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            "body": "This is actually close.\n\nThe Van Der Linde gang is a gang filled with a bunch of fit, highly competent outlaws who have been doing this for decades, they are also quite lucky considering the circumstances they end up in. \n\nThe Peaky Blinders gang is a gang filled with a bunch of highly competent war veterans who have been doing this for years, they are also considerably lucky.\n\nIn terms of who would win, I'd say the Peaky Blinders in a close obvious win.\n\nThe Peaky Blinders are on average fitter than the Van Der Linde gang, have better experience due to fighting in the deadliest war in history up to that point in the most terrible of conditions where death is literally raining from the sky 24/7 365 days a year and have far better weapons and more reliable weapons due to them existing 20+ years after the Van Der Linde gang disbanded, I mean they literally have portable machine guns. They are also better led, with Tommy Shelby being far smarter than Dutch.\n\nDespite this, the Van Der Linde gang does have an advantage that makes this close. They have dead eye. Because of this, they can negate many an advantage that the Peaky Blinders have. However, with the sheer volume of gunfire that would be heading their way, combined with the Peaky Blinders greater fighting experience and technology, the Van Der Linde gang would ultimately be cut down, though the Peaky Blinders would have significant casualties.\n\nEdit: another thing I don't think people realise is how many bullets would be sent down range by the Peaky Blinders. Across all canonical gunfights we see the Van Der Linde gang during the events of RDR2, I'd estimate that about 1500 to 3000 bullets were exchanged by all sides, the Peaky Blinders with 5 Lewis gunners would exceed that total in 30 seconds, likely less. \n\nThat volume of fire is unprecedented for the Van Der Linde gang, and they'd be used by war veterans who know how to use them in the most efficient and deadly way possible during the most inhospitable conditions, while also being able to both physically and mentally out maneuver the Van Der Linde gang.",
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            "body": "The gang easily lmao. Between John and Arthur, theyve killed over 100 men individually in gunfights. Theyre both excellent hand to hand combatants, even with knives. They are versed in ambush tactics, fighting on horseback, fighting in open terrains, in the jungle, in the swamps, in the mountains, in the desert. Theyve been fighting and killing their whole lives. Since they were 12-13. Did you motherfuckers play the game? We took on a small army in a tropical jungle while dying of tubercolosis and still came out on top. And lets not even get started on their marksmanship/ dead eye. To the people underestemating dead eye. Or calling it fictitious. Yall have no fucking idea what ypure talking about. I'll leave this here. \n \nhttps://youtu.be/Gx-2M1r-Sh8?si=_3Lu00b_ZkdW081V\n\n\nhttps://youtu.be/9JjIHj3zqbY?si=Pl2-1U8AnhIWhyIm\n\n\nhttps://youtu.be/lTyQ4jDb3f4?si=01g24Rdd4PojIE08\n\nThats the pesky blinders dead in under 2 seconds.",
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            "body": "Van der linde gang easy to medium difficulty win this, automatic weapons don\u2019t mean anything when they are dead before they can even aim their weapons. Yea the peaky blinders are probably more organized but deadeye( WHICH SHOWS HOW FAST THE GUNSLINGERS ARE) will drop em fast. Just search up deadeye in real time and see how fast someone gets killed. Solely based on the individual skill of the gang members gives them the win. Also depending on the VDL loadout the weapon disadvantage wont be too bad, mausers, semi auto shotguns, dynamite, e rounds, semi auto pistols, M1899 pistol etc. Back to the point of one team having superior fire power, does the gun type matter if they dead before they can fire it off be so fr. This does also depend on where the battle takes place, if its in close quarters vdl take it very easily, if its an urban environment then the odds are evened a bit. If its an open battlefield the blinders advantage go up. But i personally think the vdl got that fight IMO",
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            "body": "It's simply no contest. Peaky Blinders win easily because they have weaker writers who protect them with plot armour. Van Der Linde gang get trounced because they have writers that will let any one of them die no matter how important thet may be.",
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            "body": "Just depends on what the scenario are the going for an all out shootout peaky if they are going for surprises or little meetings where they plan to betray each other John and Arthurs quick draw would easily kill anyone in the room. Given that we put John and Arthur in the modern setting with modern weapons with more than 6 shots they would be extremely deadly. No being a ww1 vet does not put you over an outlaw in the Wild West they were not a one man army they fought in trenches it was dirty and yes they would be more equipped then a regular person but not a hardened outlaw that spends there off days killing 20 to 30 people in a camp or beating known QuickDraw outlaws or old civil war gangs or mafia gangs. It comes down to scenario of a big shootout where Dutch\u2019s gang just doesn\u2019t have the man power in one on ones or small groups where the fastest to there gun wins Dutch has it easily. That being said Tommy is miles away from Dutch but other then that and man power they are fucked in terms of pure skill in the arts of up close combat as demonstrated in both rdrs John Arthur micha Charles and even Dutch are cold blooded and fully capable of up close in your face killing with there hands and knives. So again scenario will be the deciding factor.",
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            "body": "I think this is important. Dutch got maneuvered by Colm, by the Greys, and then a third time by Bronte. Almost every time he got into a war of wits against a rival gang, he got handled. Then the gang's grit/violence resolved the issue for him. \n\nI love RDR2, but the Van Der Linde gang is not a successful criminal enterprise in the events of the game. They're declining quickly. I think Arthur and Charles could easily carry the day in pretty much any fight, but as a team, the whole group is already in trouble by the events of RDR2.",
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            "body": "Totally agree with this. Dutch has nothing on Tommy from a tactical standpoint, he inspires loyalty but so does Tommy. If everyone was absent plot armor, that advantage is huge.",
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            "body": "Even when outmaneuvered, they managed to survive and in some cases forced the oposing force to escape. What brought the gang to an end was a rat. The pinkertons knew that they would not be able to handle the gang so they had to resort on some sort of betrayal from inside. \n\nDutch may not be as good in strategy, but when in combat, his gang is basically unstopable. In Valentine they killed dozens of Cornwall's men while pushing a wagon, so that was basically just Arthur. In Strawberry Arthur and Micah managed to massacre the whole town by themselves. When in Rhodes, Arthur, Micah and Bill killed the whole town law enforcement. Arthur and Sadie broke John out of a prision island and left a huge body trail behind them. Also, even in the Pinkerton ambush at the swamp they managed to make them run away, same with the O'Driscoll attack at Shady Belle. The gang could not be stopped no matter how dumb they were. Arthur had to get TB to die, John chose to die so his family could be left alone. Dutch, Bill and Javier had to be stopped by one of the gang members. Not to mention all the survivors. The gang just can't be stopped in direct conflict.",
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            "body": "I don't mean to be a dick, and hope you take this in the spirit of genuine informativeness. Technically it's the British Army, not the Royal Army - the origins of the British Army are with the Parliamentarian forces in the Civil War",
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            "body": "ok i looked back, whats next?",
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            "body": "The gang was going to die off no matter what.\n\nThe only thing having a rat do is accelerate their downfall.\n\nMicah doesn't even become a turncoat until after Guarma.\n\nThe St. Denis bank robbery which killed two whole gang members and nearly killed a third happened BEFORE Guarma.\n\nLet's say there was no rat. OK. And? What you think Dutch's position would be any more tenable come chapter 6? Hosea's dead, Lenny's dead, Arthur is dying, John is captured, camp morale is at an all time low, much of their money is gone, and every law enforcement agency between St. Denis and Tumbleweed is after them. My God, he even starts pissing off the US Army for no discernable reason.\n\nHow long do you seriously think the gang would last? \n\nAnd as for sending John after Javier and Bill. The simplest explanation of that is laziness and jurisdiction. Ross didn't want to spend the time, money and resources to besiege Fort Mercer and Ross didn't have the jurisdiction to enter Mexico and apprehend a Mexican citizen.\n\nJohn and Arthur were capable fighters but Dutch was an abysmal leader whose success solely depended on John and Arthur. Arthur carries the whole gang for the whole game. I can count on one hand the amount of times Dutch personally joined the robberies he planned and ordered and more often than not, he was only of nominal help.",
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            "body": "Dead Eye is not an ability to stop time. Dead Eye is not a real ability that exists in the universe of Red Dead Redemption it's simply a gameplay feature to show they're both very quick on the draw. \n\nAs for the \"massacred a whole town and killed 60 men\" part those people all had the same slow to reload low mag size guns they had whereas the Peaky Blinders have semi automatic pistols and fully automatic high capacity machine guns",
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            "body": "too late. im dead and thanks to you dont even know who killed me :(\nso this is the famous dead eye",
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            "body": "Tommy wouldn't even be wasting time with armed robberies.\n\nWe never once see the Peaky Blinders engage in the sort of naked criminality that the Van Der Linde gang gets up to. If they do crimes, they do relatively low profile crimes with minimal risk and high payoffs. Stuff like smuggling, racketeering, extortion, etc.\n\nThey only go high profile when they need to. And their criminal activities are always done in the service of a more ambitious goal.\n\nDutch talks a vague game of robbing trains, stagecoaches and banks until they have enough money to... sail away to... somewhere I guess and buy land and sell mangoes, idk?\n\nYou know Dutch's plan was doomed when they literally end up in a tropical paradise away from America and nearly die within 2 hours of arriving there. \n\nTommy conversely leverages his criminal activities and the money they generate to create a sophisticated network of legitimate businesses, presumably to both launder his money and serve as a legitimate front and source of revenue for the Peaky Blinders. Instead of vaguely talking about buying land in French Polynesia, Tommy literally buys whole factories, racing horses, and import/export licenses. He sells automobiles at home and exports gin to the US during Prohibition. By the time season 5 rolls around, he is arguably one of the most wealthy, well connected and powerful men in the United Kingdom. \n\nIt's not even a comparison. Dutch dies sad, alone and freezing, fully deranged and reviled by society. Tommy becomes a full on Parliamentarian.\n\nGiven that we know by the way that Dutch had enough money saved up by 1907 to pay down a whole ass ranch, Dutch probably could have literally just bought Beechers Hope or something in 1899 and settled the gang there, becoming a legitimate and successful ranching business. Hell, I headcanon that that was what Hosea and Arthur were following up on.\n\nIn Dutch's position, Tommy would have eschewed brazen day time robberies for more loan sharking and hustles, in order to accumulate enough money to buy the gang a factory or something in St. Denis and built up full on criminal syndicate there to challenge and oust Bronte's Mafia.",
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            "body": "Not to mention even if Arthur and Hosea\u2019s plan got caught, it\u2019s a smaller crime compared to that dumb Ferry idea. It wouldn\u2019t draw heat",
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            "body": "It wouldn\u2019t have they would just keep coming especially after he killed that many marshals if he paired that with twenty more soldiers and Edgar Ross who\u2019s apart of the early FBI (BOI) they would hunt him and his family and put them in the grave. Vs that against giving them what they want which is John Marston dead by their hands. Plus John knew he had it coming (it also gave his family time to escape before they cot caught in Ross\u2019s wrath) so he wasn\u2019t going to hide or try and survive he was gonna take it head on and join the rest of the gang he never truly could escape.\n\nEdit: Edgar Ross is actually stated to be the director of the BOI on the RedDead Wiki so yeah they definitely wouldn\u2019t of let that shit slide.",
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            "body": "But that's something both Arthur and John do a lot, it's simply in the game and we have the story to back it up. But what the gang has managed to accomplish is in fact very absurd.\n\nFun fact. Arthut was killed by a disease and John CHOSE to die. Dutch, Bill and Javier had to be stopped by John. So no matter how many times they got themselves into unfavorable situations, they still managed to outlive that while leaving a massive body trail as a result. This is why the Pinkertons had to rely on some sort of deal with Molly or Micah in order to dismantle the gang. How many times the Pinkertons had the gang in their hand and still managed to get absolutely fucked? Psicologically they're a mess, but when it comes to killing and surviving there's no fair comparison to be made here.",
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            "body": "Fighting in a war is one thing, overcoming a 2vs50 is a whole other deal. They didn't break out of valentine (or massacred strawberry) with an army to back them up, it was just two or three guys against whole squads. We're talking about 3 peolpe surviving a direct conflict (in which they were caught off-guard) against an entire town law enforcement. They didn't escape, they killed everyone. The same with the Pinkerton ambush in the swamp, or the O'Driscoll attack in Shady Belle. So even in situations where they are in clear disadvantage they still managed to kill everyone without any losses (the exception being the bank heist and the Sean situation). They are extraordinary good at surviving and overcoming unfavorable situations. Put 2 or 3 of the Blinders against 50 armed men, what do you think would happen?\n\nEdit: I'd like to add the fact that they did all that in 1899, with the tools they had access to. With that kind of adaptability and shooting skill in a more modern age, they would absolutely destroy the blinders in direct combat. So they would have to rely on some sort of scheme, since they are all pretty simple minded folk and Micah is very willing to betray everyone.",
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            "body": "And you're right about that. Thing is, they faced every force they could. Other gangs, law enforcement, a private militia, and even the army. And yes, they are favored by the narrative, so this is why this isn't a fair comparison.  I don't think a bunch of real life outlaws from 1899 would overwhelm anyone, but the things i described are what we have in-game. I didn't made anything up, that's why i think it's not a fair comparison to begin with. A fictional 1899 gang composed of people who can win a 2 or 3 vs 50 (or more) is just absurd. And i'd like to add that they are not just gunslingers, they are very good at resource management too. Every person of the gang (even the women) has their own way of making the best out of their situation both in group and individually, let's not forget about that. Even lumbagoed Uncle managed to survive everything, so we have only the callendar brothers, Sean, Lenny and Hosea as losses that resulted from direct combat. All of the rest was a product of betrayal, disease or self-sacrifice.",
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