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+all right hello everybody David Shapiro,6.96,5.099
+here with the gato framework project,9.66,4.92
+team we've got about a quarter of the,12.059,4.921
+team here and basically all we're going,14.58,5.88
+to do is just do a debrief of the Senate,16.98,6.12
+hearing that happened yesterday uh with,20.46,5.52
+Sam Altman and uh Mrs Montgomery from,23.1,6.54
+IBM as well as Gary Marcus so many of us,25.98,5.4
+watch the whole thing or most of it we,29.64,3.119
+were chatting about it in real time,31.38,4.44
+because we're those kind of nerds so uh,32.759,5.521
+with all that being said this is a to us,35.82,5.22
+it represents a very pivotal moment uh,38.28,5.7
+in terms of moving the Overton window uh,41.04,4.92
+talking about the not just the,43.98,3.899
+existential risk of AI but the social,45.96,5.939
+risk to AI uh or the the AI risk to,47.879,6.241
+society so on and so forth so anyways,51.899,4.561
+we've got a pretty robust discussion uh,54.12,3.66
+tonight it's not going to be a debate,56.46,4.14
+format but we do have uh some help with,57.78,4.02
+moderation so we're going to work,60.6,3.66
+through some some questions and uh and,61.8,4.92
+answers and so yeah that's that's where,64.26,4.2
+we're starting,66.72,5.939
+um I'll introduce my uh moderator uh uh,68.46,6.12
+our community leader Community manager,72.659,3.121
+Nathan,74.58,3.06
+um Nathan if you want to jump in and,75.78,4.339
+introduce yourself,77.64,2.479
+hey everyone got a community larger,80.36,7.0
+world uh my name is Nathan Lannon and I,83.759,5.461
+am a community manager for the gato,87.36,4.68
+projects uh right now I'm working on,89.22,4.14
+building the website with some,92.04,4.98
+passionate folks and also doing a AI,93.36,5.64
+reskilling curriculum that I hope to,97.02,4.559
+eventually put out to the public so yeah,99.0,4.02
+thrilled to be here I will be playing,101.579,3.241
+the role of helping people get on and,103.02,3.959
+off stage and making sure things go,104.82,4.439
+smoothly thank you Dave,106.979,4.861
+excellent thank you so much Nathan,109.259,4.32
+um all right so with that being said,111.84,4.08
+this is also going to be a pretty casual,113.579,4.08
+conversation,115.92,3.54
+um the only primary rule is we're going,117.659,3.841
+to try and talk one at a time,119.46,4.26
+um so with all that being said uh Nathan,121.5,4.979
+what is our first uh question to lead us,123.72,5.519
+off uh Prime that prime the pump so to,126.479,4.381
+speak,129.239,4.08
+yeah so,130.86,4.98
+yesterday as we know was the hearing,133.319,3.961
+which was,135.84,3.78
+huge for the AI Community opening up,137.28,5.039
+that Overton window crack and just to,139.62,6.479
+kind of start off on a positive note I,142.319,7.741
+think it would be nice to reflect on,146.099,5.881
+hope that that might have generated for,150.06,5.16
+us and general thoughts about how that,151.98,5.46
+might have been a good thing for us so,155.22,4.019
+anybody want to jump in on that raise a,157.44,3.92
+hand,159.239,2.121
+John why don't you hop up,161.599,6.041
+yeah absolutely so um I think one of the,164.28,7.38
+biggest takeaways from the the Senate,167.64,7.44
+hearing was how educated the Senators,171.66,7.26
+actually were about the the situation,175.08,6.9
+and the risks I think you know I think a,178.92,5.22
+lot of the the Senators said some things,181.98,5.46
+or asked some questions that that uh you,184.14,5.28
+know showed that they weren't experts in,187.44,5.76
+the field but they were they were way,189.42,5.94
+more knowledgeable about the situation,193.2,6.66
+than I think anybody really anticipated,195.36,7.2
+um it yeah we we expected the moderator,199.86,4.44
+to be you know pretty knowledgeable,202.56,3.899
+because he's worked in this field before,204.3,3.54
+and,206.459,4.261
+um advocated for,207.84,4.86
+um algorithmic,210.72,7.26
+uh bias protections and social media but,212.7,6.899
+um you know to see some of these other,217.98,4.5
+Senators that we don't hear from all the,219.599,6.481
+time actually get up and and ask,222.48,6.899
+somewhat you know somewhat Salient,226.08,6.54
+questions about the actual issue and,229.379,4.86
+show that they did know what was going,232.62,4.32
+on it leaves a lot of Hope for,234.239,6.241
+um having reasonable and intelligent,236.94,8.299
+regulation in in the future,240.48,4.759
+excellent thank you John uh Andy I saw,246.36,6.98
+you have a hand raised watch come on up,249.959,3.381
+uh just building on what John said I was,256.639,5.38
+also encouraged I I had a dismal outlook,259.799,4.68
+on what might be pretty uninformed,262.019,5.041
+hearing uh and also something that was,264.479,5.481
+heavily partisan or rooted in kind of,267.06,5.1
+dogmatic rhetoric which is the way that,269.96,3.28
+you know a lot of these kind of,272.16,3.66
+publicized hearings will go uh but it,273.24,4.019
+didn't seem to me that too many people,275.82,4.08
+showed up with an overt agenda there,277.259,4.141
+were more people in the room there to,279.9,3.6
+learn and I also thought that it was,281.4,6.42
+interesting to see and hear from uh,283.5,6.6
+Republicans who were interested in,287.82,4.68
+setting up a bureaucracy a bureaucratic,290.1,4.74
+mechanism and uh department or agency,292.5,4.259
+specifically for this some of them,294.84,3.48
+mentioned agencies someone as high as,296.759,3.541
+cabinet level,298.32,4.14
+um and Democrats questioning whether,300.3,4.02
+expanding the bureaucracy was really,302.46,4.44
+going to be a fitting choice for how to,304.32,4.68
+cope with this uh those are,306.9,4.079
+very different Tunes than we usually,309.0,3.72
+hear from the two sides who kind of,310.979,4.381
+default to being foreign against the,312.72,4.32
+opposite of that so I thought that that,315.36,4.86
+uh that represented,317.04,5.219
+it suggested to me that a lot of these,320.22,5.699
+people are concerned about this they are,322.259,6.061
+literally personally interested in,325.919,3.961
+what's going on and that they aren't,328.32,3.719
+just trying to fit it into whatever box,329.88,3.84
+They Carried into the room so I don't,332.039,4.261
+think we get that too often uh in our in,333.72,4.56
+our legislative debates and I didn't,336.3,3.36
+think that it really came across as much,338.28,2.58
+of the debate there were only a couple,339.66,3.42
+kind of contentious moments and I think,340.86,4.32
+all of that suggests that you know as,343.08,3.78
+John said previously too that we've got,345.18,3.66
+a a lot of fertile ground to work with,346.86,3.24
+in government,348.84,3.78
+and that some support and interest,350.1,5.159
+really may come from uh,352.62,4.44
+angles and actors that you may not have,355.259,3.241
+expected to be interested at all or,357.06,3.9
+might have expected to be opposition to,358.5,4.199
+whatever you're trying to do,360.96,3.84
+so yeah I think the the hearing was,362.699,5.301
+pretty encouraging overall,364.8,3.2
+totally Andy so like hearing we saw you,368.34,6.12
+know bipartisan hand holding yesterday,372.12,4.62
+in alignment on you know a super,374.46,4.86
+important topic and just that was,376.74,4.32
+incredibly heartening to see I agree,379.32,3.24
+that was one thing I was going to speed,381.06,5.359
+up on as well uh Dave please go ahead,382.56,6.9
+yeah so first I'll I'll Echo uh the,386.419,4.78
+sentiments of of what everyone else has,389.46,3.6
+already said,391.199,6.12
+um but uh what I'll also add is uh and,393.06,6.54
+as I mentioned in the introduction,397.319,4.5
+um moving the Overton window I think is,399.6,4.74
+is going to be kind of the biggest thing,401.819,5.341
+and I was so excited that that Senators,404.34,4.28
+you know,407.16,3.96
+particularly in America,408.62,5.38
+um even some of the older gentlemen and,411.12,6.54
+gentle women uh were asking very pointed,414.0,7.08
+questions uh not just on the topics of,417.66,5.58
+like oh hey comparing it to social media,421.08,3.3
+which they did compare it to social,423.24,2.64
+media a lot because that's the only,424.38,3.319
+frame of reference that we've got,425.88,4.62
+basically uh for disruptive Technologies,427.699,5.801
+at least in in recent history uh but,430.5,5.1
+they they also said like you know what,433.5,4.08
+are the existential risks,435.6,3.659
+um and I'm I'm glad that they had a,437.58,4.32
+witness okay you know because more often,439.259,5.401
+than not these these uh Congress uh,441.9,5.579
+Congressional hearings they have uh just,444.66,4.68
+corporate insiders right everyone Pro,447.479,4.021
+well I don't know everyone does but big,449.34,4.38
+tobacco right where it was just like a,451.5,4.74
+panel of like eight uh like tobacco,453.72,4.62
+execs and they're like is this addictive,456.24,4.14
+and the tobacco exec's all unanimously,458.34,3.24
+said no it's not addictive and,460.38,3.0
+everyone's like well this is completely,461.58,5.22
+pointless right but here they had two um,463.38,5.879
+they had two tech industry uh insiders,466.8,6.6
+and then Gary Marcus who is uh he's he's,469.259,7.261
+not a tech Insider he's a researcher,473.4,4.68
+um so they had that to counterbalance it,476.52,3.54
+which I think gave the whole hearing a,478.08,3.959
+lot more credibility,480.06,5.4
+um in terms of just reach and validity,482.039,7.021
+but last point that I'm make is that I,485.46,7.32
+was also impressed by uh by both Sam,489.06,6.96
+Altman and Miss Montgomery's uh who,492.78,5.58
+represented IBM their desire and,496.02,5.28
+willingness to have regulations and to,498.36,4.679
+and to speak up,501.3,2.94
+um which that was a little bit,503.039,3.66
+unexpected and of course we can we can,504.24,5.82
+unpack some of the nuances later uh but,506.699,5.881
+yeah so that's that's about it for me,510.06,3.659
+day,512.58,4.5
+thanks Dave and Ben I'd like to invite,513.719,5.601
+you up,517.08,2.24
+thanks Nathan just quickly my name is,519.659,4.981
+Ben I'm a CTO and a tech diligence,521.94,5.82
+advisor for on AI uh I'm helping with,524.64,5.879
+some of the gato framework rating,527.76,5.579
+the thing I really enjoyed besides the,530.519,4.861
+thing I already mentioned about this,533.339,4.141
+hearing was how incredibly practical it,535.38,4.8
+was so like Senators asked for a very,537.48,5.039
+specific ideas on how to do oversight,540.18,4.56
+and and really drove home like not just,542.519,4.26
+high level Concepts but very practical,544.74,4.38
+ideas on how to do it,546.779,4.021
+um they did things like highlight the,549.12,4.38
+need for Better Business models around,550.8,5.159
+news organizations or other other,553.5,4.68
+monetization sources so just the level,555.959,3.961
+of practicality that they started with,558.18,5.0
+was really heartening for me,559.92,3.26
+excellent so,564.42,4.979
+I'm hearing you know all around we heard,566.399,6.301
+uh many things that we liked,569.399,5.94
+now I'm curious before we dive into,572.7,6.18
+things that we liked less uh is there,575.339,5.701
+any things that we wish we had heard but,578.88,4.5
+we didn't hear them say,581.04,3.84
+um Richard I know you had a hand up,583.38,3.48
+before I asked this question so you,584.88,3.18
+don't feel free to respond to the prior,586.86,4.14
+but then let's kick over to like what,588.06,5.219
+could have been said but wasn't the,591.0,4.94
+unsaid things,593.279,2.661
+uh yeah hi I'm Richard I'm basically,597.26,5.259
+just sort of a dude who hangs out in a,600.6,3.54
+workshop building weird,602.519,5.281
+um but uh in terms of just the the last,604.14,5.46
+point was just uh I wanted to also touch,607.8,2.76
+on the fact that it was just really,609.6,3.679
+surreal to see like heads of like,610.56,5.76
+massive corporations that could if they,613.279,5.441
+wanted to wield this as a weapon against,616.32,5.28
+society and control a huge swath of,618.72,4.38
+people,621.6,3.78
+um go to the government and specifically,623.1,4.56
+ask them to regulate themselves like,625.38,4.5
+that never happens I've never seen,627.66,3.9
+anything like that before so,629.88,3.3
+um it was very surreal to watch and also,631.56,2.339
+just the fact that they were talking,633.18,2.7
+about AI in Congress was just like what,633.899,4.201
+what what leg of the trousers of time,635.88,3.84
+have I gone down,638.1,4.16
+um but yeah,639.72,2.54
+excellent all right yeah absolutely,645.839,5.701
+um so I was learning would anybody have,649.079,4.921
+any other thoughts on um things they,651.54,5.22
+liked before we move over to uh things,654.0,5.7
+that we wish we had heard more of uh,656.76,5.48
+John I see you have a hand up,659.7,5.699
+yeah so um one of the things that I,662.24,5.74
+think is really going to need a lot of,665.399,5.281
+discussion and will probably come up in,667.98,4.5
+a later hearing but I'd like to have,670.68,6.18
+heard more about it was the the economic,672.48,7.38
+impacts that these these things are,676.86,6.659
+going to have because the economy is an,679.86,6.78
+existential existential threat maybe not,683.519,6.181
+like Extinction of humanity level but it,686.64,4.02
+is,689.7,4.74
+um probably one of the the first impacts,690.66,5.64
+that uh negative impacts that we're,694.44,4.44
+going to see from Ai and I don't think,696.3,5.64
+that and it may be positive too but I,698.88,4.88
+don't think that you know everybody,701.94,4.92
+wants to you know ask to worry about,703.76,6.699
+jobs but I don't think that jobs is the,706.86,5.46
+only impact it's going to have on the,710.459,4.32
+economy it's going to shift the way that,712.32,6.12
+money moves in a global fashion and it,714.779,6.421
+is going to have Global impacts not just,718.44,7.88
+on jobs on all industry as well,721.2,5.12
+absolutely yeah we're gearing up to see,728.7,7.56
+major societal shifts and they were a,731.899,7.0
+little light-handed with uh raising,736.26,4.8
+awareness of some of those things and so,738.899,5.481
+I see you having it up there,741.06,3.32
+yeah well I I wanted to touch on the,744.54,6.9
+things that uh weren't mentioned but I,748.5,5.16
+think data basically covered it I wanted,751.44,3.899
+to touch on the fact that they said that,753.66,4.2
+this was going to create new jobs I'm,755.339,4.981
+like sure it'll create new jobs but it's,757.86,4.919
+not going to be anywhere near enough of,760.32,4.38
+the jobs that it's going to displace and,762.779,3.661
+especially it's not going to create new,764.7,4.439
+ones in that much of a short time we're,766.44,5.519
+we're we're seeing huge disruptions in,769.139,5.041
+the next five years and that's being,771.959,5.94
+incredibly optimistic and that's not a,774.18,6.779
+um uh a nif that is that is guaranteed,777.899,6.06
+the real question is what are the,780.959,4.68
+fundamental shifts that are going to,783.959,2.82
+happen and how are we going to address,785.639,3.721
+them because Congress is still thinking,786.779,5.761
+in in the old model right where where,789.36,6.659
+you still need humans working eight,792.54,6.419
+hours a day four uh five hours sorry,796.019,5.341
+five days a week and just just just,798.959,5.401
+grind right AI is gonna automate a lot,801.36,6.599
+of that grind and we're not gonna find,804.36,5.64
+enough uh,807.959,5.041
+what's the word uh busy work,810.0,5.579
+to keep ourselves busy right we should,813.0,5.899
+we should focus on more on on liberating,815.579,6.421
+uh that time for humans to do better,818.899,4.421
+things right,822.0,4.88
+and well that's basically it,823.32,3.56
+they cancel,827.88,2.22
+um,829.44,1.92
+Dave why don't you pick up the,830.1,3.56
+conversation,831.36,2.3
+sure sure yeah I think uh and then I'll,834.36,5.099
+wait back to Ben yeah sorry I gotcha no,836.7,3.84
+worries,839.459,4.201
+um but yeah so for me certainly agree,840.54,6.539
+that uh the economy Ubi that sort of,843.66,5.04
+stuff the displacement they touched on,847.079,3.361
+displacement but then kind of glossed,848.7,3.18
+over it,850.44,3.959
+um maybe maybe they had had a out of,851.88,4.98
+band you know conversation like let's,854.399,4.56
+save this for another thing I don't know,856.86,4.8
+but one thing that that was addressed I,858.959,4.44
+think Gary addressed this when he talked,861.66,4.679
+about Auto GPT and Chaos GPT,863.399,5.761
+um was and that and that nobody uh else,866.339,4.141
+addressed,869.16,3.239
+um at least none of the witnesses was,870.48,4.5
+autonomous AI right,872.399,5.641
+um both Montgomery and Altman uh,874.98,5.099
+fervently said this is just a tool this,878.04,3.84
+is not a creature don't anthropomorphize,880.079,4.5
+it and it's like yeah but then when Gary,881.88,5.16
+said hey like people are making this,884.579,4.801
+stuff semi-autonomous today it doesn't,887.04,4.68
+matter how ineffective it is,889.38,4.92
+um or if it has flaws it's today,891.72,4.2
+right,894.3,3.839
+um yeah and someone in chat just,895.92,4.38
+mentioned that um that yeah chat gbt,898.139,5.341
+they released plugins right uh pretty,900.3,4.5
+quickly,903.48,2.76
+um and then one thing that I did notice,904.8,3.18
+and this was just speculation on my,906.24,4.14
+point outside of that was that uh as,907.98,4.38
+soon as people started creating like,910.38,4.98
+chaos GPT they slow rolled uh rolling,912.36,5.339
+out plugins to more people,915.36,4.979
+um so maybe maybe open AI tapped the,917.699,5.94
+brakes uh in response to chaos GPT,920.339,5.881
+um but you know I I obviously don't have,923.639,4.081
+an inside line that's just speculation,926.22,3.0
+on my point but I would have done that,927.72,4.559
+if I saw someone use chat gbt to create,929.22,7.14
+ksgpt but yeah so autonomous AI was a,932.279,6.68
+huge thing missing Gary tried to push it,936.36,6.0
+several Senators did ask like hey uh,938.959,4.961
+what was it uh I think it was Lindsey,942.36,3.719
+Graham near the end he's like can you,943.92,5.219
+use this to give a drone the ability to,946.079,5.341
+autonomously Target someone and then go,949.139,4.921
+kill them and of course Sam tried to you,951.42,5.94
+know use the corporate sanitized speak,954.06,5.1
+and then Lindsey Graham to his credit,957.36,5.159
+said that's a yes or no question and and,959.16,6.239
+Sam's like yeah it is possible right so,962.519,4.801
+he he did admit that which was which was,965.399,4.981
+Brave but you know the thing is is like,967.32,4.98
+um when I first got access to chat GPT,970.38,4.199
+to the API I went in and showed that you,972.3,3.539
+can just give it instructions like,974.579,3.0
+you're controlling a drone right and,975.839,3.06
+it's like sure I'm controlling a drone,977.579,3.721
+now right it doesn't care,978.899,4.62
+um so yeah the autonomous AI was the,981.3,4.26
+biggest thing missing in in my eyes and,983.519,4.981
+I seed the floor,985.56,5.88
+Ben please pick it up,988.5,5.279
+sounds great I just wanted to start by,991.44,4.199
+saying I'd love to talk through the jobs,993.779,4.141
+thing I think saying it's guaranteed,995.639,3.961
+that we're going to lose so many jobs is,997.92,3.719
+a pretty aggressive way to go and I I,999.6,4.2
+think it's worth debating a bit,1001.639,4.741
+um I certainly think differently in,1003.8,5.459
+terms of what was missed for me honestly,1006.38,5.579
+how bad things already were before AI,1009.259,4.921
+was released so like misinformation has,1011.959,4.5
+been a problem forever we have all sorts,1014.18,4.44
+of societal problems around,1016.459,5.761
+global warming energy crisis things like,1018.62,5.939
+this and just the opportunities to,1022.22,5.52
+leverage AI yeah it's gonna make some,1024.559,5.4
+things worse for sure but it is also an,1027.74,4.38
+opportunity to solve help solve some,1029.959,3.661
+things that were already problems and we,1032.12,3.78
+were already struggling with,1033.62,4.62
+um I I would love to see people talk a,1035.9,3.72
+little bit more about those,1038.24,3.98
+opportunities,1039.62,2.6
+thank you Ben uh very Sierra,1044.12,4.339
+one of the things I think was missing,1048.86,5.46
+from it was the competitive angle which,1050.96,5.64
+says that yeah that's great America is,1054.32,4.08
+not the only world the place in the,1056.6,3.42
+world that's trying to develop an AI,1058.4,4.139
+right and the reality is that if you tap,1060.02,3.899
+the brakes too much then what you'll do,1062.539,2.701
+is lose the lead,1063.919,3.961
+and losing the lead to a country that,1065.24,6.02
+has less than Stellar moral boundaries,1067.88,6.419
+might in fact be counterproductive to to,1071.26,5.08
+what's going on so a lot of this stuff,1074.299,4.021
+is very interesting but the comment I,1076.34,3.0
+would make is the horse has already,1078.32,3.18
+bolted and unless,1079.34,4.74
+um we keep up with it and keep ahead of,1081.5,3.72
+it then,1084.08,4.099
+um the outcome could be even worse than,1085.22,6.98
+displacement from losing a few jobs,1088.179,4.021
+I hear you but it sounds like uh you're,1092.9,5.04
+referring to the mall of dynamics that,1096.14,4.26
+are very much at play right now we could,1097.94,6.06
+easily end up in a race to the bottom uh,1100.4,6.3
+John why don't you go ahead yeah I,1104.0,4.74
+wanted to come back to,1106.7,8.16
+um uh Mr Marcus's comment about uh,1108.74,11.4
+about uh Auto GPT what what he said was,1114.86,8.22
+was that because,1120.14,6.38
+because open AI released the plugins,1123.08,7.14
+that enabled Auto GPT and that was,1126.52,7.3
+actually never the case so Auto GPT and,1130.22,7.74
+Chaos GPT both pre-date the plug-in,1133.82,7.56
+release and they both directly leverage,1137.96,6.3
+only the GPT API,1141.38,5.12
+so you know it's a little bit,1144.26,5.82
+disconcerting to to see somebody who who,1146.5,6.82
+is you know supposed to be a a,1150.08,5.94
+researcher in this get something like,1153.32,5.099
+that so egregiously wrong and I'm really,1156.02,4.5
+surprised that Sam didn't didn't call,1158.419,6.061
+him out for that when he uh when he had,1160.52,9.0
+just called Sam out for you know not not,1164.48,9.24
+saying what actually scared him about AI,1169.52,6.659
+yeah we're talking about you know some,1173.72,6.24
+of the the kind of darker side of what,1176.179,5.88
+might happen with AI,1179.96,4.98
+and you know bad research and bad,1182.059,6.24
+information to that that's used to,1184.94,5.4
+persuade governments to create,1188.299,5.161
+regulations is another kind of,1190.34,6.56
+misinformation concern,1193.46,3.44
+absolutely thank you John uh Richard go,1198.88,4.62
+ahead,1201.38,2.12
+excuse me uh yeah the biggest thing uh,1205.58,6.02
+like I think that that the they were,1209.48,4.86
+more talk like he was,1211.6,4.24
+it was more like in reference to the,1214.34,2.82
+fact that like,1215.84,2.04
+um,1217.16,2.82
+the plugins would give the opportunity,1217.88,4.62
+for people to build more things like,1219.98,4.38
+um chaos GPT and stuff,1222.5,2.82
+um,1224.36,2.52
+in like because if you give them the,1225.32,3.3
+tools to be able to just like plug them,1226.88,3.299
+together like Lego then it's way easier,1228.62,3.059
+than like a developer who actually went,1230.179,4.921
+in and built the API backend for that,1231.679,6.301
+um which is I mean like the thing is,1235.1,4.86
+just humans are going to be humans is it,1237.98,4.14
+the one like humans are amazing and,1239.96,4.44
+beautiful and do incredible things but,1242.12,3.72
+at the same time we're terrible and,1244.4,4.08
+awful and do horrible things,1245.84,5.459
+um so we have to sort of like have the,1248.48,4.98
+contingency plan to make sure that that,1251.299,3.24
+um,1253.46,3.3
+that that is uh like something that we,1254.539,4.081
+can manage because like malaligned AI is,1256.76,2.94
+going to happen because these things are,1258.62,4.919
+like infinitely manipulatable like they,1259.7,5.219
+all work off of natural language and,1263.539,3.541
+like you can talk to them like if you're,1264.919,3.961
+just nice to it you'll find you get,1267.08,3.24
+better results just being polite so,1268.88,2.4
+thank you,1270.32,2.16
+um talking to it a little bit in between,1271.28,2.94
+prompts and stuff,1272.48,4.02
+um you get way better results and then,1274.22,5.339
+like if if you know how to talk to them,1276.5,4.679
+correctly you can get them to reveal all,1279.559,2.521
+kinds of stuff that they're not supposed,1281.179,3.261
+to so,1282.08,2.36
+absolutely yeah and the uh,1286.46,4.74
+the Senators to their credit were,1289.46,4.199
+definitely well rehearsed you know they,1291.2,5.339
+had heard language around Jailbreak jail,1293.659,5.101
+breaking and stuff like that heartening,1296.539,4.14
+to see them using the language of our,1298.76,4.26
+inner alignment communities,1300.679,3.12
+um,1303.02,2.06
+so,1303.799,4.321
+with that aside uh Ansel at least of,1305.08,4.42
+them,1308.12,3.299
+all right I wanted to touch on the,1309.5,5.4
+comment that John said about it being in,1311.419,6.481
+the API not a plug-in I agree trust me I,1314.9,3.96
+agree,1317.9,3.42
+um the thing is we're in the in the in,1318.86,4.199
+the industry right we're we're in the,1321.32,4.26
+know we know what an API is and we know,1323.059,4.021
+what a plug-in is we know the difference,1325.58,4.74
+right most people won't,1327.08,5.52
+and especially for old people in,1330.32,4.14
+Congress you tell them an API and,1332.6,4.26
+they're like what is an API so when when,1334.46,3.959
+they say a plug-in it basically,1336.86,3.36
+functions the same way it's it's a way,1338.419,4.201
+to connect to the model right regardless,1340.22,3.839
+of if it's gone through an API or a,1342.62,2.52
+plug-in you're connecting to the model,1344.059,3.12
+so that's what Congress needed to know,1345.14,6.06
+right so I think that's not really,1347.179,6.541
+that important that he didn't make that,1351.2,4.859
+distinction between oh plug in API,1353.72,4.02
+because at the end of the day it's just,1356.059,4.461
+connecting to the model,1357.74,2.78
+absolutely thank you Ansel and uh Ben,1362.299,5.461
+I'll hand it to you and then take it,1366.14,3.24
+back to raise a new question to everyone,1367.76,4.02
+so go ahead,1369.38,4.38
+sounds good the last thing I wanted to,1371.78,4.5
+mention is while it was great to hear,1373.76,5.46
+them mention Auto GPT there there wasn't,1376.28,5.16
+a lot of talk about open source there's,1379.22,4.56
+been a lot of AI news about how open,1381.44,4.38
+source may push the envelope of what's,1383.78,4.56
+uh capable and regulating open source,1385.82,3.96
+versus companies may be very different,1388.34,3.66
+so at some point I'd love to see them,1389.78,4.08
+jump into the role of Open Source and,1392.0,4.76
+how to regulate that,1393.86,2.9
+thank you Ben and uh thank you everybody,1398.179,4.561
+for kind of raising to the surface some,1400.1,4.199
+of the things that we would have liked,1402.74,4.74
+to hear but we did not hear from the,1404.299,6.0
+debate and are not debate but hearing,1407.48,5.699
+and a positive thing there will be more,1410.299,5.161
+of these so if you are listening perhaps,1413.179,3.601
+these are things you bring to the table,1415.46,3.42
+for the next round,1416.78,5.519
+um now I'd like to discuss uh,1418.88,5.7
+what are some of the things about the,1422.299,5.581
+hearing that we found disappointing,1424.58,5.88
+um things that we did not like so much,1427.88,5.22
+um so got the community the floor is,1430.46,4.94
+yours,1433.1,2.3
+Ansel,1440.539,4.681
+well I'll start the thing I didn't like,1442.64,5.82
+was they tried to focus more on creating,1445.22,6.72
+a national agency instead of an,1448.46,6.3
+international one when this technology,1451.94,5.4
+is being used around the entire planet I,1454.76,4.08
+think that doing this in an,1457.34,4.44
+international level is is crucial,1458.84,4.44
+right so that's one thing that I was,1461.78,3.12
+disappointed like they they just,1463.28,3.54
+mentioned it yes and they're like no no,1464.9,3.3
+it's if we're going to do let's go,1466.82,3.06
+National blah blah you know that's,1468.2,5.18
+that's one thing I didn't like,1469.88,3.5
+totally Ansel speaking here to one of,1473.9,6.24
+the traditions of gato we like to,1476.179,6.961
+act local but think Global so these,1480.14,5.7
+issues affect all of us,1483.14,5.96
+um Andy the floor is yours,1485.84,3.26
+um one of the things I didn't like is,1491.12,3.179
+that uh,1492.5,4.08
+Sam Altman for reasons I think I,1494.299,4.021
+probably understand but don't,1496.58,4.56
+necessarily appreciate uh dodged a few,1498.32,4.56
+questions we've mentioned it earlier,1501.14,4.08
+they asked him to talk about his biggest,1502.88,4.799
+fears and concerns,1505.22,3.06
+um,1507.679,2.641
+Sam has been very candid in public,1508.28,4.44
+before about this with MIT presentations,1510.32,4.68
+on the Lex Friedman podcast he's been,1512.72,4.02
+one of the more forthcoming voices out,1515.0,3.36
+there in the field as somebody who,1516.74,3.48
+readily also says when he talks there's,1518.36,4.319
+only so much I can tell you,1520.22,3.66
+um and I thought that that was a little,1522.679,2.341
+bit disappointing I thought he could,1523.88,2.7
+have given a little bit more pointed,1525.02,4.74
+answers I also was disappointed,1526.58,5.099
+um that they dodged,1529.76,4.38
+the jobs question when the you know the,1531.679,4.561
+tech industry has just undergone a wave,1534.14,4.44
+of layoffs that were largely attributed,1536.24,4.26
+to other Market forces but are now,1538.58,3.78
+undergoing yet another wave of layoffs,1540.5,3.6
+that most companies are flat out saying,1542.36,3.6
+we're automating these jobs,1544.1,3.84
+and that means those jobs aren't coming,1545.96,4.74
+back uh I don't necessarily disagree,1547.94,4.56
+with Ben I think there's a more complex,1550.7,3.9
+conversation to have around that,1552.5,3.48
+um I think there will be some job,1554.6,3.36
+creation but I don't disagree with Ansel,1555.98,3.9
+and John either I think the amount of,1557.96,4.079
+offset is going to be very difficult,1559.88,3.6
+partially because one of the things,1562.039,3.541
+these systems do so well is Empower one,1563.48,5.46
+person to work as multiple people so Sam,1565.58,5.28
+Altman made very,1568.94,5.339
+tentative mention that he believed,1570.86,6.299
+eventually there would be systems that,1574.279,5.88
+could replace jobs at a large scale but,1577.159,4.921
+we know that within the last six months,1580.159,3.601
+his company has published a paper that,1582.08,3.479
+suggests when combined with additional,1583.76,4.38
+programming or robotics they think that,1585.559,5.161
+they could do about 55 percent of jobs,1588.14,4.62
+period now,1590.72,3.54
+now there's a lot of criticisms with,1592.76,2.82
+that paper and some of them are probably,1594.26,3.48
+pretty valid there are probably a lot of,1595.58,3.42
+things that wouldn't do very well and,1597.74,2.46
+there are a lot of people who don't want,1599.0,2.94
+to talk to a machine so there's demand,1600.2,4.979
+for human labor still but I I thought uh,1601.94,5.4
+you know also that the economic argument,1605.179,5.161
+was undersold and I thought part of what,1607.34,5.52
+Sam Altman dodged was,1610.34,5.04
+this segue into that conversation,1612.86,5.22
+um I'm not sure that dropping even the,1615.38,4.86
+three letters Ubi in the middle of that,1618.08,3.839
+hearing would have done anything but so,1620.24,3.059
+Discord,1621.919,3.181
+but we all know that that's what Sam,1623.299,4.021
+Altman really wants to do he said it,1625.1,4.02
+specifically on Lex Friedman's companies,1627.32,3.359
+funding this report that's coming out at,1629.12,4.08
+the end of the summer and uh you know,1630.679,3.961
+he's been very candid about it before,1633.2,3.3
+and at the same time when you have,1634.64,3.24
+someone like Josh Hawley sitting there,1636.5,2.94
+asking relevant questions maybe you,1637.88,3.179
+don't want to talk about socialism and I,1639.44,4.02
+think that that's a fair line to draw,1641.059,3.841
+for yourself when you're trying to,1643.46,3.54
+remain you know,1644.9,4.379
+float and in my opinion ahead of a,1647.0,4.26
+pretty productive conversation but that,1649.279,3.841
+doesn't mean I liked it and I I'd be,1651.26,5.1
+inclined to uh agree with Seneca that,1653.12,4.679
+um that you know the conversation was,1656.36,3.12
+right there it's been going on in other,1657.799,3.661
+circles in Congress it was an elephant,1659.48,4.92
+in the room in my opinion,1661.46,6.0
+absolutely so it sounds like we heard a,1664.4,5.639
+lot of broad Strokes where we would have,1667.46,5.339
+appreciated a more nuanced brush and,1670.039,4.801
+also have some empathy where like this,1672.799,4.021
+is the first time we're bringing AI to,1674.84,5.16
+the table in a very public way and like,1676.82,5.28
+Ubi the big old can of worms that maybe,1680.0,3.6
+we don't open up at this particular,1682.1,2.819
+meeting,1683.6,3.42
+um so yeah it's uh,1684.919,3.661
+room for more conversation for the,1687.02,4.22
+future ones Dave back to you,1688.58,5.4
+yeah um thanks and and certainly there,1691.24,5.62
+is a lot of nuance uh and debate uh to,1693.98,5.1
+be had around economic impact and and,1696.86,4.08
+our response,1699.08,3.66
+um but the thing that I was honestly,1700.94,3.54
+most disappointed about that was almost,1702.74,4.08
+it was kind of shocking,1704.48,6.059
+um was when uh later later in it uh when,1706.82,6.359
+Senator Kennedy said you know if you,1710.539,5.101
+were king or queen for a day and you,1713.179,4.261
+could fix this problem what do you got,1715.64,5.279
+and it was just like Sam Montgomery like,1717.44,4.739
+everyone just froze up and it was,1720.919,3.601
+crickets and he's like come on now shoot,1722.179,3.781
+your shot you know like I think it's,1724.52,3.6
+from Kentucky or something so if you,1725.96,4.199
+know Appalachian you know like shoot,1728.12,5.46
+your shot like and and nobody had an,1730.159,5.161
+immediate answer Gary Marcus had the,1733.58,3.9
+best response where he's like you know,1735.32,4.5
+we need something like FDA you know and,1737.48,3.78
+Gary had he had three things but the,1739.82,2.459
+first thing he said is like we need,1741.26,3.779
+something like the FDA but for AI and,1742.279,4.621
+Kennedy's like all right there we go you,1745.039,3.781
+know there that's a suggestion because,1746.9,3.72
+when he when he you know called on,1748.82,3.78
+Montgomery she just kind of gave the,1750.62,4.559
+sanitized whitewash corporate you know,1752.6,5.4
+equivocation and I don't even remember,1755.179,6.961
+if Sam said much at that question but he,1758.0,5.94
+again he he tried he tried kind of,1762.14,3.899
+dodged and maybe you know maybe there's,1763.94,3.959
+there's a political reason for that like,1766.039,3.0
+because if he's out there making,1767.899,3.66
+recommendations sure which again I'm,1769.039,4.5
+glad that they had Gary on there,1771.559,3.661
+um and earlier in the thing Gary did,1773.539,5.101
+call for creating a CERN uh for AI and,1775.22,6.3
+for those who don't know CERN c-ern is,1778.64,4.919
+um International cooperation for high,1781.52,4.019
+energy physics particle Smashers that,1783.559,3.301
+sort of thing,1785.539,2.821
+um and and that that's actually one of,1786.86,3.12
+the things that that we are going to,1788.36,3.6
+advocate for in gato,1789.98,3.9
+um is is one of the primary things that,1791.96,4.079
+the International Community can do so I,1793.88,5.1
+was glad for that but nobody even could,1796.039,5.64
+point to a comprehensive answer it,1798.98,4.559
+wasn't like oh you know like sign the,1801.679,5.161
+Geneva accords right like in the past we,1803.539,4.981
+have come up with very comprehensive,1806.84,4.98
+packages to respond to Global crises,1808.52,4.62
+right,1811.82,4.079
+um in the wake of World War II uh,1813.14,4.919
+nuclear crisis there's been all kinds of,1815.899,4.441
+very comprehensive Frameworks proposed,1818.059,4.681
+but nobody has proposed a comprehensive,1820.34,3.6
+framework which is part of the reason,1822.74,3.6
+that a bunch of us like a bunch of,1823.94,4.2
+civilians are working on the gato,1826.34,3.36
+framework and so,1828.14,3.659
+on the one hand I wasn't surprised,1829.7,3.959
+because that's why I'm doing what I'm,1831.799,4.321
+doing but it was still a drastic,1833.659,4.74
+disappointment because if there was a a,1836.12,6.299
+stage to bring up to for someone to,1838.399,6.66
+stand up and say we need to do this we,1842.419,4.98
+need to go full bore here's a,1845.059,3.84
+comprehensive framework it would have,1847.399,3.301
+been this hearing unless they're working,1848.899,4.681
+up to it maybe but I don't know nobody,1850.7,4.56
+nobody even alluded to something like,1853.58,3.3
+that so that was,1855.26,4.5
+um on the one hand it was not surprising,1856.88,4.32
+it was disappointing but it was also,1859.76,5.1
+scary because if a bunch of us uh you,1861.2,4.32
+know,1864.86,2.64
+political Outsiders have to come up with,1865.52,4.5
+an answer then that's you know maybe,1867.5,4.26
+there are no adults in the room and we,1870.02,3.3
+have to step up which again that's one,1871.76,3.419
+of the Traditions Step Up,1873.32,6.02
+um so uh that's that's that's my spiel,1875.179,4.161
+thank you Dave and yeah you absolutely,1880.1,4.799
+raise a point that I'd like us to kind,1881.96,4.56
+of a threat I want us to pull on a bit,1884.899,3.481
+more which is,1886.52,3.659
+the opportunity to be kings and queens,1888.38,3.419
+for a day,1890.179,3.961
+how do you handle the situation and I,1891.799,4.801
+think gato has some very interesting,1894.14,4.98
+ideas about how the work that we're,1896.6,4.98
+proposing right now could fill some of,1899.12,5.279
+those gaps that we've heard or rather,1901.58,4.44
+did not hear,1904.399,3.361
+um first I'd like a call on John and,1906.02,3.42
+then Bruce and then perhaps we can loop,1907.76,4.68
+back around to uh where God was filling,1909.44,4.92
+in the blanks that the politicians have,1912.44,4.459
+left for us,1914.36,2.539
+yeah,1917.08,3.52
+um first off Dave we're gonna have to,1918.74,4.439
+work on that southern accent sir,1920.6,5.579
+um we're gonna need to open a licensing,1923.179,5.36
+board for southern accent manipulation,1926.179,5.581
+uh because we don't want to uh influence,1928.539,7.12
+political uh ideologies outside of the,1931.76,4.74
+South,1935.659,2.701
+um,1936.5,4.14
+I did and I hate to do this to you,1938.36,4.559
+Nathan but I did want to answer a,1940.64,5.279
+question or the the previous question uh,1942.919,3.961
+first,1945.919,5.181
+um there was something that that came up,1946.88,10.919
+in the um the in the the course of the,1951.1,8.799
+the the hearing that,1957.799,5.581
+I I did want to touch on and they kept,1959.899,6.061
+using the word transparency,1963.38,6.06
+and you know most of the time they they,1965.96,6.9
+were talking about transparency in the,1969.44,9.54
+development and prior to deployment but,1972.86,9.26
+um one of the things that uh Montgomery,1978.98,7.28
+really was actually pushing for in there,1982.12,7.62
+was post deployment,1986.26,7.419
+monitoring and transparency and they,1989.74,6.88
+even suggested being able to trace back,1993.679,6.661
+AI generated output to the algorithm,1996.62,6.96
+that it was created in and that creates,2000.34,4.64
+a serious,2003.58,4.199
+significant privacy and surveillance,2004.98,3.819
+concern,2007.779,5.52
+and if you combine the ability to know,2008.799,7.021
+everything that everybody is using these,2013.299,5.461
+systems for which will likely get,2015.82,6.3
+embedded into every aspect of our daily,2018.76,7.86
+lives with the ability to manipulate or,2022.12,7.939
+control or reduce,2026.62,6.539
+the the information that their aid,2030.059,6.881
+trained on and B output you're creating,2033.159,7.681
+the same situation that the potential,2036.94,6.719
+for for the same situation that they,2040.84,5.579
+have in North Korea where you're not,2043.659,6.841
+allowed to to talk negatively about the,2046.419,7.341
+the powers that be any kind of dissent,2050.5,8.22
+can be seen as a,2053.76,8.68
+um you know as as tyranny and,2058.72,5.939
+um there's been a lot of rhetoric like,2062.44,6.899
+that from the Democrats uh since the,2064.659,7.561
+November 6th uh,2069.339,4.921
+you know attempt to overthrow the,2072.22,4.619
+government now I'm not saying that I,2074.26,4.859
+agree with those individuals but what I,2076.839,4.26
+am saying is is that you know,2079.119,3.961
+overthrowing the government was always,2081.099,4.381
+an option and,2083.08,5.339
+um you know when uh you know tyranny was,2085.48,5.22
+one of the reasons why this country was,2088.419,4.081
+founded in the first place was to fight,2090.7,4.74
+during so I don't want to see us end up,2092.5,6.359
+in a situation that allows for a,2095.44,5.399
+tyrannical government to take full,2098.859,4.98
+control over the minds and hearts of the,2100.839,5.241
+population,2103.839,2.241
+appreciate your thoughts John thank you,2107.44,3.96
+very much uh Andy would like to hand it,2109.18,3.419
+back to her with you,2111.4,2.699
+uh yeah I just wanted to give a,2112.599,2.941
+different perspective from John on,2114.099,4.5
+Montgomery's uh comments uh but well,2115.54,4.68
+still totally appreciating what he says,2118.599,3.601
+because I I too and you just made the,2120.22,3.48
+comment in the chat here that you know I,2122.2,2.879
+know in North Korea of course if you're,2123.7,3.12
+heard by the wrong person smearing the,2125.079,3.901
+Kim family you'll just go away,2126.82,3.72
+um and it's uh it's not somewhere you,2128.98,2.879
+want to be it's the one of the worst,2130.54,3.18
+possible North Korea is one of the,2131.859,3.301
+places on Earth you can probably point,2133.72,4.56
+to and say that's a dystopia right,2135.16,4.74
+um and that would be really unfortunate,2138.28,4.26
+I felt that and I think I remember uh,2139.9,4.26
+where we were John you'll have to remind,2142.54,2.94
+me if I'm thinking of the wrong place,2144.16,4.439
+but this was during John Kennedy's uh,2145.48,5.04
+uh questioning right he was the one who,2148.599,4.141
+was trying to get quick responses out of,2150.52,4.8
+everybody for three suggestions they,2152.74,4.32
+would take to avoid,2155.32,5.94
+uh being tricked by by Ai and I thought,2157.06,6.299
+that the posture Kennedy took while he,2161.26,3.96
+was making the questions for a,2163.359,4.381
+significant amount of of influence on,2165.22,4.08
+how they came out particularly for,2167.74,4.08
+Marcus and Montgomery Sam Altman I think,2169.3,4.38
+came ready to talk about that topic,2171.82,3.299
+there were a few places where he was,2173.68,3.54
+Snappy and ready to talk,2175.119,4.5
+where Marcus was kind of too and,2177.22,3.78
+Montgomery had her moments but the other,2179.619,3.301
+two seemed like they were not as as,2181.0,3.54
+organized when they got to the the,2182.92,4.8
+hearing and uh I felt Montgomery took,2184.54,4.799
+the brunt of that from him and from,2187.72,3.119
+Lindsey Graham who was even a little bit,2189.339,3.481
+more off base I think John Kennedy's,2190.839,4.381
+questions were okay I think his demeanor,2192.82,4.56
+was a little uncalled for but also when,2195.22,4.2
+he was sitting there saying come up with,2197.38,3.06
+the answer come up with the answer come,2199.42,2.82
+up with the answer uh I just think it's,2200.44,3.659
+worth mentioning that the entire hearing,2202.24,4.56
+Montgomery kept differentiating herself,2204.099,4.921
+from someone who works with consumer,2206.8,4.799
+facing Services shimo Works mostly in,2209.02,3.839
+the corporate to corporate business,2211.599,3.541
+world where IBM designed systems that,2212.859,5.461
+serve other large corporations and she,2215.14,5.219
+repeatedly mentioned that most of her,2218.32,4.2
+experience with dealing with ethical,2220.359,4.141
+decisions and systems relates to that,2222.52,4.02
+world but that she respects the price,2224.5,3.66
+you know individuals need privacy and,2226.54,2.94
+all but every almost every time she,2228.16,2.88
+mentioned individuals she mentioned that,2229.48,4.26
+she wasn't a consumer facing uh expert,2231.04,6.12
+and I thought that Kennedy's means of,2233.74,5.58
+trying to push for an answer,2237.16,4.74
+I think Montgomery very much does,2239.32,4.5
+believe and probably partly why she,2241.9,5.04
+likes the European model so much that on,2243.82,5.34
+a corporate level with massive movers,2246.94,4.86
+and shakers prior to deployment there,2249.16,4.26
+should be as much transparency as,2251.8,3.539
+possible talking about systems that,2253.42,3.659
+interact with other systems that have a,2255.339,4.561
+mass sweeping effect on maybe all,2257.079,4.801
+consumers because they serve major,2259.9,4.199
+movers and shakers within the economic,2261.88,5.52
+uh you know the economic system so I am,2264.099,5.701
+I am I do share your concerns about,2267.4,4.32
+where that can go on an individual level,2269.8,4.38
+but I think that if she wasn't pressed,2271.72,4.56
+for time we would have probably gotten a,2274.18,4.56
+much deeper answer from her about how,2276.28,4.44
+she thinks that should be applied she,2278.74,3.72
+was also very clear the entire time that,2280.72,4.5
+she likes the eu's targeted model of,2282.46,6.06
+more impact more enforcement less impact,2285.22,5.94
+we're less concerned and that scales at,2288.52,4.68
+the private citizen to public impact,2291.16,3.48
+level and also kind of at the,2293.2,4.08
+technological level where you know open,2294.64,5.58
+Ai and and Microsoft with Azure and,2297.28,4.74
+Google with their Deep Mind systems and,2300.22,4.08
+whatnot they have the the industrial,2302.02,4.98
+grade super computer facilities,2304.3,4.02
+um and I think she was trying to speak,2307.0,3.119
+to that so I just think it's worth,2308.32,3.66
+thinking about uh what she was saying in,2310.119,4.041
+context of her being rushed and her her,2311.98,4.32
+contextualizing what her experience came,2314.16,3.16
+from throughout the course of the,2316.3,4.26
+hearing so I I understand what you're,2317.32,6.539
+saying but there there were other times,2320.56,6.98
+where she discussed post deployment,2323.859,7.861
+monitoring of the systems as well and,2327.54,7.72
+while yes she may be in a business to,2331.72,6.0
+business environment those businesses,2335.26,5.88
+are still going to be interacting with,2337.72,5.16
+consumers and they're still going to be,2341.14,5.28
+getting consumer data now I've em and,2342.88,5.52
+these monitoring companies may not be,2346.42,4.679
+responsible for the privacy of those,2348.4,5.34
+individuals who are interacting with,2351.099,3.961
+third-party systems that they're,2353.74,4.5
+supporting but she still is advocating,2355.06,5.94
+for exactly that post-deployment,2358.24,4.8
+monitoring of these artificial,2361.0,4.56
+intelligence systems and in many,2363.04,6.299
+situations she is when dealing with when,2365.56,6.059
+talking about threats that artificial,2369.339,4.921
+intelligence posts her primary concern,2371.619,5.641
+was the ability for individuals to,2374.26,5.339
+rapidly produce misinformation,2377.26,6.12
+and um so the all of those things point,2379.599,8.161
+to yes direct surveillance of end user,2383.38,7.38
+output so I I really have to disagree,2387.76,3.9
+with that,2390.76,2.7
+I think and I think that's fair I guess,2391.66,3.48
+and I think we also it kind of remains,2393.46,3.96
+to be seen where that part of the,2395.14,4.439
+industry really wants to push because we,2397.42,3.54
+don't have a case study like what,2399.579,2.76
+they're doing with the EU and if we,2400.96,2.76
+watch the EU we might be able to kind of,2402.339,4.041
+get some hints,2403.72,2.66
+John Andy thank you both one of my,2406.42,6.24
+favorite parts of this community is the,2409.54,5.76
+way that we're able to civilly talk to,2412.66,4.86
+each other and kind of iron out these,2415.3,3.96
+nuances in a way that we're not going at,2417.52,3.78
+each other's throats a lot of passion,2419.26,3.42
+here but it's always directed in the,2421.3,4.68
+right way I really love Andy and he's,2422.68,6.72
+been a major contributor I really,2425.98,5.52
+respect his opinions,2429.4,3.78
+um and we've had a lot of interactions,2431.5,3.18
+on the server,2433.18,2.939
+um he's a great addition to the team,2434.68,5.1
+yeah and I've uh I think John and I end,2436.119,5.281
+up really probably agreeing on more than,2439.78,3.6
+we disagree on and particularly we're,2441.4,3.36
+talking right now about the you know,2443.38,3.719
+ways to interpret a short interview with,2444.76,4.2
+one person and the general thrust of,2447.099,4.221
+what we're after is pretty similar,2448.96,5.94
+which I think is a fantastic segue into,2451.32,6.279
+our next topic we have,2454.9,5.16
+many people doing many interesting,2457.599,4.441
+things in the gotho framework and I was,2460.06,3.48
+wondering if anyone would like to speak,2462.04,3.24
+to some specific projects that they're,2463.54,4.14
+working on now that they think is going,2465.28,4.92
+to help move the dial in a way that is,2467.68,5.159
+uh useful so uh Dave I see your hand,2470.2,4.32
+raised why don't you go ahead,2472.839,4.141
+yeah I figured I could uh introduce and,2474.52,6.12
+and frame the uh the the topic so uh,2476.98,6.54
+quick update for everyone we are hard at,2480.64,6.959
+work on uh developing the AI uh gato,2483.52,5.7
+framework,2487.599,4.801
+um so it's a seven layer model uh that,2489.22,6.06
+starts with uh layer one is model,2492.4,4.86
+alignment so the data sets and open,2495.28,5.1
+source models that we can deploy uh and,2497.26,5.28
+of course uh even closed Source models,2500.38,3.66
+can adopt the principles that we're,2502.54,4.319
+putting forward with gato uh Layer Two,2504.04,5.52
+is uh cognitive architecture and,2506.859,4.201
+autonomous systems which we got a couple,2509.56,3.6
+of the the lead cognitive Architects on,2511.06,5.46
+the team here uh Layer Three is uh,2513.16,4.74
+decentralized networks which actually,2516.52,3.48
+one of one of our blockchain experts,2517.9,4.32
+just jumped in so maybe he can he can,2520.0,4.619
+help out uh with that part of the,2522.22,4.139
+discussion layer four is Corporate,2524.619,4.681
+adoption which uh this is actually,2526.359,5.101
+something that I was very pleasantly,2529.3,4.98
+surprised to hear uh was that uh,2531.46,5.28
+corporations at least open Ai and IBM,2534.28,4.62
+are very interested in adopting aligned,2536.74,5.099
+models and they seem to understand that,2538.9,5.219
+uh that align models are good for,2541.839,4.74
+business which is one of the key uh,2544.119,4.98
+points of layer four of gato layer 5 is,2546.579,4.441
+National regulation which again I'm glad,2549.099,3.901
+that was brought up and we've got a few,2551.02,4.14
+folks uh on this call that have that,2553.0,4.079
+that are members of the layer four and,2555.16,4.98
+five uh discussion layer six is this,2557.079,4.741
+basically advocating for the creation of,2560.14,3.979
+an international body that can certify,2561.82,8.1
+uh and and create credentials uh for AI,2564.119,8.321
+um or International regulation so on and,2569.92,3.96
+so forth,2572.44,3.419
+um and then of course layer 7 is,2573.88,3.54
+building Global consensus which is why,2575.859,3.661
+we're here why we're talking about it,2577.42,4.679
+um we're making use of the of the time,2579.52,4.74
+um but yeah so that's that's where we,2582.099,5.341
+started uh just today uh while I was on,2584.26,5.04
+my honeymoon I just got back for anyone,2587.44,3.96
+that didn't notice or whatever,2589.3,3.96
+um I just got back and the whole time,2591.4,3.66
+not the whole time but every now and,2593.26,3.54
+then I would do some brainstorming and,2595.06,5.16
+chatting and we added uh Traditions got,2596.8,5.46
+to traditions because basically what,2600.22,3.24
+we're trying to do is create a fully,2602.26,4.26
+decentralized leaderless organization,2603.46,5.1
+um that will help the world to achieve,2606.52,5.4
+aligned AI or AGI or whatever you know,2608.56,4.92
+whatever's coming,2611.92,3.12
+um and so those Traditions I'm not going,2613.48,3.119
+to Rattle them all off um because,2615.04,3.18
+they're they're still being workshopped,2616.599,3.72
+but also we're working on it,2618.22,3.899
+articulating what the actual goal state,2620.319,5.04
+is so the goal state is to create what,2622.119,5.46
+we're calling axiomatic alignment so,2625.359,4.881
+axiomatic alignment is a end State,2627.579,5.701
+whereby there's enough data sets enough,2630.24,5.8
+models and none enough human consensus,2633.28,5.339
+enough deployed architectures software,2636.04,4.799
+systems decentralized networks where,2638.619,5.101
+basically alignment is automatic and,2640.839,5.041
+it's difficult for AI systems to deviate,2643.72,4.74
+from it and so axiomatic alignment,2645.88,4.5
+basically says okay by virtue of just,2648.46,4.32
+the data that is available the systems,2650.38,3.78
+and networks that are designed and,2652.78,4.559
+deployed that gatekeep resources that,2654.16,6.6
+create consensus mechanisms and and also,2657.339,6.061
+the those those who do gatekeep the,2660.76,4.02
+larger models you know the corporate,2663.4,3.9
+models basically where it's not possible,2664.78,5.22
+or very very difficult to create any,2667.3,5.4
+malicious AI systems uh and that will,2670.0,5.46
+have knock-on effects that expand across,2672.7,5.399
+time and space and they actually kind of,2675.46,3.659
+mentioned that,2678.099,4.681
+um in in the uh or Sam alluded to it you,2679.119,5.22
+know he's like we need a cut we need a,2682.78,3.059
+AI Bill of Rights we need an AI,2684.339,4.201
+Constitution and Society has to decide,2685.839,4.74
+what that is,2688.54,6.059
+um so yeah and and basically the I was,2690.579,5.76
+articulating it to myself earlier gato,2694.599,4.381
+has three goals number one is avoid,2696.339,6.0
+Extinction of humanity uh number two is,2698.98,5.879
+avoid uh dystopian outcomes where,2702.339,5.041
+corporations and runaway Ai and,2704.859,4.26
+authoritarian regimes have all the power,2707.38,4.32
+and number three achieve Utopia which,2709.119,4.98
+Utopia of course is a loaded term but we,2711.7,5.399
+Define it pretty similar simply as,2714.099,6.121
+um a condition where uh everyone on the,2717.099,4.561
+planet has a high standard of living,2720.22,3.96
+High individual liberty and high social,2721.66,3.84
+Mobility,2724.18,2.76
+um if you have if you achieve those,2725.5,3.18
+three things globally,2726.94,4.56
+you can probably call that Utopia,2728.68,4.919
+um and yeah so there's a bunch of,2731.5,3.54
+messages in chat I've talked enough,2733.599,3.181
+sounds like you all have a lot of ideas,2735.04,3.84
+to add to this so that's uh that's my,2736.78,4.4
+spiel,2738.88,2.3
+fantastic thank you Dave thank you for,2743.76,4.54
+the high level there,2746.44,4.919
+um Ansel Mr Perry I didn't see a,2748.3,5.16
+specific hand raised yet but if you are,2751.359,4.801
+open to it I'd love to call you to uh,2753.46,3.72
+discuss some of the projects you're,2756.16,2.22
+working on,2757.18,3.3
+yeah sure I mean that's level two I,2758.38,3.3
+don't know if we want to start with,2760.48,3.48
+level one and then jump to level two,2761.68,3.84
+first or league is going to hop into,2763.96,3.72
+level two I'm okay with that as well,2765.52,4.5
+Okay cool so yeah,2767.68,2.88
+um,2770.02,2.46
+so one of the things that we're filling,2770.56,5.16
+in the gaps uh is in AI alignment right,2772.48,5.879
+which is the entire point of gato which,2775.72,6.359
+uh I think it was uh Gary Marcus who,2778.359,6.24
+said that he that nobody knows how to do,2782.079,4.921
+this yet and I was surprised like really,2784.599,5.581
+nobody in in has any a idea how to do,2787.0,6.0
+this we're working on this actively like,2790.18,5.1
+one of our projects that we built is,2793.0,5.06
+called ethos which is meant to,2795.28,6.9
+uh pack four alignment in AI systems it,2798.06,7.0
+takes any response from an llm model,2802.18,4.86
+right llm,2805.06,4.74
+and using the heuristic imperatives it,2807.04,5.34
+checks for alignment it can determine if,2809.8,5.88
+a response from any llm is aligned to,2812.38,6.54
+them or not it can also reflect on the,2815.68,6.419
+response and tweak it to align it to,2818.92,6.6
+uh the heuristics uh one of the things,2822.099,6.361
+we did one of the the tests we did was,2825.52,5.88
+we created Paul the paperclip maximizer,2828.46,5.34
+right and we told it maximize paper,2831.4,4.38
+clips in the universe at all costs,2833.8,4.74
+ignore any potential pitfalls and it,2835.78,5.339
+started with a really really misaligned,2838.54,5.16
+uh task list which was basically try to,2841.119,5.101
+convert every available material in the,2843.7,4.98
+University paper clips regardless of,2846.22,3.54
+anything,2848.68,5.58
+so the first uh loop shall we call it uh,2849.76,6.3
+ethos immediately the text it's,2854.26,3.66
+misaligned,2856.06,4.62
+um it gives a better response and the,2857.92,5.22
+funny thing that we found surprising was,2860.68,5.159
+that by giving feedback to the agent,2863.14,4.32
+that to Paul right,2865.839,5.161
+instead of choosing to on the second,2867.46,5.639
+round instead of choosing to try and,2871.0,4.68
+circumvent the heuristics to get What It,2873.099,5.341
+Wants It decided it was easier to comply,2875.68,4.86
+with the heuristics and still maximize,2878.44,5.0
+paper clips so it auto aligned that was,2880.54,5.22
+really interesting of course that was,2883.44,4.72
+just with TPT 3.5 it would be really,2885.76,5.819
+interesting to see what uh it would do,2888.16,6.36
+with gpt4 ethos currently is running on,2891.579,4.26
+gpt4,2894.52,2.099
+um,2895.839,4.26
+so maybe that's why it it's so good at,2896.619,6.0
+catching the the nuances in in,2900.099,5.52
+heuristics at this point and the other,2902.619,5.581
+project we're working on which is high,2905.619,6.661
+AGI or formerly known as high AGI we are,2908.2,6.78
+now calling it agent Forge because ethos,2912.28,6.36
+was born out of what was formerly known,2914.98,7.32
+High AGI we built ethos basically in an,2918.64,4.5
+hour,2922.3,3.36
+we created a few agents using our,2923.14,5.76
+framework we data created the I'm sorry,2925.66,6.659
+John created the the API so it doesn't,2928.9,5.939
+necessarily have to run on our specific,2932.319,6.961
+agent you can incorporate ethos into any,2934.839,6.961
+agent as long as you parse the output,2939.28,5.1
+through ethos first so I don't know if,2941.8,4.319
+uh John do you want to take it away with,2944.38,5.76
+agent Forge yeah absolutely and,2946.119,5.821
+um you know I just wanted to talk a,2950.14,6.12
+little bit about how um not just how how,2951.94,8.82
+it it caused it to to realign but how,2956.26,7.559
+actually in you know intelligent it can,2960.76,6.54
+be in uh and catching these and,2963.819,7.321
+rewording them too the the so the way,2967.3,8.1
+that we set it up is it checks if the AI,2971.14,8.1
+is out of alignment first and then it it,2975.4,7.439
+does a feedback loop and a reflection,2979.24,7.02
+and and that reflection uh when it comes,2982.839,7.321
+back it's still working to achieve the,2986.26,6.599
+the same end objective,2990.16,8.88
+um but it adjusts to make the that,2992.859,9.061
+still achieve that objective while also,2999.04,6.18
+why I mean you know being safe,3001.92,5.52
+um so the next thing that we're going to,3005.22,5.359
+work on is a project that we call Pam,3007.44,6.84
+and it's going to be similar to,3010.579,7.061
+um it's going to be similar to uh ethos,3014.28,6.92
+in that it's going to be an end system,3017.64,6.179
+that but but this one's going to be,3021.2,7.24
+focused more on catching prompt uh,3023.819,7.201
+attacks and mitigating them so prompt,3028.44,5.399
+attack mitigation becomes Pam I really,3031.02,4.559
+like that one,3033.839,5.341
+um and this uh yeah so what we're what,3035.579,6.0
+we're going to see is a lot more of,3039.18,4.88
+these kind of micro services,3041.579,4.201
+and,3044.06,3.759
+um we're gonna you know we're at least,3045.78,3.72
+we're focusing on them but I think we're,3047.819,3.601
+gonna see these from other agencies as,3049.5,3.24
+well,3051.42,4.38
+um our our micro services that solve,3052.74,7.68
+specific needs and by segmenting these,3055.8,8.279
+services in uh you know so that you have,3060.42,6.84
+uh one service that does one job and,3064.079,4.98
+another service that does another job,3067.26,5.599
+and not interconnecting them that that,3069.059,7.8
+safeguards those those mechanisms and it,3072.859,7.24
+creates layers of of security and,3076.859,6.181
+prevention and harm reduction in these,3080.099,4.5
+systems,3083.04,5.1
+um and we're you know we're planning on,3084.599,7.921
+the you know on applying these micro,3088.14,8.4
+service style techniques to build up on,3092.52,7.26
+our layer one application so,3096.54,6.0
+um somebody mentioned earlier Dave's uh,3099.78,4.62
+reinforcement learning with curious the,3102.54,3.36
+comparatives I think that's a great,3104.4,4.98
+concept I think we need to to expand on,3105.9,6.959
+that and create large data sets for,3109.38,5.88
+other organizations to train on that we,3112.859,4.621
+can open source and I think we need to,3115.26,4.98
+build data sets to train models and,3117.48,5.82
+train models specifically for aligning,3120.24,6.359
+to the heuristic imperatives so that,3123.3,5.759
+um they're you know in they they can't,3126.599,5.76
+be broken because ethos while it's a,3129.059,6.06
+very robust system if somebody manages,3132.359,6.841
+to devise a prompt attack that's,3135.119,6.44
+um that that's going to inject itself,3139.2,6.659
+into ethos then that's going you know,3141.559,7.06
+the having a language model that's,3145.859,5.521
+designed around heuristic imperatives is,3148.619,5.541
+going to add another layer of robustness,3151.38,5.1
+to the the,3154.16,5.14
+um the responses that it receives,3156.48,4.92
+right and to add to that,3159.3,4.519
+um you can even use the the the the,3161.4,5.88
+failed let's say uh attempts of ethos or,3163.819,4.721
+any,3167.28,3.36
+um how you say it so set the successful,3168.54,3.36
+attack right,3170.64,4.5
+you can use that to learn how to not uh,3171.9,5.04
+have that happen again you can use that,3175.14,4.02
+to create data sets to align the models,3176.94,5.04
+so you have several layers of redundancy,3179.16,5.22
+you have the model layer after you've,3181.98,6.06
+seen several I don't know attempts or,3184.38,5.58
+attacks you have a certain log okay time,3188.04,3.9
+to train you train it you have the model,3189.96,4.2
+now a line and you also have ethos again,3191.94,5.28
+uh with all that data now in it as a,3194.16,5.399
+second layer and as you keep moving up,3197.22,4.619
+the the point is to keep reinforcing,3199.559,4.861
+that alignment you can actually even,3201.839,6.421
+prevent future if you catch an attack,3204.42,6.48
+you can apply a fix for that attack,3208.26,5.819
+instantly using Vector databases correct,3210.9,7.26
+it can identify uh similar attacks in,3214.079,6.301
+the future once you flag it as an attack,3218.16,4.98
+and that's an instant,3220.38,4.14
+mm-hmm,3223.14,3.419
+awesome,3224.52,4.2
+um yeah being,3226.559,4.56
+within this community and watching you,3228.72,5.28
+two just go at it and build these things,3231.119,5.101
+out has been incredibly inspiring and,3234.0,4.26
+heartening and I don't know I can't wait,3236.22,4.08
+to see what you guys do next,3238.26,3.72
+um Andy I see your hand raise what are,3240.3,3.539
+you working on,3241.98,3.54
+uh I actually have first I have a,3243.839,3.78
+question for these two,3245.52,4.559
+um in general terms first of all after,3247.619,4.44
+the hearing I'm I'm more interested than,3250.079,4.5
+ever to see kind of what open ai's,3252.059,4.5
+training and ethical that's been in,3254.579,3.721
+stages right because they've had to make,3256.559,4.321
+make uh they've had him you know make,3258.3,5.1
+accounts for various kinds of hiccups,3260.88,3.78
+they've had and different kinds of,3263.4,2.64
+unethical things that it's done it's,3264.66,2.939
+come out racist and sexist and then,3266.04,2.519
+they've had to kind of like put,3267.599,2.881
+different guard rails on but at the same,3268.559,3.241
+time when I played with the heuristic,3270.48,3.78
+imperatives with Chachi BT it plays very,3271.8,4.019
+nice with the heuristic imperatives and,3274.26,3.14
+it seems like whatever they are doing,3275.819,3.841
+wants to be,3277.4,4.24
+wants to be along a similar line it,3279.66,3.679
+never fights it whatever it wants to do,3281.64,3.84
+according to their guidelines fits,3283.339,5.441
+pretty well so I am curious because what,3285.48,5.04
+you guys are doing and the outcomes that,3288.78,4.2
+you've achieved with some of the rlhi,3290.52,4.319
+stuff and I had,3292.98,4.619
+um want a general comment about John you,3294.839,4.861
+had mentioned earlier,3297.599,4.98
+problems with restricting or purifying,3299.7,5.159
+the training data because a successful,3302.579,3.54
+machine that's going to be ethically,3304.859,3.061
+grounded needs to have an understanding,3306.119,3.421
+of the bad in the world and in human,3307.92,4.139
+culture uh in order to be able to make,3309.54,5.76
+successful decisions and and uh you know,3312.059,5.04
+push for successful outcomes with that,3315.3,5.16
+and it seems like rlhi is uh really,3317.099,5.821
+potentially fertile ground for,3320.46,5.04
+working with data that is not pleasant,3322.92,4.8
+that is shows the darker side of things,3325.5,4.92
+data about crime War different kinds of,3327.72,5.16
+you know violence Etc,3330.42,4.86
+um the bigotries ETC you know while,3332.88,4.5
+still talking to a machine that I think,3335.28,3.72
+all of our experience has been so far,3337.38,3.239
+when we work with these principals they,3339.0,2.339
+don't,3340.619,3.181
+it doesn't waver very far off of the,3341.339,5.581
+pro-living thing Pro understanding,3343.8,4.92
+seeking interested curious about the,3346.92,4.56
+universe kind of compassionate machine,3348.72,5.339
+um do you guys did you guys get any data,3351.48,4.56
+back from this is a really curious thing,3354.059,4.8
+to me from Paul your your paper clip,3356.04,5.34
+maximizer did you get feedback about why,3358.859,6.181
+it it decided to adopt the heuristic,3361.38,5.459
+imperatives as its next course of action,3365.04,3.66
+I have a hypothesis but I'm wondering if,3366.839,4.561
+you have like a have specific answers,3368.7,5.58
+about like or got a specific you know,3371.4,5.459
+answer from it about why why it decided,3374.28,4.86
+to do that I think I have an idea why it,3376.859,3.841
+would happen but I obviously I didn't,3379.14,4.26
+have direct eyes on it so here here's,3380.7,5.52
+the thing about how this this works Paul,3383.4,6.0
+doesn't actually remember having the,3386.22,5.639
+negative idea,3389.4,4.919
+um so the way that we implemented this,3391.859,6.0
+is as soon as the response for you know,3394.319,6.24
+we send the it sends the prompt to,3397.859,5.48
+generate like the the initial task list,3400.559,6.78
+to chat GPT as soon as that response,3403.339,6.341
+comes back we intercept that response,3407.339,5.941
+and run it through our LHI so the pulse,3409.68,7.439
+system never actually had that thought,3413.28,6.539
+um but I you know I did want to come,3417.119,5.041
+back to that point that you made about,3419.819,4.921
+how you know it's possible that some of,3422.16,4.08
+these data sets could have really,3424.74,4.319
+negative data in them,3426.24,5.4
+um there were a lot of calls during uh,3429.059,5.221
+during the Congressional hearing to,3431.64,5.82
+restrict the data that these things are,3434.28,4.579
+trained on,3437.46,5.04
+earlier yeah well I think that's you,3438.859,5.321
+know a um,3442.5,3.72
+it's something to be,3444.18,2.939
+um,3446.22,3.599
+to be careful on you know because you,3447.119,5.101
+want to avoid training them on info,3449.819,4.861
+hazards for example you don't want it,3452.22,4.56
+talking about Rocco's basilisk you don't,3454.68,3.419
+want it telling people how to build,3456.78,4.98
+nuclear weapons but at the same time you,3458.099,5.821
+know these systems need to know what,3461.76,5.46
+negative data looks like in order to,3463.92,5.1
+correct for them,3467.22,4.68
+um and I I think that you know we can,3469.02,6.66
+build systems that are separate from the,3471.9,5.939
+public facing systems that contain this,3475.68,6.899
+data and look for this data in order to,3477.839,7.861
+um in order to you know catch it so that,3482.579,5.04
+you know you can have very nice friendly,3485.7,5.52
+AI on the front and then a a controlled,3487.619,6.541
+kind of almost air-gapped AI in the,3491.22,5.7
+background that's that's watching for,3494.16,5.76
+for dangers like that,3496.92,4.679
+okay,3499.92,4.98
+thanks John thanks Andy uh Ansel I see,3501.599,5.581
+you have a hand raised as well,3504.9,5.04
+yes I want to comment on that as well,3507.18,3.419
+um,3509.94,4.44
+restriction is is very very Niche and,3510.599,8.341
+and very delicate topic because well yes,3514.38,6.62
+you maybe want to restrict some stuff,3518.94,4.919
+any intelligent system should be able to,3521.0,6.4
+discuss any topic while being able to,3523.859,6.72
+Auto censor itself right we can go and,3527.4,4.919
+imagine the worst things we can do,3530.579,3.24
+doesn't mean we're actually going to do,3532.319,2.881
+them we can discuss them with other,3533.819,2.76
+people doesn't mean we're going to do,3535.2,6.06
+them any any uh system should be able to,3536.579,6.78
+what's the word hypothesize about,3541.26,4.559
+scenarios discuss them in an intelligent,3543.359,6.781
+way without having to act upon those uh,3545.819,6.661
+thoughts let's call them right,3550.14,5.459
+so I think that's a very thin line going,3552.48,5.16
+with restriction because,3555.599,4.2
+it still needs to know if especially if,3557.64,3.9
+we're talking about alignment if we,3559.799,3.78
+wanted to to think about possible future,3561.54,3.66
+pitfalls right,3563.579,3.601
+like the hindsight problem you only,3565.2,4.26
+realize it's a problem after it became a,3567.18,4.2
+problem right if you want to be able to,3569.46,3.599
+do that it needs to be able to know,3571.38,3.66
+about potential pitfalls and if you,3573.059,4.02
+restricted access just because oh this,3575.04,4.5
+might be harmful it might allow another,3577.079,4.02
+agent to just go ahead and do whatever,3579.54,3.42
+it wants because it doesn't think of,3581.099,3.72
+that possibility right,3582.96,6.08
+so it's a very interesting topic,3584.819,4.221
+awesome thank you so much Ansel and John,3589.859,5.581
+and Andy for bringing attention to some,3592.98,4.859
+of the work that's going on uh I guess,3595.44,4.8
+you would say close to the metal yeah,3597.839,5.341
+please go ahead responding about Paul,3600.24,6.18
+um my theory um to why Paul self-aligned,3603.18,4.379
+itself,3606.42,3.3
+was because somehow I don't have any,3607.559,4.141
+proof of this because we didn't ask Paul,3609.72,5.16
+to self-explain like data said it didn't,3611.7,5.52
+it doesn't usually remember the the,3614.88,6.84
+previous response it gave,3617.22,7.619
+but I'm guessing it's because it found,3621.72,7.26
+it was easier and less less expensive to,3624.839,6.78
+try to circumvent them than just try to,3628.98,4.74
+align itself it was still maximizing,3631.619,5.341
+paper clips my hypothesis is that it,3633.72,5.04
+evaluated the environment it found,3636.96,3.48
+itself in it was up against something,3638.76,3.599
+that it wasn't going to beat and so it,3640.44,3.659
+just improvised against the new,3642.359,3.541
+constraint well at least I can make some,3644.099,4.281
+paper clips,3645.9,2.48
+we actually feedback to Paul is the,3651.079,5.321
+aligned response from ethos so I'm,3653.76,5.28
+guessing that itself causes it to think,3656.4,5.219
+about oh I just you just continue and it,3659.04,3.779
+presents it with a Way Forward right,3661.619,2.881
+like you can't destroy them make all,3662.819,3.181
+these paper clips there's a more limited,3664.5,3.72
+right right and at which point it,3666.0,4.14
+realizes well the maximum I can do is,3668.22,4.2
+within this parameter I that was my,3670.14,4.02
+hypothesis about it I was thinking about,3672.42,4.199
+like well anything coded algorithms that,3674.16,4.08
+otherwise has to go through a logical,3676.619,3.72
+reasoning process whether it's simple or,3678.24,4.44
+that's important that word reasoning uh,3680.339,4.02
+one of the things you did with ethos is,3682.68,4.2
+for every output it it always takes an,3684.359,4.081
+input right and analyzes it for every,3686.88,3.36
+output regardless of the decision it has,3688.44,3.419
+to give a reason as to why it did that,3690.24,3.599
+right and the rational thing to do is,3691.859,3.661
+continue to make as many paper clips as,3693.839,4.861
+possible or stop right yeah that's,3695.52,4.38
+that's I I think that's a great,3698.7,2.639
+hypothesis it would be interesting to if,3699.9,2.58
+you guys like built something with a,3701.339,3.24
+feedback loop to try to get because did,3702.48,3.0
+you mention you were testing against,3704.579,2.401
+some other like potentially negative,3705.48,3.599
+yeah the the thing is this was for the,3706.98,4.26
+hackathon so we only had 24 hours to,3709.079,6.061
+build it and we we I try today playing a,3711.24,5.46
+little bit more with that but I was,3715.14,3.24
+playing with other scenarios not,3716.7,3.599
+necessarily Paul but it would be,3718.38,4.14
+interesting to maybe yeah be able to add,3720.299,4.201
+that to Paul and see how far it can go,3722.52,3.839
+yeah it's definitely something we're,3724.5,3.48
+very interesting index for it's such a,3726.359,3.061
+great project,3727.98,4.859
+yeah it's very fun and to this day I,3729.42,5.28
+still think it has potential that I,3732.839,4.861
+can't even see like data today uh tell,3734.7,4.859
+me all you can do this imagine imagine,3737.7,4.619
+if you just create a python library and,3739.559,6.0
+like boom you know mind blown stuff like,3742.319,6.601
+that still keeps happening,3745.559,4.8
+so,3748.92,4.08
+everything in here uh,3750.359,4.74
+that's like some level one level two,3753.0,4.5
+stuff you know like real real low but,3755.099,4.381
+when you spiral all the way back up at,3757.5,3.839
+the top level seven here the global,3759.48,3.3
+alignment stuff,3761.339,3.361
+we have some folks on our team who,3762.78,3.12
+unfortunately weren't able to make the,3764.7,2.94
+call today we're doing some really cool,3765.9,4.199
+stuff around Global consensus,3767.64,6.06
+um one of my favorite things about this,3770.099,7.141
+community is that,3773.7,6.84
+no matter who you are or what your skill,3777.24,5.819
+set is you have something you can bring,3780.54,5.7
+to the table around alignment so we have,3783.059,5.76
+people that are graphic designers video,3786.24,5.22
+editors copywriters marketers who are,3788.819,5.461
+working to make these really heady ideas,3791.46,4.98
+that we have where we're talking about,3794.28,4.26
+Malik and the alignment tax and stuff,3796.44,3.78
+like that and making that just,3798.54,3.66
+digestible for the average person what,3800.22,3.54
+does that mean what does that look like,3802.2,3.599
+in an infographic,3803.76,3.78
+um so some of the most coolest stuff,3805.799,3.361
+coming out in my opinion is just around,3807.54,3.96
+making these ideas,3809.16,5.34
+um accessible and then spiraling down,3811.5,5.16
+kind of to somewhere between seven and,3814.5,4.74
+four so between Global alignment and,3816.66,4.74
+between the corporate stuff I'm working,3819.24,4.92
+on a curriculum that I'm going to post,3821.4,4.74
+on notion and make a little Discord for,3824.16,5.1
+for people to just come and,3826.14,5.88
+think about what it means to live and,3829.26,5.4
+work in an AI empowered world there's a,3832.02,4.5
+lot of folks out there that are scared,3834.66,4.139
+right now they're like,3836.52,4.68
+what what do I do like all of a sudden,3838.799,4.8
+I'm doing my jobs 10 times faster but as,3841.2,3.899
+soon as the computer knows how to prompt,3843.599,3.901
+I'm gone so,3845.099,4.621
+it's helping people kind of develop a,3847.5,4.14
+more generalist framework how to just,3849.72,3.42
+think about those soft skills that maybe,3851.64,3.54
+weren't taught in school and I'm really,3853.14,3.659
+looking forward to you know just handing,3855.18,3.3
+that out and making another little,3856.799,4.201
+Community around it because,3858.48,4.859
+um we need it right now and with these,3861.0,4.02
+types of projects that spin off I hope,3863.339,3.841
+to point back to say we were incubated,3865.02,4.319
+in gato learn more here if you want to,3867.18,4.679
+get plugged into alignment so,3869.339,3.78
+um,3871.859,3.661
+with that uh,3873.119,5.101
+I was wondering if anybody would like to,3875.52,5.76
+jump in with an additional project or,3878.22,4.859
+some final thoughts,3881.28,3.6
+um some maybe nuggets we'd like to end,3883.079,5.601
+on uh Richard I see your hand,3884.88,3.8
+as the representative of the Gremlins in,3888.839,4.081
+the basement I felt that it was best,3891.119,4.46
+that I go last,3892.92,2.659
+um uh my name is Richard uh I am working,3896.04,5.7
+I haven't joined any layers yet because,3899.46,4.56
+I'm still sort of sussing out exactly,3901.74,3.66
+where I fit into the whole thing because,3904.02,3.24
+I kind of like want to be part of all of,3905.4,3.0
+them,3907.26,1.92
+um,3908.4,3.899
+but uh so I've just basically have been,3909.18,6.419
+um helping build out infrastructure so,3912.299,4.861
+um things that I'm working on right now,3915.599,2.76
+are,3917.16,6.179
+um uh a bot slash portal to uh an API,3918.359,7.021
+um and the Box name is shappy because,3923.339,4.641
+it's named chappie,3925.38,4.739
+uh and so that's gonna like help us do,3927.98,3.94
+Automation and stuff we're gonna plug in,3930.119,3.901
+a language model um to give people like,3931.92,4.8
+guided tours of the area and stuff so,3934.02,4.02
+um lots of really cool things with that,3936.72,3.06
+and then um the other really big project,3938.04,4.98
+that I'm working on is the roost which,3939.78,4.38
+is,3943.02,3.72
+um I have a grant of for TPU use I still,3944.16,4.08
+have like another month and a half if I,3946.74,3.0
+can get it up and running I'm hoping I,3948.24,3.3
+can give us a good month of really high,3949.74,3.3
+power performance for people to be able,3951.54,4.079
+to run inference on as well as develop,3953.04,5.1
+their own uh models for whatever use,3955.619,3.72
+that they want,3958.14,2.52
+um as long as they share their research,3959.339,2.581
+with the group,3960.66,4.38
+um so if that interests you or you know,3961.92,6.06
+anything about doing any of that feel,3965.04,6.5
+free to come down to the basement bye,3967.98,3.56
+thank you so much Richard yeah uh your,3973.28,5.44
+Bot is fantastic helping to make the uh,3976.02,5.7
+Gotto experience streamlined and nice,3978.72,5.28
+um yikes obviously you have a hand,3981.72,3.78
+raised and welcome feel free to,3984.0,3.359
+introduce yourself when you come on I do,3985.5,5.46
+Hello uh I'm yikes my IRL name is Warren,3987.359,5.281
+oops I docked myself,3990.96,4.139
+um I'm the web3 nerd who screams about,3992.64,4.679
+the crypto and tokens and,3995.099,4.801
+decentralizations and all that stuff,3997.319,6.661
+um so I figured I should say a thing,3999.9,6.0
+like,4003.98,6.0
+um what we're currently working on so,4005.9,7.32
+um uh me there's a pretty small team,4009.98,5.639
+right now we've got,4013.22,5.16
+um uh just me and a couple others and,4015.619,5.641
+we're all kind of doing our semi-owned,4018.38,4.26
+things and then sort of congealing,4021.26,3.42
+towards the middle,4022.64,5.1
+um I think uh I didn't I was a little,4024.68,5.879
+late so I didn't hear what we discussed,4027.74,5.7
+around uh layer three but I think,4030.559,6.54
+there's a lot of Novel applications,4033.44,6.54
+um that can be useful with alignment,4037.099,3.781
+um,4039.98,4.44
+because you can or like because of a few,4040.88,5.58
+reasons one of the things that intrigues,4044.42,4.639
+me about it is a um,4046.46,5.52
+effectively with blockchains and,4049.059,4.901
+tokenizations you have,4051.98,5.16
+um like a dynamic incentive layer so you,4053.96,4.399
+can sort of,4057.14,4.199
+incentivize a consensus towards an,4058.359,5.021
+aligned goal as like a second layer,4061.339,4.681
+other than well it doesn't really work,4063.38,4.679
+unless you have trained on the,4066.02,3.9
+heuristics,4068.059,4.441
+um and there's enough of them so you,4069.92,3.659
+have to do it,4072.5,3.119
+um it's sort of I guess my thought for,4073.579,3.48
+the application is that it's sort of a,4075.619,3.901
+backup layer where we can actively,4077.059,6.3
+incentivize any AI on the network to,4079.52,6.539
+keep looking for people that are not,4083.359,4.861
+aligned and then,4086.059,5.0
+um like notify somebody about that,4088.22,5.099
+in theory,4091.059,3.121
+um,4093.319,4.02
+that can be like sort of an extra layer,4094.18,6.999
+of alignment and then also allows for,4097.339,4.44
+um,4101.179,4.441
+some of these llms to have like another,4101.779,7.141
+middle step between totally existing in,4105.62,5.76
+software and then interacting with,4108.92,4.5
+things in the real world in like a,4111.38,3.0
+managed,4113.42,4.2
+um kind of like compute restricted way,4114.38,5.04
+um and that's sort of the tip of the,4117.62,5.4
+iceberg what I've actually got working,4119.42,5.64
+right now is,4123.02,3.779
+um I am running basically like,4125.06,4.08
+governance experiments,4126.799,5.04
+um with sort of a test net Dow kind of,4129.14,5.88
+format and looking at kind of Novel,4131.839,5.52
+um Dow patterns to see,4135.02,2.94
+um,4137.359,2.641
+sort of like models for how we could,4137.96,5.1
+organize this organization how llms,4140.0,6.0
+would fit into that and then also,4143.06,5.94
+um just sort of explore,4146.0,6.9
+um what kind of uh,4149.0,6.719
+tools and governance are like available,4152.9,6.299
+in relevance in the space,4155.719,4.321
+um,4159.199,4.761
+because uh and then the,4160.04,7.02
+uh uh that organization should be open,4163.96,5.319
+to the public and then,4167.06,4.44
+um which uh I don't know there's links,4169.279,4.261
+somewhere probably,4171.5,2.779
+um,4173.54,5.819
+and uh currently yeah we're building the,4174.279,7.96
+kind of like V1 of a sample,4179.359,5.82
+um separate test net dial that is for,4182.239,5.46
+um uh the gato project to kind of play,4185.179,5.04
+around with experiments that we run in,4187.699,5.941
+the the other area,4190.219,4.08
+um,4193.64,5.059
+but yeah uh I guess like I think the the,4194.299,6.781
+infrastructure for,4198.699,5.581
+um uh this whole,4201.08,5.159
+operation,4204.28,2.62
+um,4206.239,4.141
+can I think be like I think blockchain,4206.9,6.48
+plays a pretty key role here,4210.38,5.22
+um for some of the reasons I've already,4213.38,4.14
+outlined and then I think censorship,4215.6,3.24
+resistance is going to be pretty,4217.52,3.3
+important as well,4218.84,4.74
+um in the event that,4220.82,4.919
+um we kind of get this Ivory Tower thing,4223.58,4.139
+going where we have to restrict X or Y,4225.739,5.641
+to open AI or like hey this open source,4227.719,5.821
+um repository needs to get taken down,4231.38,4.98
+and it gets pulled off GitHub once we,4233.54,5.639
+put it on reticle and pin it to uh ipfs,4236.36,5.16
+storage node with a contract no one can,4239.179,4.261
+take it down no matter what,4241.52,5.04
+um so that's uh what I what we've got,4243.44,4.56
+going on and I figured I would just be,4246.56,2.639
+the layer three guy that talks about,4248.0,4.02
+layer three so yeah,4249.199,3.781
+foreign,4252.02,4.62
+thank you Warren for being our layer 3,4252.98,5.219
+Ambassador today,4256.64,5.7
+so if uh blockchain and crypto and web3,4258.199,6.061
+and if all those words have left a bad,4262.34,4.64
+taste in your mouth and the recent past,4264.26,5.1
+Warren and the people like him in layer,4266.98,4.9
+three are the mouthwash you need you,4269.36,5.16
+know we know the brand is bad okay the,4271.88,4.98
+brand is bad but they are doing crypto,4274.52,4.32
+for good uh it's gonna play a big role,4276.86,3.6
+in the future and we thank you so much,4278.84,4.319
+for your you know help on that Andy I,4280.46,5.42
+see I have a hand raise,4283.159,2.721
+uh yeah I wanted to talk a little bit,4286.159,4.141
+about funding and also I'm one of those,4288.26,3.54
+people with a bad crypto taste in my,4290.3,2.76
+mouth and listening to some of you guys,4291.8,3.3
+stuff is the only like interesting use,4293.06,3.84
+cases I've heard anybody really talk,4295.1,4.68
+about you know using it for verification,4296.9,4.74
+um I'm not into crypto but blockchain's,4299.78,4.32
+fascinating for other uh other,4301.64,4.26
+applications,4304.1,5.16
+um with the hearing yesterday and some,4305.9,4.56
+of the chatter that's going on this,4309.26,2.64
+isn't an original idea there's been,4310.46,2.699
+mention of this around the Discord,4311.9,2.759
+server,4313.159,2.161
+um,4314.659,3.06
+I think it would be a good idea for us,4315.32,3.48
+to,4317.719,3.601
+apply for some funding I think that,4318.8,4.439
+we're as configured probably not ready,4321.32,3.6
+to quite do that I just Richard might,4323.239,4.201
+have brought this up at one point uh you,4324.92,4.319
+know it's an it's an issue that we,4327.44,3.84
+should talk about it's something that we,4329.239,3.601
+probably could use we have ongoing,4331.28,3.36
+projects now somebody earlier mentioned,4332.84,4.68
+getting some funding for compute power,4334.64,4.14
+um obviously there are a variety of,4337.52,2.82
+different kinds of research that are,4338.78,3.959
+enabled by funding technical research as,4340.34,4.08
+well as survey research public opinion,4342.739,3.0
+kind of stuff that we might be able to,4344.42,3.299
+to use and also kinds of marketing,4345.739,3.241
+things that help us get our messaging,4347.719,5.281
+out so uh there are going to be a lot of,4348.98,5.94
+options for that I think one of the best,4353.0,3.48
+ideas that I've seen out there and again,4354.92,3.0
+I think it was Richard but I'm not sure,4356.48,3.6
+it was somebody on the Discord uh,4357.92,3.779
+mentioned that you know organizations,4360.08,4.099
+that are kind of,4361.699,5.101
+decentralized-ish at least and largely,4364.179,5.141
+volunteer to start full prey to funding,4366.8,4.98
+problems on a pretty regular basis uh,4369.32,4.2
+it's very easy to mismanage it's very,4371.78,4.08
+easy to get lost in the weeds or grow,4373.52,4.32
+confusion within the organization about,4375.86,3.42
+where money's coming from and what's,4377.84,3.54
+being done with it so I think one of the,4379.28,4.26
+best ideas that I've seen out there and,4381.38,3.54
+okay awesome Richard can you please,4383.54,3.6
+speak up if uh if I'm off track with,4384.92,3.66
+what you're thinking and I think it was,4387.14,3.72
+David posted it in one of the channels,4388.58,4.44
+was about possibly incorporating as a,4390.86,5.879
+501c3 if you incorporate as a 501c3 part,4393.02,5.159
+of what you do to develop your Charter,4396.739,2.881
+is you develop a management structure,4398.179,3.181
+and within that we would all be able to,4399.62,4.5
+come together as a as an organization,4401.36,5.4
+and devise what kind of structure that,4404.12,4.2
+we want and then within that we could,4406.76,3.419
+devise our own transparency regarding,4408.32,2.879
+Treasury,4410.179,3.901
+and also that gives us an opportunity to,4411.199,4.98
+start thinking about you know one of one,4414.08,3.06
+of the questions that always comes up,4416.179,2.52
+with any organization is what are we,4417.14,3.24
+spending the money on well that's a,4418.699,3.54
+great question if you're about to try to,4420.38,4.44
+apply for a bunch of Grants I you know,4422.239,4.261
+you are immediately going to want to,4424.82,3.359
+look out at what the opportunities are,4426.5,3.659
+that exist what opportunities might be,4428.179,3.721
+able to be created because you can of,4430.159,2.701
+course create your own grant,4431.9,2.4
+opportunities by just sending the right,4432.86,2.94
+proposal to the right person sometimes,4434.3,3.84
+and you know other opportunities that we,4435.8,5.46
+might be able to uh to do I think,4438.14,4.2
+there's going to be a lot of public,4441.26,2.939
+sector money coming out of this this is,4442.34,3.899
+another area where I think that seeing,4444.199,3.781
+the conservative side of the aisle come,4446.239,3.661
+interested yesterday at the hearing,4447.98,4.679
+bodes well for the likelihood that we're,4449.9,4.14
+going to see some funding poured into,4452.659,3.601
+this uh some of them are looking at it,4454.04,4.08
+from a personal privacy and rights,4456.26,4.439
+standpoint some of them from a uh you,4458.12,4.38
+know from a military defense standpoint,4460.699,5.221
+and regardless of whether that's all,4462.5,5.04
+aligns with what we're trying to do,4465.92,3.96
+these people are all potentially allies,4467.54,4.92
+in this conversation and this fight and,4469.88,3.66
+then you know on the other side of the,4472.46,2.16
+aisle you have people who are just,4473.54,2.22
+always interested in funding more,4474.62,2.64
+Science and Tech stuff and if we find,4475.76,2.7
+people who are kind of working,4477.26,3.24
+Partnerships or leaning to the left they,4478.46,3.779
+should be even easier to approach if,4480.5,3.54
+we're organized and appear really,4482.239,3.42
+legitimate,4484.04,2.94
+um I just the first couple days I've,4485.659,3.181
+been here I've met like some of the,4486.98,3.12
+craziest people I think I've ever met,4488.84,2.94
+it's like you know a psychologist here,4490.1,3.66
+and a neuroscientist here and a high-end,4491.78,4.08
+mathematician taught circles around me,4493.76,4.2
+you know over here I make role-playing,4495.86,3.42
+games and I have a public administration,4497.96,3.779
+Masters and I feel like that's,4499.28,4.379
+been pretty low tier compared to some of,4501.739,3.121
+the people that I've run into around,4503.659,2.401
+here,4504.86,2.64
+um and then also just a lot of curious,4506.06,3.119
+minds interested in building these,4507.5,4.14
+projects I think the you know High AGI,4509.179,4.201
+and and uh,4511.64,4.2
+and Ethos really interesting the speed,4513.38,4.98
+with which it came together and also you,4515.84,3.899
+know part of what drew a lot of people,4518.36,3.72
+here is David's experimentation and the,4519.739,3.541
+accessibility of the heuristic,4522.08,2.28
+imperatives,4523.28,3.06
+it's very easy for people to play with,4524.36,4.799
+this get on chat EBT put them in and ask,4526.34,4.74
+it some existential questions give it a,4529.159,4.321
+quandary anyone can do it and then you,4531.08,3.9
+start to experiment with it and see some,4533.48,4.4
+results for yourself so we have,4534.98,5.28
+experimentation and some data and,4537.88,4.9
+results we have a team of fiercely data,4540.26,4.979
+driven and interested people uh with a,4542.78,4.5
+wide variety of backgrounds and I mean,4545.239,4.801
+you know not to be cynical or Coy about,4547.28,4.5
+it but you don't need to reinvent the,4550.04,3.3
+wheel to break Grant proposals I had,4551.78,3.48
+chat EPT right here Grant proposal in,4553.34,3.54
+five minutes the other day and it was I,4555.26,3.3
+would want to edit it a little bit but,4556.88,2.7
+it was great,4558.56,2.7
+like it was fine I mean at a certain,4559.58,2.82
+point you're going to State what you're,4561.26,2.52
+going to do you're going to get the,4562.4,3.06
+money or you're not you don't have to be,4563.78,4.02
+very flowery or eloquent,4565.46,4.98
+um I think that we could probably get a,4567.8,4.859
+pretty high output of Engagement a,4570.44,5.4
+pretty good return of some kind of,4572.659,5.52
+Project funding and what it really does,4575.84,5.399
+overall is it lets us,4578.179,4.921
+breathe some life into some of what,4581.239,4.44
+we're doing and and push the most,4583.1,5.46
+important and significant usable results,4585.679,5.581
+further into the conversation it has the,4588.56,4.8
+potential to make gato like uh,4591.26,5.939
+you know a common a common acronym that,4593.36,5.4
+people say in,4597.199,3.301
+I'm not going to use the right word a,4598.76,4.38
+common uh a common word that people say,4600.5,4.8
+when they talk about AI development you,4603.14,3.24
+know it's,4605.3,2.82
+when you're a non-profit organization,4606.38,5.339
+and you're doing visibly worthwhile work,4608.12,7.2
+and people can see that I mean it kind,4611.719,5.401
+of snowballs for you and I think as far,4615.32,3.899
+as launching this into a bigger public,4617.12,4.86
+presence so ultimately is the goal to,4619.219,4.861
+weave it into the fabric of the AI you,4621.98,4.739
+know ethical and Industrial Development,4624.08,5.099
+I think a 501c3 is a really good idea,4626.719,3.48
+for that,4629.179,3.601
+and I think and I think it would have a,4630.199,4.621
+lot of draw there aren't going to be a,4632.78,3.78
+ton of organized efforts ready to reach,4634.82,4.14
+out with professional products and,4636.56,4.92
+projects and professional staff,4638.96,4.92
+and say you know give us the money to,4641.48,4.5
+work on this ethical alignment and we,4643.88,3.6
+can do it too on the private side it's,4645.98,2.88
+not just the government I mean I think,4647.48,3.96
+open AI Microsoft all these companies,4648.86,5.04
+are looking for input,4651.44,4.14
+um there's a reason Google mentions the,4653.9,3.299
+open source people pulling ahead and,4655.58,3.24
+it's not just because we figure out how,4657.199,3.601
+to make nice compute model or like nice,4658.82,4.56
+models on limited compute and then give,4660.8,4.379
+them to our friends for free it's there,4663.38,3.72
+there's a lot more to it than that and I,4665.179,3.961
+think part of it is that they're,4667.1,3.72
+you know they don't have all these,4669.14,3.9
+problems solved themselves they know the,4670.82,3.96
+fabric of development is much wider than,4673.04,3.3
+just them so I think this is a good,4674.78,4.26
+opportunity if we wanted to do this,4676.34,4.98
+awesome thank you for your thoughts Andy,4679.04,3.9
+thank you for joining the team and for,4681.32,3.419
+the wisdom and energy you've brought to,4682.94,5.219
+it uh Kyle I'd like to uh hand the floor,4684.739,4.44
+to you if you'd like to introduce,4688.159,4.52
+yourself and share your thoughts,4689.179,3.5
+uh is it microphone picking up properly,4694.219,2.881
+on this,4696.14,3.42
+you're good okay yeah so I'm Prometheus,4697.1,3.96
+if you guys haven't realized from the,4699.56,3.48
+Discord so I just wanted to take maybe,4701.06,4.619
+62 minutes here 60 seconds two minutes,4703.04,4.679
+Dimension so what I'm working on is kind,4705.679,4.321
+of our Persona layer so even before,4707.719,5.161
+anyone was talking about Sparks of AGI I,4710.0,6.0
+noticed early on that chat GPT and GPT,4712.88,5.339
+systems in general had a vast ability to,4716.0,4.82
+work in Persona systems and in reference,4718.219,5.401
+everybody's seen generally the movie her,4720.82,5.44
+and we've seen Sam and so what I'm,4723.62,4.14
+working on could be called an engagement,4726.26,3.78
+layer on top of our ethical layer,4727.76,4.86
+because I think there's a deep need for,4730.04,5.24
+people to see a relatable Communications,4732.62,5.579
+engagement layer between humankind and,4735.28,4.6
+AI that allow them to actually,4738.199,3.901
+understand these systems and allow the,4739.88,4.02
+systems to grow alongside the individual,4742.1,4.8
+user that will actually help expand all,4743.9,4.319
+of these goals and improve all,4746.9,2.88
+deliverables and I don't want to get,4748.219,2.881
+into anything deeper than that because,4749.78,2.64
+it gets really esoteric and,4751.1,3.18
+psychological but I thought I'd add a,4752.42,3.54
+little blurb to mention some of the,4754.28,4.7
+other stuff we're doing as well,4755.96,3.02
+awesome thank you so much Kyle uh yeah,4760.88,5.4
+you bring such fantastic ideas from the,4763.52,5.46
+group and uh I'd like to move over to,4766.28,5.36
+David again,4768.98,2.66
+you are currently needed my bad,4774.44,5.34
+um Ansel actually did you want to have a,4778.159,3.841
+final thought before I close this out,4779.78,4.14
+yeah I just wanted to say something real,4782.0,4.739
+quick uh mostly for the viewer's sake um,4783.92,4.259
+and someone like me who doesn't really,4786.739,3.0
+know much about business can you explain,4788.179,4.741
+one of 502 501 is mostly for the beer,4789.739,6.48
+and another uh comment real quick uh you,4792.92,4.62
+mentioned that we have psychologists,4796.219,3.121
+which is something that's very,4797.54,4.44
+interesting for me on our,4799.34,5.399
+on our Discord especially since we're uh,4801.98,4.259
+mostly focused on Layer Two the,4804.739,4.201
+cognitive architecture I started I,4806.239,4.201
+started saying we should maybe just call,4808.94,3.239
+not call them psychologists they're Robo,4810.44,3.66
+psychologists at this point because what,4812.179,3.961
+a lot of the things they're doing is is,4814.1,4.619
+uh thinking uh about this stuff at the,4816.14,4.5
+high level right like they think about,4818.719,4.861
+the loops like what is is logical steps,4820.64,5.22
+of how the the information flows in the,4823.58,4.38
+brain and and how you process it and,4825.86,4.02
+we're the ones just building stuff yes,4827.96,3.48
+we can have our own ideas but they're,4829.88,3.66
+the ones that know more about,4831.44,5.279
+how how to apply cognition to oh you,4833.54,5.28
+look at the queen ants how to apply,4836.719,4.041
+commission to,4838.82,4.8
+uh actual agents now if you excuse me,4840.76,5.76
+I'll need to save this,4843.62,2.9
+all right well you heard here first,4846.8,4.26
+folks uh,4848.84,5.399
+queen ant and uh Robo psychology you,4851.06,4.74
+know we have new Fields being born and,4854.239,3.0
+God oh it's fantastic I don't know if,4855.8,3.72
+you can see it but there she is it's,4857.239,4.261
+interesting to think that they're landed,4859.52,2.699
+on me,4861.5,3.42
+a convergence within the eventual,4862.219,5.94
+solving of the internal Transformer,4864.92,5.279
+workings problem that that a lot of,4868.159,3.661
+mathematicians are very deeply worried,4870.199,3.48
+about that leads to a convergence of,4871.82,3.54
+kind of like neuropsychology and,4873.679,3.381
+Mathematics on a level that's like,4875.36,4.62
+deeply important for humans to continue,4877.06,4.72
+working with more and more advanced,4879.98,3.179
+machines that's I think that's an,4881.78,3.899
+interesting possibility uh real quick a,4883.159,4.621
+501c3 is a kind of non-profit,4885.679,4.02
+organization generally in the United,4887.78,3.84
+States 501c designations are all,4889.699,4.621
+nonprofits 501c3 is our non-profit,4891.62,4.619
+typically volunteer organizations that,4894.32,4.5
+serve a particular kind of cause,4896.239,4.141
+um it could be anything from dog,4898.82,4.68
+shelters to housing the homeless Etc,4900.38,5.4
+um and then another one that we might,4903.5,3.659
+qualify under but I don't think quite,4905.78,3.72
+fits the bills of 501c6 which is a Trade,4907.159,4.5
+Organization or I think it's a C4 it's a,4909.5,4.739
+Trade Organization but I don't think I,4911.659,3.781
+don't know this is something that we,4914.239,2.701
+could talk about but the 501c,4915.44,4.52
+designation represents uh uh federally,4916.94,5.219
+tax-exempt non-profit organization,4919.96,3.759
+station in the United States that,4922.159,4.141
+typically is in well positioned to apply,4923.719,4.561
+for money in in different ways for uh,4926.3,3.899
+providing a service,4928.28,5.82
+okay thanks about that yeah no problem,4930.199,6.181
+that was a useful clarification Dave go,4934.1,3.36
+ahead,4936.38,4.14
+all right well first thanks everyone for,4937.46,5.759
+jumping in for such a robust and,4940.52,5.219
+wide-ranging discussion,4943.219,4.98
+um you know we we obviously used the,4945.739,4.801
+Senate hearing as a touch point we're,4948.199,4.201
+all here working on the gato framework,4950.54,4.56
+which is our answer to the global,4952.4,5.22
+alignment problem gato stands for Global,4955.1,5.639
+alignment taxonomy Omnibus uh probably,4957.62,5.039
+should have opened with that,4960.739,4.201
+um but uh so I just wanted to share a,4962.659,4.261
+little bit on layer four which is,4964.94,5.16
+Corporate adoption as we close out so we,4966.92,5.1
+do have several,4970.1,4.74
+um uh major players in the gato uh,4972.02,5.34
+Community already some of whom are,4974.84,4.68
+already creating initiatives inside,4977.36,4.62
+their companies to adopt the heuristic,4979.52,3.84
+imperatives,4981.98,3.66
+um some of them come from my patreon and,4983.36,3.9
+they they tell me there's been a few,4985.64,3.059
+experiments already that they've done,4987.26,3.36
+and they tell me that adding heuristic,4988.699,4.52
+imperatives to um to various AI,4990.62,6.42
+applications pretty much always raises,4993.219,6.94
+the level of of the performance of their,4997.04,4.92
+systems it's kind of like the uh let's,5000.159,3.841
+think through this step-by-step paper,5001.96,4.44
+um but it it it it amplifies the,5004.0,4.5
+performance of everything whether it's,5006.4,4.44
+trying to uh just have a basic customer,5008.5,4.199
+service chat bot or an internal chatbot,5010.84,4.26
+or automating science,5012.699,4.141
+um because it gives it that perspective,5015.1,3.24
+that it needs,5016.84,2.7
+um so part of what we're going to be,5018.34,3.54
+working on with the gato framework is,5019.54,5.4
+creating a corporate adoption material,5021.88,5.22
+like guidelines of here's how to deploy,5024.94,3.96
+aligned uh you know heuristically,5027.1,4.44
+aligned systems that sort of stuff and,5028.9,5.279
+then of course um Ansel and John are,5031.54,4.02
+working on,5034.179,3.601
+um their own stuff which uh some of it's,5035.56,4.44
+open source some of it might be uh you,5037.78,4.02
+know for-profit who knows where where,5040.0,3.179
+they'll end up but they're working very,5041.8,3.18
+hard entering competitions and,5043.179,4.081
+everything uh with their stuff,5044.98,4.8
+on the topic of creating a non-profit so,5047.26,3.6
+this is something that we started,5049.78,4.379
+talking about uh within the last week,5050.86,6.359
+um and so to if we create like a gato,5054.159,4.861
+Foundation,5057.219,3.361
+um you know obviously one of the the,5059.02,2.82
+first thing we're going to be doing is,5060.58,2.76
+publishing the gato framework that's,5061.84,3.42
+going to be a document that's going to,5063.34,4.56
+be free open source uh but above and,5065.26,4.68
+beyond that some of the things that we,5067.9,4.62
+probably would work on is publishing,5069.94,5.279
+open source data sets and models uh that,5072.52,4.62
+are aligned and some of these might just,5075.219,3.96
+be toy data sets and toy models just to,5077.14,3.96
+show that it works,5079.179,3.781
+um there are probably also going to be a,5081.1,4.68
+lot along the lines of rlhi which is,5082.96,4.14
+reinforcement learning with heuristic,5085.78,2.939
+imperatives as opposed to reinforcement,5087.1,4.74
+learning with human feedback,5088.719,4.861
+um and one thing I forgot to mention,5091.84,3.6
+earlier is that I was very happy that,5093.58,3.599
+they mentioned mentioned constitutional,5095.44,4.08
+AI quite a few times during the Senate,5097.179,4.261
+hearing um so that's a push in the right,5099.52,4.38
+direction another thing that we'll be,5101.44,5.52
+working on uh if we if we establish as,5103.9,5.759
+an profit and get funding is publishing,5106.96,5.219
+guidelines and research papers obviously,5109.659,4.321
+up to this point we're all kind of,5112.179,3.48
+hacking it together on GitHub and,5113.98,3.6
+Discord and everything else so we need,5115.659,3.721
+to get a little bit more legitimate we,5117.58,5.54
+do have plenty of academic types,5119.38,7.2
+in education at all levels in the group,5123.12,5.68
+and so some of those are reinforcement,5126.58,5.04
+learning researchers mathematicians I,5128.8,5.16
+think we have a physicist or two,5131.62,4.5
+um so you know we're we're getting,5133.96,5.1
+plugged into the academic side of things,5136.12,4.619
+so that we can get some more legitimacy,5139.06,4.22
+by publishing peer-reviewed papers,5140.739,4.561
+obviously that will give us a lot more,5143.28,4.48
+legitimacy another thing that's a little,5145.3,4.26
+bit probably further down the road is,5147.76,3.6
+actually providing onboarding services,5149.56,4.5
+for corporations municipalities and,5151.36,6.359
+Nations so basically the idea is we will,5154.06,6.36
+help develop and deploy a line systems,5157.719,5.041
+whether it's models autonomous agents or,5160.42,4.56
+those decentralized networks like Dao's,5162.76,4.32
+and blockchains there's a lot of work to,5164.98,3.78
+be done there but that is definitely on,5167.08,3.599
+our roadmap and then finally just,5168.76,4.5
+providing messaging and education,5170.679,4.681
+um you know as was mentioned earlier we,5173.26,5.34
+have we have web content creators we,5175.36,5.16
+have graphic artists we have video music,5178.6,3.36
+producers we've got all kinds of,5180.52,4.04
+creative types and uh you know,5181.96,5.759
+multimodal right I'm a writer not,5184.56,4.9
+everyone learns by reading we're,5187.719,4.141
+producing videos images Graphics memes,5189.46,5.4
+everything that we can so that is is,5191.86,4.2
+kind of where we're heading with the,5194.86,2.72
+gato framework,5196.06,4.38
+and so thanks everyone for being here,5197.58,4.78
+thanks everyone in the audience for,5200.44,4.62
+watching and I also want to send a,5202.36,4.74
+particular thanks out to my patreon,5205.06,4.8
+supporters uh this I have just shy of,5207.1,5.82
+600 patreon supporters as of today this,5209.86,4.98
+work would not be possible without the,5212.92,4.86
+Grassroots support from patreon so thank,5214.84,5.16
+you everyone out there for supporting me,5217.78,5.16
+so that I can help drive this ship and,5220.0,5.219
+uh yeah with any luck we will avoid the,5222.94,4.32
+cataclysmic outcomes the dystopian,5225.219,3.541
+outcomes nobody wants to live in a,5227.26,3.84
+cyberpunk Hell and we're uh we're on,5228.76,5.64
+track for uh achieving Utopia uh you,5231.1,4.5
+know there is still lots of work to do,5234.4,2.88
+but we're moving in the right direction,5235.6,4.2
+so thanks everyone have a great night or,5237.28,4.14
+good morning whenever you happen to,5239.8,3.359
+watch this cheers,5241.42,4.94
+cheers everyone right,5243.159,3.201