Diskisyon Itilizatè:LLarson

I had just been thinking about leaving a note for you at the English Wikipedia, to see if you would join us here, and here you are already!  Thank you for joining us.  The Haitian Creole Wikipedia needs your help.  If you need help, then feel free to leave a note on my talk page or start a discussion at the Wikipedia:Kafe.  We're a friendly group here, so come say hello!  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 3 fevriye 2016 à 03:06 (UTC)

@: Mèsi anpil. I’m happy to be here. The hardest part for me will be my Kreyòl brize!  —LLarson (di & fè) 8 fevriye 2016 à 17:48 (UTC)

:Kreyòl brize means that you have more Kreyòl than me.  ;-)  Arsendis seems to be pretty good, but she doesn't claim to be perfect.  There's so much to be done.  What's your favorite subject?  I like medicine (so does User:MdmPaj) and education myself, but I'm mostly useful here in the background.   WhatamIdoing (discussion) 9 fevriye 2016 à 04:48 (UTC)

::@: Awesome! My interests are all over the place: dictators, Forteana, law, computer science, language, politics, places I’ve been... In the past year on Wikipedya nan angle I’ve been doing a lot of grunt work like reference validation. I really wasn’t aware of how often I use templates there; very few of them are here so far. (Bonjou  ak !) —LLarson (di & fè) 9 fevriye 2016 à 19:02 (UTC)

:::I should get back to one of my original projects, which was finding out what templates exist.

:::BTW, have you ever tried the visual editor?  The :mw:citoid auto-filling ref service has been plugged into it, so it's a couple of clicks to decent refs in many cases.  I don't think it's enabled here yet, but perhaps I can help with that.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 10 fevriye 2016 à 17:14 (UTC)

::::@: I just tested the VisualEditor for the first time in a while; it seems like a great candidate for migration to Wikipedya! :) —LLarson (di & fè) 11 fevriye 2016 à 17:29 (UTC)

:::::Well, if we want the citation autofiller to work, then it means setting up several sets of machine-readable documentation, all written in w:en:JSON, which is the most remarkably brittle format of my recent acquaintance.  Probably the easiest thing to do is to swipe it all (or nearly all?) from the English Wikipedia and try to match it up to any existing Haitian parameters in the templates.  I wonder if we should update the w:en:WP:CS1 modules while we're at it.  (Does this sound like "get all the pain over with at once" or "have a longer list of reasons to procrastinate further" to you?  ;-)  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 12 fevriye 2016 à 06:27 (UTC)

::::::@: I was thinking the same thing about one of the CS1 modules. I agree that JSON editing is no fun, but I’d be happy to get started. Which places on the English Wikipedia would you be swiping from exactly?  —LLarson (di & fè) 12 fevriye 2016 à 16:39 (UTC)

:::::::, , , and  are already here, but the versions are from a couple of years ago.  So w:en:Template:Cite web, etc., (including the documentation page, which has the TemplateData) would be the thing to swipe from, to get the updates.  We'd also need the current version of the module that runs the back end, w:en:Module:CS1 (might require admin assistance to edit that page).  Once we have everything here, we can Move the Cite templates to Haitian page names (and maybe make redirects for French and Spanish, too).

:::::::Then we need to set up the citoid stuff.  :mw:Citoid/Enabling Citoid on your wiki has the directions, but they look... perhaps less than ideally clear.  Perhaps we'll "test drive" the documentation and see if we can improve it in the process.

:::::::Our process will look something like this:

:::::::* Step 1:  Update the templates and copy over the documentation (at least the TemplateData part of the /doc page).

:::::::* Step 2:  Get User:WhisperToMe to copy w:en:MediaWiki:Visualeditor-cite-tool-definition.json to the local MediaWiki:Visualeditor-cite-tool-definition.json.  This should be a straight-up copy job, although you or User:Arsendis give him translations for the "Name" field if you want.  --> At this point, the citation templates will be present in the visual editor's Cite button, but there will not be an "Automatic" option yet.

:::::::* Step 3:  Turn on Citoid.  This should mean copying what the English Wikipedia already has, but we could figure out whether anything else needs to be done when we're closer to that time.

:::::::I'd like to see whether we can get this done in the next week – maybe so WTM can do step #2 on Tuesday or Wednesday?  To get us started, I think I'll go swipe the TemplateData documentation.  It'll all be in English, but that's okay for now; we can translate it later.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 13 fevriye 2016 à 19:06 (UTC)

::::::::@: I’ve copied over all of the supporting files for Module:Citation/CS1—that is, all of the non-sandbox, non-documentation subpages of it on English Wikipedia—but before I accidentally break the internet, I should give you a heads up: when I attempt to update Module:Citation/CS1, and use the option at the bottom of the Module- and Template-editing page that says “Preview page with this template”), and use a page with a single citation (OAS), the resulting preview using the updated Module:Citation/CS1 returns an error at that citation: Erreur Lua dans Module:Citation/CS1 à la ligne 2968 : attempt to call field 'set_selected_modules' (a nil value). There is no line 2968 in the module, and the script error’s callstack window says:

:::::::::1. Module:Citation/CS1:2968 : dans la fonction « chunk »2. mw.lua:511 : ?

::::::::Thoughts? Thank you! —LLarson (di & fè) 15 fevriye 2016 à 17:51 (UTC)
This works now:
*
Did you revert any of the changes you made?  Is it still broken?  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 16 fevriye 2016 à 01:35 (UTC)

@: Yes, that definitely works and nothing is currently broken, but it looks like citations will break—even simple ones like yours above—if we update Module:Citation/CS1 to its English-language counterpart and I can’t figure out why. My assumption that things will break is based on the fact that went I pasted that newer content into Module:Citation/CS1, and used the tool that’s below the Edit box and the Save button, and “Preview page with this template” (or “Aperçu de la page avec ce modèle” if you’re using French or Haitian Creole), even when I use “Diskisyon Itilizatè:LLarson”, I see that same “line 2968” error instead of your simple citation. —LLarson (di & fè) 16 fevriye 2016 à 17:45 (UTC)

:I think we'll have to ask at w:en:Module talk:Citation/CS1.  w:User:Trappist the monk will probably be able to figure it out.  Do you want to start the discussion there, since you understand the problem better?  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 18 fevriye 2016 à 18:24 (UTC)

::I just asked. :D —LLarson (di & fè) 18 fevriye 2016 à 21:28 (UTC)

:::@: This is more work than I realized. I’m checking in—but I’m still on Step 1. —LLarson (di & fè) 23 fevriye 2016 à 21:05 (UTC)

::::@: That’s not right. 😳 We’re on Step 3. —LLarson (di & fè) 23 fevriye 2016 à 21:10 (UTC)
===Things I learned===
Apparently, if we use Special:Import (which I believe requires being a :m:global sysop or an admin at both source and target wikis (which User:WhisperToMe is, things moving between English and here), then the software would figure out which sub-templates we needed to bring over.  They won't all work, because some also require Javascript or CSS rules, but most of them will.  So that's something for us to keep in mind for future template projects.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 24 fevriye 2016 à 16:05 (UTC)

@: I’m not surprised there’s a more automated way of doing this! 😂 I’m happy to hear it and it makes much more sense. —LLarson (di & fè) 25 fevriye 2016 à 16:24 (UTC)

By the way, if you create :m:User:LLarson/global.js, then it will automatically appear at all WMF wikis.  You can see mine at :m:User:WhatamIdoing/global.js (also :m:User:WhatamIdoing/global.css).  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 13 fevriye 2016 à 23:14 (UTC)

Fantasticness! I did it and I am much happier :D —LLarson (di & fè) 15 fevriye 2016 à 17:48 (UTC)

:Also, if you post a user page at m:User:LLarson, then it will automagically appear at the other wikis (any that don't already have a local user page), which is handy if you visit other projects often.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 16 fevriye 2016 à 04:19 (UTC)

::Great idea!  —LLarson (di & fè) 16 fevriye 2016 à 17:49 (UTC)

::: Thank you again! —LLarson (di & fè) 17 fevriye 2016 à 21:08 (UTC)

Salut Monsieur LLarson,
Enchanté de faire votre connaissance.
Pouvez-vous m'aider à traduire cet article en Kreyòl ayisyen, svp ?
Contenu:

"La Sainte Communion est le sacrement pour commémorer la mort du Seigneur Jésus-Christ. Il nous permet de participer à la chair et au sang de notre seigneur et d'être dans la communion avec lui de sorte que nous puissions avoir la vie éternelle et monter au ciel dernier jour. Ce sacrement sera tenu aussi souvent comme possible. Seulement un jus de raisin et du pain sans levain sera employé".

"Le jour de Sabbat, le septième jour de la semaine (samedi), est un jour saint, béni et sanctifié par Dieu. Il doit être observé sous la grâce du seigneur pour la commémoration de la création et du salut de Dieu et avec l'espoir du repos éternel dans la vie à venir".

"La Église, établie par notre seigneur Jésus-Christ, par l'Esprit-Saint pendant la période de la 'dernière pluie ', est l'Église vraie reconstituée du temps apostolique".
</div>
Votre aide sera appréciée avec beaucoup de reconnaissance, merci beaucoup. --Philip J (discussion) 24 fevriye 2016 à 08:13 (UTC)

@: Bonjour et je vous remercie de votre demande. Bien que « la sainte communion » comme vous l’avez décrite pourrait manquer une neutralité de point de vue, nous pouvons demander l’aide des autres utilisateurs qui seraient plus forts entre ces deux langues, notamment :  et . Merci bien. —LLarson (di & fè) 1 mas 2016 à 14:35 (UTC)

Thank you for starting Lekòl Segondè Miami Edison! If you want are you interested in starting the Haitian Creole articles on the school districts of Miami and New York?
WhisperToMe (discussion) 1 mas 2016 à 03:58 (UTC)

@: It was my pleasure. I started New York’s (Depatman Edikasyon vil Nouyòk) but haven’t touched Miami’s yet. I definitely support your intention to prioritize dyaspora content here 😊 —LLarson (di & fè) 1 mas 2016 à 13:51 (UTC)

Bonjou LLarson, I live in Thailand and now it is 22:20 so ... time to go to bed, but tomorrow I will change from  to  and from  “” or  “” to “” or “” .... if I have some problem I will send a message to you. Thanks DARIO SEVERI (discussion) 22 mas 2016 à 15:25 (UTC)

I asked for advice on the infoboxes a little while ago, and the reply is here:  w:en:User talk:Edokter#Fun design projects.
What I'd really like is to get an automatic infobox via Wikidata, but I suppose that we need both.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 23 mas 2016 à 00:53 (UTC)

I think I’ve seen that talked about but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a working instance of an Infobox that autograbs Wikidata data... Do you have an example in mind? —LLarson (di & fè) 1 avril 2016 à 15:42 (UTC)

:See :w:es:Jimmy Wales for one example.  You can override the items if you want, but you can just put ""</nowiki> at the top to make it fully automagic.  w:en:WP:MED was working on something similar for Infobox disease a while ago, but there's a separate re-design being discussed at the same time, so it's complicated.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 7 avril 2016 à 18:14 (UTC)

:: I made some progress on this: If you enter only this  (bak sab is sandbox) into a person article, the template calls the person’s official website if it exists... and it’s overwriteable. Wyclef Jean is currently using the template and not calling the official website parameter (sit wèb). It’s a step in the right direction, and now I have a better handle of the syntax. —LLarson (di & fè) 19 avril 2016 à 16:30 (UTC)

:::This is looking good.  I've added it to David Dennison, Charles Galton Darwin, and Wilhelm Cauer.  The first two have possible problems – in the second one, I think the text of the article has the wrong birthdate.

:::Can you add a small "Edit on Wikidata" kind of link to the template?  I'd like to find the records there so that I can see whether they have images.  (Please ping me liberally.  I'll never mind, and I might be faster to notice and reply.  ;-)  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 25 avril 2016 à 15:52 (UTC)

If so I can make suggestions of which ones to start next
P.S. yeah I should have stated that if I forget to check HT.wiki please contact me on EN.wiki - It was my fault that I forgot to say that
WhisperToMe (discussion) 13 avril 2016 à 07:11 (UTC)

Wi ! 😊 What are your thoughts? —LLarson (di & fè) 17 avril 2016 à 15:06 (UTC)

:Well I'd get started on Miami, so I have some ideas:

:*:en:Miami International Airport

:*:en:Miami Herald

:*:en:El Nuevo Herald

:*:en:Miami New Times

:*:en:Miami-Dade Transit (from the Creole portion of https://www.miamidade.gov/transit/library/pdfs/misc/transit-fare-guide.pdf use "Miami-Dade Transit" as the article title)

:**:en:Metrorail (Miami-Dade County) ("Metrorail" should be the title, although disambiguated to Miami-Dade County, so "Metrorail (Konte Miami-Dade)"

:*:en:Miami-Dade Police Department -> Depatman Polis Miami-Dade - http://www.miamidade.gov/police/library/pcb-brochure-creole.pdf

:*:en:Miami-Dade Fire Rescue Department -> Depatman Ponpye ak Sekou Miami-Dade - http://www.miamidade.gov/fire/library/Fireworks_English-Creole.pdf and http://www.miamidade.gov/fire/library/Bee_Safe_Creole.pdf

:*:en:North Miami Senior High School -> Lekòl Segondè North Miami (North Miami has a middle class Haitian population)

:WhisperToMe (discussion) 18 avril 2016 à 04:23 (UTC)
Also some ideas for Haiti itself:

:en:Toussaint Louverture International Airport (main international airport)

:en:Lycée Alexandre Dumas (French international school in Port au Prince)

:en:Union School Haiti (American international school in Port au Prince)
WhisperToMe (discussion) 18 avril 2016 à 04:33 (UTC)
Hi again! Do you have time to get some of the airport stubs written? If/when that happens I'll link to the Haitian versions from the Commons. If you want I can look to see if any of the airports publish information in Haitian. WhisperToMe (discussion) 15 jen 2016 à 18:40 (UTC)
If you're okay with another, :en:School District of Palm Beach County has a Haitian page https://www.palmbeachschools.org/creole WhisperToMe (discussion) 8 me 2017 à 23:36 (UTC)

Interested in writing some more articles about New York and Miami government agencies?

Hi, I modified an article calling for Tibèt category because there is already the Tibet category and the article on the country exists with the name Tibet. If you think it should be the opposite, it can be changed to only one category. DARIO SEVERI (discussion) 17 avril 2016 à 08:05 (UTC)

Bonjou , my dictionaries all agree that tibèt is bug or insect and it is my understanding that Tibet is Tibet, although I also see Tibè in one dictionary. I think then that Annipye probably belongs in :Kategori:Tibèt. —LLarson (di & fè) 17 avril 2016 à 15:23 (UTC)

::Bonjou LLarson, tomorrow I will create the create the category Tibèt. Thanks for your explanation. DARIO SEVERI (discussion) 17 avril 2016 à 15:31 (UTC)

Hello. I want you, if you have time, to translate the  introductory paragraphs of :en:Nea Salamis Famagusta FC and create the article in your wiki. Xaris333 (discussion) 30 me 2016 à 09:14 (UTC)

I don’t know anything about FCs, the claims over Cyprus, or football/soccer, but I’ll still give it my best — by and by. Thank you! —LLarson (di & fè) 31 me 2016 à 00:21 (UTC)

: Just letting you know that I put together a very basic article. —LLarson (di & fè) 31 me 2016 à 20:06 (UTC)
Thanks very much! Only that I wanted. Xaris333 (discussion) 31 me 2016 à 20:27 (UTC)

Hi LLarson, I am writing to you because you are the editor that currently has more editing this Wikipedia. I edit in several Wikipedias and many of them have different methods to organize things. If you think I'm editing something that you and others had previously agreed to do in an different way please tell me. Hugs DARIO SEVERI (discussion) 30 me 2016 à 15:11 (UTC)

@: That’s so kind, but I feel the same way: I’m an American guy in love with Haitians, Haiti, and their beautiful language, Kreyòl. I want to be respectful to those who have been on Wikipedya longer and to those in Haiti as well as the dyaspora. [Un]fortunately, there are so few editors here that it’s pretty much the wild west. As long as editors aren’t using their own arbitrary spelling system, I’d be hard pressed to revert good‑faith content here. To the contrary: Your recent work has been very encouraging! It’s so great to see I’m not the only one adding content :D Onè ak respè ! —LLarson (di & fè) 31 me 2016 à 00:08 (UTC)

Bonjou ak mèsi anpil pou kontribisyon ou ! Please excuse my language, but your English is much better than my Kreyòl. Based on the information in the English‑language Wikipedia, I believe that the city and province of Havana are essentially the same entity, and use one government. If that’s accurate, we may want to merge Avàn and La Avàn. Thoughts? Mèsi anpil ! —LLarson (di & fè) 18 jiyè 2016 à 13:44 (UTC)

Yes, I think you're right.  --Chaoborus (discussion) 18 jiyè 2016 à 21:37 (UTC)

Alo, ou kapab amelyore atik sa a, gras: Tenerife, Zile Canary.--83.46.38.195 5 septanm 2016 à 10:50 (UTC)


Diskisyon Itilizatè:Gloria sah

Hello , nice to write to you too . Thank you for this information; but I'am unable to do it, I don't speak enough Haitian Creole. Best regards, --Arsendis (discussion) 3 fevriye 2016 à 07:59 (UTC)

Re:Hello, Arsendis, nice to write to you


Diskisyon Wikipedya:Paj pou efase

Modèl:Eboch
I think that we should delete Modèl:Eboch.  This says (just) "Draft" and is present at the top of about 2% of articles.  It communicates nothing useful (for example, it has no instructions on how to edit the page).  I think it should be removed.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 6 fevriye 2016 à 22:33 (UTC)

Resolved by merge: Modèl:Eboch redirects to Modèl:Ebòch

Modèl:Ebòch
I think that we should delete Modèl:Ebòch.  It has no content, except a hidden HTML comment that refers to a different template.  This is present but invisible in more than half of articles.  I am worried that having this "do-nothing" template code at the top of articles will make it harder for new people to edit.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 6 fevriye 2016 à 22:35 (UTC)

I’m not sure if I agree with deleting this template. I’m positive it doesn’t belong at the top of the article. (Note that  and  now redirect to , which at least isolates the issue... or kicks the can down the road. —LLarson (di & fè) 28 avril 2016 à 16:57 (UTC)

IMMAGINE&POESIA

I propose to delete the following pages(je propose de supprimer les pages suivantes):
* Joëlle Ursull (with the accent) because the page Joelle Ursull exists and is linked to the pages of this singer in other languages.
* :Kategori:Aktè Meksiken because the page :Kategori:Aktè meksiken exists and this category contains almost 20 pages.
--Gilles2014 (discussion) 21 me 2017 à 16:42 (UTC)

Hello, Gilles2014.  I have redirected Joëlle Ursull to Joelle Ursull.  This way, readers will find the correct article no matter which spelling they use.

Why do you think that there should not be a category for Mexican actors?  It seems to be common on other Wikipedias.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 22 me 2017 à 15:26 (UTC)

:Hello,  WhatamIdoing. Thanks for the page on Joëlle Ursull.

:I propose to delete the category  :Kategori:Aktè Meksiken (with an uppercase for Meksiken) because the category :Kategori:Aktè meksiken (without an uppercase for meksiken) exists and this second category contains almost 20 pages.

::Ah, I see it now.  That sounds perfectly fine to me.  Let's see if we can flag down a passing global sysop, since we seem to have let our local admin expire.  User:MoiraMoira?  User:Billinghurst?  Can one of you delete the redundant category for us?  We certainly don't need two categories with the same name/different capitalization.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 23 me 2017 à 18:50 (UTC)

::: category deleted Billinghurst (discussion) 24 me 2017 à 14:56 (UTC)

::::  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 24 me 2017 à 20:31 (UTC)

https://ht.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskisyon Wikipedya:Paj pou efase


Discussion module:Citation/CS1/Date validation

M kwè ke nou dwe chanje tèks la nan kreyòl, men se pètèt danjere chanje san diskite? (Mwen te vle itilize  ak yon dat nan kreyòl « 18 mas 2015 » isit, men li pa te valide). —LLarson (di & fè) 9 fevriye 2016 à 18:52 (UTC)


Diskisyon Itilizatè:CEM-air

Hello, CEM-air!  Thank you for your contributions.  I see that you do a lot of work at Wikidata, and I wonder if you could help me with a project.  I would really, really, really like to have something like w:es:Template:Ficha de persona here at the Haitian Wikipedia.  The ideal solution is that you type  (or whatever the name is) at the top of the article, and everything from Wikidata auto-magically appears here.
Do you think that you could figure out how to do that?  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 13 fevriye 2016 à 23:11 (UTC)

Hola! WhatamIdoing I can't help you, i'm blocked. I made an erroneous selection in Autolist2 (with many levels) in Wikipedia. And I did not answer someone who could block me because I was not at the computer. --CEM-air (discussion) 23 fevriye 2016 à 18:08 (UTC)

ohh! I'm block only in Wikidata... I'll try help you. --CEM-air (discussion) 23 fevriye 2016 à 18:11 (UTC)

:Thanks!

:Have you figured out how to ask for unblocking at Wikidata?  I hope that it goes well.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 24 fevriye 2016 à 16:02 (UTC)


Diskisyon Itilizatè:Savvyjack23

Hello, Savvyjack23!  I am glad that you came back.  A few of us are trying to revive this Wikipedia and fix up a few things, so I hope we'll see more of you.  Drop by the Wikipedya:Kafe with any questions, or leave a note on my talk page.  We love having more editors around.  Thanks!  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 13 fevriye 2016 à 23:17 (UTC)


Diskisyon Itilizatè:Daimosi

Welcome, Daimosi!  I hope that you can help us improve some encyclopedia articles.  If you want to talk to some of the editors, you can leave a note at the Wikipedia:Kafe.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 24 fevriye 2016 à 16:22 (UTC)


Diskisyon Itilizatè:NegMawon

I'm so glad that you're here!  There's a lot to do.  Please let us know if you need help.  You can post messages for the group at Wikipedya:Kafe, and you can reach me by leaving a note at User talk:WhatamIdoing.
I would particularly appreciate your thoughts on the new discussion at Wikipedya:Kafe#Topic ideas for Port au Prince and Miami-related articles.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 25 fevriye 2016 à 16:48 (UTC)


Diskite:IMMAGINE&POESIA

File:Ferlinghetti meets Immagine&Poesia representatives.jpg – Photoshopping to claim a connection
This article is part of a cross-wiki campaign to promote the movement. The article is already deleted on english, french, german, swedish, norwegian and even on the italian (!) wiki, and is discussed other places as well.
Most part of the campaign is performed by only 3 users - who hasn't written about many other things on Wikipedia:
* Angler45,
* Alessandroga80 and
* Aeron10
Please also note that this picture, that is a part of the cross wiki campaign is a hoax; photoshopped to give the impression that two representatives from I&P met the known poet Ferlinghetti. See :commons:Commons:Deletion requests/File:Ferlinghetti meets Immagine&Poesia representatives.jpg, and ask Angler45 for an explanation. Bw --Orland (discussion) 12 mas 2016 à 12:16 (UTC)
=== Should be kept ===
Never seen such a cross-wiki-attack coming from one User: Orland. The article has been on Wikipedia since 2011. The meeting with poet Ferlinghetti was real and arranged by his spokesman Garrett Caples and was also documented in Italian newspaper La Stampa [] The photo is not a hoax, but a photoshop improvement of the original photo that was not professional enough for uploading on wiki as Angler45 explained.
The page is not promotional as it only tells the story of the Movement. When it was deleted on some of the mentioned wikis a book about the Movement was not published yet---Oberon12 (discussion) 15 mas 2016 à 07:46 (UTC)

:Please note that Oberon12 is an almost fresh user, woken from 3-4 years of slumber, only to engage in this discussions. This must be understood as if the four previous contributors engaged in this article worldwide (Angler45, Alessandroga80, Aeron10 and RiverTeifi) are burned as Single Purpose Accounts.

:If there really was a "original photo that was not professional enough", the easiest thing in the world would be to provide this picture now. Please do.

:I do not read italian, but according to google translate, the article in La Stampa describes a meeting between only Chiarelli and Ferlinghetti, with no mention of the "movement" we are discussing here. Wheether Chiarelli and some other italian person really met Ferlinghetti i 2013 does anyway not establish any notability for the movement as such. It is more interesting that Angler45 believed that this photo could be such an important evidence that he had to "improve" it.

:Within the Wikipedia system, the basic principle is that the contributors must provide reliable sources for their contributions. This has not been done in this case so far. The most remarkable thing about this, is not that questions are raised now, but that they haven't been asked before. If our concerns were false, and the arguments and sources of the defenders were good enough, this article would have been kept as a good article. Instead, the number of articles have fallen from 69 languages to 29 in two weeks. That is not my work alone, that is a series of independent decisions by different administrators.

:Oberon12 tries to establish me as the problem (forgetting K9re11  and swedish sysop Hangsna) Such accusations is an old strategy, and I've met them before, in some of the other cross-wiki-spamming campaigns I've fighted. You can read about them on my en:wp user page: :en:User:Orland. I can't blame Oberon12 for not knowing that cross-wiki-spam is quite common on Wikipedia, but they are, and there are several of us trying to deal with it.

:There is no such thing as a "cross-wiki-attack" here, Oberon12. This is just good old administrator work to defend the credibility of Wikipedia from being used for promoting someones interests. Please stick to the matter: provide good sources. And; if you can't convince italian Wikipedia to keep an article about the movement, that is not a good token. Bw Orland (alderique) 23:00 15 mar 2016 (UTC)

::::@Orland: Congratulations for this amazing result!

::::With your help, a page re Culture, Art and Poetry has been destroyed in many wikis and will be in others. With the page you have also destroyed the message of Peace and cooperation among peoples of different cultures, a message in which artists and poets of the movement had believed. Next time before proposing the deletion of an article please read and understand the content better. As to the independent reliable sources, articles from poetry reviews of different countries have been added; on your request another photo of the meeting with Ferlinghetti has been uploaded. What's more ?--Oberon12 (discussion) 17 mas 2016 à 07:23 (UTC)

::::: There is no good argument in playing hurt, or in accusing me for not beeing able to "read and understand". Do you really think that "the message of Peace and cooperation among peoples of different cultures" is depending upon this Wikipedia entry? Either you provide good sources that could convince all of us experiences users that are looking into this now, or you take the blame for trying to use Wikipedia for promoting your network. Bw --Orland (discussion) 1 avril 2016 à 10:26 (UTC)

:: The subject of the article has no verifiable secondary sources, is not yet notable and involves living people. I believe the article should be removed until the subject is described by a reliable secondary source. —LLarson (di & fè) 16 mas 2016 à 23:23 (UTC)

:::. Please note that independent secondary sources have been recently added (poetry reviews from different countries). Yes, it involves living persons like hundreds articles on Wikipedia re living actors, singers, sportsmen etc. Living persons that love Culture, Poetry and Art with the aim of mutual understanding and peace. What a failure if the page will be deleted again--Oberon12 (discussion) 17 mas 2016 à 18:29 (UTC)
I've transcluded this to Diskisyon Wikipedya:Paj pou efase.  (I do not understand why anyone would care whether Person X did or did not meet Person Y in a particular place.  Surely all sorts of people have met this person.)  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 17 mas 2016 à 04:32 (UTC)

I appreciate the sentiment. My biggest motivation in volunteering to edit Wikipedia is the liberation and preservation of knowledge. However, we must follow the rules, and I don’t believe that the topic IMMAGINE&POESIA does follow the rules. This discussion has little to do with you and much to do with following the rules. I reviewed the references added early today, and I have the following concerns:

: I find the four recently added references problematic: (i) 2084‑1124 is a proper ISSN, but it’s for a bloghttp://worldcat.org/issn/2084-1124 (ii) The Seventh Quarry is a magazine, but it doesn’t seem to review poetry as Oberon12 indicated twice“articles from poetry reviews of different countries have been added”“independent secondary sources have been recently added (poetry reviews from different countries)” — even in cases where the poets are featuredhttp://rua.ua.es/dspace/bitstream/10045/53707/1/2015_Gaspar-Jaen_The-Seventh-Quarry.pdf or https://imgur.com/mmvbs2v (iii) I am unable to verify the content of any of these new references as they are cited (iv) I am also unable to verify that the articles as they are cited even exist. Finally, this many red flags from a single edit, is itself, another red flag. Thank you. —LLarson (di & fè) 17 mas 2016 à 19:31 (UTC)

::Do those refs actually mention this group by name, and say something about the group that exceeds merely "This poet belongs to (or founded) this group"?   WhatamIdoing (discussion) 18 mas 2016 à 21:27 (UTC)

I have added a reference of the Art Review on ArtSlant re what the Movement is and what it does .
All the references added mention "Immagine & Poesia" as an art literary movement. The Seventh Quarry is a poetry review published in Wales: since 2014 it has published articles re the Movement once a year (of course not the issue referring to 6 Catalan poets posted by someone). Krytyca Literacka is above all a paper poetry review published in Poland. There is a book published in NY . I don't think that all the articles  on Wikipedia have more references than these. Let me know please what else is needed. Thanks--Oberon12 (discussion) 22 mas 2016 à 14:10 (UTC)

:Hi, Oberon12.  The "book published in NY" is useless.  It's written by the founder herself, and the US Amazon website says it's just a collection of her poems.

:Do those sources say anything else about "Immagine & Poesia" other than "it's an art movement"?  A namecheck simply isn't enough to support a whole article.  Here's how this usually works:

:# Find all the reliable sources.

:# Throw away (temporarily) anything written by or influenced by the people involved in this (e.g., any article by or interview with any person whose name is in the article, plus any of their best friends/family members/business associates/whatever).

:# Throw away (temporarily) any self-published source, which includes nearly all websites.  (I think you've already done this.)

:# Look only at the reliable sources that are left.

:# In those sources, find the sentences/paragraphs that are explicitly/directly/by name about the movement'.  This means, for example, that you have to exclude all sentences that talk about Lidia Chiarelli's life and art.

:# Make a list of the facts that are left.  For example, most of the remaining sources probably say something like "Immagine & Poesia is an art movement" and "Immagine & Poesia was founded by Lidia Chiarelli".  So that's two separate facts, even if those facts appear in one (or one hundred) of the remaining sources.

:From what I can see, I'm guessing that there aren't very many separate facts that appear in these (independent, non-self-published) reliable sources.  But it's the list of those facts that determine whether there is, in the jargon of the English Wikipedia, "significant coverage" of Immagine & Poesia itself.  If you can share that list, then we might be able to help you out more easily.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 23 mas 2016 à 00:47 (UTC)

::Hi  WhatamIdoing and thanks for your info. Sentences/paragraphs about the movement are in The Seventh Quarry (UK) and in Krytyca Literacka (Poland) that are independent, reliable sources (but you say you can't verify them). You can verify the Art Review published on ArtSlant . Here you can read sentences like: Immagine & Poesia, an international movement that publishes and exhibits poems paired with visual artworks...Immagine & Poesia was founded 8 years ago, by Chiarelli, Aeronwy Thomas, Gianpiero Acits, Alessandro Actis, and a group of other artists, critics and poets, on the belief that when art and poetry are presented side-by-side, each has the chance to inform, enhance and interact with the other.  The audience's response can be multiplied by more than the power of two, as imagery and words resonate separately or in harmony. As to the book published in NY (that unfortunately is useless because it was written by one of the founders) it is not only a collection of poems and images, but in its 2 Forewards (in English and Italian by an American and an Italian critic) there is the story of the Movement and its aims.--Oberon12 (discussion) 23 mas 2016 à 06:07 (UTC)

:::For this purpose – for the purpose of deciding whether people outside the movement pay enough attention to independently publish things about the movement – that book (including the forewards) are useless.  Nothing about the book was published by someone separated from and independent of the movement.

:::Are there any other facts left?  Because if not, then the movement itself really isn't getting enough attention to qualify for a separate article.  (As a rough rule of thumb, we need enough independently reported facts to write more than 10 good, long sentences.)  That doesn't mean that the information can't be mentioned anywhere in any Wikipedia; it just means that it doesn't get its own, separate page.  For example, at the English Wikipedia, it might be perfectly reasonable to add a short description (similar in style and length to the others) about Immagine & Poesia to w:en:List of poetry groups and movements.  There's currently no similar page here, but a similar principle applies (or you could create a new list here  :-) .  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 24 mas 2016 à 05:44 (UTC)

:::As other users have said, "a brief research suggests that Immagine-Poesia is indeed a genuine artistic movement in Italy, even if a small one, and if Aeronwy Thomas is involved it is worth a short article at least".

:::WhatamIdoing asked "Are there any other facts left?". Yes there are. Added articles from Montecarlo News, from a Tunisian newspaper and other quotes from The Seventh Quarry. Now the references are 14, including ArtSlant, 8 of which are independent, secondary sources (articles not written by the founders of the Movement). But probably whatever we add or do is useless, if the decision to delete the page is already taken. I wonder if all the articles on Wikipedia have all the references you ask. Moreover, as WhatamIdoing (who seems to be an experienced user) suggests to add a short description at the en.wikipedia, I'll be grateful if he can help to do so in the right form, for ex. preparing a draft in a sandbox. This way all info re the Movement will not get lost. I thank anyone who can help to save the page--Aeron10 (discussion) 1 avril 2016 à 06:56 (UTC)

::::::::We are so honored that one of the events organized by IMMAGINE & POESIA has been included in the international celebrations for #DylanDay http://www.llenyddiaethcymru.org/dylan-day-events/

::::::::Turin, Italy-16 May - Tribute to Dylan Thomas- Conference on Dylan Thomas and his stay in Italy. See HERE  for more details.----Oberon12 (discussion) 28 avril 2016 à 16:38 (UTC)

:::::::Please just have a look at the Anthology of IMMAGINE & POESIA (2016 edition) and see how the Movement works : you will find 60 contributions from Poets and Artists of 34 countries of the 5 continents, all working for the love of Beauty and Peace--Aeron10 (discussion) 16 me 2016 à 13:26 (UTC)

:# Find all the reliable sources.


Diskisyon Itilizatè:Missvain

Welcome, Missvain.  I'd be happy to see you around more often.  You might be interested in the ideas at Wikipedya:Kafe#Plan for attracting users, since you have some experience in that area.  WhatamIdoing (discussion) 17 mas 2016 à 05:31 (UTC)


Diskisyon Itilizatè:DARIO SEVERI

Bonjou, Dario ! M panse ke lang nan ke nou gen pi an komen se angle, donk : Thank you for your recent additions to Wikipedya an kreyòl! The pages you modified look like they are for places in the Provincia de Málaga, and should probably transclude  instead of . Also, they are all part of a categories that misspell the kreyòl word for province: it should be “” and “” instead of “” and “”. Do you have an automated way to make these changes, or should I get started? Again,  ak Byenveni ! —LLarson (di & fè) 22 mas 2016 à 14:43 (UTC)

Do you want to move the old article to Losanjelès? If so I deleted it to make way for a move. If not, a redirect should point to the primary location
WhisperToMe (discussion) 7 jen 2016 à 23:28 (UTC)

Hi , I created the page Losanjelès because in the article Etazini existed the red link with that name , later I found out that there was the article Los Angeles, Kalifòni on the same subject created before. Now I'm a little confused because I do not know which of the two is best used on maps published in Haiti (my little dictionary does not show it), I would like to use it as the main name and others as redirects. You or  have an idea about the most used? DARIO SEVERI (discussion) 8 jen 2016 à 05:23 (UTC)

:Larson may know. Personally I have no idea! WhisperToMe (discussion) 8 jen 2016 à 08:55 (UTC)

::@, : Sorry about the delay. Here’s what I have: of all my dictionaries, only one has an entry for Los Angeles, and the translation it gives is Lòsannjelès, Lòsanjelès.Freeman, Bryant (2011). Haitian–English Dictionary (6th ed.). p. 564. ISBN 978-1-61195-002-1. I only found Lòsanjelès though here, p. 34, if this counts as a source. Maybe just Los Angeles then, I’m not sure.

:::@, thanks for your information. Better keep Los Angeles as main name, I will not create any redirect. DARIO SEVERI (discussion) 10 jen 2016 à 19:16 (UTC)

::::@: I will create the redirects, which will help future visitors find the content they want (and inform future editors that the content already exists). 😊 Mèsi ankò ! —LLarson (di & fè) 10 jen 2016 à 20:40 (UTC)

Alo, ou kapab amelyore atik sa a, gras: Tenerife, Zile Canary.--83.46.38.195 5 septanm 2016 à 10:49 (UTC)

*Mwen ta renmen fè sa a, men lang kreyòl ayisyen mwen an se twò move. Ou ka wè nan sa a tranzaksyon.

*I would like do this but my Haitian Creole language is too bad. You can see in this transation. DARIO SEVERI (discussion) 5 septanm 2016 à 16:58 (UTC)


Diskisyon Itilizatè:Goldorak le Grand

Bonjou ak byenveni nan Wikipedya an kreyòl ! Mwen trè kontan wè redaksyon ou pou Negritid ak Etazini. Pa gen anpil moun ki kap pale kreyòl konsa, donk m vle ankouraje w kontinye. Si ou bezwen anyen ede, gen moun amikal ki kap ede w nan Wikipedya:Kafe a. Onè ak anpil respè. —LLarson (di & fè) 29 avril 2016 à 20:37 (UTC)
*Nan paj Wikipedya:Kafe a, gen anpil moun k ap pale anglè, m pa sa pale lang sa a... Men se pa yon problèm ki ensimontab... Mèsi anpil, LLarson ! — Goldorak le Grand...

: Ha ! 😂😳 Men w ap dwat. Petèt li kap montre w kouman pa gen ase kreyòl isit la. Kijan sijè atik ou renmen edite ? Mwen kap definitivman montre w anpil atik ki bezwen yon oratè kreyòl reyèl ! Mèsi anpil, —LLarson (di & fè) 30 avril 2016 à 12:04 (UTC)

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