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I have to disagree with this. I have a 92 Z28 with a 350 and a 4-speed auto w/ overdrive, and it is really better that way. Chevy autos are reknowned for their long life and ability to handle copious amount of power. I live in the Dallas area, and a manual would be much harder to drive in the traffic here. Now if I still lived out in the sticks like I used to, a manual would be more fun. Safety-wise, an auto is less distracting...I would hate to have to be shifting gears while I was trying to ease into traffic in the freeways here. Performance-wise, I can hold my own against any stock 5.0 Mustang or 5.0 Camaro w/ a five speed. All of this IMHO... :)
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rec.autos
I have 2 New and 2 slightly used SyQuest 44M cartridge forsale. Asking $230 for all of them and shipping is included.
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misc.forsale
I am in charge of purchasing some computer software for a small office and I have a few question about Microsoft's Office Pack. 1) I was wondering, are the programs that are packaged with the Office Pack--WinWord, Power Point, Excel, and ccMail--complete and the latest addition? 2) Are the programs "hobbled" in any way? 3) Can we update single programs at a latter date ( i.e. from Excel 4.0 to Excel 5) ? 4) Do you receive all of the necessary disks and documentation? 5) Is there anything that I should be aware of that makes the Office Package less of deal that it seems? Sorry if I seem skeptical put the price for the Office Package--$439.39 on the street--sounds like a great deal for the office that is purchasing its first computer and software. But all four complete programs for less than $450 makes me just a little suspicious. Maybe its just me. Thanks for your help in advance Kirt Wilson Northwestern University -------------------------------
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc
I answer from the position that we would indeed place these people in prison for life. That depends not only on their predisposition towards murder, but also in their success rate at escape and therefore their ability to commit the same crimes again. In other words, if lifetime imprisonment doesn't work, perhaps it's not because we're not executing these people, but because we're not being careful enough about how we lock them up. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea.
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alt.atheism
And that, of course, is the point. You can't simply divide the world into atheists and non-atheists on the basis of god-belief. If all you care about is belief in a supernatural deity, and have nothing to say about behaviour, then belief in a supernatural being is your criterion. But once you start talking about behaviour, then someone's suscept- ibility to be led by bad people into doing bad things is what you are - I assume - worried about. And in that area, what you care about is whether someone is sceptical, critical and autonomous on the one hand, or gullible, excitable and easily led on the other. I would say that a tendency to worship tyrants and ideologies indicates that a person is easily led. Whether they have a worship or belief in a supernatural hero rather than an earthly one seems to me to be beside the point.
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alt.atheism
Just as a matter of interest, a self-promo computer graphics sequence that one of the local TV stations used to play quite a lot a couple of years ago showed a 3D flyover of Australia from the West coast to the East. The clouds were quite recognisable as fuzzy, flat, white Mandlebrot sets!!
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comp.graphics
hmm - i thought francesca's predictions ALWAYS hovered at or below .500, especially in the nfl. (not counting college football bowl day). he's a nice analyst for explaining past tense, and for mapping out what plays teams might do - but for predicting the future, he only looks good whne compared to russo.
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rec.sport.baseball
cjackson> I am very glad to know that none of you judgemental little shits has cjackson> ridden/driven when too tired, sleepy, hungover, angry, or distracted cjackson> in the last 3 years. Why, if you had then you might be just as guilty Some of us not-so judgmental little shits don't drive/ride when we're impaired. I stopped doing that sort of thing when a good friend of mine got killed by a drunk driver who failed to stop for a red and drove through the side of her volvo in his '72 caddy. Then again, I suspect most of the responsible adults on the net don't bother posting in flame wars on rec.moto. cjackson> "There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom cjackson> in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson He also owned slaves, kept some as forced concubines, and had enough resources to do what he wanted without fear of reprisal. Then again, he also smoked dope.
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rec.motorcycles
No, Caleb, it's not the quality of ESPN that I have a problem with; it is superb, whereas it did not evolve beyond the point where ESPN left off when hockey went to SC (this is excepting SC's use of feeds from CBC (-;). It's the amount of hockey they're showing, or lack of it, that we're complaining about. They had rights to two OT's that could've been shown on Sunday night after baseball ... and they had pickup trucks racing through oversized pigpens followed by Super-8 home movies of old car races (yes, I was checking in desperation for Canucks-Jets) last night after SportsCenter. gld
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rec.sport.hockey
I have written a program and I want to market it. I would like certain degree of protection, since my main custmers are individuals and not the cooperations. I know laser hole burning method, and hardware key method, however, my software is going to cost only $15.00, so I can not afford that. Also, at this low price I can not afford people make too many copy of my software. Well, I guess say upto %20 illigal copying is ok by me. However, I do not want someone to get a copy of PCTools and copy my software. Off course, I never meant to forbid the true hackers from copying, since they can develope a better program anyway. With highest regards, Babak Sehari.
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sci.electronics
When the Lunar Society's $500M estimate of the cost of a lunar colony was mentioned at Making Orbit, somebody asked Jerry Pournelle "have you talked to Bill Gates?". The answer: "Yes. He says that if he were going to sink that much money into it, he'd want to run it -- and he doesn't have the time." (Somebody then asked him about Perot. Answer: "Having Ross Perot on your board may be a bigger problem than not having the money.")
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sci.space
It seems to deter those who are executed from future criminal activity. Why don't you compare the rates at which blacks and whites commit crimes? Blacks commit crimes disproportionately, so in a perfectly fair penal system, blacks would be disproportionately represented. (Note: black vs. white crime rates is not a racial thing. It's probably an economic thing: poor people are more likely to commit crimes, and blacks are more likely to be poor. The way to reduce the proportion of minorities in prison is to increase the wealth of minorities.)
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talk.politics.misc
Does anyone have any experience using LCIII with MIDI? Do they get along OK? I have heard that the IIvx is not suitable for MIDI, but I have not heard anyon e say anything definitive about LCIII and MIDI? If you have had experience, wh at MIDI interface have you used? Anyone used Finale software in this setting? Please e-mail. I will summarize. Thanks,
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comp.sys.mac.hardware
Okay here is what I have so far: Have a group (any size, preferibly small, but?) send a human being to the moon, set up a habitate and have the human(s) spend one earth year on the moon. Does that mean no resupply or ?? Need to find atleast $1billion for prize money. Contest open to different classes of participants. New Mexico State has semi-challenged University of Alaska (any branch) to put a team together and to do it.. Any other University/College/Institute of Higher Learning wish to make a counter challenge or challenge another school? Say it here. I like the idea of having atleast a russian team. Some prefer using new technology, others old or .. The basic idea of the New Moon Race is like the Solar Car Race acrossed Australia.. Atleast in that basic vein of endevour.. Any other suggestions?
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sci.space
That's okay: it's what all the rest of them who come on here say... This isn't the guy who was a lawyer was he? Could you give more info on this guy (never mind- I'm sure there will be PLENTY of responses to this post, and it will appear there) This is true. Make sure it is true for ALL cases. Why not both? ;) Why not die for a lie? If you were poverty stricken and alunatic, sounds perfecetly reasoable to me. As to whether the societal dregs he had for followers would be able to tell if he was a liar or not, not necessarily. Even if he died for what he believed in, this still makes him completely selfish. Like us all. So what's the difference. People There is no historical proof of this (see earlier threads). Besides, he (or at least his name), have been the cause of enough deaths to make up for whatever healing he gave. SIEG HEIL!! Who is David Koresh? I am curious. Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the How does this follow? Your definition of lunatic (and "disproof" thereof seem rather... uhhh.. SHAKY) Good idea. Naturally, those or not TRUE Christians, right? ;) Someone else handle this, I don't know if it's worth it... *sigh*
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alt.atheism
Report them to your local BBB (Better Business Bureau).
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sci.med
Is there a 768x1024 Trident driver for windows anywere. This mode is supported by the drivers fo OS/2 but I have not been able to find it for Windows. (768x1024 means 768 wide and 1024 high as opposed to 1024x768) Any help is appreciated.
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc
From Israeline 4/14 Today's MA'ARIV reports that yesterday, following Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's meeting with PLO Chief Yasser Arafat and prominent Palestinian Faisal al-Husseini, the latter said that in principle, the Palestinians have decided to participate in the peace talks. Nonetheless, he noted that everything will be decided upon at the meeting of the Arab foreign ministers in Damascus. The newspaper also reports that threatening phone calls were recently made to houses of several of the senior members of the Palestinian delegation to the peace talks. The threats, in Arabic, demanded that the delegates not go to Washington to, "sell out the Palestinian people." One caller threatened, "Should you go, you will not find your family alive upon your return." The newspaper states that such phone calls were received, as far as is known, at the houses of Faisal al-Husseini, Hanan Ashrawi and others.
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talk.politics.mideast
Want to sell a 1980 MAZDA GLC for $300 or b.o. Excellent working condition. Just passed inspection. Has a sun roof. No marks on body. Contact soon kohli@ecs.umass.edu or (413_549-4738.
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misc.forsale
Despite my trendy, liberal, feminist tendencies and the fact that I basically agree with what you are saying I will rebut: The basic question here is "how do I know what I am supposed to do?" This is true in every situation that comes up. Some people do not think about it at all and merely follow their impulses. I claim that is just as dangerous as "following authority". I could site sexually transmitted diseases, drug abuse, all manner of criminal activity, the savings and loan scandal, car accidents, eggs thrown at my house, all are examples of people not "following authority". I could easily argue that in the evil examples you gave the problem was a leader not following _his_ authority and doing what he wanted. Of course, where is the top of the chain? Therein lies our search. I don't think it's as simple as you are claiming. "Pressing need" is ambiguous. Should I recycle or not? Realize that I have four kids who, despite being very precocious of course, are very tiring with their constant lack of understanding the tremendous knowledge I wish to impart to them. Ahh! An ironic ending. The irony I was implying in my initial pithy retort to the bumper sticker cliche "Question Authority" was that I was questioning the authority of the person telling me to question authority. It seems there is a certain segment of society that finds meaning only in being different, only in rebelling, forsaking everything for the sake of freedom. I question their integrity and fortitude. There is another freedom that comes from doing a task correctly. Different people are at different levels of development in different areas. Part of the challenge of life is to find the right authorities to follow, we can't know everything about everything. Often when learning a new skill or subject I will follow the teacher, perhaps blindly. Only when I have learned enough to ask appropriate questions should I question him, only when I have developed my skills enough should I challenge him. Once again, how do I know when I get to those stages? If you have to be told to question authority, perhaps you shouldn't.
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soc.religion.christian
i'd just like to repeat and emphasize that because someone else is trying to make you feel horrible and worthless does not mean that you should feel that way, although that's easier to say than believe sometimes. remember, God made you and loves you, so he must think you're something special. (excuse the trite language here.) also, the bully may just be someone who is mean for no reason -- not out of intentional mental torture. has anyone else been harassed? maybe they're just not talking about it. i would have emailed but my reactions weren't fast enough and the post i'm responding to didn't include your address. just take courage and remember that all of us on the net are rooting for you.
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soc.religion.christian
DUDE! Are you nuts? WFAN is second to none. Jody Mac's exit was quite a loss, but if you think Fredericks On The FAN was much of one, you're pretty skewed.
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rec.sport.baseball
Hi, I just got myself a Gateway 4DX-33V and trying to configure X11R5 for it. Has anyone done this before ? More specifically, I need a correct Xconfig file entry that is set up for my graphics card and monitor. I have a 15" Color CrystalScan 1572FS monitor and a VESA LOCAL BUS ATI Ultra Pro with 1MB VRAM video card. Any help will be extremely appreciated. Thanks in advance. Please send replies to christy@alex.qc.ca
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comp.windows.x
I had a similar reaction to Chinese food but came to a completly different conclusion. I've eaten Chinese food for ages and never had problems. I went with some Chinese Malaysian friends to a swanky Chinses rest. and they ordered lots of stuff I had never seen before. The only thing I can remember of that meal was the first course, scallops served in the shell with a soy-type sauce. I thought, "Well, I've only had scallops once and I was sick after but that could have been a coincidence". That night as I sat on the bathroom floor, sweating and emptying my stomach the hard way, I decided I would never touch another scallop. I may not be allergic but I don't want to take the chance.
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sci.med
Here is a story. I bought a car about two weeks ago. I finally can get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence history of the car. In between '91 and '92, the instrument pannel of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset to zero. Therefore, the true meter reading is the reading before replacement plus current mileage. That shows 35000 mile difference comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from. The dealer never told me anything about that important story. I hope that I can return the car with full refund. Do u think this is possible? Does anyone have similar experiences? Any comments will be appreciated. Thanks.
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rec.autos
Apparently that last post was a little hasy, since I called around to more places and got quotes for less than 600 and 425. Liability only, of course. Plus, one palced will give me C7C for my car + liab on the bike for only 1350 total, which ain't bad at all. So I won't go with the first place I called, that's fer sure.
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rec.motorcycles
If one is a vegan (a vegetarian taht eats no animal products at at i.e eggs, milk, cheese, etc., after about 3 years of a vegan diet, you need to start taking B12 supplements because b12 is found only in animals.) Acutally our bodies make B12, I think, but our bodies use up our own B12 after 2 or 3 years. Lacto-oveo vegetarians, like myself, still get B12 through milk products and eggs, so we don't need supplements. And If anyone knows more, PLEASE post it. I'm nearly contridicting myself with the mish-mash of knowledge I've gleaned.
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alt.atheism
: Are there significant differences between V2.01 and V2.00 ? : Thank you for helping No. As I recall, the only differences are in the 3ds.set parameters - some of the defaults have changed slightly. I'll look when I get home and let you know, but there isn't enough to actually warrant upgrading.
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comp.graphics
Here is another way of looking at it. When we die we are released from the arc of time, and able to comprehend our lives in toto. To visit each moment in time sequentially or all at once, but not able to alter the actions thoughts or feelings we had/have/will have in this life. From that perspective, I posit that all will have direct knowledge of God, and be able to recognize at each moment of time wether we were doing what we ought. That the experience of having lived a life far from God will be an eternal torment. That having lived a life of grace, will be an eternal joy. That the resurrection of the body comes not from any physical reconstitution of our present forms, but knowledge of our present forms by our fully cognizant souls. As an Aside: If we were to be restricted for all time to our present form, would you opt for immortality? James Sledd
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soc.religion.christian
Rich Thompson posts some blather about the Libertarian Party: What pray tell do the Libertarians know about winning elections? Bob --
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talk.politics.misc
From the "JPL Universe" April 23, 1993 Cosmologist Stephen Hawking tours Lab
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sci.space
I agree. I also think Roy needs a good kick sometimes...that horrible 4-0 loss to the Capitals last week...yeeeech! Here's to Cup #23...this year! -- Richard J. Rauser "You have no idea what you're doing." rauser@sfu.ca "Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."
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rec.sport.hockey
CENTERS [...] [...] Sanderson will be on Team Canada, but he'd be out of position as a center. Although he was drafted as a center and played there as a rookie, Sanderson scored 46 goals this season as a left wing.
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rec.sport.hockey
See, there you go again, saying that a moral act is only significant if it is "voluntary." Why do you think this? And anyway, humans have the ability to disregard some of their instincts. You are attaching too many things to the term "moral," I think. Let's try this: is it "good" that animals of the same species don't kill each other. Or, do you think this is right? Or do you think that animals are machines, and that nothing they do is either right nor wrong? Those weren't arbitrary killings. They were slayings related to some sort of mating ritual or whatnot. Yes it was, but I still don't understand your distinctions. What do you mean by "consider?" Can a small child be moral? How about a gorilla? A dolphin? A platypus? Where is the line drawn? Does the being need to be self aware? What *do* you call the mechanism which seems to prevent animals of the same species from (arbitrarily) killing each other? Don't you find the fact that they don't at all significant?
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alt.atheism
did you account for depreciation? i seriously doubt that a taurus would rack up an extra $4000 in repair costs over 5 years.
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rec.autos
Cheap airline ticket to L.A. on April. 21 (tuesday) from Indi. or Chicago and return about in 10 - 14 days wanted.
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misc.forsale
Dogs will chase anything that moves. I have two dogs and they love chasing me when I ride off. They will also chase any car that passes , running along the footpath/sidewalk at up to 60kph. They don't seem to go after trucks though, the size difference must be a factor. It also works in my favour though, I can exercise them quite easily by riding 1/2 mile up the road and back a few times.
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rec.motorcycles
Is there a FAQ on Cyrix 486DLC? Could anyone please repost it or email to me, if I missed it? Thanks in advance. ... Alexander Poylisher, Internet: apoylis@inode.com; FidoNet: 1:2603/106
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
I would be grateful to anyone who knows about an X-windows application that would emulate HP 2623A graphics in a manner similar to the way TEK graphics windows are implemented in xterm. Thanks for you help.
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comp.windows.x
OOPS. My original message died. I'll try again... I always understood (perhaps wrongly...:)) that the bacteria in our digestive tracts help us break down the components of milk. Perhaps the normal flora of the intestine changes as one passes from childhood. Is there a pathologist or microbiologist in the house?
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sci.med
The primary problem in human nature is a "fragmentation of being." Humans are in a state of tension, a tension of opposites. Good and evil are the most thought provoking polarities that come to mind. The Bible provides us with many examples of the fragmentation of being. The warring opposites within us are a product of man's rebellion against God, which is described so vividly in the pages of the Scriptures. Man was created with the order to become a god. Those were the words of St. Basil in the fourth century. What he was trying to say was that God created man to be a partaker of the divine nature. In the Eastern Orthodox Church, this is called "theosis," or "deification." One can also say that man was created to be whole, i.e. spirit, soul, and body operating in unison. The story of Adam and Eve is a picture of the archetypal humans before obtaining moral consciousness. Theirs was a harmonious relationship with each other, the world, and the Creator. That innocent harmony was shattered when they disobeyed God, their natural wholeness falling apart into two seemingly irreconcilable halves. Immediately, guilt and fear was manifested in their lives. They become bound to hardship, toil, and suffering. This is symbolized in their exile from the paradisiac state. The beast in the jungle does not possess moral consciousness. If it were to receive this self-awareness, the knowledge of good and evil, its paradisiac state would also be destroyed. Was it the intention of the Creator to leave man in this state of innocence all the days of his existence on earth? Or was the gaining of self-awareness carefully staged by God, who did not desire that His masterpiece, mankind, be a blissful idiot? God must have known that, for mankind to achieve any kind of moral value, he must pass through a confrontation with the opposites. There is no other way to achieve union with God. Jesus Christ is the answer to the problem of the warring polarities. He was the perfectly integrated individual, reconciling the opposites, and making it possible for us to be integrated, i.e. to become God, not in His essence, but in His energies. The opposites is THE Christian problem. The Apostle Paul describes it with the utmost precision in Romans 7:15-24. And he follows with the answer to his dilemma in vs 25.
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talk.religion.misc
: Upon arriving at home, Joseph probably took advantage of Mary...had his way : with her so to speak. Of course, word of this couldn't get around so Mary, : being the highly-religious follower that she was decided "Hey, I'll just say : that GOD impregnated me...no one will ever know!" : : Thus, seen as a trustworthy and honorable soul, she was believed... : : And then came Jesus, the child born from violence. : : : Dave, Can you explain the purpose of your post, I can't imagine what you must have thougt it meant.
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alt.atheism
I seem to be having some trouble with this... I can get the mac to go to sleep, but I can't make seem to make it wake up with SetWUTime(). I am aware of the error in the header files and IM VI. I am setting the WU time to be about two minutes, then putting the mac to sleep, but it doesn't wakeup at the appointed time.... Does it require a call to SystemTask in order to make sure that everything is setup?
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comp.sys.mac.hardware
Compartment syndrome occurs when swelling happens in a "compartment" bounded by fascia. The pressure rises in the compartment and blood supply and nerves are compromised. The treatment is to open the compartment surgically. THe most common places for compartment syndromes are the forearm and calf. It is an emergency, since if the pressure is not relieved, stuff will die. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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sci.med
It is a bit unfair to call blame the Clinton Administration alone...this initiative was underway under the Bush Administration...it is basically a bipartisan effort of the establishment Demopublicans and Republicrats...the same bipartisan effort that brought the S&L scandal, and BCCI, etc.
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talk.politics.misc
"...a la Chrysler"?? Okay kids, to the nearest thousand, how many dollars did the government spend to "bail out" Chrysler? More than zero you say? Bzzzzzzzzzt. Wrong answer.
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talk.politics.misc
Heya all, I've got a pair of Oakley forsale There are frogskins, with aurborn red. THere are no scratches and only used them once or twice last summer. I'm looking for about 25-30 dollars but please give me a bid. I'm am looking for the following items A BUBBLE JET PRINTER that works and is el cheapo... i was looking for a cannon BJ-5 but if u have a bubble jet to sell please tell me. I'm looking to spend about $100 or so. A sound cards (sound blaster compatible). Again I'm looking fer something cheap, such as $50 or so dollars. thanks whirley
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misc.forsale
Usually one or two teams changes their logo or a minor uniform change per season, but the past few seasons have been incredible. Any thoughts on the new (old) Reds uniforms. I remember seeing a Pete Rose rookie card, and unless I miss my guess he was wearing the exact same duds. The Mets (HOW ABOUT DOC'S PERFORMANCE TODAY?!!!!!) have reinserted the Mets patch on the shoulder, and changed the Mets insgnia on the front of the jersey. To my knowledge it is the first time that has been changed since 1962, and it reminds me a little of the Dodger logo. Many teams have opted for a return to a previous style of uniform, or at least uniforms that look more traditional. (Phillies, Reds, Expos, White Sox, Padres, etc.) and the once bright colors have been altered to gray. The trend has also seen the newer baseball fields resembling the parks of the early years, as opposed to the cookie-cutter saucer stadiums construcrted throughout the sixties. With salaries now reaching unbelievable highs, no one in the comissioner's office, and inter-league play on the horizon, it's nice to see that baseball at least looks like it was meant to be.
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rec.sport.baseball
where can I buy 1 or 2 of these chips (pref in Australia)? What is name and address of `UMC'? Dan -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Adrian Blockley ! I may say something profound Environmental science ! here one day. Murdoch University ! Western Australia, 6153 ! blockley@essun1.murdoch.edu.au ! phone 09-360 2737 !
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sci.electronics
"Jack Previdi" <p00020@psilink.com> writes, in reply to Dorothy Heydt reminding us that advertising is not done on Internet: As a matter of fact D.J., it does make a difference. Almost a half million new users joined the Internet last year, many of them are commercial businesses. The ban on commercial use of Internet is no more. Jack, there is a difference between using the network for commercial purposes and advertising in newsgroups. Business communication is okay. Advertising to hundreds of thousands of users around the planet who have no desire to receive advertising is not okay. Those of us who pay for Internet access are constrained only by our innate good taste and no have no "administrator" to guide(?) us. I suspect that a site which generated a large volume of material not in anybody's good taste would find itself getting a lot of attention it didn't want. You may belong to the public library, but that doesn't mean you can deface the books, disorder the stacks, or disturb the other patrons. You're constrained by the same rules that the rest of the users (many academic and military, who get irritable about a network for which they pay with tax and grant money carrying private business advertising) follow. There are Secret Masters here, just like everywhere else. They're not as obvious as the ones on Prodigy, but they're here. No doubt at some point the Internet, like everything else, will become grotty enough to carry advertising. At that time I hope it is confined to its own newsgroups and not on discussion groups---like misc.writing.
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misc.forsale
:Is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia? : :-fm Not only is it effective, it is in fact the drug of choice for uncomplicated cases of community-acquired penumonia.
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sci.med
I have a 1982 Regal and I am interested in buying a fiberglass hood, trunk, and bumpers for it. Does anybody know of a company who makes fiberglass parts for Regals ?? Thanks in advance,
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rec.autos
This kind of argument cries for a comment... : >>...God did not create : >>disease nor is He responsible for the maladies of newborns. : > : >>What God did create was life according to a protein code which is : >>mutable and can evolve. Without delving into a deep discussion of : >>creationism vs evolutionism, God created the original genetic code : >>perfect and without flaw. : > ~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~~ Do you have any evidence for this? If the code was once perfect, and has degraded ever since, we _should_ have some evidence in favour of this statement, shouldn't we? Perhaps the biggest "imperfection" of the code is that it is full of non-coding regions, introns, which are so called because they intervene with the coding regions (exons). An impressive amount of evidence suggests that introns are of very ancient origin; it is likely that early exons represented early protein domains. Is the number of introns decreasing or increasing? It appears that intron loss can occur, and species with common ancestry usually have quite similar exon-intron structure in their genes. On the other hand, the possibility that introns have been inserted later, presents several logical difficulties. Introns are removed by a splicing mechanism - this would have to be present, but unused, if introns are inserted. Moreover, intron insertion would have required _precise_ targeting - random insertion would not be tolerated, since sequences for intron removal (self-splicing of mRNA) are conserved. Besides, transposition of a sequence usually leaves a trace - long terminal repeats and target - site duplications, and these are not found in or near intron sequences. I seriously recommend reading textbooks on molecular biology and genetics before posting "theological arguments" like this. Try Watson's Molecular Biology of the Gene or Darnell, Lodish & Baltimore's Molecular Biology of the Cell for starters. : Remember, the question was posed in a theological context (Why does : God cause disease in newborns?), and my answer is likewise from a : theological perspective -- my own. It is no less valid than a purely : scientific perspective, just different. Scientific perspective is supported by the evidence, whereas theological perspectives often fail to fulfil this criterion. : I think you misread my meaning. I said God made the genetic code perfect, : but that doesn't mean it's perfect now. It has certainly evolved since. For the worse? Would you please cite a few references that support your assertion? Your assertion is less valid than the scientific perspective, unless you support it by some evidence. In fact, it has been claimed that parasites and diseases are perhaps more important than we've thought - for instance, sex might have evolved as defence against parasites. (This view is supported by computer simulations of evolution, eg Tierra.) : Perhaps. I thought it was higher energy rays like X-rays, gamma : rays, and cosmic rays that caused most of the damage. In fact, it is thermal energy that does most of the damage, although it is usually mild and easily fixed by enzymatic action. : Actually, neither of us "knows" what the atmosphere was like at the : time when God created life. According to my recollection, most : biologists do not claim that life began 4 billion years ago -- after : all, that would only be a half billion years or so after the earth : was created. It would still be too primitive to support life. I : seem to remember a figure more like 2.5 to 3 billion years ago for : the origination of life on earth. Anyone with a better estimate? I'd replace "created" with "formed", since there is no need to invoke any creator if the Earth can be formed without one. Most recent estimates of the age of the Earth range between 4.6 - 4.8 billion years, and earliest signs of life (not true fossils, but organic, stromatolite-like layers) date back to 3.5 billion years. This would leave more than billion years for the first cells to evolve. I'm sorry I can't give any references, this is based on the course on evolutionary biochemistry I attended here. : >>dominion, it was no great feat for Satan to genetically engineer : >>diseases, both bacterial/viral and genetic. Although the forces of : >>natural selection tend to improve the survivability of species, the : >>degeneration of the genetic code tends to more than offset this. Again, do you _want_ this be true, or do you have any evidence for this supposed "degeneration"? I can understand Scott's reaction: : > Excuse me, but this is so far-fetched that I know you must be : > jesting. Do you know what pathogens are? Do you know what : > Point Mutations are? Do you know that EVERYTHING CAN COME : > ABOUT SPONTANEOUSLY?!!!!! : : In response to your last statement, no, and neither do you. : You may very well believe that and accept it as fact, but you : cannot *know* that. I hope you don't forget this: We have _evidence_ that suggests everything can come about spontaneously. Do you have evidence against this conclusion? In science, one does not have to _believe_ in anything. It is a healthy sign to doubt and disbelieve. But the right path to walk is to take a look at the evidence if you do so, and not to present one's own conclusions prior to this. Theology does not use this method. Therefore, I seriously doubt it could ever come to right conclusions. : >>Human DNA, being more "complex", tends to accumulate errors adversely : >>affecting our well-being and ability to fight off disease, while the : >>simpler DNA of bacteria and viruses tend to become more efficient in : >>causing infection and disease. It is a bad combination. Hence : >>we have newborns that suffer from genetic, viral, and bacterial : >>diseases/disorders. You are supposing a purpose, not a valid move. Bacteria and viruses do not exist to cause disease. They are just another manifests of a general principle of evolution - only replication saves replicators from degradiation. We are just an efficient method for our DNA to survive and replicate. The less efficient methods didn't make it to the present. And for the last time. Please present some evidence for your claim that human DNA is degrading through evolutionary processes. Some people have claimed that the opposite is true - we have suppressed our selection, and thus are bound to degrade. I haven't seen much evidence for either claim. : But then I ask, So? Where is this relevant to my discussion in : answering John's question of why? Why are there genetic diseases, : and why are there so many bacterial and viral diseases which require : babies to develop antibodies. Is it God's fault? (the original : question) -- I say no, it is not. Of course, nothing "evil" is god's fault. But your explanation does not work, it fails miserably. : You may be right. But the fact is that you don't know that : Satan is not responsible, and neither do I. : : Suppose that a powerful, evil being like Satan exists. Would it : be inconceivable that he might be responsible for many of the ills : that affect mankind? I don't think so. He could have done a much better Job. (Pun intended.) The problem is, it seems no Satan is necessary to explain any diseases, they are just as inevitable as any product of evolution. : Did I say that? Where? Seems to me like another bad inference. : Actually what you've done is to oversimplify what I said to the : point that your summary of my words takes on a new context. I : never said that people are "meant" (presumably by God) "to be : punished by getting diseases". Why I did say is that free moral : choices have attendent consequences. If mankind chooses to reject : God, as people have done since the beginning, then they should not : expect God to protect them from adverse events in an entropic : universe. I am not expecting this. If god exists, I expect him to leave us alone. I would also like to hear why do you believe your choices are indeed free. This is an interesting philosophical question, and the answer is not as clear-cut as it seems to be. What consequences would you expect from rejecting Allah? : Oh, I admit it's not perfect (yet). But I'm working on it. :) A good library or a bookstore is a good starting point. : What does this have to do with the price of tea in China, or the : question to which I provided an answer? Biology and Genetics are : fine subjects and important scientific endeavors. But they explain : *how* God created and set up life processes. They don't explain : the why behind creation, life, or its subsequent evolution. Why is there a "why behind"? And your proposition was something that is not supported by the evidence. This is why we recommend these books. Is there any need to invoke any why behind, a prime mover? Evidence for this? If the whole universe can come into existence without any intervention, as recent cosmological theories (Hawking et al) suggest, why do people still insist on this? : Thanks Scotty, for your fine and sagely advice. But I am : not highly motivated to learn all the nitty-gritty details : of biology and genetics, although I'm sure I'd find it a : fascinating subject. For I realize that the details do : not change the Big Picture, that God created life in the : beginning with the ability to change and adapt to its : environment. I'm sorry, but they do. There is no evidence for your big picture, and no need to create anything that is capable of adaptation. It can come into existence without a Supreme Being. Try reading P.W. Atkins' Creation Revisited (Freeman, 1992). Petri
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The interesting notion is that (I watched TV tonight) Koresh never claimed officially to be Jesus Christ. His believers hoped that he would be, but he never took this standpoint himself. He was more interested in breaking the seven seals of Revelation, and make sure that Armageddon would start. Well it did, and 19 children died, and no God saved them. Kent
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At issue was not a trial behind closed doors, but arrest, trial and imprisonment in complete secrecy. This was appraently attempted in the case of Vanunu and failed. It has happened before, and there is reason to believe it still goes on. Read this: From Ma'ariv, February 18 (possibly 28), 1992 PUBLICATION BAN The State of Israel has never officially admitted that for many years there have been in its prisons Israeli citizens who were sentenced to long prison terms without either the fact of their arrest or the crimes of which they were accused ever being made public. By Baruch Me'iri All those involved in this matter politely refused my request, one way or another: "Look, the subject is too delicate. If I comment on it, I will be implicitly admitting that it is true; If I mention a specific case, even hint at it, I might be guilty of making public something which may legally not be published". The State of Israel has never officially admitted that for many years there have been in its prisons Israeli citizens who were sentenced to long prison terms without either the fact of their arrest or the crimes of which they were accused ever being made public. More precisely: A court ordered publication ban was placed on the fact of their arrest, and later on their imprisonment. In Israel of 1993, citizens are imprisoned without us, the citizens of this country, knowing anything about it. Not knowing anything about the fact that one person or another were tried and thrown in prison, for security offenses, in complete secrecy. In the distant past -- for example during the days of the [Lavon - YA] affair -- we heard about "the third man" being in prison. But many years have passed since then, and what existed then can today no longer be found even in South American countries, or in the former Communist countries. But it appears that this is still possible in Israel of 1993. The Chair of the Knesset Committee on Law, the Constitution and Justice, MK David Zucker, sent a letter on this subject early this week to the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice, and the Cabinet Legal Advisor. Ma'ariv has obtained the content of the letter: "During the past several years a number of Israeli citizens have been imprisoned for various periods for security offenses. In some of these cases a legal publication ban was imposed not only on the specifics of the crimes for which the prisoners were convicted, but even on the mere fact of their imprisonment. In those cases, after being legally convicted, the prisoners spend their term in prison without public awareness either of the imprisonment or of the prisoner", asserts MK Zucker. On the other hand Zucker agrees in his letter that, "There is absolutely no question that it is possible, and in some cases it is imperative, that a publication ban be imposed on the specifics of security offenses and the course of trials. But even in such cases the Court must weigh carefully and deliberately the circumstances under which a trial will not be held in public. "However, one must ask whether the imposition of a publication ban on the mere fact of a person's arrest, and on the name of a person sentenced to prison, is justified and appropriate in the State of Israel. The principle of public trial and the right of the public to know are not consistent with the disappearance of a person from public sight and his descent into the abyss of prison." Zucker thus decided to turn to the Prime Minister, the Minister of Justice and the Cabinet Legal Advisor and request that they consider the question. "The State of Israel is strong enough to withstand the cost incurred by abiding by the principle of public punishment. The State of Israel cannot be allowed to have prisoners whose detention and its cause is kept secret", wrote Zucker. The legal counsel of the Civil Rights Union, Attorney Mordechai Shiffman said that, "We, as the Civil Rights Union, do not know of any cases of security prisoners, Citizens of Israel, who are imprisoned, and whose imprisonment cannot be made public. This is a situation which, if it actually exists, is definitely unhealthy. Just like censorship is an unhealthy matter". "The Union is aware", says Shiffman, "of cases where notification of a suspect's arrest to family members and lawyers is withheld. I am speaking only of several days. I know also of cases where a detainee was not allowed to meet with an attorney -- sometimes for the whole first month of arrest. That is done because of the great secrecy. "The suspect himself, his family, his lawyer -- or even a journalist -- can challenge the publication ban in court. But there are cases where the family members themselves are not interested in publicity. The journalist knows nothing of the arrest, and so almost everyone is happy..." Attorney Yossi Arnon, an official of the Bar, claims that given the laws as they exist in Israel today, a situation where the arrest of a person for security offenses is kept secret is definitely possible. "Nothing is easier. The court orders a publication ban, and that's that. Someone who has committed security offenses can spend long years in prison without us knowing anything about it." -- Do you find this situation acceptable? Attorney Arnon: "Definitely not. We live in a democratic country, and such a state of affairs is impermissible. I am well aware that publication can be damaging -- from the standpoint of security -- but total non-publication, silence, is unacceptable. Consider the trial of Mordechai Vanunu: at least in his case we know that he was charged with aggravated espionage and sentenced to 18 years in prison. The trial was held behind closed doors, nobody knew the details except for those who were authorized to. It is somehow possible to understand, though not to accept, the reasons, but, as I have noted, we at least are aware of his imprisonment." -- Why is the matter actually that serious? Can't we trust the discretion of the court? Attorney Arnon: "The judges have no choice but to trust the presentations made to them. The judges do not have the tools to investigate. This gives the government enormous power, power which they can misuse." -- And what if there really is a security issue? Attorney Arnon: "I am a man of the legal system, not a security expert. Democracy stands in opposition to security. I believe it is possible to publicize the matter of the arrest and the charges -- without entering into detail. We have already seen how the laws concerning publication bans can be misused, in the case of the Rachel Heller murder. A suspect in the murder was held for many months without the matter being made public." Attorney Shiffman, on the other hand, believes that state security can be a legitimate reason for prohibiting publication of a suspect's arrest, or of a convicted criminal's imprisonment. "A healthy situation? Definitely not. But I am aware of the fact that mere publication may be harmful to state security". A different opinion is expressed by attorney Uri Shtendal, former advisor for Arab affairs to Prime Ministers Levi Eshkol and Golda Meir. "Clearly, we are speaking of isolated special cases. Such situations contrast with the principle that a judicial proceeding must be held in public. No doubt this contradicts the principle of freedom of expression. Definitely also to the principle of individual freedom which is also harmed by the prohibition of publication. "Nevertheless", adds Shtendal, "the legislator allowed for the possibility of such a ban, to accommodate special cases where the damage possible as a consequence of publication is greater than that which may follow from an abridgment of the principles I've mentioned. The authority to decide such matters of publication does not rest with the Prime Minister or the security services, but with the court, which we may rest assured will authorize a publication ban only if it has been convinced of its need beyond a shadow of a doubt." Nevertheless, attorney Shtendal agrees: "As a rule, clearly such a phenomenon is undesirable. Such an extreme step must be taken only in the most extreme circumstances."
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Suggestion: try "Exposing the New Age" by Douglas Groothuis.
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I have a 386/33 with 8 megs of memory I have noticed that lately when I use programs like WpfW or Corel Draw my computer "boggs" down and becomes really sluggish! What can I do to increase performance? What should I turn on or off Will not loading wallpapers or stuff like that help when it comes to the running speed of windows and the programs that run under it? Thanx in advance Derek
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I'm looking for a decent Windows news reader. I've given up on winvn 0.76 since it doesn't work very well with the winsock.dll of the IBM TCP/IP for DOS 2.1. What the status of Trumpet for Windows? Will it use the Windows sockets ? I liked it in DOS but had to abandon it since I started using NDIS to access our token ring (results in invalid class error :( Bye!
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In <C5GIA7.7x9@acsu.buffalo.edu> NEIL B. GANDLER :> I am an electrical engineering student and its a must that I get familiar :> with spice. I have been using it and getting used to it but it would :> be great to have a good reference manual that explains everything in an :> organized and concise. I current have "A guide to circuit simulation & :> Analysis using spice". I feel it has the information is just randomly placed :> in the book and its not easy to look up small things when you just :> need a good reference book. I would appreciate any info. Thanks There is a postscript manual at ic.berkeley.edu in pub/spice3/um.3f.ps directory (about 650kbytes, 126 pages).
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Hello netters! I'm visiting the US (I'm from Sweden) in August. I will probably rent a Chevy Beretta from Alamo. I've been quoted $225 for a week/ $54 for additional days. This would include free driving distance, but not local taxes (Baltimore). They also told me all insurance thats necessary is included, but I doubt that, 'cause a friend rented a car last year and it turned out he needed a lot more insurance than what's included in the base price. But on the other hand he didn't rent it from Alamo. Does anyone have some info on this? Is $225 a rip-off? Probability that I'll be needing more insurance? Is the beretta a good rental car? Thanx
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Not really, though I wouldn't personally say "the most deserving candidate wins". Rarely does a player win ROY when called up in mid season, and there have been several duds in recent years. But this is more a factor of mediot biases than anything else. (I wonder. If Amaral hits like he is capable of, will he receive ROTY votes? He's only 31, he could have a long career ahead of him! :-) I think they are a second-division team. They should finish ahead of the Royals, Mariners, and *possibly* Athletics. But I don't think they'll be above .500. (I think the East is stronger this year.) Last year their pitching was bad and their offense was horrible. This year their offense is better, but their pitching is still pretty bad. Even if Finley returns to form, he won't replace what they lost in Abbott. Sanderson? Farrell? I don't believe it. And while their BA may be good, and they have decent speed, their offense lacks punch. They don't have any bona fide power hitters. (Salmon, Snow, Davis, and Curtis? None with more than 20 HR potential.) Cheers, -Valentine
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I deleted much of the following article in order to discuss the specific issue of whether it is acceptable to divorce. I have thought about the implications, and it is scary. We have a whole generation of families broken up because some men have decided that is is okay to leave their wives and children for the thrill of a younger, more attractive woman. If we accept that it is legitimate for Jane to have divorced, how can we not accept anyone's decision to divorce because he has found someone with whom he can have a more "deep, committed relationship." Marriage is not a state of being, it is a mutual journey in life. Love is not a passive feeling, it must be actively willed. Is it acceptable for an older executive to dump his wife of many years who stayed home to care for the children because he can't be happy sexually unless he is with a beautiful young blonde? The real solution for both in the couple to make a renewed effort. Hold fast to the faith. Has not the Lord repeatedly compared His relation to His people as a faithful and enduring husband? We learn something very deep and very mystical when we marry and remain faithful through times of trial. My spouse has a brain tumor that has left her partially paralyzed. If it were to resume growing (it is in remission, thanks be to God!) then perhaps the time would come when we could not have sexual relations. That's life...the Lord would certainly not give me permission to seek someone else to satisfy my "needs." The idea that it is alright to divorce if a couple "grows apart" seems to me to lead to such a monstrous destruction of the meaning of marriage that I feel we must make every effort to avoid any hint of compromise. We have become so petty and small-minded that some husbands are threatening to divorce their wives unless the wives lose weight!
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Hi I am trying to implement a pointer feature in Xlib I have multiple windows and all can take input and show output simultaneously on all other displays I want to implement a pointer feature I would like to get the pointer to come up on all windows once I choose pointer in the menu and every one should be able to see it Can you give me some hints as to how I should proceed replies will be greatly appreciated
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comp.windows.x
Though I agree this is not the place to discuss guns, I note in passing that a number of gun apologists seem to have ignored the words "well regulated" in their distorted interpretations of the Second Amendment. David
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talk.politics.guns
I have a HP 1740 scope that (I think) has a problem in the HV section. Symptom: started turning on and off on its own, making intermittant bright flashes on the CRT, and then finally, passed away. If you have a manual (or any suggestions), please send me mail. Will gladly pay reproduction/shipping costs plus a little $ for your efforts for the manual. Thanks in advance. --- Jeff
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Has ANYONE who has ordered the new PC version of Imagine ACTUALLY recieved it yet? I'm just about ready to order but reading posts about people still awaiting delivery are making me a little paranoid. Has anyone actually held this piece of software in their own hands? Later,
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comp.graphics
As am I If "high quality secure NSA classified technology" means handing my key over to whomever, I'll take PGP any day. Right now they are billing it as voluntary, i.e. bend over, here it comes. As soon as enough Wiretap chip based units are out there, how much easier do you think it will be to redefine "on your own" to mean write it yourself and don't even THINK about distributing it...? Get honest, no one is going to buy this trash if they KNOW it's compromised already, and less will buy it if the algorithm is not disclosed. The NSA knows that making this stuff available to the public means handing it to whatever foreign powers are interested in the process. Since when has export control stopped anyone (especially software wise) Ask yourself carefully if " high quality secure NSA classified technology " is something they are going to hand out. Not unless you can drive a NSA van through the holes. uni (Dark)
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The shell is waiting for the window-manager to respond to its positioning request. The window-manager is not responding because it thinks the window is already in the right place. Exactly *why* the two components get into this sulk is unclear to me; all information greatly received.
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comp.windows.x
You might try the recorder and make a micro. I done that to do certain operations in a windows app that didn't have the ability to use a micro. It should be in the Accessories window. The only problem is that it has to be runing for it to work. But, Good Luck.
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While I agree with you on that formal training is essential for safe riding, I disagree strongly with your original point. The point of formal training must be to prepare riders for the road. Preparedness is in my opinion to know as much as possible. So, to exclude some aspects of riding a bike in a course is wrong IMHO. Now to countersteering in particular. Countersteering is something that must be trained. A common reaction among new bikers (or bicycle riders) in an emergency situation, is to steer the motorcycle like a bicycle. As we know this makes the motorcycle go in the direction opposite to what was intended. Needless to say, this is dangerous. I have a specific example: A rider in a left turn. The rider thinks he/she is to close to the right shoulder of the road, and tries to steer the motorcycle to the left by pulling the left handle and pushing the right handle. The motorcycle straightens up and goes off the road. A worse scenario: The same rider, same turn. In the middle of the turn the rider sees a truck coming towards him/her. The panicking rider tries to steer the motorcycle away from the truck and crashes right into it. The main function of a riding course is to teach how to avoid emergency situations, AND what to do if in one. Thus, the knowledge (and training) of countersteering is IMHO a must in any riding course.
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Steve, take a look at what you are saying. I don't see one construvtive word here. If you don't have anything constructive to add, why waste the bandwidth - yeah, sure, flame me for doing it myself. Is this sci.med or alt.flame? Like it or not, medical science does *not* know categorically everything about everything. I'm not flaming your knowledge, just asking you to sit back and ask yourself "what if?" "Minds are like parachutes - they only function when they are open." Oh - and if you *do* want to flame me or anyone else, how about using email? Rob Who doesn't claim any relevant qualifications, just interest --
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Somewhere, someone told me that Satan was the angel in charge of music in heaven, and on top of that, he was the most beautiful of the angels. Isn't it funny that these days how MTV has become the "bible" of music and beauty these days. MTV controls what bands are popular, no matter how bad they are. In fact, it is better to be politically correct - like U2, Madonna - than to have any musical talent. Then of course, you have this television station that tells us all how to dress. Think about it, who started the retro-fashion craze?? MTV and Madonna. Gag. Anyway, just food for thought. It is really my own wierd theory. If Revelation was to come true today, I think MTV would the "ever changing waters" (music and fashion world) that the beast would arise from, and Madonna will be the whore of Babylon, riding the beast and drinking the blood of the martyrs. Hmmmm....great idea for a book/movie.....
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I second the motion. All in favor? BTW>> a few days ago, Charles Fee <CXF111@psuvm.psu.edu> posted the names, addresses, and phone numbers (voice and fax) of almost all the 103rd congress's members. This info, along witha great number of cabinet men, etc... I captured it, as did many others, I am sure. We should single out a few of the people on the list, and bombard them with lobbying against the Clipper Chip, et al. -nate
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Might be a good idea... The resolution you requested is about 0.3mV In order to get what you've paid for, noise level better be lower than that. It is kind of hard to do it in a noisy box like you can expect inside a PC. Before you pay $$$ for a PC card, test it out by sampling a low distortion sine wave (I think there is a sine wave on a CD. Digital Domain ? There are possibly other low THD sources) Run the digitized waveform through a FFT transform and take alook at the noise floor on the spectrum. That's should give you a good indication of the design. (That's what I am doing to test a data acquistion system I have designed - I got the idea from MAXIM data sheet.) If you can live with 14 bit resolution, I would recommend looking at the MAX121 from MAXIM. It is a high speed (308KHz) complete sampling A/D with DSP interface. The input range is +/- 5V and it uses a serial interface (which can easily be optically isolated from the computer to elinimate a major noise source) The Analog design guide I got from them shows a -100db noise level. They claim a -77db max (-85 typ.) THD. Looks pretty good for the $12 @ 1000 pieces A evaluation kit is available. Might want to give these nice folks a call. 1-800-998-8800 or fax: (408)737-7194 and (408) 737-7600 ext4000 for application assistance. This assumes that you can build your own DAS and write your own software. (Hey you can get the MAX121 as a free sample just by calling the 1-800 #) I would recommend you to find out the resolution that can be gotten out of your system by looking at the noise level, otherwise you might be throwing out your money. K. C. Lee Elec. Eng. Grad. Student
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Harumph. Getting published in these newsletters is hardly something to aspire to. :-) I can't really argue with your logic, though I think you may be extrapolating a bit recklessly from what appears to be a sample size of one. Even if what you say about this local Pittsburgh guy is true, it is not logical or fair to conclude that this is true of all doctors who treat Lyme disease. By your logic, I could conclude that all of the physicians who consult for insurance companies and make money by denying benefits to Lyme patients are doing it for the money, rather than because they believe they are encouraging good medicine. I have no idea how sincere these guys are, but their motives are as suspect as the physicians you excoriate for what you believe to be indiscriminate treatment. I would really feel more comfortable discussing the medical issues in Lyme, rather than speculating as to the motives of the various parties involved.
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Kent: With all due respect, how can I take you seriously, when you have the NAMES wrong in the 1st place? E.g.: There is no such thing. The correct name is Ancient & Mystical Order Rosae Crucis, abbreviated AMORC. There is no such thing either. It's the Rosicrucian Fellowship. And they clearly state that they DO NOT pretend to descend from the Order of the Fama Fraternitatis. The Lectorium? And who else? These are NOT Rosicrucian "orders". They are Masonic study groups, none of which *claims* to be descendant of the original Order. What is ORC? If you mean AMORC, you didn't even learn the correct name?!
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It's my understanding that the freezing will start to occur because of the growing distance of Pluto and Charon from the Sun, due to it's elliptical orbit. It is not due to shadowing effects. Pluto can shadow Charon, and vice-versa. George Krumins --
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azw>Weight and size over rough roads is a definite no-no. If is starts to azw>drift, you aint going to catch it. mrb>If you're riding hard enough for this to be of concern, then yes, a mrb>lighter bike is more beneficial. ms>If you're not riding hard enough for this to be a concern, are you ms>having any fun? Sure. I've never been much of a racerboy, as anybody who's attended the Minibike Spectacular can attest. ;^) I get a great deal of satisfaction in riding fast, yet now so fast as to be overly concerned about not being able to maintain a clean line. And while I'm still known to slide the occasional tire, I much prefer to stay just to the sticky side of that line. I've found that I don't heal as well as I used to in days of yore. BTW, how's the knee? mrb>anyway. Am I more likely to catch a 400 than a 250? Not necessarily. mrb>Tires, road surface and rider ability are a much more important criteria. ms>Actually, big horsepower is just as likely to get you out of trouble ms>when it "Starts to Drift" as your puny body mass pushing on stuff. A well ms>placed push from 80 or 90 horsepower can do a lot to straighten or change ms>in a beneficial way the trajectory of the bike/rider system. That's a Quite true. Another plus for a 500+ bike, the original thread, I think. Damn circular threads... ;^) ms>Go fast. Take chances. ms> ms> Mike S. Mr. Bill
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How do you take off the driver side door panel from the inside on an '87 Honda Prelude? The speaker went scratchy, and I want to access its pins. Why are you posting this tripe to rec.autos.vw?
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It appears that Walla Walla College will fill the same role in alt.atheist that Allegheny College fills in alt.fan.dan-quayle. Converts to xtianity have this tendency to excessively darken their pre-xtian past, frequently falsely. Anyone who embarks on an effort to "destroy" xtianity is suffering from deep megalomania, a defect which is not cured by religious conversion. Different perspective? DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE?? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! (sigh!) Perhaps Big J was just mistaken about some of his claims. Perhaps he was normally insightful, but had a few off days. Perhaps many (most?) of the statements attributed to Jesus were not made by him, but were put into his mouth by later authors. Other possibilities abound. Surely, someone seriously examining this question could come up with a decent list of possible alternatives, unless the task is not serious examination of the question (much less "destroying" xtianity) but rather religious salesmanship. How many Germans died for Nazism? How many Russians died in the name of the proletarian dictatorship? How many Americans died to make the world safe for "democracy". What a silly question! Is everyone who performs a healing = God? It's probably hard to "draw" an entire nation to you unless you are crazy. Anyone who is convinced by this laughable logic deserves to be a xtian.
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Hi, all! Anyone knows of a Motif mailing list? I don't have access to network news and there is no longer a motif list at alfalfa.com. Thanks, Joel. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joel Reymont ! Z-Code Software Corporation ! e-mail: joel@z-code.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4340 Redwood Hwy, Suit B.50, San Rafael, CA 94903
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comp.sys.mac.hardware
After watching the Pengiuns all year (and as many other teams as possible), I've really noticed an increase in Tom Barasso's cheap shots this year (and not noticed a corrsponding increase with other goaltenders). I've also noticed that he usually gets away with it. Just as examples last night, I noticed him elbowing Scott Stevens in the head, which basically started the whole shoving match that got Stevens (Scott) and Tocchet 2 minute minors. He also KICKED John McLean. Of course he wasn't called for that. Isn't kicking an automatic match penalty and 10 game suspension? I think Glenn Anderson got one a few years ago for kicking Gaetan Duchesne in the chest. There's no doubt in my mind that Barasso is the dirtiest golatender since Hextall. He's also very good. How about that Tocchet head-butt? Is there an automatic susppension that goes along with a (non-kicking) match penalty? I can't remember anymore.
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rec.sport.hockey
You can change it. As part of a continuously downsizing Government organization, my code (branch) changes about once a year. I just finished changing the registration information using Norton Utilities. I sent the original requester the hex offset into USER.EXE containing the information, and his reply indicated he got several similar answers. And it's not encoded in any way. As for the legality, there's nothing that keeps me from changing the information; it certainly doesn't reach out and alter the serial number printed on the inside of my manual.
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comp.os.ms-windows.misc
I spoke to a sales dweeb in 3X, a Ducati dealer here in Blighty, and he had nothing good to say about them... it appears they are waaaay underpowered, (basically, it's the 750/900 with a 400cc engine), and there have been some quality problems (rusty _frame_ !!). Save your pennies... buy the 900 :)
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rec.motorcycles
A brief political/cultural item. Radio station WGMS in Washington is a classical music station with a large audience among high officials (elected and otherwise). Imagine a radio station that advertises Mercedes Benzes, diamond jewelry, expensive resorts and (truthfully) Trident submarines. This morning I heard a commercial for the space station project. Didn't catch the advertiser. Guess they're pulling out all the stops.
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sci.space
>> bad people, while not interfering with good people, I think we'd all be >> for it. The problem is, the methods we're using now don't do the trick. > Don't manufacture them. Don't sell them. Don't import them. > > Some guns will get through, but far fewer, and far less people will > die because of them. Hunting weapons could be allowed, of course, as > long as they are big, and bulky, and require reloading after a few > shots (how many times can you shoot at the same animal, anyways One > assumes they are moving!) A better solution:
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talk.politics.guns
Moscow Scientific Inductrial Association "Spectrum" offer VIDEOSCAN vision system for PC/AT,wich include software and set of controllers. SOFTWARE For support VIDEOSCAN family program kit was developed. Kit includes more then 200 different functions for image processing. Kit works in the interactive regime, and has include Help for non professional users. There are next possibility: - input frame by any board of VIDEOSCAN family; - read - white image to - from disk; - print image on the printer; - makes arithmetic with 2 frames; - filter image; - work with gistogramme; - edit image. - include users exe modules. CONTROLLER VS9 The function of VS-9 controller is to load TV-images into PC/AT. VS-9 controller allows one to load a fragment of the TV-frame from a field of 724x600 pixels. The clock rate is 14,7 MHz when loading an image with 512 pixel in the line and 7,4 MHz when loading a 256 pixels image. This provides the equal pixel size of input image in both horizontal and vertical directions. The number of gray levels in any input modes is 256. Video signal capture time - 2.5s. CONTROLLER VS52 The purpose of the controller is to enter the TV images into a IBM PC AT or any other machine of that type. The controller was created on the base of modern elements, including user programmable gate arrays. The controller allows to digitize a input signal with different resolutions. Its flexible architecture makes possible to change technical parameters. Instead of TV signal one can process any other analog signal (including signals from slow-speed scanning devices). The controller has the following technical characteristics: - memory volume - from 256 K to 2 Mb ; - resolution when working with standard video signal - from 64x64 to 1024x512 pixels ; - resolution when working in slow input regime - up to 2048x1024 pixels; - video signal capture time - 40 ms. - maximum size of a screen when memory volume is 2Mb - 2048x1024 pixels ; - number of gray level - 256 ; - clock rate for input - up to 30 MHz ; - 4 input video multiplexer ; - input/output lookup table (LUT); - possibility to realize "scroll" and "zoom"; - 8 lines for external synchronization (an input using external controlling signal) ; - electronic adjustment of black and white reference for analog - digital converter; - possibility output image to the color RGB monitor. One can change all listed above functions and parameters of the controller by reprogramming it. IMAGE PROCESSOR VS100
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comp.graphics
Dynakit PAS-2x for sale It's a pure tube pre-amp, using two 12AX7s in phono stage and also two 12AX7s in line stage. One 12x4 is used in power supply. clean in and out neat workmanship works fine with good sound owner's manuel
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misc.forsale
You can be sure they wouldn't do it if it wasn't to their advantage.
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rec.autos
I have heard that the sabbath was originally determined by the phases of the moon, and had elements of moon worship. Early stuff, Egyptian in nature.
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talk.religion.misc
Of course if this question was asked in a group dealing with economics, the answer would be that the cause of war was economic. My observations over the past 30 years (and not withstanding a little history reading beside) is that while religious differences do play a part in many of the conflicts, so does (unfortunately) race, economics and any other items that identify one group of men as being different from another. If we want to couch the cause of conflict in Christian terms, I would put it while Christ died for our sins, we are yet sinners. While some individuals assume "Christlike" natures, most of us do not even come close. I realize that in many ways this is a trite answer, but I guess that it is my way of rationalizing man's constant (or so it seems) conflict. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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soc.religion.christian
Once, on Jeopardy, the category was "Jewish Sports Heros," believe it or not. The answer was, "This pitcher had four no-hitters with the Dodgers in the 60s." The contestant said, "Who is Hank Aaron?" Alex Trebek said something like, "I don't think Hank Aaron was a pitcher."
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rec.sport.baseball
Dont you believe that the Branch Davidians committed suicide for one minute. I would not put it past the FBI to lob in some incendiary grenades while they feed your their story. Don't ever ever trust what your wonderful government tells you. Janet Reno and the FBI have the murder of a hundred people on their hands. Hope they can sleep at night.... P.Vasilion, kb2nmv SUNY @ BUFFALO <<STD.DISCLAIMERS>>
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talk.politics.guns
Some motherboards support VL bus and 50-DX CPU. There is an option (BIOS I think) where additional wait(s) can be added with regard to CPU/VL bus transactions. This slows the CPU down to a rate that gives the VL bus device(s) time to 'do their thing'. These particular wait(s) are applied when the CPU transacts with VL bus device(s). You want to enable these wait(s) only if you are using a 50-DX with VL bus devices. This is from reading my motherboard manual, and these are my interpre- tations. Your mileage may vary. Strictly speaking, VL and 50mhz are not compatable. And, there is at least one 'fudge' mechanism to physically allow it to work.
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comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
An review of both the Mac and Windows versions in either PC Week or Info World this week, said that the Windows version was considerably slower than the Mac. A more useful comparison would have been between PhotoStyler and PhotoShop for Windows. David
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comp.graphics
Hi, I'm new to this group so please bear with me! Two years ago I wrote a Sunview application for fast animation of raster files. With Sunview becoming rapidly obselete, I've finally decided to rewrite everything from scratch in XView. I put together a quick test, and I've found that XPutImage() is considerably slower (factor of 2 on average?) than the Sunview command pw_rop() which moves image data from memory pixrects to a canvas. This was on a Sparc IPX. It seems that: (1) the X protocol communication is slowing things down; or (2) XPutImage is inefficient...or both! My question is, what is the fastest way in X11R5 to dump 8 plane image data to a window? Can I take advantage of the fact that the client is running on the same machine as the server? Or am I stuck with XPutImage() (in which case I might as well give up now...)? All help appreciated...thanks! Derek -----------------------------------------------------------
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comp.windows.x
Two questions: When was this, and do you have the relevant numbers. (Please note, this is *not* in any way an indication I don't believe you or that you're not correct, but when the drop occured is relevant.) The primary objection (beyond ones based on the ideal of RKBA that it is simply not something the government should do) is that it makes guns a play-thing and tool of the rich and connected. It discriminates against the poor. Is self-defense considered appropriate, and if so, under what conditions? (Are you allowed, for instance to get a gun for protection if you're going to be carrying a very large sum of money on a regular basis or have been threatened.) This has been suggested in the U.S., and generally supported among gun owners. What many object to is that many, if not most, proposals contain a sort of "gotcha" clause which allows an arbitrary denial, even if you qualify in every way. At this point, it should be pointed out that in general a driver's licence in the U.S. is for the most part nothing like its European counterpart. I understand getting one is far more difficult there than here. In the U.S. it's a joke. But my usual objection is that you're discussing two different things. For instance, in the U.S. a driver's license is a permit to operate a motor vehicle on a public road. It is not necessary to own one, or to operate it on private property. That is, the ability to require driving permits is generally considered to arise from the government's legitimate power to enact reasonable regulations for behavior on public lands. A permit to own an automobile, for instance, which is far closer an analogy, would be a much harder thing to get past legally, since it wouldn't be based on making regulations on public property, but in restricting activity on private property. This varies *widely*. (One thing I think Europeans have a difficult time with is that the U.S. has fifty unique jurisdictions, where the laws from one state to another can be as radically different as from one country in Europe to another). Some places allow open carry of both guns and knives. Some allow concealed. Some prohibit both, or allow one or the other. And it can be either a state or local restriciton. The question must be asked: Is the right of *this* individual affecting the rights of this *other* individual. What we usually get is that the rights of this *group* (meaning some individuals within this group, here defined as "people who own guns,") are adversely affecting the rights of some other group. If for instance, "Bob" were using his gun to attack "Steve," you'd have a point. But essentially what we're discussing is that becuase some person who qualifies as a member of the group "people who own guns" then some third person, perhaps in another *time zone* is told that their being a member of that group is taking away somebody else's rights. It's like trying to punish all newspapers for the libel commited by one. The issue is crime, violence, and murder. The question is to what extent guns and gun legislation impact those. Of course not. It would be nice if we didn't have to fear that other people might get it into their twisted little minds to hurt us. But currently we don't have that option. Nor do I expect we will. No state does. In any case, there's a limit to which the state may enforce it's "wisdom" on me. Freedom in general is an unwise concept. If you pre-emptively restrict everything which might be "unwise" then freedom becomes a meaningless concept. I'll raise my hand against driver's licenses. As currently implemented they're a waste of time and little more than revanue generation for the State and ignored by a startling number of drivers. It does not guarantee a level of skill any higher than is necessary to get your car on the road and get yourself or somebody else killed, or a knowledge of traffic laws beyond what any ten year old will have picked up riding around in his parents car. But, as I mentioned, they're two different things.
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talk.politics.guns
Got a few things I want to get rid of... Paradise EGA480/Casper EGA Monitor 1 12 MHz '286 motherboard (DRAM/SIPP) 1 16 MHz '286 momboard (DRAM only) 1 Hayes "Prodigy special" 2400b external modem 1 1Meg SIPP 1 256K SIPP about 2 Megs DRAM (I believe there's 1M of 120ns, and one of 100 or 80ns, but not absolutely sure). Also have an XT with 640K, serial board, Hercules board and amber monitor. The only thing this system is missing is the power supply. Make an offer on any/all of this stuff, and thanx for contributing to Mitch's V.32bis modem fund. Mitch NOTE: Cross-posted to several forsale froups; followups redirected back to me! There's a reason for that - I don't read these groups.
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misc.forsale