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07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00200.flac
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happen you want to go to a barter system we can all make that happen but if you really want food security the part of it that is most interesting to me is making sure we keep out the
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00201.flac
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ranchers throughout the state it started eating more sugar cane well sugar cane went belly up because of economics the real and mazing thing is that this plantation stayed alive for thirty forty years longer than the plantations on the other
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00202.flac
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collective of members who protect the interests of our family farmers from any practice that contaminates commodifies are compromises their ability to farm and market their products
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00203.flac
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currently employed practices we don't support and i would say that don't work in one minute and starting with dr kaufmann what would you do to empower the whole why a department of
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00204.flac
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agriculture and the why department of hell by supporting bills that monitor pest a pot pesticide drift to protect our health and environment such as product testing soil
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00205.flac
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i want to take part of that question and say as a veterinarian i deal with chemicals all day long the wonderful thing about many of the chemicals that i deal with
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00206.flac
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the drug dealing their drugs their medicines what are you going to call these things and the words we use to describe things that can be helpful to maintaining the health of our pets there's a little dog over there if you got him on heartworm preventative it's one of the
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00207.flac
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empowered it's just making them accountable they are not working within the parameters that are already there for just the basic supports for just the basic regulations and i think what needs to happen first is to get them to
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00208.flac
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over came burning and just the absolute attitude with which many in that department and and i may say even in the apartment of ag have towards the people bringing up very valid concerns
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00209.flac
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is disgusting and so it's not about empowering them they already have a motive of power it's about holding them accountable and responsible for not using that power and for enforcing rules for us for our benefit and the benefit of
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00210.flac
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our children thank you
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00211.flac
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to make it profitable how are we going to grow any product on an economy of scale that will be profitable i don't know at this point we don't even know if there will be water in the central valley
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00212.flac
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for the next three years it wasn't thirteen years as was stated earlier for the next three years there's going to be water coming through e m i after that the supreme court will rule or maybe sometime
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00213.flac
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during the three years it'll rule where is the water going to go it is a public trust so it would be reasonable to suppose some of that would go back in the ocean for the environment some of it for people in the up
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00214.flac
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closing presents for us with this particular crop first offers us an opportunity to remediate the soil because we need to do that quickly before we can actually start growing viable food i believe that will feed ourselves
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00215.flac
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i'd i do want to support farmers that commit to growing have answer mediated purpose and indeed identifying parcels for them to do that we don't have
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00216.flac
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and they do have a history of working with that and so perhaps we can help people sense that there and have them come to us i mean it is very possible to have partnerships outside of the united states as we have in the past before
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00217.flac
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work here so you have concluding remarks about your position on agriculture and doors are a question you we wanted to be asked and you want to answer my concluding remarks i like to eat
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00218.flac
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i'm not a farmer i raise chickens for fresh eggs but i do see the benefit in just that small scale farming of sorts for myself and my family the benefits of eating something
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00219.flac
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that i know exactly where it comes from and i know what it's been fed and and it's huge it's beyond physical sustenance it connects us to our i know and so i very much support agriculture and supporting
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00220.flac
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ourselves and the people who call maui home who live here who grow here and i mean grow their families grow our food who lay their bones to rest here because it is all of us it is not those investments
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continue to support that in any way possible so thank you thank you allen your concluding remark
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00222.flac
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between us we have a total of five children under the roof and the wonderful thing about this family is that it includes blood of chinese hawaiian puerto rican
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00223.flac
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those children thank you
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00224.flac
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advance so if we would start out what do we start out with you tiger you want to just take a minute to introduce yourself to our audience at here and in our viewing public one minute
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00225.flac
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floor initiative that everybody has taken to understand what's happening on this island and that's it's a very odd thing it's a paradigm that's happening and we're just really lucky to have the opportunity i'm i'm really stand for being a local
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00226.flac
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we've done a lot of agricultural demonstration biofuel crop demonstration over the last five years i've become very immersed in how to get those kinds of things funded at the state and federal level and i got expertise in a lot of the issues that have been talked about today so i'm
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00227.flac
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really looking forward to these questions mahalo thank you so much i'm going to point out before i turn this over to mike that we have four people running on your ballot we have two of them here tonight so thank you very much for being with us here
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00228.flac
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in hawaii department of agriculture funded pilot nutrient cycling composting center on maui and what do you see and what do you see any and do you see any barriers that are currently in the way of
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00229.flac
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getting nutrients cycling under way and what can you do to help alleviate those barriers do you need me to repeat that there's a misprint here and i stumbled
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00230.flac
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county management and the importance of having a county manager that would work together with the council because the council needs to be working with the administration on these initiatives not against
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00231.flac
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composting with my grandfather since i've been three or four he always had a big bucket near the boathouse where we put the fish stuff we put all the stuff we carved up for the vegetables in the garden then he made sure that he would mix it with a little bit of grass for we cut the lawn and we put it back in
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00232.flac
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supports the concept of farmers living on the land they farm and the land they lease through an agricultural land trust what ideas would you propose in moving this direction so that it can be actualized that people can live on their
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00233.flac
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i do it the universe you know we've got three hundred students in the process we just graduated fifty and was another hundred right behind them so we don't have this big army of farmers ready to take on but we're starting to prepare myself being in the private sector in business
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00234.flac
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move in this direction and you know what what would you propose so they can really happen well thank you see and there's actually already a movement to make that happen and my friend dale boehner has been working on that he was the former head of the coastal
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00235.flac
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organic egg park do you have any idea what became a loose end do you think we should continue to pursue this concept in the next county budget session well i do think that we need to continue to proceed maybe not with that particular piece of property i
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00236.flac
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and i see this as somebody who worked for six years trying to get biofuel production tax credit passed i made it up to the fifth year got it passed didn't get it signed by the governor this year we actually got it passed and signed so it does take a lot of work to get it takes a lot
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00237.flac
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of collective work it takes a lot of people coming forward and explaining why this is so important i think it can happen i think it needs a bigger voice and i think it needs an advocate from the county council at the state legislature i have a lot of experience
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00238.flac
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t louis key in line have been used to dispose of personally filtered sewage water the county lost the lawsuit citing violations to the clean water act and faces potentially millions in fines and has spent two point two five million on
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00239.flac
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allowed for both of you you'll have one minute what will you do to initiate a citizens task force and request proposals for this for the state of the art treatment plants
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00240.flac
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for a state of the art treatment plants in
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00241.flac
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so we can in the use of injection wells that are harming the ocean environment well that's a great question because it's already happening there's already a citizens task force in istari working on this i went to a day long workshop back in may at the
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00242.flac
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areas are the worst even the line it gets all the attention because of the lawsuit but that that that is turning into a citizen citizens task force and i would support that going forward we looked at various kinds of technologies and we ascertain that that's the
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00243.flac
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bows and you each have kind of a separate question here one minute question so the farmers union is a solution based action oriented collective of members who protect the interests of our family farmers from any practice
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00244.flac
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contaminates commodifies or compromises their ability to farm and market their products so truth in advertising that's what the farmers union stands for they're actively involved in approving the effica
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00245.flac
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organic and regenerative practices for field practice and economic efficiencies and the idea is to replace currently employed practices that the union the farmers union does not support so we'll start with you this time
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00246.flac
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as well as human health b and the environment so would you initiate and support a county pilot program such as a testing for b pollen and honey to monitor pesticide drift
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00247.flac
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harm people and the environment we would you be willing to support the biological applications if yes sure why and how you would support moving in this direction if no give you a reason why i'm not i'm not in
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00248.flac
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concerns because there are several concerns about invasiveness about cross pollination and some other things like that so we need to get together and open up the discussion talk about those things as well as the benefits tiger who wants to grow the g a o is actually doing a survey right now to find out who
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00249.flac
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for you to wrap things up and you have one minute each to offer any concluding remarks about your positions on agriculture or if there's a question that you would have liked to answer but it didn't get asked you can ask
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00250.flac
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candidates sounds maoi consul c remember there are four candidates on the ballot we're only seeing two tonight so keep that in mind very good job thank you very much because
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00251.flac
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blessed tonight and thank you for staying this long into our presentation we're going to start off with a giving each of you a one minute chance to introduce yourself tell the voters a little bit about where you are and i'm going to start with mr carney at the end
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00252.flac
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here with a degree in education and eventually started being a teacher had a high school prior to doing that i got into the private sector and had some experience in that sector of trying to survive and make a living and start
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00253.flac
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current at the height i was growing probably fourteen thousand pounds in two thousand and eleven of ample bananas and so i'm like many of you put my hand into the into the thirty and
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00254.flac
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on the office that we are all trying to serve and so with that i look forward to the conversation this evening thank you
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00255.flac
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agriculture and most importantly food and it is a critical point here on this island and with interest i have in the production of food thank you
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00256.flac
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have created thousands and thousands and thousands of tons of good soil amendment class a e p a a approved for use and food and fruits and vegetables and that
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00257.flac
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was my opening act so i'm very very happy to be here among the farmers i grew up in farm country in montana you can you conclude because we're at our one minute here and that's what the red means
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00258.flac
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law joe blackbird i want to take you back in time just got promoted to the hazardous materials captain at the my fire department took an oath to protect life and environment but very lucky got sent a way to the top training in the nation
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00259.flac
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incidents the one i'm most proud of is i went to school one day and a teacher handed me a box full chemicals and she said can you take a and i said well the fire department doesn't allow us to take them and i looked at the bottles some looked like they had
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day some of the firefighters still look at me and say you should have done that because it affected your career but i did thank you
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00261.flac
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you in case we didn't explain before we have a lovely time keeper and when you see the yellow you have fifteen seconds left and the red means one minute we were there so our first questions on the workforce development you've probably heard this a few
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00262.flac
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times this evening but our farmers are aging and we all agree we need to grow a new generation of farmers and they need to be equipped with the skills to be really successful at their farming enterprises so the farmers union
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00263.flac
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has a farm apprentice mentoring program f e m and it's about to begin its third year with county funding so the question is and we're going to start with a legal this time if the farmers union would have come to the budget
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00264.flac
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finance committee at the consul asking that our fam graham be permanent line item in the budget and in order to demonstrate that the county has ongoing support for growing our next generation of farmers what is shoes would you
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00265.flac
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want to have raise before making such a decision other words what would you want to know before making such a good decision so starting with the legal one minute i really would not have the issue because you know it's it's a
07282016HFUUforum_SLASH_07-28-2016_HFUUforum_DOT_mp3_00266.flac
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demand that we have that is real right now on our side we need to invest in our future and we need to invest in our farmers and farm idjit cation so that we can have people on
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is only point four percent not even or is it less now but not even a half of a percent is invested in agriculture and in that arena of agriculture how much of that is
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thank you you need the question repeated or can you remember from when we get it basically if this came with the budget committee would you support it and would you support it being a line item every year and what would you need to know in order to make that decision
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ok i would definitely support it i'm all in favor of forth and new generation of farmers and what i would need to know is all the data that my council people my colleagues
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that so that's what i would be looking for how can we make sure that this gets through and i would need to have all the information possible in order to have an order to create a really good
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breakdown of costs what are the administrate of costs how many people are being benefited how is it going to carry on we know it's important but everybody who comes before the consul has their own story and their own ta
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amount of money and an unlimited amount of requests so basically i would sit on even help you look at how you can tailor your presentation to make it palatable to the powers that be because
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income so i think what joe said is very important you need to make sure that you have the performance of a project in this case for a fund you need to make sure that it's performing and if it is performing then you can start
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discussing holding on or if it's doing above what performance it was presented with then you can get expanded funds as far as permanent funds that's why we have other funds that got dedicated funds and that was passed
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by ordinance and so this is something that would have a potential to get a dedicated permanent fund but that again you've got to go through steps to do that i know earlier miss king from south maui as a candidate talked about how long it's for her to get
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project here was to to build a compost but i didn't do that alone i had a team of people i had tim gunter from this community standing right there with me saying yes there is a market for this stuff we need this
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i did fall down because i take the grass and i put it into my terrill as mulch and how you fall off a lot more you're going to have to ask my wife about that but i love the thought i'd like to know more about it
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initiating something within our own agricultural subdivision to do compost and spun thing that we have there were already generating i think tens of thousands of pounds of food out of that subdivision every year
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every year and i think we have the capacity to to start doing something there one of our challenges would be we have a property there that supposed to be dedicated for the park we may go to the county council and ask them to consider waiving the park instead
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you no no i'm good one of the situations we have is our recycling program has really gone downhill what we'd rather rather do is recycle from the site instead of trying to separate somewhere
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else and so the idea would be to get that food waste and i'm not sure how the process would work into the hands of the people who could use it my example edge pretty good though is the pig farmers who go around to the restaurants and pick up all the
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food waste well there's not in a pig farmers for the food we sold how we would do that i'm not sure but i would like to see a recycling program that includes food waste because that's nutrients that can go back into the soil and the land
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way of getting nutrients cycling under way and what can you do to help alleviate those barriers maybe start with dane please forgive me mike if you if you will please if you can repeat the question i
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barriers that you would see that are kind of in the way now of getting something like this under way to have a nutrient cycling center and what could you do to help kind of get those barriers out of the way
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this is for each of dane a leak and handle so each of you have one minute address the same question you got a separate question thank you state department of bags so again we're running for the
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county council so little bit difficult for us to have the jurisdictional authority over that so i want to see that first and foremost obviously it would be a good idea because it's a step in the right direction i
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think everybody in this room agrees that what we're talking about the subject matter is i think we're all raising our hand and saying yes this is good stuff that we're talking about but from the context of what can we do as council members i think that's what's important and so
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when we i think we need to start looking at sites available land if the county has existing land that they could provide to work with the state on the pilot program if it's not state land if the county can
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come up with something in partner with the state on some of these pilot projects if we see some success to it then now the county has more of a leg to stand on in supporting these things beyond a pilot project but again we need to stay within the context of
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what we have control over and authority over and so that's my response to the state department of egg question on a pilot program yes but what can we
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do i would deal with what they shared it is the funding is coming from the state department of agriculture and this is a project however my understanding i think it was targeted for something like a million dollars i think is too little
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so i think we need to be a part in a partner in this with the state moving forward thank you
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ok there is an e p a hierarchy for food waste and for food for first people the second is animal food right the third is composting and then we go to any type of energy and then we go to
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the landfill that is the hierarchy now i have been involved in recycling like for a long time guys and we have funded pig farms even just last year when i was not at
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because if you intend i'm selling that compost you have a big wad of environmental red tape to cathro it but i think red tape specialist this this is from the horse's
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so across the nation these these are becoming solutions for centralized food processing distribution it cetera et cetera our farmers union chapter see this is a great opportunity for creating farm cooperatives and we also see it
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as a way to make sure that we have enough food for this program for the department of education to buy food for our farmers so our question to get down to the question i'm not reading the whole intro i'm i'm
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funds in other words you know get some county funds the state would throw in something and there be some matching for federal funds would you make this a priority bill or appropriation that you would stand behind introduce
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farmers union are the people who want this to happen so you'd have to put together the package make it make sense and then i would push it forward from my end of the situation talked a long time ago about i always supported organic