uMFtQhwO5SQ-00000-00000693-00001327 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00001-00001328-00002224 hello uMFtQhwO5SQ-00002-00002225-00002815 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00003-00002816-00003803 yes uMFtQhwO5SQ-00004-00003804-00004812 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00005-00004813-00005392 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00006-00005393-00007431 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00007-00007431-00010343 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00008-00010344-00012090 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00009-00012091-00014957 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00010-00014958-00016811 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00011-00016812-00017791 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00012-00017792-00018796 so uMFtQhwO5SQ-00013-00018797-00019376 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00015-00024334-00024663 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00016-00024664-00024899 so uMFtQhwO5SQ-00017-00024900-00026075 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00018-00026076-00028939 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00019-00028939-00030767 [Music] uMFtQhwO5SQ-00020-00030768-00031399 foreign uMFtQhwO5SQ-00021-00031400-00031700 foreign uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00000-00000035-00000371 daven augury Devi Nagar e Dave & algorri uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00001-00000372-00000734 i AST dave & auguri a compound of diva uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00002-00000735-00000853 diva and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00003-00000855-00001223 nigari nagari hindi pronunciation Denari uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00004-00001224-00001364 also called Nagari uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00005-00001365-00001616 nagari nagari as an abugida alpha uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00006-00001617-00001925 syllabary used in india and nepal it is uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00007-00001926-00002114 written from left to right has a strong uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00008-00002115-00002284 preference for symmetrical rounded uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00009-00002285-00002485 shapes within squared outlines and is uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00010-00002486-00002701 recognizable by a horizontal line that uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00011-00002702-00002975 runs along the top of full letters in a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00012-00002976-00003142 cursory look the Devanagari script uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00013-00003143-00003340 appears different from other index uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00014-00003342-00003578 scripts such as eastern Nagari Odia or uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00015-00003579-00003742 Gurmukhi but a closer examination uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00016-00003743-00003988 reveals they are very similar except for uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00017-00003989-00004184 angles and structural emphasis the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00018-00004185-00004363 Nagari script has roots in the ancient uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00019-00004364-00004616 Brahmi script family some of the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00020-00004617-00004847 earliest epigraphic evidence attesting uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00021-00004848-00005056 to the developing Sanskrit Nagari script uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00022-00005057-00005261 in ancient India in a form similar to uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00023-00005262-00005477 Dave an augury is from the 1st to 4th uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00024-00005478-00005711 century CE II inscriptions discovered in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00025-00005712-00005984 Gujarat the Nagari script was in regular uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00026-00005985-00006236 use by the 7th century CE II and it was uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00027-00006237-00006434 fully developed by about the end of 1st uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00028-00006434-00006713 millennium the use of Sanskrit in Nagari uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00029-00006714-00006941 script in medieval India is attested by uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00030-00006942-00007112 numerous pillar and cave temple uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00031-00007113-00007319 inscriptions including the 11th century uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00032-00007320-00007541 Judea Giri inscriptions in Madhya uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00033-00007542-00007763 Pradesh and an inscribed brick found in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00034-00007764-00008053 Uttar Pradesh stated to be from 1217 C uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00035-00008054-00008224 II which is now held at the British uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00036-00008225-00008503 Museum the scripts prota and related uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00037-00008504-00008689 versions have been discovered in ancient uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00038-00008690-00008917 relics outside of India such as in Sri uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00039-00008918-00009152 Lanka Myanmar and Indonesia while in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00040-00009153-00009395 East Asia cinema Trika script considered uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00041-00009396-00009599 as the closest precursor to Nagari was uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00042-00009600-00009889 in use by Buddhists Nagari has been the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00043-00009890-00010106 Primus inter pares of the index scripts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00044-00010107-00010328 it has long been used traditionally by uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00045-00010329-00010559 religiously educated people in South uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00046-00010560-00010762 Asia to record and transmit information uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00047-00010763-00010999 existing throughout the land in parallel uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00048-00011000-00011213 with a wide variety of local scripts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00049-00011214-00011464 such as Modi Kiley and maja Johnny used uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00050-00011465-00011666 for administration commerce and other uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00051-00011667-00012005 daily uses the Devanagari script is used uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00052-00012006-00012326 for over 120 languages making it one of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00053-00012327-00012496 the most used and adopted writing uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00054-00012497-00012767 systems in the world among the languages uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00055-00012768-00012946 using it as either they're only script uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00056-00012947-00013108 or one of their scripts are Hindi uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00057-00013109-00013379 Rajasthani Marathi Nepali Bo uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00058-00013380-00013631 Bree mightily Chattisgarh II santolli uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00059-00013632-00013727 Kashmiri uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00060-00013728-00014018 Konkani Cindy doggery bodo new are uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00061-00014019-00014357 awadhi McGehee haryanvi B Healy mundari uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00062-00014358-00014647 Pali and Sanskrit the Devanagari script uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00063-00014649-00014885 is closely related to the Nandi nigari uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00064-00014886-00015056 script commonly found in numerous uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00065-00015057-00015290 ancient manuscripts of South India and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00066-00015291-00015466 it is distantly related to a number of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00067-00015468-00015694 Southeast Asian scripts David augury uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00068-00015696-00015953 script has 47 primary characters of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00069-00015954-00016187 which 14 are vowels and 33 are uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00070-00016188-00016478 consonants the ancient Nagari script for uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00071-00016479-00016691 Sanskrit had two additional consonantal uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00072-00016692-00016949 characters unlike the Latin alphabet the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00073-00016950-00017191 script has no concept of letter-case uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00074-00017192-00017438 generally the orthography of the script uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00075-00017439-00017609 reflects the pronunciation of the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00076-00017610-00017961 language uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00077-00017962-00018469 topic history uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00078-00018470-00018794 topic Dave & algorri is part of the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00079-00018795-00019028 brahmic family of scripts of India Nepal uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00080-00019029-00019306 Tibet and Southeast Asia it is a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00081-00019307-00019555 descendant of the 3rd century BCE Brahmi uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00082-00019556-00019744 script through the gupta script along uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00083-00019745-00020030 with cinnamon Sharada variants of script uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00084-00020031-00020275 called Nagari recognizably close to dave uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00085-00020276-00020464 an augury are first attested from the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00086-00020465-00020714 1st century CE Rudra demon inscriptions uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00087-00020715-00020842 in Sanskrit while the modern uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00088-00020843-00021080 standardized form of Devanagari was in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00089-00021081-00021377 use by about 1000 CE II medieval uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00090-00021378-00021566 inscriptions suggest widespread uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00091-00021567-00021778 diffusion of the Nagari related scripts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00092-00021779-00021983 with biscuits presenting local script uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00093-00021984-00022139 along with the adoption of Nagari uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00094-00022140-00022408 scripts for example the mid eight uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00095-00022409-00022658 century putana cal pillar in karnataka uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00096-00022659-00022894 has text in both cinema Trika script and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00097-00022895-00023111 an early telugu kannada script while the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00098-00023112-00023297 congress avala mouki inscription in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00099-00023298-00023464 hamachi pradesh is written in both uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00100-00023465-00023764 Sharonda and daven augury scripts the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00101-00023765-00023992 7th century Tibetan King strong tea uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00102-00023993-00024169 Sangam bow ordered that all foreign uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00103-00024170-00024374 books be transcribed into the Tibetan uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00104-00024375-00024683 language he sent his ambassador Tony Sam uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00105-00024684-00024896 Botta to India to acquire alphabet and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00106-00024897-00025093 writing methods returning with Sanskrit uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00107-00025094-00025328 nagari script from Kashmir corresponding uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00108-00025329-00025574 to 24 to Benin sounds and innovating new uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00109-00025575-00025834 symbols for six local sounds other uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00110-00025835-00026053 closely related script such as CID uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00111-00026054-00026276 America were in use in Indonesia Vietnam uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00112-00026277-00026543 Japan and other parts of East Asia by uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00113-00026544-00026827 between 7th to 10th century Sharada uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00114-00026828-00027058 remained in parallel use in Kashmir an uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00115-00027059-00027317 early version of David auguri is visible uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00116-00027318-00027527 in the coudé ela inscription of Bareilly uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00117-00027527-00027914 dated to vikram samvat 1049 ie 992 C II uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00118-00027914-00028130 which demonstrates the emergence of the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00119-00028131-00028292 horizontal bar to group letters uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00120-00028293-00028549 belonging to a word one of the oldest uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00121-00028550-00028762 surviving Sanskrit texts from the early uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00122-00028763-00029123 post Moria period consists of 1413 uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00123-00029124-00029327 nigari pages of a commentary by uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00124-00029327-00029537 Patanjali with a composition date of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00125-00029538-00029801 about 150 BCE the surviving copy uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00126-00029802-00030064 transcribed about 14th century CE II uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00127-00030065-00030257 Nagari is the Sanskrit feminine of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00128-00030258-00030524 negara relating or belonging to a town uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00129-00030525-00030818 or city urban it is a phrasing with uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00130-00030819-00031183 Lippe script as Nagari Lippe script uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00131-00031184-00031681 relating to a city or spoken in city uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00132-00031682-00031843 the use of the name Dave and auguri uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00133-00031844-00032073 emerged from the older term nigari uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00134-00032074-00032341 according to Fisher Nagari emerged in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00135-00032342-00032545 the Northwest Indian subcontinent around uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00136-00032545-00032863 633 seee was fully developed by the 11th uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00137-00032864-00033073 century and was one of the major scripts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00138-00033074-00033505 used for the Sanskrit literature uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00139-00033506-00034030 topic Southeast Asia uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00140-00034031-00034360 topic most of the Southeast Asian uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00141-00034361-00034526 scripts have roots in the Dravidian uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00142-00034527-00034732 scripts except for a few found in south uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00143-00034733-00034954 central regions of Java and isolated uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00144-00034955-00035170 parts of Southeast Asia that resembled a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00145-00035171-00035449 vinegary or its prototype the Cowie uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00146-00035450-00035671 script in particular is similar to the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00147-00035672-00035873 Devanagari in many respects though the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00148-00035874-00036049 morphology of the script has local uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00149-00036050-00036346 changes the earliest inscriptions in the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00150-00036347-00036538 devanagari like scripts are from around uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00151-00036539-00036742 the 10th century with many more between uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00152-00036743-00037054 11th and 14th century some of the old uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00153-00037055-00037258 David augury inscriptions are found in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00154-00037259-00037460 Hindu temples of Java such as the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00155-00037461-00037705 prominent temple the leg or and the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00156-00037706-00037907 collison inscriptions of central java uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00157-00037908-00038143 dated to the eighth century are also in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00158-00038144-00038332 the Nagari script of north india uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00159-00038333-00038542 according to the epigraph fists and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00160-00038543-00038740 asian studies scholar Lawrence Briggs uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00161-00038741-00038938 these may be related to the 9th century uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00162-00038939-00039169 copperplate inscription of deva pellet uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00163-00039170-00039407 eva van gaal which is also in early dave uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00164-00039408-00039694 an augury script the term Cowie in Cowie uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00165-00039695-00039976 script as a loanword from kavya poetry uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00166-00039977-00040240 according to anthropologists in asian uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00167-00040241-00040477 studies scholars john norman miksa can uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00168-00040478-00040777 go GE oke in the 8th century version of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00169-00040778-00040993 early nagari or dave & algorri script uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00170-00040994-00041242 was adopted in Java Bali Indonesia uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00171-00041243-00041458 and Khmer Cambodia around eighth or uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00172-00041459-00041638 ninth century as evidenced by the many uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00173-00041639-00042159 inscriptions of this period uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00174-00042160-00042590 topic letters uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00175-00042591-00042908 topic the letter order of Dave and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00176-00042909-00043118 augury like nearly all brahmic scripts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00177-00043119-00043314 is based on phonetic principles that uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00178-00043315-00043496 consider both the manner and place of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00179-00043497-00043667 articulation of the consonants and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00180-00043668-00043917 vowels they represent this arrangement uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00181-00043918-00044123 is usually referred to as the Varna mala uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00182-00044124-00044442 garland of letters the format of Dave uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00183-00044443-00044627 and auguri for sanskrit serves as the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00184-00044628-00044840 prototype for its application with minor uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00185-00044841-00045026 variations or additions to other uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00186-00045027-00045372 languages uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00187-00045373-00045857 topic vowels uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00188-00045858-00046184 topic the vowels in their arrangement uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00189-00046185-00046454 are arranged with the vowels are to uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00190-00046455-00046700 consonantal diacritics the final nasal uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00191-00046701-00046919 an Apsara mm and the final fricative uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00192-00046920-00047155 visarga HH called him m in awe uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00193-00047156-00047681 Masika 1991 to 146 notes of the an uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00194-00047682-00047900 Apsara in sanskrit that there is some uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00195-00047901-00048080 controversy as to whether it represents uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00196-00048081-00048421 a home organic nasal stop uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00197-00048422-00048751 a nasalized vowel a nasalized semi vowel uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00198-00048752-00049105 or all these according to context the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00199-00049106-00049312 visarga represents post vocalic uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00200-00049313-00049498 voiceless glottal fricative h in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00201-00049499-00049720 sanskrit and alle phone of s or less uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00202-00049721-00049933 commonly are usually in word final uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00203-00049934-00050218 position some traditions of recitation uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00204-00050219-00050407 append an echo of the vowel after the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00205-00050408-00050914 breath II I H I ma Sica 1991 to 146 uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00206-00050915-00051130 considers the visarga along with letters uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00207-00051131-00051333 non non yung yau further largely uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00208-00051334-00051633 predictable velar and palpable nasals to uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00209-00051634-00051889 be examples of phonetic overkill in the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00210-00051890-00052088 system uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00211-00052089-00052321 another diacritic as the Candra bindu a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00212-00052322-00052825 newness iike mm Salomon 2003 276 - 77 uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00213-00052826-00053104 describes it as a more emphatic form of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00214-00053105-00053581 the an Apsara sometimes used to mark a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00215-00053582-00053888 true vowel nasalization in a new uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00216-00053889-00054100 indo-aryan language such as Hindi the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00217-00054101-00054296 distinction is formal the candor Bindu uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00218-00054297-00054505 indicates vowel nasalization while the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00219-00054507-00054740 anis var indicates a home organic nasal uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00220-00054741-00054982 proceeding another consonant eg hem see uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00221-00054983-00055456 see laughter Ganga the Ganges when an uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00222-00055457-00055669 act Shara has a vowel diacritics above uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00223-00055670-00055876 the top line that leaves no room for the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00224-00055877-00056182 Kandra moon stroke can Durban do which uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00225-00056183-00056360 is dispensed with in favour of the lone uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00226-00056361-00056819 dot hum you am but hiam are some writers uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00227-00056820-00057046 and typesetters dispense with the moon uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00228-00057047-00057329 stroke altogether using only the dot in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00229-00057329-00057638 all situations the avid raha that uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00230-00057639-00057805 usually transliterated with an uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00231-00057807-00058019 apostrophe is a sanskrit punctuation uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00232-00058020-00058244 mark for the elision of a vowel in sandy uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00233-00058245-00058567 Acquia mecca yam a cos plus i am this uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00234-00058569-00058862 one an original long vowel lost to uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00235-00058863-00059072 coalescence as sometimes marked with a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00236-00059073-00059494 double a vigraha Sadaat masada TM a sada uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00237-00059495-00059888 plus Atma always the self in Hindi snow uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00238-00059889-00060275 2002 77 states that its main function is uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00239-00060276-00060485 to show that a vowel is sustained in a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00240-00060486-00060878 cry or a shout III in Matt Hayashi uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00241-00060879-00061091 languages like Bhojpuri awadhi uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00242-00061091-00061375 Mythili etc which have quite a number of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00243-00061376-00061618 verbal forms that end in that inherent uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00244-00061619-00061928 vowel the avid raha is used to mark the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00245-00061929-00062141 non elision of word final inherent de uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00246-00062141-00062356 which otherwise is a modern orthographic uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00247-00062357-00062704 convention bata bata sit vs. baitha uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00248-00062705-00063041 bathe the syllabic consonants are L and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00249-00063041-00063238 L are specific to Sanskrit and not uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00250-00063239-00063400 included in the Varnum Allah of other uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00251-00063401-00063740 languages the sound represented by r has uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00252-00063741-00063947 also been lost in the modern languages uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00253-00063948-00064156 and its pronunciation now ranges from uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00254-00064157-00064547 Hindi to you Marathi L is not an actual uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00255-00064548-00064772 phoneme of Sanskrit but rather a graphic uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00256-00064773-00064961 convention included among the vowels in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00257-00064962-00065143 order to maintain the symmetry of short uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00258-00065144-00065314 long pairs of letters uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00259-00065315-00065539 there are non-regular formations of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00260-00065540-00065776 rourou and rourou there are two more uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00261-00065777-00066016 vowels in Marathi as well as Konkani you uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00262-00066017-00066220 know that respectively represent a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00263-00066221-00066406 similar to the RP English pronunciation uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00264-00066407-00066679 of an act and similar to the RP uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00265-00066680-00066967 pronunciation of in khat these vowels uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00266-00066968-00067272 are sometimes used in Hindi too i AST uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00267-00067273-00067875 transliteration is not defined in iso uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00268-00067876-00068320 15924 canton and stop 'ok the table uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00269-00068321-00068506 below shows the consonant letters in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00270-00068507-00068728 combination with inherent Vala and their uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00271-00068729-00068926 arrangement to the right of the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00272-00068927-00069124 Devanagari letter it shows the latin uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00273-00069125-00069295 script transliteration using uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00274-00069296-00069490 international alphabet of sanskrit uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00275-00069491-00069697 transliteration and the phonetic value uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00276-00069698-00070021 IPA in hindi rounding this out where uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00277-00070022-00070264 applicable is lala IPA or t' the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00278-00070265-00070483 intervocalic lateral flap allophone of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00279-00070484-00070693 the voiced retroflex stop in Vedic uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00280-00070694-00070909 Sanskrit which is a phoneme in languages uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00281-00070910-00071163 such as Marathi Konkani and Rajasthani uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00282-00071164-00071425 beyond the sanskritic set new shapes uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00283-00071426-00071842 have rarely been formulated Masika 1991 uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00284-00071843-00072178 to 146 offers the following in any case uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00285-00072179-00072397 according to some all possible sounds uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00286-00072398-00072598 had already been described and provided uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00287-00072599-00072787 for in this system as Sanskrit was the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00288-00072788-00073063 original and perfect language hence it uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00289-00073064-00073252 was difficult to provide for her even to uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00290-00073253-00073429 conceive other sounds unknown to the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00291-00073430-00073693 phoenicians of Sanskrit where foreign uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00292-00073694-00073906 borrowings and internal developments did uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00293-00073907-00074101 inevitably accrue and arise in new uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00294-00074102-00074287 indo-aryan languages they have been uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00295-00074288-00074449 ignored in writing or dealt through uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00296-00074450-00074653 means such as diacritics and ligatures uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00297-00074654-00074932 ignored in recitation the most prolific uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00298-00074933-00075196 diacritic has been the subscript nut taw uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00299-00075197-00075475 hindi uses it for the Persian Arabic in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00300-00075476-00075844 English sounds q AQ Khan XA x gaga uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00301-00075845-00076303 za za z ja z h a and 5a f and for the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00302-00076304-00076579 allophonic developments Rara and Rara uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00303-00076580-00076789 although Lala a diaeresis could also uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00304-00076790-00077038 exist it is not used in Hindi Cyndi's uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00305-00077039-00077263 and Sri keys implosives are accommodated uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00306-00077264-00077662 with a line attached below aspirated uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00307-00077663-00077887 sonorants may be represented as conjunct uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00308-00077888-00078199 ligatures with haha ma ma che na + h a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00309-00078200-00078642 na na vah vah a la lah a la la Rara uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00310-00078643-00079197 Masika 1991 to 147 notes Marwari as uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00311-00079198-00079443 using for dawn while des represents for uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00312-00079444-00079794 a list of the 297 33 times nine possible uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00313-00079795-00080007 sanskrit consonant short vowel phonemes uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00314-00080008-00080319 see area bad enumeration topic Aleph uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00315-00080320-00080616 India V and W in Hindi topic V the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00316-00080617-00080876 voiced labiodental fricative and w the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00317-00080877-00081090 voiced labia velar approximate are both uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00318-00081091-00081237 allophones of the single phoneme uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00319-00081238-00081456 represented by the letter V in Hindi uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00320-00081457-00081546 daven augury uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00321-00081547-00081801 more specifically they are conditional uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00322-00081802-00082035 allophones ie rules apply on whether a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00323-00082036-00082307 is pronounced as V or W depending on uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00324-00082308-00082593 context native Hindi speakers pronounce uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00325-00082594-00083037 vah as V in rat rata fast and W in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00326-00083038-00083286 pakman pack of on a food dish perceiving uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00327-00083287-00083444 them as a single phoneme and without uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00328-00083445-00083571 being aware of the Aleph own uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00329-00083572-00083792 distinctions there systematically making uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00330-00083793-00084060 however this specific Aleph aney can uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00331-00084061-00084234 become obvious when speakers switch uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00332-00084235-00084513 languages non-native speakers of Hindi uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00333-00084514-00084999 might pronounce vah in Radha as W ie as uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00334-00085000-00085221 WR eighty instead of the more correct uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00335-00085222-00085446 vrat this results in a minor uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00336-00085447-00085689 intelligibility problem because WR uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00337-00085690-00085901 eighty can easily be confused for or at uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00338-00085902-00086082 which means woman instead of the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00339-00086083-00086289 intended fast abstaining from food in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00340-00086290-00086616 Hindi uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00341-00086617-00087120 topic compounds uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00342-00087121-00087537 topic table compounds vowels in their uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00343-00087538-00087717 independent form on the left and in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00344-00087718-00087915 their corresponding dependent form vowel uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00345-00087916-00088179 sign combined with the consonant K on uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00346-00088180-00088293 the right uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00347-00088294-00088569 kah is without any added vowel sign uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00348-00088570-00089649 where the vowel a is inherent iso 15924 uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00349-00089650-00089901 their compound letter for example the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00350-00089902-00089976 vowel a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00351-00089977-00090222 combines with the consonant KK to form uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00352-00090223-00090417 the compound off with Howland uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00353-00090418-00090609 removed and added vowel sign which is uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00354-00090610-00090888 indicated by diacritics the vowel a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00355-00090889-00091164 combines with the consonant KK to form uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00356-00091165-00091479 the compound calm with Helen removed but uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00357-00091480-00091789 the compound letter series of calm uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00358-00091790-00092237 Kagawa kha kha gah-gah a is without any uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00359-00092238-00092483 added vowel sign as the vowel AAA is uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00360-00092484-00092817 inherent uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00361-00092818-00093358 topic conjunct consonants uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00362-00093359-00093754 topic as mentioned successive consonants uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00363-00093755-00093916 lacking a vowel in between them may uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00364-00093917-00094120 physically join together as a conjunct uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00365-00094121-00094363 consonant or ligature when Dave an uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00366-00094364-00094551 augury is used for writing languages uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00367-00094552-00094747 other than Sanskrit conjuncts are used uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00368-00094748-00094930 mostly with Sanskrit words and loan uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00369-00094931-00095221 words native words typically use the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00370-00095222-00095431 basic consonant and native speakers no uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00371-00095432-00095578 to suppress the vowel when it is uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00372-00095579-00095872 conventional to do so for example the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00373-00095873-00096046 native Hindi word karna is written uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00374-00096047-00096094 karana uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00375-00096095-00096364 karana the government of these clusters uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00376-00096365-00096541 ranges from widely to narrowly uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00377-00096542-00096772 applicable rules with special exceptions uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00378-00096773-00097024 within while standardised for the most uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00379-00097025-00097213 part there are certain variations in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00380-00097214-00097420 clustering of which the Unicode used on uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00381-00097421-00097663 this page as just one scheme the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00382-00097664-00098001 following are a number of rules 24 out uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00383-00098002-00098248 of the 36 consonants contain a vertical uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00384-00098249-00098657 right stroke KH a god GH a mana etc as uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00385-00098658-00098926 1st or middle fragments members of a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00386-00098927-00099280 cluster they lose that stroke eg top + uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00387-00099281-00099634 Vaught uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00388-00099635-00100337 topic TV a TV a not plus da uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00389-00100338-00100631 topic end to end uh saw plus D equals uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00390-00100632-00100949 saw as tha in Unicode these consonants uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00391-00100950-00101117 without their vertical stems are called uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00392-00101118-00101432 half forms saw s a appears as a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00393-00101433-00101642 different simple ribbon shaped fragment uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00394-00101643-00101978 proceeding Vavi a nanaka CA Lala and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00395-00101979-00102200 Rara causing these second members to be uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00396-00102201-00102479 shifted down and reduced in size thus uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00397-00102480-00102797 wasfox nos ma scoffs Kozlov slaw and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00398-00102798-00103169 straw straw raw are a as a first member uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00399-00103170-00103355 takes the form of a curved upward - uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00400-00103356-00103553 above the final character or it's a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00401-00103554-00104003 diacritic eg RV RV a RV RV or spa RSP a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00402-00104004-00104345 verse for spa as a final member with tah uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00403-00104346-00104531 tah da da da da da da uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00404-00104532-00104744 ChaCha it is two lines below the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00405-00104745-00104933 character pointed downwards in a part uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00406-00104933-00105353 the straw 3-3 draw draw draw draw era or uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00407-00105354-00105476 across chra uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00408-00105477-00105695 elsewhere as a final member it is a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00409-00105696-00105932 diagonal stroke extending left words and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00410-00105933-00105982 down uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00411-00105983-00106322 eg krahgg Rob bra Tatas shifted up to uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00412-00106323-00106684 make trot tra as first members remaining uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00413-00106685-00106901 characters lacking vertical strokes such uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00414-00106902-00107158 as da da and high H a may have their uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00415-00107159-00107357 second member reduced in size and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00416-00107358-00107533 lacking its horizontal stroke placed uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00417-00107534-00107990 underneath a a cha CH and fought pH uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00418-00107991-00108184 shorten their right hooks and join them uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00419-00108185-00108449 directly to the following member the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00420-00108450-00108620 conjuncts for K's and Jane are not uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00421-00108621-00108800 clearly derived from the letters making uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00422-00108801-00109076 up their components the conjunct for K's uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00423-00109077-00109319 as kasaa k + saw and for Jane it is uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00424-00109320-00109745 janya j + and yah uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00425-00109746-00110264 topic accent marks uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00426-00110265-00110627 topic the pitch accent of Vedic Sanskrit uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00427-00110628-00110761 is written with various symbols uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00428-00110763-00111038 depending on shaka in the Rig Veda and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00429-00111039-00111208 new Dada is written with a bar below the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00430-00111209-00111263 line uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00431-00111264-00111433 Sarita with a stroke above the line uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00432-00111434-00111853 while a Dada is unmarked uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00433-00111854-00112357 topic punctuation uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00434-00112358-00112672 topic the end of a sentence or half uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00435-00112673-00112920 verse may be marked with the quote quote uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00436-00112921-00113235 symbol called a danda meaning bar or uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00437-00113236-00113523 called a Poorna veeram meaning full stop uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00438-00113524-00113806 pause the end of a full verse may be uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00439-00113807-00114106 marked with a doubled and aheh symbol a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00440-00114107-00114322 comma called an alpha veeram meaning uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00441-00114323-00114624 short stop pause is used to denote a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00442-00114625-00114828 natural pause in speech other uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00443-00114829-00115038 punctuation marks such as colon uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00444-00115039-00115260 semicolon exclamation mark uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00445-00115261-00115500 - and question mark are currently in use uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00446-00115501-00115720 in Devanagari script matching their use uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00447-00115721-00116129 in European languages uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00448-00116130-00116636 topic old forms uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00449-00116638-00116976 topic the following letter variants are uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00450-00116977-00117519 also in use particularly in older texts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00451-00117520-00118002 topic numerals uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00452-00118003-00118371 topic uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00453-00118372-00118839 topic fonts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00454-00118840-00119220 topic a variety of Unicode fonts are in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00455-00119221-00119475 use for Dave and auguri these include uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00456-00119476-00119721 but are not limited to akshar annapurna uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00457-00119722-00120114 aerial c-dac gist uri c-dac Geist Yogesh uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00458-00120115-00120432 chanda's gargy guru my J poor Jana uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00459-00120433-00120686 calamity Ken gorilla low hit Dave an uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00460-00120688-00121085 augury mongaul raghu Sanskrit 2003 Santa uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00461-00121086-00121377 / Ooty Sidon de Sayaka and a Tara the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00462-00121378-00121578 form of Dave & algorri fonts vary with uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00463-00121579-00121797 function according to Harvard College uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00464-00121798-00122129 for Sanskrit studies a Tara companion - uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00465-00122130-00122331 chandus is the best in terms of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00466-00122332-00122550 ligatures but because it is designed for uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00467-00122551-00122816 vedic as well requires so much vertical uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00468-00122817-00123003 space that it is not well suited for uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00469-00123004-00123339 that user interface font though an uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00470-00123340-00123611 excellent choice for the original field uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00471-00123613-00123966 font Santa / ot as a beautiful font uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00472-00123967-00124206 reflecting a very early medieval era uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00473-00124207-00124486 typesetting style for Dave and auguri uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00474-00124488-00124845 Sanskrit 2003 as a good all-around font uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00475-00124846-00125060 and has more ligatures than most fonts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00476-00125061-00125277 those students will probably find the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00477-00125278-00125550 spacing of the c-dac gist shariq font uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00478-00125551-00125748 makes for quicker comprehension and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00479-00125749-00126063 reading google fonts project now has a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00480-00126064-00126254 number of new unicode fonts for Dave and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00481-00126255-00126485 auguri in a variety of typefaces in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00482-00126486-00126729 serif sans serif display and handwriting uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00483-00126730-00127114 categories uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00484-00127115-00127660 topic transliteration uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00485-00127661-00127970 topic there are several methods of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00486-00127971-00128161 romanization or transliteration from uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00487-00128163-00128681 Dave and auguri to the Roman script uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00488-00128682-00129163 topic Hunterian system uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00489-00129164-00129499 topic the Hunterian system is the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00490-00129500-00129802 national system of romanization in India uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00491-00129803-00130041 and the one officially adopted by the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00492-00130042-00130424 Government of India uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00493-00130425-00131116 topic I so uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00494-00131117-00131458 topic a standard transliteration uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00495-00131459-00132606 convention was codified in the iso 15924 uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00496-00132607-00132883 a specific portion is nearly identical uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00497-00132884-00133141 to the academic standard for sanskrit i uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00498-00133142-00133559 AST uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00499-00133560-00134039 topic I AST uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00500-00134040-00134378 topic the International alphabet of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00501-00134379-00134672 Sanskrit transliteration I ast is the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00502-00134673-00134873 academic standard for the romanization uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00503-00134874-00135146 of sanskrit i ast as the de-facto uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00504-00135147-00135392 standard used in printed publications uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00505-00135393-00135614 like books magazines and electronic uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00506-00135615-00135911 texts with unicode fonts it is based on uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00507-00135912-00136103 a standard established by the Congress uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00508-00136104-00136433 of orientalists at Athens in 1912 the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00509-00136434-00137777 iso 15924 amman ization intended for the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00510-00137778-00138002 romanization of all Indic scripts is an uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00511-00138003-00138436 extension of i AST uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00512-00138437-00138962 topic Harvard Kyoto uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00513-00138963-00139385 topic compared to IAS T Harvard Kyoto uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00514-00139386-00139649 looks much simpler it does not contain uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00515-00139650-00139871 all the diacritic marks that I ast uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00516-00139872-00140150 contains it was designed to simplify the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00517-00140151-00140377 task of putting large amount of sanskrit uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00518-00140378-00140588 textual material into machine readable uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00519-00140589-00140777 form and the inventors stated that it uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00520-00140778-00140915 reduces the effort needed in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00521-00140916-00141125 transliteration of sanskrit texts on the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00522-00141126-00141389 keyboard this makes typing in harvard uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00523-00141390-00141731 kyoto much easier than IAS T Harvard uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00524-00141732-00141959 Kyoto uses capital letters that can be uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00525-00141960-00142426 difficult to read in the middle of words uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00526-00142427-00142997 topic I T RA NS uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00527-00142998-00143368 topic i tra NS as a lossless uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00528-00143369-00143554 transliteration scheme of Dave and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00529-00143555-00143783 auguri into ASCII that is widely used on uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00530-00143784-00144064 Usenet it is an extension of the Harvard uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00531-00144065-00144379 Kyoto scheme in ITR ans the word Dave uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00532-00144380-00144727 and auguri is written Devanagari or Dave uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00533-00144728-00145090 and augury ITR ans has associated with uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00534-00145091-00145259 an application of the same name that uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00535-00145260-00145571 enables typesetting in Indic scripts the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00536-00145572-00145816 user inputs in Roman letters and the ITR uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00537-00145817-00146084 ans preprocessor translates the Roman uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00538-00146085-00146266 letters into Dave and auguri or other uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00539-00146267-00146563 Indic languages the latest version of I uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00540-00146564-00146918 T RA NS has version 5.30 released in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00541-00146919-00147304 July 2001 it is similar to Velvia system uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00542-00147305-00147509 and was created by Avinash choppa to uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00543-00147510-00147695 help print various Indic scripts with uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00544-00147696-00148119 personal computers uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00545-00148120-00148521 topic vel DUIs uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00546-00148522-00148848 topic the disadvantage of the above uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00547-00148849-00149037 ASCII schemes as case sensitivity uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00548-00149038-00149277 implying that transliterated names may uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00549-00149278-00149403 not be capitalized uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00550-00149404-00149634 this difficulty is avoided with the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00551-00149635-00149898 system developed in 1996 by friends uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00552-00149899-00150156 value is fort X loosely based on i AST uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00553-00150157-00150612 in which case is irrelevant uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00554-00150613-00151197 topic Allah Elsie romanization uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00555-00151198-00151557 topic alla LC romanization as a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00556-00151558-00151761 transliteration scheme approved by the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00557-00151762-00151923 Library of Congress and the American uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00558-00151924-00152199 Library Association and widely used in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00559-00152200-00152511 North American libraries transliteration uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00560-00152512-00152724 tables are based on languages so there uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00561-00152725-00152934 is a table for Hindi one for sanskrit uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00562-00152935-00153395 and proc writ etc uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00563-00153396-00153839 topic WX uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00564-00153840-00154256 topic WX as a roman transliteration uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00565-00154257-00154478 scheme for Indian languages widely used uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00566-00154479-00154618 among the natural language processing uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00567-00154619-00154982 community in India it originated at IIT uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00568-00154983-00155237 Kanpur for computational processing of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00569-00155238-00155513 Indian languages the salient features of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00570-00155514-00155702 this transliteration scheme are as uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00571-00155703-00156026 follows every consonant and every vowel uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00572-00156027-00156281 has a single mapping into Roman hence it uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00573-00156282-00156479 is a prefix code advantageous from uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00574-00156480-00156791 computation point of view lowercase uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00575-00156792-00156962 letters are used for an aspirated uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00576-00156963-00157145 consonants and short vowels while uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00577-00157146-00157352 capital letters are used for aspirated uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00578-00157353-00157499 consonants and long vowels uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00579-00157500-00157783 while the retroflex stops are mapped to uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00580-00157784-00158387 TT D D in the dentals are mapped to w w uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00581-00158388-00158936 x x n hence the name w x a reminder of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00582-00158937-00159403 this idiosyncratic mapping uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00583-00159404-00159919 topic in coatings uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00584-00159920-00160286 topic uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00585-00160287-00160832 topic is CII uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00586-00160833-00161327 topic is CII as an 8-bit encoding the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00587-00161328-00161597 lower 128 code points are plain ASCII uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00588-00161598-00161933 the upper 128 code points are is CII uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00589-00161934-00162224 specific it has been designed for uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00590-00162225-00162401 representing not only Dave and auguri uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00591-00162402-00162626 but also various other index scripts as uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00592-00162627-00162800 well as a Latin based script with uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00593-00162801-00163037 diacritic marks used for transliteration uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00594-00163038-00163415 of the index scripts is CII has largely uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00595-00163416-00163646 been superseded by Unicode which has uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00596-00163647-00163907 however attempted to preserve the is CII uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00597-00163908-00164392 layout for its Indic language blocks uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00598-00164393-00164880 topic Unicode uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00599-00164881-00165264 topic the Unicode standard defines three uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00600-00165265-00165438 blocks for Dave and auguri Dave and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00601-00165439-00165888 auguri u+ o 900 u+ o 9 7f Dave an augury uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00602-00165889-00166269 extended you plus a a tou plus a 8 FF uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00603-00166270-00166602 and Vedic extensions you plus 1 CDO you uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00604-00166603-00167094 plus 1 c FF uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00605-00167095-00167663 topic Dave and auguri keyboard layouts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00606-00167664-00168026 topic uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00607-00168027-00168547 topic in script layout uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00608-00168548-00168910 topic in script as the standard keyboard uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00609-00168911-00169057 layout for Dave and auguri as uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00610-00169058-00169249 standardized by the government of India uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00611-00169250-00169498 it is inbuilt in all modern major uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00612-00169499-00169776 operating systems Microsoft Windows uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00613-00169777-00169987 supports the in script layout using the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00614-00169988-00170173 mongaul font which can be used to input uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00615-00170174-00170502 unicode Devanagari characters in script uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00616-00170503-00170703 is also available in some touchscreen uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00617-00170704-00171110 mobile phones uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00618-00171111-00171546 topic typewriter uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00619-00171547-00171897 topic this layout was used on manual uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00620-00171898-00172068 typewriters when computers were not uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00621-00172069-00172347 available or were uncommon for backward uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00622-00172348-00172577 compatibility some typing tools like in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00623-00172578-00173039 Dicky may still provide this layout uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00624-00173040-00173514 topic phonetic uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00625-00173515-00173859 topic such tools work on phonetic uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00626-00173860-00174123 transliteration the user writes in Roman uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00627-00174124-00174309 and the email automatically converts it uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00628-00174310-00174558 into Dave and auguri some popular uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00629-00174559-00174804 phonetic typing tools are baraha ma and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00630-00174805-00175188 google MA the Mac OS X operating system uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00631-00175189-00175389 includes two different keyboard layouts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00632-00175390-00175596 for Dave and auguri one is much like in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00633-00175597-00175839 script KDE Linux the other is a phonetic uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00634-00175840-00176215 layout called Dave an augury QWERTY uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00635-00176216-00176488 any one of Unicode fonts input system is uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00636-00176489-00176695 fine for Indic language Wikipedia and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00637-00176696-00176902 other wiki projects including Hindi uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00638-00176903-00177262 Bhojpuri Marathi Nepali Wikipedia some uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00639-00177263-00177505 people use in script majority uses uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00640-00177506-00177715 either Google phonetic transliteration uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00641-00177716-00177937 or input facility universal language uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00642-00177938-00178245 selector provided on Wikipedia on Indic uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00643-00178246-00178522 languages phonetic facility provided uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00644-00178523-00178744 initially was Java based later supported uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00645-00178745-00178963 by narium extension for phonetic input uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00646-00178964-00179254 facility currently Indic language wiki uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00647-00179255-00179458 projects are supported by universal uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00648-00179459-00179707 language selector uls that offers both uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00649-00179708-00179884 phonetic keyboard actual enter and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00650-00179885-00180115 marathi AXIRON Tyrande Hindi lipkin uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00651-00180116-00180331 Tirana bola nigari and M script keyboard uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00652-00180332-00180622 marathi Marathi l'épée Ubuntu Linux uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00653-00180623-00180841 operating system supports several uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00654-00180842-00181030 keyboard layouts for Dave and auguri uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00655-00181031-00181330 including Harvard Kyoto WX notation uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00656-00181331-00181675 Bolano Gauri and phonetic the Remington uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00657-00181676-00181993 typing method in Ubuntu IBUs as similar uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00658-00181994-00182200 to the CRU deed of typing method popular uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00659-00182201-00182596 in Rajasthan the I trans method is uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00660-00182597-00182752 useful for those who know English well uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00661-00182753-00182980 in the English keyboard but not familiar uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00662-00182981-00183328 with typing in Devanagari topic see alsa uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00663-00183329-00183562 topic topic reference s topic footnotes uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00664-00183563-00183916 source Misaka colin 1991 the indo-aryan uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00665-00183917-00184141 languages cambridge cambridge university uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00666-00184142-00184582 press ISBN 978 oh five - one two nine uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00667-00184583-00185029 nine four four - snow rupert 2000 teach uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00668-00185030-00185239 yourself beginners Hindi script hodder uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00669-00185240-00185614 and stoughton ISBN nine seven 800 seven uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00670-00185615-00185880 one four one nine eight four Oh uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00671-00185881-00186241 Solomon Richard 2003 writing systems of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00672-00186242-00186454 the indo-aryan languages in Cardona uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00673-00186455-00186538 George uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00674-00186539-00186802 Jane Don - the indo-aryan languages uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00675-00186803-00187420 routledge PP 67 - 103 ISBN 978 oh four uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00676-00187421-00187692 one five seven seven to nine four five uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00677-00187693-00187810 Verma uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00678-00187811-00188116 Sheila 2003 manga he in Cardona George uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00679-00188117-00188434 Jane Don - the indo-aryan languages uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00680-00188435-00188497 routledge uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00681-00188498-00189142 pp 498 - 514 ISBN 978 zero four one five uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00682-00189143-00189463 seven seven to nine four five Wigner uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00683-00189464-00189553 Charl uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00684-00189554-00189879 1996 a practical sanskrit introductory uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00685-00189880-00190193 topic census and catalogs of manuscripts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00686-00190194-00190373 in Devanagari topic thousands of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00687-00190374-00190574 manuscripts of ancient and medieval era uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00688-00190575-00190790 Sanskrit texts in Devanagari have been uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00689-00190791-00191081 discovered since the 19th century major uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00690-00191082-00191288 catalogues and census include a uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00691-00191289-00191504 catalogue of Sanskrit manuscripts in uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00692-00191505-00191678 private libraries at Google Books uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00693-00191679-00191939 Medical Hall Press Princeton University uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00694-00191940-00192149 archive a descriptive catalogue of the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00695-00192150-00192341 Sanskrit manuscripts at Google Books uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00696-00192342-00192611 Volume one Upanishads friedrich otto uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00697-00192612-00192890 schrader compiler University of Michigan uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00698-00192891-00193133 library archives a preliminary list of uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00699-00193134-00193334 the Sanskrit and Procrit manuscripts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00700-00193335-00193652 Vedas sastras sutras schools of Hindu uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00701-00193653-00193937 philosophies arts design music and other uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00702-00193938-00194183 fields Friedrich Otto Schrader compiler uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00703-00194184-00194411 de vente Giri manuscripts are identified uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00704-00194412-00194606 by character code death catalogue of the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00705-00194607-00194843 Sanskrit manuscripts part 1 Vedic uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00706-00194844-00195083 manuscripts Harvard University Archives uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00707-00195084-00195296 mostly Dave & algorri catalogue of the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00708-00195297-00195575 Sanskrit manuscripts part 4 manuscripts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00709-00195576-00195758 of hindu schools of philosophy and uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00710-00195759-00195977 Tantra Harvard University Archives uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00711-00195978-00196196 mostly Dave & algorri catalogue of the uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00712-00196197-00196472 Sanskrit manuscripts part 5 manuscripts uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00713-00196473-00196684 of Medicine astronomy and mathematics uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00714-00196685-00196889 architecture and technical science uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00715-00196890-00197174 literature julius Eglin compiler harvard uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00716-00197175-00197393 university archives mostly dave & uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00717-00197394-00197564 algorri catalog of the sanskrit uNQ-FpKF5Qg-00718-00197565-00197777 manuscripts at 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uRDlAbu_4m8-00039-00012000-00012392 to those and I also wanted to let you uRDlAbu_4m8-00040-00012393-00012720 know that the cap we just now called uRDlAbu_4m8-00041-00012721-00012849 collection since estimate for uRDlAbu_4m8-00042-00012850-00013182 preservation the application is open uRDlAbu_4m8-00043-00013183-00013363 they'll be open through March uRDlAbu_4m8-00044-00013363-00014047 first and you can apply it's usually on uRDlAbu_4m8-00045-00014047-00014344 a first-come first-served basis and it's uRDlAbu_4m8-00046-00014344-00014800 a great program as so if you qualify for uRDlAbu_4m8-00047-00014801-00015259 a cap be sure to do that now I'm going uRDlAbu_4m8-00048-00015260-00015546 to introduce generally be bore down and uRDlAbu_4m8-00049-00015547-00015811 he is from the image permanence uRDlAbu_4m8-00050-00015812-00016185 Institute and take it over uRDlAbu_4m8-00051-00016186-00016678 Sean Louie okay welcome to everybody and uRDlAbu_4m8-00052-00016679-00017071 I have to stop thinking Susanna and Mike uRDlAbu_4m8-00053-00017072-00017611 because they facilitate this this uRDlAbu_4m8-00054-00017612-00017800 webinar and so we already got to uRDlAbu_4m8-00055-00017801-00018013 participate so what I what I was going uRDlAbu_4m8-00056-00018014-00018292 to do or this afternoon is really to uRDlAbu_4m8-00057-00018293-00018541 provide with some background background uRDlAbu_4m8-00058-00018542-00018783 information about this web application uRDlAbu_4m8-00059-00018784-00019279 how we dreamt about it and I always uRDlAbu_4m8-00060-00019280-00019575 thought it was really needed for the uRDlAbu_4m8-00061-00019576-00020065 field and I will then certainly give you uRDlAbu_4m8-00062-00020066-00020344 a tour of the application and we not uRDlAbu_4m8-00063-00020345-00020722 look into all the detail but I think you uRDlAbu_4m8-00064-00020723-00021010 you would have some some some good idea uRDlAbu_4m8-00065-00021011-00021172 about what he can do for you uRDlAbu_4m8-00066-00021173-00021442 so what one of the main goal really is uRDlAbu_4m8-00067-00021443-00021841 to if I have to pick one sentence to uRDlAbu_4m8-00068-00021842-00022252 define our goal here is to make the uRDlAbu_4m8-00069-00022253-00022564 archivist librarian and all the people uRDlAbu_4m8-00070-00022565-00022847 who are in charge of collection way more uRDlAbu_4m8-00071-00022848-00023191 self-reliant that maybe they are and uRDlAbu_4m8-00072-00023192-00023425 everybody will step into a collection uRDlAbu_4m8-00073-00023426-00023743 you have so many material there it's a uRDlAbu_4m8-00074-00023744-00023965 little bit daunting and it's always uRDlAbu_4m8-00075-00023966-00024265 difficult okay where do I start to to do uRDlAbu_4m8-00076-00024266-00024475 the best thing and to take the right uRDlAbu_4m8-00077-00024476-00024709 decision for the correction uRDlAbu_4m8-00078-00024710-00025206 so of course - in the past decades I uRDlAbu_4m8-00079-00025207-00025513 have to say there have been a lot of uRDlAbu_4m8-00080-00025514-00025975 tools coming out and we are uRDlAbu_4m8-00081-00025976-00026299 I did our shared IPA this is what I call uRDlAbu_4m8-00082-00026300-00026732 the archivist toolbox so you have a uRDlAbu_4m8-00083-00026733-00026945 various communication and tools there uRDlAbu_4m8-00084-00026945-00027240 who address each of them some specific uRDlAbu_4m8-00085-00027241-00027730 problem but at some point it's always a uRDlAbu_4m8-00086-00027731-00027851 little bit difficult there are like a uRDlAbu_4m8-00087-00027852-00028093 dots or like stocks you know in the sky uRDlAbu_4m8-00088-00028094-00028454 and how do I connect the dots and and to uRDlAbu_4m8-00089-00028455-00028793 really make the best decision so this is uRDlAbu_4m8-00090-00028794-00029212 really from this aspect that the idea uRDlAbu_4m8-00091-00029213-00029602 really of in care that who came up and uRDlAbu_4m8-00092-00029602-00030179 yes some we can image in some place that uRDlAbu_4m8-00093-00030180-00030718 all those various data solution option uRDlAbu_4m8-00094-00030719-00031120 where to do think will be collectively uRDlAbu_4m8-00095-00031121-00031508 organized into methodologies that really uRDlAbu_4m8-00096-00031508-00031754 can benefit the people out there so this uRDlAbu_4m8-00097-00031755-00031979 is so if you go to the home page uRDlAbu_4m8-00098-00031980-00032258 basically there is what I would call two uRDlAbu_4m8-00099-00032258-00032614 tracks there there is one track will uRDlAbu_4m8-00100-00032615-00032980 focus on learning and teaching a little uRDlAbu_4m8-00101-00032981-00033287 bit about film and materials and the uRDlAbu_4m8-00102-00033288-00033604 other track which is really more like uRDlAbu_4m8-00103-00033605-00034133 like a tool to assess collection to make uRDlAbu_4m8-00104-00034134-00034439 conclusion to implement the strategy so uRDlAbu_4m8-00105-00034440-00034823 I will go through those in these hours uRDlAbu_4m8-00106-00034824-00035283 and go into it to give you a little bit uRDlAbu_4m8-00107-00035284-00035660 some reason there why not focus on a web uRDlAbu_4m8-00108-00035661-00036055 application instead of doing research of uRDlAbu_4m8-00109-00036056-00036248 a particular film materials or uRDlAbu_4m8-00110-00036249-00036739 particular narrow problems it's I think uRDlAbu_4m8-00111-00036740-00037249 we we are at a point now after maybe I uRDlAbu_4m8-00112-00037250-00037511 would say easily 30 years if you go back uRDlAbu_4m8-00113-00037512-00038093 to the to the eighties that we you have uRDlAbu_4m8-00114-00038094-00038545 to probably stabilize and protect for uRDlAbu_4m8-00115-00038546-00038911 extended period of time those materials uRDlAbu_4m8-00116-00038912-00039192 this is what it is we also uRDlAbu_4m8-00117-00039193-00039567 have kind of developed some tools that uRDlAbu_4m8-00118-00039568-00039824 need to be put into use of course and uRDlAbu_4m8-00119-00039825-00040137 that need to be put into a cannon uRDlAbu_4m8-00120-00040138-00040443 overarching basically strategy and this uRDlAbu_4m8-00121-00040444-00040646 is really that's really the goal of this uRDlAbu_4m8-00122-00040647-00041015 web application today it's really easy uRDlAbu_4m8-00123-00041016-00041402 to forget about physical preservation uRDlAbu_4m8-00124-00041403-00041742 for many people because you can go in uRDlAbu_4m8-00125-00041743-00042189 any conference where we will not talk uRDlAbu_4m8-00126-00042190-00042549 mostly about pixel and scanning and so uRDlAbu_4m8-00127-00042550-00042837 forth but there's an incredible wealth uRDlAbu_4m8-00128-00042838-00043143 out there and you all probably know that uRDlAbu_4m8-00129-00043144-00043424 better than anybody else so preserving uRDlAbu_4m8-00130-00043425-00043623 the film in its original form uRDlAbu_4m8-00131-00043624-00043968 is rough and facility facilitating that uRDlAbu_4m8-00132-00043969-00044246 is really the main main goal of this uRDlAbu_4m8-00133-00044247-00044558 particular particular web application uRDlAbu_4m8-00134-00044559-00045112 here the other aspect that are very very uRDlAbu_4m8-00135-00045113-00045579 important and I would like resuming to uRDlAbu_4m8-00136-00045580-00045777 resume what we have to do in only three uRDlAbu_4m8-00137-00045778-00046115 bullet point number one we had way to uRDlAbu_4m8-00138-00046116-00046335 understand what a film is what is made uRDlAbu_4m8-00139-00046336-00046808 of truly protect him against decay uRDlAbu_4m8-00140-00046809-00047073 second I think he has been demonstrated uRDlAbu_4m8-00141-00047074-00047246 and in demonstrated again and again that uRDlAbu_4m8-00142-00047247-00047496 the realism most important factor is uRDlAbu_4m8-00143-00047497-00047771 really provide an added create a uRDlAbu_4m8-00144-00047772-00048027 suitable storage source of to those uRDlAbu_4m8-00145-00048028-00048414 collections and third let's say we have uRDlAbu_4m8-00146-00048415-00048902 all of this we can just walk away so we uRDlAbu_4m8-00147-00048903-00049077 have to really move it or not only uRDlAbu_4m8-00148-00049078-00049323 certainly the condition of the uRDlAbu_4m8-00149-00049324-00049637 environment but also what if humans are uRDlAbu_4m8-00150-00049638-00049977 evolving to this means the condition of uRDlAbu_4m8-00151-00049978-00050517 the film so this was really the main uRDlAbu_4m8-00152-00050518-00050832 reason so we went to a true uRDlAbu_4m8-00153-00050833-00051273 video with film in a white sense and not uRDlAbu_4m8-00154-00051274-00051665 do only about movie about still only uRDlAbu_4m8-00155-00051666-00051973 talking about microfilm uRDlAbu_4m8-00156-00051974-00052401 we want to have a tool with a great uRDlAbu_4m8-00157-00052402-00052723 education component we winter to love so uRDlAbu_4m8-00158-00052724-00053113 that can facilitate decision-making uRDlAbu_4m8-00159-00053114-00053647 process and sometimes the task is very uRDlAbu_4m8-00160-00053648-00053880 daunting because there is so many so uRDlAbu_4m8-00161-00053882-00054199 many parameters that can be taken to uRDlAbu_4m8-00162-00054200-00054663 come to your face basically so the thing uRDlAbu_4m8-00163-00054664-00055078 we really try how to present this into a uRDlAbu_4m8-00164-00055079-00055582 really concise form and and this is the uRDlAbu_4m8-00165-00055583-00055849 challenge we really put in front of our uRDlAbu_4m8-00166-00055850-00056335 selves there so it is before the first uRDlAbu_4m8-00167-00056336-00056766 track which is basically learning about uRDlAbu_4m8-00168-00056767-00057184 film again here you have I will not go uRDlAbu_4m8-00169-00057185-00057379 through all of them but probably the uRDlAbu_4m8-00170-00057379-00057637 main one what is the thing which is a uRDlAbu_4m8-00171-00057638-00057904 very important certainly when you talk uRDlAbu_4m8-00172-00057904-00058312 about film as they can come in many many uRDlAbu_4m8-00173-00058313-00058631 many formats as I mentioned just audios uRDlAbu_4m8-00174-00058632-00059098 can be flat film or many applications uRDlAbu_4m8-00175-00059099-00059410 and actually the natural the plastic uRDlAbu_4m8-00176-00059411-00059631 since the firm is always on the plastic uRDlAbu_4m8-00177-00059632-00059973 support can change not only in terms of uRDlAbu_4m8-00178-00059974-00060373 in terms of women females as being made uRDlAbu_4m8-00179-00060374-00061015 but also the use of the armor so to help uRDlAbu_4m8-00180-00061016-00061329 the people since it's the first step uRDlAbu_4m8-00181-00061330-00061528 knowing the film right uRDlAbu_4m8-00182-00061529-00061747 identifying the base is very very uRDlAbu_4m8-00183-00061748-00061980 critical in that aspect you will not be uRDlAbu_4m8-00184-00061982-00062137 the same solution if you have for uRDlAbu_4m8-00185-00062138-00062374 example police they are based versus uRDlAbu_4m8-00186-00062375-00062878 nitrate based based on materials so we uRDlAbu_4m8-00187-00062879-00063316 can categorize those format in eight uRDlAbu_4m8-00188-00063316-00063904 category that you can basically if you uRDlAbu_4m8-00189-00063904-00064176 don't know anything you can go through uRDlAbu_4m8-00190-00064177-00064462 and learn so what is asking to you it's uRDlAbu_4m8-00191-00064463-00064755 earlier helped to identification the uRDlAbu_4m8-00192-00064757-00064951 first thing you you may be asked to uRDlAbu_4m8-00193-00064952-00065122 answer here uRDlAbu_4m8-00194-00065123-00065367 you know the period you may choose a uRDlAbu_4m8-00195-00065369-00065743 certain period of the materials so this uRDlAbu_4m8-00196-00065744-00066058 would be in this particular earlier here uRDlAbu_4m8-00197-00066059-00066324 where you can click on one of the period uRDlAbu_4m8-00198-00066325-00066697 if there is a marking where you can fill uRDlAbu_4m8-00199-00066698-00066931 out this and then we have a series of uRDlAbu_4m8-00200-00066932-00067279 tests here the goal is to narrow uRDlAbu_4m8-00201-00067280-00067738 basically the possibility to identify uRDlAbu_4m8-00202-00067739-00068080 that particular it's a particular base uRDlAbu_4m8-00203-00068081-00068289 so in this particular case for example uRDlAbu_4m8-00204-00068290-00068794 it's an example we have a film in the in uRDlAbu_4m8-00205-00068795-00069238 the areas safety you can make your test uRDlAbu_4m8-00206-00069239-00069583 of polarization tester here you will end uRDlAbu_4m8-00207-00069584-00069865 up by a poor yes there so the idea is uRDlAbu_4m8-00208-00069866-00070030 not certainly that you will take every uRDlAbu_4m8-00209-00070031-00070249 piece of film that you have or every uRDlAbu_4m8-00210-00070250-00070669 material and go through this this uRDlAbu_4m8-00211-00070670-00070930 methodology or use this tool because as uRDlAbu_4m8-00212-00070931-00071247 you use a few time if you stop from uRDlAbu_4m8-00213-00071248-00071626 nothing you will are initially all those uRDlAbu_4m8-00214-00071627-00072004 little parameter will help to identify uRDlAbu_4m8-00215-00072005-00072283 the nature of the film they will become uRDlAbu_4m8-00216-00072284-00072499 really part of your brain so in this uRDlAbu_4m8-00217-00072500-00073000 particular view you can see how to carry uRDlAbu_4m8-00218-00073001-00073423 the polarization test and that will help uRDlAbu_4m8-00219-00073424-00073693 you for the first time another example I uRDlAbu_4m8-00220-00073694-00073972 think that I put here is okay everybody uRDlAbu_4m8-00221-00073973-00074467 can know if I have a film coming from uRDlAbu_4m8-00222-00074468-00074737 the still camera or if I have slides so uRDlAbu_4m8-00223-00074738-00075013 that will go in this category you can do uRDlAbu_4m8-00224-00075014-00075370 the same approach here you can click on uRDlAbu_4m8-00225-00075371-00075682 the on the date and here it will give uRDlAbu_4m8-00226-00075683-00076138 you a choice so on doing again and again uRDlAbu_4m8-00227-00076139-00076573 this always new people helping uRDlAbu_4m8-00228-00076574-00076998 volunteering and archives if you teach uRDlAbu_4m8-00229-00076999-00077319 you can certainly use this particular uRDlAbu_4m8-00230-00077320-00077526 tool here too uRDlAbu_4m8-00231-00077527-00077821 to teach and learn to identify those uRDlAbu_4m8-00232-00077822-00078055 plastic now the other important uRDlAbu_4m8-00233-00078056-00078403 component of course of materials is the uRDlAbu_4m8-00234-00078404-00078646 image material itself and again here uRDlAbu_4m8-00235-00078647-00079123 just to give an idea about I would say uRDlAbu_4m8-00236-00079124-00079395 the event IVA T in the creativity of uRDlAbu_4m8-00237-00079396-00079792 those inventors there is a section here uRDlAbu_4m8-00238-00079793-00080502 that will help you to begin have a sense uRDlAbu_4m8-00239-00080503-00080884 of what is out there if there is die if uRDlAbu_4m8-00240-00080885-00081334 there 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temperature what you uRDlAbu_4m8-00376-00129757-00130218 have to do is just follow this line and uRDlAbu_4m8-00377-00130219-00130422 you will have a life expectancy so this uRDlAbu_4m8-00378-00130423-00130644 basic principle has been used for uRDlAbu_4m8-00379-00130645-00131022 decades for a lot of materials and a lot uRDlAbu_4m8-00380-00131023-00131496 of the data that is available today this uRDlAbu_4m8-00381-00131497-00131733 is what they do this is how the color uRDlAbu_4m8-00382-00131734-00132129 guide can basically and what it tell us uRDlAbu_4m8-00383-00132130-00132204 here uRDlAbu_4m8-00384-00132205-00132468 well it tell her that that home uRDlAbu_4m8-00385-00132469-00132861 temperature 74 night oh Lord I will go uRDlAbu_4m8-00386-00132862-00133062 through significant significant decay uRDlAbu_4m8-00387-00133063-00133305 after forty years but if you produce uRDlAbu_4m8-00388-00133306-00133659 this a thirty five Fahrenheit or to uRDlAbu_4m8-00389-00133660-00134160 Celsius the 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thing is that of course in uRDlAbu_4m8-00444-00153721-00154029 the freezer we never never see any uRDlAbu_4m8-00445-00154030-00154299 change up to now uRDlAbu_4m8-00446-00154300-00154593 at home temperature of the film are uRDlAbu_4m8-00447-00154594-00154875 going for a long time already uRDlAbu_4m8-00448-00154876-00155277 so this is where where where we came to uRDlAbu_4m8-00449-00155278-00155724 this idea of having having those 80 uRDlAbu_4m8-00450-00155725-00155967 strips I decide what it was this slide uRDlAbu_4m8-00451-00155968-00156210 is not quite right because it supposed uRDlAbu_4m8-00452-00156211-00156792 to be some color from blue here too to uRDlAbu_4m8-00453-00156793-00157095 yellow but it's not there but it's okay uRDlAbu_4m8-00454-00157096-00157671 so we came to this idea of putting an uRDlAbu_4m8-00455-00157672-00157938 acid-base indicator on a piece of paper uRDlAbu_4m8-00456-00157939-00158274 I see a roll and then testing and then uRDlAbu_4m8-00457-00158275-00158640 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uRDlAbu_4m8-00539-00185751-00186138 certainly if you want to approach your uRDlAbu_4m8-00540-00186139-00186405 preservation issue as a whole this means uRDlAbu_4m8-00541-00186406-00186780 the whole building collection or if you uRDlAbu_4m8-00542-00186781-00187023 are interested in individual collection uRDlAbu_4m8-00543-00187024-00187545 basically so once you have to when you uRDlAbu_4m8-00544-00187546-00187847 decided that you can go and you start by uRDlAbu_4m8-00545-00187848-00188370 naming by indicating and entering the uRDlAbu_4m8-00546-00188371-00188661 type of temperature and immediately you uRDlAbu_4m8-00547-00188662-00188900 have you maintain the storage or may be uRDlAbu_4m8-00548-00188901-00189126 maintained by itself if you don't have uRDlAbu_4m8-00549-00189127-00189465 any HVAC system and also decide whether uRDlAbu_4m8-00550-00189466-00189759 you have what kind of materials you have uRDlAbu_4m8-00551-00189760-00190098 in the storage so the system will store uRDlAbu_4m8-00552-00190099-00190419 all this information and you will stay uRDlAbu_4m8-00553-00190420-00190686 there and you will only you will have uRDlAbu_4m8-00554-00190687-00190935 access to that information using your uRDlAbu_4m8-00555-00190936-00191408 your password so this particular thing uRDlAbu_4m8-00556-00191409-00191709 will give you an overview here as you uRDlAbu_4m8-00557-00191710-00192027 create your collection you have a list uRDlAbu_4m8-00558-00192028-00192534 that will go on and on and and second is uRDlAbu_4m8-00559-00192535-00192729 a kind of summary so the next thing you uRDlAbu_4m8-00560-00192730-00192981 can do is start a preservation overview uRDlAbu_4m8-00561-00192982-00193449 and behind the scene I would say every uRDlAbu_4m8-00562-00193450-00193789 time we you said you put a temperature uRDlAbu_4m8-00563-00193790-00194266 actually the storage of your urine via uRDlAbu_4m8-00564-00194267-00194470 no your 1v element will be categorized 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do your own assessment no faster you uRDlAbu_4m8-00620-00212578-00213013 have certainly sir the actual condition uRDlAbu_4m8-00621-00213014-00213534 in this particular case is 21 Celsius uRDlAbu_4m8-00622-00213535-00214199 sorry as in Celsius so so that this is a uRDlAbu_4m8-00623-00214200-00214602 770 about Fahrenheit and the temperature uRDlAbu_4m8-00624-00214603-00214773 and it also gives you a number of you uRDlAbu_4m8-00625-00214775-00215071 are here if I can win right here 38 uRDlAbu_4m8-00626-00215071-00215685 years at this condition here you may be uRDlAbu_4m8-00627-00215686-00215946 satisfied probably not so you can uRDlAbu_4m8-00628-00215948-00216507 explore by basically choosing different uRDlAbu_4m8-00629-00216508-00216715 conditions so you can move that cursor uRDlAbu_4m8-00630-00216716-00217283 here and you can say uRDlAbu_4m8-00631-00217284-00217664 those result they will appear in this uRDlAbu_4m8-00632-00217665-00217996 window so very quickly you can never 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uRDlAbu_4m8-00754-00259978-00260292 there so in this particular instance are uRDlAbu_4m8-00755-00260292-00260769 here at the bottom of the report do you uRDlAbu_4m8-00756-00260769-00261003 have this graph here so we give you a uRDlAbu_4m8-00757-00261004-00261394 picture basically of the level of today uRDlAbu_4m8-00758-00261396-00261885 30 35 percent of something like that of uRDlAbu_4m8-00759-00261886-00262332 the film or in critical condition let's uRDlAbu_4m8-00760-00262333-00262824 me lever to entry within five years five uRDlAbu_4m8-00761-00262825-00263337 years in five years it will be half of uRDlAbu_4m8-00762-00263338-00263681 the collections and why is it uRDlAbu_4m8-00763-00263682-00263868 in this particular case is because uRDlAbu_4m8-00764-00263869-00264416 material is tall near home compared to a uRDlAbu_4m8-00765-00264417-00265079 74 night so this is the type of of an uRDlAbu_4m8-00766-00265080-00265370 bookish information and data which is uRDlAbu_4m8-00767-00265371-00265844 really really critical because it should uRDlAbu_4m8-00768-00265845-00266258 it should our next point and this is uRDlAbu_4m8-00769-00266259-00266498 another one of the use of this web uRDlAbu_4m8-00770-00266499-00266908 application what we hope is that help uRDlAbu_4m8-00771-00266909-00267383 everybody to formulate and qualify the uRDlAbu_4m8-00772-00267384-00267754 level of needs of a particular situation uRDlAbu_4m8-00773-00267755-00268167 think about when you when you apply for uRDlAbu_4m8-00774-00268168-00268478 grant why Suzanne was talking about the uRDlAbu_4m8-00775-00268479-00268808 cap application ground here so this is uRDlAbu_4m8-00776-00268809-00268992 typically typically this kind of work uRDlAbu_4m8-00777-00268993-00269347 can be probably done within the uRDlAbu_4m8-00778-00269348-00269683 framework actually of those grant and uRDlAbu_4m8-00779-00269684-00270002 and you can really make a case and uRDlAbu_4m8-00780-00270003-00270428 develop a singer view and black and uRDlAbu_4m8-00781-00270429-00270740 white you can give numbers certainly uRDlAbu_4m8-00782-00270741-00270983 about the needs of that particular uRDlAbu_4m8-00783-00270984-00271199 collection in your institution you know uRDlAbu_4m8-00784-00271200-00271682 library or wherever you are so this is uRDlAbu_4m8-00785-00271683-00272166 something you can really play now you uRDlAbu_4m8-00786-00272167-00272518 can also make some prediction yourself uRDlAbu_4m8-00787-00272519-00272780 by using the storage calculator of uRDlAbu_4m8-00788-00272781-00273185 acetate it's a similar tool as the uRDlAbu_4m8-00789-00273186-00273543 calculator for color but one there is uRDlAbu_4m8-00790-00273544-00273893 one big difference actually and this is uRDlAbu_4m8-00791-00273894-00274354 the fact that in this tool you can focus uRDlAbu_4m8-00792-00274355-00274823 on the film which is really degraded up uRDlAbu_4m8-00793-00274824-00275166 to this critical point the autocatalytic uRDlAbu_4m8-00794-00275167-00275432 point and then you can formulate the uRDlAbu_4m8-00795-00275433-00275705 question how many will take for all uRDlAbu_4m8-00796-00275706-00276012 those materials before uRDlAbu_4m8-00797-00276013-00276282 they become in a critical condition and uRDlAbu_4m8-00798-00276283-00276570 very soon after being damaged and being uRDlAbu_4m8-00799-00276571-00277013 lost so you can the same thing you can uRDlAbu_4m8-00800-00277014-00277439 choose my use temperature here and uRDlAbu_4m8-00801-00277440-00277883 various media and looks away effect uRDlAbu_4m8-00802-00277884-00278463 mentally just ability of freshly process uRDlAbu_4m8-00803-00278464-00278763 film acetate the film as this indicator uRDlAbu_4m8-00804-00278764-00279261 here because frankly is not many anymore uRDlAbu_4m8-00805-00279262-00279660 in the insulin archive today but the key uRDlAbu_4m8-00806-00279661-00279879 point is to look at salts the one which uRDlAbu_4m8-00807-00279880-00280107 are already degrading and the one uRDlAbu_4m8-00808-00280108-00280419 already harder at the autocratic want uRDlAbu_4m8-00809-00280420-00280650 something you can save the data you can uRDlAbu_4m8-00810-00280651-00281151 export all the ordered also the data uRDlAbu_4m8-00811-00281152-00281414 here and you can see by looking at this uRDlAbu_4m8-00812-00281415-00281817 : here you can see the factor of uRDlAbu_4m8-00813-00281818-00282165 improvement in this particular case by uRDlAbu_4m8-00814-00282166-00282510 decreasing the temperature so you uRDlAbu_4m8-00815-00282511-00282777 generate data basically this is what you uRDlAbu_4m8-00816-00282778-00283455 do the data was certainly a very very uRDlAbu_4m8-00817-00283456-00284106 objective one so you you have done all uRDlAbu_4m8-00818-00284107-00284526 that you probably have in a phase where uRDlAbu_4m8-00819-00284527-00285033 you stopped probably dreaming this is uRDlAbu_4m8-00820-00285034-00285306 what I want this is this type of storage uRDlAbu_4m8-00821-00285307-00285570 that my collection made this is what uRDlAbu_4m8-00822-00285571-00285833 will be good for my institution and uRDlAbu_4m8-00823-00285834-00286376 there is a lot of step certainly before uRDlAbu_4m8-00824-00286377-00286797 before before getting there so this is uRDlAbu_4m8-00825-00286798-00287058 why in the other tab that we call uRDlAbu_4m8-00826-00287059-00287646 implement we can try to define I think uRDlAbu_4m8-00827-00287647-00288024 so eight step implementation process uRDlAbu_4m8-00828-00288025-00288462 which basically basically is things that uRDlAbu_4m8-00829-00288463-00288888 you have to think about before going uRDlAbu_4m8-00830-00288889-00289043 forward April uRDlAbu_4m8-00831-00289044-00289346 is basically a kind of way to go step by uRDlAbu_4m8-00832-00289347-00289681 step and in some particular cases that uRDlAbu_4m8-00833-00289682-00289922 you have decision to make your decision uRDlAbu_4m8-00834-00289923-00290012 to make uRDlAbu_4m8-00835-00290013-00290354 what would be the best storage solution uRDlAbu_4m8-00836-00290355-00290762 for example for for your for your uRDlAbu_4m8-00837-00290763-00291122 esthetician should I look into a Mac uRDlAbu_4m8-00838-00291123-00291287 hole on the element all that's been uRDlAbu_4m8-00839-00291288-00291746 involved or a space that that we put all uRDlAbu_4m8-00840-00291747-00292094 the material inside and so forth should uRDlAbu_4m8-00841-00292095-00292625 I look at mark Mike hole on the uRDlAbu_4m8-00842-00292626-00292858 ornamental solution and using silk uRDlAbu_4m8-00843-00292859-00293128 container and so forth I mean there's uRDlAbu_4m8-00844-00293129-00293481 several option there that actually are uRDlAbu_4m8-00845-00293482-00293846 discussed so in this web application so uRDlAbu_4m8-00846-00293847-00294038 and you go in somewhere in some of this uRDlAbu_4m8-00847-00294039-00294432 we are here anyway see on the screen but uRDlAbu_4m8-00848-00294433-00294839 you you have linked actually here will uRDlAbu_4m8-00849-00294840-00295130 give you more information and and key uRDlAbu_4m8-00850-00295131-00295414 point really for you to decide uRDlAbu_4m8-00851-00295415-00295805 so this is an example here is that you uRDlAbu_4m8-00852-00295806-00296056 can find it easier from the uRDlAbu_4m8-00853-00296057-00296359 implementation page or from the also a uRDlAbu_4m8-00854-00296360-00296747 tab over there the first one basically uRDlAbu_4m8-00855-00296748-00297272 compare two different alternative of uRDlAbu_4m8-00856-00297273-00297626 storage what I cause a Mac hole on the uRDlAbu_4m8-00857-00297627-00297883 ornamental a Porsche and micro uRDlAbu_4m8-00858-00297884-00298199 environment I report in one in the uRDlAbu_4m8-00859-00298200-00298421 second one here you control the old boat uRDlAbu_4m8-00860-00298422-00298790 in the first you create basically micro uRDlAbu_4m8-00861-00298791-00299047 environment so to give an example of uRDlAbu_4m8-00862-00299048-00299792 using molecular sieves and in in silk uRDlAbu_4m8-00863-00299793-00300055 container will appear in the in daenerys uRDlAbu_4m8-00864-00300056-00300326 so this is a micro environment can uRDlAbu_4m8-00865-00300327-00300395 apportion uRDlAbu_4m8-00866-00300396-00300931 we impact certainly the full process the uRDlAbu_4m8-00867-00300932-00301223 workflow and a lot of different thing uRDlAbu_4m8-00868-00301224-00301637 like this but this is something we will uRDlAbu_4m8-00869-00301638-00302093 help you to compare the o0 or so so here uRDlAbu_4m8-00870-00302094-00302555 it's again it's a comparison between uRDlAbu_4m8-00871-00302556-00302993 various where to implement storage at uRDlAbu_4m8-00872-00302994-00303476 low temperature so everybody can't it uRDlAbu_4m8-00873-00303477-00303889 have a loud cold vault uRDlAbu_4m8-00874-00303890-00304232 noticeably need to build a large core uRDlAbu_4m8-00875-00304233-00304529 vault depending the volume of the uRDlAbu_4m8-00876-00304530-00304889 collection depending on our sector you uRDlAbu_4m8-00877-00304890-00305426 can certainly use like um freezer and so uRDlAbu_4m8-00878-00305427-00305642 forth so but because of this race and uRDlAbu_4m8-00879-00305643-00305996 handling some precaution to be to be uRDlAbu_4m8-00880-00305997-00306344 taken and this particular also so go uRDlAbu_4m8-00881-00306345-00306734 into that that aspect here so this is uRDlAbu_4m8-00882-00306735-00306920 something this is not an interactive uRDlAbu_4m8-00883-00306921-00307154 part of the website but there is uRDlAbu_4m8-00884-00307155-00307385 certainly a lot of information that you uRDlAbu_4m8-00885-00307386-00307721 can dig and roll a link that you can uRDlAbu_4m8-00886-00307722-00308068 explore to answer some of the question uRDlAbu_4m8-00887-00308069-00308507 and freely once you have what you need uRDlAbu_4m8-00888-00308508-00308998 maybe or you are going in that direction uRDlAbu_4m8-00889-00308999-00309308 you still have to monitor your uRDlAbu_4m8-00890-00309309-00309622 collection and this doesn't of course uRDlAbu_4m8-00891-00309623-00309920 implies that you have two monitors the uRDlAbu_4m8-00892-00309921-00310352 environment it's also implies that you uRDlAbu_4m8-00893-00310353-00310658 have to monitor certain leaves or the uRDlAbu_4m8-00894-00310659-00310964 collection itself you have to put in uRDlAbu_4m8-00895-00310965-00311315 place for example or handling procedures uRDlAbu_4m8-00896-00311316-00311681 that will avoid damage cause a good uRDlAbu_4m8-00897-00311682-00312179 example here will be avoiding avoiding uRDlAbu_4m8-00898-00312180-00312464 condensation of the materials and for uRDlAbu_4m8-00899-00312465-00312638 this so there is some indication in uRDlAbu_4m8-00900-00312639-00312869 bullet point here to help you to figure uRDlAbu_4m8-00901-00312870-00313046 out it is enough to be really uRDlAbu_4m8-00902-00313047-00313559 complicated it's just as to be effective uRDlAbu_4m8-00903-00313560-00313994 and we can go over when you have some uRDlAbu_4m8-00904-00313995-00314405 some question or so on death and it go uRDlAbu_4m8-00905-00314406-00314684 down the list or monitoring the uRDlAbu_4m8-00906-00314685-00314924 condition of the collection this is uRDlAbu_4m8-00907-00314925-00315152 something which is important especially uRDlAbu_4m8-00908-00315153-00315503 especially if you don't have a cold uRDlAbu_4m8-00909-00315504-00315956 environment as we learn as I show you uRDlAbu_4m8-00910-00315957-00316264 well if you have a 479 things will not uRDlAbu_4m8-00911-00316265-00316637 probably move for a long long time if uRDlAbu_4m8-00912-00316638-00316972 you don't have that actually the ongoing uRDlAbu_4m8-00913-00316973-00317435 deterioration as a film will not stop so uRDlAbu_4m8-00914-00317436-00317819 you may need actually to monitor all the uRDlAbu_4m8-00915-00317820-00318038 collection again it can be done uRDlAbu_4m8-00916-00318039-00318380 statistically and you can see where the uRDlAbu_4m8-00917-00318381-00318680 collection its is going so in this table uRDlAbu_4m8-00918-00318681-00319052 here it gives some suggest some some uRDlAbu_4m8-00919-00319053-00319400 tongue parry order here that you should uRDlAbu_4m8-00920-00319401-00319727 follow up some guideline and you can see uRDlAbu_4m8-00921-00319728-00320078 that if it's frozen well you don't have uRDlAbu_4m8-00922-00320079-00320447 to do that very often at all in the uRDlAbu_4m8-00923-00320448-00320716 other case you certainly have to pay a uRDlAbu_4m8-00924-00320717-00321392 good attention to that so the usual the uRDlAbu_4m8-00925-00321393-00321698 other aspect of course as a collection uRDlAbu_4m8-00926-00321699-00322064 is not a static thing there is new uRDlAbu_4m8-00927-00322065-00322400 materials coming screening those uRDlAbu_4m8-00928-00322401-00322682 materials it's certainly and knowing at uRDlAbu_4m8-00929-00322683-00322907 which condition they are and what they uRDlAbu_4m8-00930-00322908-00323156 may need storage is very very important uRDlAbu_4m8-00931-00323157-00323662 this matter offer or material fool there uRDlAbu_4m8-00932-00323663-00324064 the importance of fear of enclosures uRDlAbu_4m8-00933-00324065-00324302 actually this is something that over uRDlAbu_4m8-00934-00324303-00324566 time you become actually less and less uRDlAbu_4m8-00935-00324567-00324740 important if you talk about acetate uRDlAbu_4m8-00936-00324741-00325349 materials it was a time that it was a uRDlAbu_4m8-00937-00325350-00325685 big deal it was also a big marketing uRDlAbu_4m8-00938-00325686-00325997 deal but there is no inclusive release uRDlAbu_4m8-00939-00325998-00326282 that can solve I can give a satisfactory uRDlAbu_4m8-00940-00326283-00326696 answer to the program of chemical decay uRDlAbu_4m8-00941-00326697-00327095 of a state film so versus the storages uRDlAbu_4m8-00942-00327096-00327566 that will do that however looking at uRDlAbu_4m8-00943-00327567-00328043 uncross there who can are not rusty on uRDlAbu_4m8-00944-00328044-00328411 cruiser compatible with photographic uRDlAbu_4m8-00945-00328412-00328694 materials or does is very very important uRDlAbu_4m8-00946-00328695-00329078 and should certainly keep in mind all uRDlAbu_4m8-00947-00329079-00329315 the time very certainly and this is the uRDlAbu_4m8-00948-00329316-00329654 last step here they said certainly the uRDlAbu_4m8-00949-00329655-00330046 situation may evolve things like well uRDlAbu_4m8-00950-00330047-00330274 personnel may evolve uRDlAbu_4m8-00951-00330275-00330665 people my retired so new people may come uRDlAbu_4m8-00952-00330666-00330914 so I think that the education component uRDlAbu_4m8-00953-00330915-00331502 also is a very important one because the uRDlAbu_4m8-00954-00331503-00331859 film if we do our job will be there and uRDlAbu_4m8-00955-00331860-00332093 certainly we would have to take care of uRDlAbu_4m8-00956-00332094-00332408 this for long long time and at least uRDlAbu_4m8-00957-00332409-00333178 it's it's a goal so this only three uRDlAbu_4m8-00958-00333179-00333662 important worlds and if you before you uRDlAbu_4m8-00959-00333663-00334037 go and use that web application I think uRDlAbu_4m8-00960-00334038-00334631 we should have those can tattoo and uRDlAbu_4m8-00961-00334632-00334766 think about them uRDlAbu_4m8-00962-00334767-00335054 we certainly in many cases sufficient uRDlAbu_4m8-00963-00335055-00335303 level and knowing what can a component uRDlAbu_4m8-00964-00335304-00335675 of film yes in a simplified way we don't uRDlAbu_4m8-00965-00335676-00336026 need to go into the nitty-gritty of all uRDlAbu_4m8-00966-00336027-00336239 the variation but understanding the uRDlAbu_4m8-00967-00336240-00336569 material is really key steering and the uRDlAbu_4m8-00968-00336570-00336925 prop storage it should be our goal and uRDlAbu_4m8-00969-00336926-00337334 we are certainly not there because often uRDlAbu_4m8-00970-00337335-00337517 we don't know also how to pay for it uRDlAbu_4m8-00971-00337518-00337976 and again monitoring for long period of uRDlAbu_4m8-00972-00337977-00338558 time is also very very essential so it's uRDlAbu_4m8-00973-00338559-00338948 so this morning I was looking at the uRDlAbu_4m8-00974-00338949-00339149 finicky error activity and as I uRDlAbu_4m8-00975-00339150-00339566 mentioned earlier there was almost 600 uRDlAbu_4m8-00976-00339567-00339893 people that at least account said I uRDlAbu_4m8-00977-00339894-00340178 being so they being used for uRDlAbu_4m8-00978-00340179-00340586 and it also give a give some statistic uRDlAbu_4m8-00979-00340587-00340982 here when the people enter and create a uRDlAbu_4m8-00980-00340983-00341429 collection and and put the conditions uRDlAbu_4m8-00981-00341430-00341762 they are there in the in Durango storage uRDlAbu_4m8-00982-00341763-00342005 is there it gives some kind of security uRDlAbu_4m8-00983-00342006-00342484 picture here so it's you know we're uRDlAbu_4m8-00984-00342485-00342860 telling that there is something like uRDlAbu_4m8-00985-00342861-00343541 almost 60% of the materials all store at uRDlAbu_4m8-00986-00343542-00343858 home temperature and we all know that uRDlAbu_4m8-00987-00343859-00344186 well this will not last forever the uRDlAbu_4m8-00988-00344187-00344453 material will not last forever and this uRDlAbu_4m8-00989-00344454-00345209 really just ok almost 30 percent in cold uRDlAbu_4m8-00990-00345210-00345557 or frozen stores so this is not uRDlAbu_4m8-00991-00345558-00345977 quantitative it's just numbers basically uRDlAbu_4m8-00992-00345978-00346285 remember member of situation exists uRDlAbu_4m8-00993-00346286-00346538 again when you look at the statistic and uRDlAbu_4m8-00994-00346539-00346736 in the acetate are all over the place uRDlAbu_4m8-00995-00346737-00347132 it's by far by far the materials that uRDlAbu_4m8-00996-00347133-00347462 are the most present in our archive and uRDlAbu_4m8-00997-00347463-00347729 depository and so this is also one of uRDlAbu_4m8-00998-00347730-00347984 the reasons that focusing on this uRDlAbu_4m8-00999-00347985-00348332 particular material it's really really uRDlAbu_4m8-01000-00348333-00348637 important and this is really moving uRDlAbu_4m8-01001-00348638-00349019 all this material into code and code and uRDlAbu_4m8-01002-00349020-00349286 most suitable environment this is really uRDlAbu_4m8-01003-00349287-00349582 the ultimate ultimate goal of this web uRDlAbu_4m8-01004-00349583-00350027 application and the people doing by by uRDlAbu_4m8-01005-00350028-00350251 themselves the archivist and library uRDlAbu_4m8-01006-00350252-00350681 dances this is the most the most uRDlAbu_4m8-01007-00350682-00350999 important it's not that I don't like to uRDlAbu_4m8-01008-00351000-00351388 get email with questions or phone call uRDlAbu_4m8-01009-00351389-00351926 but I think it's a way where it's a lot uRDlAbu_4m8-01010-00351927-00352343 more efficient to try to learn to use uRDlAbu_4m8-01011-00352344-00352670 this and learn at the same time the kind uRDlAbu_4m8-01012-00352671-00352967 of mechanic of in preservation uRDlAbu_4m8-01013-00352968-00353525 so finally but not last maybe it doesn't uRDlAbu_4m8-01014-00353526-00353843 look like that but for any project unit uRDlAbu_4m8-01015-00353844-00354340 for girls and neh I have to say almost uRDlAbu_4m8-01016-00354341-00354784 single-ended and it really as support uRDlAbu_4m8-01017-00354785-00355049 everything about your motivation that IP uRDlAbu_4m8-01018-00355050-00355274 is done so I would like to thank them uRDlAbu_4m8-01019-00355275-00355637 and of course a lot of antenna went uRDlAbu_4m8-01020-00355638-00356179 through IP I easier from internship uRDlAbu_4m8-01021-00356180-00356396 programs that we create with an ER and uRDlAbu_4m8-01022-00356397-00356704 ethnic schooling those are really really uRDlAbu_4m8-01023-00356705-00357049 contributed to the whole project and uRDlAbu_4m8-01024-00357050-00357587 thankful the site advisors and so forth uRDlAbu_4m8-01025-00357588-00358057 and of course my colleague we are the uRDlAbu_4m8-01026-00358058-00358463 key of this of this goal here so I will uRDlAbu_4m8-01027-00358464-00358927 stop there there's quite a few questions uRDlAbu_4m8-01028-00358928-00359675 so we'll go to Susan okay I'm gonna uRDlAbu_4m8-01029-00359676-00360205 bring over the evaluation I think yeah uRDlAbu_4m8-01030-00360206-00360440 here's the evaluation link because I uRDlAbu_4m8-01031-00360441-00360839 often forget it so probably the uRDlAbu_4m8-01032-00360840-00361097 evaluations are very important so please uRDlAbu_4m8-01033-00361098-00361534 fill it out and we'll go through these uRDlAbu_4m8-01034-00361535-00361973 questions and I'll just them to you they uRDlAbu_4m8-01035-00361974-00362402 order that they came I'm okay how can uRDlAbu_4m8-01036-00362403-00362645 you do cold storage on a budget and uRDlAbu_4m8-01037-00362646-00363164 limited space and grant Brisco says they uRDlAbu_4m8-01038-00363165-00363377 have a bunch of negative slides in a uRDlAbu_4m8-01039-00363378-00363817 couple of films currently kept in in uRDlAbu_4m8-01040-00363818-00364472 canisters yeah and so so we have a uRDlAbu_4m8-01041-00364473-00364654 couple of questions sort of along that uRDlAbu_4m8-01042-00364655-00364727 line uRDlAbu_4m8-01043-00364728-00365312 how okay and actually that question came uRDlAbu_4m8-01044-00365313-00365951 up before you started in in your tool No uRDlAbu_4m8-01045-00365952-00366549 so I think the question is basically uRDlAbu_4m8-01046-00366550-00366828 undeveloped a bootjet right depending on uRDlAbu_4m8-01047-00366829-00367050 the size of the collection right mm-hmm uRDlAbu_4m8-01048-00367051-00367713 basically so I would say that for the uRDlAbu_4m8-01049-00367714-00368025 size of the collection and the volume of uRDlAbu_4m8-01050-00368026-00368298 the collection first you have to know uRDlAbu_4m8-01051-00368299-00368604 let's assume that you need you you have uRDlAbu_4m8-01052-00368605-00368877 acetate or coal or materials and that we uRDlAbu_4m8-01053-00368878-00369276 all know that these materials will in uRDlAbu_4m8-01054-00369277-00369579 need the colder the better right so if uRDlAbu_4m8-01055-00369580-00369990 it's a small collection and really small uRDlAbu_4m8-01056-00369991-00370290 let's say that you have less than 19 uRDlAbu_4m8-01057-00370291-00370716 cubic feet of materials right in this uRDlAbu_4m8-01058-00370717-00371004 particular case you certainly will have uRDlAbu_4m8-01059-00371005-00371651 enough with a typical household freezer uRDlAbu_4m8-01060-00371652-00372047 so there is a very good lubrication uRDlAbu_4m8-01061-00372048-00372337 actually in the topic so I forgot the uRDlAbu_4m8-01062-00372338-00372378 number uRDlAbu_4m8-01063-00372379-00372862 the Suzanne Sal right now what well she uRDlAbu_4m8-01064-00372863-00373170 went to the mechanic of estimating all uRDlAbu_4m8-01065-00373171-00373455 the cost the particularity of using this uRDlAbu_4m8-01066-00373456-00373665 type of freezer is that you really have uRDlAbu_4m8-01067-00373666-00373983 to package the materials because this uRDlAbu_4m8-01068-00373984-00374160 type of freezer don't control the uRDlAbu_4m8-01069-00374161-00374628 humidity and and at this condition you uRDlAbu_4m8-01070-00374629-00374982 can run into into trouble basically in uRDlAbu_4m8-01071-00374983-00375366 terms of mechanical decay softening of uRDlAbu_4m8-01072-00375367-00375543 the gelatine and so forth so in this uRDlAbu_4m8-01073-00375544-00375903 particular case you will rely on the uRDlAbu_4m8-01074-00375904-00376284 packaging and the best packaging there uRDlAbu_4m8-01075-00376285-00376685 is certainly as you can aluminum for uRDlAbu_4m8-01076-00376686-00377250 packaging that you can either buy at the uRDlAbu_4m8-01077-00377251-00377451 size of a loophole or even customize uRDlAbu_4m8-01078-00377452-00377955 yourself and use a biro so so this will uRDlAbu_4m8-01079-00377956-00378412 enter into the budget you have to think uRDlAbu_4m8-01080-00378413-00378761 about certainly too uRDlAbu_4m8-01081-00378762-00378998 two layers is better than one because uRDlAbu_4m8-01082-00378999-00379259 it's always defect and you will not look uRDlAbu_4m8-01083-00379260-00379442 in your freezer for a long long time if uRDlAbu_4m8-01084-00379443-00379676 you don't ever need access to the uRDlAbu_4m8-01085-00379677-00379918 material this is one one of the option uRDlAbu_4m8-01086-00379919-00380219 you certainly need to budget the uRDlAbu_4m8-01087-00380220-00380500 probably the time you will have to spend uRDlAbu_4m8-01088-00380501-00380833 to do that there is an excellent uRDlAbu_4m8-01089-00380834-00381254 document also I think we put in the in uRDlAbu_4m8-01090-00381255-00381701 the end out developed by the National uRDlAbu_4m8-01091-00381702-00382010 Park Service about coastal regions even uRDlAbu_4m8-01092-00382011-00382625 video will show you how to do that in an uRDlAbu_4m8-01093-00382626-00382841 effective way and organized I think this uRDlAbu_4m8-01094-00382842-00383189 will be maybe the best for you to look uRDlAbu_4m8-01095-00383190-00383453 into and as I said the pit performer uRDlAbu_4m8-01096-00383454-00383831 from Saha she go in great detail on the uRDlAbu_4m8-01097-00383832-00384226 various price so you will have to update uRDlAbu_4m8-01098-00384227-00384527 those price but I think all the uRDlAbu_4m8-01099-00384528-00385100 guidelines are there and and so I don't uRDlAbu_4m8-01100-00385101-00385352 reserve you know between seven hundred uRDlAbu_4m8-01101-00385353-00385508 eight hundred dollars something like uRDlAbu_4m8-01102-00385509-00385931 this so evaluating the volume of the uRDlAbu_4m8-01103-00385932-00386132 collection is key first I would say uRDlAbu_4m8-01104-00386133-00386321 there's a question if you store in a uRDlAbu_4m8-01105-00386322-00386570 freezer what is the best way to keep uRDlAbu_4m8-01106-00386571-00386830 well actually you just covered that on uRDlAbu_4m8-01107-00386831-00387056 moisture and condensation that's uRDlAbu_4m8-01108-00387057-00387533 packaging right well as uRDlAbu_4m8-01109-00387534-00387794 they still thing when you use your own uRDlAbu_4m8-01110-00387795-00387980 freezer of course and you have the uRDlAbu_4m8-01111-00387981-00388283 packaging you are safe there when you uRDlAbu_4m8-01112-00388284-00388625 retrieve the material the condensation uRDlAbu_4m8-01113-00388626-00389015 will occur on the outside right so the uRDlAbu_4m8-01114-00389016-00389477 trick here is to to really open or cut uRDlAbu_4m8-01115-00389478-00390002 the seal when the the material is above uRDlAbu_4m8-01116-00390003-00390209 the temperature is above the dew point uRDlAbu_4m8-01117-00390210-00390542 of the room but to make it simple you uRDlAbu_4m8-01118-00390543-00391001 know overnight warming up or 24 hours uRDlAbu_4m8-01119-00391002-00391190 this is what the people do because it's uRDlAbu_4m8-01120-00391191-00391502 easy to remember and then you can access uRDlAbu_4m8-01121-00391503-00391835 to the film and it will not be any uRDlAbu_4m8-01122-00391836-00392207 condensation now if you have a video a uRDlAbu_4m8-01123-00392208-00392678 small vault let's say and you you walk uRDlAbu_4m8-01124-00392679-00392948 in and retrieve the materials and in uRDlAbu_4m8-01125-00392949-00393239 that particular vote because the uRDlAbu_4m8-01126-00393240-00393419 immediate e and the temperature is uRDlAbu_4m8-01127-00393420-00393668 control you don't have a packaging uRDlAbu_4m8-01128-00393669-00393962 because you don't need it in this uRDlAbu_4m8-01129-00393963-00394274 particular case you should use some type uRDlAbu_4m8-01130-00394275-00394859 of moisture proof proof package EMU uRDlAbu_4m8-01131-00394860-00395321 could be as simple as a cooler that you uRDlAbu_4m8-01132-00395322-00395702 use to go camping a picnic or freezer uRDlAbu_4m8-01133-00395703-00396044 bags and they come in large sizes some uRDlAbu_4m8-01134-00396045-00396344 type of container that basically will uRDlAbu_4m8-01135-00396345-00396569 avoid the condensation of the object and uRDlAbu_4m8-01136-00396570-00397228 and that's it so even even a plastic tub uRDlAbu_4m8-01137-00397229-00397400 would do the trick uRDlAbu_4m8-01138-00397401-00397805 well and again here I would I would I uRDlAbu_4m8-01139-00397806-00398168 would wait to be simple you know uRDlAbu_4m8-01140-00398169-00398636 overnight or 24 hours even so and you uRDlAbu_4m8-01141-00398637-00399092 can go to the website in the resources uRDlAbu_4m8-01142-00399093-00399655 there is a tab there that will indicate uRDlAbu_4m8-01143-00399656-00400118 really the only takes for this a few uRDlAbu_4m8-01144-00400119-00400462 example there for 35 millimeter uRDlAbu_4m8-01145-00400463-00401074 or fear nor box of film to equilibrate uRDlAbu_4m8-01146-00401075-00401284 in terms of temperature you will see uRDlAbu_4m8-01147-00401285-00401727 that most often it's a matter of powers uRDlAbu_4m8-01148-00401728-00402352 really but just to be safe you know you uRDlAbu_4m8-01149-00402353-00403664 can condensation damage the film Welkin uRDlAbu_4m8-01150-00403665-00404281 incision if in in my okay I don't know uRDlAbu_4m8-01151-00404282-00404543 if she talked or it talks about a roll uRDlAbu_4m8-01152-00404544-00405252 of film or flat film of course the film uRDlAbu_4m8-01153-00405253-00405919 process in in aqueous solution right uRDlAbu_4m8-01154-00405920-00406354 developing fixing and so forth so in a uRDlAbu_4m8-01155-00406355-00406718 way they are used to water right but uRDlAbu_4m8-01156-00406719-00407387 this is you will probably have some some uRDlAbu_4m8-01157-00407388-00407816 change at the surface of the film in uRDlAbu_4m8-01158-00407817-00408041 term this is it would be a kind of kind uRDlAbu_4m8-01159-00408042-00408433 of physical it was almost a mechanical uRDlAbu_4m8-01160-00408434-00408617 decay there in a way because you will uRDlAbu_4m8-01161-00408618-00408818 have a mark now if you make a print from uRDlAbu_4m8-01162-00408819-00409108 the negative just oh you will not see it uRDlAbu_4m8-01163-00409109-00409978 now just for the raw if you have a uRDlAbu_4m8-01164-00409979-00410224 roller here and for the real reason you uRDlAbu_4m8-01165-00410225-00410387 have a lot of condensation and moisture uRDlAbu_4m8-01166-00410388-00410741 it's it's kind of swelling and depending uRDlAbu_4m8-01167-00410742-00411184 how much moisture so actually the u18 is uRDlAbu_4m8-01168-00411185-00411430 absorbing it can become like a glue uRDlAbu_4m8-01169-00411431-00411828 literally right and and so here again uRDlAbu_4m8-01170-00411829-00412135 you you you have a risk for mechanical uRDlAbu_4m8-01171-00412137-00412628 damage of the film if you stay looking uRDlAbu_4m8-01172-00412629-00412816 you know when you are working in a wall uRDlAbu_4m8-01173-00412817-00413030 where this is where you have a lot of uRDlAbu_4m8-01174-00413031-00413497 moisture and then this thing dry up okay uRDlAbu_4m8-01175-00413497-00414155 as low as three in a freezer uRDlAbu_4m8-01176-00414156-00414555 well you know when you are I mean the uRDlAbu_4m8-01177-00414556-00414987 freezer you buy actually even for your uRDlAbu_4m8-01178-00414988-00415478 house it's about where you get then you uRDlAbu_4m8-01179-00415479-00415964 you can adjust it of course but this is uRDlAbu_4m8-01180-00415965-00416285 what you get roughly you know this is uRDlAbu_4m8-01181-00416287-00416757 sitting so I put her here now every two uRDlAbu_4m8-01182-00416758-00417039 great down well it's get better but at uRDlAbu_4m8-01183-00417039-00417345 some point you know the big freezer uRDlAbu_4m8-01184-00417346-00417809 let's say the big freezer who ours you uRDlAbu_4m8-01185-00417810-00418247 know thousand and thousand of cancer uRDlAbu_4m8-01186-00418248-00418557 there or front because those are built uRDlAbu_4m8-01187-00418558-00418776 right and that's you you have energy uRDlAbu_4m8-01188-00418777-00418974 costs who came into the auction uRDlAbu_4m8-01189-00418975-00419384 often they are between 20 and 25 for a uRDlAbu_4m8-01190-00419385-00420084 night it seems to be a good good point uRDlAbu_4m8-01191-00420085-00420485 to be for the collections um we've had a uRDlAbu_4m8-01192-00420487-00420732 couple questions that are along this uRDlAbu_4m8-01193-00420733-00421164 line Chris Alsip says he's part of an uRDlAbu_4m8-01194-00421164-00421374 amateur historian group that's trying to uRDlAbu_4m8-01195-00421375-00421602 preserve local history and that that uRDlAbu_4m8-01196-00421603-00421962 bunch of film filmstrip slides and uRDlAbu_4m8-01197-00421963-00422222 they're not really sure where to start uRDlAbu_4m8-01198-00422223-00422439 and he says are there any tips for a uRDlAbu_4m8-01199-00422439-00422751 beginner who discovered a collection of uRDlAbu_4m8-01200-00422752-00422964 items which may not have been stored uRDlAbu_4m8-01201-00422964-00423687 correctly over the years okay well I uRDlAbu_4m8-01202-00423688-00424020 think we're gonna hear he could uRDlAbu_4m8-01203-00424021-00424284 certainly I don't know extensive the uRDlAbu_4m8-01204-00424285-00424581 collection yes but using similar uRDlAbu_4m8-01205-00424582-00424791 resource which are here and I am uRDlAbu_4m8-01206-00424792-00425120 thinking in particular about the visual uRDlAbu_4m8-01207-00425121-00425614 decay guide and also the base uRDlAbu_4m8-01208-00425615-00426057 identification guide I think in uRDlAbu_4m8-01209-00426058-00426141 conjunction uRDlAbu_4m8-01210-00426142-00426474 with looking at the materials and uRDlAbu_4m8-01211-00426475-00426934 looking at the website which what you uRDlAbu_4m8-01212-00426935-00427491 see now does it look like distortion of uRDlAbu_4m8-01213-00427492-00427710 this so look at the discussion where I uRDlAbu_4m8-01214-00427712-00427960 came from I mean this will be a good a uRDlAbu_4m8-01215-00427960-00428416 good step it's a mixed correction and uRDlAbu_4m8-01216-00428417-00428827 then necessarily a problem because this uRDlAbu_4m8-01217-00428828-00429081 again here sweet point if you want to do uRDlAbu_4m8-01218-00429082-00429372 so right so right I don't know I mean uRDlAbu_4m8-01219-00429373-00429553 I'll be the collection is talking about uRDlAbu_4m8-01220-00429554-00429795 before the business about die fighting I uRDlAbu_4m8-01221-00429796-00430231 would say if the material are older than uRDlAbu_4m8-01222-00430232-00430960 40 years a lot of slide maybe pink maybe uRDlAbu_4m8-01223-00430960-00431397 you can if you had some some some movies uRDlAbu_4m8-01224-00431398-00431884 maybe it's starting to smell like some uRDlAbu_4m8-01225-00431885-00432391 kind of vinegar but using some strip uRDlAbu_4m8-01226-00432392-00432714 certainly would give him some indication uRDlAbu_4m8-01227-00432715-00433027 it was the purpose of learning I will uRDlAbu_4m8-01228-00433028-00433225 choose a society look at the material uRDlAbu_4m8-01229-00433226-00433785 and use the website if this is uRDlAbu_4m8-01230-00433787-00433984 preserving the whole thing I think it uRDlAbu_4m8-01231-00433985-00434388 can grow right away and find a small uRDlAbu_4m8-01232-00434389-00434791 antenna and and go through the motion of uRDlAbu_4m8-01233-00434792-00435499 doing them at low temperature Michael uRDlAbu_4m8-01234-00435500-00435799 Nagy says I notice you're not mentioning uRDlAbu_4m8-01235-00435800-00436033 smells different smells by type or uRDlAbu_4m8-01236-00436034-00437214 strength of smells wears a suit or the uRDlAbu_4m8-01237-00437215-00437664 same as a smell if there is a lot of uRDlAbu_4m8-01238-00437665-00438039 different generation of archivist and uRDlAbu_4m8-01239-00438039-00438485 preservationists and so forth that uRDlAbu_4m8-01240-00438487-00438927 this kind of objectivity a subjectivity uRDlAbu_4m8-01241-00438928-00439247 in in the smell so you can have been uRDlAbu_4m8-01242-00439249-00439563 some time in description lifts you have uRDlAbu_4m8-01243-00439564-00439772 so I think it smell like a naphthalene uRDlAbu_4m8-01244-00439774-00440384 or like rinse better and so forth so uRDlAbu_4m8-01245-00440385-00440925 this thing as you just said the decay is uRDlAbu_4m8-01246-00440926-00441381 already there and so Eddie probably even uRDlAbu_4m8-01247-00441382-00441687 so visually you don't see the decay uRDlAbu_4m8-01248-00441688-00442020 process is really engaged and in an uRDlAbu_4m8-01249-00442021-00442247 advanced state so the industry for uRDlAbu_4m8-01250-00442249-00442739 example the first level of change this uRDlAbu_4m8-01251-00442741-00443121 is some things that you don't smell it's uRDlAbu_4m8-01252-00443122-00443472 a even so even so we can detect the one uRDlAbu_4m8-01253-00443472-00443835 party per million of acetic acid in the uRDlAbu_4m8-01254-00443835-00444377 air but the edge strip will really sense uRDlAbu_4m8-01255-00444378-00444750 they know that and the other thing isn't uRDlAbu_4m8-01256-00444751-00445208 unnecessary healthy to always you know uRDlAbu_4m8-01257-00445209-00446076 to welcome back and smell about uRDlAbu_4m8-01258-00446077-00446406 transferring things to DVD or copying uRDlAbu_4m8-01259-00446407-00446826 things but I want to say a little bit uRDlAbu_4m8-01260-00446827-00447518 later there's someone who says we have a uRDlAbu_4m8-01261-00447520-00447789 huge collection nitrate sheet films that uRDlAbu_4m8-01262-00447789-00448062 came to us after storage and in years of uRDlAbu_4m8-01263-00448063-00449183 storage in an outdoor garage so so uRDlAbu_4m8-01264-00449184-00449870 was incredible with with nitrate is that uRDlAbu_4m8-01265-00449871-00450288 number one number one this 11 nitrate in uRDlAbu_4m8-01266-00450289-00450660 collections I mean even sue where you uRDlAbu_4m8-01267-00450660-00451157 can read that 80% of the American cinema uRDlAbu_4m8-01268-00451158-00451626 pre 1930 has been destroyed some time uRDlAbu_4m8-01269-00451627-00451989 has been destroyed just to recycle the uRDlAbu_4m8-01270-00451989-00454647 silver actually that matron and I think uRDlAbu_4m8-01271-00454647-00454833 I think really the main difference is uRDlAbu_4m8-01272-00454834-00455127 sir Zhu Zhu met word when he start uRDlAbu_4m8-01273-00455128-00455460 decaying the auto catalytic effective uRDlAbu_4m8-01274-00455460-00455745 air because you have a strong acid which uRDlAbu_4m8-01275-00455746-00456018 is playing a role and so forth I mean uRDlAbu_4m8-01276-00456018-00456437 rain start to decay it will disappear uRDlAbu_4m8-01277-00456438-00456777 relatively quickly more quickly even uRDlAbu_4m8-01278-00456778-00457101 than acetate so if you think about our uRDlAbu_4m8-01279-00457102-00457641 old film in a can often you have quite a uRDlAbu_4m8-01280-00457642-00457893 relative important mass of film at there uRDlAbu_4m8-01281-00457893-00458297 you know and and which mean a lot of uRDlAbu_4m8-01282-00458299-00458510 catalysts that can be generated there uRDlAbu_4m8-01283-00458512-00459245 that's mean even a faster decay with uRDlAbu_4m8-01284-00459246-00459759 flat film it can be different because uRDlAbu_4m8-01285-00459760-00459999 you are not necessarily in that uRDlAbu_4m8-01286-00460000-00460364 particular contained situation but I uRDlAbu_4m8-01287-00460366-00460578 remember still before I came in this uRDlAbu_4m8-01288-00460579-00460974 country actually actually it was in a uRDlAbu_4m8-01289-00460975-00461235 museum and father Charles son they uRDlAbu_4m8-01290-00461235-00461891 require a collection of postcard and uRDlAbu_4m8-01291-00461892-00462222 postcard negatives from the beginning of uRDlAbu_4m8-01292-00462222-00462408 the 20th century uRDlAbu_4m8-01293-00462409-00462657 so all those negative or a free-flow by uRDlAbu_4m8-01294-00462658-00463218 five women may trade base and they start uRDlAbu_4m8-01295-00463218-00463662 to or raising those materials and their uRDlAbu_4m8-01296-00463663-00463922 rare disease material in type prefer uRDlAbu_4m8-01297-00463924-00464313 polypropylene a sleeve which we're uRDlAbu_4m8-01298-00464314-00464693 really Iranian actively that's this uRDlAbu_4m8-01299-00464695-00464877 Sarah I mean not still completely uRDlAbu_4m8-01300-00464878-00465260 relatively fear and the humans there was uRDlAbu_4m8-01301-00465260-00465525 some of those quite a bit of those uRDlAbu_4m8-01302-00465526-00465804 negatives it completely disappear in a uRDlAbu_4m8-01303-00465805-00466092 matter of two three three five months uRDlAbu_4m8-01304-00466093-00466368 they they were gone I mean the older uRDlAbu_4m8-01305-00466368-00466710 latina was completely decomposed by the uRDlAbu_4m8-01306-00466710-00468276 acid produce I remember that you uRDlAbu_4m8-01307-00468277-00469695 mentioned a couple of questions about is uRDlAbu_4m8-01308-00469696-00469905 cold storage feasible when you don't uRDlAbu_4m8-01309-00469906-00470406 have an item by item inventory so that uRDlAbu_4m8-01310-00470407-00470649 inside storage feasible when you don't uRDlAbu_4m8-01311-00470650-00471284 have an item by item inventory yeah yes uRDlAbu_4m8-01312-00471285-00471843 yes and and definitely I mean the item uRDlAbu_4m8-01313-00471843-00472176 by item inventory Organa here and this uRDlAbu_4m8-01314-00472177-00472395 is this is an Iowa name because when we uRDlAbu_4m8-01315-00472396-00472781 start working on the idea of 80 strips uRDlAbu_4m8-01316-00472782-00473034 Massey was beginning of the nineties uRDlAbu_4m8-01317-00473035-00473200 actually uRDlAbu_4m8-01318-00473201-00473656 idea at the time was to identify yet uRDlAbu_4m8-01319-00473657-00474010 mystique and identify any single item as uRDlAbu_4m8-01320-00474010-00474372 closer you can be it's already degrading uRDlAbu_4m8-01321-00474373-00474730 and that should be segregated from the uRDlAbu_4m8-01322-00474731-00475033 rest of the collection because of the uRDlAbu_4m8-01323-00475034-00475231 you know infectious behavior and so uRDlAbu_4m8-01324-00475232-00475600 forth there was a there was a first uRDlAbu_4m8-01325-00475601-00475957 intention but over the years once you uRDlAbu_4m8-01326-00475958-00476299 have the tool actually you realizes that uRDlAbu_4m8-01327-00476300-00476551 to do the right thing for the collection uRDlAbu_4m8-01328-00476552-00476887 it's really to do a statical statistical uRDlAbu_4m8-01329-00476888-00477168 sample and to take the right decision uRDlAbu_4m8-01330-00477170-00477360 and move the whole collection into uRDlAbu_4m8-01331-00477362-00477691 customers the other advantage also if if uRDlAbu_4m8-01332-00477692-00477972 you don't have you know when you require uRDlAbu_4m8-01333-00477973-00478321 those collections let's say fat firma uRDlAbu_4m8-01334-00478322-00478600 can be in poor on clothes or you have uRDlAbu_4m8-01335-00478601-00478942 tapes pressure-sensitive tapes you have uRDlAbu_4m8-01336-00478943-00479460 all kind of thing who are in a sense not uRDlAbu_4m8-01337-00479462-00479656 compatible with the photographic media uRDlAbu_4m8-01338-00479657-00480070 who can create problems but you you know uRDlAbu_4m8-01339-00480071-00480385 what instead of spending and never be uRDlAbu_4m8-01340-00480385-00480922 done Rios in everything segregating uRDlAbu_4m8-01341-00480922-00481185 everything putting the whole collection uRDlAbu_4m8-01342-00481187-00481552 into cold storage this is the best thing uRDlAbu_4m8-01343-00481553-00481876 for the collections because everything uRDlAbu_4m8-01344-00481877-00482212 will be slowed down and everything will uRDlAbu_4m8-01345-00482213-00483084 be mitigated so we have yes if you can uRDlAbu_4m8-01346-00483085-00483457 put things in cold storage but the uRDlAbu_4m8-01347-00483458-00483781 perfect is the enemy of the good what if uRDlAbu_4m8-01348-00483782-00484021 you've hit the auto catalyze Asian point uRDlAbu_4m8-01349-00484022-00484306 before you get oh he's talking about uRDlAbu_4m8-01350-00484307-00484522 inventories before you've done an item uRDlAbu_4m8-01351-00484522-00484849 by item inventory so what what saying is uRDlAbu_4m8-01352-00484850-00485085 put things into their cold storage as uRDlAbu_4m8-01353-00485087-00485710 soon as you can right where's a sinister uRDlAbu_4m8-01354-00485710-00486085 Enzo so you can go back at or to the uRDlAbu_4m8-01355-00486085-00486240 presentation there uRDlAbu_4m8-01356-00486241-00486669 and look at the little experiment that I uRDlAbu_4m8-01357-00486670-00486927 talked about when you had a bunch of uRDlAbu_4m8-01358-00486928-00487197 film that we're at the Auto catalytic uRDlAbu_4m8-01359-00487198-00487525 point and then they were separated in uRDlAbu_4m8-01360-00487526-00487818 two groups and then one group was put in uRDlAbu_4m8-01361-00487819-00488040 a freezers user group for stay in the uRDlAbu_4m8-01362-00488041-00488592 lab and after 20 years I couldn't see uRDlAbu_4m8-01363-00488593-00489033 any any increase actually in acidity in uRDlAbu_4m8-01364-00489034-00489273 the one we're in the freezer the other uRDlAbu_4m8-01365-00489274-00489888 one it was multiplied by 20 at least so uRDlAbu_4m8-01366-00489889-00490258 I can guarantee there I can I can uRDlAbu_4m8-01367-00490259-00490590 guarantee that at least 20 years and of uRDlAbu_4m8-01368-00490591-00491058 course when we're longer there would not uRDlAbu_4m8-01369-00491059-00491454 be any significant change it's a good uRDlAbu_4m8-01370-00491455-00491875 way to stabilize so this is Darrin uRDlAbu_4m8-01371-00491876-00492090 actually that has been is done in the uRDlAbu_4m8-01372-00492091-00492729 large scale for example large uRDlAbu_4m8-01373-00492730-00493344 archives may they knew they identified a uRDlAbu_4m8-01374-00493345-00493627 group of material or collections with uRDlAbu_4m8-01375-00493628-00493917 quite a bit of decay so this collection uRDlAbu_4m8-01376-00493918-00494340 will be put at minus 15 or let's say uRDlAbu_4m8-01377-00494341-00494754 close to zero for a night vote and then uRDlAbu_4m8-01378-00494755-00495066 the rest of the collection might be a 25 uRDlAbu_4m8-01379-00495067-00495508 for a night so and this kind of solution uRDlAbu_4m8-01380-00495509-00495885 the idea is the same if you talk about a uRDlAbu_4m8-01381-00495886-00496104 small collection or large collection uRDlAbu_4m8-01382-00496105-00497287 rather clay can your tool account for a uRDlAbu_4m8-01383-00497288-00497533 storage environment that's not stable uRDlAbu_4m8-01384-00497534-00497610 year-round uRDlAbu_4m8-01385-00497610-00498247 [Music] uRDlAbu_4m8-01386-00498247-00498768 a tricky question because actually uRDlAbu_4m8-01387-00498768-00499408 actually the tool here assumed when he uRDlAbu_4m8-01388-00499409-00499942 does a prediction that zoo temperature uRDlAbu_4m8-01389-00499943-00500335 you put in remain at that level now uRDlAbu_4m8-01390-00500335-00500854 there is two saying we know that the uRDlAbu_4m8-01391-00500855-00501070 reality is rarely the case and actually uRDlAbu_4m8-01392-00501071-00501382 now we're there for course saving uRDlAbu_4m8-01393-00501383-00501738 purpose is even an option to sometimes uRDlAbu_4m8-01394-00501739-00502075 let it free create but this is another uRDlAbu_4m8-01395-00502076-00502345 description now in if you doing the uRDlAbu_4m8-01396-00502346-00502780 resource of the web application here you uRDlAbu_4m8-01397-00502781-00503347 will see there is a few tool here which uRDlAbu_4m8-01398-00503347-00503770 is called impact of time out of storage uRDlAbu_4m8-01399-00503771-00504060 of the materials so it's not exactly the uRDlAbu_4m8-01400-00504062-00504372 answer to the question here but this uRDlAbu_4m8-01401-00504373-00504805 table gives you a sense of if you use uRDlAbu_4m8-01402-00504806-00505129 the material that's been actually by uRDlAbu_4m8-01403-00505130-00505414 using it the material will be moved from uRDlAbu_4m8-01404-00505414-00505797 the storage and the amendments that you uRDlAbu_4m8-01405-00505797-00506149 pay for and put in place as a freezer or uRDlAbu_4m8-01406-00506150-00506739 whatever it is to the viewing room maybe uRDlAbu_4m8-01407-00506741-00507189 we could be warmer we could be more you uRDlAbu_4m8-01408-00507191-00507424 meet and so forth so depending on the uRDlAbu_4m8-01409-00507425-00507745 time that a material will do this during uRDlAbu_4m8-01410-00507746-00508143 the year let's say one day to day cetera uRDlAbu_4m8-01411-00508145-00508417 depending on how many times the material uRDlAbu_4m8-01412-00508418-00508675 is required basically it gives you a uRDlAbu_4m8-01413-00508676-00509137 sense after what you lose basically in uRDlAbu_4m8-01414-00509138-00509589 terms of life expectancy you may you uRDlAbu_4m8-01415-00509591-00509788 will see by looking at those data that uRDlAbu_4m8-01416-00509789-00510184 if you have a frozen storage actually uRDlAbu_4m8-01417-00510185-00510559 well let's say you you can expect 200 uRDlAbu_4m8-01418-00510560-00510964 years very quickly actually those 200 uRDlAbu_4m8-01419-00510964-00511230 years will become unload and uRDlAbu_4m8-01420-00511231-00511754 and so forth so there is certainly a uRDlAbu_4m8-01421-00511755-00512121 loss there which is in an urn and you uRDlAbu_4m8-01422-00512122-00512445 can you can come to the conclusion here uRDlAbu_4m8-01423-00512446-00512736 the collection that is Hugh's heavenly uRDlAbu_4m8-01424-00512737-00513183 you can ask yourself is really worse was uRDlAbu_4m8-01425-00513184-00513552 it to to have a freezer if I constantly uRDlAbu_4m8-01426-00513553-00513909 usable materials and this is a question uRDlAbu_4m8-01427-00513910-00514317 that need to be asked at the probability uRDlAbu_4m8-01428-00514318-00514627 or toriel level where you are because uRDlAbu_4m8-01429-00514628-00514884 it's true that you lose relatively uRDlAbu_4m8-01430-00514885-00515720 quickly the benefit of low temperature uRDlAbu_4m8-01431-00515721-00516282 we have four minutes so what are the uRDlAbu_4m8-01432-00516283-00516513 recommendations in case of a power uRDlAbu_4m8-01433-00516514-00516815 outage uRDlAbu_4m8-01434-00516816-00517070 Kristin uRDlAbu_4m8-01435-00517071-00517413 score Sony says I have a film canister uRDlAbu_4m8-01436-00517414-00517686 of high-fidelity recording tape that has uRDlAbu_4m8-01437-00517687-00518081 white dots on it what are those dots and uRDlAbu_4m8-01438-00518082-00518475 finally is it best to digitize before uRDlAbu_4m8-01439-00518476-00518955 freezing since if you were taking things uRDlAbu_4m8-01440-00518956-00519204 in and out of storage that would be more uRDlAbu_4m8-01441-00519205-00519948 damaging to fragile film right when okay uRDlAbu_4m8-01442-00519949-00520362 so the first one is a power outage so if uRDlAbu_4m8-01443-00520363-00520503 you have a freezer you have a power uRDlAbu_4m8-01444-00520504-00520938 outage don't go and open the door to see uRDlAbu_4m8-01445-00520939-00521313 what is happening inside this is what uRDlAbu_4m8-01446-00521314-00521631 maybe you know we are tempted to do uRDlAbu_4m8-01447-00521632-00522183 don't do that a freezer freezer is uRDlAbu_4m8-01448-00522184-00522408 actually a piece of equipment which is uRDlAbu_4m8-01449-00522409-00522789 really really were insulated and it will uRDlAbu_4m8-01450-00522790-00523177 take in some cases 48 hours before uRDlAbu_4m8-01451-00523178-00523578 actually if you have ice inside that it uRDlAbu_4m8-01452-00523579-00523919 will start to melt actually so uRDlAbu_4m8-01453-00523920-00524391 the recommendation here is keep your uRDlAbu_4m8-01454-00524392-00524750 cool and the power outage of course if uRDlAbu_4m8-01455-00524751-00525158 you last for for an extended period of uRDlAbu_4m8-01456-00525159-00525335 time it's a different different story uRDlAbu_4m8-01457-00525336-00525587 but even if you have some ice inside the uRDlAbu_4m8-01458-00525588-00525741 freezer you are supposed to our uRDlAbu_4m8-01459-00525742-00526185 packaging right so the water should not uRDlAbu_4m8-01460-00526186-00526491 actually damage the thing so I would uRDlAbu_4m8-01461-00526492-00526808 start to be worried you know it's after uRDlAbu_4m8-01462-00526809-00527198 after 48 hours there is no power I would uRDlAbu_4m8-01463-00527199-00527441 transfer the materials but it should be uRDlAbu_4m8-01464-00527442-00527756 safe because there is a packaging around uRDlAbu_4m8-01465-00527757-00528289 now okay the tape there's white dots uRDlAbu_4m8-01466-00528290-00528606 again here i look at the sun was a uRDlAbu_4m8-01467-00528607-00528762 picture of the day since the visual uRDlAbu_4m8-01468-00528763-00529262 decay or plasticizer excitation it might uRDlAbu_4m8-01469-00529263-00529795 be something that was something to this uRDlAbu_4m8-01470-00529796-00530216 make sure actually I do know as a pinata uRDlAbu_4m8-01471-00530217-00530846 there I don't know it's probably it's uRDlAbu_4m8-01472-00530847-00531421 probably not not an acetate actually but uRDlAbu_4m8-01473-00531422-00531995 you have in this magnetic nails the uRDlAbu_4m8-01474-00531996-00532397 formulations are quite complex and it's uRDlAbu_4m8-01475-00532398-00532742 difficult to really map what there's an uRDlAbu_4m8-01476-00532743-00533150 early component there is was a cold uRDlAbu_4m8-01477-00533151-00533466 lubricant and the scan also happened uRDlAbu_4m8-01478-00533467-00533777 that it can amiright to the surface it uRDlAbu_4m8-01479-00533778-00534177 can be that certainly that's what the uRDlAbu_4m8-01480-00534178-00534872 people talk about and reading several uRDlAbu_4m8-01481-00534873-00535364 attempt really to to identify to uRDlAbu_4m8-01482-00535365-00535587 identify what kind of table would be uRDlAbu_4m8-01483-00535588-00535839 more at risk than others uRDlAbu_4m8-01484-00535840-00536187 to try to find markers to have a more uRDlAbu_4m8-01485-00536188-00536591 positive approach to take there was some uRDlAbu_4m8-01486-00536592-00536795 some people like bet on delivery and of uRDlAbu_4m8-01487-00536796-00537066 course that you know a few years ago he uRDlAbu_4m8-01488-00537067-00537166 was thinking too uRDlAbu_4m8-01489-00537167-00537466 to develop like like like a database uRDlAbu_4m8-01490-00537467-00537889 really that we could use it to to uRDlAbu_4m8-01491-00537890-00538087 prioritize what we should be doing right uRDlAbu_4m8-01492-00538088-00538702 and but this it is indeed a miracle to uRDlAbu_4m8-01493-00538703-00539926 happen because it's so so yeah so the uRDlAbu_4m8-01494-00539927-00540145 touring and freezing the freezing and uRDlAbu_4m8-01495-00540146-00540414 touring aspect of the materials actually uRDlAbu_4m8-01496-00540415-00540622 this is something that that's being uRDlAbu_4m8-01497-00540623-00540943 tested there so in the 80s when they uRDlAbu_4m8-01498-00540944-00541216 were growing into the space with film uRDlAbu_4m8-01499-00541217-00541585 they saw people by very corporal from uRDlAbu_4m8-01500-00541586-00542130 Kodak 1985 they did extensive testing uRDlAbu_4m8-01501-00542131-00542575 and look at what was happening at at uRDlAbu_4m8-01502-00542576-00543055 Chilton gelatin layer at base level and uRDlAbu_4m8-01503-00543056-00543133 so forth uRDlAbu_4m8-01504-00543134-00543370 and they never really found any uRDlAbu_4m8-01505-00543371-00543751 significant problem with freezing and uRDlAbu_4m8-01506-00543752-00544054 touring even you know repeatedly I mean uRDlAbu_4m8-01507-00544055-00544338 it was very very very extensive a test uRDlAbu_4m8-01508-00544339-00546349 so I don't think it was my pleasure with uRDlAbu_4m8-01509-00546350-00546747 it bite everybody went back in February uRDlAbu_4m8-01510-00546748-00547164 with the thing on quotes and I'll post uRDlAbu_4m8-01511-00547165-00548385 recording in the next few days okay uRDlAbu_4m8-01512-00548386-00548773 thank you thank you uUHerQSRuck-00000-00000194-00000617 you're insecure is not much has changed uUHerQSRuck-00001-00000618-00000853 alex is a thought to that ho over there uUHerQSRuck-00002-00000854-00001025 then you do some pretty far-out uUHerQSRuck-00003-00001026-00001291 Wow rich Joe top three bad of my uUHerQSRuck-00004-00001292-00001675 life uUHerQSRuck-00005-00001676-00002118 [Music] uUHerQSRuck-00006-00002119-00002554 when I met Amina I was bisexual if you uUHerQSRuck-00007-00002555-00002770 will she asked a question she was like uUHerQSRuck-00008-00002771-00002905 you know do you still think about men uUHerQSRuck-00009-00002906-00003370 and up until that point it really didn't uUHerQSRuck-00010-00003371-00003445 hit me uUHerQSRuck-00011-00003446-00003976 and I was just like you know I'm gay it uUHerQSRuck-00012-00003977-00004186 seems like literally like you get hit uUHerQSRuck-00013-00004187-00004381 the truck I couldn't talk to you for uUHerQSRuck-00014-00004382-00004822 like it took like a good year it was a uUHerQSRuck-00015-00004823-00005044 crossroads I mean it was pretty much the uUHerQSRuck-00016-00005045-00005251 end of a life for me coming to the uUHerQSRuck-00017-00005252-00005461 conclusion that you know you're gay it's uUHerQSRuck-00018-00005462-00005575 it's kind of hard uUHerQSRuck-00019-00005576-00005809 um but it's even harder breaking that uUHerQSRuck-00020-00005810-00006423 news to someone my advice to you moving uUHerQSRuck-00021-00006425-00006628 for aid when you're dating there is uUHerQSRuck-00022-00006629-00006870 definitely room for you to be clear with uUHerQSRuck-00023-00006872-00007023 your intentions with that person from uUHerQSRuck-00024-00007025-00007809 the job okay to be on the other side um uUHerQSRuck-00025-00007811-00007933 is not the greatest uUHerQSRuck-00026-00007934-00008109 you don't show signs of something ending uUHerQSRuck-00027-00008111-00008443 so not communicating it can be really uUHerQSRuck-00028-00008444-00008698 abrupt in like feel like what the hell uUHerQSRuck-00029-00008699-00009361 just the best advice I think I uUHerQSRuck-00030-00009362-00009645 personally could give you is allowing uUHerQSRuck-00031-00009646-00010045 them to match you like as far as being a uUHerQSRuck-00032-00010046-00010558 man and so when a lover or boyfriend or uUHerQSRuck-00033-00010559-00010863 boy toy comes into the picture uUHerQSRuck-00034-00010864-00011251 it's still all about Amina and I feel uUHerQSRuck-00035-00011252-00011680 like often someone on the other end like uUHerQSRuck-00036-00011681-00011908 well you know this is great what about uUHerQSRuck-00037-00011909-00012205 me what about you know what I want to do uUHerQSRuck-00038-00012206-00012391 with you what about the plans that I've uUHerQSRuck-00039-00012392-00012769 made for us so I think just allowing you uUHerQSRuck-00040-00012770-00013008 know other people to take some type of uUHerQSRuck-00041-00013009-00013222 responsibility in your life it's not uUHerQSRuck-00042-00013222-00013657 that I don't let people do or show up uUHerQSRuck-00043-00013658-00014041 it's once you don't that's it but you uUHerQSRuck-00044-00014041-00014163 have to admit that you do some pretty uUHerQSRuck-00045-00014165-00014377 far-out well rich Jo uUHerQSRuck-00046-00014378-00014602 well then I don't need someone average uUHerQSRuck-00047-00014603-00015136 maybe start considering other people or uUHerQSRuck-00048-00015137-00015361 keep them into you know your phone uUHerQSRuck-00049-00015362-00015607 execute I'm going to cue it but what if uUHerQSRuck-00050-00015608-00016435 he does it then bye I got anyway well uUHerQSRuck-00051-00016436-00016600 let me see your dating profile it's just uUHerQSRuck-00052-00016601-00016753 a quick little bio and then you start uUHerQSRuck-00053-00016754-00016981 swiping I don't know why you looked up uUHerQSRuck-00054-00016982-00017065 in this picture uUHerQSRuck-00055-00017066-00017215 you really do I feel like a in uUHerQSRuck-00056-00017216-00017437 this first picture I'm sorry really I uUHerQSRuck-00057-00017438-00018046 think on the call come from me bro uUHerQSRuck-00058-00018047-00018241 can eat you don't look like a lover at uUHerQSRuck-00059-00018242-00018568 all this is like oh this man is like uUHerQSRuck-00060-00018569-00018997 about his and he's serious well uUHerQSRuck-00061-00018998-00019240 super serious but I don't see the all uUHerQSRuck-00062-00019241-00019426 someone I have fun with and like laugh uUHerQSRuck-00063-00019427-00019621 with so maybe a picture with a smile uUHerQSRuck-00064-00019622-00019836 there's not one picture on here with his uUHerQSRuck-00065-00019837-00020194 smile I feel like me personally I'm a uUHerQSRuck-00066-00020195-00020362 fun-loving person but that's after uUHerQSRuck-00067-00020363-00020560 getting to know someone right so this is uUHerQSRuck-00068-00020561-00020785 like wall wall wall uUHerQSRuck-00069-00020786-00020923 I don't know everything it looks like uUHerQSRuck-00070-00020924-00021115 just fun about my business but not like uUHerQSRuck-00071-00021116-00021259 oh man I really want to have a good time uUHerQSRuck-00072-00021260-00021412 tonight leg this is the person I need uUHerQSRuck-00073-00021413-00021634 boom sweat break okay so I guess I'll uUHerQSRuck-00074-00021635-00022489 add a smile and I don't think you date uUHerQSRuck-00075-00022490-00022666 people that are on your level in terms uUHerQSRuck-00076-00022667-00022978 of drive and focus for life I could uUHerQSRuck-00077-00022979-00023131 totally see that so my hope is that you uUHerQSRuck-00078-00023132-00023440 find that person that is going hard in uUHerQSRuck-00079-00023441-00023625 the paint like for their their vision uUHerQSRuck-00080-00023626-00023815 for their life just like you are what I uUHerQSRuck-00081-00023816-00024103 want for you to find in a relationship uUHerQSRuck-00082-00024104-00024447 is someone that can challenge you in a uUHerQSRuck-00083-00024448-00024499 good way uUHerQSRuck-00084-00024500-00024754 so I feel like having someone who has uUHerQSRuck-00085-00024755-00025015 more differences to talk about then uUHerQSRuck-00086-00025016-00025488 similarities yeah uUHerQSRuck-00087-00025489-00025847 I learned not that you paint me as this uUHerQSRuck-00088-00025848-00026114 like the stereotypical like I'm seeing a uUHerQSRuck-00089-00026116-00026327 black independent woman no I know you uUHerQSRuck-00090-00026329-00026517 don't paint me like that however I know uUHerQSRuck-00091-00026518-00026751 that there's room to allow someone to be uUHerQSRuck-00092-00026752-00027158 human so I think giving space for uUHerQSRuck-00093-00027160-00027357 someone else to like have their process uUHerQSRuck-00094-00027358-00027677 to and to not cut people off because uUHerQSRuck-00095-00027679-00027867 someone is still in their process and uUHerQSRuck-00096-00027868-00028272 one word patience I found out that you uUHerQSRuck-00097-00028273-00028464 know how you felt about our breakup your uUHerQSRuck-00098-00028464-00028652 thought process of not really knowing uUHerQSRuck-00099-00028654-00028857 what this other person's feeling and uUHerQSRuck-00100-00028858-00029027 then like changes in how to deal with us uUHerQSRuck-00101-00029029-00029181 so what's that word they need to work on uUHerQSRuck-00102-00029182-00029406 I don't know what's that thing cause uUHerQSRuck-00103-00029407-00029833 that thing clear communication uUHerQSRuck-00104-00029835-00030201 communication patience uUHerQSRuck-00105-00030202-00030782 [Music] uUHerQSRuck-00106-00030783-00030989 you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00000-00000086-00000430 hi everyone welcome to the perio uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00001-00000431-00000674 teaching and learning meeting today is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00002-00000675-00001133 Wednesday August 2nd 2017 and I'm one of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00003-00001134-00001499 the facilitators the Neel Kayden from uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00004-00001500-00001729 the aperio foundation and other uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00005-00001730-00002009 facilitators are not here today but uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00006-00002010-00002225 that's a gay that's Trisha and Matt from uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00007-00002226-00002537 University of Virginia um so today the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00008-00002538-00002833 agenda is I pasted the agenda in the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00009-00002834-00003050 chat etherpad so please feel free to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00010-00003051-00003401 sign in I see people are thank you we're uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00011-00003402-00003677 going to have our usual announcements we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00012-00003678-00003913 have a our speaker and Reena Vicky from uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00013-00003914-00004186 Duke University who's going to tell a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00014-00004187-00004490 story about anonymizing grades and then uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00015-00004491-00004724 open it up for discussion if we happen uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00016-00004725-00005099 to have additional time we may there's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00017-00005100-00005252 other possibilities of things we can uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00018-00005253-00005588 discuss but we'll just see how that goes uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00019-00005589-00005945 and we usually sometimes have a have a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00020-00005946-00006220 JIRA that we review for Sakai I don't uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00021-00006221-00006368 say anything posted at the moment if uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00022-00006369-00006511 someone you wanted to volunteer that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00023-00006512-00006701 that would be fine but I think we'll uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00024-00006702-00006923 just go through the agenda and we'll uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00025-00006923-00007220 start off by seeing if anyone has uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00026-00007220-00007376 announcements and I'll just uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00027-00007377-00007570 I'm curious well if you want to make a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00028-00007572-00007867 pitch for the Sakai virtual conference uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00029-00007868-00008146 committee sure yeah we're actually uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00030-00008147-00008423 having a meeting right after this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00031-00008424-00008816 meeting at 11 o'clock in room 3 so if uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00032-00008817-00009095 anybody is interested in participating uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00033-00009096-00009308 as part of the planning committee we've uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00034-00009309-00009614 just recently formed last last meeting uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00035-00009615-00009871 with our first meeting and so we're uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00036-00009872-00010067 really just getting started it's still a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00037-00010068-00010226 great time to pitch in if you're uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00038-00010227-00010492 interested and should be a lot of fun uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00039-00010493-00010703 we'll be putting together the logistics uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00040-00010704-00010892 for the virtual conference that we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00041-00010893-00011231 usually hold in the in the fall November uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00042-00011232-00011549 ish timeframe so um so that's at 11:00 uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00043-00011550-00012010 today and then also on Friday this week uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00044-00012011-00012460 at 10 o'clock Eastern in bigbluebutton uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00045-00012461-00012851 we're having a meeting for the Sakai 12 uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00046-00012852-00013115 help documentation so if you're uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00047-00013116-00013241 interested in uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00048-00013243-00013703 learning more about the update for Sakai uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00049-00013704-00013994 help Docs for version 12 we do need uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00050-00013995-00014255 volunteers so anybody that has maybe an uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00051-00014256-00014522 interest in helping document some of the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00052-00014523-00014756 new features update the existing Docs uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00053-00014757-00015008 it's a great way to learn about the new uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00054-00015009-00015236 stuff in 12 because you'll be going uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00055-00015237-00015516 through it kind of it and we tend to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00056-00015516-00015855 break it up sort of by tool so if you're uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00057-00015856-00016022 interested in helping to document a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00058-00016023-00016283 particular tool like lessons or uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00059-00016284-00016484 resources or something uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00060-00016485-00016739 so we're just going to kind of go over uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00061-00016740-00017108 the process what's involved time uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00062-00017109-00017362 commitment all that kind of stuff so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00063-00017363-00017547 showing up to a meeting doesn't uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00064-00017548-00017687 necessarily mean that you're committing uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00065-00017688-00017822 yourself but you can find out more uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00066-00017823-00018000 information and see how to get involved uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00067-00018001-00018203 if you're interested but we do uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00068-00018204-00018378 definitely need some volunteers and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00069-00018379-00018764 we're going to be probably updating the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00070-00018765-00018999 the 12 documentation very soon because uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00071-00019000-00019145 we've kind of been waiting for code uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00072-00019146-00019390 freeze before we start doing a lot of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00073-00019391-00019697 the checking through the existing uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00074-00019698-00019928 documents but once that happens which uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00075-00019929-00020208 should happen very shortly then it'll be uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00076-00020209-00020364 a little more stable environment to work uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00077-00020365-00020705 in so anyway that's Friday at 10 a.m. uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00078-00020706-00020939 awesome bigbluebutton and we're in room uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00079-00020940-00021971 3 for the help Docs meeting thanks Wilma uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00080-00021972-00022258 so let's see does anyone else have any uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00081-00022259-00022493 announcements before I go through my uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00082-00022494-00023333 list okay so if you do just just speak uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00083-00023334-00023624 up or put something in the chat I just uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00084-00023625-00023717 want to mention that we do have a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00085-00023718-00023894 conference call page for this call and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00086-00023895-00024102 we do have recordings of these meetings uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00087-00024103-00024255 listed they're actually on YouTube but I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00088-00024256-00024368 just thought it would be good to share uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00089-00024369-00024587 the link with kind of the homepage for uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00090-00024588-00024764 all the information about these calls uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00091-00024765-00025089 and when they occur and who is scheduled uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00092-00025090-00025334 to speak who's already spoken and links uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00093-00025335-00025546 to those YouTube recordings which are uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00094-00025547-00025806 available as well just directly on uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00095-00025807-00026162 YouTube in the aperio in the aperio area uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00096-00026163-00026614 of youtube and there's even a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00097-00026614-00027052 we call a playlist for the videos so but uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00098-00027052-00027327 I'd mentioned that so a few things a kya uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00099-00027329-00027687 camp we're getting close to reserving in uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00100-00027688-00027927 hotel for that January 21st to 24th in uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00101-00027929-00028201 Orlando that's a sort of unconference uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00102-00028202-00028558 style Sakai planning meeting we this is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00103-00028558-00028681 the third year in a row we've had a lot uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00104-00028682-00028833 of fun at the last two and really uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00105-00028835-00029056 productive you know great work sessions uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00106-00029057-00029281 both technical and non-technical people uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00107-00029282-00029479 a lot of interesting ideas have sprung uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00108-00029480-00029895 out of those of those meetings like you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00109-00029897-00030270 know revived QA energy Sakai marketing uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00110-00030272-00030489 which is grassroots marketing from the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00111-00030491-00030718 community which is commanding very uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00112-00030719-00030985 challenging that's where it was pitched uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00113-00030986-00031252 to Sakai inventory idea that Joe Lee's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00114-00031252-00031545 leading came out of that so just a lot uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00115-00031547-00031662 of really good stuff like it's a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00116-00031663-00031831 technical and non-technical discussion uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00117-00031832-00032040 it's usually around 20 ish people and we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00118-00032041-00032269 also do fun stuff too uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00119-00032270-00032443 there's this Akai Camp light which I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00120-00032444-00032602 haven't announced yet to the community uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00121-00032602-00032839 so she's breaking news this came out of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00122-00032840-00033202 a couple discussions among several folks uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00123-00033203-00033436 both at lamp camp which the lamp uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00124-00033437-00033699 consortium consortium of Sakai uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00125-00033700-00033898 universities that share an instance of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00126-00033899-00034198 Sakai hosted by long side and there were uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00127-00034199-00034300 some of us there that had this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00128-00034301-00034432 discussion and then that came up with uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00129-00034433-00034600 the core team meeting yesterday uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00130-00034601-00034971 development team meeting and the way uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00131-00034972-00035176 it's and so I think Chuck severance is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00132-00035177-00035461 going to be there Matt Jones prominent uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00133-00035462-00035620 developer or in Sakai is going to be uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00134-00035621-00035940 there of course we have you know Jo lady uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00135-00035941-00036196 is in Duke and I'm here in Durham so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00136-00036197-00036462 we've got already a good start and it's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00137-00036463-00036694 just a one-day get-together some folks uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00138-00036695-00036850 are coming in for the all things open uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00139-00036851-00037033 conference which is in Raleigh it's not uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00140-00037034-00037207 related to Sakai is just about open uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00141-00037208-00037396 source I put a link there if you're uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00142-00037397-00037602 interested in all things open and then uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00143-00037603-00037810 that's Monday and Tuesday then Wednesday uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00144-00037811-00037989 October 25th we'll just have a one day uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00145-00037990-00038215 you know meeting to discuss whatever uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00146-00038216-00038452 comes up so just a one-day get-together uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00147-00038453-00038605 that's why I'm calling it to kind of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00148-00038606-00038821 camp light it's not you know like a full uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00149-00038822-00039031 Sakai camp experience but we've usually uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00150-00039032-00039336 found that we get several of us together uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00151-00039337-00039567 that we have some really you know uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00152-00039568-00039802 helpful and robust discussions around uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00153-00039803-00039948 different topics uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00154-00039949-00040349 so something to consider and want to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00155-00040350-00040502 mention also that we're trying to get a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00156-00040503-00040743 presence at Eli which is the education uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00157-00040744-00041064 learning initiative several of us went uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00158-00041065-00041343 last year my several post are planning uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00159-00041344-00041532 going back at least several of us this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00160-00041533-00041705 year there's some there's actually a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00161-00041706-00041868 cool presentation that lowered hecklers uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00162-00041869-00042126 working on for a panel discussion on ng uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00163-00042127-00042296 D le so she's putting in a proposal I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00164-00042297-00042489 think she's already got three different uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00165-00042490-00042732 women from the from the Imperial uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00166-00042733-00043002 community I imagine she's still open to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00167-00043003-00043185 having one or two more on that panel so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00168-00043186-00043343 if you're interested in that you know uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00169-00043344-00043470 talk to her and find out what that's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00170-00043471-00043952 about so that's kind of different events uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00171-00043953-00044324 that are happening so Chi 12 so yeah as uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00172-00044325-00044448 what we mentioned we are getting great uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00173-00044449-00044682 close to creating what we call a branch uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00174-00044683-00044837 of Sakai 12 that's when we get really uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00175-00044838-00045074 serious when features are frozen and we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00176-00045075-00045279 start getting into an more intensive QA uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00177-00045280-00045642 effort our deadline was July 31st which uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00178-00045643-00045852 passed this Monday and we are figuring uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00179-00045853-00046086 that it's going to be another one one uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00180-00046087-00046371 and a half weeks or so plus or minus a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00181-00046372-00046640 couple days to get ready for a branch so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00182-00046641-00046854 I may put that announcement out there uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00183-00046855-00047106 hopefully everyone's odd also mentioned uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00184-00047107-00047262 that the rubrics feature which is still uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00185-00047263-00047421 we're still planning on getting that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00186-00047422-00047631 done it just is take it's going to take uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00187-00047632-00047907 more work than the time we have to get uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00188-00047908-00048057 it into twelve and we really want to get uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00189-00048058-00048289 12 out so rubrics is not going to be uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00190-00048290-00048590 featured in 12 but it will be a feature uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00191-00048591-00048914 you know probably before summer of next uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00192-00048915-00049202 year of 2018 it'll get in there but we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00193-00049203-00049343 still have a really compelling story a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00194-00049344-00049776 lot of cool stuff in 12 and also 12 uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00195-00049777-00050120 related DD hurricane at Marist College uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00196-00050121-00050457 in Poughkeepsie has volunteered to kick uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00197-00050458-00050771 off a ky 12 planning meeting a small uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00198-00050772-00050918 group of us are going up to Marist uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00199-00050919-00051060 College in Poughkeepsie uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00200-00051061-00051288 next Thursday we realize a lot of folks uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00201-00051289-00051474 aren't able to travel to that so we will uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00202-00051475-00051699 have a virtual online component for uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00203-00051700-00051896 those of you and we're hoping a number uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00204-00051897-00052062 of you will want to help learn about uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00205-00052063-00052313 Sakai QA or figure out how you can uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00206-00052314-00052536 provide your ideas of how we can improve uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00207-00052537-00052742 the Sakai QA process either for uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00208-00052744-00053093 onboarding new members or you know just uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00209-00053094-00053265 improve the way we do testing is the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00210-00053266-00053349 ongoing uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00211-00053350-00053622 challenged but usually we have a lot of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00212-00053623-00053879 fun and find a way to make it happen uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00213-00053880-00054075 QA is a really really critical component uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00214-00054076-00054324 of getting releases out both in terms of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00215-00054325-00054483 the timeline and obviously the quality uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00216-00054484-00054842 of the release and let's see is Tiffany uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00217-00054844-00055035 on she's not on but I believe when we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00218-00055036-00055503 check the calendar Tiffany from uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00219-00055504-00055867 University of Virginia has started doing uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00220-00055869-00056325 Sam ago test and quiz juror triage which uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00221-00056326-00056694 is going through existing jiriz that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00222-00056695-00057159 relate to Sam ago bugs sometimes uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00223-00057160-00057476 features and figuring out you know is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00224-00057477-00057708 complete enough information on the JIRA uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00225-00057709-00057879 is the priority correct uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00226-00057879-00058047 is this a juror that we want to put uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00227-00058048-00058191 community energy into so just having uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00228-00058191-00058355 general discussions around that so I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00229-00058357-00058503 really appreciate that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00230-00058504-00058824 community member taking up taking up the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00231-00058825-00059135 mantle there to focus specifically on on uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00232-00059136-00059397 on tests and quizzes because it's a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00233-00059398-00059717 that's a important area so those are all uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00234-00059719-00059835 my announcement does anyone have any uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00235-00059836-00060135 questions or additional thoughts before uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00236-00060136-00060996 we move on uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00237-00060997-00061250 okay no questions I'd like to introduce uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00238-00061251-00061550 Andrea neva key from Duke University to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00239-00061551-00061736 talk about anonymizing grades in Sakai uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00240-00061737-00062160 Andrea hello everyone I hope everyone uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00241-00062161-00062628 can hear me so I am a my official title uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00242-00062629-00062879 as academic technology consultant and I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00243-00062880-00063080 talked to faculty in the sciences about uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00244-00063081-00063287 their teaching and I had a conversation uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00245-00063288-00063563 a number of months ago that I wanted to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00246-00063564-00064013 bring to this community a faculty member uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00247-00064014-00064256 in biology while I was teaching the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00248-00064257-00064629 class and he had like probably many of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00249-00064629-00064904 you have had conversations about uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00250-00064905-00065162 implicit bias and bias in the classroom uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00251-00065163-00065403 and in various issues like that and he uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00252-00065404-00065823 was concerned about how he was seeing uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00253-00065824-00066147 his students through his own biases so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00254-00066148-00066500 what he did in this particular class is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00255-00066501-00066771 all of the tests which were done on uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00256-00066772-00067074 paper he had the students write their uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00257-00067075-00067341 student ID number instead of their name uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00258-00067342-00067785 on the paper so that when he and his th uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00259-00067786-00068040 and he had several TAS were grading the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00260-00068041-00068292 test they didn't know which student it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00261-00068293-00068504 came from they could see the student ID uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00262-00068505-00068724 but they didn't but because it's a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00263-00068725-00068936 number it's not like a particular uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00264-00068937-00069329 student in their mind and he did this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00265-00069330-00069528 for several exams he said it worked uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00266-00069529-00069761 really well he said the TA has liked it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00267-00069762-00069915 and he said the students really uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00268-00069916-00070217 appreciated it that is that they were uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00269-00070218-00070487 pretty clear on that she wasn't biased uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00270-00070488-00070797 when grading the test and then he asked uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00271-00070798-00071231 me how comes Sakai can't do this so we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00272-00071232-00071511 know that tests and quizzes that there uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00273-00071512-00071916 is a way to anonymize it when when uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00274-00071917-00072066 you're giving when you're grading a test uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00275-00072067-00072471 but what he was curious about is what if uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00276-00072472-00072719 the whole grade book was anonymized what uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00277-00072720-00072956 if it brought in instead of student uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00278-00072957-00073236 names or student IDs it brought in the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00279-00073237-00073499 student ID number into the grade book uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00280-00073500-00073832 and you have the option to or maybe that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00281-00073833-00074087 was the default just seeing the numbers uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00282-00074088-00074337 and the student grades go uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00283-00074338-00074511 through tests and quizzes through uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00284-00074512-00074961 assignments possibly through forums in uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00285-00074962-00075213 other ways so that all the instructor uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00286-00075214-00075546 could see were student ID numbers and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00287-00075547-00076092 then the grades and the idea is to avoid uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00288-00076093-00076611 bias of course there would have has to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00289-00076612-00076911 be some way of unmasking for individual uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00290-00076912-00077226 students because a good practice of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00291-00077227-00077472 course would be for students who were uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00292-00077473-00077661 doing core trait to have the instructor uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00293-00077662-00077835 reach out to them so you want to be able uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00294-00077836-00078222 to do that but if there was a way to use uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00295-00078223-00078603 student ID numbers for most of grading uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00296-00078604-00078947 and for most of the accumulating of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00297-00078948-00079197 various things that are graded that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00298-00079198-00079607 would send a message to the students uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00299-00079608-00079854 that they may appreciate having that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00300-00079855-00080051 option available would also be a good uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00301-00080052-00080250 way of communicating to faculty that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00302-00080251-00080412 there is wires for those who haven't uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00303-00080413-00080940 been to all the workshops so I wanted to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00304-00080941-00081150 bring that particular idea to the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00305-00081151-00081318 community and I'd be interested to hear uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00306-00081319-00082315 what you have to say uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00307-00082316-00082537 if I may this is Charles Bristow from uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00308-00082538-00082861 Illinois State University can you hear uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00309-00082862-00083119 me all right definitely uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00310-00083120-00083473 okay um to be honest I'm not sure I see uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00311-00083474-00083841 the utility in anonymizing the gradebook uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00312-00083842-00084094 because I tend to think of that as uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00313-00084095-00084385 primarily I'm just entering grades in uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00314-00084386-00084618 the gradebook I'm not actually grading uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00315-00084619-00084981 when I'm when I'm putting the numbers in uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00316-00084982-00085300 so I'm not sure that anonymizing the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00317-00085301-00085557 gradebook actually gives you anything in uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00318-00085558-00085882 that kind of area I like the idea of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00319-00085883-00086053 anonymizing grading that's certainly uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00320-00086054-00086281 great and finding ways to build that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00321-00086282-00086554 into the tools where we're actually uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00322-00086555-00086956 doing grading I think makes lots of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00323-00086957-00087292 sense but I'm not so sure about actually uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00324-00087293-00087499 anonymizing in the gradebook because uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00325-00087500-00087715 most instructors want to be able to see uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00326-00087716-00087969 how individual students are doing and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00327-00087970-00088318 looking for patterns or looking for you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00328-00088319-00088573 know places where wait this person isn't uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00329-00088574-00088881 doing very well maybe I need to have uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00330-00088882-00089050 some kind of intervention if a gradebook uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00331-00089051-00089236 is anonymous I can't tell who those uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00332-00089237-00089851 students are well thank you for your uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00333-00089852-00090262 comments and I sticker point and I think uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00334-00090263-00090454 that you're you're certainly making a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00335-00090455-00090688 valid point that the gradebook may be uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00336-00090689-00090915 the last place you need to be anonymized uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00337-00090916-00091261 however I would say counter to that I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00338-00091262-00091573 have to two points which I think are uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00339-00091574-00091759 minor in the big-scale but I just want uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00340-00091760-00092122 to mention them and one is that it could uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00341-00092123-00092374 be that you're looking at grades in the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00342-00092375-00092596 gradebook and you say huh I'm pretty uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00343-00092597-00092761 sure that student would do better and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00344-00092762-00093016 there may be some participation points uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00345-00093017-00093357 or some way to look back at things and I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00346-00093358-00093850 know that some of us may do that so it's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00347-00093851-00094174 a way of getting around what is a human uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00348-00094175-00094632 practice the other thing is that I think uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00349-00094633-00094912 that it would you're right that we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00350-00094913-00095092 should be able to reach out to students uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00351-00095093-00095309 who are doing poorly and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00352-00095310-00095486 for that reason I think we should have uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00353-00095487-00095723 the ability built-in to say okay for uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00354-00095724-00095930 this student I want to see who it is so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00355-00095931-00096167 I can email them and ask them to come uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00356-00096168-00097301 and talk to me and items Joely I'm just uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00357-00097302-00097487 going to comment you know type in here uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00358-00097488-00097739 because I my impression of what Andrea uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00359-00097740-00097961 was asking for too is that you should uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00360-00097962-00098171 have the option certainly a faculty uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00361-00098172-00098351 could say I don't want to see I want to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00362-00098352-00098579 see these other tools anonymously but I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00363-00098580-00098750 you know but I don't want to do this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00364-00098751-00098933 with it on is it'd be nice to have you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00365-00098934-00099119 know those kind of controls at the tool uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00366-00099120-00099482 level you know to say here's what I want uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00367-00099483-00099671 to be anonymous and maybe here's what I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00368-00099672-00099866 don't or just a toggle within the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00369-00099867-00100058 gradebook to say when you want to see uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00370-00100059-00100298 like at the end I mean obviously you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00371-00100299-00100553 have to submit your grades and you know uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00372-00100554-00100775 and you know probably depending on if uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00373-00100776-00100934 you have some kind of integration with uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00374-00100935-00101081 your with your student information uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00375-00101082-00101273 system it may be using those numbers uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00376-00101274-00101524 anyway and we'll be able to match uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00377-00101525-00101813 students up so even at that point you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00378-00101814-00102203 might not need to to see but you would uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00379-00102204-00102377 definitely want to have that control of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00380-00102378-00102605 whether or not what when you see it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00381-00102606-00102869 anonymous and when you go in and so it's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00382-00102870-00103202 not sort of an all-or-nothing thing yes uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00383-00103203-00103528 I'd like to back up what Julie just said uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00384-00103529-00103979 which is that that the faculty members uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00385-00103980-00104255 should be able to override or maybe have uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00386-00104256-00104432 the default be that it's not a nun uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00387-00104433-00104666 although I think there may be something uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00388-00104667-00104954 to be said for having it be initially uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00389-00104955-00105149 anonymous and they have and a faculty uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00390-00105150-00105377 member has to change it so that they can uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00391-00105378-00105677 see the name but I would like to see if uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00392-00105678-00105944 if this was in fact an interesting idea uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00393-00105945-00106135 for people I think it would be useful if uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00394-00106136-00106505 you could nun anonymize an individual uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00395-00106506-00106799 name or all the greats as as an option uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00396-00106800-00107189 and it looks like we have a couple of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00397-00107190-00107344 comments yes uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00398-00107345-00107615 so Terry said interesting thought but uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00399-00107616-00107777 how would you be able to encourage uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00400-00107778-00108332 students in a learning community Carrie uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00401-00108333-00108524 I'm not sure I understand your uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00402-00108525-00108953 okay yeah okay I get one of one of the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00403-00108954-00109166 goals of getting students engaged in a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00404-00109167-00109490 courses in building community and if you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00405-00109491-00109783 anonymize things especially if it's like uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00406-00109784-00110249 a global thing they they get to know one uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00407-00110250-00110444 two three four five six and not Joe uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00408-00110445-00110918 Jones or Mary Smith or whatever apart uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00409-00110919-00111428 part of the idea that a lot of people uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00410-00111429-00111736 have of online learning is this you know uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00411-00111738-00112001 you're you're off in your little cubby uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00412-00112002-00112258 here and you're anonymous and you don't uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00413-00112259-00112463 have the social contact and social uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00414-00112464-00112658 engagement with the people that you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00415-00112658-00112868 should be learning with which is poor uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00416-00112869-00113240 learning theory and and in order to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00417-00113241-00113434 build community you have to be willing uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00418-00113435-00113708 to engage people and begin to know them uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00419-00113708-00113972 and share ideas and get back and forth uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00420-00113973-00114170 and all this kind of thing but to do uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00421-00114171-00114389 that with one two three four five six is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00422-00114390-00114590 a whole lot different experience than uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00423-00114591-00115222 doing it with Andrea and Jolie I am uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00424-00115223-00115693 really leery about the idea of a global uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00425-00115694-00116045 anonymization there should be the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00426-00116046-00116456 ability to have forums or wiki or the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00427-00116457-00116654 student pages or whatever so that you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00428-00116655-00116983 begin to know that the kind of things uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00429-00116984-00117197 that that neo might come up with when uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00430-00117198-00117401 he's talking or that you know whatever uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00431-00117402-00117743 and and I think that's an important uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00432-00117744-00117983 component of successful learning that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00433-00117983-00118202 gets lost when you try to forget who uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00434-00118203-00119024 everybody is Harry I think I think uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00435-00119025-00119310 you've made an excellent point and I was uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00436-00119311-00119611 a little bit blindly perhaps thinking uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00437-00119613-00119908 about this for face-to-face classes I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00438-00119909-00120068 hadn't thought about the implications uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00439-00120069-00120409 about using it for purely online classes uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00440-00120410-00120542 and I think you're right and I think uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00441-00120543-00120916 that's why I would not advocate for uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00442-00120917-00121181 always having anonymized grading that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00443-00121182-00121358 you would have the option to turn it off uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00444-00121358-00121836 I look like Linda has a question as well uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00445-00121838-00122200 on Oh because I really sorry the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00446-00122201-00122409 Chattanooga plow was reading Adamas uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00447-00122410-00122605 grading is required by the American Bar uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00448-00122606-00122827 Association for our law school classes I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00449-00122828-00123159 think it is to remove any bias towards uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00450-00123160-00123360 just and grading and involves Tia uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00451-00123361-00123411 grading uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00452-00123413-00123946 okay cool so how does that work how does uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00453-00123947-00124879 it work how do you how do you do that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00454-00124880-00125053 Linda how do you accomplish that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00455-00125054-00125353 it looks like Linda is on listen-only uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00456-00125354-00125610 mode so she might have need time to type uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00457-00125611-00125857 in the chat Linda if you want to call in uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00458-00125858-00126135 I'll paste the phone number if you feel uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00459-00126136-00126481 like I doing that let's say so here's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00460-00126482-00126613 the phone number if you want to call in uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00461-00126614-00126769 and explain it much you're just typing uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00462-00126770-00127086 away if you're really there Wow Roland uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00463-00127088-00127282 is responding I noticed that my calls uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00464-00127283-00127480 are after you envision a toggle at the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00465-00127481-00127651 level of the gradebook item that swaps uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00466-00127652-00127840 the user name something like that yeah uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00467-00127841-00128020 actually I don't uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00468-00128021-00128323 okay I'm not thinking about it as a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00469-00128324-00128545 gradebook item level I was thinking of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00470-00128546-00128866 it as at the gradebook individual love uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00471-00128867-00129118 yes that's what I said I misread his uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00472-00129119-00129445 statement yet and I was thinking that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00473-00129446-00129844 and in the one possibility would be that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00474-00129845-00130066 the default would be anonymous and then uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00475-00130067-00130228 you would then it would toggle to the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00476-00130229-00130696 username for an individual or if you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00477-00130697-00130915 needed to help the whole grades because uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00478-00130916-00131068 the toggle also be for the entire uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00479-00131069-00131890 gradebook or for the entire site are you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00480-00131891-00132142 also talking about courses that have uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00481-00132143-00132391 large numbers of students in them if you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00482-00132392-00132601 have a course that has fewer than ten uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00483-00132602-00132745 students I don't think you're going to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00484-00132746-00132984 be able to say totally anonymous and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00485-00132985-00133219 again I come back to the social uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00486-00133220-00133471 component when you're talking about uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00487-00133472-00133756 smaller seminar type courses or online uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00488-00133757-00133954 courses that are under ten or fifteen uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00489-00133955-00134461 people that's I'm not I'm not real sure uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00490-00134462-00134617 that you want to set the default there uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00491-00134618-00134770 because there are a lot of courses that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00492-00134771-00135217 fit that model and it could be just a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00493-00135218-00135463 major annoyance for some faculty who uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00494-00135464-00135634 have to go in and turn on all those uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00495-00135635-00136123 names well I'm thinking that there would uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00496-00136124-00136387 be once with that you could turn on the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00497-00136388-00136615 individual names or you could just do uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00498-00136616-00136888 one setting that says make this course uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00499-00136889-00137302 not anonymous but I think you're right uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00500-00137303-00137542 about half of the online courses so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00501-00137543-00137764 that's not really what I'm talking about uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00502-00137765-00137923 I'm talking about the ones that are uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00503-00137924-00138214 mostly face to face many of our faculty uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00504-00138215-00138411 who teach face-to-face classes uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00505-00138412-00138649 especially learn to teach large classes uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00506-00138650-00138928 the only thing they use Sakai for is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00507-00138929-00139288 grading they may do tests and quizzes uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00508-00139289-00139510 online they may not but they basically uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00509-00139511-00140566 use it for grading I don't know if that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00510-00140567-00140851 justifies a decision a global decision uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00511-00140852-00141427 though well I think that's why we're uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00512-00141428-00141771 having this conversation I understand I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00513-00141772-00142399 really wanted other people's input so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00514-00142400-00143053 very good point I'm we're now reading uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00515-00143054-00143386 with this comment yeah I'll read it out uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00516-00143387-00143536 loud because that way I'll get on the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00517-00143537-00143770 recording so I'll just read it currently uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00518-00143771-00144034 Linda Beth writes currently we can't use uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00519-00144035-00144217 it because the law school assigns a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00520-00144218-00144457 single numeric identifier to each uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00521-00144458-00144661 student at the beginning of the year and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00522-00144662-00144901 all work is submitted using that numeric uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00523-00144902-00145210 ID in Sakai you can choose anonymous and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00524-00145211-00145483 test but the system assigns a different uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00525-00145484-00145693 numeric identifier for each exam and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00526-00145694-00145921 doesn't allow for imposing a static uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00527-00145922-00146170 number for each student that's exactly uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00528-00146171-00146191 right uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00529-00146192-00146995 ah so that's another good yeah I think uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00530-00146996-00147220 another issue though that I've run into uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00531-00147221-00147508 when it comes to using a student ID uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00532-00147509-00147871 number early on in lamp we wanted to use uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00533-00147872-00148132 student ID numbers as sign in you know uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00534-00148133-00148393 instead of an email address and that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00535-00148394-00148561 came up to some FERPA is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00536-00148562-00148926 and the student ID member is not uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00537-00148927-00149119 supposed to be broadly publicized uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00538-00149120-00149682 because it's considered a privacy issue uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00539-00149683-00150007 so that's yeah it's not supposed to be uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00540-00150008-00150157 out there so you would need to come up uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00541-00150158-00150303 with a different identifier than a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00542-00150304-00150658 student ID number because if somebody uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00543-00150659-00150835 gets access to your student ID number uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00544-00150836-00151246 they can theoretically at least get into uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00545-00151247-00151539 your your billing information and your uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00546-00151540-00151728 grades and all is kind of it's supposed uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00547-00151729-00151953 to be a unique identifier for privacy uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00548-00151954-00152269 reasons interesting we have two uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00549-00152270-00152569 different numbers here at Duke but I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00550-00152570-00153231 would imagine any kind of unique I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00551-00153232-00153538 didn't assign to you regardless of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00552-00153539-00153718 whether it's your net equity we have a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00553-00153719-00153978 net ID we have a Duke it and Duke unique uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00554-00153979-00154152 ID which is just a number and then uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00555-00154153-00154435 students also have a student number so I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00556-00154436-00154735 think there's there's maybe three and I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00557-00154736-00154933 would assume that any of those that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00558-00154934-00155134 uniquely identify you could be used uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00559-00155135-00155891 against you so now so yeah so I mean uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00560-00155892-00156129 it's hard to see a way around around uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00561-00156130-00156714 that right unless you only display to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00562-00156715-00157428 students it's just a name right and so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00563-00157429-00157570 you know what students see and what uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00564-00157571-00157723 faculty see could be two different uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00565-00157724-00157950 things because faculty will need to see uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00566-00157951-00158376 more than students just to be sure that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00567-00158377-00158587 if they have to Jane goes in their class uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00568-00158588-00158812 that they make sure that each one gets uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00569-00158813-00158979 the correct grade because there's a way uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00570-00158980-00159884 to legally identify those two people uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00571-00159885-00160082 yeah the idea of privacy it's kind of is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00572-00160083-00160289 kind of interesting in the whole process uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00573-00160290-00160556 as well we had a kind of a funny side uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00574-00160557-00160700 countess's neha we had a funny side uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00575-00160701-00161011 conversation at lamp where dr. Chuck uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00576-00161012-00161285 severance was saying biometrics are a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00577-00161286-00161600 complete waste because once somebody has uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00578-00161601-00161810 your thumbprint recorded digitally or uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00579-00161811-00162026 your eye retinal scan they can just use uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00580-00162027-00162227 that over and over again there's no you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00581-00162228-00162398 know actually passwords which are hashed uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00582-00162399-00162698 and encrypted more secure so it's a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00583-00162699-00163147 totally tangential discussion but yeah uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00584-00163148-00163424 but it's also this carry a lot of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00585-00163425-00163855 unintended consequences do you know like uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00586-00163856-00164189 yeah you think you're simplifying things uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00587-00164190-00164345 and it ends up being much more uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00588-00164346-00165305 complicated down there down the road so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00589-00165306-00165773 I'm curious and Andrea if how is I I'm uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00590-00165774-00165971 really inspired that the faculty member uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00591-00165972-00166325 was taking that much care to try and be uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00592-00166326-00166499 as fair as possible with the students I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00593-00166500-00166700 think that's really really cool I'm uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00594-00166701-00166910 curious if you've had other faculty also uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00595-00166911-00167150 expressing a similar type of interest or uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00596-00167151-00167395 just the first one you've come across I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00597-00167396-00167660 know this is the first one I had come uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00598-00167661-00168008 across uh but my faculty tend to go uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00599-00168009-00168314 often do because I work with scientists uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00600-00168315-00168506 scientists and engineers they tend to go uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00601-00168507-00168695 off and do all kinds of things that I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00602-00168696-00169007 could find out about later so it's I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00603-00169008-00169337 don't really know and I wonder for him I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00604-00169338-00169565 did not ask him but I wonder for him if uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00605-00169566-00169781 he was concerned mostly about his TAS uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00606-00169782-00170111 grading the tests and not really himself uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00607-00170112-00170464 so I'm not really sure where the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00608-00170465-00170893 observation idea came from and certainly uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00609-00170894-00171182 because TAS are very often this is their uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00610-00171183-00171358 first time teaching they're just out of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00611-00171359-00171626 undergraduate school near each grading uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00612-00171627-00172169 and exam it's hard to train them all at uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00613-00172170-00172577 once to be fair this is it's hard to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00614-00172578-00174720 train all of us to feature humans uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00615-00174721-00174879 so that we miss any comments or do we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00616-00174880-00175044 get everyone does anyone have any uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00617-00175045-00175236 additional comments or thoughts I'm uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00618-00175237-00175479 curious I guess just if you could very uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00619-00175480-00175796 quickly like in the chat if you are uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00620-00175797-00176031 interested in further pursuing the idea uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00621-00176032-00176157 maybe put a +1 uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00622-00176158-00176337 not that you're absolutely in favor but uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00623-00176338-00176424 just like yeah you want to keep uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00624-00176425-00176637 exploring if you're kind of neutral uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00625-00176638-00176847 maybe do a zero and if you think it's a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00626-00176848-00177084 bad idea maybe a minus one just to get a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00627-00177085-00177267 poll like a sense of where the group is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00628-00177268-00178768 that's on the call uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00629-00178769-00180418 yeah you can right that's funny Terry uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00630-00180419-00180699 so Neil I don't know if this is helpful uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00631-00180700-00180907 but you know just even having this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00632-00180908-00181189 conversation we revealed that another uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00633-00181190-00181393 school was doing this and doesn't have a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00634-00181394-00181696 good way to do it and I know that we've uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00635-00181697-00182076 had conversations fairly recently about uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00636-00182077-00182362 anonymizing in the gradebook I think uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00637-00182363-00182587 maybe that's related to something Notre uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00638-00182588-00182875 Dame's working on I think and then you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00639-00182876-00182986 know we already have these sort of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00640-00182987-00183286 anonymous pieces in tests and quizzes uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00641-00183287-00183586 and forums would it be helpful to create uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00642-00183587-00183889 a confluence page about this and let uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00643-00183890-00184021 people know that it's out there if they uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00644-00184022-00184192 wanted to comment on it just to kind of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00645-00184193-00184360 raise the visibility of this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00646-00184361-00184567 conversation to see if other people are uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00647-00184568-00185026 doing this and just it hasn't come up so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00648-00185027-00185359 my so my initial thinking is and so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00649-00185360-00185533 noticing more things coming in there uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00650-00185534-00185713 cool uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00651-00185714-00185869 my initial thinking Jolie is if that's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00652-00185870-00186055 what you want to do just do it I tend uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00653-00186056-00186313 not to want to be like the gatekeeper uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00654-00186314-00186625 for discussions I don't know how much uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00655-00186626-00186760 interests you would get and the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00656-00186761-00186916 confluence page but I don't know that it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00657-00186917-00187183 would hurt so yeah I mean if that's what uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00658-00187184-00187333 you want to try and do and see how that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00659-00187334-00187486 works out that would be totally cool I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00660-00187487-00187636 where I thought you were going with that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00661-00187637-00187927 as kind of reaching out to people you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00662-00187928-00188080 know of that seem like they're uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00663-00188081-00188296 interested in this topic and kind of get uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00664-00188297-00188560 together to discuss with them you know uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00665-00188561-00188791 where that might go if anywhere it does uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00666-00188792-00188989 seem clear to me and it sounds like it's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00667-00188990-00189265 also clear to you that if something like uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00668-00189266-00189433 this was done don't be very important to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00669-00189434-00189598 make it an option and not a requirement uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00670-00189599-00189846 in whatever you know workflow there was uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00671-00189847-00190123 and Sakai tends to be the community uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00672-00190124-00190360 tends to be in general I won't say uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00673-00190361-00190566 absolutely in general pretty open to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00674-00190567-00190837 features that can be turned off by uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00675-00190838-00190990 default right and that an institution uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00676-00190991-00191299 and/or site level can be controlled that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00677-00191300-00191455 way that's all you have this huge uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00678-00191456-00191689 properties file and all those options so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00679-00191690-00191902 those are just my initial reactions to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00680-00191903-00192109 that idea so short answer is sure if you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00681-00192110-00192244 want to try that I don't have any uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00682-00192245-00192541 problem with that say and I want to say uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00683-00192542-00192709 this is Andrea I want to say thank you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00684-00192710-00192970 very much for the time to talk about uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00685-00192971-00193231 this and I really appreciate the things uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00686-00193232-00193426 that other people have brought up that I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00687-00193427-00193645 hadn't thought about because I was so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00688-00193646-00193704 focused uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00689-00193705-00194136 my own context thank you very much Thank uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00690-00194137-00194265 You Andre really appreciate appreciate uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00691-00194266-00194412 you bringing this up to the group and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00692-00194413-00194659 generating a discussion that was really uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00693-00194660-00194848 cool uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00694-00194849-00194995 looks like a couple more comments that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00695-00194996-00195252 say one debate Beth since it would only uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00696-00195253-00195418 apply narrowly to one of our schools we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00697-00195419-00195535 would definitely want this to be an uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00698-00195536-00196014 option and not a default yeah so any any uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00699-00196015-00196149 final comments on this I guess we'll uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00700-00196150-00196411 just do a quick quick round-robin you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00701-00196412-00196771 know Charles Jennifer Julie Laura you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00702-00196772-00196878 can put in chat if you don't have uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00703-00196879-00197016 anything more but just checking to see uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00704-00197017-00197163 if anyone has anything more before we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00705-00197164-00197298 wrap up uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00706-00197299-00198860 Linda mark Sean Steven uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00707-00198861-00199085 okay cool it looks like nobody has uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00708-00199086-00199403 anything more on this topic so we'll uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00709-00199404-00199661 move on and Andre you're welcome uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00710-00199662-00200003 certainly to stay if you want or to not uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00711-00200004-00200126 today uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00712-00200127-00200351 so we could do a couple different things uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00713-00200352-00200540 we can either just adjourn a little bit uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00714-00200541-00200711 early today which I'm sure people are uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00715-00200712-00201076 always have good use for time locally to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00716-00201077-00201377 put that extra time to use or something uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00717-00201378-00201569 we often do in these meetings oh I guess uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00718-00201570-00201665 one thing that'll be a good thing to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00719-00201666-00201908 spend time on that is to see about a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00720-00201909-00202090 future topic so that's probably worth uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00721-00202091-00202265 putting at least a few minutes on and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00722-00202266-00202598 then I then then we can talk about you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00723-00202599-00202703 know whether we want to use this time uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00724-00202704-00202946 just to end early or oftentimes we use uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00725-00202947-00203087 we go through teaching and learning uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00726-00203088-00203387 types of issues in JIRA using this time uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00727-00203388-00203624 we could certainly do that so but let's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00728-00203625-00203834 start let's start with the ideas for uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00729-00203835-00203984 future topics does anyone have any uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00730-00203985-00204353 topics and I think the model Andrea is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00731-00204354-00204488 presented is really nice one because uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00732-00204489-00204611 sometimes people feel like this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00733-00204612-00204794 obligation to do a big PowerPoint uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00734-00204795-00205087 presentation and and you know have a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00735-00205088-00205342 number of slides but it doesn't have to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00736-00205344-00205486 be that it can be something like just uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00737-00205487-00205744 bringing up an issue that you're finding uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00738-00205746-00206009 is is you have some curiosity around or uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00739-00206010-00206167 you're encountering in your institution uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00740-00206169-00206812 and seeing what others think of it so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00741-00206813-00207221 any thoughts or future topics either for uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00742-00207221-00207385 yourself that you have a particular idea uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00743-00207386-00207650 or something you're you would like it if uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00744-00207651-00208954 somebody else brought up uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00745-00208955-00209176 or other tools in the perio that you'd uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00746-00209177-00209359 like to see come back and have uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00747-00209360-00209544 discussions with because we tend to be a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00748-00209546-00209707 little on the sakai heavy side on this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00749-00209708-00211162 call but not not uh not exclusively uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00750-00211163-00211371 and in fact the next one so right now we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00751-00211373-00211606 have August 16th is open September 6 is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00752-00211607-00211888 open at September 20th we have at one of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00753-00211889-00212050 our Atlas Award winners from a pareo uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00754-00212051-00212377 writing 270 composing the internship uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00755-00212378-00212523 experience social media and digital uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00756-00212525-00212806 discourse denise comer from Duke uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00757-00212807-00213675 University uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00758-00213676-00214036 ok well if nobody has any thoughts or if uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00759-00214037-00214159 you do don't have any thoughts of this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00760-00214160-00214296 moment that you come up with an 8 please uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00761-00214298-00214567 send a note to the teaching and learning uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00762-00214567-00214831 facilitators one in more of us which uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00763-00214832-00215032 again is myself and I'm sure a lot of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00764-00215033-00215191 you are familiar with Tricia Gordon from uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00765-00215192-00215416 University of Virginia or Matt Burgess uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00766-00215417-00215563 from University of Virginia and let us uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00767-00215564-00215839 know so we can kind of investigate or uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00768-00215840-00216016 put ideas out to the community and and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00769-00216017-00216481 see what topics are of interest so so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00770-00216482-00216766 thanks and then finally I guess for this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00771-00216767-00217084 meeting Quick Poll I'd prefer what uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00772-00217085-00217228 people prefer to spend the remaining uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00773-00217229-00217623 time going through some Sakai teaching uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00774-00217625-00217869 and learning issues in JIRA or would you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00775-00217871-00218292 just like to end early Terry would like uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00776-00218294-00219046 to look at JIRA JIRA cool great all uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00777-00219046-00219184 right well since at least a few of us uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00778-00219185-00219355 would like to look at your I will go uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00779-00219356-00219600 ahead and shift the discussion over to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00780-00219601-00219817 teaching and learning issues that are in uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00781-00219817-00220039 JIRA if for those of you who don't want uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00782-00220040-00220234 to stay on you're welcome to to leave uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00783-00220235-00220417 early but you know look like there's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00784-00220417-00220587 some energy around that so that's super uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00785-00220588-00220825 so I don't have anything prepared but we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00786-00220826-00221200 can easily get into JIRA and find those uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00787-00221201-00221373 issues because we have them nicely uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00788-00221375-00222292 tagged all right so what I'm going to do uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00789-00222292-00222829 is create a new search and we have a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00790-00222830-00223142 category for Sakai right now we have uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00791-00223144-00223351 eventually we're going to just have one uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00792-00223352-00223573 Sakai project just as an FYI but uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00793-00223573-00223738 currently in JIRA we have a Sakai uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00794-00223739-00223951 project a lesson builder project a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00795-00223952-00224188 kernel project a same ago project so a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00796-00224189-00224389 couple of our areas is AK I have uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00797-00224390-00224516 separate projects I use uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00798-00224517-00224758 category and then we have a nice little uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00799-00224759-00225144 label here PL for teaching and learning uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00800-00225146-00225606 and then I just pull up things that are uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00801-00225607-00226492 not already resolved maybe we'll do it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00802-00226494-00226630 by priority that might be a cool way to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00803-00226631-00227130 do it but blocker issues coming pop uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00804-00227131-00227503 Ernie project uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00805-00227504-00227998 so typically component is where we put uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00806-00228000-00228271 things like if say if Sam ago for uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00807-00228273-00228437 example didn't have its own project then uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00808-00228438-00228569 that would be a component and we'd say uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00809-00228569-00229069 ok project you know get project Sakai in uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00810-00229069-00229408 component tests and quizzes which one uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00811-00229409-00229621 day we will be there not-too-distant uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00812-00229623-00229676 future uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00813-00229677-00229916 so here's the jaql query if you want to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00814-00229917-00230107 use it yourself so there are 62 issues uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00815-00230108-00230371 in here it looks like some of them are uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00816-00230373-00230615 critical priority that's with this arrow uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00817-00230616-00230782 with a little dot underneath of it is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00818-00230783-00231259 and and so and then there's a major uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00819-00231260-00231394 priority so what I'm going to do is just uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00820-00231396-00231575 kind of go down the list but what I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00821-00231576-00231773 encourage up the Upshaw encourage people uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00822-00231773-00231973 to take just a minute now literally a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00823-00231975-00232163 minute just to peruse the summaries and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00824-00232164-00232346 if there's an issue that particularly uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00825-00232346-00232628 interests you maybe paste it in the chat uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00826-00232629-00232858 and now I think that would be kind of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00827-00232859-00233032 more fun than just picking random issues uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00828-00233033-00233221 out is to just to look at issues that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00829-00233223-00233387 are of interest to at least one person uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00830-00233388-00233830 on this call your time startsnow uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00831-00233831-00234010 I'll give you a minute so there might be uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00832-00234011-00234184 a minute of awkward silence here or I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00833-00234185-00234409 can fill it in with with our random uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00834-00234410-00235190 chatter maybe I'm going to look myself uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00835-00235191-00235321 and see if there's anything that looks uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00837-00238862-00239050 I see one that for whatever reason uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00838-00239051-00239311 securely interests me so I'll mention uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00839-00239312-00239590 this one and see if there's others that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00840-00239591-00240096 have the same interest not sure if this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00841-00240098-00240348 one the discussion has ended or not uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00842-00240348-00240667 since it's open all assume not but that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00843-00240667-00240829 one's on assignments peer review not uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00844-00240830-00241092 available after evaluation period ends uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00845-00241094-00241477 so that one for some reason strikes me uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00846-00241478-00242178 as an interesting one thank you later uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00847-00242179-00242380 there's several here that I know we've uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00848-00242381-00242614 had some discussions on before so does uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00849-00242615-00242767 anyone else so the minutes pass does uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00850-00242767-00242923 anyone else have any other feel free to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00851-00242923-00243082 put in the chat just any issue that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00852-00243083-00243265 looks interesting to you otherwise I'll uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00853-00243266-00243454 just start with that one and kind of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00854-00243455-00244063 start going down lists no one's put uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00855-00244064-00244183 anything in yet so I'll just start on uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00856-00244184-00244369 this one and then we'll see if others uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00857-00244369-00244698 emerge so you see it has a tnl label uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00858-00244700-00244848 looks like this is one that was been an uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00859-00244850-00245161 interest of Duke and Notre Dame uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00860-00245162-00245641 let's see where the discussion ended it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00861-00245642-00246001 might be that this is already determined uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00862-00246002-00246340 to be a bug that people want to work on uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00863-00246341-00246514 so it says once a student reviews and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00864-00246515-00246739 other students work in assignments using uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00865-00246740-00246916 peer evaluation that student review is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00866-00246917-00247090 not available after the evaluation uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00867-00247091-00247282 period Adams a student does not have uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00868-00247283-00247467 elated to view the peer review so I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00869-00247469-00247681 think the conclusion on this one is that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00870-00247682-00248067 that is a bad thing that even after the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00871-00248069-00248398 peer evaluation period is over and the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00872-00248398-00248598 other students have reviewed let's say uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00873-00248600-00248854 your work and that's closed that it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00874-00248855-00248989 seems like it would be valuable for you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00875-00248990-00249148 to continue be able to see that that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00876-00249148-00249517 those that feedback I think that was the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00877-00249517-00249631 conclusion does that sound with the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00878-00249632-00249760 right feedback and is that the right uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00879-00249761-00251405 direction for that this issue uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00880-00251406-00252662 sorry for my quickie chair there uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00881-00252663-00252821 and fYI that does not seem to be a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00882-00252821-00253108 contributed patch for this one yet so I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00883-00253109-00253255 look over here on the good source code uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00884-00253256-00253708 we have a connection with get so Terry uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00885-00253709-00253942 Wright says there is no location to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00886-00253944-00254359 review perhaps that is key oh do you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00887-00254360-00254492 mean Terry that there needs to be so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00888-00254492-00254615 there might need to be some additional uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00889-00254616-00254939 screens created in Sakai as a place to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00890-00254940-00255194 which students can go to look at their uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00891-00255194-00255250 reviews uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00892-00255251-00255448 yeah that's what I was reading there uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00893-00255450-00255805 when it says right there I do and of the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00894-00255806-00256204 test plan it says not removing the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00895-00256205-00256459 screen sorry I was trying the test plan uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00896-00256460-00256732 it says after evaluation period ends go uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00897-00256733-00256898 back into assignment as student there's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00898-00256898-00257110 no available location for the students uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00899-00257111-00257519 to view the reviewers comments so if if uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00900-00257519-00257809 there was a page that stored those uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00901-00257810-00258248 things comments then that might be the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00902-00258248-00259051 easiest solution I think in not being a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00903-00259052-00259354 developer but that seems when you want uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00904-00259355-00259609 the assignment to be closed but you need uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00905-00259610-00259796 to have a place where the student can go uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00906-00259796-00260216 back and look at those comments yeah uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00907-00260217-00260356 that makes a lot of sense to me Terry uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00908-00260357-00260588 ins making me think that in a way it can uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00909-00260589-00260875 be looked as a bug but another way it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00910-00260876-00261007 can be looked at as a feature request uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00911-00261008-00261310 and certainly the kind of work that that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00912-00261311-00261496 type of thing would would need to add uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00913-00261498-00261676 into it would be adding in new uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00914-00261677-00261839 functionality right so this would become uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00915-00261840-00262129 more of a feature request and then a bug uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00916-00262130-00262399 yeah and then the question is can we get uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00917-00262400-00262591 the resources to address that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00918-00262592-00262882 yeah and how complicated would it be uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00919-00262883-00264007 right uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00920-00264008-00264254 Charles right I think that should be uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00921-00264255-00264416 something the instructor could toggle as uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00922-00264417-00264641 a setting allow students to see peer uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00923-00264642-00265006 review that's a good point Charles uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00924-00265007-00265337 what's that that's a good one yeah I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00925-00265338-00265472 think that's a good one too Charles uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00926-00265473-00265661 would you mind putting that on the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00927-00265662-00265856 Charles you mind putting that comment on uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00928-00265857-00266702 the on the on the ticket sure I'll need uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00929-00266703-00266972 to getting in there to find it but right uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00930-00266973-00267323 I put the link in the chat so that might uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00931-00267324-00268250 help there's a smile yeah yeah yeah any uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00932-00268251-00269023 other any other comments on this one uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00933-00269024-00269749 going once going twice okay uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00934-00269750-00269990 of course that the issue is always there uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00935-00269991-00270188 to put comments on and and just want to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00936-00270189-00270329 encourage everybody that that's what uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00937-00270330-00270575 comments are for it's totally an open uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00938-00270576-00270803 process so all you need is a JIRA uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00939-00270804-00270926 account which of course if you don't uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00940-00270927-00271337 have one is free to make one and any uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00941-00271338-00271526 free and easy to make one and if you not uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00942-00271527-00271841 sure how please ask me and then comment uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00943-00271842-00272009 self-injure Charles I think you've got a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00944-00272010-00272132 little bit of background noise I'm going uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00945-00272133-00272410 to meet you is that okay fine right uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00946-00272411-00272975 thanks alright so I'm going to go to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00947-00272976-00273191 another one so I haven't seen any uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00948-00273192-00273353 additional ones come in so I'm just uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00949-00273354-00273845 going to go from the top let's see some uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00950-00273846-00274118 time tests don't submit when user timer uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00951-00274119-00274766 runs out let's see here oh you know what uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00952-00274767-00274907 I just corrected me after this one I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00953-00274908-00275132 have another idea for how to sort these uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00954-00275133-00275576 that might be useful okay anyway we're uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00955-00275577-00275855 experiencing an same ago 32:21 we're uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00956-00275856-00276011 experiencing an intermittent issue with uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00957-00276012-00276212 tests that have a time limit time test uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00958-00276213-00276395 should submit when the timer runs out it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00959-00276396-00276665 since I'm grading from - 9 - 11 - we're uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00960-00276666-00276905 seeing cases where they do not and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00961-00276906-00277125 remain stuck in progress on a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00962-00277126-00277347 has taken by 35 students to do not uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00963-00277348-00277626 submit when the timer ran out I've seen uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00964-00277627-00277782 this problem on five different tests and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00965-00277783-00277944 five different sites since late April uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00966-00277945-00278259 2017 attached is a screenshot of test uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00967-00278260-00278565 settings from one of these tests also uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00968-00278566-00278781 attached our log files for two students uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00969-00278782-00279003 from the same test as in this fitting uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00970-00279004-00279156 screenshot one where the tests submitted uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00971-00279157-00279369 when the timer ran out the other when it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00972-00279370-00279558 did not we have not been able to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00973-00279559-00279720 reproduce the issue replicate the issue uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00974-00279721-00279937 or determine a common denominator uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00975-00279938-00280098 looking at log files in some of the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00976-00280099-00280275 problem cases we can see that the user uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00977-00280276-00280572 logs into Sakai on another device while uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00978-00280573-00280773 taking the test and/or review span of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00979-00280774-00281043 past tests however we can see these same uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00980-00281044-00281263 actions for users whose tests did submit uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00981-00281264-00281499 when the timer ran out these occurrences uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00982-00281500-00281760 are hard to detect either the instructor uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00983-00281761-00281955 or student has to notice it and report uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00984-00281956-00282187 it and the academic impact can be high uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00985-00282188-00282366 when I notice the student is likely to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00986-00282367-00282606 receive a grade of zero for unsubmitted uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00987-00282607-00282879 test which they actually took that does uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00988-00282880-00283247 seem like a pretty important issue a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00989-00283248-00285095 bunch of coffee few comments on here uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00990-00285096-00285731 you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00991-00285732-00285926 so right now just I'm reading it I some uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00992-00285927-00286073 other people are kind of reading the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00993-00286074-00288648 ticket uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00994-00288649-00288780 like there's a workaround which is why uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00995-00288781-00291540 this might not be a blocker priority uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00996-00291541-00292041 let's say out-of-the-box acai has a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00997-00292042-00292235 default logic problem late submissions uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00998-00292236-00292416 by default erroneously pre-fills the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-00999-00292417-00292620 date on editing settings with the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01000-00292621-00292869 current day time at which the settings uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01001-00292870-00293940 were opened the pre-fills yeah your uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01002-00293941-00294101 current default is not to allow late uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01003-00294102-00294264 submissions I'd recommend keeping it for uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01004-00294265-00294302 now uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01005-00294303-00294492 that's that default settings should not uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01006-00294493-00294683 affect the date settings or an existing uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01007-00294684-00295894 important exam so now uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01008-00295895-00296221 talking about importing sites importing uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01009-00296222-00296682 tests from other sites and exist at time uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01010-00296683-00296835 of the original substance creation will uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01011-00296836-00297006 not be available to select and duplicate uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01012-00297007-00297404 set any okay so that sounds like a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01013-00297405-00297681 challenging bug and an important one I'm uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01014-00297682-00297984 not exactly sure why the TL label was uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01015-00297985-00298128 put on here whether it was just to give uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01016-00298129-00298353 more visibility to this to the teaching uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01017-00298354-00298600 learning community or maybe like if uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01018-00298601-00298774 you've having if you're noticing this at uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01019-00298775-00299010 your institution and can provide you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01020-00299011-00299188 know maybe some more clues to why this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01021-00299189-00299272 is happening uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01022-00299273-00299520 this clearly looks like a you know uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01023-00299521-00299920 important bug to get resolved does uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01024-00299921-00300420 anyone have any comments on this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01025-00300421-00300846 thoughts as to its priority workaround uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01026-00300847-00302830 excuse me uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01027-00302831-00303475 let's say now I just recorded my uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01028-00303476-00303846 evernote screen on a onto a for this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01029-00303847-00304036 terry rights i think could be a very uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01030-00304037-00304701 high priority uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01031-00304702-00305026 yeah me too terry i just seems very uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01032-00305027-00305254 challenging to though because of the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01033-00305255-00305425 intermittent nature and sort of lack of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01034-00305426-00305668 clear set of parameters that trigger the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01035-00305669-00306094 problem makes it especially hard when we uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01036-00306095-00306241 can't when the team can't reproduce an uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01037-00306242-00306478 issue it's really hard to know what to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01038-00306479-00306700 do with it and oftentimes those do not uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01039-00306701-00307006 get attention or require extra community uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01040-00307007-00307687 you know kind of effort okay well if uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01041-00307688-00307825 there's no other issues in other words uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01042-00307826-00307969 their comments in this issue will just uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01043-00307970-00308383 move on kind of I'm thinking well anyway uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01044-00308384-00308596 maybe yeah maybe we should skip the same uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01045-00308597-00308731 ago ones because there is a same ago uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01046-00308732-00309316 triage process now on Fridays led by uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01047-00309317-00309577 Tiffany so me go to the next one this is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01048-00309578-00309748 interesting it's a feature request and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01049-00309749-00310047 I'm not sure what this one is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01050-00310048-00310258 and then we have time for Brian just uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01051-00310259-00310591 this one animal okay thanks Laura uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01052-00310592-00310690 appreciate it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01053-00310691-00310843 Laura is saying that time ago triage uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01054-00310844-00311005 will tackle those on Friday so we'll uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01055-00311006-00311317 just skip the same ago ones sending on uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01056-00311318-00311614 to the start end date ones let's say uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01057-00311615-00311926 this is for syllabus tool new start and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01058-00311927-00312079 eight new start end dates are not uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01059-00312080-00312492 clearly tied to calendar functionality uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01060-00312493-00312739 new start end dates have introduced to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01061-00312740-00312904 Sakai syllabus tool that apparently uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01062-00312905-00313045 address it use capes where syllabus uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01063-00313046-00313282 items can be added to the schedule tool uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01064-00313283-00313438 however the association of the dates uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01065-00313439-00313612 with the calendar feature is not evident uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01066-00313613-00313867 in the current UI rather these dates uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01067-00313868-00314023 appear prominently to the right of each uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01068-00314024-00314311 syllabus item in the default window and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01069-00314312-00314518 can be edited whether or not the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01070-00314519-00315519 associated item hold on a second icon uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01071-00315520-00316074 sorry about that just muted myself let's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01072-00316075-00316227 say I propose uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01073-00316228-00316548 however they Association add these dates uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01074-00316549-00316662 appear prominently to the right of each uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01075-00316663-00316824 syllabus item in the default view and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01076-00316825-00316977 can be edited and whether or not the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01077-00316978-00317178 associated item has been added to the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01078-00317179-00317364 schedule tool in this case these sort of uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01079-00317365-00317510 know function that I can discern I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01080-00317511-00317715 propose to these dates only be visible uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01081-00317716-00317881 if when the option to adisyl of this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01082-00317882-00318240 item to the schedule is selected and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01083-00318241-00318414 then just show the dates when editing uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01084-00318415-00318656 the syllabus in any case I believe that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01085-00318657-00318804 way too much emphasis is devoted to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01086-00318805-00319068 these dates in the current UI I'd uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01087-00319069-00319218 probably would appreciate a screenshot uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01088-00319219-00319422 although I can visualize the syllabus uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01089-00319423-00319578 because I've seen it a number of times uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01090-00319579-00319794 and I'm pretty confident I know what uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01091-00319795-00319982 Tricia's discussing all I'd still think uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01092-00319983-00320205 of spring shot on here would be pretty uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01093-00320206-00320357 good the other thing that comes up for uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01094-00320358-00320517 me just thinking about this is I think uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01095-00320518-00320673 there's been sort of a number of side uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01096-00320674-00320943 conversations I think in the community uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01097-00320944-00321072 about whether we want to really put uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01098-00321073-00321339 effort into improving the syllabus tool uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01099-00321340-00321519 or whether we want to find ways to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01100-00321520-00321753 replace the syllabus tool like for uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01101-00321754-00322005 example using lessons and creating some uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01102-00322006-00322176 sort of template for the lessons tool to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01103-00322177-00322520 act as a syllabus so so there's a bigger uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01104-00322521-00322716 potential discussion although at the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01105-00322717-00322878 moment I'm not aware of anybody who's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01106-00322879-00323166 actively working on on replacing the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01107-00323167-00323435 syllabus tool with lessons but the other uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01108-00323436-00323655 the other advantage of that just to you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01109-00323656-00323823 know keep my thought process going here uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01110-00323824-00324168 a little bit is I think the fewer tools uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01111-00324169-00324372 we have in Sakai the better we can uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01112-00324373-00324645 maintain and the slicker we can make uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01113-00324646-00324771 them so that's something else to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01114-00324772-00324878 consider uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01115-00324879-00325082 Terry writes now that lesson says uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01116-00325083-00325275 collapsible sections the syllabus tool uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01117-00325276-00325583 becomes more redundant either Andrea and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01118-00325584-00325883 Anjali or both of them said that and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01119-00325884-00326022 Steven writes they're hiding the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01120-00326023-00326244 syllabus tool in the next upgrade so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01121-00326245-00326397 that's some confirmation of some of the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01122-00326398-00326655 things I've been hearing and Laura uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01123-00326656-00326820 writes they hit it last year a Notre uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01124-00326821-00327983 Dame no one used it correctly we're uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01125-00327984-00328185 Andrea and Jolie and when you're trying uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01126-00328186-00328374 to get people use lessons instead bingo uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01127-00328375-00328824 so I'm curious that seems like that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01128-00328825-00328974 might be a fruitful discussion this uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01129-00328975-00329145 could be a Sakai camp discussion or it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01130-00329146-00329295 could be a broader community discussion uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01131-00329296-00329574 if anyone wanted to lead it on lower uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01132-00329575-00329742 eyes they just post a PDF of their uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01133-00329743-00329880 syllabus there yeah that's something way uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01134-00329881-00329994 of doing it Laura I assume that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01135-00329995-00330237 something that's very very common for uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01136-00330238-00330468 syllabus is people just posting a PDF uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01137-00330469-00330684 and Andrian Jolie said yeah we saw that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01138-00330685-00331140 too Laura so so if anyone on this call uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01139-00331141-00331512 is interested in taking a role in like uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01140-00331513-00331704 trying to lead a discussion on that or uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01141-00331705-00331959 create a confluence page I'm happy to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01142-00331960-00332145 provide support in terms of you know uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01143-00332146-00332457 getting something set up so just curious uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01144-00332458-00332646 twenty wants to step up to that because uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01145-00332647-00333381 it seems like sssay do duf many of our uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01146-00333382-00333537 channels right it's my neighbor faculty uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01147-00333538-00333669 will also just post a PDF or Word uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01148-00333670-00333849 document so I think that could be you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01149-00333850-00333969 know that could be really an interesting uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01150-00333970-00334182 discussion because again if we can get uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01151-00334183-00334359 rid of the more tools like it's great to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01152-00334360-00334542 add any functionalities kind of some uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01153-00334543-00334674 great new tools that have been coming in uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01154-00334675-00334860 and functionality on the other hand the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01155-00334861-00335025 more code we can sort of get rid of and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01156-00335026-00335334 Sakai the better it will you know these uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01157-00335335-00335484 Gators to maintain as I was saying and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01158-00335485-00335700 they get a smoother experience for the uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01159-00335701-00335916 tools that are supported August 16th uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01160-00335917-00336462 what's that about Terry that's the next uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01161-00336463-00336861 Open Meetings oh yeah sure is anyone uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01162-00336862-00337095 willing I think in my opinion it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01163-00337096-00337251 probably shouldn't be me leading it per uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01164-00337252-00337542 se since I'm not really using the tool I uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01165-00337543-00337746 don't have faculty I'm supported then uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01166-00337747-00337971 supporting so does anyone that volunteer uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01167-00337972-00338184 or a couple people to do a panel and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01168-00338185-00338550 have a open discussion about you know uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01169-00338551-00338730 we're replacing the syllabus tool by uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01170-00338731-00339381 using lessons or some other strategy and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01171-00339382-00339498 if you're not uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01172-00339499-00340014 want to write me off less that's fine so uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01173-00340015-00340167 okay I'll write that down tentatively is uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01174-00340168-00340707 our dog 1/16 discussion help have some uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01175-00340708-00340965 volunteers to lead that discussion so it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01176-00340966-00341184 would probably help to just have a few uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01177-00341185-00341469 provocative questions to kind of let it uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01178-00341470-00341682 take care of itself that's a great idea uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01179-00341683-00341928 so do you have some idea we can start uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01180-00341929-00342174 brainstorming those provocative uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01181-00342175-00342312 questions and then that would be a good uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01182-00342313-00342680 way to end the meeting I think for today uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01183-00342681-00343094 to lay it on me provocative questions uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01184-00343095-00343367 thank you okay uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01185-00343368-00343578 do we need a syllabus tool as a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01186-00343579-00344016 provocative question a discreet syllabus uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01187-00344017-00344987 tool you know one is separate from yeah uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01188-00344988-00345597 supposed to using existing tools other uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01189-00345598-00346518 tools like resources or lessons I would uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01190-00346519-00347237 before I say resources I'd say wiki okay uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01191-00347238-00347544 that bring up a whole other dropping off uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01192-00347545-00347688 okay oh right well no because we have uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01193-00347689-00347820 the next meeting you'll see there in a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01194-00347821-00347976 couple minutes right we'll get a wrap-up uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01195-00347977-00348179 because I'm also on the next meeting and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01196-00348180-00348549 yeah so yeah so send your questions to uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01197-00348550-00348729 me but that does open a can of worms a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01198-00348730-00349002 little bit and that we've looked at you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01199-00349003-00349167 know our wiki tool is sort of an uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01200-00349168-00349371 old-style wiki tool and we're having uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01201-00349372-00349542 trouble maintaining as a community and uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01202-00349543-00349760 we've looked at alternatives in the past uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01203-00349761-00350046 and that's a whole nother discussion but uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01204-00350047-00350181 yeah we certainly put it up then we can uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01205-00350182-00350271 have that discussion uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01206-00350272-00350517 how do professors post syllabi how can uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01207-00350518-00351108 we improve their air uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01208-00351109-00351489 Linda Beth writes our Provost has what's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01209-00351490-00351693 the original purpose of it okay that's uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01210-00351694-00351985 great questions if people could continue uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01211-00351986-00352254 kind of throwing these altura Stevens ID uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01212-00352255-00352407 on here keep throwing the ideas up here uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01213-00352408-00352563 and that would be great I think I'm uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01214-00352564-00352767 happy to facilitate if we have a bunch uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01215-00352768-00352891 of questions we can ask people uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01216-00352892-00353095 start the discussion that's really cool uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01217-00353096-00353305 which tools in Sakai may no longer be uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01218-00353306-00353533 necessary that's another angle on that uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01219-00353534-00353791 Laura thank you for that that could spin uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01220-00353792-00354088 off another discussion and let me see if uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01221-00354089-00354223 I can get Windows no more grouper have uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01222-00354224-00354385 to sign off here in like just a couple uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01223-00354386-00354436 seconds uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01224-00354437-00354622 our Provost has mandated our faculty uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01225-00354623-00354763 have a copy of the syllabus in their uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01226-00354764-00355231 course for the fall it's most people use uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01227-00355232-00355600 for this tool for this we can run a uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01228-00355601-00355774 report against the use oh okay uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01229-00355775-00355924 that this will be difficult to do uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01230-00355925-00356221 without the tool oh I see uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01231-00356222-00356404 how do we how do we track is actually uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01232-00356405-00357069 using the syllabus Lucian's rack how uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01233-00357070-00357544 well broadly okay all right well I gotta uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01234-00357545-00357802 run but thank you for those questions uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01235-00357803-00357952 and that's sounds like a great topic for uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01236-00357953-00358174 next time so I'm going to stop recording uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01237-00358175-00358357 and thank you everybody and talk to you uV_O0Fz0_JQ-01238-00358358-00358741 next time take care bye 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the organization is headed by the uW700MQNIL8-00028-00007489-00007683 Congress president who is elected by the uW700MQNIL8-00029-00007684-00008016 All India Congress Committee the a ICC uW700MQNIL8-00030-00008017-00008178 on the other hand is composed of uW700MQNIL8-00031-00008179-00008355 delegates sent by the various state uW700MQNIL8-00032-00008356-00008556 level Pradesh Congress committees who uW700MQNIL8-00033-00008557-00008694 themselves have been elected or uW700MQNIL8-00034-00008695-00008871 nominated to their respective Pradesh uW700MQNIL8-00035-00008872-00009051 Congress Committee from the district and uW700MQNIL8-00036-00009052-00009227 panchayat level party units uW700MQNIL8-00037-00009228-00009471 besides the president these delegates uW700MQNIL8-00038-00009472-00009624 also elect the Congress Working uW700MQNIL8-00039-00009625-00009768 Committee which is the apex uW700MQNIL8-00040-00009769-00010004 decision-making body of the organization uW700MQNIL8-00041-00010005-00010254 several general secretaries are also uW700MQNIL8-00042-00010255-00010434 appointed by the President to run the uW700MQNIL8-00043-00010435-00010818 functioning of the organization topic uW700MQNIL8-00044-00010819-00011031 members president Rahul Gandhi MP uW700MQNIL8-00045-00011032-00011274 treasurer Ahmed Patel MP general uW700MQNIL8-00046-00011275-00011564 secretaries Motilal Vora MP I see uW700MQNIL8-00047-00011565-00011868 administration Ambika Soni MP I see uW700MQNIL8-00048-00011869-00012132 Jammu and Kashmir Ashok Gehlot cm uW700MQNIL8-00049-00012133-00012234 Rajasthan uW700MQNIL8-00050-00012235-00012510 I see organization and training Avinash uW700MQNIL8-00051-00012511-00012896 pand XMP I see Rajasthan luiseño falero uW700MQNIL8-00052-00012897-00013287 xcm Goa I see Tripura misra Nagaland uW700MQNIL8-00053-00013288-00013569 Arunachal Pradesh Sikkim menopur in uW700MQNIL8-00054-00013569-00013857 Meghalaya Ghulam Nabi Azad MP lop Raja 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equals footnotes uYs2_iXW9vy-00000-00002642-00005186 [Music] uYs2_iXW9vy-00002-00009042-00011600 [Music] uYs2_iXW9vy-00003-00011601-00014391 [Music] uYs2_iXW9vy-00004-00014393-00015038 [Music] uYs2_iXW9vy-00005-00015040-00015431 so uYs2_iXW9vy-00007-00019920-00020128 you uYTIKjU38S0-00000-00000024-00000245 so Wagner we noted the power of uYTIKjU38S0-00001-00000246-00000491 Storytelling crafting a career narrative uYTIKjU38S0-00002-00000492-00000749 that gets you noticed so what tips you uYTIKjU38S0-00003-00000750-00000971 have for job seekers in terms of telling uYTIKjU38S0-00004-00000972-00001139 their story especially during the uYTIKjU38S0-00005-00001140-00001366 interview times uYTIKjU38S0-00006-00001367-00001601 you know again it's a little contextual uYTIKjU38S0-00007-00001602-00001757 because you need to know where you are uYTIKjU38S0-00008-00001757-00001984 entering and who you're talking to so uYTIKjU38S0-00009-00001985-00002260 there is a lot of understanding of the uYTIKjU38S0-00010-00002261-00002537 other in fact there are three very uYTIKjU38S0-00011-00002538-00002842 important components of a narrative one uYTIKjU38S0-00012-00002843-00003155 is moments of impact you need to show uYTIKjU38S0-00013-00003156-00003340 what are the moments they had the uYTIKjU38S0-00014-00003342-00003563 greatest impact in your career so people uYTIKjU38S0-00015-00003564-00003761 know that you're taking uYTIKjU38S0-00016-00003761-00004043 uh absorbing the information the uYTIKjU38S0-00017-00004044-00004211 experiences that you had in your life uYTIKjU38S0-00018-00004212-00004420 yes and they're very emotionally uYTIKjU38S0-00019-00004421-00004649 connecting when you talk about this uYTIKjU38S0-00020-00004650-00004841 person or something happened to me and uYTIKjU38S0-00021-00004842-00005027 the impact ahead on me this is very uYTIKjU38S0-00022-00005028-00005254 important yes that leads to the second uYTIKjU38S0-00023-00005255-00005554 component which is don't Focus just on uYTIKjU38S0-00024-00005555-00005885 your technical uh skills think about the uYTIKjU38S0-00025-00005886-00006088 capabilities that you build human uYTIKjU38S0-00026-00006089-00006341 capabilities we talk about them right we uYTIKjU38S0-00027-00006342-00006646 talk about skills human capabilities and uYTIKjU38S0-00028-00006647-00006814 actually there is operational skills uYTIKjU38S0-00029-00006815-00007217 human capabilities are I'm very good uh uYTIKjU38S0-00030-00007218-00007433 critical thinker I'm very good at uYTIKjU38S0-00031-00007434-00007733 synthesizing data information uYTIKjU38S0-00032-00007734-00008027 um I enjoy very much exploring new ways uYTIKjU38S0-00033-00008028-00008285 of finding uh new ways of doing the work uYTIKjU38S0-00034-00008286-00008531 so that's the other component and the uYTIKjU38S0-00035-00008532-00008831 third component has to be the Curiosity uYTIKjU38S0-00036-00008832-00009227 about the role itself about what is the uYTIKjU38S0-00037-00009228-00009424 opportunity for you to deliver your best uYTIKjU38S0-00038-00009425-00009701 value and show that you're excited about uYTIKjU38S0-00039-00009702-00010024 entering a challenging role because most uYTIKjU38S0-00040-00010025-00010181 roles are going to be very challenging uYTIKjU38S0-00041-00010182-00010296 in the future uYTIKjU38S0-00042-00010297-00010571 having a curiosity and mindset a uYTIKjU38S0-00043-00010572-00010835 positive mindset is important and that's uYTIKjU38S0-00044-00010836-00011063 how make maybe that's your unique value uYTIKjU38S0-00045-00011064-00011255 proposition that you can bring to the uYTIKjU38S0-00046-00011256-00011483 job and that's why you can be uYTIKjU38S0-00047-00011484-00011651 differentiated from other people right uYTIKjU38S0-00048-00011652-00011909 yes and I look I can tell you a very uYTIKjU38S0-00049-00011910-00012119 quick story my personal story how did I uYTIKjU38S0-00050-00012120-00012424 get to IBM I was my own private practice uYTIKjU38S0-00051-00012425-00012646 doing things Executive coaching a lot of uYTIKjU38S0-00052-00012647-00012941 things on my own and I moved closer to uYTIKjU38S0-00053-00012941-00013102 the headquarters that IBM I said why uYTIKjU38S0-00054-00013103-00013265 didn't I go work for IBM it's a great uYTIKjU38S0-00055-00013266-00013547 company yeah my first corporate job and uYTIKjU38S0-00056-00013547-00013811 I found the name of the the head of uYTIKjU38S0-00057-00013812-00014021 talent and University there but I didn't uYTIKjU38S0-00058-00014022-00014177 have a way in uYTIKjU38S0-00059-00014178-00014411 um I just called this assistant said no uYTIKjU38S0-00060-00014412-00014879 sir no sir no sir so I found the one uYTIKjU38S0-00061-00014880-00015061 colleague of my head uYTIKjU38S0-00062-00015062-00015521 aus.ibm.com suffix in his email yeah I uYTIKjU38S0-00063-00015522-00015761 sat down and did the combination of the uYTIKjU38S0-00064-00015762-00015958 head of talent's name wrong Glover uYTIKjU38S0-00065-00015959-00016261 Glover I did 15 combinations with uYTIKjU38S0-00066-00016262-00016541 suffixus.ibm and I just said I have the uYTIKjU38S0-00067-00016542-00016697 conviction I can add value to your uYTIKjU38S0-00068-00016698-00016865 organization please consider me for a uYTIKjU38S0-00069-00016866-00017129 role yeah I mean miraculously he uYTIKjU38S0-00070-00017130-00017333 answered my email and said interesting uYTIKjU38S0-00071-00017334-00017597 resume I'm gonna send to HR I said oh uYTIKjU38S0-00072-00017598-00017813 let's see what happens yeah HR asked me uYTIKjU38S0-00073-00017814-00018058 and this is the important piece HR asked uYTIKjU38S0-00074-00018059-00018317 me I don't know what to do with you uh uYTIKjU38S0-00075-00018318-00018472 you didn't apply for a job you just uYTIKjU38S0-00076-00018473-00018713 contact so and so and I'm just uYTIKjU38S0-00077-00018714-00018869 interviewing you because of him what uYTIKjU38S0-00078-00018870-00019067 would I do with you I said I don't know uYTIKjU38S0-00079-00019068-00019289 what role you have for me but I truly uYTIKjU38S0-00080-00019290-00019547 believe in the values of IBM and I can uYTIKjU38S0-00081-00019548-00019757 be your greatest cultural evangelist for uYTIKjU38S0-00082-00019758-00020099 IBM oh in three weeks I had a job as uYTIKjU38S0-00083-00020100-00020291 leadership in organizational consultant uYTIKjU38S0-00084-00020292-00020650 yeah so you never know but you need to uYTIKjU38S0-00085-00020651-00020855 have conviction that you can add value uYTIKjU38S0-00086-00020856-00021107 to an organization and show that you uYTIKjU38S0-00087-00021108-00021221 have uYTIKjU38S0-00088-00021222-00021544 passion for it because people listen to uYTIKjU38S0-00089-00021545-00021875 the emotional context and how you speak uYTIKjU38S0-00090-00021876-00022277 how you interject yourself how you share uYTIKjU38S0-00091-00022278-00022589 your willingness to work in the uYTIKjU38S0-00092-00022590-00022739 organization is very important yeah uYTIKjU38S0-00093-00022740-00022919 those are great tips thank you let's uYTIKjU38S0-00094-00022920-00023050 talk about the audience watching all uYTIKjU38S0-00095-00023051-00023200 this thing if you have any other tips uYTIKjU38S0-00096-00023201-00023435 please leave them below and tune in next uYTIKjU38S0-00097-00023436-00023555 time for another great question with uYTIKjU38S0-00098-00023556-00023627 Wagner uYTIKjU38S0-00099-00023628-00024198 [Music] uYTIKjU38S0-00100-00024199-00024242 [Applause] uYTIKjU38S0-00101-00024243-00024677 [Music] uby9xPnqLfo-00000-00002280-00002558 uh good evening and welcome uby9xPnqLfo-00001-00002559-00002742 welcome to sawas uby9xPnqLfo-00002-00002743-00002958 i'm lucia dolce i'm the chair of the uby9xPnqLfo-00003-00002959-00003263 center buddhist studies here at sawas uby9xPnqLfo-00004-00003264-00003367 and i'm uby9xPnqLfo-00005-00003368-00003599 delighted to welcome you to the second uby9xPnqLfo-00006-00003600-00003822 of this academic year uby9xPnqLfo-00007-00003823-00004199 robert h and whole family foundation uby9xPnqLfo-00008-00004200-00004559 lecture series in chinese buddhism uby9xPnqLfo-00009-00004560-00004743 um i'll say a few words about the series uby9xPnqLfo-00010-00004744-00004886 for those of you who have not followed uby9xPnqLfo-00011-00004887-00005222 us we are now in our fourth slash fifth uby9xPnqLfo-00012-00005223-00005415 year we had a bit of slowdown with the uby9xPnqLfo-00013-00005416-00005518 lockdown uby9xPnqLfo-00014-00005519-00005775 um i went a bit online uby9xPnqLfo-00015-00005776-00006006 but normally we have three uby9xPnqLfo-00016-00006007-00006286 lectures every year uby9xPnqLfo-00017-00006287-00006591 and uby9xPnqLfo-00018-00006592-00006806 and these lectures are uby9xPnqLfo-00019-00006808-00006934 looking at uby9xPnqLfo-00020-00006936-00007110 buddhism from different business in uby9xPnqLfo-00021-00007111-00007446 china from different perspectives uby9xPnqLfo-00022-00007447-00007806 from the intellectual history history uby9xPnqLfo-00023-00007808-00008159 visual material culture artistry and uby9xPnqLfo-00024-00008159-00008351 contemporary issues uby9xPnqLfo-00025-00008352-00008703 so the series is meant to uby9xPnqLfo-00026-00008704-00008807 to uby9xPnqLfo-00027-00008808-00009087 let us think or learn about uby9xPnqLfo-00028-00009088-00009463 chinese buddhism in a non-sectarian way uby9xPnqLfo-00029-00009464-00009663 through different uby9xPnqLfo-00030-00009664-00009959 methodologies and uby9xPnqLfo-00031-00009960-00010183 having insights from different fields of uby9xPnqLfo-00032-00010184-00010367 inquiry uby9xPnqLfo-00033-00010368-00010678 um and we also uh have this is a kind of uby9xPnqLfo-00034-00010679-00010935 double bill we have a public lecture uh uby9xPnqLfo-00035-00010936-00011271 tonight and then um tomorrow morning i uby9xPnqLfo-00036-00011272-00011510 will have an extended seminar uby9xPnqLfo-00037-00011511-00011735 for postgraduate students of and uby9xPnqLfo-00038-00011736-00012014 colleagues hopefully um we always take uby9xPnqLfo-00039-00012015-00012135 advantage of uby9xPnqLfo-00040-00012136-00012327 the presence in london of a leading uby9xPnqLfo-00041-00012328-00012463 scholar uby9xPnqLfo-00042-00012464-00012687 in the field to uby9xPnqLfo-00043-00012688-00012927 offer some more training to our uby9xPnqLfo-00044-00012928-00013094 postgraduate students uby9xPnqLfo-00045-00013095-00013215 and so uby9xPnqLfo-00046-00013216-00013486 please do also take into account the uby9xPnqLfo-00047-00013487-00013647 seminar tomorrow i know that many have uby9xPnqLfo-00048-00013647-00013838 registered already uby9xPnqLfo-00049-00013840-00013983 um uby9xPnqLfo-00050-00013984-00014094 so uby9xPnqLfo-00051-00014095-00014343 well i'd like to thank publicly the uh uby9xPnqLfo-00052-00014344-00014647 robert hno family foundation for giving uby9xPnqLfo-00053-00014647-00014799 us the opportunity uby9xPnqLfo-00054-00014800-00015030 um to uh to uby9xPnqLfo-00055-00015031-00015311 come together and to uh to reflect to uby9xPnqLfo-00056-00015312-00015558 learn about chinese buddhism uby9xPnqLfo-00057-00015559-00015807 and now it's my great pleasure to uby9xPnqLfo-00058-00015808-00015911 introduce uby9xPnqLfo-00059-00015912-00016111 the speaker of tonight uby9xPnqLfo-00060-00016112-00016335 dr megan brazen uby9xPnqLfo-00061-00016336-00016591 from the university of tennessee at uby9xPnqLfo-00062-00016592-00016815 knoxville i think uby9xPnqLfo-00063-00016816-00017143 dr bryson as associate a professor uby9xPnqLfo-00064-00017144-00017479 at tennessee and also associate a head uby9xPnqLfo-00065-00017480-00017647 of religious studies uby9xPnqLfo-00066-00017648-00017767 um uby9xPnqLfo-00067-00017768-00017935 her research uby9xPnqLfo-00068-00017936-00018103 gives us really the opportunity to look uby9xPnqLfo-00069-00018104-00018463 at chinese buddhism from the borders if uby9xPnqLfo-00070-00018464-00018614 i can say so uby9xPnqLfo-00071-00018615-00018855 um looking at uby9xPnqLfo-00072-00018856-00019127 what happens the way in which um what we uby9xPnqLfo-00073-00019128-00019414 call chinese buddhism we should call it uby9xPnqLfo-00074-00019415-00019591 buddhism uby9xPnqLfo-00075-00019592-00019871 transforms and how it relates uby9xPnqLfo-00076-00019872-00020111 with other cultural areas uby9xPnqLfo-00077-00020112-00020519 at the border what is the the main uby9xPnqLfo-00078-00020520-00020678 chinese area uby9xPnqLfo-00079-00020679-00020903 in her case she has been working on the uby9xPnqLfo-00080-00020904-00021047 dali kingdom uby9xPnqLfo-00081-00021048-00021158 um uby9xPnqLfo-00082-00021159-00021478 so it is today uh the province of yunnan uby9xPnqLfo-00083-00021479-00021830 and uh um her research has been really uby9xPnqLfo-00084-00021831-00022039 uh crucial to uby9xPnqLfo-00085-00022040-00022278 highlight intersections uby9xPnqLfo-00086-00022279-00022511 uh both of uh uby9xPnqLfo-00087-00022512-00022911 material across cultural area not only uby9xPnqLfo-00088-00022912-00023055 the dali kingdom uby9xPnqLfo-00089-00023056-00023303 and male main the main uby9xPnqLfo-00090-00023304-00023486 chinese kingdom but uby9xPnqLfo-00091-00023487-00023799 also uh between china and india and uby9xPnqLfo-00092-00023800-00024039 tibet and southeast asia uby9xPnqLfo-00093-00024040-00024247 so bridging also uby9xPnqLfo-00094-00024248-00024511 barriers that are often linguistic uby9xPnqLfo-00095-00024512-00024622 um uby9xPnqLfo-00096-00024623-00024735 her uby9xPnqLfo-00097-00024736-00024967 first work of her dissociation has uby9xPnqLfo-00098-00024968-00025294 become her first monograph uby9xPnqLfo-00099-00025295-00025542 entitled so i'm very bad with titles uby9xPnqLfo-00100-00025543-00025767 goodness on the frontier religion uby9xPnqLfo-00101-00025768-00026078 ethnicity and gender in southwest china uby9xPnqLfo-00102-00026079-00026231 that has come out from stanford uby9xPnqLfo-00103-00026232-00026383 university press in uby9xPnqLfo-00104-00026383-00026623 2016 uby9xPnqLfo-00105-00026624-00027031 follows a local deity but uby9xPnqLfo-00106-00027032-00027279 in her transformation and uby9xPnqLfo-00107-00027280-00027495 in the in dali buddhism uby9xPnqLfo-00108-00027495-00027590 um uby9xPnqLfo-00109-00027591-00027887 but by doing that she also uby9xPnqLfo-00110-00027888-00028151 traces a number of other deities that uby9xPnqLfo-00111-00028152-00028295 are important in the area that are uby9xPnqLfo-00112-00028295-00028439 important across uby9xPnqLfo-00113-00028439-00028607 um across uby9xPnqLfo-00114-00028608-00028783 different uby9xPnqLfo-00115-00028783-00029007 regions uby9xPnqLfo-00116-00029008-00029102 one uby9xPnqLfo-00117-00029104-00029262 which is very important uby9xPnqLfo-00118-00029263-00029358 for us uby9xPnqLfo-00119-00029360-00029711 mahakala as well and as many of my uby9xPnqLfo-00120-00029712-00029902 students in past years have uby9xPnqLfo-00121-00029904-00030087 uh have been uby9xPnqLfo-00122-00030088-00030302 benefited and take advantage of uby9xPnqLfo-00123-00030303-00030583 her specific studies on mahakala in east uby9xPnqLfo-00124-00030583-00030774 asia that's a very uby9xPnqLfo-00125-00030775-00031111 understudied subject uby9xPnqLfo-00126-00031112-00031367 i was saying that uby9xPnqLfo-00127-00031368-00031551 dr bryson is a researcher crosses the uby9xPnqLfo-00128-00031552-00031751 borders but also crosses into uby9xPnqLfo-00129-00031752-00031983 methodological borders uby9xPnqLfo-00130-00031983-00032351 since her work looks at both uby9xPnqLfo-00131-00032352-00032670 textual material uh material culture uby9xPnqLfo-00132-00032672-00033039 and um and chosen extensive field work uby9xPnqLfo-00133-00033040-00033183 um uby9xPnqLfo-00134-00033184-00033462 when it was possible in in the area so uby9xPnqLfo-00135-00033463-00033615 also ethnographic uby9xPnqLfo-00136-00033616-00033735 material uby9xPnqLfo-00137-00033736-00033862 um that uby9xPnqLfo-00138-00033863-00034071 follows um uby9xPnqLfo-00139-00034072-00034327 the the topic of her uby9xPnqLfo-00140-00034328-00034502 uh attention in this case for instance uby9xPnqLfo-00141-00034503-00034671 of the deity uby9xPnqLfo-00142-00034672-00035023 up to the 21st century uby9xPnqLfo-00143-00035024-00035343 um uby9xPnqLfo-00144-00035344-00035543 what we will we will hear about more uby9xPnqLfo-00145-00035544-00035887 about um her research on the uh ritual uby9xPnqLfo-00146-00035888-00036102 text especially the ritual text uby9xPnqLfo-00147-00036103-00036287 um in dali kingdom tomorrow in the uby9xPnqLfo-00148-00036288-00036502 seminar um and this will be really uby9xPnqLfo-00149-00036503-00036807 interesting for uh those of you um those uby9xPnqLfo-00150-00036808-00036895 of us uby9xPnqLfo-00151-00036896-00037055 uh who are interested in esoteric uby9xPnqLfo-00152-00037056-00037462 buddhism uh since these texts are um uby9xPnqLfo-00153-00037463-00037751 are are using esoteric patterns and it's uby9xPnqLfo-00154-00037752-00037895 also very interesting to see them in uby9xPnqLfo-00155-00037896-00038207 relation to a song period a chinese uby9xPnqLfo-00156-00038208-00038367 buddhism that is uby9xPnqLfo-00157-00038368-00038671 very often depicted as not uby9xPnqLfo-00158-00038672-00038918 being interested in esoteric buddhism uby9xPnqLfo-00159-00038919-00039046 but tonight uby9xPnqLfo-00160-00039047-00039271 she's going to talk to us uby9xPnqLfo-00161-00039272-00039535 about a different topic which is a part uby9xPnqLfo-00162-00039536-00039718 of our current project uby9xPnqLfo-00163-00039719-00039871 um uby9xPnqLfo-00164-00039872-00040183 that continues uh both methodologically uby9xPnqLfo-00165-00040184-00040351 and uh in terms of attention to the uby9xPnqLfo-00166-00040352-00040718 daily kingdom uh previous work uby9xPnqLfo-00167-00040719-00041111 and uh uh and looks at uby9xPnqLfo-00168-00041112-00041215 what a uby9xPnqLfo-00169-00041216-00041399 plans to look at buddhist material uby9xPnqLfo-00170-00041400-00041830 culture along the southern silk road uby9xPnqLfo-00171-00041831-00042023 um so um uby9xPnqLfo-00172-00042024-00042295 going again from the transformation or uby9xPnqLfo-00173-00042296-00042502 maybe the relation the links that uby9xPnqLfo-00174-00042503-00042846 specific objects have um across much of uby9xPnqLfo-00175-00042847-00042999 asia uby9xPnqLfo-00176-00043000-00043230 so without further ado i think i should uby9xPnqLfo-00177-00043231-00043511 leave at the floor to dr bryson so uby9xPnqLfo-00178-00043512-00043807 please join me to welcome uby9xPnqLfo-00179-00043808-00043935 megan breson uby9xPnqLfo-00180-00043936-00044199 on the stage here to us to speak about uby9xPnqLfo-00181-00044200-00044423 dallys daggers with this material uby9xPnqLfo-00182-00044424-00044774 culture on the southern silk road uby9xPnqLfo-00183-00044775-00045430 thank you uby9xPnqLfo-00184-00045431-00045630 i'd like to start by thanking the robert uby9xPnqLfo-00185-00045631-00045887 h n ho family foundation for sponsoring uby9xPnqLfo-00186-00045888-00046087 this lecture series i'd also like to uby9xPnqLfo-00187-00046088-00046271 thank everyone at soaz especially uby9xPnqLfo-00188-00046272-00046511 stephanie trevonyan and lucia uby9xPnqLfo-00189-00046512-00046727 for inviting me to speak and organizing uby9xPnqLfo-00190-00046728-00046958 this visit and thank you to all of you uby9xPnqLfo-00191-00046959-00047215 for attending i hope it proves worthy of uby9xPnqLfo-00192-00047216-00047718 your time and attention uby9xPnqLfo-00193-00047719-00048046 in 1925 an earthquake struck the dali uby9xPnqLfo-00194-00048047-00048223 region of southwest china's yunnan uby9xPnqLfo-00195-00048224-00048479 province shaking loose the spire atop uby9xPnqLfo-00196-00048480-00048735 thousand league pagoda and sending a few uby9xPnqLfo-00197-00048736-00048951 of the pagodas buddhist figures tumbling uby9xPnqLfo-00198-00048952-00049207 to the ground uby9xPnqLfo-00199-00049208-00049535 over 50 years later in 1978 a team of uby9xPnqLfo-00200-00049536-00049790 archaeologists embarked on a restoration uby9xPnqLfo-00201-00049791-00050030 of the pagoda whereupon they discovered uby9xPnqLfo-00202-00050031-00050286 a cache of treasures inside uby9xPnqLfo-00203-00050287-00050471 thousand league pagoda was sealed uby9xPnqLfo-00204-00050472-00050639 shortly after the fall of the dali uby9xPnqLfo-00205-00050640-00050846 kingdom and the pagoda's cache uby9xPnqLfo-00206-00050847-00051062 constitutes the treasures of the dali uby9xPnqLfo-00207-00051063-00051326 court uby9xPnqLfo-00208-00051327-00051550 several small daggers number among the uby9xPnqLfo-00209-00051551-00051735 hundreds of items recovered from the uby9xPnqLfo-00210-00051736-00051846 pagoda uby9xPnqLfo-00211-00051847-00052014 the few scholars who have written about uby9xPnqLfo-00212-00052015-00052199 these daggers recognize them as uby9xPnqLfo-00213-00052200-00052430 variations on the pegs or daggers known uby9xPnqLfo-00214-00052432-00052663 as kila in sanskrit and prabha in uby9xPnqLfo-00215-00052664-00052782 tibetan uby9xPnqLfo-00216-00052783-00052999 most surviving proba hail from tibetan uby9xPnqLfo-00217-00053000-00053207 and nepalese regions and date to the uby9xPnqLfo-00218-00053208-00053463 14th century at the earliest uby9xPnqLfo-00219-00053464-00053623 so this means that the dolly daggers uby9xPnqLfo-00220-00053624-00053815 would be among the oldest if not the uby9xPnqLfo-00221-00053816-00054038 oldest excellent examples of these uby9xPnqLfo-00222-00054039-00054271 ritual objects uby9xPnqLfo-00223-00054272-00054503 dolly daggers share many similarities uby9xPnqLfo-00224-00054504-00054807 with their himalayan counterparts uby9xPnqLfo-00225-00054808-00055054 they are bifurcated into a bottom half uby9xPnqLfo-00226-00055055-00055359 that consists of a three faceted blade uby9xPnqLfo-00227-00055360-00055582 and a top half that displays the torso uby9xPnqLfo-00228-00055583-00055782 and head of a deity often with three uby9xPnqLfo-00229-00055783-00056126 faces uby9xPnqLfo-00230-00056127-00056326 uh they also have lotus and vajra uby9xPnqLfo-00231-00056327-00056526 decorations uby9xPnqLfo-00232-00056527-00056726 they use similar if not identical uby9xPnqLfo-00233-00056727-00057007 materials most dolly daggers are made of uby9xPnqLfo-00234-00057008-00057182 gilt bronze or copper but there is at uby9xPnqLfo-00235-00057183-00057430 least one example made of iron most uby9xPnqLfo-00236-00057432-00057647 himalayan praba are made of iron or wood uby9xPnqLfo-00237-00057648-00057823 but there are also examples made of uby9xPnqLfo-00238-00057824-00058038 bronze copper steel or other metal uby9xPnqLfo-00239-00058039-00058182 alloys uby9xPnqLfo-00240-00058183-00058430 however dolly daggers differ in several uby9xPnqLfo-00241-00058432-00058575 ways as well uby9xPnqLfo-00242-00058576-00058782 first they lack several features of uby9xPnqLfo-00243-00058783-00059047 himalayan probably including the handle uby9xPnqLfo-00244-00059048-00059342 usually with eight facets uby9xPnqLfo-00245-00059344-00059535 separating the blade from any deity uby9xPnqLfo-00246-00059536-00059750 image at the top uby9xPnqLfo-00247-00059751-00059982 the two endless knots that often bookend uby9xPnqLfo-00248-00059983-00060175 the handle uby9xPnqLfo-00249-00060176-00060382 the makara head from whose mouth the uby9xPnqLfo-00250-00060383-00060582 blade extends uby9xPnqLfo-00251-00060583-00060847 and the serpents snaking down the sides uby9xPnqLfo-00252-00060848-00061087 of the blade uby9xPnqLfo-00253-00061088-00061311 second dolly daggers have a feature that uby9xPnqLfo-00254-00061312-00061615 himalayan perba lack namely they all uby9xPnqLfo-00255-00061616-00061942 have a ring affixed to the back uby9xPnqLfo-00256-00061944-00062175 third the dolly daggers show greater uby9xPnqLfo-00257-00062176-00062487 consistency whereas himalayan purba can uby9xPnqLfo-00258-00062488-00062726 range in size from small handheld uby9xPnqLfo-00259-00062727-00062999 objects to large fixed objects of uby9xPnqLfo-00260-00063000-00063103 worship uby9xPnqLfo-00261-00063104-00063326 can appear with or without deity heads uby9xPnqLfo-00262-00063327-00063550 and can include different combinations uby9xPnqLfo-00263-00063551-00063838 of vajras lotus blossoms and knots there uby9xPnqLfo-00264-00063839-00064063 are essentially two kinds of dolly uby9xPnqLfo-00265-00064064-00064182 daggers uby9xPnqLfo-00266-00064183-00064406 those that resemble purba and having a uby9xPnqLfo-00267-00064407-00064687 single triangular blade and those that uby9xPnqLfo-00268-00064688-00064942 resemble single pronged vajras in having uby9xPnqLfo-00269-00064944-00065182 two blades joined at the center uby9xPnqLfo-00270-00065183-00065454 the former all include deities most of uby9xPnqLfo-00271-00065455-00065703 who which are making a mudra i'll join uby9xPnqLfo-00272-00065704-00065887 the blade to the deity image with the uby9xPnqLfo-00273-00065888-00066167 lotus blossom ferrule and most feature a uby9xPnqLfo-00274-00066168-00066471 five-pronged vajra atop the deity's head uby9xPnqLfo-00275-00066472-00066655 the latter's two blades can take uby9xPnqLfo-00276-00066656-00066879 slightly different shapes and the center uby9xPnqLfo-00277-00066880-00067150 can include a deity's head or heads they uby9xPnqLfo-00278-00067151-00067350 bear more similarities to the single uby9xPnqLfo-00279-00067351-00067543 pronged vajras that survive from uby9xPnqLfo-00280-00067544-00067967 medieval japan than to himalayan proba uby9xPnqLfo-00281-00067968-00068231 this talk examines the dali daggers to uby9xPnqLfo-00282-00068232-00068438 determine their routes of transmission uby9xPnqLfo-00283-00068439-00068591 and to better understand the uby9xPnqLfo-00284-00068592-00068823 southwestern silk roads that connected uby9xPnqLfo-00285-00068824-00069015 dali to its neighbors uby9xPnqLfo-00286-00069016-00069206 given that the dali kingdom bordered uby9xPnqLfo-00287-00069207-00069519 song china daviet began and come with uby9xPnqLfo-00288-00069520-00069791 pala territory just beyond bagan it had uby9xPnqLfo-00289-00069792-00069950 many possibilities for buddhist uby9xPnqLfo-00290-00069951-00070087 transmission uby9xPnqLfo-00291-00070088-00070303 the historian being young has shown that uby9xPnqLfo-00292-00070304-00070575 key goods such as cowboy shells horses uby9xPnqLfo-00293-00070576-00070838 silver and tea traveled to and from uby9xPnqLfo-00294-00070839-00071087 yunnan along these silk roads uby9xPnqLfo-00295-00071088-00071326 one such route connected chengdu to dali uby9xPnqLfo-00296-00071327-00071543 and then to bagan pali india and uby9xPnqLfo-00297-00071544-00071743 peshawar where it joined the northern uby9xPnqLfo-00298-00071744-00071967 silk road from central asia uby9xPnqLfo-00299-00071968-00072182 another route often called the old tea uby9xPnqLfo-00300-00072183-00072415 and horse route uby9xPnqLfo-00301-00072416-00072735 linked dali north to lijiang gyeotang uby9xPnqLfo-00302-00072736-00073055 deichenzong and lhasa and uby9xPnqLfo-00303-00073056-00073206 empire uby9xPnqLfo-00304-00073207-00073375 considering dali kingdom daggers uby9xPnqLfo-00305-00073376-00073606 alongside tibetan purba and japanese uby9xPnqLfo-00306-00073607-00073862 single-pronged vajras and in relation to uby9xPnqLfo-00307-00073863-00074071 texts from south asia tibet and east uby9xPnqLfo-00308-00074072-00074311 asia will demonstrate how dali court uby9xPnqLfo-00309-00074312-00074535 buddhists encountered and developed uby9xPnqLfo-00310-00074536-00074743 these distinctive daggers along these uby9xPnqLfo-00311-00074744-00074935 southern silk roads uby9xPnqLfo-00312-00074936-00075143 in addition the dali daggers show the uby9xPnqLfo-00313-00075144-00075415 critical importance of material culture uby9xPnqLfo-00314-00075416-00075655 for understanding buddhist transmission uby9xPnqLfo-00315-00075656-00075862 dali kingdom buddhist texts written as uby9xPnqLfo-00316-00075863-00076087 they are mainly in synthetic script uby9xPnqLfo-00317-00076088-00076287 strongly suggest transmission from tong uby9xPnqLfo-00318-00076288-00076550 through song territory but surviving in uby9xPnqLfo-00319-00076551-00076782 objects and images from the dali kingdom uby9xPnqLfo-00320-00076783-00077175 point to other kinds of encounters uby9xPnqLfo-00321-00077176-00077415 unsurprisingly most scholarship on uby9xPnqLfo-00322-00077416-00077638 daggers focuses on himalayan texts and uby9xPnqLfo-00323-00077639-00077831 objects which constitute the vast uby9xPnqLfo-00324-00077832-00078031 majority of material related to this uby9xPnqLfo-00325-00078032-00078143 subject uby9xPnqLfo-00326-00078144-00078367 purba ritual remains an important part uby9xPnqLfo-00327-00078368-00078575 of himalayan buddhism and textual uby9xPnqLfo-00328-00078576-00078767 scholars and art historians alike have uby9xPnqLfo-00329-00078768-00078911 weighed in on the development of uby9xPnqLfo-00330-00078912-00079119 himalayan probably traditions uby9xPnqLfo-00331-00079120-00079303 some scholars have argued that purba are uby9xPnqLfo-00332-00079304-00079535 uniquely himalayan creations that drew uby9xPnqLfo-00333-00079536-00079767 inspiration from index sources while uby9xPnqLfo-00334-00079768-00079919 other scholars argue that himalayan uby9xPnqLfo-00335-00079920-00080038 purba uby9xPnqLfo-00336-00080039-00080294 were in fact based on indic models the uby9xPnqLfo-00337-00080295-00080519 former argument relies on the absence of uby9xPnqLfo-00338-00080520-00080775 surviving kila ritual texts and objects uby9xPnqLfo-00339-00080776-00080991 from south asia but as robert mayer uby9xPnqLfo-00340-00080992-00081271 notes purba texts and objects from tibet uby9xPnqLfo-00341-00081272-00081519 show remarkable continuity with sanskrit uby9xPnqLfo-00342-00081520-00081831 materials on kila and earlier east asian uby9xPnqLfo-00343-00081832-00082055 translations of indic texts describe uby9xPnqLfo-00344-00082056-00082247 kela in similar ways uby9xPnqLfo-00345-00082248-00082471 this suggests that the daggers shared uby9xPnqLfo-00346-00082472-00082703 south asian roots that then branched off uby9xPnqLfo-00347-00082704-00082950 at different times in different regions uby9xPnqLfo-00348-00082951-00083143 earlier material spread to east asia uby9xPnqLfo-00349-00083144-00083318 where it mainly lived on as the single uby9xPnqLfo-00350-00083319-00083511 pronged vajra and slightly later uby9xPnqLfo-00351-00083512-00083687 material ended up in the himalayas and uby9xPnqLfo-00352-00083688-00083806 dunwang uby9xPnqLfo-00353-00083807-00084006 the transmission of buddhism to dali uby9xPnqLfo-00354-00084007-00084255 lies between these two branches both uby9xPnqLfo-00355-00084256-00084494 temporally and geographically so the uby9xPnqLfo-00356-00084495-00084718 dolly daggers may constitute a missing uby9xPnqLfo-00357-00084719-00084879 link of sorts uby9xPnqLfo-00358-00084880-00085094 to understand the significance of dolly uby9xPnqLfo-00359-00085095-00085359 daggers within this range of objects and uby9xPnqLfo-00360-00085360-00085615 texts i will first discuss texts and uby9xPnqLfo-00361-00085616-00085855 objects related to kila in south asia uby9xPnqLfo-00362-00085856-00086071 then perba in the himalayas and then uby9xPnqLfo-00363-00086072-00086318 writings and objects from east asia uby9xPnqLfo-00364-00086319-00086526 before turning to dali and locating the uby9xPnqLfo-00365-00086527-00086726 dali daggers along the southern silk uby9xPnqLfo-00366-00086727-00086999 road uby9xPnqLfo-00367-00087000-00087182 south asian writings on kila can be uby9xPnqLfo-00368-00087183-00087382 traced to the vedas in which the divine uby9xPnqLfo-00369-00087383-00087582 warrior king indra slays the serpent uby9xPnqLfo-00370-00087583-00087806 vritra and pierces the floating mound of uby9xPnqLfo-00371-00087807-00088038 earth releasing living beings and fixing uby9xPnqLfo-00372-00088039-00088199 the earth in place uby9xPnqLfo-00373-00088200-00088415 later pranic literature refers to this uby9xPnqLfo-00374-00088416-00088647 primordial mountain as indra's peg in uby9xPnqLfo-00375-00088648-00088879 drakila and identifies it as mount uby9xPnqLfo-00376-00088880-00089111 mandara which in the mahabharata is the uby9xPnqLfo-00377-00089112-00089359 mountain the gods use to churn the ocean uby9xPnqLfo-00378-00089360-00089591 and extract the ambrosia of immortality uby9xPnqLfo-00379-00089592-00089855 with the help of the serpent vasuki as uby9xPnqLfo-00380-00089856-00090150 the churning rope the kila or indra kila uby9xPnqLfo-00381-00090151-00090391 thus symbolizes the axis mundi and uby9xPnqLfo-00382-00090392-00090599 specifically the meeting of mountain and uby9xPnqLfo-00383-00090600-00090799 water with serpents playing integral uby9xPnqLfo-00384-00090800-00090975 roles uby9xPnqLfo-00385-00090976-00091126 this symbolism relates to the uby9xPnqLfo-00386-00091127-00091326 architectural function of kela and uby9xPnqLfo-00387-00091327-00091623 indrakila as a stabilizing vertical axis uby9xPnqLfo-00388-00091624-00091831 akin to the mountain through which indra uby9xPnqLfo-00389-00091832-00091999 stabilized the earth uby9xPnqLfo-00390-00092000-00092159 treatises on iconography and uby9xPnqLfo-00391-00092160-00092391 architecture describe multiple kinds of uby9xPnqLfo-00392-00092392-00092487 qila uby9xPnqLfo-00393-00092488-00092718 lily da silva notes that an indrakila uby9xPnqLfo-00394-00092719-00092943 with was the peg or bolt around which uby9xPnqLfo-00395-00092944-00093199 artists carved images of deities and she uby9xPnqLfo-00396-00093200-00093343 noted that the indra kilo became uby9xPnqLfo-00397-00093344-00093543 identified with deities and served as an uby9xPnqLfo-00398-00093544-00093759 object of worship itself uby9xPnqLfo-00399-00093760-00093959 mayor cites prescriptions for the use of uby9xPnqLfo-00400-00093960-00094182 kela in the serpent binding rite that uby9xPnqLfo-00401-00094183-00094431 evokes indra's defeat of vritra uby9xPnqLfo-00402-00094432-00094631 before construction can commence the uby9xPnqLfo-00403-00094632-00094831 naga of the site must be found and uby9xPnqLfo-00404-00094832-00095055 stabilized with aquila made of kadira uby9xPnqLfo-00405-00095056-00095287 wood to prevent disturbances uby9xPnqLfo-00406-00095288-00095503 as construction ended another peg or uby9xPnqLfo-00407-00095504-00095711 nail known as the stupiquila was uby9xPnqLfo-00408-00095712-00095935 installed at the top of the structure uby9xPnqLfo-00409-00095936-00096126 directly above the kilo used to begin uby9xPnqLfo-00410-00096127-00096318 construction uby9xPnqLfo-00411-00096319-00096591 the 7th century architectural treatise uby9xPnqLfo-00412-00096592-00096759 manasera gives the following uby9xPnqLfo-00413-00096760-00096943 instructions for the shape of the stoopy uby9xPnqLfo-00414-00096944-00097126 kila which should be made of wood uby9xPnqLfo-00415-00097127-00097391 preferably kadira or iron i've uby9xPnqLfo-00416-00097392-00097591 highlighted the relevant parts of this uby9xPnqLfo-00417-00097592-00097799 description for thinking about the uby9xPnqLfo-00418-00097800-00097999 material objects uby9xPnqLfo-00419-00098000-00098247 so these two kela form an axis within uby9xPnqLfo-00420-00098248-00098479 the structure that mirrors the cosmic uby9xPnqLfo-00421-00098480-00098623 axis mundi uby9xPnqLfo-00422-00098624-00098894 in addition to serving as cosmic axes uby9xPnqLfo-00423-00098895-00099103 kela also demarcated and protected uby9xPnqLfo-00424-00099104-00099350 designated spaces including the funeral uby9xPnqLfo-00425-00099351-00099662 pyre mandala or field uby9xPnqLfo-00426-00099663-00099871 da silva and mare further relate these uby9xPnqLfo-00427-00099872-00100150 kilah to the vedic sacrificial post yupa uby9xPnqLfo-00428-00100151-00100318 that served similar functions as a uby9xPnqLfo-00429-00100319-00100559 vertical axis and which also relates to uby9xPnqLfo-00430-00100560-00100743 the later sacrificial practices uby9xPnqLfo-00431-00100744-00100974 associated with the himalayan prabha uby9xPnqLfo-00432-00100975-00101215 knotted ropes tied sacrificial animals uby9xPnqLfo-00433-00101216-00101431 to the octagonal yupas which were to be uby9xPnqLfo-00434-00101432-00101679 made of kadira wood uby9xPnqLfo-00435-00101680-00101887 south asian buddhists incorporated these uby9xPnqLfo-00436-00101888-00102079 kila and yupa features into their own uby9xPnqLfo-00437-00102080-00102271 cosmology and architecture but with a uby9xPnqLfo-00438-00102272-00102494 twist instead of mount mandara the uby9xPnqLfo-00439-00102495-00102686 buddhist axial mountain of marrow became uby9xPnqLfo-00440-00102688-00102918 identified with the indrakila uby9xPnqLfo-00441-00102919-00103094 many of the written descriptions of kila uby9xPnqLfo-00442-00103095-00103366 and yupa appear in himalayan purba uby9xPnqLfo-00443-00103367-00103534 including the symbolic connections to uby9xPnqLfo-00444-00103535-00103806 nagas and water the octagonal shape and uby9xPnqLfo-00445-00103807-00103982 ties to knots and the roles of uby9xPnqLfo-00446-00103983-00104310 demarcating and protecting ritual spaces uby9xPnqLfo-00447-00104311-00104582 in addition to kila ritual objects the uby9xPnqLfo-00448-00104583-00104830 deity vajra khila likely arose in south uby9xPnqLfo-00449-00104831-00105047 asian buddhism before being incorporated uby9xPnqLfo-00450-00105048-00105302 into himalayan and to a lesser extent uby9xPnqLfo-00451-00105303-00105543 east asian buddhism uby9xPnqLfo-00452-00105544-00105758 vajra khila embodies the qila's power uby9xPnqLfo-00453-00105759-00105934 and later himalayan tradition presents uby9xPnqLfo-00454-00105935-00106110 the god as the dagger's animating uby9xPnqLfo-00455-00106111-00106215 presence uby9xPnqLfo-00456-00106216-00106407 cantwell and mayor point to vajraquela uby9xPnqLfo-00457-00106408-00106695 statues in bengal and java as evidence uby9xPnqLfo-00458-00106696-00106831 for the gods called outside the uby9xPnqLfo-00459-00106832-00107054 himalayas but they note that vajrakhila uby9xPnqLfo-00460-00107055-00107239 remained a subsidiary figure in south uby9xPnqLfo-00461-00107240-00107390 asian buddhism uby9xPnqLfo-00462-00107391-00107615 other deities associated with tequila or uby9xPnqLfo-00463-00107616-00108215 purba share this trajectory vajra kumara uby9xPnqLfo-00464-00108216-00108415 all started out as relatively minor uby9xPnqLfo-00465-00108416-00108566 figures that had been converted to uby9xPnqLfo-00466-00108567-00108783 buddhism from hinduism but around the uby9xPnqLfo-00467-00108783-00108958 late 10th century buddhist texts and uby9xPnqLfo-00468-00108959-00109134 images begin to depict them as more uby9xPnqLfo-00469-00109135-00109351 central deities uby9xPnqLfo-00470-00109352-00109615 the many references tequila in south uby9xPnqLfo-00471-00109616-00109839 asian texts indicate that these pegs or uby9xPnqLfo-00472-00109840-00110071 daggers played critical and widespread uby9xPnqLfo-00473-00110072-00110231 roles in religious ritual from uby9xPnqLfo-00474-00110232-00110431 demarcating protected space to uby9xPnqLfo-00475-00110432-00110654 stabilizing architectural structures to uby9xPnqLfo-00476-00110655-00110927 pinning down potentially harmful forces uby9xPnqLfo-00477-00110928-00111127 despite this apparent ubiquity no uby9xPnqLfo-00478-00111128-00111383 examples of such kilah have survived uby9xPnqLfo-00479-00111383-00111590 perhaps himalayan purba developed as uby9xPnqLfo-00480-00111591-00111831 increasingly ornate ritual objects based uby9xPnqLfo-00481-00111832-00112047 on much simpler south asian precedents uby9xPnqLfo-00482-00112048-00112390 that were not preserved uby9xPnqLfo-00483-00112391-00112599 by the 7th and 8th centuries kila were uby9xPnqLfo-00484-00112600-00112815 well attested in south asian sanskrit uby9xPnqLfo-00485-00112816-00112951 texts even though none have been uby9xPnqLfo-00486-00112952-00113183 discovered in the material record uby9xPnqLfo-00487-00113183-00113407 a similar dynamic continues as buddhists uby9xPnqLfo-00488-00113408-00113623 from the himalayas translated texts uby9xPnqLfo-00489-00113624-00113919 related to these kilah known as perba or uby9xPnqLfo-00490-00113920-00114063 in tibetan uby9xPnqLfo-00491-00114064-00114286 though these texts date to early periods uby9xPnqLfo-00492-00114288-00114519 of himalayan buddhism the oldest extant uby9xPnqLfo-00493-00114520-00114686 daggers from these regions of which i am uby9xPnqLfo-00494-00114688-00114975 aware only date to the 14th century uby9xPnqLfo-00495-00114976-00115166 an overview of early tibetan poor by uby9xPnqLfo-00496-00115167-00115366 ritual texts and the himalayan prabhu uby9xPnqLfo-00497-00115367-00115599 objects will raise various possibilities uby9xPnqLfo-00498-00115600-00115790 for making sense of the relationship uby9xPnqLfo-00499-00115791-00116086 between text and object uby9xPnqLfo-00500-00116088-00116239 kathy cantwell and robert mayer have uby9xPnqLfo-00501-00116240-00116431 pioneered the study of early tibetan uby9xPnqLfo-00502-00116432-00116663 poor bad texts in their investigation of uby9xPnqLfo-00503-00116664-00116895 dunhaun manuscripts on this topic as uby9xPnqLfo-00504-00116896-00117086 well as received texts in the ningmah uby9xPnqLfo-00505-00117088-00117399 canon including the guyasamaja sutra uby9xPnqLfo-00506-00117400-00117615 sorry tantra they date the dunwon uby9xPnqLfo-00507-00117616-00117807 manuscripts to the late 10th to early uby9xPnqLfo-00508-00117808-00117975 11th centuries uby9xPnqLfo-00509-00117976-00118263 given the post 1300 dates of most purba uby9xPnqLfo-00510-00118264-00118583 texts and objects these pre-1300 sources uby9xPnqLfo-00511-00118583-00118766 are particularly valuable for showing uby9xPnqLfo-00512-00118767-00119071 how tibetan prabha practices took shape uby9xPnqLfo-00513-00119072-00119295 as kent and meyer demonstrate early uby9xPnqLfo-00514-00119296-00119534 purba texts do bridge the textual uby9xPnqLfo-00515-00119535-00119790 references from south asian sources the uby9xPnqLfo-00516-00119791-00120015 physical perba from the himalayas and uby9xPnqLfo-00517-00120016-00120231 representations of deities related to uby9xPnqLfo-00518-00120232-00120783 the prabha especially vajra khila aka uby9xPnqLfo-00519-00120783-00121007 tradition classifies proba texts in the uby9xPnqLfo-00520-00121008-00121254 mahayoga category can't well mayor uby9xPnqLfo-00521-00121255-00121439 connect the rise of mahayoga texts in uby9xPnqLfo-00522-00121440-00121647 8th century tibet to the myth of taming uby9xPnqLfo-00523-00121648-00121934 rudra which justifies tantric violence uby9xPnqLfo-00524-00121935-00122143 in this myth the violent god rudra and uby9xPnqLfo-00525-00122144-00122351 emanation of shiva cannot be tamed uby9xPnqLfo-00526-00122352-00122590 peacefully so the buddhist deity haruka uby9xPnqLfo-00527-00122591-00122766 kills him and then brings him back to uby9xPnqLfo-00528-00122767-00123023 life as a protector of the dharma uby9xPnqLfo-00529-00123024-00123239 two early texts from the nigma old uby9xPnqLfo-00530-00123240-00123463 tundra canon structure the purba right uby9xPnqLfo-00531-00123464-00123686 around this narrative such that purba uby9xPnqLfo-00532-00123688-00123878 become the instrument of liberative uby9xPnqLfo-00533-00123879-00124007 killing uby9xPnqLfo-00534-00124008-00124231 liberative killing justifies violence by uby9xPnqLfo-00535-00124232-00124366 framing it as an ultimately uby9xPnqLfo-00536-00124367-00124583 compassionate act that transforms uby9xPnqLfo-00537-00124583-00124863 ignorance into awakening in the purba uby9xPnqLfo-00538-00124864-00125119 rite the effigy is rudra and the purba uby9xPnqLfo-00539-00125120-00125407 itself is haruka or vajra khila or a uby9xPnqLfo-00540-00125408-00125647 double such as vajra kumara uby9xPnqLfo-00541-00125648-00125919 by using the haruka purba to kill rudra uby9xPnqLfo-00542-00125920-00126078 the practitioner effects rudra's uby9xPnqLfo-00543-00126079-00126286 liberation uby9xPnqLfo-00544-00126288-00126495 these early ningma texts overlap with uby9xPnqLfo-00545-00126496-00126647 some of the purba texts found at uby9xPnqLfo-00546-00126648-00126751 dunhuang uby9xPnqLfo-00547-00126752-00126951 the earliest text on purpa is the late uby9xPnqLfo-00548-00126952-00127158 10th century dunhuang manuscript uby9xPnqLfo-00549-00127159-00127439 peliotibatan 44. uby9xPnqLfo-00550-00127440-00127607 this short text recounts how uby9xPnqLfo-00551-00127608-00127814 padmasambhava and his disciples uby9xPnqLfo-00552-00127815-00128054 journeyed from nepal to nalanda to uby9xPnqLfo-00553-00128055-00128271 retrieve a purba text uby9xPnqLfo-00554-00128272-00128519 their journeys between nepal and nalanda uby9xPnqLfo-00555-00128520-00128695 involved the subjugation of four uby9xPnqLfo-00556-00128696-00128934 goddesses and a vision of the god vajra uby9xPnqLfo-00557-00128935-00129047 kumara uby9xPnqLfo-00558-00129048-00129319 the text also includes practices to uby9xPnqLfo-00559-00129320-00129575 affect awareness of non-duality which is uby9xPnqLfo-00560-00129576-00129751 achieved specifically by rolling the uby9xPnqLfo-00561-00129752-00129999 purba between one's palms and performing uby9xPnqLfo-00562-00130000-00130183 the following visualization which i've uby9xPnqLfo-00563-00130183-00130407 included on this slide with some of the uby9xPnqLfo-00564-00130408-00130799 the key characteristics in red uby9xPnqLfo-00565-00130800-00131054 as cantwell and mayer observe this text uby9xPnqLfo-00566-00131055-00131319 connects to later probatex and objects uby9xPnqLfo-00567-00131320-00131623 in several ways it presents vajra kumara uby9xPnqLfo-00568-00131624-00131895 as the main deity associated with purba uby9xPnqLfo-00569-00131896-00132102 and further associates the probab with uby9xPnqLfo-00570-00132103-00132319 the class of haruka deities uby9xPnqLfo-00571-00132320-00132471 it identifies the probable with mount uby9xPnqLfo-00572-00132472-00132695 meru describes the practice of rolling uby9xPnqLfo-00573-00132696-00132927 the purba in one's palms and hints at uby9xPnqLfo-00574-00132928-00133127 several features of himalayan purba uby9xPnqLfo-00575-00133128-00133319 objects such as the two naughts and uby9xPnqLfo-00576-00133320-00133471 eight spokes uby9xPnqLfo-00577-00133472-00133751 additional dunwang per manuscript expand uby9xPnqLfo-00578-00133752-00133966 on these themes especially in describing uby9xPnqLfo-00579-00133967-00134127 the ritual of using purbat for uby9xPnqLfo-00580-00134128-00134295 liberative killing uby9xPnqLfo-00581-00134296-00134535 for example the text titled the supreme uby9xPnqLfo-00582-00134536-00134719 pacification the concise enlightened uby9xPnqLfo-00583-00134720-00134911 activity of transference present uby9xPnqLfo-00584-00134912-00135102 prescribes per bar rights to pacify uby9xPnqLfo-00585-00135103-00135271 those who cannot be subjugated through uby9xPnqLfo-00586-00135272-00135502 non-violent methods i'll briefly present uby9xPnqLfo-00587-00135503-00135631 the sections that relate to the uby9xPnqLfo-00588-00135632-00135790 appearance and ritual functions of the uby9xPnqLfo-00589-00135791-00135927 probot uby9xPnqLfo-00590-00135928-00136159 so first the text pres prescribes the uby9xPnqLfo-00591-00136160-00136366 materials and features of the purba uby9xPnqLfo-00592-00136367-00136566 object it should be made of iron five uby9xPnqLfo-00593-00136567-00136735 other kinds of metal sandalwood or uby9xPnqLfo-00594-00136736-00136966 thorny wood eight to twelve inches in uby9xPnqLfo-00595-00136967-00137183 length should have two one-inch knots uby9xPnqLfo-00596-00137184-00137343 the upper part should have eight facets uby9xPnqLfo-00597-00137344-00137535 the lower part a three-sided blade and uby9xPnqLfo-00598-00137536-00137751 the perba should be imposing like mount uby9xPnqLfo-00599-00137752-00137878 meru uby9xPnqLfo-00600-00137879-00138143 in another section the text identifies uby9xPnqLfo-00601-00138144-00138351 five deities emanating from the syllable uby9xPnqLfo-00602-00138352-00138599 whom at the dagger's tip haruka in the uby9xPnqLfo-00603-00138600-00138831 center triloquia vijaya in the east uby9xPnqLfo-00604-00138832-00139063 yamantika in the south hayagriva in the uby9xPnqLfo-00605-00139064-00139335 west and mahakala in the north these uby9xPnqLfo-00606-00139336-00139511 deities will be important when we uby9xPnqLfo-00607-00139512-00139759 eventually arrive in dali uby9xPnqLfo-00608-00139760-00139975 after reciting these deities mantras and uby9xPnqLfo-00609-00139976-00140175 making samaya offerings to them the uby9xPnqLfo-00610-00140176-00140447 practitioner realizes non-duality uby9xPnqLfo-00611-00140448-00140743 the text also describes the purba deity uby9xPnqLfo-00612-00140744-00140959 above the waist his hair stands on end uby9xPnqLfo-00613-00140960-00141199 his three eyes glare and he bears his uby9xPnqLfo-00614-00141200-00141454 fangs skulls and snakes adorn him and uby9xPnqLfo-00615-00141455-00141766 cremation fire engulfs him his forearms uby9xPnqLfo-00616-00141767-00142047 hold an axe kadvanga or skull staff uby9xPnqLfo-00617-00142048-00142239 vajra and purba uby9xPnqLfo-00618-00142240-00142471 below the waist his body is a dark blue uby9xPnqLfo-00619-00142472-00142711 three-sided iron purba uby9xPnqLfo-00620-00142712-00142902 as we will see this image appears in uby9xPnqLfo-00621-00142903-00143095 some of the earliest known himalayan uby9xPnqLfo-00622-00143096-00143190 prabha uby9xPnqLfo-00623-00143191-00143399 and it also happens to resemble the dali uby9xPnqLfo-00624-00143400-00143623 daggers uby9xPnqLfo-00625-00143624-00143839 lastly this text prescribes a few uby9xPnqLfo-00626-00143840-00144095 different ritual uses for purba the uby9xPnqLfo-00627-00144096-00144278 practitioner establishes and protects uby9xPnqLfo-00628-00144279-00144502 the ritual space using ten kurba that uby9xPnqLfo-00629-00144503-00144759 are consecrated as ten wrathful deities uby9xPnqLfo-00630-00144760-00144887 then the practitioner creates a uby9xPnqLfo-00631-00144888-00145095 triangular mandala in an appropriate uby9xPnqLfo-00632-00145096-00145319 place such as a cemetery and makes an uby9xPnqLfo-00633-00145320-00145614 effigy using human ashes or black sesame uby9xPnqLfo-00634-00145615-00145790 the practitioner summons the ritual's uby9xPnqLfo-00635-00145791-00146023 target into the effigy rolls the purba uby9xPnqLfo-00636-00146024-00146231 between their palms and then pierces the uby9xPnqLfo-00637-00146232-00146431 effigies heart shoulder thighs and navel uby9xPnqLfo-00638-00146432-00146759 while reciting the vajra claw mantra uby9xPnqLfo-00639-00146760-00146966 prabha texts continued to proliferate in uby9xPnqLfo-00640-00146967-00147159 tibetan buddhism though treated with uby9xPnqLfo-00641-00147160-00147407 some suspicion in one late 11th century uby9xPnqLfo-00642-00147408-00147647 polemic the shakia school adopted purba uby9xPnqLfo-00643-00147648-00147871 ritual and as martin j board has shown uby9xPnqLfo-00644-00147872-00148087 it became a particularly important focus uby9xPnqLfo-00645-00148088-00148271 for the later northern treasure lineage uby9xPnqLfo-00646-00148272-00148431 of terma texts uby9xPnqLfo-00647-00148432-00148614 running parallel to but slightly later uby9xPnqLfo-00648-00148615-00148887 than the proliferation of ritual texts uby9xPnqLfo-00649-00148888-00149095 is the proliferation of probably ritual uby9xPnqLfo-00650-00149096-00149214 objects uby9xPnqLfo-00651-00149215-00149366 um though some scholars previously uby9xPnqLfo-00652-00149367-00149543 identified these daggers as bone uby9xPnqLfo-00653-00149544-00149775 creations indigenous to tibet the wealth uby9xPnqLfo-00654-00149776-00149966 of textual evidence uncovered by uby9xPnqLfo-00655-00149967-00150135 cantwell and mayer suggests indic uby9xPnqLfo-00656-00150136-00150351 precedence uby9xPnqLfo-00657-00150352-00150599 john huntington's 1975 study that uby9xPnqLfo-00658-00150600-00150814 catalogued different types of purba from uby9xPnqLfo-00659-00150815-00151014 different regions remains a valuable uby9xPnqLfo-00660-00151015-00151159 starting point for considering the uby9xPnqLfo-00661-00151160-00151351 relationship between these objects and uby9xPnqLfo-00662-00151352-00151566 the texts that describe them uby9xPnqLfo-00663-00151567-00151743 most of the examples huntington uby9xPnqLfo-00664-00151744-00151943 discusses are much later than the period uby9xPnqLfo-00665-00151944-00152143 under consideration here but there are uby9xPnqLfo-00666-00152144-00152311 hints of temporal and regional uby9xPnqLfo-00667-00152312-00152511 variations that may shed light on the uby9xPnqLfo-00668-00152512-00152783 distinctive daggers of the dali kingdom uby9xPnqLfo-00669-00152784-00152975 the standard handheld purba type uby9xPnqLfo-00670-00152976-00153207 features three blades in a y shape on uby9xPnqLfo-00671-00153208-00153390 the bottom that emerge from a makara's uby9xPnqLfo-00672-00153391-00153583 mouth and taper into a point with uby9xPnqLfo-00673-00153584-00153807 serpent decorations a handle that uby9xPnqLfo-00674-00153808-00154023 usually consists of two endless knots on uby9xPnqLfo-00675-00154024-00154263 either side of an octagonal shaft and on uby9xPnqLfo-00676-00154264-00154511 top the head of the deity dorje purba uby9xPnqLfo-00677-00154512-00154751 vajra khila that has three faces and may uby9xPnqLfo-00678-00154752-00154959 also have a vajra sticking up from the uby9xPnqLfo-00679-00154960-00155078 crown uby9xPnqLfo-00680-00155079-00155302 variations on this theme include lotus uby9xPnqLfo-00681-00155303-00155535 blossoms and or vajra pestles forming uby9xPnqLfo-00682-00155536-00155775 the handle garuda bird mounts or the uby9xPnqLfo-00683-00155776-00155959 handle being replaced entirely by the uby9xPnqLfo-00684-00155960-00156214 upper half of a deity's body uby9xPnqLfo-00685-00156215-00156431 the latter style in which the top half uby9xPnqLfo-00686-00156432-00156639 of the purba is the top half of the uby9xPnqLfo-00687-00156640-00156902 deity's body conforms most closely to uby9xPnqLfo-00688-00156903-00157111 the style of the dolly daggers uby9xPnqLfo-00689-00157112-00157311 the first example huntington gives of uby9xPnqLfo-00690-00157312-00157471 this style also happened to be the uby9xPnqLfo-00691-00157472-00157743 earliest example of which he was aware a uby9xPnqLfo-00692-00157744-00157975 sandalwood dagger about 22 centimeters uby9xPnqLfo-00693-00157976-00158207 long probably dating to the 14th century uby9xPnqLfo-00694-00158208-00158414 or earlier with an image of the deity uby9xPnqLfo-00695-00158415-00158623 purba in the kashmiri tibetan style of uby9xPnqLfo-00696-00158624-00158766 that period uby9xPnqLfo-00697-00158767-00158959 huntington deduces that the purba came uby9xPnqLfo-00698-00158960-00159199 from western tibet near ladakh uby9xPnqLfo-00699-00159200-00159414 the deity has three faces and originally uby9xPnqLfo-00700-00159415-00159671 had six arms that they have broken off uby9xPnqLfo-00701-00159672-00159854 he has serpent adornments and his head uby9xPnqLfo-00702-00159855-00160078 is topped with an endless knot uby9xPnqLfo-00703-00160079-00160263 this perba is especially noteworthy for uby9xPnqLfo-00704-00160264-00160471 its rounded blunt blade and the lack of uby9xPnqLfo-00705-00160472-00160719 a makara or any other decorated ferrule uby9xPnqLfo-00706-00160720-00160887 separating the blade from the deity's uby9xPnqLfo-00707-00160888-00161143 torso these features also appear in some uby9xPnqLfo-00708-00161144-00161335 dolly kingdom daggers suggesting a uby9xPnqLfo-00709-00161336-00161543 shared earlier style uby9xPnqLfo-00710-00161544-00161743 huntington observed that this purpose uby9xPnqLfo-00711-00161744-00162007 blade has a line demarcating its lowest uby9xPnqLfo-00712-00162008-00162190 section from the rest which indicated uby9xPnqLfo-00713-00162191-00162359 that the lower part of the blade rested uby9xPnqLfo-00714-00162360-00162590 in a holder protecting it from incense uby9xPnqLfo-00715-00162591-00162695 smoke uby9xPnqLfo-00716-00162696-00162895 this particular purba recalls the uby9xPnqLfo-00717-00162896-00163063 description of the deity probably in the uby9xPnqLfo-00718-00163064-00163247 supreme pacification uby9xPnqLfo-00719-00163248-00163383 which was bifurcated into the uby9xPnqLfo-00720-00163384-00163551 dagger-shaped lower body and the uby9xPnqLfo-00721-00163552-00163838 wrathful deity upper body uby9xPnqLfo-00722-00163839-00164023 a broader point emerges from the uby9xPnqLfo-00723-00164024-00164214 regional characteristics of nepalese uby9xPnqLfo-00724-00164215-00164407 proba which distinguished them from the uby9xPnqLfo-00725-00164408-00164575 tibetan examples uby9xPnqLfo-00726-00164576-00164766 for example prabha from nepal featured uby9xPnqLfo-00727-00164767-00164966 different deities namely the god uby9xPnqLfo-00728-00164967-00165190 vishvarupa sambra and or his consort uby9xPnqLfo-00729-00165191-00165375 papagan uby9xPnqLfo-00730-00165376-00165590 huntington observes that nepalese art uby9xPnqLfo-00731-00165591-00165775 preserved the iconographic conventions uby9xPnqLfo-00732-00165776-00166007 of 8th to 10th cent 8th 9th century uby9xPnqLfo-00733-00166008-00166207 magda which suggests that this style uby9xPnqLfo-00734-00166208-00166399 with a deity torso or body above the uby9xPnqLfo-00735-00166400-00166623 blade represents an early form of these uby9xPnqLfo-00736-00166624-00166726 objects uby9xPnqLfo-00737-00166727-00166911 as amy heller and thomas marcotti have uby9xPnqLfo-00738-00166912-00167151 noted perba in this style cannot be used uby9xPnqLfo-00739-00167152-00167343 for most purba ritual because their uby9xPnqLfo-00740-00167344-00167543 shape and decorations inhibit rolling uby9xPnqLfo-00741-00167544-00167702 between the palms uby9xPnqLfo-00742-00167703-00167895 instead these deity probably would have uby9xPnqLfo-00743-00167896-00168095 been objects of worship that usually uby9xPnqLfo-00744-00168096-00168351 stood in a base or socket uby9xPnqLfo-00745-00168352-00168526 a similar kind of regional purba uby9xPnqLfo-00746-00168527-00168719 tradition may have developed in dali uby9xPnqLfo-00747-00168720-00168863 which would have been farther removed uby9xPnqLfo-00748-00168864-00169054 from the textual bonds linking india uby9xPnqLfo-00749-00169055-00169214 tibet and nepal uby9xPnqLfo-00750-00169215-00169375 the diverse kinds of purba from uby9xPnqLfo-00751-00169376-00169566 different regions indicate that while uby9xPnqLfo-00752-00169567-00169759 many purba objects were made according uby9xPnqLfo-00753-00169760-00169919 to the specifications of tibetan uby9xPnqLfo-00754-00169920-00170102 buddhist texts there were also many uby9xPnqLfo-00755-00170103-00170319 purpa that diverged from at least some uby9xPnqLfo-00756-00170320-00170566 of those textual descriptions uby9xPnqLfo-00757-00170567-00170751 this same question of how people in uby9xPnqLfo-00758-00170752-00170990 different regions translated text purba uby9xPnqLfo-00759-00170991-00171254 into material prabha also arises in the uby9xPnqLfo-00760-00171255-00171463 east asian context where buddhist uby9xPnqLfo-00761-00171464-00171663 translators ritual practitioners and uby9xPnqLfo-00762-00171664-00171847 artists had to figure out what to do uby9xPnqLfo-00763-00171848-00172223 with the term khila uby9xPnqLfo-00764-00172224-00172447 around the time buddhism was introduced uby9xPnqLfo-00765-00172448-00172663 to tibet monks from india and central uby9xPnqLfo-00766-00172664-00172863 asia began transmitting the scriptures uby9xPnqLfo-00767-00172864-00173078 of tantric or esoteric buddhism to tang uby9xPnqLfo-00768-00173079-00173319 china where monastic teams translated uby9xPnqLfo-00769-00173320-00173511 them into synetic script and wrote uby9xPnqLfo-00770-00173512-00173726 commentaries on them during the song uby9xPnqLfo-00771-00173727-00173943 dynasty monks from south asia continued uby9xPnqLfo-00772-00173944-00174119 the project of translating tantric uby9xPnqLfo-00773-00174120-00174326 buddhist texts into synthetic script uby9xPnqLfo-00774-00174327-00174631 although ultimately on a smaller scale uby9xPnqLfo-00775-00174632-00174814 monks from nada through heian japan and uby9xPnqLfo-00776-00174815-00175031 the korean peninsula brought these tong uby9xPnqLfo-00777-00175032-00175231 dynasty translations home and wrote uby9xPnqLfo-00778-00175232-00175407 their own commentaries uby9xPnqLfo-00779-00175408-00175590 japanese records also showed that the uby9xPnqLfo-00780-00175591-00175838 monks kukai and engyou brought back the uby9xPnqLfo-00781-00175839-00176190 ritual objects labeled vajra steaks uby9xPnqLfo-00782-00176191-00176414 another term translators used for these uby9xPnqLfo-00783-00176415-00176711 objects was single pronged pestle uby9xPnqLfo-00784-00176712-00176911 translators additionally transliterated uby9xPnqLfo-00785-00176912-00177143 the name of the deity usually as giliji uby9xPnqLfo-00786-00177144-00177407 lua kilikila and retained the sanskrit uby9xPnqLfo-00787-00177408-00177631 mantras for using the kilah and honoring uby9xPnqLfo-00788-00177632-00177823 vajra khila uby9xPnqLfo-00789-00177824-00178031 the initial set of buddhist texts that uby9xPnqLfo-00790-00178032-00178231 mentioned kela were translated in the uby9xPnqLfo-00791-00178232-00178502 tang dynasty and they include texts uby9xPnqLfo-00792-00178503-00178726 dedicated to deities such as hayagriva uby9xPnqLfo-00793-00178727-00178990 vajra kumara and amrita kundalin which uby9xPnqLfo-00794-00178991-00179287 are also associated with purba ritual uby9xPnqLfo-00795-00179288-00179519 tang texts call for using the kila to uby9xPnqLfo-00796-00179520-00179759 demarcate and protect ritual space and uby9xPnqLfo-00797-00179760-00180078 to actively neutralize harmful forces uby9xPnqLfo-00798-00180079-00180199 for example uby9xPnqLfo-00799-00180200-00180431 the susidi kara sutra whose translation uby9xPnqLfo-00800-00180432-00180578 was supervised by uby9xPnqLfo-00801-00180579-00180838 shubakarasimha lists the vajra steak as uby9xPnqLfo-00802-00180839-00181135 a method for protecting the ritual area uby9xPnqLfo-00803-00181136-00181414 it later gives the vajra steak mantra uby9xPnqLfo-00804-00181415-00181623 and the wrathful kilikila mantra which uby9xPnqLfo-00805-00181624-00181807 i've included here uby9xPnqLfo-00806-00181808-00182047 the susidikara sutra also explains how uby9xPnqLfo-00807-00182048-00182399 to make and empower these objects uby9xPnqLfo-00808-00182400-00182590 so using kadira would uby9xPnqLfo-00809-00182591-00182823 make four stakes one two finger hand uby9xPnqLfo-00810-00182824-00183054 span in size sharpen one end like a uby9xPnqLfo-00811-00183055-00183247 single pronged vajra pestle rub the uby9xPnqLfo-00812-00183248-00183463 stakes with red sandalwood unguent and uby9xPnqLfo-00813-00183464-00183711 then tie a dark red string around them uby9xPnqLfo-00814-00183712-00183895 using the vajra steak seal hold them uby9xPnqLfo-00815-00183896-00184102 with a clenched fist montrify them with uby9xPnqLfo-00816-00184103-00184359 a mantra for the vajra steak 100 times uby9xPnqLfo-00817-00184360-00184519 and drive them into the four corners uby9xPnqLfo-00818-00184520-00184671 with the tip of the steak slightly uby9xPnqLfo-00819-00184672-00184863 visible uby9xPnqLfo-00820-00184864-00185095 in the next chapter on retrieving stolen uby9xPnqLfo-00821-00185096-00185351 ritual items the text presents vajra uby9xPnqLfo-00822-00185352-00185607 stakes as more active ritual tools uby9xPnqLfo-00823-00185608-00185814 rather than passive boundary markers and uby9xPnqLfo-00824-00185815-00185943 protectors uby9xPnqLfo-00825-00185944-00186183 the practitioner is to make a wax effigy uby9xPnqLfo-00826-00186184-00186463 of the thief and then flog the effigy uby9xPnqLfo-00827-00186464-00186711 with a stick and broil it with fire beat uby9xPnqLfo-00828-00186712-00186943 it in various violent ways stab its uby9xPnqLfo-00829-00186944-00187175 limbs with modern thorns in accordance uby9xPnqLfo-00830-00187176-00187407 with the right for vajra steaks rub salt uby9xPnqLfo-00831-00187408-00187623 mixed with black mustard seed oil all uby9xPnqLfo-00832-00187624-00187854 over its body and torment it and inflict uby9xPnqLfo-00833-00187855-00188207 injury on it as you please uby9xPnqLfo-00834-00188208-00188447 we also find three entries related uby9xPnqLfo-00835-00188448-00188631 tequila in the tang monk huelin's uby9xPnqLfo-00836-00188632-00188807 reference work sounds and meaning of all uby9xPnqLfo-00837-00188808-00189063 scriptures these entries show how people uby9xPnqLfo-00838-00189064-00189335 in tang china translated and understood uby9xPnqLfo-00839-00189336-00189478 these objects uby9xPnqLfo-00840-00189479-00189726 the entry for like nailing a stake uby9xPnqLfo-00841-00189727-00190038 defines this term as peg and identifies uby9xPnqLfo-00842-00190039-00190231 the materials that should be used in its uby9xPnqLfo-00843-00190232-00190423 creation uby9xPnqLfo-00844-00190424-00190663 we also learn of a counterfeit stake uby9xPnqLfo-00845-00190664-00190871 that was produced during the time of the uby9xPnqLfo-00846-00190872-00191063 female emperor wu uby9xPnqLfo-00847-00191064-00191263 which may have cast a pall over these uby9xPnqLfo-00848-00191264-00191423 objects uby9xPnqLfo-00849-00191424-00191711 the next entries single prong uby9xPnqLfo-00850-00191712-00191902 and single-pronged pestle are uby9xPnqLfo-00851-00191903-00192095 self-explanatory uby9xPnqLfo-00852-00192096-00192302 hwaylene's entries demonstrate an uby9xPnqLfo-00853-00192303-00192543 understanding of the vajra steak as a uby9xPnqLfo-00854-00192544-00192743 wooden or metal implement used for uby9xPnqLfo-00855-00192744-00192990 nailing and the related single-pronged uby9xPnqLfo-00856-00192991-00193214 pestle as a vajra pestle with only one uby9xPnqLfo-00857-00193215-00193375 spike rather than the common uby9xPnqLfo-00858-00193376-00193678 configuration of three or five spikes uby9xPnqLfo-00859-00193679-00193895 moreover these entries along with other uby9xPnqLfo-00860-00193896-00194135 tongue sources suggest that translators uby9xPnqLfo-00861-00194136-00194383 were not aware of text or objects uby9xPnqLfo-00862-00194384-00194583 related to the three-bladed kilo with an uby9xPnqLfo-00863-00194584-00194814 octagonal shaft as described in sanskrit uby9xPnqLfo-00864-00194815-00195023 sources and rendered in later himalayan uby9xPnqLfo-00865-00195024-00195150 buddhism uby9xPnqLfo-00866-00195151-00195335 however buddhist translation work uby9xPnqLfo-00867-00195336-00195519 continued in the song dynasty when uby9xPnqLfo-00868-00195520-00195719 himalayan prabha texts had begun to uby9xPnqLfo-00869-00195720-00195838 circulate uby9xPnqLfo-00870-00195839-00196054 song translations also engaged with the uby9xPnqLfo-00871-00196055-00196238 more transgressive content that was uby9xPnqLfo-00872-00196239-00196471 developing in south asian tantra for the uby9xPnqLfo-00873-00196472-00196671 killa this meant expanding into more uby9xPnqLfo-00874-00196672-00197014 transgressive substances and purposes uby9xPnqLfo-00875-00197015-00197150 dhanapala's uby9xPnqLfo-00876-00197151-00197326 translation rituals for accomplishing uby9xPnqLfo-00877-00197327-00197590 the great brilliance of vajra incense uby9xPnqLfo-00878-00197591-00197831 illustrates this shift the scripture is uby9xPnqLfo-00879-00197832-00198031 framed as vajrapani's request that the uby9xPnqLfo-00880-00198032-00198214 buddha teach methods to neutralize the uby9xPnqLfo-00881-00198215-00198487 various rakshasas or demons terrorizing uby9xPnqLfo-00882-00198488-00198759 the world in response the buddha adopts uby9xPnqLfo-00883-00198760-00198959 a wrathful form and teaches the mantra uby9xPnqLfo-00884-00198960-00199199 of vajra incense bodhisattva uby9xPnqLfo-00885-00199200-00199383 as well as various rituals for attaining uby9xPnqLfo-00886-00199384-00199487 siddhi uby9xPnqLfo-00887-00199488-00199702 um and this is the the passage related uby9xPnqLfo-00888-00199703-00199847 to making uby9xPnqLfo-00889-00199848-00200054 the vajra steak or aquila uby9xPnqLfo-00890-00200055-00200247 which prescribes the use of human bone uby9xPnqLfo-00891-00200248-00200526 and human blood and then using the stake uby9xPnqLfo-00892-00200527-00200759 to beat maheshwara's head and step on uby9xPnqLfo-00893-00200760-00200966 the god maheshwara uby9xPnqLfo-00894-00200967-00201207 so this passage introduces two new uby9xPnqLfo-00895-00201208-00201431 developments to synthetic texts related uby9xPnqLfo-00896-00201432-00201678 tequila so first it prescribes the use uby9xPnqLfo-00897-00201679-00201887 of human bone and blood which aligns uby9xPnqLfo-00898-00201888-00202031 with the increasingly transgressive uby9xPnqLfo-00899-00202032-00202254 content of the later tantras and second uby9xPnqLfo-00900-00202255-00202438 the ritual for driving away the enemy uby9xPnqLfo-00901-00202439-00202759 evo invokes the myth of haruka defeating uby9xPnqLfo-00902-00202760-00203023 rudra uby9xPnqLfo-00903-00203024-00203238 however despite these textual shifts uby9xPnqLfo-00904-00203239-00203407 that brought east asian understandings uby9xPnqLfo-00905-00203408-00203647 of kila closer to contemporaneous south uby9xPnqLfo-00906-00203648-00203838 asian and himalayan traditions there's uby9xPnqLfo-00907-00203839-00204047 no indication that song dynasty buddhist uby9xPnqLfo-00908-00204048-00204295 transmissions also included kila or uby9xPnqLfo-00909-00204296-00204519 purba as physical objects uby9xPnqLfo-00910-00204520-00204719 therefore the material culture of vajra uby9xPnqLfo-00911-00204720-00204927 stakes or single pronged pestles in east uby9xPnqLfo-00912-00204928-00205094 asia looks very different than the uby9xPnqLfo-00913-00205096-00205486 himalayan praba uby9xPnqLfo-00914-00205487-00205582 evidence uby9xPnqLfo-00915-00205583-00205775 of this material culture mainly survives uby9xPnqLfo-00916-00205776-00205990 from medieval japan but those references uby9xPnqLfo-00917-00205991-00206206 to vajra stakes in kukai and ngyo's uby9xPnqLfo-00918-00206207-00206398 catalogs indicate that these objects uby9xPnqLfo-00919-00206400-00206766 were used in tang china as well uby9xPnqLfo-00920-00206767-00207062 iconographic manuals from medieval japan uby9xPnqLfo-00921-00207063-00207255 include illustrations of stakes and uby9xPnqLfo-00922-00207256-00207455 single pronged pestles that show the uby9xPnqLfo-00923-00207456-00207694 conflation of these objects uby9xPnqLfo-00924-00207696-00207903 for example the 12th century kakuzen's uby9xPnqLfo-00925-00207904-00208127 notes depicts in its stake image a uby9xPnqLfo-00926-00208128-00208334 symmetrical object with a handle from uby9xPnqLfo-00927-00208335-00208623 which two blades extend on either side a uby9xPnqLfo-00928-00208623-00208846 very similar image appears as a single uby9xPnqLfo-00929-00208848-00209055 prong in the great compassionate womb uby9xPnqLfo-00930-00209056-00209255 realm samaya mandala images from ishii uby9xPnqLfo-00931-00209256-00209414 yamadera uby9xPnqLfo-00932-00209415-00209590 several examples of these objects have uby9xPnqLfo-00933-00209591-00209798 survived with the oldest dating to the uby9xPnqLfo-00934-00209800-00210023 heian period uby9xPnqLfo-00935-00210023-00210351 a single uh sorry um uby9xPnqLfo-00936-00210352-00210575 a guilt bronze single pronged vajra from uby9xPnqLfo-00937-00210576-00210727 the late 12th century is almost uby9xPnqLfo-00938-00210728-00210942 identical to the illustration in cox uby9xPnqLfo-00939-00210944-00211158 zen's notes the center of its handle uby9xPnqLfo-00940-00211159-00211358 bulges out slightly and is divided into uby9xPnqLfo-00941-00211359-00211542 four rounded sections each with a double uby9xPnqLfo-00942-00211544-00211687 ring in the center uby9xPnqLfo-00943-00211688-00211855 on each side of this are two sets of uby9xPnqLfo-00944-00211856-00212046 lotus blossoms that each touch at their uby9xPnqLfo-00945-00212048-00212310 base the short four-sided bases of the uby9xPnqLfo-00946-00212311-00212542 vajra's blades extend from these lotuses uby9xPnqLfo-00947-00212544-00212727 the blades also have four sides but each uby9xPnqLfo-00948-00212728-00212879 side has a ridge in the middle giving uby9xPnqLfo-00949-00212880-00213127 the impression of an eight-sided blade uby9xPnqLfo-00950-00213128-00213375 this overview of east asian vajra stakes uby9xPnqLfo-00951-00213376-00213575 and single pronged vajra pestles uby9xPnqLfo-00952-00213576-00213758 illustrates how a shared textual uby9xPnqLfo-00953-00213759-00213927 tradition can generate very different uby9xPnqLfo-00954-00213928-00214079 material culture uby9xPnqLfo-00955-00214080-00214294 in east asia the translations of kela uby9xPnqLfo-00956-00214296-00214494 into synthetic script and descriptions uby9xPnqLfo-00957-00214496-00214703 of the objects led people to understand uby9xPnqLfo-00958-00214704-00214919 them as single pronged vajra pestles uby9xPnqLfo-00959-00214919-00215151 rather than triangular stakes uby9xPnqLfo-00960-00215152-00215334 east asian buddhists treated these uby9xPnqLfo-00961-00215335-00215534 single pronged vajra pestles as valuable uby9xPnqLfo-00962-00215535-00215742 ritual objects along the model of the uby9xPnqLfo-00963-00215744-00215967 multi-pronged vajra pestles that survive uby9xPnqLfo-00964-00215967-00216191 in much greater numbers uby9xPnqLfo-00965-00216192-00216406 so having examined the trajectories of uby9xPnqLfo-00966-00216407-00216598 the kila in the material and textual uby9xPnqLfo-00967-00216600-00216767 buddhist culture of the himalayas and uby9xPnqLfo-00968-00216767-00216991 east asia i now turn to the central uby9xPnqLfo-00969-00216992-00217215 question of this talk namely how do uby9xPnqLfo-00970-00217216-00217446 dolly kingdom daggers further illuminate uby9xPnqLfo-00971-00217448-00217639 the transmission of material culture uby9xPnqLfo-00972-00217640-00217815 along the silk roads uby9xPnqLfo-00973-00217816-00218023 the dali kingdom pagoda cash preserves uby9xPnqLfo-00974-00218023-00218255 both daggers that resemble purba and uby9xPnqLfo-00975-00218256-00218415 those that resemble the single pronged uby9xPnqLfo-00976-00218416-00218694 vajras of east asia it thus suggests a uby9xPnqLfo-00977-00218696-00218871 point of contact between the two uby9xPnqLfo-00978-00218871-00219327 trajectories considered thus far uby9xPnqLfo-00979-00219328-00219567 the dali kingdom ruled a large swath of uby9xPnqLfo-00980-00219567-00219758 land that encompassed all of present-day uby9xPnqLfo-00981-00219759-00219951 yunnan province parts of sichuan and uby9xPnqLfo-00982-00219952-00220158 guejo provinces and parts of burma and uby9xPnqLfo-00983-00220159-00220255 laos uby9xPnqLfo-00984-00220256-00220439 understanding the dali kingdom including uby9xPnqLfo-00985-00220440-00220655 its distinctive form of buddhism and its uby9xPnqLfo-00986-00220656-00220879 routes of transmission requires first uby9xPnqLfo-00987-00220880-00221046 understanding a little bit about the uby9xPnqLfo-00988-00221048-00221206 history and religion of the preceding uby9xPnqLfo-00989-00221207-00221358 nanjao kingdom uby9xPnqLfo-00990-00221359-00221542 the hmong rulers of nanjao proved uby9xPnqLfo-00991-00221544-00221751 particularly adept at expanding their uby9xPnqLfo-00992-00221752-00222079 territory by alternating allegiances uby9xPnqLfo-00993-00222080-00222287 to the larger empires on their border uby9xPnqLfo-00994-00222288-00222487 tang china and tibet uby9xPnqLfo-00995-00222488-00222694 after allying with tang china to help uby9xPnqLfo-00996-00222696-00222942 curb tibet's southwestern encroachment uby9xPnqLfo-00997-00222944-00223175 nanja broke with tong to ally with tibet uby9xPnqLfo-00998-00223176-00223567 in 752 then in 794 tired of tibet's uby9xPnqLfo-00999-00223567-00223815 demands nanja reinstated its alliance uby9xPnqLfo-01000-00223816-00224046 with tang china however this alliance uby9xPnqLfo-01001-00224048-00224303 remained fragile as the 9th century saw uby9xPnqLfo-01002-00224304-00224527 frequent non-zhao raids on tang cities uby9xPnqLfo-01003-00224528-00224782 in sichuan and attacks on tang interests uby9xPnqLfo-01004-00224783-00225079 in annam in present-day vietnam uby9xPnqLfo-01005-00225080-00225287 nanjing expansion in the 9th century uby9xPnqLfo-01006-00225288-00225494 coincided with its ruler's adoption of uby9xPnqLfo-01007-00225496-00225758 buddhism among the large-scale buddhist uby9xPnqLfo-01008-00225759-00225958 projects of the 9th century uby9xPnqLfo-01009-00225959-00226127 were the grotto carvings at stone uby9xPnqLfo-01010-00226128-00226287 treasure mountain to the northwest of uby9xPnqLfo-01011-00226288-00226446 the dali plain uby9xPnqLfo-01012-00226448-00226646 the temple for revering the holy one in uby9xPnqLfo-01013-00226648-00226863 the nanjiao capital the temple's uby9xPnqLfo-01014-00226864-00227110 thousand league pagoda and the 899 uby9xPnqLfo-01015-00227111-00227310 illustrated history of nanjao that uby9xPnqLfo-01016-00227311-00227519 recounts in text and images how the uby9xPnqLfo-01017-00227519-00227791 bodhisattva avalokiteshvra introduced uby9xPnqLfo-01018-00227792-00228023 buddhism to the region uby9xPnqLfo-01019-00228023-00228198 one of the patterns we see in the uby9xPnqLfo-01020-00228200-00228406 illustrated history that continues into uby9xPnqLfo-01021-00228407-00228655 the dali kingdom is the combination of uby9xPnqLfo-01022-00228656-00228855 synthetic script including references to uby9xPnqLfo-01023-00228856-00229046 chinese classics images of uby9xPnqLfo-01024-00229048-00229287 avalokitesbura that draw on indian and uby9xPnqLfo-01025-00229288-00229558 southeast asian iconography and esoteric uby9xPnqLfo-01026-00229559-00229727 buddhism uby9xPnqLfo-01027-00229728-00229951 despite nanjao's decades-long alliance uby9xPnqLfo-01028-00229952-00230182 with tibet there are few tibetan records uby9xPnqLfo-01029-00230183-00230431 about nanjao and no tibetan language uby9xPnqLfo-01030-00230432-00230598 materials have been found from either uby9xPnqLfo-01031-00230600-00231142 nanja or the dali kingdom uby9xPnqLfo-01032-00231144-00231375 for a devotion esoteric buddhism and uby9xPnqLfo-01033-00231376-00231567 this combination of synthetic script and uby9xPnqLfo-01034-00231567-00231782 indian iconography continued into the uby9xPnqLfo-01035-00231783-00232031 dali kingdom which was ruled by the duan uby9xPnqLfo-01036-00232032-00232175 family who had served as high ranking uby9xPnqLfo-01037-00232176-00232358 officials under nanjao uby9xPnqLfo-01038-00232359-00232567 the duan rulers like their late nanjiao uby9xPnqLfo-01039-00232567-00232742 counterparts claimed the title of uby9xPnqLfo-01040-00232744-00232919 emperor huangdi uby9xPnqLfo-01041-00232919-00233134 while nanzhao claims of imperial status uby9xPnqLfo-01042-00233135-00233406 had provoked tang wrath the song the uby9xPnqLfo-01043-00233407-00233575 song court adopted a policy of uby9xPnqLfo-01044-00233576-00233782 non-engagement with dali due to the uby9xPnqLfo-01045-00233783-00234046 tongue quagmire in the southwest uby9xPnqLfo-01046-00234048-00234239 however after northern channels for uby9xPnqLfo-01047-00234240-00234439 acquiring horses were cut off by the mid uby9xPnqLfo-01048-00234440-00234679 12th century the sun court looked to uby9xPnqLfo-01049-00234680-00234975 dali for its horses in exchange the dali uby9xPnqLfo-01050-00234976-00235191 court requested books including buddhist uby9xPnqLfo-01051-00235192-00235342 scriptures uby9xPnqLfo-01052-00235344-00235534 overall there are fewer song records uby9xPnqLfo-01053-00235535-00235751 about dali than there are tang records uby9xPnqLfo-01054-00235752-00236023 about nanjao however more materials uby9xPnqLfo-01055-00236023-00236279 survive from the dali kingdom than from uby9xPnqLfo-01056-00236280-00236463 the nanja kingdom and most of these uby9xPnqLfo-01057-00236464-00236694 surviving materials are buddhist uby9xPnqLfo-01058-00236696-00236879 this makes buddhism the best documented uby9xPnqLfo-01059-00236880-00237287 facet of dali kingdom culture uby9xPnqLfo-01060-00237288-00237510 buddhist materials include architectural uby9xPnqLfo-01061-00237511-00237742 structures stone carvings paintings uby9xPnqLfo-01062-00237744-00237951 manuscripts and ritual objects and uby9xPnqLfo-01063-00237952-00238079 statues uby9xPnqLfo-01064-00238080-00238279 most of the latter two categories were uby9xPnqLfo-01065-00238280-00238503 recovered from pagodas and temples in or uby9xPnqLfo-01066-00238504-00238734 near the dali capital uby9xPnqLfo-01067-00238735-00238927 the texts consist uby9xPnqLfo-01068-00238928-00239158 of 33 manuscripts from the capitals uby9xPnqLfo-01069-00239159-00239367 buddha pagoda as well as dharma treasury uby9xPnqLfo-01070-00239367-00239542 temple the family temple of the dong uby9xPnqLfo-01071-00239544-00239742 clan who served as national preceptors uby9xPnqLfo-01072-00239744-00239934 under the dalai kingdom uby9xPnqLfo-01073-00239935-00240158 most of these texts are tongue dynasty uby9xPnqLfo-01074-00240159-00240334 synthetic translations of popular uby9xPnqLfo-01075-00240335-00240542 buddhist scriptures such as the lotus uby9xPnqLfo-01076-00240544-00240758 sutra flower garland sutra and diamond uby9xPnqLfo-01077-00240759-00240879 sutra uby9xPnqLfo-01078-00240880-00241039 dali kingdom buddhists like their uby9xPnqLfo-01079-00241040-00241310 counterparts elsewhere in east asia used uby9xPnqLfo-01080-00241311-00241575 sanskrit for dharani and mantras but not uby9xPnqLfo-01081-00241576-00241710 much else uby9xPnqLfo-01082-00241711-00241879 also like their song dynasty uby9xPnqLfo-01083-00241880-00242134 counterparts dali kingdom buddhists used uby9xPnqLfo-01084-00242135-00242327 nagari's script rather than the earlier uby9xPnqLfo-01085-00242328-00242455 siddham uby9xPnqLfo-01086-00242456-00242687 anagari syllabary survives from dharma uby9xPnqLfo-01087-00242688-00242967 treasury temple and nagari is used for uby9xPnqLfo-01088-00242967-00243230 dharani mantras and bija uby9xPnqLfo-01089-00243231-00243439 some texts include unknown characters uby9xPnqLfo-01090-00243440-00243719 for notations and commentary while some uby9xPnqLfo-01091-00243719-00243942 scholars identify this as a written form uby9xPnqLfo-01092-00243944-00244151 of the bhai language these characters uby9xPnqLfo-01093-00244152-00244351 will require further study to fully uby9xPnqLfo-01094-00244352-00244623 decipher uby9xPnqLfo-01095-00244623-00244823 what sets uh uby9xPnqLfo-01096-00244823-00245039 dolly kingdom buddhist texts apart are uby9xPnqLfo-01097-00245040-00245230 the six ritual texts and one uby9xPnqLfo-01098-00245231-00245430 sub-commentary from the dharma treasury uby9xPnqLfo-01099-00245431-00245623 temple cache that have not been found uby9xPnqLfo-01100-00245623-00245910 elsewhere uby9xPnqLfo-01101-00245911-00246171 the sub-commentary concerns a mogavatras uby9xPnqLfo-01102-00246171-00246382 prajnaparamita scripture for humane uby9xPnqLfo-01103-00246383-00246671 kings to protect their countries uby9xPnqLfo-01104-00246671-00246927 of the six ritual texts uby9xPnqLfo-01105-00246928-00247230 two focus on food distribution uby9xPnqLfo-01106-00247231-00247479 two offer esoteric rituals for inviting uby9xPnqLfo-01107-00247480-00247694 various deities uby9xPnqLfo-01108-00247696-00247942 one is a sadhana text devoted to the god uby9xPnqLfo-01109-00247944-00248119 mahakala uby9xPnqLfo-01110-00248119-00248382 and one is an extended homa consecration uby9xPnqLfo-01111-00248383-00248767 ritual text that centers on vajrasattva uby9xPnqLfo-01112-00248767-00248951 though more research is needed on these uby9xPnqLfo-01113-00248952-00249142 seven texts it is apparent that most of uby9xPnqLfo-01114-00249144-00249342 them draw from genres and texts in uby9xPnqLfo-01115-00249344-00249567 tongue through song china such as water uby9xPnqLfo-01116-00249567-00249815 and land food distribution rituals uby9xPnqLfo-01117-00249816-00250079 and many translations by moga vajra uby9xPnqLfo-01118-00250080-00250303 however they also contain references to uby9xPnqLfo-01119-00250304-00250510 deities or forms of deities that were uby9xPnqLfo-01120-00250511-00250710 not part of tang through song buddhism uby9xPnqLfo-01121-00250711-00250903 or which only played peripheral roles uby9xPnqLfo-01122-00250904-00251127 there such as the god mahakala uby9xPnqLfo-01123-00251128-00251358 dali kingdom texts also use sanskrit uby9xPnqLfo-01124-00251359-00251542 dharani that do not seem to appear uby9xPnqLfo-01125-00251544-00251734 elsewhere and they use distinctive uby9xPnqLfo-01126-00251735-00251887 synthetic translations and uby9xPnqLfo-01127-00251888-00252119 transliterations of sanskrit terms uby9xPnqLfo-01128-00252119-00252423 including kila uby9xPnqLfo-01129-00252423-00252639 kila are mentioned in two dalai kingdom uby9xPnqLfo-01130-00252640-00252894 manuscripts invitation ritual procedures uby9xPnqLfo-01131-00252896-00253103 for general use and ritual procedures uby9xPnqLfo-01132-00253104-00253287 for inviting buddhas bodhisattvas vajra uby9xPnqLfo-01133-00253288-00253446 beings etc uby9xPnqLfo-01134-00253448-00253742 both texts translate kela as single uby9xPnqLfo-01135-00253744-00253942 tooth uby9xPnqLfo-01136-00253944-00254071 suggesting a different route of uby9xPnqLfo-01137-00254071-00254303 transmission for this material than tang uby9xPnqLfo-01138-00254304-00254479 through song china uby9xPnqLfo-01139-00254480-00254703 though both ritual manuals draw directly uby9xPnqLfo-01140-00254704-00254951 from several tongue texts they probably uby9xPnqLfo-01141-00254952-00255158 incorporated other kinds of sources as uby9xPnqLfo-01142-00255159-00255463 well for example kawasaki kazuhiro has uby9xPnqLfo-01143-00255464-00255655 argued that parts of ritual procedures uby9xPnqLfo-01144-00255656-00255839 for inviting buddhist bodhisattvas vajra uby9xPnqLfo-01145-00255840-00256094 beings etc drew from the maya jala uby9xPnqLfo-01146-00256096-00256294 tantras uby9xPnqLfo-01147-00256296-00256527 single tooth only appears once in uby9xPnqLfo-01148-00256528-00256734 invitation ritual procedures for general uby9xPnqLfo-01149-00256735-00256967 use at the very end of the main ritual uby9xPnqLfo-01150-00256967-00257223 text uby9xPnqLfo-01151-00257223-00257430 after receiving consecration from the uby9xPnqLfo-01152-00257431-00257694 buddhas the practitioner next uby9xPnqLfo-01153-00257696-00257934 circumambulates the various protectors uby9xPnqLfo-01154-00257935-00258198 including the three vajra beings hiruka uby9xPnqLfo-01155-00258200-00258430 mighty strength or mahabala and single uby9xPnqLfo-01156-00258431-00258623 tooth kila uby9xPnqLfo-01157-00258623-00258782 afterward the practitioner snaps their uby9xPnqLfo-01158-00258783-00258942 fingers three times uby9xPnqLfo-01159-00258944-00259182 this reference brief though it may be uby9xPnqLfo-01160-00259183-00259375 shows connections to haruka and uby9xPnqLfo-01161-00259376-00259598 mahabala's roles in himalayan probably uby9xPnqLfo-01162-00259600-00259815 ritual uby9xPnqLfo-01163-00259816-00260046 similar connections appear uby9xPnqLfo-01164-00260048-00260206 in ritual procedures for inviting uby9xPnqLfo-01165-00260207-00260398 buddhist bodhisattvas vajra beings etc uby9xPnqLfo-01166-00260400-00260630 which is a long compendium of rituals to uby9xPnqLfo-01167-00260631-00261055 invite a variety of powerful beings uby9xPnqLfo-01168-00261056-00261246 ritual procedures for inviting buddhas uby9xPnqLfo-01169-00261248-00261487 bodhisattvas vajra beings etc prescribes uby9xPnqLfo-01170-00261488-00261806 the single tooth mantra and mudra 31 uby9xPnqLfo-01171-00261807-00262158 times across several of its sections uby9xPnqLfo-01172-00262159-00262430 in three places the text gives versions uby9xPnqLfo-01173-00262431-00262615 of the following mantra in synthetic uby9xPnqLfo-01174-00262616-00263015 transcription and or nagari's script uby9xPnqLfo-01175-00263016-00263182 which indicates a common source with the uby9xPnqLfo-01176-00263183-00263343 tongue translations that render the uby9xPnqLfo-01177-00263344-00263519 mantra in similar ways but with uby9xPnqLfo-01178-00263520-00263655 different synthetic uby9xPnqLfo-01179-00263656-00263927 characters when it's transliterated uby9xPnqLfo-01180-00263928-00264087 these variations in the synthetic uby9xPnqLfo-01181-00264088-00264303 characters and translation suggest that uby9xPnqLfo-01182-00264304-00264495 dolly kingdom buddhists were working uby9xPnqLfo-01183-00264496-00264663 with either alternative synthetic uby9xPnqLfo-01184-00264664-00264863 translations or from manuscripts in uby9xPnqLfo-01185-00264864-00265030 other languages uby9xPnqLfo-01186-00265031-00265215 one of the sections of the invitation uby9xPnqLfo-01187-00265216-00265527 rituals text that includes the kilik uby9xPnqLfo-01188-00265528-00265927 mantra is dedicated to the white vajra uby9xPnqLfo-01189-00265928-00266143 this section also includes the texts uby9xPnqLfo-01190-00266144-00266415 only use of the character steak uby9xPnqLfo-01191-00266416-00266615 in the name humkara steak one of the uby9xPnqLfo-01192-00266616-00267055 deities of a white vajra's mandala uby9xPnqLfo-01193-00267056-00267215 as we see in the full translation of uby9xPnqLfo-01194-00267216-00267463 this passage umkara's steak happens to uby9xPnqLfo-01195-00267464-00267719 appear alongside the gods vajra hiruka uby9xPnqLfo-01196-00267720-00267943 and vajra kundali on a triangular uby9xPnqLfo-01197-00267944-00268087 mandala uby9xPnqLfo-01198-00268088-00268303 triangular mandalas are commonly used in uby9xPnqLfo-01199-00268304-00268527 tibetan purba rites which describe them uby9xPnqLfo-01200-00268528-00268719 as prisons for the harmful forces uby9xPnqLfo-01201-00268720-00268910 targeted in the ritual uby9xPnqLfo-01202-00268911-00269127 the dali kingdom ritual text does not uby9xPnqLfo-01203-00269128-00269334 explicitly state this but it does uby9xPnqLfo-01204-00269335-00269830 describe the triangular altar as follows uby9xPnqLfo-01205-00269831-00269999 in the center of the mandala draw three uby9xPnqLfo-01206-00270000-00270247 skulls each encircled by a red serpent uby9xPnqLfo-01207-00270248-00270534 next a gold wheel encircles these next uby9xPnqLfo-01208-00270535-00270751 three corpses form a triangle that uby9xPnqLfo-01209-00270752-00270967 connects around the wheel and skulls uby9xPnqLfo-01210-00270968-00271206 with three black topped gates uby9xPnqLfo-01211-00271207-00271423 on the main side in front of the throne uby9xPnqLfo-01212-00271424-00271695 draw a white syllable om this is haruka uby9xPnqLfo-01213-00271696-00272023 vajra who controls living being's greed uby9xPnqLfo-01214-00272024-00272223 next inside the left gate draw a blue uby9xPnqLfo-01215-00272224-00272391 black syllable am uby9xPnqLfo-01216-00272392-00272534 this is uby9xPnqLfo-01217-00272535-00272815 above who controls living being's anger uby9xPnqLfo-01218-00272816-00273030 next inside the right gate draw a red uby9xPnqLfo-01219-00273031-00273287 syllable off this is kundalini vajra uby9xPnqLfo-01220-00273288-00273510 below who controls living beings uby9xPnqLfo-01221-00273511-00273630 ignorance uby9xPnqLfo-01222-00273631-00273815 the ensuing ritual calls for the uby9xPnqLfo-01223-00273816-00274095 practitioner to manifest greed anger and uby9xPnqLfo-01224-00274096-00274343 ignorance to first identify as these uby9xPnqLfo-01225-00274344-00274615 three vajra beings and then to transform uby9xPnqLfo-01226-00274616-00274871 the three poisons into awareness of true uby9xPnqLfo-01227-00274872-00274999 emptiness uby9xPnqLfo-01228-00275000-00275175 as such it aligns with many of the uby9xPnqLfo-01229-00275176-00275479 themes in tibetan poor by ritual uby9xPnqLfo-01230-00275480-00275655 the manuscript even includes an uby9xPnqLfo-01231-00275656-00275951 illustration of this triangular mandala uby9xPnqLfo-01232-00275952-00276167 which is extremely rare this text only uby9xPnqLfo-01233-00276168-00276423 includes one other illustration uby9xPnqLfo-01234-00276424-00276582 this material from the white vajra uby9xPnqLfo-01235-00276583-00276839 mandala is highly significant first this uby9xPnqLfo-01236-00276840-00277055 mandala ties the invitation rituals uby9xPnqLfo-01237-00277056-00277343 manuscript to the 1170s painting of uby9xPnqLfo-01238-00277344-00277623 buddhist images as we will see shortly uby9xPnqLfo-01239-00277624-00277775 second this section includes a uby9xPnqLfo-01240-00277776-00277967 triangular mandala that is both uby9xPnqLfo-01241-00277968-00278182 described and illustrated in the ritual uby9xPnqLfo-01242-00278183-00278303 text uby9xPnqLfo-01243-00278304-00278567 third this mandala relates to deities uby9xPnqLfo-01244-00278568-00278791 such as haruka and amrita kundalin that uby9xPnqLfo-01245-00278792-00279063 are tied to the perba in tibetan texts uby9xPnqLfo-01246-00279064-00279199 it thus does not seem to be a uby9xPnqLfo-01247-00279200-00279447 coincidence that this manuscript's only uby9xPnqLfo-01248-00279448-00279671 use of the term stake uby9xPnqLfo-01249-00279672-00279927 appears in this section uby9xPnqLfo-01250-00279928-00280103 to appreciate the significance of the uby9xPnqLfo-01251-00280104-00280351 manuscript's mandala illustration let's uby9xPnqLfo-01252-00280352-00280519 look at it next to a frame from the uby9xPnqLfo-01253-00280520-00280671 painting of buddhist images a uby9xPnqLfo-01254-00280672-00280855 court-sponsored project that was uby9xPnqLfo-01255-00280856-00281271 overseen by the painter zhang chong wen uby9xPnqLfo-01256-00281272-00281495 in the the triangular mandala forms the uby9xPnqLfo-01257-00281496-00281703 foundation upon which stands one of the uby9xPnqLfo-01258-00281704-00281934 many wrathful deities that populates the uby9xPnqLfo-01259-00281935-00282143 painting's ladder section uby9xPnqLfo-01260-00282144-00282358 the deity in question uby9xPnqLfo-01261-00282359-00282671 has nine faces 18 arms and three legs uby9xPnqLfo-01262-00282672-00282847 and black wing feathers and tail uby9xPnqLfo-01263-00282848-00283047 feathers are visible behind his benny uby9xPnqLfo-01264-00283048-00283230 limbs and implements uby9xPnqLfo-01265-00283231-00283463 matsumoto moritaka originally identified uby9xPnqLfo-01266-00283464-00283671 this figure as a garuda king uby9xPnqLfo-01267-00283672-00283855 however given the connections to the uby9xPnqLfo-01268-00283856-00284110 white vajra part of the ritual text it uby9xPnqLfo-01269-00284111-00284287 seems more likely that this figure is a uby9xPnqLfo-01270-00284288-00284558 haruka deity with garuda features such uby9xPnqLfo-01271-00284559-00284727 deities appear in the ningmah school uby9xPnqLfo-01272-00284728-00284895 where they are closely associated with uby9xPnqLfo-01273-00284896-00285087 purba practices uby9xPnqLfo-01274-00285088-00285279 while heruka deities usually have three uby9xPnqLfo-01275-00285280-00285479 heads six arms and four legs there are uby9xPnqLfo-01276-00285480-00285679 some garuda deities with nine heads and uby9xPnqLfo-01277-00285680-00285854 eighteen arms though often still with uby9xPnqLfo-01278-00285855-00286006 four legs uby9xPnqLfo-01279-00286007-00286247 um the winged figure in frame uby9xPnqLfo-01280-00286248-00286527 118 of the painting of buddhist images uby9xPnqLfo-01281-00286528-00286727 happens to appear near the figure in uby9xPnqLfo-01282-00286728-00287039 frame 116 who holds a multi-pronged uby9xPnqLfo-01283-00287040-00287319 vajra in his top right hand as albert uby9xPnqLfo-01284-00287320-00287599 lutz noted a very similar guilt bronze uby9xPnqLfo-01285-00287600-00287823 statue of a wrathful deity was found in uby9xPnqLfo-01286-00287824-00288023 thousand league pagoda this statue uby9xPnqLfo-01287-00288024-00288175 appears to hold a dagger or uby9xPnqLfo-01288-00288176-00288358 single-pronged vajra uby9xPnqLfo-01289-00288359-00288479 in his uby9xPnqLfo-01290-00288480-00288654 top right hand uby9xPnqLfo-01291-00288655-00288815 so these images uby9xPnqLfo-01292-00288816-00289023 finally bring us to our central focus uby9xPnqLfo-01293-00289024-00289543 the the dolly daggers themselves uby9xPnqLfo-01294-00289544-00289775 daggers from dali resembling purba or uby9xPnqLfo-01295-00289776-00289991 single pronged vajras occasionally pop uby9xPnqLfo-01296-00289992-00290206 up in catalogs of museum exhibits or uby9xPnqLfo-01297-00290207-00290406 auctions but few scholars have paid much uby9xPnqLfo-01298-00290407-00290543 attention to them uby9xPnqLfo-01299-00290544-00290727 albert lutz gave an overview of these uby9xPnqLfo-01300-00290728-00290975 objects in the 1991 dare gold shots to a uby9xPnqLfo-01301-00290976-00291182 dry pagoden in which he presciently uby9xPnqLfo-01302-00291183-00291423 suggested that dolly daggers support the uby9xPnqLfo-01303-00291424-00291639 theory that purba originated in india uby9xPnqLfo-01304-00291640-00291879 and then spread north and east uby9xPnqLfo-01305-00291880-00292054 it is difficult to determine the total uby9xPnqLfo-01306-00292055-00292230 number of daggers and single pronged uby9xPnqLfo-01307-00292231-00292439 vajras from thousand league pagoda uby9xPnqLfo-01308-00292440-00292582 because both are included in the uby9xPnqLfo-01309-00292583-00292806 excavation report's vajra pestle uby9xPnqLfo-01310-00292807-00293151 category which contained 213 objects of uby9xPnqLfo-01311-00293152-00293415 these 213 vajra pestles most were uby9xPnqLfo-01312-00293416-00293654 multi-pronged double-headed vajra uby9xPnqLfo-01313-00293655-00293854 pestles attached to the ring in the uby9xPnqLfo-01314-00293855-00293958 center uby9xPnqLfo-01315-00293959-00294167 i know of about eight dali kingdom per uby9xPnqLfo-01316-00294168-00294399 bus style daggers and only a few single uby9xPnqLfo-01317-00294400-00294615 pronged vajras but there are undoubtedly uby9xPnqLfo-01318-00294616-00294815 more examples in private collections and uby9xPnqLfo-01319-00294816-00295230 museums inside and outside of yunnan uby9xPnqLfo-01320-00295231-00295447 the single pronged vajras have received uby9xPnqLfo-01321-00295448-00295599 less attention and there is less uby9xPnqLfo-01322-00295600-00295799 information about their composition and uby9xPnqLfo-01323-00295800-00296039 dimensions however photographs suggest uby9xPnqLfo-01324-00296040-00296191 that they were slightly shorter than the uby9xPnqLfo-01325-00296192-00296439 purba style daggers the perba daggers uby9xPnqLfo-01326-00296440-00296654 range in length from about 11 to 19 uby9xPnqLfo-01327-00296655-00296847 centimeters and are made of copper uby9xPnqLfo-01328-00296848-00297199 bronze gilt bronze and iron uby9xPnqLfo-01329-00297200-00297415 an overview of three dollar kingdom uby9xPnqLfo-01330-00297416-00297599 purba style daggers will further uby9xPnqLfo-01331-00297600-00297799 illuminate their similarities to and uby9xPnqLfo-01332-00297800-00297951 differences from their himalayan uby9xPnqLfo-01333-00297952-00298095 counterparts uby9xPnqLfo-01334-00298096-00298271 one of the most similar examples to uby9xPnqLfo-01335-00298272-00298495 himalayan purba is the only dolly uby9xPnqLfo-01336-00298496-00298719 kingdom per bus style dagger to only uby9xPnqLfo-01337-00298720-00298951 display the deity's head instead of also uby9xPnqLfo-01338-00298952-00299206 including the torso uby9xPnqLfo-01339-00299207-00299495 this bronze dagger is 16.3 centimeters uby9xPnqLfo-01340-00299496-00299727 long with a three faceted blade below a uby9xPnqLfo-01341-00299728-00299887 ring of beads topped with a lotus uby9xPnqLfo-01342-00299888-00299991 blossom uby9xPnqLfo-01343-00299992-00300199 the wrathful three-faced deity sits uby9xPnqLfo-01344-00300200-00300406 above the lotus blossom and a serpent uby9xPnqLfo-01345-00300407-00300615 ring extends from between the two faces uby9xPnqLfo-01346-00300616-00300863 on the sides its faces each have three uby9xPnqLfo-01347-00300864-00301103 eyes and the main face bears upturned uby9xPnqLfo-01348-00301104-00301367 fangs above the deity's head is another uby9xPnqLfo-01349-00301368-00301527 lotus blossom that supports the uby9xPnqLfo-01350-00301528-00301734 five-pronged vajra finial uby9xPnqLfo-01351-00301735-00301887 though i do not know of any himalayan uby9xPnqLfo-01352-00301888-00302079 prabha that correspond perfectly to this uby9xPnqLfo-01353-00302080-00302254 dagger this dagger shows more uby9xPnqLfo-01354-00302255-00302487 similarities to himalayan examples than uby9xPnqLfo-01355-00302488-00302703 any other dali kingdom object uby9xPnqLfo-01356-00302704-00302934 huntington's category of vajra topped uby9xPnqLfo-01357-00302935-00303175 porba comes the closest particularly his uby9xPnqLfo-01358-00303176-00303575 subtype with double lotus handles uby9xPnqLfo-01359-00303576-00303799 a more representative example of dolly uby9xPnqLfo-01360-00303800-00304039 kingdom daggers is this 11 centimeter uby9xPnqLfo-01361-00304040-00304223 long gilt bronze dagger with a uby9xPnqLfo-01362-00304224-00304463 three-faced wrathful deity making the uby9xPnqLfo-01363-00304464-00304719 bodhiagri mudra and a five-pronged vajra uby9xPnqLfo-01364-00304720-00304927 atop the deities crown uby9xPnqLfo-01365-00304928-00305087 the back of the deity features the uby9xPnqLfo-01366-00305088-00305358 common serpentine ring and the uncommon uby9xPnqLfo-01367-00305359-00305615 folded wings which do not appear on uby9xPnqLfo-01368-00305616-00305791 other dolly daggers uby9xPnqLfo-01369-00305792-00306015 the deities bracelet armlets necklace uby9xPnqLfo-01370-00306016-00306239 and crown appear to be somewhat worn but uby9xPnqLfo-01371-00306240-00306423 they are not the clearly defined skulls uby9xPnqLfo-01372-00306424-00306599 and snakes that adorn some of the other uby9xPnqLfo-01373-00306600-00306758 dagger deities uby9xPnqLfo-01374-00306759-00306934 just like the purba that john huntington uby9xPnqLfo-01375-00306935-00307151 discusses the deity's three faces make uby9xPnqLfo-01376-00307152-00307406 slightly different wrathful expressions uby9xPnqLfo-01377-00307407-00307615 the bodhiagri mudra is associated with uby9xPnqLfo-01378-00307616-00307854 the buddha virochana so perhaps this uby9xPnqLfo-01379-00307855-00308030 deity is a wrathful manifestation of uby9xPnqLfo-01380-00308031-00308239 virochana whose folded wings place it in uby9xPnqLfo-01381-00308240-00308575 a haruka category uby9xPnqLfo-01382-00308576-00308799 another dali kingdom dagger features a uby9xPnqLfo-01383-00308800-00308982 wrathful deity that resembles dali uby9xPnqLfo-01384-00308983-00309223 kingdom images of mahakala this is the uby9xPnqLfo-01385-00309224-00309423 only iron dagger i know of from the uby9xPnqLfo-01386-00309424-00309710 dalai kingdom it's 15.6 centimeters in uby9xPnqLfo-01387-00309711-00309910 length and has apertures along each of uby9xPnqLfo-01388-00309911-00310054 the three blades uby9xPnqLfo-01389-00310055-00310247 the deity's torso rises up from the uby9xPnqLfo-01390-00310248-00310487 lotus blossom atop the blade he wears a uby9xPnqLfo-01391-00310488-00310719 sash and necklace of skulls and his uby9xPnqLfo-01392-00310720-00310919 hands appear to make the abhisheka mudra uby9xPnqLfo-01393-00310920-00311079 in which the thumb and fingers are uby9xPnqLfo-01394-00311080-00311254 pressed together pointing up while the uby9xPnqLfo-01395-00311255-00311454 remaining fingers interlace uby9xPnqLfo-01396-00311455-00311639 he only has one face and he appears to uby9xPnqLfo-01397-00311640-00311806 wear a tall crown instead of a uby9xPnqLfo-01398-00311807-00311982 five-pronged vajra uby9xPnqLfo-01399-00311983-00312175 like other dolly kingdom daggers a ring uby9xPnqLfo-01400-00312176-00312319 is affixed to the back but it does not uby9xPnqLfo-01401-00312320-00312503 appear to be a serpent uby9xPnqLfo-01402-00312504-00312695 this dagger's details are cruder than uby9xPnqLfo-01403-00312696-00312887 some of the other dolly kingdom daggers uby9xPnqLfo-01404-00312888-00313087 and the face has such shallow features uby9xPnqLfo-01405-00313088-00313310 it looks flat from the side considering uby9xPnqLfo-01406-00313311-00313527 how few iron statues survive from the uby9xPnqLfo-01407-00313528-00313727 dolly kingdom perhaps artists were not uby9xPnqLfo-01408-00313728-00313919 as skilled in working with this medium uby9xPnqLfo-01409-00313920-00314119 compared to bronze uby9xPnqLfo-01410-00314120-00314327 as a group the dolly daggers most uby9xPnqLfo-01411-00314328-00314503 closely resemble the earliest known uby9xPnqLfo-01412-00314504-00314703 example from huntington's study the uby9xPnqLfo-01413-00314704-00314887 sandalwood dagger with a rounded blade uby9xPnqLfo-01414-00314888-00315063 and a torso and head of a three-faced uby9xPnqLfo-01415-00315064-00315367 wrathful deity the dolly kingdom daggers uby9xPnqLfo-01416-00315368-00315582 also share with the nepalese poor ba an uby9xPnqLfo-01417-00315583-00315791 emphasis on the deity image uby9xPnqLfo-01418-00315792-00315943 none of these examples could be rolled uby9xPnqLfo-01419-00315944-00316199 between the palms the himalayan examples uby9xPnqLfo-01420-00316200-00316406 were kept in their stands and the dahle uby9xPnqLfo-01421-00316407-00316606 examples were probably worn on the uby9xPnqLfo-01422-00316607-00316823 finger or looped on a string or piece of uby9xPnqLfo-01423-00316824-00316975 cloth uby9xPnqLfo-01424-00316976-00317223 these conclusions also apply to the uby9xPnqLfo-01425-00317224-00317382 single pronged vajras from the dalai uby9xPnqLfo-01426-00317383-00317567 kingdom which are similarly attached to uby9xPnqLfo-01427-00317568-00317695 rings uby9xPnqLfo-01428-00317696-00317854 two of these single prong vajras have uby9xPnqLfo-01429-00317855-00318071 faces separating the two blades while uby9xPnqLfo-01430-00318072-00318239 the third separates the blades with the uby9xPnqLfo-01431-00318240-00318454 serpentine coils of the ring uby9xPnqLfo-01432-00318455-00318615 one of the vajras has blades made of uby9xPnqLfo-01433-00318616-00318782 crystal with a ring attachment made of uby9xPnqLfo-01434-00318783-00318958 metal while the other two are completely uby9xPnqLfo-01435-00318959-00319087 made of metal uby9xPnqLfo-01436-00319088-00319223 the metal band in the middle of the uby9xPnqLfo-01437-00319224-00319454 crystal vaja has three wrathful faces uby9xPnqLfo-01438-00319455-00319623 each with three eyes uby9xPnqLfo-01439-00319624-00319782 one of the metal vajras and one in the uby9xPnqLfo-01440-00319783-00319975 middle has a single face separating the uby9xPnqLfo-01441-00319976-00320199 blades the face resembles the bearded uby9xPnqLfo-01442-00320200-00320463 mahakala type that also appears on dolly uby9xPnqLfo-01443-00320464-00320710 kingdom purba style daggers this space uby9xPnqLfo-01444-00320711-00320919 has a well-defined beard fangs jetting uby9xPnqLfo-01445-00320920-00321167 up from an open mouth three glaring eyes uby9xPnqLfo-01446-00321168-00321375 a crown of skulls and a miniature buddha uby9xPnqLfo-01447-00321376-00321710 on the crown uby9xPnqLfo-01448-00321711-00321879 having presented the dali kingdom uby9xPnqLfo-01449-00321880-00322054 daggers within the larger context of uby9xPnqLfo-01450-00322055-00322263 buddhist ritual daggers or stakes i now uby9xPnqLfo-01451-00322264-00322447 turn to the key question of what these uby9xPnqLfo-01452-00322448-00322647 daggers show about transmission on the uby9xPnqLfo-01453-00322648-00322815 southern silk road uby9xPnqLfo-01454-00322816-00323015 starting with the single pronged vajras uby9xPnqLfo-01455-00323016-00323206 the closest comparisons appear in uby9xPnqLfo-01456-00323207-00323358 medieval japan uby9xPnqLfo-01457-00323359-00323575 however the most similar objects to both uby9xPnqLfo-01458-00323576-00323806 the perba style daggers and to the vajra uby9xPnqLfo-01459-00323807-00323999 rings appear not in india or the uby9xPnqLfo-01460-00324000-00324471 himalayas but in java uby9xPnqLfo-01461-00324472-00324671 in the 1930s uby9xPnqLfo-01462-00324672-00324910 fdk bosch wrote about a bronze pro bus uby9xPnqLfo-01463-00324911-00325087 style dagger whose top half he uby9xPnqLfo-01464-00325088-00325358 identified as the deity hi agriva though uby9xPnqLfo-01465-00325359-00325558 i'm not completely sure why uby9xPnqLfo-01466-00325559-00325743 this dagger is somewhat distinctive in uby9xPnqLfo-01467-00325744-00325919 having a quadrangular instead of a uby9xPnqLfo-01468-00325920-00326095 triangular blade and in featuring a uby9xPnqLfo-01469-00326096-00326319 deity with only one face instead of uby9xPnqLfo-01470-00326320-00326558 three but these variations appear in uby9xPnqLfo-01471-00326559-00326879 himalayan and dolly daggers as well uby9xPnqLfo-01472-00326880-00327119 when we consider huntington's earliest uby9xPnqLfo-01473-00327120-00327230 known uby9xPnqLfo-01474-00327231-00327447 himalayan dagger alongside a similar uby9xPnqLfo-01475-00327448-00327663 dolly dagger and this javanese dagger we uby9xPnqLfo-01476-00327664-00327991 see a fairly strong resemblance uby9xPnqLfo-01477-00327992-00328206 in addition to this dagger uby9xPnqLfo-01478-00328207-00328447 a gold vajra ring from 8th to 10th uby9xPnqLfo-01479-00328448-00328606 century java shows noteworthy uby9xPnqLfo-01480-00328607-00328823 similarities to the vajra rings found in uby9xPnqLfo-01481-00328824-00328975 dali uby9xPnqLfo-01482-00328976-00329151 though the proportions differ these uby9xPnqLfo-01483-00329152-00329247 objects uby9xPnqLfo-01484-00329248-00329454 suggest a common practice of wearing uby9xPnqLfo-01485-00329455-00329743 vajras attached to rings uby9xPnqLfo-01486-00329744-00329943 the question that now remains is what do uby9xPnqLfo-01487-00329944-00330167 these similarities between dolly daggers uby9xPnqLfo-01488-00330168-00330454 and objects in japan and java show about uby9xPnqLfo-01489-00330455-00330710 southern silk road circulations in each uby9xPnqLfo-01490-00330711-00330967 case they suggest a missing link uby9xPnqLfo-01491-00330968-00331158 in the case of the single prang vajras uby9xPnqLfo-01492-00331159-00331327 this would seem to be tang through song uby9xPnqLfo-01493-00331328-00331519 china which we already know was a major uby9xPnqLfo-01494-00331520-00331671 transmission partner for the dali uby9xPnqLfo-01495-00331672-00331791 kingdom uby9xPnqLfo-01496-00331792-00331991 in the case of the purba style daggers i uby9xPnqLfo-01497-00331992-00332151 think the missing link is northeastern uby9xPnqLfo-01498-00332152-00332375 india specifically the regions of bihar uby9xPnqLfo-01499-00332376-00332510 and bengal uby9xPnqLfo-01500-00332511-00332719 other features of dali and javanese uby9xPnqLfo-01501-00332720-00332982 buddhism reveal connections to bihar and uby9xPnqLfo-01502-00332983-00333143 bengal uby9xPnqLfo-01503-00333144-00333382 in dali images of the god mahakala bear uby9xPnqLfo-01504-00333383-00333606 their closest resemblance to images from uby9xPnqLfo-01505-00333607-00333767 these regions and aspects of the uby9xPnqLfo-01506-00333768-00334006 nagari's script used in dali suggests uby9xPnqLfo-01507-00334007-00334247 links to bengal as for java scholars uby9xPnqLfo-01508-00334248-00334471 such as claudine bowser pakron and uby9xPnqLfo-01509-00334472-00334671 andrea atrey have shown that uby9xPnqLfo-01510-00334672-00334919 strong ties linking its buddhist texts uby9xPnqLfo-01511-00334920-00335182 and arts to northeastern india uby9xPnqLfo-01512-00335183-00335391 in conclusion the daggers from the dali uby9xPnqLfo-01513-00335392-00335615 kingdom when considered in relation to uby9xPnqLfo-01514-00335616-00335806 the example from java and the earliest uby9xPnqLfo-01515-00335807-00336054 himalayan example suggest that an early uby9xPnqLfo-01516-00336055-00336278 form of this object corresponded to the uby9xPnqLfo-01517-00336279-00336534 description of the dagger deity in early uby9xPnqLfo-01518-00336535-00336799 tibetan texts that is these versions uby9xPnqLfo-01519-00336800-00336982 lack the octagonal shaft and endless uby9xPnqLfo-01520-00336983-00337223 knots their form resists rolling between uby9xPnqLfo-01521-00337224-00337406 the palms and they would have been too uby9xPnqLfo-01522-00337407-00337687 valuable to use for a demarcation uby9xPnqLfo-01523-00337688-00337895 instead they materialize the power of uby9xPnqLfo-01524-00337896-00338134 the god vajra khila or similar deities uby9xPnqLfo-01525-00338135-00338367 associated with this object uby9xPnqLfo-01526-00338368-00338615 in dali the ritual texts reinforce this uby9xPnqLfo-01527-00338616-00338871 interpretation by consistently using the uby9xPnqLfo-01528-00338872-00339151 term kila in deities names uby9xPnqLfo-01529-00339152-00339334 such objects were probably carried from uby9xPnqLfo-01530-00339335-00339575 bihar to and bengal to the himalayas to uby9xPnqLfo-01531-00339576-00339758 dali into java where they took on uby9xPnqLfo-01532-00339759-00339934 different trajectories uby9xPnqLfo-01533-00339935-00340127 most studies of the southern silk roads uby9xPnqLfo-01534-00340128-00340271 have focused on the circulation of uby9xPnqLfo-01535-00340272-00340510 commodities such as horses silver cowrie uby9xPnqLfo-01536-00340511-00340663 shells and tea uby9xPnqLfo-01537-00340664-00340847 dali kingdom daggers show that buddhist uby9xPnqLfo-01538-00340848-00341087 material culture and visual culture also uby9xPnqLfo-01539-00341088-00341310 circulated along these understudied uby9xPnqLfo-01540-00341311-00341454 routes which introduces new uby9xPnqLfo-01541-00341455-00341630 possibilities for understanding buddhist uby9xPnqLfo-01542-00341631-00341887 transmission in the middle period of 800 uby9xPnqLfo-01543-00341888-00342078 to 1400 ce uby9xPnqLfo-01544-00342079-00342263 the northern silk roads and maritime uby9xPnqLfo-01545-00342264-00342439 silk roads remain critical channels for uby9xPnqLfo-01546-00342440-00342678 this transmission but further studies of uby9xPnqLfo-01547-00342679-00342839 southern silk roads uby9xPnqLfo-01548-00342840-00343023 may yield still more discoveries of uby9xPnqLfo-01549-00343024-00343454 buddhist texts images and objects uby9xPnqLfo-01550-00343455-00343551 thank you uby9xPnqLfo-01551-00343552-00343782 i look forward to your comments and uby9xPnqLfo-01552-00343783-00343909 questions uby9xPnqLfo-01553-00343910-00344806 [Applause] uby9xPnqLfo-01554-00344807-00345078 thank you very much this brilliant uby9xPnqLfo-01555-00345079-00345310 journey across many objects and many uby9xPnqLfo-01556-00345311-00345527 rituals actually very ritual texts that uby9xPnqLfo-01557-00345528-00345767 was fascinating i think i would never uby9xPnqLfo-01558-00345768-00345951 look anymore at the top for sure in the uby9xPnqLfo-01559-00345952-00346263 same way i never realized what it meant uby9xPnqLfo-01560-00346264-00346527 what what could be a single i mean yes uby9xPnqLfo-01561-00346528-00346727 can be many things in japan although uby9xPnqLfo-01562-00346728-00346887 never with a ring that's very uby9xPnqLfo-01563-00346888-00347015 interesting uby9xPnqLfo-01564-00347016-00347223 i think i should leave the floor to the uby9xPnqLfo-01565-00347224-00347343 audience uby9xPnqLfo-01566-00347344-00347719 for any comments and questions uby9xPnqLfo-01567-00347720-00348534 across the regions who won't start uby9xPnqLfo-01568-00348535-00350351 maybe i should have i should think uby9xPnqLfo-01569-00350352-00350519 because you mentioned incense at some uby9xPnqLfo-01570-00350520-00350839 point um as part of the the the water uby9xPnqLfo-01571-00350840-00351151 ritual um uh is anything uby9xPnqLfo-01572-00351152-00351287 perhaps uby9xPnqLfo-01573-00351288-00351558 have archaeologists uh examine the uh uby9xPnqLfo-01574-00351559-00351823 the daggers to see whether any uh uby9xPnqLfo-01575-00351824-00352015 with a certain um uby9xPnqLfo-01576-00352016-00352303 well what should i call them um uby9xPnqLfo-01577-00352304-00352575 biochemical remnants are uh uby9xPnqLfo-01578-00352576-00352767 remain on the daggers uby9xPnqLfo-01579-00352768-00353006 um that's a wonderful question um the uby9xPnqLfo-01580-00353007-00353239 answer is not to my knowledge for the uby9xPnqLfo-01581-00353240-00353454 the daggers in dolly um that's something uby9xPnqLfo-01582-00353455-00353551 that i've uby9xPnqLfo-01583-00353552-00353806 been hoping to to be able to do is uby9xPnqLfo-01584-00353807-00353982 connect with um uby9xPnqLfo-01585-00353983-00354167 folks in in yunnan and some of the uby9xPnqLfo-01586-00354168-00354471 museums that hold these objects to study uby9xPnqLfo-01587-00354472-00354775 more the the material composition uh you uby9xPnqLfo-01588-00354776-00354919 know the the uby9xPnqLfo-01589-00354920-00355087 where the metal is coming from and also uby9xPnqLfo-01590-00355088-00355295 to try to answer those sorts of uby9xPnqLfo-01591-00355296-00355623 questions um i suspect there are uby9xPnqLfo-01592-00355624-00355839 far more studies done of the himalayan uby9xPnqLfo-01593-00355840-00356127 um examples that that would give uby9xPnqLfo-01594-00356128-00356343 much richer answers but it's such a more uby9xPnqLfo-01595-00356344-00356534 complex um uby9xPnqLfo-01596-00356535-00356734 field with with far more uby9xPnqLfo-01597-00356735-00356951 textual and and material uby9xPnqLfo-01598-00356952-00357030 um uby9xPnqLfo-01599-00357031-00357271 stuff so at this point all i can say is uby9xPnqLfo-01600-00357272-00357391 is i don't know uby9xPnqLfo-01601-00357392-00358463 but it's an excellent question uby9xPnqLfo-01602-00358464-00358654 i had a very similar question but it was uby9xPnqLfo-01603-00358655-00358903 more related to whether in uby9xPnqLfo-01604-00358904-00359119 um literal uh sources and scriptures uby9xPnqLfo-01605-00359120-00359351 that you're looking at um uby9xPnqLfo-01606-00359352-00359439 what uby9xPnqLfo-01607-00359440-00359558 the uby9xPnqLfo-01608-00359559-00360030 the dagger or pastel is ever used to uby9xPnqLfo-01609-00360031-00360254 actually pastel um uby9xPnqLfo-01610-00360255-00360527 any kind of substance from sesame seed uby9xPnqLfo-01611-00360528-00360663 to anything that can be turned into a uby9xPnqLfo-01612-00360664-00360887 medicine because this is what we find uby9xPnqLfo-01613-00360888-00361230 um in in japanese ritual practices where uby9xPnqLfo-01614-00361231-00361439 uh the object translated as pastel is uby9xPnqLfo-01615-00361440-00361654 actually used to pastel thing uby9xPnqLfo-01616-00361655-00361878 yeah that's um i think uby9xPnqLfo-01617-00361879-00362039 i think there's going to be a pattern in uby9xPnqLfo-01618-00362040-00362263 some of my responses uby9xPnqLfo-01619-00362264-00362575 which is to say i wish um i wish we had uby9xPnqLfo-01620-00362576-00363015 more more materials to answer that um uby9xPnqLfo-01621-00363016-00363199 and and i think the similar kinds of uby9xPnqLfo-01622-00363200-00363495 processes maybe to test the daggers um uby9xPnqLfo-01623-00363496-00363687 could could answer if if there were any uby9xPnqLfo-01624-00363688-00363927 other sorts of substances um that uby9xPnqLfo-01625-00363928-00364063 adhered to them uby9xPnqLfo-01626-00364064-00364151 um uby9xPnqLfo-01627-00364152-00364239 so far uby9xPnqLfo-01628-00364240-00364375 in what uby9xPnqLfo-01629-00364376-00364678 we know at least from the texts um and uby9xPnqLfo-01630-00364679-00364847 these these objects uby9xPnqLfo-01631-00364848-00364951 it uby9xPnqLfo-01632-00364952-00365103 there's nothing in the text that uby9xPnqLfo-01633-00365104-00365319 prescribes that i will note that the one uby9xPnqLfo-01634-00365320-00365510 ritual text of the six that i mentioned uby9xPnqLfo-01635-00365511-00365727 the one that really has not been uby9xPnqLfo-01636-00365728-00366015 um studied uh at least to my knowledge uby9xPnqLfo-01637-00366016-00366263 is the homa consecration text uby9xPnqLfo-01638-00366264-00366487 um and so that uby9xPnqLfo-01639-00366488-00366799 you know would be my my next kind of um uby9xPnqLfo-01640-00366800-00367030 project is trying to figure out whether uby9xPnqLfo-01641-00367031-00367199 there might be answers uby9xPnqLfo-01642-00367200-00367423 there because in the others i can i uby9xPnqLfo-01643-00367424-00367606 could say pretty categorically there's uby9xPnqLfo-01644-00367607-00367823 nothing um that would that would uby9xPnqLfo-01645-00367824-00368071 indicate um uby9xPnqLfo-01646-00368072-00368295 you know using using the daggers in that uby9xPnqLfo-01647-00368296-00368454 way um uby9xPnqLfo-01648-00368455-00368703 but it's always it's always possible and uby9xPnqLfo-01649-00368704-00368863 um uby9xPnqLfo-01650-00368864-00369054 some some of the substances that are uby9xPnqLfo-01651-00369055-00369423 prescribed in the ritual text also um uby9xPnqLfo-01652-00369424-00369710 have defied my own attempts to to uby9xPnqLfo-01653-00369711-00369991 identify and explain them so so it's uby9xPnqLfo-01654-00369992-00370182 quite possible that there there might be uby9xPnqLfo-01655-00370183-00370447 other clues in in those texts but the uby9xPnqLfo-01656-00370448-00370710 the texts themselves include some pretty uby9xPnqLfo-01657-00370711-00371023 distinctive terminology um uby9xPnqLfo-01658-00371024-00371215 so all i can say is is we don't know yet uby9xPnqLfo-01659-00371216-00371471 but um you're giving me a lot of things uby9xPnqLfo-01660-00371472-00371830 to hopefully be able to to look for um uby9xPnqLfo-01661-00371831-00371958 one day uby9xPnqLfo-01662-00371959-00372119 yeah thank you uby9xPnqLfo-01663-00372120-00372382 i wonder whether i can come and to ask uby9xPnqLfo-01664-00372383-00372527 about the virtual textbook whether they uby9xPnqLfo-01665-00372528-00372663 were connected uby9xPnqLfo-01666-00372664-00372799 or whether they are completely uby9xPnqLfo-01667-00372800-00372991 independent text uby9xPnqLfo-01668-00372992-00373102 so the uby9xPnqLfo-01669-00373103-00373319 six or seven the the the six ritual uby9xPnqLfo-01670-00373320-00373575 texts um uby9xPnqLfo-01671-00373576-00373871 two of them and there's one um called uby9xPnqLfo-01672-00373872-00374327 the uby9xPnqLfo-01673-00374328-00374647 those appear together on the other side uby9xPnqLfo-01674-00374648-00374847 of the yuan juicing uby9xPnqLfo-01675-00374848-00375078 this scripture of perfect awakening uby9xPnqLfo-01676-00375079-00375223 commentary on the scripture perfect uby9xPnqLfo-01677-00375224-00375406 awakening and some scholars see them as uby9xPnqLfo-01678-00375407-00375671 being the same text but uh ho chong uby9xPnqLfo-01679-00375672-00376030 who's probably um been at the you know uby9xPnqLfo-01680-00376031-00376239 forefront of studying these has made i uby9xPnqLfo-01681-00376240-00376391 think a very compelling argument that uby9xPnqLfo-01682-00376392-00376615 these are distinct texts because one uby9xPnqLfo-01683-00376616-00376854 includes certain red punctuation uby9xPnqLfo-01684-00376855-00377134 markings the other does not um uby9xPnqLfo-01685-00377135-00377447 the other texts though are i mean uby9xPnqLfo-01686-00377448-00377671 would seem to be separate although uby9xPnqLfo-01687-00377672-00377871 connected um uby9xPnqLfo-01688-00377872-00378030 like i was thinking whether they are uby9xPnqLfo-01689-00378031-00378399 part of a larger ritual system that us uby9xPnqLfo-01690-00378400-00378534 different pieces uby9xPnqLfo-01691-00378535-00378758 i think i think you definitely see the uby9xPnqLfo-01692-00378759-00379030 resonance between them um and what i've uby9xPnqLfo-01693-00379031-00379230 been looking at mostly are the the uby9xPnqLfo-01694-00379231-00379567 deities so particular forms of mahakala uby9xPnqLfo-01695-00379568-00379734 that i haven't found elsewhere uby9xPnqLfo-01696-00379735-00379958 especially this form called the you know uby9xPnqLfo-01697-00379959-00380095 yaksa uby9xPnqLfo-01698-00380096-00380382 or kala of great bliss uby9xPnqLfo-01699-00380383-00380654 who distinctively stands on the northern uby9xPnqLfo-01700-00380655-00380791 dipper uby9xPnqLfo-01701-00380792-00381023 that is a figure who appears in the uby9xPnqLfo-01702-00381024-00381287 mahakala ritual text in the invitation uby9xPnqLfo-01703-00381288-00381478 ritual text and in the painting of uby9xPnqLfo-01704-00381479-00381727 buddhist images so you can see those uby9xPnqLfo-01705-00381728-00381919 kinds of patterns form uby9xPnqLfo-01706-00381920-00382191 um out of the the different texts that uby9xPnqLfo-01707-00382192-00382487 do suggest a kind of cohesive uby9xPnqLfo-01708-00382488-00382799 system um and so the the challenge i'm uby9xPnqLfo-01709-00382800-00382975 currently working with is where to fit uby9xPnqLfo-01710-00382976-00383263 these daggers into that system um uby9xPnqLfo-01711-00383264-00383351 because uby9xPnqLfo-01712-00383352-00383510 you know they're such fascinating uby9xPnqLfo-01713-00383511-00383767 objects um but there's also still you uby9xPnqLfo-01714-00383768-00383871 know little uby9xPnqLfo-01715-00383872-00384143 information about how precisely people uby9xPnqLfo-01716-00384144-00384519 were um you know engaging with them yeah uby9xPnqLfo-01717-00384520-00384727 very interesting uby9xPnqLfo-01718-00384728-00384982 yes thanks thank you for that um really uby9xPnqLfo-01719-00384983-00385263 comprehensive lecture um i'm much more uby9xPnqLfo-01720-00385264-00385447 interested in southeast asian material uby9xPnqLfo-01721-00385448-00385687 given my area of expertise so i was uby9xPnqLfo-01722-00385688-00385839 really interested at the end when you uby9xPnqLfo-01723-00385840-00386175 showed the proba from java uby9xPnqLfo-01724-00386176-00386351 so i'm just wondering is that the only uby9xPnqLfo-01725-00386352-00386567 example you know or are there quite a uby9xPnqLfo-01726-00386568-00386823 lot of them how extant is that tradition uby9xPnqLfo-01727-00386824-00387078 and how does it continue up to about uby9xPnqLfo-01728-00387079-00387278 14th 15th century or uby9xPnqLfo-01729-00387279-00387351 so uby9xPnqLfo-01730-00387352-00387567 that's that's the only example that i uby9xPnqLfo-01731-00387568-00387791 know of i happened to stumble across the uby9xPnqLfo-01732-00387792-00388063 last week and looking at a an article by uby9xPnqLfo-01733-00388064-00388247 claudia bowser pickron where in which uby9xPnqLfo-01734-00388248-00388543 she she mentions this kind of dagger and uby9xPnqLfo-01735-00388544-00388671 then i had to request through uby9xPnqLfo-01736-00388672-00388863 interlibrary loan the dutch journal uby9xPnqLfo-01737-00388864-00389119 article um in which it appeared because uby9xPnqLfo-01738-00389120-00389334 i was thinking perhaps this is connected uby9xPnqLfo-01739-00389335-00389582 and then when i saw it it was just you uby9xPnqLfo-01740-00389583-00389782 know it's one of those really gratifying uby9xPnqLfo-01741-00389783-00390110 moments um i i haven't found any other uby9xPnqLfo-01742-00390111-00390358 references but i i know this is such an uby9xPnqLfo-01743-00390359-00390567 erudite audience uby9xPnqLfo-01744-00390568-00390799 with many many scholars who are far more uby9xPnqLfo-01745-00390800-00390999 expert in a lot of the regions i'm uby9xPnqLfo-01746-00391000-00391206 talking about than i am so i'm always uby9xPnqLfo-01747-00391207-00391423 happy to be corrected uby9xPnqLfo-01748-00391424-00391806 if if anyone um has other examples that uby9xPnqLfo-01749-00391807-00392063 they they know of i would i would very uby9xPnqLfo-01750-00392064-00392302 much welcome that information i haven't uby9xPnqLfo-01751-00392303-00392495 seen any others there's another very uby9xPnqLfo-01752-00392496-00392639 different kind of dagger that bassa uby9xPnqLfo-01753-00392640-00392943 pikron has written about um and um uby9xPnqLfo-01754-00392944-00393295 natasha reichel also on an indonesian um uby9xPnqLfo-01755-00393296-00393447 you know uby9xPnqLfo-01756-00393448-00393823 art where it it has a bhairava or is it uby9xPnqLfo-01757-00393824-00394071 mahakala figure on one side and then the uby9xPnqLfo-01758-00394072-00394263 female counterpart on the other but uby9xPnqLfo-01759-00394264-00394463 that's i mean and uby9xPnqLfo-01760-00394464-00394710 hypothesizes that maybe that's a kind of uby9xPnqLfo-01761-00394711-00395015 interpretation of of uby9xPnqLfo-01762-00395016-00395206 uh kind of dagger but but the the uby9xPnqLfo-01763-00395207-00395423 example that bosh um uby9xPnqLfo-01764-00395424-00395695 photographed and catalogued as a much uby9xPnqLfo-01765-00395696-00395934 closer example to what we're looking at uby9xPnqLfo-01766-00395935-00396023 um uby9xPnqLfo-01767-00396024-00396310 so that's that's a one-off as far as i uby9xPnqLfo-01768-00396311-00396558 know but um that's another avenue of uby9xPnqLfo-01769-00396559-00396982 investigation that i need to look into uby9xPnqLfo-01770-00396983-00397254 i just thank thank you very much for a uby9xPnqLfo-01771-00397255-00397487 wonderful talk i had a question about uby9xPnqLfo-01772-00397488-00397863 the distribution and temporal span of uby9xPnqLfo-01773-00397864-00398110 them you mentioned 14th century and you uby9xPnqLfo-01774-00398111-00398463 referred to himalayan and dali uby9xPnqLfo-01775-00398464-00398687 have you published uby9xPnqLfo-01776-00398688-00398895 where they are exactly where they have uby9xPnqLfo-01777-00398896-00399110 found and is there much context to their uby9xPnqLfo-01778-00399111-00399439 finding uh um yeah so so in terms of the uby9xPnqLfo-01779-00399440-00399758 the dali examples um the only ones that uby9xPnqLfo-01780-00399759-00400015 i'm aware of are from the pagoda uby9xPnqLfo-01781-00400016-00400199 um thousand league pagoda which is in uby9xPnqLfo-01782-00400200-00400591 the dalai capital um uby9xPnqLfo-01783-00400592-00400775 there are there are a lot uby9xPnqLfo-01784-00400776-00400958 of examples that are currently out there uby9xPnqLfo-01785-00400959-00401271 on various auction sites um uby9xPnqLfo-01786-00401272-00401582 so i i'm i'm not entirely convinced um uby9xPnqLfo-01787-00401583-00401839 of the authenticity of all of them there uby9xPnqLfo-01788-00401840-00402039 are a few here um uby9xPnqLfo-01789-00402040-00402199 that i think have been very well uby9xPnqLfo-01790-00402200-00402439 documented in terms of their provenance uby9xPnqLfo-01791-00402440-00402623 um coming from thousand league pagoda uby9xPnqLfo-01792-00402624-00402847 there are others that um i would need to uby9xPnqLfo-01793-00402848-00403167 look into more but um the answer is that uby9xPnqLfo-01794-00403168-00403863 it's all from this pagoda uby9xPnqLfo-01795-00403864-00404167 yeah um so so there were many small you uby9xPnqLfo-01796-00404168-00404447 know statues of deities miniature stupas uby9xPnqLfo-01797-00404448-00404863 um other kinds of um there's one um bija uby9xPnqLfo-01798-00404864-00405151 mandala uh vajradattu mandala um that uby9xPnqLfo-01799-00405152-00405343 was found there um uby9xPnqLfo-01800-00405344-00405519 so that that was the main repository for uby9xPnqLfo-01801-00405520-00405671 a lot of those objects and a lot of the uby9xPnqLfo-01802-00405672-00405871 manuscripts were found elsewhere at a uby9xPnqLfo-01803-00405872-00406127 family temple where they were also uby9xPnqLfo-01804-00406128-00406391 more subject to sort of historical uby9xPnqLfo-01805-00406392-00406582 vicissitudes and things like that but uby9xPnqLfo-01806-00406583-00406815 the the pagoda objects seem to have been uby9xPnqLfo-01807-00406816-00406999 sealed up after the fall of the dalai uby9xPnqLfo-01808-00407000-00407127 kingdom so uby9xPnqLfo-01809-00407128-00407351 they're very fairly reliable in the uby9xPnqLfo-01810-00407352-00408327 dating uby9xPnqLfo-01811-00408328-00408527 uh like materials you know we saw a lot uby9xPnqLfo-01812-00408528-00408830 of things from the dali kingdom it was uby9xPnqLfo-01813-00408831-00409023 only a few of things claimed to be from uby9xPnqLfo-01814-00409024-00409230 the ninja and i'm just wondering were uby9xPnqLfo-01815-00409231-00409406 there any kind of dagger example from uby9xPnqLfo-01816-00409407-00409751 the nanda um period because you know um uby9xPnqLfo-01817-00409752-00410007 nanja was a very powerful country during uby9xPnqLfo-01818-00410008-00410166 it's like the uby9xPnqLfo-01819-00410167-00410303 late uby9xPnqLfo-01820-00410304-00410495 eighth and beginning of the next century uby9xPnqLfo-01821-00410496-00410710 and it's kind of power uby9xPnqLfo-01822-00410712-00410974 enriched in today's you know um uby9xPnqLfo-01823-00410975-00411359 south and thailand and myanmar and laos uby9xPnqLfo-01824-00411360-00411534 and they had a lot of controls in these uby9xPnqLfo-01825-00411535-00411759 regions it was a very powerful and uby9xPnqLfo-01826-00411760-00411999 kingdom so i'm just wondering like what uby9xPnqLfo-01827-00412000-00412191 if uh was that uby9xPnqLfo-01828-00412192-00412399 nanja's buddhist culture uby9xPnqLfo-01829-00412400-00412678 influenced these surrounding civil uh uby9xPnqLfo-01830-00412679-00412870 like civilizations because many of uby9xPnqLfo-01831-00412871-00413055 western and also uby9xPnqLfo-01832-00413056-00413270 like scholars claimed that uby9xPnqLfo-01833-00413271-00413591 it was the southeast areas civilization uby9xPnqLfo-01834-00413592-00413839 influenced the ninja and but chinese uby9xPnqLfo-01835-00413839-00414022 scholars claimed you know it was the uby9xPnqLfo-01836-00414023-00414239 town dynasty as well as the tibetan uby9xPnqLfo-01837-00414239-00414463 dynasty influenced the ninja but during uby9xPnqLfo-01838-00414464-00414743 both tongue and tibet and you know like uby9xPnqLfo-01839-00414743-00414839 the uby9xPnqLfo-01840-00414839-00415022 seventh to the ninth century they had uby9xPnqLfo-01841-00415023-00415351 kind of anti-buddhist uh movement and uby9xPnqLfo-01842-00415352-00415678 whereas you know ninja was the center we uby9xPnqLfo-01843-00415679-00415870 were kind of attracted a lot of uby9xPnqLfo-01844-00415871-00416110 buddhist monks from that uby9xPnqLfo-01845-00416112-00416414 back these areas how about you know like uby9xPnqLfo-01846-00416415-00416655 they generated something new and they uby9xPnqLfo-01847-00416656-00416895 influenced the surrounding area uby9xPnqLfo-01848-00416896-00417047 yeah that's that's a really great uby9xPnqLfo-01849-00417047-00417214 question and it also gets at some of the uby9xPnqLfo-01850-00417215-00417478 methodological challenges of studying uby9xPnqLfo-01851-00417479-00417670 the region and i think of of uby9xPnqLfo-01852-00417671-00418007 distinguishing between nanjao and dali uby9xPnqLfo-01853-00418008-00418270 sources and materials because uby9xPnqLfo-01854-00418271-00418407 the the dali uby9xPnqLfo-01855-00418408-00418782 rulers as you know adopted and um copied uby9xPnqLfo-01856-00418783-00419047 so much from nanjao including the uby9xPnqLfo-01857-00419047-00419310 veneration of atsuya guanine this ajay uby9xPnqLfo-01858-00419312-00419543 avalokites for a figure uby9xPnqLfo-01859-00419543-00419751 you know very similar you know style of uby9xPnqLfo-01860-00419752-00419951 attire um uby9xPnqLfo-01861-00419952-00420135 similar crown using the same titles and uby9xPnqLfo-01862-00420135-00420391 systems of government um and that often uby9xPnqLfo-01863-00420392-00420655 presents real challenges in figuring out uby9xPnqLfo-01864-00420656-00420959 whether a particular image um especially uby9xPnqLfo-01865-00420960-00421127 in terms of the the visual culture or uby9xPnqLfo-01866-00421128-00421327 material culture uby9xPnqLfo-01867-00421328-00421607 is nanjao or dali um and i've erred on uby9xPnqLfo-01868-00421608-00421879 the side of of thinking that things are uby9xPnqLfo-01869-00421880-00422159 are later especially because of um the uby9xPnqLfo-01870-00422160-00422383 dates of other you know materials from uby9xPnqLfo-01871-00422384-00422766 from the pagoda as well as from the um uby9xPnqLfo-01872-00422767-00423087 the dharma treasury temple um uby9xPnqLfo-01873-00423088-00423255 but you're absolutely right and i think uby9xPnqLfo-01874-00423256-00423439 you also get this other question about uby9xPnqLfo-01875-00423439-00423710 nanja dali which is this perception of uby9xPnqLfo-01876-00423712-00423959 this region is always receiving uby9xPnqLfo-01877-00423960-00424263 um influence rather than exerting its uby9xPnqLfo-01878-00424264-00424366 own uby9xPnqLfo-01879-00424367-00424583 influence on others and i think i've uby9xPnqLfo-01880-00424584-00424839 fallen victim to that to that trap as uby9xPnqLfo-01881-00424839-00425047 well because it's located in the middle uby9xPnqLfo-01882-00425047-00425231 of such a diverse uby9xPnqLfo-01883-00425232-00425470 region and so the tendency i think um uby9xPnqLfo-01884-00425471-00425655 certainly with me has been to think uby9xPnqLfo-01885-00425656-00425831 about which of these things were people uby9xPnqLfo-01886-00425832-00426031 there adopting rather than uby9xPnqLfo-01887-00426032-00426310 thinking more carefully about you know uby9xPnqLfo-01888-00426312-00426559 how was this distinctive uby9xPnqLfo-01889-00426560-00426759 you know regional and political form of uby9xPnqLfo-01890-00426760-00427031 buddhism then you know spreading to uby9xPnqLfo-01891-00427032-00427335 surrounding areas um uby9xPnqLfo-01892-00427335-00427639 i think it's it's difficult um uby9xPnqLfo-01893-00427639-00427718 to uby9xPnqLfo-01894-00427719-00427863 to make uby9xPnqLfo-01895-00427864-00428079 really strong arguments about the uby9xPnqLfo-01896-00428080-00428270 influence that nanjao uby9xPnqLfo-01897-00428271-00428535 in particular might have had uby9xPnqLfo-01898-00428535-00428727 further in southeast asia because so uby9xPnqLfo-01899-00428728-00428991 little survives from nanja itself uby9xPnqLfo-01900-00428992-00429079 um uby9xPnqLfo-01901-00429080-00429287 at least it can be reliably dated to uby9xPnqLfo-01902-00429288-00429487 nanjiao um i mean we have the naja uby9xPnqLfo-01903-00429488-00429822 tujuan um and then i mean some other you uby9xPnqLfo-01904-00429823-00429983 know architectural materials some some uby9xPnqLfo-01905-00429984-00430239 stone carvings um but without knowing uby9xPnqLfo-01906-00430239-00430470 more i think about what nanja buddhism uby9xPnqLfo-01907-00430471-00430599 included uby9xPnqLfo-01908-00430600-00430895 it's harder than to know which of that uby9xPnqLfo-01909-00430896-00431127 then spread farther south or farther uby9xPnqLfo-01910-00431128-00431295 southeast uby9xPnqLfo-01911-00431296-00431399 certainly there are there are more uby9xPnqLfo-01912-00431400-00431614 recent archaeological findings that will uby9xPnqLfo-01913-00431615-00431727 hopefully uby9xPnqLfo-01914-00431728-00431959 you know maybe already have given you uby9xPnqLfo-01915-00431960-00432151 know more indications of what those uby9xPnqLfo-01916-00432152-00432414 specific kinds of of buddhist materials uby9xPnqLfo-01917-00432415-00432566 were that could have spread but that's uby9xPnqLfo-01918-00432567-00432799 another question that i keep asking with uby9xPnqLfo-01919-00432800-00433039 this material um especially with things uby9xPnqLfo-01920-00433039-00433279 like the seven forms of mahakala that uby9xPnqLfo-01921-00433280-00433503 are identified in the mahakala ritual uby9xPnqLfo-01922-00433504-00433783 text from dali um that doesn't have to uby9xPnqLfo-01923-00433784-00434007 come from anywhere i mean i think it uby9xPnqLfo-01924-00434008-00434263 could have very very well been um a set uby9xPnqLfo-01925-00434264-00434447 that was developed there and some of uby9xPnqLfo-01926-00434447-00434647 these these practices certainly the uby9xPnqLfo-01927-00434647-00434855 practices of of wearing the uby9xPnqLfo-01928-00434856-00435118 you know the daggers on rings i mean uby9xPnqLfo-01929-00435119-00435255 that's uby9xPnqLfo-01930-00435256-00435407 that's you know i think a fairly uby9xPnqLfo-01931-00435408-00435647 distinctive thing that uby9xPnqLfo-01932-00435647-00435814 i think seems to be uby9xPnqLfo-01933-00435815-00436070 a regional phenomenon so so i uby9xPnqLfo-01934-00436071-00436255 i think it's entirely possible that uby9xPnqLfo-01935-00436256-00436431 there was that kind of influence going uby9xPnqLfo-01936-00436432-00436607 out it's just that the question of how uby9xPnqLfo-01937-00436608-00436766 to go about uby9xPnqLfo-01938-00436767-00436951 you know discovering it or identifying uby9xPnqLfo-01939-00436952-00437214 it that seems to be the challenge thank uby9xPnqLfo-01940-00437215-00437431 you because just i just rather article uby9xPnqLfo-01941-00437432-00437631 from my own public source and i think uby9xPnqLfo-01942-00437632-00437814 that the scholar was graduated from uby9xPnqLfo-01943-00437815-00437951 stanford something you know like he uby9xPnqLfo-01944-00437952-00438095 wrote something about uby9xPnqLfo-01945-00438096-00438287 like he was doing his research in uby9xPnqLfo-01946-00438288-00438495 thailand he found some kind of clues uby9xPnqLfo-01947-00438496-00438695 about nine dollars uby9xPnqLfo-01948-00438696-00438983 like influence in already kind of uby9xPnqLfo-01949-00438984-00439199 reached thailand in the seventh century uby9xPnqLfo-01950-00439200-00439375 yeah that would be great uby9xPnqLfo-01951-00439376-00439655 the naming system of the the king the uby9xPnqLfo-01952-00439656-00439839 kings of nine jaw is very different in uby9xPnqLfo-01953-00439839-00440118 southeast asia countries from china and uby9xPnqLfo-01954-00440119-00440447 tibet yeah it's just maybe it's it's a uby9xPnqLfo-01955-00440447-00440718 you know like a clue to it yeah that's a uby9xPnqLfo-01956-00440719-00440863 great source so thank you for mentioning uby9xPnqLfo-01957-00440864-00441103 that i'll definitely look into it i also uby9xPnqLfo-01958-00441104-00441207 i think that you know there was uby9xPnqLfo-01959-00441208-00441383 definitely political uby9xPnqLfo-01960-00441384-00441631 um influence there i mean because nanjao uby9xPnqLfo-01961-00441632-00441927 went in and and conquered a lot of those uby9xPnqLfo-01962-00441928-00442183 those regions um but then the question uby9xPnqLfo-01963-00442184-00442470 of you know how that coincided with with uby9xPnqLfo-01964-00442471-00442751 buddhism i think is is the one that um uby9xPnqLfo-01965-00442752-00442983 remains sort of open at least as far as uby9xPnqLfo-01966-00442984-00443159 as i know um but that would be a uby9xPnqLfo-01967-00443160-00443263 wonderful uby9xPnqLfo-01968-00443264-00443455 channel to look at thank you thank you uby9xPnqLfo-01969-00443456-00443703 thank you very much uby9xPnqLfo-01970-00443704-00444095 there's a lot to do uby9xPnqLfo-01971-00444096-00444335 usually the answers are i don't know or uby9xPnqLfo-01972-00444335-00444559 that would be great to look at but i uby9xPnqLfo-01973-00444560-00444791 think the difficulty of working across uby9xPnqLfo-01974-00444792-00444999 borders is always uby9xPnqLfo-01975-00445000-00445287 very difficult to find uby9xPnqLfo-01976-00445288-00445447 material is uby9xPnqLfo-01977-00445447-00446135 there a question over there uby9xPnqLfo-01978-00446135-00446379 thank you for uby9xPnqLfo-01979-00446380-00446670 watching and i have a question uby9xPnqLfo-01980-00446671-00446983 uh you mentioned that is uh missed uby9xPnqLfo-01981-00446984-00447222 in the northeast india uby9xPnqLfo-01982-00447223-00447391 i know that the tibetans because they uby9xPnqLfo-01983-00447392-00447583 believe that because the first mahakali uby9xPnqLfo-01984-00447584-00447807 qarani was written in bihar uby9xPnqLfo-01985-00447808-00447991 in malacca uby9xPnqLfo-01986-00447992-00448166 so did you look at some research because uby9xPnqLfo-01987-00448167-00448295 of this uh uby9xPnqLfo-01988-00448296-00448407 sanskrit uby9xPnqLfo-01989-00448408-00448622 because i know that because they used a uby9xPnqLfo-01990-00448623-00448831 lot of because uby9xPnqLfo-01991-00448832-00449039 i insist uby9xPnqLfo-01992-00449039-00449366 yeah um definitely so i i've um uby9xPnqLfo-01993-00449367-00449599 you know focused a lot on the you know uby9xPnqLfo-01994-00449600-00449783 bihar and bengal uby9xPnqLfo-01995-00449784-00449991 regions especially the images because i uby9xPnqLfo-01996-00449992-00450231 think those are the closest to the dali uby9xPnqLfo-01997-00450232-00450407 images of mahakala uby9xPnqLfo-01998-00450408-00450687 yes and also uby9xPnqLfo-01999-00450688-00450831 first uby9xPnqLfo-02000-00450832-00451064 of all uby9xPnqLfo-02001-00451064-00452127 [Music] uby9xPnqLfo-02002-00452128-00452383 yeah i mean um so i can i can certainly uby9xPnqLfo-02003-00452384-00452575 look more at that at that cave in that uby9xPnqLfo-02004-00452576-00452703 tradition because it sounds like it uby9xPnqLfo-02005-00452704-00452895 would be highly relevant for what i'm uby9xPnqLfo-02006-00452896-00453070 working on so thank you for sharing that uby9xPnqLfo-02007-00453071-00453255 suggestion and also because another uby9xPnqLfo-02008-00453256-00453510 question because you mentioned that uby9xPnqLfo-02009-00453512-00453751 killer because i use for liberation uby9xPnqLfo-02010-00453752-00453951 and uh you used the term because of uby9xPnqLfo-02011-00453952-00454375 moksha and tibetan uby9xPnqLfo-02012-00454376-00454607 so because i worried about is it afraid uby9xPnqLfo-02013-00454608-00454791 appropriate to use the tibetan term uby9xPnqLfo-02014-00454792-00455031 talbot because the tibetan dolphin is uby9xPnqLfo-02015-00455032-00455391 used is the ninth stage of dalwa so it's uby9xPnqLfo-02016-00455392-00455639 a last stage because of liberation is uby9xPnqLfo-02017-00455639-00455718 called uby9xPnqLfo-02018-00455719-00455975 nyande uby9xPnqLfo-02019-00455976-00456222 yeah um thank you and for this i should uby9xPnqLfo-02020-00456223-00456479 note that i'm relying um completely on uby9xPnqLfo-02021-00456480-00456751 other scholars work um because uby9xPnqLfo-02022-00456752-00456959 this looks because i could have sold uby9xPnqLfo-02023-00456960-00457118 some weakness because i got on this uby9xPnqLfo-02024-00457119-00457327 because the interpretation on tibetan uby9xPnqLfo-02025-00457328-00457591 because uby9xPnqLfo-02026-00457592-00457766 i used uby9xPnqLfo-02027-00457767-00458047 nine stages of tala and last stage is uby9xPnqLfo-02028-00458047-00458183 called yande uby9xPnqLfo-02029-00458184-00458487 and also because of sanskrit uby9xPnqLfo-02030-00458488-00458670 because it's very similar to brahmanic uby9xPnqLfo-02031-00458671-00458895 because of that because of moksha is it uby9xPnqLfo-02032-00458896-00459127 is it same because if it's near or not uby9xPnqLfo-02033-00459128-00459383 yeah i mean this is um what i was uby9xPnqLfo-02034-00459384-00459535 getting mainly from the work of kathy uby9xPnqLfo-02035-00459535-00459743 cantwell and robert mayer um the the uby9xPnqLfo-02036-00459743-00459935 terminology that they were using in uby9xPnqLfo-02037-00459935-00460110 their studies of these early i mean in uby9xPnqLfo-02038-00460112-00460318 this case um uby9xPnqLfo-02039-00460319-00460583 texts so i'm not i'm not completely sure uby9xPnqLfo-02040-00460584-00460847 um you know doloy i believe was was the uby9xPnqLfo-02041-00460847-00461103 term that they were seeing um in those uby9xPnqLfo-02042-00461104-00461343 texts but um i'm not sure about about uby9xPnqLfo-02043-00461343-00461583 the moksha you know translation uby9xPnqLfo-02044-00461584-00461759 but thank you for um bringing that to my uby9xPnqLfo-02045-00461760-00462083 attention i i really appreciate uby9xPnqLfo-02046-00462084-00462591 it um any other comment question uby9xPnqLfo-02047-00462592-00462814 new information uby9xPnqLfo-02048-00462815-00463087 then i'll ask my question uby9xPnqLfo-02049-00463088-00463487 um i'm very much interested in the uby9xPnqLfo-02050-00463488-00463783 what maybe we can call it symbolic uh or uby9xPnqLfo-02051-00463784-00463999 philosophical use of uby9xPnqLfo-02052-00464000-00464110 um uby9xPnqLfo-02053-00464112-00464231 objects uby9xPnqLfo-02054-00464232-00464479 so the the vajra the single uby9xPnqLfo-02055-00464480-00464655 uh single branch uby9xPnqLfo-02056-00464656-00464975 in japan serves not just as a ritual um uby9xPnqLfo-02057-00464976-00465199 instrument or something to to to do uby9xPnqLfo-02058-00465200-00465431 something within the ritual but also uby9xPnqLfo-02059-00465432-00465647 um as a uby9xPnqLfo-02060-00465647-00465766 uh uby9xPnqLfo-02061-00465767-00465975 you know embodiment of many other things uby9xPnqLfo-02062-00465976-00466375 including the country of japan and so uby9xPnqLfo-02063-00466376-00466670 if these daggers are so important and so uby9xPnqLfo-02064-00466671-00466983 um distinctive of of the dali kingdom is uby9xPnqLfo-02065-00466984-00467095 there any uby9xPnqLfo-02066-00467096-00467422 um way in which they serve or they are uby9xPnqLfo-02067-00467423-00467679 used in a different type of context that uby9xPnqLfo-02068-00467680-00467910 is not to the the more uh uby9xPnqLfo-02069-00467912-00468151 uh material one uby9xPnqLfo-02070-00468152-00468343 and they are meant uby9xPnqLfo-02071-00468343-00468614 they are made to to somehow uby9xPnqLfo-02072-00468615-00468799 uh they want to use the word symbol or uby9xPnqLfo-02073-00468800-00469014 but to to uby9xPnqLfo-02074-00469015-00469103 um uby9xPnqLfo-02075-00469104-00469351 yeah to stand for something more that is uby9xPnqLfo-02076-00469352-00469655 distinctively um buddhist interpretation uby9xPnqLfo-02077-00469656-00469847 of the area uby9xPnqLfo-02078-00469847-00470055 yeah um i think in this case the the uby9xPnqLfo-02079-00470056-00470303 connections that i would make are to uby9xPnqLfo-02080-00470304-00470527 the the ritual texts especially the one uby9xPnqLfo-02081-00470528-00470735 for inviting various deities because a uby9xPnqLfo-02082-00470735-00470999 recurrent concern in that text is uby9xPnqLfo-02083-00471000-00471247 the protection of the the state uby9xPnqLfo-02084-00471247-00471510 um and even though you know dolly is not uby9xPnqLfo-02085-00471512-00471743 specified in that text whereas it is uby9xPnqLfo-02086-00471743-00471903 like some of the other ritual texts uby9xPnqLfo-02087-00471904-00472159 specifically mention donors from the uby9xPnqLfo-02088-00472160-00472383 dali kingdom i mean they use that that uby9xPnqLfo-02089-00472384-00472670 phrase the dali kingdom donor um uby9xPnqLfo-02090-00472671-00472935 in in this ritual text um that doesn't uby9xPnqLfo-02091-00472935-00473095 show up but uby9xPnqLfo-02092-00473096-00473359 you know state protection is just uby9xPnqLfo-02093-00473360-00473622 a crucial concern and i think from that uby9xPnqLfo-02094-00473623-00473887 perspective um and because of the fact uby9xPnqLfo-02095-00473888-00474055 that that was in league pagoda where uby9xPnqLfo-02096-00474056-00474222 these daggers were found uby9xPnqLfo-02097-00474223-00474414 is um a court uby9xPnqLfo-02098-00474415-00474527 structure uby9xPnqLfo-02099-00474528-00474751 um so i do think from from those uby9xPnqLfo-02100-00474752-00474935 perspectives one can uby9xPnqLfo-02101-00474935-00475055 um uby9xPnqLfo-02102-00475056-00475247 sort of make the argument that these uby9xPnqLfo-02103-00475247-00475463 daggers along with the other you know uby9xPnqLfo-02104-00475464-00475695 similar kinds of objects in in this uby9xPnqLfo-02105-00475696-00475895 pagoda you know the other rings uby9xPnqLfo-02106-00475896-00476110 especially the vajra rings whether uby9xPnqLfo-02107-00476112-00476363 single or multi-pronged are in some ways uby9xPnqLfo-02108-00476364-00476518 materializing uby9xPnqLfo-02109-00476519-00476791 the power of of the dali uby9xPnqLfo-02110-00476792-00476870 kingdom i think that they're uby9xPnqLfo-02111-00476871-00477014 materializing 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v0EihxghyRQ-00000-00000027-00002883 [Music] v0EihxghyRQ-00001-00002884-00003015 so v0EihxghyRQ-00002-00003016-00003772 [Music] v0EihxghyRQ-00003-00003774-00005683 [Music] v0EihxghyRQ-00004-00005684-00007709 so v0EihxghyRQ-00007-00026151-00026360 you v1GCLpNFMjo-00000-00000056-00000231 something bad has happened a v1GCLpNFMjo-00001-00000231-00000471 double-stranded rna virus has entered v1GCLpNFMjo-00002-00000472-00000743 your body it's now on its way to your v1GCLpNFMjo-00003-00000744-00000966 cell where it's going to inject its v1GCLpNFMjo-00004-00000967-00001199 nucleic acid into your cell and then v1GCLpNFMjo-00005-00001200-00001470 produce a boat load of virus babies at v1GCLpNFMjo-00006-00001471-00001726 least that's what we're expecting right v1GCLpNFMjo-00007-00001727-00002039 except it turns out that no virus babies v1GCLpNFMjo-00008-00002039-00002142 are made v1GCLpNFMjo-00009-00002143-00002623 when uh the viral uh double-stranded rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00010-00002624-00002855 enters your cell or it's injected into v1GCLpNFMjo-00011-00002856-00003079 your cell it's supposed to integrate v1GCLpNFMjo-00012-00003080-00003327 itself with your dna so that it can v1GCLpNFMjo-00013-00003328-00003606 produce this mrna strand which will v1GCLpNFMjo-00014-00003607-00003838 eventually give you viral proteins now v1GCLpNFMjo-00015-00003839-00004095 these viral proteins are super essential v1GCLpNFMjo-00016-00004096-00004175 for v1GCLpNFMjo-00017-00004176-00004422 the formation or for the production of v1GCLpNFMjo-00018-00004423-00004591 the virus babies v1GCLpNFMjo-00019-00004592-00004870 so that means that something is v1GCLpNFMjo-00020-00004871-00005206 disrupting this entire process in such a v1GCLpNFMjo-00021-00005207-00005447 way that these viral proteins are not v1GCLpNFMjo-00022-00005448-00005711 made at all so if there are no viral v1GCLpNFMjo-00023-00005712-00005991 proteins there are no virus babies so v1GCLpNFMjo-00024-00005992-00006270 let's dig deep and find out what is this v1GCLpNFMjo-00025-00006271-00006591 something and how is this disruption v1GCLpNFMjo-00026-00006592-00006870 really working let's take a closer look v1GCLpNFMjo-00027-00006872-00007119 at this cell and all of these components v1GCLpNFMjo-00028-00007120-00007327 that i've drawn out v1GCLpNFMjo-00029-00007328-00007559 so this is our virus right over here and v1GCLpNFMjo-00030-00007559-00007870 it has injected that double uh stranded v1GCLpNFMjo-00031-00007872-00008006 rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00032-00008008-00008183 right into your cell so this is the v1GCLpNFMjo-00033-00008184-00008487 double stranded rna whenever the cell v1GCLpNFMjo-00034-00008488-00008846 senses this viral rna in its cytoplasm v1GCLpNFMjo-00035-00008847-00009135 an enzyme out of nowhere will show up v1GCLpNFMjo-00036-00009136-00009374 and start chopping this viral rna into v1GCLpNFMjo-00037-00009375-00009503 small pieces v1GCLpNFMjo-00038-00009504-00010135 this enzyme it's called dicer so this is v1GCLpNFMjo-00039-00010136-00010359 so this pink colored blob right over v1GCLpNFMjo-00040-00010360-00010663 here this is the enzyme dicer and it's v1GCLpNFMjo-00041-00010664-00010887 going to chop off this really long rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00042-00010888-00011119 into really tiny pieces so after v1GCLpNFMjo-00043-00011120-00011359 chopping off it's going to look v1GCLpNFMjo-00044-00011360-00011551 something like v1GCLpNFMjo-00045-00011552-00011742 this so we're just v1GCLpNFMjo-00046-00011743-00011951 chopping it off so now you have like v1GCLpNFMjo-00047-00011952-00012231 really smaller pieces of this longer v1GCLpNFMjo-00048-00012232-00012519 double stranded rna now this chopping v1GCLpNFMjo-00049-00012520-00012710 whenever dicer chops it off this v1GCLpNFMjo-00050-00012711-00012919 chopping lid leaves behind v1GCLpNFMjo-00051-00012919-00013294 something that is recognized by this v1GCLpNFMjo-00052-00013295-00013494 yellow blob over here now this yellow v1GCLpNFMjo-00053-00013495-00013847 blob is a multi-enzyme complex v1GCLpNFMjo-00054-00013847-00014047 so think of it in this way that whenever v1GCLpNFMjo-00055-00014047-00014447 dicer chops off the longer rna it leaves v1GCLpNFMjo-00056-00014447-00014791 this neon sticker at the end of each v1GCLpNFMjo-00057-00014791-00015038 chopping and this neon sticker is v1GCLpNFMjo-00058-00015040-00015415 recognized only by this yellow colored v1GCLpNFMjo-00059-00015416-00015663 multi-enzyme complex so the minute it v1GCLpNFMjo-00060-00015663-00016015 sees all any tiny rna or any small piece v1GCLpNFMjo-00061-00016016-00016271 of rna with that neon sticker it's going v1GCLpNFMjo-00062-00016272-00016599 to quickly bind itself or bind that v1GCLpNFMjo-00063-00016600-00016883 piece of rna with v1GCLpNFMjo-00064-00016884-00017239 itself now once these smaller rna pieces v1GCLpNFMjo-00065-00017240-00017575 are loaded onto this multi-enzyme yellow v1GCLpNFMjo-00066-00017576-00017814 colored complex right over here v1GCLpNFMjo-00067-00017815-00018071 it's going to split v1GCLpNFMjo-00068-00018072-00018391 the rna into its strands so remember v1GCLpNFMjo-00069-00018392-00018639 this is a double stranded rna i'll just v1GCLpNFMjo-00070-00018640-00018855 write it down so nobody forgets v1GCLpNFMjo-00071-00018856-00019063 including me so if this if this is the v1GCLpNFMjo-00072-00019064-00019263 double stranded rna it's chopped down v1GCLpNFMjo-00073-00019264-00019503 and these are still double stranded so v1GCLpNFMjo-00074-00019504-00019783 let's remember that and when it is split v1GCLpNFMjo-00075-00019784-00020055 apart these two strands they completely v1GCLpNFMjo-00076-00020056-00020335 separate so one of these strands it runs v1GCLpNFMjo-00077-00020336-00020527 in the five prime three prime direction v1GCLpNFMjo-00078-00020528-00020878 and this is the sense strand so this v1GCLpNFMjo-00079-00020879-00021167 is the sense strand and there's another v1GCLpNFMjo-00080-00021168-00021327 strand which runs in the opposite v1GCLpNFMjo-00081-00021328-00021550 direction and this is called the v1GCLpNFMjo-00082-00021551-00021839 anti-sense v1GCLpNFMjo-00083-00021840-00021943 strand v1GCLpNFMjo-00084-00021944-00022094 now what v1GCLpNFMjo-00085-00022095-00022367 this complex is going to do it's going v1GCLpNFMjo-00086-00022368-00022471 to v1GCLpNFMjo-00087-00022472-00022735 get rid of this v1GCLpNFMjo-00088-00022736-00023063 sense strand and hold on to this v1GCLpNFMjo-00089-00023064-00023319 antisense strand now can you guess why v1GCLpNFMjo-00090-00023320-00023478 that is so why v1GCLpNFMjo-00091-00023479-00023703 are we sticking with the antisense v1GCLpNFMjo-00092-00023704-00023927 strand and not with the scent strand why v1GCLpNFMjo-00093-00023928-00024191 can't we uh reverse this whole thing why v1GCLpNFMjo-00094-00024192-00024486 can't we uh get rid of the antisense one v1GCLpNFMjo-00095-00024487-00024703 and stick to the sense uh sense strand v1GCLpNFMjo-00096-00024704-00024847 instead v1GCLpNFMjo-00097-00024848-00025119 well so you see that this complex it's v1GCLpNFMjo-00098-00025120-00025407 going to it has a purpose for this sense v1GCLpNFMjo-00099-00025408-00025655 antisense trend what it's going to do v1GCLpNFMjo-00100-00025656-00025902 it's going to use this anti-sense strand v1GCLpNFMjo-00101-00025904-00026170 as a guide and look for its v1GCLpNFMjo-00102-00026172-00026423 complementary mrna v1GCLpNFMjo-00103-00026424-00026502 now v1GCLpNFMjo-00104-00026504-00026855 if you remember in dna replication we v1GCLpNFMjo-00105-00026856-00027151 had a coding strand and a non-coding v1GCLpNFMjo-00106-00027152-00027495 strand right so the non-coding strand is v1GCLpNFMjo-00107-00027495-00027783 the antique uh sense strand that's the v1GCLpNFMjo-00108-00027783-00028135 one that we use as a template to produce v1GCLpNFMjo-00109-00028136-00028502 an mrna so if over here i v1GCLpNFMjo-00110-00028504-00028790 start writing it down so okay so if this v1GCLpNFMjo-00111-00028791-00028918 pink one v1GCLpNFMjo-00112-00028919-00029014 is v1GCLpNFMjo-00113-00029016-00029414 the anti-sense strand and then v1GCLpNFMjo-00114-00029416-00029774 this anti anti-sense strand will act as v1GCLpNFMjo-00115-00029775-00030070 a template to which an mrna strand will v1GCLpNFMjo-00116-00030072-00030190 be formed v1GCLpNFMjo-00117-00030191-00030295 so v1GCLpNFMjo-00118-00030295-00030558 if this is the anti-sense strand then v1GCLpNFMjo-00119-00030560-00030855 this is the mrna strand so in that case v1GCLpNFMjo-00120-00030856-00031158 what will happen this antisense strand v1GCLpNFMjo-00121-00031160-00031358 is running in the three five three prime v1GCLpNFMjo-00122-00031360-00031623 five prime direction so the mrna strand v1GCLpNFMjo-00123-00031624-00031951 that will be produced it will run in v1GCLpNFMjo-00124-00031952-00032214 just the opposite direction v1GCLpNFMjo-00125-00032216-00032567 and it will have the complementary base v1GCLpNFMjo-00126-00032568-00032862 pairs to this anti-strand so which is v1GCLpNFMjo-00127-00032863-00033015 why v1GCLpNFMjo-00128-00033016-00033374 this mrna will bind with this antisense v1GCLpNFMjo-00129-00033375-00033535 strand right like it's it's v1GCLpNFMjo-00130-00033536-00033727 complementary to one another because of v1GCLpNFMjo-00131-00033728-00033918 the base pair so the complementary base v1GCLpNFMjo-00132-00033919-00034135 pairs so similarly and this was the v1GCLpNFMjo-00133-00034136-00034399 antisense dna that we were talking about v1GCLpNFMjo-00134-00034400-00034790 right so similarly this antisense rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00135-00034791-00035062 let's not forget this is an rna so this v1GCLpNFMjo-00136-00035063-00035335 antisense rna works in a very similar v1GCLpNFMjo-00137-00035336-00035630 manner so this antisense rna will look v1GCLpNFMjo-00138-00035631-00035959 for its complementary base pairs in the v1GCLpNFMjo-00139-00035960-00036207 mrna sequence and look for that mrna v1GCLpNFMjo-00140-00036208-00036487 which is complementary to it and once it v1GCLpNFMjo-00141-00036488-00036735 finds it out it's going to bind to that v1GCLpNFMjo-00142-00036736-00036862 mrna v1GCLpNFMjo-00143-00036863-00037167 right and if we can and if we had chosen v1GCLpNFMjo-00144-00037168-00037439 the send strand instead then this sent v1GCLpNFMjo-00145-00037440-00037639 strand will never be v1GCLpNFMjo-00146-00037640-00037871 uh used as a guide it will never act as v1GCLpNFMjo-00147-00037872-00038151 a guide because this sense strand and v1GCLpNFMjo-00148-00038152-00038455 this mrna strand they will have the same v1GCLpNFMjo-00149-00038456-00038774 base pairs how will it even bind right v1GCLpNFMjo-00150-00038775-00039015 they are they both work in the same they v1GCLpNFMjo-00151-00039016-00039111 are both v1GCLpNFMjo-00152-00039112-00039271 working in the same direction or they v1GCLpNFMjo-00153-00039272-00039462 run in the same direction and at the v1GCLpNFMjo-00154-00039463-00039646 same time they have the same complement v1GCLpNFMjo-00155-00039647-00039855 say same base pairs v1GCLpNFMjo-00156-00039856-00040079 so the sense strand will never work but v1GCLpNFMjo-00157-00040080-00040359 the antisense strand will so because of v1GCLpNFMjo-00158-00040360-00040446 this v1GCLpNFMjo-00159-00040447-00040743 relationship that it has the antisense v1GCLpNFMjo-00160-00040744-00040958 strand will quickly find the mrna v1GCLpNFMjo-00161-00040959-00041199 sequence which is complementary to it v1GCLpNFMjo-00162-00041200-00041430 and once this and why do we need to even v1GCLpNFMjo-00163-00041431-00041687 find this mrna strand at all right this v1GCLpNFMjo-00164-00041688-00041927 complementary mrna strand v1GCLpNFMjo-00165-00041928-00042167 because we want to get rid of this v1GCLpNFMjo-00166-00042168-00042351 strand completely v1GCLpNFMjo-00167-00042352-00042479 so once v1GCLpNFMjo-00168-00042480-00042790 the complex finds out or once the v1GCLpNFMjo-00169-00042791-00043046 complex uses this antisense strand to v1GCLpNFMjo-00170-00043047-00043383 find the complementary mrna it's going v1GCLpNFMjo-00171-00043384-00043751 to release these certain types of v1GCLpNFMjo-00172-00043752-00043935 enzymes do you see this pink colored v1GCLpNFMjo-00173-00043936-00044135 scissors i have drawn out so this is a v1GCLpNFMjo-00174-00044136-00044479 type of enzyme called slicer so i'll v1GCLpNFMjo-00175-00044480-00044735 just type it down this v1GCLpNFMjo-00176-00044736-00044823 is v1GCLpNFMjo-00177-00044824-00045007 slicer i don't know why i keep saying v1GCLpNFMjo-00178-00045008-00045279 type it's writing it down anyway so this v1GCLpNFMjo-00179-00045280-00045518 is the slicer enzyme and what it's going v1GCLpNFMjo-00180-00045519-00045927 to do it's going to chop off this mrna v1GCLpNFMjo-00181-00045928-00046271 into pieces and if this mrna is chopped v1GCLpNFMjo-00182-00046272-00046607 off these viral proteins won't be v1GCLpNFMjo-00183-00046608-00046943 produced at all so if there are no viral v1GCLpNFMjo-00184-00046944-00047271 proteins there are no virus babies v1GCLpNFMjo-00185-00047272-00047518 so do you see what really went down not v1GCLpNFMjo-00186-00047519-00047679 only are we v1GCLpNFMjo-00187-00047680-00047943 eliminating this double-stranded rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00188-00047944-00048255 that the virus had injected into our v1GCLpNFMjo-00189-00048256-00048590 cell but we're also getting rid of any v1GCLpNFMjo-00190-00048591-00048918 mrna that can possibly produce viral v1GCLpNFMjo-00191-00048919-00049174 proteins so if this virus was sneaky v1GCLpNFMjo-00192-00049175-00049543 enough to still have some mrna produced v1GCLpNFMjo-00193-00049544-00049783 we are also getting rid of that so v1GCLpNFMjo-00194-00049784-00050071 there's no mrna no double stranded rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00195-00050072-00050327 left anymore no viral proteins v1GCLpNFMjo-00196-00050328-00050655 absolutely no virus babies so this v1GCLpNFMjo-00197-00050656-00051015 entire process in which several enzymes v1GCLpNFMjo-00198-00051016-00051511 help rna to disrupt or interfere itself v1GCLpNFMjo-00199-00051512-00051911 is called rna interference so i will v1GCLpNFMjo-00200-00051912-00052126 write this down possibly in a different v1GCLpNFMjo-00201-00052127-00052230 color v1GCLpNFMjo-00202-00052232-00052615 so this is rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00203-00052616-00052959 interference v1GCLpNFMjo-00204-00052960-00053199 or in short we call it v1GCLpNFMjo-00205-00053200-00053350 rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00206-00053351-00053679 small i so this entire process is called v1GCLpNFMjo-00207-00053679-00054038 in uh rna interference and all of these v1GCLpNFMjo-00208-00054039-00054238 components of this process have their v1GCLpNFMjo-00209-00054239-00054494 own names as well for example when dicer v1GCLpNFMjo-00210-00054495-00054782 chops up this longer double-stranded rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00211-00054783-00054950 then it gives these really smaller v1GCLpNFMjo-00212-00054951-00055207 pieces of rna right then these are v1GCLpNFMjo-00213-00055208-00055382 called literally v1GCLpNFMjo-00214-00055383-00055735 small interfering rna or s-i rna so i v1GCLpNFMjo-00215-00055736-00055879 couldn't write the whole thing because i v1GCLpNFMjo-00216-00055879-00056054 don't have space v1GCLpNFMjo-00217-00056055-00056350 so let's write it somewhere else v1GCLpNFMjo-00218-00056351-00056687 let's move this a little bit here v1GCLpNFMjo-00219-00056688-00056919 so s i v1GCLpNFMjo-00220-00056920-00057135 wait both needs to be small so this v1GCLpNFMjo-00221-00057136-00057279 can't be capital v1GCLpNFMjo-00222-00057279-00057542 so s i rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00223-00057544-00057894 this stands for small v1GCLpNFMjo-00224-00057895-00058054 interfering v1GCLpNFMjo-00225-00058055-00058263 inter v1GCLpNFMjo-00226-00058264-00058559 fearing i need more space clearly v1GCLpNFMjo-00227-00058560-00058882 interfering v1GCLpNFMjo-00228-00058883-00059223 rna this is the same rna that has the v1GCLpNFMjo-00229-00059224-00059438 neon stickers attached to it the same v1GCLpNFMjo-00230-00059439-00059671 stickers which will be recognized by v1GCLpNFMjo-00231-00059672-00059982 this yellow blob of a complex and this v1GCLpNFMjo-00232-00059983-00060247 complex it also has a name of its own v1GCLpNFMjo-00233-00060248-00060630 it's called risk and if we expand that v1GCLpNFMjo-00234-00060632-00060887 then it comes to v1GCLpNFMjo-00235-00060888-00061094 rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00236-00061095-00061430 induced v1GCLpNFMjo-00237-00061432-00061838 silencing v1GCLpNFMjo-00238-00061839-00062094 complex v1GCLpNFMjo-00239-00062095-00062335 now why silencing complex why are we v1GCLpNFMjo-00240-00062336-00062559 calling it a silencing complex so v1GCLpNFMjo-00241-00062560-00062903 essentially when we are stopping v1GCLpNFMjo-00242-00062904-00063215 this mrna from translating into its v1GCLpNFMjo-00243-00063216-00063575 proteins we are actually stopping a gene v1GCLpNFMjo-00244-00063576-00063919 from expressing itself so in a way we v1GCLpNFMjo-00245-00063920-00064206 are silencing the gene so which is why v1GCLpNFMjo-00246-00064207-00064582 this entire process of rna interference v1GCLpNFMjo-00247-00064583-00064999 or rnai is called it's also called v1GCLpNFMjo-00248-00065000-00065326 gene silencing or gene knock down so v1GCLpNFMjo-00249-00065327-00065526 this entire process v1GCLpNFMjo-00250-00065527-00065711 is also called v1GCLpNFMjo-00251-00065712-00066079 gene silencing v1GCLpNFMjo-00252-00066080-00066503 or knockdown v1GCLpNFMjo-00253-00066504-00066750 but rna interference doesn't just v1GCLpNFMjo-00254-00066751-00067063 protect you or defend you from these v1GCLpNFMjo-00255-00067064-00067399 outside threats like viral rnas it also v1GCLpNFMjo-00256-00067400-00067703 protects you from inside threats and one v1GCLpNFMjo-00257-00067704-00067855 of these threats v1GCLpNFMjo-00258-00067856-00068055 they come in the form of something v1GCLpNFMjo-00259-00068056-00068350 called micro rna so i'll write it down v1GCLpNFMjo-00260-00068351-00068567 here it's called micro v1GCLpNFMjo-00261-00068568-00068687 rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00262-00068688-00068959 or in short we call it v1GCLpNFMjo-00263-00068960-00069311 small m small i m i rna so these micro v1GCLpNFMjo-00264-00069312-00069567 rnas have been long associated with the v1GCLpNFMjo-00265-00069568-00069855 development of various types of cancer v1GCLpNFMjo-00266-00069856-00070094 if we don't get rid of them we might v1GCLpNFMjo-00267-00070095-00070271 succumb to v1GCLpNFMjo-00268-00070272-00070567 cancer more often thankfully rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00269-00070568-00070879 interference can also play a part and v1GCLpNFMjo-00270-00070880-00071223 get rid of these micro rnas as well so v1GCLpNFMjo-00271-00071224-00071519 how does that happen v1GCLpNFMjo-00272-00071520-00071791 so one of the things about micro rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00273-00071792-00072047 again let's zoom in v1GCLpNFMjo-00274-00072048-00072303 okay so this over here that you can see v1GCLpNFMjo-00275-00072304-00072638 this hair lo hair pin like structure v1GCLpNFMjo-00276-00072639-00073015 over here this is the micro rna so we'll v1GCLpNFMjo-00277-00073016-00073367 just write it down this is the micro rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00278-00073368-00073462 now v1GCLpNFMjo-00279-00073463-00073735 when so the thing about a micro rna is v1GCLpNFMjo-00280-00073736-00074150 that it's actually a single stranded rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00281-00074151-00074494 sequence but what it does it fold back v1GCLpNFMjo-00282-00074495-00074847 falls back on itself and with the help v1GCLpNFMjo-00283-00074848-00075038 of this forming this v1GCLpNFMjo-00284-00075039-00075399 hairpin like loop structure and it forms v1GCLpNFMjo-00285-00075400-00075623 a structure something similar to this so v1GCLpNFMjo-00286-00075624-00075879 it also has a sense and an antisense v1GCLpNFMjo-00287-00075880-00075982 strand v1GCLpNFMjo-00288-00075983-00076150 although it started out as a single v1GCLpNFMjo-00289-00076151-00076262 stranded v1GCLpNFMjo-00290-00076263-00076606 rna sequence now when this happens then v1GCLpNFMjo-00291-00076607-00076847 dicer what it's going to do it's going v1GCLpNFMjo-00292-00076848-00077271 to come over here and chop off this v1GCLpNFMjo-00293-00077272-00077399 hairpin v1GCLpNFMjo-00294-00077400-00077535 structure v1GCLpNFMjo-00295-00077536-00077831 right from the middle so this hairpin v1GCLpNFMjo-00296-00077832-00078150 structure it will chop it off like this v1GCLpNFMjo-00297-00078151-00078559 then what is remaining from this is this v1GCLpNFMjo-00298-00078560-00078767 double stranded v1GCLpNFMjo-00299-00078768-00079062 mi rna this is also an mi rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00300-00079063-00079350 and this looks very similar to the small v1GCLpNFMjo-00301-00079351-00079655 interfering rna from that viral rna v1GCLpNFMjo-00302-00079656-00079911 cycle that or the process that we saw v1GCLpNFMjo-00303-00079912-00080182 this one so these two are very similar v1GCLpNFMjo-00304-00080183-00080350 to one another they both have two v1GCLpNFMjo-00305-00080351-00080606 strands and they both have the same v1GCLpNFMjo-00306-00080607-00080815 number of base pairs so they're pretty v1GCLpNFMjo-00307-00080816-00081111 look pretty similar looking so again the v1GCLpNFMjo-00308-00081112-00081391 entire process now flows as it goes on v1GCLpNFMjo-00309-00081392-00081799 for our uh viral rna process again risk v1GCLpNFMjo-00310-00081800-00081935 shows up v1GCLpNFMjo-00311-00081936-00082423 and it's going to bind to uh this mrna v1GCLpNFMjo-00312-00082424-00082694 sequence mi rna sequence v1GCLpNFMjo-00313-00082695-00082879 the micro rna sequence v1GCLpNFMjo-00314-00082880-00083135 and then it's going to split v1GCLpNFMjo-00315-00083136-00083438 this into two strands the sense and the v1GCLpNFMjo-00316-00083439-00083711 antisense strand once again and it will v1GCLpNFMjo-00317-00083712-00083918 get rid of the v1GCLpNFMjo-00318-00083919-00084150 an ascend strand and it will keep only v1GCLpNFMjo-00319-00084151-00084391 the antisense strand and it's going to v1GCLpNFMjo-00320-00084392-00084718 look for its complementary mrna and v1GCLpNFMjo-00321-00084719-00084991 find that and then slicers are going to v1GCLpNFMjo-00322-00084992-00085471 show up and cut off this mrna no mrna no v1GCLpNFMjo-00323-00085472-00085735 proteins so rna interference is very v1GCLpNFMjo-00324-00085736-00085982 specific that way like it will for v1GCLpNFMjo-00325-00085983-00086262 follow a very specific path and it will v1GCLpNFMjo-00326-00086263-00086526 kind of stick to that and which is v1GCLpNFMjo-00327-00086527-00086711 exactly what happens here it is so v1GCLpNFMjo-00328-00086712-00086943 precise it has this one pathway to v1GCLpNFMjo-00329-00086944-00087223 follow it will only chop off those v1GCLpNFMjo-00330-00087224-00087511 complementary mrnas that v1GCLpNFMjo-00331-00087512-00087831 binds with this antisense strand and it v1GCLpNFMjo-00332-00087832-00088047 sticks to that it doesn't really deviate v1GCLpNFMjo-00333-00088048-00088199 much which is why v1GCLpNFMjo-00334-00088200-00088431 rna interference or this entire process v1GCLpNFMjo-00335-00088432-00088623 has become a breakthrough in the medical v1GCLpNFMjo-00336-00088624-00088838 field uh not just medical field but in v1GCLpNFMjo-00337-00088839-00089118 biology in general so and its v1GCLpNFMjo-00338-00089119-00089279 applications there are so many v1GCLpNFMjo-00339-00089280-00089559 applications of rna interference that we v1GCLpNFMjo-00340-00089560-00089806 would actually need another whole video v1GCLpNFMjo-00341-00089807-00090151 to just talk about them v2h2hGBMewo-00000-00000187-00000401 and who narrates v2h2hGBMewo-00001-00000401-00000790 in the rimsy and ibnemaja and similar v2h2hGBMewo-00002-00000791-00001066 words have also be narrated in bukhari v2h2hGBMewo-00003-00001067-00001404 in Muslim by hazat v2h2hGBMewo-00004-00001405-00001726 that Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam v2h2hGBMewo-00005-00001727-00001889 said v2h2hGBMewo-00006-00001889-00002189 that when the first night of the month v2h2hGBMewo-00007-00002190-00002573 of Ramadan comes the devils and the v2h2hGBMewo-00008-00002574-00002963 defiant jinns that is all the jinns who v2h2hGBMewo-00009-00002964-00003304 follow and obey the devil and they are v2h2hGBMewo-00010-00003305-00003688 the disobedient jinns all the devils and v2h2hGBMewo-00011-00003689-00004043 the defiant gems are bound in chains v2h2hGBMewo-00012-00004044-00004291 that is they are all chained up v2h2hGBMewo-00013-00004292-00004786 and all the gates of hell are closed and v2h2hGBMewo-00014-00004787-00005081 none of them remains open and all the v2h2hGBMewo-00015-00005082-00005386 Gates of Heaven are thrown open and none v2h2hGBMewo-00016-00005387-00005675 of them remains closed and the Heavenly v2h2hGBMewo-00017-00005676-00005927 Herald announces v2h2hGBMewo-00018-00005928-00006341 o seeker of goodness and virtue v2h2hGBMewo-00019-00006342-00006701 advance and do all v2h2hGBMewo-00020-00006702-00007348 and oh seeker of evil and sin Halt and v2h2hGBMewo-00021-00007350-00007601 do not come forward v2h2hGBMewo-00022-00007602-00007877 and then Prophet salason added v2h2hGBMewo-00023-00007878-00008219 a large number of sinning bondsmen are v2h2hGBMewo-00024-00008220-00008477 released from hell at the command of v2h2hGBMewo-00025-00008478-00008645 Allah v2h2hGBMewo-00026-00008646-00009077 and all this takes place on every night v2h2hGBMewo-00027-00009078-00009310 of Ramadan v2h2hGBMewo-00028-00009311-00009605 subhanallah v2h2hGBMewo-00029-00009606-00010099 subhanallah subhanallah v2h2hGBMewo-00030-00010100-00010474 help all of us to be one of the lucky v2h2hGBMewo-00031-00010475-00010846 ones who respond to the goal of this v2h2hGBMewo-00032-00010847-00011009 announcer v2h2hGBMewo-00033-00011010-00011501 make us one of those who proceed v2h2hGBMewo-00034-00011502-00011867 in the in The Virtuous deeds and in the v2h2hGBMewo-00035-00011868-00012245 Deeds of goodness and who Halt and stop v2h2hGBMewo-00036-00012246-00012581 in form of all the evil deeds and in all v2h2hGBMewo-00037-00012582-00012880 the sins and all the disobediences and v2h2hGBMewo-00038-00012881-00013422 all the transgressions v2h2hGBMewo-00039-00013423-00013871 and who reports in bukhari that he v2h2hGBMewo-00040-00013872-00014033 himself narrates v2h2hGBMewo-00041-00014034-00014380 that the messenger of Allah was Superior v2h2hGBMewo-00042-00014381-00014669 to all the men in generosity v2h2hGBMewo-00043-00014669-00014916 and doing good to the people in general v2h2hGBMewo-00044-00014918-00015263 but in the month of Ramadan v2h2hGBMewo-00045-00015263-00015629 his virtues and his piousness knew no v2h2hGBMewo-00046-00015630-00015965 bounds in Ramadan jibril alaihissalam v2h2hGBMewo-00047-00015966-00016253 used to come to him every night and v2h2hGBMewo-00048-00016254-00016553 Prophet salallahu recited the Quran to v2h2hGBMewo-00049-00016554-00016667 him v2h2hGBMewo-00050-00016668-00016903 during those days Prophet salallahu v2h2hGBMewo-00051-00016904-00017207 appeared to be faster than winds in v2h2hGBMewo-00052-00017208-00017591 generosity and in kindness and in Good v2h2hGBMewo-00053-00017592-00017722 Deeds v2h2hGBMewo-00054-00017723-00018215 so this is how this is how observing the v2h2hGBMewo-00055-00018216-00018557 manners of the Prophet sallallahu we are v2h2hGBMewo-00056-00018558-00019013 we are expected to respond to the to the v2h2hGBMewo-00057-00019014-00019319 announcement of the announcer v2h2hGBMewo-00058-00019320-00019577 and what about people who are not going v2h2hGBMewo-00059-00019578-00020275 to respond to this announcement v2h2hGBMewo-00060-00020276-00020580 that Prophet Islam v2h2hGBMewo-00061-00020581-00021053 was stepping up and he ascended and the v2h2hGBMewo-00062-00021054-00021389 first step he took he said Amin and then v2h2hGBMewo-00063-00021390-00021605 he on the Second Step he again said v2h2hGBMewo-00064-00021606-00021880 ameen and then on the third step he v2h2hGBMewo-00065-00021881-00022189 again said ameen the messenger said v2h2hGBMewo-00066-00022190-00022528 asked that we did not see anybody pray v2h2hGBMewo-00067-00022529-00022855 then what were you saying are mean to v2h2hGBMewo-00068-00022856-00023233 Prophet salazam answered v2h2hGBMewo-00069-00023234-00023711 came and he said May the person suffer v2h2hGBMewo-00070-00023712-00024035 Perdition who witnessed ramzan and was v2h2hGBMewo-00071-00024036-00024430 not forgiven of his sins that is he he v2h2hGBMewo-00072-00024431-00024743 was there in ramzan and he found the v2h2hGBMewo-00073-00024744-00025013 month of ramazan but he did not work v2h2hGBMewo-00074-00025014-00025325 hard he did not struggle he did not v2h2hGBMewo-00075-00025326-00025571 strive to gather the blessings and the v2h2hGBMewo-00076-00025572-00025793 bounties and the forgivenesses and the v2h2hGBMewo-00077-00025794-00026311 mercies of Allah v2h2hGBMewo-00078-00026312-00026699 that may he suffer from perdition v2h2hGBMewo-00079-00026700-00026945 and then Prophet salazam said to this v2h2hGBMewo-00080-00026945-00027287 prayer did I say I mean and then when I v2h2hGBMewo-00081-00027288-00027473 stepped on the Second Step positive v2h2hGBMewo-00082-00027474-00027695 Brian said May the person suffer v2h2hGBMewo-00083-00027695-00027952 petition when your name is recited v2h2hGBMewo-00084-00027954-00028170 before him whose name prophet v2h2hGBMewo-00085-00028172-00028427 salallahu's name is recited before him v2h2hGBMewo-00086-00028427-00029005 and who does not send blessings upon him v2h2hGBMewo-00087-00029006-00029489 and then I answered Amin when I climbed v2h2hGBMewo-00088-00029489-00029635 the third step v2h2hGBMewo-00089-00029636-00029939 Islam said May the person suffer v2h2hGBMewo-00090-00029939-00030299 petition when he finds both are either v2h2hGBMewo-00091-00030300-00030611 of his old parents and does not earn v2h2hGBMewo-00092-00030612-00031127 Jannah by serving them and I stated a v2h2hGBMewo-00093-00031127-00031540 mean so this is this is this is the v2h2hGBMewo-00094-00031541-00031907 destructive result of the person who is v2h2hGBMewo-00095-00031908-00032224 not responding to the cause and who is v2h2hGBMewo-00096-00032225-00032507 not halting for the evil deeds and for v2h2hGBMewo-00097-00032508-00032807 the sins during ramzan and who is not v2h2hGBMewo-00098-00032808-00033173 trying to struggle to proceed for the v2h2hGBMewo-00099-00033174-00033479 virtues and for the righteous deeds in v2h2hGBMewo-00100-00033480-00033731 ramzan v2h2hGBMewo-00101-00033732-00034240 how how much Allah will reward v2h2hGBMewo-00102-00034241-00034459 and how much will the person be v2h2hGBMewo-00103-00034460-00034668 recompensed v2h2hGBMewo-00104-00034669-00035009 and who narrates in bukhari and Muslim v2h2hGBMewo-00105-00035010-00035309 that Prophet salallahu said v2h2hGBMewo-00106-00035310-00035657 the reward on every virtuous deed is v2h2hGBMewo-00107-00035658-00036077 increased from 10 to 700 times and this v2h2hGBMewo-00108-00036078-00036505 is what is explained in Quran v2h2hGBMewo-00109-00036506-00036773 referring to the Quran said I repeat v2h2hGBMewo-00110-00036774-00037139 again that reward to every virtuous deed v2h2hGBMewo-00111-00037140-00037601 is increased from 10 to 700 times but v2h2hGBMewo-00112-00037602-00037912 the standing command of Allah about v2h2hGBMewo-00113-00037913-00038417 fasting is that the fast is an exception v2h2hGBMewo-00114-00038418-00038746 it is a special gift of the bondsman v2h2hGBMewo-00115-00038747-00039059 from being and I shall reward him v2h2hGBMewo-00116-00039060-00039437 directly for it the bondsman foregoes v2h2hGBMewo-00117-00039438-00039839 food and drinks solely for my sake and I v2h2hGBMewo-00118-00039840-00040115 shall therefore recompense him for the v2h2hGBMewo-00119-00040116-00040445 sacrifice according to my pleasure there v2h2hGBMewo-00120-00040446-00040715 are two moments of special joy for the v2h2hGBMewo-00121-00040716-00041080 man who fasts one is when he breaks the v2h2hGBMewo-00122-00041081-00041501 fast and then he experiences and this v2h2hGBMewo-00123-00041502-00041818 Joy is when he experiences in his v2h2hGBMewo-00124-00041819-00042052 worldly life and the other Joy will be v2h2hGBMewo-00125-00042053-00042352 when the other Joy will be in Hereafter v2h2hGBMewo-00126-00042353-00042767 when he will be presented before Allah v2h2hGBMewo-00127-00042768-00043168 I swear the bad smell which is coming v2h2hGBMewo-00128-00043169-00043415 out from the mouth of a person who is v2h2hGBMewo-00129-00043416-00043709 fasting is more pleasant it's more v2h2hGBMewo-00130-00043710-00044021 pleasant to Allah than the sweet smell v2h2hGBMewo-00131-00044022-00044321 of Musk subhanallah v2h2hGBMewo-00132-00044322-00044531 foreign v2h2hGBMewo-00133-00044532-00045607 [Music] v2h2hGBMewo-00134-00045608-00045995 added and fast is a shield v2h2hGBMewo-00135-00045996-00046349 and what any one of you keeps fasts he v2h2hGBMewo-00136-00046350-00046690 must not utter indecent words or engage v2h2hGBMewo-00137-00046691-00047189 in any noisy scene and or anyone to v2h2hGBMewo-00138-00047190-00047471 quarrel with him and call him names he v2h2hGBMewo-00139-00047472-00047861 should simply say I am I am fasting v2h2hGBMewo-00140-00047862-00048161 here in these words Prophet salazam has v2h2hGBMewo-00141-00048162-00048427 called that the sh that fast is a shield v2h2hGBMewo-00142-00048428-00048935 now fast is a shield from what it is a v2h2hGBMewo-00143-00048936-00049199 shield and a protection in this world v2h2hGBMewo-00144-00049200-00049571 against the tempting things the v2h2hGBMewo-00145-00049572-00049877 attractive things and then against the v2h2hGBMewo-00146-00049878-00050207 assaults of the devil and in here after v2h2hGBMewo-00147-00050208-00050596 it will be a shield against the fire of v2h2hGBMewo-00148-00050597-00051511 hell v2h2hGBMewo-00149-00051512-00051826 there is a special gate of paradise v2h2hGBMewo-00150-00051827-00052192 which is known as rayyan and only those v2h2hGBMewo-00151-00052194-00052451 who observe fasting will be allowed to v2h2hGBMewo-00152-00052452-00052654 enter through it on the day of v2h2hGBMewo-00153-00052655-00052775 Resurrection v2h2hGBMewo-00154-00052776-00053153 on that day it will be called out it v2h2hGBMewo-00155-00053154-00053459 will be called out aloud where are The v2h2hGBMewo-00156-00053460-00053704 Bondsmen who used to fast for the sake v2h2hGBMewo-00157-00053705-00054082 of Allah and endure the banks of hunger v2h2hGBMewo-00158-00054083-00054244 and thirst v2h2hGBMewo-00159-00054245-00054515 such of The Bondsmen would respond to v2h2hGBMewo-00160-00054516-00054869 the call and save them no one will be v2h2hGBMewo-00161-00054870-00055187 permitted to enter in this gate and when v2h2hGBMewo-00162-00055188-00055403 they will all have entered Jannah v2h2hGBMewo-00163-00055404-00055709 through this gate it will be shut and v2h2hGBMewo-00164-00055710-00056003 then no one else will be allowed to v2h2hGBMewo-00165-00056004-00056176 enter from it v2h2hGBMewo-00166-00056177-00056641 foreign v2h2hGBMewo-00167-00056641-00057180 [Music] v2h2hGBMewo-00168-00057182-00057491 was approached by one of his companions v2h2hGBMewo-00169-00057491-00057803 and he asked that please command me to v2h2hGBMewo-00170-00057804-00058109 perform an act from which with which v2h2hGBMewo-00171-00058110-00058504 Allah will give me the maximum of reward v2h2hGBMewo-00172-00058505-00058823 that is I will gain the maximum of v2h2hGBMewo-00173-00058824-00059104 rewards and profits in hereafter v2h2hGBMewo-00174-00059105-00059392 what did Prophet salazam say v2h2hGBMewo-00175-00059394-00059591 keep fast v2h2hGBMewo-00176-00059591-00060082 there is nothing like it v2h2hGBMewo-00177-00060083-00060300 then v2h2hGBMewo-00178-00060301-00060671 reports in bukhari and Muslim that v2h2hGBMewo-00179-00060672-00060832 Prophet said v2h2hGBMewo-00180-00060833-00061623 he v2h2hGBMewo-00181-00061624-00061816 [Music] v2h2hGBMewo-00182-00061817-00062279 Prophet said that a person who fasts in v2h2hGBMewo-00183-00062279-00062459 the month of Ramadan v2h2hGBMewo-00184-00062460-00062711 in a state of belief v2h2hGBMewo-00185-00062712-00062957 in a state of faith v2h2hGBMewo-00186-00062958-00063138 and in a condition v2h2hGBMewo-00187-00063139-00063659 that his heart is is hoping that he will v2h2hGBMewo-00188-00063660-00063988 be rewarding and he has a conviction he v2h2hGBMewo-00189-00063989-00064300 has a deep conviction in his in his soul v2h2hGBMewo-00190-00064301-00064606 that he will be rewarded for all that so v2h2hGBMewo-00191-00064607-00064859 out of the intention of reward here v2h2hGBMewo-00192-00064860-00065206 after a person who is going to fast in v2h2hGBMewo-00193-00065207-00065694 the month of Ramadan v2h2hGBMewo-00194-00065695-00066179 all the previous sins will be for Kevin v2h2hGBMewo-00195-00066180-00066569 all the previous sins will be forgiven v2h2hGBMewo-00196-00066570-00066749 subhanallah v2h2hGBMewo-00197-00066750-00067597 and then Prophet is v2h2hGBMewo-00198-00067598-00068009 any person who stands for Salah v2h2hGBMewo-00199-00068010-00068309 who stands for Salah these are these are v2h2hGBMewo-00200-00068310-00068573 what these are the superherogatory Salah v2h2hGBMewo-00201-00068574-00068815 the Salat v2h2hGBMewo-00202-00068816-00069082 of Ramadan v2h2hGBMewo-00203-00069083-00069569 who stands in ramazan in Salah in a v2h2hGBMewo-00204-00069570-00069832 state of faith and belief v2h2hGBMewo-00205-00069833-00070109 with intention of being rewarded here v2h2hGBMewo-00206-00070110-00070456 after then even his all previous sins v2h2hGBMewo-00207-00070457-00070703 will be forgiven v2h2hGBMewo-00208-00070704-00070967 and then last but not the least prophesy v2h2hGBMewo-00209-00070968-00071875 and finally added v2h2hGBMewo-00210-00071876-00072467 whoever stands in prayers in Salah in v2h2hGBMewo-00211-00072468-00072791 the nights of Lila in a state of faith v2h2hGBMewo-00212-00072792-00073150 and believe and expecting and hoping for v2h2hGBMewo-00213-00073151-00073409 reward with intention of being rewarded v2h2hGBMewo-00214-00073410-00073799 in Hereafter than even all his sins will v2h2hGBMewo-00215-00073800-00074129 be forgiven all the sins of his previous v2h2hGBMewo-00216-00074130-00074393 life will be forgiven v2h2hGBMewo-00217-00074394-00074800 so the worships of ramazan v2h2hGBMewo-00218-00074801-00075191 the working of ramazan the striving and v2h2hGBMewo-00219-00075192-00075599 struggling and sacrificing of Ramadan is v2h2hGBMewo-00220-00075600-00076144 all what it is a simple and it is v2h2hGBMewo-00221-00076145-00076487 like one of the easiest formulas v2h2hGBMewo-00222-00076488-00076865 for getting all of our previous lives v2h2hGBMewo-00223-00076866-00077003 since v2h2hGBMewo-00224-00077004-00077315 being forgiven being pardoned v2h2hGBMewo-00225-00077316-00077638 Allahu v2h2hGBMewo-00226-00077639-00078238 Allah v2h2hGBMewo-00227-00078239-00079383 foreign v2h2hGBMewo-00228-00079384-00079541 [Music] v2h2hGBMewo-00229-00079542-00079679 and then v2h2hGBMewo-00230-00079680-00079962 worshiping in the lights v2h2hGBMewo-00231-00079963-00080525 these are all in a state of Iman and are v2h2hGBMewo-00232-00080526-00080819 going to lead to forgiveness of all of v2h2hGBMewo-00233-00080820-00081403 our sins in this sacred month v2h2hGBMewo-00234-00081404-00081850 guide us all support us all best us all v2h2hGBMewo-00235-00081851-00082109 with the best of health best of v2h2hGBMewo-00236-00082110-00082367 condition and the best of helpers and v2h2hGBMewo-00237-00082368-00082655 supporters in our family that we may be v2h2hGBMewo-00238-00082656-00082900 able to struggle and strive to gather v2h2hGBMewo-00239-00082901-00083449 all these v2h2hGBMewo-00240-00083450-00083765 and who reports that Prophet salallahu v2h2hGBMewo-00241-00083766-00084023 narrated said v2h2hGBMewo-00242-00084024-00084544 that the fast and Quran will both plead v2h2hGBMewo-00243-00084545-00084832 or intercede on the behalf of The v2h2hGBMewo-00244-00084833-00085175 Bondsmen who fasted and who recited v2h2hGBMewo-00245-00085176-00085403 Quran v2h2hGBMewo-00246-00085404-00085697 the fast will say that is how will the v2h2hGBMewo-00247-00085698-00085847 fast intercede on the day of v2h2hGBMewo-00248-00085848-00086219 Resurrection the fast will say my Lord I v2h2hGBMewo-00249-00086220-00086488 held him back from food and drink and v2h2hGBMewo-00250-00086489-00086776 sexual satisfaction it accept my v2h2hGBMewo-00251-00086777-00087035 intercession for him today v2h2hGBMewo-00252-00087036-00087238 that is treat him with mercy and v2h2hGBMewo-00253-00087239-00087382 forgiveness v2h2hGBMewo-00254-00087383-00087743 and then the Quran will say I had held v2h2hGBMewo-00255-00087744-00087947 him back from taking rest and sleeping v2h2hGBMewo-00256-00087948-00088147 in the night v2h2hGBMewo-00257-00088148-00088594 accept my intercession for him today v2h2hGBMewo-00258-00088595-00088882 and the Quran will be interceding v2h2hGBMewo-00259-00088883-00089261 and pledging and pleading Allah to treat v2h2hGBMewo-00260-00089262-00089506 him with mercy and forgiveness and v2h2hGBMewo-00261-00089507-00089699 Prophet sallallahu alaihi Islam added v2h2hGBMewo-00262-00089700-00090017 the intercession of both that is the v2h2hGBMewo-00263-00090018-00090275 fast and Quran will be accepted for the v2h2hGBMewo-00264-00090276-00090568 bondsman and he will be treated v2h2hGBMewo-00265-00090569-00090893 mercifully and all his sins will be v2h2hGBMewo-00266-00090894-00091309 forgiven v2h2hGBMewo-00267-00091310-00091582 we're going to be offered because of v2h2hGBMewo-00268-00091583-00091981 this Ramadan v2h2hGBMewo-00269-00091982-00092711 and who repose v2h2hGBMewo-00270-00092712-00093100 that Prophet salazam said whoever omits v2h2hGBMewo-00271-00093101-00093281 whoever v2h2hGBMewo-00272-00093282-00093491 a man a woman v2h2hGBMewo-00273-00093492-00093706 a boy a girl v2h2hGBMewo-00274-00093707-00094037 for anybody for whom the fasting of v2h2hGBMewo-00275-00094038-00094553 Ramadan was obligatory whoever omits a v2h2hGBMewo-00276-00094554-00094871 single fast of Ramadan without a legal v2h2hGBMewo-00277-00094872-00095255 concession of Journey or illness I'll be v2h2hGBMewo-00278-00095256-00095512 talking about that without a legal v2h2hGBMewo-00279-00095513-00095771 concession v2h2hGBMewo-00280-00095772-00096094 then v2h2hGBMewo-00281-00096095-00096497 no amendment can be made for this v2h2hGBMewo-00282-00096498-00096797 no amendment can be made for the for the v2h2hGBMewo-00283-00096798-00097103 fast which was omitted even though if v2h2hGBMewo-00284-00097104-00097349 the person observes fasting throughout v2h2hGBMewo-00285-00097350-00097565 the life v2h2hGBMewo-00286-00097566-00097829 so there is no Amendment there is v2h2hGBMewo-00287-00097830-00098129 absolutely no kafara which has been v2h2hGBMewo-00288-00098130-00098488 suggested by Quran by hadees that if a v2h2hGBMewo-00289-00098489-00098849 person knowingly knowingly v2h2hGBMewo-00290-00098850-00099161 without any reason v2h2hGBMewo-00291-00099162-00099547 without any legal excuse or concession v2h2hGBMewo-00292-00099548-00100037 just leaves a fast or from Azan a day v2h2hGBMewo-00293-00100038-00100379 then there will be no nothing or not v2h2hGBMewo-00294-00100380-00100631 even observing the fast for the whole of v2h2hGBMewo-00295-00100632-00100871 the month which will be an amendment for v2h2hGBMewo-00296-00100872-00101256 this v2h2hGBMewo-00297-00101257-00101561 and who has narrated v2h2hGBMewo-00298-00101562-00101903 that how we need to spend the night and v2h2hGBMewo-00299-00101904-00102341 how we need to spend the months v2h2hGBMewo-00300-00102342-00102665 and Hazard anas also has related v2h2hGBMewo-00301-00102666-00103375 that Prophet salallahu said v2h2hGBMewo-00302-00103376-00103666 descends and the company of angels and v2h2hGBMewo-00303-00103667-00103973 prays for Mercy For The Bondsmen who are v2h2hGBMewo-00304-00103974-00104236 engaged in worship and remembrance of v2h2hGBMewo-00305-00104238-00104584 Allah standing or sitting so the angels v2h2hGBMewo-00306-00104585-00104860 will be asking for the Forgiveness of v2h2hGBMewo-00307-00104861-00105239 those who are fasting for those who are v2h2hGBMewo-00308-00105240-00105599 standing in Salah and for those who are v2h2hGBMewo-00309-00105600-00106249 who will be in the state of remembrance v2h2hGBMewo-00310-00106250-00106745 help us all remember all these and adopt v2h2hGBMewo-00311-00106746-00107270 what is instructed by hadees and Sunnah v5Hd6DEiDY4-00000-00000566-00001033 [Music] v5Hd6DEiDY4-00001-00001034-00001419 right now v5Hd6DEiDY4-00002-00001420-00003420 [Music] v5Hd6DEiDY4-00003-00003421-00003577 wait wait v5Hd6DEiDY4-00004-00003578-00004104 [Music] v5Hd6DEiDY4-00005-00004105-00004259 mommy oh v5Hd6DEiDY4-00006-00004260-00004504 [Music] v5Hd6DEiDY4-00007-00004505-00004666 wait wait wait v5Hd6DEiDY4-00008-00004667-00005365 [Music] v5Hd6DEiDY4-00009-00005366-00005485 [Music] v5Hd6DEiDY4-00010-00005486-00006186 now v5Hd6DEiDY4-00011-00006187-00007531 now please v5Hd6DEiDY4-00012-00007531-00007789 [Music] v5Hd6DEiDY4-00013-00007790-00007941 wait wait v5Hd6DEiDY4-00014-00007942-00008327 [Music] v5Hd6DEiDY4-00015-00008328-00008488 please v5Hd6DEiDY4-00016-00008489-00009676 [Music] 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v6CMAZBI584-00023-00010557-00010784 the final was held on the 4th of August v6CMAZBI584-00024-00010785-00011096 at 1713 vr0JX1hnhh8-00000-00000088-00000311 welcome everyone to get ready for the vr0JX1hnhh8-00001-00000312-00000591 storm remote event storming in action by vr0JX1hnhh8-00002-00000592-00000958 karen rai and giovani asproni and deepti vr0JX1hnhh8-00003-00000959-00001039 raj vr0JX1hnhh8-00004-00001040-00001270 without further delay over to you vr0JX1hnhh8-00005-00001271-00001462 welcome to the remote event storming vr0JX1hnhh8-00006-00001463-00001718 session i'm current um and giovanni and vr0JX1hnhh8-00007-00001719-00001967 sifti uh i have them with me as my vr0JX1hnhh8-00008-00001968-00002087 colleagues vr0JX1hnhh8-00009-00002088-00002447 so uh we're not going to uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00010-00002448-00002695 bother you with introductions or save vr0JX1hnhh8-00011-00002696-00002926 you that time uh you can read about us vr0JX1hnhh8-00012-00002927-00003150 from our profiles or on linkedin and on vr0JX1hnhh8-00013-00003151-00003447 on agile india's pages and we'll take vr0JX1hnhh8-00014-00003447-00003590 you straight to what you've come here vr0JX1hnhh8-00015-00003592-00003870 for uh which is to even strong vr0JX1hnhh8-00016-00003871-00004303 uh so our goal for the next uh one hour vr0JX1hnhh8-00017-00004304-00004567 is vr0JX1hnhh8-00018-00004568-00004799 to introduce you to event storming and vr0JX1hnhh8-00019-00004800-00004975 its core concepts vr0JX1hnhh8-00020-00004976-00005175 uh and help you get comfortable with the vr0JX1hnhh8-00021-00005176-00005367 process so that you can also apply it vr0JX1hnhh8-00022-00005368-00005599 with your teams and organizations it's vr0JX1hnhh8-00023-00005600-00005775 an emerging vr0JX1hnhh8-00024-00005776-00005951 methodology to vr0JX1hnhh8-00025-00005952-00006206 to discover domains and then it's a vr0JX1hnhh8-00026-00006207-00006454 great exercise to arrive at a common vr0JX1hnhh8-00027-00006455-00006567 point vr0JX1hnhh8-00028-00006568-00006767 of understanding between vr0JX1hnhh8-00029-00006768-00007039 different stakeholders vr0JX1hnhh8-00030-00007040-00007246 so we'll we'll take you through only the vr0JX1hnhh8-00031-00007247-00007567 core concepts um and then we'll practice vr0JX1hnhh8-00032-00007568-00007767 it together vr0JX1hnhh8-00033-00007768-00008006 yeah maybe one thing to add vr0JX1hnhh8-00034-00008008-00008239 yes just for a little thing that we vr0JX1hnhh8-00035-00008240-00008487 won't go in full depth in everything vr0JX1hnhh8-00036-00008488-00008703 that what you want to achieve here is to vr0JX1hnhh8-00037-00008704-00008855 give you enough knowledge so you can get vr0JX1hnhh8-00038-00008856-00009078 started then you know going more depth vr0JX1hnhh8-00039-00009079-00009639 by yourself yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00040-00009640-00009823 yeah so this is how we plan to achieve vr0JX1hnhh8-00041-00009824-00009935 it vr0JX1hnhh8-00042-00009936-00010103 we'll start by spending a little bit of vr0JX1hnhh8-00043-00010104-00010342 time on the history and core concepts vr0JX1hnhh8-00044-00010343-00010542 and application areas vr0JX1hnhh8-00045-00010543-00010719 there aren't many core concepts so it's vr0JX1hnhh8-00046-00010720-00010910 very easy to adopt and that's why this vr0JX1hnhh8-00047-00010911-00011142 approach is really easy vr0JX1hnhh8-00048-00011143-00011351 we will then introduce an interesting vr0JX1hnhh8-00049-00011352-00011551 business case and we'll practice event vr0JX1hnhh8-00050-00011552-00011742 storming together vr0JX1hnhh8-00051-00011743-00011935 the concepts that you that we will vr0JX1hnhh8-00052-00011936-00012127 explain the first 15 minutes should be vr0JX1hnhh8-00053-00012128-00012359 sufficient to help you get started and vr0JX1hnhh8-00054-00012360-00012551 as you work through the event storming vr0JX1hnhh8-00055-00012552-00012767 workshop we will also help and guide you vr0JX1hnhh8-00056-00012768-00012999 through the process and explain detailed vr0JX1hnhh8-00057-00013000-00013247 concepts as you come across them so vr0JX1hnhh8-00058-00013247-00013391 so that you can understand them in a vr0JX1hnhh8-00059-00013391-00013671 more contextual setting vr0JX1hnhh8-00060-00013672-00013919 finally after the event storming we will vr0JX1hnhh8-00061-00013919-00014030 regroup vr0JX1hnhh8-00062-00014031-00014215 to discuss our key learnings and reflect vr0JX1hnhh8-00063-00014216-00014438 on how we can build on what we've vr0JX1hnhh8-00064-00014440-00014655 learned uh we will also share links and vr0JX1hnhh8-00065-00014656-00014951 resources so that you can refer them vr0JX1hnhh8-00066-00014952-00015119 and continue to vr0JX1hnhh8-00067-00015119-00015263 do your research and understand the vr0JX1hnhh8-00068-00015263-00015463 topic better vr0JX1hnhh8-00069-00015463-00015655 so let's start with learning more about vr0JX1hnhh8-00070-00015656-00015838 event storming and i'll hand over to geo vr0JX1hnhh8-00071-00015840-00016215 to take you through the core concepts vr0JX1hnhh8-00072-00016216-00016463 okay so as you can see from the slides vr0JX1hnhh8-00073-00016464-00016694 is a workshop vr0JX1hnhh8-00074-00016695-00016830 style technique vr0JX1hnhh8-00075-00016831-00017063 to bring stakeholders together to vr0JX1hnhh8-00076-00017064-00017247 explore complex business domains which vr0JX1hnhh8-00077-00017248-00017375 means vr0JX1hnhh8-00078-00017376-00017575 in practice bringing people together vr0JX1hnhh8-00079-00017576-00017767 that maybe know a system or need to vr0JX1hnhh8-00080-00017768-00017991 create a system so they can talk vr0JX1hnhh8-00081-00017992-00018103 and vr0JX1hnhh8-00082-00018104-00018343 somehow share their knowledge and vr0JX1hnhh8-00083-00018344-00018599 realize a common view of what the system vr0JX1hnhh8-00084-00018600-00018839 is or the domain is yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00085-00018840-00019030 was invented by alberto brandolini in vr0JX1hnhh8-00086-00019031-00019247 2012 vr0JX1hnhh8-00087-00019248-00019447 and and a very important aim for the vr0JX1hnhh8-00088-00019448-00019558 technique is actually for these vr0JX1hnhh8-00089-00019559-00019799 stakeholders to reach some form of vr0JX1hnhh8-00090-00019800-00020079 common understanding yeah we'll we'll vr0JX1hnhh8-00091-00020080-00020391 give you examples of this as we as we vr0JX1hnhh8-00092-00020392-00020511 proceed vr0JX1hnhh8-00093-00020512-00020743 one you know this is how an in person vr0JX1hnhh8-00094-00020744-00021007 would look this is a very small one so vr0JX1hnhh8-00095-00021008-00021135 you don't see any people imagining vr0JX1hnhh8-00096-00021136-00021358 people here talking and debating and vr0JX1hnhh8-00097-00021359-00021558 attaching notes there vr0JX1hnhh8-00098-00021559-00021727 and what you vr0JX1hnhh8-00099-00021728-00021911 don't see in the board but is important vr0JX1hnhh8-00100-00021912-00022103 for the event storm there is a vr0JX1hnhh8-00101-00022104-00022303 timeline on the landing so from left to vr0JX1hnhh8-00102-00022304-00022511 right is how things happen vr0JX1hnhh8-00103-00022512-00022830 in a in a timeline yeah so events vr0JX1hnhh8-00104-00022831-00023030 in fact is things that happen to the vr0JX1hnhh8-00105-00023031-00023303 system or things that the system does vr0JX1hnhh8-00106-00023304-00023583 yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00107-00023584-00023814 there are many application areas so some vr0JX1hnhh8-00108-00023815-00024014 uh understanding business processes vr0JX1hnhh8-00109-00024015-00024191 always say in a big company vr0JX1hnhh8-00110-00024192-00024407 things get done there are maybe silos vr0JX1hnhh8-00111-00024408-00024494 doing vr0JX1hnhh8-00112-00024495-00024822 bits parts of of the process and nobody vr0JX1hnhh8-00113-00024823-00025071 knows that the process in its entirety vr0JX1hnhh8-00114-00025072-00025255 and they want to change it to make it vr0JX1hnhh8-00115-00025256-00025447 more streamlined in those streamlined in vr0JX1hnhh8-00116-00025448-00025614 those situations stakeholders from the vr0JX1hnhh8-00117-00025616-00025711 different vr0JX1hnhh8-00118-00025712-00025983 silos can go to a room or a virtual one vr0JX1hnhh8-00119-00025983-00026246 if it is remote and start using when vr0JX1hnhh8-00120-00026247-00026423 storming to vr0JX1hnhh8-00121-00026424-00026695 put what they know about the system vr0JX1hnhh8-00122-00026695-00026935 so and discuss that and sometimes debate vr0JX1hnhh8-00123-00026936-00027055 or reach vr0JX1hnhh8-00124-00027056-00027231 or find these agreements vr0JX1hnhh8-00125-00027232-00027407 and then reach to a point where vr0JX1hnhh8-00126-00027408-00027607 everybody has actually the same view of vr0JX1hnhh8-00127-00027608-00027807 what is actually happening yeah so vr0JX1hnhh8-00128-00027808-00027974 because from that point on vr0JX1hnhh8-00129-00027975-00028199 you can you know how to streamline the vr0JX1hnhh8-00130-00028200-00028374 system for example you can decide what vr0JX1hnhh8-00131-00028375-00028655 actions to take to make it better yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00132-00028656-00028855 but it's also discovery for new systems vr0JX1hnhh8-00133-00028856-00029046 and applications so you know this is vr0JX1hnhh8-00134-00029047-00029190 something we do vr0JX1hnhh8-00135-00029191-00029390 at launch ventures with for example vr0JX1hnhh8-00136-00029391-00029631 startups people with a great idea but vr0JX1hnhh8-00137-00029632-00029943 they don't are quite unsure about you vr0JX1hnhh8-00138-00029944-00030102 know how to proceed so they have the vr0JX1hnhh8-00139-00030103-00030311 general abstract idea but it's like vr0JX1hnhh8-00140-00030312-00030583 there is a need of more detail to do vr0JX1hnhh8-00141-00030583-00030695 things vr0JX1hnhh8-00142-00030695-00030918 and so the event storming is a great way vr0JX1hnhh8-00143-00030919-00031143 of exploring more details and and i get vr0JX1hnhh8-00144-00031144-00031423 a better understanding on what to do vr0JX1hnhh8-00145-00031424-00031607 and also model complex systems and vr0JX1hnhh8-00146-00031608-00031814 interactions as well any kind of system vr0JX1hnhh8-00147-00031816-00031911 uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00148-00031912-00032087 one thing that needs to be vr0JX1hnhh8-00149-00032088-00032270 said is also vr0JX1hnhh8-00150-00032272-00032518 it comes from the domain driven design vr0JX1hnhh8-00151-00032519-00032679 community alberto is part of that vr0JX1hnhh8-00152-00032680-00032871 community and so somehow some of the vr0JX1hnhh8-00153-00032872-00033071 well many of the concepts are basically vr0JX1hnhh8-00154-00033072-00033318 mapping into sticky notes of domain vr0JX1hnhh8-00155-00033319-00033518 driven design ideas vr0JX1hnhh8-00156-00033519-00033759 yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00157-00033760-00033983 the core concept vr0JX1hnhh8-00158-00033984-00034367 is the concept of event yeah an event is vr0JX1hnhh8-00159-00034368-00034527 an event that is relevant for the domain 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then what happens vr0JX1hnhh8-00175-00037303-00037479 next is that vr0JX1hnhh8-00176-00037480-00037807 let's see start with a tiny example vr0JX1hnhh8-00177-00037808-00037935 so let's say vr0JX1hnhh8-00178-00037936-00038199 some invoicing system that does some vr0JX1hnhh8-00179-00038200-00038423 invoicing at the end of each month vr0JX1hnhh8-00180-00038424-00038527 so vr0JX1hnhh8-00181-00038528-00038727 in some way the end of the month process vr0JX1hnhh8-00182-00038728-00038951 has been started there is a billable vr0JX1hnhh8-00183-00038952-00039135 amount calculated vr0JX1hnhh8-00184-00039136-00039383 and then is verified and after that the vr0JX1hnhh8-00185-00039384-00039583 most is prepared something like this but vr0JX1hnhh8-00186-00039584-00039830 then also you notice the orange nodes vr0JX1hnhh8-00187-00039831-00039967 are the events vr0JX1hnhh8-00188-00039968-00040135 there are these red ones that are called vr0JX1hnhh8-00189-00040136-00040374 hotspots i mean 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vr0JX1hnhh8-00204-00043008-00043255 there could be further exploration vr0JX1hnhh8-00205-00043256-00043487 of the system to to improve the vr0JX1hnhh8-00206-00043488-00043767 situation yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00207-00043768-00043902 of course you can start like this but vr0JX1hnhh8-00208-00043903-00043999 then vr0JX1hnhh8-00209-00044000-00044183 you can go and add more and more details vr0JX1hnhh8-00210-00044184-00044399 so don't be scared by by what you see vr0JX1hnhh8-00211-00044400-00044615 here okay this is exactly what it was vr0JX1hnhh8-00212-00044616-00044846 before but with more details so say vr0JX1hnhh8-00213-00044847-00045055 this yellow note is actually a person vr0JX1hnhh8-00214-00045056-00045151 that vr0JX1hnhh8-00215-00045152-00045327 told that does something the system vr0JX1hnhh8-00216-00045328-00045495 pushes the button and starts the audio vr0JX1hnhh8-00217-00045496-00045695 process so basically says goes to the vr0JX1hnhh8-00218-00045696-00045839 end of uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00219-00045840-00046111 sorry eod eom actually put end of month vr0JX1hnhh8-00220-00046112-00046255 process so vr0JX1hnhh8-00221-00046256-00046423 maybe pushes a button and the end of vr0JX1hnhh8-00222-00046424-00046607 month process starts vr0JX1hnhh8-00223-00046608-00046830 this one depending on vr0JX1hnhh8-00224-00046831-00047158 has a policy on to decide which invoices vr0JX1hnhh8-00225-00047159-00047390 which bills to do the process so the vr0JX1hnhh8-00226-00047391-00047583 policy something says vr0JX1hnhh8-00227-00047584-00047855 when this happens do that or is is then vr0JX1hnhh8-00228-00047856-00048118 if then basically yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00229-00048119-00048318 it's to give more refinement so in this vr0JX1hnhh8-00230-00048319-00048535 way you can have more depth into the vr0JX1hnhh8-00231-00048536-00048743 exploration of the process and then of vr0JX1hnhh8-00232-00048744-00048879 course there is another system that is vr0JX1hnhh8-00233-00048880-00049030 the billing system that what it does vr0JX1hnhh8-00234-00049031-00049279 calculates that and then the green node vr0JX1hnhh8-00235-00049280-00049551 is data that is the result of the vr0JX1hnhh8-00236-00049552-00049743 calculation that is given to input to vr0JX1hnhh8-00237-00049744-00049862 the other vr0JX1hnhh8-00238-00049863-00050055 process that is verifying the billable vr0JX1hnhh8-00239-00050056-00050239 amount yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00240-00050240-00050462 so you see is the same thing exactly as vr0JX1hnhh8-00241-00050463-00050630 before but with a bit more detail the vr0JX1hnhh8-00242-00050631-00050846 emphasis here is you don't need when you vr0JX1hnhh8-00243-00050847-00051062 do event stormy to try to do precisely vr0JX1hnhh8-00244-00051063-00051183 each step vr0JX1hnhh8-00245-00051184-00051382 very defined and go on you can go in vr0JX1hnhh8-00246-00051383-00051638 broad stroke say okay this is more or vr0JX1hnhh8-00247-00051639-00051911 less very high level what it does now 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could be you know vr0JX1hnhh8-00262-00055383-00055559 something running aws could be a vr0JX1hnhh8-00263-00055560-00055823 conveyor belt bringing goods from place vr0JX1hnhh8-00264-00055824-00055959 a to place b vr0JX1hnhh8-00265-00055960-00056103 a policy as i said before you know vr0JX1hnhh8-00266-00056104-00056382 whenever x happens we do y vr0JX1hnhh8-00267-00056383-00056679 yeah so it's basically a conditional vr0JX1hnhh8-00268-00056679-00057007 command decision action intent so vr0JX1hnhh8-00269-00057008-00057223 you saw this before the person starts vr0JX1hnhh8-00270-00057224-00057494 the end of month process issues a vr0JX1hnhh8-00271-00057495-00057671 command to the system that starts the vr0JX1hnhh8-00272-00057672-00057879 process yeah the read model is about vr0JX1hnhh8-00273-00057879-00058023 data so vr0JX1hnhh8-00274-00058024-00058247 events may actually create data that can vr0JX1hnhh8-00275-00058248-00058559 be read by other events to perform the 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vr0JX1hnhh8-00290-00061448-00061750 yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00291-00061751-00062006 uh the concepts are linked in this way vr0JX1hnhh8-00292-00062007-00062238 so a kind of an actor invokes a command vr0JX1hnhh8-00293-00062239-00062494 for example that is invoked on a system vr0JX1hnhh8-00294-00062495-00062694 a policy can involve a command basically vr0JX1hnhh8-00295-00062695-00062991 you know when this happens do this now vr0JX1hnhh8-00296-00062991-00063206 this is as a reference this this vr0JX1hnhh8-00297-00063207-00063391 reference will be useful maybe also vr0JX1hnhh8-00298-00063391-00063599 during the workshop yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00299-00063600-00063694 so vr0JX1hnhh8-00300-00063695-00063911 later on when we start the workshop we vr0JX1hnhh8-00301-00063912-00064063 can answer your question about this and vr0JX1hnhh8-00302-00064064-00064335 help you out if there are any problems vr0JX1hnhh8-00303-00064336-00064438 yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00304-00064439-00064623 but it's basically an idea on how things vr0JX1hnhh8-00305-00064624-00064942 connect together vr0JX1hnhh8-00306-00064944-00065166 uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00307-00065167-00065247 the vr0JX1hnhh8-00308-00065248-00065454 remote heaven storm now this is what vr0JX1hnhh8-00309-00065455-00065623 remote event storm looks like this is vr0JX1hnhh8-00310-00065624-00065759 from a real one vr0JX1hnhh8-00311-00065760-00066094 we've done launch ventures is like the vr0JX1hnhh8-00312-00066095-00066359 impersonal one but instead of having a vr0JX1hnhh8-00313-00066360-00066559 whiteboard away we use mirrorboards vr0JX1hnhh8-00314-00066560-00066694 could be any other vr0JX1hnhh8-00315-00066695-00066911 electronic board you have vr0JX1hnhh8-00316-00066912-00067159 is pretty much the same now vr0JX1hnhh8-00317-00067160-00067319 and the only thing that you added here vr0JX1hnhh8-00318-00067320-00067559 that you will would use also on the in vr0JX1hnhh8-00319-00067560-00067750 personalized ubiquitous language is an 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organization from india to the us or to vr0JX1hnhh8-00408-00085319-00085455 europe or somewhere else can be vr0JX1hnhh8-00409-00085456-00085711 expensive and also problematic to vr0JX1hnhh8-00410-00085712-00085887 organize you know organizing the rooms vr0JX1hnhh8-00411-00085888-00086079 hotels everything vr0JX1hnhh8-00412-00086080-00086359 and so this for us was vr0JX1hnhh8-00413-00086360-00086567 one of the big reasons why we use the vr0JX1hnhh8-00414-00086568-00086750 technique and we think that still with vr0JX1hnhh8-00415-00086751-00086918 the even with the vr0JX1hnhh8-00416-00086919-00087191 disadvantages we talked about vr0JX1hnhh8-00417-00087192-00087335 is still vr0JX1hnhh8-00418-00087336-00087655 an an extremely useful technique to vr0JX1hnhh8-00419-00087656-00087782 to use vr0JX1hnhh8-00420-00087783-00087918 yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00421-00087919-00088071 and vr0JX1hnhh8-00422-00088072-00088511 yeah i'm done with this and maybe karen vr0JX1hnhh8-00423-00088512-00088743 that is the workshop vr0JX1hnhh8-00424-00088744-00088926 yeah thanks you vr0JX1hnhh8-00425-00088927-00089223 well i hope that uh provided a quick vr0JX1hnhh8-00426-00089224-00089494 overview uh of event storm of course you vr0JX1hnhh8-00427-00089495-00089735 know jio covered quite a few things in vr0JX1hnhh8-00428-00089736-00089943 the interest of time you know trying to vr0JX1hnhh8-00429-00089944-00090182 uh capture at least the core concepts as vr0JX1hnhh8-00430-00090183-00090415 quickly as we could but uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00431-00090416-00090631 don't don't feel intimidated if it's too vr0JX1hnhh8-00432-00090632-00090911 much uh all we need to really vr0JX1hnhh8-00433-00090912-00091159 know to get started is the event vr0JX1hnhh8-00434-00091160-00091359 because that's the common interface for vr0JX1hnhh8-00435-00091360-00091567 all stakeholders everybody understands vr0JX1hnhh8-00436-00091568-00091735 events vr0JX1hnhh8-00437-00091736-00091823 so vr0JX1hnhh8-00438-00091824-00092087 for this workshop we thought about vr0JX1hnhh8-00439-00092088-00092182 picking vr0JX1hnhh8-00440-00092183-00092511 a use case a business case vr0JX1hnhh8-00441-00092512-00092647 which everybody vr0JX1hnhh8-00442-00092648-00092823 hopefully is familiar with uh and vr0JX1hnhh8-00443-00092824-00092982 someone everywhere everybody has been vr0JX1hnhh8-00444-00092983-00093311 missing quite a bit being able to travel vr0JX1hnhh8-00445-00093312-00093591 so we thought how about uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00446-00093592-00093791 coming up with a business idea so let's vr0JX1hnhh8-00447-00093792-00094006 assume all of us are entrepreneurs and vr0JX1hnhh8-00448-00094007-00094103 we are vr0JX1hnhh8-00449-00094104-00094350 or we are part of an executive team uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00450-00094351-00094447 which is vr0JX1hnhh8-00451-00094448-00094711 coming up with this new business concept vr0JX1hnhh8-00452-00094712-00094991 of a holiday planning service vr0JX1hnhh8-00453-00094992-00095262 so it's a travel agency which provides vr0JX1hnhh8-00454-00095263-00095494 end-to-end travel management uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00455-00095495-00095687 everything from helping people plan vr0JX1hnhh8-00456-00095688-00095862 their itineraries to managing their vr0JX1hnhh8-00457-00095863-00096006 bookings vr0JX1hnhh8-00458-00096007-00096215 uh there are various aspects in this vr0JX1hnhh8-00459-00096216-00096438 business now as you can imagine uh that vr0JX1hnhh8-00460-00096439-00096671 would happen so we would help vr0JX1hnhh8-00461-00096672-00096879 we would understand vr0JX1hnhh8-00462-00096880-00097071 our customers requirements their vr0JX1hnhh8-00463-00097072-00097311 preferences their travel dates we'll vr0JX1hnhh8-00464-00097312-00097543 select destinations for them matching vr0JX1hnhh8-00465-00097544-00097687 their preferences vr0JX1hnhh8-00466-00097688-00097887 we'll match their budgets we could vr0JX1hnhh8-00467-00097888-00098118 prepare device itineraries vr0JX1hnhh8-00468-00098119-00098271 and finally we help them book their vr0JX1hnhh8-00469-00098272-00098494 travel stays transfers vr0JX1hnhh8-00470-00098495-00098694 so the scope is basically endless it's vr0JX1hnhh8-00471-00098695-00098894 up to us how much we want to provide in vr0JX1hnhh8-00472-00098895-00099174 this service vr0JX1hnhh8-00473-00099175-00099455 the goal of this exercise is to vr0JX1hnhh8-00474-00099456-00099638 explore these business processes as a vr0JX1hnhh8-00475-00099639-00099926 whole and identify opportunities risks vr0JX1hnhh8-00476-00099927-00100055 and ideas vr0JX1hnhh8-00477-00100056-00100191 that will help us provide a great vr0JX1hnhh8-00478-00100192-00100511 service so think of it as i said as your vr0JX1hnhh8-00479-00100512-00100606 business vr0JX1hnhh8-00480-00100607-00100767 that you plan to vr0JX1hnhh8-00481-00100768-00100926 start and vr0JX1hnhh8-00482-00100927-00101071 what are the different processes that vr0JX1hnhh8-00483-00101072-00101255 you will have to model if you had to vr0JX1hnhh8-00484-00101256-00101399 provide vr0JX1hnhh8-00485-00101400-00101623 a service like this vr0JX1hnhh8-00486-00101624-00101799 yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00487-00101800-00101918 yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00488-00101919-00102159 sure maybe please join the board now so vr0JX1hnhh8-00489-00102160-00102374 i'll stop sharing now i'll tell you what vr0JX1hnhh8-00490-00102375-00102527 will happen vr0JX1hnhh8-00491-00102528-00102630 next vr0JX1hnhh8-00492-00102631-00102847 so we'll split in a vr0JX1hnhh8-00493-00102848-00102975 few rooms vr0JX1hnhh8-00494-00102976-00103175 how many of us are here i need to create vr0JX1hnhh8-00495-00103176-00103302 the rooms vr0JX1hnhh8-00496-00103303-00103566 so is vr0JX1hnhh8-00497-00103567-00103894 i can see so 17 participants including vr0JX1hnhh8-00498-00103895-00104215 us so it's like uh 14 vr0JX1hnhh8-00499-00104216-00104454 sorry including the vr0JX1hnhh8-00500-00104455-00104863 the co-host we are 17 which means vr0JX1hnhh8-00501-00104864-00105190 is 12 people yeah 12 vr0JX1hnhh8-00502-00105191-00105423 i also would like to join one of the vr0JX1hnhh8-00503-00105424-00105534 rooms vr0JX1hnhh8-00504-00105535-00105758 yeah okay so i was saying vr0JX1hnhh8-00505-00105759-00106047 well maybe we can just go in two rooms vr0JX1hnhh8-00506-00106048-00106239 yeah yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00507-00106240-00106551 yeah so i'll create two rooms now let me vr0JX1hnhh8-00508-00106552-00106727 also vr0JX1hnhh8-00509-00106728-00107007 do something else yeah so vr0JX1hnhh8-00510-00107008-00107239 if you you can start exploring the board vr0JX1hnhh8-00511-00107240-00107607 please join there vr0JX1hnhh8-00512-00107608-00107766 while you create the rooms you i can vr0JX1hnhh8-00513-00107767-00107902 just give a quick vr0JX1hnhh8-00514-00107903-00108071 yes vr0JX1hnhh8-00515-00108072-00108175 a quick vr0JX1hnhh8-00516-00108176-00108271 uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00517-00108272-00108534 reference tutorial of how to use mirror vr0JX1hnhh8-00518-00108535-00108654 effectively vr0JX1hnhh8-00519-00108655-00108790 okay vr0JX1hnhh8-00520-00108791-00108966 so vr0JX1hnhh8-00521-00108967-00109151 i'll create the rooms another frame for vr0JX1hnhh8-00522-00109152-00109390 the second team yeah yeah you can do vr0JX1hnhh8-00523-00109391-00109615 that i'll just share my screen and vr0JX1hnhh8-00524-00109616-00109886 take everyone through a few vr0JX1hnhh8-00525-00109888-00110399 notes here vr0JX1hnhh8-00526-00110400-00110727 okay so this is how vr0JX1hnhh8-00527-00110728-00110847 miro vr0JX1hnhh8-00528-00110848-00111071 looks like i hope everyone's vr0JX1hnhh8-00529-00111072-00111295 i'm logged in using the media app but vr0JX1hnhh8-00530-00111296-00111399 you could vr0JX1hnhh8-00531-00111400-00111615 be logged in using the browser vr0JX1hnhh8-00532-00111616-00111854 you should be able to see the same view vr0JX1hnhh8-00533-00111855-00112015 and you can see that you have our slides vr0JX1hnhh8-00534-00112016-00112110 here vr0JX1hnhh8-00535-00112111-00112295 so there is a vr0JX1hnhh8-00536-00112296-00112583 quick guide here so generally for event vr0JX1hnhh8-00537-00112583-00112766 storming it's helpful if you have an vr0JX1hnhh8-00538-00112767-00112999 external keyboard mouse and monitor vr0JX1hnhh8-00539-00113000-00113151 uh but if you don't that's okay you can vr0JX1hnhh8-00540-00113152-00113343 still work through vr0JX1hnhh8-00541-00113344-00113599 these are just a few shortcuts for you vr0JX1hnhh8-00542-00113600-00113639 to vr0JX1hnhh8-00543-00113640-00113751 [Music] vr0JX1hnhh8-00544-00113752-00113943 work through so that makes your mixture vr0JX1hnhh8-00545-00113944-00114095 work easier and you can focus more on vr0JX1hnhh8-00546-00114096-00114366 the events rather than the two vr0JX1hnhh8-00547-00114367-00114566 so adding a sticky note that's really vr0JX1hnhh8-00548-00114567-00114719 what you need to do vr0JX1hnhh8-00549-00114720-00114927 so adding a sticky note is super easy so vr0JX1hnhh8-00550-00114928-00115127 you can just press the letter n vr0JX1hnhh8-00551-00115128-00115319 and it pops up this menu and you just vr0JX1hnhh8-00552-00115320-00115510 press vr0JX1hnhh8-00553-00115511-00115686 the click on wherever you want to add vr0JX1hnhh8-00554-00115688-00116095 that note and start typing vr0JX1hnhh8-00555-00116096-00116295 now if you want to copy over this event vr0JX1hnhh8-00556-00116296-00116471 that's generally a lot easier than vr0JX1hnhh8-00557-00116472-00116615 creating a new vr0JX1hnhh8-00558-00116616-00116790 sticky note every time so all you need vr0JX1hnhh8-00559-00116791-00117031 to do is command or control d vr0JX1hnhh8-00560-00117032-00117175 and it just vr0JX1hnhh8-00561-00117176-00117366 puts another sticky note right next to vr0JX1hnhh8-00562-00117367-00117447 it vr0JX1hnhh8-00563-00117448-00117727 in a sort of sequence which makes it vr0JX1hnhh8-00564-00117728-00117839 easy vr0JX1hnhh8-00565-00117840-00118151 to also progress with events vr0JX1hnhh8-00566-00118152-00118510 and you just start typing vr0JX1hnhh8-00567-00118511-00118702 and that's how you can just continue to vr0JX1hnhh8-00568-00118703-00118910 i'm all i'm doing is doing command d vr0JX1hnhh8-00569-00118911-00119071 because i have a mac or you could do vr0JX1hnhh8-00570-00119072-00119390 control d if you have windows vr0JX1hnhh8-00571-00119391-00119615 and you can continue to add events vr0JX1hnhh8-00572-00119616-00119951 to change color just select one vr0JX1hnhh8-00573-00119952-00120214 sticky note change the color and then vr0JX1hnhh8-00574-00120215-00120502 if you again do ctrl d it just continues vr0JX1hnhh8-00575-00120503-00120966 to put sticky notes in that same color vr0JX1hnhh8-00576-00120967-00121183 so that's a simple that's all you really vr0JX1hnhh8-00577-00121183-00121423 need to know um if you want to scroll vr0JX1hnhh8-00578-00121424-00121607 through you'll probably figure out vr0JX1hnhh8-00579-00121608-00121783 yourself but vr0JX1hnhh8-00580-00121783-00121983 if you need to refer this so you can vr0JX1hnhh8-00581-00121983-00122190 just scroll with your mouse vr0JX1hnhh8-00582-00122191-00122414 across the board if you press your left vr0JX1hnhh8-00583-00122415-00122733 click and scroll it will help you vr0JX1hnhh8-00584-00122734-00122871 [Music] vr0JX1hnhh8-00585-00122872-00123399 zoom in vr0JX1hnhh8-00586-00123400-00123607 and yeah that's uh that's really it vr0JX1hnhh8-00587-00123608-00123807 that's on the vr0JX1hnhh8-00588-00123808-00123983 shortcut so we have a practice area if vr0JX1hnhh8-00589-00123983-00124319 you want to just try vr0JX1hnhh8-00590-00124320-00124471 placing a few vr0JX1hnhh8-00591-00124472-00124663 events so we have a practice area where vr0JX1hnhh8-00592-00124664-00124895 you can spend the next vr0JX1hnhh8-00593-00124896-00125110 two to three minutes trying to place vr0JX1hnhh8-00594-00125111-00125471 sticky notes and i can actually uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00595-00125472-00125647 help you vr0JX1hnhh8-00596-00125648-00125751 um vr0JX1hnhh8-00597-00125752-00125910 i mean i can guide you whether you know vr0JX1hnhh8-00598-00125911-00126102 it's it's whether you need any help or vr0JX1hnhh8-00599-00126103-00126271 you're taking any challenges so in this vr0JX1hnhh8-00600-00126272-00126486 practice area you can zoom in and i'll vr0JX1hnhh8-00601-00126488-00126783 just add my first node vr0JX1hnhh8-00602-00126783-00126816 and vr0JX1hnhh8-00603-00126817-00127031 [Music] vr0JX1hnhh8-00604-00127032-00127366 create an event let's say vr0JX1hnhh8-00605-00127367-00127483 an event vr0JX1hnhh8-00606-00127483-00127678 so vr0JX1hnhh8-00607-00127679-00127895 event storm vr0JX1hnhh8-00608-00127896-00128086 started vr0JX1hnhh8-00609-00128088-00128383 just to remind you um try to keep your vr0JX1hnhh8-00610-00128383-00128566 events in the past tense vr0JX1hnhh8-00611-00128567-00128814 there's a reason for that vr0JX1hnhh8-00612-00128815-00129014 stating your events in the past tense vr0JX1hnhh8-00613-00129015-00129343 makes it more factual more deterministic vr0JX1hnhh8-00614-00129344-00129543 and there is less ambiguity around it so vr0JX1hnhh8-00615-00129544-00129710 it also helps you think about events in vr0JX1hnhh8-00616-00129711-00129871 a way that uh they are more vr0JX1hnhh8-00617-00129872-00130254 deterministic so vr0JX1hnhh8-00618-00130255-00130527 yeah just go ahead and fire away so vr0JX1hnhh8-00619-00130528-00130758 start adding a few events here once you vr0JX1hnhh8-00620-00130759-00130966 feel comfortable vr0JX1hnhh8-00621-00130967-00131159 and once you have set up vr0JX1hnhh8-00622-00131160-00131559 georgia set up the rooms we can vr0JX1hnhh8-00623-00131560-00131687 start vr0JX1hnhh8-00624-00131688-00131911 i would say whoever ends up in room one vr0JX1hnhh8-00625-00131912-00132190 goes to frame one and room two frame two vr0JX1hnhh8-00626-00132191-00132439 can ask also if something is vr0JX1hnhh8-00627-00132440-00132583 in the in the event storming is vr0JX1hnhh8-00628-00132584-00132759 important to see each other so if you vr0JX1hnhh8-00629-00132760-00133007 can switch the cameras on that will be vr0JX1hnhh8-00630-00133008-00133247 really useful for the exercise vr0JX1hnhh8-00631-00133248-00133590 this is one of the things as well vr0JX1hnhh8-00632-00133591-00133847 okay vr0JX1hnhh8-00633-00133848-00134014 let me vr0JX1hnhh8-00634-00134015-00134287 if we got one participant that just vr0JX1hnhh8-00635-00134288-00134463 joined vr0JX1hnhh8-00636-00134464-00134695 anyway i'll create the rooms now so i'll vr0JX1hnhh8-00637-00134696-00134895 open i'm opening the rooms there will be vr0JX1hnhh8-00638-00134896-00135119 dpt in one and vr0JX1hnhh8-00639-00135120-00135390 current in the other vr0JX1hnhh8-00640-00135391-00135607 i'm i see the number of participants vr0JX1hnhh8-00641-00135608-00135911 seems to be increasing so let me do vr0JX1hnhh8-00642-00135912-00136087 something else maybe karen share again vr0JX1hnhh8-00643-00136088-00136302 the the link to miro vr0JX1hnhh8-00644-00136303-00136471 in the chat because the new joiners vr0JX1hnhh8-00645-00136472-00136863 won't have seen that vr0JX1hnhh8-00646-00136864-00137039 i recreate vr0JX1hnhh8-00647-00137040-00137287 the rooms again so to include the new vr0JX1hnhh8-00648-00137288-00137566 participants vr0JX1hnhh8-00649-00137567-00137951 let's see vr0JX1hnhh8-00650-00137952-00138271 yeah so i said who ends up in room one vr0JX1hnhh8-00651-00138272-00138351 uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00652-00138352-00138623 frame one in middle room two frame two vr0JX1hnhh8-00653-00138624-00138871 and please switch the cameras on i'm vr0JX1hnhh8-00654-00138872-00139054 opening the rooms now vr0JX1hnhh8-00655-00139055-00139487 okay vr0JX1hnhh8-00656-00139488-00139583 okay vr0JX1hnhh8-00657-00139584-00139663 so vr0JX1hnhh8-00658-00139664-00139878 reflections i think if you look at the vr0JX1hnhh8-00659-00139879-00140031 board now let me vr0JX1hnhh8-00660-00140032-00140239 let me share also my screen but you look vr0JX1hnhh8-00661-00140240-00140431 at the board because you'll have to use vr0JX1hnhh8-00662-00140432-00140678 it to let me share the screen so i can vr0JX1hnhh8-00663-00140679-00140902 explain more easily vr0JX1hnhh8-00664-00140903-00140990 uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00665-00140991-00141183 so vr0JX1hnhh8-00666-00141184-00141254 uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00667-00141255-00141583 now can you see i my my my sorry my vr0JX1hnhh8-00668-00141584-00141711 screen vr0JX1hnhh8-00669-00141712-00141847 now vr0JX1hnhh8-00670-00141848-00142039 this particular space vr0JX1hnhh8-00671-00142040-00142271 yeah with the reflections area so to vr0JX1hnhh8-00672-00142272-00142495 give you where it is it's just under the vr0JX1hnhh8-00673-00142496-00142614 slides vr0JX1hnhh8-00674-00142615-00142831 so if you are on your vr0JX1hnhh8-00675-00142832-00142943 frame vr0JX1hnhh8-00676-00142944-00143383 on your even storm go up and left vr0JX1hnhh8-00677-00143384-00143647 this is a bit of orientation vr0JX1hnhh8-00678-00143648-00143887 and so maybe let's spend uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00679-00143888-00144087 on this a couple of minutes adding vr0JX1hnhh8-00680-00144088-00144319 stickers on what you like compare how vr0JX1hnhh8-00681-00144320-00144519 you work you know even storming what you vr0JX1hnhh8-00682-00144520-00144687 like and what you don't vr0JX1hnhh8-00683-00144688-00144854 compare to what vr0JX1hnhh8-00684-00144855-00145175 you do now vr0JX1hnhh8-00685-00145176-00145271 yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00686-00145272-00145383 and vr0JX1hnhh8-00687-00145384-00145559 maybe even comments vr0JX1hnhh8-00688-00145560-00145951 if you like okay so and then we can talk vr0JX1hnhh8-00689-00145952-00146039 a bit vr0JX1hnhh8-00690-00146040-00146214 uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00691-00146215-00146399 about the workshop experience and what vr0JX1hnhh8-00692-00146400-00146726 you think about the the technique vr0JX1hnhh8-00693-00146727-00146990 so i think let me see if i can set a vr0JX1hnhh8-00694-00146991-00147390 timer to give everybody vr0JX1hnhh8-00695-00147391-00147502 is there vr0JX1hnhh8-00696-00147503-00147702 a timer in this vr0JX1hnhh8-00697-00147703-00147799 you know vr0JX1hnhh8-00698-00147800-00147983 maybe karen maybe you need to set the vr0JX1hnhh8-00699-00147984-00148199 timer i think you are the vr0JX1hnhh8-00700-00148200-00148383 the owner of the board you must have vr0JX1hnhh8-00701-00148384-00148654 more more permissions vr0JX1hnhh8-00702-00148655-00148878 if you set a two minutes timer so people vr0JX1hnhh8-00703-00148879-00149143 can add their own reflections vr0JX1hnhh8-00704-00149144-00149319 yeah no worries i'm tracking it so i vr0JX1hnhh8-00705-00149320-00149511 just remind everyone vr0JX1hnhh8-00706-00149512-00149623 okay vr0JX1hnhh8-00707-00149624-00150095 so what do you like what you dislike vr0JX1hnhh8-00708-00150096-00150271 if you want to break the rules and put vr0JX1hnhh8-00709-00150272-00150495 also some general comments or opinions i vr0JX1hnhh8-00710-00150496-00150678 will allow you to do that vr0JX1hnhh8-00711-00150679-00150959 i'm italian the laws are there as a vr0JX1hnhh8-00712-00150960-00151199 general suggestion not to to be vr0JX1hnhh8-00713-00151200-00151935 respected vr0JX1hnhh8-00714-00151936-00153551 italians must be really agile vr0JX1hnhh8-00715-00153552-00153807 also feel free to copy some of those vr0JX1hnhh8-00716-00153808-00154047 notes you know and paste as well don't vr0JX1hnhh8-00717-00154048-00154247 so don't don't look at those blue and vr0JX1hnhh8-00718-00154248-00154326 red vr0JX1hnhh8-00719-00154327-00154519 sticky notes as the only places where to vr0JX1hnhh8-00720-00154520-00154766 write you can copy and add more yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00721-00154767-00155847 don't feel limited like that vr0JX1hnhh8-00722-00155848-00156071 so journey and current i mean where can vr0JX1hnhh8-00723-00156072-00156271 i find more uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00724-00156272-00156423 uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00725-00156424-00156519 you know vr0JX1hnhh8-00726-00156520-00156807 things to read more on this vr0JX1hnhh8-00727-00156808-00157014 on my screen there is a slide with the vr0JX1hnhh8-00728-00157015-00157166 references there vr0JX1hnhh8-00729-00157167-00157239 yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00730-00157240-00157471 some references so one thing that we'll vr0JX1hnhh8-00731-00157472-00157814 do is we'll export the entire workshop vr0JX1hnhh8-00732-00157815-00158023 board and make it available to you all vr0JX1hnhh8-00733-00158024-00158102 yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00734-00158103-00158343 great okay so vr0JX1hnhh8-00735-00158344-00158495 hopefully we'll uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00736-00158496-00158623 will be useful vr0JX1hnhh8-00737-00158624-00158823 yeah and this this will also contain vr0JX1hnhh8-00738-00158824-00159007 something related to how to run the vr0JX1hnhh8-00739-00159008-00159190 workshop vr0JX1hnhh8-00740-00159191-00159375 uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00741-00159376-00159687 i don't think we could have begun vr0JX1hnhh8-00742-00159688-00160014 yeah if you see the slide just before vr0JX1hnhh8-00743-00160015-00160183 this in references vr0JX1hnhh8-00744-00160184-00160366 this is one below references there is a vr0JX1hnhh8-00745-00160367-00160551 reference plan vr0JX1hnhh8-00746-00160552-00160687 so vr0JX1hnhh8-00747-00160688-00160871 um vr0JX1hnhh8-00748-00160872-00161111 this is a general guide that we we've vr0JX1hnhh8-00749-00161112-00161439 sort of found useful and it also uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00750-00161440-00161654 borrows from guidance that vr0JX1hnhh8-00751-00161655-00161847 alberto vr0JX1hnhh8-00752-00161848-00162007 who started this vr0JX1hnhh8-00753-00162008-00162247 methodology vr0JX1hnhh8-00754-00162248-00162407 had suggested vr0JX1hnhh8-00755-00162408-00162623 so you can look at this and i can take vr0JX1hnhh8-00756-00162624-00162839 you quickly through this uh so we vr0JX1hnhh8-00757-00162840-00163007 started with an initial event some of it vr0JX1hnhh8-00758-00163008-00163175 will be able to relate to we then vr0JX1hnhh8-00759-00163176-00163431 perform an event storm we do an explicit vr0JX1hnhh8-00760-00163432-00163575 walk through once the events normally vr0JX1hnhh8-00761-00163576-00163887 completed we verify whether the events vr0JX1hnhh8-00762-00163888-00163975 are vr0JX1hnhh8-00763-00163976-00164119 consistent and there aren't any which vr0JX1hnhh8-00764-00164120-00164223 we're missing and then we try and vr0JX1hnhh8-00765-00164224-00164423 narrate backwards what narrating vr0JX1hnhh8-00766-00164424-00164638 backwards means is we look at an event vr0JX1hnhh8-00767-00164639-00164799 for instance payment vr0JX1hnhh8-00768-00164800-00164959 uh completed vr0JX1hnhh8-00769-00164960-00165238 and we look at events that are essential vr0JX1hnhh8-00770-00165239-00165407 to ensure that this event we can arrive vr0JX1hnhh8-00771-00165408-00165535 after this event so we kind of go vr0JX1hnhh8-00772-00165536-00165711 backwards and see or for payment vr0JX1hnhh8-00773-00165712-00165902 completed did we have a corresponding 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point of view what vr0JX1hnhh8-00803-00172024-00172190 what you do the evan storm is kind of vr0JX1hnhh8-00804-00172191-00172438 you describe a domain or a particular vr0JX1hnhh8-00805-00172439-00172654 process scenario and then the hotspots vr0JX1hnhh8-00806-00172655-00172790 and some things in the board will give vr0JX1hnhh8-00807-00172791-00172863 you vr0JX1hnhh8-00808-00172864-00173038 or with the arrow voting an indication vr0JX1hnhh8-00809-00173039-00173238 where you want to focus basically in a vr0JX1hnhh8-00810-00173239-00173390 complex situation you won't you don't vr0JX1hnhh8-00811-00173391-00173535 want to address everything at the same vr0JX1hnhh8-00812-00173536-00173638 time vr0JX1hnhh8-00813-00173639-00173814 yeah there are some things that are more vr0JX1hnhh8-00814-00173815-00173999 important than others to address you vr0JX1hnhh8-00815-00174000-00174247 decide which ones to address first vr0JX1hnhh8-00816-00174248-00174399 and this is also in a situation where vr0JX1hnhh8-00817-00174400-00174614 you model a new product for a startup vr0JX1hnhh8-00818-00174615-00174790 you know this is how the thing should vr0JX1hnhh8-00819-00174791-00174959 work yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00820-00174960-00175143 okay this is what we want to go how do vr0JX1hnhh8-00821-00175144-00175302 we get that now well vr0JX1hnhh8-00822-00175303-00175502 let's have a look at where we can start vr0JX1hnhh8-00823-00175503-00175678 here yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00824-00175679-00175911 okay and then start from that particular vr0JX1hnhh8-00825-00175912-00176071 point basically don't try to do vr0JX1hnhh8-00826-00176072-00176254 everything at the same time vr0JX1hnhh8-00827-00176255-00176423 which is a general vr0JX1hnhh8-00828-00176424-00176687 advice yeah so this is basically what vr0JX1hnhh8-00829-00176688-00176823 you do yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00830-00176824-00177487 right but thank you vr0JX1hnhh8-00831-00177488-00177614 how are we vr0JX1hnhh8-00832-00177615-00177887 going with the time current vr0JX1hnhh8-00833-00177888-00178487 yep vr0JX1hnhh8-00834-00178488-00178878 okay vr0JX1hnhh8-00835-00178879-00178990 uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00836-00178991-00179231 okay let's get that that is visiting vr0JX1hnhh8-00837-00179232-00179447 visionary i don't know the name that is vr0JX1hnhh8-00838-00179448-00179663 still writing uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00839-00179664-00179887 what disliked vr0JX1hnhh8-00840-00179888-00180119 so let's wait until this person finishes vr0JX1hnhh8-00841-00180120-00180302 and then maybe we can we can have a vr0JX1hnhh8-00842-00180303-00180471 quick conversation here what do you vr0JX1hnhh8-00843-00180472-00180607 think vr0JX1hnhh8-00844-00180608-00180799 yeah i think in the we can just take vr0JX1hnhh8-00845-00180800-00180983 another two minutes uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00846-00180984-00181311 yeah if anyone has any questions vr0JX1hnhh8-00847-00181312-00181614 yes vr0JX1hnhh8-00848-00181615-00182031 we can take those vr0JX1hnhh8-00849-00182032-00182343 also we've got six minutes to to the end vr0JX1hnhh8-00850-00182344-00182526 so maybe we can current what do you vr0JX1hnhh8-00851-00182527-00182702 think we can go to buy these tickets and vr0JX1hnhh8-00852-00182703-00182847 then if there are questions people can vr0JX1hnhh8-00853-00182848-00183063 ask in the meantime yeah yeah sure i vr0JX1hnhh8-00854-00183064-00183343 think let's uh let's start with what we vr0JX1hnhh8-00855-00183344-00183654 disliked uh yeah this the first one is vr0JX1hnhh8-00856-00183655-00184071 what was there to dislike vr0JX1hnhh8-00857-00184072-00184183 okay vr0JX1hnhh8-00858-00184184-00184343 but this one is interesting about the vr0JX1hnhh8-00859-00184344-00184623 color sticky references so actually that vr0JX1hnhh8-00860-00184624-00184926 i agree with that complication i myself vr0JX1hnhh8-00861-00184927-00185071 and when i go vr0JX1hnhh8-00862-00185072-00185199 with more than three colors have a vr0JX1hnhh8-00863-00185200-00185311 problem vr0JX1hnhh8-00864-00185312-00185631 one thing that i suggest is also because vr0JX1hnhh8-00865-00185632-00185823 there are also color blind blind people vr0JX1hnhh8-00866-00185824-00185975 that may have serious trouble with the vr0JX1hnhh8-00867-00185976-00186135 different colors is vr0JX1hnhh8-00868-00186136-00186399 you can also put markers on the notes in vr0JX1hnhh8-00869-00186400-00186638 terms of you know an a for an actor or a vr0JX1hnhh8-00870-00186639-00186823 c for a command something like this it's vr0JX1hnhh8-00871-00186824-00187054 not that has to be an a or a c but vr0JX1hnhh8-00872-00187055-00187359 symbols yeah that people can understand vr0JX1hnhh8-00873-00187360-00187447 so vr0JX1hnhh8-00874-00187448-00187663 the caller whoever understands color vr0JX1hnhh8-00875-00187664-00187847 will be fine but whoever doesn't will be vr0JX1hnhh8-00876-00187848-00188054 fine as well vr0JX1hnhh8-00877-00188055-00188359 that that's a suggestion that i gave vr0JX1hnhh8-00878-00188360-00188583 anything to add karan deepti vr0JX1hnhh8-00879-00188584-00188966 yeah i i agree with that uh the colors vr0JX1hnhh8-00880-00188967-00189143 were generally vr0JX1hnhh8-00881-00189144-00189390 the origin of these colors was vr0JX1hnhh8-00882-00189391-00189583 because uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00883-00189584-00189743 they would they would match the actual vr0JX1hnhh8-00884-00189744-00189935 sticky notes and in practice these are vr0JX1hnhh8-00885-00189936-00190087 the kind of colors that vr0JX1hnhh8-00886-00190088-00190231 sticky notes come in vr0JX1hnhh8-00887-00190232-00190526 uh but there is no rule to it uh so as vr0JX1hnhh8-00888-00190527-00190687 you said i think that's a good good idea vr0JX1hnhh8-00889-00190688-00190790 we could vr0JX1hnhh8-00890-00190791-00191078 we could very well put uh acronyms on vr0JX1hnhh8-00891-00191079-00191335 top and use it that way vr0JX1hnhh8-00892-00191336-00191543 yeah that's because the colors is a vr0JX1hnhh8-00893-00191544-00191883 common problem yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00894-00191884-00192190 and okay so let's see if there is any vr0JX1hnhh8-00895-00192191-00192495 anything say good inside inputs from all vr0JX1hnhh8-00896-00192496-00192711 which are exactly the the purpose of vr0JX1hnhh8-00897-00192712-00192983 this having stakeholders together vr0JX1hnhh8-00898-00192984-00193214 great capture and then so i think all vr0JX1hnhh8-00899-00193215-00193390 the things we're discussing to be things vr0JX1hnhh8-00900-00193391-00193623 that people liked vr0JX1hnhh8-00901-00193624-00193814 now i've got a question for you so we've vr0JX1hnhh8-00902-00193815-00194047 got a few minutes are you going to use vr0JX1hnhh8-00903-00194048-00194166 it vr0JX1hnhh8-00904-00194167-00194414 at work do are you going to give it a go vr0JX1hnhh8-00905-00194415-00194607 do you think you want to try that who vr0JX1hnhh8-00906-00194608-00194807 wants to answer this you know who wants vr0JX1hnhh8-00907-00194808-00194999 to answer except from karan indictee of vr0JX1hnhh8-00908-00195000-00195271 course yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00909-00195272-00195407 except me also i just already shared vr0JX1hnhh8-00910-00195408-00195519 that i'm going to vr0JX1hnhh8-00911-00195520-00195766 use it next week yes vr0JX1hnhh8-00912-00195767-00196102 yes anybody else yeah yes vr0JX1hnhh8-00913-00196103-00196343 yes i definitely plan to do as well i vr0JX1hnhh8-00914-00196344-00196711 got i already had some ideas kicking in vr0JX1hnhh8-00915-00196712-00196999 yeah of course what we recommend we vr0JX1hnhh8-00916-00197000-00197111 recommend is also to look at the vr0JX1hnhh8-00917-00197112-00197343 references because today you know due to vr0JX1hnhh8-00918-00197344-00197519 time constraints we couldn't go in that vr0JX1hnhh8-00919-00197520-00197687 in all the concepts there are some other vr0JX1hnhh8-00920-00197688-00197966 concepts like the aggregate or pivotal vr0JX1hnhh8-00921-00197967-00198150 event or other things vr0JX1hnhh8-00922-00198151-00198326 that couldn't be vr0JX1hnhh8-00923-00198327-00198463 discussed today vr0JX1hnhh8-00924-00198464-00198631 but i think vr0JX1hnhh8-00925-00198632-00198871 our view is that what you've got here is vr0JX1hnhh8-00926-00198872-00199071 sufficient for you to get started in a vr0JX1hnhh8-00927-00199072-00199183 good way vr0JX1hnhh8-00928-00199184-00199263 yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-00929-00199264-00199471 so with all the already with the the vr0JX1hnhh8-00930-00199472-00199678 things you you know today vr0JX1hnhh8-00931-00199679-00199935 you can go a long way with modeling lots vr0JX1hnhh8-00932-00199936-00200175 of your domains and processes vr0JX1hnhh8-00933-00200176-00200478 yeah yeah and just to add to that uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00934-00200479-00200654 what we've also experienced in the past vr0JX1hnhh8-00935-00200655-00200863 is that uh this has vr0JX1hnhh8-00936-00200864-00201078 uh also turned out to be a great vr0JX1hnhh8-00937-00201079-00201366 exercise to discover ideas so it's not vr0JX1hnhh8-00938-00201367-00201550 always necessary that you need to use vr0JX1hnhh8-00939-00201551-00201743 this to model vr0JX1hnhh8-00940-00201744-00201854 technical vr0JX1hnhh8-00941-00201855-00202135 designs you could also use it for just vr0JX1hnhh8-00942-00202136-00202326 thinking about business processes in vr0JX1hnhh8-00943-00202327-00202423 general vr0JX1hnhh8-00944-00202424-00202607 we've often had situations where we've vr0JX1hnhh8-00945-00202608-00202735 worked with vr0JX1hnhh8-00946-00202736-00202871 people vr0JX1hnhh8-00947-00202872-00203111 clients partners who vr0JX1hnhh8-00948-00203112-00203335 who really found this useful to vr0JX1hnhh8-00949-00203336-00203478 understand how they should run their vr0JX1hnhh8-00950-00203479-00203702 business so that was uh a great vr0JX1hnhh8-00951-00203703-00203959 revelation so even before getting into vr0JX1hnhh8-00952-00203960-00204119 any kind of implementation product vr0JX1hnhh8-00953-00204120-00204343 implementation vr0JX1hnhh8-00954-00204344-00204495 yeah i think in the another point that i vr0JX1hnhh8-00955-00204496-00204823 would like to add is i think uh vr0JX1hnhh8-00956-00204823-00204990 like what karen mentioned vr0JX1hnhh8-00957-00204991-00205238 that they have identified like how they vr0JX1hnhh8-00958-00205239-00205406 should run their business i think vr0JX1hnhh8-00959-00205407-00205590 they've also identified sometimes like vr0JX1hnhh8-00960-00205591-00205742 the major gaps that their current vr0JX1hnhh8-00961-00205744-00205919 business process had vr0JX1hnhh8-00962-00205919-00206151 and they actually vr0JX1hnhh8-00963-00206152-00206303 like during the even storming session vr0JX1hnhh8-00964-00206304-00206486 they actually got various ideas also vr0JX1hnhh8-00965-00206487-00206751 that how they could improve it because vr0JX1hnhh8-00966-00206752-00206958 from point a to point b like everything vr0JX1hnhh8-00967-00206959-00207094 was in their mind but when they were vr0JX1hnhh8-00968-00207096-00207271 putting the stickies it actually became vr0JX1hnhh8-00969-00207271-00207510 a lot clearer for them also that these vr0JX1hnhh8-00970-00207511-00207671 are the gaps in our in their business vr0JX1hnhh8-00971-00207671-00207823 processes as well vr0JX1hnhh8-00972-00207823-00208094 so yeah i think yeah after like the full vr0JX1hnhh8-00973-00208096-00208334 event storm workshops like there are vr0JX1hnhh8-00974-00208335-00208598 definitely some really interesting vr0JX1hnhh8-00975-00208600-00208903 uh outputs and definitely some really vr0JX1hnhh8-00976-00208904-00209046 interesting insights for the business vr0JX1hnhh8-00977-00209048-00209255 stakeholders and for the technical teams vr0JX1hnhh8-00978-00209256-00209479 they definitely come out vr0JX1hnhh8-00979-00209480-00209758 so yeah it's really like interesting to vr0JX1hnhh8-00980-00209759-00210039 be part of these workshops vr0JX1hnhh8-00981-00210040-00210303 um one of the things that i feel i could vr0JX1hnhh8-00982-00210304-00210527 use it is you know and i've mentioned it vr0JX1hnhh8-00983-00210528-00210646 also maybe vr0JX1hnhh8-00984-00210648-00210846 to explore on how maybe value stream vr0JX1hnhh8-00985-00210848-00211071 mapping or process mapping could be done vr0JX1hnhh8-00986-00211071-00211158 where vr0JX1hnhh8-00987-00211159-00211406 i think um karan and deepti had vr0JX1hnhh8-00988-00211407-00211582 mentioned that there are certain vr0JX1hnhh8-00989-00211583-00211823 terminologies which are different for vr0JX1hnhh8-00990-00211823-00212015 different people vr0JX1hnhh8-00991-00212016-00212206 but through this exercise we could come vr0JX1hnhh8-00992-00212207-00212327 on the same vr0JX1hnhh8-00993-00212328-00212479 because different stakeholders might vr0JX1hnhh8-00994-00212480-00212639 have different definition vr0JX1hnhh8-00995-00212640-00212927 of the same process or vr0JX1hnhh8-00996-00212928-00213167 work items so that also vr0JX1hnhh8-00997-00213167-00213415 through this exercise it will help to vr0JX1hnhh8-00998-00213416-00213727 get everybody on the same page vr0JX1hnhh8-00999-00213728-00213910 yeah as well yep vr0JX1hnhh8-01000-00213911-00214110 that's definitely the case i work on vr0JX1hnhh8-01001-00214111-00214319 systems with banks where they had even vr0JX1hnhh8-01002-00214319-00214479 in the database vr0JX1hnhh8-01003-00214480-00214798 four or six different representations of vr0JX1hnhh8-01004-00214800-00214919 time vr0JX1hnhh8-01005-00214919-00215103 now very different so you can imagine vr0JX1hnhh8-01006-00215104-00215287 what happens when you do that or they vr0JX1hnhh8-01007-00215288-00215479 call the same thing like transaction vr0JX1hnhh8-01008-00215480-00215606 contract vr0JX1hnhh8-01009-00215607-00215823 deal and you know four or five times for vr0JX1hnhh8-01010-00215823-00215967 exactly the same thing these things vr0JX1hnhh8-01011-00215967-00216198 reflected in the software itself which vr0JX1hnhh8-01012-00216200-00216494 meant maintaining the code was hell yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-01013-00216496-00216623 because it was very difficult to vr0JX1hnhh8-01014-00216623-00216775 understand everything what you are vr0JX1hnhh8-01015-00216776-00217046 touching yeah vr0JX1hnhh8-01016-00217048-00217439 really okay i think time is up now vr0JX1hnhh8-01017-00217440-00217671 just waiting for it uh that brings us to vr0JX1hnhh8-01018-00217671-00217863 the end um vr0JX1hnhh8-01019-00217864-00218023 thank you everyone thank you karen thank vr0JX1hnhh8-01020-00218023-00218231 you deepti thank you uh giovanni we've vr0JX1hnhh8-01021-00218232-00218471 had an amazing session vr0JX1hnhh8-01022-00218471-00218694 there were a lot of insights takeaways vr0JX1hnhh8-01023-00218696-00218791 um vr0JX1hnhh8-01024-00218792-00218998 we could hear from the participants and vr0JX1hnhh8-01025-00219000-00219182 all of you participants were an amazing vr0JX1hnhh8-01026-00219183-00219439 bunch of participants with a lot of live vr0JX1hnhh8-01027-00219440-00219631 interaction and 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vw6GLDe-b5Q-00103-00023729-00023894 business his Guardian news and media vw6GLDe-b5Q-00104-00023895-00024131 limited publisher of The Guardian comm vw6GLDe-b5Q-00105-00024132-00024242 and The Guardian and The Observer vw6GLDe-b5Q-00106-00024243-00024569 newspapers Guardian news and media was vw6GLDe-b5Q-00107-00024570-00024796 formed as Guardian newspapers limited in vw6GLDe-b5Q-00108-00024797-00025133 1967 adopting its present name in 2006 vw6GLDe-b5Q-00109-00025134-00025378 the group has a portfolio of investments vw6GLDe-b5Q-00110-00025379-00025667 to help support its journalism they vw6GLDe-b5Q-00111-00025668-00025868 comprised essential and international vw6GLDe-b5Q-00112-00025869-00026006 business to business digital vw6GLDe-b5Q-00113-00026007-00026296 intelligence and events business GMG vw6GLDe-b5Q-00114-00026297-00026508 property services a provider of software vw6GLDe-b5Q-00115-00026509-00026777 technology and design solutions to the vw6GLDe-b5Q-00116-00026777-00027023 the 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Morris John Paton Baroness Gael Roebuck vw6GLDe-b5Q-00144-00035366-00035840 Karim Williams Richard Coeur yays min vw6GLDe-b5Q-00145-00035841-00037243 Jeff our topic notes and references vw6GLDe-b5Q-00146-00037244-00037993 topic external links official website vw6GLDe-b5Q-00147-00037994-00038206 Guardian website vw6GLDe-b5Q-00148-00038207-00038582 TMG website GMG Property Services vw6GLDe-b5Q-00149-00038583-00038834 website vx__E6ucKlY-00000-00000006-00000176 we've seen how to declare new arrays and vx__E6ucKlY-00001-00000177-00000388 and and we've also seen that the vx__E6ucKlY-00002-00000389-00000580 computer automatically fills a new vx__E6ucKlY-00003-00000581-00000767 arrays cells with some default value so vx__E6ucKlY-00004-00000768-00001016 as an example each cell in an int array vx__E6ucKlY-00005-00001017-00001208 gets the default value 0 and then our vx__E6ucKlY-00006-00001209-00001358 program would go through and replace vx__E6ucKlY-00007-00001359-00001574 those values with 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the array then we would vx__E6ucKlY-00035-00007836-00008102 increase size as necessary now we saw in vx__E6ucKlY-00036-00008103-00008317 a prior lecture how we would generalize vx__E6ucKlY-00037-00008318-00008531 a loop so that we could process every vx__E6ucKlY-00038-00008532-00008767 element of data in an array of any sucks vx__E6ucKlY-00039-00008768-00008987 essentially we just access every index vx__E6ucKlY-00040-00008988-00009167 starting from 0 and going to the length vx__E6ucKlY-00041-00009168-00009389 minus 1 that's the arrays length minus 1 vx__E6ucKlY-00042-00009390-00009599 but when the array snot full instead of vx__E6ucKlY-00043-00009600-00009824 using the arrays physical size its vx__E6ucKlY-00044-00009825-00010024 length we want to use its logical size vx__E6ucKlY-00045-00010025-00010285 so we can see here an example of a chunk vx__E6ucKlY-00046-00010286-00010463 of code that's taking some arrays scores vx__E6ucKlY-00047-00010464-00010820 which is of length 50 and and 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array well you can probably imagine what vx__E6ucKlY-00089-00018587-00018769 that will look like but we'll treat it vx__E6ucKlY-00090-00018770-00018964 formally a little bit later let's wrap vx__E6ucKlY-00091-00018965-00019165 up by looking at a couple of short vx__E6ucKlY-00092-00019166-00019486 programs that use arrays in conjunction vx__E6ucKlY-00093-00019487-00019732 with text files we can see in this first vx__E6ucKlY-00094-00019733-00019921 program essentially what we're saying is vx__E6ucKlY-00095-00019922-00020215 I want to create a new array that has 10 vx__E6ucKlY-00096-00020216-00020566 slots and I have the logical size which vx__E6ucKlY-00097-00020567-00020764 currently starts at 0 I'm gonna take vx__E6ucKlY-00098-00020765-00021028 some user input from the console until vx__E6ucKlY-00099-00021029-00021304 the user types in negative 1 and I'm vx__E6ucKlY-00100-00021305-00021634 every time I'm going to store my new vx__E6ucKlY-00101-00021635-00021877 number into the appropriate spot in my vx__E6ucKlY-00102-00021878-00022105 array and I'm going to increase the vx__E6ucKlY-00103-00022106-00022291 logical size finally what I do is just vx__E6ucKlY-00104-00022292-00022546 take those numbers and I output them to vx__E6ucKlY-00105-00022547-00022777 a text file now it's important to note vx__E6ucKlY-00106-00022778-00022954 here we're using the logical size as a vx__E6ucKlY-00107-00022955-00023134 way to limit the amount of user input vx__E6ucKlY-00108-00023135-00023250 you can see the condition on the while vx__E6ucKlY-00109-00023251-00023488 loop right while count is less than the vx__E6ucKlY-00110-00023489-00023775 array length that's one of the two ways vx__E6ucKlY-00111-00023776-00023965 this program stops taking it but the vx__E6ucKlY-00112-00023966-00024079 other of course being if the user vx__E6ucKlY-00113-00024080-00024388 entered negative one crucially our for vx__E6ucKlY-00114-00024389-00024694 loop that actually writes to file uses vx__E6ucKlY-00115-00024695-00024889 the logical size in its condition you vx__E6ucKlY-00116-00024890-00025213 can see while I is less than count again vx__E6ucKlY-00117-00025214-00025411 the critical variable here is count vx__E6ucKlY-00118-00025412-00025657 another quick example here we're taking vx__E6ucKlY-00119-00025658-00025807 a bunch of information from a text file vx__E6ucKlY-00120-00025808-00025969 just a series of numbers and we're vx__E6ucKlY-00121-00025970-00026145 storing them into an array that's 10 vx__E6ucKlY-00122-00026147-00026380 units long we'll take a look at this vx__E6ucKlY-00123-00026381-00026577 while loop or see we have two can vx__E6ucKlY-00124-00026579-00026851 we're saying while the count is less vx__E6ucKlY-00125-00026852-00026992 than the array length in other words vx__E6ucKlY-00126-00026993-00027270 while our logical size is still smaller vx__E6ucKlY-00127-00027272-00027595 than our physical size and while there's vx__E6ucKlY-00128-00027595-00027802 a next thing to read well we want to do vx__E6ucKlY-00129-00027802-00027961 all this stuff looks like we're getting vx__E6ucKlY-00130-00027962-00028219 the the next the next integer from the vx__E6ucKlY-00131-00028220-00028495 file or storing any the next open spot vx__E6ucKlY-00132-00028495-00028636 in the array and then we're increasing vx__E6ucKlY-00133-00028637-00028885 our logical size then we go ahead and vx__E6ucKlY-00134-00028886-00029044 write everything to the file and this is vx__E6ucKlY-00135-00029045-00029332 the interesting part we know if there is vx__E6ucKlY-00136-00029333-00029701 anything left in the file to read that vx__E6ucKlY-00137-00029702-00029941 means that we lost some data during our vx__E6ucKlY-00138-00029942-00030157 input and we know that because if we vx__E6ucKlY-00139-00030158-00030408 still have something in the file to read vx__E6ucKlY-00140-00030408-00030664 but we're no longer reading it means we vx__E6ucKlY-00141-00030664-00030883 exited this while loop which means that vx__E6ucKlY-00142-00030883-00031110 our logical size eventually exceeded our vx__E6ucKlY-00143-00031111-00031438 or was about to exceed our physical size vx__E6ucKlY-00144-00031439-00031702 so we broke out up there to just nifty vx__E6ucKlY-00145-00031702-00031933 little examples demonstrating the use of vx__E6ucKlY-00146-00031933-00032149 logical size and physical size and text vx__E6ucKlY-00147-00032150-00032401 files as you can imagine logical vx__E6ucKlY-00148-00032402-00032575 physical size main ideas of this of this vx__E6ucKlY-00149-00032576-00032739 lecture we want to be able to know also vx__E6ucKlY-00150-00032741-00032917 what happens if you try to access an vx__E6ucKlY-00151-00032918-00033139 array cell whose index is greater than vx__E6ucKlY-00152-00033140-00033325 or equal to its logical size but you vx__E6ucKlY-00153-00033326-00033568 know less than its physical size and see vx__E6ucKlY-00154-00033569-00033718 if you can write a program that takes vx__E6ucKlY-00155-00033719-00034027 input from the user and fills up a not vx__E6ucKlY-00156-00034028-00034474 totally full array that's it vy9ftKHRMlc-00000-00000028-00000574 [Music] vy9ftKHRMlc-00001-00000575-00000711 hey everyone i'm terry g vy9ftKHRMlc-00002-00000712-00000839 thanks a lot for stopping by and vy9ftKHRMlc-00003-00000840-00000975 watching my video if you could take a vy9ftKHRMlc-00004-00000976-00001039 second vy9ftKHRMlc-00005-00001040-00001207 can you please subscribe to my channel vy9ftKHRMlc-00006-00001208-00001358 i'd really appreciate it again thanks a vy9ftKHRMlc-00007-00001359-00001495 lot for stopping by vy9ftKHRMlc-00008-00001496-00001647 what i want to talk about today i want vy9ftKHRMlc-00009-00001648-00001902 to talk about step four in alcoholics vy9ftKHRMlc-00010-00001903-00001991 anonymous vy9ftKHRMlc-00011-00001992-00002207 made us searching fearless immoral vy9ftKHRMlc-00012-00002208-00002375 inventory of ourselves vy9ftKHRMlc-00013-00002376-00002518 and the reason i want to talk about it vy9ftKHRMlc-00014-00002519-00002742 because i think a lot of us get bogged vy9ftKHRMlc-00015-00002743-00002847 down vy9ftKHRMlc-00016-00002848-00003063 or stuck when it comes to doing this vy9ftKHRMlc-00017-00003064-00003286 stuff this step can be very overwhelming vy9ftKHRMlc-00018-00003288-00003327 to vy9ftKHRMlc-00019-00003328-00003654 people and very very intimidating i feel vy9ftKHRMlc-00020-00003655-00003903 there's two slogans that do apply vy9ftKHRMlc-00021-00003904-00004135 to everyone where they're doing a step vy9ftKHRMlc-00022-00004136-00004295 four the first one is vy9ftKHRMlc-00023-00004296-00004663 easy does it but do it vy9ftKHRMlc-00024-00004664-00004919 like i said the step 4 can be very vy9ftKHRMlc-00025-00004920-00005031 overwhelming vy9ftKHRMlc-00026-00005032-00005279 and people may feel intimidated by doing vy9ftKHRMlc-00027-00005280-00005502 it if it's bringing up emotions vy9ftKHRMlc-00028-00005503-00005718 that you're not comfortable with or the vy9ftKHRMlc-00029-00005719-00005831 vents in your head vy9ftKHRMlc-00030-00005832-00006006 that you're not sure of or you're vy9ftKHRMlc-00031-00006007-00006143 feeling uneasy about vy9ftKHRMlc-00032-00006144-00006446 just put the pen down or the pencil down vy9ftKHRMlc-00033-00006447-00006670 and just step back a little bit but vy9ftKHRMlc-00034-00006672-00006775 don't give up vy9ftKHRMlc-00035-00006776-00007046 on doing it the second one is like i vy9ftKHRMlc-00036-00007047-00007198 said is keep it simple vy9ftKHRMlc-00037-00007200-00007423 there's a lot of ways of doing a four vy9ftKHRMlc-00038-00007423-00007503 step vy9ftKHRMlc-00039-00007504-00007751 when i did my fourth step they were vy9ftKHRMlc-00040-00007752-00007910 giving me handouts vy9ftKHRMlc-00041-00007911-00008207 little booklets and inventory like crazy vy9ftKHRMlc-00042-00008208-00008374 ever since i was like a little baby i vy9ftKHRMlc-00043-00008375-00008503 don't know what the hell they're doing vy9ftKHRMlc-00044-00008504-00008774 but i felt very overwhelmed when doing vy9ftKHRMlc-00045-00008775-00008807 this vy9ftKHRMlc-00046-00008808-00009087 a four-step i talked to somebody in a vy9ftKHRMlc-00047-00009088-00009206 group one time at a vy9ftKHRMlc-00048-00009207-00009471 an ai meeting and this person told me vy9ftKHRMlc-00049-00009472-00009663 terry why don't you just do it the exact vy9ftKHRMlc-00050-00009664-00009767 same way vy9ftKHRMlc-00051-00009768-00009967 they do it in the big book and in the vy9ftKHRMlc-00052-00009968-00010191 big book it's really laid out vy9ftKHRMlc-00053-00010192-00010319 simplistically vy9ftKHRMlc-00054-00010320-00010559 well because the way they do it is vy9ftKHRMlc-00055-00010560-00010695 exactly like this vy9ftKHRMlc-00056-00010696-00011014 they write a column first column of who vy9ftKHRMlc-00057-00011015-00011423 i resent so you put down who you resent vy9ftKHRMlc-00058-00011424-00011719 the second column you put down is what 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vy9ftKHRMlc-00088-00017912-00018094 writing it on a piece of paper or in a vy9ftKHRMlc-00089-00018095-00018239 book similar to this vy9ftKHRMlc-00090-00018240-00018527 is very liberating too because when you vy9ftKHRMlc-00091-00018528-00018655 write it down vy9ftKHRMlc-00092-00018656-00018839 you can read it back to yourself and vy9ftKHRMlc-00093-00018840-00019079 look at it so it reinforces those vy9ftKHRMlc-00094-00019080-00019175 resentments vy9ftKHRMlc-00095-00019176-00019367 that they are real and that they are vy9ftKHRMlc-00096-00019368-00019583 really affecting you vy9ftKHRMlc-00097-00019584-00019886 i put down people that i stole from i vy9ftKHRMlc-00098-00019887-00019967 put down vy9ftKHRMlc-00099-00019968-00020311 my mother my father school teachers vy9ftKHRMlc-00100-00020312-00020607 also what i found that i resented myself vy9ftKHRMlc-00101-00020608-00020694 a lot vy9ftKHRMlc-00102-00020695-00020958 i had a lot of self anger i put that vy9ftKHRMlc-00103-00020959-00021014 down vy9ftKHRMlc-00104-00021015-00021319 and i put down why and how i felt about vy9ftKHRMlc-00105-00021320-00021407 that at the end vy9ftKHRMlc-00106-00021408-00021575 obviously how i felt was i resentful vy9ftKHRMlc-00107-00021576-00021767 that myself vy9ftKHRMlc-00108-00021768-00022063 but it was very liberating to do but the vy9ftKHRMlc-00109-00022064-00022230 main thing about a step four vy9ftKHRMlc-00110-00022231-00022471 is that we need to do it we need to do vy9ftKHRMlc-00111-00022472-00022750 it like me if your handwriting's no good vy9ftKHRMlc-00112-00022751-00022991 or your spelling's no good just do it vy9ftKHRMlc-00113-00022992-00023071 anyways because vy9ftKHRMlc-00114-00023072-00023286 you're the only one that really sees it vy9ftKHRMlc-00115-00023287-00023414 you're the only one that vy9ftKHRMlc-00116-00023415-00023655 has to read it back but it's the first vy9ftKHRMlc-00117-00023656-00023727 step of vy9ftKHRMlc-00118-00023728-00024086 action in 12-step recovery program of vy9ftKHRMlc-00119-00024087-00024207 alcoholics anonymous vy9ftKHRMlc-00120-00024208-00024383 the first three steps are kind of like vy9ftKHRMlc-00121-00024384-00024614 just thinking steps you know step one vy9ftKHRMlc-00122-00024615-00024903 we have to get honest step two we have vy9ftKHRMlc-00123-00024904-00024967 to have an op vy9ftKHRMlc-00124-00024968-00025207 create an open mind get an open mind vy9ftKHRMlc-00125-00025208-00025327 step three vy9ftKHRMlc-00126-00025328-00025639 create the willingness but step four we vy9ftKHRMlc-00127-00025639-00025806 have to get off our butts vy9ftKHRMlc-00128-00025807-00026031 and start doing some work for our vy9ftKHRMlc-00129-00026032-00026127 recovery vy9ftKHRMlc-00130-00026127-00026358 doing an inventory is a part of the vy9ftKHRMlc-00131-00026360-00026462 house cleaning vy9ftKHRMlc-00132-00026463-00026839 that starts rebuilding our recovery vy9ftKHRMlc-00133-00026839-00027174 life it's a fantastic step to do it's a vy9ftKHRMlc-00134-00027175-00027383 step that made me feel that i belong in vy9ftKHRMlc-00135-00027383-00027527 recovery more vy9ftKHRMlc-00136-00027527-00027790 as painful as it was as many tears as i vy9ftKHRMlc-00137-00027791-00027943 had from it vy9ftKHRMlc-00138-00027944-00028223 it did give me some hope that i wasn't vy9ftKHRMlc-00139-00028224-00028262 going vy9ftKHRMlc-00140-00028263-00028551 totally crazy and i think by the effect vy9ftKHRMlc-00141-00028552-00028662 of writing it down vy9ftKHRMlc-00142-00028663-00028862 before i could see it and it kind of vy9ftKHRMlc-00143-00028863-00029070 released the energy from my body vy9ftKHRMlc-00144-00029072-00029311 start to release those resentments in vy9ftKHRMlc-00145-00029312-00029446 those negative thoughts vy9ftKHRMlc-00146-00029447-00029695 i had about people placing things about vy9ftKHRMlc-00147-00029695-00029799 me but vy9ftKHRMlc-00148-00029800-00030127 i understand why people get intimidated vy9ftKHRMlc-00149-00030127-00030414 feel anxiety and get bogged down from it vy9ftKHRMlc-00150-00030416-00030479 because vy9ftKHRMlc-00151-00030480-00030687 it is overwhelming but it's not vy9ftKHRMlc-00152-00030688-00030846 impossible to do vy9ftKHRMlc-00153-00030847-00031174 just take it minute by minute i suggest vy9ftKHRMlc-00154-00031175-00031439 like i said earlier to do it the exact vy9ftKHRMlc-00155-00031439-00031543 same way vy9ftKHRMlc-00156-00031544-00031879 that is done in the big book it's very vy9ftKHRMlc-00157-00031880-00031951 simple vy9ftKHRMlc-00158-00031952-00032158 it's very simplistic talk to your vy9ftKHRMlc-00159-00032160-00032358 sponsor get a big book vy9ftKHRMlc-00160-00032360-00032623 read about it go on the internet there's vy9ftKHRMlc-00161-00032624-00032807 tons of information about it vy9ftKHRMlc-00162-00032808-00033143 keep it simple easy does it but vy9ftKHRMlc-00163-00033144-00033399 do it you will feel great and another vy9ftKHRMlc-00164-00033400-00033574 one i'd like to start off saying vy9ftKHRMlc-00165-00033575-00033790 before i finish the video it doesn't vy9ftKHRMlc-00166-00033791-00033983 matter how petty you think the vy9ftKHRMlc-00167-00033984-00034095 resentment is vy9ftKHRMlc-00168-00034096-00034415 or how far back that resentment goes or vy9ftKHRMlc-00169-00034416-00034679 that event goes that you cause harm to vy9ftKHRMlc-00170-00034680-00034862 somebody or somebody cause harm to you vy9ftKHRMlc-00171-00034863-00035095 it doesn't matter how far back you go vy9ftKHRMlc-00172-00035096-00035199 write it down because vy9ftKHRMlc-00173-00035200-00035423 if you're remembering it if you're vy9ftKHRMlc-00174-00035424-00035518 thinking it vy9ftKHRMlc-00175-00035519-00035783 you're reliving it it is still very vy9ftKHRMlc-00176-00035784-00035846 current vy9ftKHRMlc-00177-00035847-00036095 within you so write it down and if your vy9ftKHRMlc-00178-00036096-00036279 resentment feels petty vy9ftKHRMlc-00179-00036280-00036511 write it down because i was embarrassed vy9ftKHRMlc-00180-00036512-00036662 a little bit to talk about vy9ftKHRMlc-00181-00036663-00036935 things that i resented but it's okay to vy9ftKHRMlc-00182-00036936-00037007 do that vy9ftKHRMlc-00183-00037008-00037271 the house cleaning must be thorough and vy9ftKHRMlc-00184-00037272-00037455 the most important thing is vy9ftKHRMlc-00185-00037456-00037807 be as honest and frank as you can vy9ftKHRMlc-00186-00037808-00038023 with yourself and with the person you do vy9ftKHRMlc-00187-00038024-00038143 your fifth step with vy9ftKHRMlc-00188-00038144-00038271 but i'm not going to talk about the vy9ftKHRMlc-00189-00038272-00038439 fifth step because this is about the vy9ftKHRMlc-00190-00038440-00038543 fourth step vy9ftKHRMlc-00191-00038544-00038815 okay so i hope i cleared it up and vy9ftKHRMlc-00192-00038816-00038974 myself i had a little bit of reading vy9ftKHRMlc-00193-00038975-00039087 problems in that and i 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from those vyT3XwmGV3y-00061-00015410-00015616 experiences with them well doodle was vyT3XwmGV3y-00062-00015616-00015880 like it was like your own person like I vyT3XwmGV3y-00063-00015881-00016111 think it was so many people in Detroit vyT3XwmGV3y-00064-00016112-00016279 that sounded like him and I had a sound vyT3XwmGV3y-00065-00016280-00016747 it was more raw and you know wasn't as vyT3XwmGV3y-00066-00016748-00016990 polished I learned that polished sound vyT3XwmGV3y-00067-00016991-00017431 from Dre later but then once I started vyT3XwmGV3y-00068-00017432-00017581 learning it from Dre I went back and vyT3XwmGV3y-00069-00017582-00017833 started listening to more what Dylan was vyT3XwmGV3y-00070-00017834-00017971 doing and I learned that like just vyT3XwmGV3y-00071-00017972-00018238 having a polished way of being rugged vyT3XwmGV3y-00072-00018239-00018487 like where it was like the kid may not vyT3XwmGV3y-00073-00018488-00018730 be so rounded but it's just you filled 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noticed that you know and him included vyT3XwmGV3y-00088-00022120-00022411 you as well a lot of these producers are vyT3XwmGV3y-00089-00022412-00022792 rappers songwriters themselves and I vyT3XwmGV3y-00090-00022793-00022912 don't want to call you just a rapper but vyT3XwmGV3y-00091-00022913-00023113 do you think that being a rapper having vyT3XwmGV3y-00092-00023114-00023260 having that art form under your belt vyT3XwmGV3y-00093-00023261-00023425 gives you an advantage as a beat maker vyT3XwmGV3y-00094-00023426-00023719 and a producer yes absolutely vyT3XwmGV3y-00095-00023720-00023965 but it's also it's also hard to let go vyT3XwmGV3y-00096-00023966-00024196 of some of that music too because you vyT3XwmGV3y-00097-00024197-00024415 hear you're so corny that was something vyT3XwmGV3y-00098-00024416-00024658 that I am just now after all that is vyT3XwmGV3y-00099-00024659-00025099 time runner to not fall into but uh it vyT3XwmGV3y-00100-00025100-00025399 absolutely helps man because I 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still an involvement that I had that it vyT3XwmGV3y-00194-00047718-00047900 was like and then I actually worked on a vyT3XwmGV3y-00195-00047901-00048062 couple songs worth you know added up vyT3XwmGV3y-00196-00048063-00048395 John add stuff here and there but man vyT3XwmGV3y-00197-00048396-00048602 it's a hard thing to do when you got a vyT3XwmGV3y-00198-00048603-00048794 switch with executive producer I could vyT3XwmGV3y-00199-00048795-00048944 produce a whole album and it won't sound vyT3XwmGV3y-00200-00048945-00049100 like the same person I know how to do vyT3XwmGV3y-00201-00049101-00049433 that but I also know how to listen to vyT3XwmGV3y-00202-00049434-00049730 the music from other producers they say vyT3XwmGV3y-00203-00049731-00049940 yo this is amazing like we need to use vyT3XwmGV3y-00204-00049941-00050162 it this is important but let's take this vyT3XwmGV3y-00205-00050163-00050345 in piece and connect it with this other vyT3XwmGV3y-00206-00050346-00050610 piece no not something you got to learn vyT3XwmGV3y-00207-00050611-00050747 your ego just got to be out of it vyT3XwmGV3y-00208-00050748-00050798 completely vyT3XwmGV3y-00209-00050799-00050942 that's interesting so you took yourself vyT3XwmGV3y-00210-00050943-00051285 off of the Kamikaze of them for the sake vyT3XwmGV3y-00211-00051286-00051581 of creating a more cohesive body of work vyT3XwmGV3y-00212-00051582-00051767 I guess you would say yeah and just vyT3XwmGV3y-00213-00051768-00051926 because there's some like let's say the vyT3XwmGV3y-00214-00051927-00052157 content wasn't the content was a little vyT3XwmGV3y-00215-00052158-00052405 heavier then you know what I mean or vyT3XwmGV3y-00216-00052406-00052799 whatever the case like I think in vyT3XwmGV3y-00217-00052800-00052984 business vyT3XwmGV3y-00218-00052985-00053152 that's my brother so it's a lot vyT3XwmGV3y-00219-00053153-00053578 different so with him I'm alone be vyT3XwmGV3y-00220-00053579-00053884 selfish and say well I got to be a part 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I've remembered that you know so you vyT3XwmGV3y-00235-00057004-00057307 got to be a bigger person and be able to vyT3XwmGV3y-00236-00057308-00057516 be honest about it and a lot of people vyT3XwmGV3y-00237-00057517-00057676 wouldn't be in that situation and do it vyT3XwmGV3y-00238-00057677-00057816 they may be like nah [__] that I'm vyT3XwmGV3y-00239-00057817-00057925 putting this record on here like it's vyT3XwmGV3y-00240-00057926-00058147 gotta go you've got to be honest with vyT3XwmGV3y-00241-00058148-00058266 yourself if there's not something that's vyT3XwmGV3y-00242-00058267-00058462 gonna make both of them if it's not vyT3XwmGV3y-00243-00058463-00058794 alike that artists look good don't do it vyT3XwmGV3y-00244-00058795-00059095 take the air if you miss that vyT3XwmGV3y-00245-00059096-00059239 opportunity a lot of people will be like vyT3XwmGV3y-00246-00059240-00059379 9 missing that because of the money or vyT3XwmGV3y-00247-00059380-00059503 whatever it's not about the money it's vyT3XwmGV3y-00248-00059504-00059749 literally at my legacy at this one so to vyT3XwmGV3y-00249-00059750-00059977 keep on this theme of executive vyT3XwmGV3y-00250-00059978-00060178 production I read an interview gave to vyT3XwmGV3y-00251-00060179-00060349 Billboard magazine in which you vyT3XwmGV3y-00252-00060350-00060547 discussed your role in revival and vyT3XwmGV3y-00253-00060548-00060748 you've already spoken a little bit about vyT3XwmGV3y-00254-00060749-00061000 your role in revival just beyond vyT3XwmGV3y-00255-00061001-00061362 producing records and in this particular vyT3XwmGV3y-00256-00061363-00061702 interview you spoke about suggesting the vyT3XwmGV3y-00257-00061703-00061924 Beyonce feature for a walk on water so vyT3XwmGV3y-00258-00061925-00062083 would you say you took an executive vyT3XwmGV3y-00259-00062084-00062383 producer role on revival as well yeah I vyT3XwmGV3y-00260-00062384-00062548 mean it's just hard to you know it's vyT3XwmGV3y-00261-00062549-00062710 hard to get that I think cuz there's so vyT3XwmGV3y-00262-00062711-00063054 many Em's albums are so big I don't know vyT3XwmGV3y-00263-00063055-00063291 and I'm so close to the ship sometimes I vyT3XwmGV3y-00264-00063292-00063502 don't even know what they even can see vyT3XwmGV3y-00265-00063503-00063814 me in that light but they don't stop my vyT3XwmGV3y-00266-00063815-00064041 contribution I'm never gonna go to them vyT3XwmGV3y-00267-00064042-00064234 I think you I think it's the worst thing vyT3XwmGV3y-00268-00064235-00064372 where it's feeling in the world is to vyT3XwmGV3y-00269-00064373-00064585 have to go to somebody and say hey can I vyT3XwmGV3y-00270-00064586-00064840 do this the gratitude the great the vyT3XwmGV3y-00271-00064841-00064990 great part about it is saying like hey vyT3XwmGV3y-00272-00064991-00065391 we want you to do this right now keep vyT3XwmGV3y-00273-00065392-00065563 going until I get that I don't want no vyT3XwmGV3y-00274-00065564-00065887 handouts I don't want that no I want vyT3XwmGV3y-00275-00065888-00066082 them to feel like it's like something so vyT3XwmGV3y-00276-00066083-00066325 my role is just always my role know vyT3XwmGV3y-00277-00066326-00066529 and I'm always playing big parts in here vyT3XwmGV3y-00278-00066530-00066769 so it's just to me adult I don't know if vyT3XwmGV3y-00279-00066770-00067108 it if it ever really makes sense in that vyT3XwmGV3y-00280-00067109-00067333 situation with others you like a vyT3XwmGV3y-00281-00067334-00067588 complete somebody saying yeah we want vyT3XwmGV3y-00282-00067589-00067771 you to produce this next examine vyT3XwmGV3y-00283-00067772-00067948 producer Travis got out or something vyT3XwmGV3y-00284-00067949-00068119 like that like going into something like vyT3XwmGV3y-00285-00068120-00068296 that with knowing my track record that's vyT3XwmGV3y-00286-00068297-00068566 a that's a that that's an accomplishment vyT3XwmGV3y-00287-00068567-00068638 right vyT3XwmGV3y-00288-00068639-00069007 you know like with like Paul being a Def vyT3XwmGV3y-00289-00069008-00069355 Jam right I think something like him vyT3XwmGV3y-00290-00069356-00069523 saying yo this kid I want you to take vyT3XwmGV3y-00291-00069524-00069667 this and I want you to do this not to do vyT3XwmGV3y-00292-00069668-00069805 this because I believe in what you do vyT3XwmGV3y-00293-00069806-00069958 those are wins for me vyT3XwmGV3y-00294-00069959-00070330 right not me having to say yo let me do vyT3XwmGV3y-00295-00070331-00070519 this let me do I just kind of do it vyT3XwmGV3y-00296-00070520-00070764 around there cuz we it's a team effort vyT3XwmGV3y-00297-00070765-00071014 you know like the bad news he was a vyT3XwmGV3y-00298-00071015-00071287 different thing because I might start vyT3XwmGV3y-00299-00071288-00071518 the project place by the last one I vyT3XwmGV3y-00300-00071519-00071812 started me worst but he I started it and vyT3XwmGV3y-00301-00071813-00072055 we came in with the ideas and then it 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vyT3XwmGV3y-00328-00078968-00079162 for me I don't have these things and I'm vyT3XwmGV3y-00329-00079163-00079309 looking at him just like wow that was a vyT3XwmGV3y-00330-00079310-00079594 great time like like it's like that's vyT3XwmGV3y-00331-00079595-00079702 always a possibility vyT3XwmGV3y-00332-00079703-00079951 for that to happen again and I think vyT3XwmGV3y-00333-00079952-00080152 that my track record I'm just quiet you vyT3XwmGV3y-00334-00080153-00080527 know I'm not really a I'm not really a vyT3XwmGV3y-00335-00080528-00080839 talkative person about stuff I do so I vyT3XwmGV3y-00336-00080840-00081073 think anybody that's in that position vyT3XwmGV3y-00337-00081074-00081436 you don't really you don't really put it vyT3XwmGV3y-00338-00081437-00081667 out there that you have it you just are vyT3XwmGV3y-00339-00081668-00081871 in like somebody who actually when you vyT3XwmGV3y-00340-00081872-00082096 you know you kind of give them a answer vyT3XwmGV3y-00341-00082097-00082348 about it I want to accomplish more now vyT3XwmGV3y-00342-00082349-00082558 habit wasn't having that many sales vyT3XwmGV3y-00343-00082559-00082813 doesn't thing if you think about that vyT3XwmGV3y-00344-00082814-00083074 today that means 11 million people for vyT3XwmGV3y-00345-00083075-00083269 just this album and I think 50 cents I vyT3XwmGV3y-00346-00083270-00083458 had like 10 million or something and vyT3XwmGV3y-00347-00083459-00083674 then one of the singles was mine and vyT3XwmGV3y-00348-00083675-00083923 that's like more millions on top of that vyT3XwmGV3y-00349-00083924-00084160 you know I mean it's so it's a crazy vyT3XwmGV3y-00350-00084161-00084358 feeling because you can't really you vyT3XwmGV3y-00351-00084359-00084490 can't really do this again so that's why vyT3XwmGV3y-00352-00084491-00084622 I look at a lot of this stuff today and vyT3XwmGV3y-00353-00084623-00084898 a lot of the adding of numbers and you vyT3XwmGV3y-00354-00084899-00085096 know it's not equating for producers and vyT3XwmGV3y-00355-00085097-00085219 I think that they got to look at that vyT3XwmGV3y-00356-00085220-00085459 man like a lot of the B stars because vyT3XwmGV3y-00357-00085460-00085621 that's one thing I want to bring to them vyT3XwmGV3y-00358-00085622-00085858 was like yo listen let's start fighting vyT3XwmGV3y-00359-00085859-00086095 for because without us laying that vyT3XwmGV3y-00360-00086096-00086296 foundation none of this is possible vyT3XwmGV3y-00361-00086297-00086698 right so we got to start fighting for vyT3XwmGV3y-00362-00086699-00086887 our right to have that because listen vyT3XwmGV3y-00363-00086888-00087109 it's possible it's happening it's not vyT3XwmGV3y-00364-00087110-00087265 like this what this is impossible vyT3XwmGV3y-00365-00087266-00087484 it's just equating extremes that they vyT3XwmGV3y-00366-00087485-00087607 don't know how do you don't pay nobody vyT3XwmGV3y-00367-00087608-00087829 yet well all the advertisement money 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you'd be now how would vyT3XwmGV3y-00395-00093923-00094195 you say production and just the world of vyT3XwmGV3y-00396-00094196-00094456 production has changed since back then I vyT3XwmGV3y-00397-00094457-00094657 listened to infinite now and I'm like oh vyT3XwmGV3y-00398-00094658-00094804 wait a minute just went back to being vyT3XwmGV3y-00399-00094805-00095143 simple when I was going the career I had vyT3XwmGV3y-00400-00095144-00095389 to make it more complex I had to make P vyT3XwmGV3y-00401-00095390-00095632 int sound simple I had to make stunt 101 vyT3XwmGV3y-00402-00095633-00095824 sound simple it was technically simple vyT3XwmGV3y-00403-00095825-00096145 but sonically it was a lot of work now vyT3XwmGV3y-00404-00096146-00096385 that getting sounds that we created and vyT3XwmGV3y-00405-00096386-00096589 we actually are creating like I'm vyT3XwmGV3y-00406-00096590-00096736 creating this house for some of these vyT3XwmGV3y-00407-00096737-00097012 software companies so they're getting vyT3XwmGV3y-00408-00097013-00097315 already ready-made sounds so they not vyT3XwmGV3y-00409-00097316-00097441 have to worry about the sonic vyT3XwmGV3y-00410-00097442-00097576 correctness now they could just make vyT3XwmGV3y-00411-00097577-00097768 something that's super simple they don't vyT3XwmGV3y-00412-00097769-00097882 really have to teach it yourself and vyT3XwmGV3y-00413-00097883-00098173 then it's a huge thing because you vyT3XwmGV3y-00414-00098174-00098305 already have most of the work done for vyT3XwmGV3y-00415-00098306-00098626 you I had to do that word right so vyT3XwmGV3y-00416-00098627-00098845 that's one of the differences but vyT3XwmGV3y-00417-00098846-00099040 simplicity is really where it's at right vyT3XwmGV3y-00418-00099041-00099307 now melody as far as the hooks and vyT3XwmGV3y-00419-00099308-00099466 things like that they're really vyT3XwmGV3y-00420-00099467-00099616 important a lot of people not rapping vyT3XwmGV3y-00421-00099617-00099858 it's not hip-hop anymore it's like vyT3XwmGV3y-00422-00099859-00100159 hip-hop is changed in this so I always vyT3XwmGV3y-00423-00100160-00100378 look at it like hip-hop is like think vyT3XwmGV3y-00424-00100379-00100663 about the clothes right so every year is vyT3XwmGV3y-00425-00100664-00100840 a different different style of something vyT3XwmGV3y-00426-00100841-00101074 that come out every so often and like vyT3XwmGV3y-00427-00101075-00101314 baggy jeans was one thing now it's baggy vyT3XwmGV3y-00428-00101315-00101512 t-shirts with dinner now is tight vyT3XwmGV3y-00429-00101513-00101857 everything right so music is the same vyT3XwmGV3y-00430-00101858-00102088 thing they go through changes and you vyT3XwmGV3y-00431-00102089-00102301 know right now it's just as simple they vyT3XwmGV3y-00432-00102302-00102493 don't care too much about a lot of vyT3XwmGV3y-00433-00102494-00102679 changes and a lot of music being vyT3XwmGV3y-00434-00102680-00102975 involved in it because a cavity is not vyT3XwmGV3y-00435-00102976-00103213 you know it's not the forefront of vyT3XwmGV3y-00436-00103214-00103606 everything but simplicity is and feeling vyT3XwmGV3y-00437-00103607-00103993 there's a lot of feel you know just it's vyT3XwmGV3y-00438-00103994-00104157 just I wish that it would change up a vyT3XwmGV3y-00439-00104158-00104343 little make it a little bit more vyT3XwmGV3y-00440-00104344-00104614 interesting I've been listening to vyT3XwmGV3y-00441-00104615-00104818 Travis Scott out of them a lot I like vyT3XwmGV3y-00442-00104819-00105186 the diversity musically I really like vyT3XwmGV3y-00443-00105188-00105580 the diversity in the music and I can vyT3XwmGV3y-00444-00105581-00105949 appreciate like him and very schindler's vyT3XwmGV3y-00445-00105950-00106126 like my firt they like my favorites vyT3XwmGV3y-00446-00106127-00106394 right now right there's a lot of vyT3XwmGV3y-00447-00106395-00106534 I don't know man it's like a lot of the vyT3XwmGV3y-00448-00106535-00106739 same sounds and people ain't just a not vyT3XwmGV3y-00449-00106740-00106994 stepping outside so you know it's hard vyT3XwmGV3y-00450-00106995-00107270 to judge it you know it's hard to really vyT3XwmGV3y-00451-00107271-00107498 judge me I think it's growing constantly vyT3XwmGV3y-00452-00107499-00107768 a spell to ever grow but there's nothing vyT3XwmGV3y-00453-00107769-00107846 I can't do vyT3XwmGV3y-00454-00107847-00108113 so I'm not listening to it like [__] how vyT3XwmGV3y-00455-00108114-00108431 did they do that right I'm not listening vyT3XwmGV3y-00456-00108432-00108923 to it that way so oh I think that's a vyT3XwmGV3y-00457-00108924-00109301 thing to being able to say if you change vyT3XwmGV3y-00458-00109302-00109430 where you can't do it then it's vyT3XwmGV3y-00459-00109431-00109571 difference that's a problem vyT3XwmGV3y-00460-00109572-00109796 but it's not changing to where we can't vyT3XwmGV3y-00461-00109797-00109984 pick up on what happened it's like you vyT3XwmGV3y-00462-00109985-00110129 know what's happening you know how to do vyT3XwmGV3y-00463-00110130-00110308 it I know what they doing it's not a vyT3XwmGV3y-00464-00110309-00110576 secret you know so so speaking of vyT3XwmGV3y-00465-00110577-00110870 secrets back in 2016 I think when you vyT3XwmGV3y-00466-00110871-00111020 and I first had a conversation via vyT3XwmGV3y-00467-00111021-00111235 Twitter right off of the heels of our vyT3XwmGV3y-00468-00111236-00111551 work on layers you tweeted out what's vyT3XwmGV3y-00469-00111552-00111806 beat stars and now here we are in 2018 vyT3XwmGV3y-00470-00111807-00111974 and your partner and would beat stars vyT3XwmGV3y-00471-00111975-00112118 and you're ready to launch an online vyT3XwmGV3y-00472-00112119-00112411 production catalog what what made you vyT3XwmGV3y-00473-00112413-00112592 want to make beats available to the vyT3XwmGV3y-00474-00112593-00112898 public given that you have such a legacy vyT3XwmGV3y-00475-00112899-00113141 in the industry working with legendary vyT3XwmGV3y-00476-00113142-00113335 artists what made you want to make that vyT3XwmGV3y-00477-00113336-00113519 transition because I feel like there's vyT3XwmGV3y-00478-00113520-00113831 no rules anymore and I'm sick of seeing vyT3XwmGV3y-00479-00113832-00114008 so many people that are all high-ass vyT3XwmGV3y-00480-00114008-00114215 forces act like they can't do stuff like vyT3XwmGV3y-00481-00114216-00114251 that vyT3XwmGV3y-00482-00114252-00114497 you know the main it's like I understand vyT3XwmGV3y-00483-00114498-00114716 that you got to like get to a point find vyT3XwmGV3y-00484-00114717-00114938 the next artist that way I don't have vyT3XwmGV3y-00485-00114939-00115103 time to go I'm not going to sit in a vyT3XwmGV3y-00486-00115104-00115433 club and and impart eat a lot can't wake vyT3XwmGV3y-00487-00115433-00115718 up the next day that's not you know it's vyT3XwmGV3y-00488-00115719-00116018 almost I'm not going to the to the new vyT3XwmGV3y-00489-00116019-00116279 studios like I work in my space I like vyT3XwmGV3y-00490-00116280-00116560 my space and I like I like my routine vyT3XwmGV3y-00491-00116561-00116843 right and I like working with new people vyT3XwmGV3y-00492-00116844-00117041 and I think first of all like I had the vyT3XwmGV3y-00493-00117042-00117235 ideal a long time ago when I was putting vyT3XwmGV3y-00494-00117236-00117413 I had up site while I was pushing music vyT3XwmGV3y-00495-00117414-00117776 to you know do my cycle and EMI and all vyT3XwmGV3y-00496-00117777-00117905 the publishing companies was trying to vyT3XwmGV3y-00497-00117906-00118202 shut it down right they was like well vyT3XwmGV3y-00498-00118203-00118403 you can't sell this and you can't do vyT3XwmGV3y-00499-00118404-00118526 this you can't do this and I'm like whoa vyT3XwmGV3y-00500-00118527-00118928 you work for me though right so that's vyT3XwmGV3y-00501-00118929-00119051 the case why aren't you going to get vyT3XwmGV3y-00502-00119052-00119204 that money from all these kids just vyT3XwmGV3y-00503-00119205-00119444 buying the music you know since I vyT3XwmGV3y-00504-00119445-00119633 realize how much of a rules it was it vyT3XwmGV3y-00505-00119633-00119761 was like they collect vyT3XwmGV3y-00506-00119763-00120065 but they don't work for you you don't vyT3XwmGV3y-00507-00120066-00120272 bring me anything you'll do and so once vyT3XwmGV3y-00508-00120273-00120446 I got tired and I was like to see beat vyT3XwmGV3y-00509-00120447-00120608 stars doing it in this working the way vyT3XwmGV3y-00510-00120608-00120872 it's working man look it's the future to vyT3XwmGV3y-00511-00120873-00121186 me everybody can't get on the plane to vyT3XwmGV3y-00512-00121188-00121268 come to Detroit vyT3XwmGV3y-00513-00121269-00121496 you know everybody can't get on the vyT3XwmGV3y-00514-00121497-00121643 plane to come to where you are and you vyT3XwmGV3y-00515-00121644-00121871 think it's your music you know I mean vyT3XwmGV3y-00516-00121872-00122213 like you have the sound that the I love vyT3XwmGV3y-00517-00122214-00122447 you know them says oh I know how to get vyT3XwmGV3y-00518-00122448-00122588 in contact with you everybody might not vyT3XwmGV3y-00519-00122589-00122888 know that right like so I want to make vyT3XwmGV3y-00520-00122889-00123211 that available I'm not I can have every vyT3XwmGV3y-00521-00123213-00123557 diamond record in a workout and still vyT3XwmGV3y-00522-00123558-00123848 feel disconnected so I don't want to vyT3XwmGV3y-00523-00123849-00124058 feel disconnected from the culture I vyT3XwmGV3y-00524-00124058-00124336 want to like you know I feel like vyT3XwmGV3y-00525-00124338-00124568 everybody should be doing that everybody vyT3XwmGV3y-00526-00124569-00124684 should be doing it because that's how vyT3XwmGV3y-00527-00124685-00124820 you find the next person that's how you vyT3XwmGV3y-00528-00124821-00124997 bridge the gap I don't want these vyT3XwmGV3y-00529-00124998-00125209 producers or artists to ever feel like I vyT3XwmGV3y-00530-00125210-00125516 didn't how I got you know I'm he and him vyT3XwmGV3y-00531-00125517-00125690 he owned his he on his Island and you vyT3XwmGV3y-00532-00125691-00125884 know really you know really [__] with us vyT3XwmGV3y-00533-00125885-00126121 like that I don't want you to do that so vyT3XwmGV3y-00534-00126122-00126539 this to me there's a dope way to work vyT3XwmGV3y-00535-00126540-00126680 with new artists that I don't even know vyT3XwmGV3y-00536-00126681-00126797 I would love to hear some [__] of mine vyT3XwmGV3y-00537-00126798-00127249 or it's like oh that's a good buzz right vyT3XwmGV3y-00538-00127250-00127892 like that's cool that's cool so it vyT3XwmGV3y-00539-00127893-00128066 sometimes may not like work with people vyT3XwmGV3y-00540-00128067-00128318 this guy that's already on they already vyT3XwmGV3y-00541-00128319-00128471 have a because they already have a pre vyT3XwmGV3y-00542-00128472-00128611 they all you have like this attitude vyT3XwmGV3y-00543-00128613-00129128 like you know like they they know what vyT3XwmGV3y-00544-00129129-00129248 they doing and they haven't done a thing vyT3XwmGV3y-00545-00129249-00129508 yet you know sometimes you know what I vyT3XwmGV3y-00546-00129509-00129661 really deal with that sometimes you want vyT3XwmGV3y-00547-00129663-00129851 to deal with the people that are really vyT3XwmGV3y-00548-00129852-00130111 trying to make it may ideas are a lot vyT3XwmGV3y-00549-00130113-00130274 better because they don't they don't vyT3XwmGV3y-00550-00130275-00130433 have no rules so I wanted to work with vyT3XwmGV3y-00551-00130433-00130730 people like that and this was a great vyT3XwmGV3y-00552-00130731-00130970 way to do these dogs great literally I'm vyT3XwmGV3y-00553-00130971-00131150 glad you mentioned that vyT3XwmGV3y-00554-00131151-00131342 you know my situation so you were signed vyT3XwmGV3y-00555-00131343-00131597 in here my publishing I was trying to vyT3XwmGV3y-00556-00131598-00131756 hit my post and they they got bought out vyT3XwmGV3y-00557-00131757-00131936 by Sony vyT3XwmGV3y-00558-00131937-00132257 I was in a serious serious serious deal vyT3XwmGV3y-00559-00132258-00132461 because yeah I think I saw probably vyT3XwmGV3y-00560-00132462-00132632 eight million records just as an artist vyT3XwmGV3y-00561-00132633-00132881 in my in my group having all the records vyT3XwmGV3y-00562-00132882-00133067 is like there was and I was holding up a vyT3XwmGV3y-00563-00133068-00133235 lot of the deal like I was the reason a vyT3XwmGV3y-00564-00133236-00133394 lot of that was moving because I was vyT3XwmGV3y-00565-00133395-00133562 producing and or not without staying vyT3XwmGV3y-00566-00133563-00133772 they held me in a real [__] up there vyT3XwmGV3y-00567-00133773-00134117 for a long time and thankfully actually vyT3XwmGV3y-00568-00134118-00134585 rich Christina was in the people my team vyT3XwmGV3y-00569-00134586-00135164 like my management my lawyer Lisa man vyT3XwmGV3y-00570-00135165-00135359 she really worked her ass off to get me vyT3XwmGV3y-00571-00135360-00135467 out of that situation vyT3XwmGV3y-00572-00135468-00135761 I mean she changing so if it wouldn't vyT3XwmGV3y-00573-00135762-00135968 work you know but they but but the years vyT3XwmGV3y-00574-00135969-00136109 before that I had to go through that I vyT3XwmGV3y-00575-00136110-00136226 did bad meets evil vyT3XwmGV3y-00576-00136227-00136433 I bought that tool I bought it to the vyT3XwmGV3y-00577-00136434-00136760 big John before he left there it was vyT3XwmGV3y-00578-00136761-00137075 like you know I got this album I did 60% vyT3XwmGV3y-00579-00137076-00137327 kids you know produce 60% of it vyT3XwmGV3y-00580-00137328-00137621 purposely right like I just put my hair vyT3XwmGV3y-00581-00137622-00138050 down and kept going and I bought as old vyT3XwmGV3y-00582-00138051-00138095 as I look vyT3XwmGV3y-00583-00138096-00138257 I need to get out of this situation I vyT3XwmGV3y-00584-00138258-00138452 should be in this totally different vyT3XwmGV3y-00585-00138453-00139238 thing and he left after that and you vyT3XwmGV3y-00586-00139239-00139469 know we today that when I tell that vyT3XwmGV3y-00587-00139470-00139643 story but it it was an uphill battle man vyT3XwmGV3y-00588-00139644-00139957 and I had to realize that those people vyT3XwmGV3y-00589-00139958-00140201 they just move on to who hot they don't vyT3XwmGV3y-00590-00140202-00140393 care what she doing he's whoever's hot vyT3XwmGV3y-00591-00140394-00140531 at the moment that's what's happening vyT3XwmGV3y-00592-00140532-00140816 and I'm doing whole albums and they so vyT3XwmGV3y-00593-00140817-00141083 used to me being in that situation that vyT3XwmGV3y-00594-00141084-00141209 they thought it was they thought I was vyT3XwmGV3y-00595-00141210-00141497 okay with it I'm not I never I never had vyT3XwmGV3y-00596-00141498-00141640 to recoup anything because I was always vyT3XwmGV3y-00597-00141641-00142037 cool I was make just sitting there vyT3XwmGV3y-00598-00142038-00142211 making money and they was getting a huge vyT3XwmGV3y-00599-00142212-00142406 percentage of it because of the deal vyT3XwmGV3y-00600-00142407-00142577 that they had me and since I was you vyT3XwmGV3y-00601-00142578-00143021 know younger right so when I started vyT3XwmGV3y-00602-00143022-00143180 doing the beats like I just wanted to vyT3XwmGV3y-00603-00143181-00143399 work with some new people I got tired vyT3XwmGV3y-00604-00143400-00143648 the industry cool I was like man I can vyT3XwmGV3y-00605-00143649-00143843 go work with the people that I like but vyT3XwmGV3y-00606-00143844-00144185 I mean how hard is it to me to work with vyT3XwmGV3y-00607-00144186-00144386 big people when I got when I helped vyT3XwmGV3y-00608-00144387-00144766 build one of the biggest artists today vyT3XwmGV3y-00609-00144767-00144991 you know so it's not like that I have vyT3XwmGV3y-00610-00144992-00145399 then I got Ruiz who's like the next best vyT3XwmGV3y-00611-00145400-00145630 thing like no I can now trap that dude vyT3XwmGV3y-00612-00145631-00145864 it's like I got the absolute best I vyT3XwmGV3y-00613-00145865-00146035 don't care what people say so I work vyT3XwmGV3y-00614-00146036-00146191 with the absolute best so we don't make vyT3XwmGV3y-00615-00146192-00146338 no sense for me to go out here running vyT3XwmGV3y-00616-00146339-00146494 around chasing their luck that's how to vyT3XwmGV3y-00617-00146495-00146698 change that I was like man I'm not vyT3XwmGV3y-00618-00146699-00146851 running around chasing everything I love vyT3XwmGV3y-00619-00146852-00147076 to change that's not dude like however vyT3XwmGV3y-00620-00147077-00147265 to trans any day well he was like yo man vyT3XwmGV3y-00621-00147266-00147526 you still doing this like yeah but I got 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situation I mentioned to him that Street vyT3XwmGV3y-00636-00151295-00151603 runner said after his negative vyT3XwmGV3y-00637-00151604-00151762 experience with the publisher that he vyT3XwmGV3y-00638-00151763-00151912 would never sign another co publishing vyT3XwmGV3y-00639-00151913-00152119 deal and then I brought that up to Jay vyT3XwmGV3y-00640-00152120-00152320 Reid I said are you decide to a vyT3XwmGV3y-00641-00152321-00152524 publisher immediately he said no and I'm vyT3XwmGV3y-00642-00152525-00153064 not trying to so I was oh yeah he said vyT3XwmGV3y-00643-00153065-00153253 no he said he's been approached but he's vyT3XwmGV3y-00644-00153254-00153472 just he's focused on figuring out how to vyT3XwmGV3y-00645-00153473-00153796 be his own admin so yeah that's a tough vyT3XwmGV3y-00646-00153797-00153979 game you could use it for administration vyT3XwmGV3y-00647-00153980-00154189 but they need to read they need to vyT3XwmGV3y-00648-00154190-00154489 reform the instruction if anything I'll vyT3XwmGV3y-00649-00154490-00154762 tell you this at a certain point I'm vyT3XwmGV3y-00650-00154763-00155020 gonna move into an executive seat write vyT3XwmGV3y-00651-00155021-00155233 anything I feel like I want to do in vyT3XwmGV3y-00652-00155234-00155383 this business I feel like I'm able to do vyT3XwmGV3y-00653-00155384-00155545 because I learned every aspect of you vyT3XwmGV3y-00654-00155546-00155821 right I've dabbled with the idea of vyT3XwmGV3y-00655-00155822-00156048 working in publishing but I will work vyT3XwmGV3y-00656-00156049-00156322 with them to show them how to connect to vyT3XwmGV3y-00657-00156323-00156535 some of these producers they don't even vyT3XwmGV3y-00658-00156536-00156829 know how to play the game right because vyT3XwmGV3y-00659-00156830-00156964 you've got a whole bunch of people just vyT3XwmGV3y-00660-00156965-00157270 like they just fans in the music and vyT3XwmGV3y-00661-00157271-00157444 they can tell you everything about down 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hot thing then it stops right vyT3XwmGV3y-00676-00161159-00161401 then it's the next person but it's only vyT3XwmGV3y-00677-00161402-00161539 because they got this song that they vyT3XwmGV3y-00678-00161540-00161713 produced with somebody they Wine and vyT3XwmGV3y-00679-00161714-00162015 Dine that artists that producer and vyT3XwmGV3y-00680-00162016-00162181 they'll sell old [__] they don't tell vyT3XwmGV3y-00681-00162182-00162301 them what goddamn thing vyT3XwmGV3y-00682-00162302-00162472 they don't give him no kind of knowledge vyT3XwmGV3y-00683-00162473-00162690 that'll help him go further right he's vyT3XwmGV3y-00684-00162691-00162891 just a name he got a million kids vyT3XwmGV3y-00685-00162892-00163099 that'll buy his music because he vyT3XwmGV3y-00686-00163100-00163282 produced a song for Drake or he produced vyT3XwmGV3y-00687-00163283-00163420 a song for and then what he produces vyT3XwmGV3y-00688-00163421-00163806 often whoever Travis got worried and vyT3XwmGV3y-00689-00163807-00164146 that's what happened I don't think it vyT3XwmGV3y-00690-00164147-00164502 should go like that those same art is no vyT3XwmGV3y-00691-00164503-00164851 same producers have plenty of ideas of vyT3XwmGV3y-00692-00164852-00164986 how to market them and they alway vyT3XwmGV3y-00693-00164987-00165139 producers are just as important as vyT3XwmGV3y-00694-00165140-00165334 artists I think you just got to be vyT3XwmGV3y-00695-00165335-00165547 creative with how it works you know how vyT3XwmGV3y-00696-00165548-00165736 do you want to work in this business and vyT3XwmGV3y-00697-00165737-00166036 I think publishing companies just gotta vyT3XwmGV3y-00698-00166037-00166254 change they structure it's time anybody vyT3XwmGV3y-00699-00166255-00166447 else changing okay speaking of vyT3XwmGV3y-00700-00166448-00166639 structural change in the music industry vyT3XwmGV3y-00701-00166640-00166795 I think this is an interesting nexus of vyT3XwmGV3y-00702-00166796-00167137 ideas that that we both have and talking vyT3XwmGV3y-00703-00167138-00167311 to a lot of internet producers you know vyT3XwmGV3y-00704-00167312-00167521 there used to be this this line in the vyT3XwmGV3y-00705-00167522-00167851 sand Ron and between internet producers vyT3XwmGV3y-00706-00167852-00168022 industry producers I feel like the waves vyT3XwmGV3y-00707-00168023-00168268 that have watched a lot of that that vyT3XwmGV3y-00708-00168269-00168516 line away but what I've noticed in vyT3XwmGV3y-00709-00168517-00168736 talking to producers who have made their vyT3XwmGV3y-00710-00168737-00169128 their brands on the internet before you vyT3XwmGV3y-00711-00169129-00169363 know the traditional capital I industry vyT3XwmGV3y-00712-00169364-00169602 once they get into the placement game vyT3XwmGV3y-00713-00169603-00169849 they're used to making you know the top vyT3XwmGV3y-00714-00169850-00170103 sellers they're used to making ten to vyT3XwmGV3y-00715-00170104-00170277 fifteen thousand off a beat that they vyT3XwmGV3y-00716-00170278-00170518 upload to YouTube right and so when it vyT3XwmGV3y-00717-00170519-00170776 comes without giving up their copyright vyT3XwmGV3y-00718-00170777-00170974 without giving up their masters without vyT3XwmGV3y-00719-00170975-00171259 compromising its their brand and so when vyT3XwmGV3y-00720-00171260-00171414 they enter into an agreement with a vyT3XwmGV3y-00721-00171415-00171520 label suddenly vyT3XwmGV3y-00722-00171521-00171649 faced with a contract that's vyT3XwmGV3y-00723-00171650-00171943 work-for-hire sometimes sometimes there vyT3XwmGV3y-00724-00171944-00172219 are these other sacrifices they have to vyT3XwmGV3y-00725-00172220-00172345 make just to get that placement and vyT3XwmGV3y-00726-00172346-00172612 they're resistant to it so having seen vyT3XwmGV3y-00727-00172613-00172788 all that you've seen it and especially vyT3XwmGV3y-00728-00172789-00173040 now that that you're on both sides of vyT3XwmGV3y-00729-00173041-00173388 that line do you think that the the vyT3XwmGV3y-00730-00173389-00173589 practices of the industry are going to vyT3XwmGV3y-00731-00173590-00173838 change because of this new internet vyT3XwmGV3y-00732-00173839-00174078 landscape it better or they gonna just vyT3XwmGV3y-00733-00174079-00174361 lose money they just slow they do vyT3XwmGV3y-00734-00174362-00174526 everything after the fact you know when vyT3XwmGV3y-00735-00174527-00174658 they finally do something then that vyT3XwmGV3y-00736-00174659-00174823 becomes a wave and it's important for vyT3XwmGV3y-00737-00174824-00175006 people to be a part of a label and and vyT3XwmGV3y-00738-00175007-00175164 they go back to doing the regular [__] vyT3XwmGV3y-00739-00175165-00175549 the wrong way and then they need people vyT3XwmGV3y-00740-00175550-00176016 like us here's the thing I like somebody vyT3XwmGV3y-00741-00176017-00176214 like people are respect like people like vyT3XwmGV3y-00742-00176215-00176651 Steven Victor right I met him on tour vyT3XwmGV3y-00743-00176652-00177049 recently and my questions to him more vyT3XwmGV3y-00744-00177050-00177151 like you know how do you make the vyT3XwmGV3y-00745-00177152-00177346 transition from this to this vyT3XwmGV3y-00746-00177347-00177574 that's all I want to know is how do you vyT3XwmGV3y-00747-00177575-00177724 make this train how did you make this vyT3XwmGV3y-00748-00177725-00177937 transition from the adovada I need to vyT3XwmGV3y-00749-00177938-00178113 pick a brain every once in a while right vyT3XwmGV3y-00750-00178114-00178345 like Steve's thought I respect people vyT3XwmGV3y-00751-00178346-00178645 like that you know or should a Drake vyT3XwmGV3y-00752-00178646-00178933 like right if they don't change label vyT3XwmGV3y-00753-00178934-00179091 don't change like normally what they do vyT3XwmGV3y-00754-00179092-00179287 is they watch watch watch and then a vyT3XwmGV3y-00755-00179288-00179500 wave hit and Danny like oh we surfing vyT3XwmGV3y-00756-00179501-00179770 here we go we surf from which and they vyT3XwmGV3y-00757-00179771-00180031 act like they watch you and then once vyT3XwmGV3y-00758-00180032-00180160 they figure out how they making the vyT3XwmGV3y-00759-00180161-00180315 money then they stay on that way but so vyT3XwmGV3y-00760-00180316-00180504 that way if you're low on to you figure vyT3XwmGV3y-00761-00180505-00180726 out the artist or the producer figure vyT3XwmGV3y-00762-00180727-00180903 out what's the next thing I say that any vyT3XwmGV3y-00763-00180904-00181048 of those producers like you know people vyT3XwmGV3y-00764-00181049-00181225 was mad at the type producers like oh vyT3XwmGV3y-00765-00181226-00181360 tight beat producers vyT3XwmGV3y-00766-00181361-00181788 I love go ahead go right in because they vyT3XwmGV3y-00767-00181789-00181914 figured out a way to market they sell vyT3XwmGV3y-00768-00181915-00182356 without nobody I'm with them I don't vyT3XwmGV3y-00769-00182357-00182604 care nothing about how only use this vyT3XwmGV3y-00770-00182605-00182863 drum machine or use the shut up don't vyT3XwmGV3y-00771-00182864-00183129 care they doing something you ain't vyT3XwmGV3y-00772-00183130-00183346 doing and you should be the only thing I vyT3XwmGV3y-00773-00183347-00183535 want to do is school and show them like vyT3XwmGV3y-00774-00183536-00183701 yo this how you take it further vyT3XwmGV3y-00775-00183702-00184012 right that's all I don't want to do oh I vyT3XwmGV3y-00776-00184013-00184238 don't got no problem with a boss vyT3XwmGV3y-00777-00184239-00184556 I have million at all ash actually the vyT3XwmGV3y-00778-00184557-00184838 craziest part is I have some other ideas vyT3XwmGV3y-00779-00184839-00185069 my own self of highly even to take that vyT3XwmGV3y-00780-00185070-00185210 further and I'm just going cuz I'm vyT3XwmGV3y-00781-00185211-00185369 watching them and say like okay that's vyT3XwmGV3y-00782-00185370-00185527 cool I'm gonna do this let me do this no vyT3XwmGV3y-00783-00185528-00185791 I got other ideas for me I love them do vyT3XwmGV3y-00784-00185792-00185977 any of them can reach out to me any day vyT3XwmGV3y-00785-00185978-00186248 in you know dudes because I want to be vyT3XwmGV3y-00786-00186249-00186395 able to talk to them so I can understand vyT3XwmGV3y-00787-00186396-00186569 I understand the business more than a vyT3XwmGV3y-00788-00186570-00186761 label would because I'm not afraid of vyT3XwmGV3y-00789-00186762-00186809 them vyT3XwmGV3y-00790-00186810-00186995 I'm not afraid of their change I'm not vyT3XwmGV3y-00791-00186996-00187184 gonna tell them just because this would vyT3XwmGV3y-00792-00187185-00187414 I don't like a person let's say go to vyT3XwmGV3y-00793-00187415-00187638 jail right one of the homies go to jail vyT3XwmGV3y-00794-00187639-00187891 you read a whole bunch of books he get vyT3XwmGV3y-00795-00187892-00188077 out he damned to get mad at you if you vyT3XwmGV3y-00796-00188078-00188296 ain't doing the same [__] he doing all vyT3XwmGV3y-00797-00188297-00188519 man you should be this you should be vyT3XwmGV3y-00798-00188520-00188701 this and you should be doing this and vyT3XwmGV3y-00799-00188702-00188854 you should be doing this is because vyT3XwmGV3y-00800-00188855-00189013 sometimes they get that knowledge and it vyT3XwmGV3y-00801-00189014-00189229 go today hey cuz you're supposed to go vyT3XwmGV3y-00802-00189230-00189374 to your hair but you ain't posed to vyT3XwmGV3y-00803-00189375-00189608 force their knowledge on nobody just vyT3XwmGV3y-00804-00189609-00189800 because I have experience I ain't what's vyT3XwmGV3y-00805-00189801-00190039 my experience on people I've done the vyT3XwmGV3y-00806-00190040-00190315 force of them those type producers all vyT3XwmGV3y-00807-00190316-00190654 of them love them or love them all man vyT3XwmGV3y-00808-00190655-00190895 like cuz they actually changed in the vyT3XwmGV3y-00809-00190896-00191045 industry it ain't the industry that's vyT3XwmGV3y-00810-00191046-00191270 changing it it's done it's them vyT3XwmGV3y-00811-00191271-00191408 and the artists that are [__] that vyT3XwmGV3y-00812-00191409-00191624 they music they can now they can work vyT3XwmGV3y-00813-00191625-00192023 better together I'll tell you that one vyT3XwmGV3y-00814-00192024-00192137 piece of advice I would give them vyT3XwmGV3y-00815-00192138-00192301 there's stop just going straight to a vyT3XwmGV3y-00816-00192302-00192461 label so make sure you talk to that vyT3XwmGV3y-00817-00192462-00192640 artist like yo I'm gonna make sure I got vyT3XwmGV3y-00818-00192641-00192821 my 50% as far as a producer on once vyT3XwmGV3y-00819-00192822-00193007 you're giving it away idea hook you up vyT3XwmGV3y-00820-00193008-00193211 we got some kind of thing wrong we vyT3XwmGV3y-00821-00193212-00193349 obviously got a chemistry I got more vyT3XwmGV3y-00822-00193350-00193556 music they build something and instead vyT3XwmGV3y-00823-00193557-00193700 of the bullets or labels and leaving vyT3XwmGV3y-00824-00193701-00193862 those producers build a relationship vyT3XwmGV3y-00825-00193863-00194111 with them and then but we never say not vyT3XwmGV3y-00826-00194112-00194439 we're going to license you our music vyT3XwmGV3y-00827-00194440-00194704 will license it to you so you can vyT3XwmGV3y-00828-00194705-00194897 distribute it that way through your vyT3XwmGV3y-00829-00194898-00195170 platforms but we we still on it you want vyT3XwmGV3y-00830-00195171-00195350 to get this amount and this is neck but vyT3XwmGV3y-00831-00195351-00195506 if the artists and the producer did that vyT3XwmGV3y-00832-00195507-00195671 game will change vyT3XwmGV3y-00833-00195672-00195875 Spotify will have to pay I chose that to vyT3XwmGV3y-00834-00195876-00196010 pay all these people have to pay you a vyT3XwmGV3y-00835-00196011-00196244 totally different way because it's not vyT3XwmGV3y-00836-00196245-00196504 saying well this will day mentality on vyT3XwmGV3y-00837-00196505-00196745 the tight deep producer I got a little vyT3XwmGV3y-00838-00196746-00197077 way know who else use my feet man it's vyT3XwmGV3y-00839-00197078-00197249 an opportunity of a lifetime I want to vyT3XwmGV3y-00840-00197250-00197463 miss it vyT3XwmGV3y-00841-00197464-00197692 right so they all want to miss an vyT3XwmGV3y-00842-00197693-00198064 opportunity or be like so they take vyT3XwmGV3y-00843-00198065-00198138 whatever come vyT3XwmGV3y-00844-00198139-00198376 that's what do you make the mistake you vyT3XwmGV3y-00845-00198377-00198633 don't have to the song is already a hit vyT3XwmGV3y-00846-00198634-00198892 at that point be like nah [__] you give vyT3XwmGV3y-00847-00198893-00199171 me three notes and now I'm not paying vyT3XwmGV3y-00848-00199172-00199324 you back I'm making it anyway it's mine vyT3XwmGV3y-00849-00199325-00199615 as a matter of fact I give me a minute vyT3XwmGV3y-00850-00199616-00199945 I'll let you license my [__] I license vyT3XwmGV3y-00851-00199946-00200128 it to you for this amount of money you vyT3XwmGV3y-00852-00200129-00200437 already got the power that's what I vyT3XwmGV3y-00853-00200438-00200668 would tell them if I was one of them vyT3XwmGV3y-00854-00200669-00200797 kids right now coming over there that's vyT3XwmGV3y-00855-00200798-00201073 how I will play no sorry yeah I'll meet vyT3XwmGV3y-00856-00201074-00201577 you you don't need them at all you don't vyT3XwmGV3y-00857-00201578-00201766 need nobody they already got a user vyT3XwmGV3y-00858-00201767-00201946 platform because if they don't play your vyT3XwmGV3y-00859-00201947-00202165 song everybody home you looking for vyT3XwmGV3y-00860-00202166-00202261 where it's heading you know what's not vyT3XwmGV3y-00861-00202262-00202402 happening then there's gonna be another vyT3XwmGV3y-00862-00202403-00202531 person to come up with a streaming vyT3XwmGV3y-00863-00202532-00203238 service by jay-z and Sena or whoever and vyT3XwmGV3y-00864-00203239-00203437 it'll be somebody else and then that vyT3XwmGV3y-00865-00203438-00203611 company will become the next streaming vyT3XwmGV3y-00866-00203612-00203737 service that's how it works vyT3XwmGV3y-00867-00203738-00203904 yeah I'm noticing that a lot of artists vyT3XwmGV3y-00868-00203905-00204040 are taking that route where they're vyT3XwmGV3y-00869-00204041-00204187 circumventing the labels and just vyT3XwmGV3y-00870-00204188-00204358 signing some kind of situation with a vyT3XwmGV3y-00871-00204359-00204610 streaming service the streaming service vyT3XwmGV3y-00872-00204611-00204901 in turn gives them extra publicity and vyT3XwmGV3y-00873-00204902-00205065 marketing because they have the built-in vyT3XwmGV3y-00874-00205066-00205219 audience and it's everything is vyT3XwmGV3y-00875-00205219-00205453 monetized so you give them the vyT3XwmGV3y-00876-00205454-00205651 exclusivity to that record and suddenly vyT3XwmGV3y-00877-00205652-00205794 you and everybody involved in that vyT3XwmGV3y-00878-00205796-00206061 project is splitting the profits from 5 vyT3XwmGV3y-00879-00206062-00206248 million streams and think about it vyT3XwmGV3y-00880-00206248-00206616 that's way better than making what a vyT3XwmGV3y-00881-00206617-00206766 good woman listening how many streams vyT3XwmGV3y-00882-00206767-00206946 and some people begin to check for vyT3XwmGV3y-00883-00206948-00207198 $8,000 maybe having bazillion gazillion vyT3XwmGV3y-00884-00207200-00207553 strains it's like what how mister that's vyT3XwmGV3y-00885-00207554-00207976 a rules bro so you know they should they vyT3XwmGV3y-00886-00207977-00208219 should be smart I think those type beat vyT3XwmGV3y-00887-00208219-00208411 producers those artists that kind of go vyT3XwmGV3y-00888-00208412-00208563 to those though I don't care about going vyT3XwmGV3y-00889-00208564-00208713 if you want to go to studio where you vyT3XwmGV3y-00890-00208714-00208834 gotta go on to do it it's actually a vyT3XwmGV3y-00891-00208835-00208978 learning experience and it's a great vyT3XwmGV3y-00892-00208979-00209269 experience because I'm but records ain't vyT3XwmGV3y-00893-00209269-00209383 even taking that long we not even vyT3XwmGV3y-00894-00209384-00209626 consider a second listen we did Kamikaze vyT3XwmGV3y-00895-00209627-00210309 was done in four months instead it vyT3XwmGV3y-00896-00210310-00210655 started the minute the first song on an vyT3XwmGV3y-00897-00210656-00210735 album the ring vyT3XwmGV3y-00898-00210736-00210964 was the very first song recorded for vyT3XwmGV3y-00899-00210965-00211039 that album vyT3XwmGV3y-00900-00211040-00211403 well maybe second but first technically vyT3XwmGV3y-00901-00211404-00211792 right and he did that record just going vyT3XwmGV3y-00902-00211792-00212051 going going going : vyT3XwmGV3y-00903-00212052-00212314 do not tell anybody album come on Mike vyT3XwmGV3y-00904-00212315-00212544 here you already you so it don't matter vyT3XwmGV3y-00905-00212546-00212823 just put it out I was like will we tell vyT3XwmGV3y-00906-00212824-00213027 what do you need to announce it for your vyT3XwmGV3y-00907-00213028-00213412 you this the new way and now his vyT3XwmGV3y-00908-00213413-00213616 mentality as I put it off every four vyT3XwmGV3y-00909-00213617-00213948 months if I wanted to you know cuz you vyT3XwmGV3y-00910-00213949-00214233 see how it works and sometimes you just vyT3XwmGV3y-00911-00214234-00214441 gotta step out there and do it but don't vyT3XwmGV3y-00912-00214442-00214632 nobody care that don't my take that long vyT3XwmGV3y-00913-00214633-00214908 no more well I need to take well so I vyT3XwmGV3y-00914-00214909-00215169 like the fact that these guys can come vyT3XwmGV3y-00915-00215171-00215314 up with something in a hit called the vyT3XwmGV3y-00916-00215315-00215550 song will be a hit song now the content vyT3XwmGV3y-00917-00215551-00215832 in itself producers gotta start caring vyT3XwmGV3y-00918-00215833-00216037 more about they [__] cuz you don't want vyT3XwmGV3y-00919-00216038-00216381 to be the guy that's like all I produced vyT3XwmGV3y-00920-00216382-00216603 this song is to Huson but is known for a vyT3XwmGV3y-00921-00216604-00216885 huge negative thing right let's say the vyT3XwmGV3y-00922-00216886-00217101 person is a super negative person right vyT3XwmGV3y-00923-00217102-00217308 and they always doing something now you vyT3XwmGV3y-00924-00217309-00217663 tied to that as a producer now you can't vyT3XwmGV3y-00925-00217664-00217878 you will look like well I produced this vyT3XwmGV3y-00926-00217879-00218146 person so you know start caring about vyT3XwmGV3y-00927-00218146-00218290 what they caught what they talking about vyT3XwmGV3y-00928-00218291-00218499 you know don't take every little thing vyT3XwmGV3y-00929-00218500-00218638 once you get a little bit of a name I vyT3XwmGV3y-00930-00218639-00218887 think if they do if you land a couple vyT3XwmGV3y-00931-00218888-00219051 joints if you land if somebody is vyT3XwmGV3y-00932-00219052-00219417 landing a couple joints at least I would vyT3XwmGV3y-00933-00219419-00219562 say just don't kick no don't let vyT3XwmGV3y-00934-00219563-00219712 everybody just wrap on your [__] at that vyT3XwmGV3y-00935-00219713-00220077 point you know be more selective okay so vyT3XwmGV3y-00936-00220078-00220428 so speaking of being selective and vyT3XwmGV3y-00937-00220429-00220771 releasing music I heard in this email vyT3XwmGV3y-00938-00220771-00220980 chain that that led up to this vyT3XwmGV3y-00939-00220981-00221169 conversation we're having now that that vyT3XwmGV3y-00940-00221171-00221392 you are working on a new is it a project vyT3XwmGV3y-00941-00221392-00221598 is that album a solo project it's a it's vyT3XwmGV3y-00942-00221599-00221835 a solo project yeah and it's gonna be vyT3XwmGV3y-00943-00221836-00222046 different than any solo project because vyT3XwmGV3y-00944-00222046-00222204 it's like sometimes a little rap vyT3XwmGV3y-00945-00222205-00222381 sometimes I'm saying sometimes I'm just vyT3XwmGV3y-00946-00222382-00222507 producing this all like whatever vyT3XwmGV3y-00947-00222508-00222828 happened happening it's not old it's not vyT3XwmGV3y-00948-00222829-00223029 all the way I ain't got like three verse vyT3XwmGV3y-00949-00223030-00223242 songs like all that [__] like it's a vyT3XwmGV3y-00950-00223244-00223497 whole different music experience it's vyT3XwmGV3y-00951-00223498-00223731 almost like a mixtape of a different vyT3XwmGV3y-00952-00223732-00223929 person but it's the same person in it vyT3XwmGV3y-00953-00223930-00224073 just it's a whole vyT3XwmGV3y-00954-00224075-00224323 it's a different way to do albums and I vyT3XwmGV3y-00955-00224323-00224602 don't care I'm just [__] doing it out vyT3XwmGV3y-00956-00224603-00224980 here cuz at this point I harbor more vyT3XwmGV3y-00957-00224981-00225208 music than anything because you know you vyT3XwmGV3y-00958-00225209-00225448 listen to people and they like you know vyT3XwmGV3y-00959-00225448-00225594 you put out a record man like you know vyT3XwmGV3y-00960-00225596-00225748 you put us all God and people be like aw vyT3XwmGV3y-00961-00225748-00226071 didn't like that beat it's like you may vyT3XwmGV3y-00962-00226073-00226198 never made a beat in your life how do vyT3XwmGV3y-00963-00226198-00226381 you like you know I'm saying like they vyT3XwmGV3y-00964-00226382-00226594 didn't katikut like all this mix don't vyT3XwmGV3y-00965-00226594-00226780 sound right like what what are you vyT3XwmGV3y-00966-00226781-00226888 talking about and they don't know what vyT3XwmGV3y-00967-00226889-00226971 you're talking about vyT3XwmGV3y-00968-00226973-00227140 and they never made a beating you gotta vyT3XwmGV3y-00969-00227141-00227353 hear this it's almost like walking vyT3XwmGV3y-00970-00227354-00227846 through walking through art exhibits or vyT3XwmGV3y-00971-00227848-00228094 walking through let's say uh you know vyT3XwmGV3y-00972-00228094-00228283 like when the city have they have able vyT3XwmGV3y-00973-00228284-00228533 to exhibit and people display my art a vyT3XwmGV3y-00974-00228534-00228853 million people walk by they [__] but vyT3XwmGV3y-00975-00228854-00229017 that one person that buy something makes vyT3XwmGV3y-00976-00229019-00229221 super thankful for that person because vyT3XwmGV3y-00977-00229223-00229363 the million people might even go look at vyT3XwmGV3y-00978-00229364-00229507 this payment do like oh this is scary vyT3XwmGV3y-00979-00229508-00229687 look and they say it out loud or just vyT3XwmGV3y-00980-00229688-00230029 sitting right there right so we think we vyT3XwmGV3y-00981-00230030-00230248 got a bad from comments just imagine vyT3XwmGV3y-00982-00230248-00230431 those artists that got to sit there in a vyT3XwmGV3y-00983-00230432-00230716 booth in selling [__] right so it makes vyT3XwmGV3y-00984-00230717-00230985 me a little complex for a very long time vyT3XwmGV3y-00985-00230986-00231282 I think after proof because I was vyT3XwmGV3y-00986-00231283-00231507 working on an album when you got that I vyT3XwmGV3y-00987-00231508-00231775 was actually about to put out on a major vyT3XwmGV3y-00988-00231776-00232110 situation and all of that changed cuz I vyT3XwmGV3y-00989-00232111-00232317 was like man my [__] that I'm straight I vyT3XwmGV3y-00990-00232319-00232678 was over so right now what I have is vyT3XwmGV3y-00991-00232679-00233067 just I'm happy with it it's fun and it's vyT3XwmGV3y-00992-00233069-00233409 serious and I'm talking I'm talking my vyT3XwmGV3y-00993-00233410-00233644 [__] but I'm doing what I want to do and vyT3XwmGV3y-00994-00233644-00233835 so this project is gonna you're vyT3XwmGV3y-00995-00233836-00234009 releasing it yourself or you haven't vyT3XwmGV3y-00996-00234010-00234205 even gotten to that point you just focus vyT3XwmGV3y-00997-00234206-00234463 on the creative process I know they're vyT3XwmGV3y-00998-00234464-00234655 not gonna release it now when I release vyT3XwmGV3y-00999-00234656-00234838 a song if I got a song and forgot I vyT3XwmGV3y-01000-00234839-00235117 solved with whoever I choose as long as vyT3XwmGV3y-01001-00235117-00235396 all I know I can release your and you vyT3XwmGV3y-01002-00235396-00235729 know it'll reach the you know it'll vyT3XwmGV3y-01003-00235730-00236010 reach it'll have a reach to it so now vyT3XwmGV3y-01004-00236011-00236326 knowing that it's a light to do so I'm vyT3XwmGV3y-01005-00236327-00236598 just right now just finishing it because vyT3XwmGV3y-01006-00236600-00236760 we just got our tour so I'm kind of just vyT3XwmGV3y-01007-00236761-00236994 now getting back into finish writing vyT3XwmGV3y-01008-00236996-00237202 they take a minute for me to get into vyT3XwmGV3y-01009-00237203-00237373 that model vyT3XwmGV3y-01010-00237373-00237502 it's not going to produce a mode or vyT3XwmGV3y-01011-00237503-00237826 whatever mode I mean sometimes writing vyT3XwmGV3y-01012-00237827-00238084 is the hardest because you're not moved vyT3XwmGV3y-01013-00238085-00238192 by a lot of [__] vyT3XwmGV3y-01014-00238192-00238435 yes if it's a full full-length project vyT3XwmGV3y-01015-00238436-00238644 all right so for the people that want to vyT3XwmGV3y-01016-00238646-00238792 check that project out when it's when vyT3XwmGV3y-01017-00238792-00238957 it's done and get updates and for the vyT3XwmGV3y-01018-00238958-00239119 producers that want to soak up the vyT3XwmGV3y-01019-00239119-00239437 knowledge and also artists that want vyT3XwmGV3y-01020-00239438-00239710 access to your catalog once it's out how vyT3XwmGV3y-01021-00239711-00239848 do they follow you how do they contact vyT3XwmGV3y-01022-00239848-00240306 you how to interact with you online I vyT3XwmGV3y-01023-00240307-00240564 think it's both of these den and outs vyT3XwmGV3y-01024-00240565-00240946 and then have a website that's just the vyT3XwmGV3y-01025-00240946-00241303 NomCom way and it's always update vyT3XwmGV3y-01026-00241304-00241489 updates through that but social media is vyT3XwmGV3y-01027-00241490-00241694 pretty much less than wait like you know vyT3XwmGV3y-01028-00241696-00241900 it's like the calling card for vyT3XwmGV3y-01029-00241901-00242248 everything so you see I'm for me I'm vyT3XwmGV3y-01030-00242248-00242536 like we doing I'm even writing comedy vyT3XwmGV3y-01031-00242537-00242794 skits right now so I'm actually writing vyT3XwmGV3y-01032-00242794-00243352 the show on the show and it's just just vyT3XwmGV3y-01033-00243353-00243484 a different way of doing it like vyT3XwmGV3y-01034-00243485-00243877 Instagram TV it'll be like an Instagram vyT3XwmGV3y-01035-00243878-00244398 TV thing and it's almost like a mixtape vyT3XwmGV3y-01036-00244400-00244636 of funny skits you know how you like go vyT3XwmGV3y-01037-00244637-00244783 to his room you go through and you might vyT3XwmGV3y-01038-00244784-00244971 see a thing here that this imagine vyT3XwmGV3y-01039-00244973-00245242 getting hit with one like literally 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bro peace thank you mere feet vzon-kULyYg-00000-00000150-00000985 [Music] vzon-kULyYg-00001-00000986-00001391 the discourses of Epictetus book 1 vzon-kULyYg-00002-00001392-00001852 chapter 11 of natural affection when he vzon-kULyYg-00003-00001853-00002099 was visited by one of the magistrates vzon-kULyYg-00004-00002100-00002420 Epictetus inquired of him about several vzon-kULyYg-00005-00002421-00002690 particulars and asked if he had children vzon-kULyYg-00006-00002691-00003023 and a wife the man replied that he had vzon-kULyYg-00007-00003024-00003340 in epictetus inquired further how he vzon-kULyYg-00008-00003342-00003706 felt under the circumstances miserable vzon-kULyYg-00009-00003707-00004061 the man said then Epictetus asked in vzon-kULyYg-00010-00004061-00004391 what respect for men do not marry and vzon-kULyYg-00011-00004392-00004586 beget children in order to be wretched vzon-kULyYg-00012-00004587-00004991 but rather to be happy but I the man 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of all or at least vzon-kULyYg-00027-00008628-00009010 most fathers I do not deny that but the vzon-kULyYg-00028-00009011-00009235 matter about which we are inquiring is vzon-kULyYg-00029-00009236-00009524 whether such behavior is right for in vzon-kULyYg-00030-00009525-00009742 respect to this matter we must say that vzon-kULyYg-00031-00009743-00009983 tumors also come for the good of the vzon-kULyYg-00032-00009984-00010303 body because they do come and generally vzon-kULyYg-00033-00010304-00010571 we must say that to do wrong is natural vzon-kULyYg-00034-00010572-00010885 because nearly all or at least most of vzon-kULyYg-00035-00010886-00011198 us who do wrong do you show me then how vzon-kULyYg-00036-00011199-00011513 your behavior is natural I cannot he vzon-kULyYg-00037-00011514-00011795 said but do you rather show me how did vzon-kULyYg-00038-00011796-00012049 it is not according to nature and is not vzon-kULyYg-00039-00012050-00012478 rightly done well said Epictetus if we 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examination of vzon-kULyYg-00214-00060264-00060525 your own opinions and that this is not vzon-kULyYg-00215-00060526-00060779 the work of one hour or day you know vzon-kULyYg-00216-00060780-00061698 yourself vzon-kULyYg-00217-00061699-00061904 you v-mpLYvKiQk-00000-00000524-00000923 we're at new frontiers 2016 Molina v-mpLYvKiQk-00001-00000924-00001127 Siegfried and i'm here with justine door v-mpLYvKiQk-00002-00001128-00001366 from land care research general manager v-mpLYvKiQk-00003-00001367-00001627 justine tell us a little bit about what v-mpLYvKiQk-00004-00001628-00001855 you do at land care research well i'm v-mpLYvKiQk-00005-00001857-00002059 one of the the science general managers v-mpLYvKiQk-00006-00002060-00002282 and we're New Zealand's national v-mpLYvKiQk-00007-00002283-00002537 environmental research institute for the v-mpLYvKiQk-00008-00002538-00002804 country and we work on a whole range of v-mpLYvKiQk-00009-00002805-00002999 environmental issues everything from v-mpLYvKiQk-00010-00003000-00003272 soils through the insect pests through v-mpLYvKiQk-00011-00003272-00003545 the mammalian peace through to our v-mpLYvKiQk-00012-00003546-00003806 forest ecosystems and it pretty much v-mpLYvKiQk-00013-00003807-00003997 everything in between everything on the v-mpLYvKiQk-00014-00003998-00004403 land right and you what are the biggest v-mpLYvKiQk-00015-00004404-00004672 problems that I guess you're finding a v-mpLYvKiQk-00016-00004673-00004904 new zealand around these areas well i v-mpLYvKiQk-00017-00004905-00005042 think there's a range of pressures v-mpLYvKiQk-00018-00005043-00005377 caused by humans human involvement in v-mpLYvKiQk-00019-00005378-00005629 the land the pressures that humans have v-mpLYvKiQk-00020-00005630-00005968 on our ecosystems at rnr landscapes but v-mpLYvKiQk-00021-00005969-00006254 particularly climate change is also a v-mpLYvKiQk-00022-00006255-00006454 big driver of change in our landscapes v-mpLYvKiQk-00023-00006455-00006662 and it puts pressures on our native v-mpLYvKiQk-00024-00006663-00006916 species it puts pressures and terms of v-mpLYvKiQk-00025-00006917-00007175 risks things like bloodying natural v-mpLYvKiQk-00026-00007176-00007484 events etc or has an impact and we do a v-mpLYvKiQk-00027-00007484-00007770 lot of work around information making v-mpLYvKiQk-00028-00007772-00007958 environmental research information v-mpLYvKiQk-00029-00007959-00008239 available to everyone so we do a lot of v-mpLYvKiQk-00030-00008240-00008396 work around mapping New Zealand's v-mpLYvKiQk-00031-00008397-00008813 forestry understanding wetlands new ways v-mpLYvKiQk-00032-00008814-00009137 to control pests whether they're in tech v-mpLYvKiQk-00033-00009138-00009374 piece or whether they're possums they v-mpLYvKiQk-00034-00009375-00009569 will have an impact on our ecosystems v-mpLYvKiQk-00035-00009570-00009785 and we also do a lot of information v-mpLYvKiQk-00036-00009786-00010271 around soils around plants etc right so v-mpLYvKiQk-00037-00010272-00010535 how is that information applied to I v-mpLYvKiQk-00038-00010536-00010799 guess inform land you saw or what we do v-mpLYvKiQk-00039-00010800-00011084 here with the land yeah that's we often v-mpLYvKiQk-00040-00011085-00011288 do a lot of that type of work helping v-mpLYvKiQk-00041-00011289-00011446 people understand what the pressures are v-mpLYvKiQk-00042-00011447-00011633 on the New Zealand ecosystem and v-mpLYvKiQk-00043-00011634-00011894 environments and also taking response v-mpLYvKiQk-00044-00011895-00012067 doing the right thing during the best v-mpLYvKiQk-00045-00012068-00012292 thing and sometimes the best thing is v-mpLYvKiQk-00046-00012293-00012548 what's good appropriate environmentally v-mpLYvKiQk-00047-00012549-00012710 and sometimes it's also what's also v-mpLYvKiQk-00048-00012711-00013007 possible economically so we believe we v-mpLYvKiQk-00049-00013008-00013186 can have optimal choices the best v-mpLYvKiQk-00050-00013187-00013280 possible choice v-mpLYvKiQk-00051-00013281-00013511 around the land for people but also for v-mpLYvKiQk-00052-00013512-00013758 for the environment so some of the ways v-mpLYvKiQk-00053-00013759-00014019 that we we help is that we provide v-mpLYvKiQk-00054-00014019-00014178 councils with really high quality v-mpLYvKiQk-00055-00014179-00014459 information around soils we run the v-mpLYvKiQk-00056-00014460-00014723 National soil mapping program for the v-mpLYvKiQk-00057-00014724-00014969 country we're still working on that but v-mpLYvKiQk-00058-00014970-00015180 everyone wants to know about their soils v-mpLYvKiQk-00059-00015181-00015494 and how they perform what that means v-mpLYvKiQk-00060-00015494-00015767 on-farm particularly is we are very v-mpLYvKiQk-00061-00015768-00015908 concerned in New Zealand's about our v-mpLYvKiQk-00062-00015909-00016161 waterways fish water quality can our v-mpLYvKiQk-00063-00016162-00016467 people swim in them can you take food v-mpLYvKiQk-00064-00016468-00016664 from the rivers and there are some v-mpLYvKiQk-00065-00016665-00016850 regulatory limits that we try and help v-mpLYvKiQk-00066-00016851-00017255 inform right so we do here quite a lot v-mpLYvKiQk-00067-00017256-00017444 in New Zealand around fresh water v-mpLYvKiQk-00068-00017445-00017750 quality issues are there similar issues v-mpLYvKiQk-00069-00017751-00017987 that are facing our soils that we don't v-mpLYvKiQk-00070-00017988-00018249 hear so much about yeah it's a really v-mpLYvKiQk-00071-00018250-00018539 good question people often focus on the v-mpLYvKiQk-00072-00018540-00018680 waterways because that's where they v-mpLYvKiQk-00073-00018681-00018878 recreate this with a relax those are v-mpLYvKiQk-00074-00018879-00019028 things places that are really culturally v-mpLYvKiQk-00075-00019029-00019317 important land is so much more of it v-mpLYvKiQk-00076-00019318-00019592 it's all got soil underneath it and the v-mpLYvKiQk-00077-00019593-00019821 sores are pretty critical but for some v-mpLYvKiQk-00078-00019822-00020069 reason in New Zealand we met and we v-mpLYvKiQk-00079-00020070-00020264 understand and we research a lot about v-mpLYvKiQk-00080-00020265-00020499 us our forestry systems around our v-mpLYvKiQk-00081-00020500-00020687 waterways around our wetlands and that's v-mpLYvKiQk-00082-00020688-00020928 important but we still don't know enough v-mpLYvKiQk-00083-00020929-00021186 about our soils we still trying to v-mpLYvKiQk-00084-00021187-00021402 understand our soils we're a lot further v-mpLYvKiQk-00085-00021403-00021653 behind and I think it's really important v-mpLYvKiQk-00086-00021654-00021836 to understand what are the v-mpLYvKiQk-00087-00021837-00022086 characteristics of our soils how do they v-mpLYvKiQk-00088-00022087-00022317 behave when it's very rainy when there's v-mpLYvKiQk-00089-00022318-00022505 a lot of intensive agriculture on our v-mpLYvKiQk-00090-00022506-00022752 soils and in fact thank you research you v-mpLYvKiQk-00091-00022753-00022844 know we do a lot of work around v-mpLYvKiQk-00092-00022845-00023108 understanding there in making helping v-mpLYvKiQk-00093-00023109-00023459 farmers helping councils helping the v-mpLYvKiQk-00094-00023460-00023618 national departments of the government v-mpLYvKiQk-00095-00023619-00023846 departments make better decisions about v-mpLYvKiQk-00096-00023847-00024317 land use on soils right so how how are v-mpLYvKiQk-00097-00024318-00024515 you providing that information I guess v-mpLYvKiQk-00098-00024516-00024833 to the public or to farmers we'll all of v-mpLYvKiQk-00099-00024834-00024977 its online when we have information v-mpLYvKiQk-00100-00024978-00025184 we're a publicly funded entity largely v-mpLYvKiQk-00101-00025185-00025397 and whenever it's publicly funded we v-mpLYvKiQk-00102-00025398-00025565 have a huge commitment to what we call v-mpLYvKiQk-00103-00025566-00025824 open data data online information online v-mpLYvKiQk-00104-00025825-00026014 so we run v-mpLYvKiQk-00105-00026016-00026258 a number of online information portals v-mpLYvKiQk-00106-00026258-00026537 you can they have very exciting maps v-mpLYvKiQk-00107-00026538-00026816 that are most of colors and they have a v-mpLYvKiQk-00108-00026817-00026975 great amount of information and data v-mpLYvKiQk-00109-00026976-00027170 that's it behind them so we make that v-mpLYvKiQk-00110-00027170-00027445 all available one of our big products is v-mpLYvKiQk-00111-00027447-00027724 or our portals is called s map online v-mpLYvKiQk-00112-00027725-00028055 soils map online and when you go on v-mpLYvKiQk-00113-00028056-00028217 there you can you can get a huge v-mpLYvKiQk-00114-00028218-00028414 information resource we have a lot of v-mpLYvKiQk-00115-00028416-00028694 land resource inventory information that v-mpLYvKiQk-00116-00028695-00028916 you can get anyone can just log on and v-mpLYvKiQk-00117-00028917-00029231 find and use because we believe in open v-mpLYvKiQk-00118-00029232-00029549 data and the the benefits of New v-mpLYvKiQk-00119-00029550-00029774 Zealanders being able to access that and v-mpLYvKiQk-00120-00029775-00030062 in particular and lanky research is v-mpLYvKiQk-00121-00030063-00030308 actually the custodian or seven of New v-mpLYvKiQk-00122-00030308-00030577 Zealand's 25 nationally significant v-mpLYvKiQk-00123-00030579-00030802 collections and databases those are v-mpLYvKiQk-00124-00030804-00031007 National Science assets for the country v-mpLYvKiQk-00125-00031008-00031304 and we maintain and improve them for all v-mpLYvKiQk-00126-00031305-00031477 New Zealanders so all of that v-mpLYvKiQk-00127-00031479-00031679 information when it's a national v-mpLYvKiQk-00128-00031680-00031945 collection or database is definitely v-mpLYvKiQk-00129-00031947-00032158 made available online for people to use v-mpLYvKiQk-00130-00032160-00032413 and make better decisions about land v-mpLYvKiQk-00131-00032414-00032648 well that sounds like quite a wealth of v-mpLYvKiQk-00132-00032649-00032786 information that you were holding onto v-mpLYvKiQk-00133-00032787-00033179 there any other exciting big projects or v-mpLYvKiQk-00134-00033180-00033449 things that you learned about working on v-mpLYvKiQk-00135-00033450-00033640 coming up in the future yes well I think v-mpLYvKiQk-00136-00033641-00033836 we trialed something last year in v-mpLYvKiQk-00137-00033837-00034124 November in New Zealand we ran a very v-mpLYvKiQk-00138-00034125-00034463 first hackathon based off environmental v-mpLYvKiQk-00139-00034464-00034643 research information it was called match v-mpLYvKiQk-00140-00034644-00034865 a hack was run in collaboration with v-mpLYvKiQk-00141-00034866-00035114 Callaghan innovation and and and we use v-mpLYvKiQk-00142-00035115-00035396 that information that huge data sets v-mpLYvKiQk-00143-00035397-00035612 about our land about our forests about v-mpLYvKiQk-00144-00035613-00035861 our insects about our native biota our v-mpLYvKiQk-00145-00035862-00036194 biology our species and we let loose you v-mpLYvKiQk-00146-00036195-00036572 know 45 hackers from all across the ICT v-mpLYvKiQk-00147-00036573-00036872 and creative communities and whether v-mpLYvKiQk-00148-00036873-00037088 some amazing results came out of it so v-mpLYvKiQk-00149-00037089-00037328 we're quite keen to try to do more of v-mpLYvKiQk-00150-00037329-00037550 this type of innovation how do we get v-mpLYvKiQk-00151-00037551-00037784 better value and relevance from this v-mpLYvKiQk-00152-00037785-00037982 incredible investment by the crown inn v-mpLYvKiQk-00153-00037983-00038215 in science and research around the v-mpLYvKiQk-00154-00038216-00038515 natural environment so this year 2016 v-mpLYvKiQk-00155-00038516-00038726 we're coming up with a few initiatives v-mpLYvKiQk-00156-00038727-00038914 to really get better value and v-mpLYvKiQk-00157-00038915-00039154 aged New Zealanders with with us work v-mpLYvKiQk-00158-00039155-00039330 with this research and the information v-mpLYvKiQk-00159-00039331-00039562 it sounds like some fantastic v-mpLYvKiQk-00160-00039563-00039781 opportunities for cross-sector v-mpLYvKiQk-00161-00039782-00039952 collaboration there that's right we v-mpLYvKiQk-00162-00039953-00040179 often do work with a range of other v-mpLYvKiQk-00163-00040180-00040369 organizations whether it's other v-mpLYvKiQk-00164-00040370-00040669 research providers or our users Marty v-mpLYvKiQk-00165-00040670-00040912 landowners and particular have a huge v-mpLYvKiQk-00166-00040913-00041053 information needed them in at about v-mpLYvKiQk-00167-00041054-00041278 their land how to unlock the potential v-mpLYvKiQk-00168-00041279-00041611 of that land and at the heart of every v-mpLYvKiQk-00169-00041612-00041785 land use decision or lend management v-mpLYvKiQk-00170-00041786-00041983 decision is good information so that's v-mpLYvKiQk-00171-00041984-00042190 really one of the critical roles that v-mpLYvKiQk-00172-00042191-00042397 lanky research plays and the in the New v-mpLYvKiQk-00173-00042398-00042607 Zealand science system but we need to do v-mpLYvKiQk-00174-00042608-00042868 it collaboratively that's one thing that v-mpLYvKiQk-00175-00042869-00043237 I think the new frontier has really you v-mpLYvKiQk-00176-00043238-00043438 know show on asus is that working v-mpLYvKiQk-00177-00043439-00043606 together you can get there faster and v-mpLYvKiQk-00178-00043607-00043797 better than working on your own v-mpLYvKiQk-00179-00043798-00044047 fantastic thanks so much please thank v-mpLYvKiQk-00180-00044048-00045446 you v-mpLYvKiQk-00181-00045447-00045653 you v_4CrcHUyiu-00000-00001201-00002564 Wow and today they're blanks battle mode v_4CrcHUyiu-00001-00002565-00002833 I'm sorry for like my graph Toews but v_4CrcHUyiu-00002-00002834-00003113 I'm just kind of bored right now and i'm v_4CrcHUyiu-00003-00003114-00003434 just doing whatever I can just saying v_4CrcHUyiu-00004-00003435-00003611 your warm face came this whole video v_4CrcHUyiu-00005-00003611-00003818 this will be the high point of base camp v_4CrcHUyiu-00006-00003819-00004297 so yeah I try for Horace to get the v_4CrcHUyiu-00007-00004298-00004786 creeper head here super Steve really I v_4CrcHUyiu-00008-00004787-00005020 want doing what another one view one v_4CrcHUyiu-00009-00005021-00005504 with you actually tell write down the v_4CrcHUyiu-00010-00005505-00005758 comments if you want to do a 1v1 with me v_4CrcHUyiu-00011-00005759-00006448 cuz this round which our way I am I v_4CrcHUyiu-00012-00006450-00006781 literally ret repeal I'm literally going v_4CrcHUyiu-00013-00006783-00007412 to wreck people with a sharp missed v_4CrcHUyiu-00014-00007413-00008256 three a sharpness 30 v_4CrcHUyiu-00015-00008257-00008645 cheer so let's just get prices around v_4CrcHUyiu-00016-00008646-00009739 here we go ok so 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have like v_4CrcHUyiu-00046-00026008-00026539 20 seconds left I'm learning first guy v_4CrcHUyiu-00047-00026539-00028635 when I I go v_4CrcHUyiu-00048-00028636-00029511 okay thank you Thank You Man thank you v_4CrcHUyiu-00049-00029512-00029829 so obviously you in the next round and I v_4CrcHUyiu-00050-00029830-00030039 would all have facecam just saying so v_4CrcHUyiu-00051-00030039-00030587 yeah I will see you in the next round v_4CrcHUyiu-00052-00030588-00031364 see you Oh guys ok so here we're here we v_4CrcHUyiu-00053-00031366-00031833 are crucible one ok let's just hope we v_4CrcHUyiu-00054-00031833-00032483 don't I wake come on come on come on v_4CrcHUyiu-00055-00032485-00032682 there's a chess over there come on come v_4CrcHUyiu-00056-00032683-00033207 on come on come on I can block there for v_4CrcHUyiu-00057-00033208-00033546 a second ok I'm pretty sure that's an v_4CrcHUyiu-00058-00033547-00033743 ocean of poison so I'm pretty sure again v_4CrcHUyiu-00059-00033744-00034043 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v_4CrcHUyiu-00128-00070998-00071435 yes yeah yeah we just need two kilos v_4CrcHUyiu-00129-00071436-00072011 last guy oh crap our hero so this is v_4CrcHUyiu-00130-00072012-00072179 probably gonna be draw so let's see who v_4CrcHUyiu-00131-00072180-00072791 wins yeah come on get that was worth it v_4CrcHUyiu-00132-00072792-00073322 that was literally worth it Oh guys hmm v_4CrcHUyiu-00133-00073323-00073511 if you enjoyed the field member to like v_4CrcHUyiu-00134-00073512-00073877 comment subscribe share whatever I hope v_4CrcHUyiu-00135-00073878-00074126 you guys enjoyed this video I'll see you v_4CrcHUyiu-00136-00074127-00074432 later hi v_B4XCu1Dn0-00000-00000035-00000329 puna Mahanagar Peruvian Maha Mendel v_B4XCu1Dn0-00001-00000330-00000728 limited PMPM el lit Puna Metropolitan v_B4XCu1Dn0-00002-00000729-00000947 Transport Corporation is the public v_B4XCu1Dn0-00003-00000948-00001162 transport bus service provider for the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00004-00001163-00001375 twin cities of Pune and Pimp reach in v_B4XCu1Dn0-00005-00001376-00001603 wad in the Pune metropolitan region of v_B4XCu1Dn0-00006-00001604-00001913 the Indian state of Maharashtra prior to v_B4XCu1Dn0-00007-00001914-00002151 its foundation on the 19th of October v_B4XCu1Dn0-00008-00002152-00002432 2007 the Twin Cities were served by two v_B4XCu1Dn0-00009-00002433-00002645 separate providers biz the Pune v_B4XCu1Dn0-00010-00002646-00002917 municipal transport PMT and the pimp v_B4XCu1Dn0-00011-00002918-00003184 reach inch watt municipal transport PCM v_B4XCu1Dn0-00012-00003185-00003611 T it operates 371 routes within a radius v_B4XCu1Dn0-00013-00003611-00003865 of 20 kilometres around the two cities v_B4XCu1Dn0-00014-00003867-00004204 including 51 rainbow BRT routes that at v_B4XCu1Dn0-00015-00004205-00004403 least partially ply on the four bus v_B4XCu1Dn0-00016-00004404-00005081 rapid transit corridors v_B4XCu1Dn0-00017-00005082-00005434 topic history v_B4XCu1Dn0-00018-00005435-00005629 you v_B4XCu1Dn0-00019-00005630-00005943 you v_B4XCu1Dn0-00020-00005944-00006497 topic early history v_B4XCu1Dn0-00021-00006498-00006762 Poona Nagar Palika predecessor of the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00022-00006763-00007070 Pune Municipal Corporation PMC conceived v_B4XCu1Dn0-00023-00007072-00007302 the idea of a public transport system v_B4XCu1Dn0-00024-00007303-00007514 for the city in the 1940s which v_B4XCu1Dn0-00025-00007515-00007755 materialized when the regional transport v_B4XCu1Dn0-00026-00007756-00008081 office gave its nod for m/s silver v_B4XCu1Dn0-00027-00008083-00008358 jubilee motors to take up the charge the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00028-00008359-00008583 service that began with four routes with v_B4XCu1Dn0-00029-00008584-00008859 20 buses already had increased to 46 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00030-00008860-00009534 buses by 1948 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00031-00009535-00010238 topic PMT and PCM t v_B4XCu1Dn0-00032-00010239-00010481 after the transformation of pune Nagar v_B4XCu1Dn0-00033-00010482-00010826 Palika into PMC in 1950 the civic body v_B4XCu1Dn0-00034-00010827-00011150 took over the service Pune municipal v_B4XCu1Dn0-00035-00011151-00011441 transport PMT as it was named after the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00036-00011442-00011693 takeover started with a fleet of 57 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00037-00011694-00011963 buses that plied on 14 routes the public v_B4XCu1Dn0-00038-00011964-00012164 transport provider for the industrial v_B4XCu1Dn0-00039-00012165-00012368 city pimp reach inch wad municipal v_B4XCu1Dn0-00040-00012369-00012680 transport PC MT was founded on the 4th v_B4XCu1Dn0-00041-00012681-00013016 of March 1974 with a fleet of 8 buses v_B4XCu1Dn0-00042-00013016-00013394 plying between PIM pre and besar e pc mt v_B4XCu1Dn0-00043-00013394-00013709 saw rapid expansion and already by 1988 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00044-00013710-00014063 it had a fleet of 101 buses plying on 13 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00045-00014063-00014599 routes v_B4XCu1Dn0-00046-00014600-00015107 topic merger v_B4XCu1Dn0-00047-00015108-00015455 a proposal for merger of PMT and PCM tea v_B4XCu1Dn0-00048-00015456-00015668 into a unified company to serve the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00049-00015669-00015896 larger metropolitan regions was proposed v_B4XCu1Dn0-00050-00015897-00016211 as early as 1992 when the general body v_B4XCu1Dn0-00051-00016212-00016400 of the PMC passed a resolution v_B4XCu1Dn0-00052-00016401-00016805 supporting such merger however the PCM v_B4XCu1Dn0-00053-00016806-00017204 see only considered a merger in 2003 the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00054-00017205-00017437 merger was formally announced in April v_B4XCu1Dn0-00055-00017438-00017819 2007 and PM PML as it exists today came v_B4XCu1Dn0-00056-00017820-00018665 into being on the 19th of October 2007 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00057-00018666-00019216 topic operations v_B4XCu1Dn0-00058-00019217-00019480 for the website in April twenty eighteen v_B4XCu1Dn0-00059-00019481-00019828 PM PML has a fleet of 1780 buses v_B4XCu1Dn0-00060-00019829-00020040 maintained at 13 depots v_B4XCu1Dn0-00061-00020041-00020326 however due to several buses being in v_B4XCu1Dn0-00062-00020327-00020605 disrepair only 1382 buses are v_B4XCu1Dn0-00063-00020606-00020971 operational and ferry see 900,000 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00064-00020972-00021585 passengers every day v_B4XCu1Dn0-00065-00021586-00022118 topic services v_B4XCu1Dn0-00066-00022119-00022442 PM PML operates regular scheduled v_B4XCu1Dn0-00067-00022443-00022712 services daily between 5:30 a.m. and v_B4XCu1Dn0-00068-00022713-00023111 midnight on 371 routes the frequencies v_B4XCu1Dn0-00069-00023112-00023285 on individual routes vary greatly v_B4XCu1Dn0-00070-00023286-00023537 according to footfall certain v_B4XCu1Dn0-00071-00023538-00023750 long-distance routes are serviced only a v_B4XCu1Dn0-00072-00023751-00024056 few times per day some of these routes v_B4XCu1Dn0-00073-00024057-00024281 are partially or fully run on the BRT v_B4XCu1Dn0-00074-00024282-00024536 corridors under the brand name rainbow v_B4XCu1Dn0-00075-00024537-00024670 BRTS v_B4XCu1Dn0-00076-00024671-00025046 PM PML also operates night buses after v_B4XCu1Dn0-00077-00025047-00025367 midnight on seven routes on the occasion v_B4XCu1Dn0-00078-00025368-00025658 of International Women's Day 2018 p.m. v_B4XCu1Dn0-00079-00025658-00025852 PML launched Tejaswini v_B4XCu1Dn0-00080-00025854-00026125 Marathi Tia's vini radiant bus services v_B4XCu1Dn0-00081-00026126-00026327 exclusively for women which were well v_B4XCu1Dn0-00082-00026327-00026708 received by women commuters there 218 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00083-00026708-00026942 daily Tejaswini services during the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00084-00026943-00027145 morning and afternoon peak hours on v_B4XCu1Dn0-00085-00027147-00027520 eight of the busiest routes PM PML also v_B4XCu1Dn0-00086-00027522-00027764 runs special services for tourists under v_B4XCu1Dn0-00087-00027764-00028019 the name pune darshan as well as airport v_B4XCu1Dn0-00088-00028020-00028274 services from Rajiv Gandhi IT park v_B4XCu1Dn0-00089-00028275-00028968 hinjewadi to Pune Airport v_B4XCu1Dn0-00090-00028969-00029310 topic fare v_B4XCu1Dn0-00091-00029311-00029479 you v_B4XCu1Dn0-00092-00029480-00029730 single journey tickets are valid for a v_B4XCu1Dn0-00093-00029731-00030033 single trip between any two points they v_B4XCu1Dn0-00094-00030034-00030235 are issued as paper tickets and are to v_B4XCu1Dn0-00095-00030236-00030414 be bought on board from the conductor v_B4XCu1Dn0-00096-00030415-00030685 the fare depends on the distance of v_B4XCu1Dn0-00097-00030686-00030924 travel see table below and needs to be v_B4XCu1Dn0-00098-00030925-00031224 paid in cash children between the ages v_B4XCu1Dn0-00099-00031225-00031477 of 3 and 12 years travel at reduced v_B4XCu1Dn0-00100-00031477-00031726 fares called half ticket while no fares v_B4XCu1Dn0-00101-00031727-00031961 are charged for children younger than 3 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00102-00031962-00032236 fares on the night bus services are v_B4XCu1Dn0-00103-00032237-00032637 higher PMPM l offers daily weekly v_B4XCu1Dn0-00104-00032638-00032836 fortnightly quarterly and annual v_B4XCu1Dn0-00105-00032837-00033015 travelling passes to make journeys v_B4XCu1Dn0-00106-00033016-00033337 convenient for its passengers discounted v_B4XCu1Dn0-00107-00033338-00033529 passes are also there for elderly v_B4XCu1Dn0-00108-00033530-00033721 passengers visually and physically v_B4XCu1Dn0-00109-00033722-00033907 challenged reporters and freedom v_B4XCu1Dn0-00110-00033908-00034224 fighters all passes can be obtained both v_B4XCu1Dn0-00111-00034225-00034521 online and offline a pass can only be v_B4XCu1Dn0-00112-00034522-00034726 used in conjunction with an identity v_B4XCu1Dn0-00113-00034727-00035023 card issued by the PM PML at a cost of v_B4XCu1Dn0-00114-00035024-00035326 20 rupees plus 5 rupees for application v_B4XCu1Dn0-00115-00035327-00035718 as of April 2018 a monthly pass valid v_B4XCu1Dn0-00116-00035719-00036033 for a month on all routes costs 1400 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00117-00036034-00036093 rupees v_B4XCu1Dn0-00118-00036094-00036307 while students and senior citizens need v_B4XCu1Dn0-00119-00036308-00036630 to pay 750 rupees and 500 rupees v_B4XCu1Dn0-00120-00036631-00036967 respectively a day pass valid on all v_B4XCu1Dn0-00121-00036968-00037221 routes cost 70 rupees and can only be v_B4XCu1Dn0-00122-00037222-00037858 obtained on board v_B4XCu1Dn0-00123-00037859-00038415 topic Depot's v_B4XCu1Dn0-00124-00038416-00038752 PMPM l currently has eleven operational v_B4XCu1Dn0-00125-00038753-00039324 bus depots v_B4XCu1Dn0-00126-00039325-00039673 topic issues v_B4XCu1Dn0-00127-00039674-00039871 you v_B4XCu1Dn0-00128-00039872-00040186 you v_B4XCu1Dn0-00129-00040187-00040784 topic operational losses v_B4XCu1Dn0-00130-00040785-00041055 PMP ml has been incurring heavy v_B4XCu1Dn0-00131-00041056-00041265 operational losses ever since its v_B4XCu1Dn0-00132-00041266-00041640 formation in 2007 as per the merger v_B4XCu1Dn0-00133-00041641-00042048 contract the PMC and PCMC they're 60% v_B4XCu1Dn0-00134-00042049-00042306 and 40% of the losses repsect of lis v_B4XCu1Dn0-00135-00042307-00042558 there have been disputes between the two v_B4XCu1Dn0-00136-00042559-00042786 civic bodies resulting in demands for v_B4XCu1Dn0-00137-00042787-00043074 dissolving the PMP ml to form PMT and v_B4XCu1Dn0-00138-00043075-00043937 PCM T as they existed before 2007 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00139-00043938-00044234 topic insufficient fleet and poor v_B4XCu1Dn0-00140-00044235-00044663 maintenance v_B4XCu1Dn0-00141-00044664-00044967 PMPM l as the sole public transport v_B4XCu1Dn0-00142-00044968-00045153 provider for the metropolitan area v_B4XCu1Dn0-00143-00045154-00045375 surrounding the twin cities of Pune and v_B4XCu1Dn0-00144-00045376-00045603 Pimp reach in WOD with a population of v_B4XCu1Dn0-00145-00045604-00045846 five million fifty-seven thousand seven v_B4XCu1Dn0-00146-00045847-00046212 hundred nine various PM PM l officials v_B4XCu1Dn0-00147-00046213-00046434 have put the number of buses required to v_B4XCu1Dn0-00148-00046435-00046599 optimally cater to the needs of the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00149-00046600-00046806 metropolis between three thousand and v_B4XCu1Dn0-00150-00046807-00047009 three thousand four hundred fifty v_B4XCu1Dn0-00151-00047010-00047427 however as of 2018 PM PM L had a fleet v_B4XCu1Dn0-00152-00047428-00047658 of 1780 buses of which on an average v_B4XCu1Dn0-00153-00047659-00048153 only 1382 were operational thus at any v_B4XCu1Dn0-00154-00048154-00048492 given moment see 34 percent of its fleet v_B4XCu1Dn0-00155-00048493-00048744 was off roads way above the limit of 20 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00156-00048745-00048954 percent per the norm set by the Central v_B4XCu1Dn0-00157-00048955-00049332 Institute of Road Transport CIRT this v_B4XCu1Dn0-00158-00049333-00049643 put the ratio of operational buses at C v_B4XCu1Dn0-00159-00049644-00050061 27 per 100,000 population reasons for v_B4XCu1Dn0-00160-00050062-00050274 these buses being off roads are mainly v_B4XCu1Dn0-00161-00050275-00050466 related to maintenance and frequent v_B4XCu1Dn0-00162-00050467-00050616 breakdowns due to several factors v_B4XCu1Dn0-00163-00050617-00050862 including insufficient manpower and v_B4XCu1Dn0-00164-00050863-00051096 facilities at p.m. p.m. L depots and v_B4XCu1Dn0-00165-00051097-00051458 lack of preventive maintenance PM PM L v_B4XCu1Dn0-00166-00051459-00051671 also has a number of buses that are v_B4XCu1Dn0-00167-00051672-00051849 owned and maintained by private v_B4XCu1Dn0-00168-00051850-00052053 contractors which also suffer poor v_B4XCu1Dn0-00169-00052054-00052340 maintenance moreover a significant v_B4XCu1Dn0-00170-00052341-00052545 number of buses in the fleet are older v_B4XCu1Dn0-00171-00052546-00052929 than 15 years while 746 buses are 10 to v_B4XCu1Dn0-00172-00052929-00053148 15 years old making them prone to v_B4XCu1Dn0-00173-00053149-00053463 frequent breakdowns insufficient buses v_B4XCu1Dn0-00174-00053464-00053670 inevitably lead to overcrowding on the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00175-00053671-00053891 buses during peak hours with as many as v_B4XCu1Dn0-00176-00053892-00054153 3 times the capacity riding a single bus v_B4XCu1Dn0-00177-00054154-00054387 to alleviate the problem of insufficient v_B4XCu1Dn0-00178-00054388-00054744 buses PM PM L had decided to buy 800 new v_B4XCu1Dn0-00179-00054745-00055038 diesel buses in 2017 postponing its v_B4XCu1Dn0-00180-00055039-00055278 initial plan of buying 550 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00181-00055279-00055590 air-conditioned buses the decision drew v_B4XCu1Dn0-00182-00055591-00055773 severe criticism regarding the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00183-00055774-00056033 environmental impact of diesel buses v_B4XCu1Dn0-00184-00056034-00056322 several NGOs and commuter groups v_B4XCu1Dn0-00185-00056323-00056654 suggested that PM PM l should buy CNG v_B4XCu1Dn0-00186-00056655-00057015 buses instead as a result it was decided v_B4XCu1Dn0-00187-00057016-00057360 that 400 cng and 400 diesel run buses v_B4XCu1Dn0-00188-00057361-00057696 would be bought however cm Devendra v_B4XCu1Dn0-00189-00057697-00058020 Fadnavis insisted that PM PM l constant v_B4XCu1Dn0-00190-00058021-00058342 on eco-friendly buses in April 2018 as v_B4XCu1Dn0-00191-00058344-00058737 of May twenty eighteen PM PML planned to v_B4XCu1Dn0-00192-00058738-00058989 buy 500 electric air-conditioned buses v_B4XCu1Dn0-00193-00058990-00059715 and 400 CNG buses v_B4XCu1Dn0-00194-00059716-00060254 topic infrastructure v_B4XCu1Dn0-00195-00060254-00060564 PMP ml does not have sufficient bus v_B4XCu1Dn0-00196-00060565-00060810 depots which leads to as many as half of v_B4XCu1Dn0-00197-00060811-00061020 the buses being parked on the streets in v_B4XCu1Dn0-00198-00061021-00061379 2015 the drivers have also been blamed v_B4XCu1Dn0-00199-00061380-00061578 for parking haphazardly leading to v_B4XCu1Dn0-00200-00061579-00061815 traffic snarls in the busy areas of the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00201-00061816-00062253 city according to a CIRT report PM PM l v_B4XCu1Dn0-00202-00062254-00062559 needs 18 depots as opposed to 13 in v_B4XCu1Dn0-00203-00062560-00062767 2016-17 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00204-00062769-00063036 recently the development of new depots v_B4XCu1Dn0-00205-00063037-00063240 to solve the parking issue has gained v_B4XCu1Dn0-00206-00063241-00063501 some momentum bus shelters have been v_B4XCu1Dn0-00207-00063502-00063735 criticised for their condition lack of v_B4XCu1Dn0-00208-00063736-00064411 seats information etc v_B4XCu1Dn0-00209-00064412-00064987 topic safety and accidents v_B4XCu1Dn0-00210-00064988-00065353 in 2017-18 several buses caught fire v_B4XCu1Dn0-00211-00065354-00065590 which has put a big question mark on the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00212-00065591-00065980 safety of commuters between January 2017 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00213-00065981-00066328 and March 2018 a period of 15 months the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00214-00066329-00066568 number of such incidents had reached 16 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00215-00066569-00066882 with almost one incident per month in an v_B4XCu1Dn0-00216-00066883-00067084 answer to a query submitted under the v_B4XCu1Dn0-00217-00067085-00067293 Right to Information Act it was revealed v_B4XCu1Dn0-00218-00067294-00067656 that PM PML owns only 124 fire v_B4XCu1Dn0-00219-00067657-00067861 extinguishers and most buses have v_B4XCu1Dn0-00220-00067862-00068080 neither undergone a fire safety audit v_B4XCu1Dn0-00221-00068081-00068355 nor do they have any fire extinguishers v_B4XCu1Dn0-00222-00068356-00068629 PMP m/l have claimed that fire v_B4XCu1Dn0-00223-00068630-00068838 extinguishers on the buses are prone to v_B4XCu1Dn0-00224-00068839-00069205 theft PM PML announced that all of its v_B4XCu1Dn0-00225-00069206-00069450 buses and facilities will undergo a fire v_B4XCu1Dn0-00226-00069451-00069646 safety audit and would be equipped with v_B4XCu1Dn0-00227-00069647-00070120 fire extinguishers by end of May 2018 v_B4XCu1Dn0-00228-00070121-00070465 equals equals nodes vBhg7AXS_Uu-00000-00000017-00000241 the world rugby under-20 championship vBhg7AXS_Uu-00001-00000242-00000494 known as the IRB Junior World vBhg7AXS_Uu-00002-00000495-00000740 Championship until 2014 is an vBhg7AXS_Uu-00003-00000741-00000956 international rugby union competition vBhg7AXS_Uu-00004-00000957-00001229 the event is organized by the sports vBhg7AXS_Uu-00005-00001230-00001448 governing body world rugby and is vBhg7AXS_Uu-00006-00001449-00001684 contested by 12 men's junior national vBhg7AXS_Uu-00007-00001685-00001909 teams with an under-20 age requirement vBhg7AXS_Uu-00008-00001910-00002218 this event replaced the IR B's former vBhg7AXS_Uu-00009-00002219-00002414 age/grade World Championships the vBhg7AXS_Uu-00010-00002415-00002617 under-19 and under-21 world vBhg7AXS_Uu-00011-00002618-00002891 championships the inaugural tournament vBhg7AXS_Uu-00012-00002892-00003224 was held in June 2008 hosted by Wales vBhg7AXS_Uu-00013-00003225-00003560 and with 16 teams participating Wales vBhg7AXS_Uu-00014-00003561-00003758 was announced 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so these chopped here let me just go vBKtK9R6b5U-00001-00001388-00001639 over just of what we have done so far vBKtK9R6b5U-00002-00001639-00001873 essentially we have make it making a vBKtK9R6b5U-00003-00001875-00002045 flame sheet assumption in this problem vBKtK9R6b5U-00004-00002046-00002489 of co flowing fill an oxidizer at the vBKtK9R6b5U-00005-00002490-00002968 same velocity and so the flame sheet vBKtK9R6b5U-00006-00002969-00003220 assumption basically is a infinite trait vBKtK9R6b5U-00007-00003221-00003379 chemistry assumption or infinite vBKtK9R6b5U-00008-00003380-00003736 kinetics and that basically boils down vBKtK9R6b5U-00009-00003738-00004019 to the mixing problem and we adopt this vBKtK9R6b5U-00010-00004020-00004231 notion called the mixed is burnt vBKtK9R6b5U-00011-00004232-00004706 approach as far as this this solution is vBKtK9R6b5U-00012-00004707-00004913 concerned so if you now solve only the vBKtK9R6b5U-00013-00004914-00005104 mixing problem all we need to do is to vBKtK9R6b5U-00014-00005105-00005297 locate the struggle stoichiometric vBKtK9R6b5U-00015-00005298-00005477 surface in order to get the flame shape vBKtK9R6b5U-00016-00005478-00005870 so we just take the fuel and oxidizer vBKtK9R6b5U-00017-00005871-00006059 species conservation equations in the vBKtK9R6b5U-00018-00006060-00006400 schwab Zeldovich formulation and form vBKtK9R6b5U-00019-00006401-00006725 the alphas corresponding to them for a vBKtK9R6b5U-00020-00006726-00006977 one-step chemistry of new FF plus nu 0 vBKtK9R6b5U-00021-00006978-00007355 gives p and and then of course you you vBKtK9R6b5U-00022-00007356-00007564 also manipulate the right-hand side to vBKtK9R6b5U-00023-00007565-00007828 look the same in these two equations and vBKtK9R6b5U-00024-00007829-00008128 for alpha and then you now have the shop vBKtK9R6b5U-00025-00008129-00008449 Zeldovich coupling function beta that is vBKtK9R6b5U-00026-00008450-00008753 formed as alpha F minus alpha 0 and then vBKtK9R6b5U-00027-00008754-00008939 you get a homogeneous linear equation vBKtK9R6b5U-00028-00008940-00009592 for beta and if you now unwrap this vBKtK9R6b5U-00029-00009593-00009866 vector equation sorry vector calculus vBKtK9R6b5U-00030-00009867-00010121 equation in terms of vector vector in vBKtK9R6b5U-00031-00010122-00010262 this equation in terms of a car I'd vBKtK9R6b5U-00032-00010263-00010649 entities in in terms of cylindrical vBKtK9R6b5U-00033-00010650-00010885 polar coordinates and then we also have vBKtK9R6b5U-00034-00010886-00011017 the fourth assumption that we listed vBKtK9R6b5U-00035-00011018-00011278 which is to neglect axial diffusion in vBKtK9R6b5U-00036-00011279-00011585 preference preference to radial vBKtK9R6b5U-00037-00011586-00011795 diffusion then we are left with these vBKtK9R6b5U-00038-00011796-00012008 two terms so these two terms basically vBKtK9R6b5U-00039-00012009-00012317 signify the balance between axial vBKtK9R6b5U-00040-00012318-00012584 convection and radial diffusion so vBKtK9R6b5U-00041-00012585-00012824 essentially the governing equation boils vBKtK9R6b5U-00042-00012825-00012988 down to this particular balance that we vBKtK9R6b5U-00043-00012989-00013216 have been discussing that dictates the vBKtK9R6b5U-00044-00013218-00013299 flame shape vBKtK9R6b5U-00045-00013300-00013584 we will talk about pretty soon we will vBKtK9R6b5U-00046-00013585-00013755 talk about what is the consequence of vBKtK9R6b5U-00047-00013756-00014187 retaining axial diffusion as well but vBKtK9R6b5U-00048-00014188-00014487 just proceed this equation now is vBKtK9R6b5U-00049-00014488-00014676 first-order inzer than to second order vBKtK9R6b5U-00050-00014677-00014868 and are that means it requires one vBKtK9R6b5U-00051-00014869-00015054 boundary condition and Z and two vBKtK9R6b5U-00052-00015055-00015408 boundary conditions in our and more vBKtK9R6b5U-00053-00015409-00015630 moreover scences the boundary conditions vBKtK9R6b5U-00054-00015631-00016071 that they can supply or at least two at vBKtK9R6b5U-00055-00016072-00016238 most two one order less than the leading vBKtK9R6b5U-00056-00016240-00016416 order so the reading order here is vBKtK9R6b5U-00057-00016417-00016701 second order or that means we can supply vBKtK9R6b5U-00058-00016702-00016872 boundary conditions in the value of beta vBKtK9R6b5U-00059-00016873-00017105 or its derivative its first derivative vBKtK9R6b5U-00060-00017106-00017412 and the first derivative in beta vBKtK9R6b5U-00061-00017413-00017691 signifies diffusion mass flux because if vBKtK9R6b5U-00062-00017692-00017928 you now go back and see beta is alpha F vBKtK9R6b5U-00063-00017929-00018156 minus alpha 0 alpha alphas are basically vBKtK9R6b5U-00064-00018157-00018483 why ice with the normalization therefore vBKtK9R6b5U-00065-00018484-00018759 a derivative in the first derivative and vBKtK9R6b5U-00066-00018760-00018944 beta will essentially boil down to vBKtK9R6b5U-00067-00018945-00019182 indicating a first derivative in Y ice vBKtK9R6b5U-00068-00019183-00019374 which essentially means diffusion mass vBKtK9R6b5U-00069-00019375-00019659 flux in terms of the ficks law to which vBKtK9R6b5U-00070-00019660-00019803 we have reduced Abdullah which vBKtK9R6b5U-00071-00019804-00020472 formulation and since the the desert vBKtK9R6b5U-00072-00020473-00020709 boundary condition is only to first vBKtK9R6b5U-00073-00020710-00020975 order we can supply boundary conditions vBKtK9R6b5U-00074-00020976-00021168 only in the value we can't supply vBKtK9R6b5U-00075-00021169-00021312 boundary conditions in the derivative vBKtK9R6b5U-00076-00021313-00021492 this is going to be pretty important for vBKtK9R6b5U-00077-00021493-00021708 us to think about when we start looking vBKtK9R6b5U-00078-00021709-00022017 at retaining axial diffusion sometime vBKtK9R6b5U-00079-00022018-00022242 later but at this stage we are vBKtK9R6b5U-00080-00022243-00022400 recognizing that we need to have two vBKtK9R6b5U-00081-00022401-00022553 boundary conditions either in the value vBKtK9R6b5U-00082-00022554-00022956 or derivative for beta in our a tool to vBKtK9R6b5U-00083-00022957-00023225 boundaries of or which are or equal to 0 vBKtK9R6b5U-00084-00023226-00023453 and or equal to B or equal to 0 is the vBKtK9R6b5U-00085-00023454-00023691 center line or equal to B is the outer vBKtK9R6b5U-00086-00023692-00024021 damn outer duct radius and in both the vBKtK9R6b5U-00087-00024022-00024231 cases it turns out of course this is a vBKtK9R6b5U-00088-00024232-00024522 Norman boundary condition required for vBKtK9R6b5U-00089-00024523-00024786 symmetry and this is a no mass flux vBKtK9R6b5U-00090-00024787-00024953 penetrating the wall because the wall is vBKtK9R6b5U-00091-00024954-00025158 say rigid wall its owner it's a vBKtK9R6b5U-00092-00025159-00025322 non-porous wall and you're not looking vBKtK9R6b5U-00093-00025323-00025719 at any penetration of mass by diffusion vBKtK9R6b5U-00094-00025720-00025889 there therefore these are the boundary vBKtK9R6b5U-00095-00025891-00026268 conditions and we can look at boundary vBKtK9R6b5U-00096-00026269-00026483 conditions the first derivative now if vBKtK9R6b5U-00097-00026484-00026749 you now have these two boundaries vBKtK9R6b5U-00098-00026750-00026967 subjected to Norman boundary conditions vBKtK9R6b5U-00099-00026968-00027198 we have to make sure that the other vBKtK9R6b5U-00100-00027199-00027365 boundary that we are looking at which is vBKtK9R6b5U-00101-00027366-00027727 z equal to zero for these are boundary vBKtK9R6b5U-00102-00027728-00027999 is provided with the district condition vBKtK9R6b5U-00103-00028000-00028242 and thats what is actually required you vBKtK9R6b5U-00104-00028243-00028473 can't provide a Norman boundary vBKtK9R6b5U-00105-00028474-00028677 condition but when you now think about a vBKtK9R6b5U-00106-00028677-00028914 axial diffusion taking an account you vBKtK9R6b5U-00107-00028914-00029118 will also have a second-order insert vBKtK9R6b5U-00108-00029119-00029268 which will admit two boundary conditions vBKtK9R6b5U-00109-00029269-00029580 up to first order in beta but at that vBKtK9R6b5U-00110-00029581-00029846 stage we can't give normal boundary vBKtK9R6b5U-00111-00029847-00030012 conditions everywhere then you will have vBKtK9R6b5U-00112-00030013-00030276 a non unique solution therefore we will vBKtK9R6b5U-00113-00030277-00030417 think about the kind of boundary vBKtK9R6b5U-00114-00030418-00030633 conditions admitted in that case next vBKtK9R6b5U-00115-00030633-00030912 but at this stage we can only provide vBKtK9R6b5U-00116-00030913-00031193 duration a boundary conditions for this vBKtK9R6b5U-00117-00031194-00032295 and in beta so need one bc in exert at z vBKtK9R6b5U-00118-00032295-00032920 equal to 0 so ads are equal to zero vBKtK9R6b5U-00119-00032921-00033830 which is say directly data which should vBKtK9R6b5U-00120-00033831-00034114 be in the form of digital data so that vBKtK9R6b5U-00121-00034115-00034482 is our equal to 0 we have to now say vBKtK9R6b5U-00122-00034483-00034849 what should be the value of beta right vBKtK9R6b5U-00123-00034850-00035151 so we now have to go back and look at vBKtK9R6b5U-00124-00035152-00035396 how to form our beta beta is alpha F vBKtK9R6b5U-00125-00035397-00035789 minus alpha oh right and what we find is vBKtK9R6b5U-00126-00035790-00036087 if you are now looking at z equal to 0 vBKtK9R6b5U-00127-00036088-00036312 that is at the that the same plane as vBKtK9R6b5U-00128-00036313-00036593 the lip of the inner duct where the fuel vBKtK9R6b5U-00129-00036594-00036723 is coming in and beginning to mix with vBKtK9R6b5U-00130-00036724-00036974 the oxidizer from the outer duct so and vBKtK9R6b5U-00131-00036975-00037349 we have to now look at how this the beta vBKtK9R6b5U-00132-00037350-00037826 should span from zero to be across R vBKtK9R6b5U-00133-00037827-00038205 equal to a so what we find is between vBKtK9R6b5U-00134-00038206-00038520 zero R equals 0 and r equals a you have vBKtK9R6b5U-00135-00038521-00038814 only fuel at a mass fraction of wife not vBKtK9R6b5U-00136-00038815-00039068 and you don't have any oxidizer vBKtK9R6b5U-00137-00039069-00039398 therefore your y 0 is 0 and you are vBKtK9R6b5U-00138-00039399-00039737 therefore alpha 0 is 0 so if alpha 0 is vBKtK9R6b5U-00139-00039738-00040065 0 you only or left with alpha F so beta vBKtK9R6b5U-00140-00040066-00040962 beta would be Y F naught divided by w f vBKtK9R6b5U-00141-00040963-00041612 nu F right with a negative sign because vBKtK9R6b5U-00142-00041613-00042318 you have a new new I single Primus new F vBKtK9R6b5U-00143-00042319-00042465 and you have a denominator and you I vBKtK9R6b5U-00144-00042466-00042708 double prime minus nu I single prime new vBKtK9R6b5U-00145-00042709-00042897 I double prime is 0 so you have a vBKtK9R6b5U-00146-00042898-00043119 negative sign over here therefore we are vBKtK9R6b5U-00147-00043120-00043386 going to get a negative sign there this vBKtK9R6b5U-00148-00043387-00043980 is for 0 less than or less than a now if vBKtK9R6b5U-00149-00043981-00044166 you now go back to what happens between vBKtK9R6b5U-00150-00044167-00044529 r equal to a to R equals B you have all vBKtK9R6b5U-00151-00044530-00044850 oxidizer that means you have a why oh vBKtK9R6b5U-00152-00044851-00045219 not over here but you have Y F naught is vBKtK9R6b5U-00153-00045220-00045506 0 right so if you now go back and see vBKtK9R6b5U-00154-00045507-00046124 your alpha 0 with the alpha 0 not and vBKtK9R6b5U-00155-00046125-00046539 your alpha alpha F would be 0 all right vBKtK9R6b5U-00156-00046540-00046737 so if you now plug alpha F equal to 0 vBKtK9R6b5U-00157-00046738-00047016 and as 40 is equal alpha 0 not and alpha vBKtK9R6b5U-00158-00047017-00047334 or not is nothing but y ou not / wo new vBKtK9R6b5U-00159-00047335-00047544 over with a negative sign and then you vBKtK9R6b5U-00160-00047545-00047760 have a negative sign here as well right vBKtK9R6b5U-00161-00047761-00048192 so therefore you will get a plus y ou vBKtK9R6b5U-00162-00048193-00048825 not / wo new oh this is for our a less vBKtK9R6b5U-00163-00048826-00049254 than or less than B so what this really vBKtK9R6b5U-00164-00049255-00050004 means is you have now a jump in the vBKtK9R6b5U-00165-00050005-00050489 value of beta at or equal to a all right vBKtK9R6b5U-00166-00050490-00050949 it's it's it's good as continuous but vBKtK9R6b5U-00167-00050950-00051096 that's exactly what the mixing problem vBKtK9R6b5U-00168-00051097-00051369 is all about you have all fuels on one vBKtK9R6b5U-00169-00051370-00051558 side you have all oxidizer on the other vBKtK9R6b5U-00170-00051559-00051744 side and they are now going to make vBKtK9R6b5U-00171-00051745-00052029 intermix right so and the mixing is vBKtK9R6b5U-00172-00052029-00052154 essentially by diffusion and diffusion vBKtK9R6b5U-00173-00052155-00052358 is essentially a transport process and vBKtK9R6b5U-00174-00052359-00052632 like any any other transport phenomena vBKtK9R6b5U-00175-00052633-00052955 the job of diffusion is to mix things vBKtK9R6b5U-00176-00052957-00053228 and II now even out discontinuities vBKtK9R6b5U-00177-00053229-00053405 right so vBKtK9R6b5U-00178-00053407-00053717 it is okay to admit discontinuities at vBKtK9R6b5U-00179-00053719-00054005 the boundary so what's going to happen vBKtK9R6b5U-00180-00054007-00054258 is you have all fuel all oxidizers so vBKtK9R6b5U-00181-00054259-00054429 the beta is discontinuous at the vBKtK9R6b5U-00182-00054429-00054648 boundary but as you now get into the vBKtK9R6b5U-00183-00054649-00054975 domain the job of this governing vBKtK9R6b5U-00184-00054976-00055227 equation particularly this term is to vBKtK9R6b5U-00185-00055228-00055374 even out or smooth them out this vBKtK9R6b5U-00186-00055375-00055878 discontinuity all right so that is all vBKtK9R6b5U-00187-00055879-00056421 right so considering that we have these vBKtK9R6b5U-00188-00056422-00056642 boundary conditions the next step that vBKtK9R6b5U-00189-00056644-00057416 we want to do is to non-dimensionalize vBKtK9R6b5U-00190-00057416-00057735 non-dimensionalize this equation now vBKtK9R6b5U-00191-00057736-00058152 many times as a student you feel that vBKtK9R6b5U-00192-00058153-00058362 this is this kind of a burden like why vBKtK9R6b5U-00193-00058363-00058589 would I want to do that can I can I just vBKtK9R6b5U-00194-00058590-00058878 go ahead and solve this right away the vBKtK9R6b5U-00195-00058879-00059220 answer is sometimes non dimensional non vBKtK9R6b5U-00196-00059221-00059466 dimensional ization is done for elegance vBKtK9R6b5U-00197-00059466-00059670 so your governing equation will look vBKtK9R6b5U-00198-00059671-00059850 very very nice as if it has been to a vBKtK9R6b5U-00199-00059851-00060230 hairdresser the other times most most vBKtK9R6b5U-00200-00060232-00060516 most important technical reason from an vBKtK9R6b5U-00201-00060516-00060747 engineering point of view is you can now vBKtK9R6b5U-00202-00060748-00060912 actually come up with non dimensional vBKtK9R6b5U-00203-00060913-00061128 parameters and the non-dimensional vBKtK9R6b5U-00204-00061129-00061290 parameters are essentially a group of vBKtK9R6b5U-00205-00061291-00061512 quantities so which which are now vBKtK9R6b5U-00206-00061513-00061683 grouped together in such a way that it's vBKtK9R6b5U-00207-00061684-00061836 okay to vary one of them and not vBKtK9R6b5U-00208-00061837-00062097 necessarily the other or you can vary vBKtK9R6b5U-00209-00062098-00062253 vary them in combinations so that the vBKtK9R6b5U-00210-00062254-00062445 non dimensional number is remaining vBKtK9R6b5U-00211-00062446-00062658 constant and so on so you can begin to vBKtK9R6b5U-00212-00062659-00062937 see how the different parameters that vBKtK9R6b5U-00213-00062938-00063099 are in the actual problem can group vBKtK9R6b5U-00214-00063100-00063327 together in influencing the solution and vBKtK9R6b5U-00215-00063328-00063495 the solution that you obtain could be vBKtK9R6b5U-00216-00063496-00063639 just obtained for one value of the vBKtK9R6b5U-00217-00063640-00063849 parameter as a whole non-dimensional vBKtK9R6b5U-00218-00063850-00064026 parameters or you don't have to do DD do vBKtK9R6b5U-00219-00064027-00064227 this for many different parameters which vBKtK9R6b5U-00220-00064228-00064365 are non dimensional which are not non vBKtK9R6b5U-00221-00064366-00064716 dimensionalized so it's pretty good here vBKtK9R6b5U-00222-00064716-00065025 to basically say that let's now say sigh vBKtK9R6b5U-00223-00065026-00065643 equals or divided by B now because you vBKtK9R6b5U-00224-00065644-00065910 have a characteristic length scale in vBKtK9R6b5U-00225-00065911-00066141 the or direction you can non vBKtK9R6b5U-00226-00066142-00066447 dimensionalize by that fortunately in vBKtK9R6b5U-00227-00066448-00066868 this problem since you have neglected vBKtK9R6b5U-00228-00066869-00067268 Radio axial diffusion right a neglected vBKtK9R6b5U-00229-00067269-00067506 axial diffusion it's a infinitely long vBKtK9R6b5U-00230-00067507-00067881 duct so pretty much do not have a good vBKtK9R6b5U-00231-00067882-00068154 length scale corresponding to the radial vBKtK9R6b5U-00232-00068155-00068444 the the axial direction it is almost vBKtK9R6b5U-00233-00068445-00068657 infinite right so what you are basically vBKtK9R6b5U-00234-00068658-00068882 looking for is what is the diffusion vBKtK9R6b5U-00235-00068883-00069176 length scale because that is a process vBKtK9R6b5U-00236-00069177-00069338 that we are basically looking at in fact vBKtK9R6b5U-00237-00069339-00069599 what we should be looking at is what is vBKtK9R6b5U-00238-00069600-00069830 a competition between diffusion and vBKtK9R6b5U-00239-00069831-00070086 convection or how fast are we able to vBKtK9R6b5U-00240-00070087-00070469 diffuse as we are convecting okay it's vBKtK9R6b5U-00241-00070470-00070653 kind of like a race between the two the vBKtK9R6b5U-00242-00070654-00070880 question is how much could have diffused vBKtK9R6b5U-00243-00070881-00071217 out how this way while I am convecting vBKtK9R6b5U-00244-00071218-00071460 at a particular rate that is now going vBKtK9R6b5U-00245-00071461-00071594 to give me a certain length scale vBKtK9R6b5U-00246-00071595-00071968 associated with this right so that's vBKtK9R6b5U-00247-00071969-00072356 going to be made by saying if I now have vBKtK9R6b5U-00248-00072357-00073251 my ETA equals Zod vBKtK9R6b5U-00249-00073252-00073789 let's say Z by u divided by B squared vBKtK9R6b5U-00250-00073790-00074236 over D right so sup by you is vBKtK9R6b5U-00251-00074237-00074653 essentially a a convective length scale vBKtK9R6b5U-00252-00074654-00075022 and b square by D keep in mind d has vBKtK9R6b5U-00253-00075023-00075196 units of luck meter squared per second vBKtK9R6b5U-00254-00075197-00075532 right so B squared as meters this media vBKtK9R6b5U-00255-00075533-00075736 meter squared therefore this has a units vBKtK9R6b5U-00256-00075737-00076186 of time alright and so that by you also vBKtK9R6b5U-00257-00076187-00076438 has units of time and therefore ETA vBKtK9R6b5U-00258-00076439-00076681 becomes non dimensional but in this the vBKtK9R6b5U-00259-00076682-00077038 only variable is zone ok so the farther vBKtK9R6b5U-00260-00077039-00077380 you go and as you convect you know how vBKtK9R6b5U-00261-00077381-00077623 your the more time you are taking but in vBKtK9R6b5U-00262-00077624-00077851 this time you are also defusing this way vBKtK9R6b5U-00263-00077852-00078070 that's because b is the length scale vBKtK9R6b5U-00264-00078071-00078343 corresponding to diffusion because the vBKtK9R6b5U-00265-00078344-00078589 diffusion is predominantly radial right vBKtK9R6b5U-00266-00078590-00078828 so if you want to put these two together vBKtK9R6b5U-00267-00078829-00079792 then this is a the z / you be square as vBKtK9R6b5U-00268-00079793-00079924 a matter of fact you could begin to vBKtK9R6b5U-00269-00079925-00080373 think about this s if i were to say i vBKtK9R6b5U-00270-00080374-00080686 don't know any of this let's say I know vBKtK9R6b5U-00271-00080687-00081064 I'm not interested in thinking about the vBKtK9R6b5U-00272-00081065-00081337 actual problem the professor asked me to vBKtK9R6b5U-00273-00081338-00081703 non-dimensionalize ICB as my parameter vBKtK9R6b5U-00274-00081704-00081955 ready the length scale here and that vBKtK9R6b5U-00275-00081956-00082174 fitted and fairly well with a I canter vBKtK9R6b5U-00276-00082175-00082315 you do we will do the same thing with vBKtK9R6b5U-00277-00082316-00082555 ETA I would like to think of this as vBKtK9R6b5U-00278-00082556-00082915 just said maybe then you have all the vBKtK9R6b5U-00279-00082916-00083098 stuff sticking out which is essentially vBKtK9R6b5U-00280-00083099-00083482 d / you be now you be divided by D vBKtK9R6b5U-00281-00083483-00083869 essentially is the counterpart of your vBKtK9R6b5U-00282-00083870-00084133 reynolds number that you would use in in vBKtK9R6b5U-00283-00084134-00084424 momentum mixing but here this is species vBKtK9R6b5U-00284-00084425-00084679 mixing so you would actually have to use vBKtK9R6b5U-00285-00084680-00084967 the pic lame-ass transfer number which vBKtK9R6b5U-00286-00084968-00085141 is the corresponding part of this so vBKtK9R6b5U-00287-00085142-00085755 this is 1 a 1 over quickly where PE is vBKtK9R6b5U-00288-00085756-00086421 you be divided by d vBKtK9R6b5U-00289-00086422-00086872 right so from here we can begin to think vBKtK9R6b5U-00290-00086873-00087417 if Pecola is kind of small all right vBKtK9R6b5U-00291-00087418-00087918 then ETA becomes proportionately larger vBKtK9R6b5U-00292-00087919-00088354 okay so Pekel a small is basically vBKtK9R6b5U-00293-00088355-00088707 meaning that you have less convection vBKtK9R6b5U-00294-00088708-00089181 relative to diffusion so you would vBKtK9R6b5U-00295-00089182-00089425 expect that you have more more diffusion vBKtK9R6b5U-00296-00089426-00089743 happening this way but less convection vBKtK9R6b5U-00297-00089744-00089929 happening that way so you should vBKtK9R6b5U-00298-00089930-00090166 actually be able to get your flame to be vBKtK9R6b5U-00299-00090167-00090282 shorter so that is what you should vBKtK9R6b5U-00300-00090283-00090522 expect for smaller peclet numbers vBKtK9R6b5U-00301-00090523-00090787 because you're not going too far along vBKtK9R6b5U-00302-00090788-00091026 the convective path rather you are vBKtK9R6b5U-00303-00091027-00091210 diffusing so your your flame should all vBKtK9R6b5U-00304-00091211-00091413 be confined to closer to the burner vBKtK9R6b5U-00305-00091414-00091615 because you have diffused a lot there vBKtK9R6b5U-00306-00091616-00091885 for a smaller peclet number will vBKtK9R6b5U-00307-00091886-00092203 correspond to a a shorter flame vBKtK9R6b5U-00308-00092204-00092530 effectively and we are trying to cover vBKtK9R6b5U-00309-00092531-00092740 the shorter flame by artificially vBKtK9R6b5U-00310-00092741-00092992 blowing up the ETA having is one over vBKtK9R6b5U-00311-00092993-00093250 quickly there is actually so effectively vBKtK9R6b5U-00312-00093251-00093696 this takes into account the DAR effect vBKtK9R6b5U-00313-00093697-00093988 but your governing equations don't take vBKtK9R6b5U-00314-00093989-00094182 into account axial diffusion so that's vBKtK9R6b5U-00315-00094183-00094350 something that you have to keep in mind vBKtK9R6b5U-00316-00094351-00094600 that's what should really make the flame vBKtK9R6b5U-00317-00094601-00094743 shorter strictly speaking how the vBKtK9R6b5U-00318-00094744-00095063 governing equation turns out to be vBKtK9R6b5U-00319-00095064-00095490 further you can form some more vBKtK9R6b5U-00320-00095491-00095875 non-dimensional parameters let C be vBKtK9R6b5U-00321-00095876-00096334 equal to a by B and I will make a big vBKtK9R6b5U-00322-00096335-00096610 deal about this and the next one which vBKtK9R6b5U-00323-00096611-00097450 is nu equals alpha oh not divided by vBKtK9R6b5U-00324-00097451-00098116 alpha F not okay alpha oh not divided by vBKtK9R6b5U-00325-00098117-00098260 alpha F naught if you want to now go vBKtK9R6b5U-00326-00098261-00098674 back and see what those are this is vBKtK9R6b5U-00327-00098675-00099018 nothing but vBKtK9R6b5U-00328-00099019-00099414 alpha f naught would be Y F naught vBKtK9R6b5U-00329-00099415-00099606 divided by W I knew I with a negative vBKtK9R6b5U-00330-00099607-00099894 sine alpha oh not would be Y F naught y vBKtK9R6b5U-00331-00099895-00100128 ou not / wo nouveau with a negative sign vBKtK9R6b5U-00332-00100129-00100335 so the negative signs cancel each other vBKtK9R6b5U-00333-00100336-00100569 all you are going again be dealing with vBKtK9R6b5U-00334-00100570-00101541 this y ou not / wo / y f naught divided vBKtK9R6b5U-00335-00101542-00102450 by w f you f all right and we will come vBKtK9R6b5U-00336-00102451-00102935 back to this this and this quite soon we vBKtK9R6b5U-00337-00102936-00103193 have non dimensionalized or we have non vBKtK9R6b5U-00338-00103194-00103416 dimensionalize Z and then we have a vBKtK9R6b5U-00339-00103417-00103617 couple of now new non-dimensional vBKtK9R6b5U-00340-00103618-00103934 parameters in the problem but we are not vBKtK9R6b5U-00341-00103935-00104659 non dimensionalize beta ok so let gamma vBKtK9R6b5U-00342-00104660-00105083 be equal to beta divided by alpha F vBKtK9R6b5U-00343-00105084-00105375 naught that is to say if you know were vBKtK9R6b5U-00344-00105376-00105627 to basically go back and say as we just vBKtK9R6b5U-00345-00105628-00105819 have to pick one of those two right we vBKtK9R6b5U-00346-00105820-00106041 just pick alpha F not so beta divided by vBKtK9R6b5U-00347-00106042-00106221 alpha F naught would be alpha F divided vBKtK9R6b5U-00348-00106222-00106395 by alpha F naught minus alpha all vBKtK9R6b5U-00349-00106396-00106644 divided by alpha or not is what we are vBKtK9R6b5U-00350-00106645-00107009 going to so 0 alpha 0 FF not ok so you vBKtK9R6b5U-00351-00107010-00107271 just have a lyf not a day in the vBKtK9R6b5U-00352-00107272-00107538 denominator just to go with this you can vBKtK9R6b5U-00353-00107539-00107826 also see that this goes with this here vBKtK9R6b5U-00354-00107827-00108024 we have divided FF not in the vBKtK9R6b5U-00355-00108025-00108231 denominator therefore we are using this vBKtK9R6b5U-00356-00108232-00108390 so that the way the new is defined is vBKtK9R6b5U-00357-00108391-00108692 how that way gamma is also defined ok vBKtK9R6b5U-00358-00108693-00108963 now the interesting thing if you now do vBKtK9R6b5U-00359-00108964-00109751 all these things the governing equation vBKtK9R6b5U-00360-00109752-00110192 then becomes vBKtK9R6b5U-00361-00110193-00111047 then becomes dou dou gamma by dou ETA vBKtK9R6b5U-00362-00111048-00112008 equals 10 verse i dou by dou chi of psy vBKtK9R6b5U-00363-00112008-00112647 yo gamma by yokai so essentially we got vBKtK9R6b5U-00364-00112648-00113193 rid of you by d completely alright so vBKtK9R6b5U-00365-00113194-00113400 that is because that information is vBKtK9R6b5U-00366-00113401-00113856 actually buried in eater we have scaled vBKtK9R6b5U-00367-00113857-00114063 a rita corresponding to the competition vBKtK9R6b5U-00368-00114064-00114240 between axial convection and radial vBKtK9R6b5U-00369-00114241-00114515 diffusion that's what this signifies vBKtK9R6b5U-00370-00114516-00114836 right so we now have a very nice-looking vBKtK9R6b5U-00371-00114838-00115146 equation without any parameters so this vBKtK9R6b5U-00372-00115147-00115440 solution is now going to give you so vBKtK9R6b5U-00373-00115441-00115638 this equation is now going to give you a vBKtK9R6b5U-00374-00115639-00115808 solution without any parameters except vBKtK9R6b5U-00375-00115809-00115995 the boundary conditions are now going to vBKtK9R6b5U-00376-00115996-00116255 carry some parameters so what are they vBKtK9R6b5U-00377-00116256-00116916 the boundary conditions are the non vBKtK9R6b5U-00378-00116917-00117621 dimensional boundary conditions are so vBKtK9R6b5U-00379-00117622-00117746 now we have to write in terms of gamma vBKtK9R6b5U-00380-00117747-00118308 so gamma equals well let's first write vBKtK9R6b5U-00381-00118308-00118854 the Neyman besiege 4x I that's very very vBKtK9R6b5U-00382-00118855-00119541 easy at sigh equal to zero we have dou vBKtK9R6b5U-00383-00119542-00121131 gamma by do looks i equal to 0 and at y vBKtK9R6b5U-00384-00121132-00121677 equals 1 we have vBKtK9R6b5U-00385-00121678-00122156 do gamma by docs i equal to 0 for all vBKtK9R6b5U-00386-00122157-00122517 either greater than zero right in fact vBKtK9R6b5U-00387-00122518-00122730 we should have gone back and said right vBKtK9R6b5U-00388-00122731-00123627 here for on z greater than zero that vBKtK9R6b5U-00389-00123628-00123846 that's true for the entire domain vBKtK9R6b5U-00390-00123847-00124407 further out then so this this is the vBKtK9R6b5U-00391-00124408-00124764 boundary condition for sy in so for vBKtK9R6b5U-00392-00124765-00125064 gamma in sy but what happens to gamma in vBKtK9R6b5U-00393-00125065-00125759 eater right so n gamma we now have to vBKtK9R6b5U-00394-00125760-00125916 translate this boundary condition in vBKtK9R6b5U-00395-00125917-00126258 non-dimensional form that simply turns vBKtK9R6b5U-00396-00126258-00126894 out to be 1 recall we can't this is vBKtK9R6b5U-00397-00126895-00127436 basically this is basically alpha F not vBKtK9R6b5U-00398-00127438-00127806 okay and then we just form a gamma by vBKtK9R6b5U-00399-00127807-00128019 dividing by alpha f not so we need to vBKtK9R6b5U-00400-00128020-00128261 get a or do we do we have a negative vBKtK9R6b5U-00401-00128263-00129015 sign with the negative sign is alpha if vBKtK9R6b5U-00402-00129016-00129225 not ok so with the negative sign is vBKtK9R6b5U-00403-00129226-00129378 alpha if not and we just divided by vBKtK9R6b5U-00404-00129379-00129588 alpha F naught therefore you simply get vBKtK9R6b5U-00405-00129589-00129993 a 1 and similarly if you now go back and vBKtK9R6b5U-00406-00129994-00130275 plug in here this is actually minus vBKtK9R6b5U-00407-00130276-00130610 alpha 0 not okay with me the positive vBKtK9R6b5U-00408-00130611-00130866 sign this is minus alpha 0 not and then vBKtK9R6b5U-00409-00130867-00131097 for trying to find the gamma u divided vBKtK9R6b5U-00410-00131098-00131406 by alpha F not so minus alpha 0 not vBKtK9R6b5U-00411-00131407-00131556 divided by alpha F naught is nothing but vBKtK9R6b5U-00412-00131557-00132075 minus nu ok but where are they we can vBKtK9R6b5U-00413-00132076-00132488 now write this is actually 0 less than vBKtK9R6b5U-00414-00132489-00133148 stylers in c.c less than Silas than one vBKtK9R6b5U-00415-00133149-00133557 so even though your governing equation vBKtK9R6b5U-00416-00133558-00133857 did not have any parameters there are a vBKtK9R6b5U-00417-00133858-00134043 couple of parameters that have crept vBKtK9R6b5U-00418-00134044-00134510 into the problem in terms of new and see vBKtK9R6b5U-00419-00134511-00134907 through the boundary conditions all vBKtK9R6b5U-00420-00134908-00135030 right and vBKtK9R6b5U-00421-00135031-00135180 this is going to be very very important vBKtK9R6b5U-00422-00135181-00135354 in fact this is actually only one vBKtK9R6b5U-00423-00135355-00135825 boundary that is set at at ETA equal to vBKtK9R6b5U-00424-00135826-00136548 0 right basically that's the boundary vBKtK9R6b5U-00425-00136549-00136815 that is way that is describing the vBKtK9R6b5U-00426-00136816-00137208 problem for you if you did not have fuel vBKtK9R6b5U-00427-00137209-00137565 and oxidizer initially unmixed entering vBKtK9R6b5U-00428-00137566-00137811 the domain at ETA equal to zero you vBKtK9R6b5U-00429-00137812-00138360 don't have a problem okay so this vBKtK9R6b5U-00430-00138361-00138738 essentially tells you that the fuel and vBKtK9R6b5U-00431-00138739-00138993 oxidizer are in as they enter the domain vBKtK9R6b5U-00432-00138994-00139200 or unmixed and that's what the problem vBKtK9R6b5U-00433-00139201-00139446 is so all the parameters and the problem vBKtK9R6b5U-00434-00139447-00139872 are now reduced to just these two okay vBKtK9R6b5U-00435-00139873-00140394 so with this I'm not going to derive the vBKtK9R6b5U-00436-00140395-00140607 solution for you and I'm going to assume vBKtK9R6b5U-00437-00140608-00140772 that you know how to how to derive this vBKtK9R6b5U-00438-00140773-00141093 okay and then the way to do this is you vBKtK9R6b5U-00439-00141094-00141378 seek a product solution that means you vBKtK9R6b5U-00440-00141379-00141726 now say gamma is a function of gamma is vBKtK9R6b5U-00441-00141727-00142023 now a product of two functions one vBKtK9R6b5U-00442-00142024-00142239 function which is a function only of try vBKtK9R6b5U-00443-00142240-00142431 another function that's a function only vBKtK9R6b5U-00444-00142432-00143024 of ETA so you now have let's say seek vBKtK9R6b5U-00445-00143025-00143961 seek a product solution of the form let vBKtK9R6b5U-00446-00143962-00144363 us suppose gamma equal to sum sum vBKtK9R6b5U-00447-00144364-00144773 function Chi that's only a function of vBKtK9R6b5U-00448-00144774-00145086 psy and another function let's say I vBKtK9R6b5U-00449-00145087-00145590 don't know what's a good symbol well vBKtK9R6b5U-00450-00145591-00146039 could you just go back with anglo-saxon vBKtK9R6b5U-00451-00146040-00146307 variable so it can simply say capital vBKtK9R6b5U-00452-00146308-00146838 xxi and capital y of ETA alright so if vBKtK9R6b5U-00453-00146839-00147078 you did this plug it back on back in vBKtK9R6b5U-00454-00147079-00147231 here go through the product solution vBKtK9R6b5U-00455-00147232-00147492 approach and substitute these boundary vBKtK9R6b5U-00456-00147493-00147756 conditions noting that you are expecting vBKtK9R6b5U-00457-00147757-00148173 to have a a periodic solution in sight vBKtK9R6b5U-00458-00148174-00148332 because you have vBKtK9R6b5U-00459-00148333-00148587 boundary conditions there this is a in vBKtK9R6b5U-00460-00148588-00148770 homogeneous boundary condition here so vBKtK9R6b5U-00461-00148771-00148980 you are not expecting periodic solution vBKtK9R6b5U-00462-00148981-00149295 in ETA and so on you do all those things vBKtK9R6b5U-00463-00149296-00150056 and you can now find the solution to be vBKtK9R6b5U-00464-00150057-00151067 the solution is gamma equal to 1 plus nu vBKtK9R6b5U-00465-00151068-00152196 C squared minus nu plus twice of 1 plus vBKtK9R6b5U-00466-00152197-00152796 nu times C summation n equal to 1 to vBKtK9R6b5U-00467-00152797-00152961 infinity that means it takes integer vBKtK9R6b5U-00468-00152962-00153876 values 1 over Phi nj1 of C Phi n divided vBKtK9R6b5U-00469-00153877-00154707 by G knot of Phi n squared times J vBKtK9R6b5U-00470-00154708-00155432 naught Phi n sy eat ooh the minus Phi N vBKtK9R6b5U-00471-00155433-00156175 squared ETA I don't even understand this vBKtK9R6b5U-00472-00156176-00156476 right well let's let's just go step by vBKtK9R6b5U-00473-00156477-00156608 step I mean of course we are not as vBKtK9R6b5U-00474-00156609-00156734 intelligent as we would like us vBKtK9R6b5U-00475-00156735-00157066 ourselves to be so all these things are vBKtK9R6b5U-00476-00157067-00157295 something that we have seen ok these are vBKtK9R6b5U-00477-00157296-00157453 part of the parameters of the problem vBKtK9R6b5U-00478-00157454-00157760 the first time we encounter a problem vBKtK9R6b5U-00479-00157761-00158276 now is what's Phi n so Phi n is what is vBKtK9R6b5U-00480-00158277-00159064 called as the n20 of j1 of Phi where Jay vBKtK9R6b5U-00481-00159065-00159603 one is is a bessel function right so vBKtK9R6b5U-00482-00159604-00160066 that's a business function of first vBKtK9R6b5U-00483-00160067-00160550 order so obviously then J not is the vBKtK9R6b5U-00484-00160551-00160816 Bethel's function of zeroth order right vBKtK9R6b5U-00485-00160817-00161099 now what is basis functions bezels vBKtK9R6b5U-00486-00161100-00161353 functions are those that look like sines vBKtK9R6b5U-00487-00161354-00161558 and cosines in fact J naught and J one vBKtK9R6b5U-00488-00161559-00161681 would look like science and cosines vBKtK9R6b5U-00489-00161682-00161870 except that they don't have a constant vBKtK9R6b5U-00490-00161871-00162026 amplitude so you will now find that they vBKtK9R6b5U-00491-00162027-00162241 kind of keep decaying but keep vBKtK9R6b5U-00492-00162242-00162454 alternating about the horizontal axis vBKtK9R6b5U-00493-00162455-00162814 right so that's the kind of solution vBKtK9R6b5U-00494-00162815-00162974 that you're going to get and you now vBKtK9R6b5U-00495-00162975-00163181 have a summation over a series of those vBKtK9R6b5U-00496-00163182-00163666 so Phi not sorry Phi n being the end 0 vBKtK9R6b5U-00497-00163667-00164101 of 0 Phi essentially means that this vBKtK9R6b5U-00498-00164102-00164351 function keeps on alternating up and vBKtK9R6b5U-00499-00164352-00164596 down about the horizontal axis at vBKtK9R6b5U-00500-00164597-00165073 specific values of Phi the argument vBKtK9R6b5U-00501-00165074-00165340 right so when you say zeros those are vBKtK9R6b5U-00502-00165341-00165506 the values so where are where all do you vBKtK9R6b5U-00503-00165507-00165777 have the J is going to 0 is essentially vBKtK9R6b5U-00504-00165778-00166147 where you get these values of Phi ok so vBKtK9R6b5U-00505-00166148-00166421 it's kind of like in science & Co so if vBKtK9R6b5U-00506-00166422-00166619 you take a sine wave you know that the vBKtK9R6b5U-00507-00166620-00167033 sine wave passes 0 at 0 / 0 pi 2 pi 3 PI vBKtK9R6b5U-00508-00167034-00167236 4 pi and so on so those are the zeros of vBKtK9R6b5U-00509-00167237-00167549 this design function so similarly we vBKtK9R6b5U-00510-00167550-00167747 will have these what will happen is you vBKtK9R6b5U-00511-00167748-00167902 will find these are not actually equally vBKtK9R6b5U-00512-00167903-00168340 spaced they have a certain pattern all vBKtK9R6b5U-00513-00168341-00168551 right so that's how the bezels function vBKtK9R6b5U-00514-00168552-00168770 behaves and typically we get into a vBKtK9R6b5U-00515-00168771-00168928 business function mainly because you are vBKtK9R6b5U-00516-00168929-00169175 having this kind of a derivative for vBKtK9R6b5U-00517-00169176-00169376 cylindrical polar coordinates and that's vBKtK9R6b5U-00518-00169377-00169580 mainly because we vBKtK9R6b5U-00519-00169581-00169952 using axisymmetric pipes if instead if vBKtK9R6b5U-00520-00169953-00170282 you now had like vertical plates like vBKtK9R6b5U-00521-00170283-00170561 channels right you will see you will not vBKtK9R6b5U-00522-00170562-00170746 have a complicated looking derivative vBKtK9R6b5U-00523-00170747-00171193 for the laplacian you will simply have a vBKtK9R6b5U-00524-00171194-00171458 partial square beta divided by partial vBKtK9R6b5U-00525-00171459-00171617 square or partial square gamma divided vBKtK9R6b5U-00526-00171618-00171875 by partial square sigh partial try vBKtK9R6b5U-00527-00171876-00172175 squared and you will get signs sines and vBKtK9R6b5U-00528-00172176-00172382 cosines and typically for these kinds of vBKtK9R6b5U-00529-00172383-00172484 boundary conditions you should get vBKtK9R6b5U-00530-00172485-00172874 cosine a cosine function here and that vBKtK9R6b5U-00531-00172875-00173254 would actually imply that we are fitting vBKtK9R6b5U-00532-00173255-00173486 strictly speaking what it really means vBKtK9R6b5U-00533-00173487-00173642 is we are fitting this particular vBKtK9R6b5U-00534-00173643-00174080 discontinuity by a Fourier expansion and vBKtK9R6b5U-00535-00174081-00174508 then letting the Fourier expansion DK vBKtK9R6b5U-00536-00174509-00174776 okay so you essentially you now have a vBKtK9R6b5U-00537-00174777-00175058 step that is represented by a Fourier vBKtK9R6b5U-00538-00175059-00175256 series and then it's subjected to vBKtK9R6b5U-00539-00175257-00175544 boundary conditions of norman bcs on vBKtK9R6b5U-00540-00175545-00175718 either side and then as you keep on vBKtK9R6b5U-00541-00175719-00175976 mixing or nor this this particular vBKtK9R6b5U-00542-00175977-00176312 function now changes and essentially the vBKtK9R6b5U-00543-00176313-00176519 the fourier representation keeps vBKtK9R6b5U-00544-00176520-00176711 changing as you as you go along until vBKtK9R6b5U-00545-00176712-00177010 you get a more and more uniform vBKtK9R6b5U-00546-00177011-00177497 variation in the mixed refraction in the vBKtK9R6b5U-00547-00177498-00177890 key instead of a fourier series you now vBKtK9R6b5U-00548-00177891-00178151 have a series that's based on vessels vBKtK9R6b5U-00549-00178152-00178391 functions and that's possible anytime vBKtK9R6b5U-00550-00178392-00178571 you have you are looking at functions vBKtK9R6b5U-00551-00178572-00178691 that are orthogonal to each other like vBKtK9R6b5U-00552-00178692-00178904 in terms of sines and cosines you will vBKtK9R6b5U-00553-00178905-00179210 have orthogonality investors function vBKtK9R6b5U-00554-00179211-00179432 also you have orthogonality so based on vBKtK9R6b5U-00555-00179433-00179666 these you can actually form a series vBKtK9R6b5U-00556-00179667-00179921 that look like Fourier series but not vBKtK9R6b5U-00557-00179922-00180089 necessarily in science and cosines but vBKtK9R6b5U-00558-00180090-00180284 some other orthogonal basis functions vBKtK9R6b5U-00559-00180285-00180458 that's what we have done here ok or vBKtK9R6b5U-00560-00180459-00180605 that's how it comes out to be you need vBKtK9R6b5U-00561-00180606-00180848 when you now pursue the product solution vBKtK9R6b5U-00562-00180849-00181016 how do you know it's a product solution vBKtK9R6b5U-00563-00181017-00181289 because you now see the side dependence vBKtK9R6b5U-00564-00181290-00181502 actually here and the ETA dependence vBKtK9R6b5U-00565-00181503-00181898 here it's a product ok so you know you vBKtK9R6b5U-00566-00181899-00182087 don't have sigh and a term mixing up vBKtK9R6b5U-00567-00182088-00182324 with each other there they are separate vBKtK9R6b5U-00568-00182325-00182543 but they are multiplying the functions vBKtK9R6b5U-00569-00182544-00182690 containing them are multiplied with each vBKtK9R6b5U-00570-00182691-00182955 other and we also see that you vBKtK9R6b5U-00571-00182956-00183210 e to the minus Phi n square e to the vBKtK9R6b5U-00572-00183211-00183399 minus Phi and square data that is vBKtK9R6b5U-00573-00183400-00183732 exponentially decaying term Anita so vBKtK9R6b5U-00574-00183733-00183972 what that basically tells us is as you vBKtK9R6b5U-00575-00183973-00184316 now go to eat a tending to infinity vBKtK9R6b5U-00576-00184317-00184589 farther and farther from the burner lip vBKtK9R6b5U-00577-00184590-00184925 this entire term is going to go away and vBKtK9R6b5U-00578-00184926-00185313 you are now going to get a a gamma that vBKtK9R6b5U-00579-00185314-00185846 is only this this term all right and vBKtK9R6b5U-00580-00185847-00186204 gamma is nothing but beta normalized and vBKtK9R6b5U-00581-00186205-00186683 beta is nothing but a difference in vBKtK9R6b5U-00582-00186684-00187023 normalized mass fractions and normalized vBKtK9R6b5U-00583-00187024-00187266 mass fractions are this so essentially vBKtK9R6b5U-00584-00187267-00187512 it tells you that as you go further and vBKtK9R6b5U-00585-00187513-00187833 further out the mass fractions are going vBKtK9R6b5U-00586-00187834-00188376 to differ by a constant all right and vBKtK9R6b5U-00587-00188377-00188634 the constant depends on two things new vBKtK9R6b5U-00588-00188635-00188943 and see so now we have to think about vBKtK9R6b5U-00589-00188944-00189108 what does what does new and see vBKtK9R6b5U-00590-00189109-00189633 basically mean they mean something very vBKtK9R6b5U-00591-00189634-00190179 interesting new is telling us why you vBKtK9R6b5U-00592-00190180-00190506 not / wo new or divided by Y F naught vBKtK9R6b5U-00593-00190507-00190809 divided by W of new F this has got vBKtK9R6b5U-00594-00190810-00191010 nothing to do with the geometry of the vBKtK9R6b5U-00595-00191011-00191331 problem it's got to do with our Inlet vBKtK9R6b5U-00596-00191332-00191685 mass fractions of oxidizer and fuel and vBKtK9R6b5U-00597-00191686-00191990 their respective molecular weights and vBKtK9R6b5U-00598-00191991-00192389 their stoichiometric coefficients in the vBKtK9R6b5U-00599-00192390-00192639 reaction in the single step vBKtK9R6b5U-00600-00192640-00193008 stoichiometric reaction ok this is a vBKtK9R6b5U-00601-00193009-00193158 stoichiometric reaction that means you vBKtK9R6b5U-00602-00193159-00193341 don't have either feel or oxidizer vBKtK9R6b5U-00603-00193342-00193608 leftover as part of the products so what vBKtK9R6b5U-00604-00193609-00193734 are the stoichiometric coefficients vBKtK9R6b5U-00605-00193735-00193884 required for them to react with each vBKtK9R6b5U-00606-00193885-00194133 other completely right that's what is vBKtK9R6b5U-00607-00194134-00194534 contained in this so this is a mixture vBKtK9R6b5U-00608-00194535-00194874 quantity and it's a Inlet quantity vBKtK9R6b5U-00609-00194875-00195309 because it has YF not and why or not see vBKtK9R6b5U-00610-00195310-00195534 on the other hand is purely a geometric vBKtK9R6b5U-00611-00195535-00195840 parameter it tells you how small or vBKtK9R6b5U-00612-00195841-00196074 large is the inner duct relative to the vBKtK9R6b5U-00613-00196075-00196284 auto duct vBKtK9R6b5U-00614-00196285-00196587 okay so now you care to think about many vBKtK9R6b5U-00615-00196588-00196821 different combinations is it possible vBKtK9R6b5U-00616-00196822-00197181 for me to have a very small inner duct vBKtK9R6b5U-00617-00197182-00197472 relative to a very large outer duct but vBKtK9R6b5U-00618-00197473-00197774 send a high concentration of fuel inside vBKtK9R6b5U-00619-00197775-00198018 when compared to a very diluted vBKtK9R6b5U-00620-00198019-00198336 concentration of oxidizer outside that's vBKtK9R6b5U-00621-00198337-00198603 suppose that that's one possibility the vBKtK9R6b5U-00622-00198604-00198822 other possibility I now have a fairly vBKtK9R6b5U-00623-00198823-00199197 fat inner duct and just a little bit vBKtK9R6b5U-00624-00199198-00199425 bigger outer duct that means most of the vBKtK9R6b5U-00625-00199426-00199602 outer dr is contained by the inner duct vBKtK9R6b5U-00626-00199603-00199830 and you're essentially trying to send a vBKtK9R6b5U-00627-00199831-00200031 lot of fuel but let us suppose that the vBKtK9R6b5U-00628-00200032-00200364 fuel is highly diluted but the oxidizer vBKtK9R6b5U-00629-00200365-00200784 is highly concentrated what kind of vBKtK9R6b5U-00630-00200785-00201231 flames will we get right on the one hand vBKtK9R6b5U-00631-00201232-00201474 you are trying to send a very vBKtK9R6b5U-00632-00201475-00201675 concentrated amount of fuel but in a vBKtK9R6b5U-00633-00201676-00201921 very small region on the other hand you vBKtK9R6b5U-00634-00201922-00202089 are sending in a lot of fuel all right vBKtK9R6b5U-00635-00202090-00202248 but it is actually highly diluted it vBKtK9R6b5U-00636-00202249-00202431 would you would you happen to have the vBKtK9R6b5U-00637-00202432-00202848 same kind of lame right so that's what vBKtK9R6b5U-00638-00202849-00203583 this this is going to dictate okay so vBKtK9R6b5U-00639-00203584-00203885 what are we going to look for in this vBKtK9R6b5U-00640-00203886-00204251 what we want to see is interestingly vBKtK9R6b5U-00641-00204252-00204642 this is now a gamma that's a function of vBKtK9R6b5U-00642-00204643-00204942 ETA and ETA that means we should be able vBKtK9R6b5U-00643-00204942-00205523 to plot gamma in this domain in were the vBKtK9R6b5U-00644-00205525-00205788 mixing is happening and all we are vBKtK9R6b5U-00645-00205789-00206577 looking for is look for gamma equal to 0 vBKtK9R6b5U-00646-00206578-00207848 right as the stoichiometric surface vBKtK9R6b5U-00647-00207848-00208608 which is essentially the flame shape so vBKtK9R6b5U-00648-00208609-00208755 that means if you are able to plot this vBKtK9R6b5U-00649-00208756-00209129 particular function in the domain and vBKtK9R6b5U-00650-00209130-00209586 have a contour map of gamma you now look vBKtK9R6b5U-00651-00209587-00209838 for the gamma equal to zero control the vBKtK9R6b5U-00652-00209839-00210213 ISO contour of gamma equal to 0 vBKtK9R6b5U-00653-00210214-00210342 corresponding to gamma equal to zero so vBKtK9R6b5U-00654-00210342-00210540 what is gamma equal to zero mean right vBKtK9R6b5U-00655-00210541-00210933 gamma equal to zero means or beta equal vBKtK9R6b5U-00656-00210934-00211223 to zero if beta is equal to zero then vBKtK9R6b5U-00657-00211223-00211819 alpha F equal to alpha 0 vBKtK9R6b5U-00658-00211821-00212292 back here right so gamma equal to zero vBKtK9R6b5U-00659-00212292-00212502 means beta equal to 0 beta equal to zero vBKtK9R6b5U-00660-00212503-00212760 means alpha F equal to alpha 0 and alpha vBKtK9R6b5U-00661-00212761-00213726 F is nothing but minus YF by a WF new F vBKtK9R6b5U-00662-00213727-00214310 which is equal to minus r y 0 / w pole vBKtK9R6b5U-00663-00214311-00214719 new all right so what this basically vBKtK9R6b5U-00664-00214719-00215334 means is we want our YF x y 0 along vBKtK9R6b5U-00665-00215335-00215681 gamma equal to 0 to be in the ratio of vBKtK9R6b5U-00666-00215682-00216582 WF divided w fq f / wo vBKtK9R6b5U-00667-00216583-00217196 right vBKtK9R6b5U-00668-00217196-00217396 what does that mean if I were to simply vBKtK9R6b5U-00669-00217398-00217712 say new off by new oh that would mean vBKtK9R6b5U-00670-00217713-00218010 the stoichiometric ratio in terms of vBKtK9R6b5U-00671-00218011-00218516 moles right all I have done here is to vBKtK9R6b5U-00672-00218517-00218903 multiply new off by WF and multiply new vBKtK9R6b5U-00673-00218904-00219133 or bi wo so I'm essentially looking at vBKtK9R6b5U-00674-00219134-00219527 the mass ratio okay so this is the mass vBKtK9R6b5U-00675-00219528-00219863 ratio of stoichiometric proportions of vBKtK9R6b5U-00676-00219864-00220117 fuel and oxidizer in a reaction force vBKtK9R6b5U-00677-00220119-00220346 truck for the fall for complete reaction vBKtK9R6b5U-00678-00220346-00220573 to happen and what you're basically vBKtK9R6b5U-00679-00220575-00220808 saying is when you have my new Oh vBKtK9R6b5U-00680-00220809-00221081 anywhere in the domain is in this ratio vBKtK9R6b5U-00681-00221082-00221312 you have a stoichiometric surface and vBKtK9R6b5U-00682-00221313-00221477 that's what the flame is that's what the vBKtK9R6b5U-00683-00221478-00221623 frame sheet assumption is that's what vBKtK9R6b5U-00684-00221625-00221780 infinite chemistry means that's what vBKtK9R6b5U-00685-00221781-00222058 makes this burnt approaches all about vBKtK9R6b5U-00686-00222059-00222389 right so effectively it all translates vBKtK9R6b5U-00687-00222390-00222608 you're saying just look at the gamma vBKtK9R6b5U-00688-00222609-00223117 equal to zero control alright further vBKtK9R6b5U-00689-00223117-00223403 let's look at go back and see what new vBKtK9R6b5U-00690-00223404-00223604 is in the in the light of what we have vBKtK9R6b5U-00691-00223605-00224003 done right so this implies we can write vBKtK9R6b5U-00692-00224004-00225023 or you can simply write this equal to MU vBKtK9R6b5U-00693-00225023-00226180 0 0 divided by nu f 0 right / wo u / w f vBKtK9R6b5U-00694-00226181-00226807 you f so what new signifies is the vBKtK9R6b5U-00695-00226808-00227396 incoming oxidizer fuel ratio by mass to vBKtK9R6b5U-00696-00227396-00227785 the stoichiometric oxidizer fuel ratio vBKtK9R6b5U-00697-00227786-00228298 by mass right so effectively new tells vBKtK9R6b5U-00698-00228300-00228610 us something about what is coming into vBKtK9R6b5U-00699-00228611-00228779 the domain relative to the vBKtK9R6b5U-00700-00228780-00229391 stoichiometric mixture ratio and see vBKtK9R6b5U-00701-00229392-00229594 tells us how much of what you are vBKtK9R6b5U-00702-00229596-00229928 getting alright so what you're then vBKtK9R6b5U-00703-00229929-00230171 thing is we can we can now begin to do a vBKtK9R6b5U-00704-00230171-00230758 few things here one vBKtK9R6b5U-00705-00230759-00231155 how does the height of the flame get vBKtK9R6b5U-00706-00231156-00231665 determine right so how does the frame vBKtK9R6b5U-00707-00231666-00231830 look like what what will happen if you vBKtK9R6b5U-00708-00231831-00232502 now try to plot this contour for gamma vBKtK9R6b5U-00709-00232503-00232898 equal to 0 right so depending upon the vBKtK9R6b5U-00710-00232898-00233276 values of your new and see right so if vBKtK9R6b5U-00711-00233277-00233707 you now say this is your y equal to 1 vBKtK9R6b5U-00712-00233708-00234850 star equal to 0 and you now fix your si vBKtK9R6b5U-00713-00234851-00235623 si equal to see that's where the inner vBKtK9R6b5U-00714-00235625-00235985 tube ends and then the outer tube is is vBKtK9R6b5U-00715-00235986-00236501 there you could now get a flame that vBKtK9R6b5U-00716-00236502-00236867 either looks like this or in fact we vBKtK9R6b5U-00717-00236867-00237116 have a wall there you could have a flame vBKtK9R6b5U-00718-00237117-00237908 that looks like that as you now change vBKtK9R6b5U-00719-00237909-00238136 your new so for different values so if vBKtK9R6b5U-00720-00238137-00238369 you now fix your C at a particular value vBKtK9R6b5U-00721-00238371-00238730 and change your new you can get the vBKtK9R6b5U-00722-00238731-00239006 flame to close over the fuel or you can vBKtK9R6b5U-00723-00239007-00239273 get the flame to open up and close over vBKtK9R6b5U-00724-00239273-00239576 close over the oxidizer open up from the vBKtK9R6b5U-00725-00239577-00239944 middle and close over the oxidizer all vBKtK9R6b5U-00726-00239946-00240779 right so this is now called the rover vBKtK9R6b5U-00727-00240780-00241591 ventilated flame vBKtK9R6b5U-00728-00241592-00242056 and this is what is called the under vBKtK9R6b5U-00729-00242057-00243410 ventilator vBKtK9R6b5U-00730-00243411-00243671 right vBKtK9R6b5U-00731-00243671-00243860 what does that mean you're essentially vBKtK9R6b5U-00732-00243861-00244190 having a concept of ventilation as in vBKtK9R6b5U-00733-00244191-00244655 opening up more air or so when you now vBKtK9R6b5U-00734-00244656-00244835 say over ventilated that means you have vBKtK9R6b5U-00735-00244836-00245228 lot of air when compared to fuel so the vBKtK9R6b5U-00736-00245229-00245473 the flame is actually closing over the vBKtK9R6b5U-00737-00245475-00245906 fuel and consuming all the fuel and we vBKtK9R6b5U-00738-00245907-00246094 now say under ventilated that means you vBKtK9R6b5U-00739-00246096-00246323 don't have enough air so the fuel is vBKtK9R6b5U-00740-00246323-00246575 spreading out and then mixing with vBKtK9R6b5U-00741-00246576-00246767 whatever little added can and then vBKtK9R6b5U-00742-00246767-00246998 having and meeting it at stoichiometric vBKtK9R6b5U-00743-00246998-00247262 proportions along this line that closes vBKtK9R6b5U-00744-00247263-00247496 over the oxidizer and opens up over the vBKtK9R6b5U-00745-00247496-00248006 fuel so by this what it means is if you vBKtK9R6b5U-00746-00248007-00248153 now have a flame that looks like this vBKtK9R6b5U-00747-00248154-00248462 you now have a fuel rich region over vBKtK9R6b5U-00748-00248463-00248671 here or pretty much whole field in the 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now have a very short docked for the vBKtK9R6b5U-00763-00252744-00253007 inner duct we're very very small duck vBKtK9R6b5U-00764-00253008-00253196 for the inner duct then compacted out a vBKtK9R6b5U-00765-00253196-00253660 duct and you're having infinite domain vBKtK9R6b5U-00766-00253661-00253931 pretty much no matter how concentrated vBKtK9R6b5U-00767-00253932-00254186 the fuel is relative to how dilute the vBKtK9R6b5U-00768-00254187-00254396 oxidizer rich you are very likely to vBKtK9R6b5U-00769-00254396-00254687 have a if you a flame that is closing vBKtK9R6b5U-00770-00254688-00254969 over the field that means it's going to vBKtK9R6b5U-00771-00254969-00255344 be an over ventilated case if you now vBKtK9R6b5U-00772-00255344-00255638 have a very very broad inner duct when vBKtK9R6b5U-00773-00255639-00255863 compared to the outer dog being just a vBKtK9R6b5U-00774-00255864-00256069 little bit bigger you're very likely to vBKtK9R6b5U-00775-00256071-00256321 have a opened up flame that is under vBKtK9R6b5U-00776-00256323-00256876 ventilated right vBKtK9R6b5U-00777-00256877-00257090 no matter how much you're diluting vBKtK9R6b5U-00778-00257091-00257296 things but there is an effect of that vBKtK9R6b5U-00779-00257298-00257576 and that effect is going to come up when vBKtK9R6b5U-00780-00257577-00257804 you have your a fifty-fifty kind of vBKtK9R6b5U-00781-00257805-00258019 situation that is your neither too small vBKtK9R6b5U-00782-00258021-00258440 or too large the message here is the the vBKtK9R6b5U-00783-00258441-00258851 slot width is going to dictate whether vBKtK9R6b5U-00784-00258852-00259144 the flame is good going to be over vBKtK9R6b5U-00785-00259146-00259367 ventilated relevant and related more vBKtK9R6b5U-00786-00259367-00259919 than new in other words the far-field vBKtK9R6b5U-00787-00259919-00260216 behavior of the flame is more sensitive vBKtK9R6b5U-00788-00260217-00260654 to see rather than new so what is it vBKtK9R6b5U-00789-00260655-00261005 above new in this then you have to ask vBKtK9R6b5U-00790-00261006-00261544 yourselves look at this picture this vBKtK9R6b5U-00791-00261544-00261854 flame if you are no similar here you're vBKtK9R6b5U-00792-00261855-00262048 just beginning to look at how this vBKtK9R6b5U-00793-00262050-00262244 mixing is happening and then the flame vBKtK9R6b5U-00794-00262245-00262460 is shaping up notice them a big in vBKtK9R6b5U-00795-00262461-00262604 eclipse pretty much the same they're vBKtK9R6b5U-00796-00262605-00262852 going like that over the oxidizer vBKtK9R6b5U-00797-00262853-00263279 starting from the field right but then vBKtK9R6b5U-00798-00263280-00263555 if you keep going that went that way vBKtK9R6b5U-00799-00263556-00263792 this one this way and only now call vBKtK9R6b5U-00800-00263793-00263951 those weren't related that fundamentally vBKtK9R6b5U-00801-00263952-00264164 did but why did they start going like vBKtK9R6b5U-00802-00264165-00264542 that in the first place right what can't vBKtK9R6b5U-00803-00264543-00264869 you have a flame that what that was like vBKtK9R6b5U-00804-00264870-00265487 this that could have been a possible vBKtK9R6b5U-00805-00265488-00265667 solution as well so what is the vBKtK9R6b5U-00806-00265668-00265898 difference between this and this this vBKtK9R6b5U-00807-00265899-00266294 flame started going over the fuel and vBKtK9R6b5U-00808-00266295-00266483 closed over the field whereas this vBKtK9R6b5U-00809-00266484-00266690 flames started going over the oxidizer vBKtK9R6b5U-00810-00266691-00266960 and then closed over the fuel this flame vBKtK9R6b5U-00811-00266961-00267161 goes over the fuels and closes over the vBKtK9R6b5U-00812-00267162-00267506 few so you now have multiple vBKtK9R6b5U-00813-00267507-00267695 possibilities you could have a flame vBKtK9R6b5U-00814-00267696-00267986 that starts going over one of the ducks vBKtK9R6b5U-00815-00267987-00268256 and then closes over the other or it vBKtK9R6b5U-00816-00268257-00268478 goes over the same that encloses over vBKtK9R6b5U-00817-00268479-00268796 the same duck right so what governs this vBKtK9R6b5U-00818-00268797-00269285 is new when they are just beginning to vBKtK9R6b5U-00819-00269286-00269621 mix and react they are just beginning to vBKtK9R6b5U-00820-00269622-00270104 consume the reactants and it is a final vBKtK9R6b5U-00821-00270105-00270348 large-scale availability of reactants vBKtK9R6b5U-00822-00270349-00270552 that is going to shape up how the flame vBKtK9R6b5U-00823-00270553-00270780 is going to end up and as we go along vBKtK9R6b5U-00824-00270781-00271008 and the last scale availability is vBKtK9R6b5U-00825-00271009-00271275 dictated by the see how much fuel you vBKtK9R6b5U-00826-00271276-00271431 have on the whole versus how much vBKtK9R6b5U-00827-00271432-00271872 oxidizer you have but locally as they vBKtK9R6b5U-00828-00271873-00272103 just begin to mix and react they are not vBKtK9R6b5U-00829-00272104-00272241 worried about that they're not worried vBKtK9R6b5U-00830-00272242-00272421 about how they're going to end up and vBKtK9R6b5U-00831-00272422-00272664 all the less deficient species is vBKtK9R6b5U-00832-00272665-00272952 consumed reactant is consumed they are vBKtK9R6b5U-00833-00272953-00273246 going to first be dictated by what is vBKtK9R6b5U-00834-00273247-00273978 the new how how concentrated the vBKtK9R6b5U-00835-00273979-00274236 oxidizer is relative to the fuel as it vBKtK9R6b5U-00836-00274237-00274461 comes in relative to what their vBKtK9R6b5U-00837-00274462-00274845 stoichiometric ratio demands so if you vBKtK9R6b5U-00838-00274846-00275589 had a fairly concentrated fuel but vBKtK9R6b5U-00839-00275590-00275952 coming in a very very small region it's vBKtK9R6b5U-00840-00275953-00276372 going to actually go out in search of vBKtK9R6b5U-00841-00276373-00276629 the oxidizer because oxidizer is dilute vBKtK9R6b5U-00842-00276630-00277077 all right and ultimately you're as you vBKtK9R6b5U-00843-00277078-00277251 go along you 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vBKtK9R6b5U-00857-00280399-00280614 also find out what should be the shape vBKtK9R6b5U-00858-00280615-00280806 of the flame so what should be the vBKtK9R6b5U-00859-00280807-00281109 combination of new and see together that vBKtK9R6b5U-00860-00281110-00281355 will give rise to a optimally ventilated vBKtK9R6b5U-00861-00281356-00281832 flame right a flame that's kind of like vBKtK9R6b5U-00862-00281833-00282210 that but I just went too fast I didn't vBKtK9R6b5U-00863-00282211-00282360 tell you whether it's going like that or vBKtK9R6b5U-00864-00282361-00282779 like this right that depends on the new vBKtK9R6b5U-00865-00282780-00283008 what I'm talking about is for a given vBKtK9R6b5U-00866-00283009-00283218 new what should be the C such that the vBKtK9R6b5U-00867-00283219-00283375 flame goes vertical vBKtK9R6b5U-00868-00283376-00283925 and as it good infinity we will talk vBKtK9R6b5U-00869-00283926-00285767 about it later vBKtK9R6b5U-00870-00285768-00285974 you vCFyGuDNa5c-00000-00000009-00000212 hey everybody Josh from California vCFyGuDNa5c-00001-00000213-00000368 through my lens comm today were climbing vCFyGuDNa5c-00002-00000369-00000498 the tallest mountain in Southern vCFyGuDNa5c-00003-00000499-00001502 California San Gorgonio standing at over vCFyGuDNa5c-00004-00001503-00001800 11,500 feet mount San Gorgonio is the vCFyGuDNa5c-00005-00001801-00001938 tallest mountain in Southern California vCFyGuDNa5c-00006-00001939-00002189 and a rite of passage for most hikers vCFyGuDNa5c-00007-00002190-00002406 however this is not a mountain that vCFyGuDNa5c-00008-00002407-00002649 should be taken lightly at over 17 miles vCFyGuDNa5c-00009-00002650-00002859 and 5,400 feet of elevation gain vCFyGuDNa5c-00010-00002860-00003162 round-trip if you have been training and vCFyGuDNa5c-00011-00003163-00003321 want to know about the trail or even if vCFyGuDNa5c-00012-00003322-00003497 you plan to never hike it and just want vCFyGuDNa5c-00013-00003499-00003660 to see what's up there here's a video vCFyGuDNa5c-00014-00003661-00004173 from my recent hike we left at 4 a.m. to vCFyGuDNa5c-00015-00004174-00004359 drive to the Vivian Creek Trailhead vCFyGuDNa5c-00016-00004360-00004539 which is in the small mountain town of vCFyGuDNa5c-00017-00004540-00004833 Forest Falls after finding a parking vCFyGuDNa5c-00018-00004834-00005022 spot we gathered our gear and displayed vCFyGuDNa5c-00019-00005023-00005325 our adventure pass it is 5:30 in the vCFyGuDNa5c-00020-00005326-00005478 morning and the parking lot was already vCFyGuDNa5c-00021-00005479-00005547 half full vCFyGuDNa5c-00022-00005548-00005772 we are starting the full-day trek to San vCFyGuDNa5c-00023-00005773-00006087 Gorgonio since we did this trail in the vCFyGuDNa5c-00024-00006088-00006261 dark before the Sun rose I got some vCFyGuDNa5c-00025-00006262-00006441 clips on the way back when the Sun was vCFyGuDNa5c-00026-00006442-00006576 up so I could show you what the trail vCFyGuDNa5c-00027-00006577-00006855 looked like the trail begins with what vCFyGuDNa5c-00028-00006856-00007046 is essentially a half mile walk on the vCFyGuDNa5c-00029-00007047-00007253 dirt road that goes along the creek bed vCFyGuDNa5c-00030-00007254-00007479 after you summit and are coming back vCFyGuDNa5c-00031-00007480-00007670 down it feels a lot longer than a half vCFyGuDNa5c-00032-00007672-00007989 mile though eventually you'll reach a vCFyGuDNa5c-00033-00007990-00008193 trail sign and then you'll go across the vCFyGuDNa5c-00034-00008194-00008492 dry creek bed and start the switchbacks vCFyGuDNa5c-00035-00008493-00008694 note that at the switchbacks you're vCFyGuDNa5c-00036-00008695-00008814 gonna start going up and you're vCFyGuDNa5c-00037-00008815-00008978 basically never gonna stop going up vCFyGuDNa5c-00038-00008979-00009339 until you get to the summit we had our vCFyGuDNa5c-00039-00009340-00009513 adrenaline going when we started this in vCFyGuDNa5c-00040-00009514-00009675 the morning so it didn't seem that bad vCFyGuDNa5c-00041-00009676-00009882 but on the way down it was really steep vCFyGuDNa5c-00042-00009883-00010077 and it is one of the steepest sections vCFyGuDNa5c-00043-00010078-00010377 on the entire trail since you are vCFyGuDNa5c-00044-00010378-00010569 climbing so quickly the switchbacks do vCFyGuDNa5c-00045-00010570-00010770 give way to some great views relatively vCFyGuDNa5c-00046-00010771-00011010 fast and it's a nice area to go through vCFyGuDNa5c-00047-00011011-00011278 if it's not in the dark vCFyGuDNa5c-00048-00011279-00011494 all right now we're cutting back to what vCFyGuDNa5c-00049-00011495-00011659 I actually filmed in the morning while I vCFyGuDNa5c-00050-00011660-00011947 was on the trail we're about a mile and vCFyGuDNa5c-00051-00011948-00012103 a half in we've made it to San Gorgonio vCFyGuDNa5c-00052-00012104-00012460 wilderness this was the first major vCFyGuDNa5c-00053-00012461-00012628 point of interest because it led us know vCFyGuDNa5c-00054-00012629-00012781 that we had reached the top of the first vCFyGuDNa5c-00055-00012782-00013156 set of switchbacks after the sign don't vCFyGuDNa5c-00056-00013157-00013347 miss this short spur to the left as it's vCFyGuDNa5c-00057-00013349-00013569 only about a 10 foot walk to an overlook vCFyGuDNa5c-00058-00013571-00013756 that lets you see a waterfall flowing vCFyGuDNa5c-00059-00013757-00014311 off of Viviane Creek don't miss the vCFyGuDNa5c-00060-00014312-00014538 waterfall it was a one minute walk off vCFyGuDNa5c-00061-00014540-00015271 the trail definitely worth it we've vCFyGuDNa5c-00062-00015272-00015397 reached the top of the first steep vCFyGuDNa5c-00063-00015397-00015594 section definitely a good understanding vCFyGuDNa5c-00064-00015596-00015741 of what you're gonna be getting into on vCFyGuDNa5c-00065-00015743-00015856 this trail if you don't like that vCFyGuDNa5c-00066-00015857-00016057 section probably should train a little vCFyGuDNa5c-00067-00016058-00016324 bit more and come back this section vCFyGuDNa5c-00068-00016325-00016504 after the switchbacks is definitely the vCFyGuDNa5c-00069-00016505-00016741 best section on the entire trail it's vCFyGuDNa5c-00070-00016742-00016984 beautiful with lots of plants big trees vCFyGuDNa5c-00071-00016985-00017158 and you're following vivianne Creek the vCFyGuDNa5c-00072-00017159-00017317 whole way so you get to hear the rustle vCFyGuDNa5c-00073-00017318-00017875 of the water this is the first of a few vCFyGuDNa5c-00074-00017876-00018040 camps you'll reach so if you wanted to vCFyGuDNa5c-00075-00018041-00018364 overnight you could camp here but we are vCFyGuDNa5c-00076-00018365-00018892 going this way you definitely want to vCFyGuDNa5c-00077-00018893-00019093 soak this area in as the uphill is very vCFyGuDNa5c-00078-00019094-00019267 gradual and there's lots to look at as vCFyGuDNa5c-00079-00019268-00020158 you're hiking along vCFyGuDNa5c-00080-00020159-00020428 this area continues for about a mile and vCFyGuDNa5c-00081-00020429-00020639 a half even getting some switchbacks as vCFyGuDNa5c-00082-00020640-00020830 you get closer to the end and it's a vCFyGuDNa5c-00083-00020831-00021022 great place to stop and have a break as vCFyGuDNa5c-00084-00021023-00021172 it's such a beautiful area you're gonna vCFyGuDNa5c-00085-00021173-00022091 want to spend some time in it we're are vCFyGuDNa5c-00086-00022092-00022989 three miles in snack break vCFyGuDNa5c-00087-00022990-00023189 this has been a really beautiful section vCFyGuDNa5c-00088-00023190-00023394 of the trail nice gradually inclined vCFyGuDNa5c-00089-00023395-00023672 lots of trees to look at it's a little vCFyGuDNa5c-00090-00023673-00024321 cold though we are crossing over the vCFyGuDNa5c-00091-00024322-00024863 stream well in that direction vCFyGuDNa5c-00092-00024864-00025089 here's the split for another one in the vCFyGuDNa5c-00093-00025090-00025377 campgrounds but we're going to hike vCFyGuDNa5c-00094-00025378-00025697 Creek this is the second of three vCFyGuDNa5c-00095-00025698-00025905 campgrounds and this one and the last vCFyGuDNa5c-00096-00025906-00026049 one are the most popular as they're vCFyGuDNa5c-00097-00026050-00026195 further from the start of the trail and vCFyGuDNa5c-00098-00026197-00026436 closer to the summit both of them are vCFyGuDNa5c-00099-00026437-00026598 great places to stay if you want to do a vCFyGuDNa5c-00100-00026599-00026907 two-day ascent of San Gorgonio now vCFyGuDNa5c-00101-00026908-00027137 you're finally able to see the Sun Rise vCFyGuDNa5c-00102-00027138-00027354 I'm sure it's gonna be a hot one today vCFyGuDNa5c-00103-00027355-00027735 but it's really pretty right now from vCFyGuDNa5c-00104-00027736-00027930 here the trail hugs the mountain side on vCFyGuDNa5c-00105-00027931-00028143 big long switchbacks as you make your vCFyGuDNa5c-00106-00028144-00028629 way up finally getting our first real vCFyGuDNa5c-00107-00028630-00029297 views down to the Inland Empire vCFyGuDNa5c-00108-00029298-00029464 [Music] vCFyGuDNa5c-00109-00029464-00029664 I can't get over how beautiful this vCFyGuDNa5c-00110-00029666-00029802 trail is it doesn't feel like you're in vCFyGuDNa5c-00111-00029804-00029988 Southern California vCFyGuDNa5c-00112-00029989-00030310 [Applause] vCFyGuDNa5c-00113-00030311-00030508 most of this trail actually has decent vCFyGuDNa5c-00114-00030508-00030693 shade until you get to the end but I vCFyGuDNa5c-00115-00030694-00030832 still recommend getting an early start vCFyGuDNa5c-00116-00030833-00031020 as it's way nicer to walk through in the vCFyGuDNa5c-00117-00031022-00031957 coolness of the morning we made it to vCFyGuDNa5c-00118-00031958-00032202 about mile four and a half and the Sun vCFyGuDNa5c-00119-00032203-00033085 just came out over the trees it's vCFyGuDNa5c-00120-00033086-00033361 beautiful now and it's warming us up so vCFyGuDNa5c-00121-00033362-00033658 I'm happy for it but I think later in vCFyGuDNa5c-00122-00033659-00033999 the day I'm not gonna be as heavy as the vCFyGuDNa5c-00123-00034000-00034215 Sun started to rise the trail lit up and vCFyGuDNa5c-00124-00034216-00034336 it gave us great views of the vCFyGuDNa5c-00125-00034337-00035412 surrounding mountains more switchbacks vCFyGuDNa5c-00126-00035413-00035665 this part of the trail really leaves the vCFyGuDNa5c-00127-00035666-00035896 early forested area and continues to vCFyGuDNa5c-00128-00035897-00036154 head up on a rocky path with better and vCFyGuDNa5c-00129-00036155-00036661 better views out into the distance at vCFyGuDNa5c-00130-00036662-00036874 about five miles there's another great vCFyGuDNa5c-00131-00036875-00037068 flat section that you can pull off and vCFyGuDNa5c-00132-00037069-00037293 rest at with some downed trees that you vCFyGuDNa5c-00133-00037294-00037435 can sit on and you'll probably see some vCFyGuDNa5c-00134-00037436-00038040 other groups there as well that is not vCFyGuDNa5c-00135-00038041-00038508 the summit vCFyGuDNa5c-00136-00038509-00039292 we're just continuing to go up you guys vCFyGuDNa5c-00137-00039293-00039709 check out how I pick this view is that vCFyGuDNa5c-00138-00039710-00039982 is the next point of interest at the top vCFyGuDNa5c-00139-00039983-00040720 of that mountain there's another little vCFyGuDNa5c-00140-00040721-00041485 waterfall on the trail right there when vCFyGuDNa5c-00141-00041486-00041572 you get to this area vCFyGuDNa5c-00142-00041573-00041749 you're only 200 yards from the third vCFyGuDNa5c-00143-00041750-00041929 backcountry campground which is high vCFyGuDNa5c-00144-00041930-00042556 creek camp it's a high creek camp this vCFyGuDNa5c-00145-00042557-00042802 is where most people camp when they're vCFyGuDNa5c-00146-00042803-00043435 doing the trail Hey look who we ran into vCFyGuDNa5c-00147-00043436-00043771 on the trail it's curvy he found a wild vCFyGuDNa5c-00148-00043772-00044017 Kirby note that as you make your way out vCFyGuDNa5c-00149-00044018-00044227 of the campground this is the last place vCFyGuDNa5c-00150-00044228-00044407 that you can filter water before the vCFyGuDNa5c-00151-00044408-00044602 summit make sure you have enough water vCFyGuDNa5c-00152-00044603-00044788 because this last half is the hardest vCFyGuDNa5c-00153-00044789-00045244 part this next section of switchbacks is vCFyGuDNa5c-00154-00045245-00045469 about a mile and a quarter long and it vCFyGuDNa5c-00155-00045470-00045745 gains about 850 feet of elevation just vCFyGuDNa5c-00156-00045746-00045973 take your time as it is a nice gradual vCFyGuDNa5c-00157-00045974-00046224 slope and it gets much harder after this vCFyGuDNa5c-00158-00046225-00046633 I'll switch bags Zack not too bad so fun vCFyGuDNa5c-00159-00046634-00047037 oh yeah so fun vCFyGuDNa5c-00160-00047038-00047328 so we're right at about a 9,500 feet vCFyGuDNa5c-00161-00047329-00047712 going up on the switchbacks definitely vCFyGuDNa5c-00162-00047713-00047865 steep but it's nice because it's a vCFyGuDNa5c-00163-00047866-00048061 gradual steepness so you can keep a vCFyGuDNa5c-00164-00048062-00048387 pretty steady pace Kirby that's not a vCFyGuDNa5c-00165-00048388-00048726 nineteen million mile pace right there vCFyGuDNa5c-00166-00048727-00049043 that's right let's see that motivation vCFyGuDNa5c-00167-00049044-00049270 the other dude Kirby is pretty crazy vCFyGuDNa5c-00168-00049271-00049477 this is his fourteenth summit San vCFyGuDNa5c-00169-00049478-00049662 Gorgonio in the last year and a half vCFyGuDNa5c-00170-00049663-00050452 this is my first where's the end of the vCFyGuDNa5c-00171-00050453-00051004 switchbacks eventually after a few more vCFyGuDNa5c-00172-00051005-00051190 switchbacks we finally made it to the vCFyGuDNa5c-00173-00051191-00051787 ridge line we're right at the seven mile vCFyGuDNa5c-00174-00051788-00051949 mark and this is a great place to take a vCFyGuDNa5c-00175-00051950-00052348 break with some awesome views we took a vCFyGuDNa5c-00176-00052349-00052498 quick break but we didn't want to stay vCFyGuDNa5c-00177-00052499-00052669 too long as we just wanted to continue vCFyGuDNa5c-00178-00052670-00053365 to push on after leaving our rest spot vCFyGuDNa5c-00179-00053366-00053544 we started the next mile that would take vCFyGuDNa5c-00180-00053545-00053791 us over 10,000 feet on more switchbacks vCFyGuDNa5c-00181-00053791-00054163 on our way to the summit from this point vCFyGuDNa5c-00182-00054164-00054276 on you definitely want to put your vCFyGuDNa5c-00183-00054277-00054421 sunscreen on because there's a lot of vCFyGuDNa5c-00184-00054422-00054591 sun exposure all the way to the summit vCFyGuDNa5c-00185-00054592-00055320 you may think that that is the summit vCFyGuDNa5c-00186-00055321-00055604 it is not it is a false summit the vCFyGuDNa5c-00187-00055605-00056439 summit is on the other side vCFyGuDNa5c-00188-00056440-00056784 we were doing about a 30 minute pace to vCFyGuDNa5c-00189-00056785-00057054 that notch but we're about ten thousand vCFyGuDNa5c-00190-00057054-00057305 three hundred feet now and the pace has vCFyGuDNa5c-00191-00057307-00058055 slowed it's getting tough vCFyGuDNa5c-00192-00058057-00058329 you can see the trail right there and vCFyGuDNa5c-00193-00058329-00058667 there's some people and our destination vCFyGuDNa5c-00194-00058669-00059466 is somewhere over there we're in one of vCFyGuDNa5c-00195-00059466-00059622 the last sections but we're how to treat vCFyGuDNa5c-00196-00059623-00059934 cover so we're taking any shade we can vCFyGuDNa5c-00197-00059935-00060141 get because it is hot and the Sun beats vCFyGuDNa5c-00198-00060141-00060542 down on you up here but not too far from vCFyGuDNa5c-00199-00060544-00061224 this summit hope not hope not - there's vCFyGuDNa5c-00200-00061225-00061635 the trail we came up right there after vCFyGuDNa5c-00201-00061636-00061854 leaving the tree level you really can vCFyGuDNa5c-00202-00061854-00062091 see dozens of miles all around you vCFyGuDNa5c-00203-00062091-00062304 including the surrounding ridge lines vCFyGuDNa5c-00204-00062304-00063009 and even San Jacinto in the distance man vCFyGuDNa5c-00205-00063010-00063264 this section is brutal but look at these vCFyGuDNa5c-00206-00063265-00063570 views during this section I was vCFyGuDNa5c-00207-00063571-00063755 basically just taking photos and videos vCFyGuDNa5c-00208-00063757-00063921 just so I can have an opportunity to vCFyGuDNa5c-00209-00063922-00064116 take a break and all of the audio vCFyGuDNa5c-00210-00064116-00064284 recordings are just me huffing and vCFyGuDNa5c-00211-00064285-00064667 puffing as I make my way up this section vCFyGuDNa5c-00212-00064669-00064920 can be pretty brutal as there's no shade vCFyGuDNa5c-00213-00064921-00065151 so you have direct Sun and it can be vCFyGuDNa5c-00214-00065152-00065388 really hot or really windy depending on vCFyGuDNa5c-00215-00065389-00065703 the time of the year once you get here vCFyGuDNa5c-00216-00065704-00065889 though just keep pushing is this is the vCFyGuDNa5c-00217-00065890-00066075 last difficult part before you get to vCFyGuDNa5c-00218-00066076-00066375 the summit there is the cell that we vCFyGuDNa5c-00219-00066376-00066651 were at we took a break we're getting vCFyGuDNa5c-00220-00066652-00067266 high now we're above 11,000 feet we vCFyGuDNa5c-00221-00067267-00067774 reached the last Junction we're close to vCFyGuDNa5c-00222-00067775-00068200 the summit vCFyGuDNa5c-00223-00068201-00068508 [Music] vCFyGuDNa5c-00224-00068509-00068670 it's like the surface of the Moon up vCFyGuDNa5c-00225-00068671-00069051 here there is basically no plants and vCFyGuDNa5c-00226-00069052-00069177 tena rocks vCFyGuDNa5c-00227-00069178-00069863 luckily cloudy today San Gorgonio vCFyGuDNa5c-00228-00069864-00070374 mountain over the other side of that vCFyGuDNa5c-00229-00070375-00070494 hill vCFyGuDNa5c-00230-00070495-00071040 [Music] vCFyGuDNa5c-00231-00071041-00072081 I am so incredibly exhausted we just vCFyGuDNa5c-00232-00072082-00072372 came over the small hill and we can see vCFyGuDNa5c-00233-00072373-00072729 the summit after crossing this hill your vCFyGuDNa5c-00234-00072730-00072951 work is basically done as it's 1/10 of a vCFyGuDNa5c-00235-00072952-00073143 mile and a short little hill to get to vCFyGuDNa5c-00236-00073144-00073731 the summit of San Gorgonio soak in the vCFyGuDNa5c-00237-00073732-00073920 views as you're walking over and then vCFyGuDNa5c-00238-00073921-00074142 just pick the best rocks to climb to get vCFyGuDNa5c-00239-00074143-00074960 to this summit vCFyGuDNa5c-00240-00074961-00075358 [Music] vCFyGuDNa5c-00241-00075359-00075769 made it to the summit San Gorgonio vCFyGuDNa5c-00242-00075770-00075926 summit Zack vCFyGuDNa5c-00243-00075927-00076400 do something exciting you're gonna live vCFyGuDNa5c-00244-00076401-00076781 in infamy now the summit is normally vCFyGuDNa5c-00245-00076782-00076955 incredibly windy but when we made it vCFyGuDNa5c-00246-00076956-00077144 there there was no wind and we just got vCFyGuDNa5c-00247-00077145-00077420 to soak it in have a snack and enjoy the vCFyGuDNa5c-00248-00077421-00077668 incredible views from the top of this vCFyGuDNa5c-00249-00077669-00078008 11,500 foot peak oh and it was also vCFyGuDNa5c-00250-00078009-00078185 Zacks birthday so we brought him a vCFyGuDNa5c-00251-00078186-00078371 candle and a birthday hat and sang at vCFyGuDNa5c-00252-00078372-00078860 the summit after that all that was left vCFyGuDNa5c-00253-00078861-00079055 was to sign the register book and start vCFyGuDNa5c-00254-00079056-00079348 the nine mile walk back to the car vCFyGuDNa5c-00255-00079349-00079598 thanks for hiking San Gorgonio with us vCFyGuDNa5c-00256-00079599-00079757 putting this away because it's nine vCFyGuDNa5c-00257-00079758-00079910 miles back to the car I'm not looking vCFyGuDNa5c-00258-00079911-00080135 forward to that be sure you train if you vCFyGuDNa5c-00259-00080136-00080258 come up here because this is a tough vCFyGuDNa5c-00260-00080259-00080435 hike but it's an amazing one as well vCFyGuDNa5c-00261-00080436-00080647 we'll see you guys on the next video vCFyGuDNa5c-00262-00080648-00080891 on the way back down do not miss the vCFyGuDNa5c-00263-00080892-00081119 Vivian Creek Trailhead people get lost vCFyGuDNa5c-00264-00081120-00081323 every single year because they miss it vCFyGuDNa5c-00265-00081324-00081542 there's two trails right here it's the vCFyGuDNa5c-00266-00081543-00081770 one on the left right there but there's vCFyGuDNa5c-00267-00081771-00081902 also a sign telling you not to miss it vCFyGuDNa5c-00268-00081903-00082142 as well vDmMYDKvQmk-00000-00000019-00000326 thirty years to life also known as night vDmMYDKvQmk-00001-00000327-00000638 world thirty years to life is a 1998 vDmMYDKvQmk-00002-00000639-00000833 American made for television science vDmMYDKvQmk-00003-00000834-00001037 fiction film directed by Michael vDmMYDKvQmk-00004-00001038-00001253 touchnet and starring Robert Hays Hugh vDmMYDKvQmk-00005-00001254-00001895 O'Connor and Amy Robbins vDmMYDKvQmk-00006-00001896-00002431 topic plot summary vDmMYDKvQmk-00007-00002432-00002715 in a futuristic society where prison has vDmMYDKvQmk-00008-00002716-00002929 been abolished a fifteen-year-old is vDmMYDKvQmk-00009-00002930-00003090 punished for a murder he didn't commit vDmMYDKvQmk-00010-00003091-00003322 by being subjected to a process that vDmMYDKvQmk-00011-00003322-00003667 ages him 30 years as an older man he vDmMYDKvQmk-00012-00003668-00004337 sets out to find the real killer vDmMYDKvQmk-00013-00004338-00004838 topic cast vDmMYDKvQmk-00014-00004839-00005393 Robert Hayes Vincent Dawson Hugh vDmMYDKvQmk-00015-00005394-00005812 O'Connor young Vincent Dawson vDmMYDKvQmk-00016-00005813-00006568 Amy Robbins Darla Mirabelle Kirkland vDmMYDKvQmk-00017-00006569-00007295 Gweneth Christian Anholt Derek Gabriel vDmMYDKvQmk-00018-00007295-00007651 lessieur Kate vDmMYDKvQmk-00019-00007652-00008270 Josie Darby is Lucy vDmMYDKvQmk-00020-00008271-00008824 topic see also vDmMYDKvQmk-00021-00008825-00009079 list of television films produced for vDmMYDKvQmk-00022-00009080-00009331 UPN vEPb6oV_WQu-00000-00000112-00000399 lost in space is an american science vEPb6oV_WQu-00001-00000400-00000655 fiction television series based on a vEPb6oV_WQu-00002-00000656-00000943 reimagining of the 1965 vEPb6oV_WQu-00003-00000944-00001174 series of the same name itself a vEPb6oV_WQu-00004-00001175-00001519 reimagining of the 1812 novel the swiss vEPb6oV_WQu-00005-00001520-00001791 family robinson following the adventures vEPb6oV_WQu-00006-00001792-00002039 of a family of space colonists whose vEPb6oV_WQu-00007-00002039-00002375 spaceship veers off course vEPb6oV_WQu-00008-00002376-00002647 produced by legendary television vEPb6oV_WQu-00009-00002648-00002926 synthesis entertainment clickety-clack vEPb6oV_WQu-00010-00002927-00003206 productions and applebox entertainment vEPb6oV_WQu-00011-00003207-00003479 the show is written by matt sawzama and vEPb6oV_WQu-00012-00003479-00003751 burke sharpless with zac estrin serving vEPb6oV_WQu-00013-00003752-00003943 as showrunner vEPb6oV_WQu-00014-00003944-00004295 netflix released the series on april 13 vEPb6oV_WQu-00015-00004296-00004599 2018 renewing it the following month for vEPb6oV_WQu-00016-00004600-00005295 a second season vEPb6oV_WQu-00017-00005296-00005822 topic premise vEPb6oV_WQu-00018-00005823-00006102 in the aftermath of an impact event that vEPb6oV_WQu-00019-00006103-00006367 threatens the survival of humanity the vEPb6oV_WQu-00020-00006368-00006710 robinson family is selected for the 24th vEPb6oV_WQu-00021-00006711-00007014 mission of the resolute 24th colonist vEPb6oV_WQu-00022-00007015-00007263 group an interstellar spacecraft vEPb6oV_WQu-00023-00007264-00007534 carrying selected families to colonize vEPb6oV_WQu-00024-00007536-00007895 the alpha centauri star system vEPb6oV_WQu-00025-00007895-00008142 before they reach their destination an vEPb6oV_WQu-00026-00008143-00008535 alien robot breaches the resolute's hull vEPb6oV_WQu-00027-00008536-00008791 forced to evacuate the mothership in vEPb6oV_WQu-00028-00008792-00009103 short-range jupiter spacecraft scores of vEPb6oV_WQu-00029-00009104-00009406 colonists among them the robinsons crash vEPb6oV_WQu-00030-00009407-00009719 on a nearby habitable planet vEPb6oV_WQu-00031-00009720-00009935 there they must contend with a strange vEPb6oV_WQu-00032-00009936-00010151 environment and battle their own vEPb6oV_WQu-00033-00010152-00010406 personal demons as they search for a way vEPb6oV_WQu-00034-00010407-00011119 back to the resolute vEPb6oV_WQu-00035-00011120-00012095 topic cast vEPb6oV_WQu-00036-00012096-00012503 maine vEPb6oV_WQu-00037-00012504-00012735 molly parker as mission commander vEPb6oV_WQu-00038-00012736-00013046 maureen robinson an aerospace engineer vEPb6oV_WQu-00039-00013047-00013255 taking her family on the mission to vEPb6oV_WQu-00040-00013256-00013519 colonize alpha centauri in hopes of vEPb6oV_WQu-00041-00013519-00013855 building a new life on a better world vEPb6oV_WQu-00042-00013856-00014111 married to john robinson she is the vEPb6oV_WQu-00043-00014112-00014422 biological mother of judy penny and will vEPb6oV_WQu-00044-00014423-00014638 robinson vEPb6oV_WQu-00045-00014640-00015007 toby stevens is john robinson former u.s vEPb6oV_WQu-00046-00015008-00015335 navy seal and husband to maureen vEPb6oV_WQu-00047-00015336-00015583 he is adoptive father to judy and vEPb6oV_WQu-00048-00015584-00015975 biological father to penny and will vEPb6oV_WQu-00049-00015976-00016263 maxwell jenkins is eleven-year-old will vEPb6oV_WQu-00050-00016263-00016550 robinson who forms a tight bond with the vEPb6oV_WQu-00051-00016551-00016799 robot which he saves from destruction vEPb6oV_WQu-00052-00016800-00017094 during a forest fire vEPb6oV_WQu-00053-00017095-00017399 taylor russell as eighteen-year-old judy vEPb6oV_WQu-00054-00017400-00017679 robinson who serves as mission doctor vEPb6oV_WQu-00055-00017680-00017927 having received accelerated medical vEPb6oV_WQu-00056-00017928-00018119 training vEPb6oV_WQu-00057-00018120-00018422 mina sundwall as fifteen-year-old penny vEPb6oV_WQu-00058-00018423-00018807 robinson a well-trained mechanic vEPb6oV_WQu-00059-00018808-00019150 ignacio cerrito as don west ships vEPb6oV_WQu-00060-00019151-00019543 mechanic and smuggler of luxury goods vEPb6oV_WQu-00061-00019544-00019783 he is accompanied by debbie which he vEPb6oV_WQu-00062-00019784-00020071 calls his lucky chicken vEPb6oV_WQu-00063-00020072-00020383 parker posey is june harris a criminal vEPb6oV_WQu-00064-00020384-00020655 and psychopath who assumes the identity vEPb6oV_WQu-00065-00020656-00020911 of her sister jessica to take her place vEPb6oV_WQu-00066-00020912-00021158 on the colony ship and subsequently vEPb6oV_WQu-00067-00021159-00021447 impersonates dr zachary smith during the vEPb6oV_WQu-00068-00021448-00021719 attack to take his seat on an evacuating vEPb6oV_WQu-00069-00021720-00021919 jupiter ship vEPb6oV_WQu-00070-00021920-00022167 after landing on the planet harris vEPb6oV_WQu-00071-00022168-00022414 attempts to sabotage the colonists vEPb6oV_WQu-00072-00022415-00022671 chances of rescue by the resolute all vEPb6oV_WQu-00073-00022672-00022927 the while manipulating and gaslighting vEPb6oV_WQu-00074-00022928-00023207 other survivors to avoid prosecution for vEPb6oV_WQu-00075-00023208-00023391 her crimes vEPb6oV_WQu-00076-00023392-00023647 the theft of the doctor's identity is a vEPb6oV_WQu-00077-00023648-00023911 reference to the corresponding character vEPb6oV_WQu-00078-00023912-00024214 of dr smith in the original television vEPb6oV_WQu-00079-00024215-00024575 series also her character june harris is vEPb6oV_WQu-00080-00024576-00024822 named for jonathan harris who played vEPb6oV_WQu-00081-00024823-00025158 smith on the original series vEPb6oV_WQu-00082-00025159-00025511 brian steele as the robot an alien robot vEPb6oV_WQu-00083-00025512-00025734 being that will encounters following the vEPb6oV_WQu-00084-00025735-00025894 crash vEPb6oV_WQu-00085-00025895-00026150 the robot has a different form from the vEPb6oV_WQu-00086-00026151-00026358 ones that appeared in the previous vEPb6oV_WQu-00087-00026360-00027031 series and film vEPb6oV_WQu-00088-00027032-00027543 topic recurring vEPb6oV_WQu-00089-00027544-00027862 raza jaffrey as victor darr an officious vEPb6oV_WQu-00090-00027863-00028062 politician whose arrogance and vEPb6oV_WQu-00091-00028063-00028343 impatience mask and underlying sense of vEPb6oV_WQu-00092-00028344-00028574 insecurity vEPb6oV_WQu-00093-00028575-00028902 ajay freeze as vijay dar victor's son vEPb6oV_WQu-00094-00028904-00029207 and pennies love interest vEPb6oV_WQu-00095-00029208-00029614 kari hiroyuki tagawa as hiroki watanabe vEPb6oV_WQu-00096-00029616-00029958 scientist and friend of maureen vEPb6oV_WQu-00097-00029960-00030335 kiki sukizan as iko watanabe hiroki's vEPb6oV_WQu-00098-00030336-00030551 granddaughter vEPb6oV_WQu-00099-00030552-00030887 yukari komatsu as naoko watanabe vEPb6oV_WQu-00100-00030888-00031151 hiroki's daughter vEPb6oV_WQu-00101-00031152-00031439 the new sondhu as prisha dar victor's vEPb6oV_WQu-00102-00031439-00031614 wife vEPb6oV_WQu-00103-00031616-00031999 adam graydon reed as peter beckert vEPb6oV_WQu-00104-00032000-00032335 emilia bersten as diane vEPb6oV_WQu-00105-00032336-00032623 ian belcher as evan vEPb6oV_WQu-00106-00032624-00032918 sean parks as captain radic commander of vEPb6oV_WQu-00107-00032919-00033143 the resolute vEPb6oV_WQu-00108-00033144-00033446 sibengil malambo as angela goddard a vEPb6oV_WQu-00109-00033447-00033655 fellow survivor struggling with vEPb6oV_WQu-00110-00033656-00033902 post-traumatic stress disorder in the vEPb6oV_WQu-00111-00033903-00034118 wake of her husband's death during the vEPb6oV_WQu-00112-00034119-00034815 attack on the resolute vEPb6oV_WQu-00113-00034816-00035327 topic guest vEPb6oV_WQu-00114-00035328-00035630 selma blair as jessica harris june's vEPb6oV_WQu-00115-00035631-00035918 wealthy younger sister vEPb6oV_WQu-00116-00035919-00036223 bill mummy as dr zachary smith the real vEPb6oV_WQu-00117-00036224-00036630 dr smith whose identity june steals vEPb6oV_WQu-00118-00036631-00036951 as a child mummy portrayed will robinson vEPb6oV_WQu-00119-00036952-00037215 in the original lost in space series vEPb6oV_WQu-00120-00037216-00037290 from vEPb6oV_WQu-00121-00037291-00038143 1965 to 1968. vEPb6oV_WQu-00122-00038144-00039087 topic episodes vEPb6oV_WQu-00123-00039088-00039990 topic production vEPb6oV_WQu-00124-00039991-00040527 topic development vEPb6oV_WQu-00125-00040528-00040879 in october 2014 it was announced that vEPb6oV_WQu-00126-00040880-00041135 legendary television and synthesis vEPb6oV_WQu-00127-00041136-00041351 entertainment were developing a new vEPb6oV_WQu-00128-00041352-00041630 reboot of lost in space and had hired vEPb6oV_WQu-00129-00041631-00041943 screenwriting duo matt salzama and burke vEPb6oV_WQu-00130-00041944-00042295 sharpless to pen the pilot episodes vEPb6oV_WQu-00131-00042296-00042671 in november 2015 netflix landed the vEPb6oV_WQu-00132-00042672-00043207 project on june 29 2016 netflix ordered vEPb6oV_WQu-00133-00043208-00043502 a full 10-episode season of lost in vEPb6oV_WQu-00134-00043503-00043783 space with zac estran as executive vEPb6oV_WQu-00135-00043784-00044039 producer and showrunner vEPb6oV_WQu-00136-00044040-00044390 sa zama sharpless kevin burns john vEPb6oV_WQu-00137-00044391-00044711 jashney neal marshall and mark hellwig vEPb6oV_WQu-00138-00044712-00045535 also serve as executive producers vEPb6oV_WQu-00139-00045536-00046039 topic filming vEPb6oV_WQu-00140-00046040-00046311 production on the first season began in vEPb6oV_WQu-00141-00046312-00046679 february 2017 in vancouver british vEPb6oV_WQu-00142-00046680-00047143 columbia and concluded in july 2017. vEPb6oV_WQu-00143-00047144-00047451 season 2 began production in september vEPb6oV_WQu-00144-00047452-00047799 2018 in iceland and was set to conclude vEPb6oV_WQu-00145-00047800-00048671 in january 2019 vEPb6oV_WQu-00146-00048672-00049127 release vEPb6oV_WQu-00147-00049128-00049567 on march 31 2018 the series pilot was vEPb6oV_WQu-00148-00049568-00049830 screened at awesome khan in washington vEPb6oV_WQu-00149-00049831-00050207 d.c the series was released on april 13 vEPb6oV_WQu-00150-00050208-00051007 2018 on netflix vEPb6oV_WQu-00151-00051008-00051550 topic reception vEPb6oV_WQu-00152-00051551-00051823 the review aggregator website rotten vEPb6oV_WQu-00153-00051824-00052119 tomatoes reported a 69 vEPb6oV_WQu-00154-00052120-00052350 approval rating with an average rating vEPb6oV_WQu-00155-00052351-00052542 of 6.36 vEPb6oV_WQu-00156-00052544-00052903 10 based on 71 reviews vEPb6oV_WQu-00157-00052904-00053247 the website's critical consensus reads vEPb6oV_WQu-00158-00053248-00053575 lost in space's production values are vEPb6oV_WQu-00159-00053576-00053847 ambitious enough to attract sci-fi vEPb6oV_WQu-00160-00053848-00054150 adventure fans while the story's large vEPb6oV_WQu-00161-00054151-00054415 heart adds an emotional anchor to all vEPb6oV_WQu-00162-00054416-00054742 the deep space daring do vEPb6oV_WQu-00163-00054744-00055047 metacritic which uses a weighted average vEPb6oV_WQu-00164-00055048-00055359 assigned a normalized score of 58 out of vEPb6oV_WQu-00165-00055360-00055823 100 based on 27 critics indicating mixed vEPb6oV_WQu-00166-00055824-00056047 or average reviews vEPb6oV_WQu-00167-00056048-00056342 david griffin of ign gave the first vEPb6oV_WQu-00168-00056344-00056750 season a rating of 8.5 10 calling it an vEPb6oV_WQu-00169-00056751-00057054 excellent sci-fi adventure with a slight vEPb6oV_WQu-00170-00057055-00057247 villain problem vEPb6oV_WQu-00171-00057248-00057526 giving particular praise to the robinson vEPb6oV_WQu-00172-00057527-00057830 family while criticizing parker posey's vEPb6oV_WQu-00173-00057832-00058130 dr smith as an unsophisticated and vEPb6oV_WQu-00174-00058132-00058350 one-dimensional character who lacks vEPb6oV_WQu-00175-00058351-00058591 redeeming qualities vEPb6oV_WQu-00176-00058591-00058882 in contrast jen cheney a vulture vEPb6oV_WQu-00177-00058883-00059126 characterized posey's performance as vEPb6oV_WQu-00178-00059127-00059463 providing understated sly comedic vEPb6oV_WQu-00179-00059464-00059607 touches vEPb6oV_WQu-00180-00059608-00059926 and beth elder kin of gizmodo agrees her vEPb6oV_WQu-00181-00059927-00060166 performance definitely includes the vEPb6oV_WQu-00182-00060167-00060623 character's trademark levity and humor vEPb6oV_WQu-00183-00060624-00061116 equals equals equals accolades vFFBTtFgf5I-00000-00000016-00000318 joining the show now is my man defensive vFFBTtFgf5I-00001-00000319-00000591 rookie of the year first team vFFBTtFgf5I-00002-00000592-00000911 all pro in his first year dallas cowboys vFFBTtFgf5I-00003-00000911-00001095 michael parsons michael first let me vFFBTtFgf5I-00004-00001096-00001247 jump off on this man i've been looking vFFBTtFgf5I-00005-00001248-00001462 at all those jerseys in back of you as vFFBTtFgf5I-00006-00001463-00001607 much time as you and i have spent vFFBTtFgf5I-00007-00001607-00001814 together i failed to see an 88 back vFFBTtFgf5I-00008-00001816-00001918 there vFFBTtFgf5I-00009-00001919-00002151 yeah you know big my god make my day vFFBTtFgf5I-00010-00002152-00002391 please send me one man give me one man vFFBTtFgf5I-00011-00002392-00002799 come on everybody vFFBTtFgf5I-00012-00002800-00003047 i'ma pull one out for you i'm gonna put vFFBTtFgf5I-00013-00003048-00003247 one out for you surely man but michael vFFBTtFgf5I-00014-00003247-00003447 you see the schedule's been out now vFFBTtFgf5I-00015-00003447-00003703 they're re-running it running here back vFFBTtFgf5I-00016-00003704-00003990 opening the season against the goat tom vFFBTtFgf5I-00017-00003992-00004167 brady in tampa when you open that vFFBTtFgf5I-00018-00004168-00004343 schedule up you saw your schedule what vFFBTtFgf5I-00019-00004344-00004559 was the first thing that jumped out man vFFBTtFgf5I-00020-00004560-00004702 saying uh vFFBTtFgf5I-00021-00004703-00004879 cincinnati back to back that was kind of vFFBTtFgf5I-00022-00004880-00005070 like the first thing i saw you know vFFBTtFgf5I-00023-00005071-00005263 obviously bengals in it last year super vFFBTtFgf5I-00024-00005264-00005479 bowl contender obviously tom brady and vFFBTtFgf5I-00025-00005480-00005647 the buccaneers are always super vFFBTtFgf5I-00026-00005648-00005815 contenders so vFFBTtFgf5I-00027-00005816-00005975 kind of it's a testament to see where vFFBTtFgf5I-00028-00005976-00006183 our team is at and where we stand at you vFFBTtFgf5I-00029-00006184-00006463 know and i think uh that's kind of a vFFBTtFgf5I-00030-00006464-00006663 great start to those two super bowl vFFBTtFgf5I-00031-00006664-00006927 teams super bowl type teams will be vFFBTtFgf5I-00032-00006928-00007191 uh big w's for the cowboys so i'm vFFBTtFgf5I-00033-00007192-00007359 looking forward to it big w for the vFFBTtFgf5I-00034-00007359-00007510 cowboys mike is so funny because we just vFFBTtFgf5I-00035-00007511-00007695 talked about this on my podcast when you vFFBTtFgf5I-00036-00007695-00007919 said you're a rookie going into that vFFBTtFgf5I-00037-00007920-00008103 stadium the first time playing against vFFBTtFgf5I-00038-00008104-00008391 tom brady and now you're going back into vFFBTtFgf5I-00039-00008392-00008614 that stadium a second time playing vFFBTtFgf5I-00040-00008615-00008759 against tom brady you mentioned those vFFBTtFgf5I-00041-00008760-00009039 cincinnati bengals at afc champs this is vFFBTtFgf5I-00042-00009040-00009342 an early test for the dallas cowboys vFFBTtFgf5I-00043-00009343-00009471 football team vFFBTtFgf5I-00044-00009472-00009774 yeah man and you know obviously my first vFFBTtFgf5I-00045-00009775-00010031 year walking tom brady i was obviously vFFBTtFgf5I-00046-00010032-00010231 big eyes and staring tom that was kind vFFBTtFgf5I-00047-00010232-00010455 of a great but i'm kind of excited for vFFBTtFgf5I-00048-00010456-00010703 the rematch it was a real big nail-biter vFFBTtFgf5I-00049-00010704-00010919 and uh you know i think we gave up a lot vFFBTtFgf5I-00050-00010920-00011127 the first game but i think this team's vFFBTtFgf5I-00051-00011128-00011295 had a lot of youth tool we come with a vFFBTtFgf5I-00052-00011296-00011463 lot of experience this year and vFFBTtFgf5I-00053-00011464-00011599 hopefully we can come out and win vFFBTtFgf5I-00054-00011600-00011846 obviously afc champs man they're going vFFBTtFgf5I-00055-00011847-00012014 to come and bring it man they got a lot vFFBTtFgf5I-00056-00012015-00012351 of young talent and uh i know vFFBTtFgf5I-00057-00012352-00012559 i'm excited to go against joe burrow man vFFBTtFgf5I-00058-00012560-00012703 he's been a guy i've been watching for a vFFBTtFgf5I-00059-00012704-00012871 long time and vFFBTtFgf5I-00060-00012872-00012999 i just kind of want to experience it for vFFBTtFgf5I-00061-00013000-00013294 myself like the two great teams so that vFFBTtFgf5I-00062-00013295-00013527 brings about two big spotlights and then vFFBTtFgf5I-00063-00013528-00013735 you go into week three on the monday vFFBTtFgf5I-00064-00013736-00014015 night spotlight stage with the giants vFFBTtFgf5I-00065-00014016-00014230 before seeing the giants again on vFFBTtFgf5I-00066-00014231-00014447 thanksgiving talk about that games and vFFBTtFgf5I-00067-00014447-00014630 those two games yeah man obviously vFFBTtFgf5I-00068-00014631-00014847 divisional games is always huge and vFFBTtFgf5I-00069-00014847-00015119 obviously you know um i think they had a vFFBTtFgf5I-00070-00015119-00015294 great offseason some great time that vFFBTtFgf5I-00071-00015295-00015527 came in and man we just got to be ready vFFBTtFgf5I-00072-00015528-00015703 for them uh i know they're coming for us vFFBTtFgf5I-00073-00015704-00015991 that's a big rivalry of ours and uh we vFFBTtFgf5I-00074-00015991-00016255 got to be ready to slow them down man uh vFFBTtFgf5I-00075-00016256-00016366 i mean vFFBTtFgf5I-00076-00016368-00016543 they they gonna come bring it man they vFFBTtFgf5I-00077-00016544-00016743 made a lot of changes this off season so vFFBTtFgf5I-00078-00016744-00016927 we can't expect the same team from last vFFBTtFgf5I-00079-00016928-00017135 year like listen i know we're talking vFFBTtFgf5I-00080-00017136-00017263 about the schedule here but i just want vFFBTtFgf5I-00081-00017264-00017479 to ask you about you man how do you vFFBTtFgf5I-00082-00017480-00017863 duplicate repeat or top last season when vFFBTtFgf5I-00083-00017864-00018175 you 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vKxWLVriKwo-00035-00022072-00022399 and handle it enough share vKxWLVriKwo-00036-00022400-00022758 handle it vKxWLVriKwo-00037-00022759-00022967 marcus vKxWLVriKwo-00038-00022968-00023471 you and i need photographer vKxWLVriKwo-00039-00023472-00023647 what vKxWLVriKwo-00040-00023648-00023935 in the [__] vKxWLVriKwo-00041-00023936-00024183 did you femaran at this meeting brother vKxWLVriKwo-00042-00024184-00024335 it's delicious vKxWLVriKwo-00043-00024336-00024614 thank you best taco favorite month vKxWLVriKwo-00044-00024615-00024783 you know i can't tell you that vKxWLVriKwo-00045-00024784-00024935 what vKxWLVriKwo-00046-00024936-00025294 ah come on marcus we are family man vKxWLVriKwo-00047-00025295-00025702 no telling me vKxWLVriKwo-00048-00025704-00025927 all right so it's just a little bit of vKxWLVriKwo-00049-00025927-00026127 beer and citrus marinated overnight beer vKxWLVriKwo-00050-00026127-00026867 and citrus that's it that's it vKxWLVriKwo-00051-00026868-00027631 [Music] vKxWLVriKwo-00052-00027632-00027767 i thought you said it was a family vKxWLVriKwo-00053-00027768-00027935 secret marcus vKxWLVriKwo-00054-00027936-00028135 it's just a recipe it's just a recipe vKxWLVriKwo-00055-00028136-00028383 though vKxWLVriKwo-00056-00028383-00028539 no vKxWLVriKwo-00057-00028539-00028670 [Music] vKxWLVriKwo-00058-00028672-00028918 no vKxWLVriKwo-00059-00028919-00029111 no vKxWLVriKwo-00060-00029112-00029287 use it vKxWLVriKwo-00061-00029288-00029607 it was a family secret vKxWLVriKwo-00062-00029608-00029790 and you vKxWLVriKwo-00063-00029791-00029974 gave it up vKxWLVriKwo-00064-00029975-00030423 just like that boom vKxWLVriKwo-00065-00030424-00030774 giving up any info on what we are do vKxWLVriKwo-00066-00030775-00031195 leave a [__] for dead vKxWLVriKwo-00067-00031195-00032174 [Music] vKxWLVriKwo-00068-00032175-00032743 [Laughter] vKxWLVriKwo-00069-00032744-00033159 look at them on their first day vKxWLVriKwo-00070-00033160-00033462 of my navy a petrified man call out vKxWLVriKwo-00071-00033463-00033743 chill out man where i ate it's a taco vKxWLVriKwo-00072-00033744-00033931 it's good meat man vKxWLVriKwo-00073-00033932-00035046 [Music] vKxWLVriKwo-00074-00035047-00035167 bro don't you got a little [__] you vKxWLVriKwo-00075-00035168-00035399 just stay over here some vKxWLVriKwo-00076-00035400-00035527 yeah vKxWLVriKwo-00077-00035528-00035702 but i have to drop that [__] vKxWLVriKwo-00078-00035703-00035839 you know she had the nerve to serve me vKxWLVriKwo-00079-00035840-00035983 spaghetti with the meatball sauce and vKxWLVriKwo-00080-00035984-00036367 the noodles on the same damn plate vKxWLVriKwo-00081-00036368-00036695 drop the [__] because of that vKxWLVriKwo-00082-00036696-00036839 [__] i drop a [__] of her bra and vKxWLVriKwo-00083-00036840-00037062 panties don't match [__] vKxWLVriKwo-00084-00037063-00037502 true true true true [__] vKxWLVriKwo-00085-00037503-00038007 hey i just got the takes you ready vKxWLVriKwo-00086-00038008-00039583 [Applause] vKxWLVriKwo-00087-00039584-00039774 up to this point a [__] don't took too vKxWLVriKwo-00088-00039775-00039951 many yells in life tonight the chapter vKxWLVriKwo-00089-00039952-00040151 in that book is over any [__] vKxWLVriKwo-00090-00040152-00040415 who owes me money or has disrespected me vKxWLVriKwo-00091-00040416-00040639 in any kind of [__] way we coming to vKxWLVriKwo-00092-00040640-00040823 collect and it's either my [__] vKxWLVriKwo-00093-00040824-00040983 money in a bag vKxWLVriKwo-00094-00040984-00041151 or your body vKxWLVriKwo-00096-00044553-00045681 [Music] vKxWLVriKwo-00098-00048952-00049230 yes man [__] boy you and big little man vKxWLVriKwo-00099-00049231-00049455 fiddy you haven't know who you [__] with vKxWLVriKwo-00100-00049456-00050012 man vKxWLVriKwo-00101-00050013-00050844 [Music] vKxWLVriKwo-00102-00050845-00051263 [Music] vKxWLVriKwo-00103-00051264-00051430 look at this snitch-ass [__] he turn vKxWLVriKwo-00104-00051432-00051630 his bag on his homies he gonna turn his vKxWLVriKwo-00105-00051632-00051846 back on us and we can't have no weak vKxWLVriKwo-00106-00051847-00052494 links over here vKxWLVriKwo-00107-00052495-00052629 shine vKxWLVriKwo-00108-00052630-00052823 [Music] vKxWLVriKwo-00109-00052824-00053062 and they gonna have to turn this one up vKxWLVriKwo-00110-00053063-00053732 [Music] vKxWLVriKwo-00111-00053733-00054615 [Music] vKxWLVriKwo-00112-00054616-00054896 take away the vKxWLVriKwo-00113-00054897-00056126 [Music] vKxWLVriKwo-00114-00056127-00056303 so much [__] was going on we couldn't vKxWLVriKwo-00115-00056304-00056566 understand man man and ron t daddy got vKxWLVriKwo-00116-00056567-00056775 strung out and that was the only daddy vKxWLVriKwo-00117-00056776-00056991 that slim knew about when mama got vKxWLVriKwo-00118-00056991-00057199 pregnant with darius's daddy vKxWLVriKwo-00119-00057200-00057382 i knew that [__] was never [__] cause i vKxWLVriKwo-00120-00057383-00057559 never met him and we was raised on vKxWLVriKwo-00121-00057560-00057759 burnett down the street from the dairy vKxWLVriKwo-00122-00057760-00058023 next door to big joyce and ms rosemary i vKxWLVriKwo-00123-00058024-00058182 used to steal at that munchie store with vKxWLVriKwo-00124-00058183-00058532 diamond and david vLsn2G5BLr0-00000-00000000-00000630 I'm viraj and I made this channel for vLsn2G5BLr0-00001-00000631-00001097 my weight gain Journey okay this is my vLsn2G5BLr0-00002-00001098-00001235 first video vLsn2G5BLr0-00003-00001236-00001612 introducing myself yes I am vLsn2G5BLr0-00004-00001613-00001829 five seven vLsn2G5BLr0-00005-00001830-00002249 or five eight inches a five inch vLsn2G5BLr0-00006-00002250-00002657 I am sorry five feet eight inches in vLsn2G5BLr0-00007-00002658-00003245 height okay and almost 40 to 40. vLsn2G5BLr0-00008-00003246-00003803 40 to 41 kilograms of weight I know I'm vLsn2G5BLr0-00009-00003804-00004115 severely underweight but this is that's vLsn2G5BLr0-00010-00004116-00004427 why I'm here to tell you that I'm on my vLsn2G5BLr0-00011-00004428-00004938 journey to gain weight my goal is to eat vLsn2G5BLr0-00012-00004939-00005470 about 69 to 72 kilos vLsn2G5BLr0-00013-00005471-00005818 in one or two years okay right now I'm vLsn2G5BLr0-00014-00005819-00005956 23. vLsn2G5BLr0-00015-00005957-00006322 20 years old guy I mean literally skinny vLsn2G5BLr0-00016-00006323-00006484 or you vLsn2G5BLr0-00017-00006486-00006910 know if some I mean not skinny skinny is vLsn2G5BLr0-00018-00006911-00007217 actually really understand I'm actually vLsn2G5BLr0-00019-00007218-00007789 kind of just the only guy okay vLsn2G5BLr0-00020-00007790-00008183 so yeah this is my video about vLsn2G5BLr0-00021-00008184-00008585 myself vLsn2G5BLr0-00022-00008586-00008903 should I say something more vLsn2G5BLr0-00023-00008904-00009155 I think I covered it up yeah one more vLsn2G5BLr0-00024-00009156-00009283 thing vLsn2G5BLr0-00025-00009284-00009683 just about the future of this you know vLsn2G5BLr0-00026-00009684-00009845 account vLsn2G5BLr0-00027-00009846-00010271 I will post videos in one vLsn2G5BLr0-00028-00010272-00010619 two three months okay either either one vLsn2G5BLr0-00029-00010620-00010913 month video of it three month video but vLsn2G5BLr0-00030-00010914-00011249 I will post it uh like a story time or vLsn2G5BLr0-00031-00011250-00011585 progress or even relapse if I do some vLsn2G5BLr0-00032-00011586-00011842 relapse thing okay because I'm also vLsn2G5BLr0-00033-00011843-00012169 struggling for struggling from uh vLsn2G5BLr0-00034-00012170-00012533 addiction obviously obviously you know vLsn2G5BLr0-00035-00012534-00012838 adult video addiction and I'm also vLsn2G5BLr0-00036-00012839-00013157 suffering from some mental disorders so vLsn2G5BLr0-00037-00013158-00013415 yeah if if I relapse I will tell you all vLsn2G5BLr0-00038-00013416-00013816 and if I don't if I do you know vLsn2G5BLr0-00039-00013818-00014080 without relapsing you know doing vLsn2G5BLr0-00040-00014081-00014291 progress without relapsing I will I will vLsn2G5BLr0-00041-00014291-00014729 tell you all about this too so thank you vLsn2G5BLr0-00042-00014730-00014999 for watching if you if you want to be vLsn2G5BLr0-00043-00015000-00015322 with me you know support me so you can vLsn2G5BLr0-00044-00015323-00015461 subscribe vLsn2G5BLr0-00045-00015462-00015701 to this channel to this account and also vLsn2G5BLr0-00046-00015702-00015916 you can follow me on Instagram if you vLsn2G5BLr0-00047-00015918-00016172 want to see