{"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9q1wdw","c_root_id_B":"e9qb9zs","created_at_utc_A":1542250492,"created_at_utc_B":1542260172,"score_A":5458,"score_B":8875,"human_ref_A":"Did you have any costs from the hospital visit? The school might not see the problem with their actions, but their insurance might. Maybe submitting a claim would get their attention?","human_ref_B":"I grew up with a tree nut allergy, so my parents had to deal with the same issues you're facing now. It's great that you're so proactive in teaching your son to stand up for himself -- my mom did that for me, and it's a skill that comes in handy! Sadly, people can be really stupid about allergies, and it puts kids at risk. Lots of parents and teachers would tempt me to ignore my mom's rules and eat the class treats. Thank god I said no, because more than once those treats contained nuts. It's a heavy burden to put on a 6 year old, and your principal is way out of line blaming your son for these reactions. You say your son's allergy isn't severe, but any allergy that *could* be life threatening *is* severe... and the school should be taking it seriously. IMO they're violating your son's rights and the ADA by giving him peanut-contaminated food. But the reality is that it's difficult to prove ADA complaints, or even get them resolved (I've tried). Here's what I would recommend: 1. Buy a novelty lunchbox and fill it with special treats for your son. Bring it to school and **insist** that they put it in the classroom. At snack time, he gets those snacks, and nothing else. (I was obsessed with the Lion King, so we had a 3D Simba lunchbox that was, frankly, very rad.) 2. Tell your son to stop accepting food from the teacher(s), full stop. He can only have food at lunchtime or from his special lunchbox. If the school complains, remind them that they've already caused an allergic reaction **three times** and you need to protect your son. 3. Can he read? Start teaching him to read ingredients labels, and to recognize the word \"PEANUTS\". There are lots of big words in ingredients labels, but the allergens are usually listed in bold and repeated at the bottom. Make it second nature to check all his food -- this has saved me more than once as an adult. 4. In case you don't already know, F.A.R.E. has been the #1 resource on food allergies for literally decades: https:\/\/www.foodallergy.org\/They might have some more ideas. 5. MOST IMPORTANT: Are there Epi-Pens at school? Where are they kept, and do teachers know where they're kept? Can teachers name the signs of a dangerous reaction? Will the school administer Epi-Pens in an emergency? My biggest fear here isn't that they'll give your son peanuts again... it's that they'll give him peanuts and then *ignore a life-threatening reaction*. If they're clueless enough to keep giving your son peanut butter crackers, what will they do if he goes into anaphylactic shock? You're right, the school has an obligation to protect your son and they're failing him. This needs to go to the school board, the superintendent, and whoever else holds power over the school. Trust your instincts: this feels like a big deal *because it is!* Don't wait for them to make him sick a fourth time. Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9680.0,"score_ratio":1.6260534995} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9qb9zs","c_root_id_B":"e9pym98","created_at_utc_A":1542260172,"created_at_utc_B":1542247506,"score_A":8875,"score_B":1932,"human_ref_A":"I grew up with a tree nut allergy, so my parents had to deal with the same issues you're facing now. It's great that you're so proactive in teaching your son to stand up for himself -- my mom did that for me, and it's a skill that comes in handy! Sadly, people can be really stupid about allergies, and it puts kids at risk. Lots of parents and teachers would tempt me to ignore my mom's rules and eat the class treats. Thank god I said no, because more than once those treats contained nuts. It's a heavy burden to put on a 6 year old, and your principal is way out of line blaming your son for these reactions. You say your son's allergy isn't severe, but any allergy that *could* be life threatening *is* severe... and the school should be taking it seriously. IMO they're violating your son's rights and the ADA by giving him peanut-contaminated food. But the reality is that it's difficult to prove ADA complaints, or even get them resolved (I've tried). Here's what I would recommend: 1. Buy a novelty lunchbox and fill it with special treats for your son. Bring it to school and **insist** that they put it in the classroom. At snack time, he gets those snacks, and nothing else. (I was obsessed with the Lion King, so we had a 3D Simba lunchbox that was, frankly, very rad.) 2. Tell your son to stop accepting food from the teacher(s), full stop. He can only have food at lunchtime or from his special lunchbox. If the school complains, remind them that they've already caused an allergic reaction **three times** and you need to protect your son. 3. Can he read? Start teaching him to read ingredients labels, and to recognize the word \"PEANUTS\". There are lots of big words in ingredients labels, but the allergens are usually listed in bold and repeated at the bottom. Make it second nature to check all his food -- this has saved me more than once as an adult. 4. In case you don't already know, F.A.R.E. has been the #1 resource on food allergies for literally decades: https:\/\/www.foodallergy.org\/They might have some more ideas. 5. MOST IMPORTANT: Are there Epi-Pens at school? Where are they kept, and do teachers know where they're kept? Can teachers name the signs of a dangerous reaction? Will the school administer Epi-Pens in an emergency? My biggest fear here isn't that they'll give your son peanuts again... it's that they'll give him peanuts and then *ignore a life-threatening reaction*. If they're clueless enough to keep giving your son peanut butter crackers, what will they do if he goes into anaphylactic shock? You're right, the school has an obligation to protect your son and they're failing him. This needs to go to the school board, the superintendent, and whoever else holds power over the school. Trust your instincts: this feels like a big deal *because it is!* Don't wait for them to make him sick a fourth time. Good luck!","human_ref_B":"Get a 504 plan. Also the allergy can worsen as the child is exposed to nuts. The school and teacher are ignoring this and need a wake-up call. Go to the superintendent.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12666.0,"score_ratio":4.5936853002} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9qb9zs","c_root_id_B":"e9px5zt","created_at_utc_A":1542260172,"created_at_utc_B":1542246195,"score_A":8875,"score_B":1403,"human_ref_A":"I grew up with a tree nut allergy, so my parents had to deal with the same issues you're facing now. It's great that you're so proactive in teaching your son to stand up for himself -- my mom did that for me, and it's a skill that comes in handy! Sadly, people can be really stupid about allergies, and it puts kids at risk. Lots of parents and teachers would tempt me to ignore my mom's rules and eat the class treats. Thank god I said no, because more than once those treats contained nuts. It's a heavy burden to put on a 6 year old, and your principal is way out of line blaming your son for these reactions. You say your son's allergy isn't severe, but any allergy that *could* be life threatening *is* severe... and the school should be taking it seriously. IMO they're violating your son's rights and the ADA by giving him peanut-contaminated food. But the reality is that it's difficult to prove ADA complaints, or even get them resolved (I've tried). Here's what I would recommend: 1. Buy a novelty lunchbox and fill it with special treats for your son. Bring it to school and **insist** that they put it in the classroom. At snack time, he gets those snacks, and nothing else. (I was obsessed with the Lion King, so we had a 3D Simba lunchbox that was, frankly, very rad.) 2. Tell your son to stop accepting food from the teacher(s), full stop. He can only have food at lunchtime or from his special lunchbox. If the school complains, remind them that they've already caused an allergic reaction **three times** and you need to protect your son. 3. Can he read? Start teaching him to read ingredients labels, and to recognize the word \"PEANUTS\". There are lots of big words in ingredients labels, but the allergens are usually listed in bold and repeated at the bottom. Make it second nature to check all his food -- this has saved me more than once as an adult. 4. In case you don't already know, F.A.R.E. has been the #1 resource on food allergies for literally decades: https:\/\/www.foodallergy.org\/They might have some more ideas. 5. MOST IMPORTANT: Are there Epi-Pens at school? Where are they kept, and do teachers know where they're kept? Can teachers name the signs of a dangerous reaction? Will the school administer Epi-Pens in an emergency? My biggest fear here isn't that they'll give your son peanuts again... it's that they'll give him peanuts and then *ignore a life-threatening reaction*. If they're clueless enough to keep giving your son peanut butter crackers, what will they do if he goes into anaphylactic shock? You're right, the school has an obligation to protect your son and they're failing him. This needs to go to the school board, the superintendent, and whoever else holds power over the school. Trust your instincts: this feels like a big deal *because it is!* Don't wait for them to make him sick a fourth time. Good luck!","human_ref_B":"You need to contact the district heads office and find out who is in charge of 504 planning and request a504 plan for your child ASAP. 504 plans protect child with disabilities-and an allergy would qualify. It starts to become a federal discrimination issue and a huge ass liability for the school. If that doesn\u2019t snap their asses into line look for an attorney that specializes in school law. What assholes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13977.0,"score_ratio":6.3257305773} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9qb9zs","c_root_id_B":"e9q5m8q","created_at_utc_A":1542260172,"created_at_utc_B":1542253919,"score_A":8875,"score_B":1126,"human_ref_A":"I grew up with a tree nut allergy, so my parents had to deal with the same issues you're facing now. It's great that you're so proactive in teaching your son to stand up for himself -- my mom did that for me, and it's a skill that comes in handy! Sadly, people can be really stupid about allergies, and it puts kids at risk. Lots of parents and teachers would tempt me to ignore my mom's rules and eat the class treats. Thank god I said no, because more than once those treats contained nuts. It's a heavy burden to put on a 6 year old, and your principal is way out of line blaming your son for these reactions. You say your son's allergy isn't severe, but any allergy that *could* be life threatening *is* severe... and the school should be taking it seriously. IMO they're violating your son's rights and the ADA by giving him peanut-contaminated food. But the reality is that it's difficult to prove ADA complaints, or even get them resolved (I've tried). Here's what I would recommend: 1. Buy a novelty lunchbox and fill it with special treats for your son. Bring it to school and **insist** that they put it in the classroom. At snack time, he gets those snacks, and nothing else. (I was obsessed with the Lion King, so we had a 3D Simba lunchbox that was, frankly, very rad.) 2. Tell your son to stop accepting food from the teacher(s), full stop. He can only have food at lunchtime or from his special lunchbox. If the school complains, remind them that they've already caused an allergic reaction **three times** and you need to protect your son. 3. Can he read? Start teaching him to read ingredients labels, and to recognize the word \"PEANUTS\". There are lots of big words in ingredients labels, but the allergens are usually listed in bold and repeated at the bottom. Make it second nature to check all his food -- this has saved me more than once as an adult. 4. In case you don't already know, F.A.R.E. has been the #1 resource on food allergies for literally decades: https:\/\/www.foodallergy.org\/They might have some more ideas. 5. MOST IMPORTANT: Are there Epi-Pens at school? Where are they kept, and do teachers know where they're kept? Can teachers name the signs of a dangerous reaction? Will the school administer Epi-Pens in an emergency? My biggest fear here isn't that they'll give your son peanuts again... it's that they'll give him peanuts and then *ignore a life-threatening reaction*. If they're clueless enough to keep giving your son peanut butter crackers, what will they do if he goes into anaphylactic shock? You're right, the school has an obligation to protect your son and they're failing him. This needs to go to the school board, the superintendent, and whoever else holds power over the school. Trust your instincts: this feels like a big deal *because it is!* Don't wait for them to make him sick a fourth time. Good luck!","human_ref_B":"My son has a severe tree but allergy. In fact, the first instance of it was when I sent him with pistachios (he wanted to try them because his friend had them) and we found out when he had an anaphylactic reaction at school. He is older than your little guy (10) and is very good about asking about ingredients and reading labels. Even so, the school has notices on the door to his class, epi pens in the nurse\u2019s office, an action plan for both the nurse and teacher, I send in separate snacks for parties (they bring their own snacks daily) and he sits at a nut free table for lunch. All of these should be standard precautions your school takes to protect him and others. And this would absolutely be a hill I would die on in regards to the school district. I would email the Superintendent with a CC to the principal. The email would state exactly what you said here and also I would add that this is the last time you have a discussion with them. You inform them if it happens again, an attorney will be retained to protect your child\u2019s health. Definitely get a 504 if you don\u2019t have one already. If you do have one contact the 504 administrator for the district and tell them the school is in violation multiple times over. I would also consider asking for a class room switch to a more competent teacher. And definitely send in your own snack. If it is against the rules just tell them that them negligently trying to kill your kid is against the rules too. I am sure you are aware, but but allergies can progressively get worse. This needs to be fixed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6253.0,"score_ratio":7.8818827709} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9q2p25","c_root_id_B":"e9qb9zs","created_at_utc_A":1542251215,"created_at_utc_B":1542260172,"score_A":639,"score_B":8875,"human_ref_A":"You\u2019ve gotten good advice here on how to handle the behavior and lack of action by the school. I just wanted to throw a suggestion out there that you should pack a snack for your son to bring from now. Clearly you can\u2019t rely on the teachers to not give him peanuts, and it\u2019s too much responsibility for a 6 year old to figure out the ingredients of his snack everyday. Just tell them you are opting out of the \u201cclass snack\u201d and will be providing your son a snack from home everyday. I\u2019m sure that\u2019s something you could have his doctor write as a recommendation if need be.","human_ref_B":"I grew up with a tree nut allergy, so my parents had to deal with the same issues you're facing now. It's great that you're so proactive in teaching your son to stand up for himself -- my mom did that for me, and it's a skill that comes in handy! Sadly, people can be really stupid about allergies, and it puts kids at risk. Lots of parents and teachers would tempt me to ignore my mom's rules and eat the class treats. Thank god I said no, because more than once those treats contained nuts. It's a heavy burden to put on a 6 year old, and your principal is way out of line blaming your son for these reactions. You say your son's allergy isn't severe, but any allergy that *could* be life threatening *is* severe... and the school should be taking it seriously. IMO they're violating your son's rights and the ADA by giving him peanut-contaminated food. But the reality is that it's difficult to prove ADA complaints, or even get them resolved (I've tried). Here's what I would recommend: 1. Buy a novelty lunchbox and fill it with special treats for your son. Bring it to school and **insist** that they put it in the classroom. At snack time, he gets those snacks, and nothing else. (I was obsessed with the Lion King, so we had a 3D Simba lunchbox that was, frankly, very rad.) 2. Tell your son to stop accepting food from the teacher(s), full stop. He can only have food at lunchtime or from his special lunchbox. If the school complains, remind them that they've already caused an allergic reaction **three times** and you need to protect your son. 3. Can he read? Start teaching him to read ingredients labels, and to recognize the word \"PEANUTS\". There are lots of big words in ingredients labels, but the allergens are usually listed in bold and repeated at the bottom. Make it second nature to check all his food -- this has saved me more than once as an adult. 4. In case you don't already know, F.A.R.E. has been the #1 resource on food allergies for literally decades: https:\/\/www.foodallergy.org\/They might have some more ideas. 5. MOST IMPORTANT: Are there Epi-Pens at school? Where are they kept, and do teachers know where they're kept? Can teachers name the signs of a dangerous reaction? Will the school administer Epi-Pens in an emergency? My biggest fear here isn't that they'll give your son peanuts again... it's that they'll give him peanuts and then *ignore a life-threatening reaction*. If they're clueless enough to keep giving your son peanut butter crackers, what will they do if he goes into anaphylactic shock? You're right, the school has an obligation to protect your son and they're failing him. This needs to go to the school board, the superintendent, and whoever else holds power over the school. Trust your instincts: this feels like a big deal *because it is!* Don't wait for them to make him sick a fourth time. Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8957.0,"score_ratio":13.8888888889} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9qb9zs","c_root_id_B":"e9pycwx","created_at_utc_A":1542260172,"created_at_utc_B":1542247271,"score_A":8875,"score_B":437,"human_ref_A":"I grew up with a tree nut allergy, so my parents had to deal with the same issues you're facing now. It's great that you're so proactive in teaching your son to stand up for himself -- my mom did that for me, and it's a skill that comes in handy! Sadly, people can be really stupid about allergies, and it puts kids at risk. Lots of parents and teachers would tempt me to ignore my mom's rules and eat the class treats. Thank god I said no, because more than once those treats contained nuts. It's a heavy burden to put on a 6 year old, and your principal is way out of line blaming your son for these reactions. You say your son's allergy isn't severe, but any allergy that *could* be life threatening *is* severe... and the school should be taking it seriously. IMO they're violating your son's rights and the ADA by giving him peanut-contaminated food. But the reality is that it's difficult to prove ADA complaints, or even get them resolved (I've tried). Here's what I would recommend: 1. Buy a novelty lunchbox and fill it with special treats for your son. Bring it to school and **insist** that they put it in the classroom. At snack time, he gets those snacks, and nothing else. (I was obsessed with the Lion King, so we had a 3D Simba lunchbox that was, frankly, very rad.) 2. Tell your son to stop accepting food from the teacher(s), full stop. He can only have food at lunchtime or from his special lunchbox. If the school complains, remind them that they've already caused an allergic reaction **three times** and you need to protect your son. 3. Can he read? Start teaching him to read ingredients labels, and to recognize the word \"PEANUTS\". There are lots of big words in ingredients labels, but the allergens are usually listed in bold and repeated at the bottom. Make it second nature to check all his food -- this has saved me more than once as an adult. 4. In case you don't already know, F.A.R.E. has been the #1 resource on food allergies for literally decades: https:\/\/www.foodallergy.org\/They might have some more ideas. 5. MOST IMPORTANT: Are there Epi-Pens at school? Where are they kept, and do teachers know where they're kept? Can teachers name the signs of a dangerous reaction? Will the school administer Epi-Pens in an emergency? My biggest fear here isn't that they'll give your son peanuts again... it's that they'll give him peanuts and then *ignore a life-threatening reaction*. If they're clueless enough to keep giving your son peanut butter crackers, what will they do if he goes into anaphylactic shock? You're right, the school has an obligation to protect your son and they're failing him. This needs to go to the school board, the superintendent, and whoever else holds power over the school. Trust your instincts: this feels like a big deal *because it is!* Don't wait for them to make him sick a fourth time. Good luck!","human_ref_B":"I would send him with a [\"peanut allergy\" shirt or sticker]( https:\/\/lilallergyadvocates.com\/nut-allergy-alert-signs\/#stickers) *everyday,* from now until he can handle this himself (years from now). These people can't be trusted.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12901.0,"score_ratio":20.3089244851} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9q9v9t","c_root_id_B":"e9qb9zs","created_at_utc_A":1542258489,"created_at_utc_B":1542260172,"score_A":309,"score_B":8875,"human_ref_A":"I would go straight to the School Board ASAP, once or twice would be a simple matter of getting a section 504 plan, but messing up *this* many times is unforgivable, and needs to be dealt with impunity. They are potentially threatening your child's life, and as such, you should deal with this with equal seriousness. That said, you should still get a 504 plan in place to put the school within range of violating Federal discrimination laws by continuing to ignore this. You may also want to consider seeking damages related to the Hospital visit to get their insurance on their case. (and potentially the district lawyer). That will definitely give them a kick in the ass to be more careful.","human_ref_B":"I grew up with a tree nut allergy, so my parents had to deal with the same issues you're facing now. It's great that you're so proactive in teaching your son to stand up for himself -- my mom did that for me, and it's a skill that comes in handy! Sadly, people can be really stupid about allergies, and it puts kids at risk. Lots of parents and teachers would tempt me to ignore my mom's rules and eat the class treats. Thank god I said no, because more than once those treats contained nuts. It's a heavy burden to put on a 6 year old, and your principal is way out of line blaming your son for these reactions. You say your son's allergy isn't severe, but any allergy that *could* be life threatening *is* severe... and the school should be taking it seriously. IMO they're violating your son's rights and the ADA by giving him peanut-contaminated food. But the reality is that it's difficult to prove ADA complaints, or even get them resolved (I've tried). Here's what I would recommend: 1. Buy a novelty lunchbox and fill it with special treats for your son. Bring it to school and **insist** that they put it in the classroom. At snack time, he gets those snacks, and nothing else. (I was obsessed with the Lion King, so we had a 3D Simba lunchbox that was, frankly, very rad.) 2. Tell your son to stop accepting food from the teacher(s), full stop. He can only have food at lunchtime or from his special lunchbox. If the school complains, remind them that they've already caused an allergic reaction **three times** and you need to protect your son. 3. Can he read? Start teaching him to read ingredients labels, and to recognize the word \"PEANUTS\". There are lots of big words in ingredients labels, but the allergens are usually listed in bold and repeated at the bottom. Make it second nature to check all his food -- this has saved me more than once as an adult. 4. In case you don't already know, F.A.R.E. has been the #1 resource on food allergies for literally decades: https:\/\/www.foodallergy.org\/They might have some more ideas. 5. MOST IMPORTANT: Are there Epi-Pens at school? Where are they kept, and do teachers know where they're kept? Can teachers name the signs of a dangerous reaction? Will the school administer Epi-Pens in an emergency? My biggest fear here isn't that they'll give your son peanuts again... it's that they'll give him peanuts and then *ignore a life-threatening reaction*. If they're clueless enough to keep giving your son peanut butter crackers, what will they do if he goes into anaphylactic shock? You're right, the school has an obligation to protect your son and they're failing him. This needs to go to the school board, the superintendent, and whoever else holds power over the school. Trust your instincts: this feels like a big deal *because it is!* Don't wait for them to make him sick a fourth time. Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1683.0,"score_ratio":28.7216828479} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9qaejf","c_root_id_B":"e9qb9zs","created_at_utc_A":1542259120,"created_at_utc_B":1542260172,"score_A":61,"score_B":8875,"human_ref_A":"Talk to a lawyer about your options, you\u2019ve tried to be respectful to the school staff and cooperative, they are obviously unable to handle the situation. School districts have deep pockets, your lawyer might have some creative ideas.","human_ref_B":"I grew up with a tree nut allergy, so my parents had to deal with the same issues you're facing now. It's great that you're so proactive in teaching your son to stand up for himself -- my mom did that for me, and it's a skill that comes in handy! Sadly, people can be really stupid about allergies, and it puts kids at risk. Lots of parents and teachers would tempt me to ignore my mom's rules and eat the class treats. Thank god I said no, because more than once those treats contained nuts. It's a heavy burden to put on a 6 year old, and your principal is way out of line blaming your son for these reactions. You say your son's allergy isn't severe, but any allergy that *could* be life threatening *is* severe... and the school should be taking it seriously. IMO they're violating your son's rights and the ADA by giving him peanut-contaminated food. But the reality is that it's difficult to prove ADA complaints, or even get them resolved (I've tried). Here's what I would recommend: 1. Buy a novelty lunchbox and fill it with special treats for your son. Bring it to school and **insist** that they put it in the classroom. At snack time, he gets those snacks, and nothing else. (I was obsessed with the Lion King, so we had a 3D Simba lunchbox that was, frankly, very rad.) 2. Tell your son to stop accepting food from the teacher(s), full stop. He can only have food at lunchtime or from his special lunchbox. If the school complains, remind them that they've already caused an allergic reaction **three times** and you need to protect your son. 3. Can he read? Start teaching him to read ingredients labels, and to recognize the word \"PEANUTS\". There are lots of big words in ingredients labels, but the allergens are usually listed in bold and repeated at the bottom. Make it second nature to check all his food -- this has saved me more than once as an adult. 4. In case you don't already know, F.A.R.E. has been the #1 resource on food allergies for literally decades: https:\/\/www.foodallergy.org\/They might have some more ideas. 5. MOST IMPORTANT: Are there Epi-Pens at school? Where are they kept, and do teachers know where they're kept? Can teachers name the signs of a dangerous reaction? Will the school administer Epi-Pens in an emergency? My biggest fear here isn't that they'll give your son peanuts again... it's that they'll give him peanuts and then *ignore a life-threatening reaction*. If they're clueless enough to keep giving your son peanut butter crackers, what will they do if he goes into anaphylactic shock? You're right, the school has an obligation to protect your son and they're failing him. This needs to go to the school board, the superintendent, and whoever else holds power over the school. Trust your instincts: this feels like a big deal *because it is!* Don't wait for them to make him sick a fourth time. Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1052.0,"score_ratio":145.4918032787} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9q1wdw","c_root_id_B":"e9pym98","created_at_utc_A":1542250492,"created_at_utc_B":1542247506,"score_A":5458,"score_B":1932,"human_ref_A":"Did you have any costs from the hospital visit? The school might not see the problem with their actions, but their insurance might. Maybe submitting a claim would get their attention?","human_ref_B":"Get a 504 plan. Also the allergy can worsen as the child is exposed to nuts. The school and teacher are ignoring this and need a wake-up call. Go to the superintendent.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2986.0,"score_ratio":2.8250517598} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9q1wdw","c_root_id_B":"e9px5zt","created_at_utc_A":1542250492,"created_at_utc_B":1542246195,"score_A":5458,"score_B":1403,"human_ref_A":"Did you have any costs from the hospital visit? The school might not see the problem with their actions, but their insurance might. Maybe submitting a claim would get their attention?","human_ref_B":"You need to contact the district heads office and find out who is in charge of 504 planning and request a504 plan for your child ASAP. 504 plans protect child with disabilities-and an allergy would qualify. It starts to become a federal discrimination issue and a huge ass liability for the school. If that doesn\u2019t snap their asses into line look for an attorney that specializes in school law. What assholes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4297.0,"score_ratio":3.8902352103} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9pycwx","c_root_id_B":"e9q1wdw","created_at_utc_A":1542247271,"created_at_utc_B":1542250492,"score_A":437,"score_B":5458,"human_ref_A":"I would send him with a [\"peanut allergy\" shirt or sticker]( https:\/\/lilallergyadvocates.com\/nut-allergy-alert-signs\/#stickers) *everyday,* from now until he can handle this himself (years from now). These people can't be trusted.","human_ref_B":"Did you have any costs from the hospital visit? The school might not see the problem with their actions, but their insurance might. Maybe submitting a claim would get their attention?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3221.0,"score_ratio":12.4897025172} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9pym98","c_root_id_B":"e9px5zt","created_at_utc_A":1542247506,"created_at_utc_B":1542246195,"score_A":1932,"score_B":1403,"human_ref_A":"Get a 504 plan. Also the allergy can worsen as the child is exposed to nuts. The school and teacher are ignoring this and need a wake-up call. Go to the superintendent.","human_ref_B":"You need to contact the district heads office and find out who is in charge of 504 planning and request a504 plan for your child ASAP. 504 plans protect child with disabilities-and an allergy would qualify. It starts to become a federal discrimination issue and a huge ass liability for the school. If that doesn\u2019t snap their asses into line look for an attorney that specializes in school law. What assholes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1311.0,"score_ratio":1.3770491803} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9pycwx","c_root_id_B":"e9pym98","created_at_utc_A":1542247271,"created_at_utc_B":1542247506,"score_A":437,"score_B":1932,"human_ref_A":"I would send him with a [\"peanut allergy\" shirt or sticker]( https:\/\/lilallergyadvocates.com\/nut-allergy-alert-signs\/#stickers) *everyday,* from now until he can handle this himself (years from now). These people can't be trusted.","human_ref_B":"Get a 504 plan. Also the allergy can worsen as the child is exposed to nuts. The school and teacher are ignoring this and need a wake-up call. Go to the superintendent.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":235.0,"score_ratio":4.4210526316} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9q5m8q","c_root_id_B":"e9q2p25","created_at_utc_A":1542253919,"created_at_utc_B":1542251215,"score_A":1126,"score_B":639,"human_ref_A":"My son has a severe tree but allergy. In fact, the first instance of it was when I sent him with pistachios (he wanted to try them because his friend had them) and we found out when he had an anaphylactic reaction at school. He is older than your little guy (10) and is very good about asking about ingredients and reading labels. Even so, the school has notices on the door to his class, epi pens in the nurse\u2019s office, an action plan for both the nurse and teacher, I send in separate snacks for parties (they bring their own snacks daily) and he sits at a nut free table for lunch. All of these should be standard precautions your school takes to protect him and others. And this would absolutely be a hill I would die on in regards to the school district. I would email the Superintendent with a CC to the principal. The email would state exactly what you said here and also I would add that this is the last time you have a discussion with them. You inform them if it happens again, an attorney will be retained to protect your child\u2019s health. Definitely get a 504 if you don\u2019t have one already. If you do have one contact the 504 administrator for the district and tell them the school is in violation multiple times over. I would also consider asking for a class room switch to a more competent teacher. And definitely send in your own snack. If it is against the rules just tell them that them negligently trying to kill your kid is against the rules too. I am sure you are aware, but but allergies can progressively get worse. This needs to be fixed.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019ve gotten good advice here on how to handle the behavior and lack of action by the school. I just wanted to throw a suggestion out there that you should pack a snack for your son to bring from now. Clearly you can\u2019t rely on the teachers to not give him peanuts, and it\u2019s too much responsibility for a 6 year old to figure out the ingredients of his snack everyday. Just tell them you are opting out of the \u201cclass snack\u201d and will be providing your son a snack from home everyday. I\u2019m sure that\u2019s something you could have his doctor write as a recommendation if need be.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2704.0,"score_ratio":1.7621283255} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9q5m8q","c_root_id_B":"e9pycwx","created_at_utc_A":1542253919,"created_at_utc_B":1542247271,"score_A":1126,"score_B":437,"human_ref_A":"My son has a severe tree but allergy. In fact, the first instance of it was when I sent him with pistachios (he wanted to try them because his friend had them) and we found out when he had an anaphylactic reaction at school. He is older than your little guy (10) and is very good about asking about ingredients and reading labels. Even so, the school has notices on the door to his class, epi pens in the nurse\u2019s office, an action plan for both the nurse and teacher, I send in separate snacks for parties (they bring their own snacks daily) and he sits at a nut free table for lunch. All of these should be standard precautions your school takes to protect him and others. And this would absolutely be a hill I would die on in regards to the school district. I would email the Superintendent with a CC to the principal. The email would state exactly what you said here and also I would add that this is the last time you have a discussion with them. You inform them if it happens again, an attorney will be retained to protect your child\u2019s health. Definitely get a 504 if you don\u2019t have one already. If you do have one contact the 504 administrator for the district and tell them the school is in violation multiple times over. I would also consider asking for a class room switch to a more competent teacher. And definitely send in your own snack. If it is against the rules just tell them that them negligently trying to kill your kid is against the rules too. I am sure you are aware, but but allergies can progressively get worse. This needs to be fixed.","human_ref_B":"I would send him with a [\"peanut allergy\" shirt or sticker]( https:\/\/lilallergyadvocates.com\/nut-allergy-alert-signs\/#stickers) *everyday,* from now until he can handle this himself (years from now). These people can't be trusted.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6648.0,"score_ratio":2.5766590389} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9pycwx","c_root_id_B":"e9q2p25","created_at_utc_A":1542247271,"created_at_utc_B":1542251215,"score_A":437,"score_B":639,"human_ref_A":"I would send him with a [\"peanut allergy\" shirt or sticker]( https:\/\/lilallergyadvocates.com\/nut-allergy-alert-signs\/#stickers) *everyday,* from now until he can handle this himself (years from now). These people can't be trusted.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019ve gotten good advice here on how to handle the behavior and lack of action by the school. I just wanted to throw a suggestion out there that you should pack a snack for your son to bring from now. Clearly you can\u2019t rely on the teachers to not give him peanuts, and it\u2019s too much responsibility for a 6 year old to figure out the ingredients of his snack everyday. Just tell them you are opting out of the \u201cclass snack\u201d and will be providing your son a snack from home everyday. I\u2019m sure that\u2019s something you could have his doctor write as a recommendation if need be.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3944.0,"score_ratio":1.4622425629} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9qckmb","c_root_id_B":"e9pycwx","created_at_utc_A":1542261824,"created_at_utc_B":1542247271,"score_A":548,"score_B":437,"human_ref_A":"There are legal issues for the school here and they are liable for the costs you incur. The only reason I know this is that a direct relative in my home is a school principle and has dealt with this exact same issue. The school is clearly grossly incompetent and negligent as well as liable. Get a lawyer, at a minimum recover your costs for hospital and doctors visits, as well as attorney fees.","human_ref_B":"I would send him with a [\"peanut allergy\" shirt or sticker]( https:\/\/lilallergyadvocates.com\/nut-allergy-alert-signs\/#stickers) *everyday,* from now until he can handle this himself (years from now). These people can't be trusted.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14553.0,"score_ratio":1.2540045767} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9qckmb","c_root_id_B":"e9q9v9t","created_at_utc_A":1542261824,"created_at_utc_B":1542258489,"score_A":548,"score_B":309,"human_ref_A":"There are legal issues for the school here and they are liable for the costs you incur. The only reason I know this is that a direct relative in my home is a school principle and has dealt with this exact same issue. The school is clearly grossly incompetent and negligent as well as liable. Get a lawyer, at a minimum recover your costs for hospital and doctors visits, as well as attorney fees.","human_ref_B":"I would go straight to the School Board ASAP, once or twice would be a simple matter of getting a section 504 plan, but messing up *this* many times is unforgivable, and needs to be dealt with impunity. They are potentially threatening your child's life, and as such, you should deal with this with equal seriousness. That said, you should still get a 504 plan in place to put the school within range of violating Federal discrimination laws by continuing to ignore this. You may also want to consider seeking damages related to the Hospital visit to get their insurance on their case. (and potentially the district lawyer). That will definitely give them a kick in the ass to be more careful.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3335.0,"score_ratio":1.7734627832} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9qckmb","c_root_id_B":"e9qckjm","created_at_utc_A":1542261824,"created_at_utc_B":1542261821,"score_A":548,"score_B":130,"human_ref_A":"There are legal issues for the school here and they are liable for the costs you incur. The only reason I know this is that a direct relative in my home is a school principle and has dealt with this exact same issue. The school is clearly grossly incompetent and negligent as well as liable. Get a lawyer, at a minimum recover your costs for hospital and doctors visits, as well as attorney fees.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer Considering they're endangering your child while knowingly aware of his allergy can certainly be cause for reckless endamgerment of a child, and I suspect at least the teacher would have to get transferred to another school (or possibly fired). I'd suggest the board, and if they give the same crap as the principal, go to police as well as put him in a different school if possible. You're doing your best to teach him about nuts, but a second grader just isn't going to know what has nuts and what doesn't. Or, could you pack him his own snacks until he learns what has nuts and what doesn't?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3.0,"score_ratio":4.2153846154} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9qaejf","c_root_id_B":"e9qckmb","created_at_utc_A":1542259120,"created_at_utc_B":1542261824,"score_A":61,"score_B":548,"human_ref_A":"Talk to a lawyer about your options, you\u2019ve tried to be respectful to the school staff and cooperative, they are obviously unable to handle the situation. School districts have deep pockets, your lawyer might have some creative ideas.","human_ref_B":"There are legal issues for the school here and they are liable for the costs you incur. The only reason I know this is that a direct relative in my home is a school principle and has dealt with this exact same issue. The school is clearly grossly incompetent and negligent as well as liable. Get a lawyer, at a minimum recover your costs for hospital and doctors visits, as well as attorney fees.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2704.0,"score_ratio":8.9836065574} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9qcfh9","c_root_id_B":"e9qckmb","created_at_utc_A":1542261638,"created_at_utc_B":1542261824,"score_A":40,"score_B":548,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ll second the 504 and add that you\u2019ll want a written health plan. When they aren\u2019t followed you need to file a civil rights complaint.","human_ref_B":"There are legal issues for the school here and they are liable for the costs you incur. The only reason I know this is that a direct relative in my home is a school principle and has dealt with this exact same issue. The school is clearly grossly incompetent and negligent as well as liable. Get a lawyer, at a minimum recover your costs for hospital and doctors visits, as well as attorney fees.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":186.0,"score_ratio":13.7} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9qckjm","c_root_id_B":"e9qaejf","created_at_utc_A":1542261821,"created_at_utc_B":1542259120,"score_A":130,"score_B":61,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer Considering they're endangering your child while knowingly aware of his allergy can certainly be cause for reckless endamgerment of a child, and I suspect at least the teacher would have to get transferred to another school (or possibly fired). I'd suggest the board, and if they give the same crap as the principal, go to police as well as put him in a different school if possible. You're doing your best to teach him about nuts, but a second grader just isn't going to know what has nuts and what doesn't. Or, could you pack him his own snacks until he learns what has nuts and what doesn't?","human_ref_B":"Talk to a lawyer about your options, you\u2019ve tried to be respectful to the school staff and cooperative, they are obviously unable to handle the situation. School districts have deep pockets, your lawyer might have some creative ideas.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2701.0,"score_ratio":2.131147541} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9qckjm","c_root_id_B":"e9qcfh9","created_at_utc_A":1542261821,"created_at_utc_B":1542261638,"score_A":130,"score_B":40,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer Considering they're endangering your child while knowingly aware of his allergy can certainly be cause for reckless endamgerment of a child, and I suspect at least the teacher would have to get transferred to another school (or possibly fired). I'd suggest the board, and if they give the same crap as the principal, go to police as well as put him in a different school if possible. You're doing your best to teach him about nuts, but a second grader just isn't going to know what has nuts and what doesn't. Or, could you pack him his own snacks until he learns what has nuts and what doesn't?","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ll second the 504 and add that you\u2019ll want a written health plan. When they aren\u2019t followed you need to file a civil rights complaint.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":183.0,"score_ratio":3.25} {"post_id":"9x6enr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Son has a peanut allergy, school continues to give him or allow him to get peanuts. This has been an ongoing issue since the second day of school, where he was given peanut butter crackers. We sort of brushed it off as a new school year, new students, teachers a bit frazzled dealing with first graders no real big deal. His allergy isn't really severe but still not fun to deal with and can potentially become life threatening. We had already informed the school of his allergy before the year started and even talked directly to the teacher about it because the default snack during the day if no other parents brought in a snack in peanut butter crackers. We even offered to purchase a special alternative for him, but they said it was unnecessary as they have other alternatives. So we figured the issue was over when a few weeks later it happened again, this time they claimed he grabbed another students snack and ran off to eat it before they could stop him. Now my little one can be a little bit of a hard head and I can potentially see this happening so again we talked to him about peanuts and how dangerous they are to him. He continued to adamantly deny doing that and said Mrs gave them to him. We then decide a meeting with the principal is in order, not to blame the teacher or accuse her of lying but to hopefully get this under control. Again a few weeks of no more issues, then it happened again. Once again the story is \"he grabbed it and ran off and ate the whole package before we caught him\". Okay so a 6 year old managed to grab an unopened package of crackers, elude a teacher and an aide and eat the whole package before he's caught? He's crying and swearing to us he was given them, and after so many incidents we have to start believing him. Another meeting with the principal and teacher gets us a \"Do not worry! This won't happen again\". We have another long sit down with our son to explain that even if it's given to you, ask to make sure it doesn't have peanuts or other nuts in it. Then, the very next school day (the meeting was on Friday) he's given another snack of peanut butter crackers but this time he asks if there is nuts in it and then he's given the alternative. We figure it kind of sucks that the kid has to be the adult right here but at the end of the day he's learning to ask about nuts. We send an email to the principal detailing the issue and say that the next stop is the school board if he is given peanuts again. We get a response back \"if he's asking now what's the problem? He should have known to ask to begin with. We are teachers not parents.\" We have no issues for a while until this week. Some parent brought in PB&J sandwiches for snack time and he was given one. He forgot to ask about nuts but thought \"it was only in the crackers\". We find out the parent was aware of a nut allergy in the class (it's on the parent snack sheet) and brought in just a jelly one that was made separate from the peanut butter one's. He was not given this one. We spent a day at the hospital. We've had endless talks with him about nuts and do our best to teach him but some of the blame has to be on the teachers here right? Do schools not have an obligation to deal with allergies? The school lunch seems to have zero issues with this and has never given him a nut when there are several things on the menu rotation that contain them. He gets a special tray that was no where near any nuts. This is in Indiana, any help is appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e9qcfh9","c_root_id_B":"e9qcsbp","created_at_utc_A":1542261638,"created_at_utc_B":1542262106,"score_A":40,"score_B":59,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ll second the 504 and add that you\u2019ll want a written health plan. When they aren\u2019t followed you need to file a civil rights complaint.","human_ref_B":"You have a few options. 1. Ask for an IEP (Individualized Education Program). You will need to meet with whoever is in charge of children with disabilities to write this out. If the school doesn't follow it, there are legal consequences. 2. Take the intimidation approach. Get a lawyer to write a threatening letter. 3. Escalate to the superintendent, school board, etc. I would recommend option 1.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":468.0,"score_ratio":1.475} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ewrqevf","c_root_id_B":"ewrwfw3","created_at_utc_A":1565711453,"created_at_utc_B":1565715227,"score_A":5078,"score_B":6216,"human_ref_A":"Keep contacting DCS is the legal question. Reach out to The Trevor Project to see if they can point you towards some resources. Also there is a list of resources here: https:\/\/www.glaad.org\/resourcelist","human_ref_B":"Call police on them for abandonment, that is unacceptable. ​ EDIT:First gold! Thankyou kind stranger!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3774.0,"score_ratio":1.2241039779} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ewrwfw3","c_root_id_B":"ewrvy2c","created_at_utc_A":1565715227,"created_at_utc_B":1565714925,"score_A":6216,"score_B":1439,"human_ref_A":"Call police on them for abandonment, that is unacceptable. ​ EDIT:First gold! Thankyou kind stranger!","human_ref_B":"A little Googling on your behalf. Call the Family and Children's Services Crisis line. 615.244.7444. Not sure what you need, but fist you need to get off the street.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":302.0,"score_ratio":4.319666435} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ewrvy2c","c_root_id_B":"ews4ojv","created_at_utc_A":1565714925,"created_at_utc_B":1565720118,"score_A":1439,"score_B":4440,"human_ref_A":"A little Googling on your behalf. Call the Family and Children's Services Crisis line. 615.244.7444. Not sure what you need, but fist you need to get off the street.","human_ref_B":"I am a CPS investigator. I know you stated CPS has been involved previously, but you are currently homeless, with no money and two pets. OP, you are in a very frightening and stressful situation. Please reach out to your state\u2019s local child abuse and neglect hotline. Your parents cannot kick you out of your home and it is dangerous for you and your pets to be in this situation. I know you also stated all family and friends are out of state, but is there anyone that you could reach out to, even if they are out of state? https:\/\/www.tn.gov\/dcs\/program-areas\/child-safety\/reporting\/child-abuse.html","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5193.0,"score_ratio":3.085476025} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ews12t3","c_root_id_B":"ews4ojv","created_at_utc_A":1565718024,"created_at_utc_B":1565720118,"score_A":1038,"score_B":4440,"human_ref_A":"On top of all the other advice, try contacting a local LGBTQ or Pride group. A quick check on fb I found https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/TennesseeValleyPride\/ . It's worth talking to someone with them for direction. They will be able to direct you toward much needed resources and maybe even a couch to crash on. There are so many Moms and Dads that open to helping teens in your situation. Even if they know someone who can give you a driveway at night to park and sleep in or a bag of dog food, it's something. Edit: thank you gentle souls for the gold. \u2764\u2764","human_ref_B":"I am a CPS investigator. I know you stated CPS has been involved previously, but you are currently homeless, with no money and two pets. OP, you are in a very frightening and stressful situation. Please reach out to your state\u2019s local child abuse and neglect hotline. Your parents cannot kick you out of your home and it is dangerous for you and your pets to be in this situation. I know you also stated all family and friends are out of state, but is there anyone that you could reach out to, even if they are out of state? https:\/\/www.tn.gov\/dcs\/program-areas\/child-safety\/reporting\/child-abuse.html","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2094.0,"score_ratio":4.2774566474} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ewryr9l","c_root_id_B":"ews4ojv","created_at_utc_A":1565716636,"created_at_utc_B":1565720118,"score_A":960,"score_B":4440,"human_ref_A":"Sometimes \"the abuse is still ongoing and hasn't stopped\" needs to be reported to DCS. It's exhausting but if there's been no reports since the last incident they may erroneously believe everything is fine. The homelessness is new and absolutely needs to be flagged to them regardless. If they report you as a runaway out of spite you could get in trouble instead of them so this needs to be flagged.","human_ref_B":"I am a CPS investigator. I know you stated CPS has been involved previously, but you are currently homeless, with no money and two pets. OP, you are in a very frightening and stressful situation. Please reach out to your state\u2019s local child abuse and neglect hotline. Your parents cannot kick you out of your home and it is dangerous for you and your pets to be in this situation. I know you also stated all family and friends are out of state, but is there anyone that you could reach out to, even if they are out of state? https:\/\/www.tn.gov\/dcs\/program-areas\/child-safety\/reporting\/child-abuse.html","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3482.0,"score_ratio":4.625} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ewry83e","c_root_id_B":"ews4ojv","created_at_utc_A":1565716316,"created_at_utc_B":1565720118,"score_A":737,"score_B":4440,"human_ref_A":"In re to your dogs, contact local foster organizations. There may be someone willing to help house and care for your pets until you are in a better situation. Having them fostered would be an alternative to surrendering to a shelter where youd be unlikely to eventually get them back. A quick Google and facebook search (access at your public library since your phone plan has been cut off) will turn up resources in your area. In the mean time, some aspca\/humane societies offer pet food banks to provide people with food and other necessities to care for their pets when times are tough. Search for these also if you need them.","human_ref_B":"I am a CPS investigator. I know you stated CPS has been involved previously, but you are currently homeless, with no money and two pets. OP, you are in a very frightening and stressful situation. Please reach out to your state\u2019s local child abuse and neglect hotline. Your parents cannot kick you out of your home and it is dangerous for you and your pets to be in this situation. I know you also stated all family and friends are out of state, but is there anyone that you could reach out to, even if they are out of state? https:\/\/www.tn.gov\/dcs\/program-areas\/child-safety\/reporting\/child-abuse.html","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3802.0,"score_ratio":6.0244233379} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ews4ojv","c_root_id_B":"ews4lsn","created_at_utc_A":1565720118,"created_at_utc_B":1565720073,"score_A":4440,"score_B":452,"human_ref_A":"I am a CPS investigator. I know you stated CPS has been involved previously, but you are currently homeless, with no money and two pets. OP, you are in a very frightening and stressful situation. Please reach out to your state\u2019s local child abuse and neglect hotline. Your parents cannot kick you out of your home and it is dangerous for you and your pets to be in this situation. I know you also stated all family and friends are out of state, but is there anyone that you could reach out to, even if they are out of state? https:\/\/www.tn.gov\/dcs\/program-areas\/child-safety\/reporting\/child-abuse.html","human_ref_B":"I live in knoxville tn. Being that you are likely going back to school, i would also suggest talking to a school guidance counselor. Firstly, this is child neglect if not aduse and legally they must report it. They are also a state agency that can demand communication with your parents and will also keep a detailed record of said communication. When you get a chance, look up assistance for homeless\/abandoned teens. Also, see if you can get in touch with thr United Way. They tend to have a lot of this information or can at least point you in the right direction.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":45.0,"score_ratio":9.8230088496} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ews4ojv","c_root_id_B":"ews0op5","created_at_utc_A":1565720118,"created_at_utc_B":1565717800,"score_A":4440,"score_B":211,"human_ref_A":"I am a CPS investigator. I know you stated CPS has been involved previously, but you are currently homeless, with no money and two pets. OP, you are in a very frightening and stressful situation. Please reach out to your state\u2019s local child abuse and neglect hotline. Your parents cannot kick you out of your home and it is dangerous for you and your pets to be in this situation. I know you also stated all family and friends are out of state, but is there anyone that you could reach out to, even if they are out of state? https:\/\/www.tn.gov\/dcs\/program-areas\/child-safety\/reporting\/child-abuse.html","human_ref_B":"Can you call your family in the other state and arrange for them to meet you? Go live with them? Maybe they can venmo you gas money....","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2318.0,"score_ratio":21.0426540284} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ews4ojv","c_root_id_B":"ews4ni1","created_at_utc_A":1565720118,"created_at_utc_B":1565720099,"score_A":4440,"score_B":195,"human_ref_A":"I am a CPS investigator. I know you stated CPS has been involved previously, but you are currently homeless, with no money and two pets. OP, you are in a very frightening and stressful situation. Please reach out to your state\u2019s local child abuse and neglect hotline. Your parents cannot kick you out of your home and it is dangerous for you and your pets to be in this situation. I know you also stated all family and friends are out of state, but is there anyone that you could reach out to, even if they are out of state? https:\/\/www.tn.gov\/dcs\/program-areas\/child-safety\/reporting\/child-abuse.html","human_ref_B":"They are legally obligated to care for you. Maybe CPS didn't help the first time but they can if you keep trying to reach out. You could also call the cops if you're desperate. They can help you find the proper resources.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19.0,"score_ratio":22.7692307692} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ews4ojv","c_root_id_B":"ews1yf9","created_at_utc_A":1565720118,"created_at_utc_B":1565718529,"score_A":4440,"score_B":111,"human_ref_A":"I am a CPS investigator. I know you stated CPS has been involved previously, but you are currently homeless, with no money and two pets. OP, you are in a very frightening and stressful situation. Please reach out to your state\u2019s local child abuse and neglect hotline. Your parents cannot kick you out of your home and it is dangerous for you and your pets to be in this situation. I know you also stated all family and friends are out of state, but is there anyone that you could reach out to, even if they are out of state? https:\/\/www.tn.gov\/dcs\/program-areas\/child-safety\/reporting\/child-abuse.html","human_ref_B":"Depending on how far away you are from The Georgia border, Atlanta has a homeless youth shelter called the Lost and Found. They may be able to help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1589.0,"score_ratio":40.0} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ewryr9l","c_root_id_B":"ews12t3","created_at_utc_A":1565716636,"created_at_utc_B":1565718024,"score_A":960,"score_B":1038,"human_ref_A":"Sometimes \"the abuse is still ongoing and hasn't stopped\" needs to be reported to DCS. It's exhausting but if there's been no reports since the last incident they may erroneously believe everything is fine. The homelessness is new and absolutely needs to be flagged to them regardless. If they report you as a runaway out of spite you could get in trouble instead of them so this needs to be flagged.","human_ref_B":"On top of all the other advice, try contacting a local LGBTQ or Pride group. A quick check on fb I found https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/TennesseeValleyPride\/ . It's worth talking to someone with them for direction. They will be able to direct you toward much needed resources and maybe even a couch to crash on. There are so many Moms and Dads that open to helping teens in your situation. Even if they know someone who can give you a driveway at night to park and sleep in or a bag of dog food, it's something. Edit: thank you gentle souls for the gold. \u2764\u2764","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1388.0,"score_ratio":1.08125} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ewry83e","c_root_id_B":"ews12t3","created_at_utc_A":1565716316,"created_at_utc_B":1565718024,"score_A":737,"score_B":1038,"human_ref_A":"In re to your dogs, contact local foster organizations. There may be someone willing to help house and care for your pets until you are in a better situation. Having them fostered would be an alternative to surrendering to a shelter where youd be unlikely to eventually get them back. A quick Google and facebook search (access at your public library since your phone plan has been cut off) will turn up resources in your area. In the mean time, some aspca\/humane societies offer pet food banks to provide people with food and other necessities to care for their pets when times are tough. Search for these also if you need them.","human_ref_B":"On top of all the other advice, try contacting a local LGBTQ or Pride group. A quick check on fb I found https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/TennesseeValleyPride\/ . It's worth talking to someone with them for direction. They will be able to direct you toward much needed resources and maybe even a couch to crash on. There are so many Moms and Dads that open to helping teens in your situation. Even if they know someone who can give you a driveway at night to park and sleep in or a bag of dog food, it's something. Edit: thank you gentle souls for the gold. \u2764\u2764","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1708.0,"score_ratio":1.408412483} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ews12t3","c_root_id_B":"ews0op5","created_at_utc_A":1565718024,"created_at_utc_B":1565717800,"score_A":1038,"score_B":211,"human_ref_A":"On top of all the other advice, try contacting a local LGBTQ or Pride group. A quick check on fb I found https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/TennesseeValleyPride\/ . It's worth talking to someone with them for direction. They will be able to direct you toward much needed resources and maybe even a couch to crash on. There are so many Moms and Dads that open to helping teens in your situation. Even if they know someone who can give you a driveway at night to park and sleep in or a bag of dog food, it's something. Edit: thank you gentle souls for the gold. \u2764\u2764","human_ref_B":"Can you call your family in the other state and arrange for them to meet you? Go live with them? Maybe they can venmo you gas money....","labels":1,"seconds_difference":224.0,"score_ratio":4.9194312796} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ewry83e","c_root_id_B":"ewryr9l","created_at_utc_A":1565716316,"created_at_utc_B":1565716636,"score_A":737,"score_B":960,"human_ref_A":"In re to your dogs, contact local foster organizations. There may be someone willing to help house and care for your pets until you are in a better situation. Having them fostered would be an alternative to surrendering to a shelter where youd be unlikely to eventually get them back. A quick Google and facebook search (access at your public library since your phone plan has been cut off) will turn up resources in your area. In the mean time, some aspca\/humane societies offer pet food banks to provide people with food and other necessities to care for their pets when times are tough. Search for these also if you need them.","human_ref_B":"Sometimes \"the abuse is still ongoing and hasn't stopped\" needs to be reported to DCS. It's exhausting but if there's been no reports since the last incident they may erroneously believe everything is fine. The homelessness is new and absolutely needs to be flagged to them regardless. If they report you as a runaway out of spite you could get in trouble instead of them so this needs to be flagged.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":320.0,"score_ratio":1.302578019} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ews4lsn","c_root_id_B":"ews0op5","created_at_utc_A":1565720073,"created_at_utc_B":1565717800,"score_A":452,"score_B":211,"human_ref_A":"I live in knoxville tn. Being that you are likely going back to school, i would also suggest talking to a school guidance counselor. Firstly, this is child neglect if not aduse and legally they must report it. They are also a state agency that can demand communication with your parents and will also keep a detailed record of said communication. When you get a chance, look up assistance for homeless\/abandoned teens. Also, see if you can get in touch with thr United Way. They tend to have a lot of this information or can at least point you in the right direction.","human_ref_B":"Can you call your family in the other state and arrange for them to meet you? Go live with them? Maybe they can venmo you gas money....","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2273.0,"score_ratio":2.1421800948} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ews4lsn","c_root_id_B":"ews1yf9","created_at_utc_A":1565720073,"created_at_utc_B":1565718529,"score_A":452,"score_B":111,"human_ref_A":"I live in knoxville tn. Being that you are likely going back to school, i would also suggest talking to a school guidance counselor. Firstly, this is child neglect if not aduse and legally they must report it. They are also a state agency that can demand communication with your parents and will also keep a detailed record of said communication. When you get a chance, look up assistance for homeless\/abandoned teens. Also, see if you can get in touch with thr United Way. They tend to have a lot of this information or can at least point you in the right direction.","human_ref_B":"Depending on how far away you are from The Georgia border, Atlanta has a homeless youth shelter called the Lost and Found. They may be able to help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1544.0,"score_ratio":4.0720720721} {"post_id":"cpumnb","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Kicked our at 16. Parents took all my money. I had posted this on other subs and was told to post here. 16f. Three nights ago my parents and I got in a huge fight. I am not a Christian. They are extreme bible thumpers. I am bisexual, they believe I'm going to be burning in hell. I was forced to come out of the closet due to blackmail reasons, and my parents promptly kicked me out. I managed to get my dogs and my keys, took my car and left. We just moved to this state so I have no friends. My siblings all have the same beliefs as my parents. My related family is all thousands of miles away. Last night, my parents cut off my phone plan and told me they're kicking me off of their insurance. Right now I am on my own with my two large dogs, pitbull and American bulldog, sleeping in my car. My parents forced me to quit my job last week so I could focus more on school. Last night I checked my bank account. My parents drained the 1k savings I had in it. It is completely empty. I'm just scared and don't know where to turn. I primarily want to be able to take care of my dogs. I do not want to give them up but I'm not sure how much longer I can without neglecting them. Giving them up would be out of absolute desperation. I will not give up on them easily. Having them around has protected me from many bad situations. I live in Tennessee. Any advice would be helpful. I also do not want to return home. My mother is abusive. DCS has seen physical evidence of abuse (black eye, bloody scratch marks, bruises) and placed me back in the home. They are useless.","c_root_id_A":"ews1yf9","c_root_id_B":"ews4ni1","created_at_utc_A":1565718529,"created_at_utc_B":1565720099,"score_A":111,"score_B":195,"human_ref_A":"Depending on how far away you are from The Georgia border, Atlanta has a homeless youth shelter called the Lost and Found. They may be able to help.","human_ref_B":"They are legally obligated to care for you. Maybe CPS didn't help the first time but they can if you keep trying to reach out. You could also call the cops if you're desperate. They can help you find the proper resources.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1570.0,"score_ratio":1.7567567568} {"post_id":"ahm37b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Coworker\/boss is threatening to spread revenge porn of me if I don't have sex with him. So a guy I know work with somehow found revenge porn of me online. I thought I had gotten it all taken off the internet after a previous relationship but I guess he somehow found the video. We work in the finance industry and I do a lot of write ups and accounting for the firm. The guy is technically my boss, but he's about my age and it's always been more of a coworker relationship. This is also because I went to high school with him, and we were preety good friends. So, last week he calls me into his office and tells me, I'll just call myself H, he found revenge porn of me online. At first I was relieved that it was him cause I've known him for so many years and thought I could trust him. Then he goes behind me and puts his hands on my brests, thrusts his groin into my back and tries to kiss me on the neck. Horrified I push him away. He then tells me that he's had a crush on me forever and he'll delete the video if I come over to his place and have sex with him. Other wise he will upload it to every website he knows and share the link with my family and friends. We're from the same town and used to be good friends so he knows preety much knows all my relatives and friends. That day I just went home and sobbed the whole night. He's told me that I should come over to his place and have sex with him next weekend since he's doing me a favor. Over the past few days he's cornered me and tried to touch me in inappropriate areas and has also been sending me inappropriate emails from a random account. I feel so betrayed, since I thought we were good friends. and I'm definitely not naive enough to think he'll stop. I've been very depressed and suicidal the last few days. If anyone else has dealt with this, how did you deal with a situation like this? Tl;Dr- Coworker found revenge porn of me online. He's been sexually harassing me and Is threatening to share it if I don't have sex with him. Edit- Many people are telling me to go to the police. It's sadly not as simple as going to the police for me. He is from a very wealthy family that practically owns the company. He's told me he will sue me for false claims, make it impossible to find work and spread the video to everyone I know if I don't have sex with him. Also he's left no text messages, and all emails have been from random temp accounts. I'm truly dealing with a sociopath with a lot of resources, connections and money. Location- New York","c_root_id_A":"eefz4jl","c_root_id_B":"eeg36lu","created_at_utc_A":1547910789,"created_at_utc_B":1547913789,"score_A":605,"score_B":3063,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer, but isn't this extortion?","human_ref_B":"If he's from a very wealthy family, then he has a LOT more to lose than you, just in the form of a reputation hit. Get a lawyer, call the police. Do what they tell you. There are no other good options.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3000.0,"score_ratio":5.0628099174} {"post_id":"ahm37b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Coworker\/boss is threatening to spread revenge porn of me if I don't have sex with him. So a guy I know work with somehow found revenge porn of me online. I thought I had gotten it all taken off the internet after a previous relationship but I guess he somehow found the video. We work in the finance industry and I do a lot of write ups and accounting for the firm. The guy is technically my boss, but he's about my age and it's always been more of a coworker relationship. This is also because I went to high school with him, and we were preety good friends. So, last week he calls me into his office and tells me, I'll just call myself H, he found revenge porn of me online. At first I was relieved that it was him cause I've known him for so many years and thought I could trust him. Then he goes behind me and puts his hands on my brests, thrusts his groin into my back and tries to kiss me on the neck. Horrified I push him away. He then tells me that he's had a crush on me forever and he'll delete the video if I come over to his place and have sex with him. Other wise he will upload it to every website he knows and share the link with my family and friends. We're from the same town and used to be good friends so he knows preety much knows all my relatives and friends. That day I just went home and sobbed the whole night. He's told me that I should come over to his place and have sex with him next weekend since he's doing me a favor. Over the past few days he's cornered me and tried to touch me in inappropriate areas and has also been sending me inappropriate emails from a random account. I feel so betrayed, since I thought we were good friends. and I'm definitely not naive enough to think he'll stop. I've been very depressed and suicidal the last few days. If anyone else has dealt with this, how did you deal with a situation like this? Tl;Dr- Coworker found revenge porn of me online. He's been sexually harassing me and Is threatening to share it if I don't have sex with him. Edit- Many people are telling me to go to the police. It's sadly not as simple as going to the police for me. He is from a very wealthy family that practically owns the company. He's told me he will sue me for false claims, make it impossible to find work and spread the video to everyone I know if I don't have sex with him. Also he's left no text messages, and all emails have been from random temp accounts. I'm truly dealing with a sociopath with a lot of resources, connections and money. Location- New York","c_root_id_A":"eefz4jl","c_root_id_B":"eegcvww","created_at_utc_A":1547910789,"created_at_utc_B":1547919446,"score_A":605,"score_B":2418,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer, but isn't this extortion?","human_ref_B":"Just in case any of this excellent advice sounds impossible to you because you are afraid of his retaliation, please remember that even if you comply with his demands he still has the video, still has the power to control your empmoyment, and still has the perverse, rapist desire to exploit you. Nothing changes. You cannot purchase the silence of an extortionist, you can only rent it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8657.0,"score_ratio":3.9966942149} {"post_id":"ahm37b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Coworker\/boss is threatening to spread revenge porn of me if I don't have sex with him. So a guy I know work with somehow found revenge porn of me online. I thought I had gotten it all taken off the internet after a previous relationship but I guess he somehow found the video. We work in the finance industry and I do a lot of write ups and accounting for the firm. The guy is technically my boss, but he's about my age and it's always been more of a coworker relationship. This is also because I went to high school with him, and we were preety good friends. So, last week he calls me into his office and tells me, I'll just call myself H, he found revenge porn of me online. At first I was relieved that it was him cause I've known him for so many years and thought I could trust him. Then he goes behind me and puts his hands on my brests, thrusts his groin into my back and tries to kiss me on the neck. Horrified I push him away. He then tells me that he's had a crush on me forever and he'll delete the video if I come over to his place and have sex with him. Other wise he will upload it to every website he knows and share the link with my family and friends. We're from the same town and used to be good friends so he knows preety much knows all my relatives and friends. That day I just went home and sobbed the whole night. He's told me that I should come over to his place and have sex with him next weekend since he's doing me a favor. Over the past few days he's cornered me and tried to touch me in inappropriate areas and has also been sending me inappropriate emails from a random account. I feel so betrayed, since I thought we were good friends. and I'm definitely not naive enough to think he'll stop. I've been very depressed and suicidal the last few days. If anyone else has dealt with this, how did you deal with a situation like this? Tl;Dr- Coworker found revenge porn of me online. He's been sexually harassing me and Is threatening to share it if I don't have sex with him. Edit- Many people are telling me to go to the police. It's sadly not as simple as going to the police for me. He is from a very wealthy family that practically owns the company. He's told me he will sue me for false claims, make it impossible to find work and spread the video to everyone I know if I don't have sex with him. Also he's left no text messages, and all emails have been from random temp accounts. I'm truly dealing with a sociopath with a lot of resources, connections and money. Location- New York","c_root_id_A":"eegeu5v","c_root_id_B":"eefz4jl","created_at_utc_A":1547920494,"created_at_utc_B":1547910789,"score_A":1140,"score_B":605,"human_ref_A":"Do not take the advice of others here that are prompting you to play solo detective. Go to the police. They can research IP addresses from which the email originated. They can obtain a warrant to search his home, computers and devices for evidence of they find you credible. If the police want you to record his activity, they will instruct and assist you on how to do this. They know what they need and how to obtain it. Don't just go to the front desk at your locak police department. Try to speak directly with a detective that works in a department relative to this matter. (small town might not have separate detective units, larger cities would). Also know that an investigation might also bring charges against the former lover who shared the revenge videos. I know most would assume that you'd want to see him bright too justice but I have dealt with enough of this to know that's not always the case. I'm sure a big part of your fear is also that any light you shine on this might also bring attention to the videos, and that you might not want that additional exposure. However, consider that everyone who knows him probably already knows, even though they may not tell you that they do. Do not live as a slave to these videos. I'll bet that a serious investigation and charges will draw a quicker end to this all instead of you prolonging it through your fear of further exposure.","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer, but isn't this extortion?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9705.0,"score_ratio":1.8842975207} {"post_id":"ahm37b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Coworker\/boss is threatening to spread revenge porn of me if I don't have sex with him. So a guy I know work with somehow found revenge porn of me online. I thought I had gotten it all taken off the internet after a previous relationship but I guess he somehow found the video. We work in the finance industry and I do a lot of write ups and accounting for the firm. The guy is technically my boss, but he's about my age and it's always been more of a coworker relationship. This is also because I went to high school with him, and we were preety good friends. So, last week he calls me into his office and tells me, I'll just call myself H, he found revenge porn of me online. At first I was relieved that it was him cause I've known him for so many years and thought I could trust him. Then he goes behind me and puts his hands on my brests, thrusts his groin into my back and tries to kiss me on the neck. Horrified I push him away. He then tells me that he's had a crush on me forever and he'll delete the video if I come over to his place and have sex with him. Other wise he will upload it to every website he knows and share the link with my family and friends. We're from the same town and used to be good friends so he knows preety much knows all my relatives and friends. That day I just went home and sobbed the whole night. He's told me that I should come over to his place and have sex with him next weekend since he's doing me a favor. Over the past few days he's cornered me and tried to touch me in inappropriate areas and has also been sending me inappropriate emails from a random account. I feel so betrayed, since I thought we were good friends. and I'm definitely not naive enough to think he'll stop. I've been very depressed and suicidal the last few days. If anyone else has dealt with this, how did you deal with a situation like this? Tl;Dr- Coworker found revenge porn of me online. He's been sexually harassing me and Is threatening to share it if I don't have sex with him. Edit- Many people are telling me to go to the police. It's sadly not as simple as going to the police for me. He is from a very wealthy family that practically owns the company. He's told me he will sue me for false claims, make it impossible to find work and spread the video to everyone I know if I don't have sex with him. Also he's left no text messages, and all emails have been from random temp accounts. I'm truly dealing with a sociopath with a lot of resources, connections and money. Location- New York","c_root_id_A":"eegf4ab","c_root_id_B":"eegfmcv","created_at_utc_A":1547920643,"created_at_utc_B":1547920910,"score_A":77,"score_B":183,"human_ref_A":"Just because he\u2019s sent the emails from temp emails, doesn\u2019t mean they\u2019re not traceable. A subpoena for an IP address would prove telling. That being said, gather as much evidence as you can. Don\u2019t jump the gun, build a case. Eventually you\u2019ll need to report it to HR. While he may seem like he has a lot of leverage, his position in the company and relation with the owners creates a significant amount of liability for a work place relation claim. That being said, he might spread those videos and that\u2019s something you need to be prepared for. Talk to a local lawyer about your options. You may be able to civil sue not only for retaliation but emotion damages. Good luck op","human_ref_B":"I don't think it's been posted yet, but please consider talking to someone on the Suicide Hotline. You are not alone in your situation and they have people to talk to. I hope you are well and staying safe. Do not let this person dictate your life for their own desires. Please get help and know that it is there for you!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":267.0,"score_ratio":2.3766233766} {"post_id":"ahm37b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Coworker\/boss is threatening to spread revenge porn of me if I don't have sex with him. So a guy I know work with somehow found revenge porn of me online. I thought I had gotten it all taken off the internet after a previous relationship but I guess he somehow found the video. We work in the finance industry and I do a lot of write ups and accounting for the firm. The guy is technically my boss, but he's about my age and it's always been more of a coworker relationship. This is also because I went to high school with him, and we were preety good friends. So, last week he calls me into his office and tells me, I'll just call myself H, he found revenge porn of me online. At first I was relieved that it was him cause I've known him for so many years and thought I could trust him. Then he goes behind me and puts his hands on my brests, thrusts his groin into my back and tries to kiss me on the neck. Horrified I push him away. He then tells me that he's had a crush on me forever and he'll delete the video if I come over to his place and have sex with him. Other wise he will upload it to every website he knows and share the link with my family and friends. We're from the same town and used to be good friends so he knows preety much knows all my relatives and friends. That day I just went home and sobbed the whole night. He's told me that I should come over to his place and have sex with him next weekend since he's doing me a favor. Over the past few days he's cornered me and tried to touch me in inappropriate areas and has also been sending me inappropriate emails from a random account. I feel so betrayed, since I thought we were good friends. and I'm definitely not naive enough to think he'll stop. I've been very depressed and suicidal the last few days. If anyone else has dealt with this, how did you deal with a situation like this? Tl;Dr- Coworker found revenge porn of me online. He's been sexually harassing me and Is threatening to share it if I don't have sex with him. Edit- Many people are telling me to go to the police. It's sadly not as simple as going to the police for me. He is from a very wealthy family that practically owns the company. He's told me he will sue me for false claims, make it impossible to find work and spread the video to everyone I know if I don't have sex with him. Also he's left no text messages, and all emails have been from random temp accounts. I'm truly dealing with a sociopath with a lot of resources, connections and money. Location- New York","c_root_id_A":"eegl7by","c_root_id_B":"eegf4ab","created_at_utc_A":1547924029,"created_at_utc_B":1547920643,"score_A":161,"score_B":77,"human_ref_A":"Talk to a lawyer before you do anything. Make sure he is an aggressive pit bull. If he tells you to calm down and not record him, then get someone else. The lawyer may want to go to the police first, and have him arrested before he can do anything with the porn. That might let the company off the hook because they didnt know about the situation. So he may want you to go to HR first, so that he has a hand in their pocket if they don't react properly. Remember, this guy is far more exposed than you are, he's just being confident and intimidating you. If it backfires on you, all that means is that you are a normal person who has sex, like EVERY OTHER PERSON ON THE PLANET. There is absolutely no shame in that. If it backfires on him, he goes to jail, loses everything he owns, loses his job, his reputation, is a felon, may have to register as a sexual predator, etc. He has FAR more to lose than you do. So stop worrying so much. The entire situation is on your side, and somewhere down the line you will be collecting a nice fat check to help you start over. Just act intimidated in his presence, but keep thinking about how he is just digging a deeper hole for himself. And when this is all over, you may want to speak to your lawyer about going after that ex that released all that porn on the Internet in the first place.","human_ref_B":"Just because he\u2019s sent the emails from temp emails, doesn\u2019t mean they\u2019re not traceable. A subpoena for an IP address would prove telling. That being said, gather as much evidence as you can. Don\u2019t jump the gun, build a case. Eventually you\u2019ll need to report it to HR. While he may seem like he has a lot of leverage, his position in the company and relation with the owners creates a significant amount of liability for a work place relation claim. That being said, he might spread those videos and that\u2019s something you need to be prepared for. Talk to a local lawyer about your options. You may be able to civil sue not only for retaliation but emotion damages. Good luck op","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3386.0,"score_ratio":2.0909090909} {"post_id":"ahm37b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Coworker\/boss is threatening to spread revenge porn of me if I don't have sex with him. So a guy I know work with somehow found revenge porn of me online. I thought I had gotten it all taken off the internet after a previous relationship but I guess he somehow found the video. We work in the finance industry and I do a lot of write ups and accounting for the firm. The guy is technically my boss, but he's about my age and it's always been more of a coworker relationship. This is also because I went to high school with him, and we were preety good friends. So, last week he calls me into his office and tells me, I'll just call myself H, he found revenge porn of me online. At first I was relieved that it was him cause I've known him for so many years and thought I could trust him. Then he goes behind me and puts his hands on my brests, thrusts his groin into my back and tries to kiss me on the neck. Horrified I push him away. He then tells me that he's had a crush on me forever and he'll delete the video if I come over to his place and have sex with him. Other wise he will upload it to every website he knows and share the link with my family and friends. We're from the same town and used to be good friends so he knows preety much knows all my relatives and friends. That day I just went home and sobbed the whole night. He's told me that I should come over to his place and have sex with him next weekend since he's doing me a favor. Over the past few days he's cornered me and tried to touch me in inappropriate areas and has also been sending me inappropriate emails from a random account. I feel so betrayed, since I thought we were good friends. and I'm definitely not naive enough to think he'll stop. I've been very depressed and suicidal the last few days. If anyone else has dealt with this, how did you deal with a situation like this? Tl;Dr- Coworker found revenge porn of me online. He's been sexually harassing me and Is threatening to share it if I don't have sex with him. Edit- Many people are telling me to go to the police. It's sadly not as simple as going to the police for me. He is from a very wealthy family that practically owns the company. He's told me he will sue me for false claims, make it impossible to find work and spread the video to everyone I know if I don't have sex with him. Also he's left no text messages, and all emails have been from random temp accounts. I'm truly dealing with a sociopath with a lot of resources, connections and money. Location- New York","c_root_id_A":"eegiid3","c_root_id_B":"eegl7by","created_at_utc_A":1547922454,"created_at_utc_B":1547924029,"score_A":47,"score_B":161,"human_ref_A":"INAL, Revenge porn is a hostage situation. If you give the hostage taker what they want they will just ask for more (To give a mouse a cookie). The only good way to get rid of them is to use the law against them. I'm sorry to say that the odds are high he will tell people because if he doesn't get what he wants he will then use it to get revenge on you. It becomes a no win situation on you part. Unless you can convince him that his life is going to be way worse because of these threats, because of no longer being employed and and the jail time\/fines implemented. ​ Record him and take it to your company HR. Also take it to the police. There needs to be a record of this as well as what steps HR and the Police can do. HR would likely terminate his employment which will likely set him off on a path to revenge towards you. Depending on the circumstances contact the websites hosting the information and issue them a cease and desist to help you further. Because once he tells people they will then most likely try to look it up themselves. If it's already down, then it helps you even more.","human_ref_B":"Talk to a lawyer before you do anything. Make sure he is an aggressive pit bull. If he tells you to calm down and not record him, then get someone else. The lawyer may want to go to the police first, and have him arrested before he can do anything with the porn. That might let the company off the hook because they didnt know about the situation. So he may want you to go to HR first, so that he has a hand in their pocket if they don't react properly. Remember, this guy is far more exposed than you are, he's just being confident and intimidating you. If it backfires on you, all that means is that you are a normal person who has sex, like EVERY OTHER PERSON ON THE PLANET. There is absolutely no shame in that. If it backfires on him, he goes to jail, loses everything he owns, loses his job, his reputation, is a felon, may have to register as a sexual predator, etc. He has FAR more to lose than you do. So stop worrying so much. The entire situation is on your side, and somewhere down the line you will be collecting a nice fat check to help you start over. Just act intimidated in his presence, but keep thinking about how he is just digging a deeper hole for himself. And when this is all over, you may want to speak to your lawyer about going after that ex that released all that porn on the Internet in the first place.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1575.0,"score_ratio":3.4255319149} {"post_id":"ahm37b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Coworker\/boss is threatening to spread revenge porn of me if I don't have sex with him. So a guy I know work with somehow found revenge porn of me online. I thought I had gotten it all taken off the internet after a previous relationship but I guess he somehow found the video. We work in the finance industry and I do a lot of write ups and accounting for the firm. The guy is technically my boss, but he's about my age and it's always been more of a coworker relationship. This is also because I went to high school with him, and we were preety good friends. So, last week he calls me into his office and tells me, I'll just call myself H, he found revenge porn of me online. At first I was relieved that it was him cause I've known him for so many years and thought I could trust him. Then he goes behind me and puts his hands on my brests, thrusts his groin into my back and tries to kiss me on the neck. Horrified I push him away. He then tells me that he's had a crush on me forever and he'll delete the video if I come over to his place and have sex with him. Other wise he will upload it to every website he knows and share the link with my family and friends. We're from the same town and used to be good friends so he knows preety much knows all my relatives and friends. That day I just went home and sobbed the whole night. He's told me that I should come over to his place and have sex with him next weekend since he's doing me a favor. Over the past few days he's cornered me and tried to touch me in inappropriate areas and has also been sending me inappropriate emails from a random account. I feel so betrayed, since I thought we were good friends. and I'm definitely not naive enough to think he'll stop. I've been very depressed and suicidal the last few days. If anyone else has dealt with this, how did you deal with a situation like this? Tl;Dr- Coworker found revenge porn of me online. He's been sexually harassing me and Is threatening to share it if I don't have sex with him. Edit- Many people are telling me to go to the police. It's sadly not as simple as going to the police for me. He is from a very wealthy family that practically owns the company. He's told me he will sue me for false claims, make it impossible to find work and spread the video to everyone I know if I don't have sex with him. Also he's left no text messages, and all emails have been from random temp accounts. I'm truly dealing with a sociopath with a lot of resources, connections and money. Location- New York","c_root_id_A":"eegiid3","c_root_id_B":"eegria1","created_at_utc_A":1547922454,"created_at_utc_B":1547927974,"score_A":47,"score_B":72,"human_ref_A":"INAL, Revenge porn is a hostage situation. If you give the hostage taker what they want they will just ask for more (To give a mouse a cookie). The only good way to get rid of them is to use the law against them. I'm sorry to say that the odds are high he will tell people because if he doesn't get what he wants he will then use it to get revenge on you. It becomes a no win situation on you part. Unless you can convince him that his life is going to be way worse because of these threats, because of no longer being employed and and the jail time\/fines implemented. ​ Record him and take it to your company HR. Also take it to the police. There needs to be a record of this as well as what steps HR and the Police can do. HR would likely terminate his employment which will likely set him off on a path to revenge towards you. Depending on the circumstances contact the websites hosting the information and issue them a cease and desist to help you further. Because once he tells people they will then most likely try to look it up themselves. If it's already down, then it helps you even more.","human_ref_B":"Don\u2019t get local PD involved go to State Police. They can do more involving internet related crimes which this is.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5520.0,"score_ratio":1.5319148936} {"post_id":"9m92dn","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I was pulled over for speeding and the officer borrowed my pen and made me give it back to him claiming it was his. Hi all, I\u2019m in Florida and was pulled over for going 30 over the speed limit. I was perfectly nice to the officer, and apologized for my speed. He asked for my license and asked if the address on it was current, I told him no, that I had recently moved. He then asked me to write down my current address. I happened to have post it notes and pens in my middle compartment. I wrote down my address, gave him the post-it note and he then asked for my pen.(I don\u2019t know at this point if he knew he was borrowing mine, or if he thought it was his). I complied and gave him my pen. He came back after giving me a ticket and had me sign it (giving me back my pen). I signed and put the pen away in its usual compartment, handing him back the signed ticket. He said \u201cmy pen?\u201d And I said \u201coh I\u2019m sorry that was my pen\u201d he then said \u201cgive me back my pen\u201d and I told him \u201csir, you had borrowed my pen. My father gave me this pen\u201d. He insisted it was his, so I complied and gave it to him. Anyways, he left with my pen. Unfortunately, the pen was a silver pen (probably cost like 100 dollars, it was a nice pen) but it didn\u2019t have anything specific for me to point out it was mine. All in all, I\u2019m just annoyed he was able to walk away with my pen due to his shitty memory and lack of listening to me. What if that had been a 300 dollar pen? Is there anything I can do, like filing a complaint against him?","c_root_id_A":"e7d38oi","c_root_id_B":"e7cvi02","created_at_utc_A":1538956274,"created_at_utc_B":1538949094,"score_A":5903,"score_B":4271,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, but my suggestion is to Head over to the station and ask for the watch commander, show him the ticket, and explain the situation verbally. Also hand it to him in writing. Make sure you include a description of the pen and a name brand. If you still have the box bring it. Hopefully you will get your property back. Edit: Punctuation","human_ref_B":"You can call his agency and tell them one of their officers mistakenly took a valuable pen from you, and that you'd like it back.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7180.0,"score_ratio":1.3821119176} {"post_id":"9m92dn","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I was pulled over for speeding and the officer borrowed my pen and made me give it back to him claiming it was his. Hi all, I\u2019m in Florida and was pulled over for going 30 over the speed limit. I was perfectly nice to the officer, and apologized for my speed. He asked for my license and asked if the address on it was current, I told him no, that I had recently moved. He then asked me to write down my current address. I happened to have post it notes and pens in my middle compartment. I wrote down my address, gave him the post-it note and he then asked for my pen.(I don\u2019t know at this point if he knew he was borrowing mine, or if he thought it was his). I complied and gave him my pen. He came back after giving me a ticket and had me sign it (giving me back my pen). I signed and put the pen away in its usual compartment, handing him back the signed ticket. He said \u201cmy pen?\u201d And I said \u201coh I\u2019m sorry that was my pen\u201d he then said \u201cgive me back my pen\u201d and I told him \u201csir, you had borrowed my pen. My father gave me this pen\u201d. He insisted it was his, so I complied and gave it to him. Anyways, he left with my pen. Unfortunately, the pen was a silver pen (probably cost like 100 dollars, it was a nice pen) but it didn\u2019t have anything specific for me to point out it was mine. All in all, I\u2019m just annoyed he was able to walk away with my pen due to his shitty memory and lack of listening to me. What if that had been a 300 dollar pen? Is there anything I can do, like filing a complaint against him?","c_root_id_A":"e7cxl9q","c_root_id_B":"e7d38oi","created_at_utc_A":1538951001,"created_at_utc_B":1538956274,"score_A":1629,"score_B":5903,"human_ref_A":"Did he have a bodycam? If so, I would FOIA that footage when you file the complaint.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but my suggestion is to Head over to the station and ask for the watch commander, show him the ticket, and explain the situation verbally. Also hand it to him in writing. Make sure you include a description of the pen and a name brand. If you still have the box bring it. Hopefully you will get your property back. Edit: Punctuation","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5273.0,"score_ratio":3.6236955187} {"post_id":"9m92dn","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I was pulled over for speeding and the officer borrowed my pen and made me give it back to him claiming it was his. Hi all, I\u2019m in Florida and was pulled over for going 30 over the speed limit. I was perfectly nice to the officer, and apologized for my speed. He asked for my license and asked if the address on it was current, I told him no, that I had recently moved. He then asked me to write down my current address. I happened to have post it notes and pens in my middle compartment. I wrote down my address, gave him the post-it note and he then asked for my pen.(I don\u2019t know at this point if he knew he was borrowing mine, or if he thought it was his). I complied and gave him my pen. He came back after giving me a ticket and had me sign it (giving me back my pen). I signed and put the pen away in its usual compartment, handing him back the signed ticket. He said \u201cmy pen?\u201d And I said \u201coh I\u2019m sorry that was my pen\u201d he then said \u201cgive me back my pen\u201d and I told him \u201csir, you had borrowed my pen. My father gave me this pen\u201d. He insisted it was his, so I complied and gave it to him. Anyways, he left with my pen. Unfortunately, the pen was a silver pen (probably cost like 100 dollars, it was a nice pen) but it didn\u2019t have anything specific for me to point out it was mine. All in all, I\u2019m just annoyed he was able to walk away with my pen due to his shitty memory and lack of listening to me. What if that had been a 300 dollar pen? Is there anything I can do, like filing a complaint against him?","c_root_id_A":"e7cxl9q","c_root_id_B":"e7db5e4","created_at_utc_A":1538951001,"created_at_utc_B":1538964157,"score_A":1629,"score_B":3592,"human_ref_A":"Did he have a bodycam? If so, I would FOIA that footage when you file the complaint.","human_ref_B":"Just go make the complaint. Ask the supervisor to call the officer over and check the pen. No street cop on the planet uses a $100 pen at work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13156.0,"score_ratio":2.205033763} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31d0yr","c_root_id_B":"f31lfeh","created_at_utc_A":1570572650,"created_at_utc_B":1570578381,"score_A":271,"score_B":3834,"human_ref_A":"Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer nor an expert on child abuse. I have worked with women and children in WIC clinics in the past and was a mandated child abuse reporter while there, so I have minimal training. If you suspect abuse occurred I would contact your local DCFS or police department. If not for what you endured, but for the possibility of other children being at risk. \"If an adult who is responsible for caring for a child is suspected of sexually abusing a child, then the local child protection services should be contacted.\u00a0 If an adult who is not in a caregiving position with a child is suspected of sexual abuse, the local police should be notified. Concerns about child pornography can be reported to either the local police or cyber crime tiplines.\" -StopItNow! Foundation","human_ref_B":"I'm a lawyer but don't do criminal law. However, I believe Texas does not have a statute of limitations on sexual assault involving a child. Whether your experience and the pictures fit the definition of the various types of sexual assault against a child will be up to the district attorney in your area. Bottom line is that you should not be discouraged to press charges since the statute of limitations may still be open. You need to keep those pictures and speak to a detective in the sex crimes unit of your local PD. From there, the detective will determine if you have a case and refer it to the district attorney's office. Alternatively, you may also proceed with a civil suit against your father. You will have to prove damages for a civil law suit, but barring any statute of limitation issues, I think the very nature of the allegations and the pictures will likely result in a settlement outside of court. I'm very sorry this has happened to you, but there may be legal recourse available to you if you choose to pursue it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5731.0,"score_ratio":14.147601476} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31d0yr","c_root_id_B":"f31wtb4","created_at_utc_A":1570572650,"created_at_utc_B":1570586878,"score_A":271,"score_B":1184,"human_ref_A":"Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer nor an expert on child abuse. I have worked with women and children in WIC clinics in the past and was a mandated child abuse reporter while there, so I have minimal training. If you suspect abuse occurred I would contact your local DCFS or police department. If not for what you endured, but for the possibility of other children being at risk. \"If an adult who is responsible for caring for a child is suspected of sexually abusing a child, then the local child protection services should be contacted.\u00a0 If an adult who is not in a caregiving position with a child is suspected of sexual abuse, the local police should be notified. Concerns about child pornography can be reported to either the local police or cyber crime tiplines.\" -StopItNow! Foundation","human_ref_B":"First of all, I'm terribly sorry your dealing with this- I'm sure it's causing indescribable emotions. I'm not an attorney, but have been a mandated reporter and have had a handful of friends go through this. There's an organization called RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network). They provide access to counseling for victims etc. They can can in the short term provide someone to listen, and can get you connected with people who can help you with recovery, or the legal aspects as well. They can be reached by phone or chat. https:\/\/rainn.org\/about-national-sexual-assault-telephone-hotline?\\_ga=2.10646196.1237996370.1570586526-1641665526.1570586526","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14228.0,"score_ratio":4.36900369} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31wtb4","c_root_id_B":"f31wnys","created_at_utc_A":1570586878,"created_at_utc_B":1570586764,"score_A":1184,"score_B":271,"human_ref_A":"First of all, I'm terribly sorry your dealing with this- I'm sure it's causing indescribable emotions. I'm not an attorney, but have been a mandated reporter and have had a handful of friends go through this. There's an organization called RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network). They provide access to counseling for victims etc. They can can in the short term provide someone to listen, and can get you connected with people who can help you with recovery, or the legal aspects as well. They can be reached by phone or chat. https:\/\/rainn.org\/about-national-sexual-assault-telephone-hotline?\\_ga=2.10646196.1237996370.1570586526-1641665526.1570586526","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer but I am a mandated reporter. I had so much anxiety just reading your post and I can't imagine how difficult this must be for you. Step one is to get some professional help from a therapist. Step two is to report the crime. Your father possessing these photos is a crime, even if the statute of limitations on any acts seen within them is past. I would call the local police department and report it. I think possession of child pornography is also a federal crime so you could report it to the Texas Bureau of Investigation as well. Don't let your step-mom or dad know what you found because they might try and destroy evidence. I'm not sure if this would be advisable (I am not a lawyer) but you could take the photos to the police yourself to avoid them being destroyed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":114.0,"score_ratio":4.36900369} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31wtb4","c_root_id_B":"f31lgz7","created_at_utc_A":1570586878,"created_at_utc_B":1570578414,"score_A":1184,"score_B":56,"human_ref_A":"First of all, I'm terribly sorry your dealing with this- I'm sure it's causing indescribable emotions. I'm not an attorney, but have been a mandated reporter and have had a handful of friends go through this. There's an organization called RAINN (Rape, Abuse & Incest National Network). They provide access to counseling for victims etc. They can can in the short term provide someone to listen, and can get you connected with people who can help you with recovery, or the legal aspects as well. They can be reached by phone or chat. https:\/\/rainn.org\/about-national-sexual-assault-telephone-hotline?\\_ga=2.10646196.1237996370.1570586526-1641665526.1570586526","human_ref_B":"This is not really legal advice but please find someone who listens well to process this information with, possibly a therapist if you are open to it. It may be very helpful to talk through these different decisions with someone who is not connected to the situation and can just be there with you while you process this. I would also urge you to report this to child protective services in Texas, in case another individual is at risk or has been affected by this behavior, although I do not know if you are legally required to take any action.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8464.0,"score_ratio":21.1428571429} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31d0yr","c_root_id_B":"f31yzzc","created_at_utc_A":1570572650,"created_at_utc_B":1570588578,"score_A":271,"score_B":471,"human_ref_A":"Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer nor an expert on child abuse. I have worked with women and children in WIC clinics in the past and was a mandated child abuse reporter while there, so I have minimal training. If you suspect abuse occurred I would contact your local DCFS or police department. If not for what you endured, but for the possibility of other children being at risk. \"If an adult who is responsible for caring for a child is suspected of sexually abusing a child, then the local child protection services should be contacted.\u00a0 If an adult who is not in a caregiving position with a child is suspected of sexual abuse, the local police should be notified. Concerns about child pornography can be reported to either the local police or cyber crime tiplines.\" -StopItNow! Foundation","human_ref_B":"You can call the police and report him for being in possession of child porn. I'm so sorry you are going through this.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15928.0,"score_ratio":1.7380073801} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31wnys","c_root_id_B":"f31yzzc","created_at_utc_A":1570586764,"created_at_utc_B":1570588578,"score_A":271,"score_B":471,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer but I am a mandated reporter. I had so much anxiety just reading your post and I can't imagine how difficult this must be for you. Step one is to get some professional help from a therapist. Step two is to report the crime. Your father possessing these photos is a crime, even if the statute of limitations on any acts seen within them is past. I would call the local police department and report it. I think possession of child pornography is also a federal crime so you could report it to the Texas Bureau of Investigation as well. Don't let your step-mom or dad know what you found because they might try and destroy evidence. I'm not sure if this would be advisable (I am not a lawyer) but you could take the photos to the police yourself to avoid them being destroyed.","human_ref_B":"You can call the police and report him for being in possession of child porn. I'm so sorry you are going through this.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1814.0,"score_ratio":1.7380073801} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31yzzc","c_root_id_B":"f31yu78","created_at_utc_A":1570588578,"created_at_utc_B":1570588453,"score_A":471,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"You can call the police and report him for being in possession of child porn. I'm so sorry you are going through this.","human_ref_B":"A person that perpetuates this type of crime usually has approximately 20 other victims. You should report this so that this won't happen to any other person. Those that have said that the OP is making this up, we don't know the whole story. Additionally, whether true or made up, it is the responsibility of any adult, that wishes to comment on this thread to handle these kinds of statements in a face value context. We don't know why the OP posted this. We have to assume that OP is telling the truth. It is the best thing to do.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":125.0,"score_ratio":4.8556701031} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31yzzc","c_root_id_B":"f31ylld","created_at_utc_A":1570588578,"created_at_utc_B":1570588264,"score_A":471,"score_B":91,"human_ref_A":"You can call the police and report him for being in possession of child porn. I'm so sorry you are going through this.","human_ref_B":"Not legal advice, but I think you might need psychological advice right now (social worker here.) I\u2019d start with psychologytoday.com, search for your zip code, then filter by 1) your insurance, and by 2) sexual abuse. A session with a therapist would hopefully provide you with immediate care; easier sleep knowing that you are taking active steps to address the problem; and locally specific legal advice on how to proceed further. I\u2019d suggest looking into legal action after your immediate safety and health is addressed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":314.0,"score_ratio":5.1758241758} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31lgz7","c_root_id_B":"f31yzzc","created_at_utc_A":1570578414,"created_at_utc_B":1570588578,"score_A":56,"score_B":471,"human_ref_A":"This is not really legal advice but please find someone who listens well to process this information with, possibly a therapist if you are open to it. It may be very helpful to talk through these different decisions with someone who is not connected to the situation and can just be there with you while you process this. I would also urge you to report this to child protective services in Texas, in case another individual is at risk or has been affected by this behavior, although I do not know if you are legally required to take any action.","human_ref_B":"You can call the police and report him for being in possession of child porn. I'm so sorry you are going through this.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10164.0,"score_ratio":8.4107142857} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31wnys","c_root_id_B":"f31lgz7","created_at_utc_A":1570586764,"created_at_utc_B":1570578414,"score_A":271,"score_B":56,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer but I am a mandated reporter. I had so much anxiety just reading your post and I can't imagine how difficult this must be for you. Step one is to get some professional help from a therapist. Step two is to report the crime. Your father possessing these photos is a crime, even if the statute of limitations on any acts seen within them is past. I would call the local police department and report it. I think possession of child pornography is also a federal crime so you could report it to the Texas Bureau of Investigation as well. Don't let your step-mom or dad know what you found because they might try and destroy evidence. I'm not sure if this would be advisable (I am not a lawyer) but you could take the photos to the police yourself to avoid them being destroyed.","human_ref_B":"This is not really legal advice but please find someone who listens well to process this information with, possibly a therapist if you are open to it. It may be very helpful to talk through these different decisions with someone who is not connected to the situation and can just be there with you while you process this. I would also urge you to report this to child protective services in Texas, in case another individual is at risk or has been affected by this behavior, although I do not know if you are legally required to take any action.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8350.0,"score_ratio":4.8392857143} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31yu78","c_root_id_B":"f321h3w","created_at_utc_A":1570588453,"created_at_utc_B":1570590584,"score_A":97,"score_B":126,"human_ref_A":"A person that perpetuates this type of crime usually has approximately 20 other victims. You should report this so that this won't happen to any other person. Those that have said that the OP is making this up, we don't know the whole story. Additionally, whether true or made up, it is the responsibility of any adult, that wishes to comment on this thread to handle these kinds of statements in a face value context. We don't know why the OP posted this. We have to assume that OP is telling the truth. It is the best thing to do.","human_ref_B":"Hey OP, I don't have all that much to add to what folks have commented already. But I would like to advise you that pursuing any kind of legal action here is your option and your choice. I would advise reporting your believed perpetrator to appropriate authorities because these kinds of abusers tend to abuse serially. But you don't have to be a witness or bring a civil suit yourself if you decide against it. I would strongly advise you to talk to a therapist you like and trust about your options here. Litigation is often retraumatizing. I understand you feel strongly about what you've seen in these photos, and you should work through your feelings about them and your family with help. But if that's all you want to do here, that's totally valid and okay.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2131.0,"score_ratio":1.2989690722} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31ylld","c_root_id_B":"f321h3w","created_at_utc_A":1570588264,"created_at_utc_B":1570590584,"score_A":91,"score_B":126,"human_ref_A":"Not legal advice, but I think you might need psychological advice right now (social worker here.) I\u2019d start with psychologytoday.com, search for your zip code, then filter by 1) your insurance, and by 2) sexual abuse. A session with a therapist would hopefully provide you with immediate care; easier sleep knowing that you are taking active steps to address the problem; and locally specific legal advice on how to proceed further. I\u2019d suggest looking into legal action after your immediate safety and health is addressed.","human_ref_B":"Hey OP, I don't have all that much to add to what folks have commented already. But I would like to advise you that pursuing any kind of legal action here is your option and your choice. I would advise reporting your believed perpetrator to appropriate authorities because these kinds of abusers tend to abuse serially. But you don't have to be a witness or bring a civil suit yourself if you decide against it. I would strongly advise you to talk to a therapist you like and trust about your options here. Litigation is often retraumatizing. I understand you feel strongly about what you've seen in these photos, and you should work through your feelings about them and your family with help. But if that's all you want to do here, that's totally valid and okay.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2320.0,"score_ratio":1.3846153846} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f321h3w","c_root_id_B":"f31lgz7","created_at_utc_A":1570590584,"created_at_utc_B":1570578414,"score_A":126,"score_B":56,"human_ref_A":"Hey OP, I don't have all that much to add to what folks have commented already. But I would like to advise you that pursuing any kind of legal action here is your option and your choice. I would advise reporting your believed perpetrator to appropriate authorities because these kinds of abusers tend to abuse serially. But you don't have to be a witness or bring a civil suit yourself if you decide against it. I would strongly advise you to talk to a therapist you like and trust about your options here. Litigation is often retraumatizing. I understand you feel strongly about what you've seen in these photos, and you should work through your feelings about them and your family with help. But if that's all you want to do here, that's totally valid and okay.","human_ref_B":"This is not really legal advice but please find someone who listens well to process this information with, possibly a therapist if you are open to it. It may be very helpful to talk through these different decisions with someone who is not connected to the situation and can just be there with you while you process this. I would also urge you to report this to child protective services in Texas, in case another individual is at risk or has been affected by this behavior, although I do not know if you are legally required to take any action.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12170.0,"score_ratio":2.25} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31ylld","c_root_id_B":"f31yu78","created_at_utc_A":1570588264,"created_at_utc_B":1570588453,"score_A":91,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"Not legal advice, but I think you might need psychological advice right now (social worker here.) I\u2019d start with psychologytoday.com, search for your zip code, then filter by 1) your insurance, and by 2) sexual abuse. A session with a therapist would hopefully provide you with immediate care; easier sleep knowing that you are taking active steps to address the problem; and locally specific legal advice on how to proceed further. I\u2019d suggest looking into legal action after your immediate safety and health is addressed.","human_ref_B":"A person that perpetuates this type of crime usually has approximately 20 other victims. You should report this so that this won't happen to any other person. Those that have said that the OP is making this up, we don't know the whole story. Additionally, whether true or made up, it is the responsibility of any adult, that wishes to comment on this thread to handle these kinds of statements in a face value context. We don't know why the OP posted this. We have to assume that OP is telling the truth. It is the best thing to do.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":189.0,"score_ratio":1.0659340659} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31lgz7","c_root_id_B":"f31yu78","created_at_utc_A":1570578414,"created_at_utc_B":1570588453,"score_A":56,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"This is not really legal advice but please find someone who listens well to process this information with, possibly a therapist if you are open to it. It may be very helpful to talk through these different decisions with someone who is not connected to the situation and can just be there with you while you process this. I would also urge you to report this to child protective services in Texas, in case another individual is at risk or has been affected by this behavior, although I do not know if you are legally required to take any action.","human_ref_B":"A person that perpetuates this type of crime usually has approximately 20 other victims. You should report this so that this won't happen to any other person. Those that have said that the OP is making this up, we don't know the whole story. Additionally, whether true or made up, it is the responsibility of any adult, that wishes to comment on this thread to handle these kinds of statements in a face value context. We don't know why the OP posted this. We have to assume that OP is telling the truth. It is the best thing to do.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10039.0,"score_ratio":1.7321428571} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f31lgz7","c_root_id_B":"f31ylld","created_at_utc_A":1570578414,"created_at_utc_B":1570588264,"score_A":56,"score_B":91,"human_ref_A":"This is not really legal advice but please find someone who listens well to process this information with, possibly a therapist if you are open to it. It may be very helpful to talk through these different decisions with someone who is not connected to the situation and can just be there with you while you process this. I would also urge you to report this to child protective services in Texas, in case another individual is at risk or has been affected by this behavior, although I do not know if you are legally required to take any action.","human_ref_B":"Not legal advice, but I think you might need psychological advice right now (social worker here.) I\u2019d start with psychologytoday.com, search for your zip code, then filter by 1) your insurance, and by 2) sexual abuse. A session with a therapist would hopefully provide you with immediate care; easier sleep knowing that you are taking active steps to address the problem; and locally specific legal advice on how to proceed further. I\u2019d suggest looking into legal action after your immediate safety and health is addressed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9850.0,"score_ratio":1.625} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f328jmm","c_root_id_B":"f322ven","created_at_utc_A":1570597364,"created_at_utc_B":1570591796,"score_A":54,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but OP those photos, if they are as you describe, count as child pornography and regardless of the abuse, the possession of those photos doesn't \"wear off\" the same way. Go to the police.","human_ref_B":"Number one? Therapy? You don't have PTSD...but you might soon or worse if you don't cope with this the right way. File something. It doesn't matter if it goes anywhere, but if it does, you have done more than doing nothing. If it doesn't, then there is a report just in case someone files or has filed before. Take care of yourself.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5568.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f328jmm","c_root_id_B":"f326fnr","created_at_utc_A":1570597364,"created_at_utc_B":1570595159,"score_A":54,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but OP those photos, if they are as you describe, count as child pornography and regardless of the abuse, the possession of those photos doesn't \"wear off\" the same way. Go to the police.","human_ref_B":"Report him especially if he has access to children the same age you were then. (Everytime I try to add the link the page freezes. Google Texas CPS Report and you will get the page) You can call RAINN at 800-656-HOPE they have people who are specially trained to help people in your situation. rainn.org Please reach out to them or to someone you trust. No one should be alone after this type of discovery. I get that you don't want to hurt your Mom, but she loves you and you can support each other.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2205.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f326cpv","c_root_id_B":"f328jmm","created_at_utc_A":1570595079,"created_at_utc_B":1570597364,"score_A":26,"score_B":54,"human_ref_A":"Contact the police and explain everything. Give as much detail as possible. Contact RAINN and\/or a therapist for the support you need. As for your mother, if you are close to her, tell her. She might be upset but hopefully she'll be there for you as you need and deserve support. I'm so sorry this happened to you.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer but OP those photos, if they are as you describe, count as child pornography and regardless of the abuse, the possession of those photos doesn't \"wear off\" the same way. Go to the police.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2285.0,"score_ratio":2.0769230769} {"post_id":"df7314","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I just found some pornographic photos of me as a child at my fathers house. I don\u2019t know what to do. TEXAS I had to make a throwaway account to avoid being identified. I am at a loss for words right now. I feel like my entire existence has been a lie. I have lived for 28 years and now I feel like I even know who I am anymore. I was helping my dad and stepmom clean up for a garage sale. I was in the attack and was going through a bunch of old boxes that hadn\u2019t been touched in years. I was looking through one box and there were some photos of me with aunts, uncles, cousins and other family members on my dads side. I had never seen these pictures so I looked through them all. After a few photos, they were just photos of me. Usually alone on a bed. Then there were photos of me naked. And I was crying. I dont really want to go into detail of the rest of the photos I saw. My parents were divorced, so this must have happened during Christmas or summer break since that\u2019s when I had visits with my dad. My mom is going to be devastated. I don\u2019t want her to blame herself. She tried hard to allow my dad custody. He was physically abusive towards her, he was wealthy so I guess he had a good lawyer. I\u2019m not really sure what my next steps are here. Do I report this? I never had any behaviors from this alleged abuse nor did I have any PTSD because I never knew I was abused. My mind is all over the place and I just feel lost.","c_root_id_A":"f326fnr","c_root_id_B":"f326cpv","created_at_utc_A":1570595159,"created_at_utc_B":1570595079,"score_A":36,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Report him especially if he has access to children the same age you were then. (Everytime I try to add the link the page freezes. Google Texas CPS Report and you will get the page) You can call RAINN at 800-656-HOPE they have people who are specially trained to help people in your situation. rainn.org Please reach out to them or to someone you trust. No one should be alone after this type of discovery. I get that you don't want to hurt your Mom, but she loves you and you can support each other.","human_ref_B":"Contact the police and explain everything. Give as much detail as possible. Contact RAINN and\/or a therapist for the support you need. As for your mother, if you are close to her, tell her. She might be upset but hopefully she'll be there for you as you need and deserve support. I'm so sorry this happened to you.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":80.0,"score_ratio":1.3846153846} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggsxcqu","c_root_id_B":"ggsss69","created_at_utc_A":1608736917,"created_at_utc_B":1608734206,"score_A":9937,"score_B":3537,"human_ref_A":"Forcing someone to get married is a crime in NSW!! PLEASE FIND A RESPONSIBLE ADULT. They can help - hopefully they can take your side against your family. Trusted teacher, friend's parent, estranged aunt... Your family is trying to force you - by peer pressure, berating you, even physical abuse or confinement, I don't know, but DO NOT GIVE IN. Please don't ruin your life by agreeing; if these people going to make you miserable either way, be miserable and FREE. Read through this, it has links and info that should help you. https:\/\/www.women.nsw.gov.au\/strategies\/nsw-domestic-and-family-violence\/forced-marriage Whatever you do, do NOT get married to this guy - do not sign anything, if you're put in front of a JP or a priest TELL THEM you aren't there of your own free will and do not consent to marriage. It should force a postponing and investigation, if they're any sort of good person. That said, it is difficult to get married while under 18, you need parental AND COURT approval. Also lodging a notice of intended marriage has to be done a month before, so DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING. See: https:\/\/www.nsw.gov.au\/topics\/marriages\/marriage-nsw#:~:text=To%20get%20married%20in%20NSW,has%20court%20approval%20to%20marry At your age, all you should have to worry about is school, friends, maybe a part time job. I am sorry and you do not deserve this. Your parents should be protecting you from this predator. YOU ARE STRONG AND DO NOT DESERVE THIS. WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS A CRIME.","human_ref_B":"Talk to your school counselor and if that doesn\u2019t work then the police. Don\u2019t stop telling adults until one of them helps you.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2711.0,"score_ratio":2.8094430308} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggsx3lv","c_root_id_B":"ggsxcqu","created_at_utc_A":1608736770,"created_at_utc_B":1608736917,"score_A":2138,"score_B":9937,"human_ref_A":"Forcing somebody to get married is a crime in Australia, and is punishable by up to nine years in prison, or up to 25 years in prison if a child is taken overseas for forced marriage. ... It is illegal under Australian law for any person under the age of 16, and two people under the age of 18, to marry. I\u2019d tell the police, it\u2019s illegal.","human_ref_B":"Forcing someone to get married is a crime in NSW!! PLEASE FIND A RESPONSIBLE ADULT. They can help - hopefully they can take your side against your family. Trusted teacher, friend's parent, estranged aunt... Your family is trying to force you - by peer pressure, berating you, even physical abuse or confinement, I don't know, but DO NOT GIVE IN. Please don't ruin your life by agreeing; if these people going to make you miserable either way, be miserable and FREE. Read through this, it has links and info that should help you. https:\/\/www.women.nsw.gov.au\/strategies\/nsw-domestic-and-family-violence\/forced-marriage Whatever you do, do NOT get married to this guy - do not sign anything, if you're put in front of a JP or a priest TELL THEM you aren't there of your own free will and do not consent to marriage. It should force a postponing and investigation, if they're any sort of good person. That said, it is difficult to get married while under 18, you need parental AND COURT approval. Also lodging a notice of intended marriage has to be done a month before, so DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING. See: https:\/\/www.nsw.gov.au\/topics\/marriages\/marriage-nsw#:~:text=To%20get%20married%20in%20NSW,has%20court%20approval%20to%20marry At your age, all you should have to worry about is school, friends, maybe a part time job. I am sorry and you do not deserve this. Your parents should be protecting you from this predator. YOU ARE STRONG AND DO NOT DESERVE THIS. WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS A CRIME.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":147.0,"score_ratio":4.6478016838} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggst5z3","c_root_id_B":"ggsxcqu","created_at_utc_A":1608734442,"created_at_utc_B":1608736917,"score_A":576,"score_B":9937,"human_ref_A":"You may have more luck at r\/auslegal","human_ref_B":"Forcing someone to get married is a crime in NSW!! PLEASE FIND A RESPONSIBLE ADULT. They can help - hopefully they can take your side against your family. Trusted teacher, friend's parent, estranged aunt... Your family is trying to force you - by peer pressure, berating you, even physical abuse or confinement, I don't know, but DO NOT GIVE IN. Please don't ruin your life by agreeing; if these people going to make you miserable either way, be miserable and FREE. Read through this, it has links and info that should help you. https:\/\/www.women.nsw.gov.au\/strategies\/nsw-domestic-and-family-violence\/forced-marriage Whatever you do, do NOT get married to this guy - do not sign anything, if you're put in front of a JP or a priest TELL THEM you aren't there of your own free will and do not consent to marriage. It should force a postponing and investigation, if they're any sort of good person. That said, it is difficult to get married while under 18, you need parental AND COURT approval. Also lodging a notice of intended marriage has to be done a month before, so DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING. See: https:\/\/www.nsw.gov.au\/topics\/marriages\/marriage-nsw#:~:text=To%20get%20married%20in%20NSW,has%20court%20approval%20to%20marry At your age, all you should have to worry about is school, friends, maybe a part time job. I am sorry and you do not deserve this. Your parents should be protecting you from this predator. YOU ARE STRONG AND DO NOT DESERVE THIS. WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS A CRIME.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2475.0,"score_ratio":17.2517361111} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggsx8at","c_root_id_B":"ggsxcqu","created_at_utc_A":1608736845,"created_at_utc_B":1608736917,"score_A":262,"score_B":9937,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but a quick google search makes it seem like the federal police are going to be the place to look for help. link What your parents are doing is not legal here in Australia and not ok. If you have any friends or family that you can trust go to them for help too.","human_ref_B":"Forcing someone to get married is a crime in NSW!! PLEASE FIND A RESPONSIBLE ADULT. They can help - hopefully they can take your side against your family. Trusted teacher, friend's parent, estranged aunt... Your family is trying to force you - by peer pressure, berating you, even physical abuse or confinement, I don't know, but DO NOT GIVE IN. Please don't ruin your life by agreeing; if these people going to make you miserable either way, be miserable and FREE. Read through this, it has links and info that should help you. https:\/\/www.women.nsw.gov.au\/strategies\/nsw-domestic-and-family-violence\/forced-marriage Whatever you do, do NOT get married to this guy - do not sign anything, if you're put in front of a JP or a priest TELL THEM you aren't there of your own free will and do not consent to marriage. It should force a postponing and investigation, if they're any sort of good person. That said, it is difficult to get married while under 18, you need parental AND COURT approval. Also lodging a notice of intended marriage has to be done a month before, so DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING. See: https:\/\/www.nsw.gov.au\/topics\/marriages\/marriage-nsw#:~:text=To%20get%20married%20in%20NSW,has%20court%20approval%20to%20marry At your age, all you should have to worry about is school, friends, maybe a part time job. I am sorry and you do not deserve this. Your parents should be protecting you from this predator. YOU ARE STRONG AND DO NOT DESERVE THIS. WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS A CRIME.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":72.0,"score_ratio":37.927480916} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggst5z3","c_root_id_B":"ggsx3lv","created_at_utc_A":1608734442,"created_at_utc_B":1608736770,"score_A":576,"score_B":2138,"human_ref_A":"You may have more luck at r\/auslegal","human_ref_B":"Forcing somebody to get married is a crime in Australia, and is punishable by up to nine years in prison, or up to 25 years in prison if a child is taken overseas for forced marriage. ... It is illegal under Australian law for any person under the age of 16, and two people under the age of 18, to marry. I\u2019d tell the police, it\u2019s illegal.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2328.0,"score_ratio":3.7118055556} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggt4vba","c_root_id_B":"ggszfur","created_at_utc_A":1608741021,"created_at_utc_B":1608738090,"score_A":2064,"score_B":904,"human_ref_A":"Call this number: 02 9319 4088 It\u2019s the number of the women\u2019s and girls\u2018 emergency center in Sydney. They will know what to do!","human_ref_B":"OP - please call the police or CPS even both !! Please do everything you can to find a responsible adult to talk to to keep you safe. I found 2 numbers on Google : Ph: 1800 177 135 or (07) 3235 9999 From the little research I\u2019ve made this is a crime punishable by law in Australia (I\u2019m not a lawyer at all)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2931.0,"score_ratio":2.2831858407} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggst5z3","c_root_id_B":"ggt4vba","created_at_utc_A":1608734442,"created_at_utc_B":1608741021,"score_A":576,"score_B":2064,"human_ref_A":"You may have more luck at r\/auslegal","human_ref_B":"Call this number: 02 9319 4088 It\u2019s the number of the women\u2019s and girls\u2018 emergency center in Sydney. They will know what to do!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6579.0,"score_ratio":3.5833333333} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggt4awq","c_root_id_B":"ggt4vba","created_at_utc_A":1608740720,"created_at_utc_B":1608741021,"score_A":475,"score_B":2064,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely you should call the police or contact a school counselor. But in the meantime, take your cell phone and shoot a video of yourself. In the video you should say: 1. What your parents are trying to do. 2. That you do not consent to this marriage and never will. 3. If you do marry the man, it is because you were forced to do so. Keep it short and stick to the facts. This video is a legal declaration. Post it to youtube and make the link private. Youtube will put a date on the video. Without this type of proof, someone may try and argue that you did want to marry the man but changed your mind afterwords.","human_ref_B":"Call this number: 02 9319 4088 It\u2019s the number of the women\u2019s and girls\u2018 emergency center in Sydney. They will know what to do!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":301.0,"score_ratio":4.3452631579} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggsy587","c_root_id_B":"ggt4vba","created_at_utc_A":1608737364,"created_at_utc_B":1608741021,"score_A":351,"score_B":2064,"human_ref_A":"OP. Call the police.","human_ref_B":"Call this number: 02 9319 4088 It\u2019s the number of the women\u2019s and girls\u2018 emergency center in Sydney. They will know what to do!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3657.0,"score_ratio":5.8803418803} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggt4vba","c_root_id_B":"ggsx8at","created_at_utc_A":1608741021,"created_at_utc_B":1608736845,"score_A":2064,"score_B":262,"human_ref_A":"Call this number: 02 9319 4088 It\u2019s the number of the women\u2019s and girls\u2018 emergency center in Sydney. They will know what to do!","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer but a quick google search makes it seem like the federal police are going to be the place to look for help. link What your parents are doing is not legal here in Australia and not ok. If you have any friends or family that you can trust go to them for help too.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4176.0,"score_ratio":7.8778625954} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggt33my","c_root_id_B":"ggt4vba","created_at_utc_A":1608740073,"created_at_utc_B":1608741021,"score_A":245,"score_B":2064,"human_ref_A":"I would call the Dept of social services NSW. Ph: 1300 653 227 They specialize in protecting women and children.","human_ref_B":"Call this number: 02 9319 4088 It\u2019s the number of the women\u2019s and girls\u2018 emergency center in Sydney. They will know what to do!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":948.0,"score_ratio":8.4244897959} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggsyhl2","c_root_id_B":"ggt4vba","created_at_utc_A":1608737558,"created_at_utc_B":1608741021,"score_A":186,"score_B":2064,"human_ref_A":"Firstly you need to start compiling all the evidence that you have about this arranged marriage and then GET OUT OF THERE! Literally go to the police and show them all the evidence you have. Run away to a friends place for a while if you can! Please, please, please run away and alert the authorities. Edit: also start saving as much money and supplies as possible. Try and keep a spare phone as well. Make a getaway bag.","human_ref_B":"Call this number: 02 9319 4088 It\u2019s the number of the women\u2019s and girls\u2018 emergency center in Sydney. They will know what to do!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3463.0,"score_ratio":11.0967741935} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggst5z3","c_root_id_B":"ggszfur","created_at_utc_A":1608734442,"created_at_utc_B":1608738090,"score_A":576,"score_B":904,"human_ref_A":"You may have more luck at r\/auslegal","human_ref_B":"OP - please call the police or CPS even both !! Please do everything you can to find a responsible adult to talk to to keep you safe. I found 2 numbers on Google : Ph: 1800 177 135 or (07) 3235 9999 From the little research I\u2019ve made this is a crime punishable by law in Australia (I\u2019m not a lawyer at all)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3648.0,"score_ratio":1.5694444444} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggsy587","c_root_id_B":"ggszfur","created_at_utc_A":1608737364,"created_at_utc_B":1608738090,"score_A":351,"score_B":904,"human_ref_A":"OP. Call the police.","human_ref_B":"OP - please call the police or CPS even both !! Please do everything you can to find a responsible adult to talk to to keep you safe. I found 2 numbers on Google : Ph: 1800 177 135 or (07) 3235 9999 From the little research I\u2019ve made this is a crime punishable by law in Australia (I\u2019m not a lawyer at all)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":726.0,"score_ratio":2.5754985755} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggszfur","c_root_id_B":"ggsx8at","created_at_utc_A":1608738090,"created_at_utc_B":1608736845,"score_A":904,"score_B":262,"human_ref_A":"OP - please call the police or CPS even both !! Please do everything you can to find a responsible adult to talk to to keep you safe. I found 2 numbers on Google : Ph: 1800 177 135 or (07) 3235 9999 From the little research I\u2019ve made this is a crime punishable by law in Australia (I\u2019m not a lawyer at all)","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer but a quick google search makes it seem like the federal police are going to be the place to look for help. link What your parents are doing is not legal here in Australia and not ok. If you have any friends or family that you can trust go to them for help too.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1245.0,"score_ratio":3.4503816794} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggszfur","c_root_id_B":"ggsyhl2","created_at_utc_A":1608738090,"created_at_utc_B":1608737558,"score_A":904,"score_B":186,"human_ref_A":"OP - please call the police or CPS even both !! Please do everything you can to find a responsible adult to talk to to keep you safe. I found 2 numbers on Google : Ph: 1800 177 135 or (07) 3235 9999 From the little research I\u2019ve made this is a crime punishable by law in Australia (I\u2019m not a lawyer at all)","human_ref_B":"Firstly you need to start compiling all the evidence that you have about this arranged marriage and then GET OUT OF THERE! Literally go to the police and show them all the evidence you have. Run away to a friends place for a while if you can! Please, please, please run away and alert the authorities. Edit: also start saving as much money and supplies as possible. Try and keep a spare phone as well. Make a getaway bag.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":532.0,"score_ratio":4.8602150538} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggsy587","c_root_id_B":"ggt4awq","created_at_utc_A":1608737364,"created_at_utc_B":1608740720,"score_A":351,"score_B":475,"human_ref_A":"OP. Call the police.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely you should call the police or contact a school counselor. But in the meantime, take your cell phone and shoot a video of yourself. In the video you should say: 1. What your parents are trying to do. 2. That you do not consent to this marriage and never will. 3. If you do marry the man, it is because you were forced to do so. Keep it short and stick to the facts. This video is a legal declaration. Post it to youtube and make the link private. Youtube will put a date on the video. Without this type of proof, someone may try and argue that you did want to marry the man but changed your mind afterwords.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3356.0,"score_ratio":1.3532763533} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggsx8at","c_root_id_B":"ggt4awq","created_at_utc_A":1608736845,"created_at_utc_B":1608740720,"score_A":262,"score_B":475,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but a quick google search makes it seem like the federal police are going to be the place to look for help. link What your parents are doing is not legal here in Australia and not ok. If you have any friends or family that you can trust go to them for help too.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely you should call the police or contact a school counselor. But in the meantime, take your cell phone and shoot a video of yourself. In the video you should say: 1. What your parents are trying to do. 2. That you do not consent to this marriage and never will. 3. If you do marry the man, it is because you were forced to do so. Keep it short and stick to the facts. This video is a legal declaration. Post it to youtube and make the link private. Youtube will put a date on the video. Without this type of proof, someone may try and argue that you did want to marry the man but changed your mind afterwords.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3875.0,"score_ratio":1.8129770992} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggt4awq","c_root_id_B":"ggt33my","created_at_utc_A":1608740720,"created_at_utc_B":1608740073,"score_A":475,"score_B":245,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely you should call the police or contact a school counselor. But in the meantime, take your cell phone and shoot a video of yourself. In the video you should say: 1. What your parents are trying to do. 2. That you do not consent to this marriage and never will. 3. If you do marry the man, it is because you were forced to do so. Keep it short and stick to the facts. This video is a legal declaration. Post it to youtube and make the link private. Youtube will put a date on the video. Without this type of proof, someone may try and argue that you did want to marry the man but changed your mind afterwords.","human_ref_B":"I would call the Dept of social services NSW. Ph: 1300 653 227 They specialize in protecting women and children.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":647.0,"score_ratio":1.9387755102} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggt4awq","c_root_id_B":"ggsyhl2","created_at_utc_A":1608740720,"created_at_utc_B":1608737558,"score_A":475,"score_B":186,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely you should call the police or contact a school counselor. But in the meantime, take your cell phone and shoot a video of yourself. In the video you should say: 1. What your parents are trying to do. 2. That you do not consent to this marriage and never will. 3. If you do marry the man, it is because you were forced to do so. Keep it short and stick to the facts. This video is a legal declaration. Post it to youtube and make the link private. Youtube will put a date on the video. Without this type of proof, someone may try and argue that you did want to marry the man but changed your mind afterwords.","human_ref_B":"Firstly you need to start compiling all the evidence that you have about this arranged marriage and then GET OUT OF THERE! Literally go to the police and show them all the evidence you have. Run away to a friends place for a while if you can! Please, please, please run away and alert the authorities. Edit: also start saving as much money and supplies as possible. Try and keep a spare phone as well. Make a getaway bag.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3162.0,"score_ratio":2.5537634409} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggsx8at","c_root_id_B":"ggsy587","created_at_utc_A":1608736845,"created_at_utc_B":1608737364,"score_A":262,"score_B":351,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but a quick google search makes it seem like the federal police are going to be the place to look for help. link What your parents are doing is not legal here in Australia and not ok. If you have any friends or family that you can trust go to them for help too.","human_ref_B":"OP. Call the police.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":519.0,"score_ratio":1.3396946565} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggt33my","c_root_id_B":"ggsyhl2","created_at_utc_A":1608740073,"created_at_utc_B":1608737558,"score_A":245,"score_B":186,"human_ref_A":"I would call the Dept of social services NSW. Ph: 1300 653 227 They specialize in protecting women and children.","human_ref_B":"Firstly you need to start compiling all the evidence that you have about this arranged marriage and then GET OUT OF THERE! Literally go to the police and show them all the evidence you have. Run away to a friends place for a while if you can! Please, please, please run away and alert the authorities. Edit: also start saving as much money and supplies as possible. Try and keep a spare phone as well. Make a getaway bag.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2515.0,"score_ratio":1.3172043011} {"post_id":"kiu4bj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"forced marriage of a minor (me) to a full grown adult i am 16 years old and my family is forcing me to marry a 27 years old guy. He actually expressed his interest in me when i was 13 years old, it\u2019s so messed up and he is definitely a pedophile but the marriage is going to be this January and i am considering running away because i cannot do this. Any suggestions on what i can do? This takes place in Australia NSW if that matters. Please help","c_root_id_A":"ggt9du8","c_root_id_B":"ggt6vqc","created_at_utc_A":1608743374,"created_at_utc_B":1608742073,"score_A":84,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"Send messages to any adult you can. Tell everyone you can until one of them helps you!! You don't owe your whole life to your parents just because they're your parents, and they can't force you to give yourself over to a pedophile. It's illegal where you are. Idk what threatening to go to the police would do, if they would stopp out of fear of getting in legal trouble, but there's tons of resources to help you. Here's a phone number for a child help line and link for a group that saves people from forced marriages. There's a \"quick exit\" link in the top right corner in pink in case your parents come in and look over your shoulder that takes you to a weather forecast. 132 111 https:\/\/www.women.nsw.gov.au\/strategies\/nsw-domestic-and-family-violence\/forced-marriage#:~:text=Underage%20forced%20marriage%20is%20illegal,Child%20Protection%20Helpline%20132%20111.","human_ref_B":"I do not know how valid the link below is, but forced marriages as opposed to arranged marriages is a crime. https:\/\/www.smartraveller.gov.au\/before-you-go\/laws\/forced-marriage#:~:text=The%20penalties%20for%20forced%20marriage%20can%20include%20up,to%20Australia%2C%20for%20the%20purpose%20of%20forced%20marriage.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1301.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhb8p0g","c_root_id_B":"fhb5yoh","created_at_utc_A":1581437160,"created_at_utc_B":1581435514,"score_A":3639,"score_B":1970,"human_ref_A":"You seem like you've handled things professionally with your current employer. Go to HR TODAY and explain the situation. You don't need to say anything but \"I had an offer from another employer but it was rescinded through no fault of my own. I know I've already started the offboarding process, but I'd like to know if I have any options that involve staying.\" You don't need to specify why you were looking, for all they know it was a dream job with a company unrelated to your current field and that you are only looking there and nowhere else. Most companies would rather keep the current employee and pull down the employment listing than hire someone new. If you were to escalate this to a lawyer you're going to run into a major problem if you DON'T attempt to keep your current job. The first call a lawyer for the other employer is going to make is to HR at your current company to ask if they would have allowed you to stay, and if they say \"of course, but they didn't even ask\" then any damages you seek are damages you did to yourself by not trying to stay. The only way you're going to occur any damages from this is if your current employer refuses to let you stay and you can't find another, comparably paying job quickly.","human_ref_B":"I would talk to your existing employer about it. They do not want to train\/hire someone new and spend money on recruiting. The worst they can do is refuse to take you back, but, unless you\u2019ve burned bridges, they\u2019ll take you back because it saves them money. Unfortunately, you won\u2019t be entitled to unemployment if you leave voluntarily. It might be embarrassing to discuss it with your colleagues, but I would be honest and let them know the offer was rescinded. The worst that can happen is that they tell you to F off. Okay, but then they\u2019ll probably be paying someone else more to do what you do, in a tight labor market, They already know you have the skills and also don\u2019t require a lengthy training process.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1646.0,"score_ratio":1.8472081218} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhaug1u","c_root_id_B":"fhb8p0g","created_at_utc_A":1581427319,"created_at_utc_B":1581437160,"score_A":967,"score_B":3639,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer. This sounds like a textbook example of \"promissory estoppel\" (https:\/\/www.law.cornell.edu\/wex\/promissory_estoppel) depending on your location and what state labor laws you're under. Unfortunately my understanding is that lawsuits based on these kinds of situations are rare and very difficult to prove in court. Certainly consulting with an attorney in your area specializing in employment contracts could help you learn if the new company is liable for damages regarding your decision to quit your old company.","human_ref_B":"You seem like you've handled things professionally with your current employer. Go to HR TODAY and explain the situation. You don't need to say anything but \"I had an offer from another employer but it was rescinded through no fault of my own. I know I've already started the offboarding process, but I'd like to know if I have any options that involve staying.\" You don't need to specify why you were looking, for all they know it was a dream job with a company unrelated to your current field and that you are only looking there and nowhere else. Most companies would rather keep the current employee and pull down the employment listing than hire someone new. If you were to escalate this to a lawyer you're going to run into a major problem if you DON'T attempt to keep your current job. The first call a lawyer for the other employer is going to make is to HR at your current company to ask if they would have allowed you to stay, and if they say \"of course, but they didn't even ask\" then any damages you seek are damages you did to yourself by not trying to stay. The only way you're going to occur any damages from this is if your current employer refuses to let you stay and you can't find another, comparably paying job quickly.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9841.0,"score_ratio":3.7631851086} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhb8p0g","c_root_id_B":"fhaxzu7","created_at_utc_A":1581437160,"created_at_utc_B":1581430113,"score_A":3639,"score_B":190,"human_ref_A":"You seem like you've handled things professionally with your current employer. Go to HR TODAY and explain the situation. You don't need to say anything but \"I had an offer from another employer but it was rescinded through no fault of my own. I know I've already started the offboarding process, but I'd like to know if I have any options that involve staying.\" You don't need to specify why you were looking, for all they know it was a dream job with a company unrelated to your current field and that you are only looking there and nowhere else. Most companies would rather keep the current employee and pull down the employment listing than hire someone new. If you were to escalate this to a lawyer you're going to run into a major problem if you DON'T attempt to keep your current job. The first call a lawyer for the other employer is going to make is to HR at your current company to ask if they would have allowed you to stay, and if they say \"of course, but they didn't even ask\" then any damages you seek are damages you did to yourself by not trying to stay. The only way you're going to occur any damages from this is if your current employer refuses to let you stay and you can't find another, comparably paying job quickly.","human_ref_B":"An offer verbal or even written isn't a contract. Barring a contract you don't have any damages. If you were polite and professional then i think you might have an easy time getting back. As a tech lead and someone who made hiring decisions for developers, i know i'd be happy if someone who was leaving who already understood the company and projects and tools decided to stay. It'd save me a huge PITA in seasoning a new hire (even if they are pretty experienced)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7047.0,"score_ratio":19.1526315789} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhavndf","c_root_id_B":"fhb8p0g","created_at_utc_A":1581428306,"created_at_utc_B":1581437160,"score_A":98,"score_B":3639,"human_ref_A":"There is probably no recourse here, assuming at will employment. I didn't see location. You should go back to your current job, tell them you messed up and want to stay and that you have learned your lesson, the grass is not always greener and you are happy where you are at today. It may be in their best interest to keep you around. Some companies will keep you until they have a replacement trained up, so watch out for that.","human_ref_B":"You seem like you've handled things professionally with your current employer. Go to HR TODAY and explain the situation. You don't need to say anything but \"I had an offer from another employer but it was rescinded through no fault of my own. I know I've already started the offboarding process, but I'd like to know if I have any options that involve staying.\" You don't need to specify why you were looking, for all they know it was a dream job with a company unrelated to your current field and that you are only looking there and nowhere else. Most companies would rather keep the current employee and pull down the employment listing than hire someone new. If you were to escalate this to a lawyer you're going to run into a major problem if you DON'T attempt to keep your current job. The first call a lawyer for the other employer is going to make is to HR at your current company to ask if they would have allowed you to stay, and if they say \"of course, but they didn't even ask\" then any damages you seek are damages you did to yourself by not trying to stay. The only way you're going to occur any damages from this is if your current employer refuses to let you stay and you can't find another, comparably paying job quickly.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8854.0,"score_ratio":37.1326530612} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhb8p0g","c_root_id_B":"fhb776r","created_at_utc_A":1581437160,"created_at_utc_B":1581436267,"score_A":3639,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"You seem like you've handled things professionally with your current employer. Go to HR TODAY and explain the situation. You don't need to say anything but \"I had an offer from another employer but it was rescinded through no fault of my own. I know I've already started the offboarding process, but I'd like to know if I have any options that involve staying.\" You don't need to specify why you were looking, for all they know it was a dream job with a company unrelated to your current field and that you are only looking there and nowhere else. Most companies would rather keep the current employee and pull down the employment listing than hire someone new. If you were to escalate this to a lawyer you're going to run into a major problem if you DON'T attempt to keep your current job. The first call a lawyer for the other employer is going to make is to HR at your current company to ask if they would have allowed you to stay, and if they say \"of course, but they didn't even ask\" then any damages you seek are damages you did to yourself by not trying to stay. The only way you're going to occur any damages from this is if your current employer refuses to let you stay and you can't find another, comparably paying job quickly.","human_ref_B":"I would first go to your current employer, tell them what happened, and see if they\u2019re willing to keep you on. As of *right now*, because you\u2019re still employed, you\u2019ve suffered no damages and therefore cannot yet file suit. If your current employer agrees to keep you on, then great! the whole question here is moot. If not, then you should 1) file for unemployment the second you\u2019re no longer working for your current company & 2) contact an employment lawyer about this situation (possibly promissory estoppel).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":893.0,"score_ratio":139.9615384615} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhb8p0g","c_root_id_B":"fhayggi","created_at_utc_A":1581437160,"created_at_utc_B":1581430459,"score_A":3639,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"You seem like you've handled things professionally with your current employer. Go to HR TODAY and explain the situation. You don't need to say anything but \"I had an offer from another employer but it was rescinded through no fault of my own. I know I've already started the offboarding process, but I'd like to know if I have any options that involve staying.\" You don't need to specify why you were looking, for all they know it was a dream job with a company unrelated to your current field and that you are only looking there and nowhere else. Most companies would rather keep the current employee and pull down the employment listing than hire someone new. If you were to escalate this to a lawyer you're going to run into a major problem if you DON'T attempt to keep your current job. The first call a lawyer for the other employer is going to make is to HR at your current company to ask if they would have allowed you to stay, and if they say \"of course, but they didn't even ask\" then any damages you seek are damages you did to yourself by not trying to stay. The only way you're going to occur any damages from this is if your current employer refuses to let you stay and you can't find another, comparably paying job quickly.","human_ref_B":"Legally, no, your recourse is nothing unless both parties signed an employment contract that doesn't allow them to rescind their offer. I'm certain that's not the case, so my only advice is to start looking for another job. And consider asking your current job if you can stay on until your replacement is found and trained. It might be worth it to them. I once had an offer rescinded because the company HQ announced the day after my offer that they were closing the branch where I would have worked. My research showed I had no recourse. I couldn't force them to make a position in a closed office just because I'd relied on their offer, for example.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6701.0,"score_ratio":191.5263157895} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhb5yoh","c_root_id_B":"fhaug1u","created_at_utc_A":1581435514,"created_at_utc_B":1581427319,"score_A":1970,"score_B":967,"human_ref_A":"I would talk to your existing employer about it. They do not want to train\/hire someone new and spend money on recruiting. The worst they can do is refuse to take you back, but, unless you\u2019ve burned bridges, they\u2019ll take you back because it saves them money. Unfortunately, you won\u2019t be entitled to unemployment if you leave voluntarily. It might be embarrassing to discuss it with your colleagues, but I would be honest and let them know the offer was rescinded. The worst that can happen is that they tell you to F off. Okay, but then they\u2019ll probably be paying someone else more to do what you do, in a tight labor market, They already know you have the skills and also don\u2019t require a lengthy training process.","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer. This sounds like a textbook example of \"promissory estoppel\" (https:\/\/www.law.cornell.edu\/wex\/promissory_estoppel) depending on your location and what state labor laws you're under. Unfortunately my understanding is that lawsuits based on these kinds of situations are rare and very difficult to prove in court. Certainly consulting with an attorney in your area specializing in employment contracts could help you learn if the new company is liable for damages regarding your decision to quit your old company.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8195.0,"score_ratio":2.0372285419} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhaxzu7","c_root_id_B":"fhb5yoh","created_at_utc_A":1581430113,"created_at_utc_B":1581435514,"score_A":190,"score_B":1970,"human_ref_A":"An offer verbal or even written isn't a contract. Barring a contract you don't have any damages. If you were polite and professional then i think you might have an easy time getting back. As a tech lead and someone who made hiring decisions for developers, i know i'd be happy if someone who was leaving who already understood the company and projects and tools decided to stay. It'd save me a huge PITA in seasoning a new hire (even if they are pretty experienced)","human_ref_B":"I would talk to your existing employer about it. They do not want to train\/hire someone new and spend money on recruiting. The worst they can do is refuse to take you back, but, unless you\u2019ve burned bridges, they\u2019ll take you back because it saves them money. Unfortunately, you won\u2019t be entitled to unemployment if you leave voluntarily. It might be embarrassing to discuss it with your colleagues, but I would be honest and let them know the offer was rescinded. The worst that can happen is that they tell you to F off. Okay, but then they\u2019ll probably be paying someone else more to do what you do, in a tight labor market, They already know you have the skills and also don\u2019t require a lengthy training process.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5401.0,"score_ratio":10.3684210526} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhavndf","c_root_id_B":"fhb5yoh","created_at_utc_A":1581428306,"created_at_utc_B":1581435514,"score_A":98,"score_B":1970,"human_ref_A":"There is probably no recourse here, assuming at will employment. I didn't see location. You should go back to your current job, tell them you messed up and want to stay and that you have learned your lesson, the grass is not always greener and you are happy where you are at today. It may be in their best interest to keep you around. Some companies will keep you until they have a replacement trained up, so watch out for that.","human_ref_B":"I would talk to your existing employer about it. They do not want to train\/hire someone new and spend money on recruiting. The worst they can do is refuse to take you back, but, unless you\u2019ve burned bridges, they\u2019ll take you back because it saves them money. Unfortunately, you won\u2019t be entitled to unemployment if you leave voluntarily. It might be embarrassing to discuss it with your colleagues, but I would be honest and let them know the offer was rescinded. The worst that can happen is that they tell you to F off. Okay, but then they\u2019ll probably be paying someone else more to do what you do, in a tight labor market, They already know you have the skills and also don\u2019t require a lengthy training process.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7208.0,"score_ratio":20.1020408163} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhayggi","c_root_id_B":"fhb5yoh","created_at_utc_A":1581430459,"created_at_utc_B":1581435514,"score_A":19,"score_B":1970,"human_ref_A":"Legally, no, your recourse is nothing unless both parties signed an employment contract that doesn't allow them to rescind their offer. I'm certain that's not the case, so my only advice is to start looking for another job. And consider asking your current job if you can stay on until your replacement is found and trained. It might be worth it to them. I once had an offer rescinded because the company HQ announced the day after my offer that they were closing the branch where I would have worked. My research showed I had no recourse. I couldn't force them to make a position in a closed office just because I'd relied on their offer, for example.","human_ref_B":"I would talk to your existing employer about it. They do not want to train\/hire someone new and spend money on recruiting. The worst they can do is refuse to take you back, but, unless you\u2019ve burned bridges, they\u2019ll take you back because it saves them money. Unfortunately, you won\u2019t be entitled to unemployment if you leave voluntarily. It might be embarrassing to discuss it with your colleagues, but I would be honest and let them know the offer was rescinded. The worst that can happen is that they tell you to F off. Okay, but then they\u2019ll probably be paying someone else more to do what you do, in a tight labor market, They already know you have the skills and also don\u2019t require a lengthy training process.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5055.0,"score_ratio":103.6842105263} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhb8ume","c_root_id_B":"fhaxzu7","created_at_utc_A":1581437255,"created_at_utc_B":1581430113,"score_A":892,"score_B":190,"human_ref_A":"I think it's important that you ask your old company for your job back. Two reasons: 1: If they say yes, you have a job in the short-term. Maybe it works out as a long-term solution, maybe it just buys you time to look for something else. Either way, you have an income right now. 2: If they say no, it will be a big point in your favor when you seek unemployment compensation (which you should do in this scenario). The key fact you need to show to get unemployment compensation is that you are unemployed \"through no fault of your own\". This will be much harder to show if you do not ask for your job back (in writing, email, or both). Good luck!","human_ref_B":"An offer verbal or even written isn't a contract. Barring a contract you don't have any damages. If you were polite and professional then i think you might have an easy time getting back. As a tech lead and someone who made hiring decisions for developers, i know i'd be happy if someone who was leaving who already understood the company and projects and tools decided to stay. It'd save me a huge PITA in seasoning a new hire (even if they are pretty experienced)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7142.0,"score_ratio":4.6947368421} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhavndf","c_root_id_B":"fhb8ume","created_at_utc_A":1581428306,"created_at_utc_B":1581437255,"score_A":98,"score_B":892,"human_ref_A":"There is probably no recourse here, assuming at will employment. I didn't see location. You should go back to your current job, tell them you messed up and want to stay and that you have learned your lesson, the grass is not always greener and you are happy where you are at today. It may be in their best interest to keep you around. Some companies will keep you until they have a replacement trained up, so watch out for that.","human_ref_B":"I think it's important that you ask your old company for your job back. Two reasons: 1: If they say yes, you have a job in the short-term. Maybe it works out as a long-term solution, maybe it just buys you time to look for something else. Either way, you have an income right now. 2: If they say no, it will be a big point in your favor when you seek unemployment compensation (which you should do in this scenario). The key fact you need to show to get unemployment compensation is that you are unemployed \"through no fault of your own\". This will be much harder to show if you do not ask for your job back (in writing, email, or both). Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8949.0,"score_ratio":9.1020408163} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhb8ume","c_root_id_B":"fhb776r","created_at_utc_A":1581437255,"created_at_utc_B":1581436267,"score_A":892,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"I think it's important that you ask your old company for your job back. Two reasons: 1: If they say yes, you have a job in the short-term. Maybe it works out as a long-term solution, maybe it just buys you time to look for something else. Either way, you have an income right now. 2: If they say no, it will be a big point in your favor when you seek unemployment compensation (which you should do in this scenario). The key fact you need to show to get unemployment compensation is that you are unemployed \"through no fault of your own\". This will be much harder to show if you do not ask for your job back (in writing, email, or both). Good luck!","human_ref_B":"I would first go to your current employer, tell them what happened, and see if they\u2019re willing to keep you on. As of *right now*, because you\u2019re still employed, you\u2019ve suffered no damages and therefore cannot yet file suit. If your current employer agrees to keep you on, then great! the whole question here is moot. If not, then you should 1) file for unemployment the second you\u2019re no longer working for your current company & 2) contact an employment lawyer about this situation (possibly promissory estoppel).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":988.0,"score_ratio":34.3076923077} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhb8ume","c_root_id_B":"fhayggi","created_at_utc_A":1581437255,"created_at_utc_B":1581430459,"score_A":892,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"I think it's important that you ask your old company for your job back. Two reasons: 1: If they say yes, you have a job in the short-term. Maybe it works out as a long-term solution, maybe it just buys you time to look for something else. Either way, you have an income right now. 2: If they say no, it will be a big point in your favor when you seek unemployment compensation (which you should do in this scenario). The key fact you need to show to get unemployment compensation is that you are unemployed \"through no fault of your own\". This will be much harder to show if you do not ask for your job back (in writing, email, or both). Good luck!","human_ref_B":"Legally, no, your recourse is nothing unless both parties signed an employment contract that doesn't allow them to rescind their offer. I'm certain that's not the case, so my only advice is to start looking for another job. And consider asking your current job if you can stay on until your replacement is found and trained. It might be worth it to them. I once had an offer rescinded because the company HQ announced the day after my offer that they were closing the branch where I would have worked. My research showed I had no recourse. I couldn't force them to make a position in a closed office just because I'd relied on their offer, for example.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6796.0,"score_ratio":46.9473684211} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhavndf","c_root_id_B":"fhaxzu7","created_at_utc_A":1581428306,"created_at_utc_B":1581430113,"score_A":98,"score_B":190,"human_ref_A":"There is probably no recourse here, assuming at will employment. I didn't see location. You should go back to your current job, tell them you messed up and want to stay and that you have learned your lesson, the grass is not always greener and you are happy where you are at today. It may be in their best interest to keep you around. Some companies will keep you until they have a replacement trained up, so watch out for that.","human_ref_B":"An offer verbal or even written isn't a contract. Barring a contract you don't have any damages. If you were polite and professional then i think you might have an easy time getting back. As a tech lead and someone who made hiring decisions for developers, i know i'd be happy if someone who was leaving who already understood the company and projects and tools decided to stay. It'd save me a huge PITA in seasoning a new hire (even if they are pretty experienced)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1807.0,"score_ratio":1.9387755102} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhb90xz","c_root_id_B":"fhavndf","created_at_utc_A":1581437360,"created_at_utc_B":1581428306,"score_A":171,"score_B":98,"human_ref_A":".","human_ref_B":"There is probably no recourse here, assuming at will employment. I didn't see location. You should go back to your current job, tell them you messed up and want to stay and that you have learned your lesson, the grass is not always greener and you are happy where you are at today. It may be in their best interest to keep you around. Some companies will keep you until they have a replacement trained up, so watch out for that.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9054.0,"score_ratio":1.7448979592} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhb90xz","c_root_id_B":"fhb776r","created_at_utc_A":1581437360,"created_at_utc_B":1581436267,"score_A":171,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":".","human_ref_B":"I would first go to your current employer, tell them what happened, and see if they\u2019re willing to keep you on. As of *right now*, because you\u2019re still employed, you\u2019ve suffered no damages and therefore cannot yet file suit. If your current employer agrees to keep you on, then great! the whole question here is moot. If not, then you should 1) file for unemployment the second you\u2019re no longer working for your current company & 2) contact an employment lawyer about this situation (possibly promissory estoppel).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1093.0,"score_ratio":6.5769230769} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhayggi","c_root_id_B":"fhb90xz","created_at_utc_A":1581430459,"created_at_utc_B":1581437360,"score_A":19,"score_B":171,"human_ref_A":"Legally, no, your recourse is nothing unless both parties signed an employment contract that doesn't allow them to rescind their offer. I'm certain that's not the case, so my only advice is to start looking for another job. And consider asking your current job if you can stay on until your replacement is found and trained. It might be worth it to them. I once had an offer rescinded because the company HQ announced the day after my offer that they were closing the branch where I would have worked. My research showed I had no recourse. I couldn't force them to make a position in a closed office just because I'd relied on their offer, for example.","human_ref_B":".","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6901.0,"score_ratio":9.0} {"post_id":"f27y5r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Gave my two weeks and my new employer is rescinding due to \"company restructuring \" Half writing this to get advice, half to hear what outcomes I should expect. I was offered a role for a frontend dev position at a company. The company put me through 2 phone interviews, a coding project, and a 3hr in person interview, at the end of which I was offered a job the next week. I took it and signed their offer letter. Also had to go to the doctor for a drug test last week. In addition they made me sign a confidentiality agreement, which is kind of funny now. Today they called me and said due to restructuring a lot of things will be changing at the company. They weren't clear on their intentions. I had to seek clarifications and asked them to send it in writing today to both myself and my recruiter. They haven't yet. They called my recruiter and left it grey with them. Basically saying, they are taking away my offer, which I had to pry out of their HR person. I gave my two weeks last week, so I'm unemployed come Friday... I guess. My current job is decent and I never would have done this knowing. The new employer offered to reach out to my HR team at my current job. It feels too late to turn around since my current employer knows I'm willing \/ looking to leave. Also their off boarding has already started. I don't think going back is the right move at this point. I guess I'm curious what to do in this situation and if the new company is liable for damages. At the moment my recruiter is reaching out to gain clarifications and we will go from there tomorrow. The negligence from the new company is sort of outstanding from my point of view. Feels like this new employer is making me unemployed and do not have to face any repercussions.","c_root_id_A":"fhb776r","c_root_id_B":"fhayggi","created_at_utc_A":1581436267,"created_at_utc_B":1581430459,"score_A":26,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"I would first go to your current employer, tell them what happened, and see if they\u2019re willing to keep you on. As of *right now*, because you\u2019re still employed, you\u2019ve suffered no damages and therefore cannot yet file suit. If your current employer agrees to keep you on, then great! the whole question here is moot. If not, then you should 1) file for unemployment the second you\u2019re no longer working for your current company & 2) contact an employment lawyer about this situation (possibly promissory estoppel).","human_ref_B":"Legally, no, your recourse is nothing unless both parties signed an employment contract that doesn't allow them to rescind their offer. I'm certain that's not the case, so my only advice is to start looking for another job. And consider asking your current job if you can stay on until your replacement is found and trained. It might be worth it to them. I once had an offer rescinded because the company HQ announced the day after my offer that they were closing the branch where I would have worked. My research showed I had no recourse. I couldn't force them to make a position in a closed office just because I'd relied on their offer, for example.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5808.0,"score_ratio":1.3684210526} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhetka3","c_root_id_B":"hhfd3ao","created_at_utc_A":1634764063,"created_at_utc_B":1634772654,"score_A":2703,"score_B":5136,"human_ref_A":"You might have a case against the county for an uncompensated taking of personal property, which is prohibited under the 5th amendment to the US Constitution. This would apply to both the rocks and the use of your driveway. You could call up both lawyers and ask if they take eminent domain cases. If neither of those attorneys are willing to take the case, you might want to look for real estate attorneys in the nearest large town\/city.","human_ref_B":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8591.0,"score_ratio":1.9001109878} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhezk20","c_root_id_B":"hhfd3ao","created_at_utc_A":1634766580,"created_at_utc_B":1634772654,"score_A":1480,"score_B":5136,"human_ref_A":"If the government wants your land for public purpose they can take it, but they have to compensate you for it. You are probably going to want a lawyer. If the entire sheriff's office is against you they can make life very difficult for you. You want someone in your corner who can advocate for your rights.","human_ref_B":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6074.0,"score_ratio":3.4702702703} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhf8o8d","c_root_id_B":"hhfd3ao","created_at_utc_A":1634770609,"created_at_utc_B":1634772654,"score_A":1610,"score_B":5136,"human_ref_A":"This isn\u2019t legal advice per se, but the fact that the sheriff personally showed up at your home and chewed you out makes me nervous. That tells me that this is a small county population-wise, and small town cops are often bored and have nothing to do. They might take this as an opportunity to harass you incessantly. For your sake I wouldn\u2019t put the warning signs back up. I wouldn\u2019t engage with the deputies other than asking them politely to leave your property. Make sure your property is correctly posted with no-trespassing signs according to your jurisdiction. Then I\u2019d reach out to a lawyer to figure out how to proceed with getting the cops to stop using your property without permission. They might recommend suing for the value of the rocks they stole, or for damages if the cop cars damaged your property in any way. Or they might draft a letter to the sheriff\u2019s department. Take a lawyer\u2019s advice here. I really wouldn\u2019t recommend interacting with the sheriff or deputies in any way besides through a lawyer. They have every ability to make your life a living hell (even though it\u2019s morally and legally wrong, they won\u2019t give a shit). Small town cops are notorious for this shit. Edit: installing a gate that can lock would be a good next step. Put a private property\/no trespassing sign right on the gate posts. I would consider installing some sort of security camera as well. Could be as simple as a trail cam that is activated by movement. That way you have some evidence to back you up if they come through and bust the gate down or destroy it somehow.","human_ref_B":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2045.0,"score_ratio":3.1900621118} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfd3ao","c_root_id_B":"hhf43kb","created_at_utc_A":1634772654,"created_at_utc_B":1634768573,"score_A":5136,"score_B":2367,"human_ref_A":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like they have zero interest in listening to you\/respecting your requests and have long begun the process of intimidation. I'd stop making contact with them and call an attorney before they retaliate. Could be as petty as pulling you over for nonsense traffic violations but I wouldn't be surprised if it starts happening. Adding a fence with a locked gate may be your only play here outside of an attorney or contact with the other recommended agencies \\*Edit... video recordings never hurt. Getting a game camera to record them trespassing would likely be a smart move","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4081.0,"score_ratio":2.1698352345} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhepht3","c_root_id_B":"hhfd3ao","created_at_utc_A":1634762444,"created_at_utc_B":1634772654,"score_A":960,"score_B":5136,"human_ref_A":"You might try contacting the Institute for Justice. It is a group of attorneys that fight overreach of the government. Cases like these are of special interest to them. You can contact them through their website: ij.org","human_ref_B":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10210.0,"score_ratio":5.35} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfd3ao","c_root_id_B":"hhev3rv","created_at_utc_A":1634772654,"created_at_utc_B":1634764701,"score_A":5136,"score_B":781,"human_ref_A":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","human_ref_B":"You definitely need an attorney. Arguing with the clearly corrupt Sheriff personally is just going to incentivize him to harass you The redditor who suggested the Institute for Justice had a good idea. He's violating your property rights and has violated your free speech rights. You could file for an injunction against the use of your property and sue them for unlawfully taking your property (the missing rocks). Unfortunately, there won't be any negative consequences to any of these corrupt law enforcement officers as a result of this, though you could do what you can to make it widely known before the next election.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7953.0,"score_ratio":6.576184379} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhex0y7","c_root_id_B":"hhfd3ao","created_at_utc_A":1634765501,"created_at_utc_B":1634772654,"score_A":393,"score_B":5136,"human_ref_A":"I would reach out to the council. Ask for restitution for your rocks and for the sheriff to stop trespassing. If they refuse then contact your local ACLU chapter. Even if they won\u2019t take you, they can likely refer you to someone who can.","human_ref_B":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7153.0,"score_ratio":13.0687022901} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfd3ao","c_root_id_B":"hheu259","created_at_utc_A":1634772654,"created_at_utc_B":1634764261,"score_A":5136,"score_B":241,"human_ref_A":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","human_ref_B":"I wouldn't put up any more signs about a speed trap. You could escalate to the County Commissioner. The Oregon State Police may also be worth contacting about a Sheriff breaking the law. The Governor's office may also be a resource.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8393.0,"score_ratio":21.3112033195} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfd3ao","c_root_id_B":"hhfbqt0","created_at_utc_A":1634772654,"created_at_utc_B":1634772024,"score_A":5136,"score_B":941,"human_ref_A":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","human_ref_B":"Flashing your lights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed trap ahead is protected by the first amendment, and I would think that signs on your own property stating such would be similarly protected. There is case law in OR. Police are not entitled to the use of your driveway without your consent, and you had the right idea with the rocks IMO. The escalation by the sheriff and his deputies is concerning, and I think other posters are correct that you've made yourself a target. I vote to lawyer up, submit a FOIA request on any and all communications involving you or your property, and also to take it up with your councilman. In the meantime, record all future interactions.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":630.0,"score_ratio":5.4580233794} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhey2ld","c_root_id_B":"hhfd3ao","created_at_utc_A":1634765949,"created_at_utc_B":1634772654,"score_A":332,"score_B":5136,"human_ref_A":"Fence with a gate if you still want to access availabe there. You don't have to fence the whole property, just put up a bit covering the disputed area. I'd have a hard time believing any judge would deny you compensation and perhaps extra damages if they tore that down considering the history so far. As long as it follows your property line, you should be good. May not prevent them from parking in the right of way, but it will probably dilute the value of this honey hole for them.","human_ref_B":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6705.0,"score_ratio":15.4698795181} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhew1a3","c_root_id_B":"hhfd3ao","created_at_utc_A":1634765084,"created_at_utc_B":1634772654,"score_A":188,"score_B":5136,"human_ref_A":"Well, state will matter here; as well as city\/local jurisdictions but \\*generally\\* those signs would be included as free speech and therefore you are well within your rights to have them on your property. There may be ordinances in the city about \"advertising\" or some other nonsense they may try to pull. Case by case for that. The Sherriff removing them would be a crime and destruction of property. As for the police using your property for speed traps, that is trespassing. However this may not be so cut and dry. There may be an easement for the first part of that property based on how it is surveyed; would be worth checking as that may complicate your issue (My house has an easement in the front for the sidewalk, e.g and if police wanted to sit there with a radar gun I doubt I could do much). Understanding if that is there; how much it is and what use it is designated would all be important. Now your legal options; Sheriff departments get their funding from somewhere; that would be the body you would want to start complaining to. You can potentially sue the Sheriff personally for destroying your signs (he would have to argue that was a part of his job for qualified immunity). Would be an annoyance as you'd only recover the value of the signs but that would send a message. Your state bar association would be able to recommend the best lawyer to help.","human_ref_B":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7570.0,"score_ratio":27.3191489362} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hheu8ci","c_root_id_B":"hhfd3ao","created_at_utc_A":1634764333,"created_at_utc_B":1634772654,"score_A":137,"score_B":5136,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019d also add some No Trespassing Signs to this location. Many states require you to provide notice to those who may be trespassing. Unless there is an easement, no one has the right to be on private property. Easements can be for traffic site lines, utility access, lots of things. So if none of those exist and they continue to use your property they are trespassing. This isn\u2019t my area of expertise, but I feel confident with the fact these cops are BSing you. That\u2019s what they do. Hide behind a convincing statement and a badge.","human_ref_B":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8321.0,"score_ratio":37.4890510949} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfd3ao","c_root_id_B":"hhf1ag2","created_at_utc_A":1634772654,"created_at_utc_B":1634767325,"score_A":5136,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but would it be feasible to just remove the driveway? You said it doesn't really go anywhere, so it isn't a big loss to you.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5329.0,"score_ratio":60.4235294118} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfd3ao","c_root_id_B":"hhfbegb","created_at_utc_A":1634772654,"created_at_utc_B":1634771864,"score_A":5136,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","human_ref_B":"Lodge a complaint with your state's Attorney General. Trying to warn about a speed trap is a mixed bag... * https:\/\/reason.com\/volokh\/2019\/04\/24\/flashing-headlights-to-warn-of-speed-trap-may-be-protected-by-first-amendment\/ * https:\/\/www.law.com\/ctlawtribune\/2020\/10\/05\/dont-interfere-no-free-speech-protection-for-man-who-warned-drivers-about-police-speed-trap\/?slreturn=20210920191423 * https:\/\/www.stltoday.com\/news\/local\/crime-and-courts\/is-flashing-headlights-to-warn-of-a-speed-trap-protected-by-the-first-amendment\/article_a6d677f1-baf3-5347-bf25-503520dca8cf.html","labels":1,"seconds_difference":790.0,"score_ratio":63.4074074074} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfd3ao","c_root_id_B":"hhfayot","created_at_utc_A":1634772654,"created_at_utc_B":1634771659,"score_A":5136,"score_B":68,"human_ref_A":"Per the US Attorney\u2019s office, District of Oregon\u2019s (https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao-or\/citizen-criminal-complaints) complaints about Law Enforcement misconduct should be reported to the FBI office in Portland. You have been threatened with retaliation in the form of arrest for the \u201ccrime\u201d of using your property. That definitely meets the definition.","human_ref_B":"Talk to a lawer and get them to draft up a C&D to send to the sherif.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":995.0,"score_ratio":75.5294117647} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhepht3","c_root_id_B":"hhetka3","created_at_utc_A":1634762444,"created_at_utc_B":1634764063,"score_A":960,"score_B":2703,"human_ref_A":"You might try contacting the Institute for Justice. It is a group of attorneys that fight overreach of the government. Cases like these are of special interest to them. You can contact them through their website: ij.org","human_ref_B":"You might have a case against the county for an uncompensated taking of personal property, which is prohibited under the 5th amendment to the US Constitution. This would apply to both the rocks and the use of your driveway. You could call up both lawyers and ask if they take eminent domain cases. If neither of those attorneys are willing to take the case, you might want to look for real estate attorneys in the nearest large town\/city.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1619.0,"score_ratio":2.815625} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhf8o8d","c_root_id_B":"hhezk20","created_at_utc_A":1634770609,"created_at_utc_B":1634766580,"score_A":1610,"score_B":1480,"human_ref_A":"This isn\u2019t legal advice per se, but the fact that the sheriff personally showed up at your home and chewed you out makes me nervous. That tells me that this is a small county population-wise, and small town cops are often bored and have nothing to do. They might take this as an opportunity to harass you incessantly. For your sake I wouldn\u2019t put the warning signs back up. I wouldn\u2019t engage with the deputies other than asking them politely to leave your property. Make sure your property is correctly posted with no-trespassing signs according to your jurisdiction. Then I\u2019d reach out to a lawyer to figure out how to proceed with getting the cops to stop using your property without permission. They might recommend suing for the value of the rocks they stole, or for damages if the cop cars damaged your property in any way. Or they might draft a letter to the sheriff\u2019s department. Take a lawyer\u2019s advice here. I really wouldn\u2019t recommend interacting with the sheriff or deputies in any way besides through a lawyer. They have every ability to make your life a living hell (even though it\u2019s morally and legally wrong, they won\u2019t give a shit). Small town cops are notorious for this shit. Edit: installing a gate that can lock would be a good next step. Put a private property\/no trespassing sign right on the gate posts. I would consider installing some sort of security camera as well. Could be as simple as a trail cam that is activated by movement. That way you have some evidence to back you up if they come through and bust the gate down or destroy it somehow.","human_ref_B":"If the government wants your land for public purpose they can take it, but they have to compensate you for it. You are probably going to want a lawyer. If the entire sheriff's office is against you they can make life very difficult for you. You want someone in your corner who can advocate for your rights.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4029.0,"score_ratio":1.0878378378} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhezk20","c_root_id_B":"hhf43kb","created_at_utc_A":1634766580,"created_at_utc_B":1634768573,"score_A":1480,"score_B":2367,"human_ref_A":"If the government wants your land for public purpose they can take it, but they have to compensate you for it. You are probably going to want a lawyer. If the entire sheriff's office is against you they can make life very difficult for you. You want someone in your corner who can advocate for your rights.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like they have zero interest in listening to you\/respecting your requests and have long begun the process of intimidation. I'd stop making contact with them and call an attorney before they retaliate. Could be as petty as pulling you over for nonsense traffic violations but I wouldn't be surprised if it starts happening. Adding a fence with a locked gate may be your only play here outside of an attorney or contact with the other recommended agencies \\*Edit... video recordings never hurt. Getting a game camera to record them trespassing would likely be a smart move","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1993.0,"score_ratio":1.5993243243} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhezk20","c_root_id_B":"hhepht3","created_at_utc_A":1634766580,"created_at_utc_B":1634762444,"score_A":1480,"score_B":960,"human_ref_A":"If the government wants your land for public purpose they can take it, but they have to compensate you for it. You are probably going to want a lawyer. If the entire sheriff's office is against you they can make life very difficult for you. You want someone in your corner who can advocate for your rights.","human_ref_B":"You might try contacting the Institute for Justice. It is a group of attorneys that fight overreach of the government. Cases like these are of special interest to them. You can contact them through their website: ij.org","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4136.0,"score_ratio":1.5416666667} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhezk20","c_root_id_B":"hhev3rv","created_at_utc_A":1634766580,"created_at_utc_B":1634764701,"score_A":1480,"score_B":781,"human_ref_A":"If the government wants your land for public purpose they can take it, but they have to compensate you for it. You are probably going to want a lawyer. If the entire sheriff's office is against you they can make life very difficult for you. You want someone in your corner who can advocate for your rights.","human_ref_B":"You definitely need an attorney. Arguing with the clearly corrupt Sheriff personally is just going to incentivize him to harass you The redditor who suggested the Institute for Justice had a good idea. He's violating your property rights and has violated your free speech rights. You could file for an injunction against the use of your property and sue them for unlawfully taking your property (the missing rocks). Unfortunately, there won't be any negative consequences to any of these corrupt law enforcement officers as a result of this, though you could do what you can to make it widely known before the next election.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1879.0,"score_ratio":1.895006402} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhezk20","c_root_id_B":"hhex0y7","created_at_utc_A":1634766580,"created_at_utc_B":1634765501,"score_A":1480,"score_B":393,"human_ref_A":"If the government wants your land for public purpose they can take it, but they have to compensate you for it. You are probably going to want a lawyer. If the entire sheriff's office is against you they can make life very difficult for you. You want someone in your corner who can advocate for your rights.","human_ref_B":"I would reach out to the council. Ask for restitution for your rocks and for the sheriff to stop trespassing. If they refuse then contact your local ACLU chapter. Even if they won\u2019t take you, they can likely refer you to someone who can.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1079.0,"score_ratio":3.7659033079} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hheu259","c_root_id_B":"hhezk20","created_at_utc_A":1634764261,"created_at_utc_B":1634766580,"score_A":241,"score_B":1480,"human_ref_A":"I wouldn't put up any more signs about a speed trap. You could escalate to the County Commissioner. The Oregon State Police may also be worth contacting about a Sheriff breaking the law. The Governor's office may also be a resource.","human_ref_B":"If the government wants your land for public purpose they can take it, but they have to compensate you for it. You are probably going to want a lawyer. If the entire sheriff's office is against you they can make life very difficult for you. You want someone in your corner who can advocate for your rights.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2319.0,"score_ratio":6.1410788382} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhezk20","c_root_id_B":"hhey2ld","created_at_utc_A":1634766580,"created_at_utc_B":1634765949,"score_A":1480,"score_B":332,"human_ref_A":"If the government wants your land for public purpose they can take it, but they have to compensate you for it. You are probably going to want a lawyer. If the entire sheriff's office is against you they can make life very difficult for you. You want someone in your corner who can advocate for your rights.","human_ref_B":"Fence with a gate if you still want to access availabe there. You don't have to fence the whole property, just put up a bit covering the disputed area. I'd have a hard time believing any judge would deny you compensation and perhaps extra damages if they tore that down considering the history so far. As long as it follows your property line, you should be good. May not prevent them from parking in the right of way, but it will probably dilute the value of this honey hole for them.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":631.0,"score_ratio":4.4578313253} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhezk20","c_root_id_B":"hhew1a3","created_at_utc_A":1634766580,"created_at_utc_B":1634765084,"score_A":1480,"score_B":188,"human_ref_A":"If the government wants your land for public purpose they can take it, but they have to compensate you for it. You are probably going to want a lawyer. If the entire sheriff's office is against you they can make life very difficult for you. You want someone in your corner who can advocate for your rights.","human_ref_B":"Well, state will matter here; as well as city\/local jurisdictions but \\*generally\\* those signs would be included as free speech and therefore you are well within your rights to have them on your property. There may be ordinances in the city about \"advertising\" or some other nonsense they may try to pull. Case by case for that. The Sherriff removing them would be a crime and destruction of property. As for the police using your property for speed traps, that is trespassing. However this may not be so cut and dry. There may be an easement for the first part of that property based on how it is surveyed; would be worth checking as that may complicate your issue (My house has an easement in the front for the sidewalk, e.g and if police wanted to sit there with a radar gun I doubt I could do much). Understanding if that is there; how much it is and what use it is designated would all be important. Now your legal options; Sheriff departments get their funding from somewhere; that would be the body you would want to start complaining to. You can potentially sue the Sheriff personally for destroying your signs (he would have to argue that was a part of his job for qualified immunity). Would be an annoyance as you'd only recover the value of the signs but that would send a message. Your state bar association would be able to recommend the best lawyer to help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1496.0,"score_ratio":7.8723404255} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhezk20","c_root_id_B":"hheu8ci","created_at_utc_A":1634766580,"created_at_utc_B":1634764333,"score_A":1480,"score_B":137,"human_ref_A":"If the government wants your land for public purpose they can take it, but they have to compensate you for it. You are probably going to want a lawyer. If the entire sheriff's office is against you they can make life very difficult for you. You want someone in your corner who can advocate for your rights.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019d also add some No Trespassing Signs to this location. Many states require you to provide notice to those who may be trespassing. Unless there is an easement, no one has the right to be on private property. Easements can be for traffic site lines, utility access, lots of things. So if none of those exist and they continue to use your property they are trespassing. This isn\u2019t my area of expertise, but I feel confident with the fact these cops are BSing you. That\u2019s what they do. Hide behind a convincing statement and a badge.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2247.0,"score_ratio":10.802919708} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhf8o8d","c_root_id_B":"hhepht3","created_at_utc_A":1634770609,"created_at_utc_B":1634762444,"score_A":1610,"score_B":960,"human_ref_A":"This isn\u2019t legal advice per se, but the fact that the sheriff personally showed up at your home and chewed you out makes me nervous. That tells me that this is a small county population-wise, and small town cops are often bored and have nothing to do. They might take this as an opportunity to harass you incessantly. For your sake I wouldn\u2019t put the warning signs back up. I wouldn\u2019t engage with the deputies other than asking them politely to leave your property. Make sure your property is correctly posted with no-trespassing signs according to your jurisdiction. Then I\u2019d reach out to a lawyer to figure out how to proceed with getting the cops to stop using your property without permission. They might recommend suing for the value of the rocks they stole, or for damages if the cop cars damaged your property in any way. Or they might draft a letter to the sheriff\u2019s department. Take a lawyer\u2019s advice here. I really wouldn\u2019t recommend interacting with the sheriff or deputies in any way besides through a lawyer. They have every ability to make your life a living hell (even though it\u2019s morally and legally wrong, they won\u2019t give a shit). Small town cops are notorious for this shit. Edit: installing a gate that can lock would be a good next step. Put a private property\/no trespassing sign right on the gate posts. I would consider installing some sort of security camera as well. Could be as simple as a trail cam that is activated by movement. That way you have some evidence to back you up if they come through and bust the gate down or destroy it somehow.","human_ref_B":"You might try contacting the Institute for Justice. It is a group of attorneys that fight overreach of the government. Cases like these are of special interest to them. You can contact them through their website: ij.org","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8165.0,"score_ratio":1.6770833333} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhf8o8d","c_root_id_B":"hhev3rv","created_at_utc_A":1634770609,"created_at_utc_B":1634764701,"score_A":1610,"score_B":781,"human_ref_A":"This isn\u2019t legal advice per se, but the fact that the sheriff personally showed up at your home and chewed you out makes me nervous. That tells me that this is a small county population-wise, and small town cops are often bored and have nothing to do. They might take this as an opportunity to harass you incessantly. For your sake I wouldn\u2019t put the warning signs back up. I wouldn\u2019t engage with the deputies other than asking them politely to leave your property. Make sure your property is correctly posted with no-trespassing signs according to your jurisdiction. Then I\u2019d reach out to a lawyer to figure out how to proceed with getting the cops to stop using your property without permission. They might recommend suing for the value of the rocks they stole, or for damages if the cop cars damaged your property in any way. Or they might draft a letter to the sheriff\u2019s department. Take a lawyer\u2019s advice here. I really wouldn\u2019t recommend interacting with the sheriff or deputies in any way besides through a lawyer. They have every ability to make your life a living hell (even though it\u2019s morally and legally wrong, they won\u2019t give a shit). Small town cops are notorious for this shit. Edit: installing a gate that can lock would be a good next step. Put a private property\/no trespassing sign right on the gate posts. I would consider installing some sort of security camera as well. Could be as simple as a trail cam that is activated by movement. That way you have some evidence to back you up if they come through and bust the gate down or destroy it somehow.","human_ref_B":"You definitely need an attorney. Arguing with the clearly corrupt Sheriff personally is just going to incentivize him to harass you The redditor who suggested the Institute for Justice had a good idea. He's violating your property rights and has violated your free speech rights. You could file for an injunction against the use of your property and sue them for unlawfully taking your property (the missing rocks). Unfortunately, there won't be any negative consequences to any of these corrupt law enforcement officers as a result of this, though you could do what you can to make it widely known before the next election.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5908.0,"score_ratio":2.0614596671} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhf8o8d","c_root_id_B":"hhex0y7","created_at_utc_A":1634770609,"created_at_utc_B":1634765501,"score_A":1610,"score_B":393,"human_ref_A":"This isn\u2019t legal advice per se, but the fact that the sheriff personally showed up at your home and chewed you out makes me nervous. That tells me that this is a small county population-wise, and small town cops are often bored and have nothing to do. They might take this as an opportunity to harass you incessantly. For your sake I wouldn\u2019t put the warning signs back up. I wouldn\u2019t engage with the deputies other than asking them politely to leave your property. Make sure your property is correctly posted with no-trespassing signs according to your jurisdiction. Then I\u2019d reach out to a lawyer to figure out how to proceed with getting the cops to stop using your property without permission. They might recommend suing for the value of the rocks they stole, or for damages if the cop cars damaged your property in any way. Or they might draft a letter to the sheriff\u2019s department. Take a lawyer\u2019s advice here. I really wouldn\u2019t recommend interacting with the sheriff or deputies in any way besides through a lawyer. They have every ability to make your life a living hell (even though it\u2019s morally and legally wrong, they won\u2019t give a shit). Small town cops are notorious for this shit. Edit: installing a gate that can lock would be a good next step. Put a private property\/no trespassing sign right on the gate posts. I would consider installing some sort of security camera as well. Could be as simple as a trail cam that is activated by movement. That way you have some evidence to back you up if they come through and bust the gate down or destroy it somehow.","human_ref_B":"I would reach out to the council. Ask for restitution for your rocks and for the sheriff to stop trespassing. If they refuse then contact your local ACLU chapter. Even if they won\u2019t take you, they can likely refer you to someone who can.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5108.0,"score_ratio":4.096692112} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhf8o8d","c_root_id_B":"hheu259","created_at_utc_A":1634770609,"created_at_utc_B":1634764261,"score_A":1610,"score_B":241,"human_ref_A":"This isn\u2019t legal advice per se, but the fact that the sheriff personally showed up at your home and chewed you out makes me nervous. That tells me that this is a small county population-wise, and small town cops are often bored and have nothing to do. They might take this as an opportunity to harass you incessantly. For your sake I wouldn\u2019t put the warning signs back up. I wouldn\u2019t engage with the deputies other than asking them politely to leave your property. Make sure your property is correctly posted with no-trespassing signs according to your jurisdiction. Then I\u2019d reach out to a lawyer to figure out how to proceed with getting the cops to stop using your property without permission. They might recommend suing for the value of the rocks they stole, or for damages if the cop cars damaged your property in any way. Or they might draft a letter to the sheriff\u2019s department. Take a lawyer\u2019s advice here. I really wouldn\u2019t recommend interacting with the sheriff or deputies in any way besides through a lawyer. They have every ability to make your life a living hell (even though it\u2019s morally and legally wrong, they won\u2019t give a shit). Small town cops are notorious for this shit. Edit: installing a gate that can lock would be a good next step. Put a private property\/no trespassing sign right on the gate posts. I would consider installing some sort of security camera as well. Could be as simple as a trail cam that is activated by movement. That way you have some evidence to back you up if they come through and bust the gate down or destroy it somehow.","human_ref_B":"I wouldn't put up any more signs about a speed trap. You could escalate to the County Commissioner. The Oregon State Police may also be worth contacting about a Sheriff breaking the law. The Governor's office may also be a resource.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6348.0,"score_ratio":6.6804979253} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhey2ld","c_root_id_B":"hhf8o8d","created_at_utc_A":1634765949,"created_at_utc_B":1634770609,"score_A":332,"score_B":1610,"human_ref_A":"Fence with a gate if you still want to access availabe there. You don't have to fence the whole property, just put up a bit covering the disputed area. I'd have a hard time believing any judge would deny you compensation and perhaps extra damages if they tore that down considering the history so far. As long as it follows your property line, you should be good. May not prevent them from parking in the right of way, but it will probably dilute the value of this honey hole for them.","human_ref_B":"This isn\u2019t legal advice per se, but the fact that the sheriff personally showed up at your home and chewed you out makes me nervous. That tells me that this is a small county population-wise, and small town cops are often bored and have nothing to do. They might take this as an opportunity to harass you incessantly. For your sake I wouldn\u2019t put the warning signs back up. I wouldn\u2019t engage with the deputies other than asking them politely to leave your property. Make sure your property is correctly posted with no-trespassing signs according to your jurisdiction. Then I\u2019d reach out to a lawyer to figure out how to proceed with getting the cops to stop using your property without permission. They might recommend suing for the value of the rocks they stole, or for damages if the cop cars damaged your property in any way. Or they might draft a letter to the sheriff\u2019s department. Take a lawyer\u2019s advice here. I really wouldn\u2019t recommend interacting with the sheriff or deputies in any way besides through a lawyer. They have every ability to make your life a living hell (even though it\u2019s morally and legally wrong, they won\u2019t give a shit). Small town cops are notorious for this shit. Edit: installing a gate that can lock would be a good next step. Put a private property\/no trespassing sign right on the gate posts. I would consider installing some sort of security camera as well. Could be as simple as a trail cam that is activated by movement. That way you have some evidence to back you up if they come through and bust the gate down or destroy it somehow.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4660.0,"score_ratio":4.8493975904} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhew1a3","c_root_id_B":"hhf8o8d","created_at_utc_A":1634765084,"created_at_utc_B":1634770609,"score_A":188,"score_B":1610,"human_ref_A":"Well, state will matter here; as well as city\/local jurisdictions but \\*generally\\* those signs would be included as free speech and therefore you are well within your rights to have them on your property. There may be ordinances in the city about \"advertising\" or some other nonsense they may try to pull. Case by case for that. The Sherriff removing them would be a crime and destruction of property. As for the police using your property for speed traps, that is trespassing. However this may not be so cut and dry. There may be an easement for the first part of that property based on how it is surveyed; would be worth checking as that may complicate your issue (My house has an easement in the front for the sidewalk, e.g and if police wanted to sit there with a radar gun I doubt I could do much). Understanding if that is there; how much it is and what use it is designated would all be important. Now your legal options; Sheriff departments get their funding from somewhere; that would be the body you would want to start complaining to. You can potentially sue the Sheriff personally for destroying your signs (he would have to argue that was a part of his job for qualified immunity). Would be an annoyance as you'd only recover the value of the signs but that would send a message. Your state bar association would be able to recommend the best lawyer to help.","human_ref_B":"This isn\u2019t legal advice per se, but the fact that the sheriff personally showed up at your home and chewed you out makes me nervous. That tells me that this is a small county population-wise, and small town cops are often bored and have nothing to do. They might take this as an opportunity to harass you incessantly. For your sake I wouldn\u2019t put the warning signs back up. I wouldn\u2019t engage with the deputies other than asking them politely to leave your property. Make sure your property is correctly posted with no-trespassing signs according to your jurisdiction. Then I\u2019d reach out to a lawyer to figure out how to proceed with getting the cops to stop using your property without permission. They might recommend suing for the value of the rocks they stole, or for damages if the cop cars damaged your property in any way. Or they might draft a letter to the sheriff\u2019s department. Take a lawyer\u2019s advice here. I really wouldn\u2019t recommend interacting with the sheriff or deputies in any way besides through a lawyer. They have every ability to make your life a living hell (even though it\u2019s morally and legally wrong, they won\u2019t give a shit). Small town cops are notorious for this shit. Edit: installing a gate that can lock would be a good next step. Put a private property\/no trespassing sign right on the gate posts. I would consider installing some sort of security camera as well. Could be as simple as a trail cam that is activated by movement. That way you have some evidence to back you up if they come through and bust the gate down or destroy it somehow.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5525.0,"score_ratio":8.5638297872} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hheu8ci","c_root_id_B":"hhf8o8d","created_at_utc_A":1634764333,"created_at_utc_B":1634770609,"score_A":137,"score_B":1610,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019d also add some No Trespassing Signs to this location. Many states require you to provide notice to those who may be trespassing. Unless there is an easement, no one has the right to be on private property. Easements can be for traffic site lines, utility access, lots of things. So if none of those exist and they continue to use your property they are trespassing. This isn\u2019t my area of expertise, but I feel confident with the fact these cops are BSing you. That\u2019s what they do. Hide behind a convincing statement and a badge.","human_ref_B":"This isn\u2019t legal advice per se, but the fact that the sheriff personally showed up at your home and chewed you out makes me nervous. That tells me that this is a small county population-wise, and small town cops are often bored and have nothing to do. They might take this as an opportunity to harass you incessantly. For your sake I wouldn\u2019t put the warning signs back up. I wouldn\u2019t engage with the deputies other than asking them politely to leave your property. Make sure your property is correctly posted with no-trespassing signs according to your jurisdiction. Then I\u2019d reach out to a lawyer to figure out how to proceed with getting the cops to stop using your property without permission. They might recommend suing for the value of the rocks they stole, or for damages if the cop cars damaged your property in any way. Or they might draft a letter to the sheriff\u2019s department. Take a lawyer\u2019s advice here. I really wouldn\u2019t recommend interacting with the sheriff or deputies in any way besides through a lawyer. They have every ability to make your life a living hell (even though it\u2019s morally and legally wrong, they won\u2019t give a shit). Small town cops are notorious for this shit. Edit: installing a gate that can lock would be a good next step. Put a private property\/no trespassing sign right on the gate posts. I would consider installing some sort of security camera as well. Could be as simple as a trail cam that is activated by movement. That way you have some evidence to back you up if they come through and bust the gate down or destroy it somehow.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6276.0,"score_ratio":11.7518248175} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhf8o8d","c_root_id_B":"hhf1ag2","created_at_utc_A":1634770609,"created_at_utc_B":1634767325,"score_A":1610,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"This isn\u2019t legal advice per se, but the fact that the sheriff personally showed up at your home and chewed you out makes me nervous. That tells me that this is a small county population-wise, and small town cops are often bored and have nothing to do. They might take this as an opportunity to harass you incessantly. For your sake I wouldn\u2019t put the warning signs back up. I wouldn\u2019t engage with the deputies other than asking them politely to leave your property. Make sure your property is correctly posted with no-trespassing signs according to your jurisdiction. Then I\u2019d reach out to a lawyer to figure out how to proceed with getting the cops to stop using your property without permission. They might recommend suing for the value of the rocks they stole, or for damages if the cop cars damaged your property in any way. Or they might draft a letter to the sheriff\u2019s department. Take a lawyer\u2019s advice here. I really wouldn\u2019t recommend interacting with the sheriff or deputies in any way besides through a lawyer. They have every ability to make your life a living hell (even though it\u2019s morally and legally wrong, they won\u2019t give a shit). Small town cops are notorious for this shit. Edit: installing a gate that can lock would be a good next step. Put a private property\/no trespassing sign right on the gate posts. I would consider installing some sort of security camera as well. Could be as simple as a trail cam that is activated by movement. That way you have some evidence to back you up if they come through and bust the gate down or destroy it somehow.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but would it be feasible to just remove the driveway? You said it doesn't really go anywhere, so it isn't a big loss to you.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3284.0,"score_ratio":18.9411764706} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhepht3","c_root_id_B":"hhf43kb","created_at_utc_A":1634762444,"created_at_utc_B":1634768573,"score_A":960,"score_B":2367,"human_ref_A":"You might try contacting the Institute for Justice. It is a group of attorneys that fight overreach of the government. Cases like these are of special interest to them. You can contact them through their website: ij.org","human_ref_B":"Sounds like they have zero interest in listening to you\/respecting your requests and have long begun the process of intimidation. I'd stop making contact with them and call an attorney before they retaliate. Could be as petty as pulling you over for nonsense traffic violations but I wouldn't be surprised if it starts happening. Adding a fence with a locked gate may be your only play here outside of an attorney or contact with the other recommended agencies \\*Edit... video recordings never hurt. Getting a game camera to record them trespassing would likely be a smart move","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6129.0,"score_ratio":2.465625} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhf43kb","c_root_id_B":"hhev3rv","created_at_utc_A":1634768573,"created_at_utc_B":1634764701,"score_A":2367,"score_B":781,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like they have zero interest in listening to you\/respecting your requests and have long begun the process of intimidation. I'd stop making contact with them and call an attorney before they retaliate. Could be as petty as pulling you over for nonsense traffic violations but I wouldn't be surprised if it starts happening. Adding a fence with a locked gate may be your only play here outside of an attorney or contact with the other recommended agencies \\*Edit... video recordings never hurt. Getting a game camera to record them trespassing would likely be a smart move","human_ref_B":"You definitely need an attorney. Arguing with the clearly corrupt Sheriff personally is just going to incentivize him to harass you The redditor who suggested the Institute for Justice had a good idea. He's violating your property rights and has violated your free speech rights. You could file for an injunction against the use of your property and sue them for unlawfully taking your property (the missing rocks). Unfortunately, there won't be any negative consequences to any of these corrupt law enforcement officers as a result of this, though you could do what you can to make it widely known before the next election.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3872.0,"score_ratio":3.0307298335} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhf43kb","c_root_id_B":"hhex0y7","created_at_utc_A":1634768573,"created_at_utc_B":1634765501,"score_A":2367,"score_B":393,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like they have zero interest in listening to you\/respecting your requests and have long begun the process of intimidation. I'd stop making contact with them and call an attorney before they retaliate. Could be as petty as pulling you over for nonsense traffic violations but I wouldn't be surprised if it starts happening. Adding a fence with a locked gate may be your only play here outside of an attorney or contact with the other recommended agencies \\*Edit... video recordings never hurt. Getting a game camera to record them trespassing would likely be a smart move","human_ref_B":"I would reach out to the council. Ask for restitution for your rocks and for the sheriff to stop trespassing. If they refuse then contact your local ACLU chapter. Even if they won\u2019t take you, they can likely refer you to someone who can.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3072.0,"score_ratio":6.0229007634} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hheu259","c_root_id_B":"hhf43kb","created_at_utc_A":1634764261,"created_at_utc_B":1634768573,"score_A":241,"score_B":2367,"human_ref_A":"I wouldn't put up any more signs about a speed trap. You could escalate to the County Commissioner. The Oregon State Police may also be worth contacting about a Sheriff breaking the law. The Governor's office may also be a resource.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like they have zero interest in listening to you\/respecting your requests and have long begun the process of intimidation. I'd stop making contact with them and call an attorney before they retaliate. Could be as petty as pulling you over for nonsense traffic violations but I wouldn't be surprised if it starts happening. Adding a fence with a locked gate may be your only play here outside of an attorney or contact with the other recommended agencies \\*Edit... video recordings never hurt. Getting a game camera to record them trespassing would likely be a smart move","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4312.0,"score_ratio":9.8215767635} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhey2ld","c_root_id_B":"hhf43kb","created_at_utc_A":1634765949,"created_at_utc_B":1634768573,"score_A":332,"score_B":2367,"human_ref_A":"Fence with a gate if you still want to access availabe there. You don't have to fence the whole property, just put up a bit covering the disputed area. I'd have a hard time believing any judge would deny you compensation and perhaps extra damages if they tore that down considering the history so far. As long as it follows your property line, you should be good. May not prevent them from parking in the right of way, but it will probably dilute the value of this honey hole for them.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like they have zero interest in listening to you\/respecting your requests and have long begun the process of intimidation. I'd stop making contact with them and call an attorney before they retaliate. Could be as petty as pulling you over for nonsense traffic violations but I wouldn't be surprised if it starts happening. Adding a fence with a locked gate may be your only play here outside of an attorney or contact with the other recommended agencies \\*Edit... video recordings never hurt. Getting a game camera to record them trespassing would likely be a smart move","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2624.0,"score_ratio":7.1295180723} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhew1a3","c_root_id_B":"hhf43kb","created_at_utc_A":1634765084,"created_at_utc_B":1634768573,"score_A":188,"score_B":2367,"human_ref_A":"Well, state will matter here; as well as city\/local jurisdictions but \\*generally\\* those signs would be included as free speech and therefore you are well within your rights to have them on your property. There may be ordinances in the city about \"advertising\" or some other nonsense they may try to pull. Case by case for that. The Sherriff removing them would be a crime and destruction of property. As for the police using your property for speed traps, that is trespassing. However this may not be so cut and dry. There may be an easement for the first part of that property based on how it is surveyed; would be worth checking as that may complicate your issue (My house has an easement in the front for the sidewalk, e.g and if police wanted to sit there with a radar gun I doubt I could do much). Understanding if that is there; how much it is and what use it is designated would all be important. Now your legal options; Sheriff departments get their funding from somewhere; that would be the body you would want to start complaining to. You can potentially sue the Sheriff personally for destroying your signs (he would have to argue that was a part of his job for qualified immunity). Would be an annoyance as you'd only recover the value of the signs but that would send a message. Your state bar association would be able to recommend the best lawyer to help.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like they have zero interest in listening to you\/respecting your requests and have long begun the process of intimidation. I'd stop making contact with them and call an attorney before they retaliate. Could be as petty as pulling you over for nonsense traffic violations but I wouldn't be surprised if it starts happening. Adding a fence with a locked gate may be your only play here outside of an attorney or contact with the other recommended agencies \\*Edit... video recordings never hurt. Getting a game camera to record them trespassing would likely be a smart move","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3489.0,"score_ratio":12.5904255319} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hheu8ci","c_root_id_B":"hhf43kb","created_at_utc_A":1634764333,"created_at_utc_B":1634768573,"score_A":137,"score_B":2367,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019d also add some No Trespassing Signs to this location. Many states require you to provide notice to those who may be trespassing. Unless there is an easement, no one has the right to be on private property. Easements can be for traffic site lines, utility access, lots of things. So if none of those exist and they continue to use your property they are trespassing. This isn\u2019t my area of expertise, but I feel confident with the fact these cops are BSing you. That\u2019s what they do. Hide behind a convincing statement and a badge.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like they have zero interest in listening to you\/respecting your requests and have long begun the process of intimidation. I'd stop making contact with them and call an attorney before they retaliate. Could be as petty as pulling you over for nonsense traffic violations but I wouldn't be surprised if it starts happening. Adding a fence with a locked gate may be your only play here outside of an attorney or contact with the other recommended agencies \\*Edit... video recordings never hurt. Getting a game camera to record them trespassing would likely be a smart move","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4240.0,"score_ratio":17.2773722628} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhf43kb","c_root_id_B":"hhf1ag2","created_at_utc_A":1634768573,"created_at_utc_B":1634767325,"score_A":2367,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like they have zero interest in listening to you\/respecting your requests and have long begun the process of intimidation. I'd stop making contact with them and call an attorney before they retaliate. Could be as petty as pulling you over for nonsense traffic violations but I wouldn't be surprised if it starts happening. Adding a fence with a locked gate may be your only play here outside of an attorney or contact with the other recommended agencies \\*Edit... video recordings never hurt. Getting a game camera to record them trespassing would likely be a smart move","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but would it be feasible to just remove the driveway? You said it doesn't really go anywhere, so it isn't a big loss to you.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1248.0,"score_ratio":27.8470588235} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhev3rv","c_root_id_B":"hheu259","created_at_utc_A":1634764701,"created_at_utc_B":1634764261,"score_A":781,"score_B":241,"human_ref_A":"You definitely need an attorney. Arguing with the clearly corrupt Sheriff personally is just going to incentivize him to harass you The redditor who suggested the Institute for Justice had a good idea. He's violating your property rights and has violated your free speech rights. You could file for an injunction against the use of your property and sue them for unlawfully taking your property (the missing rocks). Unfortunately, there won't be any negative consequences to any of these corrupt law enforcement officers as a result of this, though you could do what you can to make it widely known before the next election.","human_ref_B":"I wouldn't put up any more signs about a speed trap. You could escalate to the County Commissioner. The Oregon State Police may also be worth contacting about a Sheriff breaking the law. The Governor's office may also be a resource.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":440.0,"score_ratio":3.2406639004} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhev3rv","c_root_id_B":"hhfbqt0","created_at_utc_A":1634764701,"created_at_utc_B":1634772024,"score_A":781,"score_B":941,"human_ref_A":"You definitely need an attorney. Arguing with the clearly corrupt Sheriff personally is just going to incentivize him to harass you The redditor who suggested the Institute for Justice had a good idea. He's violating your property rights and has violated your free speech rights. You could file for an injunction against the use of your property and sue them for unlawfully taking your property (the missing rocks). Unfortunately, there won't be any negative consequences to any of these corrupt law enforcement officers as a result of this, though you could do what you can to make it widely known before the next election.","human_ref_B":"Flashing your lights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed trap ahead is protected by the first amendment, and I would think that signs on your own property stating such would be similarly protected. There is case law in OR. Police are not entitled to the use of your driveway without your consent, and you had the right idea with the rocks IMO. The escalation by the sheriff and his deputies is concerning, and I think other posters are correct that you've made yourself a target. I vote to lawyer up, submit a FOIA request on any and all communications involving you or your property, and also to take it up with your councilman. In the meantime, record all future interactions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7323.0,"score_ratio":1.204865557} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhev3rv","c_root_id_B":"hheu8ci","created_at_utc_A":1634764701,"created_at_utc_B":1634764333,"score_A":781,"score_B":137,"human_ref_A":"You definitely need an attorney. Arguing with the clearly corrupt Sheriff personally is just going to incentivize him to harass you The redditor who suggested the Institute for Justice had a good idea. He's violating your property rights and has violated your free speech rights. You could file for an injunction against the use of your property and sue them for unlawfully taking your property (the missing rocks). Unfortunately, there won't be any negative consequences to any of these corrupt law enforcement officers as a result of this, though you could do what you can to make it widely known before the next election.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019d also add some No Trespassing Signs to this location. Many states require you to provide notice to those who may be trespassing. Unless there is an easement, no one has the right to be on private property. Easements can be for traffic site lines, utility access, lots of things. So if none of those exist and they continue to use your property they are trespassing. This isn\u2019t my area of expertise, but I feel confident with the fact these cops are BSing you. That\u2019s what they do. Hide behind a convincing statement and a badge.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":368.0,"score_ratio":5.700729927} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hheu259","c_root_id_B":"hhex0y7","created_at_utc_A":1634764261,"created_at_utc_B":1634765501,"score_A":241,"score_B":393,"human_ref_A":"I wouldn't put up any more signs about a speed trap. You could escalate to the County Commissioner. The Oregon State Police may also be worth contacting about a Sheriff breaking the law. The Governor's office may also be a resource.","human_ref_B":"I would reach out to the council. Ask for restitution for your rocks and for the sheriff to stop trespassing. If they refuse then contact your local ACLU chapter. Even if they won\u2019t take you, they can likely refer you to someone who can.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1240.0,"score_ratio":1.6307053942} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhex0y7","c_root_id_B":"hhfbqt0","created_at_utc_A":1634765501,"created_at_utc_B":1634772024,"score_A":393,"score_B":941,"human_ref_A":"I would reach out to the council. Ask for restitution for your rocks and for the sheriff to stop trespassing. If they refuse then contact your local ACLU chapter. Even if they won\u2019t take you, they can likely refer you to someone who can.","human_ref_B":"Flashing your lights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed trap ahead is protected by the first amendment, and I would think that signs on your own property stating such would be similarly protected. There is case law in OR. Police are not entitled to the use of your driveway without your consent, and you had the right idea with the rocks IMO. The escalation by the sheriff and his deputies is concerning, and I think other posters are correct that you've made yourself a target. I vote to lawyer up, submit a FOIA request on any and all communications involving you or your property, and also to take it up with your councilman. In the meantime, record all future interactions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6523.0,"score_ratio":2.3944020356} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhex0y7","c_root_id_B":"hhew1a3","created_at_utc_A":1634765501,"created_at_utc_B":1634765084,"score_A":393,"score_B":188,"human_ref_A":"I would reach out to the council. Ask for restitution for your rocks and for the sheriff to stop trespassing. If they refuse then contact your local ACLU chapter. Even if they won\u2019t take you, they can likely refer you to someone who can.","human_ref_B":"Well, state will matter here; as well as city\/local jurisdictions but \\*generally\\* those signs would be included as free speech and therefore you are well within your rights to have them on your property. There may be ordinances in the city about \"advertising\" or some other nonsense they may try to pull. Case by case for that. The Sherriff removing them would be a crime and destruction of property. As for the police using your property for speed traps, that is trespassing. However this may not be so cut and dry. There may be an easement for the first part of that property based on how it is surveyed; would be worth checking as that may complicate your issue (My house has an easement in the front for the sidewalk, e.g and if police wanted to sit there with a radar gun I doubt I could do much). Understanding if that is there; how much it is and what use it is designated would all be important. Now your legal options; Sheriff departments get their funding from somewhere; that would be the body you would want to start complaining to. You can potentially sue the Sheriff personally for destroying your signs (he would have to argue that was a part of his job for qualified immunity). Would be an annoyance as you'd only recover the value of the signs but that would send a message. Your state bar association would be able to recommend the best lawyer to help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":417.0,"score_ratio":2.0904255319} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhex0y7","c_root_id_B":"hheu8ci","created_at_utc_A":1634765501,"created_at_utc_B":1634764333,"score_A":393,"score_B":137,"human_ref_A":"I would reach out to the council. Ask for restitution for your rocks and for the sheriff to stop trespassing. If they refuse then contact your local ACLU chapter. Even if they won\u2019t take you, they can likely refer you to someone who can.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019d also add some No Trespassing Signs to this location. Many states require you to provide notice to those who may be trespassing. Unless there is an easement, no one has the right to be on private property. Easements can be for traffic site lines, utility access, lots of things. So if none of those exist and they continue to use your property they are trespassing. This isn\u2019t my area of expertise, but I feel confident with the fact these cops are BSing you. That\u2019s what they do. Hide behind a convincing statement and a badge.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1168.0,"score_ratio":2.8686131387} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hheu259","c_root_id_B":"hhfbqt0","created_at_utc_A":1634764261,"created_at_utc_B":1634772024,"score_A":241,"score_B":941,"human_ref_A":"I wouldn't put up any more signs about a speed trap. You could escalate to the County Commissioner. The Oregon State Police may also be worth contacting about a Sheriff breaking the law. The Governor's office may also be a resource.","human_ref_B":"Flashing your lights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed trap ahead is protected by the first amendment, and I would think that signs on your own property stating such would be similarly protected. There is case law in OR. Police are not entitled to the use of your driveway without your consent, and you had the right idea with the rocks IMO. The escalation by the sheriff and his deputies is concerning, and I think other posters are correct that you've made yourself a target. I vote to lawyer up, submit a FOIA request on any and all communications involving you or your property, and also to take it up with your councilman. In the meantime, record all future interactions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7763.0,"score_ratio":3.9045643154} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhey2ld","c_root_id_B":"hheu259","created_at_utc_A":1634765949,"created_at_utc_B":1634764261,"score_A":332,"score_B":241,"human_ref_A":"Fence with a gate if you still want to access availabe there. You don't have to fence the whole property, just put up a bit covering the disputed area. I'd have a hard time believing any judge would deny you compensation and perhaps extra damages if they tore that down considering the history so far. As long as it follows your property line, you should be good. May not prevent them from parking in the right of way, but it will probably dilute the value of this honey hole for them.","human_ref_B":"I wouldn't put up any more signs about a speed trap. You could escalate to the County Commissioner. The Oregon State Police may also be worth contacting about a Sheriff breaking the law. The Governor's office may also be a resource.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1688.0,"score_ratio":1.377593361} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhey2ld","c_root_id_B":"hhfbqt0","created_at_utc_A":1634765949,"created_at_utc_B":1634772024,"score_A":332,"score_B":941,"human_ref_A":"Fence with a gate if you still want to access availabe there. You don't have to fence the whole property, just put up a bit covering the disputed area. I'd have a hard time believing any judge would deny you compensation and perhaps extra damages if they tore that down considering the history so far. As long as it follows your property line, you should be good. May not prevent them from parking in the right of way, but it will probably dilute the value of this honey hole for them.","human_ref_B":"Flashing your lights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed trap ahead is protected by the first amendment, and I would think that signs on your own property stating such would be similarly protected. There is case law in OR. Police are not entitled to the use of your driveway without your consent, and you had the right idea with the rocks IMO. The escalation by the sheriff and his deputies is concerning, and I think other posters are correct that you've made yourself a target. I vote to lawyer up, submit a FOIA request on any and all communications involving you or your property, and also to take it up with your councilman. In the meantime, record all future interactions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6075.0,"score_ratio":2.8343373494} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfbqt0","c_root_id_B":"hhew1a3","created_at_utc_A":1634772024,"created_at_utc_B":1634765084,"score_A":941,"score_B":188,"human_ref_A":"Flashing your lights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed trap ahead is protected by the first amendment, and I would think that signs on your own property stating such would be similarly protected. There is case law in OR. Police are not entitled to the use of your driveway without your consent, and you had the right idea with the rocks IMO. The escalation by the sheriff and his deputies is concerning, and I think other posters are correct that you've made yourself a target. I vote to lawyer up, submit a FOIA request on any and all communications involving you or your property, and also to take it up with your councilman. In the meantime, record all future interactions.","human_ref_B":"Well, state will matter here; as well as city\/local jurisdictions but \\*generally\\* those signs would be included as free speech and therefore you are well within your rights to have them on your property. There may be ordinances in the city about \"advertising\" or some other nonsense they may try to pull. Case by case for that. The Sherriff removing them would be a crime and destruction of property. As for the police using your property for speed traps, that is trespassing. However this may not be so cut and dry. There may be an easement for the first part of that property based on how it is surveyed; would be worth checking as that may complicate your issue (My house has an easement in the front for the sidewalk, e.g and if police wanted to sit there with a radar gun I doubt I could do much). Understanding if that is there; how much it is and what use it is designated would all be important. Now your legal options; Sheriff departments get their funding from somewhere; that would be the body you would want to start complaining to. You can potentially sue the Sheriff personally for destroying your signs (he would have to argue that was a part of his job for qualified immunity). Would be an annoyance as you'd only recover the value of the signs but that would send a message. Your state bar association would be able to recommend the best lawyer to help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6940.0,"score_ratio":5.0053191489} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfbqt0","c_root_id_B":"hheu8ci","created_at_utc_A":1634772024,"created_at_utc_B":1634764333,"score_A":941,"score_B":137,"human_ref_A":"Flashing your lights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed trap ahead is protected by the first amendment, and I would think that signs on your own property stating such would be similarly protected. There is case law in OR. Police are not entitled to the use of your driveway without your consent, and you had the right idea with the rocks IMO. The escalation by the sheriff and his deputies is concerning, and I think other posters are correct that you've made yourself a target. I vote to lawyer up, submit a FOIA request on any and all communications involving you or your property, and also to take it up with your councilman. In the meantime, record all future interactions.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019d also add some No Trespassing Signs to this location. Many states require you to provide notice to those who may be trespassing. Unless there is an easement, no one has the right to be on private property. Easements can be for traffic site lines, utility access, lots of things. So if none of those exist and they continue to use your property they are trespassing. This isn\u2019t my area of expertise, but I feel confident with the fact these cops are BSing you. That\u2019s what they do. Hide behind a convincing statement and a badge.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7691.0,"score_ratio":6.8686131387} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhf1ag2","c_root_id_B":"hhfbqt0","created_at_utc_A":1634767325,"created_at_utc_B":1634772024,"score_A":85,"score_B":941,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, but would it be feasible to just remove the driveway? You said it doesn't really go anywhere, so it isn't a big loss to you.","human_ref_B":"Flashing your lights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed trap ahead is protected by the first amendment, and I would think that signs on your own property stating such would be similarly protected. There is case law in OR. Police are not entitled to the use of your driveway without your consent, and you had the right idea with the rocks IMO. The escalation by the sheriff and his deputies is concerning, and I think other posters are correct that you've made yourself a target. I vote to lawyer up, submit a FOIA request on any and all communications involving you or your property, and also to take it up with your councilman. In the meantime, record all future interactions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4699.0,"score_ratio":11.0705882353} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfbegb","c_root_id_B":"hhfbqt0","created_at_utc_A":1634771864,"created_at_utc_B":1634772024,"score_A":81,"score_B":941,"human_ref_A":"Lodge a complaint with your state's Attorney General. Trying to warn about a speed trap is a mixed bag... * https:\/\/reason.com\/volokh\/2019\/04\/24\/flashing-headlights-to-warn-of-speed-trap-may-be-protected-by-first-amendment\/ * https:\/\/www.law.com\/ctlawtribune\/2020\/10\/05\/dont-interfere-no-free-speech-protection-for-man-who-warned-drivers-about-police-speed-trap\/?slreturn=20210920191423 * https:\/\/www.stltoday.com\/news\/local\/crime-and-courts\/is-flashing-headlights-to-warn-of-a-speed-trap-protected-by-the-first-amendment\/article_a6d677f1-baf3-5347-bf25-503520dca8cf.html","human_ref_B":"Flashing your lights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed trap ahead is protected by the first amendment, and I would think that signs on your own property stating such would be similarly protected. There is case law in OR. Police are not entitled to the use of your driveway without your consent, and you had the right idea with the rocks IMO. The escalation by the sheriff and his deputies is concerning, and I think other posters are correct that you've made yourself a target. I vote to lawyer up, submit a FOIA request on any and all communications involving you or your property, and also to take it up with your councilman. In the meantime, record all future interactions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":160.0,"score_ratio":11.6172839506} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfayot","c_root_id_B":"hhfbqt0","created_at_utc_A":1634771659,"created_at_utc_B":1634772024,"score_A":68,"score_B":941,"human_ref_A":"Talk to a lawer and get them to draft up a C&D to send to the sherif.","human_ref_B":"Flashing your lights to warn oncoming drivers of a speed trap ahead is protected by the first amendment, and I would think that signs on your own property stating such would be similarly protected. There is case law in OR. Police are not entitled to the use of your driveway without your consent, and you had the right idea with the rocks IMO. The escalation by the sheriff and his deputies is concerning, and I think other posters are correct that you've made yourself a target. I vote to lawyer up, submit a FOIA request on any and all communications involving you or your property, and also to take it up with your councilman. In the meantime, record all future interactions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":365.0,"score_ratio":13.8382352941} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhey2ld","c_root_id_B":"hhew1a3","created_at_utc_A":1634765949,"created_at_utc_B":1634765084,"score_A":332,"score_B":188,"human_ref_A":"Fence with a gate if you still want to access availabe there. You don't have to fence the whole property, just put up a bit covering the disputed area. I'd have a hard time believing any judge would deny you compensation and perhaps extra damages if they tore that down considering the history so far. As long as it follows your property line, you should be good. May not prevent them from parking in the right of way, but it will probably dilute the value of this honey hole for them.","human_ref_B":"Well, state will matter here; as well as city\/local jurisdictions but \\*generally\\* those signs would be included as free speech and therefore you are well within your rights to have them on your property. There may be ordinances in the city about \"advertising\" or some other nonsense they may try to pull. Case by case for that. The Sherriff removing them would be a crime and destruction of property. As for the police using your property for speed traps, that is trespassing. However this may not be so cut and dry. There may be an easement for the first part of that property based on how it is surveyed; would be worth checking as that may complicate your issue (My house has an easement in the front for the sidewalk, e.g and if police wanted to sit there with a radar gun I doubt I could do much). Understanding if that is there; how much it is and what use it is designated would all be important. Now your legal options; Sheriff departments get their funding from somewhere; that would be the body you would want to start complaining to. You can potentially sue the Sheriff personally for destroying your signs (he would have to argue that was a part of his job for qualified immunity). Would be an annoyance as you'd only recover the value of the signs but that would send a message. Your state bar association would be able to recommend the best lawyer to help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":865.0,"score_ratio":1.7659574468} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hheu8ci","c_root_id_B":"hhey2ld","created_at_utc_A":1634764333,"created_at_utc_B":1634765949,"score_A":137,"score_B":332,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019d also add some No Trespassing Signs to this location. Many states require you to provide notice to those who may be trespassing. Unless there is an easement, no one has the right to be on private property. Easements can be for traffic site lines, utility access, lots of things. So if none of those exist and they continue to use your property they are trespassing. This isn\u2019t my area of expertise, but I feel confident with the fact these cops are BSing you. That\u2019s what they do. Hide behind a convincing statement and a badge.","human_ref_B":"Fence with a gate if you still want to access availabe there. You don't have to fence the whole property, just put up a bit covering the disputed area. I'd have a hard time believing any judge would deny you compensation and perhaps extra damages if they tore that down considering the history so far. As long as it follows your property line, you should be good. May not prevent them from parking in the right of way, but it will probably dilute the value of this honey hole for them.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1616.0,"score_ratio":2.4233576642} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhew1a3","c_root_id_B":"hheu8ci","created_at_utc_A":1634765084,"created_at_utc_B":1634764333,"score_A":188,"score_B":137,"human_ref_A":"Well, state will matter here; as well as city\/local jurisdictions but \\*generally\\* those signs would be included as free speech and therefore you are well within your rights to have them on your property. There may be ordinances in the city about \"advertising\" or some other nonsense they may try to pull. Case by case for that. The Sherriff removing them would be a crime and destruction of property. As for the police using your property for speed traps, that is trespassing. However this may not be so cut and dry. There may be an easement for the first part of that property based on how it is surveyed; would be worth checking as that may complicate your issue (My house has an easement in the front for the sidewalk, e.g and if police wanted to sit there with a radar gun I doubt I could do much). Understanding if that is there; how much it is and what use it is designated would all be important. Now your legal options; Sheriff departments get their funding from somewhere; that would be the body you would want to start complaining to. You can potentially sue the Sheriff personally for destroying your signs (he would have to argue that was a part of his job for qualified immunity). Would be an annoyance as you'd only recover the value of the signs but that would send a message. Your state bar association would be able to recommend the best lawyer to help.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019d also add some No Trespassing Signs to this location. Many states require you to provide notice to those who may be trespassing. Unless there is an easement, no one has the right to be on private property. Easements can be for traffic site lines, utility access, lots of things. So if none of those exist and they continue to use your property they are trespassing. This isn\u2019t my area of expertise, but I feel confident with the fact these cops are BSing you. That\u2019s what they do. Hide behind a convincing statement and a badge.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":751.0,"score_ratio":1.3722627737} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfdvpc","c_root_id_B":"hhf1ag2","created_at_utc_A":1634773025,"created_at_utc_B":1634767325,"score_A":87,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"Nal but i remember I believe your signs warning the public of the speed trap is legal as long as they dont block the road or block the view for any driver. I know the Supreme Court rules flashing your head ligjts to warn of speed traps is covered under free speech. Signs should be the same. https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/volokh-conspiracy\/wp\/2014\/02\/05\/flashing-headlights-to-warn-drivers-of-a-speed-trap-constitutionally-protected-speech\/","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but would it be feasible to just remove the driveway? You said it doesn't really go anywhere, so it isn't a big loss to you.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5700.0,"score_ratio":1.0235294118} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfbegb","c_root_id_B":"hhfayot","created_at_utc_A":1634771864,"created_at_utc_B":1634771659,"score_A":81,"score_B":68,"human_ref_A":"Lodge a complaint with your state's Attorney General. Trying to warn about a speed trap is a mixed bag... * https:\/\/reason.com\/volokh\/2019\/04\/24\/flashing-headlights-to-warn-of-speed-trap-may-be-protected-by-first-amendment\/ * https:\/\/www.law.com\/ctlawtribune\/2020\/10\/05\/dont-interfere-no-free-speech-protection-for-man-who-warned-drivers-about-police-speed-trap\/?slreturn=20210920191423 * https:\/\/www.stltoday.com\/news\/local\/crime-and-courts\/is-flashing-headlights-to-warn-of-a-speed-trap-protected-by-the-first-amendment\/article_a6d677f1-baf3-5347-bf25-503520dca8cf.html","human_ref_B":"Talk to a lawer and get them to draft up a C&D to send to the sherif.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":205.0,"score_ratio":1.1911764706} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfbegb","c_root_id_B":"hhfdvpc","created_at_utc_A":1634771864,"created_at_utc_B":1634773025,"score_A":81,"score_B":87,"human_ref_A":"Lodge a complaint with your state's Attorney General. Trying to warn about a speed trap is a mixed bag... * https:\/\/reason.com\/volokh\/2019\/04\/24\/flashing-headlights-to-warn-of-speed-trap-may-be-protected-by-first-amendment\/ * https:\/\/www.law.com\/ctlawtribune\/2020\/10\/05\/dont-interfere-no-free-speech-protection-for-man-who-warned-drivers-about-police-speed-trap\/?slreturn=20210920191423 * https:\/\/www.stltoday.com\/news\/local\/crime-and-courts\/is-flashing-headlights-to-warn-of-a-speed-trap-protected-by-the-first-amendment\/article_a6d677f1-baf3-5347-bf25-503520dca8cf.html","human_ref_B":"Nal but i remember I believe your signs warning the public of the speed trap is legal as long as they dont block the road or block the view for any driver. I know the Supreme Court rules flashing your head ligjts to warn of speed traps is covered under free speech. Signs should be the same. https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/volokh-conspiracy\/wp\/2014\/02\/05\/flashing-headlights-to-warn-drivers-of-a-speed-trap-constitutionally-protected-speech\/","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1161.0,"score_ratio":1.0740740741} {"post_id":"qc9nso","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Can I stop the county sheriff's office from using my property for a speed trap? Three months ago, I bought a parcel of land with a house on it in a rural area in Oregon along a state highway. Before I bought it, I had two separate surveys done (long story, but they were identical) so I know exactly where my property line is. The layout is a bit difficult to describe, so I made this MS Paint drawing to show what it looks like. For the first month or so after moving onto the property, about 1\/3 of the days I got back from work, there would be a traffic stop in progress just down the road from my driveway. I thought it was weird but I didn\u2019t make the connection until later that there was a speed trap further up the road. Also during the first month, I noticed that the driveway to the upper part of my property was worn down. It\u2019s pretty overgrown because it just leads to a little clearing in the forest, no buildings or structures, and there\u2019s also a path from my house to this area, so I never use it and the previous owner didn\u2019t either. But it looked like several people had driven a little ways up the road. I didn\u2019t want random people driving up there, so I had some large rocks put in to block the entrance from the highway. They were easily big enough to see, and couldn\u2019t be driven over accidentally, and were about 20 feet from the actual road. That was just before I left for about ten days to visit some family. When I got back, the rocks were gone. I called the sheriff\u2019s office to report the theft, because those rocks were kind of expensive, and it turns out the sheriff\u2019s office had removed them because they were \u201cencumbering the flow of traffic\u201d on the highway. This is totally untrue, because they weren\u2019t even close to the road and were fully on my property. They only blocked access to the upper part of my property. But I didn\u2019t know how to argue about it with the sheriff\u2019s office, so I decided to put new rocks in, but further up the driveway this time. I arranged for the same guy as before to put in the new rocks but when I walked up to meet him, I found a sheriff\u2019s deputy parked in the driveway, about thirty feet from the highway. My guess is he was trying to make sure drivers on the highway couldn\u2019t see him from up or down the road until they drove by. I asked him to leave because he was on my property, and I was about to have the driveway blocked off. He said he would leave, but I couldn\u2019t block the driveway off because the sheriff\u2019s office uses it for traffic enforcement purposes. When the guy I hired showed up, the deputy made him leave and told me that if the driveway was blocked again, they could charge me with obstruction. I feel like that\u2019s total bs, but when I called the sheriff\u2019s office to complain about them using my driveway for a speed trap and about the deputy\u2019s attitude, they also told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to block off my driveway if it\u2019s being used for law enforcement purposes. I fully acknowledge that the next few things I did were escalations, but at the time I didn\u2019t feel like I was doing anything wrong (and tbh I still don\u2019t). I put up signs (purple dots on the Paint map) at both ends of my property warning about a speed trap, and I put up no trespassing signs up at the entrance to that back driveway. I\u2019ve also been allowed to work from home most days for the last six weeks, so I started taking pleasant walks every two hours or so up to the back driveway to see if there were any deputies parked there. Seventeen times so far, there has been a deputy there and each of those times I told them they were on private property and asked them to leave. Each time they did, but they\u2019ve gotten increasingly aggressive about it as time has gone on. I\u2019ve called the sheriff\u2019s office a few times to complain again, but each time they told me that it was allowed and that I should stop calling to complain. So I stopped after the first two weeks. On Monday, I told THREE separate deputies to leave my property. I admit I was angry on the third time, and when the deputy got pissy, I told him to just f\\*ck off and not come back. He got angry at that and yelled at me about disrespect before leaving. I have made short notes after each time I talked with a deputy (date and time, and what was said) but given the incident on Monday, I was considering starting to film the incidents too. But it seems to have peaked yesterday when I got a visit at home from the sheriff. Yes, the elected sheriff. He had both of the speed trap warning signs with him, and he told me if I kept obstructing their traffic enforcement and kept harassing his deputies, they would charge me. He yelled at me for a few minutes before I told him to leave. My question is basically, am I allowed to do what I\u2019m doing? Can I put the warning signs back up and keep telling the deputies to get off my property? Am I really not allowed to block the entrance to my back driveway? Should I stop everything I\u2019m doing before I get charged with something? I was thinking of calling a lawyer to ask but the two lawyers in my closest town are a personal injury lawyer and a lawyer (not sure what kind) with the same uncommon last name as the sheriff. If I should contact a lawyer, what kind should I look for?","c_root_id_A":"hhfayot","c_root_id_B":"hhfdvpc","created_at_utc_A":1634771659,"created_at_utc_B":1634773025,"score_A":68,"score_B":87,"human_ref_A":"Talk to a lawer and get them to draft up a C&D to send to the sherif.","human_ref_B":"Nal but i remember I believe your signs warning the public of the speed trap is legal as long as they dont block the road or block the view for any driver. I know the Supreme Court rules flashing your head ligjts to warn of speed traps is covered under free speech. Signs should be the same. https:\/\/www.washingtonpost.com\/news\/volokh-conspiracy\/wp\/2014\/02\/05\/flashing-headlights-to-warn-drivers-of-a-speed-trap-constitutionally-protected-speech\/","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1366.0,"score_ratio":1.2794117647} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edl61xh","c_root_id_B":"edl4o8u","created_at_utc_A":1546982591,"created_at_utc_B":1546981615,"score_A":3542,"score_B":3016,"human_ref_A":"Trail cams cost little and are perfect for this kind of thing. Also, go back to the police and tell them your total property loss amount in dollars. Saying \"someone's been messing around with my old cars I keep in the woods\" has a lot less weight than \"people have been repeatedly stealing thousands of dollars of my property\" About whether or not you have a case, this really should be a law enforcement matter as people are just straight up stealing.","human_ref_B":"You could sue him for civil trespass and request an injunction requiring him to remove any identifying information from his website and to stay away. I\u2019d definitely reach out to your local PD too and document every theft, and see if they can have officers drive by more regularly. Documentation is going to be key. Good luck OP","labels":1,"seconds_difference":976.0,"score_ratio":1.174403183} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edl61xh","c_root_id_B":"edkwckl","created_at_utc_A":1546982591,"created_at_utc_B":1546975740,"score_A":3542,"score_B":1454,"human_ref_A":"Trail cams cost little and are perfect for this kind of thing. Also, go back to the police and tell them your total property loss amount in dollars. Saying \"someone's been messing around with my old cars I keep in the woods\" has a lot less weight than \"people have been repeatedly stealing thousands of dollars of my property\" About whether or not you have a case, this really should be a law enforcement matter as people are just straight up stealing.","human_ref_B":"Have you contacted the website and let them know you own the property?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6851.0,"score_ratio":2.4360385144} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edl61xh","c_root_id_B":"edl13yl","created_at_utc_A":1546982591,"created_at_utc_B":1546979157,"score_A":3542,"score_B":215,"human_ref_A":"Trail cams cost little and are perfect for this kind of thing. Also, go back to the police and tell them your total property loss amount in dollars. Saying \"someone's been messing around with my old cars I keep in the woods\" has a lot less weight than \"people have been repeatedly stealing thousands of dollars of my property\" About whether or not you have a case, this really should be a law enforcement matter as people are just straight up stealing.","human_ref_B":"Have you tried posting on the forum and calling this guy out on his bullshit? I imagine he would delete your posts, but it's worth a try. Also, if you have your own blog\/website, you should call him out on all of this as well. I find it a little hard to believe (only a little) that people would knowingly steal and then post about it on some forums. Perhaps you can get some of the stuff back if you can contact them...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3434.0,"score_ratio":16.4744186047} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edl61xh","c_root_id_B":"edkz5ap","created_at_utc_A":1546982591,"created_at_utc_B":1546977754,"score_A":3542,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"Trail cams cost little and are perfect for this kind of thing. Also, go back to the police and tell them your total property loss amount in dollars. Saying \"someone's been messing around with my old cars I keep in the woods\" has a lot less weight than \"people have been repeatedly stealing thousands of dollars of my property\" About whether or not you have a case, this really should be a law enforcement matter as people are just straight up stealing.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer - realistically it is going to be hard to recoup because the owners of the website are only hosting the information rather than taking the property. That being said, maybe there is some third party liability, particularly if you have contacted the website to take the listing down. Practically, it might be easier\/cheaper to make an account on the website and post that the barn is not abandoned. Also, talk to law enforcement about the trespassing and if you can, hire a guard while you can and block off those entrances listed on the website.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4837.0,"score_ratio":55.34375} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edl4o8u","c_root_id_B":"edkwckl","created_at_utc_A":1546981615,"created_at_utc_B":1546975740,"score_A":3016,"score_B":1454,"human_ref_A":"You could sue him for civil trespass and request an injunction requiring him to remove any identifying information from his website and to stay away. I\u2019d definitely reach out to your local PD too and document every theft, and see if they can have officers drive by more regularly. Documentation is going to be key. Good luck OP","human_ref_B":"Have you contacted the website and let them know you own the property?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5875.0,"score_ratio":2.0742778542} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edl4o8u","c_root_id_B":"edl13yl","created_at_utc_A":1546981615,"created_at_utc_B":1546979157,"score_A":3016,"score_B":215,"human_ref_A":"You could sue him for civil trespass and request an injunction requiring him to remove any identifying information from his website and to stay away. I\u2019d definitely reach out to your local PD too and document every theft, and see if they can have officers drive by more regularly. Documentation is going to be key. Good luck OP","human_ref_B":"Have you tried posting on the forum and calling this guy out on his bullshit? I imagine he would delete your posts, but it's worth a try. Also, if you have your own blog\/website, you should call him out on all of this as well. I find it a little hard to believe (only a little) that people would knowingly steal and then post about it on some forums. Perhaps you can get some of the stuff back if you can contact them...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2458.0,"score_ratio":14.0279069767} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edkz5ap","c_root_id_B":"edl4o8u","created_at_utc_A":1546977754,"created_at_utc_B":1546981615,"score_A":64,"score_B":3016,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer - realistically it is going to be hard to recoup because the owners of the website are only hosting the information rather than taking the property. That being said, maybe there is some third party liability, particularly if you have contacted the website to take the listing down. Practically, it might be easier\/cheaper to make an account on the website and post that the barn is not abandoned. Also, talk to law enforcement about the trespassing and if you can, hire a guard while you can and block off those entrances listed on the website.","human_ref_B":"You could sue him for civil trespass and request an injunction requiring him to remove any identifying information from his website and to stay away. I\u2019d definitely reach out to your local PD too and document every theft, and see if they can have officers drive by more regularly. Documentation is going to be key. Good luck OP","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3861.0,"score_ratio":47.125} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edl9v7c","c_root_id_B":"edkwckl","created_at_utc_A":1546985287,"created_at_utc_B":1546975740,"score_A":2322,"score_B":1454,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer - I've read all the posts and I think that you may be selling yourselves short here. I do have a couple of ideas or avenues that could possibly be used - essentially trying to think out of the box. * DataMine the Website - and what I mean by this, is to go through every post made on that website looking for any and everything last item that references your property, both bookmark, print, and capture (electronically) the posts. Now you have done this to a degree, but you probably should make another concerted effort. You want to start identifying the users \/posters who have posted about visiting your property. Make a list. You want to do this before folks start deleting posts, threads and cleaning up their tracks as users of this website. * Find a lawyer - preferably one who has been a district attorney or assistant DA. They will have the background in terms of 1) understanding the Oregon criminal codes; and 2) figuring out what may be necessary in terms of evidence to start nailing some of these folks. You also want them to think about your problem for a bit and devise some creative approaches to use the existing laws currently on the books to apply to your situation. Also, with the attorney going through all the information from the Data-mining effort, you want them to try to fit the laws to the \"evidence\" you have found. * Ask your lawyer to again think creatively in terms of how to sue 1) the website owner and 2) posters to the website where they admit visiting your property. My thinking is along the lines of the attractive nuisance doctrine. The traditional approach is a property owner having an un-fenced swimming pool and attracting the neighborhood children - and thus being partially responsible for drownings. I would think that the same consideration could be applied to the website owner, hosting and posting about your property. Especially, since you have notified them, and they refuse to do anything. They have created an attractive nuisance so compelling to collectors, that they are coming to your property to ~~\"collect\"~~ - rather steal. * Somewhere along all of this if your attorney thinks that all of this has legs, then you need to have a Preservation of Files Destroy or Not to Destroy order applied to the website. Right before the order, you can remotely copy the ENTIRE website to an external drive for evidence. After the order has been delivered take another copy and compare the two to see if anything has been deleted. If there have been deletions then pursue contempt charges against the website. The main things that will be deleted are the folks who find out and try to delete their user accounts. These are the guys that you really want to go after. * You then want to take the results from your data mining efforts and especially the web site users, and subpoena to get the identities and IP addresses of these folks, so that you can sue them too. Also, turn their identities over to the police and DA's office. * Then along the way and at the proper time, have your attorney approach both the police\/sheriff and the DA's office with the findings you have collected, along with their thoughts on approaches to criminally prosecute them. * Some laws that may have been broken.... * 2017 ORS 161.155 Criminal liability for conduct of another - Since you notified the website owner he now may be liable for the (A) intent to promote or facilitate the commission of the crime (theft); (B) Aids or abets or agrees or attempts to aid or abet such other person in planning or committing the crime; or (c) Having a legal duty to prevent the commission of the crime, fails to make an effort the person is legally required to make. 1971 c.743 \u00a713] * [Aiding and Abetting\/Accessory Also, take a look at this one - https:\/\/cpip.gmu.edu\/2017\/08\/17\/court-confirms-the-obvious-aiding-and-abetting-criminal-copyright-infringement-is-a-crime\/ * Possibly of facilitating the sale of stolen property and\/or Receiving Stolen Property - Does the website offer facilities to sell or trade car parts or accessories? * Here is a paper that sort of addresses the overall concept - https:\/\/scholarship.shu.edu\/cgi\/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1062&context=student_scholarship * This may help in some way too - https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao\/resources\/crime-victims-rights-ombudsman\/victims-rights-act ____________________________________ You might also look into some of the IP based motion detection systems. Some for household use are getting pretty cheap. In this way, you can go catch them red handed out in the barn. ____________________________________ Since the website may be out of state, and quite possibly some of your visitors out of state too - Federal charges could also apply. * 2477. Charging Aiding And Abetting and 2481. Aiding And Abetting An Attempted Crime * https:\/\/fas.org\/sgp\/crs\/misc\/R43769.pdf * You can also go after the website civilly - https:\/\/businesslawtoday.org\/2006\/05\/civil-liability-for-aiding-and-abetting\/ * Then there is wire fraud since this was via the Internet - 941. 18 U.S.C. 1343\u2014Elements of Wire Fraud and 18 U.S. Code \u00a7 1343 - Fraud by wire, radio, or television","human_ref_B":"Have you contacted the website and let them know you own the property?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9547.0,"score_ratio":1.5969738652} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edl13yl","c_root_id_B":"edl9v7c","created_at_utc_A":1546979157,"created_at_utc_B":1546985287,"score_A":215,"score_B":2322,"human_ref_A":"Have you tried posting on the forum and calling this guy out on his bullshit? I imagine he would delete your posts, but it's worth a try. Also, if you have your own blog\/website, you should call him out on all of this as well. I find it a little hard to believe (only a little) that people would knowingly steal and then post about it on some forums. Perhaps you can get some of the stuff back if you can contact them...","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer - I've read all the posts and I think that you may be selling yourselves short here. I do have a couple of ideas or avenues that could possibly be used - essentially trying to think out of the box. * DataMine the Website - and what I mean by this, is to go through every post made on that website looking for any and everything last item that references your property, both bookmark, print, and capture (electronically) the posts. Now you have done this to a degree, but you probably should make another concerted effort. You want to start identifying the users \/posters who have posted about visiting your property. Make a list. You want to do this before folks start deleting posts, threads and cleaning up their tracks as users of this website. * Find a lawyer - preferably one who has been a district attorney or assistant DA. They will have the background in terms of 1) understanding the Oregon criminal codes; and 2) figuring out what may be necessary in terms of evidence to start nailing some of these folks. You also want them to think about your problem for a bit and devise some creative approaches to use the existing laws currently on the books to apply to your situation. Also, with the attorney going through all the information from the Data-mining effort, you want them to try to fit the laws to the \"evidence\" you have found. * Ask your lawyer to again think creatively in terms of how to sue 1) the website owner and 2) posters to the website where they admit visiting your property. My thinking is along the lines of the attractive nuisance doctrine. The traditional approach is a property owner having an un-fenced swimming pool and attracting the neighborhood children - and thus being partially responsible for drownings. I would think that the same consideration could be applied to the website owner, hosting and posting about your property. Especially, since you have notified them, and they refuse to do anything. They have created an attractive nuisance so compelling to collectors, that they are coming to your property to ~~\"collect\"~~ - rather steal. * Somewhere along all of this if your attorney thinks that all of this has legs, then you need to have a Preservation of Files Destroy or Not to Destroy order applied to the website. Right before the order, you can remotely copy the ENTIRE website to an external drive for evidence. After the order has been delivered take another copy and compare the two to see if anything has been deleted. If there have been deletions then pursue contempt charges against the website. The main things that will be deleted are the folks who find out and try to delete their user accounts. These are the guys that you really want to go after. * You then want to take the results from your data mining efforts and especially the web site users, and subpoena to get the identities and IP addresses of these folks, so that you can sue them too. Also, turn their identities over to the police and DA's office. * Then along the way and at the proper time, have your attorney approach both the police\/sheriff and the DA's office with the findings you have collected, along with their thoughts on approaches to criminally prosecute them. * Some laws that may have been broken.... * 2017 ORS 161.155 Criminal liability for conduct of another - Since you notified the website owner he now may be liable for the (A) intent to promote or facilitate the commission of the crime (theft); (B) Aids or abets or agrees or attempts to aid or abet such other person in planning or committing the crime; or (c) Having a legal duty to prevent the commission of the crime, fails to make an effort the person is legally required to make. 1971 c.743 \u00a713] * [Aiding and Abetting\/Accessory Also, take a look at this one - https:\/\/cpip.gmu.edu\/2017\/08\/17\/court-confirms-the-obvious-aiding-and-abetting-criminal-copyright-infringement-is-a-crime\/ * Possibly of facilitating the sale of stolen property and\/or Receiving Stolen Property - Does the website offer facilities to sell or trade car parts or accessories? * Here is a paper that sort of addresses the overall concept - https:\/\/scholarship.shu.edu\/cgi\/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1062&context=student_scholarship * This may help in some way too - https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao\/resources\/crime-victims-rights-ombudsman\/victims-rights-act ____________________________________ You might also look into some of the IP based motion detection systems. Some for household use are getting pretty cheap. In this way, you can go catch them red handed out in the barn. ____________________________________ Since the website may be out of state, and quite possibly some of your visitors out of state too - Federal charges could also apply. * 2477. Charging Aiding And Abetting and 2481. Aiding And Abetting An Attempted Crime * https:\/\/fas.org\/sgp\/crs\/misc\/R43769.pdf * You can also go after the website civilly - https:\/\/businesslawtoday.org\/2006\/05\/civil-liability-for-aiding-and-abetting\/ * Then there is wire fraud since this was via the Internet - 941. 18 U.S.C. 1343\u2014Elements of Wire Fraud and 18 U.S. Code \u00a7 1343 - Fraud by wire, radio, or television","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6130.0,"score_ratio":10.8} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edl6g6d","c_root_id_B":"edl9v7c","created_at_utc_A":1546982870,"created_at_utc_B":1546985287,"score_A":136,"score_B":2322,"human_ref_A":"I'd be very careful, and either do some very thorough research, or contact an attorney, before your father starts relying on self-help remedies like dogs (or firearm use), and definitely avoid anything along the line of a booby trap (\"spring-gun\"). The last thing you want is an injury on your property and then to have to defend - and possibly lose!- a very expense personal injury suit from from scavenger. ​ Trail cams\/lights\/ signs on the barn are all a good idea. ​ I assume you have already considered just making the barn more secure.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer - I've read all the posts and I think that you may be selling yourselves short here. I do have a couple of ideas or avenues that could possibly be used - essentially trying to think out of the box. * DataMine the Website - and what I mean by this, is to go through every post made on that website looking for any and everything last item that references your property, both bookmark, print, and capture (electronically) the posts. Now you have done this to a degree, but you probably should make another concerted effort. You want to start identifying the users \/posters who have posted about visiting your property. Make a list. You want to do this before folks start deleting posts, threads and cleaning up their tracks as users of this website. * Find a lawyer - preferably one who has been a district attorney or assistant DA. They will have the background in terms of 1) understanding the Oregon criminal codes; and 2) figuring out what may be necessary in terms of evidence to start nailing some of these folks. You also want them to think about your problem for a bit and devise some creative approaches to use the existing laws currently on the books to apply to your situation. Also, with the attorney going through all the information from the Data-mining effort, you want them to try to fit the laws to the \"evidence\" you have found. * Ask your lawyer to again think creatively in terms of how to sue 1) the website owner and 2) posters to the website where they admit visiting your property. My thinking is along the lines of the attractive nuisance doctrine. The traditional approach is a property owner having an un-fenced swimming pool and attracting the neighborhood children - and thus being partially responsible for drownings. I would think that the same consideration could be applied to the website owner, hosting and posting about your property. Especially, since you have notified them, and they refuse to do anything. They have created an attractive nuisance so compelling to collectors, that they are coming to your property to ~~\"collect\"~~ - rather steal. * Somewhere along all of this if your attorney thinks that all of this has legs, then you need to have a Preservation of Files Destroy or Not to Destroy order applied to the website. Right before the order, you can remotely copy the ENTIRE website to an external drive for evidence. After the order has been delivered take another copy and compare the two to see if anything has been deleted. If there have been deletions then pursue contempt charges against the website. The main things that will be deleted are the folks who find out and try to delete their user accounts. These are the guys that you really want to go after. * You then want to take the results from your data mining efforts and especially the web site users, and subpoena to get the identities and IP addresses of these folks, so that you can sue them too. Also, turn their identities over to the police and DA's office. * Then along the way and at the proper time, have your attorney approach both the police\/sheriff and the DA's office with the findings you have collected, along with their thoughts on approaches to criminally prosecute them. * Some laws that may have been broken.... * 2017 ORS 161.155 Criminal liability for conduct of another - Since you notified the website owner he now may be liable for the (A) intent to promote or facilitate the commission of the crime (theft); (B) Aids or abets or agrees or attempts to aid or abet such other person in planning or committing the crime; or (c) Having a legal duty to prevent the commission of the crime, fails to make an effort the person is legally required to make. 1971 c.743 \u00a713] * [Aiding and Abetting\/Accessory Also, take a look at this one - https:\/\/cpip.gmu.edu\/2017\/08\/17\/court-confirms-the-obvious-aiding-and-abetting-criminal-copyright-infringement-is-a-crime\/ * Possibly of facilitating the sale of stolen property and\/or Receiving Stolen Property - Does the website offer facilities to sell or trade car parts or accessories? * Here is a paper that sort of addresses the overall concept - https:\/\/scholarship.shu.edu\/cgi\/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1062&context=student_scholarship * This may help in some way too - https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao\/resources\/crime-victims-rights-ombudsman\/victims-rights-act ____________________________________ You might also look into some of the IP based motion detection systems. Some for household use are getting pretty cheap. In this way, you can go catch them red handed out in the barn. ____________________________________ Since the website may be out of state, and quite possibly some of your visitors out of state too - Federal charges could also apply. * 2477. Charging Aiding And Abetting and 2481. Aiding And Abetting An Attempted Crime * https:\/\/fas.org\/sgp\/crs\/misc\/R43769.pdf * You can also go after the website civilly - https:\/\/businesslawtoday.org\/2006\/05\/civil-liability-for-aiding-and-abetting\/ * Then there is wire fraud since this was via the Internet - 941. 18 U.S.C. 1343\u2014Elements of Wire Fraud and 18 U.S. Code \u00a7 1343 - Fraud by wire, radio, or television","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2417.0,"score_ratio":17.0735294118} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edkz5ap","c_root_id_B":"edl9v7c","created_at_utc_A":1546977754,"created_at_utc_B":1546985287,"score_A":64,"score_B":2322,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer - realistically it is going to be hard to recoup because the owners of the website are only hosting the information rather than taking the property. That being said, maybe there is some third party liability, particularly if you have contacted the website to take the listing down. Practically, it might be easier\/cheaper to make an account on the website and post that the barn is not abandoned. Also, talk to law enforcement about the trespassing and if you can, hire a guard while you can and block off those entrances listed on the website.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer - I've read all the posts and I think that you may be selling yourselves short here. I do have a couple of ideas or avenues that could possibly be used - essentially trying to think out of the box. * DataMine the Website - and what I mean by this, is to go through every post made on that website looking for any and everything last item that references your property, both bookmark, print, and capture (electronically) the posts. Now you have done this to a degree, but you probably should make another concerted effort. You want to start identifying the users \/posters who have posted about visiting your property. Make a list. You want to do this before folks start deleting posts, threads and cleaning up their tracks as users of this website. * Find a lawyer - preferably one who has been a district attorney or assistant DA. They will have the background in terms of 1) understanding the Oregon criminal codes; and 2) figuring out what may be necessary in terms of evidence to start nailing some of these folks. You also want them to think about your problem for a bit and devise some creative approaches to use the existing laws currently on the books to apply to your situation. Also, with the attorney going through all the information from the Data-mining effort, you want them to try to fit the laws to the \"evidence\" you have found. * Ask your lawyer to again think creatively in terms of how to sue 1) the website owner and 2) posters to the website where they admit visiting your property. My thinking is along the lines of the attractive nuisance doctrine. The traditional approach is a property owner having an un-fenced swimming pool and attracting the neighborhood children - and thus being partially responsible for drownings. I would think that the same consideration could be applied to the website owner, hosting and posting about your property. Especially, since you have notified them, and they refuse to do anything. They have created an attractive nuisance so compelling to collectors, that they are coming to your property to ~~\"collect\"~~ - rather steal. * Somewhere along all of this if your attorney thinks that all of this has legs, then you need to have a Preservation of Files Destroy or Not to Destroy order applied to the website. Right before the order, you can remotely copy the ENTIRE website to an external drive for evidence. After the order has been delivered take another copy and compare the two to see if anything has been deleted. If there have been deletions then pursue contempt charges against the website. The main things that will be deleted are the folks who find out and try to delete their user accounts. These are the guys that you really want to go after. * You then want to take the results from your data mining efforts and especially the web site users, and subpoena to get the identities and IP addresses of these folks, so that you can sue them too. Also, turn their identities over to the police and DA's office. * Then along the way and at the proper time, have your attorney approach both the police\/sheriff and the DA's office with the findings you have collected, along with their thoughts on approaches to criminally prosecute them. * Some laws that may have been broken.... * 2017 ORS 161.155 Criminal liability for conduct of another - Since you notified the website owner he now may be liable for the (A) intent to promote or facilitate the commission of the crime (theft); (B) Aids or abets or agrees or attempts to aid or abet such other person in planning or committing the crime; or (c) Having a legal duty to prevent the commission of the crime, fails to make an effort the person is legally required to make. 1971 c.743 \u00a713] * [Aiding and Abetting\/Accessory Also, take a look at this one - https:\/\/cpip.gmu.edu\/2017\/08\/17\/court-confirms-the-obvious-aiding-and-abetting-criminal-copyright-infringement-is-a-crime\/ * Possibly of facilitating the sale of stolen property and\/or Receiving Stolen Property - Does the website offer facilities to sell or trade car parts or accessories? * Here is a paper that sort of addresses the overall concept - https:\/\/scholarship.shu.edu\/cgi\/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1062&context=student_scholarship * This may help in some way too - https:\/\/www.justice.gov\/usao\/resources\/crime-victims-rights-ombudsman\/victims-rights-act ____________________________________ You might also look into some of the IP based motion detection systems. Some for household use are getting pretty cheap. In this way, you can go catch them red handed out in the barn. ____________________________________ Since the website may be out of state, and quite possibly some of your visitors out of state too - Federal charges could also apply. * 2477. Charging Aiding And Abetting and 2481. Aiding And Abetting An Attempted Crime * https:\/\/fas.org\/sgp\/crs\/misc\/R43769.pdf * You can also go after the website civilly - https:\/\/businesslawtoday.org\/2006\/05\/civil-liability-for-aiding-and-abetting\/ * Then there is wire fraud since this was via the Internet - 941. 18 U.S.C. 1343\u2014Elements of Wire Fraud and 18 U.S. Code \u00a7 1343 - Fraud by wire, radio, or television","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7533.0,"score_ratio":36.28125} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edlmkls","c_root_id_B":"edlbcgz","created_at_utc_A":1546995204,"created_at_utc_B":1546986322,"score_A":462,"score_B":274,"human_ref_A":"Do you have homeowners insurance on the property? You might consider filing a claim for the stolen property and asking the adjuster if they'd consider taking legal action on your behalf to recover the funds instead of just reimbursing you.","human_ref_B":"having reviewed the other responses as well as the original post, i think it's in your best interests to hire a local attorney who is willing to be aggressive re: cease\/desist and injunctive relief If I were handling this, I'd ask a court to enjoin the blogger from posting or maintaining posts about the property; i may also consider suing him for damages b\/c his negligence is in part responsible for the loss. The idea that someone \"abandons\" 40-odd cars in the woods is ridiculous and anyone who comes across such a find should check local property records to see if \"the forest\" is public or private land. It's not up to trespassers to decide how you can use your own property - especially if the cars are barned. I'd also likely request the IP addresses of everyone who posted on the blog and send them letters demanding the return of the stolen property. And I'd tell the police that you've been victimized by theft. Good luck","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8882.0,"score_ratio":1.6861313869} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edlmkls","c_root_id_B":"edl13yl","created_at_utc_A":1546995204,"created_at_utc_B":1546979157,"score_A":462,"score_B":215,"human_ref_A":"Do you have homeowners insurance on the property? You might consider filing a claim for the stolen property and asking the adjuster if they'd consider taking legal action on your behalf to recover the funds instead of just reimbursing you.","human_ref_B":"Have you tried posting on the forum and calling this guy out on his bullshit? I imagine he would delete your posts, but it's worth a try. Also, if you have your own blog\/website, you should call him out on all of this as well. I find it a little hard to believe (only a little) that people would knowingly steal and then post about it on some forums. Perhaps you can get some of the stuff back if you can contact them...","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16047.0,"score_ratio":2.1488372093} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edl6g6d","c_root_id_B":"edlmkls","created_at_utc_A":1546982870,"created_at_utc_B":1546995204,"score_A":136,"score_B":462,"human_ref_A":"I'd be very careful, and either do some very thorough research, or contact an attorney, before your father starts relying on self-help remedies like dogs (or firearm use), and definitely avoid anything along the line of a booby trap (\"spring-gun\"). The last thing you want is an injury on your property and then to have to defend - and possibly lose!- a very expense personal injury suit from from scavenger. ​ Trail cams\/lights\/ signs on the barn are all a good idea. ​ I assume you have already considered just making the barn more secure.","human_ref_B":"Do you have homeowners insurance on the property? You might consider filing a claim for the stolen property and asking the adjuster if they'd consider taking legal action on your behalf to recover the funds instead of just reimbursing you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12334.0,"score_ratio":3.3970588235} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edkz5ap","c_root_id_B":"edlmkls","created_at_utc_A":1546977754,"created_at_utc_B":1546995204,"score_A":64,"score_B":462,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer - realistically it is going to be hard to recoup because the owners of the website are only hosting the information rather than taking the property. That being said, maybe there is some third party liability, particularly if you have contacted the website to take the listing down. Practically, it might be easier\/cheaper to make an account on the website and post that the barn is not abandoned. Also, talk to law enforcement about the trespassing and if you can, hire a guard while you can and block off those entrances listed on the website.","human_ref_B":"Do you have homeowners insurance on the property? You might consider filing a claim for the stolen property and asking the adjuster if they'd consider taking legal action on your behalf to recover the funds instead of just reimbursing you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17450.0,"score_ratio":7.21875} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edlmkls","c_root_id_B":"edlhze6","created_at_utc_A":1546995204,"created_at_utc_B":1546991432,"score_A":462,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"Do you have homeowners insurance on the property? You might consider filing a claim for the stolen property and asking the adjuster if they'd consider taking legal action on your behalf to recover the funds instead of just reimbursing you.","human_ref_B":"On a side note, he should get some trail cameras and some big, loud, scary looking dogs to encourage people to stay away.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3772.0,"score_ratio":7.21875} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edl13yl","c_root_id_B":"edlbcgz","created_at_utc_A":1546979157,"created_at_utc_B":1546986322,"score_A":215,"score_B":274,"human_ref_A":"Have you tried posting on the forum and calling this guy out on his bullshit? I imagine he would delete your posts, but it's worth a try. Also, if you have your own blog\/website, you should call him out on all of this as well. I find it a little hard to believe (only a little) that people would knowingly steal and then post about it on some forums. Perhaps you can get some of the stuff back if you can contact them...","human_ref_B":"having reviewed the other responses as well as the original post, i think it's in your best interests to hire a local attorney who is willing to be aggressive re: cease\/desist and injunctive relief If I were handling this, I'd ask a court to enjoin the blogger from posting or maintaining posts about the property; i may also consider suing him for damages b\/c his negligence is in part responsible for the loss. The idea that someone \"abandons\" 40-odd cars in the woods is ridiculous and anyone who comes across such a find should check local property records to see if \"the forest\" is public or private land. It's not up to trespassers to decide how you can use your own property - especially if the cars are barned. I'd also likely request the IP addresses of everyone who posted on the blog and send them letters demanding the return of the stolen property. And I'd tell the police that you've been victimized by theft. Good luck","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7165.0,"score_ratio":1.2744186047} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edl6g6d","c_root_id_B":"edlbcgz","created_at_utc_A":1546982870,"created_at_utc_B":1546986322,"score_A":136,"score_B":274,"human_ref_A":"I'd be very careful, and either do some very thorough research, or contact an attorney, before your father starts relying on self-help remedies like dogs (or firearm use), and definitely avoid anything along the line of a booby trap (\"spring-gun\"). The last thing you want is an injury on your property and then to have to defend - and possibly lose!- a very expense personal injury suit from from scavenger. ​ Trail cams\/lights\/ signs on the barn are all a good idea. ​ I assume you have already considered just making the barn more secure.","human_ref_B":"having reviewed the other responses as well as the original post, i think it's in your best interests to hire a local attorney who is willing to be aggressive re: cease\/desist and injunctive relief If I were handling this, I'd ask a court to enjoin the blogger from posting or maintaining posts about the property; i may also consider suing him for damages b\/c his negligence is in part responsible for the loss. The idea that someone \"abandons\" 40-odd cars in the woods is ridiculous and anyone who comes across such a find should check local property records to see if \"the forest\" is public or private land. It's not up to trespassers to decide how you can use your own property - especially if the cars are barned. I'd also likely request the IP addresses of everyone who posted on the blog and send them letters demanding the return of the stolen property. And I'd tell the police that you've been victimized by theft. Good luck","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3452.0,"score_ratio":2.0147058824} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edkz5ap","c_root_id_B":"edlbcgz","created_at_utc_A":1546977754,"created_at_utc_B":1546986322,"score_A":64,"score_B":274,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer - realistically it is going to be hard to recoup because the owners of the website are only hosting the information rather than taking the property. That being said, maybe there is some third party liability, particularly if you have contacted the website to take the listing down. Practically, it might be easier\/cheaper to make an account on the website and post that the barn is not abandoned. Also, talk to law enforcement about the trespassing and if you can, hire a guard while you can and block off those entrances listed on the website.","human_ref_B":"having reviewed the other responses as well as the original post, i think it's in your best interests to hire a local attorney who is willing to be aggressive re: cease\/desist and injunctive relief If I were handling this, I'd ask a court to enjoin the blogger from posting or maintaining posts about the property; i may also consider suing him for damages b\/c his negligence is in part responsible for the loss. The idea that someone \"abandons\" 40-odd cars in the woods is ridiculous and anyone who comes across such a find should check local property records to see if \"the forest\" is public or private land. It's not up to trespassers to decide how you can use your own property - especially if the cars are barned. I'd also likely request the IP addresses of everyone who posted on the blog and send them letters demanding the return of the stolen property. And I'd tell the police that you've been victimized by theft. Good luck","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8568.0,"score_ratio":4.28125} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edl13yl","c_root_id_B":"edlnuk4","created_at_utc_A":1546979157,"created_at_utc_B":1546996257,"score_A":215,"score_B":259,"human_ref_A":"Have you tried posting on the forum and calling this guy out on his bullshit? I imagine he would delete your posts, but it's worth a try. Also, if you have your own blog\/website, you should call him out on all of this as well. I find it a little hard to believe (only a little) that people would knowingly steal and then post about it on some forums. Perhaps you can get some of the stuff back if you can contact them...","human_ref_B":"Trail cams and motion activated sound alarms (meaning, they sound like you are standing in the middle of 10 police cars going off at once), should help deter people.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17100.0,"score_ratio":1.2046511628} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edlnuk4","c_root_id_B":"edl6g6d","created_at_utc_A":1546996257,"created_at_utc_B":1546982870,"score_A":259,"score_B":136,"human_ref_A":"Trail cams and motion activated sound alarms (meaning, they sound like you are standing in the middle of 10 police cars going off at once), should help deter people.","human_ref_B":"I'd be very careful, and either do some very thorough research, or contact an attorney, before your father starts relying on self-help remedies like dogs (or firearm use), and definitely avoid anything along the line of a booby trap (\"spring-gun\"). The last thing you want is an injury on your property and then to have to defend - and possibly lose!- a very expense personal injury suit from from scavenger. ​ Trail cams\/lights\/ signs on the barn are all a good idea. ​ I assume you have already considered just making the barn more secure.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13387.0,"score_ratio":1.9044117647} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edlnuk4","c_root_id_B":"edkz5ap","created_at_utc_A":1546996257,"created_at_utc_B":1546977754,"score_A":259,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"Trail cams and motion activated sound alarms (meaning, they sound like you are standing in the middle of 10 police cars going off at once), should help deter people.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer - realistically it is going to be hard to recoup because the owners of the website are only hosting the information rather than taking the property. That being said, maybe there is some third party liability, particularly if you have contacted the website to take the listing down. Practically, it might be easier\/cheaper to make an account on the website and post that the barn is not abandoned. Also, talk to law enforcement about the trespassing and if you can, hire a guard while you can and block off those entrances listed on the website.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18503.0,"score_ratio":4.046875} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edlnuk4","c_root_id_B":"edlhze6","created_at_utc_A":1546996257,"created_at_utc_B":1546991432,"score_A":259,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"Trail cams and motion activated sound alarms (meaning, they sound like you are standing in the middle of 10 police cars going off at once), should help deter people.","human_ref_B":"On a side note, he should get some trail cameras and some big, loud, scary looking dogs to encourage people to stay away.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4825.0,"score_ratio":4.046875} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edkz5ap","c_root_id_B":"edl13yl","created_at_utc_A":1546977754,"created_at_utc_B":1546979157,"score_A":64,"score_B":215,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer - realistically it is going to be hard to recoup because the owners of the website are only hosting the information rather than taking the property. That being said, maybe there is some third party liability, particularly if you have contacted the website to take the listing down. Practically, it might be easier\/cheaper to make an account on the website and post that the barn is not abandoned. Also, talk to law enforcement about the trespassing and if you can, hire a guard while you can and block off those entrances listed on the website.","human_ref_B":"Have you tried posting on the forum and calling this guy out on his bullshit? I imagine he would delete your posts, but it's worth a try. Also, if you have your own blog\/website, you should call him out on all of this as well. I find it a little hard to believe (only a little) that people would knowingly steal and then post about it on some forums. Perhaps you can get some of the stuff back if you can contact them...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1403.0,"score_ratio":3.359375} {"post_id":"adxub1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Can we successfully sue someone \"advertising\" items on our property? My father lives on an 18-acre wooded property in Oregon that he and I jointly own (I live in California). He's into classic car restoration and started collecting \"barn finds\" over 20 years ago. Today he has more than 40 vehicles on the property, mostly in barns and old chicken coops, but all relatively well cared for. Most are classic cars worth non-trivial amounts of money (old Fords and Hudsons, 1960's muscle cars, that sort of thing), and he's whiling away his retirement years pulling the cars out one by one to restore and sell off. About a year ago he started noticing small thefts from some of the cars. Hubcaps started vanishing, engine parts would disappear from previously running cars, one car had its interior partially stripped. He initially assumed that it was local thieves until a couple of months ago when he caught a couple of videographers going through one of his barns, documenting everything inside of it. While they waited for the sheriff to arrive (at gunpoint, FWIW), the videographers explained that they'd learned about the property through a \"barn finds\" auto blog and discussion board. Apparently, the property had been \"found\" about 18 months previously, was described as abandoned and had been visited a number of times by the members of this barn finds forum. They also solved a mystery. About six months prior, my dad had found some deep muddy ruts on an abandoned access road at the back of the property. We learned that a group of these guys had tried to \"rescue\" a very valuable and collectible car stored in one of the outbuildings, but had got stuck in the mud and had been planning on trying again. The property is now VERY well marked with signs prohibiting access, and we've re-strung the barbed wire fences around the perimeter. My dad also felled three trees to block some of the old access roads on the side and rear of the property to prevent any additional \"rescue attempts\". Our problem is that the original website STILL has the information online including detailed photos of everything we have on the property. They are still listing the exact location of the land, including directions about how to approach it to \"avoid neighbors\", but have added a few comments about \"an angry old man living in a neighboring house who is trying to claim the abandoned property and derelict cars\". Since catching the trespassers, our fences have been cut three times, a number of additional parts have vanished (including an irreplaceable steering wheel from a 1938 Mercedes Benz), and the barns have been forcibly broken into several times. So here's my question. Because this all started when the blogs primary authors trespassed on our property, documented our cars, and falsely labeled them as \"abandoned\", and because they continue to list them on their website, is there any chance that we could successfully sue them and recover some of the losses we've experienced over the past year? Between the new fence, signage, and the value of the lost parts, he estimates that we're probably out more than $15,000 at this point. We've identified the owner of the blog and believe that he has the financial resources to pay a judgment, but I'm not sure whether it's worth the effort. I personally know two lawyers. One is telling me to sue their arse off, and the other is telling me that we'd be wasting our time and money. So, \/r\/legaladvice, what's your take? Do we have a case?","c_root_id_A":"edkz5ap","c_root_id_B":"edl6g6d","created_at_utc_A":1546977754,"created_at_utc_B":1546982870,"score_A":64,"score_B":136,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer - realistically it is going to be hard to recoup because the owners of the website are only hosting the information rather than taking the property. That being said, maybe there is some third party liability, particularly if you have contacted the website to take the listing down. Practically, it might be easier\/cheaper to make an account on the website and post that the barn is not abandoned. Also, talk to law enforcement about the trespassing and if you can, hire a guard while you can and block off those entrances listed on the website.","human_ref_B":"I'd be very careful, and either do some very thorough research, or contact an attorney, before your father starts relying on self-help remedies like dogs (or firearm use), and definitely avoid anything along the line of a booby trap (\"spring-gun\"). The last thing you want is an injury on your property and then to have to defend - and possibly lose!- a very expense personal injury suit from from scavenger. ​ Trail cams\/lights\/ signs on the barn are all a good idea. ​ I assume you have already considered just making the barn more secure.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5116.0,"score_ratio":2.125} {"post_id":"cg1t5i","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Friend got two charges for drinking in my yard My friend left my house around 2am, said goodbye to another friend, then began to walk home. He noticed a cop and decided to stay put a second - he sat down on a couch we have outside. Eventually, the cop comes up and begins questioning him. The cop even went as far as saying \u201cthis isn\u2019t you\u201d when he showed him his ID and verbally harassing him. Two more cops come, they go back and forth, but they end up handcuffing him and booking him. He got two charges, \u201cdisorderly prowling\u201d and \u201copen alcohol in public\u201d. I\u2019m helping him contest this because I think it\u2019s bullshit that these cops harassed him like that, there was 0 disorderly prowling (unless that\u2019s what you call a black man walking home) and this was all right outside of my house and in my yard, minutes after I went to bed. Any and all advice will be appreciated, we\u2019re college students in MI.","c_root_id_A":"eue7zpw","c_root_id_B":"eueftke","created_at_utc_A":1563737667,"created_at_utc_B":1563743306,"score_A":400,"score_B":450,"human_ref_A":"Check to see if your school has a legal aid office for students; many do.","human_ref_B":"There is no \u201cdisorderly prowling\u201d, it\u2019s \u201cdisorderly person\u201d and what MI calls it\u2019s drunk-in-public law: >**750.167 Disorderly person** > (1) A person is a disorderly person if the person is any of the following: >>(a) A person of sufficient ability who refuses or neglects to support his or her family. >>(b) A common prostitute. >>(c) A window peeper. >>(d) A person who engages in an illegal occupation or business. >>(e) *A person who is intoxicated in a public place and who is either endangering directly the safety of another person or of property or is acting in a manner that causes a public disturbance.* [edit: stupid url has parenthesis and I can\u2019t figure out how to get Reddit to shorten it. It\u2019s here: http:\/\/www.legislature.mi.gov\/(S(2anmgzhvb4bnbkxrdgf2zwfa))\/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-750-167) Your local town may have a more restrictive ordinance on public drinking which applies to your front yard as well.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5639.0,"score_ratio":1.125} {"post_id":"cq9cak","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"School locks our bathrooms and refuses to let us go Recently my school decided it would be a good idea to lock the bathrooms due to \u2018bullying\u2019 (it\u2019s just kids who smoke) during class times and teachers are being instructed to not even let students leave classes. I refused this when i needed to go and was suspended promptly. Was just wondering if there were any legalities that prevents the school from doing this? I\u2019m in Australia, Vic Thanks","c_root_id_A":"ewut2fq","c_root_id_B":"ewuz4gt","created_at_utc_A":1565790986,"created_at_utc_B":1565795032,"score_A":451,"score_B":3471,"human_ref_A":"no accessible bathrooms is a health and sanitation issue, as well as being ridiculous. being suspended for leaving the classroom to go to the bathroom is even worse, and I'm pretty certain is a not allowed -- the punishment should fit the crime. you can read about suspensions here and see what your options are. the Australian government has a legal obligation to ensure that all young people receive an education -- you are being denied an education for needing to go to the bathroom, this is wrong. appeal the suspension. regarding the new rule... get your parents to make a formal complaint, get your friends to get their parents to make a formal complaint. also make a complaint to the Department of Education - this will tell you how to do so \\- and have as many people submit complaints as you can. ​ as for the day to day stuff... honestly if this happened at my high school we all would have just ignored the rule and left to go to the bathroom as usual, and if the toilets were locked we would just go for the staff toilets. sure it's breaking school rules, but when you gotta go you gotta go.","human_ref_B":"Honestly, get parents involved. Mad parents can and will coerce a lot of change in schools. See if your parents could or would get something started. Other than that, you *do* have power as a student. Organize something like a school walkout or similar. Legally they aren't allowed to deny you the right to use the bathroom, but I'm not sure something like talking to the police would help too much in these situations as they tend to side with the schools.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4046.0,"score_ratio":7.6962305987} {"post_id":"cq9cak","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"School locks our bathrooms and refuses to let us go Recently my school decided it would be a good idea to lock the bathrooms due to \u2018bullying\u2019 (it\u2019s just kids who smoke) during class times and teachers are being instructed to not even let students leave classes. I refused this when i needed to go and was suspended promptly. Was just wondering if there were any legalities that prevents the school from doing this? I\u2019m in Australia, Vic Thanks","c_root_id_A":"ewuz4gt","c_root_id_B":"ewuviuo","created_at_utc_A":1565795032,"created_at_utc_B":1565792669,"score_A":3471,"score_B":305,"human_ref_A":"Honestly, get parents involved. Mad parents can and will coerce a lot of change in schools. See if your parents could or would get something started. Other than that, you *do* have power as a student. Organize something like a school walkout or similar. Legally they aren't allowed to deny you the right to use the bathroom, but I'm not sure something like talking to the police would help too much in these situations as they tend to side with the schools.","human_ref_B":"Try \/r\/auslegal","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2363.0,"score_ratio":11.3803278689} {"post_id":"cq9cak","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"School locks our bathrooms and refuses to let us go Recently my school decided it would be a good idea to lock the bathrooms due to \u2018bullying\u2019 (it\u2019s just kids who smoke) during class times and teachers are being instructed to not even let students leave classes. I refused this when i needed to go and was suspended promptly. Was just wondering if there were any legalities that prevents the school from doing this? I\u2019m in Australia, Vic Thanks","c_root_id_A":"ewv0fyz","c_root_id_B":"ewuzwun","created_at_utc_A":1565795883,"created_at_utc_B":1565795541,"score_A":1402,"score_B":747,"human_ref_A":"education.vic.gov.au says: > In general, children should be allowed to go to the toilet when they need to go or when medical need has been identified. What is the age range of the people in your school? I ask because the quote says \"children.\" As for what to do with this info, I'll let others reply.","human_ref_B":"Go to your school councillor and tell them about it. Tell your parents. Get them to complain. Tell everyone else to do the same. If the policy is not changed and you feel you or your peers' health is at risk you could report them to the Department of health and human services. Denying basic human liberties like using the toilet is likely to be a breach child safe standards. I'm not a lawyer, a doctor or a teacher but I work under the same child safe standards policy in Vic, AU and this doesn't sit well with me. It could be perceived as neglect, especially in a school full of adolescents with varying needs. If you want to make them squirm you can tell them about your bowel problems if male or heavy menstrual problems if female. Tell them it's making you anxious and you don't feel comfortable in school anymore because of it. You can even go to a bulk billing doctor and get a medical certificate if need be. If you tell your doctor you can't always hold on and explain the situation they're likely to assist you. If they don't change the policy then get others at the school to do the same. It just depends on what extent you feel you need to go to. I would start with your councillor and parents though. It's probably the quickest way to go about it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":342.0,"score_ratio":1.8768406961} {"post_id":"cq9cak","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"School locks our bathrooms and refuses to let us go Recently my school decided it would be a good idea to lock the bathrooms due to \u2018bullying\u2019 (it\u2019s just kids who smoke) during class times and teachers are being instructed to not even let students leave classes. I refused this when i needed to go and was suspended promptly. Was just wondering if there were any legalities that prevents the school from doing this? I\u2019m in Australia, Vic Thanks","c_root_id_A":"ewv0fyz","c_root_id_B":"ewut2fq","created_at_utc_A":1565795883,"created_at_utc_B":1565790986,"score_A":1402,"score_B":451,"human_ref_A":"education.vic.gov.au says: > In general, children should be allowed to go to the toilet when they need to go or when medical need has been identified. What is the age range of the people in your school? I ask because the quote says \"children.\" As for what to do with this info, I'll let others reply.","human_ref_B":"no accessible bathrooms is a health and sanitation issue, as well as being ridiculous. being suspended for leaving the classroom to go to the bathroom is even worse, and I'm pretty certain is a not allowed -- the punishment should fit the crime. you can read about suspensions here and see what your options are. the Australian government has a legal obligation to ensure that all young people receive an education -- you are being denied an education for needing to go to the bathroom, this is wrong. appeal the suspension. regarding the new rule... get your parents to make a formal complaint, get your friends to get their parents to make a formal complaint. also make a complaint to the Department of Education - this will tell you how to do so \\- and have as many people submit complaints as you can. ​ as for the day to day stuff... honestly if this happened at my high school we all would have just ignored the rule and left to go to the bathroom as usual, and if the toilets were locked we would just go for the staff toilets. sure it's breaking school rules, but when you gotta go you gotta go.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4897.0,"score_ratio":3.1086474501} {"post_id":"cq9cak","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"School locks our bathrooms and refuses to let us go Recently my school decided it would be a good idea to lock the bathrooms due to \u2018bullying\u2019 (it\u2019s just kids who smoke) during class times and teachers are being instructed to not even let students leave classes. I refused this when i needed to go and was suspended promptly. Was just wondering if there were any legalities that prevents the school from doing this? I\u2019m in Australia, Vic Thanks","c_root_id_A":"ewv0fyz","c_root_id_B":"ewuviuo","created_at_utc_A":1565795883,"created_at_utc_B":1565792669,"score_A":1402,"score_B":305,"human_ref_A":"education.vic.gov.au says: > In general, children should be allowed to go to the toilet when they need to go or when medical need has been identified. What is the age range of the people in your school? I ask because the quote says \"children.\" As for what to do with this info, I'll let others reply.","human_ref_B":"Try \/r\/auslegal","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3214.0,"score_ratio":4.5967213115} {"post_id":"cq9cak","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"School locks our bathrooms and refuses to let us go Recently my school decided it would be a good idea to lock the bathrooms due to \u2018bullying\u2019 (it\u2019s just kids who smoke) during class times and teachers are being instructed to not even let students leave classes. I refused this when i needed to go and was suspended promptly. Was just wondering if there were any legalities that prevents the school from doing this? I\u2019m in Australia, Vic Thanks","c_root_id_A":"ewut2fq","c_root_id_B":"ewuzwun","created_at_utc_A":1565790986,"created_at_utc_B":1565795541,"score_A":451,"score_B":747,"human_ref_A":"no accessible bathrooms is a health and sanitation issue, as well as being ridiculous. being suspended for leaving the classroom to go to the bathroom is even worse, and I'm pretty certain is a not allowed -- the punishment should fit the crime. you can read about suspensions here and see what your options are. the Australian government has a legal obligation to ensure that all young people receive an education -- you are being denied an education for needing to go to the bathroom, this is wrong. appeal the suspension. regarding the new rule... get your parents to make a formal complaint, get your friends to get their parents to make a formal complaint. also make a complaint to the Department of Education - this will tell you how to do so \\- and have as many people submit complaints as you can. ​ as for the day to day stuff... honestly if this happened at my high school we all would have just ignored the rule and left to go to the bathroom as usual, and if the toilets were locked we would just go for the staff toilets. sure it's breaking school rules, but when you gotta go you gotta go.","human_ref_B":"Go to your school councillor and tell them about it. Tell your parents. Get them to complain. Tell everyone else to do the same. If the policy is not changed and you feel you or your peers' health is at risk you could report them to the Department of health and human services. Denying basic human liberties like using the toilet is likely to be a breach child safe standards. I'm not a lawyer, a doctor or a teacher but I work under the same child safe standards policy in Vic, AU and this doesn't sit well with me. It could be perceived as neglect, especially in a school full of adolescents with varying needs. If you want to make them squirm you can tell them about your bowel problems if male or heavy menstrual problems if female. Tell them it's making you anxious and you don't feel comfortable in school anymore because of it. You can even go to a bulk billing doctor and get a medical certificate if need be. If you tell your doctor you can't always hold on and explain the situation they're likely to assist you. If they don't change the policy then get others at the school to do the same. It just depends on what extent you feel you need to go to. I would start with your councillor and parents though. It's probably the quickest way to go about it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4555.0,"score_ratio":1.6563192905} {"post_id":"cq9cak","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"School locks our bathrooms and refuses to let us go Recently my school decided it would be a good idea to lock the bathrooms due to \u2018bullying\u2019 (it\u2019s just kids who smoke) during class times and teachers are being instructed to not even let students leave classes. I refused this when i needed to go and was suspended promptly. Was just wondering if there were any legalities that prevents the school from doing this? I\u2019m in Australia, Vic Thanks","c_root_id_A":"ewuzwun","c_root_id_B":"ewuviuo","created_at_utc_A":1565795541,"created_at_utc_B":1565792669,"score_A":747,"score_B":305,"human_ref_A":"Go to your school councillor and tell them about it. Tell your parents. Get them to complain. Tell everyone else to do the same. If the policy is not changed and you feel you or your peers' health is at risk you could report them to the Department of health and human services. Denying basic human liberties like using the toilet is likely to be a breach child safe standards. I'm not a lawyer, a doctor or a teacher but I work under the same child safe standards policy in Vic, AU and this doesn't sit well with me. It could be perceived as neglect, especially in a school full of adolescents with varying needs. If you want to make them squirm you can tell them about your bowel problems if male or heavy menstrual problems if female. Tell them it's making you anxious and you don't feel comfortable in school anymore because of it. You can even go to a bulk billing doctor and get a medical certificate if need be. If you tell your doctor you can't always hold on and explain the situation they're likely to assist you. If they don't change the policy then get others at the school to do the same. It just depends on what extent you feel you need to go to. I would start with your councillor and parents though. It's probably the quickest way to go about it.","human_ref_B":"Try \/r\/auslegal","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2872.0,"score_ratio":2.4491803279} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivlr22u","c_root_id_B":"ivlifjp","created_at_utc_A":1667944661,"created_at_utc_B":1667941325,"score_A":6284,"score_B":3389,"human_ref_A":"Tell your boss with coworkers near by as witnesses that they are required to let you all go to vote. Record for your own protection discreetly. And go. If they try to retaliate seek legal counsel.","human_ref_B":"Call the GA attorney general: 888-532-0148","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3336.0,"score_ratio":1.8542342874} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivlr22u","c_root_id_B":"ivlgc0m","created_at_utc_A":1667944661,"created_at_utc_B":1667940531,"score_A":6284,"score_B":1667,"human_ref_A":"Tell your boss with coworkers near by as witnesses that they are required to let you all go to vote. Record for your own protection discreetly. And go. If they try to retaliate seek legal counsel.","human_ref_B":"Are you part of a union at your school? Unless it\u2019s PTC or something like that a mandatory staff meeting at 6-8 pm is incredibly unreasonable. Contact your union president ASAP!!!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4130.0,"score_ratio":3.7696460708} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivlr22u","c_root_id_B":"ivlimwf","created_at_utc_A":1667944661,"created_at_utc_B":1667941401,"score_A":6284,"score_B":858,"human_ref_A":"Tell your boss with coworkers near by as witnesses that they are required to let you all go to vote. Record for your own protection discreetly. And go. If they try to retaliate seek legal counsel.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer but inform your boss that they legally can not withhold your right to vote and if they do not comply you will report them to your local voting office. It\u2019s ILLEGAL to withhold your right to vote.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3260.0,"score_ratio":7.324009324} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivle9ct","c_root_id_B":"ivlr22u","created_at_utc_A":1667939748,"created_at_utc_B":1667944661,"score_A":404,"score_B":6284,"human_ref_A":"In the US where?","human_ref_B":"Tell your boss with coworkers near by as witnesses that they are required to let you all go to vote. Record for your own protection discreetly. And go. If they try to retaliate seek legal counsel.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4913.0,"score_ratio":15.5544554455} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivleleq","c_root_id_B":"ivlr22u","created_at_utc_A":1667939873,"created_at_utc_B":1667944661,"score_A":303,"score_B":6284,"human_ref_A":"What state? \"US\" is not a valid location. We don't have one national election, we have 50 state elections (plus territories). I would call your union, if you have one, immediately. I would also call 866-OUR-VOTE and see what they suggest.","human_ref_B":"Tell your boss with coworkers near by as witnesses that they are required to let you all go to vote. Record for your own protection discreetly. And go. If they try to retaliate seek legal counsel.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4788.0,"score_ratio":20.7392739274} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivlt56l","c_root_id_B":"ivlifjp","created_at_utc_A":1667945507,"created_at_utc_B":1667941325,"score_A":3987,"score_B":3389,"human_ref_A":"Im an attorney but not from Georgia. This appears to be textbook voter suppression. If i were you i would send an email saying you cannot attend because you need the time to vote. Full stop. Then go vote. Your lawyer or union rep should then be able to put a stop to any attempt to sanction you. Your administration should be in a lot of trouble for pulling this. Do not let them take away your vote.","human_ref_B":"Call the GA attorney general: 888-532-0148","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4182.0,"score_ratio":1.176453231} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivlgc0m","c_root_id_B":"ivlt56l","created_at_utc_A":1667940531,"created_at_utc_B":1667945507,"score_A":1667,"score_B":3987,"human_ref_A":"Are you part of a union at your school? Unless it\u2019s PTC or something like that a mandatory staff meeting at 6-8 pm is incredibly unreasonable. Contact your union president ASAP!!!","human_ref_B":"Im an attorney but not from Georgia. This appears to be textbook voter suppression. If i were you i would send an email saying you cannot attend because you need the time to vote. Full stop. Then go vote. Your lawyer or union rep should then be able to put a stop to any attempt to sanction you. Your administration should be in a lot of trouble for pulling this. Do not let them take away your vote.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4976.0,"score_ratio":2.3917216557} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivlimwf","c_root_id_B":"ivlt56l","created_at_utc_A":1667941401,"created_at_utc_B":1667945507,"score_A":858,"score_B":3987,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but inform your boss that they legally can not withhold your right to vote and if they do not comply you will report them to your local voting office. It\u2019s ILLEGAL to withhold your right to vote.","human_ref_B":"Im an attorney but not from Georgia. This appears to be textbook voter suppression. If i were you i would send an email saying you cannot attend because you need the time to vote. Full stop. Then go vote. Your lawyer or union rep should then be able to put a stop to any attempt to sanction you. Your administration should be in a lot of trouble for pulling this. Do not let them take away your vote.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4106.0,"score_ratio":4.6468531469} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivlr7xv","c_root_id_B":"ivlt56l","created_at_utc_A":1667944726,"created_at_utc_B":1667945507,"score_A":722,"score_B":3987,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer - Election Protection\u2019s hotline for Georgia is: 1-866-OUR-VOTE (1-866-687-8683). They can provide advice, including legal advice.","human_ref_B":"Im an attorney but not from Georgia. This appears to be textbook voter suppression. If i were you i would send an email saying you cannot attend because you need the time to vote. Full stop. Then go vote. Your lawyer or union rep should then be able to put a stop to any attempt to sanction you. Your administration should be in a lot of trouble for pulling this. Do not let them take away your vote.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":781.0,"score_ratio":5.5221606648} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivle9ct","c_root_id_B":"ivlt56l","created_at_utc_A":1667939748,"created_at_utc_B":1667945507,"score_A":404,"score_B":3987,"human_ref_A":"In the US where?","human_ref_B":"Im an attorney but not from Georgia. This appears to be textbook voter suppression. If i were you i would send an email saying you cannot attend because you need the time to vote. Full stop. Then go vote. Your lawyer or union rep should then be able to put a stop to any attempt to sanction you. Your administration should be in a lot of trouble for pulling this. Do not let them take away your vote.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5759.0,"score_ratio":9.8688118812} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivleleq","c_root_id_B":"ivlt56l","created_at_utc_A":1667939873,"created_at_utc_B":1667945507,"score_A":303,"score_B":3987,"human_ref_A":"What state? \"US\" is not a valid location. We don't have one national election, we have 50 state elections (plus territories). I would call your union, if you have one, immediately. I would also call 866-OUR-VOTE and see what they suggest.","human_ref_B":"Im an attorney but not from Georgia. This appears to be textbook voter suppression. If i were you i would send an email saying you cannot attend because you need the time to vote. Full stop. Then go vote. Your lawyer or union rep should then be able to put a stop to any attempt to sanction you. Your administration should be in a lot of trouble for pulling this. Do not let them take away your vote.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5634.0,"score_ratio":13.1584158416} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivlgc0m","c_root_id_B":"ivlifjp","created_at_utc_A":1667940531,"created_at_utc_B":1667941325,"score_A":1667,"score_B":3389,"human_ref_A":"Are you part of a union at your school? Unless it\u2019s PTC or something like that a mandatory staff meeting at 6-8 pm is incredibly unreasonable. Contact your union president ASAP!!!","human_ref_B":"Call the GA attorney general: 888-532-0148","labels":0,"seconds_difference":794.0,"score_ratio":2.0329934013} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivle9ct","c_root_id_B":"ivlifjp","created_at_utc_A":1667939748,"created_at_utc_B":1667941325,"score_A":404,"score_B":3389,"human_ref_A":"In the US where?","human_ref_B":"Call the GA attorney general: 888-532-0148","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1577.0,"score_ratio":8.3886138614} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivlifjp","c_root_id_B":"ivleleq","created_at_utc_A":1667941325,"created_at_utc_B":1667939873,"score_A":3389,"score_B":303,"human_ref_A":"Call the GA attorney general: 888-532-0148","human_ref_B":"What state? \"US\" is not a valid location. We don't have one national election, we have 50 state elections (plus territories). I would call your union, if you have one, immediately. I would also call 866-OUR-VOTE and see what they suggest.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1452.0,"score_ratio":11.1848184818} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivluod5","c_root_id_B":"ivlgc0m","created_at_utc_A":1667946129,"created_at_utc_B":1667940531,"score_A":2094,"score_B":1667,"human_ref_A":"I would probably risk the disciplinary action, and then if they follow through, they will probably be subject to a lawsuit. If it was part of a plan or scheme, there will be records and emails of some kind. Those are usually accessible. It will backfire on them.","human_ref_B":"Are you part of a union at your school? Unless it\u2019s PTC or something like that a mandatory staff meeting at 6-8 pm is incredibly unreasonable. Contact your union president ASAP!!!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5598.0,"score_ratio":1.2561487702} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivluod5","c_root_id_B":"ivlimwf","created_at_utc_A":1667946129,"created_at_utc_B":1667941401,"score_A":2094,"score_B":858,"human_ref_A":"I would probably risk the disciplinary action, and then if they follow through, they will probably be subject to a lawsuit. If it was part of a plan or scheme, there will be records and emails of some kind. Those are usually accessible. It will backfire on them.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer but inform your boss that they legally can not withhold your right to vote and if they do not comply you will report them to your local voting office. It\u2019s ILLEGAL to withhold your right to vote.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4728.0,"score_ratio":2.4405594406} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivluod5","c_root_id_B":"ivlr7xv","created_at_utc_A":1667946129,"created_at_utc_B":1667944726,"score_A":2094,"score_B":722,"human_ref_A":"I would probably risk the disciplinary action, and then if they follow through, they will probably be subject to a lawsuit. If it was part of a plan or scheme, there will be records and emails of some kind. Those are usually accessible. It will backfire on them.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer - Election Protection\u2019s hotline for Georgia is: 1-866-OUR-VOTE (1-866-687-8683). They can provide advice, including legal advice.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1403.0,"score_ratio":2.9002770083} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivluod5","c_root_id_B":"ivle9ct","created_at_utc_A":1667946129,"created_at_utc_B":1667939748,"score_A":2094,"score_B":404,"human_ref_A":"I would probably risk the disciplinary action, and then if they follow through, they will probably be subject to a lawsuit. If it was part of a plan or scheme, there will be records and emails of some kind. Those are usually accessible. It will backfire on them.","human_ref_B":"In the US where?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6381.0,"score_ratio":5.1831683168} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivluod5","c_root_id_B":"ivleleq","created_at_utc_A":1667946129,"created_at_utc_B":1667939873,"score_A":2094,"score_B":303,"human_ref_A":"I would probably risk the disciplinary action, and then if they follow through, they will probably be subject to a lawsuit. If it was part of a plan or scheme, there will be records and emails of some kind. Those are usually accessible. It will backfire on them.","human_ref_B":"What state? \"US\" is not a valid location. We don't have one national election, we have 50 state elections (plus territories). I would call your union, if you have one, immediately. I would also call 866-OUR-VOTE and see what they suggest.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6256.0,"score_ratio":6.9108910891} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivlgc0m","c_root_id_B":"ivle9ct","created_at_utc_A":1667940531,"created_at_utc_B":1667939748,"score_A":1667,"score_B":404,"human_ref_A":"Are you part of a union at your school? Unless it\u2019s PTC or something like that a mandatory staff meeting at 6-8 pm is incredibly unreasonable. Contact your union president ASAP!!!","human_ref_B":"In the US where?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":783.0,"score_ratio":4.1262376238} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivlgc0m","c_root_id_B":"ivleleq","created_at_utc_A":1667940531,"created_at_utc_B":1667939873,"score_A":1667,"score_B":303,"human_ref_A":"Are you part of a union at your school? Unless it\u2019s PTC or something like that a mandatory staff meeting at 6-8 pm is incredibly unreasonable. Contact your union president ASAP!!!","human_ref_B":"What state? \"US\" is not a valid location. We don't have one national election, we have 50 state elections (plus territories). I would call your union, if you have one, immediately. I would also call 866-OUR-VOTE and see what they suggest.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":658.0,"score_ratio":5.501650165} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivlimwf","c_root_id_B":"ivle9ct","created_at_utc_A":1667941401,"created_at_utc_B":1667939748,"score_A":858,"score_B":404,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but inform your boss that they legally can not withhold your right to vote and if they do not comply you will report them to your local voting office. It\u2019s ILLEGAL to withhold your right to vote.","human_ref_B":"In the US where?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1653.0,"score_ratio":2.1237623762} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivlimwf","c_root_id_B":"ivleleq","created_at_utc_A":1667941401,"created_at_utc_B":1667939873,"score_A":858,"score_B":303,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but inform your boss that they legally can not withhold your right to vote and if they do not comply you will report them to your local voting office. It\u2019s ILLEGAL to withhold your right to vote.","human_ref_B":"What state? \"US\" is not a valid location. We don't have one national election, we have 50 state elections (plus territories). I would call your union, if you have one, immediately. I would also call 866-OUR-VOTE and see what they suggest.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1528.0,"score_ratio":2.8316831683} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivle9ct","c_root_id_B":"ivlr7xv","created_at_utc_A":1667939748,"created_at_utc_B":1667944726,"score_A":404,"score_B":722,"human_ref_A":"In the US where?","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer - Election Protection\u2019s hotline for Georgia is: 1-866-OUR-VOTE (1-866-687-8683). They can provide advice, including legal advice.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4978.0,"score_ratio":1.7871287129} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivleleq","c_root_id_B":"ivlr7xv","created_at_utc_A":1667939873,"created_at_utc_B":1667944726,"score_A":303,"score_B":722,"human_ref_A":"What state? \"US\" is not a valid location. We don't have one national election, we have 50 state elections (plus territories). I would call your union, if you have one, immediately. I would also call 866-OUR-VOTE and see what they suggest.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer - Election Protection\u2019s hotline for Georgia is: 1-866-OUR-VOTE (1-866-687-8683). They can provide advice, including legal advice.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4853.0,"score_ratio":2.3828382838} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivle9ct","c_root_id_B":"ivlw2s2","created_at_utc_A":1667939748,"created_at_utc_B":1667946699,"score_A":404,"score_B":472,"human_ref_A":"In the US where?","human_ref_B":"Voter suppression. In Georgia I think you legally get a certain number of hours to go vote. Politely tell your school you will not be able to make it because you need to visit your poll site. Save all your messages. Save any recordings, records, etc. If they threaten you after or try to take action, go to your union rep. Or go to an attorney.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6951.0,"score_ratio":1.1683168317} {"post_id":"ypxolf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My job is holding a mandatory meeting on election night preventing us from voting. Is this legal? I am a teacher in the US. Tonight is midterm election voting night. Other schools in my state have election day off. Not only did my school not give us the day off (fine, whatever), but they also scheduled a mandatory staff meeting from 6-8 tonight. They made it clear that this meeting is not optional and threatened us with disciplinary action should we not attend. I work very far from my only polling place and cannot make it there to vote and return in time for the meeting. The place will be long closed after the meeting ends. Many of my colleagues are in the same situation. Given that we were not given time during the day to vote, nor can we vote after work, this seems like a violation of our rights. That sounds extreme when I put it into words but is what my employer is doing to us legal?","c_root_id_A":"ivleleq","c_root_id_B":"ivlw2s2","created_at_utc_A":1667939873,"created_at_utc_B":1667946699,"score_A":303,"score_B":472,"human_ref_A":"What state? \"US\" is not a valid location. We don't have one national election, we have 50 state elections (plus territories). I would call your union, if you have one, immediately. I would also call 866-OUR-VOTE and see what they suggest.","human_ref_B":"Voter suppression. In Georgia I think you legally get a certain number of hours to go vote. Politely tell your school you will not be able to make it because you need to visit your poll site. Save all your messages. Save any recordings, records, etc. If they threaten you after or try to take action, go to your union rep. Or go to an attorney.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6826.0,"score_ratio":1.5577557756} {"post_id":"zljjb9","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Paid renters insurance with rent. previous neighbor flooded my unit and now insurance won't pay (OK) As the title states, I live in Oklahoma. Excuse the length and format. I want to touch all bases but also on mobile. I moved into an apartment and my lease states I must pay renter's insurance. They offered insurance as an add on to my rent and I've always paid it. The neighbor above me was evicted and she turned on all of her faucets and flooded my unit. My unit became inhabitable (per firefighters). At 1st my complex were dragging their feet on providing adequate housing for my children and I; there were no units and they ignored me when I asked for a hotel. I requested insurance information and that was a drag. Finally talk to and file my claim with insurance. My apartment complex put us into a new unit and is trying to charge me for the move (as if it was my choice). So I have to move because I can't afford it. This is what I've received from the insurance company in response to my claim: We are writing to provide an update on the above mentioned claim. We have finally received all documentation from the property. Our investigation has determined the damage was the result of deliberate acts of the resident of unit of [neighbor]. The resident of unit [neighbor] intentionally stopped up the drains and turned the faucets on, causing the water overflow which damaged your personal property items. The [insurance] policy contains language excluding damage caused by deliberate acts of the resident in the unit where the water discharge originated. Because deliberate or intentional acts are excluded in the policy, the [insurance] policy will not be able to provide coverage for your damaged personal property items. Is this right?? Deliberate acts weren't caused by *my* unit so I'm not understanding why I'm currently being punished. Can I personally file civil charges against previous neighbor? I do have a forwarding address (her adult daughter actually gave it to us) What is my next move? I've never dealt with anything like this. Now my children and I are facing homelessness because of a malicious act from someone else","c_root_id_A":"j05q92z","c_root_id_B":"j05o6yx","created_at_utc_A":1671000263,"created_at_utc_B":1670998813,"score_A":27,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Your insurance company should pay for your damaged property and go after her for reimbursement.","human_ref_B":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1450.0,"score_ratio":13.5} {"post_id":"zljjb9","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Paid renters insurance with rent. previous neighbor flooded my unit and now insurance won't pay (OK) As the title states, I live in Oklahoma. Excuse the length and format. I want to touch all bases but also on mobile. I moved into an apartment and my lease states I must pay renter's insurance. They offered insurance as an add on to my rent and I've always paid it. The neighbor above me was evicted and she turned on all of her faucets and flooded my unit. My unit became inhabitable (per firefighters). At 1st my complex were dragging their feet on providing adequate housing for my children and I; there were no units and they ignored me when I asked for a hotel. I requested insurance information and that was a drag. Finally talk to and file my claim with insurance. My apartment complex put us into a new unit and is trying to charge me for the move (as if it was my choice). So I have to move because I can't afford it. This is what I've received from the insurance company in response to my claim: We are writing to provide an update on the above mentioned claim. We have finally received all documentation from the property. Our investigation has determined the damage was the result of deliberate acts of the resident of unit of [neighbor]. The resident of unit [neighbor] intentionally stopped up the drains and turned the faucets on, causing the water overflow which damaged your personal property items. The [insurance] policy contains language excluding damage caused by deliberate acts of the resident in the unit where the water discharge originated. Because deliberate or intentional acts are excluded in the policy, the [insurance] policy will not be able to provide coverage for your damaged personal property items. Is this right?? Deliberate acts weren't caused by *my* unit so I'm not understanding why I'm currently being punished. Can I personally file civil charges against previous neighbor? I do have a forwarding address (her adult daughter actually gave it to us) What is my next move? I've never dealt with anything like this. Now my children and I are facing homelessness because of a malicious act from someone else","c_root_id_A":"j05o6yx","c_root_id_B":"j05zl7n","created_at_utc_A":1670998813,"created_at_utc_B":1671007572,"score_A":2,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","human_ref_B":"From the way I read it it excludes coverage for personal property in her unit since she deliberately caused it. YOU and your property should be covered since it was at no fault of yours. Fight this.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8759.0,"score_ratio":7.0} {"post_id":"zljjb9","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"Paid renters insurance with rent. previous neighbor flooded my unit and now insurance won't pay (OK) As the title states, I live in Oklahoma. Excuse the length and format. I want to touch all bases but also on mobile. I moved into an apartment and my lease states I must pay renter's insurance. They offered insurance as an add on to my rent and I've always paid it. The neighbor above me was evicted and she turned on all of her faucets and flooded my unit. My unit became inhabitable (per firefighters). At 1st my complex were dragging their feet on providing adequate housing for my children and I; there were no units and they ignored me when I asked for a hotel. I requested insurance information and that was a drag. Finally talk to and file my claim with insurance. My apartment complex put us into a new unit and is trying to charge me for the move (as if it was my choice). So I have to move because I can't afford it. This is what I've received from the insurance company in response to my claim: We are writing to provide an update on the above mentioned claim. We have finally received all documentation from the property. Our investigation has determined the damage was the result of deliberate acts of the resident of unit of [neighbor]. The resident of unit [neighbor] intentionally stopped up the drains and turned the faucets on, causing the water overflow which damaged your personal property items. The [insurance] policy contains language excluding damage caused by deliberate acts of the resident in the unit where the water discharge originated. Because deliberate or intentional acts are excluded in the policy, the [insurance] policy will not be able to provide coverage for your damaged personal property items. Is this right?? Deliberate acts weren't caused by *my* unit so I'm not understanding why I'm currently being punished. Can I personally file civil charges against previous neighbor? I do have a forwarding address (her adult daughter actually gave it to us) What is my next move? I've never dealt with anything like this. Now my children and I are facing homelessness because of a malicious act from someone else","c_root_id_A":"j06hmp0","c_root_id_B":"j05o6yx","created_at_utc_A":1671021585,"created_at_utc_B":1670998813,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Deliberate acts should be related only to coverage on you and acts you caused that damaged your property. Incidental damage of another party covered by the policy should be covered. Contact your states insurance commission on this. They are trying to squeeze out of having to pay.","human_ref_B":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22772.0,"score_ratio":2.5} {"post_id":"8san7h","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Seattle, WA- Mentally Disabled Neighbor has twice followed us to our front door and attempted to enter. What are our options? On Saturday, as we (me, husband, 1 year old daughter) were walking home from an event at the local elementary school, we noticed a man walking back and forth in the middle of an intersection. He saw us and changed direction to follow us. He followed us to our front door and attempted to open the door for several minutes while we called 911. The dispatcher told me a man matching that description had been reported missing from a home for the mentally disabled on the next street over. I requested an officer come speak with us, but they never did. I had to call our local police department back to even find out what was going on.   On Monday evening, we were playing with our daughter in our front yard and driveway when I noticed the same man shuffling down our street alone again. He heard us in the yard, turned and crossed the street towards our house, and again he went to our front door and attempted to open the door and look into our window. As soon as I saw him turn and head towards our driveway, we grabbed our daughter, told him to leave, and ran inside to call 911. Again, I requested an officer stop by, but 2 hours later we hadn't had any contact with an officer. I called the department again and was told he was taken back to his home and that our only option was to lock our doors and keep calling 911 when this happens.   I've spoken with our neighbors across the street (directly behind the man's house), and they said he moved in about 2-3 months ago and they've never seen him without an aide. When the police gave me his address I walked over to talk with his aide. The aide refused to give me any information about the agency he works for and denied that the man was ever alone that night. When I mentioned that our Ring doorbell had recorded both incidents, he got extremely defensive and closed the door in my face.   We don't know anything about this man, or what he is capable of, except that he is mentally disabled in some capacity. This has now been twice in 3 days and we are afraid to spend time outside (especially me home alone with the little one all day). What are our options here? Is our only option really to just keep calling 911 every time this happens? What if he manages to get into our home? Both incidents have been terrifying and we are so lost on what we can do about this. Thank you.","c_root_id_A":"e0y48h1","c_root_id_B":"e0ycbpy","created_at_utc_A":1529437195,"created_at_utc_B":1529443957,"score_A":45,"score_B":89,"human_ref_A":"I wonder if he thinks your house is where he lives since it\u2019s same position on street. I only mention it because it may ease a wee bit of your mind if you can figure he\u2019s not trying to come at people and it\u2019s more he thinks he lives there. Of course you can be sure and of course you need it to cease.","human_ref_B":"You need to keep calling the police every time. Just because the man hasn\u2019t broken in yet, doesn\u2019t mean that he won\u2019t in the future. This story is one that illustrates how dangerous these situations can be. I\u2019m not saying that you need to respond in the same manner as the writer, but if the man in your case goes into a house, this could well happen to him and it would be a tragedy for all involved. I might even bring this story up when you talk with Adult Protective Services. Maybe that would light a fire under their ass.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6762.0,"score_ratio":1.9777777778} {"post_id":"8san7h","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Seattle, WA- Mentally Disabled Neighbor has twice followed us to our front door and attempted to enter. What are our options? On Saturday, as we (me, husband, 1 year old daughter) were walking home from an event at the local elementary school, we noticed a man walking back and forth in the middle of an intersection. He saw us and changed direction to follow us. He followed us to our front door and attempted to open the door for several minutes while we called 911. The dispatcher told me a man matching that description had been reported missing from a home for the mentally disabled on the next street over. I requested an officer come speak with us, but they never did. I had to call our local police department back to even find out what was going on.   On Monday evening, we were playing with our daughter in our front yard and driveway when I noticed the same man shuffling down our street alone again. He heard us in the yard, turned and crossed the street towards our house, and again he went to our front door and attempted to open the door and look into our window. As soon as I saw him turn and head towards our driveway, we grabbed our daughter, told him to leave, and ran inside to call 911. Again, I requested an officer stop by, but 2 hours later we hadn't had any contact with an officer. I called the department again and was told he was taken back to his home and that our only option was to lock our doors and keep calling 911 when this happens.   I've spoken with our neighbors across the street (directly behind the man's house), and they said he moved in about 2-3 months ago and they've never seen him without an aide. When the police gave me his address I walked over to talk with his aide. The aide refused to give me any information about the agency he works for and denied that the man was ever alone that night. When I mentioned that our Ring doorbell had recorded both incidents, he got extremely defensive and closed the door in my face.   We don't know anything about this man, or what he is capable of, except that he is mentally disabled in some capacity. This has now been twice in 3 days and we are afraid to spend time outside (especially me home alone with the little one all day). What are our options here? Is our only option really to just keep calling 911 every time this happens? What if he manages to get into our home? Both incidents have been terrifying and we are so lost on what we can do about this. Thank you.","c_root_id_A":"e0y48h1","c_root_id_B":"e115ihn","created_at_utc_A":1529437195,"created_at_utc_B":1529554712,"score_A":45,"score_B":78,"human_ref_A":"I wonder if he thinks your house is where he lives since it\u2019s same position on street. I only mention it because it may ease a wee bit of your mind if you can figure he\u2019s not trying to come at people and it\u2019s more he thinks he lives there. Of course you can be sure and of course you need it to cease.","human_ref_B":"This thread is insane. I can not believe there is an entire conversation around possibly shooting, pepper spraying or tasering this man. He\u2019s a person. Hs hasn\u2019t actually physically threatened anyone. Yes he tried to open your door but a basic lock kept him out. He is not a master criminal out to hurt anyone. The police were able to manage him without issue so that tells you that he can communicate and be redirected. Just talk to him like an actual human. Just because he doesn\u2019t verbally respond doesn\u2019t mean he doesn\u2019t understand you. Maybe if you bother to talk to him he will stop coming onto your property or god forbid develop a relationship where you can help him stay safe. Mentally ill people are still people that deserve to be treated with dignity. Just talk to him and redirect. It seems the cops managed to do it twice without issue.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":117517.0,"score_ratio":1.7333333333} {"post_id":"8san7h","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Seattle, WA- Mentally Disabled Neighbor has twice followed us to our front door and attempted to enter. What are our options? On Saturday, as we (me, husband, 1 year old daughter) were walking home from an event at the local elementary school, we noticed a man walking back and forth in the middle of an intersection. He saw us and changed direction to follow us. He followed us to our front door and attempted to open the door for several minutes while we called 911. The dispatcher told me a man matching that description had been reported missing from a home for the mentally disabled on the next street over. I requested an officer come speak with us, but they never did. I had to call our local police department back to even find out what was going on.   On Monday evening, we were playing with our daughter in our front yard and driveway when I noticed the same man shuffling down our street alone again. He heard us in the yard, turned and crossed the street towards our house, and again he went to our front door and attempted to open the door and look into our window. As soon as I saw him turn and head towards our driveway, we grabbed our daughter, told him to leave, and ran inside to call 911. Again, I requested an officer stop by, but 2 hours later we hadn't had any contact with an officer. I called the department again and was told he was taken back to his home and that our only option was to lock our doors and keep calling 911 when this happens.   I've spoken with our neighbors across the street (directly behind the man's house), and they said he moved in about 2-3 months ago and they've never seen him without an aide. When the police gave me his address I walked over to talk with his aide. The aide refused to give me any information about the agency he works for and denied that the man was ever alone that night. When I mentioned that our Ring doorbell had recorded both incidents, he got extremely defensive and closed the door in my face.   We don't know anything about this man, or what he is capable of, except that he is mentally disabled in some capacity. This has now been twice in 3 days and we are afraid to spend time outside (especially me home alone with the little one all day). What are our options here? Is our only option really to just keep calling 911 every time this happens? What if he manages to get into our home? Both incidents have been terrifying and we are so lost on what we can do about this. Thank you.","c_root_id_A":"e115ihn","c_root_id_B":"e0ynphn","created_at_utc_A":1529554712,"created_at_utc_B":1529454970,"score_A":78,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"This thread is insane. I can not believe there is an entire conversation around possibly shooting, pepper spraying or tasering this man. He\u2019s a person. Hs hasn\u2019t actually physically threatened anyone. Yes he tried to open your door but a basic lock kept him out. He is not a master criminal out to hurt anyone. The police were able to manage him without issue so that tells you that he can communicate and be redirected. Just talk to him like an actual human. Just because he doesn\u2019t verbally respond doesn\u2019t mean he doesn\u2019t understand you. Maybe if you bother to talk to him he will stop coming onto your property or god forbid develop a relationship where you can help him stay safe. Mentally ill people are still people that deserve to be treated with dignity. Just talk to him and redirect. It seems the cops managed to do it twice without issue.","human_ref_B":"You can also try requesting a copy of the police report. This may also have more information such as the caregiver\u2019s name and possibly company he works for. You can call corporate to advise of him not being attended to properly. It sounds like this gentleman lives in a group home rather than that is his home? If so you can do a property record search to see who owns the house and that might lead you to the company responsible for his care. Once you find out the company caring for him I would send a letter to them outlining your concerns for both his safety and your family\u2019s.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":99742.0,"score_ratio":3.5454545455} {"post_id":"xqdv0a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My neighbor (1st floor) lets her dogs piss and poop on her balcony. I can't open my balcony's door (or go on it) without it smelling absolutely horrible. There's also a good amount of evidence that she smokes indoors, that the office has refused to action. Can I get out of my lease? USA:NV My girlfriend (also on the lease) has asthma. We've talked to the office multiple times about both issues and every time the response has been \"we'll send out a letter\", which they do. But both situations have been going on for a long time. Is the second-hand smoke danger (especially given her condition) enough to void a lease?","c_root_id_A":"iq8yacv","c_root_id_B":"iq91mfb","created_at_utc_A":1664380081,"created_at_utc_B":1664381384,"score_A":434,"score_B":573,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer https:\/\/www.leg.state.nv.us\/NRS\/NRS-118A.html#NRS118ASec290 I think NRS 118A.290(1)(g) applies for the dog waste. Dog waste is a health hazard. > (g) Building, grounds, appurtenances and all other areas under the landlord\u2019s control at the time of the commencement of the tenancy in every part clean, sanitary and reasonably free from all accumulations of debris, filth, rubbish, garbage, rodents, insects and vermin. I think you have a case about the second-hand smoke as well. I'd write management letters about these issues, dated, recording instances and their effects on you. Keep copies. They'll understand you're considering legal action or trying to move and that may motivate them to help the issue. They'd rather keep you than need to get a new tenant in. Edit: https:\/\/gethealthyclarkcounty.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/05\/sf-legal-issues-smoke-free-policies.pdf The section on Liability could be helpful for you.","human_ref_B":"Have you checked the lease you signed and see whether it has any health clauses that would allow you to cancel the lease without penalty? That would be my first step. I ran into a similar situation (also asthma and smoking neighbors in a supposedly non-smoking apartment complex) but in another state. In my lease it allowed breaking the lease without penalty with a doctor's note, which was easy to get, because I was having terrible asthma. And my doctor agreed I should move. The apartment complex allowed me to break the lease, and they even apologized. Next step would be to check your state's renters rights. For Nevada I see https:\/\/www.hud.gov\/states\/nevada\/renting\/tenantrights Under Landlord\/Tenant Law there is a clause that allows \"Right of tenant or cotenant to terminate lease due to physical (or mental) disability\". Asthma is considered a physical disability in the USA. Under this clause you can break your lease by proving she has asthma and then explaining why her treatment for it would require her to move. I would think a written doctor's note from her asthma doctor would be good enough for this, but ask your apartment complex what they will accept. In the meantime while you get this sorted out, I recommend blocking the vents airtight, and borrow or buy an ozone machine at some point and ozone all your stuff to get the smoke smell out. Ozone is toxic so be sure to ozone your stuff when no one and no pets are in the apartment. It took me several ozone treatments to get the smoke out of my stuff, and the worst of it, I had to sell those things because the smoke smell would not come out. Best of luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1303.0,"score_ratio":1.3202764977} {"post_id":"xqdv0a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My neighbor (1st floor) lets her dogs piss and poop on her balcony. I can't open my balcony's door (or go on it) without it smelling absolutely horrible. There's also a good amount of evidence that she smokes indoors, that the office has refused to action. Can I get out of my lease? USA:NV My girlfriend (also on the lease) has asthma. We've talked to the office multiple times about both issues and every time the response has been \"we'll send out a letter\", which they do. But both situations have been going on for a long time. Is the second-hand smoke danger (especially given her condition) enough to void a lease?","c_root_id_A":"iq936jw","c_root_id_B":"iq95k81","created_at_utc_A":1664381997,"created_at_utc_B":1664382921,"score_A":35,"score_B":61,"human_ref_A":"tell your apartment that you cannot have \"Peaceful and Private Enjoyment\" of your premises, there should be wording in NV or your city's laws about it. it's also a health hazard. eventually you could have a lawyer draft a letter. however, this could result in your lease not being renewed. I would call the management and tell them you want an action plan, and want to know why they haven't kicked a nuisance tenant out and when they are going to do so","human_ref_B":"Vegas local here. Look up your respective municipality (Clark county, City of Vegas, etc.) + \"code enforcement\" and report a violation. Keep documenting the occurrences, your actions (e.g., contacted office, etc.), and any outcomes (or lack thereof.) \"Contacted office on (date). Tenants did not respond and porch remains unusable due to odor and hygiene issues.\" Get a letter from your GF's doctor documenting her asthma and that second hand smoke is dangerous to her health. Send that information to them weekly. Request that you be moved to a different unit or that you be released from your lease. Be insistent.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":924.0,"score_ratio":1.7428571429} {"post_id":"xqdv0a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My neighbor (1st floor) lets her dogs piss and poop on her balcony. I can't open my balcony's door (or go on it) without it smelling absolutely horrible. There's also a good amount of evidence that she smokes indoors, that the office has refused to action. Can I get out of my lease? USA:NV My girlfriend (also on the lease) has asthma. We've talked to the office multiple times about both issues and every time the response has been \"we'll send out a letter\", which they do. But both situations have been going on for a long time. Is the second-hand smoke danger (especially given her condition) enough to void a lease?","c_root_id_A":"iq998m0","c_root_id_B":"iq936jw","created_at_utc_A":1664384346,"created_at_utc_B":1664381997,"score_A":56,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"property paralegal here in Las Vegas. Your lease automatically has a Built-in protection of the right of quiet enjoyment of the property that you rent. You are being deprived of quiet enjoyment of a square footage section of your unit (patio) and shouldn't have to pay for it if the landlords aren't willing to fix it. I would send something like that to the property management and owners. If you can get it typed up and sent by an attorney that would be even better.","human_ref_B":"tell your apartment that you cannot have \"Peaceful and Private Enjoyment\" of your premises, there should be wording in NV or your city's laws about it. it's also a health hazard. eventually you could have a lawyer draft a letter. however, this could result in your lease not being renewed. I would call the management and tell them you want an action plan, and want to know why they haven't kicked a nuisance tenant out and when they are going to do so","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2349.0,"score_ratio":1.6} {"post_id":"3n24d6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"UPDATE: Company car I was driving was hit by a drunk driver. Insurance fully paid for the car but the company says I still owe them $40,000 CA] Original post [here. The tl;dr version is that I was almost killed by a drunk driver while I was driving a company car. His insurance paid the blue book value ($40,000) to the company but I was sent to collections and told that I owed them $40,000 for the car because I didn't return it to them in the condition which they gave it to me. No one at the company or the collections agency would help me and they just sent me back and forth (company told me to talk to collections, collections told me to talk to the company) so I ended up getting a lawyer because the stress of being hounded by collections was setting back my recovery. The lawyer sent a very strongly worded letter to someone high up that I couldn't reach myself because I kept getting the run around. That person didn't know anything about it and the company launched an investigation. The three people who kept giving me the run around ended up being charged with fraud and a bunch of other stuff. I don't know much but the police say they have emails and they think the 3 were planning on keeping the payment for themselves since the company was already paid. They are also in trouble for fraudulently using company resources to send me to collections for a fake debt. Afterward my company wrote me a letter of apology. They paid the costs for my lawyer and made sure the debt was removed from my record. They also made a donation to a charity of my choice. I am nearly ready to return to work but they told me to take as much time as I need. After talking with the police I believe the higher ups were not aware because the police say the 3 were trying to keep it a secret. The drunk driver\u2019s insurance is paying all my bills related to the incident so I won\u2019t have debt from this ever. All in all I am doing much better. I would like to thank \/r\/legaladvice and everyone who offered advice and encouragement and sent me supportive messages. You were all so helpful and I appreciate it :)","c_root_id_A":"cvk6nwk","c_root_id_B":"cvk6rlb","created_at_utc_A":1443673928,"created_at_utc_B":1443674169,"score_A":21,"score_B":181,"human_ref_A":"Wow, fuck those guys. And what the fuck did they think, that you had $40,000 just chilling in the bank?","human_ref_B":"I remember your first post. Excellent result all round. I have to confess that none of the responders (me included) considered the possibility that you were dealing with seriously dishonest (but ultimately stupid) employees.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":241.0,"score_ratio":8.619047619} {"post_id":"3n24d6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"UPDATE: Company car I was driving was hit by a drunk driver. Insurance fully paid for the car but the company says I still owe them $40,000 CA] Original post [here. The tl;dr version is that I was almost killed by a drunk driver while I was driving a company car. His insurance paid the blue book value ($40,000) to the company but I was sent to collections and told that I owed them $40,000 for the car because I didn't return it to them in the condition which they gave it to me. No one at the company or the collections agency would help me and they just sent me back and forth (company told me to talk to collections, collections told me to talk to the company) so I ended up getting a lawyer because the stress of being hounded by collections was setting back my recovery. The lawyer sent a very strongly worded letter to someone high up that I couldn't reach myself because I kept getting the run around. That person didn't know anything about it and the company launched an investigation. The three people who kept giving me the run around ended up being charged with fraud and a bunch of other stuff. I don't know much but the police say they have emails and they think the 3 were planning on keeping the payment for themselves since the company was already paid. They are also in trouble for fraudulently using company resources to send me to collections for a fake debt. Afterward my company wrote me a letter of apology. They paid the costs for my lawyer and made sure the debt was removed from my record. They also made a donation to a charity of my choice. I am nearly ready to return to work but they told me to take as much time as I need. After talking with the police I believe the higher ups were not aware because the police say the 3 were trying to keep it a secret. The drunk driver\u2019s insurance is paying all my bills related to the incident so I won\u2019t have debt from this ever. All in all I am doing much better. I would like to thank \/r\/legaladvice and everyone who offered advice and encouragement and sent me supportive messages. You were all so helpful and I appreciate it :)","c_root_id_A":"cvk9tbv","c_root_id_B":"cvk6vqp","created_at_utc_A":1443682905,"created_at_utc_B":1443674437,"score_A":113,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"*And they would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those Redditing kids.*","human_ref_B":"Thank you for the update, I am certain this would be good \/r\/justiceporn material as well.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8468.0,"score_ratio":5.1363636364} {"post_id":"3n24d6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"UPDATE: Company car I was driving was hit by a drunk driver. Insurance fully paid for the car but the company says I still owe them $40,000 CA] Original post [here. The tl;dr version is that I was almost killed by a drunk driver while I was driving a company car. His insurance paid the blue book value ($40,000) to the company but I was sent to collections and told that I owed them $40,000 for the car because I didn't return it to them in the condition which they gave it to me. No one at the company or the collections agency would help me and they just sent me back and forth (company told me to talk to collections, collections told me to talk to the company) so I ended up getting a lawyer because the stress of being hounded by collections was setting back my recovery. The lawyer sent a very strongly worded letter to someone high up that I couldn't reach myself because I kept getting the run around. That person didn't know anything about it and the company launched an investigation. The three people who kept giving me the run around ended up being charged with fraud and a bunch of other stuff. I don't know much but the police say they have emails and they think the 3 were planning on keeping the payment for themselves since the company was already paid. They are also in trouble for fraudulently using company resources to send me to collections for a fake debt. Afterward my company wrote me a letter of apology. They paid the costs for my lawyer and made sure the debt was removed from my record. They also made a donation to a charity of my choice. I am nearly ready to return to work but they told me to take as much time as I need. After talking with the police I believe the higher ups were not aware because the police say the 3 were trying to keep it a secret. The drunk driver\u2019s insurance is paying all my bills related to the incident so I won\u2019t have debt from this ever. All in all I am doing much better. I would like to thank \/r\/legaladvice and everyone who offered advice and encouragement and sent me supportive messages. You were all so helpful and I appreciate it :)","c_root_id_A":"cvk9tbv","c_root_id_B":"cvk6nwk","created_at_utc_A":1443682905,"created_at_utc_B":1443673928,"score_A":113,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"*And they would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those Redditing kids.*","human_ref_B":"Wow, fuck those guys. And what the fuck did they think, that you had $40,000 just chilling in the bank?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8977.0,"score_ratio":5.380952381} {"post_id":"3n24d6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"UPDATE: Company car I was driving was hit by a drunk driver. Insurance fully paid for the car but the company says I still owe them $40,000 CA] Original post [here. The tl;dr version is that I was almost killed by a drunk driver while I was driving a company car. His insurance paid the blue book value ($40,000) to the company but I was sent to collections and told that I owed them $40,000 for the car because I didn't return it to them in the condition which they gave it to me. No one at the company or the collections agency would help me and they just sent me back and forth (company told me to talk to collections, collections told me to talk to the company) so I ended up getting a lawyer because the stress of being hounded by collections was setting back my recovery. The lawyer sent a very strongly worded letter to someone high up that I couldn't reach myself because I kept getting the run around. That person didn't know anything about it and the company launched an investigation. The three people who kept giving me the run around ended up being charged with fraud and a bunch of other stuff. I don't know much but the police say they have emails and they think the 3 were planning on keeping the payment for themselves since the company was already paid. They are also in trouble for fraudulently using company resources to send me to collections for a fake debt. Afterward my company wrote me a letter of apology. They paid the costs for my lawyer and made sure the debt was removed from my record. They also made a donation to a charity of my choice. I am nearly ready to return to work but they told me to take as much time as I need. After talking with the police I believe the higher ups were not aware because the police say the 3 were trying to keep it a secret. The drunk driver\u2019s insurance is paying all my bills related to the incident so I won\u2019t have debt from this ever. All in all I am doing much better. I would like to thank \/r\/legaladvice and everyone who offered advice and encouragement and sent me supportive messages. You were all so helpful and I appreciate it :)","c_root_id_A":"cvk6vqp","c_root_id_B":"cvk6nwk","created_at_utc_A":1443674437,"created_at_utc_B":1443673928,"score_A":22,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"Thank you for the update, I am certain this would be good \/r\/justiceporn material as well.","human_ref_B":"Wow, fuck those guys. And what the fuck did they think, that you had $40,000 just chilling in the bank?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":509.0,"score_ratio":1.0476190476} {"post_id":"9vid3v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"My son is a middle school student and I was told by school officials that he was removed from his math teacher's classroom because they felt that she was \"out to get him\" by unfairly giving him a failing grade. My son is a public middle school student in VA who's always gotten A's and B's. However this first quarter in Math (algebra) he received an F. He's always done well in math before. I was unaware of this grade until I got a call from his school guidance counselor informing me that he was removed from this teacher's classroom because it was their belief that this teacher was, and I quote, \"out to get him.\" Apparently there's issues with how this teacher is grading his work and also something about the time she's taking in her grading. As many of you may remember, in middle school algebra it was always important to show your work and what you did on each side of the equal sign. It seems this teacher was applying very strict standards to him. If he failed to show one aspect of how he solved the problem, he got a zero on it. Even if the answer was correct. If I remember from back in my day, it was never like that when I was in middle school. You got points deducted, but never a zero. Judging by how swiftly he was removed from the classroom, I'm guessing these high standards weren't applied to everyone. This issue came to attention because my son, having yet received another F on a test, asked to speak to a teacher who is there to help students on IEPs. I should add that IEP stands for Individualized Educational Program. It's basically special education for his ADHD that allows him to get more individual attention from other teachers. This teacher immediately took issue with what she saw and contacted the school guidance counselor. I have a meeting next week with the principal to discuss the issue in more detail. My question is what are reasonable demands to rectify this situation and do I have any rights to demand anything? I was literally told by a school official that they thought this adult was \"out to get\" my child. Should I demand she be fired or moved to another school? How can she be trusted not to do this to another student? How can I trust her in the same building as my son? What if he were to find himself somewhere alone with her. If she's willing to unfairly ruin his academic record then how far is she willing to take it? Should I consider her presence to be a liability to him? What are my rights concerning having his grade changed? He got an F from someone they felt were so biased they immediately had him removed from her classroom. There's no way this grade should be allowed to stand, right? I want to reiterate that this isn't a case of some helicopter parent being upset at a strict teacher. This all occurred before I was ever made aware of the situation. Other school officials came to a conclusion that he was being unfairly treated and removed him from her class before I ever received a phone call. I'm also upset because I reach out to every teacher at the beginning of the school year and ask that if there are any issues to please contact me so i felt I should have been made aware of the failing grade before the quarter was over. I also met with a couple of his teachers several weeks ago as part of his IEP. This teacher did not show up. I then assumed everything was ok since he was doing fine everywhere else. I actually recorded the phone conversation where they said they felt like this teacher was out to get him. Should I possibly even consider a lawsuit since this person was basically using their position of authority to passive aggressively bully my child by unfairly ruining his academic record?","c_root_id_A":"e9cr6s6","c_root_id_B":"e9cmfw8","created_at_utc_A":1541766087,"created_at_utc_B":1541758817,"score_A":24,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer - am a teacher. If your child has an IEP and it is not being followed then that could be the reason your child is being removed from that class. Since the IEP is a legal document protecting your child and ensuring certain things are done to provide an appropriate education while meeting his needs - the school\/resource teacher could have dropped the ball on ensuring the teacher was informed of the IEP. Or, the teacher could be knowingly violating that document and in which case it can be reported to the state board of education (at least in Illinois). Either way I would ask for an immediate meeting to review the IEP. The school has to comply (at least in Illinois). Come prepared with will questions, concerns, his accommodations, etc. I would be very concerned that his resource teacher (case manager for the IEP) had not reached out by midterms to make you aware of the problem. Or more importantly, have addressed this problem by then. Unless the caseload is astronomical, there really is no reason that should not have happened. Even with a big caseload the bare minimum is looking at a weekly grade report or speaking with the teacher to find out current standing of the student. Note: It is still likely that what they say about the teacher is true. I just would ask for a meeting ASAP with all parties involved to get the full story from everyone while they are in the same room. I often find that really gets to the bottom of things.","human_ref_B":"Nal here. Whatever is happening, make sure that your son is keeping up with the class material on his own. There are great YouTube math lessons and apps for middle school math. Don't let a bad teacher's drama set him back.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7270.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143} {"post_id":"9vid3v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"My son is a middle school student and I was told by school officials that he was removed from his math teacher's classroom because they felt that she was \"out to get him\" by unfairly giving him a failing grade. My son is a public middle school student in VA who's always gotten A's and B's. However this first quarter in Math (algebra) he received an F. He's always done well in math before. I was unaware of this grade until I got a call from his school guidance counselor informing me that he was removed from this teacher's classroom because it was their belief that this teacher was, and I quote, \"out to get him.\" Apparently there's issues with how this teacher is grading his work and also something about the time she's taking in her grading. As many of you may remember, in middle school algebra it was always important to show your work and what you did on each side of the equal sign. It seems this teacher was applying very strict standards to him. If he failed to show one aspect of how he solved the problem, he got a zero on it. Even if the answer was correct. If I remember from back in my day, it was never like that when I was in middle school. You got points deducted, but never a zero. Judging by how swiftly he was removed from the classroom, I'm guessing these high standards weren't applied to everyone. This issue came to attention because my son, having yet received another F on a test, asked to speak to a teacher who is there to help students on IEPs. I should add that IEP stands for Individualized Educational Program. It's basically special education for his ADHD that allows him to get more individual attention from other teachers. This teacher immediately took issue with what she saw and contacted the school guidance counselor. I have a meeting next week with the principal to discuss the issue in more detail. My question is what are reasonable demands to rectify this situation and do I have any rights to demand anything? I was literally told by a school official that they thought this adult was \"out to get\" my child. Should I demand she be fired or moved to another school? How can she be trusted not to do this to another student? How can I trust her in the same building as my son? What if he were to find himself somewhere alone with her. If she's willing to unfairly ruin his academic record then how far is she willing to take it? Should I consider her presence to be a liability to him? What are my rights concerning having his grade changed? He got an F from someone they felt were so biased they immediately had him removed from her classroom. There's no way this grade should be allowed to stand, right? I want to reiterate that this isn't a case of some helicopter parent being upset at a strict teacher. This all occurred before I was ever made aware of the situation. Other school officials came to a conclusion that he was being unfairly treated and removed him from her class before I ever received a phone call. I'm also upset because I reach out to every teacher at the beginning of the school year and ask that if there are any issues to please contact me so i felt I should have been made aware of the failing grade before the quarter was over. I also met with a couple of his teachers several weeks ago as part of his IEP. This teacher did not show up. I then assumed everything was ok since he was doing fine everywhere else. I actually recorded the phone conversation where they said they felt like this teacher was out to get him. Should I possibly even consider a lawsuit since this person was basically using their position of authority to passive aggressively bully my child by unfairly ruining his academic record?","c_root_id_A":"e9d9d6k","c_root_id_B":"e9cmfw8","created_at_utc_A":1541782823,"created_at_utc_B":1541758817,"score_A":15,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, but my wife is a teacher. Sorry for this junky situation, you must feel helpless and that you failed to protect your son adequately. That said, I think your first order should be getting your son's grade rectified. The options appear to be: * Be transferred to another class midway through the semester with an F *(unacceptable)* * Be transferred to another class midway through the semester with a blank slate *(not ideal)* * Have his homework, quizzes and tests be re-graded *(seems reasonable, but by who and to what standards?)* * Take an \"Incomplete\" and retake it next semester *(seems unfair given the work he put in)* This needs to be discussed, agreed upon under no uncertain terms, and documented in a meeting. The people present in the meeting should at the least be: * Yourself and some support (significant other, your parent, whatever is applicable - for emotional support, someone to have your back so you're not alone, someone to catch something you might overlook given the stressful situation, etc.) * Guidance counselor * IEP Teacher * Principal * Potential future algebra teacher You guys may be able to hammer out an amicable solution. Having multiple representatives from different fields helps keep accountability (as opposed to a meeting with just you, the principal and the garbage teacher, for example). As for the teacher. You have potential unions and contracts and tenure working against you. And principals and school districts that want to avoid lawsuits\/bad publicity. Like I said, I'm not a lawyer but if you want to go this route, be prepared to dig in. However, you should definitely ask the principal what will be done with this teacher, or what will change in the system to ensure this won't happen again. Perhaps this answer will shape how you feel about going forward. Edit: Curriculum have changed since our day. Like you mentioned, partial credit should be applied when appropriate. If the garbage teacher or principal try to defend the 0s, don't hesitate to mention that you were told by school faculty that this teacher was \"Out to get\" your son, which is not part of any curriculum. Also, >I actually recorded the phone conversation where they said they felt like this teacher was out to get him Virginia Code \u00a7 19.2-62 states that Virginia is a one party consent state, which means as long as one party consents to a recording (you) it is totally legal to record your phone conversations","human_ref_B":"Nal here. Whatever is happening, make sure that your son is keeping up with the class material on his own. There are great YouTube math lessons and apps for middle school math. Don't let a bad teacher's drama set him back.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24006.0,"score_ratio":1.0714285714} {"post_id":"9vid3v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"My son is a middle school student and I was told by school officials that he was removed from his math teacher's classroom because they felt that she was \"out to get him\" by unfairly giving him a failing grade. My son is a public middle school student in VA who's always gotten A's and B's. However this first quarter in Math (algebra) he received an F. He's always done well in math before. I was unaware of this grade until I got a call from his school guidance counselor informing me that he was removed from this teacher's classroom because it was their belief that this teacher was, and I quote, \"out to get him.\" Apparently there's issues with how this teacher is grading his work and also something about the time she's taking in her grading. As many of you may remember, in middle school algebra it was always important to show your work and what you did on each side of the equal sign. It seems this teacher was applying very strict standards to him. If he failed to show one aspect of how he solved the problem, he got a zero on it. Even if the answer was correct. If I remember from back in my day, it was never like that when I was in middle school. You got points deducted, but never a zero. Judging by how swiftly he was removed from the classroom, I'm guessing these high standards weren't applied to everyone. This issue came to attention because my son, having yet received another F on a test, asked to speak to a teacher who is there to help students on IEPs. I should add that IEP stands for Individualized Educational Program. It's basically special education for his ADHD that allows him to get more individual attention from other teachers. This teacher immediately took issue with what she saw and contacted the school guidance counselor. I have a meeting next week with the principal to discuss the issue in more detail. My question is what are reasonable demands to rectify this situation and do I have any rights to demand anything? I was literally told by a school official that they thought this adult was \"out to get\" my child. Should I demand she be fired or moved to another school? How can she be trusted not to do this to another student? How can I trust her in the same building as my son? What if he were to find himself somewhere alone with her. If she's willing to unfairly ruin his academic record then how far is she willing to take it? Should I consider her presence to be a liability to him? What are my rights concerning having his grade changed? He got an F from someone they felt were so biased they immediately had him removed from her classroom. There's no way this grade should be allowed to stand, right? I want to reiterate that this isn't a case of some helicopter parent being upset at a strict teacher. This all occurred before I was ever made aware of the situation. Other school officials came to a conclusion that he was being unfairly treated and removed him from her class before I ever received a phone call. I'm also upset because I reach out to every teacher at the beginning of the school year and ask that if there are any issues to please contact me so i felt I should have been made aware of the failing grade before the quarter was over. I also met with a couple of his teachers several weeks ago as part of his IEP. This teacher did not show up. I then assumed everything was ok since he was doing fine everywhere else. I actually recorded the phone conversation where they said they felt like this teacher was out to get him. Should I possibly even consider a lawsuit since this person was basically using their position of authority to passive aggressively bully my child by unfairly ruining his academic record?","c_root_id_A":"e9cverf","c_root_id_B":"e9d9d6k","created_at_utc_A":1541770837,"created_at_utc_B":1541782823,"score_A":7,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"> How can I trust her in the same building as my son? What if he were to find himself somewhere alone with her I\u2019m not sure what your concern is, here? Doesn\u2019t sound like anything violent or indecent is alleged. An old-school teaching method was to hold high potential kids \u201cmore accountable\u201d than others. In other words, each kid isn\u2019t graded against each other, they\u2019re graded against themselves. It was more often done in more subjective classes like English than maths, where there\u2019s more leeway. I understand the teacher\u2019s perspective here, as a kid who used to do everything in his head. If you don\u2019t write out the steps you use and get the question wrong, the teacher can\u2019t see where you went wrong to help you fix it in the future. Since math builds on itself, training yourself to write it out is important. But it sounds like he\u2019s been pulled from the class and is going to get individualized education on the subject. You should have a meeting with the principle and the teacher about this, but it sounds like the school knows there is an issue with this teacher and is working to remedy it. Did the counselor say your kid thought the teacher was out to get him, or did the counselor say the school thinks the teacher was out to get him?","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but my wife is a teacher. Sorry for this junky situation, you must feel helpless and that you failed to protect your son adequately. That said, I think your first order should be getting your son's grade rectified. The options appear to be: * Be transferred to another class midway through the semester with an F *(unacceptable)* * Be transferred to another class midway through the semester with a blank slate *(not ideal)* * Have his homework, quizzes and tests be re-graded *(seems reasonable, but by who and to what standards?)* * Take an \"Incomplete\" and retake it next semester *(seems unfair given the work he put in)* This needs to be discussed, agreed upon under no uncertain terms, and documented in a meeting. The people present in the meeting should at the least be: * Yourself and some support (significant other, your parent, whatever is applicable - for emotional support, someone to have your back so you're not alone, someone to catch something you might overlook given the stressful situation, etc.) * Guidance counselor * IEP Teacher * Principal * Potential future algebra teacher You guys may be able to hammer out an amicable solution. Having multiple representatives from different fields helps keep accountability (as opposed to a meeting with just you, the principal and the garbage teacher, for example). As for the teacher. You have potential unions and contracts and tenure working against you. And principals and school districts that want to avoid lawsuits\/bad publicity. Like I said, I'm not a lawyer but if you want to go this route, be prepared to dig in. However, you should definitely ask the principal what will be done with this teacher, or what will change in the system to ensure this won't happen again. Perhaps this answer will shape how you feel about going forward. Edit: Curriculum have changed since our day. Like you mentioned, partial credit should be applied when appropriate. If the garbage teacher or principal try to defend the 0s, don't hesitate to mention that you were told by school faculty that this teacher was \"Out to get\" your son, which is not part of any curriculum. Also, >I actually recorded the phone conversation where they said they felt like this teacher was out to get him Virginia Code \u00a7 19.2-62 states that Virginia is a one party consent state, which means as long as one party consents to a recording (you) it is totally legal to record your phone conversations","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11986.0,"score_ratio":2.1428571429} {"post_id":"9vid3v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"My son is a middle school student and I was told by school officials that he was removed from his math teacher's classroom because they felt that she was \"out to get him\" by unfairly giving him a failing grade. My son is a public middle school student in VA who's always gotten A's and B's. However this first quarter in Math (algebra) he received an F. He's always done well in math before. I was unaware of this grade until I got a call from his school guidance counselor informing me that he was removed from this teacher's classroom because it was their belief that this teacher was, and I quote, \"out to get him.\" Apparently there's issues with how this teacher is grading his work and also something about the time she's taking in her grading. As many of you may remember, in middle school algebra it was always important to show your work and what you did on each side of the equal sign. It seems this teacher was applying very strict standards to him. If he failed to show one aspect of how he solved the problem, he got a zero on it. Even if the answer was correct. If I remember from back in my day, it was never like that when I was in middle school. You got points deducted, but never a zero. Judging by how swiftly he was removed from the classroom, I'm guessing these high standards weren't applied to everyone. This issue came to attention because my son, having yet received another F on a test, asked to speak to a teacher who is there to help students on IEPs. I should add that IEP stands for Individualized Educational Program. It's basically special education for his ADHD that allows him to get more individual attention from other teachers. This teacher immediately took issue with what she saw and contacted the school guidance counselor. I have a meeting next week with the principal to discuss the issue in more detail. My question is what are reasonable demands to rectify this situation and do I have any rights to demand anything? I was literally told by a school official that they thought this adult was \"out to get\" my child. Should I demand she be fired or moved to another school? How can she be trusted not to do this to another student? How can I trust her in the same building as my son? What if he were to find himself somewhere alone with her. If she's willing to unfairly ruin his academic record then how far is she willing to take it? Should I consider her presence to be a liability to him? What are my rights concerning having his grade changed? He got an F from someone they felt were so biased they immediately had him removed from her classroom. There's no way this grade should be allowed to stand, right? I want to reiterate that this isn't a case of some helicopter parent being upset at a strict teacher. This all occurred before I was ever made aware of the situation. Other school officials came to a conclusion that he was being unfairly treated and removed him from her class before I ever received a phone call. I'm also upset because I reach out to every teacher at the beginning of the school year and ask that if there are any issues to please contact me so i felt I should have been made aware of the failing grade before the quarter was over. I also met with a couple of his teachers several weeks ago as part of his IEP. This teacher did not show up. I then assumed everything was ok since he was doing fine everywhere else. I actually recorded the phone conversation where they said they felt like this teacher was out to get him. Should I possibly even consider a lawsuit since this person was basically using their position of authority to passive aggressively bully my child by unfairly ruining his academic record?","c_root_id_A":"e9d03jd","c_root_id_B":"e9d9d6k","created_at_utc_A":1541775188,"created_at_utc_B":1541782823,"score_A":7,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Nal, not really legal advice but... you should find out who this teacher is and see if you or your childs other parent kniw them. The teacher may have a personal grudge against one of you. If you uncover something like this it may help. This person should not be allowed around children.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but my wife is a teacher. Sorry for this junky situation, you must feel helpless and that you failed to protect your son adequately. That said, I think your first order should be getting your son's grade rectified. The options appear to be: * Be transferred to another class midway through the semester with an F *(unacceptable)* * Be transferred to another class midway through the semester with a blank slate *(not ideal)* * Have his homework, quizzes and tests be re-graded *(seems reasonable, but by who and to what standards?)* * Take an \"Incomplete\" and retake it next semester *(seems unfair given the work he put in)* This needs to be discussed, agreed upon under no uncertain terms, and documented in a meeting. The people present in the meeting should at the least be: * Yourself and some support (significant other, your parent, whatever is applicable - for emotional support, someone to have your back so you're not alone, someone to catch something you might overlook given the stressful situation, etc.) * Guidance counselor * IEP Teacher * Principal * Potential future algebra teacher You guys may be able to hammer out an amicable solution. Having multiple representatives from different fields helps keep accountability (as opposed to a meeting with just you, the principal and the garbage teacher, for example). As for the teacher. You have potential unions and contracts and tenure working against you. And principals and school districts that want to avoid lawsuits\/bad publicity. Like I said, I'm not a lawyer but if you want to go this route, be prepared to dig in. However, you should definitely ask the principal what will be done with this teacher, or what will change in the system to ensure this won't happen again. Perhaps this answer will shape how you feel about going forward. Edit: Curriculum have changed since our day. Like you mentioned, partial credit should be applied when appropriate. If the garbage teacher or principal try to defend the 0s, don't hesitate to mention that you were told by school faculty that this teacher was \"Out to get\" your son, which is not part of any curriculum. Also, >I actually recorded the phone conversation where they said they felt like this teacher was out to get him Virginia Code \u00a7 19.2-62 states that Virginia is a one party consent state, which means as long as one party consents to a recording (you) it is totally legal to record your phone conversations","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7635.0,"score_ratio":2.1428571429} {"post_id":"ywyyew","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"My uncle destroyed my $2500 server when I was at college. I go to college an hour and a half away from my moms house. I live on campus full time but come home every few months to check on stuff. I had a $2500 server for some home projects, and my old work stuff running at my moms house. I\u2019ve been paying her for the electricity it uses while I was away at college, but we didn\u2019t have an official agreement about this, so it\u2019s been basically entirely off the books. I just came home yesterday and found out my mom asked my uncle come over to recycle my server for scrap because she thought it was \u201ctoo loud, and using too much electricity\u201d. I\u2019m beyond pissed off, and I\u2019m curious about if I can take legal action to recover some of the lost money I put into this server. It housed about 6TB worth of my projects, I have no backups, and I put a lot of time into setting it up. Would this be considered intellectual property? Does anyone have any idea what I could do legally? I would really appreciate it!","c_root_id_A":"iwly9u6","c_root_id_B":"iwlyrv7","created_at_utc_A":1668617747,"created_at_utc_B":1668617946,"score_A":369,"score_B":452,"human_ref_A":"You may be able to sue mom for the value of your server as it was at the time of loss. That would be used value, not what you paid for it. Your lack of backups, sadly in this case, is undoubtedly on you. Obviously suing mom may have consequences in terms of your access to her home or any assistance she may provide with college.","human_ref_B":"What is your location? You should have an easy case for a lawsuit, at least for the (realistic) value of the hardware - you need to consider the age of the hardware in valuating it. The data would be harder to sue for; if you can quantify the value of the lost data you can include it. (Assuming, of course, that it's no longer possible to get anything of the server back - I'm guessing it's all either been sold or destroyed?) Now - your uncle isn't really the one that you'd be suing, though - while you could *also* sue him, the one who had your server destroyed was your mother. Suing a parent is always a difficult prospect - not necessarily from a legal perspective but from an emotional and relationship one. Usually suing a parent means an end to a cordial relationship with them; so you have to weigh the value of the server against what happens to your relationship with someone you sue.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":199.0,"score_ratio":1.2249322493} {"post_id":"ywyyew","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"My uncle destroyed my $2500 server when I was at college. I go to college an hour and a half away from my moms house. I live on campus full time but come home every few months to check on stuff. I had a $2500 server for some home projects, and my old work stuff running at my moms house. I\u2019ve been paying her for the electricity it uses while I was away at college, but we didn\u2019t have an official agreement about this, so it\u2019s been basically entirely off the books. I just came home yesterday and found out my mom asked my uncle come over to recycle my server for scrap because she thought it was \u201ctoo loud, and using too much electricity\u201d. I\u2019m beyond pissed off, and I\u2019m curious about if I can take legal action to recover some of the lost money I put into this server. It housed about 6TB worth of my projects, I have no backups, and I put a lot of time into setting it up. Would this be considered intellectual property? Does anyone have any idea what I could do legally? I would really appreciate it!","c_root_id_A":"iwn2c1y","c_root_id_B":"iwp27a1","created_at_utc_A":1668633589,"created_at_utc_B":1668670429,"score_A":12,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"The lack of backups is on you. Use github next time. You can sue for the cost of the server","human_ref_B":"You really want to sue your mother, as you have no action against your uncle, he was simply acting on behalf of your mother. Why didn't she call you, as she knew if it was yours before unplugging and having it removed? Also, you would have to show what was on there and demonstrate its worth to someone who you may sell it to. and they would have to testify to its worth. This is a hard way of learning, you should have kept it where YOU could watch it, unfortunately.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":36840.0,"score_ratio":1.25} {"post_id":"ywyyew","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"My uncle destroyed my $2500 server when I was at college. I go to college an hour and a half away from my moms house. I live on campus full time but come home every few months to check on stuff. I had a $2500 server for some home projects, and my old work stuff running at my moms house. I\u2019ve been paying her for the electricity it uses while I was away at college, but we didn\u2019t have an official agreement about this, so it\u2019s been basically entirely off the books. I just came home yesterday and found out my mom asked my uncle come over to recycle my server for scrap because she thought it was \u201ctoo loud, and using too much electricity\u201d. I\u2019m beyond pissed off, and I\u2019m curious about if I can take legal action to recover some of the lost money I put into this server. It housed about 6TB worth of my projects, I have no backups, and I put a lot of time into setting it up. Would this be considered intellectual property? Does anyone have any idea what I could do legally? I would really appreciate it!","c_root_id_A":"iwpshr7","c_root_id_B":"iwq5ma0","created_at_utc_A":1668690936,"created_at_utc_B":1668697182,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Did you have any PII on that server? If you did you really need to find out what happened with it and get some credit monitoring if you don't have any already.","human_ref_B":"You could sue your mother in small claims court for the cost of the server, legal fees, and you may even be able to sue for loss of data depending on the state. However, if your relationship with your mother has never been very good, and there's a chance you may become a pariah to the family from members whom you are on good terms with, I'd just go to her house, pack important things and documents, and go low\/no contact. The loss is hard, but if you're in college with the prospect of having to sue your mother for destroying your property, it'll be a high stress situation for you that will leave you feeling at a loss. You should definitely confront her, in writing, that she had no right to destroy your item, and that you were paying her monthly for the electricity it uses, and that if it was too loud, she should have requested that you move it before she just decided to have \\[uncle\\] destroy it. That way, when she replies, you have proof of these things in case other family members try to make a case for reconnecting with your mother, or question why you don't speak to her if she refuses to take any responsibility for your server.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6246.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxps7kl","c_root_id_B":"cxpsg07","created_at_utc_A":1449452795,"created_at_utc_B":1449453205,"score_A":34,"score_B":82,"human_ref_A":"Go talk to an attorney. Consults are generally free. They may feel that this is a frivolous law suit and that the other party will pay for your attorney (if you win). So it isn't a bad idea to talking to one.","human_ref_B":"Try some of these resources for low income legal help. http:\/\/www.kyjustice.org\/offices https:\/\/www.nkybar.com\/includes\/nkvl.aspx http:\/\/www.legalhandle.com\/pro-bono-attorneys-Kentucky.html People can sue for anything. Unfortunately all this means for you is you need to defend yourself. A judge in unlikely to rule against you. If you feel wronged you can file a complaint on the lawyer to the Kentucky Bar Association. They can review the complaint. I would also take the additional step to make sure you are actually being contacted by a real lawyer. People sometimes fake this in order to try and get money. You can look them up here to be sure.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":410.0,"score_ratio":2.4117647059} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxpvc6w","c_root_id_B":"cxpus67","created_at_utc_A":1449458321,"created_at_utc_B":1449457296,"score_A":68,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"This kind of thing really pisses me off. It gives attorneys a bad (worse) name. The first thing I thought of was Rule 11 (someone cited it below). OP, you have received very good advice here. Speak to an attorney ASAP. Do NOT let the time lapse to answer your suit, and do NOT skip a hearing.","human_ref_B":"Please update us on how this one goes OP","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1025.0,"score_ratio":1.6585365854} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxpvc6w","c_root_id_B":"cxpsycr","created_at_utc_A":1449458321,"created_at_utc_B":1449454091,"score_A":68,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"This kind of thing really pisses me off. It gives attorneys a bad (worse) name. The first thing I thought of was Rule 11 (someone cited it below). OP, you have received very good advice here. Speak to an attorney ASAP. Do NOT let the time lapse to answer your suit, and do NOT skip a hearing.","human_ref_B":"They're probably going after you because they know she can't pay. Get a lawyer; any decent one should be able to get this thrown out.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4230.0,"score_ratio":1.7435897436} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxpvc6w","c_root_id_B":"cxps7kl","created_at_utc_A":1449458321,"created_at_utc_B":1449452795,"score_A":68,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"This kind of thing really pisses me off. It gives attorneys a bad (worse) name. The first thing I thought of was Rule 11 (someone cited it below). OP, you have received very good advice here. Speak to an attorney ASAP. Do NOT let the time lapse to answer your suit, and do NOT skip a hearing.","human_ref_B":"Go talk to an attorney. Consults are generally free. They may feel that this is a frivolous law suit and that the other party will pay for your attorney (if you win). So it isn't a bad idea to talking to one.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5526.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxpvc6w","c_root_id_B":"cxpufae","created_at_utc_A":1449458321,"created_at_utc_B":1449456655,"score_A":68,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"This kind of thing really pisses me off. It gives attorneys a bad (worse) name. The first thing I thought of was Rule 11 (someone cited it below). OP, you have received very good advice here. Speak to an attorney ASAP. Do NOT let the time lapse to answer your suit, and do NOT skip a hearing.","human_ref_B":"I would talk to the attorney and advise him you know that the Kentucky Rules of Civil Procedure 11 states: \"The signature of an attorney or party constitutes a certification by him that he has read the pleading, motion or other paper; that to the best of his knowledge, information, and belief formed after reasonable inquiry it is well grounded in fact and is warranted by existing law or a **good faith argument for the extension, modification or reversal of existing law, and that it is not interposed for any improper purpose, such as to harass or to cause unnecessary delay or needless increase in the cost of litigation**.\" He can be sanctioned by the court for filing such a frivolous suit. It is possible that he will drop the suit afterwards. However, it is important not to use these words in any way that could be threatening.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1666.0,"score_ratio":2.2666666667} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxpv8pi","c_root_id_B":"cxpvc6w","created_at_utc_A":1449458141,"created_at_utc_B":1449458321,"score_A":25,"score_B":68,"human_ref_A":"Is there any chance that this guy is the father of the first two kids? That could make for interesting counterclaim karma.","human_ref_B":"This kind of thing really pisses me off. It gives attorneys a bad (worse) name. The first thing I thought of was Rule 11 (someone cited it below). OP, you have received very good advice here. Speak to an attorney ASAP. Do NOT let the time lapse to answer your suit, and do NOT skip a hearing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":180.0,"score_ratio":2.72} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxq1jsj","c_root_id_B":"cxpus67","created_at_utc_A":1449471727,"created_at_utc_B":1449457296,"score_A":67,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"> I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. This argument sounds really crazy to me. In addition to calling Legal Aid, I'd check this lawyer's name and address against the Kentucky Bar's member rolls (you can search by name here). If they don't show up on the list, it's unauthorized practice of law, which is something you can report to the Kentucky State Bar here. UPL is a criminal offense.","human_ref_B":"Please update us on how this one goes OP","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14431.0,"score_ratio":1.6341463415} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxpsycr","c_root_id_B":"cxq1jsj","created_at_utc_A":1449454091,"created_at_utc_B":1449471727,"score_A":39,"score_B":67,"human_ref_A":"They're probably going after you because they know she can't pay. Get a lawyer; any decent one should be able to get this thrown out.","human_ref_B":"> I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. This argument sounds really crazy to me. In addition to calling Legal Aid, I'd check this lawyer's name and address against the Kentucky Bar's member rolls (you can search by name here). If they don't show up on the list, it's unauthorized practice of law, which is something you can report to the Kentucky State Bar here. UPL is a criminal offense.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17636.0,"score_ratio":1.7179487179} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxq1jsj","c_root_id_B":"cxps7kl","created_at_utc_A":1449471727,"created_at_utc_B":1449452795,"score_A":67,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"> I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. This argument sounds really crazy to me. In addition to calling Legal Aid, I'd check this lawyer's name and address against the Kentucky Bar's member rolls (you can search by name here). If they don't show up on the list, it's unauthorized practice of law, which is something you can report to the Kentucky State Bar here. UPL is a criminal offense.","human_ref_B":"Go talk to an attorney. Consults are generally free. They may feel that this is a frivolous law suit and that the other party will pay for your attorney (if you win). So it isn't a bad idea to talking to one.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18932.0,"score_ratio":1.9705882353} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxpufae","c_root_id_B":"cxq1jsj","created_at_utc_A":1449456655,"created_at_utc_B":1449471727,"score_A":30,"score_B":67,"human_ref_A":"I would talk to the attorney and advise him you know that the Kentucky Rules of Civil Procedure 11 states: \"The signature of an attorney or party constitutes a certification by him that he has read the pleading, motion or other paper; that to the best of his knowledge, information, and belief formed after reasonable inquiry it is well grounded in fact and is warranted by existing law or a **good faith argument for the extension, modification or reversal of existing law, and that it is not interposed for any improper purpose, such as to harass or to cause unnecessary delay or needless increase in the cost of litigation**.\" He can be sanctioned by the court for filing such a frivolous suit. It is possible that he will drop the suit afterwards. However, it is important not to use these words in any way that could be threatening.","human_ref_B":"> I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. This argument sounds really crazy to me. In addition to calling Legal Aid, I'd check this lawyer's name and address against the Kentucky Bar's member rolls (you can search by name here). If they don't show up on the list, it's unauthorized practice of law, which is something you can report to the Kentucky State Bar here. UPL is a criminal offense.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15072.0,"score_ratio":2.2333333333} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxpv8pi","c_root_id_B":"cxq1jsj","created_at_utc_A":1449458141,"created_at_utc_B":1449471727,"score_A":25,"score_B":67,"human_ref_A":"Is there any chance that this guy is the father of the first two kids? That could make for interesting counterclaim karma.","human_ref_B":"> I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. This argument sounds really crazy to me. In addition to calling Legal Aid, I'd check this lawyer's name and address against the Kentucky Bar's member rolls (you can search by name here). If they don't show up on the list, it's unauthorized practice of law, which is something you can report to the Kentucky State Bar here. UPL is a criminal offense.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13586.0,"score_ratio":2.68} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxpsycr","c_root_id_B":"cxpus67","created_at_utc_A":1449454091,"created_at_utc_B":1449457296,"score_A":39,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"They're probably going after you because they know she can't pay. Get a lawyer; any decent one should be able to get this thrown out.","human_ref_B":"Please update us on how this one goes OP","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3205.0,"score_ratio":1.0512820513} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxps7kl","c_root_id_B":"cxpus67","created_at_utc_A":1449452795,"created_at_utc_B":1449457296,"score_A":34,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"Go talk to an attorney. Consults are generally free. They may feel that this is a frivolous law suit and that the other party will pay for your attorney (if you win). So it isn't a bad idea to talking to one.","human_ref_B":"Please update us on how this one goes OP","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4501.0,"score_ratio":1.2058823529} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxpus67","c_root_id_B":"cxpufae","created_at_utc_A":1449457296,"created_at_utc_B":1449456655,"score_A":41,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"Please update us on how this one goes OP","human_ref_B":"I would talk to the attorney and advise him you know that the Kentucky Rules of Civil Procedure 11 states: \"The signature of an attorney or party constitutes a certification by him that he has read the pleading, motion or other paper; that to the best of his knowledge, information, and belief formed after reasonable inquiry it is well grounded in fact and is warranted by existing law or a **good faith argument for the extension, modification or reversal of existing law, and that it is not interposed for any improper purpose, such as to harass or to cause unnecessary delay or needless increase in the cost of litigation**.\" He can be sanctioned by the court for filing such a frivolous suit. It is possible that he will drop the suit afterwards. However, it is important not to use these words in any way that could be threatening.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":641.0,"score_ratio":1.3666666667} {"post_id":"3vq7jr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I'm raising my drug addict sister's kids. The father of her latest baby is suing me for child support (Kentucky) Throwaway because I don't want this drama associated with my reddit account. Basically what the title says. Dealing with my drug addict sister and her drama makes me feel like I am on an episode of the Jerry Springer show. She has just given birth to her third child. I have custody of her oldest two. She actually knows who the father is this time. I am estranged from her and I only hear about her when she has a baby. I knew she recently gave birth but the social worker had told me the father was taking custody. I have now been served with papers from this man suing me for child support. I called his lawyer, he is aware that I am not the mother but their logic is that since I took responsibility for her other children I am also responsible to help with this one. The papers I was served with are filled with words like \"negligent\" which made me angry. I don't see how this can be allowed to happen. I have no money for a lawyer but I know I need one so I am looking for one that helps low income people. I have also placed a call to the social worker who told me about the birth and him taking custody. I just want to ask here if there is anything else I should be doing in the meantime? Also, is this a common thing where a relative can be on the hook for child support?","c_root_id_A":"cxps7kl","c_root_id_B":"cxpsycr","created_at_utc_A":1449452795,"created_at_utc_B":1449454091,"score_A":34,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"Go talk to an attorney. Consults are generally free. They may feel that this is a frivolous law suit and that the other party will pay for your attorney (if you win). So it isn't a bad idea to talking to one.","human_ref_B":"They're probably going after you because they know she can't pay. Get a lawyer; any decent one should be able to get this thrown out.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1296.0,"score_ratio":1.1470588235} {"post_id":"c2osvx","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"HELP My Neighbor keeps bees and they won't stop stinging me PLEASE SOMEONE HELP!!!! Here's the story.....I moved into a new house about 2 years ago in Los Angeles and my neighbor keeps bees. He has 5 or 6 hives located above my property and right on the boarder of our properties. When I first moved in I was excited to see the hives, I've actually thought of starting my own. Then quickly I discovered any time I go anywhere near that side of my yard I get chased and stung by bees. My neighbor does not tend to his bees or take care of them at all and they are incredibly aggressive. I very kindly tried to ask the neighbor if he could move the bees and he screamed at me and threatened me (I learned here he is a psychopath). I tried several more times with more returned screaming and threats. I tried calling building and safety, they won't\/ can't do anything. I called the agricultural department and they won't do anything nor can they enforce anything. I went to the police who won't do anything about the bees or the neighbor's threats. I called the fire department who were very nice but can't legally do anything. I called the health department who won't do anything. I called several lawyers who all want to charge $20,000-$40,000. I don't know what to do. I can't go in my backyard without being stung. My neighbor is a psycho. PLEASE can anyone help me with anything I can do to get these bee's moved or gone? I'm held prisoner in my own house by them! Thank you","c_root_id_A":"erlnk5e","c_root_id_B":"erlox0h","created_at_utc_A":1560991973,"created_at_utc_B":1560993002,"score_A":25,"score_B":363,"human_ref_A":"You can try baking California wildlife division and see if they can suggest anything, but it really seems like you've exhausted all options. If you're hurt due to the bee stings you can see a personal injury lawyer and sue him.","human_ref_B":"Have you tried to contact the local bee keeping association? They may be able to help you figure out who to contact. It also looks like LA does have some restrictions where honeybees can be kept on a property https:\/\/www.dailynews.com\/2015\/10\/14\/los-angeles-passes-urban-beekeeping-law\/","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1029.0,"score_ratio":14.52} {"post_id":"c2osvx","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"HELP My Neighbor keeps bees and they won't stop stinging me PLEASE SOMEONE HELP!!!! Here's the story.....I moved into a new house about 2 years ago in Los Angeles and my neighbor keeps bees. He has 5 or 6 hives located above my property and right on the boarder of our properties. When I first moved in I was excited to see the hives, I've actually thought of starting my own. Then quickly I discovered any time I go anywhere near that side of my yard I get chased and stung by bees. My neighbor does not tend to his bees or take care of them at all and they are incredibly aggressive. I very kindly tried to ask the neighbor if he could move the bees and he screamed at me and threatened me (I learned here he is a psychopath). I tried several more times with more returned screaming and threats. I tried calling building and safety, they won't\/ can't do anything. I called the agricultural department and they won't do anything nor can they enforce anything. I went to the police who won't do anything about the bees or the neighbor's threats. I called the fire department who were very nice but can't legally do anything. I called the health department who won't do anything. I called several lawyers who all want to charge $20,000-$40,000. I don't know what to do. I can't go in my backyard without being stung. My neighbor is a psycho. PLEASE can anyone help me with anything I can do to get these bee's moved or gone? I'm held prisoner in my own house by them! Thank you","c_root_id_A":"erlpa9q","c_root_id_B":"erlnk5e","created_at_utc_A":1560993276,"created_at_utc_B":1560991973,"score_A":279,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"Two places to start: 1. Los Angeles Agriculture Weights and Measures. Here is the link for the online Nuisance Bee Complaint: https:\/\/acwm.lacounty.gov\/nuisance-bee-complaint\/ 2. You can also try the Los Angeles County Agricultural Commissioner\/Weights and Measures Department at (626) 575-5471. https:\/\/dpw.lacounty.gov\/general\/faq\/?14523=14523&Action=getAnswers&FaqID=JSNNLzFTLTAgCg%3D%3D&Keywords=1 Be sure to tell the County that you have been chased and\/or stung and that the bees may be Africanized. Negligent beekeepers that don't maintain their hives properly are putting you, your family, your neighbors, and any pets and\/or wildlife nearby at risk of a bee attack. .","human_ref_B":"You can try baking California wildlife division and see if they can suggest anything, but it really seems like you've exhausted all options. If you're hurt due to the bee stings you can see a personal injury lawyer and sue him.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1303.0,"score_ratio":11.16} {"post_id":"c2osvx","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"HELP My Neighbor keeps bees and they won't stop stinging me PLEASE SOMEONE HELP!!!! Here's the story.....I moved into a new house about 2 years ago in Los Angeles and my neighbor keeps bees. He has 5 or 6 hives located above my property and right on the boarder of our properties. When I first moved in I was excited to see the hives, I've actually thought of starting my own. Then quickly I discovered any time I go anywhere near that side of my yard I get chased and stung by bees. My neighbor does not tend to his bees or take care of them at all and they are incredibly aggressive. I very kindly tried to ask the neighbor if he could move the bees and he screamed at me and threatened me (I learned here he is a psychopath). I tried several more times with more returned screaming and threats. I tried calling building and safety, they won't\/ can't do anything. I called the agricultural department and they won't do anything nor can they enforce anything. I went to the police who won't do anything about the bees or the neighbor's threats. I called the fire department who were very nice but can't legally do anything. I called the health department who won't do anything. I called several lawyers who all want to charge $20,000-$40,000. I don't know what to do. I can't go in my backyard without being stung. My neighbor is a psycho. PLEASE can anyone help me with anything I can do to get these bee's moved or gone? I'm held prisoner in my own house by them! Thank you","c_root_id_A":"erm4p7w","c_root_id_B":"erlnk5e","created_at_utc_A":1561006043,"created_at_utc_B":1560991973,"score_A":174,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"This is not normal\/healthy bee behavior. I have two hives and can sit for hours within 5 ft of the hive entrance, within their nonal flight path, and have zero stings. When bees start behaving like this they are struggling in some way, or have acquired genes that make them more aggressive.","human_ref_B":"You can try baking California wildlife division and see if they can suggest anything, but it really seems like you've exhausted all options. If you're hurt due to the bee stings you can see a personal injury lawyer and sue him.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14070.0,"score_ratio":6.96} {"post_id":"c2osvx","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"HELP My Neighbor keeps bees and they won't stop stinging me PLEASE SOMEONE HELP!!!! Here's the story.....I moved into a new house about 2 years ago in Los Angeles and my neighbor keeps bees. He has 5 or 6 hives located above my property and right on the boarder of our properties. When I first moved in I was excited to see the hives, I've actually thought of starting my own. Then quickly I discovered any time I go anywhere near that side of my yard I get chased and stung by bees. My neighbor does not tend to his bees or take care of them at all and they are incredibly aggressive. I very kindly tried to ask the neighbor if he could move the bees and he screamed at me and threatened me (I learned here he is a psychopath). I tried several more times with more returned screaming and threats. I tried calling building and safety, they won't\/ can't do anything. I called the agricultural department and they won't do anything nor can they enforce anything. I went to the police who won't do anything about the bees or the neighbor's threats. I called the fire department who were very nice but can't legally do anything. I called the health department who won't do anything. I called several lawyers who all want to charge $20,000-$40,000. I don't know what to do. I can't go in my backyard without being stung. My neighbor is a psycho. PLEASE can anyone help me with anything I can do to get these bee's moved or gone? I'm held prisoner in my own house by them! Thank you","c_root_id_A":"ern1v9a","c_root_id_B":"ermwcmp","created_at_utc_A":1561042663,"created_at_utc_B":1561038829,"score_A":18,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"If the excellent advice from u\/Zubizubiz00 doesn't yield results, your last option is to file a suit alleging a private nuisance and seek a court order requiring him to remove the bees. But this guide indicates that nuisance bees will be swiftly investigated if you call the Bee Info Line (1(800) 233-9279 aka 1 (800)-BEE-WARY) if the online form doesn't yield a result (or if you just prefer phone calls).","human_ref_B":"Well, it sucks to have to do this, but you could get some mosquito netting and build an enclosed porch like we have up here in New England so we can sit outside without breathing in swarms of black flies... build a big mosquito net and 2x4 fence right up against your property line where the bees are!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3834.0,"score_ratio":2.25} {"post_id":"c2osvx","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"HELP My Neighbor keeps bees and they won't stop stinging me PLEASE SOMEONE HELP!!!! Here's the story.....I moved into a new house about 2 years ago in Los Angeles and my neighbor keeps bees. He has 5 or 6 hives located above my property and right on the boarder of our properties. When I first moved in I was excited to see the hives, I've actually thought of starting my own. Then quickly I discovered any time I go anywhere near that side of my yard I get chased and stung by bees. My neighbor does not tend to his bees or take care of them at all and they are incredibly aggressive. I very kindly tried to ask the neighbor if he could move the bees and he screamed at me and threatened me (I learned here he is a psychopath). I tried several more times with more returned screaming and threats. I tried calling building and safety, they won't\/ can't do anything. I called the agricultural department and they won't do anything nor can they enforce anything. I went to the police who won't do anything about the bees or the neighbor's threats. I called the fire department who were very nice but can't legally do anything. I called the health department who won't do anything. I called several lawyers who all want to charge $20,000-$40,000. I don't know what to do. I can't go in my backyard without being stung. My neighbor is a psycho. PLEASE can anyone help me with anything I can do to get these bee's moved or gone? I'm held prisoner in my own house by them! Thank you","c_root_id_A":"ern0o2q","c_root_id_B":"ern1v9a","created_at_utc_A":1561041872,"created_at_utc_B":1561042663,"score_A":4,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Are you in Los Angeles proper? I know most cities Zoning ordinances don't allow the keeping of non-pet animals in residential zones unless a variance was granted. I'd do a little digging into the Los Angeles zoning laws (or whatever municipality you happen to be in) to see if this is in violation of zoning ordinances. You can then use that information to contact the zoning board or to sue to force him to get rid of them. You also have a pretty good nuisance claim in that he is preventing you from using and enjoying your property. I'd look around at a few other lawyers, $20k-$40k seems a bit steep for this type of case (though I do not practice in SoCal so not entirely sure). Was that just an estimate? Or did they want that much up front? A good lawyer should only charge hourly or request a retainer of a few thousand dollars and draw on that until it needs to be replenished. At a very minimum it should only cost a few hundred to get a lawyer to draft up a demand letter citing a few rules that hes breaking (i.e. zoning if applicable, nuisance) and threatening to sue. Many times thats enough to start a conversation where he's willing to do something to avoid a lawsuit. However, depending on the type of person he could ignore it and force you to sue him which would cost several thousand dollars if it went to trial.","human_ref_B":"If the excellent advice from u\/Zubizubiz00 doesn't yield results, your last option is to file a suit alleging a private nuisance and seek a court order requiring him to remove the bees. But this guide indicates that nuisance bees will be swiftly investigated if you call the Bee Info Line (1(800) 233-9279 aka 1 (800)-BEE-WARY) if the online form doesn't yield a result (or if you just prefer phone calls).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":791.0,"score_ratio":4.5} {"post_id":"c2osvx","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"HELP My Neighbor keeps bees and they won't stop stinging me PLEASE SOMEONE HELP!!!! Here's the story.....I moved into a new house about 2 years ago in Los Angeles and my neighbor keeps bees. He has 5 or 6 hives located above my property and right on the boarder of our properties. When I first moved in I was excited to see the hives, I've actually thought of starting my own. Then quickly I discovered any time I go anywhere near that side of my yard I get chased and stung by bees. My neighbor does not tend to his bees or take care of them at all and they are incredibly aggressive. I very kindly tried to ask the neighbor if he could move the bees and he screamed at me and threatened me (I learned here he is a psychopath). I tried several more times with more returned screaming and threats. I tried calling building and safety, they won't\/ can't do anything. I called the agricultural department and they won't do anything nor can they enforce anything. I went to the police who won't do anything about the bees or the neighbor's threats. I called the fire department who were very nice but can't legally do anything. I called the health department who won't do anything. I called several lawyers who all want to charge $20,000-$40,000. I don't know what to do. I can't go in my backyard without being stung. My neighbor is a psycho. PLEASE can anyone help me with anything I can do to get these bee's moved or gone? I'm held prisoner in my own house by them! Thank you","c_root_id_A":"erodsct","c_root_id_B":"ern0o2q","created_at_utc_A":1561076287,"created_at_utc_B":1561041872,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"When calling all those excellent resources have offered, stick to the facts. Saying that the neighbor is a psychopath makes you sound like you're exaggerating and thrive on drama. You want the authorities to take you seriously, so do your best to remain calm and factual.","human_ref_B":"Are you in Los Angeles proper? I know most cities Zoning ordinances don't allow the keeping of non-pet animals in residential zones unless a variance was granted. I'd do a little digging into the Los Angeles zoning laws (or whatever municipality you happen to be in) to see if this is in violation of zoning ordinances. You can then use that information to contact the zoning board or to sue to force him to get rid of them. You also have a pretty good nuisance claim in that he is preventing you from using and enjoying your property. I'd look around at a few other lawyers, $20k-$40k seems a bit steep for this type of case (though I do not practice in SoCal so not entirely sure). Was that just an estimate? Or did they want that much up front? A good lawyer should only charge hourly or request a retainer of a few thousand dollars and draw on that until it needs to be replenished. At a very minimum it should only cost a few hundred to get a lawyer to draft up a demand letter citing a few rules that hes breaking (i.e. zoning if applicable, nuisance) and threatening to sue. Many times thats enough to start a conversation where he's willing to do something to avoid a lawsuit. However, depending on the type of person he could ignore it and force you to sue him which would cost several thousand dollars if it went to trial.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":34415.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"c2osvx","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"HELP My Neighbor keeps bees and they won't stop stinging me PLEASE SOMEONE HELP!!!! Here's the story.....I moved into a new house about 2 years ago in Los Angeles and my neighbor keeps bees. He has 5 or 6 hives located above my property and right on the boarder of our properties. When I first moved in I was excited to see the hives, I've actually thought of starting my own. Then quickly I discovered any time I go anywhere near that side of my yard I get chased and stung by bees. My neighbor does not tend to his bees or take care of them at all and they are incredibly aggressive. I very kindly tried to ask the neighbor if he could move the bees and he screamed at me and threatened me (I learned here he is a psychopath). I tried several more times with more returned screaming and threats. I tried calling building and safety, they won't\/ can't do anything. I called the agricultural department and they won't do anything nor can they enforce anything. I went to the police who won't do anything about the bees or the neighbor's threats. I called the fire department who were very nice but can't legally do anything. I called the health department who won't do anything. I called several lawyers who all want to charge $20,000-$40,000. I don't know what to do. I can't go in my backyard without being stung. My neighbor is a psycho. PLEASE can anyone help me with anything I can do to get these bee's moved or gone? I'm held prisoner in my own house by them! Thank you","c_root_id_A":"erodsct","c_root_id_B":"ernnjud","created_at_utc_A":1561076287,"created_at_utc_B":1561056740,"score_A":6,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"When calling all those excellent resources have offered, stick to the facts. Saying that the neighbor is a psychopath makes you sound like you're exaggerating and thrive on drama. You want the authorities to take you seriously, so do your best to remain calm and factual.","human_ref_B":"Are they right against your property? The law requires that they need to be 6 feet away from your property line.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19547.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"sv6d3k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My dad passed in August. He an I owned the house together. (Joint tenancy with right of survivorship). He was on the mortgage, but I am on the deed. His wife is refusing to speak to me. She\u2019s living in the house. Please forgive me for this layout, but it\u2019s a mess right now. My dad didn\u2019t have a will, and his estate that didn\u2019t have a specific beneficiary is being handled through my probate attorney. She\u2019s doing a lot of things to cut me off-won\u2019t allow me to have basic things like photographs, planned his celebration of life without me, reported me missing and estranged to probate court. There\u2019s the background to the problem. Because of the type of title, the house is not part of probate, and she has no homestead claim. She has consistently refused to share information regarding the mortgage company. This seems like a simple fix, but even the clerk of courts doesn\u2019t have this on file because the original mortgage company went bankrupt years ago and the company that bought the mortgage was never updated in official records. She has openly refused to share this information. This is the last thing she text to me the day after my dad died. She has emailed since, but only in reference to updates for my dads interment into Arlington. My attorney reached out for this info, and she only sends a cropped statement proving she\u2019s paid the mortgage. We\u2019ve pressed for more info, but she\u2019s out of town and can\u2019t get to it. While I was initially ok with trying to figure out a rental agreement, her reporting me missing and estranged has pushed me past this point. She has no agreement in place. She is gatekeeping information. She is not speaking to me. What can I do here? Is this a call to police and an order to vacate? Are there ramifications to her paying even though she\u2019s withholding information? My attorney was unclear as this isn\u2019t her area of expertise. I don\u2019t want her in the house. I don\u2019t want to sell it to her. This has to end.","c_root_id_A":"hxeapu1","c_root_id_B":"hxea1hx","created_at_utc_A":1645152412,"created_at_utc_B":1645152109,"score_A":520,"score_B":211,"human_ref_A":"Not your lawyer. Probably not licensed in your state. Not giving legal advice. Based on what you\u2019ve said, it sounds like you are the titled owner of the house. I would think the first step would be to consult a LLT lawyer about having her evicted as a holdover tenant.","human_ref_B":"You need a better lawyer or at least one who specializes in property recovery.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":303.0,"score_ratio":2.4644549763} {"post_id":"sv6d3k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My dad passed in August. He an I owned the house together. (Joint tenancy with right of survivorship). He was on the mortgage, but I am on the deed. His wife is refusing to speak to me. She\u2019s living in the house. Please forgive me for this layout, but it\u2019s a mess right now. My dad didn\u2019t have a will, and his estate that didn\u2019t have a specific beneficiary is being handled through my probate attorney. She\u2019s doing a lot of things to cut me off-won\u2019t allow me to have basic things like photographs, planned his celebration of life without me, reported me missing and estranged to probate court. There\u2019s the background to the problem. Because of the type of title, the house is not part of probate, and she has no homestead claim. She has consistently refused to share information regarding the mortgage company. This seems like a simple fix, but even the clerk of courts doesn\u2019t have this on file because the original mortgage company went bankrupt years ago and the company that bought the mortgage was never updated in official records. She has openly refused to share this information. This is the last thing she text to me the day after my dad died. She has emailed since, but only in reference to updates for my dads interment into Arlington. My attorney reached out for this info, and she only sends a cropped statement proving she\u2019s paid the mortgage. We\u2019ve pressed for more info, but she\u2019s out of town and can\u2019t get to it. While I was initially ok with trying to figure out a rental agreement, her reporting me missing and estranged has pushed me past this point. She has no agreement in place. She is gatekeeping information. She is not speaking to me. What can I do here? Is this a call to police and an order to vacate? Are there ramifications to her paying even though she\u2019s withholding information? My attorney was unclear as this isn\u2019t her area of expertise. I don\u2019t want her in the house. I don\u2019t want to sell it to her. This has to end.","c_root_id_A":"hxea1hx","c_root_id_B":"hxebup3","created_at_utc_A":1645152109,"created_at_utc_B":1645152920,"score_A":211,"score_B":336,"human_ref_A":"You need a better lawyer or at least one who specializes in property recovery.","human_ref_B":"I'm sorry for your loss. Generally speaking: a right of survivorship causes the decedent's interest to be divided equally between the surviving owners, independent of probate and without any claim for the decedent's heirs to exercise. If it was just you and your father, as joint tenants and with a mutual right of survivorship, then there's very good odds you own the property now, subject only to mortgages, liens, and covenants but not subject to your father's estate. If so, then you, as the sole owner, will be able to exert the normal powers of a landlord against the lawful tenants, including your stepmother. That would include giving notice to end a tenancy, and pursuing an eviction if the tenant does not vacate. It would be the lender's responsibility to contact the owners - generally via service at the property itself - in the event of a default. If you have no other contact with the lender, and you know there's a lien, then evicting the tenant and defaulting on the loan might be an effective, if expensive, way to force the issue. Be prepared to bring the mortgage current promptly, and if you believe the tenant (or former tenant) would interfere with the mail, having someone present on a daily basis to get the mail would be a very, very good idea. If you don't trust your lawyer's capabilities on this subject, then I would strongly suggest getting a referral to an estate litigator. This is not a particularly novel subject, but you should have the right kind of specialist working for you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":811.0,"score_ratio":1.5924170616} {"post_id":"sv6d3k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My dad passed in August. He an I owned the house together. (Joint tenancy with right of survivorship). He was on the mortgage, but I am on the deed. His wife is refusing to speak to me. She\u2019s living in the house. Please forgive me for this layout, but it\u2019s a mess right now. My dad didn\u2019t have a will, and his estate that didn\u2019t have a specific beneficiary is being handled through my probate attorney. She\u2019s doing a lot of things to cut me off-won\u2019t allow me to have basic things like photographs, planned his celebration of life without me, reported me missing and estranged to probate court. There\u2019s the background to the problem. Because of the type of title, the house is not part of probate, and she has no homestead claim. She has consistently refused to share information regarding the mortgage company. This seems like a simple fix, but even the clerk of courts doesn\u2019t have this on file because the original mortgage company went bankrupt years ago and the company that bought the mortgage was never updated in official records. She has openly refused to share this information. This is the last thing she text to me the day after my dad died. She has emailed since, but only in reference to updates for my dads interment into Arlington. My attorney reached out for this info, and she only sends a cropped statement proving she\u2019s paid the mortgage. We\u2019ve pressed for more info, but she\u2019s out of town and can\u2019t get to it. While I was initially ok with trying to figure out a rental agreement, her reporting me missing and estranged has pushed me past this point. She has no agreement in place. She is gatekeeping information. She is not speaking to me. What can I do here? Is this a call to police and an order to vacate? Are there ramifications to her paying even though she\u2019s withholding information? My attorney was unclear as this isn\u2019t her area of expertise. I don\u2019t want her in the house. I don\u2019t want to sell it to her. This has to end.","c_root_id_A":"hxevn4q","c_root_id_B":"hxelovz","created_at_utc_A":1645163130,"created_at_utc_B":1645157631,"score_A":14,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"My answer doesn't pertain exactly to your current problem. But.. if you want to keep the house, in the future, you are under no obligation to refinance the existing mortgage. The mortgage company will tell you that you have to refi under your own name, but that is not true. It is possible AND legal for you to have title to the house and have the mortgage under your father's name.","human_ref_B":"Please share your location, such as the state or province. It would help a lot in terms of being able to provide effective advice.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5499.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} {"post_id":"sv6d3k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My dad passed in August. He an I owned the house together. (Joint tenancy with right of survivorship). He was on the mortgage, but I am on the deed. His wife is refusing to speak to me. She\u2019s living in the house. Please forgive me for this layout, but it\u2019s a mess right now. My dad didn\u2019t have a will, and his estate that didn\u2019t have a specific beneficiary is being handled through my probate attorney. She\u2019s doing a lot of things to cut me off-won\u2019t allow me to have basic things like photographs, planned his celebration of life without me, reported me missing and estranged to probate court. There\u2019s the background to the problem. Because of the type of title, the house is not part of probate, and she has no homestead claim. She has consistently refused to share information regarding the mortgage company. This seems like a simple fix, but even the clerk of courts doesn\u2019t have this on file because the original mortgage company went bankrupt years ago and the company that bought the mortgage was never updated in official records. She has openly refused to share this information. This is the last thing she text to me the day after my dad died. She has emailed since, but only in reference to updates for my dads interment into Arlington. My attorney reached out for this info, and she only sends a cropped statement proving she\u2019s paid the mortgage. We\u2019ve pressed for more info, but she\u2019s out of town and can\u2019t get to it. While I was initially ok with trying to figure out a rental agreement, her reporting me missing and estranged has pushed me past this point. She has no agreement in place. She is gatekeeping information. She is not speaking to me. What can I do here? Is this a call to police and an order to vacate? Are there ramifications to her paying even though she\u2019s withholding information? My attorney was unclear as this isn\u2019t her area of expertise. I don\u2019t want her in the house. I don\u2019t want to sell it to her. This has to end.","c_root_id_A":"hxevn4q","c_root_id_B":"hxeojzy","created_at_utc_A":1645163130,"created_at_utc_B":1645159109,"score_A":14,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"My answer doesn't pertain exactly to your current problem. But.. if you want to keep the house, in the future, you are under no obligation to refinance the existing mortgage. The mortgage company will tell you that you have to refi under your own name, but that is not true. It is possible AND legal for you to have title to the house and have the mortgage under your father's name.","human_ref_B":"Have your father's mail forwarded to your home.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4021.0,"score_ratio":1.75} {"post_id":"sv6d3k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My dad passed in August. He an I owned the house together. (Joint tenancy with right of survivorship). He was on the mortgage, but I am on the deed. His wife is refusing to speak to me. She\u2019s living in the house. Please forgive me for this layout, but it\u2019s a mess right now. My dad didn\u2019t have a will, and his estate that didn\u2019t have a specific beneficiary is being handled through my probate attorney. She\u2019s doing a lot of things to cut me off-won\u2019t allow me to have basic things like photographs, planned his celebration of life without me, reported me missing and estranged to probate court. There\u2019s the background to the problem. Because of the type of title, the house is not part of probate, and she has no homestead claim. She has consistently refused to share information regarding the mortgage company. This seems like a simple fix, but even the clerk of courts doesn\u2019t have this on file because the original mortgage company went bankrupt years ago and the company that bought the mortgage was never updated in official records. She has openly refused to share this information. This is the last thing she text to me the day after my dad died. She has emailed since, but only in reference to updates for my dads interment into Arlington. My attorney reached out for this info, and she only sends a cropped statement proving she\u2019s paid the mortgage. We\u2019ve pressed for more info, but she\u2019s out of town and can\u2019t get to it. While I was initially ok with trying to figure out a rental agreement, her reporting me missing and estranged has pushed me past this point. She has no agreement in place. She is gatekeeping information. She is not speaking to me. What can I do here? Is this a call to police and an order to vacate? Are there ramifications to her paying even though she\u2019s withholding information? My attorney was unclear as this isn\u2019t her area of expertise. I don\u2019t want her in the house. I don\u2019t want to sell it to her. This has to end.","c_root_id_A":"hxel7cg","c_root_id_B":"hxevn4q","created_at_utc_A":1645157386,"created_at_utc_B":1645163130,"score_A":8,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Who was the lender that went bankrupt? Sometimes literally just googling \u201cwho bought out _____ bank?\u201d will give you a lead haha sometimes that\u2019s the only lead we have at title companies.","human_ref_B":"My answer doesn't pertain exactly to your current problem. But.. if you want to keep the house, in the future, you are under no obligation to refinance the existing mortgage. The mortgage company will tell you that you have to refi under your own name, but that is not true. It is possible AND legal for you to have title to the house and have the mortgage under your father's name.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5744.0,"score_ratio":1.75} {"post_id":"sv6d3k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My dad passed in August. He an I owned the house together. (Joint tenancy with right of survivorship). He was on the mortgage, but I am on the deed. His wife is refusing to speak to me. She\u2019s living in the house. Please forgive me for this layout, but it\u2019s a mess right now. My dad didn\u2019t have a will, and his estate that didn\u2019t have a specific beneficiary is being handled through my probate attorney. She\u2019s doing a lot of things to cut me off-won\u2019t allow me to have basic things like photographs, planned his celebration of life without me, reported me missing and estranged to probate court. There\u2019s the background to the problem. Because of the type of title, the house is not part of probate, and she has no homestead claim. She has consistently refused to share information regarding the mortgage company. This seems like a simple fix, but even the clerk of courts doesn\u2019t have this on file because the original mortgage company went bankrupt years ago and the company that bought the mortgage was never updated in official records. She has openly refused to share this information. This is the last thing she text to me the day after my dad died. She has emailed since, but only in reference to updates for my dads interment into Arlington. My attorney reached out for this info, and she only sends a cropped statement proving she\u2019s paid the mortgage. We\u2019ve pressed for more info, but she\u2019s out of town and can\u2019t get to it. While I was initially ok with trying to figure out a rental agreement, her reporting me missing and estranged has pushed me past this point. She has no agreement in place. She is gatekeeping information. She is not speaking to me. What can I do here? Is this a call to police and an order to vacate? Are there ramifications to her paying even though she\u2019s withholding information? My attorney was unclear as this isn\u2019t her area of expertise. I don\u2019t want her in the house. I don\u2019t want to sell it to her. This has to end.","c_root_id_A":"hxevn4q","c_root_id_B":"hxeodre","created_at_utc_A":1645163130,"created_at_utc_B":1645159020,"score_A":14,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"My answer doesn't pertain exactly to your current problem. But.. if you want to keep the house, in the future, you are under no obligation to refinance the existing mortgage. The mortgage company will tell you that you have to refi under your own name, but that is not true. It is possible AND legal for you to have title to the house and have the mortgage under your father's name.","human_ref_B":"Go to the county clerk and search the title. It will list the mortgagor. Bring a copy of the deed (if you want to assume the mortgage) to the mortgager and request to assume the balance. The file for eviction against step-mother.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4110.0,"score_ratio":1.5555555556} {"post_id":"sv6d3k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My dad passed in August. He an I owned the house together. (Joint tenancy with right of survivorship). He was on the mortgage, but I am on the deed. His wife is refusing to speak to me. She\u2019s living in the house. Please forgive me for this layout, but it\u2019s a mess right now. My dad didn\u2019t have a will, and his estate that didn\u2019t have a specific beneficiary is being handled through my probate attorney. She\u2019s doing a lot of things to cut me off-won\u2019t allow me to have basic things like photographs, planned his celebration of life without me, reported me missing and estranged to probate court. There\u2019s the background to the problem. Because of the type of title, the house is not part of probate, and she has no homestead claim. She has consistently refused to share information regarding the mortgage company. This seems like a simple fix, but even the clerk of courts doesn\u2019t have this on file because the original mortgage company went bankrupt years ago and the company that bought the mortgage was never updated in official records. She has openly refused to share this information. This is the last thing she text to me the day after my dad died. She has emailed since, but only in reference to updates for my dads interment into Arlington. My attorney reached out for this info, and she only sends a cropped statement proving she\u2019s paid the mortgage. We\u2019ve pressed for more info, but she\u2019s out of town and can\u2019t get to it. While I was initially ok with trying to figure out a rental agreement, her reporting me missing and estranged has pushed me past this point. She has no agreement in place. She is gatekeeping information. She is not speaking to me. What can I do here? Is this a call to police and an order to vacate? Are there ramifications to her paying even though she\u2019s withholding information? My attorney was unclear as this isn\u2019t her area of expertise. I don\u2019t want her in the house. I don\u2019t want to sell it to her. This has to end.","c_root_id_A":"hxeunk2","c_root_id_B":"hxevn4q","created_at_utc_A":1645162531,"created_at_utc_B":1645163130,"score_A":5,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Shouldn't the mortgage be registered on the title? Pull the title to get the info.","human_ref_B":"My answer doesn't pertain exactly to your current problem. But.. if you want to keep the house, in the future, you are under no obligation to refinance the existing mortgage. The mortgage company will tell you that you have to refi under your own name, but that is not true. It is possible AND legal for you to have title to the house and have the mortgage under your father's name.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":599.0,"score_ratio":2.8} {"post_id":"sv6d3k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My dad passed in August. He an I owned the house together. (Joint tenancy with right of survivorship). He was on the mortgage, but I am on the deed. His wife is refusing to speak to me. She\u2019s living in the house. Please forgive me for this layout, but it\u2019s a mess right now. My dad didn\u2019t have a will, and his estate that didn\u2019t have a specific beneficiary is being handled through my probate attorney. She\u2019s doing a lot of things to cut me off-won\u2019t allow me to have basic things like photographs, planned his celebration of life without me, reported me missing and estranged to probate court. There\u2019s the background to the problem. Because of the type of title, the house is not part of probate, and she has no homestead claim. She has consistently refused to share information regarding the mortgage company. This seems like a simple fix, but even the clerk of courts doesn\u2019t have this on file because the original mortgage company went bankrupt years ago and the company that bought the mortgage was never updated in official records. She has openly refused to share this information. This is the last thing she text to me the day after my dad died. She has emailed since, but only in reference to updates for my dads interment into Arlington. My attorney reached out for this info, and she only sends a cropped statement proving she\u2019s paid the mortgage. We\u2019ve pressed for more info, but she\u2019s out of town and can\u2019t get to it. While I was initially ok with trying to figure out a rental agreement, her reporting me missing and estranged has pushed me past this point. She has no agreement in place. She is gatekeeping information. She is not speaking to me. What can I do here? Is this a call to police and an order to vacate? Are there ramifications to her paying even though she\u2019s withholding information? My attorney was unclear as this isn\u2019t her area of expertise. I don\u2019t want her in the house. I don\u2019t want to sell it to her. This has to end.","c_root_id_A":"hxel7cg","c_root_id_B":"hxelovz","created_at_utc_A":1645157386,"created_at_utc_B":1645157631,"score_A":8,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Who was the lender that went bankrupt? Sometimes literally just googling \u201cwho bought out _____ bank?\u201d will give you a lead haha sometimes that\u2019s the only lead we have at title companies.","human_ref_B":"Please share your location, such as the state or province. It would help a lot in terms of being able to provide effective advice.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":245.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"sv6d3k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My dad passed in August. He an I owned the house together. (Joint tenancy with right of survivorship). He was on the mortgage, but I am on the deed. His wife is refusing to speak to me. She\u2019s living in the house. Please forgive me for this layout, but it\u2019s a mess right now. My dad didn\u2019t have a will, and his estate that didn\u2019t have a specific beneficiary is being handled through my probate attorney. She\u2019s doing a lot of things to cut me off-won\u2019t allow me to have basic things like photographs, planned his celebration of life without me, reported me missing and estranged to probate court. There\u2019s the background to the problem. Because of the type of title, the house is not part of probate, and she has no homestead claim. She has consistently refused to share information regarding the mortgage company. This seems like a simple fix, but even the clerk of courts doesn\u2019t have this on file because the original mortgage company went bankrupt years ago and the company that bought the mortgage was never updated in official records. She has openly refused to share this information. This is the last thing she text to me the day after my dad died. She has emailed since, but only in reference to updates for my dads interment into Arlington. My attorney reached out for this info, and she only sends a cropped statement proving she\u2019s paid the mortgage. We\u2019ve pressed for more info, but she\u2019s out of town and can\u2019t get to it. While I was initially ok with trying to figure out a rental agreement, her reporting me missing and estranged has pushed me past this point. She has no agreement in place. She is gatekeeping information. She is not speaking to me. What can I do here? Is this a call to police and an order to vacate? Are there ramifications to her paying even though she\u2019s withholding information? My attorney was unclear as this isn\u2019t her area of expertise. I don\u2019t want her in the house. I don\u2019t want to sell it to her. This has to end.","c_root_id_A":"hxeodre","c_root_id_B":"hxel7cg","created_at_utc_A":1645159020,"created_at_utc_B":1645157386,"score_A":9,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Go to the county clerk and search the title. It will list the mortgagor. Bring a copy of the deed (if you want to assume the mortgage) to the mortgager and request to assume the balance. The file for eviction against step-mother.","human_ref_B":"Who was the lender that went bankrupt? Sometimes literally just googling \u201cwho bought out _____ bank?\u201d will give you a lead haha sometimes that\u2019s the only lead we have at title companies.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1634.0,"score_ratio":1.125} {"post_id":"5oa42v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Dog ate my Neighbor's Drone - Am I liable? (IL) Not sure what to do. Earlier today my neighbor came pounding on my door screaming obscenities and shouting at me. When I finally got him to stop yelling I found out that he was flying his drone in my backyard again and this time my dog finally managed to catch it and destroy it. He claims this was a $900 drone and I had to pay him right then and there. I refused and closed the door in his face. A couple hours later police showed up to retrieve the drone; it was still in my yard, but my dog completely ignored it once it stopped buzzing; and ask about the situation. The said neighbor called them stating that I refused him access to my yard to get it. That's not true, he never asked. I'm worried the neighbor will try to press charges against me for destruction of property or sue me. Will he have any legal standing if this does go to court? He has a history of flying his drone low over my yard to tease my dog. I have asked him to stop several times, which he always refuses telling me that I don't own the air above my yard. I have called the police to complain once before, he was doing \"fly bys\" over my dog and getting very close to hitting him. The police didn't say he couldn't fly it in my yard but did ask him to stop doing so in order to avoid conflict. That only seemed to egg him on.","c_root_id_A":"dchrdx1","c_root_id_B":"dchro7i","created_at_utc_A":1484562248,"created_at_utc_B":1484563200,"score_A":991,"score_B":1164,"human_ref_A":"I wouldn't worry. The standard and best advice is to ignore him until and unless you get served. If that happens you will need to show up, but your case seems pretty cut and dry. If you want to be prep in advance you can always reach out to the police to see if they have record of your previous complaints.","human_ref_B":"I'm more concerned about your dog. It's possible he swallowed something that could hurt him. Watch him carefully but honestly to be sure I'd take him to the vet. If he swallowed something sharp or too big that could be deadly. If your dog was actually injured because of this moron you can sue him for the vet bills. Your neighbor is an idiot and he's blowing smoke. Ignore him unless he actually does sue you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":952.0,"score_ratio":1.1745711403} {"post_id":"5oa42v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Dog ate my Neighbor's Drone - Am I liable? (IL) Not sure what to do. Earlier today my neighbor came pounding on my door screaming obscenities and shouting at me. When I finally got him to stop yelling I found out that he was flying his drone in my backyard again and this time my dog finally managed to catch it and destroy it. He claims this was a $900 drone and I had to pay him right then and there. I refused and closed the door in his face. A couple hours later police showed up to retrieve the drone; it was still in my yard, but my dog completely ignored it once it stopped buzzing; and ask about the situation. The said neighbor called them stating that I refused him access to my yard to get it. That's not true, he never asked. I'm worried the neighbor will try to press charges against me for destruction of property or sue me. Will he have any legal standing if this does go to court? He has a history of flying his drone low over my yard to tease my dog. I have asked him to stop several times, which he always refuses telling me that I don't own the air above my yard. I have called the police to complain once before, he was doing \"fly bys\" over my dog and getting very close to hitting him. The police didn't say he couldn't fly it in my yard but did ask him to stop doing so in order to avoid conflict. That only seemed to egg him on.","c_root_id_A":"dchsmzd","c_root_id_B":"dchufzu","created_at_utc_A":1484566326,"created_at_utc_B":1484571490,"score_A":110,"score_B":300,"human_ref_A":"Good doggy. I hope he's okay (not swallowed anything) and I think he's earned a steak for services to humanity.","human_ref_B":"If you don't have it already, it might be worth requesting a copy of the old police report to keep on hand. Being able to show you have already asked him to stop and that he made a habit of teasing your dog with his drone may be helpful if you are actually sued or if he somehow tries to involve anyone else like police\/parents\/etc.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5164.0,"score_ratio":2.7272727273} {"post_id":"5oa42v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Dog ate my Neighbor's Drone - Am I liable? (IL) Not sure what to do. Earlier today my neighbor came pounding on my door screaming obscenities and shouting at me. When I finally got him to stop yelling I found out that he was flying his drone in my backyard again and this time my dog finally managed to catch it and destroy it. He claims this was a $900 drone and I had to pay him right then and there. I refused and closed the door in his face. A couple hours later police showed up to retrieve the drone; it was still in my yard, but my dog completely ignored it once it stopped buzzing; and ask about the situation. The said neighbor called them stating that I refused him access to my yard to get it. That's not true, he never asked. I'm worried the neighbor will try to press charges against me for destruction of property or sue me. Will he have any legal standing if this does go to court? He has a history of flying his drone low over my yard to tease my dog. I have asked him to stop several times, which he always refuses telling me that I don't own the air above my yard. I have called the police to complain once before, he was doing \"fly bys\" over my dog and getting very close to hitting him. The police didn't say he couldn't fly it in my yard but did ask him to stop doing so in order to avoid conflict. That only seemed to egg him on.","c_root_id_A":"dchsmzd","c_root_id_B":"dchzzwd","created_at_utc_A":1484566326,"created_at_utc_B":1484581257,"score_A":110,"score_B":187,"human_ref_A":"Good doggy. I hope he's okay (not swallowed anything) and I think he's earned a steak for services to humanity.","human_ref_B":"In answer to your question, right now you just ignore him. There's nothing criminal here. You did not intentionally destroy his drone. So, even if he were to complain to the police, they are not very likely to press charges. And that leaves a civil suit. It is possible that he may sue you. If he does, it would almost certainly be in small claims court. And, if he does, be sure to show up. Best to bring a copy of whatever police records there are from the time you complained about him doing this. He has an exceedingly small chance of winning that case, though. You have no duty to keep your dog from jumping after drones flying just above his height in your yard. But, your neighbor has a duty to avoid interfering with the reasonable use of your property.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14931.0,"score_ratio":1.7} {"post_id":"5oa42v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Dog ate my Neighbor's Drone - Am I liable? (IL) Not sure what to do. Earlier today my neighbor came pounding on my door screaming obscenities and shouting at me. When I finally got him to stop yelling I found out that he was flying his drone in my backyard again and this time my dog finally managed to catch it and destroy it. He claims this was a $900 drone and I had to pay him right then and there. I refused and closed the door in his face. A couple hours later police showed up to retrieve the drone; it was still in my yard, but my dog completely ignored it once it stopped buzzing; and ask about the situation. The said neighbor called them stating that I refused him access to my yard to get it. That's not true, he never asked. I'm worried the neighbor will try to press charges against me for destruction of property or sue me. Will he have any legal standing if this does go to court? He has a history of flying his drone low over my yard to tease my dog. I have asked him to stop several times, which he always refuses telling me that I don't own the air above my yard. I have called the police to complain once before, he was doing \"fly bys\" over my dog and getting very close to hitting him. The police didn't say he couldn't fly it in my yard but did ask him to stop doing so in order to avoid conflict. That only seemed to egg him on.","c_root_id_A":"dchzzwd","c_root_id_B":"dchw9va","created_at_utc_A":1484581257,"created_at_utc_B":1484575397,"score_A":187,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"In answer to your question, right now you just ignore him. There's nothing criminal here. You did not intentionally destroy his drone. So, even if he were to complain to the police, they are not very likely to press charges. And that leaves a civil suit. It is possible that he may sue you. If he does, it would almost certainly be in small claims court. And, if he does, be sure to show up. Best to bring a copy of whatever police records there are from the time you complained about him doing this. He has an exceedingly small chance of winning that case, though. You have no duty to keep your dog from jumping after drones flying just above his height in your yard. But, your neighbor has a duty to avoid interfering with the reasonable use of your property.","human_ref_B":"Hahaha, I'm pretty sure this numbnuts neighbor can't have it both ways. Sure, you don't own the air above your yard, but he essentially is attacking your dog on your dog's home turf and he obviously flew low enough the dog could attack it (which your neighbor has been goading him to do repeatedly). Unless you're sued, I would certainly respond to your neighbor with something along the lines of \"Well, I've asked you several times to stop flying your drone in this manner so we could avoid this exact scenario. And since this happened over my property, there's not a damn thing I'm going to do to help you out here. . . \"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5860.0,"score_ratio":2.921875} {"post_id":"5oa42v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Dog ate my Neighbor's Drone - Am I liable? (IL) Not sure what to do. Earlier today my neighbor came pounding on my door screaming obscenities and shouting at me. When I finally got him to stop yelling I found out that he was flying his drone in my backyard again and this time my dog finally managed to catch it and destroy it. He claims this was a $900 drone and I had to pay him right then and there. I refused and closed the door in his face. A couple hours later police showed up to retrieve the drone; it was still in my yard, but my dog completely ignored it once it stopped buzzing; and ask about the situation. The said neighbor called them stating that I refused him access to my yard to get it. That's not true, he never asked. I'm worried the neighbor will try to press charges against me for destruction of property or sue me. Will he have any legal standing if this does go to court? He has a history of flying his drone low over my yard to tease my dog. I have asked him to stop several times, which he always refuses telling me that I don't own the air above my yard. I have called the police to complain once before, he was doing \"fly bys\" over my dog and getting very close to hitting him. The police didn't say he couldn't fly it in my yard but did ask him to stop doing so in order to avoid conflict. That only seemed to egg him on.","c_root_id_A":"dchzk4l","c_root_id_B":"dchzzwd","created_at_utc_A":1484580661,"created_at_utc_B":1484581257,"score_A":62,"score_B":187,"human_ref_A":"I bet he didnt register it with the FAA. Report him to them. You've got the rare case where he admits the drone was his, it was flying in a harassing manner, and you can back that all up with a paper trail. This raises an interesting legal question. This isnt advice as I honestly dont know the answer. Drones can hurt and even kill people. We've already seen people prosecuted for drone crashes in the US, and the fast drones can go a good 200-300 MPH, which would be lethal if it hit anyone. Some states allow you to use force to protect your property\/pets. So in those states, would it be legal to shoot the drone down if its harassing your dog?","human_ref_B":"In answer to your question, right now you just ignore him. There's nothing criminal here. You did not intentionally destroy his drone. So, even if he were to complain to the police, they are not very likely to press charges. And that leaves a civil suit. It is possible that he may sue you. If he does, it would almost certainly be in small claims court. And, if he does, be sure to show up. Best to bring a copy of whatever police records there are from the time you complained about him doing this. He has an exceedingly small chance of winning that case, though. You have no duty to keep your dog from jumping after drones flying just above his height in your yard. But, your neighbor has a duty to avoid interfering with the reasonable use of your property.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":596.0,"score_ratio":3.0161290323} {"post_id":"5oa42v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Dog ate my Neighbor's Drone - Am I liable? (IL) Not sure what to do. Earlier today my neighbor came pounding on my door screaming obscenities and shouting at me. When I finally got him to stop yelling I found out that he was flying his drone in my backyard again and this time my dog finally managed to catch it and destroy it. He claims this was a $900 drone and I had to pay him right then and there. I refused and closed the door in his face. A couple hours later police showed up to retrieve the drone; it was still in my yard, but my dog completely ignored it once it stopped buzzing; and ask about the situation. The said neighbor called them stating that I refused him access to my yard to get it. That's not true, he never asked. I'm worried the neighbor will try to press charges against me for destruction of property or sue me. Will he have any legal standing if this does go to court? He has a history of flying his drone low over my yard to tease my dog. I have asked him to stop several times, which he always refuses telling me that I don't own the air above my yard. I have called the police to complain once before, he was doing \"fly bys\" over my dog and getting very close to hitting him. The police didn't say he couldn't fly it in my yard but did ask him to stop doing so in order to avoid conflict. That only seemed to egg him on.","c_root_id_A":"dchw9va","c_root_id_B":"dci605o","created_at_utc_A":1484575397,"created_at_utc_B":1484588693,"score_A":64,"score_B":65,"human_ref_A":"Hahaha, I'm pretty sure this numbnuts neighbor can't have it both ways. Sure, you don't own the air above your yard, but he essentially is attacking your dog on your dog's home turf and he obviously flew low enough the dog could attack it (which your neighbor has been goading him to do repeatedly). Unless you're sued, I would certainly respond to your neighbor with something along the lines of \"Well, I've asked you several times to stop flying your drone in this manner so we could avoid this exact scenario. And since this happened over my property, there's not a damn thing I'm going to do to help you out here. . . \"","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer but it sounds to me like your neighbor is blowing smoke. I fly drones quite a bit and as some of the other people have said it needs a registration number above 0.55lbs. Check the bottom or the top of the drone. If you don't see a clear, printed, or marked registration number that can be reported to the FAA. I suspect the threat of this would make the guy go away fairly easily. Considering this guy sounds like an A-hole I'm willing to bet he doesn't have his registered. --Failure to register an unmanned aircraft may result in regulatory and criminal penalties. The FAA may assess civil penalties up to $27,500. Criminal penalties include fines of up to $250,000 and\/or imprisonment for up to three years. There is no one-size-fits-all enforcement action for violations. All aspects of a violation will be considered, along with mitigating and aggravating circumstances surrounding the violation. In general, the FAA will attempt to educate operators who fail to comply with registration requirements. However, fines will remain an option when egregious circumstances are present.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13296.0,"score_ratio":1.015625} {"post_id":"5oa42v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Dog ate my Neighbor's Drone - Am I liable? (IL) Not sure what to do. Earlier today my neighbor came pounding on my door screaming obscenities and shouting at me. When I finally got him to stop yelling I found out that he was flying his drone in my backyard again and this time my dog finally managed to catch it and destroy it. He claims this was a $900 drone and I had to pay him right then and there. I refused and closed the door in his face. A couple hours later police showed up to retrieve the drone; it was still in my yard, but my dog completely ignored it once it stopped buzzing; and ask about the situation. The said neighbor called them stating that I refused him access to my yard to get it. That's not true, he never asked. I'm worried the neighbor will try to press charges against me for destruction of property or sue me. Will he have any legal standing if this does go to court? He has a history of flying his drone low over my yard to tease my dog. I have asked him to stop several times, which he always refuses telling me that I don't own the air above my yard. I have called the police to complain once before, he was doing \"fly bys\" over my dog and getting very close to hitting him. The police didn't say he couldn't fly it in my yard but did ask him to stop doing so in order to avoid conflict. That only seemed to egg him on.","c_root_id_A":"dchw9va","c_root_id_B":"dcid1im","created_at_utc_A":1484575397,"created_at_utc_B":1484596819,"score_A":64,"score_B":65,"human_ref_A":"Hahaha, I'm pretty sure this numbnuts neighbor can't have it both ways. Sure, you don't own the air above your yard, but he essentially is attacking your dog on your dog's home turf and he obviously flew low enough the dog could attack it (which your neighbor has been goading him to do repeatedly). Unless you're sued, I would certainly respond to your neighbor with something along the lines of \"Well, I've asked you several times to stop flying your drone in this manner so we could avoid this exact scenario. And since this happened over my property, there's not a damn thing I'm going to do to help you out here. . . \"","human_ref_B":"Like a few people mentioned - keep an eye on your dog. We had something similar happen. Neighbors kids kept throwing things AT my dogs trying to hit them, parents got angry when my lab destroyed a RC car they threw over the fence and was trying to run over my JRT. Told em to get bent, we had video of them trying to hurt our dogs and wouldn't be paying them shit, came home early one day with a bowl of antifreeze sitting inside our fence line. Your crazy neighbor might try and take it out on your dog, so just make sure to check your yard if possible for things that might have gotten tossed over and poisoned and keep an eye on him!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21422.0,"score_ratio":1.015625} {"post_id":"5oa42v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Dog ate my Neighbor's Drone - Am I liable? (IL) Not sure what to do. Earlier today my neighbor came pounding on my door screaming obscenities and shouting at me. When I finally got him to stop yelling I found out that he was flying his drone in my backyard again and this time my dog finally managed to catch it and destroy it. He claims this was a $900 drone and I had to pay him right then and there. I refused and closed the door in his face. A couple hours later police showed up to retrieve the drone; it was still in my yard, but my dog completely ignored it once it stopped buzzing; and ask about the situation. The said neighbor called them stating that I refused him access to my yard to get it. That's not true, he never asked. I'm worried the neighbor will try to press charges against me for destruction of property or sue me. Will he have any legal standing if this does go to court? He has a history of flying his drone low over my yard to tease my dog. I have asked him to stop several times, which he always refuses telling me that I don't own the air above my yard. I have called the police to complain once before, he was doing \"fly bys\" over my dog and getting very close to hitting him. The police didn't say he couldn't fly it in my yard but did ask him to stop doing so in order to avoid conflict. That only seemed to egg him on.","c_root_id_A":"dchzk4l","c_root_id_B":"dci605o","created_at_utc_A":1484580661,"created_at_utc_B":1484588693,"score_A":62,"score_B":65,"human_ref_A":"I bet he didnt register it with the FAA. Report him to them. You've got the rare case where he admits the drone was his, it was flying in a harassing manner, and you can back that all up with a paper trail. This raises an interesting legal question. This isnt advice as I honestly dont know the answer. Drones can hurt and even kill people. We've already seen people prosecuted for drone crashes in the US, and the fast drones can go a good 200-300 MPH, which would be lethal if it hit anyone. Some states allow you to use force to protect your property\/pets. So in those states, would it be legal to shoot the drone down if its harassing your dog?","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer but it sounds to me like your neighbor is blowing smoke. I fly drones quite a bit and as some of the other people have said it needs a registration number above 0.55lbs. Check the bottom or the top of the drone. If you don't see a clear, printed, or marked registration number that can be reported to the FAA. I suspect the threat of this would make the guy go away fairly easily. Considering this guy sounds like an A-hole I'm willing to bet he doesn't have his registered. --Failure to register an unmanned aircraft may result in regulatory and criminal penalties. The FAA may assess civil penalties up to $27,500. Criminal penalties include fines of up to $250,000 and\/or imprisonment for up to three years. There is no one-size-fits-all enforcement action for violations. All aspects of a violation will be considered, along with mitigating and aggravating circumstances surrounding the violation. In general, the FAA will attempt to educate operators who fail to comply with registration requirements. However, fines will remain an option when egregious circumstances are present.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8032.0,"score_ratio":1.0483870968} {"post_id":"5oa42v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Dog ate my Neighbor's Drone - Am I liable? (IL) Not sure what to do. Earlier today my neighbor came pounding on my door screaming obscenities and shouting at me. When I finally got him to stop yelling I found out that he was flying his drone in my backyard again and this time my dog finally managed to catch it and destroy it. He claims this was a $900 drone and I had to pay him right then and there. I refused and closed the door in his face. A couple hours later police showed up to retrieve the drone; it was still in my yard, but my dog completely ignored it once it stopped buzzing; and ask about the situation. The said neighbor called them stating that I refused him access to my yard to get it. That's not true, he never asked. I'm worried the neighbor will try to press charges against me for destruction of property or sue me. Will he have any legal standing if this does go to court? He has a history of flying his drone low over my yard to tease my dog. I have asked him to stop several times, which he always refuses telling me that I don't own the air above my yard. I have called the police to complain once before, he was doing \"fly bys\" over my dog and getting very close to hitting him. The police didn't say he couldn't fly it in my yard but did ask him to stop doing so in order to avoid conflict. That only seemed to egg him on.","c_root_id_A":"dchzk4l","c_root_id_B":"dcid1im","created_at_utc_A":1484580661,"created_at_utc_B":1484596819,"score_A":62,"score_B":65,"human_ref_A":"I bet he didnt register it with the FAA. Report him to them. You've got the rare case where he admits the drone was his, it was flying in a harassing manner, and you can back that all up with a paper trail. This raises an interesting legal question. This isnt advice as I honestly dont know the answer. Drones can hurt and even kill people. We've already seen people prosecuted for drone crashes in the US, and the fast drones can go a good 200-300 MPH, which would be lethal if it hit anyone. Some states allow you to use force to protect your property\/pets. So in those states, would it be legal to shoot the drone down if its harassing your dog?","human_ref_B":"Like a few people mentioned - keep an eye on your dog. We had something similar happen. Neighbors kids kept throwing things AT my dogs trying to hit them, parents got angry when my lab destroyed a RC car they threw over the fence and was trying to run over my JRT. Told em to get bent, we had video of them trying to hurt our dogs and wouldn't be paying them shit, came home early one day with a bowl of antifreeze sitting inside our fence line. Your crazy neighbor might try and take it out on your dog, so just make sure to check your yard if possible for things that might have gotten tossed over and poisoned and keep an eye on him!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16158.0,"score_ratio":1.0483870968} {"post_id":"4hl7c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[KY] My Wife and I made an offer on a house and it was accepted. The seller is now attempting to rent out the house over Kentucky Derby Weekend for $2,000 on Air BNB\/Facebook right after our inspection! Title says it all. I have saved a screenshot of the facebook post. I'm going to get in touch with my Realtor tomorrow since it's really late at night but i was curious if i could get a response on here first! He CANT do this, right?","c_root_id_A":"d2qmcuz","c_root_id_B":"d2qjlcr","created_at_utc_A":1462247857,"created_at_utc_B":1462243329,"score_A":53,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"the inspection is for structural issues, however it would be a good idea to get that inspection moved to right after the party, an event like that should do better to uncover any problems with the shitter line or the electricity than a regular inspection would find","human_ref_B":"you don't own the house before closing, as the owner of the house the guy can do anything he wants.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4528.0,"score_ratio":6.625} {"post_id":"4hl7c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[KY] My Wife and I made an offer on a house and it was accepted. The seller is now attempting to rent out the house over Kentucky Derby Weekend for $2,000 on Air BNB\/Facebook right after our inspection! Title says it all. I have saved a screenshot of the facebook post. I'm going to get in touch with my Realtor tomorrow since it's really late at night but i was curious if i could get a response on here first! He CANT do this, right?","c_root_id_A":"d2qjlcr","c_root_id_B":"d2qw1xs","created_at_utc_A":1462243329,"created_at_utc_B":1462276345,"score_A":8,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"you don't own the house before closing, as the owner of the house the guy can do anything he wants.","human_ref_B":"Speaking as someone who has gone to the Kentucky Derby: Most people who go to the Kentucky Derby to party aren't doing so in their rented house\/hotel room, they will go and celebrate out in downtown Louisville. Also, most people going to the Derby to party hard can't afford $2,000 for accommodations. The demographic of people who spend a lot of money to attend Derby, get dressed up, sit in the grandstand or in boxes, etc., tends to be middle age adults. Most of them are tired after 8+ hours in the sun. Not saying there is no chance someone is going to throw a rager in the house, but I think it is a pretty safe bet the house will be fine.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":33016.0,"score_ratio":1.625} {"post_id":"4hl7c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[KY] My Wife and I made an offer on a house and it was accepted. The seller is now attempting to rent out the house over Kentucky Derby Weekend for $2,000 on Air BNB\/Facebook right after our inspection! Title says it all. I have saved a screenshot of the facebook post. I'm going to get in touch with my Realtor tomorrow since it's really late at night but i was curious if i could get a response on here first! He CANT do this, right?","c_root_id_A":"d2qy181","c_root_id_B":"d2r1tpj","created_at_utc_A":1462280704,"created_at_utc_B":1462286803,"score_A":10,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"A word of caution is to take pictures beforehand too. I know all about the final walk through, but if it is not a new home, what the other side argues is that it was already like that. Double check any appliances that arent \"as is\" if they are being provided as well. Unless it was very blatant damage, then it will be hard to prove your case. A lot of the times, you find things covering damage around the home as well. Rugs that cover stains or holes. Paintings that cover damaged walls or holes, and even furniture that was painted around so after they move you have 2 different color walls with one color shaped around that furniture. If it is an older home, I would also get a home inspection done as well. A lot of these things are fair game if it is a resale and was \"already\" like that.","human_ref_B":"Yes, he can do that, it's still his property. **ALWAYS** do a walk-through to inspect the house right before closing. Like, 15 minutes before closing. You purchase\/sale contract should give you remedies in case that inspection turns up anything that gives you pause. (in my house, a water line had burst the night before closing, if we hadn't done a walk-through, it would have been our problem, but since we did, it was the seller's problem.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6099.0,"score_ratio":1.3} {"post_id":"4hl7c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[KY] My Wife and I made an offer on a house and it was accepted. The seller is now attempting to rent out the house over Kentucky Derby Weekend for $2,000 on Air BNB\/Facebook right after our inspection! Title says it all. I have saved a screenshot of the facebook post. I'm going to get in touch with my Realtor tomorrow since it's really late at night but i was curious if i could get a response on here first! He CANT do this, right?","c_root_id_A":"d2r1tpj","c_root_id_B":"d2qjlcr","created_at_utc_A":1462286803,"created_at_utc_B":1462243329,"score_A":13,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Yes, he can do that, it's still his property. **ALWAYS** do a walk-through to inspect the house right before closing. Like, 15 minutes before closing. You purchase\/sale contract should give you remedies in case that inspection turns up anything that gives you pause. (in my house, a water line had burst the night before closing, if we hadn't done a walk-through, it would have been our problem, but since we did, it was the seller's problem.)","human_ref_B":"you don't own the house before closing, as the owner of the house the guy can do anything he wants.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":43474.0,"score_ratio":1.625} {"post_id":"4hl7c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[KY] My Wife and I made an offer on a house and it was accepted. The seller is now attempting to rent out the house over Kentucky Derby Weekend for $2,000 on Air BNB\/Facebook right after our inspection! Title says it all. I have saved a screenshot of the facebook post. I'm going to get in touch with my Realtor tomorrow since it's really late at night but i was curious if i could get a response on here first! He CANT do this, right?","c_root_id_A":"d2r1tpj","c_root_id_B":"d2qxsj0","created_at_utc_A":1462286803,"created_at_utc_B":1462280228,"score_A":13,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Yes, he can do that, it's still his property. **ALWAYS** do a walk-through to inspect the house right before closing. Like, 15 minutes before closing. You purchase\/sale contract should give you remedies in case that inspection turns up anything that gives you pause. (in my house, a water line had burst the night before closing, if we hadn't done a walk-through, it would have been our problem, but since we did, it was the seller's problem.)","human_ref_B":"Neighbor here tried to rent his house out right after an offer for the college world series. He did it, the renter trashed it, he was sued by the buyer, and ended up having the home foreclosed on in the end. He was trying to make a quick buck and had the buyer walk and just downward spiraled from there. The desperation stemmed from job loss and a divorce but at","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6575.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667} {"post_id":"4hl7c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[KY] My Wife and I made an offer on a house and it was accepted. The seller is now attempting to rent out the house over Kentucky Derby Weekend for $2,000 on Air BNB\/Facebook right after our inspection! Title says it all. I have saved a screenshot of the facebook post. I'm going to get in touch with my Realtor tomorrow since it's really late at night but i was curious if i could get a response on here first! He CANT do this, right?","c_root_id_A":"d2qy20p","c_root_id_B":"d2r1tpj","created_at_utc_A":1462280745,"created_at_utc_B":1462286803,"score_A":5,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Did your inspection include pictures? I'm not a lawyer, but the seller owns the house until the transaction date, so I'm pretty sure he's within his rights. Your recourse is to ensure the house is in the same condition as it was during the inspection.","human_ref_B":"Yes, he can do that, it's still his property. **ALWAYS** do a walk-through to inspect the house right before closing. Like, 15 minutes before closing. You purchase\/sale contract should give you remedies in case that inspection turns up anything that gives you pause. (in my house, a water line had burst the night before closing, if we hadn't done a walk-through, it would have been our problem, but since we did, it was the seller's problem.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6058.0,"score_ratio":2.6} {"post_id":"4hl7c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[KY] My Wife and I made an offer on a house and it was accepted. The seller is now attempting to rent out the house over Kentucky Derby Weekend for $2,000 on Air BNB\/Facebook right after our inspection! Title says it all. I have saved a screenshot of the facebook post. I'm going to get in touch with my Realtor tomorrow since it's really late at night but i was curious if i could get a response on here first! He CANT do this, right?","c_root_id_A":"d2qz3je","c_root_id_B":"d2r1tpj","created_at_utc_A":1462282619,"created_at_utc_B":1462286803,"score_A":6,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Have you signed a contract? If so, I think it would be reasonable to demand that he indemnify you against any loss or damage. The buyer is on the hook for losses during the escrow period, so for the seller to increase the risk of loss is probably outside the terms of a land sale contract. Talk to your realtor ASAP.","human_ref_B":"Yes, he can do that, it's still his property. **ALWAYS** do a walk-through to inspect the house right before closing. Like, 15 minutes before closing. You purchase\/sale contract should give you remedies in case that inspection turns up anything that gives you pause. (in my house, a water line had burst the night before closing, if we hadn't done a walk-through, it would have been our problem, but since we did, it was the seller's problem.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4184.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667} {"post_id":"4hl7c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[KY] My Wife and I made an offer on a house and it was accepted. The seller is now attempting to rent out the house over Kentucky Derby Weekend for $2,000 on Air BNB\/Facebook right after our inspection! Title says it all. I have saved a screenshot of the facebook post. I'm going to get in touch with my Realtor tomorrow since it's really late at night but i was curious if i could get a response on here first! He CANT do this, right?","c_root_id_A":"d2qjlcr","c_root_id_B":"d2qy181","created_at_utc_A":1462243329,"created_at_utc_B":1462280704,"score_A":8,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"you don't own the house before closing, as the owner of the house the guy can do anything he wants.","human_ref_B":"A word of caution is to take pictures beforehand too. I know all about the final walk through, but if it is not a new home, what the other side argues is that it was already like that. Double check any appliances that arent \"as is\" if they are being provided as well. Unless it was very blatant damage, then it will be hard to prove your case. A lot of the times, you find things covering damage around the home as well. Rugs that cover stains or holes. Paintings that cover damaged walls or holes, and even furniture that was painted around so after they move you have 2 different color walls with one color shaped around that furniture. If it is an older home, I would also get a home inspection done as well. A lot of these things are fair game if it is a resale and was \"already\" like that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":37375.0,"score_ratio":1.25} {"post_id":"4hl7c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[KY] My Wife and I made an offer on a house and it was accepted. The seller is now attempting to rent out the house over Kentucky Derby Weekend for $2,000 on Air BNB\/Facebook right after our inspection! Title says it all. I have saved a screenshot of the facebook post. I'm going to get in touch with my Realtor tomorrow since it's really late at night but i was curious if i could get a response on here first! He CANT do this, right?","c_root_id_A":"d2qxsj0","c_root_id_B":"d2qy181","created_at_utc_A":1462280228,"created_at_utc_B":1462280704,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Neighbor here tried to rent his house out right after an offer for the college world series. He did it, the renter trashed it, he was sued by the buyer, and ended up having the home foreclosed on in the end. He was trying to make a quick buck and had the buyer walk and just downward spiraled from there. The desperation stemmed from job loss and a divorce but at","human_ref_B":"A word of caution is to take pictures beforehand too. I know all about the final walk through, but if it is not a new home, what the other side argues is that it was already like that. Double check any appliances that arent \"as is\" if they are being provided as well. Unless it was very blatant damage, then it will be hard to prove your case. A lot of the times, you find things covering damage around the home as well. Rugs that cover stains or holes. Paintings that cover damaged walls or holes, and even furniture that was painted around so after they move you have 2 different color walls with one color shaped around that furniture. If it is an older home, I would also get a home inspection done as well. A lot of these things are fair game if it is a resale and was \"already\" like that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":476.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} {"post_id":"4hl7c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[KY] My Wife and I made an offer on a house and it was accepted. The seller is now attempting to rent out the house over Kentucky Derby Weekend for $2,000 on Air BNB\/Facebook right after our inspection! Title says it all. I have saved a screenshot of the facebook post. I'm going to get in touch with my Realtor tomorrow since it's really late at night but i was curious if i could get a response on here first! He CANT do this, right?","c_root_id_A":"d2qy20p","c_root_id_B":"d2qz3je","created_at_utc_A":1462280745,"created_at_utc_B":1462282619,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Did your inspection include pictures? I'm not a lawyer, but the seller owns the house until the transaction date, so I'm pretty sure he's within his rights. Your recourse is to ensure the house is in the same condition as it was during the inspection.","human_ref_B":"Have you signed a contract? If so, I think it would be reasonable to demand that he indemnify you against any loss or damage. The buyer is on the hook for losses during the escrow period, so for the seller to increase the risk of loss is probably outside the terms of a land sale contract. Talk to your realtor ASAP.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1874.0,"score_ratio":1.2} {"post_id":"50cafa","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[MI] Landlord threatening to evict me for violating the lease based on behavior not referenced in the lease that he discovered by going through my stuff when I wasn't there. Just moved into a new place and apparently my landlord is a little crazy. Long story short, the AC that the lease states the landlord is responsible for providing and maintaining doesn't work in my apartment. I had to buy a portable AC because it's been 80+ degrees here and it's totally unlivable without working AC. The portable AC cost $400 something. When I discovered the AC didn't work, I went to open the window and discovered that my window was busted too. It's not aligned in the frame properly, so the window comes right out if you pull on it with even the slightest force. Emailed the LL 3-4 times over it, he says saying the AC units are backordered and that the he and the maintenance guy will be in on Monday (yesterday) to fix the window. The go in to fix the place while I'm at work. I use a nicotine vape. Landlord apparently found the vape juice in a drawer in my dresser (where he had no reason to be) and sent me an email saying he is looking into terminating my lease because I am violating the tobacco clause. My lease expressly states: \"The tenant shall not smoke or ingest tobacco or tobacco based-products, including cigarettes, pipe tobacco, chewing tobacco, or other, on property grounds. A violation of this clause is grounds for termination of agreement between landlord and tenant.\" My vape doesn't have tobacco in it. It has nicotine in it. And I haven't even used it in the new apartment, because the actual vape is packed away and I don't even know what box it's in. I just unpacked the juice in my dresser. I emailed him and told him as much, and told him that it's not a tobacco product, sent him a photo of the ingredients, and told him I won't ever use it in the unit or on the property, if it bothers him. He emailed me back and said he is moving forward with looking into terminating my lease on those grounds. Does he have a leg to stand on? I think he's doing this because I asked for a reduction in next month's rent in the amount of half the cost of the portable AC I had to buy because the AC doesn't work.","c_root_id_A":"d72uodu","c_root_id_B":"d72v537","created_at_utc_A":1472578559,"created_at_utc_B":1472579158,"score_A":14,"score_B":81,"human_ref_A":"The terms \"smoke or ingest\" should pretty much kill his case. Simply having the items, even if they were tobacco, isn't enough to violate the lease.","human_ref_B":"Did you ask him why he was in your dresser? You have a right to privacy and he violated that. He cannot search through your personal property. That alone makes his case even weaker.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":599.0,"score_ratio":5.7857142857} {"post_id":"50cafa","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[MI] Landlord threatening to evict me for violating the lease based on behavior not referenced in the lease that he discovered by going through my stuff when I wasn't there. Just moved into a new place and apparently my landlord is a little crazy. Long story short, the AC that the lease states the landlord is responsible for providing and maintaining doesn't work in my apartment. I had to buy a portable AC because it's been 80+ degrees here and it's totally unlivable without working AC. The portable AC cost $400 something. When I discovered the AC didn't work, I went to open the window and discovered that my window was busted too. It's not aligned in the frame properly, so the window comes right out if you pull on it with even the slightest force. Emailed the LL 3-4 times over it, he says saying the AC units are backordered and that the he and the maintenance guy will be in on Monday (yesterday) to fix the window. The go in to fix the place while I'm at work. I use a nicotine vape. Landlord apparently found the vape juice in a drawer in my dresser (where he had no reason to be) and sent me an email saying he is looking into terminating my lease because I am violating the tobacco clause. My lease expressly states: \"The tenant shall not smoke or ingest tobacco or tobacco based-products, including cigarettes, pipe tobacco, chewing tobacco, or other, on property grounds. A violation of this clause is grounds for termination of agreement between landlord and tenant.\" My vape doesn't have tobacco in it. It has nicotine in it. And I haven't even used it in the new apartment, because the actual vape is packed away and I don't even know what box it's in. I just unpacked the juice in my dresser. I emailed him and told him as much, and told him that it's not a tobacco product, sent him a photo of the ingredients, and told him I won't ever use it in the unit or on the property, if it bothers him. He emailed me back and said he is moving forward with looking into terminating my lease on those grounds. Does he have a leg to stand on? I think he's doing this because I asked for a reduction in next month's rent in the amount of half the cost of the portable AC I had to buy because the AC doesn't work.","c_root_id_A":"d72v537","c_root_id_B":"d72u9ze","created_at_utc_A":1472579158,"created_at_utc_B":1472578057,"score_A":81,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Did you ask him why he was in your dresser? You have a right to privacy and he violated that. He cannot search through your personal property. That alone makes his case even weaker.","human_ref_B":"He can certainly try. And you can certainly go to court to argue that merely being in possession of vape juice does not terminate your lease.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1101.0,"score_ratio":20.25} {"post_id":"50cafa","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[MI] Landlord threatening to evict me for violating the lease based on behavior not referenced in the lease that he discovered by going through my stuff when I wasn't there. Just moved into a new place and apparently my landlord is a little crazy. Long story short, the AC that the lease states the landlord is responsible for providing and maintaining doesn't work in my apartment. I had to buy a portable AC because it's been 80+ degrees here and it's totally unlivable without working AC. The portable AC cost $400 something. When I discovered the AC didn't work, I went to open the window and discovered that my window was busted too. It's not aligned in the frame properly, so the window comes right out if you pull on it with even the slightest force. Emailed the LL 3-4 times over it, he says saying the AC units are backordered and that the he and the maintenance guy will be in on Monday (yesterday) to fix the window. The go in to fix the place while I'm at work. I use a nicotine vape. Landlord apparently found the vape juice in a drawer in my dresser (where he had no reason to be) and sent me an email saying he is looking into terminating my lease because I am violating the tobacco clause. My lease expressly states: \"The tenant shall not smoke or ingest tobacco or tobacco based-products, including cigarettes, pipe tobacco, chewing tobacco, or other, on property grounds. A violation of this clause is grounds for termination of agreement between landlord and tenant.\" My vape doesn't have tobacco in it. It has nicotine in it. And I haven't even used it in the new apartment, because the actual vape is packed away and I don't even know what box it's in. I just unpacked the juice in my dresser. I emailed him and told him as much, and told him that it's not a tobacco product, sent him a photo of the ingredients, and told him I won't ever use it in the unit or on the property, if it bothers him. He emailed me back and said he is moving forward with looking into terminating my lease on those grounds. Does he have a leg to stand on? I think he's doing this because I asked for a reduction in next month's rent in the amount of half the cost of the portable AC I had to buy because the AC doesn't work.","c_root_id_A":"d72vvva","c_root_id_B":"d72uodu","created_at_utc_A":1472580093,"created_at_utc_B":1472578559,"score_A":45,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Yeah this dude has a weak case. Honestly I would use this to attempt to allow him to break the lease. Crazy landlords are the worst. Say something like this: \"Dear Landlord, You cannot terminate the lease because that is not a tobacco product and I did not smoke or ingest it within the property. If you would like to try and legally evict me you are free to do so. If you decide to I will see you in court. If not I will willingly allow the lease to be broken if you refund my [INSERT ALL COSTS YOU HAD HERE]. ~~If you decide not to take me up on my offer I will be reporting your illegal search of my property to the authorities.~~ Have a nice day!\" Edit: Im being told that part is extortion. Probably shouldn't do that. You can still report the illegal search (and even tell him you are reporting it) but don't tell him you will report it unless he pays.","human_ref_B":"The terms \"smoke or ingest\" should pretty much kill his case. Simply having the items, even if they were tobacco, isn't enough to violate the lease.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1534.0,"score_ratio":3.2142857143} {"post_id":"50cafa","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[MI] Landlord threatening to evict me for violating the lease based on behavior not referenced in the lease that he discovered by going through my stuff when I wasn't there. Just moved into a new place and apparently my landlord is a little crazy. Long story short, the AC that the lease states the landlord is responsible for providing and maintaining doesn't work in my apartment. I had to buy a portable AC because it's been 80+ degrees here and it's totally unlivable without working AC. The portable AC cost $400 something. When I discovered the AC didn't work, I went to open the window and discovered that my window was busted too. It's not aligned in the frame properly, so the window comes right out if you pull on it with even the slightest force. Emailed the LL 3-4 times over it, he says saying the AC units are backordered and that the he and the maintenance guy will be in on Monday (yesterday) to fix the window. The go in to fix the place while I'm at work. I use a nicotine vape. Landlord apparently found the vape juice in a drawer in my dresser (where he had no reason to be) and sent me an email saying he is looking into terminating my lease because I am violating the tobacco clause. My lease expressly states: \"The tenant shall not smoke or ingest tobacco or tobacco based-products, including cigarettes, pipe tobacco, chewing tobacco, or other, on property grounds. A violation of this clause is grounds for termination of agreement between landlord and tenant.\" My vape doesn't have tobacco in it. It has nicotine in it. And I haven't even used it in the new apartment, because the actual vape is packed away and I don't even know what box it's in. I just unpacked the juice in my dresser. I emailed him and told him as much, and told him that it's not a tobacco product, sent him a photo of the ingredients, and told him I won't ever use it in the unit or on the property, if it bothers him. He emailed me back and said he is moving forward with looking into terminating my lease on those grounds. Does he have a leg to stand on? I think he's doing this because I asked for a reduction in next month's rent in the amount of half the cost of the portable AC I had to buy because the AC doesn't work.","c_root_id_A":"d72u9ze","c_root_id_B":"d72vvva","created_at_utc_A":1472578057,"created_at_utc_B":1472580093,"score_A":4,"score_B":45,"human_ref_A":"He can certainly try. And you can certainly go to court to argue that merely being in possession of vape juice does not terminate your lease.","human_ref_B":"Yeah this dude has a weak case. Honestly I would use this to attempt to allow him to break the lease. Crazy landlords are the worst. Say something like this: \"Dear Landlord, You cannot terminate the lease because that is not a tobacco product and I did not smoke or ingest it within the property. If you would like to try and legally evict me you are free to do so. If you decide to I will see you in court. If not I will willingly allow the lease to be broken if you refund my [INSERT ALL COSTS YOU HAD HERE]. ~~If you decide not to take me up on my offer I will be reporting your illegal search of my property to the authorities.~~ Have a nice day!\" Edit: Im being told that part is extortion. Probably shouldn't do that. You can still report the illegal search (and even tell him you are reporting it) but don't tell him you will report it unless he pays.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2036.0,"score_ratio":11.25} {"post_id":"50cafa","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[MI] Landlord threatening to evict me for violating the lease based on behavior not referenced in the lease that he discovered by going through my stuff when I wasn't there. Just moved into a new place and apparently my landlord is a little crazy. Long story short, the AC that the lease states the landlord is responsible for providing and maintaining doesn't work in my apartment. I had to buy a portable AC because it's been 80+ degrees here and it's totally unlivable without working AC. The portable AC cost $400 something. When I discovered the AC didn't work, I went to open the window and discovered that my window was busted too. It's not aligned in the frame properly, so the window comes right out if you pull on it with even the slightest force. Emailed the LL 3-4 times over it, he says saying the AC units are backordered and that the he and the maintenance guy will be in on Monday (yesterday) to fix the window. The go in to fix the place while I'm at work. I use a nicotine vape. Landlord apparently found the vape juice in a drawer in my dresser (where he had no reason to be) and sent me an email saying he is looking into terminating my lease because I am violating the tobacco clause. My lease expressly states: \"The tenant shall not smoke or ingest tobacco or tobacco based-products, including cigarettes, pipe tobacco, chewing tobacco, or other, on property grounds. A violation of this clause is grounds for termination of agreement between landlord and tenant.\" My vape doesn't have tobacco in it. It has nicotine in it. And I haven't even used it in the new apartment, because the actual vape is packed away and I don't even know what box it's in. I just unpacked the juice in my dresser. I emailed him and told him as much, and told him that it's not a tobacco product, sent him a photo of the ingredients, and told him I won't ever use it in the unit or on the property, if it bothers him. He emailed me back and said he is moving forward with looking into terminating my lease on those grounds. Does he have a leg to stand on? I think he's doing this because I asked for a reduction in next month's rent in the amount of half the cost of the portable AC I had to buy because the AC doesn't work.","c_root_id_A":"d72uodu","c_root_id_B":"d72u9ze","created_at_utc_A":1472578559,"created_at_utc_B":1472578057,"score_A":14,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"The terms \"smoke or ingest\" should pretty much kill his case. Simply having the items, even if they were tobacco, isn't enough to violate the lease.","human_ref_B":"He can certainly try. And you can certainly go to court to argue that merely being in possession of vape juice does not terminate your lease.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":502.0,"score_ratio":3.5} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"ia9f2ul","c_root_id_B":"ia9mefg","created_at_utc_A":1653699612,"created_at_utc_B":1653703481,"score_A":288,"score_B":1268,"human_ref_A":"If your name wasn\u2019t on the lease you don\u2019t owe and they can\u2019t ding your credit. They are most likely trying to scare you into paying your fathers debt since he has no other assets to satisfy the debt.","human_ref_B":"Do not in any way agree to pay for your dad's debts. Creditors often send letters demanding payment to any survivors or relatives in hopes you will agree to the debt. You are under no legal obligation to do so if your name isn't on the lease, loan, or contract. They cannot collect against an estate with $0, so they are trying to recoup their costs in this shady way. It's gross, and unfortunately, a lot of people feel obligated when they shouldn't. Warn your other relatives in case they receive similar letters.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3869.0,"score_ratio":4.4027777778} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"ia9kymb","c_root_id_B":"ia9mefg","created_at_utc_A":1653702714,"created_at_utc_B":1653703481,"score_A":23,"score_B":1268,"human_ref_A":"Refer the landlord to the executor and\/or forward this notice to the executor\u2019s lawyer. Their probate lawyer will handle this.","human_ref_B":"Do not in any way agree to pay for your dad's debts. Creditors often send letters demanding payment to any survivors or relatives in hopes you will agree to the debt. You are under no legal obligation to do so if your name isn't on the lease, loan, or contract. They cannot collect against an estate with $0, so they are trying to recoup their costs in this shady way. It's gross, and unfortunately, a lot of people feel obligated when they shouldn't. Warn your other relatives in case they receive similar letters.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":767.0,"score_ratio":55.1304347826} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"ia9mrl2","c_root_id_B":"ia9kymb","created_at_utc_A":1653703678,"created_at_utc_B":1653702714,"score_A":167,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"This is a fairly common thing for debt collectors to do. They try to guilt or threaten relatives of a deceased debtor into paying off their debts. You have no responsibility, either legal or moral, to pay your father's debts. You can either ignore them or tell them to go pound sand, as you prefer.","human_ref_B":"Refer the landlord to the executor and\/or forward this notice to the executor\u2019s lawyer. Their probate lawyer will handle this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":964.0,"score_ratio":7.2608695652} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"ia9kymb","c_root_id_B":"ia9vit7","created_at_utc_A":1653702714,"created_at_utc_B":1653708330,"score_A":23,"score_B":91,"human_ref_A":"Refer the landlord to the executor and\/or forward this notice to the executor\u2019s lawyer. Their probate lawyer will handle this.","human_ref_B":"All info from others is spot on. YOU OWE NOTHING AND NEVER WILL. Here's a quick article reaffirming what has already been said here. https:\/\/www.moneymanagement.org\/blog\/when-are-you-responsible-for-a-deceased-relatives-debt","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5616.0,"score_ratio":3.9565217391} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"iaa2y7s","c_root_id_B":"ia9wolk","created_at_utc_A":1653712933,"created_at_utc_B":1653708965,"score_A":67,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"The only people responsible for the lease and, therefore, any money owed are those who signed the lease. As long as you didn\u2019t sign it, it\u2019s not your responsibility nor can they do anything to hurt your credit\/go after you for the amount. As a side note, I\u2019m sorry this is happening to you during such an awful time! I was a landlord for a little over 2 years and had several tenants pass away. Our stance to the families were \u201cdon\u2019t worry about it, take your time clearing out the unit, let us know how we can help\u201d. Some got the units cleaned out in a week, I think the longest was 2 months. Once we got the keys back, we sent the family the full deposit no matter what cleaning or maintenance was needed. We were not in the business of being heartless in a heartbreaking time \ud83d\ude14 and that was probably the only \u201cgood\u201d thing about that job (showing kindness during a hardship)","human_ref_B":"Only the ESTATE (if one is ever opened up at the county courthouse probate court) is responsible for this debt. Unfortunately you will have to send the landlord a letter that says \"Only the executor of an estate is responsible for paying this debt. My father did not have enough assets to create an estate. I would kindly ask you to please apply the security deposit to this outstanding balance. Thank you for your consideration.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3968.0,"score_ratio":1.9705882353} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"ia9xflx","c_root_id_B":"iaa2y7s","created_at_utc_A":1653709400,"created_at_utc_B":1653712933,"score_A":27,"score_B":67,"human_ref_A":"TOD accounts and insurance pass directly to the benificiary and are NOT. Part of the estate. You are not responsible for your father's debts unless you signed on the lease.","human_ref_B":"The only people responsible for the lease and, therefore, any money owed are those who signed the lease. As long as you didn\u2019t sign it, it\u2019s not your responsibility nor can they do anything to hurt your credit\/go after you for the amount. As a side note, I\u2019m sorry this is happening to you during such an awful time! I was a landlord for a little over 2 years and had several tenants pass away. Our stance to the families were \u201cdon\u2019t worry about it, take your time clearing out the unit, let us know how we can help\u201d. Some got the units cleaned out in a week, I think the longest was 2 months. Once we got the keys back, we sent the family the full deposit no matter what cleaning or maintenance was needed. We were not in the business of being heartless in a heartbreaking time \ud83d\ude14 and that was probably the only \u201cgood\u201d thing about that job (showing kindness during a hardship)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3533.0,"score_ratio":2.4814814815} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"iaa2y7s","c_root_id_B":"ia9kymb","created_at_utc_A":1653712933,"created_at_utc_B":1653702714,"score_A":67,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"The only people responsible for the lease and, therefore, any money owed are those who signed the lease. As long as you didn\u2019t sign it, it\u2019s not your responsibility nor can they do anything to hurt your credit\/go after you for the amount. As a side note, I\u2019m sorry this is happening to you during such an awful time! I was a landlord for a little over 2 years and had several tenants pass away. Our stance to the families were \u201cdon\u2019t worry about it, take your time clearing out the unit, let us know how we can help\u201d. Some got the units cleaned out in a week, I think the longest was 2 months. Once we got the keys back, we sent the family the full deposit no matter what cleaning or maintenance was needed. We were not in the business of being heartless in a heartbreaking time \ud83d\ude14 and that was probably the only \u201cgood\u201d thing about that job (showing kindness during a hardship)","human_ref_B":"Refer the landlord to the executor and\/or forward this notice to the executor\u2019s lawyer. Their probate lawyer will handle this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10219.0,"score_ratio":2.9130434783} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"ia9wolk","c_root_id_B":"ia9kymb","created_at_utc_A":1653708965,"created_at_utc_B":1653702714,"score_A":34,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Only the ESTATE (if one is ever opened up at the county courthouse probate court) is responsible for this debt. Unfortunately you will have to send the landlord a letter that says \"Only the executor of an estate is responsible for paying this debt. My father did not have enough assets to create an estate. I would kindly ask you to please apply the security deposit to this outstanding balance. Thank you for your consideration.\"","human_ref_B":"Refer the landlord to the executor and\/or forward this notice to the executor\u2019s lawyer. Their probate lawyer will handle this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6251.0,"score_ratio":1.4782608696} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"ia9kymb","c_root_id_B":"ia9xflx","created_at_utc_A":1653702714,"created_at_utc_B":1653709400,"score_A":23,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Refer the landlord to the executor and\/or forward this notice to the executor\u2019s lawyer. Their probate lawyer will handle this.","human_ref_B":"TOD accounts and insurance pass directly to the benificiary and are NOT. Part of the estate. You are not responsible for your father's debts unless you signed on the lease.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6686.0,"score_ratio":1.1739130435} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"iabq05k","c_root_id_B":"iaa8ly3","created_at_utc_A":1653753699,"created_at_utc_B":1653717083,"score_A":10,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Dear Landlord, I have received your letter dated [whatever date] requesting payment related to my alleged tenancy for [address of residence]. In considering your request, please provide proof of my tenancy for this residence. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Respectfully, Eat shit","human_ref_B":"I am not legal, but I've seen this happen before You don't owe it any more than I owe for your father's debts and if any of the medical people tell you that you don't know that either Some people just don't have any decency I'll be glad to mail them a bag of dicks if they would like Sorry you're going through this","labels":1,"seconds_difference":36616.0,"score_ratio":1.25} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"iabq05k","c_root_id_B":"iaagyse","created_at_utc_A":1653753699,"created_at_utc_B":1653724164,"score_A":10,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Dear Landlord, I have received your letter dated [whatever date] requesting payment related to my alleged tenancy for [address of residence]. In considering your request, please provide proof of my tenancy for this residence. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Respectfully, Eat shit","human_ref_B":"Did you co sign for his apartment? If not, you are not obligated to pay it. Same thing happened when my dad died. They called me for years to try and get me to pay his last months rent. NOPE!! You do not owe it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":29535.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"iabq05k","c_root_id_B":"iablcwb","created_at_utc_A":1653753699,"created_at_utc_B":1653751526,"score_A":10,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Dear Landlord, I have received your letter dated [whatever date] requesting payment related to my alleged tenancy for [address of residence]. In considering your request, please provide proof of my tenancy for this residence. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Respectfully, Eat shit","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer, but i did work for a debt collector in Minnesota that specialized in decreased debtors. Do not pay this or communicate with them in any way that might be construed as you taking responsibility. If you are contacted by a debt collector, demand validation of the debt, then end the call. Legally they cannot pursue you for this debt after you request validation, unless they can provide it. Since you didn't sign onto the lease, the validation doesn't exist. If they do provide fraudulent validation, then someone, most likely the landlord, has committed a crime and you should contact a lawyer. Only the assets that belonged to the deceased can legally be required to be used to pay the debts of the deceased. This is done by the executor of the estate during probate. Shared assets (for example, if your house was in both your name and the deceased's name) would not count. If there are no assets, then there will probably be no probate, and no creditors will be paid. Creditors are not beholden to debt collection regulations and can claim whatever they like. However, debt collection agencies have a laundry list of regulations they need to adhere to otherwise they fall out of compliance. Those include implying that you have inherited your father's debt or that refusing to pay will lead to credit action if they are non reporters, which many debt collectors are. If possible, try to record the phone call. Just make sure to brush up on your local recording laws. Im sorry for your loss.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2173.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"iabq05k","c_root_id_B":"iaa9s6s","created_at_utc_A":1653753699,"created_at_utc_B":1653718004,"score_A":10,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Dear Landlord, I have received your letter dated [whatever date] requesting payment related to my alleged tenancy for [address of residence]. In considering your request, please provide proof of my tenancy for this residence. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Respectfully, Eat shit","human_ref_B":"You do not need to pay the medical bills. You didn't sign anything and are not responsible.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":35695.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"iabq05k","c_root_id_B":"iaa9hh2","created_at_utc_A":1653753699,"created_at_utc_B":1653717771,"score_A":10,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Dear Landlord, I have received your letter dated [whatever date] requesting payment related to my alleged tenancy for [address of residence]. In considering your request, please provide proof of my tenancy for this residence. Thank you for your attention to this matter. Respectfully, Eat shit","human_ref_B":"Throw it on the trash . Don't worry about it . They can't come after u","labels":1,"seconds_difference":35928.0,"score_ratio":2.5} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"iaagyse","c_root_id_B":"iaa9s6s","created_at_utc_A":1653724164,"created_at_utc_B":1653718004,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Did you co sign for his apartment? If not, you are not obligated to pay it. Same thing happened when my dad died. They called me for years to try and get me to pay his last months rent. NOPE!! You do not owe it.","human_ref_B":"You do not need to pay the medical bills. You didn't sign anything and are not responsible.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6160.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"iaagyse","c_root_id_B":"iaa9hh2","created_at_utc_A":1653724164,"created_at_utc_B":1653717771,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Did you co sign for his apartment? If not, you are not obligated to pay it. Same thing happened when my dad died. They called me for years to try and get me to pay his last months rent. NOPE!! You do not owe it.","human_ref_B":"Throw it on the trash . Don't worry about it . They can't come after u","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6393.0,"score_ratio":1.75} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"iaa9hh2","c_root_id_B":"iablcwb","created_at_utc_A":1653717771,"created_at_utc_B":1653751526,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Throw it on the trash . Don't worry about it . They can't come after u","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer, but i did work for a debt collector in Minnesota that specialized in decreased debtors. Do not pay this or communicate with them in any way that might be construed as you taking responsibility. If you are contacted by a debt collector, demand validation of the debt, then end the call. Legally they cannot pursue you for this debt after you request validation, unless they can provide it. Since you didn't sign onto the lease, the validation doesn't exist. If they do provide fraudulent validation, then someone, most likely the landlord, has committed a crime and you should contact a lawyer. Only the assets that belonged to the deceased can legally be required to be used to pay the debts of the deceased. This is done by the executor of the estate during probate. Shared assets (for example, if your house was in both your name and the deceased's name) would not count. If there are no assets, then there will probably be no probate, and no creditors will be paid. Creditors are not beholden to debt collection regulations and can claim whatever they like. However, debt collection agencies have a laundry list of regulations they need to adhere to otherwise they fall out of compliance. Those include implying that you have inherited your father's debt or that refusing to pay will lead to credit action if they are non reporters, which many debt collectors are. If possible, try to record the phone call. Just make sure to brush up on your local recording laws. Im sorry for your loss.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":33755.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"uzc6a6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"[MN] My father passed away and his landlord sent me a letter saying I need to pay the rent he owed or it will affect my credit. How do I dispute this? Some details: my father passed away in February. I got a few sentimental items but he had no assets. No car, and all his money went to paying for his cremation. He also owed medical bills and I think those come first. I'm not the executor and I don't want to be. I did not sign a lease and I didn't live with him. I live 200 miles away. They sent a letter as follows Dear Emphemeralwriting Please find atached a SECURITY DEPOSIT SPREADSHEET from your tenancy at [Apartment] This Spreadsheet shows there is a balance due from you in the amount of$197.I4 andalso states what was charged a long with a dollar amount. To protect your credit the total amount owed must be paid within 21 days of the date of this letter. Your money order needs to be mailed to: If you have any questions regarding the dollar amount, please contact the Property Manager \"payment is must be received within the-alloted time frame,this account wil be turned over to a collection agency and will be reported on your credit\" Can they actually hit my credit with this? If they do, how do I fight this?","c_root_id_A":"iaa9s6s","c_root_id_B":"iaa9hh2","created_at_utc_A":1653718004,"created_at_utc_B":1653717771,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You do not need to pay the medical bills. You didn't sign anything and are not responsible.","human_ref_B":"Throw it on the trash . Don't worry about it . They can't come after u","labels":1,"seconds_difference":233.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"yuzlv4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"8-month pregnant girlfriend of 8 years left in the middle of the night back to her family's home in Germany, had our daughter and didn't put me on the birth certificate. I'm obviously devastated and it's been a year now, does anyone have any suggestions on where to go from here? I want to support and be a huge part of my daughter's life and am at a loss as to what steps to take next. Talking isn't working. Any advice would be beyond appreciated. Thanks a million! I'm seriously starting to think I am now clinically depressed and cannot find joy in anything\/anyone until this is resolved.","c_root_id_A":"iwc0xki","c_root_id_B":"iwco9lz","created_at_utc_A":1668438381,"created_at_utc_B":1668447872,"score_A":165,"score_B":633,"human_ref_A":"Sounds fishy... ​ Get a German lawyer for \"Familienrecht\" and let them contact her.","human_ref_B":"You need to speak with a family lawyer in Germany. I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that international custody cases are very complex and difficult, so you'll need to be prepared for a very difficult legal journey.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9491.0,"score_ratio":3.8363636364} {"post_id":"yuzlv4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"8-month pregnant girlfriend of 8 years left in the middle of the night back to her family's home in Germany, had our daughter and didn't put me on the birth certificate. I'm obviously devastated and it's been a year now, does anyone have any suggestions on where to go from here? I want to support and be a huge part of my daughter's life and am at a loss as to what steps to take next. Talking isn't working. Any advice would be beyond appreciated. Thanks a million! I'm seriously starting to think I am now clinically depressed and cannot find joy in anything\/anyone until this is resolved.","c_root_id_A":"iwcln1k","c_root_id_B":"iwco9lz","created_at_utc_A":1668446841,"created_at_utc_B":1668447872,"score_A":50,"score_B":633,"human_ref_A":"First order of business would be petitioning a German court for a DNA test so you know that you\u2019re actually eligible to receive any visitation rights. Once paternity is established you will have the burden of dealing with a German national who happens to be the mother of a child that is also a German citizen. This is not going to be easy, fair, or fast. You will likely have to spend a significant time in a foreign country to visit this child, at your expense. Any legal counsel worth their salt is never going to advise the mother to allow that child to leave the country, and will likely obtain a court order stating such. This is what me of those situations where there are no good answers, only the less terrible choices remain. Focus on paternity. Go from there. Stop supporting this woman financially, immediately! Money is a huge motivator, and as of currently you are providing support with nothing in return. So sorry you are going throughout this, wish you luck. Good day.","human_ref_B":"You need to speak with a family lawyer in Germany. I am not a lawyer, but my understanding is that international custody cases are very complex and difficult, so you'll need to be prepared for a very difficult legal journey.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1031.0,"score_ratio":12.66} {"post_id":"yuzlv4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"8-month pregnant girlfriend of 8 years left in the middle of the night back to her family's home in Germany, had our daughter and didn't put me on the birth certificate. I'm obviously devastated and it's been a year now, does anyone have any suggestions on where to go from here? I want to support and be a huge part of my daughter's life and am at a loss as to what steps to take next. Talking isn't working. Any advice would be beyond appreciated. Thanks a million! I'm seriously starting to think I am now clinically depressed and cannot find joy in anything\/anyone until this is resolved.","c_root_id_A":"iwcquwr","c_root_id_B":"iwc0xki","created_at_utc_A":1668448869,"created_at_utc_B":1668438381,"score_A":221,"score_B":165,"human_ref_A":"Relevant laws and paragraphs: \u00a7\u00a7 1591 \u2013 1600e B\u00fcrgerliches Gesetzbuch (BGB), Viertes Buch \u2013 Abstammung \u00a7\u00a7 372a Zivilprozessordnung (ZPO) \u2013 Untersuchungen zur Feststellung der Abstammung \u00a7\u00a7 640 \u2013 641i Zivilprozessordnung (ZPO) \u2013 Verfahren in Kindschaftssachen Standard procedure, but gets you on the hook for several financial obligations. And that alone will not get the child into your country on its own.","human_ref_B":"Sounds fishy... ​ Get a German lawyer for \"Familienrecht\" and let them contact her.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10488.0,"score_ratio":1.3393939394} {"post_id":"yuzlv4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"8-month pregnant girlfriend of 8 years left in the middle of the night back to her family's home in Germany, had our daughter and didn't put me on the birth certificate. I'm obviously devastated and it's been a year now, does anyone have any suggestions on where to go from here? I want to support and be a huge part of my daughter's life and am at a loss as to what steps to take next. Talking isn't working. Any advice would be beyond appreciated. Thanks a million! I'm seriously starting to think I am now clinically depressed and cannot find joy in anything\/anyone until this is resolved.","c_root_id_A":"iwcquwr","c_root_id_B":"iwcln1k","created_at_utc_A":1668448869,"created_at_utc_B":1668446841,"score_A":221,"score_B":50,"human_ref_A":"Relevant laws and paragraphs: \u00a7\u00a7 1591 \u2013 1600e B\u00fcrgerliches Gesetzbuch (BGB), Viertes Buch \u2013 Abstammung \u00a7\u00a7 372a Zivilprozessordnung (ZPO) \u2013 Untersuchungen zur Feststellung der Abstammung \u00a7\u00a7 640 \u2013 641i Zivilprozessordnung (ZPO) \u2013 Verfahren in Kindschaftssachen Standard procedure, but gets you on the hook for several financial obligations. And that alone will not get the child into your country on its own.","human_ref_B":"First order of business would be petitioning a German court for a DNA test so you know that you\u2019re actually eligible to receive any visitation rights. Once paternity is established you will have the burden of dealing with a German national who happens to be the mother of a child that is also a German citizen. This is not going to be easy, fair, or fast. You will likely have to spend a significant time in a foreign country to visit this child, at your expense. Any legal counsel worth their salt is never going to advise the mother to allow that child to leave the country, and will likely obtain a court order stating such. This is what me of those situations where there are no good answers, only the less terrible choices remain. Focus on paternity. Go from there. Stop supporting this woman financially, immediately! Money is a huge motivator, and as of currently you are providing support with nothing in return. So sorry you are going throughout this, wish you luck. Good day.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2028.0,"score_ratio":4.42} {"post_id":"n0ni04","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.64,"history":"Employer is changing a policy which my girlfriend can't meet the standard of. They're hinting at firing her for not complying. My girlfriend and I both work for a small business in Texas. Working Saturdays has always been apart of the routine, but certain people are exempt, like her, for having a daughter who she has to watch on Saturdays. They're now stating that working Saturdays is mandatory for all employees and they will no longer be hiring anyone who won't work Saturdays. They havent flat out said they're firing my girlfriend but they said that she needs to \"find a solution for her daughter so she can work on Saturdays.\" This doesn't seem entirely legal to me. She's been employed for 3 years and works Monday through Friday full time, but they're willing to dismiss all of that because she can't work Saturdays from 8am-12pm. Is there anything I can do to protect my girlfriends career?","c_root_id_A":"gw7pin3","c_root_id_B":"gw7opvz","created_at_utc_A":1619640949,"created_at_utc_B":1619640607,"score_A":155,"score_B":96,"human_ref_A":">Is there anything I can do to protect my girlfriends career? Babysit for her? Split the cost of a babysitter for her? Employment in Texas is at-will, meaning you can be fired for anything that's not protected by law. Not being able to meet a changing schedule because of a child isn't a federally protected. I doubt it is in state protected, either. And I don't mean to sound callous or short with those questions I asked earlier. It's just that it's only 4 hours a week on a weekend when teenagers are available to watch the kid. It could be a relatively inexpensive solution to the problem.","human_ref_B":"There's no legal problem with this. In Texas (and 49 US states) your job is at will and continues as long as both you and the employer desire it to continue. Unless your girlfriend needs Saturdays off for legitimate religious reasons, changing the needs of the job is allowable. As is ending the employment relationship if it no longer meets the employer's needs.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":342.0,"score_ratio":1.6145833333} {"post_id":"n0ni04","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.64,"history":"Employer is changing a policy which my girlfriend can't meet the standard of. They're hinting at firing her for not complying. My girlfriend and I both work for a small business in Texas. Working Saturdays has always been apart of the routine, but certain people are exempt, like her, for having a daughter who she has to watch on Saturdays. They're now stating that working Saturdays is mandatory for all employees and they will no longer be hiring anyone who won't work Saturdays. They havent flat out said they're firing my girlfriend but they said that she needs to \"find a solution for her daughter so she can work on Saturdays.\" This doesn't seem entirely legal to me. She's been employed for 3 years and works Monday through Friday full time, but they're willing to dismiss all of that because she can't work Saturdays from 8am-12pm. Is there anything I can do to protect my girlfriends career?","c_root_id_A":"gw7p6ct","c_root_id_B":"gw7pin3","created_at_utc_A":1619640804,"created_at_utc_B":1619640949,"score_A":43,"score_B":155,"human_ref_A":"It\u2019s completely legal. Employers can set their hours of operation. She would likely qualify for UI benefits if terminated for not complying with the schedule change.","human_ref_B":">Is there anything I can do to protect my girlfriends career? Babysit for her? Split the cost of a babysitter for her? Employment in Texas is at-will, meaning you can be fired for anything that's not protected by law. Not being able to meet a changing schedule because of a child isn't a federally protected. I doubt it is in state protected, either. And I don't mean to sound callous or short with those questions I asked earlier. It's just that it's only 4 hours a week on a weekend when teenagers are available to watch the kid. It could be a relatively inexpensive solution to the problem.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":145.0,"score_ratio":3.6046511628} {"post_id":"zgcugc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My husband keeps getting detained at the border because his \"doppleganger\" has an arrest warrant My husband (M33) is from the UK. I (F27) am American. I currently live in Idaho (working on marriage visa.) Before we knew each other back in 2011, he entered the US for the first time, through Florida. His biometrics were taken as normal. He was asked if he went to America before. He was then asked if he had a brother.... with the same exact name as him. They then detained him and called his American employer to verify his ID. He was given no more information and sent on his way. Back in November 2021, he came to visit my hometown for Thanksgiving. When he reached the immigration office, he was detained because there was a warrant out for his arrest. Well not exactly. According to the immigration officers, there is a man with the same first, middle, and last name, and exact birthdate as my husband. And he's wanted by the law in Virginia. (My husband has never been to Virginia.) This slowed my husband down an awful lot and he almost missed his flight. As they were letting him go, he asked if they could put a note on his file so this wouldn't happen every time he visited the US. They told him no. Fast forward to December 2022 and my husband is at JFK. The man checking him in looks very concerned and he's detained again. He overhears them talking, they said \"they don't look similar.\" Apparently this man has been on a spree now as he is wanted in multiple states. When they released my husband, they once again told him there was nothing they could go to prevent him being detained every time he enters the country. I want to pull on this string, because it's mostly just a pain to be detained and waste the time of the immigration officers (and my husband.) I tried looking up this man on a warrant search but I couldn't find a person matching the same birth date and middle name in or near Virginia. Is hiring a private investigator to hunt down and turn in my not-husband something I can do legally? Would it lead anywhere? I know this sub can be strict with rules, and this isn't a serious issue, just an annoyance, so if there's a better sub to go grab advice from, let me know.","c_root_id_A":"izh0weo","c_root_id_B":"izhp02o","created_at_utc_A":1670548636,"created_at_utc_B":1670560193,"score_A":26,"score_B":70,"human_ref_A":">Is hiring a private investigator to hunt down and turn in my not-husband something I can do legally? Would it lead anywhere? That's not going to help you, as the guy could just bond out and jump bail again. Or he could be convicted of the crimes and have no warrant and your husband could still be flagged for admissibility concerns and delays if CBP thinks he's the criminal.","human_ref_B":"You need a redress number. Its a thing you can hand security, and include when booking travel, that links you to who you really are and clarifies that you are not the person you are commonly mistaken for.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11557.0,"score_ratio":2.6923076923} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1dzebr","c_root_id_B":"e1dywbx","created_at_utc_A":1530118459,"created_at_utc_B":1530118067,"score_A":379,"score_B":159,"human_ref_A":"I am in construction and fabrication in CA. So I'm familiar with the process... I quickly searched the CA code for something that references this. I came up empty. https:\/\/up.codes\/viewer\/california\/ca-building-code-2016-v1\/chapter\/15\/roof-assemblies-and-rooftop-structures#15 However, you have the right to see if he pulled a permit for this. Your municipality may have rules regarding this scenario. I'd go to the city first and see if that address has permits open and closed for a new roof. I'd also call code enforcement when that roof is doing that and let them know of the problem.","human_ref_B":"I think that roof *is* done actually. It looks like it has thermacoat material on it....which probably makes sense in San Diego. Short of some really odd laws about eye-sores or an HOA, there's probably not much you can do. Your best bet may be to find where it blinds drivers on the roads.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":392.0,"score_ratio":2.3836477987} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1dzebr","c_root_id_B":"e1dysmo","created_at_utc_A":1530118459,"created_at_utc_B":1530117987,"score_A":379,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"I am in construction and fabrication in CA. So I'm familiar with the process... I quickly searched the CA code for something that references this. I came up empty. https:\/\/up.codes\/viewer\/california\/ca-building-code-2016-v1\/chapter\/15\/roof-assemblies-and-rooftop-structures#15 However, you have the right to see if he pulled a permit for this. Your municipality may have rules regarding this scenario. I'd go to the city first and see if that address has permits open and closed for a new roof. I'd also call code enforcement when that roof is doing that and let them know of the problem.","human_ref_B":"Absent some HOA regulation saying otherwise, your neighbor is allowed to have a metal roof and you can't do much about it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":472.0,"score_ratio":37.9} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1dyyap","c_root_id_B":"e1dzebr","created_at_utc_A":1530118110,"created_at_utc_B":1530118459,"score_A":8,"score_B":379,"human_ref_A":"Some towns do have view ordinances, but I didn't find any for San Diego from a brief search. Did he get a valid permit for construction? Even if there were such an ordinance, it may well be cheaper to pay him to fix it than to go to court, depending on how reasonable he is.","human_ref_B":"I am in construction and fabrication in CA. So I'm familiar with the process... I quickly searched the CA code for something that references this. I came up empty. https:\/\/up.codes\/viewer\/california\/ca-building-code-2016-v1\/chapter\/15\/roof-assemblies-and-rooftop-structures#15 However, you have the right to see if he pulled a permit for this. Your municipality may have rules regarding this scenario. I'd go to the city first and see if that address has permits open and closed for a new roof. I'd also call code enforcement when that roof is doing that and let them know of the problem.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":349.0,"score_ratio":47.375} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1dysmo","c_root_id_B":"e1dywbx","created_at_utc_A":1530117987,"created_at_utc_B":1530118067,"score_A":10,"score_B":159,"human_ref_A":"Absent some HOA regulation saying otherwise, your neighbor is allowed to have a metal roof and you can't do much about it.","human_ref_B":"I think that roof *is* done actually. It looks like it has thermacoat material on it....which probably makes sense in San Diego. Short of some really odd laws about eye-sores or an HOA, there's probably not much you can do. Your best bet may be to find where it blinds drivers on the roads.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":80.0,"score_ratio":15.9} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1dysmo","c_root_id_B":"e1e3k71","created_at_utc_A":1530117987,"created_at_utc_B":1530121791,"score_A":10,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"Absent some HOA regulation saying otherwise, your neighbor is allowed to have a metal roof and you can't do much about it.","human_ref_B":"People looking for metal roof ordinances might be barking up the wrong tree here. This may fall under code or case law about nuisance reflections or nuisance lighting. Not specific to California but there is a lot of precedents about metal structures causing sunlight reflection issues. In London, the reflections from a metal skyscraper were so bright they were melting cars and setting things on fire.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3804.0,"score_ratio":8.5} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1e3k71","c_root_id_B":"e1dyyap","created_at_utc_A":1530121791,"created_at_utc_B":1530118110,"score_A":85,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"People looking for metal roof ordinances might be barking up the wrong tree here. This may fall under code or case law about nuisance reflections or nuisance lighting. Not specific to California but there is a lot of precedents about metal structures causing sunlight reflection issues. In London, the reflections from a metal skyscraper were so bright they were melting cars and setting things on fire.","human_ref_B":"Some towns do have view ordinances, but I didn't find any for San Diego from a brief search. Did he get a valid permit for construction? Even if there were such an ordinance, it may well be cheaper to pay him to fix it than to go to court, depending on how reasonable he is.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3681.0,"score_ratio":10.625} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1ec9nt","c_root_id_B":"e1ebzo7","created_at_utc_A":1530128690,"created_at_utc_B":1530128472,"score_A":46,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Comment overwritten.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer but just a thought. Before you talk to the neighbor, it might be worth it to find a roofer that specializes in metal roofs. Offer to pay him for a short consult to come out to your property. Then you can pick his brain for some practical solutions and what they might cost to implement. That information might make the conversation with the neighbor go smoother.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":218.0,"score_ratio":1.5862068966} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1ec9nt","c_root_id_B":"e1dysmo","created_at_utc_A":1530128690,"created_at_utc_B":1530117987,"score_A":46,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Comment overwritten.","human_ref_B":"Absent some HOA regulation saying otherwise, your neighbor is allowed to have a metal roof and you can't do much about it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10703.0,"score_ratio":4.6} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1dyyap","c_root_id_B":"e1ec9nt","created_at_utc_A":1530118110,"created_at_utc_B":1530128690,"score_A":8,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"Some towns do have view ordinances, but I didn't find any for San Diego from a brief search. Did he get a valid permit for construction? Even if there were such an ordinance, it may well be cheaper to pay him to fix it than to go to court, depending on how reasonable he is.","human_ref_B":"Comment overwritten.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10580.0,"score_ratio":5.75} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1ebzo7","c_root_id_B":"e1dysmo","created_at_utc_A":1530128472,"created_at_utc_B":1530117987,"score_A":29,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but just a thought. Before you talk to the neighbor, it might be worth it to find a roofer that specializes in metal roofs. Offer to pay him for a short consult to come out to your property. Then you can pick his brain for some practical solutions and what they might cost to implement. That information might make the conversation with the neighbor go smoother.","human_ref_B":"Absent some HOA regulation saying otherwise, your neighbor is allowed to have a metal roof and you can't do much about it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10485.0,"score_ratio":2.9} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1ebzo7","c_root_id_B":"e1dyyap","created_at_utc_A":1530128472,"created_at_utc_B":1530118110,"score_A":29,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but just a thought. Before you talk to the neighbor, it might be worth it to find a roofer that specializes in metal roofs. Offer to pay him for a short consult to come out to your property. Then you can pick his brain for some practical solutions and what they might cost to implement. That information might make the conversation with the neighbor go smoother.","human_ref_B":"Some towns do have view ordinances, but I didn't find any for San Diego from a brief search. Did he get a valid permit for construction? Even if there were such an ordinance, it may well be cheaper to pay him to fix it than to go to court, depending on how reasonable he is.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10362.0,"score_ratio":3.625} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1evb85","c_root_id_B":"e1dysmo","created_at_utc_A":1530146086,"created_at_utc_B":1530117987,"score_A":12,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Everyone says nothing can be done, but if it's reflecting the sun that brightly it is almost certainly a hazard to drivers (assuming that at some angle at some time of day it reflects into the street). I would call the city and tell them that (and keep calling every week until you find someone helpful). Just because it isn't against the law doesn't mean you can't sue this guy for decreasing the property value and your enjoyment of your home.","human_ref_B":"Absent some HOA regulation saying otherwise, your neighbor is allowed to have a metal roof and you can't do much about it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":28099.0,"score_ratio":1.2} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1dyyap","c_root_id_B":"e1evb85","created_at_utc_A":1530118110,"created_at_utc_B":1530146086,"score_A":8,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Some towns do have view ordinances, but I didn't find any for San Diego from a brief search. Did he get a valid permit for construction? Even if there were such an ordinance, it may well be cheaper to pay him to fix it than to go to court, depending on how reasonable he is.","human_ref_B":"Everyone says nothing can be done, but if it's reflecting the sun that brightly it is almost certainly a hazard to drivers (assuming that at some angle at some time of day it reflects into the street). I would call the city and tell them that (and keep calling every week until you find someone helpful). Just because it isn't against the law doesn't mean you can't sue this guy for decreasing the property value and your enjoyment of your home.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27976.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"8ub2pf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Southern California] The \"difficult\" neighbor has installed a metal roof on his home. The sun shines off it and blinds anyone standing on my patio. Is there anything I need to know before asking him about it? There is one \"difficult\" neighbor in our neighborhood, the one who drives his car way too fast and cuts people off while giving them dirty looks. But I've never talked to him directly. In December he removed all of the old shingles from his house and had a metal roof installed. However, it wasn't like any other metal roof I've seen for a surburban home. The roof wasn't designed to look like shingles or any other roof material, it was just flat sheets of metal that they laid on the roof. At first I thought it was setup for solar panels to be installed. However, since the roof was finished, nothing else has been added. The way our houses are positioned, from about 7 AM to about 4 in the afternoon, the sun is reflected from a metal panel and blinds anyone standing on my patio. My patio has a really nice view of the city but now you can't look in that direction without squinting. I've included a picture for reference. Hopefully you can tell from how bright that individual panel is, how blinding that is in real life with no camera filter. http:\/\/imgur.com\/gallery\/u9LtWYP Is there anything about housing code in Southern California, specifically San Diego, that I could bring to him to make him fix his roof? Since it has sat unworked for so long, I'm afraid that the neighbor intended for the roof to be that way, and I would appreciate some kind of law I could stand behind to make him correct this situation. Thanks in advance for any help or corrections you can give me.","c_root_id_A":"e1f83ja","c_root_id_B":"e1dyyap","created_at_utc_A":1530160288,"created_at_utc_B":1530118110,"score_A":9,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I dare you to erect a huge mirror that aims back straight into his windows.","human_ref_B":"Some towns do have view ordinances, but I didn't find any for San Diego from a brief search. Did he get a valid permit for construction? Even if there were such an ordinance, it may well be cheaper to pay him to fix it than to go to court, depending on how reasonable he is.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":42178.0,"score_ratio":1.125} {"post_id":"w36r3r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Landlord let painters into apartment before lease was up and now a bunch of our things are missing. My girlfriend was in the process of moving out of her apartment and her lease was up on July 1st. We went there on June 30th to finish packing up her remaining stuff and a person was inside painting. They were told to leave because she was still on the lease and after they left we started noticing a bunch of stuff was missing. We called the leasing office and they said they\u2019d look at security cameras and get the stuff back and now through email they are trying to get out of it and are saying that nobody there took anything. We filed a police report, but wasn\u2019t sure if there was anything else that can be done because the police report wasn\u2019t very thorough and they don\u2019t seem like they\u2019re going to be any help.","c_root_id_A":"iguon4d","c_root_id_B":"igwle00","created_at_utc_A":1658276216,"created_at_utc_B":1658317693,"score_A":15,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"Do you have renters insurance? If so, that should be your next call.","human_ref_B":"Take a copy of the police report to the office and ask for the manager. Make sure to get their name and\/or record if your in a 1 party state. Be the squeaky wheel and if its a corprate run place e-mail them also. Put them on the hot seat and see how much turns up.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":41477.0,"score_ratio":2.1333333333} {"post_id":"bftno6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"[Ca] My landlord who's made me feel threatened previously has been showing our house several times a week. They entered my room while I was sleeping undressed after a night shift while they showed TODAY EASTER SUNDAY. What are my rights? They've been showing the house several times a week, but this was particularly upsetting because my door was closed while I had a roommate home that he could've asked. ​ ​ Context: I understand it's their home, and they can show it as much as they need. I'm familariISH with the laws and wouldn't come here if I wasn't, because I appreciate you guys and didn't want to ask a question I could easily google! Just a few things they've done that I question to touch the surface: * Pay rent and security deposit on a service dog * She once saw something that was \"Reason for immediate eviction\" in a room she \"Walked by and saw it naturally without entering\"... It was an extra bed, because the house was furnished and I wanted my own bed... * Give 24 hours notice of visits, but via email at 1am ​ We're college students, and this could've been avoided if we were more responsible last year by searching sooner(We learned our lesson). But it's clear these people furnished this house to lure new students in every year, require absurd security deposits and co-signers from parents, and then not offer the option to renew the lease to collect the next group's deposit.","c_root_id_A":"elgxriu","c_root_id_B":"elgxyp4","created_at_utc_A":1555901686,"created_at_utc_B":1555901849,"score_A":85,"score_B":226,"human_ref_A":"Do you ahve a single lease for the entire building, or separate leases for each of your rooms? If the former, your LL cannot enter without 24h notice. And if she's giving notice frequently for the sake of just seeing how you are living, that's not legal. If she's showing the place, 24 hours is required. If you have separate leases for the rooms, she can enter the common spaces whenever she wants, but needs 24 hours to go into your rooms. It is not acceptable for her to enter without knocking and giving you a chance to get dressed. As college students your university or town should have renter's advocate groups. Ask them what to do with these violations. Laatly, DO NOT LET HER KEEP YOUR DEPOSIT. That is bullshit. After you move out, take pics. She has only 21 days to get you your deposit back, or return what's left after she has provided receipts for damage\/cleaning. Damages need to be real damage... And not just regular wear and tear. If the carpet was new, and is a little scuffed, that's wear and tear. If you spilled wine on it, it's a big expense. But if the carpet was 10 years old, she does get to charge you 100% for new carpet. 19byear old carpet is almost at the end of its life. So she can only charge 10-20% at most. Did a 20 year old fridge die? That's on her. If she doesn't get you the money back and receipts in 21 days, she owes the entire thing back to you. Oh, she sends back 2\/3 + a bill for a broken window on day 30? Too bad. She owes you the whole thing and a judge might make her pay you. And it's small claims... So you don't need a lawyer. You go to the courthouse, file the lawsuit and pay the small fee, have the paperwork sent to her via certified mail, and then show up in court. Again, ask the renters rights people. LLs who steal deposits suck. Don't let her screw you.","human_ref_B":"So, a few things to consider: * If they give you notice at 1am on, let's say, April 13th, they cannot enter until 1am on April 14th. You'll be aware of their entry, but it MUST be 24 hours from there. Feel free to tell the landlord (in front of the potential tenant) \"why are you not respecting the law for 24 hours notice? Sending me an email at 1am this morning does not count\", as it will expose to the potential tenant to the shenanigans you're going through. * Try to get the landlord to acknowledge in an email that the bed was reason for eviction. This may pay off if your rights have been violated. * Security alarms are a great way to keep your apartment safe at night and when you sleep. Very easy to note that you did not expect them until 24 hours after the notice. * Keep track of everything as you move out. Take photos, videos, summaries of the apartment, etc. If you wish to truly timestamp the video, livestream it to YouTube so on the very last hour of your time in the apartment you have proof of a clean and in-tact apartment to get your deposit back. Play this smart and you will be happier with the outcome.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":163.0,"score_ratio":2.6588235294} {"post_id":"bftno6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"[Ca] My landlord who's made me feel threatened previously has been showing our house several times a week. They entered my room while I was sleeping undressed after a night shift while they showed TODAY EASTER SUNDAY. What are my rights? They've been showing the house several times a week, but this was particularly upsetting because my door was closed while I had a roommate home that he could've asked. ​ ​ Context: I understand it's their home, and they can show it as much as they need. I'm familariISH with the laws and wouldn't come here if I wasn't, because I appreciate you guys and didn't want to ask a question I could easily google! Just a few things they've done that I question to touch the surface: * Pay rent and security deposit on a service dog * She once saw something that was \"Reason for immediate eviction\" in a room she \"Walked by and saw it naturally without entering\"... It was an extra bed, because the house was furnished and I wanted my own bed... * Give 24 hours notice of visits, but via email at 1am ​ We're college students, and this could've been avoided if we were more responsible last year by searching sooner(We learned our lesson). But it's clear these people furnished this house to lure new students in every year, require absurd security deposits and co-signers from parents, and then not offer the option to renew the lease to collect the next group's deposit.","c_root_id_A":"elgyh0x","c_root_id_B":"elh3eel","created_at_utc_A":1555902246,"created_at_utc_B":1555906690,"score_A":4,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Document everything in writing.","human_ref_B":"A landlord may charge a deposit for a service dog under the fair housing act. They may not charge rent. That is legitimately discrimination. I don't specifically know California, but most states require that a landlord must provide 24-hour notice before entering a leased space. If you run to room then they must tell you that they will be Entering the room at least 24 hours beforehand. Depending on the terms of the lease they may not need to provide notice for common areas. But that's up to the lease. This sounds like this landlord is specifically praying on college students. Your university might have a housing advocate you may be able to utilize. I would talk to the dean of student's office. if they don't I would ask a couple lawyers for a free consultation about your situation. A lot of these things sound very suspicious and could be fraudulent. Again I don't know California, but most evictions take quite a long time. They have to be filed with the court and then a judgment ruled. I have never heard of anything as an immediate eviction. Elise cannot trump the law.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4444.0,"score_ratio":7.25} {"post_id":"bftno6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"[Ca] My landlord who's made me feel threatened previously has been showing our house several times a week. They entered my room while I was sleeping undressed after a night shift while they showed TODAY EASTER SUNDAY. What are my rights? They've been showing the house several times a week, but this was particularly upsetting because my door was closed while I had a roommate home that he could've asked. ​ ​ Context: I understand it's their home, and they can show it as much as they need. I'm familariISH with the laws and wouldn't come here if I wasn't, because I appreciate you guys and didn't want to ask a question I could easily google! Just a few things they've done that I question to touch the surface: * Pay rent and security deposit on a service dog * She once saw something that was \"Reason for immediate eviction\" in a room she \"Walked by and saw it naturally without entering\"... It was an extra bed, because the house was furnished and I wanted my own bed... * Give 24 hours notice of visits, but via email at 1am ​ We're college students, and this could've been avoided if we were more responsible last year by searching sooner(We learned our lesson). But it's clear these people furnished this house to lure new students in every year, require absurd security deposits and co-signers from parents, and then not offer the option to renew the lease to collect the next group's deposit.","c_root_id_A":"elh3eel","c_root_id_B":"elh20nh","created_at_utc_A":1555906690,"created_at_utc_B":1555905349,"score_A":29,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"A landlord may charge a deposit for a service dog under the fair housing act. They may not charge rent. That is legitimately discrimination. I don't specifically know California, but most states require that a landlord must provide 24-hour notice before entering a leased space. If you run to room then they must tell you that they will be Entering the room at least 24 hours beforehand. Depending on the terms of the lease they may not need to provide notice for common areas. But that's up to the lease. This sounds like this landlord is specifically praying on college students. Your university might have a housing advocate you may be able to utilize. I would talk to the dean of student's office. if they don't I would ask a couple lawyers for a free consultation about your situation. A lot of these things sound very suspicious and could be fraudulent. Again I don't know California, but most evictions take quite a long time. They have to be filed with the court and then a judgment ruled. I have never heard of anything as an immediate eviction. Elise cannot trump the law.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ve had similar issues to this with my current landlord. I know how you feel; it\u2019s incredibly disconcerting and invasive. While legally the landlord can\u2019t enter without 24 hr notice, there\u2019s not really any way to enforce this law. You could try to sue in court technically, but this is expensive and wouldn\u2019t solve the problem until after you\u2019ve moved out. You\u2019d also need a lot of records to show that she\u2019s actually been doing this. The police also cannot do anything, since the landlord owns the property (police can\u2019t kick someone off their own property even if it\u2019s leased). However, you can call the cops on anyone not on the lease who you have not permitted to be in the house (ie the potential new tenants). Still, there\u2019s not much that will come of this, and the cops may not react well to being called over for a civil issue. So basically, unless whoever tours the place is stealing your stuff or harassing you, you have to try to work this out between you and your landlord. It\u2019s super frustrating.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1341.0,"score_ratio":9.6666666667} {"post_id":"bftno6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"[Ca] My landlord who's made me feel threatened previously has been showing our house several times a week. They entered my room while I was sleeping undressed after a night shift while they showed TODAY EASTER SUNDAY. What are my rights? They've been showing the house several times a week, but this was particularly upsetting because my door was closed while I had a roommate home that he could've asked. ​ ​ Context: I understand it's their home, and they can show it as much as they need. I'm familariISH with the laws and wouldn't come here if I wasn't, because I appreciate you guys and didn't want to ask a question I could easily google! Just a few things they've done that I question to touch the surface: * Pay rent and security deposit on a service dog * She once saw something that was \"Reason for immediate eviction\" in a room she \"Walked by and saw it naturally without entering\"... It was an extra bed, because the house was furnished and I wanted my own bed... * Give 24 hours notice of visits, but via email at 1am ​ We're college students, and this could've been avoided if we were more responsible last year by searching sooner(We learned our lesson). But it's clear these people furnished this house to lure new students in every year, require absurd security deposits and co-signers from parents, and then not offer the option to renew the lease to collect the next group's deposit.","c_root_id_A":"elgyh0x","c_root_id_B":"elhddh5","created_at_utc_A":1555902246,"created_at_utc_B":1555920510,"score_A":4,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Document everything in writing.","human_ref_B":"Not an attorney, but I am a property manager with a California Real Estate Salesperson license. Your landlord is violating the lease they have with you and the law by not providing adequate notice to enter your dwelling. No matter that they own the building, you hold a leasehold interest in the property, and it is your home. Whether or not it is explicitly stated in your lease, state law mandates the covenant of quiet enjoyment - you are free to enjoy the space without substantial interference from the landlord. Repeated showings of the apartment without legal and adequate notice. Your first step here is to notify them, in writing, that you are requesting this behavior stop as it is not only a nuisance preventing your enjoyment of the space, it is illegal on its face as they are not giving you adequate notice (as others have noted, means 24 hours) and ONLY during business hours, M-F 8 am - 6 pm per California Civil Code 1954 If these actions are done in bad faith, which is not always easy to prove, in jurisdictions like San Francisco or Oakland, you are entitled to substantial money damages for mental and emotional injuries (such as your dwelling being entered without adequate notice while you are undressed) - substantial damages here meaning triple the normal penalty plus attorneys fees. But again, bad faith is not always easy to prove. It sounds like this landlord is playing fast and loose with the law hoping their tenants will roll over and accept the abuse. And if they are threatening you with eviction - ignore them. They cannot evict you without cause unless you are on a month to month lease rather than for a period of time. Immediate evictions are also illegal unless in very extreme circumstances (for example your meth lab explodes and destroys the kitchen). Any real eviction as a termination of your lease before expiration must provide you with accurate notice to cure the default (you have a dog and your lease doesn\u2019t allow it, or your lease prohibits use of a charcoal grill) before proceeding with an eviction. They can\u2019t just throw you out if they don\u2019t like you, as much as they\u2019d like you to believe. I hope this works out for you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18264.0,"score_ratio":3.75} {"post_id":"bftno6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"[Ca] My landlord who's made me feel threatened previously has been showing our house several times a week. They entered my room while I was sleeping undressed after a night shift while they showed TODAY EASTER SUNDAY. What are my rights? They've been showing the house several times a week, but this was particularly upsetting because my door was closed while I had a roommate home that he could've asked. ​ ​ Context: I understand it's their home, and they can show it as much as they need. I'm familariISH with the laws and wouldn't come here if I wasn't, because I appreciate you guys and didn't want to ask a question I could easily google! Just a few things they've done that I question to touch the surface: * Pay rent and security deposit on a service dog * She once saw something that was \"Reason for immediate eviction\" in a room she \"Walked by and saw it naturally without entering\"... It was an extra bed, because the house was furnished and I wanted my own bed... * Give 24 hours notice of visits, but via email at 1am ​ We're college students, and this could've been avoided if we were more responsible last year by searching sooner(We learned our lesson). But it's clear these people furnished this house to lure new students in every year, require absurd security deposits and co-signers from parents, and then not offer the option to renew the lease to collect the next group's deposit.","c_root_id_A":"elh20nh","c_root_id_B":"elhddh5","created_at_utc_A":1555905349,"created_at_utc_B":1555920510,"score_A":3,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve had similar issues to this with my current landlord. I know how you feel; it\u2019s incredibly disconcerting and invasive. While legally the landlord can\u2019t enter without 24 hr notice, there\u2019s not really any way to enforce this law. You could try to sue in court technically, but this is expensive and wouldn\u2019t solve the problem until after you\u2019ve moved out. You\u2019d also need a lot of records to show that she\u2019s actually been doing this. The police also cannot do anything, since the landlord owns the property (police can\u2019t kick someone off their own property even if it\u2019s leased). However, you can call the cops on anyone not on the lease who you have not permitted to be in the house (ie the potential new tenants). Still, there\u2019s not much that will come of this, and the cops may not react well to being called over for a civil issue. So basically, unless whoever tours the place is stealing your stuff or harassing you, you have to try to work this out between you and your landlord. It\u2019s super frustrating.","human_ref_B":"Not an attorney, but I am a property manager with a California Real Estate Salesperson license. Your landlord is violating the lease they have with you and the law by not providing adequate notice to enter your dwelling. No matter that they own the building, you hold a leasehold interest in the property, and it is your home. Whether or not it is explicitly stated in your lease, state law mandates the covenant of quiet enjoyment - you are free to enjoy the space without substantial interference from the landlord. Repeated showings of the apartment without legal and adequate notice. Your first step here is to notify them, in writing, that you are requesting this behavior stop as it is not only a nuisance preventing your enjoyment of the space, it is illegal on its face as they are not giving you adequate notice (as others have noted, means 24 hours) and ONLY during business hours, M-F 8 am - 6 pm per California Civil Code 1954 If these actions are done in bad faith, which is not always easy to prove, in jurisdictions like San Francisco or Oakland, you are entitled to substantial money damages for mental and emotional injuries (such as your dwelling being entered without adequate notice while you are undressed) - substantial damages here meaning triple the normal penalty plus attorneys fees. But again, bad faith is not always easy to prove. It sounds like this landlord is playing fast and loose with the law hoping their tenants will roll over and accept the abuse. And if they are threatening you with eviction - ignore them. They cannot evict you without cause unless you are on a month to month lease rather than for a period of time. Immediate evictions are also illegal unless in very extreme circumstances (for example your meth lab explodes and destroys the kitchen). Any real eviction as a termination of your lease before expiration must provide you with accurate notice to cure the default (you have a dog and your lease doesn\u2019t allow it, or your lease prohibits use of a charcoal grill) before proceeding with an eviction. They can\u2019t just throw you out if they don\u2019t like you, as much as they\u2019d like you to believe. I hope this works out for you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15161.0,"score_ratio":5.0} {"post_id":"yr80x3","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"My smart fridge had a software update and I cannot turn off popup ads. Is this illegal? I bought a FamilyHub fridge from Samsung about a year ago. There are these recipe and entertainment pop ups that began appearing after a software update. I contacted Samsung to see how I remove these, and they said the apps creating the popups cannot be removed. I would not have bought this fridge if there were going to be unwanted recipe and tv show ads. I am also beyond the date of the fridge\u2019s return policy. Is there a type of consumer class action I can create? (California)","c_root_id_A":"ivt3tws","c_root_id_B":"ivt4zfg","created_at_utc_A":1668083402,"created_at_utc_B":1668084077,"score_A":77,"score_B":571,"human_ref_A":"If you have bought it using a high end credit card with an extended return window benefit, you can try working through them. I think a few of them have ut.","human_ref_B":"It\u2019s legal per their ToS. Go into your router settings and block the domains ads.Samsung.com and samsungads.com. There are probably a few others that you can add to the list and ban from your internet.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":675.0,"score_ratio":7.4155844156} {"post_id":"yr80x3","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"My smart fridge had a software update and I cannot turn off popup ads. Is this illegal? I bought a FamilyHub fridge from Samsung about a year ago. There are these recipe and entertainment pop ups that began appearing after a software update. I contacted Samsung to see how I remove these, and they said the apps creating the popups cannot be removed. I would not have bought this fridge if there were going to be unwanted recipe and tv show ads. I am also beyond the date of the fridge\u2019s return policy. Is there a type of consumer class action I can create? (California)","c_root_id_A":"ivt3tws","c_root_id_B":"ivtr04y","created_at_utc_A":1668083402,"created_at_utc_B":1668094276,"score_A":77,"score_B":509,"human_ref_A":"If you have bought it using a high end credit card with an extended return window benefit, you can try working through them. I think a few of them have ut.","human_ref_B":"> I would not have bought this fridge if there were going to be unwanted recipe and tv show ads. This is what you should focus on, and you should not accept \"it's in the TOS\" as the answer. Would the people posting this still shrug and write \"too bad; it's in the TOS\" if the manufacturer remotely shut off the appliance? One action you can take short of a lawsuit is to complain to the California attorney general, or whatever consumer protection agency regulates appliances in California - here's their list.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10874.0,"score_ratio":6.6103896104} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2k3fv","c_root_id_B":"ij37l7x","created_at_utc_A":1659716312,"created_at_utc_B":1659725295,"score_A":498,"score_B":524,"human_ref_A":"You will need to hire a Texas-licensed ADA defense attorney.\r They appear to be exploiting a circuit split regarding the ADA. The ADA requires public accommodations to be accessible to people with disabilities, but it hasn't been updated to include the internet. The 9th Circuit is one of the circuits that has ruled that the existing ADA covers websites, while others have ruled otherwise. And, because the ADA has not been updated, there are no reliable standards to which one can refer. Because the WCAG is a standard developed by stakeholders and engineers rather than a legal standard, it is simple to hire a paid expert and tell the court that the WCAG is insufficient.","human_ref_B":"While it goes without saying that you must follow the law, the definition of accessible is broad, and there are numerous tools available for disabled people to interact with a website. I'm just curious about the widgets you installed, which ones did you have running? Userway is a fantastic tool for this. The fact is that accessibility is critical, BUT with that being said, I believe that some lawyers are taking advantage of the situation, and not because they have the best interests of blind or deaf users in mind. \r \r So you\u2019d want to have an expert check and see if your site really does pose some obstacles for disabled users. Or, if perhaps they are basically ambulance chasers trying to make a quick buck off of your site.\r \r However, you definitely require a lawyer for this lawsuit now and a consultant to make your site ADA-compliant if it's not already. Your website must be accessible. Period. You don\u2019t need these problems","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8983.0,"score_ratio":1.0522088353} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij37l7x","c_root_id_B":"ij2qkc1","created_at_utc_A":1659725295,"created_at_utc_B":1659718775,"score_A":524,"score_B":99,"human_ref_A":"While it goes without saying that you must follow the law, the definition of accessible is broad, and there are numerous tools available for disabled people to interact with a website. I'm just curious about the widgets you installed, which ones did you have running? Userway is a fantastic tool for this. The fact is that accessibility is critical, BUT with that being said, I believe that some lawyers are taking advantage of the situation, and not because they have the best interests of blind or deaf users in mind. \r \r So you\u2019d want to have an expert check and see if your site really does pose some obstacles for disabled users. Or, if perhaps they are basically ambulance chasers trying to make a quick buck off of your site.\r \r However, you definitely require a lawyer for this lawsuit now and a consultant to make your site ADA-compliant if it's not already. Your website must be accessible. Period. You don\u2019t need these problems","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer - I work for a tech company that frequently deals with OCR complaints and ADA compliance issues. These ppl are online ambulance chasers. Do not pay them anything directly. Either contact a lawyer in TX to learn your specific accessibility requirements or research yourself a bit before proceeding. Things *may* be different in your circumstance, but I have never heard of an accessibility violation that did *not allow time or an opportunity to FIX the violation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6520.0,"score_ratio":5.2929292929} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2q4r9","c_root_id_B":"ij37l7x","created_at_utc_A":1659718610,"created_at_utc_B":1659725295,"score_A":101,"score_B":524,"human_ref_A":">I added widgets to make it compliant. Not a lawyer but a web developer. The widgets won't make it compliant. It may help but you want to make sure that you check each page individually for accessibility. You can do that by installing the Website WAVE extension on your browser https:\/\/wave.webaim.org\/ You'll want to adhere to WCAG level AA complaince. There are things like color contrast and alt text attributes that will have to be checked manually.","human_ref_B":"While it goes without saying that you must follow the law, the definition of accessible is broad, and there are numerous tools available for disabled people to interact with a website. I'm just curious about the widgets you installed, which ones did you have running? Userway is a fantastic tool for this. The fact is that accessibility is critical, BUT with that being said, I believe that some lawyers are taking advantage of the situation, and not because they have the best interests of blind or deaf users in mind. \r \r So you\u2019d want to have an expert check and see if your site really does pose some obstacles for disabled users. Or, if perhaps they are basically ambulance chasers trying to make a quick buck off of your site.\r \r However, you definitely require a lawyer for this lawsuit now and a consultant to make your site ADA-compliant if it's not already. Your website must be accessible. Period. You don\u2019t need these problems","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6685.0,"score_ratio":5.1881188119} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij37l7x","c_root_id_B":"ij2wefe","created_at_utc_A":1659725295,"created_at_utc_B":1659721000,"score_A":524,"score_B":83,"human_ref_A":"While it goes without saying that you must follow the law, the definition of accessible is broad, and there are numerous tools available for disabled people to interact with a website. I'm just curious about the widgets you installed, which ones did you have running? Userway is a fantastic tool for this. The fact is that accessibility is critical, BUT with that being said, I believe that some lawyers are taking advantage of the situation, and not because they have the best interests of blind or deaf users in mind. \r \r So you\u2019d want to have an expert check and see if your site really does pose some obstacles for disabled users. Or, if perhaps they are basically ambulance chasers trying to make a quick buck off of your site.\r \r However, you definitely require a lawyer for this lawsuit now and a consultant to make your site ADA-compliant if it's not already. Your website must be accessible. Period. You don\u2019t need these problems","human_ref_B":"The ada website has plenty of resources on how to ensure your site is complaint. https:\/\/www.ada.gov\/pcatoolkit\/chap5toolkit.htm ​ Never take legal advice from opposing counsel.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4295.0,"score_ratio":6.313253012} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij37l7x","c_root_id_B":"ij2kue7","created_at_utc_A":1659725295,"created_at_utc_B":1659716596,"score_A":524,"score_B":73,"human_ref_A":"While it goes without saying that you must follow the law, the definition of accessible is broad, and there are numerous tools available for disabled people to interact with a website. I'm just curious about the widgets you installed, which ones did you have running? Userway is a fantastic tool for this. The fact is that accessibility is critical, BUT with that being said, I believe that some lawyers are taking advantage of the situation, and not because they have the best interests of blind or deaf users in mind. \r \r So you\u2019d want to have an expert check and see if your site really does pose some obstacles for disabled users. Or, if perhaps they are basically ambulance chasers trying to make a quick buck off of your site.\r \r However, you definitely require a lawyer for this lawsuit now and a consultant to make your site ADA-compliant if it's not already. Your website must be accessible. Period. You don\u2019t need these problems","human_ref_B":"(1) You're in Texas (2) Where is the law firm located? (3) Do you have a brick-and-mortar operation? Or are you all virtual? California has a cottage industry in lawyers suing companies for ADA violations. In general, the right answer is to ignore them and find your own attorney to help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8699.0,"score_ratio":7.1780821918} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij37l7x","c_root_id_B":"ij2l5v0","created_at_utc_A":1659725295,"created_at_utc_B":1659716717,"score_A":524,"score_B":69,"human_ref_A":"While it goes without saying that you must follow the law, the definition of accessible is broad, and there are numerous tools available for disabled people to interact with a website. I'm just curious about the widgets you installed, which ones did you have running? Userway is a fantastic tool for this. The fact is that accessibility is critical, BUT with that being said, I believe that some lawyers are taking advantage of the situation, and not because they have the best interests of blind or deaf users in mind. \r \r So you\u2019d want to have an expert check and see if your site really does pose some obstacles for disabled users. Or, if perhaps they are basically ambulance chasers trying to make a quick buck off of your site.\r \r However, you definitely require a lawyer for this lawsuit now and a consultant to make your site ADA-compliant if it's not already. Your website must be accessible. Period. You don\u2019t need these problems","human_ref_B":"Law firms pay people to find these sites so they can sue. This is an easy revenue generator for them. Do not offer them anything and do not speak with them. Find an attorney experienced with ADA compliance and let them handle.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8578.0,"score_ratio":7.5942028986} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij37l7x","c_root_id_B":"ij2sinz","created_at_utc_A":1659725295,"created_at_utc_B":1659719527,"score_A":524,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"While it goes without saying that you must follow the law, the definition of accessible is broad, and there are numerous tools available for disabled people to interact with a website. I'm just curious about the widgets you installed, which ones did you have running? Userway is a fantastic tool for this. The fact is that accessibility is critical, BUT with that being said, I believe that some lawyers are taking advantage of the situation, and not because they have the best interests of blind or deaf users in mind. \r \r So you\u2019d want to have an expert check and see if your site really does pose some obstacles for disabled users. Or, if perhaps they are basically ambulance chasers trying to make a quick buck off of your site.\r \r However, you definitely require a lawyer for this lawsuit now and a consultant to make your site ADA-compliant if it's not already. Your website must be accessible. Period. You don\u2019t need these problems","human_ref_B":"Web developer here.\r \r It will be great if you consult with a lawyer, but could you please speak with your engineering team about steps to make your site more accessible? Or use an accessibility Widget to perform an audit to ensure compliance with the ADA and WCAG? Userway does an excellent job in this regard. \r \r This isn't some crazy insurmountable effort; the things you need to add to make the site usable with things like screen readers and other assistive devices are pretty straightforward, and a lot of it comes down to just being in the habit of thinking about how a change might affect someone with poor eyesight, color blindness, or limited mobility.\r \r This is most likely a frivolous lawsuit, but many businesses simply do not bother with it, rendering much of the web inaccessible to people who use assistive devices. I hope you prioritize this work even if the lawsuit is dismissed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5768.0,"score_ratio":11.3913043478} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij37l7x","c_root_id_B":"ij2tmnm","created_at_utc_A":1659725295,"created_at_utc_B":1659719951,"score_A":524,"score_B":48,"human_ref_A":"While it goes without saying that you must follow the law, the definition of accessible is broad, and there are numerous tools available for disabled people to interact with a website. I'm just curious about the widgets you installed, which ones did you have running? Userway is a fantastic tool for this. The fact is that accessibility is critical, BUT with that being said, I believe that some lawyers are taking advantage of the situation, and not because they have the best interests of blind or deaf users in mind. \r \r So you\u2019d want to have an expert check and see if your site really does pose some obstacles for disabled users. Or, if perhaps they are basically ambulance chasers trying to make a quick buck off of your site.\r \r However, you definitely require a lawyer for this lawsuit now and a consultant to make your site ADA-compliant if it's not already. Your website must be accessible. Period. You don\u2019t need these problems","human_ref_B":"I am an attorney, I am not your attorney. Immediately cease communications with this firm and contact an attorney that deals with ADA compliance to assist you. Make no further offers, and send an email revoking your previous offer effective immediately. Make no further contact after this point until you are advised by an attorney regarding how to handle further and give you actual legal advice based on the specifics of your situation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5344.0,"score_ratio":10.9166666667} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2qkc1","c_root_id_B":"ij3fr61","created_at_utc_A":1659718775,"created_at_utc_B":1659728450,"score_A":99,"score_B":234,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer - I work for a tech company that frequently deals with OCR complaints and ADA compliance issues. These ppl are online ambulance chasers. Do not pay them anything directly. Either contact a lawyer in TX to learn your specific accessibility requirements or research yourself a bit before proceeding. Things *may* be different in your circumstance, but I have never heard of an accessibility violation that did *not allow time or an opportunity to FIX the violation.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a Texas lawyer and I have worked on several cases dealing with this exact thing. Nothing I\u2019m gonna say is legal advice, I\u2019m not your lawyer and I\u2019m not representing you. This is a growing issue in litigation. Depending who you ask, \u201ctrolls\u201d or \u201clitigants\u201d with varying levels of interest in a business will go to that business\u2019s website and then sue for lack of ADA compliance. It\u2019s a bit of an open question but in general, the 5th Circuit (which oversees Texas fed courts) holds that if the plaintiff does not actually intend to patronize the business, the suit can be dismissed. The plaintiff I remember was a woman from Florida who sued a Texas small town hotel and her case was dismissed bc she had no intention to go to that small town so was just targeting them. Either way, please for the love of God do not talk to these people ever again, do not pay them any money, and do not believe what they say about proper damages. Do nothing until you\u2019re served with court papers by a process server, at which point pay a lawyer to negotiate a settlement or go to trial.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9675.0,"score_ratio":2.3636363636} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij3fr61","c_root_id_B":"ij2q4r9","created_at_utc_A":1659728450,"created_at_utc_B":1659718610,"score_A":234,"score_B":101,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a Texas lawyer and I have worked on several cases dealing with this exact thing. Nothing I\u2019m gonna say is legal advice, I\u2019m not your lawyer and I\u2019m not representing you. This is a growing issue in litigation. Depending who you ask, \u201ctrolls\u201d or \u201clitigants\u201d with varying levels of interest in a business will go to that business\u2019s website and then sue for lack of ADA compliance. It\u2019s a bit of an open question but in general, the 5th Circuit (which oversees Texas fed courts) holds that if the plaintiff does not actually intend to patronize the business, the suit can be dismissed. The plaintiff I remember was a woman from Florida who sued a Texas small town hotel and her case was dismissed bc she had no intention to go to that small town so was just targeting them. Either way, please for the love of God do not talk to these people ever again, do not pay them any money, and do not believe what they say about proper damages. Do nothing until you\u2019re served with court papers by a process server, at which point pay a lawyer to negotiate a settlement or go to trial.","human_ref_B":">I added widgets to make it compliant. Not a lawyer but a web developer. The widgets won't make it compliant. It may help but you want to make sure that you check each page individually for accessibility. You can do that by installing the Website WAVE extension on your browser https:\/\/wave.webaim.org\/ You'll want to adhere to WCAG level AA complaince. There are things like color contrast and alt text attributes that will have to be checked manually.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9840.0,"score_ratio":2.3168316832} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2wefe","c_root_id_B":"ij3fr61","created_at_utc_A":1659721000,"created_at_utc_B":1659728450,"score_A":83,"score_B":234,"human_ref_A":"The ada website has plenty of resources on how to ensure your site is complaint. https:\/\/www.ada.gov\/pcatoolkit\/chap5toolkit.htm ​ Never take legal advice from opposing counsel.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a Texas lawyer and I have worked on several cases dealing with this exact thing. Nothing I\u2019m gonna say is legal advice, I\u2019m not your lawyer and I\u2019m not representing you. This is a growing issue in litigation. Depending who you ask, \u201ctrolls\u201d or \u201clitigants\u201d with varying levels of interest in a business will go to that business\u2019s website and then sue for lack of ADA compliance. It\u2019s a bit of an open question but in general, the 5th Circuit (which oversees Texas fed courts) holds that if the plaintiff does not actually intend to patronize the business, the suit can be dismissed. The plaintiff I remember was a woman from Florida who sued a Texas small town hotel and her case was dismissed bc she had no intention to go to that small town so was just targeting them. Either way, please for the love of God do not talk to these people ever again, do not pay them any money, and do not believe what they say about proper damages. Do nothing until you\u2019re served with court papers by a process server, at which point pay a lawyer to negotiate a settlement or go to trial.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7450.0,"score_ratio":2.8192771084} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2kue7","c_root_id_B":"ij3fr61","created_at_utc_A":1659716596,"created_at_utc_B":1659728450,"score_A":73,"score_B":234,"human_ref_A":"(1) You're in Texas (2) Where is the law firm located? (3) Do you have a brick-and-mortar operation? Or are you all virtual? California has a cottage industry in lawyers suing companies for ADA violations. In general, the right answer is to ignore them and find your own attorney to help.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a Texas lawyer and I have worked on several cases dealing with this exact thing. Nothing I\u2019m gonna say is legal advice, I\u2019m not your lawyer and I\u2019m not representing you. This is a growing issue in litigation. Depending who you ask, \u201ctrolls\u201d or \u201clitigants\u201d with varying levels of interest in a business will go to that business\u2019s website and then sue for lack of ADA compliance. It\u2019s a bit of an open question but in general, the 5th Circuit (which oversees Texas fed courts) holds that if the plaintiff does not actually intend to patronize the business, the suit can be dismissed. The plaintiff I remember was a woman from Florida who sued a Texas small town hotel and her case was dismissed bc she had no intention to go to that small town so was just targeting them. Either way, please for the love of God do not talk to these people ever again, do not pay them any money, and do not believe what they say about proper damages. Do nothing until you\u2019re served with court papers by a process server, at which point pay a lawyer to negotiate a settlement or go to trial.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11854.0,"score_ratio":3.2054794521} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij3fr61","c_root_id_B":"ij2l5v0","created_at_utc_A":1659728450,"created_at_utc_B":1659716717,"score_A":234,"score_B":69,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a Texas lawyer and I have worked on several cases dealing with this exact thing. Nothing I\u2019m gonna say is legal advice, I\u2019m not your lawyer and I\u2019m not representing you. This is a growing issue in litigation. Depending who you ask, \u201ctrolls\u201d or \u201clitigants\u201d with varying levels of interest in a business will go to that business\u2019s website and then sue for lack of ADA compliance. It\u2019s a bit of an open question but in general, the 5th Circuit (which oversees Texas fed courts) holds that if the plaintiff does not actually intend to patronize the business, the suit can be dismissed. The plaintiff I remember was a woman from Florida who sued a Texas small town hotel and her case was dismissed bc she had no intention to go to that small town so was just targeting them. Either way, please for the love of God do not talk to these people ever again, do not pay them any money, and do not believe what they say about proper damages. Do nothing until you\u2019re served with court papers by a process server, at which point pay a lawyer to negotiate a settlement or go to trial.","human_ref_B":"Law firms pay people to find these sites so they can sue. This is an easy revenue generator for them. Do not offer them anything and do not speak with them. Find an attorney experienced with ADA compliance and let them handle.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11733.0,"score_ratio":3.3913043478} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2sinz","c_root_id_B":"ij3fr61","created_at_utc_A":1659719527,"created_at_utc_B":1659728450,"score_A":46,"score_B":234,"human_ref_A":"Web developer here.\r \r It will be great if you consult with a lawyer, but could you please speak with your engineering team about steps to make your site more accessible? Or use an accessibility Widget to perform an audit to ensure compliance with the ADA and WCAG? Userway does an excellent job in this regard. \r \r This isn't some crazy insurmountable effort; the things you need to add to make the site usable with things like screen readers and other assistive devices are pretty straightforward, and a lot of it comes down to just being in the habit of thinking about how a change might affect someone with poor eyesight, color blindness, or limited mobility.\r \r This is most likely a frivolous lawsuit, but many businesses simply do not bother with it, rendering much of the web inaccessible to people who use assistive devices. I hope you prioritize this work even if the lawsuit is dismissed.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a Texas lawyer and I have worked on several cases dealing with this exact thing. Nothing I\u2019m gonna say is legal advice, I\u2019m not your lawyer and I\u2019m not representing you. This is a growing issue in litigation. Depending who you ask, \u201ctrolls\u201d or \u201clitigants\u201d with varying levels of interest in a business will go to that business\u2019s website and then sue for lack of ADA compliance. It\u2019s a bit of an open question but in general, the 5th Circuit (which oversees Texas fed courts) holds that if the plaintiff does not actually intend to patronize the business, the suit can be dismissed. The plaintiff I remember was a woman from Florida who sued a Texas small town hotel and her case was dismissed bc she had no intention to go to that small town so was just targeting them. Either way, please for the love of God do not talk to these people ever again, do not pay them any money, and do not believe what they say about proper damages. Do nothing until you\u2019re served with court papers by a process server, at which point pay a lawyer to negotiate a settlement or go to trial.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8923.0,"score_ratio":5.0869565217} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2tmnm","c_root_id_B":"ij3fr61","created_at_utc_A":1659719951,"created_at_utc_B":1659728450,"score_A":48,"score_B":234,"human_ref_A":"I am an attorney, I am not your attorney. Immediately cease communications with this firm and contact an attorney that deals with ADA compliance to assist you. Make no further offers, and send an email revoking your previous offer effective immediately. Make no further contact after this point until you are advised by an attorney regarding how to handle further and give you actual legal advice based on the specifics of your situation.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a Texas lawyer and I have worked on several cases dealing with this exact thing. Nothing I\u2019m gonna say is legal advice, I\u2019m not your lawyer and I\u2019m not representing you. This is a growing issue in litigation. Depending who you ask, \u201ctrolls\u201d or \u201clitigants\u201d with varying levels of interest in a business will go to that business\u2019s website and then sue for lack of ADA compliance. It\u2019s a bit of an open question but in general, the 5th Circuit (which oversees Texas fed courts) holds that if the plaintiff does not actually intend to patronize the business, the suit can be dismissed. The plaintiff I remember was a woman from Florida who sued a Texas small town hotel and her case was dismissed bc she had no intention to go to that small town so was just targeting them. Either way, please for the love of God do not talk to these people ever again, do not pay them any money, and do not believe what they say about proper damages. Do nothing until you\u2019re served with court papers by a process server, at which point pay a lawyer to negotiate a settlement or go to trial.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8499.0,"score_ratio":4.875} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij3fr61","c_root_id_B":"ij3fim2","created_at_utc_A":1659728450,"created_at_utc_B":1659728360,"score_A":234,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a Texas lawyer and I have worked on several cases dealing with this exact thing. Nothing I\u2019m gonna say is legal advice, I\u2019m not your lawyer and I\u2019m not representing you. This is a growing issue in litigation. Depending who you ask, \u201ctrolls\u201d or \u201clitigants\u201d with varying levels of interest in a business will go to that business\u2019s website and then sue for lack of ADA compliance. It\u2019s a bit of an open question but in general, the 5th Circuit (which oversees Texas fed courts) holds that if the plaintiff does not actually intend to patronize the business, the suit can be dismissed. The plaintiff I remember was a woman from Florida who sued a Texas small town hotel and her case was dismissed bc she had no intention to go to that small town so was just targeting them. Either way, please for the love of God do not talk to these people ever again, do not pay them any money, and do not believe what they say about proper damages. Do nothing until you\u2019re served with court papers by a process server, at which point pay a lawyer to negotiate a settlement or go to trial.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ve seen companies do this before and known of friends who were hired to scan through websites and find any that may fit the bill of non-Ada compliant and send out a complaint. These are litigation factories, they also tend to reuse the same defendants (typically defendants who are visually impaired or sound impaired). Normally most companies even if in the right would rather not go to court and pay legal fees that add up so they end up settling and boom the firms make money and kick back some for them and some for the reused defendant.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":90.0,"score_ratio":16.7142857143} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2kue7","c_root_id_B":"ij2qkc1","created_at_utc_A":1659716596,"created_at_utc_B":1659718775,"score_A":73,"score_B":99,"human_ref_A":"(1) You're in Texas (2) Where is the law firm located? (3) Do you have a brick-and-mortar operation? Or are you all virtual? California has a cottage industry in lawyers suing companies for ADA violations. In general, the right answer is to ignore them and find your own attorney to help.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer - I work for a tech company that frequently deals with OCR complaints and ADA compliance issues. These ppl are online ambulance chasers. Do not pay them anything directly. Either contact a lawyer in TX to learn your specific accessibility requirements or research yourself a bit before proceeding. Things *may* be different in your circumstance, but I have never heard of an accessibility violation that did *not allow time or an opportunity to FIX the violation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2179.0,"score_ratio":1.3561643836} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2qkc1","c_root_id_B":"ij2l5v0","created_at_utc_A":1659718775,"created_at_utc_B":1659716717,"score_A":99,"score_B":69,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer - I work for a tech company that frequently deals with OCR complaints and ADA compliance issues. These ppl are online ambulance chasers. Do not pay them anything directly. Either contact a lawyer in TX to learn your specific accessibility requirements or research yourself a bit before proceeding. Things *may* be different in your circumstance, but I have never heard of an accessibility violation that did *not allow time or an opportunity to FIX the violation.","human_ref_B":"Law firms pay people to find these sites so they can sue. This is an easy revenue generator for them. Do not offer them anything and do not speak with them. Find an attorney experienced with ADA compliance and let them handle.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2058.0,"score_ratio":1.4347826087} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2kue7","c_root_id_B":"ij2q4r9","created_at_utc_A":1659716596,"created_at_utc_B":1659718610,"score_A":73,"score_B":101,"human_ref_A":"(1) You're in Texas (2) Where is the law firm located? (3) Do you have a brick-and-mortar operation? Or are you all virtual? California has a cottage industry in lawyers suing companies for ADA violations. In general, the right answer is to ignore them and find your own attorney to help.","human_ref_B":">I added widgets to make it compliant. Not a lawyer but a web developer. The widgets won't make it compliant. It may help but you want to make sure that you check each page individually for accessibility. You can do that by installing the Website WAVE extension on your browser https:\/\/wave.webaim.org\/ You'll want to adhere to WCAG level AA complaince. There are things like color contrast and alt text attributes that will have to be checked manually.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2014.0,"score_ratio":1.3835616438} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2l5v0","c_root_id_B":"ij2q4r9","created_at_utc_A":1659716717,"created_at_utc_B":1659718610,"score_A":69,"score_B":101,"human_ref_A":"Law firms pay people to find these sites so they can sue. This is an easy revenue generator for them. Do not offer them anything and do not speak with them. Find an attorney experienced with ADA compliance and let them handle.","human_ref_B":">I added widgets to make it compliant. Not a lawyer but a web developer. The widgets won't make it compliant. It may help but you want to make sure that you check each page individually for accessibility. You can do that by installing the Website WAVE extension on your browser https:\/\/wave.webaim.org\/ You'll want to adhere to WCAG level AA complaince. There are things like color contrast and alt text attributes that will have to be checked manually.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1893.0,"score_ratio":1.4637681159} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2kue7","c_root_id_B":"ij2wefe","created_at_utc_A":1659716596,"created_at_utc_B":1659721000,"score_A":73,"score_B":83,"human_ref_A":"(1) You're in Texas (2) Where is the law firm located? (3) Do you have a brick-and-mortar operation? Or are you all virtual? California has a cottage industry in lawyers suing companies for ADA violations. In general, the right answer is to ignore them and find your own attorney to help.","human_ref_B":"The ada website has plenty of resources on how to ensure your site is complaint. https:\/\/www.ada.gov\/pcatoolkit\/chap5toolkit.htm ​ Never take legal advice from opposing counsel.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4404.0,"score_ratio":1.1369863014} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2wefe","c_root_id_B":"ij2l5v0","created_at_utc_A":1659721000,"created_at_utc_B":1659716717,"score_A":83,"score_B":69,"human_ref_A":"The ada website has plenty of resources on how to ensure your site is complaint. https:\/\/www.ada.gov\/pcatoolkit\/chap5toolkit.htm ​ Never take legal advice from opposing counsel.","human_ref_B":"Law firms pay people to find these sites so they can sue. This is an easy revenue generator for them. Do not offer them anything and do not speak with them. Find an attorney experienced with ADA compliance and let them handle.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4283.0,"score_ratio":1.2028985507} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2wefe","c_root_id_B":"ij2sinz","created_at_utc_A":1659721000,"created_at_utc_B":1659719527,"score_A":83,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"The ada website has plenty of resources on how to ensure your site is complaint. https:\/\/www.ada.gov\/pcatoolkit\/chap5toolkit.htm ​ Never take legal advice from opposing counsel.","human_ref_B":"Web developer here.\r \r It will be great if you consult with a lawyer, but could you please speak with your engineering team about steps to make your site more accessible? Or use an accessibility Widget to perform an audit to ensure compliance with the ADA and WCAG? Userway does an excellent job in this regard. \r \r This isn't some crazy insurmountable effort; the things you need to add to make the site usable with things like screen readers and other assistive devices are pretty straightforward, and a lot of it comes down to just being in the habit of thinking about how a change might affect someone with poor eyesight, color blindness, or limited mobility.\r \r This is most likely a frivolous lawsuit, but many businesses simply do not bother with it, rendering much of the web inaccessible to people who use assistive devices. I hope you prioritize this work even if the lawsuit is dismissed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1473.0,"score_ratio":1.8043478261} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2wefe","c_root_id_B":"ij2tmnm","created_at_utc_A":1659721000,"created_at_utc_B":1659719951,"score_A":83,"score_B":48,"human_ref_A":"The ada website has plenty of resources on how to ensure your site is complaint. https:\/\/www.ada.gov\/pcatoolkit\/chap5toolkit.htm ​ Never take legal advice from opposing counsel.","human_ref_B":"I am an attorney, I am not your attorney. Immediately cease communications with this firm and contact an attorney that deals with ADA compliance to assist you. Make no further offers, and send an email revoking your previous offer effective immediately. Make no further contact after this point until you are advised by an attorney regarding how to handle further and give you actual legal advice based on the specifics of your situation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1049.0,"score_ratio":1.7291666667} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij3hx2z","c_root_id_B":"ij2sinz","created_at_utc_A":1659729282,"created_at_utc_B":1659719527,"score_A":48,"score_B":46,"human_ref_A":"No website can ever be 100% ADA-compliant. ADA website compliance isn't pass-fail. A website can be more or less compliant based on how close you get to the WCAG guidelines. The problem is that unless a website is *specifically* designed for ADA accessibility in mind, it's usually not. Unfortunately, courts have ruled repeatedly that if your website is for conducting business online, then it must meet ADA guidelines under Title III of the ADA. However the requirement is that the business falls under one of the 12 business type categories AND deals in interstate commerce. **ADA Standards for Accessible Design are NOT the same as 508 compliance.** Unfortunately, website accessibility lawsuits are 99% money grabs, but civil suit burden of proof is low, and the courts don't really have rule of law to fall back on for judgement because the law is being made up along the way, and the DOJ hasnt issued any binding decisions on it in 12 years. The easiest thing to do is run a WCAG 2.1 AA audit and remediate the website as much as possible.","human_ref_B":"Web developer here.\r \r It will be great if you consult with a lawyer, but could you please speak with your engineering team about steps to make your site more accessible? Or use an accessibility Widget to perform an audit to ensure compliance with the ADA and WCAG? Userway does an excellent job in this regard. \r \r This isn't some crazy insurmountable effort; the things you need to add to make the site usable with things like screen readers and other assistive devices are pretty straightforward, and a lot of it comes down to just being in the habit of thinking about how a change might affect someone with poor eyesight, color blindness, or limited mobility.\r \r This is most likely a frivolous lawsuit, but many businesses simply do not bother with it, rendering much of the web inaccessible to people who use assistive devices. I hope you prioritize this work even if the lawsuit is dismissed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9755.0,"score_ratio":1.0434782609} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij3fim2","c_root_id_B":"ij3hx2z","created_at_utc_A":1659728360,"created_at_utc_B":1659729282,"score_A":14,"score_B":48,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ve seen companies do this before and known of friends who were hired to scan through websites and find any that may fit the bill of non-Ada compliant and send out a complaint. These are litigation factories, they also tend to reuse the same defendants (typically defendants who are visually impaired or sound impaired). Normally most companies even if in the right would rather not go to court and pay legal fees that add up so they end up settling and boom the firms make money and kick back some for them and some for the reused defendant.","human_ref_B":"No website can ever be 100% ADA-compliant. ADA website compliance isn't pass-fail. A website can be more or less compliant based on how close you get to the WCAG guidelines. The problem is that unless a website is *specifically* designed for ADA accessibility in mind, it's usually not. Unfortunately, courts have ruled repeatedly that if your website is for conducting business online, then it must meet ADA guidelines under Title III of the ADA. However the requirement is that the business falls under one of the 12 business type categories AND deals in interstate commerce. **ADA Standards for Accessible Design are NOT the same as 508 compliance.** Unfortunately, website accessibility lawsuits are 99% money grabs, but civil suit burden of proof is low, and the courts don't really have rule of law to fall back on for judgement because the law is being made up along the way, and the DOJ hasnt issued any binding decisions on it in 12 years. The easiest thing to do is run a WCAG 2.1 AA audit and remediate the website as much as possible.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":922.0,"score_ratio":3.4285714286} {"post_id":"wgz6z2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My company received a lawyers letter stating that my website was not ADA compliant. A law firm that represents blind and deaf clients has targeted our company. There were reportedly several blind clients who were unable to access our website. I added widgets to make it compliant. This firm's paralegal told me over the phone that I would have to pay $200,000 in legal fees to defend ourselves in this lawsuit. I emailed them and offered to pay them $10k because $200k seemed excessive for our company, which is still in its early stages. If the allegations are indeed true, I would like to improve my website, but paying such a large sum is a death note for our company. What should I do in this situation? I\u2019m located in Texas too, if that information helps.","c_root_id_A":"ij2sinz","c_root_id_B":"ij2tmnm","created_at_utc_A":1659719527,"created_at_utc_B":1659719951,"score_A":46,"score_B":48,"human_ref_A":"Web developer here.\r \r It will be great if you consult with a lawyer, but could you please speak with your engineering team about steps to make your site more accessible? Or use an accessibility Widget to perform an audit to ensure compliance with the ADA and WCAG? Userway does an excellent job in this regard. \r \r This isn't some crazy insurmountable effort; the things you need to add to make the site usable with things like screen readers and other assistive devices are pretty straightforward, and a lot of it comes down to just being in the habit of thinking about how a change might affect someone with poor eyesight, color blindness, or limited mobility.\r \r This is most likely a frivolous lawsuit, but many businesses simply do not bother with it, rendering much of the web inaccessible to people who use assistive devices. I hope you prioritize this work even if the lawsuit is dismissed.","human_ref_B":"I am an attorney, I am not your attorney. Immediately cease communications with this firm and contact an attorney that deals with ADA compliance to assist you. Make no further offers, and send an email revoking your previous offer effective immediately. Make no further contact after this point until you are advised by an attorney regarding how to handle further and give you actual legal advice based on the specifics of your situation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":424.0,"score_ratio":1.0434782609} {"post_id":"xfem42","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor thinks he owns the street. Now he's hitting my car with his vehicle. First time post to this sub so please bear with me. We just moved into a new home that we rent. on the first day our neighbor's son comes over, in what we think is a friendly introduction. The first thing he says is \"just so you guys know, this whole sidewalk.... I park here. No one else can\". We respond with a \"whatever, nice to meet you\". We end up having full blown screaming matches with him and his extended family weeks later. Until NOW. I've just about had it and I don't know what else to do because the police will do nothing about this. Last week the son who thinks he owns the sidewalk has parked so close to my car he is *completely touching* the rear end of my vehicle. I've talked to a dispatcher about this and he told me the only thing I can do is raise a stink with my neighbor as long as theres no damage to my vehicle. And as I type this, I look out my window and he's done the same thing again. The police have basically told me to fuck off in this issue as they said that i cannot document damage. He pulls into my car so slowly that he's just barely making contact, but no scratched or anything like that. Its incredibly petty and annoying and WILL cause damage. Can someone help me understand why it's legal for this piece of garbage to hit my car twice in two weeks but it's not grounds for me to press charges. I've collected evidence and even statements from other neighbors saying they watch him do it.","c_root_id_A":"ioni0qc","c_root_id_B":"ionmofs","created_at_utc_A":1663328115,"created_at_utc_B":1663330659,"score_A":72,"score_B":435,"human_ref_A":"Get a notebook and document time and date you encounter these people. Describe each interaction in this notebook. Document every time you\u2019ve call the police with date and time. Also get a ring doorbell camera, dash camera, and other cameras around your house. If you have pets be sure not to leave them outside along and have camera coverage over the yard and the side of the house you share with this neighbor. If this ever escalated you will have video footage, your notebook with all the interactions and times you\u2019ve called the police and they did nothing.","human_ref_B":"Park your car so that pulling up behind you causes him to block your driveway. Then have him towed","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2544.0,"score_ratio":6.0416666667} {"post_id":"xfem42","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor thinks he owns the street. Now he's hitting my car with his vehicle. First time post to this sub so please bear with me. We just moved into a new home that we rent. on the first day our neighbor's son comes over, in what we think is a friendly introduction. The first thing he says is \"just so you guys know, this whole sidewalk.... I park here. No one else can\". We respond with a \"whatever, nice to meet you\". We end up having full blown screaming matches with him and his extended family weeks later. Until NOW. I've just about had it and I don't know what else to do because the police will do nothing about this. Last week the son who thinks he owns the sidewalk has parked so close to my car he is *completely touching* the rear end of my vehicle. I've talked to a dispatcher about this and he told me the only thing I can do is raise a stink with my neighbor as long as theres no damage to my vehicle. And as I type this, I look out my window and he's done the same thing again. The police have basically told me to fuck off in this issue as they said that i cannot document damage. He pulls into my car so slowly that he's just barely making contact, but no scratched or anything like that. Its incredibly petty and annoying and WILL cause damage. Can someone help me understand why it's legal for this piece of garbage to hit my car twice in two weeks but it's not grounds for me to press charges. I've collected evidence and even statements from other neighbors saying they watch him do it.","c_root_id_A":"ionmofs","c_root_id_B":"iom67f0","created_at_utc_A":1663330659,"created_at_utc_B":1663295341,"score_A":435,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"Park your car so that pulling up behind you causes him to block your driveway. Then have him towed","human_ref_B":"Does your neighborhood have an HOA? If so, this may be one of the few times that an HOA could work in your favor.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":35318.0,"score_ratio":9.2553191489} {"post_id":"xfem42","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor thinks he owns the street. Now he's hitting my car with his vehicle. First time post to this sub so please bear with me. We just moved into a new home that we rent. on the first day our neighbor's son comes over, in what we think is a friendly introduction. The first thing he says is \"just so you guys know, this whole sidewalk.... I park here. No one else can\". We respond with a \"whatever, nice to meet you\". We end up having full blown screaming matches with him and his extended family weeks later. Until NOW. I've just about had it and I don't know what else to do because the police will do nothing about this. Last week the son who thinks he owns the sidewalk has parked so close to my car he is *completely touching* the rear end of my vehicle. I've talked to a dispatcher about this and he told me the only thing I can do is raise a stink with my neighbor as long as theres no damage to my vehicle. And as I type this, I look out my window and he's done the same thing again. The police have basically told me to fuck off in this issue as they said that i cannot document damage. He pulls into my car so slowly that he's just barely making contact, but no scratched or anything like that. Its incredibly petty and annoying and WILL cause damage. Can someone help me understand why it's legal for this piece of garbage to hit my car twice in two weeks but it's not grounds for me to press charges. I've collected evidence and even statements from other neighbors saying they watch him do it.","c_root_id_A":"ioo4b8q","c_root_id_B":"ionznq1","created_at_utc_A":1663338534,"created_at_utc_B":1663336632,"score_A":125,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"Do some research in your municipal code. There's likely a traffic code, which could specify a minimum distance clearing between cars when parked. Cops can cite even if you can't report some sort of crash or damage.","human_ref_B":"You need to stop getting into screaming matches with your neighbor. It is doing nothing to help your situation. Just because him hitting your car is not causing damage to the bumper does not mean it not damaging the car. There are internal crash structures which may be damaged and if this is moving your car it could be damaging the parking prawl inside the transmission. Use your parking brake to prevent this. Attempt to park in a way that him parking touching your car would be actually illegal, as in it would place his vehicle blocking a driveway, hydrant, etc. If he's parking in the sidewalk (it's unclear from your description), notify the police or local code enforcement. Record your interactions with the neighbor, and set up cameras to record your car if possible. Familiarize yourself with local laws. If the police are failing to act on something that's actually illegal, you'll need to elevate your complaints.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1902.0,"score_ratio":1.2886597938} {"post_id":"xfem42","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor thinks he owns the street. Now he's hitting my car with his vehicle. First time post to this sub so please bear with me. We just moved into a new home that we rent. on the first day our neighbor's son comes over, in what we think is a friendly introduction. The first thing he says is \"just so you guys know, this whole sidewalk.... I park here. No one else can\". We respond with a \"whatever, nice to meet you\". We end up having full blown screaming matches with him and his extended family weeks later. Until NOW. I've just about had it and I don't know what else to do because the police will do nothing about this. Last week the son who thinks he owns the sidewalk has parked so close to my car he is *completely touching* the rear end of my vehicle. I've talked to a dispatcher about this and he told me the only thing I can do is raise a stink with my neighbor as long as theres no damage to my vehicle. And as I type this, I look out my window and he's done the same thing again. The police have basically told me to fuck off in this issue as they said that i cannot document damage. He pulls into my car so slowly that he's just barely making contact, but no scratched or anything like that. Its incredibly petty and annoying and WILL cause damage. Can someone help me understand why it's legal for this piece of garbage to hit my car twice in two weeks but it's not grounds for me to press charges. I've collected evidence and even statements from other neighbors saying they watch him do it.","c_root_id_A":"ioni0qc","c_root_id_B":"ioo4b8q","created_at_utc_A":1663328115,"created_at_utc_B":1663338534,"score_A":72,"score_B":125,"human_ref_A":"Get a notebook and document time and date you encounter these people. Describe each interaction in this notebook. Document every time you\u2019ve call the police with date and time. Also get a ring doorbell camera, dash camera, and other cameras around your house. If you have pets be sure not to leave them outside along and have camera coverage over the yard and the side of the house you share with this neighbor. If this ever escalated you will have video footage, your notebook with all the interactions and times you\u2019ve called the police and they did nothing.","human_ref_B":"Do some research in your municipal code. There's likely a traffic code, which could specify a minimum distance clearing between cars when parked. Cops can cite even if you can't report some sort of crash or damage.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10419.0,"score_ratio":1.7361111111} {"post_id":"xfem42","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor thinks he owns the street. Now he's hitting my car with his vehicle. First time post to this sub so please bear with me. We just moved into a new home that we rent. on the first day our neighbor's son comes over, in what we think is a friendly introduction. The first thing he says is \"just so you guys know, this whole sidewalk.... I park here. No one else can\". We respond with a \"whatever, nice to meet you\". We end up having full blown screaming matches with him and his extended family weeks later. Until NOW. I've just about had it and I don't know what else to do because the police will do nothing about this. Last week the son who thinks he owns the sidewalk has parked so close to my car he is *completely touching* the rear end of my vehicle. I've talked to a dispatcher about this and he told me the only thing I can do is raise a stink with my neighbor as long as theres no damage to my vehicle. And as I type this, I look out my window and he's done the same thing again. The police have basically told me to fuck off in this issue as they said that i cannot document damage. He pulls into my car so slowly that he's just barely making contact, but no scratched or anything like that. Its incredibly petty and annoying and WILL cause damage. Can someone help me understand why it's legal for this piece of garbage to hit my car twice in two weeks but it's not grounds for me to press charges. I've collected evidence and even statements from other neighbors saying they watch him do it.","c_root_id_A":"ionxfpo","c_root_id_B":"ioo4b8q","created_at_utc_A":1663335693,"created_at_utc_B":1663338534,"score_A":58,"score_B":125,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer. I can simply offer useful information here. While there may not be visible damage to your vehicle, it doesn't mean there isn't damage. Newer cars are designed to lessen the blow to smaller road entities such a bikes and pedestrians. They do this with a sensitive crash structure inside the bumper. By him hitting your bumper, he may be damaging the crash structure resulting in it having compromised crash protection.","human_ref_B":"Do some research in your municipal code. There's likely a traffic code, which could specify a minimum distance clearing between cars when parked. Cops can cite even if you can't report some sort of crash or damage.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2841.0,"score_ratio":2.1551724138} {"post_id":"xfem42","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor thinks he owns the street. Now he's hitting my car with his vehicle. First time post to this sub so please bear with me. We just moved into a new home that we rent. on the first day our neighbor's son comes over, in what we think is a friendly introduction. The first thing he says is \"just so you guys know, this whole sidewalk.... I park here. No one else can\". We respond with a \"whatever, nice to meet you\". We end up having full blown screaming matches with him and his extended family weeks later. Until NOW. I've just about had it and I don't know what else to do because the police will do nothing about this. Last week the son who thinks he owns the sidewalk has parked so close to my car he is *completely touching* the rear end of my vehicle. I've talked to a dispatcher about this and he told me the only thing I can do is raise a stink with my neighbor as long as theres no damage to my vehicle. And as I type this, I look out my window and he's done the same thing again. The police have basically told me to fuck off in this issue as they said that i cannot document damage. He pulls into my car so slowly that he's just barely making contact, but no scratched or anything like that. Its incredibly petty and annoying and WILL cause damage. Can someone help me understand why it's legal for this piece of garbage to hit my car twice in two weeks but it's not grounds for me to press charges. I've collected evidence and even statements from other neighbors saying they watch him do it.","c_root_id_A":"iom67f0","c_root_id_B":"ioo4b8q","created_at_utc_A":1663295341,"created_at_utc_B":1663338534,"score_A":47,"score_B":125,"human_ref_A":"Does your neighborhood have an HOA? If so, this may be one of the few times that an HOA could work in your favor.","human_ref_B":"Do some research in your municipal code. There's likely a traffic code, which could specify a minimum distance clearing between cars when parked. Cops can cite even if you can't report some sort of crash or damage.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":43193.0,"score_ratio":2.6595744681} {"post_id":"xfem42","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor thinks he owns the street. Now he's hitting my car with his vehicle. First time post to this sub so please bear with me. We just moved into a new home that we rent. on the first day our neighbor's son comes over, in what we think is a friendly introduction. The first thing he says is \"just so you guys know, this whole sidewalk.... I park here. No one else can\". We respond with a \"whatever, nice to meet you\". We end up having full blown screaming matches with him and his extended family weeks later. Until NOW. I've just about had it and I don't know what else to do because the police will do nothing about this. Last week the son who thinks he owns the sidewalk has parked so close to my car he is *completely touching* the rear end of my vehicle. I've talked to a dispatcher about this and he told me the only thing I can do is raise a stink with my neighbor as long as theres no damage to my vehicle. And as I type this, I look out my window and he's done the same thing again. The police have basically told me to fuck off in this issue as they said that i cannot document damage. He pulls into my car so slowly that he's just barely making contact, but no scratched or anything like that. Its incredibly petty and annoying and WILL cause damage. Can someone help me understand why it's legal for this piece of garbage to hit my car twice in two weeks but it's not grounds for me to press charges. I've collected evidence and even statements from other neighbors saying they watch him do it.","c_root_id_A":"ioni0qc","c_root_id_B":"ionznq1","created_at_utc_A":1663328115,"created_at_utc_B":1663336632,"score_A":72,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"Get a notebook and document time and date you encounter these people. Describe each interaction in this notebook. Document every time you\u2019ve call the police with date and time. Also get a ring doorbell camera, dash camera, and other cameras around your house. If you have pets be sure not to leave them outside along and have camera coverage over the yard and the side of the house you share with this neighbor. If this ever escalated you will have video footage, your notebook with all the interactions and times you\u2019ve called the police and they did nothing.","human_ref_B":"You need to stop getting into screaming matches with your neighbor. It is doing nothing to help your situation. Just because him hitting your car is not causing damage to the bumper does not mean it not damaging the car. There are internal crash structures which may be damaged and if this is moving your car it could be damaging the parking prawl inside the transmission. Use your parking brake to prevent this. Attempt to park in a way that him parking touching your car would be actually illegal, as in it would place his vehicle blocking a driveway, hydrant, etc. If he's parking in the sidewalk (it's unclear from your description), notify the police or local code enforcement. Record your interactions with the neighbor, and set up cameras to record your car if possible. Familiarize yourself with local laws. If the police are failing to act on something that's actually illegal, you'll need to elevate your complaints.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8517.0,"score_ratio":1.3472222222} {"post_id":"xfem42","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor thinks he owns the street. Now he's hitting my car with his vehicle. First time post to this sub so please bear with me. We just moved into a new home that we rent. on the first day our neighbor's son comes over, in what we think is a friendly introduction. The first thing he says is \"just so you guys know, this whole sidewalk.... I park here. No one else can\". We respond with a \"whatever, nice to meet you\". We end up having full blown screaming matches with him and his extended family weeks later. Until NOW. I've just about had it and I don't know what else to do because the police will do nothing about this. Last week the son who thinks he owns the sidewalk has parked so close to my car he is *completely touching* the rear end of my vehicle. I've talked to a dispatcher about this and he told me the only thing I can do is raise a stink with my neighbor as long as theres no damage to my vehicle. And as I type this, I look out my window and he's done the same thing again. The police have basically told me to fuck off in this issue as they said that i cannot document damage. He pulls into my car so slowly that he's just barely making contact, but no scratched or anything like that. Its incredibly petty and annoying and WILL cause damage. Can someone help me understand why it's legal for this piece of garbage to hit my car twice in two weeks but it's not grounds for me to press charges. I've collected evidence and even statements from other neighbors saying they watch him do it.","c_root_id_A":"ionxfpo","c_root_id_B":"ionznq1","created_at_utc_A":1663335693,"created_at_utc_B":1663336632,"score_A":58,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer. I can simply offer useful information here. While there may not be visible damage to your vehicle, it doesn't mean there isn't damage. Newer cars are designed to lessen the blow to smaller road entities such a bikes and pedestrians. They do this with a sensitive crash structure inside the bumper. By him hitting your bumper, he may be damaging the crash structure resulting in it having compromised crash protection.","human_ref_B":"You need to stop getting into screaming matches with your neighbor. It is doing nothing to help your situation. Just because him hitting your car is not causing damage to the bumper does not mean it not damaging the car. There are internal crash structures which may be damaged and if this is moving your car it could be damaging the parking prawl inside the transmission. Use your parking brake to prevent this. Attempt to park in a way that him parking touching your car would be actually illegal, as in it would place his vehicle blocking a driveway, hydrant, etc. If he's parking in the sidewalk (it's unclear from your description), notify the police or local code enforcement. Record your interactions with the neighbor, and set up cameras to record your car if possible. Familiarize yourself with local laws. If the police are failing to act on something that's actually illegal, you'll need to elevate your complaints.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":939.0,"score_ratio":1.6724137931} {"post_id":"xfem42","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor thinks he owns the street. Now he's hitting my car with his vehicle. First time post to this sub so please bear with me. We just moved into a new home that we rent. on the first day our neighbor's son comes over, in what we think is a friendly introduction. The first thing he says is \"just so you guys know, this whole sidewalk.... I park here. No one else can\". We respond with a \"whatever, nice to meet you\". We end up having full blown screaming matches with him and his extended family weeks later. Until NOW. I've just about had it and I don't know what else to do because the police will do nothing about this. Last week the son who thinks he owns the sidewalk has parked so close to my car he is *completely touching* the rear end of my vehicle. I've talked to a dispatcher about this and he told me the only thing I can do is raise a stink with my neighbor as long as theres no damage to my vehicle. And as I type this, I look out my window and he's done the same thing again. The police have basically told me to fuck off in this issue as they said that i cannot document damage. He pulls into my car so slowly that he's just barely making contact, but no scratched or anything like that. Its incredibly petty and annoying and WILL cause damage. Can someone help me understand why it's legal for this piece of garbage to hit my car twice in two weeks but it's not grounds for me to press charges. I've collected evidence and even statements from other neighbors saying they watch him do it.","c_root_id_A":"iom67f0","c_root_id_B":"ionznq1","created_at_utc_A":1663295341,"created_at_utc_B":1663336632,"score_A":47,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"Does your neighborhood have an HOA? If so, this may be one of the few times that an HOA could work in your favor.","human_ref_B":"You need to stop getting into screaming matches with your neighbor. It is doing nothing to help your situation. Just because him hitting your car is not causing damage to the bumper does not mean it not damaging the car. There are internal crash structures which may be damaged and if this is moving your car it could be damaging the parking prawl inside the transmission. Use your parking brake to prevent this. Attempt to park in a way that him parking touching your car would be actually illegal, as in it would place his vehicle blocking a driveway, hydrant, etc. If he's parking in the sidewalk (it's unclear from your description), notify the police or local code enforcement. Record your interactions with the neighbor, and set up cameras to record your car if possible. Familiarize yourself with local laws. If the police are failing to act on something that's actually illegal, you'll need to elevate your complaints.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":41291.0,"score_ratio":2.0638297872} {"post_id":"xfem42","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor thinks he owns the street. Now he's hitting my car with his vehicle. First time post to this sub so please bear with me. We just moved into a new home that we rent. on the first day our neighbor's son comes over, in what we think is a friendly introduction. The first thing he says is \"just so you guys know, this whole sidewalk.... I park here. No one else can\". We respond with a \"whatever, nice to meet you\". We end up having full blown screaming matches with him and his extended family weeks later. Until NOW. I've just about had it and I don't know what else to do because the police will do nothing about this. Last week the son who thinks he owns the sidewalk has parked so close to my car he is *completely touching* the rear end of my vehicle. I've talked to a dispatcher about this and he told me the only thing I can do is raise a stink with my neighbor as long as theres no damage to my vehicle. And as I type this, I look out my window and he's done the same thing again. The police have basically told me to fuck off in this issue as they said that i cannot document damage. He pulls into my car so slowly that he's just barely making contact, but no scratched or anything like that. Its incredibly petty and annoying and WILL cause damage. Can someone help me understand why it's legal for this piece of garbage to hit my car twice in two weeks but it's not grounds for me to press charges. I've collected evidence and even statements from other neighbors saying they watch him do it.","c_root_id_A":"ioni0qc","c_root_id_B":"iom67f0","created_at_utc_A":1663328115,"created_at_utc_B":1663295341,"score_A":72,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"Get a notebook and document time and date you encounter these people. Describe each interaction in this notebook. Document every time you\u2019ve call the police with date and time. Also get a ring doorbell camera, dash camera, and other cameras around your house. If you have pets be sure not to leave them outside along and have camera coverage over the yard and the side of the house you share with this neighbor. If this ever escalated you will have video footage, your notebook with all the interactions and times you\u2019ve called the police and they did nothing.","human_ref_B":"Does your neighborhood have an HOA? If so, this may be one of the few times that an HOA could work in your favor.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":32774.0,"score_ratio":1.5319148936} {"post_id":"xfem42","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor thinks he owns the street. Now he's hitting my car with his vehicle. First time post to this sub so please bear with me. We just moved into a new home that we rent. on the first day our neighbor's son comes over, in what we think is a friendly introduction. The first thing he says is \"just so you guys know, this whole sidewalk.... I park here. No one else can\". We respond with a \"whatever, nice to meet you\". We end up having full blown screaming matches with him and his extended family weeks later. Until NOW. I've just about had it and I don't know what else to do because the police will do nothing about this. Last week the son who thinks he owns the sidewalk has parked so close to my car he is *completely touching* the rear end of my vehicle. I've talked to a dispatcher about this and he told me the only thing I can do is raise a stink with my neighbor as long as theres no damage to my vehicle. And as I type this, I look out my window and he's done the same thing again. The police have basically told me to fuck off in this issue as they said that i cannot document damage. He pulls into my car so slowly that he's just barely making contact, but no scratched or anything like that. Its incredibly petty and annoying and WILL cause damage. Can someone help me understand why it's legal for this piece of garbage to hit my car twice in two weeks but it's not grounds for me to press charges. I've collected evidence and even statements from other neighbors saying they watch him do it.","c_root_id_A":"ionxfpo","c_root_id_B":"iom67f0","created_at_utc_A":1663335693,"created_at_utc_B":1663295341,"score_A":58,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer. I can simply offer useful information here. While there may not be visible damage to your vehicle, it doesn't mean there isn't damage. Newer cars are designed to lessen the blow to smaller road entities such a bikes and pedestrians. They do this with a sensitive crash structure inside the bumper. By him hitting your bumper, he may be damaging the crash structure resulting in it having compromised crash protection.","human_ref_B":"Does your neighborhood have an HOA? If so, this may be one of the few times that an HOA could work in your favor.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":40352.0,"score_ratio":1.2340425532} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih8ordd","c_root_id_B":"ih8o83m","created_at_utc_A":1658524220,"created_at_utc_B":1658524006,"score_A":3360,"score_B":1579,"human_ref_A":"No, there is no such thing. But don't bother arguing about it with him. Believing in that nonsense is like being in a cult.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely not. It\u2019s all hooey. Go on you tube and search \u201csovereign citizen\u201d + \u201ccourt\u201d + \u201cfail\u201d and you\u2019ll find a drove of videos that show you how well these claims work. I\u2019ll spoil the punchline. They almost always end up in jail for contempt of court.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":214.0,"score_ratio":2.127929069} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih8ordd","c_root_id_B":"ih8nzu4","created_at_utc_A":1658524220,"created_at_utc_B":1658523916,"score_A":3360,"score_B":324,"human_ref_A":"No, there is no such thing. But don't bother arguing about it with him. Believing in that nonsense is like being in a cult.","human_ref_B":"Not a thing. Sov. Citizen crap isn't real","labels":1,"seconds_difference":304.0,"score_ratio":10.3703703704} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih91sl2","c_root_id_B":"ih8o83m","created_at_utc_A":1658529619,"created_at_utc_B":1658524006,"score_A":2679,"score_B":1579,"human_ref_A":"1. There is no such thing as a \u201cdo not detain\u201d list. 2. There is no such thing as a \u201csovereign citizen\u201d in the US. The sovereign citizen B.S. you hear people spew on YouTube is such a confused and convoluted mish-mash of legal jargon from unrelated areas of law that you will literally be dumber for having listened to it. As for the people who believe and spread that nonsense, I award them no points and may God have mercy on their souls.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely not. It\u2019s all hooey. Go on you tube and search \u201csovereign citizen\u201d + \u201ccourt\u201d + \u201cfail\u201d and you\u2019ll find a drove of videos that show you how well these claims work. I\u2019ll spoil the punchline. They almost always end up in jail for contempt of court.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5613.0,"score_ratio":1.6966434452} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih91sl2","c_root_id_B":"ih8ty6u","created_at_utc_A":1658529619,"created_at_utc_B":1658526309,"score_A":2679,"score_B":739,"human_ref_A":"1. There is no such thing as a \u201cdo not detain\u201d list. 2. There is no such thing as a \u201csovereign citizen\u201d in the US. The sovereign citizen B.S. you hear people spew on YouTube is such a confused and convoluted mish-mash of legal jargon from unrelated areas of law that you will literally be dumber for having listened to it. As for the people who believe and spread that nonsense, I award them no points and may God have mercy on their souls.","human_ref_B":"Oh, my ... SovCits are so entertaining. No, there is no such thing. Here is a good lawyer from a pretty good podcast pointing out the ridiculousness of them all, ridiculing them, etc. https:\/\/openargs.com\/oa12-tax-protesters-sovereign-citizens-wackiness\/ (there's a follow-up episode too - https:\/\/openargs.com\/oa98-sovereign-citizen-madness\/) So, enjoy the entertainment your \"buddy\" provides ... but keep in mind how much distance you want to keep between you and him personally \/ socially \/ financially \/ etc. because SovCits are a bit \"out there\" mentally ... and if they're \"out there\" in one area in life, chances are they're \"out there\" in several.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3310.0,"score_ratio":3.6251691475} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih91sl2","c_root_id_B":"ih8xv4e","created_at_utc_A":1658529619,"created_at_utc_B":1658527935,"score_A":2679,"score_B":552,"human_ref_A":"1. There is no such thing as a \u201cdo not detain\u201d list. 2. There is no such thing as a \u201csovereign citizen\u201d in the US. The sovereign citizen B.S. you hear people spew on YouTube is such a confused and convoluted mish-mash of legal jargon from unrelated areas of law that you will literally be dumber for having listened to it. As for the people who believe and spread that nonsense, I award them no points and may God have mercy on their souls.","human_ref_B":"It's more of a philosophical concept that you don't \"belong\" to a government because you never voluntarily signed the social contract. They believe you need to opt-in to social rules and regulations of a country, and since they didn't, cannot be morally bound to them. Unfortunately for your friend, the entire premise ends there at being a philosophical thought experiment. Anybody that tries to exercise this logic in reality usually ends up learning that Governments aren't inclined to respect the idea that you can just sort of declare yourself exempt from rule. Regardless of moral right or wrong, you can't really evade laws just by pretending they don't exist.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1684.0,"score_ratio":4.8532608696} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih91sl2","c_root_id_B":"ih8nzu4","created_at_utc_A":1658529619,"created_at_utc_B":1658523916,"score_A":2679,"score_B":324,"human_ref_A":"1. There is no such thing as a \u201cdo not detain\u201d list. 2. There is no such thing as a \u201csovereign citizen\u201d in the US. The sovereign citizen B.S. you hear people spew on YouTube is such a confused and convoluted mish-mash of legal jargon from unrelated areas of law that you will literally be dumber for having listened to it. As for the people who believe and spread that nonsense, I award them no points and may God have mercy on their souls.","human_ref_B":"Not a thing. Sov. Citizen crap isn't real","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5703.0,"score_ratio":8.2685185185} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih8pp9t","c_root_id_B":"ih91sl2","created_at_utc_A":1658524595,"created_at_utc_B":1658529619,"score_A":108,"score_B":2679,"human_ref_A":"SOVEREIGN CITIZENS MOVEMENT. It is very complex as there are a lot of versions of Sovereign Citizens (SovCits). This is a good start.","human_ref_B":"1. There is no such thing as a \u201cdo not detain\u201d list. 2. There is no such thing as a \u201csovereign citizen\u201d in the US. The sovereign citizen B.S. you hear people spew on YouTube is such a confused and convoluted mish-mash of legal jargon from unrelated areas of law that you will literally be dumber for having listened to it. As for the people who believe and spread that nonsense, I award them no points and may God have mercy on their souls.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5024.0,"score_ratio":24.8055555556} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih90s45","c_root_id_B":"ih91sl2","created_at_utc_A":1658529181,"created_at_utc_B":1658529619,"score_A":87,"score_B":2679,"human_ref_A":"your buddy is an idiot. The SC movement and members are delusional at best and can be very dangerous. https:\/\/www.splcenter.org\/fighting-hate\/extremist-files\/ideology\/sovereign-citizens-movement","human_ref_B":"1. There is no such thing as a \u201cdo not detain\u201d list. 2. There is no such thing as a \u201csovereign citizen\u201d in the US. The sovereign citizen B.S. you hear people spew on YouTube is such a confused and convoluted mish-mash of legal jargon from unrelated areas of law that you will literally be dumber for having listened to it. As for the people who believe and spread that nonsense, I award them no points and may God have mercy on their souls.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":438.0,"score_ratio":30.7931034483} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih8nzu4","c_root_id_B":"ih8o83m","created_at_utc_A":1658523916,"created_at_utc_B":1658524006,"score_A":324,"score_B":1579,"human_ref_A":"Not a thing. Sov. Citizen crap isn't real","human_ref_B":"Absolutely not. It\u2019s all hooey. Go on you tube and search \u201csovereign citizen\u201d + \u201ccourt\u201d + \u201cfail\u201d and you\u2019ll find a drove of videos that show you how well these claims work. I\u2019ll spoil the punchline. They almost always end up in jail for contempt of court.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":90.0,"score_ratio":4.8734567901} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih8nzu4","c_root_id_B":"ih8ty6u","created_at_utc_A":1658523916,"created_at_utc_B":1658526309,"score_A":324,"score_B":739,"human_ref_A":"Not a thing. Sov. Citizen crap isn't real","human_ref_B":"Oh, my ... SovCits are so entertaining. No, there is no such thing. Here is a good lawyer from a pretty good podcast pointing out the ridiculousness of them all, ridiculing them, etc. https:\/\/openargs.com\/oa12-tax-protesters-sovereign-citizens-wackiness\/ (there's a follow-up episode too - https:\/\/openargs.com\/oa98-sovereign-citizen-madness\/) So, enjoy the entertainment your \"buddy\" provides ... but keep in mind how much distance you want to keep between you and him personally \/ socially \/ financially \/ etc. because SovCits are a bit \"out there\" mentally ... and if they're \"out there\" in one area in life, chances are they're \"out there\" in several.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2393.0,"score_ratio":2.2808641975} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih8pp9t","c_root_id_B":"ih8ty6u","created_at_utc_A":1658524595,"created_at_utc_B":1658526309,"score_A":108,"score_B":739,"human_ref_A":"SOVEREIGN CITIZENS MOVEMENT. It is very complex as there are a lot of versions of Sovereign Citizens (SovCits). This is a good start.","human_ref_B":"Oh, my ... SovCits are so entertaining. No, there is no such thing. Here is a good lawyer from a pretty good podcast pointing out the ridiculousness of them all, ridiculing them, etc. https:\/\/openargs.com\/oa12-tax-protesters-sovereign-citizens-wackiness\/ (there's a follow-up episode too - https:\/\/openargs.com\/oa98-sovereign-citizen-madness\/) So, enjoy the entertainment your \"buddy\" provides ... but keep in mind how much distance you want to keep between you and him personally \/ socially \/ financially \/ etc. because SovCits are a bit \"out there\" mentally ... and if they're \"out there\" in one area in life, chances are they're \"out there\" in several.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1714.0,"score_ratio":6.8425925926} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih96sba","c_root_id_B":"ih8xv4e","created_at_utc_A":1658531811,"created_at_utc_B":1658527935,"score_A":641,"score_B":552,"human_ref_A":"I envision a taser in your friend's future.","human_ref_B":"It's more of a philosophical concept that you don't \"belong\" to a government because you never voluntarily signed the social contract. They believe you need to opt-in to social rules and regulations of a country, and since they didn't, cannot be morally bound to them. Unfortunately for your friend, the entire premise ends there at being a philosophical thought experiment. Anybody that tries to exercise this logic in reality usually ends up learning that Governments aren't inclined to respect the idea that you can just sort of declare yourself exempt from rule. Regardless of moral right or wrong, you can't really evade laws just by pretending they don't exist.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3876.0,"score_ratio":1.1612318841} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih96sba","c_root_id_B":"ih8nzu4","created_at_utc_A":1658531811,"created_at_utc_B":1658523916,"score_A":641,"score_B":324,"human_ref_A":"I envision a taser in your friend's future.","human_ref_B":"Not a thing. Sov. Citizen crap isn't real","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7895.0,"score_ratio":1.9783950617} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih93t4m","c_root_id_B":"ih96sba","created_at_utc_A":1658530496,"created_at_utc_B":1658531811,"score_A":154,"score_B":641,"human_ref_A":"There is a do not detain list. You do NOT want to be on it. They don\u2019t make that list for those \u201csmart\u201d enough to believe total bullshit where they somehow have legal immunity if they use the right words. The DND list is for when they have a bigger iron in the fire. Like they don\u2019t want the drug dealer they are about to sting to get pulled over for a suspended license and have has car towed the day before. Far more likely though your friend is an idiot. If its a legal opinion that comes out of the mouth of a sovcit, assume it\u2019s wrong. They are most all the time.","human_ref_B":"I envision a taser in your friend's future.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1315.0,"score_ratio":4.1623376623} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih96sba","c_root_id_B":"ih8pp9t","created_at_utc_A":1658531811,"created_at_utc_B":1658524595,"score_A":641,"score_B":108,"human_ref_A":"I envision a taser in your friend's future.","human_ref_B":"SOVEREIGN CITIZENS MOVEMENT. It is very complex as there are a lot of versions of Sovereign Citizens (SovCits). This is a good start.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7216.0,"score_ratio":5.9351851852} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih90s45","c_root_id_B":"ih96sba","created_at_utc_A":1658529181,"created_at_utc_B":1658531811,"score_A":87,"score_B":641,"human_ref_A":"your buddy is an idiot. The SC movement and members are delusional at best and can be very dangerous. https:\/\/www.splcenter.org\/fighting-hate\/extremist-files\/ideology\/sovereign-citizens-movement","human_ref_B":"I envision a taser in your friend's future.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2630.0,"score_ratio":7.367816092} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih96sba","c_root_id_B":"ih951lh","created_at_utc_A":1658531811,"created_at_utc_B":1658531036,"score_A":641,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"I envision a taser in your friend's future.","human_ref_B":"There are a very small number of people who can\u2019t be detained. First is diplomats that have diplomatic immunity. Not every diplomat has immunity. And the US government can kick them out at any time. Though no arrest or detainment with out the host countries approval. This is by treaty, and trumps all state and local laws. Second is the President of the US, while in office is generally immune from arrest or detainment. Third is members of congress and their aides in performance of their job. This doesn\u2019t apply to felonies or treason. There are similar laws at a state level in many states. (See speech and debate clause) Fourth are US military, including activated National guard, while performing a mission. For instance, a convoy carrying a nuclear war head across the country can\u2019t be stopped by a local cop. This only applies while actively carrying out the mission. Unless your friend is part of one of those groups, he has read to much BS online and he will be stopped if an LEO chooses to stop him. And if he is part of group 2 or 3, we know he is full of BS.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":775.0,"score_ratio":16.8684210526} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih8nzu4","c_root_id_B":"ih8xv4e","created_at_utc_A":1658523916,"created_at_utc_B":1658527935,"score_A":324,"score_B":552,"human_ref_A":"Not a thing. Sov. Citizen crap isn't real","human_ref_B":"It's more of a philosophical concept that you don't \"belong\" to a government because you never voluntarily signed the social contract. They believe you need to opt-in to social rules and regulations of a country, and since they didn't, cannot be morally bound to them. Unfortunately for your friend, the entire premise ends there at being a philosophical thought experiment. Anybody that tries to exercise this logic in reality usually ends up learning that Governments aren't inclined to respect the idea that you can just sort of declare yourself exempt from rule. Regardless of moral right or wrong, you can't really evade laws just by pretending they don't exist.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4019.0,"score_ratio":1.7037037037} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih8xv4e","c_root_id_B":"ih8pp9t","created_at_utc_A":1658527935,"created_at_utc_B":1658524595,"score_A":552,"score_B":108,"human_ref_A":"It's more of a philosophical concept that you don't \"belong\" to a government because you never voluntarily signed the social contract. They believe you need to opt-in to social rules and regulations of a country, and since they didn't, cannot be morally bound to them. Unfortunately for your friend, the entire premise ends there at being a philosophical thought experiment. Anybody that tries to exercise this logic in reality usually ends up learning that Governments aren't inclined to respect the idea that you can just sort of declare yourself exempt from rule. Regardless of moral right or wrong, you can't really evade laws just by pretending they don't exist.","human_ref_B":"SOVEREIGN CITIZENS MOVEMENT. It is very complex as there are a lot of versions of Sovereign Citizens (SovCits). This is a good start.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3340.0,"score_ratio":5.1111111111} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih8pp9t","c_root_id_B":"ih93t4m","created_at_utc_A":1658524595,"created_at_utc_B":1658530496,"score_A":108,"score_B":154,"human_ref_A":"SOVEREIGN CITIZENS MOVEMENT. It is very complex as there are a lot of versions of Sovereign Citizens (SovCits). This is a good start.","human_ref_B":"There is a do not detain list. You do NOT want to be on it. They don\u2019t make that list for those \u201csmart\u201d enough to believe total bullshit where they somehow have legal immunity if they use the right words. The DND list is for when they have a bigger iron in the fire. Like they don\u2019t want the drug dealer they are about to sting to get pulled over for a suspended license and have has car towed the day before. Far more likely though your friend is an idiot. If its a legal opinion that comes out of the mouth of a sovcit, assume it\u2019s wrong. They are most all the time.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5901.0,"score_ratio":1.4259259259} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih93t4m","c_root_id_B":"ih90s45","created_at_utc_A":1658530496,"created_at_utc_B":1658529181,"score_A":154,"score_B":87,"human_ref_A":"There is a do not detain list. You do NOT want to be on it. They don\u2019t make that list for those \u201csmart\u201d enough to believe total bullshit where they somehow have legal immunity if they use the right words. The DND list is for when they have a bigger iron in the fire. Like they don\u2019t want the drug dealer they are about to sting to get pulled over for a suspended license and have has car towed the day before. Far more likely though your friend is an idiot. If its a legal opinion that comes out of the mouth of a sovcit, assume it\u2019s wrong. They are most all the time.","human_ref_B":"your buddy is an idiot. The SC movement and members are delusional at best and can be very dangerous. https:\/\/www.splcenter.org\/fighting-hate\/extremist-files\/ideology\/sovereign-citizens-movement","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1315.0,"score_ratio":1.7701149425} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih9c2fn","c_root_id_B":"ih90s45","created_at_utc_A":1658534229,"created_at_utc_B":1658529181,"score_A":92,"score_B":87,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ll bet that\u2019s not even the dumbest thing he believes.","human_ref_B":"your buddy is an idiot. The SC movement and members are delusional at best and can be very dangerous. https:\/\/www.splcenter.org\/fighting-hate\/extremist-files\/ideology\/sovereign-citizens-movement","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5048.0,"score_ratio":1.0574712644} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih9c2fn","c_root_id_B":"ih9b6dd","created_at_utc_A":1658534229,"created_at_utc_B":1658533809,"score_A":92,"score_B":54,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ll bet that\u2019s not even the dumbest thing he believes.","human_ref_B":"Your buddy is so wrong and I'd be careful. People who have dropped that far down the rabbit hole of conspiracies and cult like beliefs can be unsafe because they may be more willing to do dumb stuff that gets them and others around them hurt and\/or in trouble.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":420.0,"score_ratio":1.7037037037} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih9c2fn","c_root_id_B":"ih9bo52","created_at_utc_A":1658534229,"created_at_utc_B":1658534042,"score_A":92,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019ll bet that\u2019s not even the dumbest thing he believes.","human_ref_B":"Sov cits are an interesting example of why education is important. You should probably have your buddy look up what happens to sovereign citizens at traffic stops. There's no such thing as a \"do not detain list\" and you might want to make sure your buddy isn't getting scammed by someone trying to sell him on that bull crap.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":187.0,"score_ratio":2.1395348837} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih951lh","c_root_id_B":"ih9c2fn","created_at_utc_A":1658531036,"created_at_utc_B":1658534229,"score_A":38,"score_B":92,"human_ref_A":"There are a very small number of people who can\u2019t be detained. First is diplomats that have diplomatic immunity. Not every diplomat has immunity. And the US government can kick them out at any time. Though no arrest or detainment with out the host countries approval. This is by treaty, and trumps all state and local laws. Second is the President of the US, while in office is generally immune from arrest or detainment. Third is members of congress and their aides in performance of their job. This doesn\u2019t apply to felonies or treason. There are similar laws at a state level in many states. (See speech and debate clause) Fourth are US military, including activated National guard, while performing a mission. For instance, a convoy carrying a nuclear war head across the country can\u2019t be stopped by a local cop. This only applies while actively carrying out the mission. Unless your friend is part of one of those groups, he has read to much BS online and he will be stopped if an LEO chooses to stop him. And if he is part of group 2 or 3, we know he is full of BS.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019ll bet that\u2019s not even the dumbest thing he believes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3193.0,"score_ratio":2.4210526316} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih951lh","c_root_id_B":"ih9b6dd","created_at_utc_A":1658531036,"created_at_utc_B":1658533809,"score_A":38,"score_B":54,"human_ref_A":"There are a very small number of people who can\u2019t be detained. First is diplomats that have diplomatic immunity. Not every diplomat has immunity. And the US government can kick them out at any time. Though no arrest or detainment with out the host countries approval. This is by treaty, and trumps all state and local laws. Second is the President of the US, while in office is generally immune from arrest or detainment. Third is members of congress and their aides in performance of their job. This doesn\u2019t apply to felonies or treason. There are similar laws at a state level in many states. (See speech and debate clause) Fourth are US military, including activated National guard, while performing a mission. For instance, a convoy carrying a nuclear war head across the country can\u2019t be stopped by a local cop. This only applies while actively carrying out the mission. Unless your friend is part of one of those groups, he has read to much BS online and he will be stopped if an LEO chooses to stop him. And if he is part of group 2 or 3, we know he is full of BS.","human_ref_B":"Your buddy is so wrong and I'd be careful. People who have dropped that far down the rabbit hole of conspiracies and cult like beliefs can be unsafe because they may be more willing to do dumb stuff that gets them and others around them hurt and\/or in trouble.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2773.0,"score_ratio":1.4210526316} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih9cet2","c_root_id_B":"ih9bo52","created_at_utc_A":1658534389,"created_at_utc_B":1658534042,"score_A":49,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"I think he's mistaken about what being on the no fly list means.","human_ref_B":"Sov cits are an interesting example of why education is important. You should probably have your buddy look up what happens to sovereign citizens at traffic stops. There's no such thing as a \"do not detain list\" and you might want to make sure your buddy isn't getting scammed by someone trying to sell him on that bull crap.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":347.0,"score_ratio":1.1395348837} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih951lh","c_root_id_B":"ih9cet2","created_at_utc_A":1658531036,"created_at_utc_B":1658534389,"score_A":38,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"There are a very small number of people who can\u2019t be detained. First is diplomats that have diplomatic immunity. Not every diplomat has immunity. And the US government can kick them out at any time. Though no arrest or detainment with out the host countries approval. This is by treaty, and trumps all state and local laws. Second is the President of the US, while in office is generally immune from arrest or detainment. Third is members of congress and their aides in performance of their job. This doesn\u2019t apply to felonies or treason. There are similar laws at a state level in many states. (See speech and debate clause) Fourth are US military, including activated National guard, while performing a mission. For instance, a convoy carrying a nuclear war head across the country can\u2019t be stopped by a local cop. This only applies while actively carrying out the mission. Unless your friend is part of one of those groups, he has read to much BS online and he will be stopped if an LEO chooses to stop him. And if he is part of group 2 or 3, we know he is full of BS.","human_ref_B":"I think he's mistaken about what being on the no fly list means.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3353.0,"score_ratio":1.2894736842} {"post_id":"w5la38","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My buddy thinks he's on a do not detain list and cops can't detain him because he's a sovereign citizen. Is there such thing?","c_root_id_A":"ih951lh","c_root_id_B":"ih9bo52","created_at_utc_A":1658531036,"created_at_utc_B":1658534042,"score_A":38,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"There are a very small number of people who can\u2019t be detained. First is diplomats that have diplomatic immunity. Not every diplomat has immunity. And the US government can kick them out at any time. Though no arrest or detainment with out the host countries approval. This is by treaty, and trumps all state and local laws. Second is the President of the US, while in office is generally immune from arrest or detainment. Third is members of congress and their aides in performance of their job. This doesn\u2019t apply to felonies or treason. There are similar laws at a state level in many states. (See speech and debate clause) Fourth are US military, including activated National guard, while performing a mission. For instance, a convoy carrying a nuclear war head across the country can\u2019t be stopped by a local cop. This only applies while actively carrying out the mission. Unless your friend is part of one of those groups, he has read to much BS online and he will be stopped if an LEO chooses to stop him. And if he is part of group 2 or 3, we know he is full of BS.","human_ref_B":"Sov cits are an interesting example of why education is important. You should probably have your buddy look up what happens to sovereign citizens at traffic stops. There's no such thing as a \"do not detain list\" and you might want to make sure your buddy isn't getting scammed by someone trying to sell him on that bull crap.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3006.0,"score_ratio":1.1315789474} {"post_id":"7nmgde","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"TX, Sister is in a destructive religious cult, looking to foster children. Any way I can intervene? Anonymously? My sister and her husband (both early 30s) were both raised in and continue to participate in a religious cult, the kind that stands on corners distributing pamphlets and sing songs about the coming destruction of all non-members during their multiple weekly religious meetings. They are isolationist, demanding absolutely minimal interaction with outsiders, typically home school their children, and strongly discourage education. Medical treatment and mental health treatment are discouraged, if not considered the work of Satan himself. They also practice extreme submission of women to the men. All that said, this group manages to seem like \"nice people\" to many outsiders who have no experience with them. I really fear for what a child, especially one that is likely going through a difficult time in their life would be exposed to. They live in a very rural area, on a plot of dozens of acres that has many of the family's homes scattered about. Is there anything I can do? These people excel at putting on normal facade. I don't know where to start.","c_root_id_A":"ds2xsih","c_root_id_B":"ds2u1gd","created_at_utc_A":1514906173,"created_at_utc_B":1514900477,"score_A":143,"score_B":58,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer and this is not legal advice. Honestly, I'd let the regular evaluation for fostering children run its course. I know that if they were to adopt a child homeschooling would be an option. But when fostering, the ability to homeschool is determined by the caseworker in accordance with the State's laws. For them to homeschool, assuming they even get the right to foster a child in the first place, they'd have to get permission through a caseworker who would have to review the precise lesson plans. As foster parents, and not adoptive or natural parents, it's really hard to get permission to homeschool. Many caseworkers believe an active social life at a local school is crucial for these foster children to feel a sense of normalcy. That, plus the likeliness that their lesson plan will be filled with inaccuracies, means that a fostered child would at least have to go to a local school. Your sister and her husband's fanaticism suggests that they won't budge on the homeschool issue, and this could potentially sink their chances of even fostering in the first place.","human_ref_B":"You can call cps but having religious beliefs that are different is not illegal and cps will not do anything. The parents are allowed to raise their children how ever they want as long as they have necessities and are not being physically harmed (not counting legal physical discipline)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5696.0,"score_ratio":2.4655172414} {"post_id":"e4qi1o","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My boss told me I couldn\u2019t use my FMLA, I called HR and now my performance is constantly monitored I have approved FMLA for my child who is disabled, I have had my FMLA approved for about 6 months now and I have been with the company for about two years. I was told by my head manager to text him whenever I needed to use it so that our other managers and employees wouldn\u2019t ask questions, and we have a written transaction. This was no issue the first few times I used it, until I attempted to use it when my child was sick and he told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to use my FMLA for that, and I promptly contacted HR. We had a (phone) meeting with HR and I was instructed to provide no reason when using FMLA, which I have stuck with ever since the meeting, but since then my performance is increasingly brought up and I\u2019ve been written up for rules that only apply to my location and my job description says nothing in regards to this rule. Not to mention that I have coworkers coming to me saying that they were told by management to watch me, and managers who have to go out of their way to run reports specifically for me. Now I\u2019m not the best employee as far as attendance goes but my performance is top notch, I have my numbers to support that, however I have really tried to step it up in hopes of the harassment lessening to no avail. I have already filed a complaint with the DOL but won\u2019t have my interview with them until February and I\u2019m being pressured more and more everyday so I\u2019m becoming increasingly concerned for my job. Please note that I am desperately searching for another job to avoid this situation as a whole but I also feel like I\u2019m being forced out. Is it time to get a lawyer, or do I have other options first? In TN","c_root_id_A":"f9euio6","c_root_id_B":"f9f2prc","created_at_utc_A":1575251920,"created_at_utc_B":1575257996,"score_A":173,"score_B":333,"human_ref_A":"The reality is that you pissed someone (likely your boss) off, so they are going to go out of their way to find a legal way to fire you. If your boss is going to make this happen, they'll find a way. I would suggest consulting an employment attorney sooner than later. If on the off chance you feel like your HR department is trustworthy (rarely a good assumption), you can meet with them and bring up the retaliation instances that you have seen. At the very least they know the legal peril the company might be in for pursuing this, but there is also a chance they move to clean up evidence of their wrongdoing.","human_ref_B":"In cases where the FMLA applies, an employer cannot subject an employee to greater scrutiny, or selectively enforce a rule against an employee, simply because the employee is taking approved, intermittent, and job-protected leave. See https:\/\/www.dol.gov\/whd\/regs\/compliance\/whdfs77b.htm.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6076.0,"score_ratio":1.9248554913} {"post_id":"e4qi1o","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My boss told me I couldn\u2019t use my FMLA, I called HR and now my performance is constantly monitored I have approved FMLA for my child who is disabled, I have had my FMLA approved for about 6 months now and I have been with the company for about two years. I was told by my head manager to text him whenever I needed to use it so that our other managers and employees wouldn\u2019t ask questions, and we have a written transaction. This was no issue the first few times I used it, until I attempted to use it when my child was sick and he told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to use my FMLA for that, and I promptly contacted HR. We had a (phone) meeting with HR and I was instructed to provide no reason when using FMLA, which I have stuck with ever since the meeting, but since then my performance is increasingly brought up and I\u2019ve been written up for rules that only apply to my location and my job description says nothing in regards to this rule. Not to mention that I have coworkers coming to me saying that they were told by management to watch me, and managers who have to go out of their way to run reports specifically for me. Now I\u2019m not the best employee as far as attendance goes but my performance is top notch, I have my numbers to support that, however I have really tried to step it up in hopes of the harassment lessening to no avail. I have already filed a complaint with the DOL but won\u2019t have my interview with them until February and I\u2019m being pressured more and more everyday so I\u2019m becoming increasingly concerned for my job. Please note that I am desperately searching for another job to avoid this situation as a whole but I also feel like I\u2019m being forced out. Is it time to get a lawyer, or do I have other options first? In TN","c_root_id_A":"f9eosjv","c_root_id_B":"f9f2prc","created_at_utc_A":1575247690,"created_at_utc_B":1575257996,"score_A":109,"score_B":333,"human_ref_A":"What does the CHCP say regarding the circumstances necessitating the leave time?","human_ref_B":"In cases where the FMLA applies, an employer cannot subject an employee to greater scrutiny, or selectively enforce a rule against an employee, simply because the employee is taking approved, intermittent, and job-protected leave. See https:\/\/www.dol.gov\/whd\/regs\/compliance\/whdfs77b.htm.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10306.0,"score_ratio":3.0550458716} {"post_id":"e4qi1o","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My boss told me I couldn\u2019t use my FMLA, I called HR and now my performance is constantly monitored I have approved FMLA for my child who is disabled, I have had my FMLA approved for about 6 months now and I have been with the company for about two years. I was told by my head manager to text him whenever I needed to use it so that our other managers and employees wouldn\u2019t ask questions, and we have a written transaction. This was no issue the first few times I used it, until I attempted to use it when my child was sick and he told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to use my FMLA for that, and I promptly contacted HR. We had a (phone) meeting with HR and I was instructed to provide no reason when using FMLA, which I have stuck with ever since the meeting, but since then my performance is increasingly brought up and I\u2019ve been written up for rules that only apply to my location and my job description says nothing in regards to this rule. Not to mention that I have coworkers coming to me saying that they were told by management to watch me, and managers who have to go out of their way to run reports specifically for me. Now I\u2019m not the best employee as far as attendance goes but my performance is top notch, I have my numbers to support that, however I have really tried to step it up in hopes of the harassment lessening to no avail. I have already filed a complaint with the DOL but won\u2019t have my interview with them until February and I\u2019m being pressured more and more everyday so I\u2019m becoming increasingly concerned for my job. Please note that I am desperately searching for another job to avoid this situation as a whole but I also feel like I\u2019m being forced out. Is it time to get a lawyer, or do I have other options first? In TN","c_root_id_A":"f9f2prc","c_root_id_B":"f9evcre","created_at_utc_A":1575257996,"created_at_utc_B":1575252542,"score_A":333,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"In cases where the FMLA applies, an employer cannot subject an employee to greater scrutiny, or selectively enforce a rule against an employee, simply because the employee is taking approved, intermittent, and job-protected leave. See https:\/\/www.dol.gov\/whd\/regs\/compliance\/whdfs77b.htm.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer. Never talk to HR about harassment or retaliation. Always speak directly to an attorney whose first piece of advice is going to be not to speak to HR or management and the second will be document everything.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5454.0,"score_ratio":7.085106383} {"post_id":"e4qi1o","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My boss told me I couldn\u2019t use my FMLA, I called HR and now my performance is constantly monitored I have approved FMLA for my child who is disabled, I have had my FMLA approved for about 6 months now and I have been with the company for about two years. I was told by my head manager to text him whenever I needed to use it so that our other managers and employees wouldn\u2019t ask questions, and we have a written transaction. This was no issue the first few times I used it, until I attempted to use it when my child was sick and he told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to use my FMLA for that, and I promptly contacted HR. We had a (phone) meeting with HR and I was instructed to provide no reason when using FMLA, which I have stuck with ever since the meeting, but since then my performance is increasingly brought up and I\u2019ve been written up for rules that only apply to my location and my job description says nothing in regards to this rule. Not to mention that I have coworkers coming to me saying that they were told by management to watch me, and managers who have to go out of their way to run reports specifically for me. Now I\u2019m not the best employee as far as attendance goes but my performance is top notch, I have my numbers to support that, however I have really tried to step it up in hopes of the harassment lessening to no avail. I have already filed a complaint with the DOL but won\u2019t have my interview with them until February and I\u2019m being pressured more and more everyday so I\u2019m becoming increasingly concerned for my job. Please note that I am desperately searching for another job to avoid this situation as a whole but I also feel like I\u2019m being forced out. Is it time to get a lawyer, or do I have other options first? In TN","c_root_id_A":"f9ezl60","c_root_id_B":"f9f2prc","created_at_utc_A":1575255670,"created_at_utc_B":1575257996,"score_A":38,"score_B":333,"human_ref_A":"When will everyone realize the HR dept will never, ever be on your side.....","human_ref_B":"In cases where the FMLA applies, an employer cannot subject an employee to greater scrutiny, or selectively enforce a rule against an employee, simply because the employee is taking approved, intermittent, and job-protected leave. See https:\/\/www.dol.gov\/whd\/regs\/compliance\/whdfs77b.htm.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2326.0,"score_ratio":8.7631578947} {"post_id":"e4qi1o","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My boss told me I couldn\u2019t use my FMLA, I called HR and now my performance is constantly monitored I have approved FMLA for my child who is disabled, I have had my FMLA approved for about 6 months now and I have been with the company for about two years. I was told by my head manager to text him whenever I needed to use it so that our other managers and employees wouldn\u2019t ask questions, and we have a written transaction. This was no issue the first few times I used it, until I attempted to use it when my child was sick and he told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to use my FMLA for that, and I promptly contacted HR. We had a (phone) meeting with HR and I was instructed to provide no reason when using FMLA, which I have stuck with ever since the meeting, but since then my performance is increasingly brought up and I\u2019ve been written up for rules that only apply to my location and my job description says nothing in regards to this rule. Not to mention that I have coworkers coming to me saying that they were told by management to watch me, and managers who have to go out of their way to run reports specifically for me. Now I\u2019m not the best employee as far as attendance goes but my performance is top notch, I have my numbers to support that, however I have really tried to step it up in hopes of the harassment lessening to no avail. I have already filed a complaint with the DOL but won\u2019t have my interview with them until February and I\u2019m being pressured more and more everyday so I\u2019m becoming increasingly concerned for my job. Please note that I am desperately searching for another job to avoid this situation as a whole but I also feel like I\u2019m being forced out. Is it time to get a lawyer, or do I have other options first? In TN","c_root_id_A":"f9ese4b","c_root_id_B":"f9f2prc","created_at_utc_A":1575250322,"created_at_utc_B":1575257996,"score_A":10,"score_B":333,"human_ref_A":"How many times have you used FMLA in 2 years?","human_ref_B":"In cases where the FMLA applies, an employer cannot subject an employee to greater scrutiny, or selectively enforce a rule against an employee, simply because the employee is taking approved, intermittent, and job-protected leave. See https:\/\/www.dol.gov\/whd\/regs\/compliance\/whdfs77b.htm.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7674.0,"score_ratio":33.3} {"post_id":"e4qi1o","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My boss told me I couldn\u2019t use my FMLA, I called HR and now my performance is constantly monitored I have approved FMLA for my child who is disabled, I have had my FMLA approved for about 6 months now and I have been with the company for about two years. I was told by my head manager to text him whenever I needed to use it so that our other managers and employees wouldn\u2019t ask questions, and we have a written transaction. This was no issue the first few times I used it, until I attempted to use it when my child was sick and he told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to use my FMLA for that, and I promptly contacted HR. We had a (phone) meeting with HR and I was instructed to provide no reason when using FMLA, which I have stuck with ever since the meeting, but since then my performance is increasingly brought up and I\u2019ve been written up for rules that only apply to my location and my job description says nothing in regards to this rule. Not to mention that I have coworkers coming to me saying that they were told by management to watch me, and managers who have to go out of their way to run reports specifically for me. Now I\u2019m not the best employee as far as attendance goes but my performance is top notch, I have my numbers to support that, however I have really tried to step it up in hopes of the harassment lessening to no avail. I have already filed a complaint with the DOL but won\u2019t have my interview with them until February and I\u2019m being pressured more and more everyday so I\u2019m becoming increasingly concerned for my job. Please note that I am desperately searching for another job to avoid this situation as a whole but I also feel like I\u2019m being forced out. Is it time to get a lawyer, or do I have other options first? In TN","c_root_id_A":"f9eosjv","c_root_id_B":"f9euio6","created_at_utc_A":1575247690,"created_at_utc_B":1575251920,"score_A":109,"score_B":173,"human_ref_A":"What does the CHCP say regarding the circumstances necessitating the leave time?","human_ref_B":"The reality is that you pissed someone (likely your boss) off, so they are going to go out of their way to find a legal way to fire you. If your boss is going to make this happen, they'll find a way. I would suggest consulting an employment attorney sooner than later. If on the off chance you feel like your HR department is trustworthy (rarely a good assumption), you can meet with them and bring up the retaliation instances that you have seen. At the very least they know the legal peril the company might be in for pursuing this, but there is also a chance they move to clean up evidence of their wrongdoing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4230.0,"score_ratio":1.5871559633} {"post_id":"e4qi1o","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My boss told me I couldn\u2019t use my FMLA, I called HR and now my performance is constantly monitored I have approved FMLA for my child who is disabled, I have had my FMLA approved for about 6 months now and I have been with the company for about two years. I was told by my head manager to text him whenever I needed to use it so that our other managers and employees wouldn\u2019t ask questions, and we have a written transaction. This was no issue the first few times I used it, until I attempted to use it when my child was sick and he told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to use my FMLA for that, and I promptly contacted HR. We had a (phone) meeting with HR and I was instructed to provide no reason when using FMLA, which I have stuck with ever since the meeting, but since then my performance is increasingly brought up and I\u2019ve been written up for rules that only apply to my location and my job description says nothing in regards to this rule. Not to mention that I have coworkers coming to me saying that they were told by management to watch me, and managers who have to go out of their way to run reports specifically for me. Now I\u2019m not the best employee as far as attendance goes but my performance is top notch, I have my numbers to support that, however I have really tried to step it up in hopes of the harassment lessening to no avail. I have already filed a complaint with the DOL but won\u2019t have my interview with them until February and I\u2019m being pressured more and more everyday so I\u2019m becoming increasingly concerned for my job. Please note that I am desperately searching for another job to avoid this situation as a whole but I also feel like I\u2019m being forced out. Is it time to get a lawyer, or do I have other options first? In TN","c_root_id_A":"f9euio6","c_root_id_B":"f9ese4b","created_at_utc_A":1575251920,"created_at_utc_B":1575250322,"score_A":173,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"The reality is that you pissed someone (likely your boss) off, so they are going to go out of their way to find a legal way to fire you. If your boss is going to make this happen, they'll find a way. I would suggest consulting an employment attorney sooner than later. If on the off chance you feel like your HR department is trustworthy (rarely a good assumption), you can meet with them and bring up the retaliation instances that you have seen. At the very least they know the legal peril the company might be in for pursuing this, but there is also a chance they move to clean up evidence of their wrongdoing.","human_ref_B":"How many times have you used FMLA in 2 years?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1598.0,"score_ratio":17.3} {"post_id":"e4qi1o","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My boss told me I couldn\u2019t use my FMLA, I called HR and now my performance is constantly monitored I have approved FMLA for my child who is disabled, I have had my FMLA approved for about 6 months now and I have been with the company for about two years. I was told by my head manager to text him whenever I needed to use it so that our other managers and employees wouldn\u2019t ask questions, and we have a written transaction. This was no issue the first few times I used it, until I attempted to use it when my child was sick and he told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to use my FMLA for that, and I promptly contacted HR. We had a (phone) meeting with HR and I was instructed to provide no reason when using FMLA, which I have stuck with ever since the meeting, but since then my performance is increasingly brought up and I\u2019ve been written up for rules that only apply to my location and my job description says nothing in regards to this rule. Not to mention that I have coworkers coming to me saying that they were told by management to watch me, and managers who have to go out of their way to run reports specifically for me. Now I\u2019m not the best employee as far as attendance goes but my performance is top notch, I have my numbers to support that, however I have really tried to step it up in hopes of the harassment lessening to no avail. I have already filed a complaint with the DOL but won\u2019t have my interview with them until February and I\u2019m being pressured more and more everyday so I\u2019m becoming increasingly concerned for my job. Please note that I am desperately searching for another job to avoid this situation as a whole but I also feel like I\u2019m being forced out. Is it time to get a lawyer, or do I have other options first? In TN","c_root_id_A":"f9ese4b","c_root_id_B":"f9evcre","created_at_utc_A":1575250322,"created_at_utc_B":1575252542,"score_A":10,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"How many times have you used FMLA in 2 years?","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer. Never talk to HR about harassment or retaliation. Always speak directly to an attorney whose first piece of advice is going to be not to speak to HR or management and the second will be document everything.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2220.0,"score_ratio":4.7} {"post_id":"e4qi1o","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My boss told me I couldn\u2019t use my FMLA, I called HR and now my performance is constantly monitored I have approved FMLA for my child who is disabled, I have had my FMLA approved for about 6 months now and I have been with the company for about two years. I was told by my head manager to text him whenever I needed to use it so that our other managers and employees wouldn\u2019t ask questions, and we have a written transaction. This was no issue the first few times I used it, until I attempted to use it when my child was sick and he told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to use my FMLA for that, and I promptly contacted HR. We had a (phone) meeting with HR and I was instructed to provide no reason when using FMLA, which I have stuck with ever since the meeting, but since then my performance is increasingly brought up and I\u2019ve been written up for rules that only apply to my location and my job description says nothing in regards to this rule. Not to mention that I have coworkers coming to me saying that they were told by management to watch me, and managers who have to go out of their way to run reports specifically for me. Now I\u2019m not the best employee as far as attendance goes but my performance is top notch, I have my numbers to support that, however I have really tried to step it up in hopes of the harassment lessening to no avail. I have already filed a complaint with the DOL but won\u2019t have my interview with them until February and I\u2019m being pressured more and more everyday so I\u2019m becoming increasingly concerned for my job. Please note that I am desperately searching for another job to avoid this situation as a whole but I also feel like I\u2019m being forced out. Is it time to get a lawyer, or do I have other options first? In TN","c_root_id_A":"f9ese4b","c_root_id_B":"f9ezl60","created_at_utc_A":1575250322,"created_at_utc_B":1575255670,"score_A":10,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"How many times have you used FMLA in 2 years?","human_ref_B":"When will everyone realize the HR dept will never, ever be on your side.....","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5348.0,"score_ratio":3.8} {"post_id":"e4qi1o","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My boss told me I couldn\u2019t use my FMLA, I called HR and now my performance is constantly monitored I have approved FMLA for my child who is disabled, I have had my FMLA approved for about 6 months now and I have been with the company for about two years. I was told by my head manager to text him whenever I needed to use it so that our other managers and employees wouldn\u2019t ask questions, and we have a written transaction. This was no issue the first few times I used it, until I attempted to use it when my child was sick and he told me that I wasn\u2019t allowed to use my FMLA for that, and I promptly contacted HR. We had a (phone) meeting with HR and I was instructed to provide no reason when using FMLA, which I have stuck with ever since the meeting, but since then my performance is increasingly brought up and I\u2019ve been written up for rules that only apply to my location and my job description says nothing in regards to this rule. Not to mention that I have coworkers coming to me saying that they were told by management to watch me, and managers who have to go out of their way to run reports specifically for me. Now I\u2019m not the best employee as far as attendance goes but my performance is top notch, I have my numbers to support that, however I have really tried to step it up in hopes of the harassment lessening to no avail. I have already filed a complaint with the DOL but won\u2019t have my interview with them until February and I\u2019m being pressured more and more everyday so I\u2019m becoming increasingly concerned for my job. Please note that I am desperately searching for another job to avoid this situation as a whole but I also feel like I\u2019m being forced out. Is it time to get a lawyer, or do I have other options first? In TN","c_root_id_A":"f9ffzr3","c_root_id_B":"f9ese4b","created_at_utc_A":1575270185,"created_at_utc_B":1575250322,"score_A":14,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, but work in HR. if you said you were using FMLA to take care of your child due to a sickness like cold or flu, then they may be correct in saying you cannot use FMLA for that, technically. FMLA must be used in this case to take care of your child's serious health condition, ie due to their disability. that being said, management are being aholes and you should get out of there.","human_ref_B":"How many times have you used FMLA in 2 years?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19863.0,"score_ratio":1.4} {"post_id":"ysta4w","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"I got married 3 years ago and just found out ou liscnses was mever processed and we aren't legally married So my husband and i got married 3 years ago. We went down to the courthouse a few weeks before the wedding and paid for our liscense. We did the wedding, signed our paperwork, and gave it to our pastor to be sent off (something in the paperwork said that the officiant had to send it off, I think). His secretary sent it off a week after the wedding and we thought it was all taken care of. We never bothered to request our liscense before now because we never needed it. We just requested it now so that I can take advantage of some of my husndands work benefits. We requested it a few weeks ago and we just got a letter back saying there was no record. My husband called the vital records office and they said they searched very thoroughly and could not find it. They said it may have been lost in the mail?. My question is are we in any legal trouble? We've been filing our taxes jointly this entire time and he is on my insurance as my spouse, which apparently he is not. I think when we got his passport, he said he was married? Our credit card has us down as married. We are working to get legally married now, but can we be prosecuted for tax fraud or insurance fraud or anything? Is everything basically a non-issue and we are over thinking this, or should we be worried?","c_root_id_A":"iw2i31w","c_root_id_B":"iw2fb8y","created_at_utc_A":1668259480,"created_at_utc_B":1668257781,"score_A":8,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You presented yourself as married and had a religious ceremony, so the IRS isn't going to be an issue about your taxes. There was no fraud here, and especially no intent to misrepresent anything","human_ref_B":"Doesn\u2019t the church have a record of the marriage?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1699.0,"score_ratio":4.0} {"post_id":"ysta4w","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.75,"history":"I got married 3 years ago and just found out ou liscnses was mever processed and we aren't legally married So my husband and i got married 3 years ago. We went down to the courthouse a few weeks before the wedding and paid for our liscense. We did the wedding, signed our paperwork, and gave it to our pastor to be sent off (something in the paperwork said that the officiant had to send it off, I think). His secretary sent it off a week after the wedding and we thought it was all taken care of. We never bothered to request our liscense before now because we never needed it. We just requested it now so that I can take advantage of some of my husndands work benefits. We requested it a few weeks ago and we just got a letter back saying there was no record. My husband called the vital records office and they said they searched very thoroughly and could not find it. They said it may have been lost in the mail?. My question is are we in any legal trouble? We've been filing our taxes jointly this entire time and he is on my insurance as my spouse, which apparently he is not. I think when we got his passport, he said he was married? Our credit card has us down as married. We are working to get legally married now, but can we be prosecuted for tax fraud or insurance fraud or anything? Is everything basically a non-issue and we are over thinking this, or should we be worried?","c_root_id_A":"iw2p1m5","c_root_id_B":"iw2fb8y","created_at_utc_A":1668263239,"created_at_utc_B":1668257781,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"No fraud and probably the documents can be signed with the correct date as of the date you originally got married. Perhaps your pastor knows an attorney who would do this for free. Might not need an attorney though. Vital records and your pastor should be helpful.","human_ref_B":"Doesn\u2019t the church have a record of the marriage?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5458.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"swjl5c","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Accidentally sent money to previous landlord, and now he's refusing to give it back I accidentally sent my old landlord from 5 months ago rent money that I intended for my current landlord via venmo. I promptly asked him to return the money since I did not intend it to be for him. He flat out refused and claimed that I and my previous room mates owe him money for damages to the house and back rent from when we lived there. This was the first time I was hearing about this, and he hadn't mentioned anything about it at all since I moved out. Seemed quite sketchy and sleezey since he literally didn't mention it beforehand I'm not sure if these claims are substantiated, I asked for him to send me a list of the damages and what I owed him so I could review them, but in the meantime I told him that I don't consent to him keeping the money I accidentally sent him, as I need it to pay this month's rent to my other landlord. Is he allowed to do this? Does it matter if his claims are valid? I'm not trying to avoid financial responsibility if I do indeed owe him money, just seems odd that I accidentally send him money, then he makes a claim that there's damages when he's had months to tell me about them.","c_root_id_A":"hxmfssp","c_root_id_B":"hxnfdtw","created_at_utc_A":1645304359,"created_at_utc_B":1645320771,"score_A":524,"score_B":1170,"human_ref_A":"You gave cash to someone. Cross your fingers. https:\/\/help.venmo.com\/hc\/en-us\/articles\/209681208-I-paid-the-wrong-person-","human_ref_B":"Take him to small claims court ASAP. As other people have said, never use Venmo for major transactions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16412.0,"score_ratio":2.2328244275} {"post_id":"swjl5c","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Accidentally sent money to previous landlord, and now he's refusing to give it back I accidentally sent my old landlord from 5 months ago rent money that I intended for my current landlord via venmo. I promptly asked him to return the money since I did not intend it to be for him. He flat out refused and claimed that I and my previous room mates owe him money for damages to the house and back rent from when we lived there. This was the first time I was hearing about this, and he hadn't mentioned anything about it at all since I moved out. Seemed quite sketchy and sleezey since he literally didn't mention it beforehand I'm not sure if these claims are substantiated, I asked for him to send me a list of the damages and what I owed him so I could review them, but in the meantime I told him that I don't consent to him keeping the money I accidentally sent him, as I need it to pay this month's rent to my other landlord. Is he allowed to do this? Does it matter if his claims are valid? I'm not trying to avoid financial responsibility if I do indeed owe him money, just seems odd that I accidentally send him money, then he makes a claim that there's damages when he's had months to tell me about them.","c_root_id_A":"hxmu2zx","c_root_id_B":"hxnfdtw","created_at_utc_A":1645310682,"created_at_utc_B":1645320771,"score_A":94,"score_B":1170,"human_ref_A":"You can get your money back through small claims court but that will take some time","human_ref_B":"Take him to small claims court ASAP. As other people have said, never use Venmo for major transactions.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10089.0,"score_ratio":12.4468085106} {"post_id":"swjl5c","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Accidentally sent money to previous landlord, and now he's refusing to give it back I accidentally sent my old landlord from 5 months ago rent money that I intended for my current landlord via venmo. I promptly asked him to return the money since I did not intend it to be for him. He flat out refused and claimed that I and my previous room mates owe him money for damages to the house and back rent from when we lived there. This was the first time I was hearing about this, and he hadn't mentioned anything about it at all since I moved out. Seemed quite sketchy and sleezey since he literally didn't mention it beforehand I'm not sure if these claims are substantiated, I asked for him to send me a list of the damages and what I owed him so I could review them, but in the meantime I told him that I don't consent to him keeping the money I accidentally sent him, as I need it to pay this month's rent to my other landlord. Is he allowed to do this? Does it matter if his claims are valid? I'm not trying to avoid financial responsibility if I do indeed owe him money, just seems odd that I accidentally send him money, then he makes a claim that there's damages when he's had months to tell me about them.","c_root_id_A":"hxng47i","c_root_id_B":"hxnftsi","created_at_utc_A":1645321131,"created_at_utc_B":1645320987,"score_A":91,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"This is what small claim courts are for. Sue him in small claim court.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer. A bunch of advice (\u201cthere\u2019s nothing you can do\u201d) you are getting is simply bad advice. You mention this occurred across state lines, you can double check, but you\u2019ll probably have to take action in the state the landlord lives in. Contact his city courthouse and start looking into a Smalls claim. That\u2019s your starting point they\u2019ll be able to help you from there. The fees are usually pretty cheap as well but once this hits the legal system it will probably be easier for landlord to settle and send your money back.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":144.0,"score_ratio":3.3703703704} {"post_id":"swjl5c","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Accidentally sent money to previous landlord, and now he's refusing to give it back I accidentally sent my old landlord from 5 months ago rent money that I intended for my current landlord via venmo. I promptly asked him to return the money since I did not intend it to be for him. He flat out refused and claimed that I and my previous room mates owe him money for damages to the house and back rent from when we lived there. This was the first time I was hearing about this, and he hadn't mentioned anything about it at all since I moved out. Seemed quite sketchy and sleezey since he literally didn't mention it beforehand I'm not sure if these claims are substantiated, I asked for him to send me a list of the damages and what I owed him so I could review them, but in the meantime I told him that I don't consent to him keeping the money I accidentally sent him, as I need it to pay this month's rent to my other landlord. Is he allowed to do this? Does it matter if his claims are valid? I'm not trying to avoid financial responsibility if I do indeed owe him money, just seems odd that I accidentally send him money, then he makes a claim that there's damages when he's had months to tell me about them.","c_root_id_A":"hxnftsi","c_root_id_B":"hxnm37i","created_at_utc_A":1645320987,"created_at_utc_B":1645324093,"score_A":27,"score_B":55,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. A bunch of advice (\u201cthere\u2019s nothing you can do\u201d) you are getting is simply bad advice. You mention this occurred across state lines, you can double check, but you\u2019ll probably have to take action in the state the landlord lives in. Contact his city courthouse and start looking into a Smalls claim. That\u2019s your starting point they\u2019ll be able to help you from there. The fees are usually pretty cheap as well but once this hits the legal system it will probably be easier for landlord to settle and send your money back.","human_ref_B":"Venmo's dispute process is not your only option. Take him to small claims court if he won't return it and venmo won't undo the transfer. Just walk in to the courthouse and ask, there's often an office there that will help you file. Print out screenshots of the Venmo charge, your conversations with him (if in text), your bank account statement showing the withdrawal. No he can't legally keep money that was clearly sent in error. If he wants to convince a judge that you owed him that money, let him try but he needs actual evidence, which is doubtful he has.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3106.0,"score_ratio":2.037037037} {"post_id":"4snc1h","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"(NY) [One party consent] Friend wont return my money, told me on the phone no judge will believe me, the call was recorded from my side but I didn't know that at the time. I have a question. Backstory: I had posted a question a couple of weeks ago on here about a friend owing me $1000 that he took, promised he would return it not later than a specific date but never did. We only had a verbal agreement at the time and I have no proof of giving the money. Anyway so I call my friend on my house phone asking him about the money and he goes like \"I'm sorry I wont give it back\" so I tell him if that if he doesn't I'll have to sue you in court since he promised me to give it back on the 1st of April and so he goes like \"no judge will believe you since you got no proof of giving me the money\". Now two days later I learn from my cousin, after I tell her about my friend, that she had installed something on our house phone that records all conversations for the past 7 days. We managed to get the call and it's pretty clear how he's just admitting to the fact that he took the money, on the promise to return it back, but now he wont since I don't have any proof. Note that I only knew about the call being recorded after talking to my cousin which was after taking to my friend and not before. I feel this might be a problem since I didn't know the call was being recorded at the time since we are in a one party consent state and one caller has to at least know about that. My question is, can I use this as a proof in small claim court since the only one knows about me not knowing that the call was being recorded at me is me and only me? there is no way someone might be able to prove otherwise. I'm not trying to break any laws here I'm just trying to get my money back.","c_root_id_A":"d5ayjhs","c_root_id_B":"d5azb7x","created_at_utc_A":1468437003,"created_at_utc_B":1468437997,"score_A":7,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Actually judges DO believe you if its your word against his. probably more than half of small claims courts are one person's word against the other person. The judge decides who is more trustworthy and makes a judgment. He only decides which side is more likely to be telling the truth - its not like its 'beyond a reasonable doubt' - just a preponderance of the evidence. If he thinks its 51% likely you are telling the truth he will award you the $1000.","human_ref_B":"Well, let me ask you this. Can anyone prove that you didn't know this call was being recorded at the time? If not, submit it and shut your mouth about it. It's unlikely that the judge will specifically ask you if you knew. If she does, say something truthful, like \"I knew my cousin was recording the phones.\" True, but unspecific.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":994.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286} {"post_id":"xavtk0","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Is there anything I can do if I think my grandmother is being abused? My grandmother is 87, she lived with my mom for 5 years because she has dementia and can\u2019t live alone after my grandpa died. My mom took care of everything, did her hair, nails and maintained her physical appearance, gave her good meals took her on trips. She made her feel great. My uncles were no help through that whole time never even called, then all of a sudden my one uncle demanded to take her to live in their two bedroom apartment with his wife. He said he missed her and needed time with her. My grandma didn\u2019t mind and missed him too, she wanted to spend time with her son so she went. A few months later my mom went to visit and he was hesitant to have my mom come in but he did. My grandmother was looking horrible, her spirit was broken, she was missing two teeth hair matted under a hat and nails very long on both her hands and feet. My mom told him she would take her a few times a month and do her hair and nails for him, he said okay. Two years laters after years of trying to visit and them never being available, my uncle and grandma came to visit so my uncle could get paperwork from my mom to take out a loan from my grandma\u2019s account which he says he\u2019s using to help her. He said my grandma made him the head of her finances instead of my mom and he wants control of everything. My mom didn\u2019t want to fight so she gave him the papers. During the visit we were all vaccinated but her refused to take her mask off even though she wanted to. Ok fine. Finally my grandma took the mask off and her teeth were still missing, he said he was going to get them fixed but he didn\u2019t. He still hasn\u2019t brought her to get her nails or hair done, he lost her fake teeth so she has none. My grandma has a full on beard and hasn\u2019t showered. All while he\u2019s driving around in a new Mercedes and apparently on disability. I\u2019m very concerned about my grandma and knowing how irresponsible my uncle is I\u2019m afraid him and his wife are using her, and maybe even abusing her (my uncle has abused his wife before and went to jail for a few days) my uncle I think is keeping her in the house all the time and is using Covid and saying she can\u2019t go out even for a walk. My mom and I can tell in my grandmas eyes she is miserable but also loves her son so doesn\u2019t want to tell him she wants to leave. Is there anything I can do legally?","c_root_id_A":"invv1mm","c_root_id_B":"invxnyv","created_at_utc_A":1662833673,"created_at_utc_B":1662834681,"score_A":21,"score_B":40,"human_ref_A":"Call the elder abuse hotline right away! You can also call the police for a welfare check if you think she's being harmed.","human_ref_B":"Call Adult Protective Services (may have a different name in your city\/state) - they take these reports very seriously, I would also talk to a lawyer. APS works with the police as well, if needed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1008.0,"score_ratio":1.9047619048} {"post_id":"xavtk0","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Is there anything I can do if I think my grandmother is being abused? My grandmother is 87, she lived with my mom for 5 years because she has dementia and can\u2019t live alone after my grandpa died. My mom took care of everything, did her hair, nails and maintained her physical appearance, gave her good meals took her on trips. She made her feel great. My uncles were no help through that whole time never even called, then all of a sudden my one uncle demanded to take her to live in their two bedroom apartment with his wife. He said he missed her and needed time with her. My grandma didn\u2019t mind and missed him too, she wanted to spend time with her son so she went. A few months later my mom went to visit and he was hesitant to have my mom come in but he did. My grandmother was looking horrible, her spirit was broken, she was missing two teeth hair matted under a hat and nails very long on both her hands and feet. My mom told him she would take her a few times a month and do her hair and nails for him, he said okay. Two years laters after years of trying to visit and them never being available, my uncle and grandma came to visit so my uncle could get paperwork from my mom to take out a loan from my grandma\u2019s account which he says he\u2019s using to help her. He said my grandma made him the head of her finances instead of my mom and he wants control of everything. My mom didn\u2019t want to fight so she gave him the papers. During the visit we were all vaccinated but her refused to take her mask off even though she wanted to. Ok fine. Finally my grandma took the mask off and her teeth were still missing, he said he was going to get them fixed but he didn\u2019t. He still hasn\u2019t brought her to get her nails or hair done, he lost her fake teeth so she has none. My grandma has a full on beard and hasn\u2019t showered. All while he\u2019s driving around in a new Mercedes and apparently on disability. I\u2019m very concerned about my grandma and knowing how irresponsible my uncle is I\u2019m afraid him and his wife are using her, and maybe even abusing her (my uncle has abused his wife before and went to jail for a few days) my uncle I think is keeping her in the house all the time and is using Covid and saying she can\u2019t go out even for a walk. My mom and I can tell in my grandmas eyes she is miserable but also loves her son so doesn\u2019t want to tell him she wants to leave. Is there anything I can do legally?","c_root_id_A":"invv1mm","c_root_id_B":"inxkl9f","created_at_utc_A":1662833673,"created_at_utc_B":1662860029,"score_A":21,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"Call the elder abuse hotline right away! You can also call the police for a welfare check if you think she's being harmed.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer but was an APS investigator for 8 years. Please make a report to the APS in your state. I hate to say this, but this a common case. There are at least two issues that I see. Financial exploitation and physical neglect. The isolation is a huge red flag in abuse situations. It's one of the first signs that we look for. You can make a report anonymously but in general, your name is kept confidential and we take that very serioiusly. What happens next is that the case will be routed and the investigation will begin. They will show up and see everything for themselves. And since the allegation is financial exploitation, they should look at the bank records and go through them. If they validate, they can offer services and help the family. That could be everything from assigning a represenititve payee for her funds to removal to a safe environment. There's actually a lot that they can do. But it hinges on if the client is willing or not. If your grandmother is not able make decisions, they can take steps on that as well. That's the nuts and bolts of it and I hope this helps clarify the process.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":26356.0,"score_ratio":1.5238095238} {"post_id":"xavtk0","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Is there anything I can do if I think my grandmother is being abused? My grandmother is 87, she lived with my mom for 5 years because she has dementia and can\u2019t live alone after my grandpa died. My mom took care of everything, did her hair, nails and maintained her physical appearance, gave her good meals took her on trips. She made her feel great. My uncles were no help through that whole time never even called, then all of a sudden my one uncle demanded to take her to live in their two bedroom apartment with his wife. He said he missed her and needed time with her. My grandma didn\u2019t mind and missed him too, she wanted to spend time with her son so she went. A few months later my mom went to visit and he was hesitant to have my mom come in but he did. My grandmother was looking horrible, her spirit was broken, she was missing two teeth hair matted under a hat and nails very long on both her hands and feet. My mom told him she would take her a few times a month and do her hair and nails for him, he said okay. Two years laters after years of trying to visit and them never being available, my uncle and grandma came to visit so my uncle could get paperwork from my mom to take out a loan from my grandma\u2019s account which he says he\u2019s using to help her. He said my grandma made him the head of her finances instead of my mom and he wants control of everything. My mom didn\u2019t want to fight so she gave him the papers. During the visit we were all vaccinated but her refused to take her mask off even though she wanted to. Ok fine. Finally my grandma took the mask off and her teeth were still missing, he said he was going to get them fixed but he didn\u2019t. He still hasn\u2019t brought her to get her nails or hair done, he lost her fake teeth so she has none. My grandma has a full on beard and hasn\u2019t showered. All while he\u2019s driving around in a new Mercedes and apparently on disability. I\u2019m very concerned about my grandma and knowing how irresponsible my uncle is I\u2019m afraid him and his wife are using her, and maybe even abusing her (my uncle has abused his wife before and went to jail for a few days) my uncle I think is keeping her in the house all the time and is using Covid and saying she can\u2019t go out even for a walk. My mom and I can tell in my grandmas eyes she is miserable but also loves her son so doesn\u2019t want to tell him she wants to leave. Is there anything I can do legally?","c_root_id_A":"inwc5q8","c_root_id_B":"inxkl9f","created_at_utc_A":1662840487,"created_at_utc_B":1662860029,"score_A":12,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"Call the authorities. It would depend on the state who those are but it sounds like what would be not only neglect but embezzlement from a vulnerable adult in my state.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer but was an APS investigator for 8 years. Please make a report to the APS in your state. I hate to say this, but this a common case. There are at least two issues that I see. Financial exploitation and physical neglect. The isolation is a huge red flag in abuse situations. It's one of the first signs that we look for. You can make a report anonymously but in general, your name is kept confidential and we take that very serioiusly. What happens next is that the case will be routed and the investigation will begin. They will show up and see everything for themselves. And since the allegation is financial exploitation, they should look at the bank records and go through them. If they validate, they can offer services and help the family. That could be everything from assigning a represenititve payee for her funds to removal to a safe environment. There's actually a lot that they can do. But it hinges on if the client is willing or not. If your grandmother is not able make decisions, they can take steps on that as well. That's the nuts and bolts of it and I hope this helps clarify the process.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19542.0,"score_ratio":2.6666666667} {"post_id":"76cw61","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"[FL] My mom passed away and I'm the executor of the will.....my meth addict brother is now staying in her house and selling her things This might be asking for more than this sub can give me....but I'm just a little lost about what I can do. I am 21 years old, in college, and broke. I have a probate lawyer that one of my other brothers is helping me pay for. He lives in another state and his job prevents him from being more involved in this situation. My mom passed away a few months ago, she left a will that was largely unhelpful, and everything is going to have to go through probate. Everything in her house, all of her personal belongings, however, were left explicitly to me. My meth addict brother has now decided he can take advantage of the empty house while I'm living several counties away. I've been told by neighbors that he's selling things from the house and I'm sure he's virtually destroying the house. I called the nonemergency police line for that country and after an officer stopped by they told me there was nothing they could do while it's going through probate because he was her son and it's a civil matter. The officer told me that my lawyer should be able to issue some kind of \"emergency order\" and they would be able to remove anyone from the house following that....but I spoke to my lawyer and they tell me that there's nothing that they can do. At best I'll need a second lawyer in order to try to evict him or get an injunction. I'm scared for my safety should I try to go to the house personally, and I just don't know what to do from here. I don't even know what kind of lawyer I would need to help me with this. I'm just so stressed and honestly just hoping he gets arrested again so he stops violating my poor, dead mom's house. I'm sorry if this is convoluted and uninformative, I'm honestly just a little distraught. Thank you.","c_root_id_A":"dodocea","c_root_id_B":"dodevx6","created_at_utc_A":1508028841,"created_at_utc_B":1508016361,"score_A":8,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"You need to get over there ASAP - as others have suggested, bring friends, request a police escort, etc. As execut[or\/rix], it is both your right and responsibility to secure the property of the estate. Take away and make a rough inventory of anything and everything valuable that you are able to. Inventory also, as precisely as you can, whatever items you cannot take with you. You should learn as much as you can about your brother's legal situation. If your brother is out on either parole or bail, make the party immediately responsible for overseeing the terms aware that he is trespassing and stealing from his deceased mother's estate. The local police will care if there is a warrant out for his arrest. To be honest, your probate lawyer sounds somewhat less helpful than should be expected. [S]he should be able to suggest strategies to safeguard estate property. This can't be the first time [s]he has encountered a similar situation. Once you have gone over to the house and assessed what he has stolen\/what he has yet to steal\/what you can remove\/what you cannot remove, then you can make a better judgment about whether hiring a second attorney to pursue an injunction is in your interest and, most importantly, the interest of the estate. Keep in mind that if you cannot get him sent back to jail, and, possibly, even if you are so able, you will need to either evict him formally or pay him off to leave.","human_ref_B":"Do a walk through and make a lists of the items in the house. Start eviction immediately. Whatever is stolen, you will have to sue for the value.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12480.0,"score_ratio":1.6} {"post_id":"wghpdt","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Previous roommate skipped out while behind on two months rent. Now he claims to have $5000 cash in hand for a new place. Can I take him to small claims court? Hi, my previous roommate has bailed after becoming two months late on his portion of rent. I obviously covered the remaining portion of the rent for the two months he missed. He just posted on Facebook seeking a new place with a supposed budget of $1400 a month with $5000 cash in hand for the first couple months and deposit. Our rent was $375 each plus half of utilities each. There is not a lease due to renting from my family. Would I be justified taking him to small claims court for the amount he owes me?","c_root_id_A":"ij0tlau","c_root_id_B":"ij1yk2e","created_at_utc_A":1659681171,"created_at_utc_B":1659707775,"score_A":3,"score_B":40,"human_ref_A":"Yes. You can definitely take this matter to the small claims court","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m an attorney in Iowa. I do landlord\/tenant law. I am not your attorney. This would be a case you could 100% take to court and I think you could do so without an attorney provided you had adequate documentation\/record if your agreement. It does not matter whether or not your old roommate had the ability to pay, what matters is that your old roommate AGREED to something and didn\u2019t follow through. The biggest question would be about how you would collect a judgment, should one be imposed since your state doesn\u2019t allow garnishment. Another thing to be cognizant of is that you can only sue for damages that are \u201cowing\u201d, meaning you can only take the roommate to court for months that he has already missed and not future months. The future months would require another action once the damages accrued. Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":26604.0,"score_ratio":13.3333333333} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"inscaeh","c_root_id_B":"insnbud","created_at_utc_A":1662763512,"created_at_utc_B":1662768690,"score_A":136,"score_B":1455,"human_ref_A":"How old are you? What state?","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, former social worker You might first see if the parents are willing to sign a temporary guardianship document, which you need to enroll the child in school, take him to doctors appointments etc. It doesn\u2019t need to mention any kind of financial support. This will help you in the immediate term, in case you need to make medical decisions for your brother, and should help you demonstrate that your brother has been in your care and solely your care since X date when, if ever, this goes before family court for child support. If the brother is in aftercare, sign the pick up log every day. You may need those records one day.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5178.0,"score_ratio":10.6985294118} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"inslgnd","c_root_id_B":"insnbud","created_at_utc_A":1662767798,"created_at_utc_B":1662768690,"score_A":15,"score_B":1455,"human_ref_A":"You most likely need to go to a lawyer who specializes in family issues. It doesn\u2019t sound like any kind of written custody agreement has ever been signed, and that should be done ASAP.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, former social worker You might first see if the parents are willing to sign a temporary guardianship document, which you need to enroll the child in school, take him to doctors appointments etc. It doesn\u2019t need to mention any kind of financial support. This will help you in the immediate term, in case you need to make medical decisions for your brother, and should help you demonstrate that your brother has been in your care and solely your care since X date when, if ever, this goes before family court for child support. If the brother is in aftercare, sign the pick up log every day. You may need those records one day.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":892.0,"score_ratio":97.0} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"insoqb5","c_root_id_B":"inso9cl","created_at_utc_A":1662769371,"created_at_utc_B":1662769145,"score_A":691,"score_B":233,"human_ref_A":"If your mother is getting cash aid or food stamps for him. Contact your local health and human services office aka welfare office. Let them know you have him and she gets help for him but gives you none at all.","human_ref_B":"Was the CPS caseworker able to give you any resources for how to navigate this? If they\u2019ve closed their case they probably should have referred you to \u201cfamily services\u201d which is an ongoing caseworker to help you navigate things like this for a few months. As another comment stated there\u2019s a whole pile of places that can help you out. Don\u2019t mention the money at all(ETA: to his mother or any other family), make it seem like it\u2019s all just legal stuff so you can get him into school etc, and then when everything is lined up and they redirect the money to you, pretend you had no idea it was coming. It\u2019s the only way. Also block these people until they\u2019re healthy humans to be around. Good on you for taking him in you\u2019re probably saving him from a real dark future.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":226.0,"score_ratio":2.9656652361} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"insoqb5","c_root_id_B":"inscaeh","created_at_utc_A":1662769371,"created_at_utc_B":1662763512,"score_A":691,"score_B":136,"human_ref_A":"If your mother is getting cash aid or food stamps for him. Contact your local health and human services office aka welfare office. Let them know you have him and she gets help for him but gives you none at all.","human_ref_B":"How old are you? What state?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5859.0,"score_ratio":5.0808823529} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"insoqb5","c_root_id_B":"inslgnd","created_at_utc_A":1662769371,"created_at_utc_B":1662767798,"score_A":691,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"If your mother is getting cash aid or food stamps for him. Contact your local health and human services office aka welfare office. Let them know you have him and she gets help for him but gives you none at all.","human_ref_B":"You most likely need to go to a lawyer who specializes in family issues. It doesn\u2019t sound like any kind of written custody agreement has ever been signed, and that should be done ASAP.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1573.0,"score_ratio":46.0666666667} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"inscaeh","c_root_id_B":"inso9cl","created_at_utc_A":1662763512,"created_at_utc_B":1662769145,"score_A":136,"score_B":233,"human_ref_A":"How old are you? What state?","human_ref_B":"Was the CPS caseworker able to give you any resources for how to navigate this? If they\u2019ve closed their case they probably should have referred you to \u201cfamily services\u201d which is an ongoing caseworker to help you navigate things like this for a few months. As another comment stated there\u2019s a whole pile of places that can help you out. Don\u2019t mention the money at all(ETA: to his mother or any other family), make it seem like it\u2019s all just legal stuff so you can get him into school etc, and then when everything is lined up and they redirect the money to you, pretend you had no idea it was coming. It\u2019s the only way. Also block these people until they\u2019re healthy humans to be around. Good on you for taking him in you\u2019re probably saving him from a real dark future.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5633.0,"score_ratio":1.7132352941} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"inso9cl","c_root_id_B":"inslgnd","created_at_utc_A":1662769145,"created_at_utc_B":1662767798,"score_A":233,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Was the CPS caseworker able to give you any resources for how to navigate this? If they\u2019ve closed their case they probably should have referred you to \u201cfamily services\u201d which is an ongoing caseworker to help you navigate things like this for a few months. As another comment stated there\u2019s a whole pile of places that can help you out. Don\u2019t mention the money at all(ETA: to his mother or any other family), make it seem like it\u2019s all just legal stuff so you can get him into school etc, and then when everything is lined up and they redirect the money to you, pretend you had no idea it was coming. It\u2019s the only way. Also block these people until they\u2019re healthy humans to be around. Good on you for taking him in you\u2019re probably saving him from a real dark future.","human_ref_B":"You most likely need to go to a lawyer who specializes in family issues. It doesn\u2019t sound like any kind of written custody agreement has ever been signed, and that should be done ASAP.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1347.0,"score_ratio":15.5333333333} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"int53js","c_root_id_B":"int84eb","created_at_utc_A":1662777366,"created_at_utc_B":1662778916,"score_A":55,"score_B":73,"human_ref_A":"Lawyer, not your lawyer. Guardianship ASAP. POA can only go so far. Check out legal aid. Lean on them more than the social workers for legal advice, but lean on social workers for any potential grants or benefits available. If Legal Aid can\u2019t petition directly for you, check out NJ\u2019s self help forms and that should guide you through it. They\u2019re usually on your state\u2019s Supreme Court self help site.","human_ref_B":"Contact CPS. Talk to them about HOW they closed the case. They can\u2019t just say \u201cok he lives with you now. Bye\u201d without proper court orders to do so. So either A you have temporary placement or B you have been given permanent custody. Both of which entitles you to some sort of financial help. If you are his temporary guardian you can receive kinship benefits. If you now have custody you can file for child support. You don\u2019t really need to spend money on a lawyer for child support. It\u2019s a straightforward calculation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1550.0,"score_ratio":1.3272727273} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"int84eb","c_root_id_B":"int3duu","created_at_utc_A":1662778916,"created_at_utc_B":1662776508,"score_A":73,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Contact CPS. Talk to them about HOW they closed the case. They can\u2019t just say \u201cok he lives with you now. Bye\u201d without proper court orders to do so. So either A you have temporary placement or B you have been given permanent custody. Both of which entitles you to some sort of financial help. If you are his temporary guardian you can receive kinship benefits. If you now have custody you can file for child support. You don\u2019t really need to spend money on a lawyer for child support. It\u2019s a straightforward calculation.","human_ref_B":"Legal Aid in your state should be able to help you file the paperwork needed to petition for child support. Also, if you can get any welfare benefits for him the office can help you file for child support.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2408.0,"score_ratio":5.2142857143} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"inslgnd","c_root_id_B":"int84eb","created_at_utc_A":1662767798,"created_at_utc_B":1662778916,"score_A":15,"score_B":73,"human_ref_A":"You most likely need to go to a lawyer who specializes in family issues. It doesn\u2019t sound like any kind of written custody agreement has ever been signed, and that should be done ASAP.","human_ref_B":"Contact CPS. Talk to them about HOW they closed the case. They can\u2019t just say \u201cok he lives with you now. Bye\u201d without proper court orders to do so. So either A you have temporary placement or B you have been given permanent custody. Both of which entitles you to some sort of financial help. If you are his temporary guardian you can receive kinship benefits. If you now have custody you can file for child support. You don\u2019t really need to spend money on a lawyer for child support. It\u2019s a straightforward calculation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11118.0,"score_ratio":4.8666666667} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"int3duu","c_root_id_B":"int53js","created_at_utc_A":1662776508,"created_at_utc_B":1662777366,"score_A":14,"score_B":55,"human_ref_A":"Legal Aid in your state should be able to help you file the paperwork needed to petition for child support. Also, if you can get any welfare benefits for him the office can help you file for child support.","human_ref_B":"Lawyer, not your lawyer. Guardianship ASAP. POA can only go so far. Check out legal aid. Lean on them more than the social workers for legal advice, but lean on social workers for any potential grants or benefits available. If Legal Aid can\u2019t petition directly for you, check out NJ\u2019s self help forms and that should guide you through it. They\u2019re usually on your state\u2019s Supreme Court self help site.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":858.0,"score_ratio":3.9285714286} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"inslgnd","c_root_id_B":"int53js","created_at_utc_A":1662767798,"created_at_utc_B":1662777366,"score_A":15,"score_B":55,"human_ref_A":"You most likely need to go to a lawyer who specializes in family issues. It doesn\u2019t sound like any kind of written custody agreement has ever been signed, and that should be done ASAP.","human_ref_B":"Lawyer, not your lawyer. Guardianship ASAP. POA can only go so far. Check out legal aid. Lean on them more than the social workers for legal advice, but lean on social workers for any potential grants or benefits available. If Legal Aid can\u2019t petition directly for you, check out NJ\u2019s self help forms and that should guide you through it. They\u2019re usually on your state\u2019s Supreme Court self help site.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9568.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"intjkkf","c_root_id_B":"int3duu","created_at_utc_A":1662785479,"created_at_utc_B":1662776508,"score_A":22,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I had a very similar situation with my sister in law, there was an agency that represented the child (and just the child) for free and helped immensely in getting everything sorted out. Legal Advocates for Children and Youth https:\/\/www.lawfoundation.org\/ If you can find something similar around you, the lawyers were top notch, donating their time from big firms.","human_ref_B":"Legal Aid in your state should be able to help you file the paperwork needed to petition for child support. Also, if you can get any welfare benefits for him the office can help you file for child support.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8971.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"inslgnd","c_root_id_B":"intjkkf","created_at_utc_A":1662767798,"created_at_utc_B":1662785479,"score_A":15,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"You most likely need to go to a lawyer who specializes in family issues. It doesn\u2019t sound like any kind of written custody agreement has ever been signed, and that should be done ASAP.","human_ref_B":"I had a very similar situation with my sister in law, there was an agency that represented the child (and just the child) for free and helped immensely in getting everything sorted out. Legal Advocates for Children and Youth https:\/\/www.lawfoundation.org\/ If you can find something similar around you, the lawyers were top notch, donating their time from big firms.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17681.0,"score_ratio":1.4666666667} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"intjkkf","c_root_id_B":"intb0dn","created_at_utc_A":1662785479,"created_at_utc_B":1662780450,"score_A":22,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I had a very similar situation with my sister in law, there was an agency that represented the child (and just the child) for free and helped immensely in getting everything sorted out. Legal Advocates for Children and Youth https:\/\/www.lawfoundation.org\/ If you can find something similar around you, the lawyers were top notch, donating their time from big firms.","human_ref_B":"If you have court ordered guardianship, you may be eligible for Kinship care under TANF.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5029.0,"score_ratio":1.8333333333} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"intjkkf","c_root_id_B":"int8we4","created_at_utc_A":1662785479,"created_at_utc_B":1662779322,"score_A":22,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I had a very similar situation with my sister in law, there was an agency that represented the child (and just the child) for free and helped immensely in getting everything sorted out. Legal Advocates for Children and Youth https:\/\/www.lawfoundation.org\/ If you can find something similar around you, the lawyers were top notch, donating their time from big firms.","human_ref_B":"File for custody. They don't fight it, you get it. Then file for (retroactive) child support.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6157.0,"score_ratio":7.3333333333} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"intxbrl","c_root_id_B":"int3duu","created_at_utc_A":1662795838,"created_at_utc_B":1662776508,"score_A":17,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"More important than the money, you need to go to court to get legal guardianship. You'll need that for things like school, doctors appointments, getting government paperwork (vital records, driver's license, etc) and anything else he legally needs a parent for. Usually this would be done in probate court. An attorney may be helpful, though you can always file on your own. Usually there are relatively simple forms to fill out. Once you have that, then you can consider child support. Most courts have someone to assist the person taking care of a child with filing for child support, though if you used an attorney for guardianship, they may be able to continue into getting child support.","human_ref_B":"Legal Aid in your state should be able to help you file the paperwork needed to petition for child support. Also, if you can get any welfare benefits for him the office can help you file for child support.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19330.0,"score_ratio":1.2142857143} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"inslgnd","c_root_id_B":"intxbrl","created_at_utc_A":1662767798,"created_at_utc_B":1662795838,"score_A":15,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"You most likely need to go to a lawyer who specializes in family issues. It doesn\u2019t sound like any kind of written custody agreement has ever been signed, and that should be done ASAP.","human_ref_B":"More important than the money, you need to go to court to get legal guardianship. You'll need that for things like school, doctors appointments, getting government paperwork (vital records, driver's license, etc) and anything else he legally needs a parent for. Usually this would be done in probate court. An attorney may be helpful, though you can always file on your own. Usually there are relatively simple forms to fill out. Once you have that, then you can consider child support. Most courts have someone to assist the person taking care of a child with filing for child support, though if you used an attorney for guardianship, they may be able to continue into getting child support.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":28040.0,"score_ratio":1.1333333333} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"intwlet","c_root_id_B":"intxbrl","created_at_utc_A":1662795221,"created_at_utc_B":1662795838,"score_A":13,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"One point - The reason the father is not paying you the child support is because the court order presumably orders him to pay the mother. While morally wrong he is correct legally to continue to do so.","human_ref_B":"More important than the money, you need to go to court to get legal guardianship. You'll need that for things like school, doctors appointments, getting government paperwork (vital records, driver's license, etc) and anything else he legally needs a parent for. Usually this would be done in probate court. An attorney may be helpful, though you can always file on your own. Usually there are relatively simple forms to fill out. Once you have that, then you can consider child support. Most courts have someone to assist the person taking care of a child with filing for child support, though if you used an attorney for guardianship, they may be able to continue into getting child support.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":617.0,"score_ratio":1.3076923077} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"intb0dn","c_root_id_B":"intxbrl","created_at_utc_A":1662780450,"created_at_utc_B":1662795838,"score_A":12,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"If you have court ordered guardianship, you may be eligible for Kinship care under TANF.","human_ref_B":"More important than the money, you need to go to court to get legal guardianship. You'll need that for things like school, doctors appointments, getting government paperwork (vital records, driver's license, etc) and anything else he legally needs a parent for. Usually this would be done in probate court. An attorney may be helpful, though you can always file on your own. Usually there are relatively simple forms to fill out. Once you have that, then you can consider child support. Most courts have someone to assist the person taking care of a child with filing for child support, though if you used an attorney for guardianship, they may be able to continue into getting child support.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15388.0,"score_ratio":1.4166666667} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"intxbrl","c_root_id_B":"int8we4","created_at_utc_A":1662795838,"created_at_utc_B":1662779322,"score_A":17,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"More important than the money, you need to go to court to get legal guardianship. You'll need that for things like school, doctors appointments, getting government paperwork (vital records, driver's license, etc) and anything else he legally needs a parent for. Usually this would be done in probate court. An attorney may be helpful, though you can always file on your own. Usually there are relatively simple forms to fill out. Once you have that, then you can consider child support. Most courts have someone to assist the person taking care of a child with filing for child support, though if you used an attorney for guardianship, they may be able to continue into getting child support.","human_ref_B":"File for custody. They don't fight it, you get it. Then file for (retroactive) child support.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16516.0,"score_ratio":5.6666666667} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"intwlet","c_root_id_B":"intb0dn","created_at_utc_A":1662795221,"created_at_utc_B":1662780450,"score_A":13,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"One point - The reason the father is not paying you the child support is because the court order presumably orders him to pay the mother. While morally wrong he is correct legally to continue to do so.","human_ref_B":"If you have court ordered guardianship, you may be eligible for Kinship care under TANF.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14771.0,"score_ratio":1.0833333333} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"int8we4","c_root_id_B":"intwlet","created_at_utc_A":1662779322,"created_at_utc_B":1662795221,"score_A":3,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"File for custody. They don't fight it, you get it. Then file for (retroactive) child support.","human_ref_B":"One point - The reason the father is not paying you the child support is because the court order presumably orders him to pay the mother. While morally wrong he is correct legally to continue to do so.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15899.0,"score_ratio":4.3333333333} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"int8we4","c_root_id_B":"intb0dn","created_at_utc_A":1662779322,"created_at_utc_B":1662780450,"score_A":3,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"File for custody. They don't fight it, you get it. Then file for (retroactive) child support.","human_ref_B":"If you have court ordered guardianship, you may be eligible for Kinship care under TANF.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1128.0,"score_ratio":4.0} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"int8we4","c_root_id_B":"inu9nz6","created_at_utc_A":1662779322,"created_at_utc_B":1662806326,"score_A":3,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"File for custody. They don't fight it, you get it. Then file for (retroactive) child support.","human_ref_B":"Your first step is filing for custody. You can do that without an attorney, especially since you said they won\u2019t fight you. Once you have custody, you notify whatever agency manages your brother\u2019s benefits and they would transfer to you. Then file for child support. But you need custody before pursuing those things, especially since you feel they would fight you over the money. If you don\u2019t have custody and try to get the money, they will probably take your brother out of your care which they can legally do without a custody order.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27004.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"inuhxyr","c_root_id_B":"inuhp0s","created_at_utc_A":1662812084,"created_at_utc_B":1662811930,"score_A":9,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Does your mom get SSI for your brother? If so call your local Social Security Administration(SSA) office or the main number 800-772-1213 and let them know the date that you\u2019ve had your brother in your custody, go by the date of the signed POA agreement. Although POA stops at a state level, it will be enough for SSA to suspend any SSI benefits she was receiving for your brother. If children and youth is involved they can help provide documentation if required. You\u2019d be able to apply to be his representative payee with SSA and receive those benefits directly. This would also possibly allow you to qualify for other state benefits like food stamps, housing assistance, and medical assistance. Good luck! PS\u2026when you do contact SSA, ask your local office for a list of free attorneys in your area that can help your get guardianship and permanent custody.","human_ref_B":"The other commenters got it right with getting custody, but I wanted to say also contact DPS and depending on your income, you can get health ins, money, help with utilities and housing, and food for you guys. You can also fill out a form at school for free or reduced lunch.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":154.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"inuhxyr","c_root_id_B":"int8we4","created_at_utc_A":1662812084,"created_at_utc_B":1662779322,"score_A":9,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Does your mom get SSI for your brother? If so call your local Social Security Administration(SSA) office or the main number 800-772-1213 and let them know the date that you\u2019ve had your brother in your custody, go by the date of the signed POA agreement. Although POA stops at a state level, it will be enough for SSA to suspend any SSI benefits she was receiving for your brother. If children and youth is involved they can help provide documentation if required. You\u2019d be able to apply to be his representative payee with SSA and receive those benefits directly. This would also possibly allow you to qualify for other state benefits like food stamps, housing assistance, and medical assistance. Good luck! PS\u2026when you do contact SSA, ask your local office for a list of free attorneys in your area that can help your get guardianship and permanent custody.","human_ref_B":"File for custody. They don't fight it, you get it. Then file for (retroactive) child support.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":32762.0,"score_ratio":3.0} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"inuhp0s","c_root_id_B":"inv2prx","created_at_utc_A":1662811930,"created_at_utc_B":1662822150,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"The other commenters got it right with getting custody, but I wanted to say also contact DPS and depending on your income, you can get health ins, money, help with utilities and housing, and food for you guys. You can also fill out a form at school for free or reduced lunch.","human_ref_B":"You should probably be receiving caregiver support in some way. My friend recieves money like a foster parent would, to help care for her 6 brothers.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10220.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"int8we4","c_root_id_B":"inuhp0s","created_at_utc_A":1662779322,"created_at_utc_B":1662811930,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"File for custody. They don't fight it, you get it. Then file for (retroactive) child support.","human_ref_B":"The other commenters got it right with getting custody, but I wanted to say also contact DPS and depending on your income, you can get health ins, money, help with utilities and housing, and food for you guys. You can also fill out a form at school for free or reduced lunch.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":32608.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"inv2prx","c_root_id_B":"int8we4","created_at_utc_A":1662822150,"created_at_utc_B":1662779322,"score_A":7,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You should probably be receiving caregiver support in some way. My friend recieves money like a foster parent would, to help care for her 6 brothers.","human_ref_B":"File for custody. They don't fight it, you get it. Then file for (retroactive) child support.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":42828.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} {"post_id":"xa8sib","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My parents abandoned my brother and I'm taking care of him, do I go to court for child support? So in May of this year my brother (11yo) came to live with me because my mother wasn't consistently feeding him, was having her abusive boyfriend over, and was not taking him to school. CPS was going to take my mother to court so he came to live with me. A while before that his father (my stepdad) left to go live on his own. Since May I have been feeding my brother, taking him to school, and he lives solely with me. My mother also collects money to take care of my brother which she will not give me. My step father has repeatedly refused to give me any money to help take care of him. I feel like I should file for child support, but I don't think I can afford the legal costs. My mother and my brother's father have no interest in taking care of him, so I do not believe they would fight me for custody, but they would fight me for child support as they do not want to pay any money to take care of their kid.","c_root_id_A":"invwf9m","c_root_id_B":"int8we4","created_at_utc_A":1662834179,"created_at_utc_B":1662779322,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Receiving benefits for a dependent over whom they don't have custody? Totally fraudulent.","human_ref_B":"File for custody. They don't fight it, you get it. Then file for (retroactive) child support.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":54857.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} {"post_id":"3kty71","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I had gone for 1 week vacation and gave my house keys to my a friend to look after and take care of my 2 dogs at my house. Now, he gave keys to his gf and let her stay at my home. She isn't leaving now after I come home. I called cops, but they say this would be a civil matter. What to do? [Santa Monica, CA] I'm owner of two story house. I had gone to Hawaii last week for 1 week vacation with my wife. No one was at home and it wasn't feasible for us to take dogs with us. So, I gave my house keys to a good friend of mine and asked him to take care of my 2 dogs. This would involve feeding them, changing waters and taking them to 1 hour walk daily. So, his girlfriend was in town and she had no place to stay. ( He lives in 1 bedroom condo with 2 other roommates.) So, he messaged me and asked me if i would allow his gf to stay at my home for just 1 night. I agreed as it was just matter of 1 night. Now, yesterday I came back and found out his gf has made dwelling in upper floor of my house. She has been staying here for 4 days. I asked her to leave immediately, but she and my friend are insisting to let her stay 1 more week because she in in search of a job in LA, CA. I called police. They came and said this would be a civil matter and I have to go through eviction process. So, I'm here with an unwanted stranger in upper floor, an asshole friend who broke promise and pissed off wife. What to do guys ? Can I change locks and throw here stuff out when she's away? Cut the electricity to upper floor?","c_root_id_A":"cv0h0od","c_root_id_B":"cv0hypc","created_at_utc_A":1442180921,"created_at_utc_B":1442182485,"score_A":97,"score_B":849,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like trespassing. I think you have to stay someplace a week before eviction is required. Time to lose your \"friend.\" Honestly, I'd just pack up her shit and drop it off at her bf's house and change the locks.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer. Call the police again and tell them she is a trepressing former guest of 4 days and you need her removed. Change the locks and lose the friend. This might help: http:\/\/www.criminaldefenselawyer.com\/resources\/how-do-i-get-rid-a-house-guest-who-wont-leave.htm","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1564.0,"score_ratio":8.7525773196} {"post_id":"3kty71","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I had gone for 1 week vacation and gave my house keys to my a friend to look after and take care of my 2 dogs at my house. Now, he gave keys to his gf and let her stay at my home. She isn't leaving now after I come home. I called cops, but they say this would be a civil matter. What to do? [Santa Monica, CA] I'm owner of two story house. I had gone to Hawaii last week for 1 week vacation with my wife. No one was at home and it wasn't feasible for us to take dogs with us. So, I gave my house keys to a good friend of mine and asked him to take care of my 2 dogs. This would involve feeding them, changing waters and taking them to 1 hour walk daily. So, his girlfriend was in town and she had no place to stay. ( He lives in 1 bedroom condo with 2 other roommates.) So, he messaged me and asked me if i would allow his gf to stay at my home for just 1 night. I agreed as it was just matter of 1 night. Now, yesterday I came back and found out his gf has made dwelling in upper floor of my house. She has been staying here for 4 days. I asked her to leave immediately, but she and my friend are insisting to let her stay 1 more week because she in in search of a job in LA, CA. I called police. They came and said this would be a civil matter and I have to go through eviction process. So, I'm here with an unwanted stranger in upper floor, an asshole friend who broke promise and pissed off wife. What to do guys ? Can I change locks and throw here stuff out when she's away? Cut the electricity to upper floor?","c_root_id_A":"cv0ivm6","c_root_id_B":"cv0h0od","created_at_utc_A":1442184004,"created_at_utc_B":1442180921,"score_A":381,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"Call the police, *AGAIN*... and continue to do so until they show up and do something. She is *TRESPASSING*. The police would not be evict her without a court order, but since she has no residency, this is not an eviction. Just removing her from the property upon which she is *TRESPASSING*. That is the law that the police would be enforcing in this situation. Just let them know. It probably wouldn't hurt to have a copy of the residency establishment guidelines printed up for them to peruse if they have questions.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like trespassing. I think you have to stay someplace a week before eviction is required. Time to lose your \"friend.\" Honestly, I'd just pack up her shit and drop it off at her bf's house and change the locks.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3083.0,"score_ratio":3.9278350515} {"post_id":"3kty71","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I had gone for 1 week vacation and gave my house keys to my a friend to look after and take care of my 2 dogs at my house. Now, he gave keys to his gf and let her stay at my home. She isn't leaving now after I come home. I called cops, but they say this would be a civil matter. What to do? [Santa Monica, CA] I'm owner of two story house. I had gone to Hawaii last week for 1 week vacation with my wife. No one was at home and it wasn't feasible for us to take dogs with us. So, I gave my house keys to a good friend of mine and asked him to take care of my 2 dogs. This would involve feeding them, changing waters and taking them to 1 hour walk daily. So, his girlfriend was in town and she had no place to stay. ( He lives in 1 bedroom condo with 2 other roommates.) So, he messaged me and asked me if i would allow his gf to stay at my home for just 1 night. I agreed as it was just matter of 1 night. Now, yesterday I came back and found out his gf has made dwelling in upper floor of my house. She has been staying here for 4 days. I asked her to leave immediately, but she and my friend are insisting to let her stay 1 more week because she in in search of a job in LA, CA. I called police. They came and said this would be a civil matter and I have to go through eviction process. So, I'm here with an unwanted stranger in upper floor, an asshole friend who broke promise and pissed off wife. What to do guys ? Can I change locks and throw here stuff out when she's away? Cut the electricity to upper floor?","c_root_id_A":"cv0jnly","c_root_id_B":"cv0h0od","created_at_utc_A":1442185355,"created_at_utc_B":1442180921,"score_A":325,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"Pretty easy! I will somehow find her number. Give her a call for job interview. When she is out, lock the doors and do not let her in.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like trespassing. I think you have to stay someplace a week before eviction is required. Time to lose your \"friend.\" Honestly, I'd just pack up her shit and drop it off at her bf's house and change the locks.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4434.0,"score_ratio":3.3505154639} {"post_id":"3kty71","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I had gone for 1 week vacation and gave my house keys to my a friend to look after and take care of my 2 dogs at my house. Now, he gave keys to his gf and let her stay at my home. She isn't leaving now after I come home. I called cops, but they say this would be a civil matter. What to do? [Santa Monica, CA] I'm owner of two story house. I had gone to Hawaii last week for 1 week vacation with my wife. No one was at home and it wasn't feasible for us to take dogs with us. So, I gave my house keys to a good friend of mine and asked him to take care of my 2 dogs. This would involve feeding them, changing waters and taking them to 1 hour walk daily. So, his girlfriend was in town and she had no place to stay. ( He lives in 1 bedroom condo with 2 other roommates.) So, he messaged me and asked me if i would allow his gf to stay at my home for just 1 night. I agreed as it was just matter of 1 night. Now, yesterday I came back and found out his gf has made dwelling in upper floor of my house. She has been staying here for 4 days. I asked her to leave immediately, but she and my friend are insisting to let her stay 1 more week because she in in search of a job in LA, CA. I called police. They came and said this would be a civil matter and I have to go through eviction process. So, I'm here with an unwanted stranger in upper floor, an asshole friend who broke promise and pissed off wife. What to do guys ? Can I change locks and throw here stuff out when she's away? Cut the electricity to upper floor?","c_root_id_A":"cv0mfnm","c_root_id_B":"cv0h0od","created_at_utc_A":1442190556,"created_at_utc_B":1442180921,"score_A":252,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"First thing you do is cut the WiFi. That millennial will be out of your house before tea time.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like trespassing. I think you have to stay someplace a week before eviction is required. Time to lose your \"friend.\" Honestly, I'd just pack up her shit and drop it off at her bf's house and change the locks.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9635.0,"score_ratio":2.5979381443} {"post_id":"3kty71","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"I had gone for 1 week vacation and gave my house keys to my a friend to look after and take care of my 2 dogs at my house. Now, he gave keys to his gf and let her stay at my home. She isn't leaving now after I come home. I called cops, but they say this would be a civil matter. What to do? [Santa Monica, CA] I'm owner of two story house. I had gone to Hawaii last week for 1 week vacation with my wife. No one was at home and it wasn't feasible for us to take dogs with us. So, I gave my house keys to a good friend of mine and asked him to take care of my 2 dogs. This would involve feeding them, changing waters and taking them to 1 hour walk daily. So, his girlfriend was in town and she had no place to stay. ( He lives in 1 bedroom condo with 2 other roommates.) So, he messaged me and asked me if i would allow his gf to stay at my home for just 1 night. I agreed as it was just matter of 1 night. Now, yesterday I came back and found out his gf has made dwelling in upper floor of my house. She has been staying here for 4 days. I asked her to leave immediately, but she and my friend are insisting to let her stay 1 more week because she in in search of a job in LA, CA. I called police. They came and said this would be a civil matter and I have to go through eviction process. So, I'm here with an unwanted stranger in upper floor, an asshole friend who broke promise and pissed off wife. What to do guys ? Can I change locks and throw here stuff out when she's away? Cut the electricity to upper floor?","c_root_id_A":"cv0mfnm","c_root_id_B":"cv0kor7","created_at_utc_A":1442190556,"created_at_utc_B":1442187213,"score_A":252,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"First thing you do is cut the WiFi. That millennial will be out of your house before tea time.","human_ref_B":"Two thoughts- I would call the cops again and tell them she is trespassing and harassing you. If the responding officer does not want to file charges\/remover her immediately, go to the police station with your evidence and file. Second, could you file for a restraining order, since she is harassing you, trespassing, and attempt to extort you for money to leave? I would file for an emergency RO on those grounds. Make sure someone is home at all times though, and documenting everything as much as possible.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3343.0,"score_ratio":2.5979381443} {"post_id":"ud5wdj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"My employer listed on my W2 is not the name of the company I signed my offer letter with. This lead to me missing out on unemployment benefits because it was never clear who I worked for. I used a recruiter to get on with this company A, and after the interview I got an offer letter. This offer letter was typical but said that they use TrendHR for payroll. They had me fill out information on the TrendHR website as if it was just outsourced HR. When I got fired for not taking the CEO\u2019s car to get detailed I tried to get unemployment it was of course rejected. I quickly found another job so I wasn\u2019t sweating it too much until I saw my W2 and it has TrendHR on my W2, not the company I signed an offer letter to. I feel like this company is shady and did this on purpose, and I\u2019d like to report them for this. I had to sell stocks to pay rent, and still barely scraped by because I wasn\u2019t able to get unemployment due to this omission of truth.","c_root_id_A":"i6es10c","c_root_id_B":"i6erwjk","created_at_utc_A":1651072645,"created_at_utc_B":1651072596,"score_A":105,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"Outsourced personnel management where technically you work for some other company who handles your payroll and benefits is reasonably common, and not inherently \"shady.\" If your unemployment claim was denied for this you should be able to refile with the corrected information. >When I got fired for not taking the CEO\u2019s car to get detailed It isn't necessarily clear you weren't righteously fired. But details and circumstances are everything.","human_ref_B":"You're supposed to check before you file. This is super common. The paystub often, very often, has a different employer of record.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":49.0,"score_ratio":3.75} {"post_id":"ud5wdj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"My employer listed on my W2 is not the name of the company I signed my offer letter with. This lead to me missing out on unemployment benefits because it was never clear who I worked for. I used a recruiter to get on with this company A, and after the interview I got an offer letter. This offer letter was typical but said that they use TrendHR for payroll. They had me fill out information on the TrendHR website as if it was just outsourced HR. When I got fired for not taking the CEO\u2019s car to get detailed I tried to get unemployment it was of course rejected. I quickly found another job so I wasn\u2019t sweating it too much until I saw my W2 and it has TrendHR on my W2, not the company I signed an offer letter to. I feel like this company is shady and did this on purpose, and I\u2019d like to report them for this. I had to sell stocks to pay rent, and still barely scraped by because I wasn\u2019t able to get unemployment due to this omission of truth.","c_root_id_A":"i6es10c","c_root_id_B":"i6es0mh","created_at_utc_A":1651072645,"created_at_utc_B":1651072640,"score_A":105,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"Outsourced personnel management where technically you work for some other company who handles your payroll and benefits is reasonably common, and not inherently \"shady.\" If your unemployment claim was denied for this you should be able to refile with the corrected information. >When I got fired for not taking the CEO\u2019s car to get detailed It isn't necessarily clear you weren't righteously fired. But details and circumstances are everything.","human_ref_B":"This isn\u2019t really shady at all, lots of times the company you are \u201cworking for\u201d and the one you get \u201cpaid by\u201d are not exactly the same. If you were rejected you should have appealed and explained the issue, there is an entire appeals process for these cases. You should feel free to consult with a local employment law attorney, but this doesn\u2019t strike me as an instance where you have a viable case.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5.0,"score_ratio":5.25} {"post_id":"ud5wdj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"My employer listed on my W2 is not the name of the company I signed my offer letter with. This lead to me missing out on unemployment benefits because it was never clear who I worked for. I used a recruiter to get on with this company A, and after the interview I got an offer letter. This offer letter was typical but said that they use TrendHR for payroll. They had me fill out information on the TrendHR website as if it was just outsourced HR. When I got fired for not taking the CEO\u2019s car to get detailed I tried to get unemployment it was of course rejected. I quickly found another job so I wasn\u2019t sweating it too much until I saw my W2 and it has TrendHR on my W2, not the company I signed an offer letter to. I feel like this company is shady and did this on purpose, and I\u2019d like to report them for this. I had to sell stocks to pay rent, and still barely scraped by because I wasn\u2019t able to get unemployment due to this omission of truth.","c_root_id_A":"i6es016","c_root_id_B":"i6es10c","created_at_utc_A":1651072634,"created_at_utc_B":1651072645,"score_A":2,"score_B":105,"human_ref_A":"What did you do when you got the initial rejection letter? What name was on your pay stubs?","human_ref_B":"Outsourced personnel management where technically you work for some other company who handles your payroll and benefits is reasonably common, and not inherently \"shady.\" If your unemployment claim was denied for this you should be able to refile with the corrected information. >When I got fired for not taking the CEO\u2019s car to get detailed It isn't necessarily clear you weren't righteously fired. But details and circumstances are everything.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11.0,"score_ratio":52.5} {"post_id":"ud5wdj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"My employer listed on my W2 is not the name of the company I signed my offer letter with. This lead to me missing out on unemployment benefits because it was never clear who I worked for. I used a recruiter to get on with this company A, and after the interview I got an offer letter. This offer letter was typical but said that they use TrendHR for payroll. They had me fill out information on the TrendHR website as if it was just outsourced HR. When I got fired for not taking the CEO\u2019s car to get detailed I tried to get unemployment it was of course rejected. I quickly found another job so I wasn\u2019t sweating it too much until I saw my W2 and it has TrendHR on my W2, not the company I signed an offer letter to. I feel like this company is shady and did this on purpose, and I\u2019d like to report them for this. I had to sell stocks to pay rent, and still barely scraped by because I wasn\u2019t able to get unemployment due to this omission of truth.","c_root_id_A":"i6es0mh","c_root_id_B":"i6es016","created_at_utc_A":1651072640,"created_at_utc_B":1651072634,"score_A":20,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"This isn\u2019t really shady at all, lots of times the company you are \u201cworking for\u201d and the one you get \u201cpaid by\u201d are not exactly the same. If you were rejected you should have appealed and explained the issue, there is an entire appeals process for these cases. You should feel free to consult with a local employment law attorney, but this doesn\u2019t strike me as an instance where you have a viable case.","human_ref_B":"What did you do when you got the initial rejection letter? What name was on your pay stubs?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6.0,"score_ratio":10.0} {"post_id":"ud5wdj","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"My employer listed on my W2 is not the name of the company I signed my offer letter with. This lead to me missing out on unemployment benefits because it was never clear who I worked for. I used a recruiter to get on with this company A, and after the interview I got an offer letter. This offer letter was typical but said that they use TrendHR for payroll. They had me fill out information on the TrendHR website as if it was just outsourced HR. When I got fired for not taking the CEO\u2019s car to get detailed I tried to get unemployment it was of course rejected. I quickly found another job so I wasn\u2019t sweating it too much until I saw my W2 and it has TrendHR on my W2, not the company I signed an offer letter to. I feel like this company is shady and did this on purpose, and I\u2019d like to report them for this. I had to sell stocks to pay rent, and still barely scraped by because I wasn\u2019t able to get unemployment due to this omission of truth.","c_root_id_A":"i6g0mku","c_root_id_B":"i6es016","created_at_utc_A":1651090125,"created_at_utc_B":1651072634,"score_A":8,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Yes\u2026 actually you should be able to refile BECAUSE of the mistake AND be able to backdate your claim BECAUSE of all of the above. You need to go into unemployment sometimes to be heard. But you HAVE to speak to them as you need help on how to fill out the form properly. Tell them the corrections and that you were told to back date it when you called in but need help etc etc","human_ref_B":"What did you do when you got the initial rejection letter? What name was on your pay stubs?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17491.0,"score_ratio":4.0} {"post_id":"3rkwvo","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"UPDATED] [CA, USA] Left a freelance position last month. Money order payment never arrived, boss is refusing to reissue saying it's my fault for waiting too long to follow up. Is there any way I can still receive wages or did I eff up? [Here's my last post! Hi guys. I would like to thank everyone who gave me advice. After the Reddit post, I decided to go with small claims court. HOWEVER, I realized that LA County provides a free \"mediation\" service, and I figured that if my ex-boss wanted to just put things to rest, this could be cheaper\/faster. (I got this info when calling LA County, some nice lady was explaining how it's free and online etc.) Unfortunately, mediation is voluntary. AKA, the government guy in charge of my case tried to flag down my boss via her cell number and work number (which I provided and know is correct, because she posts her numbers on her website) and she just completely avoided him for weeks. They had to close my case down because there was no way to contact her. She was obviously just trying to avoid paying me. OKAY. So I realized my only option is small claims court. There's a small fee after I file it electronically, but I'm willing to pay. But I filed it and it got REJECTED, the reason being that the company name (the defendant, essentially) is incorrect. I called up LA Small Claims Court to speak to an advisor, and she told me I need to find out the business's actual, real name - either in city hall business records or at kepler.sos.ba.gov. Here's my roadblock. I can't find any trace of her company. It's real because there's a fully functional website. The office location is even registered on Google - I can Google map my way to her office in seconds. The catch here, I know for a fact she never uses the office. It's basically just a placeholder so clients think she works in a cubicle (she told me this when I was working for her) but in reality she works at home in pajamas. WTF do I do? I can't find the real name of the company. I've used the name they had before, and I've used the name they had currently. Both don't show up in the government website. So is there a different name? Until I figure this out, I can't file a small claims case. But it totally exists, there's a website and the business is verified in Google! (Unless that means nothing? IDK). **Other questions:** 1. Say I miraculously find out what her business is called, and file my case correctly, and get accepted. HOW DO I SERVE HER THE PAPERS? I'm aware that I can't do it myself, etc. All I know are coffee shops she frequents and the gym she belongs to (which has multiple locations around town). And she never goes to her office. I know I can hire someone, but since I don't have a specific area they can go to (like an office or home) I'm not about to fork over $$$ for a lengthy stakeout at a coffee shop where she may or may not be. This whole \"serving\" issue is bugging me because if I pay for a process server, I'm losing MORE money without any guarantee I can get any money back. 2. Am I allowed to sue her for more than just my wages? Like an additional $100 for compensation from the HOURS I spent trying to figure this problem out AND hunting her down AND paying the court filing fees? I don't really know how suing people works, so I don't know if I'm pushing my luck by asking for \"more\" than what she officially owes me. 3. If there's no way to find the business, can I sue her as an individual? Would that be easier or harder to do? 4. Should I give up? Part of me is pissed she is \"winning\" and has avoided all attempts to pay me back. Another part is just soooo fucking tired. I recently got a new job, so it's not like I need the money or else I'll starve, but it's more like I want justice. But I also can't afford to be spending so many hours doing this. SIGH. Please help! TL;DR Still haven't gotten paid, trying to file a small claims court lawsuit BUT I can't freaking find any evidence of the business's city license\/registration BUT it's verified as a business on Google as my only proof it exists? I'm truly about to give up.","c_root_id_A":"cwp7mlk","c_root_id_B":"cwp6rtf","created_at_utc_A":1446712517,"created_at_utc_B":1446709300,"score_A":19,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I'm in CA and sued someone in small claims court this year. I paid a nominal fee to the court when I filed and they had process servers or something. I also got my filing fees and process serving costs back I believe. You will not get compensated for your time figuring this out. Do you know her name? Why not sue her as an individual?","human_ref_B":"If you got a printed check from the business, do you have or can you get a copy? There may be a name, account number, or other info. If you have a check stub there should be an employer number for tax purposes. Sue the name on the check. Or sue the person directly instead of the company. Also call the IRS and see if you can get some info, since you will of course be claiming you earned this money and need to make sure you will be filing correctly. It's gonna be fun if they get her for tax fraud.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3217.0,"score_ratio":4.75} {"post_id":"tplafc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"My neighbor is a cop and let\u2019s his dog poop in my backyard and doesn\u2019t pick up after him? I\u2019m at Warrington, PA Today my dad waved to him as he was exiting the back door to talk to him and the dude literally disappeared before his dog could finish.. he usually waits for his dog to finish. This man has put up markers to distinguish our yards (for the land mowers) Not only does he never picks up after the dog, we are looking to adopt two dogs. I\u2019m sure it will cause problems. He has a fenced backyard but still let\u2019s his dog poop all over our backyard. Is he allowed to do this? What can I do?","c_root_id_A":"i2bk3pl","c_root_id_B":"i2btq0w","created_at_utc_A":1648393721,"created_at_utc_B":1648397855,"score_A":90,"score_B":129,"human_ref_A":"According to P.A state laws it is illegal to let your animal poop in someone elses yard with no intentions of cleaning it up. Not a poop expert. Source: googled is it legal to let my dog poop in someones yard and not clean it.","human_ref_B":"No, he's not allowed to do this. You can file a police report and record your neighbor's dog doing this. As a deterrent you can also place Ammonia around the perimeter of your house to deter the dog from coming in or crushed red pepper flakes. Both are irritants to the dog and will persuade the dog to sniff elsewhere.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4134.0,"score_ratio":1.4333333333} {"post_id":"tplafc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"My neighbor is a cop and let\u2019s his dog poop in my backyard and doesn\u2019t pick up after him? I\u2019m at Warrington, PA Today my dad waved to him as he was exiting the back door to talk to him and the dude literally disappeared before his dog could finish.. he usually waits for his dog to finish. This man has put up markers to distinguish our yards (for the land mowers) Not only does he never picks up after the dog, we are looking to adopt two dogs. I\u2019m sure it will cause problems. He has a fenced backyard but still let\u2019s his dog poop all over our backyard. Is he allowed to do this? What can I do?","c_root_id_A":"i2c7oya","c_root_id_B":"i2cjuvi","created_at_utc_A":1648403689,"created_at_utc_B":1648408745,"score_A":8,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I'm confused. Is the fence between your back yards? Did he go back inside before your dad could talk to him? Is this your house or your dad's? I mean, clearly he knows the dog is pooping in the wrong place. The first step would be a conversation, so if that didn't happen, your dad (or you, depending on who owns the house) could go knock on his door and make that happen. The fact he is cop is not really an issue if he ceases letting the dog poop in your yard after a cordial conversation. It only becomes somewhat of an issue if you want to get the police involved. That is probably not going to be necessary, especially if the conversation goes well. You have a pretty strong incentive to make the conversation go well because 1. this is just dog poop 2. he is your neighbor 3. you want a positive relationship moving forward. If the conversation does not go well, then you might have a delicate situation or you might not. That is a bridge you can cross if or when you get to it.","human_ref_B":"Call his supervising officer and file a complaint. Police are sworn to uphold the law\u2014even when off the clock.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5056.0,"score_ratio":1.875} {"post_id":"tplafc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"My neighbor is a cop and let\u2019s his dog poop in my backyard and doesn\u2019t pick up after him? I\u2019m at Warrington, PA Today my dad waved to him as he was exiting the back door to talk to him and the dude literally disappeared before his dog could finish.. he usually waits for his dog to finish. This man has put up markers to distinguish our yards (for the land mowers) Not only does he never picks up after the dog, we are looking to adopt two dogs. I\u2019m sure it will cause problems. He has a fenced backyard but still let\u2019s his dog poop all over our backyard. Is he allowed to do this? What can I do?","c_root_id_A":"i2c7oya","c_root_id_B":"i2cvdul","created_at_utc_A":1648403689,"created_at_utc_B":1648413871,"score_A":8,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I'm confused. Is the fence between your back yards? Did he go back inside before your dad could talk to him? Is this your house or your dad's? I mean, clearly he knows the dog is pooping in the wrong place. The first step would be a conversation, so if that didn't happen, your dad (or you, depending on who owns the house) could go knock on his door and make that happen. The fact he is cop is not really an issue if he ceases letting the dog poop in your yard after a cordial conversation. It only becomes somewhat of an issue if you want to get the police involved. That is probably not going to be necessary, especially if the conversation goes well. You have a pretty strong incentive to make the conversation go well because 1. this is just dog poop 2. he is your neighbor 3. you want a positive relationship moving forward. If the conversation does not go well, then you might have a delicate situation or you might not. That is a bridge you can cross if or when you get to it.","human_ref_B":"Go talk to him and ask him to stop. His being a police officer doesn\u2019t mean anything in this situation you are neighbors. If he continues call his superior and guarantee it will stop. I\u2019ve worked in law enforcement and my ex was a police officer for 30 years. Your neighbor is a inconsiderate jerk.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10182.0,"score_ratio":1.875} {"post_id":"tplafc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"My neighbor is a cop and let\u2019s his dog poop in my backyard and doesn\u2019t pick up after him? I\u2019m at Warrington, PA Today my dad waved to him as he was exiting the back door to talk to him and the dude literally disappeared before his dog could finish.. he usually waits for his dog to finish. This man has put up markers to distinguish our yards (for the land mowers) Not only does he never picks up after the dog, we are looking to adopt two dogs. I\u2019m sure it will cause problems. He has a fenced backyard but still let\u2019s his dog poop all over our backyard. Is he allowed to do this? What can I do?","c_root_id_A":"i2coc6h","c_root_id_B":"i2cvdul","created_at_utc_A":1648410691,"created_at_utc_B":1648413871,"score_A":3,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"He has a fenced yard? I don't understand how the dog gets into your yard from his fenced in back yard. After you have a conversation with your neighbor, you could post no trespassing signs. Then if it happens again you have a case. It isn't trespassing unless it is posted I believe (or have a clear boundary like a fence). Not a lawyer. Good luck","human_ref_B":"Go talk to him and ask him to stop. His being a police officer doesn\u2019t mean anything in this situation you are neighbors. If he continues call his superior and guarantee it will stop. I\u2019ve worked in law enforcement and my ex was a police officer for 30 years. Your neighbor is a inconsiderate jerk.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3180.0,"score_ratio":5.0} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige6cay","c_root_id_B":"igdxyqw","created_at_utc_A":1657978752,"created_at_utc_B":1657974214,"score_A":904,"score_B":883,"human_ref_A":"The most you\u2019re gonna get out of it from Lowe\u2019s is an apology and the employee who gave it to someone else might be fired. Doubt you\u2019ll get anything more than that. Maybe they throw a like $50 gift card in to try and placate you, but even that is highly unlikely.","human_ref_B":"File a police report and a fraud case with the bank. They should reverse all of the illegitimate charges. You don\u2019t really have recourse against Lowe\u2019s.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4538.0,"score_ratio":1.0237825595} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige6cay","c_root_id_B":"igdvq5y","created_at_utc_A":1657978752,"created_at_utc_B":1657972869,"score_A":904,"score_B":569,"human_ref_A":"The most you\u2019re gonna get out of it from Lowe\u2019s is an apology and the employee who gave it to someone else might be fired. Doubt you\u2019ll get anything more than that. Maybe they throw a like $50 gift card in to try and placate you, but even that is highly unlikely.","human_ref_B":"This is not a Lowe's problem, it's a you and the cc card company issue. Since you've notified the cc company, you won't be responsible for any charges, so you don't have any grounds for any damages. While someone dropped the ball by mistakenly giving your cc to someone else, YOU are the person who lost it and there isn't any damages, other than your aggravation and inconvenience. Remember, that you lost the card.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5883.0,"score_ratio":1.5887521968} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige5arz","c_root_id_B":"ige6cay","created_at_utc_A":1657978222,"created_at_utc_B":1657978752,"score_A":206,"score_B":904,"human_ref_A":"Why would you have recourse against Lowes? You\u2019re the one that lost your credit card in the first place\u2026 Contact your credit card issuer and treat it like a standard lost card case.","human_ref_B":"The most you\u2019re gonna get out of it from Lowe\u2019s is an apology and the employee who gave it to someone else might be fired. Doubt you\u2019ll get anything more than that. Maybe they throw a like $50 gift card in to try and placate you, but even that is highly unlikely.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":530.0,"score_ratio":4.3883495146} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige0xd0","c_root_id_B":"ige6cay","created_at_utc_A":1657975901,"created_at_utc_B":1657978752,"score_A":149,"score_B":904,"human_ref_A":"You need to immediately call your credit card issuer and ask to speak to the fraud department. Inform them what has happened. They will walk through all the recent transactions on the card. Be open and VERY HONEST about which transactions were fraudulent and which ones were not. (They will likely catch you if you lie, because they are very, very good at seeing your normal usage pattern. If the fraudulent transactions match your use pattern, they will investigate them more carefully.) This is a now thing, not a \u201con Monday morning\u201d thing. Trust me, the fraud department will be staffed on the weekend and at night. You may be liable for $50, but most issuers wave this as a courtesy. They will issue you a new card, and life will go on. Lowes messed up, but honestly, they are victims too. They either had an employee in on it, or the person was able to impersonate you. The merchants who accepted the card are going to eat the costs of doing so, because they did not validate identity. Lowes may not be defrauded monetarily by the person who stole your card, but they loose a lot of money over this.","human_ref_B":"The most you\u2019re gonna get out of it from Lowe\u2019s is an apology and the employee who gave it to someone else might be fired. Doubt you\u2019ll get anything more than that. Maybe they throw a like $50 gift card in to try and placate you, but even that is highly unlikely.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2851.0,"score_ratio":6.067114094} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige6cay","c_root_id_B":"ige0bi9","created_at_utc_A":1657978752,"created_at_utc_B":1657975565,"score_A":904,"score_B":93,"human_ref_A":"The most you\u2019re gonna get out of it from Lowe\u2019s is an apology and the employee who gave it to someone else might be fired. Doubt you\u2019ll get anything more than that. Maybe they throw a like $50 gift card in to try and placate you, but even that is highly unlikely.","human_ref_B":"You've reported the card stolen to your bank, and presumably told them which charges aren't legit, so you aren't responsible for them. In the end, you haven't sustained any damages, so there's nothing to sue Lowe's over. Your bank may be annoyed, but that's between your bank and Lowe's.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3187.0,"score_ratio":9.7204301075} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige6cay","c_root_id_B":"igduabr","created_at_utc_A":1657978752,"created_at_utc_B":1657971973,"score_A":904,"score_B":68,"human_ref_A":"The most you\u2019re gonna get out of it from Lowe\u2019s is an apology and the employee who gave it to someone else might be fired. Doubt you\u2019ll get anything more than that. Maybe they throw a like $50 gift card in to try and placate you, but even that is highly unlikely.","human_ref_B":"Well you should have cancelled your card the second you lost it. Your new course of action needs to be to call them immediately and tell them the story and do as they say.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6779.0,"score_ratio":13.2941176471} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igdvq5y","c_root_id_B":"igdxyqw","created_at_utc_A":1657972869,"created_at_utc_B":1657974214,"score_A":569,"score_B":883,"human_ref_A":"This is not a Lowe's problem, it's a you and the cc card company issue. Since you've notified the cc company, you won't be responsible for any charges, so you don't have any grounds for any damages. While someone dropped the ball by mistakenly giving your cc to someone else, YOU are the person who lost it and there isn't any damages, other than your aggravation and inconvenience. Remember, that you lost the card.","human_ref_B":"File a police report and a fraud case with the bank. They should reverse all of the illegitimate charges. You don\u2019t really have recourse against Lowe\u2019s.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1345.0,"score_ratio":1.5518453427} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igdxyqw","c_root_id_B":"igduabr","created_at_utc_A":1657974214,"created_at_utc_B":1657971973,"score_A":883,"score_B":68,"human_ref_A":"File a police report and a fraud case with the bank. They should reverse all of the illegitimate charges. You don\u2019t really have recourse against Lowe\u2019s.","human_ref_B":"Well you should have cancelled your card the second you lost it. Your new course of action needs to be to call them immediately and tell them the story and do as they say.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2241.0,"score_ratio":12.9852941176} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igdvq5y","c_root_id_B":"igegpm3","created_at_utc_A":1657972869,"created_at_utc_B":1657983616,"score_A":569,"score_B":878,"human_ref_A":"This is not a Lowe's problem, it's a you and the cc card company issue. Since you've notified the cc company, you won't be responsible for any charges, so you don't have any grounds for any damages. While someone dropped the ball by mistakenly giving your cc to someone else, YOU are the person who lost it and there isn't any damages, other than your aggravation and inconvenience. Remember, that you lost the card.","human_ref_B":"Step 1) Calm down. Yelling at the Lowe's employees, whether threatening or just in anger, will not help you here. Step 2) Call your bank and report that your card was stolen. Report all the charges you didn't make as fraud. Step 3) Get a new card. That's all there is to do. There is no legal action to take against Lowe's; the card company will refund the fraudulent charges so you have suffered no damages.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10747.0,"score_ratio":1.5430579965} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igegpm3","c_root_id_B":"igeekyd","created_at_utc_A":1657983616,"created_at_utc_B":1657982665,"score_A":878,"score_B":491,"human_ref_A":"Step 1) Calm down. Yelling at the Lowe's employees, whether threatening or just in anger, will not help you here. Step 2) Call your bank and report that your card was stolen. Report all the charges you didn't make as fraud. Step 3) Get a new card. That's all there is to do. There is no legal action to take against Lowe's; the card company will refund the fraudulent charges so you have suffered no damages.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like you\u2019re looking to sue and make money off the incident. The bank and or credit card company will cancel those fraudulent charges. You have no loss therefore nothing to sue for. You have no case against Lowes.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":951.0,"score_ratio":1.7881873727} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeeqgb","c_root_id_B":"igegpm3","created_at_utc_A":1657982735,"created_at_utc_B":1657983616,"score_A":327,"score_B":878,"human_ref_A":"I understand why you\u2019re mad, but not this mad. Your CC company will reverse the charges. The couple of time someone skimmed or copied my CC and made some charges on it they immediately reversed all charges. I had a replacement card in two days. Lowe\u2019s will reprimand the employee who screwed up and you will be made whole again.","human_ref_B":"Step 1) Calm down. Yelling at the Lowe's employees, whether threatening or just in anger, will not help you here. Step 2) Call your bank and report that your card was stolen. Report all the charges you didn't make as fraud. Step 3) Get a new card. That's all there is to do. There is no legal action to take against Lowe's; the card company will refund the fraudulent charges so you have suffered no damages.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":881.0,"score_ratio":2.6850152905} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige5arz","c_root_id_B":"igegpm3","created_at_utc_A":1657978222,"created_at_utc_B":1657983616,"score_A":206,"score_B":878,"human_ref_A":"Why would you have recourse against Lowes? You\u2019re the one that lost your credit card in the first place\u2026 Contact your credit card issuer and treat it like a standard lost card case.","human_ref_B":"Step 1) Calm down. Yelling at the Lowe's employees, whether threatening or just in anger, will not help you here. Step 2) Call your bank and report that your card was stolen. Report all the charges you didn't make as fraud. Step 3) Get a new card. That's all there is to do. There is no legal action to take against Lowe's; the card company will refund the fraudulent charges so you have suffered no damages.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5394.0,"score_ratio":4.2621359223} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igegpm3","c_root_id_B":"ige0xd0","created_at_utc_A":1657983616,"created_at_utc_B":1657975901,"score_A":878,"score_B":149,"human_ref_A":"Step 1) Calm down. Yelling at the Lowe's employees, whether threatening or just in anger, will not help you here. Step 2) Call your bank and report that your card was stolen. Report all the charges you didn't make as fraud. Step 3) Get a new card. That's all there is to do. There is no legal action to take against Lowe's; the card company will refund the fraudulent charges so you have suffered no damages.","human_ref_B":"You need to immediately call your credit card issuer and ask to speak to the fraud department. Inform them what has happened. They will walk through all the recent transactions on the card. Be open and VERY HONEST about which transactions were fraudulent and which ones were not. (They will likely catch you if you lie, because they are very, very good at seeing your normal usage pattern. If the fraudulent transactions match your use pattern, they will investigate them more carefully.) This is a now thing, not a \u201con Monday morning\u201d thing. Trust me, the fraud department will be staffed on the weekend and at night. You may be liable for $50, but most issuers wave this as a courtesy. They will issue you a new card, and life will go on. Lowes messed up, but honestly, they are victims too. They either had an employee in on it, or the person was able to impersonate you. The merchants who accepted the card are going to eat the costs of doing so, because they did not validate identity. Lowes may not be defrauded monetarily by the person who stole your card, but they loose a lot of money over this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7715.0,"score_ratio":5.8926174497} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige0bi9","c_root_id_B":"igegpm3","created_at_utc_A":1657975565,"created_at_utc_B":1657983616,"score_A":93,"score_B":878,"human_ref_A":"You've reported the card stolen to your bank, and presumably told them which charges aren't legit, so you aren't responsible for them. In the end, you haven't sustained any damages, so there's nothing to sue Lowe's over. Your bank may be annoyed, but that's between your bank and Lowe's.","human_ref_B":"Step 1) Calm down. Yelling at the Lowe's employees, whether threatening or just in anger, will not help you here. Step 2) Call your bank and report that your card was stolen. Report all the charges you didn't make as fraud. Step 3) Get a new card. That's all there is to do. There is no legal action to take against Lowe's; the card company will refund the fraudulent charges so you have suffered no damages.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8051.0,"score_ratio":9.4408602151} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igduabr","c_root_id_B":"igegpm3","created_at_utc_A":1657971973,"created_at_utc_B":1657983616,"score_A":68,"score_B":878,"human_ref_A":"Well you should have cancelled your card the second you lost it. Your new course of action needs to be to call them immediately and tell them the story and do as they say.","human_ref_B":"Step 1) Calm down. Yelling at the Lowe's employees, whether threatening or just in anger, will not help you here. Step 2) Call your bank and report that your card was stolen. Report all the charges you didn't make as fraud. Step 3) Get a new card. That's all there is to do. There is no legal action to take against Lowe's; the card company will refund the fraudulent charges so you have suffered no damages.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11643.0,"score_ratio":12.9117647059} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igegpm3","c_root_id_B":"iged2pp","created_at_utc_A":1657983616,"created_at_utc_B":1657981975,"score_A":878,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"Step 1) Calm down. Yelling at the Lowe's employees, whether threatening or just in anger, will not help you here. Step 2) Call your bank and report that your card was stolen. Report all the charges you didn't make as fraud. Step 3) Get a new card. That's all there is to do. There is no legal action to take against Lowe's; the card company will refund the fraudulent charges so you have suffered no damages.","human_ref_B":"Not a big deal. It's a credit card. That's the banks money and not yours. This is a major reason why you should always use a credit card and never a debit card. You called the credit card company to cancel it. Just dispute the fraudulent charges. You're not liable for them since you didn't authorize them. File a police report if you want to be extra sure no one will hassle you. But if the bank hassles you over this then you should immediately get a new bank because this sort of stuff happens all the time and it's no big deal. Lowe's didn't do anything wrong. They're not responsible for your credit card. You are. They have no way of knowing if you are really who you say you are or anything. And you shouldnt' have left your card there. You're not going to get anywhere trying to pursue lowes. You should have just cancelled the card straightaway as soon as they said you left it and requested a new one. My bank will overnight me a replacement card up to like twice a year for free. If yours doesn't, try getting a new bank. It's much cheaper for them to send you a new card than it is to waste their time chasing down fraudulent charges and tying up their money. If Lowes gave your card to a stranger it was likely because they asked the person if it was their card and they said yes. Thus there was very likely no crime committed by lowes. Proving that this was a conspiracy is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible. You have no recourse against lowes. You can file a police report for identity theft, but you have no damages because you aren't liable for the charges they made so there's nothing you can do beyond that. This is seriously not a big deal and if your bank tries to make it one, get a new bank yesterday. It's 2022 and credit cards get stolen thousands of times a day.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1641.0,"score_ratio":19.9545454545} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igegpm3","c_root_id_B":"igec15j","created_at_utc_A":1657983616,"created_at_utc_B":1657981488,"score_A":878,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"Step 1) Calm down. Yelling at the Lowe's employees, whether threatening or just in anger, will not help you here. Step 2) Call your bank and report that your card was stolen. Report all the charges you didn't make as fraud. Step 3) Get a new card. That's all there is to do. There is no legal action to take against Lowe's; the card company will refund the fraudulent charges so you have suffered no damages.","human_ref_B":"As a former senior LP director for a retail giant, while this is frustrating, you are actually not the victim here, the CC issuing bank and \/ or Lowes are. Any fraudulent charges are not your responsibility (technically the FCBA says the first $50 can be, but most card issuers waive that). The police (depending on your location) may engage with store LP in the possibility that this was a known actor or an internal theft, but the actual complainant \/ victim would be the CC bank and \/ or Lowes. While there\u2019s unlikely to be any legal recourse for you, from a customer service standpoint I\u2019d imagine if you were calm and reasonable that they\u2019d likely offer a discount on your storm door for the hassle \/ inconvenience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2128.0,"score_ratio":20.4186046512} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igegpm3","c_root_id_B":"igee753","created_at_utc_A":1657983616,"created_at_utc_B":1657982489,"score_A":878,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Step 1) Calm down. Yelling at the Lowe's employees, whether threatening or just in anger, will not help you here. Step 2) Call your bank and report that your card was stolen. Report all the charges you didn't make as fraud. Step 3) Get a new card. That's all there is to do. There is no legal action to take against Lowe's; the card company will refund the fraudulent charges so you have suffered no damages.","human_ref_B":"It is perfectly normal to feel violated and angry and want Lowes and the person who used your card to be held accountable. I\u2019ve had this happen to friends too. Lowes made a mistake, but at worst it\u2019s incompetence not a crime. Lowes might fire the employee, reprimand them, or do nothing. But that\u2019s entirely up to Lowes. You don\u2019t really have any control over that. That\u2019s frustrating but don\u2019t let your frustration and anger rule you. Just let Lowes do what Lowes does. The person who took your card and used it, unless they have an identical name (and also lost a card at that Lowes) or some other very strange coincidence, knew full well that it was not their card. They did commit a crime. You can and should report this crime to the police. You can and should also report it to your credit card company. But as others have said, you don\u2019t have any control over wether the police or card company will pursue this. They are only likely to pursue it if it\u2019s a high enough dollar amount or it fits into a larger fraud pattern or group they are investigating. Either way, my point is that you will feel much better and be happier as a person if you just let this go, enjoy the protections your card company gives you, and move on in life.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1127.0,"score_ratio":46.2105263158} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeene7","c_root_id_B":"igegpm3","created_at_utc_A":1657982696,"created_at_utc_B":1657983616,"score_A":13,"score_B":878,"human_ref_A":"For future reference - whenever you loose a credit card the first thing you should do is call, or go to online account if available to you, and lock the card. I hope you have reported it to your ccc by now. They won't hold you to more than $50 of charges and usually they don't even hold you to that","human_ref_B":"Step 1) Calm down. Yelling at the Lowe's employees, whether threatening or just in anger, will not help you here. Step 2) Call your bank and report that your card was stolen. Report all the charges you didn't make as fraud. Step 3) Get a new card. That's all there is to do. There is no legal action to take against Lowe's; the card company will refund the fraudulent charges so you have suffered no damages.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":920.0,"score_ratio":67.5384615385} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igduabr","c_root_id_B":"igdvq5y","created_at_utc_A":1657971973,"created_at_utc_B":1657972869,"score_A":68,"score_B":569,"human_ref_A":"Well you should have cancelled your card the second you lost it. Your new course of action needs to be to call them immediately and tell them the story and do as they say.","human_ref_B":"This is not a Lowe's problem, it's a you and the cc card company issue. Since you've notified the cc company, you won't be responsible for any charges, so you don't have any grounds for any damages. While someone dropped the ball by mistakenly giving your cc to someone else, YOU are the person who lost it and there isn't any damages, other than your aggravation and inconvenience. Remember, that you lost the card.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":896.0,"score_ratio":8.3676470588} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeekyd","c_root_id_B":"ige5arz","created_at_utc_A":1657982665,"created_at_utc_B":1657978222,"score_A":491,"score_B":206,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like you\u2019re looking to sue and make money off the incident. The bank and or credit card company will cancel those fraudulent charges. You have no loss therefore nothing to sue for. You have no case against Lowes.","human_ref_B":"Why would you have recourse against Lowes? You\u2019re the one that lost your credit card in the first place\u2026 Contact your credit card issuer and treat it like a standard lost card case.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4443.0,"score_ratio":2.3834951456} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige0xd0","c_root_id_B":"igeekyd","created_at_utc_A":1657975901,"created_at_utc_B":1657982665,"score_A":149,"score_B":491,"human_ref_A":"You need to immediately call your credit card issuer and ask to speak to the fraud department. Inform them what has happened. They will walk through all the recent transactions on the card. Be open and VERY HONEST about which transactions were fraudulent and which ones were not. (They will likely catch you if you lie, because they are very, very good at seeing your normal usage pattern. If the fraudulent transactions match your use pattern, they will investigate them more carefully.) This is a now thing, not a \u201con Monday morning\u201d thing. Trust me, the fraud department will be staffed on the weekend and at night. You may be liable for $50, but most issuers wave this as a courtesy. They will issue you a new card, and life will go on. Lowes messed up, but honestly, they are victims too. They either had an employee in on it, or the person was able to impersonate you. The merchants who accepted the card are going to eat the costs of doing so, because they did not validate identity. Lowes may not be defrauded monetarily by the person who stole your card, but they loose a lot of money over this.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like you\u2019re looking to sue and make money off the incident. The bank and or credit card company will cancel those fraudulent charges. You have no loss therefore nothing to sue for. You have no case against Lowes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6764.0,"score_ratio":3.2953020134} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige0bi9","c_root_id_B":"igeekyd","created_at_utc_A":1657975565,"created_at_utc_B":1657982665,"score_A":93,"score_B":491,"human_ref_A":"You've reported the card stolen to your bank, and presumably told them which charges aren't legit, so you aren't responsible for them. In the end, you haven't sustained any damages, so there's nothing to sue Lowe's over. Your bank may be annoyed, but that's between your bank and Lowe's.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like you\u2019re looking to sue and make money off the incident. The bank and or credit card company will cancel those fraudulent charges. You have no loss therefore nothing to sue for. You have no case against Lowes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7100.0,"score_ratio":5.2795698925} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igduabr","c_root_id_B":"igeekyd","created_at_utc_A":1657971973,"created_at_utc_B":1657982665,"score_A":68,"score_B":491,"human_ref_A":"Well you should have cancelled your card the second you lost it. Your new course of action needs to be to call them immediately and tell them the story and do as they say.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like you\u2019re looking to sue and make money off the incident. The bank and or credit card company will cancel those fraudulent charges. You have no loss therefore nothing to sue for. You have no case against Lowes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10692.0,"score_ratio":7.2205882353} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeekyd","c_root_id_B":"iged2pp","created_at_utc_A":1657982665,"created_at_utc_B":1657981975,"score_A":491,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like you\u2019re looking to sue and make money off the incident. The bank and or credit card company will cancel those fraudulent charges. You have no loss therefore nothing to sue for. You have no case against Lowes.","human_ref_B":"Not a big deal. It's a credit card. That's the banks money and not yours. This is a major reason why you should always use a credit card and never a debit card. You called the credit card company to cancel it. Just dispute the fraudulent charges. You're not liable for them since you didn't authorize them. File a police report if you want to be extra sure no one will hassle you. But if the bank hassles you over this then you should immediately get a new bank because this sort of stuff happens all the time and it's no big deal. Lowe's didn't do anything wrong. They're not responsible for your credit card. You are. They have no way of knowing if you are really who you say you are or anything. And you shouldnt' have left your card there. You're not going to get anywhere trying to pursue lowes. You should have just cancelled the card straightaway as soon as they said you left it and requested a new one. My bank will overnight me a replacement card up to like twice a year for free. If yours doesn't, try getting a new bank. It's much cheaper for them to send you a new card than it is to waste their time chasing down fraudulent charges and tying up their money. If Lowes gave your card to a stranger it was likely because they asked the person if it was their card and they said yes. Thus there was very likely no crime committed by lowes. Proving that this was a conspiracy is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible. You have no recourse against lowes. You can file a police report for identity theft, but you have no damages because you aren't liable for the charges they made so there's nothing you can do beyond that. This is seriously not a big deal and if your bank tries to make it one, get a new bank yesterday. It's 2022 and credit cards get stolen thousands of times a day.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":690.0,"score_ratio":11.1590909091} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igec15j","c_root_id_B":"igeekyd","created_at_utc_A":1657981488,"created_at_utc_B":1657982665,"score_A":43,"score_B":491,"human_ref_A":"As a former senior LP director for a retail giant, while this is frustrating, you are actually not the victim here, the CC issuing bank and \/ or Lowes are. Any fraudulent charges are not your responsibility (technically the FCBA says the first $50 can be, but most card issuers waive that). The police (depending on your location) may engage with store LP in the possibility that this was a known actor or an internal theft, but the actual complainant \/ victim would be the CC bank and \/ or Lowes. While there\u2019s unlikely to be any legal recourse for you, from a customer service standpoint I\u2019d imagine if you were calm and reasonable that they\u2019d likely offer a discount on your storm door for the hassle \/ inconvenience.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like you\u2019re looking to sue and make money off the incident. The bank and or credit card company will cancel those fraudulent charges. You have no loss therefore nothing to sue for. You have no case against Lowes.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1177.0,"score_ratio":11.4186046512} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeekyd","c_root_id_B":"igee753","created_at_utc_A":1657982665,"created_at_utc_B":1657982489,"score_A":491,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like you\u2019re looking to sue and make money off the incident. The bank and or credit card company will cancel those fraudulent charges. You have no loss therefore nothing to sue for. You have no case against Lowes.","human_ref_B":"It is perfectly normal to feel violated and angry and want Lowes and the person who used your card to be held accountable. I\u2019ve had this happen to friends too. Lowes made a mistake, but at worst it\u2019s incompetence not a crime. Lowes might fire the employee, reprimand them, or do nothing. But that\u2019s entirely up to Lowes. You don\u2019t really have any control over that. That\u2019s frustrating but don\u2019t let your frustration and anger rule you. Just let Lowes do what Lowes does. The person who took your card and used it, unless they have an identical name (and also lost a card at that Lowes) or some other very strange coincidence, knew full well that it was not their card. They did commit a crime. You can and should report this crime to the police. You can and should also report it to your credit card company. But as others have said, you don\u2019t have any control over wether the police or card company will pursue this. They are only likely to pursue it if it\u2019s a high enough dollar amount or it fits into a larger fraud pattern or group they are investigating. Either way, my point is that you will feel much better and be happier as a person if you just let this go, enjoy the protections your card company gives you, and move on in life.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":176.0,"score_ratio":25.8421052632} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige5arz","c_root_id_B":"igeeqgb","created_at_utc_A":1657978222,"created_at_utc_B":1657982735,"score_A":206,"score_B":327,"human_ref_A":"Why would you have recourse against Lowes? You\u2019re the one that lost your credit card in the first place\u2026 Contact your credit card issuer and treat it like a standard lost card case.","human_ref_B":"I understand why you\u2019re mad, but not this mad. Your CC company will reverse the charges. The couple of time someone skimmed or copied my CC and made some charges on it they immediately reversed all charges. I had a replacement card in two days. Lowe\u2019s will reprimand the employee who screwed up and you will be made whole again.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4513.0,"score_ratio":1.5873786408} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeeqgb","c_root_id_B":"ige0xd0","created_at_utc_A":1657982735,"created_at_utc_B":1657975901,"score_A":327,"score_B":149,"human_ref_A":"I understand why you\u2019re mad, but not this mad. Your CC company will reverse the charges. The couple of time someone skimmed or copied my CC and made some charges on it they immediately reversed all charges. I had a replacement card in two days. Lowe\u2019s will reprimand the employee who screwed up and you will be made whole again.","human_ref_B":"You need to immediately call your credit card issuer and ask to speak to the fraud department. Inform them what has happened. They will walk through all the recent transactions on the card. Be open and VERY HONEST about which transactions were fraudulent and which ones were not. (They will likely catch you if you lie, because they are very, very good at seeing your normal usage pattern. If the fraudulent transactions match your use pattern, they will investigate them more carefully.) This is a now thing, not a \u201con Monday morning\u201d thing. Trust me, the fraud department will be staffed on the weekend and at night. You may be liable for $50, but most issuers wave this as a courtesy. They will issue you a new card, and life will go on. Lowes messed up, but honestly, they are victims too. They either had an employee in on it, or the person was able to impersonate you. The merchants who accepted the card are going to eat the costs of doing so, because they did not validate identity. Lowes may not be defrauded monetarily by the person who stole your card, but they loose a lot of money over this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6834.0,"score_ratio":2.1946308725} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige0bi9","c_root_id_B":"igeeqgb","created_at_utc_A":1657975565,"created_at_utc_B":1657982735,"score_A":93,"score_B":327,"human_ref_A":"You've reported the card stolen to your bank, and presumably told them which charges aren't legit, so you aren't responsible for them. In the end, you haven't sustained any damages, so there's nothing to sue Lowe's over. Your bank may be annoyed, but that's between your bank and Lowe's.","human_ref_B":"I understand why you\u2019re mad, but not this mad. Your CC company will reverse the charges. The couple of time someone skimmed or copied my CC and made some charges on it they immediately reversed all charges. I had a replacement card in two days. Lowe\u2019s will reprimand the employee who screwed up and you will be made whole again.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7170.0,"score_ratio":3.5161290323} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeeqgb","c_root_id_B":"igduabr","created_at_utc_A":1657982735,"created_at_utc_B":1657971973,"score_A":327,"score_B":68,"human_ref_A":"I understand why you\u2019re mad, but not this mad. Your CC company will reverse the charges. The couple of time someone skimmed or copied my CC and made some charges on it they immediately reversed all charges. I had a replacement card in two days. Lowe\u2019s will reprimand the employee who screwed up and you will be made whole again.","human_ref_B":"Well you should have cancelled your card the second you lost it. Your new course of action needs to be to call them immediately and tell them the story and do as they say.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10762.0,"score_ratio":4.8088235294} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"iged2pp","c_root_id_B":"igeeqgb","created_at_utc_A":1657981975,"created_at_utc_B":1657982735,"score_A":44,"score_B":327,"human_ref_A":"Not a big deal. It's a credit card. That's the banks money and not yours. This is a major reason why you should always use a credit card and never a debit card. You called the credit card company to cancel it. Just dispute the fraudulent charges. You're not liable for them since you didn't authorize them. File a police report if you want to be extra sure no one will hassle you. But if the bank hassles you over this then you should immediately get a new bank because this sort of stuff happens all the time and it's no big deal. Lowe's didn't do anything wrong. They're not responsible for your credit card. You are. They have no way of knowing if you are really who you say you are or anything. And you shouldnt' have left your card there. You're not going to get anywhere trying to pursue lowes. You should have just cancelled the card straightaway as soon as they said you left it and requested a new one. My bank will overnight me a replacement card up to like twice a year for free. If yours doesn't, try getting a new bank. It's much cheaper for them to send you a new card than it is to waste their time chasing down fraudulent charges and tying up their money. If Lowes gave your card to a stranger it was likely because they asked the person if it was their card and they said yes. Thus there was very likely no crime committed by lowes. Proving that this was a conspiracy is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible. You have no recourse against lowes. You can file a police report for identity theft, but you have no damages because you aren't liable for the charges they made so there's nothing you can do beyond that. This is seriously not a big deal and if your bank tries to make it one, get a new bank yesterday. It's 2022 and credit cards get stolen thousands of times a day.","human_ref_B":"I understand why you\u2019re mad, but not this mad. Your CC company will reverse the charges. The couple of time someone skimmed or copied my CC and made some charges on it they immediately reversed all charges. I had a replacement card in two days. Lowe\u2019s will reprimand the employee who screwed up and you will be made whole again.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":760.0,"score_ratio":7.4318181818} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igec15j","c_root_id_B":"igeeqgb","created_at_utc_A":1657981488,"created_at_utc_B":1657982735,"score_A":43,"score_B":327,"human_ref_A":"As a former senior LP director for a retail giant, while this is frustrating, you are actually not the victim here, the CC issuing bank and \/ or Lowes are. Any fraudulent charges are not your responsibility (technically the FCBA says the first $50 can be, but most card issuers waive that). The police (depending on your location) may engage with store LP in the possibility that this was a known actor or an internal theft, but the actual complainant \/ victim would be the CC bank and \/ or Lowes. While there\u2019s unlikely to be any legal recourse for you, from a customer service standpoint I\u2019d imagine if you were calm and reasonable that they\u2019d likely offer a discount on your storm door for the hassle \/ inconvenience.","human_ref_B":"I understand why you\u2019re mad, but not this mad. Your CC company will reverse the charges. The couple of time someone skimmed or copied my CC and made some charges on it they immediately reversed all charges. I had a replacement card in two days. Lowe\u2019s will reprimand the employee who screwed up and you will be made whole again.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1247.0,"score_ratio":7.6046511628} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igee753","c_root_id_B":"igeeqgb","created_at_utc_A":1657982489,"created_at_utc_B":1657982735,"score_A":19,"score_B":327,"human_ref_A":"It is perfectly normal to feel violated and angry and want Lowes and the person who used your card to be held accountable. I\u2019ve had this happen to friends too. Lowes made a mistake, but at worst it\u2019s incompetence not a crime. Lowes might fire the employee, reprimand them, or do nothing. But that\u2019s entirely up to Lowes. You don\u2019t really have any control over that. That\u2019s frustrating but don\u2019t let your frustration and anger rule you. Just let Lowes do what Lowes does. The person who took your card and used it, unless they have an identical name (and also lost a card at that Lowes) or some other very strange coincidence, knew full well that it was not their card. They did commit a crime. You can and should report this crime to the police. You can and should also report it to your credit card company. But as others have said, you don\u2019t have any control over wether the police or card company will pursue this. They are only likely to pursue it if it\u2019s a high enough dollar amount or it fits into a larger fraud pattern or group they are investigating. Either way, my point is that you will feel much better and be happier as a person if you just let this go, enjoy the protections your card company gives you, and move on in life.","human_ref_B":"I understand why you\u2019re mad, but not this mad. Your CC company will reverse the charges. The couple of time someone skimmed or copied my CC and made some charges on it they immediately reversed all charges. I had a replacement card in two days. Lowe\u2019s will reprimand the employee who screwed up and you will be made whole again.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":246.0,"score_ratio":17.2105263158} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeeqgb","c_root_id_B":"igeene7","created_at_utc_A":1657982735,"created_at_utc_B":1657982696,"score_A":327,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"I understand why you\u2019re mad, but not this mad. Your CC company will reverse the charges. The couple of time someone skimmed or copied my CC and made some charges on it they immediately reversed all charges. I had a replacement card in two days. Lowe\u2019s will reprimand the employee who screwed up and you will be made whole again.","human_ref_B":"For future reference - whenever you loose a credit card the first thing you should do is call, or go to online account if available to you, and lock the card. I hope you have reported it to your ccc by now. They won't hold you to more than $50 of charges and usually they don't even hold you to that","labels":1,"seconds_difference":39.0,"score_ratio":25.1538461538} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige5arz","c_root_id_B":"ige0xd0","created_at_utc_A":1657978222,"created_at_utc_B":1657975901,"score_A":206,"score_B":149,"human_ref_A":"Why would you have recourse against Lowes? You\u2019re the one that lost your credit card in the first place\u2026 Contact your credit card issuer and treat it like a standard lost card case.","human_ref_B":"You need to immediately call your credit card issuer and ask to speak to the fraud department. Inform them what has happened. They will walk through all the recent transactions on the card. Be open and VERY HONEST about which transactions were fraudulent and which ones were not. (They will likely catch you if you lie, because they are very, very good at seeing your normal usage pattern. If the fraudulent transactions match your use pattern, they will investigate them more carefully.) This is a now thing, not a \u201con Monday morning\u201d thing. Trust me, the fraud department will be staffed on the weekend and at night. You may be liable for $50, but most issuers wave this as a courtesy. They will issue you a new card, and life will go on. Lowes messed up, but honestly, they are victims too. They either had an employee in on it, or the person was able to impersonate you. The merchants who accepted the card are going to eat the costs of doing so, because they did not validate identity. Lowes may not be defrauded monetarily by the person who stole your card, but they loose a lot of money over this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2321.0,"score_ratio":1.3825503356} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige0bi9","c_root_id_B":"ige5arz","created_at_utc_A":1657975565,"created_at_utc_B":1657978222,"score_A":93,"score_B":206,"human_ref_A":"You've reported the card stolen to your bank, and presumably told them which charges aren't legit, so you aren't responsible for them. In the end, you haven't sustained any damages, so there's nothing to sue Lowe's over. Your bank may be annoyed, but that's between your bank and Lowe's.","human_ref_B":"Why would you have recourse against Lowes? You\u2019re the one that lost your credit card in the first place\u2026 Contact your credit card issuer and treat it like a standard lost card case.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2657.0,"score_ratio":2.2150537634} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igduabr","c_root_id_B":"ige5arz","created_at_utc_A":1657971973,"created_at_utc_B":1657978222,"score_A":68,"score_B":206,"human_ref_A":"Well you should have cancelled your card the second you lost it. Your new course of action needs to be to call them immediately and tell them the story and do as they say.","human_ref_B":"Why would you have recourse against Lowes? You\u2019re the one that lost your credit card in the first place\u2026 Contact your credit card issuer and treat it like a standard lost card case.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6249.0,"score_ratio":3.0294117647} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige0bi9","c_root_id_B":"ige0xd0","created_at_utc_A":1657975565,"created_at_utc_B":1657975901,"score_A":93,"score_B":149,"human_ref_A":"You've reported the card stolen to your bank, and presumably told them which charges aren't legit, so you aren't responsible for them. In the end, you haven't sustained any damages, so there's nothing to sue Lowe's over. Your bank may be annoyed, but that's between your bank and Lowe's.","human_ref_B":"You need to immediately call your credit card issuer and ask to speak to the fraud department. Inform them what has happened. They will walk through all the recent transactions on the card. Be open and VERY HONEST about which transactions were fraudulent and which ones were not. (They will likely catch you if you lie, because they are very, very good at seeing your normal usage pattern. If the fraudulent transactions match your use pattern, they will investigate them more carefully.) This is a now thing, not a \u201con Monday morning\u201d thing. Trust me, the fraud department will be staffed on the weekend and at night. You may be liable for $50, but most issuers wave this as a courtesy. They will issue you a new card, and life will go on. Lowes messed up, but honestly, they are victims too. They either had an employee in on it, or the person was able to impersonate you. The merchants who accepted the card are going to eat the costs of doing so, because they did not validate identity. Lowes may not be defrauded monetarily by the person who stole your card, but they loose a lot of money over this.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":336.0,"score_ratio":1.6021505376} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige0xd0","c_root_id_B":"igduabr","created_at_utc_A":1657975901,"created_at_utc_B":1657971973,"score_A":149,"score_B":68,"human_ref_A":"You need to immediately call your credit card issuer and ask to speak to the fraud department. Inform them what has happened. They will walk through all the recent transactions on the card. Be open and VERY HONEST about which transactions were fraudulent and which ones were not. (They will likely catch you if you lie, because they are very, very good at seeing your normal usage pattern. If the fraudulent transactions match your use pattern, they will investigate them more carefully.) This is a now thing, not a \u201con Monday morning\u201d thing. Trust me, the fraud department will be staffed on the weekend and at night. You may be liable for $50, but most issuers wave this as a courtesy. They will issue you a new card, and life will go on. Lowes messed up, but honestly, they are victims too. They either had an employee in on it, or the person was able to impersonate you. The merchants who accepted the card are going to eat the costs of doing so, because they did not validate identity. Lowes may not be defrauded monetarily by the person who stole your card, but they loose a lot of money over this.","human_ref_B":"Well you should have cancelled your card the second you lost it. Your new course of action needs to be to call them immediately and tell them the story and do as they say.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3928.0,"score_ratio":2.1911764706} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"ige0bi9","c_root_id_B":"igduabr","created_at_utc_A":1657975565,"created_at_utc_B":1657971973,"score_A":93,"score_B":68,"human_ref_A":"You've reported the card stolen to your bank, and presumably told them which charges aren't legit, so you aren't responsible for them. In the end, you haven't sustained any damages, so there's nothing to sue Lowe's over. Your bank may be annoyed, but that's between your bank and Lowe's.","human_ref_B":"Well you should have cancelled your card the second you lost it. Your new course of action needs to be to call them immediately and tell them the story and do as they say.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3592.0,"score_ratio":1.3676470588} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igenkpb","c_root_id_B":"igepkrp","created_at_utc_A":1657986613,"created_at_utc_B":1657987466,"score_A":73,"score_B":93,"human_ref_A":"What are you hoping to get out of this situation? Your credit card will reverse the illegitimate charges. How have you been injured that you believe you have some legal claim against Lowe\u2019s?","human_ref_B":"I doubt that Lowes owes you any duty at all in this. The credit card is your responsibility, not Lowes. Not following policy is not going to be actionable by you. You left the card carelessly somewhere, that is your problem, not anyone else's. Contact the credit card company and let their fraud department go on from there. You may be liable for charges that occurred before you reported the card missing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":853.0,"score_ratio":1.2739726027} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igduabr","c_root_id_B":"igepkrp","created_at_utc_A":1657971973,"created_at_utc_B":1657987466,"score_A":68,"score_B":93,"human_ref_A":"Well you should have cancelled your card the second you lost it. Your new course of action needs to be to call them immediately and tell them the story and do as they say.","human_ref_B":"I doubt that Lowes owes you any duty at all in this. The credit card is your responsibility, not Lowes. Not following policy is not going to be actionable by you. You left the card carelessly somewhere, that is your problem, not anyone else's. Contact the credit card company and let their fraud department go on from there. You may be liable for charges that occurred before you reported the card missing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15493.0,"score_ratio":1.3676470588} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igepkrp","c_root_id_B":"iged2pp","created_at_utc_A":1657987466,"created_at_utc_B":1657981975,"score_A":93,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"I doubt that Lowes owes you any duty at all in this. The credit card is your responsibility, not Lowes. Not following policy is not going to be actionable by you. You left the card carelessly somewhere, that is your problem, not anyone else's. Contact the credit card company and let their fraud department go on from there. You may be liable for charges that occurred before you reported the card missing.","human_ref_B":"Not a big deal. It's a credit card. That's the banks money and not yours. This is a major reason why you should always use a credit card and never a debit card. You called the credit card company to cancel it. Just dispute the fraudulent charges. You're not liable for them since you didn't authorize them. File a police report if you want to be extra sure no one will hassle you. But if the bank hassles you over this then you should immediately get a new bank because this sort of stuff happens all the time and it's no big deal. Lowe's didn't do anything wrong. They're not responsible for your credit card. You are. They have no way of knowing if you are really who you say you are or anything. And you shouldnt' have left your card there. You're not going to get anywhere trying to pursue lowes. You should have just cancelled the card straightaway as soon as they said you left it and requested a new one. My bank will overnight me a replacement card up to like twice a year for free. If yours doesn't, try getting a new bank. It's much cheaper for them to send you a new card than it is to waste their time chasing down fraudulent charges and tying up their money. If Lowes gave your card to a stranger it was likely because they asked the person if it was their card and they said yes. Thus there was very likely no crime committed by lowes. Proving that this was a conspiracy is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible. You have no recourse against lowes. You can file a police report for identity theft, but you have no damages because you aren't liable for the charges they made so there's nothing you can do beyond that. This is seriously not a big deal and if your bank tries to make it one, get a new bank yesterday. It's 2022 and credit cards get stolen thousands of times a day.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5491.0,"score_ratio":2.1136363636} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igepkrp","c_root_id_B":"igec15j","created_at_utc_A":1657987466,"created_at_utc_B":1657981488,"score_A":93,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"I doubt that Lowes owes you any duty at all in this. The credit card is your responsibility, not Lowes. Not following policy is not going to be actionable by you. You left the card carelessly somewhere, that is your problem, not anyone else's. Contact the credit card company and let their fraud department go on from there. You may be liable for charges that occurred before you reported the card missing.","human_ref_B":"As a former senior LP director for a retail giant, while this is frustrating, you are actually not the victim here, the CC issuing bank and \/ or Lowes are. Any fraudulent charges are not your responsibility (technically the FCBA says the first $50 can be, but most card issuers waive that). The police (depending on your location) may engage with store LP in the possibility that this was a known actor or an internal theft, but the actual complainant \/ victim would be the CC bank and \/ or Lowes. While there\u2019s unlikely to be any legal recourse for you, from a customer service standpoint I\u2019d imagine if you were calm and reasonable that they\u2019d likely offer a discount on your storm door for the hassle \/ inconvenience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5978.0,"score_ratio":2.1627906977} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeohm9","c_root_id_B":"igepkrp","created_at_utc_A":1657987003,"created_at_utc_B":1657987466,"score_A":23,"score_B":93,"human_ref_A":"-File a police report concerning the stolen card and fraudulent charges -Report the card as stolen to the credit card company. -Give the credit card company the date and time of your last transaction, so they know what charges are fraudulent. Then let the credit card company deal with it. If there's recourse for Lowe's let the credit card company pursue it. In order for you to pursue anything against Lowe's you have to demonstrate damages or theft against you. If the credit card company isn't going to make you pay for the fraudulent charges, then the damages and theft aren't against you.","human_ref_B":"I doubt that Lowes owes you any duty at all in this. The credit card is your responsibility, not Lowes. Not following policy is not going to be actionable by you. You left the card carelessly somewhere, that is your problem, not anyone else's. Contact the credit card company and let their fraud department go on from there. You may be liable for charges that occurred before you reported the card missing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":463.0,"score_ratio":4.0434782609} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igepkrp","c_root_id_B":"igee753","created_at_utc_A":1657987466,"created_at_utc_B":1657982489,"score_A":93,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"I doubt that Lowes owes you any duty at all in this. The credit card is your responsibility, not Lowes. Not following policy is not going to be actionable by you. You left the card carelessly somewhere, that is your problem, not anyone else's. Contact the credit card company and let their fraud department go on from there. You may be liable for charges that occurred before you reported the card missing.","human_ref_B":"It is perfectly normal to feel violated and angry and want Lowes and the person who used your card to be held accountable. I\u2019ve had this happen to friends too. Lowes made a mistake, but at worst it\u2019s incompetence not a crime. Lowes might fire the employee, reprimand them, or do nothing. But that\u2019s entirely up to Lowes. You don\u2019t really have any control over that. That\u2019s frustrating but don\u2019t let your frustration and anger rule you. Just let Lowes do what Lowes does. The person who took your card and used it, unless they have an identical name (and also lost a card at that Lowes) or some other very strange coincidence, knew full well that it was not their card. They did commit a crime. You can and should report this crime to the police. You can and should also report it to your credit card company. But as others have said, you don\u2019t have any control over wether the police or card company will pursue this. They are only likely to pursue it if it\u2019s a high enough dollar amount or it fits into a larger fraud pattern or group they are investigating. Either way, my point is that you will feel much better and be happier as a person if you just let this go, enjoy the protections your card company gives you, and move on in life.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4977.0,"score_ratio":4.8947368421} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeene7","c_root_id_B":"igepkrp","created_at_utc_A":1657982696,"created_at_utc_B":1657987466,"score_A":13,"score_B":93,"human_ref_A":"For future reference - whenever you loose a credit card the first thing you should do is call, or go to online account if available to you, and lock the card. I hope you have reported it to your ccc by now. They won't hold you to more than $50 of charges and usually they don't even hold you to that","human_ref_B":"I doubt that Lowes owes you any duty at all in this. The credit card is your responsibility, not Lowes. Not following policy is not going to be actionable by you. You left the card carelessly somewhere, that is your problem, not anyone else's. Contact the credit card company and let their fraud department go on from there. You may be liable for charges that occurred before you reported the card missing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4770.0,"score_ratio":7.1538461538} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igenkpb","c_root_id_B":"igduabr","created_at_utc_A":1657986613,"created_at_utc_B":1657971973,"score_A":73,"score_B":68,"human_ref_A":"What are you hoping to get out of this situation? Your credit card will reverse the illegitimate charges. How have you been injured that you believe you have some legal claim against Lowe\u2019s?","human_ref_B":"Well you should have cancelled your card the second you lost it. Your new course of action needs to be to call them immediately and tell them the story and do as they say.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14640.0,"score_ratio":1.0735294118} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"iged2pp","c_root_id_B":"igenkpb","created_at_utc_A":1657981975,"created_at_utc_B":1657986613,"score_A":44,"score_B":73,"human_ref_A":"Not a big deal. It's a credit card. That's the banks money and not yours. This is a major reason why you should always use a credit card and never a debit card. You called the credit card company to cancel it. Just dispute the fraudulent charges. You're not liable for them since you didn't authorize them. File a police report if you want to be extra sure no one will hassle you. But if the bank hassles you over this then you should immediately get a new bank because this sort of stuff happens all the time and it's no big deal. Lowe's didn't do anything wrong. They're not responsible for your credit card. You are. They have no way of knowing if you are really who you say you are or anything. And you shouldnt' have left your card there. You're not going to get anywhere trying to pursue lowes. You should have just cancelled the card straightaway as soon as they said you left it and requested a new one. My bank will overnight me a replacement card up to like twice a year for free. If yours doesn't, try getting a new bank. It's much cheaper for them to send you a new card than it is to waste their time chasing down fraudulent charges and tying up their money. If Lowes gave your card to a stranger it was likely because they asked the person if it was their card and they said yes. Thus there was very likely no crime committed by lowes. Proving that this was a conspiracy is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible. You have no recourse against lowes. You can file a police report for identity theft, but you have no damages because you aren't liable for the charges they made so there's nothing you can do beyond that. This is seriously not a big deal and if your bank tries to make it one, get a new bank yesterday. It's 2022 and credit cards get stolen thousands of times a day.","human_ref_B":"What are you hoping to get out of this situation? Your credit card will reverse the illegitimate charges. How have you been injured that you believe you have some legal claim against Lowe\u2019s?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4638.0,"score_ratio":1.6590909091} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igec15j","c_root_id_B":"igenkpb","created_at_utc_A":1657981488,"created_at_utc_B":1657986613,"score_A":43,"score_B":73,"human_ref_A":"As a former senior LP director for a retail giant, while this is frustrating, you are actually not the victim here, the CC issuing bank and \/ or Lowes are. Any fraudulent charges are not your responsibility (technically the FCBA says the first $50 can be, but most card issuers waive that). The police (depending on your location) may engage with store LP in the possibility that this was a known actor or an internal theft, but the actual complainant \/ victim would be the CC bank and \/ or Lowes. While there\u2019s unlikely to be any legal recourse for you, from a customer service standpoint I\u2019d imagine if you were calm and reasonable that they\u2019d likely offer a discount on your storm door for the hassle \/ inconvenience.","human_ref_B":"What are you hoping to get out of this situation? Your credit card will reverse the illegitimate charges. How have you been injured that you believe you have some legal claim against Lowe\u2019s?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5125.0,"score_ratio":1.6976744186} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igenkpb","c_root_id_B":"igee753","created_at_utc_A":1657986613,"created_at_utc_B":1657982489,"score_A":73,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"What are you hoping to get out of this situation? Your credit card will reverse the illegitimate charges. How have you been injured that you believe you have some legal claim against Lowe\u2019s?","human_ref_B":"It is perfectly normal to feel violated and angry and want Lowes and the person who used your card to be held accountable. I\u2019ve had this happen to friends too. Lowes made a mistake, but at worst it\u2019s incompetence not a crime. Lowes might fire the employee, reprimand them, or do nothing. But that\u2019s entirely up to Lowes. You don\u2019t really have any control over that. That\u2019s frustrating but don\u2019t let your frustration and anger rule you. Just let Lowes do what Lowes does. The person who took your card and used it, unless they have an identical name (and also lost a card at that Lowes) or some other very strange coincidence, knew full well that it was not their card. They did commit a crime. You can and should report this crime to the police. You can and should also report it to your credit card company. But as others have said, you don\u2019t have any control over wether the police or card company will pursue this. They are only likely to pursue it if it\u2019s a high enough dollar amount or it fits into a larger fraud pattern or group they are investigating. Either way, my point is that you will feel much better and be happier as a person if you just let this go, enjoy the protections your card company gives you, and move on in life.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4124.0,"score_ratio":3.8421052632} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeene7","c_root_id_B":"igenkpb","created_at_utc_A":1657982696,"created_at_utc_B":1657986613,"score_A":13,"score_B":73,"human_ref_A":"For future reference - whenever you loose a credit card the first thing you should do is call, or go to online account if available to you, and lock the card. I hope you have reported it to your ccc by now. They won't hold you to more than $50 of charges and usually they don't even hold you to that","human_ref_B":"What are you hoping to get out of this situation? Your credit card will reverse the illegitimate charges. How have you been injured that you believe you have some legal claim against Lowe\u2019s?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3917.0,"score_ratio":5.6153846154} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igec15j","c_root_id_B":"iged2pp","created_at_utc_A":1657981488,"created_at_utc_B":1657981975,"score_A":43,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"As a former senior LP director for a retail giant, while this is frustrating, you are actually not the victim here, the CC issuing bank and \/ or Lowes are. Any fraudulent charges are not your responsibility (technically the FCBA says the first $50 can be, but most card issuers waive that). The police (depending on your location) may engage with store LP in the possibility that this was a known actor or an internal theft, but the actual complainant \/ victim would be the CC bank and \/ or Lowes. While there\u2019s unlikely to be any legal recourse for you, from a customer service standpoint I\u2019d imagine if you were calm and reasonable that they\u2019d likely offer a discount on your storm door for the hassle \/ inconvenience.","human_ref_B":"Not a big deal. It's a credit card. That's the banks money and not yours. This is a major reason why you should always use a credit card and never a debit card. You called the credit card company to cancel it. Just dispute the fraudulent charges. You're not liable for them since you didn't authorize them. File a police report if you want to be extra sure no one will hassle you. But if the bank hassles you over this then you should immediately get a new bank because this sort of stuff happens all the time and it's no big deal. Lowe's didn't do anything wrong. They're not responsible for your credit card. You are. They have no way of knowing if you are really who you say you are or anything. And you shouldnt' have left your card there. You're not going to get anywhere trying to pursue lowes. You should have just cancelled the card straightaway as soon as they said you left it and requested a new one. My bank will overnight me a replacement card up to like twice a year for free. If yours doesn't, try getting a new bank. It's much cheaper for them to send you a new card than it is to waste their time chasing down fraudulent charges and tying up their money. If Lowes gave your card to a stranger it was likely because they asked the person if it was their card and they said yes. Thus there was very likely no crime committed by lowes. Proving that this was a conspiracy is going to be extremely difficult if not impossible. You have no recourse against lowes. You can file a police report for identity theft, but you have no damages because you aren't liable for the charges they made so there's nothing you can do beyond that. This is seriously not a big deal and if your bank tries to make it one, get a new bank yesterday. It's 2022 and credit cards get stolen thousands of times a day.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":487.0,"score_ratio":1.023255814} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeohm9","c_root_id_B":"igee753","created_at_utc_A":1657987003,"created_at_utc_B":1657982489,"score_A":23,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"-File a police report concerning the stolen card and fraudulent charges -Report the card as stolen to the credit card company. -Give the credit card company the date and time of your last transaction, so they know what charges are fraudulent. Then let the credit card company deal with it. If there's recourse for Lowe's let the credit card company pursue it. In order for you to pursue anything against Lowe's you have to demonstrate damages or theft against you. If the credit card company isn't going to make you pay for the fraudulent charges, then the damages and theft aren't against you.","human_ref_B":"It is perfectly normal to feel violated and angry and want Lowes and the person who used your card to be held accountable. I\u2019ve had this happen to friends too. Lowes made a mistake, but at worst it\u2019s incompetence not a crime. Lowes might fire the employee, reprimand them, or do nothing. But that\u2019s entirely up to Lowes. You don\u2019t really have any control over that. That\u2019s frustrating but don\u2019t let your frustration and anger rule you. Just let Lowes do what Lowes does. The person who took your card and used it, unless they have an identical name (and also lost a card at that Lowes) or some other very strange coincidence, knew full well that it was not their card. They did commit a crime. You can and should report this crime to the police. You can and should also report it to your credit card company. But as others have said, you don\u2019t have any control over wether the police or card company will pursue this. They are only likely to pursue it if it\u2019s a high enough dollar amount or it fits into a larger fraud pattern or group they are investigating. Either way, my point is that you will feel much better and be happier as a person if you just let this go, enjoy the protections your card company gives you, and move on in life.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4514.0,"score_ratio":1.2105263158} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeohm9","c_root_id_B":"igeene7","created_at_utc_A":1657987003,"created_at_utc_B":1657982696,"score_A":23,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"-File a police report concerning the stolen card and fraudulent charges -Report the card as stolen to the credit card company. -Give the credit card company the date and time of your last transaction, so they know what charges are fraudulent. Then let the credit card company deal with it. If there's recourse for Lowe's let the credit card company pursue it. In order for you to pursue anything against Lowe's you have to demonstrate damages or theft against you. If the credit card company isn't going to make you pay for the fraudulent charges, then the damages and theft aren't against you.","human_ref_B":"For future reference - whenever you loose a credit card the first thing you should do is call, or go to online account if available to you, and lock the card. I hope you have reported it to your ccc by now. They won't hold you to more than $50 of charges and usually they don't even hold you to that","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4307.0,"score_ratio":1.7692307692} {"post_id":"w0ede1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Virginia] Left my credit card at Lowe\u2019s only to discover when I went to pick it back up they gave it to a complete stranger who\u2019s since racked up almost $1300 in charges. So the title kinda explains my problem but here\u2019s the story. At around 11:30 yesterday I went to a local Lowe\u2019s to exchange a storm door. After getting a little frustrated at their system telling me an item was in stock at their store when it wasn\u2019t I accidentally left my CC on their Customer Service counter. At 11:52 the lady that helped me contacted me to inform me that I had left my card and I could speak to a manager to retrieve it. I told her that either my wife or I would be there to pick it up. I returned to Lowe\u2019s that afternoon at around 4:25 and after them searching and searching and reviewing the cameras they came to the realization that they gave my card to a complete and total stranger. I didn\u2019t hold my composure very well but made no threats or destroyed anything, just screamed in anger. After leaving I called that store and spoke with the manager and asked what their policy was for returning a lost card to a customer. He goes through the usual mumbo jumbo about how they make sure to put the card in a secure location and that when the customer comes to retrieve the card they make sure to validate that the card belongs to the customer via ID. When I asked why they gave my card to a complete and total stranger they had no words. I\u2019m waiting for the official store manager to arrive so I can speak to them. I\u2019m already working with the police as to the person that has my card, but I\u2019m wondering if there\u2019s any legal action I can take against Lowe\u2019s. Any advice would be appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"igeus6b","c_root_id_B":"igeene7","created_at_utc_A":1657989667,"created_at_utc_B":1657982696,"score_A":14,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Cancel the card and ask for them to send you a new one with a new number. Tell then what happened at lowes the store number and the address. They will cancel all the charges and address the issue with the store. If the credit card company wants to press charges it would be to cover the damages they inccur since there are federal protections that make the credit card company cover the charge. The card company usually has a merchant agreement with the store so the store covers the loss.","human_ref_B":"For future reference - whenever you loose a credit card the first thing you should do is call, or go to online account if available to you, and lock the card. I hope you have reported it to your ccc by now. They won't hold you to more than $50 of charges and usually they don't even hold you to that","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6971.0,"score_ratio":1.0769230769} {"post_id":"4tnsx4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"CA - Buying a house, neighbors we will be sharing a fence with decided to tear the entire fence down and begin installing a new one today without telling us or the Sellers and they expect one of us to pay half. Hi r\/legaladvice! So - We are halfway done with the purchase of this home and suddenly today we get am e-mail from our realtor basically saying what I advised in the title. Neither the sellers or us are interested in paying hundreds of dollars for a fence to be re-done when we did not have the option of discussing who the contractor would be or seeing the report they got showing it was required to be replaced. The home inspection we had done did not say that this particular fence needs to be replaced. They tore it all down and then e-mailed the realtor selling the home saying how much it would be and that we could \"prop it up\" if needed for a bit but it will need to be re-done, period. They attached pictures of the fence posts on the ground in a pile showing it was already started, and the posts are completely destroyed so I'm not sure what they are talking about \"propping up\". Again, the sellers were not advised of this and had no idea the neighbors were going to be doing this, just as we didn't, until today when it began. Am I obligated to pay? Are the sellers? Can we both just tell them NO and make them complete the installation out of their own pocket? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"d5irv4k","c_root_id_B":"d5is18b","created_at_utc_A":1468967062,"created_at_utc_B":1468967294,"score_A":16,"score_B":121,"human_ref_A":"So who owns the fence? Whose property is this on? Is this a fence in common?","human_ref_B":"you ARE using a real estate attorney on the sale right? If not, time to find one! My attitude: it's their property, their problem. And you need to know 100% for sure if it's a common fence or not. EDIT TO ADD: This is a major red flag in general. Do you want neighbors like this? Bad neighbors can make you life hell (read this sub for a week if you want proof). If this isn't your dream house, and you don't have a deposit down, consider walking away.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":232.0,"score_ratio":7.5625} {"post_id":"4tnsx4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"CA - Buying a house, neighbors we will be sharing a fence with decided to tear the entire fence down and begin installing a new one today without telling us or the Sellers and they expect one of us to pay half. Hi r\/legaladvice! So - We are halfway done with the purchase of this home and suddenly today we get am e-mail from our realtor basically saying what I advised in the title. Neither the sellers or us are interested in paying hundreds of dollars for a fence to be re-done when we did not have the option of discussing who the contractor would be or seeing the report they got showing it was required to be replaced. The home inspection we had done did not say that this particular fence needs to be replaced. They tore it all down and then e-mailed the realtor selling the home saying how much it would be and that we could \"prop it up\" if needed for a bit but it will need to be re-done, period. They attached pictures of the fence posts on the ground in a pile showing it was already started, and the posts are completely destroyed so I'm not sure what they are talking about \"propping up\". Again, the sellers were not advised of this and had no idea the neighbors were going to be doing this, just as we didn't, until today when it began. Am I obligated to pay? Are the sellers? Can we both just tell them NO and make them complete the installation out of their own pocket? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"d5irv4k","c_root_id_B":"d5isfvb","created_at_utc_A":1468967062,"created_at_utc_B":1468967847,"score_A":16,"score_B":107,"human_ref_A":"So who owns the fence? Whose property is this on? Is this a fence in common?","human_ref_B":"As far as paying for the fence, tell them to get fucked. You didn't authorize any work to be done on the fence. If it's on their side it's not your problem. If it's on your side, they just destroyed your fence and are now liable for fixing it. Either way, you don't owe them a single dime.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":785.0,"score_ratio":6.6875} {"post_id":"4tnsx4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"CA - Buying a house, neighbors we will be sharing a fence with decided to tear the entire fence down and begin installing a new one today without telling us or the Sellers and they expect one of us to pay half. Hi r\/legaladvice! So - We are halfway done with the purchase of this home and suddenly today we get am e-mail from our realtor basically saying what I advised in the title. Neither the sellers or us are interested in paying hundreds of dollars for a fence to be re-done when we did not have the option of discussing who the contractor would be or seeing the report they got showing it was required to be replaced. The home inspection we had done did not say that this particular fence needs to be replaced. They tore it all down and then e-mailed the realtor selling the home saying how much it would be and that we could \"prop it up\" if needed for a bit but it will need to be re-done, period. They attached pictures of the fence posts on the ground in a pile showing it was already started, and the posts are completely destroyed so I'm not sure what they are talking about \"propping up\". Again, the sellers were not advised of this and had no idea the neighbors were going to be doing this, just as we didn't, until today when it began. Am I obligated to pay? Are the sellers? Can we both just tell them NO and make them complete the installation out of their own pocket? Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"d5irv4k","c_root_id_B":"d5ivjto","created_at_utc_A":1468967062,"created_at_utc_B":1468972297,"score_A":16,"score_B":102,"human_ref_A":"So who owns the fence? Whose property is this on? Is this a fence in common?","human_ref_B":"California Good Neighbor Fence Act - 2013 http:\/\/www.eliaser.com\/californias-new-good-neighbor-fence-law\/ http:\/\/kjtlaw.com\/the-good-neighbor-fence-act-of-2013\/ Because the act requires written notice to the neighbor *before* work starts, I wonder if the previous owner got the written notice and failed to disclose it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5235.0,"score_ratio":6.375} {"post_id":"vq6t4q","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"I'm threaten to be sued by the grown kids of my customer? I do pest control services and one of them is Rodent Exclusions (seal up entry points to keep rodents from coming in and trap what already is inside). I've been very successful because of my background in structural repairs combined with my expertise in pest control, and have successfully fixed each project I've taken. I'm highly reviewed and don't even spend a dollar in ads because I have huge clientele that keeps recommending me. Now this house was heavily infested like many before, rodent droppings everywhere and major damage to the PEX plumbing etc... I did per the contract, all those repairs, and provided a one year warranty like before. 2 weeks later, all activity had stopped and for me it was another day at work with a happy client like before. Later, however, they reappeared and once again chew on his plumbing. I returned, and noticed new entry points and I repaired them at no additional cost but it kept going for months The homeowner, though, frustrated with the rats coming back and chewing up his plumbing, understood that I was trying my best and was very reasonable. I felt embarrassment and often was stressed out, up all night about not being able to fix it, but per the warranty I kept on coming back and not charging any dollar more. I charged 2,700 and spent over 4,000 trying to fix it until the daughter called my receptionist threatening to sue because she felt we took advantage of her father. I couldn't even eat for days but once we talked and explained the situation, she just asked full refund and I agreed. I did tell her (per advise), that I would send a covenant\\* and release form, and once her father signed under the presence of a notary, I would issue the check. She was satisfied and even apologized for the earlier tone. She contacted me daily for 3-4 days, until I finally had it drafted and sent it. But she never sent it back since April and at first I thought they were moving forward with a lawsuit because they were blaming me for the plumbing damage. Later I thought maybe the homeowner didn't even know about it ( he had provided a home line and never could contact him again). But months passed by until now, his son has called asking for the refund check (no signed docs have been sent back). Also, this guy called me after hours, drunk, asking for money because he believed I left his fathers home gate open and when he came with his dog, he got out and his dog got run over by a car. The business day after, I called and his father was unaware, said his gate was faulty, and that his son's dog had been fine. The son never called again until now. Now, despite my best efforts, I believe, I own the homeowner a refund because I didn't fix his problem. But his grown kids, seem like they are acting on their own trying to get money from me. I haven't responded to the son's calls yet. I don't know what to make of it. I don't want to give him any money or to the daughter. If Mr. homeowner called me, I would give him a full refund, but otherwise, I don't if I should ignore them, respond, or get an attorney. In the meantime, it's causing me a lot of stress. I am an LLC, I have insurance, and I have not done anything outside of the contract. What should I do?","c_root_id_A":"ienmza3","c_root_id_B":"ieno2rb","created_at_utc_A":1656818657,"created_at_utc_B":1656819252,"score_A":30,"score_B":48,"human_ref_A":"Does the homeowner know his kids are demanding a refund and that you sent documents to be signed?","human_ref_B":"You don't have a business relationship with the daughter or the son. They wouldn't even have standing to sue you: \"You ripped off my dad\" is not a cause of action. The homeowner is your customer. Interact with him. Call him up on Tuesday and ask for the return of the covenant and release so you can refund his money. If this is causing you so much stress that you're losing sleep, you could offer to swing by his house with the document and a cashier's check. It's nice that his kids are looking out for him, but absent powers of attorney or a conservatorship, they don't have any way to conduct business on his behalf. In the future, you should probably let your lawyer handle anyone who calls you every day (if you're unwilling to tell them to fuck off). You can't run a business at your best if you let one deranged nuisance of a human being cause you so much stress and grief.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":595.0,"score_ratio":1.6} {"post_id":"4o062q","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"[NSW Australia] My wife and I conceived a child through IVF, the baby came out black and the IVF clinic is telling us that they might have given us another couple's fertilised egg First off, my head is all over the place writing this and I'm sorry if I make any mistakes. I'm 45 and my wife is 42, we (for reasons we will not expand upon) have had trouble conceiving a child and decided last year to try IVF. Long story short, my wife gave birth last week to a healthy black baby boy. I am white, my wife is white, we have no black ancestors. We approached the IVF clinic and they admitted reluctantly that they could have mixed up the eggs (???) and implanted another woman's fertilised egg into my wife. This means that the baby may not be biologically ours. I love my son as does my wife and we both consider him to be our child, but we're worried that his biological mother (who is probably struggling with her fertility) will want to claim our child. We're seeing a lawyer on Thursday, in the mean time could you tell us if there is any way the other parents would be able to claim our child? Should we make an effort to contact them? My wife bore our son, so isn't she technically his mother too?","c_root_id_A":"d48i208","c_root_id_B":"d48lxfu","created_at_utc_A":1465891778,"created_at_utc_B":1465904328,"score_A":455,"score_B":709,"human_ref_A":"This is way, way beyond the internet being able to help. A quick google and database search shows that there is no relevant case law (that I can find at least) that applies here, meaning that what gets decided woth you might effect any people who have similar situations in the future.","human_ref_B":"This looks positive for you. It's section 14 of the NSW Status of Children Act 1996. Tell your lawyers about it, it's rather obscure. Presumptions of parentage arising out of use of fertilisation procedures (1) When a married woman has undergone a fertilisation procedure as a result of which she becomes pregnant: (a) her husband is presumed to be the father of any child born as a result of the pregnancy even if he did not provide any or all of the sperm used in the procedure, but only if he consented to the procedure, and (b) the woman is presumed to be the mother of any child born as a result of the pregnancy even if she did not provide the ovum used in the procedure. (1A) When a woman who is the de facto partner of another woman has undergone a fertilisation procedure as a result of which she becomes pregnant: (a) the other woman is presumed to be a parent of any child born as a result of the pregnancy, but only if the other woman consented to the procedure, and (b) the woman who has become pregnant is presumed to be the mother of any child born as a result of the pregnancy even if she did not provide the ovum used in the procedure. Note. \u201cDe facto partner\u201d is defined in section 21C of the Interpretation Act 1987. (2) If a woman (whether married or unmarried) becomes pregnant by means of a fertilisation procedure using any sperm obtained from a man who is not her husband, that man is presumed not to be the father of any child born as a result of the pregnancy. (3) If a woman (whether married or unmarried) becomes pregnant by means of a fertilisation procedure using an ovum obtained from another woman, that other woman is presumed not to be the mother of any child born as a result of the pregnancy. This subsection does not affect the presumption arising under subsection (1A) (a). (4) Any presumption arising under subsections (1)\u2013(3) is irrebuttable.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12550.0,"score_ratio":1.5582417582} {"post_id":"4o062q","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"[NSW Australia] My wife and I conceived a child through IVF, the baby came out black and the IVF clinic is telling us that they might have given us another couple's fertilised egg First off, my head is all over the place writing this and I'm sorry if I make any mistakes. I'm 45 and my wife is 42, we (for reasons we will not expand upon) have had trouble conceiving a child and decided last year to try IVF. Long story short, my wife gave birth last week to a healthy black baby boy. I am white, my wife is white, we have no black ancestors. We approached the IVF clinic and they admitted reluctantly that they could have mixed up the eggs (???) and implanted another woman's fertilised egg into my wife. This means that the baby may not be biologically ours. I love my son as does my wife and we both consider him to be our child, but we're worried that his biological mother (who is probably struggling with her fertility) will want to claim our child. We're seeing a lawyer on Thursday, in the mean time could you tell us if there is any way the other parents would be able to claim our child? Should we make an effort to contact them? My wife bore our son, so isn't she technically his mother too?","c_root_id_A":"d48lxfu","c_root_id_B":"d48lbgf","created_at_utc_A":1465904328,"created_at_utc_B":1465902672,"score_A":709,"score_B":132,"human_ref_A":"This looks positive for you. It's section 14 of the NSW Status of Children Act 1996. Tell your lawyers about it, it's rather obscure. Presumptions of parentage arising out of use of fertilisation procedures (1) When a married woman has undergone a fertilisation procedure as a result of which she becomes pregnant: (a) her husband is presumed to be the father of any child born as a result of the pregnancy even if he did not provide any or all of the sperm used in the procedure, but only if he consented to the procedure, and (b) the woman is presumed to be the mother of any child born as a result of the pregnancy even if she did not provide the ovum used in the procedure. (1A) When a woman who is the de facto partner of another woman has undergone a fertilisation procedure as a result of which she becomes pregnant: (a) the other woman is presumed to be a parent of any child born as a result of the pregnancy, but only if the other woman consented to the procedure, and (b) the woman who has become pregnant is presumed to be the mother of any child born as a result of the pregnancy even if she did not provide the ovum used in the procedure. Note. \u201cDe facto partner\u201d is defined in section 21C of the Interpretation Act 1987. (2) If a woman (whether married or unmarried) becomes pregnant by means of a fertilisation procedure using any sperm obtained from a man who is not her husband, that man is presumed not to be the father of any child born as a result of the pregnancy. (3) If a woman (whether married or unmarried) becomes pregnant by means of a fertilisation procedure using an ovum obtained from another woman, that other woman is presumed not to be the mother of any child born as a result of the pregnancy. This subsection does not affect the presumption arising under subsection (1A) (a). (4) Any presumption arising under subsections (1)\u2013(3) is irrebuttable.","human_ref_B":"I have read stories of this happening before, even with a black child coming out of white family. But seems they all settle before court so not to many court cases, let alone anything from AU. The other thing to also think about and have the lawyer look into is where are your eggs? Could be you and your wife have a child out there as well. That and if this happened to you how many others has it happened to?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1656.0,"score_ratio":5.3712121212} {"post_id":"4o062q","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"[NSW Australia] My wife and I conceived a child through IVF, the baby came out black and the IVF clinic is telling us that they might have given us another couple's fertilised egg First off, my head is all over the place writing this and I'm sorry if I make any mistakes. I'm 45 and my wife is 42, we (for reasons we will not expand upon) have had trouble conceiving a child and decided last year to try IVF. Long story short, my wife gave birth last week to a healthy black baby boy. I am white, my wife is white, we have no black ancestors. We approached the IVF clinic and they admitted reluctantly that they could have mixed up the eggs (???) and implanted another woman's fertilised egg into my wife. This means that the baby may not be biologically ours. I love my son as does my wife and we both consider him to be our child, but we're worried that his biological mother (who is probably struggling with her fertility) will want to claim our child. We're seeing a lawyer on Thursday, in the mean time could you tell us if there is any way the other parents would be able to claim our child? Should we make an effort to contact them? My wife bore our son, so isn't she technically his mother too?","c_root_id_A":"d48o0yl","c_root_id_B":"d48ocku","created_at_utc_A":1465908939,"created_at_utc_B":1465909549,"score_A":11,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"This will probably be a precedent setting and newsworthy case. The bad thing about that is there's no easy answer and you'll need a lawyer. The good thing is it's such an interesting case you can probably get someone to take it pro bono just for the publicity. Every lawyer would love to see their name attached to all the news articles about this. If a prospective lawyer doesn't immediately see that about your case, move on. The guy is an idiot.","human_ref_B":"When you say the clinic mixed up the eggs, did they also mix up your sperm? Could this child be biologically yours and not your wifes?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":610.0,"score_ratio":3.8181818182} {"post_id":"4o062q","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"[NSW Australia] My wife and I conceived a child through IVF, the baby came out black and the IVF clinic is telling us that they might have given us another couple's fertilised egg First off, my head is all over the place writing this and I'm sorry if I make any mistakes. I'm 45 and my wife is 42, we (for reasons we will not expand upon) have had trouble conceiving a child and decided last year to try IVF. Long story short, my wife gave birth last week to a healthy black baby boy. I am white, my wife is white, we have no black ancestors. We approached the IVF clinic and they admitted reluctantly that they could have mixed up the eggs (???) and implanted another woman's fertilised egg into my wife. This means that the baby may not be biologically ours. I love my son as does my wife and we both consider him to be our child, but we're worried that his biological mother (who is probably struggling with her fertility) will want to claim our child. We're seeing a lawyer on Thursday, in the mean time could you tell us if there is any way the other parents would be able to claim our child? Should we make an effort to contact them? My wife bore our son, so isn't she technically his mother too?","c_root_id_A":"d48os65","c_root_id_B":"d48xgkz","created_at_utc_A":1465910326,"created_at_utc_B":1465922200,"score_A":16,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"It appears you are irrefutably presumed to be the parents of your child under New South Wales Law: (1) When a married woman has undergone a fertilisation procedure as a result of which she becomes pregnant: (a) her husband is presumed to be the father of any child born as a result of the pregnancy even if he did not provide any or all of the sperm used in the procedure, but only if he consented to the procedure, and (b) the woman is presumed to be the mother of any child born as a result of the pregnancy even if she did not provide the ovum used in the procedure. ... (2) If a woman (whether married or unmarried) becomes pregnant by means of a fertilisation procedure using any sperm obtained from a man who is not her husband, that man is presumed not to be the father of any child born as a result of the pregnancy. (3) If a woman (whether married or unmarried) becomes pregnant by means of a fertilisation procedure using an ovum obtained from another woman, that other woman is presumed not to be the mother of any child born as a result of the pregnancy. This subsection does not affect the presumption arising under subsection (1A) (a). (4) Any presumption arising under subsections (1)-(3) is irrefutable. Source: New South Wales Consolidated Acts, STATUS OF CHILDREN ACT 1996 - SECT 14 Congratulations on your baby! I still strongly recommend meeting with that lawyer - I'm not Australian. At common law, this would be much more complicated. This situation has arisen before in the context of surrogacy arrangements in other countries. For example, in Johnson v. Calvert 851 P.2d 776 (Cal. 1993), a gestational surrogate (i.e. birth mother) with no genetic relation to the child tried to keep the child, losing custody only because of the intention to relinquish the child expressed in the surrogacy agreement. In re Baby M, 537 A.2d 1227 (N.J. 1988) the court refused to enforce an international surrogacy agreement entered into by a birth mother who was also the egg donor. You can read about these case here: https:\/\/digital.law.washington.edu\/dspace-law\/bitstream\/handle\/1773.1\/1413\/89wlr1155.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y","human_ref_B":"Makes you wonder how often this actually happens when it is not caught by the obvious racial differences. Are DNA tests common after IVF babies are born?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11874.0,"score_ratio":1.4375} {"post_id":"4o062q","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"[NSW Australia] My wife and I conceived a child through IVF, the baby came out black and the IVF clinic is telling us that they might have given us another couple's fertilised egg First off, my head is all over the place writing this and I'm sorry if I make any mistakes. I'm 45 and my wife is 42, we (for reasons we will not expand upon) have had trouble conceiving a child and decided last year to try IVF. Long story short, my wife gave birth last week to a healthy black baby boy. I am white, my wife is white, we have no black ancestors. We approached the IVF clinic and they admitted reluctantly that they could have mixed up the eggs (???) and implanted another woman's fertilised egg into my wife. This means that the baby may not be biologically ours. I love my son as does my wife and we both consider him to be our child, but we're worried that his biological mother (who is probably struggling with her fertility) will want to claim our child. We're seeing a lawyer on Thursday, in the mean time could you tell us if there is any way the other parents would be able to claim our child? Should we make an effort to contact them? My wife bore our son, so isn't she technically his mother too?","c_root_id_A":"d48o0yl","c_root_id_B":"d48xgkz","created_at_utc_A":1465908939,"created_at_utc_B":1465922200,"score_A":11,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"This will probably be a precedent setting and newsworthy case. The bad thing about that is there's no easy answer and you'll need a lawyer. The good thing is it's such an interesting case you can probably get someone to take it pro bono just for the publicity. Every lawyer would love to see their name attached to all the news articles about this. If a prospective lawyer doesn't immediately see that about your case, move on. The guy is an idiot.","human_ref_B":"Makes you wonder how often this actually happens when it is not caught by the obvious racial differences. Are DNA tests common after IVF babies are born?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13261.0,"score_ratio":2.0909090909} {"post_id":"4o062q","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"[NSW Australia] My wife and I conceived a child through IVF, the baby came out black and the IVF clinic is telling us that they might have given us another couple's fertilised egg First off, my head is all over the place writing this and I'm sorry if I make any mistakes. I'm 45 and my wife is 42, we (for reasons we will not expand upon) have had trouble conceiving a child and decided last year to try IVF. Long story short, my wife gave birth last week to a healthy black baby boy. I am white, my wife is white, we have no black ancestors. We approached the IVF clinic and they admitted reluctantly that they could have mixed up the eggs (???) and implanted another woman's fertilised egg into my wife. This means that the baby may not be biologically ours. I love my son as does my wife and we both consider him to be our child, but we're worried that his biological mother (who is probably struggling with her fertility) will want to claim our child. We're seeing a lawyer on Thursday, in the mean time could you tell us if there is any way the other parents would be able to claim our child? Should we make an effort to contact them? My wife bore our son, so isn't she technically his mother too?","c_root_id_A":"d48os65","c_root_id_B":"d48o0yl","created_at_utc_A":1465910326,"created_at_utc_B":1465908939,"score_A":16,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"It appears you are irrefutably presumed to be the parents of your child under New South Wales Law: (1) When a married woman has undergone a fertilisation procedure as a result of which she becomes pregnant: (a) her husband is presumed to be the father of any child born as a result of the pregnancy even if he did not provide any or all of the sperm used in the procedure, but only if he consented to the procedure, and (b) the woman is presumed to be the mother of any child born as a result of the pregnancy even if she did not provide the ovum used in the procedure. ... (2) If a woman (whether married or unmarried) becomes pregnant by means of a fertilisation procedure using any sperm obtained from a man who is not her husband, that man is presumed not to be the father of any child born as a result of the pregnancy. (3) If a woman (whether married or unmarried) becomes pregnant by means of a fertilisation procedure using an ovum obtained from another woman, that other woman is presumed not to be the mother of any child born as a result of the pregnancy. This subsection does not affect the presumption arising under subsection (1A) (a). (4) Any presumption arising under subsections (1)-(3) is irrefutable. Source: New South Wales Consolidated Acts, STATUS OF CHILDREN ACT 1996 - SECT 14 Congratulations on your baby! I still strongly recommend meeting with that lawyer - I'm not Australian. At common law, this would be much more complicated. This situation has arisen before in the context of surrogacy arrangements in other countries. For example, in Johnson v. Calvert 851 P.2d 776 (Cal. 1993), a gestational surrogate (i.e. birth mother) with no genetic relation to the child tried to keep the child, losing custody only because of the intention to relinquish the child expressed in the surrogacy agreement. In re Baby M, 537 A.2d 1227 (N.J. 1988) the court refused to enforce an international surrogacy agreement entered into by a birth mother who was also the egg donor. You can read about these case here: https:\/\/digital.law.washington.edu\/dspace-law\/bitstream\/handle\/1773.1\/1413\/89wlr1155.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y","human_ref_B":"This will probably be a precedent setting and newsworthy case. The bad thing about that is there's no easy answer and you'll need a lawyer. The good thing is it's such an interesting case you can probably get someone to take it pro bono just for the publicity. Every lawyer would love to see their name attached to all the news articles about this. If a prospective lawyer doesn't immediately see that about your case, move on. The guy is an idiot.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1387.0,"score_ratio":1.4545454545} {"post_id":"xdjvp2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Sold my boat and the buyer wants to sue me [WA] So I sold a boat that I used to live on and it was still in the water at a marina. They showed up looked at it. They heard it run and I put it in gear for them and moved it forwards and backwards. but in my ad I said no test rides and in the messages as well since the tabs were expired. They ended up buying it for less then half my asking price. About $4k they signed the title and filled out a simple bill of sale. Now it\u2019s been over two weeks and they have had to replace the outdrive and something went wrong with the engine apparently. They are now wanting to sue me for 8k or something including repairs and lawyer fees or whatever. From my understanding my state is a private party as-is for sales. I didn\u2019t hide anything about the boat but that\u2019s what they are going with in the legal sense. Should I be worried at all?","c_root_id_A":"iodg61s","c_root_id_B":"iof62st","created_at_utc_A":1663146575,"created_at_utc_B":1663175851,"score_A":5,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"What does the bill of sale say? Ideally, you want to include the as-is on that, even though it is indeed the default if it isn't stated for a used vehicle. Well, a used motor vehicle but I'd assume the same applies to a boat.","human_ref_B":"Block and ignore. Make sure you file a copy of the bill of sale with whatever agency in your state deals with boat registration. This is a fairly common thing that people try to pull: They buy something knowing that they're taking the risk, and then threaten to sue the seller under some sort of BS reasoning, with the idea of squeezing the seller for some more money. It happens a lot with cars (because a lot more cars are sold with boats), but no reason it can't happen with boats. Should you be worried? On a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being nothing, and 10 being \"you're really in trouble,\" I guess you're at about a 2. 95% of people who threaten to sue don't ever do so. And, if this guy DOES actually sue, your answer is \"Your honor, this was a used boat that is out of registration. That's an as-is sale.\"","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29276.0,"score_ratio":1.4} {"post_id":"xdjvp2","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Sold my boat and the buyer wants to sue me [WA] So I sold a boat that I used to live on and it was still in the water at a marina. They showed up looked at it. They heard it run and I put it in gear for them and moved it forwards and backwards. but in my ad I said no test rides and in the messages as well since the tabs were expired. They ended up buying it for less then half my asking price. About $4k they signed the title and filled out a simple bill of sale. Now it\u2019s been over two weeks and they have had to replace the outdrive and something went wrong with the engine apparently. They are now wanting to sue me for 8k or something including repairs and lawyer fees or whatever. From my understanding my state is a private party as-is for sales. I didn\u2019t hide anything about the boat but that\u2019s what they are going with in the legal sense. Should I be worried at all?","c_root_id_A":"iof62st","c_root_id_B":"ioeacgw","created_at_utc_A":1663175851,"created_at_utc_B":1663163562,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Block and ignore. Make sure you file a copy of the bill of sale with whatever agency in your state deals with boat registration. This is a fairly common thing that people try to pull: They buy something knowing that they're taking the risk, and then threaten to sue the seller under some sort of BS reasoning, with the idea of squeezing the seller for some more money. It happens a lot with cars (because a lot more cars are sold with boats), but no reason it can't happen with boats. Should you be worried? On a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being nothing, and 10 being \"you're really in trouble,\" I guess you're at about a 2. 95% of people who threaten to sue don't ever do so. And, if this guy DOES actually sue, your answer is \"Your honor, this was a used boat that is out of registration. That's an as-is sale.\"","human_ref_B":"They may believe \"no test drive\" was you trying to hide the defects, and if it comes down to it you may have to convince a judge that you weren't trying to decieve them. However, as long as you didn't claim that it was working great then you should be fine, and even if you did you should still theoretically be fine as long as you weren't aware of the issues at the time.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12289.0,"score_ratio":1.75} {"post_id":"9mt2sh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Kaiser Permanente accidentally gave my mom's purse to another patient (OR), now they're refusing to reimburse her for her items. My mom ended up having to go to the emergency department because she had a nervous breakdown. One of her biggest issues was paranoia. While she was there, they had all her possessions stowed away. She was there for about 2 days and in that time another psych patient was admitted who was clearly high on something. The other patient kept talking about needing to go to the county jail for something - which is where my mom works. My mom thinks she recognized her voice, but it's hard to truly know since she wasn't in her right mind. But it is extremely like that if this person came through the county jail, then my mom would have had contact with her. Eventually the woman is stabilized and discharged. When my mom goes to be transferred to another medical faciltiy, the nurse comes in and tells her that all of my moms belongings were mistakenly given to the other patient. This include her coach purse, several prescriptions (including narcotics), her wallet with her drivers license and cards, cash and more. They apologize profusely and said they will reimburse her. She filed a police report in the emergency department. She then went into a 10 day inpatient mental health treatment program. Upon being discharged from the mental health facility, she\u2019s been trying to get an idea of what\u2019s going on with her purse and\/or the reimbursement. Kaiser has not been helpful or cooperative. The manager of the emergency department basically said he doesn\u2019t know what their \"limit\" is for reimbursing someone. Everyone else she talks to is not helpful. My mom is also very paranoid because the person who has all her information likely knows my mom from the county jail. She nearly went off the deep end again yesterday worrying that this person may target her at her home residence (since it's listed on her drivers license). She also worried about her identity being stolen or sold. At this point she\u2019s so emotionally spun from getting stable and now she\u2019s having to expend all this extra energy in protecting her self, her identity, her money and fighting to get reimbursed for what was given away by Kaiser. She's trying to gather an itemized list of everything that was in her purse with specific values for each item - but she was also so mentally unwell at the time that it's hard for her to imagine what she had! I've contacted the lawyer I know for recommendations on lawyers, but I'm not even sure what this would be considered? Small claims? It's not just the physical value, but she's using an hour out of her way day to sort these situation out (e.g. talking to the emergency department, calling various companies to hold her accounts, etc.) As a healthcare worker, I'm just shocked Kaiser isn't bending over backwards to accommodate her in a situation they created. Any advice appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e7hnmqz","c_root_id_B":"e7hlatj","created_at_utc_A":1539137737,"created_at_utc_B":1539135553,"score_A":104,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"This is more of a side question, but I wonder if a hospital handing over a purse containing a patient\u2019s prescription bottles (which presumably are labeled with some sort of protected health information) to an unauthorized party is a HIPAA issue as well. Even if they had nothing to do with those prescriptions as a healthcare provider, they still took possession of protected health information and mishandled it.","human_ref_B":"Sounds typical of Kaiser. They lost my mother's glasses when she was admitted to the hospital many years ago. It took a lot of calls to the business office to get them to make replacement glasses. Even then they kept blaming her. No one wanted to admit they'd moved her glasses and didn't know where they'd gone.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2184.0,"score_ratio":4.7272727273} {"post_id":"9mt2sh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Kaiser Permanente accidentally gave my mom's purse to another patient (OR), now they're refusing to reimburse her for her items. My mom ended up having to go to the emergency department because she had a nervous breakdown. One of her biggest issues was paranoia. While she was there, they had all her possessions stowed away. She was there for about 2 days and in that time another psych patient was admitted who was clearly high on something. The other patient kept talking about needing to go to the county jail for something - which is where my mom works. My mom thinks she recognized her voice, but it's hard to truly know since she wasn't in her right mind. But it is extremely like that if this person came through the county jail, then my mom would have had contact with her. Eventually the woman is stabilized and discharged. When my mom goes to be transferred to another medical faciltiy, the nurse comes in and tells her that all of my moms belongings were mistakenly given to the other patient. This include her coach purse, several prescriptions (including narcotics), her wallet with her drivers license and cards, cash and more. They apologize profusely and said they will reimburse her. She filed a police report in the emergency department. She then went into a 10 day inpatient mental health treatment program. Upon being discharged from the mental health facility, she\u2019s been trying to get an idea of what\u2019s going on with her purse and\/or the reimbursement. Kaiser has not been helpful or cooperative. The manager of the emergency department basically said he doesn\u2019t know what their \"limit\" is for reimbursing someone. Everyone else she talks to is not helpful. My mom is also very paranoid because the person who has all her information likely knows my mom from the county jail. She nearly went off the deep end again yesterday worrying that this person may target her at her home residence (since it's listed on her drivers license). She also worried about her identity being stolen or sold. At this point she\u2019s so emotionally spun from getting stable and now she\u2019s having to expend all this extra energy in protecting her self, her identity, her money and fighting to get reimbursed for what was given away by Kaiser. She's trying to gather an itemized list of everything that was in her purse with specific values for each item - but she was also so mentally unwell at the time that it's hard for her to imagine what she had! I've contacted the lawyer I know for recommendations on lawyers, but I'm not even sure what this would be considered? Small claims? It's not just the physical value, but she's using an hour out of her way day to sort these situation out (e.g. talking to the emergency department, calling various companies to hold her accounts, etc.) As a healthcare worker, I'm just shocked Kaiser isn't bending over backwards to accommodate her in a situation they created. Any advice appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e7hlatj","c_root_id_B":"e7ibs4v","created_at_utc_A":1539135553,"created_at_utc_B":1539174569,"score_A":22,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"Sounds typical of Kaiser. They lost my mother's glasses when she was admitted to the hospital many years ago. It took a lot of calls to the business office to get them to make replacement glasses. Even then they kept blaming her. No one wanted to admit they'd moved her glasses and didn't know where they'd gone.","human_ref_B":"> mistakenly given to the other patient. This include her coach purse, several prescriptions (including **narcotics**) Sounds like it should be a bigger deal then they're portraying. They gave narcotics to a patient, that they weren't prescribed. Maybe look at it from that angle? Just a passing thought.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":39016.0,"score_ratio":1.3181818182} {"post_id":"9mt2sh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Kaiser Permanente accidentally gave my mom's purse to another patient (OR), now they're refusing to reimburse her for her items. My mom ended up having to go to the emergency department because she had a nervous breakdown. One of her biggest issues was paranoia. While she was there, they had all her possessions stowed away. She was there for about 2 days and in that time another psych patient was admitted who was clearly high on something. The other patient kept talking about needing to go to the county jail for something - which is where my mom works. My mom thinks she recognized her voice, but it's hard to truly know since she wasn't in her right mind. But it is extremely like that if this person came through the county jail, then my mom would have had contact with her. Eventually the woman is stabilized and discharged. When my mom goes to be transferred to another medical faciltiy, the nurse comes in and tells her that all of my moms belongings were mistakenly given to the other patient. This include her coach purse, several prescriptions (including narcotics), her wallet with her drivers license and cards, cash and more. They apologize profusely and said they will reimburse her. She filed a police report in the emergency department. She then went into a 10 day inpatient mental health treatment program. Upon being discharged from the mental health facility, she\u2019s been trying to get an idea of what\u2019s going on with her purse and\/or the reimbursement. Kaiser has not been helpful or cooperative. The manager of the emergency department basically said he doesn\u2019t know what their \"limit\" is for reimbursing someone. Everyone else she talks to is not helpful. My mom is also very paranoid because the person who has all her information likely knows my mom from the county jail. She nearly went off the deep end again yesterday worrying that this person may target her at her home residence (since it's listed on her drivers license). She also worried about her identity being stolen or sold. At this point she\u2019s so emotionally spun from getting stable and now she\u2019s having to expend all this extra energy in protecting her self, her identity, her money and fighting to get reimbursed for what was given away by Kaiser. She's trying to gather an itemized list of everything that was in her purse with specific values for each item - but she was also so mentally unwell at the time that it's hard for her to imagine what she had! I've contacted the lawyer I know for recommendations on lawyers, but I'm not even sure what this would be considered? Small claims? It's not just the physical value, but she's using an hour out of her way day to sort these situation out (e.g. talking to the emergency department, calling various companies to hold her accounts, etc.) As a healthcare worker, I'm just shocked Kaiser isn't bending over backwards to accommodate her in a situation they created. Any advice appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"e7ibs4v","c_root_id_B":"e7hsua9","created_at_utc_A":1539174569,"created_at_utc_B":1539143001,"score_A":29,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"> mistakenly given to the other patient. This include her coach purse, several prescriptions (including **narcotics**) Sounds like it should be a bigger deal then they're portraying. They gave narcotics to a patient, that they weren't prescribed. Maybe look at it from that angle? Just a passing thought.","human_ref_B":"Has she contacted Kaiser's Member Services? Their Member Services department is the prime spot for this type of complaint. Don't deal with the department head, deal with their Members wing. Someone trained in customer service will recognize the gravity of this issue and isn't trying to protect their department.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":31568.0,"score_ratio":2.0714285714} {"post_id":"medeeq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"(TX) Trying to get a divorce. My wife had a baby with another man, and the child was taken by CPS. How do I prove I am not the father to complete my divorce? The daughter was put in foster care and I have no access or contact information. CPS has told me since I was not a party to the adoption case I cannot have any contact information. The divorce court requires I prove the child is not mine. How do I do this?","c_root_id_A":"gshlhwp","c_root_id_B":"gshblmm","created_at_utc_A":1616870412,"created_at_utc_B":1616866590,"score_A":40,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Lawyer in Texas, but not your lawyer. If you happen to fall in a certain income bracket, you could apply for legal aid? Texas Legal Aid has many programs across the state that have lawyers work pro bono for clients who cannot afford one. If you happen to be above that tax bracket, I\u2019m sorry to save you will probably have to pay money for an attorney in this case. The only other option I can think is that your ex wife was probably a party to the adoption, as her rights had to be terminated. She may be able to get the adoption case court to file something in \u201cher\u201d divorce case. That\u2019s an extreme long shot, and you are still more than likely going to need a lawyer.","human_ref_B":"15k to 20k retainer for a divorce sounds excessive to me. I don't do divorce law but I'd think 5k would be on the higher end of reasonable. Call around to more attorneys, find solos or small firms that do family law. Call your state bar association referral line. There's only so much you'll be able to accomplish easily as a pro se, get an attorney, find a way. There are approximately 75,000 licensed attorneys in Texas, you can find someone.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3822.0,"score_ratio":1.1428571429} {"post_id":"m7uf6s","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I am an heir of four to an estate. The executor (family member) has stated they will not be distributing my inheritance like the other heirs. They have set guidelines and timeframes for me to receive my inheritance - these guidelines are not clear or defined (North Carolina) The will is straightforward and outlines my portion of the estate. The executor has mentioned they intend to put my inheritance in trust with special guidelines - no other heirs will have these guidelines. Is this legal?","c_root_id_A":"grdmqnp","c_root_id_B":"grdouml","created_at_utc_A":1616084532,"created_at_utc_B":1616085301,"score_A":24,"score_B":265,"human_ref_A":"Are you a minor, or are you under some kind of guardianship?","human_ref_B":"Without knowing more about your situation, the answer is maybe. Most obviously, are any of these terms specified in the will itself? What is the reason given for treating you differently than everybody else? If you're an adult, not under some sort of conservatorship or guardianship, and the will does not require any of this, then you could get an attorney who handles probate matters to send a nasty letter to the executor. That's likely to have not-so-great effects on family relations, so you may not want to do it. But, if this is \"Grandpa died, Dad is the executor, Grandpa's will says that every grandchild gets $10,000 to be used for college unless they're out of college, and I'm 15 years old and want my money now because all my older cousins who all graduated college are getting theirs,\" then that's a very different story.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":769.0,"score_ratio":11.0416666667} {"post_id":"m7uf6s","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I am an heir of four to an estate. The executor (family member) has stated they will not be distributing my inheritance like the other heirs. They have set guidelines and timeframes for me to receive my inheritance - these guidelines are not clear or defined (North Carolina) The will is straightforward and outlines my portion of the estate. The executor has mentioned they intend to put my inheritance in trust with special guidelines - no other heirs will have these guidelines. Is this legal?","c_root_id_A":"grehh7i","c_root_id_B":"grdu2e9","created_at_utc_A":1616097973,"created_at_utc_B":1616087482,"score_A":11,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Without reading the specific language it is hard to say with certainty. Certainly what you said here would give pause to whether the Executor has overstepped their boundaries. While it is possible for an Executor to delay distributions to everyone for a certain amount of time, there is no way they can carve out an heir and instill additional requirements absent a court order.","human_ref_B":"Have they said why they intend to do so?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10491.0,"score_ratio":1.375} {"post_id":"up7phq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My girlfriend's boss refused to pay her salary because her contract supposedly says if she quits without notice before the end of any given month, she forfeits the entire month's pay. Is this legal? Minnesota She worked selling cars and the work environment turned toxic and sexist. She decided to quit most of the way through the month. They claim that the contract she signed states that she forfeited her salary (base pay) and the commission she earned that month. They refuse to provide her with a copy of her contract (she no longer has one). Is any of this legal? We are in Minnesota. If this isn't legal, who do we contact to fix this?","c_root_id_A":"i8ji0l6","c_root_id_B":"i8j7i1u","created_at_utc_A":1652502543,"created_at_utc_B":1652496581,"score_A":686,"score_B":254,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer Contracts are not able to supercede state or federal law, and are not legally binding if they do not follow state or federal law. It is worth the time and effort to get a lawyer","human_ref_B":"She should file a wage complaint with the state. She should also submit a written demand (text\/e-mail is okay) for her pay. The demand should be really limited and totally devoid of any emotion (like \"Hey [Manager], please send me my final paycheck. Thanks\")","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5962.0,"score_ratio":2.7007874016} {"post_id":"up7phq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My girlfriend's boss refused to pay her salary because her contract supposedly says if she quits without notice before the end of any given month, she forfeits the entire month's pay. Is this legal? Minnesota She worked selling cars and the work environment turned toxic and sexist. She decided to quit most of the way through the month. They claim that the contract she signed states that she forfeited her salary (base pay) and the commission she earned that month. They refuse to provide her with a copy of her contract (she no longer has one). Is any of this legal? We are in Minnesota. If this isn't legal, who do we contact to fix this?","c_root_id_A":"i8l783h","c_root_id_B":"i8l0ct5","created_at_utc_A":1652543788,"created_at_utc_B":1652540634,"score_A":17,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Umm I think the Department of Labor would have a few things to say about that. They tend to be like rabid dogs about it too.","human_ref_B":"As per federal law, employees must be compensated for any and all time spent on the clock. Nothing can supersede federal labor law.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3154.0,"score_ratio":1.2142857143} {"post_id":"up7phq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My girlfriend's boss refused to pay her salary because her contract supposedly says if she quits without notice before the end of any given month, she forfeits the entire month's pay. Is this legal? Minnesota She worked selling cars and the work environment turned toxic and sexist. She decided to quit most of the way through the month. They claim that the contract she signed states that she forfeited her salary (base pay) and the commission she earned that month. They refuse to provide her with a copy of her contract (she no longer has one). Is any of this legal? We are in Minnesota. If this isn't legal, who do we contact to fix this?","c_root_id_A":"i8l783h","c_root_id_B":"i8l56zt","created_at_utc_A":1652543788,"created_at_utc_B":1652542872,"score_A":17,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Umm I think the Department of Labor would have a few things to say about that. They tend to be like rabid dogs about it too.","human_ref_B":"He\u2019s lucky she\u2019s not suing his ass","labels":1,"seconds_difference":916.0,"score_ratio":3.4} {"post_id":"up7phq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My girlfriend's boss refused to pay her salary because her contract supposedly says if she quits without notice before the end of any given month, she forfeits the entire month's pay. Is this legal? Minnesota She worked selling cars and the work environment turned toxic and sexist. She decided to quit most of the way through the month. They claim that the contract she signed states that she forfeited her salary (base pay) and the commission she earned that month. They refuse to provide her with a copy of her contract (she no longer has one). Is any of this legal? We are in Minnesota. If this isn't legal, who do we contact to fix this?","c_root_id_A":"i8l783h","c_root_id_B":"i8l4k7z","created_at_utc_A":1652543788,"created_at_utc_B":1652542586,"score_A":17,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Umm I think the Department of Labor would have a few things to say about that. They tend to be like rabid dogs about it too.","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer you need to go to this website. https:\/\/dli.mn.gov\/business\/employment-practices\/employment-termination Follow the link for the demand for final wages and follow the directions exactly.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1202.0,"score_ratio":3.4} {"post_id":"3lj5c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"CA; Deadbeat dad walks out and 5 years later contacts me saying he wants custody\/ visitation rights. I'll keep this as short as possible. Basically out of the blue he contacts a friend of a friend of mine gets my number and leaves me a message which states he wants to be in my child's life. He's moving back into town and will be fighting for his rights. Because \"he is a changed man and is ready to be a patent now.\" 5 years ago when my child was born he decided he wanted nothing to do with us. Hell, he tried his hardest to convince me to have an abortion, then threatened to have me beat until I miscarried. A plethora of horrendous events followed. I kept documents on all events and had it ready for court. When the time came he didn't even put up a fight. It took him 3 years just to pay child support because he saw it as an \" inconvenience\" to his life. I have old legal police reports against him. For drug use and domestic violence, even threats. I caught him trying to hurt my infant child redhanded. He was never allowed near us again after that. I don't believe monsters like him can change. My child is very happy and doesn't even care that it's just the two of us. We have each other and that is all we need. But now this guy thinks he can just walk back in like nothing ever happened. If gets custody or visitation it will only confuse and hurt my child more than anything. Reddit, I ask you with much sadness in my heart, what do I do? I am a single mother with limited money...I can't afford much. How can I prevent him from getting visitation or custody?","c_root_id_A":"cv6rpe5","c_root_id_B":"cv6w9bp","created_at_utc_A":1442651768,"created_at_utc_B":1442670380,"score_A":40,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"> He was never allowed near us again after that. Does this mean you filed for a protection order or something like that? Did he admit in court about trying to hurt your child?","human_ref_B":"He can *try* but almost no judge will award him any custody or visitation right given the police reports, plus him walking out for five years. Family court is notoriously harsh on absent parents who suddenly want the kid-and now that he's five, you can argue it isn't in best interests of the child. The cheapest thing you can probably do is have the lawyer submit a petition to the court about terminating his parental rights asap, before he submits his claim for custody and it turns into an enormous battle.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18612.0,"score_ratio":1.025} {"post_id":"3lj5c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"CA; Deadbeat dad walks out and 5 years later contacts me saying he wants custody\/ visitation rights. I'll keep this as short as possible. Basically out of the blue he contacts a friend of a friend of mine gets my number and leaves me a message which states he wants to be in my child's life. He's moving back into town and will be fighting for his rights. Because \"he is a changed man and is ready to be a patent now.\" 5 years ago when my child was born he decided he wanted nothing to do with us. Hell, he tried his hardest to convince me to have an abortion, then threatened to have me beat until I miscarried. A plethora of horrendous events followed. I kept documents on all events and had it ready for court. When the time came he didn't even put up a fight. It took him 3 years just to pay child support because he saw it as an \" inconvenience\" to his life. I have old legal police reports against him. For drug use and domestic violence, even threats. I caught him trying to hurt my infant child redhanded. He was never allowed near us again after that. I don't believe monsters like him can change. My child is very happy and doesn't even care that it's just the two of us. We have each other and that is all we need. But now this guy thinks he can just walk back in like nothing ever happened. If gets custody or visitation it will only confuse and hurt my child more than anything. Reddit, I ask you with much sadness in my heart, what do I do? I am a single mother with limited money...I can't afford much. How can I prevent him from getting visitation or custody?","c_root_id_A":"cv6w9bp","c_root_id_B":"cv6vn5v","created_at_utc_A":1442670380,"created_at_utc_B":1442668312,"score_A":41,"score_B":40,"human_ref_A":"He can *try* but almost no judge will award him any custody or visitation right given the police reports, plus him walking out for five years. Family court is notoriously harsh on absent parents who suddenly want the kid-and now that he's five, you can argue it isn't in best interests of the child. The cheapest thing you can probably do is have the lawyer submit a petition to the court about terminating his parental rights asap, before he submits his claim for custody and it turns into an enormous battle.","human_ref_B":"You need to get a lawyer an petition the court to terminate his parental rights. Given the amount of time he was gone without providing support there may be an argument to bad made for abandonment. Also, bring in all the documentation of hi past behavior. There are legal services\/clinic that can help people who don't have the funds to hire an attorney.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2068.0,"score_ratio":1.025} {"post_id":"3lj5c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"CA; Deadbeat dad walks out and 5 years later contacts me saying he wants custody\/ visitation rights. I'll keep this as short as possible. Basically out of the blue he contacts a friend of a friend of mine gets my number and leaves me a message which states he wants to be in my child's life. He's moving back into town and will be fighting for his rights. Because \"he is a changed man and is ready to be a patent now.\" 5 years ago when my child was born he decided he wanted nothing to do with us. Hell, he tried his hardest to convince me to have an abortion, then threatened to have me beat until I miscarried. A plethora of horrendous events followed. I kept documents on all events and had it ready for court. When the time came he didn't even put up a fight. It took him 3 years just to pay child support because he saw it as an \" inconvenience\" to his life. I have old legal police reports against him. For drug use and domestic violence, even threats. I caught him trying to hurt my infant child redhanded. He was never allowed near us again after that. I don't believe monsters like him can change. My child is very happy and doesn't even care that it's just the two of us. We have each other and that is all we need. But now this guy thinks he can just walk back in like nothing ever happened. If gets custody or visitation it will only confuse and hurt my child more than anything. Reddit, I ask you with much sadness in my heart, what do I do? I am a single mother with limited money...I can't afford much. How can I prevent him from getting visitation or custody?","c_root_id_A":"cv6vn5v","c_root_id_B":"cv6s4d2","created_at_utc_A":1442668312,"created_at_utc_B":1442653790,"score_A":40,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"You need to get a lawyer an petition the court to terminate his parental rights. Given the amount of time he was gone without providing support there may be an argument to bad made for abandonment. Also, bring in all the documentation of hi past behavior. There are legal services\/clinic that can help people who don't have the funds to hire an attorney.","human_ref_B":"Do you have a custody order from a court?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14522.0,"score_ratio":1.7391304348} {"post_id":"3lj5c8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"CA; Deadbeat dad walks out and 5 years later contacts me saying he wants custody\/ visitation rights. I'll keep this as short as possible. Basically out of the blue he contacts a friend of a friend of mine gets my number and leaves me a message which states he wants to be in my child's life. He's moving back into town and will be fighting for his rights. Because \"he is a changed man and is ready to be a patent now.\" 5 years ago when my child was born he decided he wanted nothing to do with us. Hell, he tried his hardest to convince me to have an abortion, then threatened to have me beat until I miscarried. A plethora of horrendous events followed. I kept documents on all events and had it ready for court. When the time came he didn't even put up a fight. It took him 3 years just to pay child support because he saw it as an \" inconvenience\" to his life. I have old legal police reports against him. For drug use and domestic violence, even threats. I caught him trying to hurt my infant child redhanded. He was never allowed near us again after that. I don't believe monsters like him can change. My child is very happy and doesn't even care that it's just the two of us. We have each other and that is all we need. But now this guy thinks he can just walk back in like nothing ever happened. If gets custody or visitation it will only confuse and hurt my child more than anything. Reddit, I ask you with much sadness in my heart, what do I do? I am a single mother with limited money...I can't afford much. How can I prevent him from getting visitation or custody?","c_root_id_A":"cv6w9bp","c_root_id_B":"cv6s4d2","created_at_utc_A":1442670380,"created_at_utc_B":1442653790,"score_A":41,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"He can *try* but almost no judge will award him any custody or visitation right given the police reports, plus him walking out for five years. Family court is notoriously harsh on absent parents who suddenly want the kid-and now that he's five, you can argue it isn't in best interests of the child. The cheapest thing you can probably do is have the lawyer submit a petition to the court about terminating his parental rights asap, before he submits his claim for custody and it turns into an enormous battle.","human_ref_B":"Do you have a custody order from a court?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16590.0,"score_ratio":1.7826086957} {"post_id":"isipj1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"My neighbor is threatening to tow my car, when I believe I am parked legally. I am parked on the street in residential West Sacramento CA. I have a driveway that is filled by roommates vehicles, and I have parked my car that I am attempting to sell on the street (no for sale sign is in the window, I am selling to a friend, just getting the details in order). The car is operable but I haven\u2019t needed it so it has been parked there for a little while. Mind you, this car isn\u2019t blocking a driveway and isn\u2019t even in the FRONT of someone\u2019s house. They live on a corner lot and I am parked on the long right side of their home where no other cars are parked, no driveways, and the road is not narrow, it is intended to have enough room for cars to park there. However, a neighbor left a note on my window very passive aggressively threatening to tow my vehicle if I don\u2019t move it. I am almost positive I can park here, what should I do to ensure I am within local laws?","c_root_id_A":"g57ymf9","c_root_id_B":"g57xcyd","created_at_utc_A":1600083201,"created_at_utc_B":1600082001,"score_A":114,"score_B":30,"human_ref_A":"How long has it been parked there? Even if legally parked, many places have limits on how many days cars can be parked on the street without being moved. Check your local ordinances to see if you are violating anything.","human_ref_B":"What law or regulation is your neighbor threatening to invoke? Some towns have laws saying that vehicles without plates can not be parked on streets. Other towns have laws saying that vehicles must be moved every three days (to distinguish between operable and abandoned). Etc. Ask your neighbor what regulation he thinks you're in violation of, and look at your town's laws to see if he's right.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1200.0,"score_ratio":3.8} {"post_id":"isipj1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"My neighbor is threatening to tow my car, when I believe I am parked legally. I am parked on the street in residential West Sacramento CA. I have a driveway that is filled by roommates vehicles, and I have parked my car that I am attempting to sell on the street (no for sale sign is in the window, I am selling to a friend, just getting the details in order). The car is operable but I haven\u2019t needed it so it has been parked there for a little while. Mind you, this car isn\u2019t blocking a driveway and isn\u2019t even in the FRONT of someone\u2019s house. They live on a corner lot and I am parked on the long right side of their home where no other cars are parked, no driveways, and the road is not narrow, it is intended to have enough room for cars to park there. However, a neighbor left a note on my window very passive aggressively threatening to tow my vehicle if I don\u2019t move it. I am almost positive I can park here, what should I do to ensure I am within local laws?","c_root_id_A":"g57xcyd","c_root_id_B":"g582f6t","created_at_utc_A":1600082001,"created_at_utc_B":1600086367,"score_A":30,"score_B":53,"human_ref_A":"What law or regulation is your neighbor threatening to invoke? Some towns have laws saying that vehicles without plates can not be parked on streets. Other towns have laws saying that vehicles must be moved every three days (to distinguish between operable and abandoned). Etc. Ask your neighbor what regulation he thinks you're in violation of, and look at your town's laws to see if he's right.","human_ref_B":"I believe that state-wide, CA has a 72h limit on parking on a public street. This means yes, after 72h in one spot you car can be towed. However, the police aren't gonna take your neighbor's word for it. IF they decide to do anything about this, they will send a unit out to check on your car. They might put a penny or chalk mark on a tire, then come back in 72 hours. If it's still there, they might tow it. Maybe. Also, your local laws might be even shorter than that. You'll need to double check. Anyway, just move the car the next time a space opens up on the block.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4366.0,"score_ratio":1.7666666667} {"post_id":"wgat45","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"I had my television installed by someone I found online. Claimed he was a professional with 10 years experience. My television fell down and killed my cat. This happened today, and I\u2019m still kind of at a loss for words. I sent the guy a text telling him about what happened, but he ignored me. I tried calling and it now says the number is not in service. What recourse do I have? Located in Canada. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"iiynw8w","c_root_id_B":"iizbldw","created_at_utc_A":1659644245,"created_at_utc_B":1659653799,"score_A":20,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Try r\/legaladvicecanada.","human_ref_B":"If they won't compensate you for the job that was poorly done, sue them in court for that plus another cat.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9554.0,"score_ratio":1.2} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0atdaj","c_root_id_B":"j0bxd10","created_at_utc_A":1671092163,"created_at_utc_B":1671117255,"score_A":904,"score_B":1847,"human_ref_A":"Likely the best course of action is to first discuss this with them and make sure they are even interested, and if they are follow up with a visit to an attorney that deals with tax law. They should be able to evaluate the situation for both state and federal laws that may apply, and help craft proposals for how to go about it in the ways that will best benefit the family. Rather than going it alone in figuring out all the ways this could be affected by how you do it and the family\u2019s own financial affairs\u2019 impact will be and possibly getting it very wrong.","human_ref_B":"You should consult a tax attorney, and a real estate attorney. This is an amazing gesture, and I hope everything goes smoothly. All the best to you xx.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25092.0,"score_ratio":2.0431415929} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0bbhcl","c_root_id_B":"j0bxd10","created_at_utc_A":1671106519,"created_at_utc_B":1671117255,"score_A":242,"score_B":1847,"human_ref_A":"The recipient of a gift doesn\u2019t pay taxes on it. You would need to file tax forms on the gift and it would be recorded against your lifetime gift allowance. When you pass, if your estate is above $5.4M, you would owe taxes on all your reported gifts.","human_ref_B":"You should consult a tax attorney, and a real estate attorney. This is an amazing gesture, and I hope everything goes smoothly. All the best to you xx.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10736.0,"score_ratio":7.632231405} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0botbr","c_root_id_B":"j0bxd10","created_at_utc_A":1671113571,"created_at_utc_B":1671117255,"score_A":184,"score_B":1847,"human_ref_A":"The easiest way to accomplish this would probably be via a quit claim deed. I would approach the family exactly how you explained things here, it doesn't sound like pity or charity.","human_ref_B":"You should consult a tax attorney, and a real estate attorney. This is an amazing gesture, and I hope everything goes smoothly. All the best to you xx.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3684.0,"score_ratio":10.0380434783} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0bxd10","c_root_id_B":"j0bc2qb","created_at_utc_A":1671117255,"created_at_utc_B":1671106897,"score_A":1847,"score_B":155,"human_ref_A":"You should consult a tax attorney, and a real estate attorney. This is an amazing gesture, and I hope everything goes smoothly. All the best to you xx.","human_ref_B":"You could ask this question in r\/personalfinance as well. I think the gift would count towards your $12 million lifetime gift tax-free limit, and you would need to report it, but no tax would be due. But there are smarter people there that might be able to help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10358.0,"score_ratio":11.9161290323} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0bkudf","c_root_id_B":"j0bxd10","created_at_utc_A":1671111711,"created_at_utc_B":1671117255,"score_A":26,"score_B":1847,"human_ref_A":"There wouldn't be any tax due on this gift. The only tax consequence would be that they would also be \"gifted\" your cost basis in the house, but since it would be their primary residence that probably wouldn't be much of an issue.","human_ref_B":"You should consult a tax attorney, and a real estate attorney. This is an amazing gesture, and I hope everything goes smoothly. All the best to you xx.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5544.0,"score_ratio":71.0384615385} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0bxd10","c_root_id_B":"j0bos7h","created_at_utc_A":1671117255,"created_at_utc_B":1671113556,"score_A":1847,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"You should consult a tax attorney, and a real estate attorney. This is an amazing gesture, and I hope everything goes smoothly. All the best to you xx.","human_ref_B":"Talk to the tenents.. See if they want the property. Then each of you should contact your own attorney (Realestate or title company attorney) Let the Tenents attorney do all the paperwork so that they incure any charges (they are getting a nice gift) and then you pay your attorney to review and advise you if and when you should sign off. Sadly, nothing is free and giving could cost.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3699.0,"score_ratio":73.88} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0bxd10","c_root_id_B":"j0b9adl","created_at_utc_A":1671117255,"created_at_utc_B":1671105088,"score_A":1847,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"You should consult a tax attorney, and a real estate attorney. This is an amazing gesture, and I hope everything goes smoothly. All the best to you xx.","human_ref_B":"It would likely work better to sell it to them for way below market value.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12167.0,"score_ratio":97.2105263158} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0ccrg7","c_root_id_B":"j0cl21b","created_at_utc_A":1671123264,"created_at_utc_B":1671126416,"score_A":367,"score_B":723,"human_ref_A":"Talk to an estate planning attorney and an accountant. Also talk to the tenants. A lot of people incorrectly assume the people receiving the gift have to pay the gift tax. The gift tax is actually owed by the person giving the gift. You have to consider both the annual exclusion rate and the lifetime exemption amount. Anything above the annual exclusion amount (single person gifting to two people: $32,000 in 2022) will be reported on a gift tax return and count against your lifetime exemption ($12M in 2022). Federal estate tax is tied to the lifetime exemption. So depending on what your estate is worth at the end of your life, what gifts you have given away (above the annual exclusions amounts), and what you plan to do with your estate when you die, your estate taxes could look very different. But also, you\u2019ll be dead and it will be someone else\u2019s problem. I would urge you to consider doing some estate planning (and that may help this issue). For example, you could consider creating a trust to hold this house and the tenants could be the beneficiaries.","human_ref_B":"Financial planner here. If you gift it outright to them, a couple things happen: 1. You'll need to file a gift tax form for the tax year the gift is made. The amount of the gift will count towards your lifetime gift exemption, which is unified with your estate exemption. This amount was in the $5m range before the Tax Cut and Jobs Act of 2017. The tax bill increased it to $12m but that is due to sunset in 2026 and revert back to the $5m range. Congress LOVES to mess with estate\/gift exemptions, so it could change (drastically) in the future. Be prepared for your estate to pay some amount of gift tax if that happens. 2. When gifted, your cost basis transfers to them. For instance, if you bought for $100,000 and it's worth $200,000 now, when they sell their cost basis for the property will be $100,000. Because it is their primary residence, they have an tax exemption up to $250k if single\/$500k if married when they sell (with current law), so in this scenario the value would have to increase to $600k before they owed taxes on it when they sold. If you sell to them at below market value, it will still create a gift that needs to be filed with the IRS for the difference between the fair market value and the price. The IRS is not fooled with $1 transactions or those that are significantly below FMV. Another option could be to update your deed to Transfer On Death (TOD), which means the house passes to them directly upon your death. This avoids the probate process and also gives them a step-up in cost basis. If you didn't want to tell them this is happening, you could maintain their current rent and if you didn't need the funds, deposit them into a savings account that also has a TOD designation which would transfer to them upon your death as well. ~~TODs need the beneficiary's involvement to unwind so keep that in mind if you consider this option.~~ Apologies, I was conflating with life deeds when writing this. You retain full control of the property\/account and their TOD designations so can change your mind at any time. Finally, you are in a unique position to offer them a seller-backed mortgage or offer them a rent-to-own agreement where a portion of their rent pays down the cost of the house. You can set your own interest rate in this scenario so they aren't forced to go to the open market for a mortgage. You can set up your estate documents to forgive the loan upon your death, and again, being creative you can gift them the payments they have already made upon your death as well. Check with your CPA\/tax preparer for additional details, and perhaps an estate attorney if you decide to make arrangements upon your death. You can accomplish your goal with your tenants' knowledge or without, it is up to you to decide!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3152.0,"score_ratio":1.970027248} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0cl21b","c_root_id_B":"j0bbhcl","created_at_utc_A":1671126416,"created_at_utc_B":1671106519,"score_A":723,"score_B":242,"human_ref_A":"Financial planner here. If you gift it outright to them, a couple things happen: 1. You'll need to file a gift tax form for the tax year the gift is made. The amount of the gift will count towards your lifetime gift exemption, which is unified with your estate exemption. This amount was in the $5m range before the Tax Cut and Jobs Act of 2017. The tax bill increased it to $12m but that is due to sunset in 2026 and revert back to the $5m range. Congress LOVES to mess with estate\/gift exemptions, so it could change (drastically) in the future. Be prepared for your estate to pay some amount of gift tax if that happens. 2. When gifted, your cost basis transfers to them. For instance, if you bought for $100,000 and it's worth $200,000 now, when they sell their cost basis for the property will be $100,000. Because it is their primary residence, they have an tax exemption up to $250k if single\/$500k if married when they sell (with current law), so in this scenario the value would have to increase to $600k before they owed taxes on it when they sold. If you sell to them at below market value, it will still create a gift that needs to be filed with the IRS for the difference between the fair market value and the price. The IRS is not fooled with $1 transactions or those that are significantly below FMV. Another option could be to update your deed to Transfer On Death (TOD), which means the house passes to them directly upon your death. This avoids the probate process and also gives them a step-up in cost basis. If you didn't want to tell them this is happening, you could maintain their current rent and if you didn't need the funds, deposit them into a savings account that also has a TOD designation which would transfer to them upon your death as well. ~~TODs need the beneficiary's involvement to unwind so keep that in mind if you consider this option.~~ Apologies, I was conflating with life deeds when writing this. You retain full control of the property\/account and their TOD designations so can change your mind at any time. Finally, you are in a unique position to offer them a seller-backed mortgage or offer them a rent-to-own agreement where a portion of their rent pays down the cost of the house. You can set your own interest rate in this scenario so they aren't forced to go to the open market for a mortgage. You can set up your estate documents to forgive the loan upon your death, and again, being creative you can gift them the payments they have already made upon your death as well. Check with your CPA\/tax preparer for additional details, and perhaps an estate attorney if you decide to make arrangements upon your death. You can accomplish your goal with your tenants' knowledge or without, it is up to you to decide!","human_ref_B":"The recipient of a gift doesn\u2019t pay taxes on it. You would need to file tax forms on the gift and it would be recorded against your lifetime gift allowance. When you pass, if your estate is above $5.4M, you would owe taxes on all your reported gifts.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19897.0,"score_ratio":2.9876033058} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0botbr","c_root_id_B":"j0cl21b","created_at_utc_A":1671113571,"created_at_utc_B":1671126416,"score_A":184,"score_B":723,"human_ref_A":"The easiest way to accomplish this would probably be via a quit claim deed. I would approach the family exactly how you explained things here, it doesn't sound like pity or charity.","human_ref_B":"Financial planner here. If you gift it outright to them, a couple things happen: 1. You'll need to file a gift tax form for the tax year the gift is made. The amount of the gift will count towards your lifetime gift exemption, which is unified with your estate exemption. This amount was in the $5m range before the Tax Cut and Jobs Act of 2017. The tax bill increased it to $12m but that is due to sunset in 2026 and revert back to the $5m range. Congress LOVES to mess with estate\/gift exemptions, so it could change (drastically) in the future. Be prepared for your estate to pay some amount of gift tax if that happens. 2. When gifted, your cost basis transfers to them. For instance, if you bought for $100,000 and it's worth $200,000 now, when they sell their cost basis for the property will be $100,000. Because it is their primary residence, they have an tax exemption up to $250k if single\/$500k if married when they sell (with current law), so in this scenario the value would have to increase to $600k before they owed taxes on it when they sold. If you sell to them at below market value, it will still create a gift that needs to be filed with the IRS for the difference between the fair market value and the price. The IRS is not fooled with $1 transactions or those that are significantly below FMV. Another option could be to update your deed to Transfer On Death (TOD), which means the house passes to them directly upon your death. This avoids the probate process and also gives them a step-up in cost basis. If you didn't want to tell them this is happening, you could maintain their current rent and if you didn't need the funds, deposit them into a savings account that also has a TOD designation which would transfer to them upon your death as well. ~~TODs need the beneficiary's involvement to unwind so keep that in mind if you consider this option.~~ Apologies, I was conflating with life deeds when writing this. You retain full control of the property\/account and their TOD designations so can change your mind at any time. Finally, you are in a unique position to offer them a seller-backed mortgage or offer them a rent-to-own agreement where a portion of their rent pays down the cost of the house. You can set your own interest rate in this scenario so they aren't forced to go to the open market for a mortgage. You can set up your estate documents to forgive the loan upon your death, and again, being creative you can gift them the payments they have already made upon your death as well. Check with your CPA\/tax preparer for additional details, and perhaps an estate attorney if you decide to make arrangements upon your death. You can accomplish your goal with your tenants' knowledge or without, it is up to you to decide!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12845.0,"score_ratio":3.9293478261} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0bc2qb","c_root_id_B":"j0cl21b","created_at_utc_A":1671106897,"created_at_utc_B":1671126416,"score_A":155,"score_B":723,"human_ref_A":"You could ask this question in r\/personalfinance as well. I think the gift would count towards your $12 million lifetime gift tax-free limit, and you would need to report it, but no tax would be due. But there are smarter people there that might be able to help.","human_ref_B":"Financial planner here. If you gift it outright to them, a couple things happen: 1. You'll need to file a gift tax form for the tax year the gift is made. The amount of the gift will count towards your lifetime gift exemption, which is unified with your estate exemption. This amount was in the $5m range before the Tax Cut and Jobs Act of 2017. The tax bill increased it to $12m but that is due to sunset in 2026 and revert back to the $5m range. Congress LOVES to mess with estate\/gift exemptions, so it could change (drastically) in the future. Be prepared for your estate to pay some amount of gift tax if that happens. 2. When gifted, your cost basis transfers to them. For instance, if you bought for $100,000 and it's worth $200,000 now, when they sell their cost basis for the property will be $100,000. Because it is their primary residence, they have an tax exemption up to $250k if single\/$500k if married when they sell (with current law), so in this scenario the value would have to increase to $600k before they owed taxes on it when they sold. If you sell to them at below market value, it will still create a gift that needs to be filed with the IRS for the difference between the fair market value and the price. The IRS is not fooled with $1 transactions or those that are significantly below FMV. Another option could be to update your deed to Transfer On Death (TOD), which means the house passes to them directly upon your death. This avoids the probate process and also gives them a step-up in cost basis. If you didn't want to tell them this is happening, you could maintain their current rent and if you didn't need the funds, deposit them into a savings account that also has a TOD designation which would transfer to them upon your death as well. ~~TODs need the beneficiary's involvement to unwind so keep that in mind if you consider this option.~~ Apologies, I was conflating with life deeds when writing this. You retain full control of the property\/account and their TOD designations so can change your mind at any time. Finally, you are in a unique position to offer them a seller-backed mortgage or offer them a rent-to-own agreement where a portion of their rent pays down the cost of the house. You can set your own interest rate in this scenario so they aren't forced to go to the open market for a mortgage. You can set up your estate documents to forgive the loan upon your death, and again, being creative you can gift them the payments they have already made upon your death as well. Check with your CPA\/tax preparer for additional details, and perhaps an estate attorney if you decide to make arrangements upon your death. You can accomplish your goal with your tenants' knowledge or without, it is up to you to decide!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19519.0,"score_ratio":4.664516129} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0bkudf","c_root_id_B":"j0cl21b","created_at_utc_A":1671111711,"created_at_utc_B":1671126416,"score_A":26,"score_B":723,"human_ref_A":"There wouldn't be any tax due on this gift. The only tax consequence would be that they would also be \"gifted\" your cost basis in the house, but since it would be their primary residence that probably wouldn't be much of an issue.","human_ref_B":"Financial planner here. If you gift it outright to them, a couple things happen: 1. You'll need to file a gift tax form for the tax year the gift is made. The amount of the gift will count towards your lifetime gift exemption, which is unified with your estate exemption. This amount was in the $5m range before the Tax Cut and Jobs Act of 2017. The tax bill increased it to $12m but that is due to sunset in 2026 and revert back to the $5m range. Congress LOVES to mess with estate\/gift exemptions, so it could change (drastically) in the future. Be prepared for your estate to pay some amount of gift tax if that happens. 2. When gifted, your cost basis transfers to them. For instance, if you bought for $100,000 and it's worth $200,000 now, when they sell their cost basis for the property will be $100,000. Because it is their primary residence, they have an tax exemption up to $250k if single\/$500k if married when they sell (with current law), so in this scenario the value would have to increase to $600k before they owed taxes on it when they sold. If you sell to them at below market value, it will still create a gift that needs to be filed with the IRS for the difference between the fair market value and the price. The IRS is not fooled with $1 transactions or those that are significantly below FMV. Another option could be to update your deed to Transfer On Death (TOD), which means the house passes to them directly upon your death. This avoids the probate process and also gives them a step-up in cost basis. If you didn't want to tell them this is happening, you could maintain their current rent and if you didn't need the funds, deposit them into a savings account that also has a TOD designation which would transfer to them upon your death as well. ~~TODs need the beneficiary's involvement to unwind so keep that in mind if you consider this option.~~ Apologies, I was conflating with life deeds when writing this. You retain full control of the property\/account and their TOD designations so can change your mind at any time. Finally, you are in a unique position to offer them a seller-backed mortgage or offer them a rent-to-own agreement where a portion of their rent pays down the cost of the house. You can set your own interest rate in this scenario so they aren't forced to go to the open market for a mortgage. You can set up your estate documents to forgive the loan upon your death, and again, being creative you can gift them the payments they have already made upon your death as well. Check with your CPA\/tax preparer for additional details, and perhaps an estate attorney if you decide to make arrangements upon your death. You can accomplish your goal with your tenants' knowledge or without, it is up to you to decide!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14705.0,"score_ratio":27.8076923077} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0bos7h","c_root_id_B":"j0cl21b","created_at_utc_A":1671113556,"created_at_utc_B":1671126416,"score_A":25,"score_B":723,"human_ref_A":"Talk to the tenents.. See if they want the property. Then each of you should contact your own attorney (Realestate or title company attorney) Let the Tenents attorney do all the paperwork so that they incure any charges (they are getting a nice gift) and then you pay your attorney to review and advise you if and when you should sign off. Sadly, nothing is free and giving could cost.","human_ref_B":"Financial planner here. If you gift it outright to them, a couple things happen: 1. You'll need to file a gift tax form for the tax year the gift is made. The amount of the gift will count towards your lifetime gift exemption, which is unified with your estate exemption. This amount was in the $5m range before the Tax Cut and Jobs Act of 2017. The tax bill increased it to $12m but that is due to sunset in 2026 and revert back to the $5m range. Congress LOVES to mess with estate\/gift exemptions, so it could change (drastically) in the future. Be prepared for your estate to pay some amount of gift tax if that happens. 2. When gifted, your cost basis transfers to them. For instance, if you bought for $100,000 and it's worth $200,000 now, when they sell their cost basis for the property will be $100,000. Because it is their primary residence, they have an tax exemption up to $250k if single\/$500k if married when they sell (with current law), so in this scenario the value would have to increase to $600k before they owed taxes on it when they sold. If you sell to them at below market value, it will still create a gift that needs to be filed with the IRS for the difference between the fair market value and the price. The IRS is not fooled with $1 transactions or those that are significantly below FMV. Another option could be to update your deed to Transfer On Death (TOD), which means the house passes to them directly upon your death. This avoids the probate process and also gives them a step-up in cost basis. If you didn't want to tell them this is happening, you could maintain their current rent and if you didn't need the funds, deposit them into a savings account that also has a TOD designation which would transfer to them upon your death as well. ~~TODs need the beneficiary's involvement to unwind so keep that in mind if you consider this option.~~ Apologies, I was conflating with life deeds when writing this. You retain full control of the property\/account and their TOD designations so can change your mind at any time. Finally, you are in a unique position to offer them a seller-backed mortgage or offer them a rent-to-own agreement where a portion of their rent pays down the cost of the house. You can set your own interest rate in this scenario so they aren't forced to go to the open market for a mortgage. You can set up your estate documents to forgive the loan upon your death, and again, being creative you can gift them the payments they have already made upon your death as well. Check with your CPA\/tax preparer for additional details, and perhaps an estate attorney if you decide to make arrangements upon your death. You can accomplish your goal with your tenants' knowledge or without, it is up to you to decide!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12860.0,"score_ratio":28.92} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0cl21b","c_root_id_B":"j0c1j6z","created_at_utc_A":1671126416,"created_at_utc_B":1671118917,"score_A":723,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Financial planner here. If you gift it outright to them, a couple things happen: 1. You'll need to file a gift tax form for the tax year the gift is made. The amount of the gift will count towards your lifetime gift exemption, which is unified with your estate exemption. This amount was in the $5m range before the Tax Cut and Jobs Act of 2017. The tax bill increased it to $12m but that is due to sunset in 2026 and revert back to the $5m range. Congress LOVES to mess with estate\/gift exemptions, so it could change (drastically) in the future. Be prepared for your estate to pay some amount of gift tax if that happens. 2. When gifted, your cost basis transfers to them. For instance, if you bought for $100,000 and it's worth $200,000 now, when they sell their cost basis for the property will be $100,000. Because it is their primary residence, they have an tax exemption up to $250k if single\/$500k if married when they sell (with current law), so in this scenario the value would have to increase to $600k before they owed taxes on it when they sold. If you sell to them at below market value, it will still create a gift that needs to be filed with the IRS for the difference between the fair market value and the price. The IRS is not fooled with $1 transactions or those that are significantly below FMV. Another option could be to update your deed to Transfer On Death (TOD), which means the house passes to them directly upon your death. This avoids the probate process and also gives them a step-up in cost basis. If you didn't want to tell them this is happening, you could maintain their current rent and if you didn't need the funds, deposit them into a savings account that also has a TOD designation which would transfer to them upon your death as well. ~~TODs need the beneficiary's involvement to unwind so keep that in mind if you consider this option.~~ Apologies, I was conflating with life deeds when writing this. You retain full control of the property\/account and their TOD designations so can change your mind at any time. Finally, you are in a unique position to offer them a seller-backed mortgage or offer them a rent-to-own agreement where a portion of their rent pays down the cost of the house. You can set your own interest rate in this scenario so they aren't forced to go to the open market for a mortgage. You can set up your estate documents to forgive the loan upon your death, and again, being creative you can gift them the payments they have already made upon your death as well. Check with your CPA\/tax preparer for additional details, and perhaps an estate attorney if you decide to make arrangements upon your death. You can accomplish your goal with your tenants' knowledge or without, it is up to you to decide!","human_ref_B":"If you sell to them for below what it\u2019s worth you also create a taxable event for yourself. Best bet get a real estate attorney.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7499.0,"score_ratio":42.5294117647} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0cl21b","c_root_id_B":"j0b9adl","created_at_utc_A":1671126416,"created_at_utc_B":1671105088,"score_A":723,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Financial planner here. If you gift it outright to them, a couple things happen: 1. You'll need to file a gift tax form for the tax year the gift is made. The amount of the gift will count towards your lifetime gift exemption, which is unified with your estate exemption. This amount was in the $5m range before the Tax Cut and Jobs Act of 2017. The tax bill increased it to $12m but that is due to sunset in 2026 and revert back to the $5m range. Congress LOVES to mess with estate\/gift exemptions, so it could change (drastically) in the future. Be prepared for your estate to pay some amount of gift tax if that happens. 2. When gifted, your cost basis transfers to them. For instance, if you bought for $100,000 and it's worth $200,000 now, when they sell their cost basis for the property will be $100,000. Because it is their primary residence, they have an tax exemption up to $250k if single\/$500k if married when they sell (with current law), so in this scenario the value would have to increase to $600k before they owed taxes on it when they sold. If you sell to them at below market value, it will still create a gift that needs to be filed with the IRS for the difference between the fair market value and the price. The IRS is not fooled with $1 transactions or those that are significantly below FMV. Another option could be to update your deed to Transfer On Death (TOD), which means the house passes to them directly upon your death. This avoids the probate process and also gives them a step-up in cost basis. If you didn't want to tell them this is happening, you could maintain their current rent and if you didn't need the funds, deposit them into a savings account that also has a TOD designation which would transfer to them upon your death as well. ~~TODs need the beneficiary's involvement to unwind so keep that in mind if you consider this option.~~ Apologies, I was conflating with life deeds when writing this. You retain full control of the property\/account and their TOD designations so can change your mind at any time. Finally, you are in a unique position to offer them a seller-backed mortgage or offer them a rent-to-own agreement where a portion of their rent pays down the cost of the house. You can set your own interest rate in this scenario so they aren't forced to go to the open market for a mortgage. You can set up your estate documents to forgive the loan upon your death, and again, being creative you can gift them the payments they have already made upon your death as well. Check with your CPA\/tax preparer for additional details, and perhaps an estate attorney if you decide to make arrangements upon your death. You can accomplish your goal with your tenants' knowledge or without, it is up to you to decide!","human_ref_B":"It would likely work better to sell it to them for way below market value.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21328.0,"score_ratio":38.0526315789} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0cl21b","c_root_id_B":"j0cbrxc","created_at_utc_A":1671126416,"created_at_utc_B":1671122897,"score_A":723,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Financial planner here. If you gift it outright to them, a couple things happen: 1. You'll need to file a gift tax form for the tax year the gift is made. The amount of the gift will count towards your lifetime gift exemption, which is unified with your estate exemption. This amount was in the $5m range before the Tax Cut and Jobs Act of 2017. The tax bill increased it to $12m but that is due to sunset in 2026 and revert back to the $5m range. Congress LOVES to mess with estate\/gift exemptions, so it could change (drastically) in the future. Be prepared for your estate to pay some amount of gift tax if that happens. 2. When gifted, your cost basis transfers to them. For instance, if you bought for $100,000 and it's worth $200,000 now, when they sell their cost basis for the property will be $100,000. Because it is their primary residence, they have an tax exemption up to $250k if single\/$500k if married when they sell (with current law), so in this scenario the value would have to increase to $600k before they owed taxes on it when they sold. If you sell to them at below market value, it will still create a gift that needs to be filed with the IRS for the difference between the fair market value and the price. The IRS is not fooled with $1 transactions or those that are significantly below FMV. Another option could be to update your deed to Transfer On Death (TOD), which means the house passes to them directly upon your death. This avoids the probate process and also gives them a step-up in cost basis. If you didn't want to tell them this is happening, you could maintain their current rent and if you didn't need the funds, deposit them into a savings account that also has a TOD designation which would transfer to them upon your death as well. ~~TODs need the beneficiary's involvement to unwind so keep that in mind if you consider this option.~~ Apologies, I was conflating with life deeds when writing this. You retain full control of the property\/account and their TOD designations so can change your mind at any time. Finally, you are in a unique position to offer them a seller-backed mortgage or offer them a rent-to-own agreement where a portion of their rent pays down the cost of the house. You can set your own interest rate in this scenario so they aren't forced to go to the open market for a mortgage. You can set up your estate documents to forgive the loan upon your death, and again, being creative you can gift them the payments they have already made upon your death as well. Check with your CPA\/tax preparer for additional details, and perhaps an estate attorney if you decide to make arrangements upon your death. You can accomplish your goal with your tenants' knowledge or without, it is up to you to decide!","human_ref_B":"There are a lot of ways to accomplish this. Which one is best will depend on too many things for Reddit to answer. Your best bet is to consult a lawyer in your area, who can look at all of the implications of the transfer and recommend a way that will work out best for everyone.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3519.0,"score_ratio":80.3333333333} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0ccrg7","c_root_id_B":"j0bbhcl","created_at_utc_A":1671123264,"created_at_utc_B":1671106519,"score_A":367,"score_B":242,"human_ref_A":"Talk to an estate planning attorney and an accountant. Also talk to the tenants. A lot of people incorrectly assume the people receiving the gift have to pay the gift tax. The gift tax is actually owed by the person giving the gift. You have to consider both the annual exclusion rate and the lifetime exemption amount. Anything above the annual exclusion amount (single person gifting to two people: $32,000 in 2022) will be reported on a gift tax return and count against your lifetime exemption ($12M in 2022). Federal estate tax is tied to the lifetime exemption. So depending on what your estate is worth at the end of your life, what gifts you have given away (above the annual exclusions amounts), and what you plan to do with your estate when you die, your estate taxes could look very different. But also, you\u2019ll be dead and it will be someone else\u2019s problem. I would urge you to consider doing some estate planning (and that may help this issue). For example, you could consider creating a trust to hold this house and the tenants could be the beneficiaries.","human_ref_B":"The recipient of a gift doesn\u2019t pay taxes on it. You would need to file tax forms on the gift and it would be recorded against your lifetime gift allowance. When you pass, if your estate is above $5.4M, you would owe taxes on all your reported gifts.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16745.0,"score_ratio":1.5165289256} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0botbr","c_root_id_B":"j0ccrg7","created_at_utc_A":1671113571,"created_at_utc_B":1671123264,"score_A":184,"score_B":367,"human_ref_A":"The easiest way to accomplish this would probably be via a quit claim deed. I would approach the family exactly how you explained things here, it doesn't sound like pity or charity.","human_ref_B":"Talk to an estate planning attorney and an accountant. Also talk to the tenants. A lot of people incorrectly assume the people receiving the gift have to pay the gift tax. The gift tax is actually owed by the person giving the gift. You have to consider both the annual exclusion rate and the lifetime exemption amount. Anything above the annual exclusion amount (single person gifting to two people: $32,000 in 2022) will be reported on a gift tax return and count against your lifetime exemption ($12M in 2022). Federal estate tax is tied to the lifetime exemption. So depending on what your estate is worth at the end of your life, what gifts you have given away (above the annual exclusions amounts), and what you plan to do with your estate when you die, your estate taxes could look very different. But also, you\u2019ll be dead and it will be someone else\u2019s problem. I would urge you to consider doing some estate planning (and that may help this issue). For example, you could consider creating a trust to hold this house and the tenants could be the beneficiaries.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9693.0,"score_ratio":1.9945652174} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0ccrg7","c_root_id_B":"j0bc2qb","created_at_utc_A":1671123264,"created_at_utc_B":1671106897,"score_A":367,"score_B":155,"human_ref_A":"Talk to an estate planning attorney and an accountant. Also talk to the tenants. A lot of people incorrectly assume the people receiving the gift have to pay the gift tax. The gift tax is actually owed by the person giving the gift. You have to consider both the annual exclusion rate and the lifetime exemption amount. Anything above the annual exclusion amount (single person gifting to two people: $32,000 in 2022) will be reported on a gift tax return and count against your lifetime exemption ($12M in 2022). Federal estate tax is tied to the lifetime exemption. So depending on what your estate is worth at the end of your life, what gifts you have given away (above the annual exclusions amounts), and what you plan to do with your estate when you die, your estate taxes could look very different. But also, you\u2019ll be dead and it will be someone else\u2019s problem. I would urge you to consider doing some estate planning (and that may help this issue). For example, you could consider creating a trust to hold this house and the tenants could be the beneficiaries.","human_ref_B":"You could ask this question in r\/personalfinance as well. I think the gift would count towards your $12 million lifetime gift tax-free limit, and you would need to report it, but no tax would be due. But there are smarter people there that might be able to help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16367.0,"score_ratio":2.3677419355} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0bkudf","c_root_id_B":"j0ccrg7","created_at_utc_A":1671111711,"created_at_utc_B":1671123264,"score_A":26,"score_B":367,"human_ref_A":"There wouldn't be any tax due on this gift. The only tax consequence would be that they would also be \"gifted\" your cost basis in the house, but since it would be their primary residence that probably wouldn't be much of an issue.","human_ref_B":"Talk to an estate planning attorney and an accountant. Also talk to the tenants. A lot of people incorrectly assume the people receiving the gift have to pay the gift tax. The gift tax is actually owed by the person giving the gift. You have to consider both the annual exclusion rate and the lifetime exemption amount. Anything above the annual exclusion amount (single person gifting to two people: $32,000 in 2022) will be reported on a gift tax return and count against your lifetime exemption ($12M in 2022). Federal estate tax is tied to the lifetime exemption. So depending on what your estate is worth at the end of your life, what gifts you have given away (above the annual exclusions amounts), and what you plan to do with your estate when you die, your estate taxes could look very different. But also, you\u2019ll be dead and it will be someone else\u2019s problem. I would urge you to consider doing some estate planning (and that may help this issue). For example, you could consider creating a trust to hold this house and the tenants could be the beneficiaries.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11553.0,"score_ratio":14.1153846154} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0ccrg7","c_root_id_B":"j0bos7h","created_at_utc_A":1671123264,"created_at_utc_B":1671113556,"score_A":367,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"Talk to an estate planning attorney and an accountant. Also talk to the tenants. A lot of people incorrectly assume the people receiving the gift have to pay the gift tax. The gift tax is actually owed by the person giving the gift. You have to consider both the annual exclusion rate and the lifetime exemption amount. Anything above the annual exclusion amount (single person gifting to two people: $32,000 in 2022) will be reported on a gift tax return and count against your lifetime exemption ($12M in 2022). Federal estate tax is tied to the lifetime exemption. So depending on what your estate is worth at the end of your life, what gifts you have given away (above the annual exclusions amounts), and what you plan to do with your estate when you die, your estate taxes could look very different. But also, you\u2019ll be dead and it will be someone else\u2019s problem. I would urge you to consider doing some estate planning (and that may help this issue). For example, you could consider creating a trust to hold this house and the tenants could be the beneficiaries.","human_ref_B":"Talk to the tenents.. See if they want the property. Then each of you should contact your own attorney (Realestate or title company attorney) Let the Tenents attorney do all the paperwork so that they incure any charges (they are getting a nice gift) and then you pay your attorney to review and advise you if and when you should sign off. Sadly, nothing is free and giving could cost.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9708.0,"score_ratio":14.68} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0c1j6z","c_root_id_B":"j0ccrg7","created_at_utc_A":1671118917,"created_at_utc_B":1671123264,"score_A":17,"score_B":367,"human_ref_A":"If you sell to them for below what it\u2019s worth you also create a taxable event for yourself. Best bet get a real estate attorney.","human_ref_B":"Talk to an estate planning attorney and an accountant. Also talk to the tenants. A lot of people incorrectly assume the people receiving the gift have to pay the gift tax. The gift tax is actually owed by the person giving the gift. You have to consider both the annual exclusion rate and the lifetime exemption amount. Anything above the annual exclusion amount (single person gifting to two people: $32,000 in 2022) will be reported on a gift tax return and count against your lifetime exemption ($12M in 2022). Federal estate tax is tied to the lifetime exemption. So depending on what your estate is worth at the end of your life, what gifts you have given away (above the annual exclusions amounts), and what you plan to do with your estate when you die, your estate taxes could look very different. But also, you\u2019ll be dead and it will be someone else\u2019s problem. I would urge you to consider doing some estate planning (and that may help this issue). For example, you could consider creating a trust to hold this house and the tenants could be the beneficiaries.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4347.0,"score_ratio":21.5882352941} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0ccrg7","c_root_id_B":"j0b9adl","created_at_utc_A":1671123264,"created_at_utc_B":1671105088,"score_A":367,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Talk to an estate planning attorney and an accountant. Also talk to the tenants. A lot of people incorrectly assume the people receiving the gift have to pay the gift tax. The gift tax is actually owed by the person giving the gift. You have to consider both the annual exclusion rate and the lifetime exemption amount. Anything above the annual exclusion amount (single person gifting to two people: $32,000 in 2022) will be reported on a gift tax return and count against your lifetime exemption ($12M in 2022). Federal estate tax is tied to the lifetime exemption. So depending on what your estate is worth at the end of your life, what gifts you have given away (above the annual exclusions amounts), and what you plan to do with your estate when you die, your estate taxes could look very different. But also, you\u2019ll be dead and it will be someone else\u2019s problem. I would urge you to consider doing some estate planning (and that may help this issue). For example, you could consider creating a trust to hold this house and the tenants could be the beneficiaries.","human_ref_B":"It would likely work better to sell it to them for way below market value.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18176.0,"score_ratio":19.3157894737} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0cbrxc","c_root_id_B":"j0ccrg7","created_at_utc_A":1671122897,"created_at_utc_B":1671123264,"score_A":9,"score_B":367,"human_ref_A":"There are a lot of ways to accomplish this. Which one is best will depend on too many things for Reddit to answer. Your best bet is to consult a lawyer in your area, who can look at all of the implications of the transfer and recommend a way that will work out best for everyone.","human_ref_B":"Talk to an estate planning attorney and an accountant. Also talk to the tenants. A lot of people incorrectly assume the people receiving the gift have to pay the gift tax. The gift tax is actually owed by the person giving the gift. You have to consider both the annual exclusion rate and the lifetime exemption amount. Anything above the annual exclusion amount (single person gifting to two people: $32,000 in 2022) will be reported on a gift tax return and count against your lifetime exemption ($12M in 2022). Federal estate tax is tied to the lifetime exemption. So depending on what your estate is worth at the end of your life, what gifts you have given away (above the annual exclusions amounts), and what you plan to do with your estate when you die, your estate taxes could look very different. But also, you\u2019ll be dead and it will be someone else\u2019s problem. I would urge you to consider doing some estate planning (and that may help this issue). For example, you could consider creating a trust to hold this house and the tenants could be the beneficiaries.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":367.0,"score_ratio":40.7777777778} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0b9adl","c_root_id_B":"j0bbhcl","created_at_utc_A":1671105088,"created_at_utc_B":1671106519,"score_A":19,"score_B":242,"human_ref_A":"It would likely work better to sell it to them for way below market value.","human_ref_B":"The recipient of a gift doesn\u2019t pay taxes on it. You would need to file tax forms on the gift and it would be recorded against your lifetime gift allowance. When you pass, if your estate is above $5.4M, you would owe taxes on all your reported gifts.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1431.0,"score_ratio":12.7368421053} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0botbr","c_root_id_B":"j0bc2qb","created_at_utc_A":1671113571,"created_at_utc_B":1671106897,"score_A":184,"score_B":155,"human_ref_A":"The easiest way to accomplish this would probably be via a quit claim deed. I would approach the family exactly how you explained things here, it doesn't sound like pity or charity.","human_ref_B":"You could ask this question in r\/personalfinance as well. I think the gift would count towards your $12 million lifetime gift tax-free limit, and you would need to report it, but no tax would be due. But there are smarter people there that might be able to help.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6674.0,"score_ratio":1.1870967742} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0bkudf","c_root_id_B":"j0botbr","created_at_utc_A":1671111711,"created_at_utc_B":1671113571,"score_A":26,"score_B":184,"human_ref_A":"There wouldn't be any tax due on this gift. The only tax consequence would be that they would also be \"gifted\" your cost basis in the house, but since it would be their primary residence that probably wouldn't be much of an issue.","human_ref_B":"The easiest way to accomplish this would probably be via a quit claim deed. I would approach the family exactly how you explained things here, it doesn't sound like pity or charity.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1860.0,"score_ratio":7.0769230769} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0botbr","c_root_id_B":"j0bos7h","created_at_utc_A":1671113571,"created_at_utc_B":1671113556,"score_A":184,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"The easiest way to accomplish this would probably be via a quit claim deed. I would approach the family exactly how you explained things here, it doesn't sound like pity or charity.","human_ref_B":"Talk to the tenents.. See if they want the property. Then each of you should contact your own attorney (Realestate or title company attorney) Let the Tenents attorney do all the paperwork so that they incure any charges (they are getting a nice gift) and then you pay your attorney to review and advise you if and when you should sign off. Sadly, nothing is free and giving could cost.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15.0,"score_ratio":7.36} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0botbr","c_root_id_B":"j0b9adl","created_at_utc_A":1671113571,"created_at_utc_B":1671105088,"score_A":184,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"The easiest way to accomplish this would probably be via a quit claim deed. I would approach the family exactly how you explained things here, it doesn't sound like pity or charity.","human_ref_B":"It would likely work better to sell it to them for way below market value.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8483.0,"score_ratio":9.6842105263} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0b9adl","c_root_id_B":"j0bc2qb","created_at_utc_A":1671105088,"created_at_utc_B":1671106897,"score_A":19,"score_B":155,"human_ref_A":"It would likely work better to sell it to them for way below market value.","human_ref_B":"You could ask this question in r\/personalfinance as well. I think the gift would count towards your $12 million lifetime gift tax-free limit, and you would need to report it, but no tax would be due. But there are smarter people there that might be able to help.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1809.0,"score_ratio":8.1578947368} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0bkudf","c_root_id_B":"j0b9adl","created_at_utc_A":1671111711,"created_at_utc_B":1671105088,"score_A":26,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"There wouldn't be any tax due on this gift. The only tax consequence would be that they would also be \"gifted\" your cost basis in the house, but since it would be their primary residence that probably wouldn't be much of an issue.","human_ref_B":"It would likely work better to sell it to them for way below market value.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6623.0,"score_ratio":1.3684210526} {"post_id":"zmeu40","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"What's the best way to gift my tenants the house they're renting for me? (OH) Hey there internet (anonymous account for obvious reasons!). I'm moving away from the area a property I own is in, and in a few months and will no longer be able to care for it. I've had the same tenants in there for nearly 10 years and in that time, the remaining mortgage has been paid off. They are a lovely couple and have been so generous and kind to me over the last 10 years. They are clearly just good people. I would just sell the property but I don't want it to go to someone who would treat them poorly. With all the corporations buying up properties and treating them like a number and all. I know I could continue to manage from afar but I do most of the repairs myself so it would become much more expensive upkeep wise. The tenants are practically family at this point, they've been over for Christmas, send me birthday cards and even invite me out every now and again from drinks. I'm a lonely older guy and have more than enough money in retirement and savings to be perfectly happy for the rest of my life. I feel like this family could benefit from not having to worry about rent any more and while I could just reduce the rent to next to nothing, I honestly would rather it just be in their name. So as someone who is not business savvy in the slightest and just lucked into some really good tenants who I've never had to so much as hound for rent, what process would I undergo to gift them this home? It's most recent valuation was a hair shy of $200,000. I know there is a federal limit on gift giving before taxation but I don't want them to have to pay a penny. Would I be able to gift it to them as well as the taxes (and the taxes on that gift I guess?). Or would it be legal for me to sell the home to them for some low sum like $100 instead? And how would you suggest approaching them with this? I'm worried it might come off as too charitable so as to make them feel like I think less of them. When in reality it would just be convenient. I can no longer care for the place, and I get to do something nice too. But of course if they don't want to own the home that's also fine! I'll likely just reduce their rent to whatever it costs to maintain the place. Thank you for your responses!","c_root_id_A":"j0bos7h","c_root_id_B":"j0b9adl","created_at_utc_A":1671113556,"created_at_utc_B":1671105088,"score_A":25,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Talk to the tenents.. See if they want the property. Then each of you should contact your own attorney (Realestate or title company attorney) Let the Tenents attorney do all the paperwork so that they incure any charges (they are getting a nice gift) and then you pay your attorney to review and advise you if and when you should sign off. Sadly, nothing is free and giving could cost.","human_ref_B":"It would likely work better to sell it to them for way below market value.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8468.0,"score_ratio":1.3157894737} {"post_id":"9n4o9f","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":1.0,"history":"My Neighbor Purposely Exposed Himself To My Other, Elderly Neighbor On Her Property. Cops Told Her It Was Not Criminal And They \"Can't Do Anything.\" Is It Bullshit?? We live in a condo community in WI. My longtime neighbor \"Sandy\" and I own our units. We recently got a new neighbor \"Joe,\" who works for the owner of his condo and is living there rent free. I haven't interacted with him much, but he's got that \"charismatic creep\" vibe going on. In 3-odd months, he's had multiple noise complaints, is a loud drunk, and there are always new people going in and out of his place at all hours, but whatever - that's apartment life. Sandy is on or about 70yo. Her husband passed away last year, and has spoken to me before about the anxiety of living alone for the first time in her life. About a week ago, Sandy calls me crying around 5am and begs me to send my SO, \"Sam\", over to help her, because there was a completely naked man throwing rocks at her window and \"shaking his bits\" at her. While Sam is putting his battle pants on, Sandy screams into the phone, \"Oh, my God! It's Joe!!!\" He scurried when she said that, I suppose he heard her. Sam went over to Joe's unit, knocked and rang many times, but Joe didn't answer. I saw Joe later the next afternoon and confronted him, but he reacted with melodramatic, pearl-clutching theatrics and insisted he had no idea what I was talking about. He's also gone to multiple other neighbors just to \"casually\" bring up the situation and slip in his \"alibi\" (sleeping). Anyway, this has really spooked Sandy (obviously). She called the police, who were (surprise, surprise) completely unwilling to help her. They insisted that this was not criminal, so there was nothing they could do. They suggested she could change her locks, which I thought was an interesting thing to say, as it is a clear acknowledgment of the implied threat. Although I'm admittedly not the most versed on law, I seriously can not imagine that this doesn't count as sexual assault and\/or public indecency. It was clearly not a joke or flirting; it's not like he was walking around naked with his windows open, which is debatably his right... This man went to an old widow's private property in the middle of the night, threw things at her house, and exposed himself to her without her consent, and continued the grotesque display after (presumably) seeing that it was upsetting\/scaring her. She no longer feels safe in her own home. Is this a legal issue? What are her options?","c_root_id_A":"e7jm5xz","c_root_id_B":"e7jlt8w","created_at_utc_A":1539214914,"created_at_utc_B":1539214558,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Under WI laws, it does sound like he committed the offence of indecent exposure. https:\/\/statelaws.findlaw.com\/wisconsin-law\/wisconsin-indecent-exposure-laws.html. There may also be statutes that cover the rock throwing and harassment. If you have the time, you could take your neighbour to a local police station to make a statement. They may pay more attention and follow it up then. I\u2019d also recommend you and any other neighbours who have complaints against him, make those complaints known to the landlord or management company, or condo board, in writing. Multiple complaints will be harder to ignore.","human_ref_B":">I seriously can not imagine that this doesn't count as sexual assault Well, here is the Wisconsin sexual assault statute. For something to be sexual assault in Wisconsin there must be either sexual contact or sexual intercourse. This obviously wasn't sexual intercourse, so let's check the definition of sexual contact. >Any of the following types of intentional touching, whether direct or through clothing, if that intentional touching is either for the purpose of sexually degrading; or for the purpose of sexually humiliating the complainant or sexually arousing or gratifying the defendant or if the touching contains the elements of actual or attempted battery under s. 940.19 (1): >a. Intentional touching by the defendant or, upon the defendant's instruction, by another person, by the use of any body part or object, of the complainant's intimate parts. Nope, didn't happen. >b. Intentional touching by the complainant, by the use of any body part or object, of the defendant's intimate parts or, if done upon the defendant's instructions, the intimate parts of another person. Also didn't happen. >Intentional penile ejaculation of ejaculate or intentional emission of urine or feces by the defendant or, upon the defendant's instruction, by another person upon any part of the body clothed or unclothed of the complainant if that ejaculation or emission is either for the purpose of sexually degrading or sexually humiliating the complainant or for the purpose of sexually arousing or gratifying the defendant. Didn't happen. >For the purpose of sexually degrading or humiliating the complainant or sexually arousing or gratifying the defendant, intentionally causing the complainant to ejaculate or emit urine or feces on any part of the defendant's body, whether clothed or unclothed. Also not what happened. So, by definition, this is not sexual assault in Wisconsin. Nor would it be sexual assault in the vast majority of states. I'll bet $5 that the police didn't say that what he did was legal, but rather that they couldn't do anything without additional evidence.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":356.0,"score_ratio":3.0} {"post_id":"8cj7o8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"MA, USA] My wife and I bought a dog on Craigslist and now the previous owner is threatening to sue us if we don\u2019t give her weekly updates or let her visit our dog. A little over a year ago, my wife and I really wanted a dog and found a beautiful pup on Craigslist. Fell in love with it, and the owner was (seemingly) a kind lady who was moving away to a small place and couldn\u2019t keep the dog. I could tell it was very difficult for her to give away the dog and understand an emotional attachment to an animal, but a sale is a sale. We gave her the asking price in cash, she gave us all of the dog records and documentation, and we went on our way with our new pet. As far as I know, neither of us ever signed any written agreement to keep the previous owner up to date with the dog\u2019s status. My wife is very kind and probably said through text, \u201csure we\u2019ll keep you updated!\u201d and this may be what the previous owner is referring to. We actually did update her for a while, but she was asking for way too much too frequently, so she was blocked. Can she legally do anything? And *if* there is some legal agreement that somehow my wife and I both forgot about, what are potential outcomes? [some of the conversation Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"dxfhymr","c_root_id_B":"dxfh8yh","created_at_utc_A":1523841329,"created_at_utc_B":1523840508,"score_A":420,"score_B":115,"human_ref_A":"Just a possibility, when we got our King Charles from a breeder it was stipulated that if we could not keep her she would go back to the breeder i.e. we could not rehome her ourselves. The person OP got the dog from might have a similar agreement and if the breeder is asking after the dog the Person OP got the dog from could be trying to cover their ass. Of course that has fuck all to do with OP, but it could be why it said the rehomer and the breeder would bring it to court.","human_ref_B":"Even promising \"we'll keep you updated\" is too vague a promise to be enforced. Sure, anyone can file a suit alleging anything. What will probably deter her if is nuts enough to try to file is that even small claims has a filing fee and there are forms. If she files in small claims, you may have to miss a day of work and show up and try to keep a straight face while a commissioner gives her a dressing down. Realistically, you don't have much to worry about. In theory, anyone can file suit for anything, I can't imagine she has any hope of success. Best of luck. Hang on to the Craigslist ad if you still have access to it, and all communication. You may want to appease her with \"we know Bozo is a memorable guy and hard to forget, so here's a recent photo of him. Hope that satisfies your curiosity. He's a happy, healthy guy. Take care.\" Just do not promise to keep her updated LOL. What a loon!","labels":1,"seconds_difference":821.0,"score_ratio":3.652173913} {"post_id":"8cj7o8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"MA, USA] My wife and I bought a dog on Craigslist and now the previous owner is threatening to sue us if we don\u2019t give her weekly updates or let her visit our dog. A little over a year ago, my wife and I really wanted a dog and found a beautiful pup on Craigslist. Fell in love with it, and the owner was (seemingly) a kind lady who was moving away to a small place and couldn\u2019t keep the dog. I could tell it was very difficult for her to give away the dog and understand an emotional attachment to an animal, but a sale is a sale. We gave her the asking price in cash, she gave us all of the dog records and documentation, and we went on our way with our new pet. As far as I know, neither of us ever signed any written agreement to keep the previous owner up to date with the dog\u2019s status. My wife is very kind and probably said through text, \u201csure we\u2019ll keep you updated!\u201d and this may be what the previous owner is referring to. We actually did update her for a while, but she was asking for way too much too frequently, so she was blocked. Can she legally do anything? And *if* there is some legal agreement that somehow my wife and I both forgot about, what are potential outcomes? [some of the conversation Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"dxfhymr","c_root_id_B":"dxffvnq","created_at_utc_A":1523841329,"created_at_utc_B":1523838968,"score_A":420,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Just a possibility, when we got our King Charles from a breeder it was stipulated that if we could not keep her she would go back to the breeder i.e. we could not rehome her ourselves. The person OP got the dog from might have a similar agreement and if the breeder is asking after the dog the Person OP got the dog from could be trying to cover their ass. Of course that has fuck all to do with OP, but it could be why it said the rehomer and the breeder would bring it to court.","human_ref_B":"Did you say, before the sale, that you would keep the original owner updated? Thats what the Original Owner said in the TXT. Verbal Contracts can be upheld in some cases, so what did you agree to?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2361.0,"score_ratio":15.5555555556} {"post_id":"8cj7o8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"MA, USA] My wife and I bought a dog on Craigslist and now the previous owner is threatening to sue us if we don\u2019t give her weekly updates or let her visit our dog. A little over a year ago, my wife and I really wanted a dog and found a beautiful pup on Craigslist. Fell in love with it, and the owner was (seemingly) a kind lady who was moving away to a small place and couldn\u2019t keep the dog. I could tell it was very difficult for her to give away the dog and understand an emotional attachment to an animal, but a sale is a sale. We gave her the asking price in cash, she gave us all of the dog records and documentation, and we went on our way with our new pet. As far as I know, neither of us ever signed any written agreement to keep the previous owner up to date with the dog\u2019s status. My wife is very kind and probably said through text, \u201csure we\u2019ll keep you updated!\u201d and this may be what the previous owner is referring to. We actually did update her for a while, but she was asking for way too much too frequently, so she was blocked. Can she legally do anything? And *if* there is some legal agreement that somehow my wife and I both forgot about, what are potential outcomes? [some of the conversation Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"dxffvnq","c_root_id_B":"dxfh8yh","created_at_utc_A":1523838968,"created_at_utc_B":1523840508,"score_A":27,"score_B":115,"human_ref_A":"Did you say, before the sale, that you would keep the original owner updated? Thats what the Original Owner said in the TXT. Verbal Contracts can be upheld in some cases, so what did you agree to?","human_ref_B":"Even promising \"we'll keep you updated\" is too vague a promise to be enforced. Sure, anyone can file a suit alleging anything. What will probably deter her if is nuts enough to try to file is that even small claims has a filing fee and there are forms. If she files in small claims, you may have to miss a day of work and show up and try to keep a straight face while a commissioner gives her a dressing down. Realistically, you don't have much to worry about. In theory, anyone can file suit for anything, I can't imagine she has any hope of success. Best of luck. Hang on to the Craigslist ad if you still have access to it, and all communication. You may want to appease her with \"we know Bozo is a memorable guy and hard to forget, so here's a recent photo of him. Hope that satisfies your curiosity. He's a happy, healthy guy. Take care.\" Just do not promise to keep her updated LOL. What a loon!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1540.0,"score_ratio":4.2592592593} {"post_id":"8cj7o8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"MA, USA] My wife and I bought a dog on Craigslist and now the previous owner is threatening to sue us if we don\u2019t give her weekly updates or let her visit our dog. A little over a year ago, my wife and I really wanted a dog and found a beautiful pup on Craigslist. Fell in love with it, and the owner was (seemingly) a kind lady who was moving away to a small place and couldn\u2019t keep the dog. I could tell it was very difficult for her to give away the dog and understand an emotional attachment to an animal, but a sale is a sale. We gave her the asking price in cash, she gave us all of the dog records and documentation, and we went on our way with our new pet. As far as I know, neither of us ever signed any written agreement to keep the previous owner up to date with the dog\u2019s status. My wife is very kind and probably said through text, \u201csure we\u2019ll keep you updated!\u201d and this may be what the previous owner is referring to. We actually did update her for a while, but she was asking for way too much too frequently, so she was blocked. Can she legally do anything? And *if* there is some legal agreement that somehow my wife and I both forgot about, what are potential outcomes? [some of the conversation Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"dxg7s6j","c_root_id_B":"dxg42vl","created_at_utc_A":1523883813,"created_at_utc_B":1523878207,"score_A":77,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"I don\u2019t have any legal advice, but OP if I were you I would make sure that all groomers or boarding facilities, etc. you take your dog to are made aware that they should only release your dog to you or your wife until this situation is resolved. I\u2019m a groomer, and It would be very easy for a \u201cdog walker\u201d to show up to pick up your dog and we wouldn\u2019t know any better. You don\u2019t know this lady well or what she might try to do, especially if as some commenters are suggesting she signed into a contract with a breeder to only return the dog to them. Better safe than sorry.","human_ref_B":"Stop talking to her. Record\/save all of her messages, but let her twist in the wind. If she can't afford to take care of a dog, I find it highly unlikely she can afford to pay an attorney up front for something as ridiculous as this. If she sues you, in Massachusetts, you can get her to pay for your court costs, attorney's fees, etc, if the judge determines the suit to be \"wholly insubstantial, frivolous, and not advanced in good faith.\" https:\/\/malegislature.gov\/Laws\/GeneralLaws\/PartIII\/TitleII\/Chapter231\/Section6F","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5606.0,"score_ratio":1.7906976744} {"post_id":"8cj7o8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"MA, USA] My wife and I bought a dog on Craigslist and now the previous owner is threatening to sue us if we don\u2019t give her weekly updates or let her visit our dog. A little over a year ago, my wife and I really wanted a dog and found a beautiful pup on Craigslist. Fell in love with it, and the owner was (seemingly) a kind lady who was moving away to a small place and couldn\u2019t keep the dog. I could tell it was very difficult for her to give away the dog and understand an emotional attachment to an animal, but a sale is a sale. We gave her the asking price in cash, she gave us all of the dog records and documentation, and we went on our way with our new pet. As far as I know, neither of us ever signed any written agreement to keep the previous owner up to date with the dog\u2019s status. My wife is very kind and probably said through text, \u201csure we\u2019ll keep you updated!\u201d and this may be what the previous owner is referring to. We actually did update her for a while, but she was asking for way too much too frequently, so she was blocked. Can she legally do anything? And *if* there is some legal agreement that somehow my wife and I both forgot about, what are potential outcomes? [some of the conversation Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"dxffvnq","c_root_id_B":"dxg7s6j","created_at_utc_A":1523838968,"created_at_utc_B":1523883813,"score_A":27,"score_B":77,"human_ref_A":"Did you say, before the sale, that you would keep the original owner updated? Thats what the Original Owner said in the TXT. Verbal Contracts can be upheld in some cases, so what did you agree to?","human_ref_B":"I don\u2019t have any legal advice, but OP if I were you I would make sure that all groomers or boarding facilities, etc. you take your dog to are made aware that they should only release your dog to you or your wife until this situation is resolved. I\u2019m a groomer, and It would be very easy for a \u201cdog walker\u201d to show up to pick up your dog and we wouldn\u2019t know any better. You don\u2019t know this lady well or what she might try to do, especially if as some commenters are suggesting she signed into a contract with a breeder to only return the dog to them. Better safe than sorry.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":44845.0,"score_ratio":2.8518518519} {"post_id":"8cj7o8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"MA, USA] My wife and I bought a dog on Craigslist and now the previous owner is threatening to sue us if we don\u2019t give her weekly updates or let her visit our dog. A little over a year ago, my wife and I really wanted a dog and found a beautiful pup on Craigslist. Fell in love with it, and the owner was (seemingly) a kind lady who was moving away to a small place and couldn\u2019t keep the dog. I could tell it was very difficult for her to give away the dog and understand an emotional attachment to an animal, but a sale is a sale. We gave her the asking price in cash, she gave us all of the dog records and documentation, and we went on our way with our new pet. As far as I know, neither of us ever signed any written agreement to keep the previous owner up to date with the dog\u2019s status. My wife is very kind and probably said through text, \u201csure we\u2019ll keep you updated!\u201d and this may be what the previous owner is referring to. We actually did update her for a while, but she was asking for way too much too frequently, so she was blocked. Can she legally do anything? And *if* there is some legal agreement that somehow my wife and I both forgot about, what are potential outcomes? [some of the conversation Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"dxg42vl","c_root_id_B":"dxffvnq","created_at_utc_A":1523878207,"created_at_utc_B":1523838968,"score_A":43,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Stop talking to her. Record\/save all of her messages, but let her twist in the wind. If she can't afford to take care of a dog, I find it highly unlikely she can afford to pay an attorney up front for something as ridiculous as this. If she sues you, in Massachusetts, you can get her to pay for your court costs, attorney's fees, etc, if the judge determines the suit to be \"wholly insubstantial, frivolous, and not advanced in good faith.\" https:\/\/malegislature.gov\/Laws\/GeneralLaws\/PartIII\/TitleII\/Chapter231\/Section6F","human_ref_B":"Did you say, before the sale, that you would keep the original owner updated? Thats what the Original Owner said in the TXT. Verbal Contracts can be upheld in some cases, so what did you agree to?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":39239.0,"score_ratio":1.5925925926} {"post_id":"8cj7o8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"MA, USA] My wife and I bought a dog on Craigslist and now the previous owner is threatening to sue us if we don\u2019t give her weekly updates or let her visit our dog. A little over a year ago, my wife and I really wanted a dog and found a beautiful pup on Craigslist. Fell in love with it, and the owner was (seemingly) a kind lady who was moving away to a small place and couldn\u2019t keep the dog. I could tell it was very difficult for her to give away the dog and understand an emotional attachment to an animal, but a sale is a sale. We gave her the asking price in cash, she gave us all of the dog records and documentation, and we went on our way with our new pet. As far as I know, neither of us ever signed any written agreement to keep the previous owner up to date with the dog\u2019s status. My wife is very kind and probably said through text, \u201csure we\u2019ll keep you updated!\u201d and this may be what the previous owner is referring to. We actually did update her for a while, but she was asking for way too much too frequently, so she was blocked. Can she legally do anything? And *if* there is some legal agreement that somehow my wife and I both forgot about, what are potential outcomes? [some of the conversation Thanks!","c_root_id_A":"dxgfks0","c_root_id_B":"dxffvnq","created_at_utc_A":1523892010,"created_at_utc_B":1523838968,"score_A":43,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"I see in that text chain that she referenced a breeder. As an insight into breeder contracts, if this breeder is responsible, they probably didn\u2019t know she rehomed one of the puppies on Craigslist personally. This is, generally speaking, a huge no-no and probably a violation of her contract with the breeder - if she\u2019s got a contract, virtually all of them include a mandatory return clause if you can\u2019t keep the dog yourself. So, it\u2019s possible she may be getting some pressure from the breeder about the dog and is transferring some of that onto you. Does the breeder know the dog is even in your possession?","human_ref_B":"Did you say, before the sale, that you would keep the original owner updated? Thats what the Original Owner said in the TXT. Verbal Contracts can be upheld in some cases, so what did you agree to?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":53042.0,"score_ratio":1.5925925926} {"post_id":"x5i80v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My employer took me off the schedule until further notice for a so called company violation. My employer took me off the schedule until further notice for a so called company violation. It's been going on 2 months now and they will not return any phone calls or emails, they also contested the unemployment claim. I was a armed guard with the company issued firearm. I was stopped by the police and they ask to run the gun, I complied and the firearm was not registered to the company or me so the police took the firearm because you can not have a firearm that's not registered to you. They had me sign transfer paperwork at the time the firearm was issued. What are my options?","c_root_id_A":"in189gn","c_root_id_B":"in1adcx","created_at_utc_A":1662282299,"created_at_utc_B":1662284079,"score_A":329,"score_B":1084,"human_ref_A":"What\u2019s their basis for contesting the unemployment claim? Why were you stopped by the police? When you told your boss about what happened what did he say? Did he say you handled the situation wrong? What state are you in? I\u2019m wondering if them firing you for this reason might violate a whistleblower law or be an unlawful firing in violation of public policy.","human_ref_B":"You should appeal the denial of your UI claim. Keep appealing until you get to a live hearing with an administrative law judge.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1780.0,"score_ratio":3.2948328267} {"post_id":"x5i80v","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"My employer took me off the schedule until further notice for a so called company violation. My employer took me off the schedule until further notice for a so called company violation. It's been going on 2 months now and they will not return any phone calls or emails, they also contested the unemployment claim. I was a armed guard with the company issued firearm. I was stopped by the police and they ask to run the gun, I complied and the firearm was not registered to the company or me so the police took the firearm because you can not have a firearm that's not registered to you. They had me sign transfer paperwork at the time the firearm was issued. What are my options?","c_root_id_A":"in3civ7","c_root_id_B":"in34126","created_at_utc_A":1662319734,"created_at_utc_B":1662316185,"score_A":42,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"You need to seek a lawyer. Not even for your job, but so that you don\u2019t get hit with a firearms charge in California.","human_ref_B":"Sorry if I missed this, but were you charged for an illegal gun possession? Or did the police mention anything about potentially charging you? I would be more worried about an illegal gun charge than the job. Also, while retaliation may have some legal precedents that would protect you, not sure how easy it is to prove. California is an \u201cat will\u201d employment state. Employers can terminate employment without cause at any time. But there are exceptions such as an implied contract or an implied covenant of good faith dealing, which can be applied to most jobs. It\u2019s murky. The law is that your employer can fire you at any time without cause. But the law is also, in a sense, that they can\u2019t. Because most jobs are accompanied by implications and good faith that you will NOT be frivolously fired. If you are hell bent on returning to THAT job with THAT company, you really should talk to a lawyer. Personally, considering time, cost and resources, I would look for another job and hope that karma works it\u2019s way through the universe. That said, I don\u2019t know your personal situation. Somebody has to take a stand sometimes. And you may have access to free legal counsel via non-profit organizations or pro-bono work.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3549.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gos7aeb","c_root_id_B":"gos5th9","created_at_utc_A":1614305402,"created_at_utc_B":1614304647,"score_A":3650,"score_B":252,"human_ref_A":"The truth is an absolute defense. Almost everyone who says they're going to sue won't. Don't worry about it unless you get a summons. Do not ignore a summons. New Mexico has a $10,000 small claims court limit. If he wants to sue you for more than that, he needs to sue you in big boy court and that means somehow finding a lawyer who is willing to actually do the deed. Follow up with your insurance, get them to send a letter regarding the resolution of your dispute. Something that says that they contacted the dentist and asked him to provide evidence he performed the services he was billing for and couldn't. Keep that letter for your records. Get a screenshot of the review right now on the off chance that he somehow gets it removed. Keep that for your records. Get screenshots of the other reviews as well. Those will be key pieces of information in any defamation suit, the one which will almost certainly never materialize.","human_ref_B":"If you wrote the truth he can sue you, but he is going to have a very difficult time winning. You saying the truth is not defamation nor is it slander.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":755.0,"score_ratio":14.4841269841} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gos7600","c_root_id_B":"gos7aeb","created_at_utc_A":1614305339,"created_at_utc_B":1614305402,"score_A":218,"score_B":3650,"human_ref_A":"What I have discovered about people threatening to sue you, they never have an attorney on retainer, and are ignorant of the entire process. I am not a lawyer, but if someone threatens to sue me, I would reply \u201cthat\u2019s great, your deposition is going to be epic\u201d Also if he is using the Church\u2019s internet, you might want to give them a heads up about him being less than honest with things. In addition, you might want to contact your state\u2019s department of insurance and file a fraud complaint. Your dental insurance would probably be very supportive. I would ask my dental insurance if they have an SIU section. In my state, it\u2019s required every insurance company has to have a Special Investigation Unit. Be sure to mention the Facebook posts.","human_ref_B":"The truth is an absolute defense. Almost everyone who says they're going to sue won't. Don't worry about it unless you get a summons. Do not ignore a summons. New Mexico has a $10,000 small claims court limit. If he wants to sue you for more than that, he needs to sue you in big boy court and that means somehow finding a lawyer who is willing to actually do the deed. Follow up with your insurance, get them to send a letter regarding the resolution of your dispute. Something that says that they contacted the dentist and asked him to provide evidence he performed the services he was billing for and couldn't. Keep that letter for your records. Get a screenshot of the review right now on the off chance that he somehow gets it removed. Keep that for your records. Get screenshots of the other reviews as well. Those will be key pieces of information in any defamation suit, the one which will almost certainly never materialize.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":63.0,"score_ratio":16.7431192661} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gosnil4","c_root_id_B":"gos5th9","created_at_utc_A":1614314148,"created_at_utc_B":1614304647,"score_A":1025,"score_B":252,"human_ref_A":"You might also want to check if he is a real dentist, and currently licensed, and check to see if a complaint has ever been filed with the disciplinary board that oversees dentists in NM. You can look up county court records for civil malpractice cases filed against him, or any other cases where he was the defendant. Or if he was the plaintiff if he sued someone else. This can give you more info about what you\u2019re up against. Also good research to do on the next professional you go see. (Especially if they are running operations out of a trailer.)","human_ref_B":"If you wrote the truth he can sue you, but he is going to have a very difficult time winning. You saying the truth is not defamation nor is it slander.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9501.0,"score_ratio":4.0674603175} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gos7600","c_root_id_B":"gosnil4","created_at_utc_A":1614305339,"created_at_utc_B":1614314148,"score_A":218,"score_B":1025,"human_ref_A":"What I have discovered about people threatening to sue you, they never have an attorney on retainer, and are ignorant of the entire process. I am not a lawyer, but if someone threatens to sue me, I would reply \u201cthat\u2019s great, your deposition is going to be epic\u201d Also if he is using the Church\u2019s internet, you might want to give them a heads up about him being less than honest with things. In addition, you might want to contact your state\u2019s department of insurance and file a fraud complaint. Your dental insurance would probably be very supportive. I would ask my dental insurance if they have an SIU section. In my state, it\u2019s required every insurance company has to have a Special Investigation Unit. Be sure to mention the Facebook posts.","human_ref_B":"You might also want to check if he is a real dentist, and currently licensed, and check to see if a complaint has ever been filed with the disciplinary board that oversees dentists in NM. You can look up county court records for civil malpractice cases filed against him, or any other cases where he was the defendant. Or if he was the plaintiff if he sued someone else. This can give you more info about what you\u2019re up against. Also good research to do on the next professional you go see. (Especially if they are running operations out of a trailer.)","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8809.0,"score_ratio":4.7018348624} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gosnil4","c_root_id_B":"goskao9","created_at_utc_A":1614314148,"created_at_utc_B":1614312267,"score_A":1025,"score_B":142,"human_ref_A":"You might also want to check if he is a real dentist, and currently licensed, and check to see if a complaint has ever been filed with the disciplinary board that oversees dentists in NM. You can look up county court records for civil malpractice cases filed against him, or any other cases where he was the defendant. Or if he was the plaintiff if he sued someone else. This can give you more info about what you\u2019re up against. Also good research to do on the next professional you go see. (Especially if they are running operations out of a trailer.)","human_ref_B":"What you're describing is a crime, and it has a name: insurance fraud. Tell your insurance company. In some jurisdictions (a quick glance tells me New Mexico is among them) your insurance company will be *required* to report him to the authorities. It's likely but not certain that your local police would not care or be involved, but the insurance company would have access to a specialized unit preparing these cases. Don't worry about him suing you. If it was true, you'll be fine, and I expect he'll be gone (one way or another) soon.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1881.0,"score_ratio":7.2183098592} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gos5th9","c_root_id_B":"gotot2m","created_at_utc_A":1614304647,"created_at_utc_B":1614344402,"score_A":252,"score_B":775,"human_ref_A":"If you wrote the truth he can sue you, but he is going to have a very difficult time winning. You saying the truth is not defamation nor is it slander.","human_ref_B":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":39755.0,"score_ratio":3.0753968254} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotot2m","c_root_id_B":"gotms9n","created_at_utc_A":1614344402,"created_at_utc_B":1614343081,"score_A":775,"score_B":238,"human_ref_A":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but I work in HR People who are upset say \u201cI\u2019m going to sue you\u201d People who actually bring lawsuits don\u2019t telegraph their intentions, they just file suit.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1321.0,"score_ratio":3.256302521} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gos7600","c_root_id_B":"gotot2m","created_at_utc_A":1614305339,"created_at_utc_B":1614344402,"score_A":218,"score_B":775,"human_ref_A":"What I have discovered about people threatening to sue you, they never have an attorney on retainer, and are ignorant of the entire process. I am not a lawyer, but if someone threatens to sue me, I would reply \u201cthat\u2019s great, your deposition is going to be epic\u201d Also if he is using the Church\u2019s internet, you might want to give them a heads up about him being less than honest with things. In addition, you might want to contact your state\u2019s department of insurance and file a fraud complaint. Your dental insurance would probably be very supportive. I would ask my dental insurance if they have an SIU section. In my state, it\u2019s required every insurance company has to have a Special Investigation Unit. Be sure to mention the Facebook posts.","human_ref_B":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":39063.0,"score_ratio":3.5550458716} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotot2m","c_root_id_B":"goskao9","created_at_utc_A":1614344402,"created_at_utc_B":1614312267,"score_A":775,"score_B":142,"human_ref_A":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","human_ref_B":"What you're describing is a crime, and it has a name: insurance fraud. Tell your insurance company. In some jurisdictions (a quick glance tells me New Mexico is among them) your insurance company will be *required* to report him to the authorities. It's likely but not certain that your local police would not care or be involved, but the insurance company would have access to a specialized unit preparing these cases. Don't worry about him suing you. If it was true, you'll be fine, and I expect he'll be gone (one way or another) soon.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":32135.0,"score_ratio":5.4577464789} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotot2m","c_root_id_B":"gothsij","created_at_utc_A":1614344402,"created_at_utc_B":1614339356,"score_A":775,"score_B":59,"human_ref_A":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","human_ref_B":"If you report to the local dental board they may consider having another dentist review your file, which would definitely work against him in court if the board were to publicly discipline him after determining that he billed for unperformed services. Source: medical board employee.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5046.0,"score_ratio":13.1355932203} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gostd1l","c_root_id_B":"gotot2m","created_at_utc_A":1614317940,"created_at_utc_B":1614344402,"score_A":47,"score_B":775,"human_ref_A":"He can *theoretically* sue you regardless of the merits of the case and if you find yourself properly served with a lawsuit, no matter how ridiculous, you have to treat it as serious to avoid summary judgement. An unfortunate implication of this system is that you can bully people with frivolous lawsuits, forcing them to spend some time and money getting the case dismissed. That said, relax. What you did is not remotely close to defamation so your risk is the annoyance of having to deal with a frivolous lawsuit, not losing a million dollars. (Why is it not remotely close? Well, 1. truth is an absolute defense to defamation 2. the burden is him to show not only that the claim was false but that you said it maliciously rather than mistakenly 3. the burden is on him to show economic damages caused by your specific review and not all of the other reviews complaining about the same point.) Moreover, I suspect even that risk is quite low. There are two situations in which you can get sued frivolously: 1. The person suing you actually thinks they have a case, because they don't understand the law or are irrational. 2. The person suing you is intentionally trying to bully you and is willing to incur their own legal fees to spite you. This guy is a broke dentist who sounds like he is probably violating the law himself. He clearly doesn't have the cash to throw around on random lawsuits and he has a lot more to lose than you do. I would bet good money he makes the same empty threat to everyone who writes a negative review.","human_ref_B":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":26462.0,"score_ratio":16.4893617021} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotot2m","c_root_id_B":"gotiql1","created_at_utc_A":1614344402,"created_at_utc_B":1614340136,"score_A":775,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","human_ref_B":"Life info: 1. The vast majority of the time when people threaten to sue, it is just a threat full of hot air to get you to do what they want. When people are serious about suing they are more likely to just do it than talk about it or at least have their lawyer send you a letter telling you to stop. 2. When people talk about a million dollars they are usually just talking. I'd be more concerned about someone threatening to sue for $450,000, because that sounds like they might know the law and have reasoning for their amount, instead of just being mad and wanting a million dollars. Specific to your situation: *It is unlikely he is going to sue you in the first place. If he does, it is going to cost you some time and money to deal with it, but from what you said here, he does not have a case. Additionally, it sounds like he does not have money to hire a lawyer. Are you wealthy? Even if he did have a case, a lawyer - among other things - might tell him it is not worth suing if there is nothing to get. Finally, based on your description of his practice, he doesn't sound like he is good at getting things together. *Do not respond to him or contact him in any way. *To oversimplify, defamation is basically telling lies about people that cause them harm. It does not sound like you have done that. Slander is defamation that is spoken. He meant libel which is written defamation. *If you get any official legal documents, be sure to show up in court and not ignore them. At that point, even if it is just small claims court, I would at least consult an attorney. So what do you do: *Just in case, document everything and save it. I would include your description of what happened (what you wrote here is fine.) Screen shot your review and others review. Save the voicemail he sent you. I'd also keep a copy of your insurance charges and note any communication you have with insurance. If you save it electronically, be sure to back it up. If he actually did sue or continues to harass you, all of these things would be very useful and they may be useful for the following. *If you want, you would not be wrong to take further action. There is someone who oversees insurance for your state. The insurance company presumably has contacted them, but you can as well. I think the party that licensed dentists would be interested in hearing about your experience as well - the insurance company would not have contacted them. If you are really feeling upset, you may check the business licensing and see if he is supposed to be operating out of a trailer in that location. (This kind of set up is often used for dentist in low income areas with no insurance, so it's not unheard of - just not typical for one you'd go to when you are fully covered by insurance.) If he has a clinic in the area, why wouldn't he use it? You could do a little digging - maybe he is part of a practice but has this as a side business stealing customers from the greater practice and they are not aware. Is he on church property? I'm wondering if the church thinks he is running a free dentist clinic - assuming he has their consent - not his normal business. They may not be okay with this either. The guy seems super shady - I suspect there are more issues if you are feeling petty and have time to look into local laws. Personally, that sounds like too much work to me, but I would contact the dental board. TL;DR. Not getting sued. Document everything just in case I'm wrong. Don't call him back. If what you listed is accurate, he definitely does not have a case. Maybe contact dental licensing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4266.0,"score_ratio":17.6136363636} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotot2m","c_root_id_B":"gostm6d","created_at_utc_A":1614344402,"created_at_utc_B":1614318117,"score_A":775,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","human_ref_B":"A great many people threaten to sue but never do. The fact that he said \"slander and defamation\" means he likely has little understanding of legal terms. (Slander is spoken, libel is written, both are forms of defamation) NM has weak anti-SLAPP laws, but does allow for the recovery of reasonable legal fees if a motion to dismiss is successful. A truthful, negative review is fully within your 1A rights, and a strong argument for dismissal. Basically, if he sues you, contact the bar for a lawyer with experience in drafting anti-SLAPP motions. If it's dismissed, your lawyer goes after him for his fees.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":26285.0,"score_ratio":25.0} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotot2m","c_root_id_B":"gotlqty","created_at_utc_A":1614344402,"created_at_utc_B":1614342367,"score_A":775,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","human_ref_B":"​ << . I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. >> ​ No, the dentist is the one who is most likely going to be in trouble for fraudulent claims, he will probably have bigger things to worry about since he charged your insurance for a procedure that he cannot prove he performed","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2035.0,"score_ratio":45.5882352941} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotot2m","c_root_id_B":"gotoagl","created_at_utc_A":1614344402,"created_at_utc_B":1614344074,"score_A":775,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer but Bottom line; if he is going to sue you for 1 million dollars he will need to take it to normal court not small claims court. Keep the voice mail, keep any dialogue from your insurance and most important if you receive anything in the mail make sure to verify it and then properly respond. I am going to go out on a limb and say the guy working out of a trailer stealing church WiFi isn\u2019t going to have the money to hire a lawyer to sue you for a million, specially since that\u2019s like the definition of a frivolous lawsuit and has an extremely low chance of being heard let alone won as long as what you said was true. If the guy keep hounding you update the review to say that. Hopefully it scare s enough people away. Also probably not a bad idea to notify the church he is doing that. I am sure their insurance would not appreciate the liability he is giving them by operating a medical facility on their property. Doesn\u2019t sound like he has their permission","labels":1,"seconds_difference":328.0,"score_ratio":55.3571428571} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"got43g7","c_root_id_B":"gotot2m","created_at_utc_A":1614326588,"created_at_utc_B":1614344402,"score_A":12,"score_B":775,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. I am not giving you qualified legal advice. You are responsible for the outcomes. You are not going to be homeless. Not by a bloody mile. There are two issues to look at. * Is your bad experience an opinion or fact? * Is your overcharging claim a demonstrable fact? Your bad experience is an opinion. You did not like it, and you voiced your opinion about not liking it. Your negative opinion is not a basis for a defamation case, full stop. If you made false claims about facts, such as he caused damage, doesn't have a license, or uses unhygienic practices, then you are liable for damages. Truth is an affirmative defense for defamation. Overcharging you is a demonstrative fact. If it is true, you can shout it out at the top of your lungs all day, and he can do nothing about it. If you lied, then you are in trouble. It is simple enough a fact to prove. Tell your insurance company what he threatened you with, and ask for a copy of their conclusions. If they balk at sharing, get your lawyer to ask for their conclusions. Get a lawyer to take care of this for you. This is a simple case. It may pay off to pay attention to the dentist's statements now, and figure out if you are being defamed in turn.","human_ref_B":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17814.0,"score_ratio":64.5833333333} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotbymy","c_root_id_B":"gotot2m","created_at_utc_A":1614333878,"created_at_utc_B":1614344402,"score_A":12,"score_B":775,"human_ref_A":"Also, report him to the BBB, State AGs Office and the local Dental Board, he shouldnt be practicing.","human_ref_B":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10524.0,"score_ratio":64.5833333333} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotb3xx","c_root_id_B":"gotot2m","created_at_utc_A":1614333049,"created_at_utc_B":1614344402,"score_A":9,"score_B":775,"human_ref_A":"Report him to the Office of the Superintendent of Insurance for the State of New Mexico.","human_ref_B":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11353.0,"score_ratio":86.1111111111} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotot2m","c_root_id_B":"gotbvoe","created_at_utc_A":1614344402,"created_at_utc_B":1614333798,"score_A":775,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","human_ref_B":"> I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" people say this all the time. Don't worry unless you actually get served with court papers. Even then, as long as you told the truth you will be fine, but consult a lawyer if you get served (which is highly unlikely).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10604.0,"score_ratio":155.0} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotot2m","c_root_id_B":"gothuqt","created_at_utc_A":1614344402,"created_at_utc_B":1614339409,"score_A":775,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"He's operating out of a trailer and stealing internet from the church. Something tells me he doesn't have the resources to sue anyone.","human_ref_B":"Ignore him unless you get an actual legal notice. If you get one, you may want to look up anti-SLAPP laws in your state","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4993.0,"score_ratio":193.75} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gos7600","c_root_id_B":"gotms9n","created_at_utc_A":1614305339,"created_at_utc_B":1614343081,"score_A":218,"score_B":238,"human_ref_A":"What I have discovered about people threatening to sue you, they never have an attorney on retainer, and are ignorant of the entire process. I am not a lawyer, but if someone threatens to sue me, I would reply \u201cthat\u2019s great, your deposition is going to be epic\u201d Also if he is using the Church\u2019s internet, you might want to give them a heads up about him being less than honest with things. In addition, you might want to contact your state\u2019s department of insurance and file a fraud complaint. Your dental insurance would probably be very supportive. I would ask my dental insurance if they have an SIU section. In my state, it\u2019s required every insurance company has to have a Special Investigation Unit. Be sure to mention the Facebook posts.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but I work in HR People who are upset say \u201cI\u2019m going to sue you\u201d People who actually bring lawsuits don\u2019t telegraph their intentions, they just file suit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":37742.0,"score_ratio":1.0917431193} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"goskao9","c_root_id_B":"gotms9n","created_at_utc_A":1614312267,"created_at_utc_B":1614343081,"score_A":142,"score_B":238,"human_ref_A":"What you're describing is a crime, and it has a name: insurance fraud. Tell your insurance company. In some jurisdictions (a quick glance tells me New Mexico is among them) your insurance company will be *required* to report him to the authorities. It's likely but not certain that your local police would not care or be involved, but the insurance company would have access to a specialized unit preparing these cases. Don't worry about him suing you. If it was true, you'll be fine, and I expect he'll be gone (one way or another) soon.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but I work in HR People who are upset say \u201cI\u2019m going to sue you\u201d People who actually bring lawsuits don\u2019t telegraph their intentions, they just file suit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30814.0,"score_ratio":1.676056338} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotms9n","c_root_id_B":"gothsij","created_at_utc_A":1614343081,"created_at_utc_B":1614339356,"score_A":238,"score_B":59,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, but I work in HR People who are upset say \u201cI\u2019m going to sue you\u201d People who actually bring lawsuits don\u2019t telegraph their intentions, they just file suit.","human_ref_B":"If you report to the local dental board they may consider having another dentist review your file, which would definitely work against him in court if the board were to publicly discipline him after determining that he billed for unperformed services. Source: medical board employee.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3725.0,"score_ratio":4.0338983051} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gostd1l","c_root_id_B":"gotms9n","created_at_utc_A":1614317940,"created_at_utc_B":1614343081,"score_A":47,"score_B":238,"human_ref_A":"He can *theoretically* sue you regardless of the merits of the case and if you find yourself properly served with a lawsuit, no matter how ridiculous, you have to treat it as serious to avoid summary judgement. An unfortunate implication of this system is that you can bully people with frivolous lawsuits, forcing them to spend some time and money getting the case dismissed. That said, relax. What you did is not remotely close to defamation so your risk is the annoyance of having to deal with a frivolous lawsuit, not losing a million dollars. (Why is it not remotely close? Well, 1. truth is an absolute defense to defamation 2. the burden is him to show not only that the claim was false but that you said it maliciously rather than mistakenly 3. the burden is on him to show economic damages caused by your specific review and not all of the other reviews complaining about the same point.) Moreover, I suspect even that risk is quite low. There are two situations in which you can get sued frivolously: 1. The person suing you actually thinks they have a case, because they don't understand the law or are irrational. 2. The person suing you is intentionally trying to bully you and is willing to incur their own legal fees to spite you. This guy is a broke dentist who sounds like he is probably violating the law himself. He clearly doesn't have the cash to throw around on random lawsuits and he has a lot more to lose than you do. I would bet good money he makes the same empty threat to everyone who writes a negative review.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but I work in HR People who are upset say \u201cI\u2019m going to sue you\u201d People who actually bring lawsuits don\u2019t telegraph their intentions, they just file suit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25141.0,"score_ratio":5.0638297872} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotiql1","c_root_id_B":"gotms9n","created_at_utc_A":1614340136,"created_at_utc_B":1614343081,"score_A":44,"score_B":238,"human_ref_A":"Life info: 1. The vast majority of the time when people threaten to sue, it is just a threat full of hot air to get you to do what they want. When people are serious about suing they are more likely to just do it than talk about it or at least have their lawyer send you a letter telling you to stop. 2. When people talk about a million dollars they are usually just talking. I'd be more concerned about someone threatening to sue for $450,000, because that sounds like they might know the law and have reasoning for their amount, instead of just being mad and wanting a million dollars. Specific to your situation: *It is unlikely he is going to sue you in the first place. If he does, it is going to cost you some time and money to deal with it, but from what you said here, he does not have a case. Additionally, it sounds like he does not have money to hire a lawyer. Are you wealthy? Even if he did have a case, a lawyer - among other things - might tell him it is not worth suing if there is nothing to get. Finally, based on your description of his practice, he doesn't sound like he is good at getting things together. *Do not respond to him or contact him in any way. *To oversimplify, defamation is basically telling lies about people that cause them harm. It does not sound like you have done that. Slander is defamation that is spoken. He meant libel which is written defamation. *If you get any official legal documents, be sure to show up in court and not ignore them. At that point, even if it is just small claims court, I would at least consult an attorney. So what do you do: *Just in case, document everything and save it. I would include your description of what happened (what you wrote here is fine.) Screen shot your review and others review. Save the voicemail he sent you. I'd also keep a copy of your insurance charges and note any communication you have with insurance. If you save it electronically, be sure to back it up. If he actually did sue or continues to harass you, all of these things would be very useful and they may be useful for the following. *If you want, you would not be wrong to take further action. There is someone who oversees insurance for your state. The insurance company presumably has contacted them, but you can as well. I think the party that licensed dentists would be interested in hearing about your experience as well - the insurance company would not have contacted them. If you are really feeling upset, you may check the business licensing and see if he is supposed to be operating out of a trailer in that location. (This kind of set up is often used for dentist in low income areas with no insurance, so it's not unheard of - just not typical for one you'd go to when you are fully covered by insurance.) If he has a clinic in the area, why wouldn't he use it? You could do a little digging - maybe he is part of a practice but has this as a side business stealing customers from the greater practice and they are not aware. Is he on church property? I'm wondering if the church thinks he is running a free dentist clinic - assuming he has their consent - not his normal business. They may not be okay with this either. The guy seems super shady - I suspect there are more issues if you are feeling petty and have time to look into local laws. Personally, that sounds like too much work to me, but I would contact the dental board. TL;DR. Not getting sued. Document everything just in case I'm wrong. Don't call him back. If what you listed is accurate, he definitely does not have a case. Maybe contact dental licensing.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but I work in HR People who are upset say \u201cI\u2019m going to sue you\u201d People who actually bring lawsuits don\u2019t telegraph their intentions, they just file suit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2945.0,"score_ratio":5.4090909091} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotms9n","c_root_id_B":"gostm6d","created_at_utc_A":1614343081,"created_at_utc_B":1614318117,"score_A":238,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, but I work in HR People who are upset say \u201cI\u2019m going to sue you\u201d People who actually bring lawsuits don\u2019t telegraph their intentions, they just file suit.","human_ref_B":"A great many people threaten to sue but never do. The fact that he said \"slander and defamation\" means he likely has little understanding of legal terms. (Slander is spoken, libel is written, both are forms of defamation) NM has weak anti-SLAPP laws, but does allow for the recovery of reasonable legal fees if a motion to dismiss is successful. A truthful, negative review is fully within your 1A rights, and a strong argument for dismissal. Basically, if he sues you, contact the bar for a lawyer with experience in drafting anti-SLAPP motions. If it's dismissed, your lawyer goes after him for his fees.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24964.0,"score_ratio":7.6774193548} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotlqty","c_root_id_B":"gotms9n","created_at_utc_A":1614342367,"created_at_utc_B":1614343081,"score_A":17,"score_B":238,"human_ref_A":"​ << . I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. >> ​ No, the dentist is the one who is most likely going to be in trouble for fraudulent claims, he will probably have bigger things to worry about since he charged your insurance for a procedure that he cannot prove he performed","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but I work in HR People who are upset say \u201cI\u2019m going to sue you\u201d People who actually bring lawsuits don\u2019t telegraph their intentions, they just file suit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":714.0,"score_ratio":14.0} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"got43g7","c_root_id_B":"gotms9n","created_at_utc_A":1614326588,"created_at_utc_B":1614343081,"score_A":12,"score_B":238,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. I am not giving you qualified legal advice. You are responsible for the outcomes. You are not going to be homeless. Not by a bloody mile. There are two issues to look at. * Is your bad experience an opinion or fact? * Is your overcharging claim a demonstrable fact? Your bad experience is an opinion. You did not like it, and you voiced your opinion about not liking it. Your negative opinion is not a basis for a defamation case, full stop. If you made false claims about facts, such as he caused damage, doesn't have a license, or uses unhygienic practices, then you are liable for damages. Truth is an affirmative defense for defamation. Overcharging you is a demonstrative fact. If it is true, you can shout it out at the top of your lungs all day, and he can do nothing about it. If you lied, then you are in trouble. It is simple enough a fact to prove. Tell your insurance company what he threatened you with, and ask for a copy of their conclusions. If they balk at sharing, get your lawyer to ask for their conclusions. Get a lawyer to take care of this for you. This is a simple case. It may pay off to pay attention to the dentist's statements now, and figure out if you are being defamed in turn.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but I work in HR People who are upset say \u201cI\u2019m going to sue you\u201d People who actually bring lawsuits don\u2019t telegraph their intentions, they just file suit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16493.0,"score_ratio":19.8333333333} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotbymy","c_root_id_B":"gotms9n","created_at_utc_A":1614333878,"created_at_utc_B":1614343081,"score_A":12,"score_B":238,"human_ref_A":"Also, report him to the BBB, State AGs Office and the local Dental Board, he shouldnt be practicing.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but I work in HR People who are upset say \u201cI\u2019m going to sue you\u201d People who actually bring lawsuits don\u2019t telegraph their intentions, they just file suit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9203.0,"score_ratio":19.8333333333} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotb3xx","c_root_id_B":"gotms9n","created_at_utc_A":1614333049,"created_at_utc_B":1614343081,"score_A":9,"score_B":238,"human_ref_A":"Report him to the Office of the Superintendent of Insurance for the State of New Mexico.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but I work in HR People who are upset say \u201cI\u2019m going to sue you\u201d People who actually bring lawsuits don\u2019t telegraph their intentions, they just file suit.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10032.0,"score_ratio":26.4444444444} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotms9n","c_root_id_B":"gotbvoe","created_at_utc_A":1614343081,"created_at_utc_B":1614333798,"score_A":238,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, but I work in HR People who are upset say \u201cI\u2019m going to sue you\u201d People who actually bring lawsuits don\u2019t telegraph their intentions, they just file suit.","human_ref_B":"> I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" people say this all the time. Don't worry unless you actually get served with court papers. Even then, as long as you told the truth you will be fine, but consult a lawyer if you get served (which is highly unlikely).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9283.0,"score_ratio":47.6} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotms9n","c_root_id_B":"gothuqt","created_at_utc_A":1614343081,"created_at_utc_B":1614339409,"score_A":238,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, but I work in HR People who are upset say \u201cI\u2019m going to sue you\u201d People who actually bring lawsuits don\u2019t telegraph their intentions, they just file suit.","human_ref_B":"Ignore him unless you get an actual legal notice. If you get one, you may want to look up anti-SLAPP laws in your state","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3672.0,"score_ratio":59.5} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gostd1l","c_root_id_B":"gothsij","created_at_utc_A":1614317940,"created_at_utc_B":1614339356,"score_A":47,"score_B":59,"human_ref_A":"He can *theoretically* sue you regardless of the merits of the case and if you find yourself properly served with a lawsuit, no matter how ridiculous, you have to treat it as serious to avoid summary judgement. An unfortunate implication of this system is that you can bully people with frivolous lawsuits, forcing them to spend some time and money getting the case dismissed. That said, relax. What you did is not remotely close to defamation so your risk is the annoyance of having to deal with a frivolous lawsuit, not losing a million dollars. (Why is it not remotely close? Well, 1. truth is an absolute defense to defamation 2. the burden is him to show not only that the claim was false but that you said it maliciously rather than mistakenly 3. the burden is on him to show economic damages caused by your specific review and not all of the other reviews complaining about the same point.) Moreover, I suspect even that risk is quite low. There are two situations in which you can get sued frivolously: 1. The person suing you actually thinks they have a case, because they don't understand the law or are irrational. 2. The person suing you is intentionally trying to bully you and is willing to incur their own legal fees to spite you. This guy is a broke dentist who sounds like he is probably violating the law himself. He clearly doesn't have the cash to throw around on random lawsuits and he has a lot more to lose than you do. I would bet good money he makes the same empty threat to everyone who writes a negative review.","human_ref_B":"If you report to the local dental board they may consider having another dentist review your file, which would definitely work against him in court if the board were to publicly discipline him after determining that he billed for unperformed services. Source: medical board employee.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21416.0,"score_ratio":1.2553191489} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gothsij","c_root_id_B":"gostm6d","created_at_utc_A":1614339356,"created_at_utc_B":1614318117,"score_A":59,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"If you report to the local dental board they may consider having another dentist review your file, which would definitely work against him in court if the board were to publicly discipline him after determining that he billed for unperformed services. Source: medical board employee.","human_ref_B":"A great many people threaten to sue but never do. The fact that he said \"slander and defamation\" means he likely has little understanding of legal terms. (Slander is spoken, libel is written, both are forms of defamation) NM has weak anti-SLAPP laws, but does allow for the recovery of reasonable legal fees if a motion to dismiss is successful. A truthful, negative review is fully within your 1A rights, and a strong argument for dismissal. Basically, if he sues you, contact the bar for a lawyer with experience in drafting anti-SLAPP motions. If it's dismissed, your lawyer goes after him for his fees.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21239.0,"score_ratio":1.9032258065} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"got43g7","c_root_id_B":"gothsij","created_at_utc_A":1614326588,"created_at_utc_B":1614339356,"score_A":12,"score_B":59,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. I am not giving you qualified legal advice. You are responsible for the outcomes. You are not going to be homeless. Not by a bloody mile. There are two issues to look at. * Is your bad experience an opinion or fact? * Is your overcharging claim a demonstrable fact? Your bad experience is an opinion. You did not like it, and you voiced your opinion about not liking it. Your negative opinion is not a basis for a defamation case, full stop. If you made false claims about facts, such as he caused damage, doesn't have a license, or uses unhygienic practices, then you are liable for damages. Truth is an affirmative defense for defamation. Overcharging you is a demonstrative fact. If it is true, you can shout it out at the top of your lungs all day, and he can do nothing about it. If you lied, then you are in trouble. It is simple enough a fact to prove. Tell your insurance company what he threatened you with, and ask for a copy of their conclusions. If they balk at sharing, get your lawyer to ask for their conclusions. Get a lawyer to take care of this for you. This is a simple case. It may pay off to pay attention to the dentist's statements now, and figure out if you are being defamed in turn.","human_ref_B":"If you report to the local dental board they may consider having another dentist review your file, which would definitely work against him in court if the board were to publicly discipline him after determining that he billed for unperformed services. Source: medical board employee.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12768.0,"score_ratio":4.9166666667} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotbymy","c_root_id_B":"gothsij","created_at_utc_A":1614333878,"created_at_utc_B":1614339356,"score_A":12,"score_B":59,"human_ref_A":"Also, report him to the BBB, State AGs Office and the local Dental Board, he shouldnt be practicing.","human_ref_B":"If you report to the local dental board they may consider having another dentist review your file, which would definitely work against him in court if the board were to publicly discipline him after determining that he billed for unperformed services. Source: medical board employee.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5478.0,"score_ratio":4.9166666667} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotb3xx","c_root_id_B":"gothsij","created_at_utc_A":1614333049,"created_at_utc_B":1614339356,"score_A":9,"score_B":59,"human_ref_A":"Report him to the Office of the Superintendent of Insurance for the State of New Mexico.","human_ref_B":"If you report to the local dental board they may consider having another dentist review your file, which would definitely work against him in court if the board were to publicly discipline him after determining that he billed for unperformed services. Source: medical board employee.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6307.0,"score_ratio":6.5555555556} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotbvoe","c_root_id_B":"gothsij","created_at_utc_A":1614333798,"created_at_utc_B":1614339356,"score_A":5,"score_B":59,"human_ref_A":"> I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" people say this all the time. Don't worry unless you actually get served with court papers. Even then, as long as you told the truth you will be fine, but consult a lawyer if you get served (which is highly unlikely).","human_ref_B":"If you report to the local dental board they may consider having another dentist review your file, which would definitely work against him in court if the board were to publicly discipline him after determining that he billed for unperformed services. Source: medical board employee.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5558.0,"score_ratio":11.8} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotiql1","c_root_id_B":"gostm6d","created_at_utc_A":1614340136,"created_at_utc_B":1614318117,"score_A":44,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"Life info: 1. The vast majority of the time when people threaten to sue, it is just a threat full of hot air to get you to do what they want. When people are serious about suing they are more likely to just do it than talk about it or at least have their lawyer send you a letter telling you to stop. 2. When people talk about a million dollars they are usually just talking. I'd be more concerned about someone threatening to sue for $450,000, because that sounds like they might know the law and have reasoning for their amount, instead of just being mad and wanting a million dollars. Specific to your situation: *It is unlikely he is going to sue you in the first place. If he does, it is going to cost you some time and money to deal with it, but from what you said here, he does not have a case. Additionally, it sounds like he does not have money to hire a lawyer. Are you wealthy? Even if he did have a case, a lawyer - among other things - might tell him it is not worth suing if there is nothing to get. Finally, based on your description of his practice, he doesn't sound like he is good at getting things together. *Do not respond to him or contact him in any way. *To oversimplify, defamation is basically telling lies about people that cause them harm. It does not sound like you have done that. Slander is defamation that is spoken. He meant libel which is written defamation. *If you get any official legal documents, be sure to show up in court and not ignore them. At that point, even if it is just small claims court, I would at least consult an attorney. So what do you do: *Just in case, document everything and save it. I would include your description of what happened (what you wrote here is fine.) Screen shot your review and others review. Save the voicemail he sent you. I'd also keep a copy of your insurance charges and note any communication you have with insurance. If you save it electronically, be sure to back it up. If he actually did sue or continues to harass you, all of these things would be very useful and they may be useful for the following. *If you want, you would not be wrong to take further action. There is someone who oversees insurance for your state. The insurance company presumably has contacted them, but you can as well. I think the party that licensed dentists would be interested in hearing about your experience as well - the insurance company would not have contacted them. If you are really feeling upset, you may check the business licensing and see if he is supposed to be operating out of a trailer in that location. (This kind of set up is often used for dentist in low income areas with no insurance, so it's not unheard of - just not typical for one you'd go to when you are fully covered by insurance.) If he has a clinic in the area, why wouldn't he use it? You could do a little digging - maybe he is part of a practice but has this as a side business stealing customers from the greater practice and they are not aware. Is he on church property? I'm wondering if the church thinks he is running a free dentist clinic - assuming he has their consent - not his normal business. They may not be okay with this either. The guy seems super shady - I suspect there are more issues if you are feeling petty and have time to look into local laws. Personally, that sounds like too much work to me, but I would contact the dental board. TL;DR. Not getting sued. Document everything just in case I'm wrong. Don't call him back. If what you listed is accurate, he definitely does not have a case. Maybe contact dental licensing.","human_ref_B":"A great many people threaten to sue but never do. The fact that he said \"slander and defamation\" means he likely has little understanding of legal terms. (Slander is spoken, libel is written, both are forms of defamation) NM has weak anti-SLAPP laws, but does allow for the recovery of reasonable legal fees if a motion to dismiss is successful. A truthful, negative review is fully within your 1A rights, and a strong argument for dismissal. Basically, if he sues you, contact the bar for a lawyer with experience in drafting anti-SLAPP motions. If it's dismissed, your lawyer goes after him for his fees.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22019.0,"score_ratio":1.4193548387} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"got43g7","c_root_id_B":"gotiql1","created_at_utc_A":1614326588,"created_at_utc_B":1614340136,"score_A":12,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. I am not giving you qualified legal advice. You are responsible for the outcomes. You are not going to be homeless. Not by a bloody mile. There are two issues to look at. * Is your bad experience an opinion or fact? * Is your overcharging claim a demonstrable fact? Your bad experience is an opinion. You did not like it, and you voiced your opinion about not liking it. Your negative opinion is not a basis for a defamation case, full stop. If you made false claims about facts, such as he caused damage, doesn't have a license, or uses unhygienic practices, then you are liable for damages. Truth is an affirmative defense for defamation. Overcharging you is a demonstrative fact. If it is true, you can shout it out at the top of your lungs all day, and he can do nothing about it. If you lied, then you are in trouble. It is simple enough a fact to prove. Tell your insurance company what he threatened you with, and ask for a copy of their conclusions. If they balk at sharing, get your lawyer to ask for their conclusions. Get a lawyer to take care of this for you. This is a simple case. It may pay off to pay attention to the dentist's statements now, and figure out if you are being defamed in turn.","human_ref_B":"Life info: 1. The vast majority of the time when people threaten to sue, it is just a threat full of hot air to get you to do what they want. When people are serious about suing they are more likely to just do it than talk about it or at least have their lawyer send you a letter telling you to stop. 2. When people talk about a million dollars they are usually just talking. I'd be more concerned about someone threatening to sue for $450,000, because that sounds like they might know the law and have reasoning for their amount, instead of just being mad and wanting a million dollars. Specific to your situation: *It is unlikely he is going to sue you in the first place. If he does, it is going to cost you some time and money to deal with it, but from what you said here, he does not have a case. Additionally, it sounds like he does not have money to hire a lawyer. Are you wealthy? Even if he did have a case, a lawyer - among other things - might tell him it is not worth suing if there is nothing to get. Finally, based on your description of his practice, he doesn't sound like he is good at getting things together. *Do not respond to him or contact him in any way. *To oversimplify, defamation is basically telling lies about people that cause them harm. It does not sound like you have done that. Slander is defamation that is spoken. He meant libel which is written defamation. *If you get any official legal documents, be sure to show up in court and not ignore them. At that point, even if it is just small claims court, I would at least consult an attorney. So what do you do: *Just in case, document everything and save it. I would include your description of what happened (what you wrote here is fine.) Screen shot your review and others review. Save the voicemail he sent you. I'd also keep a copy of your insurance charges and note any communication you have with insurance. If you save it electronically, be sure to back it up. If he actually did sue or continues to harass you, all of these things would be very useful and they may be useful for the following. *If you want, you would not be wrong to take further action. There is someone who oversees insurance for your state. The insurance company presumably has contacted them, but you can as well. I think the party that licensed dentists would be interested in hearing about your experience as well - the insurance company would not have contacted them. If you are really feeling upset, you may check the business licensing and see if he is supposed to be operating out of a trailer in that location. (This kind of set up is often used for dentist in low income areas with no insurance, so it's not unheard of - just not typical for one you'd go to when you are fully covered by insurance.) If he has a clinic in the area, why wouldn't he use it? You could do a little digging - maybe he is part of a practice but has this as a side business stealing customers from the greater practice and they are not aware. Is he on church property? I'm wondering if the church thinks he is running a free dentist clinic - assuming he has their consent - not his normal business. They may not be okay with this either. The guy seems super shady - I suspect there are more issues if you are feeling petty and have time to look into local laws. Personally, that sounds like too much work to me, but I would contact the dental board. TL;DR. Not getting sued. Document everything just in case I'm wrong. Don't call him back. If what you listed is accurate, he definitely does not have a case. Maybe contact dental licensing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13548.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotiql1","c_root_id_B":"gotbymy","created_at_utc_A":1614340136,"created_at_utc_B":1614333878,"score_A":44,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Life info: 1. The vast majority of the time when people threaten to sue, it is just a threat full of hot air to get you to do what they want. When people are serious about suing they are more likely to just do it than talk about it or at least have their lawyer send you a letter telling you to stop. 2. When people talk about a million dollars they are usually just talking. I'd be more concerned about someone threatening to sue for $450,000, because that sounds like they might know the law and have reasoning for their amount, instead of just being mad and wanting a million dollars. Specific to your situation: *It is unlikely he is going to sue you in the first place. If he does, it is going to cost you some time and money to deal with it, but from what you said here, he does not have a case. Additionally, it sounds like he does not have money to hire a lawyer. Are you wealthy? Even if he did have a case, a lawyer - among other things - might tell him it is not worth suing if there is nothing to get. Finally, based on your description of his practice, he doesn't sound like he is good at getting things together. *Do not respond to him or contact him in any way. *To oversimplify, defamation is basically telling lies about people that cause them harm. It does not sound like you have done that. Slander is defamation that is spoken. He meant libel which is written defamation. *If you get any official legal documents, be sure to show up in court and not ignore them. At that point, even if it is just small claims court, I would at least consult an attorney. So what do you do: *Just in case, document everything and save it. I would include your description of what happened (what you wrote here is fine.) Screen shot your review and others review. Save the voicemail he sent you. I'd also keep a copy of your insurance charges and note any communication you have with insurance. If you save it electronically, be sure to back it up. If he actually did sue or continues to harass you, all of these things would be very useful and they may be useful for the following. *If you want, you would not be wrong to take further action. There is someone who oversees insurance for your state. The insurance company presumably has contacted them, but you can as well. I think the party that licensed dentists would be interested in hearing about your experience as well - the insurance company would not have contacted them. If you are really feeling upset, you may check the business licensing and see if he is supposed to be operating out of a trailer in that location. (This kind of set up is often used for dentist in low income areas with no insurance, so it's not unheard of - just not typical for one you'd go to when you are fully covered by insurance.) If he has a clinic in the area, why wouldn't he use it? You could do a little digging - maybe he is part of a practice but has this as a side business stealing customers from the greater practice and they are not aware. Is he on church property? I'm wondering if the church thinks he is running a free dentist clinic - assuming he has their consent - not his normal business. They may not be okay with this either. The guy seems super shady - I suspect there are more issues if you are feeling petty and have time to look into local laws. Personally, that sounds like too much work to me, but I would contact the dental board. TL;DR. Not getting sued. Document everything just in case I'm wrong. Don't call him back. If what you listed is accurate, he definitely does not have a case. Maybe contact dental licensing.","human_ref_B":"Also, report him to the BBB, State AGs Office and the local Dental Board, he shouldnt be practicing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6258.0,"score_ratio":3.6666666667} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotb3xx","c_root_id_B":"gotiql1","created_at_utc_A":1614333049,"created_at_utc_B":1614340136,"score_A":9,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"Report him to the Office of the Superintendent of Insurance for the State of New Mexico.","human_ref_B":"Life info: 1. The vast majority of the time when people threaten to sue, it is just a threat full of hot air to get you to do what they want. When people are serious about suing they are more likely to just do it than talk about it or at least have their lawyer send you a letter telling you to stop. 2. When people talk about a million dollars they are usually just talking. I'd be more concerned about someone threatening to sue for $450,000, because that sounds like they might know the law and have reasoning for their amount, instead of just being mad and wanting a million dollars. Specific to your situation: *It is unlikely he is going to sue you in the first place. If he does, it is going to cost you some time and money to deal with it, but from what you said here, he does not have a case. Additionally, it sounds like he does not have money to hire a lawyer. Are you wealthy? Even if he did have a case, a lawyer - among other things - might tell him it is not worth suing if there is nothing to get. Finally, based on your description of his practice, he doesn't sound like he is good at getting things together. *Do not respond to him or contact him in any way. *To oversimplify, defamation is basically telling lies about people that cause them harm. It does not sound like you have done that. Slander is defamation that is spoken. He meant libel which is written defamation. *If you get any official legal documents, be sure to show up in court and not ignore them. At that point, even if it is just small claims court, I would at least consult an attorney. So what do you do: *Just in case, document everything and save it. I would include your description of what happened (what you wrote here is fine.) Screen shot your review and others review. Save the voicemail he sent you. I'd also keep a copy of your insurance charges and note any communication you have with insurance. If you save it electronically, be sure to back it up. If he actually did sue or continues to harass you, all of these things would be very useful and they may be useful for the following. *If you want, you would not be wrong to take further action. There is someone who oversees insurance for your state. The insurance company presumably has contacted them, but you can as well. I think the party that licensed dentists would be interested in hearing about your experience as well - the insurance company would not have contacted them. If you are really feeling upset, you may check the business licensing and see if he is supposed to be operating out of a trailer in that location. (This kind of set up is often used for dentist in low income areas with no insurance, so it's not unheard of - just not typical for one you'd go to when you are fully covered by insurance.) If he has a clinic in the area, why wouldn't he use it? You could do a little digging - maybe he is part of a practice but has this as a side business stealing customers from the greater practice and they are not aware. Is he on church property? I'm wondering if the church thinks he is running a free dentist clinic - assuming he has their consent - not his normal business. They may not be okay with this either. The guy seems super shady - I suspect there are more issues if you are feeling petty and have time to look into local laws. Personally, that sounds like too much work to me, but I would contact the dental board. TL;DR. Not getting sued. Document everything just in case I'm wrong. Don't call him back. If what you listed is accurate, he definitely does not have a case. Maybe contact dental licensing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7087.0,"score_ratio":4.8888888889} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotiql1","c_root_id_B":"gotbvoe","created_at_utc_A":1614340136,"created_at_utc_B":1614333798,"score_A":44,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Life info: 1. The vast majority of the time when people threaten to sue, it is just a threat full of hot air to get you to do what they want. When people are serious about suing they are more likely to just do it than talk about it or at least have their lawyer send you a letter telling you to stop. 2. When people talk about a million dollars they are usually just talking. I'd be more concerned about someone threatening to sue for $450,000, because that sounds like they might know the law and have reasoning for their amount, instead of just being mad and wanting a million dollars. Specific to your situation: *It is unlikely he is going to sue you in the first place. If he does, it is going to cost you some time and money to deal with it, but from what you said here, he does not have a case. Additionally, it sounds like he does not have money to hire a lawyer. Are you wealthy? Even if he did have a case, a lawyer - among other things - might tell him it is not worth suing if there is nothing to get. Finally, based on your description of his practice, he doesn't sound like he is good at getting things together. *Do not respond to him or contact him in any way. *To oversimplify, defamation is basically telling lies about people that cause them harm. It does not sound like you have done that. Slander is defamation that is spoken. He meant libel which is written defamation. *If you get any official legal documents, be sure to show up in court and not ignore them. At that point, even if it is just small claims court, I would at least consult an attorney. So what do you do: *Just in case, document everything and save it. I would include your description of what happened (what you wrote here is fine.) Screen shot your review and others review. Save the voicemail he sent you. I'd also keep a copy of your insurance charges and note any communication you have with insurance. If you save it electronically, be sure to back it up. If he actually did sue or continues to harass you, all of these things would be very useful and they may be useful for the following. *If you want, you would not be wrong to take further action. There is someone who oversees insurance for your state. The insurance company presumably has contacted them, but you can as well. I think the party that licensed dentists would be interested in hearing about your experience as well - the insurance company would not have contacted them. If you are really feeling upset, you may check the business licensing and see if he is supposed to be operating out of a trailer in that location. (This kind of set up is often used for dentist in low income areas with no insurance, so it's not unheard of - just not typical for one you'd go to when you are fully covered by insurance.) If he has a clinic in the area, why wouldn't he use it? You could do a little digging - maybe he is part of a practice but has this as a side business stealing customers from the greater practice and they are not aware. Is he on church property? I'm wondering if the church thinks he is running a free dentist clinic - assuming he has their consent - not his normal business. They may not be okay with this either. The guy seems super shady - I suspect there are more issues if you are feeling petty and have time to look into local laws. Personally, that sounds like too much work to me, but I would contact the dental board. TL;DR. Not getting sued. Document everything just in case I'm wrong. Don't call him back. If what you listed is accurate, he definitely does not have a case. Maybe contact dental licensing.","human_ref_B":"> I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" people say this all the time. Don't worry unless you actually get served with court papers. Even then, as long as you told the truth you will be fine, but consult a lawyer if you get served (which is highly unlikely).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6338.0,"score_ratio":8.8} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotiql1","c_root_id_B":"gothuqt","created_at_utc_A":1614340136,"created_at_utc_B":1614339409,"score_A":44,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Life info: 1. The vast majority of the time when people threaten to sue, it is just a threat full of hot air to get you to do what they want. When people are serious about suing they are more likely to just do it than talk about it or at least have their lawyer send you a letter telling you to stop. 2. When people talk about a million dollars they are usually just talking. I'd be more concerned about someone threatening to sue for $450,000, because that sounds like they might know the law and have reasoning for their amount, instead of just being mad and wanting a million dollars. Specific to your situation: *It is unlikely he is going to sue you in the first place. If he does, it is going to cost you some time and money to deal with it, but from what you said here, he does not have a case. Additionally, it sounds like he does not have money to hire a lawyer. Are you wealthy? Even if he did have a case, a lawyer - among other things - might tell him it is not worth suing if there is nothing to get. Finally, based on your description of his practice, he doesn't sound like he is good at getting things together. *Do not respond to him or contact him in any way. *To oversimplify, defamation is basically telling lies about people that cause them harm. It does not sound like you have done that. Slander is defamation that is spoken. He meant libel which is written defamation. *If you get any official legal documents, be sure to show up in court and not ignore them. At that point, even if it is just small claims court, I would at least consult an attorney. So what do you do: *Just in case, document everything and save it. I would include your description of what happened (what you wrote here is fine.) Screen shot your review and others review. Save the voicemail he sent you. I'd also keep a copy of your insurance charges and note any communication you have with insurance. If you save it electronically, be sure to back it up. If he actually did sue or continues to harass you, all of these things would be very useful and they may be useful for the following. *If you want, you would not be wrong to take further action. There is someone who oversees insurance for your state. The insurance company presumably has contacted them, but you can as well. I think the party that licensed dentists would be interested in hearing about your experience as well - the insurance company would not have contacted them. If you are really feeling upset, you may check the business licensing and see if he is supposed to be operating out of a trailer in that location. (This kind of set up is often used for dentist in low income areas with no insurance, so it's not unheard of - just not typical for one you'd go to when you are fully covered by insurance.) If he has a clinic in the area, why wouldn't he use it? You could do a little digging - maybe he is part of a practice but has this as a side business stealing customers from the greater practice and they are not aware. Is he on church property? I'm wondering if the church thinks he is running a free dentist clinic - assuming he has their consent - not his normal business. They may not be okay with this either. The guy seems super shady - I suspect there are more issues if you are feeling petty and have time to look into local laws. Personally, that sounds like too much work to me, but I would contact the dental board. TL;DR. Not getting sued. Document everything just in case I'm wrong. Don't call him back. If what you listed is accurate, he definitely does not have a case. Maybe contact dental licensing.","human_ref_B":"Ignore him unless you get an actual legal notice. If you get one, you may want to look up anti-SLAPP laws in your state","labels":1,"seconds_difference":727.0,"score_ratio":11.0} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"got43g7","c_root_id_B":"gotlqty","created_at_utc_A":1614326588,"created_at_utc_B":1614342367,"score_A":12,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. I am not giving you qualified legal advice. You are responsible for the outcomes. You are not going to be homeless. Not by a bloody mile. There are two issues to look at. * Is your bad experience an opinion or fact? * Is your overcharging claim a demonstrable fact? Your bad experience is an opinion. You did not like it, and you voiced your opinion about not liking it. Your negative opinion is not a basis for a defamation case, full stop. If you made false claims about facts, such as he caused damage, doesn't have a license, or uses unhygienic practices, then you are liable for damages. Truth is an affirmative defense for defamation. Overcharging you is a demonstrative fact. If it is true, you can shout it out at the top of your lungs all day, and he can do nothing about it. If you lied, then you are in trouble. It is simple enough a fact to prove. Tell your insurance company what he threatened you with, and ask for a copy of their conclusions. If they balk at sharing, get your lawyer to ask for their conclusions. Get a lawyer to take care of this for you. This is a simple case. It may pay off to pay attention to the dentist's statements now, and figure out if you are being defamed in turn.","human_ref_B":"​ << . I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. >> ​ No, the dentist is the one who is most likely going to be in trouble for fraudulent claims, he will probably have bigger things to worry about since he charged your insurance for a procedure that he cannot prove he performed","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15779.0,"score_ratio":1.4166666667} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotbymy","c_root_id_B":"gotlqty","created_at_utc_A":1614333878,"created_at_utc_B":1614342367,"score_A":12,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Also, report him to the BBB, State AGs Office and the local Dental Board, he shouldnt be practicing.","human_ref_B":"​ << . I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. >> ​ No, the dentist is the one who is most likely going to be in trouble for fraudulent claims, he will probably have bigger things to worry about since he charged your insurance for a procedure that he cannot prove he performed","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8489.0,"score_ratio":1.4166666667} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotlqty","c_root_id_B":"gotb3xx","created_at_utc_A":1614342367,"created_at_utc_B":1614333049,"score_A":17,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"​ << . I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. >> ​ No, the dentist is the one who is most likely going to be in trouble for fraudulent claims, he will probably have bigger things to worry about since he charged your insurance for a procedure that he cannot prove he performed","human_ref_B":"Report him to the Office of the Superintendent of Insurance for the State of New Mexico.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9318.0,"score_ratio":1.8888888889} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotbvoe","c_root_id_B":"gotlqty","created_at_utc_A":1614333798,"created_at_utc_B":1614342367,"score_A":5,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"> I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" people say this all the time. Don't worry unless you actually get served with court papers. Even then, as long as you told the truth you will be fine, but consult a lawyer if you get served (which is highly unlikely).","human_ref_B":"​ << . I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. >> ​ No, the dentist is the one who is most likely going to be in trouble for fraudulent claims, he will probably have bigger things to worry about since he charged your insurance for a procedure that he cannot prove he performed","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8569.0,"score_ratio":3.4} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotlqty","c_root_id_B":"gothuqt","created_at_utc_A":1614342367,"created_at_utc_B":1614339409,"score_A":17,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"​ << . I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. >> ​ No, the dentist is the one who is most likely going to be in trouble for fraudulent claims, he will probably have bigger things to worry about since he charged your insurance for a procedure that he cannot prove he performed","human_ref_B":"Ignore him unless you get an actual legal notice. If you get one, you may want to look up anti-SLAPP laws in your state","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2958.0,"score_ratio":4.25} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotoagl","c_root_id_B":"got43g7","created_at_utc_A":1614344074,"created_at_utc_B":1614326588,"score_A":14,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer but Bottom line; if he is going to sue you for 1 million dollars he will need to take it to normal court not small claims court. Keep the voice mail, keep any dialogue from your insurance and most important if you receive anything in the mail make sure to verify it and then properly respond. I am going to go out on a limb and say the guy working out of a trailer stealing church WiFi isn\u2019t going to have the money to hire a lawyer to sue you for a million, specially since that\u2019s like the definition of a frivolous lawsuit and has an extremely low chance of being heard let alone won as long as what you said was true. If the guy keep hounding you update the review to say that. Hopefully it scare s enough people away. Also probably not a bad idea to notify the church he is doing that. I am sure their insurance would not appreciate the liability he is giving them by operating a medical facility on their property. Doesn\u2019t sound like he has their permission","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer. I am not giving you qualified legal advice. You are responsible for the outcomes. You are not going to be homeless. Not by a bloody mile. There are two issues to look at. * Is your bad experience an opinion or fact? * Is your overcharging claim a demonstrable fact? Your bad experience is an opinion. You did not like it, and you voiced your opinion about not liking it. Your negative opinion is not a basis for a defamation case, full stop. If you made false claims about facts, such as he caused damage, doesn't have a license, or uses unhygienic practices, then you are liable for damages. Truth is an affirmative defense for defamation. Overcharging you is a demonstrative fact. If it is true, you can shout it out at the top of your lungs all day, and he can do nothing about it. If you lied, then you are in trouble. It is simple enough a fact to prove. Tell your insurance company what he threatened you with, and ask for a copy of their conclusions. If they balk at sharing, get your lawyer to ask for their conclusions. Get a lawyer to take care of this for you. This is a simple case. It may pay off to pay attention to the dentist's statements now, and figure out if you are being defamed in turn.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17486.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotoagl","c_root_id_B":"gotbymy","created_at_utc_A":1614344074,"created_at_utc_B":1614333878,"score_A":14,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer but Bottom line; if he is going to sue you for 1 million dollars he will need to take it to normal court not small claims court. Keep the voice mail, keep any dialogue from your insurance and most important if you receive anything in the mail make sure to verify it and then properly respond. I am going to go out on a limb and say the guy working out of a trailer stealing church WiFi isn\u2019t going to have the money to hire a lawyer to sue you for a million, specially since that\u2019s like the definition of a frivolous lawsuit and has an extremely low chance of being heard let alone won as long as what you said was true. If the guy keep hounding you update the review to say that. Hopefully it scare s enough people away. Also probably not a bad idea to notify the church he is doing that. I am sure their insurance would not appreciate the liability he is giving them by operating a medical facility on their property. Doesn\u2019t sound like he has their permission","human_ref_B":"Also, report him to the BBB, State AGs Office and the local Dental Board, he shouldnt be practicing.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10196.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotb3xx","c_root_id_B":"gotoagl","created_at_utc_A":1614333049,"created_at_utc_B":1614344074,"score_A":9,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Report him to the Office of the Superintendent of Insurance for the State of New Mexico.","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer but Bottom line; if he is going to sue you for 1 million dollars he will need to take it to normal court not small claims court. Keep the voice mail, keep any dialogue from your insurance and most important if you receive anything in the mail make sure to verify it and then properly respond. I am going to go out on a limb and say the guy working out of a trailer stealing church WiFi isn\u2019t going to have the money to hire a lawyer to sue you for a million, specially since that\u2019s like the definition of a frivolous lawsuit and has an extremely low chance of being heard let alone won as long as what you said was true. If the guy keep hounding you update the review to say that. Hopefully it scare s enough people away. Also probably not a bad idea to notify the church he is doing that. I am sure their insurance would not appreciate the liability he is giving them by operating a medical facility on their property. Doesn\u2019t sound like he has their permission","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11025.0,"score_ratio":1.5555555556} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotoagl","c_root_id_B":"gotbvoe","created_at_utc_A":1614344074,"created_at_utc_B":1614333798,"score_A":14,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer but Bottom line; if he is going to sue you for 1 million dollars he will need to take it to normal court not small claims court. Keep the voice mail, keep any dialogue from your insurance and most important if you receive anything in the mail make sure to verify it and then properly respond. I am going to go out on a limb and say the guy working out of a trailer stealing church WiFi isn\u2019t going to have the money to hire a lawyer to sue you for a million, specially since that\u2019s like the definition of a frivolous lawsuit and has an extremely low chance of being heard let alone won as long as what you said was true. If the guy keep hounding you update the review to say that. Hopefully it scare s enough people away. Also probably not a bad idea to notify the church he is doing that. I am sure their insurance would not appreciate the liability he is giving them by operating a medical facility on their property. Doesn\u2019t sound like he has their permission","human_ref_B":"> I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" people say this all the time. Don't worry unless you actually get served with court papers. Even then, as long as you told the truth you will be fine, but consult a lawyer if you get served (which is highly unlikely).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10276.0,"score_ratio":2.8} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotoagl","c_root_id_B":"gothuqt","created_at_utc_A":1614344074,"created_at_utc_B":1614339409,"score_A":14,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer but Bottom line; if he is going to sue you for 1 million dollars he will need to take it to normal court not small claims court. Keep the voice mail, keep any dialogue from your insurance and most important if you receive anything in the mail make sure to verify it and then properly respond. I am going to go out on a limb and say the guy working out of a trailer stealing church WiFi isn\u2019t going to have the money to hire a lawyer to sue you for a million, specially since that\u2019s like the definition of a frivolous lawsuit and has an extremely low chance of being heard let alone won as long as what you said was true. If the guy keep hounding you update the review to say that. Hopefully it scare s enough people away. Also probably not a bad idea to notify the church he is doing that. I am sure their insurance would not appreciate the liability he is giving them by operating a medical facility on their property. Doesn\u2019t sound like he has their permission","human_ref_B":"Ignore him unless you get an actual legal notice. If you get one, you may want to look up anti-SLAPP laws in your state","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4665.0,"score_ratio":3.5} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotbymy","c_root_id_B":"gotb3xx","created_at_utc_A":1614333878,"created_at_utc_B":1614333049,"score_A":12,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Also, report him to the BBB, State AGs Office and the local Dental Board, he shouldnt be practicing.","human_ref_B":"Report him to the Office of the Superintendent of Insurance for the State of New Mexico.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":829.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotbvoe","c_root_id_B":"gotbymy","created_at_utc_A":1614333798,"created_at_utc_B":1614333878,"score_A":5,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"> I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" people say this all the time. Don't worry unless you actually get served with court papers. Even then, as long as you told the truth you will be fine, but consult a lawyer if you get served (which is highly unlikely).","human_ref_B":"Also, report him to the BBB, State AGs Office and the local Dental Board, he shouldnt be practicing.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":80.0,"score_ratio":2.4} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gotbvoe","c_root_id_B":"gott46q","created_at_utc_A":1614333798,"created_at_utc_B":1614346938,"score_A":5,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"> I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" people say this all the time. Don't worry unless you actually get served with court papers. Even then, as long as you told the truth you will be fine, but consult a lawyer if you get served (which is highly unlikely).","human_ref_B":"If other people are saying the same thing about being overcharged on the dentist's facebook page, he doesn't have a case. I'd get a lawyer to be on the safe side, but I doubt this will go anywhere.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13140.0,"score_ratio":1.8} {"post_id":"lsmoez","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"Dentist is threathening to sue me for 10 million dollars because of a negative review. This all began when I went to a new dentist. When I found out that the dentist operated beside a church on a trailer I began having doubts. This dentist explained that he had a clinic but only used the trailer on the weekends. When it was time for my teeth to be x-rayed the equipment didn't work because of \"internet failure.\" Turns out he was using the church internet. I made the decision not to go back again. A few months pass, and on a whim I decided to check my insurance. While perusing through my insurance, I noticed that I was charged for unrelated services regarding my last dental visit. I was charged for x-ray which I know didn't happen because his equipment didn't work. The most he did was clean my teeth and he charged 150 for that which I was fine with. I went to the facebook page of his clinic and found that other people were also complaining of overcharging. Obviously unhappy I left a negative review saying that I had a bad experience and that he was overcharging. I also contacted my insurance to look into the charges made. Another few months pass and I received a voicemail saying that \"I am going to sue you for 1 million dollars for slander and defamation.\" In the call I could tell he was seething which was great but he also threatened to sue me which was not great. In the same day I called my insurance for a follow up and they told me that when they asked the dentist to provide proof of why he charged for that particular service he could not provide any. I would like to know if I am going to be a prospective homeless person in the coming months. ​ State is NM if anyone's curious. ​ Edit: Typo in the title, supposed to be 1 million not 10 million.","c_root_id_A":"gott46q","c_root_id_B":"gothuqt","created_at_utc_A":1614346938,"created_at_utc_B":1614339409,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"If other people are saying the same thing about being overcharged on the dentist's facebook page, he doesn't have a case. I'd get a lawyer to be on the safe side, but I doubt this will go anywhere.","human_ref_B":"Ignore him unless you get an actual legal notice. If you get one, you may want to look up anti-SLAPP laws in your state","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7529.0,"score_ratio":2.25} {"post_id":"f2hn51","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"I have a trust fund set up in my name by my deceased grandmother. The trustee is my Aunt who I am having trouble cooperating with. My Aunt informed me months ago that I have a trust fund set up but I was told almost 2 years late. She says there is paper work I will receive about the trust fund but that was months ago and there is no sign of it. She told me I can request money for living expenses, school, and medical. I have already received a few $2000 checks for living expenses and I was told by her there is yearly interest payouts. I am now having a baby and I asked if I could request more money for living expenses. She told me the money is not for that and now I will receive nothing until I turn 30 (im 24 now). I am suspicious about the trust fund because every year she and her family go on Disney cruises (paying for 12+ people!) and she and her kids (one of them is 25 with a three story house) are all extremely successful financially. I don\u2019t understand how I cannot receive any more money from my trust fund when I need it the most.","c_root_id_A":"fhdpxt9","c_root_id_B":"fhet66h","created_at_utc_A":1581495809,"created_at_utc_B":1581529402,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Get a lawyer asap","human_ref_B":"I would also gather the photos on social media showing these trips. If the money \"magically disappeared\" and you had to take legal action, these trips may be evidence of where the money went. Better to have it and not need than to need it and not have it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":33593.0,"score_ratio":3.0} {"post_id":"j7gvao","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Hi, I\u2019m Jordan Rubin and I cover most criminal justice cases at the Supreme Court. AMA! I report for Bloomberg Law on cases at the Supreme Court, from briefing through argument and decision. I've been keeping a close eye on criminal justice cases in particular since joining Bloomberg Law in 2017. Before that, I was a prosecutor for five years at the Manhattan DA's office. With the Supreme Court and the justice system both in the national spotlight these days. What do you want to know? What cases are coming up for argument? Questions about specific cases? What's happening with qualified immunity? What's the significance of the Court's latest changes in composition for these issues?? Proof of life: https:\/\/aboutblaw.com\/Tyh","c_root_id_A":"g84r456","c_root_id_B":"g84nt3h","created_at_utc_A":1602180607,"created_at_utc_B":1602178995,"score_A":17,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Why do you think public attention is so focused on the Justices' leanings in civil cases, despite criminal cases making up so much of the docket? All the \"hot-button\" issues seem to be civil--gay marriage, abortion, ACA, etc. The First Step Act dramatically changed how federal defendants are sentenced and incarcerated. What issues have you seen cropping up\/do you think the Court may need to review?","human_ref_B":"What changes has the pandemic caused in your reporting from OT2019 to OT2020?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1612.0,"score_ratio":1.8888888889} {"post_id":"j7gvao","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Hi, I\u2019m Jordan Rubin and I cover most criminal justice cases at the Supreme Court. AMA! I report for Bloomberg Law on cases at the Supreme Court, from briefing through argument and decision. I've been keeping a close eye on criminal justice cases in particular since joining Bloomberg Law in 2017. Before that, I was a prosecutor for five years at the Manhattan DA's office. With the Supreme Court and the justice system both in the national spotlight these days. What do you want to know? What cases are coming up for argument? Questions about specific cases? What's happening with qualified immunity? What's the significance of the Court's latest changes in composition for these issues?? Proof of life: https:\/\/aboutblaw.com\/Tyh","c_root_id_A":"g84orkj","c_root_id_B":"g84r456","created_at_utc_A":1602179459,"created_at_utc_B":1602180607,"score_A":6,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Give us your thoughts and observations related to the Republicans pushing a new justice into the court so close to the election","human_ref_B":"Why do you think public attention is so focused on the Justices' leanings in civil cases, despite criminal cases making up so much of the docket? All the \"hot-button\" issues seem to be civil--gay marriage, abortion, ACA, etc. The First Step Act dramatically changed how federal defendants are sentenced and incarcerated. What issues have you seen cropping up\/do you think the Court may need to review?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1148.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333} {"post_id":"j7gvao","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Hi, I\u2019m Jordan Rubin and I cover most criminal justice cases at the Supreme Court. AMA! I report for Bloomberg Law on cases at the Supreme Court, from briefing through argument and decision. I've been keeping a close eye on criminal justice cases in particular since joining Bloomberg Law in 2017. Before that, I was a prosecutor for five years at the Manhattan DA's office. With the Supreme Court and the justice system both in the national spotlight these days. What do you want to know? What cases are coming up for argument? Questions about specific cases? What's happening with qualified immunity? What's the significance of the Court's latest changes in composition for these issues?? Proof of life: https:\/\/aboutblaw.com\/Tyh","c_root_id_A":"g84ux0q","c_root_id_B":"g859ib5","created_at_utc_A":1602182370,"created_at_utc_B":1602188492,"score_A":8,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I'm keenly interested in Brownback v King (https:\/\/www.scotusblog.com\/case-files\/cases\/brownback-v-king\/). Do you think they will rule that the law's judgement bar is not triggered when it is determined that the US is immune because of a finding of state law qualified immunity for the cops, a reason outside of 28 US 2680 the stated exceptions? Or will it go the other way which will be contrary to the personal immunity exemption in the Simmons decision 136 S. Ct. 1849 footnote 5? And if it goes the other way is there a chance that Mr King's remaining claim won't be demolished for a different reason (say section 2680 performance of a discretionary function, like stopping people in search of a fugitive)? A finding against Mr King will just encourage people to leave their entitled FTCA claims against the government behind at the courthouse door and pursue their Bivens claims against the individual feds who wronged them instead.","human_ref_B":"What do you think the odds are on the court hearing a 2nd amendment case in the near future? Especially after the whole fiasco with NYC earlier this year. Are there any that stand out in particular as more likely to be heard than others?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6122.0,"score_ratio":1.125} {"post_id":"j7gvao","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Hi, I\u2019m Jordan Rubin and I cover most criminal justice cases at the Supreme Court. AMA! I report for Bloomberg Law on cases at the Supreme Court, from briefing through argument and decision. I've been keeping a close eye on criminal justice cases in particular since joining Bloomberg Law in 2017. Before that, I was a prosecutor for five years at the Manhattan DA's office. With the Supreme Court and the justice system both in the national spotlight these days. What do you want to know? What cases are coming up for argument? Questions about specific cases? What's happening with qualified immunity? What's the significance of the Court's latest changes in composition for these issues?? Proof of life: https:\/\/aboutblaw.com\/Tyh","c_root_id_A":"g84orkj","c_root_id_B":"g84ux0q","created_at_utc_A":1602179459,"created_at_utc_B":1602182370,"score_A":6,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Give us your thoughts and observations related to the Republicans pushing a new justice into the court so close to the election","human_ref_B":"I'm keenly interested in Brownback v King (https:\/\/www.scotusblog.com\/case-files\/cases\/brownback-v-king\/). Do you think they will rule that the law's judgement bar is not triggered when it is determined that the US is immune because of a finding of state law qualified immunity for the cops, a reason outside of 28 US 2680 the stated exceptions? Or will it go the other way which will be contrary to the personal immunity exemption in the Simmons decision 136 S. Ct. 1849 footnote 5? And if it goes the other way is there a chance that Mr King's remaining claim won't be demolished for a different reason (say section 2680 performance of a discretionary function, like stopping people in search of a fugitive)? A finding against Mr King will just encourage people to leave their entitled FTCA claims against the government behind at the courthouse door and pursue their Bivens claims against the individual feds who wronged them instead.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2911.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} {"post_id":"j7gvao","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Hi, I\u2019m Jordan Rubin and I cover most criminal justice cases at the Supreme Court. AMA! I report for Bloomberg Law on cases at the Supreme Court, from briefing through argument and decision. I've been keeping a close eye on criminal justice cases in particular since joining Bloomberg Law in 2017. Before that, I was a prosecutor for five years at the Manhattan DA's office. With the Supreme Court and the justice system both in the national spotlight these days. What do you want to know? What cases are coming up for argument? Questions about specific cases? What's happening with qualified immunity? What's the significance of the Court's latest changes in composition for these issues?? Proof of life: https:\/\/aboutblaw.com\/Tyh","c_root_id_A":"g859ib5","c_root_id_B":"g84xwt3","created_at_utc_A":1602188492,"created_at_utc_B":1602183554,"score_A":9,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"What do you think the odds are on the court hearing a 2nd amendment case in the near future? Especially after the whole fiasco with NYC earlier this year. Are there any that stand out in particular as more likely to be heard than others?","human_ref_B":"Do you think there is any chance the supreme court will take a look at revising or reviewing qualified immunity in the next year? I know there are several circuit court decisions, but I don't believe anything has been taken up by SCOTUS in a while.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4938.0,"score_ratio":1.125} {"post_id":"j7gvao","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Hi, I\u2019m Jordan Rubin and I cover most criminal justice cases at the Supreme Court. AMA! I report for Bloomberg Law on cases at the Supreme Court, from briefing through argument and decision. I've been keeping a close eye on criminal justice cases in particular since joining Bloomberg Law in 2017. Before that, I was a prosecutor for five years at the Manhattan DA's office. With the Supreme Court and the justice system both in the national spotlight these days. What do you want to know? What cases are coming up for argument? Questions about specific cases? What's happening with qualified immunity? What's the significance of the Court's latest changes in composition for these issues?? Proof of life: https:\/\/aboutblaw.com\/Tyh","c_root_id_A":"g84orkj","c_root_id_B":"g859ib5","created_at_utc_A":1602179459,"created_at_utc_B":1602188492,"score_A":6,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Give us your thoughts and observations related to the Republicans pushing a new justice into the court so close to the election","human_ref_B":"What do you think the odds are on the court hearing a 2nd amendment case in the near future? Especially after the whole fiasco with NYC earlier this year. Are there any that stand out in particular as more likely to be heard than others?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9033.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"j7gvao","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Hi, I\u2019m Jordan Rubin and I cover most criminal justice cases at the Supreme Court. AMA! I report for Bloomberg Law on cases at the Supreme Court, from briefing through argument and decision. I've been keeping a close eye on criminal justice cases in particular since joining Bloomberg Law in 2017. Before that, I was a prosecutor for five years at the Manhattan DA's office. With the Supreme Court and the justice system both in the national spotlight these days. What do you want to know? What cases are coming up for argument? Questions about specific cases? What's happening with qualified immunity? What's the significance of the Court's latest changes in composition for these issues?? Proof of life: https:\/\/aboutblaw.com\/Tyh","c_root_id_A":"g84xwt3","c_root_id_B":"g84orkj","created_at_utc_A":1602183554,"created_at_utc_B":1602179459,"score_A":8,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Do you think there is any chance the supreme court will take a look at revising or reviewing qualified immunity in the next year? I know there are several circuit court decisions, but I don't believe anything has been taken up by SCOTUS in a while.","human_ref_B":"Give us your thoughts and observations related to the Republicans pushing a new justice into the court so close to the election","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4095.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} {"post_id":"3kk30s","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"eBay Buyer threatening to sue over 6 month old purchase. (Texas) I sold a garage door opener assembly kit on ebay 6 months ago, the transaction went smooth until 3 weeks ago when the buyer told me that it was now having mechanical issues and it would cost him $200 to fix them and that I was liable. I told him that it was past eBay and Paypal's claim period and that I wasn't responsible for any issues with the kit. He then said he spoke to the manufacturer and that the system was sold over 5 years ago and was out of warranty. He then proceeded to call me everyday for a week threatening to sue me for fraud because I listed the item as New. The kit was still sealed in original packaging and according to eBay that is considered New. Does he have a case against me?","c_root_id_A":"cuyq2in","c_root_id_B":"cuy6qfn","created_at_utc_A":1442033320,"created_at_utc_B":1441996019,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer but I am fairly knowledgeable with eBay. You should be in the clear. \"New\" does not mean recently purchased to eBay, and that is clearly laid out on their site. From eBay's page on the topic; What \"new\" means An item is considered \"New\" when it meets the following guidelines: It's in the original condition from the manufacturer, distributor, or retailer. It hasn't been refurbished or used for any purpose. It has no known defects or damages. Handmade or custom-made items that have never been used for any purpose can also be considered \"new.\" What you need to do is proactively contact eBay customer support. Explain to them that you sold an item six months ago that the buyer is now claiming doesn't work, and because of this he has called you daily for a week straight making threats (as you mentioned in your post), then ask the rep if this doesn't constitute some form of harassment (it does BTW). They should transfer you to someone who will proceed to listen to your story in some detail, and will then thank you for reporting this behavior to them (as it is grossly against their TOS). They may or may not ever do anything about it but now you have notified them first, which gives you a bit of an advantage should he open a case. If he calls you, let it ring. Do not communicate outside of eBay messages (this allows eBay CS to read the messages and helps you win a case. If you communicate by any other means, it's purely he-said\/she-said.) If he sends you an eBay message, polietly state that you cannot help him because it was \"New\" as defined by ebay (and link him the above page) and also because the purchase was six months ago, and is thus outside of the stated XX day return policy. You are very sorry that he has experienced this inconvenience and you wish him the best. Should he respond to that message with anything other than \"I am now a satisfied customer and will stop being a royal jerk.\" ignore him. Edit: Also, to avoid any retaliatory purchases from this guy (as a way to leave you a negative feedback or claim you screwed him on this new purchase) you should add him to your blocked bidder list.","human_ref_B":"Alto check out \/r\/eBay","labels":1,"seconds_difference":37301.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} {"post_id":"gunri4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is my giant snail illegal to own in the USA? I will have to move from my home in Europe to somewhere in the USA sometime in the next year for reasons out of my control. I will most likely have to move to Illinois, New York, or North Carolina but I will not know for sure for some time. This legal question is based on nationwide restrictions though. I have a pet giant west african snail, also known as the banana rasp snail or the archachatina marginata. I understand that the **giant african land snail** is illegal to own in the USA because people are afraid it could be an invasive species in Florida, but I can't find any information if the **giant west african snail** has the same restrictions. They are two completely different species despite the name similarity. Are giant west african snails illegal in the USA? Also, I will not be bringing my pet to the USA unless I can be sure that I won't risk harm to the environment. I am talking to an ecologist about that. I want to undestand separately what the legal situation is. I may have to find a new home for my pet, or even euthanise him if I can't find one. So I want to know everything about the situation and understand every option before I even consider doing that to a creature under my care.","c_root_id_A":"fsjje9q","c_root_id_B":"fsjs4wm","created_at_utc_A":1591030811,"created_at_utc_B":1591035043,"score_A":67,"score_B":182,"human_ref_A":"Not sure about the other states, but it looks like they are definitely banned in NY: https:\/\/www.dec.ny.gov\/docs\/lands_forests_pdf\/isprohibitedanimals.pdf","human_ref_B":"Instead of euthanasia, call any zoos or exotic sanctuaries near you and ask if they could take your snail if you are unable to take your pet to America","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4232.0,"score_ratio":2.7164179104} {"post_id":"gunri4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Is my giant snail illegal to own in the USA? I will have to move from my home in Europe to somewhere in the USA sometime in the next year for reasons out of my control. I will most likely have to move to Illinois, New York, or North Carolina but I will not know for sure for some time. This legal question is based on nationwide restrictions though. I have a pet giant west african snail, also known as the banana rasp snail or the archachatina marginata. I understand that the **giant african land snail** is illegal to own in the USA because people are afraid it could be an invasive species in Florida, but I can't find any information if the **giant west african snail** has the same restrictions. They are two completely different species despite the name similarity. Are giant west african snails illegal in the USA? Also, I will not be bringing my pet to the USA unless I can be sure that I won't risk harm to the environment. I am talking to an ecologist about that. I want to undestand separately what the legal situation is. I may have to find a new home for my pet, or even euthanise him if I can't find one. So I want to know everything about the situation and understand every option before I even consider doing that to a creature under my care.","c_root_id_A":"fsjs4wm","c_root_id_B":"fsjl96q","created_at_utc_A":1591035043,"created_at_utc_B":1591031718,"score_A":182,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Instead of euthanasia, call any zoos or exotic sanctuaries near you and ask if they could take your snail if you are unable to take your pet to America","human_ref_B":"It looks like they are all lumped under the same ban?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3325.0,"score_ratio":6.7407407407} {"post_id":"caf2pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Recently moved into a condo, and apparently 80%+ of the units are owned by a company who is renting them out as short term stays. Today they passed a motion that basically says they can fine any tenant (upto 5k) who interferes with their renters. Do we have any sort of case here? We moved into a brand new condo in downtown Toronto, Ontario about a month ago (we own the unit and i paid for it when they were being built). We found out today from one of the few other people who live here full time that apparently over 80% of the units are owned by a company who rents them out on AirBnB. Today was the second condo board meeting (i wasn't here for the first) where i basically learned that nothing i can do means a damn thing. Two motions or laws (idk which) were passed by majority even though everyone there disagreed with it but since the company owns the majority of the units they can pass whatever they want? 1. Any tenant who interferes with any renters enjoyment of the unit can be fined up to $5,000. (Apparently the owner is furious that our building lost its super host status as several people called bylaw\/police on AirBnB tenants). 2. The storage on the first floor will now be converted into a small gym and pool area (oh and we are expected to pay for it through something called an Easement?). I don't know very much around the rules of condo ownership and board. But frankly this isn't what i paid for. Do i have any sort of case or chance to fight this?","c_root_id_A":"et8gv86","c_root_id_B":"et8cglb","created_at_utc_A":1562556101,"created_at_utc_B":1562552639,"score_A":867,"score_B":391,"human_ref_A":"Call the city. #### Contact Information **311** Phone outside Toronto: 416-392-CITY (2489) **TTY:** 416-338-0TTY (0889) **Email:** 311@toronto.ca](mailto:311@toronto.ca) [https:\/\/www.toronto.ca\/community-people\/housing-shelter\/rental-housing-standards\/short-term-rentals\/ # Short-Term Rentals Residents and property owners are renting out rooms or entire units for short periods (less than 28 days) in growing numbers across the city, facilitated by the rise of online platforms such as Airbnb, VRBO, etc. **Currently, short-term rentals are not permitted in Toronto.** On December 7, 2017, and January 31, 2018, City Council approved the regulation of short-term rentals in Toronto. The new rules require short-term rental companies to obtain a licence and short-term rental operators to register with the City and pay a Municipal Accommodation Tax (MAT) of 4 per cent. However, the City\u2019s zoning bylaw amendments to permit short-term rentals as a use have been appealed to the Local Planning Appeal Tribunal (LPAT). They are therefore not in force. The LPAT had scheduled a two-day hearing for August 30 and 31, 2018, however at the hearing it was determined that two days was insufficient time for the proceedings and a five day period would be more appropriate. For that reason, the August 30 and 31, 2018 LPAT hearing was adjourned and re-scheduled for August 26, 2019. The City\u2019s regulations for short-term rentals\u00a0will not\u00a0come into force until after the appeal decision is reached. If the City receives a positive decision at the LPAT, the short-term rental regulations will come into effect. Soon after, individuals will be given a period of time to submit applications for a licence or registration and the 4 per cent tax will be implemented. More information on what is required to collect and remit the tax will be available at that time. If you would like to receive updates about the short-term rental registry and licensing program, contact\u00a0mlsfeedback@toronto.ca](mailto:mlsfeedback@toronto.ca)\u00a0to be added our mailing list. For more information, see\u00a0[Chapter 547, Licensing and Registration of Short-term Rentals \ud83d\udcf7. ​ * Short-term rentals are permitted across the city in all housing types in residential and the residential component of mixed-use zones. * ***People can host short-term rentals in their pr***incipal residence only \u2013 both homeowners and tenants can participate. * People can rent up to three bedrooms or entire residence. * People who live in secondary suites can also participate, as long as the secondary suite is their principal residence. * An entire home can be rented as a short-term rental if owner\/tenant is away \u2013 to a maximum of 180 nights per year. * People who rent their homes short term must register with the City and pay $50. * Companies such as Airbnb must become licensed and pay a fee of $5,000, plus $1\/night booked through the platform. * People doing short-term rentals must pay a 4 per cent Municipal Accommodation Tax (MAT) on all rentals that are less than 28 consecutive days. * Companies such as Airbnb can enter into voluntary agreements to collect the MAT on behalf of those associated with their company. ​ #### Related Information ​ * View Investigation Requests and Violations in Toronto * Information about the Municipal Accommodation Tax \ud83d\udcf7Jobs at the City \ud83d\udcf7Media Room \ud83d\udcf7Contact Us \ud83d\udcf7 \ud83d\udcf7TranslateConnect: \ud83d\udcf7 \ud83d\udcf7 \ud83d\udcf7 \ud83d\udcf7 \ud83d\udcf7 \ud83d\udcf7 VIEW ALL \t\t\t\t\t\t\tToronto.ca social media accounts \u00a9 City of Toronto 1998 - 2019 | Privacy | Accessibility at the City of Toronto","human_ref_B":"Is the storage in the first floor mentioned in your deed? For example, does your deed say that you get Apartment 345 and Storage Locker 117? Edit to add - this makes interesting reading: https:\/\/www.toronto.ca\/community-people\/housing-shelter\/rental-housing-standards\/short-term-rentals\/","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3462.0,"score_ratio":2.2173913043} {"post_id":"caf2pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Recently moved into a condo, and apparently 80%+ of the units are owned by a company who is renting them out as short term stays. Today they passed a motion that basically says they can fine any tenant (upto 5k) who interferes with their renters. Do we have any sort of case here? We moved into a brand new condo in downtown Toronto, Ontario about a month ago (we own the unit and i paid for it when they were being built). We found out today from one of the few other people who live here full time that apparently over 80% of the units are owned by a company who rents them out on AirBnB. Today was the second condo board meeting (i wasn't here for the first) where i basically learned that nothing i can do means a damn thing. Two motions or laws (idk which) were passed by majority even though everyone there disagreed with it but since the company owns the majority of the units they can pass whatever they want? 1. Any tenant who interferes with any renters enjoyment of the unit can be fined up to $5,000. (Apparently the owner is furious that our building lost its super host status as several people called bylaw\/police on AirBnB tenants). 2. The storage on the first floor will now be converted into a small gym and pool area (oh and we are expected to pay for it through something called an Easement?). I don't know very much around the rules of condo ownership and board. But frankly this isn't what i paid for. Do i have any sort of case or chance to fight this?","c_root_id_A":"et8gghv","c_root_id_B":"et8gv86","created_at_utc_A":1562555776,"created_at_utc_B":1562556101,"score_A":106,"score_B":867,"human_ref_A":"Read your CCR. Does the CCR allow 80% to be rentals? Does the CCR allow one person or entity to have such a high percentage of ownership?","human_ref_B":"Call the city. #### Contact Information **311** Phone outside Toronto: 416-392-CITY (2489) **TTY:** 416-338-0TTY (0889) **Email:** 311@toronto.ca](mailto:311@toronto.ca) [https:\/\/www.toronto.ca\/community-people\/housing-shelter\/rental-housing-standards\/short-term-rentals\/ # Short-Term Rentals Residents and property owners are renting out rooms or entire units for short periods (less than 28 days) in growing numbers across the city, facilitated by the rise of online platforms such as Airbnb, VRBO, etc. **Currently, short-term rentals are not permitted in Toronto.** On December 7, 2017, and January 31, 2018, City Council approved the regulation of short-term rentals in Toronto. The new rules require short-term rental companies to obtain a licence and short-term rental operators to register with the City and pay a Municipal Accommodation Tax (MAT) of 4 per cent. However, the City\u2019s zoning bylaw amendments to permit short-term rentals as a use have been appealed to the Local Planning Appeal Tribunal (LPAT). They are therefore not in force. The LPAT had scheduled a two-day hearing for August 30 and 31, 2018, however at the hearing it was determined that two days was insufficient time for the proceedings and a five day period would be more appropriate. For that reason, the August 30 and 31, 2018 LPAT hearing was adjourned and re-scheduled for August 26, 2019. The City\u2019s regulations for short-term rentals\u00a0will not\u00a0come into force until after the appeal decision is reached. If the City receives a positive decision at the LPAT, the short-term rental regulations will come into effect. Soon after, individuals will be given a period of time to submit applications for a licence or registration and the 4 per cent tax will be implemented. More information on what is required to collect and remit the tax will be available at that time. If you would like to receive updates about the short-term rental registry and licensing program, contact\u00a0mlsfeedback@toronto.ca](mailto:mlsfeedback@toronto.ca)\u00a0to be added our mailing list. For more information, see\u00a0[Chapter 547, Licensing and Registration of Short-term Rentals \ud83d\udcf7. ​ * Short-term rentals are permitted across the city in all housing types in residential and the residential component of mixed-use zones. * ***People can host short-term rentals in their pr***incipal residence only \u2013 both homeowners and tenants can participate. * People can rent up to three bedrooms or entire residence. * People who live in secondary suites can also participate, as long as the secondary suite is their principal residence. * An entire home can be rented as a short-term rental if owner\/tenant is away \u2013 to a maximum of 180 nights per year. * People who rent their homes short term must register with the City and pay $50. * Companies such as Airbnb must become licensed and pay a fee of $5,000, plus $1\/night booked through the platform. * People doing short-term rentals must pay a 4 per cent Municipal Accommodation Tax (MAT) on all rentals that are less than 28 consecutive days. * Companies such as Airbnb can enter into voluntary agreements to collect the MAT on behalf of those associated with their company. ​ #### Related Information ​ * View Investigation Requests and Violations in Toronto * Information about the Municipal Accommodation Tax \ud83d\udcf7Jobs at the City \ud83d\udcf7Media Room \ud83d\udcf7Contact Us \ud83d\udcf7 \ud83d\udcf7TranslateConnect: \ud83d\udcf7 \ud83d\udcf7 \ud83d\udcf7 \ud83d\udcf7 \ud83d\udcf7 \ud83d\udcf7 VIEW ALL \t\t\t\t\t\t\tToronto.ca social media accounts \u00a9 City of Toronto 1998 - 2019 | Privacy | Accessibility at the City of Toronto","labels":0,"seconds_difference":325.0,"score_ratio":8.179245283} {"post_id":"caf2pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Recently moved into a condo, and apparently 80%+ of the units are owned by a company who is renting them out as short term stays. Today they passed a motion that basically says they can fine any tenant (upto 5k) who interferes with their renters. Do we have any sort of case here? We moved into a brand new condo in downtown Toronto, Ontario about a month ago (we own the unit and i paid for it when they were being built). We found out today from one of the few other people who live here full time that apparently over 80% of the units are owned by a company who rents them out on AirBnB. Today was the second condo board meeting (i wasn't here for the first) where i basically learned that nothing i can do means a damn thing. Two motions or laws (idk which) were passed by majority even though everyone there disagreed with it but since the company owns the majority of the units they can pass whatever they want? 1. Any tenant who interferes with any renters enjoyment of the unit can be fined up to $5,000. (Apparently the owner is furious that our building lost its super host status as several people called bylaw\/police on AirBnB tenants). 2. The storage on the first floor will now be converted into a small gym and pool area (oh and we are expected to pay for it through something called an Easement?). I don't know very much around the rules of condo ownership and board. But frankly this isn't what i paid for. Do i have any sort of case or chance to fight this?","c_root_id_A":"et9brf2","c_root_id_B":"et8o482","created_at_utc_A":1562592662,"created_at_utc_B":1562562984,"score_A":117,"score_B":110,"human_ref_A":"So they\u2019re trying to run a hotel via AirBnB. I\u2019m sure they\u2019re breaking all sorts of rules. Lawyer and city council.","human_ref_B":"You should speak to a lawyer who is an expert in condo law. If your real estate lawyer when you purchased it knows condo law well, you can use them, but you may want to ask for a recommendation of someone more knowledgeable if not. There may be some advice that people can give here, but fundamentally, there is nothing in your favour going to come of this that doesn't involve a lawyer and possibly litigation. You should not delay at all, because they are likely going to start signing contracts and trying to impose fines now that things are approved and you may want to go to court urgently to stop that. A good lawyer can tell you If you are worried about cost, see if you can band together with other owners in a similar situation and hire one lawyer between you to look over all the condo documents. If you have direct bank withdrawal on your condo fees, you may want to either stop that if you're allowed to do so, or stop using that bank account for anything else and only put your monthly fee in. There's a possibility that if you get (illegally) fined, they'll just go and take the fine out of your account and you don't want that. You can definitely fight some of this, and likely have a case for more, but how strongly you can do so depends on a lot of factors in the corporation's declaration and by-laws (you should have gotten a copy of these in your status certificate as part of purchase, if it was done by a competent lawyer). You can look over those yourself to see if there are terms, such as banning short-term rentals or requiring single-family use (which the courts have interpreted as banning short-term rentals), that might help your case further.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":29678.0,"score_ratio":1.0636363636} {"post_id":"caf2pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Recently moved into a condo, and apparently 80%+ of the units are owned by a company who is renting them out as short term stays. Today they passed a motion that basically says they can fine any tenant (upto 5k) who interferes with their renters. Do we have any sort of case here? We moved into a brand new condo in downtown Toronto, Ontario about a month ago (we own the unit and i paid for it when they were being built). We found out today from one of the few other people who live here full time that apparently over 80% of the units are owned by a company who rents them out on AirBnB. Today was the second condo board meeting (i wasn't here for the first) where i basically learned that nothing i can do means a damn thing. Two motions or laws (idk which) were passed by majority even though everyone there disagreed with it but since the company owns the majority of the units they can pass whatever they want? 1. Any tenant who interferes with any renters enjoyment of the unit can be fined up to $5,000. (Apparently the owner is furious that our building lost its super host status as several people called bylaw\/police on AirBnB tenants). 2. The storage on the first floor will now be converted into a small gym and pool area (oh and we are expected to pay for it through something called an Easement?). I don't know very much around the rules of condo ownership and board. But frankly this isn't what i paid for. Do i have any sort of case or chance to fight this?","c_root_id_A":"et8gghv","c_root_id_B":"et9brf2","created_at_utc_A":1562555776,"created_at_utc_B":1562592662,"score_A":106,"score_B":117,"human_ref_A":"Read your CCR. Does the CCR allow 80% to be rentals? Does the CCR allow one person or entity to have such a high percentage of ownership?","human_ref_B":"So they\u2019re trying to run a hotel via AirBnB. I\u2019m sure they\u2019re breaking all sorts of rules. Lawyer and city council.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":36886.0,"score_ratio":1.1037735849} {"post_id":"caf2pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Recently moved into a condo, and apparently 80%+ of the units are owned by a company who is renting them out as short term stays. Today they passed a motion that basically says they can fine any tenant (upto 5k) who interferes with their renters. Do we have any sort of case here? We moved into a brand new condo in downtown Toronto, Ontario about a month ago (we own the unit and i paid for it when they were being built). We found out today from one of the few other people who live here full time that apparently over 80% of the units are owned by a company who rents them out on AirBnB. Today was the second condo board meeting (i wasn't here for the first) where i basically learned that nothing i can do means a damn thing. Two motions or laws (idk which) were passed by majority even though everyone there disagreed with it but since the company owns the majority of the units they can pass whatever they want? 1. Any tenant who interferes with any renters enjoyment of the unit can be fined up to $5,000. (Apparently the owner is furious that our building lost its super host status as several people called bylaw\/police on AirBnB tenants). 2. The storage on the first floor will now be converted into a small gym and pool area (oh and we are expected to pay for it through something called an Easement?). I don't know very much around the rules of condo ownership and board. But frankly this isn't what i paid for. Do i have any sort of case or chance to fight this?","c_root_id_A":"et9brf2","c_root_id_B":"et8q3hy","created_at_utc_A":1562592662,"created_at_utc_B":1562565209,"score_A":117,"score_B":83,"human_ref_A":"So they\u2019re trying to run a hotel via AirBnB. I\u2019m sure they\u2019re breaking all sorts of rules. Lawyer and city council.","human_ref_B":"You really need a lawyer that\u2019s an expert in condo laws, as this smacks of oppression and probably violates the condo act. There\u2019s no easy way to deal with this short of a lawyer and court action if they don\u2019t respond to the lawyer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27453.0,"score_ratio":1.4096385542} {"post_id":"caf2pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Recently moved into a condo, and apparently 80%+ of the units are owned by a company who is renting them out as short term stays. Today they passed a motion that basically says they can fine any tenant (upto 5k) who interferes with their renters. Do we have any sort of case here? We moved into a brand new condo in downtown Toronto, Ontario about a month ago (we own the unit and i paid for it when they were being built). We found out today from one of the few other people who live here full time that apparently over 80% of the units are owned by a company who rents them out on AirBnB. Today was the second condo board meeting (i wasn't here for the first) where i basically learned that nothing i can do means a damn thing. Two motions or laws (idk which) were passed by majority even though everyone there disagreed with it but since the company owns the majority of the units they can pass whatever they want? 1. Any tenant who interferes with any renters enjoyment of the unit can be fined up to $5,000. (Apparently the owner is furious that our building lost its super host status as several people called bylaw\/police on AirBnB tenants). 2. The storage on the first floor will now be converted into a small gym and pool area (oh and we are expected to pay for it through something called an Easement?). I don't know very much around the rules of condo ownership and board. But frankly this isn't what i paid for. Do i have any sort of case or chance to fight this?","c_root_id_A":"et9brf2","c_root_id_B":"et9bg25","created_at_utc_A":1562592662,"created_at_utc_B":1562592398,"score_A":117,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"So they\u2019re trying to run a hotel via AirBnB. I\u2019m sure they\u2019re breaking all sorts of rules. Lawyer and city council.","human_ref_B":"Before you talk to a lawyer, you need to familiarize yourself with the Ontario Strata Property Act and amendments. In BC, we have a Civil Rights Tribunal that deals with this sort of thing before you seek out a lawyer - to lessen the financial burden and to try to work towards a solution through an arbitrator. I imagine Ontario has something similar. (I'm too lazy to do the research)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":264.0,"score_ratio":3.5454545455} {"post_id":"caf2pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Recently moved into a condo, and apparently 80%+ of the units are owned by a company who is renting them out as short term stays. Today they passed a motion that basically says they can fine any tenant (upto 5k) who interferes with their renters. Do we have any sort of case here? We moved into a brand new condo in downtown Toronto, Ontario about a month ago (we own the unit and i paid for it when they were being built). We found out today from one of the few other people who live here full time that apparently over 80% of the units are owned by a company who rents them out on AirBnB. Today was the second condo board meeting (i wasn't here for the first) where i basically learned that nothing i can do means a damn thing. Two motions or laws (idk which) were passed by majority even though everyone there disagreed with it but since the company owns the majority of the units they can pass whatever they want? 1. Any tenant who interferes with any renters enjoyment of the unit can be fined up to $5,000. (Apparently the owner is furious that our building lost its super host status as several people called bylaw\/police on AirBnB tenants). 2. The storage on the first floor will now be converted into a small gym and pool area (oh and we are expected to pay for it through something called an Easement?). I don't know very much around the rules of condo ownership and board. But frankly this isn't what i paid for. Do i have any sort of case or chance to fight this?","c_root_id_A":"et8gghv","c_root_id_B":"et8o482","created_at_utc_A":1562555776,"created_at_utc_B":1562562984,"score_A":106,"score_B":110,"human_ref_A":"Read your CCR. Does the CCR allow 80% to be rentals? Does the CCR allow one person or entity to have such a high percentage of ownership?","human_ref_B":"You should speak to a lawyer who is an expert in condo law. If your real estate lawyer when you purchased it knows condo law well, you can use them, but you may want to ask for a recommendation of someone more knowledgeable if not. There may be some advice that people can give here, but fundamentally, there is nothing in your favour going to come of this that doesn't involve a lawyer and possibly litigation. You should not delay at all, because they are likely going to start signing contracts and trying to impose fines now that things are approved and you may want to go to court urgently to stop that. A good lawyer can tell you If you are worried about cost, see if you can band together with other owners in a similar situation and hire one lawyer between you to look over all the condo documents. If you have direct bank withdrawal on your condo fees, you may want to either stop that if you're allowed to do so, or stop using that bank account for anything else and only put your monthly fee in. There's a possibility that if you get (illegally) fined, they'll just go and take the fine out of your account and you don't want that. You can definitely fight some of this, and likely have a case for more, but how strongly you can do so depends on a lot of factors in the corporation's declaration and by-laws (you should have gotten a copy of these in your status certificate as part of purchase, if it was done by a competent lawyer). You can look over those yourself to see if there are terms, such as banning short-term rentals or requiring single-family use (which the courts have interpreted as banning short-term rentals), that might help your case further.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7208.0,"score_ratio":1.0377358491} {"post_id":"caf2pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Recently moved into a condo, and apparently 80%+ of the units are owned by a company who is renting them out as short term stays. Today they passed a motion that basically says they can fine any tenant (upto 5k) who interferes with their renters. Do we have any sort of case here? We moved into a brand new condo in downtown Toronto, Ontario about a month ago (we own the unit and i paid for it when they were being built). We found out today from one of the few other people who live here full time that apparently over 80% of the units are owned by a company who rents them out on AirBnB. Today was the second condo board meeting (i wasn't here for the first) where i basically learned that nothing i can do means a damn thing. Two motions or laws (idk which) were passed by majority even though everyone there disagreed with it but since the company owns the majority of the units they can pass whatever they want? 1. Any tenant who interferes with any renters enjoyment of the unit can be fined up to $5,000. (Apparently the owner is furious that our building lost its super host status as several people called bylaw\/police on AirBnB tenants). 2. The storage on the first floor will now be converted into a small gym and pool area (oh and we are expected to pay for it through something called an Easement?). I don't know very much around the rules of condo ownership and board. But frankly this isn't what i paid for. Do i have any sort of case or chance to fight this?","c_root_id_A":"et9bg25","c_root_id_B":"et9fr24","created_at_utc_A":1562592398,"created_at_utc_B":1562595788,"score_A":33,"score_B":40,"human_ref_A":"Before you talk to a lawyer, you need to familiarize yourself with the Ontario Strata Property Act and amendments. In BC, we have a Civil Rights Tribunal that deals with this sort of thing before you seek out a lawyer - to lessen the financial burden and to try to work towards a solution through an arbitrator. I imagine Ontario has something similar. (I'm too lazy to do the research)","human_ref_B":"Minor correction: the way they are trying to make you pay for the gym\/pool is likely an assessment, not an easement.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3390.0,"score_ratio":1.2121212121} {"post_id":"caf2pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Recently moved into a condo, and apparently 80%+ of the units are owned by a company who is renting them out as short term stays. Today they passed a motion that basically says they can fine any tenant (upto 5k) who interferes with their renters. Do we have any sort of case here? We moved into a brand new condo in downtown Toronto, Ontario about a month ago (we own the unit and i paid for it when they were being built). We found out today from one of the few other people who live here full time that apparently over 80% of the units are owned by a company who rents them out on AirBnB. Today was the second condo board meeting (i wasn't here for the first) where i basically learned that nothing i can do means a damn thing. Two motions or laws (idk which) were passed by majority even though everyone there disagreed with it but since the company owns the majority of the units they can pass whatever they want? 1. Any tenant who interferes with any renters enjoyment of the unit can be fined up to $5,000. (Apparently the owner is furious that our building lost its super host status as several people called bylaw\/police on AirBnB tenants). 2. The storage on the first floor will now be converted into a small gym and pool area (oh and we are expected to pay for it through something called an Easement?). I don't know very much around the rules of condo ownership and board. But frankly this isn't what i paid for. Do i have any sort of case or chance to fight this?","c_root_id_A":"et9il4t","c_root_id_B":"et9bg25","created_at_utc_A":1562597780,"created_at_utc_B":1562592398,"score_A":34,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"Under the Ontario Condominium Act, a \"substantial change\" to building amenities must be approved by a 2\/3 supermajority of owners, not a simple majority. Maybe that doesn't make much difference if this company really does own 80% of the units, but if they did pass the creation of a gym and pool by a simple majority vote, then that vote was improper.","human_ref_B":"Before you talk to a lawyer, you need to familiarize yourself with the Ontario Strata Property Act and amendments. In BC, we have a Civil Rights Tribunal that deals with this sort of thing before you seek out a lawyer - to lessen the financial burden and to try to work towards a solution through an arbitrator. I imagine Ontario has something similar. (I'm too lazy to do the research)","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5382.0,"score_ratio":1.0303030303} {"post_id":"caf2pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Recently moved into a condo, and apparently 80%+ of the units are owned by a company who is renting them out as short term stays. Today they passed a motion that basically says they can fine any tenant (upto 5k) who interferes with their renters. Do we have any sort of case here? We moved into a brand new condo in downtown Toronto, Ontario about a month ago (we own the unit and i paid for it when they were being built). We found out today from one of the few other people who live here full time that apparently over 80% of the units are owned by a company who rents them out on AirBnB. Today was the second condo board meeting (i wasn't here for the first) where i basically learned that nothing i can do means a damn thing. Two motions or laws (idk which) were passed by majority even though everyone there disagreed with it but since the company owns the majority of the units they can pass whatever they want? 1. Any tenant who interferes with any renters enjoyment of the unit can be fined up to $5,000. (Apparently the owner is furious that our building lost its super host status as several people called bylaw\/police on AirBnB tenants). 2. The storage on the first floor will now be converted into a small gym and pool area (oh and we are expected to pay for it through something called an Easement?). I don't know very much around the rules of condo ownership and board. But frankly this isn't what i paid for. Do i have any sort of case or chance to fight this?","c_root_id_A":"et9vw8x","c_root_id_B":"etadxuk","created_at_utc_A":1562606556,"created_at_utc_B":1562618065,"score_A":6,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"i found this https:\/\/www.ontario.ca\/faq\/can-condo-corporations-hand-out-fines","human_ref_B":"Retaliation for calling the police (for an actual emergency or criminal activity) is very much illegal, no court on the planet would help uphold it. If they take someone to court over it, they would be opening up a can of legal issues and fines. Not too sure about the second thing, but an Easement is a right to cross or otherwise use someone else's land for a specified purpose, it has nothing to do with paying for changes to a location.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11509.0,"score_ratio":2.8333333333} {"post_id":"caf2pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Recently moved into a condo, and apparently 80%+ of the units are owned by a company who is renting them out as short term stays. Today they passed a motion that basically says they can fine any tenant (upto 5k) who interferes with their renters. Do we have any sort of case here? We moved into a brand new condo in downtown Toronto, Ontario about a month ago (we own the unit and i paid for it when they were being built). We found out today from one of the few other people who live here full time that apparently over 80% of the units are owned by a company who rents them out on AirBnB. Today was the second condo board meeting (i wasn't here for the first) where i basically learned that nothing i can do means a damn thing. Two motions or laws (idk which) were passed by majority even though everyone there disagreed with it but since the company owns the majority of the units they can pass whatever they want? 1. Any tenant who interferes with any renters enjoyment of the unit can be fined up to $5,000. (Apparently the owner is furious that our building lost its super host status as several people called bylaw\/police on AirBnB tenants). 2. The storage on the first floor will now be converted into a small gym and pool area (oh and we are expected to pay for it through something called an Easement?). I don't know very much around the rules of condo ownership and board. But frankly this isn't what i paid for. Do i have any sort of case or chance to fight this?","c_root_id_A":"etadxuk","c_root_id_B":"et9w31z","created_at_utc_A":1562618065,"created_at_utc_B":1562606674,"score_A":17,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Retaliation for calling the police (for an actual emergency or criminal activity) is very much illegal, no court on the planet would help uphold it. If they take someone to court over it, they would be opening up a can of legal issues and fines. Not too sure about the second thing, but an Easement is a right to cross or otherwise use someone else's land for a specified purpose, it has nothing to do with paying for changes to a location.","human_ref_B":"Call a lawyer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11391.0,"score_ratio":8.5} {"post_id":"caf2pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Recently moved into a condo, and apparently 80%+ of the units are owned by a company who is renting them out as short term stays. Today they passed a motion that basically says they can fine any tenant (upto 5k) who interferes with their renters. Do we have any sort of case here? We moved into a brand new condo in downtown Toronto, Ontario about a month ago (we own the unit and i paid for it when they were being built). We found out today from one of the few other people who live here full time that apparently over 80% of the units are owned by a company who rents them out on AirBnB. Today was the second condo board meeting (i wasn't here for the first) where i basically learned that nothing i can do means a damn thing. Two motions or laws (idk which) were passed by majority even though everyone there disagreed with it but since the company owns the majority of the units they can pass whatever they want? 1. Any tenant who interferes with any renters enjoyment of the unit can be fined up to $5,000. (Apparently the owner is furious that our building lost its super host status as several people called bylaw\/police on AirBnB tenants). 2. The storage on the first floor will now be converted into a small gym and pool area (oh and we are expected to pay for it through something called an Easement?). I don't know very much around the rules of condo ownership and board. But frankly this isn't what i paid for. Do i have any sort of case or chance to fight this?","c_root_id_A":"et9w31z","c_root_id_B":"etajk5b","created_at_utc_A":1562606674,"created_at_utc_B":1562621736,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Call a lawyer.","human_ref_B":"Not sure if this is relevant but here in NZ our unit titles act has a majority and minority relief clause. They kind of cancel each other out but its a mechanism for getting you in front of the court and having a judge decide if something is inherently unfair. We have this nonsense in our building. Short term accommodation is a bitch. They cause damage and greater wear and tear and don't respect the fact that this is someone's actual home. They also come with a management structure who prioritise guest experience over common decency. There is a simaler case to yours up in Auckland. People thought they were buying into an upmarket apartment block and the residents have seen it overrun and basically turned into a hotel. One avenue you may want to pursue is your insurance because commercial operations and esp this sort of thing almost certainly increase your premium and probably by quite a bit and for good reason. So whatever fees and levies you are paying is essentially subsiding their business. I'd be pissed as well if I was you. Every bloody fire call-out and evacuation in our building is related to short term accommodation. I even had to meet with the Chief Fire Officer after a call out and he was telling me even with all the alarms going nuts and his team clearing every apartment there was an Asian family who had daisy chained up a gazzilion cords for every device they had which was a lot and they refused to evacuate. Like flat out refused. They had to be forcibly removed. They were fucking lucky they weren't arrested. The fire service absolutely hate these kind of setups. Hate them. They are so much more difficult to manage than a residential model.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15062.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"caf2pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"Recently moved into a condo, and apparently 80%+ of the units are owned by a company who is renting them out as short term stays. Today they passed a motion that basically says they can fine any tenant (upto 5k) who interferes with their renters. Do we have any sort of case here? We moved into a brand new condo in downtown Toronto, Ontario about a month ago (we own the unit and i paid for it when they were being built). We found out today from one of the few other people who live here full time that apparently over 80% of the units are owned by a company who rents them out on AirBnB. Today was the second condo board meeting (i wasn't here for the first) where i basically learned that nothing i can do means a damn thing. Two motions or laws (idk which) were passed by majority even though everyone there disagreed with it but since the company owns the majority of the units they can pass whatever they want? 1. Any tenant who interferes with any renters enjoyment of the unit can be fined up to $5,000. (Apparently the owner is furious that our building lost its super host status as several people called bylaw\/police on AirBnB tenants). 2. The storage on the first floor will now be converted into a small gym and pool area (oh and we are expected to pay for it through something called an Easement?). I don't know very much around the rules of condo ownership and board. But frankly this isn't what i paid for. Do i have any sort of case or chance to fight this?","c_root_id_A":"et9w31z","c_root_id_B":"etaxtef","created_at_utc_A":1562606674,"created_at_utc_B":1562631944,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Call a lawyer.","human_ref_B":"Ice condos eh?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25270.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"z3aq8b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor getting attorney over cat getting taken to shelter? Does he have a case? Long story short, my neighbor has been neglecting his cat by keeping it locked outside in the cold, resulting in it roaming the neighborhood and trying to get into people\u2019s houses, including mine. I called animal control to take the cat to the shelter, and he\u2019s very upset. He\u2019s sent threatening texts and is now demanding that I go to the shelter to claim the cat, pay the fee, and pay to get a license so that we\u2019re \u201cco-owners\u201d. He could\u2019ve gone to the shelter to claim the cat himself any of these past couple days, but he hasn\u2019t, he wants us to do everything. He says it will get ugly if the cat isn\u2019t \u201cmeowing in his backyard soon\u201d and that he\u2019s willing to get an attorney over a cat. Is there any way that he could make this into a thing where I would need an attorney?","c_root_id_A":"ixkvjhy","c_root_id_B":"ixkv12y","created_at_utc_A":1669266381,"created_at_utc_B":1669266071,"score_A":607,"score_B":246,"human_ref_A":"He can't do much. If you want him to stop bothering you, warn him to stop contacting you. If he persists, contact law enforcement and you may have grounds for harassment or a no contact order.","human_ref_B":"You did the right thing by calling animal control. If he wants his cat, he can go to the shelter to pick it up. People threaten to sue all the time; very few do, because lawsuits are expensive and take a long amount of time. There isn't a civil cause of action for \"my neighbor called animal control because I neglected my cat.\" You can safely ignore his threats. As a final thought, animals aren't titled property the way cars, boats, and houses are. He likely invented the \"co-owner\" stuff.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":310.0,"score_ratio":2.4674796748} {"post_id":"z3aq8b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor getting attorney over cat getting taken to shelter? Does he have a case? Long story short, my neighbor has been neglecting his cat by keeping it locked outside in the cold, resulting in it roaming the neighborhood and trying to get into people\u2019s houses, including mine. I called animal control to take the cat to the shelter, and he\u2019s very upset. He\u2019s sent threatening texts and is now demanding that I go to the shelter to claim the cat, pay the fee, and pay to get a license so that we\u2019re \u201cco-owners\u201d. He could\u2019ve gone to the shelter to claim the cat himself any of these past couple days, but he hasn\u2019t, he wants us to do everything. He says it will get ugly if the cat isn\u2019t \u201cmeowing in his backyard soon\u201d and that he\u2019s willing to get an attorney over a cat. Is there any way that he could make this into a thing where I would need an attorney?","c_root_id_A":"ixln092","c_root_id_B":"ixkv12y","created_at_utc_A":1669287474,"created_at_utc_B":1669266071,"score_A":268,"score_B":246,"human_ref_A":"You warned Animal Control about a stray cat, then Animal Control took the cat away; this is now an issue between Animal Control and the cat owner.","human_ref_B":"You did the right thing by calling animal control. If he wants his cat, he can go to the shelter to pick it up. People threaten to sue all the time; very few do, because lawsuits are expensive and take a long amount of time. There isn't a civil cause of action for \"my neighbor called animal control because I neglected my cat.\" You can safely ignore his threats. As a final thought, animals aren't titled property the way cars, boats, and houses are. He likely invented the \"co-owner\" stuff.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21403.0,"score_ratio":1.0894308943} {"post_id":"z3aq8b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor getting attorney over cat getting taken to shelter? Does he have a case? Long story short, my neighbor has been neglecting his cat by keeping it locked outside in the cold, resulting in it roaming the neighborhood and trying to get into people\u2019s houses, including mine. I called animal control to take the cat to the shelter, and he\u2019s very upset. He\u2019s sent threatening texts and is now demanding that I go to the shelter to claim the cat, pay the fee, and pay to get a license so that we\u2019re \u201cco-owners\u201d. He could\u2019ve gone to the shelter to claim the cat himself any of these past couple days, but he hasn\u2019t, he wants us to do everything. He says it will get ugly if the cat isn\u2019t \u201cmeowing in his backyard soon\u201d and that he\u2019s willing to get an attorney over a cat. Is there any way that he could make this into a thing where I would need an attorney?","c_root_id_A":"ixln092","c_root_id_B":"ixl8k36","created_at_utc_A":1669287474,"created_at_utc_B":1669275243,"score_A":268,"score_B":40,"human_ref_A":"You warned Animal Control about a stray cat, then Animal Control took the cat away; this is now an issue between Animal Control and the cat owner.","human_ref_B":"Most communities have leash laws for pets, and that includes cats. Domestic cats aren't allowed to roam around freely anymore than a dog would be allowed to, which is surely why animal control picked up the cat. His problem is not with you - it's with animal control.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12231.0,"score_ratio":6.7} {"post_id":"z3aq8b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor getting attorney over cat getting taken to shelter? Does he have a case? Long story short, my neighbor has been neglecting his cat by keeping it locked outside in the cold, resulting in it roaming the neighborhood and trying to get into people\u2019s houses, including mine. I called animal control to take the cat to the shelter, and he\u2019s very upset. He\u2019s sent threatening texts and is now demanding that I go to the shelter to claim the cat, pay the fee, and pay to get a license so that we\u2019re \u201cco-owners\u201d. He could\u2019ve gone to the shelter to claim the cat himself any of these past couple days, but he hasn\u2019t, he wants us to do everything. He says it will get ugly if the cat isn\u2019t \u201cmeowing in his backyard soon\u201d and that he\u2019s willing to get an attorney over a cat. Is there any way that he could make this into a thing where I would need an attorney?","c_root_id_A":"ixmazzt","c_root_id_B":"ixl8k36","created_at_utc_A":1669302388,"created_at_utc_B":1669275243,"score_A":85,"score_B":40,"human_ref_A":"Text: please cease all contact. Should you choose to continue all available legal options will be taken That\u2019s it. Stop engaging with them as that\u2019s making it worse. If he continues follow thru.","human_ref_B":"Most communities have leash laws for pets, and that includes cats. Domestic cats aren't allowed to roam around freely anymore than a dog would be allowed to, which is surely why animal control picked up the cat. His problem is not with you - it's with animal control.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27145.0,"score_ratio":2.125} {"post_id":"z3aq8b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor getting attorney over cat getting taken to shelter? Does he have a case? Long story short, my neighbor has been neglecting his cat by keeping it locked outside in the cold, resulting in it roaming the neighborhood and trying to get into people\u2019s houses, including mine. I called animal control to take the cat to the shelter, and he\u2019s very upset. He\u2019s sent threatening texts and is now demanding that I go to the shelter to claim the cat, pay the fee, and pay to get a license so that we\u2019re \u201cco-owners\u201d. He could\u2019ve gone to the shelter to claim the cat himself any of these past couple days, but he hasn\u2019t, he wants us to do everything. He says it will get ugly if the cat isn\u2019t \u201cmeowing in his backyard soon\u201d and that he\u2019s willing to get an attorney over a cat. Is there any way that he could make this into a thing where I would need an attorney?","c_root_id_A":"ixmazzt","c_root_id_B":"ixm8oyh","created_at_utc_A":1669302388,"created_at_utc_B":1669301295,"score_A":85,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Text: please cease all contact. Should you choose to continue all available legal options will be taken That\u2019s it. Stop engaging with them as that\u2019s making it worse. If he continues follow thru.","human_ref_B":"If there is a pending case for animal abuse, this might be considered witness intimidation. Make sure to document it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1093.0,"score_ratio":8.5} {"post_id":"z3aq8b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor getting attorney over cat getting taken to shelter? Does he have a case? Long story short, my neighbor has been neglecting his cat by keeping it locked outside in the cold, resulting in it roaming the neighborhood and trying to get into people\u2019s houses, including mine. I called animal control to take the cat to the shelter, and he\u2019s very upset. He\u2019s sent threatening texts and is now demanding that I go to the shelter to claim the cat, pay the fee, and pay to get a license so that we\u2019re \u201cco-owners\u201d. He could\u2019ve gone to the shelter to claim the cat himself any of these past couple days, but he hasn\u2019t, he wants us to do everything. He says it will get ugly if the cat isn\u2019t \u201cmeowing in his backyard soon\u201d and that he\u2019s willing to get an attorney over a cat. Is there any way that he could make this into a thing where I would need an attorney?","c_root_id_A":"ixme1zn","c_root_id_B":"ixm8oyh","created_at_utc_A":1669303777,"created_at_utc_B":1669301295,"score_A":11,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Your neighbor has no case. You can call in to the appropriate agency for any situation you are concerned about. This is now between your neighbor and animal control. It's like if you were concerned about a child and called CPS. Even if it turned out the child was fine and you are mistaken, you have no legal liability criminally or civilly. Also, what lawyer would take this \"case\"? First, you did nothing wrong. Second, what are her damages? 10 dollars for the cat license and 5 dollars in gas to get to the shelter?","human_ref_B":"If there is a pending case for animal abuse, this might be considered witness intimidation. Make sure to document it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2482.0,"score_ratio":1.1} {"post_id":"z3aq8b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor getting attorney over cat getting taken to shelter? Does he have a case? Long story short, my neighbor has been neglecting his cat by keeping it locked outside in the cold, resulting in it roaming the neighborhood and trying to get into people\u2019s houses, including mine. I called animal control to take the cat to the shelter, and he\u2019s very upset. He\u2019s sent threatening texts and is now demanding that I go to the shelter to claim the cat, pay the fee, and pay to get a license so that we\u2019re \u201cco-owners\u201d. He could\u2019ve gone to the shelter to claim the cat himself any of these past couple days, but he hasn\u2019t, he wants us to do everything. He says it will get ugly if the cat isn\u2019t \u201cmeowing in his backyard soon\u201d and that he\u2019s willing to get an attorney over a cat. Is there any way that he could make this into a thing where I would need an attorney?","c_root_id_A":"ixmjkoh","c_root_id_B":"ixmmixt","created_at_utc_A":1669306194,"created_at_utc_B":1669307474,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"He'd better quit fooling around and go pick up his cat. Some shelters euthanize after 72 hours. \ud83d\ude22","human_ref_B":"So that cat was unlicensed. He hasn't a leg to stand on. That makes it no one's cat according to the law. If he doest have the money for a license he's not going to afford a lawyer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1280.0,"score_ratio":1.2} {"post_id":"z3aq8b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor getting attorney over cat getting taken to shelter? Does he have a case? Long story short, my neighbor has been neglecting his cat by keeping it locked outside in the cold, resulting in it roaming the neighborhood and trying to get into people\u2019s houses, including mine. I called animal control to take the cat to the shelter, and he\u2019s very upset. He\u2019s sent threatening texts and is now demanding that I go to the shelter to claim the cat, pay the fee, and pay to get a license so that we\u2019re \u201cco-owners\u201d. He could\u2019ve gone to the shelter to claim the cat himself any of these past couple days, but he hasn\u2019t, he wants us to do everything. He says it will get ugly if the cat isn\u2019t \u201cmeowing in his backyard soon\u201d and that he\u2019s willing to get an attorney over a cat. Is there any way that he could make this into a thing where I would need an attorney?","c_root_id_A":"ixmgkzo","c_root_id_B":"ixmmixt","created_at_utc_A":1669304893,"created_at_utc_B":1669307474,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Tell him to pound sand and cease further contact or you will be contacting law enforcement for harassment.","human_ref_B":"So that cat was unlicensed. He hasn't a leg to stand on. That makes it no one's cat according to the law. If he doest have the money for a license he's not going to afford a lawyer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2581.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"z3aq8b","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Neighbor getting attorney over cat getting taken to shelter? Does he have a case? Long story short, my neighbor has been neglecting his cat by keeping it locked outside in the cold, resulting in it roaming the neighborhood and trying to get into people\u2019s houses, including mine. I called animal control to take the cat to the shelter, and he\u2019s very upset. He\u2019s sent threatening texts and is now demanding that I go to the shelter to claim the cat, pay the fee, and pay to get a license so that we\u2019re \u201cco-owners\u201d. He could\u2019ve gone to the shelter to claim the cat himself any of these past couple days, but he hasn\u2019t, he wants us to do everything. He says it will get ugly if the cat isn\u2019t \u201cmeowing in his backyard soon\u201d and that he\u2019s willing to get an attorney over a cat. Is there any way that he could make this into a thing where I would need an attorney?","c_root_id_A":"ixmgkzo","c_root_id_B":"ixmjkoh","created_at_utc_A":1669304893,"created_at_utc_B":1669306194,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Tell him to pound sand and cease further contact or you will be contacting law enforcement for harassment.","human_ref_B":"He'd better quit fooling around and go pick up his cat. Some shelters euthanize after 72 hours. \ud83d\ude22","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1301.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} {"post_id":"r81vfn","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"My father died on the 21st. My mom and him were still married but \"secret family\" is refusing to give us his death certificate and allow my Mom to read the will. Sorry for the long rambling titled. My mom kicked my dad out after he hit her when I was 4 years old, that was 35 years ago. They were separated but never got a divorce. So I'm trying to get my father's death certificate and what else was left to her, but on Wednesday, his girlfriend's son in law called me and was threatening us and only said his lawyer will give us the death certificate and we can't read the will. So, this brings us to the \"secret family\" part. My mom knew my father was cheating on her while they were married. But apparently, he had a girlfriend, which we found out about 2 weeks ago. When I asked how old she was, she said 42. I'm 39. They said he took care of her and and his girlfriend's kids all of his life and were like what the hell? We never knew this. Wednesday, the son in law from their family asked me how come I wasn't in his life, why am I trying to get my mom, who is still my dad's wife, his death certificate and will. The answer was: He physically and sexually abused me when until I my mom moved away from the Bronx. I was in high school. I didn't tell him that. I responded with,\" I'm his son and my mom was still married to him.\" He moved from New York to Pennsylvania when he retired And then I snapped and flipped the fuck out with a fury of a thousand suns. My mom had to had talk to him. She kept saying that she was his wife and she had a right to his death certificate and read his will, but he said we can only do is through his lawyer, which is wrong. He refused to tell us the name and number of his lawyer. Yesterday I called the funeral home again and they told me my mom had to write a letter to them asking for it. Cool, she did that. But the problem we are having is that we have no access to his will, and we don't know how to get it. So I'm just asking for help on how my Mom can read his will. We don't know what steps to take, and this is a very new and frustrating thing for us. Is it possible to help us by letting us know how my mom can access to the will. I'd greatly appreciate that. This is affecting my mental and physical health (I have multiple sclerosis so stress REALLY fucks my body up). We have no idea how to do so.","c_root_id_A":"hn2woc7","c_root_id_B":"hn30kdb","created_at_utc_A":1638547344,"created_at_utc_B":1638548904,"score_A":5,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Hire a private attorney and they will get to the bottom of it.","human_ref_B":"This is a very complex situation. You need to retain a Wills, Trusts, & Estates Attorney to handle this.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1560.0,"score_ratio":4.8} {"post_id":"r81vfn","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"My father died on the 21st. My mom and him were still married but \"secret family\" is refusing to give us his death certificate and allow my Mom to read the will. Sorry for the long rambling titled. My mom kicked my dad out after he hit her when I was 4 years old, that was 35 years ago. They were separated but never got a divorce. So I'm trying to get my father's death certificate and what else was left to her, but on Wednesday, his girlfriend's son in law called me and was threatening us and only said his lawyer will give us the death certificate and we can't read the will. So, this brings us to the \"secret family\" part. My mom knew my father was cheating on her while they were married. But apparently, he had a girlfriend, which we found out about 2 weeks ago. When I asked how old she was, she said 42. I'm 39. They said he took care of her and and his girlfriend's kids all of his life and were like what the hell? We never knew this. Wednesday, the son in law from their family asked me how come I wasn't in his life, why am I trying to get my mom, who is still my dad's wife, his death certificate and will. The answer was: He physically and sexually abused me when until I my mom moved away from the Bronx. I was in high school. I didn't tell him that. I responded with,\" I'm his son and my mom was still married to him.\" He moved from New York to Pennsylvania when he retired And then I snapped and flipped the fuck out with a fury of a thousand suns. My mom had to had talk to him. She kept saying that she was his wife and she had a right to his death certificate and read his will, but he said we can only do is through his lawyer, which is wrong. He refused to tell us the name and number of his lawyer. Yesterday I called the funeral home again and they told me my mom had to write a letter to them asking for it. Cool, she did that. But the problem we are having is that we have no access to his will, and we don't know how to get it. So I'm just asking for help on how my Mom can read his will. We don't know what steps to take, and this is a very new and frustrating thing for us. Is it possible to help us by letting us know how my mom can access to the will. I'd greatly appreciate that. This is affecting my mental and physical health (I have multiple sclerosis so stress REALLY fucks my body up). We have no idea how to do so.","c_root_id_A":"hn33btn","c_root_id_B":"hn2woc7","created_at_utc_A":1638549998,"created_at_utc_B":1638547344,"score_A":17,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Definitely get an attorney. The good news is, if he had a will, his estate will have to go through probate, and that is a public court process. So they won't be able to do things in secret. If he owned property that was in a trust with the girlfriend, that would allow them to bypass probate, and you might never know about that.","human_ref_B":"Hire a private attorney and they will get to the bottom of it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2654.0,"score_ratio":3.4} {"post_id":"r81vfn","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"My father died on the 21st. My mom and him were still married but \"secret family\" is refusing to give us his death certificate and allow my Mom to read the will. Sorry for the long rambling titled. My mom kicked my dad out after he hit her when I was 4 years old, that was 35 years ago. They were separated but never got a divorce. So I'm trying to get my father's death certificate and what else was left to her, but on Wednesday, his girlfriend's son in law called me and was threatening us and only said his lawyer will give us the death certificate and we can't read the will. So, this brings us to the \"secret family\" part. My mom knew my father was cheating on her while they were married. But apparently, he had a girlfriend, which we found out about 2 weeks ago. When I asked how old she was, she said 42. I'm 39. They said he took care of her and and his girlfriend's kids all of his life and were like what the hell? We never knew this. Wednesday, the son in law from their family asked me how come I wasn't in his life, why am I trying to get my mom, who is still my dad's wife, his death certificate and will. The answer was: He physically and sexually abused me when until I my mom moved away from the Bronx. I was in high school. I didn't tell him that. I responded with,\" I'm his son and my mom was still married to him.\" He moved from New York to Pennsylvania when he retired And then I snapped and flipped the fuck out with a fury of a thousand suns. My mom had to had talk to him. She kept saying that she was his wife and she had a right to his death certificate and read his will, but he said we can only do is through his lawyer, which is wrong. He refused to tell us the name and number of his lawyer. Yesterday I called the funeral home again and they told me my mom had to write a letter to them asking for it. Cool, she did that. But the problem we are having is that we have no access to his will, and we don't know how to get it. So I'm just asking for help on how my Mom can read his will. We don't know what steps to take, and this is a very new and frustrating thing for us. Is it possible to help us by letting us know how my mom can access to the will. I'd greatly appreciate that. This is affecting my mental and physical health (I have multiple sclerosis so stress REALLY fucks my body up). We have no idea how to do so.","c_root_id_A":"hn36h1v","c_root_id_B":"hn38u25","created_at_utc_A":1638551220,"created_at_utc_B":1638552142,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Thank you so much for the advice!","human_ref_B":"I am not a New York attorney and I'm not familiar with NY probate laws and case law as they relate to situations such as yours. Can we assume your father died in the state of New York? In my State, the law requires that the person who possesses the last will must file it with the county probate court within 30 days of the decedent's death. However, in New York, I believe there is no deadline or date by which a last will must be filed. Therefore, understand that you will never obtain a copy of the last will from these people. It is possible that the last will has already been filed with the county probate court and you can contact that court to see if your father's last will has been filed. Also understand that it is possible that there is no last will. It is probable that they are now trying to obtain ownership or possession or control over his estate. These people can argue that they were never aware of your mothers existence as being married to your father. Since I assume all your communications with that family is my phone call, they could argue that they never had those phone call conversations in the first place. Therefore, I believe it important just start a paper trail and contact them by email and certified mail informing them that your mother is still married to your father and that you demand a copy of the last will and testament. You should hire attorney to do this. How much of an estate do you think he has? Assuming he died in the state of New York and assuming that there is no last will and testament, then here is a link to a page which describes how his estate would be settled: https:\/\/www.nolo.com\/legal-encyclopedia\/intestate-succession-new-york.html Do you think he had life insurance through his workplace or that he purchased personally? If the beneficiary of those insurance policies is his estate and there was no last will and testament, your mother may have a legal right to the proceeds from those life insurance policies. Good luck.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":922.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"ultg4a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My car was wrongfully towed and I feel like I\u2019m being scammed by my own apartment complex I moved into this apartment complex about a month ago, I pay for my assigned parking spot and yesterday I woke up to go to work and my car wasn\u2019t there, I freaked out and called every number from the apartment complex and no one answered, it was a Sunday but even the emergency numbers didn\u2019t answer and when they did they said my apartment complex wasn\u2019t even in their system. Using google I was able to find out my car was towed a couple of miles from me so I went to the tows company place and they told me that either someone complained or I was missing my parking pass that\u2019s supposed to be on my windshield. No one has parked or attempted to park where I park because that\u2019s been my fucking assigned spot for over a month, so no one would complain, and we haven\u2019t even been given parking passes. They refused to give me my car back even after I explained to them I was right and even showed them the text that proved it, at the end the lady at the towing company said \u201cmy boss called the apartment complex and they say you were parked in the wrong spot\u201d which was funny considering they ignored all my calls emails and messages. During my first 2 days living here I was assigned a parking number, then one day I came to see a car parked there, so they switched my parking spot to another number which is where I\u2019ve been parking ever since, I have the text as proof that I was indeed supposed to be parking where my car was towed for \u201cincorrect parking\u201d today one of the people from the apartment complex replied to me and pretty much said \u201cyou were parked in the wrong spot so it\u2019s your fault\u201d. I\u2019m thinking I take this to small claims court? I had to pay 350 to get my car out and I had to miss a day of work.","c_root_id_A":"i7xhdl7","c_root_id_B":"i7xhom1","created_at_utc_A":1652110002,"created_at_utc_B":1652110124,"score_A":164,"score_B":1074,"human_ref_A":"What state are you in? Depending on the state and laws there may be more you can do.","human_ref_B":"Yes small claims is where you go. Though it gets messy if your lease says park in spot a and you were towed from spot b even if they told you to.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":122.0,"score_ratio":6.5487804878} {"post_id":"ultg4a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My car was wrongfully towed and I feel like I\u2019m being scammed by my own apartment complex I moved into this apartment complex about a month ago, I pay for my assigned parking spot and yesterday I woke up to go to work and my car wasn\u2019t there, I freaked out and called every number from the apartment complex and no one answered, it was a Sunday but even the emergency numbers didn\u2019t answer and when they did they said my apartment complex wasn\u2019t even in their system. Using google I was able to find out my car was towed a couple of miles from me so I went to the tows company place and they told me that either someone complained or I was missing my parking pass that\u2019s supposed to be on my windshield. No one has parked or attempted to park where I park because that\u2019s been my fucking assigned spot for over a month, so no one would complain, and we haven\u2019t even been given parking passes. They refused to give me my car back even after I explained to them I was right and even showed them the text that proved it, at the end the lady at the towing company said \u201cmy boss called the apartment complex and they say you were parked in the wrong spot\u201d which was funny considering they ignored all my calls emails and messages. During my first 2 days living here I was assigned a parking number, then one day I came to see a car parked there, so they switched my parking spot to another number which is where I\u2019ve been parking ever since, I have the text as proof that I was indeed supposed to be parking where my car was towed for \u201cincorrect parking\u201d today one of the people from the apartment complex replied to me and pretty much said \u201cyou were parked in the wrong spot so it\u2019s your fault\u201d. I\u2019m thinking I take this to small claims court? I had to pay 350 to get my car out and I had to miss a day of work.","c_root_id_A":"i7z3el4","c_root_id_B":"i7yvwz4","created_at_utc_A":1652133705,"created_at_utc_B":1652130493,"score_A":112,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Write a demand letter to both the apartment management company and the tow company. Don't overthink this because the pertinent facts are: * Your lease entitles you to parking as part of your agreement. * You were instructed by the apartment manager to park in the spot from which your car was towed. * You were towed anyhow. I would also fill out the small claims paperwork naming both the apartment complex and the two company in the suit. Attach that to the letter and give them a deadline. Have it delivered certified mail and send a digital copy if you can as well. Give them a deadline and send the form to the court if you don't get a solution. If it were me, I'd throw in some extra damages for loss of use. For example, if you had to take a day off of work to deal with this bill them for what you would have been paid otherwise.","human_ref_B":"OP Read through your lease, that would be the first place to start. Make sure you get a copy of the text message and all other emails out that mentions the parking spot. Plenty of pictures and then get a lawyer. What you want to know is if they are in violation of the lease that you and they signed. If they are, you could see about breaking it and maybe getting all of the money back, along with the stuff for your car. Along with other damages, that could cost more than just what you are looking for. While small claims would be idea, however it would mean that they would be going after you for any and everything that they could to evict you, in retaliation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3212.0,"score_ratio":9.3333333333} {"post_id":"ultg4a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My car was wrongfully towed and I feel like I\u2019m being scammed by my own apartment complex I moved into this apartment complex about a month ago, I pay for my assigned parking spot and yesterday I woke up to go to work and my car wasn\u2019t there, I freaked out and called every number from the apartment complex and no one answered, it was a Sunday but even the emergency numbers didn\u2019t answer and when they did they said my apartment complex wasn\u2019t even in their system. Using google I was able to find out my car was towed a couple of miles from me so I went to the tows company place and they told me that either someone complained or I was missing my parking pass that\u2019s supposed to be on my windshield. No one has parked or attempted to park where I park because that\u2019s been my fucking assigned spot for over a month, so no one would complain, and we haven\u2019t even been given parking passes. They refused to give me my car back even after I explained to them I was right and even showed them the text that proved it, at the end the lady at the towing company said \u201cmy boss called the apartment complex and they say you were parked in the wrong spot\u201d which was funny considering they ignored all my calls emails and messages. During my first 2 days living here I was assigned a parking number, then one day I came to see a car parked there, so they switched my parking spot to another number which is where I\u2019ve been parking ever since, I have the text as proof that I was indeed supposed to be parking where my car was towed for \u201cincorrect parking\u201d today one of the people from the apartment complex replied to me and pretty much said \u201cyou were parked in the wrong spot so it\u2019s your fault\u201d. I\u2019m thinking I take this to small claims court? I had to pay 350 to get my car out and I had to miss a day of work.","c_root_id_A":"i7yvwz4","c_root_id_B":"i7z6f8d","created_at_utc_A":1652130493,"created_at_utc_B":1652135039,"score_A":12,"score_B":90,"human_ref_A":"OP Read through your lease, that would be the first place to start. Make sure you get a copy of the text message and all other emails out that mentions the parking spot. Plenty of pictures and then get a lawyer. What you want to know is if they are in violation of the lease that you and they signed. If they are, you could see about breaking it and maybe getting all of the money back, along with the stuff for your car. Along with other damages, that could cost more than just what you are looking for. While small claims would be idea, however it would mean that they would be going after you for any and everything that they could to evict you, in retaliation.","human_ref_B":"Just wanted to add here that after taking the landlord and\/or towing company to small claims court, you should assume your lease will not be renewed when it is done so start looking for a new place to live at least a couple of months out from your end date.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4546.0,"score_ratio":7.5} {"post_id":"ultg4a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My car was wrongfully towed and I feel like I\u2019m being scammed by my own apartment complex I moved into this apartment complex about a month ago, I pay for my assigned parking spot and yesterday I woke up to go to work and my car wasn\u2019t there, I freaked out and called every number from the apartment complex and no one answered, it was a Sunday but even the emergency numbers didn\u2019t answer and when they did they said my apartment complex wasn\u2019t even in their system. Using google I was able to find out my car was towed a couple of miles from me so I went to the tows company place and they told me that either someone complained or I was missing my parking pass that\u2019s supposed to be on my windshield. No one has parked or attempted to park where I park because that\u2019s been my fucking assigned spot for over a month, so no one would complain, and we haven\u2019t even been given parking passes. They refused to give me my car back even after I explained to them I was right and even showed them the text that proved it, at the end the lady at the towing company said \u201cmy boss called the apartment complex and they say you were parked in the wrong spot\u201d which was funny considering they ignored all my calls emails and messages. During my first 2 days living here I was assigned a parking number, then one day I came to see a car parked there, so they switched my parking spot to another number which is where I\u2019ve been parking ever since, I have the text as proof that I was indeed supposed to be parking where my car was towed for \u201cincorrect parking\u201d today one of the people from the apartment complex replied to me and pretty much said \u201cyou were parked in the wrong spot so it\u2019s your fault\u201d. I\u2019m thinking I take this to small claims court? I had to pay 350 to get my car out and I had to miss a day of work.","c_root_id_A":"i7zfb2j","c_root_id_B":"i7yvwz4","created_at_utc_A":1652139110,"created_at_utc_B":1652130493,"score_A":60,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"I've said this before and I'll say it again. DO NOT SUE THE MANAGEMENT! SUE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX! I had a similar thing happen. Parked in a guess parking spot at a girlfriend's apt complex and it was towed. I sued the apartment complex. When we got to court the judge didn't even talk to me, the first thing he did was ask the manager that showed up if she had permission to represent the complex. She did not. So they postponed the suit. She came back with a letter from the management company, NOT THE OWNER! The judge dismissed the case in my favor, I never said a word and still won. It's like suing Starbucks and a barista shows up, can't do that. Someone else also pointed out that if the complex is in an LLC or corporation it must have a lawyer represent them, even if it is technically owned by a single person who put the complex in an LLC. No one is going to pay a lawyer over a $350 tow charge. So most def, sue them!","human_ref_B":"OP Read through your lease, that would be the first place to start. Make sure you get a copy of the text message and all other emails out that mentions the parking spot. Plenty of pictures and then get a lawyer. What you want to know is if they are in violation of the lease that you and they signed. If they are, you could see about breaking it and maybe getting all of the money back, along with the stuff for your car. Along with other damages, that could cost more than just what you are looking for. While small claims would be idea, however it would mean that they would be going after you for any and everything that they could to evict you, in retaliation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8617.0,"score_ratio":5.0} {"post_id":"ultg4a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My car was wrongfully towed and I feel like I\u2019m being scammed by my own apartment complex I moved into this apartment complex about a month ago, I pay for my assigned parking spot and yesterday I woke up to go to work and my car wasn\u2019t there, I freaked out and called every number from the apartment complex and no one answered, it was a Sunday but even the emergency numbers didn\u2019t answer and when they did they said my apartment complex wasn\u2019t even in their system. Using google I was able to find out my car was towed a couple of miles from me so I went to the tows company place and they told me that either someone complained or I was missing my parking pass that\u2019s supposed to be on my windshield. No one has parked or attempted to park where I park because that\u2019s been my fucking assigned spot for over a month, so no one would complain, and we haven\u2019t even been given parking passes. They refused to give me my car back even after I explained to them I was right and even showed them the text that proved it, at the end the lady at the towing company said \u201cmy boss called the apartment complex and they say you were parked in the wrong spot\u201d which was funny considering they ignored all my calls emails and messages. During my first 2 days living here I was assigned a parking number, then one day I came to see a car parked there, so they switched my parking spot to another number which is where I\u2019ve been parking ever since, I have the text as proof that I was indeed supposed to be parking where my car was towed for \u201cincorrect parking\u201d today one of the people from the apartment complex replied to me and pretty much said \u201cyou were parked in the wrong spot so it\u2019s your fault\u201d. I\u2019m thinking I take this to small claims court? I had to pay 350 to get my car out and I had to miss a day of work.","c_root_id_A":"i7z9xoq","c_root_id_B":"i7zfb2j","created_at_utc_A":1652136627,"created_at_utc_B":1652139110,"score_A":13,"score_B":60,"human_ref_A":"Pay the towing company to get your car so that you can use it and so you don't rack up any more fees, it's not their fault that they towed a car that the property management had them tow. Present the evidence to your property management that you were towed wrongfully and ask them for the money back. If they refuse take them to small claims and ask for extra money for any lost wages or inconvenience caused by your car being wrongfully towed.","human_ref_B":"I've said this before and I'll say it again. DO NOT SUE THE MANAGEMENT! SUE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX! I had a similar thing happen. Parked in a guess parking spot at a girlfriend's apt complex and it was towed. I sued the apartment complex. When we got to court the judge didn't even talk to me, the first thing he did was ask the manager that showed up if she had permission to represent the complex. She did not. So they postponed the suit. She came back with a letter from the management company, NOT THE OWNER! The judge dismissed the case in my favor, I never said a word and still won. It's like suing Starbucks and a barista shows up, can't do that. Someone else also pointed out that if the complex is in an LLC or corporation it must have a lawyer represent them, even if it is technically owned by a single person who put the complex in an LLC. No one is going to pay a lawyer over a $350 tow charge. So most def, sue them!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2483.0,"score_ratio":4.6153846154} {"post_id":"ultg4a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My car was wrongfully towed and I feel like I\u2019m being scammed by my own apartment complex I moved into this apartment complex about a month ago, I pay for my assigned parking spot and yesterday I woke up to go to work and my car wasn\u2019t there, I freaked out and called every number from the apartment complex and no one answered, it was a Sunday but even the emergency numbers didn\u2019t answer and when they did they said my apartment complex wasn\u2019t even in their system. Using google I was able to find out my car was towed a couple of miles from me so I went to the tows company place and they told me that either someone complained or I was missing my parking pass that\u2019s supposed to be on my windshield. No one has parked or attempted to park where I park because that\u2019s been my fucking assigned spot for over a month, so no one would complain, and we haven\u2019t even been given parking passes. They refused to give me my car back even after I explained to them I was right and even showed them the text that proved it, at the end the lady at the towing company said \u201cmy boss called the apartment complex and they say you were parked in the wrong spot\u201d which was funny considering they ignored all my calls emails and messages. During my first 2 days living here I was assigned a parking number, then one day I came to see a car parked there, so they switched my parking spot to another number which is where I\u2019ve been parking ever since, I have the text as proof that I was indeed supposed to be parking where my car was towed for \u201cincorrect parking\u201d today one of the people from the apartment complex replied to me and pretty much said \u201cyou were parked in the wrong spot so it\u2019s your fault\u201d. I\u2019m thinking I take this to small claims court? I had to pay 350 to get my car out and I had to miss a day of work.","c_root_id_A":"i7zavq2","c_root_id_B":"i7zfb2j","created_at_utc_A":1652137060,"created_at_utc_B":1652139110,"score_A":4,"score_B":60,"human_ref_A":"What state? Some states have VERY specific towing requirements and you can recover all your costs plus some if you were wrongfully towed.","human_ref_B":"I've said this before and I'll say it again. DO NOT SUE THE MANAGEMENT! SUE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX! I had a similar thing happen. Parked in a guess parking spot at a girlfriend's apt complex and it was towed. I sued the apartment complex. When we got to court the judge didn't even talk to me, the first thing he did was ask the manager that showed up if she had permission to represent the complex. She did not. So they postponed the suit. She came back with a letter from the management company, NOT THE OWNER! The judge dismissed the case in my favor, I never said a word and still won. It's like suing Starbucks and a barista shows up, can't do that. Someone else also pointed out that if the complex is in an LLC or corporation it must have a lawyer represent them, even if it is technically owned by a single person who put the complex in an LLC. No one is going to pay a lawyer over a $350 tow charge. So most def, sue them!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2050.0,"score_ratio":15.0} {"post_id":"ultg4a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My car was wrongfully towed and I feel like I\u2019m being scammed by my own apartment complex I moved into this apartment complex about a month ago, I pay for my assigned parking spot and yesterday I woke up to go to work and my car wasn\u2019t there, I freaked out and called every number from the apartment complex and no one answered, it was a Sunday but even the emergency numbers didn\u2019t answer and when they did they said my apartment complex wasn\u2019t even in their system. Using google I was able to find out my car was towed a couple of miles from me so I went to the tows company place and they told me that either someone complained or I was missing my parking pass that\u2019s supposed to be on my windshield. No one has parked or attempted to park where I park because that\u2019s been my fucking assigned spot for over a month, so no one would complain, and we haven\u2019t even been given parking passes. They refused to give me my car back even after I explained to them I was right and even showed them the text that proved it, at the end the lady at the towing company said \u201cmy boss called the apartment complex and they say you were parked in the wrong spot\u201d which was funny considering they ignored all my calls emails and messages. During my first 2 days living here I was assigned a parking number, then one day I came to see a car parked there, so they switched my parking spot to another number which is where I\u2019ve been parking ever since, I have the text as proof that I was indeed supposed to be parking where my car was towed for \u201cincorrect parking\u201d today one of the people from the apartment complex replied to me and pretty much said \u201cyou were parked in the wrong spot so it\u2019s your fault\u201d. I\u2019m thinking I take this to small claims court? I had to pay 350 to get my car out and I had to miss a day of work.","c_root_id_A":"i7zjj38","c_root_id_B":"i7yvwz4","created_at_utc_A":1652141039,"created_at_utc_B":1652130493,"score_A":22,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"OP, first thing you do is write a registered letter saying what you've told us and saying that you intend legal action. A registered letter is the first step of opening a legal can of whip-ass. They mean that you mean business.","human_ref_B":"OP Read through your lease, that would be the first place to start. Make sure you get a copy of the text message and all other emails out that mentions the parking spot. Plenty of pictures and then get a lawyer. What you want to know is if they are in violation of the lease that you and they signed. If they are, you could see about breaking it and maybe getting all of the money back, along with the stuff for your car. Along with other damages, that could cost more than just what you are looking for. While small claims would be idea, however it would mean that they would be going after you for any and everything that they could to evict you, in retaliation.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10546.0,"score_ratio":1.8333333333} {"post_id":"ultg4a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My car was wrongfully towed and I feel like I\u2019m being scammed by my own apartment complex I moved into this apartment complex about a month ago, I pay for my assigned parking spot and yesterday I woke up to go to work and my car wasn\u2019t there, I freaked out and called every number from the apartment complex and no one answered, it was a Sunday but even the emergency numbers didn\u2019t answer and when they did they said my apartment complex wasn\u2019t even in their system. Using google I was able to find out my car was towed a couple of miles from me so I went to the tows company place and they told me that either someone complained or I was missing my parking pass that\u2019s supposed to be on my windshield. No one has parked or attempted to park where I park because that\u2019s been my fucking assigned spot for over a month, so no one would complain, and we haven\u2019t even been given parking passes. They refused to give me my car back even after I explained to them I was right and even showed them the text that proved it, at the end the lady at the towing company said \u201cmy boss called the apartment complex and they say you were parked in the wrong spot\u201d which was funny considering they ignored all my calls emails and messages. During my first 2 days living here I was assigned a parking number, then one day I came to see a car parked there, so they switched my parking spot to another number which is where I\u2019ve been parking ever since, I have the text as proof that I was indeed supposed to be parking where my car was towed for \u201cincorrect parking\u201d today one of the people from the apartment complex replied to me and pretty much said \u201cyou were parked in the wrong spot so it\u2019s your fault\u201d. I\u2019m thinking I take this to small claims court? I had to pay 350 to get my car out and I had to miss a day of work.","c_root_id_A":"i7z9xoq","c_root_id_B":"i7zjj38","created_at_utc_A":1652136627,"created_at_utc_B":1652141039,"score_A":13,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Pay the towing company to get your car so that you can use it and so you don't rack up any more fees, it's not their fault that they towed a car that the property management had them tow. Present the evidence to your property management that you were towed wrongfully and ask them for the money back. If they refuse take them to small claims and ask for extra money for any lost wages or inconvenience caused by your car being wrongfully towed.","human_ref_B":"OP, first thing you do is write a registered letter saying what you've told us and saying that you intend legal action. A registered letter is the first step of opening a legal can of whip-ass. They mean that you mean business.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4412.0,"score_ratio":1.6923076923} {"post_id":"ultg4a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My car was wrongfully towed and I feel like I\u2019m being scammed by my own apartment complex I moved into this apartment complex about a month ago, I pay for my assigned parking spot and yesterday I woke up to go to work and my car wasn\u2019t there, I freaked out and called every number from the apartment complex and no one answered, it was a Sunday but even the emergency numbers didn\u2019t answer and when they did they said my apartment complex wasn\u2019t even in their system. Using google I was able to find out my car was towed a couple of miles from me so I went to the tows company place and they told me that either someone complained or I was missing my parking pass that\u2019s supposed to be on my windshield. No one has parked or attempted to park where I park because that\u2019s been my fucking assigned spot for over a month, so no one would complain, and we haven\u2019t even been given parking passes. They refused to give me my car back even after I explained to them I was right and even showed them the text that proved it, at the end the lady at the towing company said \u201cmy boss called the apartment complex and they say you were parked in the wrong spot\u201d which was funny considering they ignored all my calls emails and messages. During my first 2 days living here I was assigned a parking number, then one day I came to see a car parked there, so they switched my parking spot to another number which is where I\u2019ve been parking ever since, I have the text as proof that I was indeed supposed to be parking where my car was towed for \u201cincorrect parking\u201d today one of the people from the apartment complex replied to me and pretty much said \u201cyou were parked in the wrong spot so it\u2019s your fault\u201d. I\u2019m thinking I take this to small claims court? I had to pay 350 to get my car out and I had to miss a day of work.","c_root_id_A":"i7zjj38","c_root_id_B":"i7zavq2","created_at_utc_A":1652141039,"created_at_utc_B":1652137060,"score_A":22,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"OP, first thing you do is write a registered letter saying what you've told us and saying that you intend legal action. A registered letter is the first step of opening a legal can of whip-ass. They mean that you mean business.","human_ref_B":"What state? Some states have VERY specific towing requirements and you can recover all your costs plus some if you were wrongfully towed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3979.0,"score_ratio":5.5} {"post_id":"ultg4a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My car was wrongfully towed and I feel like I\u2019m being scammed by my own apartment complex I moved into this apartment complex about a month ago, I pay for my assigned parking spot and yesterday I woke up to go to work and my car wasn\u2019t there, I freaked out and called every number from the apartment complex and no one answered, it was a Sunday but even the emergency numbers didn\u2019t answer and when they did they said my apartment complex wasn\u2019t even in their system. Using google I was able to find out my car was towed a couple of miles from me so I went to the tows company place and they told me that either someone complained or I was missing my parking pass that\u2019s supposed to be on my windshield. No one has parked or attempted to park where I park because that\u2019s been my fucking assigned spot for over a month, so no one would complain, and we haven\u2019t even been given parking passes. They refused to give me my car back even after I explained to them I was right and even showed them the text that proved it, at the end the lady at the towing company said \u201cmy boss called the apartment complex and they say you were parked in the wrong spot\u201d which was funny considering they ignored all my calls emails and messages. During my first 2 days living here I was assigned a parking number, then one day I came to see a car parked there, so they switched my parking spot to another number which is where I\u2019ve been parking ever since, I have the text as proof that I was indeed supposed to be parking where my car was towed for \u201cincorrect parking\u201d today one of the people from the apartment complex replied to me and pretty much said \u201cyou were parked in the wrong spot so it\u2019s your fault\u201d. I\u2019m thinking I take this to small claims court? I had to pay 350 to get my car out and I had to miss a day of work.","c_root_id_A":"i7yvwz4","c_root_id_B":"i7z9xoq","created_at_utc_A":1652130493,"created_at_utc_B":1652136627,"score_A":12,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"OP Read through your lease, that would be the first place to start. Make sure you get a copy of the text message and all other emails out that mentions the parking spot. Plenty of pictures and then get a lawyer. What you want to know is if they are in violation of the lease that you and they signed. If they are, you could see about breaking it and maybe getting all of the money back, along with the stuff for your car. Along with other damages, that could cost more than just what you are looking for. While small claims would be idea, however it would mean that they would be going after you for any and everything that they could to evict you, in retaliation.","human_ref_B":"Pay the towing company to get your car so that you can use it and so you don't rack up any more fees, it's not their fault that they towed a car that the property management had them tow. Present the evidence to your property management that you were towed wrongfully and ask them for the money back. If they refuse take them to small claims and ask for extra money for any lost wages or inconvenience caused by your car being wrongfully towed.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6134.0,"score_ratio":1.0833333333} {"post_id":"ultg4a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My car was wrongfully towed and I feel like I\u2019m being scammed by my own apartment complex I moved into this apartment complex about a month ago, I pay for my assigned parking spot and yesterday I woke up to go to work and my car wasn\u2019t there, I freaked out and called every number from the apartment complex and no one answered, it was a Sunday but even the emergency numbers didn\u2019t answer and when they did they said my apartment complex wasn\u2019t even in their system. Using google I was able to find out my car was towed a couple of miles from me so I went to the tows company place and they told me that either someone complained or I was missing my parking pass that\u2019s supposed to be on my windshield. No one has parked or attempted to park where I park because that\u2019s been my fucking assigned spot for over a month, so no one would complain, and we haven\u2019t even been given parking passes. They refused to give me my car back even after I explained to them I was right and even showed them the text that proved it, at the end the lady at the towing company said \u201cmy boss called the apartment complex and they say you were parked in the wrong spot\u201d which was funny considering they ignored all my calls emails and messages. During my first 2 days living here I was assigned a parking number, then one day I came to see a car parked there, so they switched my parking spot to another number which is where I\u2019ve been parking ever since, I have the text as proof that I was indeed supposed to be parking where my car was towed for \u201cincorrect parking\u201d today one of the people from the apartment complex replied to me and pretty much said \u201cyou were parked in the wrong spot so it\u2019s your fault\u201d. I\u2019m thinking I take this to small claims court? I had to pay 350 to get my car out and I had to miss a day of work.","c_root_id_A":"i7zavq2","c_root_id_B":"i8002g9","created_at_utc_A":1652137060,"created_at_utc_B":1652148460,"score_A":4,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"What state? Some states have VERY specific towing requirements and you can recover all your costs plus some if you were wrongfully towed.","human_ref_B":"Does your apartment have a message board, or a way for tenants to privately contact each other? Then, you can see if there is a larger pattern of this behavior. They could have a deal with the towing company and make money off tenants.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11400.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"ultg4a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My car was wrongfully towed and I feel like I\u2019m being scammed by my own apartment complex I moved into this apartment complex about a month ago, I pay for my assigned parking spot and yesterday I woke up to go to work and my car wasn\u2019t there, I freaked out and called every number from the apartment complex and no one answered, it was a Sunday but even the emergency numbers didn\u2019t answer and when they did they said my apartment complex wasn\u2019t even in their system. Using google I was able to find out my car was towed a couple of miles from me so I went to the tows company place and they told me that either someone complained or I was missing my parking pass that\u2019s supposed to be on my windshield. No one has parked or attempted to park where I park because that\u2019s been my fucking assigned spot for over a month, so no one would complain, and we haven\u2019t even been given parking passes. They refused to give me my car back even after I explained to them I was right and even showed them the text that proved it, at the end the lady at the towing company said \u201cmy boss called the apartment complex and they say you were parked in the wrong spot\u201d which was funny considering they ignored all my calls emails and messages. During my first 2 days living here I was assigned a parking number, then one day I came to see a car parked there, so they switched my parking spot to another number which is where I\u2019ve been parking ever since, I have the text as proof that I was indeed supposed to be parking where my car was towed for \u201cincorrect parking\u201d today one of the people from the apartment complex replied to me and pretty much said \u201cyou were parked in the wrong spot so it\u2019s your fault\u201d. I\u2019m thinking I take this to small claims court? I had to pay 350 to get my car out and I had to miss a day of work.","c_root_id_A":"i806gav","c_root_id_B":"i7zavq2","created_at_utc_A":1652151484,"created_at_utc_B":1652137060,"score_A":8,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Court. Do it","human_ref_B":"What state? Some states have VERY specific towing requirements and you can recover all your costs plus some if you were wrongfully towed.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14424.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"c47n8h","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"Can I legally obtain my father\u2019s marriage records and\/or find out how many children he has without his assistance? If this is the wrong place to post this feel free to direct me to the correct sub. I figured this was the best place to start. So basically I lived most of my life assuming my dad only had children with my mom. They divorced in 2016, and my mom learned he had lied for their entire 20+ year marriage. My mom was his 7th wife. I got to meet one half-brother, and assumed that was it. As of last week a half-sister contacted me. She believes there are more siblings. It pretty much looks like ever since my dad turned 18, he\u2019s been traveling around the southern US, getting women pregnant, abusing them for a few months, then abandoning them. No child support, no contact, just divorced them and left. If it helps at all I have the names of 4 of the wives but no contact info. My half-sister already tested her DNA and got no matches. One wife is deceased for sure. One of my half-siblings is also potentially deceased. The siblings are spread out - 3+ in Northern Florida, one in Texas (but born in Florida), rest unknown. His name would be on all the birth certificates. I want to track down as many half-siblings as possible, but I can\u2019t contact my dad. At this point I\u2019m not even sure if he remembers half of them, anyway. He\u2019s in his early 70\u2019s and not entirely there. He\u2019s also high on something most of the time. How could I go about legally obtaining a record like this without his help?","c_root_id_A":"ervt0l1","c_root_id_B":"ervw6vb","created_at_utc_A":1561324303,"created_at_utc_B":1561326583,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Free site to use for your search; www.familysearch.org","human_ref_B":"So marriage licenses are usually public record. If you know the names, dates, and places involved you can call either parish\/public records or their local genealogical society. My older half-sister is going through something similar right now. It sucks. Temper your expectations because some of the women and children aren\u2019t going to want to go down memory lane.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2280.0,"score_ratio":1.25} {"post_id":"u1avzr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"In-laws Sent Cease and Desist but Lied to Get It My in-laws think my wife and I called cps for their kids and defaced their property (someone painted their driveway apparently). We did neither of those things. We received a cease and desist letter by email that contained complete lies for things we have never done. Can someone explain what could come of that? Also, it asked for \u201cwritten assurance that I will refrain from further action\u201d by a certain date. I do not want to sign anything that makes it seem like I\u2019ve done something before when I haven\u2019t.. maybe someone can advise on that as well. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"i4d8bmk","c_root_id_B":"i4cdks1","created_at_utc_A":1649724750,"created_at_utc_B":1649711682,"score_A":9,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"OP I would say relax and do nothing. Do not sign anything, do not respond. Get an attorney. The more I think about this, the more that does not seem right and makes the entire thing seem fake. And an attorney would be able to make calls and get information you may not be able to alot faster and quicker. The entire letting seems suspect. Here is what does not pass the smell test: The calling of CPS, the defacing of the property, and the written assurance. The calling of CPS: If they are complaining you are calling CPS and want you to stop, the problem is that unless the Attorney sued the state and got ahold of the records, the name of the person making the complaint is usually not revealed at all. Nor would an attorney put down and state you can not call CPS. Attorneys are court officers and thus mandatory reporters. And if you, were working a job, where you are considered a mandatory reporter, then you could not adhere to this letter. The defacing of the property. That is a criminal offense. Most attorneys, from what I understand do not like to mix civil and criminal. Was there a criminal complaint made, is there an active investigation. Lawyers like it when the criminal case is over and the criminal is found guilty, makes their jobs easier and guarantees they can win. Hence why you want an attorney to call and find out for you, thus protecting your rights, and you from any and all legal entanglements with the police. I would suggest you gather evidence to show where you were on that night and who all can attest to such. The written assurance. There is something way off with that one. From my own experience, if an attorney wants you to write or sign anything in a legal sense, they are going to want it notarized, before being sent to them. I would not write out anything it seems like a trap that can and will be used against you and your wife at a later date. You want a lawyer for several reasons: 1) You want the legal advice for your area. 2) You want to know if this is real or not. It could be fake. And an attorney could tell right away and or if the person whose name on the top is a real lawyer, check the bar number, even give him a call on your behalf. 3) You want the lawyer to call to find out if there is a criminal investigation about the vandalism of private property, if you are a suspect, ect. ​ As far as how they did it, not too hard really. If they got a lawyer to do this, (Though I think it is fake and if it is real to scare you.) All they did was go out find a lawyer, paid a fee, told a story, and then cried and the lawyer wrote this up and sent it to you. Lawyer don't care right now, as the C&D is the cheapest easiest option. Now if your lawyer calls him up and asked him about this, then their attorney is going to start to care and this is going to cost them more money. And get tricky for them. Take a deep breath, get a lawyer and show him the C&D and get good sound legal advice, and possibly have the lawyer respond to it.","human_ref_B":"You don\u2019t \u201cget\u201d a cease and desist letter. You don\u2019t have to prove anything to a court or a lawyer to write one. You can literally just make up bullshit, put it in a letter, and then demand something for said bullshit. Just ignore the letter. Don\u2019t respond. Don\u2019t acknowledge. If and when they get an attorney for file an actual lawsuit, then you can decide what to do next.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13068.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} {"post_id":"7sxn7z","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"State of Georgia asking me for child support on kids my ex wife had while we were separated (15yrs) with 2 other men while I lived 2000 miles away. Help. My ex and I were married many years ago in Tennessee. Separated after a few years and I have not seen her since 2000. She has 2 kids in Georgia during the next 17 years. We officially divorced last year and in the papers it states that she gets nothing from me for the kids, since they were not mine. She has never claimed they were mine. The state of Georgia is now saying I may owe a ridiculously large amount of child support (kids are 5 and 8). Will a simple DNA test settle this? The ex is actually trying to get the kids back from her mother who has custody of them for some reason. It was my stupidity for not getting the divorce years ago, but I was traveling alot and just never did the paperwork. Any advice or thoughts from experience would be greatly appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"dt87f3v","c_root_id_B":"dt8g2h0","created_at_utc_A":1516901261,"created_at_utc_B":1516909135,"score_A":4,"score_B":90,"human_ref_A":"Did you sign the birth certificates?","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer. Did the divorce decree actually address the two children as not yours or did it just ignore them completely? If they were listed as not being your children in the court order you should be able to provide the state with the order as proof you\u2019re not the father. If the order just ignores the kids\u2019 existence then an argument may be made that they are children of the marriage and legally your children. In which case a lawyer would be your best option to see if genetic testing can be done to disestablish paternity.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7874.0,"score_ratio":22.5} {"post_id":"7sxn7z","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"State of Georgia asking me for child support on kids my ex wife had while we were separated (15yrs) with 2 other men while I lived 2000 miles away. Help. My ex and I were married many years ago in Tennessee. Separated after a few years and I have not seen her since 2000. She has 2 kids in Georgia during the next 17 years. We officially divorced last year and in the papers it states that she gets nothing from me for the kids, since they were not mine. She has never claimed they were mine. The state of Georgia is now saying I may owe a ridiculously large amount of child support (kids are 5 and 8). Will a simple DNA test settle this? The ex is actually trying to get the kids back from her mother who has custody of them for some reason. It was my stupidity for not getting the divorce years ago, but I was traveling alot and just never did the paperwork. Any advice or thoughts from experience would be greatly appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"dt8ia3f","c_root_id_B":"dt8ph77","created_at_utc_A":1516911179,"created_at_utc_B":1516917879,"score_A":19,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"You're going to need a lawyer to navigate this properly, but since you can show that they're not your children and you haven't had any relationship or involvement in your life for their entire lives, I'd be pretty confident you're not going to owe her child support. Again, get a lawyer to navigate this properly. They may also be able to see if anything's actually been filed anywhere.","human_ref_B":"You need a lawyer to help you navigate this, but the good news is that in Georgia there is a rebuttable presumption that the husband is the legal father of the children but they do recognize that since there is no possibility that you are the father (since you did not see the mother at all during the time she would have gotten pregnant) and can prove via DNA testing that you aren't the biological parent, you will be able to get out of it. But you'll want to get a Georgia lawyer to navigate your way through this. Just FYI, the state coming after you means that someone (either your ex-wife or her family) tried to get some sort of public assistance (PeachCare, SNAP, WIC, something) and now the state is trying to recoup some of the costs by nailing you for child support. Since you're not the father, you won't have to pay, unless you screw up somehow. Get an attorney.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6700.0,"score_ratio":4.4736842105} {"post_id":"7sxn7z","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"State of Georgia asking me for child support on kids my ex wife had while we were separated (15yrs) with 2 other men while I lived 2000 miles away. Help. My ex and I were married many years ago in Tennessee. Separated after a few years and I have not seen her since 2000. She has 2 kids in Georgia during the next 17 years. We officially divorced last year and in the papers it states that she gets nothing from me for the kids, since they were not mine. She has never claimed they were mine. The state of Georgia is now saying I may owe a ridiculously large amount of child support (kids are 5 and 8). Will a simple DNA test settle this? The ex is actually trying to get the kids back from her mother who has custody of them for some reason. It was my stupidity for not getting the divorce years ago, but I was traveling alot and just never did the paperwork. Any advice or thoughts from experience would be greatly appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"dt87f3v","c_root_id_B":"dt8ph77","created_at_utc_A":1516901261,"created_at_utc_B":1516917879,"score_A":4,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"Did you sign the birth certificates?","human_ref_B":"You need a lawyer to help you navigate this, but the good news is that in Georgia there is a rebuttable presumption that the husband is the legal father of the children but they do recognize that since there is no possibility that you are the father (since you did not see the mother at all during the time she would have gotten pregnant) and can prove via DNA testing that you aren't the biological parent, you will be able to get out of it. But you'll want to get a Georgia lawyer to navigate your way through this. Just FYI, the state coming after you means that someone (either your ex-wife or her family) tried to get some sort of public assistance (PeachCare, SNAP, WIC, something) and now the state is trying to recoup some of the costs by nailing you for child support. Since you're not the father, you won't have to pay, unless you screw up somehow. Get an attorney.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16618.0,"score_ratio":21.25} {"post_id":"7sxn7z","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"State of Georgia asking me for child support on kids my ex wife had while we were separated (15yrs) with 2 other men while I lived 2000 miles away. Help. My ex and I were married many years ago in Tennessee. Separated after a few years and I have not seen her since 2000. She has 2 kids in Georgia during the next 17 years. We officially divorced last year and in the papers it states that she gets nothing from me for the kids, since they were not mine. She has never claimed they were mine. The state of Georgia is now saying I may owe a ridiculously large amount of child support (kids are 5 and 8). Will a simple DNA test settle this? The ex is actually trying to get the kids back from her mother who has custody of them for some reason. It was my stupidity for not getting the divorce years ago, but I was traveling alot and just never did the paperwork. Any advice or thoughts from experience would be greatly appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"dt87f3v","c_root_id_B":"dt8ia3f","created_at_utc_A":1516901261,"created_at_utc_B":1516911179,"score_A":4,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Did you sign the birth certificates?","human_ref_B":"You're going to need a lawyer to navigate this properly, but since you can show that they're not your children and you haven't had any relationship or involvement in your life for their entire lives, I'd be pretty confident you're not going to owe her child support. Again, get a lawyer to navigate this properly. They may also be able to see if anything's actually been filed anywhere.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9918.0,"score_ratio":4.75} {"post_id":"7sxn7z","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"State of Georgia asking me for child support on kids my ex wife had while we were separated (15yrs) with 2 other men while I lived 2000 miles away. Help. My ex and I were married many years ago in Tennessee. Separated after a few years and I have not seen her since 2000. She has 2 kids in Georgia during the next 17 years. We officially divorced last year and in the papers it states that she gets nothing from me for the kids, since they were not mine. She has never claimed they were mine. The state of Georgia is now saying I may owe a ridiculously large amount of child support (kids are 5 and 8). Will a simple DNA test settle this? The ex is actually trying to get the kids back from her mother who has custody of them for some reason. It was my stupidity for not getting the divorce years ago, but I was traveling alot and just never did the paperwork. Any advice or thoughts from experience would be greatly appreciated.","c_root_id_A":"dt95jrh","c_root_id_B":"dt87f3v","created_at_utc_A":1516935228,"created_at_utc_B":1516901261,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a lawyer in Ohio (only licensed in Ohio). The law may be different in GA. Who called you - what Agency did they say they were with? Also, you may very well qualify for the public defender - you should definitely check into this as soon as you receive the paperwork in the mail.","human_ref_B":"Did you sign the birth certificates?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":33967.0,"score_ratio":1.25} {"post_id":"y680sc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Got a Letter from California Highway Patrol for \"Displaying Out-of-state Plates\" despite the fact that I am not a permanent resident there. I got a letter in the mail from the California Highway Patrol, and the letter states that my car is displaying out-of-state plates and I need to register the car right away. I have stayed and worked in California for a few months, but my primary residence is where the car is tagged, in New Jersey. I am actually currently in New Jersey now for a few months working on a job, as I am a freelance filmmaker, and I had to leave my car parked over in California (in a driveway) to take a plane back home. I am wondering how serious is this letter, and whether or not I should call to explain my case to them. If I have to, I could register the car in the state to avoid any more trouble, but I feel that it isn't fair that I have only stayed there for a short time and the CHP is tracking me.","c_root_id_A":"isoaxh7","c_root_id_B":"isocps7","created_at_utc_A":1666015189,"created_at_utc_B":1666016006,"score_A":70,"score_B":699,"human_ref_A":"Hey OP, Cali is weird, and hates getting screwed by it\u2019s neighbor states for insurance claims. Cali has slightly higher requirements for insurance than most states (esp my home of nv). Because they have a lot of tourists and seasonal workers, their laws are written to protect their residents and force folks who are in the state for an extended period to register with the state. I would reach out to the DMV and ask if there is any exception. They are unlikely to impound your car or something if it is legally in that driveway, but if you get pulled over when you go back, you might face higher consequences.","human_ref_B":"OP, a lot of the comments here are wrong. I dealt with this when I was a student in law school in CA with MN plates. Here is California Vehicle Code 516, defining what it means to be a \"resident\": \u201cResident\u201d means any person who manifests an intent to live or be located in this state *on more than a temporary or transient basis.* Presence in the state for six months or more in any 12-month period gives rise to a rebuttable presumption of residency. I don't believe they can give you a ticket for simply having out-of-state plates. You would just have to pay more if you decide to register your car in CA. Edit: OP, I pulled up my complaint against the DMV from 2015 and found other code sections that are directly on point for \"nonresidents\" of California. Look at California Vehicle Code Sections 6700 and 6700.2. They basically say that a nonresident can operate the vehicle in CA until you obtain gainful employment in CA *OR* \"until residency is established.\" (Cal. Vehicle Code 6700(a).) Section 6700.2 deals with nonresident \"daily commuters.\" It states that you can operate a motor vehicle as a nonresident if you are not a commercial vehicle, and your car is less than a certain weight (8,001 pounds), and the vehicle is not used \"in the course of business,\" such as for hauling property. Suffice it to say, you should respond to CHP with a letter, citing these code sections.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":817.0,"score_ratio":9.9857142857} {"post_id":"y680sc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Got a Letter from California Highway Patrol for \"Displaying Out-of-state Plates\" despite the fact that I am not a permanent resident there. I got a letter in the mail from the California Highway Patrol, and the letter states that my car is displaying out-of-state plates and I need to register the car right away. I have stayed and worked in California for a few months, but my primary residence is where the car is tagged, in New Jersey. I am actually currently in New Jersey now for a few months working on a job, as I am a freelance filmmaker, and I had to leave my car parked over in California (in a driveway) to take a plane back home. I am wondering how serious is this letter, and whether or not I should call to explain my case to them. If I have to, I could register the car in the state to avoid any more trouble, but I feel that it isn't fair that I have only stayed there for a short time and the CHP is tracking me.","c_root_id_A":"isoaxh7","c_root_id_B":"isoxllz","created_at_utc_A":1666015189,"created_at_utc_B":1666025168,"score_A":70,"score_B":139,"human_ref_A":"Hey OP, Cali is weird, and hates getting screwed by it\u2019s neighbor states for insurance claims. Cali has slightly higher requirements for insurance than most states (esp my home of nv). Because they have a lot of tourists and seasonal workers, their laws are written to protect their residents and force folks who are in the state for an extended period to register with the state. I would reach out to the DMV and ask if there is any exception. They are unlikely to impound your car or something if it is legally in that driveway, but if you get pulled over when you go back, you might face higher consequences.","human_ref_B":"I work in insurance, if you register your car there you\u2019re also going to have to get California insurance as they are a reporting state. The first question your insurance agent is going to have is \u201cwhat\u2019s your address?\u201d If your primary address is not California, then that isn\u2019t where your insurance should come from. Therefore you shouldn\u2019t be registering your vehicle there. If you have no intention to be permanently domiciled in California I\u2019d tell them ever so politely to suck your nuts and if they push it I\u2019d call somebody from your own department of state or other relevant agency and ask for help.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9979.0,"score_ratio":1.9857142857} {"post_id":"y680sc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Got a Letter from California Highway Patrol for \"Displaying Out-of-state Plates\" despite the fact that I am not a permanent resident there. I got a letter in the mail from the California Highway Patrol, and the letter states that my car is displaying out-of-state plates and I need to register the car right away. I have stayed and worked in California for a few months, but my primary residence is where the car is tagged, in New Jersey. I am actually currently in New Jersey now for a few months working on a job, as I am a freelance filmmaker, and I had to leave my car parked over in California (in a driveway) to take a plane back home. I am wondering how serious is this letter, and whether or not I should call to explain my case to them. If I have to, I could register the car in the state to avoid any more trouble, but I feel that it isn't fair that I have only stayed there for a short time and the CHP is tracking me.","c_root_id_A":"isq4fot","c_root_id_B":"ispg9qf","created_at_utc_A":1666042138,"created_at_utc_B":1666032629,"score_A":20,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Have a friend who splits time between Cicago and San Diego. He is diligent in making sure he is never in CA for more than 6 months. He cuts it off around 5.5 months. He said they look at things like cell records and tolls and crap like that to establish 6 months.","human_ref_B":"This is just so California can collect on the Registration Fees and Taxes that were already paid for in another state.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9509.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"y680sc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Got a Letter from California Highway Patrol for \"Displaying Out-of-state Plates\" despite the fact that I am not a permanent resident there. I got a letter in the mail from the California Highway Patrol, and the letter states that my car is displaying out-of-state plates and I need to register the car right away. I have stayed and worked in California for a few months, but my primary residence is where the car is tagged, in New Jersey. I am actually currently in New Jersey now for a few months working on a job, as I am a freelance filmmaker, and I had to leave my car parked over in California (in a driveway) to take a plane back home. I am wondering how serious is this letter, and whether or not I should call to explain my case to them. If I have to, I could register the car in the state to avoid any more trouble, but I feel that it isn't fair that I have only stayed there for a short time and the CHP is tracking me.","c_root_id_A":"isq4fot","c_root_id_B":"isp4vi1","created_at_utc_A":1666042138,"created_at_utc_B":1666028149,"score_A":20,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"Have a friend who splits time between Cicago and San Diego. He is diligent in making sure he is never in CA for more than 6 months. He cuts it off around 5.5 months. He said they look at things like cell records and tolls and crap like that to establish 6 months.","human_ref_B":"This may be helpful too:. https:\/\/www.chp.ca.gov\/PressReleases\/Pages\/CHP-REVAMPS-REGISTRATION-VIOLATORS-PROGRAM.aspx","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13989.0,"score_ratio":6.6666666667} {"post_id":"y680sc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Got a Letter from California Highway Patrol for \"Displaying Out-of-state Plates\" despite the fact that I am not a permanent resident there. I got a letter in the mail from the California Highway Patrol, and the letter states that my car is displaying out-of-state plates and I need to register the car right away. I have stayed and worked in California for a few months, but my primary residence is where the car is tagged, in New Jersey. I am actually currently in New Jersey now for a few months working on a job, as I am a freelance filmmaker, and I had to leave my car parked over in California (in a driveway) to take a plane back home. I am wondering how serious is this letter, and whether or not I should call to explain my case to them. If I have to, I could register the car in the state to avoid any more trouble, but I feel that it isn't fair that I have only stayed there for a short time and the CHP is tracking me.","c_root_id_A":"ispg9qf","c_root_id_B":"isp4vi1","created_at_utc_A":1666032629,"created_at_utc_B":1666028149,"score_A":10,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"This is just so California can collect on the Registration Fees and Taxes that were already paid for in another state.","human_ref_B":"This may be helpful too:. https:\/\/www.chp.ca.gov\/PressReleases\/Pages\/CHP-REVAMPS-REGISTRATION-VIOLATORS-PROGRAM.aspx","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4480.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} {"post_id":"y680sc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Got a Letter from California Highway Patrol for \"Displaying Out-of-state Plates\" despite the fact that I am not a permanent resident there. I got a letter in the mail from the California Highway Patrol, and the letter states that my car is displaying out-of-state plates and I need to register the car right away. I have stayed and worked in California for a few months, but my primary residence is where the car is tagged, in New Jersey. I am actually currently in New Jersey now for a few months working on a job, as I am a freelance filmmaker, and I had to leave my car parked over in California (in a driveway) to take a plane back home. I am wondering how serious is this letter, and whether or not I should call to explain my case to them. If I have to, I could register the car in the state to avoid any more trouble, but I feel that it isn't fair that I have only stayed there for a short time and the CHP is tracking me.","c_root_id_A":"isq5x27","c_root_id_B":"isqhd17","created_at_utc_A":1666042746,"created_at_utc_B":1666047886,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Likely your plate has been recorded on various roads in CA over a good period of time, and that's tripped an automatic flag in some database somewhere. Residency is a matter of fact. Where your car spends its time driving is indicative (but not determinative) of where you reside, and where it should be registered. There are other factors. California DMV is relying on what is called a \"rebuttable presumption\" that you reside in California. Once it seems like you live there (e.g. there is some evidence that you do), they can act as though you are resident until you prove that you aren't. They could, for example, cite you for driving an unregistered vehicle, and then you'd have to defend. You would do that by providing more potent evidence that you actually reside somewhere else. So... the time has come for you to establish proof of your factual residency. Wherever it is. If it turns out to be California, then register your car there. If it turns out you do not, then based on the letter, there is a good chance you'll need to \"rebut\" that presumption some time - perhaps when you are driving around and patrol pulls you over, perhaps in court... so it would be wise keep that evidence handy. You might also want to consult an attorney in LA whether it's advisable to reply in writing to the letter, preemptively. Ounce of prevention kind of thing. Where you reside is not just about your car, but about taxes, insurance, health care, etc... be careful just registering an address for convenience.","human_ref_B":"Call them and explain the situation. If you just ignore it, they WILL send CAFTB after you. Ask me how I know.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5140.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} {"post_id":"y680sc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Got a Letter from California Highway Patrol for \"Displaying Out-of-state Plates\" despite the fact that I am not a permanent resident there. I got a letter in the mail from the California Highway Patrol, and the letter states that my car is displaying out-of-state plates and I need to register the car right away. I have stayed and worked in California for a few months, but my primary residence is where the car is tagged, in New Jersey. I am actually currently in New Jersey now for a few months working on a job, as I am a freelance filmmaker, and I had to leave my car parked over in California (in a driveway) to take a plane back home. I am wondering how serious is this letter, and whether or not I should call to explain my case to them. If I have to, I could register the car in the state to avoid any more trouble, but I feel that it isn't fair that I have only stayed there for a short time and the CHP is tracking me.","c_root_id_A":"isp4vi1","c_root_id_B":"isqhd17","created_at_utc_A":1666028149,"created_at_utc_B":1666047886,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"This may be helpful too:. https:\/\/www.chp.ca.gov\/PressReleases\/Pages\/CHP-REVAMPS-REGISTRATION-VIOLATORS-PROGRAM.aspx","human_ref_B":"Call them and explain the situation. If you just ignore it, they WILL send CAFTB after you. Ask me how I know.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19737.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} {"post_id":"y680sc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Got a Letter from California Highway Patrol for \"Displaying Out-of-state Plates\" despite the fact that I am not a permanent resident there. I got a letter in the mail from the California Highway Patrol, and the letter states that my car is displaying out-of-state plates and I need to register the car right away. I have stayed and worked in California for a few months, but my primary residence is where the car is tagged, in New Jersey. I am actually currently in New Jersey now for a few months working on a job, as I am a freelance filmmaker, and I had to leave my car parked over in California (in a driveway) to take a plane back home. I am wondering how serious is this letter, and whether or not I should call to explain my case to them. If I have to, I could register the car in the state to avoid any more trouble, but I feel that it isn't fair that I have only stayed there for a short time and the CHP is tracking me.","c_root_id_A":"isqn91x","c_root_id_B":"isq5x27","created_at_utc_A":1666050714,"created_at_utc_B":1666042746,"score_A":4,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I think the easiest way to figure this out is to make two phone calls. 1. Your insurance company. Ask them about your policy and your car being parked in California bc you were out there for work and had to fly back to the other office for a few months, you're planning on going back and getting it soon. Do you need to change your policy? I mean they would have the answer. You could even ask them about the notice you got, you might get some insight from them. 2nd call: whoever sent the letter!!! That is what I would of done to begin with! I remember when I was younger we stayed in Ohio for 4 months and my mother never changed her plates. I know each state is different. I believe in pa we have 60 days to change our liscence and car over. I might be off on that, if you move here from somewhere else.","human_ref_B":"Likely your plate has been recorded on various roads in CA over a good period of time, and that's tripped an automatic flag in some database somewhere. Residency is a matter of fact. Where your car spends its time driving is indicative (but not determinative) of where you reside, and where it should be registered. There are other factors. California DMV is relying on what is called a \"rebuttable presumption\" that you reside in California. Once it seems like you live there (e.g. there is some evidence that you do), they can act as though you are resident until you prove that you aren't. They could, for example, cite you for driving an unregistered vehicle, and then you'd have to defend. You would do that by providing more potent evidence that you actually reside somewhere else. So... the time has come for you to establish proof of your factual residency. Wherever it is. If it turns out to be California, then register your car there. If it turns out you do not, then based on the letter, there is a good chance you'll need to \"rebut\" that presumption some time - perhaps when you are driving around and patrol pulls you over, perhaps in court... so it would be wise keep that evidence handy. You might also want to consult an attorney in LA whether it's advisable to reply in writing to the letter, preemptively. Ounce of prevention kind of thing. Where you reside is not just about your car, but about taxes, insurance, health care, etc... be careful just registering an address for convenience.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7968.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} {"post_id":"y680sc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Got a Letter from California Highway Patrol for \"Displaying Out-of-state Plates\" despite the fact that I am not a permanent resident there. I got a letter in the mail from the California Highway Patrol, and the letter states that my car is displaying out-of-state plates and I need to register the car right away. I have stayed and worked in California for a few months, but my primary residence is where the car is tagged, in New Jersey. I am actually currently in New Jersey now for a few months working on a job, as I am a freelance filmmaker, and I had to leave my car parked over in California (in a driveway) to take a plane back home. I am wondering how serious is this letter, and whether or not I should call to explain my case to them. If I have to, I could register the car in the state to avoid any more trouble, but I feel that it isn't fair that I have only stayed there for a short time and the CHP is tracking me.","c_root_id_A":"isp4vi1","c_root_id_B":"isqn91x","created_at_utc_A":1666028149,"created_at_utc_B":1666050714,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"This may be helpful too:. https:\/\/www.chp.ca.gov\/PressReleases\/Pages\/CHP-REVAMPS-REGISTRATION-VIOLATORS-PROGRAM.aspx","human_ref_B":"I think the easiest way to figure this out is to make two phone calls. 1. Your insurance company. Ask them about your policy and your car being parked in California bc you were out there for work and had to fly back to the other office for a few months, you're planning on going back and getting it soon. Do you need to change your policy? I mean they would have the answer. You could even ask them about the notice you got, you might get some insight from them. 2nd call: whoever sent the letter!!! That is what I would of done to begin with! I remember when I was younger we stayed in Ohio for 4 months and my mother never changed her plates. I know each state is different. I believe in pa we have 60 days to change our liscence and car over. I might be off on that, if you move here from somewhere else.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22565.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} {"post_id":"wsuitn","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Possible animal neglect? Neighbor leaves dog outside 24\/7 in small crate. It cries and barks constantly. Looking for advice. For months on end now our neighbor has left their dog outside no matter the weather or time of day. A different neighbor contacted police roughly a month ago, but the police did nothing because the dog didn\u2019t look malnourished. Even though on the day they came out it was over 90\u00b0 and the dog had no water or food. They keep it in a small crate 24\/7 as well and it\u2019s a big dog. I\u2019ve seen it in their yard outside of the crate maybe 3 times the past 6 months, it constantly barks and cries for hours on end. I\u2019ve tried talking and even yelling at them to bring their dog inside and stop neglecting it. Nothing works. It\u2019s breaking my heart to see this dog suffering and after the police said they can\u2019t do anything I feel helpless. Is there anyone else we could call?","c_root_id_A":"il0jnoz","c_root_id_B":"il0gbkp","created_at_utc_A":1660960011,"created_at_utc_B":1660958438,"score_A":58,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"Call animal control if you have that option. Otherwise, contact a local rescue group. They may be able to do a wellness check on the dog, and try to talk the owner into surrendering it. Another good idea is to take pictures of the dog everyday with a date and time stamp. Right now, all the owners have to say is that the dog has only been in the crate for a short time. If the police don't have any proof that the dog has been in the crate for extended periods, they have to take the owner's word. If you have several dated and time stamped photos all showing the dog in the kennel, then the police or animal control should be able to do more.","human_ref_B":"Why don't you call the police for the non stop barking? That's a noise violation in any place I've ever lived","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1573.0,"score_ratio":2.2307692308} {"post_id":"6f20i1","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Buying a house via FHA 203K. Fannie Mae acting as owner\/seller, but refusing to sell half of the land that was already agreed on....? As the title says, I'm buying my first home which happens to be a foreclosed home that requires lots of repair to make it livable. As such, I was given the opportunity to use the FHA 203K program to finance both the sale of the house and its repair. The initial signed contract is for two lots that make up the combined 2 acres that are being sold. The seller\/owner, Fannie Mae, clearly knew this. We're now about 30 days from close and they just now said they're not allowed to sell two parcels, only one, under the FHA 203K... They refuse to combine the properties or sell the second lot \"for cheap\" assuming a successful sale of the primary. Further, the well is powered by our house\/lot, yet it now falls on the lot they don't want to give us. In the AZ Desert, we need water and now I'm afraid they'll say they can't sell the house to us without water. What can I do? It was advertised as two acres. I have a signed and agreed upon contract for the two lots with the FHA 203K clearly spelled out as the source of financing. How can they Just Now \"Learn\" that the program I'm using (FHA 203K) won't allow for this type of sale? Is this even legal? Any advise you many have would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.","c_root_id_A":"diex10k","c_root_id_B":"diev4r5","created_at_utc_A":1496514677,"created_at_utc_B":1496511941,"score_A":44,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"FHA doesnt allow it. this isnt a legal question. your lender sucks. the lender should have known this. your agent might have known this too....but agents arent lenders Im a realtor and former lender so i did. most realtors never were lenders. sidenote - FHA 203K LOANS suck bad. they often take 90 days to process.","human_ref_B":"what did your real estate agent say","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2736.0,"score_ratio":6.2857142857} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnxv3bw","c_root_id_B":"dnxz57k","created_at_utc_A":1507207603,"created_at_utc_B":1507212767,"score_A":434,"score_B":802,"human_ref_A":">We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today That is all you need to do - speak with your legal counsel, provide them with all the facts, follow their advice. This is a nuisance as of now, not a significant legal issue. The BOA should also have an indemnity clause that clarifies whether the services of the HOA legal counsel can be used to protect individual BOA board members in situations like this where they are being attacked over doing their jobs correctly. I am not a fan of HOA's and would never live in one, but I respect the right of others to choose to live in them. And I have no problem with contracts being enforced as long as everyone was properly informed and signed them - you look to be in the clear on this matter based on your side of the story.","human_ref_B":"Filing a false lien for the purpose of harassment in California carries a civil penalty of up to $5000 payable to the property owner. The court also has discretion to award court costs and attorney fees to the prevailing party in a lien dispute. Interestingly enough, this law was only passed in 2015, so Crazy Old Man picked a poor time to be a sov cit. http:\/\/www.leginfo.ca.gov\/pub\/15-16\/bill\/asm\/ab_1251-1300\/ab_1267_bill_20150813_chaptered.html","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5164.0,"score_ratio":1.8479262673} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnxz57k","c_root_id_B":"dnxwhjb","created_at_utc_A":1507212767,"created_at_utc_B":1507209527,"score_A":802,"score_B":122,"human_ref_A":"Filing a false lien for the purpose of harassment in California carries a civil penalty of up to $5000 payable to the property owner. The court also has discretion to award court costs and attorney fees to the prevailing party in a lien dispute. Interestingly enough, this law was only passed in 2015, so Crazy Old Man picked a poor time to be a sov cit. http:\/\/www.leginfo.ca.gov\/pub\/15-16\/bill\/asm\/ab_1251-1300\/ab_1267_bill_20150813_chaptered.html","human_ref_B":"I'm sure there are various organizations who'd love to know about this dude driving (?) around in a car with fake tags and registration as well. Getting the bogus liens struck shouldn't take much of a fight, as I'm guessing he's like most sov cit types and may as well have filed them in crayon on behalf of Modok. If you're this heavy of a HOA you should have funds set aside for a legal fight. The only way this guy wins is by outspending you. And he'd have to do it by a lot.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3240.0,"score_ratio":6.5737704918} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnxz57k","c_root_id_B":"dnxvc0d","created_at_utc_A":1507212767,"created_at_utc_B":1507207956,"score_A":802,"score_B":106,"human_ref_A":"Filing a false lien for the purpose of harassment in California carries a civil penalty of up to $5000 payable to the property owner. The court also has discretion to award court costs and attorney fees to the prevailing party in a lien dispute. Interestingly enough, this law was only passed in 2015, so Crazy Old Man picked a poor time to be a sov cit. http:\/\/www.leginfo.ca.gov\/pub\/15-16\/bill\/asm\/ab_1251-1300\/ab_1267_bill_20150813_chaptered.html","human_ref_B":"It shouldn't be too difficult to get the invalid liens removed. A bit of a pain, a bit of an expense, but you'll manage. You might talk to the lawyer about requesting an injunction against this guy filing any more liens. The HOA can sue him for attorney fees, too, but no guarantee that will succeed. And naturally, the HOA probably has the authority to put a lien on his house over any unpaid dues or assessments. As for the cost, you can raise the monthly fees if you need to.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4811.0,"score_ratio":7.5660377358} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnxwhjb","c_root_id_B":"dnxvc0d","created_at_utc_A":1507209527,"created_at_utc_B":1507207956,"score_A":122,"score_B":106,"human_ref_A":"I'm sure there are various organizations who'd love to know about this dude driving (?) around in a car with fake tags and registration as well. Getting the bogus liens struck shouldn't take much of a fight, as I'm guessing he's like most sov cit types and may as well have filed them in crayon on behalf of Modok. If you're this heavy of a HOA you should have funds set aside for a legal fight. The only way this guy wins is by outspending you. And he'd have to do it by a lot.","human_ref_B":"It shouldn't be too difficult to get the invalid liens removed. A bit of a pain, a bit of an expense, but you'll manage. You might talk to the lawyer about requesting an injunction against this guy filing any more liens. The HOA can sue him for attorney fees, too, but no guarantee that will succeed. And naturally, the HOA probably has the authority to put a lien on his house over any unpaid dues or assessments. As for the cost, you can raise the monthly fees if you need to.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1571.0,"score_ratio":1.1509433962} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnyd8ot","c_root_id_B":"dny4fwb","created_at_utc_A":1507227561,"created_at_utc_B":1507218490,"score_A":53,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"We'll need a MS Paint diagram of this comically large veggie garden.","human_ref_B":"FYI he probably doesn't have insurance either, they don't usually believe in that kind of thing. I don't think your community would enjoy getting in an accident with him. Might be worth a tip to the local PD so they can run his \"plates\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9071.0,"score_ratio":1.5142857143} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnyd8ot","c_root_id_B":"dny07r8","created_at_utc_A":1507227561,"created_at_utc_B":1507213989,"score_A":53,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"We'll need a MS Paint diagram of this comically large veggie garden.","human_ref_B":"If there isn't a rule or approval process for vegetable gardens, why would it be a problem to have a \"comically large\" one? I'm not saying the guy isn't crazy but it seems like the HOA is picking a fight here that they shouldn't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13572.0,"score_ratio":3.5333333333} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnyahkh","c_root_id_B":"dnyd8ot","created_at_utc_A":1507224735,"created_at_utc_B":1507227561,"score_A":14,"score_B":53,"human_ref_A":"Hopefully, you picked an experienced HOA lawyer. If so, you should take his\/her advice. Generally speaking, almost all HOA declarations allow you to bill back the costs of litigation. So if this guy is violating your rules or otherwise causing problems, you should be able to fine so long as you follow your Association's rules fairly and you are not in violation of other laws (some states are more\/less restrictive on what an HOA can do). Good luck.","human_ref_B":"We'll need a MS Paint diagram of this comically large veggie garden.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2826.0,"score_ratio":3.7857142857} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dny4fwb","c_root_id_B":"dny07r8","created_at_utc_A":1507218490,"created_at_utc_B":1507213989,"score_A":35,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"FYI he probably doesn't have insurance either, they don't usually believe in that kind of thing. I don't think your community would enjoy getting in an accident with him. Might be worth a tip to the local PD so they can run his \"plates\"","human_ref_B":"If there isn't a rule or approval process for vegetable gardens, why would it be a problem to have a \"comically large\" one? I'm not saying the guy isn't crazy but it seems like the HOA is picking a fight here that they shouldn't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4501.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnypnvq","c_root_id_B":"dny07r8","created_at_utc_A":1507240602,"created_at_utc_B":1507213989,"score_A":35,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"OK - I understand the HOA issues, the home values issues - etc. But reading between the lines I see someone that MAY be having personal issues. IS there some way to bring in a community moderator - someone that knows him? Have an actual person to person conversation? Everyone in this thread is taking an us\/HIM - approach. This needs conflict resolution- not layers and liens. I'll bet he does not trust any of this - I have a moderate HOA and the bylaws are 28 pages.... This whole thing seems so devoid of humanism, I would like to say I am shocked, but but not really. Everyone here is blaming the other person - with zero knowledge or attempt to know of their situation. He lost his wife, and bought a car... that is the evidence that this guy is 100% in the wrong?","human_ref_B":"If there isn't a rule or approval process for vegetable gardens, why would it be a problem to have a \"comically large\" one? I'm not saying the guy isn't crazy but it seems like the HOA is picking a fight here that they shouldn't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":26613.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnypnvq","c_root_id_B":"dnyahkh","created_at_utc_A":1507240602,"created_at_utc_B":1507224735,"score_A":35,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"OK - I understand the HOA issues, the home values issues - etc. But reading between the lines I see someone that MAY be having personal issues. IS there some way to bring in a community moderator - someone that knows him? Have an actual person to person conversation? Everyone in this thread is taking an us\/HIM - approach. This needs conflict resolution- not layers and liens. I'll bet he does not trust any of this - I have a moderate HOA and the bylaws are 28 pages.... This whole thing seems so devoid of humanism, I would like to say I am shocked, but but not really. Everyone here is blaming the other person - with zero knowledge or attempt to know of their situation. He lost his wife, and bought a car... that is the evidence that this guy is 100% in the wrong?","human_ref_B":"Hopefully, you picked an experienced HOA lawyer. If so, you should take his\/her advice. Generally speaking, almost all HOA declarations allow you to bill back the costs of litigation. So if this guy is violating your rules or otherwise causing problems, you should be able to fine so long as you follow your Association's rules fairly and you are not in violation of other laws (some states are more\/less restrictive on what an HOA can do). Good luck.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15867.0,"score_ratio":2.5} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dny07r8","c_root_id_B":"dnypyum","created_at_utc_A":1507213989,"created_at_utc_B":1507240952,"score_A":15,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"If there isn't a rule or approval process for vegetable gardens, why would it be a problem to have a \"comically large\" one? I'm not saying the guy isn't crazy but it seems like the HOA is picking a fight here that they shouldn't.","human_ref_B":"This is beautiful....a SovCit against a HOA. I wish I could be there to see this go down.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":26963.0,"score_ratio":1.8} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnyahkh","c_root_id_B":"dnypyum","created_at_utc_A":1507224735,"created_at_utc_B":1507240952,"score_A":14,"score_B":27,"human_ref_A":"Hopefully, you picked an experienced HOA lawyer. If so, you should take his\/her advice. Generally speaking, almost all HOA declarations allow you to bill back the costs of litigation. So if this guy is violating your rules or otherwise causing problems, you should be able to fine so long as you follow your Association's rules fairly and you are not in violation of other laws (some states are more\/less restrictive on what an HOA can do). Good luck.","human_ref_B":"This is beautiful....a SovCit against a HOA. I wish I could be there to see this go down.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16217.0,"score_ratio":1.9285714286} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnz1ej7","c_root_id_B":"dny07r8","created_at_utc_A":1507254627,"created_at_utc_B":1507213989,"score_A":17,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"I wonder if he's developing some kind of dementia triggered by the death of his wife.","human_ref_B":"If there isn't a rule or approval process for vegetable gardens, why would it be a problem to have a \"comically large\" one? I'm not saying the guy isn't crazy but it seems like the HOA is picking a fight here that they shouldn't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":40638.0,"score_ratio":1.1333333333} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnyahkh","c_root_id_B":"dnz1ej7","created_at_utc_A":1507224735,"created_at_utc_B":1507254627,"score_A":14,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Hopefully, you picked an experienced HOA lawyer. If so, you should take his\/her advice. Generally speaking, almost all HOA declarations allow you to bill back the costs of litigation. So if this guy is violating your rules or otherwise causing problems, you should be able to fine so long as you follow your Association's rules fairly and you are not in violation of other laws (some states are more\/less restrictive on what an HOA can do). Good luck.","human_ref_B":"I wonder if he's developing some kind of dementia triggered by the death of his wife.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29892.0,"score_ratio":1.2142857143} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnyqlbn","c_root_id_B":"dny07r8","created_at_utc_A":1507241685,"created_at_utc_B":1507213989,"score_A":18,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"No restriction on gardening can ever be morally justified, you deserve this guy.","human_ref_B":"If there isn't a rule or approval process for vegetable gardens, why would it be a problem to have a \"comically large\" one? I'm not saying the guy isn't crazy but it seems like the HOA is picking a fight here that they shouldn't.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27696.0,"score_ratio":1.2} {"post_id":"74fna4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"[California] - I wish I never joined the HOA Board. Sov Cit in our community has been a problem for a few years, now filing erroneous leans on HOA Board Members homes and community property. California Using a throwaway because I do not want this associated with my regular account here on reddit. Gonna try and keep this as concise as possible. HIGHLY restrictive HOA community. This is made plainly clear upon the pending purchase of the house. We require that the prospective buyer have a quick call with one of the five HOA board members to confirm that they know just how strict our HOA is, what the $450\/month HOA fee actually goes to, etc. this has been our SOP for almost 20 years. I know this sub has a lot of hate for HOA's, but we are fair, totally transparent with all operations, and rarely have issues. Our high HOA fee covers a lot of what most HOA's have problems with such as front yard maintenance, painting of all houses, minor exterior repairs, and roofing (other things like pool maintenance, security, common area upkeep, a basic cable package and high speed internet are also included in the HOA fee). The net result of this HOA's work = This is a highly desirable neighborhood to live in - Homes sell in mere days once they hit the market, and as stated above, there is not typically much in the way of issues\/violations in the neighborhood. People know well in advance what they are buying into. I hope that is clear at this point. Over the years we have continually had problems with a retired, somewhat well off older gentlemen (I think he's in his late 60's now). Mostly minor stuff like leaving his trash can out\/putting it out too early, trash\/junk in his backyard, parking overnight on the street, etc. His wife died at the beginning of the year and the issues we have had with him have increased exponentially over the course of this year to the point now where we have threatened to put a lien on his house if does not correct the myriad of violations. A little more backstory: He stopped paying his HOA dues back in May, he cited financial hardship. We know it is BS because over summer he purchased a $60K+ Suburban. Since we are a gated community, we require all vehicles parked in the community to have valid and up to date registration. He put a fake license plate on the new SUV - It has no state, it says \"Society of the Sojourner\" and he has FBI anti copyright warnings on the dash of his car. So he's in violation there. You are allowed to have veggie gardens in your backyard, no HOA approval required. He put a comically large veggie garden on his side yard, we wrote him a letter that he needs to get rid of it, or install a fence around the side yard that also encompases his backyard (needs approval for the fence, no biggie). Well he has now gone off the deepend, apparently we are now \"threatening his property and livelihood\" because we are not going to allow his huge garden without it being fenced in. In the past few weeks he has now filed liens against all community property as well as liens against all members of the HOA Board. We (the Board) is supposed to meet with the community lawyer today, but we are concerned about how much this whole thing is going to cost. Secondarily, one of the Board members is set to put his home on the market in the next couple of weeks and now has to deal with a fake lien. What questions do you think we ought to ask the lawyer? Should we let our mortgage companies or homeowners insurance companies know about this situation?","c_root_id_A":"dnyqlbn","c_root_id_B":"dnyahkh","created_at_utc_A":1507241685,"created_at_utc_B":1507224735,"score_A":18,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"No restriction on gardening can ever be morally justified, you deserve this guy.","human_ref_B":"Hopefully, you picked an experienced HOA lawyer. If so, you should take his\/her advice. Generally speaking, almost all HOA declarations allow you to bill back the costs of litigation. So if this guy is violating your rules or otherwise causing problems, you should be able to fine so long as you follow your Association's rules fairly and you are not in violation of other laws (some states are more\/less restrictive on what an HOA can do). Good luck.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16950.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h839grx","c_root_id_B":"h83a12k","created_at_utc_A":1628365756,"created_at_utc_B":1628366031,"score_A":205,"score_B":651,"human_ref_A":"Age of consent refers to sexual activity, not seeing one another socially. Provided they aren't sexually active and her parents don't object there is nothing illegal about this.","human_ref_B":"Depends on what \u201cdating\u201d means.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":275.0,"score_ratio":3.1756097561} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h83a12k","c_root_id_B":"h83a03k","created_at_utc_A":1628366031,"created_at_utc_B":1628366018,"score_A":651,"score_B":78,"human_ref_A":"Depends on what \u201cdating\u201d means.","human_ref_B":"In terms of legality, if they aren\u2019t having sex and her parents are okay with it then that\u2019s kind of the end of it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13.0,"score_ratio":8.3461538462} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h84p1vw","c_root_id_B":"h839grx","created_at_utc_A":1628392838,"created_at_utc_B":1628365756,"score_A":440,"score_B":205,"human_ref_A":"Some of these responses are bonkers. Yes, *technically* dating is not illegal, only sexual activity is. But that includes a wide spectrum of sexual activity. We really expect them to date and not grope each other for the next 4 years?? Of course not. If they engage in sex, if he texts her a naked picture, if she texts him one, if he asks her to text him one, if he texts her encouragement to engage in sexual activity, then he is committing a crime. She will not decide whether to prosecute, her parents will not decide, the government will. This is wildly dangerous for your brother, and at a minimum it may be valuable to at least inform him of the full legal risks. He may be mistakenly thinking that he is ok as long as they don\u2019t have piv sex.","human_ref_B":"Age of consent refers to sexual activity, not seeing one another socially. Provided they aren't sexually active and her parents don't object there is nothing illegal about this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27082.0,"score_ratio":2.1463414634} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h83a03k","c_root_id_B":"h84p1vw","created_at_utc_A":1628366018,"created_at_utc_B":1628392838,"score_A":78,"score_B":440,"human_ref_A":"In terms of legality, if they aren\u2019t having sex and her parents are okay with it then that\u2019s kind of the end of it.","human_ref_B":"Some of these responses are bonkers. Yes, *technically* dating is not illegal, only sexual activity is. But that includes a wide spectrum of sexual activity. We really expect them to date and not grope each other for the next 4 years?? Of course not. If they engage in sex, if he texts her a naked picture, if she texts him one, if he asks her to text him one, if he texts her encouragement to engage in sexual activity, then he is committing a crime. She will not decide whether to prosecute, her parents will not decide, the government will. This is wildly dangerous for your brother, and at a minimum it may be valuable to at least inform him of the full legal risks. He may be mistakenly thinking that he is ok as long as they don\u2019t have piv sex.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":26820.0,"score_ratio":5.641025641} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h83capd","c_root_id_B":"h84p1vw","created_at_utc_A":1628367148,"created_at_utc_B":1628392838,"score_A":9,"score_B":440,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely nothing you can do. Dating isnt illegal.","human_ref_B":"Some of these responses are bonkers. Yes, *technically* dating is not illegal, only sexual activity is. But that includes a wide spectrum of sexual activity. We really expect them to date and not grope each other for the next 4 years?? Of course not. If they engage in sex, if he texts her a naked picture, if she texts him one, if he asks her to text him one, if he texts her encouragement to engage in sexual activity, then he is committing a crime. She will not decide whether to prosecute, her parents will not decide, the government will. This is wildly dangerous for your brother, and at a minimum it may be valuable to at least inform him of the full legal risks. He may be mistakenly thinking that he is ok as long as they don\u2019t have piv sex.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":25690.0,"score_ratio":48.8888888889} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h839grx","c_root_id_B":"h85a7sf","created_at_utc_A":1628365756,"created_at_utc_B":1628407691,"score_A":205,"score_B":398,"human_ref_A":"Age of consent refers to sexual activity, not seeing one another socially. Provided they aren't sexually active and her parents don't object there is nothing illegal about this.","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer. The age of consent is 18 in California and there are no Romeo and Juliet laws. If your brother has sex with this girl, it\u2019s statutory rape.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":41935.0,"score_ratio":1.9414634146} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h85a7sf","c_root_id_B":"h84uzhm","created_at_utc_A":1628407691,"created_at_utc_B":1628396376,"score_A":398,"score_B":125,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer. The age of consent is 18 in California and there are no Romeo and Juliet laws. If your brother has sex with this girl, it\u2019s statutory rape.","human_ref_B":"She is not at the age of consent. She is not an underage woman. She is a child. He could be labeled a sexual predictor if he has a nude pic of her, say on his phone. I know someone that ruined their life this way. Even sexual conversations could be considered illegal. This would not happen in your age difference relationship. You both are able to consent. That is the difference.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11315.0,"score_ratio":3.184} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h83a03k","c_root_id_B":"h85a7sf","created_at_utc_A":1628366018,"created_at_utc_B":1628407691,"score_A":78,"score_B":398,"human_ref_A":"In terms of legality, if they aren\u2019t having sex and her parents are okay with it then that\u2019s kind of the end of it.","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer. The age of consent is 18 in California and there are no Romeo and Juliet laws. If your brother has sex with this girl, it\u2019s statutory rape.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":41673.0,"score_ratio":5.1025641026} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h85a7sf","c_root_id_B":"h84tyym","created_at_utc_A":1628407691,"created_at_utc_B":1628395750,"score_A":398,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer. The age of consent is 18 in California and there are no Romeo and Juliet laws. If your brother has sex with this girl, it\u2019s statutory rape.","human_ref_B":"Dating between those ages? Legal Sex between those ages? Illegal Moral stance on such an arrangement? Horrible. 18 year old dude shouldn't be dating a 14 year old. But that's a discussion for another day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11941.0,"score_ratio":11.3714285714} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h85a7sf","c_root_id_B":"h83capd","created_at_utc_A":1628407691,"created_at_utc_B":1628367148,"score_A":398,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer. The age of consent is 18 in California and there are no Romeo and Juliet laws. If your brother has sex with this girl, it\u2019s statutory rape.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely nothing you can do. Dating isnt illegal.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":40543.0,"score_ratio":44.2222222222} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h84uzhm","c_root_id_B":"h83a03k","created_at_utc_A":1628396376,"created_at_utc_B":1628366018,"score_A":125,"score_B":78,"human_ref_A":"She is not at the age of consent. She is not an underage woman. She is a child. He could be labeled a sexual predictor if he has a nude pic of her, say on his phone. I know someone that ruined their life this way. Even sexual conversations could be considered illegal. This would not happen in your age difference relationship. You both are able to consent. That is the difference.","human_ref_B":"In terms of legality, if they aren\u2019t having sex and her parents are okay with it then that\u2019s kind of the end of it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":30358.0,"score_ratio":1.6025641026} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h84uzhm","c_root_id_B":"h84tyym","created_at_utc_A":1628396376,"created_at_utc_B":1628395750,"score_A":125,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"She is not at the age of consent. She is not an underage woman. She is a child. He could be labeled a sexual predictor if he has a nude pic of her, say on his phone. I know someone that ruined their life this way. Even sexual conversations could be considered illegal. This would not happen in your age difference relationship. You both are able to consent. That is the difference.","human_ref_B":"Dating between those ages? Legal Sex between those ages? Illegal Moral stance on such an arrangement? Horrible. 18 year old dude shouldn't be dating a 14 year old. But that's a discussion for another day","labels":1,"seconds_difference":626.0,"score_ratio":3.5714285714} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h83capd","c_root_id_B":"h84uzhm","created_at_utc_A":1628367148,"created_at_utc_B":1628396376,"score_A":9,"score_B":125,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely nothing you can do. Dating isnt illegal.","human_ref_B":"She is not at the age of consent. She is not an underage woman. She is a child. He could be labeled a sexual predictor if he has a nude pic of her, say on his phone. I know someone that ruined their life this way. Even sexual conversations could be considered illegal. This would not happen in your age difference relationship. You both are able to consent. That is the difference.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29228.0,"score_ratio":13.8888888889} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h83capd","c_root_id_B":"h84tyym","created_at_utc_A":1628367148,"created_at_utc_B":1628395750,"score_A":9,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely nothing you can do. Dating isnt illegal.","human_ref_B":"Dating between those ages? Legal Sex between those ages? Illegal Moral stance on such an arrangement? Horrible. 18 year old dude shouldn't be dating a 14 year old. But that's a discussion for another day","labels":0,"seconds_difference":28602.0,"score_ratio":3.8888888889} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h85dcdl","c_root_id_B":"h83capd","created_at_utc_A":1628410382,"created_at_utc_B":1628367148,"score_A":30,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":">\"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours.\" This is alarming and wildly, disgustingly inappropriate. The fact that your parents support their of legal age son dating a child still in grade school should raise many a bell at the back of their heads. *In what world is it okay for an eighteen-year-old to engage with a fourteen-year-old in any way* ***other than*** *platonic?* **There is none.** ​ >I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28 This is irrelevant. You were eighteen, yes, but your SO was also of consenting age. His cry of you being a hypocrite does not apply as she was not a *child* when you met, but rather a grown adult. What you should do: I would try to contact her parents to see if they're aware she's dating your brother. I usually don't like to meddle in things like this but *so* many things could go wrong if they engage in \"relations\" and then it becomes a whole other issue. Are you in the Wrong?: No. You are completely in the right for calling out your brother for his actions as some could, if they found out about it, accuse your brother of pre\\*\\*tory behavior and accuse him of grooming the fourteen-year-old. Which, again, goes into a whole other ballpark. You are rightly grossed out, freaked out, at the fact that a legal adult is dating a child. Is there a difference in your relationship VS his?: ***Yes***. Your SO was twenty-six when you met, placing her as a legal, consenting adult.","human_ref_B":"Absolutely nothing you can do. Dating isnt illegal.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":43234.0,"score_ratio":3.3333333333} {"post_id":"ozzy9a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My 18 year old brother is dating a 14 year old. What do I do? I'm 20 and my brother is 18. He's currently dating a 14 year old in High School. No they didn't meet in High School they met 5 weeks ago in Church. The family just started attending. We live in California in the USA. I told my brother about it and he called me a hypocrite because my girlfriend is 28. We started dating when I was 18 and she was 26. I was already in college when we met. Long story short we were in the same college. He said \"you can't call me out, my relationship is a lot better than yours' ' I told my mom and my dad and they told me \"Don't judge your brother I support his relationship more than I do yours\". They are out alone really really late. What should I do? Am I truly in the wrong? Is there a difference between my relationship and my brothers?","c_root_id_A":"h83capd","c_root_id_B":"h85qtdx","created_at_utc_A":1628367148,"created_at_utc_B":1628422391,"score_A":9,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Absolutely nothing you can do. Dating isnt illegal.","human_ref_B":"It's not just the relative gaps in age, the difference in physical and emotional maturity between an 18yo and 26yo is significantly less than between an 18yo and a 14yo. There's a reason mid-teens are amongst our most *formative* years. Plus, like it or lump it, there is a male-female power imbalance. A 14yo male is not as vulnerable to an 18yo female as vice versa - physically, sexually or emotionally. Most 18yo males could easily overpower most 26yo women. There's a reason this 'smells bad'. Because it is. Plenty of people commenting are denying or minimising this, but I suspect they're either trying to defend their own preference in this scenario or they're being naive. Find any adult female who was in a relationship with an adult male when they were 14yo. Without exception, every one I've ever heard said something like \"I thought I was so grown up and that he thought I was so mature, but in hindsight I was a child playing grown-ups and he was taking advantage of me\". The men always seemed to be choosing younger girls so they'd have that extra unquestioned authority. It's a power move. You cant force anything, but I strongly urge you to maintain your objection and warn your brother about the legal consequences about stepping over the line. If you see or hear them together, keep watch on how they communicate and body language. For sexual signals, but even more for power signals. I suspect your brother likes to be in charge. Am very unimpressed with your parents, who seem to be using this as a chance to condemn your relationship rather than see what's happening with clarity. There is a stigma to younger men with older women that gets set aside when its older men with young women... or girls. And if it's a church community there may be a deference to tradition that tends to throw young women under the bus. Stick to your conscience. I'll say it again - there's a reason this smells bad to you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":55243.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222} {"post_id":"boyawt","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Constant Harassment from Neighbour Despite Legal Agreement [MD] In Annapolis, MD. ​ This is kind of a clusterfuck, but my roommates and I are exhausted, broke, scared and out of ideas. ​ I rent a room from my long time best friend and their husband. We live in a nice, mostly quiet neighbourhood, save for the guy right next door. A few months before I moved in, the neighbour was heard yelling at\/with his fiancee, and there was some physical violence. They called the cops, and the guy got really angry about it. No idea if anything came of it, save for him developing an instant grudge. (Turns out, the guy likes to hit the sauce. A lot- and is rather explosive because of it) ​ He harassed us over a month with insults, stalking me and intimidating me in his truck (he waited for two hours in his truck for me to get home so he could flare his brights at me and rev his engine when I tried to back into my parking spot) having a shouting match with my roommates where he insulted them, and all they were asking was for him to get off our lawn. We went to see a movie and came back to the yard near our house reeking of PISS. I went to my car to go to work and found a huge wad of spit on the windshield. We all bumped our car insurance to full coverage because we were worried he'd try to vandalise our cars, and to try to deter him. We ended up getting a camera for our front door and that actually made him EVEN ANGRIER because he started ranting to his fiancee about not being able to do anything due to \"being recorded.\" (The camera only pans fifty feet around the front door, so he had no reason to be mad unless he was wanting to do more shit on our property.) ​ We took him to court for a peace order, but our lawyers managed a settlement between us in which neither party is supposed to interact with the other, under penalty of fines and having to pay for the other's legal fees resulting from any violations. His lawyer suggested this because apparently, this guy has other peace orders, harassment cases and other such bs against him (and we're pretty sure he's the reason that the previous owners moved and sold the house at such a low, below market value price), and he's a contract worker, and he's trying to keep his clearance. We just want him to leave us ALONE so we agreed, hoping he'd stick to it. However, he's NOT. ​ He's finding constant loopholes in order to harass us. He yells stupid things in our direction when he's outside, or purposely kicks the bottom of the fence we share in order to rile up our dog, loudly calling us the \"Asshole neighbours\" to his friends and the like. He also decided to get a cable laid down, but instead of using the easement in the backyard, he had the contractor mark up our front yard and we barely avoided having our front yard and driveway torn up by telling the contractor we didn't consent to having our yard dug up. His anger over this led into a HUGE fight with his fiancee that went on until 2am where he yelled about us, about her, and there was more physical violence, and he even ended up locking her out of the house and causing so much commotion their alarm went off. They both yelled about US calling the cops on him\/for her, but we stayed out of it. We have audio recordings of it, but we don't think showing it to the cops will do anything about it, save for making him pissed off more at us. ​ His latest caper is getting the HOA involved by sending an email to the entire HOA with some passive aggressive bs that backfired on him, but the point of the message was to get AROUND the legal restrictions of no communicating with us because it was about some crap sign in front of his house that he keeps moving so that he is back to parking in front of our house again. *(We get the street is public, we can't stop him, but he's doing it on purpose, because his fiancee parks in front of their house, and they leave their driveway empty*) And on top of that, he's STILL occasionally bitching about \"being recorded\" so we're worried he still wants to do things to us and our property. ​ All of the stuff he's doing is indirect and is using loopholes, so we don't have any recourse on this, and we're frankly, tired and don't know what to do. We've spent over two thousand dollars on a lawyer, more security measures, and increasing our car insurance to cover potential vandalism. ​ Any advice is welcome- including recommendations for cameras I can install in my car because he's been slowly pushing his truck further and further in front of our yard, which is eventually going to have my car out of range of our front door camera, and it's making me paranoid that he's trying to push it out of range so he can do something to it. ​ **TL;DR:** Neighbour is an abusive, obsessive alcoholic who is finding loopholes to get around a legal agreement to harass us, and we just want him to leave us alone, but we have no proof of direct harassment, and after spending money on lawyers\/security measures, we can't afford a lawyer a second time to get him to stop. Advice on what to do is highly appreciated, we're wearing thin on patience and sanity, and tired of waiting to see what worse thing he might pull. All we want is this guy to LEAVE US ALONE but he WON'T STOP.","c_root_id_A":"enmy78n","c_root_id_B":"enmwh96","created_at_utc_A":1557938409,"created_at_utc_B":1557937801,"score_A":18,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Have you been calling the police every single time he harasses you?","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer Have you tried contacting your lawyer you used when trying to file for the restraining order? Although he uses \u201cloopholes\u201d it might still be seen as harassment and violating the agreement. Perhaps a second or third camera on different corners of your home could help deter him more. Whenever you witness physical violence or even just the screaming matches he has you can contact the police for a domestic disturbance.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":608.0,"score_ratio":1.2} {"post_id":"4no68r","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Illinois. Divorced father has installed spywear on daughter's phone. Mother has full custody. Conversations in the mother's home may have been recorded. This is for a friend of mine that doesn't reddit. Janie has full legal custody of her teenager. Ex has visitation. Ex has been boasting to daughter that he has a spy or mole that tells him everything that goes on in mothers home. Has had a lot of very specific information that even the mothers friends wouldn't know about conversations, relationships and movements. The mother took the phone to a \"spy shop\" and the phone has spywear installed that doesn't just show the father texts and let him listen in on the duaghter's conversations, but also to view and listen using the iphone while the daughter is not using it. Edit: the father owns the phone. What to do? Call the police? Is there a civil cause of action?","c_root_id_A":"d45pf1c","c_root_id_B":"d45rja1","created_at_utc_A":1465709106,"created_at_utc_B":1465715189,"score_A":25,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"Yes, call the police immediately. Dont talk about that with the phone around though","human_ref_B":"Some people are telling you how to \"fix\" the phone. Don't do it. The phone is evidence of a crime.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6083.0,"score_ratio":2.56} {"post_id":"94i4c6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[TX] I reported my dog stolen via microchip. The thief I named took the dog to a vet who did nothing My dog's microchip was scanned at the vet, which names me as the sole owner, and in the notes I had the person who took her listed as the thief. I was never contacted and this person still has my dog. Is this legal on the veterinarian's part?","c_root_id_A":"e3l9ejo","c_root_id_B":"e3l6ul7","created_at_utc_A":1533384884,"created_at_utc_B":1533380061,"score_A":1618,"score_B":228,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer but I am a veterinarian. The vet has no direct access to the microchip's records. The scanners vets use only reveal an ID number which is then called in to the company that owns the microchip, that company keeps your contact info and any alerts on file. It is common for vets to include a microchip number in the medical record which may be why your dog was scanned. While it is ideal for any new pet to a clinic to also have ownership status checked by calling the microchip company, this is not a legal requirement. Simply by scanning your dog, the vet would have no idea that she was stolen. Even if the vet called the microchip company and learned that your dog was stolen, they have no legal right to hold your dog; all they could do is call the cops (and if for some reason they didn't it is not a crime, though it may be an ethics violation).","human_ref_B":"How recently was the dog reported lost\/stolen? If you knew who took your dog all along, why weren't you able to get your dog back?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4823.0,"score_ratio":7.0964912281} {"post_id":"94i4c6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[TX] I reported my dog stolen via microchip. The thief I named took the dog to a vet who did nothing My dog's microchip was scanned at the vet, which names me as the sole owner, and in the notes I had the person who took her listed as the thief. I was never contacted and this person still has my dog. Is this legal on the veterinarian's part?","c_root_id_A":"e3leffu","c_root_id_B":"e3l6ul7","created_at_utc_A":1533391919,"created_at_utc_B":1533380061,"score_A":452,"score_B":228,"human_ref_A":"Why not file a civil lawsuit, and possibly push them to return the dog instead of paying for the cost of the dog? Might get things rolling if you\u2019re unable to get the police to do anything about getting the dog back. My neighbor many years ago had her 3 large parrots stolen. She could hear them screaming just a few doors down, and knew exactly who had them. It was torture for her and the birds were so scared. Mind you these were $4,000 a piece birds as well. The police wouldn\u2019t do anything. They were microchipped and she had tons of pictures of her with the birds to prove they were hers, as well as vet records. I\u2019m not saying it\u2019s the right thing to do, but she broke in to that house during the day and took her birds back! She didn\u2019t care, she said she\u2019d risk jail time to get them back. Nothing ever came from it, and she wasn\u2019t charged.","human_ref_B":"How recently was the dog reported lost\/stolen? If you knew who took your dog all along, why weren't you able to get your dog back?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11858.0,"score_ratio":1.9824561404} {"post_id":"94i4c6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[TX] I reported my dog stolen via microchip. The thief I named took the dog to a vet who did nothing My dog's microchip was scanned at the vet, which names me as the sole owner, and in the notes I had the person who took her listed as the thief. I was never contacted and this person still has my dog. Is this legal on the veterinarian's part?","c_root_id_A":"e3leffu","c_root_id_B":"e3laoy0","created_at_utc_A":1533391919,"created_at_utc_B":1533386957,"score_A":452,"score_B":215,"human_ref_A":"Why not file a civil lawsuit, and possibly push them to return the dog instead of paying for the cost of the dog? Might get things rolling if you\u2019re unable to get the police to do anything about getting the dog back. My neighbor many years ago had her 3 large parrots stolen. She could hear them screaming just a few doors down, and knew exactly who had them. It was torture for her and the birds were so scared. Mind you these were $4,000 a piece birds as well. The police wouldn\u2019t do anything. They were microchipped and she had tons of pictures of her with the birds to prove they were hers, as well as vet records. I\u2019m not saying it\u2019s the right thing to do, but she broke in to that house during the day and took her birds back! She didn\u2019t care, she said she\u2019d risk jail time to get them back. Nothing ever came from it, and she wasn\u2019t charged.","human_ref_B":"If you know who has stolen the dog why don't you call the police rather than expecting a vet to get involved?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4962.0,"score_ratio":2.1023255814} {"post_id":"94i4c6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[TX] I reported my dog stolen via microchip. The thief I named took the dog to a vet who did nothing My dog's microchip was scanned at the vet, which names me as the sole owner, and in the notes I had the person who took her listed as the thief. I was never contacted and this person still has my dog. Is this legal on the veterinarian's part?","c_root_id_A":"e3leffu","c_root_id_B":"e3lcte6","created_at_utc_A":1533391919,"created_at_utc_B":1533389920,"score_A":452,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"Why not file a civil lawsuit, and possibly push them to return the dog instead of paying for the cost of the dog? Might get things rolling if you\u2019re unable to get the police to do anything about getting the dog back. My neighbor many years ago had her 3 large parrots stolen. She could hear them screaming just a few doors down, and knew exactly who had them. It was torture for her and the birds were so scared. Mind you these were $4,000 a piece birds as well. The police wouldn\u2019t do anything. They were microchipped and she had tons of pictures of her with the birds to prove they were hers, as well as vet records. I\u2019m not saying it\u2019s the right thing to do, but she broke in to that house during the day and took her birds back! She didn\u2019t care, she said she\u2019d risk jail time to get them back. Nothing ever came from it, and she wasn\u2019t charged.","human_ref_B":"What did the police say?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1999.0,"score_ratio":14.5806451613} {"post_id":"94i4c6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[TX] I reported my dog stolen via microchip. The thief I named took the dog to a vet who did nothing My dog's microchip was scanned at the vet, which names me as the sole owner, and in the notes I had the person who took her listed as the thief. I was never contacted and this person still has my dog. Is this legal on the veterinarian's part?","c_root_id_A":"e3lt0zn","c_root_id_B":"e3l6ul7","created_at_utc_A":1533407044,"created_at_utc_B":1533380061,"score_A":288,"score_B":228,"human_ref_A":"OP, I went to your history because I was confused by comments that had info that it looked like you did not provide looking to see if I missed a comment. Are you giving the whole story here? From other posts dating a year back it looks like you have a complicated situation that you might be oversimplifying. You mention a Dog you and someone else owned and then a post saying you went to civil court for property unspecified but judge gave property to defendant and a money judgement that defendant won't\/can't pay. From your post here about the vet and saying you know the name. Your recourse would be to sue them in civil court for the dog back but if that was the property case which you won monetary and not custody then you don't have recourse but possible further court actions like liens. If the defendant does not pay it does not allow you to turn around the court property order by claiming the dog stolen because they have yet to pay you. What is the whole story? I have an inkling that all three posts you made over the year are connected which means in this question you are asking you are not giving us everything.","human_ref_B":"How recently was the dog reported lost\/stolen? If you knew who took your dog all along, why weren't you able to get your dog back?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":26983.0,"score_ratio":1.2631578947} {"post_id":"94i4c6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[TX] I reported my dog stolen via microchip. The thief I named took the dog to a vet who did nothing My dog's microchip was scanned at the vet, which names me as the sole owner, and in the notes I had the person who took her listed as the thief. I was never contacted and this person still has my dog. Is this legal on the veterinarian's part?","c_root_id_A":"e3laoy0","c_root_id_B":"e3lt0zn","created_at_utc_A":1533386957,"created_at_utc_B":1533407044,"score_A":215,"score_B":288,"human_ref_A":"If you know who has stolen the dog why don't you call the police rather than expecting a vet to get involved?","human_ref_B":"OP, I went to your history because I was confused by comments that had info that it looked like you did not provide looking to see if I missed a comment. Are you giving the whole story here? From other posts dating a year back it looks like you have a complicated situation that you might be oversimplifying. You mention a Dog you and someone else owned and then a post saying you went to civil court for property unspecified but judge gave property to defendant and a money judgement that defendant won't\/can't pay. From your post here about the vet and saying you know the name. Your recourse would be to sue them in civil court for the dog back but if that was the property case which you won monetary and not custody then you don't have recourse but possible further court actions like liens. If the defendant does not pay it does not allow you to turn around the court property order by claiming the dog stolen because they have yet to pay you. What is the whole story? I have an inkling that all three posts you made over the year are connected which means in this question you are asking you are not giving us everything.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":20087.0,"score_ratio":1.3395348837} {"post_id":"94i4c6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[TX] I reported my dog stolen via microchip. The thief I named took the dog to a vet who did nothing My dog's microchip was scanned at the vet, which names me as the sole owner, and in the notes I had the person who took her listed as the thief. I was never contacted and this person still has my dog. Is this legal on the veterinarian's part?","c_root_id_A":"e3lt0zn","c_root_id_B":"e3lcte6","created_at_utc_A":1533407044,"created_at_utc_B":1533389920,"score_A":288,"score_B":31,"human_ref_A":"OP, I went to your history because I was confused by comments that had info that it looked like you did not provide looking to see if I missed a comment. Are you giving the whole story here? From other posts dating a year back it looks like you have a complicated situation that you might be oversimplifying. You mention a Dog you and someone else owned and then a post saying you went to civil court for property unspecified but judge gave property to defendant and a money judgement that defendant won't\/can't pay. From your post here about the vet and saying you know the name. Your recourse would be to sue them in civil court for the dog back but if that was the property case which you won monetary and not custody then you don't have recourse but possible further court actions like liens. If the defendant does not pay it does not allow you to turn around the court property order by claiming the dog stolen because they have yet to pay you. What is the whole story? I have an inkling that all three posts you made over the year are connected which means in this question you are asking you are not giving us everything.","human_ref_B":"What did the police say?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17124.0,"score_ratio":9.2903225806} {"post_id":"94i4c6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[TX] I reported my dog stolen via microchip. The thief I named took the dog to a vet who did nothing My dog's microchip was scanned at the vet, which names me as the sole owner, and in the notes I had the person who took her listed as the thief. I was never contacted and this person still has my dog. Is this legal on the veterinarian's part?","c_root_id_A":"e3lmhd7","c_root_id_B":"e3lt0zn","created_at_utc_A":1533400510,"created_at_utc_B":1533407044,"score_A":22,"score_B":288,"human_ref_A":"The vet didn\u2019t do anything illegal. In fact, Texas has [medical privacy laws for animals] (http:\/\/www.veterinary.texas.gov\/documents\/vetact\/VLA_2013.pdf) that apparently function in a way so that once that [veterinarian treats the animal they establish a medical relationship with the dog thief and would then have to report that the dog might be stolen to the their and not to you.] (http:\/\/veterinarynews.dvm360.com\/veterinarians-wrestle-with-legal-ethical-concerns-over-microchips-and-ownership) And to add to the people telling you to call the police, if you already did that and nothing happened you should see if you have any SPCA officers in your area, because they deal almost exclusively with animals and would be better suited to help or at least put you on the right path. Edit: After writing this and talking back and forth with u\/NermalKitty , I realized there may actually be something illegal that veterinarian did. If you found out that the dog was taken there for care from the vet and not from some third party, they could actually be violating privacy laws in Texas, although in favor of the dog thief and not in your favor.","human_ref_B":"OP, I went to your history because I was confused by comments that had info that it looked like you did not provide looking to see if I missed a comment. Are you giving the whole story here? From other posts dating a year back it looks like you have a complicated situation that you might be oversimplifying. You mention a Dog you and someone else owned and then a post saying you went to civil court for property unspecified but judge gave property to defendant and a money judgement that defendant won't\/can't pay. From your post here about the vet and saying you know the name. Your recourse would be to sue them in civil court for the dog back but if that was the property case which you won monetary and not custody then you don't have recourse but possible further court actions like liens. If the defendant does not pay it does not allow you to turn around the court property order by claiming the dog stolen because they have yet to pay you. What is the whole story? I have an inkling that all three posts you made over the year are connected which means in this question you are asking you are not giving us everything.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6534.0,"score_ratio":13.0909090909} {"post_id":"94i4c6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[TX] I reported my dog stolen via microchip. The thief I named took the dog to a vet who did nothing My dog's microchip was scanned at the vet, which names me as the sole owner, and in the notes I had the person who took her listed as the thief. I was never contacted and this person still has my dog. Is this legal on the veterinarian's part?","c_root_id_A":"e3lt0zn","c_root_id_B":"e3ljtw0","created_at_utc_A":1533407044,"created_at_utc_B":1533397827,"score_A":288,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"OP, I went to your history because I was confused by comments that had info that it looked like you did not provide looking to see if I missed a comment. Are you giving the whole story here? From other posts dating a year back it looks like you have a complicated situation that you might be oversimplifying. You mention a Dog you and someone else owned and then a post saying you went to civil court for property unspecified but judge gave property to defendant and a money judgement that defendant won't\/can't pay. From your post here about the vet and saying you know the name. Your recourse would be to sue them in civil court for the dog back but if that was the property case which you won monetary and not custody then you don't have recourse but possible further court actions like liens. If the defendant does not pay it does not allow you to turn around the court property order by claiming the dog stolen because they have yet to pay you. What is the whole story? I have an inkling that all three posts you made over the year are connected which means in this question you are asking you are not giving us everything.","human_ref_B":"Used to work at a corporate vet chain with a legal department. Except for like two counties out of the entire US, legally, a microchip is not an indication of ownership. We could tell the person with the pet that the owner was looking for the pet, but the person with the pet had to be the one to set up contact with the owner and give the pet back (if they wanted), or it could put the office in legal trouble. I am sorry.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9217.0,"score_ratio":16.0} {"post_id":"94i4c6","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[TX] I reported my dog stolen via microchip. The thief I named took the dog to a vet who did nothing My dog's microchip was scanned at the vet, which names me as the sole owner, and in the notes I had the person who took her listed as the thief. I was never contacted and this person still has my dog. Is this legal on the veterinarian's part?","c_root_id_A":"e3ljtw0","c_root_id_B":"e3lmhd7","created_at_utc_A":1533397827,"created_at_utc_B":1533400510,"score_A":18,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"Used to work at a corporate vet chain with a legal department. Except for like two counties out of the entire US, legally, a microchip is not an indication of ownership. We could tell the person with the pet that the owner was looking for the pet, but the person with the pet had to be the one to set up contact with the owner and give the pet back (if they wanted), or it could put the office in legal trouble. I am sorry.","human_ref_B":"The vet didn\u2019t do anything illegal. In fact, Texas has [medical privacy laws for animals] (http:\/\/www.veterinary.texas.gov\/documents\/vetact\/VLA_2013.pdf) that apparently function in a way so that once that [veterinarian treats the animal they establish a medical relationship with the dog thief and would then have to report that the dog might be stolen to the their and not to you.] (http:\/\/veterinarynews.dvm360.com\/veterinarians-wrestle-with-legal-ethical-concerns-over-microchips-and-ownership) And to add to the people telling you to call the police, if you already did that and nothing happened you should see if you have any SPCA officers in your area, because they deal almost exclusively with animals and would be better suited to help or at least put you on the right path. Edit: After writing this and talking back and forth with u\/NermalKitty , I realized there may actually be something illegal that veterinarian did. If you found out that the dog was taken there for care from the vet and not from some third party, they could actually be violating privacy laws in Texas, although in favor of the dog thief and not in your favor.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2683.0,"score_ratio":1.2222222222} {"post_id":"43bpax","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I'm a high school teacher who was attacked by an autistic student in my class after intervening as he attacked another student. Questions about liability and worker's comp. I teach high school choir in Kentucky. We have an arrangement at my school where the FMD (Functionally and Mentally Disabled) students visit my classes to listen and sometimes sing with us. They always have student helpers with them and occasionally have adult Classroom Aids as well. Today, out of seemingly nowhere, one of the FMD students walked up to a girl in my class and grabbed her hair and began to slam her head down (repeatedly) on the metal bars next to her seat. I was working with other students at the time so the first noise I heard that alerted me was the sound of her head hitting the bar. I jumped up at the sound and rushed to free her from his grasp while yelling to the other students to call the office. Once I got him to let go of her hair, he focused his rage on me. He began clawing at my face, so I tried to protect my hands, which got some pretty deep gashes. I bent my head to protect my face and hands and he grabbed my hair and slammed me to the ground. Side note, this kid is easily 200lbs and I'm a 5'4\", petite female. He continued to rip out my hair (I realized later that my scalp was bleeding) while stomping on my legs and chest. At this point, some of the students were able to get him off me and they rushed him out of the room while he continued to scratch and yell at them. At this point I was dazed and shaken, not to mention injured (though at the time I felt nothing as the adrenaline was in full gear). I knew I couldn't leave my class unattended so I called down to the office and told them we had an incident and we needed an administrator asap. Once everything got settled, I learned that the student who attacked me had a history of this kind of behavior and was not even cleared to leave the FMD room. He has been attending my class for WEEKS and I had no idea he had this issue. Additionally he was with two young, female students who had not been properly trained to deal with him. I have filled out worker's comp. paperwork and student incident reports, but I'm just not really sure what my legal options are here. Does workman's comp cover my medical bills relating to this incident? My injuries aren't extensive, but my ankle sustained a pretty good kick (it's very swollen and tender) and I believe I have a bruise rib (hurts to breathe deeply). Additionally, I want to make sure there's no liability on my end for any of the students involved. I acted in accordance with my districts policies, but I'm worried that parents of the students who were attacked (4 total) will be angry about the fact that I didn't stop the altercation before it occurred. Finally, what liability is the school facing in this situation? I have no desire to sue (I'm not tenured), but if I were a parent, I would be furious that this student was put in a situation that could result in such an attack. TL;DR I was attacked by an autistic student while defending another student. I did not fight back and was injured and the situation was pretty traumatic for all involved. What are my legal options? What kind of legal situation is my school facing? Am I at risk of being sued due to my role in the incident?","c_root_id_A":"czhct5u","c_root_id_B":"czh58ui","created_at_utc_A":1454136942,"created_at_utc_B":1454119484,"score_A":15,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I would contact your union rep asap, if not a union, state teaching rep. CYA. Hate to say it, this could get messy. Who was responsible at the time for the child? Student Aides dont count. A clerical error on another teachers part is a semi valid excuse. Was there ever any documentation to you that this child was unstable? EVER? This sounds like a bad lawsuit in the making. Was the first girl hurt as well? Ambulances? Once again, CYA! You need legal representation first thing, and don't sign anything the school asks you to sign. On a side note, you may be tenured very soon. FYI, my ex was involved in a similar situation, with a mentally disabled student beating another student. This all happened during a school wide intramural, and she was an escort. It came down to the escort that was actually in charge of this student. IE:the last documented person that knew he was dangerous. BTW, she no longer teaches. As well, I really hope you are alright. I know this was traumatizing, and hope you can put it behind you. Take some time for yourself and recoup, you've been through a bunch. Be good to you, first! *edit=words and punc","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer but have worked for workers comp doctors (in a different state) who had schools as clients and several teachers that were assaulted were seen under wc.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17458.0,"score_ratio":5.0} {"post_id":"43bpax","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I'm a high school teacher who was attacked by an autistic student in my class after intervening as he attacked another student. Questions about liability and worker's comp. I teach high school choir in Kentucky. We have an arrangement at my school where the FMD (Functionally and Mentally Disabled) students visit my classes to listen and sometimes sing with us. They always have student helpers with them and occasionally have adult Classroom Aids as well. Today, out of seemingly nowhere, one of the FMD students walked up to a girl in my class and grabbed her hair and began to slam her head down (repeatedly) on the metal bars next to her seat. I was working with other students at the time so the first noise I heard that alerted me was the sound of her head hitting the bar. I jumped up at the sound and rushed to free her from his grasp while yelling to the other students to call the office. Once I got him to let go of her hair, he focused his rage on me. He began clawing at my face, so I tried to protect my hands, which got some pretty deep gashes. I bent my head to protect my face and hands and he grabbed my hair and slammed me to the ground. Side note, this kid is easily 200lbs and I'm a 5'4\", petite female. He continued to rip out my hair (I realized later that my scalp was bleeding) while stomping on my legs and chest. At this point, some of the students were able to get him off me and they rushed him out of the room while he continued to scratch and yell at them. At this point I was dazed and shaken, not to mention injured (though at the time I felt nothing as the adrenaline was in full gear). I knew I couldn't leave my class unattended so I called down to the office and told them we had an incident and we needed an administrator asap. Once everything got settled, I learned that the student who attacked me had a history of this kind of behavior and was not even cleared to leave the FMD room. He has been attending my class for WEEKS and I had no idea he had this issue. Additionally he was with two young, female students who had not been properly trained to deal with him. I have filled out worker's comp. paperwork and student incident reports, but I'm just not really sure what my legal options are here. Does workman's comp cover my medical bills relating to this incident? My injuries aren't extensive, but my ankle sustained a pretty good kick (it's very swollen and tender) and I believe I have a bruise rib (hurts to breathe deeply). Additionally, I want to make sure there's no liability on my end for any of the students involved. I acted in accordance with my districts policies, but I'm worried that parents of the students who were attacked (4 total) will be angry about the fact that I didn't stop the altercation before it occurred. Finally, what liability is the school facing in this situation? I have no desire to sue (I'm not tenured), but if I were a parent, I would be furious that this student was put in a situation that could result in such an attack. TL;DR I was attacked by an autistic student while defending another student. I did not fight back and was injured and the situation was pretty traumatic for all involved. What are my legal options? What kind of legal situation is my school facing? Am I at risk of being sued due to my role in the incident?","c_root_id_A":"czh58ui","c_root_id_B":"czhroyl","created_at_utc_A":1454119484,"created_at_utc_B":1454179314,"score_A":3,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I am not a lawyer but have worked for workers comp doctors (in a different state) who had schools as clients and several teachers that were assaulted were seen under wc.","human_ref_B":"I'm a teacher in another state. In my school we had a similar situation where a student attacking another student was pulled off by a nearby teacher. The teacher lost three teeth in addition to other minor injuries. WC did not cover his injuries because our district doesn't allow classroom teachers to stop fights or intervene between students (that is not considered an \"instructional role\" so to stop a fight is acting outside our job as a classroom teacher). He was sued by the attacking kid's parents (for pulling him off the kid...it was later dismissed) and the school was sued by the victim's parents (they settled). He was placed on administrative leave for 6 months while it was sorted. He did not lose his license but he ended up with a professional citation. Workman's comp didn't cover the dental work or medical bills. You should speak with a union representative, be careful about what you sign and document everything for yourself while it is fresh before you forget. Then get a legal consult. Also, get checked out medically.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":59830.0,"score_ratio":2.3333333333} {"post_id":"orcsta","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Trying to leave husband but he won't let me take kids Attempting to divorce husband, but he refuses to agree to any terms including custody of our 2 kids, 3y\/o and 4y\/o. Live in MN, living together still in house we own, married 5 years. I desperately need to leave the current living situation, he has become increasingly verbally, emotionally and mentally abusive. He refuses to sell house, as we would have to pay 25% capital gains tax as we have lived here less than 2 years. I want to move out and rent something but he says he won't pay the mortgage payments and will then let house go into foreclosure. I'd go stay with family but he won't agree to let me take kids with and has physically blocked me from leaving with them. What legal options do I have with regards to securing a place to live while still having a mortgage with him? Verbal custody agreement was 50\/50 but I fear he won't let me have my 50% if I do leave. What do I need to have in place so he is forced to commit to custody agreement?","c_root_id_A":"h6hdsg1","c_root_id_B":"h6hfgwo","created_at_utc_A":1627227236,"created_at_utc_B":1627228081,"score_A":26,"score_B":50,"human_ref_A":"First thing first, you need to get to a safe place. Lawyers and legal stuff can come after you are away. Depending on the area (northern cities is the Refuge\/Family Pathways and I know there is a large group out of Duluth) you need to call a shelter and ask for assistance. The most dangerous time for any victim of abuse is when they leave. They have resources to get you the help you need. Take and hide important paperwork such as birth certificates, social security cards and photos in a safe, far away location before you leave. Finally, keep an ongoing log of everything and I mean EVERYTHING. Text conversation, emails, what he says or threatens with dates and times. Save that log in triplicate so it can't be destroyed. Do not let your anger get the best of you. Be civil at all times and insist that all communication is in writing. Courts love paper trails and while it may take awhile to sort out you will thank yourself later for the obsessive note taking. After that let a lawyer handle it. Family law is way too complicated to cover well on Reddit.","human_ref_B":"If you are still married, you can simply take the children and go. The reverse is also true. This is why you need your own attorney. Don\u2019t take any advice from your husband. Find someone who is completely on your side.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":845.0,"score_ratio":1.9230769231} {"post_id":"orcsta","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"Trying to leave husband but he won't let me take kids Attempting to divorce husband, but he refuses to agree to any terms including custody of our 2 kids, 3y\/o and 4y\/o. Live in MN, living together still in house we own, married 5 years. I desperately need to leave the current living situation, he has become increasingly verbally, emotionally and mentally abusive. He refuses to sell house, as we would have to pay 25% capital gains tax as we have lived here less than 2 years. I want to move out and rent something but he says he won't pay the mortgage payments and will then let house go into foreclosure. I'd go stay with family but he won't agree to let me take kids with and has physically blocked me from leaving with them. What legal options do I have with regards to securing a place to live while still having a mortgage with him? Verbal custody agreement was 50\/50 but I fear he won't let me have my 50% if I do leave. What do I need to have in place so he is forced to commit to custody agreement?","c_root_id_A":"h6hvbce","c_root_id_B":"h6ibyqi","created_at_utc_A":1627235716,"created_at_utc_B":1627243783,"score_A":6,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"If you're married, you're allowed to take your children whenever and wherever you want. Find a safe place like a parent's or a friend's to stay at, wait until he's asleep (because you've said he's physically blocking you) and pick up the kids and leave. For a longer term solution you'll need to file for divorce. Legal divorce proceedings will force him to come to the table and negotiate custody, sale of the house, etc.","human_ref_B":"thehotline.org Domestic violence website that can help you figure things out. ETA this is in the US. If you are somewhere else, do a search and you should be able to find similar help.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8067.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84iwzr","c_root_id_B":"h84oo5u","created_at_utc_A":1628389322,"created_at_utc_B":1628392617,"score_A":179,"score_B":293,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but I work customer service for a bank - call yours and ask if you can get help disputing the charge since you did not get the service you paid for. Alternatively, if you paid for the tickets with your credit card company, call them. It may take a while, but that is another avenue you can explore to get your money back.","human_ref_B":"Did you book with a credit card that has travel insurance? Many do, especially from chase. Usually cover 500 a day for lodging\/delays.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3295.0,"score_ratio":1.6368715084} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84oo5u","c_root_id_B":"h842vbb","created_at_utc_A":1628392617,"created_at_utc_B":1628380555,"score_A":293,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"Did you book with a credit card that has travel insurance? Many do, especially from chase. Usually cover 500 a day for lodging\/delays.","human_ref_B":"Unlikely you will have any success. Look up Spirit's terms of service. IMO, best you can hope for is a refund of the return portion of your ticket. Good luck","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12062.0,"score_ratio":3.0206185567} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84mnky","c_root_id_B":"h84oo5u","created_at_utc_A":1628391446,"created_at_utc_B":1628392617,"score_A":73,"score_B":293,"human_ref_A":"Also this had nothing to do with overbooking \u2014 overbooking means a plane is ready for departure and that there are too many seats sold. Spirit planes are out of position. \u2014 crew is out of position. You will not be able to credibly claim overbooking. There is understaffing on the service contractors \u2014 spirit takes the lowest bid for ground services (loading. Etc) so the contractor pays minimum wage for difficult work \u2014- so people walk out of the job. Those low fares you paid mean that the staff is barebones \u2014 as is their infrastructure \u2014- and you are fine with that until you need service and then wonder why people do not want to work for spirit contractors \u2014 and why spirit has substandard internal infrastructure (aka IT).","human_ref_B":"Did you book with a credit card that has travel insurance? Many do, especially from chase. Usually cover 500 a day for lodging\/delays.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1171.0,"score_ratio":4.0136986301} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84ih5y","c_root_id_B":"h84oo5u","created_at_utc_A":1628389083,"created_at_utc_B":1628392617,"score_A":43,"score_B":293,"human_ref_A":"As others have said, you basically take this risk on when you book with certain airlines. And your ticket contains the terms of service - don't like them? Don't buy their ticket. So practically, no there is no use taking Spirit to court for this. I'm sorry you went through this, but you'll sleep a lot easier letting the money go.","human_ref_B":"Did you book with a credit card that has travel insurance? Many do, especially from chase. Usually cover 500 a day for lodging\/delays.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3534.0,"score_ratio":6.8139534884} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84hjaq","c_root_id_B":"h84oo5u","created_at_utc_A":1628388561,"created_at_utc_B":1628392617,"score_A":33,"score_B":293,"human_ref_A":"Any travel insurance? The airline COC limits consequential damage \u2014 ie extra hotels etc This is one of the risks with ULCC \u2014 there are cheaper because of what they do not have \u2014 customer service, interline agreements","human_ref_B":"Did you book with a credit card that has travel insurance? Many do, especially from chase. Usually cover 500 a day for lodging\/delays.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4056.0,"score_ratio":8.8787878788} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84oo5u","c_root_id_B":"h84oe5l","created_at_utc_A":1628392617,"created_at_utc_B":1628392453,"score_A":293,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Did you book with a credit card that has travel insurance? Many do, especially from chase. Usually cover 500 a day for lodging\/delays.","human_ref_B":"If you can't get ahold of a customer service agent via telephone, write a letter and mail it certified. See if that produces a result.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":164.0,"score_ratio":29.3} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84iwzr","c_root_id_B":"h842vbb","created_at_utc_A":1628389322,"created_at_utc_B":1628380555,"score_A":179,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but I work customer service for a bank - call yours and ask if you can get help disputing the charge since you did not get the service you paid for. Alternatively, if you paid for the tickets with your credit card company, call them. It may take a while, but that is another avenue you can explore to get your money back.","human_ref_B":"Unlikely you will have any success. Look up Spirit's terms of service. IMO, best you can hope for is a refund of the return portion of your ticket. Good luck","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8767.0,"score_ratio":1.8453608247} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84iwzr","c_root_id_B":"h84ih5y","created_at_utc_A":1628389322,"created_at_utc_B":1628389083,"score_A":179,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but I work customer service for a bank - call yours and ask if you can get help disputing the charge since you did not get the service you paid for. Alternatively, if you paid for the tickets with your credit card company, call them. It may take a while, but that is another avenue you can explore to get your money back.","human_ref_B":"As others have said, you basically take this risk on when you book with certain airlines. And your ticket contains the terms of service - don't like them? Don't buy their ticket. So practically, no there is no use taking Spirit to court for this. I'm sorry you went through this, but you'll sleep a lot easier letting the money go.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":239.0,"score_ratio":4.1627906977} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84iwzr","c_root_id_B":"h84hjaq","created_at_utc_A":1628389322,"created_at_utc_B":1628388561,"score_A":179,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but I work customer service for a bank - call yours and ask if you can get help disputing the charge since you did not get the service you paid for. Alternatively, if you paid for the tickets with your credit card company, call them. It may take a while, but that is another avenue you can explore to get your money back.","human_ref_B":"Any travel insurance? The airline COC limits consequential damage \u2014 ie extra hotels etc This is one of the risks with ULCC \u2014 there are cheaper because of what they do not have \u2014 customer service, interline agreements","labels":1,"seconds_difference":761.0,"score_ratio":5.4242424242} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84ih5y","c_root_id_B":"h84mnky","created_at_utc_A":1628389083,"created_at_utc_B":1628391446,"score_A":43,"score_B":73,"human_ref_A":"As others have said, you basically take this risk on when you book with certain airlines. And your ticket contains the terms of service - don't like them? Don't buy their ticket. So practically, no there is no use taking Spirit to court for this. I'm sorry you went through this, but you'll sleep a lot easier letting the money go.","human_ref_B":"Also this had nothing to do with overbooking \u2014 overbooking means a plane is ready for departure and that there are too many seats sold. Spirit planes are out of position. \u2014 crew is out of position. You will not be able to credibly claim overbooking. There is understaffing on the service contractors \u2014 spirit takes the lowest bid for ground services (loading. Etc) so the contractor pays minimum wage for difficult work \u2014- so people walk out of the job. Those low fares you paid mean that the staff is barebones \u2014 as is their infrastructure \u2014- and you are fine with that until you need service and then wonder why people do not want to work for spirit contractors \u2014 and why spirit has substandard internal infrastructure (aka IT).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2363.0,"score_ratio":1.6976744186} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84hjaq","c_root_id_B":"h84mnky","created_at_utc_A":1628388561,"created_at_utc_B":1628391446,"score_A":33,"score_B":73,"human_ref_A":"Any travel insurance? The airline COC limits consequential damage \u2014 ie extra hotels etc This is one of the risks with ULCC \u2014 there are cheaper because of what they do not have \u2014 customer service, interline agreements","human_ref_B":"Also this had nothing to do with overbooking \u2014 overbooking means a plane is ready for departure and that there are too many seats sold. Spirit planes are out of position. \u2014 crew is out of position. You will not be able to credibly claim overbooking. There is understaffing on the service contractors \u2014 spirit takes the lowest bid for ground services (loading. Etc) so the contractor pays minimum wage for difficult work \u2014- so people walk out of the job. Those low fares you paid mean that the staff is barebones \u2014 as is their infrastructure \u2014- and you are fine with that until you need service and then wonder why people do not want to work for spirit contractors \u2014 and why spirit has substandard internal infrastructure (aka IT).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2885.0,"score_ratio":2.2121212121} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84hjaq","c_root_id_B":"h84ih5y","created_at_utc_A":1628388561,"created_at_utc_B":1628389083,"score_A":33,"score_B":43,"human_ref_A":"Any travel insurance? The airline COC limits consequential damage \u2014 ie extra hotels etc This is one of the risks with ULCC \u2014 there are cheaper because of what they do not have \u2014 customer service, interline agreements","human_ref_B":"As others have said, you basically take this risk on when you book with certain airlines. And your ticket contains the terms of service - don't like them? Don't buy their ticket. So practically, no there is no use taking Spirit to court for this. I'm sorry you went through this, but you'll sleep a lot easier letting the money go.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":522.0,"score_ratio":1.303030303} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84hjaq","c_root_id_B":"h84poa6","created_at_utc_A":1628388561,"created_at_utc_B":1628393200,"score_A":33,"score_B":38,"human_ref_A":"Any travel insurance? The airline COC limits consequential damage \u2014 ie extra hotels etc This is one of the risks with ULCC \u2014 there are cheaper because of what they do not have \u2014 customer service, interline agreements","human_ref_B":"You won\u2019t have any luck beyond getting a refund for the cancelled flight. The type of consequential damages you suffered are not covered by the airline. You can purchase travel insurance to cover costs arising from an interruption, delay, or cancellation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4639.0,"score_ratio":1.1515151515} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h84poa6","c_root_id_B":"h84oe5l","created_at_utc_A":1628393200,"created_at_utc_B":1628392453,"score_A":38,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"You won\u2019t have any luck beyond getting a refund for the cancelled flight. The type of consequential damages you suffered are not covered by the airline. You can purchase travel insurance to cover costs arising from an interruption, delay, or cancellation.","human_ref_B":"If you can't get ahold of a customer service agent via telephone, write a letter and mail it certified. See if that produces a result.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":747.0,"score_ratio":3.8} {"post_id":"p03oom","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Is there any use taking Spirit Airlines to Small Claims Court? Hi, My partner and I (and our 10 month old puppy) purchased round trip tickets through Spirit Airlines... Direct flights from Milwaukee, WI to LAX to visit my family for the first time in two years due to the pandemic. The night before our return trip, we got an email from Spirit saying that our flight was cancelled, and strangely, \"not to try to call or come to the airport\". The news showed that Spirit had been dealing with this issue for 3 days at that time, with people stranded at the airport for 30 hours in some cases. We called Spirit multiple times to try to find another flight. At first, their phone lines would pick up and we'd hold for about an hour and then it would automatically hang up on us. Eventually, their phone line stopped taking calls and had an automated message that said to use their online chat feature and then hung up on us. We tried that, but it was unable to book flights with other carriers or offer hotel or food vouchers (the replacement flights Spirit originally offered us all ended up getting cancelled two days later). I sent an email to Spirit's email complaint forms prior to our expected departure time, stating that we were stranded and sought to get a flight through another carrier, and never heard back from that. I also went to the airport to extend our rental car and stood in line with Spirit for hours to no avail. In short, we were stranded in LA with no way to get home and no way to get ahold of the airline we'd booked with and no budget for our extra stay. We ended up finding the best deal we could find on a flight home through United two days later (flights the same day were over $1000\/ticket) and just putting it on a credit card, hopeful that we could fight it out with Spirit if\/when we could finally get in touch with them. The cheapest we could find was $870.40 one-way for the two of us with our dog, two days later (and with a lay-over). We extended our rental car, and booked the cheapest hotel we could find that would take our dog. Not to mention, we had to feed ourselves for those days and miss work. We arrived home late last night. I've tried to call Spirit multiple times today with no luck. I was on hold for nearly 30 mins just now and then was hung up on automatically. Spirit's CEO keeps carefully phrasing his apologies to include things like \"weather\" which I imagine they'll hope to use to get out of their contract with passengers, however it seems clear that this issue had more to do with overbooking and under-staffing and their own operational issues as they've also apologized for publicly. At this point, Spirit's poor management decisions cost us over $1700 just to get home from this trip (not including our food and loss of work). Are there any legal avenues to get compensated by a company like Spirit in this situation? Is small claims court an option? Any help would be deeply appreciated, as these unexpected expenses all went on credit cards this week. Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"h859l1q","c_root_id_B":"h84oe5l","created_at_utc_A":1628407146,"created_at_utc_B":1628392453,"score_A":11,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"OP probably has a decent shot at getting a refund for the unused portion of the ticket, though given the extent of the Spirit meltdown it's probably going to take awhile. But Spirit's Contract of Carriage says that \"with limited exceptions\" there will be no reimbursement for flights on alternate carriers. (p 40) and \"Spirit will not assume expenses incurred as a result of a flight delay, cancellation, or schedule change. Spirit may provide limited amenities and services, which may be required by certain guests in order to maintain their safety, health and welfare. Amenities provided by Spirit are provided as a courtesy to the guest and are not to be considered an obligation of Spirit.\" Again, you have to look at the size of this mess. There are thousands and thousands of people who likely did just what OP did. It's really unlikely that Spirit has the revenue\/insurance coverage to compensate them all. So making exceptions to its COC for even 1-2 percent of the PX is not likely to do anything to stave off the s--tstorm that's already pelting down on their heads. And they are going to have to hold on to every penny they can to have a hope of surviving this. In short, OP's chances of anything outside of the limits of the COC seem to be slim, and almost certain to arrive in the form of vouchers .... on an airline that might not be flying six months from now. The actual ticket refund has to be by the original form of payment though. ​ ​ (In addition, the contract bans trials by juries and class-action lawsuits, and requires a 6-month wait before any litigation can commence (p46).","human_ref_B":"If you can't get ahold of a customer service agent via telephone, write a letter and mail it certified. See if that produces a result.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14693.0,"score_ratio":1.1} {"post_id":"aeafzo","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Dentist broke drill in tooth during root canal and left it in; Found out 5 years later. (Sorry if this is poorly written, I am on a few painkillers) My tooth started hurting very badly on Monday, I\u2019m talking crying in bed because it hurt too much to move my head or talk. So I hit up a friend of mine, who is a dentist I know through mutual friends, and knew wouldn\u2019t charge me a consultation fee because I don\u2019t haven\u2019t dental insurance. There, he told me I had an infection under a tooth I had already had a root canal on but that it looked like they could salvage the tooth and the crown. He then referred me to a different dentist I went to on Tuesday. We did a few more x-rays to which I found out- not only is there an infection under this tooth, but the dentist who originally did the root canal, BROKE A DRILL IN MY TOOTH AND LEFT IT THERE WITHOUT EVER TELLING ME. So now they\u2019re not sure if they can do another root canal, which they could\u2019ve done if there wasn\u2019t the drill in there, and I may now have to get the entire tooth removed and get an implant. I want to press charges. Is it too late for me since it\u2019s been 5 years? Is there a chance he\u2019ll lose his license? And what kind of compensation would I receive? I know I have to get a medical malpractice lawyer, but this is my first time having to even consider suing someone and would just like to know how this is most likely going to turn out or how it\u2019s going to go down. Oh and this happened in California.","c_root_id_A":"edno9uz","c_root_id_B":"ednqlc8","created_at_utc_A":1547063584,"created_at_utc_B":1547065192,"score_A":52,"score_B":54,"human_ref_A":"You need a lawyer, as you said. This is beyond the scope of Reddit because it's in malpractice territory. Your statute of limitations on whether you can pursue the case will depend on what state you had the procedure done, but you should be covered by what's called the discovery rule, which means that you get a certain amount of time after you discover the issue if you could not have reasonably discovered the issue until that point (5 years later in your case). Get a lawyer, they will be able to tell you if you have a good case. I would say this is worth the consultation","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but a dentist. A file (you\u2019re calling it a drill but it\u2019s most likely an endodontic file, just FYI, doesn\u2019t change anything here) does have a chance to break in a tooth and it\u2019s part of reasonable risk when you sign a consent. However the fact the dentist didn\u2019t tell you it happened or warn you about complications is actually a big no-no. So you trying to pursue this case would be dependent on proving that the dentist didn\u2019t inform you. One thing you will probably want to do is request your records from that dentist (without telling them you are possibly taking legal action, because unfortunately the type of doctor to fail to inform a patient of complications is also capable of editing their records) and have your malpractice lawyer go through them. I would say that if you did have the conversation about the file and forgot about it until it became relevant (I mention this because I have had a lot of patients that seem to let vital information go in one ear and out the other, make sure this isn\u2019t the case here), you\u2019re gonna have a hard time winning, but if they didn\u2019t tell you and have no record of telling you, then they\u2019re gonna have a hard time fighting you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1608.0,"score_ratio":1.0384615385} {"post_id":"aeafzo","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Dentist broke drill in tooth during root canal and left it in; Found out 5 years later. (Sorry if this is poorly written, I am on a few painkillers) My tooth started hurting very badly on Monday, I\u2019m talking crying in bed because it hurt too much to move my head or talk. So I hit up a friend of mine, who is a dentist I know through mutual friends, and knew wouldn\u2019t charge me a consultation fee because I don\u2019t haven\u2019t dental insurance. There, he told me I had an infection under a tooth I had already had a root canal on but that it looked like they could salvage the tooth and the crown. He then referred me to a different dentist I went to on Tuesday. We did a few more x-rays to which I found out- not only is there an infection under this tooth, but the dentist who originally did the root canal, BROKE A DRILL IN MY TOOTH AND LEFT IT THERE WITHOUT EVER TELLING ME. So now they\u2019re not sure if they can do another root canal, which they could\u2019ve done if there wasn\u2019t the drill in there, and I may now have to get the entire tooth removed and get an implant. I want to press charges. Is it too late for me since it\u2019s been 5 years? Is there a chance he\u2019ll lose his license? And what kind of compensation would I receive? I know I have to get a medical malpractice lawyer, but this is my first time having to even consider suing someone and would just like to know how this is most likely going to turn out or how it\u2019s going to go down. Oh and this happened in California.","c_root_id_A":"edno9uz","c_root_id_B":"ednn1ex","created_at_utc_A":1547063584,"created_at_utc_B":1547062722,"score_A":52,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"You need a lawyer, as you said. This is beyond the scope of Reddit because it's in malpractice territory. Your statute of limitations on whether you can pursue the case will depend on what state you had the procedure done, but you should be covered by what's called the discovery rule, which means that you get a certain amount of time after you discover the issue if you could not have reasonably discovered the issue until that point (5 years later in your case). Get a lawyer, they will be able to tell you if you have a good case. I would say this is worth the consultation","human_ref_B":"Malpractice of any kind is very fact specific and it is unfortunately beyond the scope of this subreddit. If this is a medical question, it is highly recommended to speak with a medical malpractice attorney; your state's bar may be able to refer you to one. They typically work on contingency, meaning there is little up front cost to you. Similarly, consultations are typically free. It wouldn't hurt to meet with one, have them look over your info, and go from there. If this is a question about legal malpractice, you should seek the advice of a second unrelated attorney and\/or report the matter to your state bar association\" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](\/message\/compose\/?to=\/r\/legaladvice) if you have any questions or concerns.*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":862.0,"score_ratio":7.4285714286} {"post_id":"aeafzo","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Dentist broke drill in tooth during root canal and left it in; Found out 5 years later. (Sorry if this is poorly written, I am on a few painkillers) My tooth started hurting very badly on Monday, I\u2019m talking crying in bed because it hurt too much to move my head or talk. So I hit up a friend of mine, who is a dentist I know through mutual friends, and knew wouldn\u2019t charge me a consultation fee because I don\u2019t haven\u2019t dental insurance. There, he told me I had an infection under a tooth I had already had a root canal on but that it looked like they could salvage the tooth and the crown. He then referred me to a different dentist I went to on Tuesday. We did a few more x-rays to which I found out- not only is there an infection under this tooth, but the dentist who originally did the root canal, BROKE A DRILL IN MY TOOTH AND LEFT IT THERE WITHOUT EVER TELLING ME. So now they\u2019re not sure if they can do another root canal, which they could\u2019ve done if there wasn\u2019t the drill in there, and I may now have to get the entire tooth removed and get an implant. I want to press charges. Is it too late for me since it\u2019s been 5 years? Is there a chance he\u2019ll lose his license? And what kind of compensation would I receive? I know I have to get a medical malpractice lawyer, but this is my first time having to even consider suing someone and would just like to know how this is most likely going to turn out or how it\u2019s going to go down. Oh and this happened in California.","c_root_id_A":"ednqlc8","c_root_id_B":"ednn1ex","created_at_utc_A":1547065192,"created_at_utc_B":1547062722,"score_A":54,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, but a dentist. A file (you\u2019re calling it a drill but it\u2019s most likely an endodontic file, just FYI, doesn\u2019t change anything here) does have a chance to break in a tooth and it\u2019s part of reasonable risk when you sign a consent. However the fact the dentist didn\u2019t tell you it happened or warn you about complications is actually a big no-no. So you trying to pursue this case would be dependent on proving that the dentist didn\u2019t inform you. One thing you will probably want to do is request your records from that dentist (without telling them you are possibly taking legal action, because unfortunately the type of doctor to fail to inform a patient of complications is also capable of editing their records) and have your malpractice lawyer go through them. I would say that if you did have the conversation about the file and forgot about it until it became relevant (I mention this because I have had a lot of patients that seem to let vital information go in one ear and out the other, make sure this isn\u2019t the case here), you\u2019re gonna have a hard time winning, but if they didn\u2019t tell you and have no record of telling you, then they\u2019re gonna have a hard time fighting you.","human_ref_B":"Malpractice of any kind is very fact specific and it is unfortunately beyond the scope of this subreddit. If this is a medical question, it is highly recommended to speak with a medical malpractice attorney; your state's bar may be able to refer you to one. They typically work on contingency, meaning there is little up front cost to you. Similarly, consultations are typically free. It wouldn't hurt to meet with one, have them look over your info, and go from there. If this is a question about legal malpractice, you should seek the advice of a second unrelated attorney and\/or report the matter to your state bar association\" *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](\/message\/compose\/?to=\/r\/legaladvice) if you have any questions or concerns.*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2470.0,"score_ratio":7.7142857143} {"post_id":"aeafzo","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"Dentist broke drill in tooth during root canal and left it in; Found out 5 years later. (Sorry if this is poorly written, I am on a few painkillers) My tooth started hurting very badly on Monday, I\u2019m talking crying in bed because it hurt too much to move my head or talk. So I hit up a friend of mine, who is a dentist I know through mutual friends, and knew wouldn\u2019t charge me a consultation fee because I don\u2019t haven\u2019t dental insurance. There, he told me I had an infection under a tooth I had already had a root canal on but that it looked like they could salvage the tooth and the crown. He then referred me to a different dentist I went to on Tuesday. We did a few more x-rays to which I found out- not only is there an infection under this tooth, but the dentist who originally did the root canal, BROKE A DRILL IN MY TOOTH AND LEFT IT THERE WITHOUT EVER TELLING ME. So now they\u2019re not sure if they can do another root canal, which they could\u2019ve done if there wasn\u2019t the drill in there, and I may now have to get the entire tooth removed and get an implant. I want to press charges. Is it too late for me since it\u2019s been 5 years? Is there a chance he\u2019ll lose his license? And what kind of compensation would I receive? I know I have to get a medical malpractice lawyer, but this is my first time having to even consider suing someone and would just like to know how this is most likely going to turn out or how it\u2019s going to go down. Oh and this happened in California.","c_root_id_A":"ednq5wp","c_root_id_B":"ednqlc8","created_at_utc_A":1547064893,"created_at_utc_B":1547065192,"score_A":5,"score_B":54,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. Get in contact with the old office ASAP and request a copy of your patient file. They are required by HIPPA to retain the record for 6 years so they better have it (just say you're going to a new dentist and want your record for them, don't alert them that you may be seeking a malpractice claim). Ask for a copy of your patient record from your friend dentist who referred you and a copy of the patient record from the Endodontist (esp the images showing the broken drill head still in the root). If you had insurance at the time of the original root canal also see if you can contact the insurance company to see if you can obtain a record of the claim filed, this will show what tooth # and op they paid out to the original office. As others have said contact a malpractice attorney.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but a dentist. A file (you\u2019re calling it a drill but it\u2019s most likely an endodontic file, just FYI, doesn\u2019t change anything here) does have a chance to break in a tooth and it\u2019s part of reasonable risk when you sign a consent. However the fact the dentist didn\u2019t tell you it happened or warn you about complications is actually a big no-no. So you trying to pursue this case would be dependent on proving that the dentist didn\u2019t inform you. One thing you will probably want to do is request your records from that dentist (without telling them you are possibly taking legal action, because unfortunately the type of doctor to fail to inform a patient of complications is also capable of editing their records) and have your malpractice lawyer go through them. I would say that if you did have the conversation about the file and forgot about it until it became relevant (I mention this because I have had a lot of patients that seem to let vital information go in one ear and out the other, make sure this isn\u2019t the case here), you\u2019re gonna have a hard time winning, but if they didn\u2019t tell you and have no record of telling you, then they\u2019re gonna have a hard time fighting you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":299.0,"score_ratio":10.8} {"post_id":"3kou46","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Ex-wife is allowing children to see MY parents even though I specifically asked her not to. What rights do I have? Ok, ex and I divorced a few years ago, I have followed every single one of her wishes to the letter. I have had a rocky relatoonship with my family for a long time and I finally decided to cut all ties with them. It wasn't easy but I decided it would be better for my girls in the long run. I specifically told my ex and her mother that the girls were not allowed to go back to see my family. No more. At all. I find out that last weekend my girls spent with my family because my ex took them there. Here is the kicker. My ex didn't want my girls around a female friend and her family because she \"knew\" that we were having an affair. As much as I argued the point I finally relented and my girls have missed out on seeing and being around my very best friends their whole life. All because she asked me not to have them around them. Yet, as soon as I ask the exact same for people I KNOW are a bad influence she spits in my face and does what she wants. Do I have any type of legal power to stop her from allowing my girls to see my awful parents? They talk about \"black and gay rights\" like it is a bad thing, have openly said they will disown any gay family member, one that dates another race, are close minded and very very bigoted. I don't want my children growing up like I did. Please, if there is anyone out there that can help, it would mean the world.","c_root_id_A":"cuzkyfu","c_root_id_B":"cuzx7zj","created_at_utc_A":1442107650,"created_at_utc_B":1442144154,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Asking your kids to not be around your friend is not the same as you asking for them not to be around their grandparents. Educate them properly about right and wrong and they'll grow up with those values and see your parents as backward, while maybe still getting to have an important familial relationship. And maybe be a little less emo, this is about what's best for your kids and not being upset that your ex doesn't agree with you.","human_ref_B":"Just a thought, You might mention to your ex, that by allowing your parents to establish a relationship with your children, she is giving your parents grounds to attempt a custody hearing. So, instead of a 2 way tussle, you could have a three way fight.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":36504.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} {"post_id":"3kou46","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Ex-wife is allowing children to see MY parents even though I specifically asked her not to. What rights do I have? Ok, ex and I divorced a few years ago, I have followed every single one of her wishes to the letter. I have had a rocky relatoonship with my family for a long time and I finally decided to cut all ties with them. It wasn't easy but I decided it would be better for my girls in the long run. I specifically told my ex and her mother that the girls were not allowed to go back to see my family. No more. At all. I find out that last weekend my girls spent with my family because my ex took them there. Here is the kicker. My ex didn't want my girls around a female friend and her family because she \"knew\" that we were having an affair. As much as I argued the point I finally relented and my girls have missed out on seeing and being around my very best friends their whole life. All because she asked me not to have them around them. Yet, as soon as I ask the exact same for people I KNOW are a bad influence she spits in my face and does what she wants. Do I have any type of legal power to stop her from allowing my girls to see my awful parents? They talk about \"black and gay rights\" like it is a bad thing, have openly said they will disown any gay family member, one that dates another race, are close minded and very very bigoted. I don't want my children growing up like I did. Please, if there is anyone out there that can help, it would mean the world.","c_root_id_A":"cuzx7zj","c_root_id_B":"cuzrskr","created_at_utc_A":1442144154,"created_at_utc_B":1442122488,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Just a thought, You might mention to your ex, that by allowing your parents to establish a relationship with your children, she is giving your parents grounds to attempt a custody hearing. So, instead of a 2 way tussle, you could have a three way fight.","human_ref_B":"If your ex has custody, she can take them wherever she wants unless the custody order says otherwise. The only way you can stop it is to petition for the custody order to be modified.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21666.0,"score_ratio":2.5} {"post_id":"yl872f","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.79,"history":"my(17m) girlfriend(20f) thinks that if we have sex, which is legal in my state(Kentucky), that my parents could press charges regardless of my say in the matter. is this true?","c_root_id_A":"iuyc42r","c_root_id_B":"iuxt24g","created_at_utc_A":1667515178,"created_at_utc_B":1667506125,"score_A":49,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"Is your girlfriend a teacher, coach, or someone that could act as a trusted adult? If so they can get in trouble with the law even if the age of consent requirements are met.","human_ref_B":"Your parents can\u2019t press criminal charges. They can notify the police of acts they think is illegal, the police can investigate, and the DA can file and press charges.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9053.0,"score_ratio":1.1136363636} {"post_id":"3t9htp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"(California) Got t-boned by a drunk driver who ran a red light, now my car is totaled and I have major medical bills. A friend recommended an attorney, and I have an appointment to meet with him tomorrow afternoon. My concern is that I'm going to get screwed over by the attorney taking a massive chunk of money from this case. How can I make sure they only take a reasonable cut? The other night my friend and I were driving home from work, we had a green light, and a drunk driver ran a red and hit my drivers side door. My car is absolutely fucked, and they took us to the hospital in an ambulance. Before they took us, I made the officer give me a field sobriety test so that it would be on record that I was completely sober and had not been drinking that night. The driver who hit us was totally hammered, and the officer told us he'd be going to jail as well as he hospital for his own injuries. Honestly considering the damage its a miracle my passenger and I came out of it alive. We're pretty banged up tho, and have missed work the last few days. Because of our low income, we were granted temporary medi-cal coverage. What kinds of things should I know before I go into my appointment tomorrow with my attorney? What questions should I ask? What part of the fine print should I read to make sure I don't get financially screwed?","c_root_id_A":"cx4crxq","c_root_id_B":"cx4ed22","created_at_utc_A":1447838610,"created_at_utc_B":1447845833,"score_A":3,"score_B":19,"human_ref_A":"Generally a PI attorney in CA takes 30% on a contingency contract.","human_ref_B":"went through this over the past 3 yrs in TX.. 33% is typical.. my atty said 40% if it went to trial, which it didn't. Their attys will be looking for every possible reason to attach some fault to you so they can reduce the payout. in Texas, if the judge\/jury finds you 20% at fault, the payout is reduced by 20%. As for property damage (your vehicle etc...), you or your insurance company should work directly with their insurance company - you do not need or want a lawyer for this. This is a very straight forward process. Their ins. will make you an offer - don't just take their word for it. Make sure you get your insurance company to evaluate how much you car is worth, too, and submit the higher offer as your claim. For the time being, your medical insurance should pay for everything.. Then, when settlement is received, you'll pay them back. You can negotiate with your insurance company - we had about 275k in medical bills and negotiated about 60k or so (i forget). Depending on medical bills I would offer to settle with them without using an attorney. You don't necessarily need an attorney but you don't want to get screwed. I had plenty of time to research and saw numbers of 3 - 5x medical as the typical settlement amounts. Our very severe accident was right at 3x because they dug up some medical issues and basically threatened to drag us through court with it. Don't be in a hurry to sign with an atty (In TX, you have 2 years to file suit.) - take your time, research, and think about your options. 30% off the top (before insurance reimbursements etc.. is a lot of money). EDIT: it sounds like this was not a commercial vehicle, but rather a personal vehicle - I hope they have enough coverage. you can sue for their max.. any more than that, and the driver would be on the hook for it - but, if the driver isn't worth much you may not see any money coming out of their pockets.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7223.0,"score_ratio":6.3333333333} {"post_id":"3t9htp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"(California) Got t-boned by a drunk driver who ran a red light, now my car is totaled and I have major medical bills. A friend recommended an attorney, and I have an appointment to meet with him tomorrow afternoon. My concern is that I'm going to get screwed over by the attorney taking a massive chunk of money from this case. How can I make sure they only take a reasonable cut? The other night my friend and I were driving home from work, we had a green light, and a drunk driver ran a red and hit my drivers side door. My car is absolutely fucked, and they took us to the hospital in an ambulance. Before they took us, I made the officer give me a field sobriety test so that it would be on record that I was completely sober and had not been drinking that night. The driver who hit us was totally hammered, and the officer told us he'd be going to jail as well as he hospital for his own injuries. Honestly considering the damage its a miracle my passenger and I came out of it alive. We're pretty banged up tho, and have missed work the last few days. Because of our low income, we were granted temporary medi-cal coverage. What kinds of things should I know before I go into my appointment tomorrow with my attorney? What questions should I ask? What part of the fine print should I read to make sure I don't get financially screwed?","c_root_id_A":"cx4crxq","c_root_id_B":"cx4k0d5","created_at_utc_A":1447838610,"created_at_utc_B":1447860174,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Generally a PI attorney in CA takes 30% on a contingency contract.","human_ref_B":"Unless there is really in need for urgency, it may be a little premature to engage a lawyer. Normally, this stuff is handled through insurance companies. I would wait and see what's the other insurance company is going to do, then consider my options. If this guy has no money and minimal insurance, then hiring an attorney is just going to be a waste of money.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21564.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"xvrerg","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Are parents legally obligated to feed you even if you have money? I am 17 and have a job and a bit of money because of that. My step mom hates me and has said she wont be buying me groceries or cooking for me anymore (She already never cooked for me). My dad won't want to upset her so he won't get me food either. Today I had to buy my own groceries and although I have enough money to feed myself it would drain a lot of my income. Is this perfectly normal and legal since I could take care of myself or are my parents obligaded to provide food since I am a minor. This is MA USA btw.","c_root_id_A":"ir2wgp4","c_root_id_B":"ir2m40n","created_at_utc_A":1664923842,"created_at_utc_B":1664919451,"score_A":2639,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"Holy crap, yes. Your parents are required to provide basic necessities for you. If you can't get help with your school counselor (as suggested), call department of family services (617) 748-2000","human_ref_B":"Your parents are obligated to ensure you\u2019re fed. They\u2019re also entitled to control your income until you\u2019re adult. That extends to having you pay for your own groceries.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4391.0,"score_ratio":94.25} {"post_id":"xvrerg","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Are parents legally obligated to feed you even if you have money? I am 17 and have a job and a bit of money because of that. My step mom hates me and has said she wont be buying me groceries or cooking for me anymore (She already never cooked for me). My dad won't want to upset her so he won't get me food either. Today I had to buy my own groceries and although I have enough money to feed myself it would drain a lot of my income. Is this perfectly normal and legal since I could take care of myself or are my parents obligaded to provide food since I am a minor. This is MA USA btw.","c_root_id_A":"ir308b3","c_root_id_B":"ir3kecr","created_at_utc_A":1664925551,"created_at_utc_B":1664934905,"score_A":162,"score_B":669,"human_ref_A":"IAL not your lawyer This is arguably child abuse\/neglect. Talk to your school resource officer\/counselor, and HAVE PROOF READY. Have your grocery receipts in hand. Your stepmother is almost certainly going to lie. Tell me if this sounds right: \"What? Absolutely not! We would never do [thing we absolutely did but can't admit to because it's shameful or illegal]! I can't believe OP would say that. She's a little liar sometimes. I think she got that from [mother\/relative they don't like].\"","human_ref_B":"When you turn 18 please lock your credit and get a new bank account somewhere else. Locking your credit is easy just never lose the password. If they are already this vindictive they might try to call into your bank and take money or start new bank accounts\/loans in your name. It's happened countless times on here.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9354.0,"score_ratio":4.1296296296} {"post_id":"xvrerg","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Are parents legally obligated to feed you even if you have money? I am 17 and have a job and a bit of money because of that. My step mom hates me and has said she wont be buying me groceries or cooking for me anymore (She already never cooked for me). My dad won't want to upset her so he won't get me food either. Today I had to buy my own groceries and although I have enough money to feed myself it would drain a lot of my income. Is this perfectly normal and legal since I could take care of myself or are my parents obligaded to provide food since I am a minor. This is MA USA btw.","c_root_id_A":"ir35eit","c_root_id_B":"ir3kecr","created_at_utc_A":1664927935,"created_at_utc_B":1664934905,"score_A":48,"score_B":669,"human_ref_A":"NLA. As a parent, I cannot comprehend parents like this. If you have not already, read the wiki pages on r\/personalfinance. Make sure you have all your documents social security card, birth certificate, etc. As soon as you turn 18, get your own bank account at a different bank. Its not you... its them. Go live your best life.","human_ref_B":"When you turn 18 please lock your credit and get a new bank account somewhere else. Locking your credit is easy just never lose the password. If they are already this vindictive they might try to call into your bank and take money or start new bank accounts\/loans in your name. It's happened countless times on here.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6970.0,"score_ratio":13.9375} {"post_id":"xvrerg","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Are parents legally obligated to feed you even if you have money? I am 17 and have a job and a bit of money because of that. My step mom hates me and has said she wont be buying me groceries or cooking for me anymore (She already never cooked for me). My dad won't want to upset her so he won't get me food either. Today I had to buy my own groceries and although I have enough money to feed myself it would drain a lot of my income. Is this perfectly normal and legal since I could take care of myself or are my parents obligaded to provide food since I am a minor. This is MA USA btw.","c_root_id_A":"ir3kecr","c_root_id_B":"ir2m40n","created_at_utc_A":1664934905,"created_at_utc_B":1664919451,"score_A":669,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"When you turn 18 please lock your credit and get a new bank account somewhere else. Locking your credit is easy just never lose the password. If they are already this vindictive they might try to call into your bank and take money or start new bank accounts\/loans in your name. It's happened countless times on here.","human_ref_B":"Your parents are obligated to ensure you\u2019re fed. They\u2019re also entitled to control your income until you\u2019re adult. That extends to having you pay for your own groceries.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15454.0,"score_ratio":23.8928571429} {"post_id":"xvrerg","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Are parents legally obligated to feed you even if you have money? I am 17 and have a job and a bit of money because of that. My step mom hates me and has said she wont be buying me groceries or cooking for me anymore (She already never cooked for me). My dad won't want to upset her so he won't get me food either. Today I had to buy my own groceries and although I have enough money to feed myself it would drain a lot of my income. Is this perfectly normal and legal since I could take care of myself or are my parents obligaded to provide food since I am a minor. This is MA USA btw.","c_root_id_A":"ir3kecr","c_root_id_B":"ir3j8e4","created_at_utc_A":1664934905,"created_at_utc_B":1664934367,"score_A":669,"score_B":26,"human_ref_A":"When you turn 18 please lock your credit and get a new bank account somewhere else. Locking your credit is easy just never lose the password. If they are already this vindictive they might try to call into your bank and take money or start new bank accounts\/loans in your name. It's happened countless times on here.","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer. Yes, parents are legally responsible for their minor children. Having a job does not exempt the parents from this responsibility. I'm not sure if that responsibility extends to your stepmom, but your father ABSOLUTELY is responsible. Is it ok to have a teen who has a job sometimes go for leftovers, or get takeout for themselves, sure. But that shouldn't be the default.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":538.0,"score_ratio":25.7307692308} {"post_id":"xvrerg","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Are parents legally obligated to feed you even if you have money? I am 17 and have a job and a bit of money because of that. My step mom hates me and has said she wont be buying me groceries or cooking for me anymore (She already never cooked for me). My dad won't want to upset her so he won't get me food either. Today I had to buy my own groceries and although I have enough money to feed myself it would drain a lot of my income. Is this perfectly normal and legal since I could take care of myself or are my parents obligaded to provide food since I am a minor. This is MA USA btw.","c_root_id_A":"ir308b3","c_root_id_B":"ir2m40n","created_at_utc_A":1664925551,"created_at_utc_B":1664919451,"score_A":162,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"IAL not your lawyer This is arguably child abuse\/neglect. Talk to your school resource officer\/counselor, and HAVE PROOF READY. Have your grocery receipts in hand. Your stepmother is almost certainly going to lie. Tell me if this sounds right: \"What? Absolutely not! We would never do [thing we absolutely did but can't admit to because it's shameful or illegal]! I can't believe OP would say that. She's a little liar sometimes. I think she got that from [mother\/relative they don't like].\"","human_ref_B":"Your parents are obligated to ensure you\u2019re fed. They\u2019re also entitled to control your income until you\u2019re adult. That extends to having you pay for your own groceries.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6100.0,"score_ratio":5.7857142857} {"post_id":"xvrerg","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Are parents legally obligated to feed you even if you have money? I am 17 and have a job and a bit of money because of that. My step mom hates me and has said she wont be buying me groceries or cooking for me anymore (She already never cooked for me). My dad won't want to upset her so he won't get me food either. Today I had to buy my own groceries and although I have enough money to feed myself it would drain a lot of my income. Is this perfectly normal and legal since I could take care of myself or are my parents obligaded to provide food since I am a minor. This is MA USA btw.","c_root_id_A":"ir2m40n","c_root_id_B":"ir35eit","created_at_utc_A":1664919451,"created_at_utc_B":1664927935,"score_A":28,"score_B":48,"human_ref_A":"Your parents are obligated to ensure you\u2019re fed. They\u2019re also entitled to control your income until you\u2019re adult. That extends to having you pay for your own groceries.","human_ref_B":"NLA. As a parent, I cannot comprehend parents like this. If you have not already, read the wiki pages on r\/personalfinance. Make sure you have all your documents social security card, birth certificate, etc. As soon as you turn 18, get your own bank account at a different bank. Its not you... its them. Go live your best life.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":8484.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143} {"post_id":"er0duk","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.69,"history":"Vet told my gf's sister that her cat did not have ringworm, it did and has now passed to gf's house, her family, her 4 pets, my house and me and likely my dog. Can I sue? My girlfriend's sister adopted a kitten who had an odd dry patch under her skin. So, she brought the cat to the vet who told her that it was nothing to be worried about. It kept getting worse so she went back a second time only to be told the same thing and then finally a third time when she started seeing ringworm-like lesions on herself as well. So, the vet said oh it's probably ringworm. By then, I and my girlfriend's family had interacted with the cat as well. My girlfriend now has ringworm, so does her cat and one of her 3 dogs, 2 of her sisters also have it, I have ringworm too and I'm sure that my dog will soon get it as well. I'm also sure that it's only a matter of time before the rest of her dogs get it too because it takes time for the spores to incubate and they have been exposed to them for a while now. All this to say, could I have a case for malpractice against this vet?","c_root_id_A":"fezudqt","c_root_id_B":"fezwygn","created_at_utc_A":1579461775,"created_at_utc_B":1579462748,"score_A":23,"score_B":72,"human_ref_A":"No, there\u2019s no way you can prove that they didn\u2019t get ringworm after she was evaluated. Maybe it was just a rash, then got ringworm before the third visit","human_ref_B":"Let me get this straight: Your vet never specifically told her the cat did not have ringworm, just that it was nothing to worry about? I am not a lawyer, but I am a vet, so let me give you my perspective. There are almost an innumerable amount of conditions that can cause varying skin lesions, ranging from common to so rare you'll never see it in your lifetime. Most cannot be distinguished without tests such as skin scraping, hair pluckings, tape test, cultures etc. Were any tests discussed and accepted or declined? Did you request the vet to look further into it when you returned a second time? I do not practice in the US, but I find it highly unlikely you would have any kind of case against the vet. Medicine is not a perfect science and sometimes illnesses get missed. You would have to prove that the actions of the vet fell far below what is expected for it to be considered malpractice, and with the evidence provided, this does not appear to be the case.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":973.0,"score_ratio":3.1304347826} {"post_id":"zcykpz","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.83,"history":"[NJ] House changed ownership multiple times. I\u2019m a renter. Lease ended a year ago. New owner who just bought house raising rent by $1K. So I\u2019m renting and my lease ended a year ago and was month to month with the 3rd or 4th owner. My original lease was with the 1st owner. The new owner said he wants 1K more for rent. What are my options? I have read he needs to send me a letter telling me he\u2019s raising the rent and I have 40 days. So do I keep paying my regular rent? Also who is responsible for my deposit I never got back?","c_root_id_A":"iz0kwu2","c_root_id_B":"iz0h2gj","created_at_utc_A":1670257064,"created_at_utc_B":1670255491,"score_A":20,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"1. You're month to month, so you have at least a full 30 day notice. https:\/\/lsnjlaw.org\/housing\/landlord-tenant\/rent-increases\/pages\/your-rights-around-rent-increases.aspx 2. New Jersey has an unconscionablity clause, so the rent increase cannot be above some level. The level is determined case-by-case on a bunch of factors. 3. The deposit isn't due to you until you move out. It was (or should have been) passed from landlord to landlord, as the house & associated lease were sold.","human_ref_B":"Location matters. Most states need to give 60 days notice to update rent. Some only need 30 days You will get your security deposit from the current\/latest landlord. Your security deposit will have been transferred with sale of building.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1573.0,"score_ratio":2.2222222222} {"post_id":"4brrsh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Just found out my ex-husband hired a private detective to put a GPS tracking device on my car in 2014. Is this legal? (South Carolina) In the course of a current custody dispute with my ex-husband, I received documents via subpoena that show that he hired a private detective to place a GPS tracking device on my car for two months in 2014. The device was battery-operated. Our divorce was finalized in 2013 and also, the car was never part of our marital property. Obviously, he never had my permission to do this and I had no knowledge of this until yesterday. My questions are, in South Carolina, is this legal? Is it criminal? If illegal, is there a statute of limitations I should be aware of? I tried using my best Google-fu, but I can't find a clear answer to my question. Thanks in advance for the help.","c_root_id_A":"d1c6wn4","c_root_id_B":"d1c8i49","created_at_utc_A":1458849596,"created_at_utc_B":1458851740,"score_A":7,"score_B":57,"human_ref_A":"You should ask your lawyer if South Carolina has a tort called \"invasion of privacy.\" If it does, you may be able to sue him for damages. (Or include this claim in your family law suit if that is possible to gain more leverage) There was some case I was reading not long ago that found a man liable for this tort for putting a GPS on someone's car without that person's permission. But only for the time the GPS was tracking the vehicle on private property.","human_ref_B":"This happened to a friend of mine in SC. Her ex put the tracker on her work vehicle and then she found it. And in a meeting with all of the attorneys together she put it on the table. I think she even had security footage of him placing it. What the tard failed to understand was that her work car was owned by the federal govt and she is an agent with a federal agency. She reported him to the Marshals at her work. He was lucky since she could have pushed for a Federal indictment against him. It was a backwards case where he had been living off her trust funds and investments and was living in a 5th wheel with some girl and wanted alimony. He pretty much lost everything at that moment.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2144.0,"score_ratio":8.1428571429} {"post_id":"tz3z2s","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Had 8 wisdom teeth extracted. Insurance is denying coverage on one of the extractions... Long story short... I had eight wisdom teeth. Seven were billed to medical and one was billed to dental. The 7th tooth billed to my medical was denied by my insurance, because apparently only 6 of the same code for \"boney extraction\" is allowed to be submitted on one day. Now the oral surgeon office is charging me for the wisdom tooth that was denied. What are my options?","c_root_id_A":"i3wg6tz","c_root_id_B":"i3wg9yb","created_at_utc_A":1649426257,"created_at_utc_B":1649426291,"score_A":3,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"try \/r\/healthinsurance for this question","human_ref_B":"As someone that also had extra wisdom teeth... Call your insurance and explain to them that you had extra wisdom teeth and ask what documentation or other codes your dentist could use. You can also ask your dentist to do this as well if you're not comfortable but in my experience it wasn't bad. My insurance really supported me with this and called my dentist while on the phone with me so we could all work it out.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":34.0,"score_ratio":11.6666666667} {"post_id":"tz3z2s","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Had 8 wisdom teeth extracted. Insurance is denying coverage on one of the extractions... Long story short... I had eight wisdom teeth. Seven were billed to medical and one was billed to dental. The 7th tooth billed to my medical was denied by my insurance, because apparently only 6 of the same code for \"boney extraction\" is allowed to be submitted on one day. Now the oral surgeon office is charging me for the wisdom tooth that was denied. What are my options?","c_root_id_A":"i3wg6tz","c_root_id_B":"i3wyf28","created_at_utc_A":1649426257,"created_at_utc_B":1649433325,"score_A":3,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"try \/r\/healthinsurance for this question","human_ref_B":"What state are you in? Many states have a system in place that outlines how consumers can request a review of any denied medical coverage. You think it should be covered; the insurance company denies; you can't get them to budge --- there should be a form on your state insurance site that explains how you file a complaint to review the situation.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7068.0,"score_ratio":1.3333333333} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e462z7c","c_root_id_B":"e4644c7","created_at_utc_A":1534249193,"created_at_utc_B":1534250616,"score_A":341,"score_B":541,"human_ref_A":"You can\u2019t convince someone who is in denial that you are telling the truth. What you can do is call the police or if you have a trusted teacher or other adult tell them. Please, do not let your mothers denial stop you from seeking more help, this was sexual assault and is a very bad warning sign that he will try again and may do worse.","human_ref_B":"1.) Contact the police. 2.) Contact CPS. 3.) Talk to your counselor at school. 4.) Search for him here on the National Sex Offender Public Website (NSOPW) and the California Megan's Law site. \"Mom, he's a convicted sex offender.\" definitely carries more weight. 5.) Recording in CA normally requires 2 parties, but there is an exception for suspicion of child abuse (Cal Penal Code Section 632.01(d)(1)(B)). Record away. If you need help or support, you can contact the National Sexual Assault Hotline and CALCASA Rape Prevention Resource Center. Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1423.0,"score_ratio":1.5865102639} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e462y0y","c_root_id_B":"e4644c7","created_at_utc_A":1534249150,"created_at_utc_B":1534250616,"score_A":28,"score_B":541,"human_ref_A":"It seems like your main question, \"How do I get mom to believe me?\" is more of a relationship one than a legal one. If it's important to you (and it might be) then you need to seek help for that part elsewhere. But here's the thing. Legally speaking, **it doesn't matter if mom believes you or not.** You deserve to be safe. You deserve to get help. Tell a teacher or counselor at school what happened- they can notify the police or social services and get that ball rolling. I'm sorry this happened and I'm sorry your mom is being this way.","human_ref_B":"1.) Contact the police. 2.) Contact CPS. 3.) Talk to your counselor at school. 4.) Search for him here on the National Sex Offender Public Website (NSOPW) and the California Megan's Law site. \"Mom, he's a convicted sex offender.\" definitely carries more weight. 5.) Recording in CA normally requires 2 parties, but there is an exception for suspicion of child abuse (Cal Penal Code Section 632.01(d)(1)(B)). Record away. If you need help or support, you can contact the National Sexual Assault Hotline and CALCASA Rape Prevention Resource Center. Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1466.0,"score_ratio":19.3214285714} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e462y0y","c_root_id_B":"e462z7c","created_at_utc_A":1534249150,"created_at_utc_B":1534249193,"score_A":28,"score_B":341,"human_ref_A":"It seems like your main question, \"How do I get mom to believe me?\" is more of a relationship one than a legal one. If it's important to you (and it might be) then you need to seek help for that part elsewhere. But here's the thing. Legally speaking, **it doesn't matter if mom believes you or not.** You deserve to be safe. You deserve to get help. Tell a teacher or counselor at school what happened- they can notify the police or social services and get that ball rolling. I'm sorry this happened and I'm sorry your mom is being this way.","human_ref_B":"You can\u2019t convince someone who is in denial that you are telling the truth. What you can do is call the police or if you have a trusted teacher or other adult tell them. Please, do not let your mothers denial stop you from seeking more help, this was sexual assault and is a very bad warning sign that he will try again and may do worse.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":43.0,"score_ratio":12.1785714286} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e46492c","c_root_id_B":"e462y0y","created_at_utc_A":1534250775,"created_at_utc_B":1534249150,"score_A":226,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"His actions meet the elements of sexual assault. His behavior will only get worse and she will never believe you. If you don't want to tell on your mom, tell a teacher that will report it to social services for you. Please do not stay in this situation where you may end up getting raped. That man is a child molester and they do not change. Please do something now!","human_ref_B":"It seems like your main question, \"How do I get mom to believe me?\" is more of a relationship one than a legal one. If it's important to you (and it might be) then you need to seek help for that part elsewhere. But here's the thing. Legally speaking, **it doesn't matter if mom believes you or not.** You deserve to be safe. You deserve to get help. Tell a teacher or counselor at school what happened- they can notify the police or social services and get that ball rolling. I'm sorry this happened and I'm sorry your mom is being this way.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1625.0,"score_ratio":8.0714285714} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e464hmq","c_root_id_B":"e46616d","created_at_utc_A":1534251064,"created_at_utc_B":1534252801,"score_A":102,"score_B":185,"human_ref_A":"Repeat after me until it sinks in: THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. YOU DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG. Again: THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. YOU DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG. Your 'mother' (I use the term loosely) sounds like a piece of work in not believing you. Her \\*job\\* is to protect you. Her bf being drunk is ZERO excuse for his behaviour. If he assaulted an adult while drunk, or got behind the wheel and killed someone, you bet your ass the cops would be waaaay up his to the point their badge would show through his mouth. I'm agreeing with everyone else here. Tell another trusted adult. Teachers, school staff, and doctors are all mandatory reporters. They HAVE to call the police on your behalf in situations like this. Also call CPS. If you have any relatives or close friends nearby that you can stay with while you're mother's ass of a bf is over, tell them what happened and see if you can stay with them from time to time too. Good luck...","human_ref_B":"If you're concerned about getting the police or CPS to believe you, don't be. \"Mom's boyfriend abuses her kids\" is a trope older than time. >I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. You can't have prevented this because it's not your fault. You didn't do anything wrong. Neither did your mother, really, bringing that man into your home; people who date women to get at their kids can be very charismatic and clever, and they know exactly what they're doing. What he's doing is wrong but it's also extremely concerning. He's gaining confidence with each overstep and the next assault could be worse. Contact the police.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1737.0,"score_ratio":1.8137254902} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e46616d","c_root_id_B":"e462y0y","created_at_utc_A":1534252801,"created_at_utc_B":1534249150,"score_A":185,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"If you're concerned about getting the police or CPS to believe you, don't be. \"Mom's boyfriend abuses her kids\" is a trope older than time. >I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. You can't have prevented this because it's not your fault. You didn't do anything wrong. Neither did your mother, really, bringing that man into your home; people who date women to get at their kids can be very charismatic and clever, and they know exactly what they're doing. What he's doing is wrong but it's also extremely concerning. He's gaining confidence with each overstep and the next assault could be worse. Contact the police.","human_ref_B":"It seems like your main question, \"How do I get mom to believe me?\" is more of a relationship one than a legal one. If it's important to you (and it might be) then you need to seek help for that part elsewhere. But here's the thing. Legally speaking, **it doesn't matter if mom believes you or not.** You deserve to be safe. You deserve to get help. Tell a teacher or counselor at school what happened- they can notify the police or social services and get that ball rolling. I'm sorry this happened and I'm sorry your mom is being this way.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3651.0,"score_ratio":6.6071428571} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e464hmq","c_root_id_B":"e4681e0","created_at_utc_A":1534251064,"created_at_utc_B":1534254831,"score_A":102,"score_B":133,"human_ref_A":"Repeat after me until it sinks in: THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. YOU DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG. Again: THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. YOU DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG. Your 'mother' (I use the term loosely) sounds like a piece of work in not believing you. Her \\*job\\* is to protect you. Her bf being drunk is ZERO excuse for his behaviour. If he assaulted an adult while drunk, or got behind the wheel and killed someone, you bet your ass the cops would be waaaay up his to the point their badge would show through his mouth. I'm agreeing with everyone else here. Tell another trusted adult. Teachers, school staff, and doctors are all mandatory reporters. They HAVE to call the police on your behalf in situations like this. Also call CPS. If you have any relatives or close friends nearby that you can stay with while you're mother's ass of a bf is over, tell them what happened and see if you can stay with them from time to time too. Good luck...","human_ref_B":"OP, please report this to a teacher \/ guidance counselor or directly to the police ASAP. While this entire experience is a giant red flag, part of your story raised a second red flag for me: > my mother and David went out for **a drink** > after my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) David may have intentionally gotten your mother drunk enough to pass out or even slipped a drug into her drink in order to facilitate alone-time with you. It wasn't \"a drink,\" since he was visibly intoxicated. But it wasn't enough (on his part) that he went to sleep as soon as she did, either. If this is the case, he may use the same tactic with you. Until either you or David are out of the house, be careful about what you eat and drink, especially if David prepares it or offers it to you. Especially if they contain alcohol (which, in addition to its own intoxicating effect, is generally more effective at concealing the taste of other substances - which may or may not even have a taste \/ odor in the first place.) Alcohol also gives him some plausible deniability if your mother sees you disoriented or you pass out. Drink beverages from sealed bottles \/ cans or water directly from the tap. Prepare your own meals, or eat food prepared by your mother while David isn't around. These precautions may be overkill, but better safe than sorry. EDIT to add that \"drugs\" don't have to be illegal substances or difficult to obtain. If David or your mother have a Rx for a sleeping pill like Ambien or an anti-anxiety drug like Xanax or Valium, be on high alert.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3767.0,"score_ratio":1.3039215686} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e4681e0","c_root_id_B":"e462y0y","created_at_utc_A":1534254831,"created_at_utc_B":1534249150,"score_A":133,"score_B":28,"human_ref_A":"OP, please report this to a teacher \/ guidance counselor or directly to the police ASAP. While this entire experience is a giant red flag, part of your story raised a second red flag for me: > my mother and David went out for **a drink** > after my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) David may have intentionally gotten your mother drunk enough to pass out or even slipped a drug into her drink in order to facilitate alone-time with you. It wasn't \"a drink,\" since he was visibly intoxicated. But it wasn't enough (on his part) that he went to sleep as soon as she did, either. If this is the case, he may use the same tactic with you. Until either you or David are out of the house, be careful about what you eat and drink, especially if David prepares it or offers it to you. Especially if they contain alcohol (which, in addition to its own intoxicating effect, is generally more effective at concealing the taste of other substances - which may or may not even have a taste \/ odor in the first place.) Alcohol also gives him some plausible deniability if your mother sees you disoriented or you pass out. Drink beverages from sealed bottles \/ cans or water directly from the tap. Prepare your own meals, or eat food prepared by your mother while David isn't around. These precautions may be overkill, but better safe than sorry. EDIT to add that \"drugs\" don't have to be illegal substances or difficult to obtain. If David or your mother have a Rx for a sleeping pill like Ambien or an anti-anxiety drug like Xanax or Valium, be on high alert.","human_ref_B":"It seems like your main question, \"How do I get mom to believe me?\" is more of a relationship one than a legal one. If it's important to you (and it might be) then you need to seek help for that part elsewhere. But here's the thing. Legally speaking, **it doesn't matter if mom believes you or not.** You deserve to be safe. You deserve to get help. Tell a teacher or counselor at school what happened- they can notify the police or social services and get that ball rolling. I'm sorry this happened and I'm sorry your mom is being this way.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5681.0,"score_ratio":4.75} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e462y0y","c_root_id_B":"e464hmq","created_at_utc_A":1534249150,"created_at_utc_B":1534251064,"score_A":28,"score_B":102,"human_ref_A":"It seems like your main question, \"How do I get mom to believe me?\" is more of a relationship one than a legal one. If it's important to you (and it might be) then you need to seek help for that part elsewhere. But here's the thing. Legally speaking, **it doesn't matter if mom believes you or not.** You deserve to be safe. You deserve to get help. Tell a teacher or counselor at school what happened- they can notify the police or social services and get that ball rolling. I'm sorry this happened and I'm sorry your mom is being this way.","human_ref_B":"Repeat after me until it sinks in: THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. YOU DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG. Again: THIS IS NOT YOUR FAULT. YOU DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WRONG. Your 'mother' (I use the term loosely) sounds like a piece of work in not believing you. Her \\*job\\* is to protect you. Her bf being drunk is ZERO excuse for his behaviour. If he assaulted an adult while drunk, or got behind the wheel and killed someone, you bet your ass the cops would be waaaay up his to the point their badge would show through his mouth. I'm agreeing with everyone else here. Tell another trusted adult. Teachers, school staff, and doctors are all mandatory reporters. They HAVE to call the police on your behalf in situations like this. Also call CPS. If you have any relatives or close friends nearby that you can stay with while you're mother's ass of a bf is over, tell them what happened and see if you can stay with them from time to time too. Good luck...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1914.0,"score_ratio":3.6428571429} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e46i9lr","c_root_id_B":"e46or35","created_at_utc_A":1534263824,"created_at_utc_B":1534269211,"score_A":17,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"You need to call the police\/go to the local police station and file a report. Yeah, your mom might be mad at you, but legally speaking, you will not be in trouble for making a police report. This is not your fault, this is all him. YOU are the victim here.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m so sorry, your mom is not being a good mom right now. She\u2019s more concerned with keeping her boyfriend happy than keeping you safe. I\u2019ve got a mixture of legal and practical advice: 1. This is not your fault, and don\u2019t let anyone convince you it didn\u2019t happen, or you \u2018misunderstood\u2019 the situation. You didn\u2019t. Trust your instincts. 2. Get a composition notebook (the kind you can\u2019t tear pages out of, without it being obvious). Write down everything, date\/time of every comment\/conversation\/touch\/etc. Make it as accurate as possible, the best of your ability. Add as much detail as you can, but don\u2019t embellish or guess (say, \u201con or around x date\/time,\u201d if you\u2019re not sure). Keep it in a safe place, where mom and BF can\u2019t find it, like your best friend\u2019s house, or your school locker. This is part of your evidence, and will help you keep the details straight when you report it. 3. You need an ally. Do you have a trusted adult who can help you? Do you have an aunt\/uncle, grandparent, teacher, BFF\u2019s mom...someone who will believe you, and support you. They can help you contact the police and file a complaint. Teachers, doctors, and school employees are mandatory reporters, so they are required by law to report your assault. 4. Safety first. Don\u2019t be alone with the boyfriend, ever. Not at home, or in a car. Does your bedroom door lock securely? If not, get a door stopper, and make sure you have a way to either get out or get help if he tries to come into your room. Keep your cell phone on you and charged at all times, and don\u2019t forget you can use any internet-capable device to IM, snap, message, etc. to call for help.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5387.0,"score_ratio":1.2352941176} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e46or35","c_root_id_B":"e46nyxy","created_at_utc_A":1534269211,"created_at_utc_B":1534268573,"score_A":21,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m so sorry, your mom is not being a good mom right now. She\u2019s more concerned with keeping her boyfriend happy than keeping you safe. I\u2019ve got a mixture of legal and practical advice: 1. This is not your fault, and don\u2019t let anyone convince you it didn\u2019t happen, or you \u2018misunderstood\u2019 the situation. You didn\u2019t. Trust your instincts. 2. Get a composition notebook (the kind you can\u2019t tear pages out of, without it being obvious). Write down everything, date\/time of every comment\/conversation\/touch\/etc. Make it as accurate as possible, the best of your ability. Add as much detail as you can, but don\u2019t embellish or guess (say, \u201con or around x date\/time,\u201d if you\u2019re not sure). Keep it in a safe place, where mom and BF can\u2019t find it, like your best friend\u2019s house, or your school locker. This is part of your evidence, and will help you keep the details straight when you report it. 3. You need an ally. Do you have a trusted adult who can help you? Do you have an aunt\/uncle, grandparent, teacher, BFF\u2019s mom...someone who will believe you, and support you. They can help you contact the police and file a complaint. Teachers, doctors, and school employees are mandatory reporters, so they are required by law to report your assault. 4. Safety first. Don\u2019t be alone with the boyfriend, ever. Not at home, or in a car. Does your bedroom door lock securely? If not, get a door stopper, and make sure you have a way to either get out or get help if he tries to come into your room. Keep your cell phone on you and charged at all times, and don\u2019t forget you can use any internet-capable device to IM, snap, message, etc. to call for help.","human_ref_B":"Call the police and tell them what happened. F your mom! YOU DID NOTHING WRONG. You couldn\u2019t have prevented this sick prick from molesting you. This is not your fault, this is not your fault, this is not your fault! Repeat that a thousand times and get away from him. Once again, call the police and make a report, even if they do nothing there is a report if he does this to you again or does it to someone else. Edit, if you do nothing it won\u2019t be *if* he does it again, it will be *when* he does it again and worse next time. I know you are young, and you shouldn\u2019t be having to deal with this, but please protect yourself. He is a bad bad person and WILL do this again. He needs to be reported to the police because even if you do get away from him he will find another single mom with a daughter and attack her too.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":638.0,"score_ratio":1.9090909091} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e46nyxy","c_root_id_B":"e46z81s","created_at_utc_A":1534268573,"created_at_utc_B":1534277911,"score_A":11,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Call the police and tell them what happened. F your mom! YOU DID NOTHING WRONG. You couldn\u2019t have prevented this sick prick from molesting you. This is not your fault, this is not your fault, this is not your fault! Repeat that a thousand times and get away from him. Once again, call the police and make a report, even if they do nothing there is a report if he does this to you again or does it to someone else. Edit, if you do nothing it won\u2019t be *if* he does it again, it will be *when* he does it again and worse next time. I know you are young, and you shouldn\u2019t be having to deal with this, but please protect yourself. He is a bad bad person and WILL do this again. He needs to be reported to the police because even if you do get away from him he will find another single mom with a daughter and attack her too.","human_ref_B":"No good person makes this kind of joke about a child, and you are a child. No good person would grope a child, drunk or not. You didn\u2019t cause this. You could be walking about naked and flirting with him and as the adult he is expected to NOT ASSAULT YOU. You are a child. You asked for love and support and homework help and rides to soccer practice. He used your kind nature and willingness to assume the best of people to make crude and inappropriate jokes. He chose to get drunk and chose to come into your room and chose to assault you. You are the victim of a crime from someone who manipulated you and your mom. You can\u2019t make anyone believe you. Think about people who deny things that have been factually proven. I\u2019m sorry that she didn\u2019t believe you and sorry for the damage that may and will cause to your relationship with her. Legally you don\u2019t need her to believe you to report him and get yourself to safety. Please report him. You\u2019re not safe right now.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9338.0,"score_ratio":1.5454545455} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e46vz40","c_root_id_B":"e46z81s","created_at_utc_A":1534275193,"created_at_utc_B":1534277911,"score_A":11,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Go over her head. Go to your school's counselor\/resource officer and then the police and\/or CPS. Since your father's not in the picture, is there anyone else you could possibly stay with for a while? This guy is not safe to be living around. No one in their right mind makes 'jokes' like this about a 14 year old, and especially not *to* the 14 year old. If you can't get out of the house, consider getting a lock for your door, or wedging something underneath the handle at night, but only if you're on the first floor (in case of a fire or other emergency where you need to get out fast). Maybe also get a can or two of pepper spray. Above all, remember that ***none of this is your fault.*** Never blame yourself for what he does or for what your mom doesn't do.","human_ref_B":"No good person makes this kind of joke about a child, and you are a child. No good person would grope a child, drunk or not. You didn\u2019t cause this. You could be walking about naked and flirting with him and as the adult he is expected to NOT ASSAULT YOU. You are a child. You asked for love and support and homework help and rides to soccer practice. He used your kind nature and willingness to assume the best of people to make crude and inappropriate jokes. He chose to get drunk and chose to come into your room and chose to assault you. You are the victim of a crime from someone who manipulated you and your mom. You can\u2019t make anyone believe you. Think about people who deny things that have been factually proven. I\u2019m sorry that she didn\u2019t believe you and sorry for the damage that may and will cause to your relationship with her. Legally you don\u2019t need her to believe you to report him and get yourself to safety. Please report him. You\u2019re not safe right now.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2718.0,"score_ratio":1.5454545455} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e46nyxy","c_root_id_B":"e47lsbw","created_at_utc_A":1534268573,"created_at_utc_B":1534299411,"score_A":11,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Call the police and tell them what happened. F your mom! YOU DID NOTHING WRONG. You couldn\u2019t have prevented this sick prick from molesting you. This is not your fault, this is not your fault, this is not your fault! Repeat that a thousand times and get away from him. Once again, call the police and make a report, even if they do nothing there is a report if he does this to you again or does it to someone else. Edit, if you do nothing it won\u2019t be *if* he does it again, it will be *when* he does it again and worse next time. I know you are young, and you shouldn\u2019t be having to deal with this, but please protect yourself. He is a bad bad person and WILL do this again. He needs to be reported to the police because even if you do get away from him he will find another single mom with a daughter and attack her too.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like he is actively grooming you. This is a process of slowly getting close to a child until there is an opportunity to sexually assault them. It can involve providing gifts or favors to gain trust, and making occasional inappropriate remarks to test boundaries. If these remarks are tolerated, they push further. The adult might try to make the child feel like like they are \"mature\" or \"grown up\" by sharing sexual jokes or content with them, or by letting them do things (e.g. drugs, alcohol, staying out late, etc) that they wouldn't normally be allowed to do. Everyone here is giving good advice. Please follow it. Do not brush this off. Look up grooming and tell your teachers, the police, your mother, anyone who can help you about what this man has been doing to you. It isn't your fault, and hopefully you will be able to get help by telling multiple adults.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30838.0,"score_ratio":1.1818181818} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e46vz40","c_root_id_B":"e47lsbw","created_at_utc_A":1534275193,"created_at_utc_B":1534299411,"score_A":11,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Go over her head. Go to your school's counselor\/resource officer and then the police and\/or CPS. Since your father's not in the picture, is there anyone else you could possibly stay with for a while? This guy is not safe to be living around. No one in their right mind makes 'jokes' like this about a 14 year old, and especially not *to* the 14 year old. If you can't get out of the house, consider getting a lock for your door, or wedging something underneath the handle at night, but only if you're on the first floor (in case of a fire or other emergency where you need to get out fast). Maybe also get a can or two of pepper spray. Above all, remember that ***none of this is your fault.*** Never blame yourself for what he does or for what your mom doesn't do.","human_ref_B":"Sounds like he is actively grooming you. This is a process of slowly getting close to a child until there is an opportunity to sexually assault them. It can involve providing gifts or favors to gain trust, and making occasional inappropriate remarks to test boundaries. If these remarks are tolerated, they push further. The adult might try to make the child feel like like they are \"mature\" or \"grown up\" by sharing sexual jokes or content with them, or by letting them do things (e.g. drugs, alcohol, staying out late, etc) that they wouldn't normally be allowed to do. Everyone here is giving good advice. Please follow it. Do not brush this off. Look up grooming and tell your teachers, the police, your mother, anyone who can help you about what this man has been doing to you. It isn't your fault, and hopefully you will be able to get help by telling multiple adults.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24218.0,"score_ratio":1.1818181818} {"post_id":"977uk8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"How to get (14F) my mother (34F) to believe that her boyfriend (32M) groped me? Throwaway acc for obvious reasons. My mother had me when she was 20, and my father is not involved in my life. I\u2019ll call my mothers boyfriend \u201cDavid\u201d. David and I have gotten closer over the past year, he helps my mom a bunch and is always willing to take to me to soccer practice\/school or my friends house, etc. So I like him, and he\u2019s a good \u2018father\u2019 figure to me. Recently he\u2019s started saying \u2018weird\u2019 things. Like he\u2019ll ask me if I want to hear a joke then tell me dirty jokes. My mom laughs this off. I was stretching in the living room after soccer practice and he said to me\u2014 and I quote \u201cClose your legs before I get excited haha.\u201d I didn\u2019t say anything bc maybe he was just joking. Last night my mother and David went out for a drink while I was home alone. After my mom fell asleep, David came into my room (while drunk) asking me if I needed help with my essay for school so I asked him if he could proofread it. He started telling me, \u201cYou know, you\u2019re growing up fast. You\u2019re getting curvier just like your mother.\u201d I honestly thought he was just telling me that in an innocent way. As I was writing on my laptop, he came behind me and started rubbing my shoulders, then GRABBED MY boobs. I got up and told him to get the hell out of my room. I was very scared. He\u2019s 6\u20190 ft and I\u2019m 5\u20195 ft. I told my mother the next morning and she didn\u2019t believe me at all. She asked David about it and he denied it also. I\u2019m so embarrassed and trying to think of ways I could\u2019ve prevented this, but maybe if he wasn\u2019t drunk this wouldn\u2019t of happened. I was thinking of recording him and trying to get it on tape if he tries something again, but I know that recording someone without their knowledge is illegal. What should I do? **TL;DR my mother\u2019s boyfriend grabbed my boobs and makes weird comments to me. How do I get my mother to believe me? What should I do? I live in California.**","c_root_id_A":"e47lsbw","c_root_id_B":"e474sek","created_at_utc_A":1534299411,"created_at_utc_B":1534282749,"score_A":13,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Sounds like he is actively grooming you. This is a process of slowly getting close to a child until there is an opportunity to sexually assault them. It can involve providing gifts or favors to gain trust, and making occasional inappropriate remarks to test boundaries. If these remarks are tolerated, they push further. The adult might try to make the child feel like like they are \"mature\" or \"grown up\" by sharing sexual jokes or content with them, or by letting them do things (e.g. drugs, alcohol, staying out late, etc) that they wouldn't normally be allowed to do. Everyone here is giving good advice. Please follow it. Do not brush this off. Look up grooming and tell your teachers, the police, your mother, anyone who can help you about what this man has been doing to you. It isn't your fault, and hopefully you will be able to get help by telling multiple adults.","human_ref_B":"You can call RAINN(https:\/\/rainn.org) and see if they can get you in touch with your local victim advocate. Victim advocates actually represent the victim during times of crisis, helping them connect with legal services, victim services, psychological and physical health. Also, this was not your fault. You could not have prevented this.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16662.0,"score_ratio":1.4444444444} {"post_id":"4z0biq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[Alabama] Another woman is claiming to have birthed my daughter and told another man he was the father and that I adopted her. Okay, this is going to sound crazy. I found out last night that my ex's ex-girlfriend had saved pictures of my daughter and sent them to one of her other ex-boyfriends, and his mother, telling them that she was actually HER daughter with this other ex-boyfriend and that because she was unable to take care of her, she adopted her out. She used her name, and her photos, but did not use the correct age. She said my daughter was 3, and not 6. This woman had also been talking to my daughter's biological dad (my ex, of course) about potentially dating again to \"see what was there.\" That would have given her access to my child. She had told her other ex that we had an open adoption and he would soon be able to be a part of her life if he cleaned up and got sober and was going to set up a paternity test. Obviously none of this is true. I gave birth to my daughter, she's six years old and not 3. However, I have no idea what her plans were. I don't know if she was just trying to manipulate this boy or if it would have escalated. I found out after the young man who thought he had a daughter showed a mutual friend a picture of \"his little girl\" last night at church. My friend said \"No.... that's -daughtersname- and she's my friend's kid.\" He said \"yes, that's her name, she's 3 and adopted.\" My friend knew that was wrong, obviously and got the whole story and talked to me. How should I proceed, or should I? Can I and should I file a police report about this? Should I talk to a lawyer? I do have screenshots of her telling the supposed \"grandmother\" on facebook about her \"grandchild,\" and using the photos of my daughter in that conversation. That's about the only evidence that I have.","c_root_id_A":"d6ruodb","c_root_id_B":"d6rttdz","created_at_utc_A":1471875036,"created_at_utc_B":1471873620,"score_A":1207,"score_B":443,"human_ref_A":"I would inform your daughter's school. You don't need to go into all of the details but set up a list of approved people who can pick her up. Maybe a password your daughter knows. You might also want to inform them that this woman is not allowed to have contact with your daughter.","human_ref_B":"Make sure the biodad knows what's going on, that it's creeping you out and stuff. Then he can make the informed choice to protect his daughter from the crazy.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1416.0,"score_ratio":2.7246049661} {"post_id":"4z0biq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[Alabama] Another woman is claiming to have birthed my daughter and told another man he was the father and that I adopted her. Okay, this is going to sound crazy. I found out last night that my ex's ex-girlfriend had saved pictures of my daughter and sent them to one of her other ex-boyfriends, and his mother, telling them that she was actually HER daughter with this other ex-boyfriend and that because she was unable to take care of her, she adopted her out. She used her name, and her photos, but did not use the correct age. She said my daughter was 3, and not 6. This woman had also been talking to my daughter's biological dad (my ex, of course) about potentially dating again to \"see what was there.\" That would have given her access to my child. She had told her other ex that we had an open adoption and he would soon be able to be a part of her life if he cleaned up and got sober and was going to set up a paternity test. Obviously none of this is true. I gave birth to my daughter, she's six years old and not 3. However, I have no idea what her plans were. I don't know if she was just trying to manipulate this boy or if it would have escalated. I found out after the young man who thought he had a daughter showed a mutual friend a picture of \"his little girl\" last night at church. My friend said \"No.... that's -daughtersname- and she's my friend's kid.\" He said \"yes, that's her name, she's 3 and adopted.\" My friend knew that was wrong, obviously and got the whole story and talked to me. How should I proceed, or should I? Can I and should I file a police report about this? Should I talk to a lawyer? I do have screenshots of her telling the supposed \"grandmother\" on facebook about her \"grandchild,\" and using the photos of my daughter in that conversation. That's about the only evidence that I have.","c_root_id_A":"d6ruodb","c_root_id_B":"d6rrrdz","created_at_utc_A":1471875036,"created_at_utc_B":1471869779,"score_A":1207,"score_B":336,"human_ref_A":"I would inform your daughter's school. You don't need to go into all of the details but set up a list of approved people who can pick her up. Maybe a password your daughter knows. You might also want to inform them that this woman is not allowed to have contact with your daughter.","human_ref_B":"She is crazy. Your cannot change that. No lawyer or police or court order can change that. Personally I would ignore it, close my FB and not put pictures of my kid on the internet anymore. Save what info you have though.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5257.0,"score_ratio":3.5922619048} {"post_id":"4z0biq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[Alabama] Another woman is claiming to have birthed my daughter and told another man he was the father and that I adopted her. Okay, this is going to sound crazy. I found out last night that my ex's ex-girlfriend had saved pictures of my daughter and sent them to one of her other ex-boyfriends, and his mother, telling them that she was actually HER daughter with this other ex-boyfriend and that because she was unable to take care of her, she adopted her out. She used her name, and her photos, but did not use the correct age. She said my daughter was 3, and not 6. This woman had also been talking to my daughter's biological dad (my ex, of course) about potentially dating again to \"see what was there.\" That would have given her access to my child. She had told her other ex that we had an open adoption and he would soon be able to be a part of her life if he cleaned up and got sober and was going to set up a paternity test. Obviously none of this is true. I gave birth to my daughter, she's six years old and not 3. However, I have no idea what her plans were. I don't know if she was just trying to manipulate this boy or if it would have escalated. I found out after the young man who thought he had a daughter showed a mutual friend a picture of \"his little girl\" last night at church. My friend said \"No.... that's -daughtersname- and she's my friend's kid.\" He said \"yes, that's her name, she's 3 and adopted.\" My friend knew that was wrong, obviously and got the whole story and talked to me. How should I proceed, or should I? Can I and should I file a police report about this? Should I talk to a lawyer? I do have screenshots of her telling the supposed \"grandmother\" on facebook about her \"grandchild,\" and using the photos of my daughter in that conversation. That's about the only evidence that I have.","c_root_id_A":"d6rrrdz","c_root_id_B":"d6rttdz","created_at_utc_A":1471869779,"created_at_utc_B":1471873620,"score_A":336,"score_B":443,"human_ref_A":"She is crazy. Your cannot change that. No lawyer or police or court order can change that. Personally I would ignore it, close my FB and not put pictures of my kid on the internet anymore. Save what info you have though.","human_ref_B":"Make sure the biodad knows what's going on, that it's creeping you out and stuff. Then he can make the informed choice to protect his daughter from the crazy.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3841.0,"score_ratio":1.318452381} {"post_id":"4z0biq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[Alabama] Another woman is claiming to have birthed my daughter and told another man he was the father and that I adopted her. Okay, this is going to sound crazy. I found out last night that my ex's ex-girlfriend had saved pictures of my daughter and sent them to one of her other ex-boyfriends, and his mother, telling them that she was actually HER daughter with this other ex-boyfriend and that because she was unable to take care of her, she adopted her out. She used her name, and her photos, but did not use the correct age. She said my daughter was 3, and not 6. This woman had also been talking to my daughter's biological dad (my ex, of course) about potentially dating again to \"see what was there.\" That would have given her access to my child. She had told her other ex that we had an open adoption and he would soon be able to be a part of her life if he cleaned up and got sober and was going to set up a paternity test. Obviously none of this is true. I gave birth to my daughter, she's six years old and not 3. However, I have no idea what her plans were. I don't know if she was just trying to manipulate this boy or if it would have escalated. I found out after the young man who thought he had a daughter showed a mutual friend a picture of \"his little girl\" last night at church. My friend said \"No.... that's -daughtersname- and she's my friend's kid.\" He said \"yes, that's her name, she's 3 and adopted.\" My friend knew that was wrong, obviously and got the whole story and talked to me. How should I proceed, or should I? Can I and should I file a police report about this? Should I talk to a lawyer? I do have screenshots of her telling the supposed \"grandmother\" on facebook about her \"grandchild,\" and using the photos of my daughter in that conversation. That's about the only evidence that I have.","c_root_id_A":"d6rz3an","c_root_id_B":"d6s0y99","created_at_utc_A":1471881371,"created_at_utc_B":1471883832,"score_A":102,"score_B":112,"human_ref_A":"This isn't legal advice, but I would say maybe lock down your Facebook as much as you can so that no posts are visible to anyone who isn't your on your friends list and all photo albums are hidden. Then make one public post explaining this situation. Don't call her out by name but maybe just say, 'someone is claiming to be the birth mother of my child. This is not true. Yada yada.' and possibly attach a photo if you have one from the hospital the day she was born where you very clearly just gave birth. That way, anyone who is not your friend on Facebook will only see that post when they navigate to your page. She will obviously see it but I imagine anyone she tells about you might also decide to try and cyber stalk and they'll be greeted with that message as well.","human_ref_B":"Get a restraining order on her. Include your kids. This is scary. There was a similar story on Dr. Phil a few months back. The fake mom even printed out pictures of the kids and hung them in her house. Don't take this lightly. Make sure she never has a way to be in contact with your kid please.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2461.0,"score_ratio":1.0980392157} {"post_id":"4z0biq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[Alabama] Another woman is claiming to have birthed my daughter and told another man he was the father and that I adopted her. Okay, this is going to sound crazy. I found out last night that my ex's ex-girlfriend had saved pictures of my daughter and sent them to one of her other ex-boyfriends, and his mother, telling them that she was actually HER daughter with this other ex-boyfriend and that because she was unable to take care of her, she adopted her out. She used her name, and her photos, but did not use the correct age. She said my daughter was 3, and not 6. This woman had also been talking to my daughter's biological dad (my ex, of course) about potentially dating again to \"see what was there.\" That would have given her access to my child. She had told her other ex that we had an open adoption and he would soon be able to be a part of her life if he cleaned up and got sober and was going to set up a paternity test. Obviously none of this is true. I gave birth to my daughter, she's six years old and not 3. However, I have no idea what her plans were. I don't know if she was just trying to manipulate this boy or if it would have escalated. I found out after the young man who thought he had a daughter showed a mutual friend a picture of \"his little girl\" last night at church. My friend said \"No.... that's -daughtersname- and she's my friend's kid.\" He said \"yes, that's her name, she's 3 and adopted.\" My friend knew that was wrong, obviously and got the whole story and talked to me. How should I proceed, or should I? Can I and should I file a police report about this? Should I talk to a lawyer? I do have screenshots of her telling the supposed \"grandmother\" on facebook about her \"grandchild,\" and using the photos of my daughter in that conversation. That's about the only evidence that I have.","c_root_id_A":"d6s0y99","c_root_id_B":"d6rzvn0","created_at_utc_A":1471883832,"created_at_utc_B":1471882430,"score_A":112,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"Get a restraining order on her. Include your kids. This is scary. There was a similar story on Dr. Phil a few months back. The fake mom even printed out pictures of the kids and hung them in her house. Don't take this lightly. Make sure she never has a way to be in contact with your kid please.","human_ref_B":"I might have missed someone else's comment in this vein, but perhaps it would be a good time to gently reinforce the message to your daughter about not talking to strangers, just in case this woman tries to approach her in some unsuspecting moment. I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this issue.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1402.0,"score_ratio":2.2857142857} {"post_id":"4z0biq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[Alabama] Another woman is claiming to have birthed my daughter and told another man he was the father and that I adopted her. Okay, this is going to sound crazy. I found out last night that my ex's ex-girlfriend had saved pictures of my daughter and sent them to one of her other ex-boyfriends, and his mother, telling them that she was actually HER daughter with this other ex-boyfriend and that because she was unable to take care of her, she adopted her out. She used her name, and her photos, but did not use the correct age. She said my daughter was 3, and not 6. This woman had also been talking to my daughter's biological dad (my ex, of course) about potentially dating again to \"see what was there.\" That would have given her access to my child. She had told her other ex that we had an open adoption and he would soon be able to be a part of her life if he cleaned up and got sober and was going to set up a paternity test. Obviously none of this is true. I gave birth to my daughter, she's six years old and not 3. However, I have no idea what her plans were. I don't know if she was just trying to manipulate this boy or if it would have escalated. I found out after the young man who thought he had a daughter showed a mutual friend a picture of \"his little girl\" last night at church. My friend said \"No.... that's -daughtersname- and she's my friend's kid.\" He said \"yes, that's her name, she's 3 and adopted.\" My friend knew that was wrong, obviously and got the whole story and talked to me. How should I proceed, or should I? Can I and should I file a police report about this? Should I talk to a lawyer? I do have screenshots of her telling the supposed \"grandmother\" on facebook about her \"grandchild,\" and using the photos of my daughter in that conversation. That's about the only evidence that I have.","c_root_id_A":"d6ry1xj","c_root_id_B":"d6s0y99","created_at_utc_A":1471879954,"created_at_utc_B":1471883832,"score_A":39,"score_B":112,"human_ref_A":"Do you have a custody order in place? It sounds like you do if your ex has supervised visitation. You may want to look into a modification that prevents him from allowing Crazy Lady to have contact with your daughter. Although, as your ex does only have supervised visitation and seems to have no intention of having anything to do with her, this is probably not necessary at this point. Also, this is not the same as a restraining order. This would be part of the custody order and if he violated it, you could file for contempt and try to have his visitation completely suspended or place further restrictions on any visitation. Save what evidence you have now and anything else you might find later on, including names and contact information of the people she's told this to (\"father\" and \"grandmother\"). If at any point she starts trying to contact you or your daughter, then you would want to start looking into a restraining order. Until then, provide your daughter's school\/daycare with a list of people authorized to pick her up and that no one else may do so. If you have a picture of this woman, provide that to the school as well with specific instructions that she is not allowed around your daughter.","human_ref_B":"Get a restraining order on her. Include your kids. This is scary. There was a similar story on Dr. Phil a few months back. The fake mom even printed out pictures of the kids and hung them in her house. Don't take this lightly. Make sure she never has a way to be in contact with your kid please.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3878.0,"score_ratio":2.8717948718} {"post_id":"4z0biq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[Alabama] Another woman is claiming to have birthed my daughter and told another man he was the father and that I adopted her. Okay, this is going to sound crazy. I found out last night that my ex's ex-girlfriend had saved pictures of my daughter and sent them to one of her other ex-boyfriends, and his mother, telling them that she was actually HER daughter with this other ex-boyfriend and that because she was unable to take care of her, she adopted her out. She used her name, and her photos, but did not use the correct age. She said my daughter was 3, and not 6. This woman had also been talking to my daughter's biological dad (my ex, of course) about potentially dating again to \"see what was there.\" That would have given her access to my child. She had told her other ex that we had an open adoption and he would soon be able to be a part of her life if he cleaned up and got sober and was going to set up a paternity test. Obviously none of this is true. I gave birth to my daughter, she's six years old and not 3. However, I have no idea what her plans were. I don't know if she was just trying to manipulate this boy or if it would have escalated. I found out after the young man who thought he had a daughter showed a mutual friend a picture of \"his little girl\" last night at church. My friend said \"No.... that's -daughtersname- and she's my friend's kid.\" He said \"yes, that's her name, she's 3 and adopted.\" My friend knew that was wrong, obviously and got the whole story and talked to me. How should I proceed, or should I? Can I and should I file a police report about this? Should I talk to a lawyer? I do have screenshots of her telling the supposed \"grandmother\" on facebook about her \"grandchild,\" and using the photos of my daughter in that conversation. That's about the only evidence that I have.","c_root_id_A":"d6s09s8","c_root_id_B":"d6s0y99","created_at_utc_A":1471882950,"created_at_utc_B":1471883832,"score_A":34,"score_B":112,"human_ref_A":"I would call the police and let them know what is going on. You probably don't have enough for a PO, but you will at least start a paper trail of her shenanigans.","human_ref_B":"Get a restraining order on her. Include your kids. This is scary. There was a similar story on Dr. Phil a few months back. The fake mom even printed out pictures of the kids and hung them in her house. Don't take this lightly. Make sure she never has a way to be in contact with your kid please.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":882.0,"score_ratio":3.2941176471} {"post_id":"4z0biq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[Alabama] Another woman is claiming to have birthed my daughter and told another man he was the father and that I adopted her. Okay, this is going to sound crazy. I found out last night that my ex's ex-girlfriend had saved pictures of my daughter and sent them to one of her other ex-boyfriends, and his mother, telling them that she was actually HER daughter with this other ex-boyfriend and that because she was unable to take care of her, she adopted her out. She used her name, and her photos, but did not use the correct age. She said my daughter was 3, and not 6. This woman had also been talking to my daughter's biological dad (my ex, of course) about potentially dating again to \"see what was there.\" That would have given her access to my child. She had told her other ex that we had an open adoption and he would soon be able to be a part of her life if he cleaned up and got sober and was going to set up a paternity test. Obviously none of this is true. I gave birth to my daughter, she's six years old and not 3. However, I have no idea what her plans were. I don't know if she was just trying to manipulate this boy or if it would have escalated. I found out after the young man who thought he had a daughter showed a mutual friend a picture of \"his little girl\" last night at church. My friend said \"No.... that's -daughtersname- and she's my friend's kid.\" He said \"yes, that's her name, she's 3 and adopted.\" My friend knew that was wrong, obviously and got the whole story and talked to me. How should I proceed, or should I? Can I and should I file a police report about this? Should I talk to a lawyer? I do have screenshots of her telling the supposed \"grandmother\" on facebook about her \"grandchild,\" and using the photos of my daughter in that conversation. That's about the only evidence that I have.","c_root_id_A":"d6rz3an","c_root_id_B":"d6ry1xj","created_at_utc_A":1471881371,"created_at_utc_B":1471879954,"score_A":102,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"This isn't legal advice, but I would say maybe lock down your Facebook as much as you can so that no posts are visible to anyone who isn't your on your friends list and all photo albums are hidden. Then make one public post explaining this situation. Don't call her out by name but maybe just say, 'someone is claiming to be the birth mother of my child. This is not true. Yada yada.' and possibly attach a photo if you have one from the hospital the day she was born where you very clearly just gave birth. That way, anyone who is not your friend on Facebook will only see that post when they navigate to your page. She will obviously see it but I imagine anyone she tells about you might also decide to try and cyber stalk and they'll be greeted with that message as well.","human_ref_B":"Do you have a custody order in place? It sounds like you do if your ex has supervised visitation. You may want to look into a modification that prevents him from allowing Crazy Lady to have contact with your daughter. Although, as your ex does only have supervised visitation and seems to have no intention of having anything to do with her, this is probably not necessary at this point. Also, this is not the same as a restraining order. This would be part of the custody order and if he violated it, you could file for contempt and try to have his visitation completely suspended or place further restrictions on any visitation. Save what evidence you have now and anything else you might find later on, including names and contact information of the people she's told this to (\"father\" and \"grandmother\"). If at any point she starts trying to contact you or your daughter, then you would want to start looking into a restraining order. Until then, provide your daughter's school\/daycare with a list of people authorized to pick her up and that no one else may do so. If you have a picture of this woman, provide that to the school as well with specific instructions that she is not allowed around your daughter.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1417.0,"score_ratio":2.6153846154} {"post_id":"4z0biq","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"[Alabama] Another woman is claiming to have birthed my daughter and told another man he was the father and that I adopted her. Okay, this is going to sound crazy. I found out last night that my ex's ex-girlfriend had saved pictures of my daughter and sent them to one of her other ex-boyfriends, and his mother, telling them that she was actually HER daughter with this other ex-boyfriend and that because she was unable to take care of her, she adopted her out. She used her name, and her photos, but did not use the correct age. She said my daughter was 3, and not 6. This woman had also been talking to my daughter's biological dad (my ex, of course) about potentially dating again to \"see what was there.\" That would have given her access to my child. She had told her other ex that we had an open adoption and he would soon be able to be a part of her life if he cleaned up and got sober and was going to set up a paternity test. Obviously none of this is true. I gave birth to my daughter, she's six years old and not 3. However, I have no idea what her plans were. I don't know if she was just trying to manipulate this boy or if it would have escalated. I found out after the young man who thought he had a daughter showed a mutual friend a picture of \"his little girl\" last night at church. My friend said \"No.... that's -daughtersname- and she's my friend's kid.\" He said \"yes, that's her name, she's 3 and adopted.\" My friend knew that was wrong, obviously and got the whole story and talked to me. How should I proceed, or should I? Can I and should I file a police report about this? Should I talk to a lawyer? I do have screenshots of her telling the supposed \"grandmother\" on facebook about her \"grandchild,\" and using the photos of my daughter in that conversation. That's about the only evidence that I have.","c_root_id_A":"d6rzvn0","c_root_id_B":"d6ry1xj","created_at_utc_A":1471882430,"created_at_utc_B":1471879954,"score_A":49,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"I might have missed someone else's comment in this vein, but perhaps it would be a good time to gently reinforce the message to your daughter about not talking to strangers, just in case this woman tries to approach her in some unsuspecting moment. I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this issue.","human_ref_B":"Do you have a custody order in place? It sounds like you do if your ex has supervised visitation. You may want to look into a modification that prevents him from allowing Crazy Lady to have contact with your daughter. Although, as your ex does only have supervised visitation and seems to have no intention of having anything to do with her, this is probably not necessary at this point. Also, this is not the same as a restraining order. This would be part of the custody order and if he violated it, you could file for contempt and try to have his visitation completely suspended or place further restrictions on any visitation. Save what evidence you have now and anything else you might find later on, including names and contact information of the people she's told this to (\"father\" and \"grandmother\"). If at any point she starts trying to contact you or your daughter, then you would want to start looking into a restraining order. Until then, provide your daughter's school\/daycare with a list of people authorized to pick her up and that no one else may do so. If you have a picture of this woman, provide that to the school as well with specific instructions that she is not allowed around your daughter.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2476.0,"score_ratio":1.2564102564} {"post_id":"an4tyr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"[NY] My recently deceased father accidentally put me [23F] as his life insurance beneficiary on one line of one form instead of my mother, his wife [55F] who is listed everywhere else on all other forms as beneficiary, insurance company is insisting that I am legally the beneficiary Hello, this is a bit of a mess. My mother and I both have names that start with the same letter, and my father had a medical condition that made him struggle with remembering the right names and words that was exacerbated by him having gone through MANY surgeries for which he was under general anesthesia throughout his life (note, not what killed him, he died in a freak accident). In 2007, he filled out a form trying to take out a life insurance policy on my mother. Because he was the one filling it out, it required him to list his own policy number and his beneficiary \u2014 in that one spot, he accidentally wrote my name instead of my mother's. When we called to figure out the life insurance in the days after his death, the insurance company claimed that because of that one line, I am the beneficiary instead of my mother. This was the first instance we'd heard anything regarding this form or my being the beneficiary. ​ A few things: 1. We are 100% certain that this was an accident 2. My mother is listed in all other places as his beneficiary 3. He never filled out a change of beneficiary form 4. We were never notified of any change to the beneficiary ​ Is this legal? Is there any way for us to change the beneficiary post-mortem or to fight their claim that I am the legal beneficiary? What options do we have for ensuring my mother's access to the money from the policy that are not illegal or fraudulent?","c_root_id_A":"efqqpcg","c_root_id_B":"efqring","created_at_utc_A":1549307477,"created_at_utc_B":1549308070,"score_A":92,"score_B":105,"human_ref_A":"What\u2019s stopping you from getting the money and giving it to your mother?","human_ref_B":"You can either get the money and hand it over to your mother, or you can refuse the money. If you refuse it, chances are good it will just go directly into the estate, and your mother will inherit it there. If you are concerned about just receiving the money and handing it over to your mother, you should speak with an accountant about how to do so while minimizing any tax consequences.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":593.0,"score_ratio":1.1413043478} {"post_id":"an4tyr","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"[NY] My recently deceased father accidentally put me [23F] as his life insurance beneficiary on one line of one form instead of my mother, his wife [55F] who is listed everywhere else on all other forms as beneficiary, insurance company is insisting that I am legally the beneficiary Hello, this is a bit of a mess. My mother and I both have names that start with the same letter, and my father had a medical condition that made him struggle with remembering the right names and words that was exacerbated by him having gone through MANY surgeries for which he was under general anesthesia throughout his life (note, not what killed him, he died in a freak accident). In 2007, he filled out a form trying to take out a life insurance policy on my mother. Because he was the one filling it out, it required him to list his own policy number and his beneficiary \u2014 in that one spot, he accidentally wrote my name instead of my mother's. When we called to figure out the life insurance in the days after his death, the insurance company claimed that because of that one line, I am the beneficiary instead of my mother. This was the first instance we'd heard anything regarding this form or my being the beneficiary. ​ A few things: 1. We are 100% certain that this was an accident 2. My mother is listed in all other places as his beneficiary 3. He never filled out a change of beneficiary form 4. We were never notified of any change to the beneficiary ​ Is this legal? Is there any way for us to change the beneficiary post-mortem or to fight their claim that I am the legal beneficiary? What options do we have for ensuring my mother's access to the money from the policy that are not illegal or fraudulent?","c_root_id_A":"efr2r1w","c_root_id_B":"efqud67","created_at_utc_A":1549315954,"created_at_utc_B":1549310172,"score_A":13,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Having worked in insurance, who is the contingent beneficiary? If it's your Mom, you could disclaim interest and have it go to the contingent beneficiary. If it's his estate you would want to consult an estate attorney about how to handle. I can say though, if the latest documentation the insurance company has lists you as the beneficiary there really isnt anything you can do. From their perspective that's what your father asked for and there is no way to confirm it's a mistake.","human_ref_B":"Just open an account with the money and give your mom the debit card\/checks with that account.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5782.0,"score_ratio":2.1666666667} {"post_id":"wrg31j","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"(OH) Ex roommate filed an eviction and wants to sue but I no longer live in that house. I have to go to court. Hello, I (22 F) received a packet in the mail yesterday detailing that our ex roommate (28 M) filed an eviction for my previous address that he owns. He also wants to sue for 1400$. For context, I moved into his house two years ago to live with my boyfriend (29 M) and to eventually go to school in the same city that the house was in. I paid 350 a month in rent and helped out with whatever else was needed. I never missed or was late on my rent. There was no legal documentation or lease signed at my move in. We verbally agreed to that amount and to that I could move in. Again, his brother owns the house and he is the one that let me move into it. Living at the house was not fun. It is an old farm house in the middle of the city. Everything needs updated, half of it is in shambles, most rooms are unfinished including the floors, no working furnace or central heat, drafty windows, only one full bath that we weren\u2019t allowed to use, etc. On top of that, he made it very clear he didn\u2019t like me soon after move in. I am not perfect and I have gotten into verbal arguments with him before and I have a cat that is very loud that annoys him. I hadn\u2019t moved out sooner because as much as it sucked living with him, 350 rent was the cheapest I could find anywhere that wasn\u2019t in a horrible area. I was also just starting out when I had moved in. I work 10 hour shifts, 5 days a week and I couldn\u2019t even nap after work because he would be blaring his Tv and shaking the walls with his surround sound. Any time anyone asked him to turn it down it was always a major issue. According to him he owned the house so he could do whatever he wanted. We also ended up updating the living room, painting and finishing it and turned it into our temporary bedroom. Which he was perfectly okay with at first. That was until we were half way through painting the walls and then he decided that he didn\u2019t want us to do anything to it anymore. That was a big issue that I thought was handled and he let us use it anyways. How ever, on top of the eviction, he is now trying to sue me for 1400$ for \u201cproperty damage\u201d. I moved out of this address over a week ago. I haven\u2019t payed rent since July because I was given a notice to leave on July 3rd after a verbal altercation with him. He had people over, blaring music through the house and I asked them to please turn it down. It basically turned into me not being welcome there and was told to leave. So I started looking for places that night. The earliest move in I could get was Aug 8. I was told by some friends that it was okay not to pay rent since he had wanted to evict me. There is a lot more but I\u2019d be writing a book. What can I do about this Reddit? I have plenty of poof of his harassment and me paying my rent on time. I\u2019ve never been to court before and I\u2019m scared this will show on renters history even though I never signed an actual lease. I don\u2019t live there anymore and I haven\u2019t since Aug 8 2022. Can he still file an eviction and sue? What can I do to help my case?","c_root_id_A":"iks2nht","c_root_id_B":"iks1ljp","created_at_utc_A":1660820080,"created_at_utc_B":1660819367,"score_A":196,"score_B":76,"human_ref_A":"Your friends gave you bad advice. As long as you still lived there you owe him rent, even if he gave you notice to leave. As a month to month tenant without a lease he needed to give you 30 days notice to leave, in writing. It does not sound like he did that, but that again would not have changed that you still owe rent until you did leave. Before filing for an eviction he also would have needed to give you a 3-day notice to pay, which it's not clear if he did. So you *may* have some possible defenses against the eviction, for not following the correct process. But you still owe him the rent.","human_ref_B":"> I was told by some friends that it was okay not to pay rent since he had wanted to evict me. This is incorrect. You (almost) always are on the hook for rent up till when you leave or the end of any lease (if alternative tenants cannot be found) From the sounds of things you may be able to claim that because of the loud music you were denied 'peaceful enjoyment' of where you lived but even then you should have paid your rent.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":713.0,"score_ratio":2.5789473684} {"post_id":"wrg31j","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"(OH) Ex roommate filed an eviction and wants to sue but I no longer live in that house. I have to go to court. Hello, I (22 F) received a packet in the mail yesterday detailing that our ex roommate (28 M) filed an eviction for my previous address that he owns. He also wants to sue for 1400$. For context, I moved into his house two years ago to live with my boyfriend (29 M) and to eventually go to school in the same city that the house was in. I paid 350 a month in rent and helped out with whatever else was needed. I never missed or was late on my rent. There was no legal documentation or lease signed at my move in. We verbally agreed to that amount and to that I could move in. Again, his brother owns the house and he is the one that let me move into it. Living at the house was not fun. It is an old farm house in the middle of the city. Everything needs updated, half of it is in shambles, most rooms are unfinished including the floors, no working furnace or central heat, drafty windows, only one full bath that we weren\u2019t allowed to use, etc. On top of that, he made it very clear he didn\u2019t like me soon after move in. I am not perfect and I have gotten into verbal arguments with him before and I have a cat that is very loud that annoys him. I hadn\u2019t moved out sooner because as much as it sucked living with him, 350 rent was the cheapest I could find anywhere that wasn\u2019t in a horrible area. I was also just starting out when I had moved in. I work 10 hour shifts, 5 days a week and I couldn\u2019t even nap after work because he would be blaring his Tv and shaking the walls with his surround sound. Any time anyone asked him to turn it down it was always a major issue. According to him he owned the house so he could do whatever he wanted. We also ended up updating the living room, painting and finishing it and turned it into our temporary bedroom. Which he was perfectly okay with at first. That was until we were half way through painting the walls and then he decided that he didn\u2019t want us to do anything to it anymore. That was a big issue that I thought was handled and he let us use it anyways. How ever, on top of the eviction, he is now trying to sue me for 1400$ for \u201cproperty damage\u201d. I moved out of this address over a week ago. I haven\u2019t payed rent since July because I was given a notice to leave on July 3rd after a verbal altercation with him. He had people over, blaring music through the house and I asked them to please turn it down. It basically turned into me not being welcome there and was told to leave. So I started looking for places that night. The earliest move in I could get was Aug 8. I was told by some friends that it was okay not to pay rent since he had wanted to evict me. There is a lot more but I\u2019d be writing a book. What can I do about this Reddit? I have plenty of poof of his harassment and me paying my rent on time. I\u2019ve never been to court before and I\u2019m scared this will show on renters history even though I never signed an actual lease. I don\u2019t live there anymore and I haven\u2019t since Aug 8 2022. Can he still file an eviction and sue? What can I do to help my case?","c_root_id_A":"iks0uc8","c_root_id_B":"iks2nht","created_at_utc_A":1660818853,"created_at_utc_B":1660820080,"score_A":2,"score_B":196,"human_ref_A":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","human_ref_B":"Your friends gave you bad advice. As long as you still lived there you owe him rent, even if he gave you notice to leave. As a month to month tenant without a lease he needed to give you 30 days notice to leave, in writing. It does not sound like he did that, but that again would not have changed that you still owe rent until you did leave. Before filing for an eviction he also would have needed to give you a 3-day notice to pay, which it's not clear if he did. So you *may* have some possible defenses against the eviction, for not following the correct process. But you still owe him the rent.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1227.0,"score_ratio":98.0} {"post_id":"wrg31j","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"(OH) Ex roommate filed an eviction and wants to sue but I no longer live in that house. I have to go to court. Hello, I (22 F) received a packet in the mail yesterday detailing that our ex roommate (28 M) filed an eviction for my previous address that he owns. He also wants to sue for 1400$. For context, I moved into his house two years ago to live with my boyfriend (29 M) and to eventually go to school in the same city that the house was in. I paid 350 a month in rent and helped out with whatever else was needed. I never missed or was late on my rent. There was no legal documentation or lease signed at my move in. We verbally agreed to that amount and to that I could move in. Again, his brother owns the house and he is the one that let me move into it. Living at the house was not fun. It is an old farm house in the middle of the city. Everything needs updated, half of it is in shambles, most rooms are unfinished including the floors, no working furnace or central heat, drafty windows, only one full bath that we weren\u2019t allowed to use, etc. On top of that, he made it very clear he didn\u2019t like me soon after move in. I am not perfect and I have gotten into verbal arguments with him before and I have a cat that is very loud that annoys him. I hadn\u2019t moved out sooner because as much as it sucked living with him, 350 rent was the cheapest I could find anywhere that wasn\u2019t in a horrible area. I was also just starting out when I had moved in. I work 10 hour shifts, 5 days a week and I couldn\u2019t even nap after work because he would be blaring his Tv and shaking the walls with his surround sound. Any time anyone asked him to turn it down it was always a major issue. According to him he owned the house so he could do whatever he wanted. We also ended up updating the living room, painting and finishing it and turned it into our temporary bedroom. Which he was perfectly okay with at first. That was until we were half way through painting the walls and then he decided that he didn\u2019t want us to do anything to it anymore. That was a big issue that I thought was handled and he let us use it anyways. How ever, on top of the eviction, he is now trying to sue me for 1400$ for \u201cproperty damage\u201d. I moved out of this address over a week ago. I haven\u2019t payed rent since July because I was given a notice to leave on July 3rd after a verbal altercation with him. He had people over, blaring music through the house and I asked them to please turn it down. It basically turned into me not being welcome there and was told to leave. So I started looking for places that night. The earliest move in I could get was Aug 8. I was told by some friends that it was okay not to pay rent since he had wanted to evict me. There is a lot more but I\u2019d be writing a book. What can I do about this Reddit? I have plenty of poof of his harassment and me paying my rent on time. I\u2019ve never been to court before and I\u2019m scared this will show on renters history even though I never signed an actual lease. I don\u2019t live there anymore and I haven\u2019t since Aug 8 2022. Can he still file an eviction and sue? What can I do to help my case?","c_root_id_A":"iks1ljp","c_root_id_B":"iks0uc8","created_at_utc_A":1660819367,"created_at_utc_B":1660818853,"score_A":76,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"> I was told by some friends that it was okay not to pay rent since he had wanted to evict me. This is incorrect. You (almost) always are on the hook for rent up till when you leave or the end of any lease (if alternative tenants cannot be found) From the sounds of things you may be able to claim that because of the loud music you were denied 'peaceful enjoyment' of where you lived but even then you should have paid your rent.","human_ref_B":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":514.0,"score_ratio":38.0} {"post_id":"wrg31j","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"(OH) Ex roommate filed an eviction and wants to sue but I no longer live in that house. I have to go to court. Hello, I (22 F) received a packet in the mail yesterday detailing that our ex roommate (28 M) filed an eviction for my previous address that he owns. He also wants to sue for 1400$. For context, I moved into his house two years ago to live with my boyfriend (29 M) and to eventually go to school in the same city that the house was in. I paid 350 a month in rent and helped out with whatever else was needed. I never missed or was late on my rent. There was no legal documentation or lease signed at my move in. We verbally agreed to that amount and to that I could move in. Again, his brother owns the house and he is the one that let me move into it. Living at the house was not fun. It is an old farm house in the middle of the city. Everything needs updated, half of it is in shambles, most rooms are unfinished including the floors, no working furnace or central heat, drafty windows, only one full bath that we weren\u2019t allowed to use, etc. On top of that, he made it very clear he didn\u2019t like me soon after move in. I am not perfect and I have gotten into verbal arguments with him before and I have a cat that is very loud that annoys him. I hadn\u2019t moved out sooner because as much as it sucked living with him, 350 rent was the cheapest I could find anywhere that wasn\u2019t in a horrible area. I was also just starting out when I had moved in. I work 10 hour shifts, 5 days a week and I couldn\u2019t even nap after work because he would be blaring his Tv and shaking the walls with his surround sound. Any time anyone asked him to turn it down it was always a major issue. According to him he owned the house so he could do whatever he wanted. We also ended up updating the living room, painting and finishing it and turned it into our temporary bedroom. Which he was perfectly okay with at first. That was until we were half way through painting the walls and then he decided that he didn\u2019t want us to do anything to it anymore. That was a big issue that I thought was handled and he let us use it anyways. How ever, on top of the eviction, he is now trying to sue me for 1400$ for \u201cproperty damage\u201d. I moved out of this address over a week ago. I haven\u2019t payed rent since July because I was given a notice to leave on July 3rd after a verbal altercation with him. He had people over, blaring music through the house and I asked them to please turn it down. It basically turned into me not being welcome there and was told to leave. So I started looking for places that night. The earliest move in I could get was Aug 8. I was told by some friends that it was okay not to pay rent since he had wanted to evict me. There is a lot more but I\u2019d be writing a book. What can I do about this Reddit? I have plenty of poof of his harassment and me paying my rent on time. I\u2019ve never been to court before and I\u2019m scared this will show on renters history even though I never signed an actual lease. I don\u2019t live there anymore and I haven\u2019t since Aug 8 2022. Can he still file an eviction and sue? What can I do to help my case?","c_root_id_A":"iksgcus","c_root_id_B":"iksirgb","created_at_utc_A":1660827567,"created_at_utc_B":1660828668,"score_A":14,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"There are several routes to get free legal housing advice depending on your state. I would recommend looking into this before doing anything else. Additionally, you are responsible for rent for every month you lived there - despite being told to move out. Has he filed suit against you? Or was it just an eviction that he filed? You are on the hook for the rent owed for the time you lived there (maybe $350 - maybe $700 - depending on when your rent was due). He may be on the hook for penalties for an improper eviction. You may also be on the hook for damages for failing to complete the painting you referred to. This is a tricky situation. A judge may find that you owe him a certain amount - and that he owes you a certain amount (for the improper eviction). I don't want to give advice on whether or not you should pay a certain amount to avoid court - as court may ultimately benefit you here. If I were in your shoes, I would consider making an offer to the \"landlord\" to drop the suit and eviction in exchange for 1 month's rent ($350). If he does agree to this, get it in writing - and pay him with a check\/money order (not cash). If he doesn't agree, let a judge decide what is owed.","human_ref_B":"There are a couple of issues here, others have already addressed your non-payment so I\u2019m skipping that. First you may be able to argue that he already performed a constructive eviction with his loud music, cooccupancy, repeated verbal disagreements based on him not liking you, and the restricted bathroom access. Secondly depending on your locale you may have some additional rights based on the lack of functioning heat in the rented space as this is considered a habitability issue in many jurisdictions. I recommend since he is already suing you that you seek legal counsel specific to your area as they can truly guide your defense against this retaliation. Your non-payment isn\u2019t helping you but if you\u2019re lucky you may get away with it on some technicalities.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1101.0,"score_ratio":1.7857142857} {"post_id":"wrg31j","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"(OH) Ex roommate filed an eviction and wants to sue but I no longer live in that house. I have to go to court. Hello, I (22 F) received a packet in the mail yesterday detailing that our ex roommate (28 M) filed an eviction for my previous address that he owns. He also wants to sue for 1400$. For context, I moved into his house two years ago to live with my boyfriend (29 M) and to eventually go to school in the same city that the house was in. I paid 350 a month in rent and helped out with whatever else was needed. I never missed or was late on my rent. There was no legal documentation or lease signed at my move in. We verbally agreed to that amount and to that I could move in. Again, his brother owns the house and he is the one that let me move into it. Living at the house was not fun. It is an old farm house in the middle of the city. Everything needs updated, half of it is in shambles, most rooms are unfinished including the floors, no working furnace or central heat, drafty windows, only one full bath that we weren\u2019t allowed to use, etc. On top of that, he made it very clear he didn\u2019t like me soon after move in. I am not perfect and I have gotten into verbal arguments with him before and I have a cat that is very loud that annoys him. I hadn\u2019t moved out sooner because as much as it sucked living with him, 350 rent was the cheapest I could find anywhere that wasn\u2019t in a horrible area. I was also just starting out when I had moved in. I work 10 hour shifts, 5 days a week and I couldn\u2019t even nap after work because he would be blaring his Tv and shaking the walls with his surround sound. Any time anyone asked him to turn it down it was always a major issue. According to him he owned the house so he could do whatever he wanted. We also ended up updating the living room, painting and finishing it and turned it into our temporary bedroom. Which he was perfectly okay with at first. That was until we were half way through painting the walls and then he decided that he didn\u2019t want us to do anything to it anymore. That was a big issue that I thought was handled and he let us use it anyways. How ever, on top of the eviction, he is now trying to sue me for 1400$ for \u201cproperty damage\u201d. I moved out of this address over a week ago. I haven\u2019t payed rent since July because I was given a notice to leave on July 3rd after a verbal altercation with him. He had people over, blaring music through the house and I asked them to please turn it down. It basically turned into me not being welcome there and was told to leave. So I started looking for places that night. The earliest move in I could get was Aug 8. I was told by some friends that it was okay not to pay rent since he had wanted to evict me. There is a lot more but I\u2019d be writing a book. What can I do about this Reddit? I have plenty of poof of his harassment and me paying my rent on time. I\u2019ve never been to court before and I\u2019m scared this will show on renters history even though I never signed an actual lease. I don\u2019t live there anymore and I haven\u2019t since Aug 8 2022. Can he still file an eviction and sue? What can I do to help my case?","c_root_id_A":"iks0uc8","c_root_id_B":"iksirgb","created_at_utc_A":1660818853,"created_at_utc_B":1660828668,"score_A":2,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","human_ref_B":"There are a couple of issues here, others have already addressed your non-payment so I\u2019m skipping that. First you may be able to argue that he already performed a constructive eviction with his loud music, cooccupancy, repeated verbal disagreements based on him not liking you, and the restricted bathroom access. Secondly depending on your locale you may have some additional rights based on the lack of functioning heat in the rented space as this is considered a habitability issue in many jurisdictions. I recommend since he is already suing you that you seek legal counsel specific to your area as they can truly guide your defense against this retaliation. Your non-payment isn\u2019t helping you but if you\u2019re lucky you may get away with it on some technicalities.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9815.0,"score_ratio":12.5} {"post_id":"wrg31j","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"(OH) Ex roommate filed an eviction and wants to sue but I no longer live in that house. I have to go to court. Hello, I (22 F) received a packet in the mail yesterday detailing that our ex roommate (28 M) filed an eviction for my previous address that he owns. He also wants to sue for 1400$. For context, I moved into his house two years ago to live with my boyfriend (29 M) and to eventually go to school in the same city that the house was in. I paid 350 a month in rent and helped out with whatever else was needed. I never missed or was late on my rent. There was no legal documentation or lease signed at my move in. We verbally agreed to that amount and to that I could move in. Again, his brother owns the house and he is the one that let me move into it. Living at the house was not fun. It is an old farm house in the middle of the city. Everything needs updated, half of it is in shambles, most rooms are unfinished including the floors, no working furnace or central heat, drafty windows, only one full bath that we weren\u2019t allowed to use, etc. On top of that, he made it very clear he didn\u2019t like me soon after move in. I am not perfect and I have gotten into verbal arguments with him before and I have a cat that is very loud that annoys him. I hadn\u2019t moved out sooner because as much as it sucked living with him, 350 rent was the cheapest I could find anywhere that wasn\u2019t in a horrible area. I was also just starting out when I had moved in. I work 10 hour shifts, 5 days a week and I couldn\u2019t even nap after work because he would be blaring his Tv and shaking the walls with his surround sound. Any time anyone asked him to turn it down it was always a major issue. According to him he owned the house so he could do whatever he wanted. We also ended up updating the living room, painting and finishing it and turned it into our temporary bedroom. Which he was perfectly okay with at first. That was until we were half way through painting the walls and then he decided that he didn\u2019t want us to do anything to it anymore. That was a big issue that I thought was handled and he let us use it anyways. How ever, on top of the eviction, he is now trying to sue me for 1400$ for \u201cproperty damage\u201d. I moved out of this address over a week ago. I haven\u2019t payed rent since July because I was given a notice to leave on July 3rd after a verbal altercation with him. He had people over, blaring music through the house and I asked them to please turn it down. It basically turned into me not being welcome there and was told to leave. So I started looking for places that night. The earliest move in I could get was Aug 8. I was told by some friends that it was okay not to pay rent since he had wanted to evict me. There is a lot more but I\u2019d be writing a book. What can I do about this Reddit? I have plenty of poof of his harassment and me paying my rent on time. I\u2019ve never been to court before and I\u2019m scared this will show on renters history even though I never signed an actual lease. I don\u2019t live there anymore and I haven\u2019t since Aug 8 2022. Can he still file an eviction and sue? What can I do to help my case?","c_root_id_A":"iksgcus","c_root_id_B":"iks0uc8","created_at_utc_A":1660827567,"created_at_utc_B":1660818853,"score_A":14,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"There are several routes to get free legal housing advice depending on your state. I would recommend looking into this before doing anything else. Additionally, you are responsible for rent for every month you lived there - despite being told to move out. Has he filed suit against you? Or was it just an eviction that he filed? You are on the hook for the rent owed for the time you lived there (maybe $350 - maybe $700 - depending on when your rent was due). He may be on the hook for penalties for an improper eviction. You may also be on the hook for damages for failing to complete the painting you referred to. This is a tricky situation. A judge may find that you owe him a certain amount - and that he owes you a certain amount (for the improper eviction). I don't want to give advice on whether or not you should pay a certain amount to avoid court - as court may ultimately benefit you here. If I were in your shoes, I would consider making an offer to the \"landlord\" to drop the suit and eviction in exchange for 1 month's rent ($350). If he does agree to this, get it in writing - and pay him with a check\/money order (not cash). If he doesn't agree, let a judge decide what is owed.","human_ref_B":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8714.0,"score_ratio":7.0} {"post_id":"wrg31j","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"(OH) Ex roommate filed an eviction and wants to sue but I no longer live in that house. I have to go to court. Hello, I (22 F) received a packet in the mail yesterday detailing that our ex roommate (28 M) filed an eviction for my previous address that he owns. He also wants to sue for 1400$. For context, I moved into his house two years ago to live with my boyfriend (29 M) and to eventually go to school in the same city that the house was in. I paid 350 a month in rent and helped out with whatever else was needed. I never missed or was late on my rent. There was no legal documentation or lease signed at my move in. We verbally agreed to that amount and to that I could move in. Again, his brother owns the house and he is the one that let me move into it. Living at the house was not fun. It is an old farm house in the middle of the city. Everything needs updated, half of it is in shambles, most rooms are unfinished including the floors, no working furnace or central heat, drafty windows, only one full bath that we weren\u2019t allowed to use, etc. On top of that, he made it very clear he didn\u2019t like me soon after move in. I am not perfect and I have gotten into verbal arguments with him before and I have a cat that is very loud that annoys him. I hadn\u2019t moved out sooner because as much as it sucked living with him, 350 rent was the cheapest I could find anywhere that wasn\u2019t in a horrible area. I was also just starting out when I had moved in. I work 10 hour shifts, 5 days a week and I couldn\u2019t even nap after work because he would be blaring his Tv and shaking the walls with his surround sound. Any time anyone asked him to turn it down it was always a major issue. According to him he owned the house so he could do whatever he wanted. We also ended up updating the living room, painting and finishing it and turned it into our temporary bedroom. Which he was perfectly okay with at first. That was until we were half way through painting the walls and then he decided that he didn\u2019t want us to do anything to it anymore. That was a big issue that I thought was handled and he let us use it anyways. How ever, on top of the eviction, he is now trying to sue me for 1400$ for \u201cproperty damage\u201d. I moved out of this address over a week ago. I haven\u2019t payed rent since July because I was given a notice to leave on July 3rd after a verbal altercation with him. He had people over, blaring music through the house and I asked them to please turn it down. It basically turned into me not being welcome there and was told to leave. So I started looking for places that night. The earliest move in I could get was Aug 8. I was told by some friends that it was okay not to pay rent since he had wanted to evict me. There is a lot more but I\u2019d be writing a book. What can I do about this Reddit? I have plenty of poof of his harassment and me paying my rent on time. I\u2019ve never been to court before and I\u2019m scared this will show on renters history even though I never signed an actual lease. I don\u2019t live there anymore and I haven\u2019t since Aug 8 2022. Can he still file an eviction and sue? What can I do to help my case?","c_root_id_A":"ikt8o4l","c_root_id_B":"iksrgoe","created_at_utc_A":1660839192,"created_at_utc_B":1660832339,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Ohio Renter here. I was in a similar situation where I had moved out before the landlord filed for eviction. You WILL have to go to court and deal with this like I did. However mine was treated as two separate things. One was the eviction and the magistrate dismissed that as it was not needed due to me already releasing the property back to the landlord. Second, was the money, I was able to prove that I left the location in better shape then when i moved in. You will need to bring any and all documentation to counter his claims that you owe him money. This is one of those situations where you might want to have legal counsel with you for this. Depending on where you are at and if you are still in College\/School you might check in to see if they have some form of student legal services who have probably already dealt with similar situations.","human_ref_B":"You don't need Reddit's advice, you NEED a lawyers advise. Start calling around right now for one specializing in tenant rights.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6853.0,"score_ratio":2.25} {"post_id":"wrg31j","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"(OH) Ex roommate filed an eviction and wants to sue but I no longer live in that house. I have to go to court. Hello, I (22 F) received a packet in the mail yesterday detailing that our ex roommate (28 M) filed an eviction for my previous address that he owns. He also wants to sue for 1400$. For context, I moved into his house two years ago to live with my boyfriend (29 M) and to eventually go to school in the same city that the house was in. I paid 350 a month in rent and helped out with whatever else was needed. I never missed or was late on my rent. There was no legal documentation or lease signed at my move in. We verbally agreed to that amount and to that I could move in. Again, his brother owns the house and he is the one that let me move into it. Living at the house was not fun. It is an old farm house in the middle of the city. Everything needs updated, half of it is in shambles, most rooms are unfinished including the floors, no working furnace or central heat, drafty windows, only one full bath that we weren\u2019t allowed to use, etc. On top of that, he made it very clear he didn\u2019t like me soon after move in. I am not perfect and I have gotten into verbal arguments with him before and I have a cat that is very loud that annoys him. I hadn\u2019t moved out sooner because as much as it sucked living with him, 350 rent was the cheapest I could find anywhere that wasn\u2019t in a horrible area. I was also just starting out when I had moved in. I work 10 hour shifts, 5 days a week and I couldn\u2019t even nap after work because he would be blaring his Tv and shaking the walls with his surround sound. Any time anyone asked him to turn it down it was always a major issue. According to him he owned the house so he could do whatever he wanted. We also ended up updating the living room, painting and finishing it and turned it into our temporary bedroom. Which he was perfectly okay with at first. That was until we were half way through painting the walls and then he decided that he didn\u2019t want us to do anything to it anymore. That was a big issue that I thought was handled and he let us use it anyways. How ever, on top of the eviction, he is now trying to sue me for 1400$ for \u201cproperty damage\u201d. I moved out of this address over a week ago. I haven\u2019t payed rent since July because I was given a notice to leave on July 3rd after a verbal altercation with him. He had people over, blaring music through the house and I asked them to please turn it down. It basically turned into me not being welcome there and was told to leave. So I started looking for places that night. The earliest move in I could get was Aug 8. I was told by some friends that it was okay not to pay rent since he had wanted to evict me. There is a lot more but I\u2019d be writing a book. What can I do about this Reddit? I have plenty of poof of his harassment and me paying my rent on time. I\u2019ve never been to court before and I\u2019m scared this will show on renters history even though I never signed an actual lease. I don\u2019t live there anymore and I haven\u2019t since Aug 8 2022. Can he still file an eviction and sue? What can I do to help my case?","c_root_id_A":"iksvxyh","c_root_id_B":"ikt8o4l","created_at_utc_A":1660834110,"created_at_utc_B":1660839192,"score_A":4,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"I would say your longer-term problem is that there is an eviction filing on the record. You want that dealt with in a way that won't haunt you. It's likely worth getting a lawyer for that.","human_ref_B":"Ohio Renter here. I was in a similar situation where I had moved out before the landlord filed for eviction. You WILL have to go to court and deal with this like I did. However mine was treated as two separate things. One was the eviction and the magistrate dismissed that as it was not needed due to me already releasing the property back to the landlord. Second, was the money, I was able to prove that I left the location in better shape then when i moved in. You will need to bring any and all documentation to counter his claims that you owe him money. This is one of those situations where you might want to have legal counsel with you for this. Depending on where you are at and if you are still in College\/School you might check in to see if they have some form of student legal services who have probably already dealt with similar situations.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5082.0,"score_ratio":2.25} {"post_id":"wrg31j","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"(OH) Ex roommate filed an eviction and wants to sue but I no longer live in that house. I have to go to court. Hello, I (22 F) received a packet in the mail yesterday detailing that our ex roommate (28 M) filed an eviction for my previous address that he owns. He also wants to sue for 1400$. For context, I moved into his house two years ago to live with my boyfriend (29 M) and to eventually go to school in the same city that the house was in. I paid 350 a month in rent and helped out with whatever else was needed. I never missed or was late on my rent. There was no legal documentation or lease signed at my move in. We verbally agreed to that amount and to that I could move in. Again, his brother owns the house and he is the one that let me move into it. Living at the house was not fun. It is an old farm house in the middle of the city. Everything needs updated, half of it is in shambles, most rooms are unfinished including the floors, no working furnace or central heat, drafty windows, only one full bath that we weren\u2019t allowed to use, etc. On top of that, he made it very clear he didn\u2019t like me soon after move in. I am not perfect and I have gotten into verbal arguments with him before and I have a cat that is very loud that annoys him. I hadn\u2019t moved out sooner because as much as it sucked living with him, 350 rent was the cheapest I could find anywhere that wasn\u2019t in a horrible area. I was also just starting out when I had moved in. I work 10 hour shifts, 5 days a week and I couldn\u2019t even nap after work because he would be blaring his Tv and shaking the walls with his surround sound. Any time anyone asked him to turn it down it was always a major issue. According to him he owned the house so he could do whatever he wanted. We also ended up updating the living room, painting and finishing it and turned it into our temporary bedroom. Which he was perfectly okay with at first. That was until we were half way through painting the walls and then he decided that he didn\u2019t want us to do anything to it anymore. That was a big issue that I thought was handled and he let us use it anyways. How ever, on top of the eviction, he is now trying to sue me for 1400$ for \u201cproperty damage\u201d. I moved out of this address over a week ago. I haven\u2019t payed rent since July because I was given a notice to leave on July 3rd after a verbal altercation with him. He had people over, blaring music through the house and I asked them to please turn it down. It basically turned into me not being welcome there and was told to leave. So I started looking for places that night. The earliest move in I could get was Aug 8. I was told by some friends that it was okay not to pay rent since he had wanted to evict me. There is a lot more but I\u2019d be writing a book. What can I do about this Reddit? I have plenty of poof of his harassment and me paying my rent on time. I\u2019ve never been to court before and I\u2019m scared this will show on renters history even though I never signed an actual lease. I don\u2019t live there anymore and I haven\u2019t since Aug 8 2022. Can he still file an eviction and sue? What can I do to help my case?","c_root_id_A":"ikt8o4l","c_root_id_B":"iks0uc8","created_at_utc_A":1660839192,"created_at_utc_B":1660818853,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Ohio Renter here. I was in a similar situation where I had moved out before the landlord filed for eviction. You WILL have to go to court and deal with this like I did. However mine was treated as two separate things. One was the eviction and the magistrate dismissed that as it was not needed due to me already releasing the property back to the landlord. Second, was the money, I was able to prove that I left the location in better shape then when i moved in. You will need to bring any and all documentation to counter his claims that you owe him money. This is one of those situations where you might want to have legal counsel with you for this. Depending on where you are at and if you are still in College\/School you might check in to see if they have some form of student legal services who have probably already dealt with similar situations.","human_ref_B":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20339.0,"score_ratio":4.5} {"post_id":"wrg31j","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"(OH) Ex roommate filed an eviction and wants to sue but I no longer live in that house. I have to go to court. Hello, I (22 F) received a packet in the mail yesterday detailing that our ex roommate (28 M) filed an eviction for my previous address that he owns. He also wants to sue for 1400$. For context, I moved into his house two years ago to live with my boyfriend (29 M) and to eventually go to school in the same city that the house was in. I paid 350 a month in rent and helped out with whatever else was needed. I never missed or was late on my rent. There was no legal documentation or lease signed at my move in. We verbally agreed to that amount and to that I could move in. Again, his brother owns the house and he is the one that let me move into it. Living at the house was not fun. It is an old farm house in the middle of the city. Everything needs updated, half of it is in shambles, most rooms are unfinished including the floors, no working furnace or central heat, drafty windows, only one full bath that we weren\u2019t allowed to use, etc. On top of that, he made it very clear he didn\u2019t like me soon after move in. I am not perfect and I have gotten into verbal arguments with him before and I have a cat that is very loud that annoys him. I hadn\u2019t moved out sooner because as much as it sucked living with him, 350 rent was the cheapest I could find anywhere that wasn\u2019t in a horrible area. I was also just starting out when I had moved in. I work 10 hour shifts, 5 days a week and I couldn\u2019t even nap after work because he would be blaring his Tv and shaking the walls with his surround sound. Any time anyone asked him to turn it down it was always a major issue. According to him he owned the house so he could do whatever he wanted. We also ended up updating the living room, painting and finishing it and turned it into our temporary bedroom. Which he was perfectly okay with at first. That was until we were half way through painting the walls and then he decided that he didn\u2019t want us to do anything to it anymore. That was a big issue that I thought was handled and he let us use it anyways. How ever, on top of the eviction, he is now trying to sue me for 1400$ for \u201cproperty damage\u201d. I moved out of this address over a week ago. I haven\u2019t payed rent since July because I was given a notice to leave on July 3rd after a verbal altercation with him. He had people over, blaring music through the house and I asked them to please turn it down. It basically turned into me not being welcome there and was told to leave. So I started looking for places that night. The earliest move in I could get was Aug 8. I was told by some friends that it was okay not to pay rent since he had wanted to evict me. There is a lot more but I\u2019d be writing a book. What can I do about this Reddit? I have plenty of poof of his harassment and me paying my rent on time. I\u2019ve never been to court before and I\u2019m scared this will show on renters history even though I never signed an actual lease. I don\u2019t live there anymore and I haven\u2019t since Aug 8 2022. Can he still file an eviction and sue? What can I do to help my case?","c_root_id_A":"iksrgoe","c_root_id_B":"iks0uc8","created_at_utc_A":1660832339,"created_at_utc_B":1660818853,"score_A":4,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You don't need Reddit's advice, you NEED a lawyers advise. Start calling around right now for one specializing in tenant rights.","human_ref_B":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13486.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"wrg31j","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"(OH) Ex roommate filed an eviction and wants to sue but I no longer live in that house. I have to go to court. Hello, I (22 F) received a packet in the mail yesterday detailing that our ex roommate (28 M) filed an eviction for my previous address that he owns. He also wants to sue for 1400$. For context, I moved into his house two years ago to live with my boyfriend (29 M) and to eventually go to school in the same city that the house was in. I paid 350 a month in rent and helped out with whatever else was needed. I never missed or was late on my rent. There was no legal documentation or lease signed at my move in. We verbally agreed to that amount and to that I could move in. Again, his brother owns the house and he is the one that let me move into it. Living at the house was not fun. It is an old farm house in the middle of the city. Everything needs updated, half of it is in shambles, most rooms are unfinished including the floors, no working furnace or central heat, drafty windows, only one full bath that we weren\u2019t allowed to use, etc. On top of that, he made it very clear he didn\u2019t like me soon after move in. I am not perfect and I have gotten into verbal arguments with him before and I have a cat that is very loud that annoys him. I hadn\u2019t moved out sooner because as much as it sucked living with him, 350 rent was the cheapest I could find anywhere that wasn\u2019t in a horrible area. I was also just starting out when I had moved in. I work 10 hour shifts, 5 days a week and I couldn\u2019t even nap after work because he would be blaring his Tv and shaking the walls with his surround sound. Any time anyone asked him to turn it down it was always a major issue. According to him he owned the house so he could do whatever he wanted. We also ended up updating the living room, painting and finishing it and turned it into our temporary bedroom. Which he was perfectly okay with at first. That was until we were half way through painting the walls and then he decided that he didn\u2019t want us to do anything to it anymore. That was a big issue that I thought was handled and he let us use it anyways. How ever, on top of the eviction, he is now trying to sue me for 1400$ for \u201cproperty damage\u201d. I moved out of this address over a week ago. I haven\u2019t payed rent since July because I was given a notice to leave on July 3rd after a verbal altercation with him. He had people over, blaring music through the house and I asked them to please turn it down. It basically turned into me not being welcome there and was told to leave. So I started looking for places that night. The earliest move in I could get was Aug 8. I was told by some friends that it was okay not to pay rent since he had wanted to evict me. There is a lot more but I\u2019d be writing a book. What can I do about this Reddit? I have plenty of poof of his harassment and me paying my rent on time. I\u2019ve never been to court before and I\u2019m scared this will show on renters history even though I never signed an actual lease. I don\u2019t live there anymore and I haven\u2019t since Aug 8 2022. Can he still file an eviction and sue? What can I do to help my case?","c_root_id_A":"iks0uc8","c_root_id_B":"iksvxyh","created_at_utc_A":1660818853,"created_at_utc_B":1660834110,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","human_ref_B":"I would say your longer-term problem is that there is an eviction filing on the record. You want that dealt with in a way that won't haunt you. It's likely worth getting a lawyer for that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15257.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"if2fh8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Neighbors from hell. Thanks for taking the time to read. I have been in my home for three years, and before us, my brother in law lived here for 5. I am now continuing the battle with the Garbage Humans directly next door to us. The police are here multiple times a month to deal with them. As an example, in the past week we have had the fire and police here for two incidents. In the first, they were burning furniture in the backyard. We are located in the city, and the houses are ten feet apart at best. The yards are about .4 acre. Last night around 8pm, as I was sitting in my living room and was suddenly blinded by a flash and resounding thunderous boom (my husband guesses no less than a quarter stick of dynamite) and immediately stepped outside to see GN (garbage neighbors) on the front porch, and the front lawn was smoking. GN scampered back into their house like cockroaches. The neighborhood poured out of their houses to see what had happened. We all called 911. The police and fire responded. Once again nothing was done on their end. I am at my wit's end. I am constantly verbally assaulted on my own property. I'm afraid to let my children play in the yard for fear of them stepping on broken glass or finding a stray fentanyl baggie. They are renters, but I believe my favorite neighbors have traced the house to a relative. I own my home and it is paid for. I have the name, phone number, and address of almost everyone on the street for 7 houses in either direction and will be collecting signatures calling for GN to be removed. We will be attending the next town meeting with this information. What other information do I have the right to? Finding the landlord? Contacting that person? Can I request the 911 log of how many calls and when were made about the residence? I've started a notebook to keep track of anything I can record on my own. What legal course do I have here? We are in NY. Is there anything to be done or am I chasing a foolish dream? Do we sell and move? The police have suggested to call them for anything and everything, but continue to do nothing. No citations, no nothing. Please help. TL:DR How to handle the neighborhood scourge.","c_root_id_A":"g2l0ajz","c_root_id_B":"g2l0gp7","created_at_utc_A":1598190810,"created_at_utc_B":1598190922,"score_A":17,"score_B":44,"human_ref_A":"You can request a listing of calls for service to the GN address from the police under the freedom of information act. I don\u2019t know if it will help you in any way, but generally unless the call is for a domestic, call notes and even reports will be released to you without you without a lot of questions. I would definitely suggest you contact the actual owners of the property and make sure they know that their property is in danger because of these people. Blowing stuff up in the yard is very much a hazard to the house and those around it. They can\u2019t get evicted during Covid, but this too shall end.","human_ref_B":"Does your municipality have nuisance laws? Some do. Basically, if the police are called to an address a certain number of times, they can seize the property as a public nuisance and revoke the certificate of occupancy. It usually takes some wrangling, but it might be enough to scare the landlord. Also, speak to a lawyer. They are infringing on your right of peaceful occupancy, and some actions may constitute harassment. If they are renters, make it more annoying to the landlord than the rent is worth.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":112.0,"score_ratio":2.5882352941} {"post_id":"if2fh8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Neighbors from hell. Thanks for taking the time to read. I have been in my home for three years, and before us, my brother in law lived here for 5. I am now continuing the battle with the Garbage Humans directly next door to us. The police are here multiple times a month to deal with them. As an example, in the past week we have had the fire and police here for two incidents. In the first, they were burning furniture in the backyard. We are located in the city, and the houses are ten feet apart at best. The yards are about .4 acre. Last night around 8pm, as I was sitting in my living room and was suddenly blinded by a flash and resounding thunderous boom (my husband guesses no less than a quarter stick of dynamite) and immediately stepped outside to see GN (garbage neighbors) on the front porch, and the front lawn was smoking. GN scampered back into their house like cockroaches. The neighborhood poured out of their houses to see what had happened. We all called 911. The police and fire responded. Once again nothing was done on their end. I am at my wit's end. I am constantly verbally assaulted on my own property. I'm afraid to let my children play in the yard for fear of them stepping on broken glass or finding a stray fentanyl baggie. They are renters, but I believe my favorite neighbors have traced the house to a relative. I own my home and it is paid for. I have the name, phone number, and address of almost everyone on the street for 7 houses in either direction and will be collecting signatures calling for GN to be removed. We will be attending the next town meeting with this information. What other information do I have the right to? Finding the landlord? Contacting that person? Can I request the 911 log of how many calls and when were made about the residence? I've started a notebook to keep track of anything I can record on my own. What legal course do I have here? We are in NY. Is there anything to be done or am I chasing a foolish dream? Do we sell and move? The police have suggested to call them for anything and everything, but continue to do nothing. No citations, no nothing. Please help. TL:DR How to handle the neighborhood scourge.","c_root_id_A":"g2l6jvt","c_root_id_B":"g2l0ajz","created_at_utc_A":1598193982,"created_at_utc_B":1598190810,"score_A":24,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"What is the condition of the yard? I live in NJ, and, when we had a garbage neighbor completely stop taking care of his yard (the grass was as high as my hips, among other things), as a last resort, I called the Zoning Board and they got it rolling so he eventually was evicted.","human_ref_B":"You can request a listing of calls for service to the GN address from the police under the freedom of information act. I don\u2019t know if it will help you in any way, but generally unless the call is for a domestic, call notes and even reports will be released to you without you without a lot of questions. I would definitely suggest you contact the actual owners of the property and make sure they know that their property is in danger because of these people. Blowing stuff up in the yard is very much a hazard to the house and those around it. They can\u2019t get evicted during Covid, but this too shall end.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3172.0,"score_ratio":1.4117647059} {"post_id":"if2fh8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Neighbors from hell. Thanks for taking the time to read. I have been in my home for three years, and before us, my brother in law lived here for 5. I am now continuing the battle with the Garbage Humans directly next door to us. The police are here multiple times a month to deal with them. As an example, in the past week we have had the fire and police here for two incidents. In the first, they were burning furniture in the backyard. We are located in the city, and the houses are ten feet apart at best. The yards are about .4 acre. Last night around 8pm, as I was sitting in my living room and was suddenly blinded by a flash and resounding thunderous boom (my husband guesses no less than a quarter stick of dynamite) and immediately stepped outside to see GN (garbage neighbors) on the front porch, and the front lawn was smoking. GN scampered back into their house like cockroaches. The neighborhood poured out of their houses to see what had happened. We all called 911. The police and fire responded. Once again nothing was done on their end. I am at my wit's end. I am constantly verbally assaulted on my own property. I'm afraid to let my children play in the yard for fear of them stepping on broken glass or finding a stray fentanyl baggie. They are renters, but I believe my favorite neighbors have traced the house to a relative. I own my home and it is paid for. I have the name, phone number, and address of almost everyone on the street for 7 houses in either direction and will be collecting signatures calling for GN to be removed. We will be attending the next town meeting with this information. What other information do I have the right to? Finding the landlord? Contacting that person? Can I request the 911 log of how many calls and when were made about the residence? I've started a notebook to keep track of anything I can record on my own. What legal course do I have here? We are in NY. Is there anything to be done or am I chasing a foolish dream? Do we sell and move? The police have suggested to call them for anything and everything, but continue to do nothing. No citations, no nothing. Please help. TL:DR How to handle the neighborhood scourge.","c_root_id_A":"g2l6jvt","c_root_id_B":"g2l2ukz","created_at_utc_A":1598193982,"created_at_utc_B":1598192138,"score_A":24,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"What is the condition of the yard? I live in NJ, and, when we had a garbage neighbor completely stop taking care of his yard (the grass was as high as my hips, among other things), as a last resort, I called the Zoning Board and they got it rolling so he eventually was evicted.","human_ref_B":"Check your county tax records for the owners- this could be online.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1844.0,"score_ratio":3.0} {"post_id":"if2fh8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Neighbors from hell. Thanks for taking the time to read. I have been in my home for three years, and before us, my brother in law lived here for 5. I am now continuing the battle with the Garbage Humans directly next door to us. The police are here multiple times a month to deal with them. As an example, in the past week we have had the fire and police here for two incidents. In the first, they were burning furniture in the backyard. We are located in the city, and the houses are ten feet apart at best. The yards are about .4 acre. Last night around 8pm, as I was sitting in my living room and was suddenly blinded by a flash and resounding thunderous boom (my husband guesses no less than a quarter stick of dynamite) and immediately stepped outside to see GN (garbage neighbors) on the front porch, and the front lawn was smoking. GN scampered back into their house like cockroaches. The neighborhood poured out of their houses to see what had happened. We all called 911. The police and fire responded. Once again nothing was done on their end. I am at my wit's end. I am constantly verbally assaulted on my own property. I'm afraid to let my children play in the yard for fear of them stepping on broken glass or finding a stray fentanyl baggie. They are renters, but I believe my favorite neighbors have traced the house to a relative. I own my home and it is paid for. I have the name, phone number, and address of almost everyone on the street for 7 houses in either direction and will be collecting signatures calling for GN to be removed. We will be attending the next town meeting with this information. What other information do I have the right to? Finding the landlord? Contacting that person? Can I request the 911 log of how many calls and when were made about the residence? I've started a notebook to keep track of anything I can record on my own. What legal course do I have here? We are in NY. Is there anything to be done or am I chasing a foolish dream? Do we sell and move? The police have suggested to call them for anything and everything, but continue to do nothing. No citations, no nothing. Please help. TL:DR How to handle the neighborhood scourge.","c_root_id_A":"g2l8aqp","c_root_id_B":"g2l2ukz","created_at_utc_A":1598194784,"created_at_utc_B":1598192138,"score_A":15,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"It sounds like you need to make friends with the fire department... see if they can determine that any of these multiple fires they have\/will set are a danger to the surrounding homes. This may be enough to file a nuisance complaint with the owner of the property and see if they will willing evict them...","human_ref_B":"Check your county tax records for the owners- this could be online.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2646.0,"score_ratio":1.875} {"post_id":"if2fh8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Neighbors from hell. Thanks for taking the time to read. I have been in my home for three years, and before us, my brother in law lived here for 5. I am now continuing the battle with the Garbage Humans directly next door to us. The police are here multiple times a month to deal with them. As an example, in the past week we have had the fire and police here for two incidents. In the first, they were burning furniture in the backyard. We are located in the city, and the houses are ten feet apart at best. The yards are about .4 acre. Last night around 8pm, as I was sitting in my living room and was suddenly blinded by a flash and resounding thunderous boom (my husband guesses no less than a quarter stick of dynamite) and immediately stepped outside to see GN (garbage neighbors) on the front porch, and the front lawn was smoking. GN scampered back into their house like cockroaches. The neighborhood poured out of their houses to see what had happened. We all called 911. The police and fire responded. Once again nothing was done on their end. I am at my wit's end. I am constantly verbally assaulted on my own property. I'm afraid to let my children play in the yard for fear of them stepping on broken glass or finding a stray fentanyl baggie. They are renters, but I believe my favorite neighbors have traced the house to a relative. I own my home and it is paid for. I have the name, phone number, and address of almost everyone on the street for 7 houses in either direction and will be collecting signatures calling for GN to be removed. We will be attending the next town meeting with this information. What other information do I have the right to? Finding the landlord? Contacting that person? Can I request the 911 log of how many calls and when were made about the residence? I've started a notebook to keep track of anything I can record on my own. What legal course do I have here? We are in NY. Is there anything to be done or am I chasing a foolish dream? Do we sell and move? The police have suggested to call them for anything and everything, but continue to do nothing. No citations, no nothing. Please help. TL:DR How to handle the neighborhood scourge.","c_root_id_A":"g2l2ukz","c_root_id_B":"g2lk1mu","created_at_utc_A":1598192138,"created_at_utc_B":1598200056,"score_A":8,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Check your county tax records for the owners- this could be online.","human_ref_B":"Do what the police suggested, call them for anything and everything. Since drugs are involved, they may be building a case against them and planning to get them in a large-scale operation with lots of the supply chain at a later date. Have you mentioned the drug-related trash in the yard to the police?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7918.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"if2fh8","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"Neighbors from hell. Thanks for taking the time to read. I have been in my home for three years, and before us, my brother in law lived here for 5. I am now continuing the battle with the Garbage Humans directly next door to us. The police are here multiple times a month to deal with them. As an example, in the past week we have had the fire and police here for two incidents. In the first, they were burning furniture in the backyard. We are located in the city, and the houses are ten feet apart at best. The yards are about .4 acre. Last night around 8pm, as I was sitting in my living room and was suddenly blinded by a flash and resounding thunderous boom (my husband guesses no less than a quarter stick of dynamite) and immediately stepped outside to see GN (garbage neighbors) on the front porch, and the front lawn was smoking. GN scampered back into their house like cockroaches. The neighborhood poured out of their houses to see what had happened. We all called 911. The police and fire responded. Once again nothing was done on their end. I am at my wit's end. I am constantly verbally assaulted on my own property. I'm afraid to let my children play in the yard for fear of them stepping on broken glass or finding a stray fentanyl baggie. They are renters, but I believe my favorite neighbors have traced the house to a relative. I own my home and it is paid for. I have the name, phone number, and address of almost everyone on the street for 7 houses in either direction and will be collecting signatures calling for GN to be removed. We will be attending the next town meeting with this information. What other information do I have the right to? Finding the landlord? Contacting that person? Can I request the 911 log of how many calls and when were made about the residence? I've started a notebook to keep track of anything I can record on my own. What legal course do I have here? We are in NY. Is there anything to be done or am I chasing a foolish dream? Do we sell and move? The police have suggested to call them for anything and everything, but continue to do nothing. No citations, no nothing. Please help. TL:DR How to handle the neighborhood scourge.","c_root_id_A":"g2l2ukz","c_root_id_B":"g2lpbb2","created_at_utc_A":1598192138,"created_at_utc_B":1598202566,"score_A":8,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Check your county tax records for the owners- this could be online.","human_ref_B":"You can call your cities code enforcement to inspect the home. Depending on the state of the house it could be a health hazard. If the nextdoor renters are indeed leaving needles and other paraphernalia, you can report that to the police; you may want to have an outdoor security camera to have evidence that it is indeed the neighbors and not someone else leaving drugs on your property. As for the explosive, I'm surprised that the police were uninterested. I believe the ATF investigates illegally made explosives (m-80s, cherry bombs, etc). The AFT site (https:\/\/www.atf.gov\/explosives\/fireworks) has their hotline number at the bottom.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10428.0,"score_ratio":1.25} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbda4nr","c_root_id_B":"gbd99wm","created_at_utc_A":1604685601,"created_at_utc_B":1604685208,"score_A":83,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"So basically, this is a shitty situation. If you have collision coverage, file a claim with your insurance company. You'll have to pay your deductible, but if they can recover it from the other driver then they'll pay you back. If you don't have collision coverage, your only option is to personally sue the other driver. They have voided their coverage by not cooperating with their insurance company, so their insurance company will not defend them or pay for the claim. This might actually make it harder to collect if they just don't have the money. You also will have to pay for the attorney yourself, no lawyer is going to take a case without bodily injury on a contingency basis. It might end up being more expensive than just paying to fix your vehicle would be.","human_ref_B":"The other driver must cooperate with their own insurance company. If they don't their insurance can deny coverage. You need to get a copy of the denial letter from the other driver's insurance and provide it to your insurance company. If you have umpd (uninsured motorist property damage) coverage you can use it and then your insurance company will pursue the other driver for payment. If you don't have umpd you'll have to use collision coverage and then your insurance company will still pursue the other driver and try to get your deductible back If you have no umpd and no collision coverage then you will have to sue them in small business claims court yourself","labels":1,"seconds_difference":393.0,"score_ratio":20.75} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbdba8l","c_root_id_B":"gbdjc07","created_at_utc_A":1604686136,"created_at_utc_B":1604689936,"score_A":5,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"This isnt really that uncommon. The insurance company HAS to verify the facts of the accident with their insured. How do you know the person who owns the car isnt out of the country and their car was stolen while they were gone? This is an example of a situation where the insurance company if they paid out on the claim would be subject to a bad faith lawsuit. Your options now are to use your own coverages if you have it, or if you dont have coverage on your own policy then you would need to sue the person who hit you in small claims court. Nothing else can be done, the other insurance isnt going to pay out if they dont hear from their insured.","human_ref_B":"Sadly, there's not much they can do to get their insured to cooperate with them. It's standard that if they cant properly investigate that they have to deny your claim based on that. It doesn't negate the other party's fault or responsibility, they just cant pay the claim. One time i actually called one of my clients and told them that they will be cancelled at renewal if they don't respond, and the insurer does have the right to non-renew them because of non-compliance with the contract. Hopefully you have coverage for collision and can proceed with a claim and your insurance company will be able to subrogate back your claim payment and your collision deductible. Im sorry this is happening to you. If they have a local agent, perhaps they might contact their client for you and explain to them that your carrier will be pursuing the claim via legal channels and also they will most likely face non-renewal on their coverage. I am a licensed agent in Texas.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3800.0,"score_ratio":3.2} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbdjc07","c_root_id_B":"gbd99wm","created_at_utc_A":1604689936,"created_at_utc_B":1604685208,"score_A":16,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Sadly, there's not much they can do to get their insured to cooperate with them. It's standard that if they cant properly investigate that they have to deny your claim based on that. It doesn't negate the other party's fault or responsibility, they just cant pay the claim. One time i actually called one of my clients and told them that they will be cancelled at renewal if they don't respond, and the insurer does have the right to non-renew them because of non-compliance with the contract. Hopefully you have coverage for collision and can proceed with a claim and your insurance company will be able to subrogate back your claim payment and your collision deductible. Im sorry this is happening to you. If they have a local agent, perhaps they might contact their client for you and explain to them that your carrier will be pursuing the claim via legal channels and also they will most likely face non-renewal on their coverage. I am a licensed agent in Texas.","human_ref_B":"The other driver must cooperate with their own insurance company. If they don't their insurance can deny coverage. You need to get a copy of the denial letter from the other driver's insurance and provide it to your insurance company. If you have umpd (uninsured motorist property damage) coverage you can use it and then your insurance company will pursue the other driver for payment. If you don't have umpd you'll have to use collision coverage and then your insurance company will still pursue the other driver and try to get your deductible back If you have no umpd and no collision coverage then you will have to sue them in small business claims court yourself","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4728.0,"score_ratio":4.0} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbdba8l","c_root_id_B":"gbe0wyn","created_at_utc_A":1604686136,"created_at_utc_B":1604698265,"score_A":5,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"This isnt really that uncommon. The insurance company HAS to verify the facts of the accident with their insured. How do you know the person who owns the car isnt out of the country and their car was stolen while they were gone? This is an example of a situation where the insurance company if they paid out on the claim would be subject to a bad faith lawsuit. Your options now are to use your own coverages if you have it, or if you dont have coverage on your own policy then you would need to sue the person who hit you in small claims court. Nothing else can be done, the other insurance isnt going to pay out if they dont hear from their insured.","human_ref_B":"Always deal with your insurance. As it wasn't your fault it wont increase your rates. People have a misunderstanding of how to deal with car insurance. Always contact and let your insurance deal with the other drivers insurance. You pay your insurance and they're there to advocate for you. The other persons insurance is there for the other driver. Their job is to be there for him. If you are not at fault and have full coverage your insurance will pay to fix your vehicle. They then will go after the at fault drivers insurance (or if no insurance directly after the driver) for reimbursement. Your insurance rates aren't effected, even if your insurance doesn't end up getting paid back.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":12129.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbd99wm","c_root_id_B":"gbe0wyn","created_at_utc_A":1604685208,"created_at_utc_B":1604698265,"score_A":4,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"The other driver must cooperate with their own insurance company. If they don't their insurance can deny coverage. You need to get a copy of the denial letter from the other driver's insurance and provide it to your insurance company. If you have umpd (uninsured motorist property damage) coverage you can use it and then your insurance company will pursue the other driver for payment. If you don't have umpd you'll have to use collision coverage and then your insurance company will still pursue the other driver and try to get your deductible back If you have no umpd and no collision coverage then you will have to sue them in small business claims court yourself","human_ref_B":"Always deal with your insurance. As it wasn't your fault it wont increase your rates. People have a misunderstanding of how to deal with car insurance. Always contact and let your insurance deal with the other drivers insurance. You pay your insurance and they're there to advocate for you. The other persons insurance is there for the other driver. Their job is to be there for him. If you are not at fault and have full coverage your insurance will pay to fix your vehicle. They then will go after the at fault drivers insurance (or if no insurance directly after the driver) for reimbursement. Your insurance rates aren't effected, even if your insurance doesn't end up getting paid back.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13057.0,"score_ratio":2.5} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbdba8l","c_root_id_B":"gbeftzh","created_at_utc_A":1604686136,"created_at_utc_B":1604705973,"score_A":5,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"This isnt really that uncommon. The insurance company HAS to verify the facts of the accident with their insured. How do you know the person who owns the car isnt out of the country and their car was stolen while they were gone? This is an example of a situation where the insurance company if they paid out on the claim would be subject to a bad faith lawsuit. Your options now are to use your own coverages if you have it, or if you dont have coverage on your own policy then you would need to sue the person who hit you in small claims court. Nothing else can be done, the other insurance isnt going to pay out if they dont hear from their insured.","human_ref_B":"File with your insurance. Your insurance will go after them plus make them pay your deductible. Police wi handle the hit and run charge","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19837.0,"score_ratio":1.8} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbeftzh","c_root_id_B":"gbd99wm","created_at_utc_A":1604705973,"created_at_utc_B":1604685208,"score_A":9,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"File with your insurance. Your insurance will go after them plus make them pay your deductible. Police wi handle the hit and run charge","human_ref_B":"The other driver must cooperate with their own insurance company. If they don't their insurance can deny coverage. You need to get a copy of the denial letter from the other driver's insurance and provide it to your insurance company. If you have umpd (uninsured motorist property damage) coverage you can use it and then your insurance company will pursue the other driver for payment. If you don't have umpd you'll have to use collision coverage and then your insurance company will still pursue the other driver and try to get your deductible back If you have no umpd and no collision coverage then you will have to sue them in small business claims court yourself","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20765.0,"score_ratio":2.25} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbdba8l","c_root_id_B":"gbesjoj","created_at_utc_A":1604686136,"created_at_utc_B":1604713158,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"This isnt really that uncommon. The insurance company HAS to verify the facts of the accident with their insured. How do you know the person who owns the car isnt out of the country and their car was stolen while they were gone? This is an example of a situation where the insurance company if they paid out on the claim would be subject to a bad faith lawsuit. Your options now are to use your own coverages if you have it, or if you dont have coverage on your own policy then you would need to sue the person who hit you in small claims court. Nothing else can be done, the other insurance isnt going to pay out if they dont hear from their insured.","human_ref_B":"Call your insurance. You pay them to insure your mistakes and fight for you in case of other people's mistakes. Once an employee from your insurance gets on a call I guarantee you they will change their tone. Happened to me the last time someone rear ended me, geico called them after them dodging me for 5-6 days. Their insurance called back a few hours later saying they will be paying for all of my damages. Obviously this might depend on you having full coverage.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27022.0,"score_ratio":1.2} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbesjoj","c_root_id_B":"gbd99wm","created_at_utc_A":1604713158,"created_at_utc_B":1604685208,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Call your insurance. You pay them to insure your mistakes and fight for you in case of other people's mistakes. Once an employee from your insurance gets on a call I guarantee you they will change their tone. Happened to me the last time someone rear ended me, geico called them after them dodging me for 5-6 days. Their insurance called back a few hours later saying they will be paying for all of my damages. Obviously this might depend on you having full coverage.","human_ref_B":"The other driver must cooperate with their own insurance company. If they don't their insurance can deny coverage. You need to get a copy of the denial letter from the other driver's insurance and provide it to your insurance company. If you have umpd (uninsured motorist property damage) coverage you can use it and then your insurance company will pursue the other driver for payment. If you don't have umpd you'll have to use collision coverage and then your insurance company will still pursue the other driver and try to get your deductible back If you have no umpd and no collision coverage then you will have to sue them in small business claims court yourself","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27950.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbesjoj","c_root_id_B":"gbeg8he","created_at_utc_A":1604713158,"created_at_utc_B":1604706194,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Call your insurance. You pay them to insure your mistakes and fight for you in case of other people's mistakes. Once an employee from your insurance gets on a call I guarantee you they will change their tone. Happened to me the last time someone rear ended me, geico called them after them dodging me for 5-6 days. Their insurance called back a few hours later saying they will be paying for all of my damages. Obviously this might depend on you having full coverage.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but in July, I had a guy drive across three lanes of traffic and hit me head on at around 55 mph. He claimed he wasnt driving, and that the person driving fled the scene. His bruising was consistent with someone driving, and he couldn't identify the driver. His wife showed up to the accident scene saying she was on the phone with him at the time of the accident. He still denied driving. The police report said they think he was the driver (but he maintains to this day he was not). The apparent ghost driver is still at large. I lawyered up, and his insurance was on the fence about accepting liability. They eventually did, but it took some pushing from my attorney's office. I'm not sure how much damage was involved with yours, but my car was totaled and I had some medical bills. Mine should be resolved in a few months, and it's been really helpful to have someone guiding me through the process and advocating for me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6964.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbel8vx","c_root_id_B":"gbesjoj","created_at_utc_A":1604708988,"created_at_utc_B":1604713158,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"This was cross-posted to r\/insurance. I'm not a lawyer and I actually work in health, not auto, but here are my thoughts: If you try to file a claim with the adverse party and they refuse to cooperate, you file a claim with your own insurance. Yes, you may pay your deductible and increased premiums, but life sucks and stuff happens and your insurance company has protected you from catastrophic loss. It's possible your premiums might go up, but scenarios like this are why policies with accident forgiveness are so nice. If you don't carry full coverage on a car you can't afford to replace, then you have a personal finance issue and not a legal issue. Once you file a claim your insurance company is going to try to go after the other insurance or the other party so it's possible you may get your deductible back (eventually). I don't care if the police said it was their fault, if a security camera showed it as their fault, if a Supreme Court justice that was passing by said it was their fault. If the adverse party refused to cooperate with their insurance they're going to deny the claim. The suggestion to contact the state insurance commissioner is not going to be productive because the adverse insurance company property considered the claim when filed, then property denied it due to lack of cooperation from their insured. Another poster suggested there's a claim to diminished value. Any insurance company is going to laugh in your face if you try to claim diminished value on a 5-6K truck. You'd better have been hit in a Lamborghini to try to make a diminished value claim. Yes, you can sue the other party since their insurance denied the claim. But no lawyer is going to take the case on a contingency basis and one session with a lawyer on a fee for service basis is going to cost more than your deductible plus diminished value, a couple of sessions more than the total cost to repair your car assuming you don't have collision coverage. So you'd be doing it alone. At some point you suck it up and bury your cosmic sense of injustice and make things easy on yourself and go on with your life.","human_ref_B":"Call your insurance. You pay them to insure your mistakes and fight for you in case of other people's mistakes. Once an employee from your insurance gets on a call I guarantee you they will change their tone. Happened to me the last time someone rear ended me, geico called them after them dodging me for 5-6 days. Their insurance called back a few hours later saying they will be paying for all of my damages. Obviously this might depend on you having full coverage.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4170.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbdba8l","c_root_id_B":"gbf5b2i","created_at_utc_A":1604686136,"created_at_utc_B":1604720679,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"This isnt really that uncommon. The insurance company HAS to verify the facts of the accident with their insured. How do you know the person who owns the car isnt out of the country and their car was stolen while they were gone? This is an example of a situation where the insurance company if they paid out on the claim would be subject to a bad faith lawsuit. Your options now are to use your own coverages if you have it, or if you dont have coverage on your own policy then you would need to sue the person who hit you in small claims court. Nothing else can be done, the other insurance isnt going to pay out if they dont hear from their insured.","human_ref_B":"Filing with your own insurance is a no brainer if you carry collision coverage. The denial of coverage from his insurance for non-cooperation also qualifies you for uninsured motorists property damage coverage if you carry it which only has a $250 deductible and pays for your rental in Texas. Unfortunately it is your problem if he doesn't contact his insurance company. He has an insurance contract with them, his contract says that he has a duty to cooperate with his insurance company and if he doesn't they can deny his coverage for a loss. He's still liable for your damages, the insurance company is just removing themselves from between the two of you, which means the burden of collecting from him falls on you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":34543.0,"score_ratio":1.2} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbd99wm","c_root_id_B":"gbdba8l","created_at_utc_A":1604685208,"created_at_utc_B":1604686136,"score_A":4,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"The other driver must cooperate with their own insurance company. If they don't their insurance can deny coverage. You need to get a copy of the denial letter from the other driver's insurance and provide it to your insurance company. If you have umpd (uninsured motorist property damage) coverage you can use it and then your insurance company will pursue the other driver for payment. If you don't have umpd you'll have to use collision coverage and then your insurance company will still pursue the other driver and try to get your deductible back If you have no umpd and no collision coverage then you will have to sue them in small business claims court yourself","human_ref_B":"This isnt really that uncommon. The insurance company HAS to verify the facts of the accident with their insured. How do you know the person who owns the car isnt out of the country and their car was stolen while they were gone? This is an example of a situation where the insurance company if they paid out on the claim would be subject to a bad faith lawsuit. Your options now are to use your own coverages if you have it, or if you dont have coverage on your own policy then you would need to sue the person who hit you in small claims court. Nothing else can be done, the other insurance isnt going to pay out if they dont hear from their insured.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":928.0,"score_ratio":1.25} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbetov1","c_root_id_B":"gbf5b2i","created_at_utc_A":1604713817,"created_at_utc_B":1604720679,"score_A":5,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I work in auto insurance, claims. The other carrier can disclaim coverage for non cooperation from their insured. Hes required to cooperate as part of his auto contract. If he doesn't there isnt coverage. That being said you have 2 options. Use your own collision coverage and let the insurance company pursue or take him to small claims court","human_ref_B":"Filing with your own insurance is a no brainer if you carry collision coverage. The denial of coverage from his insurance for non-cooperation also qualifies you for uninsured motorists property damage coverage if you carry it which only has a $250 deductible and pays for your rental in Texas. Unfortunately it is your problem if he doesn't contact his insurance company. He has an insurance contract with them, his contract says that he has a duty to cooperate with his insurance company and if he doesn't they can deny his coverage for a loss. He's still liable for your damages, the insurance company is just removing themselves from between the two of you, which means the burden of collecting from him falls on you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6862.0,"score_ratio":1.2} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbetov1","c_root_id_B":"gbd99wm","created_at_utc_A":1604713817,"created_at_utc_B":1604685208,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I work in auto insurance, claims. The other carrier can disclaim coverage for non cooperation from their insured. Hes required to cooperate as part of his auto contract. If he doesn't there isnt coverage. That being said you have 2 options. Use your own collision coverage and let the insurance company pursue or take him to small claims court","human_ref_B":"The other driver must cooperate with their own insurance company. If they don't their insurance can deny coverage. You need to get a copy of the denial letter from the other driver's insurance and provide it to your insurance company. If you have umpd (uninsured motorist property damage) coverage you can use it and then your insurance company will pursue the other driver for payment. If you don't have umpd you'll have to use collision coverage and then your insurance company will still pursue the other driver and try to get your deductible back If you have no umpd and no collision coverage then you will have to sue them in small business claims court yourself","labels":1,"seconds_difference":28609.0,"score_ratio":1.25} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbetov1","c_root_id_B":"gbeg8he","created_at_utc_A":1604713817,"created_at_utc_B":1604706194,"score_A":5,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"I work in auto insurance, claims. The other carrier can disclaim coverage for non cooperation from their insured. Hes required to cooperate as part of his auto contract. If he doesn't there isnt coverage. That being said you have 2 options. Use your own collision coverage and let the insurance company pursue or take him to small claims court","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but in July, I had a guy drive across three lanes of traffic and hit me head on at around 55 mph. He claimed he wasnt driving, and that the person driving fled the scene. His bruising was consistent with someone driving, and he couldn't identify the driver. His wife showed up to the accident scene saying she was on the phone with him at the time of the accident. He still denied driving. The police report said they think he was the driver (but he maintains to this day he was not). The apparent ghost driver is still at large. I lawyered up, and his insurance was on the fence about accepting liability. They eventually did, but it took some pushing from my attorney's office. I'm not sure how much damage was involved with yours, but my car was totaled and I had some medical bills. Mine should be resolved in a few months, and it's been really helpful to have someone guiding me through the process and advocating for me.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7623.0,"score_ratio":1.25} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbel8vx","c_root_id_B":"gbetov1","created_at_utc_A":1604708988,"created_at_utc_B":1604713817,"score_A":3,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"This was cross-posted to r\/insurance. I'm not a lawyer and I actually work in health, not auto, but here are my thoughts: If you try to file a claim with the adverse party and they refuse to cooperate, you file a claim with your own insurance. Yes, you may pay your deductible and increased premiums, but life sucks and stuff happens and your insurance company has protected you from catastrophic loss. It's possible your premiums might go up, but scenarios like this are why policies with accident forgiveness are so nice. If you don't carry full coverage on a car you can't afford to replace, then you have a personal finance issue and not a legal issue. Once you file a claim your insurance company is going to try to go after the other insurance or the other party so it's possible you may get your deductible back (eventually). I don't care if the police said it was their fault, if a security camera showed it as their fault, if a Supreme Court justice that was passing by said it was their fault. If the adverse party refused to cooperate with their insurance they're going to deny the claim. The suggestion to contact the state insurance commissioner is not going to be productive because the adverse insurance company property considered the claim when filed, then property denied it due to lack of cooperation from their insured. Another poster suggested there's a claim to diminished value. Any insurance company is going to laugh in your face if you try to claim diminished value on a 5-6K truck. You'd better have been hit in a Lamborghini to try to make a diminished value claim. Yes, you can sue the other party since their insurance denied the claim. But no lawyer is going to take the case on a contingency basis and one session with a lawyer on a fee for service basis is going to cost more than your deductible plus diminished value, a couple of sessions more than the total cost to repair your car assuming you don't have collision coverage. So you'd be doing it alone. At some point you suck it up and bury your cosmic sense of injustice and make things easy on yourself and go on with your life.","human_ref_B":"I work in auto insurance, claims. The other carrier can disclaim coverage for non cooperation from their insured. Hes required to cooperate as part of his auto contract. If he doesn't there isnt coverage. That being said you have 2 options. Use your own collision coverage and let the insurance company pursue or take him to small claims court","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4829.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbd99wm","c_root_id_B":"gbf5b2i","created_at_utc_A":1604685208,"created_at_utc_B":1604720679,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"The other driver must cooperate with their own insurance company. If they don't their insurance can deny coverage. You need to get a copy of the denial letter from the other driver's insurance and provide it to your insurance company. If you have umpd (uninsured motorist property damage) coverage you can use it and then your insurance company will pursue the other driver for payment. If you don't have umpd you'll have to use collision coverage and then your insurance company will still pursue the other driver and try to get your deductible back If you have no umpd and no collision coverage then you will have to sue them in small business claims court yourself","human_ref_B":"Filing with your own insurance is a no brainer if you carry collision coverage. The denial of coverage from his insurance for non-cooperation also qualifies you for uninsured motorists property damage coverage if you carry it which only has a $250 deductible and pays for your rental in Texas. Unfortunately it is your problem if he doesn't contact his insurance company. He has an insurance contract with them, his contract says that he has a duty to cooperate with his insurance company and if he doesn't they can deny his coverage for a loss. He's still liable for your damages, the insurance company is just removing themselves from between the two of you, which means the burden of collecting from him falls on you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":35471.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbeg8he","c_root_id_B":"gbf5b2i","created_at_utc_A":1604706194,"created_at_utc_B":1604720679,"score_A":4,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, but in July, I had a guy drive across three lanes of traffic and hit me head on at around 55 mph. He claimed he wasnt driving, and that the person driving fled the scene. His bruising was consistent with someone driving, and he couldn't identify the driver. His wife showed up to the accident scene saying she was on the phone with him at the time of the accident. He still denied driving. The police report said they think he was the driver (but he maintains to this day he was not). The apparent ghost driver is still at large. I lawyered up, and his insurance was on the fence about accepting liability. They eventually did, but it took some pushing from my attorney's office. I'm not sure how much damage was involved with yours, but my car was totaled and I had some medical bills. Mine should be resolved in a few months, and it's been really helpful to have someone guiding me through the process and advocating for me.","human_ref_B":"Filing with your own insurance is a no brainer if you carry collision coverage. The denial of coverage from his insurance for non-cooperation also qualifies you for uninsured motorists property damage coverage if you carry it which only has a $250 deductible and pays for your rental in Texas. Unfortunately it is your problem if he doesn't contact his insurance company. He has an insurance contract with them, his contract says that he has a duty to cooperate with his insurance company and if he doesn't they can deny his coverage for a loss. He's still liable for your damages, the insurance company is just removing themselves from between the two of you, which means the burden of collecting from him falls on you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14485.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbel8vx","c_root_id_B":"gbf5b2i","created_at_utc_A":1604708988,"created_at_utc_B":1604720679,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"This was cross-posted to r\/insurance. I'm not a lawyer and I actually work in health, not auto, but here are my thoughts: If you try to file a claim with the adverse party and they refuse to cooperate, you file a claim with your own insurance. Yes, you may pay your deductible and increased premiums, but life sucks and stuff happens and your insurance company has protected you from catastrophic loss. It's possible your premiums might go up, but scenarios like this are why policies with accident forgiveness are so nice. If you don't carry full coverage on a car you can't afford to replace, then you have a personal finance issue and not a legal issue. Once you file a claim your insurance company is going to try to go after the other insurance or the other party so it's possible you may get your deductible back (eventually). I don't care if the police said it was their fault, if a security camera showed it as their fault, if a Supreme Court justice that was passing by said it was their fault. If the adverse party refused to cooperate with their insurance they're going to deny the claim. The suggestion to contact the state insurance commissioner is not going to be productive because the adverse insurance company property considered the claim when filed, then property denied it due to lack of cooperation from their insured. Another poster suggested there's a claim to diminished value. Any insurance company is going to laugh in your face if you try to claim diminished value on a 5-6K truck. You'd better have been hit in a Lamborghini to try to make a diminished value claim. Yes, you can sue the other party since their insurance denied the claim. But no lawyer is going to take the case on a contingency basis and one session with a lawyer on a fee for service basis is going to cost more than your deductible plus diminished value, a couple of sessions more than the total cost to repair your car assuming you don't have collision coverage. So you'd be doing it alone. At some point you suck it up and bury your cosmic sense of injustice and make things easy on yourself and go on with your life.","human_ref_B":"Filing with your own insurance is a no brainer if you carry collision coverage. The denial of coverage from his insurance for non-cooperation also qualifies you for uninsured motorists property damage coverage if you carry it which only has a $250 deductible and pays for your rental in Texas. Unfortunately it is your problem if he doesn't contact his insurance company. He has an insurance contract with them, his contract says that he has a duty to cooperate with his insurance company and if he doesn't they can deny his coverage for a loss. He's still liable for your damages, the insurance company is just removing themselves from between the two of you, which means the burden of collecting from him falls on you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11691.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"jp86pe","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.99,"history":"I got rear ended in October, the driver fled the scene. I got a police report and 911 call, and their insurance denied my claim because the driver was \"not being co-operative\". What can i do about it? So i got rear ended at a red light by a driver. He hit me and then drove away. I followed and called 911 after making the report and getting the car info. While i was still on the phone, driver of the car pulled into a shady neighborhood so i asked the dispatcher what to do, and she told me that i didn't have to follow the car anymore, to just to go my nearest police station to file the report. So i went straight there. Fast Forward to yesterday, i get a call from the insurance saying my claim was denied because the other driver said he was not involved in a crash. I got upset and asked if they asked their client for pictures of the car, because it should have been damaged. She put me on hold to speak to management, then said they would call me back later. i got a voicemail later on in the day from her, saying my claim was denied because their client was not co-operating with them and my police report didn't identify the driver by name. I haven't called back, but i wanted to see what do i do now? I wanted to call them back and dispute that, i feel like if the client is not cooperating, then that isn't my problem. I provided police report, pictures of my truck, estimate, and screenshots of my 911 call. I am willing to take legal action if necessary. My truck is worth about 5-6k, the damage was about 3.2k. Also, i live in Texas, incase that matters. Thanks","c_root_id_A":"gbf1vew","c_root_id_B":"gbf5b2i","created_at_utc_A":1604718614,"created_at_utc_B":1604720679,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"I had an accident in Texas that was the other drivers fault (he backed into me.) He lied and said I ran into him. My insurance company determined fault could not be determined and my insurance paid out. However, if he had not lied, I would not be out my deductible.","human_ref_B":"Filing with your own insurance is a no brainer if you carry collision coverage. The denial of coverage from his insurance for non-cooperation also qualifies you for uninsured motorists property damage coverage if you carry it which only has a $250 deductible and pays for your rental in Texas. Unfortunately it is your problem if he doesn't contact his insurance company. He has an insurance contract with them, his contract says that he has a duty to cooperate with his insurance company and if he doesn't they can deny his coverage for a loss. He's still liable for your damages, the insurance company is just removing themselves from between the two of you, which means the burden of collecting from him falls on you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2065.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"deimsz","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"[FL] Other driver ran a red light, hit my truck, and sped off. No charges were pressed when they were found, and her insurance insurance has denied liability. A couple of weeks ago, my truck was hit as I was taking a left turn on green arrow. The other driver, a 76 year old woman, ran the red light, clipped my truck, and then left the scene without so much as tapping her brakes. Fortunately for me, my girlfriend was in the car behind me and pursued her down the street. My girlfriend was able to get a picture of the other driver\u2019s license plate and the damage to their car, which we turned over to law enforcement. The deputies on the scene confirmed that another deputy went to the address attached to the plate number and found the damaged car outside, but couldn\u2019t get ahold of the owner. We were free to go, so I reported to my insurance and went about my night My insurance asked for a copy of the police report, so about a week later I went to pick up a copy. The report clearly states that I had right of way and the other driver ran a red, but there was nothing listed under the traffic infractions section about the other driver fleeing the scene or running the red light. Now her insurance is denying my liability claim because their driver was not on scene to give her side of the story (because she fled the scene), and the report was \u201cone-sided\u201d. The Sheriff\u2019s department will not get back to me with answers on why they have not filed charges against the other driver, even though I have called multiple times and left messages in multiple departments since receiving the police report. Is it time to file suit? Can I name the sheriff\u2019s department in my suit as well? What possible reason would they have for not pressing charges? TIA","c_root_id_A":"f2vethn","c_root_id_B":"f2vxiao","created_at_utc_A":1570451375,"created_at_utc_B":1570458672,"score_A":84,"score_B":194,"human_ref_A":"Leave the officers and sheriffs department out of your suit. You don\u2019t have a claim and you would just piss them off. They do not have an obligation to press charges. It\u2019s usually up to the prosecutor who gets to decide if it\u2019s worth the resources or not. In the meantime, sue the driver to get to her insurance company. It\u2019s going to take a while, but it sounds like you have good evidence. Keep all your receipts. Get a good lawyer (some will take your case on contingency). If you have not already, go to a doctor and get checked out. Make sure there are no after-effects of the accident. Do not, however, make up fake injuries. It cuts against your credibility.","human_ref_B":"Usually your insurance handles all this. (That's what you pay for, and they have their own lawyers.) You don't have to do anything unless your insurance tells you otherwise. Her insurance can say whatever; your insurance will take care of you, including taking her to court if need be. Just give them the police report. And as others have said, the prosecutor presses charges, not the sheriff. It's only time for you to file suit if your insurance, for some reason, does nothing. In that case, you file against the other driver and no one else. Not a lawyer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7297.0,"score_ratio":2.3095238095} {"post_id":"deimsz","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"[FL] Other driver ran a red light, hit my truck, and sped off. No charges were pressed when they were found, and her insurance insurance has denied liability. A couple of weeks ago, my truck was hit as I was taking a left turn on green arrow. The other driver, a 76 year old woman, ran the red light, clipped my truck, and then left the scene without so much as tapping her brakes. Fortunately for me, my girlfriend was in the car behind me and pursued her down the street. My girlfriend was able to get a picture of the other driver\u2019s license plate and the damage to their car, which we turned over to law enforcement. The deputies on the scene confirmed that another deputy went to the address attached to the plate number and found the damaged car outside, but couldn\u2019t get ahold of the owner. We were free to go, so I reported to my insurance and went about my night My insurance asked for a copy of the police report, so about a week later I went to pick up a copy. The report clearly states that I had right of way and the other driver ran a red, but there was nothing listed under the traffic infractions section about the other driver fleeing the scene or running the red light. Now her insurance is denying my liability claim because their driver was not on scene to give her side of the story (because she fled the scene), and the report was \u201cone-sided\u201d. The Sheriff\u2019s department will not get back to me with answers on why they have not filed charges against the other driver, even though I have called multiple times and left messages in multiple departments since receiving the police report. Is it time to file suit? Can I name the sheriff\u2019s department in my suit as well? What possible reason would they have for not pressing charges? TIA","c_root_id_A":"f2vxiao","c_root_id_B":"f2vldqo","created_at_utc_A":1570458672,"created_at_utc_B":1570454204,"score_A":194,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Usually your insurance handles all this. (That's what you pay for, and they have their own lawyers.) You don't have to do anything unless your insurance tells you otherwise. Her insurance can say whatever; your insurance will take care of you, including taking her to court if need be. Just give them the police report. And as others have said, the prosecutor presses charges, not the sheriff. It's only time for you to file suit if your insurance, for some reason, does nothing. In that case, you file against the other driver and no one else. Not a lawyer.","human_ref_B":"OP does not file charges, they can only ask, which was denied. The police can recommend charges, the Prosecutor is the only one who can actually file charges.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4468.0,"score_ratio":17.6363636364} {"post_id":"w527i4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Told my boss I have Jury Duty and he said I could just not go.Is this true? I feel like there's some kinda of fine for it","c_root_id_A":"ih5p62c","c_root_id_B":"ih5p4dv","created_at_utc_A":1658471870,"created_at_utc_B":1658471836,"score_A":56,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"If your boss gets nasty about this, go to jury duty and let the bailiff know when you get to a court room. Judges will bring the fury of the gods down on employers who mess with jurors. They will get a call from the court and will probably get set straight the next day under threat of a bench warrant.","human_ref_B":"Don't ignore a jury duty notice, you may be fined or go to jail. Do make sure you tell the court \/ judge about any threats your employer is making. Judges in my opinion love to come down on people not respecting the rule of law ( like your employer ).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":34.0,"score_ratio":1.75} {"post_id":"w527i4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Told my boss I have Jury Duty and he said I could just not go.Is this true? I feel like there's some kinda of fine for it","c_root_id_A":"ih6darc","c_root_id_B":"ih7c400","created_at_utc_A":1658489857,"created_at_utc_B":1658505304,"score_A":12,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"Legally he can't tell you not to go. It can land both you and your boss with hefty fines or jail time. Legally he has to allow you the time off for it, albeit he isn't required to pay you for that time off but he Legally has to allow you to go. Not a lawyer","human_ref_B":"Call the court and let them know your boss said you can't go. If they ask, provide information about where you work. Some judges live for reading jackasses like your boss the riot act. They have a legal obligation to let you attend jury duty.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15447.0,"score_ratio":2.0833333333} {"post_id":"w527i4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Told my boss I have Jury Duty and he said I could just not go.Is this true? I feel like there's some kinda of fine for it","c_root_id_A":"ih7c400","c_root_id_B":"ih6tmwq","created_at_utc_A":1658505304,"created_at_utc_B":1658497940,"score_A":25,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Call the court and let them know your boss said you can't go. If they ask, provide information about where you work. Some judges live for reading jackasses like your boss the riot act. They have a legal obligation to let you attend jury duty.","human_ref_B":"Jury Duty is mandatory, there is a (small) chance you can be excused by the judge but you HAVE to show up. When I went there was an older gentleman who was carrying an oxygen tank, he was excused of course but even he had to show up the first day. So don't listen to your boss, and if he tries to dock your pay for something that is legally mandatory you should report it.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":7364.0,"score_ratio":2.2727272727} {"post_id":"w527i4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Told my boss I have Jury Duty and he said I could just not go.Is this true? I feel like there's some kinda of fine for it","c_root_id_A":"ih7927z","c_root_id_B":"ih7c400","created_at_utc_A":1658504128,"created_at_utc_B":1658505304,"score_A":9,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"Your boss is telling you these things cause he doesn\u2019t want to figure out how to cover your shift. If you don\u2019t go, at minimum you face court fines. Worst case you have to give a reason why you didn\u2019t go to a judge. You really want to lie to a judge about not getting the summons? You\u2019ll look at some good jail time then. Just go. It\u2019s a day of maybe sitting in on a case. It\u2019s actually kind of fun. I\u2019ve done it a few times up here in Oregon. Oh, here we get paid for it. Our employer is supposed to pay us for our time doing jury duty as long as we show proper documentation. The county will pay for our food and mileage. Something to look into.","human_ref_B":"Call the court and let them know your boss said you can't go. If they ask, provide information about where you work. Some judges live for reading jackasses like your boss the riot act. They have a legal obligation to let you attend jury duty.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1176.0,"score_ratio":2.7777777778} {"post_id":"w527i4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Told my boss I have Jury Duty and he said I could just not go.Is this true? I feel like there's some kinda of fine for it","c_root_id_A":"ih62cl3","c_root_id_B":"ih7c400","created_at_utc_A":1658482087,"created_at_utc_B":1658505304,"score_A":7,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"Send an email to your boss, the boss's boss, and HR informing them that you've been summoned for jury duty and may\/will be out on the following dates.","human_ref_B":"Call the court and let them know your boss said you can't go. If they ask, provide information about where you work. Some judges live for reading jackasses like your boss the riot act. They have a legal obligation to let you attend jury duty.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":23217.0,"score_ratio":3.5714285714} {"post_id":"w527i4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Told my boss I have Jury Duty and he said I could just not go.Is this true? I feel like there's some kinda of fine for it","c_root_id_A":"ih7736m","c_root_id_B":"ih7c400","created_at_utc_A":1658503368,"created_at_utc_B":1658505304,"score_A":6,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"There are stories of judges dragging employers in and chewing them out for saying shit like that. It's a court summons, you must go. If you boss obstructs, get their obstruction in writing and turn it over to the court, as that is illegal and boss may serve jail time.","human_ref_B":"Call the court and let them know your boss said you can't go. If they ask, provide information about where you work. Some judges live for reading jackasses like your boss the riot act. They have a legal obligation to let you attend jury duty.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1936.0,"score_ratio":4.1666666667} {"post_id":"w527i4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Told my boss I have Jury Duty and he said I could just not go.Is this true? I feel like there's some kinda of fine for it","c_root_id_A":"ih62cl3","c_root_id_B":"ih6darc","created_at_utc_A":1658482087,"created_at_utc_B":1658489857,"score_A":7,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"Send an email to your boss, the boss's boss, and HR informing them that you've been summoned for jury duty and may\/will be out on the following dates.","human_ref_B":"Legally he can't tell you not to go. It can land both you and your boss with hefty fines or jail time. Legally he has to allow you the time off for it, albeit he isn't required to pay you for that time off but he Legally has to allow you to go. Not a lawyer","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7770.0,"score_ratio":1.7142857143} {"post_id":"w527i4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Told my boss I have Jury Duty and he said I could just not go.Is this true? I feel like there's some kinda of fine for it","c_root_id_A":"ih6tmwq","c_root_id_B":"ih62cl3","created_at_utc_A":1658497940,"created_at_utc_B":1658482087,"score_A":11,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Jury Duty is mandatory, there is a (small) chance you can be excused by the judge but you HAVE to show up. When I went there was an older gentleman who was carrying an oxygen tank, he was excused of course but even he had to show up the first day. So don't listen to your boss, and if he tries to dock your pay for something that is legally mandatory you should report it.","human_ref_B":"Send an email to your boss, the boss's boss, and HR informing them that you've been summoned for jury duty and may\/will be out on the following dates.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15853.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} {"post_id":"w527i4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Told my boss I have Jury Duty and he said I could just not go.Is this true? I feel like there's some kinda of fine for it","c_root_id_A":"ih7927z","c_root_id_B":"ih62cl3","created_at_utc_A":1658504128,"created_at_utc_B":1658482087,"score_A":9,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Your boss is telling you these things cause he doesn\u2019t want to figure out how to cover your shift. If you don\u2019t go, at minimum you face court fines. Worst case you have to give a reason why you didn\u2019t go to a judge. You really want to lie to a judge about not getting the summons? You\u2019ll look at some good jail time then. Just go. It\u2019s a day of maybe sitting in on a case. It\u2019s actually kind of fun. I\u2019ve done it a few times up here in Oregon. Oh, here we get paid for it. Our employer is supposed to pay us for our time doing jury duty as long as we show proper documentation. The county will pay for our food and mileage. Something to look into.","human_ref_B":"Send an email to your boss, the boss's boss, and HR informing them that you've been summoned for jury duty and may\/will be out on the following dates.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22041.0,"score_ratio":1.2857142857} {"post_id":"w527i4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Told my boss I have Jury Duty and he said I could just not go.Is this true? I feel like there's some kinda of fine for it","c_root_id_A":"ih7927z","c_root_id_B":"ih7736m","created_at_utc_A":1658504128,"created_at_utc_B":1658503368,"score_A":9,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"Your boss is telling you these things cause he doesn\u2019t want to figure out how to cover your shift. If you don\u2019t go, at minimum you face court fines. Worst case you have to give a reason why you didn\u2019t go to a judge. You really want to lie to a judge about not getting the summons? You\u2019ll look at some good jail time then. Just go. It\u2019s a day of maybe sitting in on a case. It\u2019s actually kind of fun. I\u2019ve done it a few times up here in Oregon. Oh, here we get paid for it. Our employer is supposed to pay us for our time doing jury duty as long as we show proper documentation. The county will pay for our food and mileage. Something to look into.","human_ref_B":"There are stories of judges dragging employers in and chewing them out for saying shit like that. It's a court summons, you must go. If you boss obstructs, get their obstruction in writing and turn it over to the court, as that is illegal and boss may serve jail time.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":760.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"w527i4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"Told my boss I have Jury Duty and he said I could just not go.Is this true? I feel like there's some kinda of fine for it","c_root_id_A":"ih7d3ms","c_root_id_B":"ih7736m","created_at_utc_A":1658505683,"created_at_utc_B":1658503368,"score_A":7,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"If you have a summons you need to appear or you can get yourself a bench warrant which will result in being arrested.","human_ref_B":"There are stories of judges dragging employers in and chewing them out for saying shit like that. It's a court summons, you must go. If you boss obstructs, get their obstruction in writing and turn it over to the court, as that is illegal and boss may serve jail time.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2315.0,"score_ratio":1.1666666667} {"post_id":"mpib2p","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"My father and uncle (as notary) signed away my frozen sperm to be destroyed\/discarded without my knowledge (I am an adult late 30\u2019s) Hello, I\u2019ve been having a tough and taking it to an attorney locally to chat about...this is going to be so so bad on my family relationships and also with my wife (we are trying to conceive and I just found out about this). So, I had cancer (Hodgkin\u2019s Lymphoma) when I was 19-21 (2002-03\/4) and in college. Before starting chemo\/radiation my oncologist said I should bank some sperm if I\u2019d like to have kids one day. So, 4 deposits later I\u2019ve had sperm stored for the last 16-17 years. My parents and I agreed to keep having the bills and things sent to their home address because it\u2019s constant and mine has changed a few times. Fast forward to now, my wife and I have been \u201ctrying\u201d to conceive for months and it\u2019s obvious my guys still aren\u2019t swimming well (I\u2019ve been tested in the past, but the quality of my sperm isn\u2019t the issue here anyway). We start working with a fertility doc at the same place my sperm has been stored. We\u2019ve paid big $ all out of pocket to begin and it\u2019s non-refundable...it\u2019s time to do IvF or whatever it\u2019s called soon and the clinic calls and says my sperm was discarded last April (2020) bc I signed a form to do so. I said no I didn\u2019t and send me said form. I get it and clear as day they\u2019re right, but it was signed by my Father (distinct hand writing) and notarized by my Uncle (who is a CFO and I doubt fraud charges would be good for his career). I\u2019m insanely furious and have not told my Dad or asked my Mom if she knows about it. Only thing I\u2019ve done is text a doc pic to my uncle and ask what the hell? Confirmed he did notarize and sign (which was obvious) and doesn\u2019t recall circumstances. Left it there bc he was also my best friend for my entire life. What do you guys think I can do? Should do? I am in Indiana. Side note (if it matters ): my father\/parents are pretty darn wealthy. Liquid assets along with homes, land, stocks, vehicles\/\u201ctoys\u201d, etc. I feel weird saying that bc I grew up that way but we aren\u2019t flashy people. Net worth definitely in 8 figures (lower end) but as you can see family is tight lipped on stuff. Also, uncle is not as wealthy as parents but definitely well off. He\u2019s also CFO of a nice sized, well known local company. Last thing of note, the fertility clinic is obviously aware of this now and could ( have not but alerted me to possibility) refuse to keep working with us in fear of lawsuit involving them. Last last thing; I\u2019d love to get insight on my options IF AND BIG IF I went legal route. But I\u2019ll definitely want to get our money back we\u2019ve spent bc my wife and I aren\u2019t rich, we are middle class working folks. We\u2019ve spent about half of our savings or more on this. Most of all I want to know why he paid the bill for so many years (we\u2019ve even had family jokes about this) and now doesn\u2019t see me fit to be a father. This has been hurting my soul and I need to tell my wife, but I am scared it may break her from me\/divorce and at minimum her hate my family. So I appreciate anyone who takes the time to read over my scenario. Love to you ahead of time! I\u2019m in pain but have to act soon as I found out about 2 weeks ago and been in shock.","c_root_id_A":"gu9wm7d","c_root_id_B":"gu9wvir","created_at_utc_A":1618247690,"created_at_utc_B":1618247802,"score_A":55,"score_B":260,"human_ref_A":"Was the signature your name?","human_ref_B":"To be clear: you're saying your father signed the paperwork in your name, and that your uncle notarized the signature? What, frankly, _the absolute fuck_. I'd be livid. You're clearly livid. Your wife has every reason to be livid on your behalf as well. Notary fraud is a felony. When you report this, there's a good chance that your uncle goes away for at least a year. He'll never be eligible to be a notary again, and it's fairly likely it'll have other consequences if the investigation turns up that this isn't the first time he decided to take leave of his good sense. Your father has caused a large personal loss for you, and you should talk to a litigation attorney about seeking compensation. It's hard to put a dollar value on a stored sperm sample, but the loss of your ability to have children is not worthless, nor is the investment you've put into preserving that sample. Do not speak to either of them until you've talked to a lawyer. _Do_ talk to your wife, after you've spoken to a lawyer, but ask her to let you run the response - she deserves to know, and she deserves to know that you're taking appropriate steps.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":112.0,"score_ratio":4.7272727273} {"post_id":"9y8kbf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Roommate took my money for rent and is now denying me access to moving into the house. What do I do? Sorry for in advance for the lengthy post. I really don't know what I should do. ​ I'm in Ontario, Canada. I met another girl to which we we're supposed to move in together, I will call her Karen throughout this post to protect her identity. Initially we signed a two-year lease with the landlord with both of our names on the lease. A week later, my boyfriend got another job in a different city and would be required to move. At this point I didn't want to just break the lease, so I informed the landlord and Karen about my situation. The landlord gave us two options: 1. Karen and I pay for three months rent upfront. 2. Karen take over the lease and be responsible for finding another roommate. Karen and I discussed our options, I even suggested that I would be okay for paying for the three months rent upfront to the landlord, however she was adamant about taking over the lease. Since my boyfriend was not going to be settled in the new city for three more months, Karen offered that I could just rent from her month to month until she found another roommate. Now that was settled, I planned a move in date with Karen and she informed me that I could move in and get the keys to the townhouse on the weekend. ​ On the day of the move in, while all my stuff was already was packed in the moving truck, Karen's tone completely changed and suddenly told me before I get the keys to the apartment that I had to send her all of the rent upfront. I panicked because all my life was essentially packed inside the back of a moving truck and she was holding the keys hostage until I payed her. I regretfully sent her all the rent upfront for the months that I would be staying there. Right after she had received the rent, she told me the last thing I need to do is send her pictures of the voided previous lease. This made sense to me at the time because the landlord had previously mentioned that the old lease needed to be voided first before Karen assumed position of the new lease. I went ahead and voided the old lease and sent the photos to Karen. Its now four hours after I was supposed to move in and Karen informs me that she will be taking my money, not returning it and tells me that I not allowed to move in. She blocks me from all social media so I cannot contact her. I talked with the landlord shortly after and he told me there is nothing that he can do since her name is the only one on the lease, he said that I could bring it through a small claims court. ​ Is there anything that I can do here now that I don't have my name on any lease? I have it in writing over facebook that the money was to be in exchange for renting the property. Can she just take my money and I can't do anything about it? I supposed she has to either let me move in for the three months as we had discussed or return m money. What do I do now?","c_root_id_A":"e9zgho6","c_root_id_B":"e9zj7m5","created_at_utc_A":1542567098,"created_at_utc_B":1542569027,"score_A":5,"score_B":64,"human_ref_A":"Please review the Landlord Tenant Questions section of the \/r\/LegalAdvice Wiki for common questions and answers regarding landlord tenant issues. If this does not apply to your question, please disregard. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](\/message\/compose\/?to=\/r\/legaladvice) if you have any questions or concerns.*","human_ref_B":"I don't know Canadian law very well so my best guess would be to contact the police and a lawyer. It could be considered a civil matter in which case the police wouldn't be able to do anything I believe. If its a civil matter then you will go about suing her for the money which is why you might need a lawyer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1929.0,"score_ratio":12.8} {"post_id":"9y8kbf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Roommate took my money for rent and is now denying me access to moving into the house. What do I do? Sorry for in advance for the lengthy post. I really don't know what I should do. ​ I'm in Ontario, Canada. I met another girl to which we we're supposed to move in together, I will call her Karen throughout this post to protect her identity. Initially we signed a two-year lease with the landlord with both of our names on the lease. A week later, my boyfriend got another job in a different city and would be required to move. At this point I didn't want to just break the lease, so I informed the landlord and Karen about my situation. The landlord gave us two options: 1. Karen and I pay for three months rent upfront. 2. Karen take over the lease and be responsible for finding another roommate. Karen and I discussed our options, I even suggested that I would be okay for paying for the three months rent upfront to the landlord, however she was adamant about taking over the lease. Since my boyfriend was not going to be settled in the new city for three more months, Karen offered that I could just rent from her month to month until she found another roommate. Now that was settled, I planned a move in date with Karen and she informed me that I could move in and get the keys to the townhouse on the weekend. ​ On the day of the move in, while all my stuff was already was packed in the moving truck, Karen's tone completely changed and suddenly told me before I get the keys to the apartment that I had to send her all of the rent upfront. I panicked because all my life was essentially packed inside the back of a moving truck and she was holding the keys hostage until I payed her. I regretfully sent her all the rent upfront for the months that I would be staying there. Right after she had received the rent, she told me the last thing I need to do is send her pictures of the voided previous lease. This made sense to me at the time because the landlord had previously mentioned that the old lease needed to be voided first before Karen assumed position of the new lease. I went ahead and voided the old lease and sent the photos to Karen. Its now four hours after I was supposed to move in and Karen informs me that she will be taking my money, not returning it and tells me that I not allowed to move in. She blocks me from all social media so I cannot contact her. I talked with the landlord shortly after and he told me there is nothing that he can do since her name is the only one on the lease, he said that I could bring it through a small claims court. ​ Is there anything that I can do here now that I don't have my name on any lease? I have it in writing over facebook that the money was to be in exchange for renting the property. Can she just take my money and I can't do anything about it? I supposed she has to either let me move in for the three months as we had discussed or return m money. What do I do now?","c_root_id_A":"e9zk0yd","c_root_id_B":"ea001lg","created_at_utc_A":1542569723,"created_at_utc_B":1542581544,"score_A":13,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"Did you meet this Karen in-person before the move? This could be a variation of rental scams where instead of the scammer posing as a landlord the scammer poses as a roommate.","human_ref_B":"Could you call your bank and cancel the check?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11821.0,"score_ratio":2.6153846154} {"post_id":"9y8kbf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Roommate took my money for rent and is now denying me access to moving into the house. What do I do? Sorry for in advance for the lengthy post. I really don't know what I should do. ​ I'm in Ontario, Canada. I met another girl to which we we're supposed to move in together, I will call her Karen throughout this post to protect her identity. Initially we signed a two-year lease with the landlord with both of our names on the lease. A week later, my boyfriend got another job in a different city and would be required to move. At this point I didn't want to just break the lease, so I informed the landlord and Karen about my situation. The landlord gave us two options: 1. Karen and I pay for three months rent upfront. 2. Karen take over the lease and be responsible for finding another roommate. Karen and I discussed our options, I even suggested that I would be okay for paying for the three months rent upfront to the landlord, however she was adamant about taking over the lease. Since my boyfriend was not going to be settled in the new city for three more months, Karen offered that I could just rent from her month to month until she found another roommate. Now that was settled, I planned a move in date with Karen and she informed me that I could move in and get the keys to the townhouse on the weekend. ​ On the day of the move in, while all my stuff was already was packed in the moving truck, Karen's tone completely changed and suddenly told me before I get the keys to the apartment that I had to send her all of the rent upfront. I panicked because all my life was essentially packed inside the back of a moving truck and she was holding the keys hostage until I payed her. I regretfully sent her all the rent upfront for the months that I would be staying there. Right after she had received the rent, she told me the last thing I need to do is send her pictures of the voided previous lease. This made sense to me at the time because the landlord had previously mentioned that the old lease needed to be voided first before Karen assumed position of the new lease. I went ahead and voided the old lease and sent the photos to Karen. Its now four hours after I was supposed to move in and Karen informs me that she will be taking my money, not returning it and tells me that I not allowed to move in. She blocks me from all social media so I cannot contact her. I talked with the landlord shortly after and he told me there is nothing that he can do since her name is the only one on the lease, he said that I could bring it through a small claims court. ​ Is there anything that I can do here now that I don't have my name on any lease? I have it in writing over facebook that the money was to be in exchange for renting the property. Can she just take my money and I can't do anything about it? I supposed she has to either let me move in for the three months as we had discussed or return m money. What do I do now?","c_root_id_A":"ea001lg","c_root_id_B":"e9zgho6","created_at_utc_A":1542581544,"created_at_utc_B":1542567098,"score_A":34,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Could you call your bank and cancel the check?","human_ref_B":"Please review the Landlord Tenant Questions section of the \/r\/LegalAdvice Wiki for common questions and answers regarding landlord tenant issues. If this does not apply to your question, please disregard. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](\/message\/compose\/?to=\/r\/legaladvice) if you have any questions or concerns.*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14446.0,"score_ratio":6.8} {"post_id":"9y8kbf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Roommate took my money for rent and is now denying me access to moving into the house. What do I do? Sorry for in advance for the lengthy post. I really don't know what I should do. ​ I'm in Ontario, Canada. I met another girl to which we we're supposed to move in together, I will call her Karen throughout this post to protect her identity. Initially we signed a two-year lease with the landlord with both of our names on the lease. A week later, my boyfriend got another job in a different city and would be required to move. At this point I didn't want to just break the lease, so I informed the landlord and Karen about my situation. The landlord gave us two options: 1. Karen and I pay for three months rent upfront. 2. Karen take over the lease and be responsible for finding another roommate. Karen and I discussed our options, I even suggested that I would be okay for paying for the three months rent upfront to the landlord, however she was adamant about taking over the lease. Since my boyfriend was not going to be settled in the new city for three more months, Karen offered that I could just rent from her month to month until she found another roommate. Now that was settled, I planned a move in date with Karen and she informed me that I could move in and get the keys to the townhouse on the weekend. ​ On the day of the move in, while all my stuff was already was packed in the moving truck, Karen's tone completely changed and suddenly told me before I get the keys to the apartment that I had to send her all of the rent upfront. I panicked because all my life was essentially packed inside the back of a moving truck and she was holding the keys hostage until I payed her. I regretfully sent her all the rent upfront for the months that I would be staying there. Right after she had received the rent, she told me the last thing I need to do is send her pictures of the voided previous lease. This made sense to me at the time because the landlord had previously mentioned that the old lease needed to be voided first before Karen assumed position of the new lease. I went ahead and voided the old lease and sent the photos to Karen. Its now four hours after I was supposed to move in and Karen informs me that she will be taking my money, not returning it and tells me that I not allowed to move in. She blocks me from all social media so I cannot contact her. I talked with the landlord shortly after and he told me there is nothing that he can do since her name is the only one on the lease, he said that I could bring it through a small claims court. ​ Is there anything that I can do here now that I don't have my name on any lease? I have it in writing over facebook that the money was to be in exchange for renting the property. Can she just take my money and I can't do anything about it? I supposed she has to either let me move in for the three months as we had discussed or return m money. What do I do now?","c_root_id_A":"ea09ild","c_root_id_B":"ea0cyn9","created_at_utc_A":1542590133,"created_at_utc_B":1542593339,"score_A":12,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but I do live in Ontario. Small claims court might be an option and you wouldn't need a lawyer. Alternately, there might be something helpful on the CLEO (Community legal education Ontario) website.","human_ref_B":"Call the police and tell them you got scammed and would like to file a police report against the person. Afterwards, talk to a lawyer about getting your money back. She stole your money and deserves to be in prison.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3206.0,"score_ratio":1.0833333333} {"post_id":"9y8kbf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Roommate took my money for rent and is now denying me access to moving into the house. What do I do? Sorry for in advance for the lengthy post. I really don't know what I should do. ​ I'm in Ontario, Canada. I met another girl to which we we're supposed to move in together, I will call her Karen throughout this post to protect her identity. Initially we signed a two-year lease with the landlord with both of our names on the lease. A week later, my boyfriend got another job in a different city and would be required to move. At this point I didn't want to just break the lease, so I informed the landlord and Karen about my situation. The landlord gave us two options: 1. Karen and I pay for three months rent upfront. 2. Karen take over the lease and be responsible for finding another roommate. Karen and I discussed our options, I even suggested that I would be okay for paying for the three months rent upfront to the landlord, however she was adamant about taking over the lease. Since my boyfriend was not going to be settled in the new city for three more months, Karen offered that I could just rent from her month to month until she found another roommate. Now that was settled, I planned a move in date with Karen and she informed me that I could move in and get the keys to the townhouse on the weekend. ​ On the day of the move in, while all my stuff was already was packed in the moving truck, Karen's tone completely changed and suddenly told me before I get the keys to the apartment that I had to send her all of the rent upfront. I panicked because all my life was essentially packed inside the back of a moving truck and she was holding the keys hostage until I payed her. I regretfully sent her all the rent upfront for the months that I would be staying there. Right after she had received the rent, she told me the last thing I need to do is send her pictures of the voided previous lease. This made sense to me at the time because the landlord had previously mentioned that the old lease needed to be voided first before Karen assumed position of the new lease. I went ahead and voided the old lease and sent the photos to Karen. Its now four hours after I was supposed to move in and Karen informs me that she will be taking my money, not returning it and tells me that I not allowed to move in. She blocks me from all social media so I cannot contact her. I talked with the landlord shortly after and he told me there is nothing that he can do since her name is the only one on the lease, he said that I could bring it through a small claims court. ​ Is there anything that I can do here now that I don't have my name on any lease? I have it in writing over facebook that the money was to be in exchange for renting the property. Can she just take my money and I can't do anything about it? I supposed she has to either let me move in for the three months as we had discussed or return m money. What do I do now?","c_root_id_A":"ea09ild","c_root_id_B":"e9zgho6","created_at_utc_A":1542590133,"created_at_utc_B":1542567098,"score_A":12,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but I do live in Ontario. Small claims court might be an option and you wouldn't need a lawyer. Alternately, there might be something helpful on the CLEO (Community legal education Ontario) website.","human_ref_B":"Please review the Landlord Tenant Questions section of the \/r\/LegalAdvice Wiki for common questions and answers regarding landlord tenant issues. If this does not apply to your question, please disregard. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](\/message\/compose\/?to=\/r\/legaladvice) if you have any questions or concerns.*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23035.0,"score_ratio":2.4} {"post_id":"9y8kbf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Roommate took my money for rent and is now denying me access to moving into the house. What do I do? Sorry for in advance for the lengthy post. I really don't know what I should do. ​ I'm in Ontario, Canada. I met another girl to which we we're supposed to move in together, I will call her Karen throughout this post to protect her identity. Initially we signed a two-year lease with the landlord with both of our names on the lease. A week later, my boyfriend got another job in a different city and would be required to move. At this point I didn't want to just break the lease, so I informed the landlord and Karen about my situation. The landlord gave us two options: 1. Karen and I pay for three months rent upfront. 2. Karen take over the lease and be responsible for finding another roommate. Karen and I discussed our options, I even suggested that I would be okay for paying for the three months rent upfront to the landlord, however she was adamant about taking over the lease. Since my boyfriend was not going to be settled in the new city for three more months, Karen offered that I could just rent from her month to month until she found another roommate. Now that was settled, I planned a move in date with Karen and she informed me that I could move in and get the keys to the townhouse on the weekend. ​ On the day of the move in, while all my stuff was already was packed in the moving truck, Karen's tone completely changed and suddenly told me before I get the keys to the apartment that I had to send her all of the rent upfront. I panicked because all my life was essentially packed inside the back of a moving truck and she was holding the keys hostage until I payed her. I regretfully sent her all the rent upfront for the months that I would be staying there. Right after she had received the rent, she told me the last thing I need to do is send her pictures of the voided previous lease. This made sense to me at the time because the landlord had previously mentioned that the old lease needed to be voided first before Karen assumed position of the new lease. I went ahead and voided the old lease and sent the photos to Karen. Its now four hours after I was supposed to move in and Karen informs me that she will be taking my money, not returning it and tells me that I not allowed to move in. She blocks me from all social media so I cannot contact her. I talked with the landlord shortly after and he told me there is nothing that he can do since her name is the only one on the lease, he said that I could bring it through a small claims court. ​ Is there anything that I can do here now that I don't have my name on any lease? I have it in writing over facebook that the money was to be in exchange for renting the property. Can she just take my money and I can't do anything about it? I supposed she has to either let me move in for the three months as we had discussed or return m money. What do I do now?","c_root_id_A":"ea0cyn9","c_root_id_B":"e9zgho6","created_at_utc_A":1542593339,"created_at_utc_B":1542567098,"score_A":13,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Call the police and tell them you got scammed and would like to file a police report against the person. Afterwards, talk to a lawyer about getting your money back. She stole your money and deserves to be in prison.","human_ref_B":"Please review the Landlord Tenant Questions section of the \/r\/LegalAdvice Wiki for common questions and answers regarding landlord tenant issues. If this does not apply to your question, please disregard. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](\/message\/compose\/?to=\/r\/legaladvice) if you have any questions or concerns.*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":26241.0,"score_ratio":2.6} {"post_id":"9y8kbf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Roommate took my money for rent and is now denying me access to moving into the house. What do I do? Sorry for in advance for the lengthy post. I really don't know what I should do. ​ I'm in Ontario, Canada. I met another girl to which we we're supposed to move in together, I will call her Karen throughout this post to protect her identity. Initially we signed a two-year lease with the landlord with both of our names on the lease. A week later, my boyfriend got another job in a different city and would be required to move. At this point I didn't want to just break the lease, so I informed the landlord and Karen about my situation. The landlord gave us two options: 1. Karen and I pay for three months rent upfront. 2. Karen take over the lease and be responsible for finding another roommate. Karen and I discussed our options, I even suggested that I would be okay for paying for the three months rent upfront to the landlord, however she was adamant about taking over the lease. Since my boyfriend was not going to be settled in the new city for three more months, Karen offered that I could just rent from her month to month until she found another roommate. Now that was settled, I planned a move in date with Karen and she informed me that I could move in and get the keys to the townhouse on the weekend. ​ On the day of the move in, while all my stuff was already was packed in the moving truck, Karen's tone completely changed and suddenly told me before I get the keys to the apartment that I had to send her all of the rent upfront. I panicked because all my life was essentially packed inside the back of a moving truck and she was holding the keys hostage until I payed her. I regretfully sent her all the rent upfront for the months that I would be staying there. Right after she had received the rent, she told me the last thing I need to do is send her pictures of the voided previous lease. This made sense to me at the time because the landlord had previously mentioned that the old lease needed to be voided first before Karen assumed position of the new lease. I went ahead and voided the old lease and sent the photos to Karen. Its now four hours after I was supposed to move in and Karen informs me that she will be taking my money, not returning it and tells me that I not allowed to move in. She blocks me from all social media so I cannot contact her. I talked with the landlord shortly after and he told me there is nothing that he can do since her name is the only one on the lease, he said that I could bring it through a small claims court. ​ Is there anything that I can do here now that I don't have my name on any lease? I have it in writing over facebook that the money was to be in exchange for renting the property. Can she just take my money and I can't do anything about it? I supposed she has to either let me move in for the three months as we had discussed or return m money. What do I do now?","c_root_id_A":"e9zk0yd","c_root_id_B":"e9zgho6","created_at_utc_A":1542569723,"created_at_utc_B":1542567098,"score_A":13,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Did you meet this Karen in-person before the move? This could be a variation of rental scams where instead of the scammer posing as a landlord the scammer poses as a roommate.","human_ref_B":"Please review the Landlord Tenant Questions section of the \/r\/LegalAdvice Wiki for common questions and answers regarding landlord tenant issues. If this does not apply to your question, please disregard. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](\/message\/compose\/?to=\/r\/legaladvice) if you have any questions or concerns.*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2625.0,"score_ratio":2.6} {"post_id":"hiufor","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.82,"history":"(TX) My employer moved up my resignation to the same day I emailed them my 2 weeks and work place issues. Now they keep contacting me. (USA) Hello, I was recently allowed to work from home because of the pandemic. During this time my job was giving my job duties to someone else, which is fair. When I told them I could come back a few days later the HR Manger ( who is also office manager, financial director and temporary general manager) sent me an email letting me know the girl who took my job duties was displeased by my work and that I had not communicated enough to her ( I have emails showing I had) and would now be \"the face\" of the company and will permanently take my duties. I could be her assistant. They also stated the directors were \"upset\" with my pay grade for months but never let me know or have a conversation on how we could remedy that situation. Because of many reasons I put in my two weeks. I offered to help train the next employee and even write up tutorials for them. The manager was very upset and moved my resignation to the same day they received my email. I picked up my things, they only gave me less than 5 minutes and told me to get out. A week later they are asking for password information. I had not read the email and they sent another one today saying \" 2ND Warning, please forward the information to the account that we paid for\" They also never sent my last paycheck. All I want is to be left alone. I did all the professional steps needed to leave the company with good standing. I don't mind emailing them the information (if I still have it, I signed out of all their accounts on my personal devices.) And they also have access to the company email it was signed up with, but I don't want to keep receiving \" Warnings\" with no context over things they forgot to ask for before they moved up my resignation and gave me no exit interview. Im not sure what my options are or how to even ask for them to please stop. Thank you for your time!","c_root_id_A":"fwiatzi","c_root_id_B":"fwjhwa0","created_at_utc_A":1593545976,"created_at_utc_B":1593568654,"score_A":2,"score_B":21,"human_ref_A":"You can communicate the last paragraph to them. It\u2019s only an issue if they continue to contact you after you\u2019ve asked them to stop.","human_ref_B":"This is \"constructive dismissal\" They replaced you and took issue with your wages. File unemployment and run it through to the appeal. If you have nothing to return, simply tell them that. You don't work for the anymore. You do not need to accommodate them with anything.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22678.0,"score_ratio":10.5} {"post_id":"9rotko","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My neighbors school bus for their 6 year old regularly shows up to two hours late and there is no one who answers at the school at the end of the school day. The parents worry when they can't locate their child. Who holds legal liability here? This is in the state of Maryland, Prince George's County in the United States. I have a few neighbors who I noticed today regularly sit outside for hours on end after I get home from work. Today I noticed the mother was in tears because the bus was three hours late. She informed the this is a regular occurrence on this route. I decided to sit with her and wait for a bit and we attempted to call: 1. The School 2. The Dispatcher 3. The county district We received no response from anyone as to the location of their 6 year old child for several hours. They permanent residents that do not speak English. When the bus arrived the bus driver responded with \"stop crying mam, I don't want your kid. I will bring them home eventually\". The person working with the bus driver responded with \"You should be telling us gracias for us bringing your kids, tell them that\". When I asked what do we do if no one answers their phone call they closed the school bus door, rolled up the window and drove off. My questions are: 1. Who holds liability for the location of the child when they are handed to the school this way? 2. If a child is nowhere to be found hours after they were expected to be there do the parents simply call the police immediately? Assuming no one answers from the district? 3. When a school, dispatcher and other entity is unavailable and they have someone's child what's the next legally liable step and who assumes liability here? Thank you. ​","c_root_id_A":"e8ikli2","c_root_id_B":"e8jgepn","created_at_utc_A":1540591550,"created_at_utc_B":1540632085,"score_A":540,"score_B":1624,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, but I live in your county. ​ I would suggest you determine what school district you are in, and then contact your representative on the board. You can also attend a meeting in person. I was not aware of this, but apparently you can even track your child's location via their bus route in P.G. ​ love, shmoo","human_ref_B":"I see a lot of people here suggesting you contact the school board and\/or the city\/county. While that is sound advice for the long term, that is not nearly enough of a step to take while a child is missing for 2-3 hours. CALL THE POLICE. Call the freaking police. Sit with the mom and ask her permission for you to call the police for her. There is absolutely zero reason anyone should tolerate their child being missing for 2+ hours, while no school or bus employee that is *supposed to be* responsible for them, knows their whereabouts. Basically, if this happens again and their child is even 15-30 minutes late. I\u2019d call the dispatch station and ask where the bus is and why it is so late. If they don\u2019t know the answer to one or either of those questions, inform them that you are going to be calling the police, then. And do it. Missing children aren\u2019t something to take lightly, and the police will probably agree. And they will track down the child and sort this shit out. Plus, who knows what those fucking creeps are doing with that\/those child\/children while they\u2019re gone for 3 hours longer than they should be. *After* the police find her child, *then* I would take it to the school board\/county\/city and have them make sure this never, *ever* happens again. For the long term. But I think drastic measures need to be taken for the short term, if a child is missing. And I feel that it\u2019s critical that I point this out. Again, missing children are absolutely not something to take lightly.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":40535.0,"score_ratio":3.0074074074} {"post_id":"9rotko","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My neighbors school bus for their 6 year old regularly shows up to two hours late and there is no one who answers at the school at the end of the school day. The parents worry when they can't locate their child. Who holds legal liability here? This is in the state of Maryland, Prince George's County in the United States. I have a few neighbors who I noticed today regularly sit outside for hours on end after I get home from work. Today I noticed the mother was in tears because the bus was three hours late. She informed the this is a regular occurrence on this route. I decided to sit with her and wait for a bit and we attempted to call: 1. The School 2. The Dispatcher 3. The county district We received no response from anyone as to the location of their 6 year old child for several hours. They permanent residents that do not speak English. When the bus arrived the bus driver responded with \"stop crying mam, I don't want your kid. I will bring them home eventually\". The person working with the bus driver responded with \"You should be telling us gracias for us bringing your kids, tell them that\". When I asked what do we do if no one answers their phone call they closed the school bus door, rolled up the window and drove off. My questions are: 1. Who holds liability for the location of the child when they are handed to the school this way? 2. If a child is nowhere to be found hours after they were expected to be there do the parents simply call the police immediately? Assuming no one answers from the district? 3. When a school, dispatcher and other entity is unavailable and they have someone's child what's the next legally liable step and who assumes liability here? Thank you. ​","c_root_id_A":"e8jgepn","c_root_id_B":"e8j6b8p","created_at_utc_A":1540632085,"created_at_utc_B":1540615056,"score_A":1624,"score_B":278,"human_ref_A":"I see a lot of people here suggesting you contact the school board and\/or the city\/county. While that is sound advice for the long term, that is not nearly enough of a step to take while a child is missing for 2-3 hours. CALL THE POLICE. Call the freaking police. Sit with the mom and ask her permission for you to call the police for her. There is absolutely zero reason anyone should tolerate their child being missing for 2+ hours, while no school or bus employee that is *supposed to be* responsible for them, knows their whereabouts. Basically, if this happens again and their child is even 15-30 minutes late. I\u2019d call the dispatch station and ask where the bus is and why it is so late. If they don\u2019t know the answer to one or either of those questions, inform them that you are going to be calling the police, then. And do it. Missing children aren\u2019t something to take lightly, and the police will probably agree. And they will track down the child and sort this shit out. Plus, who knows what those fucking creeps are doing with that\/those child\/children while they\u2019re gone for 3 hours longer than they should be. *After* the police find her child, *then* I would take it to the school board\/county\/city and have them make sure this never, *ever* happens again. For the long term. But I think drastic measures need to be taken for the short term, if a child is missing. And I feel that it\u2019s critical that I point this out. Again, missing children are absolutely not something to take lightly.","human_ref_B":"I'm a former school bus driver. Is this the school district buses or like First Student? In my state, kids can't be on the bus more than an hour each morning & afternoon. If it's district bus, contact the head of transportation or school district CEO. Transportation should be answering all of their phones until 6-7 pm. If you're not getting anywhere, call state Education department.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17029.0,"score_ratio":5.8417266187} {"post_id":"9rotko","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My neighbors school bus for their 6 year old regularly shows up to two hours late and there is no one who answers at the school at the end of the school day. The parents worry when they can't locate their child. Who holds legal liability here? This is in the state of Maryland, Prince George's County in the United States. I have a few neighbors who I noticed today regularly sit outside for hours on end after I get home from work. Today I noticed the mother was in tears because the bus was three hours late. She informed the this is a regular occurrence on this route. I decided to sit with her and wait for a bit and we attempted to call: 1. The School 2. The Dispatcher 3. The county district We received no response from anyone as to the location of their 6 year old child for several hours. They permanent residents that do not speak English. When the bus arrived the bus driver responded with \"stop crying mam, I don't want your kid. I will bring them home eventually\". The person working with the bus driver responded with \"You should be telling us gracias for us bringing your kids, tell them that\". When I asked what do we do if no one answers their phone call they closed the school bus door, rolled up the window and drove off. My questions are: 1. Who holds liability for the location of the child when they are handed to the school this way? 2. If a child is nowhere to be found hours after they were expected to be there do the parents simply call the police immediately? Assuming no one answers from the district? 3. When a school, dispatcher and other entity is unavailable and they have someone's child what's the next legally liable step and who assumes liability here? Thank you. ​","c_root_id_A":"e8ijeg2","c_root_id_B":"e8jgepn","created_at_utc_A":1540590393,"created_at_utc_B":1540632085,"score_A":228,"score_B":1624,"human_ref_A":"Calling the school board with moms permission is how I would go about correcting this. If they don't listen, the government officials (town hall, mayor, ect) may very well listen. Is the kid the last kid on the route? Are you guys very far from the school?","human_ref_B":"I see a lot of people here suggesting you contact the school board and\/or the city\/county. While that is sound advice for the long term, that is not nearly enough of a step to take while a child is missing for 2-3 hours. CALL THE POLICE. Call the freaking police. Sit with the mom and ask her permission for you to call the police for her. There is absolutely zero reason anyone should tolerate their child being missing for 2+ hours, while no school or bus employee that is *supposed to be* responsible for them, knows their whereabouts. Basically, if this happens again and their child is even 15-30 minutes late. I\u2019d call the dispatch station and ask where the bus is and why it is so late. If they don\u2019t know the answer to one or either of those questions, inform them that you are going to be calling the police, then. And do it. Missing children aren\u2019t something to take lightly, and the police will probably agree. And they will track down the child and sort this shit out. Plus, who knows what those fucking creeps are doing with that\/those child\/children while they\u2019re gone for 3 hours longer than they should be. *After* the police find her child, *then* I would take it to the school board\/county\/city and have them make sure this never, *ever* happens again. For the long term. But I think drastic measures need to be taken for the short term, if a child is missing. And I feel that it\u2019s critical that I point this out. Again, missing children are absolutely not something to take lightly.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":41692.0,"score_ratio":7.1228070175} {"post_id":"9rotko","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My neighbors school bus for their 6 year old regularly shows up to two hours late and there is no one who answers at the school at the end of the school day. The parents worry when they can't locate their child. Who holds legal liability here? This is in the state of Maryland, Prince George's County in the United States. I have a few neighbors who I noticed today regularly sit outside for hours on end after I get home from work. Today I noticed the mother was in tears because the bus was three hours late. She informed the this is a regular occurrence on this route. I decided to sit with her and wait for a bit and we attempted to call: 1. The School 2. The Dispatcher 3. The county district We received no response from anyone as to the location of their 6 year old child for several hours. They permanent residents that do not speak English. When the bus arrived the bus driver responded with \"stop crying mam, I don't want your kid. I will bring them home eventually\". The person working with the bus driver responded with \"You should be telling us gracias for us bringing your kids, tell them that\". When I asked what do we do if no one answers their phone call they closed the school bus door, rolled up the window and drove off. My questions are: 1. Who holds liability for the location of the child when they are handed to the school this way? 2. If a child is nowhere to be found hours after they were expected to be there do the parents simply call the police immediately? Assuming no one answers from the district? 3. When a school, dispatcher and other entity is unavailable and they have someone's child what's the next legally liable step and who assumes liability here? Thank you. ​","c_root_id_A":"e8jgepn","c_root_id_B":"e8in8j9","created_at_utc_A":1540632085,"created_at_utc_B":1540594205,"score_A":1624,"score_B":102,"human_ref_A":"I see a lot of people here suggesting you contact the school board and\/or the city\/county. While that is sound advice for the long term, that is not nearly enough of a step to take while a child is missing for 2-3 hours. CALL THE POLICE. Call the freaking police. Sit with the mom and ask her permission for you to call the police for her. There is absolutely zero reason anyone should tolerate their child being missing for 2+ hours, while no school or bus employee that is *supposed to be* responsible for them, knows their whereabouts. Basically, if this happens again and their child is even 15-30 minutes late. I\u2019d call the dispatch station and ask where the bus is and why it is so late. If they don\u2019t know the answer to one or either of those questions, inform them that you are going to be calling the police, then. And do it. Missing children aren\u2019t something to take lightly, and the police will probably agree. And they will track down the child and sort this shit out. Plus, who knows what those fucking creeps are doing with that\/those child\/children while they\u2019re gone for 3 hours longer than they should be. *After* the police find her child, *then* I would take it to the school board\/county\/city and have them make sure this never, *ever* happens again. For the long term. But I think drastic measures need to be taken for the short term, if a child is missing. And I feel that it\u2019s critical that I point this out. Again, missing children are absolutely not something to take lightly.","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer but my parents also didn\u2019t speak English. Thank you for trying to help them Google for local associations that help people that speak that language. They might have more time and experience with schools I\u2019m a little concerned by how long the bus route takes. Usually, the school buses would drop off the kids closest to the school first. Also, you could contact the PTA to ask basic questions about the process","labels":1,"seconds_difference":37880.0,"score_ratio":15.9215686275} {"post_id":"9rotko","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My neighbors school bus for their 6 year old regularly shows up to two hours late and there is no one who answers at the school at the end of the school day. The parents worry when they can't locate their child. Who holds legal liability here? This is in the state of Maryland, Prince George's County in the United States. I have a few neighbors who I noticed today regularly sit outside for hours on end after I get home from work. Today I noticed the mother was in tears because the bus was three hours late. She informed the this is a regular occurrence on this route. I decided to sit with her and wait for a bit and we attempted to call: 1. The School 2. The Dispatcher 3. The county district We received no response from anyone as to the location of their 6 year old child for several hours. They permanent residents that do not speak English. When the bus arrived the bus driver responded with \"stop crying mam, I don't want your kid. I will bring them home eventually\". The person working with the bus driver responded with \"You should be telling us gracias for us bringing your kids, tell them that\". When I asked what do we do if no one answers their phone call they closed the school bus door, rolled up the window and drove off. My questions are: 1. Who holds liability for the location of the child when they are handed to the school this way? 2. If a child is nowhere to be found hours after they were expected to be there do the parents simply call the police immediately? Assuming no one answers from the district? 3. When a school, dispatcher and other entity is unavailable and they have someone's child what's the next legally liable step and who assumes liability here? Thank you. ​","c_root_id_A":"e8jgepn","c_root_id_B":"e8iq8gz","created_at_utc_A":1540632085,"created_at_utc_B":1540597350,"score_A":1624,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"I see a lot of people here suggesting you contact the school board and\/or the city\/county. While that is sound advice for the long term, that is not nearly enough of a step to take while a child is missing for 2-3 hours. CALL THE POLICE. Call the freaking police. Sit with the mom and ask her permission for you to call the police for her. There is absolutely zero reason anyone should tolerate their child being missing for 2+ hours, while no school or bus employee that is *supposed to be* responsible for them, knows their whereabouts. Basically, if this happens again and their child is even 15-30 minutes late. I\u2019d call the dispatch station and ask where the bus is and why it is so late. If they don\u2019t know the answer to one or either of those questions, inform them that you are going to be calling the police, then. And do it. Missing children aren\u2019t something to take lightly, and the police will probably agree. And they will track down the child and sort this shit out. Plus, who knows what those fucking creeps are doing with that\/those child\/children while they\u2019re gone for 3 hours longer than they should be. *After* the police find her child, *then* I would take it to the school board\/county\/city and have them make sure this never, *ever* happens again. For the long term. But I think drastic measures need to be taken for the short term, if a child is missing. And I feel that it\u2019s critical that I point this out. Again, missing children are absolutely not something to take lightly.","human_ref_B":"Thank you so much for helping this family. Is there any reason why the police aren\u2019t called during these long absences? Is the bus driver being legit and not doing something nefarious with the kids?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":34735.0,"score_ratio":19.1058823529} {"post_id":"9rotko","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My neighbors school bus for their 6 year old regularly shows up to two hours late and there is no one who answers at the school at the end of the school day. The parents worry when they can't locate their child. Who holds legal liability here? This is in the state of Maryland, Prince George's County in the United States. I have a few neighbors who I noticed today regularly sit outside for hours on end after I get home from work. Today I noticed the mother was in tears because the bus was three hours late. She informed the this is a regular occurrence on this route. I decided to sit with her and wait for a bit and we attempted to call: 1. The School 2. The Dispatcher 3. The county district We received no response from anyone as to the location of their 6 year old child for several hours. They permanent residents that do not speak English. When the bus arrived the bus driver responded with \"stop crying mam, I don't want your kid. I will bring them home eventually\". The person working with the bus driver responded with \"You should be telling us gracias for us bringing your kids, tell them that\". When I asked what do we do if no one answers their phone call they closed the school bus door, rolled up the window and drove off. My questions are: 1. Who holds liability for the location of the child when they are handed to the school this way? 2. If a child is nowhere to be found hours after they were expected to be there do the parents simply call the police immediately? Assuming no one answers from the district? 3. When a school, dispatcher and other entity is unavailable and they have someone's child what's the next legally liable step and who assumes liability here? Thank you. ​","c_root_id_A":"e8ikli2","c_root_id_B":"e8ijeg2","created_at_utc_A":1540591550,"created_at_utc_B":1540590393,"score_A":540,"score_B":228,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, but I live in your county. ​ I would suggest you determine what school district you are in, and then contact your representative on the board. You can also attend a meeting in person. I was not aware of this, but apparently you can even track your child's location via their bus route in P.G. ​ love, shmoo","human_ref_B":"Calling the school board with moms permission is how I would go about correcting this. If they don't listen, the government officials (town hall, mayor, ect) may very well listen. Is the kid the last kid on the route? Are you guys very far from the school?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1157.0,"score_ratio":2.3684210526} {"post_id":"9rotko","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My neighbors school bus for their 6 year old regularly shows up to two hours late and there is no one who answers at the school at the end of the school day. The parents worry when they can't locate their child. Who holds legal liability here? This is in the state of Maryland, Prince George's County in the United States. I have a few neighbors who I noticed today regularly sit outside for hours on end after I get home from work. Today I noticed the mother was in tears because the bus was three hours late. She informed the this is a regular occurrence on this route. I decided to sit with her and wait for a bit and we attempted to call: 1. The School 2. The Dispatcher 3. The county district We received no response from anyone as to the location of their 6 year old child for several hours. They permanent residents that do not speak English. When the bus arrived the bus driver responded with \"stop crying mam, I don't want your kid. I will bring them home eventually\". The person working with the bus driver responded with \"You should be telling us gracias for us bringing your kids, tell them that\". When I asked what do we do if no one answers their phone call they closed the school bus door, rolled up the window and drove off. My questions are: 1. Who holds liability for the location of the child when they are handed to the school this way? 2. If a child is nowhere to be found hours after they were expected to be there do the parents simply call the police immediately? Assuming no one answers from the district? 3. When a school, dispatcher and other entity is unavailable and they have someone's child what's the next legally liable step and who assumes liability here? Thank you. ​","c_root_id_A":"e8j6b8p","c_root_id_B":"e8ijeg2","created_at_utc_A":1540615056,"created_at_utc_B":1540590393,"score_A":278,"score_B":228,"human_ref_A":"I'm a former school bus driver. Is this the school district buses or like First Student? In my state, kids can't be on the bus more than an hour each morning & afternoon. If it's district bus, contact the head of transportation or school district CEO. Transportation should be answering all of their phones until 6-7 pm. If you're not getting anywhere, call state Education department.","human_ref_B":"Calling the school board with moms permission is how I would go about correcting this. If they don't listen, the government officials (town hall, mayor, ect) may very well listen. Is the kid the last kid on the route? Are you guys very far from the school?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":24663.0,"score_ratio":1.2192982456} {"post_id":"9rotko","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My neighbors school bus for their 6 year old regularly shows up to two hours late and there is no one who answers at the school at the end of the school day. The parents worry when they can't locate their child. Who holds legal liability here? This is in the state of Maryland, Prince George's County in the United States. I have a few neighbors who I noticed today regularly sit outside for hours on end after I get home from work. Today I noticed the mother was in tears because the bus was three hours late. She informed the this is a regular occurrence on this route. I decided to sit with her and wait for a bit and we attempted to call: 1. The School 2. The Dispatcher 3. The county district We received no response from anyone as to the location of their 6 year old child for several hours. They permanent residents that do not speak English. When the bus arrived the bus driver responded with \"stop crying mam, I don't want your kid. I will bring them home eventually\". The person working with the bus driver responded with \"You should be telling us gracias for us bringing your kids, tell them that\". When I asked what do we do if no one answers their phone call they closed the school bus door, rolled up the window and drove off. My questions are: 1. Who holds liability for the location of the child when they are handed to the school this way? 2. If a child is nowhere to be found hours after they were expected to be there do the parents simply call the police immediately? Assuming no one answers from the district? 3. When a school, dispatcher and other entity is unavailable and they have someone's child what's the next legally liable step and who assumes liability here? Thank you. ​","c_root_id_A":"e8j6b8p","c_root_id_B":"e8in8j9","created_at_utc_A":1540615056,"created_at_utc_B":1540594205,"score_A":278,"score_B":102,"human_ref_A":"I'm a former school bus driver. Is this the school district buses or like First Student? In my state, kids can't be on the bus more than an hour each morning & afternoon. If it's district bus, contact the head of transportation or school district CEO. Transportation should be answering all of their phones until 6-7 pm. If you're not getting anywhere, call state Education department.","human_ref_B":"I am not a lawyer but my parents also didn\u2019t speak English. Thank you for trying to help them Google for local associations that help people that speak that language. They might have more time and experience with schools I\u2019m a little concerned by how long the bus route takes. Usually, the school buses would drop off the kids closest to the school first. Also, you could contact the PTA to ask basic questions about the process","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20851.0,"score_ratio":2.7254901961} {"post_id":"9rotko","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My neighbors school bus for their 6 year old regularly shows up to two hours late and there is no one who answers at the school at the end of the school day. The parents worry when they can't locate their child. Who holds legal liability here? This is in the state of Maryland, Prince George's County in the United States. I have a few neighbors who I noticed today regularly sit outside for hours on end after I get home from work. Today I noticed the mother was in tears because the bus was three hours late. She informed the this is a regular occurrence on this route. I decided to sit with her and wait for a bit and we attempted to call: 1. The School 2. The Dispatcher 3. The county district We received no response from anyone as to the location of their 6 year old child for several hours. They permanent residents that do not speak English. When the bus arrived the bus driver responded with \"stop crying mam, I don't want your kid. I will bring them home eventually\". The person working with the bus driver responded with \"You should be telling us gracias for us bringing your kids, tell them that\". When I asked what do we do if no one answers their phone call they closed the school bus door, rolled up the window and drove off. My questions are: 1. Who holds liability for the location of the child when they are handed to the school this way? 2. If a child is nowhere to be found hours after they were expected to be there do the parents simply call the police immediately? Assuming no one answers from the district? 3. When a school, dispatcher and other entity is unavailable and they have someone's child what's the next legally liable step and who assumes liability here? Thank you. ​","c_root_id_A":"e8j6b8p","c_root_id_B":"e8iq8gz","created_at_utc_A":1540615056,"created_at_utc_B":1540597350,"score_A":278,"score_B":85,"human_ref_A":"I'm a former school bus driver. Is this the school district buses or like First Student? In my state, kids can't be on the bus more than an hour each morning & afternoon. If it's district bus, contact the head of transportation or school district CEO. Transportation should be answering all of their phones until 6-7 pm. If you're not getting anywhere, call state Education department.","human_ref_B":"Thank you so much for helping this family. Is there any reason why the police aren\u2019t called during these long absences? Is the bus driver being legit and not doing something nefarious with the kids?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17706.0,"score_ratio":3.2705882353} {"post_id":"9rotko","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My neighbors school bus for their 6 year old regularly shows up to two hours late and there is no one who answers at the school at the end of the school day. The parents worry when they can't locate their child. Who holds legal liability here? This is in the state of Maryland, Prince George's County in the United States. I have a few neighbors who I noticed today regularly sit outside for hours on end after I get home from work. Today I noticed the mother was in tears because the bus was three hours late. She informed the this is a regular occurrence on this route. I decided to sit with her and wait for a bit and we attempted to call: 1. The School 2. The Dispatcher 3. The county district We received no response from anyone as to the location of their 6 year old child for several hours. They permanent residents that do not speak English. When the bus arrived the bus driver responded with \"stop crying mam, I don't want your kid. I will bring them home eventually\". The person working with the bus driver responded with \"You should be telling us gracias for us bringing your kids, tell them that\". When I asked what do we do if no one answers their phone call they closed the school bus door, rolled up the window and drove off. My questions are: 1. Who holds liability for the location of the child when they are handed to the school this way? 2. If a child is nowhere to be found hours after they were expected to be there do the parents simply call the police immediately? Assuming no one answers from the district? 3. When a school, dispatcher and other entity is unavailable and they have someone's child what's the next legally liable step and who assumes liability here? Thank you. ​","c_root_id_A":"e8jysjk","c_root_id_B":"e8jxdv3","created_at_utc_A":1540658126,"created_at_utc_B":1540656796,"score_A":56,"score_B":51,"human_ref_A":"Okay so first this is massively fucked up. I'm so sorry. But I've had some experience with bus-related issues before so I can relate (although it was nowhere near as bad) With concerns like this, I would recommend the parents invest in a GPS tracking device for the kid, at least until the kid is at a preteen level. You can buy really tiny ones that essentially pin themselves into clothing or a backpack and they're totally non-invasive. It's not helicopter parenting to do this as long as the child's privacy is respected by removing it once they are old enough to recognise danger and can call the police, take the city bus a taxi etc. I use one called AngelSense and when my kid is off the school grounds it will ping his location every 10 seconds, which will not only allow them to know where the kid is, but it will draw the path the bus takes each day so if there's a massive deviation the parents will know immediately. As for liability... 1. In my jurisdiction liability is mostly on the bus company, but theres some grey area. 2. Honestly I'd be calling the dispatcher, the school and then the police, in that order if nobody picked up, even if the bus was only 15 minutes late. Each time. No excuses!! 3 hours? Wtf is the driver going to a strip club on the way? Yeah somethings fucking weird here. Even for bus packed with 70 students it should not cause a variation of 3 hours. DEFINITELY WORTH LOOKING AT.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, but a teacher... There should be a parent liaison to assist parents that do not speak the language offered by the county for free. They are typically funded by federal dollars. That may help the family get some answers. School office hours are over shortly after school ends. No surprise the phone may not have been answered there. However the transportation department should be readily available during these times. If all else fails, as it has been mentioned, even as an educator, I would call the police.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1330.0,"score_ratio":1.0980392157} {"post_id":"yb9x2a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I'm a Cashier at a Texas chain. I got scammed out of $93 by the \"quick-change scam\" and the GM wants me to pay her $100 out of my own money to cover the loss. The entire incident is on camera. I was fooled by the customer who ended up leaving the store and not waiting for her take out order which is further proof she knew what she was doing. Am I required to pay my GM? The store is under a franchise.","c_root_id_A":"itiglmt","c_root_id_B":"itgtxf8","created_at_utc_A":1666561802,"created_at_utc_B":1666539067,"score_A":37,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Not directly answering the question, but as someone who was a cashier for years and years, if anyone in a cash handling position reading this post should ever encounter a similar situation: If, at any time, you feel that something is off about a transaction, return all of the cash to the till, close it, and call a senior cashier\/manager over to assist you. You can explain very frankly that you've lost track of things and you need to have your drawer counted. Tell them that no money has been lost, the customer will be made whole in a few moments, and the entire transaction is recorded to make sure that everyone will get what's due. The senior person will take over and make things right, or at least eliminate the chance of further loss. There may be some complaining about it all, but this is the way to protect your job and the store's assets.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer What your GM is wanting is what they call a forced reconciliation. It is generally frowned on by the labor department. The GM is wanting you to make up the short fall, though if it is a 93 dollar loss, why are you being asked to pay 7 dollars more?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22735.0,"score_ratio":1.0571428571} {"post_id":"yb9x2a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I'm a Cashier at a Texas chain. I got scammed out of $93 by the \"quick-change scam\" and the GM wants me to pay her $100 out of my own money to cover the loss. The entire incident is on camera. I was fooled by the customer who ended up leaving the store and not waiting for her take out order which is further proof she knew what she was doing. Am I required to pay my GM? The store is under a franchise.","c_root_id_A":"itiglmt","c_root_id_B":"ith8u84","created_at_utc_A":1666561802,"created_at_utc_B":1666545183,"score_A":37,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"Not directly answering the question, but as someone who was a cashier for years and years, if anyone in a cash handling position reading this post should ever encounter a similar situation: If, at any time, you feel that something is off about a transaction, return all of the cash to the till, close it, and call a senior cashier\/manager over to assist you. You can explain very frankly that you've lost track of things and you need to have your drawer counted. Tell them that no money has been lost, the customer will be made whole in a few moments, and the entire transaction is recorded to make sure that everyone will get what's due. The senior person will take over and make things right, or at least eliminate the chance of further loss. There may be some complaining about it all, but this is the way to protect your job and the store's assets.","human_ref_B":"Silver lining is that it shouldn't ever happen again, as you would request your drawer to be counted if someone tries again.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":16619.0,"score_ratio":2.0555555556} {"post_id":"yb9x2a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I'm a Cashier at a Texas chain. I got scammed out of $93 by the \"quick-change scam\" and the GM wants me to pay her $100 out of my own money to cover the loss. The entire incident is on camera. I was fooled by the customer who ended up leaving the store and not waiting for her take out order which is further proof she knew what she was doing. Am I required to pay my GM? The store is under a franchise.","c_root_id_A":"itho9mb","c_root_id_B":"itiglmt","created_at_utc_A":1666551080,"created_at_utc_B":1666561802,"score_A":16,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"Had that happen to me, luckily an experienced cashier rushed over and stopped it becoming a worse disaster. I had never heard this scam","human_ref_B":"Not directly answering the question, but as someone who was a cashier for years and years, if anyone in a cash handling position reading this post should ever encounter a similar situation: If, at any time, you feel that something is off about a transaction, return all of the cash to the till, close it, and call a senior cashier\/manager over to assist you. You can explain very frankly that you've lost track of things and you need to have your drawer counted. Tell them that no money has been lost, the customer will be made whole in a few moments, and the entire transaction is recorded to make sure that everyone will get what's due. The senior person will take over and make things right, or at least eliminate the chance of further loss. There may be some complaining about it all, but this is the way to protect your job and the store's assets.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10722.0,"score_ratio":2.3125} {"post_id":"yb9x2a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I'm a Cashier at a Texas chain. I got scammed out of $93 by the \"quick-change scam\" and the GM wants me to pay her $100 out of my own money to cover the loss. The entire incident is on camera. I was fooled by the customer who ended up leaving the store and not waiting for her take out order which is further proof she knew what she was doing. Am I required to pay my GM? The store is under a franchise.","c_root_id_A":"itiglmt","c_root_id_B":"ithbinu","created_at_utc_A":1666561802,"created_at_utc_B":1666546228,"score_A":37,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Not directly answering the question, but as someone who was a cashier for years and years, if anyone in a cash handling position reading this post should ever encounter a similar situation: If, at any time, you feel that something is off about a transaction, return all of the cash to the till, close it, and call a senior cashier\/manager over to assist you. You can explain very frankly that you've lost track of things and you need to have your drawer counted. Tell them that no money has been lost, the customer will be made whole in a few moments, and the entire transaction is recorded to make sure that everyone will get what's due. The senior person will take over and make things right, or at least eliminate the chance of further loss. There may be some complaining about it all, but this is the way to protect your job and the store's assets.","human_ref_B":"I don't understand what the scam was if the $100 was real","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15574.0,"score_ratio":4.625} {"post_id":"yb9x2a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I'm a Cashier at a Texas chain. I got scammed out of $93 by the \"quick-change scam\" and the GM wants me to pay her $100 out of my own money to cover the loss. The entire incident is on camera. I was fooled by the customer who ended up leaving the store and not waiting for her take out order which is further proof she knew what she was doing. Am I required to pay my GM? The store is under a franchise.","c_root_id_A":"ithrypg","c_root_id_B":"itiglmt","created_at_utc_A":1666552477,"created_at_utc_B":1666561802,"score_A":3,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"**I am not a lawyer, DO NOT LIVE IN TX** I know that some states and businesses require that people repay any financial loss resulting from their negligence (eg, giving a customer more change than warranted, etc.). I am aware of no state, however, that requires someone to pay *more* than the actual loss. You may be legally required to pay the $93 but in no way should you be forced to pay the additional $7 as this is an unreasonable enrichment of the GM beyond the actual loss.","human_ref_B":"Not directly answering the question, but as someone who was a cashier for years and years, if anyone in a cash handling position reading this post should ever encounter a similar situation: If, at any time, you feel that something is off about a transaction, return all of the cash to the till, close it, and call a senior cashier\/manager over to assist you. You can explain very frankly that you've lost track of things and you need to have your drawer counted. Tell them that no money has been lost, the customer will be made whole in a few moments, and the entire transaction is recorded to make sure that everyone will get what's due. The senior person will take over and make things right, or at least eliminate the chance of further loss. There may be some complaining about it all, but this is the way to protect your job and the store's assets.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9325.0,"score_ratio":12.3333333333} {"post_id":"yb9x2a","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"I'm a Cashier at a Texas chain. I got scammed out of $93 by the \"quick-change scam\" and the GM wants me to pay her $100 out of my own money to cover the loss. The entire incident is on camera. I was fooled by the customer who ended up leaving the store and not waiting for her take out order which is further proof she knew what she was doing. Am I required to pay my GM? The store is under a franchise.","c_root_id_A":"itho9mb","c_root_id_B":"ithbinu","created_at_utc_A":1666551080,"created_at_utc_B":1666546228,"score_A":16,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Had that happen to me, luckily an experienced cashier rushed over and stopped it becoming a worse disaster. I had never heard this scam","human_ref_B":"I don't understand what the scam was if the $100 was real","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4852.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"z2b52g","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.86,"history":"I got a needle stick injury from a clinical rotation and my school is refusing to pay for me what should I do? Hello. I\u2019m a nursing student going to clinical rotations currently. I got a needle stick injury from my clinical rotation due to my nurse pushing me away while I was given injection. I was sent down to ER and got blood work and HAART therapy done. My school refused to pay for me and the bill is unbearable even with my medical insurance. What should I do?","c_root_id_A":"ixfyfud","c_root_id_B":"ixfwhyn","created_at_utc_A":1669174686,"created_at_utc_B":1669173673,"score_A":35,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"My nursing school told us that is recommend to have some sort of nursing student insurance. We also had to sign a form if we got hurt or anything illegal happened it\u2019s on us. Check your paperwork.","human_ref_B":"Not a layer but a nursing student. Check with your handbook and see if you signed any forms before you started the semester. My school had us sign a form acknowledging that we are solely responsible for any treatments given at clinical facilities.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1013.0,"score_ratio":2.0588235294} {"post_id":"vhh02k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Friend is having a baby, landlord raised the rent from $1200 to $2200 with 40 days notice in Glenwood Springs CO \u2013 anything that can be done? Friend is having a baby, landlord got wind and raised the rent from $1200 to $2200 with 40 days notice in Glenwood Springs CO \u2013 anything that can be done? This seems completely insane, options in this area are completely unavailable.","c_root_id_A":"id74xl7","c_root_id_B":"id7qpt4","created_at_utc_A":1655828607,"created_at_utc_B":1655838424,"score_A":676,"score_B":1011,"human_ref_A":"Does your friend have a current lease or is she month-to-month? If she has a lease, she needs to read the language for: * Rent increases * Limits to the number of occupants Does she live with the landlord (letting a room in their house vs renting a space with no landlord)? Laws in 2021 changed to give tenants some protection. Colorado limits rent increases to once per 12 months. Landlords must give 60 days notice to a tenant about a rent increase. If she has a lease in effect, she can tell the landlord to pound sand about a rent increase. She doesn't have to agree. Of course, that rent increase may come along when her lease ends. If she doesn't have a lease, the 60 day required notice **still** applies. Yes, this is a dodgy situation. See if Glenwood Springs has a tenants union or talk to a housing attorney.","human_ref_B":"Is the lease ending and the landlord is increasing the rent for the next lease? Most leases you can't just increase the rent because you feel like it in the middle of the term of the lease. There is usually an agreed upon rent for the whole lease.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9817.0,"score_ratio":1.4955621302} {"post_id":"vhh02k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Friend is having a baby, landlord raised the rent from $1200 to $2200 with 40 days notice in Glenwood Springs CO \u2013 anything that can be done? Friend is having a baby, landlord got wind and raised the rent from $1200 to $2200 with 40 days notice in Glenwood Springs CO \u2013 anything that can be done? This seems completely insane, options in this area are completely unavailable.","c_root_id_A":"id8e6mx","c_root_id_B":"id8eup3","created_at_utc_A":1655849214,"created_at_utc_B":1655849522,"score_A":5,"score_B":59,"human_ref_A":"If the lease is month to month the LL can raise the rent anytime subject to time notification limits in your state\/jurisdiction. In my state, Michigan, a LL has to give at least 30 days (1 month) notice.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer. Looks like there's no cap to how much a landlord can increase rent in CO, but it does look like they can only raise it once in a continuous 12 month period, and must give 60 days notice to all tenants without a written agreement. If there were previous raises in the rent in the past this may qualify as an illegal raise in rent. Otherwise this may be best to call an attorney or your housing dept in the area. EDIT: It also looks like there's a way to combat retaliation rent raises if the landlord is doing it for a familial reason. If there's any proof that the landlord was aware there would be a new child introduced into the apartments it's possible you'd have a case against a retaliation rent raise https:\/\/ipropertymanagement.com\/laws\/rent-increases-fees-in-colorado","labels":0,"seconds_difference":308.0,"score_ratio":11.8} {"post_id":"vhh02k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Friend is having a baby, landlord raised the rent from $1200 to $2200 with 40 days notice in Glenwood Springs CO \u2013 anything that can be done? Friend is having a baby, landlord got wind and raised the rent from $1200 to $2200 with 40 days notice in Glenwood Springs CO \u2013 anything that can be done? This seems completely insane, options in this area are completely unavailable.","c_root_id_A":"id8feoh","c_root_id_B":"id8e6mx","created_at_utc_A":1655849777,"created_at_utc_B":1655849214,"score_A":51,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"There isn't enough information here. Is there a written lease? What is the term? When does it end? If it is month to month or the term is about to end, it is possible that the landlord could raise the rent. However, Colorado recently passed a law that only allows rent to be raised once per year. Was rent raised within the last year? Also, Colorado requires notice of 60 days before rent is increased unless something different was agreed to in the lease. Again, is there a written lease and what is the time period specified for increasing rent in that lease? If there is no written lease, the notice must be 60 days. Colorado does not limit the amount of rent increase by landlords. If your friend qualifies financially, she may apply for legal representation through Colorado Legal Services. If not, she would need to hire an attorney who handles landlord\/tenant law, although that will likely cost several thousand dollars.","human_ref_B":"If the lease is month to month the LL can raise the rent anytime subject to time notification limits in your state\/jurisdiction. In my state, Michigan, a LL has to give at least 30 days (1 month) notice.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":563.0,"score_ratio":10.2} {"post_id":"vhh02k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Friend is having a baby, landlord raised the rent from $1200 to $2200 with 40 days notice in Glenwood Springs CO \u2013 anything that can be done? Friend is having a baby, landlord got wind and raised the rent from $1200 to $2200 with 40 days notice in Glenwood Springs CO \u2013 anything that can be done? This seems completely insane, options in this area are completely unavailable.","c_root_id_A":"id8obwa","c_root_id_B":"id8e6mx","created_at_utc_A":1655853994,"created_at_utc_B":1655849214,"score_A":34,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Hey OP, fellow Coloradan here. A local option: Alpine Legal Services has offered Tenants' Rights workshops in the past and may be able to help. They also have \"Ask A Lawyer\" consultations by phone on Wednesday evenings (so, tomorrow!). I feel for you, the housing market is batshit here.","human_ref_B":"If the lease is month to month the LL can raise the rent anytime subject to time notification limits in your state\/jurisdiction. In my state, Michigan, a LL has to give at least 30 days (1 month) notice.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4780.0,"score_ratio":6.8} {"post_id":"vhh02k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Friend is having a baby, landlord raised the rent from $1200 to $2200 with 40 days notice in Glenwood Springs CO \u2013 anything that can be done? Friend is having a baby, landlord got wind and raised the rent from $1200 to $2200 with 40 days notice in Glenwood Springs CO \u2013 anything that can be done? This seems completely insane, options in this area are completely unavailable.","c_root_id_A":"id8e6mx","c_root_id_B":"id8ykkq","created_at_utc_A":1655849214,"created_at_utc_B":1655859006,"score_A":5,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"If the lease is month to month the LL can raise the rent anytime subject to time notification limits in your state\/jurisdiction. In my state, Michigan, a LL has to give at least 30 days (1 month) notice.","human_ref_B":"No one can really answer this without knowing what the lease says.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9792.0,"score_ratio":4.6} {"post_id":"kh8lmv","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Parents bought a plot of land and built a house on it more than 30 years ago. No Title exists right now, are we going to have problems? New Jersey, USA. My parents are doing end of life stuff right now and they want to be able to give the house to their kids when they pass. They have a property deed and at the time they bought the house, they made themselves the contractors and sub contracted out all the materials and work related to building the house. They borrowed the money in order to do this as those expenses came up. Right now, they own everything outright, but it wasn't really a mortgage taken out from a bank to buy the house and there was never a Title to the house. So what do we do right now 30 years later and we reconcile the ownership of the house. Do we need to hunt down all the receipts and invoices for the costs? Does the house need to be appraised. Is the property deed enough to distribute ownership between my siblings? What should we do and what should we watch out for?","c_root_id_A":"ggk00dp","c_root_id_B":"ggjvodl","created_at_utc_A":1608524454,"created_at_utc_B":1608521801,"score_A":9,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"I would make sure all the proper permitting was done, if not that could be an issue. But yeah there aren't any separate documents for the house, the deed to the land will include structures upon it. You'll probably want an appraisal if you're going to sell it.","human_ref_B":"Houses do not have deeds as far as I'm aware, the deed for the land is all you would need, since everything on the land would fall under its ownership.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2653.0,"score_ratio":1.125} {"post_id":"5pyauh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Parents bought a FSBO house in Houston, Tx 7 years ago and they are about to pay it off. Current owner refuses to give them a statement and they're starting to get uneasy about the owner refusing to transfer the title. This is the situation: The sale was done from owner to owner, not using a mortgage broker. They have been making the payments directly to the owner, keeping copies of the checks, etc, and the owner would provide them with a statement every quarter with their balance due, etc, but since last year, he stopped doing that. I ran a spreadsheet for them, and they have 5 payments left on the house. We sent a letter once again asking for the statement and attached a copy of the spreadsheet, and now he's stopped all communication. Although there was a contract, and they do have copies of every check cashed, they're starting to become uneasy about the owner not wanting to transfer the title once they make the last payment and want to start preparing if it does come to that. What are their options for the time being? Thank you!!","c_root_id_A":"dcus4v1","c_root_id_B":"dcutwhe","created_at_utc_A":1485287964,"created_at_utc_B":1485289910,"score_A":16,"score_B":52,"human_ref_A":"For the time being, just keep current on the payments. When the final payment is delivered (in person if possible but I don't know what the contract says about this), demand, in writing (keep a copy), a general warranty deed be executed and delivered within # days. That should cover all bases if this go to pot.","human_ref_B":"This sounds more like a rent to own, which puts you in a more precarious position than a seller financed FSBO. They should certainly talk to their lawyer ASAP.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1946.0,"score_ratio":3.25} {"post_id":"5pyauh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Parents bought a FSBO house in Houston, Tx 7 years ago and they are about to pay it off. Current owner refuses to give them a statement and they're starting to get uneasy about the owner refusing to transfer the title. This is the situation: The sale was done from owner to owner, not using a mortgage broker. They have been making the payments directly to the owner, keeping copies of the checks, etc, and the owner would provide them with a statement every quarter with their balance due, etc, but since last year, he stopped doing that. I ran a spreadsheet for them, and they have 5 payments left on the house. We sent a letter once again asking for the statement and attached a copy of the spreadsheet, and now he's stopped all communication. Although there was a contract, and they do have copies of every check cashed, they're starting to become uneasy about the owner not wanting to transfer the title once they make the last payment and want to start preparing if it does come to that. What are their options for the time being? Thank you!!","c_root_id_A":"dcuw863","c_root_id_B":"dcus4v1","created_at_utc_A":1485292466,"created_at_utc_B":1485287964,"score_A":33,"score_B":16,"human_ref_A":"Did your parents verify that the previous owner owned the house free and clear? Did the contract prevent the owner taking out loans on the property? Did they buy title insurance at the closing? Based on the behavior you describe, I suspect that the owner has taken out loans, and that there are liens on the house, and he won't be able to deliver the title when the purchase is paid off.","human_ref_B":"For the time being, just keep current on the payments. When the final payment is delivered (in person if possible but I don't know what the contract says about this), demand, in writing (keep a copy), a general warranty deed be executed and delivered within # days. That should cover all bases if this go to pot.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4502.0,"score_ratio":2.0625} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"havykfm","c_root_id_B":"haw8nty","created_at_utc_A":1630294643,"created_at_utc_B":1630300679,"score_A":2,"score_B":866,"human_ref_A":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/jarredhk\r \r Title: **Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago?**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) > > Thank you!! Please help!\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.99998891 ^109\/37rds | Report Issues | >!adEb1pVeCtmYyUjb!<","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer. You should have a seller disclosure form in your closing package which contains a series of questions regarding the property that the seller is required to answer. You may look in there to see if it references any known plumbing or pipe issues. If they answered no, and you have proof to the contrary, that may be a big help. Your agent may be able to help you as well. Good luck!","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6036.0,"score_ratio":433.0} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hawrk34","c_root_id_B":"hawuwjg","created_at_utc_A":1630316080,"created_at_utc_B":1630318829,"score_A":70,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"It would depend on whether in your jurisdiction the nature of the problem was one of the things that had to be disclosed on pre-sale disclosures.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, whoever handled the closing on this property is probably a good first point of contact. This is very much \"consult with a real estate attorney\" territory. Whoever handled the closing will likely know what is or is not covered in the papers signed by seller\/buyer coupled to state\/county\/municipal regulations.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2749.0,"score_ratio":1.3857142857} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hawuwjg","c_root_id_B":"hawdbh4","created_at_utc_A":1630318829,"created_at_utc_B":1630304039,"score_A":97,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, whoever handled the closing on this property is probably a good first point of contact. This is very much \"consult with a real estate attorney\" territory. Whoever handled the closing will likely know what is or is not covered in the papers signed by seller\/buyer coupled to state\/county\/municipal regulations.","human_ref_B":"A few questions, how did you do an inspection and not find and active collapsed pipe? Was no water flushed? How did you not notice within hours of closing using the plumbing? Your problem I suspect is the plumber you hired to do the snaking might have collapsed the pipe. It was likely already damaged by roots or clogged. The short answer to your question however is yes you can sue, but can you prove your brothers friend told the seller about the collapse pipe or did they just say the water is draining slow we suspect a bad pipe. Was there an email disclosing this to the seller the pipe was collapsed and not just clogged? You can absolutely sue but you need your evidence lined up. You need to show the friend has proof there was a collapsed pipe and it was disclosed to the sellers agent and seller. Edit: I agree sewage inspection is NOT standard and extra, but my inspector filled up a tub and also flushed toilets. A collapsed sewage line would have immediately but noticed just by running water.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14790.0,"score_ratio":2.3658536585} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hawsew5","c_root_id_B":"hawuwjg","created_at_utc_A":1630316804,"created_at_utc_B":1630318829,"score_A":18,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"A year is quite a long time.... The legal cost would more than likely be way more than the cost to fix the problem. It sucks but you did everything you could to mitigate the risk.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, whoever handled the closing on this property is probably a good first point of contact. This is very much \"consult with a real estate attorney\" territory. Whoever handled the closing will likely know what is or is not covered in the papers signed by seller\/buyer coupled to state\/county\/municipal regulations.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2025.0,"score_ratio":5.3888888889} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hawuwjg","c_root_id_B":"hawl3pe","created_at_utc_A":1630318829,"created_at_utc_B":1630310422,"score_A":97,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, whoever handled the closing on this property is probably a good first point of contact. This is very much \"consult with a real estate attorney\" territory. Whoever handled the closing will likely know what is or is not covered in the papers signed by seller\/buyer coupled to state\/county\/municipal regulations.","human_ref_B":"You would be better off filing a complaint with the Realtor Board in your state. The agent would not risk his license over a $10k repair.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8407.0,"score_ratio":10.7777777778} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"havykfm","c_root_id_B":"hawuwjg","created_at_utc_A":1630294643,"created_at_utc_B":1630318829,"score_A":2,"score_B":97,"human_ref_A":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/jarredhk\r \r Title: **Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago?**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) > > Thank you!! Please help!\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.99998891 ^109\/37rds | Report Issues | >!adEb1pVeCtmYyUjb!<","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, whoever handled the closing on this property is probably a good first point of contact. This is very much \"consult with a real estate attorney\" territory. Whoever handled the closing will likely know what is or is not covered in the papers signed by seller\/buyer coupled to state\/county\/municipal regulations.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":24186.0,"score_ratio":48.5} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hawrk34","c_root_id_B":"hawdbh4","created_at_utc_A":1630316080,"created_at_utc_B":1630304039,"score_A":70,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"It would depend on whether in your jurisdiction the nature of the problem was one of the things that had to be disclosed on pre-sale disclosures.","human_ref_B":"A few questions, how did you do an inspection and not find and active collapsed pipe? Was no water flushed? How did you not notice within hours of closing using the plumbing? Your problem I suspect is the plumber you hired to do the snaking might have collapsed the pipe. It was likely already damaged by roots or clogged. The short answer to your question however is yes you can sue, but can you prove your brothers friend told the seller about the collapse pipe or did they just say the water is draining slow we suspect a bad pipe. Was there an email disclosing this to the seller the pipe was collapsed and not just clogged? You can absolutely sue but you need your evidence lined up. You need to show the friend has proof there was a collapsed pipe and it was disclosed to the sellers agent and seller. Edit: I agree sewage inspection is NOT standard and extra, but my inspector filled up a tub and also flushed toilets. A collapsed sewage line would have immediately but noticed just by running water.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12041.0,"score_ratio":1.7073170732} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hawl3pe","c_root_id_B":"hawrk34","created_at_utc_A":1630310422,"created_at_utc_B":1630316080,"score_A":9,"score_B":70,"human_ref_A":"You would be better off filing a complaint with the Realtor Board in your state. The agent would not risk his license over a $10k repair.","human_ref_B":"It would depend on whether in your jurisdiction the nature of the problem was one of the things that had to be disclosed on pre-sale disclosures.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5658.0,"score_ratio":7.7777777778} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"havykfm","c_root_id_B":"hawrk34","created_at_utc_A":1630294643,"created_at_utc_B":1630316080,"score_A":2,"score_B":70,"human_ref_A":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/jarredhk\r \r Title: **Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago?**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) > > Thank you!! Please help!\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.99998891 ^109\/37rds | Report Issues | >!adEb1pVeCtmYyUjb!<","human_ref_B":"It would depend on whether in your jurisdiction the nature of the problem was one of the things that had to be disclosed on pre-sale disclosures.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21437.0,"score_ratio":35.0} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hawdbh4","c_root_id_B":"havykfm","created_at_utc_A":1630304039,"created_at_utc_B":1630294643,"score_A":41,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"A few questions, how did you do an inspection and not find and active collapsed pipe? Was no water flushed? How did you not notice within hours of closing using the plumbing? Your problem I suspect is the plumber you hired to do the snaking might have collapsed the pipe. It was likely already damaged by roots or clogged. The short answer to your question however is yes you can sue, but can you prove your brothers friend told the seller about the collapse pipe or did they just say the water is draining slow we suspect a bad pipe. Was there an email disclosing this to the seller the pipe was collapsed and not just clogged? You can absolutely sue but you need your evidence lined up. You need to show the friend has proof there was a collapsed pipe and it was disclosed to the sellers agent and seller. Edit: I agree sewage inspection is NOT standard and extra, but my inspector filled up a tub and also flushed toilets. A collapsed sewage line would have immediately but noticed just by running water.","human_ref_B":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/jarredhk\r \r Title: **Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago?**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) > > Thank you!! Please help!\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.99998891 ^109\/37rds | Report Issues | >!adEb1pVeCtmYyUjb!<","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9396.0,"score_ratio":20.5} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"haxtre0","c_root_id_B":"hawl3pe","created_at_utc_A":1630337501,"created_at_utc_B":1630310422,"score_A":18,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"When I sold real estate in NC I was required to disclose any major defects I personally knew about even if the seller chose not to disclose them. These often came up as a result of an inspection in a failed sale, just as you described. You should take this to the Board of Realtors. Even if the actual seller did not make a disclosure, you can probably sue the realtor for failing in his duties. (I am not a lawyer, just a retired Real Estate Broker).","human_ref_B":"You would be better off filing a complaint with the Realtor Board in your state. The agent would not risk his license over a $10k repair.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27079.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"haxtre0","c_root_id_B":"hax1gcn","created_at_utc_A":1630337501,"created_at_utc_B":1630323581,"score_A":18,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"When I sold real estate in NC I was required to disclose any major defects I personally knew about even if the seller chose not to disclose them. These often came up as a result of an inspection in a failed sale, just as you described. You should take this to the Board of Realtors. Even if the actual seller did not make a disclosure, you can probably sue the realtor for failing in his duties. (I am not a lawyer, just a retired Real Estate Broker).","human_ref_B":"Can you sue? Yes. Do you have a chance at winning? Doubtful. Even if you can prove they knew there was an issue with the pipe, you will have a difficult time proving that it was an issue that HAD TO BE addressed before you bought the house. To say that another way: You were able to enjoy the house for a year with no problems, before you noticed the pipe being slanted. Your use of the house was not diminished. You also had an inspection done, and your own inspector failed to catch the pipe as an issue.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13920.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"haxtre0","c_root_id_B":"hawylk5","created_at_utc_A":1630337501,"created_at_utc_B":1630321645,"score_A":18,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"When I sold real estate in NC I was required to disclose any major defects I personally knew about even if the seller chose not to disclose them. These often came up as a result of an inspection in a failed sale, just as you described. You should take this to the Board of Realtors. Even if the actual seller did not make a disclosure, you can probably sue the realtor for failing in his duties. (I am not a lawyer, just a retired Real Estate Broker).","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, Pretty much what everyone else said about disclosures and such. Also if you bought it as is then you pretty much stuck. I think you would have to have documentation showing you had asked him to list everything wrong with the house even if you are buying as is so you could make an informed decision. Then if he lied and didn't tell you about the pipe when he knew you might have a case because you could get the real estate agent to document what he knew and then the seller might be on the hook. As for the inspector, again you are paying for a service. If you look at the inspectors web site and it says inspections include plumbing then you might have a case. The inspectors I have dealt with gave me a laundry list of items they look for and if you want something different it becomes an additional cost. I am guessing this is going to be an expensive life lesson you will never forget. When I built my first home I was a total noob and they got me. The next person I buy a home from (after all this craziness) is going to have a difficult time putting one over on me. It happens and hopefully you don't make the same mistake in the future. Live, Learn, and Do Better.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15856.0,"score_ratio":3.6} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"haxtre0","c_root_id_B":"hax3zlj","created_at_utc_A":1630337501,"created_at_utc_B":1630325180,"score_A":18,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"When I sold real estate in NC I was required to disclose any major defects I personally knew about even if the seller chose not to disclose them. These often came up as a result of an inspection in a failed sale, just as you described. You should take this to the Board of Realtors. Even if the actual seller did not make a disclosure, you can probably sue the realtor for failing in his duties. (I am not a lawyer, just a retired Real Estate Broker).","human_ref_B":"this will depend heavily on your state. A lawyer would probably do a free consult.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12321.0,"score_ratio":3.0} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"haxe2kj","c_root_id_B":"haxtre0","created_at_utc_A":1630330594,"created_at_utc_B":1630337501,"score_A":4,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"What does your purchase contract say? That\u2019s what matters legally.","human_ref_B":"When I sold real estate in NC I was required to disclose any major defects I personally knew about even if the seller chose not to disclose them. These often came up as a result of an inspection in a failed sale, just as you described. You should take this to the Board of Realtors. Even if the actual seller did not make a disclosure, you can probably sue the realtor for failing in his duties. (I am not a lawyer, just a retired Real Estate Broker).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6907.0,"score_ratio":4.5} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"havykfm","c_root_id_B":"haxtre0","created_at_utc_A":1630294643,"created_at_utc_B":1630337501,"score_A":2,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/jarredhk\r \r Title: **Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago?**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) > > Thank you!! Please help!\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.99998891 ^109\/37rds | Report Issues | >!adEb1pVeCtmYyUjb!<","human_ref_B":"When I sold real estate in NC I was required to disclose any major defects I personally knew about even if the seller chose not to disclose them. These often came up as a result of an inspection in a failed sale, just as you described. You should take this to the Board of Realtors. Even if the actual seller did not make a disclosure, you can probably sue the realtor for failing in his duties. (I am not a lawyer, just a retired Real Estate Broker).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":42858.0,"score_ratio":9.0} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"haxoxxo","c_root_id_B":"haxtre0","created_at_utc_A":1630335436,"created_at_utc_B":1630337501,"score_A":2,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"You'd have to say what jurisdiction you're in, but let's say you're in the US. There's 2 ways you could go after the seller: (1) the state where the property is located requires a disclosure form to be given to the buyer and either the seller did not fill out the form or put false info on it, or (2) it's something that the seller actively tried to conceal (i.e., they painted around the area to hide previous water damage). Your best bet is probably no. 1. You should look into this. You should try to figure out what the statute of limitations is on a case like this. It could very well be a year from closing, so you may need to hurry. Also, you should try to get written evidence from the brother's customer showing that the seller knew about the issue before you bought the house. Maybe they have an email asking for the seller to fix it that they could forward to you. Having this evidence would be crucial to winning anything. The fact that it has been over a year would otherwise make it difficult to prove that this problem didn't happen after you bought the house.","human_ref_B":"When I sold real estate in NC I was required to disclose any major defects I personally knew about even if the seller chose not to disclose them. These often came up as a result of an inspection in a failed sale, just as you described. You should take this to the Board of Realtors. Even if the actual seller did not make a disclosure, you can probably sue the realtor for failing in his duties. (I am not a lawyer, just a retired Real Estate Broker).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2065.0,"score_ratio":9.0} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hawl3pe","c_root_id_B":"hawsew5","created_at_utc_A":1630310422,"created_at_utc_B":1630316804,"score_A":9,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"You would be better off filing a complaint with the Realtor Board in your state. The agent would not risk his license over a $10k repair.","human_ref_B":"A year is quite a long time.... The legal cost would more than likely be way more than the cost to fix the problem. It sucks but you did everything you could to mitigate the risk.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6382.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hawsew5","c_root_id_B":"havykfm","created_at_utc_A":1630316804,"created_at_utc_B":1630294643,"score_A":18,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"A year is quite a long time.... The legal cost would more than likely be way more than the cost to fix the problem. It sucks but you did everything you could to mitigate the risk.","human_ref_B":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/jarredhk\r \r Title: **Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago?**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) > > Thank you!! Please help!\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.99998891 ^109\/37rds | Report Issues | >!adEb1pVeCtmYyUjb!<","labels":1,"seconds_difference":22161.0,"score_ratio":9.0} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hawl3pe","c_root_id_B":"havykfm","created_at_utc_A":1630310422,"created_at_utc_B":1630294643,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You would be better off filing a complaint with the Realtor Board in your state. The agent would not risk his license over a $10k repair.","human_ref_B":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/jarredhk\r \r Title: **Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago?**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) > > Thank you!! Please help!\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.99998891 ^109\/37rds | Report Issues | >!adEb1pVeCtmYyUjb!<","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15779.0,"score_ratio":4.5} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hawylk5","c_root_id_B":"hax1gcn","created_at_utc_A":1630321645,"created_at_utc_B":1630323581,"score_A":5,"score_B":9,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, Pretty much what everyone else said about disclosures and such. Also if you bought it as is then you pretty much stuck. I think you would have to have documentation showing you had asked him to list everything wrong with the house even if you are buying as is so you could make an informed decision. Then if he lied and didn't tell you about the pipe when he knew you might have a case because you could get the real estate agent to document what he knew and then the seller might be on the hook. As for the inspector, again you are paying for a service. If you look at the inspectors web site and it says inspections include plumbing then you might have a case. The inspectors I have dealt with gave me a laundry list of items they look for and if you want something different it becomes an additional cost. I am guessing this is going to be an expensive life lesson you will never forget. When I built my first home I was a total noob and they got me. The next person I buy a home from (after all this craziness) is going to have a difficult time putting one over on me. It happens and hopefully you don't make the same mistake in the future. Live, Learn, and Do Better.","human_ref_B":"Can you sue? Yes. Do you have a chance at winning? Doubtful. Even if you can prove they knew there was an issue with the pipe, you will have a difficult time proving that it was an issue that HAD TO BE addressed before you bought the house. To say that another way: You were able to enjoy the house for a year with no problems, before you noticed the pipe being slanted. Your use of the house was not diminished. You also had an inspection done, and your own inspector failed to catch the pipe as an issue.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1936.0,"score_ratio":1.8} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hax1gcn","c_root_id_B":"havykfm","created_at_utc_A":1630323581,"created_at_utc_B":1630294643,"score_A":9,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Can you sue? Yes. Do you have a chance at winning? Doubtful. Even if you can prove they knew there was an issue with the pipe, you will have a difficult time proving that it was an issue that HAD TO BE addressed before you bought the house. To say that another way: You were able to enjoy the house for a year with no problems, before you noticed the pipe being slanted. Your use of the house was not diminished. You also had an inspection done, and your own inspector failed to catch the pipe as an issue.","human_ref_B":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/jarredhk\r \r Title: **Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago?**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) > > Thank you!! Please help!\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.99998891 ^109\/37rds | Report Issues | >!adEb1pVeCtmYyUjb!<","labels":1,"seconds_difference":28938.0,"score_ratio":4.5} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hax3zlj","c_root_id_B":"hawylk5","created_at_utc_A":1630325180,"created_at_utc_B":1630321645,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"this will depend heavily on your state. A lawyer would probably do a free consult.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, Pretty much what everyone else said about disclosures and such. Also if you bought it as is then you pretty much stuck. I think you would have to have documentation showing you had asked him to list everything wrong with the house even if you are buying as is so you could make an informed decision. Then if he lied and didn't tell you about the pipe when he knew you might have a case because you could get the real estate agent to document what he knew and then the seller might be on the hook. As for the inspector, again you are paying for a service. If you look at the inspectors web site and it says inspections include plumbing then you might have a case. The inspectors I have dealt with gave me a laundry list of items they look for and if you want something different it becomes an additional cost. I am guessing this is going to be an expensive life lesson you will never forget. When I built my first home I was a total noob and they got me. The next person I buy a home from (after all this craziness) is going to have a difficult time putting one over on me. It happens and hopefully you don't make the same mistake in the future. Live, Learn, and Do Better.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3535.0,"score_ratio":1.2} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"havykfm","c_root_id_B":"hawylk5","created_at_utc_A":1630294643,"created_at_utc_B":1630321645,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/jarredhk\r \r Title: **Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago?**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) > > Thank you!! Please help!\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.99998891 ^109\/37rds | Report Issues | >!adEb1pVeCtmYyUjb!<","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer, Pretty much what everyone else said about disclosures and such. Also if you bought it as is then you pretty much stuck. I think you would have to have documentation showing you had asked him to list everything wrong with the house even if you are buying as is so you could make an informed decision. Then if he lied and didn't tell you about the pipe when he knew you might have a case because you could get the real estate agent to document what he knew and then the seller might be on the hook. As for the inspector, again you are paying for a service. If you look at the inspectors web site and it says inspections include plumbing then you might have a case. The inspectors I have dealt with gave me a laundry list of items they look for and if you want something different it becomes an additional cost. I am guessing this is going to be an expensive life lesson you will never forget. When I built my first home I was a total noob and they got me. The next person I buy a home from (after all this craziness) is going to have a difficult time putting one over on me. It happens and hopefully you don't make the same mistake in the future. Live, Learn, and Do Better.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":27002.0,"score_ratio":2.5} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"havykfm","c_root_id_B":"hax3zlj","created_at_utc_A":1630294643,"created_at_utc_B":1630325180,"score_A":2,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/jarredhk\r \r Title: **Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago?**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) > > Thank you!! Please help!\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.99998891 ^109\/37rds | Report Issues | >!adEb1pVeCtmYyUjb!<","human_ref_B":"this will depend heavily on your state. A lawyer would probably do a free consult.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":30537.0,"score_ratio":3.0} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"havykfm","c_root_id_B":"haxe2kj","created_at_utc_A":1630294643,"created_at_utc_B":1630330594,"score_A":2,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/jarredhk\r \r Title: **Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago?**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) > > Thank you!! Please help!\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.99998891 ^109\/37rds | Report Issues | >!adEb1pVeCtmYyUjb!<","human_ref_B":"What does your purchase contract say? That\u2019s what matters legally.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":35951.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"havykfm","c_root_id_B":"haydq3q","created_at_utc_A":1630294643,"created_at_utc_B":1630345761,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/jarredhk\r \r Title: **Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago?**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) > > Thank you!! Please help!\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.99998891 ^109\/37rds | Report Issues | >!adEb1pVeCtmYyUjb!<","human_ref_B":"I would be more concerned about the inspector missing that when your handyman brother noticed it right away. Sellers often cover shady stuff, but the inspection is supposed to find that stuff.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":51118.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"haydq3q","c_root_id_B":"haxoxxo","created_at_utc_A":1630345761,"created_at_utc_B":1630335436,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I would be more concerned about the inspector missing that when your handyman brother noticed it right away. Sellers often cover shady stuff, but the inspection is supposed to find that stuff.","human_ref_B":"You'd have to say what jurisdiction you're in, but let's say you're in the US. There's 2 ways you could go after the seller: (1) the state where the property is located requires a disclosure form to be given to the buyer and either the seller did not fill out the form or put false info on it, or (2) it's something that the seller actively tried to conceal (i.e., they painted around the area to hide previous water damage). Your best bet is probably no. 1. You should look into this. You should try to figure out what the statute of limitations is on a case like this. It could very well be a year from closing, so you may need to hurry. Also, you should try to get written evidence from the brother's customer showing that the seller knew about the issue before you bought the house. Maybe they have an email asking for the seller to fix it that they could forward to you. Having this evidence would be crucial to winning anything. The fact that it has been over a year would otherwise make it difficult to prove that this problem didn't happen after you bought the house.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10325.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hayv91z","c_root_id_B":"havykfm","created_at_utc_A":1630353019,"created_at_utc_B":1630294643,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If the pipe issue was discovered during an inspection prior to your offer, it is a material fact and has to be disclosed. Period.","human_ref_B":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/jarredhk\r \r Title: **Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago?**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) > > Thank you!! Please help!\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.99998891 ^109\/37rds | Report Issues | >!adEb1pVeCtmYyUjb!<","labels":1,"seconds_difference":58376.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"haxoxxo","c_root_id_B":"hayv91z","created_at_utc_A":1630335436,"created_at_utc_B":1630353019,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"You'd have to say what jurisdiction you're in, but let's say you're in the US. There's 2 ways you could go after the seller: (1) the state where the property is located requires a disclosure form to be given to the buyer and either the seller did not fill out the form or put false info on it, or (2) it's something that the seller actively tried to conceal (i.e., they painted around the area to hide previous water damage). Your best bet is probably no. 1. You should look into this. You should try to figure out what the statute of limitations is on a case like this. It could very well be a year from closing, so you may need to hurry. Also, you should try to get written evidence from the brother's customer showing that the seller knew about the issue before you bought the house. Maybe they have an email asking for the seller to fix it that they could forward to you. Having this evidence would be crucial to winning anything. The fact that it has been over a year would otherwise make it difficult to prove that this problem didn't happen after you bought the house.","human_ref_B":"If the pipe issue was discovered during an inspection prior to your offer, it is a material fact and has to be disclosed. Period.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17583.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"pea736","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Can I sue the person I bought my house from a year ago? I bought my first house almost a year ago, no disclaimers on the ad or selling papers, and the inspector said it was good so I thought I lucked out. My brother owns a handyman business and mentioned it was weird one of the pipes were slanted. He called a plumber to see what they thought. They snaked the pipe and 9ft in it was collapsed, sandwiched. Immediately We got multiple quotes and went forward in fixing it. One of my brothers customers is a realtor and later when he found out what house I bought he mentioned he almost bought that exact one! My brother asked why he didn\u2019t. He told my brother he found out the pipe collapsed and told the seller to fix it or he would back out of the purchase, they said no and he backed out. But fast forwarding to now he never told us about the pipe or put a disclaimer but knew about it the whole time\u2026 I did more digging\u2026 The SELLER was the WIFE of the SELLING REALTOR. Can I sue them to get my money back from the amount the job costed? ($10,000) Thank you!! Please help!","c_root_id_A":"hayv91z","c_root_id_B":"hayq6rt","created_at_utc_A":1630353019,"created_at_utc_B":1630350927,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If the pipe issue was discovered during an inspection prior to your offer, it is a material fact and has to be disclosed. Period.","human_ref_B":"I think it's going to depend on several things. Side note, I'm not a lawyer. I am, however, trying to buy a house and we've been through several offers, inspections, etc and had to withdraw. The market is crazy since covid and people have been trying to sell their houses for insane amounts. Buyers are definitely driving the prices up and people are throwing out cash offers at almost anything. People are buying properties unseen, or with no inspection, no appraisal etc. Sellers seem to not gaf... They're putting things out there as is. I happen to live in a \"buyer beware\" state, which means if we buy, we are SOL and stuck to whatever we agreed upon. Are you in a state like that? Honestly, my first thought is that your inspector is liable for letting that pass. We've noticed that the inspectors we have used are incredibly observant, detailed, and thorough. For example, there was a crack in the driveway of a house we looked at months ago. There were little things here and there. The retaining walls looked like they were coming apart. One might not put all of that together per say, but the crack in the concrete ran into the garage and the retaining wall in need of most repair was on the same side of that house. It was at the top of a hill... The house was only 25 yo, but that's a significant problem because the house may continue to split and slide. The roof also was as old as the house. To the naked eye, it didn't look bad, but up close you could see that there were no granules left on the shingles. Prior to the inspection, we didn't notice these issues. The listing agent told us there had been a previous contract where the financing fell through, but they had had an inspection done and the roof was fiiiiiiine. She said we might find a few things here and there. She also told us that both HVAC s were less than 5 yo. The truth was she's a liar... one HVAC was 5 and one was 7yo and the 7 yo one needed work. I don't know the exact total of all of the things the inspector listed because there were so many, but they were color coded by what needed repairs ... Red-dire, yellow-concerning, green- may need inspection from a professional. Something is that nature. We chose 30 of the dire issues (there were more, but we chose the worst). We sent it to the listing agent, to which she said to our agent, \"are they serious with this?\" I am SO thankful that we found such an amazing group of inspectors. That house looked move in ready and it seriously wasn't. If that inspector had missed those things and we had bought the house, we wouldn't be able to recover any money from the previous owner, but I certainly would have turned to the inspector and looked to get some sort of restitution. They are thorough because they have to be, their company's reputation and finances depend on their accuracy. I'd start with talking to a lawyer over the inspection first.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2092.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"grpx79","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.95,"history":"Help, trying to get out of an automatically renewing lease. Can I terminate this month-to-month lease renewal if roommate doesn't want to terminate? Landlord says I can't I rent a place in Maryland. I want to terminate the lease (i.e. I want to leave), but my roommate does not. We have not been on good terms, so asking my roommate to compromise or something is not an option. At this point, the lease is month-to-month, as the initial term has ended. According to the lease: >\"At the end of the one-year initial term of this lease agreement, a month-to-month, automatically renewable tenancy is created.\" I have notified the Landlord one month prior, as is specified in the lease: >\"Tenant may terminate this Lease by providing Landlord with at least one (1) full month's prior written notice to vacate--to run from the first of the month to the last day of the same month.\" However, they responded that both me and my roommate (i.e. both co-tenants) must agree to terminate the lease; otherwise, I have to continue paying rent (or at least, I'm still liable for rent, any damages, etc). My roommate refuses to agree to this until a replacement roommate can be found. As I understand it, there is no way to just terminate \"my part\" since we are co-tenants, and instead the entire lease would need to be terminated. My roommate would then need to sign a new lease with the landlord. Does this mean I'm legally locked into this automatically renewing lease until my roommate says I can leave? Will I be liable if I give written notice a month before and then just stop paying rent? Note: Security deposit is not an issue at this point. However, another wrinkle to this issue is that the co-signer at the moment is my family friend (and not my roommate's), so the co-signer would be off the lease, as well, if I leave. Thus, the landlord says I'd have to find a replacement tenant AND a replacement co-signer before I can leave.","c_root_id_A":"fs1h6v7","c_root_id_B":"fs0hvpj","created_at_utc_A":1590628164,"created_at_utc_B":1590609874,"score_A":6,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Get your copy of the lease and read it. If you are giving notice according to the terms, the landlord just makes a new lease with the roommate that's staying. Never heard of having to provide a new tenant to the landlord unless terminating the lease early or sub-letting. New tenant is his problem. Just make sure you have proof he received your notice in compliance with the lease terms.","human_ref_B":"In many states, when two people form a joint party for the purposes of a lease they also need to terminate jointly as well. You may be able to get your landlord to accept your termination regardless though, and agree to let you out of the tenancy and not hold you further liable for rent or damages. Or, your landlord could decide to simply terminate the tenancy completely if one roommate is moving out.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18290.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"3qxlt3","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How many paternity tests can a man ask before he has to pay child support? We have done 3 and now he wants a 4th. My husband and me are in the process of being divorced because he cheated on me. I was 10 weeks pregnant at that time. He won\u2019t believe he is the father of our child and through his lawyer he keeps demanding paternity tests to prove it. We have done 3 different ones all at places of his choice and they all show he is the father but now he wants a 4th one because he says the places all messed up. He was not there at the birth and has never seen our child or paid any money for support. He says he won't pay child support until he has proof of paternity. My question is how many tests is he allowed to ask for before he has to pay? I told him I won\u2019t do another test and his lawyer told me I could be taken to court for refusing and being hostile. I have no idea what to do now I don\u2019t have a lawyer myself I have just been getting help from a legal aid clinic near me whenever I can because it's hard for me to afford it. The state we live in is Florida.","c_root_id_A":"cwj7jaq","c_root_id_B":"cwj7vd9","created_at_utc_A":1446267401,"created_at_utc_B":1446268383,"score_A":13,"score_B":18,"human_ref_A":"He gets a 4th one when a judge issues a court order for it. Two is redundant, and you had no need to agree to a third.","human_ref_B":"Apart from what everyone else is saying (and yes, you desperately need a lawyer) stop talking to \"his\" lawyer. >his lawyer told me I could be taken to court for refusing and being hostile. Honestly I would be inclined to say: then do so. Because 3 paternity tests is at least one too many. Have you filed anything with the courts? It's not clear to me...","labels":0,"seconds_difference":982.0,"score_ratio":1.3846153846} {"post_id":"3qxlt3","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How many paternity tests can a man ask before he has to pay child support? We have done 3 and now he wants a 4th. My husband and me are in the process of being divorced because he cheated on me. I was 10 weeks pregnant at that time. He won\u2019t believe he is the father of our child and through his lawyer he keeps demanding paternity tests to prove it. We have done 3 different ones all at places of his choice and they all show he is the father but now he wants a 4th one because he says the places all messed up. He was not there at the birth and has never seen our child or paid any money for support. He says he won't pay child support until he has proof of paternity. My question is how many tests is he allowed to ask for before he has to pay? I told him I won\u2019t do another test and his lawyer told me I could be taken to court for refusing and being hostile. I have no idea what to do now I don\u2019t have a lawyer myself I have just been getting help from a legal aid clinic near me whenever I can because it's hard for me to afford it. The state we live in is Florida.","c_root_id_A":"cwj7vd9","c_root_id_B":"cwj7iow","created_at_utc_A":1446268383,"created_at_utc_B":1446267352,"score_A":18,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Apart from what everyone else is saying (and yes, you desperately need a lawyer) stop talking to \"his\" lawyer. >his lawyer told me I could be taken to court for refusing and being hostile. Honestly I would be inclined to say: then do so. Because 3 paternity tests is at least one too many. Have you filed anything with the courts? It's not clear to me...","human_ref_B":"He can ask for as many as he wants until a judge tells him to stop. Get a lawyer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1031.0,"score_ratio":1.8} {"post_id":"3qxlt3","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"How many paternity tests can a man ask before he has to pay child support? We have done 3 and now he wants a 4th. My husband and me are in the process of being divorced because he cheated on me. I was 10 weeks pregnant at that time. He won\u2019t believe he is the father of our child and through his lawyer he keeps demanding paternity tests to prove it. We have done 3 different ones all at places of his choice and they all show he is the father but now he wants a 4th one because he says the places all messed up. He was not there at the birth and has never seen our child or paid any money for support. He says he won't pay child support until he has proof of paternity. My question is how many tests is he allowed to ask for before he has to pay? I told him I won\u2019t do another test and his lawyer told me I could be taken to court for refusing and being hostile. I have no idea what to do now I don\u2019t have a lawyer myself I have just been getting help from a legal aid clinic near me whenever I can because it's hard for me to afford it. The state we live in is Florida.","c_root_id_A":"cwj7iow","c_root_id_B":"cwj7jaq","created_at_utc_A":1446267352,"created_at_utc_B":1446267401,"score_A":10,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"He can ask for as many as he wants until a judge tells him to stop. Get a lawyer.","human_ref_B":"He gets a 4th one when a judge issues a court order for it. Two is redundant, and you had no need to agree to a third.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":49.0,"score_ratio":1.3} {"post_id":"o53job","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.85,"history":"[Iowa] My landlord just notified me that they are showing my apartment at the same time as my virtual job interview tomorrow. Do I have grounds to deny them entry during this time frame? Title explains it all. They have technically given me a 24 hour notice, as required by law. However, this seems to be putting undue burden on me in that it would be interrupting my job interview. I'm going to email them about moving the time, but in the event that they say the time cannot be moved, is there any way I could (realistically) say \"Sorry, but you would not be legally allowed to enter the property under these circumstances. You may enter 1 hour after the time you initially proposed\". Thanks in advance.","c_root_id_A":"h2ktqla","c_root_id_B":"h2kwvd1","created_at_utc_A":1624308149,"created_at_utc_B":1624309593,"score_A":25,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"Can you move your interview even a few hours? You could also do your interview elsewhere and arrange for a friend to monitor your belongings during the showing.","human_ref_B":"Your options are pretty much: A) Move the interview. B) Move the showing. It looks like you tried this already and were turned down. C) Have the interview somewhere else. Do you have a friend or relative who have a quiet place you could do the interview? Is there a quiet place nearby, maybe a park or a coffee shop? D) Do the interview at home and cross your fingers that everything comes out okay. Explain to the landlord what is going on, post signs on both the front door and the door to the room you are in warning them that an interview is going on and requesting quiet. Most people will try to stay out of your way, but the wrong people could be laud and intrusive. Legally, you can't really force either the landlord or the people you are interviewing with to change the schedule.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1444.0,"score_ratio":1.28} {"post_id":"7qn3vf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My mom wants to sell her house to us to pay for my dad\u2019s medical care instead of going on Medicaid. We need to know what we should be doing. (WA) My 75 year old dad was diagnosed with Alzheimer\u2019s in October and had a stroke in December. His care plan dictates he will need 24\/7 care. My mom can\u2019t take care as she needs to work. She is 55 so not eligible or ready to retire. He will need to go to an adult family care home. My mom doesn\u2019t want to do Medicaid because she wants higher quality care for him than what a Medicaid bed would provide. So she wants to sell the house to my husband and I and pay for his care privately. She would live with us because she could otherwise not afford to live anywhere else. King and Snohomish counties are simply insane these days, especially for her limited income. Initially we found the county assessor to have stated her house value at 378k. We could put together the funds with a little bit of finagling, like paying a couple of debts. The thing that alamed us, though, was Zillow has the house estimated at 518k. I know Zillow isn\u2019t official, but the price difference is pretty drastic. Also, last year one neighbor sold for 525k and another for 1 million, so I\u2019m guessing Zillow is using those numbers to estimate. Turns out the assessor value was for January 1, 2016. The value for 2017 jumped up to 407k. We can only assume it has gone up even more now, effectively putting the house quite far above what we could manage. I know that if she ends up using Medicaid (like if she spends down all her money from selling the house) they wlll go back and look for fraudulent sales to see if you cheated them out of assets. We aren\u2019t talking about selling the house for a dollar. We are hoping we could still stick to a max of 400k, even though the house is now above that. Would that be considered fraud? It would be below market value but not by some absurd number. We certainly are not interested in doing anything fraudulent, but are trying to work out a fair deal for her and for something we can afford. What else should we know about elder care law and the like? Is there something I\u2019m missing? We have to make a decision rapidly as his medical bills are quickly piling up. Edit: forgot to mention she has no other assets. No savings, no retirement, no life insurance, etc. The house is the only asset.","c_root_id_A":"dsqelpg","c_root_id_B":"dsqe746","created_at_utc_A":1516053025,"created_at_utc_B":1516052636,"score_A":39,"score_B":22,"human_ref_A":"> Edit: forgot to mention she has no other assets. No savings, no retirement, no life insurance, etc. The house is the only asset. I know this isnt what you asked, but man it would be really lucrative to utilize medicaid and to protect the only asset. If not, I would get an actual appraisal and buy it. Result? She's got a lot of cash to waste on medical expenses, no home, and at risk of you evicting her. I wouldnt recommend it but gotta respect the woman for wanting to take such good care of your pops.","human_ref_B":"Your mom needs to talk to real estate agents and get a legitimate estimate. Zillow and your local assessor's office can't be trusted -- I live in Chicago, and assessed values can be WAY OFF. Still, I'd dig deeper into this with your mom and perhaps try to find an expert who can help guide you through the options. How much is care for your dad expected to cost each year? And how long will her funds last? She is essentially setting things up that she'll be entirely dependent on you, Social Security and\/or some other form or public aid once she stops working. What will happen to her if something catastrophic occurs?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":389.0,"score_ratio":1.7727272727} {"post_id":"7qn3vf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My mom wants to sell her house to us to pay for my dad\u2019s medical care instead of going on Medicaid. We need to know what we should be doing. (WA) My 75 year old dad was diagnosed with Alzheimer\u2019s in October and had a stroke in December. His care plan dictates he will need 24\/7 care. My mom can\u2019t take care as she needs to work. She is 55 so not eligible or ready to retire. He will need to go to an adult family care home. My mom doesn\u2019t want to do Medicaid because she wants higher quality care for him than what a Medicaid bed would provide. So she wants to sell the house to my husband and I and pay for his care privately. She would live with us because she could otherwise not afford to live anywhere else. King and Snohomish counties are simply insane these days, especially for her limited income. Initially we found the county assessor to have stated her house value at 378k. We could put together the funds with a little bit of finagling, like paying a couple of debts. The thing that alamed us, though, was Zillow has the house estimated at 518k. I know Zillow isn\u2019t official, but the price difference is pretty drastic. Also, last year one neighbor sold for 525k and another for 1 million, so I\u2019m guessing Zillow is using those numbers to estimate. Turns out the assessor value was for January 1, 2016. The value for 2017 jumped up to 407k. We can only assume it has gone up even more now, effectively putting the house quite far above what we could manage. I know that if she ends up using Medicaid (like if she spends down all her money from selling the house) they wlll go back and look for fraudulent sales to see if you cheated them out of assets. We aren\u2019t talking about selling the house for a dollar. We are hoping we could still stick to a max of 400k, even though the house is now above that. Would that be considered fraud? It would be below market value but not by some absurd number. We certainly are not interested in doing anything fraudulent, but are trying to work out a fair deal for her and for something we can afford. What else should we know about elder care law and the like? Is there something I\u2019m missing? We have to make a decision rapidly as his medical bills are quickly piling up. Edit: forgot to mention she has no other assets. No savings, no retirement, no life insurance, etc. The house is the only asset.","c_root_id_A":"dsqe2pp","c_root_id_B":"dsqelpg","created_at_utc_A":1516052520,"created_at_utc_B":1516053025,"score_A":15,"score_B":39,"human_ref_A":"There are lawyers who specialize in Medicaid planning for exactly situations like this, and you should probably talk to one of them.","human_ref_B":"> Edit: forgot to mention she has no other assets. No savings, no retirement, no life insurance, etc. The house is the only asset. I know this isnt what you asked, but man it would be really lucrative to utilize medicaid and to protect the only asset. If not, I would get an actual appraisal and buy it. Result? She's got a lot of cash to waste on medical expenses, no home, and at risk of you evicting her. I wouldnt recommend it but gotta respect the woman for wanting to take such good care of your pops.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":505.0,"score_ratio":2.6} {"post_id":"7qn3vf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My mom wants to sell her house to us to pay for my dad\u2019s medical care instead of going on Medicaid. We need to know what we should be doing. (WA) My 75 year old dad was diagnosed with Alzheimer\u2019s in October and had a stroke in December. His care plan dictates he will need 24\/7 care. My mom can\u2019t take care as she needs to work. She is 55 so not eligible or ready to retire. He will need to go to an adult family care home. My mom doesn\u2019t want to do Medicaid because she wants higher quality care for him than what a Medicaid bed would provide. So she wants to sell the house to my husband and I and pay for his care privately. She would live with us because she could otherwise not afford to live anywhere else. King and Snohomish counties are simply insane these days, especially for her limited income. Initially we found the county assessor to have stated her house value at 378k. We could put together the funds with a little bit of finagling, like paying a couple of debts. The thing that alamed us, though, was Zillow has the house estimated at 518k. I know Zillow isn\u2019t official, but the price difference is pretty drastic. Also, last year one neighbor sold for 525k and another for 1 million, so I\u2019m guessing Zillow is using those numbers to estimate. Turns out the assessor value was for January 1, 2016. The value for 2017 jumped up to 407k. We can only assume it has gone up even more now, effectively putting the house quite far above what we could manage. I know that if she ends up using Medicaid (like if she spends down all her money from selling the house) they wlll go back and look for fraudulent sales to see if you cheated them out of assets. We aren\u2019t talking about selling the house for a dollar. We are hoping we could still stick to a max of 400k, even though the house is now above that. Would that be considered fraud? It would be below market value but not by some absurd number. We certainly are not interested in doing anything fraudulent, but are trying to work out a fair deal for her and for something we can afford. What else should we know about elder care law and the like? Is there something I\u2019m missing? We have to make a decision rapidly as his medical bills are quickly piling up. Edit: forgot to mention she has no other assets. No savings, no retirement, no life insurance, etc. The house is the only asset.","c_root_id_A":"dsqelpg","c_root_id_B":"dsqei7b","created_at_utc_A":1516053025,"created_at_utc_B":1516052933,"score_A":39,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"> Edit: forgot to mention she has no other assets. No savings, no retirement, no life insurance, etc. The house is the only asset. I know this isnt what you asked, but man it would be really lucrative to utilize medicaid and to protect the only asset. If not, I would get an actual appraisal and buy it. Result? She's got a lot of cash to waste on medical expenses, no home, and at risk of you evicting her. I wouldnt recommend it but gotta respect the woman for wanting to take such good care of your pops.","human_ref_B":"Assessments aren't necessarily accurate reflections of market value. There's a lot that goes into them, but I wouldn't be inclined to trust that over Zillow. You could also talk to a realtor to get a pretty good idea of a fair price. Are you looking to pay cash, or get a mortgage? The mortgage company will be sure that the price is accurate. It's not that she'd be prosecuted for fraud if she sold the house well below market, it's that she wouldn't be eligible for Medicaid at all for a little while. That could be a dangerous situation if there's no other way to pay for care. I presume that she plans to continue living in the house once you buy it from her, otherwise she'd just sell the house to the person giving her the best offer? If she needs the cash and wants to stay in the house, she might be able to take out a home equity loan.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":92.0,"score_ratio":7.8} {"post_id":"7qn3vf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My mom wants to sell her house to us to pay for my dad\u2019s medical care instead of going on Medicaid. We need to know what we should be doing. (WA) My 75 year old dad was diagnosed with Alzheimer\u2019s in October and had a stroke in December. His care plan dictates he will need 24\/7 care. My mom can\u2019t take care as she needs to work. She is 55 so not eligible or ready to retire. He will need to go to an adult family care home. My mom doesn\u2019t want to do Medicaid because she wants higher quality care for him than what a Medicaid bed would provide. So she wants to sell the house to my husband and I and pay for his care privately. She would live with us because she could otherwise not afford to live anywhere else. King and Snohomish counties are simply insane these days, especially for her limited income. Initially we found the county assessor to have stated her house value at 378k. We could put together the funds with a little bit of finagling, like paying a couple of debts. The thing that alamed us, though, was Zillow has the house estimated at 518k. I know Zillow isn\u2019t official, but the price difference is pretty drastic. Also, last year one neighbor sold for 525k and another for 1 million, so I\u2019m guessing Zillow is using those numbers to estimate. Turns out the assessor value was for January 1, 2016. The value for 2017 jumped up to 407k. We can only assume it has gone up even more now, effectively putting the house quite far above what we could manage. I know that if she ends up using Medicaid (like if she spends down all her money from selling the house) they wlll go back and look for fraudulent sales to see if you cheated them out of assets. We aren\u2019t talking about selling the house for a dollar. We are hoping we could still stick to a max of 400k, even though the house is now above that. Would that be considered fraud? It would be below market value but not by some absurd number. We certainly are not interested in doing anything fraudulent, but are trying to work out a fair deal for her and for something we can afford. What else should we know about elder care law and the like? Is there something I\u2019m missing? We have to make a decision rapidly as his medical bills are quickly piling up. Edit: forgot to mention she has no other assets. No savings, no retirement, no life insurance, etc. The house is the only asset.","c_root_id_A":"dsqe746","c_root_id_B":"dsqe2pp","created_at_utc_A":1516052636,"created_at_utc_B":1516052520,"score_A":22,"score_B":15,"human_ref_A":"Your mom needs to talk to real estate agents and get a legitimate estimate. Zillow and your local assessor's office can't be trusted -- I live in Chicago, and assessed values can be WAY OFF. Still, I'd dig deeper into this with your mom and perhaps try to find an expert who can help guide you through the options. How much is care for your dad expected to cost each year? And how long will her funds last? She is essentially setting things up that she'll be entirely dependent on you, Social Security and\/or some other form or public aid once she stops working. What will happen to her if something catastrophic occurs?","human_ref_B":"There are lawyers who specialize in Medicaid planning for exactly situations like this, and you should probably talk to one of them.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":116.0,"score_ratio":1.4666666667} {"post_id":"7qn3vf","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.9,"history":"My mom wants to sell her house to us to pay for my dad\u2019s medical care instead of going on Medicaid. We need to know what we should be doing. (WA) My 75 year old dad was diagnosed with Alzheimer\u2019s in October and had a stroke in December. His care plan dictates he will need 24\/7 care. My mom can\u2019t take care as she needs to work. She is 55 so not eligible or ready to retire. He will need to go to an adult family care home. My mom doesn\u2019t want to do Medicaid because she wants higher quality care for him than what a Medicaid bed would provide. So she wants to sell the house to my husband and I and pay for his care privately. She would live with us because she could otherwise not afford to live anywhere else. King and Snohomish counties are simply insane these days, especially for her limited income. Initially we found the county assessor to have stated her house value at 378k. We could put together the funds with a little bit of finagling, like paying a couple of debts. The thing that alamed us, though, was Zillow has the house estimated at 518k. I know Zillow isn\u2019t official, but the price difference is pretty drastic. Also, last year one neighbor sold for 525k and another for 1 million, so I\u2019m guessing Zillow is using those numbers to estimate. Turns out the assessor value was for January 1, 2016. The value for 2017 jumped up to 407k. We can only assume it has gone up even more now, effectively putting the house quite far above what we could manage. I know that if she ends up using Medicaid (like if she spends down all her money from selling the house) they wlll go back and look for fraudulent sales to see if you cheated them out of assets. We aren\u2019t talking about selling the house for a dollar. We are hoping we could still stick to a max of 400k, even though the house is now above that. Would that be considered fraud? It would be below market value but not by some absurd number. We certainly are not interested in doing anything fraudulent, but are trying to work out a fair deal for her and for something we can afford. What else should we know about elder care law and the like? Is there something I\u2019m missing? We have to make a decision rapidly as his medical bills are quickly piling up. Edit: forgot to mention she has no other assets. No savings, no retirement, no life insurance, etc. The house is the only asset.","c_root_id_A":"dsqul2f","c_root_id_B":"dsqei7b","created_at_utc_A":1516070376,"created_at_utc_B":1516052933,"score_A":15,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer, but my Mom has dementia and is in a Medicaid funded facility. They are not all bad. Your Mom has the right to shop around and get your Dad on a waiting list for one she finds to be suitable. The nurses in Mom's facility are attentive, know their stuff, and she gets great care. I can walk in there at any time and get someone to listen to my concerns and, most importantly, they will act on them. She is well cared for. Your Mom obviously loves your Dad and wants to see him well cared for. But, he can be well cared for in a Medicaid facility. I agree with those here that encourage her not to sell that house. There may come a day when she needs that asset for herself, for whatever reason, and if she can get him cared for with Medicaid then that's what she should do. Not all of those places are bad and she will still be able to monitor his quality of care with frequent visits and conversations with the staff and Drs.","human_ref_B":"Assessments aren't necessarily accurate reflections of market value. There's a lot that goes into them, but I wouldn't be inclined to trust that over Zillow. You could also talk to a realtor to get a pretty good idea of a fair price. Are you looking to pay cash, or get a mortgage? The mortgage company will be sure that the price is accurate. It's not that she'd be prosecuted for fraud if she sold the house well below market, it's that she wouldn't be eligible for Medicaid at all for a little while. That could be a dangerous situation if there's no other way to pay for care. I presume that she plans to continue living in the house once you buy it from her, otherwise she'd just sell the house to the person giving her the best offer? If she needs the cash and wants to stay in the house, she might be able to take out a home equity loan.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17443.0,"score_ratio":3.0} {"post_id":"j0g8js","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Fired because I refused to stop taking a prescribed medication [Ohio] Soooo I'm transgender and I take hormone replacement therapy. Idk if those specifics matter but there you go Idk how, but my boss (guy who owns the building I worked at) found out that I take HRT (never told him) and he pulled me into his office to ask about it. He lectured me on how it was \"unnatural\" or whatever and I was \"betraying god (?)\" and this was about a week ago. He's an asshole overall and I needed the job so I chocked it up to him just being him. But today he came in when I was working a shift (he never comes in weekends, so I think he specifically came in for this) and pulled me into his office again. He asked me if I was still taking HRT. I refused to answer. He then fired me, saying that he can't have people on \"unnatural substances\" working for him. I know of at least four other people who worked with me who took medications for pain and heart conditions. Is this even legal? Can my boss truly just decide he doesn't want me taking a certain medication like that?","c_root_id_A":"g6qu4aq","c_root_id_B":"g6re6t1","created_at_utc_A":1601163100,"created_at_utc_B":1601170490,"score_A":24,"score_B":420,"human_ref_A":"Not sure of Ohio laws, but it sound like a wrongful termination. I would read this: https:\/\/www.workplacefairness.org\/file_OH","human_ref_B":"Title VII of the Civil Rights Acts prohibits gender-base discrimination which includes sexually identity. Contact an employment discrimination attorney.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7390.0,"score_ratio":17.5} {"post_id":"j0g8js","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Fired because I refused to stop taking a prescribed medication [Ohio] Soooo I'm transgender and I take hormone replacement therapy. Idk if those specifics matter but there you go Idk how, but my boss (guy who owns the building I worked at) found out that I take HRT (never told him) and he pulled me into his office to ask about it. He lectured me on how it was \"unnatural\" or whatever and I was \"betraying god (?)\" and this was about a week ago. He's an asshole overall and I needed the job so I chocked it up to him just being him. But today he came in when I was working a shift (he never comes in weekends, so I think he specifically came in for this) and pulled me into his office again. He asked me if I was still taking HRT. I refused to answer. He then fired me, saying that he can't have people on \"unnatural substances\" working for him. I know of at least four other people who worked with me who took medications for pain and heart conditions. Is this even legal? Can my boss truly just decide he doesn't want me taking a certain medication like that?","c_root_id_A":"g6scpe4","c_root_id_B":"g6shmi1","created_at_utc_A":1601182422,"created_at_utc_B":1601184162,"score_A":174,"score_B":244,"human_ref_A":"Yeah. Employment lawyer. Another thing to discuss with the lawyer is if the boss might have gotten the info about your medication by inappropriately (or possibly illegally) accessing health information from employer provided insurance.","human_ref_B":"All HRT meds are prescribed to cis people for various reasons so the argument that they're affecting your job performance falls flat. This is blatant trans discrimination which is illegal following the SCOTUS case mentioned in other comments. First step: Talk to a lawyer about filing a EEOC complaint. Here is more information and a list of resources directly related to trans employment discrimination.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1740.0,"score_ratio":1.4022988506} {"post_id":"j0g8js","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Fired because I refused to stop taking a prescribed medication [Ohio] Soooo I'm transgender and I take hormone replacement therapy. Idk if those specifics matter but there you go Idk how, but my boss (guy who owns the building I worked at) found out that I take HRT (never told him) and he pulled me into his office to ask about it. He lectured me on how it was \"unnatural\" or whatever and I was \"betraying god (?)\" and this was about a week ago. He's an asshole overall and I needed the job so I chocked it up to him just being him. But today he came in when I was working a shift (he never comes in weekends, so I think he specifically came in for this) and pulled me into his office again. He asked me if I was still taking HRT. I refused to answer. He then fired me, saying that he can't have people on \"unnatural substances\" working for him. I know of at least four other people who worked with me who took medications for pain and heart conditions. Is this even legal? Can my boss truly just decide he doesn't want me taking a certain medication like that?","c_root_id_A":"g6rlc4p","c_root_id_B":"g6shmi1","created_at_utc_A":1601173172,"created_at_utc_B":1601184162,"score_A":86,"score_B":244,"human_ref_A":"Lambda Legal is a great resource to find assistance. They\u2019ll either help directly or refer to local resources. https:\/\/www.lambdalegal.org\/","human_ref_B":"All HRT meds are prescribed to cis people for various reasons so the argument that they're affecting your job performance falls flat. This is blatant trans discrimination which is illegal following the SCOTUS case mentioned in other comments. First step: Talk to a lawyer about filing a EEOC complaint. Here is more information and a list of resources directly related to trans employment discrimination.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10990.0,"score_ratio":2.8372093023} {"post_id":"j0g8js","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Fired because I refused to stop taking a prescribed medication [Ohio] Soooo I'm transgender and I take hormone replacement therapy. Idk if those specifics matter but there you go Idk how, but my boss (guy who owns the building I worked at) found out that I take HRT (never told him) and he pulled me into his office to ask about it. He lectured me on how it was \"unnatural\" or whatever and I was \"betraying god (?)\" and this was about a week ago. He's an asshole overall and I needed the job so I chocked it up to him just being him. But today he came in when I was working a shift (he never comes in weekends, so I think he specifically came in for this) and pulled me into his office again. He asked me if I was still taking HRT. I refused to answer. He then fired me, saying that he can't have people on \"unnatural substances\" working for him. I know of at least four other people who worked with me who took medications for pain and heart conditions. Is this even legal? Can my boss truly just decide he doesn't want me taking a certain medication like that?","c_root_id_A":"g6shmi1","c_root_id_B":"g6qu4aq","created_at_utc_A":1601184162,"created_at_utc_B":1601163100,"score_A":244,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"All HRT meds are prescribed to cis people for various reasons so the argument that they're affecting your job performance falls flat. This is blatant trans discrimination which is illegal following the SCOTUS case mentioned in other comments. First step: Talk to a lawyer about filing a EEOC complaint. Here is more information and a list of resources directly related to trans employment discrimination.","human_ref_B":"Not sure of Ohio laws, but it sound like a wrongful termination. I would read this: https:\/\/www.workplacefairness.org\/file_OH","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21062.0,"score_ratio":10.1666666667} {"post_id":"j0g8js","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Fired because I refused to stop taking a prescribed medication [Ohio] Soooo I'm transgender and I take hormone replacement therapy. Idk if those specifics matter but there you go Idk how, but my boss (guy who owns the building I worked at) found out that I take HRT (never told him) and he pulled me into his office to ask about it. He lectured me on how it was \"unnatural\" or whatever and I was \"betraying god (?)\" and this was about a week ago. He's an asshole overall and I needed the job so I chocked it up to him just being him. But today he came in when I was working a shift (he never comes in weekends, so I think he specifically came in for this) and pulled me into his office again. He asked me if I was still taking HRT. I refused to answer. He then fired me, saying that he can't have people on \"unnatural substances\" working for him. I know of at least four other people who worked with me who took medications for pain and heart conditions. Is this even legal? Can my boss truly just decide he doesn't want me taking a certain medication like that?","c_root_id_A":"g6ruxwd","c_root_id_B":"g6shmi1","created_at_utc_A":1601176329,"created_at_utc_B":1601184162,"score_A":23,"score_B":244,"human_ref_A":"Probably would fall under the broad umbrella of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Definitely file a compliant with the DOL if nothing else. But probably best to find an employment lawyer.","human_ref_B":"All HRT meds are prescribed to cis people for various reasons so the argument that they're affecting your job performance falls flat. This is blatant trans discrimination which is illegal following the SCOTUS case mentioned in other comments. First step: Talk to a lawyer about filing a EEOC complaint. Here is more information and a list of resources directly related to trans employment discrimination.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7833.0,"score_ratio":10.6086956522} {"post_id":"j0g8js","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Fired because I refused to stop taking a prescribed medication [Ohio] Soooo I'm transgender and I take hormone replacement therapy. Idk if those specifics matter but there you go Idk how, but my boss (guy who owns the building I worked at) found out that I take HRT (never told him) and he pulled me into his office to ask about it. He lectured me on how it was \"unnatural\" or whatever and I was \"betraying god (?)\" and this was about a week ago. He's an asshole overall and I needed the job so I chocked it up to him just being him. But today he came in when I was working a shift (he never comes in weekends, so I think he specifically came in for this) and pulled me into his office again. He asked me if I was still taking HRT. I refused to answer. He then fired me, saying that he can't have people on \"unnatural substances\" working for him. I know of at least four other people who worked with me who took medications for pain and heart conditions. Is this even legal? Can my boss truly just decide he doesn't want me taking a certain medication like that?","c_root_id_A":"g6rlc4p","c_root_id_B":"g6scpe4","created_at_utc_A":1601173172,"created_at_utc_B":1601182422,"score_A":86,"score_B":174,"human_ref_A":"Lambda Legal is a great resource to find assistance. They\u2019ll either help directly or refer to local resources. https:\/\/www.lambdalegal.org\/","human_ref_B":"Yeah. Employment lawyer. Another thing to discuss with the lawyer is if the boss might have gotten the info about your medication by inappropriately (or possibly illegally) accessing health information from employer provided insurance.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9250.0,"score_ratio":2.023255814} {"post_id":"j0g8js","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Fired because I refused to stop taking a prescribed medication [Ohio] Soooo I'm transgender and I take hormone replacement therapy. Idk if those specifics matter but there you go Idk how, but my boss (guy who owns the building I worked at) found out that I take HRT (never told him) and he pulled me into his office to ask about it. He lectured me on how it was \"unnatural\" or whatever and I was \"betraying god (?)\" and this was about a week ago. He's an asshole overall and I needed the job so I chocked it up to him just being him. But today he came in when I was working a shift (he never comes in weekends, so I think he specifically came in for this) and pulled me into his office again. He asked me if I was still taking HRT. I refused to answer. He then fired me, saying that he can't have people on \"unnatural substances\" working for him. I know of at least four other people who worked with me who took medications for pain and heart conditions. Is this even legal? Can my boss truly just decide he doesn't want me taking a certain medication like that?","c_root_id_A":"g6qu4aq","c_root_id_B":"g6scpe4","created_at_utc_A":1601163100,"created_at_utc_B":1601182422,"score_A":24,"score_B":174,"human_ref_A":"Not sure of Ohio laws, but it sound like a wrongful termination. I would read this: https:\/\/www.workplacefairness.org\/file_OH","human_ref_B":"Yeah. Employment lawyer. Another thing to discuss with the lawyer is if the boss might have gotten the info about your medication by inappropriately (or possibly illegally) accessing health information from employer provided insurance.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19322.0,"score_ratio":7.25} {"post_id":"j0g8js","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Fired because I refused to stop taking a prescribed medication [Ohio] Soooo I'm transgender and I take hormone replacement therapy. Idk if those specifics matter but there you go Idk how, but my boss (guy who owns the building I worked at) found out that I take HRT (never told him) and he pulled me into his office to ask about it. He lectured me on how it was \"unnatural\" or whatever and I was \"betraying god (?)\" and this was about a week ago. He's an asshole overall and I needed the job so I chocked it up to him just being him. But today he came in when I was working a shift (he never comes in weekends, so I think he specifically came in for this) and pulled me into his office again. He asked me if I was still taking HRT. I refused to answer. He then fired me, saying that he can't have people on \"unnatural substances\" working for him. I know of at least four other people who worked with me who took medications for pain and heart conditions. Is this even legal? Can my boss truly just decide he doesn't want me taking a certain medication like that?","c_root_id_A":"g6scpe4","c_root_id_B":"g6ruxwd","created_at_utc_A":1601182422,"created_at_utc_B":1601176329,"score_A":174,"score_B":23,"human_ref_A":"Yeah. Employment lawyer. Another thing to discuss with the lawyer is if the boss might have gotten the info about your medication by inappropriately (or possibly illegally) accessing health information from employer provided insurance.","human_ref_B":"Probably would fall under the broad umbrella of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Definitely file a compliant with the DOL if nothing else. But probably best to find an employment lawyer.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6093.0,"score_ratio":7.5652173913} {"post_id":"j0g8js","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Fired because I refused to stop taking a prescribed medication [Ohio] Soooo I'm transgender and I take hormone replacement therapy. Idk if those specifics matter but there you go Idk how, but my boss (guy who owns the building I worked at) found out that I take HRT (never told him) and he pulled me into his office to ask about it. He lectured me on how it was \"unnatural\" or whatever and I was \"betraying god (?)\" and this was about a week ago. He's an asshole overall and I needed the job so I chocked it up to him just being him. But today he came in when I was working a shift (he never comes in weekends, so I think he specifically came in for this) and pulled me into his office again. He asked me if I was still taking HRT. I refused to answer. He then fired me, saying that he can't have people on \"unnatural substances\" working for him. I know of at least four other people who worked with me who took medications for pain and heart conditions. Is this even legal? Can my boss truly just decide he doesn't want me taking a certain medication like that?","c_root_id_A":"g6rlc4p","c_root_id_B":"g6qu4aq","created_at_utc_A":1601173172,"created_at_utc_B":1601163100,"score_A":86,"score_B":24,"human_ref_A":"Lambda Legal is a great resource to find assistance. They\u2019ll either help directly or refer to local resources. https:\/\/www.lambdalegal.org\/","human_ref_B":"Not sure of Ohio laws, but it sound like a wrongful termination. I would read this: https:\/\/www.workplacefairness.org\/file_OH","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10072.0,"score_ratio":3.5833333333} {"post_id":"j0g8js","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Fired because I refused to stop taking a prescribed medication [Ohio] Soooo I'm transgender and I take hormone replacement therapy. Idk if those specifics matter but there you go Idk how, but my boss (guy who owns the building I worked at) found out that I take HRT (never told him) and he pulled me into his office to ask about it. He lectured me on how it was \"unnatural\" or whatever and I was \"betraying god (?)\" and this was about a week ago. He's an asshole overall and I needed the job so I chocked it up to him just being him. But today he came in when I was working a shift (he never comes in weekends, so I think he specifically came in for this) and pulled me into his office again. He asked me if I was still taking HRT. I refused to answer. He then fired me, saying that he can't have people on \"unnatural substances\" working for him. I know of at least four other people who worked with me who took medications for pain and heart conditions. Is this even legal? Can my boss truly just decide he doesn't want me taking a certain medication like that?","c_root_id_A":"g6qu4aq","c_root_id_B":"g6tzivq","created_at_utc_A":1601163100,"created_at_utc_B":1601205779,"score_A":24,"score_B":71,"human_ref_A":"Not sure of Ohio laws, but it sound like a wrongful termination. I would read this: https:\/\/www.workplacefairness.org\/file_OH","human_ref_B":"So is he planning on firing all the menopausal women on HRT? Definitely consult a lawyer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":42679.0,"score_ratio":2.9583333333} {"post_id":"j0g8js","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Fired because I refused to stop taking a prescribed medication [Ohio] Soooo I'm transgender and I take hormone replacement therapy. Idk if those specifics matter but there you go Idk how, but my boss (guy who owns the building I worked at) found out that I take HRT (never told him) and he pulled me into his office to ask about it. He lectured me on how it was \"unnatural\" or whatever and I was \"betraying god (?)\" and this was about a week ago. He's an asshole overall and I needed the job so I chocked it up to him just being him. But today he came in when I was working a shift (he never comes in weekends, so I think he specifically came in for this) and pulled me into his office again. He asked me if I was still taking HRT. I refused to answer. He then fired me, saying that he can't have people on \"unnatural substances\" working for him. I know of at least four other people who worked with me who took medications for pain and heart conditions. Is this even legal? Can my boss truly just decide he doesn't want me taking a certain medication like that?","c_root_id_A":"g6ruxwd","c_root_id_B":"g6tzivq","created_at_utc_A":1601176329,"created_at_utc_B":1601205779,"score_A":23,"score_B":71,"human_ref_A":"Probably would fall under the broad umbrella of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Definitely file a compliant with the DOL if nothing else. But probably best to find an employment lawyer.","human_ref_B":"So is he planning on firing all the menopausal women on HRT? Definitely consult a lawyer.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":29450.0,"score_ratio":3.0869565217} {"post_id":"j0g8js","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Fired because I refused to stop taking a prescribed medication [Ohio] Soooo I'm transgender and I take hormone replacement therapy. Idk if those specifics matter but there you go Idk how, but my boss (guy who owns the building I worked at) found out that I take HRT (never told him) and he pulled me into his office to ask about it. He lectured me on how it was \"unnatural\" or whatever and I was \"betraying god (?)\" and this was about a week ago. He's an asshole overall and I needed the job so I chocked it up to him just being him. But today he came in when I was working a shift (he never comes in weekends, so I think he specifically came in for this) and pulled me into his office again. He asked me if I was still taking HRT. I refused to answer. He then fired me, saying that he can't have people on \"unnatural substances\" working for him. I know of at least four other people who worked with me who took medications for pain and heart conditions. Is this even legal? Can my boss truly just decide he doesn't want me taking a certain medication like that?","c_root_id_A":"g6tzivq","c_root_id_B":"g6sjk0w","created_at_utc_A":1601205779,"created_at_utc_B":1601184867,"score_A":71,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"So is he planning on firing all the menopausal women on HRT? Definitely consult a lawyer.","human_ref_B":"How many people were employed at the company?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20912.0,"score_ratio":5.0714285714} {"post_id":"hnux6k","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.88,"history":"My former step-siblings (16M, 17F) have been kicked out their by their abusive father\u2019s (52M) house and fear for safety\/lives of they return. How can I (21M) pursue gaining custody of them while ensuring their safety during the process For backstory, the father in question has a history of violent physical abuse. He has beaten and choked my mother, his children, and myself on multiple occasions. He has never faced any legal ramifications for these action for multiple reason. Recently, the father has decided to kick three of my (technically former) sibling out of the house or unclear reasons. In the ensuing argument he threaten on their lives. The police have made it clear that the father must let them return but the kids no longer feel safe in that household. They are staying with me and I believe am finally in a financial position to become their legal guardian. How would I go about fighting for their custody while ensuring their safety.","c_root_id_A":"fxe4vz0","c_root_id_B":"fxen2xf","created_at_utc_A":1594270300,"created_at_utc_B":1594286594,"score_A":6,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Location","human_ref_B":"Call child and family services. They need to investigate. Technically they are are just staying with you. You could be granted emergency guardianship if the case warranted. You could also apply to be a foster parent if the become wards of the state. They could apply for emancipation if their parents will sign off.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":16294.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} {"post_id":"4v98h9","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.91,"history":"[MN] Neighbor kids keep trespassing, and one almost got bit by my dog There are 5 neighbor kids ranging in age from 5-12 years old, all from the same family, that keep trespassing on my property. I've told them repeatedly to get out of my yard and that they are not allowed on my property. I often hear their grandma yell at them as well to get out of my yard. Things they've done: 1) Taken packages left at my door, opened them, and returned them opened. Nothing was stolen. A neighbor saw them do this and informed me. 2) Thrown over 20 rocks at both my front and back glass doors. There were some scratches, but the glass didn't crack. 3) Thrown rocks on my roof. 4) Opened the gate to my fenced in yard and ran around in my yard. I added a lock to the gate and the kids went all the way around to the opposite gate and went in that way instead. Sometimes the 2 older kids jump the fence to get in and out. This happens a lot. 5) Tried to open my front door both while I'm home and not home. I set up a security camera that recorded this. Yesterday I let my dog out in my fenced yard, not knowing that the kids were out there, and he almost bit one of them. I had to run out and stop him. I went to the police station and asked what my options are, and the officer basically told me there's nothing I can legally do until they are 18 years old. That doesn't seem right to me, so that's why I'm asking here. What can I do to stop this? What can happen if my dog bites one of them in my fenced yard while they are trespassing? Is there anything I can do to protect myself from being liable?","c_root_id_A":"d5x5l7b","c_root_id_B":"d5wwvfr","created_at_utc_A":1469887150,"created_at_utc_B":1469859293,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Call CPS on them. Report the neighbors kids are always unsupervised and explain how they break into your yard and throw rocks at your house. Locking all your gates is a necessity here. I suggest getting a simple combo lock so you can quickly open without a key. Something like this: https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Master-Lock-178D-Set-Your-Own-Combination\/dp\/B0009V1WMA\/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1469887015&sr=8-2&keywords=combo+lock If you want to get fancier and can install a deadbolt on your gates then this is awesome: https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/dp\/B00O4OV318\/ref=twister_B00QQ8KLK4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1 Get a camera for your outside, backyard, gates, and front. This way you can record them trespassing and you can record them stealing your packages. Cops will have to act with video. Definitely put up no trespassing signs.","human_ref_B":"I'm not familiar with MN, but check and see if there's something called Juvenile Services or similar. In MD, we use that when it's an incident involving kids, and they're given certain conditions in order to keep the matter from escalating to more serious consequences. (They use things like not trespassing or not contacting a specific person, possibly even community service) MN may have something similar. You might need to go down yourself to file the complaint if it exists.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27857.0,"score_ratio":2.5} {"post_id":"duhvw0","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability. A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.","c_root_id_A":"f764eb6","c_root_id_B":"f763mon","created_at_utc_A":1573422682,"created_at_utc_B":1573422427,"score_A":151,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"What you paid for the car has no bearing on what it currently is worth. Look up KBB and other cars like yours (same year, make, model, trim, miles, condition) and see what they are selling for. That is what you are owed","human_ref_B":"> And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. Are they offering half because that's the fair market value of the car, or did you hit the limit of your coverage for other drivers?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":255.0,"score_ratio":8.8823529412} {"post_id":"duhvw0","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability. A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.","c_root_id_A":"f763mon","c_root_id_B":"f76etp9","created_at_utc_A":1573422427,"created_at_utc_B":1573427177,"score_A":17,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"> And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. Are they offering half because that's the fair market value of the car, or did you hit the limit of your coverage for other drivers?","human_ref_B":"You may have paid that much but cars are not investments. They depreciate in value fast. If they give you the Kelly blue book value, I'd say you are set. Also make sure they pay for a new carseat","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4750.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"duhvw0","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability. A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.","c_root_id_A":"f767v5a","c_root_id_B":"f76etp9","created_at_utc_A":1573424719,"created_at_utc_B":1573427177,"score_A":11,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"Sorry to hear about the accident and glad you're ok. How long have you had the car? They do depreciate. I would also recommend going online and finding equivalent year, make, model, miles and options and see what that comes to. Is that what they're are offering you less your deductible. Insurance is there to put you whole. So if you can get a very similar car to yours for $6000 plus your deductible, that's what they're supposed to do.","human_ref_B":"You may have paid that much but cars are not investments. They depreciate in value fast. If they give you the Kelly blue book value, I'd say you are set. Also make sure they pay for a new carseat","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2458.0,"score_ratio":3.0909090909} {"post_id":"duhvw0","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability. A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.","c_root_id_A":"f764w66","c_root_id_B":"f76etp9","created_at_utc_A":1573422884,"created_at_utc_B":1573427177,"score_A":2,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/thedeadwillwalk\r \r Title: **Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability.**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. > > And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. > > I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. > > Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. > > What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.97 23\/269ths | Report Issues","human_ref_B":"You may have paid that much but cars are not investments. They depreciate in value fast. If they give you the Kelly blue book value, I'd say you are set. Also make sure they pay for a new carseat","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4293.0,"score_ratio":17.0} {"post_id":"duhvw0","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability. A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.","c_root_id_A":"f767v5a","c_root_id_B":"f764w66","created_at_utc_A":1573424719,"created_at_utc_B":1573422884,"score_A":11,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Sorry to hear about the accident and glad you're ok. How long have you had the car? They do depreciate. I would also recommend going online and finding equivalent year, make, model, miles and options and see what that comes to. Is that what they're are offering you less your deductible. Insurance is there to put you whole. So if you can get a very similar car to yours for $6000 plus your deductible, that's what they're supposed to do.","human_ref_B":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/thedeadwillwalk\r \r Title: **Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability.**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. > > And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. > > I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. > > Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. > > What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.97 23\/269ths | Report Issues","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1835.0,"score_ratio":5.5} {"post_id":"duhvw0","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability. A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.","c_root_id_A":"f782y2y","c_root_id_B":"f772es4","created_at_utc_A":1573483838,"created_at_utc_B":1573442096,"score_A":5,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"If your car was valued at $6,000 you could likely find the exact same car with similar condition and mileage and make a cash offer with what the insurance company gave you. If that's the value, that's the value, ya know? You can get a really nice used vehicle for $6,000 cash in hand.","human_ref_B":"You can also shop for yourself online, find a car that is a similar make\/model, year, and mileage. You can forward that info to the insurance company and request the funds to cover the cost of the car as a replacement. My brother did this in NY, and the insurance company paid for the cost of the car.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":41742.0,"score_ratio":1.6666666667} {"post_id":"duhvw0","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability. A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.","c_root_id_A":"f764w66","c_root_id_B":"f782y2y","created_at_utc_A":1573422884,"created_at_utc_B":1573483838,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/thedeadwillwalk\r \r Title: **Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability.**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. > > And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. > > I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. > > Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. > > What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.97 23\/269ths | Report Issues","human_ref_B":"If your car was valued at $6,000 you could likely find the exact same car with similar condition and mileage and make a cash offer with what the insurance company gave you. If that's the value, that's the value, ya know? You can get a really nice used vehicle for $6,000 cash in hand.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":60954.0,"score_ratio":2.5} {"post_id":"duhvw0","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability. A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.","c_root_id_A":"f782y2y","c_root_id_B":"f781x59","created_at_utc_A":1573483838,"created_at_utc_B":1573483033,"score_A":5,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"If your car was valued at $6,000 you could likely find the exact same car with similar condition and mileage and make a cash offer with what the insurance company gave you. If that's the value, that's the value, ya know? You can get a really nice used vehicle for $6,000 cash in hand.","human_ref_B":"Ask the insurance company for the list of comps they used to determine the payout of your car. Additionally, try to find your car (same make, model, year, mileage, factory options (not aftermarket)) for sale within 25\/50\/100\/200 miles from your residence on sites like autotrader and the like. If what they're offering matches what you can find, they're being straight with you. ​ If what they're offering is less than what you are finding, keep pushing back. When they give you the list of comps they used, make sure point out any discrepancies in differences of make\/year\/model etc from your car, and ask them to remove those from their comp list. ​ It will be a slog, but this is the fight you need to fight if you don't have any personal injury on the table.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":805.0,"score_ratio":2.5} {"post_id":"duhvw0","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability. A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.","c_root_id_A":"f764w66","c_root_id_B":"f76melh","created_at_utc_A":1573422884,"created_at_utc_B":1573430187,"score_A":2,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/thedeadwillwalk\r \r Title: **Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability.**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. > > And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. > > I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. > > Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. > > What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.97 23\/269ths | Report Issues","human_ref_B":"What is the year, make, model, mileage, and overall condition of the car? They offered $6000 exactly? Have you gone to the police station to request a copy of the police report? That would have the other drivers information. But based on what you said: unless they were some drunk millionaire or had great insurance chances are they do not have enough coverage to cover everybody's bills. Still good to check and ask the DA\/Court to make restitution part of their sentence. But best to work with your insurance to get as much for your car as you can.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7303.0,"score_ratio":2.5} {"post_id":"duhvw0","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability. A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.","c_root_id_A":"f772es4","c_root_id_B":"f764w66","created_at_utc_A":1573442096,"created_at_utc_B":1573422884,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You can also shop for yourself online, find a car that is a similar make\/model, year, and mileage. You can forward that info to the insurance company and request the funds to cover the cost of the car as a replacement. My brother did this in NY, and the insurance company paid for the cost of the car.","human_ref_B":"---\r > http:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/myIAb\r \r ---\r *I am a bot whose sole purpose is to improve the timeliness and accuracy of responses in this subreddit.*\r \r ---\r **It appears you forgot to include your location in the title or body of your post. Please update the body of your original post to include this information.**\r \r ---\r ***Do NOT delete this post - Instead, simply edit the post with the requested information.***\r \r ---\r \r Author: \/u\/thedeadwillwalk\r \r Title: **Drunk driver destroyed my car and my financial stability.**\r \r Original Post: \r \r > A little over a week ago, a drunk driver smashed into a car, killing the driver and creating a chain reaction which destroyed three other cars, including mine, and put 7 people in the hospital. My daughters and I were the only ones to escape with no injuries. > > And though processing all this has been tough, and I feel bad because others had it worse, my insurance company is offering me half what I paid for my car. > > I\u2019m a single father who just took a short term substitute teacher position so I can move closer to my kids. I also make coffee part-time just to make ends meet. I\u2019m living with a friend currently and the plan was to see if I could make this teaching gig full time and then get a place close to my kids. > > Everything this asshole did set me back. The states attorney wouldn\u2019t even tell me his name let alone whether he had insurance. (I found his name in the news.) My car was paid off. And I paid $12,000 for it. Now I have $6000 to try to find a reliable car that can transport my kids and get me to two jobs and I\u2019m not really financially set to have a car payment with rent and child support (and saving for my own place). Insurance said they may get some money back from the guy, like my deductible, but this is now a criminal murder investigation and will likely take at least six months. > > What kind of rights are afforded to me? How should I proceed? I can\u2019t believe someone can just destroy people\u2019s lives like this and all of us are just out of luck. I might be forgetting stuff, so I\u2019ll answer any questions as best I can.\r \r \r \r \r ---\r LocationBot 4.97 23\/269ths | Report Issues","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19212.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjy8i5f","c_root_id_B":"gjxwjxz","created_at_utc_A":1611155571,"created_at_utc_B":1611148980,"score_A":366,"score_B":346,"human_ref_A":"Just an addition to consider. This woman has no license, no insurance, ran a stop sign with a child in the car and then begged you not to call the cops. And *all of this* gives you trust that \"her father\" is a legitimate and experienced craftsman who will repair your car, return lost value to your property, and ensure your safety should you crash again? *This sounds like a wise plan for you?*","human_ref_B":"You should have called the police. She should not be on the road and the fact she hit you will already breaking a few laws already doesn't change anything. You should also report the accident to your insurance company.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":6591.0,"score_ratio":1.0578034682} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjxxqup","c_root_id_B":"gjy8i5f","created_at_utc_A":1611149738,"created_at_utc_B":1611155571,"score_A":35,"score_B":366,"human_ref_A":"At a minimum you should have gotten a written acknowledgment from her indicating what happened and that she was entirely at fault, along with pictures of the accident scene, of her, and any ID she had.If she is judgement proof and doesn\u2019t have insurance and fails to honor the promise to have your car repaired then there is not much that you can really do to get your car repaired other than use your insurance assuming you have coverage.","human_ref_B":"Just an addition to consider. This woman has no license, no insurance, ran a stop sign with a child in the car and then begged you not to call the cops. And *all of this* gives you trust that \"her father\" is a legitimate and experienced craftsman who will repair your car, return lost value to your property, and ensure your safety should you crash again? *This sounds like a wise plan for you?*","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5833.0,"score_ratio":10.4571428571} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjxwwag","c_root_id_B":"gjy8i5f","created_at_utc_A":1611149198,"created_at_utc_B":1611155571,"score_A":8,"score_B":366,"human_ref_A":"it's up to you what you want to do in an accident. if you want to settle it privately that's largely acceptable in the us. if you can locate her you can sue her in small claims. but people without a license or insurance usually can't pay out of pocket. the police report at least gives you solid info on who she is. they might choose to give her penalties for not having insurance\/license.","human_ref_B":"Just an addition to consider. This woman has no license, no insurance, ran a stop sign with a child in the car and then begged you not to call the cops. And *all of this* gives you trust that \"her father\" is a legitimate and experienced craftsman who will repair your car, return lost value to your property, and ensure your safety should you crash again? *This sounds like a wise plan for you?*","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6373.0,"score_ratio":45.75} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjyka65","c_root_id_B":"gjxxqup","created_at_utc_A":1611161144,"created_at_utc_B":1611149738,"score_A":42,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Doesn't matter what you should've done. What you should do now is call the cops.","human_ref_B":"At a minimum you should have gotten a written acknowledgment from her indicating what happened and that she was entirely at fault, along with pictures of the accident scene, of her, and any ID she had.If she is judgement proof and doesn\u2019t have insurance and fails to honor the promise to have your car repaired then there is not much that you can really do to get your car repaired other than use your insurance assuming you have coverage.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11406.0,"score_ratio":1.2} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjyf0k6","c_root_id_B":"gjyka65","created_at_utc_A":1611158723,"created_at_utc_B":1611161144,"score_A":12,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"Cant you still let the cops know? I mean you feel bad and all for her but the fact that she is driving with an expired license and no insurance are major red flags. Plus depending on the state, your insurance company may still make you pay your share of deductible of she is without insurance. Heck my insurance company wasnt even willing to cover my costs without a police report.","human_ref_B":"Doesn't matter what you should've done. What you should do now is call the cops.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":2421.0,"score_ratio":3.5} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjxwwag","c_root_id_B":"gjyka65","created_at_utc_A":1611149198,"created_at_utc_B":1611161144,"score_A":8,"score_B":42,"human_ref_A":"it's up to you what you want to do in an accident. if you want to settle it privately that's largely acceptable in the us. if you can locate her you can sue her in small claims. but people without a license or insurance usually can't pay out of pocket. the police report at least gives you solid info on who she is. they might choose to give her penalties for not having insurance\/license.","human_ref_B":"Doesn't matter what you should've done. What you should do now is call the cops.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11946.0,"score_ratio":5.25} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjysfyz","c_root_id_B":"gjyp4zu","created_at_utc_A":1611164610,"created_at_utc_B":1611163225,"score_A":37,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"This is the reason EVERYONE should have **uninsured\/under-insured** motorists coverage.","human_ref_B":"You should have called the police. You can still call the police. Do so and get a police report to submit to your insurance company. This is what you pay them for.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1385.0,"score_ratio":1.0571428571} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjysfyz","c_root_id_B":"gjxxqup","created_at_utc_A":1611164610,"created_at_utc_B":1611149738,"score_A":37,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"This is the reason EVERYONE should have **uninsured\/under-insured** motorists coverage.","human_ref_B":"At a minimum you should have gotten a written acknowledgment from her indicating what happened and that she was entirely at fault, along with pictures of the accident scene, of her, and any ID she had.If she is judgement proof and doesn\u2019t have insurance and fails to honor the promise to have your car repaired then there is not much that you can really do to get your car repaired other than use your insurance assuming you have coverage.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14872.0,"score_ratio":1.0571428571} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjyf0k6","c_root_id_B":"gjysfyz","created_at_utc_A":1611158723,"created_at_utc_B":1611164610,"score_A":12,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"Cant you still let the cops know? I mean you feel bad and all for her but the fact that she is driving with an expired license and no insurance are major red flags. Plus depending on the state, your insurance company may still make you pay your share of deductible of she is without insurance. Heck my insurance company wasnt even willing to cover my costs without a police report.","human_ref_B":"This is the reason EVERYONE should have **uninsured\/under-insured** motorists coverage.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":5887.0,"score_ratio":3.0833333333} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjxwwag","c_root_id_B":"gjysfyz","created_at_utc_A":1611149198,"created_at_utc_B":1611164610,"score_A":8,"score_B":37,"human_ref_A":"it's up to you what you want to do in an accident. if you want to settle it privately that's largely acceptable in the us. if you can locate her you can sue her in small claims. but people without a license or insurance usually can't pay out of pocket. the police report at least gives you solid info on who she is. they might choose to give her penalties for not having insurance\/license.","human_ref_B":"This is the reason EVERYONE should have **uninsured\/under-insured** motorists coverage.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15412.0,"score_ratio":4.625} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjyp4zu","c_root_id_B":"gjyf0k6","created_at_utc_A":1611163225,"created_at_utc_B":1611158723,"score_A":35,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"You should have called the police. You can still call the police. Do so and get a police report to submit to your insurance company. This is what you pay them for.","human_ref_B":"Cant you still let the cops know? I mean you feel bad and all for her but the fact that she is driving with an expired license and no insurance are major red flags. Plus depending on the state, your insurance company may still make you pay your share of deductible of she is without insurance. Heck my insurance company wasnt even willing to cover my costs without a police report.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4502.0,"score_ratio":2.9166666667} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjyp4zu","c_root_id_B":"gjxwwag","created_at_utc_A":1611163225,"created_at_utc_B":1611149198,"score_A":35,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"You should have called the police. You can still call the police. Do so and get a police report to submit to your insurance company. This is what you pay them for.","human_ref_B":"it's up to you what you want to do in an accident. if you want to settle it privately that's largely acceptable in the us. if you can locate her you can sue her in small claims. but people without a license or insurance usually can't pay out of pocket. the police report at least gives you solid info on who she is. they might choose to give her penalties for not having insurance\/license.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14027.0,"score_ratio":4.375} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjxwwag","c_root_id_B":"gjxxqup","created_at_utc_A":1611149198,"created_at_utc_B":1611149738,"score_A":8,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"it's up to you what you want to do in an accident. if you want to settle it privately that's largely acceptable in the us. if you can locate her you can sue her in small claims. but people without a license or insurance usually can't pay out of pocket. the police report at least gives you solid info on who she is. they might choose to give her penalties for not having insurance\/license.","human_ref_B":"At a minimum you should have gotten a written acknowledgment from her indicating what happened and that she was entirely at fault, along with pictures of the accident scene, of her, and any ID she had.If she is judgement proof and doesn\u2019t have insurance and fails to honor the promise to have your car repaired then there is not much that you can really do to get your car repaired other than use your insurance assuming you have coverage.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":540.0,"score_ratio":4.375} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjz0ufd","c_root_id_B":"gjywzdo","created_at_utc_A":1611168223,"created_at_utc_B":1611166562,"score_A":25,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Call the police. In some places it's illegal not to report an accident. She's trying to scam you.","human_ref_B":"Be prepared to receive a notice from her attorney about the wreck you caused and all of the emotional+physical trauma she has been dealing with for the past few weeks.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1661.0,"score_ratio":1.4705882353} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjyf0k6","c_root_id_B":"gjz0ufd","created_at_utc_A":1611158723,"created_at_utc_B":1611168223,"score_A":12,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"Cant you still let the cops know? I mean you feel bad and all for her but the fact that she is driving with an expired license and no insurance are major red flags. Plus depending on the state, your insurance company may still make you pay your share of deductible of she is without insurance. Heck my insurance company wasnt even willing to cover my costs without a police report.","human_ref_B":"Call the police. In some places it's illegal not to report an accident. She's trying to scam you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9500.0,"score_ratio":2.0833333333} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjz0ufd","c_root_id_B":"gjywlln","created_at_utc_A":1611168223,"created_at_utc_B":1611166398,"score_A":25,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Call the police. In some places it's illegal not to report an accident. She's trying to scam you.","human_ref_B":"At a minimum it begs the question of what other violations this woman is responsible for? Why doesn\u2019t she have a license? Is she a repeat offender? What if next time she runs a stop sign she kills someone?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1825.0,"score_ratio":2.5} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjxwwag","c_root_id_B":"gjz0ufd","created_at_utc_A":1611149198,"created_at_utc_B":1611168223,"score_A":8,"score_B":25,"human_ref_A":"it's up to you what you want to do in an accident. if you want to settle it privately that's largely acceptable in the us. if you can locate her you can sue her in small claims. but people without a license or insurance usually can't pay out of pocket. the police report at least gives you solid info on who she is. they might choose to give her penalties for not having insurance\/license.","human_ref_B":"Call the police. In some places it's illegal not to report an accident. She's trying to scam you.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":19025.0,"score_ratio":3.125} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjz0ufd","c_root_id_B":"gjyxmq5","created_at_utc_A":1611168223,"created_at_utc_B":1611166839,"score_A":25,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Call the police. In some places it's illegal not to report an accident. She's trying to scam you.","human_ref_B":"this woman has no business being behind the wheel of a car. always call cops and your insurance company when you've been in an accident. most likely, her dad is a shade-tree mechanic. he understands cars and has tools needed to do minor repairs. but checking your vehicle to make sure there's no complicated damage he can't repair? or which requires expensive parts? hardly.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1384.0,"score_ratio":3.5714285714} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjyf0k6","c_root_id_B":"gjywzdo","created_at_utc_A":1611158723,"created_at_utc_B":1611166562,"score_A":12,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"Cant you still let the cops know? I mean you feel bad and all for her but the fact that she is driving with an expired license and no insurance are major red flags. Plus depending on the state, your insurance company may still make you pay your share of deductible of she is without insurance. Heck my insurance company wasnt even willing to cover my costs without a police report.","human_ref_B":"Be prepared to receive a notice from her attorney about the wreck you caused and all of the emotional+physical trauma she has been dealing with for the past few weeks.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7839.0,"score_ratio":1.4166666667} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjywzdo","c_root_id_B":"gjywlln","created_at_utc_A":1611166562,"created_at_utc_B":1611166398,"score_A":17,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"Be prepared to receive a notice from her attorney about the wreck you caused and all of the emotional+physical trauma she has been dealing with for the past few weeks.","human_ref_B":"At a minimum it begs the question of what other violations this woman is responsible for? Why doesn\u2019t she have a license? Is she a repeat offender? What if next time she runs a stop sign she kills someone?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":164.0,"score_ratio":1.7} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjxwwag","c_root_id_B":"gjywzdo","created_at_utc_A":1611149198,"created_at_utc_B":1611166562,"score_A":8,"score_B":17,"human_ref_A":"it's up to you what you want to do in an accident. if you want to settle it privately that's largely acceptable in the us. if you can locate her you can sue her in small claims. but people without a license or insurance usually can't pay out of pocket. the police report at least gives you solid info on who she is. they might choose to give her penalties for not having insurance\/license.","human_ref_B":"Be prepared to receive a notice from her attorney about the wreck you caused and all of the emotional+physical trauma she has been dealing with for the past few weeks.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17364.0,"score_ratio":2.125} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjyf0k6","c_root_id_B":"gjxwwag","created_at_utc_A":1611158723,"created_at_utc_B":1611149198,"score_A":12,"score_B":8,"human_ref_A":"Cant you still let the cops know? I mean you feel bad and all for her but the fact that she is driving with an expired license and no insurance are major red flags. Plus depending on the state, your insurance company may still make you pay your share of deductible of she is without insurance. Heck my insurance company wasnt even willing to cover my costs without a police report.","human_ref_B":"it's up to you what you want to do in an accident. if you want to settle it privately that's largely acceptable in the us. if you can locate her you can sue her in small claims. but people without a license or insurance usually can't pay out of pocket. the police report at least gives you solid info on who she is. they might choose to give her penalties for not having insurance\/license.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9525.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjxwwag","c_root_id_B":"gjywlln","created_at_utc_A":1611149198,"created_at_utc_B":1611166398,"score_A":8,"score_B":10,"human_ref_A":"it's up to you what you want to do in an accident. if you want to settle it privately that's largely acceptable in the us. if you can locate her you can sue her in small claims. but people without a license or insurance usually can't pay out of pocket. the police report at least gives you solid info on who she is. they might choose to give her penalties for not having insurance\/license.","human_ref_B":"At a minimum it begs the question of what other violations this woman is responsible for? Why doesn\u2019t she have a license? Is she a repeat offender? What if next time she runs a stop sign she kills someone?","labels":0,"seconds_difference":17200.0,"score_ratio":1.25} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjzwaap","c_root_id_B":"gjz22ah","created_at_utc_A":1611182144,"created_at_utc_B":1611168746,"score_A":6,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"Same thing happened to me. Call the cops people are liars don\u2019t trust anyone. Even a mother with a child I made the same mistake. You have insurance for a reason","human_ref_B":"well, you got your good advice. but maybe you're secretly still tempted to proceed per her plan. maybe she's kind of cute, and now you have her phone number. if so, do careful due diligence on her father's shop. figure out if he credibly has the resources to do the job. does he have the customer reviews that give you confidence? would you hire him under different circumstances? don't assume her father is ready to bail her out, even he has the resources. he may be a lot more tired of her screw-ups than you are. call your insurance company and tell them you're thinking about letting someone settle an at-fault accident without involving your insurance company. find out if you have any recourse with them if you later realize that you made a mistake trying to settle it directly (as you will).","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13398.0,"score_ratio":1.2} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjz8ex8","c_root_id_B":"gjzwaap","created_at_utc_A":1611171500,"created_at_utc_B":1611182144,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"You don't mention your location. In my state, if the collision is minor, there is no requirement that the police be called to the scene, but each driver involved in the collision must submit a report within 4 days. When that's done, a number is assigned to the report. If you plan to ask your insurance company to pay for the damage, you need to follow the reporting procedures because the company will ask for a report number. If you don't file a report and work with your insurance, you'll be driving a car with a dent in it unless you decide to get it fixed. Assuming you decide to get it fixed, I suggest you go to a few reputable body shops and get quotes. You could try to get satisfaction from this random person's father, who may or may not exist, but the questions you should be asking yourself now are: am I willing to let this person off the hook and bear the cost myself? Do I believe that she won't lie about the accident to scam me? Most people wouldn't take these risks.","human_ref_B":"Same thing happened to me. Call the cops people are liars don\u2019t trust anyone. Even a mother with a child I made the same mistake. You have insurance for a reason","labels":0,"seconds_difference":10644.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjzg1qq","c_root_id_B":"gjzwaap","created_at_utc_A":1611174829,"created_at_utc_B":1611182144,"score_A":3,"score_B":6,"human_ref_A":"You should have called the cops. If she's driving dangerously with expired license, ran a stop sign with a kid in the car and caused an accident, you shouldn't look the other way. Next time the damage might not be so minor.","human_ref_B":"Same thing happened to me. Call the cops people are liars don\u2019t trust anyone. Even a mother with a child I made the same mistake. You have insurance for a reason","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7315.0,"score_ratio":2.0} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjzwaap","c_root_id_B":"gjz2znt","created_at_utc_A":1611182144,"created_at_utc_B":1611169140,"score_A":6,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"Same thing happened to me. Call the cops people are liars don\u2019t trust anyone. Even a mother with a child I made the same mistake. You have insurance for a reason","human_ref_B":"I'm assuming you at least got her contact info. If you have to go to your insurance company later, you might try this, \"The woman who hit me said her father owned an auto shop and could have him fix it. So I agreed to take care of it between us so as to not have to involve you, my insurance company. Just trying to save time and money all around. So I trusted her but she did not follow through. Here's the police report and a copy of my dashcam video of the accident. Here's her contact info. Please start a claim.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13004.0,"score_ratio":3.0} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjz8ex8","c_root_id_B":"gjz2znt","created_at_utc_A":1611171500,"created_at_utc_B":1611169140,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You don't mention your location. In my state, if the collision is minor, there is no requirement that the police be called to the scene, but each driver involved in the collision must submit a report within 4 days. When that's done, a number is assigned to the report. If you plan to ask your insurance company to pay for the damage, you need to follow the reporting procedures because the company will ask for a report number. If you don't file a report and work with your insurance, you'll be driving a car with a dent in it unless you decide to get it fixed. Assuming you decide to get it fixed, I suggest you go to a few reputable body shops and get quotes. You could try to get satisfaction from this random person's father, who may or may not exist, but the questions you should be asking yourself now are: am I willing to let this person off the hook and bear the cost myself? Do I believe that she won't lie about the accident to scam me? Most people wouldn't take these risks.","human_ref_B":"I'm assuming you at least got her contact info. If you have to go to your insurance company later, you might try this, \"The woman who hit me said her father owned an auto shop and could have him fix it. So I agreed to take care of it between us so as to not have to involve you, my insurance company. Just trying to save time and money all around. So I trusted her but she did not follow through. Here's the police report and a copy of my dashcam video of the accident. Here's her contact info. Please start a claim.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2360.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjzg1qq","c_root_id_B":"gjz2znt","created_at_utc_A":1611174829,"created_at_utc_B":1611169140,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"You should have called the cops. If she's driving dangerously with expired license, ran a stop sign with a kid in the car and caused an accident, you shouldn't look the other way. Next time the damage might not be so minor.","human_ref_B":"I'm assuming you at least got her contact info. If you have to go to your insurance company later, you might try this, \"The woman who hit me said her father owned an auto shop and could have him fix it. So I agreed to take care of it between us so as to not have to involve you, my insurance company. Just trying to save time and money all around. So I trusted her but she did not follow through. Here's the police report and a copy of my dashcam video of the accident. Here's her contact info. Please start a claim.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":5689.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gjz2znt","c_root_id_B":"gk01sl3","created_at_utc_A":1611169140,"created_at_utc_B":1611184860,"score_A":2,"score_B":3,"human_ref_A":"I'm assuming you at least got her contact info. If you have to go to your insurance company later, you might try this, \"The woman who hit me said her father owned an auto shop and could have him fix it. So I agreed to take care of it between us so as to not have to involve you, my insurance company. Just trying to save time and money all around. So I trusted her but she did not follow through. Here's the police report and a copy of my dashcam video of the accident. Here's her contact info. Please start a claim.\"","human_ref_B":"What should you have done? Same thing you should do now. File a claim the your insurance.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15720.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"l190sp","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Lady ran stop sign and hit me. She begged me not to call the cops and claims her license is expired - she says her father can fix my car. What should I have done? Happened last night. I have the entire accident on dashcamera which clearly shows she is at fault. The accident wasnt TOO bad but theres a clear dent on the front of my car. She was a young women with a young child in the back seat. She was very sorry, said she didnt see the stop sign. She begged me not to call the cops because her license is expired, doesnt have insurance and her father has a mechanic shop who will fix my car for free. She said this is better because now it wont be on my car's record. I felt kind of bad so I didnt call the police. I did get her name, number, license plate and vin number from her car just in case. I will be calling her later about her father's mechanic shop. Did I make a mistake? What should I do if she ghosts me? Am I screwed if she ghosts me?","c_root_id_A":"gk0g2hj","c_root_id_B":"gjz2znt","created_at_utc_A":1611192162,"created_at_utc_B":1611169140,"score_A":3,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"I wouldn't do this in a million years. How do you know he will do an honest job? How do you know that she even speaks for him? Why does she have the ability to commit him to possibly thousands in repairs but can't get a license or pay for insurance? I'm not unsympathetic to her. But you are screwing yourself if you don't call the police and file an insurance claim.","human_ref_B":"I'm assuming you at least got her contact info. If you have to go to your insurance company later, you might try this, \"The woman who hit me said her father owned an auto shop and could have him fix it. So I agreed to take care of it between us so as to not have to involve you, my insurance company. Just trying to save time and money all around. So I trusted her but she did not follow through. Here's the police report and a copy of my dashcam video of the accident. Here's her contact info. Please start a claim.\"","labels":1,"seconds_difference":23022.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"i4k79s","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.6,"history":"Friend wants me to get them pregnant. I (26M) have a friend (29F) who is looking to have a baby. She is in a long term relationship with her girlfriend. They have been dating for 5 years and plan to get married after Covid-19 is over. They want to have a baby that is biologically theirs, but don't want the hassle or costs associated with artificial insemenation. She says she would be willing to sign a contract assuming all parental rights and obligations and put her gf on the birth certificate. I'm willing to do it. I've known her since highschool, and trust her. I'm not sure about the legality though. The is in Georgia, USA btw","c_root_id_A":"g0iszqy","c_root_id_B":"g0italp","created_at_utc_A":1596684743,"created_at_utc_B":1596684932,"score_A":133,"score_B":149,"human_ref_A":"Any such contract would be worthless. Do it through a clinic, be prepared to support a child for 18 years, or don\u2019t do it. Pick one","human_ref_B":"No, no no no no, no no no. Go through a clinic or not at all.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":189.0,"score_ratio":1.1203007519} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3n3r6b","c_root_id_B":"i3n2g8m","created_at_utc_A":1649261198,"created_at_utc_B":1649260709,"score_A":239,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"There doesn't have to be a criminal activity clause in a lease, that's a legitimate reason to evict. To be clear, you *didn't* move out, you are still staying there, since \"the landlord asked the other roommates move their things out.\" If that's the case, you'd owe the full rent and the other roommates would still have to pay.","human_ref_B":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":489.0,"score_ratio":34.1428571429} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3pmmeg","c_root_id_B":"i3ofzu3","created_at_utc_A":1649297736,"created_at_utc_B":1649279110,"score_A":131,"score_B":113,"human_ref_A":"He can\u2019t just asked you to leave. He had to go through the court system to have you evicted. If you are paying rent and haven\u2019t been evicted you can live there. He can\u2019t have his cake and eat it too. You have a case against landlord.","human_ref_B":"Contact your local tenants rights association, they will be able to give you better advice, when we lived in Texas and our landlord decided to be a dick they were very helpful","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18626.0,"score_ratio":1.1592920354} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3pmmeg","c_root_id_B":"i3onoqz","created_at_utc_A":1649297736,"created_at_utc_B":1649282127,"score_A":131,"score_B":72,"human_ref_A":"He can\u2019t just asked you to leave. He had to go through the court system to have you evicted. If you are paying rent and haven\u2019t been evicted you can live there. He can\u2019t have his cake and eat it too. You have a case against landlord.","human_ref_B":"If I understand right. You were kicked out\/moved out. Which means there is no legal basis that they can still collect rent as far as I know.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15609.0,"score_ratio":1.8194444444} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3o53nt","c_root_id_B":"i3pmmeg","created_at_utc_A":1649275081,"created_at_utc_B":1649297736,"score_A":47,"score_B":131,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but Adding on to what other have said, are you still in the area? I would consider driving by to see if there is a car there, or any signs that he has re-rented. He can't charge you rent for a place he evicted you from, and he super-cant double-dip two leases for the same space at the same time. This information may make court easier if you seek your money back.","human_ref_B":"He can\u2019t just asked you to leave. He had to go through the court system to have you evicted. If you are paying rent and haven\u2019t been evicted you can live there. He can\u2019t have his cake and eat it too. You have a case against landlord.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":22655.0,"score_ratio":2.7872340426} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3navxc","c_root_id_B":"i3pmmeg","created_at_utc_A":1649263918,"created_at_utc_B":1649297736,"score_A":41,"score_B":131,"human_ref_A":"Were you actually evicted? Was the roommate actually evicted? Or did the landlord only *tell* you to leave? An eviction is a legal process. You would have had legal notice and the opportunity to go to court. If you were *not* evicted, the landlord can offer to end the lease early and you can agree. There is a required notice period that varies by state (easy to Google). If you moved out without officially ending the lease with the required notice, you are still bound by the lease. That means you still have full access to the unit you are renting and have to pay rent. Talk to the landlord. Ask to officially end the lease, and use a conversation in the past as notice. Notice doesn't have to be written, it jsut has to be agreed to by all parties. Written notice is always better because of a paper trail. If the landlord refuses, move back in. You have full rights to use the space until the end of the lease.","human_ref_B":"He can\u2019t just asked you to leave. He had to go through the court system to have you evicted. If you are paying rent and haven\u2019t been evicted you can live there. He can\u2019t have his cake and eat it too. You have a case against landlord.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":33818.0,"score_ratio":3.1951219512} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3p8rg4","c_root_id_B":"i3pmmeg","created_at_utc_A":1649291454,"created_at_utc_B":1649297736,"score_A":33,"score_B":131,"human_ref_A":"No. Kicking you out voids the lease and probably puts him owning you a lot of money. Did you file a petition? Did he get a writ of possession? Only bailiffs can force you out","human_ref_B":"He can\u2019t just asked you to leave. He had to go through the court system to have you evicted. If you are paying rent and haven\u2019t been evicted you can live there. He can\u2019t have his cake and eat it too. You have a case against landlord.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6282.0,"score_ratio":3.9696969697} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3pmmeg","c_root_id_B":"i3n2g8m","created_at_utc_A":1649297736,"created_at_utc_B":1649260709,"score_A":131,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"He can\u2019t just asked you to leave. He had to go through the court system to have you evicted. If you are paying rent and haven\u2019t been evicted you can live there. He can\u2019t have his cake and eat it too. You have a case against landlord.","human_ref_B":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":37027.0,"score_ratio":18.7142857143} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3pmmeg","c_root_id_B":"i3ote24","created_at_utc_A":1649297736,"created_at_utc_B":1649284512,"score_A":131,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"He can\u2019t just asked you to leave. He had to go through the court system to have you evicted. If you are paying rent and haven\u2019t been evicted you can live there. He can\u2019t have his cake and eat it too. You have a case against landlord.","human_ref_B":"I don't know laws in Texas but they can't force you to keep paying rent since you were told to leave. The landlord cut the contract early so you don't have to pay. You should try to get a free consultation with a lawyer tho.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":13224.0,"score_ratio":32.75} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3ofzu3","c_root_id_B":"i3o53nt","created_at_utc_A":1649279110,"created_at_utc_B":1649275081,"score_A":113,"score_B":47,"human_ref_A":"Contact your local tenants rights association, they will be able to give you better advice, when we lived in Texas and our landlord decided to be a dick they were very helpful","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer but Adding on to what other have said, are you still in the area? I would consider driving by to see if there is a car there, or any signs that he has re-rented. He can't charge you rent for a place he evicted you from, and he super-cant double-dip two leases for the same space at the same time. This information may make court easier if you seek your money back.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4029.0,"score_ratio":2.4042553191} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3navxc","c_root_id_B":"i3ofzu3","created_at_utc_A":1649263918,"created_at_utc_B":1649279110,"score_A":41,"score_B":113,"human_ref_A":"Were you actually evicted? Was the roommate actually evicted? Or did the landlord only *tell* you to leave? An eviction is a legal process. You would have had legal notice and the opportunity to go to court. If you were *not* evicted, the landlord can offer to end the lease early and you can agree. There is a required notice period that varies by state (easy to Google). If you moved out without officially ending the lease with the required notice, you are still bound by the lease. That means you still have full access to the unit you are renting and have to pay rent. Talk to the landlord. Ask to officially end the lease, and use a conversation in the past as notice. Notice doesn't have to be written, it jsut has to be agreed to by all parties. Written notice is always better because of a paper trail. If the landlord refuses, move back in. You have full rights to use the space until the end of the lease.","human_ref_B":"Contact your local tenants rights association, they will be able to give you better advice, when we lived in Texas and our landlord decided to be a dick they were very helpful","labels":0,"seconds_difference":15192.0,"score_ratio":2.756097561} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3ofzu3","c_root_id_B":"i3n2g8m","created_at_utc_A":1649279110,"created_at_utc_B":1649260709,"score_A":113,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Contact your local tenants rights association, they will be able to give you better advice, when we lived in Texas and our landlord decided to be a dick they were very helpful","human_ref_B":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18401.0,"score_ratio":16.1428571429} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3o53nt","c_root_id_B":"i3onoqz","created_at_utc_A":1649275081,"created_at_utc_B":1649282127,"score_A":47,"score_B":72,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but Adding on to what other have said, are you still in the area? I would consider driving by to see if there is a car there, or any signs that he has re-rented. He can't charge you rent for a place he evicted you from, and he super-cant double-dip two leases for the same space at the same time. This information may make court easier if you seek your money back.","human_ref_B":"If I understand right. You were kicked out\/moved out. Which means there is no legal basis that they can still collect rent as far as I know.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7046.0,"score_ratio":1.5319148936} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3navxc","c_root_id_B":"i3onoqz","created_at_utc_A":1649263918,"created_at_utc_B":1649282127,"score_A":41,"score_B":72,"human_ref_A":"Were you actually evicted? Was the roommate actually evicted? Or did the landlord only *tell* you to leave? An eviction is a legal process. You would have had legal notice and the opportunity to go to court. If you were *not* evicted, the landlord can offer to end the lease early and you can agree. There is a required notice period that varies by state (easy to Google). If you moved out without officially ending the lease with the required notice, you are still bound by the lease. That means you still have full access to the unit you are renting and have to pay rent. Talk to the landlord. Ask to officially end the lease, and use a conversation in the past as notice. Notice doesn't have to be written, it jsut has to be agreed to by all parties. Written notice is always better because of a paper trail. If the landlord refuses, move back in. You have full rights to use the space until the end of the lease.","human_ref_B":"If I understand right. You were kicked out\/moved out. Which means there is no legal basis that they can still collect rent as far as I know.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18209.0,"score_ratio":1.756097561} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3onoqz","c_root_id_B":"i3n2g8m","created_at_utc_A":1649282127,"created_at_utc_B":1649260709,"score_A":72,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"If I understand right. You were kicked out\/moved out. Which means there is no legal basis that they can still collect rent as far as I know.","human_ref_B":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21418.0,"score_ratio":10.2857142857} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3o53nt","c_root_id_B":"i3navxc","created_at_utc_A":1649275081,"created_at_utc_B":1649263918,"score_A":47,"score_B":41,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but Adding on to what other have said, are you still in the area? I would consider driving by to see if there is a car there, or any signs that he has re-rented. He can't charge you rent for a place he evicted you from, and he super-cant double-dip two leases for the same space at the same time. This information may make court easier if you seek your money back.","human_ref_B":"Were you actually evicted? Was the roommate actually evicted? Or did the landlord only *tell* you to leave? An eviction is a legal process. You would have had legal notice and the opportunity to go to court. If you were *not* evicted, the landlord can offer to end the lease early and you can agree. There is a required notice period that varies by state (easy to Google). If you moved out without officially ending the lease with the required notice, you are still bound by the lease. That means you still have full access to the unit you are renting and have to pay rent. Talk to the landlord. Ask to officially end the lease, and use a conversation in the past as notice. Notice doesn't have to be written, it jsut has to be agreed to by all parties. Written notice is always better because of a paper trail. If the landlord refuses, move back in. You have full rights to use the space until the end of the lease.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":11163.0,"score_ratio":1.1463414634} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3o53nt","c_root_id_B":"i3n2g8m","created_at_utc_A":1649275081,"created_at_utc_B":1649260709,"score_A":47,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but Adding on to what other have said, are you still in the area? I would consider driving by to see if there is a car there, or any signs that he has re-rented. He can't charge you rent for a place he evicted you from, and he super-cant double-dip two leases for the same space at the same time. This information may make court easier if you seek your money back.","human_ref_B":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":14372.0,"score_ratio":6.7142857143} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3navxc","c_root_id_B":"i3n2g8m","created_at_utc_A":1649263918,"created_at_utc_B":1649260709,"score_A":41,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"Were you actually evicted? Was the roommate actually evicted? Or did the landlord only *tell* you to leave? An eviction is a legal process. You would have had legal notice and the opportunity to go to court. If you were *not* evicted, the landlord can offer to end the lease early and you can agree. There is a required notice period that varies by state (easy to Google). If you moved out without officially ending the lease with the required notice, you are still bound by the lease. That means you still have full access to the unit you are renting and have to pay rent. Talk to the landlord. Ask to officially end the lease, and use a conversation in the past as notice. Notice doesn't have to be written, it jsut has to be agreed to by all parties. Written notice is always better because of a paper trail. If the landlord refuses, move back in. You have full rights to use the space until the end of the lease.","human_ref_B":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3209.0,"score_ratio":5.8571428571} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3p8rg4","c_root_id_B":"i3n2g8m","created_at_utc_A":1649291454,"created_at_utc_B":1649260709,"score_A":33,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"No. Kicking you out voids the lease and probably puts him owning you a lot of money. Did you file a petition? Did he get a writ of possession? Only bailiffs can force you out","human_ref_B":"Hi there! I\u2019m the LegalFAQ bot. It looks like you may be experiencing housing issues related to housing or eviction. Come to https:\/\/legalfaq.org to find legal resources for renters in each state. You can also find links to local groups that can help you with legal, financial, or other problems at https:\/\/legalfaq.org\/getHelp. Help us provide accurate advice to fellow redditors: if your post was related to housing or eviction, please like this comment; otherwise, please dislike this comment. *v0.1*","labels":1,"seconds_difference":30745.0,"score_ratio":4.7142857143} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3ote24","c_root_id_B":"i3p8rg4","created_at_utc_A":1649284512,"created_at_utc_B":1649291454,"score_A":4,"score_B":33,"human_ref_A":"I don't know laws in Texas but they can't force you to keep paying rent since you were told to leave. The landlord cut the contract early so you don't have to pay. You should try to get a free consultation with a lawyer tho.","human_ref_B":"No. Kicking you out voids the lease and probably puts him owning you a lot of money. Did you file a petition? Did he get a writ of possession? Only bailiffs can force you out","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6942.0,"score_ratio":8.25} {"post_id":"txpfid","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Roommate engaged in criminal activity. Landlord kicked everyone out and is still charging rent through the end of lease. Roommate engaged in criminal activity and the police raided our apartment. Landlord asked the other roommates move their things out the day the police raided our apartment. Can landlord continue to charge rent until the end of lease for a place we do not live in? Some accompanying facts: - I am on the lease - There is no criminal activity clause in the lease - This took place in Texas - Roommate who was arrested is also on the lease","c_root_id_A":"i3puj64","c_root_id_B":"i3ote24","created_at_utc_A":1649301597,"created_at_utc_B":1649284512,"score_A":7,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer but am a TX tenant who has dealt with a shitty neighbor and eviction. To reiterate, eviction is a legal process and frankly, its a b**** in Texas. Your landlord is responsible legally for giving you notice in writing and I believe it is 5- 7- (up to 30 depending on the situation) days for most common apartment dwellings to get out. The eviction papers would be filed with the local courthouse and you would also be notified. If none of that happened, then you were not evicted legally and most likely do not owe. I highly recommend a local lawyer ( sometimes there are community ones for lower cost) take a look for you to confirm. It is VERY hard to evict in Texas. We are not a landlord right state in many respects. Learned this the hard way when I had to get legal involved due to said s**** neighbor causing an entire building roach infestation due to hoarding. Guess who is still here because the process isn't friendly? The neighbor. Again Not a lawyer so please confirm this info, but this is what we were told when I sought legal to see about our options... I really hope it works out for you. This might help too: https:\/\/guides.sll.texas.gov\/landlord-tenant-law\/evictions","human_ref_B":"I don't know laws in Texas but they can't force you to keep paying rent since you were told to leave. The landlord cut the contract early so you don't have to pay. You should try to get a free consultation with a lawyer tho.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":17085.0,"score_ratio":1.75} {"post_id":"tfzmm3","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"What can I do about my elderly mom\u2019s apartment manager not believing she paid her rent and giving eviction notices? (WI) My mom is 94 and lives in a rent-subsidized apartment complex. They recently got a new manager who is apparently incompetent. She has been there for over 20 years and always pays her rent on time, but the last few months she has received 3 \u201cnotice to pay or evacuate\u201d notices. She has her check carbons and bank statements showing the rent check cleared her bank, but they are insisting that she provide a copy of the canceled check from her bank. Problem is, they sent her checks through electronically so she doesn\u2019t have a canceled check, but her bank statements show that the check was paid. They refuse to accept that. The most frustrating part is they sent her these notices over a week after they cash the check, and I don\u2019t see how they can do that. She doesn\u2019t see or hear very well, so I have been helping her find all the documentation and trying to talk to the manager but this is getting ridiculous. Do I need to call a lawyer? Or file a complaint with the police or some other agency? We are in Wisconsin. Thank you for your help.","c_root_id_A":"i0yx7l0","c_root_id_B":"i0yx995","created_at_utc_A":1647484464,"created_at_utc_B":1647484485,"score_A":6,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. Slumlord. First guess is landlord wants the apartment, if so you need a lawyer. If not you should be able to get you moms bank to print out something with an electronic image showing which bank and account the check went to. Go to a bank branch with a box of donuts (yes you should get wonderful help without the donuts, but the donuts *may* get you the little extra to fix this easily). I\u2019m sorry this is happening to you and your mom.","human_ref_B":"I would start with the higher ups -- corporate management, regional manager, etc. Show them what's been going on. The government agency that subsidizes the rent can be informed to. This isn't a police issue. Get all the documents neat and lined up, because if they try to evict your mom and you show the judge this pattern of documented payments and behavior, ooh wee would I love to be a fly on the wall of that court room.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":21.0,"score_ratio":1.8333333333} {"post_id":"trsaf5","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Most of My Rental Payments Have Suddenly Been Denied - Neither Bank Nor LandLord Can Tell Me What's Going On and I Now Owe Over $3000 I live in Iowa, in the USA. I've been in this apartment since November 1st, though I made some initial payments in October to hold the apartment. Never had an issue paying rent. Every month my rent came out of my bank account and paid through the renter's portal just fine. My payments were also always on time. I live with a roommate who also pays rent through the portal with their own bank. I bank through a smaller Credit Union, who've been phenomenal since day one. I've never had issues with them and I've had them for over five years. They're very good at communicating any potential issues with me. Fast forward to this month, and a couple of weeks ago my March rent payment was listed as disputed by the Rental Property. I called my bank, they have no disputes on file for me at all. I texted my landlord to tell him and ask if he knew what was going on, and he was looking into it for me. Today, a couple of weeks later, I received a huge email list with 90% of my payments to this rental property being listed as \"rejected at the request of my bank\". When I look in my bank account, I don't see the payments they list as being taken out. For example, one payment listed was for 12\/01, if I go back to 12\/01 in my bank history, that rent payment doesn't show up. HOWEVER, I have emailed confirmations of having paid these rent payments for these days. And no money has been returned to my bank account. I suddenly owe my rental property, according to the portal, over $3000 in \"missed payments\" that I DID pay. I had plenty of money in my bank account every time I made one of these payments, but I don't have $3000 right now because the money was never returned to me, but also isn't showing up in my bank statements for some reason. My sister's payments haven't been affected at all. My landlord hasn't had any helpful advice and every time I call my bank, they have no issues on their side. I'm not sure what to do now. I can't, and shouldn't have to, pay my rental property the missing $3000 as I've never consented to or initiated disputes, but I don't know where else or who else to pursue for an answer or solution at this point. I'd love any advice, thank you!","c_root_id_A":"i2oa23d","c_root_id_B":"i2oi7gn","created_at_utc_A":1648612639,"created_at_utc_B":1648617538,"score_A":24,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"You need to have the bank trace the transfer.","human_ref_B":"I work at a credit union, is it possible you transposed your account number? That may explain the charges not showing on your statement and the rejections by the FI to the rental company. I've dealt with this a few times for members where another member transposed account numbers when initiating ACH payments and their account was being debited for someone else's bill. They would typically have to place a stop payment which would cause any future payments to be rejected. I cannot speak for their systems but at the CU that I work at our system will show on the statements, in your online banking any payments made through any type of posting (ACH, Credit, Debit etc.).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4899.0,"score_ratio":1.2083333333} {"post_id":"trsaf5","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Most of My Rental Payments Have Suddenly Been Denied - Neither Bank Nor LandLord Can Tell Me What's Going On and I Now Owe Over $3000 I live in Iowa, in the USA. I've been in this apartment since November 1st, though I made some initial payments in October to hold the apartment. Never had an issue paying rent. Every month my rent came out of my bank account and paid through the renter's portal just fine. My payments were also always on time. I live with a roommate who also pays rent through the portal with their own bank. I bank through a smaller Credit Union, who've been phenomenal since day one. I've never had issues with them and I've had them for over five years. They're very good at communicating any potential issues with me. Fast forward to this month, and a couple of weeks ago my March rent payment was listed as disputed by the Rental Property. I called my bank, they have no disputes on file for me at all. I texted my landlord to tell him and ask if he knew what was going on, and he was looking into it for me. Today, a couple of weeks later, I received a huge email list with 90% of my payments to this rental property being listed as \"rejected at the request of my bank\". When I look in my bank account, I don't see the payments they list as being taken out. For example, one payment listed was for 12\/01, if I go back to 12\/01 in my bank history, that rent payment doesn't show up. HOWEVER, I have emailed confirmations of having paid these rent payments for these days. And no money has been returned to my bank account. I suddenly owe my rental property, according to the portal, over $3000 in \"missed payments\" that I DID pay. I had plenty of money in my bank account every time I made one of these payments, but I don't have $3000 right now because the money was never returned to me, but also isn't showing up in my bank statements for some reason. My sister's payments haven't been affected at all. My landlord hasn't had any helpful advice and every time I call my bank, they have no issues on their side. I'm not sure what to do now. I can't, and shouldn't have to, pay my rental property the missing $3000 as I've never consented to or initiated disputes, but I don't know where else or who else to pursue for an answer or solution at this point. I'd love any advice, thank you!","c_root_id_A":"i2pqi7k","c_root_id_B":"i2ojnoe","created_at_utc_A":1648648197,"created_at_utc_B":1648618516,"score_A":12,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"You say: >When I look in my bank account, I don't see the payments they list as being taken out. For example, one payment listed was for 12\/01, if I go back to 12\/01 in my bank history, that rent payment doesn't show up. and then > I had plenty of money in my bank account every time I made one of these payments, but I don't have $3000 right now because the money was never returned to me, but also isn't showing up in my bank statements for some reason. So, what is it? In the first statement you say the money was never taken from your account, and the second statement you say you don't have the money now because it was never returned. Do your STATEMENTS show deductions from your account, payable to your landlord, or not? If they do, then ask your bank where that money went. If they do not, then you owe rent to your landlord, and I guess you need to track your spending better because it sounds like you spent your rent money on other things.","human_ref_B":"You paid the Landlord, and you have the bank statements showing those payments to prove it, and your bank backing you up that there are no issues. The Landlord's \"portal\" is not definitive proof of anything. That's just words on a website\/software. The Landlord would have to take you to court. They would likely need to get their bank involved as well. DON'T PAY ANYTHING.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":29681.0,"score_ratio":3.0} {"post_id":"trsaf5","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.94,"history":"Most of My Rental Payments Have Suddenly Been Denied - Neither Bank Nor LandLord Can Tell Me What's Going On and I Now Owe Over $3000 I live in Iowa, in the USA. I've been in this apartment since November 1st, though I made some initial payments in October to hold the apartment. Never had an issue paying rent. Every month my rent came out of my bank account and paid through the renter's portal just fine. My payments were also always on time. I live with a roommate who also pays rent through the portal with their own bank. I bank through a smaller Credit Union, who've been phenomenal since day one. I've never had issues with them and I've had them for over five years. They're very good at communicating any potential issues with me. Fast forward to this month, and a couple of weeks ago my March rent payment was listed as disputed by the Rental Property. I called my bank, they have no disputes on file for me at all. I texted my landlord to tell him and ask if he knew what was going on, and he was looking into it for me. Today, a couple of weeks later, I received a huge email list with 90% of my payments to this rental property being listed as \"rejected at the request of my bank\". When I look in my bank account, I don't see the payments they list as being taken out. For example, one payment listed was for 12\/01, if I go back to 12\/01 in my bank history, that rent payment doesn't show up. HOWEVER, I have emailed confirmations of having paid these rent payments for these days. And no money has been returned to my bank account. I suddenly owe my rental property, according to the portal, over $3000 in \"missed payments\" that I DID pay. I had plenty of money in my bank account every time I made one of these payments, but I don't have $3000 right now because the money was never returned to me, but also isn't showing up in my bank statements for some reason. My sister's payments haven't been affected at all. My landlord hasn't had any helpful advice and every time I call my bank, they have no issues on their side. I'm not sure what to do now. I can't, and shouldn't have to, pay my rental property the missing $3000 as I've never consented to or initiated disputes, but I don't know where else or who else to pursue for an answer or solution at this point. I'd love any advice, thank you!","c_root_id_A":"i2ojnoe","c_root_id_B":"i2r6bgz","created_at_utc_A":1648618516,"created_at_utc_B":1648668910,"score_A":4,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"You paid the Landlord, and you have the bank statements showing those payments to prove it, and your bank backing you up that there are no issues. The Landlord's \"portal\" is not definitive proof of anything. That's just words on a website\/software. The Landlord would have to take you to court. They would likely need to get their bank involved as well. DON'T PAY ANYTHING.","human_ref_B":"In order to give you any guidance I think we all need a little more clarity. There is no transaction line for each rent payment on your bank statement but the actual balance decreases? Does the balance not decrease AND there is no transaction line? There ***is*** a transaction line but it reads \"canceled\" or \"returned\" or something like that? On to the advice - you need to figure out what's going on from your bank first, then landlord second. Get everything figured out on your banks end. *WHERE DID YOUR MONEY GO?* Get that answer ASAP. For your landlord, talk to them. Stay in open communication. Explain everything and ask for their patience. You may be able to delay a filing of an eviction. Right now, they are not in receipt of your money so they can take whatever legal action your jurisdiction allows. Read up on eviction law and tenants rights in Iowa and your town. Here is Iowa Legal Aid's Eviction page - https:\/\/www.iowalegalaid.org\/resource\/evictions-101","labels":0,"seconds_difference":50394.0,"score_ratio":1.75} {"post_id":"cdko5n","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.96,"history":"Caught Kids on Camera Stealing My Amazon Package First of all, I live in Toronto, Canada. Three children, all likely under 10 years old, can be seen on my camera conspiring to steal my amazon package. They ring the doorbell a few times and said that they are fundraising. When no-one answers the door, the oldest girl covers the camera with her hand while the boy (presumably) takes the package and runs. The little boy in hesitant and doesn't grab it the first time the girl covers the camera, but he gets in position before she covers it the second time and is out of frame by the time she uncovers it. My question is two-pronged. Firstly, what can I legally do with this video, as the perpetrators are minors? Would there be any legal backlash if I were to post the video online, either before or after speaking with the police? Would I be able to pull still images from the video and post them up around the neighborhood? These kids are creating a reputation for themselves, of which the neighborhood should be aware - not to mention the value of public shaming. Secondly, what if any direct legal recourse do we have? I have called the police but they said it could be a few days before an officer is available to even arrange a viewing of the video. Like I mentioned before, the perpetrators are minors, so I'd imagine the whole situation would be handled differently. Is there any recourse against the parents of the children? The mother of the 2 girls in the video is well-known in the area for her poor parenting practices and this could be the opportunity many have been waiting for to shake some sense into her. I'll also mention that Amazon has been great and immediately refunded us. However, we are still a little shaken up as it feels our quiet little suburb is changing in some ugly ways. Thank you for any advice you might have. I will gladly post the video if you guys can prove to me that I won't be breaking the law myself by doing so.","c_root_id_A":"etvc0ms","c_root_id_B":"etvc1du","created_at_utc_A":1563231445,"created_at_utc_B":1563231459,"score_A":2,"score_B":35,"human_ref_A":"Send the video to the detective and let them handle it. Send other pertinent information as well. It seems you know who the mother is.","human_ref_B":"You\u2019ve already called the police, so you\u2019ve already answered the second question. As to the first, show the parent the video. Gauge their reaction. A bit of personal advice, cut the dramatics. Your neighborhood hasn\u2019t changed because three 10 year olds committed a crime.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":14.0,"score_ratio":17.5} {"post_id":"ymhizc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Note on my car from police department says I damaged vehicle in front of me (Rhode Island) Just got out of work and went to my car parked on a side street in the city. Found a note on my windshield from the police department that says \u201cReport taken for damage to vehicle in front of you\u201d then lists a number. I was not even close to the person in front of me when i parked, the car currently in front of me in undamaged, and there is no damage to my front bumper either. What is going on?","c_root_id_A":"iv3yerl","c_root_id_B":"iv5w9jg","created_at_utc_A":1667615767,"created_at_utc_B":1667662428,"score_A":13,"score_B":36,"human_ref_A":"Google the number and see if it really belongs to the police department.","human_ref_B":"Bring the note to the police dept. If it is legit, deal with it there. If it is a scam, have them handle it.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":46661.0,"score_ratio":2.7692307692} {"post_id":"ymhizc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.89,"history":"Note on my car from police department says I damaged vehicle in front of me (Rhode Island) Just got out of work and went to my car parked on a side street in the city. Found a note on my windshield from the police department that says \u201cReport taken for damage to vehicle in front of you\u201d then lists a number. I was not even close to the person in front of me when i parked, the car currently in front of me in undamaged, and there is no damage to my front bumper either. What is going on?","c_root_id_A":"iv5w9jg","c_root_id_B":"iv4ysok","created_at_utc_A":1667662428,"created_at_utc_B":1667643219,"score_A":36,"score_B":11,"human_ref_A":"Bring the note to the police dept. If it is legit, deal with it there. If it is a scam, have them handle it.","human_ref_B":"Its a scam","labels":1,"seconds_difference":19209.0,"score_ratio":3.2727272727} {"post_id":"ohrqek","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"My work just sent out my social, DOB, address, and full name to every person in the 150 person company. What should I do? United States Title really says it, but there is one more level. A company just bought our company, and in the transition they sent out every managers above information in a mass email to the entire company. Not sure where to start with this, any ideas what I need to ask\/guarantee in the following days?","c_root_id_A":"h4qxhzn","c_root_id_B":"h4qtocq","created_at_utc_A":1625956089,"created_at_utc_B":1625954059,"score_A":205,"score_B":175,"human_ref_A":"If you have not done so already you should freeze your credit with the big three credit bureaus. R\/personalfinance has a wiki about this.","human_ref_B":"Ask them to pay for credit monitoring.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2030.0,"score_ratio":1.1714285714} {"post_id":"r6qdqu","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"Friend had his photo posted by local police department and when he called they won\u2019t tell him what it\u2019s for or take down the photo. Just checking if this is legal\/he has any recourse? Wisconsin USA: My friend and I are doctors at a health system in Wisconsin. He was shopping at Walmart with his daughter a couple of days ago and today the local police department calling him a person of interest. About 300 people have commented and 600 have shared the post. He has called the local police and they are refusing to give him the reason why they are looking for him, are refusing to take down the post, and are instead asking him for his address. He denies doing anything other than buying flowers for his wife who is due to give birth in 2 days. My friend is very concerned about his face being posted by the police on local social media especially as he is a doctor in the community and this this might affect his reputation. His question is just whether he needs to seek legal help to find out why his photo is being posted and what he can do to get the photo taken down? Thanks for your help.","c_root_id_A":"hmuph0o","c_root_id_B":"hmupoh0","created_at_utc_A":1638396352,"created_at_utc_B":1638396432,"score_A":61,"score_B":89,"human_ref_A":"If he is a \"person of interest\" I'd suggest a lawyer.","human_ref_B":"Time for your friend to find an attorney. He should also check to see if there are warrants out for him. DIY criminal defense is a an excellent way to get locked up. Innocence doesn't even factor into the equation once cops consider you a person of interest.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":80.0,"score_ratio":1.4590163934} {"post_id":"oatz1g","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.87,"history":"Job sent paycheck to parents house across the country but my family does not want to send it to me, even though I need the money. Can I ask for a new paycheck to be sent via direct deposit and somehow void the old one? Family wants me to wait until I visit them 2 mos from now to deposit the check but I want to fully pay off my credit card bill ASAP. the check expires in 180 days so 2 months from now itll still be valid. I don\u2019t want to explain to my parents why I need the money right now bc I don\u2019t want my family to judge me for spending too much money (I\u2019m in the process of recovering from a shopping addiction and I\u2019m actually making progress but I\u2019d rather avoid having my credit score ruined before it\u2019s too late).","c_root_id_A":"h3jqkjb","c_root_id_B":"h3jl285","created_at_utc_A":1625051666,"created_at_utc_B":1625047036,"score_A":13,"score_B":4,"human_ref_A":"If you had not updated your information the company generally doesn\u2019t have an obligation to issue a new check, although they may be willing to. You can certainly ask for a new check and that it be mailed to a new address, they will probably charge you a cancelled check fee because they will be charged a fee by the bank to cancel the check they already issued. Direct deposit is unlikely for this existing check because of how that process works. Ultimately you have a company policy issue, talk to the company and see if\/how they will work with you.","human_ref_B":"That would be something that is up to your company whether they want to reissue your paycheck. Speak with your boss that's the only way to find out. You could always act like you never received it in the first place since you know it's just going to sit at your parents house. They would most likely issue another one. I think for direct deposit you would have to wait until next payday but I could be wrong.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4630.0,"score_ratio":3.25} {"post_id":"8h7vru","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.81,"history":"[ON, Canada] I ordered an item from amazon and they sent me 10 copies of it. I ordered RAM from amazon.ca and they sent me 10 copies of my order in the same box. What should I do? Can legal action be taken against me if I don't tell them? Thank you in advance.","c_root_id_A":"dyhpz6k","c_root_id_B":"dyhqpdz","created_at_utc_A":1525532516,"created_at_utc_B":1525533392,"score_A":8,"score_B":12,"human_ref_A":"You can get a prepaid label from the Amazon Online Returns Centre. Once you get the label, you can just ship the items back in the box they were sent in.","human_ref_B":"Phone them and ask. Amazon has great customer service, but will charge you in the future if they realize their mistake.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":876.0,"score_ratio":1.5} {"post_id":"72kjql","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Pittsburgh, PA] City is revoking street parking permits to tenants of the new building I moved into, since the building was barred from participation in parking program when it was built. The leasing agent told me there would be street parking. Options? I got a nice email yesterday from they city notifying me that I was one of the tenants who was incorrectly granted a parking permit, and that my permit would be cancelled in five weeks. He said that when the city approved the development of my building, it did so forbidding the building's participation in the parking program. However, the leasing agent told me in an email that there **would** be street parking. Virtually everywhere requires a residential parking permit, and it is very unusual for a resident to be unable to purchase a permit to park on their own street. (This makes me think that even if the leasing agent did not tell me there would be street parking, he would have had a responsibility to tell me that our building was the only to be barred from using the surrounding residential parking area.) Is there anything I can do about this? Parking has a big influence on rent and property values. Do I have a legal right to be compensated? The apartment building sells expensive private parking spots.","c_root_id_A":"dnj5w4g","c_root_id_B":"dnj63sv","created_at_utc_A":1506435379,"created_at_utc_B":1506435627,"score_A":2,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"Did the leasing agent specify where the street parking would be? Proximity to the building? Did any such language make it into the lease?","human_ref_B":"Does your lease promise you a space, or no? In general, the leasing agent can't promise you a street spot, as the street is public property.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":248.0,"score_ratio":24.5} {"post_id":"72kjql","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.93,"history":"[Pittsburgh, PA] City is revoking street parking permits to tenants of the new building I moved into, since the building was barred from participation in parking program when it was built. The leasing agent told me there would be street parking. Options? I got a nice email yesterday from they city notifying me that I was one of the tenants who was incorrectly granted a parking permit, and that my permit would be cancelled in five weeks. He said that when the city approved the development of my building, it did so forbidding the building's participation in the parking program. However, the leasing agent told me in an email that there **would** be street parking. Virtually everywhere requires a residential parking permit, and it is very unusual for a resident to be unable to purchase a permit to park on their own street. (This makes me think that even if the leasing agent did not tell me there would be street parking, he would have had a responsibility to tell me that our building was the only to be barred from using the surrounding residential parking area.) Is there anything I can do about this? Parking has a big influence on rent and property values. Do I have a legal right to be compensated? The apartment building sells expensive private parking spots.","c_root_id_A":"dnj5w4g","c_root_id_B":"dnjikbg","created_at_utc_A":1506435379,"created_at_utc_B":1506448752,"score_A":2,"score_B":13,"human_ref_A":"Did the leasing agent specify where the street parking would be? Proximity to the building? Did any such language make it into the lease?","human_ref_B":"I lived in a place that had the same situation. After I moved in I tried to get a parking permit from the city and they said that the landlord was required to state in the lease that this property wasn't eligible for a parking permit. You could try to get the landlord to pay for off site parking if you really think you have a case against them. I also found out that I could petition the city's traffic engineer to evaluate if our property should be part of the parking permit program, but that sounded like a lot of work.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":13373.0,"score_ratio":6.5} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im411da","c_root_id_B":"im4f6k7","created_at_utc_A":1661681506,"created_at_utc_B":1661691365,"score_A":446,"score_B":2228,"human_ref_A":"If the dad is not providing a safe home (drunk, no money for food, etc), call child protective services.","human_ref_B":"Shocked no one has mentioned this, but at least in my state, it absolutely can go into a trust. I\u2019m in Texas, and natural guardians are NOT automatically custodians for the kid\u2019s inheritance. The money is typically required to a court appointed guardian of the estate or a court created trust.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":9859.0,"score_ratio":4.9955156951} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4f6k7","c_root_id_B":"im4788c","created_at_utc_A":1661691365,"created_at_utc_B":1661686389,"score_A":2228,"score_B":342,"human_ref_A":"Shocked no one has mentioned this, but at least in my state, it absolutely can go into a trust. I\u2019m in Texas, and natural guardians are NOT automatically custodians for the kid\u2019s inheritance. The money is typically required to a court appointed guardian of the estate or a court created trust.","human_ref_B":"It doesn't matter that you're executor of the estate. This account is going to pass outside of probate to the kid, and then the father will have full access to the funds. The brokerage just needs their contact info, but otherwise you're not involved from their standpoint. I would look at the recommendations here that ensure the child is in a good home, or even challenge the father's guardianship. That's the only way to protect the money. So long as he's guardian, he's going to have access.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4976.0,"score_ratio":6.514619883} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4514p","c_root_id_B":"im4f6k7","created_at_utc_A":1661684773,"created_at_utc_B":1661691365,"score_A":86,"score_B":2228,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. It's traumatizing to be left with his father too, but at least if he gets taken out of his father's custody he has a chance to have a better life. You should call CPS and (if you're willing) petition for custody.","human_ref_B":"Shocked no one has mentioned this, but at least in my state, it absolutely can go into a trust. I\u2019m in Texas, and natural guardians are NOT automatically custodians for the kid\u2019s inheritance. The money is typically required to a court appointed guardian of the estate or a court created trust.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6592.0,"score_ratio":25.9069767442} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4f6k7","c_root_id_B":"im4bbd0","created_at_utc_A":1661691365,"created_at_utc_B":1661689086,"score_A":2228,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Shocked no one has mentioned this, but at least in my state, it absolutely can go into a trust. I\u2019m in Texas, and natural guardians are NOT automatically custodians for the kid\u2019s inheritance. The money is typically required to a court appointed guardian of the estate or a court created trust.","human_ref_B":"Could it be placed into a trust fund? Surely if it is now solely your nephews inheritance\/name on the documents, as he is a minor, it should\/could go into a trust fund? I'm not in any way legally minded, it's just a thought that this would be the ideal solution?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2279.0,"score_ratio":159.1428571429} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4514p","c_root_id_B":"im4788c","created_at_utc_A":1661684773,"created_at_utc_B":1661686389,"score_A":86,"score_B":342,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. It's traumatizing to be left with his father too, but at least if he gets taken out of his father's custody he has a chance to have a better life. You should call CPS and (if you're willing) petition for custody.","human_ref_B":"It doesn't matter that you're executor of the estate. This account is going to pass outside of probate to the kid, and then the father will have full access to the funds. The brokerage just needs their contact info, but otherwise you're not involved from their standpoint. I would look at the recommendations here that ensure the child is in a good home, or even challenge the father's guardianship. That's the only way to protect the money. So long as he's guardian, he's going to have access.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":1616.0,"score_ratio":3.976744186} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4q36u","c_root_id_B":"im4qwo1","created_at_utc_A":1661696746,"created_at_utc_B":1661697108,"score_A":94,"score_B":123,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. Do whatever you can do to have it put in a trust. DO NOT have the father put on the trust at all. My sister set up trusts for her 3 kids for college funds when she inherited some trust money from my grandparents. Her husband was not there at the time she set them up and she asked if she should have her husband as part of the trust as well. They told her there is no way to predict the future and if she wants total control to not put him on there. A decade later they got divorced and her ex tried going straight for the trust funds in court. The court told him to fuck off (in a nicer way).","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m an attorney but not in either state involved in this. In my state, unless the asset is specifically left to a \u201ccustodian\u201d (which is usually covered by the Uniform Transfers to Minors Act which many states have adopted), then a guardian (may be called conservator where you live) has to be appointed over the minor\u2019s estate. That person has to be bonded (this is my state but I would guess most states require this). Someone with bad credit, no assets, no income cannot be bonded. This may be one way to keep dad out of it. Also, if the account is going to be a custodial account, check the state law about that where your nephew lives. It may not be possible for the custodian to make withdrawals from the account and you may find a provision that allows you to bypass the father as custodian.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":362.0,"score_ratio":1.3085106383} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4qwo1","c_root_id_B":"im4514p","created_at_utc_A":1661697108,"created_at_utc_B":1661684773,"score_A":123,"score_B":86,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m an attorney but not in either state involved in this. In my state, unless the asset is specifically left to a \u201ccustodian\u201d (which is usually covered by the Uniform Transfers to Minors Act which many states have adopted), then a guardian (may be called conservator where you live) has to be appointed over the minor\u2019s estate. That person has to be bonded (this is my state but I would guess most states require this). Someone with bad credit, no assets, no income cannot be bonded. This may be one way to keep dad out of it. Also, if the account is going to be a custodial account, check the state law about that where your nephew lives. It may not be possible for the custodian to make withdrawals from the account and you may find a provision that allows you to bypass the father as custodian.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer. It's traumatizing to be left with his father too, but at least if he gets taken out of his father's custody he has a chance to have a better life. You should call CPS and (if you're willing) petition for custody.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12335.0,"score_ratio":1.4302325581} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4iq0g","c_root_id_B":"im4qwo1","created_at_utc_A":1661693204,"created_at_utc_B":1661697108,"score_A":49,"score_B":123,"human_ref_A":"This is a lawyer situation. Additionally, your nephew may be eligible for social security survivor\u2019s benefits. Check into that.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m an attorney but not in either state involved in this. In my state, unless the asset is specifically left to a \u201ccustodian\u201d (which is usually covered by the Uniform Transfers to Minors Act which many states have adopted), then a guardian (may be called conservator where you live) has to be appointed over the minor\u2019s estate. That person has to be bonded (this is my state but I would guess most states require this). Someone with bad credit, no assets, no income cannot be bonded. This may be one way to keep dad out of it. Also, if the account is going to be a custodial account, check the state law about that where your nephew lives. It may not be possible for the custodian to make withdrawals from the account and you may find a provision that allows you to bypass the father as custodian.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3904.0,"score_ratio":2.5102040816} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4goie","c_root_id_B":"im4qwo1","created_at_utc_A":1661692166,"created_at_utc_B":1661697108,"score_A":34,"score_B":123,"human_ref_A":"Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. This could be a way for you to set up a trust or account in a way that would most benefit your nephew. What specifics did he set forth? You may want to contact a lawyer for consultation, as executor would you be able to set up a trust or other account that would be in line with your fathers will instead of simply handing over the money to the father.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m an attorney but not in either state involved in this. In my state, unless the asset is specifically left to a \u201ccustodian\u201d (which is usually covered by the Uniform Transfers to Minors Act which many states have adopted), then a guardian (may be called conservator where you live) has to be appointed over the minor\u2019s estate. That person has to be bonded (this is my state but I would guess most states require this). Someone with bad credit, no assets, no income cannot be bonded. This may be one way to keep dad out of it. Also, if the account is going to be a custodial account, check the state law about that where your nephew lives. It may not be possible for the custodian to make withdrawals from the account and you may find a provision that allows you to bypass the father as custodian.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4942.0,"score_ratio":3.6176470588} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4qwo1","c_root_id_B":"im4bbd0","created_at_utc_A":1661697108,"created_at_utc_B":1661689086,"score_A":123,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m an attorney but not in either state involved in this. In my state, unless the asset is specifically left to a \u201ccustodian\u201d (which is usually covered by the Uniform Transfers to Minors Act which many states have adopted), then a guardian (may be called conservator where you live) has to be appointed over the minor\u2019s estate. That person has to be bonded (this is my state but I would guess most states require this). Someone with bad credit, no assets, no income cannot be bonded. This may be one way to keep dad out of it. Also, if the account is going to be a custodial account, check the state law about that where your nephew lives. It may not be possible for the custodian to make withdrawals from the account and you may find a provision that allows you to bypass the father as custodian.","human_ref_B":"Could it be placed into a trust fund? Surely if it is now solely your nephews inheritance\/name on the documents, as he is a minor, it should\/could go into a trust fund? I'm not in any way legally minded, it's just a thought that this would be the ideal solution?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":8022.0,"score_ratio":8.7857142857} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4514p","c_root_id_B":"im4q36u","created_at_utc_A":1661684773,"created_at_utc_B":1661696746,"score_A":86,"score_B":94,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. It's traumatizing to be left with his father too, but at least if he gets taken out of his father's custody he has a chance to have a better life. You should call CPS and (if you're willing) petition for custody.","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer. Do whatever you can do to have it put in a trust. DO NOT have the father put on the trust at all. My sister set up trusts for her 3 kids for college funds when she inherited some trust money from my grandparents. Her husband was not there at the time she set them up and she asked if she should have her husband as part of the trust as well. They told her there is no way to predict the future and if she wants total control to not put him on there. A decade later they got divorced and her ex tried going straight for the trust funds in court. The court told him to fuck off (in a nicer way).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11973.0,"score_ratio":1.0930232558} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4q36u","c_root_id_B":"im4iq0g","created_at_utc_A":1661696746,"created_at_utc_B":1661693204,"score_A":94,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. Do whatever you can do to have it put in a trust. DO NOT have the father put on the trust at all. My sister set up trusts for her 3 kids for college funds when she inherited some trust money from my grandparents. Her husband was not there at the time she set them up and she asked if she should have her husband as part of the trust as well. They told her there is no way to predict the future and if she wants total control to not put him on there. A decade later they got divorced and her ex tried going straight for the trust funds in court. The court told him to fuck off (in a nicer way).","human_ref_B":"This is a lawyer situation. Additionally, your nephew may be eligible for social security survivor\u2019s benefits. Check into that.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":3542.0,"score_ratio":1.9183673469} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4q36u","c_root_id_B":"im4goie","created_at_utc_A":1661696746,"created_at_utc_B":1661692166,"score_A":94,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"Not a lawyer. Do whatever you can do to have it put in a trust. DO NOT have the father put on the trust at all. My sister set up trusts for her 3 kids for college funds when she inherited some trust money from my grandparents. Her husband was not there at the time she set them up and she asked if she should have her husband as part of the trust as well. They told her there is no way to predict the future and if she wants total control to not put him on there. A decade later they got divorced and her ex tried going straight for the trust funds in court. The court told him to fuck off (in a nicer way).","human_ref_B":"Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. This could be a way for you to set up a trust or account in a way that would most benefit your nephew. What specifics did he set forth? You may want to contact a lawyer for consultation, as executor would you be able to set up a trust or other account that would be in line with your fathers will instead of simply handing over the money to the father.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":4580.0,"score_ratio":2.7647058824} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4bbd0","c_root_id_B":"im4q36u","created_at_utc_A":1661689086,"created_at_utc_B":1661696746,"score_A":14,"score_B":94,"human_ref_A":"Could it be placed into a trust fund? Surely if it is now solely your nephews inheritance\/name on the documents, as he is a minor, it should\/could go into a trust fund? I'm not in any way legally minded, it's just a thought that this would be the ideal solution?","human_ref_B":"Not a lawyer. Do whatever you can do to have it put in a trust. DO NOT have the father put on the trust at all. My sister set up trusts for her 3 kids for college funds when she inherited some trust money from my grandparents. Her husband was not there at the time she set them up and she asked if she should have her husband as part of the trust as well. They told her there is no way to predict the future and if she wants total control to not put him on there. A decade later they got divorced and her ex tried going straight for the trust funds in court. The court told him to fuck off (in a nicer way).","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7660.0,"score_ratio":6.7142857143} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4iq0g","c_root_id_B":"im4goie","created_at_utc_A":1661693204,"created_at_utc_B":1661692166,"score_A":49,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"This is a lawyer situation. Additionally, your nephew may be eligible for social security survivor\u2019s benefits. Check into that.","human_ref_B":"Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. This could be a way for you to set up a trust or account in a way that would most benefit your nephew. What specifics did he set forth? You may want to contact a lawyer for consultation, as executor would you be able to set up a trust or other account that would be in line with your fathers will instead of simply handing over the money to the father.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":1038.0,"score_ratio":1.4411764706} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4bbd0","c_root_id_B":"im4iq0g","created_at_utc_A":1661689086,"created_at_utc_B":1661693204,"score_A":14,"score_B":49,"human_ref_A":"Could it be placed into a trust fund? Surely if it is now solely your nephews inheritance\/name on the documents, as he is a minor, it should\/could go into a trust fund? I'm not in any way legally minded, it's just a thought that this would be the ideal solution?","human_ref_B":"This is a lawyer situation. Additionally, your nephew may be eligible for social security survivor\u2019s benefits. Check into that.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":4118.0,"score_ratio":3.5} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4bbd0","c_root_id_B":"im4goie","created_at_utc_A":1661689086,"created_at_utc_B":1661692166,"score_A":14,"score_B":34,"human_ref_A":"Could it be placed into a trust fund? Surely if it is now solely your nephews inheritance\/name on the documents, as he is a minor, it should\/could go into a trust fund? I'm not in any way legally minded, it's just a thought that this would be the ideal solution?","human_ref_B":"Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. This could be a way for you to set up a trust or account in a way that would most benefit your nephew. What specifics did he set forth? You may want to contact a lawyer for consultation, as executor would you be able to set up a trust or other account that would be in line with your fathers will instead of simply handing over the money to the father.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":3080.0,"score_ratio":2.4285714286} {"post_id":"wzrbkh","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"My 8yo nephew is about to receive a $375K inheritance. How do I prevent his POS dad from becoming custodian? Before I start: We live in ND, but my nephew and his dad live in Spokane WA. After my sister passed away two years ago my dad replaced her as 50% primary beneficiary on his retirement account with her 8yo son. Sadly, my dad passed away several weeks ago, and never set up a trust or custodial account to manage the inheritance for my minor nephew (it's about $375K). As the other beneficiary, the retirement firm has tasked me to contact them so my nephews dad had no idea yet. Tragically he's deadbeat, a drug addict and convicted thief. He has always been dependent on my dad and I send money to feed my nephew while wasting any income and gov assistance money on weed and booze. My concern is that as legal guardian, he will be appointed de facto custodian of his sons inheritance and it will be squandered or stolen long before my nephew is eligible to receive it. Not sure if it matters: I am executor of my fathers will and was his POA before he passed. He was specific about how he wanted these assets to be managed for my nephew until he got them. Is there any recourse to petition the WA probate or family court to appoint myself, or some impartial third party, as custodian? Thank you!","c_root_id_A":"im4wxif","c_root_id_B":"im4bbd0","created_at_utc_A":1661699655,"created_at_utc_B":1661689086,"score_A":20,"score_B":14,"human_ref_A":"Reading these replies, no one here is an attorney. You need to talk to an attorney ASAP (like, start making calls tomorrow morning) and see how creative you can get here. Reddit is not the place for problems like this.","human_ref_B":"Could it be placed into a trust fund? Surely if it is now solely your nephews inheritance\/name on the documents, as he is a minor, it should\/could go into a trust fund? I'm not in any way legally minded, it's just a thought that this would be the ideal solution?","labels":1,"seconds_difference":10569.0,"score_ratio":1.4285714286} {"post_id":"suaog4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"I found out my roommates have not paid rent in months and now being threatened with eviction. (Brooklyn, New York) I live with three roommates (my two brothers and one of my brothers girlfriends). Our rent is $2700 a month and we agreed to split it $675 each a month. The rent is paid directly to the landlord via direct deposit. I just found out today via text that the rent hasn\u2019t been completely paid in months and that it is behind by $8000. I was informed that unless it is paid in full an eviction would be put in for all of us in three months. I have never missed a payment on the rent and I wasn\u2019t aware that it was even behind. My roommates don\u2019t care and don\u2019t mind the eviction just going through. Is there anyway I can get out of this situation?","c_root_id_A":"hxa72tg","c_root_id_B":"hxawkrc","created_at_utc_A":1645084175,"created_at_utc_B":1645102872,"score_A":132,"score_B":179,"human_ref_A":"So each of your rent payments goes directly to the landlord? As in, he gets (or should get) 4 separate payments every month? If that's the case, talk to your landlord. If he knows that you have paid your portion on time every month, he may be willing to not pursue legal action against you, just the other three.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a landlord-tenant attorney in NYS, I\u2019m not your attorney. Rent responsibilities are considered a joint and severable liability. That means you are all of you responsible for the rent. Unless there\u2019s a lease agreement that explicitly outlines each of your rental obligations and limits evictions based on that, you are all responsible. Your remedies are limited. Pay the back balance and then sue your friends in small claims for their portion of the rent (although upstate small claims jurisdiction is limited to 5K I\u2019m not sure if the jurisdiction limit is more in the city) Or you move, and sue in small claims when a judgment is levied against you. You can also attempt to negotiate with the landlord to make any money judgement not include you, but that may be difficult as the general rule is you evict all members of the household and get a possessory and money judgment for all members of the household. You\u2019re kind of screwed in this situation, and it sucks, and I\u2019m sorry. Edit: I want to also include that you should speak to an attorney, you MAY have a defense in the doctrine of latches, which essentially says \u201chey if you don\u2019t assert your rights to some obligation in a timely manner then you can\u2019t assert them ever.\u201d Typically this is something that applies when a landlord intentionally doesn\u2019t inform people of rental arrears until they get to an unmanageable amount, you may have this defense available to you since you didn\u2019t receive any notification of the rental arrears, but you may find it difficult to assert this defense as there are many elements of it that need to be met, and additionally since NY had substantial moratorium protections, a court may say that \u201cwell the landlord is excused from not informing you on this as he wouldn\u2019t have been able to evict due to the moratorium anyway\u201d In short \u2014 speak to an attorney, but as a practicing LL\/T attorney in NYS I don\u2019t feel confident in your ability to defeat this in anyway. But it never hurts to consult with counsel.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":18697.0,"score_ratio":1.3560606061} {"post_id":"suaog4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"I found out my roommates have not paid rent in months and now being threatened with eviction. (Brooklyn, New York) I live with three roommates (my two brothers and one of my brothers girlfriends). Our rent is $2700 a month and we agreed to split it $675 each a month. The rent is paid directly to the landlord via direct deposit. I just found out today via text that the rent hasn\u2019t been completely paid in months and that it is behind by $8000. I was informed that unless it is paid in full an eviction would be put in for all of us in three months. I have never missed a payment on the rent and I wasn\u2019t aware that it was even behind. My roommates don\u2019t care and don\u2019t mind the eviction just going through. Is there anyway I can get out of this situation?","c_root_id_A":"hxawkrc","c_root_id_B":"hxa36nx","created_at_utc_A":1645102872,"created_at_utc_B":1645081231,"score_A":179,"score_B":91,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a landlord-tenant attorney in NYS, I\u2019m not your attorney. Rent responsibilities are considered a joint and severable liability. That means you are all of you responsible for the rent. Unless there\u2019s a lease agreement that explicitly outlines each of your rental obligations and limits evictions based on that, you are all responsible. Your remedies are limited. Pay the back balance and then sue your friends in small claims for their portion of the rent (although upstate small claims jurisdiction is limited to 5K I\u2019m not sure if the jurisdiction limit is more in the city) Or you move, and sue in small claims when a judgment is levied against you. You can also attempt to negotiate with the landlord to make any money judgement not include you, but that may be difficult as the general rule is you evict all members of the household and get a possessory and money judgment for all members of the household. You\u2019re kind of screwed in this situation, and it sucks, and I\u2019m sorry. Edit: I want to also include that you should speak to an attorney, you MAY have a defense in the doctrine of latches, which essentially says \u201chey if you don\u2019t assert your rights to some obligation in a timely manner then you can\u2019t assert them ever.\u201d Typically this is something that applies when a landlord intentionally doesn\u2019t inform people of rental arrears until they get to an unmanageable amount, you may have this defense available to you since you didn\u2019t receive any notification of the rental arrears, but you may find it difficult to assert this defense as there are many elements of it that need to be met, and additionally since NY had substantial moratorium protections, a court may say that \u201cwell the landlord is excused from not informing you on this as he wouldn\u2019t have been able to evict due to the moratorium anyway\u201d In short \u2014 speak to an attorney, but as a practicing LL\/T attorney in NYS I don\u2019t feel confident in your ability to defeat this in anyway. But it never hurts to consult with counsel.","human_ref_B":"How did it take the landlord this long to make contact? Most would call within a week of only receiving part of the rent - let alone only 1\/3 of it. Has he only been reaching out to the other roommates? If so, you *may* be able to challenge an eviction if he didn't notify all of the tenants there was an issue, since you're all equally responsible for the full rent. To exclude you from communication because you'd paid \"your share\" could be argued that he'd accepted that you weren't responsible for the full rent - only the portion he'd received from you and thus didn't contact you because you were not in arrears. Different things work in different jurisdictions, so I can't say about NY, but it may be worth running by an attorney if you know one. You may also have an argument about why he failed to communicate for months, at all, with anyone, if it wasn't just you not being notified.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":21641.0,"score_ratio":1.967032967} {"post_id":"suaog4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"I found out my roommates have not paid rent in months and now being threatened with eviction. (Brooklyn, New York) I live with three roommates (my two brothers and one of my brothers girlfriends). Our rent is $2700 a month and we agreed to split it $675 each a month. The rent is paid directly to the landlord via direct deposit. I just found out today via text that the rent hasn\u2019t been completely paid in months and that it is behind by $8000. I was informed that unless it is paid in full an eviction would be put in for all of us in three months. I have never missed a payment on the rent and I wasn\u2019t aware that it was even behind. My roommates don\u2019t care and don\u2019t mind the eviction just going through. Is there anyway I can get out of this situation?","c_root_id_A":"hx9ijaa","c_root_id_B":"hxawkrc","created_at_utc_A":1645068604,"created_at_utc_B":1645102872,"score_A":84,"score_B":179,"human_ref_A":"If you are all on the same lease, you may be able to negotiate with the landlord. If you all agree to leave and then do so, it's likely that the landlord would be satisfied with that rather than going to the trouble and expense of an eviction, and you would not have try to find a future rental while having an eviction on record. If only you want to do this and the other tenants don't, plus you're all named on the same lease, I don't know if keeping yourself off the eviction by leaving in advance would be possible, but it might be worth consulting a lawyer about your options.","human_ref_B":"I\u2019m a landlord-tenant attorney in NYS, I\u2019m not your attorney. Rent responsibilities are considered a joint and severable liability. That means you are all of you responsible for the rent. Unless there\u2019s a lease agreement that explicitly outlines each of your rental obligations and limits evictions based on that, you are all responsible. Your remedies are limited. Pay the back balance and then sue your friends in small claims for their portion of the rent (although upstate small claims jurisdiction is limited to 5K I\u2019m not sure if the jurisdiction limit is more in the city) Or you move, and sue in small claims when a judgment is levied against you. You can also attempt to negotiate with the landlord to make any money judgement not include you, but that may be difficult as the general rule is you evict all members of the household and get a possessory and money judgment for all members of the household. You\u2019re kind of screwed in this situation, and it sucks, and I\u2019m sorry. Edit: I want to also include that you should speak to an attorney, you MAY have a defense in the doctrine of latches, which essentially says \u201chey if you don\u2019t assert your rights to some obligation in a timely manner then you can\u2019t assert them ever.\u201d Typically this is something that applies when a landlord intentionally doesn\u2019t inform people of rental arrears until they get to an unmanageable amount, you may have this defense available to you since you didn\u2019t receive any notification of the rental arrears, but you may find it difficult to assert this defense as there are many elements of it that need to be met, and additionally since NY had substantial moratorium protections, a court may say that \u201cwell the landlord is excused from not informing you on this as he wouldn\u2019t have been able to evict due to the moratorium anyway\u201d In short \u2014 speak to an attorney, but as a practicing LL\/T attorney in NYS I don\u2019t feel confident in your ability to defeat this in anyway. But it never hurts to consult with counsel.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":34268.0,"score_ratio":2.130952381} {"post_id":"suaog4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"I found out my roommates have not paid rent in months and now being threatened with eviction. (Brooklyn, New York) I live with three roommates (my two brothers and one of my brothers girlfriends). Our rent is $2700 a month and we agreed to split it $675 each a month. The rent is paid directly to the landlord via direct deposit. I just found out today via text that the rent hasn\u2019t been completely paid in months and that it is behind by $8000. I was informed that unless it is paid in full an eviction would be put in for all of us in three months. I have never missed a payment on the rent and I wasn\u2019t aware that it was even behind. My roommates don\u2019t care and don\u2019t mind the eviction just going through. Is there anyway I can get out of this situation?","c_root_id_A":"hxawkrc","c_root_id_B":"hx9te4e","created_at_utc_A":1645102872,"created_at_utc_B":1645074915,"score_A":179,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a landlord-tenant attorney in NYS, I\u2019m not your attorney. Rent responsibilities are considered a joint and severable liability. That means you are all of you responsible for the rent. Unless there\u2019s a lease agreement that explicitly outlines each of your rental obligations and limits evictions based on that, you are all responsible. Your remedies are limited. Pay the back balance and then sue your friends in small claims for their portion of the rent (although upstate small claims jurisdiction is limited to 5K I\u2019m not sure if the jurisdiction limit is more in the city) Or you move, and sue in small claims when a judgment is levied against you. You can also attempt to negotiate with the landlord to make any money judgement not include you, but that may be difficult as the general rule is you evict all members of the household and get a possessory and money judgment for all members of the household. You\u2019re kind of screwed in this situation, and it sucks, and I\u2019m sorry. Edit: I want to also include that you should speak to an attorney, you MAY have a defense in the doctrine of latches, which essentially says \u201chey if you don\u2019t assert your rights to some obligation in a timely manner then you can\u2019t assert them ever.\u201d Typically this is something that applies when a landlord intentionally doesn\u2019t inform people of rental arrears until they get to an unmanageable amount, you may have this defense available to you since you didn\u2019t receive any notification of the rental arrears, but you may find it difficult to assert this defense as there are many elements of it that need to be met, and additionally since NY had substantial moratorium protections, a court may say that \u201cwell the landlord is excused from not informing you on this as he wouldn\u2019t have been able to evict due to the moratorium anyway\u201d In short \u2014 speak to an attorney, but as a practicing LL\/T attorney in NYS I don\u2019t feel confident in your ability to defeat this in anyway. But it never hurts to consult with counsel.","human_ref_B":"An old roommate did something similar. You can sue them, but that's about it. You are on the hook since you're the only one who cares about the eviction.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":27957.0,"score_ratio":5.59375} {"post_id":"suaog4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"I found out my roommates have not paid rent in months and now being threatened with eviction. (Brooklyn, New York) I live with three roommates (my two brothers and one of my brothers girlfriends). Our rent is $2700 a month and we agreed to split it $675 each a month. The rent is paid directly to the landlord via direct deposit. I just found out today via text that the rent hasn\u2019t been completely paid in months and that it is behind by $8000. I was informed that unless it is paid in full an eviction would be put in for all of us in three months. I have never missed a payment on the rent and I wasn\u2019t aware that it was even behind. My roommates don\u2019t care and don\u2019t mind the eviction just going through. Is there anyway I can get out of this situation?","c_root_id_A":"hxawkrc","c_root_id_B":"hxa71fa","created_at_utc_A":1645102872,"created_at_utc_B":1645084146,"score_A":179,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a landlord-tenant attorney in NYS, I\u2019m not your attorney. Rent responsibilities are considered a joint and severable liability. That means you are all of you responsible for the rent. Unless there\u2019s a lease agreement that explicitly outlines each of your rental obligations and limits evictions based on that, you are all responsible. Your remedies are limited. Pay the back balance and then sue your friends in small claims for their portion of the rent (although upstate small claims jurisdiction is limited to 5K I\u2019m not sure if the jurisdiction limit is more in the city) Or you move, and sue in small claims when a judgment is levied against you. You can also attempt to negotiate with the landlord to make any money judgement not include you, but that may be difficult as the general rule is you evict all members of the household and get a possessory and money judgment for all members of the household. You\u2019re kind of screwed in this situation, and it sucks, and I\u2019m sorry. Edit: I want to also include that you should speak to an attorney, you MAY have a defense in the doctrine of latches, which essentially says \u201chey if you don\u2019t assert your rights to some obligation in a timely manner then you can\u2019t assert them ever.\u201d Typically this is something that applies when a landlord intentionally doesn\u2019t inform people of rental arrears until they get to an unmanageable amount, you may have this defense available to you since you didn\u2019t receive any notification of the rental arrears, but you may find it difficult to assert this defense as there are many elements of it that need to be met, and additionally since NY had substantial moratorium protections, a court may say that \u201cwell the landlord is excused from not informing you on this as he wouldn\u2019t have been able to evict due to the moratorium anyway\u201d In short \u2014 speak to an attorney, but as a practicing LL\/T attorney in NYS I don\u2019t feel confident in your ability to defeat this in anyway. But it never hurts to consult with counsel.","human_ref_B":"As others have said, if you're all on the same lease you're jointly liable. However, if your lease says you're responsible \"jointly and severally\", the landlord has the *option* of going after all of you OR only going after the offending parties. If you've been paying your share via direct deposit, your landlord knows you've been paying your share and you may be able to personally work out an agreement with them. So it may be worth reviewing your lease and having a chat with the landlord. You have nothing to lose by approaching them and letting them know you had no idea your other roommates weren't paying. They may be compassionate and let you out of the lease without pursuing eviction.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":18726.0,"score_ratio":6.1724137931} {"post_id":"suaog4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"I found out my roommates have not paid rent in months and now being threatened with eviction. (Brooklyn, New York) I live with three roommates (my two brothers and one of my brothers girlfriends). Our rent is $2700 a month and we agreed to split it $675 each a month. The rent is paid directly to the landlord via direct deposit. I just found out today via text that the rent hasn\u2019t been completely paid in months and that it is behind by $8000. I was informed that unless it is paid in full an eviction would be put in for all of us in three months. I have never missed a payment on the rent and I wasn\u2019t aware that it was even behind. My roommates don\u2019t care and don\u2019t mind the eviction just going through. Is there anyway I can get out of this situation?","c_root_id_A":"hxawkrc","c_root_id_B":"hxahwv5","created_at_utc_A":1645102872,"created_at_utc_B":1645092881,"score_A":179,"score_B":5,"human_ref_A":"I\u2019m a landlord-tenant attorney in NYS, I\u2019m not your attorney. Rent responsibilities are considered a joint and severable liability. That means you are all of you responsible for the rent. Unless there\u2019s a lease agreement that explicitly outlines each of your rental obligations and limits evictions based on that, you are all responsible. Your remedies are limited. Pay the back balance and then sue your friends in small claims for their portion of the rent (although upstate small claims jurisdiction is limited to 5K I\u2019m not sure if the jurisdiction limit is more in the city) Or you move, and sue in small claims when a judgment is levied against you. You can also attempt to negotiate with the landlord to make any money judgement not include you, but that may be difficult as the general rule is you evict all members of the household and get a possessory and money judgment for all members of the household. You\u2019re kind of screwed in this situation, and it sucks, and I\u2019m sorry. Edit: I want to also include that you should speak to an attorney, you MAY have a defense in the doctrine of latches, which essentially says \u201chey if you don\u2019t assert your rights to some obligation in a timely manner then you can\u2019t assert them ever.\u201d Typically this is something that applies when a landlord intentionally doesn\u2019t inform people of rental arrears until they get to an unmanageable amount, you may have this defense available to you since you didn\u2019t receive any notification of the rental arrears, but you may find it difficult to assert this defense as there are many elements of it that need to be met, and additionally since NY had substantial moratorium protections, a court may say that \u201cwell the landlord is excused from not informing you on this as he wouldn\u2019t have been able to evict due to the moratorium anyway\u201d In short \u2014 speak to an attorney, but as a practicing LL\/T attorney in NYS I don\u2019t feel confident in your ability to defeat this in anyway. But it never hurts to consult with counsel.","human_ref_B":"Is your name on the lease? If not you can cut and run. If so then you are jointly liable with the other leasees for the late amount. Technically you can sue your brothers in small claims for whatever they owe if you were to cover their share. At this point the best thing to do is work with the landlord to keep an eviction off your record. Let him know that you paid your share on time and can move out asap.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9991.0,"score_ratio":35.8} {"post_id":"suaog4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"I found out my roommates have not paid rent in months and now being threatened with eviction. (Brooklyn, New York) I live with three roommates (my two brothers and one of my brothers girlfriends). Our rent is $2700 a month and we agreed to split it $675 each a month. The rent is paid directly to the landlord via direct deposit. I just found out today via text that the rent hasn\u2019t been completely paid in months and that it is behind by $8000. I was informed that unless it is paid in full an eviction would be put in for all of us in three months. I have never missed a payment on the rent and I wasn\u2019t aware that it was even behind. My roommates don\u2019t care and don\u2019t mind the eviction just going through. Is there anyway I can get out of this situation?","c_root_id_A":"hxa72tg","c_root_id_B":"hxa36nx","created_at_utc_A":1645084175,"created_at_utc_B":1645081231,"score_A":132,"score_B":91,"human_ref_A":"So each of your rent payments goes directly to the landlord? As in, he gets (or should get) 4 separate payments every month? If that's the case, talk to your landlord. If he knows that you have paid your portion on time every month, he may be willing to not pursue legal action against you, just the other three.","human_ref_B":"How did it take the landlord this long to make contact? Most would call within a week of only receiving part of the rent - let alone only 1\/3 of it. Has he only been reaching out to the other roommates? If so, you *may* be able to challenge an eviction if he didn't notify all of the tenants there was an issue, since you're all equally responsible for the full rent. To exclude you from communication because you'd paid \"your share\" could be argued that he'd accepted that you weren't responsible for the full rent - only the portion he'd received from you and thus didn't contact you because you were not in arrears. Different things work in different jurisdictions, so I can't say about NY, but it may be worth running by an attorney if you know one. You may also have an argument about why he failed to communicate for months, at all, with anyone, if it wasn't just you not being notified.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":2944.0,"score_ratio":1.4505494505} {"post_id":"suaog4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"I found out my roommates have not paid rent in months and now being threatened with eviction. (Brooklyn, New York) I live with three roommates (my two brothers and one of my brothers girlfriends). Our rent is $2700 a month and we agreed to split it $675 each a month. The rent is paid directly to the landlord via direct deposit. I just found out today via text that the rent hasn\u2019t been completely paid in months and that it is behind by $8000. I was informed that unless it is paid in full an eviction would be put in for all of us in three months. I have never missed a payment on the rent and I wasn\u2019t aware that it was even behind. My roommates don\u2019t care and don\u2019t mind the eviction just going through. Is there anyway I can get out of this situation?","c_root_id_A":"hxa72tg","c_root_id_B":"hx9ijaa","created_at_utc_A":1645084175,"created_at_utc_B":1645068604,"score_A":132,"score_B":84,"human_ref_A":"So each of your rent payments goes directly to the landlord? As in, he gets (or should get) 4 separate payments every month? If that's the case, talk to your landlord. If he knows that you have paid your portion on time every month, he may be willing to not pursue legal action against you, just the other three.","human_ref_B":"If you are all on the same lease, you may be able to negotiate with the landlord. If you all agree to leave and then do so, it's likely that the landlord would be satisfied with that rather than going to the trouble and expense of an eviction, and you would not have try to find a future rental while having an eviction on record. If only you want to do this and the other tenants don't, plus you're all named on the same lease, I don't know if keeping yourself off the eviction by leaving in advance would be possible, but it might be worth consulting a lawyer about your options.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":15571.0,"score_ratio":1.5714285714} {"post_id":"suaog4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"I found out my roommates have not paid rent in months and now being threatened with eviction. (Brooklyn, New York) I live with three roommates (my two brothers and one of my brothers girlfriends). Our rent is $2700 a month and we agreed to split it $675 each a month. The rent is paid directly to the landlord via direct deposit. I just found out today via text that the rent hasn\u2019t been completely paid in months and that it is behind by $8000. I was informed that unless it is paid in full an eviction would be put in for all of us in three months. I have never missed a payment on the rent and I wasn\u2019t aware that it was even behind. My roommates don\u2019t care and don\u2019t mind the eviction just going through. Is there anyway I can get out of this situation?","c_root_id_A":"hxa72tg","c_root_id_B":"hx9te4e","created_at_utc_A":1645084175,"created_at_utc_B":1645074915,"score_A":132,"score_B":32,"human_ref_A":"So each of your rent payments goes directly to the landlord? As in, he gets (or should get) 4 separate payments every month? If that's the case, talk to your landlord. If he knows that you have paid your portion on time every month, he may be willing to not pursue legal action against you, just the other three.","human_ref_B":"An old roommate did something similar. You can sue them, but that's about it. You are on the hook since you're the only one who cares about the eviction.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":9260.0,"score_ratio":4.125} {"post_id":"suaog4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"I found out my roommates have not paid rent in months and now being threatened with eviction. (Brooklyn, New York) I live with three roommates (my two brothers and one of my brothers girlfriends). Our rent is $2700 a month and we agreed to split it $675 each a month. The rent is paid directly to the landlord via direct deposit. I just found out today via text that the rent hasn\u2019t been completely paid in months and that it is behind by $8000. I was informed that unless it is paid in full an eviction would be put in for all of us in three months. I have never missed a payment on the rent and I wasn\u2019t aware that it was even behind. My roommates don\u2019t care and don\u2019t mind the eviction just going through. Is there anyway I can get out of this situation?","c_root_id_A":"hxa72tg","c_root_id_B":"hxa71fa","created_at_utc_A":1645084175,"created_at_utc_B":1645084146,"score_A":132,"score_B":29,"human_ref_A":"So each of your rent payments goes directly to the landlord? As in, he gets (or should get) 4 separate payments every month? If that's the case, talk to your landlord. If he knows that you have paid your portion on time every month, he may be willing to not pursue legal action against you, just the other three.","human_ref_B":"As others have said, if you're all on the same lease you're jointly liable. However, if your lease says you're responsible \"jointly and severally\", the landlord has the *option* of going after all of you OR only going after the offending parties. If you've been paying your share via direct deposit, your landlord knows you've been paying your share and you may be able to personally work out an agreement with them. So it may be worth reviewing your lease and having a chat with the landlord. You have nothing to lose by approaching them and letting them know you had no idea your other roommates weren't paying. They may be compassionate and let you out of the lease without pursuing eviction.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":29.0,"score_ratio":4.5517241379} {"post_id":"suaog4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"I found out my roommates have not paid rent in months and now being threatened with eviction. (Brooklyn, New York) I live with three roommates (my two brothers and one of my brothers girlfriends). Our rent is $2700 a month and we agreed to split it $675 each a month. The rent is paid directly to the landlord via direct deposit. I just found out today via text that the rent hasn\u2019t been completely paid in months and that it is behind by $8000. I was informed that unless it is paid in full an eviction would be put in for all of us in three months. I have never missed a payment on the rent and I wasn\u2019t aware that it was even behind. My roommates don\u2019t care and don\u2019t mind the eviction just going through. Is there anyway I can get out of this situation?","c_root_id_A":"hxa36nx","c_root_id_B":"hx9ijaa","created_at_utc_A":1645081231,"created_at_utc_B":1645068604,"score_A":91,"score_B":84,"human_ref_A":"How did it take the landlord this long to make contact? Most would call within a week of only receiving part of the rent - let alone only 1\/3 of it. Has he only been reaching out to the other roommates? If so, you *may* be able to challenge an eviction if he didn't notify all of the tenants there was an issue, since you're all equally responsible for the full rent. To exclude you from communication because you'd paid \"your share\" could be argued that he'd accepted that you weren't responsible for the full rent - only the portion he'd received from you and thus didn't contact you because you were not in arrears. Different things work in different jurisdictions, so I can't say about NY, but it may be worth running by an attorney if you know one. You may also have an argument about why he failed to communicate for months, at all, with anyone, if it wasn't just you not being notified.","human_ref_B":"If you are all on the same lease, you may be able to negotiate with the landlord. If you all agree to leave and then do so, it's likely that the landlord would be satisfied with that rather than going to the trouble and expense of an eviction, and you would not have try to find a future rental while having an eviction on record. If only you want to do this and the other tenants don't, plus you're all named on the same lease, I don't know if keeping yourself off the eviction by leaving in advance would be possible, but it might be worth consulting a lawyer about your options.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":12627.0,"score_ratio":1.0833333333} {"post_id":"suaog4","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.98,"history":"I found out my roommates have not paid rent in months and now being threatened with eviction. (Brooklyn, New York) I live with three roommates (my two brothers and one of my brothers girlfriends). Our rent is $2700 a month and we agreed to split it $675 each a month. The rent is paid directly to the landlord via direct deposit. I just found out today via text that the rent hasn\u2019t been completely paid in months and that it is behind by $8000. I was informed that unless it is paid in full an eviction would be put in for all of us in three months. I have never missed a payment on the rent and I wasn\u2019t aware that it was even behind. My roommates don\u2019t care and don\u2019t mind the eviction just going through. Is there anyway I can get out of this situation?","c_root_id_A":"hx9te4e","c_root_id_B":"hxa36nx","created_at_utc_A":1645074915,"created_at_utc_B":1645081231,"score_A":32,"score_B":91,"human_ref_A":"An old roommate did something similar. You can sue them, but that's about it. You are on the hook since you're the only one who cares about the eviction.","human_ref_B":"How did it take the landlord this long to make contact? Most would call within a week of only receiving part of the rent - let alone only 1\/3 of it. Has he only been reaching out to the other roommates? If so, you *may* be able to challenge an eviction if he didn't notify all of the tenants there was an issue, since you're all equally responsible for the full rent. To exclude you from communication because you'd paid \"your share\" could be argued that he'd accepted that you weren't responsible for the full rent - only the portion he'd received from you and thus didn't contact you because you were not in arrears. Different things work in different jurisdictions, so I can't say about NY, but it may be worth running by an attorney if you know one. You may also have an argument about why he failed to communicate for months, at all, with anyone, if it wasn't just you not being notified.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":6316.0,"score_ratio":2.84375} {"post_id":"3z8noc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"(California) My employer refuses to pay me for work I've done. They say I owe them for unreturned parts, but I've actually sent them. I live in a small town in north eastern CA and for the past year or so have done work as a independent contractor for this company that has sent me all over northern California and parts of Nevada doing warranty break-fix work for HP. The work has been fine, if unsteady, and I haven't had any issues with them till recently. About 3 months ago I seviced a location for them in Chico CA and after picking up the parts from the UPS location I went to the site. Even though I arrived within my ETA the customer had already left for the day. I called this in as required and was told that it would be rescheduled. A few days later I was redispatched to the site. I get there fix the machines and leave. I ship back the defective parts with the correct \"Defective\" shipping label within the alloted time frame. About four or five days later I start getting calls and emails inquiring about some missing parts. As it turns out when the work order got reissued they shipped out a new set of parts and failed to tell me about them. I email the customer at the site asking about the parts and he replys saying that he shipped them all back with the \"Good, Unused\" shipping label supplied with the part. I explain all this to my company but they insist on charging me for all the parts. According to them I shipped back the first batch of parts with the incorect label and that I havent sent back any of the second batch at all. In their opinion I should have not used the first set of parts and should have sent them back with the \"Good, Unused\" shipping label. And thus they are charging me about $3700, which coincidently is just over the $3600 they owe me for all the work Ive done. Ive explained this to them repeatedly in emails but they keep on saying \"you used the wrong labels on these parts and didnt ship these other parts back so we are charging you for all of it\". And no matter what they refuse to change their tune. Also for some mysterious reason the parts department does not have a publicly posted phone number. I wonder why? Well not really, when they decide to screw you they dont want to have acknowledge your humanity by talking to you and possibly feel sorry about it and deal with you squarely. I think the only way to get my money from them is to take them to small claims court and sue. I would like to tack on punitive damages up to the $5000 limit as well. What my question is, is how do I go about sueing them? I know I'll have to go to the local court house and get the paperwork, and then file and serve them. But they are located in Louisianna. How do I go about doing this? Also I was thinking of telling them that I would sue them before fileing the paperwork in hopes that they would pay me without halving to go through the courts. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cyk4d1e","c_root_id_B":"cyk42ww","created_at_utc_A":1451800839,"created_at_utc_B":1451800245,"score_A":24,"score_B":2,"human_ref_A":"That's fine, you write down all the information on the small claims form to the best of your knowledge. Do you have the contractor agreement handy? I've had to review a lot of those in the past for newspaper delivery, package delivery etc. I've seen some pretty scummy provisions in those concerning damages and responsibility for inventory. You really need to review this to see if any terms apply to this situation. Have you kept receipts, tracking numbers, any records for those shipments? Can you get the customer to provide something in writing saying the same thing as they said before?","human_ref_B":"I would start with a wage claim. http:\/\/www.dir.ca.gov\/dlse\/howtofilewageclaim.htm","labels":1,"seconds_difference":594.0,"score_ratio":12.0} {"post_id":"3z8noc","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.92,"history":"(California) My employer refuses to pay me for work I've done. They say I owe them for unreturned parts, but I've actually sent them. I live in a small town in north eastern CA and for the past year or so have done work as a independent contractor for this company that has sent me all over northern California and parts of Nevada doing warranty break-fix work for HP. The work has been fine, if unsteady, and I haven't had any issues with them till recently. About 3 months ago I seviced a location for them in Chico CA and after picking up the parts from the UPS location I went to the site. Even though I arrived within my ETA the customer had already left for the day. I called this in as required and was told that it would be rescheduled. A few days later I was redispatched to the site. I get there fix the machines and leave. I ship back the defective parts with the correct \"Defective\" shipping label within the alloted time frame. About four or five days later I start getting calls and emails inquiring about some missing parts. As it turns out when the work order got reissued they shipped out a new set of parts and failed to tell me about them. I email the customer at the site asking about the parts and he replys saying that he shipped them all back with the \"Good, Unused\" shipping label supplied with the part. I explain all this to my company but they insist on charging me for all the parts. According to them I shipped back the first batch of parts with the incorect label and that I havent sent back any of the second batch at all. In their opinion I should have not used the first set of parts and should have sent them back with the \"Good, Unused\" shipping label. And thus they are charging me about $3700, which coincidently is just over the $3600 they owe me for all the work Ive done. Ive explained this to them repeatedly in emails but they keep on saying \"you used the wrong labels on these parts and didnt ship these other parts back so we are charging you for all of it\". And no matter what they refuse to change their tune. Also for some mysterious reason the parts department does not have a publicly posted phone number. I wonder why? Well not really, when they decide to screw you they dont want to have acknowledge your humanity by talking to you and possibly feel sorry about it and deal with you squarely. I think the only way to get my money from them is to take them to small claims court and sue. I would like to tack on punitive damages up to the $5000 limit as well. What my question is, is how do I go about sueing them? I know I'll have to go to the local court house and get the paperwork, and then file and serve them. But they are located in Louisianna. How do I go about doing this? Also I was thinking of telling them that I would sue them before fileing the paperwork in hopes that they would pay me without halving to go through the courts. Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.","c_root_id_A":"cyk42ww","c_root_id_B":"cyk82p8","created_at_utc_A":1451800245,"created_at_utc_B":1451811471,"score_A":2,"score_B":7,"human_ref_A":"I would start with a wage claim. http:\/\/www.dir.ca.gov\/dlse\/howtofilewageclaim.htm","human_ref_B":"This post reeks of Barrister Global Services, as this is pretty much their MO. If so, small claims court and seriously stop working for them. They're absolute scumbags.","labels":0,"seconds_difference":11226.0,"score_ratio":3.5} {"post_id":"styb5m","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What can I do about my neighbor screaming into my bedroom window every morning until they\u2019re evicted? (Ohio, US) A little over a week ago, my upstairs neighbor was having a loud conversation while leaning on my bedroom window. She was only maybe a foot away from my head as I was trying to sleep, so I popped my head out the door and asked (extremely nicely) if they could be a little quieter. She responded with serious volatility, so I just ducked back inside and called my landlord. No use arguing with crazy. Since then, she\u2019s retaliated by making as much noise as possible, including at 5am when she wakes up, every single day. The good news is that my landlord agrees that\u2019s not okay (I have been recording everything I can, so he can definitely see just how awful it is) and made the decision to remove her from this building yesterday. (Technically it\u2019s not an actual eviction, they\u2019re just moving her to another building without neighbors she can harass - but it\u2019s easier to say \u201ceviction\u201d in the title. Sorry for any confusion.) I believe they must have told her yesterday, too, because this morning, she sent her kid to scream at the top of his lungs directly at my bedroom window (again, a foot away from my sleeping head) at 8am for half an hour straight. The landlord has already taken action. She\u2019s going to be out of here soonish (I assume they\u2019re giving her a month?) but it\u2019s not soon enough if she\u2019s going to retaliate even worse until the day she\u2019s gone. What - if anything - can I do to finally get some sleep and feel safe at home?","c_root_id_A":"hx8hyok","c_root_id_B":"hx8yglq","created_at_utc_A":1645052251,"created_at_utc_B":1645059436,"score_A":20,"score_B":45,"human_ref_A":"Call the cops.","human_ref_B":"Call the cops. This would fall under disorderly conduct and if she wants to play games let her deal with them. You've done everything you can and so has your landlord. https:\/\/codes.ohio.gov\/ohio-revised-code\/section-2917.11","labels":0,"seconds_difference":7185.0,"score_ratio":2.25} {"post_id":"styb5m","domain":"legaladvice_validation","upvote_ratio":0.97,"history":"What can I do about my neighbor screaming into my bedroom window every morning until they\u2019re evicted? (Ohio, US) A little over a week ago, my upstairs neighbor was having a loud conversation while leaning on my bedroom window. She was only maybe a foot away from my head as I was trying to sleep, so I popped my head out the door and asked (extremely nicely) if they could be a little quieter. She responded with serious volatility, so I just ducked back inside and called my landlord. No use arguing with crazy. Since then, she\u2019s retaliated by making as much noise as possible, including at 5am when she wakes up, every single day. The good news is that my landlord agrees that\u2019s not okay (I have been recording everything I can, so he can definitely see just how awful it is) and made the decision to remove her from this building yesterday. (Technically it\u2019s not an actual eviction, they\u2019re just moving her to another building without neighbors she can harass - but it\u2019s easier to say \u201ceviction\u201d in the title. Sorry for any confusion.) I believe they must have told her yesterday, too, because this morning, she sent her kid to scream at the top of his lungs directly at my bedroom window (again, a foot away from my sleeping head) at 8am for half an hour straight. The landlord has already taken action. She\u2019s going to be out of here soonish (I assume they\u2019re giving her a month?) but it\u2019s not soon enough if she\u2019s going to retaliate even worse until the day she\u2019s gone. What - if anything - can I do to finally get some sleep and feel safe at home?","c_root_id_A":"hx9prxe","c_root_id_B":"hx8hyok","created_at_utc_A":1645072629,"created_at_utc_B":1645052251,"score_A":21,"score_B":20,"human_ref_A":"One possible solution I can think of is to offer to your landlord to be the one to move to another building, and say you would like to do it as fast as possible.","human_ref_B":"Call the cops.","labels":1,"seconds_difference":20378.0,"score_ratio":1.05}