Congress as an opportunity you know this whole thing of Congress is understand Bharat you know it sounds fabulous for the BJP I'm you know that oh there's this catchy slogan and all I don't think the BJP was the congressman Congress is the congresses no that's a different thing I bet you maybe is being funded by BJ which Insider knowledge they would not want anything like you know sushant sarin used to say there is only one what do you mean he's still here he's alive yeah he used to say because the organization I'm talking about died used to say there is only one alphabet separating isi and Isis there is only one alphabet separating b j y and b j p b jatra I thought he's talking about yeah only y and p are different I'm telling you this is fully BJP funded okay BJP funded okay and I have seen all bubbles spend hours trying to figure out a good acronym s you couldn't figure out you know what and you know what


couldn't figure out you know what and you know what I know what they're talking about I've known okay tell me what about that they came up with a thing called a gandu yeah I picked it up the first and I I don't know where I said it right maybe it was on those days I used to be on Facebook when I said okay are they really serious and they also came up with Pakistan Institute of strategic status yeah this I got from Bangalore let me tell you I loved it it's such a pretty silk one so after I got it then my cousin noticed she said oh it's a Gucci design so I I said is it so yeah so I said no it's a gyachi I bought it because it was so pretty and only when she started she said Smitha what have you done your birthday perfume [Laughter] hermesis wife was carrying a goyard and I tweeted that and caring about a goyard bag which is a very super exclusive bag like the price range so


a very super exclusive bag like the price range so the Chanel is very obviously channel channel so Chanel is very obvious Louis Vuitton is very obviously so now being a samajwadi and you know you're carrying a goyard bag on the day of your swearing in soon how do you know it was not a knockoff no why would she have a knockoff see that's enough when mayawati used to carry a smart leather bag right but if a mahua or um used to actually carry it to give the empowerment messages exactly yeah it was it was done political yeah so those statues having the handbag is deliberate why not why not to motivate a crowd she would say manager handbag it was a message of financial impact what a joke it was right before the before it became Politically Incorrect to laugh about uh but about some things it wasn't something to laugh about like if you if a mayavati or anybody else for that matter for even from the BJP is to wear


that matter for even from the BJP is to wear diamond earrings you laugh but if a sophisticated Congress person is to wear diamond earrings [Music] across the road oh God yes that's another thing he's from Stevens and then jnu and then continue and then Cambridge yeah I was talking about my new house and how I'm doing it up and suddenly I don't know how the accent changes like Abby you know a true English gentleman only has wooden floors marble is meant to be for bathrooms that sounds like you know who I know right Lord no it sounds like a politician that we will not discuss about shall we yes the the flick yes but he's the chef but if you are to discuss shampoo then please discuss conditioner also Mr Simple they come as a pair shampoo and conditioner is which brand is this yeah exclusive yeah so if you want to Burkin again cost it can be anything between yeah 10 lakhs starting what to 30 40 likes depending on the skin


starting what to 30 40 likes depending on the skin [Music] but that's not the point foreign [Applause] so he she gets down carrying this book in bag and obviously you know like people noticed and Indian women politicians underdress as a rule we had sushma swaraj and we had all these things also she wears gorgeous sarees but you'll never find a dress also it's the sari that is gorgeous you never wear jewelry jewelry or even the handbags it's like the Indian politicians yeah so it's always underdressed whereas Pakistani women politicians are always dressed to the knives now she gets down carrying the uh bag and everybody talks about bhagavati bhagwati and things like that she comes down and she checks in into the hotel and we're a whole bunch of foreign betas to do foreign beat whole bunch of foreign beat journalists out there waiting to interview her she knows the Ruckus which her bag has created and she's wearing designer glasses everything so we


and she's wearing designer glasses everything so we go inside to interview one by one one by one we are we go inside to interview her and what do we see the Birkin has a a chair of its own yeah wow that's true and it's not just a chair it was a couch that's called yeah that's true I really said I had soft ladies wow that's true always have a will always have a chair or stool next to it huh that's a requirements it was pride of she did not see what happened yeah and then somebody obviously said a sent a message or whatever and it seemed like that we don't know what the truth is but she put it down firstly you don't put a Louis Vuitton on the floor right so she put it down and uh by the way they were pro-nazi with uh the family oh that's like saying BMW Volkswagen is all the German industrialists were pronouns yeah except for one who who helped the Nazi prisoners Escape he had


who helped the Nazi prisoners Escape he had a steel uh production uh tender except for one the rest all of them steel was all group group was the arch Nazi was one of them was a rival to crew let's talk about what was the statements is no no seriously this one this woman who told horribly corrupt right ten percent you know people have forgotten that Mr Ten Percent those who don't follow the book Fatima that's right on the father's murder when she became prime minister's daughter that's a different uh someone came and gifted ten thousand dollar Rolex and he accepted it's like you know it's not even something else he has taken stuff worth some couple of billion uh Pakistani Rupees yeah yeah and and some obscene amount and paid just a fraction of the money Imran Khan is the future of Pakistan no no I hope he is and you know don't do this again against the most upright honest politician who's the only who's the only spark of future that Pakistani


only who's the only spark of future that Pakistani looks like devil's advocate for beloved [Music] foreign the rumor back then and even later was that um Benazir realized asha's a liability she had kept him out because it was very clear in 2007 that she's coming back to Power she had kept him out he was not involved in any political decision making then she comes back she dies and he takes over the party he produces this will which you know was pulled out of thin air uh that this party I am going to inherit the party along with my son then who shot it also know that the Isis at that point of time he was on the phone with her and he went on telling because the sister the girl was watching uh the mother on TV yeah he told her because there are crowds outside so this is what the the reporters who were in Islamabad at that time covering benazir's Indian reporters who were in Islamabad covering benazi's return to uh it to Pakistan right she


benazi's return to uh it to Pakistan right she had a death wish I think you know she had this father fixation that you know this like the father there are many women politicians who have that I'm convinced of this so she she came back and there were many Indian journalists who were in Pakistan to cover that in event they had gone to the location where she was supposed to go right and there the the talk which all they are saying is this that that Benazir was inside and bhaktawar was watching and uh zardari supposed to have told the daughter tell Benazir to come out so it was that Toyota vehicle she came up and then the shot happens and she's supposed to have died because of that Toyota hatch you know that thing that hit her thing yeah at the back of her head and she died which is because there was a bottom blast also there was a blast but what was shocking was those of us who were watching it live when it was happening within minutes


watching it live when it was happening within minutes the blood everything was cleaned out who does that who cleans out all the evidence evidence and um joint venture something is not right boss when Pakistan nobody dies normally I think out there like nobody very clearly a strange country so imagine how scared beloved was but that doesn't uh explain why he's there and if my mother worked for the peace between India and Pakistan his mom wanted more what his mom was the one who said rebooked Rajiv Gandhi right initially remember yeah initially she worked out the peace deal with Rajiv Gandhi then siachen started and then she turned no no no yeah happened in 84. yeah yeah um Rajiv Gandhi met her in 89. you see he was an apostle of peace you want to blame Muslims for especially a brave Muslim woman you can't deal with the fact that a bridge listen she was no bloody Brave woman let me tell you a couple of things about her she was the most


a couple of things about her she was the most subservient to the Pakistan Army no she wasn't enough who has taken on the Pakistan Army directly frontally every time he's come into power yeah not his brother his brothers are told this uh this woman Benazir and her husband have been the most subservient as far as the Pakistan Army is concerned they are the most pro-establishment people even now one of the reasons why bilawal is saying what he's saying is apparently because the Pakistan Army is now changing its policy and wants to get back into those okay so now the Punjabi versus Hindi he likes nawashi do you remember no no I don't like no yeah yeah I don't like nawashri is Punjabi so he's going to support the punjabis but you see what he doesn't understand is that zadari [Music] they were so skilled at manipulating the army that you thought they were going no no no when in fact they were taking on I don't think


when in fact they were taking on I don't think is manipulating the Army at any stage no no she was a responsible pakistanis have a very low sense of respect for people who look a particular manner in politics it doesn't matter what a person looks like so nawashari was forever trolled for that though he had that is one small minuscule no she'll still get elected yeah you understood but Amaya anybody who looks like a mayawati or a Lalu will not get elected this is the land of Gandhi look at how Gandhi correct just look at the difference absolutely yeah yeah so you know they they had suited booted uh politicians all along it's only the elite feudal Elite big business they enter politics out here you look at the kind of people just look at the Prime Minister I forgot but one second you know that's all that is where he has come from look at the hypocrisy of our politician I don't mind them wearing what they do but for example


mind them wearing what they do but for example chidambaram fellow has I don't know how many billions billions of dollars he will come in a dhoti under this thing Parliament but when he goes to Davos he'll be wearing those same way how's that hypocrisy if you go to your grandparents house you'd probably not dress in a suit you will wear a whatever kurta pajama if for a certain language it's appropriate clothing but more than I have come to my grandson in India it's also about the image now you go into uh image of course you go into a rural area you want the people to identify with you that's democracy that's democracy I I just I just wanted to point out that Anand was actually taking a homophobic job at me and how I dress on different foreign [Music] foreign [Laughter] they have a right to say it and you address them that way but say that everyone should be addressed as only day or a gender neutral I think that's if I'm


or a gender neutral I think that's if I'm okay being called a he which I am that's fine and so so if I don't want to be called the he say I I think I want to be College where is this there's a wonderful meme where uh a bike a man on a bike says a motorbike that identifies itself as a bicycle is just one Tour de France it's a bit like that I suppose but if it's not doing harm to anyone else in the US because children very early in age are wondering whether they are he she is and then some of them are being indoctrinated so very early they want to go in for a sex change and all because when you're just six seven eight you're still not sure some of them are experimenting and you know it's like I don't identify as John I identify as Jane when they're six or seven when you're six or seven and they are being allowed to have gender reassignment surgery yeah and nobody's talking about the damage that


yeah and nobody's talking about the damage that that see you have to have a certain mental maturity I think once you reach 18 or adult age there must be if you fail to find a partner you it's it's very easy for you to find fault saying maybe maybe a woman trapped in a man's body and I need this thing before what used to happen was before gender reassignment surgery you had to undergo rigorous psychological testing before which it was okay do you know Tehran was the is the gender reassignment capital of the uh of Asia yeah maybe even I wasn't aware because they banned homosexuality but they were fine with transvestism and cross-dressing because they're like okay can I ask you a serious question when did you know from the beginning I think I knew right from as far as I can dream I didn't know what it was to be gay but the moment somebody framed key there is something called games like oh okay so maybe the first issue was I didn't know what sexual


maybe the first issue was I didn't know what sexual attraction was and you know that's what I'm saying I'm asking a serious question sign so pre-puberty or post puberty you knew waypost puberty uh I think till I was about uh 16 17 I didn't know what it was being gay I and then retrospectively to another guy at 15 16. no I wasn't attracted till I was uh 15 16. uh but uh I only used to hang out with the girls before that okay okay because I would love to do no but in those days [Laughter] for example in our families and I've seen it in many cases you know if there are two or three girls in the house and there's a small kid boy kid he also tries to identify himself with his sisters right right and then you suddenly say that okay this guy is probably a gender fluid whatever [ __ ] you call it can you say here is how stupid is that is different they are telling you to not assign a


is different they are telling you to not assign a gender and let the kids try every gender and see what they fit into that's not yeah and if you have a problem blame it on gender first they wanted you to blame it on privilege and lack of wealth now they want you to blame it on gender you're stuck again is it is what this is happening is it statistically significant I mean a lot of this is happening or are you just talking it's to the point even if it is one percent it is statistically significant of course every life is important but even with percentage new new issue which can you imagine how many hundreds of thousands of people were talking about okay even if you're talking about say 0.5 percent of America America's Got 360 million people so uh one percent is uh 3.6 million you're still looking at about uh uh 1.75 million people who are affected by this and I am also meeting with I mean I've met with you but overseas Indian parents yeah


I've met with you but overseas Indian parents yeah are terribly worried Indian they call Indians in India you know that's the way that they think that you know one chittar and we'll sort this out you know forget about for centuries yeah okay 99 of the cases so you know we only used to eat for the fork and knife and when you eat with a fork and knife your uh your fork which the easing hand is always on your right so you know you uh left so it was normal to eat so much so you know left uh where was he eating that Focus knife I can't I don't like my hands listen until and unless I eat with my hands I just can't taste the food yeah it's horrible you can't I mean like the Biryani yeah it it if you eat it with a spoon it affects the taste of the business guys I got troll eating Biryani oh yeah yeah that's true you got that Biryani from uh the gender right how are you eating it with the


the gender right how are you eating it with the fork and if that was not why I strolled he was told because right-wing Biryani the gender is a BJP and um who am I to say no to good Biryani shamelessly I said butter chicken brilliant spicy but nice very nice absolutely foreign a number of these luminaries were there part of that I think we were traveling in a bus and all these guys and the pakistanis were shocked because these guys were from different political parties and they were having so much of fun with each other yeah talking to each other laughing eggs they were shocked because they had never seen politicians from across the aisle uh you know engage with each other in this map politicians do yeah what is what is annoying is that these journalists and Hangers On who are who become holier than Downs on behalf of their boss the bosses but that's what politics should be you must have different points but why are journalists so divided and


different points but why are journalists so divided and some journalists feel like spokesperson not only in journalists okay in your family in my family is the same thing have you lost a lot of friends since 2004 absolutely yeah it's like you know they suddenly it's not just lost friends it's the viciousness of it all there are people who actually go and say I can't be in the same room as this woman and these are people that you know you have traveled with your kids have learned swimming this with each other you they some of them went to the same schools same colleges thing I went through for eating Biryani harmlessly I have never been told so much and I was wondering why it is so toxic and it's so scary I'll tell you you know there's this Sachin pilot lunch every year he has this uh and he's you know he's called journalists all along and everybody goes for those things across the Divide whatever he doesn't call politicians it's only for


whatever he doesn't call politicians it's only for journalists so no regardless of whether he's in power or not he does this he gets the cooks from Rajasthan and the food is like you know like straight from the village does that and then Huda used to do that yeah I don't know oh God so I would go for the SAG right so but this is how are we friends with her yeah yes yes of course you can of course whatever you want I'm not judgmental but this is the point is that suddenly they start asking how's she here oh my God are you serious no way and these are people I have been going there you've been going there and we've been going there for over 10 years how come suddenly how's she here oh my God and this is the same thing with Whispers or open you know openly so and then they would they'll collect and they would and I was like was I part of this and was I judging other people it makes me think then that was I


other people it makes me think then that was I at any point of time in that group and was I judging this group you know and then I realized there was no groupism before this everybody would interact with everybody there was palibato there were very few we weren't so many journalists because now there's this proliferation right but it's the same it's become so divided and it's my family is so divided and journalists don't stand up for each other yeah I did not agree with your point of view as if you say if I'm a journalist ideas so people actually saying ice cream you could get arrested too and so now this cancel culture happens again right so now this is another thing which is happening which is so annoying and I keep looking at the BJP guys and saying for decades you guys got canceled and now you're doing the same thing and their line is so you know the whole the uh your uh it doesn't end a cycle yeah but let me


uh it doesn't end a cycle yeah but let me tell you one thing and I'm I always restrain myself but it becomes increasingly very difficult to keep standing up for these doofers I I do it yeah but if I was in politics if I was in journalism I actually probably wouldn't to be very honest because they're so hateful they are so vengeful still you have to stand for them so you know yes we were talking once uh you know off camera and off the podcast we were talking about the lit Fest how divided those little things have become and you were saying that you know you have these like he would say doofus on the right side too on the right wing side and there now you have a right-wing lit Fest and you have a left-wing I call it so these are the Rowdy right and the Looney left but it doesn't make any difference right you it's it's a it's a political ideology it's what you think it's how you go and vote


what you think it's how you go and vote it's how you you know you can you can have an argument about it but two points one if I'm in trouble I'm not going to go to Modi or to Rahul Gandhi and say pull me out of trouble help me out I'll come to you I'll go to him right this people have forgotten that look friendship and politics are two separate things that makes these things stand up for each other exactly all stand up that's over we have to and that's something generous when I see the tweets I'm not saying anyone in particular you think they are more all in the spokesperson of the party and many of them are out of work journalists also the most venomous ones YouTubers YouTubers but you know what surprises me what surprises he has very very uh good relations with some of these out of work journals but but listen I have told you this before I am very open about those relationships I will defend them to the


open about those relationships I will defend them to the teeth no they stood with him even if they are wrong even if they're wrong I will defend them because they are my friends I have always said this friendship over ideology yeah I agree and I live that I agree I love that too yeah yeah so do I yeah so I get trolled from either side yeah oh she's your friend oh he's your friend you know like so for example it was at my house for uh dinner once and he was wearing a hijab right and then I came on a date with me in hijab so yeah so then I some one of the one of my friends who have known her for 15 20 years she doesn't know what kind of people do you call to your house why because she doesn't agree with the idea that you know he wore a hijab so it's an insult to Islam I said he's a free speech uh absolutist and um am I judging you you do what you have to if he's


you you do what you have to if he's if you get insulted because he's at my house that's your problem boss yeah you know so but what surprises me even more is when you know you're talking about the lit Fest no lit Fest is supposed to be an intellectual exercise yeah if you're going to say that there is I am only going to present one set of views and I'm still a liberal then I think that's an antithesis of liberalism but they're not liberal I know no side is liberals [Music] yeah let's separate these two Jaipur lit Fest is very clear that they will not invite anybody from the other side of the island and who sponsors jlf and who sponsors are very important to go check who sponsors he is branded or sanghi so Z is sponsoring pondicherry lit Fest they went out of their way they went out of their way to invite people from the left they the first time they invited nram nram said no because of your


they invited nram nram said no because of your Hindus associations I will not attend uh uh the they then pressurized the French Consulate in uh uh Pandi to cancel giving the venues for the event and things like that which they did uh which they did the French Consulate got involved in Indian politics in pondicherry uh and uh it wasn't for the lack of trying that nobody from the left was invited the left not only refused to come they went out of the way to sabotage it so that's what I'm saying sometimes when you see there is a Nuance difference for example three novels his third novel has now come out fourth uh has he been invited to jlf it's the same way as you know what forget about me my books I have been read by uh you know uh people who are closing nine ten people I said it will be the 11th man to have read the book but there are authors who've uh yeah 100 000 books he's sold in one year or


yeah 100 000 books he's sold in one year or his publisher enormously Vikram sampath they never called to jlf yeah it's crazy Vikram they called this time but they will see they will always get the one token and that token one will be subjected to the you saw how Shazia almi was subjected to attack basically okay 100 I'll still stand up for you yes you will you will get Mysore park to me stand up foreign [Laughter] on the day was to be elevated Indira Gandhi said no you know the reason he attended the funeral of goalkar that was his only crying a high court judge was to be elevated because of his sexual orientation was not elevated no I don't think it is because one second one second the user's partner is a reason there are many heterosexual judges who have Partners one or three Indians tell me something why should anybody who claims to be a Hindu be homophobic I don't know I don't know because in in the


don't know I don't know because in in the in the Hindu cultural kind of a thing sexual orientation was supposed to be a very natural thing yeah it was never held against somebody what you know this is a natural thing yeah it was written on those levels Victoria Victorian culture has been has happened before when you hit puberty you were taken you were shown these Temple things and saying yes now the thing is today when they go look at it I noticed this uh when my Infamous clip happened that is when it struck me they were going there looking at it going it's me we've actually become more Victorian now we've become Victorious and we were such an open where did the Kama Sutra come from which land originated the Kama Sutra it's from this land oh I don't know why we become such prudes and to troll Deepika but Deepika is not just on bigotry it's also on controlling women's clothings no no but let's be honest here but Bollywood is being


but let's be honest here but Bollywood is being trolled because it is even anti-christian now all the villains were Michael Roberts all right someone may not like Shahrukh they may not like the big I agree with that point and you have a right to agree you even have a right to say look I don't want to watch this movie when an ex-cbi director rules Deepika puts her pictures and says why is a husband allowing her to be molested I think that's crossing a line yeah yeah that is not acceptable correct when the state when the home minister who's whose job is to defend Liberty he's not a super sensor comes down and says I will ban this movie Under No Authority your personal opinion does not like the movie sushant likes it that's fine give your opinion on Twitter you can't roll people like a movie don't go and see it don't like a book don't you don't like this podcast don't watch it yeah but don't say I will burn down a and I


but don't say I will burn down a and I because I don't like it that is unacceptable and we all have to stand up for this and a home minister doing Congress your views are so against what the Congress philosophy is but why actually [Laughter] and talking about Liberties why couldn't they talk about it in in Bombay it's like people going to the old Soviets you know now going to Beijing and talking about demography why why in Calcutta why why couldn't because both of them are from Bombay like film festival and then to pretend that it's not political in nature they were reading out no but both of them I think basically somebody decided that Deepika needed to be given comeuppance for what she did during those jnu protests okay so they found some reason to go after her and ever since then she spoke about mental health and any time mental health the presumption that a good looking person on a successful person will not have mental health mental health issues so they just but have


mental health mental health issues so they just but have you seen that but remember remember I don't want to use the word vulgar ever because subjective but it was very off-putting the kind of song I think Deepika looks gorgeous but when I was 18 I probably would have used that sorry he would have used the song Excuse me at 25 I don't like I didn't think anything much of the song right so between 18 and 25 it's not the farak music I agree Sunday yeah for a whole lot of women because they could never get that of course Kamal Hassan is not really hot but they you know what yeah so that the second one is silsila the the illegitimate Romance of silsila is something that you could never get in life now so then what what you can hear those songs now that Chemistry Between Amitabh and Rekha I think my generation at least no no that it was a good film very very well at the box office the movie bombed because it went into his social


the movie bombed because it went into his social mode yeah do you know just like yeah yeah that but yeah but it bombed because of that particular reason yeah that you know it was too ahead of its times and even silsila but imagine for jayavatan like she was she strolled so much because she doesn't like the paparazzi she he come on you have to YouTube and see the way she she I know she deals with yeah anybody trying to take a selfie with her she'll Snapchat she says Paul I hope you fall or something like that she said to her Pap um I believe there is a history to to that photographer or or the photographer Who belongs to us how do you deal with Paparazzi I have no Paparazzi but you know I I am quite fascinated when I travel how do you deal with paparazzi am racism such a bland I was expecting nobody I've seen me on page three thank God but you have to see I mean Paparazzi was never


you have to see I mean Paparazzi was never there for journalists but you bring up an important I'm not on page three because of my horizontal expense so basically there is uh there are a lot of people on page three who because of their horizontal expense yeah because you if you are on page three if you pay money so you so they go to uh one of these Camellia familiars and all that they went to Camellias there's a huge fight that's broken out between Magnolia and Camellia okay because the Camellia Valas have all been West Delhi types who didn't want the Magnolia ones coming and using their Club okay and what's happened in Magnolia is they don't want the best daily types coming into Magnolia at all for anything because they come in South Korea to dry and things like that this podcast is going to be a blockbuster so it's that it's the same thing which 20 years ago probably Singapore had when you know when they decided or maybe 30 years ago that X number


they decided or maybe 30 years ago that X number of people of Indian origin X number of malays X number of Chinese that is how they decide on their housing policies so they moved there and now how do you like you have a certain way of doing things right you you know like suddenly you're going into the uh the thing and your Maids are entering the service are entering and they are carrying big Bazaar K uh no not big Bazaar it is from what food food you Bank your grocery from Food Hall so you know these things cause trouble in these sophisticated areas so lower upper classy so you know lower upper classy is Road okay middle upper classes and Golf Links lower upper classy is who did not want a Metro to come up here yeah they didn't want a Metro they didn't want a Metro to come up near their colony because you know then the hoipaloi comes in there yeah then you cannot control the kind of you know the the gentle crowd that you have right


know the the gentle crowd that you have right now so you will get the unwashed masses coming so they didn't want a metro station difference elitism yeah which is completely wrong okay explain now please yeah that's right Elite is someone who's you know who's come up who's meritorious who excels in his or her field who's absolutely professional articulate gentlemanly gentle movements foreign would you call him Elite the fellow has more money than any Indian politician you can think of it's not to do with money it's to do with what you do you know your professionalism should understand this better than foreign she's written this book on finance and about how women should take advantage not just financially independent to understand how to manage your finances most women don't right like your mom wouldn't do it my mom does it very well but okay I also lost my father very early okay so most remain uh don't do it and it's not of a certain vintage most women would either hand it over to their


vintage most women would either hand it over to their fathers or hand it over to their brothers or spouses when they are able to do it you know you do it and you know flatter your uh father or flatter the whoever is the paternal head in your family to say you you I trust you completely God forbid it a situation comes where you realize that you're not you're at odds with them you're finished right so I was telling her I said you know I am guilty of that I I cannot think finances and most women don't we are not equipped to handle that Pythagoras Theorem yeah you see the way you are brought up number one within the family yeah number one number two in your school system also nobody teaches you any of this and I think that's important but I'll tell you I'll give Raul Gandhi credit for one thing for all the trolling that you do for Rahul Gandhi when the no this is true when the direct benefit or transfer scheme started


is true when the direct benefit or transfer scheme started the pilot project or they were working out various things he insisted that the money go directly into the account of the women and what is what does what the study then showed was women spend more on nutrition but the men would spend on alcohol so nutritionist food was was actually you know women would spend on the right choices that that would help the family grow and would bring in prosperity men would squander that money and that's a survey that's a government survey by the up and that's where now DBT has become so big and Prime Minister Modi takes credit that was something that he insisted on even all these self-help you know but Modi was doing this even as chief minister of Gujarat yeah opposed the DBT through if you pick up wine formally but even if he does and he gives up his uh his whatever unemployment I don't think he's unemployed I think he's uh lecturing in two universities right yes but I


uh lecturing in two universities right yes but I think if he does uh come in I think it's great for the country you need more professionals and Optics wise I think was like doing good right I think it was fabulous I think BJP made a mistake attacking him I know I know you find out what I can't I used to be hot now he's not sure yeah who finds him and of course a whole bunch of people when he was in that list if you remember the nancok list that there was this whole thing that you know the anti-writers I'm not going to say left wing because some of them are not like shashita Omar Abdullah raghuram Rajan let's critique the list I don't find uh in my expert homosexual opinion any of them of lasting after men I can tell you I do not find shashita rule hot how can you decide on men who are hot why are you minimizing my lived experience you're carrying out verbal genocide any of these


you're carrying out verbal genocide any of these guys whom you don't find what I'm sure they'll be very relieved yes I'm sure they will but if that is only selling point is that he's fair and you know in this country I have a huge objections you know growing up in South Indian households is a different concept of good looks and if you like a South Indian in the north there's this whole conflict that comes in your mind because what who is good looking yeah so I remember going once you know and uh we're sitting in this all cousins and aunts and uncles and things and so then this guy comes with this thick mustache and you know like that Curly curly curly hair and everybody found him good looking guy so it's this whole thing so raghuram Rajan would be like mylapur brahmins will not find him good looking but then the others do okay now let's put in the spotlight tell a male politician you find good looking um no no I find


politician you find good looking um no no I find the only George Clooney good looking sorry this is politically correct answer this is Indian politician you find good looking I don't Charming they're very Charming I would like top of my head I would say that uh Javier shergill is very Charming wow super Charming he's a really nice guy SM Krishna was very Charming the guy who read the Portuguese no no but but that was in his old and I know you people will laugh but I think amitsha is very Charming he is he's got a very affable kind of yeah so people may not like it is very well read he he talks so much Gyan um Modi even as chief minister was very Charming he could talk to you about Singapore politics he could talk about America politicians and I found found it irritating at one point of time the first time I met Raul Gandhi was that there were these bunch of journals we had been invited this was 2012 I think


we had been invited this was 2012 I think elections up elections maybe I I can't get the date uh the year correct there were up elections okay so uh akhilesh uh was uh you know chief minister candidate or whatever at that time that he could be so we were a bunch of journals and he was talking like you know the larger picture and then some very pertinent questions were asked that you keep talking about New Blood should come in youngsters should come in and actually Javier and all were one of those and probably you also you know the lateral entries young people who didn't have you didn't come from families who were congressmen and all they were so he had this idea at that time and at that time some of the questions but people around you are all these uh and why aren't you part of the Manmohan Singh government nothing he could talk so my like he would keep giving golmaal answers and I was like he's giving he's not getting one lessons [Laughter]


giving he's not getting one lessons [Laughter] he's not Charming he's harming things no he's not he's not Charming at all you know what they say the road what was the question Charming Charming he also speaks very nicely there are several he's politically very small politically very soft yeah but they are always polite they're not nasty no but this this but he has endeared he may say the nastiest thing about Modi sha and all but he will say it so politely that is the most corrupt person I've ever met Amit Shah is because he's not tough on on me but see I'll tell you you must criticize he was very genial right people across very gentle speaks very well and there are many others I can like Name Across the political divide but you know Congress spokespersons across I mean in the past I don't like okay personally but there are intellect the depth that they had the way Rajesh pilot yeah that is how you should criticize you must


yeah that is how you should criticize you must criticism you know I remember once you know was answering some questions to do with some debate on I think it was NDTV used to come in Star News and some guy called up and asked him something very rudely replied so politely and sweetly and gently no entitlement no nothing he's a self-made man who Rajesh pilot I think Rajesh pirate was one of those people I still remember as being one of the even Indira Gandhi I think Indira Gandhi people used to forget you know you know she had very strong likes and dislikes maybe if she didn't like a certain journalist but my memory of Indira Gandhi on two three Republic days was Republic Day and you could just talk to her no but that your weight you are a civil servant uh child correct yes civil servant daughter you had pride of place in that little thing and also Republic Day remember she she started owning Republic Day Republic day was not meant for prime


Republic Day Republic day was not meant for prime ministers it was meant for president and army I mean uh sorry the forge she after 1971 decided by this is something that I will own so she started coming in the Jeep and there was a role henceforth for Prime Ministers of India at Republic Day otherwise till then there was no role for prime ministers on Republic day she was like 71 War I'm owning this and I will have a place so you know let's not go into Mrs Gandhi and things like that and also house when you make a judgment of similarly when he says also realize I have reached the seniority when they are probably polite to me nice to me I don't know whether they were with the younger lot who were getting into politics maybe they got a rough treatment by them I don't know sometimes these senior politicians don't do it the others are doing it for them you know they're under leagues which is the worst thing those Gatekeepers to politicians are


is the worst thing those Gatekeepers to politicians are the worst people ever you know the most insecure people yeah you know it's the way you choose a Rottweiler to guard your house you can either go for a Golden Retriever or Rottweiler a golden retriever won't guard your house the Rottweiler will guard your house let's move forward what do you guys think about G20 that's coming up because there's a lot of criticism by many people that this is turning out to be a G20 is basically talk shop that no no big things get solved that uh there's too much of emphasis things which are happening so one by one what do you think since you are from a think tank s look I think there has been some dilution in what the G20 was all about okay at the time it came in these are the 20 most powerful economies of the world they are supposed to actually set the agenda it's not just the G7 which is like the elite of the elite it's


which is like the elite of the elite it's the next big guys right so uh nothing wrong in the concept it's got diluted because a lot of things have got added on it was basically to manage the global economy but then you've added on a whole lot of other stuff onto G20 um but other than that purely from an Indian Point of View now that we have the presidency uh I think we should milk it for whatever it's worth I agree and I don't see any reason why we should not for example if the government and I think the government has the right ideas if they are planning board I don't know 20 or 200 cities or yeah 35 cities if I'm not mistaken in uh to have so you showcase the shoe you showcase the country uh you know so there are a lot of positives that can come out of this one year that you know you are getting so many people from across the even at the airport when I was coming the other day uh they have a separate


was coming the other day uh they have a separate counter now for anybody who's traveling which means that there must be a lot of traffic delegates yeah delegates for the G20 what do you think uh so I think it's a good thing I mean I agree with him but um because at the end of the day yeah I mean it will it will bring out a limited amount of things that are positive India's contribution to the world India is now a big player and all that like world has to interact with us so it's not a one-way process you know internally so we will remain poor like for example agricultural reforms ourselves to a middle income economy from you know earning two and a half thousand dollars GDP per capita to 15 000 maybe China is what twelve thousand thirteen thousand we can do it in 10 15 years we could have done it lost these eight years we've lost his eight years because of Congress because of opposition because of you know let me finish because there's only so


of you know let me finish because there's only so much you can blame somebody's mindlessness on somebody else of course I have blamed more than anyone else for Congress to say okay we've lost a lot in eight years without attributing a lot of it to the opposition who have supported every bad move of Modi or every U-turn of Modi is I think hypocritical I say whoever is in the opposition and this is the unfortunate part of Indian politics even the BJP did it when they were in order not just only the nucleus not just the GST you name the issue right they opposed it then they realized that this was a good idea so this is uh so I want to blame it only on the congress come on see I'm just saying for him to say no so he lost decade the point which abhijeet was making I think that's a point which actually needs to be stressed that this the job of the people who are in government is to deliver despite the opposition do


in government is to deliver despite the opposition do not have the right ideas as far as I'm concerned opposition to the nuclear deal public or private is high treason here I'm very clear about this high treason okay it was deservant of jail term or firing squad that nuclear deal was the best we could have gotten under the circumstances foreign spaces and I read your tweets so G20 let's get back to G20 yes has G20 suffered from Mission creep and has the mission been diluted by all kinds of additional fluff and tamasha and all of that yes because bureaucrats in every country are corrupt and they want to get their business class tickets and useless conferences abroad and their Marriott points or their Starwood points they've already started now some conference have already started yeah exactly and you want to get position and you add positions like Sherpa and this and that and what Harish have been there for Kingdom Come for kingdom come but that doesn't mean business they are the ones


come but that doesn't mean business they are the ones who will guide the whole guide silencing the hormones uh I wish I could play Such victim which is brilliant yeah stop being homophobic goddammit so why are you attacking the only South Indian before of course so pure let's leave that aside now you remember till 1984 when I think 84 was the Los Angeles Olympics right Olympics were losing propositions it was a Prestige proposition since then it became a financial model where every city hosting the Olympics used to make a reckon billions of dollars G20 hosting will rake in Bill well hundreds of millions of dollars if not about a billion dollars because of the economies it creates Caterers this that we are waiting for this house it's what all the countries which go to Indonesia what they expect exactly right so it creates a certain economy which is very good for you but in terms of outcomes so I'll let me just come to remember diplomacy has two things


me just come to remember diplomacy has two things for uh uh low governance countries that is to say third world countries like India process is important for high governance First World countries uh product is important this will be a process meeting and that's fine now that we're talking about diplomacy art of convincing a journalist that you're right there is one thing on G20 it has 85 percent of the global GDP these 20 countries 75 of the World Trade I think for India to be chairing it even if it's rotational I think it's a big moment because I think Ajit Dover had said it you got to punch equivalent to your weight more ahead of your weight I'm not even saying ahead I'm saying equivalent it gives you an opportunity to set an agenda where 85 of the world GDP is concerned right so you're setting in a way the global agenda now you can argue with your Technique Congress was saying Lotus symbol and now you are putting a difference the prime minister


now you are putting a difference the prime minister speaks right he'll be setting an agenda he'll be setting the country's agenda I think that's important I think it's important because India's Regional aspirations are going to clash with China's Global aspirations we know that that's going to happen so I think when you can set that agenda with China going through or a period where now we know that its economy is not uh as good as its claimed to be we the covet vaccines failed they are their own crisis internal crisis I think it's a time for you yeah since turned out to be Duds or complete Duds and I'll tell you about it of the record of what a conversation Anand and I had with somebody else I think this government's done a disservice this government in court by saying oh you can go after the covert vaccines the Indian things you can if you took the vaccine and you're not uh you you got it uh you you fell got a reaction which is no reaction


you you fell got a reaction which is no reaction that's come out data wise and you can better no no no Pfizer there is data Indian vaccines you can go after them these vaccines have saved this country yeah this country is on it's not like China because of these vaccines instead of giving them the Bharat then I'm saying this with responsibility you should have stood up for both these companies I am sorry you should have stood up and you're not just saying it because no no I'm not saying it because I am saying this you should have for both the vaccines everywhere which you know like they don't even have yeah and even like just the other day like I met this guy who owns Path Labs and I was saying you know there's no people who owned I met someone the other day who works is that it's so easy to get a covet test done in our country it's always been okay fine we went through a very bad phase during the yeah one second the second


very bad phase during the yeah one second the second phase was bad the second papers but it was not as though uh it has been hunky-dory in many of these other countries yeah these westerners what they were trying to do is basically onto India by planting all those stories on India but uh I'm telling you about my daughter every time we have to travel to India at least in the past they would have to go in for a test a test would cost them over a hundred dollars yeah and it would result spend another sixty dollars or fifty dollars stand in line get the test done you don't know when the result is 24 hour window right because you have to board the flight so you're in this tenter hooks all the time is your report going to come before you board the flight or not I think we as a nation we just don't ungrateful uh for both both and punawalas deserve bharatra I've just said it but but it's crazy Defenders this country saved and 70 is got


crazy Defenders this country saved and 70 is got serum 30 percent got biotech is countries so tell us what do you think of this because there are some people who are saying that Chinese they should not get their visas to travel anywhere because of this new pandemic which is coming in this tradeemic or whatever it's called yeah there's another thing they're saying now uh even the um kovit is so off our mental space I didn't sleep me and my wife when sorry during the second phase yeah we didn't sleep 20 nights eight minutes because we were arranging oxygen or I'll tell you the truth and truth be told I was getting oxygen from Punjab and Rajasthan into Delhi containers foreign we now know we're not useful yet some people I mean there's still divided medical opinion and blood plasma yeah what we all went on remedies we all went on stairs constantly you know whatsapping me that stay on course stay on course because all these drugs which we which I went through in the


these drugs which we which I went through in the second phase they play with your mind they make you think you get random uh thoughts in your mind and he was like you know no stay on course you know and my son don't die on me like you know because it is that it was that bad anyway let's let's change this is just one thing I'm just one thing I was very upset with the Union government was they could have had a real time data thing of seeing which hospitals have beds they could have no hospital will refuse a patient up I even had a stand-up artist who came here comedian and they were talking about how it's really affected their mental health also so do you you put a firewall how do you take it as a joke I take it as a joke I I always think I so my line is always life is brilliant Hakuna Matata that's my line any given time okay or I think I'm privileged I do believe that okay I'm in this opportunity


I do believe that okay I'm in this opportunity care and people have a right to questions people should question my life is great okay uh how do you handle the trolls I'm just totally cool with it no but you really take it on come on no no I have fun taking it on yeah but I find that see for me I'll tell you why the trolls are important I actually thank the trolls sometimes because in the middle of all the galleys will be beef eater homo ganja uh [ __ ] what not what not that too lots of other things which I have no issues with why doesn't it I look at it so when somebody says this no I look in here you want to criticize me you want to go after me go after me on any issue I don't have a problem all you can find is that I don't have hair on my head out of a thousand kalis you will actually one or two times you will get some very informed criticism you don't block people uh


some very informed criticism you don't block people uh I most sometimes I do black people like if I'm like if I can't deal with the number of answers I block uh then I block I don't okay my middle name is galidas was the great poet of Sanskrit I am the great uh poet of abuse poet of abuse so I'm galidas you don't engage at all right sushant you don't engage with trolls initially when I used to get trolled I used to you know I didn't have a thick skin at that time now I have a bit of a thick skin firstly second uh the trolling is not so much but uh the third I block anybody who's getting abusive okay right well if you're getting abusive then you know you don't have an argument otherwise you can say whatever you want to say but my response will only come I'll see RK foreign giving people like that mileage and giving them followers great fun of perversity in India called a homosexual a pervert and


in India called a homosexual a pervert and a congress spokespersonal journalist and a medical professional and a medical professional laughed and added to my uh to the gaslighting and abuse correct you tell me because you've picked up on these fact Checkers so-called fact Checkers these so-called fact Checkers real life yeah fake fact Checkers I would have to charge them to for them to even dare to interact with me I'm telling you honestly they're such doofers yeah but Twitter is free also everything one I removed because you were factually right the other one it's still there because I stand up for it because he a case was done under him for him calling someone hate Monger I said look that's ridiculous I mean come on you know if that's so but that guy is abusive he's been wrong three four times but um he's picked on me three four times and he's been wrong foreign but he never apologizes he's got no sense of propriety left so he would never apologize because he


propriety left so he would never apologize because he knows anyone actually which is a very Noble thing to do he immediately by a sorry worker you know the Pura you know everyone who says sorry or apologize apologizes he is branded sabarkar for whatever reason so he made a word play out of that as well that oh I didn't apologize because I'm not sorry worker you know the others who retweet I think yeah I mean he's not he's not well no no no no no no no let's not get into that it's also caliber no I think that's the wrong thing no it is from where you have come from glasses what you are you could you could say you could be a really rich dude and you could not have any classes he's deliberately putting falsehood and then there are others who are supposedly journalists who retweet that why won't they tell me one thing and understand for example journalist is supposed to say in fact one episode in that one episode foreign but


in fact one episode in that one episode foreign but no she should not go to jail and you don't have a right to cut her head and I have security I've had the Delhi police right to the police yeah no I I really I admire that's insane and it's not just one side and I watched the right Wingers respectively so not just there are many in the BJP who did not stand for and useless government with and you know I have don't know the way she said it I disagree and you could have and you're a political party spokesperson so I disagree with that now it's a legal issue I don't want to comment but as as a government whether it's testing when another country attacks your citizen look at America it stands up it is a question of them canceling the vice president's dinner but between uh it's like one and a half Millions foreign what I'm saying is if the government is not standing up for nupur tomorrow why would he stand up for me


nupur tomorrow why would he stand up for me yeah look hamari internal Joby differences but my government is Duty bound to protect me against another country Afghanistan you know at the exact point at which nupur was thrown under the truck was in the qataris threatened to cancel venka and naidu's reception so a party a dinner party for your vice president is more important than the life of an Indian citizen of your spokesperson that's a that's again not all right this is when they come in real life and they come up to you and they say that you know uh you've blocked me and I say do you know what you've blocked a lot of people I keep getting recorded yeah no but there was this one guy who comes to me and said you've blocked me and I said okay so why did I block you you were unfair to Modi so I abused you I was like um that people don't care about morality or ethics so if they're wrong they won't try to even


so if they're wrong they won't try to even correct themselves because they already have a huge fan following for example if tomorrow zubair is wrong on something why would he apologize because even while he's wrong people are praising him lost jobs for whatever reason take it in your stride do something else and in this day and age where there are so many outlets media wise YouTubers you join a PR agency content creation there are always jobs unlike 15 years ago when if you who went against the government and you didn't have a job your newspaper fired you there was nowhere might be earning more than any Indians yeah they are great so it's not like you make a lot of money okay but whatever there is an outlet you're a journalist yes doing anything else but you're comparing so obviously learning with somebody who's got a family wait one minute I'll tell you how it starts listen listen how does it start oh no don't start growing come in here if you are doing YouTube from India then


in here if you are doing YouTube from India then you don't earn money but if you're doing so that is why he's abroad but Instagram eyeballs from if you have if you're sitting in America and you get there are more hits yeah then you make more money listen wait some of these people who start trolling they troll they put something outrageous more followers this guy is like eyeballs and all that he's become the stroll in Chief then a political party hires him as spokesperson but you know these trolls I've had experiences I was doing lunch with somebody you're talking about me dropping names uh I was at lunch at the highest are there the reason I said Hyatt because this is in central Delhi a five-star hotel right so you expect so my security and this this is a diplomat her Securities outside we are talking we're having a conversation she wants to go to Punjab and you know this guy walks up to me or they say what a normally selfie or


to me or they say what a normally selfie or TK uh you know and then he said takes a congress politician woman's name and says I want to cut her head he says this publicly in front of people and the thing is it's so scary because if somebody's so lunatic to say this is so close to you so close you can speak about fork and hit you in the eye yeah I have had it in a five-star hotel again in Pune I'm surprised I'm saying this because you expect a certain filtered a measure at a secure venue this guy walks up to me says I see you on TV Etc mentions you say sorry I love your debates you then his wife takes pictures and then he says he wants to rape my wife yeah I remember oh God he said this God and and in a one second you're wondering should I hit him if I hit him is it privilege in that one second you're thinking neymara what will my wife think of me if I go


what will my wife think of me if I go and tell back and all of this in that one second this conversation and you're shaking out of fear out of anger no I get his point it's like that Will Smith moment yeah you don't know whether to react or not remember do you remember what happened to uh what's his name Vikram this guy decided to take a selfie and then he says or some [ __ ] like that and ran off this thing this doxing is you have to know it's not called it's a pranking or whatever everybody has to condemn it yeah if you're taking a selfie selfie low after that you publish what you want we all should become like I don't like selfies don't take photos that's that's taking it to the others they say 2023 what do you expect anything any thoughts what do you want it to be different from 2022 I'll tell you what I want I want peace I want this this Gap that's happened we're going with 2024


this Gap that's happened we're going with 2024 important globally America UK Indian and Indonesian elections and this progress in the country that's what I want I think it's important like you said we move from Two and a Half thousand to ten twelve thousand so that progress starts so there's some joint commonality little less hate little more love I think that will be good of your teeth I hope for a lot but I expect nothing to change so I've learned not to have unrealistic expectations anything I'm unrealistic yes yes you hurt me I'm not doing lunch with you uh nothing is going to change it's just going to be more of the same uh you know um because you know unfortunately this government treats event management as policy making the Congress also thinks event management is opposition you'll probably have one more big protest that comes out because now the government is basically in centralized all protesters since the farm protest so you'll have one more big protest movement sometime in March April which


more big protest movement sometime in March April which will again paralyze Delhi for like six seven months so that will probably happen uh I don't think 2023 is a year to look forward to yeah anything worse than this is Harry and Megan which we haven't discussed you're just jealous of Megan what was that foreign [Music] because things will be largely the same because I think I've I've come you know I was at the time but India is incremental progress only you know so um that's government policy also that that is government's policy and a lot of things I I think this government is really imbibed what narasimha Rao said to not take a decision is also to take a decision so a lot of things uh you know at High Hopes always with governments to think for the people there you know condition improve and let me tell you let's be very honest five of us are sitting out here we don't need uh a great improvement in our conditions right we're living Our Lives


in our conditions right we're living Our Lives exactly yeah you've got to be privileged yeah honestly we are privileged and you know we privileged uh mostly because of our doing largely overwhelmingly you can say ah the fact is we don't need the government to work for us yeah we needed to work for our people that's right and I hope people realize this sorry gated communities I mean I'm sorry I'm talking of our privileged existence but it is a fact we don't need this government tell me one policy of this government in the last eight years that has affected me us on a very personal note uh health wealth Prosperity right yeah on uh what is my hope the same as the scene uh what do I expect the same as Abhijit because I maybe I'm just very cynical and very pessimistic yeah but I don't see um I see some very good things happening in this country but I also see some very bad things happening in this country I think the polarization is only going to increase


I think the polarization is only going to increase because everybody seems to be profiting from it without realizing that this is going to be very damaging you can have very strong political positions but to have polarization of the sorts we are moving towards and we are already into is not a very good thing um I think internationally uh there'll again be some very good things which will happen but I think there are very serious risks which we are going to be up against okay I'm not so sure whether the China front will remain silent or not I I I I fear [Applause] um okay I'm I I'm just being depressive but no no I I think what's happening in Punjab is something which is very easy you've been saying this okay sometimes it's very very scary yeah and I think the Ahmad party government is only going to make it worse yes um I don't know whether it is deliberate or it is uh you know they're just incompetent okay so people are which


know they're just incompetent okay so people are which remembers the 1980s and we have and you know we've been in Delhi in the 80s we know what it is family in Punjab so you know the last thing any of us want to do and even you know when we meet with uh Indians abroad that's the first thing they're saying is India going back to that phase of 80s with the kalistan movement Reviving none of us want that and nobody is doing anything to stop it but this is where I have again a problem with the government should come down heavily I mean I couldn't agree more with you but I don't see that happening bill was handing a victory not only that you see that I'm gonna say another image building now since the last one years it's actually more than a year since the farm bills were taken no wasn't it yeah yeah last year now you see is very carefully crafting his Association how much he loves the seeks he is called the


much he loves the seeks he is called the Sikhs the delegations there he's gone why do you need to do that I'll tell you why I'll tell you I'll tell you why do I oppose Prime Minister Modi just for the record and a complete episode if I when I visualize myself I say handling I've never prime minister handing something I would meet the delegation the influencers right you have to meet the influence yes you I agree no no one sec so I think you're mixing up issues number one uh from whatever I know I think Mr Modi and many people in the uh in the current government they um they don't see the sick religion as something separate they see as part of the largest yeah yeah okay but they do one second one second many of them do and many of them many of them it's a 300 years old many of them actually uh uh at least in the case of the Prime Minister I think it can be said that he is actually has a very


can be said that he is actually has a very strong uh I don't know what is the correct word affiliation but a very strong uh attachment you can say towards it so so part of what he does is because of that right uh unfortunately the way it's turning out it seems like he's trying to appease not that one you should not do it but so I think the disaster is you did it with the akalis you let them run right in Punjab and Destroy Punjab um and your your ministers kept quiet and never did anything they never uttered a word so they raked it in so they have been responsible as much as anybody else for what is happening in Punjab so one but I don't want to carry On and On otherwise we can do another one hour on Punjab uh so one is I I fear bad times in Punjab number two I fear bad times on the terrorist front I think that is a danger which is uh constantly lurking not just coming from not


is uh constantly lurking not just coming from not just not just coming from Pakistan but even uh you know domestic kind of terrorism which is partly going to be a result of the kind of extremism which we are seeing is not something which is you know an outlier it is something which is becoming that's why it should have been charged under Terror laws this government did nothing they cannot say I will cut somebody's head I am sorry it's a time I couldn't agree more with you so I so I fear internal security issues uh I fear external security issues uh I think on the economy will be okay I'm not so sure whether we can't lie we'll be fine but I don't think there is going to be any real major breakthrough coming because I don't see any real policy framework which leads me to believe that yes we are now getting there you know in the sense you want to create industry out here then you know you our friend Gautam and you know the the work he has done on


and you know the the work he has done on the regulatory Frameworks until and unless you and these guys have to be fair to the government they are trying to address those issues yeah but until and unless you move really fast in addressing those issues but you know how I basically you put bureaucrats in charge of addressing those yeah so I wanted to think that report in the first place and also if I can add to that you know you talk of economic front that is the most important front most important most important competition if you it's been three years okay now our trade deficit has grown to 77 billion dollars we are trading the maximum ever since records began 125 billion dollar is the trade now my any kind of overnight change it but government company report 82 percent of the trade that we do imports from China can be sourced from a third country cheaper yeah yeah no that is important not only can we Source it from a third country and they banned the app so that they didn't have to ban


the app so that they didn't have to ban the real stuff so I don't understand why now who is now I can say that okay Modi is not responsible for that day to day yeah but you talked of bureaucrats is it not the responsibility of the bureaucrats to say key we have three years I want our trade imbalance to be slashed to half I will never impose to be due to how the bureaucracy Works half the time you know you talk to the guys oh yes but what happens is for example when this Galvan thing happened the pmo for example they were kind of informal instructions they should okay you remember there were these Plastics and ships were at the port and they were damaged you know all sorts of things were happening again I don't want to name the people and the companies involved but there were companies which were trying to shift their entire manufacturing from China to India India your babus in the ministry of Commerce and some of the other Ministries


ministry of Commerce and some of the other Ministries they thought this is Imports happening from China you know what the Pakistan Army has done to Pakistan the IES has done to India I'm sorry to read this evil Jennings report uh what is the Edward Jennings thing 1952 report called uh constitutional uh something in Pakistan he says very clearly the net result of partition was not that Hindus went to India and Muslims went to Pakistan but it is that the Army went to Pakistan and the bureaucrats went to India and they will both he quote unquote they will both hang around their necks like a hanged man's noose what the isi is to Pakistan the IAS is to India very strong for example you know and there are some really bright guys who get into the is but what do you do you know you have created no specialization Ministry of Urban Development secretary no no he's supposed to be the greatest urban planner in this country is pushing files but he's supposed to be the greatest Joe animal


but he's supposed to be the greatest Joe animal husbandry or secretary agriculture he's supposed to be the greatest civilization at one point of time Delhi airport had two runways Crossing each other like this that is an accepted Runway Crossing it it's it's it there's a thing to it so that that wasn't particularly bad but what was bad was because of the Hanuman statue outside one Runway has a certain no Shiva statue Shiva statue one Runway which was planned nobody thought of orienting that particular Runway slightly differently yeah so there's a kind of a takeoff uh limitation load limitation no but then they they took the pedestal off that and they've made it well this is what I mean three years ago if I was running this as a corporation and an enemy had killed my soldiers right I would have said in three years I want our trade to be slashed to half or three forces do something I need to do that but yeah through the IIs implementing


to do that but yeah through the IIs implementing his ground level policies he has managed to win two elections resoundingly who is he going to listen to Anand ranganathan or IAS yeah welfare policies and you've done a very good job of it okay I have nothing against the social welfare programs of the government right it's the government's job to do that be sure right what I have a problem with is on the other stuff agreed right that is where they will separate them he thinks that the same person gives electricity to a village can carry on a negotiation with the Chinese one second it's an important point because the micro of trade the micro of climate the micro economics it is so complex in key education in here they're not given through life training most of them are anywhere there because even if you look at the regional socialization is where you know people and I've seen this on the Russians I've seen it in the Americans also uh if they would start their tour of Duty in Pakistan


if they would start their tour of Duty in Pakistan come to India go back to Washington come to Bangladesh or come to India go to Sri Lanka come back to India go to Pakistan and in the 30 35 years of their careers many of them would only be in this place or back and maybe one or two posting somewhere else that lack of career planning for somebody that they become an Africa Specialist or a trade policy Specialist or a disarm limit policy specialist you will also see it in the military foreign you are not allowed to become an electronic warfare Specialist or a certain kind of a specialist and things like that the career planning is all over the place across the entire government it was the permanent bureaucracy versus the lateral entry guys and they were always kept onto the side they were never they never really became part of the system really and again they were never given training in the games that the bureaucracy plays not only that see what they who can they


plays not only that see what they who can they do for example what you know you don't need to have lateral entry that you get say somebody like you make him say bring him at the Joint secretary level and then he continues and he retires he can come in for a year correct four year period and then he goes back to doing what happens for example in think tanks abroad that you get into government you serve for three years four years along with you know it's just co-terminers with a particular Administration and then you go back to your company you take a public it's called a public service sabbatical yeah okay the problem is but there is a problem even there because you know unless you are part of the echo chamber you do not get into government just okay wrap it up and let's hope that 2023 is not as dismal as we have just thought about it as good as I hope yeah my biggest fear is that the Whole Decade of the 2020s might be a disastrous


Decade of the 2020s might be a disastrous decade because it started with kovid 21 was back 22 is indifferent I don't know what 23 will bring yeah this is your bias thank you guys thank you so much be convene next month from now and let's see whether 2023 is we will have an assessment do you have an assessment assessment right thank you thanks a lot thank you bye thank you thank you very much for watching this episode of ani podcast with Smitha prakash I hope you like And subscribe on whichever Channel you have seen this or heard this wish you a very happy new year and let's hope 2023 brings with it happiness prosperity and good health for all of us namaste thank you [Music]


me and Kusha both started doing our research as well we've talked to more people from South Delhi we would go to parties and observe a little bit there is one South Delhi girl Sunita Sunita and then there is South Delhi auntie who's more like Sunita now there's a lot of similarities between Mumbai people in South Africa they're rich but they're the understated rich like we don't need to show it off we we will wear all the designer stuff like if you know if you know luxury you'll know that I'm wearing luxury my comedy actually comes a lot from my writing I'm a big introvert in real life my sense of humor is not like you know how a lot of people have such amazing sense of humor that they make you laugh every second and I love those people but I'm not that person everything is a problem you say I love myself I have self-love makeup oh God what you know stuff like that but I mean now it's funny to me


that but I mean now it's funny to me because now I don't care of course it can get you sometimes welcome to another edition of a i podcast with Smitha prakash today my guest is Dolly Singh uh she's a fashion blogger she has a site called spill the Sass which is very popular among instagramers among people who watch content which is fun um she's also done a whole lot of videos on South Delhi aunties she's done one something which is very funny which is Raju Ki mummy and she's met with celebrities she's acted in films she's done a whole lot of content and she comes from a very small town and from a small town she came to Delhi from Delhi to Bombay and has a long way to go it's interesting to see how a young girl like her has achieved so much in so little a time and yet she retains that innocence and that vulnerability of small town India Dolly saying I am so happy to have you in my studio today I've


so happy to have you in my studio today I've been watching your videos for years together and secretly shall I tell you we are a bunch of friends we would send these you know yours and kushas we would send this and we'd say yeah let's guard ourselves and now I have you in the studio with me my friends are going to be so jealous oh my God thank you so much I mean that means a lot and I always like it's always so fun to see you know the variety of audience we've had of course when people come to us in their RH group it's it's fine it's like yeah we were targeting you this is our TG you know but when it's like the Elder people or like people like you or like kids I'm your almost your mom's age okay so elephant in the room but no it feels extra special to be honest because it's like okay we've broken those barriers like our our content is not just like I bought this like this particular like


just like I bought this like this particular like five year age group like this bracket it's going beyond that you know and kids are liking it and and mothers and fathers are liking it and it gives you immense like happiness because you're like oh my God like my content is reaching those people and they're actually enjoying it uh so I would take this as a compliment absolutely you know I'm going to get to your uh your entire life how you started and how you began making content and you know your education bit and you know your struggles about what to do in life I'm going to get to that bit Yeah but first I have to first and foremost I need that Sunita okay for the lack of a better one okay and she's obnoxious and then there is Saudi auntie who's more like she's calm she has a lot of peace and how she's a good money she doesn't yeah exactly so it's like so it's a lot more of like this this


like so it's a lot more of like this this depth this auntie and her daughter Shania yeah they both they both have that special relationship with Sunita where did that Sunita come to you from so actually it's very funny because I'm not from Delhi I never knew when we started doing South Delhi videos I had no idea what kind of people we are trying to play right um and I didn't know what South Delhi West Delhi not Delhi I didn't know these distinctions yeah and of course I understand Rich poor this that but like I didn't really notice these kind of things before and for the first two episodes if you see I'm not really doing much I'm playing a regular girl and by the third time I realized that wait I think I'm missing the point I think I'm not getting it right and then I was like where have I seen Rich Delhi people a lot because I don't hang out with them like I mean maybe now I do but like at that point I had no


I do but like at that point I had no connection with like the rich Delhi folks right um so I never had any kind of communication with her and I was like where have I seen them where have I met them and the one thing I the one place I could think of was embody of them all well I had only been to I think at that point maybe twice that too because of college I was a nif and I remember being very uncomfortable because I was just surrounded by by people you were not carrying a shirt exactly I was just myself feeling uncomfortable just just trying to finish my work but I could like what I noticed there was these you know classy women with their designer bags everything that is designer with their nannies and their DDS and their drivers and everybody was someone to hold their bags and then they'll go get a coffee so that kind of culture had to go back into a tap into it right and then I realized that they always have someone to take care of


realized that they always have someone to take care of them and that someone becomes such an essential part of their lives they don't know how to function without them and that's where Sunita came from like this girl and even that Auntie cannot function without Sunita they don't know where everything Sunita never comes on screen yeah I mean Sunita is is a mystery nobody knows we don't know yeah but uh strangely enough you're not judgmental about uh either Auntie or Shania no I always say that I think their aspiration who would not want to be a South Delhi girl who would not want to fly in private jets and have a Sunita all the time I mean right and all those handbags did you notice how South Delhi aunties when you enter a room first check your bag check your shoes and then decide did you notice that it's so special to South Delhi I think yeah I don't think it's there anywhere else I mean you must have noticed it because up you


I mean you must have noticed it because up you know you were in fashion institute technology so these are things which are noticed immediately you know in Delhi yeah yeah it's a very Delhi thing because I feel like Delhi the way the people work here is like if you got it you flaunt it so they like to flaunt it they like to show it off and then they see whether other people are showing it off or not right or are they showing off real things or fake things so they are very yeah so they they their eye is very like sharp in those terms and I I'll give it to them they own it and I feel like that also see you have to realize that it comes from from years of research okay you have to understand the product really well for you to understand whether it's fake or real and I'll give it to them like if they've spent so much time working on that and research again don't you come on into it of course you can't acquire that snobbery


it of course you can't acquire that snobbery Essie uh I'm trying okay you're trying hard okay now let me before I this is my favorite topic so then I've said we'll talk about that and then we'll talk about how you got to that point right yeah okay so tell me your journey how did you start and where did you uh decide that okay this is what I wanted to do content making yeah I think content making was definitely uh you know how Bob Ross says a happy accident um I never thought of really making content as such uh I think for the longest time when I was growing up I always had this um cream and aspiration to do some sort of acting or some performance I I always knew that I belonged on this now you sound like I know but I never said it because I was also a very insecure child so I think I always kind of hit it inside of me I don't think I even said it to myself I have a diary where I've actually written


myself I have a diary where I've actually written down that I want to be famous but I don't think I can act so I think I'll sing it's a very bad thing okay so to tell your mom no never in fact my fam I'm it's such a weird um you know at home it's such a weird environment for me and my brother it's unconventional I would say that me and my brother both are very shy at home and we are very outgoing outside like in front of strangers because I feel like there's no inhibition because these strangers don't know you at school like these kids are going to know you just for those few hours and then you're gonna go back home at home though your mom is going to judge you and then she might say things which you might not have homework yeah exactly so that was always the typical of middle class families ever dare say that you want to go and join us and even if you try to perform okay so yeah so I


if you try to perform okay so yeah so I never said it out loud I think it was very internal for me then when I was in college I started a Blog which was a fashion I was always very college student passion college is really you wanted to get out of yeah for sure I think all small town people will relate at least at that point I really wanted to get out of that town and you know you feel like that I know but when you live in those places I think you don't realize how pretty it is I've only kind of started to Value it now when I have left you know when I now visit I'm like oh my God I grew up in this place like can you believe that sometimes I have to pinch myself okay but when you when I was growing up there for the longest also my family didn't travel much so honestly for the longest time I didn't know that I lived in a very Scenic Place I thought every place looked like that now I think


I thought every place looked like that now I think long ago if I'm not mistaken it was Preeti Zinta you know she's also from Simla from yeah she is yeah yeah it was the same thing that you you take the hills for granted because they're around you and in the movies also you see all everything Scenic so you're like yeah the world must be Scenic and so I came to Delhi I definitely wanted to get out because opportunities were here in the big cities and I came to kiranimal college I did my political science honors why Paul science like um I always was interested history I mean that's what I told my parents I want to do epsc you know in quotes because I had to get out of the house I had to project something this is what my dream is and I'm gonna break it and make it and I'm gonna come in this red Lal batti Wala Gadi one day and you know like collected yeah exactly I have to pitch some dream to them so


exactly I have to pitch some dream to them so that they'll let me get out of that place right because my father was like if you're gonna do a simple ba might as well do it from you and he was very disappointed that I didn't take science okay he was very disappointed that I didn't even take Commerce for that matter so Arts he was like yeah he was like honestly I really could not care less and I know I I got that a lot when I mean I'm from a family of doctors and all that so I was like a child said ticket 21 22. you get a lot of that yeah oh God okay yeah anyway similar situation so I had to kind of get out of that and I decided to do honors in political science which was a great subject I always liked it but I always also knew that I'm not going to take it Forward because my heart lies somewhere else although I didn't know where exactly it lies and what am I going to do about it yeah


and what am I going to do about it yeah I was in kirorial college I didn't even join the theater group there which is so famous players right where people like Amitabh Bachchan yeah yeah everybody has come out of that so on a part of me regrets that but I'm okay like I've grown up okay and I've evolved from that time I have more confident now um then I took a gap year tried to do cat you know how everybody was trying for of course yeah I joined the same queue and I was standing there for your crying my eyes out then my parents themselves were like you know we don't think you're happy we can see that you're a little depressed why don't you do something that you like okay um and I found this course in nift which was Masters and management and I thought this would be a good mix of MBA and fashion and something that comes together beautifully although when I did join and I I was good at it but I when I did


I was good at it but I when I did join I realized ah I don't know I don't want to do this anymore I I don't know much about fashion but I think you're always well dressed and you're always fashion points are always on the market right but but yeah I'm not the management yeah because I think it was not creative enough for me uh okay A lot of it was management was you know making sheets and numbers yeah a lot of number game and I'm not very good at that I don't enjoy that a lot so I realized that because this is not it yeah and then I try to get into styling that's when I joined idea so when I was in nift it was my last semester and we as a student you have to do a project outside right and I joined ID was an intern as a styling intern they made me write also so I became a writer slash styling intern um and they liked me a lot I liked them a lot so they offered me


lot I liked them a lot so they offered me a job uh which wasn't that great as an offer because I'd done my masters um so I did sit for places not great money tons of money yeah place was amazing I mean I made so many friends I was enjoying my time but you had to sustain yourself right my parents are obviously from uh you know we come from humble beginnings and I had a loan on my head education loan and I had rent to pay here everything so obviously you know you have to consider these things you always take PG I was staying in a flat yeah in Gotham nugget and uh like a tiny but let me tell you this you're staying in Gautam nagar which is where Shahrukh Khan lived you studied in kirodimal which is where Amitabh Bachchan boss you are going to become the next big thing can you believe that I've only just found out that Shahrukh lived in the same yeah yeah same Gully yeah literally


in the same yeah yeah same Gully yeah literally the same Lane I had never I had no idea okay uh but I mean I I feel like God is saying something to me yeah I think that as a sign okay uh but yeah then I I did get a job from my college placements that they offered me better money and better position but you know your heart really like it was just like um I was very torn between the two options that I had one was ideaver lesser money but my heart lies there then the you know the rational choice that you would make is better money and better job but something about idea was just calling me and I went there and I decided to be like you know what I I obviously requested them to increase a little more just just just you know touch this level and I'll come and we did that and I joined them right away um and it was so funny that within I think the first week or 10 days of me joining there as a styling um you know now


me joining there as a styling um you know now and obviously a junior stylist and a writer um we started making videos and we got into a contract as a platform with Facebook um and we had to do about 80 minutes of video content every week and we consider this we have no no Talent no no actors no producer no director uh we have a small Studio on the Terrace that's it and all these platforms ideaba men's XP India times all of them together have to make a lot of video content so what do we do we pull everyone in we throw them in front of the camera and we just try to make random videos literally that's how it started so it was all improv it was all improv it was not a part of our job it was not even a part of our Kiara in the beginning we are still finishing our job like I'm still doing my articles all of us Kusha everyone still writing our articles doing the timelines all of that then running to the studio getting our


all of that then running to the studio getting our makeup done jumping in front of the camera doing whatever you can do in that moment but that whole group which you know putting together the content very bindass and very yeah I mean so many girls you know and we always fun groups it was a very fun group we always hopefully uplifted each other it was such a nice place to be in because everybody was together and we would think of ideas and improv most of it was improv then I would I slowly turned into a producer so I would sit on the edits and you know obviously bring them to a crisper version of the video because there was so much of footage because we were just like there was no script right we would just keep saying things and whatever was funny about keep and that's how South Delhi started because we were literally trying out different ideas everything how many of you were from South Delhi living in South Delhi at that stage none of us none of you none of us


stage none of us none of you none of us okay Kusha and I did so Daddy we were the two South Delhi girls and I was I was I'm not even from Delhi kosha was she has lived all her life in pitampura and she was and that at that point you guys did that no she did both um and Shivani did West Delhi she was not from Westerly also so basically none of us belong to the places we were trying to and it was just observation observation yeah and I think after a point me and Kusha both started doing our research as well we've talked to more people from South Delhi we would go to parties and observe a little bit later on the way she would do that that I got this PRP done yeah and you know and you're that uh shivoham yeah exactly I've seen it so much right and obviously in the best terms people really you know they have so much faith and everything and I could see that a lot of southerly


and I could see that a lot of southerly people have you know have chosen their guiding lights in life and they follow someone um so we did a take on that and Shiva Shivam also came through like that I think Kusha I think had met someone who had a party who did that you know and so that she picked that up yeah and I think she met that person years back like sometimes when she was in college so a lot of it obviously came from memory new observations mix of everything there was Santa who was a creative director who obviously was the reigning um you know but it's not easy you know Dolly you you got the pronunciation of all those fashion names perfectly oh we would always research okay we would always like even if like either someone would correct me or we'd Google what the correct pronunciation is or how the soundary folks are pronouncing it so we did after the point because it did become a big property for us uh we started putting a lot more work into it


uh we started putting a lot more work into it we started writing our scripts soon it became a more official thing um I turned into a full-time producer I was directing videos as well so it was a lot of fun and I think that's where my whole love of this you know journey of content creation started and I could see myself enjoying that a lot more than I was enjoying the writing or The Styling bit so where did this Raju Ki mummy come from oh God she's like how can you do South Delhi and then wow of a character I'm trying to put on rajaki mummy I think comes from within no that's it for sure trust me because it is absolutely 98 based on my mother no okay yes she denied it for the longest time now she owns it because it's a loved character in the beginning she was like I don't sound like that I've never done that but we did a random video which was you know a a collection of how mothers react when guests


a a collection of how mothers react when guests come over it was an idea I pitched because I could I have I'd seen my mother be such a double-faced person like you know in front of us she'd be like I'll whack you and this and that and in front of a guest who's like are they my kids and me we are such a loving family and you are welcome why don't you have more tea you know like you suddenly become the sausage suddenly the eyes will say something else you know because I have seen in my life my mother was never called by her name she was always by her friends by the neighbors called as Dolly Ki mummy or anmol Ki mummy is my brother so I could see that women in this class in middle class in general a lot of times they don't have their own identities either they are someone's wife or someone's mother um and I know it's funny but it it's also real emotional a lot of things which you did were funny but


a lot of things which you did were funny but funny at the upper level exactly and when you think about it so much meaning to what you were doing so that you know that I I there was one thing that I remember you you know this Chapel at Raju it was and then somebody uh who is it I think um there was an actor who said that white Apple exactly I was like you know my um you understand where that comes from because you understand The Angst you understand a middle class mother trying to juggle so many things yeah bringing up kids and disciplining the kid Raju is of course running all over the place not doing his thing clearly right and the mother doing it but I I saw where you were coming from I saw that that there's no I think there's a lot of realizations that has happened even as an adult to me where I realized where my mother was coming from a lot of times we have such strained relationships with our mother growing up especially women uh