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[ILUG] doolin
If you're not in Doolin, beg, borrow, or steal your way there before
the LBW folk depart. It's far too much fun.
Cheers,
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Re: [ILUG] find the biggest file
Inn Share's [shareinnn@yahoo.com] 22 lines of wisdom included:
>
> Hi,all:
>
> Does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my
> root directory?or the second biggest ..etc...
>
> Because I want to find out what is the reason cause my
> root all most full.
$ find /dir -name \* | xargs du -s | sort -n
Smallest files are listed first with the largest at the end. So if
you want to get the 5 largest files, pipe through tail.
e.g.
$ find /dir -name \* | xargs du -s | sort -n | tail -5
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Re: [ILUG] find the biggest file
Philip Reynolds wrote:
>>Does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my
>>root directory?or the second biggest ..etc...
> $ find /dir -name \* | xargs du -s | sort -n
You might want to put a '-type f' on that find.
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Re: [ILUG] converting strings of hex to ascii
On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, David Neary wrote:
> > Actually the following would be in some way sensible:
> > echo -e "`echo "$enc" | sed 's/%\([0-9a-fA-F]\{2,2\}\)/\\\x\1/g'`"
>
> Why {2,2}? Why not {2}?
no idea.
the above was something along the lines i was attempting, once i
realised it was a straight swap. but i couldnt get awk's gensub to
insert the \x for %'s and ='s.
anyway, in the end i found something on the internet and adapted it:
function decode_url (str, hextab,i,c,c1,c2,len,code) {
# hex to dec lookup table
hextab ["0"] = 0; hextab ["8"] = 8;
hextab ["1"] = 1; hextab ["9"] = 9;
hextab ["2"] = 2; hextab ["A"] = 10;
hextab ["3"] = 3; hextab ["B"] = 11;
hextab ["4"] = 4; hextab ["C"] = 12;
hextab ["5"] = 5; hextab ["D"] = 13;
hextab ["6"] = 6; hextab ["E"] = 14;
hextab ["7"] = 7; hextab ["F"] = 15;
decoded = "";
i = 1;
len = length (str);
while ( i <= len ) {
c = substr (str, i, 1);
# check for usual start of URI hex encoding chars
if ( c == "%" || c == "=" ) {
if ( i+2 <= len ) {
# valid hex encoding?
c1 = toupper(substr(str, i+1, 1));
c2 = toupper(substr(str, i+2, 1));
if ( !(hextab [c1] == "" && hextab [c2] == "") ) {
code = 0 + hextab [c1] * 16 + hextab [c2] + 0
c = sprintf ("%c", code)
i = i + 2
}
}
# + is space apparently
} else if ( c == "+" ) {
c = " "
}
decoded = decoded c;
++i;
}
return decoded
}
> Cheers,
> Dave.
> PS the late reply is because the footer on the original mail (If
> you received this mail in error yadda yadda) got caught in my
> spam filter, and ended up in my junkmail directory.
he he...
might not have been the footer - check my headers. :)
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RE: [ILUG] doolin
Might just take a trip over there later tomorrow, it is after all only
on my backdoor-step...
E.
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From: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie] On Behalf Of
Ronan Waide
Sent: 27 August 2002 21:19
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Subject: [ILUG] doolin
If you're not in Doolin, beg, borrow, or steal your way there before the
LBW folk depart. It's far too much fun.
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[ILUG] Using Normal IDE Device with a Dell Latitude CPx laptop
Hi,
I've got an normal 3.5" CD-RW IDE drive that I'd like to be able to use with a
Dell Latitude CPx laptop that I've got. Does anyone know any way to enable this,
for example through the use of a special cable for the Modular Bay (where CD-ROM
or floppy drive is normally).
There is also the possibility of using a docking station, but Dell's docking
solution for the Latitude series doesn't seem to allow for the use of an IDE
drive, only SCSI... Unless someone knows of a "non-Dell" solution that's
compatible.
Anyone any ideas?
Thanks,
Darren.
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Re: [ILUG] Using Normal IDE Device with a Dell Latitude CPx laptop
Darren Kenny wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've got an normal 3.5" CD-RW IDE drive that I'd like to be able to use
> with a Dell Latitude CPx laptop that I've got. Does anyone know any way
> enable this, for example through the use of a special cable for the
> Modular Bay (where CD-ROM or floppy drive is normally).
There is absolutely no way to use a conventional 3.5" drive with a
laptop directly. However, you can get an external firewire or USB
cradle and attach it to the laptop like that, and any 3.5" drive
will work in that case.
Example :
http://www.microsense.com/USB_35_combo.asp
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Re: [ILUG] find the biggest file
Philip Reynolds wrote:
> Inn Share's [shareinnn@yahoo.com] 22 lines of wisdom included:
> >
> > Hi,all:
> >
> > Does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my
> > root directory?or the second biggest ..etc...
> >
> > Because I want to find out what is the reason cause my
> > root all most full.
>
> $ find /dir -name \* | xargs du -s | sort -n
>
> Smallest files are listed first with the largest at the end. So if
> you want to get the 5 largest files, pipe through tail.
Adding -r to the sort options, and piping through head instead,
might be a better idea. tail needs to read teh whole buffer, head
only reads the first n lines.
Cheers,
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Re: [ILUG] Using Normal IDE Device with a Dell Latitude CPx laptop
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 11:38:00PM +0100, Vincent Cunniffe mentioned:
> There is absolutely no way to use a conventional 3.5" drive with a
> laptop directly. However, you can get an external firewire or USB
> cradle and attach it to the laptop like that, and any 3.5" drive
> will work in that case.
Ah, they told me that about my A1200. Just got a video box, cut air holes
and a hole for the cables, then got an extra-long 2.5" to 3.5" IDE cable,
and connected it up. Had to make a few holes in the A1200 case for the
IDE cable too.
Worked a charm. Until I dropped the disk one day onto concrete.
Kate
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[ILUG] [OT] Dell machine giving me hassle.
Ok, Iknow this is blatantly OT but I'm beginning to go insane.
Had an old Dell Dimension XPS sitting in the corner and decided to
put it to use, I know it was working pre being stuck in the
corner, but when I plugged it in, hit the power nothing happened.
I opened her up and had a look and say nothing much. A little orange
LED comes on when I plug her in but that's it, after some googling
I found some reference to re-seating all the parts, but no change.
The problem I'm having is that since the power supply is some Dell
specific one, ATX block with what looks like one of the old AT
power connectors, I cant figure out weather this is a Mobo prob
or a PSU prob. Just to futily try and drag this back OT, I want
to install Linux on it when I get it working. If anyone knows
what the problem might be give me a shout.
Cheers,
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Re: [ILUG] Using Normal IDE Device with a Dell Latitude CPx laptop
John P. Looney wrote:
>>There is absolutely no way to use a conventional 3.5" drive with a
>>laptop directly.
> Ah, they told me that about my A1200.
>
> Worked a charm. Until I dropped the disk one day onto concrete.
Go on. Tell them how long the /first/ one lasted.
I vote external firewire if the laptop has the ports for it.
Paul.
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FW: [ILUG] Using Normal IDE Device with a Dell Latitude CPx lapto p
I vote usb 1.1 as the chances are the cdr drive is not over 8x write and
thus fireware is of no real use...
but i cant see how you are going to get it working without a cradle. I cant
even get my dell laptop dvd drive to work
as the connectors are not the same as my cd drive ones.. seems dell cant
keep any standards going :-(
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 28 August 2002 09:32
To: ilug@linux.ie
Subject: Re: [ILUG] Using Normal IDE Device with a Dell Latitude CPx
laptop
John P. Looney wrote:
>>There is absolutely no way to use a conventional 3.5" drive with a
>>laptop directly.
> Ah, they told me that about my A1200.
>
> Worked a charm. Until I dropped the disk one day onto concrete.
Go on. Tell them how long the /first/ one lasted.
I vote external firewire if the laptop has the ports for it.
Paul.
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RE: [ILUG] [OT] Dell machine giving me hassle.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aherne Peter-pahern02 [mailto:peter.aherne@motorola.com]
> Sent: 28 August 2002 09:29
> To: 'ilug@linux.ie'
> Subject: [ILUG] [OT] Dell machine giving me hassle.
>
> Ok, Iknow this is blatantly OT but I'm beginning to go insane.
> Had an old Dell Dimension XPS sitting in the corner and decided to
> put it to use, I know it was working pre being stuck in the
> corner, but when I plugged it in, hit the power nothing happened.
> I opened her up and had a look and say nothing much. A little orange
> LED comes on when I plug her in but that's it, after some googling
> I found some reference to re-seating all the parts, but no change.
> The problem I'm having is that since the power supply is some Dell
> specific one, ATX block with what looks like one of the old AT
> power connectors, I cant figure out weather this is a Mobo prob
> or a PSU prob. Just to futily try and drag this back OT, I want
> to install Linux on it when I get it working. If anyone knows
> what the problem might be give me a shout.
Here is what you do.
Remove all the PCI & ISA/EISA cards.
Remove the floppy disk cable from the mobo, the ide cables from the mobo...
essentially leaving only a video card... ram and a keyboard plugged in.
Turn on the system.
If it doesn't POST then, switch it off and remove the video card.
Switch it back on ... if your mobo doesn't emit some beeps complaining about
lack of video card then.
Switch it off.
Remove it's ram.
Same procedure as above.
If you still don't have any kind of mobo beep codes then you can try as a
last ditch effort to reseat the cpu... (remembering to never ever ever power
up your system without a heatsink & fan).
If after reseating the cpu into the mobo... you still get no beep codes,
from it with just the cpu inserted into the mobo ie(no pci,*isa cards or and
no actual ide or floppy cables connected to the system)... even though you
have power... you either have a faulty motherboard or a faulty cpu.
Once you get beep codes various permutations of the above should eventually
disjunct which device it is, is causing the lack of POST.
Power On Self Test.
Bod
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RE: [ILUG] [OT] Dell machine giving me hassle.
> > Ok, Iknow this is blatantly OT but I'm beginning to go insane.
> > Had an old Dell Dimension XPS sitting in the corner and decided to
> > put it to use, I know it was working pre being stuck in the
> > corner, but when I plugged it in, hit the power nothing happened.
> > I opened her up and had a look and say nothing much. A little orange
> > LED comes on when I plug her in but that's it, after some googling
> > I found some reference to re-seating all the parts, but no change.
> > The problem I'm having is that since the power supply is some Dell
> > specific one, ATX block with what looks like one of the old AT
> > power connectors, I cant figure out weather this is a Mobo prob
> > or a PSU prob. Just to futily try and drag this back OT, I want
> > to install Linux on it when I get it working. If anyone knows
> > what the problem might be give me a shout.
Ie if you are getting a little orange LED when you plug it in then your PSU
is probably working.
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Re: [ILUG] directory merging
John P. Looney wrote:
> I've two directories, that once upon a time contained the same files.
>
> Now, they don't.
>
> Is there a tool to merge the two - create a new directory where if the
> files are the same, they aren't changed, if they are different, the one
> with the most recent datestamp is used...
Just for the record mc has a nice directory
comparison function. This is really nice
when using the ftp VFS for e.g. Of course
if you use something like ftpfs you can use
the previously mentioned tools.
P�draig.
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[ILUG] PPPD disconnects on me!
Hello folks!
I'm new to Linux, so here goes...
I've been trying to get connected to the outside world through my modem.
I've got Debian with kernel 2.4.18.
I've got this Win-Modem(yes, I know) and managed to locate a proper driver
for it.
Minicom is very much able to dial out.
But there seems to be a problem with my PPPD installation.
When I type 'ppp' in the minicom terminal, all I get (after the initial info
of my dynamic IP, etc) is a ~ and then the NO CARRIER signal.
Then I looked into calling pppd directly using chat.
I used this command: pppd call Provider (where Provider is some script
somewhere).
It dials, it connects, it sends my username & password, and when connection
is established, it gives the SIGHUP signal and exits.
This is confirmed when me friend and I tried to connect through a serial
port using pppd to connect ttyS0. I ran pppd waiting for a connection, me
friend tried connecting and as soon as he did, pppd exited.
Some expert help would be greatly appreciated as I'm sick and tired of
having to reboot, get into Windoze to hook up to the net and then back to
Linux, mounting this drive to get that file, etc. It'd be nice never have
to go back to Windoze(except for games, that is).
Thanks a million.
Carlos
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Re: [ILUG] converting strings of hex to ascii
Paul Jakma wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2002, David Neary wrote:
>
> > > Actually the following would be in some way sensible:
> > > echo -e "`echo "$enc" | sed 's/%\([0-9a-fA-F]\{2,2\}\)/\\\x\1/g'`"
> >
> > Why {2,2}? Why not {2}?
>
> the above was something along the lines i was attempting, once i
> realised it was a straight swap. but i couldnt get awk's gensub to
> insert the \x for %'s and ='s.
Perl's pack() would do the job...
> > PS the late reply is because the footer on the original mail (If
> > you received this mail in error yadda yadda) got caught in my
> > spam filter, and ended up in my junkmail directory.
>
> might not have been the footer - check my headers. :)
Actually, it was worse - a bodycheck showed up a "remove" URL. I
need a new spam filter (but I want to be able to process false
positives, rather than dump them).
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Re: [ILUG] find the biggest file
Inn Share wrote:
> Hi,all:
>
> Does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my
> root directory?or the second biggest ..etc...
>
> Because I want to find out what is the reason cause my
> root all most full.
>
> The system is Solaris 8 Sparc.
>
> Thanks !!!
I think everybody has their own version of this,
but in case it's useful.. (only tested on Linux):
find $* \( -type f -o -type l \) -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -print0 |
xargs -r0 du -b --max-depth 0 |
sort -k1n |
grep -v "^0"
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Re: [ILUG] find the biggest file
Inn Share <shareinnn@yahoo.com> writes:
> Hi,all:
>
> Does anyone know how to list the biggest file in my
> root directory?or the second biggest ..etc...
>
> Because I want to find out what is the reason cause my
> root all most full.
find / -xdev -type f -exec du -sk {} \; | sort -rn | head -5
-xdev will stop find recursing into other filesystems.
Cheers
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Re: [ILUG] converting strings of hex to ascii
David Neary wrote:
> Padraig Brady wrote:
>
>>>Paul Jakma wrote:
>>>
>>>>chars in hex to plain ASCII?
>>>>
>>>>eg given
>>>> http://w%77%77%2Eo%70%74%6F%72%69um.n%65t/remove.html
>>>>
>>>>is there an easy way to turn it into
>>>>
>>>> http://www.optorium.net/remove.html
>>>>eg, whether by piping through some already available tool, or
>>>>programmatically (printf? - but i dont see how.).
>>>
>>Actually the following would be in some way sensible:
>>echo -e "`echo "$enc" | sed 's/%\([0-9a-fA-F]\{2,2\}\)/\\\x\1/g'`"
>
>
> Why {2,2}? Why not {2}?
Me being silly, that's all.
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Re: [ILUG] [OT] Dell machine giving me hassle.
I'm not familiar with Dell Dimension XPS, and, to be honest, not familiar
with any brand-name computers. Most of my experience is China
motherboards, but I've seen same behavior once. Changing the battery helps
that time. It was big round battery with 'Panasonic' on it.
Computer starts beeping then we removed battery from MB. It even booted up
(well, loosing time and some other things).
Just my 2 cents.
Misha
On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Aherne Peter-pahern02 wrote:
> Ok, Iknow this is blatantly OT but I'm beginning to go insane.
> Had an old Dell Dimension XPS sitting in the corner and decided to
> put it to use,
<snip>
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Re: [ILUG] Newbie seeks advice - Suse 7.2
On Fri, Aug 23, 2002 at 09:26:47AM +0100, Padraig Brady wrote:
[...]
> probably a bit old, 7.3 and 8.0 are out.
And I've been told by a SuSE rep that 8.1 will be out in October,
for those who are interested.
David
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ALSA (almost) made easy
Hi all,
I've decided at last to test the ALSA sound drivers. As usual the result is
that I've spent much more time repackaging the darn thing than actually
testing the functionalities or trying to hear the great sound quality
people seem to think it outputs... but hey, some of you will benefit from
that, right? ;-)
I've got the whole thing working on a Valhalla system, but the packages
should easily install or at least recompile on Enigma, Limbo/(null) and
maybe others, who knows ;-)
Here are quick instructions for those of you that wish to try it out :
- Recompile the "alsa-driver" source rpm for your running kernel
(you can install the binary package if you're using the i686 2.4.18-10)
- Install this "alsa-driver" package
- Install the "alsa-libs" package
- Install the "alsa-utils" package
Now go to this URL and find out what you need to change in your
/etc/modules.conf file to replace the default OSS driver loading :
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
(very complete and very good documentation!)
Hopefully you'll see that your card *is* supported ;-)
Reboot, or remove by hand your current sound modules (you'll probably need
to stop many applications to free the sound resource...) "by hand" and
insert the new ones. If all is well you've got ALSA working! ("dmesg" to
check is a good idea), you now just need to adjust the volume levels with
e.g. aumix and alsamixer because everything is muted by default.
With "aplay" you can already test files to see if you hear anything. You
can also install the XMMS plugin (seems to make my XMMS segfault on exit...
hmmm, but maybe it's another plugin) to listen to your good ol' mp3
files... that's it!
It really isn't complicated, and has never been from what I see. The only
thing I disliked was to have to install from source... but as I can't
imagine myself doing that ;-) I've repackaged everything cleanly. Even the
/dev entries are included in the rpm package (and *not* created by an ugly
%post script, I insist!) and seamlessly integrate into the /etc/makedev.d
structure. There are also a few other noticeable differences with the
default provided ALSA spec files, for example I've split alsa-lib's
development files into an alsa-lib-devel package and included static
libraries... there are others of course (oh yes, the kernel version against
which the "alsa-driver" package is compiled gets neatly integrated in the
rpm release, so does the architecture!).
I'm open to any comments or suggestions about these packages!
Download :
http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/testing/alsa/
Current spec files :
http://freshrpms.net/builds/alsa-driver/alsa-driver.spec
http://freshrpms.net/builds/alsa-lib/alsa-lib.spec
http://freshrpms.net/builds/alsa-utils/alsa-utils.spec
(All others, patches etc. : http://freshrpms.net/builds/ )
Matthias
PS: As an extra bonus, I've also recompiled xine with alsa support! Simply
run "xine -A alsa09" and off you go! It may even support 5.1 and S/PDIF ;-)
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Patch to enable/disable log
While I was playing with the past issues, it annoyed me that there was
no easy way to make the log stop growing (I don't mean to truncate it,
I mean to just freeze it for a while).
The following patch adds a new button to the log window, which allows
the log to be switched on/off (the button says "Disable" when the
log is enabled, and the button disables it, and "Enable" when the log
is frozen, and the button enables it again).
kre
--- main.tcl Wed Aug 21 15:01:48 2002
+++ /usr/local/lib/exmh-2.5/main.tcl Wed Aug 28 17:36:59 2002
@@ -385,6 +385,9 @@
ExmhLogCreate
wm withdraw $exmh(logTop)
}
+ if {! $exmh(logWrite)} {
+ return
+ }
if [info exists exmh(log)] {
catch {
# $exmh(log) insert end " [bw_delta] "
@@ -407,6 +410,9 @@
set exmh(logWindow) 1
Exwin_Toplevel .log "Exmh Log" Log
set exmh(logTop) .log
+ set exmh(logDisableBut) \
+ [Widget_AddBut $exmh(logTop).but swap "Disable" ExmhLogToggle]
+ set exmh(logWrite) 1
Widget_AddBut $exmh(logTop).but trunc "Truncate" ExmhLogTrunc
Widget_AddBut $exmh(logTop).but save "Save To File" ExmhLogSave
set exmh(logYview) 1
@@ -457,6 +463,12 @@
} msg] {
Exmh_Status "Cannot save log: $msg" error
}
+}
+proc ExmhLogToggle {} {
+ global exmh
+
+ set exmh(logWrite) [expr ! $exmh(logWrite)]
+ $exmh(logDisableBut) configure -text [lindex {"Enable " Disable} $exmh(logWrite)]
}
#### Misc
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[zzzzteana] Compensation for World's youngest mother
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/americas/08/26/peru.mother.reut/index.html
LIMA, Peru (Reuters) -- Lina Medina's parents thought their 5-year-old daughter had a huge abdominal tumor and when shamans in their remote village in Peru's Andes could find no cure, her father carried her to hospital.
Just over a month later, she gave birth to a boy.
Aged 5 years, seven months and 21 days old when her child was born by Caesarean section in May 1939, Medina made medical history, and is still the youngest known mother in the world.
At the time, Peru's government promised aid that never materialized. Six decades on, Medina lives with her husband in a cramped house in a poor, crime-ridden district of the Peruvian capital known as "Little Chicago."
Now 68, she keeps herself to herself and has long refused requests to rake up the past. Gerardo, the son she delivered while still a child herself, died in 1979 at the age of 40.
But a new book, written by an obstetrician who has been interested in her case, has drawn fresh attention to Medina's story, and raised the prospect that the Peruvian government may belatedly offer her financial and other assistance.
"The government condemned them to live in poverty. In any other country, they would be the objects of special care," Jose Sandoval, author of "Mother Aged 5," told Reuters.
"We still have time to repair the damage done to her. That's my fundamental objective," he added.
'Totally willing to help'
Sandoval has raised Medina's case with the office of first lady Eliane Karp, and has asked the government to grant her a life pension -- something officials say is possible.
"We're totally willing to help her," said spokeswoman Marta Castaneda. But Suni Ramos, of the social action department of Karp's office, said that before the government could grant her a pension or any other of the aid it was already planning -- such as kitchen and other household equipment -- it needed to talk to her to discuss what she wanted and needed. It is currently trying to contact Medina and her family.
Medina's husband, Raul Jurado, told Reuters his wife remained skeptical. "She got no help (in 1939) that I know about," he said. "She thinks governments never deliver. Maybe today there will be a promise that will never come true."
Jurado said his wife, whose story is a medical textbook classic and whose case is confirmed as true by such bodies as the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, had turned down Reuters' request for an interview.
Medical rarity
No one has ever established who was the father of Medina's child, or confirmed she became pregnant after being raped.
One of nine children born to country folk in Ticrapo, an Andean village at an altitude of 7,400 feet (2,250 meters) in Peru's poorest province, Medina is believed to be the youngest case of precocious puberty in history, Sandoval said.
He said she had her first period at 2 1/2, became pregnant aged 4 years and eight months and that when doctors performed the Caesarean to deliver her baby, they found she already had fully mature sexual organs.
Her swelling stomach worried her parents. "They thought it was a tumor," he said. But shamans ruled out village superstitions -- including one in which locals believed a snake grew inside a person until it killed them -- and recommended they take her to hospital in the nearest big town, Pisco.
There came the staggering diagnosis that she was pregnant.
Her father was jailed temporarily on suspicion of incest -- he was later released for lack of evidence -- and doctors, police and even a film crew set off for her village for preliminary investigations into her case.
Sandoval, who based his book on media and other published information, and some interviews with relatives as Medina herself declined to comment, said news of the child mother-to-be drew instant offers of aid, including one worth $5,000 from a U.S. businessman, which was turned down.
More offers followed after Medina was transferred to a Lima hospital, where her fully developed 6-pound (2.7 kg) baby was born on May 14, 1939 -- Mother's Day.
One offer was worth $1,000 a week, plus expenses, for Medina and her baby to be exhibited at the World's Fair in New York. Another, from a U.S. business that the family accepted in early June 1939, was for the pair to travel to the United States for scientists to study the case. The offer included setting up a fund to ensure their lifelong financial comfort.
But within days, the state trumped all previous offers, decreeing that Medina and her baby were in "moral danger," and resolving to set up a special commission to protect them.
But Sandoval said: "It abandoned the case after six months ...It did absolutely nothing for them."
Happy ending?
Though physically mature, Medina -- who Sandoval said was mentally normal and showed no other unusual medical symptoms -- still behaved like a child, preferring to play with her dolls instead of the new baby, who was fed by a wet nurse.
Medina stayed in hospital for 11 months, finally returning to her family after it began legal proceedings that led to a Supreme Court ruling allowing her to live with them again.
After taunting from schoolmates, Gerardo -- who was named after one of the doctors who attended Medina and became their mentor -- discovered when he was 10 that the woman he had grown up believing to be his sister was in fact his mother.
He died in 1979 from a disease that attacks the body's bone marrow, but Sandoval said it was not clear there was any link with his illness and the fact his mother had been so young.
Medina married and in 1972 had a second son, 33 years after her first. Her second child now lives in Mexico.
She appears to have turned her bizarre story into a taboo subject. "We just want to get on with our lives, that's it," said Jurado, adding he thought "absolutely nothing" of the fact his wife was the world's youngest mother.
He said the couple's main concern now, if the government's offer of aid was genuine, was to be granted the value of a property that belonged to Medina and which the then-government expropriated more than two decades ago. That house has now been destroyed and there is a road on the site.
He said its value was "more or less $25,000" and settling the property question would conclude a long legal battle to get back a home of their own -- they live now in a modest house, accessed down a dingy alley half blocked by a wooden board, in a tough neighborhood known to locals as a thieves' paradise.
"If the government really wants to help...they should give us the value of our property," he said.
As for Sandoval, he said he was optimistic that Medina's story, which he has studied since his student days, would turn out well. "I believe there will be a happy ending," he said.
"As a result of the war, corporations have now been enthroned and an era
of corruption in high places will follow and the money-power of the
country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the
prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands
and the Republic is destroyed."
Abraham Lincoln (Nov 21, 1864 in a letter to Col. William F Elkins)
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[zzzzteana] RE:Pictish
Barbara wrote:
Pictish pictograms (still undeciphered)
-----------------------
I'd be interested in an update on the latest thinking on these things.
Particularly the 'swimming elephant' pictogram.
There's a book come out recently on the world's undeciphered scripts
(including Linear A and Etruscan).
Has any list member read it?
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[zzzzteana] Re: That wacky imam
--- In forteana@y..., "Martin Adamson" <martin@s...> wrote:
> For an alternative, and rather more factually based, rundown on
Hamza's
> career, including his belief that all non Muslims in Yemen should
be murdered
> outright:
>
> http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=ia&ID=IA7201
And we know how unbiased MEMRI is, don't we....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,773258,00.
html
Rob
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[zzzzteana] Lincs lizard
http://yorkshirepost.co.uk/scripts/editorial2.cgi?cid=news&aid=481687
2.5ft lizard 'abandoned' at resort
Holidaymakers at a seaside resort were stunned to find a 2.5ft lizard
sunning itself at a caravan park close to a beach.
The savannah monitor lizard was captured at Chapel St Leonards, Lincs, on
Sunday by a member of the public before being collected by an RSPCA team.
RSPCA officer Justin Stubbs, who took the lizard to a specialist carer,
said: "Savannah monitors can give a nasty bite and we certainly wouldn't
have wanted one loose in a busy holiday resort for long."
Officials believe the animal may have been abandoned by a private owner
because it has not been reported missing.
Savannah monitor lizards originate in Africa and are carnivorous, eating
rats and small rodents. They can grow to 4ft in length.
Anyone with information about the lizard can contact the RSPCA in confidence
on 08705 555 999.
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[zzzzteana] Hot rock
http://yorkshirepost.co.uk/scripts/editorial2.cgi?cid=news&aid=481620
Close encounter of burnt kind
IT came from outer space � or did it? Teenager Siobhan Cowton is convinced
the object which struck her as she climbed into the family car at her home
in Northallerton is extra-terrestrial.
But while her claims are being treated with a certain amount of studied
academic scepticism by experts in these matters, the 14-year-old schoolgirl
is adamant she was hit on the foot by a meteorite.
Siobhan initially thought there was a more prosaic explanation � that the
odd-looking stone had been thrown at her by a child,.
But on closer inspection, she discovered all was not as it seemed � because
it was hot when she picked it up. It hit her on a foot but caused no injury.
"I looked at it again and it had a black and grey colour with a shiny bubble
surface," she said.
After closer inspection by her father Niel, and comparison with pictures on
the Internet, Siobhan plans to ask scientists at Durham University to check
the object for authenticity.
If it is from outer space, Siobhan says she will consider putting it up for
auction.
She added: "If it isn't worth anything then I suppose I will keep it myself
for sentimental value. It is not every day that you are hit by a meteorite."
But Dr Ben Horton, a lecturer in physical geography, was the acme of
academic caution.
"Meteors have features that can be used to establish whether it is a piece
of extraterrestrial rock," he said.
"They have a very smooth surface but sometimes they have shallow depressions
and cavities. If they are hot, they should have a black ash like crust burnt
around the edge.
"Most are between five and 60 centimetres but five centimetres is the
smallest that they usually appear."
To establish the provenance of Siobhan's suspected meteorite it would have
to be subject to a mineral breakdown but Dr Horton thinks the chances of it
being extra-terrestrial are slim.
"Around 50,000 a year strike the Earth's surface and, considering the size
of the Earth, it is very unlikely to be a meteorite.
"However, there is a possibility and there is no reason it couldn't happen,"
he added.
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[zzzzteana] 'Lost' penguins found alive
Evening Standard - 28 August 2002
[Deft use of Fortean Unit of Measurement in 2nd para - MA]
'Lost' penguins found alive
by Charles Miranda
A colony of emperor penguins which was thought to have starved to death in
Antarctica has been found alive in a "big huddle".
The birds were spotted by the crew of a USAF jet returning to base in New
Zealand. Researchers had feared that a breakaway iceberg the size of Jamaica
had all but wiped out the colony at Cape Crozier on Ross Island.
Thousands of chicks are believed to have died as an increase in sea ice made
it impossible for the adults to find food. A detailed count is planned in
October. Antarctica (New Zealand) chief executive Lou Sanson said: "The
penguins were in a big huddle. We can now hope that the emperors have had a
successful breeding season over the winter."
Some 1,000 pairs of emperors - the largest penguins in the world at 3.3ft tall
and 88lb - usually nest at Cape Crozier, 50 miles from the US McMurdo research
station. The 200,000-strong Adelie penguin colony, which also nests at the
cape, may have lost up to third of its population.
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/home/dude
Hi,
some time now the following messages were haunting me:
automount[11593]: attempting to mount entry /home/dude
It just came to my attention, that only freshrpm benefitting hosts showed this
up. I grepped through the binaries and found referrences to /home/dude.
# grep /home/dude /usr/bin/*
Binary file /usr/bin/aaxine matches
Binary file /usr/bin/gentoo matches
Binary file /usr/bin/gphoto2 matches
Binary file /usr/bin/gtkam matches
...
I am now relaxed again ;), and pass this info on. Probably Matthias Saou
himself is "dude", and some package has hardwired a path in his build
directory. It would be nice to find out which and fix it, but I am using too
many of the freshrpm suite to narrow it down.
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[zzzzteana] Big cats 'on the increase'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2220922.stm
Big cats are on the loose in Britain and breeding their way towards record
numbers, a monitoring group has claimed.
The British Big Cats Society said it has received more than 800 reports of
animals including pumas, black panthers, leopards and so-called Fen tigers
over the past 12 months.
And while it admits that many sightings are of nothing more exotic than the
average moggy, it claims to have "firm evidence" that the majority are real.
Society founder Daniel Bamping told BBC News Online he could cope with the
critics and doubters, adding: "I was a sceptic, I thought it was in the same
realm as the Loch Ness monster.
"But it's not, they are really out there."
'Cats with cubs'
Mr Bamping said there have been reports of big cats from every corner of the
country.
Big cat reports
Hotspots include Scotland and Gloucestershire
January 2002 - Kent man clawed by suspected Lynx
November 2001 - farmer reports animals mauled by big cat
April 2001 - Lynx captured in north London
1999 - Puma-like cat attacks horse in Wales
"This weekend alone I have had sightings from Wales, the Scottish borders,
Kent, the West Midlands, Devon, Somerset and Wiltshire," he said.
The society claims some of the big cats are breeding with domestic animals.
But Mr Bamping said others, particularly lynx and puma, probably exist in
sufficient numbers to breed among themselves.
"We have had sightings of cats with cubs," he added.
'Trigger camera'
The society claims to have evidence proving the cats' existence, including
photographs, paw prints, sheep kills and hair samples.
But it knows it will have to do even more to convince a sceptical public
that it is not spinning them a shaggy cat story.
A national "trigger camera" project is planned which, the society hopes,
will provide footage to prove the existence of the big cats.
Mr Bamping said: "The idea is that the cat will walk past the camera and
take a picture of itself."
'Like dogs'
The society believes many of the sighting are of pets released into the
wild, or their descendants.
Its spokesman Danny Nineham said: "In the 1960s and 1970s, people had big
cats like leopards as pets and they used to walk them like dogs.
"But in 1976 when the Dangerous Wild Animals Act came into force, people
released their cats because they did not want to pay for a licence, put them
down, or take them to a zoo."
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[zzzzteana] US Army tests portable translator
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2219079.stm
US soldiers on peacekeeping duties in the future could find that a portable
translation device will be an essential part of their equipment.
Scientists at Carnegie Mellon University have developed a prototype of a
speech translator that was road-tested by US Army chaplains in Croatia.
"This project shows how a relatively simple speech-to-speech translation
system can be rapidly and successfully constructed using today's tools,"
said the team from Carnegie Mellon University in a research paper published
recently.
The research was commissioned by the US Army, which is increasingly finding
itself in peace-keeping roles where communication is key.
Speaking in tongues
"In the Balkans, the Army is not just supposed to conquer somebody," Robert
Frederking of Carnegie Mellon University told the BBC programme Go Digital.
Translators could be essential for US soldiers
"In a peacekeeping situation, you have two guys trying to beat each other up
and you are holding them apart.
"You can't just shot one of them, you have to figure what is going on and
talk to them," he said.
The portable translator was developed with a year, using commercially
available laptops.
The Army did not want to field-test the device in a battlefield situation.
So instead the translator was tested by US Army chaplains in Croatia.
"The chaplains very often end up having to talk to foreign nationals and
typically don't have any translation support," explained Mr Frederking.
Slow system
For the trials, the chaplains used the translator to speak to Croatians who
knew just a smattering of English.
The system works by having a speech recogniser that picks up the words in
Croatian, turns the speech into text. The written words are then translated
into English and read out by a speech synthesizer.
"It went reasonably well half the time," said Mr Frederking, though it was
slow in translating phrases.
The research team admit that the system is not ready to be deployed in the
field.
But they say their trials showed that a portable translator could be made to
work with further research and development.
The Audio Voice Translation Guide System project was a joint venture between
the US Army, the military manufacturer Lockheed Martin and Carnegie Mellon
University.
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[zzzzteana] Worryingly sophisticated bees
Ananova:�
Brazilian bees keep their own 'insect ranch'
Scientists have found a new species of bee that behaves like a farmer by
keeping herds of insects.
The Amazonian Schwarzula use their own 'insect ranches' to provide food and
building materials.
The bees nest in holes in trees alongside 200 aphid-like insects from a
species called cryptostigma.
Cryptostigma feed on tree sap and excrete a sugar solution, which the bees
stop them from drowning in, by licking it up and turning it into honey.
The insects also produce wax from glands on their backs, which the bees
scrape off and use for their nest.
Nature reports it is the first time farming behaviour has been discovered in
bees.
Biologist Joao Camargo, of the University of Sao Paulo in Brazil, said: "In
turn the bees provide the insects with sanitary benefits and protection."
Writing in the journal Biotropica, Camargo says the bees might even carry
their insect ranches around the forest with them and is planning further
research on how they tend to their herd.
Studies of the Schwarzula showed the bees seemed to get most of their sugar
from the insect farms. Some bees were seen licking human sweat for salt.
Story filed: 13:49 Wednesday 28th August 2002
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[zzzzteana] Betamax finally laid to rest
Not fortean, but a moment in time all the same...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/film/2220972.stm
Betamax video recorders are finally being phased out almost 20 years after
losing the battle for dominance of the home video market to VHS.
Betamax's manufacturer, Sony, has announced that it will make only 2,000
more machines for the Japanese market.
They have not been on sale in the rest of the world since 1998.
VHS became the dominant format by the mid-1980s
Betamax was launched in 1975, and won many fans who said it was better
quality than its VHS rival.
Some 2.3 million Betamax machines were sold worldwide in its peak year,
1984, but it soon went downhill as VHS became the format of choice for the
film rental industry and in homes.
Just 2,800 machines were sold in the 12 months to March 2002.
"With digital machines and other new recording formats taking hold in the
market, demand has continued to decline and it has become difficult to
secure parts," Sony said in a statement.
Sony said it would continue to offer repairs and manufacture tapes for the
format.
The professional Betamax format, Betacam, is still widely used in the
television and film industries and will be unaffected.
But the recent rise of DVDs seems to have put the final nail in the coffin
for Betamax home players.
In the 1980s, many video rental chains preferred the VHS format.
Betamax lovers became so passionate about the format in the face of
competition from VHS that they set up the Betaphile Club in 1988.
The picture and sound quality of Beta was superior to VHS, Betaphiles say,
although VHS tapes had a longer duration.
A total of 18 million Betamax machines were sold around the world, but no
new ones will be made after the end of 2002.
Sony is now planning to focus its efforts on new digital technologies.
See also:
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[ILUG] Hayes Accura ISDN PCI
Does anyone know if this is supported under 2.4.18 kernels or higher?
I need to buy an ISDN TA quick, and PC World have these in stock for �65.
Thanks,
David.
David Hamilton
Senior Technical Consultant
HP Ireland
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[ILUG] Modem Problems
ive just gotton myself a modem (no its not a winmodem, yes im sure) it dials
the internet grant using the RedHat PPP Dialer... and i can ping the server
i dial into but i cant get any furthur than that server? any ideas?
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Re: [zzzzteana] Re: That wacky imam
Martin Adamson wrote:>>And we know how unbiased MEMRI is, don't we....
>>
>
> Oh, of course, you're right, any information not coming from a source that
> fits your pre-conceived world view can simply be dismissed out of hand.
>
> Martin
>
For goddess' sake Martin that seems to be exactly what you're doing. You
started your reply to Tim's posting of the Guardian article by suggesting that
it was factually inaccurate. Did you actually read it or did you just assume
that if the Grauniad writes about a Muslim extremist they must be making him out
as an all round nice guy?
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[zzzzteana] Re: Cincinnati Group Wants To Stamp Out Hotel Sex Movies
>
>> (CNSNews.com) - A pro-family group in Cincinnati that has pressured
>> two area hotels to stop showing adult pay-per-view movies has vowed
>to
>> expand its grass- roots campaign nationwide.
>
>
>Quite right. And while they're at it, they can get that bunch of
>religious nuts to stop sneaking their book of hate and intolerence
>into the bedside cabinets, you know, that one with all the telephone
>humbers in it.
>
>Oh, and the Gideon Society can take their bibles back as well.
>
>RobinH
>
What are you talking about??? That book is where all the best free porn is!!
Piece of trivia: the thing is so pithy it floats!!
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Re: [zzzzteana] Save the planet, kill the people
the latest -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/2240487.stm
Friday, 6 September, 2002, 08:53 GMT 09:53 UK
Zimbabwe eases GM stance
Zimbabwe has dropped objections to accepting genetically modified (GM) grain
so that urgently-needed food aid can be delivered, says the UN food agency.
The executive director of the World Food Programme, James Morris, said
Zimbabwe's decision would send an important message to other countries in
the region which have refused food aid because it might contain GM grain.
Until now, Zimbabwe had said it would only allow aid workers to distribute
ground maize to allay fears that GM grain could be planted.
But a Zimbabwean minister says the government has now set up a system of
checks to ensure the grain will not enter the eco-system.
There have been fears that Southern African nations could lose lucrative
export markets in Europe if they cannot certify that their crops are
GM-free.
Aid
Mr Morris announced the policy reversal after talks in Harare with
Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe.
"The fact that they have now concluded that they are comfortable in
accepting GM crops or commodities will be an important signal to other
countries in the region," Mr Morris told journalists.
"It will enable us to do our job," he said.
Aid workers say up to 13 million people in seven countries in Southern
Africa face famine. In Zimbabwe which was once the bread basket of the
region, some six million people are estimated to need food aid.
The WFP says it already has aid pledges for about half of the 600,000 tonnes
of food it intends to bring into Zimbabwe in the next few months.
The government blames the shortages solely on drought, but the government's
campaign to transfer land from large scale commercial white farmers has
worsened the situation, say many donors.
Lost markets
The GM row has complicated relief efforts across the region.
Zambia's president is refusing to overturn his ban on GM food aid, labelling
it as 'poison' .
Deals to mill GM food before being distributed, so that it could not be
planted, have placated fears in Malawi and Mozambique.
United States aid officials deny that the food is unsafe, pointing out that
Americans eat GM maize every day.
The World Health Organisation has certified the grain for human consumption
and says it does not constitute a danger to people's health.
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[zzzzteana] Frog Fall at Cheapside
Near the end of his *Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the
Madness of Crowds* (1851), Charles Mackay discusses various catch phrases
briefly popular in mid-19th-century London. One of them, he observes,
"like a mushroom, seems to have sprung up in the night, or, like a frog in
Cheapside, to have come down in a sudden shower. One day it was unheard,
unknown, uninvented; the next it pervaded London."
Was "like a frog in Cheapside" (or something similar) a catch phrase
itself, or did Mackay come up with the simile on his own?
And to what event or events does it refer?
I didn't find anything relevant in Partridge's *A Dictionary of Catch
Phrases.*
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Re: [zzzzteana] Free Web Hosting?
Bill:
> I've decided that I ought to put some of my writing samples on-line for
> potential employers to mock. And I don't want to pay for it. There are still
> a couple dozen places to do this, do any of you have preferences?
>
Getting your own domain needn't be expensive, looks more professional, and
you're not going to suddenly lose your site with little or no notice (yes,
I'm still smarting from bastard Geocities). I registered mine through
http://www.easyspace.com/ - works out about a pound a week for registration
and 30Mb hosting. It's a valuable service, there's no reason not to expect
to pay.
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Re: [zzzzteana] FWD (TLCB) Jimmy Carter: The Troubling, New Face of America
Of course, everyone knows that Owlman is a work of fuggin` genius
J
> Hey, I met the wizard bloke from Owlman, who wants to touch me!!
>
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[zzzzteana] Scissors are a snip for Third World
The Times
September 06, 2002
Scissors are a snip for Third World
From Richard Owen in Rome
IT IS one of the unanswered questions of the past year: what happens to the
millions of nail scissors confiscated by airport security officials from
passengers� hand luggage? Most are thrown away or recycled after being seized
as part of security measures since September 11. But an enterprising chaplain
is sending them to Catholic missionaries for distribution to Third World
hospitals and clinics. In theory travellers who have left nail scissors, nail
files, corkscrews or manicure sets from their hand luggage can arrange for
them to be returned. In practice many just shrug and leave the scissors by the
X-ray scanners.
Father Arturo Rossini, chaplain of Malpensa airport in Milan, said that
scissors were costly or unavailable in many parts of Africa, Asia and Latin
America.
He told Corriere della Sera that he had �plucked up the courage� to ask the
authorities if he could have the confiscated scissors. With the help of a
retired airport policeman, he had packaged 60,000 nail scissors and manicure
sets, using the airport chapel as a packing centre.
Packages were shipped in aircraft holds to Peru, Brasil, India, Mozambique,
Argentina, Zambia and Kenya. �In such countries, what we think of as a
personal grooming accessory can be a vital tool.�
The idea has been taken up at other Italian airports.
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Re: [zzzzteana] Save the planet, kill the people
> Zimbabwe has dropped objections to accepting genetically modified (GM) grain
> so that urgently-needed food aid can be delivered, says the UN food agency.
Yes, confirming what I said in my last message. Ah! I see where the problem
lies! You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that Zimbabwe and
Zambia are the same country.
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Re: [zzzzteana] Save the planet, kill the people
Martin:
> Yes, confirming what I said in my last message. Ah! I see where the problem
> lies! You seem to be labouring under the misapprehension that Zimbabwe and
> Zambia are the same country.
>
No, that would be rather silly. There are conflicting reports on whether
Zambia is prepared to accept milled GM grain or not - and, from reports from
various sources, considerable debate within that country. There's complex
issues, not all of which can be dismissed by blaming those nasty
environmentalists, which was my original point.
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[zzzzteana] Hitler-style applicant welcomed by parties
The Times
September 06, 2002
Hitler-style applicant welcomed by parties
By Roger Boyes
MANAGERS of Germany�s political parties are having difficulty explaining their
enthusiastic reaction to a man who applied for membership with letters cribbed
largely from Mein Kampf, Hitler�s personal manifesto. The incident illustrates
how indiscriminate parties have become in taking on new members during an
election campaign, even when their sentiments bear a suspicious resemblance to
those of the F�hrer.
�Edmund Stoiber is a thousand times more suited to leading Germany than the
present Chancellor,� said one letter sent to the Christian Social Union
headquarters in Ingolstadt. �Chancellor Schr�der is doing nothing to stop the
flood of foreigners who are spreading around our Fatherland,� said the letter,
signed by a certain Rudolph Lewald.
The CSU immediately spotted a potential member. �Many thanks for your nice
thoughts,� replied the local party manager, who enclosed an application for
membership.
The letter used chunks of Hitler�s book, which is still banned in Germany.
History students have to apply for access to the book in university libraries.
�The strongest, the brave and the hardworking will receive the birthright of
existence, only those who are born weaklings could regard this as offensive,�
the letter-writer said. �So-called humanity is melting like snow in the March
sun.� Such phrases were lifted from Mein Kampf, which was written while Hitler
was in jail after the failed Munich putsch of 1923.
Similar letters, also using the Nazi leader�s words, were sent to the other
political parties and drew sympathetic responses. �I read your letter with
great interest and pleasure,� the manager of the Christian Democratic Union in
Cologne, said.
�Great that you want to join us!� enthused the Green Party headquarters. The
Free Democrats invited the aspiring party member to a fundraising charity ball
at which Hans- Dietrich Genscher, the former Foreign Minister, would be the
star guest. The Social Democrats sent a list of rallies to be attended by
Gerhard Schr�der, the Chancellor.
�I wanted to test how serious parties are about combating right-wing
extremism,� said the letter-writer, who was in fact the Cologne novelist
Rainer Popp. �I had no idea that they would be so enthusiastic.
�For the first few days I expected two men in leather coats from the Special
Branch to knock on my door. Instead only the postman called � with packets of
election material from zealous political headquarters,� Herr Popp said.
�I was stunned that political parties could react in this way � I reckon I
would have had the same response if I had signed the letter �Adolf Hitler�.�
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[ILUG] Flat rate is back lads!
Hi all,
Saw this on the register this morning,
http://theregister.co.uk/content/6/26983.html, and they support ISDN dual
channel. Whoo Hoo!
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Re: [ILUG] modem problems
Quoting Waider (waider@waider.ie):
> Niall Sheridan wrote:
> | A power cycle will do it.
> | Other than that it's chipset specific.
>
> sure. tried powercycling an internal modem recently? :)
>
> Waider. This is Rick Moen bait.
Thanks. It was delicious. ;->
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Re: [ILUG] Newby to Linux looking for information on cvs
On 0020 +0100 %{!Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 11:53:32PM +0100}, Darragh wrote:
> the help that I received today. Then though I tried to build them. I
> started by trying the w3 program. I used the following lines which produced
> some strange results. Would any one be able to set me straight?
>
> ./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/usr/local/src/beta/w3 --exec-prefix=/usr/
> local/src/beta/w3 --with-url=/url/url
One thing I _think_ you might be doing slightly wrong is your
specification of prefixes. --prefix is the directory to be used as root
for _installing_ files. Typically packages use /usr/local as default
(so binaries might then go in /usr/local/bin, documentation in
/usr/local/doc and so forth).
Normally, I find it sufficient to put --prefix=/usr/local, and do not
further specify things like --exec-prefix.
Maybe you have a special reason for using the prefixes you chose, in
which case ignore me!
> That worked fine so I moved to the next step.
> make
> At the bottem of the text I got the following messages:
> Cannot open load file: /url/url/url-vars.el
> make[1]: *** [custom-load.el] Error 255
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/beta/w3/lisp'
> make: *** [w3] Error 2
>
> When I got around to trying the url package I had no problems. In saying
> that this doesn't necessarily mean that I was doing it right so below are
> the commands I used.
> ./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/url/url --exec-prefix=/url/url
I'd make the same remarks about prefixes here. I would use the command
./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/usr/local
To get w3 to compile, I think the with-url flag you should use is
--with-url=/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp/
(Assuming you compiled/installed url with --prefix=/usr/local
Since you appear to have installed url in /url/url, configure w3 with
./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/usr/local/ --with-url=/url/url/share/emacs/site-lisp
A command you would have found useful would have been
find / -name 'url-vars.el' -print
Which would have told you where the url-vars.el file was installed.
A program which is very useful is checkinstall
http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/
It allows you to install packages from source while still registering
them in the package management system of your distro (rpm,deb,tgz).
Instead of "make install" type "checkinstall", and a package is put
together and installed for you. Makes uninstallation simpler than it
might otherwise be.
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RE: [ILUG] Newby to Linux looking for information on cvs
Hello all,
Firstly I'd like to thank all of you for the fast and very helpful feedback
that I got to my question today. I have one more question though. I
downloaded the w3 and url files from the server at the first try thanks to
the help that I received today. Then though I tried to build them. I
started by trying the w3 program. I used the following lines which produced
some strange results. Would any one be able to set me straight?
./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/usr/local/src/beta/w3 --exec-prefix=/usr/
local/src/beta/w3 --with-url=/url/url
That worked fine so I moved to the next step.
make
At the bottem of the text I got the following messages:
Cannot open load file: /url/url/url-vars.el
make[1]: *** [custom-load.el] Error 255
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/beta/w3/lisp'
make: *** [w3] Error 2
When I got around to trying the url package I had no problems. In saying
that this doesn't necessarily mean that I was doing it right so below are
the commands I used.
./configure --with-emacs --prefix=/url/url --exec-prefix=/url/url
followed by the commands make and make install.
There is no text files which contain help on installing the url package so
I'm not completely certain if I've used the right method here.
Thanks again
Darragh
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From: "Hunt, Bryan" <B.Hunt@emuse-tech.com>
To: <macarthy@iol.ie>; <michael.conry@ucd.ie>
Cc: <ilug@linux.ie>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 5:08 PM
Subject: OT: RE: [ILUG] Newby to Linux looking for information on cvs
>
> speaking of that IDE (weblogic developer) the open source version called
> eclipse is free from eclipse.org If you are doing java development you
> need to get this IDE . I've been using it for the last month and it is
> absolutly superb. Best thing about it is that rather than using swing
> (which is crap) is that they have their own native widget set called swt.
>
> When you run it on windows it uses windows widgets but when you run it on
> linux it uses gtk, you should see it on gnome 2 ! Absolutely stunning !
>
> --B
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin MacCarthy [mailto:macarthy@iol.ie]
> Sent: 05 September 2002 16:53
> To: michael.conry@ucd.ie
> Cc: ilug@linux.ie
> Subject: RE: [ILUG] Newby to Linux looking for information on cvs
>
>
> This is the best step by step guide to setting up cvs on Redhat..
>
>
http://www7b.software.ibm.com/wsdd/library/techarticles/0205_yu/yu.html?open
> &l=456,t=gr
>
> It is for a particular IBM ide, but the setup and testing of the server is
> the same for any CVS client
>
> Both The "Using Linux" and "Linux in a nutshell" book by Oreilly have
> sections on cvs /rcs , and both books are a must buy for any linux newbie
>
>
> Justin
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ilug-admin@linux.ie [mailto:ilug-admin@linux.ie]On Behalf Of
> > Michael Conry
> > Sent: 05 September 2002 16:34
> > To: Darragh
> > Cc: ilug@linux.ie
> > Subject: Re: [ILUG] Newby to Linux looking for information on cvs
> >
> >
> > On 0020 +0100 %{!Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 3:55:16PM +0100}, Darragh wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > I am very new to Linux and need some help on a utility called
> > cvs. As far
> > > as I'm aware its a similar protocol to FTP. I need to use it
> > to download a
> > > program from :pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/w3.
> > I am looking
> > > for information on how to use it. I'll have another look at
> > the man pages
> > > but I think I have to set it up before I can download anything.
> > cvs is really a very different kind of thing to FTP, but the details of
> > that statement are left as an exercise to the reader (won't show up my
> > own ignorance that way ;-)
> > The application you want is cvsclient...
> > There is documentation here:
> > http://www.fokus.gmd.de/gnu/docs/cvs/cvsclient_toc.html
> >
> > You might get a quick idea of how it works from here:
> > http://www.sci.muni.cz/~mikulik/gnuplot.html
> > where he explains how to get cvs gnuplot...
> > The commands are:
> >
> > export
> > CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@cvs.gnuplot.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/gnuplot
> > cvs login
> > cvs -z3 checkout gnuplot
> >
> > Something similar will probably do the job for you. I'm guessing the
> > following MIGHT work...
> >
> > export CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs@subversions.gnu.org:/cvsroot/w3
> > cvs login
> > cvs -z3 checkout w3
> >
> > m
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Re: [ILUG] windows users accessing cvs...
Quoting kevin lyda (kevin+dated+1031593647.e87527@ie.suberic.net):
> anyone here have experience with windows cvs clients accessing a cvs
> server *securely*. preferably using ssh of some form (putty or cygwin's
> openssh port) and the wincvs client?
Here's something I cobbled together:
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=9026&group_id=13487
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[ILUG] PCTel modules
Hello again. I tried all the suggestions for the PCTel driver and at the end of it, everything still goes smoothly until I type "make" after I get the output from the ./configure.
However, there were a couple of things I noticed along the way. After typing
* cp configs/kernel-2.4...config .config
* make oldconfig
* make dep
The 2nd to last line I got back said that the modversions.h file was not updated. When I looked at this path to the modversions.h file, it was 281 lines and every line started with a # mark. Is it the case that nothing is read on a line after a # mark (or am I just thinking of another language?) and so should I delete the # at certain places?
Also, when I was in the pctel directory and typed "make", I noticed that a different subdirectory is taken to a different modversions.h file. Inside this other file, there's nothing at all. And so I moved the modversions.h file with 281 lines to the empty modversions.h file - and got a different reply after "make". The output after I moved the file over mostly looked like this:
/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:11:33: linux/modules/adb.ver: No such file or directory
/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:12:37: linux/modules/af_ax25.ver: No such file or directory
/usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:13:36: linux/modules/af_ipx.ver: No such file or directory
The odd lines being the path and the first half of the other lines are what's written after the # in the modversions.h file. Should there be a file at each of these (one at each of the 281 lines of the file) that I'd have to compile/make?
It's taken plenty of elbow grease, but I'm glad it hasn't gone smoothly, it's a good learning experience. Again, any help is appreciated. Thanks, Eric
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Re: [ILUG] PCTel modules
On 0020 -0700 %{!Thu, Sep 05, 2002 at 3:17:36PM -0700}, eric nichols wrote:
> Hello again. I tried all the suggestions for the PCTel driver and at
> the end of it, everything still goes smoothly until I type "make"
> after I get the output from the ./configure.
>
> However, there were a couple of things I noticed along the way. After typing
> * cp configs/kernel-2.4...config .config
> * make oldconfig
> * make dep
> The 2nd to last line I got back said that the modversions.h file was
> not updated. When I looked at this path to the modversions.h file, it
> was 281 lines and every line started with a # mark.
> Is it the case
> that nothing is read on a line after a # mark (or am I just thinking
> of another language?) and so should I delete the # at certain places?
No that is appropriate content for the file. I'm not a C programmer,
but I think that these sort of things (#include <blahblah>) are
instructions to the compiler processed by a pre-processor in the compile
process, and include all sorts of symbols/functions
e.g. "#include <math.h>" gives you maths type functions. Since they
start with "#" they are ignored in the final compilation.
Regarding the rest of the compile process, you need to tell the PCtel
software to look in the right place for the kernel headers/source.
I recall from your previous mail that there was a flag
--with-kernel-includes=/usr/src/linux-2.4
which could be passed to the ./configure script (with the appropriate
directory in place of /usr/src/linux-2.4). This might allow you to
persuade the code to compile against the correct headers. I think this
is the right way to proceed.
Alternatively, maybe the steps above regarding "make dep" and so forth
should have been performed in the directory where the make process is
looking for modversions.h & Co.
I don't think it is a good idea keep moving files into the directory as
you describe below. First of all you will move modversions.h (which you
have done), then you would have to move all those *.ver files, after
that, there will almost certainly be a need for further header (*.h)
files. This could be quickly done, but is probably bad (those files
don't really belong there).
For what it's worth I think you are very close to a successful
compilation.
m
>
> Also, when I was in the pctel directory and typed "make", I noticed
> that a different subdirectory is taken to a different modversions.h
> file. Inside this other file, there's nothing at all. And so I moved
> the modversions.h file with 281 lines to the empty modversions.h file
> - and got a different reply after "make". The output after I moved the
> file over mostly looked like this:
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:11:33:
> linux/modules/adb.ver: No such file or directory
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:12:37:
> linux/modules/af_ax25.ver: No such file or directory
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.18-3/linux/modversions.h:13:36:
> linux/modules/af_ipx.ver: No such file or directory
>
> The odd lines being the path and the first half of the other lines are
> what's written after the # in the modversions.h file. Should there be
> a file at each of these (one at each of the 281 lines of the file)
> that I'd have to compile/make?
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[ILUG] semaphores on linux RH7.3
Hi All,
I have a question which is a bit tricky and was
wondering of anyone has come across this problem
before or could point me in the right direction.
I am involved in porting a SCO unix application to
Linux, and we have encountered a problem with the way
semaphores are being handled. The application uses
mulitple processes to run application code with the
main process known as the bsh which controls all i/o
be it screen, or file i/o, syncronisation is handled
via semaphores.
In certain circumstances the main process and the
application child process seem to lock up both waiting
for the syncronisation semaphores to change state, I
have attached ddd to the processes and it seems that
the semaphore code is doing the correct things for
syncronisation but the processes stay stuck in the
semop() system call.
I have also noticed that if I introduce a slight delay
between changing semaphore states the problem goes
away, but this causes our entire application to run
really sloooww !! lol
Is there anything weird or different with the standard
implemenation of semaphores on modern linux that could
cause a semop() to fail to pick up the change in state
in a semaphore immediately?
Setting sem_flg = IPC_NOWAIT and checking for errno ==
EAGAIN and recalling semop() if the semop() call fails
(-1) also fixes the problem but again system
performance goes down the toilet.
both the parent controlling process run as the same
uid, and the parent creates the semaphores with
permissions 0666.
Any pointers would be appreciated!
Rgds,
Colin Nevin
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Re: use of base image / delta image for automated recovery from attacks
take a look at http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,102881,00.asp
Andrey mailto:andr@sandy.ru
BM> Does anyone do this already? Or is this a new concept? Or has this concept
BM> been discussed before and abandoned for some reasons that I don't yet know?
BM> I use the physical architecture of a basic web application as an example in
BM> this post, but this concept could of course be applied to most server
BM> systems. It would allow for the hardware-separation of volatile and
BM> non-volatile disk images. It would be analogous to performing nightly
BM> ghosting operations, only it would be more efficient and involve less (or
BM> no) downtime.
BM> Thanks for any opinions,
BM> Ben
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Re: The absurdities of life.
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 11:51:54AM -0700, Elias wrote:
> So, given the apparent commonality of these occurances, companies appear
> to be losing a large amount of money by mailing these tiny checks out.
> Why can't they simply credit the account in question on the next bill?
> Granted, if an account has been closed there is no such option...
I've been waiting for Hettinga to regale us with one of his well-tuned
micro-cash-bearer-settlement-geodesic-finance rants. Bob, you are SO
disappointing me.
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Re: The absurdities of life.
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> I've been waiting for Hettinga to regale us with one of his
> well-tuned micro-cash-bearer-settlement-geodesic-finance rants.
> Bob, you are SO disappointing me.
How about if I include it by reference...
<http://www.ibuc.com/pdfs/geoecon.pdf>
:-).
Blue in the face,
RAH
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process music: Mekons
http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=entertainmentnews&StoryID=1543345
Working this loose knit fashion is what keeps the Mekons so exciting,
Langford said. "When the Mekons was our whole day job, it became a
drudgery," he said. " Sometimes we get bogged down and trapped. But we're
usually pretty greasy enough to bite our leg off, squirm free and run
off."
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Origins of Software Engineering
The academic discipline of Software Engineering was launched at a conference
sponsored by NATO, at Garmisch, Germany, in October, 1968. Intriguingly, the
term Software Engineering was chosen to be deliberately provocative -- why
can't software be developed with the same rigor used by other engineering
disciplines?
The proceedings of this conference are now available online, at:
http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/old/people/brian.randell/home.formal/NATO/index.html
Also, don't miss the pictures of attendees, including many significant
contributors to the field of Software Engineering:
http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/old/people/brian.randell/home.formal/NATO/N1968/inde
x.html
- Jim
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The Disappearing Alliance
http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/printer.jsp?CID=1051-100802B
The Disappearing Alliance
By Dale Franks 10/08/2002
For over two generations, the countries of Western Europe have been our
closest allies. We stood beside each other through the darkest days of the
Cold War as partners in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. We
celebrated with them over the fall of the Soviet Empire and the liberation
of Eastern Europe from the yoke of communism.
Tragically, a generation from now, we may be bitter adversaries.
Europe has increasingly fallen under the spell of a political ideology that
Hudson Institute scholar John Fonte has termed "progressive
transnationalism". The key doctrines of this form of post-communist
progressivism contain some fairly pernicious ideas. Among these are the
deconstruction of nationalism, the promotion of post-nationalist ideas of
citizenship (i.e. a "global" citizenry), a redefinition of democracy, and
the pooling of national sovereignty into multinational groups such as the
United Nations.
The European Union, itself a multinational organization built through the
pooling of sovereignty by European nations, is post-democratic. While there
is a European Parliament, the EU's power resides mainly in the unelected
European Commission (EC) and its unelected President, who face few limits
to their power. Instead of a limited, consensual form of government, where
elected representatives promulgate constitutional laws, the EU has an
appointed, oligarchic executive, along with a large attendant bureaucracy,
whose orders are not constitutionally limited in any real sense. Moreover,
the EU has been unwilling to accept the democratically expressed wishes of
the people themselves when those wishes conflict with the results desired
by the EU's political elite. Both the EC and the European Court of Justice
regularly overturn the national laws of democratically elected EU member
governments. This is a step backward in Europe's political development.
European criticism of America is on the rise, and the European list of
complaints about America is a long and growing one. They dislike the fact
that our republican system of government is not based on proportional
representation. They hate the fact that our citizens own guns. They despise
the fact that we execute murderers. They resent the fact that our economy
is so large, and that Americans consume so much. They also resent?and fear
- the fact that we have the ability to project American power anywhere
in the world.
On August 9, 2002, Adrian Hamilton wrote a column in the UK's Independent
newspaper, in which he identified the US as a rogue state who should be
restrained, perhaps by a European military invasion, followed by a decade
or so of occupation. Fortunately, the article is satirical not because it
exaggerates the way European progressives view the US, but rather because
the impotence of European military power makes the idea of an invasion of
the US literally fantastic.
At least, for now.
Despite the tongue-in-cheek nature of this editorial, however, the fact
remains that America is increasingly viewed this way by the European
intellectual and political elite.
The Europeans actively desire a world where the United Nations keeps in
check the activities of sovereign states. Because they have built such a
system in Europe, they feel it's valid for the rest of the world. America,
however, is the biggest obstacle to such a system. The Europeans cannot
understand why America places a higher value on the ethos of national
sovereignty and limited, consensual, and constitutional government, than it
does on compliance with international "norms." They view all departures
from such norms as aberrant. Because the UN member states all have an equal
vote in prescribing international norms, they assume that, since the
process is ostensibly legitimate, the results must be as well. The trouble
with this idea, of course, is that it gives the views of non-democratic,
authoritarian states the same weight as those of free, democratic
societies. It sanctifies the process, with no regard to the actual results.
Thus, they are unable to make any moral distinction between the US refusals
to join in a given international effort because we wish to preserve the
liberty of our citizens, and similar refusals from Iraq because its
dictator wishes to maintain his firm grip on power. Our repeated references
to the US Constitution, and our unwillingness to bypass its provisions to
comply with international norms, are incomprehensible to them. They assume,
therefore, that our refusal is based on arrogance, rather than on a
commitment to
constitutional rights.
None of this bodes well for the future of Euro-American friendship, or
cooperation. If the Europeans continue to reject traditional liberalism in
favor of the new progressivism, their criticism of the US will rise, while
their tolerance of our differences will fall. Obviously, in such a
political atmosphere, the opportunities for conflict will inevitably
increase.
That thought is frightening enough. Even more frightening, however, is the
thought that such a conflict might be averted by our own acceptance of the
new ideology of transnational progressivism.
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Re: The Disappearing Alliance
OK, lets break this down into the Kevin Smith worldview taht equate
everything with Star Wars...
EU is the Republic/empire and we are..what,..the Trade Federation?
Stretch this out and it could be seen that the UN is the Jedi, complete
with faling powers.
Work with me folks...
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Re: The absurdities of life.
So, given the apparent commonality of these occurances, companies appear
to be losing a large amount of money by mailing these tiny checks out.
Why can't they simply credit the account in question on the next bill?
Granted, if an account has been closed there is no such option...
Elias
Christopher Haun wrote:
> eheh i'll do yah one better i have a check some place (i just moved or i'd
> go scan it in) for $0.01 from Time Warner Cable.
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RE: The Disappearing Alliance
> From: fork-admin@xent.com [mailto:fork-admin@xent.com] On Behalf Of R.
A.
> Hettinga
> Subject: The Disappearing Alliance
>
> http://www.techcentralstation.com/1051/printer.jsp?CID=1051-100802B
>
>
>
> The Disappearing Alliance
> By Dale Franks 10/08/2002
> Obviously, in such a
> political atmosphere, the opportunities for conflict will inevitably
> increase.
Given current trends, particularly in demographics, such conflict won't
be military. Europe wouldn't stand a chance now and things are getting
worse in a hurry. They are SOL.
Not to mention that when push comes to shove they wouldn't stand united.
>
> That thought is frightening enough. Even more frightening, however, is
the
> thought that such a conflict might be averted by our own acceptance of
the
> new ideology of transnational progressivism.
Now that is a scary thought.
]
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Lord of the Ringtones: Arbocks vs. Seelecks
I can't believe I actually read a laugh-out-loud funny profile of the
*FCC Commissioner* fer crissakes! So the following article comes
recommended, a fine explanation of Michael Powell's extraordinary
equivocation.
On the other hand, I can also agree with Werbach's Werblog entry... Rohit
> A Trip to F.C.C. World
>
> Nicholas Lemann has a piece in the New Yorker this week about FCC
> Chairman Michael Powell.� It's one of the first articles I've seen that
> captures some of Powell's real personality, and the way he's viewed in
> Washington.� Unfortunately, Lemann ends by endorsing conventional
> political wisdom.� After describing how Powell isn't really a
> fire-breathing ideological conservative, he concludes that, in essence,
> Powell favors the inumbent local Bell telephone companies, while a
> Democratic FCC would favor new entrants.� I know that's not how Powell
> sees the world, and though I disagree with him on many issues, I think
> he's right to resist the old dichotomy.
>
> The telecom collapse should be a humbling experience for anyone who
> went through it.� The disaster wasn't the regulators' fault, as some
> conservatives argue.� But something clearly went horribly wrong, and
> policy-makers should learn from that experience.� Contrary to Lemann's
> speculation, the upstart carriers won't be successful in a Gore
> administration, because it's too late.� Virtually all of them are dead,
> and Wall Street has turned off the capital tap for the foreseeable
> future.� Some may survive, but as small players rather than
> world-dominators.�
>
> The battle between CLECs and RBOCs that Lemann so astutely parodies is
> old news.� The next important battle in telecom will be between those
> who want to stay within the traditional boxes, and those who use
> different models entirely.� That's why open broadband networks and open
> spectrum are so important.� Whatever the regulatory environment, there
> is going to be consolidation in telecom.� Those left out in that
> consolidation will face increasing pressure to create new pipes into
> the home, or slowly die. The victors in the consolidation game will cut
> back on innovation and raise prices, which will create further pressure
> for alternatives.�
>
> Lemann is right that policy-making looks much drier and more ambiguous
> on the ground than through the lens of history.� But he's wrong in
> thinking that telecom's future will be something like its past.
>
> Friday, October 04, 2002
> 11:17:11 AM �comments�{0}�
==============================================================
http://www.newyorker.com/printable/?fact/021007fa_fact
THE CHAIRMAN
by NICHOLAS LEMANN
He's the other Powell, and no one is sure what he's up to.
New Yorker, October 8, 2002
Last year, my middle son, in eighth grade and encountering his first
fairly serious American-history course, indignantly reported that the
whole subject was incomprehensible. I was shocked. What about Gettysburg
and the Declaration of Independence and the Selma-to-Montgomery march?
Just look at my textbook, he said, and when I did I saw his point. His
class had got up to the eighteen-forties. What I expected was a big
beefing up of the roles of Sacagawea and Crispus Attucks, and, in-deed,
there was some of that. But the main difference between my son's text
and that of my own childhood was that somebody had made the disastrous
decision to devote most of it to what had actually happened in American
history. There were pages and pages on tariffs and bank charters and
reciprocal trade agreements. I skipped ahead, past the Civil War, hoping
for easier going, only to encounter currency floats and the regulation
of freight rates. Only a few decades into the twentieth century did it
become possible to see the federal government's main function as
responding to dramatic crises and launching crusades for social justice,
instead of attempting to referee competing claims from economic
interests.
Even now, if one were to reveal what really goes on behind the pretty
speeches and the sanctimonious hearings in Washington, what you'd find
is thousands of lawyers and lobbyists madly vying for advantage, not so
much over the public as over each other: agribusiness versus real
estate, banks versus insurance companies, and so on. The arena in which
this competition mainly takes place is regulatory agencies and
commissions and the congressional committees that supervise them. It's
an insider's game, less because the players are secretive than because
the public and the press�encouraged by the players, who speak in jargon�
can't get themselves interested.
One corner of Washington might be called F.C.C. World, for the Federal
Communications Commission. F.C.C. World has perhaps five thousand
denizens. They work at the commission itself, at the House and Senate
commerce committees, and at the Washington offices of the companies that
the commission regulates. They read Communications Daily (subscription
price: $3,695 a year), and every year around Christmastime they
grumblingly attend the Chairman's Dinner, at a Washington hotel, where
the high point of the evening is a scripted, supposedly self-deprecating
comedy routine by the commission's chairman.
Of all the federal agencies and commissions, the F.C.C. is the one that
Americans ought to be most interested in; after all, it is involved with
a business sector that accounts for about fifteen per cent of the
American economy, as well as important aspects of daily life�telephone
and television and radio and newspapers and the Internet. And right now
F.C.C. World is in, if not a crisis, at least a very soapy lather,
because a good portion of what the angry public thinks of as the
"corporate scandals" concerns the economic collapse of companies
regulated by the F.C.C. Qwest, WorldCom, Adelphia, and Global Crossing,
among others, are (or were) part of F.C.C. World. AOL Time Warner is
part of F.C.C. World. Jack Grubman, the former Salomon Smith Barney
analyst who seems to have succeeded Kenneth Lay, of Enron, as the
embodiment of the corporate scandals, is part of F.C.C. World. In the
past two years, companies belonging to F.C.C. World have lost trillions
of dollars in stock-market valuation, and have collectively served as a
dead weight pulling down the entire stock market.
This year, an alarmed and acerbic anonymous memorandum about the state
of the F.C.C. has been circulating widely within F.C.C. World. It evokes
F.C.C. World's feverish mood ("The F.C.C. is fiddling while Rome burns")
and suggests why nobody besides residents of F.C.C. World has thought of
the commission in connection with the corporate scandals. The sentence I
just quoted is followed by this explanation: "The ILECs appear likely to
enter all l.d. markets within twelve months, while losing virtually no
residential customers to attackers since 1996, and suffering about 10%
market share loss in business lines to CLECs." It's a lot easier to
think about evil C.E.O.s than to decipher that.
Even in good times, F.C.C. World pays obsessive attention to the
commission's chairman. In bad times, the attention becomes especially
intense; and when the chairman is a celebrity F.C.C. World devotes
itself to full-time chairman-watching. The current chairman, Michael
Powell, is a celebrity, at least by government-official standards,
because he is the only son of Colin Powell, the Secretary of State.
Unlike his father, he has a kind of mesmerizing ambiguity, which
generates enormous, and at times apoplectically toned, speculation about
who he really is and what he's really up to. Powell is young to be the
head of a federal agency�he is thirty-nine�and genially charming.
Everybody likes him. Before becoming chairman, he was for three years
one of the F.C.C.'s five commissioners; not only is he fluent in the
F.C.C.'s incomprehensible patois, he has a Clintonesque love of the
arcane details of communications policy. He's always saying that he's an
"avid moderate." And yet he has a rage-inciting quality. One of his
predecessors as chairman, Reed Hundt, quoted in Forbes, compared Powell
to Herbert Hoover. Mark Cooper, of the Consumer Federation of America,
calls him "radical and extreme." Just as often as he's accused of being
a right-wing ideologue, Powell gets accused of being paralytically
cautious. "It ain't about singing 'Kum-Ba-Yah' around the campfire,"
another former chairman, William Kennard, says. "You have to have an
answer." One day last spring, Powell, testifying before a Senate
subcommittee, delivered an anodyne opening statement, and the
subcommittee's chairman, Ernest Hollings, of South Carolina, berated
him. "You don't care about these regulations," Hollings said. "You don't
care about the law or what Congress sets down. . . . That's the
fundamental. That's the misgiving I have of your administration over
there. It just is amazing to me. You just pell-mell down the road and
seem to not care at all. I think you'd be a wonderful executive
vice-president of a chamber of commerce, but not a chairman of a
regulatory commission at the government level. Are you happy in your
job?"
"Extremely," Powell said, with an amiable smile.
One cannot understand Powell's maddening effect, at least on Democrats
and liberal activists, without understanding not just the stated purpose
of the commission he chairs but also its real purpose. The F.C.C. was
created by Congress in 1934, but it existed in prototype well before the
New Deal, because it performs a function that is one of the classic easy
cases for government intervention in the private economy: making sure
that broadcasters stick to their assigned spots on the airwaves. Its
other original function was preventing American Telephone & Telegraph,
the national monopoly phone company, from treating its customers
unfairly. Over the decades, as F.C.C. World grew up into a comfortable,
well-established place, the F.C.C. segued into the role of industrial
supervision�its real purpose. It was supposed to manage the competition
among communications companies so that it didn't become too bloody, by
artfully deciding who would be allowed to enter what line of business.
In addition to looking out for the public's interest, the commission
more specifically protected the interests of members of Congress, many
of whom regard the media companies in their districts as the single most
terrifying category of interest group�you can cross the local bank
president and live to tell the tale, but not the local broadcaster.
According to an oft-told F.C.C. World anecdote, President Clinton once
blocked an attempt to allow television stations to buy daily newspapers
in the same city because, he said, if the so-and-so who owned the
anti-Clinton Little Rock Democrat-Gazette had owned the leading TV
station in Little Rock, too, Clinton would never have become President.
F.C.C. World may have been con tentious, but it was settled, too,
because all the reasonably powerful players had created secure economic
niches for themselves. Then, in the nineteen-eighties, the successful
breakup of A.T. & T.�by far the biggest and most important company the
commission regulated�deposited a thick additional sediment of
self-confidence onto the consciousness of F.C.C. World. A generation
ago, for most Americans, there was one local phone company, one
long-distance company, and one company that manufactured telephones,
which customers were not permitted to own�and they were all the same
company. It was illegal to plug any device into a phone line. By the
mid-nineteen-nineties, there were a dozen economically viable local
phone companies, a handful of national long-distance companies competing
to offer customers the lowest price and best service, and stores
everywhere selling telephone equipment from many manufacturers�and
millions of Americans had a fax machine and a modem operating over the
telephone lines. A.T. & T. had argued for years that it was a "natural
monopoly," requiring protection from economic competition and total
control over its lines. So much for that argument. Over the same period,
the F.C.C. had assisted in the birth of cable television and cell phones
and the Internet. It was the dream of federal-agency success come true:
consumers vastly better served, and the industry much bigger and more
prosperous, too.
The next big step was supposed to be the Telecommunications Act of 1996,
one of those massive, endlessly lobbied-over pieces of legislation which
most people outside F.C.C. World probably felt it was safe to ignore.
Although the Telecom Act sailed under the rhetorical banner of
modernization and deregulation, its essence was a grand interest-group
bargain, in which the local phone companies, known to headline writers
as "baby Bells" and to F.C.C. World as "arbocks" (the pronounced version
of RBOCs, or regional Bell operating companies), would be permitted to
offer long-distance service in exchange for letting the long-distance
companies and smaller new phone companies use their lines to compete for
customers. Consumers would win, because for the first time they would
get the benefits of competition in local service while getting even more
competition than they already had in long distance. But the politics and
economics of the Telecom Act (which was shepherded through Congress by
Vice-President Gore) were just as important. Democrats saw the act as
helping to reposition them as the technology party�the party that
brought the Internet into every home, created hundreds of thousands of
jobs in new companies, and, not least, set off an investment boom whose
beneficiaries might become the party's new contributor base. Clinton's
slogans about the "information superhighway" and "building a bridge to
the twenty-first century," which, like all Clinton slogans, artfully
sent different messages to different constituencies, were the rhetorical
correlates of the Telecom Act, and Gore's cruise to the Presidency was
supposed to be powered substantially by the act's success.
The F.C.C. had a crucial role in all this. The arbocks are rich,
aggressive, politically powerful, and generally Republican (though like
all important interest groups they work with both parties); they
immediately filed lawsuits, which wound up tying the hands of their new
competitors in the local phone market for more than three years. Through
rule-making, enforcement, and litigation, the F.C.C., then headed by
Reed Hundt, who was Gore's classmate at St. Albans, was supposed to keep
the arbocks in their cages, so that not only long-distance companies
like A.T. & T. and MCI WorldCom but also a whole category of new
companies, "see-lecks" (the pronounced version of CLECs, or competitive
local exchange carriers), could emerge. This entailed the regulatory
equivalent of hand-to-hand combat: the see-leck is supposed to have
access to the arbock's switching equipment, the arbock won't give the
seeleck a key to the room where it's kept, so the see-leck asks the
F.C.C. to rule that the arbock has to give it the key.
Partly because Hundt assured the see-lecks and other new companies that
he would protect them, and partly because of the generally booming
condition of the economy then, investment capital flooded into the
see-lecks�companies with names like Winstar, Covad, and Teligent�and
into other telecommunications companies. Even not obviously related
technology companies like Cisco Systems benefitted from the telecom
boom: demand for their products was supposed to come from the see-lecks
and other new players. There would be no conflict between the interests
of the new telecom companies and those of consumers; as one of Hundt's
former lieutenants told me, "Reed used to joke that my job was to make
sure that all prices went down and all stocks went up."
The years following the passage of the Telecom Act were the peak of the
boom. Wall Street had its blood up, and that meant not just more
startups but also more mergers of existing communications companies:
Time Warner and AOL decided to throw in together, and A.T. & T. and
Comcast, and so on. (Surely, WorldCom and the other telecom bad guys
believed that their self-dealing, stock-overselling, and creative
accounting would go unnoticed because the market was so
undiscriminating.)
By the time the outcome of the 2000 Presidential election had been
determined, the telecom crash was well under way. Nonetheless, the
chairmanship of the F.C.C. remained one of the best jobs, in terms of
influence and visibility, available to a career government regulator.
Three Republicans emerged as candidates: Powell, who was a commissioner;
Harold Furchtgott-Roth, the farthest-to-the-right commissioner; and
Patrick Wood, the head of the Texas Public Utility Commission and, as
such, a George W. Bush guy. In Texas, however, Wood had crossed the most
powerful person in the arbock camp, Edward Whitacre, the C.E.O. of
S.B.C. Communications, which is headquartered in San Antonio. This meant
that the arbocks didn't want Wood as head of the F.C.C., because he
might be too pro-see-leck. (Wood is now the head of the Federal Energy
Regulatory Commission.) Michael Powell had to signal the arbocks that he
wasn't as threatening as Wood, while also signalling the conservative
movement that he was only negligibly farther to the left than
Furchtgott-Roth.
Powell did this deftly. For example, in December of 2000 he appeared
before a conservative group called the Progress & Freedom Foundation and
gave a very Michael Powell speech�whimsical, intellectual, and
free-associative (Biblical history, Joseph Schumpeter, Moore's Law)�that
began by making fun of the idea that the F.C.C. should try to keep new
telecom companies alive. "In the wake of the 1996 Act, the F.C.C. is
often cast as the Grinch who stole Christmas," Powell said. "Like the
Whos, down in Who-ville, who feast on Who-pudding and rare Who-roast
beast, the communications industry was preparing to feast on the
deregulatory fruits it believed would inevitably sprout from the Act's
fertile soil. But this feast the F.C.C. Grinch did not like in the
least, so it is thought." Thus Powell was indicating that if he became
chairman he didn't expect to administer first aid to the see-lecks as
part of the job. He was appointed to the chairmanship on the first day
of the Bush Administration.
Twenty months into the Administration, nearly all the see-lecks are dead
or dying; nearly all long-distance companies, not just WorldCom, are in
serious trouble; cable companies have lost half their value; satellite
companies are staggering. The crash has had an automatically
concentrating effect, because as new companies die the existing
companies' market share increases, and, if the existing companies are in
good shape financially, they have the opportunity to pick up damaged
companies at bargain prices. During the Bush Administration, as the
financial carnage in communications has worsened, the communications
industry has moved in the direction of more concentration. If the Bells
wind up protecting their regional monopolies in local phone service, and
if they also merge, the country will be on its way to having a national
duopoly in local service: Verizon, in the East, and S.B.C., in the West.
And these companies could dominate long distance as well, because of the
poor health of the long-distance companies.
The cable business also seems close to having two dominant national
companies, AOL Time Warner and Comcast. Unlike the phone companies, they
don't have to share their wiring with other companies and so can more
fully control what material they allow to enter people's homes. As part
of the complicated bargaining with interest groups that led to the 1996
Telecom Act, the limits on concentration in the radio industry were
significantly loosened, and in the past six years the number of
radio-station owners in the United States has been cut by twenty-five
per cent; today, a large portion of local and national radio news
programming is supplied by a single company, Westwood One, a subsidiary
of Viacom.
In this situation, many Democrats and liberals think, the F.C.C. should
be hyperactive�the superhero of government regulation, springing to the
rescue of both consumers and the communications industry. It should try
to breathe life into the see-lecks and other new companies. It should
disallow mergers, maintain ownership limits, and otherwise restrain the
forces of concentration. It should use the government's money and muscle
to get new technology�especially fast Internet connections�into the
homes of people who can't afford it at current market prices. (An
analogy that a lot of people in F.C.C. World make is between telecom and
the Middle East: the Clinton people blame the bloodshed on the Bush
people, because they disengaged when they came into office, and the Bush
people blame it on the Clinton people, because they raised too many
expectations and stirred too many passions.)
But Michael Powell's F.C.C. has not been hyperactive. Powell has been
conducting internal policy reviews and reforming the management of the
F.C.C. and waiting for the federal courts and the Congress to send him
signals. (In mid-September, Powell finally initiated a formal review of
the F.C.C.'s limits on media concentration.) This doesn't mean he has
been inactive; rather, he has been active in a way that further
infuriates his critics�in a manner that smoothly blends the genial and
the provocative, he muses about whether the fundamental premises of
F.C.C. World really make sense, while giving the impression that he's
having the time of his life as chairman. At his first press conference,
when he was asked what he was going to do about the "digital
divide"�that is, economic inequality in access to the Internet�he said,
"You know, I think there is a Mercedes divide. I'd like to have one and
I can't afford one." At the National Cable & Telecommunications
Association convention, in Chicago, Powell, following a troupe of
tumblers to the stage, interrupted his walk to the podium to perform a
somersault.
Not long ago, I went to see Powell in his office at the F.C.C. Until
1998, when the commission moved to a new building in Southwest
Washington, near the city's open-air fish market, F.C.C. World was at
the western edge of downtown, where everybody would encounter everybody
else at a few familiar restaurants and bars. Today, the F.C.C. building
looks like the office of a mortgage company in a suburban office park.
Even the chairman's suite, though large, is beige, carpeted, and
fluorescent. Powell is a bulky man who wears gold-rimmed glasses and
walks with a pronounced limp, the result of injuries he suffered in a
jeep accident in Germany, in 1987, when he was an Army officer. Because
of the accident, he left the Army and went to law school, where he
became entranced with conservative ideas about regulation, particularly
the idea that the government, rather than trying to correct the flaws of
the market before the fact�"prophylactically," as he likes to say�should
wait till the flaws manifest themselves and then use antitrust
litigation to fix them. He worked briefly at a corporate law firm, and
then became a prot�g� of Joel Klein, the head of the antitrust division
of the Clinton Justice Department and the man who led the government's
legal case against Microsoft. (He was recently appointed chancellor of
the New York public-school system.) It testifies to Powell's political
skill that he is probably the only high official in the Bush
Administration who not only served in the Clinton Administration but
also maintains close ties to Bush's nemesis Senator John McCain, of
Arizona. One of the things about Powell that annoy people is his
enduring love of law school�"It's sort of like a law-school study
session over there," one Democratic former commissioner said. As if to
confirm the charge, Powell, when I arrived, introduced me to four law
students, summer interns at the commission, whom he'd invited to sit in.
I began by asking Powell whether he agreed with the founding assumptions
of the F.C.C. For example, could private companies have apportioned the
airwaves among themselves without the government being involved?
"I think we'll never know," Powell said. "I don't think it's an
automatically bad idea, the way some people will argue. Land is probably
the best analogue. We don't seize all the land in the United States and
say, 'The government will issue licenses to use land.' If my neighbor
puts a fence one foot onto my property line, there's a whole body of law
about what I can do about that, including whether I can tear it down. If
a wireless company was interfering with another wireless company, it's a
similar proposition. There are scholars who argue�indeed, the famous
Ronald Coase treatise that won the Nobel Prize was about this�that
spectrum policy is lunacy. The market could work this out, in the kinds
of ways that we're accustomed to."
Talking to Powell was fun. Unlike most high government officials, he
doesn't seem to be invested in appearing dignified or commanding. He
slumps in his chair and fiddles with his tie and riffs. He speaks in
ironic air quotes. He's like your libertarian friend in college who
enjoyed staying up all night asking impertinent rhetorical questions
about aspects of life that everybody else takes for granted but that he
sees as sentimental or illogical. After a while, I asked him whether he
thought his predecessors' excitement about the 1996 Telecommunications
Act had been excessive.
"I would start with a caveat," Powell said. "Look, I can't fault those
judgments in and of themselves, given the time and what people thought.
They were not the only ones who were hysterical about the opportunities.
But, frankly, I've always been a little bit critical. First of all,
anybody who works with the act knows that it doesn't come anywhere close
to matching the hyperbole that was associated with it, by the President
on down, about the kinds of things it's going to open up. I mean, I
don't know what provisions are the information-superhighway provisions,
or what provisions are so digitally oriented, or some of the things that
were a big part of the theatre of its introduction. When one starts
reading the details, one searches, often in vain, for these provisions.
But, nonetheless, there was a rising dot-com excitement, and an Internet
excitement, and people thought this was historic legislation, and it
certainly was.
"But. We were sucking helium out of balloons, with the kinds of
expectations that were being bandied around, and this is before the
economy or the market even gets in trouble. It was a dramatically
exaggerated expectation�by the leadership of the commission, by
politicians, by the market itself, by companies themselves. It was a
gold rush, and led to some very detrimental business decisions, ones
that government encouraged by its policies, frankly. Everybody wanted to
see numbers go up on the board."
Powell began imitating an imagined true believer in the Telecom Act. "
'I want to see ten competitors. Twenty competitors! I want to see
thirty-per-cent market share. Fifty-per-cent market share! I want the
Bells to bleed! Then we'll know we've succeeded.' " Now Powell returned
to being Powell. "I think that expectation was astonishingly
unrealistic, in the short term. They wanted to see it while they're
there. We were starting to get drunk on the juice we were drinking. And
the market was getting drunk on the juice we were drinking. There's no
question, we went too soon too fast. Too many companies took on too much
debt too fast before the market really had a product, or a business
model."
How could the Telecom Act have been handled better? "We could have
chosen policies that were less hellbent on a single objective, and were
slightly more balanced and put more economic discipline in the system,"
Powell said. "Money chased what seemed like government-promised
opportunity. The problem with that is there's a morning after, and we're
in it. And the problem is there is no short fix for this problem. This
debt is going to take years to bring down to a realistic level. In some
ways, for short-term gain, we paid a price in long-term stability."
Powell went on to say that it might have turned out differently if there
had been a more "reasonable" level of investment. "No, we wouldn't have
every home in America with competitive choice yet�but we don't anyway. I
don't think it's the remonopolization of telephone service. I don't buy
that. The Bells will prosper, but did anybody believe they wouldn't? The
part of the story that didn't materialize was that people thought so
would MCI WorldCom and Sprint."
Other local phone companies, he added, hadn't materialized as viable
businesses, either, and they never might. "Everybody's always saying,
'The regulators did this and this and this.' But, candidly, the story's
quite the opposite. I think the regulators bent over backward for six
years to give them a chance. Conditions don't get that good except once
every thirty years, and it didn't happen. So, whatever the reason, we're
looking at a WorldCom that's teetering. We're looking at a long-distance
business that has had a rapid decline in its revenue base. A.T. & T. is
breaking itself up. Sprint has struggled."
Could the F.C.C. have done anything to make the long-distance companies
stronger? "At the F.C.C.? I think I'll just be blunt. My political
answer? Yes, there's all kinds of things we can do at the margin to try
to help. But I can't find thirty billion dollars for WorldCom somewhere.
I can't mitigate the impacts of an accounting scandal and an S.E.C.
investigation. Were I king, it would be wonderful, but I don't have
those kinds of levers. I don't know whether anybody does. At some point,
companies are expected to run themselves in a way that keeps them from
dying." Powell couldn't have made it much clearer that he doesn't think
it's his responsibility to do anything about the telecom crash. He has
demonstrated his sure political touch by making accommodationist
gestures�in August, for example, five months after disbanding the
F.C.C.'s Accounting Safeguards Division, Powell announced that he was
appointing a committee to study accounting standards in the
communications industry. But that shows that Powell is better at riding
out the storm than, say, Harvey Pitt, his counterpart at the Securities
and Exchange Commission, and does not mean that he plans to try to shore
up the telecom industry.
I asked Powell if it would bother him if, for most people, only one
company provided cable television and only one provided local phone
service. "Yes," he said. "It concerns us that there's one of each of
those things, but let's not diminish the importance of there being one
of each of those things. That still is a nice suite of communications
capabilities, even if they aren't direct analogues of each other."
Anyway, Powell said, before long the phone companies will be able to
provide video service over their lines, and the cable companies will
provide data service over their lines, so there will be more choice.
"So, yeah, we have this anxiety: we have one of everything. The question
is, Does it stay that way?"
The concentration of ownership and the concentrated control of
information did not appear to trouble Powell, either. He said that
people confuse bigness, which brings many benefits, with concentration,
which distorts markets. "If this were just economics, it's easy. If you
were to say to me, 'Mike, just worry about economic concentration,' we
know how to do that�the econometrics of antitrust. I can tell you when a
market's too concentrated and prices are going to rise. The problem is
other dimensions, like political, ideological, sometimes emotional. Take
the question of, if everybody's controlling what you see, the assumption
there is that somehow there'll be this viewpoint, a monolithic
viewpoint, pushed on you by your media and you won't get diversity. I
think that's a possibility. I don't think it's nearly the possibility
that's ascribed to it sometimes."
Powell explained, "Sometimes when we see very pointed political or
parochial programming, it gets attacked as unfair. I see some of the
same people who claim they want diversity go crazy when Rush Limbaugh
exists. They love diversity, but somehow we should run Howard Stern off
the planet. If it has a point of view, then it becomes accused of bias,
and then we have policies like"�here his tone went from ironic to
sarcastic�"the fairness doctrine, which seems to me like the antithesis
of what I thought those people cared about. So when somebody is pointed
and opinionated, we do all this stuff in the name of journalistic
fairness and integrity or whatever, to make them balance it out."
F.C.C. World abounds in theories about Michael Powell. One is that he
can't make up his mind about how to address the crisis in the industries
he regulates�so he talks (and talks and talks) flamboyantly about the
market, in order to buy himself time. Another is that he's carrying
water for the arbocks and the big cable companies. Another is that he is
planning to run for the Senate from Virginia (or to be appointed
Attorney General in a second Bush term), and doesn't want to do anything
at the F.C.C. that would diminish his chances. Another is that he's
waiting to move until there is more consensus on some course of action,
so that he doesn't wind up going first and getting caught in the
crossfire between the arbocks and the cable companies and the television
networks. (In F.C.C. World, this is known as the Powell Doctrine of
Telecom, after Colin Powell's idea that the United States should never
commit itself militarily without a clear objective, overwhelming force,
and an exit strategy.) And another is that he actually believes what he
says, and thinks the telecommunications crash is natural, healthy, and
irreversible, and more concentration would be just fine.
"This is why elections matter," Reed Hundt, who isn't happy about what
has become of his Telecom Act, told me. It's true that the F.C.C.�much
more than, say, the war in Afghanistan�is a case in which a Gore
Administration would be acting quite differently from the Bush
Administration. Consumers might have noticed the difference by now, but
there's no question whether communications companies have noticed. The
arbocks are doing better against their internal rivals than they would
have done if Gore had won. Next election, they'll help the party that
helped them. If the Republicans win, policy will tilt further in the
arbocks' favor. If they lose, perhaps the arbocks' rivals�the
long-distance companies and the telecommunications upstarts�with their
friends now in power, will stage a comeback. America's present is not
unrecognizably different from America's past.
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[NYT] Korea's Real Rage for Virtual Games
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/10/09/technology/09KORE.html
Broadband's killer application � the one activity that dwarfs all others �
is online gaming, which 80 percent of South Koreans under 25 play, according
to one recent study. Critics say the burgeoning industry is creating
millions of zombified addicts who are turning on and tuning into computer
games, and dropping out of school and traditional group activities, becoming
uncommunicative and even violent because of the electronic games they play.
"Game players don't have normal social relationships anymore," said Kim Hyun
Soo, a 36-year-old psychiatrist who is chairman of the Net Addiction
Treatment Center, one of many groups that have sprung up to cope with
Internet game addiction. "Young people are losing the ability to relate to
others, except through games. People who become addicted are prone to
violence, even when they are not playing.
- Jim
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Re: ActiveBuddy
At 12:05 PM 10/4/28 -0400, Stephen D. Williams wrote:
>Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2028 12:05:01 -0400
>
>I actually thought of this kind of active chat at AOL (in 1996 I think),
>bringing up ads based on what was being discussed and other features. For
>a while, the VP of dev. (now still CTO I think) was really hot on the idea
>and they discussed patenting it. Then they lost interest. Probably a
>good thing.
[note date: header]
Can I borrow your time machine, pretty please?
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[ILUG] connecting at 1200bps in RH7.3 (help!)
Hi All,
Anyone ever try connecting at 1200bps in Linux? I've got a USR 56K
Faxmodem which is meant to connect to another (same) modem and I have to
connect at this speed due to the (NT) port settings on the remote side,
but the modem handshake always fails at this speed.
The modem handshake works at slightly higher speeds (4800bps to
~57600bps) but that is no good for tx/rx'ing data to the remote server
as it insists at talking at the speed of treacle/1200bps.
Note Minicom fails to handshake at 1200bps, but HyperTerm in Windows
worked first time(!?), any ideas?
Baud 1200 7 data bits Even Parity
I am doing a ATZ3 to reset the modem then I send this init string:
AT&F1E1V1Q0X4Y0S32=232&A1&B0&C1&D2&H0&I0&K1&M4&N0&P0&R1&S0&U0&Y1
... which is most of the defaults.
USR said to set S15=128 (disables v.42))
& set S32=98 (disable v.92 & X2)
But the S15=128 just makes the handshake lockup instead of just giving
up.
btw this is a bank's system I am connecting to so reconfiguring their
modems may be difficult.
Colin.
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Re: [ILUG] connecting at 1200bps in RH7.3 (help!)
Colin Nevin wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> The modem handshake works at slightly higher speeds (4800bps to
> ~57600bps) but that is no good for tx/rx'ing data to the remote server
> as it insists at talking at the speed of treacle/1200bps.
It sounds like the flow control is set to Xon/Xoff rather than hardware.
> Baud 1200 7 data bits Even Parity
Unusual - 8 n 1 is more common.
>
> I am doing a ATZ3 to reset the modem then I send this init string:
>
> AT&F1E1V1Q0X4Y0S32=232&A1&B0&C1&D2&H0&I0&K1&M4&N0&P0&R1&S0&U0&Y1
I think that the AT command for hardware flow control is &E4 though this
may vary from modem to modem.
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Re: [ILUG] cups question
zzzz@spamassassin.taint.org (Justin Mason) writes:
> /dev/fd/0 is STDIN -- filedescriptor 0. Looks like the PS file wants
> to know its filename, but it's being read from STDIN, that's my
> guess.
I don't think so: it should be getting a stream of PS from stdin,
but it's not. The printing/spooling system is executing gs but
somehow failing to provide it with input.
> Try tweaking the scripts to run "gs" with the ps file on
> the command line instead of as "-".
That might clarify that the later part of the system works, but I
suspect the problem is earlier.
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Re: [ILUG] Interesting article on free software licences
I have translated the article in full - see
end of post (I think that I've done a far
better job than the Google translation - at
least it's readable now - any corrections
appreciated).
Stuff in {}'s is my (and others) additions
to the debate.
My apologies if I've paraphrased anybody
incorrectly, I will be glad to retract if
anyone is miffed.
The article makes four main points.
1) Absence of critical clauses.
In this case, the idea is that the licence
is invalid because it doesn't specify
under what country's law the GPL is governed.
2) Specification in English only.
That for the end user (as opposed to businesses),
the GPL doesn't apply because it's not written
in French.
3) Arbitary licence change.
The point here is that (under French law) the
author can change the terms of the licence
arbitarily. This is because any granting of
rights by an author must be clearly delimited
in terms of how long, where, to whom, dates and
times. In the absence of such limitations, the
original author has the right to change his
software back to closed on a whim.
{
David Neary makes the point that the copyright
holder automatically retains the right to change
the licence.
Scott replies it simply requires authorisation from
all *copyright holders*
That's not my understanding. French law allows a
GPL type licence *_on condition_* that the
specific conditions of the granting of such
rights are clear - if they are not, there is
nothing to stop the original author taking
back "his work". The lawyers see this
(correctly IMHO) as a weakness in the GPL).
}
4) Hidden defects.
Roughly, this clause means that the author(s)
is/are liable for any defects if the consumer
is not an IT engineer, so if Linux blows up
and data is lost, then the authors are liable.
{
Ciaran Johnson says that M$oft and others have
similar clauses - the point here is that they
are *_all_* invalid - just that this one
affects the GPL also.
Niall O'Broinn makes the point that it is not
a sale, but rather a service/leasing arrangement
and that's why it doesn't come under this point.
I would suggest that the whole thrust of this
article has been to see software "sales" (even
if no money changes hands) as governed very
much by consumer law (in France anyway).
Rick Moen makes the point that it is not
a sale but rather a granting of rights which
are not default.
See the bit about even the granting of
rights by an author having to be
explicitly specified - under French law.
The fact that two IP lawyers in France think that
the GPL is covered as a sale make me feel that
there is a de facto sale and a de facto contract.
}
5) Roughly.
There may be other reasons under French
law why the GPL may be invalid.
----- Whole Article. -----------
Freedom(a) is worth more than these
imperfect licences.
Specialised lawyers look at the GPL.
Lawyer Cyril Rojinsky (duly appointed to
the court) and the jurist Vincent Grynbaum, both
specialised in the area of intellectual property
examine the "free" licences and in particular the
GPL. They have published their study
in the review "Proprietes intellectuelles
(Intellectual property)[1]" and their
conclusion is grim.
Their approach is interesting. The problem for
them is not to know whether freedom is valid under
French law (for them the question is a moot point)
but rather they asked themselves about the form
and the content of the text of free licences, and
in particular the GPL. The problem is not free
programmes, but rather the licence contracts of
free programmes.
Absence of critical clauses.
The authors tell us that first of all, the
reference to "copyright" is not legally
sufficient in the framework of international
contracts (which is the case of licence
contracts for programmes developed and spread
via the Internet). The idea of copyright can
basically include differences from one country
to another. This is why, under international
contracts, it is necessary to specify to which
laws one is referring (French law, American &c.).
The authors only found three public licences
which were correctly formulated on this point:
QPL, IBM Public Licence and the Mozilla Public
Licence).
Specification in the English language.
Next, the authors remind us that (at least in
France), no clause in a contract may be contrary
to French law [2]. However, it turns out that a
licence such as the GPL is contrary to French law
in several respects. Firstly, it is written in
English and the FSF doesn't officially approve
translations.
The "Toubon law" obliges this sort
of contract to be written in French, including for
businesses since the notion of "user" applies not
only to consumers, but also to businesses,
professionals &c.
Contacted by the editors of LinuxFrench,
lawyer Cyril Rojinsky declared that, as
far as business is concerned, the "Toubon
law" is probably doomed to change since
it is in contradiction of European directives
on the subject, but whatever about that, the
problem is still valid for individuals, and
while waiting for it (French law) to change,
French companies have to deal with it, since
it is the law of the land.
A programme under the GPL can suddenly
change licence.
Another problem, much more serious, is
that according to French law, the author of
a free programme can, at any time, invoke
the invalidity of the licence for this
software by simply changing the licence.
In effect, the law of intellectual
property stipulates that the granting of
rights by the author is subordinate to
the condition that each of these granted
rights be the object of a distinct clause
in the granting act (i.e. the licence) and
that the granting of any such rights be
delimited with respect to its scope and its
grantees, and also with respect to its
location (i.e. where such rights may be
excersised) and duration of any such grants.
[3] This is not the case of the GPL nor of
other free licences. Briefly, this means
that in France, or elsewhere if the author
is French, that which is under the GPL could
revert to proprietary from one day to the next.
The problem of the guarantee "hidden defects".
An other very serious flaw is that of the
guarantee. The GPL licences and others show
that the software is delivered "without
guarantee". You are going to immediately
reply that commercical programmes carry the
same clause in their licence contracts,
and this is correct. However, whatever is
written in a licence contract, one cannot
free oneself from the "guarantee from
hidden defects", since it is imposed in the
Civil Code. This concept is poorly understood
by the layman, it protects the buyer
(whoever it may be, individual or business,
since it specifies the Civil Code and not
consumer protection law) against hidden
defects, deliberate or made in good faith by
the seller.
For example, if one buys a pair of socks
in a sale, and the shop has a notice
specifying that "Sale items are neither
refunded nor exchanged", and on arriving
home you notice that one of the socks has
a hole in it, several scenarios are possible.
You could have checked the socks before
purchase: the flaw is deemed "obvious" and
you can sing for your money.
You couldn't check the socks (they were
packaged for example), and in this case,
despite the notice "neither refund nor
exchange", you may invoke "hidden defect"
and have them changed or obtain a refund,
it's up to you.
Personally, I have already invoked in shops
the "hidden defect" clause and it always
worked well (shopkeepers are always very
cooperative if you quote a couple of words
of the Civil Code).
The concept of hidden defect is rather
wide, it is necessary that you hadn't
the possibility of discovering the defect
before buying the product and then
(according to the Civil Code) that you
wouldn't have bought it at that price if
you had known about the
defect.
The third case which is much rarer , is
if you are able to show that the vendor had
knowledge of the defect (hidden), but didn't
inform you. In this case, not only does he
have to reimburse the product, but all
expenses incurred by the sale (metro
tickets to go to the shop, the fuse
which blew when you plugged it in &c.)
This idea of "hidden defect" applies to
all products, including programmes. This
was made abundantly clear by the
authorities (and the courts) surrounding
Y2K.
This is particularly inconvenient for
free programmes, since a site which
offers a Linux distro for download is
supposed to provide a guarantee against
hidden flaws.
LinuxFrench asked Cyril ROJINSKY if
in the case of a free programme,
one could speak about a "hidden" defect
since the source code was available,
he replied "Actually, concerning the
guarantee, the question of obvious
defect will arise. This analyis will
be different depending on whether the
person who downloads the distribution
is an IT professional or not".
OpenSource has this advantage over
the proprietary programme: it protects
the distributor against a guarantee of
hidden defect insofar as the buy is an
IT person. But, for distribution to the
public at large, the problem remains
the same.
Roughly Speaking.
Lawyer Cyril ROJINSKY said it himself,
this study is far from being exhaustive
and many other areas could be explored.
During this interview, we asked ourselves,
for example, about the fragility of the
GPL clause which forbids linking source
code under the GPL with proprietary code.
In effect, the laws of intellectual
property give the right to the user
to modify a programme with the
intention of permitting interoperability
with another programme. If for that,
I need to link with a proprietary library
(communication protocol, device driver)
I may consider as "null and void" this
clause of the GPL.
The conclusion of this study is a wake
up call for the community. "Freedom"
merits more than these shoddy licences,
which should be modified before court
cases over them proliferate and put at
risk the undeniable originality of
this effort.
---------------------------
[1] Une publication de l'Institut
de recherche en propri�t�
intellectuelle, No4 Juillet 2002
[2] Une telle clause de contrat
qui est oppos�e � ce que dit la Loi
fran�aise est qualifi�e en terme
juridique de � clause r�put�e
non-�crite �, c'est-�-dire
qu'on fait comme si cette clause
n'�tait pas �crite dans le contrat.
C'est pour cela par exemple que vous
pouvez signer un bail pour un
appartement qui stipule que
les enfants sont interdits dans
l'immeuble, et envisager sans
inqui�tude d'avoir quand m�me
un enfant, en effet le code civil
stipule que le devoir d'un locataire
d'un appartement doit se comporter
en � bon p�re de famille �
[3] Article L131-3
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Re: [ILUG] Modem question
Quoting Breathnach, Proinnsias (Dublin) (breatpro@exchange.ie.ml.com):
> Is there any reliable way to calculate your connection speed if you don't
> trust what the modem reports?
Do a wget of a file of known length, in a script that runs "date" before
and after (or equivalent).
Be aware that speed between you and your upstream link is one thing;
speed through countless congested routers to a faraway location may be
quite another. Remember that hardware-level compression is a factor.
(The file you wget will probably be precompressed.)
In the area of the slightly more exotic, be aware that different traffic
may have higher priority and thus more available bandwidth at various
points in the transit to/from you -- and that some traffic may go via
different paths coming vs. going.
Be aware that raw bulk transfer speed may not be the only thing that
matters: Depending on what you're doing, the modem's connection latency
might matter, and this differs widely between modems. (It matters more
for interactive sessions, e.g., ssh remote logins, where each keystroke
is echoed from remote.)
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Re: [ILUG] mini-itx
On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, John Moylan wrote:
> Hmm, speaking of cheap machines etc, has anyone tried this sort of
> thing: http://www.mini-itx.com/projects/humidor64/ ? or more importantly
> has anyone had any positive/negative experiences with the Via mini-itx
> boards/via c3 processors.
My laptop has a Via C3 processor. I use Debian with a self-compiled
2.4.19 kernel, and have had absolutely no problems with the chip at all
(quite the opposite, in fact).
I had to compile for "686" in order for 3D acceleration to work (the
kernel has an option specifically for the Via C3), but I assume that was
a kernel problem rather than a hardware problem.
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Re: [ILUG] Interesting article on free software licences
Quoting Paul Linehan (plinehan@yahoo.com):
> The point here is that (under French law) the author can change the
> terms of the licence arbitarily. This is because any granting of
> rights by an author must be clearly delimited in terms of how long,
> where, to whom, dates and times.
The GPL and similar licences are explicitly permanent grants of rights
attached to an instance of his work. (The other stuff mentioned
concerns contract law, e.g., the required element of privity, etc.)
> In the absence of such limitations, the original author has the right
> to change his software back to closed on a whim.
No, the author has the right to issue _additional_ instances under a
different licence, such as a proprietary ("closed" [sic]) licence.
> Rick Moen makes the point that it is not a sale but rather a granting
> of rights which are not default.
>
> See the bit about even the granting of rights by an author having to
> be explicitly specified - under French law.
The analysis, here and elsewhere, concerns contract law. This isn't
contract law.
This isn't the first time copyright attorneys have stumbled on this
subject. I'm sure it won't be the last.
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Re: RedHat 8.0 and his own freetype
Matthias Haase wrote:
> The bytecode-interpreter *is* disabled on RH8, defined at line 3 in
> the Specfile of the SRPM.
Right you are. The SRPM includes a patch to enable it, but then the
specfile defaults to not applying that patch. I saw the former but
missed the later. Egad, what a convoluted maze.
Sorry for the misinformation!
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KVim 6.1.141
Any one out their have any RPMs for the new KVim that was just released
that'd be suitable for RH7.3?
The website ( http://freehackers.org/kvim/screenshots.html ) mentions some
experimental RPMs for Suse/COnnectiva/Slackware but none for Mandrake...
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Re: mplayer not working for me
Laurent Papier wrote:
>On Tue, 8 Oct 2002 16:24:06 +0200
>Matthias Saou <matthias@rpmforge.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>Once upon a time, Roi wrote :
>>
>>
>>
>>>mplayer works with dga (if i am root) and works with x11
>>>and always worked with sdl (but not now with redhat 8)
>>>now it gives black screen window and play the music of the movie.
>>>
>>>
>>Strange, because as I said in an earlier post, it works for me. Maybe
>>you're missing the SDL_image or something? :-/
>>
>>
>
>It also works nicely for me.
>
>Laurent
>
>
[roi@roi roi]$ rpm -qa | grep -i sdl
SDL_image-devel-1.2.2-3
xmame-SDL-0.60.1-fr2
SDL_mixer-1.2.4-5
SDL-1.2.4-5
SDL-devel-1.2.4-5
SDL_mixer-devel-1.2.4-5
SDL_net-1.2.4-3
SDL_net-devel-1.2.4-3
SDL_image-1.2.2-3
Seems I got all packages I need.
It worked on redhat 7.3 I did upgrade not reinstall so packages
shouldn't make a problem.
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Re: Zoot apt/openssh & new DVD playing doc
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 04:36:13PM +0200, Matthias Saou wrote:
> Two new things today :
>
> 1) I've had to install a Red Hat Linux 6.2 server because of an old
> proprietary IVR software that doesn't work on newer releases :-( So
> I've recompiled both the latest apt and openssh packages for it, and
> they are now available with a complete "os, updates & freshrpms" apt
> repository at apt.freshrpms.net, for those who might be interested.
Oh, neat.
I have similiar thing in my hands, though it might be migratable if I
had the time to try. I've been using another 6.x repository though.
http://apt-rpm.tuxfamily.org/apt
Anyone tried (dist-)upgrade from 6.x to 7? Theoretically it should drop
in some -compat's (notably libc) and upgrade the rest and after a reboot
and maybe a new kernel (and grub, but I have long before put those to
v6's :) run just fine. Haven't had a spare machine to try it on myself,
though.
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Re: RedHat 8.0 and his own freetype
Matthias Haase wrote:
> The recompile of the SPRM failed for me with:
> #----
> RPM build errors:
> File not found by glob:
> /var/tmp/freetype-2.1.2-root/usr/lib/libttf.so.*
> File not found: /var/tmp/freetype-2.1.2-root/usr/lib/libttf.so
Weird. I had no problems at all rebuilding from the SRPM with specfile
modified to enable the bytecode interpreter. The "check-files" test
warns that "/usr/share/aclocal/freetype2.m4" was not included in any
package, but other then that, it's all perfectly clean.
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Re: Nessus?
On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 11:05:21PM +0200, Matthias Saou wrote:
> I've put up a new Red Hat Linux 8.0 build of nessus here :
> http://ftp.freshrpms.net/pub/freshrpms/testing/nessus/
>
> It's 100% untested, although the build should be ok. The new menu was
> added, but some configuration files may be better with new or different
> defaults.
>
> Feedback is very welcome!
It works very nice, would you consider upgrading it to 1.2.6 released only a
few hours after your build?
Thanks!
On Tue, Oct 08, 2002 at 01:49:11PM +0200, Renaud Deraison wrote:
> I'm pleased to announce the availability of Nessus 1.2.6, which should
> be one of the last versions of Nessus 1.2.x (hopefully), as I will soon
> open a new unstable tree and start to break things again :)
>
> What is new in Nessus 1.2.6, in comparison to 1.2.5 :
>
> * changes by Michael Slifcak (Michael.Slifcak at guardent.com)
> + Added Bugtraq cross reference in the plugins
> + Added support for BID in nessusd (this has yet to be done on
> the client side)
>
> * changes by Axel Nennker (Axel.Nennker at t-systems.com)
> + fixed the xml and html outputs
> + fixed array issues in a couple of plugins
>
> * changes by Michel Arboi (arboi at bigfoot.com)
> + find_service now detects services protected by TCP wrappers
> or ACL
> + find_service detects gnuserv
> + ptyexecvp() replaced by nessus_popen() (*)
>
> * changes by Renaud Deraison (deraison at cvs.nessus.org)
> + Fixed a bug which may make nasl interpret backquoted strings
> (\n and \r) received from the network (problem noted by Pavel
> Kankovsky)
> + nmap_wrapper.nes calls _exit() instead of exit() (*)
> + Solved the lack of bpf's on Free/Open/NetBSD and MacOSX by
> sharing _one_ among all the Nessus processes. As a result,
> Nessus's ping is much more effective on these platforms
> + bugfix in plug_set_key() which would eventually make some
> scripts take too long when writing in the KB
> + Plugins of family ACT_SETTINGS are run *after* plugins of
> family ACT_SCANNERS
> + replaced the implementation of md5 which was used when
> OpenSSL is disabled by the one from RSA (the old one would
> not work on a big-endian host)
> + Fixed plugins build issues on MacOS X
> + The nessus client compiles and links against GTK+-2.0. Of
> course, it will be horrible and unstable, as the GTK team
> does not care about backward compatibility
>
> (*) These two modifications solve the problems of nmap hanging under FreeBSD
>
>
>
> Special thanks go to Michael Slifcak, whose work on Nessus during the
> last months have been truly appreciated even if they have not always
> been as underlined as they should have been. Michael, thanks again !
>
>
> AVAILABILITY:
>
> Nessus 1.2.6 is available at http://www.nessus.org/posix.html
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xine cannot play DVDs - "liba52: a52_block error"
Since libdvdcss-1.2.0, I have been unable to play DVDs using ogle, xine,
vlc, or mplayer. They all show a scrambled picture with (VERY) choppy
audio. When I run xine I see tons of these in the console:
liba52: a52_block error
liba52: a52_block error
liba52: a52_block error
liba52: a52_block error
audio_out: inserting 5859 0-frames to fill a gap of 10989 pts
metronom: audio jump
liba52: a52_block error
Has anyone seen this before and know how to fix it? Or should I file a
bug report?
Thanks for your help.
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Ack, apt-get still failing for me, stumped. [RH8]
I posted about this last week, and I'm still stumped. apt-get is just
not working for me, and I can't figure out what the problem is.
I've tried removing the apt rpms, making sure to remove any traces left
behind (/etc/apt /var/state/apt /var/cache/apt), and still, I get
"couldn't find package xmms-mp3" when running "apt-get install xmms-mp3".
Any clues? Here's a log of a fresh try:
root@canarsie:/tmp # rpm -e apt apt-devel
root@canarsie:/tmp # rm -rf /etc/apt /var/cache/apt /var/state/apt
root@canarsie:/tmp # rpm -ivh apt-0.5.4cnc7-fr1.i386.rpm apt-devel-0.5.4cnc7-fr1.i386.rpm
warning: apt-0.5.4cnc7-fr1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID
e42d547b
Preparing... ########################################### [100%]
1:apt ########################################### [ 50%]
2:apt-devel ########################################### [100%]
root@canarsie:/tmp # apt-get update
Ign http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386 release
Get:1 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os pkglist [1276kB]
Get:2 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os release [108B]
Get:3 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates pkglist [14B]
Get:4 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates release [113B]
Get:5 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms pkglist
[57.1kB]
Get:6 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms release
[125B]
Get:7 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/os srclist [152kB]
Get:8 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/updates srclist [14B]
Get:9 http://apt.freshrpms.net redhat/8.0/en/i386/freshrpms srclist
[14.4kB]
Fetched 1500kB in 11s (125kB/s)
Reading Package Lists... Done
root@canarsie:/tmp # apt-get install xmms-mp3
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
E: Couldn't find package xmms-mp3
root@canarsie:/tmp # apt-cache search xmms
root@canarsie:/tmp #
Beats me..
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Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive
On Mon, 2002-10-07 at 13:28, Matthias Saou wrote:
> I've never heard of any CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive having problems with DMA...
> although there probably is since Red Hat decided to default disabling it a
> few releases back :-/
Heh. I get to see bad CDROM problems all the time. Mostly when vendors
buy crap cables to try to save $0.02/each, but there are chipsets and
drives with known DMA issues as well.
> Normally, even if you try to enable DMA and your device doesn't support it,
> it simply don't be able to make the change, and that's it. The problem IIRC
> is with crappy hardware that is supposed to support DMA but doesn't work as
> expected when it's enabled... maybe Chris could confirm this? ;-)
Usually if you enable DMA on a CDROM that can't handle it gracefully you
won't be able to read data off it relably, and that's about it. No
end_of_the_world problems, and easily fixed.
> I guess I'll settle for the /dev/dvd link change as described and putting
> the DMA tip in the %description :-)
My biggest beef with automatically setting /dev/dvd is that I always
seem to have a CD-Burner and a DVD drive (or DVD burner) in the same
box, and I usually have the DVD as the second drive /dev/cdrom1 in
"kudzu-speak". I agree that the %description is the best place for the
tip. Unless someone can come up with a way to probe CD/DVD drives to
divulge their largest supported media size without loading ide-scsi or
having that media currently in the drive.
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Re: RH 8 no DMA for DVD drive
On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 04:48, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Jesse Keating wrote:
>
> > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002 19:28:51 +0200
> > Matthias Saou <matthias@rpmforge.net> wrote:
> >
> > # I've never heard of any CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive having problems with
> > # DMA... although there probably is since Red Hat decided to default
> > # disabling it a few releases back :-/
> >
> > When I worked as a PC repair tech for a Computer store chain, I did
> > run across quite a few DVD drives that would lock up if DMA was
> > enabled. It's more of a chipset/drive problem than a Drive by itself.
>
> And my IBM Intellistation would lock up instantly .. now this is actually
> quite funny .. if DMA was enabled for the CD-ROM *and* you tried to access
> a CD with Joliet extensions. Otherwise it worked just fine with DMA
> enabled :)
Odd. Did I certify that one? What's the 7-digit IBM model number, and
which version of Red Hat were you running?
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Re: Zoot apt/openssh & new DVD playing doc
On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 10:36, Matthias Saou wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Two new things today :
>
> 1) I've had to install a Red Hat Linux 6.2 server because of an old
> proprietary IVR software that doesn't work on newer releases :-( So I've
> recompiled both the latest apt and openssh packages for it, and they are
> now available with a complete "os, updates & freshrpms" apt repository at
> apt.freshrpms.net, for those who might be interested.
Gack. Did you try 7.3 with the compat-glibc first? Or does it require an
antique kernel?
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Re: RedHat 8.0 and his own freetype
On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 13:05:53 -0700
Ben Liblit <liblit@eecs.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> > RPM build errors:
> > File not found by glob:
> > /var/tmp/freetype-2.1.2-root/usr/lib/libttf.so.*
> > File not found: /var/tmp/freetype-2.1.2-root/usr/lib/libttf.so
>
> Weird. I had no problems at all rebuilding from the SRPM with specfile
> modified to enable the bytecode interpreter. The "check-files" test
> warns that "/usr/share/aclocal/freetype2.m4" was not included in any
> package, but other then that, it's all perfectly clean.
Hi, Ben,
it seems, the RH freetype package should be repacked,
see for this
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=74415
Please, can you atach and send your sucessfully rebuild of the RH freetype
rpm with the bytecode enabled to me?
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Re: RedHat 8.0 and his own freetype
I wrote:
> [The bytecode interpreter] may improve non-antialiased rendering, but
> only at the expense of making a mess of antialiased rendering.
Then again, perhaps the particular font I'm using just has bad
bytecodes. That font is "QuickType II", grabbed off my Windows
partition, where it was installed by I-have-no-idea-which-application.
Anybody else experimenting with bytecode-enabled freetype, presumably
with different fonts? Do you find the same bad antialiased rendering
that I found, or do other fonts work well?
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Re: Zoot apt/openssh & new DVD playing doc
Once upon a time, Chris wrote :
> On Tue, 2002-10-08 at 10:36, Matthias Saou wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Two new things today :
> >
> > 1) I've had to install a Red Hat Linux 6.2 server because of an old
> > proprietary IVR software that doesn't work on newer releases :-( So
> > I've recompiled both the latest apt and openssh packages for it, and
> > they are now available with a complete "os, updates & freshrpms" apt
> > repository at apt.freshrpms.net, for those who might be interested.
>
> Gack. Did you try 7.3 with the compat-glibc first? Or does it require an
> antique kernel?
It requires a 2.2 kernel, plus antique just-about-everything :-/ Real crap!
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Re: RedHat 8.0 and his own freetype
On Tue, 08 Oct 2002 23:15:07 -0700
Ben Liblit <liblit@eecs.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> Ick. Perhaps this is why Red Hat turned the bytecode interpreter off.
> It may improve non-antialiased rendering, but only at the expense of
> making a mess of antialiased rendering.
>
> This may come down to a matter of personal aesthetics, but for my part,
> I'm going back to Red Hat's standard packages with the bytecode
> interpreter turned *off*.
Yes, confirmed, but for my part, I'm using mostly non-antialiased fonts
and
they are true ugly without the bytecode interpreter enabled.
Remember my stupid request about your RPM ;-)
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Re: Apt repository authentication: it's time
Hi.
Brian Fahrlander <kilroy@kamakiriad.com> wrote:
> What's it take to ensure we're covered against this kind of
> childish/moronic/Microsoft-era problems?
Well, I am checking the packet signatures while building the apt-tree.
Not very pretty, not very fast, but it works.
Nonetheless:
did anyone ever play with this:
http://distro.conectiva.com.br/pipermail/apt-rpm/2002-August/000653.html
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Re: Apt repository authentication: it's time
Once upon a time, Brian wrote :
> OK, it's now time to work out the PGP securing of apt repository
> traffic. I've never gotten anything but "sitename.whatever will not
> be authenticated" until running Redhat 8.0 when I get something
> about having "No Key" for various files.
I don't think gpg signing my repositories will help anything, as it will
just ensure that my passphrase was typed to confirm the md5 signatures of
all pgklists and srclists. Basically, you'll then just be sure that it's me
who generated the files, and this will of course prevent automating the
process of updating the apt repository when Red Hat updates show up.
In Red Hat Linux 8.0 though, the warnings about "No Key" appear until you
import the right gpg public keys directly with rpm, for example :
rpm --import /usr/share/doc/apt-0.5.4cnc7/RPM-GPG-KEY
(this will import my key, which is used to sign all freshrpms.net packages)
Hopefully it is possible to the tell rpm to install *only* packages who
verify against an imported gpg key? This for me would be the optimal way to
ensure integrity with the way things curently work.
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Re: Apt repository authentication: it's time
On Wed, 9 Oct 2002 11:03:11 +0200, Matthias Saou <matthias@rpmforge.net> wrote:
> I don't think gpg signing my repositories will help anything, as it will
> just ensure that my passphrase was typed to confirm the md5 signatures of
> all pgklists and srclists. Basically, you'll then just be sure that it's me
> who generated the files, and this will of course prevent automating the
> process of updating the apt repository when Red Hat updates show up.
Isn't there a packager-key that's concealed inside the rpm? Things have changed a bit since I used to work with'em, but I thought there was some internal number that must be compared to be correct (or, presumably, return an error.)
> In Red Hat Linux 8.0 though, the warnings about "No Key" appear until you
> import the right gpg public keys directly with rpm, for example :
> rpm --import /usr/share/doc/apt-0.5.4cnc7/RPM-GPG-KEY
> (this will import my key, which is used to sign all freshrpms.net packages)
Hey, cool; wether it protects me or not, I feel better about it.
> Hopefully it is possible to the tell rpm to install *only* packages who
> verify against an imported gpg key? This for me would be the optimal way to
> ensure integrity with the way things curently work.
Yeah, surely there's a flag for that; there is, for everything else, aye? :)
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[zzzzteana] Plumstead Panther - Pictures!
Looks and sounds a hell of a lot like Clare's cat, Violence...
A tall tail or is it a prowling panther?
http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/weird/display.var.633939.Bizarre+London.0.html
Security cameras at the Gardiner house filmed the cat
The Plumstead panther has been spotted just yards from the scene of a
sighting made three weeks ago but this time it was caught on camera.
Steve Gardiner, 41, claims to have spotted the large cat in his garden in
Upton Road, Plumstead, in the sixth reported sighting in Woolwich and Bexley
in just four weeks.
Mr Gardiner told News Shopper he watched the big cat as it walked alongside
the house at about 7.15am, on Wednesday, September 25, while his security
cameras captured it on film.
The father-of-four described the black cat as about 3ft long and
two-and-a-half-foot high, with a large body.
He said: "It prowled past the patio doors moving with all the mannerisms of
a hunter.
"It looked at me calmly before moving on."
The bricklayer told how his work colleagues let him know News Shopper had
been following the big cat story so he decided to call our offices with news
of the sighting.
His wife, Karen, 41, later checked the tape which had captured grainy images
of the large cat prowling through their garden.
She said: "I feel sorry for it not living in its natural habitat I'd hate
for it to get hurt."
Mr Gardiner told how he is convinced of the cat's existence saying how their
usually quiet 18-year-old dog barks at "nothing" in the garden but barked
that morning.
He warned: "I don't think these cats are dangerous but, if cornered, they
might jump you."
Sightings of the large black cat are being reported all over the Plumstead
Common and Shooters Hill as well at the Bexley area.
If you have seen the big cat, call News Shopper on 01689 885712.
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[zzzzteana] A Billy for the septics
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2310209.stm
Tuesday, 8 October, 2002, 13:53 GMT 14:53 UK
Quiz: Know your Cockney Rhyming Slang?
Cockney Rhyming Slang is alive and well with new terms being invented all
the time, according to the new Oxford Dictionary of Rhyming Slang being
published this week.
But do you know a Raquel Welch (belch) from a Billie Piper (windscreen
wiper)?
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[zzzzteana] Punch bags filled with incontinence pads
http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/weird/display.var.633932.Bizarre+London.0.html
An investigation has been launched after punch bags on sale in Greenwich
were found to be stuffed with incontinence pads and bandages.
Trading standards officers, working for Greenwich Council, were alerted to
the situation after a Bryan punch bag, purchased in Argos, in Charlton Road,
Charlton, was found to be full of bandages.
Also stuffed inside the piece of sporting equipment was a letter from a
woman in Fife stating how she felt quite disgusted' about the bag and asking
for the filling to be tested.
The unfortunate shopper had bought his first bag, at Argos, in Lewisham High
Street, but had returned it because on investigation of a leak he was
horrified to discover it was filled with incontinence pads.
So far, officers have purchased two of the punch bags, only to find they
contain incontinence pads and strips of shredded duvet.
Cabinet member for public services Councillor Angela Cornforth said: "This
is one of the strangest stories I have every heard.
"Our officers are in the process of investigating and will no doubt discover
why the bags contain such unusual contents."
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Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..
On Sat, 24 Aug 2002, Adam L. Beberg wrote:
--]And yet STILL noone is out there creating _public domain_ content. Is there
--]even one person out there can can even begin to talk without being a
--]complete hypocrite? And no the "open source" people cant talk either, the
--]GPL aint even close. I know I cant talk.
All my music is in the Public Domain.
There are others.
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Re: The GOv gets tough on Net Users.....er Pirates..
> If the creator didnt say you could have it without paying, it's theft, so
> simple, hell that's even in all the major holy books.
Wow, I've got a great idea! I'll hire a skywriter to write "you can't
look at this without paying," then lock up everybody who looked at it and
didn't pay! It can't fail -- Jesus is on my side!
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Re: The case for spam
Lucas Gonze:
>Senders should vary the recipient list to include non-targets, like party
>officials, and to exclude targets enough to give them plausible
>deniability.
Which means the sender has a list of who the true
targets are, and who the fake targets are, and
scripts for mixing these. On the receiving side,
my email client distinguishes between messages
that are read, and messages that are not. I like
to mark or save messages that are particularly
interresting or important to me. And even if I
make a point to delete "suspicious material"
immediately upon reading it, even THAT might
leave an interesting kind of trace on my machine.
Sorry, but I don't buy the argument that spam
protects people who want to distribute or see
material the government disapproves.
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Re: The case for spam
Russell Turpin wrote:
> On the receiving side,
> my email client distinguishes between messages
> that are read, and messages that are not. I like
> to mark or save messages that are particularly
> interresting or important to me. And even if I
> make a point to delete "suspicious material"
> immediately upon reading it, even THAT might
> leave an interesting kind of trace on my machine.
You choose to have your email client do that. You don't have to. Short
of Palladium, you can do whatever you want with bytes you hold, including
reading messages and erasing the traces. I'll buy a chocolate sundae for
anyone who can show otherwise.
An attacker might be able to verify that you *have* read a message (e.g.
by seeing that you saved and edited a copy) but not that you *haven't*.
If your email client was compromised you could put a packet sniffer on the
line before downloading mail. If an attacker installed a packet sniffer
sniffer, you could run it in a spoofing VM.
The only exception to the rule that your machine belongs to you is --
maybe -- Palladium.
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Re: "Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch...."(was Re: My brain hurts)
--- begin forwarded text
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 11:39:34 -0400
To: "R. A. Hettinga" <rah@shipwright.com>
From: Somebody
Subject: Re: "Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch...."(was Re: My brain hurts)
And then there was the one from Prairie Home Companion:
Q. Why is a viola larger than a violin?
A. It just looks that way because a violin player's head is bigger.
>--- begin forwarded text
>
>
>Status: RO
>Delivered-To: fork@spamassassin.taint.org
>From: "Joseph S. Barrera III" <joe@barrera.org>
>Organization: Rose Garden Funeral of Sores
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>Subject: Re: "Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch. Ouch...."(was Re: My brain hurts)
>Sender: fork-admin@xent.com
>Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 15:17:40 -0700
>
>There are so many good musician jokes.
>
>A couple of my favorites:
>
>Q. What's the difference between a viola and a violin?
>A. A viola burns longer.
>
>Q. What's the definition of a minor second?
>A. Two oboes playing in unison.
>
>- Joe
>
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