1 00:00:12,260 --> 00:00:19,240 As-salamu alaykum. How are you? Good. 2 00:00:21,820 --> 00:00:27,630 So today, after listening to your reports, And 3 00:00:27,630 --> 00:00:30,330 we're planning to continue the debate we started 4 00:00:30,330 --> 00:00:33,930 last time. But this time, we are having a leader. 5 00:00:34,110 --> 00:00:38,930 So we are two leaders, me and Ms. Ahlam. We are 6 00:00:38,930 --> 00:00:41,890 going to debate. So she's going to choose a team 7 00:00:41,890 --> 00:00:46,350 or anybody who can go with her and come with me. 8 00:00:47,830 --> 00:00:50,510 And I ask you, if you remember last time, to 9 00:00:50,510 --> 00:00:55,270 search more. But before we start, I would be 10 00:00:55,270 --> 00:01:00,470 interested in listening to one report of yours. 11 00:01:07,810 --> 00:01:10,370 I want a different guess. 12 00:01:20,310 --> 00:01:23,230 Just come here, come here. Being absent for two 13 00:01:23,230 --> 00:01:25,290 sequential quarter lectures is something you can't 14 00:01:25,290 --> 00:01:27,790 describe, especially after your admiration to each 15 00:01:27,790 --> 00:01:30,730 word given in the class. Yeah, I was absent for 16 00:01:30,730 --> 00:01:32,410 two days and I didn't come to the university 17 00:01:32,410 --> 00:01:35,350 because of some syndromic circumstances. They told 18 00:01:35,350 --> 00:01:36,990 me about the collection of reports and the 19 00:01:36,990 --> 00:01:41,190 repetitive marks. Anyway, I watched the videos and 20 00:01:41,190 --> 00:01:43,310 they wrote my report, which is something necessary 21 00:01:43,310 --> 00:01:46,070 in my day. What happened in the last lecture 22 00:01:46,070 --> 00:01:49,110 remind me of what we did in Marlow and Relief, but 23 00:01:49,110 --> 00:01:52,650 now it is different. It's between two ideas or two 24 00:01:52,650 --> 00:01:55,790 themes in the same poem. We have to decide if this 25 00:01:55,790 --> 00:01:57,830 poem is about the industrial revolution or the 26 00:01:57,830 --> 00:02:00,570 poetic imagination. Two groups were debated and 27 00:02:00,570 --> 00:02:03,490 both of them gave good arguments and answers. For 28 00:02:03,490 --> 00:02:07,210 me, I really got confused. I am really confused 29 00:02:07,210 --> 00:02:09,630 that you can't say it is something for 30 00:02:09,630 --> 00:02:12,000 revolutionary poetry, because it's written in the 31 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,320 revolution time. Ordinarily, the poem will 32 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,080 represent the beginning of industrial revolution. 33 00:02:16,620 --> 00:02:18,560 However, when you see the words or the poems 34 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,700 itself, you can, it comes to your mind that it is 35 00:02:21,700 --> 00:02:24,600 talks, it talks about the botic imagination. I 36 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,980 really don't know, but for sure, after well 37 00:02:26,980 --> 00:02:30,300 analysis and my search and study, I will hopefully 38 00:02:30,300 --> 00:02:34,440 will reach the point. Thereafter, Dr. Habib shows 39 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,260 some videos that describe how England was and how 40 00:02:37,260 --> 00:02:39,600 the industrial revolution changed everything, even 41 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,500 the purity of countryside. Good, thank you very 42 00:02:43,500 --> 00:02:48,000 much. Yes, it seems like we succeeded in like 43 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,480 buffling you because that was the intention, like 44 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,240 to baffle you and to make you research more. 45 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,260 Because yes, you don't know what is it about. So 46 00:02:59,260 --> 00:03:01,880 you have to research and to see what is it about. 47 00:03:02,700 --> 00:03:05,800 Okay, yes. Jihan, do you want to redeem yourself 48 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:11,320 because you keep absent? And you don't like to see 49 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:16,860 the surprises? Do you know what the surprise? It 50 00:03:16,860 --> 00:03:20,300 sounds like a bad one. No, no, no. Okay. Okay. 51 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:24,620 It's a good one. You come here. Okay, this is more 52 00:03:24,620 --> 00:03:30,970 unbuffled as well. Tiger, tiger by Blake's hand In 53 00:03:30,970 --> 00:03:34,370 the night the eyes do stand Created by God burning 54 00:03:34,370 --> 00:03:37,130 bright And then by the poet another in sight 55 00:03:37,130 --> 00:03:40,930 Framed good and framed bad They say that's exactly 56 00:03:40,930 --> 00:03:44,730 industrial land But poetics I see a poet's stand 57 00:03:44,730 --> 00:03:49,590 So perplexing it may, it might Be this or that or 58 00:03:49,590 --> 00:03:52,830 a third invoked fright Well, good clap for her 59 00:03:52,830 --> 00:03:57,890 again. You know, she's hinting to the dilemma we 60 00:03:57,890 --> 00:04:02,310 have of interpretations. And today's class, as you 61 00:04:02,310 --> 00:04:05,770 know, the title of today's class, it is debating 62 00:04:05,770 --> 00:04:10,150 the different interpretations of Blake's The 63 00:04:10,150 --> 00:04:18,510 Tiger. So now, last time, we just tried like to to 64 00:04:18,510 --> 00:04:21,550 touch upon slightly two different interpretations. 65 00:04:22,470 --> 00:04:27,250 Like, the most prominent one is the one about, 66 00:04:27,510 --> 00:04:29,370 like, the tiger is about the industrial 67 00:04:29,370 --> 00:04:34,310 revolution. And the most intellectual one, you 68 00:04:34,310 --> 00:04:37,590 see, I would say, it is about the poetic 69 00:04:37,590 --> 00:04:40,490 imagination. It is about the artistic creation. 70 00:04:41,670 --> 00:04:45,710 So, like, we want to see you interacting today. 71 00:04:46,550 --> 00:04:49,570 And that's why we devised a new plan or a new 72 00:04:49,570 --> 00:04:53,070 strategy of having an experienced teacher with me. 73 00:04:53,630 --> 00:04:56,650 And we are debating. And of course, I'm debating 74 00:04:56,650 --> 00:05:01,210 today against my conviction, which is perhaps an 75 00:05:01,210 --> 00:05:07,730 art of debate. So I'd like people to come this 76 00:05:07,730 --> 00:05:12,810 side to share with Ms. Ahlam, who's ready. 77 00:05:16,770 --> 00:05:20,510 She's adopting the poetic creation. And we're 78 00:05:20,510 --> 00:05:22,330 going to have the poem, yes? 79 00:05:25,470 --> 00:05:28,070 Again, Khaled, we're going to have a debate, like 80 00:05:28,070 --> 00:05:34,690 last time. Okay, you just come here, okay? Please, 81 00:05:35,250 --> 00:05:37,910 anyone who wants to side with her, with them? 82 00:05:39,750 --> 00:05:43,170 Okay, let's see. This is like you come either 83 00:05:43,170 --> 00:05:46,610 side, here or there. So I'm afraid nobody is going 84 00:05:46,610 --> 00:05:53,190 to side with me. Okay, yes. You can have your, 85 00:05:53,370 --> 00:05:55,470 your bring, your bring chairs. 86 00:05:58,410 --> 00:05:59,470 We need the poem though. 87 00:06:19,280 --> 00:06:20,460 Okay, okay. 88 00:06:31,980 --> 00:06:37,480 We need like some people to come on my side. Yes, 89 00:06:37,940 --> 00:06:39,580 it's about industrial revolution. 90 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,960 Okay, you want me to be alone? 91 00:06:48,050 --> 00:06:54,110 Okay, yes? Yes, Rwand? Now we are like the other 92 00:06:54,110 --> 00:07:00,370 Rwand. You see? Yes, do you want like? No, you 93 00:07:00,370 --> 00:07:05,010 just sit Rwand like. We don't have two Rwand. This 94 00:07:05,010 --> 00:07:05,970 will, okay. 95 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:30,840 No, it's not there. We have it here. So, you need 96 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:36,100 a mic? Khaled, do they have a mic? Just one mic? 97 00:07:36,660 --> 00:07:37,020 Okay. 98 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:45,940 It's okay. So, and we have to vote who's winning. 99 00:07:46,860 --> 00:07:51,180 You know, like at the end, there will be a voting. 100 00:07:53,630 --> 00:07:59,830 What do you think? Like, is the tiger about poetic 101 00:07:59,830 --> 00:08:03,630 imagination, artistic imagination? Or is it about, 102 00:08:04,430 --> 00:08:09,010 you know, the Industrial Revolution? Okay. Shall 103 00:08:09,010 --> 00:08:13,310 we start by you? By your team? Yes. 104 00:08:16,030 --> 00:08:17,450 What do you think? Yes. 105 00:08:20,220 --> 00:08:27,320 All right, I think like the era before Blake, the 106 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,720 poetry lacked imagination. They were too concerned 107 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,840 about rationalism and reason and discussing these 108 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,770 themes in their poetry. And then Blake was the pre 109 00:08:37,770 --> 00:08:42,510 -romantic, so he started, or he initiated by his 110 00:08:42,510 --> 00:08:47,350 works, the poetic imagination, a broader sense of 111 00:08:47,350 --> 00:08:51,250 thematic tacklement in his poetry. And here in the 112 00:08:51,250 --> 00:08:56,230 tiger, we saw a lot of indications, like hand, 113 00:08:56,390 --> 00:09:00,370 eye, frame, and then some oxymorons, and he's 114 00:09:00,370 --> 00:09:04,750 showing God's creation, but then he gave us, he 115 00:09:04,750 --> 00:09:08,920 framed it in a way to give us a deeper meaning, to 116 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:14,440 see what's beyond this creation, to see like he 117 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,680 reflected like the bad and the good, like he 118 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:21,720 showed us a creation of art. And that's what I see 119 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,260 like is very prominent about this poet, the poem 120 00:09:25,260 --> 00:09:29,660 in particular. Okay, thank you. Dewan, do you want 121 00:09:29,660 --> 00:09:33,280 to add anything? You just come closer here. Yes, 122 00:09:33,380 --> 00:09:36,000 do you want to respond to that? I think that 123 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,900 William Blake is considered one of the romanticism 124 00:09:38,900 --> 00:09:41,840 poets and they were all concerned about 125 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,660 criticizing the industrial revolution and all 126 00:09:45,660 --> 00:09:48,820 their poetry. So he's considered one of them. So 127 00:09:48,820 --> 00:09:52,360 he's also criticizing the industrial revolution. 128 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,520 I think you know you might be true to some extent 129 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,580 because what you said like has to do with the 130 00:10:04,580 --> 00:10:06,820 general you know things you are right it's about 131 00:10:06,820 --> 00:10:09,520 him it's not about the poem it's not about 132 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:13,440 imagination but like Blake was interested you know 133 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:16,720 in imagination because he was writing something 134 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,500 against the expectation of his time But I think 135 00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:23,000 here in this poem, it is about industrial 136 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:25,940 revolution. Like as you see, there are many 137 00:10:25,940 --> 00:10:29,440 references in the poem which assert the fact that 138 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,980 it is about the industrial revolution. This 139 00:10:31,980 --> 00:10:38,600 meticulous process of designing, of framing the 140 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,500 tiger seems to be like it is about industrial 141 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:42,940 revolution. 142 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:53,050 It's okay. Okay. So as you said, that the poem 143 00:10:53,050 --> 00:10:56,050 generally talks about a kind of revolution, 144 00:10:56,830 --> 00:11:01,190 whether it is a political revolution or a literary 145 00:11:01,190 --> 00:11:04,290 or again, a poetic revolution, we can consider 146 00:11:04,290 --> 00:11:08,070 both of them inside the poem here, The Tiger. So 147 00:11:08,070 --> 00:11:12,050 this is just as you said before that the poem is 148 00:11:12,050 --> 00:11:14,010 talking about the industrial revolution or the 149 00:11:14,010 --> 00:11:16,050 French or the American revolution, whatever 150 00:11:16,050 --> 00:11:19,030 revolution it is. So we can talk about revolutions 151 00:11:19,030 --> 00:11:21,830 in general. So you are giving me credit. Thank you 152 00:11:21,830 --> 00:11:24,790 very much. You are giving me credit. It's okay. So 153 00:11:24,790 --> 00:11:27,090 from what you have said, again, the Industrial 154 00:11:27,090 --> 00:11:28,930 Revolution, we can talk about the poetic 155 00:11:28,930 --> 00:11:31,830 revolution inside the poem itself. As Jihan 156 00:11:31,830 --> 00:11:35,610 mentioned before too, that the age before William 157 00:11:35,610 --> 00:11:38,430 Blake is the age of reason, as you know. It is the 158 00:11:38,430 --> 00:11:41,390 enlightenment period with all its, again, concerns 159 00:11:41,390 --> 00:11:44,790 about the human mind only without, you know, given 160 00:11:44,790 --> 00:11:49,310 any concern to his feelings, his emotions. I mean 161 00:11:49,310 --> 00:11:51,970 the internal side of the human being. They dealt 162 00:11:51,970 --> 00:11:54,730 with him as a kind of report or machine or 163 00:11:54,730 --> 00:11:57,270 something like that. But here we can take the 164 00:11:57,270 --> 00:12:04,320 tiger as the new creation of art. Okay, thank you 165 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,440 very much, you know, it sounds interesting, but 166 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,060 let us, you know, gently disagree with you. Okay. 167 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,600 And I'm not sure like whether one of my team 168 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,040 members is going to have, you know, yeah, this is 169 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:19,280 the heart of debating, we have to disagree with 170 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,120 each other. Actually, the poem is like describing 171 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,140 process and like we all know that industrial 172 00:12:25,140 --> 00:12:27,520 revolution is concerned with the process like to 173 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:32,900 to produce something. And in the tiger, it can be 174 00:12:32,900 --> 00:12:37,040 seen as it symbolized the industrial revolution by 175 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,020 the process of its creation. Yeah, and I'm going 176 00:12:40,020 --> 00:12:43,420 to add to that that if you look here at this 177 00:12:43,420 --> 00:12:46,840 creation, it is a monster-like. It is a monster. 178 00:12:47,300 --> 00:12:50,200 It is like a monster. And what is more monstrous 179 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,240 than the industrial revolution? So here, if you 180 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,280 look at the tiger, It is, you know, very 181 00:12:56,280 --> 00:13:01,100 frightening. It is very horrifying. And yes, that 182 00:13:01,100 --> 00:13:04,660 was, I know some of you would say, what about, you 183 00:13:04,660 --> 00:13:09,420 know, like fearful symmetry? And like, yes, of 184 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:11,600 course, the Industrial Revolution has its 185 00:13:13,290 --> 00:13:17,410 glimmering, shimmering aspect. But again, it is 186 00:13:17,410 --> 00:13:21,530 deep inside, it has corrupted, it corrupts the 187 00:13:21,530 --> 00:13:25,270 people, it has a moral corruption, social 188 00:13:25,270 --> 00:13:30,450 corruption. So I think this is not like an 189 00:13:30,450 --> 00:13:33,950 ordinary tiger. It is a mythical, it is a monster, 190 00:13:34,430 --> 00:13:38,330 and it reminds me of Chile, Frankenstein. You see 191 00:13:38,330 --> 00:13:39,770 what I mean? Yeah, that's it. 192 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,580 Okay, I want to say from the poem itself, why he 193 00:13:54,580 --> 00:13:59,660 chose the tiger and the lamb. Might he mean the 194 00:13:59,660 --> 00:14:05,600 lamb in his earlier poem, which he read in the 195 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:10,540 past? So in the line who he wrote the tiger, who 196 00:14:10,540 --> 00:14:13,820 wrote the lamb. So he might be referred to refer 197 00:14:13,820 --> 00:14:17,340 to the poet himself and be the following tiger 198 00:14:17,340 --> 00:14:21,060 which follow the poem The Lamb. So he exactly 199 00:14:21,060 --> 00:14:24,380 chose the lamb and the tiger to show that this is 200 00:14:24,380 --> 00:14:27,160 the... They are created by the same creator. Thank 201 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,500 you very much. Yeah, what do you think? Actually, 202 00:14:29,860 --> 00:14:34,160 the lamb was like the songs of innocence and it 203 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,600 was describing the childhood and the innocence of 204 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,940 a child before they were corrupted as a grown-up 205 00:14:38,940 --> 00:14:42,440 or adult. I think the tiger is like contradictory 206 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,740 to the lamb. As the child grows up, so he will be 207 00:14:45,740 --> 00:14:48,280 corrupted by the industrial revolution to forget 208 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,480 what is the purpose of life, how he can be like 209 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:54,360 the innocence and good in his heart. Like it would 210 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,890 be replaced by evil and like determination for 211 00:14:58,890 --> 00:15:03,790 more products and for like materialism purposes 212 00:15:03,790 --> 00:15:08,770 mostly. And you want to add anything? As Rawan 213 00:15:08,770 --> 00:15:13,630 said, I agree with her that the tiger is about 214 00:15:13,630 --> 00:15:16,790 industrial revolution because the tiger has two 215 00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:22,570 things, the bad side and the good side. So it 216 00:15:22,570 --> 00:15:25,190 is... It applies to industrial revolution. Yeah, 217 00:15:25,350 --> 00:15:26,110 it has two sides. 218 00:15:37,420 --> 00:15:41,040 So the tiger has two sides, that she is very 219 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,360 fearful, it's very beautiful, at the same time the 220 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,500 industrial revolution maybe it destroys nature, 221 00:15:48,740 --> 00:15:51,640 destroys the countryside, but at the same time it 222 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,180 has something useful, it has a lot of advantages. 223 00:15:56,940 --> 00:16:02,000 Let us stick to their main proposition, which says 224 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,820 we have a difference between the tiger and the 225 00:16:05,820 --> 00:16:09,820 lamb. I think here the question is, the persona in 226 00:16:09,820 --> 00:16:13,660 the poem is exclaiming, is asking, because this is 227 00:16:13,660 --> 00:16:18,980 a monster. Did the one who created the lamb create 228 00:16:18,980 --> 00:16:22,080 thee? So it is surprising, because this is like a 229 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,380 monster. Think of the other side. 230 00:16:28,180 --> 00:16:33,480 Is it a monastery for whom? Yes. The other 231 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,520 question. So it is okay, we can agree that it is a 232 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,480 monastery life, but it is a monastery for whom? Is 233 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:42,160 it a monastery for the new romantic, the new 234 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,980 period, or for the previous period? I mean before 235 00:16:44,980 --> 00:16:48,280 romanticism, the new classical. So this is another 236 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,500 thing. So if we go again to the fearful symmetry. 237 00:16:51,980 --> 00:16:54,140 Symmetry, it is the shape of poetry. This is what 238 00:16:54,140 --> 00:16:56,600 we can consider here. But it is fearful. Fearful 239 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,430 for whom? Is it fearful for, I mean, the new 240 00:16:59,430 --> 00:17:01,950 generation or the previous generation? So it might 241 00:17:01,950 --> 00:17:03,970 be fearful for them because it is a kind of a 242 00:17:03,970 --> 00:17:07,170 revolutionary one, a rebellious one. Since we can 243 00:17:07,170 --> 00:17:10,510 consider again William Drake as a rebel, as a 244 00:17:10,510 --> 00:17:14,250 revolutionary poet. So here we can go deeply again 245 00:17:14,250 --> 00:17:18,130 inside the poem itself and prove our stand here. 246 00:17:18,450 --> 00:17:22,330 So thank you. It's a strong proposition, you know, 247 00:17:22,550 --> 00:17:28,170 we have to respond. Yes. Also here, like the main 248 00:17:28,170 --> 00:17:30,930 focus, if you see whether the lamp or the tiger, 249 00:17:31,150 --> 00:17:33,730 you see that the main focus, not only the thematic 250 00:17:33,730 --> 00:17:38,730 focus, but also the the stylistic focus is on 251 00:17:38,730 --> 00:17:41,670 creation. Like when you said, OK, there's the good 252 00:17:41,670 --> 00:17:44,510 side and the bad side. This is something like a 253 00:17:44,510 --> 00:17:48,380 like just a part of the theme and you related that 254 00:17:48,380 --> 00:17:52,540 to industrial revolution however if you think of 255 00:17:52,540 --> 00:17:55,680 poetic imagination it includes the theme it 256 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,920 includes this style the references in the poem I 257 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,600 do respect what you say guys but it seems like you 258 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,540 are not looking closely at the poem you are not 259 00:18:05,540 --> 00:18:10,590 looking at the word frame and I think frame It has 260 00:18:10,590 --> 00:18:15,450 to do with artificial. We don't talk about 261 00:18:15,450 --> 00:18:20,990 imagination framing, but framing is 262 00:18:20,990 --> 00:18:23,330 more artificial. When we are talking about 263 00:18:23,330 --> 00:18:27,610 framing, it is more artificial. It is not the job 264 00:18:27,610 --> 00:18:32,970 of imagination. Imagination might have you know, 265 00:18:33,210 --> 00:18:36,930 more superior, but this has to do with framing. 266 00:18:37,490 --> 00:18:40,450 And again, we are talking about the whole creation 267 00:18:40,450 --> 00:18:43,730 as like if you see somebody is seizing the fire, 268 00:18:44,130 --> 00:18:48,210 is seizing the fire, braces, like the place, see? 269 00:18:48,450 --> 00:18:52,430 But the fire as a word is used so much actually by 270 00:18:52,430 --> 00:18:56,710 the romantics to mean something which is eternal. 271 00:18:57,340 --> 00:19:00,620 Something which is immortal. And immortality again 272 00:19:00,620 --> 00:19:03,480 is a key word in romanticism. Yeah, but again this 273 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,460 is a satanic fire. It is a satanic fire. It is 274 00:19:07,460 --> 00:19:11,640 Satan burning bright, you know. It contradicts 275 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:13,980 with the lamp. So how you can say that it is 276 00:19:13,980 --> 00:19:16,780 satanic and there is a mortal hand and yeah but 277 00:19:16,780 --> 00:19:19,500 look at what a dreaded hand what dreaded feet you 278 00:19:19,500 --> 00:19:23,700 know it is you know it is okay perplexing and it 279 00:19:23,700 --> 00:19:26,580 is actually horrifying for the I mean the previous 280 00:19:26,580 --> 00:19:30,280 generation yeah that's that so also you can see 281 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:33,310 like you can take the fact that okay there is 282 00:19:33,310 --> 00:19:35,170 something about satanic there's something about 283 00:19:35,170 --> 00:19:37,790 really good and divine yeah but if you look at 284 00:19:37,790 --> 00:19:41,890 that made by the poet himself he managed to frame 285 00:19:41,890 --> 00:19:45,470 it in a way to show you the good and the bad so it 286 00:19:45,470 --> 00:19:48,810 it can be related to anything but if we look at 287 00:19:48,810 --> 00:19:51,570 the real life of the English people how it was 288 00:19:51,570 --> 00:19:55,660 transformed by that hideous Monster, I would say 289 00:19:55,660 --> 00:19:58,960 hideous monster because it transfigured the whole 290 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,680 life of the English people, like people where the 291 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,720 life of the people was mechanical, you know, a lot 292 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,460 of people were abused, you know, women were abused 293 00:20:09,460 --> 00:20:11,640 in the factory. So don't you think this is 294 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:17,890 satanic? No. It is symmetry, yes. It, you know, 295 00:20:17,970 --> 00:20:21,210 organized, it framed their life from the outside. 296 00:20:21,730 --> 00:20:26,110 They, you know, they were more urbanized. However, 297 00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:29,230 there was moral degradation. There, you know, 298 00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:32,770 there was like political degradation, social 299 00:20:32,770 --> 00:20:36,090 degradation. So we were talking about, you know, a 300 00:20:36,090 --> 00:20:39,270 relapse in human values. well how then do you 301 00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:42,650 explain all the words that refer to creation to 302 00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:46,110 change in the poetic sense of the age like the 303 00:20:46,110 --> 00:20:48,970 previous age used to have different style 304 00:20:48,970 --> 00:20:52,850 different words different references and here the 305 00:20:52,850 --> 00:20:56,590 focus seems to be on changing and shifting that 306 00:20:56,590 --> 00:21:00,250 shifting that style of writing into something more 307 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,580 Yeah, but look here, he's still using the heroic 308 00:21:02,580 --> 00:21:05,340 couplet, you know? So what shift you are taking? 309 00:21:05,500 --> 00:21:07,820 Nine and nine. That's why he's pre-romantic. No, 310 00:21:07,940 --> 00:21:10,220 this is not pre-romantic. No, heroic couplet, 311 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,780 heroic couplet. Heroic couplet is Alexander Pope 312 00:21:13,780 --> 00:21:16,840 and John Drowden. So, you know, and this is, you 313 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,760 know, I think it is mechanical. So if we're 314 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,540 talking about this, 315 00:21:26,170 --> 00:21:29,790 I agree with Dr. Akramdah that it is a mechanical 316 00:21:29,790 --> 00:21:33,150 revolution because he used, as he said, he used 317 00:21:33,150 --> 00:21:39,310 the same complex of the previous era. As a 318 00:21:39,310 --> 00:21:41,550 romantic for what he cannot get rid of actually 319 00:21:41,550 --> 00:21:43,770 all the styles of the previous era. If he wants to 320 00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:46,570 make a revolution, he has to. Even the heroic 321 00:21:46,570 --> 00:21:48,910 couplet, he managed to give it a different feel. 322 00:21:49,150 --> 00:21:51,790 No, but if he wants to make a new revolution, he 323 00:21:51,790 --> 00:21:55,770 has to change everything, to change everything in 324 00:21:55,770 --> 00:21:58,970 the poem. That to convince us about his idea, 325 00:21:59,110 --> 00:22:02,790 about his ideas. That's what they call step by 326 00:22:02,790 --> 00:22:05,650 step. Exactly, that's it. It's not one jump. It's 327 00:22:05,650 --> 00:22:11,080 not like... It is a revolution, so he has to... 328 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:15,220 No, it's okay, we can help ourselves. I see 329 00:22:15,220 --> 00:22:17,520 somebody from the audience. We have a question, 330 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:17,820 yes? 331 00:22:33,580 --> 00:22:37,100 So he meant himself like he was a tiger. Poetry. 332 00:22:37,460 --> 00:22:40,640 The new kind of poetry. The new kind of poetry. 333 00:22:40,980 --> 00:22:43,040 This is the tiger. Thank you very much. Very good. 334 00:22:43,380 --> 00:22:47,220 Yes. But again, like, I don't know how would you 335 00:22:47,220 --> 00:22:51,380 look at the word DER it's deadly terror like here 336 00:22:51,380 --> 00:22:54,500 we don't have fearful symmetry but we have deadly 337 00:22:54,500 --> 00:22:58,660 terror Deadly terror, it is, you know, it is here. 338 00:22:59,260 --> 00:23:02,560 Dur, it's deadly, you know? Here, what the hammer, 339 00:23:02,740 --> 00:23:05,280 what the chain, in what furnace was thy brain? 340 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,680 What the anvil, what the dread grasp? Dur, it's, 341 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,640 now we are no longer, you know, we are no longer 342 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:17,380 given this image of the tiger, which is beautiful, 343 00:23:17,500 --> 00:23:20,580 at the same time it is terrible. It is, it is, 344 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,040 it's deadly terror, you know? It can be the old 345 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,500 poetry. It can be deadly terror. Yeah, but old 346 00:23:26,500 --> 00:23:29,360 poetry, how come, you know, it is the terror, you 347 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,600 know? So do you want to say that this creation is 348 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,780 creating something old? No, he's actually 349 00:23:35,780 --> 00:23:38,360 comparing and contrasting, sort of. That's it, 350 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,960 yeah. Yeah, between the old kind of poetry that is 351 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:46,720 very systemized, very dreadful, very terror. But 352 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,400 again, like- And what dread had, what dread feel, 353 00:23:49,540 --> 00:23:52,980 what this creator or poet is. If you go back to 354 00:23:52,980 --> 00:23:54,980 the, I mean, the first line of the poem here, 355 00:23:55,120 --> 00:23:58,060 tiger fire burning bright. Yes. So the word 356 00:23:58,060 --> 00:24:01,340 burning and bright, both of them. Burning here, it 357 00:24:01,340 --> 00:24:05,080 reflects the efforts. that the poet is exerting to 358 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,120 bring something new which comes again bright 359 00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:11,180 something new yeah it's burning it's like 360 00:24:11,180 --> 00:24:14,480 electricity it's burning burning bright but it has 361 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,240 like a lot of atrocities bring something new which 362 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,260 is bright bright for the new generation but like 363 00:24:20,260 --> 00:24:22,940 look in the forest of the night in the forest what 364 00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:25,220 is the forest of the night it is i mean the old 365 00:24:25,220 --> 00:24:28,710 asias yeah but like who are active at the forest 366 00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:31,050 of the night. Like we are talking about animals, 367 00:24:31,230 --> 00:24:34,010 wild animals, you know, like monsters, deadly 368 00:24:34,010 --> 00:24:36,310 things. You know, this is what we are talking 369 00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:38,850 about. And you know, nobody would approach a 370 00:24:38,850 --> 00:24:42,150 burning bride in the forest. It is dark. So, and 371 00:24:42,150 --> 00:24:44,250 we have the night, which is always traditionally 372 00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:47,870 associated with evil. Which is a bride in the 373 00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:51,160 darkness of the old ages. It is, like, you know, 374 00:24:51,220 --> 00:24:54,380 this applies to machinery, which, you know, 375 00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:57,860 changed the life of the countryside, but it was 376 00:24:57,860 --> 00:25:00,660 like, yes, it changed the life of the countryside, 377 00:25:00,900 --> 00:25:04,920 but how? See? So it might apply to it. So again, 378 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,020 what immortal hand or eye? This is the immortal 379 00:25:07,020 --> 00:25:09,040 hand and the eye of the poet. Of the poet. Because 380 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,400 we mentioned before so many times that poetry is 381 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,440 immortalizing things. Yep. Let's see, let's see 382 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,780 another voice from the audience. Yes? 383 00:25:23,270 --> 00:25:29,550 Thank you very much. And if you look like tiger, 384 00:25:29,770 --> 00:25:32,650 tiger, burning bright, it's like very systematic. 385 00:25:32,830 --> 00:25:35,970 It's like a machine which goes, and if you look 386 00:25:35,970 --> 00:25:39,070 even at the rhythm, you know, it is mechanical. It 387 00:25:39,070 --> 00:25:41,150 has to do with the sound of the machine. Tiger, 388 00:25:42,510 --> 00:25:45,530 tiger, tiger, burning bright. It is a machine 389 00:25:45,530 --> 00:25:51,370 like, yes, yes please. So yeah, you can rally 390 00:25:51,370 --> 00:25:54,630 support. Okay, yes. 391 00:25:59,390 --> 00:26:04,210 Because it's 392 00:26:04,210 --> 00:26:05,490 to do with creation. 393 00:26:09,530 --> 00:26:11,710 Yeah, we use words, we don't use hammers. 394 00:26:14,450 --> 00:26:17,090 Yeah, he could have used like, what words, what 395 00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:20,150 vocabulary you like, you know? But here, with the 396 00:26:20,150 --> 00:26:21,330 hammer, with the chain, you know? 397 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,540 about the word immortal like it's like reflecting 398 00:26:28,540 --> 00:26:32,180 God or something you said or the but maybe it was 399 00:26:32,180 --> 00:26:35,140 how like people at that time looked at industrial 400 00:26:35,140 --> 00:26:37,400 revolution and machines and their product and like 401 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,140 they considered something like supernatural so 402 00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:42,560 that they the extent that they starting to worship 403 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,220 it and not being attention to the countryside and 404 00:26:46,220 --> 00:26:49,040 nature so it might import immortals immortal 405 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,620 reflects the industrial revolution and how people 406 00:26:51,620 --> 00:26:52,240 looked at it 407 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,220 Go ahead. What the hammer? What the chain? In what 408 00:27:07,220 --> 00:27:10,820 furnace was thy brain? What the anvil? What red 409 00:27:10,820 --> 00:27:16,720 grass? There it's dead little grass. is about this 410 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,340 is you know uh you know it can be like look when 411 00:27:21,340 --> 00:27:23,880 the stars look here when the stars threw down 412 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,060 their spears and watered heaven like it is heaven 413 00:27:27,060 --> 00:27:31,020 it seems like the heavenly you know creatures are 414 00:27:31,020 --> 00:27:33,940 angry because of this you know it is something 415 00:27:33,940 --> 00:27:37,910 which provoked the heavenly creatures and they 416 00:27:37,910 --> 00:27:40,690 started to cry they started to feel because you 417 00:27:40,690 --> 00:27:44,090 know it abused like a human life you know it 418 00:27:44,090 --> 00:27:46,850 changed it you know innocence so it is something 419 00:27:46,850 --> 00:27:52,060 you know very monstrous It caused even heaven to 420 00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:55,280 sympathize with the human people. Well, it can be 421 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,240 also referred to. Okay, yes, there, Ola. I 422 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:01,080 consider the hammer and the chain as not just for 423 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,680 the industrial revolution, but also for the 424 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,160 thoughts, like the hammer and the chain are 425 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,930 thoughts like parents, Yeah, he could have used 426 00:28:09,930 --> 00:28:12,450 pen and you know, he could have used them, you 427 00:28:12,450 --> 00:28:15,310 know, or he could have hinted to that. 428 00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:18,930 Metaphorical. Metaphorical. He compares his 429 00:28:18,930 --> 00:28:22,690 feelings and emotions to the others. So it's not 430 00:28:22,690 --> 00:28:26,230 just the hammers and the chairs. We are not stuck 431 00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:32,330 to the text and such. Now the text is a good 432 00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:35,250 evidence for our symbolic interpretation. Beyond 433 00:28:35,250 --> 00:28:40,390 the meaning. Yeah, it can be he's utilizing the 434 00:28:40,390 --> 00:28:44,490 vocabulary and the senses of the time and the 435 00:28:44,490 --> 00:28:49,530 previous era to attack their reason, their over... 436 00:28:50,020 --> 00:28:53,680 like over rationality and overuse of systematics. 437 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,500 This is very metaphoric and I think you know it is 438 00:28:58,500 --> 00:29:02,520 very metaphoric about this you know is likely to 439 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,560 apply to the poem because as you see like the word 440 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,760 frame as I said and again it is their frame 441 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,220 Because here, daring, you know, we are talking 442 00:29:12,220 --> 00:29:14,900 about something who is rebelling against the 443 00:29:14,900 --> 00:29:18,120 creator. Like, and who is the creature who 444 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,240 rebelled against the creator? You know, it's 445 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,860 Satan. So this is satanic. We have a creature who 446 00:29:24,860 --> 00:29:27,360 is rebelling against the creator, you know? 447 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,760 Because here, dare, you know, the word dare again. 448 00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:34,820 So I think this is about a monstrous, you know, 449 00:29:35,020 --> 00:29:37,580 it's about the machine. It is about the industrial 450 00:29:37,580 --> 00:29:41,720 revolution. This one I strongly believe in. I love 451 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,740 the machine. Ah, okay, thank you very much. Yes, 452 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,860 Rana? But we love poetry more. And we love poetry 453 00:29:47,860 --> 00:29:51,040 more. This poem, the shape of this poem is talking 454 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,060 about just like revolution against poetry. And 455 00:29:55,060 --> 00:29:57,740 William Blake... Yeah, could you tell me how? Yes, 456 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,900 I want to explain. William Blake is a romantic 457 00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:04,640 man, okay? He used the vocabulary of this... 458 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:19,320 But what is more poetic than, you know, spears? 459 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,140 Because it's part of the poetic diction. Yes, it's 460 00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:27,120 part of the poetic diction. And, you know, we know 461 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,260 that, you know, this is, I think it is, you know, 462 00:30:31,380 --> 00:30:35,580 written by using most of the, you know, poetic 463 00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:40,300 devices used by the pre-Roman, by, you know, the 464 00:30:40,300 --> 00:30:42,840 non-classicals. How about he's using both 465 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,480 dictions, he's using the aspiring, the emotional 466 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,240 words and he's also using the bad and you know 467 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,840 hammer and all these to draw a comparison, which 468 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:56,320 one do you prefer? Do you prefer the imagination 469 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,500 and the you know the beautiful beautified? 470 00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:07,410 Plague said when the stars threw down their 471 00:31:07,410 --> 00:31:11,430 spears. I think in this stanza, he's referring to 472 00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:15,170 Milton's Paradise Lost because when Satan rebuilt 473 00:31:15,170 --> 00:31:18,090 against God, he took his angels and he were in 474 00:31:18,090 --> 00:31:21,510 battle in heaven. And then when the angels beat 475 00:31:21,510 --> 00:31:25,050 Satan and his angels, they were extended to hell 476 00:31:25,050 --> 00:31:28,550 and when and did he smile his work to see like it 477 00:31:28,550 --> 00:31:33,510 reflect when God smiles about the angels that were 478 00:31:33,510 --> 00:31:37,990 defeated when they sins against him and this also 479 00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:41,530 about men can be applied about mankind when a 480 00:31:41,530 --> 00:31:44,270 mankind like when a man is sins against God he 481 00:31:44,270 --> 00:31:48,110 will be in heaven and did I agree, I agree, but 482 00:31:48,110 --> 00:31:51,390 whoever said that Satan is necessarily the 483 00:31:51,390 --> 00:31:54,050 industrial revolution. No, it's not that. Satan 484 00:31:54,050 --> 00:31:58,250 can be the bad party. Satan can be the evil. Yeah. 485 00:31:58,410 --> 00:32:01,530 The evil and that side of industrial revolution. 486 00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:03,930 Imagination devoid. Okay, we need somebody to 487 00:32:03,930 --> 00:32:05,130 reconcile between us. 488 00:32:10,630 --> 00:32:14,490 And you said spears, like in Milton's Paradise 489 00:32:14,490 --> 00:32:19,390 Lost, angels used spears to beat other angels and 490 00:32:19,390 --> 00:32:22,070 with their tears they were crying for their 491 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:25,430 brothers who disappointed God and were punished by 492 00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:28,580 Him to be in hell. Like it's all referring to the 493 00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:32,900 evil side of the poetic. Yeah, the evil side of 494 00:32:32,900 --> 00:32:37,680 not having imagination in your poetry, of removing 495 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,640 all kinds of imagination. And who cries, and why 496 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,260 spears, who smiles. Like you said, it's a 497 00:32:44,260 --> 00:32:46,360 metaphoric thing to refer to the mind. It's not 498 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,980 metaphysical to have a very metaphorical thing. 499 00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:57,170 Yeah, how the romantic poetry changed the life of 500 00:32:57,170 --> 00:32:59,470 him. I'll tell you, like, the entire... Now, give 501 00:32:59,470 --> 00:33:02,530 me one positive thing about how the romantic, you 502 00:33:02,530 --> 00:33:05,710 know, or how the romantic imagination changed, you 503 00:33:05,710 --> 00:33:07,590 know, the face of England. Yeah, it did. I think, 504 00:33:07,670 --> 00:33:09,970 you know, this is, you know, a fallacy because 505 00:33:09,970 --> 00:33:13,350 even the Romantic period was anti-romantic, you 506 00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:16,190 know, more abuse of children, more abuse of women. 507 00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:20,170 So, yeah, there was like imagination, like they 508 00:33:20,170 --> 00:33:23,900 talk about like man's free will, but Give me just 509 00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:26,340 one thing to indicate, you know, that the romantic 510 00:33:26,340 --> 00:33:29,760 imagination transfigured or changed the life of 511 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,640 the English people to the rest. Of course it 512 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,920 changed and it was significant. If it weren't, we 513 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,460 wouldn't be studying it right now. And we wouldn't 514 00:33:36,460 --> 00:33:38,320 have studied UClassical. And it changed the entire 515 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,460 era of romanticism. I think you should agree with 516 00:33:40,460 --> 00:33:44,200 us that the Romantic Age was anti-romantic. And 517 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,340 this like, you know, I think Ms. Ahlam wants to 518 00:33:47,340 --> 00:33:50,280 share with me that, you know, the Romantic Age was 519 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,000 not romantic. And this is the great paradox 520 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,190 itself. It was not romantic. But then they were 521 00:33:54,190 --> 00:33:57,170 speaking about it because they liked it in their 522 00:33:57,170 --> 00:33:59,670 real life. So they wanted to voice it out. Yeah, 523 00:33:59,810 --> 00:34:02,250 but like, okay, here, if we are talking about 524 00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:05,130 revolutions, like, you know, poetic revolutions, 525 00:34:05,770 --> 00:34:08,130 yes, like, it is very devastating. But it wouldn't 526 00:34:08,130 --> 00:34:10,770 be a revolution. He didn't publish his work at 527 00:34:10,770 --> 00:34:13,090 that time. If he published it, then it would be a 528 00:34:13,090 --> 00:34:15,370 revolution at the same time. But he, like... 529 00:34:15,370 --> 00:34:16,810 Because it was dangerous. Tell me a poet who 530 00:34:16,810 --> 00:34:19,590 published his work while he was... Exactly. Yeah, 531 00:34:19,610 --> 00:34:23,710 most of the poets, like, privileged poets. Okay, 532 00:34:24,590 --> 00:34:27,470 it seems like we have one question. They don't 533 00:34:27,470 --> 00:34:29,950 know that those who raise questions, they gain 534 00:34:29,950 --> 00:34:34,350 marks. You see, if you, so I'm adding one mark to 535 00:34:34,350 --> 00:34:37,330 Rana and I'm adding one mark to who? Like, yes, 536 00:34:37,390 --> 00:34:39,970 they are gaining two marks. So you don't know. I, 537 00:34:40,130 --> 00:34:44,530 I was, okay. You support or you support either 538 00:34:44,530 --> 00:34:48,510 team. You are gaining more credit. Yes. Still, 539 00:34:48,830 --> 00:34:52,430 like the auction is available. The auction is 540 00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:57,190 available. Yes. Who? Now she's done guess, she's 541 00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:59,470 taking the course. It might be from the other 542 00:34:59,470 --> 00:35:05,510 class. Maybe he hit two birds with one stone. 543 00:35:06,010 --> 00:35:10,090 Maybe he meant by tiger as that of the previous 544 00:35:10,090 --> 00:35:17,070 nation's era of poets. Or maybe he is talking 545 00:35:17,070 --> 00:35:20,350 about the industrial revolution. According to 546 00:35:20,350 --> 00:35:25,530 these words, it's really... Yeah, but you have 547 00:35:25,530 --> 00:35:27,790 like, when you are answering in the exam, you have 548 00:35:27,790 --> 00:35:33,990 to commit yourself to one. Okay. Yes? I think he 549 00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:36,150 talks about the industrial revolution. The first 550 00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:40,860 standard of the last standard, I want to explain 551 00:35:40,860 --> 00:35:44,140 this class itself. Perlin tried to set about a 552 00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:47,300 machinery that burns coal to make new products, 553 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,140 which saves time and effort. The force of these 554 00:35:51,140 --> 00:35:56,280 machines worked all day without stopping. And what 555 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,180 immortal Hector and I refer to the inventors, 556 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,980 their names are still mentioned until today. So 557 00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:06,020 their names are immortal. Their frame is a triple 558 00:36:06,020 --> 00:36:10,530 symmetry. This side of industrial revolution have 559 00:36:10,530 --> 00:36:13,050 a good side and bad side. The good side with the 560 00:36:13,050 --> 00:36:17,370 new products, saving efforts, money, time. And the 561 00:36:17,370 --> 00:36:23,020 dark side with the corruption Thank you, thank you 562 00:36:23,020 --> 00:36:25,940 for supporting. Anybody wants to support the other 563 00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:29,460 team? Like I think Ola is supporting them. Yeah, I 564 00:36:29,460 --> 00:36:32,900 just want to say that Instagram just initiated the 565 00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:35,300 reconciliation from the bargaining team when she 566 00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:38,640 said that this forum is about revolution, whatever 567 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,200 that revolution is against the industrial 568 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,790 revolution or against the Yeah, but here we are 569 00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:51,490 debating, you know, we are debating. We don't want 570 00:36:51,490 --> 00:36:54,670 to reconcile. I think, you know, she's giving us 571 00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:57,670 credit when she reconciled, you know, because she 572 00:36:57,670 --> 00:37:00,090 is giving us credit. And, you know, I was very 573 00:37:00,090 --> 00:37:01,650 happy when she started doing that, you know, 574 00:37:01,690 --> 00:37:04,190 because she was giving us credit right from the 575 00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:08,420 very beginning. Okay, I know. Thank you very much. 576 00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:12,960 It's been a very interesting debate. Yes, you can 577 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:17,700 add something. I want to say that William Blake 578 00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:21,220 was known for being so influenced by a traditional 579 00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:24,820 theme, which is Greek gods. And we can see that 580 00:37:24,820 --> 00:37:27,820 in, for example, the hammer and the chain. 581 00:37:28,060 --> 00:37:30,120 Actually, it kind of refers to a Greek god. It's 582 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,940 called Hippothos, I think. It was a blacksmith god 583 00:37:33,940 --> 00:37:39,020 who was making weapons for other gods. And they 584 00:37:39,020 --> 00:37:41,640 were disdaining him for his ugliness. And then, 585 00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:44,700 also, who sees fire. It can also refer to 586 00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:48,190 Prometheus' pound. when he sees fire to mankind 587 00:37:48,190 --> 00:37:51,870 again is the will of Zeus. Also with the wings, it 588 00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:54,850 can be refers to, I think, Achilles or something. 589 00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:56,570 Well, this can actually be used against you 590 00:37:56,570 --> 00:38:00,910 because it's classical time. That's all they 591 00:38:00,910 --> 00:38:04,290 focused about. Maybe he's trying to use this to 592 00:38:04,290 --> 00:38:06,990 actually attack them because most of their poetry 593 00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:12,230 use a lot of these. No, but he's sticking to a 594 00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:15,490 very traditional theme. Use the Greek mythology. 595 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,400 I'm logging a dead horse, in fact, you know? Okay, 596 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,720 guys, I want to finish this wonderful debate, but 597 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:27,100 again, thank you very much for listening, and I 598 00:38:27,100 --> 00:38:33,200 want to tell you, me and Ahlam embrace the notion 599 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,720 that this is about poetic imagination. Okay, and 600 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:42,000 as I told you, you know, I am the one, but I don't 601 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,160 mind if you want like to take that, you know, to 602 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,480 that extreme because it might be about, but like, 603 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,860 yes, me and Ms. Ahlam and we play this track, you 604 00:38:52,860 --> 00:38:56,360 know, we think, but some other people, strongly 605 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,760 think it is about industrial revolution, and we 606 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:04,000 don't mind, just like giving us the evidence. He 607 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,220 means industrial revolution in a direct way, but 608 00:39:08,220 --> 00:39:11,830 about Gothic imagination in a direct way. Okay, 609 00:39:12,330 --> 00:39:16,450 yeah, so it is figurative and literal, but again, 610 00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:20,790 I think the BBC interpretation, like a couple of 611 00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:23,170 years ago, I brought this, BBC, do you remember 612 00:39:23,170 --> 00:39:27,030 when I brought the BBC interpretation? And most of 613 00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:30,310 the critics asserted that it was about industrial 614 00:39:30,310 --> 00:39:34,330 revolution, which I didn't like, and I tried to 615 00:39:34,330 --> 00:39:36,750 bring interpretation which was quite different. 616 00:39:37,450 --> 00:39:40,530 Yes, the last? As a student in the exam, can we 617 00:39:40,530 --> 00:39:46,350 depend Yeah, of course you can choose either of 618 00:39:46,350 --> 00:39:50,290 them, but like again, you have to go and to bring 619 00:39:50,290 --> 00:39:53,310 evidence to substantiate whatever you want to say. 620 00:39:53,650 --> 00:39:56,330 Thank you very much for listening. Thank you. And 621 00:39:56,330 --> 00:39:59,590 clap for this team. And clap for the other team. 622 00:39:59,930 --> 00:40:01,070 Thank you very much. Bye bye.