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1 
        UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT  
       FOR THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA  
 
 
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA  
 
 
 
  v.                                       Case No.: 21 -cr-78(EGS)   
 
 
 
JOHN SULLIVAN  
 
    SUPPLEMENT TO MOTION TO DISMISS COUNT 8 OF THE  
    SUPERSEDING INDICTMENT  
 
 Defendant, by and though undersigned counsel, does hereby 
supplement his Motion to Dismiss Count 8 of the Superseding Indictment. 
In support thereof, defendant respectfully sets f orth as follows:  
 1. On Septemb er 24, 2021,  Defendant filed a Motio n to Di smiss 
Count 8 of the superseding indictment, Making a False Statement , in 
violation of 18 U.S.C. Sec. 1001 (a)(2) . PACER 47.  The g round in the initial  
motion w as that the term “materiali ty” was void for vagueness and theref ore 
unconstitutional  and must be dismissed . 
 2. Defendant  adds this supplement to the Motion to Di smiss o n 
grounds that the government  cannot  establish materiality in the co ntext of  
Count 8 and the ind ictment must be  dismissed.  The argument is based 
upon the re cord that has to date been established in this matter.  Case 1:21-cr-00078-EGS   Document 77   Filed 05/16/22   Page 1 of 82 
  This Court can di smiss part of an indictmen t prior to trial .  A crimi nal 
defendant  may move to dismiss an indictment based on a “defect in the 
indictment, including …failure to state an offense ” if the “motion can b e 
determined without a tri al on the merits [.]” Fed. R. Crim P 12 (b )(3)(B). 
 The issue raised  by defendant  is whether the fa lse statem ent indic ted 
in Count 8 is a “material ” false statement.  The law does criminalize every 
false statement that is made to the government. O n the contrary, it is well 
settled that the law distinguishes between fa lse statements o f 
consequence, wh ich can fairly  give rise to criminal liability, and fa lse 
statements  of little or no significance, whic h cannot. Thus, “materiality ” is 
the lega l standard that has long separated one cate gory from the o ther. 
Kungys v. U nited States , 485 U.S. 759, 769 (1988).  
 Consistent with the long -standing requirement of materiality within  the 
contex t of a prosec ution under 18 U.S.C. Sec. 1001, materiality  is 
considered to be an essential  element  of the federal fa lse statement 
offense. See U nited States v. Verrusion , 762 F.3d 1, 20 (D.C . Cir. 2014) ; 
United S tates v. Stone , 394 F. Supp. 3d 1 (D.D.C. 2019).  
 To be material , a false statement must have a natural ten dency to 
influence, or be capable of influencing, the dec ision-making body to which it 
was address ed.” United S tates v. Gaudin , 515 U.S. 506, 509  (1995). In Case 1:21-cr-00078-EGS   Document 77   Filed 05/16/22   Page 2 of 83 
 analyzing thi s stand ard in United States v. J ohnson , the Third Circuit noted , 
“materiality  requires evidence that the false statements we re of a type 
capable of in fluencing a reasonab le decision maker, and that the fa lse 
statements c ould have a bearing on an actual decision  entrusted t o the 
decisionmaker ….” 19 F.4th  248, 257 (2021), citations omitted.  
 The dec ision-maker in this case is the U nited State s Departmen t of 
Justice.  The Justice  Department  is the entity  that returned  the initial  
indictment and the s uperseding indictment s against defen dant John 
Sullivan.  Therefore, th e charged  false statement , in order to be mat erial, 
had to have  affected the decision  makin g of the U nited States  Department 
of Justice  within  the context of prosecuting ac ts related to the events at the 
United S tates Capitol on January 6, 2022 1 
        Weinstock v. U nited States, 231 F.2d 699 (D.C . Cir. 1956),  involving a 
conviction  for 18 U.S.C . Sec. 1001 , is instructive. The C ourt discussed the 
difference between  material evidence and relevant evi dence.  
  ‘Material ’ when used in resp ect to evidence is often  
  confused with ‘relevant ’, but the terms ha ve wholly  
  differen t meanings. To be relevant me ans to have  
  probative weight, i.e., reasonabl y likely to influence  
  the tribunal in making a determinati on required to be  
  made. A statement may be relevant but not material … 
  The test is whet her the false statement has a natural  
  tendenc y to influence, or was capable of influen cing,  
  the decision  of the tribunal in making a determinati on  
  required  to be made.  Case 1:21-cr-00078-EGS   Document 77   Filed 05/16/22   Page 3 of 84 
  
Id., 701 -702. 
 In United States v. Naserkhaki , 722 F. Supp. 242 (E.D. Va. 1989) , the 
defendant  was prosecuted for making false statements to the INS in 
violation of 18 U.S.C.  Sec. 1001. The false statement s related to his 
application and the attached supp orting documents for the pu rpose of 
obtaining a Refugee Travel D ocument.  The false statements pertained to 
the date and place of the defend ant’s last en try into the U nited States.  
 The Naserkhaki  Court determi ned that the alleged f alse statem ents 
in the application were not material to acquiring the Refugee Travel 
Document.  “Where …a misstatement  relates to an ancillar y, non -
determinative fact, it is not material  and cannot support a co nviction under 
Section 100 1 Id. at 248.  The C ourt added, “A misstatement in this context 
is material only if it relates  to a fact or cir cumstance  the IN S exami ner 
considers in deciding whether  to issue an  RTD. ” Id. at 249.  
 The situation herein is precis ely the issue addressed in Naserkhaki . 
The F.B.I . was investigati ng the events at the United States Capitol on 
January 6, 2021. When the agents spoke w ith Mr. Sullivan they were at his 
home  exclusively to confront h im about his presence in the U nited States 
Capitol on January 6, 2021. It is inconceivab le that a purpo rted false 
statement  about  not being in possession of a kni fe would have impacted Case 1:21-cr-00078-EGS   Document 77   Filed 05/16/22   Page 4 of 85 
 the decision -making body in deciding whether  to indict defendant  for the 
offenses contained in the indictment.  
 The issue of possession of a knife, as well as statements made to the 
F.B.I. related to the knife , are noth ing more than ancillary, non -
determinative fact s that are entirely unrelated  to the decision  regarding 
whether to charge defendant  with the offenses for which he has been 
indicted.  
 The only decision  the Justice Department was in vestigat ing is 
whether to charge J ohn Sullivan with matters related to his presence in the 
United State s Capitol on January 6, 2021 and what specific charges he 
would be faci ng. It was  not investigating whether  Mr. Sullivan had a kn ife. 
Regar dless of whether defendant did have a kn ife or did not have a knife, 
that fact was not det erminative of whether  he would be charged  and for 
what he wo uld be charged.  
 Defendant  notes that the original indictmen t was r eturned wi thout  
regard to whether h e did or did not posses a knife on January 6, 2021. 
None of the indicted  charges in  the  superseding i ndictments , other than 
the false statement charge,  have anything  to do with possession of  a knife.  
 In United States v. Gaudin , Justice Scalia noted, “[d]eciding whether 
a statement is ‘materia l’ requires a determination of at least two subsidiary Case 1:21-cr-00078-EGS   Document 77   Filed 05/16/22   Page 5 of 86 
 questions …(a) what statement was made? And (b) ‘what decision  was the 
agency trying to make. ” 515 U.S. 506, 512 ( 1995). Onl y after a court has 
identified the “statement ” and the “relevant de cision ” can a court answer 
the “ultimate question ”: whether the statement was material to the 
decision.” Id. 
 The anal ysis employed by Judge Scalia was followed in this Circuit in 
United States v. Diggs . “The test of materiality is whether the  statement has 
a nat ural tendency  to influence , or was ca pable of influencing the decision  
of the tribunal in making a (particular) de termination .” 613 F.2d 988, 999 
(D.C. Cir. 1979), quoting Weinstock v. United States , 2312 F.2d 699, 701 -
02 (D.C . Cir. 1956. ) See also  United States  ex el. Morsell v. Symantec 
Corp., 130 F. Supp 3d 106, 123 n.16 (D.D.C. 2015) ([A] statement is 
material if it has a nat ural tendency to influence, or is capable of influencing 
an agency ’s action. ” quoting United States v. Moore , 612 F.3d 698, 701 
(D.C. Cir. 2010).  
 The statement  herein is readily identifiable.  It is the subject of the 
pending Motion to Suppress Statement and related to  the den ial of the 
possessio n of a kn ife during the event s of January 6, 2021. The decision  to 
indict J ohn Sullivan had nothing to do with the statement. This argument 
that the statement had nothing to do wi th the dec ision to charge J ohn Case 1:21-cr-00078-EGS   Document 77   Filed 05/16/22   Page 6 of 87 
 Sullivan is supported by the fac t that the U nited States has never argued 
that the knife had anything  to do with the decision -maker ’s determination to 
charge defendant.  
 Defendant  submits this issue should  be decide d pretrial . The 
substance  of the statement , the decision  conc erning  whether to  charge 
defendant , and the charges fo r which  defendant  has been indicted  are not 
in issue.  
 Defend ant maintains i t is far better to have the issue resolved prior to 
trial as intro ducti on of the  allegedly  false statement will only serve to 
prejudice defendant  while having no probative value. Federal Rule of 
Evidence 403 mandates that “the court may exclude evidence i f its 
probative value is sub stantially outweighed  by a danger of one or more of 
the following: unfair prejudice, confusing the issues, misl eading the jury, 
undu e delay, wasting time, or needlessly  presentin g cumul ative evidence.  
 WHEREFOR E defendant  prays this Honorable C ourt dismiss Count 8 
of the superseding indictment.   
 
 
 
  Case 1:21-cr-00078-EGS   Document 77   Filed 05/16/22   Page 7 of 88 
  
 
       Respectfully submitted,  
 
 
______ /s/_________________  
          Steven R. Kiersh#323329  
          5335 Wisconsin Avenue, N.W.  
          Suite 440  
          Washington, D.C. 20015  
                                                               (202) 347 -0200  
 
 
    CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE  
 
 I HEREBY CERTIFY that a true and accurate copy of the foregoin g 
was served, via the Court’s electroni c filing system, upon Joseph Huynh 
Esquire, A ssistant  U.S. Attorney on this the  _______ 16th_____  day of 
May, 2022 . 
 
 
       ______ /s/___________________  
       Steven R. Kier sh 
 
 
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