it has ebbed and flowed a little bit but its been pretty consistent feeling of deeper stillness at the points where one would expect you know you were describing things around the fullness or just stuff like that versus the body per se versus like sinuses and mhm or even in this part of the conversation you know like it seems like the stillness is ebbed a little bit from the depth that it was a moment ago


so its its subtle but theres definitely a distinct difference between those two experiences um of layer three


things that sense of joy is very often more associated with layer three


i can play such a good game of a location two layer three but it doesnt it doesnt necessarily feel like its authentic i can model it i can get people there i can like give them their little charmed life and like


feel really like reality is like this thick fluid like substance that you can like just sort of pushing through like viscerally like a thick substance in some sense


no i think its a different thing than its related to location two layer three


like disapproval like i noticed that i kind of had a lot of these disapproval patterns of myself and so i started noticing them more and kind of like just kind of letting them go so maybe that was a big shift and now more recently ive been noticing that there is a lot of this anxiety kind of pattern that feels like a its like a performance type anxiety or like approval type of thing and that comes up like really a lot every day yeah so yeah so thats like thats dropping me down to layer one often


layer three standpoint


access to layer two


liveness beingness


so you know im not its not a bad thing that you shift into layer one or anything like that its not something to be avoided


it could also relate to your identity really shifting into the spaciousness


you know dont bring in any mental analysis in any layer one type stuff


self is that yeah the reflection on experience which itself produces experience and all the qualities of experience which is why you know when you sense into whats beyond layer three it feels like its unknowable or a mystery or without qualities


the layer one is getting more pulled back into the story and the sort of feeling of the the thoughts that put me into the past or the future or something like that


consciousness as a field


like initially you cant see anything its just an unknowable


like that state of like everything is just great everything is just perfect like how they say before enlightenment


seems individualized


layer three is still and peaceful


layer two is a great place to hide out


but theres no sense of like i see myself because the self is just not seeming real anymore


am just the space


experience of senselessness might


location one of layer two


charmed life maybe sounded interesting obviously those would all involve coming back from where youre headed


layer four experience


it feels beyond states and experiences


negative feelings


layer one from a more persistent higher place as well


layer two quality


promote motivation


encased in gelatin


so you said that you werent sure whether at times your you were viewing layer one


spaciousness emptiness presence fullness


so when that when you feel that you are that thats really near the deepest reaches of layer three


joy and deep peace


meta experience


so think of layer two as that sense of space spaciousness


eucharist


shifted to that deeper


whats out there is out there


layer three and location two


watch the thinking occur but you really are not an active participant in the thinking process


i could i could fortunately i could stay clued into the to what they said and then id say something you know oh tell me more about that or you know that was all i could do i couldnt work out what i need to do with this client


false assumption


should i just focus like only on layer two for like a week or two or and then its like trying to because maybe im trying to do too many things sometimes


that stillness is then next sort of felt as a fullness


emptiness is two


layer two its more like i dont have that kind of feeling at all


it feels more pleasant than the senselessness


density fullness aliveness is


i said was the crushing loneliness of the divine that was beautiful in his stark simplicity


about layer three idea of fullness


spaciousness and the emptiness being accessible and then you know


you know thats cool keep in mind charmed life is a locking in of location two layer three


so possibly in that direction thats one of our qualities that we look for for a very deep experience of layer three yeah its clearly somewhere deeper than what youre usually access in terms of having the greater sense of serenity or stillness and feeling just generally more like present theres


it wasnt empty its all of a sudden full


i think it feels more like the fullness right now at this moment


its probably like a layer like a layer two kind of thing


deconditioned neutral emotional relatively emotionally neutral or whatever kind of deeper layer one type experience


embedded in layer one because theres a you experiencing this not necessarily its still nondual there wouldnt be like a separate looker or something but theres still a sense of an individualized sense of self that is recognizing and experiencing this all present all containing awareness


however if i dont really have to i can sink in pretty deep but i think i can reach into layer three of location two


true thats a tricky name yeah yeah okay well um yeah all that all that comes up to say would be related to that um self dropping away which i think because of your experience with helping people shift out of the personal sense of self um and seeing that from the other side um you can probably um sense into in some way uh so theres the personal sense of self which is really constructed conceptually and what youre experiencing is what one could consider an impersonal sense of self in that there is beingness or presence you wouldnt say that theres you know that you dont exist or something um but its not personal in nature its universal in nature it is you know in union with all being with the essence of all being um and when that disappears theres obviously a disappearance of even the quality of being or beingness theres like just existence without that condition because being is then perceived to be a condition that would imply that you know what what existence is subject to a condition of being and it feels just more fundamental or absolute than that but the the self is essentially what remains is that which reflects on experience so im not talking about the mind having an interpretation of experience but simply that which kind of reflects on experience and has therefore got the sense of i exist i am but also produces relationship and so thats this is really


i would have to say probably not its just that i think that the mind gets so active in trying to kind of like very quickly come up with things to say or stuff like that that it can feel like


centreless quality of aliveness


layer three of location four you know as you experience them there you know with that amazing richness and because its emotional the richness is emotional


so in the fullness just feels really full


i want to say infinite completeness


yeah thats where the fear comes up if i can get over to location two layer two


layer three seems more real than anything else


the fullness feels bigger


i would say not divine because i think i have a past experiences with divine that really the way i describe that is like almost something pulling me up from the sky like trying to pull me towards it like whether its outstretched hands or just that presence but this was not that this was im sort of on the same in the same field on the same level as everything and the love is sort of just all around


like glimpsing into layer four by doing like unprovoked happiness but and then the fact that it didnt last too long which is thats indicative of just the layer four but not location four thing


probably youre already doing all of that intuitively it would be my guess and then the other thing is there was you mentioned temporary glimpses when deeper of a shift of your identity into spaciousness


it just collapses


youre sort of still in the mind


layer one is interesting because theres like the active thought with the words the narrative in the head


vibrancy


and then the mind comes in with resistance at that point or deepening in that direction just kind of trying to keep your identity somewhat centered around layer one


spacious perception


location three its like they sink more into some aspect of the qualities that hold them in location three at at layer three you know and they dont quite get to you know the the progression from layer four and then location four kind of standpoint


i would just try to make layer three a home base by sinking in more and more and more to you know every aspect that you have access to relating to it


i would say play to your strengths for the moment write what you have access to that is further than layer one location one


in location three there was a certain clarity that i dont have now because it was like less commotion or deadness because like the love would infuse every thought so a thought would come up and instead of me where i am right now i dont want to deal with it it would just be like oh its okay its lets lets just sit with it and the loving feeling would just infuse every thought and then certain judgments that id have oh well i dont really need to look at it that way i can well i can just put love in this or i can just love it so that that id say that was like the most stark contrast


im more on the layer three since the feeling is really really sunny right now


if you were at layer three before that or something


a sense of of presence


its the latter its become the spacious emptiness


thats who knows some portion of layer three or some afterglow from layer three or some thread to layer three or whatever it is but then you know youre really going to want to spend time dedicated time sinking in and really clearly communicating to your system and to the habit formation in your attention that no no no its these things you know its not the spaciousness its not the emptiness its not the spacious emptiness its not the spacious emptiness combined with the fullness its the fullness its the presence its the infinite field thing its whatever


sense of container


sense of self shift all the way into layer one


just that your your descriptions of location three layer three and of deepening into the the divine and into the celestial beyond that or through that in that direction and the devotion and reverence and all that its its extraordinarily well put into words amazing and its i recognize it you know its its ive never heard someone else put it into words like that and it was just phenomenal to read you know so cool um wow and yeah i agree with the same of what i used to call the divine turned out to be the celestial that deeper you know its its very difficult to define it but yes like the the divine that is initially experienced in location three if it shows up that way that people are referring to is more like a construct than you know as as that falls away with the celestial orientation there is this way more i dont know what to do what lens to use at this fine but much more foundational and deep and profound vast kind of infinite sense of divinity


a feeling that you are the thinker im not sure whether what youre describing is really shifting your identity or whether youre just shifting the focus of your attention to be you know almost entirely occupied with thought or with you know speaking personality aspects and so on so that shift that were looking for if its you know true fluidity to layer one that would mean not only is your attention occupied with the contents of layer one but also the sense of self has moved into layer one like you are the personality you are the thinker you are the one speaking you know generating those


feels transparent


infinite emptiness or spaciousness and everything just shows up within it and disappears within it


i found an exemplar of someone who i found inspiring and how theyre navigating the world and it was only one week so who knows if the rest of his life is a mess but somehow energetically and his stability and his ability to pretty much be in grounded in the situation with a great deal of palpable presence and peace so again if i was kind of trying to reverse engineer it i was thinking well that s potentially like location three with access to one or location to layer three


pervading presence


nonduality thing


i think because it felt like theres this like almost cold empty space and a kind of clearness to it by just like a lot of like it empty empty is what it feels like empty


that you had mentioned that location two layer four is like not that likely to happen um and this this sense of like just what is or just you know everything is just the way it is or whatever um that doesnt seem to go in and out um but you know theres theres no perceptual difference to it its just you know its just like not an understanding but its just like it feels like once thats there why would you think otherwise you know


its very possible that youve had some glimpses of that so as you you know work with layer three and sinking in in that direction you might have memories come up like that


love compassion you know joy those were such a live motions


you know in your experience you may not be experiencing those as strongly as you otherwise would without being in layer three and having you know sort of the experience of layer three


a divine experience


which pulls you all the way back to layer one and location one basically as those as those experiences fade


it kind of flushes me with warmth you know its wonderful i wish i had that in winter


deeper stillness infused within the spacious emptiness


when you say luminosity what experience


i think the centralist thing might not relate to deep and layer three center lessness


everything arises


thats generally your sense of what you are except when your attention gets very pulled into layer one at which point we dont know for sure whether your identity shifts there or whether just all of your attention is occupied with it and youre not noticing the the space around things


there was just one thing i wanted to say its interesting listening to the way youre speaking because youll the way youre phrasing your experience by saying theres no me or i disappear or you know theres no self there is actually relative to the reference point of your ordinary sense of self so if you stabilize in layer three and really have that be your sense of self its theres more of a tendency to just say well am you know this kind of all pervading field of presence


layer three is going to add so much more freedom


its for everybody its like that experience i had on mount sinai when i encountered jesus


shifting into layer two


and but there s this is like one very positive feeling where that in a very strong connectedness to other people i so there is a sense of self but it s not  it s not important so it s but i can feel the difference


then you get increasing distance from that starting at layer two and working your way up through the layers


feels like a big space


presence i


i remember then i can sense the presence as initially as one of the objects that is in and then i have to sort of relax


layer one isnt in the mix as much and that can feel just so much more encompassing as an experience of nonduality


layer three sort of presence thing then that would suggest that you are fluidly moving at least some of the time


location two layer three because thats a really good place to talk to people


so in like a watcher kind of way


layer three that really resonates


theres not theres nothing centered on you perceiving those sounds either as a hearer or as a more localized but different from the rest of it sense of spaciousness or something like that you know as well


but in layer three it does become infused with more like again this bubbling energy with this joy and more softness its also a kind of openness but its more communicative with the environment its like more sensitivity and more energy and it can turn into joy also and gratitude things like that


spaciousness or presence


love is impersonal


it was pretty noticeable when we jeffrey did the sinking into layer two meditation that was more like distinct than my usual state


somehow to convince their system to go dual again so that they can take advantage of probably by that point where theyre at in layer three of location two to allow a switch


kind of a sense of the divine


first transition


more diffuse stillness


i have my doubts about that one because sometimes i feel like maybe a more like a layer four but because i dont feel theres a container per se but i do describe it as sort of a bubble of perception which is a container but i cannot find really a boundary to that so it doesnt really feel like a container to me


you know youre past the sense point obviously of layer two youre to the direct perceiving of layer two at various amounts of depth of layer two and even to the point where youre starting to get occasional periods of identity shifting into it and so thats you know a really good progression into layer two


so you might be more in that direction in the sense that you get that profound sense of peace and very little affect in that deeper place in layer three in location two then then you know and thats thats fine but if you want the love joy version of it um you may need to either try to bias your system in that direction by you know seeing if you can call up the love joy sort of qualities that tends to be a little bit shallower in layer


location three layer three


to be really functional as opposed to location two layer three


when you access layer one when youre triggered


theres been a lot of stillness and almost since even very early on when i asked you about fullness i started to be a stillness that came on almost like the stillness was providing you access to introspect on the fullness or something like that


sometimes yeah sometimes i certainly had it as i go a little bit deeper like as im kind of like more like with time space the time just space sort of yeah like maybe slightly different from all the other space but sort of space


would mean a loss of self loss of the center loss of beingness um loss of ones own existence so um so yeah its its natural that your system would kind of pull back to even if its just the upper reaches of layer three where there is awareness


like that joy is always there


kind of calm stillness


i think thats maybe why layer two seems less familiar


no thought feels true or important


and you can use that period to work on exploring and deepening into layer three where youre already at but you could also start seeing if you can develop some fluidity or access to layer three


mind is much more quiet


theres a flatness


intensely present


i do notice that when i do some deep work or i really go into that layer three experience that feeling will come up


when i do come into that spaciousness


the body can relax and the blocks can relax as well and a feeling of being of being connected to my environment feeling that around me and through me and more through through through the center of the of the of the heart area and feeling like it it is looking back at me and and yeah feeling a sense of of emptiness or loneliness or loneliness but but then it can change and it feels quite quite full and and that arises also within within the center of my heart or my space when my heart is and if i sort of feel feel feel into my heart theres a sense of sacredness or our maternal beingness there like a like a feeling of of of purity of purity of timelessness like like a sense of a sense of perfection um expression or play and um yeah sort of so thats when i do the exercises where i stop and look and thats what i tend to find but i guess sort of in my day to day life i feel as though me and i still have i still feel like im a self ive got a body but but i can just take a moment and i can i can feel that spaciousness around me and and often like ill work quite a lot so often ill be quite tired and i do that energy that really changes i feel much more energized and relaxed when i do that


and then you talked about a joy and deep peace spreading throughout you when you receive the eucharist


fullness as a is an attribute of layer three and so you know focusing on sort of a core attribute of layer three is no guarantee that its going to just continue to sort of deepen you further into layer three to the point where that will fall away the safest thing to sort of focus on is a sense of silence or stillness whichever one of those is most relevant to you and that in your experience is sort of thats the thread that sort of runs you know to the deepest point in this particular you know sequence um and so if i were to focus on anything it would probably be um you know to focus on that the other thing that i would focus on is trying to perceive whats on the other side of that boundary


disinterest and lack of affinity with others


it doesnt feel differentiated but like it doesnt feel like theres too much of a differentiation between me and the room and so the aliveness that i feel inside of me and my energy i guess is yeah i dont i dont see a clear distinction between that and whats going on around me


continual expansion


like when i met when i meditate or if i do someone noting im always saying im being being a lot


layer one level


but i think one thing that your layer one could do it would be nice your mind could do that would be nice and that you could do maybe in terms of reminding your mind would be to just be okay accepting more of your experience without all of this second guessing


seeing you as this magical being


layer one that you have greatly reduced selfreflexive thought story and past future


and so thats a deeper experience of both or of layer two than just directly experiencing it


and then goes up to layer two in location one


also have experience of emptiness and mean did


so id say for this weekend you know you can watch the layer two stuff play around with it if you want but probably or have more of an affinity to the layer three stuff


happy


how there is this experience as i go a little bit deeper how things are sort of like like they are frozen you know like in in toys i think thats the movie theyre the toys are all alive but then the kid looks at them they are like they are not moving so it sort of feels like that like everything is alive but its not moving because im looking at it and so as soon as i stop looking at it it will you know things will start moving


layer one through


yeah i would think probably not too it can really feel like a return to layer one if youve become more established


universal i would say that there was that guess i saw that fear wasnt necessary and that it was conditioned


theres a very spaciousness quality to that moment


god without it feeling divine


presence would generally be more layer three but can absolutely be layer two


clear openness never goes away


do you feel like its the fullness thats perceiving the spaciousness as in is your sense of what you are remaining kind of rooted in layer three and sort of becoming aware of the spaciousness or emptiness


regarding layer three right but id say its a minority of people that are going to experience either one of those i never experienced anything involving luminosity for instance i did experience sort of the viscous fluid thing heard a lot of other people describing the luminosity thing


sounds and colors and everything just becomes enjoyable


theres spaciousness there theres emptiness there


mystery


so you really want to be using your access to layer two you want to be trying to spend as much time as you can sinking into being the spaciousness when that occurs trying to get that to happen as much as you can trying to just sink into it you know put your attention on it sink into it communicate to your nervous system this is what we want this is what we want this is what we want


layer two


layer three is more like it feels like its this you know field of presence thats still and pervades everything infuses everything um rather than necessarily being the things you can get that type of experience but it certainly doesnt feel like its around things or its containing them it feels you know very clearly like its sort of yeah pervading everything


i am my thoughts and emotions


accepting the stillness


layer three with the help of the descriptions


sense that there is this sort of space within which the universe shows up or you can feel that you are that space


covarying with the active qualities of layer one


clear openness


certain qualities of layer two


if you were in layer three of location two and you were in a spot that had you something like joy or love or whatever arising then that would be your experience and so it s gotten a lot more nuanced as weve released more and more information and detail and just sort of had time to do that


im immediately noticing that im the witness um and then its obvious its easy to notice then that things have an emptiness about them and that theres


its like its got its own gravitational pull


because at that point its like the light cant turn towards it and light up inequalities and thats the only way you know that knowing has happened you know its always been relational even though its in union or it can be nondual but theres still that which knows like awareness that which lights up experience and when that entirely disappears into existence itself or into reality its only that unto itself which is entirely without those qualities


so then then i realized after reading the book like one and a half times so im like oh well maybe that spaciousness is whats referred to when im in meditation and theres this part of it where we call the ring space and i go there and its just just all space and it feels happy to be there um but the thing that confused me was that i couldnt say in that experience that everything was arising from that space its like someplace i go to so that thats why well maybe thats the beginning of layer two


because location two layer four can sound so much like


deeper stillness pervading and coexisting with the spaciousness and emptiness


maybe ive just been telling myself presence equals layer three


yeah so that definitely seems like a good direction for this this the next two weeks or whatever since were working on layer two


i definitely i definitely feel so when im one one thing thats shifted recently is that is that like in the last probably six months is that i used to whenever i would get bug reports i would react to them pretty negatively um sort of in a fear response kind of way like oh i fucked up and like im going to lose my job and you know not that i was really seriously entertaining that but just kind of like there was a gut feeling like that and um a while ago i noticed that if i just treated them as scientific investigations um that i could do i could do all of my debugging from layer two instead of from layer one and that was so much more pleasant and also so much more effective because im not wasting any time like oh this is going to be bad theres going to be you know like all of this like reflective thought about like you know whats going wrong and what the implications of this is gone like forget it dont worry about it just do the debugging and so yeah i mean but you know i also feel like i mean ive had experiences of layer three


nothing like not much emotion going on


layer one is going to percolate you know to an active state in that situation


presence made of the space


so in layer two i think sometimes im affected by my sister has also taken this course and her descriptions of that sense of unity


ill drift back out to usually like layer three


silence is really big


layer two is sometimes more effective for that


dont notice the stillness and the spaciousness anymore


even the visual field itself kind of like um narrows so theres like this huge feeling of relaxation and freeness that i feel in what im calling layer three


be layer three


but i felt like there was a very distinguishable sort of feeling that you know everything was just arising and that everything was that spacious container that rang with me so much i used that to kind of deepen into layer two and it was really nice like what a fantastic space sensation


with layer two


blister action more like what is the very foundational stillness within it and the senselessness of it um so those are kind of the qualities of the really the deepest reaches of of layer three


you start to get a sense or an awareness of a level of pure existence that is the deepest silence the deepest stillness thats within awareness


the energy


might say aliveness


yeah it is so this this stillness is a bit more still like the presence sort of is like it was like a like you know with it wasnt quite still but it was a bit more still in fullness or much more still in fullness


when youre in layer one its mostly rooted in a higher layer whether its layer two or layer three or even layer four


it might be a deeper a deeper experience of layer three and location two where its all the divine and your individual sense of self has further fallen away um because if there was just from the way you describe it you can correct me if im wrong but in location three you would feel like the self is dissolving into the divine um or sort of coming into union with it it wouldnt feel like it just gone and theres only the divine functioning through you


but if youre rooted more in layer one


merged with experience


i was going to i was just thinking about i was just going to say it feels like there feels like expansion within the fullness


the one that were really talking about in the slides is at the end of layer three


openness


yeah its definitely not going to reach your level but that doesnt mean its not impacting your actions and the decision making lower down at layer one


layer two and how much i really dont like it i like i really dont like it when i get into layer two but thats thats where i was pulled from my home and my friends and my school and my life like my clothes everything i mean from an eight year old point of view it was like my life ended im recognizing now that i probably have some deconditioning to do there specifically at layer two


location two also combination layer one


it mean like it does feel like theres a kind of contraction here right so im like okay this is obviously the listener i get it but it also at the same time feels spacious


a place of like a deep safety


spaciousness is coming i dont know how to describe it


yeah yeah i think so yeah


its aliveness


pure layer three


i can get in touch with spaciousness


then do the same thing with layer three you know sink into layer three as much as you can while you have that sort of worst case type imagination happening and all of the conditioning up around it and let layer three to work its magic just you know hold it hold it active in your mind as much as you can in your experience as much as you can in terms of whatever that worst case scenario type thing would be or variations of it or whatever


joy with the eucharist


fourth layer


but it sounds to me like youre at least in experiencing layer two with the classic descriptors of spaciousness and emptiness and that kind of thing


so i can feel for example centreless untouchable and presence i do not feel joy but i can i can feel a lot of stillness


beingness or presence or knowingness


sensing of fullness coexisting with the emptiness


spaciousness is usually when im trying to hit layer two


yeah so the class or the session following the layer two session will be layer three


all of my thoughts went away my mind is so still whatever else compared to the buzzing noise that was before and your normal egoic narrative sense of self


merging with experience


you know your thoughts and emotions that are sort of seeing a glimpse of spaciousness or something from where theyre at it sounds more like youre rooted in a stillness and a silence and a peacefulness a silence and a peacefulness are the words that you use that has you know more spaciousness from thoughts and emotions and like maybe your you know accessing layer one more


i didnt really experience it much at all it did talk a lot last year and i had no idea what it was like and in that course we experienced that and it was really nice


so did it have a sense of senselessness


even if you were to go to a you know a more heavy layer three experience in location four you know the definitions and feel and sense and what youve abided and up to this point its like a night and day difference from a layer three perspective


you talk about having space around the motions watching them come and go


emptiness doesnt resonate at all


there is not being nor is there not being right


just everything and this happened to me like every time im sinking like deep


default is more silence and more peace and more distance from thoughts and emotions you might be rooted in layer two during those times


piece moves more to the foreground


i looked into a bit of attachment theory and then i so i sat down the first of the month you know to do the exercise you know i literally got an airbnb in the forest for a week and said i would just go through the finders book go through the wheres the locations book and just start writing stuff down so i started writing stuff down and then i kept just getting super triggered so i just took a pillow and i just like hugged a pillow for like ten hours a day for the whole week and i think it was must have been an attachment theory thing because when i started feeling safe certain triggers started coming up and then boom instead of the trigger you know me like going into safety mode it just ended up releasing and then i must have been a week ago found myself in location three four and you know not for a few minutes but for a more consistent period of time a couple of days so now i think im a little further back down in location two later three


looking out at the space


will there be a is there when theres a when theres a trigger and you go down


like a weighted blanket kind of pressure so guess it feels a little heavy but in a in a desirable kind of way


i have consistent access to joy and equanimity at minimum but im always like its fantastic


you know you never quite know how these things are going to play out when the jumps occur for the first you know times um but yeah theres theres heading in the direction of layer four and through it to location four


the emptiness


seer


layer one i can the thoughts and emotions seems very impersonal


layer two it relates to the sense of the spaciousness being everywhere being everything


the fullness does still feel like its here again um


it would still feel like everythings just showing up you would just have most of your attention centered on the mind and there would be some individual sense of self associated with that but not that felt sense of this thing


go for the joy


deconditioning


theres very little layer two in it have you ever had an experience that was solely layer two you know like really just emptiness without a sense of fullness


then theres the fullness is accompanied by


being beingness or presence or the divine


that makes sense because remember like the first ever transition had into fundamental wellbeing and then a second transition when i went probably to a deeper layer i think those two transitions felt very strong and noticeable quite dramatic mean they were not like you know catastrophe dramatic like some people have but you know they were unmissable right whereas this feels this shifting between what might be layer three


that sense of being presence being presence and being everywhere


its a shallow sort of layer two


qualities of the joy


targeting the location two layer three sort of charmed life type of sweet spot in part to get a sense of sort of the magic that can really be in life


its more like 21 so mostly layer one as i am still very much in the world and not so out there doing stuff


seems like its just sort of showing up


layer one when im talking with people


space perceiving


feel like spacious


experience of awareness becoming aware of itself


and so if youre deeper in just the spaciousness and youre really sunk into it and whatnot


fullness of presence


spaciousness is coming from that side from your left side


i think its predominantly a location two layer three im just thinking of like recent glimpses i think of being in union where like im just driving and and i just completely


im that layer three some aspect of the layer three type experiences


full related space or a more emptiness related space or something like that


yeah let me describe some things that could be happening for you and you can tell me whether it resonates or whether parts of it do or you know what your sense is around that so that deeper layer you know beyond layer four um what it makes possible is a very a great degree of fluidity in a certain sense but even a kind of almost as if youre in a greater like more a greater dimension than the matrix and you can kind of see all of it


it just feels like the words become simple


that means youve got quite a lot of range in terms of different qualities of layer two that youre able to experience um the spaciousness the all containing nature of it


when something is very beautiful there is still this sense of im noticing its very beautiful


layer three of location two because youll be experiencing some sort of separation some sort of union


you could be a dominant experience when your mind when youre when your system is just relaxing right it can just be zoomed out into its default location that might be like location two layer two


what might be thought of as a beingness type of beingness


no separation


and and to that point so what i mentioned earlier with the teachers ive been working with and really working with one of my buddhist teachers thats the person i was referring to really made a huge difference and also my ability to access nonduality but a big emphasis there was feeling emotions


i feel like nothing there


not the nothingness


increase things like the motivation problem


centralis and connected


in that moment do you think that youre just moving deeper into layer two


not a divine type of love


and then when you realize your all of your attention is on layer one


which would still mean that the mind is quite dominant in your experience


its more like spaciousness and yeah when im deep in there its like im this space im just this space and everything is arising in it even me


difference between revelation and illumination versus selfexperience


im whats interesting you know you ask some questions that i listened to earlier ones about emotion and its an interesting one because i mean all those questions are great things to reflect on because emotion you know when you talk about love and ive really noticed when you ask that question because love is an emotion um its tricky because its so deeply ingrained of what it is that it clearly not that i can but its a totality of what is showing up and so theres just you know i think one of the words i heard is love is just what is and i didnt understand it and now thats all there is theres just the love of what is and since i dont know what this is or this is theres a love for that too and i think you know maybe im talking to one of the biggest ones was knowing about emotion and how its not here and they extend it whether its here or not and only knows when it shows up as i said i separated from my wife and thats not been easy but its now pretty solid here but still she resents very deeply what happened and you know theres no forgiveness there so when it was interactions she usually ends up with some type of unpleasantness toward me and there was the last time its just i just felt this exuding sense of love and compassion for what was being expressed and it had nothing to do with ear and it was just no feeling of emotion arising it was just an openness of saying yes that too and you know that just kind of blew me away i hadnt felt that before


pervading all experience


the mind content that buzzing is you know been pulled away from even more


but it certainly sounds like youre predominant location is location to layer three it sounds like you probably can get pulled down to layer one


you mentioned that it feels like the presence is equally present everywhere


full sense of aliveness


bubble of my being it feels in a way more pleasant


no distinct sense of an eye that is thinking


alive


it seems pretty clear that im in location three layer three and its just theres just this strong overriding sense of joy and contentment


can seem like a gift


it feels like my bodys included in it like its much larger than my body


all pervading quality


infusion of energy


thats certainly possible i can understand you know a sense of aliveness in the body right being comingled with an aliveness with sort of the aliveness as one of the words or one of the one of the aspects of the sense of presence


layer three in a sense theres i was just having a friend dinner with a friend last night and i said the one thing even layer four i said i which is where i investigate i still have a thing of i care about what people think about me and i say that theres no self well thats just silly but the conditioning and ive looked at it and done spend time with it and its almost laughable in a certain way the way it arises i can see it and i kind of laugh at it but it still shows up so in some sense theres some sense of emotion around that you know so i say yeah so theres what it is for me is freedom um thats why i even say low layer four early location four yeah all of that you know it just continue to deepen and free this to be just whats here


deep sense of joy quiet joy appears and it feels like this joy is almost at the heart of everything that i perceive


richness


i was going to say that the stillness feels like home


empty spaciousness


that i dont know how we deserve it and its not even a deserved thing but its there for all of us and its so its so astonishing that im just in awe and in humbleness and thats so thats part of that echo of that experience on mt sinai comes through thats what im thats whats coming through when i receive the eucharist and its not even an echo its pretty strong sometimes


diminishing access to layer two


something into this experience of two so my experience of this has you know its just now releasing a lot of the as of a couple of days ago thought it might be wise to look at this yeah so um so ive been experiencing you know this very strange weird nonduality type


sensory experience


its all still that layer three that fullness that bliss that aliveness its all there always


fullness and richness with presence


listener is in your head


but again that is if i choose to focus in that way and i dont have a sense of emptiness rather i would say when i you know when if i just feel its more of a sense of fullness that im experiencing and i feel like i experienced that in the world as well so not just in myself and but then when i relate to people for example that is still going to be you know im still going to default back into seeing us as two separate individuals right and you know very much in that way


richness of layer three


coming from somewhere maybe its moving in um mhm it feels more like a place where i can exist with the headache at the same time


wanted to see if we could use that to maybe get you fluid between location one and location two because were not really worried about you not popping back for anybody thats listening to this dont do that dont do what i just had to do just as like a default normal exercise i have an enormous amount of faith in where ted is anchored and the fact that he would pull back there its possible if you reconstitute the looker that you get stuck back in location one and then thats that and whatever else right i wasnt worried about that with ted for those of you listening and so you know you wont hear me do that very often this is one of those rare times when i felt like it would be okay to do it yeah so in this case i think what youre experiencing are sort of those remaining remnants down at layer one and location two


theres a awareness thing through well its not even that its less than that its just whats seen and i dont even know what that is because when thought is taken out of it theres no no location theres certainly no me in here and there and theres no attributes theres no colour theres no shapes i mean they are there because we can describe them as that but when i come back into really question what is there oh theres just this and the same thing goes with the center of the body which fall into the spaciousness it becomes even seen ive just noticed how in itself is a is a vibration i never knew a character is seen i always thought seen was vision but is vision but theres a sense the way it comes through has nothing to do with anything except its kind of a vibration happening and thats what it feels like to me anyway and thats open up seeing because in that is the emptiness in a certain way theres nothing here enter the void and yet when its infused with awareness it opens up to oh well this is it this this this and theres a fullness there so i dont know if thats helpful in


of layer four


does the joy feel personal


youre identifying more youre identifying at layer two essentially which is the classic description spaciousness emptiness mystery as well


and spaciousness


layer two with a whole bunch of other people who are immersing themselves in layer two at the same time


awesome um so probably it would still be good if you feel up to to spend the next two weeks working on layer two just for its deconditioning benefits and increased flexibility in your system


the fullness and the and the presence


distinct consciousness thats its own


very conscious


mystery and deepening


it feels like its around and in everything like for example the easiest thing like with like when i close my eyes and and i look at that buzzing and tingling then every individual tingle theres awareness of it and the awareness is sort of in the experiencing but also sort of around it around everything at the same time in and around i dont know if thats pervading


at the shallower part of layer three just a kind of warm benevolent container


consciousness


layer three type of glimpse a sweet spot glimpse really of location three


layer one while still immersed


the fullness and so on um what happens in both cases both with the fullness and when i reach the more of a peaceful emptiness is um theres still a sense of an underlying field again like the self


the thing about all the things that youre mentioning is that they really you know for someone else could be something that might you know trigger them going to a lower location or something like that but theyre not necessarily things that would hold someone in a location you know like you can be in location one layer two as your dominant experience and still have you know triggers that pull you down to layer one or something but nonetheless be anchored you know at a higher layer than that or even over in location two


more alive


sometimes its emptiness


and then i just realized thats just because i kind of default to layer three at the moment so presumably if i moved further up i would be like maybe i can just i think thats thats just the gravity but yeah


i was just like deliberately going into you know the experience of of location three or of layer three because thats what ive been obsessing about lately


when i was in layer four then this dreamy thing is all gone and its just a reality


im still in awareness immersed in awareness


imagination or if its really full


knowingness


i still feel like im very much a location in location one and it s just going to layer two


that distance is the way something can show up in layer two when people are especially screws with people who are like athletic and like you know play baseball or basketball or whatever else suddenly they sort of suck for a period of time because they you know their spatial perceptions


distant from layer one in terms of where your perception is centered


quality of clear openness


definitely a noticeable shift but if its if its gradual it can just slowly fade in in terms of those deepest reaches of layer three already feeling like theres no possible separation like theres no self even though theres a subtle sense of self in terms of there being being or beingness


because its nothing


fullness and more presence and stuff


changing more into space itself


layer one even in location three


i almost cant feel the emptiness its too full


empty or full like the layer two


these watcher lookers


not really it feels pretty full it feels more full


joy


from layer 3 when one deepens into it


less personal drama


transition


love my family


when youre describing like a deeper nonduality is the absence of layer one


layer three its like you go there and its just immediately gone


love


so like i tend to function at location one in the mind i think but with the exercise that we did with the introspection exercise um i could sort of feel space around my body um and and or behind my body really like i guess ive got it written down here some of the notes i took um so im feeling of of existing beyond my body um especially the back of my body like the back of my body doesnt exist and this can change so it feels like my my body doesnt exist um can feel like the body this way and and our space im moving through the world


weve got certainly have experiences of layer two


how nonduality is experienced it doesnt feel like you see yourself in everything or that type of thing at all


layer three presence


paradox for people


another type of presence


so if ive been in my own space not engaging with people for a few hours or maybe even a couple hours


so stillness


layer two of that spacious beingness that feels like your real nature is always there


both empty and full


so its always functioning from a kind of separate perspective if youre paying attention to it


so ive been working on that for decades anyway um but there are some things i dont have access to like dont have access to i cant see or hear or feel the effects of of the energy transmission but that people tell me about later after the concerts over um so i dont have a sense of where exactly its going other people have been able to see that observe that process happening but um for me im just aware of it all radiating out and very very centered and very spacious


think the same could be true for you like you literally transitioned to location three in the finals course probably your system would have has no actual limitation in being in location three layer three


so in layer two i dont have any positive nor negative emotion is like very neutral


just whatever is noticing


loss of all separation


in layer three that youre able to access now and really sinking into those as much as you can um do you have like can you sink into the direction of that meta emotion like are there qualities of love joy compassion that are accessible to you in layer three


up through that location im sorry layer one


theres a smear of the mind in there too and even maybe how i experienced layer three as well


thats kind of i suppose you could think of it as a very shallow experience of layer two certainly because you have sense of spaciousness as well sort of crossing over into layer two


i am that i am that fullness


and then theres the the implication or the intimation of a of a kind of sparkling a shimmering and energy aliveness to stuff um its almost like a its almost like a mischievousness like a laughter


in some aspects of it its individual and some aspects of these locations we could have very granular you know type of changes we find its almost impossible to communicate those to people you know that it just sounds like a smear and so we cluster things at the at the boundary of what is a smear able sounding thing for the most part yeah yeah and so thats what allows me to listen to an experience like yours and think you know dont think that was so much a location three experience probably as maybe something more in location two layer three yeah all right


because were talking talking about earlier about this peripheral and can be like a big peripheral sometimes where its where its a sense of almost like world mind body like a whole or universe mind body


the losing of that illusion nothing is gained


impersonal joy love compassion is often described as being sort of a quality of of what is or quality of the presence or quality of the field or the knowingness


so that that would that sounds in the direction of the experience of something that is like a center but entirely impersonal quality of that without any personal attributes at this point um yeah its interesting there are other ways you describe things like not not relating to the phrase theres only this but youll say things like theres all arising or even theres all this all this and so a lot of those phrases or even just saying like everything is its not separate its all interdependent or its all showing up um all of that is still making reference and placing attention or emphasis on all or everything as if theres still a subtle perception of multiplicity which in that very pure experience of layer four


space that youre experiencing as kind of the locus of the seeing


from layer three most of the time


i noticed like i was a little concerned when you said it might be location one im like oh no i want location two so there is this kind of things that come up all the time and even though ive become like really aware of them its just it just still comes up and i still experience it and there is like there is some a little bit of a feedback loop if there is some frustration with that oh again so thats that feels like layer one at layer two


so when you say the word resonance for layer two you feel like you have a resonance with layer one but not with layer two


its a just the awareness whether its it seems to be really full these days like and then i can see theres emptiness there but then i dont i dont think i stay in the like layer two emptiness for long


presence feels kind of special


but it a get deeper version of layer three its definitely been i guess enhanced or like shown what is possible and really just me seeing how much me being in location two later three is just kind of i mean the word id say is zombified like almost its easy for me to just sort of escape in that way and feel okay about it and then suddenly going into three three same thoughts same thoughts that would come up in vacation two that i would just escape from suddenly oh wow i have this extra feeling of love i dont have to leave i can just be here and oh they dont you know it doesnt get worse it actually just releases then i think what brought me down a bit the last few days has just been working and you know the casino environment is not even though ive been used to it its not exactly the best for deepening yeah so i think im literally like 29 like im just below the three and you know now i got the next week off so i think ill um go back into it i got this interesting thing called um a hug sleep so its basically an adult swaddle like um i dont know whatever they use it compresses you so you just sleep in it and it just feels like somebodys hugging you so that seems to be working on the attachment theory stuff


joy and the fullness and all of that


heavily divine or pan psychic or massive amounts of joy or love


sounds like you know layer three of location two


so like a sense of just being more present with the body


experience spaciousness first sometimes emptiness first


you have phenomenologically you have a more reports around fullness and stuff like that um


so that does sound like you know youre able to touch upon some aspects of layer three that begin to infuse the spaciousness of layer two having a very deep experience of layer two where you arent even getting that sense of a container like its already feeling more like a field


if theyre coming out of layer three location three um you know then so theres always this mix i think youre in a situation where even fairly recently this is you know deepening and developing more in the direction from sort of the top part of location to over into increasingly rooting itself in layer four and for you


if you think about divinity as sort of a lower vibrational form of the celestial and you think about the celestial as a potential onramp for a for a very flexible system like yours but not in its lower form not in its mid range form i mean just in its highest most pure most transcendent form and so thats what you would really want to try to find and sink into and the experience of the divine if you wanted to play around with going to the to the celestial yeah be careful of the celestial you know from a relationship standpoint and stuff though of course because like your sex drive will drop off if that matters to your husband or something


and it also sounds like youre able to shift your sense of self into layer two with some focus on layer two and really sinking into it


so the love side felt a little the love facet sort of felt a little blocked did it feel like it was it feel like all of these these things were sort of present as one unified kind of meta emotion at one time with just different facets forward like a joy facet forward at some times a love facet forward at another time


most of the time curious and open rather than fearful


delight


although a soulless version of a dark night of the soul word doesnt make a lot of sense to them and so there are these there are such significant changes identity wise for you in that leap from layer three to layer four location four


i think if you have a some kind of feeling drawn to that and to exploring that i think it is aligned with your um yeah your your feeling called to be a benevolent presence in the world and thats its aligned with that very much and it could produce enough of an identity shift that it would loosen the fixity in layer two of location two


first layer of depth


dual


its kind of experienced as the joys for everything or all of everything


separation


emptiness or got quite emotional


so so the joy is infusing the knowingness or its coming to the foreground in the knowingness its


layer two potentially


location two layer three you might find openings especially through that joy over to location three and you can see if that makes sense


they were clearly layer three qualities in addition like a feeling or like a rich experience and the fullness of aliveness


sort of got confounded with the descriptions of aliveness and so on and layer three but you might


field like presence


um but then your second point was getting some fluidity to layer two which given that deconditioning is something that is important to you and that youre working on thats probably a good idea


if it was in layer two it would be you moving up to that boundary between layer two and layer three and starting to experience that which is totally possible


layer three of location


space or that sometimes full sometimes less full


i guess sort of like a flowing


any sense of stillness


doesnt feel empty or in the beginning it can feel like the emptiness is sort of infused with presence or beingness or fullness um some people might describe it as an aliveness but it doesnt feel empty any longer


youre just like seeing it from you know outside of its space time or something


and from there you can also see layer one theres a very good connection between layer three and one and location two


the self falls away


m starting to play around with the space between objects so that just to see how if i can move the perceptions it seems like this is all it seems like its all new to me


actually made up of that spaciousness


only location one layer two seemed to get a graphic and the bird looks a little confused


layer three is nice but it doesnt beat netflix and cheetos


its all just there


contains everything is everything is just here


mostly youre viewing layer one


then the fullness that you mentioned from experiences of layer three


the space is always here


and then goes over to location two and layer two and so on and so forth from there


so if i do if i meditate in a certain way i have meditated and it happens and i drop into more of a kind of equalized more still flat perception i would say or just not not perhaps not maybe not flat but its like dropping into a different dimension if you could say that like thats not really its not about the physical that much anymore as much as its a different its like residing in a different field that is more quiet and peaceful and if i sink in in my day to day life i can also go go pretty quickly to that straight away actually but i again i guess i choose not to because again somewhere along the way i think one of my teachers emphasized also feeling the fullness but thats analysis for something else but yeah ive experienced that quite a few times


from layer one


does it go beyond your body


help us sort of get a general context of where youre at and i think in some cases youre probably getting glimpses of layer three in location one


it feels quite a bit more spacious now


perceive the world


unless theres some crazy conditioning or something that pulls someone down or which is which often has to be like some significant trauma in the system that just locks them into like layer two of location four you know at which point theyd probably rather not be in fundamental wellbeing


the only thing that you havent had happen in layer two is there is something that can happen where the where the center sort of falls away you do have a very centered system still and you can sort of progress yourself through layer two to a degree of detail where the center can fall away there thats like a layer two center just like a center can fall away


whereas layer three can be a lot easier to live life from so if that experience was something you loved its cool


if i pay attention i can i can go back to layer two


theres still spaciousness on one side and fullness on the other


we want to think about it that i think part of it is always with someone that we have to you know really come to grips with that really give our systems permission for that really communicate that were okay with that youve spent a long time now telling your system this is what i want experience wise something like this it doesnt have to be exactly like this im open to some variation but you know within these boundaries right and now youre more or less saying something very different than that to go to location four layer four and location three


vastness


emptiness aloneness


a lot of love and compassion present


theres a lot of spaciousness and a feeling of a space of awareness in which thoughts emotions sensations perceptions arise and its very very much a default for me you know i dont identify necessarily purely with just the contracted sort of psychological inner being and a physical body i do feel more expanded and feel like all of the the whole the entire bubble of perception is sort of me or im made up of that same whatever that is


i have so much energy


i dont remember specifically targeting layer three


layer three thats like more of a layer three center


but there can be a sense of that also without the medicine like this is my this is my universe view so this is my universe view and there are a whole lot of other universe views that im overlapping with so i feel a bit like a venn diagram where were creating some sort of joint reality the there can be a kind of a sense like that so i dont know whether thats more location to layer to sorry


it s really a direct experience and i think you are having even from location one the sense of layer three


there are moments when i tend to sit out on my lookout and i tend to sing a lot and i just love singing and just creating that energy


its a perspective of you know sort of having seen through the stuff at layer three


joy bliss and sometimes just expansion like really just limitless expansion and letting go of


the magical sense is arising and becoming more foreground and its starting to feel like theres a miraculous quality to everything


aware of everything youre related to it as the likeness of existence which is the aliveness is a layer three kind of quality


three


so you might even have conditioned your system to perceive it that way because youve used it as an access point for layer two by paying attention to the space rather than the content of the space


generate theyre generating thoughts and and feelings according to the environment and and kind of can not believe them or can just ignore them or study them if they want so so so thats the thats the good days so i think when i when i can do that thats my layer two


loneliness


beingness or a presence


normal enhanced functioning of the mind


space is one thing and then presence is another thing and dont it doesnt feel like presence is made of space though i wouldnt be opposed to them being made of the same stuff


an emptiness


layer two also to some degree is a good match for your internal psychology


when i got triggered i got pulled back to layer one


layer three this sense of like you know a field of something or some substance to stuff seems not at all there


i have very little emotion now apart from you know just a lightness dont really get angry even if something upsets me its over almost before it starts i dont really get attached to anything ive lost a lot of sense of memory or worrying about the past or think about the future im much more in the moment um and id be tempted to say location too except i dont have that nondual aspect i dont feel like ive got that i dont feel that theres someone here really i know that theres no one here like an individual entity watching but it still seems like theres a center here so if i look back i cant say yeah its its difficult to and i can step away from that as well so i can see it myself arising and i can see whatever else is arising as well so for example when i wake up in the morning there is no me at all its just quite nice very pleasant just sort of feel myself sinking into the body feeling the sensations and then it might be a little while it might be i dont know its probably only minutes but you know then a thought will pop up and then it kind of another thought and it might be about yesterday or tomorrow


whole experience is center less


thinker or the thoughts


so when you arent in moments where you arent the layer three version


having consciousness at layer three liveliness and emotion can be felt in both living and nonliving things


very fluid and integrated across layers 1


fullness is three


arising


and its still kind of have that aliveness or that awareness quality is still being differentiated from existence


perceiving the watcher and looker


the nervousness


its interesting i dont really feel like theres a big sense of self happening at that point when i when i think about it because like really whats going on is that im just like you know absorbed in this thing like and when i say im absorbed in this thing i just mean its occupying all of my all of my conscious awareness um and its not uh its not like im you know to use buddhist terms i dont really feel like im grasping to a self at that point its just like im in that place where the self grasping would have been


very rich and full


and then you can start you know when we start the layer three session


stillness or silence that you can possibly sense in in layer three


when you remember and theres presence which of which of these two things feels more like the case


dont have to expect to have like some kind of great observational or analytical type of capacity


layer two standpoint


layer four


okay so thats a good one for you to sink into to kind of get your system to realize you know this is a nondual experience


presence permeates the space


layer two just feels kind of out of phase with that


a sense of pervading fullness fullness that permeates everything you say you often have a subtle sense of this sometimes so subtle that you wonder if youre imagining it


senseless


responsibilities in my life


nondual


is your body located in the fullness and the hows that hows it spatially


aliveness centered in your body


emptiness seems to come further down the line and so if spaciousness is there a little bit more present in the experience and you can remember instances where you shifted into and would have said


freedom is really big for me and i have thought when when im at layer four or whatever i could see that i would want to go on easily i could easily see that i would the path of freedom seemed like


deeper stillness which is in the direction of layer three


showing up or constriction in the body


um and then when you were talking about like think layer four in your presentation in the six hour class and you were talking about


this is nonduality


if its layer three then uh it feels it feels like if i go beneath the spaciousness


like even right now im feeling a little bit the gosh its like a warmth right here in my in my you know kind of chest and just torso you kind of stomach area and just i wouldnt its in the family of joy but i wouldnt call it joy necessarily its also the related to this idea that just and you know that everything is going to be okay but its somehow stronger than that well theres a few things


so what about a sense of spaciousness or emptiness


no time no space no sense of self


how deep you might be in layer three


love for everything


really explore layer two


like just at that crossing point of layer two where theres still enough of association with layer one for it to react to the experience of layer two that youre having and kind of produce that negative reaction


nothing is gained


it sounds more like containing


sense of agency


layer three of location two is where i want to be


s im not im not you know concluding this yet but it does look like that that description is more layer two


but if not like the usual like in my daily life its more like layer one


looker or a seer


you say the sense of presence that is calm vibrant and alive can be like a loud silence theres a sense of electricity in the air for some reason its much easier to notice in a natural setting outdoors outdoors with your eyes open it seems to hang in the air with my eyes closed its very hard to describe theres a scintillating energy that is in my body but not defined by the edges of my body no boundary has a sense of aliveness it feels like an energy field its like a constant hum like the hum you hear an electrical station its a metaphor of course it doesnt literally hum when i focus on it i start to notice a feeling tone it has a joy and a positivity a contentment warmth glow


all pervading field or beingness or a type of business or life


alone


youve seen me present it where someone lands in location one layer one


im going through all this is like in my mind to get me there is all is god is everywhere all is love is everywhere there is only this right so thats my mental loop to try to get me there and get me into feeling into that space um uh and then so thats three three and two three its more of taking the spaciousness of layer two and then feeling into the presence that shows up into layer two and not quite filling the space wouldnt be quite accurate but shifting the space from feeling the emptiness to feeling the presence


notice


you know a depth of layer three that just releases something thats


i can remain in layer three


and then i watch the mind do its tricks for example itll put me asleep or zone out or these are all tricks that i recognize and but it still manages at times to catch me up but i can sink in it almost immediately into that feeling of silence


spaciousness and layer two


in layer three there can also be that emotion that shows up thats like a combination of joy and love and compassion with any one of them forward at any given time and often theyre perceived as the same or qualities of the same something you know field or whatever and so you know when asked people generally wouldnt say well no those those emotions are different from the presence


what about the the the stuff in layer four like a sense of flatness of perception the sense that theres sort of just this


fluidity


aliveness yeah the aliveness sensation wouldnt be layer three you know strictly you know it may correlate to layer three


and hows the stillness high or low


no ability to separate it


if you wanted to see if you could go in the direction of the celestial one thing to do especially sort of from location three which is kind of an ideal spot is to really put your attention on sinking into just that divine aspect and sort of an increasingly transcendent part of the divine and so if you imagined some sort of more in the direction of layer four


but i think i probably got good access to to layer three and lie three ive always felt alive three im fairly easily never really felt lied to but through this exercise i could i could feel i could feel lied to a bit more


single point of stillness


layer one more accessible strangely


itll move as you as you sink in but just what you can do is is sink into that experience and really let your system recognize that theres an entirely different experience of what you are or of being than there normally is and while the personal self is you know temporarily either in the background or dissolved there is still beingness you know its not like youve ceased to exist and so you can just let your system kind of recognize that what you are is more foundational than the the personal sense of self that can just fall away because that is already what youre experiencing its just that the recognition of it isnt necessarily happening at the deepest level that it can


center less


layer one as arising as part of a singular field of experience


this seer or looker


but like the distances between things dont seem any bigger than usual the space itself feels very big and infinite and


location two layer three the charmed life kind of thing is to have things come to you if that can be used as a phrase or at least using the agency to kind of make that happen


so as you continue to work in with and sink into stillness and just trying to get to the sort of the maximum of that that is possible stillness silence


sense of an all pervading field of presence or fullness or silence pervading everything field of silent presence whatever um it can be a field of aliveness but its a nonphysical experience or non sensory kind of perception


then maybe glimpsing the layer three


it all is just there


shift into layer three as a sense of what you are and into the fullness


and so were going to start on the 29th going into layer two


im in location one layer one at this moment


full sense of self and a personality


and your spiritual system happens to end at a certain point of layer three in location two


in layer four


meditation


can be a fullness


subjective sense that you are the thinker and you are the agent of the thoughts rather than what youre probably experiencing


other stuff is very clearly out there somewhere


layer one


location three layer three maybe you experience again that you feel like you have a soul kind of thing or something


emotionless track


youre getting a glimpse of layer three and location one


or layer two and have an immense amount of activity at layer one


there there is like a distinct sense of self there when youre in it


it sounds a little bit like you might in a way you sound like almost locked in to layer to


fullness and the energy


feels like a sense of fullness and energy the warmth those types of things


the eucharist


not metaphysical or mystical


rarely there when youre in location when youre in what you think is location two layer two that s just the default experience that s rarely the default experience that type of thing as well


theres an awareness that is awareness of everything happening inside my body and outside my body and expanding way out which encompasses all the people in the space that im singing for um so its inclusive its an inclusive awareness um thats the way i have understood it in the past thats a thats actually a term used just in music performance


so full


when i do think in i spend more time focusing on the fact that there is space and that something is further away rather than focusing on the space


and we dont know its just one quick observation you know in one moment um so see if you can sink more deeply into the stillness


only reality just unfolding


very attached to my mind


mind feels clearer


im being more passive and you know and i think itll be important for me to recognize that a lot of what i do is really passive


but you talk about boundlessness you often talk about things like boundaryless boundaryless field of awareness you know awareness is a term that is more associated from our perspective with layer three


strong sense of presence


less concerned about being functional in the world


how does anything happen at all


deepening into that stillness


everythings right here


probably  and then you can always of course remember that right um and so you know if if right now what feels like is happening is that union you know dissolving however we want to think about it kind of thing right um it doesnt mean that you cant remember the other thing


if that makes sense and what happens is sometimes its fullness


just kind of just is its it has a sense of awareness like it knows everything its theres nothing that can its outside of time and space and yet okay its in everything it sees everything it knows everything it theres nothing where it isnt yeah it doesnt fit thats why it doesnt feel like a container to me when i look at that way


its kind of like a shallow experience of nonduality


location two layer four is an easier traverse between going between the layers and to then when you flip into four it


maybe primary silence and presence would be the two


fullness to it and feeling a presence


experiencing layer two


suppression of peace


you can just go straight from layer one to like a deep layer of you know location two in a very brief period


perceiving the fullness less


kind of isolated experience of what sounds layer four


and so perhaps stillness or silence is one direction spaciousness or that sense of it containing everything everything just arising spontaneously within it whatever it is


sense of spaciousness


layer one is temporarily absent


theres a sort of draw towards it for myself feels kind of like a natural place for me just like compassion and love feel very inherent to my being in some way


the body can relax and and the blocks can can relax as well and a feeling of being of being connected to my environment feeling that around me and through me and more through through through the center of the of the of the heart area and feeling like it it is looking back at me and and yeah feeling a sense of of emptiness or loneliness or loneliness but but then it can change and it feels quite quite full and and that arises also within within the center of my heart or my space when my heart is and if i sort of feel feel feel into my heart theres a sense of sacredness or our maternal beingness there like a like a feeling of of of purity of purity of timelessness like like a sense of a sense of perfection um expression or play and um yeah sort of so thats when i do the exercises where i stop and look and thats what i tend to find but i guess sort of in my day to day life i feel as though me and i still have i still feel like im a self ive got a body but but i can just take a moment and i can i can feel that spaciousness around me and and often like ill work quite a lot so often ill be quite tired and i do that energy that really changes i feel much more energized and relaxed when i do that


can imagine that as you are rooting and layer three


spacious quality


layer three is a sense and layer two


i think having introspect is a bit more i had some i was getting married in may this year so i had some resistance to the idea of progressing beyond layer two or maybe layer three because i felt that it would be doing a disservice to my partner to go into marriage without experiencing love


mathematically inclined minds


its very different than layer four location four layer four type of stuff which is more freedom


emptiness of vastness


where i look for for peace as well


the all pervading aliveness


god takes the last step and thats relevant for layer four


its all showing up out there and youre still here and its out there and youre separate from


life as an experience


awareness field like presence stillness the vibrancy so theres just the fullness of course so


um i feel like layer three is really natural for me um theres lots of love lots of all those things um aliveness and but yeah


discomfort


but what it suggests is that its possible that youre having shallower experiences of layer three that youre not recognizing as layer three or not paying attention to because its not the thick liquid um experience that was probably more powerful um because even that sense of presence getting heightened the sense of aliveness pervading the spaciousness is in the direction of layer three beginning to be experienced as simultaneous with layer two


while im deepening into layer three i think like the liveness thing but the sense of causality losing meaning and flatness its more like deepening into the raw experience thats available like really leaving all the concepts behind and diving for whats actually here kind of thing yeah


something is just revealed in a moment


only pure existence


flatness


experiencing the positive emotions


location two layer three to me


it becomes the emptiness the empty spaciousness


layer one like i can use the mind


theres virtually no fear about the future which is not really good because i think i was motivated by fear and driven by fear


you could do that possibly um maybe not you know maybe theres a sense maybe you stay in the shallow range of layer three and just start moving in that direction letting that stuff start to come up


feels like full


looking at the screen at this distance


lots of energy


all pervading sort of field of awareness


mind


i went into work was very cheerful and effective at work that day


beneath that field of existence which is something like the universe or just reality that you may be having glimpses of or experiences of layer four


melting completely physically


fullness with the presence


consciousness and awareness


spacious and emptiness


cosmos appears or its just that eternal existence


and so thats another practice that you can just keep doing you know see exactly how deep you can get into stillness on the times when youre sick and tired of trying to widen out the aperture or look at what else might be happening just sink into stillness


feeling full of joy


theres spaciousness


youve got another direction you can use to sink into nonduality


the space size of the spaciousness so that in a silence comes first


but the vibrancy and the richness and the aliveness and fullness and all of that are qualities of layer three those really fall away layer four


think with pure peace just the calmness there would be more spacious calm stillness


what you what youre describing by stepping back may be placing more attention on the layer two qualities that are also in your experience or it might be some shift in terms of where your sense of self is centered


aloneness thing is gone


love a yes so its just that yeah i guess the word just has so many different connotations much more than what i have now i think it just kept trying to go more and then it kept being a little blocked so like i guess probably just the beginning stages of location three or just i dont know i dont like maybe it was really deep location two layer three i just dont know how like magical


its more about spatial spaciousness than emptiness


joy and love and stuff like that when it arises


and in layer two um theres more spaciousness theres less of when you look through your eyes theres not a sense of identity anymore more of a sense of spaciousness yeah


deep


senselessness or sort of centered fullness or just the body


its looking from here out


was getting ready to say that then it felt a little more centered so so its either both or neither um feels like theres some fullness happening


and a sense of separation possibly creeps in you know in the middle of the city its hard to say its not as intense i still do feel connected but not to the intensity as when im with the trees


so the sensorless quality of nonduality is very deep


sense of expansion rapid expansion


its that all pervading beingness its that mist its the field


layer three of location three


like even right now im feeling a little bit its like a warmth right here in my in my you know kind of chest and just torso you kind of stomach area and just i wouldnt its in the family of joy but i wouldnt call it joy necessarily its also the related to this idea that just and you know that everything is going to be okay but its somehow stronger than that well theres a few things


it might be some way that your system kind of translates or resonates with layer three or sinking into layer three


i think what im calling the emotional experience of pure peace would have more spaciousness


id have to be quiet still and not doing anything and take some time to just bring my attention to it you know and it might take at least ten 15 minutes just sitting still just to get that get more to drop more into that sense that this is me


its kind of an imperceptible type of subtle dualities that remain that you only really recognize after theyve dropped away


revelation


normal person just talking in normal way and then can function very well


kind of back to there still kind of this watcher looker


boredom thing


sense of emptiness in that spaciousness


and i liked your suggestion of start doing mini as youre walking around or driving or parked at the lights or something just do mini in and out too because with a strong layer one which i had for a long time i can see how i really need to be on the ball with this


mean that when i was looking at the leaves they were of colors that id never seen and everything was a brightness and there was a everything was sparkling and shining and and this was another thing


layer three in location two


and then it seems like then my awareness is able to just be aware of whats whats there and notice details and all that kind of stuff


all of these types of distinctions go


can totally happen um and when youre deep in that sense of fullness and presence does it feel like you are the presence you are awareness


and i can if i want to i can play with layer one more be more active with


then youll be viewing layer three more


background field of presence


i remember in 2020 it definitely felt like i was absorbed in the layer three experience that that might have been a clear location three um and at some point that sensation of energy like rising energy currents and bliss and the pervasive magic


maybe something youve done its great its really great and when you and you know if you do just want to keep going further and further and further and further layer wise


spaciousness of layer two


you can look at that in moments where you really feel very triggered whether there is a real sense of self associated with thoughts and emotions that are arising or whether youre just feeling your attention being very absorbed into layer one because that can also happen


the more im in layer three the more distracted i am


out instead of feeling and presence feels no quieter or calmer


youve already won the lottery your system is wired for it youre deep in it you can go to you can experience layer one and


sometimes if im in or doing awareness it can be just empty the idea of a container doesnt really i can kind of manufacture the idea of a container but even the container has something outside of it um and its not like its not like distinct for me so i could be doing a guy and like have experiences of both a container and no container but its almost like the container isnt complete containing everything its like almost if you imagine the universe is in a container and theres endless something outside of that


oddness


aloneness


you know its really sort of in a way using location two layer three in a very specific way


agree absolutely and it looks like youve had great progress


layer three seems to come up only after ive like relaxed enough to let go of that conditioning so like i would sit for ten 15 minutes and then i feel that all these sensations in my hands my head my legs usually are they just dissolve and theres nothing left and then there is just like oh there is this peace and everything is just perfect and i dont really get that fullness experience but maybe thats just a semantic thing but there is a feeling of joy and just a flow and everything is just amazing and nothing really bothers me


communicating reality


fullness or that beingness from a layer three standpoint


well those qualities that youre describing are more qualities of layer three um youre describing you know a quality of a live aware beingness or presence that pervades everything everywhere um within everything so thats thats very much a layer three type description


the first change well the two main changes as you notice is a more awareness of my thoughts and sensations so the more awareness of thoughts and just everything and also just being deeply connected to the body its like it feels like im shifting from being connected to the thoughts to being connected to the body


and so for that reason you might be interested in restoring some fluidity to layer two


its also possible that its just your attention getting very very dominantly occupied with layer one and maybe a bit shallower


if its something that shows up when you deepen into layer three and showed up initially for the first time when you started getting access to layer three then you could probably say you know safely say that its some you know aspect of your experience that correlates with layer three


im very joyful like everything is like dreamy joyful and warm and loving


just this like sense of energy thats aliveness and aliveness tingly aliveness


you now see the spaciousness and its even more spacious and even more just infinite


youll feel crowded


doesnt feel like it has an ending feels bigger than the house


deeper into layer three


i call it the exuberance of the universe like laughter that its a flavor in layer three


and layer two of location one


nonduality


just arising


mean was the anger


so when we were just by the way when we refer to the godhead its usually used in the context of layer four of location three right its just a term that a lot of people seem to use to refer to that experience i think because you know theres such a prominent experience of the divine for those people who get a divine experience in location three that you know when they go beyond that to sort of layer four where beyond all distinction just like beyond the divine beyond god whatever you called the god


centralist again


because that home layer of perception is still you know layer one right and so its exactly you said exactly what i would expect you to say in terms of what pulls you out of it its just basically a snap back to layer one


peace and bliss


first we are coming into layer two and so starting on the 29th


everything is just kind of arising on its own


layer one i can absolutely work out that theres not it cant be like if you go from your own direct experience there just isnt and sometimes its totally gone so listening to music can just be the music is and im not


sense of an all pervading presence


fullness wise


it feels very much like layer one because of the storytelling you know the the analyzing mind and probably im thinking location to because because of you know the the me is very hard to locate you know or there is no me but currently there feels like kind of a collapse of the universal order right into this system right now which you know is very layer one you know


i would say im in layer two


and so the more you experience that in the context of layer two just as you go throughout your life the more you know youre sort of communicating you know lets drive the car half on the curb half on the road kind of thing and so as you go through your day to day life its probably going to remain fairly well rooted in location and location to layer two with that sort of additional stillness being accessible that you can put your attention on


of feel feel a bit more emotional for some reason like like when you say that when you know


calm


possibility of description from nothing


i feel like i have pretty good access to layer one when i work


silence


sensory experience and the richness and and the fullness


everyone enjoys the being alive


of joy or is it the aliveness


feeling of something here that is perceiving


which may be useful as an access point in your during your day because you describe the stillness as pervading everything so and having a quality of sort of aliveness and that type of thing where youre describing the presence as well so thats all kind of heading in the direction of layer three


but not as regularly accessible as potentially layer three fullness i would say lets talk about the fullness for a minute


i think im in location one primarily still layer one with some access to other layers


more through layer three


sometimes theres a sensation where theres like no head or like the visual perception field is significantly wider


for you that happens to be layer two which is a lot nicer and probably more aligned with with your beliefs and so on


layer three um but yeah like the the spatial the spaciousness was replaced by the fullness and everything was kind of linked together in a way


and everything arises is objects and the subject is this space which is me so it is the


so i guess im bringing a little more layer one into it


trying to reach beyond this is nothing


you get fullness sometimes get emptiness


do you stay at sort of more of a dominant place of layer two


guess its very interesting because the very act of me looking at it shifts what the perception of it mm if i if im just in it it doesnt really feel like its part of the field but if i step out of it maybe my system is slightly informed by deeper states so then it can it can just sense that sense of self that is there but when im in it i guess what im really in it where one is an active enough to really say oh there is that sense of self but so i dont feel it in the moment but i can still feel it when im investigating it or looking at it its like a more subtle sense of the entire experience is a sense of self because their deeper experiences that dont even have that element of that subtle self


it but it was very vibrant it was very impactful you know it wasnt and it was very serene it was much more a sense of deep serenity


so when you say its in everything what qualities of it are you perceiving in everything


the layer three content or materials are in the courtroom as well


being having being so tied up in a belief that you are effectively your intelligence


spacious emptiness


the spaciousness


kind of benevolent existence that pervades the spaciousness


layer three is to try and pay attention to what is actually perceiving the space perceiving layer two or what is making the experience or awareness of it possible


if you went in the direction of location for fire location layer three of location two um youd sort of avoid those and really sink into the center looseness stillness silence really dissolution of any sense of self


and even i even hesitate to say me but theres definitely a space between the trigger and whatever is reacting i would say the spaciousness between it


the qualities of spaciousness emptiness


coordinated with itself where the axioms are satisfied


well so when i sing sink in um and theres more of a sensation of just energy uh not so much of physicality anymore just just energy and it kind of merges with everything around me just theres a sense of oneness it does feel light it does feel yeah light um and perhaps even luminous much more of a sensation than something very physical if i if i bring up some visuals around that it feels like and it looks


by sinking into the qualities of layer three


anxiety


you know the mind and it operating in the mind is essentially operating from the perspective of there being a body you know or a system that is individualized that needs to function in an individualized way to operate in the world


i just am or you know whatever people however they kind of put words to that but youre describing it as well the self is just gone because your reference point for the term self is your ordinary sense of kind of individual or personal self at layer one


qualities of layer three


not too aware of other things and and yeah the thoughts also carry a different nature again this happened again after like ten 15 years ago after i read eckhart tolles book the power of now and then after a few years something changed also in how my thoughts were it changed from being a narrative self inside myself to being very subtle thoughts that are quicker and this actually bothered me a lot during my meditation retreats and so on because i found it harder to kind of deal with the mind because thoughts could just come up really rapid pace it still happens and doesnt feel the thoughts have kind of not much substance to it and it feels like a different quality and i would say i couldnt even call it like inspiration it just emerges disappears relevant to to what im doing