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again for another poetry class so let me welcome

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all of you again today. Today's class is a new poem

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it's about a new poem a new poet

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But the same period. So today we're going to see

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Christopher Marlowe, one of the most famous

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lyricists and pastoral poetry writers or poets.

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But today's angle is going to be a little bit

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different. Different in, I'm not going to explore

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the poem in detail today, but rather to create a

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context which might reveal the multifaceted

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meanings of the poem itself. So, as usual, we

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start by listening to one or two reports. Then one

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or two responses in poetry, if you remember. After

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that, we'll hold a debate. Either I bring a panel

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here. We bring a panel like you here, a couple of

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people, and you debate. And I'll be in the middle

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just trying to flare up that debate. And perhaps

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try to make you, yeah, it would be a nice idea to

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have a panel here. Yes? Okay, this is today's

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class. Hopefully, this will be a springboard for

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next class, okay? So today, we're not going to go

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deeper into the background, the historical

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background or the cultural background, but we're

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going to have a preparatory class for next class,

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okay? Good. Let's listen as usual for a report. I

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think you have never read a report. Okay, good.

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You come here.

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Good morning. All of us know poetry classes start

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at night. As usually, Mr. Habib comes in the time.

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Then, he selects one or two to read their reports.

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Also, if we have a new poem, he will ask one or

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two to read their response. After that, he begins

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to explain. So, last class, he continued the

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Spencer's poem, Poem Explained. He analyzed all

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aspects of it. Also, Mrs. Amal came and shared Mr.

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Habib to explain the rhyme of the poem. And a lot

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of students joined with teacher in discussion it.

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Finally, he finished the Spencer poem and called

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us to prepare a new one for Marlow, and he ordered

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from us to try to write response for it in poetic

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form. He asked us, thank you very much. You know,

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Amal, okay, it's not the message. She's mess, you

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know. So this is good news, you know, for the

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future, not now. Okay, good. Thank you very much.

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Thank you for having the courage. You know, I

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think you started to write very well. And this is a,

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you know, good. Because I felt like you've

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been, we've been teaching poetry for I think a

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month now. Almost like this is the fourth week and

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I feel that some students like critique develop

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Their way of writing, you know, they started to

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see writing like an easier thing. Okay, still we

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have the guts to listen to another report. Okay, yes.

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Yes, please just come here.

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It's not a problem. It's short, laconic. You mean

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like... Good morning. I sit to write my report and

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ask myself what can I write my feeling during the

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lecture or my feeling... I ask myself what I can

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write. This is an indirect question. Yes. Not what

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can I write. You know? Okay. or my feelings about

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the last poem. It was boring to write about a bus

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event every day as you're writing a daily report.

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I sit and imagine how to start an attractive report

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because I lose my words, but it is not true. I

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start to get new words, new ideas, new

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imagination. Then I realize it is a useful way to

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develop our writing and thinking. Yes, thank you.

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That's right. So at some point like you might

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reach like, hey, I don't have anything to write

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about. And then, you know, here the point of

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creativity starts when you don't have when you

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find writing a report is a boring issue. So then

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you you find any hook. Like to start with and then

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to weave your story or your narrative. So this is

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like the most wonderful thing about the report.

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Plus, it is a way to vent out, you know, your if

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you are not happy with something, it's good. Good.

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Yes. What response? Wow. Like a lot of people want

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to respond. Yes. You just go. Now, I need to

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listen to several responses. Why? Because this

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will help you now to vote, because there will be

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voting whether to go or not to go. So here, we'll

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see how many people who would say, OK, I like to

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go. It's good. And how many people who want to

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say, no, I'm not going. Good. So the first word,

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I'm going. Yes. Let's see. I'm going to the valley

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where the water flow. I will use the wall and the

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rest I will draw. And the candid tears will melt

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the snow. The picture of happiness I will draw.

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And for sadness, he said no. A suitable figure of

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speech, he drew. The natural romantic language used

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was suitable for you. Themes of simplicity and

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love, that's what he want us to know. But for her,

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she might say bye and go. This was a nice poem

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from Marlow and what Dr. Akram want us to know.

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Okay, thank you. Clap for her. Yeah, but it's good

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response, like you respond to a poem by poetry,

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but it's good that you are listing, you know, the

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elements of persuasion. You know, she started to

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talk about like the promises, the lovely things he

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promised, the natural life, the romantic scenes of

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the countryside. Good. Yes.

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I will not go. Okay, good. Answer to, answer to

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what? Because you are my relative, you know she's

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not going. Sorry Marlo, I can't go with you in

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your world. There is a lot of things inside me

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warn me. This is not acceptable, and in my society

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this is not available. My religion forbids that,

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and I must accept it. You entice me by something

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unreal, and I have been waiting for something

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greater and glorious. I am with you that these are

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unattractive things, but I try to make myself away

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from it. You are a sensitive and a romantic man,

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but I try to be a realistic one. I am a Muslim, so

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I have to respect my Islam. Allah prohibited this

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splendor, so I have to obey his order. So try to

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forgive me I can't come. At least I will have a

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heaven and a paradise which Allah prepared for us.

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Wow, good. Thank you very much. I think she

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succeeded in persuading, in dissuading you not to

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go. But let's see somebody who will persuade. It's

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fun, you know. Yes, Rawan, like, and I think

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Khawla as well. So today, we're supposed to listen

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to many responses. Good. The shepherd invites his

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love to come with him to live in the countryside,

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which contains pleasures of all kinds, to enjoy

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the nature sights. Is he out of his mind? With no

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future defined, there is no brandy the lady can

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find. So this is like a cynical attitude. No

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future, nothing realistic. The same concern is

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shared by her, like nothing is real, nothing is

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concrete. All of these are just promises in the

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air. Good. I just can't decide whether he's being

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ridiculous or serious. He wants to watch the

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river, but he didn't bother himself to make any

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offer. Even if he brought a rose, he didn't do

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both. He wants to hear the birds sing. Yeah, like

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here, there is a way out as a Muslim, you know.

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Okay. Like, if there is like a formal proposal you

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know and a formal you know relationship, like it's

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a you know marriage relationship, so this kind of

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you know relationship would be legal, and as a

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Muslim we will respond eagerly. You know? So there

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are limitations for us as Muslims, you know, this

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doesn't appeal to us unless we have certain, you

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know, prerequisites to be achieved. He wants to

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hear the bird sing, but he didn't bring any wing.

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It seemed that the lady never cared because her

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response was never heard. Yeah, you are detaching

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yourself. You talk about the lady, and because I

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think this poem was addressed to us. Good. The

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last one, Khaoula, if you know. Okay. Yes,

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Khaoula. So we have so far like three people, like

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refusing to go. Yes. Good morning. To His Love is

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a poem written by Marlow. It's the fifth time I

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write a response for the poem, but I feel, I feel now

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there is no difficulty in writing. After I read

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the poem loudly, the words, the style, and even

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the theme attract my attention. It's the first

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time the poet invites his beloved to come and to

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be his wife, so this is a new style in our

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studying of poetry. I face some difficulties with

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I faced some difficulties, whereas actually, but I

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tried to understand it throughout the context.

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Marlow used an image which is an imaginative image

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because I don't think there is an image like he

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narrated. He invites his beloved to come and to

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live with him in the countryside where everything

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will be deposited to serve them. They will sit

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upon the rocks and watch the shepherd feeding

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their flocks. This image reflects his mood and

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attitude. All images from nature, and as hills,

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valleys, flowers and mountains. Finally, I just

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want to say that Marlow was succeeded in using

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language to convince his beloved to live with him,

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and he's an optimistic one, so I... Thank you,

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thank you. Okay, good. Yes, the last one, because,

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you know, this is like a good introduction for

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like the debate. Let's see who will be here and

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who will be here, you know? Okay. Superficial, my

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love, seems your verse. As of nature, you seem

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more fascinated than me. Those pleasures you speak

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of for me, better or worse, seems not to matter,

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for it's you who will see. Those silver dishes of

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meat you speak of are my curse, for who will

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prepare for the idle shepherd his provisions? Get

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real, man, of you, after this, I'm not a great

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fan. Okay, thank you very much. Okay, now I want

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to see people here like to come, see people who do

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to escape from this. And the other would say,

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yeah, you might be right. I think I might share

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you. I respect your point of view. But let me

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disagree with you. So whenever you disagree with

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each other, use best language, OK? Let's see i

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think you have the invitation you received the 

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invitation so why did you decide not to go yes i

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decided

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mind say to me no. That first of all my values, my

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culture, my religion forbid that. That because the

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illegal relationship between men and

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women is not acceptable in our society. So the

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best way to connect the man and the woman if she 

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wants to go with him is the marriage. So I will

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not go. Now they say, like, I think the poem, you

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know, I don't know, like, let's see what they are

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going to say. Yes? I want to say that while they

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are seeing things like this, that it is forbidden

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and it is like they are going to a legal 

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relationship, why not? I am with my mind, I'm not

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mindless, so I can decide what's right and what's 

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wrong. So why not a place of mountains, valleys,

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roses, flowers, walls and relaxation? It's

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something nice. So she thinks like it's good like

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to have your own decision and to go, you know. Of

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course, like she didn't talk about the 

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restrictions. Let's see here. Yes, another support 

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like I'll change position, you know. Allow me to 

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disagree with both of them because here i do not 

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think that he specified you know you know you can 

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you have to go you know for an illegal

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relationship i think the main focus of the poem is

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about the pastoral side and the pastoral way of 

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life so what i think of it i think that the 

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attitude that marlo himself uh took is one that is

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very idle he idealized everything um not

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everything is always positive not everything is 

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always rosy and flowery there is always a positive 

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and negative side for everything he he talked

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about the shepherd's singing singing he talked

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about him watching everything he seems like really 

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lazy and idle he seems like he's just making 

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everything like uh heavenly for her Although she

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needs to realize that this is not a lifetime 

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honeymoon. It's going to be hard to live on, you

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know, on a regular basis this way of life. She can

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go for a visit, you know what I mean? But it's not

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going to be practical and it's not going to be

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realistic. You are buffing us. You are in the 

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middle. You should be in the middle here. And you

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know what? You made your team lose a point, you

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know? So I would say, one, nail you know okay so 

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you have to be adamant you have to be stubborn 

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good now good like you see like you want a point 

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yes like uh well for me i would say i would go 

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because of the nature of our life civilized life I 

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would, for me, I would go because of, you know,

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the nature of our daily life, civilized life. We

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hardly even notice the tree that we cross. So 

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going to a pastoral area would actually be a nice 

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holiday. It would be a nice holiday, yes? Yes.

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Okay, go ahead. It would be a very nice holiday 

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for me to ponder and to look around for the trees

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and all the things that he said he would do. So 

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yes, I would go for relaxation. You would go out.

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You are attracted by all these scenes and beauty, 

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yes?

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neither than idols so even if there was a like

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beauty in life outside life but there's still even 

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no matter how life can be complex but we can live 

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without it and we can cope with it yeah and he

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didn't even he didn't make any promise that he 

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would stay with her or marry her or even a long

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-term relationship he just said come with me so

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she didn't have like but is he going to be the you

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know the only one in the countryside this is the

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question they might say he's not going to be the

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only one you know there will be a lot of people a

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lot of shepherds a lot of swains you know okay i

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don't believe him I feel like I feel like he's 

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being very like he's idealizing everything He says

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that the silver dishes of meat for for you who's

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going to make the silver dishes of meat It's gonna 

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be like make me some dinner for God's sake. That's 

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the way they're gonna act in the end It's you

308
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know, yeah, it's ridiculous. Let us read the

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imitation again. Who wants to read the imitation?

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like in a poet form it would be nice like to you

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can click this and yes and read the poem read the

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invitation uh i don't know yeah wow look come with 

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me and be my love and we will own the pleasures

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through the hills and the valleys dale and fields

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and all the craggy mountain hills There we will 

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sit upon the rocks, seeing the shepherds feed

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their flocks by shallow rivers, to whose forms the

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lodges birds sing mandolins. There will I make

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thee a bin of roses and a thousand fragrant roses,

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a cab of flowers and a curtain embroidered with

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leaves and myrtle, A gown? A gown made of the

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finest wool. A gown made of the finest wool, which

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from our pretty lamps we pull. Fair lines

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splattered, slippers for the cold, with packles of

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the purest gold. A belt of straw and ivory buds,

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with coral clasp and amber studs. If these 

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pleasures made thee move, come live with me and be

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my love. Thy silver dishes, for thy need, as

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precious as the goods to eat, shall on an ivory 

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table be prepared each day for thee and me. The 

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shepherds, the shepherds' swains, shall dance and 

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sing for thy delight each day in our name. If 

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these delights thy mind, they move, they live with 

334
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me and be my love I think it's very interesting

335
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like look here it is good thing for a lady like to

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be blind nowadays ladies are complaining they are

337
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cocking they are doing the kitchen work here as

338
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you see I don't believe him either he's not being 

339
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realistic what do you want to say yes

340
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as if she is a princess and she is controlling 

341
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everything around her and also them and himself is 

342
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controlled by her so she will feel like as if she

343
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is in heaven yeah she's in heaven you know like

344
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okay good and now I'm telling that he's being a 

345
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romantic not a ridiculous I don't know what okay

346
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there's nothing amazing in watching this hold on

347
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hold on let's let's go okay yeah you want to 

348
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repeat that again okay

349
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Yes, go ahead. Yes, I feel that everything is 

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ready for her and she will feel that she is a 

351
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princess and controlling everything around her. So 

352
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she will be having a special life, a very

353
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prestigious life. She will be feeling that

354
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everything is under her control.

355
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Yeah, what did you want to say? I wanted to say

356
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that he's being a romantic, not what they said, 

357
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ridiculous and stupid. He can't be romantic 24x7.

358
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He can't be romantic 24x7, like you can't, come 

359
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on, like be realistic. Be realistic, he's not

360
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realistic at all. He's not realistic. At all, like

361
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he's talking about the silver dishes of meat 

362
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prepared and the slippers and the baba arif meat.

363
00:24:05,860 --> 00:24:08,640
So do you think he's exaggerating? He's

364
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exaggerating so much and he's like, I don't know.

365
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Like he can be romantic but at the same time keep 

366
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balance. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but you know they 

367
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are 

368
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giving us a ground anything to help us actually I 

369
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don't know okay so okay now help him he's not 

370
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helping us helping him he's not helping us to help 

371
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him he's he's exaggerating yes

372
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we have one from the audience yes please 

373
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We are having one from the audience. I don't know,

374
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she's going to support either of the teams. I

375
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would go for his mind because you know this is 

376
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poetry it has to be some way for us we are the

377
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the hearers or the listeners of poetry it has to

378
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be a little bit exaggerated because it's an image 

379
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but when you come to real life and the pastoral

380
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life or in the countryside it is gonna be 

381
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realistic you are living in the real world but you

382
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are living in some other way because we didn't try 

383
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that we are facing some problems to imagine it to

384
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try to live in it but I'm gonna tell you something

385
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you are most of you are sad girls you don't have

386
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kids you're not married you're not you're not 

387
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already through all these problems to me I would

388
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go for a better life I would go to the countryside

389
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having all the concerns of a woman working outside

390
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she would go Give herself a break. It's not only a

391
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break. I'm looking for a life of stability here in 

392
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the country or in towns. maybe your work is close 

393
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to you maybe you don't have as in the countryside 

394
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to take hours to get to your work or to get

395
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whatever you want at the time you want but there 

396
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you will have a life of manners a life of 

397
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spontaneous people but let me hug you know the 

398
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,300
other guys like where is he inviting her to which

399
00:26:30,300 --> 00:26:35,790
place to the countryside did he you know identify 

400
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whose countryside it is like who is the owner of

401
00:26:38,970 --> 00:26:41,650
the countryside like you see what I mean so they

402
00:26:41,650 --> 00:26:45,590
think this is a reason which would persuade or 

403
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:49,650
dissuade okay okay let's see the other group yes

404
00:26:49,650 --> 00:26:53,030
do you think it's like if somebody invites you 

405
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like to a place which is not her place will you go

406
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I will go but I will know where is the place and I

407
00:27:03,300 --> 00:27:10,300
am well aware I will go by my reason to know where 

408
00:27:10,300 --> 00:27:13,800
is the place and to go with my relatives no with

409
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,620
man I have no relation with him but this is not 

410
00:27:16,620 --> 00:27:19,340
we're not talking about this somebody is inviting

411
00

445
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:53,820
life, a simple life, devoid of any sign or any 

446
00:29:53,820 --> 00:29:59,180
manifestation of, let's say, artificiality. Yes?

447
00:30:00,740 --> 00:30:05,600
You live with 

448
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:11,390
women. You don't care for... Don't fall in love.

449
00:30:11,890 --> 00:30:18,110
So that's her video. But when you fall in love... 

450
00:30:18,110 --> 00:30:21,290
So you forget all of these things, you know? Yeah, 

451
00:30:22,370 --> 00:30:25,390
but still like there are restrictions and rules.

452
00:30:25,610 --> 00:30:30,600
Okay, we will apply. But like... Teacher, let me

453
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,360
say something. I guess it's important. At their

454
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:38,460
time, the time they let in, it was so natural and 

455
00:30:38,460 --> 00:30:40,880
it was so normal to go and live in countryside.

456
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,040
Yes, so if it was a weekend time, it was fine. 

457
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:44,780
They didn't have lights, they didn't have

458
00:30:44,780 --> 00:30:47,560
electricity, internet, wireless, and all of these 

459
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,300
stuff we're caring about this moment. It was so,

460
00:30:50,380 --> 00:30:55,640
so regular. Well, I think yes, if we switch you,

461
00:30:56,220 --> 00:31:00,360
if we switch you like the other way, What are you 

462
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:06,440
going to say? They want to switch you? Sure. Okay, 

463
00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:09,940
you go. You go. Let's see. Let's see how you are

464
00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:12,680
going now. Say yes, we should go. It's good, you 

465
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,420
know. And you say we shouldn't go. This is a good 

466
00:31:15,420 --> 00:31:18,860
idea in debate. Now we are in difficult. Yeah, I 

467
00:31:18,860 --> 00:31:23,120
think this team, this team thinks it's a good idea 

468
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,940
to go. You know, it is good. and those people say 

469
00:31:26,940 --> 00:31:31,900
no we don't have to go it's very it's not good you 

470
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:37,200
want me to go because you want one of the 17th

471
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,460
century woman you want her to cook you want her to 

472
00:31:39,460 --> 00:31:41,880
wash your dishes you want her to work for you you

473
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,060
you don't want me to have my independence and my

474
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:48,100
own personality to go for my dreams and goals you

475
00:31:48,100 --> 00:31:50,840
just want me to stay home okay so she's protesting

476
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,050
against you know the stereotype image of uh you 

477
00:31:55,050 --> 00:32:02,370
know uh power you know lady yeah very good and yes

478
00:32:02,370 --> 00:32:05,730
please uh i don't think he knows who's who he's 

479
00:32:05,730 --> 00:32:08,130
dealing with i mean he's saying all of this and 

480
00:32:08,130 --> 00:32:11,230
now like it does sound like to me it does sound a 

481
00:32:11,230 --> 00:32:13,230
little bit superficial and a little bit 

482
00:32:13,230 --> 00:32:16,190
exaggerated but he doesn't know if he actually

483
00:32:16,190 --> 00:32:18,930
takes me and i don't find what i'm expecting he

484
00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:22,250
doesn't know what he's gonna be facing so it's all

485
00:32:22,250 --> 00:32:26,290
gonna be like so I think I think that I uh I would

486
00:32:26,290 --> 00:32:28,490
definitely go because I would love to live that

487
00:32:28,490 --> 00:32:30,750
moment I have nothing else to lose I mean it's an 

488
00:32:30,750 --> 00:32:32,870
experience look she she's excellent at

489
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:37,030
manipulating her position it's an experience it is

490
00:32:37,030 --> 00:32:38,990
an experience yeah I have nothing else to lose if 

491
00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:40,890
he if he doesn't you know satisfy me with 

492
00:32:40,890 --> 00:32:42,850
everything that he mentioned then you know 

493
00:32:42,850 --> 00:32:45,930
whatever for me I would go for some time and then

494
00:32:45,930 --> 00:32:56,030
go back to my life So let's now conclude 

495
00:32:56,030 --> 00:33:00,850
this wonderful debate. As you see, some people are 

496
00:33:00,850 --> 00:33:07,090
willing to go because it's nice, it's very, the

497
00:33:07,090 --> 00:33:10,010
pastoral life is nice. Some people are realistic.

498
00:33:10,730 --> 00:33:15,890
In fact, that was the case in Elizabethan time. We

499
00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:20,350
had two different attitudes. One was optimistic,

500
00:33:21,290 --> 00:33:24,650
cheerful, singing, celebrating the beauty, the

501
00:33:24,650 --> 00:33:28,710
simplicity of the countryside. And the other was 

502
00:33:28,710 --> 00:33:31,330
more realistic. So if we are talking about the 

503
00:33:31,330 --> 00:33:34,470
first one, we're talking about Martin Chapman and

504
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:37,690
Thomas Chapman and others. If we are talking about 

505
00:33:37,690 --> 00:33:42,670
the realistic, we are talking about running. So

506
00:33:42,670 --> 00:33:45,090
this is a late Elizabethan. In the late 

507
00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:49,120
Elizabethan, there was a spirit of nationalism It 

508
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:54,280
was a spirit of expansion. And the idea of America

509
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:58,020
was there. America was discovered. And America was 

510
00:33:58,020 --> 00:34:02,800
like the nomad land, which the poets invited. So 

511
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,560
you could say, these are the scenes of the

512
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,060
colonial language, the colonial discourse. Come 

513
00:34:10,060 --> 00:34:14,660
with me. Where? Which land? He didn't specify the 

514
00:34:14,660 --> 00:34:17,370
land. And that was the spirit. You could say,

515
00:34:17,670 --> 00:34:21,470
because in the Nazircan time, even before America

516
00:34:21,470 --> 00:34:25,610
was discovered, they kept on writing about this 

517
00:34:25,610 --> 00:34:30,450
place in their literature. They were writing about 

518
00:34:30,450 --> 00:34:35,470
this new land with indigenous people. But they 

519
00:34:35,470 --> 00:34:38,910
didn't specify it very well. So there was this is

520
00:34:38,910 --> 00:34:41,790
like a promotion, a promotion. The same thing

521
00:34:41,790 --> 00:34:46,330
happened when Palestine was occupied There was 

522
00:34:46,330 --> 00:34:49,050
like a lot of promotion by the Zionist media 

523
00:34:49,050 --> 00:34:52,870
where, you know, in order to attract many Jews

524
00:34:52,870 --> 00:34:55,090
from all over the world to come and live in

525
00:34:55,090 --> 00:34:58,290
Palestine, we had the same style to promote, come 

526
00:34:58,290 --> 00:35:01,150
to this land of honey. And of course, you know, 

527
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:06,470
they succeeded in attracting by through these 

528
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:10,370
images. So thank you very much, and we'll see you 

529
00:35:10,370 --> 00:35:15,160
in another class, huh? For another debate. Let me

530
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:15,720
assume.

531
00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:25,020
Yes. So as you see, next time, we have a good 

532
00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:28,660
context for this poem. In other classes, I know, 

533
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,360
and you might have a wonderful poem. So the 

534
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:38,930
critique next time is to discover the music. to

535
00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:43,970
discover the aesthetics you know because here this 

536
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:47,890
poem is a poem full of persuasion and you know the 

537
00:35:47,890 --> 00:35:52,430
art of persuasion is very important nowadays we

538
00:35:52,430 --> 00:35:56,880
need persuasion for business We need persuasion 

539
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:02,680
for, let's say, advocacy. The art of persuasion is

540
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,440
for recommendation because this is the art of 

541
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,980
life, so persuasion. So it's very important to

542
00:36:09,980 --> 00:36:17,440
delineate, to show what kind of persuasion, 

543
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,760
the elements of persuasion he's using here. I

544
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,720
would like to thank you for listening. And if you

545
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:27,240
have any question, you know, concerning this poem

546
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:30,460
and, you know, the age itself, it would be a good

547
00:36:30,460 --> 00:36:31,820
idea. Yes, please. 

548
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,480
Yes, I wouldn't go, you know, because, you know, I

549
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,760
would make sure that this is your place. You own

550
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,100
the place. Otherwise, I would be like a thief, you 

551
00:36:51,100 --> 00:36:54,680
know, even for watching. This is not my place. I 

552
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,680
have to take the permit. My religion, my values 

553
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,140
tell me that I have, you know, to make sure that 

554
00:37:02,140 --> 00:37:05,040
I'm not trespassing because this is trespassing.

555
00:37:05,420 --> 00:37:10,650
It's not ethical at all. It is not ethical. Nobody

556
00:37:10,650 --> 00:37:13,950
can invite me and say, OK, let's go to that field.

557
00:37:14,330 --> 00:37:16,970
I say, whose field it is? I should say, whose

558
00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:20,050
field it is? Because I want to make sure that I'm

559
00:37:20,050 --> 00:37:25,070
not trespassing. I'm not violating any rule. So

560
00:37:25,070 --> 00:37:28,850
this is the point. But this is pastoral poetry. 

561
00:37:29,270 --> 00:37:32,850
Next time you have to define what is pastoral 

562
00:37:32,850 --> 00:37:36,200
poetry, And we're going to discuss this further, 

563
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,640
because after discussing this poem, we're going to 

564
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,720
see, you know, the other one, Raleigh, how Raleigh

565
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,840
responded by writing The Nymph's Reply, because

566
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:51,670
this poem was parodized You know, it's not by, you 

567
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:56,390
know, Raleigh, but by many other poets. And, you

568
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:59,290
know, it lost its beauty. But we don't want to

569
00:37:59,290 --> 00:38:04,270
speak about any parody unless we explore the 

570
00:38:04,270 --> 00:38:06,310
aesthetics of this poem and see how it is

571
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:09,510
wonderful, how it is lovely. I would like to thank

572
00:38:09,510 --> 00:38:11,570
you and see you next time, okay? Bye-bye. 

573
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:20,020
Okay. Thank you for. Thanks.