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[ { "start": 0, "end": 6.2, "text": " HTC just introduced the HTC One, the company's new flagship phone, and we're taking a look" }, { "start": 6.2, "end": 9.3, "text": " at how it compares to some of the best phones currently on the market." }, { "start": 9.3, "end": 11.48, "text": " So the big thing here obviously is the screen." }, { "start": 11.48, "end": 17.240000000000002, "text": " The One has a 4.7 inch 1080p display, which at 468 pixels per inch is as high res as we've" }, { "start": 17.240000000000002, "end": 18.84, "text": " seen on a smartphone ever." }, { "start": 18.84, "end": 23.94, "text": " Other 1080p screens we've seen have all been larger, five inches like the Sony Xperia Z," }, { "start": 23.94, "end": 29.12, "text": " and similar sized screens, 4.7 or 4.8 inches, have all been 720p like the Galaxy S3 and" }, { "start": 29.12, "end": 32.92, "text": " the Nexus 4, so this adds a whole new level of resolution." }, { "start": 32.92, "end": 36.1, "text": " The phone's still almost the exact same size as most of its competition." }, { "start": 36.1, "end": 40.56, "text": " It's a little taller and thinner than the Galaxy S3, and slightly taller than the Nexus" }, { "start": 40.56, "end": 44.32, "text": " 4, but basically it's a big phone like most Android phones these days." }, { "start": 44.32, "end": 48, "text": " And that makes the iPhone 5, which is smaller and still relatively high res, feel really" }, { "start": 48, "end": 49, "text": " different." }, { "start": 49, "end": 52.32, "text": " In terms of raw processing power, this is as good a phone as we've ever seen." }, { "start": 52.32, "end": 57.040000000000006, "text": " It runs Qualcomm's latest Snapdragon 600 processor, which is a quad-core chip that's an upgrade" }, { "start": 57.04, "end": 62.64, "text": " over the S4, which is inside the Galaxy S3, and even over the still pretty new S4 Pro" }, { "start": 62.64, "end": 65.16, "text": " inside the Nexus 4 and the Xperia Z." }, { "start": 65.16, "end": 68.12, "text": " It's also clocked a little faster than its competition, but that's not as important a" }, { "start": 68.12, "end": 69.36, "text": " number in a smartphone." }, { "start": 69.36, "end": 74, "text": " It comes with 2 gigs of RAM, and either 32 or 64 gigs of internal storage, which is higher" }, { "start": 74, "end": 75.66, "text": " higher than all of its competition." }, { "start": 75.66, "end": 78.03999999999999, "text": " The One comes with all the standard Android phone trappings." }, { "start": 78.03999999999999, "end": 80.86, "text": " It has LTE, Bluetooth 4.0, and all that." }, { "start": 80.86, "end": 84.88, "text": " One definite advantage it has is an IR blaster inside its power button, which you can use" }, { "start": 84.88, "end": 86.28, "text": " as a remote for your TV." }, { "start": 86.28, "end": 87.84, "text": " There aren't a lot of phones that have that." }, { "start": 87.84, "end": 91.66, "text": " HTC also talked a lot about the camera on the One, and interestingly, this is one place" }, { "start": 91.66, "end": 95.64, "text": " where HTC kind of loses big on specs, but it's hoping that doesn't matter." }, { "start": 95.64, "end": 100.04, "text": " Whereas the Nexus 4, the iPhone 5, and the Galaxy S3 all have 8 megapixel cameras, and" }, { "start": 100.04, "end": 104.84, "text": " the Xperia Z goes all the way to 13.1, the HTC has a grand total of 4 megapixels." }, { "start": 104.84, "end": 108.84, "text": " Of course, HTC is calling them ultra pixels, and claims that they're far better than anything" }, { "start": 108.84, "end": 112.86, "text": " else out there, but it's really betting big on software, while the others are using more" }, { "start": 112.86, "end": 114.2, "text": " normal camera specs." }, { "start": 114.2, "end": 118.12, "text": " Generally on paper, the One looks as good as any Android phone we've seen yet, but" }, { "start": 118.12, "end": 121.96000000000001, "text": " as always with Android phones, and HTC phones in particular, we're going to have to put" }, { "start": 121.96000000000001, "end": 125.64, "text": " the battery, the software, and its hardware to the test before we decide for sure." }, { "start": 125.64, "end": 129.48000000000002, "text": " The phone's coming out around the world soon, and it'll be on Sprint, AT&T, and T-Mobile" }, { "start": 129.48000000000002, "end": 130.48000000000002, "text": " in the US." }, { "start": 130.48, "end": 145.76, "text": " We'll keep you posted once we get one to test out for real." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 2.72, "text": " It's Thursday, February 19th, 2013." }, { "start": 2.72, "end": 7, "text": " I'm Adrienne Jeffries, and I have a third degree black belt in subtlety." }, { "start": 7, "end": 9.52, "text": " This is 90 Seconds on the Verge, brought to you by Motorola." }, { "start": 9.52, "end": 12.52, "text": " Apple is the latest company to fall victim to hacking attacks." }, { "start": 12.52, "end": 16.32, "text": " Cupertino announced today that a small number of Apple employees had their computers compromised" }, { "start": 16.32, "end": 18.38, "text": " thanks to a vulnerability in Java." }, { "start": 18.38, "end": 21.76, "text": " The same Java exploit was used in a Facebook attack disclosed last week." }, { "start": 21.76, "end": 26.32, "text": " Twitter, the New York Times, and the Washington Post have all reported similar incidents," }, { "start": 26.32, "end": 29.060000000000002, "text": " with several of them traced back to operatives in China." }, { "start": 29.06, "end": 32.92, "text": " Apple is releasing a malware removal tool today, but if you're running a Mac, or any" }, { "start": 32.92, "end": 37.08, "text": " computer really, you might want to think real hard about whether you really need Java." }, { "start": 37.08, "end": 42.2, "text": " There's a new member of the HTC smartphone family, and the one is really the one." }, { "start": 42.2, "end": 44.72, "text": " The company announced the new HTC One this morning." }, { "start": 44.72, "end": 49.599999999999994, "text": " The Android smartphone features a 4.7-inch 1080p display, LTE, and runs the latest version" }, { "start": 49.599999999999994, "end": 51.4, "text": " of HTC's Sense Skin." }, { "start": 51.4, "end": 55.08, "text": " It uses a custom sensor made up of what HTC calls UltraPixels." }, { "start": 55.08, "end": 59.08, "text": " They capture three times as much light as conventional 8-megapixel cameras, but limit" }, { "start": 59.08, "end": 62.239999999999995, "text": " the resulting images to just 4 megapixels in size." }, { "start": 62.239999999999995, "end": 63.92, "text": " The phone will be available in March." }, { "start": 63.92, "end": 66.96, "text": " Finally, even NASA hates software upgrades." }, { "start": 66.96, "end": 70.4, "text": " This morning, the agency lost communication with the International Space Station while" }, { "start": 70.4, "end": 72.48, "text": " updating the station's flight computers." }, { "start": 72.48, "end": 76.08, "text": " A backup machine took over critical functions while the kinks were ironed out." }, { "start": 76.08, "end": 77.92, "text": " Communication was restored a few hours later." }, { "start": 77.92, "end": 82.2, "text": " Rule number one, never update the operating system on mission-critical machines." }, { "start": 82.2, "end": 83.75999999999999, "text": " And those are today's top stories." }, { "start": 83.76, "end": 88.84, "text": " Tune in tomorrow for Tripping the Light Fantastic, behind John Milton's latest dance craze." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 2.7600000000000002, "text": " Welcome to The Verge Mobile Show." }, { "start": 2.7600000000000002, "end": 4.12, "text": " It is The Verge Mobile Show." }, { "start": 4.12, "end": 6.32, "text": " I am Dieter Bohm." }, { "start": 6.32, "end": 7.76, "text": " I'm Vlad Sabo." }, { "start": 7.76, "end": 9.36, "text": " I'm Dan Seifert." }, { "start": 9.36, "end": 10.76, "text": " I'm Chris Ziegler." }, { "start": 10.76, "end": 14.88, "text": " And as you can tell from my ridiculous introduction, I'm" }, { "start": 14.88, "end": 15.6, "text": " totally off my game." }, { "start": 15.6, "end": 16.44, "text": " Did you screw it up?" }, { "start": 16.44, "end": 17.52, "text": " It wasn't me." }, { "start": 17.52, "end": 18.52, "text": " No, it was fine." }, { "start": 18.52, "end": 19.8, "text": " I rolled with it just fine." }, { "start": 19.8, "end": 21.32, "text": " It is episode 37." }, { "start": 21.32, "end": 24.48, "text": " We are no longer on episode 35." }, { "start": 24.48, "end": 25.72, "text": " Congratulations to us." }, { "start": 25.72, "end": 27.52, "text": " It's the week of February 18th." }, { "start": 27.52, "end": 31, "text": " And obviously, there's only one thing to talk about, the only" }, { "start": 31, "end": 32.76, "text": " important thing that's happened in the past week, and" }, { "start": 32.76, "end": 36, "text": " that is that Google has finally released the" }, { "start": 36, "end": 37.879999999999995, "text": " wireless charging orb." }, { "start": 37.879999999999995, "end": 40.04, "text": " It just released it in your room." }, { "start": 40.04, "end": 41.96, "text": " It was released last week." }, { "start": 41.96, "end": 42.96, "text": " We talked about it last week." }, { "start": 42.96, "end": 46.04, "text": " But the important bit is that I have one now." }, { "start": 46.04, "end": 50.32, "text": " And I can complain about it, because I paid $70 for" }, { "start": 50.32, "end": 54.68, "text": " something that I can't mount in my car, which drives me nuts." }, { "start": 54.68, "end": 57.64, "text": " And so let me explain why I can't mount it in my car." }, { "start": 57.64, "end": 60.2, "text": " Because you're chicken." }, { "start": 60.2, "end": 63.36, "text": " So instead of using smart things like, say, magnets to" }, { "start": 63.36, "end": 67.48, "text": " align the Nexus 4 with the charging area, like, say, the" }, { "start": 67.48, "end": 71.6, "text": " Palm Touchstone did, the Nexus 4 has this sticky pad on it," }, { "start": 71.6, "end": 75.32, "text": " which is like this rubbery, almost gelatin type of" }, { "start": 75.32, "end": 78.32, "text": " material that sticks to the glass on the Nexus 4." }, { "start": 78.32, "end": 80.88, "text": " And it's actually pretty sticky when it's new, to the" }, { "start": 80.88, "end": 83.56, "text": " point where it's not even a little bit sticky." }, { "start": 83.56, "end": 87, "text": " To the point where if I lift the Nexus 4 off of it, the orb" }, { "start": 87, "end": 90.96000000000001, "text": " comes with it for like an inch or so before dropping," }, { "start": 90.96000000000001, "end": 93.04, "text": " slamming down to my desk." }, { "start": 93.04, "end": 96.08, "text": " But because it's sticky, it also attracts dust like you" }, { "start": 96.08, "end": 96.60000000000001, "text": " wouldn't believe." }, { "start": 96.60000000000001, "end": 99.12, "text": " So I assume that the stickiness is going to wear" }, { "start": 99.12, "end": 103.56, "text": " off after a couple of weeks of actual use." }, { "start": 103.56, "end": 104.72, "text": " But other than that, it's a charged one." }, { "start": 104.72, "end": 104.96000000000001, "text": " YOSSI ELKRIEFEN." }, { "start": 104.96000000000001, "end": 107.36, "text": " Are we seriously talking about the orb right now?" }, { "start": 107.36, "end": 107.6, "text": " IAN NI-LEWIS." }, { "start": 107.6, "end": 108.84, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 108.84, "end": 110.08, "text": " I mean, that's the thing." }, { "start": 110.08, "end": 110.36, "text": " YOSSI ELKRIEFEN." }, { "start": 110.36, "end": 110.84, "text": " All right, listen." }, { "start": 110.84, "end": 112.08, "text": " I mean, here's the thing." }, { "start": 112.08, "end": 112.64, "text": " Fair enough." }, { "start": 112.64, "end": 115.84, "text": " Our first five minutes are dedicated to mobile" }, { "start": 115.84, "end": 118.68, "text": " topics anyway, right?" }, { "start": 118.68, "end": 121.24, "text": " We give that time for anybody who's late, who's brewing up a" }, { "start": 121.24, "end": 122.16, "text": " cup of tea." }, { "start": 122.16, "end": 122.2, "text": " IAN NI-LEWIS." }, { "start": 122.2, "end": 122.64, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 122.64, "end": 123.64, "text": " YOSSI ELKRIEFEN." }, { "start": 123.64, "end": 128.72, "text": " Like Dan trying to promote some brand of soft drink." }, { "start": 128.72, "end": 129, "text": " IAN NI-LEWIS." }, { "start": 129, "end": 132.72, "text": " I've been waiting to rant about this since like Friday" }, { "start": 132.72, "end": 133.68, "text": " when I got the thing." }, { "start": 133.68, "end": 136.48, "text": " So I haven't complained on Twitter." }, { "start": 136.48, "end": 137.88, "text": " I haven't really ranted publicly." }, { "start": 137.88, "end": 140.68, "text": " So here's my rant about it so that I can complain about it" }, { "start": 140.68, "end": 141.8, "text": " to people." }, { "start": 141.8, "end": 146.68, "text": " And yeah, it cost me like $70 after taxed shipping." }, { "start": 146.68, "end": 148.72, "text": " Not worth it?" }, { "start": 148.72, "end": 150.76000000000002, "text": " I can't say it was." }, { "start": 150.76000000000002, "end": 155.04000000000002, "text": " I mean, they did the same thing with the Galaxy Nexus" }, { "start": 155.04000000000002, "end": 158.96, "text": " where it took them forever to come out with any official" }, { "start": 158.96, "end": 159.44, "text": " accessory." }, { "start": 159.44, "end": 160.76000000000002, "text": " Were there any official accessories" }, { "start": 160.76000000000002, "end": 161.96, "text": " for the Galaxy Nexus?" }, { "start": 161.96, "end": 163.60000000000002, "text": " Was there a car dock or something?" }, { "start": 163.60000000000002, "end": 165.76000000000002, "text": " It was the extended battery in the extended battery door." }, { "start": 165.76000000000002, "end": 166.08, "text": " Oh, yeah." }, { "start": 166.08, "end": 167.12, "text": " And there was a dock too." }, { "start": 167.12, "end": 169.36, "text": " Yeah, but the extended battery was never sold in the US, I" }, { "start": 169.36, "end": 169.64000000000001, "text": " think." }, { "start": 169.64, "end": 173.2, "text": " It was just in South Korea." }, { "start": 173.2, "end": 174.2, "text": " No." }, { "start": 174.2, "end": 177.23999999999998, "text": " Well, the Verizon one had the official extended battery." }, { "start": 177.23999999999998, "end": 178.39999999999998, "text": " Yeah, Verizon did." }, { "start": 178.39999999999998, "end": 179, "text": " Yeah, sorry." }, { "start": 179, "end": 181.23999999999998, "text": " I always associate the Galaxy Nexus with the A7." }, { "start": 181.23999999999998, "end": 183.16, "text": " I mean, I bought one off of Amazon." }, { "start": 183.16, "end": 185.23999999999998, "text": " I don't know that it came from something sketchy in South" }, { "start": 185.23999999999998, "end": 185.64, "text": " Korea." }, { "start": 185.64, "end": 186.88, "text": " I have one." }, { "start": 189.35999999999999, "end": 192.67999999999998, "text": " Well, yeah, it's an extra like two milliamp hours." }, { "start": 192.67999999999998, "end": 196.44, "text": " It's like the most ridiculous extended battery ever made." }, { "start": 196.44, "end": 200.56, "text": " But anyway, there was a long delay between the release of" }, { "start": 200.56, "end": 202.48, "text": " the Galaxy Nexus and the release of the official" }, { "start": 202.48, "end": 203, "text": " accessories." }, { "start": 203, "end": 206.44, "text": " And they did the exact same thing with the Nexus 4." }, { "start": 206.44, "end": 210, "text": " And to be fair, it was only in the last few weeks that the" }, { "start": 210, "end": 213.56, "text": " Nexus 4 really became widely available." }, { "start": 213.56, "end": 218.8, "text": " But there was still a pretty healthy Nexus 4 ecosystem for" }, { "start": 218.8, "end": 221.28, "text": " the past few months during which nobody could get a" }, { "start": 221.28, "end": 225.68, "text": " bumper or a dock or anything." }, { "start": 225.68, "end": 227.76000000000002, "text": " So we're still not talking about the HTC One." }, { "start": 227.76000000000002, "end": 229.36, "text": " I was just going to say, enough trolling." }, { "start": 229.36, "end": 232.84, "text": " Let's talk about the HTC One, the big, huge launch event" }, { "start": 232.84, "end": 233.76000000000002, "text": " happened today." }, { "start": 233.76000000000002, "end": 235.84, "text": " We got amazing hands on." }, { "start": 235.84, "end": 238.36, "text": " We got an interview with the CEO, Peter Chow." }, { "start": 238.36, "end": 240, "text": " We've got reporting." }, { "start": 240, "end": 244.32, "text": " We've got the full specs, the full details." }, { "start": 244.32, "end": 248.20000000000002, "text": " We have basically everything you need to know as our story" }, { "start": 248.20000000000002, "end": 250.84, "text": " stream explains in its headline." }, { "start": 250.84, "end": 252.08, "text": " And I don't even know the story." }, { "start": 252.08, "end": 254.36, "text": " I'll say everything is to know about it." }, { "start": 254.36, "end": 256.8, "text": " Everything there is to know as opposed to everything you" }, { "start": 256.8, "end": 257.16, "text": " need to know?" }, { "start": 257.16, "end": 258.84000000000003, "text": " There is one bit of trivia." }, { "start": 258.84000000000003, "end": 261.8, "text": " I can't tell you what day you could walk into a store and" }, { "start": 261.8, "end": 262.32, "text": " buy it." }, { "start": 262.32, "end": 263.12, "text": " That's fair." }, { "start": 263.12, "end": 264.8, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 264.8, "end": 268.5, "text": " There is one bit of trivia that nobody actually knows yet" }, { "start": 268.5, "end": 272.88, "text": " because I've kind of invented it over the past few minutes," }, { "start": 272.88, "end": 276.64, "text": " which is that we are running episode 35, which is our" }, { "start": 276.64, "end": 279.8, "text": " recurring episode in the Verge Mode show." }, { "start": 279.8, "end": 280.84000000000003, "text": " Which coincides with the-" }, { "start": 280.84000000000003, "end": 282.04, "text": " It's not clear that we were on 37." }, { "start": 282.04, "end": 283.96000000000004, "text": " I declared it." }, { "start": 283.96, "end": 284.79999999999995, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 284.79999999999995, "end": 287.4, "text": " I did." }, { "start": 287.4, "end": 289.23999999999995, "text": " You just deflated Vlad." }, { "start": 289.23999999999995, "end": 290.96, "text": " I can sense it in his voice." }, { "start": 290.96, "end": 293.52, "text": " He's like, really?" }, { "start": 293.52, "end": 294.79999999999995, "text": " I'm sorry, Vlad." }, { "start": 294.79999999999995, "end": 297.4, "text": " This is episode 35 in my heart anyway." }, { "start": 297.4, "end": 300.79999999999995, "text": " The point is we have this recurring episode going on" }, { "start": 300.79999999999995, "end": 303.47999999999996, "text": " until we nail it, until we're happy that we've completed" }, { "start": 303.47999999999996, "end": 304.88, "text": " episode 35." }, { "start": 304.88, "end": 307.59999999999997, "text": " And HTC is kind of doing the same thing with the recurring" }, { "start": 307.59999999999997, "end": 308.08, "text": " branding." }, { "start": 308.08, "end": 312.91999999999996, "text": " So there was the HTC One X and the One S and the One SV and" }, { "start": 312.92, "end": 318.08000000000004, "text": " the One X Plus and the One XL and the One V and the One" }, { "start": 318.08000000000004, "end": 319.56, "text": " something else." }, { "start": 319.56, "end": 321.28000000000003, "text": " And now there's just the HTC One." }, { "start": 321.28000000000003, "end": 325.96000000000004, "text": " So the company kind of is recurring with its branding." }, { "start": 325.96000000000004, "end": 331.36, "text": " Also, it was kind of hilarious that HTC was already buying up" }, { "start": 331.36, "end": 335.08000000000004, "text": " advertising, just advertising HTC One, which is the name of" }, { "start": 335.08000000000004, "end": 337.12, "text": " this phone." }, { "start": 337.12, "end": 339.56, "text": " And a lot of people were amused by it because last" }, { "start": 339.56, "end": 343.76, "text": " week's football slash soccer tournaments had that HTC One" }, { "start": 343.76, "end": 348.28000000000003, "text": " branding all over the hoardings around the stadium." }, { "start": 348.28000000000003, "end": 350.6, "text": " And everybody, because of all the rumors and all the leaks" }, { "start": 350.6, "end": 353.44, "text": " that happened, everybody was like, well, HTC is already" }, { "start": 353.44, "end": 355.88, "text": " pronouncing the name of this device." }, { "start": 355.88, "end": 360.48, "text": " Peter Chow, he had this freak out a week or two ago where he" }, { "start": 360.48, "end": 363.96, "text": " was waving it about, say, yelling M7, M7." }, { "start": 363.96, "end": 367.16, "text": " I think that freak out hit the internet a week or two ago." }, { "start": 367.16, "end": 369.52, "text": " But I think it was actually recorded late last year." }, { "start": 369.52, "end": 372.44, "text": " It was an end of year company retreat of some sort." }, { "start": 372.44, "end": 372.64, "text": " It's funny." }, { "start": 372.64, "end": 376.35999999999996, "text": " It was one second still then." }, { "start": 376.35999999999996, "end": 380.35999999999996, "text": " So it wasn't like Nokia trying to leak things itself." }, { "start": 380.35999999999996, "end": 383, "text": " It was actually a legitimate leak, that one?" }, { "start": 383, "end": 384.2, "text": " No, I wouldn't say that." }, { "start": 384.2, "end": 385.88, "text": " I'm just saying that the video originated" }, { "start": 385.88, "end": 386.84, "text": " from the end of the year." }, { "start": 386.84, "end": 389.24, "text": " Maybe it took HTC a month to leak it." }, { "start": 389.24, "end": 389.71999999999997, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 389.71999999999997, "end": 392.24, "text": " Well, the broad point I'm trying to make, and it's not" }, { "start": 392.24, "end": 396, "text": " a particularly strong one, is just that it's been kind of a" }, { "start": 396, "end": 398.24, "text": " funky old build up to this phone." }, { "start": 398.24, "end": 402.28000000000003, "text": " HTC hasn't helped itself with things like Peter Chow and all" }, { "start": 402.28000000000003, "end": 404.48, "text": " of that stuff happening." }, { "start": 404.48, "end": 408.8, "text": " And then today, the perfect combination for me was this" }, { "start": 408.8, "end": 411.36, "text": " simultaneous event, which was actually two completely" }, { "start": 411.36, "end": 414.68, "text": " separate events that just happened, one in New York City" }, { "start": 414.68, "end": 416.68, "text": " and one in London." }, { "start": 416.68, "end": 420.48, "text": " And we're presumed, and this is actually to Blackberry's" }, { "start": 420.48, "end": 422.84000000000003, "text": " credit, when they did simultaneous events around the" }, { "start": 422.84000000000003, "end": 424.96000000000004, "text": " world, they essentially did one event and then just" }, { "start": 424.96, "end": 429.35999999999996, "text": " projected it on massive screens in satellite locations." }, { "start": 429.35999999999996, "end": 430.79999999999995, "text": " HTC didn't do that." }, { "start": 430.79999999999995, "end": 434.68, "text": " HTC had executives in New York City talking about the full" }, { "start": 434.68, "end": 435.91999999999996, "text": " features of the phone." }, { "start": 435.91999999999996, "end": 438.15999999999997, "text": " And they had executives in London talking about the full" }, { "start": 438.15999999999997, "end": 439.35999999999996, "text": " features of the phone." }, { "start": 439.35999999999996, "end": 441.08, "text": " It's just that London began about 20" }, { "start": 441.08, "end": 443.08, "text": " minutes after New York." }, { "start": 443.08, "end": 446.79999999999995, "text": " And it was a complete and utter disaster for anybody" }, { "start": 446.79999999999995, "end": 449.47999999999996, "text": " trying to coordinate between the two." }, { "start": 449.47999999999996, "end": 452.12, "text": " Yeah, that was much different than we kind of expected." }, { "start": 452.12, "end": 455.92, "text": " We had expected seeing a live stream of one or the other." }, { "start": 455.92, "end": 458.52, "text": " Because I was at the New York City event with our New York" }, { "start": 458.52, "end": 461.68, "text": " team, Vlad, obviously you were at the London event." }, { "start": 461.68, "end": 463.4, "text": " While we were communicating, we were trying to tell each" }, { "start": 463.4, "end": 465, "text": " other what's going on." }, { "start": 465, "end": 467.68, "text": " And then it was just like nothing was" }, { "start": 467.68, "end": 469.04, "text": " lining up, unfortunately." }, { "start": 469.04, "end": 471.8, "text": " I mean, for the most part, from my perspective, it was so" }, { "start": 471.8, "end": 475.12, "text": " weird, because I was taking pictures and writing up" }, { "start": 475.12, "end": 475.72, "text": " announcements." }, { "start": 475.72, "end": 479.16, "text": " And I was like, am I just echoing what Dennis said about" }, { "start": 479.16, "end": 481.92, "text": " 15 minutes ago?" }, { "start": 481.92, "end": 484.88, "text": " Well, from my perspective, not being at either event, it was" }, { "start": 484.88, "end": 487.40000000000003, "text": " cool to see the pictures flowing into the live blog" }, { "start": 487.40000000000003, "end": 488.64000000000004, "text": " from both events." }, { "start": 488.64000000000004, "end": 491.36, "text": " I made a comment about it on Twitter, just seeing those two" }, { "start": 491.36, "end": 492.68, "text": " events happen." }, { "start": 492.68, "end": 495.92, "text": " And at the same time, covered by Verge staff" }, { "start": 495.92, "end": 497.20000000000005, "text": " was pretty cool." }, { "start": 497.20000000000005, "end": 502.28000000000003, "text": " But I can see why 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does." }, { "start": 530.28, "end": 531.84, "text": " OK, so I have no segue." }, { "start": 531.84, "end": 533.64, "text": " Never mind." }, { "start": 533.64, "end": 536.48, "text": " All right, so we need to run down the basic specs here." }, { "start": 536.48, "end": 539.68, "text": " So it's a 4.7 inch screen." }, { "start": 539.68, "end": 545.16, "text": " It is 1080p full, which gives it a hopping 468 PPI." }, { "start": 545.16, "end": 551.04, "text": " And it's some variation of mega super LCD, I'm assuming." }, { "start": 551.04, "end": 554.92, "text": " Well, no, HTC isn't calling it super LCD this time, but it" }, { "start": 554.92, "end": 555.92, "text": " is an LCD." }, { "start": 555.92, "end": 558.52, "text": " And it does have actual quality." }, { "start": 558.52, "end": 561.12, "text": " HTC has given every other feature a marketing term," }, { "start": 561.12, "end": 564.5999999999999, "text": " except for this screen, which is the most prominent feature" }, { 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this is it." }, { "start": 626, "end": 629.08, "text": " Front-facing speakers, symmetrically placed, no" }, { "start": 629.08, "end": 630.6, "text": " messing about." }, { "start": 630.6, "end": 632.16, "text": " One of them is where the earpiece would be." }, { "start": 632.16, "end": 634.36, "text": " One of them is where the microphone would be." }, { "start": 634.36, "end": 635.64, "text": " And they just look good." }, { "start": 635.64, "end": 637.68, "text": " They function well." }, { "start": 637.68, "end": 640.92, "text": " I think about every smartphone that I've reviewed over the" }, { "start": 640.92, "end": 643.76, "text": " past whatever many years, except for the iPhone, which" }, { "start": 643.76, "end": 646.2, "text": " has a downward-firing speaker." }, { "start": 646.2, "end": 648.76, "text": " I always write about how if you put the phone down on your" }, { "start": 648.76, "end": 651.4, "text": " couch or on a table, the sound gets muffled because the" }, { "start": 651.4, "end": 654.68, "text": " speaker's on the back." }, { "start": 654.68, "end": 656.76, "text": " The One essentially just circumvents that problem" }, { "start": 656.76, "end": 658.5999999999999, "text": " entirely by just throwing the speakers in the front, which" }, { "start": 658.5999999999999, "end": 658.9599999999999, "text": " is great." }, { "start": 658.9599999999999, "end": 661.9599999999999, "text": " And when we got to see it and we got some hands-on time with" }, { "start": 661.9599999999999, "end": 664.04, "text": " it, they're really loud." }, { "start": 664.04, "end": 665.4, "text": " They project very well." }, { "start": 665.4, "end": 667.52, "text": " They put the sound right in front of you." }, { "start": 667.52, "end": 669.64, "text": " You don't have to do the silly cupping your hand behind it" }, { "start": 669.64, "end": 671.16, "text": " to reflect the sound back to you." }, { "start": 671.16, "end": 672.88, "text": " So it does work pretty 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"end": 719.12, "text": " It looks fine." }, { "start": 719.12, "end": 719.5999999999999, "text": " It looks good." }, { "start": 719.5999999999999, "end": 720.7199999999999, "text": " It comes in white and black." }, { "start": 720.7199999999999, "end": 722.04, "text": " As long as it stays clean." }, { "start": 722.04, "end": 725.0799999999999, "text": " The only concern that I had when I was handling the" }, { "start": 725.0799999999999, "end": 727.04, "text": " device is because it's white." }, { "start": 727.04, "end": 730.92, "text": " And the One X was a white device for its flagship" }, { "start": 730.92, "end": 731.4799999999999, "text": " version." }, { "start": 731.4799999999999, "end": 734.36, "text": " And that notoriously got dirty quickly." }, { "start": 734.36, "end": 737.04, "text": " So it would be pretty horrible if the white plastic on this" }, { "start": 737.04, "end": 739.04, "text": " got dirty, because it's not a glossy plastic." }, { "start": 739.04, "end": 741.3199999999999, "text": " You know what's really nice and great from the One X?" }, { "start": 741.32, "end": 743.2, "text": " The camera doesn't protrude anymore." }, { "start": 743.2, "end": 745.84, "text": " Now it's fully integrated into the back shell." }, { "start": 745.84, "end": 746.08, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 746.08, "end": 749.88, "text": " And it just looks like a mushroom device now." }, { "start": 749.88, "end": 751.44, "text": " I'm not saying it's fat." }, { "start": 751.44, "end": 753.2800000000001, "text": " I don't know exactly what the thickness is off the top of my" }, { "start": 753.2800000000001, "end": 754.5600000000001, "text": " head, but it's not bad." }, { "start": 754.5600000000001, "end": 756.08, "text": " 9.7 millimeters." }, { "start": 756.08, "end": 756.44, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 756.44, "end": 757.48, "text": " I have a DNA here." }, { "start": 757.48, "end": 759.36, "text": " And it's virtually the same profile as the DNA." }, { 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786.24, "text": " I'm sure it does." }, { "start": 786.24, "end": 786.88, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 786.88, "end": 791.5600000000001, "text": " 2 gigs of RAM, 2300 milliamp battery, 32 and 64" }, { "start": 791.5600000000001, "end": 792.88, "text": " gigabyte variants." }, { "start": 792.88, "end": 797.24, "text": " And so when you look at the standard specs of a phone, HTC" }, { "start": 797.24, "end": 800.88, "text": " is doing what HTC has always done, which is just, we're" }, { "start": 800.88, "end": 803, "text": " going to have a hugely well-specced phone." }, { "start": 803, "end": 805.12, "text": " We're going to play the speeds and feeds game." }, { "start": 805.12, "end": 808.32, "text": " We're going to blow that out as much as we can." }, { "start": 808.32, "end": 810.72, "text": " And we'll see what happens." }, { "start": 810.72, "end": 815.48, "text": " This is the other thing with the Galaxy S4 in a month." }, { "start": 815.48, "end": 822.08, "text": " But for now, is there another phone that has better specs" }, { "start": 822.08, "end": 824.04, "text": " in the stuff we've talked about so far?" }, { "start": 824.04, "end": 826.76, "text": " HTC has always played the speeds and feeds game." }, { "start": 826.76, "end": 831.28, "text": " But in actual real world use, it has not always had the" }, { "start": 831.28, "end": 832.52, "text": " fastest phones." }, { "start": 835.72, "end": 838.56, "text": " Once we actually use the device for more than 20" }, { "start": 838.56, "end": 840.96, "text": " minutes, we can really say how fast it was." }, { "start": 840.96, "end": 843.58, "text": " I can say that in the time that I did use it, everything" }, { "start": 843.58, "end": 846.64, "text": " was very snappy and very responsive and quick and fast" }, { "start": 846.64, "end": 847.3199999999999, "text": " and things like that." }, { "start": 847.3199999999999, "end": 849.92, "text": " I didn't notice any lag like I've noticed with" }, { 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"end": 939.84, "text": " Everything should be on a standard." }, { "start": 939.84, "end": 942.32, "text": " Everything is connected to your network at this point." }, { "start": 942.32, "end": 946.2, "text": " Your receiver, your game console, your TV, everything" }, { "start": 946.2, "end": 947.2800000000001, "text": " is on your network." }, { "start": 947.2800000000001, "end": 951.52, "text": " Everything should be controlled over Wi-Fi." }, { "start": 951.52, "end": 954, "text": " And that is where we should be going." }, { "start": 954, "end": 957.6, "text": " It just sucks that HTC had to do this." }, { "start": 957.6, "end": 959.5600000000001, "text": " Well, it gets into the fun of the whole issue." }, { "start": 959.5600000000001, "end": 962.6, "text": " HTC can't build a whole TV ecosystem." }, { "start": 962.6, "end": 963.2, "text": " They're not Apple." }, { "start": 963.2, "end": 965.08, "text": " They're not even Samsung." }, { "start": 965.08, "end": 968.32, "text": " And so they've got to work with the stuff that's available" }, { "start": 968.32, "end": 971.0400000000001, "text": " to them, and what's available to them is infrared." }, { "start": 971.0400000000001, "end": 972.36, "text": " Yeah, and working with cable providers." }, { "start": 972.36, "end": 976.4000000000001, "text": " Like the average consumer that doesn't have a super geeky AV" }, { "start": 976.4000000000001, "end": 980.12, "text": " rig in their house has a Motorola or Scientific" }, { "start": 980.12, "end": 982.7600000000001, "text": " American cable box from their cable provider." }, { "start": 982.7600000000001, "end": 987.36, "text": " And that thing was designed in like 1999, and it uses IR." }, { "start": 987.36, "end": 991.08, "text": " Yeah, it's not their fault. It's just symptomatic of a AV" }, { "start": 991.08, "end": 994.72, "text": " industry issue that is frustrating." }, { "start": 994.72, "end": 996.32, "text": " Hang on, I just have a couple of points to" }, { "start": 996.32, "end": 998.12, "text": " counter that, actually." }, { "start": 998.12, "end": 1004.0400000000001, "text": " The first one is, having had some issues setting up my Wi-Fi" }, { "start": 1004.0400000000001, "end": 1007.96, "text": " situation over here in my new place, I can tell you that" }, { "start": 1007.96, "end": 1012, "text": " just cramming everything on Wi-Fi isn't the very best idea" }, { "start": 1012, "end": 1015.5600000000001, "text": " in the world, just because 2.4 gigahertz bandage is going to" }, { "start": 1015.5600000000001, "end": 1019.6400000000001, "text": " be way saturated when you think about the fact that if" }, { "start": 1019.6400000000001, "end": 1022.08, "text": " you're in an apartment building, everybody has a Wi-Fi" }, { "start": 1022.08, "end": 1024.92, "text": " network, and then everybody's TV has to hook up." }, { "start": 1024.92, "end": 1028, "text": " Everybody's phone, everybody's tablet, everybody's laptop," }, { "start": 1028, "end": 1029.88, "text": " their kid's laptop, et cetera, et cetera." }, { "start": 1029.88, "end": 1030.76, "text": " So that's one thing." }, { "start": 1030.76, "end": 1033.4, "text": " The other thing is exactly what Dieter was raising just a" }, { "start": 1033.4, "end": 1034.4, "text": " bit earlier." }, { "start": 1034.4, "end": 1035.92, "text": " These things already exist." }, { "start": 1035.92, "end": 1038.3200000000002, "text": " Your cable box is already there." }, { "start": 1038.3200000000002, "end": 1041.28, "text": " Your TV is already there." }, { "start": 1041.28, "end": 1043.44, "text": " Maybe you have a VCR that you can't let go of." }, { "start": 1043.44, "end": 1044.3600000000001, "text": " Your DVD player." }, { "start": 1044.3600000000001, "end": 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1252.16, "end": 1252.68, "text": " I don't know, man." }, { "start": 1252.68, "end": 1254.88, "text": " Jack White disagrees with you." }, { "start": 1254.88, "end": 1258.0400000000002, "text": " Well, I don't listen to Jack White's music." }, { "start": 1258.0400000000002, "end": 1260.5600000000002, "text": " Jack White's album from 2012 is awesome." }, { "start": 1260.5600000000002, "end": 1261.88, "text": " Just going to say that." }, { "start": 1261.88, "end": 1264.5200000000002, "text": " You should listen to it." }, { "start": 1264.5200000000002, "end": 1268.1200000000001, "text": " OK, but before we move on to the software side, which I'm" }, { "start": 1268.1200000000001, "end": 1271.2800000000002, "text": " sure Dieter is going to break down for us, I do want to give" }, { "start": 1271.2800000000002, "end": 1273.7600000000002, "text": " AC Mass a credit for doing what they've done here." }, { "start": 1273.7600000000002, "end": 1278.3200000000002, "text": " Because we say this on podcasts up and down the" }, { "start": 1278.3200000000002, "end": 1281.5600000000002, "text": " internet, that companies should be bold, make bold" }, { "start": 1281.5600000000002, "end": 1284.3600000000001, "text": " decisions, and stand out, and do unique things." }, { "start": 1284.36, "end": 1285.76, "text": " This is unique." }, { "start": 1285.76, "end": 1290.52, "text": " Nobody has ever done this among smartphone or even" }, { "start": 1290.52, "end": 1291.84, "text": " feature phone manufacturers." }, { "start": 1291.84, "end": 1294.4799999999998, "text": " As soon as they were able to put the word megapixel on" }, { "start": 1294.4799999999998, "end": 1296.9199999999998, "text": " their cameras, it's always been, let's get the bigger" }, { "start": 1296.9199999999998, "end": 1297.9599999999998, "text": " number, let's get the bigger number." }, { "start": 1297.9599999999998, "end": 1301.4399999999998, "text": " It was one, 2.1, three megapixels, five megapixels," }, 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megapixels, or 41, or whatever, and then down" }, { "start": 1325.8, "end": 1327.3600000000001, "text": " samples it down to the lower resolution." }, { "start": 1327.3600000000001, "end": 1329.16, "text": " No, it captures 38." }, { "start": 1329.16, "end": 1331.56, "text": " Yeah, it captures 38." }, { "start": 1331.56, "end": 1333.6000000000001, "text": " And then it down samples down to that five or eight" }, { "start": 1333.6000000000001, "end": 1336.8, "text": " megapixel final image, which is a different approach than" }, { "start": 1336.8, "end": 1338.76, "text": " what HTC is using." }, { "start": 1338.76, "end": 1342.48, "text": " Right, but the general effect is pretty much the same." }, { "start": 1342.48, "end": 1347.8, "text": " Because essentially, you have this 38 megapixels in a Nokia" }, { "start": 1347.8, "end": 1351.68, "text": " peer view, which fit into a given space." }, { "start": 1351.68, "end": 1353.8, "text": " And then you have a smaller number of pixels, 4 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images, both in terms of" }, { "start": 1516.28, "end": 1518.92, "text": " getting low light shot and processing it, but also this" }, { "start": 1518.92, "end": 1520.68, "text": " new feature that they're introducing, which they're" }, { "start": 1520.68, "end": 1521.92, "text": " calling Zoe." }, { "start": 1525.6, "end": 1528.2, "text": " I could talk about Zoe, too, if you want." }, { "start": 1528.2, "end": 1530.76, "text": " I'm interrupting Joe." }, { "start": 1530.76, "end": 1531.44, "text": " YOSSI ELKRIEFENI." }, { "start": 1531.44, "end": 1533.68, "text": " There was this perfect moment where all three of you were" }, { "start": 1533.68, "end": 1535.68, "text": " going to say something." }, { "start": 1535.68, "end": 1539.16, "text": " Because Chris seems to be generally more quiet on" }, { "start": 1539.16, "end": 1542, "text": " podcasts lately, I want to hear what he has to say." }, { "start": 1542, "end": 1543.48, "text": " CHRIS BROADFOOT." }, { "start": 1543.48, "end": 1545.16, "text": " Nothing." }, { "start": 1545.16, "end": 1546.92, "text": " The moment is lost." }, { "start": 1546.92, "end": 1548.6000000000001, "text": " But please, tell us about Zoe." }, { "start": 1548.6000000000001, "end": 1549.96, "text": " What is Zoe, Dieter?" }, { "start": 1549.96, "end": 1553.24, "text": " DETERI MACHOVERA So basically, like a lot of cameras," }, { "start": 1553.24, "end": 1554.68, "text": " you can do burst shots." }, { "start": 1554.68, "end": 1557.0800000000002, "text": " So you hit the camera shutter button, and it actually" }, { "start": 1557.0800000000002, "end": 1558.96, "text": " captures a little bit before you hit it and a little bit" }, { "start": 1558.96, "end": 1560.44, "text": " after you hit it." }, { "start": 1560.44, "end": 1563.4, "text": " But what HTC is doing is it's dual path encoding." }, { "start": 1563.4, "end": 1567.16, "text": " So when you do a Zoe picture, it's actually encoding the" }, { "start": 1567.16, "end": 1568.4, 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clip, and you can take any moment out of that clip and" }, { "start": 1590.6000000000001, "end": 1594.44, "text": " pull an image out of it as a still that is like full" }, { "start": 1594.44, "end": 1597.48, "text": " fidelity, not blurry, not crappy looking." }, { "start": 1597.48, "end": 1599.3200000000002, "text": " It's an actual still image." }, { "start": 1599.32, "end": 1603.04, "text": " It's not something that it's pulled out of there." }, { "start": 1603.04, "end": 1605.96, "text": " And so the net effect is instead of taking a picture," }, { "start": 1605.96, "end": 1608, "text": " if you've got some kind of action, some kind of thing" }, { "start": 1608, "end": 1612.12, "text": " going on, you can take a Zoe and just record the little" }, { "start": 1612.12, "end": 1615.6399999999999, "text": " four second thing and then pull what you want out of that as" }, { "start": 1615.6399999999999, "end": 1617.32, "text": " appropriate." }, { "start": 1617.32, "end": 1619.36, 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"text": " software that does it." }, { "start": 1670.28, "end": 1674.92, "text": " But what HTC is trying to sell this as are short video clips." }, { "start": 1674.92, "end": 1676.1200000000001, "text": " These Zoes, essentially." }, { "start": 1676.1200000000001, "end": 1677.6000000000001, "text": " If you're not pulling a still out of it," }, { "start": 1677.6000000000001, "end": 1678.56, "text": " you're making a Zoe." }, { "start": 1678.56, "end": 1681.3200000000002, "text": " And it's this new short video clip." }, { "start": 1681.3200000000002, "end": 1682.44, "text": " It's not a cinemagraph." }, { "start": 1682.44, "end": 1683.96, "text": " It's not a vine." }, { "start": 1683.96, "end": 1687.88, "text": " It's not these other things that we have been blowing up" }, { "start": 1687.88, "end": 1688.56, "text": " for the past year." }, { "start": 1688.56, "end": 1689.48, "text": " It's half a vine, let's be honest." }, { "start": 1689.48, "end": 1691.48, "text": " It's half a 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{ "start": 1712.44, "end": 1713.4, "text": " generated vignette." }, { "start": 1713.4, "end": 1714.16, "text": " And you can upload that." }, { "start": 1714.16, "end": 1718.44, "text": " Or you can upload that little vignette along with up to, I" }, { "start": 1718.44, "end": 1720.8799999999999, "text": " think, it's 10 of the associated assets from the" }, { "start": 1720.8799999999999, "end": 1723.48, "text": " gallery, so like the vignette plus 10 photos so that you" }, { "start": 1723.48, "end": 1725.08, "text": " make a cute little gallery." }, { "start": 1725.08, "end": 1728.52, "text": " You can upload that to HTC servers." }, { "start": 1728.52, "end": 1730.6, "text": " But HTC apparently doesn't want to be in the business of" }, { "start": 1730.6, "end": 1732.16, "text": " storing your junk forever." }, { "start": 1732.16, "end": 1737.4, "text": " And so when you upload it, it only stays there for 180 days," }, { "start": 1737.4, "end": 1741.92, "text": " which it's just like I would never, like if I'm going to" }, { "start": 1741.92, "end": 1746.5600000000002, "text": " share something to my mom that is a cute little video clip" }, { "start": 1746.5600000000002, "end": 1749.16, "text": " and some pictures, the idea that I would put it up there" }, { "start": 1749.16, "end": 1752.3200000000002, "text": " and it's not going to be there in 180 days, not going to" }, { "start": 1752.3200000000002, "end": 1755.24, "text": " happen, not going to do it." }, { "start": 1755.24, "end": 1758.2800000000002, "text": " I love how Deedus' webcam kind of shakes the more outraged" }, { "start": 1758.2800000000002, "end": 1761.2, "text": " he is and the more disappointed he is about" }, { "start": 1761.2, "end": 1763.8400000000001, "text": " things." }, { "start": 1763.84, "end": 1768.76, "text": " So obviously this is an Android-based device." }, { "start": 1768.76, "end": 1771.6399999999999, "text": " And we don't have things like Vine, which is blowing up." }, { 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"text": " But when you're limited to this little four-second clip," }, { "start": 1799.56, "end": 1801.04, "text": " you'll catch something interesting." }, { "start": 1801.04, "end": 1803.8, "text": " And they argue that they can put these things together and" }, { "start": 1803.8, "end": 1806.1200000000001, "text": " make something overall that's compelling, even if it's from" }, { "start": 1806.1200000000001, "end": 1809.2, "text": " a relatively boring day hanging out." }, { "start": 1809.2, "end": 1809.96, "text": " That's their argument." }, { "start": 1809.96, "end": 1813.3200000000002, "text": " I mean, if you think about Vines and the fact that most" }, { "start": 1813.3200000000002, "end": 1816.76, "text": " people's Vines actually consist of multiple little" }, { "start": 1816.76, "end": 1820.68, "text": " clips, so they hold the button down, they take a three-second" }, { "start": 1820.68, "end": 1822.76, "text": " thing and then add a three-second thing and then" }, { 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such a tight marketing cliche, but to be" }, { "start": 1929.6, "end": 1930.6799999999998, "text": " creative, right?" }, { "start": 1930.6799999999998, "end": 1934.2, "text": " It actually lets you do stuff that's creative." }, { "start": 1934.2, "end": 1934.96, "text": " And that's the thing." }, { "start": 1934.96, "end": 1939.48, "text": " A lot of creative people do say that the fun of creativity" }, { "start": 1939.48, "end": 1941.04, "text": " is in the limitations." }, { "start": 1941.04, "end": 1945.24, "text": " So yeah, just being able to shoot video gets boring" }, { "start": 1945.24, "end": 1946.64, "text": " because it's just so expensive." }, { "start": 1946.64, "end": 1948.72, "text": " And there's too many options, and you don't" }, { "start": 1948.72, "end": 1949.68, "text": " really know what to do." }, { "start": 1949.68, "end": 1954.08, "text": " But if you're told, OK, you can shoot free clips of 3.9" }, { "start": 1954.08, "end": 1958, "text": " seconds and then 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1990.16, "text": " As usual, people think I have a fetish for this, but if this" }, { "start": 1990.16, "end": 1992.16, "text": " was a 4.3 inch phone, I'd probably be" }, { "start": 1992.16, "end": 1994.6000000000001, "text": " married to it by now." }, { "start": 1994.6000000000001, "end": 1997.0800000000002, "text": " But the trouble is, OK, you have a great design." }, { "start": 1997.0800000000002, "end": 1999.48, "text": " You have this great new camera suite." }, { "start": 1999.48, "end": 2003.64, "text": " You have the biggest speakers ever fit inside" }, { "start": 2003.64, "end": 2006.5600000000002, "text": " a phone, apparently." }, { "start": 2006.5600000000002, "end": 2010.96, "text": " It's still just another Android multimedia phone." }, { "start": 2010.96, "end": 2012.88, "text": " We've had these already." }, { "start": 2012.88, "end": 2014.24, "text": " We've had quad-core phones." }, { "start": 2014.24, "end": 2016.52, "text": " We've had 1080p phones." }, { 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2119.76, "text": " Galaxy S3." }, { "start": 2119.76, "end": 2123.52, "text": " I remember seeing people say, doesn't that noise make you" }, { "start": 2123.52, "end": 2124.6000000000004, "text": " want to go to the bathroom?" }, { "start": 2124.6000000000004, "end": 2127.6000000000004, "text": " That's what I remember from Samsung's Galaxy S3 event." }, { "start": 2127.6000000000004, "end": 2128, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 2128, "end": 2128.96, "text": " No, no, seriously." }, { "start": 2128.96, "end": 2133.2400000000002, "text": " Samsung had probably the biggest screen in" }, { "start": 2133.2400000000002, "end": 2134.84, "text": " London inside a dome." }, { "start": 2134.84, "end": 2138.52, "text": " It was like 60 feet?" }, { "start": 2138.52, "end": 2140.36, "text": " No, it's larger." }, { "start": 2140.36, "end": 2141.88, "text": " It was just a massive, massive screen." }, { "start": 2141.88, "end": 2144.88, "text": " And they put up every spec and feature of the Galaxy S3 up" }, { "start": 2144.88, "end": 2145.32, "text": " on that." }, { "start": 2145.32, "end": 2147.2, "text": " It was just a straight bullet point list." }, { "start": 2147.2, "end": 2151.2, "text": " It was like GLONASS, GPS, Bluetooth 4.0, yada, yada," }, { "start": 2151.2, "end": 2155.68, "text": " yada, which also reminds me, the HT1 is one of the first" }, { "start": 2155.68, "end": 2157.8, "text": " phones with 802.11ac." }, { "start": 2157.8, "end": 2161.84, "text": " So hot news for router fanboys." }, { "start": 2161.84, "end": 2166.88, "text": " Your 802.11ac connectivity is ready to be used now." }, { "start": 2166.88, "end": 2169.2000000000003, "text": " So I want to make a point that I think we should come back to" }, { "start": 2169.2000000000003, "end": 2169.88, "text": " and revisit." }, { "start": 2169.88, "end": 2173.8, "text": " But it's really important to note that we're talking about" }, { "start": 2173.8, "end": 2177, "text": " HTC, and we inevitably ended up talking about Samsung." }, { "start": 2177, "end": 2180.32, "text": " And that's happening to them again, because there's going" }, { "start": 2180.32, "end": 2184.32, "text": " to be a new Samsung Galaxy S phone, flagship phone," }, { "start": 2184.32, "end": 2187.6000000000004, "text": " probably next month, announced next month." }, { "start": 2187.6, "end": 2190.04, "text": " But before I get into that whole discussion of are they" }, { "start": 2190.04, "end": 2192.52, "text": " actually going to be able to sell any of these damn phones," }, { "start": 2192.52, "end": 2194.08, "text": " we need to talk about the software." }, { "start": 2194.08, "end": 2197.24, "text": " We need to talk about the new sense, Sense 5." }, { "start": 2197.24, "end": 2199.64, "text": " Although I think nuisance is just calling it nuisance." }, { "start": 2199.64, "end": 2200.6, "text": " Which, not sense." }, { "start": 2200.6, "end": 2201.7599999999998, "text": " Don't say that too fast." }, { "start": 2201.7599999999998, "end": 2203, "text": " Oh, god." }, { "start": 2203, "end": 2203.8399999999997, "text": " Sorry." }, { "start": 2203.8399999999997, "end": 2207.12, "text": " I just can't believe that nobody in their marketing team" }, { "start": 2207.12, "end": 2209.44, "text": " was like, what if we say this fast?" }, { "start": 2209.44, "end": 2210.56, "text": " Or what does it sound like?" }, { "start": 2210.56, "end": 2212.24, "text": " Oh, it sounds like nuisance." }, { "start": 2212.24, "end": 2215.2799999999997, "text": " Which is something that we've called sense in not so many" }, { "start": 2215.2799999999997, "end": 2216.88, "text": " certain terms for years." }, { "start": 2216.88, "end": 2221.92, "text": " So I'm sorry, HTC, but nuisance is not a good name." }, { "start": 2221.92, "end": 2227.08, "text": " So the nuisance is just like the old sense." }, { "start": 2227.08, "end": 2230.6, "text": " I asked specifically if they had taken out any features." }, { "start": 2230.6, "end": 2233.2400000000002, "text": " And the only feature I think they actually took out was the" }, { "start": 2233.2400000000002, "end": 2235.04, "text": " thing where you could set the phone down on its face to" }, { "start": 2235.04, "end": 2236.76, "text": " silence the ringer." }, { "start": 2236.76, "end": 2238.84, "text": " Or you could lift it up to go into speakerphone." }, { "start": 2238.84, "end": 2240.8, "text": " Well, and plus the speakers are on the front now, so it" }, { "start": 2240.8, "end": 2245.52, "text": " doesn't make sense to do that functionality." }, { "start": 2245.52, "end": 2248.7599999999998, "text": " But all the integration with social networks, most of the" }, { "start": 2248.7599999999998, "end": 2250.2, "text": " widgets, not all of them." }, { "start": 2250.2, "end": 2252.36, "text": " They killed a couple." }, { "start": 2252.36, "end": 2253.96, "text": " That's all there." }, { "start": 2253.96, "end": 2258.04, "text": " And look and feel is a bit better." }, { "start": 2258.04, "end": 2260.2, "text": " They got rid of the annoying tabs at the bottom." }, { "start": 2260.2, "end": 2262.32, "text": " They switched to the hollow pivots." }, { "start": 2262.32, "end": 2266, "text": " They toned down the gradients a tiny little bit, but not all" }, { "start": 2266, "end": 2267.6, "text": " the way." }, { "start": 2267.6, "end": 2271.4, "text": " And they redesigned all the icons." }, { "start": 2271.4, "end": 2274.12, "text": " HTC tells us they touched every single corner." }, { "start": 2274.12, "end": 2274.6, "text": " We'll see." }, { "start": 2274.6, "end": 2275.64, "text": " Again." }, { "start": 2275.64, "end": 2276.2, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2276.2, "end": 2278.7999999999997, "text": " The icons are 2D now, right, instead of 3D?" }, { "start": 2278.7999999999997, "end": 2281.6, "text": " Yeah, they've lost their cartooniness and their" }, { "start": 2281.6, "end": 2282.04, "text": " shakiness." }, { "start": 2282.04, "end": 2286.2799999999997, "text": " On that topic, I just want to say really quickly, the new" }, { "start": 2286.2799999999997, "end": 2289.04, "text": " icon look is apparently very much in the style of Scott" }, { "start": 2289.04, "end": 2293.6, "text": " Croyle, who is the lead designer for HTC." }, { "start": 2293.6, "end": 2296.56, "text": " I don't know what that tells us, other than he was allowed" }, { "start": 2296.56, "end": 2300.88, "text": " to change the icons and not anything of actual import." }, { "start": 2300.88, "end": 2304.2, "text": " Scott Croyle has absolutely fantastic taste in footwear," }, { "start": 2304.2, "end": 2304.9199999999996, "text": " may I say." }, { "start": 2304.9199999999996, "end": 2306.9199999999996, "text": " I've actually had a conversation with Mr. Croyle" }, { "start": 2306.9199999999996, "end": 2309, "text": " about his shoes in the past." }, { "start": 2309, "end": 2310.3199999999997, "text": " Turquoise today, Chris." }, { "start": 2310.3199999999997, "end": 2311.12, "text": " Turquoise." }, { "start": 2311.12, "end": 2315, "text": " Yeah, he wore turquoise shoes to the MWC announced for the" }, { "start": 2315, "end": 2316.2, "text": " 1X last year, too." }, { "start": 2316.2, "end": 2318.96, "text": " I don't know if that's a running theme for him or what." }, { "start": 2318.96, "end": 2321.24, "text": " I don't think they were literally the same pair of" }, { "start": 2321.24, "end": 2324.3599999999997, "text": " shoes, but they were close." }, { "start": 2324.3599999999997, "end": 2325.3599999999997, "text": " Yeah, that was shameful." }, { "start": 2325.3599999999997, "end": 2327.68, "text": " Wearing the same pair of shoes twice, that would be shameful." }, { "start": 2327.68, "end": 2328.3199999999997, "text": " I want to point out Scott's got real slowdown about these" }, { "start": 2328.3199999999997, "end": 2331.3999999999996, "text": " turquoise shoes, because Chris is wearing them, too." }, { "start": 2331.3999999999996, "end": 2333.8399999999997, "text": " So I've been avoiding saying the most and totally ignoring" }, { "start": 2333.84, "end": 2337.52, "text": " the shoe conversation, by the way." }, { "start": 2337.52, "end": 2339.6800000000003, "text": " I've been avoiding talking about the most important" }, { "start": 2339.6800000000003, "end": 2343.4, "text": " feature on the new Sense, which is BlinkFeed." }, { "start": 2343.4, "end": 2345.6000000000004, "text": " They have replaced your home screen." }, { "start": 2345.6000000000004, "end": 2347.6800000000003, "text": " They've gotten rid of the flip clock, replaced with a more" }, { "start": 2347.6800000000003, "end": 2348.36, "text": " generic clock." }, { "start": 2348.36, "end": 2351.84, "text": " And they've basically put Flipboard on your home screen." }, { "start": 2351.84, "end": 2353.92, "text": " And I don't know if the people that aren't talking are" }, { "start": 2353.92, "end": 2358, "text": " visible, but Vlad's yawn is pretty amazing." }, { "start": 2358, "end": 2361.1200000000003, "text": " I'm just getting comfortable so I can have a nap while you" }, { "start": 2361.12, "end": 2365.08, "text": " talk about this nonsense." }, { "start": 2365.08, "end": 2366.88, "text": " So the idea is you hit your home button, and you have a" }, { "start": 2366.88, "end": 2369.96, "text": " feed of snackable content." }, { "start": 2369.96, "end": 2372.16, "text": " Your news feeds and your Facebook and some Twitter" }, { "start": 2372.16, "end": 2373.3599999999997, "text": " stuff, and it looks like Flipboard." }, { "start": 2373.3599999999997, "end": 2374.52, "text": " It's relatively pretty." }, { "start": 2374.52, "end": 2375.3599999999997, "text": " It's relatively fast." }, { "start": 2375.3599999999997, "end": 2380.3199999999997, "text": " It doesn't work offline, which is kind of stupid." }, { "start": 2380.3199999999997, "end": 2382, "text": " But it's not a tool." }, { "start": 2382, "end": 2383.8399999999997, "text": " You can't use it as a Google Reader replacement or a" }, { "start": 2383.8399999999997, "end": 2385.3599999999997, "text": " Twitter client replacement." }, { "start": 2385.3599999999997, "end": 2388.72, "text": " It's just a thing that HTC put on your home screen so that" }, { "start": 2388.72, "end": 2391.56, "text": " when you're standing in line at the grocery store, you've" }, { "start": 2391.56, "end": 2393.48, "text": " got something to do for a couple of minutes." }, { "start": 2393.48, "end": 2396.9199999999996, "text": " And I really want to know what you guys think of it, because" }, { "start": 2396.9199999999996, "end": 2398.56, "text": " I'm literally holding two thoughts in my" }, { "start": 2398.56, "end": 2400.12, "text": " head at the same time." }, { "start": 2400.12, "end": 2405.04, "text": " And 75% of me says, oh my god, I do not want Flipboard on my" }, { "start": 2405.04, "end": 2406.12, "text": " home screen." }, { "start": 2406.12, "end": 2410.04, "text": " And 25% of me says, oh, Flipboard on my home screen." }, { "start": 2410.04, "end": 2411.64, "text": " That would actually be kind of neat." }, { "start": 2411.64, "end": 2412.6, "text": " Here's my thought on it." }, { "start": 2412.6, "end": 2415.7999999999997, "text": " And if you're the type of person that's going to open" }, { "start": 2415.7999999999997, "end": 2418.3599999999997, "text": " your phone up while you're standing online at the grocery" }, { "start": 2418.36, "end": 2420.6400000000003, "text": " store to read something, chances are you're already" }, { "start": 2420.6400000000003, "end": 2421.76, "text": " getting information from Twitter." }, { "start": 2421.76, "end": 2424.28, "text": " You're already getting information from Facebook." }, { "start": 2424.28, "end": 2427.44, "text": " You're probably doing some sort of RSS or Google Reader" }, { "start": 2427.44, "end": 2428.6400000000003, "text": " type of thing." }, { "start": 2428.6400000000003, "end": 2431.7200000000003, "text": " And this is kind of pulling in all that same stuff." }, { "start": 2431.7200000000003, "end": 2435.6, "text": " So if you have a Twitter app that you like to use and you" }, { "start": 2435.6, "end": 2439.52, "text": " check it, you look at it, and then are you going to see the" }, { "start": 2439.52, "end": 2443.7200000000003, "text": " same stuff on your Blink feed, I guess, mixed in with all" }, { "start": 2443.7200000000003, "end": 2444.2000000000003, "text": " your other stuff?" }, { "start": 2444.2000000000003, "end": 2445.88, "text": " So it's like you're reading the same stuff twice." }, { "start": 2445.88, "end": 2449.7200000000003, "text": " Or if you have a Google Reader account set up and you're" }, { "start": 2449.7200000000003, "end": 2451.6, "text": " looking at your Google Reader articles, you're going to see" }, { "start": 2451.6, "end": 2455.04, "text": " the same type of articles again in your Blink feed without a" }, { "start": 2455.04, "end": 2456.2400000000002, "text": " way of marking them red." }, { "start": 2456.2400000000002, "end": 2459.12, "text": " So if you see it on Blink feed and then you go back to your" }, { "start": 2459.12, "end": 2460.76, "text": " Google Reader, it's not marked as red." }, { "start": 2460.76, "end": 2462.08, "text": " So you're seeing it again." }, { "start": 2462.08, "end": 2463.92, "text": " So I mean, it's just." }, { "start": 2463.92, "end": 2465.48, "text": " Well, you're not the target market for it then." }, { "start": 2465.48, "end": 2466.12, "text": " No, I'm not." }, { "start": 2466.12, "end": 2468.92, "text": " But I'm trying to put myself in the mind of someone who's" }, { "start": 2468.92, "end": 2470.2400000000002, "text": " going to use this." }, { "start": 2470.2400000000002, "end": 2471.32, "text": " Well, it's a replacement." }, { "start": 2471.32, "end": 2473.6800000000003, "text": " You just have to kind of let go." }, { "start": 2473.6800000000003, "end": 2475.52, "text": " It's not meant to be a full tool." }, { "start": 2475.52, "end": 2477.32, "text": " It's like a thing to do." }, { "start": 2477.32, "end": 2481.2, "text": " It's like flipping on the TV." }, { "start": 2481.2, "end": 2487.24, "text": " You're not sitting down to watch your binge of West Wing" }, { "start": 2487.24, "end": 2490.2, "text": " on Netflix and making sure you're going through every" }, { "start": 2490.2, "end": 2491.04, "text": " single episode." }, { "start": 2491.04, "end": 2493.24, "text": " You're flipping on the TV, seeing what's on." }, { "start": 2493.24, "end": 2493.7599999999998, "text": " You get bored." }, { "start": 2493.7599999999998, "end": 2494.72, "text": " You turn it off." }, { "start": 2494.72, "end": 2498.2, "text": " That's what it's meant to be." }, { "start": 2498.2, "end": 2500.92, "text": " This is HTC's way of saying that our way of doing things" }, { "start": 2500.92, "end": 2504.56, "text": " is better than the users' way of doing things." }, { "start": 2504.56, "end": 2509.48, "text": " Because if they wanted to respect the user, they would" }, { "start": 2509.48, "end": 2512.88, "text": " have made BlinkFeed a widget that you can put on any home" }, { "start": 2512.88, "end": 2514.52, "text": " screen panel you want." }, { "start": 2514.52, "end": 2518.64, "text": " But instead, it is now the home screen, which I find, in" }, { "start": 2518.64, "end": 2522.12, "text": " terms of an Android device, I find that offensive." }, { "start": 2522.12, "end": 2524.92, "text": " We've seen widgets like this fail spectacularly." }, { "start": 2524.92, "end": 2525.44, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2525.44, "end": 2525.88, "text": " Blur." }, { "start": 2525.88, "end": 2525.92, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2525.92, "end": 2527.2, "text": " And now they're like." }, { "start": 2527.2, "end": 2528.7999999999997, "text": " They're going to make it a home screen widget and have it" }, { "start": 2528.7999999999997, "end": 2529.4, "text": " be successful." }, { "start": 2529.4, "end": 2531.16, "text": " They need to make it look." }, { "start": 2531.16, "end": 2533.56, "text": " They need to have it control the whole screen." }, { "start": 2533.56, "end": 2537, "text": " It needs to be that flipboard experience where it's edge to" }, { "start": 2537, "end": 2539.64, "text": " edge, not in a stupid little border." }, { "start": 2539.64, "end": 2541.88, "text": " So I kind of get what they're trying to do." }, { "start": 2541.88, "end": 2544.68, "text": " And you can click a check box to make it the classic Android" }, { "start": 2544.68, "end": 2546.7599999999998, "text": " home screen, your default home screen, when you hit the" }, { "start": 2546.7599999999998, "end": 2547.36, "text": " Home button." }, { "start": 2547.36, "end": 2550.08, "text": " Oh god, we haven't talked about the buttons." }, { "start": 2550.08, "end": 2552.32, "text": " We'll get back to that." }, { "start": 2552.32, "end": 2556.2, "text": " But the report that I wrote was basically HTC is taking" }, { "start": 2556.2, "end": 2557.2, "text": " two giant risks." }, { "start": 2557.2, "end": 2558.4, "text": " One is the camera." }, { "start": 2558.4, "end": 2560.7999999999997, "text": " I think we're pretty positive about that." }, { "start": 2560.7999999999997, "end": 2562.64, "text": " We're at least happy they're taking that risk." }, { "start": 2562.64, "end": 2565.08, "text": " And two is this differentiation link feed." }, { "start": 2565.08, "end": 2570.72, "text": " And it seems like a fiasco to me that I want no part of." }, { "start": 2570.72, "end": 2575.2, "text": " But there's a tiny part of me that says maybe." }, { "start": 2575.2, "end": 2575.8799999999997, "text": " Well, listen." }, { "start": 2575.8799999999997, "end": 2576.3599999999997, "text": " Here." }, { "start": 2576.3599999999997, "end": 2580.48, "text": " I just want to point out where this thing" }, { "start": 2580.48, "end": 2581.3599999999997, "text": " just goes wrong for me." }, { "start": 2581.3599999999997, "end": 2587.8799999999997, "text": " And I'm reminded of Timescape, Sony Ericsson's Android phones." }, { "start": 2587.8799999999997, "end": 2588.7599999999998, "text": " Blurscape." }, { "start": 2588.7599999999998, "end": 2592.44, "text": " I love how we're just bringing up old, really bad Android" }, { "start": 2592.44, "end": 2593.64, "text": " customization skins." }, { "start": 2593.64, "end": 2598.48, "text": " The trouble is, I have yet to see any one application," }, { "start": 2598.48, "end": 2602.76, "text": " never mind a phone manufacturer whose strength" }, { "start": 2602.76, "end": 2607.52, "text": " and specialties hardware, any one application aggregate all" }, { "start": 2607.52, "end": 2609.12, "text": " of these things successfully." }, { "start": 2609.12, "end": 2611.56, "text": " Everybody has this ambition." }, { "start": 2611.56, "end": 2615.28, "text": " It might be one of the most commonly attempted and" }, { "start": 2615.28, "end": 2618.88, "text": " absolutely one of the most commonly failed things in" }, { "start": 2618.88, "end": 2622.96, "text": " mobile software, aggregating news, social feeds, and maybe" }, { "start": 2622.96, "end": 2624.92, "text": " like emails and alerts and things like that." }, { "start": 2624.92, "end": 2627.36, "text": " I mean, it's like something that Windows Phone is" }, { "start": 2627.36, "end": 2629.48, "text": " essentially built around with the People Hub." }, { "start": 2629.48, "end": 2631.88, "text": " And we all know how well that works to replace your Twitter" }, { "start": 2631.88, "end": 2632.28, "text": " app." }, { "start": 2632.28, "end": 2633.6400000000003, "text": " But everybody's trying." }, { "start": 2633.6400000000003, "end": 2636.6, "text": " Because with iOS, Siri's trying to do similar things" }, { "start": 2636.6, "end": 2637.88, "text": " where it alerts you to things." }, { "start": 2637.88, "end": 2641.28, "text": " Google now is trying to do similar things where it" }, { "start": 2641.28, "end": 2643.88, "text": " gathers in information it thinks you're going to want" }, { "start": 2643.88, "end": 2645.52, "text": " and needs, things like that." }, { "start": 2645.52, "end": 2648.84, "text": " Aggregating information in an intelligent way and in a way" }, { "start": 2648.84, "end": 2652.6000000000004, "text": " that you find helpful and useful, more so than, as Dan" }, { "start": 2652.6000000000004, "end": 2655.2000000000003, "text": " was saying, just jumping into Twitter or just jumping into" }, { "start": 2655.2000000000003, "end": 2659.1200000000003, "text": " a discrete application in question, like your email" }, { "start": 2659.1200000000003, "end": 2661.88, "text": " client, for example, is really, really tough." }, { "start": 2661.88, "end": 2663.44, "text": " And HTC is not." }, { "start": 2663.44, "end": 2666.48, "text": " I want to express the, there's a couple of things I want to" }, { "start": 2666.48, "end": 2668.36, "text": " express that's different about BlinkFeed than" }, { "start": 2668.36, "end": 2669.48, "text": " what we've seen before." }, { "start": 2669.48, "end": 2671.2000000000003, "text": " And it's funny that you mentioned Google now." }, { "start": 2671.2000000000003, "end": 2673.56, "text": " Because Google now is very different from BlinkFeed in" }, { "start": 2673.56, "end": 2676.6800000000003, "text": " that BlinkFeed is just purely for entertainment's sake." }, { "start": 2676.68, "end": 2678.9199999999996, "text": " Whereas Google now is going to give you directions, it's" }, { "start": 2678.9199999999996, "end": 2682.3199999999997, "text": " going to give you weather, it's going to give you local" }, { "start": 2682.3199999999997, "end": 2685.2799999999997, "text": " things nearby that you can check out, and your calendar," }, { "start": 2685.2799999999997, "end": 2686.24, "text": " and all that other stuff." }, { "start": 2686.24, "end": 2687.7, "text": " BlinkFeed doesn't do any of that." }, { "start": 2687.7, "end": 2691.2, "text": " And I've heard a lot of people compare BlinkFeed to" }, { "start": 2691.2, "end": 2693.7599999999998, "text": " Microsoft's LiveTiles because it looks very similar." }, { "start": 2693.7599999999998, "end": 2694.8799999999997, "text": " But in reality, it's not." }, { "start": 2694.8799999999997, "end": 2696.6, "text": " It's not giving you email notifications." }, { "start": 2696.6, "end": 2698.2, "text": " It's not giving you messaging notifications." }, { "start": 2698.2, "end": 2699.8799999999997, "text": " It's not giving you missed call notifications." }, { "start": 2699.8799999999997, "end": 2702.3199999999997, "text": " It's just giving you entertainment." }, { "start": 2702.3199999999997, "end": 2703.3599999999997, "text": " And it's a big thing." }, { "start": 2703.36, "end": 2707.1600000000003, "text": " Priorities were the thing for me." }, { "start": 2707.1600000000003, "end": 2709.6, "text": " So OK, you're my BlinkFeed." }, { "start": 2709.6, "end": 2711.2400000000002, "text": " And I'm supposed to trust you." }, { "start": 2711.2400000000002, "end": 2714.92, "text": " Because as you say, if you're going to replace at least part" }, { "start": 2714.92, "end": 2717.96, "text": " of the Twitter app, or the email app's functionality, or" }, { "start": 2717.96, "end": 2721.08, "text": " your newsreader's functionality, you want to" }, { "start": 2721.08, "end": 2724.92, "text": " trust whatever you're replacing it with that is better." }, { "start": 2724.92, "end": 2725.84, "text": " So I'm supposed to trust you." }, { "start": 2725.84, "end": 2729.76, "text": " But at the same time, you have no hierarchy for the" }, { "start": 2729.76, "end": 2731.32, "text": " information that I want to see." }, { "start": 2731.32, "end": 2734.92, "text": " So I asked about things like, what if I have calendar" }, { "start": 2734.92, "end": 2735.8, "text": " alerts coming up?" }, { "start": 2735.8, "end": 2738.6000000000004, "text": " Are those going to float to the top of the BlinkFeed?" }, { "start": 2738.6000000000004, "end": 2740.92, "text": " What if I have important emails coming up?" }, { "start": 2740.92, "end": 2742.8, "text": " Are those going to come to the top?" }, { "start": 2742.8, "end": 2743.6400000000003, "text": " And this is the thing." }, { "start": 2743.6400000000003, "end": 2744.44, "text": " We have alerts." }, { "start": 2744.44, "end": 2749.52, "text": " We have all this incoming data and information that Android" }, { "start": 2749.52, "end": 2751.76, "text": " just provides to HTC." }, { "start": 2751.76, "end": 2754.0800000000004, "text": " Why isn't that integrated into the BlinkFeed?" }, { "start": 2754.0800000000004, "end": 2758.32, "text": " I'll find it so much more useful to unlock my phone and" }, { "start": 2758.32, "end": 2759.6000000000004, "text": " to say, oh, here's the news." }, { "start": 2759.6, "end": 2762.52, "text": " But then, wait, I actually do have some alerts and some" }, { "start": 2762.52, "end": 2765.2, "text": " meetings coming up, which I need to address first." }, { "start": 2765.2, "end": 2766.6, "text": " Those things aren't surfacing." }, { "start": 2766.6, "end": 2768.08, "text": " They aren't coming up." }, { "start": 2768.08, "end": 2772.7599999999998, "text": " And that limits the usefulness of it, whereas it's trying to" }, { "start": 2772.7599999999998, "end": 2777.4, "text": " be kind of universal to you." }, { "start": 2777.4, "end": 2778.68, "text": " Here's how I see it." }, { "start": 2778.68, "end": 2780.16, "text": " HTC is screwed." }, { "start": 2780.16, "end": 2784.96, "text": " They're 10th place in the global smartphone market." }, { "start": 2784.96, "end": 2786.3199999999997, "text": " Mobile phone market." }, { "start": 2786.32, "end": 2790.6000000000004, "text": " Excuse me, they can't spend as much money in" }, { "start": 2790.6000000000004, "end": 2791.88, "text": " marketing as Samsung can." }, { "start": 2791.88, "end": 2793.4, "text": " They're not Apple." }, { "start": 2793.4, "end": 2795.96, "text": " And on the software side, they had two choices." }, { "start": 2795.96, "end": 2798.88, "text": " They could go the standard stock Android route, which" }, { "start": 2798.88, "end": 2801.1200000000003, "text": " they seem terrified of doing." }, { "start": 2801.1200000000003, "end": 2801.88, "text": " It wasn't a choice." }, { "start": 2801.88, "end": 2803.56, "text": " This is the thing." }, { "start": 2803.56, "end": 2805.8, "text": " I'm not a tear man." }, { "start": 2805.8, "end": 2808.36, "text": " But they couldn't go the standard stock Android route" }, { "start": 2808.36, "end": 2810.04, "text": " because they're afraid of Motorola, because Motorola is" }, { "start": 2810.04, "end": 2810.52, "text": " going to do that." }, { "start": 2810.52, "end": 2812.48, "text": " And then they won't be differentiated from Motorola." }, { "start": 2812.48, "end": 2814.36, "text": " So they had to try and push forward with Sense." }, { "start": 2814.36, "end": 2816.4, "text": " And they believe that Sense is great." }, { "start": 2816.4, "end": 2817.52, "text": " OK, whatever." }, { "start": 2817.52, "end": 2820.6800000000003, "text": " So in order to make Sense a real differentiator that" }, { "start": 2820.6800000000003, "end": 2823.52, "text": " people care about, they have to provide a tool that people" }, { "start": 2823.52, "end": 2825.48, "text": " actually need that they can't otherwise get." }, { "start": 2825.48, "end": 2827.88, "text": " And the tool of giving me crap to read when I'm waiting in" }, { "start": 2827.88, "end": 2831.2000000000003, "text": " line, that problem has been solved very" }, { "start": 2831.2000000000003, "end": 2833.04, "text": " well by a ton of apps." }, { "start": 2833.04, "end": 2836.88, "text": " So the only real thing they're fixing is for the few people" }, { "start": 2836.88, "end": 2839.56, "text": " that don't know how to find Flipboard, and the few people" }, { "start": 2839.56, "end": 2842.04, "text": " who don't want to have to hit the Home button and then hit" }, { "start": 2842.04, "end": 2844.44, "text": " the Flipboard button icon." }, { "start": 2844.44, "end": 2846.16, "text": " Those are really small problems." }, { "start": 2846.16, "end": 2848.36, "text": " And so that's the thing." }, { "start": 2848.36, "end": 2850, "text": " If you're going to differentiate, differentiate in" }, { "start": 2850, "end": 2853.04, "text": " a way that actually matters, it solves a real problem, not" }, { "start": 2853.04, "end": 2854.2, "text": " a fake problem." }, { "start": 2854.2, "end": 2858.2, "text": " And I'm vehemently agreeing with you, Vlad, that this is a" }, { "start": 2858.2, "end": 2859.72, "text": " version one of a thing." }, { "start": 2859.72, "end": 2861.12, "text": " And they're promising that they're going to make it" }, { "start": 2861.12, "end": 2862.84, "text": " better, and they're going to add algorithms, and blah," }, { "start": 2862.84, "end": 2863.44, "text": " blah, blah." }, { "start": 2863.44, "end": 2865.44, "text": " And they're also promising that they can do it off of the" }, { "start": 2865.44, "end": 2866.88, "text": " standard ROM update cycle." }, { "start": 2866.88, "end": 2868.52, "text": " They can update it directly." }, { "start": 2868.52, "end": 2874.48, "text": " But until they do, this is a feature that I'm only a tiny" }, { "start": 2874.48, "end": 2875.4, "text": " part interested in." }, { "start": 2875.4, "end": 2876.48, "text": " That's the thing." }, { "start": 2876.48, "end": 2878.16, "text": " That's a great point, actually, that you're raising." }, { "start": 2878.16, "end": 2879.56, "text": " This is a version one." }, { "start": 2879.56, "end": 2883.16, "text": " This is the horrible thing and the horrible situation we face" }, { "start": 2883.16, "end": 2885.68, "text": " ourselves as smartphone buyers." }, { "start": 2885.68, "end": 2889.48, "text": " When I get a version one of something, I know for a fact" }, { "start": 2889.48, "end": 2891.68, "text": " that I'm not going to get version two in a month's time," }, { "start": 2891.68, "end": 2893.6, "text": " version three in three months' time." }, { "start": 2893.6, "end": 2896.32, "text": " I'm not going to get the iteration speed of something" }, { "start": 2896.32, "end": 2900.76, "text": " like Firefox, which has reached between seven versions" }, { "start": 2900.76, "end": 2903.44, "text": " over the past 10 weeks or whatever." }, { "start": 2903.44, "end": 2905.84, "text": " You get version one of something on your phone, you're" }, { "start": 2905.84, "end": 2906.52, "text": " stuck, basically." }, { "start": 2906.52, "end": 2908.92, "text": " It's like, version two is going to come next year." }, { "start": 2908.92, "end": 2911.88, "text": " And by next year, I have to buy the other new phone." }, { "start": 2911.88, "end": 2912.32, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2912.32, "end": 2917.84, "text": " So we would judge this so much less severely if we could" }, { "start": 2917.84, "end": 2922.2400000000002, "text": " trust HTC to just iterate like crazy on this and innovate on" }, { "start": 2922.2400000000002, "end": 2922.6800000000003, "text": " top of it." }, { "start": 2922.6800000000003, "end": 2924.52, "text": " Here's the thing." }, { "start": 2924.52, "end": 2926.44, "text": " All those things that you were asking for, Vlad, of your" }, { "start": 2926.44, "end": 2928.52, "text": " calendar notifications and things like that, Google" }, { "start": 2928.52, "end": 2930.44, "text": " provides in Google Now." }, { "start": 2930.44, "end": 2933.7599999999998, "text": " And Google has been updating Google Now outside of ROM" }, { "start": 2933.7599999999998, "end": 2935.48, "text": " cycles, I mean, the Google Search app." }, { "start": 2935.48, "end": 2937.44, "text": " Well, no, BlinkFeed can be updated outside of ROM cycles." }, { "start": 2937.44, "end": 2939.28, "text": " It's just do we trust HTC to actually do it?" }, { "start": 2939.28, "end": 2939.92, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 2939.92, "end": 2941.96, "text": " Google's already doing it and has done it." }, { "start": 2941.96, "end": 2944.92, "text": " And it's extended Google's Now functionality." }, { "start": 2944.92, "end": 2947.84, "text": " HTC could have just integrated it." }, { "start": 2947.84, "end": 2951.04, "text": " Or if they were daring enough to actually launch a phone" }, { "start": 2951.04, "end": 2954.36, "text": " supporting Android 4.2, let you put the stupid Google Now" }, { "start": 2954.36, "end": 2956.28, "text": " widget on your home screen." }, { "start": 2956.28, "end": 2960.6400000000003, "text": " But it's not doing that." }, { "start": 2960.6400000000003, "end": 2965.56, "text": " And now we have to rely on HTC, who designs hardware more" }, { "start": 2965.56, "end": 2968.4, "text": " than software, to update the software." }, { "start": 2968.4, "end": 2974.7200000000003, "text": " I just want to also add the extra notes about sense." }, { "start": 2974.7200000000003, "end": 2977.4, "text": " Like Dita was saying, I did an interview with Peter Chow" }, { "start": 2977.4, "end": 2981, "text": " today, and we spoke about that." }, { "start": 2981, "end": 2986.8, "text": " First of all, I've basically lost hope." }, { "start": 2986.8, "end": 2991.64, "text": " If you're hoping for an HTC-made 4.3-inch device" }, { "start": 2991.64, "end": 2995.16, "text": " with stock Android, please just stop hoping." }, { "start": 2995.16, "end": 2997.36, "text": " Just kill yourself." }, { "start": 2997.36, "end": 3002.36, "text": " Learn about Albert Camus, a French philosopher, French" }, { "start": 3002.36, "end": 3004.8, "text": " Algerian philosopher, and absurdism." }, { "start": 3004.8, "end": 3006.28, "text": " And learn to live without hope." }, { "start": 3006.28, "end": 3008.28, "text": " That is the best advice I can offer you." }, { "start": 3008.28, "end": 3010.84, "text": " We've got to talk about these buttons." }, { "start": 3010.84, "end": 3016.2400000000002, "text": " Very quickly, but essentially, to Peter Chow, sense is really" }, { "start": 3016.2400000000002, "end": 3018.96, "text": " important to the company, because the company needs to" }, { "start": 3018.96, "end": 3020.5, "text": " differentiate itself." }, { "start": 3020.5, "end": 3025.08, "text": " And he says, and I don't agree, but he says you can't" }, { "start": 3025.08, "end": 3028.1200000000003, "text": " build things like BlinkFeed without sense." }, { "start": 3028.1200000000003, "end": 3029.7200000000003, "text": " I don't see why you can't." }, { "start": 3029.7200000000003, "end": 3031.56, "text": " And you can't build things like the camera" }, { "start": 3031.56, "end": 3032.96, "text": " experience without sense." }, { "start": 3032.96, "end": 3036.56, "text": " I don't see how sense facilitates the camera app." }, { "start": 3036.56, "end": 3040.04, "text": " I think those innovations can be done in a standalone" }, { "start": 3040.04, "end": 3042.52, "text": " fashion and put on top of stock Android." }, { "start": 3042.52, "end": 3046, "text": " Or just take Android and customize it less." }, { "start": 3046, "end": 3048.8, "text": " But the company's just resolute and determined to be" }, { "start": 3048.8, "end": 3050.4, "text": " different for different sake." }, { "start": 3050.4, "end": 3051.88, "text": " And I think that is one of the things." }, { "start": 3051.88, "end": 3055.12, "text": " We need to be clear that sense applies to all of their" }, { "start": 3055.12, "end": 3057.12, "text": " software customizations, all bundled up." }, { "start": 3057.12, "end": 3059.12, "text": " So it's more than just a skin." }, { "start": 3059.12, "end": 3062.84, "text": " So when he says you can't do the camera without sense," }, { "start": 3062.84, "end": 3067, "text": " the semantic or the pedantic reason is that that's part of" }, { "start": 3067, "end": 3071.24, "text": " their overall branding for all of their customizations." }, { "start": 3071.24, "end": 3074.76, "text": " But yeah, I would like to see something." }, { "start": 3074.76, "end": 3079.16, "text": " What I would like to see is HTC have the confidence in its" }, { "start": 3079.16, "end": 3084.52, "text": " own software and offer a stock ROM download on its developer" }, { "start": 3084.52, "end": 3088.28, "text": " site, and I will void my warranty to go get it." }, { "start": 3088.28, "end": 3089.76, "text": " And I'm sure that it costs a bunch of" }, { "start": 3089.76, "end": 3091.36, "text": " money to develop that." }, { "start": 3091.36, "end": 3095.92, "text": " But if you think that sense is the bee's knees, give me the" }, { "start": 3095.92, "end": 3098.4, "text": " choice not to use it and see what I do." }, { "start": 3098.4, "end": 3100.7200000000003, "text": " And that's the thing that I think the people that are" }, { "start": 3100.7200000000003, "end": 3104.08, "text": " really into HTC's devices and are really excited about this" }, { "start": 3104.08, "end": 3107.08, "text": " particular one, et cetera, are the enthusiasts." }, { "start": 3107.08, "end": 3109.92, "text": " They're the people that are most likely going to take that" }, { "start": 3109.92, "end": 3112.44, "text": " device and customize the crap out of it." }, { "start": 3112.44, "end": 3115.04, "text": " So that's just like throwing them a bone, and it gives them" }, { "start": 3115.04, "end": 3120.08, "text": " that halo status among the geeks that they can be like," }, { "start": 3120.08, "end": 3123.52, "text": " I love my HTC, and go tell everyone else to buy it." }, { "start": 3123.52, "end": 3125.2000000000003, "text": " And it's never going to happen." }, { "start": 3125.2, "end": 3127.4399999999996, "text": " Yeah, they need to move beyond that crowd, though, if they're" }, { "start": 3127.4399999999996, "end": 3128.68, "text": " going to be successful." }, { "start": 3128.68, "end": 3131.04, "text": " I mean, just like the flip-flop." }, { "start": 3131.04, "end": 3131.96, "text": " It's a halo thing, though." }, { "start": 3131.96, "end": 3137.08, "text": " It's like when you think of a car manufacturer has a halo" }, { "start": 3137.08, "end": 3141.08, "text": " sports car that very few people buy, but the people" }, { "start": 3141.08, "end": 3142.7999999999997, "text": " that do buy it are influential." }, { "start": 3142.7999999999997, "end": 3147.4399999999996, "text": " And that car that they only sell a handful of units of" }, { "start": 3147.4399999999996, "end": 3149.4399999999996, "text": " influences the entire line down." }, { "start": 3149.4399999999996, "end": 3152.6, "text": " But so BlinkFeed isn't about those power users at all." }, { "start": 3152.6, "end": 3153.96, "text": " HTC knows they're not going to get them to" }, { "start": 3153.96, "end": 3154.7999999999997, "text": " care about BlinkFeed." }, { "start": 3154.8, "end": 3156.96, "text": " They're going to install a ROM, or they're going to click" }, { "start": 3156.96, "end": 3158.76, "text": " the checkbox to get the default home screen." }, { "start": 3158.76, "end": 3161.5600000000004, "text": " What it's about is the store shelf experience." }, { "start": 3161.5600000000004, "end": 3166.1200000000003, "text": " They need to have people walk into a carrier store and play" }, { "start": 3166.1200000000003, "end": 3168.2000000000003, "text": " around with it and go like, this is cool." }, { "start": 3168.2000000000003, "end": 3170.48, "text": " That's what the old flip clock did back in the day." }, { "start": 3170.48, "end": 3172.04, "text": " It was about the store shelf experience." }, { "start": 3172.04, "end": 3174.48, "text": " That's what BlinkFeed is now." }, { "start": 3174.48, "end": 3177.52, "text": " If I'm Peter Chow, I could give a good god damn if people" }, { "start": 3177.52, "end": 3180.36, "text": " use BlinkFeed a month after they buy it." }, { "start": 3180.36, "end": 3183.28, "text": " If it gets them to buy it, that's good enough." }, { "start": 3183.28, "end": 3184.76, "text": " So let's talk about these buttons." }, { "start": 3184.76, "end": 3186, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3186, "end": 3188.0400000000004, "text": " That's good." }, { "start": 3188.0400000000004, "end": 3190.1600000000003, "text": " Somehow we missed this in discussing hardware, but it" }, { "start": 3190.1600000000003, "end": 3193.0400000000004, "text": " kind of relates to software anyways, because I used it." }, { "start": 3193.0400000000004, "end": 3196.96, "text": " So HTC last year used three capacitive buttons on this" }, { "start": 3196.96, "end": 3199.76, "text": " device, you have a back, a home, and a recent apps or" }, { "start": 3199.76, "end": 3202.92, "text": " multitasking key, depending on how you want to call that." }, { "start": 3202.92, "end": 3205.5600000000004, "text": " But this year, it's only got two buttons." }, { "start": 3205.5600000000004, "end": 3209.44, "text": " And the one that's been axed is that multitasking key." }, { "start": 3209.44, "end": 3213.26, "text": " And HTC claims that the average user doesn't care and" }, { "start": 3213.26, "end": 3215.0800000000004, "text": " doesn't use it and doesn't want to use it and" }, { "start": 3215.0800000000004, "end": 3216.5600000000004, "text": " isn't aware of it." }, { "start": 3216.5600000000004, "end": 3220, "text": " And so they've buried the function under a double tap of" }, { "start": 3220, "end": 3223.2000000000003, "text": " the home key, which is located on the right side of the phone" }, { "start": 3223.2000000000003, "end": 3225.76, "text": " just above that bottom speaker." }, { "start": 3225.76, "end": 3227.0400000000004, "text": " And the back button is on the opposite" }, { "start": 3227.0400000000004, "end": 3228.5200000000004, "text": " side on the left side." }, { "start": 3228.5200000000004, "end": 3231.4, "text": " So they've buried multitasking under a double tap, and they've" }, { "start": 3231.4, "end": 3235.2000000000003, "text": " buried Google Now under a long press of the button." }, { "start": 3235.2000000000003, "end": 3237.5200000000004, "text": " And then the menu button appears at the bottom of the" }, { "start": 3237.5200000000004, "end": 3240.28, "text": " screen by default, but you can turn that off and make a long" }, { "start": 3240.28, "end": 3242.5200000000004, "text": " press of the back button toggle the menu." }, { "start": 3242.5200000000004, "end": 3243.1600000000003, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3243.16, "end": 3246.08, "text": " So you can open up all these long press options, which are" }, { "start": 3246.08, "end": 3248.3199999999997, "text": " like the way to bury features." }, { "start": 3248.3199999999997, "end": 3250.8399999999997, "text": " This is why, if you want users to not care about" }, { "start": 3250.8399999999997, "end": 3252.8399999999997, "text": " multitasking, this is how you do it." }, { "start": 3252.8399999999997, "end": 3254.16, "text": " You just hide it from them." }, { "start": 3254.16, "end": 3255.48, "text": " So here's the thing." }, { "start": 3255.48, "end": 3257.8399999999997, "text": " HTC's not wrong that most users don't care about the" }, { "start": 3257.8399999999997, "end": 3259.8399999999997, "text": " multitasking button." }, { "start": 3259.8399999999997, "end": 3262.64, "text": " Probably not." }, { "start": 3262.64, "end": 3266.7599999999998, "text": " But at the same time, if it's there, they're going to hit it" }, { "start": 3266.7599999999998, "end": 3268.52, "text": " and they're going to see it and they're going to see what" }, { "start": 3268.52, "end": 3269.2, "text": " they can do with it." }, { "start": 3269.2, "end": 3272.2, "text": " And if they bury it under a double tap of something which" }, { "start": 3272.2, "end": 3273.9199999999996, "text": " you know, how many people are really going to figure out that" }, { "start": 3273.9199999999996, "end": 3276.7599999999998, "text": " a double tap of the button launches this, then they're" }, { "start": 3276.7599999999998, "end": 3279.6, "text": " never going to use that feature ever." }, { "start": 3279.6, "end": 3282.3199999999997, "text": " And this is perfect evidence for my point about HTC wanting" }, { "start": 3282.3199999999997, "end": 3285.96, "text": " to be different for its own sake." }, { "start": 3285.96, "end": 3289.2, "text": " The multitasking overview, the visual multitasking, is" }, { "start": 3289.2, "end": 3291.12, "text": " different again from last year." }, { "start": 3291.12, "end": 3291.6, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3291.6, "end": 3292, "text": " It's better." }, { "start": 3292, "end": 3296.68, "text": " So last year, it was some sort of three dimensional card" }, { "start": 3296.68, "end": 3299.12, "text": " system where you slide left and right." }, { "start": 3299.12, "end": 3301.8399999999997, "text": " With the worst inertial scrolling ever." }, { "start": 3301.84, "end": 3302.1600000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3302.1600000000003, "end": 3307.7200000000003, "text": " Now it's nine thumbnails and you can swipe up to dismiss" }, { "start": 3307.7200000000003, "end": 3309.92, "text": " them, yada, yada, yada." }, { "start": 3309.92, "end": 3312.44, "text": " It looks like the Nokia N9 is multitasking." }, { "start": 3312.44, "end": 3313.32, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3313.32, "end": 3320.32, "text": " But it's just nine and there's no option to just shut down" }, { "start": 3320.32, "end": 3322.52, "text": " all of them at the same time." }, { "start": 3322.52, "end": 3329.1600000000003, "text": " Which is again, it's in the freaking stock Android." }, { "start": 3329.16, "end": 3333.68, "text": " You take good software and you destroy it." }, { "start": 3333.68, "end": 3336.3999999999996, "text": " You take things away." }, { "start": 3336.3999999999996, "end": 3338.8399999999997, "text": " You slather on nonsense on top of it." }, { "start": 3338.8399999999997, "end": 3339.52, "text": " You know, honestly." }, { "start": 3339.52, "end": 3342.16, "text": " On the stock Android, there's no dismissal, number one." }, { "start": 3342.16, "end": 3344.8399999999997, "text": " Number two, I can only see 3 and 1 half apps on the" }, { "start": 3344.8399999999997, "end": 3346.08, "text": " multitasking button." }, { "start": 3348.7999999999997, "end": 3351, "text": " There's no dismissal on stock Android?" }, { "start": 3351, "end": 3351.2799999999997, "text": " No." }, { "start": 3351.2799999999997, "end": 3351.64, "text": " No." }, { "start": 3351.64, "end": 3352.8799999999997, "text": " Not for all of the apps." }, { "start": 3352.8799999999997, "end": 3354.72, "text": " You can do it one by one, obviously." }, { "start": 3354.72, "end": 3355.08, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 3355.08, "end": 3358.04, "text": " Well then everybody else has been doing that, I guess." }, { "start": 3358.04, "end": 3360, "text": " That's a good skin customization." }, { "start": 3360, "end": 3360.36, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 3360.36, "end": 3361.04, "text": " I take that back." }, { "start": 3361.04, "end": 3362.08, "text": " I take that back." }, { "start": 3362.08, "end": 3362.84, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 3362.84, "end": 3367.2, "text": " But still, to me, it's like I'm seeing all these changes." }, { "start": 3367.2, "end": 3368.2799999999997, "text": " I'm seeing all this work." }, { "start": 3368.2799999999997, "end": 3370.68, "text": " People have gone into the office, spent time doing this." }, { "start": 3370.68, "end": 3373.8, "text": " And I just feel like this is not where you need to change" }, { "start": 3373.8, "end": 3375, "text": " about your phone from last year." }, { "start": 3375, "end": 3377.88, "text": " This is not the reason you haven't been selling phones." }, { "start": 3377.88, "end": 3381.64, "text": " Samsung has been selling phones." }, { "start": 3381.64, "end": 3383.52, "text": " And that's where we find ourselves." }, { "start": 3383.52, "end": 3385.52, "text": " Well, it's interesting." }, { "start": 3385.52, "end": 3389, "text": " I'm railing on this two button layout pretty hard." }, { "start": 3389, "end": 3392.72, "text": " I really want to use it in an actual workflow and see if I" }, { "start": 3392.72, "end": 3394, "text": " can live with it." }, { "start": 3394, "end": 3398.7599999999998, "text": " Because the fact of the matter is I use an iPhone often." }, { "start": 3398.7599999999998, "end": 3400.16, "text": " And that only has one stick and button." }, { "start": 3400.16, "end": 3403.68, "text": " And I have to double tap that to open up my multitasking" }, { "start": 3403.68, "end": 3405.08, "text": " tray or whatever as well." }, { "start": 3405.08, "end": 3407.36, "text": " So I could be making a big deal of nothing." }, { "start": 3407.36, "end": 3409.56, "text": " But I do like that multitasking button on the" }, { "start": 3409.56, "end": 3410.8, "text": " old phones." }, { "start": 3412.96, "end": 3414.88, "text": " And you know where else you need to double tap the home" }, { "start": 3414.88, "end": 3418.04, "text": " button is the GS3." }, { "start": 3418.04, "end": 3421.2400000000002, "text": " This thing is getting released on like 180" }, { "start": 3421.2400000000002, "end": 3422.32, "text": " carriers worldwide." }, { "start": 3422.32, "end": 3423.32, "text": " 185." }, { "start": 3423.32, "end": 3424.92, "text": " 185." }, { "start": 3424.92, "end": 3428.04, "text": " In the US it's getting released on AT&T, T-Mobile," }, { "start": 3428.04, "end": 3431, "text": " and Sprint, but not Verizon." }, { "start": 3431, "end": 3432.6800000000003, "text": " Sorry, Verizon." }, { "start": 3432.6800000000003, "end": 3434.1600000000003, "text": " Sorry, HTC." }, { "start": 3434.1600000000003, "end": 3436.8, "text": " Yeah, I was going to say, sorry, Verizon has nothing to" }, { "start": 3436.8, "end": 3437.2400000000002, "text": " do with it." }, { "start": 3437.2400000000002, "end": 3438.48, "text": " This was Verizon's decision, actually." }, { "start": 3438.48, "end": 3442.56, "text": " I was saying, sorry, Verizon users that want this phone." }, { "start": 3442.56, "end": 3445.68, "text": " The real story is sorry, HTC, that it's being" }, { "start": 3445.68, "end": 3447.4, "text": " left out of Big Red." }, { "start": 3447.4, "end": 3448.16, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3448.16, "end": 3450.44, "text": " So I mean, yeah." }, { "start": 3450.44, "end": 3451.7, "text": " It's just terrible." }, { "start": 3455.12, "end": 3457.52, "text": " They can't catch a break, right?" }, { "start": 3457.52, "end": 3460.2, "text": " They have no leverage with Verizon." }, { "start": 3460.2, "end": 3464.24, "text": " And it's just, if they can sell a bunch of these phones" }, { "start": 3464.24, "end": 3466.92, "text": " on other carriers and build the brand the way that they" }, { "start": 3466.92, "end": 3471.7999999999997, "text": " didn't in 2012, maybe they can start to get Verizon to be" }, { "start": 3471.8, "end": 3472.84, "text": " like, yeah, sure, we'll carry it." }, { "start": 3472.84, "end": 3473.52, "text": " What the heck?" }, { "start": 3473.52, "end": 3476.92, "text": " Give us a Droid 2, but give us this." }, { "start": 3476.92, "end": 3480.6000000000004, "text": " But until then, I don't know." }, { "start": 3480.6000000000004, "end": 3484.1600000000003, "text": " It's basically kneecapping them from the start at launch." }, { "start": 3484.1600000000003, "end": 3486.8, "text": " It should be coming out in March, and the dates are kind" }, { "start": 3486.8, "end": 3488.96, "text": " of fuzzy, I think." }, { "start": 3488.96, "end": 3490.6400000000003, "text": " But the other thing that's kneecapping them from the" }, { "start": 3490.6400000000003, "end": 3493.92, "text": " start is, just like last year, there's going to be a" }, { "start": 3493.92, "end": 3496.0800000000004, "text": " bunch of people that are going to be looking at this and" }, { "start": 3496.0800000000004, "end": 3498.28, "text": " waiting to make their purchase decision until they see what" }, { "start": 3498.28, "end": 3501.32, "text": " Samsung has on deck." }, { "start": 3501.32, "end": 3503.04, "text": " And Chris is cute." }, { "start": 3503.04, "end": 3503.96, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 3503.96, "end": 3510.38, "text": " Well, just to wrap the discussion with Verizon, let's" }, { "start": 3510.38, "end": 3513.96, "text": " not forget the fact that the Droid DNA just came out a few" }, { "start": 3513.96, "end": 3515.04, "text": " weeks ago." }, { "start": 3515.04, "end": 3518.92, "text": " So HTC is still on a cycle with them." }, { "start": 3518.92, "end": 3522.52, "text": " It's not like they're getting shut out of Verizon." }, { "start": 3522.52, "end": 3526.8, "text": " And I think that Verizon is just continuing to exercise" }, { "start": 3526.8, "end": 3531.04, "text": " its extraordinary purchasing power on OEMs that can't" }, { "start": 3531.04, "end": 3535.12, "text": " afford to standardize across the range, HTC included." }, { "start": 3535.12, "end": 3538.92, "text": " So I don't know." }, { "start": 3538.92, "end": 3541.96, "text": " The Droid DNA is a good phone, right?" }, { "start": 3541.96, "end": 3544.32, "text": " Dan, I think that you may be the only one among us who've" }, { "start": 3544.32, "end": 3546.16, "text": " used both." }, { "start": 3546.16, "end": 3547.84, "text": " Do you have an opinion on which one you'd" }, { "start": 3547.84, "end": 3549.32, "text": " rather take home?" }, { "start": 3549.32, "end": 3551.64, "text": " The one versus the DNA?" }, { "start": 3551.64, "end": 3553.32, "text": " I would rather have the one, just because" }, { "start": 3553.32, "end": 3554.24, "text": " it's slightly smaller." }, { "start": 3554.24, "end": 3556.68, "text": " The DNA is very frustratingly large." }, { "start": 3556.68, "end": 3559, "text": " And the one, I do like the aluminum chassis." }, { "start": 3559, "end": 3560.88, "text": " The DNA's got the soft touch plastic." }, { "start": 3560.88, "end": 3563.92, "text": " But I like the aluminum body on the one." }, { "start": 3563.92, "end": 3567.84, "text": " And the DNA has last year's camera technology." }, { "start": 3567.84, "end": 3569.96, "text": " And the one has this year's camera technology, et cetera." }, { "start": 3569.96, "end": 3575.36, "text": " So I think as far as a device goes, I would go with the one" }, { "start": 3575.36, "end": 3576.84, "text": " over the DNA." }, { "start": 3576.84, "end": 3577.32, "text": " It's fair." }, { "start": 3577.32, "end": 3579, "text": " Sounds prudent." }, { "start": 3579, "end": 3581.52, "text": " But yeah, about this GS4 rumor." }, { "start": 3581.52, "end": 3586.7200000000003, "text": " So Eldar Murtazin, or however you pronounce his last name," }, { "start": 3586.7200000000003, "end": 3588.08, "text": " I'm sure I'm pronouncing it incorrectly." }, { "start": 3588.08, "end": 3590.08, "text": " And I apologize, Eldar, if you happen to be" }, { "start": 3590.08, "end": 3590.82, "text": " watching our show." }, { "start": 3590.82, "end": 3593.6400000000003, "text": " You're probably not." }, { "start": 3593.6400000000003, "end": 3598.8, "text": " He has a long, long, long history of breaking news and" }, { "start": 3598.8, "end": 3603.48, "text": " also spreading incorrect rumors, to be very blunt," }, { "start": 3603.48, "end": 3607.1200000000003, "text": " going back to the early Nokia Symbian days, back when it" }, { "start": 3607.1200000000003, "end": 3608.52, "text": " was still at 60." }, { "start": 3608.52, "end": 3612.48, "text": " And so he tweeted yesterday morning, I think it was" }, { "start": 3612.48, "end": 3618.2400000000002, "text": " yesterday, that there would be a big event on March 14." }, { "start": 3618.24, "end": 3620.9199999999996, "text": " Didn't specify Samsung, didn't specify GS4, just said" }, { "start": 3620.9199999999996, "end": 3622.9599999999996, "text": " there was going to be a big event on March 14, and that" }, { "start": 3622.9599999999996, "end": 3625.9599999999996, "text": " it was going to kill the HTC One, basically." }, { "start": 3625.9599999999996, "end": 3630.6, "text": " And Sammobile, which is a site with a pretty good" }, { "start": 3630.6, "end": 3637.3199999999997, "text": " reputation for Samsung leaks, posted about that tweet and" }, { "start": 3637.3199999999997, "end": 3639.8799999999997, "text": " then followed up saying that they had confirmed that that" }, { "start": 3639.8799999999997, "end": 3642.3599999999997, "text": " would be for the GS4." }, { "start": 3642.3599999999997, "end": 3645.9199999999996, "text": " We did a little research on our end, talked to some" }, { "start": 3645.92, "end": 3648.96, "text": " sources who have a very good track record, and they" }, { "start": 3648.96, "end": 3651.36, "text": " basically came back and said, yeah, that's definitely the" }, { "start": 3651.36, "end": 3652.8, "text": " date, March 14." }, { "start": 3652.8, "end": 3655.8, "text": " It's going to be a US event." }, { "start": 3655.8, "end": 3657.2400000000002, "text": " Which is interesting." }, { "start": 3657.2400000000002, "end": 3658.6800000000003, "text": " Yes, it is." }, { "start": 3658.6800000000003, "end": 3662.4, "text": " The last event was in London, so it's in the US" }, { "start": 3662.4, "end": 3664.12, "text": " this time around." }, { "start": 3664.12, "end": 3667.02, "text": " And yeah, it may be a coincidence." }, { "start": 3667.02, "end": 3669.52, "text": " It's hard to tell how much industrial espionage is" }, { "start": 3669.52, "end": 3670.36, "text": " actually going on here." }, { "start": 3670.36, "end": 3675.44, "text": " But it does suck for HTC that this phone is being" }, { "start": 3675.44, "end": 3680.12, "text": " announced literally days before the ones start shipping" }, { "start": 3680.12, "end": 3681.8, "text": " around the world." }, { "start": 3681.8, "end": 3683.68, "text": " The timing couldn't be worse for them." }, { "start": 3683.68, "end": 3686.04, "text": " That is, of course, assuming that the date doesn't slip." }, { "start": 3686.04, "end": 3688.96, "text": " But as of right now, 3-14 is looking like the date to watch." }, { "start": 3693.2000000000003, "end": 3695.28, "text": " We don't know anything about it." }, { "start": 3695.28, "end": 3698.08, "text": " That's the other thing to know." }, { "start": 3698.08, "end": 3702.36, "text": " We know that it's going to be another very feature-heavy" }, { "start": 3702.36, "end": 3704.64, "text": " announcement, and Vlad and I were debating about this" }, { "start": 3704.64, "end": 3706.3199999999997, "text": " earlier, about just how feature-heavy the" }, { "start": 3706.3199999999997, "end": 3707.8399999999997, "text": " GS3 announcement was." }, { "start": 3707.8399999999997, "end": 3710.8399999999997, "text": " I thought that they put a lot of emphasis on these weird" }, { "start": 3710.8399999999997, "end": 3712.3599999999997, "text": " gimmicky features." }, { "start": 3712.3599999999997, "end": 3715.52, "text": " That's smart to say, always comes to mind." }, { "start": 3715.52, "end": 3718.8799999999997, "text": " And our source says that with the GS4, it's going to be even" }, { "start": 3718.8799999999997, "end": 3719.72, "text": " more pronounced." }, { "start": 3719.72, "end": 3724.68, "text": " It's going to be the biggest leap in feature set since" }, { "start": 3724.68, "end": 3728.68, "text": " launch of the Galaxy S series, and bigger than the Delta" }, { "start": 3728.68, "end": 3731.64, "text": " from the GS2 to the GS3." }, { "start": 3731.64, "end": 3736.8799999999997, "text": " And then we also heard that the phone's industrial design" }, { "start": 3736.8799999999997, "end": 3741.08, "text": " would mirror that of the Note 8.0, which has been leaked" }, { "start": 3741.08, "end": 3745.96, "text": " recently, which is Samsung's new mid-sized tablet that" }, { "start": 3745.96, "end": 3748.08, "text": " we're actually expecting to see debut at Mobile World" }, { "start": 3748.08, "end": 3748.7999999999997, "text": " Congress next week." }, { "start": 3748.7999999999997, "end": 3750.4, "text": " I think that's going to be Samsung's big" }, { "start": 3750.4, "end": 3751.48, "text": " announcement there." }, { "start": 3751.48, "end": 3755.3199999999997, "text": " So the final ID for that product that we see next week" }, { "start": 3755.3199999999997, "end": 3759.7999999999997, "text": " should give us some hints as to what we can expect to see" }, { "start": 3759.8, "end": 3762.0800000000004, "text": " with the GS4 in terms of ID." }, { "start": 3762.0800000000004, "end": 3763.28, "text": " But that's about all we know." }, { "start": 3763.28, "end": 3765.0800000000004, "text": " I mean, I think that 1080p is obviously a" }, { "start": 3765.0800000000004, "end": 3767.44, "text": " very safe assumption." }, { "start": 3767.44, "end": 3772.76, "text": " We've been seeing Samsung's 4.99 inch panels with 1080p" }, { "start": 3772.76, "end": 3773.52, "text": " resolution." }, { "start": 3773.52, "end": 3775.7200000000003, "text": " But what's interesting is that you're saying" }, { "start": 3775.7200000000003, "end": 3776.5800000000004, "text": " that's all we know." }, { "start": 3776.5800000000004, "end": 3779.2400000000002, "text": " And that's such a stark contrast to what we were" }, { "start": 3779.2400000000002, "end": 3781.84, "text": " talking last year at this time about Samsung." }, { "start": 3781.84, "end": 3784.7200000000003, "text": " Like we're maybe just over three weeks away from this" }, { "start": 3784.7200000000003, "end": 3786.76, "text": " alleged launch date, and we haven't seen a" }, { "start": 3786.76, "end": 3788.2000000000003, "text": " single leaked image." }, { "start": 3788.2, "end": 3791.64, "text": " We haven't seen a single leaked design or anything." }, { "start": 3791.64, "end": 3794.3199999999997, "text": " Whether they've been replaced last year or not," }, { "start": 3794.3199999999997, "end": 3795.4399999999996, "text": " there's been nothing." }, { "start": 3795.4399999999996, "end": 3799.12, "text": " So it's pretty interesting to see how different" }, { "start": 3799.12, "end": 3800.3199999999997, "text": " that is this year." }, { "start": 3800.3199999999997, "end": 3802.64, "text": " And I think that, to be honest, I think that Samsung" }, { "start": 3802.64, "end": 3813.56, "text": " is starting to get a little addicted to the PR aspects of" }, { "start": 3813.56, "end": 3815.3599999999997, "text": " product security and all that." }, { "start": 3815.36, "end": 3818.7200000000003, "text": " Because you remember last year, leading up to the GS3," }, { "start": 3818.7200000000003, "end": 3822.6, "text": " there were all those incorrect leaks." }, { "start": 3822.6, "end": 3824.1600000000003, "text": " And then the phone was announced." }, { "start": 3824.1600000000003, "end": 3827.7200000000003, "text": " And then Samsung actually came out with this big blog post" }, { "start": 3827.7200000000003, "end": 3831.96, "text": " basically congratulating itself on fooling everybody." }, { "start": 3831.96, "end": 3836.6800000000003, "text": " And I think we're about to see this same cycle again." }, { "start": 3836.6800000000003, "end": 3839.7200000000003, "text": " I think that we're hearing the Note 8 leaks have been" }, { "start": 3839.7200000000003, "end": 3841.8, "text": " incorrect in terms of what the device" }, { "start": 3841.8, "end": 3842.6, "text": " actually looks like." }, { "start": 3842.6, "end": 3844.6, "text": " Right now, the leaks that we've seen basically make it" }, { "start": 3844.6, "end": 3848, "text": " look like a giant GS3 or a giant Note 2." }, { "start": 3848, "end": 3849.7999999999997, "text": " So we're hearing that that's incorrect." }, { "start": 3849.7999999999997, "end": 3853.52, "text": " We haven't heard squat about the GS4, like you say, Dan." }, { "start": 3853.52, "end": 3857.96, "text": " So I think that Samsung is really putting their nose to" }, { "start": 3857.96, "end": 3859.96, "text": " the grindstone on security, and they're super proud of it." }, { "start": 3859.96, "end": 3862.7599999999998, "text": " I guarantee you, after March 14, we're going to get another" }, { "start": 3862.7599999999998, "end": 3866.4, "text": " blog post from them saying how they did it." }, { "start": 3866.4, "end": 3869.8399999999997, "text": " I just want to, on that topic, I do also want to point out" }, { "start": 3869.84, "end": 3878.2400000000002, "text": " that Samsung and HTC and all of these Asian manufacturers" }, { "start": 3878.2400000000002, "end": 3881.6400000000003, "text": " consider just the basic quantity of people that" }, { "start": 3881.6400000000003, "end": 3886.1200000000003, "text": " attend their launch event part of their self-assessment and" }, { "start": 3886.1200000000003, "end": 3887.84, "text": " part of their success of a launch event." }, { "start": 3887.84, "end": 3890.84, "text": " They don't really give a rat's ass whether you're connected" }, { "start": 3890.84, "end": 3893.88, "text": " and whether your live blog actually exists and whether" }, { "start": 3893.88, "end": 3896.1600000000003, "text": " they're connected with actual consumers." }, { "start": 3896.1600000000003, "end": 3898.56, "text": " They just want to see how many bodies they can fit inside a" }, { "start": 3898.56, "end": 3901.64, "text": " massive hole in a big city." }, { "start": 3901.64, "end": 3903.48, "text": " But on that topic, nice bit of trivia from" }, { "start": 3903.48, "end": 3905.52, "text": " HTC's event today." }, { "start": 3905.52, "end": 3908.84, "text": " Peter Chow, when he came in, he came in very early and just" }, { "start": 3908.84, "end": 3910.92, "text": " kind of snuck in because nobody noticed him for some" }, { "start": 3910.92, "end": 3914.2, "text": " reason, so it's kind of like a random Taiwanese dude just" }, { "start": 3914.2, "end": 3915.96, "text": " walks in, and I'm like, that was Peter Chow." }, { "start": 3915.96, "end": 3919.36, "text": " Why didn't anybody freak out and try and take his photo?" }, { "start": 3919.36, "end": 3925.48, "text": " But then I think his wife still, Chae Wang, who's the" }, { "start": 3925.48, "end": 3930.08, "text": " chairwoman of HTC, I believe she is the chairwoman of HTC." }, { "start": 3930.08, "end": 3934.56, "text": " Well, anyway, she's also the boss of VIA, which is another" }, { "start": 3934.56, "end": 3935.44, "text": " big Taiwanese company." }, { "start": 3935.44, "end": 3937.44, "text": " She's a big deal in Taiwan." }, { "start": 3937.44, "end": 3941.2, "text": " When she arrived, man, it was like she had an entourage of" }, { "start": 3941.2, "end": 3945.08, "text": " 20 people with cameras and video cameras and DSLRs and" }, { "start": 3945.08, "end": 3946.04, "text": " things like that." }, { "start": 3946.04, "end": 3947.88, "text": " And she was the focus of attention" }, { "start": 3947.88, "end": 3949.32, "text": " everywhere she went." }, { "start": 3949.32, "end": 3951.44, "text": " It was really weird because Peter Chow was there, and" }, { "start": 3951.44, "end": 3955.2400000000002, "text": " people could see him floating in and out of the event." }, { "start": 3955.24, "end": 3956.12, "text": " Nobody chased him." }, { "start": 3956.12, "end": 3960.2, "text": " When she had anything to say, people with lights on their" }, { "start": 3960.2, "end": 3962.72, "text": " cameras and all sorts were just all around her." }, { "start": 3962.72, "end": 3963.9199999999996, "text": " I don't really understand that." }, { "start": 3963.9199999999996, "end": 3967.8399999999997, "text": " I don't really understand the dynamics and how she's a" }, { "start": 3967.8399999999997, "end": 3970.7999999999997, "text": " bigger celebrity than him over there in Taipei, but it was" }, { "start": 3970.7999999999997, "end": 3973.8399999999997, "text": " just kind of a curious thing for me." }, { "start": 3973.8399999999997, "end": 3976, "text": " The only thing I have to say about that is I want everybody" }, { "start": 3976, "end": 3979.9599999999996, "text": " to appreciate just how awesome this photo that Vlad took of" }, { "start": 3979.9599999999996, "end": 3981.3199999999997, "text": " Peter Chow is." }, { "start": 3981.3199999999997, "end": 3982.24, "text": " It's amazing." }, { "start": 3982.24, "end": 3983.56, "text": " He looks like such a boss." }, { "start": 3983.56, "end": 3986.48, "text": " He's just stupendous." }, { "start": 3986.48, "end": 3986.84, "text": " Nice job." }, { "start": 3986.84, "end": 3988.32, "text": " And he is indeed the boss." }, { "start": 3988.32, "end": 3988.72, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 3988.72, "end": 3989.7599999999998, "text": " That's true." }, { "start": 3989.7599999999998, "end": 3989.92, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3989.92, "end": 3992.04, "text": " I mean, he's kind of a laid back guy." }, { "start": 3992.04, "end": 3994.84, "text": " Also, just another thing to point out because the comments" }, { "start": 3994.84, "end": 3999.24, "text": " on that interview suggest that it kind of sounds aggressive." }, { "start": 3999.24, "end": 4002.92, "text": " We're angry at each other and pointing a finger when I'm" }, { "start": 4002.92, "end": 4005.68, "text": " asking questions, and he's kind of giving me a dirty look" }, { "start": 4005.68, "end": 4007.2, "text": " when he's answering." }, { "start": 4007.2, "end": 4012.2, "text": " But because it's just transcribed in text, I think" }, { "start": 4012.2, "end": 4014, "text": " the tone of the actual interview wasn't really" }, { "start": 4014, "end": 4014.4399999999996, "text": " conveyed." }, { "start": 4014.4399999999996, "end": 4016.52, "text": " Like, there was a bit of a language barrier because" }, { "start": 4016.52, "end": 4018.96, "text": " English isn't perfect." }, { "start": 4018.96, "end": 4023.2799999999997, "text": " And where I pressed him on things, I did so gently." }, { "start": 4023.2799999999997, "end": 4023.7999999999997, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 4023.7999999999997, "end": 4025.64, "text": " And he smiles when he gets those questions." }, { "start": 4025.64, "end": 4027, "text": " He's like, yeah, I know what you're doing." }, { "start": 4027, "end": 4028.6, "text": " I'm going to give you an answer now." }, { "start": 4028.6, "end": 4029.8399999999997, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 4033.04, "end": 4036.12, "text": " I have nothing else to say about the HTC One or the" }, { "start": 4036.12, "end": 4040.3999999999996, "text": " Galaxy S4 or the wireless charging orb." }, { "start": 4040.4, "end": 4042.84, "text": " You guys want to talk about the Ubuntu phone and that it's" }, { "start": 4042.84, "end": 4043.6800000000003, "text": " not coming till next year?" }, { "start": 4043.6800000000003, "end": 4045.64, "text": " Peter, you didn't answer the most important question of" }, { "start": 4045.64, "end": 4049.44, "text": " all, would you rather have the HTC One or the Galaxy S4?" }, { "start": 4049.44, "end": 4050.6, "text": " I'm going to wait and see." }, { "start": 4050.6, "end": 4052.04, "text": " Yeah, what's your next?" }, { "start": 4052.04, "end": 4054.4, "text": " I'm going to wait and see." }, { "start": 4054.4, "end": 4055.92, "text": " I'm going to tell you guys right now." }, { "start": 4055.92, "end": 4058, "text": " Here's the thing that I would love to be proven wrong on." }, { "start": 4058, "end": 4060.92, "text": " And it's like, I'm convinced, even though we haven't seen" }, { "start": 4060.92, "end": 4062.88, "text": " anything, we really know nothing about the Galaxy S4," }, { "start": 4062.88, "end": 4065.12, "text": " I'm convinced it's going to be made out of plastic." }, { "start": 4065.12, "end": 4068.76, "text": " And that will make me want the HTC More on a hardware level." }, { "start": 4068.76, "end": 4071.8, "text": " I would love for Samsung to just prove me wrong and make" }, { "start": 4071.8, "end": 4075.2000000000003, "text": " me shove my foot in my mouth and release an aluminum device." }, { "start": 4075.2000000000003, "end": 4077.4, "text": " But that happened last year." }, { "start": 4077.4, "end": 4081.32, "text": " I just feel like we're going through an absolute" }, { "start": 4081.32, "end": 4081.96, "text": " recurrence." }, { "start": 4081.96, "end": 4085.6000000000004, "text": " And maybe we should call this episode 37 instead of 35." }, { "start": 4085.6000000000004, "end": 4086.92, "text": " We should move with the time." }, { "start": 4086.92, "end": 4088.1600000000003, "text": " Deja vu." }, { "start": 4088.1600000000003, "end": 4090.7200000000003, "text": " This is actually, we live in the Battlestar Galactica" }, { "start": 4090.7200000000003, "end": 4091.32, "text": " universe." }, { "start": 4091.32, "end": 4093, "text": " Everything that has happened before and everything will" }, { "start": 4093, "end": 4093.76, "text": " happen again." }, { "start": 4093.76, "end": 4097.400000000001, "text": " And so we're just reliving 2012." }, { "start": 4097.400000000001, "end": 4098.56, "text": " Only the Cylons." }, { "start": 4098.56, "end": 4102.080000000001, "text": " Maybe this is the Matrix." }, { "start": 4102.080000000001, "end": 4103.400000000001, "text": " Same situation." }, { "start": 4103.400000000001, "end": 4104.240000000001, "text": " It's a similar story." }, { "start": 4104.240000000001, "end": 4106.52, "text": " It's an alternate universe, similar story." }, { "start": 4106.52, "end": 4107.6, "text": " Minor details are different." }, { "start": 4107.6, "end": 4109.200000000001, "text": " This is what happened last year." }, { "start": 4109.200000000001, "end": 4113.160000000001, "text": " And the year before, HTC was first with the Sensation before" }, { "start": 4113.160000000001, "end": 4115.160000000001, "text": " the Galaxy S2." }, { "start": 4115.160000000001, "end": 4118.080000000001, "text": " HTC was first with the One X coming out before the Galaxy S3." }, { "start": 4120.68, "end": 4124.400000000001, "text": " And both of those devices had higher quality materials." }, { "start": 4124.400000000001, "end": 4128.240000000001, "text": " The One X versus the Galaxy S3 is just no contest in terms of" }, { "start": 4128.24, "end": 4128.84, "text": " physical design." }, { "start": 4128.84, "end": 4130.76, "text": " The One X is just so much nicer." }, { "start": 4130.76, "end": 4133.08, "text": " It has a better display." }, { "start": 4133.08, "end": 4135.76, "text": " HTC, in terms of hardware, just keeps winning." }, { "start": 4135.76, "end": 4137.84, "text": " It keeps having the better device." }, { "start": 4137.84, "end": 4144.24, "text": " And yet, Samsung keeps beating it with those dumb features." }, { "start": 4144.24, "end": 4146.5199999999995, "text": " I mean, even this is a similar thing." }, { "start": 4146.5199999999995, "end": 4149.24, "text": " It's not beating them with commercials, dude." }, { "start": 4149.24, "end": 4150.76, "text": " It's beating it with the marketing push." }, { "start": 4150.76, "end": 4154.84, "text": " I mean, if you turn on a TV and you see a commercial for a" }, { "start": 4154.84, "end": 4156.12, "text": " cell phone company, you're usually going to" }, { "start": 4156.12, "end": 4157.4, "text": " see Apple or Samsung." }, { "start": 4157.4, "end": 4160.48, "text": " And Samsung's going to be, lately, thankfully, it's been" }, { "start": 4160.48, "end": 4163.36, "text": " talking about its features instead of just trying to make" }, { "start": 4163.36, "end": 4164.879999999999, "text": " fun of Apple buyers." }, { "start": 4164.879999999999, "end": 4167.4, "text": " Whereas you don't see an HTC commercial." }, { "start": 4167.4, "end": 4170.24, "text": " You might see it initially, like right when a phone is" }, { "start": 4170.24, "end": 4172.799999999999, "text": " released, you might see a handful of HTC commercials." }, { "start": 4172.799999999999, "end": 4175.44, "text": " But they're not running for like six months at a time." }, { "start": 4175.44, "end": 4178.2, "text": " I still see Galaxy S3 commercials on TV." }, { "start": 4178.2, "end": 4182.4, "text": " And that phone was launched in, what, June or July?" }, { "start": 4182.4, "end": 4187.44, "text": " So this time around, HTC is going to take a bigger role in" }, { "start": 4187.44, "end": 4189.4, "text": " the marketing of its own phones instead of leaving it to the" }, { "start": 4189.4, "end": 4190.36, "text": " carriers." }, { "start": 4190.36, "end": 4193.719999999999, "text": " It's going to do it in specific cities because it" }, { "start": 4193.719999999999, "end": 4196.04, "text": " doesn't have a ton of money." }, { "start": 4196.04, "end": 4198.96, "text": " And I don't think they're going to be spending at the" }, { "start": 4198.96, "end": 4199.96, "text": " company money." }, { "start": 4199.96, "end": 4202.12, "text": " But they are going to try and market this stuff directly to" }, { "start": 4202.12, "end": 4204.24, "text": " consumers themselves." }, { "start": 4204.24, "end": 4207.679999999999, "text": " And I mean, that's smart insofar as the carriers" }, { "start": 4207.679999999999, "end": 4212.2, "text": " certainly didn't help them out with the 1X or the 1S at all." }, { "start": 4212.2, "end": 4214.88, "text": " And I don't think they're going to be spending that money" }, { "start": 4214.88, "end": 4216.36, "text": " in any appreciable way." }, { "start": 4216.36, "end": 4220.94, "text": " But does HTC have the resources to do what they need" }, { "start": 4220.94, "end": 4223.08, "text": " to do to actually compete with this phone from a marketing" }, { "start": 4223.08, "end": 4226.76, "text": " perspective, especially given the fact that they have this" }, { "start": 4226.76, "end": 4232, "text": " camera and this link feed UI that is going to initially put" }, { "start": 4232, "end": 4237.44, "text": " consumers off if they don't market it just so, just right?" }, { "start": 4237.44, "end": 4240.12, "text": " Go ahead, Chris." }, { "start": 4240.12, "end": 4244.64, "text": " We thought that it had a couple more months of leeway." }, { "start": 4244.64, "end": 4246.2, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 4246.2, "end": 4248.64, "text": " I was going to say, the camera point is really good because" }, { "start": 4248.64, "end": 4252.28, "text": " that ultra pixel situation and the low light performance are" }, { "start": 4252.28, "end": 4254.2, "text": " so easy to demonstrate." }, { "start": 4254.2, "end": 4256.36, "text": " And they're so easy to promote." }, { "start": 4256.36, "end": 4260.84, "text": " You can trust carriers to just pimp them out in a very easy" }, { "start": 4260.84, "end": 4262.68, "text": " and approachable fashion, so long as the" }, { "start": 4262.68, "end": 4264.2, "text": " carrier's interested." }, { "start": 4264.2, "end": 4267.68, "text": " But the thing to me, when you think about the scale of" }, { "start": 4267.68, "end": 4272.52, "text": " Samsung's achievement with its marketing might, the freaking" }, { "start": 4272.52, "end": 4276.68, "text": " phone, when you unlock it, has water ripples." }, { "start": 4276.68, "end": 4281.68, "text": " And it makes these plunking noises." }, { "start": 4281.68, "end": 4284.56, "text": " You pick it up, and it acts." }, { "start": 4284.56, "end": 4286.6, "text": " It doesn't treat itself seriously." }, { "start": 4286.6, "end": 4289.04, "text": " It acts like a freaking child's toy." }, { "start": 4289.04, "end": 4293.92, "text": " And in spite of that, and in spite of junkyard things like" }, { "start": 4293.92, "end": 4301.4, "text": " smart stay and just nonsense features, it keeps succeeding." }, { "start": 4301.4, "end": 4303.4, "text": " So I don't know what to say." }, { "start": 4303.4, "end": 4306.4, "text": " It just makes me sad because I still continue to think that" }, { "start": 4306.4, "end": 4310, "text": " Android is the best smartphone software out there." }, { "start": 4310, "end": 4314.52, "text": " And watching these people just futting around and screwing" }, { "start": 4314.52, "end": 4317.16, "text": " with it and not doing a good job, even Sony." }, { "start": 4317.16, "end": 4319.52, "text": " I mean, Sony is generally restrained." }, { "start": 4319.52, "end": 4324.96, "text": " But then the Xperia Z or Z should have been out by now." }, { "start": 4324.96, "end": 4328.6, "text": " Because HTC might actually get the one out before the" }, { "start": 4328.6, "end": 4331.92, "text": " Xperia Z, and it already has a higher pixel density." }, { "start": 4331.92, "end": 4333.64, "text": " And it absolutely has a better display." }, { "start": 4333.64, "end": 4335.56, "text": " So what's the point in the Xperia Z?" }, { "start": 4335.56, "end": 4337.280000000001, "text": " Who cares about the Xperia Z today?" }, { "start": 4340.6, "end": 4340.96, "text": " Nobody." }, { "start": 4340.96, "end": 4344.280000000001, "text": " I mean, at this point, as far as Android is concerned, I" }, { "start": 4344.280000000001, "end": 4346.4400000000005, "text": " just kind of feel like I'm going to mute everything out" }, { "start": 4346.44, "end": 4356.639999999999, "text": " and just wait until May when the K-branded pastry comes" }, { "start": 4356.639999999999, "end": 4358.599999999999, "text": " out and we get a new beautiful Android." }, { "start": 4358.599999999999, "end": 4360.96, "text": " And we get the X phone, the Motorola X phone." }, { "start": 4360.96, "end": 4362.2, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 4363.719999999999, "end": 4364.759999999999, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 4364.759999999999, "end": 4365.4, "text": " I'll tell you what." }, { "start": 4365.4, "end": 4368.24, "text": " I'll step up to 4.5 inches for that device." }, { "start": 4368.24, "end": 4370.759999999999, "text": " I won't go all the way up to 4.7." }, { "start": 4370.759999999999, "end": 4374.839999999999, "text": " But if it's 4.5, I will spend actual money on it." }, { "start": 4374.839999999999, "end": 4376.08, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 4376.08, "end": 4378, "text": " I'm going to hold you to that." }, { "start": 4378, "end": 4379.4, "text": " What about you, Chris?" }, { "start": 4379.4, "end": 4381.84, "text": " What are you going to do?" }, { "start": 4381.84, "end": 4390.6, "text": " I think I'm going to hang on to the iPhone 5 and the Nexus 4" }, { "start": 4390.6, "end": 4392.92, "text": " at least until the GS4 announcement." }, { "start": 4392.92, "end": 4395.44, "text": " And then we'll take it from there." }, { "start": 4395.44, "end": 4397.76, "text": " But I mean, that's going to be easy for us all to do anyway," }, { "start": 4397.76, "end": 4401.5199999999995, "text": " because the one won't be out by then, which is exactly HTC's" }, { "start": 4401.5199999999995, "end": 4402.76, "text": " problem." }, { "start": 4402.76, "end": 4405.16, "text": " I don't want to talk about the Ubuntu phone." }, { "start": 4405.16, "end": 4406.360000000001, "text": " It's not shipping until 2014." }, { "start": 4406.360000000001, "end": 4409, "text": " We got a great report by Sean Hollister up on the site." }, { "start": 4409, "end": 4410.04, "text": " You should read it." }, { "start": 4410.04, "end": 4413.68, "text": " And the developer previews are coming very soon for Galaxy" }, { "start": 4413.68, "end": 4417.2, "text": " Nexus and the Nexus 4, so you can play around with it." }, { "start": 4417.2, "end": 4418.92, "text": " Go ahead, Chris." }, { "start": 4418.92, "end": 4422.08, "text": " Well, I do want to just mention one thing very briefly" }, { "start": 4422.08, "end": 4425.320000000001, "text": " about the Ubuntu mobile effort in general," }, { "start": 4425.320000000001, "end": 4429.88, "text": " which has me concerned, which is that they appear to be" }, { "start": 4429.88, "end": 4436.08, "text": " moving in some ways in the same direction as Tizen, where" }, { "start": 4436.08, "end": 4440.08, "text": " they're going to end up ceding a lot, if not all control of" }, { "start": 4440.08, "end": 4442.4800000000005, "text": " the platform to the carriers that are" }, { "start": 4442.4800000000005, "end": 4444.64, "text": " launching these devices." }, { "start": 4444.64, "end": 4449.64, "text": " And it's going to become more about branding these phones as" }, { "start": 4449.64, "end": 4453.24, "text": " carrier devices with very, very deep carrier, quote unquote," }, { "start": 4453.24, "end": 4458.32, "text": " experiences, and less about what they're going to be doing" }, { "start": 4458.32, "end": 4463.16, "text": " about a consistent Ubuntu experience across phones and" }, { "start": 4463.16, "end": 4464.28, "text": " across carriers." }, { "start": 4464.28, "end": 4466.24, "text": " And that's very scary." }, { "start": 4470.08, "end": 4471.5599999999995, "text": " But we'll see." }, { "start": 4471.5599999999995, "end": 4474.92, "text": " We have a long way to go until we know for sure how this is" }, { "start": 4474.92, "end": 4477.88, "text": " going to play out." }, { "start": 4477.88, "end": 4482.36, "text": " On that ridiculously depressing note, I want to" }, { "start": 4482.36, "end": 4482.759999999999, "text": " Oh, oh." }, { "start": 4482.759999999999, "end": 4485.4, "text": " Should we briefly mention what's going on next week?" }, { "start": 4485.4, "end": 4486.16, "text": " No." }, { "start": 4486.16, "end": 4487.36, "text": " Yes, we should, actually." }, { "start": 4487.36, "end": 4488.24, "text": " You're totally right." }, { "start": 4488.24, "end": 4490.5199999999995, "text": " We totally should." }, { "start": 4490.5199999999995, "end": 4493.719999999999, "text": " So next week is obviously, or maybe not so obvious to you," }, { "start": 4493.719999999999, "end": 4496.639999999999, "text": " but it's Mobile World Congress, starting on," }, { "start": 4496.639999999999, "end": 4499.36, "text": " essentially the event itself starts on Monday, but for us" }, { "start": 4499.36, "end": 4501.2, "text": " it starts on Sunday." }, { "start": 4501.2, "end": 4503.76, "text": " All four 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4530, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 4530, "end": 4530.84, "text": " I mean, here's the thing." }, { "start": 4530.84, "end": 4532.64, "text": " We never know when we're going to get back from events." }, { "start": 4532.64, "end": 4533.72, "text": " We never know when we're going to have time." }, { "start": 4533.72, "end": 4536.4400000000005, "text": " And we especially never know exactly what our bandwidth is" }, { "start": 4536.4400000000005, "end": 4537.24, "text": " going to be." }, { "start": 4537.24, "end": 4540.04, "text": " So if we can do a show, we will do a show." }, { "start": 4540.04, "end": 4541.68, "text": " And we'll endeavor to give you a heads up on" }, { "start": 4541.68, "end": 4543.04, "text": " when that show happens." }, { "start": 4543.04, "end": 4547.24, "text": " But follow Verge on Twitter for like, hey, we're" }, { "start": 4547.24, "end": 4549.16, "text": " broadcasting in five minutes because we feel like it," }, { "start": 4549.16, "end": 4551.56, "text": " because that could totally happen." }, { "start": 4551.56, "end": 4552.28, "text": " Pretty much." }, { "start": 4552.28, "end": 4556.32, "text": " But at the same time, rest assured that our textual," }, { "start": 4556.32, "end": 4559.92, "text": " photographic, and video output is not going to be diminished." }, { "start": 4559.92, "end": 4563.48, "text": " Because we're bringing out professional video producers" }, { "start": 4563.48, "end": 4566.24, "text": " who put the rest of us amateurs to absolute shame" }, { "start": 4566.24, "end": 4570.72, "text": " every single time and somehow make us look presentable." }, { "start": 4570.72, "end": 4575.4400000000005, "text": " Like for example, my wall isn't as yellow as it looks." }, { "start": 4575.4400000000005, "end": 4577.4800000000005, "text": " But it is actually really yellow." }, { "start": 4577.4800000000005, "end": 4579.56, "text": " So my webcam's white balance has been" }, { "start": 4579.56, "end": 4582.320000000001, "text": " broken the entire show." }, { "start": 4582.320000000001, "end": 4584.76, "text": " So I look kind of orange and weird." }, { "start": 4584.76, "end": 4587.84, "text": " And then the wall looks like it's painted with custard," }, { "start": 4587.84, "end": 4590.52, "text": " according to somebody on Twitter." }, { "start": 4590.52, "end": 4594.4400000000005, "text": " So we'll have a higher level of professionalism at MWC." }, { "start": 4594.4400000000005, "end": 4597.4400000000005, "text": " And we'll make sure not to miss anything." }, { "start": 4597.44, "end": 4601.08, "text": " Because that's a joke." }, { "start": 4601.08, "end": 4602.04, "text": " Yeah, it should be fun." }, { "start": 4602.04, "end": 4602.719999999999, "text": " I'm looking forward to it." }, { "start": 4602.719999999999, "end": 4605.36, "text": " And on that slightly more upbeat note." }, { "start": 4605.36, "end": 4606.32, "text": " Optimistic, upbeat note." }, { "start": 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4630.839999999999, "end": 4633.4, "text": " And we may or may not see you next week on the mobile show." }, { "start": 4633.4, "end": 4635.879999999999, "text": " But definitely watch for us covering MWC." }, { "start": 4635.879999999999, "end": 4638.16, "text": " And it's definitely going to be episode 35." }, { "start": 4638.16, "end": 4640.639999999999, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 4640.639999999999, "end": 4642.5199999999995, "text": " Thanks, guys." }, { "start": 4642.52, "end": 4671.280000000001, "text": " Bye." } ]

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"start": 129.56, "end": 147.16, "text": " Not convinced on the new sense just yet, but it is nice to have the standard home screen." } ]

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[ { "start": 0, "end": 5.78, "text": " It's Monday, February 18th, 2013. I'm Kali Schweitzer and it's always a good day to" }, { "start": 5.78, "end": 9.66, "text": " die hard. This is 90 seconds on the verge brought to you by Motorola." }, { "start": 9.66, "end": 14.74, "text": " Samsung will announce the Galaxy S4 next month. Samsung will be focusing on software rather" }, { "start": 14.74, "end": 19.86, "text": " than specs. Sources say the phone will provide a quote leap in cool new features well beyond" }, { "start": 19.86, "end": 24.44, "text": " its predecessor. Speaking of long awaited reveals, the studio behind Halo has unveiled" }, { "start": 24.44, "end": 29.82, "text": " its latest creation and it's called Destiny. According to developer Bungie, the new game" }, { "start": 29.82, "end": 34.8, "text": " is a mashup of first person shooters and massively multi-player online games, creating what it" }, { "start": 34.8, "end": 40.36, "text": " calls a quote, shared world shooter. Destiny takes place after a cataclysmic event nearly" }, { "start": 40.36, "end": 45.04, "text": " wipes out humanity. Players will assume the role of guardians for Earth's last remaining" }, { "start": 45.04, "end": 49.82, "text": " city. Bungie says it isn't planning to charge a subscription fee for the MMO features. And" }, { "start": 49.82, "end": 54.3, "text": " finally, more PlayStation 4 details are coming to light. The Wall Street Journal reports" }, { "start": 54.3, "end": 59.120000000000005, "text": " that Sony's new console will be able to stream games similar to how Netflix streams video." }, { "start": 59.12, "end": 64.02, "text": " The feature will allegedly be used for PlayStation 3 titles, providing backward compatibility" }, { "start": 64.02, "end": 68.7, "text": " despite the differences in hardware. Sony bought streaming game company, Gaikai, last" }, { "start": 68.7, "end": 73.36, "text": " year. The new console will reportedly provide better integration with social services like" }, { "start": 73.36, "end": 79.72, "text": " Facebook and Twitter as well. Excited? Us too. We'll be there live at Sony's big PlayStation" }, { "start": 79.72, "end": 85.2, "text": " event this Wednesday. And that's it for today's top stories. Coming up tomorrow, four score" }, { "start": 85.2, "end": 89.32000000000001, "text": " and eight years ago, what happened to the year that history forgot?" } ]

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going to start," }, { "start": 54.9, "end": 60.239999999999995, "text": " and right before we started, the computer that was on the display kernel panicked." }, { "start": 60.239999999999995, "end": 61.36, "text": " It was supposed to?" }, { "start": 61.36, "end": 62.36, "text": " It's part of the intro." }, { "start": 62.36, "end": 63.36, "text": " Oh, it's part of the intro?" }, { "start": 63.36, "end": 64.36, "text": " Oh, now I feel silly." }, { "start": 64.36, "end": 65.36, "text": " I was like, oh, no." }, { "start": 65.36, "end": 66.36, "text": " Like it starts happening." }, { "start": 66.36, "end": 71.36, "text": " Wait, that's part of the intro?" }, { "start": 71.36, "end": 72.52, "text": " Can they hear you?" }, { "start": 72.52, "end": 73.52, "text": " They can't hear you?" }, { "start": 73.52, "end": 74.52, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 74.52, "end": 75.52, "text": " Here, just go ahead." }, { "start": 75.52, "end": 76.52, "text": " Go ahead." }, { "start": 76.52, "end": 77.52, "text": " No, talk into the mic." }, { "start": 77.52, "end": 85.39999999999999, "text": " Oh, what?" }, { "start": 85.39999999999999, "end": 90.64, "text": " I'm loving this." }, { "start": 90.64, "end": 93, "text": " Is that a new addition to the intro animation?" }, { "start": 93, "end": 94, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 94, "end": 95.8, "text": " Who's a band that we should talk about more often?" }, { "start": 95.8, "end": 96.8, "text": " Who?" }, { "start": 96.8, "end": 97.8, "text": " New edition." }, { "start": 97.8, "end": 98.8, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 98.8, "end": 99.8, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 99.8, "end": 100.8, "text": " So we have a lot to talk about this week." }, { "start": 100.8, "end": 101.8, "text": " Neelai is out." }, { "start": 101.8, "end": 102.8, "text": " He is." }, { "start": 102.8, "end": 103.8, "text": " He is in Chicago." }, { "start": 103.8, "end": 104.8, "text": " No, he's in Chicago." }, { "start": 104.8, "end": 105.8, "text": " Yeah, why not?" }, { "start": 105.8, "end": 106.8, "text": " Neelai out." }, { "start": 106.8, "end": 107.8, "text": " Neelai out." }, { "start": 107.8, "end": 108.8, "text": " Let me tell you, Neelai out." }, { "start": 108.8, "end": 113.44, "text": " Miller in." }, { "start": 113.44, "end": 118.12, "text": " And there's a lot of interesting things to talk about." }, { "start": 118.12, "end": 120.12, "text": " I don't know how you want to lead." }, { "start": 120.12, "end": 121.47999999999999, "text": " I thought you were on a..." }, { "start": 121.47999999999999, "end": 123.47999999999999, "text": " What is going on here with this thing?" }, { "start": 123.47999999999999, "end": 124.47999999999999, "text": " Oh, no." }, { "start": 124.47999999999999, "end": 125.47999999999999, "text": " That's better." }, { "start": 125.47999999999999, "end": 126.47999999999999, "text": " Nice." }, { "start": 126.47999999999999, "end": 127.47999999999999, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 127.47999999999999, "end": 128.48, "text": " Nice." }, { "start": 128.48, "end": 129.48, "text": " You want to talk about what's coming up next week?" }, { "start": 129.48, "end": 130.48, "text": " Do you want to start with that?" }, { "start": 130.48, "end": 131.48, "text": " Or do you want to talk about news of the week?" }, { "start": 131.48, "end": 132.48, "text": " Do you want to talk about asteroids?" }, { "start": 132.48, "end": 133.48, "text": " Let's start with news of the week." }, { "start": 133.48, "end": 134.48, "text": " The rocks from the sky all over the place." }, { "start": 134.48, "end": 136.48, "text": " The shot looks a little weird on you guys." }, { "start": 136.48, "end": 137.64, "text": " It's a little high." }, { "start": 137.64, "end": 139.92, "text": " It's a little high and a little bit wide, if you ask me." }, { "start": 139.92, "end": 142.92, "text": " What's that black thing over there?" }, { "start": 142.92, "end": 144.72, "text": " Oh, yeah." }, { "start": 144.72, "end": 145.72, "text": " That move." }, { "start": 145.72, "end": 148.23999999999998, "text": " Has anybody ever actually done that move?" }, { "start": 148.23999999999998, "end": 149.72, "text": " Yes, but it never works." }, { "start": 149.72, "end": 150.72, "text": " Wait." }, { "start": 150.72, "end": 152.44, "text": " Are you saying you have?" }, { "start": 152.44, "end": 154.23999999999998, "text": " I mean, option C." }, { "start": 154.23999999999998, "end": 156.04, "text": " You said yes, but it never works." }, { "start": 156.04, "end": 157.04, "text": " It never works." }, { "start": 157.04, "end": 159.56, "text": " That sounds like I don't know where you're getting that data." }, { "start": 159.56, "end": 160.56, "text": " I mean, I'm talking personal." }, { "start": 160.56, "end": 161.56, "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "start": 161.56, "end": 163.67999999999998, "text": " I'm getting real talk here." }, { "start": 163.67999999999998, "end": 165.16, "text": " So start us off, Ross." }, { "start": 165.16, "end": 166.16, "text": " Okay, let's start." }, { "start": 166.16, "end": 167.16, "text": " Rocks falling from the sky." }, { "start": 167.16, "end": 168.84, "text": " We had two incidents of space today." }, { "start": 168.84, "end": 173.12, "text": " I feel like you're really downplaying when you say rocks falling from the sky." }, { "start": 173.12, "end": 175.4, "text": " It sounds very, you know, oh, okay." }, { "start": 175.4, "end": 177.92, "text": " I don't want to downplay it because one is actually very serious." }, { "start": 177.92, "end": 180.51999999999998, "text": " Let's talk about that one first." }, { "start": 180.51999999999998, "end": 182.16, "text": " There was this giant meteor." }, { "start": 182.16, "end": 183.6, "text": " It was about 10 tons." }, { "start": 183.6, "end": 187.16, "text": " It's small in terms of meteors, but it's giant in terms of like humans." }, { "start": 187.16, "end": 188.16, "text": " In terms of things." }, { "start": 188.16, "end": 189.16, "text": " Yeah, in terms of things." }, { "start": 189.16, "end": 192.28, "text": " It fell from the sky over Russia, the region of Ural Mountains." }, { "start": 192.28, "end": 194.16, "text": " I don't think I'm saying that right." }, { "start": 194.16, "end": 198.68, "text": " But anyway, last count, 1200 people have been injured by this." }, { "start": 198.68, "end": 199.68, "text": " What kind of injuries are they?" }, { "start": 199.68, "end": 200.68, "text": " Like I got hit?" }, { "start": 200.68, "end": 201.68, "text": " So like hit a town?" }, { "start": 201.68, "end": 202.68, "text": " Mostly shattered glass." }, { "start": 202.68, "end": 203.68, "text": " Like there's been no reported deaths yet." }, { "start": 203.68, "end": 206.2, "text": " I think what happened is it hit, it didn't hit a thing, did it?" }, { "start": 206.2, "end": 207.8, "text": " I don't know where it landed exactly." }, { "start": 207.8, "end": 211, "text": " Is it maybe the reverberations?" }, { "start": 211, "end": 212.88, "text": " Here's a video of it, which is scary by the way." }, { "start": 212.88, "end": 214.12, "text": " This is from a Russian dash cam." }, { "start": 214.12, "end": 216.68, "text": " You were driving and this thing just came across." }, { "start": 216.68, "end": 219.04, "text": " I was kind of like, well, they probably see stuff like this in Russia all the time." }, { "start": 219.04, "end": 221.8, "text": " So yeah, I was talking to a producer, John, before this." }, { "start": 221.8, "end": 224.52, "text": " And like you know, when you watch all these videos, which by the way are insane." }, { "start": 224.52, "end": 228.32000000000002, "text": " I mean, this looks like, this seriously looks like a scene from." }, { "start": 228.32000000000002, "end": 229.32000000000002, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 229.32000000000002, "end": 230.32000000000002, "text": " Oh, this one's crazy." }, { "start": 230.32000000000002, "end": 233.56, "text": " So this is actually, wow." }, { "start": 233.56, "end": 234.56, "text": " Look at the shadow." }, { "start": 234.56, "end": 236.48000000000002, "text": " Holy crap." }, { "start": 236.48000000000002, "end": 238.60000000000002, "text": " And notice none of the cars are really stopping." }, { "start": 238.60000000000002, "end": 240.24, "text": " Like it does not phase them at all." }, { "start": 240.24, "end": 242.24, "text": " Well, I mean, they don't, what are they going to do?" }, { "start": 242.24, "end": 243.24, "text": " Stop." }, { "start": 243.24, "end": 244.24, "text": " But this is." }, { "start": 244.24, "end": 245.24, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 245.24, "end": 246.24, "text": " If a giant like a flashing." }, { "start": 246.24, "end": 249.56, "text": " I'm saying maybe in Russia this is not that uncommon." }, { "start": 249.56, "end": 251.92000000000002, "text": " You know, like we don't know for sure." }, { "start": 251.92000000000002, "end": 253.48, "text": " This is the 10 a.m. meteorite." }, { "start": 253.48, "end": 254.48, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 254.48, "end": 255.48, "text": " I mean, there's people walking very casually." }, { "start": 255.48, "end": 259.96, "text": " I don't seem to have any, but, but this looks like something from war of the worlds." }, { "start": 259.96, "end": 260.96, "text": " It does." }, { "start": 260.96, "end": 261.96, "text": " The new one." }, { "start": 261.96, "end": 262.96, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 262.96, "end": 263.96, "text": " With Tom Cruise." }, { "start": 263.96, "end": 264.96, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 264.96, "end": 265.96, "text": " Are those car alarms?" }, { "start": 265.96, "end": 266.96, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 266.96, "end": 270.6, "text": " So it sent off a ton of car alarms and broke, shattered a lot of glass." }, { "start": 270.6, "end": 271.6, "text": " There's this one picture." }, { "start": 271.6, "end": 272.6, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 272.6, "end": 275.36, "text": " This is just so crazy." }, { "start": 275.36, "end": 277.76, "text": " This is totally frightening and insane." }, { "start": 277.76, "end": 279.59999999999997, "text": " When did this happen?" }, { "start": 279.59999999999997, "end": 280.59999999999997, "text": " This happened last night." }, { "start": 280.59999999999997, "end": 281.59999999999997, "text": " This morning." }, { "start": 281.59999999999997, "end": 282.59999999999997, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 282.59999999999997, "end": 283.59999999999997, "text": " This morning last night." }, { "start": 283.59999999999997, "end": 286.64, "text": " I mean, it depends on what part in part, what clearly it happened during the day in Russia," }, { "start": 286.64, "end": 290.24, "text": " but it was nighttime in America." }, { "start": 290.24, "end": 293.44, "text": " And so anyhow, it's, it's pretty scary." }, { "start": 293.44, "end": 298.38, "text": " Do we, do we have any reason to suspect, is there any evidence that this is a planned," }, { "start": 298.38, "end": 301.38, "text": " you know, first strike from an alien intelligence?" }, { "start": 301.38, "end": 304.68, "text": " That depends on how you classify a meteor da 14." }, { "start": 304.68, "end": 306.24, "text": " Is it an actual entity?" }, { "start": 306.24, "end": 309.88, "text": " It's a little odd if you ask me that it just happened to hit planet earth." }, { "start": 309.88, "end": 310.88, "text": " Like a scout ship." }, { "start": 310.88, "end": 314.40000000000003, "text": " I'm just saying what's where, what's at the end of the meteor trail?" }, { "start": 314.40000000000003, "end": 315.76, "text": " Do we know yet?" }, { "start": 315.76, "end": 316.76, "text": " A pot of gold?" }, { "start": 316.76, "end": 327.08, "text": " I mean, I don't think I'm thinking more like a critter, a space critter, space critter," }, { "start": 327.08, "end": 332.44, "text": " just chucking, chucking meteors or like a gremlin that, well it was after midnight." }, { "start": 332.44, "end": 334, "text": " Something clearly got fed." }, { "start": 334, "end": 336.28, "text": " It's always after midnight somewhere." }, { "start": 336.28, "end": 337.28, "text": " That's true." }, { "start": 337.28, "end": 345.24, "text": " Isn't there another big like, um, meteor headed, like the other one, that's like 17,000 miles" }, { "start": 345.24, "end": 346.24, "text": " or something." }, { "start": 346.24, "end": 347.24, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 347.24, "end": 348.24, "text": " 17,200 miles." }, { "start": 348.24, "end": 351.72, "text": " That is I think happening right now or just happened starting around like two o'clock." }, { "start": 351.72, "end": 352.72, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 352.72, "end": 355.48, "text": " If this ends, if this ends, we're all dead." }, { "start": 355.48, "end": 357.36, "text": " And I also mean you who's watching." }, { "start": 357.36, "end": 361.8, "text": " So is this, is this thing, um, the one that's passing now, and by the way, I don't, and" }, { "start": 361.8, "end": 365.40000000000003, "text": " I don't claim to be an expert on, uh, space objects." }, { "start": 365.40000000000003, "end": 366.40000000000003, "text": " Hmm." }, { "start": 366.40000000000003, "end": 367.40000000000003, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 367.40000000000003, "end": 368.40000000000003, "text": " Is it, is it big enough if it hit us?" }, { "start": 368.40000000000003, "end": 370.16, "text": " Would it, would it destroy the world?" }, { "start": 370.16, "end": 373.52000000000004, "text": " As far as, like, I'm not an expert either, but it sounds scary enough that it will." }, { "start": 373.52000000000004, "end": 375.36, "text": " But I mean, you tell me you've read the reports." }, { "start": 375.36, "end": 377.96000000000004, "text": " Are we, are we, we're not at risk anytime soon." }, { "start": 377.96000000000004, "end": 383.8, "text": " I know we're not at risk, but I'm saying if it were to somehow go off course, um, if it" }, { "start": 383.8, "end": 386.2, "text": " somehow went off course, then yes, we'd be proper." }, { "start": 386.2, "end": 387.76, "text": " Now that shot looks too low to me." }, { "start": 387.76, "end": 388.76, "text": " Hold on." }, { "start": 388.76, "end": 389.76, "text": " Let me slow it." }, { "start": 389.76, "end": 390.76, "text": " It's a little bit better." }, { "start": 390.76, "end": 391.76, "text": " It's a little bit better." }, { "start": 391.76, "end": 393.12, "text": " I mean, I don't want to go into the detail, tell him the table." }, { "start": 393.12, "end": 395.8, "text": " Do you, I actually sat up this would be in a lot of trouble." }, { "start": 395.8, "end": 396.8, "text": " Yeah, please don't." }, { "start": 396.8, "end": 397.8, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 397.8, "end": 399.32, "text": " Michael's going to fix it." }, { "start": 399.32, "end": 400.32, "text": " My shots also off center." }, { "start": 400.32, "end": 401.32, "text": " Am I crazy?" }, { "start": 401.32, "end": 404.52, "text": " No, you're just, your whole body is disproportionate." }, { "start": 404.52, "end": 405.52, "text": " Your whole body is disproportionate." }, { "start": 405.52, "end": 410.8, "text": " According to Michael, Michael said my whole body is disproportionate, which I think the" }, { "start": 410.8, "end": 411.8, "text": " word is disproportionate." }, { "start": 411.8, "end": 418, "text": " I mean, maybe disproportionate is also, I think, no, things, things are disproportionate" }, { "start": 418, "end": 419, "text": " to each other." }, { "start": 419, "end": 420, "text": " It's times like this." }, { "start": 420, "end": 421, "text": " I really feel for the listener." }, { "start": 421, "end": 425.08, "text": " I really think, why did you turn this on?" }, { "start": 425.08, "end": 426.08, "text": " Why are you listening to this?" }, { "start": 426.08, "end": 435.44, "text": " What sort of self destructive behavior are you engaging in by constantly listening to" }, { "start": 435.44, "end": 436.84, "text": " the verge cast?" }, { "start": 436.84, "end": 439.98, "text": " So it's not, it's not like self hurting." }, { "start": 439.98, "end": 442.16, "text": " It is actually self destruction." }, { "start": 442.16, "end": 443.24, "text": " It's a meteor." }, { "start": 443.24, "end": 444.8, "text": " It's a meteor landing in your soul." }, { "start": 444.8, "end": 446.88, "text": " It's proportional self destruction." }, { "start": 446.88, "end": 452.52, "text": " It is 10 tons of pain that is impacting into your soul and your brain." }, { "start": 452.52, "end": 453.52, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 453.52, "end": 454.52, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 454.52, "end": 455.52, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 455.52, "end": 456.52, "text": " And there's, there can be no recovery." }, { "start": 456.52, "end": 457.52, "text": " So we're clear." }, { "start": 457.52, "end": 458.52, "text": " So we're clear." }, { "start": 458.52, "end": 460.04, "text": " I can't find, I distinctly recall this, the internet's actually just really bad right" }, { "start": 460.04, "end": 461.04, "text": " now." }, { "start": 461.04, "end": 464.15999999999997, "text": " I distinctly recall Neil deGrasse Tyson tweeting today that it will, this asteroid will hit" }, { "start": 464.15999999999997, "end": 465.15999999999997, "text": " us eventually." }, { "start": 465.15999999999997, "end": 466.15999999999997, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 466.15999999999997, "end": 467.15999999999997, "text": " Not yet." }, { "start": 467.15999999999997, "end": 468.15999999999997, "text": " Not anytime soon." }, { "start": 468.15999999999997, "end": 469.15999999999997, "text": " It's coming back around." }, { "start": 469.15999999999997, "end": 470.15999999999997, "text": " It's coming back around again." }, { "start": 470.15999999999997, "end": 471.15999999999997, "text": " It's the bull's on parade." }, { "start": 471.15999999999997, "end": 473.36, "text": " What goes around comes around." }, { "start": 473.36, "end": 475.92, "text": " And it probably will destroy all life when it hits." }, { "start": 475.92, "end": 478.52000000000004, "text": " I didn't see this for a life thing, but it's going to hit us." }, { "start": 478.52000000000004, "end": 480.12, "text": " You know, like huge rock." }, { "start": 480.12, "end": 486.96000000000004, "text": " Real, real good science is convinced that the fix, like we are going to have to develop" }, { "start": 486.96000000000004, "end": 493.20000000000005, "text": " the Armageddon solution of a Bruce Willis planting a nuke inside of an asteroid before" }, { "start": 493.20000000000005, "end": 494.20000000000005, "text": " too long." }, { "start": 494.20000000000005, "end": 495.20000000000005, "text": " Can I be honest?" }, { "start": 495.20000000000005, "end": 497, "text": " And I'm not going to spoil anything, but I did see Die Hard last night." }, { "start": 497, "end": 498, "text": " Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa." }, { "start": 498, "end": 499, "text": " I'm not going to say anything." }, { "start": 499, "end": 500, "text": " Wait, the new Die Hard?" }, { "start": 500, "end": 501, "text": " The new Die Hard." }, { "start": 501, "end": 502, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 502, "end": 503, "text": " That was my Valentine's." }, { "start": 503, "end": 504, "text": " Yippee ki yay, Mother Russia." }, { "start": 504, "end": 505, "text": " Yippee ki yay, Mother Russia." }, { "start": 505, "end": 506, "text": " That's what I've never said in the movie." }, { "start": 506, "end": 507, "text": " I should have done that." }, { "start": 507, "end": 508, "text": " I will spoil that." }, { "start": 508, "end": 509, "text": " It is terrible." }, { "start": 509, "end": 510, "text": " I mean, it is a real, it made me." }, { "start": 510, "end": 511, "text": " How bad is the movie?" }, { "start": 511, "end": 516, "text": " The people I went with said basically said it made Die Hard for a much better movie." }, { "start": 516, "end": 517, "text": " Oh, wow." }, { "start": 517, "end": 518, "text": " You know what?" }, { "start": 518, "end": 519, "text": " I love that trailer." }, { "start": 519, "end": 520, "text": " I really enjoyed the trailer." }, { "start": 520, "end": 521, "text": " Are you kidding me?" }, { "start": 521, "end": 523.2, "text": " Cause it's got that song, that Christmas song." }, { "start": 523.2, "end": 524.68, "text": " I think it's a terrible trailer." }, { "start": 524.68, "end": 526.88, "text": " I have to say now I'm a bit of a trailer buff." }, { "start": 526.88, "end": 527.88, "text": " I know." }, { "start": 527.88, "end": 528.88, "text": " Just a little bit." }, { "start": 528.88, "end": 529.88, "text": " Have I talked about this a lot?" }, { "start": 529.88, "end": 530.88, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 530.88, "end": 535.4399999999999, "text": " No, you had that site that you were going to review trailers." }, { "start": 535.4399999999999, "end": 536.4399999999999, "text": " Film trailer reviews." }, { "start": 536.4399999999999, "end": 537.92, "text": " You reviewed like three of them." }, { "start": 537.92, "end": 541.52, "text": " I was like, I can't wait for the next Joshua Topolsky hippie." }, { "start": 541.52, "end": 543.96, "text": " Well, it's like how many jobs can a man do?" }, { "start": 543.96, "end": 547.28, "text": " I gotta just narrow it down." }, { "start": 547.28, "end": 548.28, "text": " But anyways." }, { "start": 548.28, "end": 550.4399999999999, "text": " I thought the Die Hard trailer was not very good." }, { "start": 550.4399999999999, "end": 553.04, "text": " My point is, I wouldn't count on Bruce Willis anymore." }, { "start": 553.04, "end": 554.04, "text": " But it's emotional." }, { "start": 554.04, "end": 555.04, "text": " Ever." }, { "start": 555.04, "end": 556.04, "text": " You don't like him?" }, { "start": 556.04, "end": 557.04, "text": " Bruce Willis is fine." }, { "start": 557.04, "end": 558.04, "text": " He's not playing the right role." }, { "start": 558.04, "end": 559.04, "text": " How about Looper?" }, { "start": 559.04, "end": 560.08, "text": " He's not an action hero anymore." }, { "start": 560.08, "end": 561.08, "text": " He needs to find some new..." }, { "start": 561.08, "end": 562.08, "text": " He was good in Looper." }, { "start": 562.08, "end": 563.08, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 563.08, "end": 564.08, "text": " He was good in Looper." }, { "start": 564.08, "end": 565.48, "text": " It was a little less of him being an action hero." }, { "start": 565.48, "end": 566.48, "text": " He was kind of a villain." }, { "start": 566.48, "end": 567.96, "text": " I don't want to ruin it for anybody." }, { "start": 567.96, "end": 569.6800000000001, "text": " And in Sin City, he was like the deadbeat cop." }, { "start": 569.6800000000001, "end": 570.6800000000001, "text": " He wasn't an action star." }, { "start": 570.6800000000001, "end": 571.6800000000001, "text": " No, he was great." }, { "start": 571.6800000000001, "end": 572.6800000000001, "text": " He was great in Sin City." }, { "start": 572.6800000000001, "end": 574.0400000000001, "text": " That's the kind of guy he needs to be playing." }, { "start": 574.0400000000001, "end": 580.1800000000001, "text": " My problem with Bruce Willis is that I saw a ton of his different roles before I saw" }, { "start": 580.1800000000001, "end": 581.5600000000001, "text": " Die Hard." }, { "start": 581.5600000000001, "end": 582.5600000000001, "text": " And I just realized..." }, { "start": 582.5600000000001, "end": 587.2800000000001, "text": " Because all of his roles were either like, oh, isn't it funny that he's this hit man," }, { "start": 587.2800000000001, "end": 588.2800000000001, "text": " but he's funny?" }, { "start": 588.2800000000001, "end": 589.2800000000001, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 589.28, "end": 590.28, "text": " He's a nine-yard." }, { "start": 590.28, "end": 591.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 591.28, "end": 592.28, "text": " Or he's a hit man." }, { "start": 592.28, "end": 593.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 593.28, "end": 595.72, "text": " But all he was doing was just playing off of that Die Hard persona." }, { "start": 595.72, "end": 596.72, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 596.72, "end": 600.12, "text": " Well, I think it's tough to argue that Bruce Willis's finest..." }, { "start": 600.12, "end": 602.56, "text": " Maybe his finest performance ever is Pulp Fiction." }, { "start": 602.56, "end": 608.9599999999999, "text": " I mean, it's pretty hard to see that and not think this is the best thing that Bruce Willis" }, { "start": 608.9599999999999, "end": 611.28, "text": " has ever done and maybe will ever do." }, { "start": 611.28, "end": 612.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 612.28, "end": 613.28, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 613.28, "end": 614.28, "text": " I feel the same way about Travolta." }, { "start": 614.28, "end": 615.28, "text": " I love Pulp Fiction." }, { "start": 615.28, "end": 616.76, "text": " I don't think it's Bruce Willis's best movie though." }, { "start": 616.76, "end": 618, "text": " I would say Die Hard won." }, { "start": 618, "end": 619.4, "text": " Die Hard is a great movie." }, { "start": 619.4, "end": 621.16, "text": " But it's not Bruce Willis's best movie." }, { "start": 621.16, "end": 624.72, "text": " He's a great action hero in that movie and he's very funny and very charismatic and" }, { "start": 624.72, "end": 626.16, "text": " it's exciting." }, { "start": 626.16, "end": 631.5, "text": " But I think in terms of showing his range and his depth as an actor, I think that he's" }, { "start": 631.5, "end": 632.5, "text": " just amazing." }, { "start": 632.5, "end": 633.72, "text": " See, that's where we never..." }, { "start": 633.72, "end": 635.2, "text": " I don't want to see Bruce Willis's range." }, { "start": 635.2, "end": 636.84, "text": " I want to see him hold a gun and shoot people." }, { "start": 636.84, "end": 637.88, "text": " See, that's so boring." }, { "start": 637.88, "end": 638.88, "text": " That's like some old stuff." }, { "start": 638.88, "end": 640.56, "text": " That's like Schwarzenegger." }, { "start": 640.56, "end": 642.6, "text": " What's Schwarzenegger's best movie?" }, { "start": 642.6, "end": 646.16, "text": " He's got a lot of good movies, but I think he's amazing in Twins." }, { "start": 646.16, "end": 650.04, "text": " I don't think it's his best movie, but I think that as an actor, he really shows some of" }, { "start": 650.04, "end": 651.04, "text": " his range in Twins." }, { "start": 651.04, "end": 652.04, "text": " Which one's Twins?" }, { "start": 652.04, "end": 653.7199999999999, "text": " The one where he's Twins with Danny DeVito." }, { "start": 653.7199999999999, "end": 656.28, "text": " Didn't they also do Junior together?" }, { "start": 656.28, "end": 657.28, "text": " The one where he's having a baby?" }, { "start": 657.28, "end": 658.28, "text": " Yeah, that's what I see." }, { "start": 658.28, "end": 659.28, "text": " Yeah, yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 659.28, "end": 660.28, "text": " That's what I've seen that one." }, { "start": 660.28, "end": 661.28, "text": " But Schwarzenegger is..." }, { "start": 661.28, "end": 662.52, "text": " Look, he's incredible in Commando." }, { "start": 662.52, "end": 665.24, "text": " He's astounding in all of the Terminator films." }, { "start": 665.24, "end": 669.68, "text": " By the way, the third is my favorite, as I'm sure many of you know." }, { "start": 669.68, "end": 674.3199999999999, "text": " He is dynamic in Predator." }, { "start": 674.32, "end": 676.24, "text": " And Lest We Forget, Jingle All The Way." }, { "start": 676.24, "end": 677.6, "text": " One of the best Christmas movies of all time." }, { "start": 677.6, "end": 681.0400000000001, "text": " But I think that the funny thing about Schwarzenegger is when you see him do comedy, you get a sense" }, { "start": 681.0400000000001, "end": 683.24, "text": " of his range, which is..." }, { "start": 683.24, "end": 684.7, "text": " You didn't expect that guy to be funny." }, { "start": 684.7, "end": 688.96, "text": " You just like seeing people somewhat out of their element, like Jim Carrey doing drama." }, { "start": 688.96, "end": 691.9200000000001, "text": " And I love people when they slip on toys." }, { "start": 691.9200000000001, "end": 701.32, "text": " I love any situation where Sinbad sets up a toy booby trap for you, and you're on the" }, { "start": 701.32, "end": 704.5200000000001, "text": " floor and you're like, Sinbad, like Arnold Schwarzenegger." }, { "start": 704.5200000000001, "end": 705.5200000000001, "text": " Yeah, I did." }, { "start": 705.5200000000001, "end": 707.4000000000001, "text": " Did you go on a date?" }, { "start": 707.4000000000001, "end": 714.08, "text": " I bought Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part Two, and I watched it." }, { "start": 714.08, "end": 715.08, "text": " By yourself?" }, { "start": 715.08, "end": 716.08, "text": " On a Blu-ray by myself." }, { "start": 716.08, "end": 717.08, "text": " Pretty awesome, though." }, { "start": 717.08, "end": 722.5200000000001, "text": " But I also had a glass of wine with some friends at my local..." }, { "start": 722.5200000000001, "end": 723.5200000000001, "text": " Haunt?" }, { "start": 723.5200000000001, "end": 725.8800000000001, "text": " Yeah, my local sandwich." }, { "start": 725.88, "end": 731.4, "text": " Was that like a...What do you call it?" }, { "start": 731.4, "end": 732.4, "text": " Lonely Hearts Club?" }, { "start": 732.4, "end": 733.4, "text": " A little bit." }, { "start": 733.4, "end": 734.4, "text": " Yeah?" }, { "start": 734.4, "end": 738.04, "text": " Like everybody who was single met up to have a drink?" }, { "start": 738.04, "end": 739.48, "text": " Well, no." }, { "start": 739.48, "end": 744, "text": " Is everybody whose girlfriend or boyfriend was currently occupied but they'd hang out" }, { "start": 744, "end": 745, "text": " with later that night?" }, { "start": 745, "end": 746, "text": " Oh, right." }, { "start": 746, "end": 747, "text": " That was that sort of..." }, { "start": 747, "end": 748, "text": " And Ross?" }, { "start": 748, "end": 749.32, "text": " Yeah, so it was a pretty low-key night." }, { "start": 749.32, "end": 753.04, "text": " My girlfriend and I, we ordered a bunch of burgers from Schnipper's, like four or five" }, { "start": 753.04, "end": 754.04, "text": " burgers and just..." }, { "start": 754.04, "end": 755.8, "text": " That seems like an excessive amount of hamburgers." }, { "start": 755.8, "end": 756.8, "text": " It was a very delicious meal." }, { "start": 756.8, "end": 757.8, "text": " Is that the thing?" }, { "start": 757.8, "end": 759.4799999999999, "text": " It was like, you know what we're gonna do for Valentine's Day?" }, { "start": 759.4799999999999, "end": 761.5999999999999, "text": " We're gonna get super-duper sick on hamburgers." }, { "start": 761.5999999999999, "end": 764.52, "text": " Yes, hamburgers, wine, and then we're gonna go see Die Hard." }, { "start": 764.52, "end": 765.52, "text": " Oh, hamburgers and wine?" }, { "start": 765.52, "end": 766.52, "text": " Hamburgers, wine, and Die Hard." }, { "start": 766.52, "end": 771.28, "text": " That to me is like, we're gonna have two hamburgers each and some red wine and then projectile" }, { "start": 771.28, "end": 774.24, "text": " vomit on the audience at Die Hard 4 or 5." }, { "start": 774.24, "end": 775.76, "text": " Had that happened, it would have been much better." }, { "start": 775.76, "end": 777.12, "text": " It is Die Hard 5, isn't it?" }, { "start": 777.12, "end": 778.12, "text": " Yes, it's 5." }, { "start": 778.12, "end": 779.12, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 779.12, "end": 780.1999999999999, "text": " I feel a little nauseous just thinking about it." }, { "start": 780.1999999999999, "end": 784.56, "text": " I will say, as bad as the movie was, having burgers and wine beforehand made it a much" }, { "start": 784.56, "end": 785.56, "text": " more satisfying experience." }, { "start": 785.56, "end": 786.56, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 786.56, "end": 787.56, "text": " Oh, yeah." }, { "start": 787.56, "end": 788.56, "text": " I can see that." }, { "start": 788.56, "end": 789.56, "text": " Schnippers is great." }, { "start": 789.56, "end": 790.56, "text": " Here's the thing." }, { "start": 790.56, "end": 791.56, "text": " After you've had burgers and wine, do you still get snacks at the movie theater?" }, { "start": 791.56, "end": 796.0799999999999, "text": " All right, we should talk about, I hate to cut you off, but we should talk about what" }, { "start": 796.0799999999999, "end": 797.0799999999999, "text": " happened in the news." }, { "start": 797.0799999999999, "end": 798.0799999999999, "text": " We talked about asteroids." }, { "start": 798.0799999999999, "end": 799.0799999999999, "text": " We didn't really cover them in a great way." }, { "start": 799.0799999999999, "end": 800.92, "text": " So we went from asteroids to Bruce Willis." }, { "start": 800.92, "end": 803.52, "text": " Though speaking of old actors, probably past their prime." }, { "start": 803.52, "end": 804.52, "text": " It's a segue." }, { "start": 804.52, "end": 806.8, "text": " Yes, the rumor has it Harrison Ford is coming back for Star Wars." }, { "start": 806.8, "end": 810.92, "text": " So we wrote about this." }, { "start": 810.92, "end": 811.92, "text": " This isn't surprising." }, { "start": 811.92, "end": 812.92, "text": " We were talking about this before." }, { "start": 812.92, "end": 818.4399999999999, "text": " JJ Abrams brought back Leonard Nimoy for, I hope, spoiler alert, brought back Leonard" }, { "start": 818.4399999999999, "end": 822.4, "text": " Nimoy for, he's in the first scene though, so you shouldn't be that surprised, of the" }, { "start": 822.4, "end": 826.92, "text": " last Star Trek movie, the last first new Star Trek movie." }, { "start": 826.92, "end": 830.24, "text": " So it doesn't surprise me that he'd be bringing back some of the old Star Wars crew." }, { "start": 830.24, "end": 832.74, "text": " And what else does Harrison Ford have to do?" }, { "start": 832.74, "end": 837.24, "text": " But what is, besides all of the other stuff that he's doing, like tending to his farm" }, { "start": 837.24, "end": 839.24, "text": " or hanging out with Callista Flaught-Card?" }, { "start": 839.24, "end": 840.24, "text": " He has a farm." }, { "start": 840.24, "end": 843.6800000000001, "text": " He's been an awesome old dude with an earring, like any of those things." }, { "start": 843.6800000000001, "end": 844.6800000000001, "text": " He has an earring?" }, { "start": 844.6800000000001, "end": 845.6800000000001, "text": " Yeah, you didn't know that?" }, { "start": 845.6800000000001, "end": 847.24, "text": " Harrison Ford has a totally awesome earring." }, { "start": 847.24, "end": 848.24, "text": " Since when?" }, { "start": 848.24, "end": 849.24, "text": " Since like five years ago." }, { "start": 849.24, "end": 850.24, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 850.24, "end": 851.24, "text": " Yeah, he's had it for a while." }, { "start": 851.24, "end": 852.88, "text": " This is a random, he's like, I'm going to get an earring because I'm an old guy." }, { "start": 852.88, "end": 854.92, "text": " I never see stories about Harrison Ford." }, { "start": 854.92, "end": 855.92, "text": " I just assume he was-" }, { "start": 855.92, "end": 859.24, "text": " Can we get a photo of Harrison Ford with his earring, please?" }, { "start": 859.24, "end": 860.24, "text": " Just look, Harrison Ford earring." }, { "start": 860.24, "end": 862.72, "text": " Yeah, yeah, it's not going to be hard to find because everybody was talking about it when" }, { "start": 862.72, "end": 865.4, "text": " he got it, except for Paul Miller." }, { "start": 865.4, "end": 867.02, "text": " But here's the question." }, { "start": 867.02, "end": 870.88, "text": " So what is the next, do we know anything about the next Star Wars movie?" }, { "start": 870.88, "end": 873.4399999999999, "text": " About what the plot is, what the setting is, who the characters are?" }, { "start": 873.4399999999999, "end": 876.84, "text": " Well, we know potentially now, well, we don't know, but it's rumored Han Solo is going to" }, { "start": 876.84, "end": 877.84, "text": " be in some capacity." }, { "start": 877.84, "end": 879.68, "text": " He could appear as a ghost, like we don't know." }, { "start": 879.68, "end": 880.68, "text": " He could be the ghost." }, { "start": 880.68, "end": 881.68, "text": " He could be looking-" }, { "start": 881.68, "end": 882.68, "text": " They haven't written a script, right?" }, { "start": 882.68, "end": 883.68, "text": " No, but they're based on, there's a canon of books that-" }, { "start": 883.68, "end": 885.16, "text": " No, so that's one thing." }, { "start": 885.16, "end": 886.64, "text": " We know what it's not going to be about." }, { "start": 886.64, "end": 890.52, "text": " And they've already said they don't care about this extended universe canon." }, { "start": 890.52, "end": 891.52, "text": " They'll throw the books away." }, { "start": 891.52, "end": 894, "text": " So you're telling me that they're going to say like, we don't care about all the books" }, { "start": 894, "end": 895, "text": " that have been written." }, { "start": 895, "end": 896, "text": " We don't care about-" }, { "start": 896, "end": 897, "text": " We don't care about the Clone Wars." }, { "start": 897, "end": 898, "text": " Fans." }, { "start": 898, "end": 899.44, "text": " No, they care about film canon." }, { "start": 899.44, "end": 900.68, "text": " They don't care about the book canon." }, { "start": 900.68, "end": 904.52, "text": " But that Clone Wars stuff, isn't that based on some of the stuff that happens in the book?" }, { "start": 904.52, "end": 905.52, "text": " There it is right there." }, { "start": 905.52, "end": 910.6, "text": " I don't know how scratch that is, but not the best picture, but you get a clearer photo" }, { "start": 910.6, "end": 911.6, "text": " of that." }, { "start": 911.6, "end": 912.6, "text": " Oh, wow." }, { "start": 912.6, "end": 914.84, "text": " But maybe I should get an earring." }, { "start": 914.84, "end": 915.84, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 915.84, "end": 917.2, "text": " Well, a lot of the Clone Wars canon is also-" }, { "start": 917.2, "end": 918.2, "text": " Mayhem, Faris, and Ford's doing it." }, { "start": 918.2, "end": 919.2, "text": " That's true." }, { "start": 919.2, "end": 921.2, "text": " A lot of the Clone Wars stuff is like in the prequels." }, { "start": 921.2, "end": 922.76, "text": " Like that's the canon for it." }, { "start": 922.76, "end": 924.12, "text": " Timothy Zahn's stuff was like what happened after the census." }, { "start": 924.12, "end": 928.32, "text": " The prequels were made after the books were written." }, { "start": 928.32, "end": 931.6, "text": " Are we really talking about like Star Wars, like living up to this like discrete-" }, { "start": 931.6, "end": 935.04, "text": " I'm going to say, okay, so we don't know anything about what Abrams is going to do." }, { "start": 935.04, "end": 937.36, "text": " I have never read a Star Trek book." }, { "start": 937.36, "end": 938.36, "text": " Look at that." }, { "start": 938.36, "end": 939.36, "text": " That's crazy." }, { "start": 939.36, "end": 940.36, "text": " A Star Wars book." }, { "start": 940.36, "end": 941.36, "text": " Look at that earring." }, { "start": 941.36, "end": 942.36, "text": " I can't look at it." }, { "start": 942.36, "end": 944.24, "text": " I'll look at it in a couple months." }, { "start": 944.24, "end": 947.04, "text": " You looked at the Russian stuff." }, { "start": 947.04, "end": 948.04, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 948.04, "end": 949.04, "text": " Yeah, but that was already sourced." }, { "start": 949.04, "end": 950.6, "text": " What do you mean?" }, { "start": 950.6, "end": 952.48, "text": " This is from, I guess what you're saying." }, { "start": 952.48, "end": 953.84, "text": " Because it was on like a video camera?" }, { "start": 953.84, "end": 955.12, "text": " It was kind of like part of our-" }, { "start": 955.12, "end": 956.12, "text": " Let's be honest." }, { "start": 956.12, "end": 957.12, "text": " You're getting close to the end of your-" }, { "start": 957.12, "end": 958.12, "text": " Yeah, you know." }, { "start": 958.12, "end": 959.12, "text": " I'm a dirty lying cheater." }, { "start": 959.12, "end": 960.12, "text": " You're like two months in." }, { "start": 960.12, "end": 963.2, "text": " Maybe I just don't want to look at Harrison Ford wearing earring." }, { "start": 963.2, "end": 964.2, "text": " Two months." }, { "start": 964.2, "end": 967.08, "text": " Yeah, you don't want your dream of Harrison Ford to be destroyed." }, { "start": 967.08, "end": 968.08, "text": " Let's be honest." }, { "start": 968.08, "end": 969.64, "text": " You're two months away from the end of your thing." }, { "start": 969.64, "end": 973.12, "text": " And if a little internet sneaks in, you know, you're not going to-" }, { "start": 973.12, "end": 974.6800000000001, "text": " You know, it's our little secret." }, { "start": 974.6800000000001, "end": 975.6800000000001, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 975.6800000000001, "end": 978.96, "text": " So I've never read a Star Wars book and I probably never will." }, { "start": 978.96, "end": 985.84, "text": " But I like the thought of a canonical, same with like I've never read The Simmerillion" }, { "start": 985.84, "end": 986.84, "text": " and I probably never will." }, { "start": 986.84, "end": 991.6800000000001, "text": " But I like the thought that there's an expanded universe out there that exists and I thought" }, { "start": 991.6800000000001, "end": 993.2800000000001, "text": " was blessed and-" }, { "start": 993.2800000000001, "end": 994.2800000000001, "text": " It was blessed." }, { "start": 994.2800000000001, "end": 995.2800000000001, "text": " Right, I agree." }, { "start": 995.2800000000001, "end": 996.2800000000001, "text": " It was blessed, it was official." }, { "start": 996.2800000000001, "end": 999.6800000000001, "text": " I think what they were saying is they didn't want to feel burdened by this decades old" }, { "start": 999.6800000000001, "end": 1000.6800000000001, "text": " canon." }, { "start": 1000.6800000000001, "end": 1001.6800000000001, "text": " I'm sorry, but like-" }, { "start": 1001.6800000000001, "end": 1005.0400000000001, "text": " We don't want to feel burdened by all of the things that we've created in the Star" }, { "start": 1005.0400000000001, "end": 1006.0400000000001, "text": " Wars universe." }, { "start": 1006.04, "end": 1010.56, "text": " We're not like lined up for all three of the prequels, even though they sucked." }, { "start": 1010.56, "end": 1014.68, "text": " You know, we don't want to feel burdened by those people that really, really care about" }, { "start": 1014.68, "end": 1015.68, "text": " Star Wars." }, { "start": 1015.68, "end": 1016.68, "text": " I mean, I don't get abandoning-" }, { "start": 1016.68, "end": 1018.04, "text": " I mean, well, I'll say this though." }, { "start": 1018.04, "end": 1019.88, "text": " Well, okay, they had the option of abandoning it." }, { "start": 1019.88, "end": 1020.88, "text": " I will say this." }, { "start": 1020.88, "end": 1028.48, "text": " I mean, you got to at least hand it to Abrams that he went out of his way to protect the" }, { "start": 1028.48, "end": 1032.36, "text": " legacy of the previous Star Trek stuff." }, { "start": 1032.36, "end": 1033.36, "text": " Yeah, he did a good job with that." }, { "start": 1033.36, "end": 1037.32, "text": " He took the Star Trek franchise, or he says he did, because he wasn't as big of a fan." }, { "start": 1037.32, "end": 1039.7199999999998, "text": " He didn't feel like as, you know-" }, { "start": 1039.7199999999998, "end": 1045.76, "text": " And yet, there's definitely a huge, I mean, the whole point of the first Star Trek movie" }, { "start": 1045.76, "end": 1051.36, "text": " is to say like, hey, everything that happened in the Star Trek universe is basically still" }, { "start": 1051.36, "end": 1052.36, "text": " there." }, { "start": 1052.36, "end": 1053.36, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1053.36, "end": 1055.28, "text": " We're just going to tell like some weird offshoot." }, { "start": 1055.28, "end": 1057.08, "text": " Here's some room for some new stories." }, { "start": 1057.08, "end": 1059.32, "text": " It's like basically like we want to tell some new stories." }, { "start": 1059.32, "end": 1067.6799999999998, "text": " Yeah, what I would love with Star Wars is, you know, we've got light side Jedis and dark" }, { "start": 1067.6799999999998, "end": 1068.6799999999998, "text": " side." }, { "start": 1068.6799999999998, "end": 1069.6799999999998, "text": " Are those called Jedis or those Sith lords?" }, { "start": 1069.6799999999998, "end": 1070.6799999999998, "text": " Sith." }, { "start": 1070.6799999999998, "end": 1071.6799999999998, "text": " Sith and Jedi." }, { "start": 1071.6799999999998, "end": 1072.6799999999998, "text": " They're not Sith Jedis." }, { "start": 1072.6799999999998, "end": 1073.6799999999998, "text": " No, they're Sith lords." }, { "start": 1073.6799999999998, "end": 1074.6799999999998, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1074.6799999999998, "end": 1075.6799999999998, "text": " I don't know if they're all Sith lords." }, { "start": 1075.6799999999998, "end": 1076.6799999999998, "text": " No, but I mean-" }, { "start": 1076.6799999999998, "end": 1077.6799999999998, "text": " I think it's the Sith." }, { "start": 1077.6799999999998, "end": 1078.6799999999998, "text": " This is Sith." }, { "start": 1078.6799999999998, "end": 1079.6799999999998, "text": " Sith is the Sith, apparently." }, { "start": 1079.6799999999998, "end": 1080.6799999999998, "text": " And Jedi." }, { "start": 1080.6799999999998, "end": 1081.6799999999998, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1081.6799999999998, "end": 1082.6799999999998, "text": " So you got good guys-" }, { "start": 1082.6799999999998, "end": 1083.6799999999998, "text": " I could be wrong though, by the way." }, { "start": 1083.6799999999998, "end": 1084.6799999999998, "text": " But like, there is a lot more." }, { "start": 1084.6799999999998, "end": 1085.6799999999998, "text": " And like, you know, you've got stormtroopers." }, { "start": 1085.6799999999998, "end": 1086.6799999999998, "text": " Like, I don't know." }, { "start": 1086.6799999999998, "end": 1087.6799999999998, "text": " A lot of these things-" }, { "start": 1087.6799999999998, "end": 1088.6799999999998, "text": " Those things are all going to be in the book." }, { "start": 1088.68, "end": 1089.68, "text": " In the movies, I mean." }, { "start": 1089.68, "end": 1090.68, "text": " Yeah, I don't know." }, { "start": 1090.68, "end": 1091.68, "text": " They're going to have bad guys, good guys, and droids." }, { "start": 1091.68, "end": 1092.68, "text": " I just don't want to like-" }, { "start": 1092.68, "end": 1093.68, "text": " I can make a promise to you." }, { "start": 1093.68, "end": 1094.68, "text": " Yeah, yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 1094.68, "end": 1095.68, "text": " There will be definitely be bad guys." }, { "start": 1095.68, "end": 1096.68, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1096.68, "end": 1097.68, "text": " There will definitely be good guys." }, { "start": 1097.68, "end": 1098.68, "text": " And there will definitely be things called droids." }, { "start": 1098.68, "end": 1099.68, "text": " And lightsabers." }, { "start": 1099.68, "end": 1100.68, "text": " I just don't want a movie-" }, { "start": 1100.68, "end": 1101.68, "text": " And lightsaber." }, { "start": 1101.68, "end": 1102.68, "text": " I don't want a movie that's like, here's your Luke Skywalker replacement." }, { "start": 1102.68, "end": 1103.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1103.68, "end": 1104.68, "text": " And here's your Darth Maul replacement." }, { "start": 1104.68, "end": 1105.68, "text": " And here's your C-3PO." }, { "start": 1105.68, "end": 1106.68, "text": " Well, it wouldn't be Darth Maul." }, { "start": 1106.68, "end": 1107.68, "text": " It would be Darth Vader, wouldn't it?" }, { "start": 1107.68, "end": 1108.68, "text": " Well-" }, { "start": 1108.68, "end": 1109.68, "text": " Darth Maul is played." }, { "start": 1109.68, "end": 1110.68, "text": " He's like from the first movies." }, { "start": 1110.68, "end": 1111.68, "text": " The first movies." }, { "start": 1111.68, "end": 1118.68, "text": " The first, fourth movies." }, { "start": 1118.68, "end": 1119.68, "text": " Absolutely." }, { "start": 1119.68, "end": 1120.68, "text": " He's from the fourth movie." }, { "start": 1120.68, "end": 1125.68, "text": " And the point is, you know, that's probably what they're going to do." }, { "start": 1125.68, "end": 1126.68, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1126.68, "end": 1127.68, "text": " I think there's a bigger challenge here because Star Trek-" }, { "start": 1127.68, "end": 1128.68, "text": " They're just going to make young Star Wars." }, { "start": 1128.68, "end": 1129.68, "text": " Yeah, probably." }, { "start": 1129.68, "end": 1130.68, "text": " Star Trek was always going to say that it's a reboot." }, { "start": 1130.68, "end": 1131.68, "text": " It's not a direct sequel." }, { "start": 1131.68, "end": 1132.68, "text": " By and large, being episode 789-" }, { "start": 1132.68, "end": 1133.68, "text": " Well, it's not a reboot." }, { "start": 1133.68, "end": 1134.68, "text": " Star Trek was a reboot." }, { "start": 1134.68, "end": 1135.68, "text": " Star Trek was a reboot." }, { "start": 1135.68, "end": 1136.68, "text": " That's what I'm saying." }, { "start": 1136.68, "end": 1137.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1137.68, "end": 1138.68, "text": " This is not a reboot." }, { "start": 1138.68, "end": 1139.68, "text": " Yeah, because by and large, being episode 7, it has to be a direct sequel." }, { "start": 1139.68, "end": 1140.68, "text": " Here's the thing." }, { "start": 1140.68, "end": 1148.3200000000002, "text": " I mean, because what they could do, I don't know what the stories are following the death" }, { "start": 1148.3200000000002, "end": 1149.3200000000002, "text": " of Darth Vader." }, { "start": 1149.3200000000002, "end": 1150.3200000000002, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1150.3200000000002, "end": 1156.3200000000002, "text": " I think there's probably like the ultimate battle for balance in the galaxy that is," }, { "start": 1156.3200000000002, "end": 1162.18, "text": " and I am assuming that the, I know that like Luke Skywalker has kids and all sorts of stuff" }, { "start": 1162.18, "end": 1163.18, "text": " like that." }, { "start": 1163.18, "end": 1166.64, "text": " Anyhow, my guess is that the balance is finally restored." }, { "start": 1166.64, "end": 1167.64, "text": " Peace comes to the galaxy." }, { "start": 1167.64, "end": 1170.24, "text": " It's a very, very boring movie." }, { "start": 1170.24, "end": 1171.24, "text": " No, no, no." }, { "start": 1171.24, "end": 1173.72, "text": " I'm saying this is what I assume happens." }, { "start": 1173.72, "end": 1177.64, "text": " If we were to think of what could happen after Darth Vader dies, spoiler alert, Darth Vader" }, { "start": 1177.64, "end": 1180, "text": " dies in Return of the Jedi." }, { "start": 1180, "end": 1181, "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "start": 1181, "end": 1183, "text": " And his helmet turns into a crystal skull." }, { "start": 1183, "end": 1184, "text": " That does not-" }, { "start": 1184, "end": 1185, "text": " Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey." }, { "start": 1185, "end": 1186, "text": " Hold on a second." }, { "start": 1186, "end": 1187, "text": " Okay, go ahead." }, { "start": 1187, "end": 1191.72, "text": " I mean, if there's any people listening who don't know that, like I'm really sorry, but" }, { "start": 1191.72, "end": 1195.38, "text": " it's like 50 years old now, so that's your bad." }, { "start": 1195.38, "end": 1196.38, "text": " It's not that old." }, { "start": 1196.38, "end": 1197.38, "text": " It's 30, 25, 30." }, { "start": 1197.38, "end": 1198.38, "text": " 30." }, { "start": 1198.38, "end": 1199.38, "text": " It's old." }, { "start": 1199.38, "end": 1204.5600000000002, "text": " The point is, so I assume that's what happens." }, { "start": 1204.5600000000002, "end": 1206.6000000000001, "text": " At some point in the books they talk about..." }, { "start": 1206.6000000000001, "end": 1210.8200000000002, "text": " So let's think, what could happen in a sequel to that movie?" }, { "start": 1210.8200000000002, "end": 1213.3600000000001, "text": " It's a long time ago, far, far away." }, { "start": 1213.3600000000001, "end": 1214.8400000000001, "text": " But not as long as the other ones." }, { "start": 1214.8400000000001, "end": 1215.8400000000001, "text": " Oh, that's what they could do." }, { "start": 1215.8400000000001, "end": 1216.8400000000001, "text": " They come to Earth." }, { "start": 1216.8400000000001, "end": 1217.8400000000001, "text": " No, forget about that." }, { "start": 1217.8400000000001, "end": 1218.8400000000001, "text": " No, they come to Earth." }, { "start": 1218.8400000000001, "end": 1219.8400000000001, "text": " They colonize Earth." }, { "start": 1219.8400000000001, "end": 1220.8400000000001, "text": " They could go further back." }, { "start": 1220.8400000000001, "end": 1223.1200000000001, "text": " We don't know how long or far." }, { "start": 1223.1200000000001, "end": 1226.8000000000002, "text": " You could go back and have a really interesting story about the predecessors to the Skywalkers." }, { "start": 1226.8000000000002, "end": 1227.8000000000002, "text": " A prequel sequel." }, { "start": 1227.8, "end": 1230.32, "text": " That could be a thousand years in the past." }, { "start": 1230.32, "end": 1232.44, "text": " But episode seven, it's a time travel." }, { "start": 1232.44, "end": 1233.44, "text": " What about when they're like..." }, { "start": 1233.44, "end": 1234.44, "text": " This is definitely seven." }, { "start": 1234.44, "end": 1235.44, "text": " It's not a prequel." }, { "start": 1235.44, "end": 1238.2, "text": " A prequel to the prequel would be interesting." }, { "start": 1238.2, "end": 1242.84, "text": " What about when they're first discovering the Force and learning its ways?" }, { "start": 1242.84, "end": 1243.84, "text": " That's an offshoot." }, { "start": 1243.84, "end": 1245.32, "text": " That's like a TV series." }, { "start": 1245.32, "end": 1249.8, "text": " It's sort of unleashed and it's hard to control and nobody's learned how to channel it effectively." }, { "start": 1249.8, "end": 1253.36, "text": " Wouldn't that have just naturally developed through millennia?" }, { "start": 1253.36, "end": 1254.76, "text": " Wouldn't the Force have just kind of risen up?" }, { "start": 1254.76, "end": 1260.04, "text": " And based on the ridiculous, horrible description that Lucas has for what the Force is, this" }, { "start": 1260.04, "end": 1261.64, "text": " highly scientific biological..." }, { "start": 1261.64, "end": 1262.64, "text": " Electrochlorons." }, { "start": 1262.64, "end": 1263.64, "text": " Midichlorians." }, { "start": 1263.64, "end": 1264.64, "text": " Sorry, guys." }, { "start": 1264.64, "end": 1265.64, "text": " I'm dropping that knowledge now." }, { "start": 1265.64, "end": 1272.12, "text": " I'm just saying, I feel like it wouldn't be one day the Force arrives." }, { "start": 1272.12, "end": 1273.6, "text": " They're like, what are we..." }, { "start": 1273.6, "end": 1276.24, "text": " Whoa, quit blowing things up." }, { "start": 1276.24, "end": 1277.24, "text": " Quit strangling people." }, { "start": 1277.24, "end": 1278.48, "text": " It's like a technological discovery." }, { "start": 1278.48, "end": 1279.48, "text": " Yeah, maybe." }, { "start": 1279.48, "end": 1280.48, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 1280.48, "end": 1281.48, "text": " But so to that point, there are two..." }, { "start": 1281.48, "end": 1282.48, "text": " They need to discover Earth." }, { "start": 1282.48, "end": 1287.04, "text": " By the way, right now there are people listening to this that are hardcore Star Wars fans and" }, { "start": 1287.04, "end": 1290.4, "text": " they are so flummoxed that they..." }, { "start": 1290.4, "end": 1293.96, "text": " Because we're getting so much wrong and they're like, no, give me the numbers so I can call" }, { "start": 1293.96, "end": 1294.96, "text": " it correct you." }, { "start": 1294.96, "end": 1298.52, "text": " If you thought J.J. Abrams was gonna disgrace Star Wars, I think we just wouldn't have done" }, { "start": 1298.52, "end": 1299.52, "text": " that." }, { "start": 1299.52, "end": 1300.52, "text": " So let's be honest, what could happen in number seven?" }, { "start": 1300.52, "end": 1302.08, "text": " All right, well, first off, I wanna be clear." }, { "start": 1302.08, "end": 1303.88, "text": " We talk revisionist history." }, { "start": 1303.88, "end": 1305.3600000000001, "text": " Midichlorians didn't happen until the prequels." }, { "start": 1305.3600000000001, "end": 1309.76, "text": " Yeah, but they're in the past of the old movie." }, { "start": 1309.76, "end": 1310.76, "text": " I mean, they're now..." }, { "start": 1310.76, "end": 1311.76, "text": " And they're canonical now." }, { "start": 1311.76, "end": 1314.32, "text": " Some of those canonical novels were like, we don't know where the force comes from." }, { "start": 1314.32, "end": 1316.24, "text": " And Lucas is like, it's midichlorians." }, { "start": 1316.24, "end": 1317.24, "text": " It's midichlorians, obviously." }, { "start": 1317.24, "end": 1318.24, "text": " Of course." }, { "start": 1318.24, "end": 1321.12, "text": " But hold on, my point is, what happens after Darth Vader dies?" }, { "start": 1321.12, "end": 1322.12, "text": " What could happen?" }, { "start": 1322.12, "end": 1323.12, "text": " Because that's what this movie is, right?" }, { "start": 1323.12, "end": 1324.12, "text": " It's post his death." }, { "start": 1324.12, "end": 1325.12, "text": " Well, okay, so what?" }, { "start": 1325.12, "end": 1326.8799999999999, "text": " Does the rebel alliance just build governments everywhere?" }, { "start": 1326.8799999999999, "end": 1328.96, "text": " I mean, the Galactic Empire was like a democracy..." }, { "start": 1328.96, "end": 1330.92, "text": " Or not democracy, it was a government that was controlled." }, { "start": 1330.92, "end": 1331.92, "text": " Palpatine is devastated." }, { "start": 1331.92, "end": 1333.92, "text": " We've all seen what happens in..." }, { "start": 1333.92, "end": 1336.44, "text": " Do we know for a fact that Palpatine dies?" }, { "start": 1336.44, "end": 1337.44, "text": " We see him fall." }, { "start": 1337.44, "end": 1338.44, "text": " We see him fall." }, { "start": 1338.44, "end": 1339.44, "text": " But we don't see ghost form." }, { "start": 1339.44, "end": 1341.6, "text": " We don't see an actual body or anything." }, { "start": 1341.6, "end": 1342.6, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1342.6, "end": 1343.6, "text": " Here's my theory." }, { "start": 1343.6, "end": 1344.6, "text": " And I hope..." }, { "start": 1344.6, "end": 1345.6, "text": " Oh, no." }, { "start": 1345.6, "end": 1346.6, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 1346.6, "end": 1347.6, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 1347.6, "end": 1348.6, "text": " Why are you making that face?" }, { "start": 1348.6, "end": 1349.6, "text": " So, Darth Vader dies..." }, { "start": 1349.6, "end": 1350.6, "text": " Oh, shit, Michael Shane is..." }, { "start": 1350.6, "end": 1351.6, "text": " No, no, no, no, no." }, { "start": 1351.6, "end": 1352.6, "text": " Is losing it here." }, { "start": 1352.6, "end": 1353.6, "text": " You don't know that Palpatine actually dies." }, { "start": 1353.6, "end": 1354.6, "text": " You don't see the body." }, { "start": 1354.6, "end": 1355.6, "text": " The point is, there's a whole lot of Galactic Empire left full of bad guys." }, { "start": 1355.6, "end": 1356.6, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1356.6, "end": 1357.6, "text": " Michael's arguing..." }, { "start": 1357.6, "end": 1358.6, "text": " Oh, that's right." }, { "start": 1358.6, "end": 1371.24, "text": " Michael's saying there's a whole bunch of bad guys out in the..." }, { "start": 1371.24, "end": 1372.24, "text": " Out in the galaxy." }, { "start": 1372.24, "end": 1373.24, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1373.24, "end": 1374.24, "text": " But here's what..." }, { "start": 1374.24, "end": 1378.28, "text": " Yeah, but once you cut off the head of the beast..." }, { "start": 1378.28, "end": 1379.28, "text": " Here's what's..." }, { "start": 1379.28, "end": 1381.48, "text": " Now, you're saying they're like terrorist cells, is what you're saying." }, { "start": 1381.48, "end": 1382.48, "text": " They've been fighting..." }, { "start": 1382.48, "end": 1383.48, "text": " Who?" }, { "start": 1383.48, "end": 1384.48, "text": " Grand Admiral Thrawn." }, { "start": 1384.48, "end": 1385.48, "text": " Who's Grand Admiral Thrawn?" }, { "start": 1385.48, "end": 1386.48, "text": " He's from..." }, { "start": 1386.48, "end": 1387.48, "text": " You read the book, don't you?" }, { "start": 1387.48, "end": 1388.48, "text": " Oh, shut up." }, { "start": 1388.48, "end": 1389.48, "text": " Have you read the book?" }, { "start": 1389.48, "end": 1390.48, "text": " Get out." }, { "start": 1390.48, "end": 1391.48, "text": " We're not talking about the book." }, { "start": 1391.48, "end": 1392.48, "text": " No books." }, { "start": 1392.48, "end": 1393.48, "text": " There's no Thrawn." }, { "start": 1393.48, "end": 1394.48, "text": " That's the worst name." }, { "start": 1394.48, "end": 1398.1200000000001, "text": " Thrawn is a made up character that JJ Abrams doesn't care about." }, { "start": 1398.1200000000001, "end": 1399.1200000000001, "text": " Here's the thing." }, { "start": 1399.1200000000001, "end": 1400.8, "text": " I'm tired of fighting the Empire." }, { "start": 1400.8, "end": 1402.2, "text": " You have a rebellion, right?" }, { "start": 1402.2, "end": 1403.2, "text": " The rebellion is in..." }, { "start": 1403.2, "end": 1404.3999999999999, "text": " Rebellion within the rebellion." }, { "start": 1404.3999999999999, "end": 1405.9199999999998, "text": " You start to have in fighting." }, { "start": 1405.9199999999998, "end": 1406.9199999999998, "text": " What sort of government do we want?" }, { "start": 1406.9199999999998, "end": 1407.9199999999998, "text": " We wanna be..." }, { "start": 1407.9199999999998, "end": 1408.9199999999998, "text": " Yeah, do we wanna be like libertarians?" }, { "start": 1408.9199999999998, "end": 1409.9199999999998, "text": " Should we be like Democrats?" }, { "start": 1409.9199999999998, "end": 1410.9199999999998, "text": " Muslim?" }, { "start": 1410.9199999999998, "end": 1411.9199999999998, "text": " Should we be like..." }, { "start": 1411.9199999999998, "end": 1412.9199999999998, "text": " That's not..." }, { "start": 1412.9199999999998, "end": 1413.9199999999998, "text": " Those aren't..." }, { "start": 1413.9199999999998, "end": 1414.9199999999998, "text": " I'm just saying the parallels to Arab Spring..." }, { "start": 1414.9199999999998, "end": 1418, "text": " I mean, I guess you could say, should we use religious rules?" }, { "start": 1418, "end": 1419.36, "text": " Should it be Jedi rules?" }, { "start": 1419.36, "end": 1421.8, "text": " Should it be rule by whatever law?" }, { "start": 1421.8, "end": 1422.8, "text": " Some other kind?" }, { "start": 1422.8, "end": 1423.8, "text": " This is stupid." }, { "start": 1423.8, "end": 1425.54, "text": " I hate this whole idea." }, { "start": 1425.54, "end": 1426.54, "text": " But let's just be clear." }, { "start": 1426.54, "end": 1427.54, "text": " You know who else would hate that?" }, { "start": 1427.54, "end": 1428.54, "text": " We don't know that Palpatine..." }, { "start": 1428.54, "end": 1430.12, "text": " Han Solo's like, I've had enough with this." }, { "start": 1430.12, "end": 1431.12, "text": " He's like, I'm out of here." }, { "start": 1431.12, "end": 1433.6399999999999, "text": " He flies off and Leia has to go find him." }, { "start": 1433.6399999999999, "end": 1436.6399999999999, "text": " I can't be your hero unless I begrudgingly accept it under no other circumstances." }, { "start": 1436.6399999999999, "end": 1437.6399999999999, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 1437.6399999999999, "end": 1438.6399999999999, "text": " He goes, he's like in hiding." }, { "start": 1438.6399999999999, "end": 1439.6399999999999, "text": " They're like, nobody can find him." }, { "start": 1439.6399999999999, "end": 1441.2399999999998, "text": " We need him to bring order to the Council." }, { "start": 1441.2399999999998, "end": 1443.8799999999999, "text": " He's got the deciding vote." }, { "start": 1443.8799999999999, "end": 1444.8799999999999, "text": " Here's my..." }, { "start": 1444.8799999999999, "end": 1447.6799999999998, "text": " Look, and then we're gonna move on because nobody wants to hear this conversation anymore," }, { "start": 1447.6799999999998, "end": 1448.6799999999998, "text": " including us." }, { "start": 1448.6799999999998, "end": 1450.56, "text": " I do think..." }, { "start": 1450.56, "end": 1455.28, "text": " I just hope that Emperor Palpatine, who is my favorite Star Wars character, by the way," }, { "start": 1455.28, "end": 1461, "text": " I hope that he's alive and I hope that he wreaks utter destructive havoc on all members" }, { "start": 1461, "end": 1462.2, "text": " of the Skywalker family." }, { "start": 1462.2, "end": 1464.44, "text": " I know no matter what, it's gonna be a fun movie to watch." }, { "start": 1464.44, "end": 1465.44, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 1465.44, "end": 1468.68, "text": " No matter what, there's gonna be exciting action packed sequences." }, { "start": 1468.68, "end": 1469.68, "text": " There's gonna be romance." }, { "start": 1469.68, "end": 1470.68, "text": " There'll be lightsabers." }, { "start": 1470.68, "end": 1471.68, "text": " There's gonna be sabers." }, { "start": 1471.68, "end": 1472.68, "text": " You know, J.J." }, { "start": 1472.68, "end": 1476.24, "text": " Abrams is gonna come up with some crazy five part lightsaber." }, { "start": 1476.24, "end": 1478, "text": " Like nunchuck lightsaber or something." }, { "start": 1478, "end": 1481.08, "text": " Because they kind of upped the ante with Darth Maul's two-sided lightsaber." }, { "start": 1481.08, "end": 1484.96, "text": " So now it's gonna be a lightsaber with five blades on it." }, { "start": 1484.96, "end": 1487, "text": " It's like a lightsaber umbrella." }, { "start": 1487, "end": 1489.6000000000001, "text": " It's the Mach 3 of lightsabers." }, { "start": 1489.6000000000001, "end": 1491.6000000000001, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 1491.6000000000001, "end": 1494.48, "text": " One last factor with Star Wars and we gotta move on." }, { "start": 1494.48, "end": 1496.28, "text": " There will be side movies that are not in the trilogy." }, { "start": 1496.28, "end": 1497.28, "text": " Oh, come on." }, { "start": 1497.28, "end": 1498.28, "text": " That are about Han Solo." }, { "start": 1498.28, "end": 1499.28, "text": " They're not even that..." }, { "start": 1499.28, "end": 1501.1200000000001, "text": " Look, these Star Wars movies aren't even that good." }, { "start": 1501.1200000000001, "end": 1502.1200000000001, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1502.1200000000001, "end": 1503.1200000000001, "text": " That's it." }, { "start": 1503.1200000000001, "end": 1504.1200000000001, "text": " I'm dead." }, { "start": 1504.1200000000001, "end": 1505.1200000000001, "text": " I'm dead when I get home, someone's gonna shoot me." }, { "start": 1505.1200000000001, "end": 1509.4, "text": " I will say, as I'm getting out of the cab, I'm gonna be shot by a rabid fan." }, { "start": 1509.4, "end": 1510.4, "text": " Injected with midi-quants." }, { "start": 1510.4, "end": 1511.4, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 1511.4, "end": 1512.4, "text": " The Star Wars movies are okay." }, { "start": 1512.4, "end": 1513.4, "text": " Even the original trilogy was just not." }, { "start": 1513.4, "end": 1514.4, "text": " It was okay." }, { "start": 1514.4, "end": 1515.4, "text": " It was amazing." }, { "start": 1515.4, "end": 1516.4, "text": " Watch it again." }, { "start": 1516.4, "end": 1517.4, "text": " It's not that great." }, { "start": 1517.4, "end": 1519.2800000000002, "text": " You know it's a great movie, the Total Recall remake." }, { "start": 1519.2800000000002, "end": 1520.2800000000002, "text": " Just kidding." }, { "start": 1520.2800000000002, "end": 1523, "text": " The one where they forget Mars." }, { "start": 1523, "end": 1524.3600000000001, "text": " You wanna see a great movie about space?" }, { "start": 1524.3600000000001, "end": 1525.46, "text": " Watch Starship Troopers." }, { "start": 1525.46, "end": 1526.46, "text": " That will blow your mind." }, { "start": 1526.46, "end": 1527.46, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 1527.46, "end": 1528.46, "text": " No, no joke." }, { "start": 1528.46, "end": 1529.46, "text": " That is a great movie." }, { "start": 1529.46, "end": 1530.46, "text": " I'm not joking." }, { "start": 1530.46, "end": 1531.46, "text": " Who's joking?" }, { "start": 1531.46, "end": 1532.46, "text": " All right, good." }, { "start": 1532.46, "end": 1533.46, "text": " Just making sure it's established." }, { "start": 1533.46, "end": 1534.46, "text": " Watch Pitch Black." }, { "start": 1534.46, "end": 1535.46, "text": " What was that?" }, { "start": 1535.46, "end": 1536.46, "text": " Chronicles of Riddick." }, { "start": 1536.46, "end": 1537.46, "text": " Pitch Black." }, { "start": 1537.46, "end": 1538.46, "text": " That's a sequel to Pitch Black." }, { "start": 1538.46, "end": 1539.46, "text": " Pitch Black." }, { "start": 1539.46, "end": 1540.46, "text": " I've never seen either of those." }, { "start": 1540.46, "end": 1541.46, "text": " Pitch Black is pretty fun." }, { "start": 1541.46, "end": 1542.46, "text": " Is it?" }, { "start": 1542.46, "end": 1543.46, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1543.46, "end": 1544.46, "text": " They're both fun for different reasons." }, { "start": 1544.46, "end": 1548.32, "text": " Pitch Black is like one of those kill them one by one like an alien movie." }, { "start": 1548.32, "end": 1550.32, "text": " Chronicles of Riddick is ridiculous." }, { "start": 1550.32, "end": 1553.48, "text": " I don't have a big appetite for those at all." }, { "start": 1553.48, "end": 1554.48, "text": " It's got Vin Diesel in it." }, { "start": 1554.48, "end": 1555.8400000000001, "text": " All right, what else is in the news?" }, { "start": 1555.8400000000001, "end": 1557.32, "text": " Tesla is big in the news." }, { "start": 1557.32, "end": 1558.32, "text": " Oh, Tesla." }, { "start": 1558.32, "end": 1559.32, "text": " Big story." }, { "start": 1559.32, "end": 1560.32, "text": " You wanna talk about this?" }, { "start": 1560.32, "end": 1561.32, "text": " Yeah, let's talk about Tesla." }, { "start": 1561.32, "end": 1565.28, "text": " I'm gonna try to condense this because it's a lot to talk about." }, { "start": 1565.28, "end": 1569.1200000000001, "text": " Tesla gave cars, they offered cars to journalists to do test drives." }, { "start": 1569.1200000000001, "end": 1571.04, "text": " The $101,000 Model S." }, { "start": 1571.04, "end": 1573.8, "text": " Tesla's, it's a sedan." }, { "start": 1573.8, "end": 1578.3999999999999, "text": " It's basically like if you're in the market for a BMW or a Mercedes, which are about that" }, { "start": 1578.3999999999999, "end": 1583.04, "text": " much if you buy a nice one, this is something you might consider if you're rich." }, { "start": 1583.04, "end": 1586.98, "text": " I mean, you're basically pretty wealthy and you want an awesome car." }, { "start": 1586.98, "end": 1590.44, "text": " And Motor Trend and a bunch of other magazines have said this is the car of the year." }, { "start": 1590.44, "end": 1591.44, "text": " This is the best." }, { "start": 1591.44, "end": 1593.8799999999999, "text": " This is a serious contender." }, { "start": 1593.8799999999999, "end": 1600.8799999999999, "text": " All electric, completely new, American company, American industry here at its finest." }, { "start": 1600.88, "end": 1603.44, "text": " Anyhow, it's an electric car though." }, { "start": 1603.44, "end": 1608.3600000000001, "text": " Its maximum range on a charge is, I think maximum is 300 miles or something." }, { "start": 1608.3600000000001, "end": 1609.3600000000001, "text": " Something like that." }, { "start": 1609.3600000000001, "end": 1611.44, "text": " 280 or something." }, { "start": 1611.44, "end": 1615, "text": " But your mileage may vary based on different factors." }, { "start": 1615, "end": 1618.44, "text": " How fast you go, if you're running air conditioning." }, { "start": 1618.44, "end": 1619.44, "text": " How heavy you are." }, { "start": 1619.44, "end": 1625.92, "text": " If it's cold outside, if it's hot outside, if you're super fat or super skinny." }, { "start": 1625.92, "end": 1627.8000000000002, "text": " Because there is nothing in between that." }, { "start": 1627.8, "end": 1632.28, "text": " And so anyhow, so we took it out for a drive, we just saw a little bit of the video here." }, { "start": 1632.28, "end": 1634.32, "text": " And we actually had a little bit of a scare." }, { "start": 1634.32, "end": 1637.44, "text": " I was supposed to go on this ride, by the way, and I'm very upset that I could not." }, { "start": 1637.44, "end": 1642.36, "text": " But we had a little bit of a scare where the car said, you've got this far to go, you've" }, { "start": 1642.36, "end": 1644.8, "text": " got this many miles, and you've got this far to go and you'll be fine." }, { "start": 1644.8, "end": 1648.94, "text": " And then they started on the drive and it was like, oh, the car is now telling you you" }, { "start": 1648.94, "end": 1650.96, "text": " have way less than you thought you did." }, { "start": 1650.96, "end": 1654.32, "text": " And there was a period where, I talked to Chris Ziegler about this, that they didn't" }, { "start": 1654.32, "end": 1655.32, "text": " think they were going to make it." }, { "start": 1655.32, "end": 1656.32, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1656.32, "end": 1660.32, "text": " And as you see in the video, and this is not like artificial hyper-thing." }, { "start": 1660.32, "end": 1663.8, "text": " We just happened to have the situation arose, we're like, you said one mile left." }, { "start": 1663.8, "end": 1670.48, "text": " So yeah, we did this video which involved this huge amount of range anxiety, where we" }, { "start": 1670.48, "end": 1674.6, "text": " had a real experience that we thought we couldn't get it to where it needed to go, given the" }, { "start": 1674.6, "end": 1676.48, "text": " time that we had." }, { "start": 1676.48, "end": 1683.08, "text": " And then we published this a couple of days after the New York Times published their review" }, { "start": 1683.08, "end": 1684.4199999999998, "text": " of the car." }, { "start": 1684.42, "end": 1687.92, "text": " And their review basically said, hey, the car said I had this much, and the guy who" }, { "start": 1687.92, "end": 1692.8000000000002, "text": " wrote it said the car had this much and I didn't, and I broke down, it stopped running," }, { "start": 1692.8000000000002, "end": 1695.28, "text": " I had to be picked up on a tow truck." }, { "start": 1695.28, "end": 1697.42, "text": " And so the Tesla's kind of bunk." }, { "start": 1697.42, "end": 1701.28, "text": " He basically was like, the Tesla's bunk because you can't drive it far enough, you can't drive" }, { "start": 1701.28, "end": 1704.24, "text": " it as far as you, it says you can." }, { "start": 1704.24, "end": 1707.98, "text": " So Elon Musk, the founder of Tesla." }, { "start": 1707.98, "end": 1710.3200000000002, "text": " The inspiration for Robert Downey Jr.'s Tony Stark." }, { "start": 1710.3200000000002, "end": 1711.3200000000002, "text": " It's worth noting here." }, { "start": 1711.3200000000002, "end": 1712.3200000000002, "text": " Sure, why not?" }, { "start": 1712.3200000000002, "end": 1714.3200000000002, "text": " A little bit of an eccentric billionaire." }, { "start": 1714.32, "end": 1721, "text": " He replied, yeah, SpaceX, he replied publicly and said, basically said, we have logs of" }, { "start": 1721, "end": 1727.26, "text": " the car that show that what the reporter said, the New York Times reporter said, does not" }, { "start": 1727.26, "end": 1730.9199999999998, "text": " jibe with what we have, what the car actually did." }, { "start": 1730.9199999999998, "end": 1731.9199999999998, "text": " Basically he's lying." }, { "start": 1731.9199999999998, "end": 1732.9199999999998, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 1732.9199999999998, "end": 1736.82, "text": " And the reporter, I believe his name is John Broder, is that right?" }, { "start": 1736.82, "end": 1737.82, "text": " It's Broder at least." }, { "start": 1737.82, "end": 1739.4399999999998, "text": " Broder, did I get his first name wrong?" }, { "start": 1739.4399999999998, "end": 1740.8, "text": " Why would I do that?" }, { "start": 1740.8, "end": 1741.8, "text": " It's Broder." }, { "start": 1741.8, "end": 1744.52, "text": " I've been calling him Broder because, Broder, what is it?" }, { "start": 1744.52, "end": 1745.52, "text": " I'm looking." }, { "start": 1745.52, "end": 1747.9199999999998, "text": " Can't believe you can't just, it is John, it is John." }, { "start": 1747.9199999999998, "end": 1748.9199999999998, "text": " That's what I thought." }, { "start": 1748.9199999999998, "end": 1749.9199999999998, "text": " Why would you correct me?" }, { "start": 1749.9199999999998, "end": 1750.9199999999998, "text": " You don't even know." }, { "start": 1750.9199999999998, "end": 1751.9199999999998, "text": " I said at least Broder." }, { "start": 1751.9199999999998, "end": 1752.9199999999998, "text": " Who do you, from a position." }, { "start": 1752.9199999999998, "end": 1753.9199999999998, "text": " I have corrected." }, { "start": 1753.9199999999998, "end": 1756.6399999999999, "text": " From a complete position of ignorance on his name, you corrected my name." }, { "start": 1756.6399999999999, "end": 1758.6, "text": " I didn't have the logs on the first name." }, { "start": 1758.6, "end": 1762.12, "text": " It's fine, Ross, I hate you." }, { "start": 1762.12, "end": 1763.12, "text": " John Broder." }, { "start": 1763.12, "end": 1764.12, "text": " John Broder." }, { "start": 1764.12, "end": 1769.52, "text": " From the New York Times wrote a response saying, look, here's what happened." }, { "start": 1769.52, "end": 1774.12, "text": " I talked to Tesla representatives, they said it's cool to take it off on this charge." }, { "start": 1774.12, "end": 1778.32, "text": " The interesting thing is he basically refutes most of what Elon Musk says." }, { "start": 1778.32, "end": 1780.76, "text": " There are some interesting parts." }, { "start": 1780.76, "end": 1789.2, "text": " He says that he drove around for 10 minutes in a rest area looking for a service center" }, { "start": 1789.2, "end": 1792.6399999999999, "text": " or whatever, looking for a charging station." }, { "start": 1792.6399999999999, "end": 1796.78, "text": " The charging station seemed to be relatively obvious from what I've seen." }, { "start": 1796.78, "end": 1797.78, "text": " So I don't know." }, { "start": 1797.78, "end": 1800, "text": " I was at night and it was hard to see, don't know." }, { "start": 1800, "end": 1806.44, "text": " He also says, the most interesting thing to me that he says that pokes some holes in what" }, { "start": 1806.44, "end": 1807.44, "text": " he said." }, { "start": 1807.44, "end": 1813.24, "text": " I don't think this is malicious, but he said I was cruising at 45 miles per hour this whole" }, { "start": 1813.24, "end": 1818.16, "text": " time or something and the logs show that he's going between 54 and 60 or something." }, { "start": 1818.16, "end": 1819.16, "text": " Or high as 85 I think." }, { "start": 1819.16, "end": 1822.52, "text": " Yeah, it spikes at 85 at one point." }, { "start": 1822.52, "end": 1826.36, "text": " He wrote as a response, because they have the logs saying what the speed is, he's like," }, { "start": 1826.36, "end": 1828.8, "text": " well I recall going this speed." }, { "start": 1828.8, "end": 1831.7199999999998, "text": " Clearly the logs show differently, so I guess I was going a different speed, but I don't" }, { "start": 1831.7199999999998, "end": 1832.84, "text": " recall that." }, { "start": 1832.84, "end": 1836.1999999999998, "text": " To me that's like, I think what this really boils down to is it's kind of, so the long" }, { "start": 1836.1999999999998, "end": 1838.6799999999998, "text": " and short is that Elon Musk is saying the New York Times lied." }, { "start": 1838.6799999999998, "end": 1841.6, "text": " The New York Times is saying, the guy's saying I didn't lie." }, { "start": 1841.6, "end": 1844.3999999999999, "text": " I might've missed some things." }, { "start": 1844.3999999999999, "end": 1848.52, "text": " I think there was a little bit of sloppy reporting on his part." }, { "start": 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"start": 1877.6, "end": 1878.76, "text": " And they managed to make it." }, { "start": 1878.76, "end": 1883.4, "text": " They were within a few miles of where they needed to go to charge it, but it was a pretty" }, { "start": 1883.4, "end": 1884.4, "text": " close call." }, { "start": 1884.4, "end": 1886.32, "text": " It was a purposeful thing." }, { "start": 1886.32, "end": 1887.32, "text": " We weren't like-" }, { "start": 1887.32, "end": 1891.76, "text": " It sounds like both of these could be the car misreporting its range." }, { "start": 1891.76, "end": 1893.12, "text": " No, this wasn't misreporting." }, { "start": 1893.12, "end": 1896.56, "text": " We expected it to do this." }, { "start": 1896.56, "end": 1901.64, "text": " The goal was we have a range we were told we have pretty close to that range, but enough" }, { "start": 1901.64, "end": 1904.44, "text": " to go, we're going to go." }, { "start": 1904.44, "end": 1906.24, "text": " There is obviously danger involved." }, { 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because there's no chargers everywhere." }, { "start": 1958.88, "end": 1963.5200000000002, "text": " If there was a supercharger every 50 miles, this would not be an issue." }, { "start": 1963.52, "end": 1967.12, "text": " Your trips might take longer, but you're not going to break unless you're a real jerk." }, { "start": 1967.12, "end": 1968.12, "text": " You may have to charge for it." }, { "start": 1968.12, "end": 1969.12, "text": " Sure." }, { "start": 1969.12, "end": 1970.12, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1970.12, "end": 1971.12, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1971.12, "end": 1972.12, "text": " That's what I'm saying." }, { "start": 1972.12, "end": 1973.12, "text": " Talking about those chargers, that's saying like, here's a 4G phone." }, { "start": 1973.12, "end": 1977.56, "text": " There are five 4G towers in the general New York area." }, { "start": 1977.56, "end": 1978.56, "text": " You have a 4G phone." }, { "start": 1978.56, "end": 1980.72, "text": " It's like, I don't 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"text": " Right." }, { "start": 2097.76, "end": 2100.36, "text": " Talk to any regular person who knows what Instagram is, ask them what they think of" }, { "start": 2100.36, "end": 2102.6400000000003, "text": " it and they'll tell you like, they're not there." }, { "start": 2102.6400000000003, "end": 2105.6000000000004, "text": " They like it, but they're not into that whole thing where they sell your photos or they" }, { "start": 2105.6, "end": 2107.8399999999997, "text": " don't think they have a right to sell your photos no matter whether or not they sell" }, { "start": 2107.8399999999997, "end": 2109.92, "text": " it, you know, they're actually selling them or not." }, { "start": 2109.92, "end": 2111.36, "text": " And now it's like the same thing with Tesla." }, { "start": 2111.36, "end": 2115, "text": " It's like, I mean, I remember the consumer reports thing with the iPhone four, right?" }, { "start": 2115, "end": 2119.7999999999997, "text": " Where it's like they had a problem 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"start": 2143.12, "end": 2146.56, "text": " of, you know, shoot first and ask questions later, right?" }, { "start": 2146.56, "end": 2150.52, "text": " Where, where you, you're nobody's taking the time to say like, well, what are the, what" }, { "start": 2150.52, "end": 2151.52, "text": " really happened here?" }, { "start": 2151.52, "end": 2153.04, "text": " The infrastructure is not there." }, { "start": 2153.04, "end": 2156.3199999999997, "text": " The car might've gone a little bit less than he wanted, but like the fact that the car" }, { "start": 2156.3199999999997, "end": 2160.08, "text": " is doing any of this stuff at all is kind of incredible that I can go, if I'm going" }, { "start": 2160.08, "end": 2164.04, "text": " to, you know, if I only drive 50 miles a day from my house to work and run some errands" }, { "start": 2164.04, "end": 2166.2799999999997, "text": " and come back, like this car would be awesome." }, { "start": 2166.2799999999997, "end": 2170.84, "text": " If I 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}, { "start": 2200, "end": 2207.46, "text": " I, I, I agree with you, but also like Elon Musk has gotten so much of that coverage and" }, { "start": 2207.46, "end": 2211.72, "text": " that glowing, this guy is amazing and he's doing amazing things." }, { "start": 2211.72, "end": 2219, "text": " And I've read a million interviews with them and you know, this has to be a good product." }, { "start": 2219, "end": 2223.6, "text": " And like there's no matter how astounding it is, it, it, you know, there are no excuses." }, { "start": 2223.6, "end": 2226.9199999999996, "text": " I think your 4G, your LTE, I mean, I don't know if that's what you're saying, but I think" }, { "start": 2226.9199999999996, "end": 2228.24, "text": " the LTE thing is kind of a good." }, { "start": 2228.24, "end": 2229.24, "text": " No, the iPhone four, not the iPhone." }, { "start": 2229.24, "end": 2232.2, "text": " Oh no, no, but you were saying before, there's only so many towers." }, { "start": 2232.2, "end": 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2255.88, "text": " It's good." }, { "start": 2255.88, "end": 2256.92, "text": " This is not a road trip." }, { "start": 2256.92, "end": 2257.92, "text": " You don't want to take it." }, { "start": 2257.92, "end": 2260, "text": " You're not going to drive it across the country cause you don't know where you're going to" }, { "start": 2260, "end": 2261, "text": " be able to charge it." }, { "start": 2261, "end": 2263.48, "text": " And it's going to be very, you're going to have to stick to very specific roads." }, { "start": 2263.48, "end": 2266.92, "text": " But if every gas station had a supercharger at it, right?" }, { "start": 2266.92, "end": 2267.92, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2267.92, "end": 2268.92, "text": " Different story." }, { "start": 2268.92, "end": 2272.92, "text": " And that will only happen after you get a lot of these commuter plus electric cars out" }, { "start": 2272.92, "end": 2277.6, "text": " and about and you get consumer interest up and they start saying to Ford, like, are you" }, { "start": 2277.6, "end": 2283, "text": " going to give us a reliable, decent car that can go as long as the Tesla or Mercedes is" }, { "start": 2283, "end": 2284, "text": " starting to do it." }, { "start": 2284, "end": 2285, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2285, "end": 2290.2400000000002, "text": " And so that to me is the thing that, you know, I feel like the story is, you know what?" }, { "start": 2290.2400000000002, "end": 2295.44, "text": " The car didn't live up to all of my expectations, but it's still in a kind of an amazing achievement" }, { "start": 2295.44, "end": 2298.44, "text": " and not saying give it a pass, but it's like, yeah, don't take it along." }, { "start": 2298.44, "end": 2301.88, "text": " Don't take it on super long trips unless you're absolutely sure you're going to be able to" }, { "start": 2301.88, "end": 2303.28, "text": " get there and you know what you're doing." }, { "start": 2303.28, "end": 2307.04, "text": " But I guess he's kind of saying like, I was sure and I knew what I was doing and I still" }, { "start": 2307.04, "end": 2308.04, "text": " didn't get there." }, { "start": 2308.04, "end": 2310.2000000000003, "text": " But then you've got this thing where he's saying like, well, I thought I drove it this" }, { "start": 2310.2000000000003, "end": 2311.6, "text": " fast, but I actually drove it this fast." }, { "start": 2311.6, "end": 2315.76, "text": " And you go, okay, so was it just, you were just being a little sloppy." }, { "start": 2315.76, "end": 2317.38, "text": " So maybe you kind of didn't have it." }, { "start": 2317.38, "end": 2319.88, "text": " You didn't know what you were going to be able to do with it." }, { "start": 2319.88, "end": 2321.68, "text": " I think there's two sides to the story." }, { "start": 2321.68, "end": 2324.84, "text": " I don't think that there was anything malicious on the part of the writer." }, { "start": 2324.84, "end": 2327.28, "text": " I think that we've all been in a situation." }, { "start": 2327.28, "end": 2333.52, "text": " I mean, most of my Microsoft product reviews where I just say, you know, I'm just not going" }, { "start": 2333.52, "end": 2334.52, "text": " to review this." }, { "start": 2334.52, "end": 2335.52, "text": " Well, I hate it anyhow." }, { "start": 2335.52, "end": 2336.52, "text": " I hate it anyhow." }, { "start": 2336.52, "end": 2341.2400000000002, "text": " So I'm just going to like, I'm just going to throw it in the drawer." }, { "start": 2341.2400000000002, "end": 2343.88, "text": " I will write my review without even using it." }, { "start": 2343.88, "end": 2346.0400000000004, "text": " And I'll just put that up and that's going to be that." }, { "start": 2346.0400000000004, "end": 2350.0400000000004, "text": " Let me go back here because people will take this." }, { "start": 2350.0400000000004, "end": 2351.0400000000004, "text": " Now that will be used." }, { "start": 2351.0400000000004, "end": 2356.0800000000004, "text": " They're going to take that audio and they're going to post it to the Microsoft forum on" }, { "start": 2356.08, "end": 2359.6, "text": " our site and they're going to be like, the truth is out." }, { "start": 2359.6, "end": 2360.7599999999998, "text": " I was joking." }, { "start": 2360.7599999999998, "end": 2362.4, "text": " That was sarcasm." }, { "start": 2362.4, "end": 2363.52, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2363.52, "end": 2368.7999999999997, "text": " I reviewed all the Microsoft products that I've reviewed and I just, you know, some of" }, { "start": 2368.7999999999997, "end": 2369.7999999999997, "text": " them I didn't think were that great." }, { "start": 2369.7999999999997, "end": 2377.72, "text": " I will say for myself that I have run out of gasoline in my gas car a lot of times back" }, { "start": 2377.72, "end": 2378.72, "text": " when I owned one." }, { "start": 2378.72, "end": 2380.2, "text": " You know, Laura claimed that she did this." }, { "start": 2380.2, "end": 2381.96, "text": " I've never run out of gas in a car." }, { "start": 2381.96, "end": 2385.08, "text": " I probably did it five times in a few years." }, { "start": 2385.08, "end": 2388, "text": " This is a type of a personality type will run out of gas." }, { "start": 2388, "end": 2389, "text": " That's what I've discovered." }, { "start": 2389, "end": 2390, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2390, "end": 2391, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2391, "end": 2392, "text": " Usually like a Microsoft fan." }, { "start": 2392, "end": 2393, "text": " Yeah, absolutely." }, { "start": 2393, "end": 2394, "text": " I just think like, what's wrong?" }, { "start": 2394, "end": 2395, "text": " What is wrong with me?" }, { "start": 2395, "end": 2396, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 2396, "end": 2397, "text": " Can someone tell me?" }, { "start": 2397, "end": 2399.48, "text": " But it's just like, I know they're already mad." }, { "start": 2399.48, "end": 2400.48, "text": " So I've got it." }, { "start": 2400.48, "end": 2403.68, "text": " But you know, six months from now they're going to start data logging all your review" }, { "start": 2403.68, "end": 2404.68, "text": " products." }, { "start": 2404.68, "end": 2405.68, "text": " Uh, yeah, maybe." }, { "start": 2405.68, "end": 2406.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2406.68, "end": 2407.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2407.68, "end": 2408.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2408.68, "end": 2409.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2409.68, "end": 2410.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2410.68, "end": 2411.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2411.68, "end": 2412.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2412.68, "end": 2413.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2413.68, "end": 2414.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2414.68, "end": 2415.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2415.68, "end": 2416.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2416.68, "end": 2417.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2417.68, "end": 2418.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2418.68, "end": 2419.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2419.68, "end": 2420.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2420.68, "end": 2421.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2421.68, "end": 2422.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2422.68, "end": 2423.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2423.68, "end": 2424.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2424.68, "end": 2425.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2425.68, "end": 2426.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2426.68, "end": 2427.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2427.68, "end": 2428.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2428.68, "end": 2429.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2429.68, "end": 2430.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2430.68, "end": 2431.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2431.68, "end": 2432.68, "text": " It did not work." }, { "start": 2432.68, "end": 2433.68, "text": " They don't all work." }, { "start": 2433.68, "end": 2434.68, "text": " They don't all work." }, { "start": 2434.68, "end": 2435.68, "text": " Anyway." }, { "start": 2435.68, "end": 2436.68, "text": " But so." }, { "start": 2436.68, "end": 2437.68, "text": " I think the Tesla story is interesting." }, { "start": 2437.68, "end": 2439.48, "text": " You should watch art seriously, if you haven't seen the video, it's thrilling." }, { "start": 2439.48, "end": 2440.8399999999997, "text": " It's a really good." }, { "start": 2440.8399999999997, "end": 2444.2599999999998, "text": " I, when I saw the first time I was like, man, this is like, I would watch this even" }, { "start": 2444.26, "end": 2446, "text": " if I was not associated with The Verge." }, { "start": 2446, "end": 2447, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2447, "end": 2448, "text": " No, I mean, it's very gorgeous." }, { "start": 2448, "end": 2449, "text": " Quite endorsement, right?" }, { "start": 2449, "end": 2450, "text": " Very gorgeous." }, { "start": 2450, "end": 2453.5400000000004, "text": " We had three people out there, Steven Greenwood, Sam Thunders, Jordan Oppelinger, just amazing" }, { "start": 2453.5400000000004, "end": 2455.6000000000004, "text": " shooter editors, directors." }, { "start": 2455.6000000000004, "end": 2458.6000000000004, "text": " Those names are like, you might as well just say a bunch of foreign names." }, { "start": 2458.6000000000004, "end": 2459.6000000000004, "text": " Well, you should know." }, { "start": 2459.6000000000004, "end": 2460.6000000000004, "text": " If you do not know those names, you should know those names now." }, { "start": 2460.6000000000004, "end": 2464.32, "text": " No, those are some members of our video team, and I thought they killed it on this one." }, { "start": 2464.32, "end": 2465.8, "text": " Really great stuff." }, { "start": 2465.8, "end": 2471.32, "text": " But it's also, you know, it's true the car causes range anxiety, and until we overcome" }, { "start": 2471.32, "end": 2473.6800000000003, "text": " that, it's going to be an issue for electric cars." }, { "start": 2473.68, "end": 2475.6, "text": " But what do you do?" }, { "start": 2475.6, "end": 2477.2799999999997, "text": " You can't make a regenerative." }, { "start": 2477.2799999999997, "end": 2481.6, "text": " There's no solar panel that will deliver enough juice to keep your car going." }, { "start": 2481.6, "end": 2482.6, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2482.6, "end": 2483.6, "text": " Not yet." }, { "start": 2483.6, "end": 2484.9199999999996, "text": " There's no perpetual motion machine." }, { "start": 2484.9199999999996, "end": 2485.9199999999996, "text": " What's the thing to do?" }, { "start": 2485.9199999999996, "end": 2486.9199999999996, "text": " Third rail." }, { "start": 2486.9199999999996, "end": 2487.9199999999996, "text": " Nuclear." }, { "start": 2487.9199999999996, "end": 2488.9199999999996, "text": " Third rail all along the highway." }, { "start": 2488.9199999999996, "end": 2489.9199999999996, "text": " That's interesting." }, { "start": 2489.9199999999996, "end": 2490.9199999999996, "text": " Oh, like F-Zero." }, { "start": 2490.9199999999996, "end": 2491.9199999999996, "text": " I mean, to me, it's-" }, { "start": 2491.9199999999996, "end": 2492.9199999999996, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 2492.9199999999996, "end": 2495.48, "text": " Like F-Zero, Super Nintendo game, or 64 game." }, { "start": 2495.48, "end": 2496.48, "text": " There's a third rail on that?" }, { "start": 2496.48, "end": 2497.48, "text": " Oh, it's a rail that you can recharge your shields." }, { "start": 2497.48, "end": 2498.48, "text": " You just drive through it." }, { "start": 2498.48, "end": 2499.48, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 2499.48, "end": 2501.2799999999997, "text": " That's pretty cool." }, { "start": 2501.2799999999997, "end": 2502.7999999999997, "text": " The answer is batteries." }, { "start": 2502.8, "end": 2504.48, "text": " The answer is a better battery." }, { "start": 2504.48, "end": 2505.48, "text": " A nuclear battery?" }, { "start": 2505.48, "end": 2507.04, "text": " No, I mean a battery that its capacity-" }, { "start": 2507.04, "end": 2511.6000000000004, "text": " You know, the Boeing's got a bunch of extra batteries, I hear." }, { "start": 2511.6000000000004, "end": 2518, "text": " I'm just saying that if the battery held a thousand mile charge, this would not be an" }, { "start": 2518, "end": 2519, "text": " issue because who's driving-" }, { "start": 2519, "end": 2520, "text": " Except for me and Laura." }, { "start": 2520, "end": 2521, "text": " Yeah, except for you guys." }, { "start": 2521, "end": 2522, "text": " You're like, just somehow-" }, { "start": 2522, "end": 2523, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 2523, "end": 2527.4, "text": " I had, today, I had 500 miles left." }, { "start": 2527.4, "end": 2528.4, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2528.4, "end": 2530, "text": " And then, last thing you know, I'm on the side of the road." }, { "start": 2530, "end": 2532.6400000000003, "text": " 499 miles later." }, { "start": 2532.64, "end": 2535.04, "text": " I do think, though, that's the answer here." }, { "start": 2535.04, "end": 2536.04, "text": " You need a better battery." }, { "start": 2536.04, "end": 2537.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2537.04, "end": 2538.04, "text": " Agreed." }, { "start": 2538.04, "end": 2542.56, "text": " But the car needs to be way, way higher with a super thick battery, and it needs to weigh" }, { "start": 2542.56, "end": 2545.56, "text": " like seven tons." }, { "start": 2545.56, "end": 2546.56, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2546.56, "end": 2547.56, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 2547.56, "end": 2548.56, "text": " You want to just move on now?" }, { "start": 2548.56, "end": 2549.56, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2549.56, "end": 2550.56, "text": " I think after that-" }, { "start": 2550.56, "end": 2551.56, "text": " We're going to talk about Sony." }, { "start": 2551.56, "end": 2552.56, "text": " We can talk about PlayStation 4?" }, { "start": 2552.56, "end": 2553.56, "text": " Yeah, let's just talk about what's happening next week." }, { "start": 2553.56, "end": 2554.56, "text": " Next week, we have three big things happening." }, { "start": 2554.56, "end": 2555.56, "text": " I'm just calling it PlayStation 4." }, { "start": 2555.56, "end": 2556.56, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 2556.56, "end": 2557.56, "text": " We have the HTC event." }, { "start": 2557.56, "end": 2558.56, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2558.56, "end": 2559.56, "text": " Yeah, we can talk about HTC." }, { "start": 2559.56, "end": 2560.56, "text": " All right, all right." }, { "start": 2560.56, "end": 2561.56, "text": " Everybody's seen the leaks, and we've heard about it now." }, { "start": 2561.56, "end": 2562.56, "text": " Let's go." }, { "start": 2562.56, "end": 2564.52, "text": " I'm going to use the phone, and it's cool, but whatever." }, { "start": 2564.52, "end": 2565.52, "text": " Yeah, let's Sony." }, { "start": 2565.52, "end": 2566.52, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2566.52, "end": 2568.68, "text": " Sony has an event next Wednesday." }, { "start": 2568.68, "end": 2569.68, "text": " The future of PlayStation." }, { "start": 2569.68, "end": 2570.68, "text": " The 20th." }, { "start": 2570.68, "end": 2572.7999999999997, "text": " Come see the future of PlayStation or something like that." }, { "start": 2572.7999999999997, "end": 2578.72, "text": " We saw a couple of photos of what appears to be a leaked new PlayStation controller." }, { "start": 2578.72, "end": 2582.2799999999997, "text": " The belief is, I think it's pretty un..." }, { "start": 2582.2799999999997, "end": 2587.48, "text": " It's impossible to assume that there's anything happening but a PlayStation 4 announcement." }, { "start": 2587.48, "end": 2588.48, "text": " Or a next-" }, { "start": 2588.48, "end": 2590.48, "text": " What if it's a software update for the Vita?" }, { "start": 2590.48, "end": 2591.48, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2591.48, "end": 2592.48, "text": " The Vita 2." }, { "start": 2592.48, "end": 2593.48, "text": " Electric Boogaloo." }, { "start": 2593.48, "end": 2594.48, "text": " Listen, it's not even funny." }, { "start": 2594.48, "end": 2595.48, "text": " I like it." }, { "start": 2595.48, "end": 2596.48, "text": " So, we think it's going to..." }, { "start": 2596.48, "end": 2597.48, "text": " Can we get the controller on screen?" }, { "start": 2597.48, "end": 2598.48, "text": " There it is." }, { "start": 2598.48, "end": 2599.48, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2599.48, "end": 2600.48, "text": " So, it's kind of like a..." }, { "start": 2600.48, "end": 2607.16, "text": " It's kind of hard to see in this, whoa, crazy surface ad." }, { "start": 2607.16, "end": 2608.52, "text": " Quit mousing over that ad." }, { "start": 2608.52, "end": 2612.28, "text": " Can we zoom in on the image a little bit so we can just get a little more of the detail?" }, { "start": 2612.28, "end": 2613.56, "text": " I want to go back to the boomerang." }, { "start": 2613.56, "end": 2614.56, "text": " Remember that PS3?" }, { "start": 2614.56, "end": 2617.16, "text": " So, it has a touch screen on it of some type?" }, { "start": 2617.16, "end": 2620.44, "text": " Actually, John, can we go look at the original picture?" }, { "start": 2620.44, "end": 2621.7200000000003, "text": " Yeah, we don't want to..." }, { "start": 2621.7200000000003, "end": 2622.7200000000003, "text": " It's the first link on there." }, { "start": 2622.7200000000003, "end": 2623.7200000000003, "text": " Another photo." }, { "start": 2623.7200000000003, "end": 2624.7200000000003, "text": " This is the first one." }, { "start": 2624.7200000000003, "end": 2625.7200000000003, "text": " It's actually a lot clearer." }, { "start": 2625.7200000000003, "end": 2631.88, "text": " So, the thing is, let's just say that we can all safely assume that there's going to be" }, { "start": 2631.88, "end": 2632.88, "text": " a new PlayStation." }, { "start": 2632.88, "end": 2633.88, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 2633.88, "end": 2634.88, "text": " Right?" }, { "start": 2634.88, "end": 2635.88, "text": " I feel pretty confident saying that." }, { "start": 2635.88, "end": 2637.2400000000002, "text": " They've been hinting enough about it." }, { "start": 2637.2400000000002, "end": 2640.38, "text": " So, why does a consumer..." }, { "start": 2640.38, "end": 2642.48, "text": " Why am I getting excited about the new PlayStation?" }, { "start": 2642.48, "end": 2643.48, "text": " There's the controller." }, { "start": 2643.48, "end": 2644.48, "text": " What is that above it?" }, { "start": 2644.48, "end": 2645.48, "text": " That's not anything, is it?" }, { "start": 2645.48, "end": 2646.48, "text": " Okay, so here's our theory." }, { "start": 2646.48, "end": 2650.96, "text": " So, first off, we've been hearing from Bloomberg and Japanese dailies and all that, that it's" }, { "start": 2650.96, "end": 2653.12, "text": " going to be kind of like a DualShock with a touchpad." }, { "start": 2653.12, "end": 2654.12, "text": " That's the thing in the middle." }, { "start": 2654.12, "end": 2655.12, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2655.12, "end": 2656.56, "text": " That thing on top looks very much like a move sensor." }, { "start": 2656.56, "end": 2659.04, "text": " So, I mean, they could just be bringing that up." }, { "start": 2659.04, "end": 2660.04, "text": " What thing on the top?" }, { "start": 2660.04, "end": 2661.04, "text": " That little blue light." }, { "start": 2661.04, "end": 2662.04, "text": " That's not a blue light." }, { "start": 2662.04, "end": 2663.04, "text": " It's a bluish light." }, { "start": 2663.04, "end": 2664.44, "text": " I don't think it's a light, man." }, { "start": 2664.44, "end": 2665.92, "text": " I think it's a move sensor." }, { "start": 2665.92, "end": 2666.92, "text": " Okay, fine." }, { "start": 2666.92, "end": 2669.08, "text": " So, it's a motion controller as well as a regular controller." }, { "start": 2669.08, "end": 2670.08, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2670.08, "end": 2671.08, "text": " Fine." }, { "start": 2671.08, "end": 2672.08, "text": " Great." }, { "start": 2672.08, "end": 2673.08, "text": " Cool." }, { "start": 2673.08, "end": 2674.08, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2674.08, "end": 2675.08, "text": " Is that the thing?" }, { "start": 2675.08, "end": 2676.08, "text": " That's where you need to be able to do this with it?" }, { "start": 2676.08, "end": 2677.08, "text": " I think that's the thing that you're able to do with it." }, { "start": 2677.08, "end": 2681.2799999999997, "text": " I'm guessing they're going to show a little bit of motion control stuff." }, { "start": 2681.2799999999997, "end": 2682.2799999999997, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2682.2799999999997, "end": 2687.12, "text": " But, and hopefully, here's some fun new UI paradigms like they did with the Vita." }, { "start": 2687.12, "end": 2689.7599999999998, "text": " Like, look, you can touch on the back of it and make-" }, { "start": 2689.7599999999998, "end": 2691.7599999999998, "text": " Oh, I hope it doesn't have back touch." }, { "start": 2691.7599999999998, "end": 2692.7599999999998, "text": " Make Drake-" }, { "start": 2692.7599999999998, "end": 2693.7599999999998, "text": " I hate-" }, { "start": 2693.7599999999998, "end": 2694.7599999999998, "text": " Like, climb up vines and stuff." }, { "start": 2694.7599999999998, "end": 2697, "text": " I seriously hate back touching." }, { "start": 2697, "end": 2700.4, "text": " But what they're going to show, I bet, is a tech-" }, { "start": 2700.4, "end": 2704.64, "text": " I tried not to laugh." }, { "start": 2704.64, "end": 2708.6, "text": " Is tech demos maybe like an Uncharted or something like that?" }, { "start": 2708.6, "end": 2714.52, "text": " I just got a new game informer in the mail today and I saw the Witcher 3 screenshots." }, { "start": 2714.52, "end": 2715.52, "text": " You know, like-" }, { "start": 2715.52, "end": 2716.52, "text": " That looks really good." }, { "start": 2716.52, "end": 2717.52, "text": " These next gen games-" }, { "start": 2717.52, "end": 2720.7, "text": " Have you seen the screenshots for, what's the game?" }, { "start": 2720.7, "end": 2721.7, "text": " Remember Me?" }, { "start": 2721.7, "end": 2722.7, "text": " Remember Me?" }, { "start": 2722.7, "end": 2727.2, "text": " Oh, that's the same, Naughty Dog, the one we saw?" }, { "start": 2727.2, "end": 2728.2, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2728.2, "end": 2729.2, "text": " Yeah, but that's-" }, { "start": 2729.2, "end": 2730.2, "text": " No, no, no, no, that's Last of Us." }, { "start": 2730.2, "end": 2731.2, "text": " There's this other game." }, { "start": 2731.2, "end": 2732.2, "text": " You mean-" }, { "start": 2732.2, "end": 2733.2, "text": " Capcom is doing." }, { "start": 2733.2, "end": 2734.2, "text": " Oh, okay." }, { "start": 2734.2, "end": 2735.2, "text": " That's like Paris." }, { "start": 2735.2, "end": 2736.2, "text": " Oh, that's awesome." }, { "start": 2736.2, "end": 2737.2, "text": " Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait." }, { "start": 2737.2, "end": 2738.2, "text": " And it's like rainy and-" }, { "start": 2738.2, "end": 2739.2, "text": " I know, there's a girl." }, { "start": 2739.2, "end": 2740.2, "text": " You play a girl in it?" }, { "start": 2740.2, "end": 2741.2, "text": " No." }, { "start": 2741.2, "end": 2742.2, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2742.2, "end": 2743.2, "text": " There's a trailer for it that I think we might have covered." }, { "start": 2743.2, "end": 2744.2, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2744.2, "end": 2745.2, "text": " Well, I-" }, { "start": 2745.2, "end": 2746.2, "text": " Anyhow, but Last of Us-" }, { "start": 2746.2, "end": 2751.2, "text": " So Last of Us is one of those, it's a game that I'd like to see like-" }, { "start": 2751.2, "end": 2752.2, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2752.2, "end": 2753.2, "text": " But that's not next gen." }, { "start": 2753.2, "end": 2754.8799999999997, "text": " Well, but maybe they have a next gen version of it." }, { "start": 2754.8799999999997, "end": 2755.8799999999997, "text": " I doubt it." }, { "start": 2755.8799999999997, "end": 2756.8799999999997, "text": " Why not?" }, { "start": 2756.8799999999997, "end": 2757.8799999999997, "text": " I really doubt it." }, { "start": 2757.8799999999997, "end": 2758.8799999999997, "text": " Please." }, { "start": 2758.8799999999997, "end": 2762.04, "text": " But they're going to release that." }, { "start": 2762.04, "end": 2764.04, "text": " If it does well, then there's going to be a next gen sequel." }, { "start": 2764.04, "end": 2765.04, "text": " Oh, really?" }, { "start": 2765.04, "end": 2766.04, "text": " Yeah, until June." }, { "start": 2766.04, "end": 2767.04, "text": " Ooh." }, { "start": 2767.04, "end": 2768.04, "text": " So maybe-" }, { "start": 2768.04, "end": 2769.04, "text": " No, I know." }, { "start": 2769.04, "end": 2770.04, "text": " Maybe they're like, oh, we're delaying it because boom, bundle." }, { "start": 2770.04, "end": 2771.04, "text": " You know, there were a lot of bundle." }, { "start": 2771.04, "end": 2772.04, "text": " There were a lot of great-" }, { "start": 2772.04, "end": 2777.04, "text": " What if they were like, here's the PlayStation 4, it'll be available-" }, { "start": 2777.04, "end": 2778.04, "text": " Stop dreaming." }, { "start": 2778.04, "end": 2779.04, "text": " It'll be available in a month." }, { "start": 2779.04, "end": 2780.04, "text": " Stop it." }, { "start": 2780.04, "end": 2781.04, "text": " That would be crazy and very unlikely." }, { "start": 2781.04, "end": 2782.04, "text": " Would that be insane?" }, { "start": 2782.04, "end": 2783.04, "text": " I don't think they'll lose their minds." }, { "start": 2783.04, "end": 2785.04, "text": " So they have to announce it now." }, { "start": 2785.04, "end": 2786.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2786.04, "end": 2790.4, "text": " And then they get, so that they can tell more game developers about it, so game developers" }, { "start": 2790.4, "end": 2792.44, "text": " can show off demos at E3." }, { "start": 2792.44, "end": 2793.44, "text": " Of course, no question." }, { "start": 2793.44, "end": 2794.44, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2794.44, "end": 2797.2000000000003, "text": " Well, the other thing is too, and this is more industry baseball, there's an event in" }, { "start": 2797.2000000000003, "end": 2799.04, "text": " between this, a game developers conference." }, { "start": 2799.04, "end": 2802.56, "text": " Well, all the developers who aren't in on it will finally learn all the code and all" }, { "start": 2802.56, "end": 2804.4, "text": " the bits and pieces so they can make this stuff a launch." }, { "start": 2804.4, "end": 2807.32, "text": " So the question is, are you saying that the big hook is that the controllers are also" }, { "start": 2807.32, "end": 2808.32, "text": " available?" }, { "start": 2808.32, "end": 2809.32, "text": " No, I don't think it's the big hook at all." }, { "start": 2809.32, "end": 2814.2400000000002, "text": " No, I would say the big hook is going to be, Sony will be the first to show next gen graphics" }, { "start": 2814.2400000000002, "end": 2819, "text": " on a console and the trailers are just going to look so bad ass and people are going to" }, { "start": 2819, "end": 2820, "text": " be stoked." }, { "start": 2820, "end": 2822.66, "text": " So that's my, so my, what I, this is the thing." }, { "start": 2822.66, "end": 2825.48, "text": " I like video games as they are now." }, { "start": 2825.48, "end": 2830.48, "text": " Like I play the Xbox 360 and I'm like, it's old, but it's still, some stuff still is pretty" }, { "start": 2830.48, "end": 2831.48, "text": " good on here." }, { "start": 2831.48, "end": 2834.52, "text": " I mean, I've been playing, I've been playing dead space three and man, some of that stuff" }, { "start": 2834.52, "end": 2835.72, "text": " looks really, really good." }, { "start": 2835.72, "end": 2836.72, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2836.72, "end": 2837.72, "text": " And that's old as hell." }, { "start": 2837.72, "end": 2842.48, "text": " So whatever the next gen is, if it's like that, just like super duper awesome looking," }, { "start": 2842.48, "end": 2844.8799999999997, "text": " if it looks real, that's enough." }, { "start": 2844.8799999999997, "end": 2845.8799999999997, "text": " That's enough." }, { "start": 2845.8799999999997, "end": 2849.44, "text": " It's great to hear that it's basically dual shock three because I love that controller" }, { "start": 2849.44, "end": 2853.4, "text": " and I'm stoked to play games that just look so beautiful." }, { "start": 2853.4, "end": 2854.4, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2854.4, "end": 2855.4, "text": " That's what I'm saying." }, { "start": 2855.4, "end": 2856.68, "text": " But like my concern is maybe it's just like not being creative enough." }, { "start": 2856.68, "end": 2857.92, "text": " Like it's, it's iterative." }, { "start": 2857.92, "end": 2858.92, "text": " It's evolution, not revolution." }, { "start": 2858.92, "end": 2859.92, "text": " Like it's going to be a similar controller." }, { "start": 2859.92, "end": 2862.12, "text": " It's going to be much better specs." }, { "start": 2862.12, "end": 2863.6, "text": " The wild cards may be cloud gaming." }, { "start": 2863.6, "end": 2864.6, "text": " They just got Gaikai." }, { "start": 2864.6, "end": 2865.6, "text": " That's fine." }, { "start": 2865.6, "end": 2870.32, "text": " But cloud gaming is, is, is not the main course of the PlayStation four." }, { "start": 2870.32, "end": 2875.32, "text": " I think where we're at now, like, you know, obviously we love like the, the Oculus Rift" }, { "start": 2875.32, "end": 2880.28, "text": " and there are some hints at what could be the next generation of gaming, but what happened" }, { "start": 2880.28, "end": 2887.1600000000003, "text": " with move and connect is that they moved a lot of units, but 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don't think we really, I don't know how you can make a, I don't know how you can do" }, { "start": 2919.32, "end": 2920.32, "text": " that." }, { "start": 2920.32, "end": 2924.76, "text": " You know, people can't all put these in the middle of their, underneath their TV." }, { "start": 2924.76, "end": 2926.1200000000003, "text": " Well they did with the Wii." }, { "start": 2926.1200000000003, "end": 2927.92, "text": " No, they had a bar." }, { "start": 2927.92, "end": 2928.92, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2928.92, "end": 2929.92, "text": " So you're saying they'll have a bar." }, { "start": 2929.92, "end": 2932.64, "text": " Yeah, that's a lot more than a bar." }, { "start": 2932.64, "end": 2937.28, "text": " It's a little bit bigger, but I'm sure they'll get it downsized." }, { "start": 2937.28, "end": 2938.28, "text": " I get that." }, { "start": 2938.28, "end": 2940.48, "text": " I'm just saying it's, it's just right now." }, { "start": 2940.48, "end": 2942.84, "text": " You're still, you're still, it's still an accessory basically." }, { "start": 2942.84, "end": 2943.84, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2943.84, "end": 2946.04, "text": " But if it comes with the console, that's the, that's the key." }, { "start": 2946.04, "end": 2949.56, "text": " And that's the thing is, is like, there'll be games that won't require it, but then every" }, { "start": 2949.56, "end": 2952.52, "text": " once while there'll be a game that uses it and like, Oh, I guess we got to plug it in," }, { "start": 2952.52, "end": 2953.52, "text": " but people will plug it in." }, { "start": 2953.52, "end": 2958, "text": " I just wonder if that, if that's really where the demand is coming is that it's about like," }, { "start": 2958, "end": 2961.28, "text": " you know, make something that's, you know, I do something weird in my living room." }, { "start": 2961.28, "end": 2963.56, "text": " I mean, is that what people want in games?" }, { "start": 2963.56, "end": 2964.68, "text": " Is that 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like, it's like, it's like high res." }, { "start": 3001.8399999999997, "end": 3002.8399999999997, "text": " They have a head mounted display." }, { "start": 3002.8399999999997, "end": 3003.8399999999997, "text": " It's just, it's all 4k." }, { "start": 3003.8399999999997, "end": 3010.2, "text": " No, but it would be, it would be high res, not 4k, but 1080 super awesome sensors like" }, { "start": 3010.2, "end": 3011.8799999999997, "text": " Oculus Rift or better." }, { "start": 3011.8799999999997, "end": 3015.9199999999996, "text": " It would, you would assume Sony could, you know, with all their money could do it better." }, { "start": 3015.92, "end": 3018.64, "text": " The sensors are not, you know, they're not inventing the sensors." }, { "start": 3018.64, "end": 3020.04, "text": " They're off the shelf essentially." }, { "start": 3020.04, "end": 3021.04, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3021.04, "end": 3024.6, "text": " I mean, to me that would be like, you know, and it's like, there are like glasses or they're" }, { "start": 3024.6, "end": 3025.88, "text": " small." }, { "start": 3025.88, "end": 3029.12, "text": " That would be like a, whoa, the game has changed moment." }, { "start": 3029.12, "end": 3030.12, "text": " Well I am." }, { "start": 3030.12, "end": 3032.78, "text": " Cause seriously, if you're jacking in and they're like photo realistic graphics and" }, { "start": 3032.78, "end": 3036.88, "text": " you're in your like 1080 360 immersive super sensitive headset." }, { "start": 3036.88, "end": 3037.88, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3037.88, "end": 3039.88, "text": " That's like next damn level of the game." }, { "start": 3039.88, "end": 3042.12, "text": " I've been on a big." }, { "start": 3042.12, "end": 3043.12, "text": " But that's probably not going to happen." }, { "start": 3043.12, "end": 3050.3599999999997, "text": " I've been on a big Harry Potter kick lately and Sony partners with, you know, Pottermore" }, { "start": 3050.3599999999997, "end": 3051.3599999999997, "text": " JK Rowling." }, { "start": 3051.3599999999997, "end": 3052.3599999999997, "text": " Yeah, did you get that Pottermore?" }, { "start": 3052.3599999999997, "end": 3057.04, "text": " And they made that horrible book game I played at E3 and it was just so bad." }, { "start": 3057.04, "end": 3058.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3058.04, "end": 3061.52, "text": " But you know, I think there's still a lot of opportunities for next gen experiences." }, { "start": 3061.52, "end": 3063.8399999999997, "text": " Like I mean, Harry Potter experiences." }, { "start": 3063.8399999999997, "end": 3068.7999999999997, "text": " I would like to see it's even on like mobile, like augmented reality stuff where, you know," }, { "start": 3068.7999999999997, "end": 3072.6, "text": " you're like looking through your phone and you look at a lock and you say, Alohomora" }, { "start": 3072.6, "end": 3076.04, "text": " and you unlock your actual lock and go through the door." }, { "start": 3076.04, "end": 3078.96, "text": " And I think there's a lot of, a lot of options." }, { "start": 3078.96, "end": 3081.8399999999997, "text": " You mean like it actually operates the lock on your door?" }, { "start": 3081.8399999999997, "end": 3082.8399999999997, "text": " Well it doesn't actually." }, { "start": 3082.8399999999997, "end": 3083.8399999999997, "text": " That would be cool." }, { "start": 3083.8399999999997, "end": 3084.8399999999997, "text": " That would be cool." }, { "start": 3084.8399999999997, "end": 3085.8399999999997, "text": " Huh?" }, { "start": 3085.8399999999997, "end": 3086.8399999999997, "text": " Like you had to have that." }, { "start": 3086.8399999999997, "end": 3087.8399999999997, "text": " Sony gets into home automation." }, { "start": 3087.8399999999997, "end": 3088.8399999999997, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3088.8399999999997, "end": 3091.4, "text": " You've got your, you can do the street darkener and you can turn off your lights." }, { "start": 3091.4, "end": 3092.4, "text": " Oh my God." }, { "start": 3092.4, "end": 3094.96, "text": " They're going to say that it's going to be 4k, right?" }, { "start": 3094.96, "end": 3097.12, "text": " Probably cause they had the 4k televisions coming out later that year." }, { "start": 3097.12, "end": 3100.7599999999998, "text": " So they'll say it's capable of 4k gaming." }, { "start": 3100.76, "end": 3105.0800000000004, "text": " Which would mean that at 1080 the graphics processing power must be pretty intense because" }, { "start": 3105.0800000000004, "end": 3108.92, "text": " if you're able to, whatever they're able to produce at 4k, right?" }, { "start": 3108.92, "end": 3110.2400000000002, "text": " If they can do the same level of graphics." }, { "start": 3110.2400000000002, "end": 3115.1600000000003, "text": " I'm guessing it's going to be the similar where we saw with the current generation where" }, { "start": 3115.1600000000003, "end": 3121.44, "text": " it was like all the actual games are actually 720p, but the consoles are capable of 1080p." }, { "start": 3121.44, "end": 3122.44, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3122.44, "end": 3123.44, "text": " It'll be." }, { "start": 3123.44, "end": 3124.92, "text": " Every once in a while you get some racing game that's in 1080p." }, { "start": 3124.92, "end": 3126.48, "text": " And now it'll be all 1080." }, { "start": 3126.48, "end": 3127.48, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3127.48, "end": 3128.48, "text": " It'll be all 1080." }, { "start": 3128.48, "end": 3129.48, "text": " And capable of 4k." }, { "start": 3129.48, "end": 3131.16, "text": " And crazy games will have 4k." }, { "start": 3131.16, "end": 3136.52, "text": " I just want to know, I mean, are we about to hit, you know, there are some amazing looking" }, { "start": 3136.52, "end": 3138.2, "text": " games out there now." }, { "start": 3138.2, "end": 3142.08, "text": " PC games have obviously taken it even further because they can." }, { "start": 3142.08, "end": 3147.36, "text": " Are we about to hit the, you know, this is, we're getting indistinguishable from, are" }, { "start": 3147.36, "end": 3149.32, "text": " we going to hit photorealism?" }, { "start": 3149.32, "end": 3150.88, "text": " You're talking about Uncanny Valley to the point." }, { "start": 3150.88, "end": 3152.12, "text": " I mean, yeah, Uncanny Valley." }, { "start": 3152.12, "end": 3153.12, "text": " Like can we get there?" }, { "start": 3153.12, "end": 3157.72, "text": " Is this going to be the, because if I think if they get there, that's a big deal." }, { "start": 3157.72, "end": 3160.56, "text": " I think if they can get there, that is a, that could be a game changer." }, { "start": 3160.56, "end": 3164.72, "text": " So you've got, you've got this generation where it's going to look really, really, really" }, { "start": 3164.72, "end": 3165.72, "text": " good." }, { "start": 3165.72, "end": 3168.16, "text": " I just don't see, you can't do it in film." }, { "start": 3168.16, "end": 3169.16, "text": " I mean, you still can't do." }, { "start": 3169.16, "end": 3170.16, "text": " It's going to be uncanny." }, { "start": 3170.16, "end": 3172.64, "text": " Well, have you seen like, like, you know, Benjamin Button and stuff like that?" }, { "start": 3172.64, "end": 3173.64, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3173.64, "end": 3178.6, "text": " I mean like, like to like make something that actually doesn't look creepy as a human face," }, { "start": 3178.6, "end": 3184.7999999999997, "text": " you have to actually simulate the multiple layers of skin and how light goes through" }, { "start": 3184.8, "end": 3189.44, "text": " those and reflects through those and you know, not just all the pores and all the detail," }, { "start": 3189.44, "end": 3194.04, "text": " but actually the way that light moves is like really hard for rendering." }, { "start": 3194.04, "end": 3198.4, "text": " And so we're definitely another hardware generation or more away from that." }, { "start": 3198.4, "end": 3203.44, "text": " I mean, Golem, maybe, maybe Golem level feel like a feel that that's cause that's like," }, { "start": 3203.44, "end": 3204.44, "text": " and that's the thing." }, { "start": 3204.44, "end": 3207.32, "text": " Golem and Pixar level is way easier." }, { "start": 3207.32, "end": 3208.32, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3208.32, "end": 3209.32, "text": " Well, cause they're already cartoonish." }, { "start": 3209.32, "end": 3210.32, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3210.32, "end": 3211.32, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3211.32, "end": 3212.32, "text": " They don't have to look perfectly like humans." }, { "start": 3212.32, "end": 3213.32, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3213.32, "end": 3217, "text": " I would definitely like it to get to a point where I don't see things that I, that are," }, { "start": 3217, "end": 3222.36, "text": " that tell me that it's a game, like where horizons don't, you know, things on the horizon" }, { "start": 3222.36, "end": 3226, "text": " don't come into existence where there's not like where I don't see pixels where I'm, when" }, { "start": 3226, "end": 3230.04, "text": " I look at a leaf, you know, that's blowing in the, in the, again, I was looking at these" }, { "start": 3230.04, "end": 3232.56, "text": " Witcher three screenshots and they're awesome." }, { "start": 3232.56, "end": 3237, "text": " And it's like the clouds aren't like, you know, in the, in the background, they're just" }, { "start": 3237, "end": 3239, "text": " 3d clouds that are there." }, { "start": 3239, "end": 3240, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3240, "end": 3241.76, "text": " You know, I play the Witcher, the second Witcher." }, { "start": 3241.76, "end": 3242.76, "text": " I haven't played any of the Witcher games." }, { "start": 3242.76, "end": 3247.32, "text": " I just bought it and started playing it and it was immediately like insanely complex." }, { "start": 3247.32, "end": 3248.88, "text": " And I like put it down and I was done." }, { "start": 3248.88, "end": 3249.88, "text": " It was supposed to be really hard." }, { "start": 3249.88, "end": 3251.6800000000003, "text": " It was like, here's how you, yeah, it's like, here's how you make spells." }, { "start": 3251.6800000000003, "end": 3252.6800000000003, "text": " And it was insane." }, { "start": 3252.6800000000003, "end": 3253.6800000000003, "text": " I think they're working on that for the new one." }, { "start": 3253.6800000000003, "end": 3254.84, "text": " I mean, it was insane." }, { "start": 3254.84, "end": 3255.84, "text": " So difficult." }, { "start": 3255.84, "end": 3259.7200000000003, "text": " It's exactly the opposite of what I want to do, which is management of stuff." }, { "start": 3259.7200000000003, "end": 3263.88, "text": " What I will say is in the new dead space game, they, you can construct weapons from different" }, { "start": 3263.88, "end": 3266.44, "text": " parts and I, I really enjoy it." }, { "start": 3266.44, "end": 3270, "text": " You could make weird weapons, like stuff that doesn't make any sense." }, { "start": 3270, "end": 3273.4, "text": " Like one part is a line gun and one part is a shotgun." }, { "start": 3273.4, "end": 3275.4, "text": " Like it's very bizarre." }, { "start": 3275.4, "end": 3278.52, "text": " Anyhow, you have to know what a line gun is, I guess." }, { "start": 3278.52, "end": 3281.08, "text": " So yeah, so I don't have any big predictions here." }, { "start": 3281.08, "end": 3284.88, "text": " Like I have to say, I don't have any idea what Sony is going to do for their next games." }, { "start": 3284.88, "end": 3286.08, "text": " I'm just so happy." }, { "start": 3286.08, "end": 3291.2, "text": " I'm happy too, but I'm also scared because as we know, I mean the last gaming product" }, { "start": 3291.2, "end": 3297.02, "text": " Sony released, big gaming product was the Vita, which was a, you know, a step above" }, { "start": 3297.02, "end": 3299.06, "text": " what they'd done in portables, but not a huge." }, { "start": 3299.06, "end": 3300.2, "text": " It was like, it's way better." }, { "start": 3300.2, "end": 3303.68, "text": " It's a really awesome portable gaming system, but portable gaming is kind of like going" }, { "start": 3303.68, "end": 3309.16, "text": " out and it's not so much better than the PSP that you're like, wow, this is a game changer." }, { "start": 3309.16, "end": 3312.7999999999997, "text": " And I mean, in the circumstances of that, of that announcement was actually pretty similar." }, { "start": 3312.7999999999997, "end": 3316.48, "text": " I remember we found like, I think a week prior and then Paul, you and I, we just flew to" }, { "start": 3316.48, "end": 3317.48, "text": " Japan like immediately." }, { "start": 3317.48, "end": 3318.48, "text": " So jealous." }, { "start": 3318.48, "end": 3321.12, "text": " I really want to go back to Japan." }, { "start": 3321.12, "end": 3323.6, "text": " I'm really, really about badly want to go." }, { "start": 3323.6, "end": 3324.94, "text": " But so here's the thing." }, { "start": 3324.94, "end": 3329.92, "text": " If they announced like a system with better graphics and cloud gaming and a touchscreen" }, { "start": 3329.92, "end": 3333.96, "text": " controller, you know, what is that going to be enough for them to sell units?" }, { "start": 3333.96, "end": 3335.4, "text": " Like is that just all they need?" }, { "start": 3335.4, "end": 3336.88, "text": " Or I mean, I think so." }, { "start": 3336.88, "end": 3337.88, "text": " We sell these all the time." }, { "start": 3337.88, "end": 3339.14, "text": " These are two year lifespans." }, { "start": 3339.14, "end": 3341.8, "text": " This is like guaranteed eight years of like, this is the next platform." }, { "start": 3341.8, "end": 3342.8, "text": " You got it." }, { "start": 3342.8, "end": 3343.8, "text": " You got to have a phone." }, { "start": 3343.8, "end": 3345.96, "text": " You have to have a great phone." }, { "start": 3345.96, "end": 3346.96, "text": " It's also about the content." }, { "start": 3346.96, "end": 3349.88, "text": " Like what, like it or not, all the new games are going to come out on this platform." }, { "start": 3349.88, "end": 3354.04, "text": " So if you want to keep playing these new games, no matter what they do to it, otherwise there's" }, { "start": 3354.04, "end": 3355.2599999999998, "text": " going to be a new call of duty." }, { "start": 3355.2599999999998, "end": 3360.86, "text": " So I think what'll really come down to is when Sony ships and when Microsoft ships," }, { "start": 3360.86, "end": 3366.62, "text": " how much they cost, because as far as like the primary titles, they're going to get," }, { "start": 3366.62, "end": 3370.88, "text": " you know, basically the, you know, the same big ones." }, { "start": 3370.88, "end": 3378.9, "text": " I think there are a lot more when Xbox 360 and the PlayStation three 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3455.7200000000003, "text": " Xbox shipped a year before, uh, Wii and a PlayStation three." }, { "start": 3455.7200000000003, "end": 3457, "text": " And that was fine." }, { "start": 3457, "end": 3460.08, "text": " And the Wii U just, uh, they just announced figure for sales in January." }, { "start": 3460.08, "end": 3461.28, "text": " It's one of the lowest points ever." }, { "start": 3461.28, "end": 3462.28, "text": " 57,000." }, { "start": 3462.28, "end": 3463.28, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 3463.28, "end": 3465, "text": " Well, but, but, but the Wii U isn't next gen." }, { "start": 3465, "end": 3466.68, "text": " Well, it's their next gen." }, { "start": 3466.68, "end": 3470.04, "text": " The Wii U is current gen with it, with a different control." }, { "start": 3470.04, "end": 3473.44, "text": " And that's why I think this next gen graphics is what people are actually looking for." }, { "start": 3473.44, "end": 3478.48, "text": " I do think, I do think there has to be, I think, you know, unless you have a novelty" }, { "start": 3478.48, "end": 3484.24, "text": " as amazing as the Wii when it was first out, because nobody had ever done anything like" }, { "start": 3484.24, "end": 3485.24, "text": " that." }, { "start": 3485.24, "end": 3486.24, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3486.24, "end": 3488.96, "text": " And it was really, and it really worked and it really changed the way you play games." }, { "start": 3488.96, "end": 3490.2999999999997, "text": " The Wii U does not do that." }, { "start": 3490.2999999999997, "end": 3493.08, "text": " It changes the way you play a bit, but now we all have touchscreens." }, { "start": 3493.08, "end": 3494.08, "text": " We know what they're like." }, { "start": 3494.08, "end": 3495.08, "text": " You know, we use them on our phones." }, { "start": 3495.08, "end": 3496.7999999999997, "text": " We're used to doing all kinds of weird things with touchscreens." }, { "start": 3496.7999999999997, "end": 3498.58, "text": " So it's not the most novel idea." }, { "start": 3498.58, "end": 3500.08, "text": " It's just adding it to your experience." }, { "start": 3500.08, "end": 3503, "text": " And that's kind of novel, but it's not that big of a deal." }, { "start": 3503, "end": 3505.36, "text": " You know, I do think there's something to be said." }, { "start": 3505.36, "end": 3509.52, "text": " I think if it had come out and it was like, we were blowing away the graphics of the Xbox" }, { "start": 3509.52, "end": 3511.06, "text": " and the PS3." }, { "start": 3511.06, "end": 3513.04, "text": " This is next gen graphics." }, { "start": 3513.04, "end": 3515, "text": " Like you've never seen anything like this." }, { "start": 3515, "end": 3516, "text": " And it's got that stuff." }, { "start": 3516, "end": 3520.2799999999997, "text": " One of my favorite things, like I bought the Wii U and on the back, on the box, it said," }, { "start": 3520.28, "end": 3525.28, "text": " one of the bullet points is Nintendo's first HD console." }, { "start": 3525.28, "end": 3526.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3526.28, "end": 3527.28, "text": " Oh, good job guys." }, { "start": 3527.28, "end": 3528.28, "text": " Good job." }, { "start": 3528.28, "end": 3531.1200000000003, "text": " But I mean, you know, and, and the games they do what exactly what I'm talking about." }, { "start": 3531.1200000000003, "end": 3534.6400000000003, "text": " I'm really excited for Wii Fit and for a Mario Kart." }, { "start": 3534.6400000000003, "end": 3535.6400000000003, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 3535.6400000000003, "end": 3536.6400000000003, "text": " Those are going to be awesome." }, { "start": 3536.6400000000003, "end": 3537.6400000000003, "text": " I have no excitement about either of those." }, { "start": 3537.6400000000003, "end": 3540.6400000000003, "text": " If more so than like the Fit just came on the Kinect, like is like judging you like badly" }, { "start": 3540.6400000000003, "end": 3541.6400000000003, "text": " judging you." }, { "start": 3541.6400000000003, "end": 3546.0400000000004, "text": " No, you don't know because Wii Fit's got a frigging bobsledding and this game where" }, { "start": 3546.0400000000004, "end": 3548.76, "text": " you're a waiter and you're carrying things around." }, { "start": 3548.76, "end": 3549.76, "text": " That sounds like fun." }, { "start": 3549.76, "end": 3550.76, "text": " I did with the controller." }, { "start": 3550.76, "end": 3551.76, "text": " Yeah, that's pretty cool." }, { "start": 3551.76, "end": 3554.76, "text": " But I mean, still, it's also very silly." }, { "start": 3554.76, "end": 3557.28, "text": " I mean, it's like, it's a big deal." }, { "start": 3557.28, "end": 3561.28, "text": " I want to play a game where I don't know if the person is real or not." }, { "start": 3561.28, "end": 3565.1600000000003, "text": " And I'm in an environment that's like, I'm looking at a film." }, { "start": 3565.1600000000003, "end": 3566.1600000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3566.1600000000003, "end": 3568.8, "text": " And I'm scared to death because there's a zombie on my ass." }, { "start": 3568.8, "end": 3569.8, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3569.8, "end": 3571.48, "text": " So, so our wishlist is like crazy interaction." }, { "start": 3571.48, "end": 3574.4, "text": " Just like you said, Paul, like our wishlist crazy interaction." }, { "start": 3574.4, "end": 3575.4, "text": " No, no, no, no." }, { "start": 3575.4, "end": 3576.4, "text": " New ways of interfacing." }, { "start": 3576.4, "end": 3577.4, "text": " Well, no, no, no, no." }, { "start": 3577.4, "end": 3578.4, "text": " I don't think anybody's saying that." }, { "start": 3578.4, "end": 3579.4, "text": " That's what I'm saying." }, { "start": 3579.4, "end": 3580.4, "text": " We already have the ways of." }, { "start": 3580.4, "end": 3581.4, "text": " Do you play it?" }, { "start": 3581.4, "end": 3582.4, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3582.4, "end": 3583.4, "text": " All the time." }, { "start": 3583.4, "end": 3584.4, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 3584.4, "end": 3585.4, "text": " What do you play?" }, { "start": 3585.4, "end": 3586.4, "text": " Mostly voice." }, { "start": 3586.4, "end": 3587.4, "text": " Well, I play Netflix." }, { "start": 3587.4, "end": 3588.4, "text": " Oh, okay." }, { "start": 3588.4, "end": 3589.4, "text": " So you use your, I am a Netflix audio user." }, { "start": 3589.4, "end": 3590.4, "text": " For voice." }, { "start": 3590.4, "end": 3591.4, "text": " Here's the thing." }, { "start": 3591.4, "end": 3592.4, "text": " Who has room in their apartment for." }, { "start": 3592.4, "end": 3593.4, "text": " I rest my case." }, { "start": 3593.4, "end": 3594.4, "text": " Who, that's a New York question." }, { "start": 3594.4, "end": 3595.4, "text": " Everybody has a big house everywhere else." }, { "start": 3595.4, "end": 3596.4, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3596.4, "end": 3597.4, "text": " So you're asking for New York." }, { "start": 3597.4, "end": 3598.4, "text": " That doesn't count." }, { "start": 3598.4, "end": 3599.4, "text": " We're not even a part of America." }, { "start": 3599.4, "end": 3604.4, "text": " I can't even move around on my floor in my living room because my super gets mad." }, { "start": 3604.4, "end": 3609.4, "text": " It might be time to look for a new place." }, { "start": 3609.4, "end": 3611.36, "text": " Connect is like what I use." }, { "start": 3611.36, "end": 3612.36, "text": " I use audio voice." }, { "start": 3612.36, "end": 3614.4, "text": " I use Connect for fitness games." }, { "start": 3614.4, "end": 3617.28, "text": " It's like how bad I do at yoga, which is terrible, by the way." }, { "start": 3617.28, "end": 3619.4, "text": " I'd like to see this on video, please." }, { "start": 3619.4, "end": 3620.4, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 3620.4, "end": 3621.4, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 3621.4, "end": 3622.4, "text": " Well, Microsoft is probably tracking that." }, { "start": 3622.4, "end": 3623.4, "text": " They're sure they are." }, { "start": 3623.4, "end": 3624.4, "text": " They have the data logs on all my yoga." }, { "start": 3624.4, "end": 3625.4, "text": " Elon Balmer." }, { "start": 3625.4, "end": 3626.4, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 3626.4, "end": 3627.4, "text": " Oh, really?" }, { "start": 3627.4, "end": 3628.4, "text": " Now you get it?" }, { "start": 3628.4, "end": 3629.4, "text": " Now you're into it?" }, { "start": 3629.4, "end": 3630.4, "text": " I thought it was because of the callback." }, { "start": 3630.4, "end": 3631.4, "text": " It's a good callback." }, { "start": 3631.4, "end": 3632.4, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 3632.4, "end": 3633.4, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 3633.4, "end": 3634.4, "text": " That's exactly right." }, { "start": 3634.4, "end": 3635.4, "text": " But here you are." }, { "start": 3635.4, "end": 3636.4, "text": " You're saying, oh, yeah, cool, innovative, new ways of playing." }, { "start": 3636.4, "end": 3637.4, "text": " And you're like, oh, yeah, I don't use it." }, { "start": 3637.4, "end": 3638.4, "text": " I just want natural interface." }, { "start": 3638.4, "end": 3639.4, "text": " And I think we're getting closer." }, { "start": 3639.4, "end": 3640.4, "text": " This control they showed is not quite there." }, { "start": 3640.4, "end": 3641.4, "text": " I'm saying Sony and Microsoft already have methods for natural user interface." }, { "start": 3641.4, "end": 3642.4, "text": " Just nobody built any games for them yet." }, { "start": 3642.4, "end": 3643.4, "text": " And by making it a much bigger deal, we're going to start seeing that." }, { "start": 3643.4, "end": 3644.4, "text": " And then they'll start experimenting even more." }, { "start": 3644.4, "end": 3645.4, "text": " Yeah, just by shipping it with every console, we'll start to see it." }, { "start": 3645.4, "end": 3646.4, "text": " Here's the two things I want." }, { "start": 3646.4, "end": 3647.4, "text": " Incredibly realistic graphics." }, { "start": 3647.4, "end": 3648.4, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 3648.4, "end": 3649.4, "text": " I'm not going to be able to do that." }, { "start": 3649.4, "end": 3650.4, "text": " I'm not going to be able to do that." }, { "start": 3650.4, "end": 3651.4, "text": " I'm not going to be able to do that." }, { "start": 3651.4, "end": 3670.32, "text": " And if they do that, it's like game on in every way." }, { "start": 3670.32, "end": 3671.8, "text": " Game over and game on." }, { "start": 3671.8, "end": 3674.88, "text": " Game over, game changer, and game on." }, { "start": 3674.88, "end": 3675.88, "text": " Seacrest in." }, { "start": 3675.88, "end": 3676.88, "text": " And on that callback." }, { "start": 3676.88, "end": 3677.88, "text": " Yeah, are we done?" }, { "start": 3677.88, "end": 3678.88, "text": " I think we're done." }, { "start": 3678.88, "end": 3679.88, "text": " All right, let's wrap it up." }, { "start": 3679.88, "end": 3682.88, "text": " Is there anything else we need to talk about?" }, { "start": 3682.88, "end": 3683.88, "text": " We can talk about Paul's Photoshop feature." }, { "start": 3683.88, "end": 3684.88, "text": " That could go." }, { "start": 3684.88, "end": 3685.88, "text": " Oh, that was great." }, { "start": 3685.88, "end": 3686.88, "text": " That was really good." }, { "start": 3686.88, "end": 3687.88, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3687.88, "end": 3688.88, "text": " And you definitely should check that out." }, { "start": 3688.88, "end": 3689.88, "text": " Good job." }, { "start": 3689.88, "end": 3694.1600000000003, "text": " Good job on Paul with the Photoshop feature and great design, which I believe Photoshop" }, { "start": 3694.1600000000003, "end": 3695.92, "text": " was used to help make the design." }, { "start": 3695.92, "end": 3696.92, "text": " I think so." }, { "start": 3696.92, "end": 3699.52, "text": " Little metal, little metal, metal factoid for you." }, { "start": 3699.52, "end": 3700.52, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 3700.52, "end": 3701.52, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3701.52, "end": 3702.52, "text": " Any other stuff?" }, { "start": 3702.52, "end": 3703.52, "text": " That's about it for the week." }, { "start": 3703.52, "end": 3704.52, "text": " We're over an hour." }, { "start": 3704.52, "end": 3705.52, "text": " We're over an hour at this point." }, { "start": 3705.52, "end": 3706.52, "text": " Next week is going to be a big week." }, { "start": 3706.52, "end": 3707.52, "text": " I'll say this." }, { "start": 3707.52, "end": 3711.7599999999998, "text": " You're going to have to tune into The Verge on your television." }, { "start": 3711.7599999999998, "end": 3713.68, "text": " Tune into The Verge next week." }, { "start": 3713.68, "end": 3715.16, "text": " We have a ton of stuff." }, { "start": 3715.16, "end": 3716.7599999999998, "text": " There's this PlayStation event." }, { "start": 3716.7599999999998, "end": 3717.7599999999998, "text": " That's Wednesday." }, { "start": 3717.7599999999998, "end": 3718.7599999999998, "text": " HTC event." }, { "start": 3718.7599999999998, "end": 3719.7599999999998, "text": " Tuesday." }, { "start": 3719.7599999999998, "end": 3721.04, "text": " Oh, we didn't talk about that, but they're going to unveil their new flagship phone," }, { "start": 3721.04, "end": 3722.04, "text": " which is called-" }, { "start": 3722.04, "end": 3723.04, "text": " All signs point to that." }, { "start": 3723.04, "end": 3724.04, "text": " It's called the M7." }, { "start": 3724.04, "end": 3725.04, "text": " It's been rumored to be called the M7." }, { "start": 3725.04, "end": 3726.04, "text": " It's also been rumored like the one something." }, { "start": 3726.04, "end": 3727.04, "text": " Who is HP?" }, { "start": 3727.04, "end": 3728.04, "text": " HTC One." }, { "start": 3728.04, "end": 3729.04, "text": " HTC?" }, { "start": 3729.04, "end": 3730.04, "text": " HTC." }, { "start": 3730.04, "end": 3731.04, "text": " I said HP." }, { "start": 3731.04, "end": 3733.04, "text": " HP is not introducing a phone next week, I hope." }, { "start": 3733.04, "end": 3738.12, "text": " And we have some really cool reports and features going up that I think you guys will want to" }, { "start": 3738.12, "end": 3739.12, "text": " check out." }, { "start": 3739.12, "end": 3747.4, "text": " And if you just jam on one on your TV remote, just keep on hitting the one button." }, { "start": 3747.4, "end": 3749.7599999999998, "text": " You'll eventually get to The Verge." }, { "start": 3749.7599999999998, "end": 3750.7599999999998, "text": " You'll be on The Verge." }, { "start": 3750.7599999999998, "end": 3751.7599999999998, "text": " You'll be on The Verge." }, { "start": 3751.7599999999998, "end": 3752.7599999999998, "text": " Just keep on hitting." }, { "start": 3752.7599999999998, "end": 3753.7599999999998, "text": " Working on it." }, { "start": 3753.7599999999998, "end": 3754.7599999999998, "text": " I don't know what he's talking about, actually." }, { "start": 3754.7599999999998, "end": 3755.7599999999998, "text": " You might want to play us off." }, { "start": 3755.7599999999998, "end": 3756.7599999999998, "text": " We're not stopping." }, { "start": 3756.7599999999998, "end": 3757.7599999999998, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3757.7599999999998, "end": 3758.7599999999998, "text": " Well, that's the show for this week." }, { "start": 3758.7599999999998, "end": 3762.36, "text": " If you'd like to get in touch with us, you can email us at vergecast at theverge.com." }, { "start": 3762.36, "end": 3765.4, "text": " You can leave a comment in the post when it goes up." }, { "start": 3765.4, "end": 3768.6, "text": " You could post something in our forums, which we love." }, { "start": 3768.6, "end": 3770.1200000000003, "text": " Or you can find us on Twitter." }, { "start": 3770.1200000000003, "end": 3771.92, "text": " The Verge is at verge." }, { "start": 3771.92, "end": 3772.92, "text": " I'm Joshua Topolsky." }, { "start": 3772.92, "end": 3776.6800000000003, "text": " Ross is onorosco, no E on the end." }, { "start": 3776.6800000000003, "end": 3778.26, "text": " And Paul is future Paul." }, { "start": 3778.26, "end": 3779.92, "text": " Keep those warm wishes coming in." }, { "start": 3779.92, "end": 3781.84, "text": " He's going to be back on the internet very soon." }, { "start": 3781.84, "end": 3782.84, "text": " Only about when?" }, { "start": 3782.84, "end": 3783.84, "text": " How?" }, { "start": 3783.84, "end": 3784.84, "text": " Two months?" }, { "start": 3784.84, "end": 3785.84, "text": " Two and a half months." }, { "start": 3785.84, "end": 3786.84, "text": " Two and a half months." }, { "start": 3786.84, "end": 3788.8, "text": " Seems like it was only yesterday that you were going off the internet." }, { "start": 3788.8, "end": 3792.1200000000003, "text": " Oh, you know, and speaking of Valentine's, I realize I 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John Benjamin." }, { "start": 3837.84, "end": 3838.84, "text": " Isn't it?" }, { "start": 3838.84, "end": 3839.84, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 3839.84, "end": 3840.84, "text": " I think so." }, { "start": 3840.84, "end": 3841.84, "text": " Maybe." }, { "start": 3841.84, "end": 3842.84, "text": " Can't believe we're still doing it." }, { "start": 3842.84, "end": 3843.84, "text": " Can we wrap this up?" }, { "start": 3843.84, "end": 3844.84, "text": " That's the show." }, { "start": 3844.84, "end": 3846.2000000000003, "text": " I just want to say thank you to whoever sent that to me." }, { "start": 3846.2000000000003, "end": 3847.2000000000003, "text": " That is the best present I have received." }, { "start": 3847.2000000000003, "end": 3848.2000000000003, "text": " That's pretty cool." }, { "start": 3848.2000000000003, "end": 3850.2000000000003, "text": " I hope they weren't burned off of the internet." }, { "start": 3850.2, "end": 3852.3199999999997, "text": " Burned?" }, { "start": 3852.3199999999997, "end": 3853.3199999999997, "text": " Think about it." }, { "start": 3853.3199999999997, "end": 3854.7999999999997, "text": " Burned onto a CD from the internet." }, { "start": 3854.7999999999997, "end": 3857.2799999999997, "text": " From an internet file that was downloaded." }, { "start": 3857.2799999999997, "end": 3858.2799999999997, "text": " No." }, { "start": 3858.2799999999997, "end": 3859.2799999999997, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3859.2799999999997, "end": 3860.2799999999997, "text": " That's our show." }, { "start": 3860.2799999999997, "end": 3861.2799999999997, "text": " We'll be back next week." }, { "start": 3861.2799999999997, "end": 3864.96, "text": " And as always, I wish you and yours the very best for a happy and healthy weekend where" }, { "start": 3864.96, "end": 3889.2400000000002, "text": " nothing horrible will happen to you or your family, I'm sure." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 2.5, "text": " It's Friday, February 15th, 2013." }, { "start": 2.5, "end": 5.5, "text": " I'm David Pierce, and the word of the day is caffeine." }, { "start": 5.5, "end": 7.7, "text": " This is 90 Seconds on the Verge, brought to you by Motorola." }, { "start": 7.7, "end": 10.200000000000001, "text": " A meteorite exploded above Russia early this morning." }, { "start": 10.200000000000001, "end": 14.3, "text": " Residents have posted numerous YouTube videos showing objects streaking across the sky," }, { "start": 14.3, "end": 17.2, "text": " accompanied by a series of massive blasts and blinding light." }, { "start": 17.2, "end": 20, "text": " The incident occurred about 1500 kilometers east of Moscow." }, { "start": 20, "end": 23, "text": " According to reports, as many as 1200 people may have been injured" }, { "start": 23, "end": 25.5, "text": " as windows and glass shattered after the explosion." }, { "start": 25.5, "end": 29.6, "text": " The Russian Academy of Science estimates that the meteorite may have weighed as much as 10 tons" }, { "start": 29.6, "end": 31.3, "text": " before entering Earth's atmosphere." }, { "start": 31.3, "end": 35.6, "text": " And in somehow unrelated space news, there's another rock headed our way." }, { "start": 35.6, "end": 41.400000000000006, "text": " An asteroid known as 2012 DA14 is passing within about 17,000 miles of Earth today." }, { "start": 41.400000000000006, "end": 44.6, "text": " It's the closest pass we've ever seen for an object of its size." }, { "start": 44.6, "end": 51.400000000000006, "text": " At approximately 164 feet across, it's equivalent to the rock that was responsible for the Tunguska blast of 1908." }, { "start": 51.400000000000006, "end": 55.7, "text": " You won't be able to see it with the naked eye, but the Flyby is streaming live online right now." }, { "start": 55.7, "end": 59.1, "text": " Unless you're watching this over the weekend, in which case there's always YouTube." }, { "start": 59.1, "end": 61.6, "text": " And finally, what's a week without more Star Wars rumors?" }, { "start": 61.6, "end": 64.4, "text": " Harrison Ford is reportedly set to return as Han Solo." }, { "start": 64.4, "end": 70.2, "text": " Latino Review is reporting that the actor will be playing a version of his smuggler character in Star Wars Episode VII." }, { "start": 70.2, "end": 71.8, "text": " We're guessing a much older one." }, { "start": 71.8, "end": 74.9, "text": " The news hasn't been confirmed by either Lucasfilm or Disney just yet," }, { "start": 74.9, "end": 78.3, "text": " but rumors have been swirling that the actor was interested in reprising his role." }, { "start": 78.3, "end": 79.2, "text": " I love you!" }, { "start": 79.2, "end": 80.2, "text": " I know." }, { "start": 80.2, "end": 81.9, "text": " And that's it for today's top stories." }, { "start": 81.9, "end": 85.4, "text": " Join us next week, when I'll spend every episode learning how to square dance." }, { "start": 85.4, "end": 89.2, "text": " It's really underrated and a lot harder than you might think." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 2.8000000000000003, "text": " It's Thursday, February 14th, 2013." }, { "start": 2.8000000000000003, "end": 5.3, "text": " I'm Ross Miller, and as long as I've got my suit and tie," }, { "start": 5.3, "end": 6.9, "text": " this is 90 seconds on the verge." }, { "start": 6.9, "end": 11.1, "text": " Tesla Motors CEO Elon Musk has taken issue with a negative New York Times report," }, { "start": 11.1, "end": 13.4, "text": " and he's got some serious tasks to back up his claim." }, { "start": 13.4, "end": 17.8, "text": " In a lengthy blog post today, Musk released data logs from the Model S used by the Times." }, { "start": 17.8, "end": 21, "text": " Data that Musk claimed shows the writer lied about his experience" }, { "start": 21, "end": 23.8, "text": " in an effort to portray the electric car in a negative light." }, { "start": 23.8, "end": 25.900000000000002, "text": " The Times so far is standing by its report." }, { "start": 25.9, "end": 30.7, "text": " Meanwhile, Musk also says Tesla does not record user data logs without written permission." }, { "start": 30.7, "end": 34.2, "text": " Turns out Apple's latest iPhone update has a rather nasty vulnerability." }, { "start": 34.2, "end": 38.8, "text": " A security flaw in iOS 6.1 lets anyone bypass your iPhone password lock" }, { "start": 38.8, "end": 42.099999999999994, "text": " and edit your contacts, check your voicemail, and look through your photos." }, { "start": 42.099999999999994, "end": 43, "text": " Apple says it'll quote," }, { "start": 43, "end": 45.3, "text": " deliver a fix in a future software update." }, { "start": 45.3, "end": 47.7, "text": " At least your sexting and Snapchat messages are safe." }, { "start": 47.7, "end": 50.599999999999994, "text": " Finally, it's a bird, it's a plane," }, { "start": 50.599999999999994, "end": 55, "text": " it is Ender's Game author and vocal gay rights opponent Orson Scott Card." }, { "start": 55, "end": 59.4, "text": " DC Comics is under fire this week after Card was selected as one of several guest writers" }, { "start": 59.4, "end": 62.6, "text": " for a new digital anthology, The Adventures of Superman." }, { "start": 62.6, "end": 65.8, "text": " Card is on the board of directors of the National Organization for Marriage," }, { "start": 65.8, "end": 69.3, "text": " a nonprofit that opposes same-sex legislation and gay adoption." }, { "start": 69.3, "end": 71.4, "text": " A DC spokesperson has defended his choice" }, { "start": 71.4, "end": 74.9, "text": " and notes that Card's personal views are not those of the company itself." }, { "start": 74.9, "end": 78.9, "text": " Just remember, Superman serves and protects everyone, regardless of their beliefs." }, { "start": 78.9, "end": 81.2, "text": " Also, he likes blue tights." }, { "start": 81.2, "end": 82.8, "text": " That's it for today's top stories." }, { "start": 82.8, "end": 85.7, "text": " Coming up tomorrow, strange news from another Stark." }, { "start": 85.7, "end": 115.60000000000001, "text": " The Iron Man Musical." } ]

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[ { "start": 0, "end": 4.48, "text": " It's Wednesday, February 13th, 2013. I'm Dan Seifert, and this is 90 seconds on the" }, { "start": 4.48, "end": 8.2, "text": " Verge, brought to you by the semi-aquatic North American River Otter." }, { "start": 8.2, "end": 11.56, "text": " Last night, President Obama gave his annual State of the Union address, and technology" }, { "start": 11.56, "end": 15.64, "text": " was on his mind. The president called for further investment in science and technology," }, { "start": 15.64, "end": 19.6, "text": " saying quote, now is the time to reach a level of research and development not seen since" }, { "start": 19.6, "end": 23.78, "text": " the height of the space race. He also announced a much-anticipated executive order intended" }, { "start": 23.78, "end": 25.84, "text": " to address cybersecurity threats." }, { "start": 25.84, "end": 29.400000000000002, "text": " In return, Congress reintroduced the controversial Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection" }, { "start": 29.4, "end": 35, "text": " Act today. That bill originally stalled in the Senate last year, but we'll see what" }, { "start": 35, "end": 36.839999999999996, "text": " happens this time around." }, { "start": 36.839999999999996, "end": 41.08, "text": " It looks like HP is getting back into mobile, and it's using Android. According to Read" }, { "start": 41.08, "end": 44.64, "text": " Right, Hewlett Packard is currently working on an Android-powered tablet. The company" }, { "start": 44.64, "end": 48.36, "text": " is also considering adding smartphones to the mix, despite its failure with webOS smartphones" }, { "start": 48.36, "end": 52.54, "text": " and tablets two years ago. At last, we'll finally have some choices when it comes to" }, { "start": 52.54, "end": 54.08, "text": " Android devices." }, { "start": 54.08, "end": 57.94, "text": " Finally, gaming company Valve is looking to shake up your living room, but it's going" }, { "start": 57.94, "end": 62.36, "text": " through some internal changes as well. Last night, engineer Jerry Ellsworth took to Twitter" }, { "start": 62.36, "end": 66, "text": " to announce that she'd been fired. Ellsworth was known to be working on controllers for" }, { "start": 66, "end": 70.78, "text": " Valve's so-called Steam Box devices. Valve traditionally doesn't fire staff, but Ellsworth" }, { "start": 70.78, "end": 74.62, "text": " is said to be one of up to 25 different people that were let go in what one employee called" }, { "start": 74.62, "end": 79.03999999999999, "text": " a quote, great cleansing. While Valve has yet to confirm the layoffs, at least eight" }, { "start": 79.03999999999999, "end": 82.12, "text": " people have disappeared from its online staff directory." }, { "start": 82.12, "end": 86.52, "text": " And that's it for today's top stories. Coming up tomorrow, faux-pop patterns for your LED" }, { "start": 86.52, "end": 88.2, "text": " screen. Don't overblink, people." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 5.68, "text": " It's Tuesday, February 12th, 2013. I'm Stephen Greenwood and this is 90 seconds on the verge," }, { "start": 5.68, "end": 7.48, "text": " brought to you by the color orange." }, { "start": 7.48, "end": 11.84, "text": " A mysterious metallic-like object seen on the surface of Mars appears to be nothing" }, { "start": 11.84, "end": 16.18, "text": " at all. Last month the Curiosity rover took a picture of what looked like a metal door" }, { "start": 16.18, "end": 20.56, "text": " handle jutting out from the Martian bedrock. A scientist affiliated with the NASA mission," }, { "start": 20.56, "end": 25.12, "text": " however, has said that it's likely just a rock polished to a high sheen by wind. Come" }, { "start": 25.12, "end": 29.64, "text": " on. There's no way we'd find the secret Martian hatch until Curiosity Season 2." }, { "start": 29.64, "end": 34.28, "text": " Intel will be launching an internet TV device later this year. General manager Eric Huggers" }, { "start": 34.28, "end": 39, "text": " confirmed that the company will be launching a set-top box with, quote, beautiful industrial" }, { "start": 39, "end": 44.24, "text": " design. Intel's box will also have a built-in camera. The camera could be used to provide" }, { "start": 44.24, "end": 49.36, "text": " personalized show recommendations or let viewers sync up across the world for a, quote," }, { "start": 49.36, "end": 54.08, "text": " real social experience. So change out of those pajamas and get off the couch." }, { "start": 54.08, "end": 59.16, "text": " And finally, Comcast has announced that it will assume full ownership of NBC Universal." }, { "start": 59.16, "end": 64.11999999999999, "text": " The company is buying out the 49% of the media conglomerate currently owned by GE, which" }, { "start": 64.11999999999999, "end": 70.75999999999999, "text": " will give Comcast 100% ownership. The cost? A cool $16.7 billion. Comcast is also throwing" }, { "start": 70.75999999999999, "end": 76.24, "text": " in another $1.4 billion to pick up the properties at Rockefeller Plaza in New York and CNBC's" }, { "start": 76.24, "end": 80.36, "text": " headquarters in New Jersey. Silly Comcast, you're supposed to pick up Rockefeller Plaza" }, { "start": 80.36, "end": 82.56, "text": " before 30 Rock goes off the air." }, { "start": 82.56, "end": 86.56, "text": " And that's it for today's top stories. Coming up tomorrow, meet the first Muppet AI that" }, { "start": 86.56, "end": 89.4, "text": " passed the Turing test in song." } ]

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top." }, { "start": 81.7, "end": 86.36, "text": " Isn't London weather a lot like Pacific Northwest weather?" }, { "start": 86.36, "end": 88.44, "text": " You never get super cold in the winter, right?" }, { "start": 88.44, "end": 90.44, "text": " And you don't get a ton of snow?" }, { "start": 90.44, "end": 97.28, "text": " Right, but if you live here long enough, temperatures like zero degrees do tend to feel super cold" }, { "start": 97.28, "end": 98.28, "text": " to you anyway." }, { "start": 98.28, "end": 99.28, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 99.28, "end": 105.44, "text": " Zero Celsius, not freedom units." }, { "start": 105.44, "end": 108.28, "text": " Zero degree commie units." }, { "start": 108.28, "end": 110.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 110.28, "end": 115.92, "text": " Yeah, it's like 41 freedom units here today, so it's actually pretty warm, but I'm still" }, { "start": 115.92, "end": 118.04, "text": " freezing for whatever reason." }, { "start": 118.04, "end": 125, "text": " That's 29 here, and somebody is moving out of my building, so the door in the lobby has" }, { "start": 125, "end": 131.2, "text": " been open all day, and there's just this continual blast of 30 degree air coming into my unit" }, { "start": 131.2, "end": 133.08, "text": " through the cracks in the door." }, { "start": 133.08, "end": 140.2, "text": " So if I either die or start shivering uncontrollably during the episode, that's why." }, { "start": 140.2, "end": 141.76, "text": " I'll do it." }, { "start": 141.76, "end": 144.88, "text": " I'm way ahead of you." }, { "start": 144.88, "end": 149.96, "text": " Every single door that leads out of my apartment I've covered up with towels." }, { "start": 149.96, "end": 154, "text": " Wait, I thought they were called flats there." }, { "start": 154, "end": 156.92, "text": " What's the difference between a flat and an apartment?" }, { "start": 156.92, "end": 163.2, "text": " The difference is me choosing words." }, { "start": 163.2, "end": 165.48, "text": " There's no technical difference." }, { "start": 165.48, "end": 166.48, "text": " It's Vlad's mood." }, { "start": 166.48, "end": 167.48, "text": " No, no difference whatsoever." }, { "start": 167.48, "end": 174.64, "text": " The other thing is that there's also split level flats, so it's no longer technically" }, { "start": 174.64, "end": 179.2, "text": " just a flat piece of property." }, { "start": 179.2, "end": 182.6, "text": " So do you know what a Maisonette is?" }, { "start": 182.6, "end": 184.6, "text": " I'm not familiar with a Maisonette." }, { "start": 184.6, "end": 186.64, "text": " I know what a Raisonette is." }, { "start": 186.64, "end": 187.64, "text": " A Raisonette?" }, { "start": 187.64, "end": 188.64, "text": " Yeah, I've had Raisonettes before." }, { "start": 188.64, "end": 189.64, "text": " No, a Maisonette." }, { "start": 189.64, "end": 190.64, "text": " Maisonette." }, { "start": 190.64, "end": 193.48, "text": " No, I've not had a Maisonette." }, { "start": 193.48, "end": 195.48, "text": " I'm sure I'm mispronouncing it." }, { "start": 195.48, "end": 202.72, "text": " It's when you have your own entrance to the street into your apartment or your flat." }, { "start": 202.72, "end": 205.72, "text": " Well Maison is French for house, right?" }, { "start": 205.72, "end": 208.56, "text": " Yeah, Maisonette being like a small house." }, { "start": 208.56, "end": 209.56, "text": " A little house." }, { "start": 209.56, "end": 211.12, "text": " A little house." }, { "start": 211.12, "end": 213.04, "text": " And there's your French lesson for the day." }, { "start": 213.04, "end": 214.52, "text": " There is your French lesson for the day." }, { "start": 214.52, "end": 219.32, "text": " Here's a question, how do you say mobile in French?" }, { "start": 219.32, "end": 221.28, "text": " It's not handy, that's German." }, { "start": 221.28, "end": 222.84, "text": " Le mobile?" }, { "start": 222.84, "end": 226.68, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 226.68, "end": 230.48, "text": " I'd say let's ask our chat room, but sigh." }, { "start": 230.48, "end": 231.96, "text": " Unfortunately." }, { "start": 231.96, "end": 234.20000000000002, "text": " No more chats." }, { "start": 234.20000000000002, "end": 238.04000000000002, "text": " So I guess let's talk about the news." }, { "start": 238.04000000000002, "end": 240, "text": " What little news there is in the middle of the world." }, { "start": 240, "end": 243.88, "text": " We're in this no man's land right now." }, { "start": 243.88, "end": 250.28, "text": " I think I've said this the past couple of episodes 35s that we're in between major events." }, { "start": 250.28, "end": 254.88, "text": " There aren't really any major announcements that are happening because everyone's saving" }, { "start": 254.88, "end": 257.72, "text": " it for their own event or for MWC or whatever." }, { "start": 257.72, "end": 262.52000000000004, "text": " So it's like this kind of rumor land that we live in." }, { "start": 262.52000000000004, "end": 266.58000000000004, "text": " And let's get right off with it with rumors." }, { "start": 266.58000000000004, "end": 272.6, "text": " This week we saw another M7 image come out." }, { "start": 272.6, "end": 277.96000000000004, "text": " Which I don't know if we wrote about it, but it is very similar to the first alleged M7" }, { "start": 277.96000000000004, "end": 282.32000000000005, "text": " device that we saw hit the internet a few weeks ago." }, { "start": 282.32, "end": 288.08, "text": " Which looks very similar to an iPhone 5 and it's got two grills on the front of it that" }, { "start": 288.08, "end": 290.74, "text": " appear to be speakers of some sort." }, { "start": 290.74, "end": 298.48, "text": " And it completely contradicts the second set of pictures that looked more like an HTC 8X." }, { "start": 298.48, "end": 303.08, "text": " So there's kind of like some drama going on here with these rumors." }, { "start": 303.08, "end": 309.96, "text": " You know I have to say, you mentioned the first rumor slash leak looking like an iPhone" }, { "start": 309.96, "end": 310.96, "text": " 5." }, { "start": 310.96, "end": 317.44, "text": " I think I said it first as well, but then Josh said, hey that looks kind of like a Z10" }, { "start": 317.44, "end": 318.96, "text": " and I totally see it." }, { "start": 318.96, "end": 323.91999999999996, "text": " Now that I, because I've seen pictures of the white Z10 and I totally see it." }, { "start": 323.91999999999996, "end": 329.2, "text": " Yeah, well I mean, a lot of people say the Z10 look like the iPhone 5." }, { "start": 329.2, "end": 331.2, "text": " Yes, that's a quick minute." }, { "start": 331.2, "end": 338.15999999999997, "text": " At this point I think we're kind of way over analyzing this." }, { "start": 338.16, "end": 345.12, "text": " Like the big slabs of glass with plastic or metal or some other materials around the side." }, { "start": 345.12, "end": 353.20000000000005, "text": " I mean I find this, the one with big vents or the big openings out front, speaker holes" }, { "start": 353.20000000000005, "end": 358.44000000000005, "text": " or whatever they are, fascinating because usually you can have those big ones for the" }, { "start": 358.44000000000005, "end": 359.44000000000005, "text": " earpiece." }, { "start": 359.44000000000005, "end": 365.04, "text": " Most of the time you only need like a small space for the earpiece." }, { "start": 365.04, "end": 371.08000000000004, "text": " But HTC in particular loves to do like a whole horizontal bar of perforations." }, { "start": 371.08000000000004, "end": 374.96000000000004, "text": " But having that at the top and at the bottom of the phone, first of all makes it kind of" }, { "start": 374.96000000000004, "end": 380.04, "text": " more symmetrical, which might not be a good thing for recognizing which way it's up." }, { "start": 380.04, "end": 382.84000000000003, "text": " But then also it's like quite weird and random." }, { "start": 382.84000000000003, "end": 383.84000000000003, "text": " I mean what are we looking at here?" }, { "start": 383.84000000000003, "end": 394.92, "text": " Is this going to be like a stereo speaker setup, like a big multimedia device?" }, { "start": 394.92, "end": 395.92, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 395.92, "end": 403.04, "text": " Or is somebody just going to mirror the top in Photoshop?" }, { "start": 403.04, "end": 410.08000000000004, "text": " I still think there's at least a chance that it's going to end up looking like the second." }, { "start": 410.08000000000004, "end": 412.76, "text": " I mean who knows?" }, { "start": 412.76, "end": 417.38, "text": " Many of our listeners are probably familiar with this Twitter account, EvLeaks, which" }, { "start": 417.38, "end": 426.92, "text": " has established itself as one of the predominant leakers of phones on the internet." }, { "start": 426.92, "end": 432.8, "text": " And that account is saying that the original image is accurate." }, { "start": 432.8, "end": 434.64, "text": " It's so weird to me." }, { "start": 434.64, "end": 440.58, "text": " It's such a dramatic departure from what I'm used to HTC devices looking like, whereas" }, { "start": 440.58, "end": 444.08, "text": " the other one is less of a departure." }, { "start": 444.08, "end": 455.2, "text": " But hey, I mean after Samsung's intentional, very intentional deception leading up to the" }, { "start": 455.2, "end": 458.08, "text": " launch of the GS3, I would believe anything at this point." }, { "start": 458.08, "end": 462.08, "text": " Yes, that's true." }, { "start": 462.08, "end": 470.03999999999996, "text": " Which actually reminds me, Samsung's launch of the Galaxy S3, this was perhaps the best" }, { "start": 470.04, "end": 477.24, "text": " kept secret, so the Android flagship devices for a long time, Galaxy S3." }, { "start": 477.24, "end": 481.6, "text": " And then in the actual launch event, they quite naturally had people walking around" }, { "start": 481.6, "end": 487.52000000000004, "text": " with the phone in their hands, trying to be discreet, but still carrying the Galaxy S3" }, { "start": 487.52000000000004, "end": 493.48, "text": " around at the launch event before they announced it, which to me was just such a dumb move." }, { "start": 493.48, "end": 500.20000000000005, "text": " Because like you say Chris, I can't remember the misinformation being spread so nicely" }, { "start": 500.20000000000005, "end": 503.98, "text": " and so well as Samsung did with the Galaxy S3." }, { "start": 503.98, "end": 509.24, "text": " We had at least three borderline credible looks." }, { "start": 509.24, "end": 517.08, "text": " I mean it was still, again, a big slab of glass with plastic or metal around the sides" }, { "start": 517.08, "end": 518.08, "text": " of it." }, { "start": 518.08, "end": 521.32, "text": " And maybe I'm just being jaded, maybe it's the code or maybe whatever it is, but I'm" }, { "start": 521.32, "end": 522.32, "text": " with Dan." }, { "start": 522.32, "end": 529.4000000000001, "text": " Like this is such an underwhelming period in our lives, in the calendar." }, { "start": 529.4000000000001, "end": 531.32, "text": " Nothing is thrilling or exciting." }, { "start": 531.32, "end": 533.48, "text": " What do you want a phone to look like, Vlad?" }, { "start": 533.48, "end": 535.5200000000001, "text": " Do you want it to be like the Beats logo?" }, { "start": 535.5200000000001, "end": 537.88, "text": " Do you want HTC to make like a giant bee?" }, { "start": 537.88, "end": 539.36, "text": " Would that satisfy you?" }, { "start": 539.36, "end": 550.44, "text": " No, but here's a good example for me, which is the Lenovo hybrid device, whose name escapes" }, { "start": 550.44, "end": 553.36, "text": " you at the moment." }, { "start": 553.36, "end": 554.36, "text": " The Yoga?" }, { "start": 554.36, "end": 555.36, "text": " Not the Yoga." }, { "start": 555.36, "end": 559.44, "text": " It's a tablet that plugs in and becomes a laptop." }, { "start": 559.44, "end": 566, "text": " And you can essentially slot in the tablet one way and it's a laptop, slot it in the" }, { "start": 566, "end": 568.2, "text": " other way and it's a really thick tablet." }, { "start": 568.2, "end": 570, "text": " Again, it works with keyboard." }, { "start": 570, "end": 573.12, "text": " It was something they showed off at CES." }, { "start": 573.12, "end": 578.48, "text": " Again, hybrid devices, we've had them before and we've seen things like the Yoga and the" }, { "start": 578.48, "end": 583.4, "text": " Asus Tai Chi, which is one of those things that was announced like eight or nine months" }, { "start": 583.4, "end": 588.4, "text": " ago, way back in Computex last year and still isn't really on sale anywhere." }, { "start": 588.4, "end": 594.76, "text": " So we've had all of these hybrid devices with laptops and yet this, the Helix, that's one." }, { "start": 594.76, "end": 596.32, "text": " Think that Helix." }, { "start": 596.32, "end": 600.76, "text": " And yet the Helix still feels very much fresh." }, { "start": 600.76, "end": 601.76, "text": " It is doing something original." }, { "start": 601.76, "end": 606.4, "text": " It is doing something wholly new and I really enjoyed it." }, { "start": 606.4, "end": 611.72, "text": " I'm not sure that it would necessarily improve my life all that much, but I just enjoyed" }, { "start": 611.72, "end": 612.72, "text": " the novelty of it." }, { "start": 612.72, "end": 614.92, "text": " So, and that's the other thing." }, { "start": 614.92, "end": 618.16, "text": " You asked me how do you expect a phone to look." }, { "start": 618.16, "end": 623.84, "text": " Well there's nothing inherent in a phone, whether it be a smartphone or any other mobile" }, { "start": 623.84, "end": 627.9599999999999, "text": " device that says it needs to have a screen or it needs to have a massive screen or it" }, { "start": 627.9599999999999, "end": 629.4, "text": " needs to be dominated by a screen." }, { "start": 629.4, "end": 636.1999999999999, "text": " Like you could use a 3 inch screen and then do something else with the rest of it." }, { "start": 636.2, "end": 638.4000000000001, "text": " And you would have like a Blackberry from 2006." }, { "start": 638.4000000000001, "end": 642.5200000000001, "text": " Well I didn't say stick a freaking keyboard on it." }, { "start": 642.5200000000001, "end": 644.32, "text": " But like what else would you do?" }, { "start": 644.32, "end": 647.32, "text": " If you, I mean like even, I'm not." }, { "start": 647.32, "end": 653.0400000000001, "text": " Just to be clear Dan, a Blackberry from 2006 and a Blackberry from 2012, no difference." }, { "start": 653.0400000000001, "end": 658.08, "text": " There's no point in like citing an older date." }, { "start": 658.08, "end": 662.1600000000001, "text": " You said you could shrink the screen down to like three inches or something absurd." }, { "start": 662.16, "end": 668.4, "text": " Like I would love to see somebody smarter than I come up with a smartphone form factor" }, { "start": 668.4, "end": 673.88, "text": " that isn't just a giant screen wrapped in plastic or metal." }, { "start": 673.88, "end": 675.1999999999999, "text": " I don't know what that would look like." }, { "start": 675.1999999999999, "end": 677.6, "text": " It would be kind of weird." }, { "start": 677.6, "end": 685.4599999999999, "text": " Obviously the form of these things or the necessity to have a display like that kind" }, { "start": 685.4599999999999, "end": 690.88, "text": " of dictates how much you can do with the design and the fact that people want them thin and" }, { "start": 690.88, "end": 695.52, "text": " light and you know, such and such." }, { "start": 695.52, "end": 703.8, "text": " I think that the last design that really blew me away was when Nokia released the N9 and" }, { "start": 703.8, "end": 708.36, "text": " then they've been using that design language for the Lumia series since then." }, { "start": 708.36, "end": 713.28, "text": " That was the last hardware design where I was like whoa, that's some really awesome" }, { "start": 713.28, "end": 716.52, "text": " hardware design that actually looks different, it feels different, it's just a different" }, { "start": 716.52, "end": 717.52, "text": " experience." }, { "start": 717.52, "end": 726.72, "text": " The one that really blew me away was the Sony Tablet P which I just Googled and Amazon is" }, { "start": 726.72, "end": 729, "text": " selling it right now for $275." }, { "start": 729, "end": 731.76, "text": " Man, that's a deal." }, { "start": 731.76, "end": 732.76, "text": " I know, right?" }, { "start": 732.76, "end": 735.04, "text": " Like that's not much more than a Nexus 7." }, { "start": 735.04, "end": 737.6, "text": " Is that still running like Honeycomb?" }, { "start": 737.6, "end": 738.6, "text": " It's running 3.2." }, { "start": 738.6, "end": 739.6, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 739.6, "end": 740.6, "text": " Okay, that was such a hardcore throw." }, { "start": 740.6, "end": 741.6, "text": " I think we should just let Crystal run fast six right now and get that out of time." }, { "start": 741.6, "end": 756.9200000000001, "text": " There has been an upswell of desire for people to hear us talk about fast six." }, { "start": 756.9200000000001, "end": 758.72, "text": " Well I mean, what is there to say?" }, { "start": 758.72, "end": 761.72, "text": " I mean, just sit back, relax." }, { "start": 761.72, "end": 764.16, "text": " I watched that trailer." }, { "start": 764.16, "end": 767.1600000000001, "text": " And you want to see the movie, right?" }, { "start": 767.16, "end": 775.88, "text": " Well, I pretty much know the entire script of the movie, weak and flaky and not as inconsequential" }, { "start": 775.88, "end": 776.88, "text": " as it is." }, { "start": 776.88, "end": 779.12, "text": " Vlad, you're looking at it completely wrong." }, { "start": 779.12, "end": 786.0799999999999, "text": " I mean if you're looking for great dialogue and a great script and a non-predictable storyline," }, { "start": 786.0799999999999, "end": 788.68, "text": " I mean you're not looking at fast six." }, { "start": 788.68, "end": 792.92, "text": " But if you're looking just like for a great movie that's going to be awesome on every" }, { "start": 792.92, "end": 799.64, "text": " other level and have explosions and the Rock or Vin Diesel driving out of an aircraft carrier" }, { "start": 799.64, "end": 804, "text": " of some sort, then fast six is where it's at." }, { "start": 804, "end": 810.36, "text": " Dan, I would challenge you on the not interesting or complicated plot thing." }, { "start": 810.36, "end": 815.1999999999999, "text": " I think that this is actually going to be one of the most intellectual movies of 2013." }, { "start": 815.1999999999999, "end": 816.1999999999999, "text": " And I'll tell you why." }, { "start": 816.1999999999999, "end": 817.8, "text": " I'll tell you why." }, { "start": 817.8, "end": 823.1999999999999, "text": " Because when you watch them hook a cable, like they're driving along, right?" }, { "start": 823.1999999999999, "end": 830.4799999999999, "text": " They hook a cable or something from the car to the giant cargo aircraft and somehow pull" }, { "start": 830.4799999999999, "end": 833.3199999999999, "text": " the wing down and cause it to crash." }, { "start": 833.3199999999999, "end": 838.4, "text": " And then Vin Diesel, of course, comes out of the front of the plane." }, { "start": 838.4, "end": 845.0999999999999, "text": " Breaking down the physics of exactly how this car was able to cause this aircraft to crash" }, { "start": 845.1, "end": 850.52, "text": " is going to take physicists generations to compute and flesh out." }, { "start": 850.52, "end": 857.4, "text": " There's going to be major thesis papers written on the physics used in fast six." }, { "start": 857.4, "end": 858.4, "text": " I love that justification." }, { "start": 858.4, "end": 863.4, "text": " Fast six is going to stimulate scientific progress." }, { "start": 863.4, "end": 869.6800000000001, "text": " But it will grind to proof by policy for how the hell they managed to make those stunts" }, { "start": 869.6800000000001, "end": 870.6800000000001, "text": " happen." }, { "start": 870.6800000000001, "end": 872.64, "text": " Yes, finally you guys see it my way." }, { "start": 872.64, "end": 876.3199999999999, "text": " That really does make me sad." }, { "start": 876.3199999999999, "end": 882.24, "text": " I had the same complaint about the fifth one, Fast and the Furious Five or Fast Five or" }, { "start": 882.24, "end": 885.24, "text": " whatever you want to call it." }, { "start": 885.24, "end": 892.52, "text": " Which is that Vin Diesel is aging now and he hasn't actually had his shirt off in a" }, { "start": 892.52, "end": 896, "text": " movie for a very long time." }, { "start": 896, "end": 900.84, "text": " And he's not the same imposing presence that he was back in the days of Pitch Black and" }, { "start": 900.84, "end": 902.56, "text": " his Pete." }, { "start": 902.56, "end": 904.68, "text": " He bulked up for the sixth one." }, { "start": 904.68, "end": 906.2399999999999, "text": " If you look at the three works." }, { "start": 906.2399999999999, "end": 911.56, "text": " He's not cleanly bulked up." }, { "start": 911.56, "end": 916.4, "text": " He's still like half the size of the Rock." }, { "start": 916.4, "end": 917.4, "text": " He's pretty big." }, { "start": 917.4, "end": 923.4799999999999, "text": " To me, it's kind of cheap because the Rock is kept in shape." }, { "start": 923.4799999999999, "end": 929.56, "text": " If he goes and fights somebody I can credit that and expect some fireworks." }, { "start": 929.56, "end": 932.76, "text": " But Vin Diesel is kind of like, I'm just still keeping big." }, { "start": 932.76, "end": 935.88, "text": " I'm still filling out a shirt here." }, { "start": 935.88, "end": 940.0799999999999, "text": " I'm hoping you guys still remember when I was fit." }, { "start": 940.0799999999999, "end": 947.5999999999999, "text": " But all I'm saying is that if you encountered Vin Diesel in a bar and he took a beer bottle" }, { "start": 947.5999999999999, "end": 951.3199999999999, "text": " and cracked it on the bar and came at you." }, { "start": 951.3199999999999, "end": 952.3199999999999, "text": " You would probably..." }, { "start": 952.3199999999999, "end": 953.3199999999999, "text": " Oh yes, a dude with a weapon." }, { "start": 953.3199999999999, "end": 955.4399999999999, "text": " Yes, I would be afraid." }, { "start": 955.44, "end": 960.8800000000001, "text": " No, even with his bare hands you would probably wet yourself." }, { "start": 960.8800000000001, "end": 962.1600000000001, "text": " Is my guess." }, { "start": 962.1600000000001, "end": 963.1600000000001, "text": " I would." }, { "start": 963.1600000000001, "end": 968.48, "text": " I would start joking very intensively in the opposite direction." }, { "start": 968.48, "end": 969.48, "text": " Well there you go." }, { "start": 969.48, "end": 975.5200000000001, "text": " Yeah, look, I'm just saying that I think that all of our viewers should see this movie." }, { "start": 975.5200000000001, "end": 977.5400000000001, "text": " I think it's a very important movie." }, { "start": 977.5400000000001, "end": 982.24, "text": " And frankly, it's a movie that we're going to discuss a lot over the coming weeks." }, { "start": 982.24, "end": 988.32, "text": " It's a really important movie in the canon of our culture and our time." }, { "start": 988.32, "end": 993.36, "text": " I think it's going to really grab that and speak to us and speak to this generation." }, { "start": 993.36, "end": 994.36, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 994.36, "end": 995.36, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 995.36, "end": 996.96, "text": " I'm full group with you guys." }, { "start": 996.96, "end": 1002.52, "text": " As soon as we do episode 36 is when we stop talking about episode 36." }, { "start": 1002.52, "end": 1007.8, "text": " But it's not much different than episode 35." }, { "start": 1007.8, "end": 1015.0799999999999, "text": " Also for our viewers who are trying to catch up with the series, my standard recommendation" }, { "start": 1015.0799999999999, "end": 1023.16, "text": " is that you watch 1, 2, 4, and 5 and then save Tokyo Drift for a separate viewing." }, { "start": 1023.16, "end": 1027.84, "text": " I can't tell you why that's important without spoiling anything." }, { "start": 1027.84, "end": 1031.8, "text": " But just know that you want to watch Tokyo Drift last." }, { "start": 1031.8, "end": 1038.12, "text": " Yeah, 1, 2, 4, 5, and then watch 6 and then go back and watch Tokyo Drift." }, { "start": 1038.12, "end": 1042.44, "text": " You'll have a very positive Fast and Furious experience." }, { "start": 1042.44, "end": 1049.6, "text": " I keep thinking this is a joke and then Chris carries on talking about the damn movie." }, { "start": 1049.6, "end": 1050.6, "text": " It's a fantastic series." }, { "start": 1050.6, "end": 1052.1399999999999, "text": " Well, I can tell you this." }, { "start": 1052.1399999999999, "end": 1059.8, "text": " If you do the, as Chris recommended, 1, 2, 4, 5, and you watch 3 afterwards, that jump" }, { "start": 1059.8, "end": 1066.36, "text": " from 2 to 4, you're not going to be lost when you get to movie 4 because you haven't seen" }, { "start": 1066.36, "end": 1067.9199999999998, "text": " Tokyo Drift yet." }, { "start": 1067.9199999999998, "end": 1072.04, "text": " Now, it's not exactly going to the ranks here." }, { "start": 1072.04, "end": 1078.56, "text": " The narrative depth and the character depth aren't all that challenging." }, { "start": 1078.56, "end": 1081.56, "text": " It's a stunt stuff with a challenge." }, { "start": 1081.56, "end": 1083.12, "text": " But let's actually bring it back." }, { "start": 1083.12, "end": 1087.12, "text": " We were just talking about form factors and innovation." }, { "start": 1087.12, "end": 1094.32, "text": " LG today released the specs for its new Optimus L Series 2." }, { "start": 1094.32, "end": 1098, "text": " It's such an exciting innovation." }, { "start": 1098, "end": 1103.84, "text": " But I managed to drag down some photos and they have a rainbow color around the home" }, { "start": 1103.84, "end": 1104.84, "text": " screen." }, { "start": 1104.84, "end": 1105.84, "text": " It can be rainbow-y." }, { "start": 1105.84, "end": 1110.1999999999998, "text": " Well, basically they have LED lights around the home button." }, { "start": 1110.1999999999998, "end": 1111.56, "text": " That's what I'm trying to say." }, { "start": 1111.56, "end": 1113.12, "text": " So you can have a rainbow pattern." }, { "start": 1113.12, "end": 1116.7199999999998, "text": " You can have a red, a yellow, whatever else." }, { "start": 1116.72, "end": 1123.44, "text": " So that's the Optimus L Series 2 coming to MWC." }, { "start": 1123.44, "end": 1124.44, "text": " It's exciting stuff." }, { "start": 1124.44, "end": 1125.44, "text": " Yay!" }, { "start": 1125.44, "end": 1131.08, "text": " Guys, I just want to say it right now." }, { "start": 1131.08, "end": 1134.6000000000001, "text": " I don't want to be the guy who just takes photos and pretends to be excited about these" }, { "start": 1134.6000000000001, "end": 1137.1200000000001, "text": " things at MWC." }, { "start": 1137.1200000000001, "end": 1142.96, "text": " Well you know, I think we've kind of had a few discussions about this among members of" }, { "start": 1142.96, "end": 1144.32, "text": " the team in the past few days." }, { "start": 1144.32, "end": 1151.6, "text": " The fact that I think that this MWC, it's kind of going in the same direction as CES." }, { "start": 1151.6, "end": 1156.6799999999998, "text": " The premier manufacturers want to have their own events to launch their flagship devices." }, { "start": 1156.6799999999998, "end": 1158.9199999999998, "text": " We're seeing HTC do it later this month." }, { "start": 1158.9199999999998, "end": 1164.56, "text": " Samsung obviously is going to do it next week, I think." }, { "start": 1164.56, "end": 1169.48, "text": " So that kind of opens the door at MWC for interesting new trends to emerge." }, { "start": 1169.48, "end": 1175.84, "text": " At CES, one of those trends was the emergence of Chinese players like Hisense who are really" }, { "start": 1175.84, "end": 1178.28, "text": " trying to break in to the US market." }, { "start": 1178.28, "end": 1182.46, "text": " And my suspicion is that we're going to see a lot more of that at MWC." }, { "start": 1182.46, "end": 1187.2, "text": " I'm 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" it." }, { "start": 1506.08, "end": 1511.6799999999998, "text": " Where it's, you know, it's more about the infrastructure underpinning the phone and" }, { "start": 1511.6799999999998, "end": 1515.34, "text": " then carriers can do whatever the heck they want on top of it and really the only commonality" }, { "start": 1515.34, "end": 1519.72, "text": " between devices on different carriers is the fact that they can all run the same apps." }, { "start": 1519.72, "end": 1524.76, "text": " But the presentation of the phone, the capabilities of the phone, it varies completely from carrier" }, { "start": 1524.76, "end": 1525.76, "text": " to carrier." }, { "start": 1525.76, "end": 1530.48, "text": " You know, you'll just go to Vodafone and you'll get a phone that's running Vodafone OS but" }, { "start": 1530.48, "end": 1532.04, "text": " really it's running Tizen." }, { "start": 1532.04, "end": 1535.28, "text": " Tizen isn't even, I mean, they're not even looking at Tizen as being like a 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1575.8, "end": 1587.08, "text": " as Snake and Snake, has the best software on a mobile phone ever, there has never been" }, { "start": 1587.08, "end": 1589.8, "text": " a good piece of carrier customization software." }, { "start": 1589.8, "end": 1596.98, "text": " Well, it's funny because this Tizen thing makes me think of what Verizon used to do" }, { "start": 1596.98, "end": 1598.76, "text": " with its feature phones." }, { "start": 1598.76, "end": 1603.36, "text": " And they all, like you would buy a phone from Verizon and every single phone on the shelf" }, { "start": 1603.36, "end": 1606.24, "text": " ran the same exact operating system that was like…" }, { "start": 1606.24, "end": 1607.24, "text": " And it was garbage." }, { "start": 1607.24, "end": 1608.24, "text": " Well, it was terrible, yeah." }, { "start": 1608.24, "end": 1609.24, "text": " And those were all flashlight, right?" }, { "start": 1609.24, "end": 1610.24, "text": " Those were flashlight." }, { "start": 1610.24, "end": 1616.24, "text": " Yeah, yeah, I mean, you probably know better than I do what was actually running on them." }, { "start": 1616.24, "end": 1620.6399999999999, "text": " But it was like you could just drop one phone and pick up another and it's the exact same" }, { "start": 1620.6399999999999, "end": 1621.6399999999999, "text": " menu and it was a nightmare." }, { "start": 1621.6399999999999, "end": 1622.6399999999999, "text": " It was terrible." }, { "start": 1622.6399999999999, "end": 1627.12, "text": " So it just makes me think that a carrier is going to do that but with a line of smartphones" }, { "start": 1627.12, "end": 1629.6799999999998, "text": " and it just makes me kind of cry." }, { "start": 1629.68, "end": 1633.96, "text": " There is at least one exception to what you said." }, { "start": 1633.96, "end": 1635.64, "text": " I largely agree with you." }, { "start": 1635.64, "end": 1637.8600000000001, "text": " Most carrier customization is complete garbage." }, { "start": 1637.8600000000001, "end": 1642.92, "text": " But the one thing that I've always enjoyed and T-Mobile has never been keen on pushing" }, { "start": 1642.92, "end": 1649.4, "text": " it is T-Mobile's UMA where you can just…" }, { "start": 1649.4, "end": 1652.16, "text": " Pretty much any phone in their lineup, I don't know if this is still the case, but at one" }, { "start": 1652.16, "end": 1657.1200000000001, "text": " time you could buy pretty much any phone in their lineup and Blackberry, Android, whatever" }, { "start": 1657.12, "end": 1662.08, "text": " and connect to Wi-Fi and then you'd be making and receiving calls with your number over" }, { "start": 1662.08, "end": 1667.04, "text": " the Wi-Fi network and not using minutes and you don't have to worry about reception and" }, { "start": 1667.04, "end": 1668.04, "text": " it's great." }, { "start": 1668.04, "end": 1671.3999999999999, "text": " I'm assuming that's still the case." }, { "start": 1671.3999999999999, "end": 1672.76, "text": " I honestly haven't tried it." }, { "start": 1672.76, "end": 1676.1399999999999, "text": " I think it was on a per device basis." }, { "start": 1676.1399999999999, "end": 1681.1799999999998, "text": " It wasn't every device that supported it but it was like the larger or more popular models" }, { "start": 1681.1799999999998, "end": 1685.12, "text": " and I know they pushed it on the Blackberry models a lot for whatever reason." }, { "start": 1685.12, "end": 1689.56, "text": " That is a very good and very valid rebuttal, Chris." }, { "start": 1689.56, "end": 1690.56, "text": " Absolutely." }, { "start": 1690.56, "end": 1693.3999999999999, "text": " That's about the only example I can think of." }, { "start": 1693.3999999999999, "end": 1701.04, "text": " But aside from that, I just want to return to the previous decade." }, { "start": 1701.04, "end": 1707.9199999999998, "text": " About exactly 10 years ago and all I can say is just as color screens were starting to" }, { "start": 1707.92, "end": 1715.3200000000002, "text": " come out, we here in the UK were treated to some of the most appalling software from these" }, { "start": 1715.3200000000002, "end": 1716.3200000000002, "text": " carriers." }, { "start": 1716.3200000000002, "end": 1721.1200000000001, "text": " It was things like you put up the phone and then you have to go through this 15 second" }, { "start": 1721.1200000000001, "end": 1726.68, "text": " animation where you get one frame a second of the O2 bubbles bubbling up." }, { "start": 1726.68, "end": 1732.5600000000002, "text": " It was like, do, do, do, do." }, { "start": 1732.5600000000002, "end": 1733.5600000000002, "text": " And Vodafone." }, { "start": 1733.5600000000002, "end": 1736.3600000000001, "text": " Well, they're still like that." }, { "start": 1736.36, "end": 1741.36, "text": " It's a big theater and it's packed and you hear people start to turn off their phones" }, { "start": 1741.36, "end": 1745.9599999999998, "text": " and I hate to generalize it this way but it's generally older people who might be in the" }, { "start": 1745.9599999999998, "end": 1754.1599999999999, "text": " movie theater turning off their non-smart phones and you hear this like noise that's" }, { "start": 1754.1599999999999, "end": 1760.3, "text": " like obnoxiously loud and you know their screen is lit up with some bar animation from AT&T" }, { "start": 1760.3, "end": 1764.3999999999999, "text": " as it shuts down their prepaid phone." }, { "start": 1764.4, "end": 1770.48, "text": " I don't know if we have any Tim and Eric fans listening but there is an episode of Awesome" }, { "start": 1770.48, "end": 1777.68, "text": " Show that is about the shutdown animation and sound on cell phones where Tim dies and" }, { "start": 1777.68, "end": 1784.16, "text": " Eric is speaking at his funeral and he goes to shut off his Cinco cell phone and it takes" }, { "start": 1784.16, "end": 1791.5600000000002, "text": " like a minute and a half to shut down and it's this ridiculous song and it's great." }, { "start": 1791.56, "end": 1796.1599999999999, "text": " But I'm guessing most of you have no idea what I'm talking about so never mind." }, { "start": 1796.1599999999999, "end": 1797.1599999999999, "text": " I'm on your beat." }, { "start": 1797.1599999999999, "end": 1798.1599999999999, "text": " I'm on your wavelength there." }, { "start": 1798.1599999999999, "end": 1802.2, "text": " Well, as I say, this is the season for us." }, { "start": 1802.2, "end": 1806.04, "text": " We've got nothing to do until MWC comes around." }, { "start": 1806.04, "end": 1807.6799999999998, "text": " Well I can tell you what I'm doing." }, { "start": 1807.6799999999998, "end": 1812.6799999999998, "text": " I'm waiting for my Nexus 4 charging orb to arrive because I actually had the ability" }, { "start": 1812.6799999999998, "end": 1816.04, "text": " to buy one this week which is like amazing." }, { "start": 1816.04, "end": 1818.52, "text": " Out of the blue, it came out of nowhere." }, { "start": 1818.52, "end": 1821.3999999999999, "text": " Google throws this thing up for sale for $59.99." }, { "start": 1821.4, "end": 1823.72, "text": " Yeah it costs like a billion dollars." }, { "start": 1823.72, "end": 1828.76, "text": " After shipping and tax it cost me $71 for this thing which is insane because it's literally" }, { "start": 1828.76, "end": 1832.8400000000001, "text": " like a magnetic puck that transfers power to my phone." }, { "start": 1832.8400000000001, "end": 1836.1200000000001, "text": " But it's wireless, right?" }, { "start": 1836.1200000000001, "end": 1842.72, "text": " Yeah I mean it has to be plugged into something but the connection to my phone is wireless." }, { "start": 1842.72, "end": 1849.3000000000002, "text": " I guess compared to the Touchstone from Palm was like $70 at retail but quickly went on" }, { "start": 1849.3, "end": 1851.9199999999998, "text": " the clearance shelf so that's when I bought 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standard." }, { "start": 1900.76, "end": 1903.2, "text": " The whole point is it's supposed to be a standard." }, { "start": 1903.2, "end": 1905.4, "text": " And the great thing about those Nokia pads is that they're pretty cheap." }, { "start": 1905.4, "end": 1909.4, "text": " I want to say they're $39 and for a long time, I don't know if this is still the case, but" }, { "start": 1909.4, "end": 1914.3600000000001, "text": " for a long time you can get one for free if you bought a Lumia 920 on AT&T." }, { "start": 1914.3600000000001, "end": 1918.2, "text": " Now correct me if I'm wrong, the Nokia pads don't have any magnets in them, right?" }, { "start": 1918.2, "end": 1921.24, "text": " You kind of just put your device on and it just stays there." }, { "start": 1921.24, "end": 1924.56, "text": " It doesn't get held in place or anything." }, { "start": 1924.56, "end": 1928.3, "text": " They offered them with a, what's that pillow company?" }, { "start": 1928.3, "end": 1932.6399999999999, "text": " There's like a thing, like a pillow that you can put it inside and then the phone rests" }, { "start": 1932.6399999999999, "end": 1933.6399999999999, "text": " on the pillow." }, { "start": 1933.6399999999999, "end": 1935.68, "text": " Is it called Fat Boy?" }, { "start": 1935.68, "end": 1936.68, "text": " Is that it?" }, { "start": 1936.68, "end": 1937.68, "text": " Yes, yes, that's right." }, { "start": 1937.68, "end": 1938.68, "text": " I recall this." }, { "start": 1938.68, "end": 1943.72, "text": " I don't think you put the standard wireless charging pad." }, { "start": 1943.72, "end": 1948.6, "text": " I think they actually sell pillows which have wireless charging built into them." }, { "start": 1948.6, "end": 1959.76, "text": " No because I got sent the Fat Boy and the pad and one end of the Fat Boy is Velcro and" }, { "start": 1959.76, "end": 1963.1599999999999, "text": " you open it up and slide the charger in." }, { "start": 1963.1599999999999, "end": 1968.24, "text": " I mean maybe they sell it as a bundle, but it's just the regular pad." }, { "start": 1968.24, "end": 1974.6799999999998, "text": " So without the magnets, it kills the best application I could think of for a wireless" }, { "start": 1974.6799999999998, "end": 1977.36, "text": " charging thing which is in my car." }, { "start": 1977.36, "end": 1985.1799999999998, "text": " When I had a Palm Pre, I actually mounted a touchstone charger in my car's dash." }, { "start": 1985.1799999999998, "end": 1989.26, "text": " So I would just get in my car and I'd pop my phone on it and it would be held in place" }, { "start": 1989.26, "end": 1991.28, "text": " by the magnets and charge while I was driving." }, { "start": 1991.28, "end": 1992.8799999999999, "text": " It was the best thing ever." }, { "start": 1992.8799999999999, "end": 1996, "text": " Yeah, I think Dieter would agree with you on that." }, { "start": 1996, "end": 1999.52, "text": " He has talked about that use case on many occasions." }, { "start": 1999.52, "end": 2006.6399999999999, "text": " I kind of agree with any of that because I don't drive." }, { "start": 2006.64, "end": 2008.3600000000001, "text": " How do you take the tube man?" }, { "start": 2008.3600000000001, "end": 2015, "text": " Every time I'm in London, I go to get on the tube and it pulls up to the station and people" }, { "start": 2015, "end": 2018.88, "text": " are pressed up against the glass." }, { "start": 2018.88, "end": 2024.24, "text": " And half of the trains, I mean every line has a different kind of train and some of" }, { "start": 2024.24, "end": 2027.16, "text": " the trains on some of the lines are only four feet tall." }, { "start": 2027.16, "end": 2030.42, "text": " I guess maybe because British people are tiny, I don't know." }, { "start": 2030.42, "end": 2035.88, "text": " So people are kind of bent over and pressed up against the glass." }, { "start": 2035.88, "end": 2039.4, "text": " If you're claustrophobic, you would quite literally die on these trains." }, { "start": 2039.4, "end": 2041.72, "text": " And even if you aren't, you might suffocate." }, { "start": 2041.72, "end": 2043.8400000000001, "text": " So I don't know what you do." }, { "start": 2043.8400000000001, "end": 2050.08, "text": " Just to point out, while you have your face pressed up against the window, that person" }, { "start": 2050.08, "end": 2052.48, "text": " has a newspaper in front of their face." }, { "start": 2052.48, "end": 2053.48, "text": " That's the other thing." }, { "start": 2053.48, "end": 2055.88, "text": " So it doesn't matter how busy it is." }, { "start": 2055.88, "end": 2056.88, "text": " Somebody will whip out a newspaper." }, { "start": 2056.88, "end": 2063.7200000000003, "text": " And it won't even be like a high class brochure like the Guardian or like a nice big, something" }, { "start": 2063.7200000000003, "end": 2065.52, "text": " like the Financial Times." }, { "start": 2065.52, "end": 2067, "text": " It's not even worth your time." }, { "start": 2067, "end": 2068.8, "text": " No, it will be the Metro." }, { "start": 2068.8, "end": 2073.04, "text": " It will be just the freebie newspaper that you put up on the train onto the tube." }, { "start": 2073.04, "end": 2074.04, "text": " And that will just be like this." }, { "start": 2074.04, "end": 2078.84, "text": " And then the top of the newspaper will poke into the back of the person in front of it." }, { "start": 2078.84, "end": 2082.88, "text": " And the person in front of them will get animated by it and poke into the back of them." }, { "start": 2082.88, "end": 2084.88, "text": " Because they're British, they won't complain about it." }, { "start": 2084.88, "end": 2086.88, "text": " They'll just let it happen." }, { "start": 2086.88, "end": 2091.96, "text": " And then that anxiety and angst is going to build up in them." }, { "start": 2091.96, "end": 2095.92, "text": " And they're not going to move down when space opens up in the middle." }, { "start": 2095.92, "end": 2100.76, "text": " So then what you find is you get these clusters of people just completely jam-packed like" }, { "start": 2100.76, "end": 2103.44, "text": " sardines right next to the doors." }, { "start": 2103.44, "end": 2109, "text": " And you've got some jackass in the middle with his arms spread wide open like this," }, { "start": 2109, "end": 2110, "text": " just standing." }, { "start": 2110, "end": 2113, "text": " I'm enjoying this London Tube experience." }, { "start": 2113, "end": 2119.7200000000003, "text": " But ultimately, the reason why you don't drive in London is because there's just too many" }, { "start": 2119.72, "end": 2122.12, "text": " bodies and too many people here." }, { "start": 2122.12, "end": 2123.7599999999998, "text": " It's too much for everyone." }, { "start": 2123.7599999999998, "end": 2126.8399999999997, "text": " Well also there's the congestion fee, right?" }, { "start": 2126.8399999999997, "end": 2129.48, "text": " Yeah, but you know, we're rich people." }, { "start": 2129.48, "end": 2132.04, "text": " We don't really care about that." }, { "start": 2132.04, "end": 2133.4399999999996, "text": " Oh, we don't worry about that here." }, { "start": 2133.4399999999996, "end": 2134.4399999999996, "text": " We're all wealthy." }, { "start": 2134.4399999999996, "end": 2137.72, "text": " Yeah, we were a world empire at one point." }, { "start": 2137.72, "end": 2142.48, "text": " Yeah, we're still exposing that in some fashion or another." }, { "start": 2142.48, "end": 2143.48, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 2143.48, "end": 2144.48, "text": " Why am I speaking in we?" }, { "start": 2144.48, "end": 2145.48, "text": " I'm Bulgarian." }, { "start": 2145.48, "end": 2147.7999999999997, "text": " I just said that." }, { "start": 2147.8, "end": 2153, "text": " Well last time I was in London, I almost missed my flight out of town because I was in Canary" }, { "start": 2153, "end": 2158.1200000000003, "text": " Wharf and I kept waiting for trains to Paddington." }, { "start": 2158.1200000000003, "end": 2160.1200000000003, "text": " I had to connect, I can't remember." }, { "start": 2160.1200000000003, "end": 2164.2400000000002, "text": " But trains kept going by and every single one was like that." }, { "start": 2164.2400000000002, "end": 2167.76, "text": " It was like a Saturday morning at like 8 a.m. or something." }, { "start": 2167.76, "end": 2170.84, "text": " I'm like, where are you people going?" }, { "start": 2170.84, "end": 2172.44, "text": " You should be sleeping right now." }, { "start": 2172.44, "end": 2178.32, "text": " Wait, there might have been a football match because that's the other reason when things" }, { "start": 2178.32, "end": 2180.12, "text": " get really clustered up." }, { "start": 2180.12, "end": 2185.04, "text": " Just before we bring it back to some more same topics, I would just like to point out" }, { "start": 2185.04, "end": 2190.88, "text": " a major, major flaw with the iPhone 5 and any other devices using metal." }, { "start": 2190.88, "end": 2196.8, "text": " They feel like absolute hell when you're trying to use them in the cold because they pick" }, { "start": 2196.8, "end": 2200.88, "text": " up the same temperature and you pick up the phone and you're like, I just want to get" }, { "start": 2200.88, "end": 2203.56, "text": " something done really quickly and put it back down." }, { "start": 2203.56, "end": 2207.36, "text": " Because otherwise you have to, I don't know, tuck them in under your shirt and warm them" }, { "start": 2207.36, "end": 2209.32, "text": " up with some body warmth or something." }, { "start": 2209.32, "end": 2215, "text": " I'm really put off using the iPhone 5 right now because of its freaking metal surround." }, { "start": 2215, "end": 2218.6800000000003, "text": " And you think if you had a Lumia 920 you could wear gloves?" }, { "start": 2218.6800000000003, "end": 2219.6800000000003, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 2219.6800000000003, "end": 2222.56, "text": " That's, yeah, that is true." }, { "start": 2222.56, "end": 2228.28, "text": " I have tried to swipe the iPhone with gloves on a couple of times over the past week or" }, { "start": 2228.28, "end": 2233.84, "text": " so and just needed one of those little jingles like uh-uh." }, { "start": 2233.84, "end": 2238.6000000000004, "text": " You need to get those capacitive gloves, man." }, { "start": 2238.6000000000004, "end": 2241.6800000000003, "text": " Those are the ones that have capacitive fibers." }, { "start": 2241.6800000000003, "end": 2247.84, "text": " I do have a pair of those but the problem is that you don't have the resolution on your" }, { "start": 2247.84, "end": 2250.5600000000004, "text": " gloved fingers to really do anything anyway." }, { "start": 2250.5600000000004, "end": 2255.44, "text": " Well I mean I wouldn't go banging out emails with it but you can answer the phone." }, { "start": 2255.44, "end": 2256.44, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2256.44, "end": 2262.16, "text": " I didn't tell you guys, I dropped some serious knowledge on GM last week." }, { "start": 2262.16, "end": 2269.92, "text": " I was at an event, a press event for the Cadillac ELR which is their new extended range electric." }, { "start": 2269.92, "end": 2273.7200000000003, "text": " It's like basically an upscale volt coupe." }, { "start": 2273.7200000000003, "end": 2279.16, "text": " And the event was in Chicago and one of the journalists there asked the question, can" }, { "start": 2279.16, "end": 2282.92, "text": " you use the touch screen with gloves?" }, { "start": 2282.92, "end": 2286.96, "text": " And the chief engineer said, well no, it's a capacitive touch screen." }, { "start": 2286.96, "end": 2287.96, "text": " You can't." }, { "start": 2287.96, "end": 2288.96, "text": " It needs to detect iron in the hands." }, { "start": 2288.96, "end": 2291.2400000000002, "text": " I can't remember what he said." }, { "start": 2291.2400000000002, "end": 2292.2400000000002, "text": " And I actually piped in." }, { "start": 2292.2400000000002, "end": 2293.2400000000002, "text": " Like I couldn't resist." }, { "start": 2293.2400000000002, "end": 2294.2400000000002, "text": " I piped in." }, { "start": 2294.2400000000002, "end": 2304.48, "text": " I'm like, actually, Synaptics has a touch screen technology employed in the Lumia 920" }, { "start": 2304.48, "end": 2307.16, "text": " that allows you to use it with gloves." }, { "start": 2307.16, "end": 2309.88, "text": " And they're like, oh, you do it." }, { "start": 2309.88, "end": 2313.04, "text": " But the long and the short of it is that I think I dropped some serious knowledge on" }, { "start": 2313.04, "end": 2314.04, "text": " GM." }, { "start": 2314.04, "end": 2315.04, "text": " I just wanted to point that out." }, { "start": 2315.04, "end": 2317.36, "text": " And you'll never be invited to a GM thing ever again." }, { "start": 2317.36, "end": 2318.36, "text": " Whatever." }, { "start": 2318.36, "end": 2321.36, "text": " If I'm going to drop knowledge, I mean, don't they want me there?" }, { "start": 2321.36, "end": 2326.76, "text": " Like maybe they would have never found out about these glove compatible capacitive touch" }, { "start": 2326.76, "end": 2328.52, "text": " screens had I not been at this event." }, { "start": 2328.52, "end": 2330.2400000000002, "text": " And now they know." }, { "start": 2330.2400000000002, "end": 2334.48, "text": " And so now when the next generation Cadillac ELR has a glove compatible touch screen, you" }, { "start": 2334.48, "end": 2335.48, "text": " have me to thank." }, { "start": 2335.48, "end": 2341.2, "text": " Also, I would like to point out a resistive touch screen sighting." }, { "start": 2341.2, "end": 2343.16, "text": " I think we should keep track of those." }, { "start": 2343.16, "end": 2344.16, "text": " I agree." }, { "start": 2344.16, "end": 2352.28, "text": " Since then, it's just completely gone to the dumps ever since Nokia abandoned them and" }, { "start": 2352.28, "end": 2356.08, "text": " finally got onto the capacitive bandwagon." }, { "start": 2356.08, "end": 2361.16, "text": " But I did discover one resistive touch screen." }, { "start": 2361.16, "end": 2363.76, "text": " And it took me about five minutes to realize it was resistive." }, { "start": 2363.76, "end": 2369.1600000000003, "text": " It was like, it's going to be such an ancient technology that you keep trying to treat it" }, { "start": 2369.1600000000003, "end": 2376.0800000000004, "text": " as like a capacitive or an optical touch screen and you keep trying to give it your full finger" }, { "start": 2376.0800000000004, "end": 2378.0800000000004, "text": " and flesh and whatever." }, { "start": 2378.0800000000004, "end": 2380.7200000000003, "text": " But no, it was resistive." }, { "start": 2380.7200000000003, "end": 2384.7200000000003, "text": " And the place where it was is in IKEA in London." }, { "start": 2384.7200000000003, "end": 2385.7200000000003, "text": " So IKEA." }, { "start": 2385.7200000000003, "end": 2386.7200000000003, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2386.7200000000003, "end": 2392.6400000000003, "text": " I reviewed a Sony camera a couple months ago, I guess now, that actually had a resistive" }, { "start": 2392.64, "end": 2394.04, "text": " touch screen on the back." }, { "start": 2394.04, "end": 2398.4, "text": " And what was weird was the prior model of the same camera, the prior version of it had" }, { "start": 2398.4, "end": 2402.44, "text": " a capacitive screen and then the newer version had a resistive screen." }, { "start": 2402.44, "end": 2406.8799999999997, "text": " And I was writing about how it was much less responsive without realizing that it was actually" }, { "start": 2406.8799999999997, "end": 2409.7599999999998, "text": " a resistive screen until later on." }, { "start": 2409.7599999999998, "end": 2410.7599999999998, "text": " Nice." }, { "start": 2410.7599999999998, "end": 2417.2799999999997, "text": " I don't know why Sony did that, but they did." }, { "start": 2417.2799999999997, "end": 2420.48, "text": " Nokia 5800 Express Music." }, { "start": 2420.48, "end": 2425.28, "text": " Long live the 5800." }, { "start": 2425.28, "end": 2429.76, "text": " I tried to use it as my personal phone for an hour or two." }, { "start": 2429.76, "end": 2433.2400000000002, "text": " I was going to say that because it lasted long." }, { "start": 2433.2400000000002, "end": 2434.2400000000002, "text": " I barely survived." }, { "start": 2434.2400000000002, "end": 2437.2400000000002, "text": " Did you have the white and purple one from T-Mobile?" }, { "start": 2437.2400000000002, "end": 2438.2400000000002, "text": " No, no." }, { "start": 2438.2400000000002, "end": 2439.92, "text": " I think it was all black." }, { "start": 2439.92, "end": 2443, "text": " I think it was an international unit." }, { "start": 2443, "end": 2448.72, "text": " Oh, I was going to say, but I'm eulogizing." }, { "start": 2448.72, "end": 2456.6, "text": " So we can actually use that as a really good segue into Nokia moving past its old ways" }, { "start": 2456.6, "end": 2462.3599999999997, "text": " because this week, yesterday in fact, November to February, was the two year anniversary" }, { "start": 2462.3599999999997, "end": 2466.4399999999996, "text": " of Nokia Microsoft hooking up officially." }, { "start": 2466.4399999999996, "end": 2469.3199999999997, "text": " And Nokia is switching to Windows Phone." }, { "start": 2469.3199999999997, "end": 2474.4399999999996, "text": " So do you have any thoughts on how that's gone?" }, { "start": 2474.4399999999996, "end": 2478.4399999999996, "text": " What you're telling me is that it was two years ago that Stephen Elop jumped off the" }, { "start": 2478.44, "end": 2484.28, "text": " platform and he's still treading water hoping that the helicopter would come and pull him" }, { "start": 2484.28, "end": 2485.28, "text": " out." }, { "start": 2485.28, "end": 2487.28, "text": " That's what's happening right now." }, { "start": 2487.28, "end": 2489.32, "text": " He's probably getting a little cold." }, { "start": 2489.32, "end": 2492.4, "text": " He's running out of protein bars." }, { "start": 2492.4, "end": 2495.92, "text": " He's worried about the sharks that are circling." }, { "start": 2495.92, "end": 2499.92, "text": " And also, there is still the burning platform that could collapse at any second and fall" }, { "start": 2499.92, "end": 2501.08, "text": " on top of him." }, { "start": 2501.08, "end": 2505.44, "text": " So things are not looking very good for Mr. Elop." }, { "start": 2505.44, "end": 2511.56, "text": " Yeah, I mean, obviously they still have a long way to go if they want to survive." }, { "start": 2511.56, "end": 2518.2000000000003, "text": " You know, we're starting to hear about this catwalk, codename catwalk, which is supposedly" }, { "start": 2518.2000000000003, "end": 2520.88, "text": " the replacement for the 920." }, { "start": 2520.88, "end": 2522.84, "text": " Although we're starting to hear some conflicting information." }, { "start": 2522.84, "end": 2526.2400000000002, "text": " Catwalk is definitely a codename for a next generation Nokia device." }, { "start": 2526.2400000000002, "end": 2527.68, "text": " The only question is what it's going to be." }, { "start": 2527.68, "end": 2533.52, "text": " We're also hearing about this tablet, which seems an inevitability at this point." }, { "start": 2533.52, "end": 2537.52, "text": " That might be something we see at MWC actually." }, { "start": 2537.52, "end": 2543, "text": " So yeah, they have a few things going on, but there's still no sign of what's going" }, { "start": 2543, "end": 2550.16, "text": " to be that blockbuster device that pulls them out of the decline and really gives them something" }, { "start": 2550.16, "end": 2551.16, "text": " to rally around." }, { "start": 2551.16, "end": 2555.36, "text": " Well, as far as Nokia is concerned, the blockbuster device is always the next one." }, { "start": 2555.36, "end": 2556.36, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2556.36, "end": 2557.72, "text": " That's exactly right." }, { "start": 2557.72, "end": 2560.72, "text": " That always seems to be the case." }, { "start": 2560.72, "end": 2561.72, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2561.72, "end": 2562.72, "text": " That's exactly right." }, { "start": 2562.72, "end": 2563.72, "text": " So, yeah, I'm still the next one." }, { "start": 2563.72, "end": 2569.4399999999996, "text": " Yeah, and you know, Microsoft, Tom has talked about this many times, Microsoft used a really" }, { "start": 2569.4399999999996, "end": 2575.2799999999997, "text": " kind of bizarre marketing and retail strategy for the Surface that may have given Nokia" }, { "start": 2575.2799999999997, "end": 2576.9599999999996, "text": " an opening if they can do something." }, { "start": 2576.9599999999996, "end": 2580.8799999999997, "text": " If they can come out with like a really compelling looking device and sell it in all the right" }, { "start": 2580.8799999999997, "end": 2585.3199999999997, "text": " channels, which I'm not convinced they can do, but you know, maybe that's an opening" }, { "start": 2585.3199999999997, "end": 2587.8399999999997, "text": " for them." }, { "start": 2587.8399999999997, "end": 2591.7799999999997, "text": " But yeah, they need to, I mean, hey, excuse me." }, { "start": 2591.78, "end": 2597.5400000000004, "text": " Like I said last week, they sell the stake in Virtu and they're doing interesting things." }, { "start": 2597.5400000000004, "end": 2598.76, "text": " Interesting is one way to put it." }, { "start": 2598.76, "end": 2599.76, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2599.76, "end": 2600.76, "text": " Another way to put it is $10,000." }, { "start": 2600.76, "end": 2612.6800000000003, "text": " That's the thing, you're not buying like, you're not buying them like in a 10,000 unit" }, { "start": 2612.6800000000003, "end": 2613.6800000000003, "text": " bulk shipment." }, { "start": 2613.6800000000003, "end": 2616.32, "text": " That's for one device." }, { "start": 2616.32, "end": 2619.92, "text": " With a WVGA display." }, { "start": 2619.92, "end": 2626.6, "text": " Look man, I'm just saying, Nokia's, or I guess Virtu I should say, is definitely turning" }, { "start": 2626.6, "end": 2632, "text": " a profit on each one of these that it sells." }, { "start": 2632, "end": 2638.12, "text": " And Nokia does still own a small percentage of Virtu, so maybe they'll get some benefit" }, { "start": 2638.12, "end": 2639.44, "text": " from this." }, { "start": 2639.44, "end": 2644.96, "text": " But hey, you know, we talked about Virtu either last week or the week before and the story" }, { "start": 2644.96, "end": 2645.96, "text": " remains the same." }, { "start": 2645.96, "end": 2653.96, "text": " I mean, to Virtu's point, the typical Virtu customer is not looking for a bleeding edge" }, { "start": 2653.96, "end": 2654.96, "text": " device." }, { "start": 2654.96, "end": 2655.96, "text": " They don't care about specs." }, { "start": 2655.96, "end": 2662.64, "text": " They just want something that has some bling to it and costs a lot of money and Virtu is" }, { "start": 2662.64, "end": 2664.28, "text": " happy to oblige." }, { "start": 2664.28, "end": 2668.94, "text": " Oh, and there's the concierge button that we talked about." }, { "start": 2668.94, "end": 2670.84, "text": " The very important concierge button." }, { "start": 2670.84, "end": 2675.7200000000003, "text": " Yeah, that takes up like $9,000 of the $10,000." }, { "start": 2675.72, "end": 2676.72, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2676.72, "end": 2682.3599999999997, "text": " You press the button, you can ask for quite literally anything and they will help you." }, { "start": 2682.3599999999997, "end": 2685.64, "text": " Including the weather app." }, { "start": 2685.64, "end": 2691.12, "text": " You know, but if you're in midtown Manhattan and you want to ride an elephant to your flight" }, { "start": 2691.12, "end": 2696.08, "text": " at LaGuardia, I'm sure that the concierge would be happy to do that." }, { "start": 2696.08, "end": 2697.72, "text": " You don't need Uber." }, { "start": 2697.72, "end": 2700.8799999999997, "text": " No, you don't need Uber." }, { "start": 2700.8799999999997, "end": 2704.6, "text": " If you're a baller, you will ride an elephant." }, { "start": 2704.6, "end": 2712.86, "text": " By the way, I literally just got an email from Microsoft that says, fall for your Windows" }, { "start": 2712.86, "end": 2717, "text": " phone all over again." }, { "start": 2717, "end": 2719.16, "text": " Which I'm assuming is a reference to Valentine's Day." }, { "start": 2719.16, "end": 2720.16, "text": " I'm not sure." }, { "start": 2720.16, "end": 2727.2799999999997, "text": " They say that parents and kids love it." }, { "start": 2727.2799999999997, "end": 2730.8399999999997, "text": " Discover new apps, including Chimpact and dictionary.com." }, { "start": 2730.84, "end": 2735, "text": " Those are the apps that they're highlighting?" }, { "start": 2735, "end": 2736, "text": " Chimpact?" }, { "start": 2736, "end": 2737, "text": " Chimpact and Discovery." }, { "start": 2737, "end": 2739.96, "text": " Not Spotify, which recently hit." }, { "start": 2739.96, "end": 2752.44, "text": " No, there's WizTiles, Photofunnia, Chimpact, AE Coin Mania, the Path of Kara, Sleepbug," }, { "start": 2752.44, "end": 2754.88, "text": " and Soundhound are the highlighted apps." }, { "start": 2754.88, "end": 2759.96, "text": " So this is actually some really handy consumer advice right now." }, { "start": 2759.96, "end": 2764.56, "text": " It is, because I would have never heard of Chimpact had it not been for the C-mail." }, { "start": 2764.56, "end": 2768.44, "text": " And then there are a couple videos highlighting features where you can tap the phones together" }, { "start": 2768.44, "end": 2773.46, "text": " to exchange information, and you can get a Bing lock screen." }, { "start": 2773.46, "end": 2777.64, "text": " So lots of exciting news in the world of Windows phone right now." }, { "start": 2777.64, "end": 2778.64, "text": " Yay." }, { "start": 2778.64, "end": 2780.64, "text": " That was very exciting." }, { "start": 2780.64, "end": 2786.28, "text": " But actually, I want to sling back to Virtu so I can get a really nice segue in." }, { "start": 2786.28, "end": 2787.28, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2787.28, "end": 2791.84, "text": " So Chris was just saying about the idea of Virtu owners being people who just want something" }, { "start": 2791.84, "end": 2796.44, "text": " exclusive, something that other people don't have, something that you can go to your local" }, { "start": 2796.44, "end": 2802.88, "text": " Starbucks and put it down on the table and feel comfortable that you won't see on anybody" }, { "start": 2802.88, "end": 2809.36, "text": " else's table, because nobody else's is ridiculously dumb as you." }, { "start": 2809.36, "end": 2810.36, "text": " But oh, Welfie." }, { "start": 2810.36, "end": 2813.36, "text": " You're really dumb when you're Welfie." }, { "start": 2813.36, "end": 2816.2000000000003, "text": " That's really the Virtu logo." }, { "start": 2816.2, "end": 2820.8399999999997, "text": " Not logo, but motto for the dumb and the old Welfie." }, { "start": 2820.8399999999997, "end": 2825.3599999999997, "text": " I don't think they'll be picking that up for me, but it's fine." }, { "start": 2825.3599999999997, "end": 2832.9199999999996, "text": " And my segue is actually we can bring this in to mailbox for iPhone, because there is" }, { "start": 2832.9199999999996, "end": 2841.08, "text": " this caricature of iPhone owners being somewhat elitist, which was brought to life quite vividly" }, { "start": 2841.08, "end": 2842.08, "text": " with the Instagram situation." }, { "start": 2842.08, "end": 2847.7999999999997, "text": " When Instagram went to Android, a lot of people freaked out and were like, oh no, now the" }, { "start": 2847.7999999999997, "end": 2853.12, "text": " unwatched Android users are joining our exclusive little community, et cetera, et cetera." }, { "start": 2853.12, "end": 2860.64, "text": " So if this elitist group doesn't actually exist, this caricature doesn't actually exist," }, { "start": 2860.64, "end": 2866.56, "text": " mailbox is the perfect app for them, because it has a massive waiting list at the moment," }, { "start": 2866.56, "end": 2870.52, "text": " which has reached something like three quarters of a million." }, { "start": 2870.52, "end": 2873.36, "text": " Yeah, sucks for you guys still in it." }, { "start": 2873.36, "end": 2875.16, "text": " Whatever, man." }, { "start": 2875.16, "end": 2882.96, "text": " I am in the cool club now." }, { "start": 2882.96, "end": 2885.4, "text": " And so I believe I got it yesterday morning." }, { "start": 2885.4, "end": 2886.84, "text": " My ticket finally came up." }, { "start": 2886.84, "end": 2889.52, "text": " So is it awesome?" }, { "start": 2889.52, "end": 2894.04, "text": " So as far as an app goes, it's very well designed and it's very fast." }, { "start": 2894.04, "end": 2898.72, "text": " As far as an email processing thing, I don't know if I agree with everything that it's" }, { "start": 2898.72, "end": 2899.72, "text": " trying to do." }, { "start": 2899.72, "end": 2905.3199999999997, "text": " It does a lot of weird things that are like, if you're a Gmail user, you generally are" }, { "start": 2905.3199999999997, "end": 2907.74, "text": " using Gmail for a couple of reasons." }, { "start": 2907.74, "end": 2914.24, "text": " One of them originally was threaded conversations, great spam reporting, and then later on, everybody" }, { 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it got put" }, { "start": 2950.36, "end": 2953.2, "text": " out to sea, supported labels with no issue." }, { "start": 2953.2, "end": 2954.2, "text": " Oh, really?" }, { "start": 2954.2, "end": 2956.4399999999996, "text": " Yeah, I mean, that supports full labels, so I can..." }, { "start": 2956.4399999999996, "end": 2961.68, "text": " Well, Sparrow didn't have an issue in supporting label colors, and if you're as anal as I am," }, { "start": 2961.68, "end": 2963.6, "text": " that was a complete deal breaker." }, { "start": 2963.6, "end": 2967.56, "text": " The point was that I could look at an email in my inbox, I could label it properly, and" }, { "start": 2967.56, "end": 2970.2799999999997, "text": " then archive it and get it out of my inbox." }, { "start": 2970.2799999999997, "end": 2972.6, "text": " But Mailbox doesn't give me that option." }, { "start": 2972.6, "end": 2974.48, "text": " I can just get it out of my inbox." }, { "start": 2974.48, "end": 2979.2599999999998, "text": " They have, like, Mailbox has its own separate set of labels that it creates, and I can give" }, { "start": 2979.2599999999998, "end": 2983.8799999999997, "text": " it one of those, but I can't give it one that I'm using for my account for other things," }, { "start": 2983.88, "end": 2986.7200000000003, "text": " which is kind of crazy." }, { "start": 2986.7200000000003, "end": 2992.7200000000003, "text": " Otherwise it does, like, a lot of really smart things with your conversation view, and it" }, { "start": 2992.7200000000003, "end": 2997.92, "text": " smartly removes all of, like, signatures and all of the other crap that comes in an email" }, { "start": 2997.92, "end": 3001.12, "text": " these days, so when you're looking at it on your phone, you're only seeing the message" }, { "start": 3001.12, "end": 3002.96, "text": " itself, which makes it easy." }, { "start": 3002.96, "end": 3008.2400000000002, "text": " But I don't know if it'll be something that I can use in the long 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updated with lots of new features and things" }, { "start": 3043.2, "end": 3046.96, "text": " like that and supports a lot of functions, like multiple accounts and whatever, it's" }, { "start": 3046.96, "end": 3051.54, "text": " still a pretty crappy web app that reloads all of your data every single time, and it" }, { "start": 3051.54, "end": 3052.96, "text": " just kind of feels janky." }, { "start": 3052.96, "end": 3057.44, "text": " It doesn't feel like a native app, whereas Sparrow felt great and was fast and all that" }, { "start": 3057.44, "end": 3059.56, "text": " other stuff, so..." }, { "start": 3059.56, "end": 3060.56, "text": " Which, and Mailbox is." }, { "start": 3060.56, "end": 3063.56, "text": " And Mailbox has push notifications, which is awesome." }, { "start": 3063.56, "end": 3070.44, "text": " Well, that's fair enough, but I've actually grown used to the Gmail app on iOS." }, { "start": 3070.44, "end": 3078.6, "text": " I know it has a ton of improvements that it can add and a ton of areas where it can improve," }, { "start": 3078.6, "end": 3083.7999999999997, "text": " which is the same thing, said a different way, but, you know, I've grown used to it." }, { "start": 3083.7999999999997, "end": 3086.08, "text": " I'm using it on a daily basis." }, { "start": 3086.08, "end": 3092.36, "text": " And like Dan says, I feel like a lot of the things that Mailbox does are just a bit too" }, { "start": 3092.36, "end": 3093.36, "text": " much." }, { "start": 3093.36, "end": 3096.28, "text": " I have to trust the app too much." }, { "start": 3096.28, "end": 3102.96, "text": " I admit I'm not part of the cool club, but I saw Ellis' excessive hands-on with the application," }, { "start": 3102.96, "end": 3108.8, "text": " and it does things like when you send it off, when you want to set aside an email, you can" }, { "start": 3108.8, "end": 3115.28, "text": " set aside, let's say, until tonight or until next week or until such and such date, and" }, { "start": 3115.28, "end": 3120.1600000000003, "text": " then it essentially redelivers that email when you're ready to deal with it and to handle" }, { "start": 3120.1600000000003, "end": 3121.1600000000003, "text": " it." }, { "start": 3121.16, "end": 3127.68, "text": " It's fine, I guess, but it also imposes a whole new paradigm for handling email on you." }, { "start": 3127.68, "end": 3133.68, "text": " So you either have to fall in love with it and really support it, or you have to go and" }, { "start": 3133.68, "end": 3136.12, "text": " look for alternatives, I think." }, { "start": 3136.12, "end": 3138, "text": " It's also just kicking the can down the road." }, { "start": 3138, "end": 3144.04, "text": " I mean, at the end of the day, you know, yeah, you need to deal with email." }, { "start": 3144.04, "end": 3149.68, "text": " The thing that I don't like about these mobile email apps that are trying to do, like, you" }, { "start": 3149.68, "end": 3155, "text": " know, innovative things with email handling is that that experience is not consistent" }, { "start": 3155, "end": 3158.24, "text": " across – you're not just accessing your email on your phone." }, { "start": 3158.24, "end": 3165.2, "text": " You're accessing it on your desktop, your laptop, your tablet, wherever, and then, you" }, { "start": 3165.2, "end": 3170.56, "text": " know, if you get used to, say, Sparrow or Mailbox or whatever, then you go back to Gmail" }, { "start": 3170.56, "end": 3174.9199999999996, "text": " on the web and it's, you know, half of those features aren't there." }, { "start": 3174.9199999999996, "end": 3177.56, "text": " So that's something to consider." }, { "start": 3177.56, "end": 3179.04, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 3179.04, "end": 3180.12, "text": " I will say this." }, { "start": 3180.12, "end": 3188.88, "text": " I think that these Mailbox guys missed a key opportunity to charge, say, $10 to jump the" }, { "start": 3188.88, "end": 3189.88, "text": " line." }, { "start": 3189.88, "end": 3190.88, "text": " I think –" }, { "start": 3190.88, "end": 3192.88, "text": " Or just charge $10 for the app." }, { "start": 3192.88, "end": 3196.16, "text": " I mean, people would have bought it up, hand over fist for it." }, { "start": 3196.16, "end": 3197.16, "text": " That's true." }, { "start": 3197.16, "end": 3198.16, "text": " That's very true." }, { "start": 3198.16, "end": 3203.16, "text": " Yeah, charge $10 for the app and then another $10 to jump the line and they would have had" }, { "start": 3203.16, "end": 3204.16, "text": " a winner." }, { "start": 3204.16, "end": 3207.52, "text": " But then we would all be complaining about the cost of Mailbox." }, { "start": 3207.52, "end": 3209.2, "text": " They can't really win." }, { "start": 3209.2, "end": 3214.2, "text": " I actually totally agree with Chris that that would be – and hey, I don't think that" }, { "start": 3214.2, "end": 3215.2, "text": " opportunity is gone." }, { "start": 3215.2, "end": 3219.4, "text": " Like, they could do it right now and just keep padding out the number." }, { "start": 3219.4, "end": 3220.4, "text": " Like, make it 20." }, { "start": 3220.4, "end": 3221.4, "text": " Make it 50." }, { "start": 3221.4, "end": 3224.4, "text": " Like, you want to jump half a million spots?" }, { "start": 3224.4, "end": 3225.4, "text": " 50 bucks." }, { "start": 3225.4, "end": 3226.4, "text": " 50 bucks." }, { "start": 3226.4, "end": 3227.4, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3227.4, "end": 3231.04, "text": " And the fact of the matter is there will be people who will be like, yeah, I'm quite" }, { "start": 3231.04, "end": 3234.52, "text": " happy to do that and join Dan in the cool club." }, { "start": 3234.52, "end": 3242.12, "text": " Hey, the famous iOS app I Am Rich sold like 10 copies and that was $1,000." }, { "start": 3242.12, "end": 3247.08, "text": " So certainly an app that actually does something for 50 bucks would sell a few copies." }, { "start": 3247.08, "end": 3248.08, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 3248.08, "end": 3249.08, "text": " So –" }, { "start": 3249.08, "end": 3251.64, "text": " Did you buy one of those, Chris?" }, { "start": 3251.64, "end": 3254.64, "text": " Did I buy I Am Rich?" }, { "start": 3254.64, "end": 3255.64, "text": " No." }, { "start": 3255.64, "end": 3256.64, "text": " No." }, { "start": 3256.64, "end": 3259.44, "text": " No, I would not do that." }, { "start": 3259.44, "end": 3266.92, "text": " I remember watching the video of Crack Great Kevin buying – like, there's a Blackberry" }, { "start": 3266.92, "end": 3268.52, "text": " app world equivalent to I Am Rich." }, { "start": 3268.52, "end": 3269.52, "text": " I can't remember what it's called." }, { "start": 3269.52, "end": 3272.32, "text": " It was a clock app that was like $500." }, { "start": 3272.32, "end": 3273.32, "text": " Oh, that's right." }, { "start": 3273.32, "end": 3274.32, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3274.32, "end": 3277.68, "text": " I remember watching the video of him buying it and I was like, oh, Kevin, don't do it." }, { "start": 3277.68, "end": 3278.68, "text": " There's so many other ways." }, { "start": 3278.68, "end": 3281.76, "text": " Just give me the 500 bucks." }, { "start": 3281.76, "end": 3282.76, "text": " Just donate it to charity." }, { "start": 3282.76, "end": 3285.36, "text": " Do something other than buying this app, please." }, { "start": 3285.36, "end": 3288.36, "text": " But no, you bought it." }, { "start": 3288.36, "end": 3294.04, "text": " See, the thing with the Blackberry app is you could buy it with your Porsche P whatever" }, { "start": 3294.04, "end": 3298.48, "text": " Blackberry, and then you have the ultimate in wasted money." }, { "start": 3298.48, "end": 3299.48, "text": " Very Porsche." }, { "start": 3299.48, "end": 3300.48, "text": " Porsche." }, { "start": 3300.48, "end": 3301.48, "text": " Porsche, yes." }, { "start": 3301.48, "end": 3302.48, "text": " Porsche design." }, { "start": 3302.48, "end": 3303.48, "text": " Yeah, Porsche." }, { "start": 3303.48, "end": 3308.44, "text": " A Porsche owner would literally clock you in the face for saying Porsche." }, { "start": 3308.44, "end": 3309.44, "text": " I haven't had this happen." }, { "start": 3309.44, "end": 3310.44, "text": " I don't – you know what?" }, { "start": 3310.44, "end": 3317.36, "text": " I'm not really too worried about Porsche owners just because I'm not one of those" }, { "start": 3317.36, "end": 3318.36, "text": " people." }, { "start": 3318.36, "end": 3322.2400000000002, "text": " Just in general, you're not worried about them." }, { "start": 3322.2400000000002, "end": 3326.2400000000002, "text": " They're not the Vin Diesel's of the world that instill fear into me." }, { "start": 3326.2400000000002, "end": 3330.96, "text": " Also, if you're a Porsche owner, people shouldn't be worried about you anyway." }, { "start": 3330.96, "end": 3332.44, "text": " You do pretty well." }, { "start": 3332.44, "end": 3333.44, "text": " It's true." }, { "start": 3333.44, "end": 3336.32, "text": " But what if the Rock drives a Porsche?" }, { "start": 3336.32, "end": 3340.56, "text": " I don't know if the Rock would really fit in most Porsches except for the big goofy" }, { "start": 3340.56, "end": 3341.56, "text": " SUVs." }, { "start": 3341.56, "end": 3343.92, "text": " Yeah, the Cayenne." }, { "start": 3343.92, "end": 3347.44, "text": " And people who drive the Cayenne don't know the difference between pronouncing it Porsche" }, { "start": 3347.44, "end": 3348.44, "text": " or Porsche." }, { "start": 3348.44, "end": 3349.44, "text": " This is true." }, { "start": 3349.44, "end": 3351.44, "text": " You're making some very valid points right now." }, { "start": 3351.44, "end": 3354.48, "text": " I think Dan has really thought this through." }, { "start": 3354.48, "end": 3355.48, "text": " Yeah, you see." }, { "start": 3355.48, "end": 3358.6800000000003, "text": " This is not the first time you said it's conversation." }, { "start": 3358.6800000000003, "end": 3362.52, "text": " When I think of – it's pathetic because there's some really great Porsche vehicles" }, { "start": 3362.52, "end": 3364, "text": " that are made and they're really awesome cars." }, { "start": 3364, "end": 3366.64, "text": " But what I think of is I think of the guy going through a midlife crisis." }, { "start": 3366.64, "end": 3370.84, "text": " He just got divorced and his kids are in college and he's driving a freaking Boxster, which" }, { "start": 3370.84, "end": 3375.84, "text": " is like for $60,000 or whatever it costs to buy that thing, there's so many other vehicles" }, { "start": 3375.84, "end": 3380.6800000000003, "text": " that you could buy that perform better and maybe look better and are just like – you're" }, { "start": 3380.6800000000003, "end": 3385.96, "text": " paying for that, just that label that's on there, not for the performance of the vehicle." }, { "start": 3385.96, "end": 3388.08, "text": " Even the Cayman is a better car." }, { "start": 3388.08, "end": 3389.08, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 3389.08, "end": 3390.08, "text": " Than a Boxster?" }, { "start": 3390.08, "end": 3391.08, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3391.08, "end": 3392.08, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 3392.08, "end": 3393.08, "text": " I was a little bit of that." }, { "start": 3393.08, "end": 3396.48, "text": " I mean, I've got a friend of mine who says that –" }, { "start": 3396.48, "end": 3401.08, "text": " The Tesla Model S smokes a Boxster in its sleep." }, { "start": 3401.08, "end": 3403.52, "text": " I'm shutting up." }, { "start": 3403.52, "end": 3407.2, "text": " That segment was so good, I'm just going to shut up and let Chris talk about the Model" }, { "start": 3407.2, "end": 3411.56, "text": " S because we want to hear about it." }, { "start": 3411.56, "end": 3417.68, "text": " You guys should have watched my Spellbinding Q&A earlier today, which was also hosted in" }, { "start": 3417.68, "end": 3419.16, "text": " a Google Hangout." }, { "start": 3419.16, "end": 3421.76, "text": " Yeah, it was cool." }, { "start": 3421.76, "end": 3427.2400000000002, "text": " The only thing I can think of to really tie this into mobile is the fact that they're" }, { "start": 3427.2400000000002, "end": 3435.84, "text": " using an AT&T 3G connection in the car, which is okay." }, { "start": 3435.84, "end": 3438.5200000000004, "text": " Predictably failed on you when you were in the mountains." }, { "start": 3438.5200000000004, "end": 3440.78, "text": " Yeah, well, yeah." }, { "start": 3440.78, "end": 3445.5, "text": " First of all, it's not LTE, but then second of all, once we got into Big Sur, which is" }, { "start": 3445.5, "end": 3454.12, "text": " no man's land, all of our phones died, nobody had any service, and the car's connection" }, { "start": 3454.12, "end": 3455.52, "text": " died." }, { "start": 3455.52, "end": 3458.96, "text": " Once that happened, the navigation started kind of failing out." }, { "start": 3458.96, "end": 3462, "text": " We still had a route that we could follow, but then we pulled over to the side of the" }, { "start": 3462, "end": 3463, "text": " road and turned the car off." }, { "start": 3463, "end": 3467.44, "text": " We went back in, our route was gone, and we couldn't get anything back." }, { "start": 3467.44, "end": 3472.04, "text": " The base map was gone because it wasn't cached, so we had no navigation, which is insane to" }, { "start": 3472.04, "end": 3473.04, "text": " me." }, { "start": 3473.04, "end": 3474.04, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3474.04, "end": 3476.64, "text": " It's a fine line for the possibility that maybe your connection isn't going to work" }, { "start": 3476.64, "end": 3478.84, "text": " once in a while." }, { "start": 3478.84, "end": 3483.24, "text": " That was a bummer, but otherwise it worked pretty well." }, { "start": 3483.24, "end": 3490.56, "text": " Obviously, the notion of having a live, continuously updating Google Maps instead of the old school" }, { "start": 3490.56, "end": 3495.92, "text": " DVD that you buy once a year for $200 from your car company and then install it in your" }, { "start": 3495.92, "end": 3496.92, "text": " car, it's a no-brainer." }, { "start": 3496.92, "end": 3505.16, "text": " Is it the model that's also one of those cars with the massive 19-inch dash with a Tegra" }, { "start": 3505.16, "end": 3507.6800000000003, "text": " 3 inside and things like that?" }, { "start": 3507.6800000000003, "end": 3514.08, "text": " Yep, it's a Tegra 3 in the center console and then a Tegra 2 powering the instrument" }, { "start": 3514.08, "end": 3516.6800000000003, "text": " cluster, is my understanding." }, { "start": 3516.6800000000003, "end": 3517.6800000000003, "text": " And the Tegra..." }, { "start": 3517.6800000000003, "end": 3521.8, "text": " You need a Tegra 2 processor to power the instrument cluster." }, { "start": 3521.8, "end": 3524.56, "text": " Well, the instrument cluster is just a big screen, right?" }, { "start": 3524.56, "end": 3525.56, "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 3525.56, "end": 3531.2799999999997, "text": " I think it's an 8-inch display for the instrument cluster and then a central display." }, { "start": 3531.2799999999997, "end": 3534.84, "text": " I just find that really, really wasteful in an electric car." }, { "start": 3534.84, "end": 3540.64, "text": " I know it's sufficient chips that they're using, but still, you've got an 8-inch or" }, { "start": 3540.64, "end": 3547.16, "text": " 19-inch or whatever display sucking down power, which is also shortening your range," }, { "start": 3547.16, "end": 3548.16, "text": " right?" }, { "start": 3548.16, "end": 3549.4, "text": " It's a totally valid point." }, { "start": 3549.4, "end": 3551.56, "text": " Yeah, that's a totally valid point." }, { "start": 3551.56, "end": 3556.24, "text": " I need to bring that point up because in the United States, if you don't talk about short" }, { "start": 3556.24, "end": 3557.24, "text": " range, you pretty much..." }, { "start": 3557.24, "end": 3560.24, "text": " With electric cars, you pretty much get imprisoned, right?" }, { "start": 3560.24, "end": 3567, "text": " Because we need to talk about that in order to keep up the old petrol-guzzling industry" }, { "start": 3567, "end": 3568, "text": " going." }, { "start": 3568, "end": 3569, "text": " Hey, man." }, { "start": 3569, "end": 3572.92, "text": " Too big to fail." }, { "start": 3572.92, "end": 3578.04, "text": " I feel as though Vlad has been personally wronged by the petroleum..." }, { "start": 3578.04, "end": 3579.04, "text": " By the Detroit industry." }, { "start": 3579.04, "end": 3581.8, "text": " How have I not been personally wronged?" }, { "start": 3581.8, "end": 3583.56, "text": " Of course I have." }, { "start": 3583.56, "end": 3589.4, "text": " But you live in the country of BP, which is one of the largest corporations in the world." }, { "start": 3589.4, "end": 3595.64, "text": " And ruined our beaches, mind you, five years ago or whatever it is." }, { "start": 3595.64, "end": 3596.64, "text": " Oh, dude." }, { "start": 3596.64, "end": 3601.44, "text": " If you're going to indirectly accuse me for every single crime of the British Empire and" }, { "start": 3601.44, "end": 3608.8, "text": " British company, this is going to be a really long podcast." }, { "start": 3608.8, "end": 3617.1200000000003, "text": " So interestingly, the Tegra 3 was not sufficient to power the center console." }, { "start": 3617.1200000000003, "end": 3622.76, "text": " There is, for whatever reason, a full web browser built into the car." }, { "start": 3622.76, "end": 3628.44, "text": " It really choked on The Verge and other sites." }, { "start": 3628.44, "end": 3629.5600000000004, "text": " The browser just wasn't that great." }, { "start": 3629.5600000000004, "end": 3633.52, "text": " I think that they probably could have fixed it through software tweaks alone." }, { "start": 3633.52, "end": 3636.7400000000002, "text": " And the software is still very early, and they can do software updates over the air" }, { "start": 3636.7400000000002, "end": 3637.7400000000002, "text": " with the car." }, { "start": 3637.74, "end": 3640.64, "text": " I'm sure it's going to improve over time." }, { "start": 3640.64, "end": 3644.72, "text": " But the other solution is just throw more hardware at it." }, { "start": 3644.72, "end": 3649.2599999999998, "text": " That begs the question, and I believe you brought this up in your report on it." }, { "start": 3649.2599999999998, "end": 3651.2, "text": " Why is the browser there to begin with?" }, { "start": 3651.2, "end": 3653.16, "text": " And especially if the car's in..." }, { "start": 3653.16, "end": 3657.2, "text": " I guess there's no gearing in this based on what you were saying in your report." }, { "start": 3657.2, "end": 3659.6, "text": " You just get in and go." }, { "start": 3659.6, "end": 3661.9599999999996, "text": " You don't put the car in park or drive or whatever." }, { "start": 3661.9599999999996, "end": 3663.4399999999996, "text": " But the browser is always functional." }, { "start": 3663.4399999999996, "end": 3667.4799999999996, "text": " So while the car is moving, why have the browser available?" }, { "start": 3667.48, "end": 3671.2, "text": " There is a park and drive, but it's almost like..." }, { "start": 3671.2, "end": 3673.16, "text": " What's the word I'm looking for?" }, { "start": 3673.16, "end": 3676.12, "text": " It's like a psychological thing almost." }, { "start": 3676.12, "end": 3680.96, "text": " It's there just because you're used to having park and drive and a car, but you don't really" }, { "start": 3680.96, "end": 3683.04, "text": " need it." }, { "start": 3683.04, "end": 3690.2400000000002, "text": " But so because of that, they could do it so that you have to physically put the car into" }, { "start": 3690.2400000000002, "end": 3691.2400000000002, "text": " park." }, { "start": 3691.2400000000002, "end": 3696.28, "text": " There's a little stock on the steering wheel column that's like a transmission shifter." }, { "start": 3696.28, "end": 3701.44, "text": " And you can put it in a park, and then I guess you could have the browser work, which would" }, { "start": 3701.44, "end": 3707.6000000000004, "text": " be great for Jordan, one of our video guys who spent most of the journey from LA to San" }, { "start": 3707.6000000000004, "end": 3714.84, "text": " Francisco looking at Vice Mallards on Reddit in the center console of the car, which was" }, { "start": 3714.84, "end": 3715.84, "text": " a little distracting." }, { "start": 3715.84, "end": 3717.96, "text": " Not going to lie." }, { "start": 3717.96, "end": 3721.76, "text": " But I do agree in general that that should be locked out." }, { "start": 3721.76, "end": 3722.76, "text": " It's already illegal." }, { "start": 3722.76, "end": 3732.0800000000004, "text": " Not mistaken in the US, it's legal for any display built into the car to show a movie" }, { "start": 3732.0800000000004, "end": 3734.6800000000003, "text": " while the car is in motion." }, { "start": 3734.6800000000003, "end": 3737.5200000000004, "text": " I don't think it's legal in Europe, but it's legal in the US." }, { "start": 3737.5200000000004, "end": 3741.1200000000003, "text": " So I think this is just a case, and I mentioned this in the Q&A this morning, I think it's" }, { "start": 3741.1200000000003, "end": 3748.1600000000003, "text": " just a case of regulations not keeping up with where the car companies are at, specifically" }, { "start": 3748.1600000000003, "end": 3749.1600000000003, "text": " Tesla." }, { "start": 3749.16, "end": 3755.12, "text": " It's just a matter of time before someone at the DOT wakes up and they're like, oh," }, { "start": 3755.12, "end": 3756.12, "text": " that's not cool." }, { "start": 3756.12, "end": 3758.6, "text": " And then they'll ban it, and it'll be gone." }, { "start": 3758.6, "end": 3759.6, "text": " But until then." }, { "start": 3759.6, "end": 3766, "text": " Yeah, like even on a much more basic function, my personal vehicle, if the car is moving" }, { "start": 3766, "end": 3771, "text": " or out of its park mode, I can't even pair my Bluetooth phone with the dash." }, { "start": 3771, "end": 3774.56, "text": " I have to be in park and staying still before I set up the Bluetooth phone." }, { "start": 3774.56, "end": 3777.2, "text": " I can't do that driving and stuff like that." }, { "start": 3777.2, "end": 3778.2, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3778.2, "end": 3779.3199999999997, "text": " I also mentioned that in the Q&A." }, { "start": 3779.3199999999997, "end": 3785.12, "text": " I think that the legacy car companies are really gun shy about regulators, and I think" }, { "start": 3785.12, "end": 3791.7999999999997, "text": " they feel very burned by regulations." }, { "start": 3791.7999999999997, "end": 3795.8799999999997, "text": " That is one of the reasons that they roll out innovations very slowly and very deliberately" }, { "start": 3795.8799999999997, "end": 3799.6, "text": " is because they're worried that they're going to get their wrists slapped." }, { "start": 3799.6, "end": 3804.68, "text": " And Tesla, because they're new at this, they don't have that natural fear." }, { "start": 3804.68, "end": 3809.2999999999997, "text": " So they're just doing lots of crazy things with the interior of the car that a company" }, { "start": 3809.2999999999997, "end": 3813.7999999999997, "text": " like GM or BMW or Ford or whoever would not consider doing." }, { "start": 3813.7999999999997, "end": 3818.04, "text": " And one of them is have a full web browser on a 17-inch display in the car while it's" }, { "start": 3818.04, "end": 3819.04, "text": " in motion." }, { "start": 3819.04, "end": 3823.48, "text": " That just wouldn't happen on GM." }, { "start": 3823.48, "end": 3828.2, "text": " You showed us in the video, I believe, there's a smartphone app for it, obviously." }, { "start": 3828.2, "end": 3832.6, "text": " Is there any kind of cool crazy stuff that Tesla's doing there that we haven't seen before?" }, { "start": 3832.6, "end": 3838.2, "text": " Yeah, well, one thing that was nice, when we parked it in Morro Bay, which is our stop" }, { "start": 3838.2, "end": 3842.7999999999997, "text": " on the first night, there's a sign-in sheet next to the charger just where you write your" }, { "start": 3842.7999999999997, "end": 3846.8399999999997, "text": " name and what kind of car you have and any thoughts or notes." }, { "start": 3846.8399999999997, "end": 3856.1, "text": " And there were some notes that suggested that there might be some vandalism in the neighborhood." }, { "start": 3856.1, "end": 3862.44, "text": " So we were keen to use the app to verify that the car was still in the same place where" }, { "start": 3862.44, "end": 3864.7200000000003, "text": " we left it." }, { "start": 3864.7200000000003, "end": 3866.68, "text": " And that is one of the features in the app." }, { "start": 3866.68, "end": 3873.2400000000002, "text": " You can see, it shows just a Google map with a pin where the car is." }, { "start": 3873.2400000000002, "end": 3878.08, "text": " So you can see how that would be super helpful if you parked in a giant mall and you couldn't" }, { "start": 3878.08, "end": 3879.08, "text": " remember where you parked." }, { "start": 3879.08, "end": 3880.08, "text": " Because it's very precise." }, { "start": 3880.08, "end": 3884.88, "text": " Now, that would be like the ultimate troll, wouldn't it, if you park your Tesla there" }, { "start": 3884.88, "end": 3888.68, "text": " and you plug it in and then 10 minutes later, you're almost dead, your battery's almost" }, { "start": 3888.68, "end": 3889.68, "text": " gone." }, { "start": 3889.68, "end": 3892.7999999999997, "text": " And then there's a guy there, some would-be thief comes up and tries to rob it, and the" }, { "start": 3892.7999999999997, "end": 3898.56, "text": " thing just dies on it in the middle of the road because it hadn't been charging." }, { "start": 3898.56, "end": 3899.96, "text": " It's funny you say that." }, { "start": 3899.96, "end": 3905.3999999999996, "text": " One of the things that Tesla told us when we picked up the car is that it's car jack" }, { "start": 3905.3999999999996, "end": 3906.56, "text": " proof." }, { "start": 3906.56, "end": 3911.48, "text": " Because you just say, OK, you can have the car, and then you let it drive a quarter mile" }, { "start": 3911.48, "end": 3916.9199999999996, "text": " and then you shut it down." }, { "start": 3916.92, "end": 3921.92, "text": " It's very difficult for somebody to effectively steal a Model S." }, { "start": 3921.92, "end": 3932.6800000000003, "text": " So it does kind of sound like having a very odd sort of mobile PC, which is also my excuse" }, { "start": 3932.6800000000003, "end": 3935.6, "text": " for us actually talking about this." }, { "start": 3935.6, "end": 3937.4, "text": " It has a tech free inside it." }, { "start": 3937.4, "end": 3939.04, "text": " It has a battery inside it." }, { "start": 3939.04, "end": 3940.28, "text": " It's got cellular connection." }, { "start": 3940.28, "end": 3943.6800000000003, "text": " It's extremely mobile." }, { "start": 3943.6800000000003, "end": 3944.96, "text": " It is very mobile." }, { "start": 3944.96, "end": 3946.88, "text": " For 250 miles at a time." }, { "start": 3946.88, "end": 3947.88, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3947.88, "end": 3951.36, "text": " Thank you, Dan, for making sure to talk about range." }, { "start": 3951.36, "end": 3954.36, "text": " It's funny to me." }, { "start": 3954.36, "end": 3964.56, "text": " The vibe I'm getting is that it is very much like if you took a PC, if you took a computer," }, { "start": 3964.56, "end": 3971.7200000000003, "text": " let's say, whatever definition you want to give to the broad category of personal computing" }, { "start": 3971.72, "end": 3980.2, "text": " devices and then you put wheels around it and then you put like Chris says a few crazy" }, { "start": 3980.2, "end": 3985.4399999999996, "text": " design decisions from an alternative company like Tesla, that's what you would get." }, { "start": 3985.4399999999996, "end": 3991.52, "text": " And I guess the road to a certain extent, but then that was also based on low solution," }, { "start": 3991.52, "end": 3995.3599999999997, "text": " which is kind of an adaptation." }, { "start": 3995.3599999999997, "end": 3996.3599999999997, "text": " So it's fascinating to me." }, { "start": 3996.36, "end": 4003.32, "text": " Something I was also reminded about with the app discussion is also the Nissan Leaf." }, { "start": 4003.32, "end": 4009.56, "text": " I believe its application for the Leaf had this nice little function where you could" }, { "start": 4009.56, "end": 4011.84, "text": " turn on the engine early." }, { "start": 4011.84, "end": 4017.08, "text": " So if it's a season like it is right now, it's freezing cold outside, you could get" }, { "start": 4017.08, "end": 4022.2400000000002, "text": " the car warmed up at like 5 or 6 a.m. before you even get out of bed." }, { "start": 4022.2400000000002, "end": 4025.76, "text": " And then by the time you get into the car, it's already free." }, { "start": 4025.76, "end": 4028.4, "text": " Yeah, the Model S can do that too." }, { "start": 4028.4, "end": 4038.28, "text": " Although, interesting fact about that, which I didn't know, is that the ventilated heat" }, { "start": 4038.28, "end": 4043.2400000000002, "text": " is one of the least efficient things you can do in an EV and it drains the battery very" }, { "start": 4043.2400000000002, "end": 4044.32, "text": " fast." }, { "start": 4044.32, "end": 4050.6800000000003, "text": " So the Model S has a mode you can put it in where it replaces some or all of the ventilated" }, { "start": 4050.6800000000003, "end": 4053.8, "text": " heat with C heat." }, { "start": 4053.8, "end": 4055.8, "text": " And it does it automatically." }, { "start": 4055.8, "end": 4060.8, "text": " It automatically adjusts the heaters inside the seat up and down to match the temperature" }, { "start": 4060.8, "end": 4062.86, "text": " that you set in the dash." }, { "start": 4062.86, "end": 4067.0800000000004, "text": " And then that apparently saves a lot of energy that way, as opposed to just blasting the" }, { "start": 4067.0800000000004, "end": 4071.2000000000003, "text": " cabin with hot air." }, { "start": 4071.2000000000003, "end": 4073.44, "text": " That is really intimidating." }, { "start": 4073.44, "end": 4075.48, "text": " I didn't know that." }, { "start": 4075.48, "end": 4076.48, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 4076.48, "end": 4078.7000000000003, "text": " And the sensation isn't quite the same." }, { "start": 4078.7000000000003, "end": 4080.52, "text": " Your face is probably still freezing." }, { "start": 4080.52, "end": 4083.4, "text": " Your hands are freezing on the wheel." }, { "start": 4083.4, "end": 4086.76, "text": " Yeah, but if you can get another 10 miles of range out of it, then..." }, { "start": 4086.76, "end": 4091.36, "text": " Well, what I can say is my top tip is do the double zucker book." }, { "start": 4091.36, "end": 4097.96, "text": " That's what I'm calling it, which is put a hoodie on top of a hoodie, as I'm doing right" }, { "start": 4097.96, "end": 4098.96, "text": " now." }, { "start": 4098.96, "end": 4099.96, "text": " You're double zucking?" }, { "start": 4099.96, "end": 4101.56, "text": " Yeah, you're double zucking it." }, { "start": 4101.56, "end": 4102.56, "text": " I like it." }, { "start": 4102.56, "end": 4110.8, "text": " I do have to wonder though, in terms of cultural impact, particularly here in the UK, I know" }, { "start": 4110.8, "end": 4121, "text": " you guys in the US have the same association of hoodies and antisocial behavior and kids" }, { "start": 4121, "end": 4123.2, "text": " acting out and all of these things." }, { "start": 4123.2, "end": 4125.56, "text": " What happens when you're wearing two hoodies?" }, { "start": 4125.56, "end": 4130.76, "text": " Then people will be, hang on, he's wearing a hoodie, but then there's another one." }, { "start": 4130.76, "end": 4131.76, "text": " Is this like a double bloke?" }, { "start": 4131.76, "end": 4132.76, "text": " Is he like a double agent?" }, { "start": 4132.76, "end": 4135.6, "text": " I mean, how do you react to that?" }, { "start": 4135.6, "end": 4137.8, "text": " Does the one hoodie cancel out the other hoodie?" }, { "start": 4137.8, "end": 4138.8, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 4138.8, "end": 4144.72, "text": " So how insane is this guy not wearing something a bit more reasonable?" }, { "start": 4144.72, "end": 4151.320000000001, "text": " What you need to do, I think to complete the look, you need to have one hood in front and" }, { "start": 4151.320000000001, "end": 4153.360000000001, "text": " one in back." }, { "start": 4153.360000000001, "end": 4157.16, "text": " That way you can pull them up like this completely in case you're had." }, { "start": 4157.16, "end": 4159.72, "text": " That's like the Sherlock hat, right?" }, { "start": 4159.72, "end": 4160.72, "text": " It's what?" }, { "start": 4160.72, "end": 4167.4800000000005, "text": " It's like the Sherlock Holmes hat, where you have a boo on the front and a boo on the back." }, { "start": 4167.48, "end": 4172.759999999999, "text": " Yes, except you can completely encase your head." }, { "start": 4172.759999999999, "end": 4174.24, "text": " It's exactly like that, Chris." }, { "start": 4174.24, "end": 4175.24, "text": " There's no except." }, { "start": 4175.24, "end": 4176.24, "text": " It's exactly like that." }, { "start": 4176.24, "end": 4177.24, "text": " You're right." }, { "start": 4177.24, "end": 4179.2, "text": " It is exactly like a Sherlock Holmes hat." }, { "start": 4179.2, "end": 4180.2, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 4180.2, "end": 4184.839999999999, "text": " Just like the Sherlock Holmes hat, it speaks to your intelligence." }, { "start": 4184.839999999999, "end": 4185.839999999999, "text": " Do you own one?" }, { "start": 4185.839999999999, "end": 4186.839999999999, "text": " Do you own one?" }, { "start": 4186.839999999999, "end": 4187.839999999999, "text": " A Sherlock Holmes hat?" }, { "start": 4187.839999999999, "end": 4188.839999999999, "text": " No." }, { "start": 4188.839999999999, "end": 4189.839999999999, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 4189.839999999999, "end": 4192, "text": " But I own about a dozen hoodies." }, { "start": 4192, "end": 4193, "text": " I believe it." }, { "start": 4193, "end": 4194, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 4194, "end": 4195, "text": " Vlad Zuckerberg." }, { "start": 4195, "end": 4198.12, "text": " That's my middle name." }, { "start": 4198.12, "end": 4201.84, "text": " It's a revelation for you." }, { "start": 4201.84, "end": 4205.72, "text": " Do we have anything else mobile that we wanted to talk about the show today?" }, { "start": 4205.72, "end": 4211.04, "text": " We have like, according to our topic list, we have like 25 Blackberry things to talk" }, { "start": 4211.04, "end": 4212.04, "text": " about." }, { "start": 4212.04, "end": 4217.76, "text": " I think we've successfully dushed them very well." }, { "start": 4217.76, "end": 4223.08, "text": " I think the big news is obviously, is that Alicia Keys, Blackberry's global creative" }, { "start": 4223.08, "end": 4226.88, "text": " team, has been caught tweeting from her iPhone." }, { "start": 4226.88, "end": 4229.88, "text": " No, that's huge, man." }, { "start": 4229.88, "end": 4231.84, "text": " That's big news." }, { "start": 4231.84, "end": 4233.64, "text": " Everybody knew this was going to happen." }, { "start": 4233.64, "end": 4238.88, "text": " The best part of the story is not that it happened, but that she blamed it on people" }, { "start": 4238.88, "end": 4245.48, "text": " hacking her Twitter account to post some Drake lyrics, which is the most innocuous hack you" }, { "start": 4245.48, "end": 4249.24, "text": " could possibly have." }, { "start": 4249.24, "end": 4255.4, "text": " It's like the hackers were like, we're going to piss off Alicia's husband, Swizz Beatz," }, { "start": 4255.4, "end": 4259.04, "text": " by posting some Drake lyrics to her account." }, { "start": 4259.04, "end": 4261.08, "text": " It's innocuous unless you're Drake." }, { "start": 4261.08, "end": 4269.2, "text": " If Drake himself hacked Alicia Keys' Twitter account, then that's kind of a low blow." }, { "start": 4269.2, "end": 4270.2, "text": " Respect." }, { "start": 4270.2, "end": 4271.76, "text": " Nothing but respect for Drake." }, { "start": 4271.76, "end": 4272.76, "text": " YOLO." }, { "start": 4272.76, "end": 4276.639999999999, "text": " But I'm just saying." }, { "start": 4276.639999999999, "end": 4278.599999999999, "text": " It could have been Drake." }, { "start": 4278.6, "end": 4280.64, "text": " I am drowning in this conversation." }, { "start": 4280.64, "end": 4283.04, "text": " I have no idea what's going on." }, { "start": 4283.04, "end": 4286.08, "text": " Drake may actually be the leader of Anonymous." }, { "start": 4286.08, "end": 4287.96, "text": " Could be." }, { "start": 4287.96, "end": 4288.96, "text": " Anonymous, Jizzy." }, { "start": 4288.96, "end": 4289.96, "text": " You never know." }, { "start": 4289.96, "end": 4290.96, "text": " He probably has a name." }, { "start": 4290.96, "end": 4291.96, "text": " Doesn't that just disqualify you?" }, { "start": 4291.96, "end": 4296.96, "text": " It's kind of like being married and being a candidate for the papacy." }, { "start": 4296.96, "end": 4303.240000000001, "text": " But instead of getting a name, that's it." }, { "start": 4303.24, "end": 4310.5199999999995, "text": " It's too late." }, { "start": 4310.5199999999995, "end": 4313.16, "text": " That was a very relevant analogy." }, { "start": 4313.16, "end": 4314.16, "text": " I know." }, { "start": 4314.16, "end": 4316.16, "text": " We're encompassing everything here." }, { "start": 4316.16, "end": 4323.5599999999995, "text": " There was a piece of news that happened in the past week." }, { "start": 4323.5599999999995, "end": 4327.96, "text": " Mobile related, tangentially mobile related, not mobile related at all." }, { "start": 4327.96, "end": 4332.24, "text": " I am determined to dodge all those freaking BlackBerry topics." }, { "start": 4332.24, "end": 4334.76, "text": " I am determined and I will get them." }, { "start": 4334.76, "end": 4337.32, "text": " It was actually quite hilarious." }, { "start": 4337.32, "end": 4341.32, "text": " We can give people a bit of a behind the scenes look." }, { "start": 4341.32, "end": 4348.5199999999995, "text": " In the European newsroom, when the whole news about the Pope retiring came up, we were like," }, { "start": 4348.5199999999995, "end": 4350.679999999999, "text": " that's massive, massive news." }, { "start": 4350.679999999999, "end": 4351.679999999999, "text": " How do we write about it?" }, { "start": 4351.679999999999, "end": 4357.04, "text": " Then we were sitting around for a good five minutes thinking, is there a technology angle" }, { "start": 4357.04, "end": 4358.04, "text": " to this?" }, { "start": 4358.04, "end": 4360.04, "text": " Because everybody is freaking out." }, { "start": 4360.04, "end": 4361.5199999999995, "text": " Twitter is freaking out." }, { "start": 4361.52, "end": 4365.6, "text": " The BBC is trying to cover it but doesn't have any information." }, { "start": 4365.6, "end": 4369.4400000000005, "text": " It was just kind of nuts because it's like massive breaking news." }, { "start": 4369.4400000000005, "end": 4372.96, "text": " You're like, well, actually this doesn't really relate to us." }, { "start": 4372.96, "end": 4375.320000000001, "text": " It's a shame he didn't tweet that he was retiring." }, { "start": 4375.320000000001, "end": 4379.360000000001, "text": " Yeah, if he had, it would have been like bang, bang, bang." }, { "start": 4379.360000000001, "end": 4382.360000000001, "text": " Yes, we would have had a news story." }, { "start": 4382.360000000001, "end": 4383.360000000001, "text": " But he didn't." }, { "start": 4383.360000000001, "end": 4385.360000000001, "text": " He even announced it and that's it." }, { "start": 4385.36, "end": 4392.12, "text": " You know what's hilarious actually is apparently the journalist who broke the news broke it" }, { "start": 4392.12, "end": 4394.639999999999, "text": " first because she knew that's it." }, { "start": 4394.639999999999, "end": 4402.12, "text": " Talk about applying a niche skill in a high-priced job like that." }, { "start": 4402.12, "end": 4409.639999999999, "text": " You break the news of the first Pope retirement in centuries and centuries by using an outdated" }, { "start": 4409.639999999999, "end": 4410.639999999999, "text": " language." }, { "start": 4410.64, "end": 4420.04, "text": " I'm sure there's some metaphors to do with Symbian here that we can bring in." }, { "start": 4420.04, "end": 4425.92, "text": " If we ever talk about Symbian on a Verge Mobile show, we know that it's time to wrap it up." }, { "start": 4425.92, "end": 4428.400000000001, "text": " That should be our benchmark." }, { "start": 4428.400000000001, "end": 4431.6, "text": " Once we hit Symbian, it's time to." }, { "start": 4431.6, "end": 4437.4400000000005, "text": " So on that note, that was a crazy episode 35 this week." }, { "start": 4437.44, "end": 4444.759999999999, "text": " I just want to say, unlike episode 35, next week's episode 35 is going to be with Soksof" }, { "start": 4444.759999999999, "end": 4447.679999999999, "text": " because it actually coincides with HTC's event." }, { "start": 4447.679999999999, "end": 4450.96, "text": " Yes, we'll actually have something new to talk about that will be officially on the" }, { "start": 4450.96, "end": 4455.799999999999, "text": " record and we won't be playing the rumor game next week." }, { "start": 4455.799999999999, "end": 4457.16, "text": " I have the scoop on it." }, { "start": 4457.16, "end": 4461.48, "text": " It's the flyer 2." }, { "start": 4461.48, "end": 4466.04, "text": " The flyer 2 with two pens." }, { "start": 4466.04, "end": 4472.44, "text": " Dual pens, oh man, that would blow my mind straight out of the front of my skull." }, { "start": 4472.44, "end": 4476.5199999999995, "text": " How epic of a troll would that be if HTC did that?" }, { "start": 4476.5199999999995, "end": 4480.76, "text": " Dual pens, that would be amazing." }, { "start": 4480.76, "end": 4483.5199999999995, "text": " And they could have some play on S Pen." }, { "start": 4483.5199999999995, "end": 4486.6, "text": " I don't know what it would be exactly, but they could do something clever." }, { "start": 4486.6, "end": 4489.8, "text": " Or S Pens they could call it." }, { "start": 4489.8, "end": 4496.64, "text": " Their branding is 1X and 1S and 1V, so maybe HTC 1 Pen." }, { "start": 4496.64, "end": 4498.64, "text": " No 2 Pen, HTC 2 Pen." }, { "start": 4498.64, "end": 4501.64, "text": " But that doesn't fit their branding." }, { "start": 4501.64, "end": 4505.4400000000005, "text": " They need 1 Pen to rule them all." }, { "start": 4505.4400000000005, "end": 4509.68, "text": " I love that, but yeah." }, { "start": 4509.68, "end": 4511.68, "text": " So thank you guys for tuning in." }, { "start": 4511.68, "end": 4514.04, "text": " Of course this has been the Verge Mobile Show." }, { "start": 4514.04, "end": 4517.08, "text": " If you want to follow us on Twitter, I'm DC Seifert." }, { "start": 4517.08, "end": 4518.08, "text": " Vlad is Vlad Savov." }, { "start": 4518.08, "end": 4519.92, "text": " He will not follow you back." }, { "start": 4519.92, "end": 4521.64, "text": " And Chris is ZPower." }, { "start": 4521.64, "end": 4524.96, "text": " And Dieter is Backlon." }, { "start": 4524.96, "end": 4527.64, "text": " And hopefully he'll be with us next week." }, { "start": 4527.64, "end": 4528.64, "text": " And that's it." }, { "start": 4528.64, "end": 4529.64, "text": " Thanks guys." }, { "start": 4529.64, "end": 4530.64, "text": " See you in a week." }, { "start": 4530.64, "end": 4549.64, "text": " Take care." } ]

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would get in, and the doors" }, { "start": 303.36, "end": 306.28000000000003, "text": " would lock, or I would lock the doors, or something would" }, { "start": 306.28000000000003, "end": 308.28000000000003, "text": " happen, and then they would want to get in the passenger" }, { "start": 308.28000000000003, "end": 309.36, "text": " seat, and the car was locked." }, { "start": 309.36, "end": 311.56, "text": " And the door handles completely retracted." }, { "start": 311.56, "end": 312.96000000000004, "text": " Right, right, right, right." }, { "start": 312.96000000000004, "end": 316.92, "text": " And then the only way to let them into the car is to go a" }, { "start": 316.92, "end": 321.36, "text": " couple menus deep, and then you find there's an overhead" }, { "start": 321.36, "end": 323.8, "text": " view of the car with all the different lock toggles" }, { "start": 323.8, "end": 324.52000000000004, "text": " available to you." }, { "start": 324.52000000000004, "end": 326.6, "text": " And then you can unlock the doors." }, { "start": 326.6, "end": 329, "text": " So it would take a good 10 seconds to" }, { "start": 329, "end": 329.96000000000004, "text": " get them into the car." }, { "start": 329.96000000000004, "end": 331.6, "text": " There's no switch on the door?" }, { "start": 331.6, "end": 332.96000000000004, "text": " No." }, { "start": 332.96000000000004, "end": 334.76, "text": " No, I don't think so." }, { "start": 334.76, "end": 336.8, "text": " It's just window controls, I think." }, { "start": 336.8, "end": 338, "text": " I'm trying to picture the interior of the car." }, { "start": 338, "end": 341.08, "text": " I don't think there's a physical switch for the locks." }, { "start": 341.08, "end": 342.64, "text": " So yeah, I kept doing that." }, { "start": 342.64, "end": 346.76, "text": " And I think it got them a little frustrated with me." }, { "start": 346.76, "end": 348.72, "text": " And what about just opening the door from the inside," }, { "start": 348.72, "end": 350.28, "text": " like leaning over?" }, { "start": 350.28, "end": 352.64, "text": " Yeah, you could do that, or you could pull the fob out of" }, { "start": 352.64, "end": 356.68, "text": " your pocket and double click one of the buttons to unlock" }, { "start": 356.68, "end": 357.12, "text": " the doors." }, { "start": 357.12, "end": 358.84, "text": " That's another option." }, { "start": 358.84, "end": 361.48, "text": " But I just ended up using the screen." }, { "start": 361.48, "end": 363.32, "text": " Not the fastest function in the world, but then again," }, { "start": 363.32, "end": 365.32, "text": " it's not something you need to do while you're driving." }, { "start": 365.32, "end": 366.48, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 366.48, "end": 369.04, "text": " All right, let's move on." }, { "start": 369.04, "end": 373.6, "text": " Paul from Twitter says, when will the Supercharger network" }, { "start": 373.6, "end": 375.72, "text": " be available in Europe?" }, { "start": 375.72, "end": 377.24, "text": " Hopefully this isn't Paul Miller." }, { "start": 377.24, "end": 378.48, "text": " Otherwise, he's cheating." }, { "start": 380.92, "end": 384.72, "text": " In Europe, I don't know, to be very honest with you." }, { "start": 384.72, "end": 387, "text": " I know that they're concentrating on the US right" }, { "start": 387, "end": 390.12, "text": " now, and they have a lot of work to do there, because they" }, { "start": 390.12, "end": 394.36, "text": " want to get to 100 stations by 2015, and they only have," }, { "start": 394.36, "end": 396.96000000000004, "text": " what I want to say, eight or 10 right now." }, { "start": 396.96000000000004, "end": 398.48, "text": " And they're just on the coast." }, { "start": 398.48, "end": 401.04, "text": " They have a few on the West Coast, and I think two or three" }, { "start": 401.04, "end": 401.84000000000003, "text": " on the East." }, { "start": 401.84000000000003, "end": 403.56, "text": " Those are regular charging stations or the" }, { "start": 403.56, "end": 404.44, "text": " Supercharger stations?" }, { "start": 404.44, "end": 405.64, "text": " Those are Superchargers." }, { "start": 405.64, "end": 410.08000000000004, "text": " So the way Tesla described it to me is they want to get to" }, { "start": 410.08000000000004, "end": 413.90000000000003, "text": " an H formation, so that they'll have Superchargers all" }, { "start": 413.90000000000003, "end": 415.8, "text": " down the West Coast, Superchargers all down the East" }, { "start": 415.8, "end": 419.40000000000003, "text": " Coast, and then a bar across the country that allows you to" }, { "start": 419.40000000000003, "end": 422.68, "text": " get across without having to plan a stop at a level two" }, { "start": 422.68, "end": 427, "text": " charger, and then get a hotel and let it charge overnight." }, { "start": 427, "end": 428.64, "text": " But they're a long way from that." }, { "start": 428.64, "end": 430.6, "text": " They have no Superchargers in the middle of the" }, { "start": 430.6, "end": 431.40000000000003, "text": " country right now." }, { "start": 431.40000000000003, "end": 436, "text": " So the only way to do a cross-country trip is to, like" }, { "start": 436, "end": 438.56, "text": " I said, plan a route along level two chargers, which take" }, { "start": 438.56, "end": 439.56, "text": " a lot longer." }, { "start": 439.56, "end": 442.28000000000003, "text": " But as for Europe, I don't know." }, { "start": 442.28000000000003, "end": 443.96000000000004, "text": " There might be some information on Tesla's site" }, { "start": 443.96000000000004, "end": 446.32, "text": " about that, but I'm afraid I don't know offhand." }, { "start": 446.32, "end": 448.64, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 448.64, "end": 450.28000000000003, "text": " So this is sort of a question relating." }, { "start": 450.28000000000003, "end": 451.48, "text": " Gas stations are everywhere." }, { "start": 451.48, "end": 454.56, "text": " So if traditional cars run out of gas, run out of fuel, a" }, { "start": 454.56, "end": 455.72, "text": " gas station is nearby." }, { "start": 455.72, "end": 459.08000000000004, "text": " Have you felt any anxiety about running out of electricity" }, { "start": 459.08000000000004, "end": 461.32, "text": " and not being near a place to charge it?" }, { "start": 461.32, "end": 461.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 461.68, "end": 463.12, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 463.12, "end": 467.24, "text": " If you watch our video, there's a prominent section in" }, { "start": 467.24, "end": 473.04, "text": " it where, I'm sorry, is the Hangout OK?" }, { "start": 473.04, "end": 475.88, "text": " I just got a note that it might not be active right now." }, { "start": 475.88, "end": 478, "text": " Or is it active?" }, { "start": 478, "end": 479.40000000000003, "text": " I think it should be." }, { "start": 479.40000000000003, "end": 480.6, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 480.6, "end": 481.56, "text": " Sorry." }, { "start": 481.56, "end": 486.16, "text": " Yeah, there's a prominent section in our video where we" }, { "start": 486.16, "end": 488.96000000000004, "text": " very nearly run out of juice trying to get to" }, { "start": 488.96000000000004, "end": 491.68, "text": " Morro Bay, California, which was our night one stop." }, { "start": 491.68, "end": 493.12, "text": " We had a two-day trip." }, { "start": 493.12, "end": 495.92, "text": " And our night one trip was through a place called Morro" }, { "start": 495.92, "end": 499.20000000000005, "text": " Bay, which is about halfway up the Pacific" }, { "start": 499.20000000000005, "end": 501.76000000000005, "text": " coast of California." }, { "start": 501.76000000000005, "end": 505.24, "text": " And yeah, we got there with one mile left of range, and I" }, { "start": 505.24, "end": 508.40000000000003, "text": " was sweating bullets." }, { "start": 508.40000000000003, "end": 510.56, "text": " I was not comfortable for a few minutes there." }, { "start": 510.56, "end": 516.44, "text": " We had driven past San Luis Obispo about 15 or 20 miles" }, { "start": 516.44, "end": 518.2, "text": " before we got to Morro Bay." }, { "start": 518.2, "end": 519.68, "text": " And I'm sure that we could have found a" }, { "start": 519.68, "end": 521.44, "text": " level two charger there." }, { "start": 521.44, "end": 523.04, "text": " And we were kind of deciding." }, { "start": 523.04, "end": 524.84, "text": " We were right on the bubble with the range." }, { "start": 524.84, "end": 526.04, "text": " And we were like, well, should we stop?" }, { "start": 526.04, "end": 527.16, "text": " Should we keep going?" }, { "start": 527.16, "end": 529.92, "text": " And we decided to just forge ahead." }, { "start": 529.92, "end": 533.88, "text": " And yeah, it was very, very close." }, { "start": 533.88, "end": 535.84, "text": " This is sort of a question coming from me." }, { "start": 535.84, "end": 538.6, "text": " Does it have the reserve tank?" }, { "start": 538.6, "end": 541.6800000000001, "text": " Now some cars technically have that, whatever it is." }, { "start": 541.6800000000001, "end": 544.5600000000001, "text": " Is there something like that in the Tesla, where it reserves" }, { "start": 544.5600000000001, "end": 548.72, "text": " something in case you come into that sort of emergency?" }, { "start": 548.72, "end": 557.5600000000001, "text": " Well, what Tesla told us is that when you get to zero" }, { "start": 557.5600000000001, "end": 563.64, "text": " range, you're not necessarily just going to die on the side" }, { "start": 563.64, "end": 565.44, "text": " of the road." }, { "start": 565.44, "end": 570.08, "text": " There have been tales of Model S owners and drivers who" }, { "start": 570.08, "end": 571.6400000000001, "text": " pushed it beyond zero." }, { "start": 571.6400000000001, "end": 572.72, "text": " We didn't get to that point." }, { "start": 572.72, "end": 575.32, "text": " We didn't want to get to that point." }, { "start": 575.32, "end": 581.0400000000001, "text": " But one thing that does happen is when you get close to zero," }, { "start": 581.0400000000001, "end": 583.6, "text": " I think it starts happening around 20 miles of range, you" }, { "start": 583.6, "end": 592.36, "text": " get this dashed orange line in the instrument cluster that" }, { "start": 592.36, "end": 598.24, "text": " indicates an amount of power that you can't push the motor" }, { "start": 598.24, "end": 600.48, "text": " beyond, and that's because the battery isn't capable of it" }, { "start": 600.48, "end": 602.5600000000001, "text": " anymore, or at least not safely." }, { "start": 602.5600000000001, "end": 604.6, "text": " And that orange line keeps going down and down and down" }, { "start": 604.6, "end": 607.12, "text": " as you get closer to zero range." }, { "start": 607.12, "end": 611.96, "text": " And then you get to the point right around zero miles to go" }, { "start": 611.96, "end": 614.64, "text": " where you can just barely accelerate." }, { "start": 614.64, "end": 617.76, "text": " And that's the point that we got to by the time we hit the" }, { "start": 617.76, "end": 620.64, "text": " level two charger in Morro Bay." }, { "start": 620.64, "end": 626.08, "text": " So it sort of caps the car and really condenses what energy" }, { "start": 626.08, "end": 627.1999999999999, "text": " you have left." }, { "start": 627.1999999999999, "end": 627.68, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 627.68, "end": 631.88, "text": " Yeah, you're not going to be racing Porsche Panameras when" }, { "start": 631.88, "end": 633.72, "text": " you get close to zero range, unfortunately." }, { "start": 633.72, "end": 638.3199999999999, "text": " But to answer your original question, yes, you can probably" }, { "start": 638.3199999999999, "end": 640.72, "text": " push it past zero, but I certainly would not want to be" }, { "start": 640.72, "end": 642.24, "text": " the guy that has to do that." }, { "start": 642.24, "end": 643.28, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 643.28, "end": 644.1999999999999, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 644.1999999999999, "end": 645.76, "text": " This is from YouTube." }, { "start": 645.76, "end": 653.56, "text": " J. Fedor asks, what is the platform that the touch" }, { "start": 653.56, "end": 654.4, "text": " screen's running on?" }, { "start": 654.4, "end": 655.8, "text": " Is it based on Android?" }, { "start": 655.8, "end": 658.08, "text": " Or what is it?" }, { "start": 658.08, "end": 665.48, "text": " As far as I know, the car's UI is some custom solution on" }, { "start": 665.48, "end": 669.64, "text": " top of real time OS or Linux." }, { "start": 669.64, "end": 674.6, "text": " It's not Android, but I can tell you that the center" }, { "start": 674.6, "end": 677.5600000000001, "text": " cluster is running on a Tegra 3, and I believe the" }, { "start": 677.5600000000001, "end": 681.0400000000001, "text": " instrument cluster is running on a Tegra 2." }, { "start": 681.0400000000001, "end": 684.64, "text": " And let's put it this way." }, { "start": 684.64, "end": 688.4, "text": " I think that the car would benefit from a Tegra 4," }, { "start": 688.4, "end": 691.48, "text": " because especially in the web browser, which was a little" }, { "start": 691.48, "end": 698.88, "text": " laggy, again, like I said in the piece, I don't believe" }, { "start": 698.88, "end": 701.6800000000001, "text": " that a driver should ever have access to a web browser while" }, { "start": 701.6800000000001, "end": 702.76, "text": " rolling, while stopping." }, { "start": 702.76, "end": 704.64, "text": " And you do, in the Tesla you do, right?" }, { "start": 704.64, "end": 708.92, "text": " Yeah, especially a bad one, which this one was." }, { "start": 708.92, "end": 711.64, "text": " But I do think that in terms of performance, maybe it's" }, { "start": 711.64, "end": 713.36, "text": " just the size of the display and the resolution." }, { "start": 713.36, "end": 714.08, "text": " I don't really know." }, { "start": 714.08, "end": 717.04, "text": " But for whatever reason, it performed very poorly," }, { "start": 717.04, "end": 720.92, "text": " especially on a really design intensive site like the Verge." }, { "start": 720.92, "end": 723.36, "text": " So yeah, they would probably benefit from a hardware upgrade." }, { "start": 723.36, "end": 726.2, "text": " Is that attributed to the network connection, or you" }, { "start": 726.2, "end": 727.56, "text": " think it's strictly the hardware?" }, { "start": 727.56, "end": 728.76, "text": " It's the hardware, yeah." }, { "start": 728.76, "end": 732.6, "text": " Because you could let the site load completely, and then" }, { "start": 732.6, "end": 733.52, "text": " it'll still lag." }, { "start": 733.52, "end": 737.2, "text": " Yeah, like swipe around, and it's really laggy." }, { "start": 737.2, "end": 741.24, "text": " And also, it doesn't appear to support any kind of video," }, { "start": 741.24, "end": 743.96, "text": " HTML5 or Flash." }, { "start": 743.96, "end": 749.64, "text": " So if you want to watch the Tesla, in your Tesla, to do" }, { "start": 749.64, "end": 752.4, "text": " something really meta, you just can't, unless you bring a" }, { "start": 752.4, "end": 754.08, "text": " laptop or a tablet along with you." }, { "start": 754.08, "end": 755.24, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 755.24, "end": 757, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 757, "end": 761.72, "text": " This question's from Sam Zebian from YouTube." }, { "start": 761.72, "end": 764.76, "text": " How fast did you guys push the car?" }, { "start": 764.76, "end": 767.24, "text": " Fast in the field of style." }, { "start": 767.24, "end": 769.96, "text": " How fast?" }, { "start": 769.96, "end": 771.9200000000001, "text": " This is going to be kind of a cop-out answer." }, { "start": 771.9200000000001, "end": 775.52, "text": " But the short answer is I don't know." }, { "start": 775.52, "end": 779.84, "text": " Because there were definitely a few straightaways along the" }, { "start": 779.84, "end": 785.84, "text": " PCH that were completely empty and devoid of cars, where we" }, { "start": 785.84, "end": 786.84, "text": " opened it up." }, { "start": 786.84, "end": 791.2, "text": " But I was so focused on paying attention to the road ahead" }, { "start": 791.2, "end": 794.44, "text": " of me and my surroundings that I wasn't actually looking at" }, { "start": 794.44, "end": 795, "text": " the speedometer." }, { "start": 795, "end": 797.96, "text": " So the short answer is I don't know." }, { "start": 797.96, "end": 801.6, "text": " But the car, it feels like when you put the accelerator to" }, { "start": 801.6, "end": 806.8000000000001, "text": " the floor, it feels like the car will just propel itself" }, { "start": 806.8000000000001, "end": 808.88, "text": " forever, and eventually you'll hit the speed of light." }, { "start": 808.88, "end": 812.9200000000001, "text": " And then some weird relativity stuff will happen, and time" }, { "start": 812.9200000000001, "end": 813.96, "text": " will bend." }, { "start": 813.96, "end": 815.48, "text": " It's insane." }, { "start": 815.48, "end": 817.48, "text": " The car feels unlike anything I've ever" }, { "start": 817.48, "end": 819.32, "text": " experienced in my life." }, { "start": 819.32, "end": 822.1600000000001, "text": " In terms of performance, right, and thrust and torque." }, { "start": 822.1600000000001, "end": 825.84, "text": " Yeah, not because it's, I mean, I've been in some very" }, { "start": 825.84, "end": 827.84, "text": " fast cars." }, { "start": 827.84, "end": 832.44, "text": " But the way the car accelerates is very foreign." }, { "start": 832.44, "end": 838.1600000000001, "text": " Because it's so smooth and so linear throughout the entire" }, { "start": 838.1600000000001, "end": 841.96, "text": " range of acceleration and speed." }, { "start": 841.96, "end": 845.6, "text": " There's no traditional torque curve like in an internal" }, { "start": 845.6, "end": 846.32, "text": " combustion engine." }, { "start": 846.32, "end": 848.08, "text": " So it feels very weird." }, { "start": 848.08, "end": 851.5600000000001, "text": " Even if you're accustomed to a car that can do 0 to 60 in" }, { "start": 851.5600000000001, "end": 852.8000000000001, "text": " under five seconds." }, { "start": 855.9200000000001, "end": 856.84, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 856.84, "end": 860.5600000000001, "text": " We've got plenty more questions to go through here." }, { "start": 860.5600000000001, "end": 862.88, "text": " This is from Sam Hector on YouTube." }, { "start": 862.88, "end": 864.0400000000001, "text": " What's next for Tesla?" }, { "start": 864.0400000000001, "end": 868.08, "text": " Interim updates to the sedan or diversifying it to SUVs and" }, { "start": 868.08, "end": 869.5600000000001, "text": " other types of vehicles?" }, { "start": 869.5600000000001, "end": 873.76, "text": " The first thing you're going to see, well, it's anybody's" }, { "start": 873.76, "end": 874.24, "text": " guess, really." }, { "start": 874.24, "end": 876.48, "text": " Because they were, like I said in the piece, they were" }, { "start": 876.48, "end": 879.88, "text": " actually really secretive about what was going on in the" }, { "start": 879.88, "end": 882, "text": " design studio in LA." }, { "start": 882, "end": 886.72, "text": " But it's pretty widely understood that their next" }, { "start": 886.72, "end": 889, "text": " thing is the Model X. They've been showing" }, { "start": 889, "end": 890.6800000000001, "text": " it off for a while now." }, { "start": 890.6800000000001, "end": 893.6800000000001, "text": " They have the concept version of it in the design studio." }, { "start": 893.6800000000001, "end": 895.08, "text": " What is the Model X?" }, { "start": 895.08, "end": 897.28, "text": " The Model X is their SUV." }, { "start": 897.28, "end": 902.6800000000001, "text": " And the really notable thing about this SUV is that it has" }, { "start": 902.6800000000001, "end": 904.28, "text": " these so-called Falcon wings." }, { "start": 904.28, "end": 908.24, "text": " Where instead of having four doors that open to the side," }, { "start": 908.24, "end": 913.4399999999999, "text": " like a normal SUV, the doors open straight up." }, { "start": 913.4399999999999, "end": 916.28, "text": " Kind of like a gull wing." }, { "start": 916.28, "end": 917.52, "text": " Like a McLaren doors?" }, { "start": 923, "end": 926.28, "text": 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And they also kind of hinted that" }, { "start": 1062.6, "end": 1067.24, "text": " they're looking for ways to get into a more affordable car." }, { "start": 1067.24, "end": 1069.12, "text": " Yeah, that was someone's next question, too." }, { "start": 1069.12, "end": 1070.6399999999999, "text": " Is there a timetable to bring the prices" }, { "start": 1070.6399999999999, "end": 1072.1599999999999, "text": " down to Prius level?" }, { "start": 1072.1599999999999, "end": 1074.54, "text": " Yeah, for the Model S, I don't think that's" }, { "start": 1074.54, "end": 1075.8, "text": " necessarily their goal." }, { "start": 1075.8, "end": 1077.76, "text": " It's definitely a premium vehicle." }, { "start": 1077.76, "end": 1079.84, "text": " It feels really premium inside and out." }, { "start": 1079.84, "end": 1083.28, "text": " But you look at things like the Nissan Leaf, and even the" }, { "start": 1083.28, "end": 1091.04, "text": " Chevy Volt, and the Mitsubishi Niav, I think it's called." }, { "start": 1091.04, "end": 1095.36, "text": " There's obviously a demand and an interest in lower cost," }, { "start": 1095.36, "end": 1097.6399999999999, "text": " maybe smaller EVs." }, { "start": 1097.6399999999999, "end": 1101.1599999999999, "text": " And that's something that when I talked to Franz von" }, { "start": 1101.1599999999999, "end": 1103.52, "text": " Holzhausen, he definitely indicated that that's" }, { "start": 1103.52, "end": 1105.8, "text": " something that they're interested in pursuing longer" }, { "start": 1105.8, "end": 1108.4, "text": " term, and they're kind of exploring ways to do that." }, { "start": 1108.4, "end": 1111.24, "text": " But the next project is the Model X. 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"text": " earlier." }, { "start": 1168.4, "end": 1171.28, "text": " That was not there when the car launched." }, { "start": 1171.28, "end": 1173.92, "text": " Drivers requested it, so they just added it in a firmware" }, { "start": 1173.92, "end": 1176.3600000000001, "text": " update, which is pretty neat." }, { "start": 1176.3600000000001, "end": 1182.44, "text": " So relating to that question directly, Ashwin Rajani," }, { "start": 1182.44, "end": 1185.3200000000002, "text": " sorry if I butchered your name, from Twitter is asking," }, { "start": 1185.3200000000002, "end": 1187.8400000000001, "text": " how does the technology in the Model S compare to other" }, { "start": 1187.8400000000001, "end": 1188.96, "text": " techie cars?" }, { "start": 1188.96, "end": 1191.68, "text": " Audi with Google Earth, BMW iDrive, Ford SYNC," }, { "start": 1191.68, "end": 1194.56, "text": " Mercedes, et cetera?" }, { "start": 1194.56, "end": 1196.8, "text": " Very good question." }, { "start": 1196.8, "end": 1200.8, "text": " In terms of the overall capability of the car, excuse" }, { "start": 1200.8, "end": 1206.32, "text": " me, of the ICE, the center console, the electronics of" }, { "start": 1206.32, "end": 1211.68, "text": " the car, I would put it about a half step beyond the most" }, { "start": 1211.68, "end": 1214.48, "text": " advanced systems from mainstream manufacturers on" }, { "start": 1214.48, "end": 1215.52, "text": " the market right now." }, { "start": 1215.52, "end": 1218.3600000000001, "text": " Those being Audi and iDrive primarily." }, { "start": 1218.36, "end": 1220.52, "text": " But they're all kind of in that same mix." }, { "start": 1224.32, "end": 1228.4399999999998, "text": " The cars have their own cellular data connections." }, { "start": 1228.4399999999998, "end": 1231.28, "text": " Audi and BMW just upgraded to LTE or in the process of" }, { "start": 1231.28, "end": 1232.1599999999999, "text": " doing so." }, { "start": 1232.1599999999999, 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1267.36, "end": 1272.9199999999998, "text": " It's such a heavily regulated industry, the car business," }, { "start": 1272.9199999999998, "end": 1273.76, "text": " for obvious reasons." }, { "start": 1273.76, "end": 1275.56, "text": " Safety." }, { "start": 1275.56, "end": 1279.24, "text": " That it's very difficult for them to do really anything." }, { "start": 1279.24, "end": 1281.84, "text": " And I think they're a little gun shy about doing really" }, { "start": 1281.84, "end": 1283.56, "text": " radically different things." }, { "start": 1283.56, "end": 1285.12, "text": " Because of the regulations?" }, { "start": 1285.12, "end": 1285.6, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1285.6, "end": 1285.84, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1285.84, "end": 1288.96, "text": " With human computer interaction and just in" }, { "start": 1288.96, "end": 1291.24, "text": " general, the way the driver interacts with the car." }, { "start": 1291.24, "end": 1297.56, "text": " Tesla, I think, felt 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think that over the course of the next 10 years," }, { "start": 1325.28, "end": 1326.9599999999998, "text": " to get back to your original question, I think you're going" }, { "start": 1326.9599999999998, "end": 1330.84, "text": " to see the old guard car companies, the BMWs, the" }, { "start": 1330.84, "end": 1333.72, "text": " Fords, the Mercedes of the world, you're going to see" }, { "start": 1333.72, "end": 1337.24, "text": " them incrementally catch up to what Tesla is doing in terms" }, { "start": 1337.24, "end": 1338.76, "text": " of interface." }, { "start": 1338.76, "end": 1341.8, "text": " And you're going to see Tesla kind of like, I don't want to" }, { "start": 1341.8, "end": 1344.76, "text": " say stagnate, but you're going to see them kind of level out" }, { "start": 1344.76, "end": 1347.3799999999999, "text": " as the regulations catch up with them." }, { "start": 1347.3799999999999, "end": 1349.76, "text": " And so I don't think they're going to have that radical" }, { 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app drawer, basically, like you would find" }, { "start": 1379.1200000000001, "end": 1380.84, "text": " on Android or anything else." }, { "start": 1380.84, "end": 1382.96, "text": " Are they installed in the console themselves or from" }, { "start": 1382.96, "end": 1384.2, "text": " your phone?" }, { "start": 1384.2, "end": 1389.44, "text": " They're, well, Tesla has not talked about how that's going" }, { "start": 1389.44, "end": 1391.68, "text": " to work exactly, but it's pretty apparent that they're" }, { "start": 1391.68, "end": 1394.28, "text": " going to end up having a way to install extra" }, { "start": 1394.28, "end": 1396.76, "text": " apps in the car." }, { "start": 1396.76, "end": 1399.92, "text": " Because right now, they have Slacker, but it's obvious that" }, { "start": 1399.92, "end": 1403, "text": " they want RDO, they want Spotify, they want all these" }, { "start": 1403, "end": 1407.88, "text": " things, and the car has smartphone integration, but" }, { "start": 1407.88, "end": 1412.92, "text": " not to the same extent that Ford Sync does, or GM's, what" }, { "start": 1412.92, "end": 1415.2, "text": " is it called, MyLink, I think, is what GM uses." }, { "start": 1415.2, "end": 1418, "text": " So it's not to that level of smartphone integration." }, { "start": 1418, "end": 1421.64, "text": " In Tesla, you can connect the phone and Bluetooth and all" }, { "start": 1421.64, "end": 1425.36, "text": " that jazz, but it's not like you have all these apps on the" }, { "start": 1425.36, "end": 1428.16, "text": " phone that are tightly integrated with the center" }, { "start": 1428.16, "end": 1430.92, "text": " console right now." }, { "start": 1430.92, "end": 1433.66, "text": " But the impression I get is that they're going to end up" }, { "start": 1433.66, "end": 1438.12, "text": " having apps that are installed in the dash, and then maybe" }, { "start": 1438.12, "end": 1439.24, "text": " they'll talk to the phone in some way." }, { "start": 1439.24, "end": 1439.68, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 1439.68, "end": 1443.68, "text": " But I think that the center console for Tesla is going to" }, { "start": 1443.68, "end": 1446.36, "text": " be the primary point of interaction." }, { "start": 1446.36, "end": 1447.68, "text": " OK, cool." }, { "start": 1447.68, "end": 1448.92, "text": " Let's move on." }, { "start": 1452.4, "end": 1455.48, "text": " Someone asked, let me find this question here." }, { "start": 1455.48, "end": 1458.68, "text": " Be honest, Chris, would you own a Model S or an M5?" }, { "start": 1466.2, "end": 1466.64, "text": " Both?" }, { "start": 1466.64, "end": 1469.2, "text": " Is that a valid answer?" }, { "start": 1469.2, "end": 1476, "text": " The M5 is a really stellar vehicle in many ways." }, { "start": 1476, "end": 1479.52, "text": " I mean, the short answer to your question is I would own" }, { "start": 1479.52, "end": 1482.68, "text": " an M6 Grand Coupe after seeing it at a couple" }, { "start": 1482.68, "end": 1484.84, "text": " auto shows recently." }, { "start": 1484.84, "end": 1489.24, "text": " But the M5 is a really amazing car with a really amazing" }, { "start": 1489.24, "end": 1491.92, "text": " engine and a lot of great things going for it." }, { "start": 1491.92, "end": 1498.4, "text": " I think that the Model S is also an amazing car, but the" }, { "start": 1498.4, "end": 1501.12, "text": " infrastructure isn't quite there yet to make it practical" }, { "start": 1501.12, "end": 1505, "text": " for every way that you would traditionally use a car." }, { "start": 1505, "end": 1511.28, "text": " It's obviously great for urban and suburban trips, but it's" }, { "start": 1511.28, "end": 1514.2, "text": " still at the point right now where a planning and cross" }, { "start": 1514.2, "end": 1518, "text": " country trip would be a really, or even like a state" }, { "start": 1518, "end": 1520.8, "text": " to state trip would be like a really stressful thing." }, { "start": 1520.8, "end": 1523.72, "text": " And you don't always want to have to worry about that." }, { "start": 1523.72, "end": 1526.96, "text": " And I'm really, really hopeful that through a combination of" }, { "start": 1526.96, "end": 1530.16, "text": " government subsidy and private investment, they're going to" }, { "start": 1530.16, "end": 1533.16, "text": " get to the point in the next three, five, or 10 years where" }, { "start": 1533.16, "end": 1534.92, "text": " that infrastructure will be there." }, { "start": 1534.92, "end": 1537.8400000000001, "text": " And things like Tesla superchargers are going to be a" }, { "start": 1537.8400000000001, "end": 1539.96, "text": " major part of that." }, { "start": 1539.96, "end": 1544.6000000000001, "text": " But today, if someone put a gun to my head, it would have" }, { "start": 1544.6000000000001, "end": 1546.04, "text": " to be an M5, I think." }, { "start": 1546.04, "end": 1548.8000000000002, "text": " But believe me, the Model S is right in the mix." }, { "start": 1548.8000000000002, "end": 1551.8000000000002, "text": " And if I could have both, I certainly would." }, { "start": 1551.8000000000002, "end": 1553.04, "text": " Cool." }, { "start": 1557.88, "end": 1562.3200000000002, "text": " Does the electric, this is coming from George on Twitter." }, { "start": 1562.3200000000002, "end": 1564.8400000000001, "text": " Does the electric motor make the whirling sound, and does" }, { "start": 1564.84, "end": 1567.36, "text": " it feel a bit disoriented to hear that sound" }, { "start": 1567.36, "end": 1569.9199999999998, "text": " instead of an engine?" }, { "start": 1569.9199999999998, "end": 1578.36, "text": " It's a really quiet car in terms of mechanical noise." }, { "start": 1578.36, "end": 1581.28, "text": " I think that at very low speed with the windows down, you get" }, { "start": 1581.28, "end": 1586.12, "text": " some of that Jetsons sound." }, { "start": 1586.12, "end": 1589.04, "text": " But when you're at speed on the highway, especially with the" }, { "start": 1589.04, "end": 1592.48, "text": " windows up, even with the windows down, just like a" }, { "start": 1592.48, "end": 1597, "text": " regular car, unless you're driving a diesel 18-wheeler," }, { "start": 1597, "end": 1600.04, "text": " the prevailing sound that you're hearing is not the" }, { "start": 1600.04, "end": 1602.24, "text": " engine, but the road noise and the wind noise." }, { "start": 1602.24, "end": 1605.84, "text": " And the Model S is the same way." }, { "start": 1605.84, "end": 1609.76, "text": " There was another question relating to that." }, { "start": 1609.76, "end": 1612.76, "text": " This is from InnerSlice on Twitter." }, { "start": 1612.76, "end": 1614.08, "text": " How quiet is the car?" }, { "start": 1614.08, "end": 1616.08, "text": " What's the cabin noise like at highway speeds?" }, { "start": 1618.64, "end": 1621.16, "text": " Yes, it's a quiet car." }, { "start": 1621.16, "end": 1626.6000000000001, "text": " I don't know how much sound insulation they put in it." }, { "start": 1626.6000000000001, "end": 1630.44, "text": " And I don't know if there's any interplay." }, { "start": 1630.44, "end": 1632.4, "text": " To be honest, I don't know if they do active noise" }, { "start": 1632.4, "end": 1636.1200000000001, "text": " cancellation, which is kind of a hot feature in cars these" }, { "start": 1636.1200000000001, "end": 1640.64, "text": " days, you're seeing a lot of cars do this thing where there's" }, { "start": 1640.64, "end": 1644.8400000000001, "text": " a microphone that's detecting the ambient noise, and then" }, { "start": 1644.8400000000001, "end": 1646.6200000000001, "text": " it's emitting sound from the speakers to" }, { "start": 1646.6200000000001, "end": 1648.3600000000001, "text": " cancel that noise out." }, { "start": 1648.3600000000001, "end": 1650.76, "text": " I don't know if the Model S does that, to be honest." }, { "start": 1650.76, "end": 1655.48, "text": " But it's certainly not a loud car." }, { "start": 1655.48, "end": 1662.12, "text": " I used to own a Lotus Elise, which is the car that the" }, { "start": 1662.12, "end": 1664.36, "text": " Tesla Roadster was based on." }, { "start": 1664.36, "end": 1667.48, "text": " And that was a very, I mean, first of all, it was a gas." }, { "start": 1667.48, "end": 1670.4, "text": " And it's not apples to apples, because it had a gas engine in" }, { "start": 1670.4, "end": 1673.28, "text": " it, but the engine in that car was like six" }, { "start": 1673.28, "end": 1674.9, "text": " inches behind your head." }, { "start": 1674.9, "end": 1677.8, "text": " And so if you were driving for more than a few miles, I" }, { "start": 1677.8, "end": 1680.64, "text": " actually wore earplugs when I would drive it from stage to" }, { "start": 1680.64, "end": 1683, "text": " stage, because you'd just go deaf otherwise." }, { "start": 1683, "end": 1685.92, "text": " But that is not a problem in the Model S, needless to say." }, { "start": 1685.92, "end": 1687.16, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 1689.16, "end": 1692.4, "text": " This is coming from Mobile Don on Twitter." }, { "start": 1692.4, "end": 1696, "text": " Out of the 265 quoted mileage, what do you reckon most people" }, { "start": 1696, "end": 1697.24, "text": " actually get?" }, { "start": 1701.2, "end": 1704.92, "text": " So first of all, I should point out that Tesla has a" }, { "start": 1704.92, "end": 1708.2800000000002, "text": " total of three different battery" }, { "start": 1708.2800000000002, "end": 1709.8000000000002, "text": " capacities for the Model S." }, { "start": 1709.8, "end": 1712.52, "text": " We tested the largest battery, which is an 85 kilowatt hour." }, { "start": 1712.52, "end": 1716.12, "text": " But they also have a 40 and I believe a 65." }, { "start": 1716.12, "end": 1719.28, "text": " And that affects the price of the car, obviously," }, { "start": 1719.28, "end": 1719.84, "text": " tremendously." }, { "start": 1719.84, "end": 1723.72, "text": " Because I think that the base 40 kilowatt hour is like 57K." }, { "start": 1723.72, "end": 1727.28, "text": " And the car we tested was, I added it up, and it's somewhere" }, { "start": 1727.28, "end": 1728.32, "text": " around 100K." }, { "start": 1728.32, "end": 1729.58, "text": " So big difference in price." }, { "start": 1729.58, "end": 1734.8799999999999, "text": " But if you get the 85 kilowatt hour," }, { "start": 1734.8799999999999, "end": 1736.96, "text": " then you'll get the 265." }, { "start": 1736.96, "end": 1740.56, "text": " And in the real world, I think you will probably get" }, { "start": 1740.56, "end": 1744.64, "text": " realistically 240 to 250 would be my guess." }, { "start": 1744.64, "end": 1747.46, "text": " But one of the reasons, and I pointed this out in our piece," }, { "start": 1747.46, "end": 1751.76, "text": " one of the reasons that we really took a big range hit," }, { "start": 1751.76, "end": 1755.24, "text": " I think, is because first of all, we were really being" }, { "start": 1755.24, "end": 1757.08, "text": " liberal with the accelerator." }, { "start": 1757.08, "end": 1762.04, "text": " Two, we were driving up and down the mountains nonstop." }, { "start": 1762.04, "end": 1765.48, "text": " And, Gren, you get some regen on the way down, which is" }, { "start": 1765.48, "end": 1768.52, "text": " putting power back into the battery." }, { "start": 1768.52, "end": 1771.88, "text": " But it's not perpetual motion machines." }, { "start": 1771.88, "end": 1773.44, "text": " You're not getting the same amount of energy on the way" }, { "start": 1773.44, "end": 1777.24, "text": " down that you're taking out of the battery on the way up." }, { "start": 1777.24, "end": 1779.16, "text": " So that was a hit." }, { "start": 1779.16, "end": 1783.1200000000001, "text": " And we had a ton of cargo in the car." }, { "start": 1783.1200000000001, "end": 1786.52, "text": " We had like a billion cameras and other things." }, { "start": 1786.52, "end": 1787.76, "text": " And other humans." }, { "start": 1787.76, "end": 1788.1200000000001, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1788.1200000000001, "end": 1793.28, "text": " So we got, I think, somewhere around probably 220 when all" }, { "start": 1793.28, "end": 1794.56, "text": " of a sudden, done." }, { "start": 1794.56, "end": 1797.08, "text": " But I think that the average person is going to" }, { "start": 1797.08, "end": 1798.24, "text": " get more than that." }, { "start": 1798.24, "end": 1800.76, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 1800.76, "end": 1802.76, "text": " This is coming from Curtis Cook on Google+." }, { "start": 1802.76, "end": 1803.46, "text": " Pretty good question." }, { "start": 1803.46, "end": 1805.36, "text": " How does the state inspection process go?" }, { "start": 1805.36, "end": 1807.3999999999999, "text": " Can you just take it to a local mechanic and" }, { "start": 1807.3999999999999, "end": 1809.8, "text": " have them test it?" }, { "start": 1809.8, "end": 1811.6, "text": " That is a very good question." }, { "start": 1811.6, "end": 1813.3999999999999, "text": " And that varies from state to state." }, { "start": 1817.56, "end": 1821.6399999999999, "text": " I honestly don't know at all how that works." }, { "start": 1821.6399999999999, "end": 1824.54, "text": " I know that California is a lot more strict for that sort" }, { "start": 1824.54, "end": 1826.92, "text": " of thing than most states." }, { "start": 1826.92, "end": 1829.3999999999999, "text": " But I'm sorry, I don't know." }, { "start": 1829.3999999999999, "end": 1832.34, "text": " And to be honest, it's possible that not all states" }, { "start": 1832.34, "end": 1833.2, "text": " have figured that out." }, { "start": 1833.2, "end": 1835.12, "text": " And maybe some states don't even care because it's a" }, { "start": 1835.12, "end": 1836.44, "text": " zero emission vehicle." }, { "start": 1836.44, "end": 1842.84, "text": " So in Michigan, where I was raised, the inspections always" }, { "start": 1842.84, "end": 1847.52, "text": " centered around the amount of crap that the" }, { "start": 1847.52, "end": 1848.6, "text": " exhaust was putting out." }, { "start": 1848.6, "end": 1852.96, "text": " And that's not an issue with the Model S. So check with" }, { "start": 1852.96, "end": 1854.92, "text": " your state." }, { "start": 1854.92, "end": 1856.16, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 1858.08, "end": 1862.1200000000001, "text": " So Anthony Keller from Google+." }, { "start": 1862.1200000000001, "end": 1864.3600000000001, "text": " Chris Ziegler, what, if anything, did you miss about" }, { "start": 1864.3600000000001, "end": 1868.1200000000001, "text": " the Tesla after returning it and going back to internal" }, { "start": 1868.1200000000001, "end": 1869.64, "text": " combustion?" }, { "start": 1869.64, "end": 1873.88, "text": " Oh, the linear acceleration." }, { "start": 1873.88, "end": 1877.44, "text": " The ability to be on the highway." }, { "start": 1877.44, "end": 1879.2, "text": " I think that as a driver, there's a certain amount of" }, { "start": 1879.2, "end": 1882.68, "text": " confidence that comes with knowing that you can kind of" }, { "start": 1882.68, "end": 1884.92, "text": " accelerate your way out of any situation." }, { "start": 1884.92, "end": 1888.04, "text": " And that's something that always kind of lingers in the" }, { "start": 1888.04, "end": 1889.96, "text": " back of my mind when I'm driving a car that doesn't" }, { "start": 1889.96, "end": 1892, "text": " really accelerate, like the car that I personally own" }, { "start": 1892, "end": 1895.44, "text": " right now, which I don't like." }, { "start": 1895.44, "end": 1901.8400000000001, "text": " And that isn't a problem with the Model S at all." }, { "start": 1901.8400000000001, "end": 1907.68, "text": " So not having access to that seemingly limitless and linear" }, { "start": 1907.68, "end": 1910.6000000000001, "text": " acceleration, I think, is the thing that I missed the most" }, { "start": 1910.6000000000001, "end": 1911.28, "text": " about the car." }, { "start": 1911.28, "end": 1919.08, "text": " The thing that I missed the least is not having the" }, { "start": 1919.08, "end": 1922.48, "text": " charging situation, in a nutshell." }, { "start": 1922.48, "end": 1925.76, "text": " It's going to be a long time until, if there were" }, { "start": 1925.76, "end": 1930.08, "text": " superchargers every 25 miles around the country, it would" }, { "start": 1930.08, "end": 1931.96, "text": " be a complete non-issue." }, { "start": 1931.96, "end": 1935.04, "text": " Because everywhere you went, you would just plug it in and" }, { "start": 1935.04, "end": 1936.2, "text": " you'd be fine." }, { "start": 1936.2, "end": 1939.08, "text": " But until that happens, there's always going to be at" }, { "start": 1939.08, "end": 1943.52, "text": " least a little bit of doubt as to whether." }, { "start": 1943.52, "end": 1945.52, "text": " You're always going to have to think about it." }, { "start": 1945.52, "end": 1947.8799999999999, "text": " Which is a problem." }, { "start": 1947.8799999999999, "end": 1951.04, "text": " As the owner of a gas car, that's not something that you" }, { "start": 1951.04, "end": 1951.8, "text": " ever think about." }, { "start": 1951.8, "end": 1953.6799999999998, "text": " It might be something that you occasionally think about if" }, { "start": 1953.6799999999998, "end": 1954.84, "text": " you're driving a diesel." }, { "start": 1954.84, "end": 1957.12, "text": " Because not all gas stations have diesel." }, { "start": 1957.12, "end": 1960.1999999999998, "text": " But as a gas car owner, it's just a complete non-issue" }, { "start": 1960.1999999999998, "end": 1963.1599999999999, "text": " because there are gas stations everywhere." }, { "start": 1963.1599999999999, "end": 1968.36, "text": " So until that's solved, that is going to be the thing that I" }, { "start": 1968.36, "end": 1971.4399999999998, "text": " missed the least about driving a EV, for sure." }, { "start": 1971.4399999999998, "end": 1973.6399999999999, "text": " That just made me think of a question." }, { "start": 1973.6399999999999, "end": 1974.8799999999999, "text": " We have to pay for gas." }, { 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2002.9599999999998, "end": 2005.32, "text": " But that was a free charger." }, { "start": 2005.32, "end": 2006.84, "text": " Not all level two chargers are free." }, { "start": 2006.84, "end": 2011.32, "text": " Like here in Chicago, Walgreens, and I think they do" }, { "start": 2011.32, "end": 2016.04, "text": " this elsewhere too, Walgreens, the drugstore company, has" }, { "start": 2016.04, "end": 2018.52, "text": " installed free level two chargers" }, { "start": 2018.52, "end": 2020.6799999999998, "text": " at a lot of their stores." }, { "start": 2020.6799999999998, "end": 2022.9199999999998, "text": " So if you drive an EV, you can just park up and plug in" }, { "start": 2022.9199999999998, "end": 2024.48, "text": " while you go in." }, { "start": 2024.48, "end": 2028.28, "text": " But if you go into a lot of parking garages in the city," }, { "start": 2028.28, "end": 2030.84, "text": " there are level two chargers that are like little kiosks" }, { "start": 2030.84, "end": 2032.4, "text": " with credit card readers." }, { "start": 2032.4, "end": 2035.48, "text": " And you need to pay to charge." }, { "start": 2035.48, "end": 2038.32, "text": " But the superchargers are free, which is one of the" }, { "start": 2038.32, "end": 2039.68, "text": " really awesome things about them." }, { "start": 2039.68, "end": 2043.76, "text": " Of course, if you're driving any EV other than a Tesla," }, { "start": 2043.76, "end": 2046.64, "text": " it doesn't do you any good, whereas level two chargers are" }, { "start": 2046.64, "end": 2048.84, "text": " pretty universal." }, { "start": 2048.84, "end": 2051.44, "text": " But yeah, it just varies from location to location." }, { "start": 2051.44, "end": 2053.68, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 2053.68, "end": 2057.8399999999997, "text": " This is coming from Interslice again on Twitter." }, { "start": 2057.8399999999997, "end": 2059.72, "text": " 0 to 60 in 4.4 seconds." }, { "start": 2059.72, "end": 2061.44, "text": " How about 0 to 100?" }, { "start": 2061.44, "end": 2063.64, "text": " Just how severely is range going to be depleted," }, { "start": 2063.64, "end": 2067.72, "text": " screeching away from stoplights in the city?" }, { "start": 2067.72, "end": 2069.2799999999997, "text": " A lot." }, { "start": 2069.2799999999997, "end": 2072.72, "text": " I was warned on several occasions that being liberal" }, { "start": 2072.72, "end": 2075.3199999999997, "text": " with the accelerator would have a significant impact on" }, { "start": 2075.3199999999997, "end": 2075.72, "text": " our range." }, { "start": 2075.72, "end": 2079.04, "text": " And I think it did, just because we fell so far short of" }, { "start": 2079.04, "end": 2082.7599999999998, "text": " 265 going from LA to Monroe Bay." }, { "start": 2082.76, "end": 2085.76, "text": " 0 to 100 time, I don't know." }, { "start": 2085.76, "end": 2090.1200000000003, "text": " Tesla probably has an official number on their site." }, { "start": 2090.1200000000003, "end": 2090.92, "text": " But I can tell you." }, { "start": 2090.92, "end": 2091.6400000000003, "text": " Let's put it this way." }, { "start": 2091.6400000000003, "end": 2095.28, "text": " Even if we did do a 0 to 100 run on a public road, I" }, { "start": 2095.28, "end": 2097.8, "text": " wouldn't tell you." }, { "start": 2097.8, "end": 2099.0400000000004, "text": " It's just not legal." }, { "start": 2101.2000000000003, "end": 2101.5200000000004, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 2101.5200000000004, "end": 2103.88, "text": " This is coming from AshaGun on Twitter." }, { "start": 2103.88, "end": 2106.0400000000004, "text": " Since the engine is totally different, this is a good" }, { "start": 2106.0400000000004, "end": 2107.6000000000004, "text": " question, is maintenance different?" }, { "start": 2107.6000000000004, "end": 2109.5600000000004, "text": " Do you have to change the coolant, oil" }, { "start": 2109.5600000000004, "end": 2111, "text": " filters, et cetera?" }, { "start": 2111, "end": 2111.92, "text": " That is a great question." }, { "start": 2111.92, "end": 2112.76, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2112.76, "end": 2116.56, "text": " We brought this up with the PR people at Tesla." }, { "start": 2116.56, "end": 2120.16, "text": " And it's close to a zero maintenance car." }, { "start": 2120.16, "end": 2123.76, "text": " One thing that I didn't bring up in the piece is that if you" }, { "start": 2123.76, "end": 2127.52, "text": " open up the hood, it's just another trunk." }, { "start": 2127.52, "end": 2130.88, "text": " There's nothing user serviceable in there." }, { "start": 2130.88, "end": 2132.88, "text": " It's just an empty space where you can put in luggage." }, { "start": 2132.88, "end": 2135.2000000000003, "text": " And we did use it for luggage." }, { "start": 2135.2000000000003, "end": 2137.32, "text": " The only thing you can access in there is the windshield" }, { "start": 2137.32, "end": 2139.52, "text": " washer fluid, just like any other car." }, { "start": 2139.52, "end": 2142.12, "text": " And we were told that there's some fluid or lubricant or" }, { "start": 2142.12, "end": 2145.24, "text": " something that needs to be changed once every 12 years," }, { "start": 2145.24, "end": 2147.12, "text": " I think." }, { "start": 2147.12, "end": 2150.6, "text": " But apart from that, I think they recommend a yearly" }, { "start": 2150.6, "end": 2153.24, "text": " checkup where you just take the car in and they look it" }, { "start": 2153.24, "end": 2154.7599999999998, "text": " over and do whatever to it." }, { "start": 2154.7599999999998, "end": 2159.72, "text": " But in terms of user service, it's basically zero." }, { "start": 2159.72, "end": 2161.84, "text": " It's windshield washer fluid and power." }, { "start": 2161.84, "end": 2164.44, "text": " That's about it." }, { "start": 2164.44, "end": 2166.92, "text": " That's pretty interesting." }, { "start": 2166.92, "end": 2167.44, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 2167.44, "end": 2168.44, "text": " What else?" }, { "start": 2168.44, "end": 2172.92, "text": " Let me check here." }, { "start": 2172.92, "end": 2176.32, "text": " As much as this is coming from Noah Ammar on YouTube, as much" }, { "start": 2176.32, "end": 2179.2000000000003, "text": " as I like the Tesla S, I feel that this car will get an" }, { "start": 2179.2000000000003, "end": 2181.96, "text": " initial press bump and then slowly fade away." }, { "start": 2181.96, "end": 2183.96, "text": " Do you think the Tesla S is the car that will make" }, { "start": 2183.96, "end": 2186.88, "text": " electric cars viable for normal America?" }, { "start": 2190.04, "end": 2191, "text": " Not yet." }, { "start": 2191, "end": 2194.7200000000003, "text": " But I think what's very important about Tesla, even if" }, { "start": 2194.7200000000003, "end": 2198.42, "text": " the Model S is not ultimately the car that pushes the world" }, { "start": 2198.42, "end": 2201.7200000000003, "text": " over the hump on EVs, what's important about the company is" }, { "start": 2201.7200000000003, "end": 2205.32, "text": " the fact that they're being really aggressive about" }, { "start": 2205.32, "end": 2208.16, "text": " pushing the EV agenda and making sure that it's in the" }, { "start": 2208.16, "end": 2211.92, "text": " public eye and talking about it constantly and talking to" }, { "start": 2211.92, "end": 2214.52, "text": " people like us who are bringing you stories about it." }, { "start": 2214.52, "end": 2219.2000000000003, "text": " And so people are aware of the EV initiatives and they're" }, { "start": 2219.2000000000003, "end": 2221.08, "text": " aware of the infrastructure issues." }, { "start": 2221.08, "end": 2225.16, "text": " Because Tesla would be the first to admit, there's a ton" }, { "start": 2225.16, "end": 2228.12, "text": " of money and time and energy that needs to go into building" }, { "start": 2228.12, "end": 2231, "text": " out this infrastructure to make it truly viable." }, { "start": 2231, "end": 2234.7999999999997, "text": " And so I think just having Elon Musk and Tesla being so" }, { "start": 2234.7999999999997, "end": 2238.08, "text": " aggressive about pushing the EV agenda is what matters more" }, { "start": 2238.08, "end": 2240.52, "text": " than the Model S itself." }, { "start": 2240.52, "end": 2244.96, "text": " And I was talking earlier about the old guard car" }, { "start": 2244.96, "end": 2247.24, "text": " companies being a lot more conservative in general." }, { "start": 2247.24, "end": 2249, "text": " And that's certainly true with EVs too." }, { "start": 2249, "end": 2252.8399999999997, "text": " Companies like Ford and GM do have EVs in their lineups, but" }, { "start": 2252.8399999999997, "end": 2255.6, "text": " they don't try to market them as mainstream cars." }, { "start": 2255.6, "end": 2261.2799999999997, "text": " And at least in GM's case, they're pushing extended" }, { "start": 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So in terms of pushing a true EV" }, { "start": 2281.64, "end": 2283.68, "text": " infrastructure and agenda, Tesla is" }, { "start": 2283.68, "end": 2284.6, "text": " really leading the way." }, { "start": 2284.6, "end": 2286.72, "text": " And I think that that message is much more important than the" }, { "start": 2286.72, "end": 2288.56, "text": " car itself." }, { "start": 2288.56, "end": 2290.6, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 2290.6, "end": 2292.44, "text": " All right, we'll take a couple more." }, { "start": 2292.44, "end": 2294.56, "text": " This is again from Raj." }, { "start": 2294.56, "end": 2295.8199999999997, "text": " He's got some great questions." }, { "start": 2299.2, "end": 2300.2799999999997, "text": " Is there a built-in voice command?" }, { "start": 2300.2799999999997, "end": 2302.6, "text": " If so, how well does it work?" }, { "start": 2302.6, "end": 2305.56, "text": " Else, can Siri or Google Voice be used?" }, { "start": 2305.56, "end": 2307.64, "text": " Can you integrate Siri with it, or does it have its own" }, { "start": 2307.64, "end": 2308.92, "text": " proprietary system?" }, { "start": 2308.92, "end": 2313.2, "text": " Yeah, there's a built-in voice recognition system that they" }, { "start": 2313.2, "end": 2316.68, "text": " just, if I'm not mistaken, they just recently added it in a" }, { "start": 2316.68, "end": 2318.04, "text": " firmware update." }, { "start": 2318.04, "end": 2319.8399999999997, "text": " I don't think that it's shipped with the car." }, { "start": 2319.8399999999997, "end": 2321.4399999999996, "text": " It's new." }, { "start": 2321.4399999999996, "end": 2324.3999999999996, "text": " And they admitted to me on the spot." }, { "start": 2324.3999999999996, "end": 2327.6, "text": " They were like, look, we know that voice recognition isn't" }, { "start": 2327.6, "end": 2331.48, "text": " perfect, we're playing with it, we just added this." }, { "start": 2331.48, "end": 2335.9199999999996, "text": " We didn't test it much, but it did fail to recognize it." }, { "start": 2335.9199999999996, "end": 2338.16, "text": " The problem with most of these voice recognition systems in" }, { "start": 2338.16, "end": 2342.96, "text": " cars is that you don't know off the bat what it can" }, { "start": 2342.96, "end": 2345.6, "text": " recognize, and then you need to go through a process to" }, { "start": 2345.6, "end": 2349.16, "text": " have it list out possible commands to you, and then it" }, { "start": 2349.16, "end": 2351.36, "text": " becomes more trouble than it's worth." }, { "start": 2351.36, "end": 2355.48, "text": " I wasn't able to get it to do anything interesting." }, { "start": 2355.48, "end": 2358.28, "text": " I got a lot of unrecognized command." }, { "start": 2358.28, "end": 2360.2, "text": " I pressed the button and it said unrecognized command at" }, { "start": 2360.2, "end": 2361.56, "text": " the bottom of the instrument cluster." }, { "start": 2361.56, "end": 2367.96, "text": " But it's new, and unlike a lot of other systems where they" }, { "start": 2367.96, "end": 2369.64, "text": " probably aren't going to update the way the voice" }, { "start": 2369.64, "end": 2371.8, "text": " recognition works, and even if they did, you'd have to take" }, { "start": 2371.8, "end": 2373.92, "text": " it in the dealer to get the firmware updated." }, { "start": 2373.92, "end": 2375.48, "text": " With this car, it's just an over-the-air update." }, { "start": 2375.48, "end": 2377.44, "text": " So they could theoretically make it better than it is" }, { "start": 2377.44, "end": 2378.4, "text": " right now." }, { "start": 2378.4, "end": 2381.04, "text": " OK, so that's one of Tesla's big things, is they could just" }, { "start": 2381.04, "end": 2382.88, "text": " push updates over the air unlike any other" }, { "start": 2382.88, "end": 2384.0800000000004, "text": " manufacturer can." }, { "start": 2384.0800000000004, "end": 2385.32, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2386.8, "end": 2388.04, "text": " OK, let's see." }, { "start": 2393.04, "end": 2395.76, "text": " What else do we have here?" }, { "start": 2395.76, "end": 2398.52, "text": " Did you feel as intimate and connected, this is coming from" }, { "start": 2398.52, "end": 2400.92, "text": " Lyndon on Twitter, did you feel as intimate and connected" }, { "start": 2400.92, "end": 2402.96, "text": " with the Model S as you would with your favorite manual" }, { "start": 2402.96, "end": 2405.52, "text": " shifting vehicle?" }, { "start": 2405.52, "end": 2406.88, "text": " No." }, { "start": 2406.88, "end": 2408.42, "text": " No, I didn't." }, { "start": 2408.42, "end": 2412.92, "text": " No, I mean, if you compare this to, well, like the Lotus" }, { "start": 2412.92, "end": 2416.96, "text": " Lisa that I was talking about before, you definitely feel" }, { "start": 2416.96, "end": 2419, "text": " like you're part of the machine." }, { "start": 2419, "end": 2424.16, "text": " Whereas with the Model S, and frankly with any car where" }, { "start": 2424.16, "end": 2427.04, "text": " you're not shifting yourself, you feel a little more like" }, { "start": 2427.04, "end": 2428.76, "text": " you're being taken for a ride." }, { "start": 2428.76, "end": 2431.5600000000004, "text": " And I think that we were testing the performance model" }, { "start": 2431.5600000000004, "end": 2436.32, "text": " which has a bunch of things that make it a sportier" }, { "start": 2436.32, "end": 2437.2400000000002, "text": " experience." }, { "start": 2437.2400000000002, "end": 2440.84, "text": " And it definitely felt like a sporty car." }, { "start": 2440.84, "end": 2442.7200000000003, "text": " But did it feel like a sports car?" }, { "start": 2442.7200000000003, "end": 2444.4, "text": " I would say no." }, { "start": 2444.4, "end": 2447.88, "text": " It just felt like a very sporty sedan." }, { "start": 2447.88, "end": 2454.7200000000003, "text": " And yeah, I don't think it's possible for an EV to ever" }, { "start": 2454.7200000000003, "end": 2458.44, "text": " achieve that level of connection with the driver." }, { "start": 2458.44, "end": 2463.76, "text": " And my guess is that unless they're banned, which they" }, { "start": 2463.76, "end": 2466.88, "text": " probably will be in California at some point in the future," }, { "start": 2466.88, "end": 2471.28, "text": " unless they're banned, there will always be at least a niche" }, { "start": 2471.28, "end": 2475.78, "text": " market for gasoline vehicles, even after EVs and extended" }, { "start": 2475.78, "end": 2481.6, "text": " range EVs take over, for that very reason." }, { "start": 2481.6, "end": 2485.2000000000003, "text": " The fact that there's an enthusiast slash hobbyist" }, { "start": 2485.2, "end": 2488.48, "text": " aspect to it that you can't get from an EV." }, { "start": 2488.48, "end": 2491.7599999999998, "text": " But that being said, I think that Tesla did about the best" }, { "start": 2491.7599999999998, "end": 2494.64, "text": " job it possibly could connecting the driver to the" }, { "start": 2494.64, "end": 2497.9199999999996, "text": " car short of having a manual." }, { "start": 2497.9199999999996, "end": 2500.72, "text": " Even though it's probably one of the most technologically" }, { "start": 2500.72, "end": 2504.68, "text": " advanced cars you've ever been in and driven, you don't feel" }, { "start": 2504.68, "end": 2508.12, "text": " intimate with it as you do a regular stick shift car." }, { "start": 2508.12, "end": 2508.8799999999997, "text": " No, yeah." }, { "start": 2508.8799999999997, "end": 2510.48, "text": " I don't think that technology really has" }, { "start": 2510.48, "end": 2511.3999999999996, "text": " anything to do with it." }, { "start": 2511.3999999999996, "end": 2514.12, "text": " You can drive." }, { "start": 2514.12, "end": 2517.4, "text": " Again, going back to the Lotus Elise, it's a very raw car." }, { "start": 2517.4, "end": 2520.8399999999997, "text": " There's no technology in it." }, { "start": 2520.8399999999997, "end": 2526, "text": " It's got a crappy aftermarket radio and a button to turn the" }, { "start": 2526, "end": 2528.3199999999997, "text": " lights on and off and a manual transmission," }, { "start": 2528.3199999999997, "end": 2531.2, "text": " and that's about it." }, { "start": 2531.2, "end": 2536.88, "text": " In fact, I think that in many ways, technology is opposed to" }, { "start": 2536.88, "end": 2539.2, "text": " feeling connected with the car." }, { "start": 2539.2, "end": 2544.16, "text": " Because systems kick in for you, like stability control is" }, { "start": 2544.16, "end": 2546.12, "text": " a great example of that, traction control." }, { "start": 2546.12, "end": 2550.8799999999997, "text": " And there are things happening that you're not actively" }, { "start": 2550.8799999999997, "end": 2552.04, "text": " controlling yourself." }, { "start": 2552.04, "end": 2555.7599999999998, "text": " And that's not an issue with a really old school manual car." }, { "start": 2555.7599999999998, "end": 2558.24, "text": " OK, makes sense." }, { "start": 2558.24, "end": 2560.56, "text": " This question's coming from Michael Voss on Twitter." }, { "start": 2560.56, "end": 2564.8799999999997, "text": " What kind of tires does it come with?" }, { "start": 2564.88, "end": 2570.84, "text": " It comes with tires." }, { "start": 2570.84, "end": 2571.92, "text": " They're low profile." }, { "start": 2571.92, "end": 2576.12, "text": " I think that they're not like run flats or anything." }, { "start": 2576.12, "end": 2580.28, "text": " I don't believe so." }, { "start": 2580.28, "end": 2582.36, "text": " I'm getting it mixed up in my mind, because I just had a" }, { "start": 2582.36, "end": 2584.96, "text": " discussion with the chief engineer of the Cadillac ELR," }, { "start": 2584.96, "end": 2586, "text": " and he was talking about tires." }, { "start": 2586, "end": 2587.88, "text": " And I don't want to get it mixed up." }, { "start": 2587.88, "end": 2590.84, "text": " But I can tell you that they're extremely low profile." }, { "start": 2590.84, "end": 2597.84, "text": " I think that the high end wheel on the Model S, if you" }, { "start": 2597.84, "end": 2600.2000000000003, "text": " option it, is a 20 inch." }, { "start": 2600.2000000000003, "end": 2602.04, "text": " So as you can imagine, it's going to be a" }, { "start": 2602.04, "end": 2603.08, "text": " very low profile tire." }, { "start": 2603.08, "end": 2605.88, "text": " But I don't know the manufacturer." }, { "start": 2605.88, "end": 2607.36, "text": " I don't know the stats on it." }, { "start": 2607.36, "end": 2608.92, "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "start": 2608.92, "end": 2610.28, "text": " But that should be on Tesla's site." }, { "start": 2610.28, "end": 2611.8, "text": " That should be in their specs section." }, { "start": 2611.8, "end": 2614.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2614.04, "end": 2615.56, "text": " This is coming from InterSlice on Twitter." }, { "start": 2615.56, "end": 2618.2400000000002, "text": " Would you want a manual in the Tesla Model S, or is the" }, { "start": 2618.24, "end": 2622.16, "text": " automatic beneficial to the overall system?" }, { "start": 2622.16, "end": 2623.2, "text": " Yeah, I don't think." }, { "start": 2623.2, "end": 2625.24, "text": " I mean, they could." }, { "start": 2625.24, "end": 2631, "text": " I'm sure they could find a way to MacGyver a manual." }, { "start": 2631, "end": 2634, "text": " It's counter to what they're trying to do." }, { "start": 2634, "end": 2637.2799999999997, "text": " And I'm sure that you'd be sacrificing a great deal of" }, { "start": 2637.2799999999997, "end": 2639.9199999999996, "text": " efficiency for that." }, { "start": 2639.9199999999996, "end": 2643.3599999999997, "text": " The bottom line is that if a manual is that important to" }, { "start": 2643.3599999999997, "end": 2647.2, "text": " you, this is probably not the car for you." }, { "start": 2647.2, "end": 2654.52, "text": " And BMW went through this same heartburn where they got" }, { "start": 2654.52, "end": 2660.2, "text": " their electronic manuals so good and so efficient that" }, { "start": 2660.2, "end": 2664.24, "text": " they were faster shifting than a manual and more efficient" }, { "start": 2664.24, "end": 2666.8799999999997, "text": " and better in every way, even for their performance vehicles." }, { "start": 2666.8799999999997, "end": 2669.04, "text": " But you still have these old school people who just say," }, { "start": 2669.04, "end": 2670.2, "text": " just give me a manual." }, { "start": 2670.2, "end": 2674.3599999999997, "text": " So they actually had to go back and engineer a manual for" }, { "start": 2674.3599999999997, "end": 2675.56, "text": " the new M5 and M6." }, { "start": 2675.56, "end": 2678.08, "text": " And you can actually spec them in." }, { "start": 2678.08, "end": 2680.04, "text": " By default, you get the electronic manual." }, { "start": 2680.04, "end": 2682.44, "text": " But if you want to spec in the manual, you can." }, { "start": 2682.44, "end": 2684.2799999999997, "text": " But of course, those are internal combustion cars." }, { "start": 2684.2799999999997, "end": 2688.7599999999998, "text": " So I think it makes a lot less sense in something like the" }, { "start": 2688.7599999999998, "end": 2691.36, "text": " Model S. And I don't think you're ever going to see that." }, { "start": 2691.36, "end": 2693, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 2693, "end": 2695.48, "text": " To preserve long-term battery life, does it need to be" }, { "start": 2695.48, "end": 2698.88, "text": " fully charged, depleted, or can it be topped up randomly?" }, { "start": 2701.48, "end": 2703.36, "text": " How do you treat the battery on this thing?" }, { "start": 2703.36, "end": 2704.12, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2704.12, "end": 2707.4, "text": " Yeah, there are a couple different charging modes on" }, { "start": 2707.4, "end": 2709.64, "text": " the car that you can choose between." }, { "start": 2709.64, "end": 2710.4, "text": " One's called standard." }, { "start": 2710.4, "end": 2711.92, "text": " One's called max range." }, { "start": 2711.92, "end": 2716.8399999999997, "text": " And I think that the standard mode is better for the longevity" }, { "start": 2716.8399999999997, "end": 2719.24, "text": " of the battery than the max range." }, { "start": 2719.24, "end": 2723.08, "text": " But if you absolutely need to top out the battery, you can" }, { "start": 2723.08, "end": 2724.3599999999997, "text": " put it into max range mode and get a little" }, { "start": 2724.3599999999997, "end": 2725.8399999999997, "text": " extra juice out of it." }, { "start": 2725.8399999999997, "end": 2729.24, "text": " But apart from that, I didn't look through the instruction" }, { "start": 2729.24, "end": 2730, "text": " manual for the car." }, { "start": 2730, "end": 2734.48, "text": " But Mark, the engineer that we talked to in Gilroy," }, { "start": 2734.48, "end": 2736.48, "text": " California, where the superchargers are located, he" }, { "start": 2736.48, "end": 2739.32, "text": " had just picked up his Model S from the factory." }, { "start": 2739.32, "end": 2743.56, "text": " And he had said that there were no battery conditioning" }, { "start": 2743.56, "end": 2749.08, "text": " recommendations for the car that he had been told." }, { "start": 2749.08, "end": 2752.12, "text": " And to be fair, lithium ion batteries are pretty low" }, { "start": 2752.12, "end": 2754.2, "text": " maintenance compared to like NiCads and nickel metal" }, { "start": 2754.2, "end": 2754.68, "text": " hydrides." }, { "start": 2754.68, "end": 2758.52, "text": " So that doesn't necessarily surprise me." }, { "start": 2758.52, "end": 2762.48, "text": " It's possible that my guess, my instinct is that if you" }, { "start": 2762.48, "end": 2768.2, "text": " treat the battery the same way you treat a laptop battery," }, { "start": 2768.2, "end": 2770.52, "text": " to get maximum life out of that, you're probably going to" }, { "start": 2770.52, "end": 2774.52, "text": " get some extra life out of the car's battery pack as well." }, { "start": 2774.52, "end": 2777.48, "text": " But we weren't told any guidelines for that." }, { "start": 2777.48, "end": 2778.72, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 2780.36, "end": 2780.9, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 2780.9, "end": 2781.64, "text": " Let's wrap this up." }, { "start": 2781.64, "end": 2783.68, "text": " We've got one more question here." }, { "start": 2783.68, "end": 2786.44, "text": " Has anyone asked about the public perception about Tesla?" }, { "start": 2786.44, "end": 2789.6, "text": " Did anyone recognize the car when you were driving it?" }, { "start": 2789.6, "end": 2791.4, "text": " Oh, yeah." }, { "start": 2791.4, "end": 2793.98, "text": " We got recognized nonstop, which really surprised me." }, { "start": 2793.98, "end": 2798.96, "text": " Because I don't think of most human beings as being car" }, { "start": 2798.96, "end": 2799.7200000000003, "text": " fanatics." }, { "start": 2799.7200000000003, "end": 2804.16, "text": " And they can't tell a Ferrari from a Lamborghini." }, { "start": 2804.16, "end": 2806.36, "text": " Well, you also did drive it through California, right?" }, { "start": 2806.36, "end": 2807.28, "text": " So you'd expect?" }, { "start": 2807.28, "end": 2807.8, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2807.8, "end": 2808.12, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2808.12, "end": 2810.76, "text": " And I'm sure that they're much more familiar with low" }, { "start": 2810.76, "end": 2813, "text": " mission vehicles in general, and Tesla specifically, since" }, { "start": 2813, "end": 2814.7200000000003, "text": " it's a California company." }, { "start": 2814.72, "end": 2819.8399999999997, "text": " But it still shocked me just how many people everywhere" }, { "start": 2819.8399999999997, "end": 2820.68, "text": " knew what we were driving." }, { "start": 2820.68, "end": 2822.72, "text": " Either knew what it was or wanted to" }, { "start": 2822.72, "end": 2823.56, "text": " know what it was." }, { "start": 2823.56, "end": 2824.3599999999997, "text": " Interesting." }, { "start": 2824.3599999999997, "end": 2827.12, "text": " I pulled into a gas station, ironically, of course." }, { "start": 2827.12, "end": 2828.56, "text": " Yeah, why?" }, { "start": 2828.56, "end": 2832.9199999999996, "text": " And this guy at another pump came over and he was like," }, { "start": 2832.9199999999996, "end": 2834, "text": " holy crap, what is this?" }, { "start": 2834, "end": 2835.48, "text": " This is a beautiful car." }, { "start": 2835.48, "end": 2839.4399999999996, "text": " And people, I mentioned in the piece, a guy in a pickup" }, { "start": 2839.4399999999996, "end": 2842.6, "text": " truck pulled up next to me on the expressway and started" }, { "start": 2842.6, "end": 2845.08, "text": " honking his horn and giving the thumbs up." }, { "start": 2845.08, "end": 2846.6, "text": " It was awesome." }, { "start": 2846.6, "end": 2854.68, "text": " We were in a pullout in Big Sur doing a photo shoot." }, { "start": 2854.68, "end": 2856.4, "text": " And a family came up with their kids." }, { "start": 2856.4, "end": 2859.96, "text": " And they were like, hey, can I put my son in the car?" }, { "start": 2859.96, "end": 2861.04, "text": " Can you play around with it?" }, { "start": 2861.04, "end": 2864.68, "text": " So everyone was just really, really excited about it, which" }, { "start": 2864.68, "end": 2865.36, "text": " surprised me." }, { "start": 2865.36, "end": 2869.12, "text": " Because it is a very attractive car." }, { "start": 2869.12, "end": 2873.88, "text": " But it isn't like a bright green Tesla Roadster." }, { "start": 2873.88, "end": 2877.3199999999997, "text": " It doesn't have that level of grabbiness." }, { "start": 2877.3199999999997, "end": 2880.08, "text": " It doesn't grab your eyeballs like that does." }, { "start": 2880.08, "end": 2881.3199999999997, "text": " So yeah, I was a little surprised." }, { "start": 2886.6, "end": 2887.4, "text": " Let's put it this way." }, { "start": 2887.4, "end": 2888.48, "text": " It's a first world problem." }, { "start": 2888.48, "end": 2891.2, "text": " If you're a Tesla driver and you're getting a lot of people" }, { "start": 2891.2, "end": 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"text": " Oh, yes, EV." }, { "start": 414, "end": 419, "text": " Now turn right onto Chester Avenue." }, { "start": 419, "end": 423, "text": " I think this has been the most exhilarating experience of my life." }, { "start": 423, "end": 429, "text": " We're actually connected to the one and only EV charger in this entire lot." }, { "start": 429, "end": 434, "text": " We are using an adapter because Tesla actually doesn't use a standard charging port," }, { "start": 434, "end": 437, "text": " the same one that's used by the LEAF and the Bolt and a lot of other EVs." }, { "start": 437, "end": 442, "text": " So the car comes with an adapter that you connect so that you can charge it off a standard port." }, { "start": 442, "end": 446, "text": " For every hour that we leave this thing on charge, it's going to put 18 miles in the batteries." }, { "start": 446, "end": 456, "text": " We need to get to 250, which means this thing definitely needs to stay on charge all night." }, { "start": 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[ { "start": 0, "end": 3.24, "text": " It's Friday, February 8th, 2013." }, { "start": 3.24, "end": 7.4, "text": " I'm William Savona, newly appointed creative director of the Purple Parrots." }, { "start": 7.4, "end": 9.4, "text": " This is 90 seconds on the Verge." }, { "start": 9.4, "end": 14.6, "text": " The Federal Aviation Administration has approved test flights for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner." }, { "start": 14.6, "end": 22.2, "text": " The airliner made its first U.S. flight last year, but was grounded in January after a series of battery fires called its safety into question." }, { "start": 22.2, "end": 26.5, "text": " The hope is that tests will let Boeing figure out the issue and develop a fix." }, { "start": 26.5, "end": 30.2, "text": " As for commercial flights, yeah, you'll probably be waiting a while." }, { "start": 30.2, "end": 35.4, "text": " The U.S. Department of Justice has announced that it settled with Macmillan in an e-book price fixing case." }, { "start": 35.4, "end": 42.6, "text": " Five of the big six publishers were accused of conspiring with Apple to raise e-book prices in response to competition from Amazon." }, { "start": 42.6, "end": 45.7, "text": " The Macmillan news means that all of them have now settled." }, { "start": 45.7, "end": 49, "text": " Unsurprisingly, there's still one holdout, Apple." }, { "start": 49, "end": 52.2, "text": " Barring any settlement, the trial will likely begin in June." }, { "start": 52.2, "end": 57.6, "text": " Finally, a record-breaking storm is expected to ruin everyone's plans in the Northeast this weekend." }, { "start": 57.6, "end": 61.400000000000006, "text": " It's being called Nemo, but that wasn't necessarily supposed to be the case." }, { "start": 61.400000000000006, "end": 68.7, "text": " The name Nemo actually came from the Weather Channel, which along with its marketing department decided to start renaming winter storms last November." }, { "start": 68.7, "end": 71.80000000000001, "text": " The reason? To make it easier to talk about them on Twitter." }, { "start": 71.80000000000001, "end": 76.80000000000001, "text": " The Weather Channel says it asked the agency to start naming storms, but it took too long to respond." }, { "start": 76.80000000000001, "end": 80.60000000000001, "text": " Whatever you choose to call it, the storm is still coming, so please be safe." }, { "start": 80.6, "end": 82.39999999999999, "text": " That's it for today's top stories." }, { "start": 82.39999999999999, "end": 85.5, "text": " Tune in tomorrow for the legend of the haunted glockenspiel." }, { "start": 85.5, "end": 111.5, "text": " Terra has a sound, and it's..." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 2.84, "text": " It's Thursday, February 7th, 2013." }, { "start": 2.84, "end": 7.8, "text": " I'm Chow Li, the world's foremost expert on the study of orange iguanas." }, { "start": 7.8, "end": 9.4, "text": " This is 90 seconds on the verge." }, { "start": 9.4, "end": 13.56, "text": " The much anticipated Mailbox app for iPhone is now in the App Store." }, { "start": 13.56, "end": 18.36, "text": " Mailbox is a new Gmail client that heavily emphasizes swiping over tapping." }, { "start": 18.36, "end": 23.12, "text": " The biggest feature is its news function, which lets you hide a thread, then be reminded" }, { "start": 23.12, "end": 27.04, "text": " of it either later that day or at some point in the near future." }, { "start": 27.04, "end": 31.439999999999998, "text": " One thing to note though, there's a pretty sizable waiting list, so even if you download" }, { "start": 31.439999999999998, "end": 34.879999999999995, "text": " the app, there's a good chance that you won't be using it for a while." }, { "start": 34.879999999999995, "end": 38.64, "text": " We're less than two weeks away from Sony's big PlayStation reveal." }, { "start": 38.64, "end": 44.76, "text": " According to Asahi Shimbun, the PlayStation 4 will launch this year for over 40,000 yen." }, { "start": 44.76, "end": 48.519999999999996, "text": " That suggests the price stateside would be over $400." }, { "start": 48.519999999999996, "end": 53.68, "text": " And Nikkei Business Daily adds that PlayStation 4 will use cloud technology from Gaikai." }, { "start": 53.68, "end": 56.8, "text": " Finally, NBC's Community is back." }, { "start": 56.8, "end": 61.959999999999994, "text": " After promising to premiere on October 19th, the powers that be have decided that today," }, { "start": 61.959999999999994, "end": 65.52, "text": " February 7th, is now also October 19th." }, { "start": 65.52, "end": 70.6, "text": " Community has had its own sitcom drama behind the scenes, losing showrunner Dan Harmon and" }, { "start": 70.6, "end": 73.67999999999999, "text": " key writers like Chris McKenna and Megan Gantz." }, { "start": 73.67999999999999, "end": 78.36, "text": " The New York Times got an early peek of the first two episodes and panned it as being" }, { "start": 78.36, "end": 80.36, "text": " quote, dumbed down." }, { "start": 80.36, "end": 82, "text": " That's it for today's top stories." }, { "start": 82, "end": 86.2, "text": " Tune in tomorrow for the legend of the Arctic chupacabra." }, { "start": 86.2, "end": 88.12, "text": " And fear at 40 below." } ]

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tap on it." }, { "start": 29.72, "end": 33.4, "text": " If you want to see the complete email, which includes all this garbage that Mailbox strips" }, { "start": 33.4, "end": 35.72, "text": " out, you can tap it one more time." }, { "start": 35.72, "end": 39.62, "text": " What you can do from here is you can star an email right here." }, { "start": 39.62, "end": 43.16, "text": " You can add this email to one of your labels." }, { "start": 43.16, "end": 48.2, "text": " You can set this for later, go back to your inbox, archive it, or delete it." }, { "start": 48.2, "end": 50.96, "text": " So let's respond to this email really quick." }, { "start": 50.96, "end": 52.28, "text": " And you can kind of see the interface." }, { "start": 52.28, "end": 54.599999999999994, "text": " It's really small, minimalist, and nice." }, { "start": 54.599999999999994, "end": 55.78, "text": " It's kind of like a text message." }, { "start": 55.78, "end": 59.36, "text": " You can change who you want to send 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"start": 92.32, "end": 96.32, "text": " So let's go to the bread and butter of this app, which is mark something for later." }, { "start": 96.32, "end": 100.48, "text": " So you can mark this as later today, this evening, tomorrow, this weekend, next week," }, { "start": 100.48, "end": 103.36, "text": " in a month, someday, and you can even pick a date." }, { "start": 103.36, "end": 107.98, "text": " And the cool thing is with these snoozes, Mailbox handle these on their servers." }, { "start": 107.98, "end": 112.68, "text": " So if you're using a desktop mail client or a desktop Gmail, those messages will pop back" }, { "start": 112.68, "end": 115.08, "text": " into that account at the same time." }, { "start": 115.08, "end": 118.48, "text": " If you look at the top of the screen, you have the things you've marked to do later." }, { "start": 118.48, "end": 123.64, "text": " So let's say we mark this for this weekend and you hop up there." }, { "start": 123.64, "end": 128.6, "text": " You can actually see chronologically when these things are going to pop back in your" }, { "start": 128.6, "end": 129.6, "text": " inbox." }, { "start": 129.6, "end": 133.52, "text": " Let's have this one be for a month and this one for someday." }, { "start": 133.52, "end": 137.66, "text": " You hop back in there and boom, it's chronologically organized, which is really nice." }, { "start": 137.66, "end": 141.04, "text": " And if you go to archived up here, you can bounce something right back in your inbox" }, { "start": 141.04, "end": 142.44, "text": " if you want to just by doing that." }, { "start": 142.44, "end": 145.4, "text": " So let's open the drawer and see what's going on over there." }, { "start": 145.4, "end": 151.02, "text": " This is your mailbox area where you can choose your separate inboxes for different accounts" }, { "start": 151.02, "end": 153.56, "text": " if you want to look at them independently." }, { "start": 153.56, "end": 159.52, "text": " You can also see once again your later menu, your labels, archive and trash and sent, which" }, { "start": 159.52, "end": 163.98, "text": " are consolidated among all your accounts, which some people won't like, but I personally" }, { "start": 163.98, "end": 164.98, "text": " don't mind." }, { "start": 164.98, "end": 168.98, "text": " And then you also have the settings menu where you can hop in, add email accounts." }, { "start": 168.98, "end": 171.24, "text": " You can add up to five Gmail accounts right now." }, { "start": 171.24, "end": 172.84, "text": " You can pick a default account." }, { "start": 172.84, "end": 174.32000000000002, "text": " You can add a signature." }, { "start": 174.32000000000002, "end": 178.24, "text": " You can alter your labels, which are called lists here." }, { "start": 178.24, "end": 180.78, "text": " And snoozes is the real cool thing here." }, { "start": 180.78, "end": 184.36, "text": " So if you tap snoozes here, you can actually modify when emails are popped back into your" }, { "start": 184.36, "end": 185.36, "text": " inbox." }, { "start": 185.36, "end": 187.68, "text": " So let's say you mark something to pop back this weekend." }, { "start": 187.68, "end": 189.56, "text": " You can say, well, when do I want my weekend to start?" }, { "start": 189.56, "end": 191.44, "text": " Or when do I want my workday to start?" }, { "start": 191.44, "end": 194.76000000000002, "text": " You could even have later today or someday, which you can modify." }, { "start": 194.76000000000002, "end": 200.12, "text": " If you go even further down, you'll be happy to note that there are push notifications," }, { "start": 200.12, "end": 205.52, "text": " unlike Sparrow, for both new messages and for snooze messages if you want to treat Mailbox" }, { "start": 205.52, "end": 206.88, "text": " like a to-do list." }, { "start": 206.88, "end": 211.6, "text": " It also helps if you want to use the to-do list kind of paradigm for using this app." }, { "start": 211.6, "end": 215.76, "text": " You can also have a badge represent how many new things you have in your inbox." }, { "start": 215.76, "end": 219.02, "text": " There's a lot to love about Mailbox, but Gmail power users will miss a few things, like the" }, { "start": 219.02, "end": 224.04000000000002, "text": " ability to mark a few emails at the same time, the ability to mute something, which is a" }, { "start": 224.04000000000002, "end": 225.44, "text": " great Gmail feature." }, { "start": 225.44, "end": 231, "text": " And we also miss the ability to look at one main starred menu of items." }, { "start": 231, "end": 236.96, "text": " And also, there's no mark as spam or consolidated spam area inside Mailbox, but we'd expect" }, { "start": 236.96, "end": 238.2, "text": " that to come sometime soon." }, { "start": 238.2, "end": 240, "text": " Well, you can download Mailbox today." }, { "start": 240, "end": 241.18, "text": " The company has a wait list." }, { "start": 241.18, "end": 244.12, "text": " You can see inside the app that shows what place you hold in line." }, { "start": 244.12, "end": 247.32, "text": " It's annoying, but guarantees the launch goes smoothly for company servers." }, { "start": 247.32, "end": 250.88, "text": " After testing Mailbox for the last two months, I can honestly say it's helped increase my" }, { "start": 250.88, "end": 254.44, "text": " productivity, even without a Mac, iPad, and Android app, which the company says are in" }, { "start": 254.44, "end": 255.44, "text": " the works." }, { "start": 255.44, "end": 285.4, "text": " Mailbox for iPhone really turns email into a more conversational and more useful experience." } ]

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[ { "start": 0, "end": 5.6000000000000005, "text": " It's Tuesday, February 5th, 2013. I'm Ross Miller, sole survivor of the Blue Baracudas." }, { "start": 5.6000000000000005, "end": 9.8, "text": " I've been afraid of razors ever since. This is 90 seconds on the verge." }, { "start": 9.8, "end": 14.56, "text": " Dell has gone private. After weeks of speculation, the computer company has taken itself off" }, { "start": 14.56, "end": 20.26, "text": " the publicly traded stock market and into private hands. It's a $24.4 billion deal that" }, { "start": 20.26, "end": 25.88, "text": " was supervised by investment firm Silver Lake and also includes a $2 billion loan from Microsoft." }, { "start": 25.88, "end": 29.12, "text": " That may seem like an odd move, especially given Microsoft's recent interest in making" }, { "start": 29.12, "end": 33.4, "text": " its own hardware, but don't forget, the last thing Microsoft wants to lose is a Windows" }, { "start": 33.4, "end": 34.92, "text": " 8 contributor in the workplace." }, { "start": 34.92, "end": 38.7, "text": " Unless you thought it would be just a trilogy, Disney has confirmed multiple Star Wars spin-offs" }, { "start": 38.7, "end": 43.120000000000005, "text": " are in the works. CEO Bob Iger told CNBC today that a few standalone movies are currently" }, { "start": 43.120000000000005, "end": 47.2, "text": " being planned from Simon Kinberg and longtime Star Wars contributor Larry Kasdan, who are" }, { "start": 47.2, "end": 51.32, "text": " also remembered to be working on episodes 8 and 9. Iger reiterated plans to release" }, { "start": 51.32, "end": 57.16, "text": " the new New trilogy over the course of six years, starting in 2015 with Jar Jar Abrams" }, { "start": 57.16, "end": 58.16, "text": " episode 7." }, { "start": 58.16, "end": 62.48, "text": " Finally, for no particular reason whatsoever, here is the greatest achievement in modern" }, { "start": 62.48, "end": 63.48, "text": " filmmaking." }, { "start": 63.48, "end": 68.47999999999999, "text": " Uh, guys? They got a tank." }, { "start": 68.47999999999999, "end": 69.47999999999999, "text": " Damn." }, { "start": 69.47999999999999, "end": 79.47999999999999, "text": " Fast and Furious 6 is coming May 24th." }, { "start": 79.47999999999999, "end": 83.19999999999999, "text": " And that's it for today's top stories. Tune in tomorrow for Legends of the Hidden Moonbase," }, { "start": 83.2, "end": 88.2, "text": " the road trip buddy comedy across the surface of Indoor on the backs of a 74Z speeder bike." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 4.9, "text": " This is David with The Verge and this is the Microsoft Surface Pro." }, { "start": 4.9, "end": 8.36, "text": " This is basically the real deal, kind of no-compromises Surface." }, { "start": 8.36, "end": 12.82, "text": " Instead of running Windows RT, a low-powered operating system, the Surface Pro is a full-fledged" }, { "start": 12.82, "end": 17.42, "text": " Windows 8 machine with all of the bells and whistles you'd expect from a high-end laptop." }, { "start": 17.42, "end": 20.740000000000002, "text": " It's also $900 for the cheapest model, so it's competing with some of the best devices" }, { "start": 20.740000000000002, "end": 23.38, "text": " out there, but in theory, can do so." }, { "start": 23.38, "end": 26.3, "text": " There are a bunch of changes from the Surface RT which we reviewed back in October, but" }, { "start": 26.3, "end": 29.12, "text": " most of those are under the hood and I'll get to those in a minute." }, { "start": 29.12, "end": 31.92, "text": " First there are some really key hardware differences here too." }, { "start": 31.92, "end": 34.02, "text": " The general Surface look and feel hasn't really changed." }, { "start": 34.02, "end": 36.18, "text": " This is still a well-made, good-looking tablet." }, { "start": 36.18, "end": 40.64, "text": " It's made of Microsoft's Vapor MG material which feels a little bit like aluminum and" }, { "start": 40.64, "end": 46.120000000000005, "text": " it's really clean and simple and it comes in black and is really just a sleek device." }, { "start": 46.120000000000005, "end": 47.8, "text": " But this is bigger than the Surface RT." }, { "start": 47.8, "end": 49.32, "text": " It's a lot bigger." }, { "start": 49.32, "end": 53.2, "text": " It's 13.5mm thick, whereas the Surface RT is less than 10." }, { "start": 53.2, "end": 56.36, "text": " And that makes a big difference, as does the extra half-pound of weight on the Surface" }, { "start": 56.36, "end": 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"text": " It's not something you'll use all the time, but it's great for drawing or taking notes" }, { "start": 113.62, "end": 115.4, "text": " or scribbling on a screenshot." }, { "start": 115.4, "end": 119, "text": " The pen attaches to the side of the Surface, so you theoretically won't lose it, but it" }, { "start": 119, "end": 121.88000000000001, "text": " falls off every single time you put the device in your bag." }, { "start": 121.88000000000001, "end": 125.10000000000001, "text": " So a few things have changed, but the basic idea of the Surface hasn't, and that's really" }, { "start": 125.10000000000001, "end": 127.04, "text": " my biggest problem with this device." }, { "start": 127.04, "end": 130.4, "text": " The kickstand only opens at one angle, which means you have to sit just right to use it" }, { "start": 130.4, "end": 134.42000000000002, "text": " properly, and it's absolutely impossible to use propped up on your lap." }, { "start": 134.42000000000002, "end": 137, 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" feet up on the coffee table, working on my MacBook Air, and that's just completely impossible" }, { "start": 267.32, "end": 268.32, "text": " on the Surface Pro." }, { "start": 268.32, "end": 272.1, "text": " I like the Surface Pro, and I'm impressed that Microsoft built such a powerful machine" }, { "start": 272.1, "end": 273.94, "text": " and such a handsome, simple body." }, { "start": 273.94, "end": 277.02000000000004, "text": " But if you're in the market for a tablet, this isn't that at all." }, { "start": 277.02000000000004, "end": 281.12, "text": " And if you're in the market for a laptop, your $900 is probably better spent elsewhere," }, { "start": 281.12, "end": 285.14, "text": " at least until Microsoft figures out how to make the Surface usable away from your desk." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 7, "text": " Greetings and salutations, internet friends." }, { "start": 7, "end": 12, "text": " This is the Verge Mobile Show, where we talk about things that are mobile." }, { "start": 12, "end": 15, "text": " And apparently, the Fast and the Furious, because we can't help ourselves." }, { "start": 15, "end": 17, "text": " I am Dieter Baum." }, { "start": 17, "end": 19, "text": " I am Vlad Savo." }, { "start": 19, "end": 21, "text": " I'm Dan Seifert." }, { "start": 21, "end": 23, "text": " And I am Chris Stigler." }, { "start": 23, "end": 26, "text": " And I'd like to say that I'm in full support of the Fast and the Furious." }, { "start": 26, "end": 33, "text": " Guys, just don't get me started because I'm going to spend 20 minutes talking about Fast and the Furious and nobody wants that." }, { "start": 33, "end": 37, "text": " Or do we? Do we want that?" }, { "start": 37, "end": 45, "text": " So, it's episode 35. We are a few minutes late, but it's still a Tuesday, which is pretty impressive." }, { "start": 45, "end": 49, "text": " Someone on Twitter said this makes three weeks in a row, what we broadcast on Tuesday." }, { "start": 49, "end": 57, "text": " I feel like this is the third or fourth week that this has been episode 35. Is someone playing a trick on me at this point?" }, { "start": 57, "end": 59, "text": " It might be, like, yeah." }, { "start": 59, "end": 65, "text": " I think this is the episode 35 because we actually have all four of us connected at the same time." }, { "start": 65, "end": 69, "text": " The important thing is that it's the week of February 4th, 2013." }, { "start": 69, "end": 75, "text": " Maybe that should be part of our shtick, where every episode from now on is episode 35." }, { "start": 75, "end": 79, "text": " We should just decide that right now." }, { "start": 79, "end": 81, "text": " We just don't want to turn 36." }, { "start": 81, "end": 83, "text": " I'm in favor." }, { "start": 83, "end": 87, "text": " Is 36 late 30s? No, that doesn't start until like 38." }, { "start": 87, "end": 91, "text": " You can still technically count 37 as mid-30s, can't you?" }, { "start": 91, "end": 93, "text": " 37 is still 29 in my book." }, { "start": 93, "end": 95, "text": " You can definitely count as 36." }, { "start": 95, "end": 99, "text": " I mean, I'm mid-30s now and I don't feel good about it at all." }, { "start": 99, "end": 101, "text": " You'll always be 29 in my heart." }, { "start": 101, "end": 103, "text": " It's old." }, { "start": 103, "end": 107, "text": " I am old and gray." }, { "start": 107, "end": 111, "text": " And answering business letters from sixth graders, which is awesome." }, { "start": 111, "end": 115, "text": " I got a letter from a sixth grader who's doing a class project learning how to write business letters." }, { "start": 115, "end": 119, "text": " Are you going to go speak at a school?" }, { "start": 119, "end": 123, "text": " No, I mean I could." }, { "start": 123, "end": 125, "text": " A career day?" }, { "start": 125, "end": 127, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 127, "end": 131, "text": " We should talk about smartphones though instead of snail mail and what's in my inbox." }, { "start": 131, "end": 141, "text": " And obviously, clearly, without question, the biggest news of the week is RIM." }, { "start": 141, "end": 143, "text": " No, sorry." }, { "start": 143, "end": 145, "text": " Not RIM." }, { "start": 145, "end": 147, "text": " Blackberry." }, { "start": 147, "end": 149, "text": " Blackberry." }, { "start": 149, "end": 155, "text": " I know we've been saying for years that Blackberry has needed to do this and it's a good thing for the company" }, { "start": 155, "end": 159, "text": " and it's a good way to unify its brand because consumers don't know who the heck RIM is." }, { "start": 159, "end": 165, "text": " But when they did it in the middle of the event and I'm live blogging, I could not have hated them more." }, { "start": 165, "end": 173, "text": " Switching from something that is three letters and about the easiest thing to type because I've been typing it for like 10 years" }, { "start": 173, "end": 179, "text": " to something that is camel cased and 10 letters while I'm live blogging." }, { "start": 179, "end": 183, "text": " So yeah, Dan, you were at the event." }, { "start": 183, "end": 187, "text": " Can you tell us what this Blackberry 10, like, we called it the Blackberry 10 launch." }, { "start": 187, "end": 191, "text": " It was definitely a device launch but they've announced Blackberry 10 so many times." }, { "start": 191, "end": 195, "text": " I mean, well, they've shown Blackberry 10 so many times, right, in developer conferences and things like this." }, { "start": 195, "end": 199, "text": " This was their big launch of the platform and they launched devices to go along with it." }, { "start": 199, "end": 207, "text": " So they finally, officially showed off the Z10 which is the all touch model and the Q10 which has the proper physical keyboard" }, { "start": 207, "end": 210, "text": " that everyone thinks of when they think of a Blackberry." }, { "start": 210, "end": 212, "text": " Correction." }, { "start": 212, "end": 214, "text": " This is the Z10." }, { "start": 214, "end": 221, "text": " It is absolutely, categorically the Z10 because this phone is actually available over here in the UK now." }, { "start": 221, "end": 223, "text": " It's in stores." }, { "start": 223, "end": 229, "text": " Whereas you American folks are still going to have to deal with your certifications and verifications and carrier checks." }, { "start": 229, "end": 233, "text": " And Torsten Heinz referred to it as the Z10 on stage." }, { "start": 233, "end": 234, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 234, "end": 237, "text": " Because they're all them Canadians up them there." }, { "start": 237, "end": 241, "text": " So yeah, I'm totally comfortable calling it the Z10." }, { "start": 241, "end": 245, "text": " Right, so the Z10 is the first one that's coming to market." }, { "start": 245, "end": 247, "text": " As Vlad mentioned, it's available in the UK right now." }, { "start": 247, "end": 255, "text": " It launched in Canada today actually and it is coming to the US at some inordinate time in March." }, { "start": 255, "end": 260, "text": " Yeah, we had a rumor that T-Mobile was going to have it on the 27th of March with a bunch of other phones." }, { "start": 260, "end": 264, "text": " So it'll be whatever the carriers launch it in March, they'll launch it." }, { "start": 264, "end": 269, "text": " Yeah, and I think the only carrier in the US that hasn't committed to the Z10 is Sprint" }, { "start": 269, "end": 274, "text": " which has officially committed to the Q10 and we still don't know if it's going to pick up the Z10." }, { "start": 274, "end": 277, "text": " Dan, stop saying Z10." }, { "start": 277, "end": 280, "text": " I'm getting into it now." }, { "start": 280, "end": 282, "text": " The Blackberry Z10." }, { "start": 282, "end": 286, "text": " So I've had a Z10." }, { "start": 286, "end": 289, "text": " Oh hang on, back up. What was the event like? You were there in person." }, { "start": 289, "end": 291, "text": " And Vlad, you were at the event in London, right?" }, { "start": 291, "end": 293, "text": " Yes, I was at the Seth to Mike event." }, { "start": 293, "end": 295, "text": " What was the vibe like?" }, { "start": 295, "end": 300, "text": " So this was the first event that I've been to since Blackberry World 2011 I think" }, { "start": 300, "end": 307, "text": " and that was when they launched Blackberry 7 and the 9900 and whatever else they announced there." }, { "start": 307, "end": 311, "text": " And that was a really huge event and if you remember that Balmer came out on stage" }, { "start": 311, "end": 314, "text": " and that was like the biggest part of the event." }, { "start": 314, "end": 318, "text": " So this was kind of similar. It was a very big venue, a very big event." }, { "start": 318, "end": 320, "text": " There was lots of people there, lots of press." }, { "start": 320, "end": 326, "text": " Blackberry is very active in getting a lot of press from all over the world to come to its events" }, { "start": 326, "end": 328, "text": " and this was no different." }, { "start": 328, "end": 331, "text": " There was a lot of press there, a lot of analysts there, a lot of industry people there." }, { "start": 331, "end": 336, "text": " And then they did this thing where they connected all of these other events around the world." }, { "start": 336, "end": 342, "text": " So there was like 7 or 8 other events in Paris, Johannesburg, London where Vlad was." }, { "start": 342, "end": 346, "text": " There was one I believe in Toronto as well and others that are escaping me right now" }, { "start": 346, "end": 350, "text": " and they kind of piped them all together with a video connection." }, { "start": 350, "end": 357, "text": " Can I just say that the conceit of having a reporter start your live event" }, { "start": 357, "end": 362, "text": " by being on the floor with a microphone and talking to people needs to go away." }, { "start": 362, "end": 366, "text": " That was the stupidest thing ever because it was literally quite boring to me." }, { "start": 366, "end": 372, "text": " At the time of RIM, RIM did it and didn't Nokia do that with some event last year" }, { "start": 372, "end": 377, "text": " where they had a pretend reporter, pretend talking to pretend people about pretend things" }, { "start": 377, "end": 382, "text": " before the event started to try and drum up a feeling of excitement and this is an event?" }, { "start": 382, "end": 390, "text": " The structure of the event in general was very suspect to me because given the audience" }, { "start": 390, "end": 396, "text": " for this event, you should not be spending, I mean they spent a good 10 or 15 minutes" }, { "start": 396, "end": 403, "text": " playing up the fanboy angle and going to all these different events and talking to people" }, { "start": 403, "end": 408, "text": " who are allegedly excited about the phones and you're not fooling anybody." }, { "start": 408, "end": 416, "text": " You're actually actively insulting our intelligence by wasting 15 minutes of our lives doing this." }, { "start": 416, "end": 424, "text": " Hold up Chris. I'm sorry I interrupted you but I would say they wasted quite a few more minutes" }, { "start": 424, "end": 430, "text": " than just the first 15 because I can tell you another thing." }, { "start": 430, "end": 436, "text": " It was somewhere around half an hour into the presentation, 40 minutes into the presentation" }, { "start": 436, "end": 442, "text": " and I was monitoring chat for our team and there was just nothing. It was dead." }, { "start": 442, "end": 447, "text": " The thing we know during live events is we always have some messages," }, { "start": 447, "end": 452, "text": " there's always somebody reacting to something happening on stage, studio announcements, etc." }, { "start": 452, "end": 455, "text": " and I was just like, are we still here? Are we still alive?" }, { "start": 455, "end": 461, "text": " Am I still connected to the web? And the guys were just like, we're all just stunned into silence." }, { "start": 461, "end": 467, "text": " But besides that, I do want to rewind back to that intro with the fanboy angle." }, { "start": 467, "end": 473, "text": " I am just kind of freaked out and horrified by the way they treated Craigbrough Kevin" }, { "start": 473, "end": 480, "text": " because that dude apparently decided, I mean this is what it needs to be," }, { "start": 480, "end": 483, "text": " he decided until BlackBerry10 comes out, I won't have a haircut." }, { "start": 483, "end": 487, "text": " This has been an ongoing thing." }, { "start": 487, "end": 494, "text": " Right, so he's built up this nice set of flow and locks, he had a ponytail going on" }, { "start": 494, "end": 499, "text": " and BlackBerry just decided to be like, hey do you want to be a good sport" }, { "start": 499, "end": 503, "text": " and let us cut off your ponytail and completely ruin your hairstyle?" }, { "start": 503, "end": 505, "text": " And what was he ever going to say?" }, { "start": 505, "end": 512, "text": " I think his name, well his name, is Craigbrough Kevin, that's his thing, he's BlackBerry's biggest fan" }, { "start": 512, "end": 514, "text": " and they put him in that situation." }, { "start": 514, "end": 517, "text": " I think he was actually there." }, { "start": 517, "end": 525, "text": " We've all known Kevin for a while and I'm pretty sure he couldn't have been more related to being in that position." }, { "start": 525, "end": 530, "text": " No, I'm sure featuring him was flattering to his ego and all that stuff." }, { "start": 530, "end": 536, "text": " I just kind of find it really weird from BlackBerry's perspective to drag out your biggest fan" }, { "start": 536, "end": 541, "text": " and be like, we're just going to cut your hair, yay." }, { "start": 541, "end": 547, "text": " What sort of celebration, what sort of auspicious occasion does this lead into?" }, { "start": 547, "end": 551, "text": " Well he was growing it out until BlackBerry10 launched." }, { "start": 551, "end": 554, "text": " They're the biggest BlackBerry fans." }, { "start": 554, "end": 560, "text": " It was a rally, it was like sports fans who are growing their hair out until they get to the playoffs" }, { "start": 560, "end": 562, "text": " or until they win the championship or whatever." }, { "start": 562, "end": 570, "text": " But again, this entire shtick is insulting to the intelligence and it's a waste of time for the analysts and media who are there." }, { "start": 570, "end": 577, "text": " Show us what you've brought us there to announce, let us collect our review units and let us go on our way." }, { "start": 577, "end": 589, "text": " I was expecting big surprises, well not big surprises, I was expecting a surprise at least out of this event based on everything." }, { "start": 589, "end": 596, "text": " I heard that I was hoping that there would be something surprising and it seems like the biggest surprise besides renaming the company" }, { "start": 596, "end": 603, "text": " from RIM to BlackBerry is that they managed to secure a bigger list of big name apps than I expected." }, { "start": 603, "end": 607, "text": " They got WhatsApp, they got a bunch of others." }, { "start": 607, "end": 609, "text": " They got commitments from them." }, { "start": 609, "end": 611, "text": " That's something I want to talk about." }, { "start": 611, "end": 618, "text": " They announced these on stage and they really made it feel like all of these apps are going to be there at launch and stuff." }, { "start": 618, "end": 623, "text": " They talked about Skype and they talked about WhatsApp and they talked about a bunch of other ones." }, { "start": 623, "end": 632, "text": " But if you go into a UK store right now and you buy the Z10 or Z10 and you try to download any of those apps, they're not available yet." }, { "start": 632, "end": 636, "text": " As far as I'm concerned, the phone is launched and they're not available." }, { "start": 636, "end": 644, "text": " When I talked to them about WhatsApp, I spoke to WhatsApp and RIM at the same time and they basically said," }, { "start": 644, "end": 653, "text": " well it's going to be out really soon and it should be out in time for the US launch and since it's a rolling launch, we're going to say it's a launch app." }, { "start": 653, "end": 667, "text": " Yeah, I did find the whole app shtick really misleading because they came out and they were really pushing the numbers, 70,000 apps." }, { "start": 667, "end": 670, "text": " We're coming out really strong right out of the gate." }, { "start": 670, "end": 680, "text": " And then you actually look at the breakdown of that and then a substantial proportion of this is just Android applications wrapped up to play" }, { "start": 680, "end": 684, "text": " and to work on the BlackBerry 10 platform." }, { "start": 684, "end": 691, "text": " Another good chunk of it is ported Android applications, then there's HTML5 applications," }, { "start": 691, "end": 698, "text": " and then less than half, from what I understand, of all these apps are actually native BlackBerry 10 applications," }, { "start": 698, "end": 705, "text": " which are the ones that have the most functionality, the most access to low-level resources, and the biggest chance to shine." }, { "start": 705, "end": 714, "text": " And the really annoying thing is when you take your Z10, you start browsing around and you look for big name apps." }, { "start": 714, "end": 721, "text": " One of the first ones that caught my eye was YouTube and I'm like, yeah, great, these guys actually have a YouTube app right out of the box." }, { "start": 721, "end": 726, "text": " I tap into it, m.youtube.com. It's a web link." }, { "start": 726, "end": 730, "text": " That's what Windows Phone did, right?" }, { "start": 730, "end": 732, "text": " It's exactly the same thing." }, { "start": 732, "end": 739, "text": " It's exactly the same thing and I hate it because that is BlackBerry's choice." }, { "start": 739, "end": 746, "text": " Well, no it's not. It's their choice to have a crappy stub app in there, I suppose." }, { "start": 746, "end": 749, "text": " Yeah, it's actually with the shortcut." }, { "start": 749, "end": 764, "text": " Let me just add to this. It's something that Dan's reaction after his first day or so was like, they spent two years developing this, etc." }, { "start": 764, "end": 767, "text": " and a bunch of sensitive stuff." }, { "start": 767, "end": 770, "text": " So he's put on with that." }, { "start": 770, "end": 778, "text": " If you had this much time, there is a lot about the BlackBerry 10 software that is just unacceptable." }, { "start": 778, "end": 781, "text": " And two things that really, really stand out for me." }, { "start": 781, "end": 789, "text": " There are neat things which we may end up eventually even discussing about the software, but the two things that really annoy me are" }, { "start": 789, "end": 793, "text": " things like the settings menu is still like a white background with black text on it." }, { "start": 793, "end": 803, "text": " There's just almost no effort being put into making this look particularly different from BlackBerry menus from years and decades past." }, { "start": 803, "end": 809, "text": " And secondly, email syncing is still not immediate." }, { "start": 809, "end": 817, "text": " It's using IMAP, right? Maybe there's IMAP idle for push is how they're pushing, if they're pushing. I don't have one yet." }, { "start": 817, "end": 822, "text": " No other platform has been so lame with email sync as BlackBerry." }, { "start": 822, "end": 831, "text": " I don't know what the technical backend if they're using IMAP idle or not, but it receives emails push." }, { "start": 831, "end": 834, "text": " So for my Gmail accounts, it automatically pushes to the phone." }, { "start": 834, "end": 845, "text": " But the problem is I'll mark it red on the device and then it will be like hours later and I'll go back to my desktop and there's still all these emails sitting in my inbox on the desktop marked unread or unfiled or whatever." }, { "start": 845, "end": 847, "text": " It crosses the whole thing again." }, { "start": 847, "end": 855, "text": " It depends on how they implement the IMAP and let's be honest, IMAP and Gmail is not played all that nicely in general." }, { "start": 855, "end": 867, "text": " So if we want to knock it for how it handles email, that's fine, but it's also like the same boat that everybody else is in." }, { "start": 867, "end": 871, "text": " I disagree." }, { "start": 871, "end": 872, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 872, "end": 880, "text": " I don't know. All I can think of is that when you think of BlackBerry, if you're not thinking of a keyboard, you're thinking of an awesome messaging and awesome email support experience." }, { "start": 880, "end": 884, "text": " And it does not fulfill that at all on Gmail." }, { "start": 884, "end": 889, "text": " By default, the conversation view is turned off, which blows my mind." }, { "start": 889, "end": 894, "text": " And so you have all these emails coming in and they're not threaded together and that's a nightmare." }, { "start": 894, "end": 907, "text": " Then if you are a Gmail user of any sort that likes to archive things or organize them with labels, that's a very difficult thing to do, which is obviously no different than if you're using Windows phone." }, { "start": 907, "end": 908, "text": " Dude, backup." }, { "start": 908, "end": 911, "text": " Imagine Gmail wasn't available on the iPhone." }, { "start": 911, "end": 913, "text": " You'd be in the exact same situation, right?" }, { "start": 913, "end": 922, "text": " But the point is it is available and the iOS's email client is way better than BlackBerry Tenants." }, { "start": 922, "end": 925, "text": " Like the stock mail.app email client is way better." }, { "start": 925, "end": 927, "text": " Really? Okay." }, { "start": 927, "end": 932, "text": " I have a hard time believing that the iOS's mail app is better than anything at all ever." }, { "start": 932, "end": 934, "text": " I really truly do." }, { "start": 934, "end": 937, "text": " Yeah, the iOS app is not a good comparison." }, { "start": 937, "end": 946, "text": " But Windows phone guys, seriously, I've actually been nitpicky enough to run comparisons with how quickly it syncs." }, { "start": 946, "end": 949, "text": " It sometimes even syncs faster." }, { "start": 949, "end": 952, "text": " Talking about Gmail account here than my Android device." }, { "start": 952, "end": 955, "text": " Are you talking about IMAP or Exchange?" }, { "start": 955, "end": 957, "text": " Windows phone." }, { "start": 957, "end": 958, "text": " Exchange." }, { "start": 958, "end": 959, "text": " Yeah, see, there you go." }, { "start": 959, "end": 960, "text": " You can." }, { "start": 960, "end": 961, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 961, "end": 962, "text": " Okay, fair enough." }, { "start": 962, "end": 963, "text": " Fair enough." }, { "start": 963, "end": 969, "text": " But still, I mean, as far as just the end user perspective is concerned, right?" }, { "start": 969, "end": 971, "text": " You pick up a BlackBerry 7 device." }, { "start": 971, "end": 978, "text": " I had the misfortune of reviewing that Porsche design atrocity." }, { "start": 978, "end": 980, "text": " So that means you picked up a BlackBerry 7 device." }, { "start": 980, "end": 983, "text": " By the way, the dude on House of Cards on Netflix has got one of those." }, { "start": 983, "end": 985, "text": " The bald dude." }, { "start": 985, "end": 987, "text": " Is he in prison?" }, { "start": 987, "end": 992, "text": " Is that why he's being punished in this fashion?" }, { "start": 992, "end": 993, "text": " He's a player, man." }, { "start": 993, "end": 994, "text": " He's a baller." }, { "start": 994, "end": 995, "text": " That's what they use." }, { "start": 995, "end": 996, "text": " That's the P9900." }, { "start": 996, "end": 1000, "text": " So let's talk about the other features of BlackBerry 10." }, { "start": 1000, "end": 1007, "text": " BlackBerry has been touting the hub, which is like its universal inbox for organizing your notifications from everything," }, { "start": 1007, "end": 1014, "text": " from messages to email to social networking, things like that, which is a great idea in theory." }, { "start": 1014, "end": 1021, "text": " In concept or in execution, I guess, it kind of falls apart on BlackBerry 10 for a number of reasons." }, { "start": 1021, "end": 1027, "text": " One is that I don't really always want all of my notifications all together," }, { "start": 1027, "end": 1030, "text": " and it kind of just lumps me into there, and then I can, yes," }, { "start": 1030, "end": 1033, "text": " break down into my various services to view them individually," }, { "start": 1033, "end": 1037, "text": " but by default it just kind of throws me in there." }, { "start": 1037, "end": 1041, "text": " The other problem that I have with it is when you get a notification on the device," }, { "start": 1041, "end": 1047, "text": " unlike with iOS or Android where you can swipe down from the top and see what the notification is," }, { "start": 1047, "end": 1050, "text": " more or less you can see who the message is from, maybe even see part of the message." }, { "start": 1050, "end": 1053, "text": " And then ignore it if you want." }, { "start": 1053, "end": 1060, "text": " BlackBerry 10 just gives you an icon, so it will say you have new text messages or new emails or new Twitter replies or whatever," }, { "start": 1060, "end": 1066, "text": " and then I have to go into the actual messaging hub and I have to look at each one to see what they say" }, { "start": 1066, "end": 1072, "text": " instead of being able to glance at it and then go back to what I was doing, which defeats the whole purpose to me." }, { "start": 1072, "end": 1078, "text": " And then there's also other nitpicks. You can't actually go from message to message in it." }, { "start": 1078, "end": 1083, "text": " You have to look at a message, go back to the list, open a new message, go back into that, back and forth." }, { "start": 1083, "end": 1087, "text": " A lot of back and forth bouncing, which is very unintuitive and slow." }, { "start": 1087, "end": 1092, "text": " And it took me a long time to find it, and actually I got a little help from somebody on Twitter" }, { "start": 1092, "end": 1098, "text": " to find how to mark all of my Twitter notifications as read because I would get however many in a day" }, { "start": 1098, "end": 1101, "text": " and they would all be sitting there and I was marking them individually." }, { "start": 1101, "end": 1103, "text": " So there is a way to do that, but it's very hidden." }, { "start": 1103, "end": 1107, "text": " You have to long press on a thing and bring up a hidden contextual message." }, { "start": 1107, "end": 1109, "text": " It's just insane." }, { "start": 1109, "end": 1111, "text": " It's not just in the general pull down menu?" }, { "start": 1111, "end": 1114, "text": " No, the way you do it is you long press on the date." }, { "start": 1114, "end": 1118, "text": " So if you're looking at your list of messages, you long press on the date, which is tiny," }, { "start": 1118, "end": 1123, "text": " then it brings up a contextual menu that lets you select mark all as read." }, { "start": 1123, "end": 1125, "text": " That's terrible." }, { "start": 1125, "end": 1132, "text": " The thing with the hub is that BlackBerry has just really branded the notification area." }, { "start": 1132, "end": 1141, "text": " They haven't added or advanced the idea of a notification aggregator anymore." }, { "start": 1141, "end": 1145, "text": " I mean they're a step ahead of Windows Phone because they actually have one." }, { "start": 1145, "end": 1153, "text": " But as far as the notification systems in Android and iOS are way superior as far as I'm concerned." }, { "start": 1153, "end": 1165, "text": " The other thing is the lock screen is also quite confusing and intuitive with BlackBerry because you get notifications for new tweets," }, { "start": 1165, "end": 1171, "text": " new messages on there and it just looks so inviting for you to swipe into them." }, { "start": 1171, "end": 1176, "text": " You look at it, it's on the left side of the screen and you're like, oh, tweet notifications." }, { "start": 1176, "end": 1180, "text": " And then you try and swipe and then you try and long press, you try and do something with it, you can't." }, { "start": 1180, "end": 1183, "text": " It just sits there on the lock screen." }, { "start": 1183, "end": 1188, "text": " But in the camera icon, if you long press it, there's a little animation and that brings you to the camera." }, { "start": 1188, "end": 1192, "text": " And if you're dragging from the top, you can access your alarm clock." }, { "start": 1192, "end": 1195, "text": " If you're dragging from the bottom, you unlock the phone." }, { "start": 1195, "end": 1200, "text": " It's just like swipes from the edges sometimes do you things, sometimes they don't do you things." }, { "start": 1200, "end": 1208, "text": " And then sometimes you have things that look tappable or clickable or long pressable and they're not and it's just weird." }, { "start": 1208, "end": 1214, "text": " Yeah, it's a very, the whole OS, there's a lot of instances where it's just not very obvious what you're supposed to do." }, { "start": 1214, "end": 1219, "text": " Are you supposed to swipe back? Are you supposed to look for a back button? Are you supposed to swipe up?" }, { "start": 1219, "end": 1225, "text": " And you have to learn all of that for every single app that you do or every single action that you want to do," }, { "start": 1225, "end": 1229, "text": " which is a learning curve with anything, but there's no consistency." }, { "start": 1229, "end": 1235, "text": " How much of this do you guys think is just not having learned it, not being used to the platform?" }, { "start": 1235, "end": 1238, "text": " Honestly, how much of it is that you're used to iOS and Android and you're not a Blackberry person?" }, { "start": 1238, "end": 1240, "text": " I'll give you an example." }, { "start": 1240, "end": 1246, "text": " This is like your main home screen and you swipe over and that brings up your inbox and your notifications." }, { "start": 1246, "end": 1252, "text": " And so like I want to swipe back to go back and I can't, I have to swipe up to go back." }, { "start": 1252, "end": 1254, "text": " And it's like..." }, { "start": 1254, "end": 1256, "text": " You just swipe back to go back from your..." }, { "start": 1256, "end": 1258, "text": " Let me do it again." }, { "start": 1258, "end": 1260, "text": " See, I'm confused." }, { "start": 1260, "end": 1261, "text": " You swipe back." }, { "start": 1261, "end": 1263, "text": " Oh, there it is, you swiped." }, { "start": 1263, "end": 1265, "text": " Oh, there it is." }, { "start": 1265, "end": 1267, "text": " So, just wondering what the problem is." }, { "start": 1267, "end": 1269, "text": " It made a liar out of me." }, { "start": 1269, "end": 1273, "text": " But I swear, it's inconsistent in areas." }, { "start": 1273, "end": 1276, "text": " I just can't prove it." }, { "start": 1276, "end": 1280, "text": " But there are instances where a back button will show up on the screen." }, { "start": 1280, "end": 1286, "text": " But if you swipe in the bottom in the example that Dan was giving, that will still take you back to the home screen." }, { "start": 1286, "end": 1288, "text": " Yeah, right." }, { "start": 1288, "end": 1291, "text": " Yeah, because you need to treat the hub as an app." }, { "start": 1291, "end": 1297, "text": " And if you haven't, there's a full review that Josh wrote getting into a lot of these issues." }, { "start": 1297, "end": 1299, "text": " And you definitely should check it out." }, { "start": 1299, "end": 1301, "text": " What was the final score we gave it?" }, { "start": 1301, "end": 1303, "text": " We gave it a 7." }, { "start": 1303, "end": 1305, "text": " 7, yeah." }, { "start": 1305, "end": 1307, "text": " So, this seems right." }, { "start": 1307, "end": 1311, "text": " And the big debate on the Vergecast, which we don't need to recapitulate in full, is, is this better than Windows Phone?" }, { "start": 1311, "end": 1313, "text": " Because that's really the big question, right?" }, { "start": 1313, "end": 1316, "text": " And I haven't used it, so I'm not going to say." }, { "start": 1316, "end": 1319, "text": " I suspect the answer is Windows Phone is better." }, { "start": 1319, "end": 1325, "text": " I mean, this had a faster, stronger launch out of the gate than Windows Phone did back with Windows Phone 7." }, { "start": 1325, "end": 1327, "text": " Right, definitely." }, { "start": 1327, "end": 1330, "text": " BlackBerry definitely has more support from carriers." }, { "start": 1330, "end": 1335, "text": " It's getting global launching much faster than Microsoft did with Windows Phone." }, { "start": 1335, "end": 1345, "text": " Personally, I'd rather carry a Windows Phone device at this point, just because even though Windows Phone does not have as strong an app ecosystem as iOS and Android," }, { "start": 1345, "end": 1348, "text": " it's still a lot better than what BlackBerry 10 is offering." }, { "start": 1348, "end": 1354, "text": " But I think what the real question is, for an average consumer, for the person going into the store that sees, you know," }, { "start": 1354, "end": 1358, "text": " three or four different phones priced at $200 on a contract, does it compare with them?" }, { "start": 1358, "end": 1365, "text": " And no, I can't recommend it over an iOS or Android device along the same price point." }, { "start": 1365, "end": 1367, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1367, "end": 1375, "text": " Although, the real question here is, is Alicia Keys better than Jessica Alba in the brand ambassador state?" }, { "start": 1375, "end": 1377, "text": " Well, she's actually an employee, right?" }, { "start": 1377, "end": 1381, "text": " She's on RIM's payroll, right? Or BlackRim's payroll. See?" }, { "start": 1381, "end": 1383, "text": " Ten years!" }, { "start": 1383, "end": 1390, "text": " Yeah, that's whatever. I don't even know what to say." }, { "start": 1390, "end": 1396, "text": " Like, I saw Will.i.am at Macworld. He's also got a similar fake job at Intel." }, { "start": 1396, "end": 1400, "text": " And I just have zero patience. I don't care." }, { "start": 1400, "end": 1405, "text": " I love the fact that every one of these companies is completely inventing the job, the role." }, { "start": 1405, "end": 1413, "text": " The whole position is invented just to satisfy the whole, we're being influenced by a cool or formerly cool" }, { "start": 1413, "end": 1417, "text": " or some weird people think they're cool celebrity." }, { "start": 1417, "end": 1425, "text": " And cool is the key word. Russell wrote a really smart piece on this whole phenomenon of the creative director" }, { "start": 1425, "end": 1430, "text": " and Lady Gaga and Will.i.am, like you mentioned, Dieter and Alicia Keys." }, { "start": 1430, "end": 1441, "text": " And there's this idea among these companies that they need to force some false sense of cool on their image" }, { "start": 1441, "end": 1448, "text": " in order to sell devices. And that's not what RIM needs to be trying to do to sell phones." }, { "start": 1448, "end": 1456, "text": " The fact that they showed Alicia Keys on stage at their launch event is going to have zero impact on their bottom line." }, { "start": 1456, "end": 1465, "text": " You know what else RIM, RIM, you know what else Blackberry needs to not do to sell their phones?" }, { "start": 1465, "end": 1475, "text": " They need to not put up a boring, middling Super Bowl commercial that, like, they basically took their phone," }, { "start": 1475, "end": 1482, "text": " their Z10, and they set it on a T-ball stand, like you set a softball on when you play T-ball." }, { "start": 1482, "end": 1489, "text": " And they invited everybody on the planet to just take a huge swing at it whenever they feel like it," }, { "start": 1489, "end": 1495, "text": " whenever they want to complain about the platform, because the tagline for this commercial was," }, { "start": 1495, "end": 1499, "text": " it'd be faster to show you what things it can't do." }, { "start": 1499, "end": 1507, "text": " There are so many things that the Blackberry Z10 can't do, and there's going to always be things that this Blackberry can't do." }, { "start": 1507, "end": 1513, "text": " Samsung's was way better. If they're going to keep pushing this angle on this commercial, man," }, { "start": 1513, "end": 1517, "text": " so many headlines are just waiting for me to write. Just waiting." }, { "start": 1517, "end": 1525, "text": " I think for the benefit, I have seen other commercials that they plan on airing that show more of the device's functions" }, { "start": 1525, "end": 1530, "text": " and gestures and its features and stuff. So hopefully they'll run with those in the future" }, { "start": 1530, "end": 1535, "text": " instead of this kind of conceptual thing that happened during the Super Bowl." }, { "start": 1535, "end": 1541, "text": " Samsung's was actually way more clever, and I think that it was very important that they move away from the Apple bashing," }, { "start": 1541, "end": 1543, "text": " which they finally did, thank God." }, { "start": 1543, "end": 1548, "text": " Right, but as far as the product commercial, it was pretty terrible because you didn't really see the product at all." }, { "start": 1548, "end": 1556, "text": " Yeah, but I felt like it was funny enough so that it would cause you to look up Samsung Galaxy," }, { "start": 1556, "end": 1560, "text": " if for whatever reason you didn't know what Samsung Galaxy was." }, { "start": 1560, "end": 1569, "text": " That commercial wasn't about selling phones anymore. It's about establishing Samsung as a brand, basic brand building." }, { "start": 1569, "end": 1576, "text": " In that context, I think it worked really well. It was just sort of, oh, I have warm, fuzzy feelings about Samsung now. Hooray." }, { "start": 1576, "end": 1579, "text": " That's all they needed to pull off there." }, { "start": 1579, "end": 1583, "text": " The real superstar of that commercial, by the way, was Bob Odenkirk." }, { "start": 1583, "end": 1591, "text": " Don't get me wrong, Paul Rudd, Seth Rogen are great, but Bob Odenkirk is top notch in my book." }, { "start": 1591, "end": 1595, "text": " Hang on, did you just know that actor's name off the top of your head?" }, { "start": 1595, "end": 1597, "text": " You didn't know that, Peter?" }, { "start": 1597, "end": 1599, "text": " Mr. Show, dude." }, { "start": 1599, "end": 1605, "text": " This is what people who don't watch Fast and the Furious are like." }, { "start": 1605, "end": 1607, "text": " Remember, I'm in my 30s." }, { "start": 1607, "end": 1609, "text": " Here we go." }, { "start": 1609, "end": 1614, "text": " So guys, seriously, we don't have that long of a podcast so far." }, { "start": 1614, "end": 1623, "text": " Before we talk about BlackBerry, let's just make a very quick mention, because BlackBerry is trying to talk up the sales for the Z10." }, { "start": 1623, "end": 1630, "text": " Wow, let's also mention that the Q10 has no release date, no availability information or pricing or anything." }, { "start": 1630, "end": 1636, "text": " Yeah, actually, the Q10 I felt really like, oh yeah, it's great, Q10 is coming, everything is going to be fine." }, { "start": 1636, "end": 1639, "text": " But after this launch event, I'm feeling nervous." }, { "start": 1639, "end": 1643, "text": " I mean, it's going to come and whatever, but I'm nervous about it in the way that I wasn't before the launch event." }, { "start": 1643, "end": 1645, "text": " Anyway, sorry." }, { "start": 1645, "end": 1652, "text": " I think that they're going to have, they're going to go through the exact same cycle of agony that Nokia is currently going through." }, { "start": 1652, "end": 1662, "text": " I don't think that this device, devices, plural, Z10 and Q10 are going to do enough to pull them out of their nosedive." }, { "start": 1662, "end": 1666, "text": " And I think that they're going to do several more rapid cycles." }, { "start": 1666, "end": 1675, "text": " Vlad, you and I talked about this on the show last week, the fact that Nokia's failures have forced them into this faster cycle than they're comfortable with." }, { "start": 1675, "end": 1680, "text": " And I think we're going to see that with RIM too, and it's going to be pretty painful to watch." }, { "start": 1680, "end": 1685, "text": " I'm not sure how we talked about it when I wasn't on last week's podcast." }, { "start": 1685, "end": 1689, "text": " Oh, maybe, who did I talk about with? Was it you, Dan? I don't know. I talked about it with somebody." }, { "start": 1689, "end": 1691, "text": " I feel like we have a conversation." }, { "start": 1691, "end": 1693, "text": " Did I have this in my head?" }, { "start": 1693, "end": 1698, "text": " No, this conversation happened. I either listened or participated. I don't remember which." }, { "start": 1698, "end": 1699, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1699, "end": 1701, "text": " Welcome to the Verge Mobile Show, everybody." }, { "start": 1701, "end": 1702, "text": " Anyway, anyway." }, { "start": 1702, "end": 1703, "text": " Episode 35." }, { "start": 1703, "end": 1705, "text": " It was episode 35, so." }, { "start": 1705, "end": 1714, "text": " I just want to give Dan the opportunity to interrupt as well, because I was doing this quick wrap up and then he just kind of spired out of control." }, { "start": 1714, "end": 1718, "text": " Okay, very quickly. RIM, okay, there you go." }, { "start": 1718, "end": 1721, "text": " Actually, wait, Instagram. Instagram's coming." }, { "start": 1721, "end": 1722, "text": " Yes, we do know that." }, { "start": 1722, "end": 1726, "text": " Big deal. I don't give a damn." }, { "start": 1726, "end": 1734, "text": " I downloaded Instagram to my iPhone and I can't use it now without logging into Facebook." }, { "start": 1734, "end": 1738, "text": " It's really wacky and weird, and I'm not logging into Facebook." }, { "start": 1738, "end": 1747, "text": " Anyway, so BlackBerry is still giving up the idea that the Z10 is selling out and selling really well." }, { "start": 1747, "end": 1757, "text": " But we've had zero numbers in terms of sales, so this is why you haven't seen us covering it as news because it's a load of complete PR." }, { "start": 1757, "end": 1767, "text": " Because what I can say is I can take my Z10 review unit and if I'm successful in selling it, I can say I'm completely sold out, guys, and it's completely blown away all of my podcasts." }, { "start": 1767, "end": 1769, "text": " They've exceeded your expectations." }, { "start": 1769, "end": 1771, "text": " Totally. Yeah." }, { "start": 1771, "end": 1779, "text": " So if we don't know how many they had in stock, guys like the Carphone Warehouse or Phones4U, they're resellers." }, { "start": 1779, "end": 1783, "text": " They might have a limited stock. They might have low expectations." }, { "start": 1783, "end": 1786, "text": " We know nothing about sales so far." }, { "start": 1786, "end": 1791, "text": " So that's the situation with BlackBerry. What's next on our list of topics?" }, { "start": 1791, "end": 1799, "text": " So moving on, we've been talking about HTC for the last seven iterations of episode 35." }, { "start": 1799, "end": 1807, "text": " But there's more to talk about because HTC's big event has yet to happen, so there's going to be more leaks and things like that." }, { "start": 1807, "end": 1816, "text": " And so HTC itself put out this teaser yesterday where it teased a new sound and camera experience at the end of a long timeline of camera technology." }, { "start": 1816, "end": 1821, "text": " Which if you look very closely at the original version of the timeline, you might see some errors." }, { "start": 1821, "end": 1827, "text": " Anyway, them going after Nokia's PureView implementation." }, { "start": 1827, "end": 1830, "text": " Yeah, that was like, really?" }, { "start": 1830, "end": 1837, "text": " To be fair, Nokia has been the one mobile company that just keeps talking trash." }, { "start": 1837, "end": 1845, "text": " Particularly on Twitter and just being snarky and being a smart ass to its fellow competitors." }, { "start": 1845, "end": 1848, "text": " Well, they're big fans of their own products." }, { "start": 1848, "end": 1850, "text": " Yeah, they are." }, { "start": 1850, "end": 1853, "text": " Yeah, the 610." }, { "start": 1853, "end": 1854, "text": " 620, wasn't it?" }, { "start": 1854, "end": 1859, "text": " Or 620, excuse me, or whatever it was. It passed with flying colors." }, { "start": 1859, "end": 1864, "text": " The long awaited Nokia Conversations review of the Nokia 620." }, { "start": 1864, "end": 1867, "text": " That went up this week, ladies and gentlemen." }, { "start": 1867, "end": 1874, "text": " Nokia Conversations is not an outside blog or site, it is Nokia's own site." }, { "start": 1874, "end": 1879, "text": " But to be fair, they actually did respond pretty quickly and changed it from a review to a hands-on." }, { "start": 1879, "end": 1881, "text": " Oh, did they really?" }, { "start": 1881, "end": 1883, "text": " Yeah, they updated it." }, { "start": 1883, "end": 1890, "text": " So, HTC at the end of this long timeline teases a new sound and camera experience for 2013." }, { "start": 1890, "end": 1894, "text": " The exact same thing is set for 2012 and also in 2011 when it bought Beats." }, { "start": 1894, "end": 1901, "text": " So, you can read into that all you want, but it doesn't seem to be like HTC is really changing its narrative there." }, { "start": 1901, "end": 1905, "text": " The rumor is that they're going to stack a bunch of sensors, right?" }, { "start": 1905, "end": 1907, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1907, "end": 1913, "text": " Yeah, it's a very strange rumor that they're going to stop calling things megapixels and call them ultrapixels." }, { "start": 1913, "end": 1918, "text": " But we'll have to see what they do." }, { "start": 1918, "end": 1924, "text": " Well, I mean, if they're making fun of Nokia, they might be able to do something interesting here." }, { "start": 1924, "end": 1930, "text": " I mean, I anticipate finding out on the 19th, I guess." }, { "start": 1930, "end": 1944, "text": " I don't know which day it happened, but Peter Chow did run around yelling M7, M7, M7 and thrusting the phone into the air." }, { "start": 1944, "end": 1954, "text": " So, I'm pretty sure February 19th is kind of a lot by this point for us to see this new Android flagship." }, { "start": 1954, "end": 1956, "text": " Yeah, well, I mean, we've seen it, right?" }, { "start": 1956, "end": 1959, "text": " We've got a picture of Peter Chow holding it up, taking it out of the phone." }, { "start": 1959, "end": 1967, "text": " Right, but when I see it, I mean, learn about it as well and learn about these ultrapixels and all this other madness." }, { "start": 1967, "end": 1974, "text": " Just a quick note, I was taking a look just before the podcast and I'm taking a look at it now." }, { "start": 1974, "end": 1982, "text": " This is why I'm doing these motions with my head on Twitter." }, { "start": 1982, "end": 1994, "text": " Anyhow, the Z10 is actually, in terms of physical dimensions, is actually not that much smaller than the HT1X, which is disappointing to me." }, { "start": 1994, "end": 2000, "text": " Yeah, considering it's a 4.2 inch display as opposed to a 4.7." }, { "start": 2000, "end": 2012, "text": " I actually penned this 500 or 600 word rant about sizes and saying that Android needs some 4 to 4.3 inch devices," }, { "start": 2012, "end": 2019, "text": " which was trying to also give voice to the same concern and issue that we've given voice to in previous podcasts" }, { "start": 2019, "end": 2022, "text": " and the thing that Chris has been ranting about previously." }, { "start": 2022, "end": 2033, "text": " But what I would say with that is when we demand these 4 to 4.3 inch devices, we want them to actually be physically smaller," }, { "start": 2033, "end": 2039, "text": " to be legitimately smaller as opposed to we'll put a 4.2 inch screen on there and we'll keep it the same size as the 1X." }, { "start": 2039, "end": 2042, "text": " That isn't really the point." }, { "start": 2042, "end": 2047, "text": " But anyhow, that was it. Back to HT's next big focus." }, { "start": 2047, "end": 2049, "text": " I think we're done talking about HTC." }, { "start": 2049, "end": 2053, "text": " We're not done talking about HTC until next episode 35." }, { "start": 2053, "end": 2055, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 2055, "end": 2060, "text": " So Microsoft confirmed that CardDav and CalDav support are definitely coming to Windows Phone" }, { "start": 2060, "end": 2067, "text": " and they got a little support from Google in that it is extending its support of Exchange Active Sync" }, { "start": 2067, "end": 2073, "text": " so that Windows Phone users are not left in the lurch come the end of January, which is nice to see." }, { "start": 2073, "end": 2076, "text": " So if you are a Windows Phone user, go ahead, Chris." }, { "start": 2076, "end": 2079, "text": " So two things I want to point out here." }, { "start": 2079, "end": 2084, "text": " One, it is patently obvious that this was the plan all along," }, { "start": 2084, "end": 2092, "text": " that Google was going to watch Microsoft stew in its own juices for a few weeks before looking the hero" }, { "start": 2092, "end": 2096, "text": " and announcing that it was going to extend it for a few months." }, { "start": 2096, "end": 2101, "text": " Two, I guarantee you that they are getting this extension for free from Microsoft." }, { "start": 2101, "end": 2104, "text": " They are not paying a dime for this license until June." }, { "start": 2104, "end": 2110, "text": " Yeah, I agree with both of those points." }, { "start": 2110, "end": 2117, "text": " Although it's still the thing you wrote back when this news first broke that they were going to be dropping Exchange Active Sync." }, { "start": 2117, "end": 2121, "text": " What was it you said? That Microsoft is either incompetent or lying?" }, { "start": 2121, "end": 2122, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2122, "end": 2124, "text": " By saying they were surprised by this news?" }, { "start": 2124, "end": 2125, "text": " Yeah, right." }, { "start": 2125, "end": 2126, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2126, "end": 2130, "text": " So I mean, that's good." }, { "start": 2130, "end": 2136, "text": " If I could pay Google to get Exchange, I guess I am for Google Apps, right?" }, { "start": 2136, "end": 2142, "text": " Because they are going to continue that support for Enterprise accounts and Google Apps accounts." }, { "start": 2142, "end": 2145, "text": " So in a sense, I am paying Google to have..." }, { "start": 2145, "end": 2148, "text": " And they don't have any more free Google Apps accounts as far as I know." }, { "start": 2148, "end": 2149, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2149, "end": 2154, "text": " So my whole point was that if I could pay Google for that, I would." }, { "start": 2154, "end": 2156, "text": " If I could pay Google for that for my personal account, I would." }, { "start": 2156, "end": 2159, "text": " It should come free if you buy the extra storage." }, { "start": 2159, "end": 2160, "text": " Oh, yeah." }, { "start": 2160, "end": 2167, "text": " If I'm not mistaken, Paul, who has no use for it, says he pays for..." }, { "start": 2167, "end": 2175, "text": " I think that he...like his personal setup is on Google Apps, which has always been intriguing to me." }, { "start": 2175, "end": 2178, "text": " But I don't know if I would pay for it." }, { "start": 2178, "end": 2182, "text": " It used to be for Google Apps that you could have like five or ten accounts for free or something like that." }, { "start": 2182, "end": 2187, "text": " And they recently changed. I want to say like last year they changed it that there's no longer a free account option." }, { "start": 2187, "end": 2199, "text": " Yeah, and it also used to be...I don't know if this is still the case, but it used to be that a lot of like really cool Google features would be rolled out on Google Apps accounts like long after they were on like regular Gmail accounts." }, { "start": 2199, "end": 2200, "text": " Definitely." }, { "start": 2200, "end": 2204, "text": " So that's something to consider, too. I don't know if that's still the case." }, { "start": 2204, "end": 2212, "text": " We also should point out that Windows Phone 7.8 is actually happening on Nokia's devices at least." }, { "start": 2212, "end": 2214, "text": " Oh, you know what else it's happening on?" }, { "start": 2214, "end": 2216, "text": " The Dell Venue Pro." }, { "start": 2216, "end": 2217, "text": " No way." }, { "start": 2217, "end": 2218, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2218, "end": 2219, "text": " You're lying." }, { "start": 2219, "end": 2220, "text": " No, look it up." }, { "start": 2220, "end": 2221, "text": " How did I miss this?" }, { "start": 2221, "end": 2222, "text": " That's amazing." }, { "start": 2222, "end": 2224, "text": " Two days ago, it got 7.8. Yep." }, { "start": 2224, "end": 2226, "text": " It's official, too. It's not a hack." }, { "start": 2226, "end": 2228, "text": " I want a Dell Venue Pro now." }, { "start": 2228, "end": 2230, "text": " And that is a fine phone." }, { "start": 2230, "end": 2238, "text": " Dude, you just got finished complaining about phones that are way too big for their screen size and now you're going to praise the Dell Venue Pro? Come on." }, { "start": 2238, "end": 2240, "text": " Well, because it's kind of creepy." }, { "start": 2240, "end": 2241, "text": " It's kind of creepy." }, { "start": 2241, "end": 2244, "text": " Yeah, it's true. It's true." }, { "start": 2244, "end": 2248, "text": " I hang my hand in shame." }, { "start": 2248, "end": 2258, "text": " But let me actually switch up before our UK audience goes to sleep, like me, because I'm really sleepy. It's late." }, { "start": 2258, "end": 2262, "text": " There's actually some really huge news in terms of the UK LTE market." }, { "start": 2262, "end": 2266, "text": " And it came out about half an hour into the Super Bowl." }, { "start": 2266, "end": 2270, "text": " It's like the company that announced it wanted to bury it or something." }, { "start": 2270, "end": 2279, "text": " In any case, midnight on Monday, Free UK announced that it would add LTE to its packages without a price premium." }, { "start": 2279, "end": 2283, "text": " And that is just humongously massive." }, { "start": 2283, "end": 2288, "text": " I'm reading it and I'm just trying to find where is the small print?" }, { "start": 2288, "end": 2290, "text": " Where are these guys qualifying this statement?" }, { "start": 2290, "end": 2300, "text": " Because so far, LTE has just been this super premium, EE only offering." }, { "start": 2300, "end": 2311, "text": " And EE is treating it like this especially special thing, even though it isn't on the best frequency and it doesn't have all that great building penetration." }, { "start": 2311, "end": 2320, "text": " The thing with Free in the UK is that they've consistently had the absolute best prices among the local carriers." }, { "start": 2320, "end": 2324, "text": " Particularly with London, they have some of the best 3G coverage." }, { "start": 2324, "end": 2329, "text": " So if you want data in London, Free is the best value by a mile." }, { "start": 2329, "end": 2335, "text": " I think the last time I was in London, I bought a 3 data only SIM because it was cheap and fast." }, { "start": 2335, "end": 2339, "text": " Yeah, I mean, it's both cheap and fast." }, { "start": 2339, "end": 2344, "text": " And now all of a sudden, they're going to stage D, which is going to LTE speeds." }, { "start": 2344, "end": 2345, "text": " I mean, that's brilliant." }, { "start": 2345, "end": 2353, "text": " Everybody else is either going to have to come down in price and compete with Free or lose a ton of customers." }, { "start": 2353, "end": 2355, "text": " So this is a big promise." }, { "start": 2355, "end": 2358, "text": " I don't know how the company is going to manage it financially." }, { "start": 2358, "end": 2363, "text": " I don't know how they're working through that hump, through that hurdle." }, { "start": 2363, "end": 2365, "text": " Minor details." }, { "start": 2365, "end": 2371, "text": " I'm a Free subscriber myself and I'm paying almost nothing." }, { "start": 2371, "end": 2377, "text": " So just getting LTE on top of that is going to be a beauty." }, { "start": 2377, "end": 2379, "text": " It's awesome news." }, { "start": 2379, "end": 2385, "text": " So yeah, we still don't know when it's going to happen." }, { "start": 2385, "end": 2387, "text": " It will probably be like November time or whatever." }, { "start": 2387, "end": 2395, "text": " But at least it's something really good and worthwhile to look forward to." }, { "start": 2395, "end": 2399, "text": " So yay for us." }, { "start": 2399, "end": 2400, "text": " Cool." }, { "start": 2400, "end": 2404, "text": " You're so envious you can't even say anything." }, { "start": 2404, "end": 2412, "text": " It's funny, we got LTE theoretically without price increases on all the carriers in the US," }, { "start": 2412, "end": 2414, "text": " although they've been messing around with their data plans so much." }, { "start": 2414, "end": 2417, "text": " Probably part of that was because of LTE I guess." }, { "start": 2417, "end": 2424, "text": " But the idea that you would just assume you'd be paying an extra however much a month just to get LTE," }, { "start": 2424, "end": 2429, "text": " people would be storming the gates here if that were the case." }, { "start": 2429, "end": 2433, "text": " Well yeah, but at the same time you guys pay hundreds of dollars per month." }, { "start": 2433, "end": 2438, "text": " Whereas the UK subscriptions are much, much cheaper on a regular basis." }, { "start": 2438, "end": 2441, "text": " So the only thing that I'm really bummed about is the next time I go to London," }, { "start": 2441, "end": 2448, "text": " I won't be able to use that LTE if 3 has enabled its cheap LTE because my device won't be compatible." }, { "start": 2448, "end": 2450, "text": " Boo." }, { "start": 2450, "end": 2452, "text": " Yeah, that's true." }, { "start": 2452, "end": 2457, "text": " Do you want to talk about the X-Phone from Motorola?" }, { "start": 2457, "end": 2462, "text": " I mean, do we know any specifics about it?" }, { "start": 2462, "end": 2466, "text": " No, this job listing allegedly confirmed its name." }, { "start": 2466, "end": 2472, "text": " An X-Phone project is in the works for sure, which was reported by the Wall Street Journal." }, { "start": 2472, "end": 2480, "text": " And the way Motorola handled that after that leaves me to believe that it was not a fake listing." }, { "start": 2480, "end": 2482, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2482, "end": 2487, "text": " It was originally a listing on LinkedIn that included the X-Phone name." }, { "start": 2487, "end": 2493, "text": " And if you look for it on Motorola's career site, you could find the exact same listing minus the X-Phone name," }, { "start": 2493, "end": 2496, "text": " and then a couple hours later it was gone from LinkedIn." }, { "start": 2496, "end": 2498, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2498, "end": 2504, "text": " Well, speaking of pooled documents and things, again, I don't know if this happened before last week's podcast," }, { "start": 2504, "end": 2507, "text": " but there was a Qualcomm document." }, { "start": 2507, "end": 2513, "text": " Remember the one pointing to Keyline Pi coming out in the second quarter of the year?" }, { "start": 2513, "end": 2516, "text": " Oh, yeah, yeah. It was a huge document dump for Qualcomm." }, { "start": 2516, "end": 2518, "text": " Slide deck, yeah." }, { "start": 2518, "end": 2524, "text": " And, well, Qualcomm's thing is, Qualcomm has leaks that happen seemingly every year," }, { "start": 2524, "end": 2527, "text": " and every year it issues takedown notices for them." }, { "start": 2527, "end": 2533, "text": " And the interesting part of this leak was that there was one slide that said," }, { "start": 2533, "end": 2538, "text": " Android Keyline Pi may tentatively be launched in the spring of 2013," }, { "start": 2538, "end": 2545, "text": " which is like a very broad estimate, and even the slide itself said it was just an estimate." }, { "start": 2545, "end": 2549, "text": " But it does line up with when Google I.O. is supposed to happen in May." }, { "start": 2549, "end": 2555, "text": " If we don't see Keyline Pi or whatever it's going to be called then, it would be a big surprise." }, { "start": 2555, "end": 2563, "text": " Well, I also think that there are some issues with Jelly Bean, particularly 4.2," }, { "start": 2563, "end": 2569, "text": " which people have been encountering, so that's something to kind of look forward to, I guess." }, { "start": 2569, "end": 2571, "text": " Such as?" }, { "start": 2571, "end": 2577, "text": " Well, I mean, Dita had complained with the Nexus 7 that he would have preferred to keep it at 4.1," }, { "start": 2577, "end": 2585, "text": " and I did find it, like the Nexus 7 that Dita handed off to me, I do find it a bit more sluggish," }, { "start": 2585, "end": 2589, "text": " and behaved a bit more oddly than stock ones." }, { "start": 2589, "end": 2593, "text": " I know Bluetooth streaming is totally not a stock on the Nexus 7." }, { "start": 2593, "end": 2599, "text": " Oh, yeah, I mean, yeah, it's stock 4.2, but I mean, stock when you buy a 4.1 Nexus 7." }, { "start": 2599, "end": 2603, "text": " Right. Or a Nexus 7 with 4.1. I'm not expressing myself very well." }, { "start": 2603, "end": 2606, "text": " So I have a crazy theory that I'm going to throw out." }, { "start": 2606, "end": 2613, "text": " I think, first of all, I think that it's completely insane to believe that Google will have the successor" }, { "start": 2613, "end": 2616, "text": " to the Nexus 4 ready in time for Google I.O." }, { "start": 2616, "end": 2618, "text": " I agree." }, { "start": 2618, "end": 2626, "text": " But I do think that they will debut the white Nexus 4 at Google I.O. as an option." }, { "start": 2626, "end": 2628, "text": " I bet they'll probably give it to all the attendees." }, { "start": 2628, "end": 2633, "text": " That could be. But either way, I think that'll somehow be tied into the launch of Key Lime Pie." }, { "start": 2633, "end": 2637, "text": " Secondly, this is less a prediction and more of a gloat." }, { "start": 2637, "end": 2643, "text": " I just want to point out that The Verge called the Key Lime Pie name like a year ago." }, { "start": 2646, "end": 2648, "text": " What else would it have been?" }, { "start": 2648, "end": 2653, "text": " We were first. It could be... hold on." }, { "start": 2653, "end": 2656, "text": " I don't know. I'm not Googling this." }, { "start": 2656, "end": 2660, "text": " I mean, I don't know." }, { "start": 2660, "end": 2662, "text": " It's not your..." }, { "start": 2662, "end": 2664, "text": " Klondike bars." }, { "start": 2664, "end": 2669, "text": " It's not your... yeah, it could be Klondike bar. That's a good one." }, { "start": 2669, "end": 2673, "text": " But I do think that it's going to be Key Lime Pie." }, { "start": 2673, "end": 2675, "text": " No, it could have been K.O. Cake." }, { "start": 2675, "end": 2679, "text": " Only for you, Vlad. Not for anybody else." }, { "start": 2679, "end": 2681, "text": " K.O. Quiche." }, { "start": 2681, "end": 2685, "text": " That is not a dessert in anyone's household except yours." }, { "start": 2685, "end": 2691, "text": " That's like a punishment food. That's not a dessert. That's not a reward." }, { "start": 2691, "end": 2698, "text": " Listen, when I cook K.O. Cake and when I write my reviews the way Nokia does, it's amazing." }, { "start": 2703, "end": 2707, "text": " Man. What else is there that happened this week?" }, { "start": 2707, "end": 2710, "text": " I feel like we could go back to the BlackBerry Wells some more." }, { "start": 2710, "end": 2715, "text": " There's a rumor that Vertu might launch an Android phone, which is kind of crazy, if you ask me." }, { "start": 2715, "end": 2717, "text": " Of course they're going to launch an Android phone." }, { "start": 2717, "end": 2719, "text": " What would you expect them to do?" }, { "start": 2719, "end": 2721, "text": " They're still launching anything. They're not even owned by Nokia anymore." }, { "start": 2721, "end": 2723, "text": " How is it that they're still in business?" }, { "start": 2723, "end": 2734, "text": " Right, but keep in mind that Vertu, I believe... I might be making this up, but I think that Nokia has said in the past that Vertu has been a profitable division for them." }, { "start": 2734, "end": 2735, "text": " Oh, yeah." }, { "start": 2735, "end": 2741, "text": " And that makes sense because they charge completely asinine amounts of money for these devices." }, { "start": 2741, "end": 2744, "text": " They sell one phone, turn a profitable quarter." }, { "start": 2744, "end": 2752, "text": " Right. Their cheapest models are like $4,500 or $5,000 and that's for devices that don't have any precious metal at all." }, { "start": 2752, "end": 2756, "text": " And then you can go up to $100,000 for a solid gold phone." }, { "start": 2756, "end": 2769, "text": " But what's interesting to me about this is that, yes, I totally agree with you guys that an Android Vertu is inevitable, but Nokia does still have a stake in Vertu." }, { "start": 2769, "end": 2779, "text": " So you could say... you wouldn't be entirely wrong in saying that Nokia is going to make an Android phone, despite Stevie's promises to the contrary." }, { "start": 2779, "end": 2785, "text": " No, Nokia still owns like what, 10 or 20% of Vertu or something like that?" }, { "start": 2785, "end": 2800, "text": " Well, Nokia should have held on to all of that actually because it was recently... I don't know where I came across it, but there was a statement from Vertu saying that they're actually growing and their profits are expanding and improving and things like that." }, { "start": 2800, "end": 2809, "text": " And I was asking the exact same question as Dan. How are these guys still in business, whereas they are thriving? They're improving." }, { "start": 2809, "end": 2818, "text": " Well, I guess when you manufacture things that are three years behind the development cycle of everyone else, it's pretty cheap to do." }, { "start": 2818, "end": 2828, "text": " The one thing, I mean, although it's not surprising that they're going the Android route, you have to think about the clientele." }, { "start": 2828, "end": 2831, "text": " The people that are using Vertu devices don't really care." }, { "start": 2831, "end": 2842, "text": " I mean, they're the kinds of people where instead of wanting to check the weather on their phone, they press the concierge button on the side of the phone, which connects them to a Vertu concierge, and then they ask what the weather is going to be." }, { "start": 2842, "end": 2844, "text": " That's like the ultimate weather app, by the way." }, { "start": 2844, "end": 2846, "text": " Yeah, they actually..." }, { "start": 2846, "end": 2850, "text": " I would fill out my weather app collection and I'd be done." }, { "start": 2850, "end": 2856, "text": " I just want to point out that of all my predictions of what we talked about today, we've covered all of them but one. I'm really excited." }, { "start": 2856, "end": 2857, "text": " Which is?" }, { "start": 2857, "end": 2860, "text": " I'm not saying. See if you guys can just come to it organically." }, { "start": 2860, "end": 2861, "text": " Oh, God." }, { "start": 2861, "end": 2867, "text": " So what I was going to say is that in that respect, it doesn't really matter..." }, { "start": 2867, "end": 2875, "text": " I think it matters very little what operating system a Vertu phone runs compared to other platforms because keep in mind, Vertu still makes the signature, I think, which is a dumb phone." }, { "start": 2875, "end": 2877, "text": " It's like running S30 or S40." }, { "start": 2877, "end": 2882, "text": " And Gwyneth Paltrow is still buying them by the dozens." }, { "start": 2882, "end": 2885, "text": " Gwyneth Paltrow, really?" }, { "start": 2885, "end": 2888, "text": " So a future... Yeah, she's a huge Vertu fan." }, { "start": 2888, "end": 2890, "text": " So the..." }, { "start": 2890, "end": 2892, "text": " She's single-handedly keeping the company afloat." }, { "start": 2892, "end": 2899, "text": " So a future Vertu could very easily run Windows Phone, just stay in lockstep with its part owner, Nokia." }, { "start": 2899, "end": 2903, "text": " And I don't think that its clients would be any of the wiser." }, { "start": 2903, "end": 2910, "text": " As long as they can figure out how to make a phone call and there's still the button on the side that immediately connects them to a concierge, they would be all set." }, { "start": 2910, "end": 2918, "text": " I love this concierge thing. It's basically like a real-life human Siri." }, { "start": 2918, "end": 2920, "text": " That's exactly what it is!" }, { "start": 2920, "end": 2922, "text": " That's exactly what it is!" }, { "start": 2922, "end": 2924, "text": " It's a real-life virtual assistant!" }, { "start": 2924, "end": 2929, "text": " Vertu had this figured out years before Apple." }, { "start": 2929, "end": 2934, "text": " Now all I want to know is what Dieter's last thing is." }, { "start": 2934, "end": 2936, "text": " That's consuming me." }, { "start": 2936, "end": 2942, "text": " Why are you thinking about that? Let's make a quick mention about Lenovo, because this company is really intriguing me." }, { "start": 2942, "end": 2957, "text": " This week they reported their revenues and contrary to every other PC maker, including Apple with its Macs, they're actually growing in terms of sales, in terms of profits." }, { "start": 2957, "end": 2959, "text": " They broke all of their records." }, { "start": 2959, "end": 2963, "text": " Revenues, profits, sales, shipments, yada yada yada." }, { "start": 2963, "end": 2973, "text": " Their smartphone division, exactly as the CEO promised less than six months ago, has turned profitable for the first time in the last quarter." }, { "start": 2973, "end": 2977, "text": " Lenovo is actually doing well, which to me is really amazing." }, { "start": 2977, "end": 2990, "text": " It's obviously, all of this growth is China-centric and it's the one area where all of us are perhaps less informed than we should be." }, { "start": 2990, "end": 2995, "text": " So we're not perfectly clear on what particular part of it is growing." }, { "start": 2995, "end": 3001, "text": " But to me, when I think Lenovo and smartphones, I think misguided Intel devices." }, { "start": 3001, "end": 3009, "text": " So it's just really odd to me how this company just keeps pushing ahead." }, { "start": 3009, "end": 3014, "text": " Do you think it's selling all these Intel devices?" }, { "start": 3014, "end": 3022, "text": " Well, we've got to remember that the Chinese market where Lenovo actually offers its products for sale is enormous." }, { "start": 3022, "end": 3026, "text": " And there's a huge pool of customers to tap into." }, { "start": 3026, "end": 3035, "text": " And even if they're only tapping into a small fraction of it, there's well over a billion cell phone customers, there's cell phone connections in China." }, { "start": 3035, "end": 3039, "text": " And something like a few hundred thousand smartphone owners, which is insane." }, { "start": 3039, "end": 3046, "text": " That's all of the US. So there's a huge market to tap there for Lenovo." }, { "start": 3046, "end": 3051, "text": " And Lenovo, as I understand it, is a well-loved company in China." }, { "start": 3051, "end": 3056, "text": " But that was the other thing. Actually, looking at the breakdown, the growth wasn't just in China." }, { "start": 3056, "end": 3059, "text": " It's actually growing really healthily all over the place." }, { "start": 3059, "end": 3065, "text": " Probably Latin America, I would guess. Southeast Asia, right?" }, { "start": 3065, "end": 3067, "text": " More or less everywhere but here." }, { "start": 3067, "end": 3081, "text": " Africa. Yeah, there's a huge market for devices in China and in Africa that very few companies have really sold." }, { "start": 3081, "end": 3086, "text": " That's one of Nokia's traditional strong suits, and that's something that they sell into with the Asha line." }, { "start": 3086, "end": 3089, "text": " And some of their very low-end Windows phones." }, { "start": 3089, "end": 3091, "text": " And that's obviously Lenovo's strength too." }, { "start": 3091, "end": 3101, "text": " But I don't want to read into it too much in terms of their ability to penetrate into entrenched markets." }, { "start": 3101, "end": 3105, "text": " I don't see a Lenovo phone launching anytime soon in the US." }, { "start": 3105, "end": 3110, "text": " I don't see one really taking Europe by storm, at least Western Europe." }, { "start": 3110, "end": 3113, "text": " Do you think that's going to happen?" }, { "start": 3113, "end": 3119, "text": " Vlad, what was that orange phone with the Intel processor?" }, { "start": 3119, "end": 3121, "text": " That was not a Lenovo, right?" }, { "start": 3121, "end": 3123, "text": " No, no, no, it wasn't." }, { "start": 3123, "end": 3131, "text": " That whole thing was designed in San Diego and then it got renamed into the San Francisco." }, { "start": 3131, "end": 3135, "text": " Oh, because of Qualcomm, right?" }, { "start": 3135, "end": 3138, "text": " That's the theory anyway." }, { "start": 3138, "end": 3140, "text": " That was just an Intel phone." }, { "start": 3140, "end": 3145, "text": " But wasn't that built by Zolo or something like that? YOLO with an X?" }, { "start": 3145, "end": 3148, "text": " Or is that the same chassis?" }, { "start": 3148, "end": 3151, "text": " I think it's pretty much the same design and device." }, { "start": 3151, "end": 3160, "text": " But the Zolo launched in India and other places that we're not anywhere near to." }, { "start": 3160, "end": 3164, "text": " So I need to run, guys." }, { "start": 3164, "end": 3167, "text": " Dan, do you want to do the wrap-up?" }, { "start": 3167, "end": 3169, "text": " I think you can handle it." }, { "start": 3169, "end": 3171, "text": " Sure." }, { "start": 3171, "end": 3177, "text": " So I guess that's episode 35 for this week, which is February 4th, 2013." }, { "start": 3177, "end": 3180, "text": " It's episode 35 this week and every week." }, { "start": 3180, "end": 3182, "text": " This week and every week, yes." }, { "start": 3182, "end": 3185, "text": " So tune in next week for episode 35." }, { "start": 3185, "end": 3192, "text": " If you want to follow us on Twitter, I'm dccferd with an EI." }, { "start": 3192, "end": 3194, "text": " Dieter, who just left, is at backlon." }, { "start": 3194, "end": 3196, "text": " Vlad is Vlad Savov." }, { "start": 3196, "end": 3198, "text": " And Chris is zpower." }, { "start": 3198, "end": 3202, "text": " And be sure to leave a comment on the post if you want to give us feedback." }, { "start": 3202, "end": 3204, "text": " And that's it." }, { "start": 3204, "end": 3206, "text": " Thanks for watching, guys." }, { "start": 3206, "end": 3208, "text": " Bye-bye." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 5.8, "text": " It's Monday, February 4th, 2013. I'm Addi Robertson, and I pledge my allegiance to the Red Jaguars." }, { "start": 5.8, "end": 7.8, "text": " This is 90 Seconds on the Verge." }, { "start": 7.8, "end": 9.8, "text": " Super Bowl XLVII has come and gone." }, { "start": 9.8, "end": 13.200000000000001, "text": " Last night, the Ravens beat the 49ers 34-31," }, { "start": 13.200000000000001, "end": 17, "text": " and in between all that, Beyonce performed the halftime show with an army of clones," }, { "start": 17, "end": 19.5, "text": " as well as an all-too-brief Destiny's Child reunion." }, { "start": 19.5, "end": 22.2, "text": " But the craziest moment of last night had to be the blackout." }, { "start": 22.2, "end": 27.2, "text": " The entire game was stalled for 35 minutes as the Superdome experienced a major power outage." }, { "start": 27.2, "end": 29.5, "text": " A number of sponsors took to Twitter to crack wise," }, { "start": 29.5, "end": 33.2, "text": " but Oreo took it a step further with a very clever image proclaiming, quote," }, { "start": 33.2, "end": 35.2, "text": " You can still dunk in the dark." }, { "start": 35.2, "end": 37.8, "text": " It was the best ad all night, and probably the cheapest." }, { "start": 37.8, "end": 40.4, "text": " But enough about sportsball. Let's talk iPhone." }, { "start": 40.4, "end": 44.2, "text": " A jailbreak for the iPhone 5 and iPad Mini is now available." }, { "start": 44.2, "end": 48.7, "text": " The tool, dubbed Evasion, is the first to support Apple's newest line of iOS devices," }, { "start": 48.7, "end": 51.7, "text": " as well as older ones that run iOS 6.1." }, { "start": 51.7, "end": 57, "text": " As always, jailbreaking voids your warranty, and in this case it also screws up Apple's weather app." }, { "start": 57, "end": 58.2, "text": " Consider yourself warned." }, { "start": 58.2, "end": 64, "text": " Finally, we're 100 days into Windows 8, and we've barely scratched the surface." }, { "start": 64, "end": 68.7, "text": " Microsoft has thus far revealed over 60 million license sales from the new operating system." }, { "start": 68.7, "end": 73.2, "text": " The company, however, will not reveal any sales figures for its first Surface tablet." }, { "start": 73.2, "end": 78.60000000000001, "text": " Analysts estimate sales have been just shy of 1 million for Microsoft's first-party Windows RT device." }, { "start": 78.60000000000001, "end": 82.80000000000001, "text": " The Surface Pro, with full Windows 8 functionality, goes on sale later this week." }, { "start": 82.80000000000001, "end": 84.60000000000001, "text": " And that's it for today's top stories." }, { "start": 84.6, "end": 89, "text": " Tune in tomorrow for the legend of Richard III's animated skeletal remains." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 4.5, "text": " Hey everybody, it's Ben Popper, writer at The Verge." }, { "start": 4.5, "end": 12.040000000000001, "text": " Today I'm going to use the internet to learn how to play guitar." }, { "start": 12.040000000000001, "end": 13.84, "text": " I'm going to be using a service called Instinct." }, { "start": 13.84, "end": 16.32, "text": " It's a piece of software that works on the browser." }, { "start": 16.32, "end": 20, "text": " You don't have to download or install anything, just register for the site." }, { "start": 20, "end": 22.48, "text": " And what makes it really interesting is that there's no notation." }, { "start": 22.48, "end": 26.16, "text": " It listens to what you're playing through a microphone, tells you if you're doing it" }, { "start": 26.16, "end": 28.94, "text": " right and tries to teach you how to play guitar." }, { "start": 28.94, "end": 32.6, "text": " So the first thing you're going to want to do is make sure your guitar is in tune." }, { "start": 32.6, "end": 36.46, "text": " And Instinct has a program that teaches you how to do that." }, { "start": 36.46, "end": 40.06, "text": " You play the note." }, { "start": 40.06, "end": 44.88, "text": " And Instinct shows you if you're too high, if you're too low." }, { "start": 44.88, "end": 50, "text": " Alright, so I've tuned my guitar." }, { "start": 50, "end": 51, "text": " It was pretty painless." }, { "start": 51, "end": 55.16, "text": " I felt like it helped me to hear kind of the notes a little bit and to get a sense of which" }, { "start": 55.16, "end": 59.44, "text": " one of these thingamabobbers over here goes with each one of the strings." }, { "start": 59.44, "end": 65.08, "text": " So the next thing I'm going to do is try out a series of courses called Year of Rock." }, { "start": 65.08, "end": 69.39999999999999, "text": " The guys at Instinct were inspired by Code Academy, which did a year of coding." }, { "start": 69.39999999999999, "end": 71.19999999999999, "text": " And each week they would send you a weekly lesson." }, { "start": 71.19999999999999, "end": 72.92, "text": " And you get little points and badges." }, { "start": 72.92, "end": 74.47999999999999, "text": " They've kind of gamified it." }, { "start": 74.48, "end": 96.36, "text": " The riff I'm going to try and learn to play today is Seven Nation Army by the White Stripes." }, { "start": 96.36, "end": 97.36, "text": " That's not working at all." }, { "start": 97.36, "end": 98.36, "text": " Oh, there we go." }, { "start": 98.36, "end": 102.36, "text": " Okay, I hit the first note." }, { "start": 102.36, "end": 106.68, "text": " Okay now it wants me to take my, what is that, my pinky?" }, { "start": 106.68, "end": 107.68, "text": " This is hard." }, { "start": 107.68, "end": 113.53999999999999, "text": " Nope, let's, got to make sure I start in the right spot." }, { "start": 113.53999999999999, "end": 117, "text": " One thing I didn't realize, which I see now, is that they show you these little spots on" }, { "start": 117, "end": 118.8, "text": " the guitar." }, { "start": 118.8, "end": 122.72, "text": " And if you line your fingers up with that, it's a little easier to tell what fret you're" }, { "start": 122.72, "end": 123.72, "text": " supposed to be playing." }, { "start": 123.72, "end": 127.48, "text": " But it's not explaining to you, you know, why you might start in some place or where" }, { "start": 127.48, "end": 131.28, "text": " a good place to put your fingers would be." }, { "start": 131.28, "end": 150.92000000000002, "text": " It's not, it's not easy man." }, { "start": 150.92000000000002, "end": 156.2, "text": " This guitar sh** ain't easy, I'm telling you." }, { "start": 156.2, "end": 162.35999999999999, "text": " I enjoyed the lesson." }, { "start": 162.35999999999999, "end": 165.72, "text": " I felt like at the end I could kind of hear the riff I was supposed to play." }, { "start": 165.72, "end": 169.92, "text": " And you know, I definitely would have, I would keep practicing because it's simple." }, { "start": 169.92, "end": 173.56, "text": " You could just sit down at home with a guitar, open up your browser and do it." }, { "start": 173.56, "end": 177.2, "text": " Did it teach me to play the riff in five minutes?" }, { "start": 177.2, "end": 178.2, "text": " No." }, { "start": 178.2, "end": 181.64, "text": " Do I feel like I learned a little bit about how to play the guitar?" }, { "start": 181.64, "end": 182.64, "text": " Yeah, I think so." }, { "start": 182.64, "end": 194.72, "text": " Yeah, you starting to hear it?" } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 5.2, "text": " It's Friday, February 1st, 2013. I am number one sportsball enthusiast Corey Williams," }, { "start": 5.2, "end": 7.7, "text": " and this is 90 seconds on the verge." }, { "start": 7.7, "end": 11.22, "text": " We may be less than three weeks away from the next PlayStation. Sony this week announced" }, { "start": 11.22, "end": 16.14, "text": " that we will, quote, see the future on February 20th. According to many major publications," }, { "start": 16.14, "end": 20.44, "text": " that future is the PlayStation 4, codename Orvis. The Wall Street Journal says Sony is" }, { "start": 20.44, "end": 24.94, "text": " focused on, quote, changes in how users interact with the machine. Rumor has it that the next" }, { "start": 24.94, "end": 29.48, "text": " PlayStation will launch this holiday season, possibly alongside a new Xbox. Don't have" }, { "start": 29.48, "end": 35.04, "text": " weekend plans? Now you do. Netflix has released this new series, House of Cards. All of the" }, { "start": 35.04, "end": 39.84, "text": " episodes are available now. Executive produced by David Fincher, the show stars Kevin Spacey" }, { "start": 39.84, "end": 44.28, "text": " as a Washington politician determined to get back at a president that did him wrong. Amazon," }, { "start": 44.28, "end": 47.8, "text": " meanwhile, took the day to announce that they will be the only U.S.-based subscription service" }, { "start": 47.8, "end": 52.120000000000005, "text": " to have Downton Abbey starting this July. You can't get both sides of this devilish" }, { "start": 52.120000000000005, "end": 58.32, "text": " aristocratic pond in one service. Finally, Iranian monkeys. Iran launched a monkey into" }, { "start": 58.32, "end": 62.4, "text": " space earlier this week and confirmed that the animal made it back alive. Several news" }, { "start": 62.4, "end": 66.2, "text": " sources, however, are reporting that the monkey Iran's been showing off post-flight isn't" }, { "start": 66.2, "end": 71.28, "text": " actually the same monkey it showed off pre-flight. Primate doppelgangers? Conspiracy theories?" }, { "start": 71.28, "end": 75.76, "text": " Man, furry-ing candidates? Let's just hope the little guy's OK. After all, we need a" }, { "start": 75.76, "end": 80.36, "text": " host for next week. And that's it for today's top stories. Coming next week, it's the sports" }, { "start": 80.36, "end": 84.88, "text": " ball finals. Watch as players hat-trick across the gridiron. Expect the orange flags to go" }, { "start": 84.88, "end": 88.83999999999999, "text": " a-flying. Boom goes the nitroglycerin-based explosive material." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 3.16, "text": " It's Thursday, January 31st, 2013." }, { "start": 3.16, "end": 7.42, "text": " I'm Ellis Hamburger, and I've been dared to eat 50 cheeseburgers for my birthday." }, { "start": 7.42, "end": 9.72, "text": " This is 90 Seconds on the Verge, presented by Ford." }, { "start": 9.72, "end": 12.4, "text": " Have video games seemed too tame lately?" }, { "start": 12.4, "end": 13.4, "text": " That's about to change." }, { "start": 13.4, "end": 15.120000000000001, "text": " Grand Theft Auto 5 has a release date." }, { "start": 15.120000000000001, "end": 18.84, "text": " Rockstar Games announced that the latest entry in its infamous franchise will arrive for" }, { "start": 18.84, "end": 22.64, "text": " the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on September 17th." }, { "start": 22.64, "end": 26.240000000000002, "text": " That's a bit after the spring release originally promised, but the company said it simply needs" }, { "start": 26.240000000000002, "end": 28.2, "text": " a little more polish to reach its high standards." }, { "start": 28.2, "end": 32.4, "text": " It's a hard life out there, optimizing Dead Hooker character model after Dead Hooker character" }, { "start": 32.4, "end": 33.4, "text": " model." }, { "start": 33.4, "end": 37.6, "text": " Speaking of games, Moon director Duncan Jones has signed on to direct a live-action movie" }, { "start": 37.6, "end": 39, "text": " version of World of Warcraft." }, { "start": 39, "end": 43.28, "text": " Jones gained fame for his 2009 sci-fi drama Moon, starring Sam Rockwell." }, { "start": 43.28, "end": 47.36, "text": " According to The Hollywood Reporter, Jones will start filming his trip to Azeroth in" }, { "start": 47.36, "end": 50.2, "text": " 2013, aiming for a 2015 debut." }, { "start": 50.2, "end": 52.120000000000005, "text": " Also coming in 2015?" }, { "start": 52.120000000000005, "end": 55.44, "text": " Joss Whedon's Avengers 2 and Jar Jar Abrams' Star Wars Episode VII." }, { "start": 55.44, "end": 57.44, "text": " This is going to be a good year for nerds." }, { "start": 57.44, "end": 60.599999999999994, "text": " Finally, Google Glass is getting a little bit closer to reality." }, { "start": 60.599999999999994, "end": 64.48, "text": " A much-hyped headset showed up in a set of FCC filings this week." }, { "start": 64.48, "end": 68.44, "text": " Google has already said the Explorer Edition of Glass would arrive early this year, but" }, { "start": 68.44, "end": 70.48, "text": " the documents did reveal one surprise." }, { "start": 70.48, "end": 74.03999999999999, "text": " The headset is set to conduct audio to the wearer using vibration." }, { "start": 74.03999999999999, "end": 77.84, "text": " The Explorer Edition is set to arrive in 2013 for die-hard voyeurs only." }, { "start": 77.84, "end": 79.44, "text": " And that's it for today's top stories." }, { "start": 79.44, "end": 90.28, "text": " Now if you'll excuse me, I am really hungry." } ]

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I'm balanced." }, { "start": 16.2, "end": 18.76, "text": " I'm trying to do BlackBerry stuff." }, { "start": 18.76, "end": 20.64, "text": " We're here, we're live." }, { "start": 20.64, "end": 24.76, "text": " The new BlackBerry, a company that was called RIM and has now renamed itself to BlackBerry," }, { "start": 24.76, "end": 28.32, "text": " just had its launch event for BlackBerry 10, the platform." }, { "start": 28.32, "end": 34.4, "text": " Two phones, the Z10 and the Q10, and we're just going to emotionally react to that news" }, { "start": 34.4, "end": 38.4, "text": " Can I just say, by the way, that I didn't realize how confusing this whole new name thing" }, { "start": 38.4, "end": 41.56, "text": " is going to be until you just described it just now." }, { "start": 41.56, "end": 44.120000000000005, "text": " So let's go through the announcements because there's a lot to talk about with the name" }, { "start": 44.120000000000005, "end": 44.879999999999995, "text": " change." }, { "start": 44.879999999999995, "end": 51.879999999999995, "text": " So RIM, the company that you may know as RIM, research and management, held their event" }, { "start": 53.16, "end": 54.92, "text": " today." }, { "start": 54.92, "end": 57.8, "text": " And just basically a lot of announcements." }, { "start": 57.8, "end": 60.839999999999996, "text": " The new platform, which we had known about BlackBerry 10, they've been talking about" }, { "start": 60.839999999999996, "end": 62.04, "text": " it for a while." }, { "start": 62.04, "end": 67.24, "text": " The two new phones, which have been pretty thoroughly leaked, but we have a review up," }, { "start": 67.24, "end": 70, "text": " we have seen the phone now in extreme detail." }, { "start": 70, "end": 72.44, "text": " They went through some demos, they announced a bunch of apps that are going to support" }, { "start": 72.44, "end": 73.39999999999999, "text": " the new platform." }, { "start": 73.39999999999999, "end": 77.44, "text": " But arguably the biggest news is that they are changing the name of the company from" }, { "start": 77.44, "end": 79.36, "text": " RIM to BlackBerry." }, { "start": 79.36, "end": 83.4, "text": " And Thorson Hines, the CEO, said that's what customers know us as, that's what people call" }, { "start": 83.4, "end": 88.80000000000001, "text": " us where they're cashing in on the BlackBerry brand cache that they have." }, { "start": 88.80000000000001, "end": 90.56, "text": " And it is in fact very confusing." }, { "start": 90.56, "end": 93.08000000000001, "text": " I mean on the one hand it kind of makes sense, right?" }, { "start": 93.08000000000001, "end": 96.52000000000001, "text": " Because RIM is BlackBerry and BlackBerry is RIM." }, { "start": 96.52000000000001, "end": 97.84, "text": " We've always kind of associated the two." }, { "start": 97.84, "end": 101.98, "text": " And I couldn't name a thing for you that RIM does that isn't BlackBerry." }, { "start": 101.98, "end": 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153.64, "end": 159.84, "text": " And that it's not, I think there's not a killer app to push you away from an Android or an" }, { "start": 159.84, "end": 161.66, "text": " iPhone if you have one and you're happy." }, { "start": 161.66, "end": 164.08, "text": " But there's the potential for that in the future." }, { "start": 164.08, "end": 165.08, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 165.08, "end": 166.08, "text": " I mean that's the problem." }, { "start": 166.08, "end": 167.96, "text": " And we have lots more to say about this I guess." }, { "start": 167.96, "end": 172.92000000000002, "text": " But it's like everybody else made this first step five years ago." }, { "start": 172.92000000000002, "end": 177, "text": " So now the question is like can they make enough of these steps quickly enough that" }, { "start": 177, "end": 178, "text": " they'll catch up." }, { "start": 178, "end": 181.32, "text": " And like they seem to be, I was actually kind of impressed with this event." }, { "start": 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Greetings." }, { "start": 225.84, "end": 228.64000000000001, "text": " Can you guys hear and see me?" }, { "start": 228.64000000000001, "end": 229.64000000000001, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 229.64000000000001, "end": 230.64000000000001, "text": " We can do both of those things." }, { "start": 230.64000000000001, "end": 231.64000000000001, "text": " Show us this phone man." }, { "start": 231.64000000000001, "end": 234.6, "text": " I love you but I want to see the phone." }, { "start": 234.6, "end": 235.68, "text": " So here it is." }, { "start": 235.68, "end": 236.68, "text": " So what do you think?" }, { "start": 236.68, "end": 240.92000000000002, "text": " What's your situation mentally?" }, { "start": 240.92000000000002, "end": 245.64000000000001, "text": " My first takeaway is that it actually reminds me of the iPhone a lot." }, { "start": 245.64000000000001, "end": 249.88, "text": " I'm just going to try and hold the two up side by side." }, { "start": 249.88, "end": 253.04, 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the hub." }, { "start": 415.28, "end": 416.64, "text": " Then you go to this Moses asking menu." }, { "start": 416.64, "end": 419.8, "text": " It's kind of like the Nokia N9 in some respects." }, { "start": 419.8, "end": 423.88, "text": " And then eventually you get the grasp of this swipe up from the bottom to leave an app and" }, { "start": 423.88, "end": 425.36, "text": " come back to the home screen." }, { "start": 425.36, "end": 428.36, "text": " So no, I don't think it's really intuitive to be fair." }, { "start": 428.36, "end": 433.44, "text": " But you also have a nice lock screen, which I'm trying to bring up now." }, { "start": 433.44, "end": 438.96, "text": " So you get a whole bunch of information and notifications on your lock screen." }, { "start": 438.96, "end": 443.56, "text": " And you unlock it with this really nice fading animation action." }, { "start": 443.56, "end": 448.76, "text": " And then there's, if you hold down the camera button on the screen, there's a little animation" }, { "start": 448.76, "end": 451.04, "text": " that kicks you into the camera." }, { "start": 451.04, "end": 457.08, "text": " So pretty much that's everything that a modern user interface does." }, { "start": 457.08, "end": 458.6, "text": " Can you walk us through the UI a little bit?" }, { "start": 458.6, "end": 461.4, "text": " Just hold it up and show us some of the gestures in action." }, { "start": 461.4, "end": 462.4, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 462.4, "end": 463.4, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 463.4, "end": 466, "text": " So the camera is up right now." }, { "start": 466, "end": 467, "text": " Maybe try to take a photo." }, { "start": 467, "end": 468, "text": " Vlad Savov taking a photo of himself." }, { "start": 468, "end": 469, "text": " Oh god, I just flashed him in the face." }, { "start": 469, "end": 470, "text": " Live on the verge everyone." }, { "start": 470, "end": 471, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 471, "end": 474, "text": " Yes, and there's the result." }, { "start": 474, "end": 475, "text": " It's my face." }, { "start": 475, "end": 482.2, "text": " Okay, so I'm going to try and leave this by swiping up from the bottom." }, { "start": 482.2, "end": 483.2, "text": " And I've succeeded." }, { "start": 483.2, "end": 486.24, "text": " And this is the multitasking menu." }, { "start": 486.24, "end": 487.24, "text": " There's all your apps." }, { "start": 487.24, "end": 494.56, "text": " You've got three home screens of apps, multitasking menu, then you've got the hub, notifications," }, { "start": 494.56, "end": 496.84, "text": " yada yada yada." }, { "start": 496.84, "end": 501.71999999999997, "text": " And there's some other stuff which I'm yet to understand, like you've got this stuff" }, { "start": 501.71999999999997, "end": 506.23999999999995, "text": " popping up on the right, but you can't access it." }, { "start": 506.23999999999995, "end": 509.88, "text": " So I'm going to need to spend some time and work on this." }, { "start": 509.88, "end": 515, "text": " The multitasking menu is kind of like the iPhones insofar as it sucks because you have" }, { "start": 515, "end": 517.6, "text": " to shut down every single app individually." }, { "start": 517.6, "end": 518.6, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 518.6, "end": 521.76, "text": " And it's a pain and there's no close-all." }, { "start": 521.76, "end": 525.76, "text": " One other thing I wanted to mention here is Rumi's coming out with a really strong lineup" }, { "start": 525.76, "end": 529.28, "text": " of apps, 70,000 apps, and they seem to have all of the big ones." }, { "start": 529.28, "end": 532.08, "text": " And I was really excited to find a YouTube app." }, { "start": 532.08, "end": 533.08, "text": " I kick into it." }, { "start": 533.08, "end": 535.12, "text": " I go into it." }, { "start": 535.12, "end": 537.12, "text": " And then it turns out it's m.youtube.com." }, { "start": 537.12, "end": 540.68, "text": " Oh, that's such a wrapper." }, { "start": 540.68, "end": 541.76, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 541.76, "end": 546.24, "text": " So strong app lineup, but then Rumi's doing the same thing that Microsoft is kind of doing" }, { "start": 546.24, "end": 547.48, "text": " with Windows Phone today." }, { "start": 547.48, "end": 552.6, "text": " Like, we'll send you to the mobile YouTube app, which sucks." }, { "start": 552.6, "end": 556.88, "text": " But the final thing I want to also say is that the UK is getting this phone, BlackBerry" }, { "start": 556.88, "end": 562.8000000000001, "text": " Z10 tomorrow in white and in black, which is great." }, { "start": 562.8000000000001, "end": 567.08, "text": " I've always said, you know, if Rumi wants to make a splash, it needs to launch immediately." }, { "start": 567.08, "end": 571.0400000000001, "text": " It's not great for the US because you guys are going to get it all the way in March," }, { "start": 571.0400000000001, "end": 574.16, "text": " but at least the UK and I think 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"text": " point or whatever." }, { "start": 633.52, "end": 636.16, "text": " So I think it will do well." }, { "start": 636.16, "end": 640.8, "text": " But then a lot of people have also said, can RIM sustain that momentum after the first" }, { "start": 640.8, "end": 643.04, "text": " few months, after the initial assignment?" }, { "start": 643.04, "end": 645.3199999999999, "text": " And that might be the real question." }, { "start": 645.3199999999999, "end": 646.3199999999999, "text": " Well, we'll see." }, { "start": 646.3199999999999, "end": 647.3199999999999, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 647.3199999999999, "end": 649.64, "text": " Well, thank you so much, Vlad, for calling us straight from the event." }, { "start": 649.64, "end": 651.68, "text": " I know you're super excited." }, { "start": 651.68, "end": 652.68, "text": " You're getting one, right?" }, { "start": 652.68, "end": 654.9, "text": " They're giving as each one to everyone there." }, { "start": 654.9, "end": 658.88, "text": " So go collect your ill-gotten property." }, { "start": 658.88, "end": 662.84, "text": " And you know, you just swipe away, buddy." }, { "start": 662.84, "end": 664.32, "text": " You just do whatever you need to do." }, { "start": 664.32, "end": 665.32, "text": " I will, guys." }, { "start": 665.32, "end": 666.32, "text": " I will." }, { "start": 666.32, "end": 667.32, "text": " Thanks, Vlad." }, { "start": 667.32, "end": 668.32, "text": " Later." }, { "start": 668.32, "end": 671.52, "text": " So I think that's actually a really important point that Vlad made, which is there is an" }, { "start": 671.52, "end": 672.84, "text": " initial burst of excitement." }, { "start": 672.84, "end": 676.76, "text": " I think some people will buy the phone, but I think there was that initial burst of excitement" }, { "start": 676.76, "end": 682.32, "text": " for Windows Phone as well." }, { "start": 682.32, "end": 685.76, "text": " I think there was always an initial burst of 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"end": 807.2, "text": " That's fine." }, { "start": 807.2, "end": 810.6400000000001, "text": " But so I think they- 70,000 is a big number." }, { "start": 810.6400000000001, "end": 813.6800000000001, "text": " They said the number a bunch of times and they were like, it's the most anyone's ever" }, { "start": 813.6800000000001, "end": 814.6800000000001, "text": " had at launch." }, { "start": 814.6800000000001, "end": 816.12, "text": " And they were really excited about that." }, { "start": 816.12, "end": 818.08, "text": " And that's good." }, { "start": 818.08, "end": 819.72, "text": " And I'm glad they have lots of apps." }, { "start": 819.72, "end": 824.2, "text": " But I feel like most people are going to go in and download YouTube and it's going to" }, { "start": 824.2, "end": 827.8800000000001, "text": " be a terrible experience because it's just a wrapper for the mobile app and not a very" }, { "start": 827.8800000000001, "end": 828.8800000000001, "text": " good one." }, { "start": 828.88, "end": 831.32, "text": " They're going to download an Android app and be like, why does this look completely different?" }, { "start": 831.32, "end": 834.24, "text": " See, I don't think they're going to be like, why does this look completely different?" }, { "start": 834.24, "end": 836.08, "text": " I think the more important- I think it's fine." }, { "start": 836.08, "end": 837.6, "text": " Apps on the iPhone, they all look different." }, { "start": 837.6, "end": 838.6, "text": " Apps on Android, they all look different." }, { "start": 838.6, "end": 840.32, "text": " But it's like the settings menu is different." }, { "start": 840.32, "end": 841.32, "text": " The settings are different." }, { "start": 841.32, "end": 842.32, "text": " They're going to work differently." }, { "start": 842.32, "end": 843.32, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 843.32, "end": 844.32, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 844.32, "end": 849.08, "text": " I think Josh was showing me the text selection, just selecting text in a native Blackberry" }, { "start": 849.08, "end": 854.8, "text": " app versus the Android 2.3 text selector in one of the ported Android apps is- they're" }, { "start": 854.8, "end": 857.16, "text": " wildly different experiences." }, { "start": 857.16, "end": 861.8199999999999, "text": " And that's just an inconsistency." }, { "start": 861.8199999999999, "end": 863.48, "text": " But I disagree with you." }, { "start": 863.48, "end": 866.16, "text": " I think putting the Android apps on there was a good idea." }, { "start": 866.16, "end": 867.16, "text": " Why?" }, { "start": 867.16, "end": 871.56, "text": " Because literally what they said when they announced it, we're going to get the tonnage" }, { "start": 871.56, "end": 872.56, "text": " of apps." }, { "start": 872.56, "end": 873.88, "text": " They can launch with a bunch of apps." }, { "start": 873.88, "end": 877.04, "text": " They can say to people, look, there's a Facebook app." }, { "start": 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you that, oh, I like this." }, { "start": 1072.52, "end": 1073.88, "text": " Well, they have a Super Bowl ad campaign coming out." }, { "start": 1073.88, "end": 1074.88, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1074.88, "end": 1076.48, "text": " And I loved my BlackBerry." }, { "start": 1076.48, "end": 1081.16, "text": " I had one years ago now and loved it and got rid of it because it couldn't do any of the" }, { "start": 1081.16, "end": 1082.68, "text": " things I wound up needing to do." }, { "start": 1082.68, "end": 1084.96, "text": " But it had a really good keyboard and got my email." }, { "start": 1084.96, "end": 1087.68, "text": " And they're just relying on that, it seems like." }, { "start": 1087.68, "end": 1093.56, "text": " I don't know what else they have other than relative competitiveness." }, { "start": 1093.56, "end": 1095.6, "text": " Is BBM really still a thing?" }, { "start": 1095.6, "end": 1096.6, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 1096.6, "end": 1097.6, "text": " But 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wanted to do this." }, { "start": 1119.04, "end": 1120.04, "text": " Yeah, no, absolutely." }, { "start": 1120.04, "end": 1121.04, "text": " Why do you want to share your phone screen?" }, { "start": 1121.04, "end": 1122.3200000000002, "text": " So we keep talking about Josh in this review." }, { "start": 1122.3200000000002, "end": 1124.28, "text": " So we should just run the review video." }, { "start": 1124.28, "end": 1125.28, "text": " So we're going to run the whole thing." }, { "start": 1125.28, "end": 1127.24, "text": " It's like seven minutes long, eight minutes long." }, { "start": 1127.24, "end": 1129.72, "text": " But it's a complete overview of BlackBerry 10." }, { "start": 1129.72, "end": 1130.72, "text": " It's our review." }, { "start": 1130.72, "end": 1131.72, "text": " So check it out." }, { "start": 1131.72, "end": 1133, "text": " Hey, this is Josh with The Verge." }, { "start": 1133, "end": 1138.96, "text": " And we're taking a look at the BlackBerry Z10, the first ever BlackBerry 10 device." }, { "start": 1138.96, "end": 1143.68, "text": " The phone might look a little bit familiar because it shares a lot with the iPhone 5" }, { "start": 1143.68, "end": 1145.68, "text": " in terms of design language." }, { "start": 1145.68, "end": 1148.92, "text": " Though the Z10 is a bit larger." }, { "start": 1148.92, "end": 1151, "text": " It's got a 4.2 inch display." }, { "start": 1151, "end": 1152.68, "text": " It feels good in your hand." }, { "start": 1152.68, "end": 1157.88, "text": " The back is made from a soft touch, kind of rubbery dimpled material, which is really" }, { "start": 1157.88, "end": 1158.88, "text": " nice to hold." }, { "start": 1158.88, "end": 1164.1200000000001, "text": " As I said, it's got a 4.2 inch display and the resolution is 1280 by 768." }, { "start": 1164.1200000000001, "end": 1166.0800000000002, "text": " And it looks quite nice." }, { "start": 1166.0800000000002, "end": 1171.8000000000002, "text": " Inside there's a 1.5 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On the app front, RIM has done a pretty good job with its first party offerings." }, { "start": 1372.02, "end": 1376.48, "text": " The browser is very good and certainly as capable as any other modern mobile browser" }, { "start": 1376.48, "end": 1377.9, "text": " that's out there." }, { "start": 1377.9, "end": 1382.74, "text": " The email experience, which RIM of course has been known for historically, is good even" }, { "start": 1382.74, "end": 1383.8799999999999, "text": " with my Gmail accounts." }, { "start": 1383.8799999999999, "end": 1385.56, "text": " But I would not say great." }, { "start": 1385.56, "end": 1388.36, "text": " Multiple message management proved to be a little bit tricky in particular." }, { "start": 1388.36, "end": 1392.96, "text": " You have to long press on a message, then select another item from a popover menu, and" }, { "start": 1392.96, "end": 1397.74, "text": " then start selecting your messages, and then tap on the trash to get rid of those messages." 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"end": 1464.96, "text": " update in the background, and when you pull to refresh, it takes you from wherever you" }, { "start": 1464.96, "end": 1468.72, "text": " were the last time you checked the app to the top of your timeline." }, { "start": 1468.72, "end": 1474.32, "text": " RIM has improved BBM for BlackBerry 10, adding some really interesting functions like BBM" }, { "start": 1474.32, "end": 1478.88, "text": " video calls, which worked well most of the time when I was testing the device, and a" }, { "start": 1478.88, "end": 1483.04, "text": " novel function which allows you to share the screen of your phone with somebody else over" }, { "start": 1483.04, "end": 1484.4, "text": " BBM video." }, { "start": 1484.4, "end": 1488.84, "text": " RIM claims that BlackBerry 10 will launch with about 70,000 third-party apps in its" }, { "start": 1488.84, "end": 1495.24, "text": " BlackBerry World app store, and that may be true, but it kind of feels like 69,000 of" }, { "start": 1495.24, "end": 1496.8, "text": " those apps are bad." }, { "start": 1496.8, "end": 1501.1399999999999, "text": " A lot of them are rehashed playbook titles, and some of the ones that I tested which are" }, { "start": 1501.1399999999999, "end": 1505, "text": " made for BlackBerry 10 just didn't really seem up to snuff." }, { "start": 1505, "end": 1509.6599999999999, "text": " It is clear, however, that making great apps for BlackBerry 10 is possible." }, { "start": 1509.6599999999999, "end": 1514.2, "text": " The USA Today app, for instance, is very good, as are a handful of the games." }, { "start": 1514.2, "end": 1518.96, "text": " Angry Birds Star Wars, for instance, plays as good, if not better, than it does on other" }, { "start": 1518.96, "end": 1520.12, "text": " platforms." }, { "start": 1520.12, "end": 1525.94, "text": " And RIM says there's a lot more coming, including some fairly significant app contributions" }, { "start": 1525.94, "end": 1529.4, "text": " from EA Games as well as 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"text": " The bottom line is that it's a good phone, but it's lacking a killer app or killer piece" }, { "start": 1594.48, "end": 1600.44, "text": " of functionality that's going to sway most buyers from Android, iOS, or Windows Phone." }, { "start": 1600.44, "end": 1602.24, "text": " We're back." }, { "start": 1602.24, "end": 1604.1200000000001, "text": " So that was our review." }, { "start": 1604.1200000000001, "end": 1609.96, "text": " That was a review video that Josh did, I think, last night, late last night." }, { "start": 1609.96, "end": 1611.28, "text": " So we gave the phone a seven." }, { "start": 1611.28, "end": 1613.48, "text": " You want to kind of talk about that score and how you guys got there?" }, { "start": 1613.48, "end": 1618.88, "text": " I mean, basically, the story is that it's a good phone." }, { "start": 1618.88, "end": 1624.2, "text": " It does everything you need it to do, and it does all of those things well." }, { "start": 1624.2, "end": 1627.44, "text": " It's smooth and intuitive, and I've spent less time with it than Josh." }, { "start": 1627.44, "end": 1631.18, "text": " But I was really impressed with just the basic navigation of the phone is really easy." }, { "start": 1631.18, "end": 1635.76, "text": " It's great for phone calls, which I guess people still do from time to time." }, { "start": 1635.76, "end": 1639.84, "text": " And it's still a really good email device that's still the thing BlackBerry does as" }, { "start": 1639.84, "end": 1640.84, "text": " well or better than anybody." }, { "start": 1640.84, "end": 1641.84, "text": " Well, so I disagree." }, { "start": 1641.84, "end": 1644, "text": " So I got a lot of emails from Josh while he was..." }, { "start": 1644, "end": 1649, "text": " He had the phone for a while, and I got a lot of emails from him while he had the phone." }, { "start": 1649, "end": 1653.96, "text": " And I could always tell when he was sending me an email from the BlackBerry Z10 because" }, { "start": 1653.96, "end": 1656.16, "text": " it would break all of my Gmail threading." }, { "start": 1656.16, "end": 1657.16, "text": " It was in blue." }, { "start": 1657.16, "end": 1659.46, "text": " It was formatted with, like..." }, { "start": 1659.46, "end": 1662.76, "text": " You know how when you get an email that's a part of a long thread, it hides?" }, { "start": 1662.76, "end": 1664.52, "text": " It would break all that." }, { "start": 1664.52, "end": 1667.36, "text": " These emails are three times longer than everybody else's." }, { "start": 1667.36, "end": 1668.36, "text": " So like..." }, { "start": 1668.36, "end": 1672.12, "text": " And this is something I've noticed with Windows Phone too, which I think is funny that these" }, { "start": 1672.12, "end": 1676.82, "text": " two companies that are classically known for messaging and messaging devices have not figured" }, { "start": 1676.82, "end": 1678.24, "text": " out modern email." }, { "start": 1678.24, "end": 1683.84, "text": " So I gather the email experience while using the BlackBerry Z10 is great, but everyone" }, { "start": 1683.84, "end": 1685.96, "text": " will know that you're using the BlackBerry Z10." }, { "start": 1685.96, "end": 1686.96, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1686.96, "end": 1687.96, "text": " No, that's fair." }, { "start": 1687.96, "end": 1688.96, "text": " And yeah, and they have..." }, { "start": 1688.96, "end": 1689.96, "text": " Windows Phone 8 is the worst." }, { "start": 1689.96, "end": 1693.44, "text": " And every time somebody is using it, I get the re-forward, forward." }, { "start": 1693.44, "end": 1694.8400000000001, "text": " I'm like..." }, { "start": 1694.8400000000001, "end": 1701, "text": " But no, I mean, I think the Gmail experience is sort of bad everywhere." }, { "start": 1701, "end": 1702.8, "text": " But the email experience is good on the phone." }, { "start": 1702.8, "end": 1706.6200000000001, "text": " And I think they're banking on you using your internal exchange server at work, in which" }, { "start": 1706.6200000000001, "end": 1709.44, "text": " case it won't be as much of an issue." }, { "start": 1709.44, "end": 1710.44, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1710.44, "end": 1711.44, "text": " So we've got some questions here." }, { "start": 1711.44, "end": 1713.3200000000002, "text": " Well, there's a few things to talk about." }, { "start": 1713.3200000000002, "end": 1714.56, "text": " That was actually one of our questions." }, { "start": 1714.56, "end": 1716.8, "text": " Actually, before we get to questions, we should..." }, { "start": 1716.8, "end": 1719.92, "text": " The other phone they announced today, which we didn't review because it's not out yet." }, { "start": 1719.92, "end": 1724.96, "text": " The Q10, we at the event just got to spend some time with it, and we have a video from" }, { "start": 1724.96, "end": 1725.96, "text": " that." }, { "start": 1725.96, "end": 1726.96, "text": " So let's run that before we keep going." }, { "start": 1726.96, "end": 1730.72, "text": " Hey, this is Ross Moore with The Verge." }, { "start": 1730.72, "end": 1733.3600000000001, "text": " We are in New York City at the BlackBerry 10 launch event." }, { "start": 1733.3600000000001, "end": 1736.92, "text": " The company today announced two devices, the BlackBerry Z10 and the BlackBerry Q10 with" }, { "start": 1736.92, "end": 1738.0800000000002, "text": " the physical keyboard." }, { "start": 1738.0800000000002, "end": 1739.0800000000002, "text": " Let's check out the Q10." }, { "start": 1739.0800000000002, "end": 1742.28, "text": " Unfortunately, we cannot touch it, interact with it." }, { "start": 1742.28, "end": 1745.3600000000001, "text": " They're making this a very controlled demo." }, { "start": 1745.3600000000001, "end": 1749.3600000000001, "text": " But we can actually put our fingers on the keys, and it feels very much like the traditional" }, { "start": 1749.36, "end": 1750.36, "text": " BlackBerry keyboard." }, { "start": 1750.36, "end": 1753.8, "text": " We've got a 720 by 720 square display." }, { "start": 1753.8, "end": 1757.28, "text": " We're told that all the apps will be optimized for the screen, but unfortunately, we can't" }, { "start": 1757.28, "end": 1760.4399999999998, "text": " see those right now in this tightly controlled demo." }, { "start": 1760.4399999999998, "end": 1763.3999999999999, "text": " Thickness and width, it actually is pretty close to the iPhone 5." }, { "start": 1763.3999999999999, "end": 1764.6399999999999, "text": " It's a little bit thicker." }, { "start": 1764.6399999999999, "end": 1768.24, "text": " Obviously, it's also got a physical keyboard." }, { "start": 1768.24, "end": 1770.24, "text": " No word on pricing or details." }, { "start": 1770.24, "end": 1771.52, "text": " There's little knowledge to say here." }, { "start": 1771.52, "end": 1774.1599999999999, "text": " It's a BlackBerry with a square screen and a physical keyboard." }, { "start": 1774.1599999999999, "end": 1777.1599999999999, "text": " It's a traditional BlackBerry you've come to know and love." }, { "start": 1777.16, "end": 1781.2, "text": " And it's here with the BlackBerry X." }, { "start": 1781.2, "end": 1785.48, "text": " First of all, I'm never ever going to forget just seeing Ross just stroke the keys from" }, { "start": 1785.48, "end": 1786.48, "text": " far away." }, { "start": 1786.48, "end": 1787.48, "text": " That was a tremendous hands-on from Ross." }, { "start": 1787.48, "end": 1788.48, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1788.48, "end": 1789.48, "text": " Well, I mean, that's the thing." }, { "start": 1789.48, "end": 1792.48, "text": " So there's a lot of questions with the Q10, right?" }, { "start": 1792.48, "end": 1795.48, "text": " It has a totally different aspect ratio of its screen." }, { "start": 1795.48, "end": 1800, "text": " And they've got all these Android apps, which theoretically can handle themselves in different" }, { "start": 1800, "end": 1801, "text": " size screen." }, { "start": 1801, "end": 1804.16, "text": " That's a part of the Android promise." }, { "start": 1804.16, "end": 1808.28, "text": " But every Android device I've ever seen with a square screen has been a disaster." }, { "start": 1808.28, "end": 1809.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1809.28, "end": 1812.8000000000002, "text": " But I feel like if they can pull that stuff off, especially with the native apps, I'm" }, { "start": 1812.8000000000002, "end": 1815.4, "text": " curious how they'll do it for the different aspect ratios." }, { "start": 1815.4, "end": 1819.3400000000001, "text": " But if they can pull that off, I feel like the Q10 is a way more interesting phone than" }, { "start": 1819.3400000000001, "end": 1820.88, "text": " the Z10, at least to me." }, { "start": 1820.88, "end": 1821.88, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 1821.88, "end": 1826.44, "text": " Because in the way that the Z10 is just a good phone without any particular killer app," }, { "start": 1826.44, "end": 1828.88, "text": " the killer app is the keyboard on the Q10." }, { "start": 1828.88, "end": 1832, "text": " That's why people have bought BlackBerrys for the last seven years." }, { "start": 1832, "end": 1834.28, "text": " That's the only reason." }, { "start": 1834.28, "end": 1839.76, "text": " And if they can do that with this kind of modern interface and high-end or at least" }, { "start": 1839.76, "end": 1845.16, "text": " competitive specs and the new apps, then it suddenly becomes a phone that you're not making" }, { "start": 1845.16, "end": 1847.4, "text": " compromises to get this great keyboard." }, { "start": 1847.4, "end": 1850.12, "text": " It's actually a good phone with a really good keyboard." }, { "start": 1850.12, "end": 1852, "text": " And that becomes super compelling." }, { "start": 1852, "end": 1854.4, "text": " Well, that really raises the question." }, { "start": 1854.4, "end": 1856.12, "text": " I think RIM disagrees with you." }, { "start": 1856.12, "end": 1857.12, "text": " I think so, too." }, { "start": 1857.12, "end": 1859.38, "text": " If that was the case, then the..." }, { "start": 1859.38, "end": 1864.0800000000002, "text": " So in the UK, the Z10 is launching now, tomorrow, in Canada." }, { "start": 1864.0800000000002, "end": 1867.92, "text": " Any place with the Queen on their money, you're getting the Z10 tomorrow." }, { "start": 1867.92, "end": 1868.92, "text": " Not any place, just those two places." }, { "start": 1868.92, "end": 1870.68, "text": " I really hope that was the rule they actually made." }, { "start": 1870.68, "end": 1873.48, "text": " They're like, if the Queen is on the money, we launch the very first." }, { "start": 1873.48, "end": 1874.48, "text": " Well, they're Canadians." }, { "start": 1874.48, "end": 1875.48, "text": " That's true." }, { "start": 1875.48, "end": 1876.48, "text": " For the Commonwealth." }, { "start": 1876.48, "end": 1877.48, "text": " The loonies." }, { "start": 1877.48, "end": 1878.48, "text": " Just throwing phones in the air." }, { "start": 1878.48, "end": 1884.96, "text": " No, so the Z10 in the UK and Canada tomorrow, and then the Q10 is not even at the UK launch" }, { "start": 1884.96, "end": 1885.96, "text": " event." }, { "start": 1885.96, "end": 1887.6000000000001, "text": " Yeah, and they won't let us touch it." }, { "start": 1887.6000000000001, "end": 1888.6000000000001, "text": " It's bizarre." }, { "start": 1888.6, "end": 1894.3999999999999, "text": " But here in the States, it's the Z10 in March, and then the Q10 sometime in April, sometime" }, { "start": 1894.3999999999999, "end": 1895.3999999999999, "text": " afterwards." }, { "start": 1895.3999999999999, "end": 1896.3999999999999, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1896.3999999999999, "end": 1897.3999999999999, "text": " And we still don't really know pricing." }, { "start": 1897.3999999999999, "end": 1898.3999999999999, "text": " We don't know carriers." }, { "start": 1898.3999999999999, "end": 1899.3999999999999, "text": " It's still kind of in the dark." }, { "start": 1899.3999999999999, "end": 1900.3999999999999, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1900.3999999999999, "end": 1902.8799999999999, "text": " And I'm telling you, there's two reasons for that." }, { "start": 1902.8799999999999, "end": 1906.6, "text": " One, RIM, I think they want to emphasize they've made a device compatible with the iPhone." }, { "start": 1906.6, "end": 1908.08, "text": " Their device looks like the iPhone." }, { "start": 1908.08, "end": 1909.08, "text": " There it is." }, { "start": 1909.08, "end": 1913.48, "text": " So I think they want to emphasize they've taken a step into what everybody else has" }, { "start": 1913.48, "end": 1914.48, "text": " considered to be the future." }, { "start": 1914.48, "end": 1920.68, "text": " And I think the second piece is that the carriers themselves are not leaping to the Q10." }, { "start": 1920.68, "end": 1923.3600000000001, "text": 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The bulge are great, but I think that one is small and perfect." }, { "start": 1975.72, "end": 1977.64, "text": " And it's way bigger than that thing." }, { "start": 1977.64, "end": 1979, "text": " At least as far as I can tell." }, { "start": 1979, "end": 1980, "text": " It seems to be." }, { "start": 1980, "end": 1986.64, "text": " That's like, they've got to recapture sort of that feel of you've got this tiny, powerful" }, { "start": 1986.64, "end": 1989.52, "text": " computer with a keyboard." }, { "start": 1989.52, "end": 1994.8400000000001, "text": " But it seems they have to, selling that to America and the world again is a bigger challenge" }, { "start": 1994.8400000000001, "end": 1999.68, "text": " than we made a full touch screen phone that happens to have a really good keyboard." }, { "start": 1999.68, "end": 2000.68, "text": " So we should talk about that." }, { "start": 2000.68, "end": 2004.1200000000001, "text": " Josh was talking about it in his review." }, { "start": 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}, { "start": 2076.12, "end": 2078, "text": " type and what you say." }, { "start": 2078, "end": 2079.8199999999997, "text": " And so automatically has all this information about you." }, { "start": 2079.8199999999997, "end": 2084.08, "text": " And then over time starts to guess and it'll actually present what it thinks you're going" }, { "start": 2084.08, "end": 2086.06, "text": " to say next above the keys." }, { "start": 2086.06, "end": 2087.3999999999996, "text": " We saw a little bit of that in the review." }, { "start": 2087.4, "end": 2089.2400000000002, "text": " And you can just flick it up and for one." }, { "start": 2089.2400000000002, "end": 2090.64, "text": " So that's the part I found confusing." }, { "start": 2090.64, "end": 2091.64, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2091.64, "end": 2095.2000000000003, "text": " Because I'm used to on the various Android keyboards that I use to tapping above the" }, { "start": 2095.2000000000003, "end": 2096.2000000000003, "text": " key." }, 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business." }, { "start": 2130.5600000000004, "end": 2131.5600000000004, "text": " Totally." }, { "start": 2131.5600000000004, "end": 2132.5600000000004, "text": " Business 2002." }, { "start": 2132.5600000000004, "end": 2133.5600000000004, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2133.5600000000004, "end": 2134.5600000000004, "text": " It's like on the cover of GQ is a whole thing." }, { "start": 2134.5600000000004, "end": 2135.5600000000004, "text": " It's my new novel." }, { "start": 2135.5600000000004, "end": 2136.5600000000004, "text": " Business 2002." }, { "start": 2136.5600000000004, "end": 2141.1200000000003, "text": " But so I think that in the, they're using SwiftKey tech to do a lot of this prediction" }, { "start": 2141.1200000000003, "end": 2145.4, "text": " stuff and SwiftKey does a lot of the same stuff for Android and works really well." }, { "start": 2145.4, "end": 2149.2000000000003, "text": " Like, especially with the predictive stuff is kind of remarkable once you take the time" }, { "start": 2149.2000000000003, "end": 2151.56, "text": " to actually, you know, get way into it." }, { "start": 2151.56, "end": 2154.6, "text": " My problem is I always switch around too much before I can really dive into one." }, { "start": 2154.6, "end": 2156.76, "text": " But with this, you don't have a choice." }, { "start": 2156.76, "end": 2160.36, "text": " And both from what Josh said and in my own sort of limited experience, it definitely" }, { "start": 2160.36, "end": 2163.2000000000003, "text": " seems to be it gets better as you use it more." }, { "start": 2163.2000000000003, "end": 2164.2000000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2164.2000000000003, "end": 2165.2000000000003, "text": " Which is pretty cool." }, { "start": 2165.2000000000003, "end": 2167.1, "text": " I think that's actually the whole interface." }, { "start": 2167.1, "end": 2170.7200000000003, "text": " That seems to be the theme with blackberry tech, right?" }, { "start": 2170.7200000000003, 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so." }, { "start": 2194.2799999999997, "end": 2195.2799999999997, "text": " That's where everything goes." }, { "start": 2195.2799999999997, "end": 2201.06, "text": " And I think it's, what's interesting about that is we've now come with this progression" }, { "start": 2201.06, "end": 2206.68, "text": " of when the iPhone first came out, it had no centralized ambient information place." }, { "start": 2206.68, "end": 2207.68, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2207.68, "end": 2208.68, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2208.68, "end": 2210.16, "text": " It had no notifications and no notification center." }, { "start": 2210.16, "end": 2213.7999999999997, "text": " And then they eventually built up to whatever thing that they have now." }, { "start": 2213.7999999999997, "end": 2214.7999999999997, "text": " Which is still not very good." }, { "start": 2214.7999999999997, "end": 2215.7999999999997, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2215.7999999999997, "end": 2216.7999999999997, "text": " Which is OK." }, { "start": 2216.7999999999997, "end": 2221.36, "text": " But you can tell that that is the core experience of using an iPhone for me is very much about" }, { "start": 2221.36, "end": 2222.36, "text": " notification center." }, { "start": 2222.36, "end": 2223.36, "text": " Totally." }, { "start": 2223.36, "end": 2224.36, "text": " I see what's going on." }, { "start": 2224.36, "end": 2227.2799999999997, "text": " I think with Android, the core experience of using Android is defined by how good the" }, { "start": 2227.2799999999997, "end": 2228.2799999999997, "text": " notifications are." }, { "start": 2228.2799999999997, "end": 2229.2799999999997, "text": " Yeah, I agree." }, { "start": 2229.2799999999997, "end": 2231, "text": " I think that's the killer app of Android in general." }, { "start": 2231, "end": 2233.28, "text": " And so there's been that progression." }, { "start": 2233.28, "end": 2239.4, "text": " And now with BlackBerry 10, you see they've literally taken 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"text": " messages and all this stuff just in one place." }, { "start": 2294.08, "end": 2298.04, "text": " Whereas in iOS, I'm constantly flipping between 11 different apps to see what's coming at" }, { "start": 2298.04, "end": 2299.04, "text": " any given time." }, { "start": 2299.04, "end": 2303.4, "text": " But the problem here is that I feel like the idea is really good and they missed some stuff" }, { "start": 2303.4, "end": 2304.4, "text": " on the execution." }, { "start": 2304.4, "end": 2310.28, "text": " So when you get, say, an email, and if I'm reading a text message and then I leave the" }, { "start": 2310.28, "end": 2313.6400000000003, "text": " hub and I get an email, I flick back into the hub." }, { "start": 2313.64, "end": 2318.3199999999997, "text": " And since they're not abstracted, the notification's not a link to a thing, it just is the thing" }, { "start": 2318.3199999999997, "end": 2321.3199999999997, "text": " and it tells you you have a new thing." }, { 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"text": " in." }, { "start": 2348.8, "end": 2349.8, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2349.8, "end": 2350.8, "text": " Which just seems crazy." }, { "start": 2350.8, "end": 2355.04, "text": " And also, I get a lot of notifications that I kind of like don't need to see." }, { "start": 2355.04, "end": 2358.44, "text": " So I have an app on my iPhone that tells me when it's going to rain." }, { "start": 2358.44, "end": 2359.44, "text": " It's called Dark Sky." }, { "start": 2359.44, "end": 2360.44, "text": " It's a good app." }, { "start": 2360.44, "end": 2361.44, "text": " It's a great app." }, { "start": 2361.44, "end": 2362.44, "text": " Dark Sky's great." }, { "start": 2362.44, "end": 2363.44, "text": " And literally the notification is it's raining." }, { "start": 2363.44, "end": 2364.44, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2364.44, "end": 2365.44, "text": " And then I clear it and it goes away." }, { "start": 2365.44, "end": 2366.44, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2366.44, "end": 2370, "text": " And so I'm wondering how those kinds of apps are going to function with the hub because" }, { "start": 2370, "end": 2373.32, "text": " the hub wants you to interact with notifications basically." }, { "start": 2373.32, "end": 2374.32, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2374.32, "end": 2378.12, "text": " Which is, Blackberry's very, now they're called Blackberry." }, { "start": 2378.12, "end": 2379.12, "text": " I'm never going to get this right." }, { "start": 2379.12, "end": 2380.12, "text": " I'm with you." }, { "start": 2380.12, "end": 2383.84, "text": " So for years it's like you correct yourself when you say Blackberry instead of RIM and" }, { "start": 2383.84, "end": 2386.4, "text": " now you have to correct yourself the other way." }, { "start": 2386.4, "end": 2388.72, "text": " Anyway, Blackberry's all about the inbox." }, { "start": 2388.72, "end": 2390.44, "text": " It always has been." }, { "start": 2390.44, "end": 2394.16, "text": " And they've made everything fit 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get a couple of app replies every once in a while." }, { "start": 2415.6000000000004, "end": 2420.1400000000003, "text": " But when you're using it more as a communication tool and stuff's always coming in and going" }, { "start": 2420.1400000000003, "end": 2426.2000000000003, "text": " out it becomes either super stressful to use almost or just kind of untenable because there's" }, { "start": 2426.2, "end": 2430.16, "text": " just a million notifications and you have to read every individual one to clear it and" }, { "start": 2430.16, "end": 2432.2, "text": " you can't just kind of jump in whenever you feel like it." }, { "start": 2432.2, "end": 2433.2, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2433.2, "end": 2435.16, "text": " I mean I think that's, again, it's a very..." }, { "start": 2435.16, "end": 2436.16, "text": " It's an inbox metaphor." }, { "start": 2436.16, "end": 2443.3199999999997, "text": " It's an inbox metaphor and it's a very daring metaphor to take the entire concepts of notifications" }, { "start": 2443.3199999999997, "end": 2448.2, "text": " and to take the very strong Blackberry concept of inbox and just mash them together I think" }, { "start": 2448.2, "end": 2449.7599999999998, "text": " is very interesting." }, { "start": 2449.7599999999998, "end": 2455.2799999999997, "text": " But how it plays out for all the various kinds of apps that we now count on to deliver notifications" }, { "start": 2455.28, "end": 2457.0400000000004, "text": " is up in the air." }, { "start": 2457.0400000000004, "end": 2461.6000000000004, "text": " So actually speaking of Twitter, I asked for questions on Twitter and I've got a lot of" }, { "start": 2461.6000000000004, "end": 2463.0600000000004, "text": " them." }, { "start": 2463.0600000000004, "end": 2464.0600000000004, "text": " So here's one I think is really interesting." }, { "start": 2464.0600000000004, "end": 2466.6000000000004, "text": " I want to ask you this because you were a Blackberry user, right?" }, { "start": 2466.6000000000004, "end": 2467.6000000000004, "text": " For a while, yeah." }, { "start": 2467.6000000000004, "end": 2470.88, "text": " So this is JohnLiu1984." }, { "start": 2470.88, "end": 2474.0800000000004, "text": " Does it still feel like a Blackberry, whatever that means?" }, { "start": 2474.0800000000004, "end": 2477.1600000000003, "text": " So I actually..." }, { "start": 2477.1600000000003, "end": 2481.6400000000003, "text": " The hardest part for me was that the feeling of the Blackberry was always the trackball" }, { "start": 2481.6400000000003, "end": 2484.36, "text": " and then the optical trackpad and it was like that was how you moved around." }, { "start": 2484.36, "end": 2489.32, "text": " And I feel like touch in general just kind of makes it stop feeling like what I associate" }, { "start": 2489.32, "end": 2490.32, "text": " with a Blackberry." }, { "start": 2490.32, "end": 2491.32, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 2491.32, "end": 2492.32, "text": " That's interesting." }, { "start": 2492.32, "end": 2493.84, "text": " But I think that's also kind of to their credit." }, { "start": 2493.84, "end": 2499.36, "text": " I mean in the same sense that you're always jumping back to your inbox and it's all about" }, { "start": 2499.36, "end": 2503.1200000000003, "text": " the communication tool and it's very much a messaging phone and the keyboard is really" }, { "start": 2503.1200000000003, "end": 2504.1200000000003, "text": " paid attention to." }, { "start": 2504.1200000000003, "end": 2509.92, "text": " And I think it still feels like a Blackberry in that sense but it also feels more..." }, { "start": 2509.92, "end": 2510.92, "text": " It feels more modern." }, { "start": 2510.92, "end": 2514.96, "text": " I'm going to say it flows and then I'm going to cry about that." }, { "start": 2514.96, "end": 2516.2400000000002, "text": " But it flows better." }, { "start": 2516.2400000000002, "end": 2518.2400000000002, "text": " It makes more sense than..." }, { "start": 2518.2400000000002, "end": 2520.12, "text": " You know I was constantly..." }, { "start": 2520.12, "end": 2524.3, "text": " You're always digging into menus on old Blackberries and you were always pressing the little Blackberry" }, { "start": 2524.3, "end": 2526.52, "text": " button to try and figure out where you should go next." }, { "start": 2526.52, "end": 2528.2400000000002, "text": " And this feels much more intuitive." }, { "start": 2528.2400000000002, "end": 2531.2000000000003, "text": " There's like this big learning curve with the gestures at the very beginning." }, { "start": 2531.2000000000003, "end": 2537.7200000000003, "text": " And then as soon as you get past that, it starts to feel much more natural as you move" }, { "start": 2537.7200000000003, "end": 2538.7200000000003, "text": " around." }, { "start": 2538.72, "end": 2541.8799999999997, "text": " And it's very much to Blackberry's credit that they've pulled that off without getting" }, { "start": 2541.8799999999997, "end": 2543.3599999999997, "text": " rid of the communication stuff that makes that trick." }, { "start": 2543.3599999999997, "end": 2545.04, "text": " That's actually another question I have here." }, { "start": 2545.04, "end": 2546.04, "text": " Where'd it go?" }, { "start": 2546.04, "end": 2547.04, "text": " It's gone." }, { "start": 2547.04, "end": 2548.04, "text": " Oh from..." }, { "start": 2548.04, "end": 2549.04, "text": " I can't pronounce your name." }, { "start": 2549.04, "end": 2550.12, "text": " Get a better Twitter handle." }, { "start": 2550.12, "end": 2551.9599999999996, "text": " From Sema to Cementus." }, { "start": 2551.9599999999996, "end": 2554, "text": " Are the gestures intuitive?" }, { "start": 2554, "end": 2555, "text": " So Josh actually..." }, { "start": 2555, "end": 2558.3199999999997, "text": " We were talking about this yesterday and I think he put it perfectly which is that if" }, { "start": 2558.3199999999997, "end": 2562.68, "text": " I just handed you the phone, you'd have absolutely no idea how to do it." }, { "start": 2562.68, "end": 2564.08, "text": " And you would just look at it and be like what?" }, { "start": 2564.08, "end": 2565.6, "text": " When you boot it up, does it tell you?" }, { "start": 2565.6, "end": 2569.64, "text": " Yeah, so the initial startup is you connect to Wi-Fi and you set up an account." }, { "start": 2569.64, "end": 2571.44, "text": " And then it basically says..." }, { "start": 2571.44, "end": 2574.4, "text": " It's kind of what Windows 8 does where it's just like swipe in from any edge and see what" }, { "start": 2574.4, "end": 2578, "text": " happens and the biggest thing you need to know is that you swipe from the bottom to" }, { "start": 2578, "end": 2579, "text": " get to your home screen." }, { "start": 2579, "end": 2580, "text": " And that's really true." }, { "start": 2580, "end": 2585.08, "text": " Like as soon as you figure out or are told or learn that one swipe up from the bottom" }, { "start": 2585.08, "end": 2589.88, "text": " to get to your home screen gesture, you can kind of figure everything else out." }, { "start": 2589.88, "end": 2590.88, "text": " Even the peak?" }, { "start": 2590.88, "end": 2596.76, "text": " Well, so the peak is...I mean, again, it's the same with Windows 8 where you don't need" }, { "start": 2596.76, "end": 2597.76, "text": " that." }, { "start": 2597.76, "end": 2598.76, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2598.76, "end": 2601.42, "text": " But it's a nifty thing and it walks you through it and teaches you how to do it." }, { "start": 2601.42, "end": 2605.12, "text": " But it's...yeah, I mean, if I just handed you a turned off phone that I had already" }, { "start": 2605.12, "end": 2606.6400000000003, "text": " set up, you'd have absolutely no idea how to use it." }, { "start": 2606.6400000000003, "end": 2607.6400000000003, "text": " You'd be completely clueless." }, { "start": 2607.6400000000003, "end": 2608.6400000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2608.6400000000003, "end": 2609.6400000000003, "text": " But in two minutes, I can get you pretty set up." }, { "start": 2609.6400000000003, "end": 2610.6400000000003, "text": " That's interesting." }, { "start": 2610.6400000000003, "end": 2611.6400000000003, "text": " Yeah, it's up and down." }, { "start": 2611.6400000000003, "end": 2612.6400000000003, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 2612.6400000000003, "end": 2615.44, "text": " So from Ian Robinson, what is the Maps app like?" }, { "start": 2615.44, "end": 2616.44, "text": " It's bad." }, { "start": 2616.44, "end": 2617.44, "text": " It's bad." }, { "start": 2617.44, "end": 2618.44, "text": " I mean, it's so..." }, { "start": 2618.44, "end": 2619.44, "text": " It's Bing." }, { "start": 2619.44, "end": 2620.44, "text": " I assume it's Bing." }, { "start": 2620.44, "end": 2621.44, "text": " It's Bing." }, { "start": 2621.44, "end": 2622.44, "text": " It just isn't as good as Google." }, { "start": 2622.44, "end": 2623.44, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2623.44, "end": 2630.36, "text": " And especially Google's Maps app on iOS continues to be my favorite thing in the world." }, { "start": 2630.36, "end": 2631.36, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2631.36, "end": 2632.36, "text": " It's good." }, { "start": 2632.36, "end": 2633.36, "text": " It's very good." }, { "start": 2633.36, "end": 2634.36, "text": " Yeah, and it just continues to get better." }, { "start": 2634.36, "end": 2637.6, "text": " And Bing Maps doesn't have the same number of points of interest." }, { "start": 2637.6, "end": 2639.84, "text": " Its transit stuff is not as good." }, { "start": 2639.84, "end": 2640.84, "text": " The app itself is fine." }, { "start": 2640.84, "end": 2644.12, "text": " It runs perfectly well." }, { "start": 2644.12, "end": 2645.5, "text": " It's kind of the same story as everything." }, { "start": 2645.5, "end": 2647.2000000000003, "text": " It's smooth and fast and works fine." }, { "start": 2647.2, "end": 2653.1, "text": " But I think Josh was saying in his review that he looked for a restaurant and it led" }, { "start": 2653.1, "end": 2656.12, "text": " him to a town in New Jersey with the same name as the restaurant." }, { "start": 2656.12, "end": 2657.12, "text": " Bing." }, { "start": 2657.12, "end": 2658.12, "text": " I mean, that's Bing." }, { "start": 2658.12, "end": 2659.12, "text": " That's the back end of Bing." }, { "start": 2659.12, "end": 2660.12, "text": " And that's just..." }, { "start": 2660.12, "end": 2664.08, "text": " That's something that's also totally out of Blackberry's control and something I don't" }, { "start": 2664.08, "end": 2665.08, "text": " know that I see Google hurrying to build an app." }, { "start": 2665.08, "end": 2667.24, "text": " We know Paul Miller's theory about..." }, { "start": 2667.24, "end": 2668.48, "text": " What's Paul Miller's theory?" }, { "start": 2668.48, "end": 2672.68, "text": " If you put Bing Maps on your phone, you don't care about your users." }, { "start": 2672.68, "end": 2673.68, "text": " That's what he always says." }, { "start": 2673.68, "end": 2674.68, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 2674.68, "end": 2675.68, "text": " And it's rough." }, { "start": 2675.68, "end": 2676.68, "text": " It's a rough thing to say." }, { "start": 2676.68, "end": 2677.68, "text": " There's something to that." }, { "start": 2677.68, "end": 2678.68, "text": " What is the level..." }, { "start": 2678.68, "end": 2679.68, "text": " A lot of people ask this question." }, { "start": 2679.68, "end": 2682.04, "text": " What is the level of integration with Google services?" }, { "start": 2682.04, "end": 2686.3599999999997, "text": " Because old Blackberry's had some funky Gmail thing going on." }, { "start": 2686.3599999999997, "end": 2687.3599999999997, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2687.3599999999997, "end": 2689.2, "text": " But it was okay." }, { "start": 2689.2, "end": 2691.3399999999997, "text": " But what's the true level of integration?" }, { "start": 2691.3399999999997, "end": 2697.08, "text": " So basically what we've been told is that it's not there yet, but it's coming." }, { "start": 2697.08, "end": 2702.24, "text": " Things like stars and labels, which were always great in old Blackberry's and on Blackberry" }, { "start": 2702.24, "end": 2705.6, "text": " 7 and I was kind of surprised they were there, are not there now." }, { "start": 2705.6, "end": 2710.12, "text": " But they're very much on the roadmap and it's part of the plan and it's going to be there." }, { "start": 2710.12, "end": 2714.2, "text": " But for now it kind of treats it like any other IMAP client basically, which leads to" }, { "start": 2714.2, "end": 2718.92, "text": " the problems that you're describing where my thread is gigantic and it doesn't play" }, { "start": 2718.92, "end": 2719.92, "text": " as nice with Gmail." }, { "start": 2719.92, "end": 2722.88, "text": " But 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Google Talk." }, { "start": 2753.62, "end": 2754.62, "text": " Because they use Gmail." }, { "start": 2754.62, "end": 2756.2400000000002, "text": " Because they use Gmail." }, { "start": 2756.2400000000002, "end": 2757.92, "text": " Maybe use Google Voice." }, { "start": 2757.92, "end": 2762.3, "text": " And they're not, everybody uses YouTube, and they're just not there on Windows Phone." }, { "start": 2762.3, "end": 2766.16, "text": " Because they know that the Google is on as we go to where the people are." }, { "start": 2766.16, "end": 2770.64, "text": " But they're preventing the people from going there." }, { "start": 2770.64, "end": 2776.98, "text": " They've looked at the chicken and egg equation and they're firmly denying chicken." }, { "start": 2776.98, "end": 2777.98, "text": " Whatever that means." }, { "start": 2777.98, "end": 2780.56, "text": " They killed all of the chickens so they can't lay eggs." }, { "start": 2780.56, "end": 2782.56, "text": " They're chicken limited." }, { "start": 2782.56, "end": 2784.96, "text": " Limiting chicken." }, { "start": 2784.96, "end": 2789, "text": " But it's the same question for Blackberry." }, { "start": 2789, "end": 2792.12, "text": " Maybe you can plug in a Gmail and the experience is fine, your friends will yell at you because" }, { "start": 2792.12, "end": 2793.64, "text": " it reformats all your email." }, { "start": 2793.64, "end": 2794.8, "text": " But at least you have it." }, { "start": 2794.8, "end": 2798.92, "text": " But all of the other, the spectrum of other Google services is not there." }, { "start": 2798.92, "end": 2804.84, "text": " I wonder if Google will be happy to let Blackberry be the third player." }, { "start": 2804.84, "end": 2806.76, "text": " Because that will continue to prevent Microsoft." }, { "start": 2806.76, "end": 2810.08, "text": " And I think Google is aligned very strongly against Microsoft." }, { "start": 2810.08, "end": 2814.16, "text": " So I wonder if they will ally with Blackberry just to say, Microsoft you're out of the game." }, { "start": 2814.16, "end": 2816.08, "text": " And that's a wide open question." }, { "start": 2816.08, "end": 2820.44, "text": " Or maybe, and this is potentially true as well, maybe Google really is just going to" }, { "start": 2820.44, "end": 2821.48, "text": " where the people are." }, { "start": 2821.48, "end": 2822.8799999999997, "text": " And they're gonna wait to see where the people go." }, { "start": 2822.8799999999997, "end": 2823.8799999999997, "text": " And then they'll provide the services." }, { "start": 2823.8799999999997, "end": 2829.52, "text": " Yeah, I mean, I think it's, they have a really interesting hand in this." }, { "start": 2829.52, "end": 2835.7999999999997, "text": " If they build a Gmail app and a Maps app and a YouTube app for Blackberry and not Windows" }, { "start": 2835.7999999999997, "end": 2840.22, "text": " Phone 8, that's a huge thing in Blackberry's corner." }, { "start": 2840.22, "end": 2843.72, "text": " I think it's just, I don't know." }, { "start": 2843.72, "end": 2845.9599999999996, "text": " I agree, I don't know necessarily what happens." }, { "start": 2845.9599999999996, "end": 2850.8399999999997, "text": " I think Google and Blackberry are much less competitive than Google and Microsoft." }, { "start": 2850.8399999999997, "end": 2853.12, "text": " They just overlap a lot less." }, { "start": 2853.12, "end": 2858.4399999999996, "text": " So I wouldn't be surprised to see Google play a little nicer with Blackberry." }, { "start": 2858.4399999999996, "end": 2862.48, "text": " But yeah, I mean, for right now the YouTube app is a wrapper to the mobile site." }, { "start": 2862.48, "end": 2865.12, "text": " Google clearly had nothing to do with that." }, { "start": 2865.12, "end": 2866.9599999999996, "text": " And it's gonna be really interesting to see." }, { "start": 2866.9599999999996, "end": 2871.2, "text": " For right now, some of that stuff, if you're a heavy Google user, it's just, it's missing." }, { "start": 2871.2, "end": 2872.2, "text": " And I think consumers are." }, { "start": 2872.2, "end": 2875.3199999999997, "text": " So we have a question here that I want to answer with a video." }, { "start": 2875.3199999999997, "end": 2877.12, "text": " If that makes any sense to the world." }, { "start": 2877.12, "end": 2878.9199999999996, "text": " It's from Keith Prime." }, { "start": 2878.9199999999996, "end": 2882.56, "text": " Do you think we're impressed, do you think those impressed with Blackberry's efforts" }, { "start": 2882.56, "end": 2885.9199999999996, "text": " are genuinely impressed or did we just have low expectations?" }, { "start": 2885.9199999999996, "end": 2890.2799999999997, "text": " And I just want to show you, maybe we had lower expectations and were impressed that" }, { "start": 2890.2799999999997, "end": 2891.68, "text": " they beat them." }, { "start": 2891.68, "end": 2897.4399999999996, "text": " But I think there is an incredible, Blackberry, I keep wanting to say rim." }, { "start": 2897.44, "end": 2902.4, "text": " They spent a lot of time this morning pointing out how much worldwide anticipation there" }, { "start": 2902.4, "end": 2903.4, "text": " is for the phone." }, { "start": 2903.4, "end": 2904.8, "text": " Which is something we heard from Vlad in the UK." }, { "start": 2904.8, "end": 2909.6, "text": " But I just, but then the way they chose, just watch this video." }, { "start": 2909.6, "end": 2910.6, "text": " It's tremendously embarrassing." }, { "start": 2910.6, "end": 2911.6, "text": " Hey, is that my phone?" }, { "start": 2911.6, "end": 2912.6, "text": " Who are we?" }, { "start": 2912.6, "end": 2921.84, "text": " My affiliation with Blackberry and why I set up Blackberry Community." }, { "start": 2921.84, "end": 2925.12, "text": " Because I'm falling in love with Blackberry at the first start." }, { "start": 2925.12, "end": 2926.12, "text": " That's it." }, { "start": 2926.12, "end": 2935.4, "text": " Blackberry 10 will give a jaw dropping moment for everyone." }, { "start": 2935.4, "end": 2942.24, "text": " I have to share my passion and enthusiasm to as many people as possible." }, { "start": 2942.24, "end": 2943.24, "text": " That's the challenge." }, { "start": 2943.24, "end": 2946.24, "text": " We want Blackberry 10." }, { "start": 2946.24, "end": 2949.48, "text": " Blackberry 10, I'm dying to own it." }, { "start": 2949.48, "end": 2952.48, "text": " Let's set up this Blackberry Nation." }, { "start": 2952.48, "end": 2964.68, "text": " My name is Lil E. What went into the song was I started losing sleep waiting for the" }, { "start": 2964.68, "end": 2966.56, "text": " launch date of Blackberry 10." }, { "start": 2966.56, "end": 2971.88, "text": " I wanted to create No Sleep Till Blackberry 10 to give to Blackberry a song to get everybody" }, { "start": 2971.88, "end": 2976.88, "text": " ready and pumped up for the launch date, January 30th." }, { "start": 2976.88, "end": 2988.6, "text": " What I like and support about Blackberry 10 is that you're able to do multiple things" }, { "start": 2988.6, "end": 2991.3, "text": " without leaving the application." }, { "start": 2991.3, "end": 2992.56, "text": " People in Dallas can't wait." }, { "start": 2992.56, "end": 3002.8, "text": " Bring on Blackberry 10." }, { "start": 3002.8, "end": 3012.7200000000003, "text": " I want you to imagine Thorsten Heinz rocking out to that song." }, { "start": 3012.7200000000003, "end": 3013.7200000000003, "text": " Can you imagine that?" }, { "start": 3013.7200000000003, "end": 3014.7200000000003, "text": " I certainly can." }, { "start": 3014.7200000000003, "end": 3016.44, "text": " Something else very important has happened." }, { "start": 3016.44, "end": 3019.1600000000003, "text": " I've eliminated David Pearce." }, { "start": 3019.1600000000003, "end": 3020.48, "text": " It's going to be okay." }, { "start": 3020.48, "end": 3025.0800000000004, "text": " In his place, we have Ross Miller who has with him a Blackberry Z10." }, { "start": 3025.0800000000004, "end": 3028.96, "text": " I can't believe you're taking credit for the vanquishment." }, { "start": 3028.96, "end": 3031.44, "text": " I took a pretty strong role." }, { "start": 3031.44, "end": 3033.16, "text": " You did strike it very hard in the head." }, { "start": 3033.16, "end": 3035.44, "text": " How did you coordinate your shirt?" }, { "start": 3035.44, "end": 3038.68, "text": " I BBM'd Thorsten this morning." }, { "start": 3038.68, "end": 3040.32, "text": " I was like, yo dawg, talk to me." }, { "start": 3040.32, "end": 3041.32, "text": " Don't BBM me." }, { "start": 3041.32, "end": 3042.32, "text": " Don't BBM me." }, { "start": 3042.32, "end": 3043.32, "text": " We have one." }, { "start": 3043.32, "end": 3044.32, "text": " Let's open this thing up." }, { "start": 3044.32, "end": 3045.32, "text": " The Z10." }, { "start": 3045.32, "end": 3046.32, "text": " The Z10." }, { "start": 3046.32, "end": 3047.32, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3047.32, "end": 3048.32, "text": " Let's see." }, { "start": 3048.32, "end": 3049.32, "text": " It's nice." }, { "start": 3049.32, "end": 3050.32, "text": " The experience." }, { "start": 3050.32, "end": 3051.32, "text": " It's redesigned." }, { "start": 3051.32, "end": 3052.32, "text": " It's reimagined." }, { "start": 3052.32, "end": 3053.32, "text": " I will say this." }, { "start": 3053.32, "end": 3054.32, "text": " This is not going to be the one that you end up buying." }, { "start": 3054.32, "end": 3055.32, "text": " This is actually really..." }, { "start": 3055.32, "end": 3056.32, "text": " I really don't like this shirt thing." }, { "start": 3056.32, "end": 3057.32, "text": " I did not." }, { "start": 3057.32, "end": 3058.32, "text": " Please get it away from me." }, { "start": 3058.32, "end": 3059.32, "text": " I have it." }, { "start": 3059.32, "end": 3060.32, "text": " I'm not..." }, { "start": 3060.32, "end": 3061.32, "text": " Less contrast." }, { "start": 3061.32, "end": 3062.32, "text": " I'm not going to buy the company." }, { "start": 3062.32, "end": 3063.32, "text": " So I will say this." }, { "start": 3063.32, "end": 3065.32, "text": " This is probably not the packaging unless you buy this thing unlocked." }, { "start": 3065.32, "end": 3067.44, "text": " Probably not the packaging you'll see from your carrier." }, { "start": 3067.44, "end": 3068.44, "text": " But it's very nice." }, { "start": 3068.44, "end": 3069.44, "text": " Z10." }, { "start": 3069.44, "end": 3070.44, "text": " Now, you're matching." }, { "start": 3070.44, "end": 3071.44, "text": " Oh yeah, it's good." }, { "start": 3071.44, "end": 3072.44, "text": " Come on." }, { "start": 3072.44, "end": 3073.44, "text": " Come on." }, { "start": 3073.44, "end": 3077.04, "text": " We are the combined Z10 packaging right here." }, { "start": 3077.04, "end": 3078.04, "text": " This is nice." }, { "start": 3078.04, "end": 3079.04, "text": " This." }, { "start": 3079.04, "end": 3080.04, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 3080.04, "end": 3081.04, "text": " This guy." }, { "start": 3081.04, "end": 3082.04, "text": " We got it." }, { "start": 3082.04, "end": 3083.04, "text": " It's all happening here." }, { "start": 3083.04, "end": 3084.04, "text": " Is there stuff in here?" }, { "start": 3084.04, "end": 3085.04, "text": " Maybe." }, { "start": 3085.04, "end": 3086.04, "text": " You know, I will say the one..." }, { "start": 3086.04, "end": 3088.6000000000004, "text": " We don't do unboxing videos at The Verge anymore." }, { "start": 3088.6000000000004, "end": 3090.1600000000003, "text": " Or photos." }, { "start": 3090.1600000000003, "end": 3091.1600000000003, "text": " It's things in a box." }, { "start": 3091.16, "end": 3092.3199999999997, "text": " I don't have much to say." }, { "start": 3092.3199999999997, "end": 3095.3999999999996, "text": " But I will say that having done a lot of them in my life, there's nothing more depressing" }, { "start": 3095.3999999999996, "end": 3097.48, "text": " than like taking the phone away." }, { "start": 3097.48, "end": 3098.48, "text": " You're like, oh, we see the phone." }, { "start": 3098.48, "end": 3099.48, "text": " And then you put it aside." }, { "start": 3099.48, "end": 3102.2799999999997, "text": " Now we look at these great components." }, { "start": 3102.2799999999997, "end": 3103.2799999999997, "text": " Here's the battery." }, { "start": 3103.2799999999997, "end": 3104.2799999999997, "text": " Battery could be useful." }, { "start": 3104.2799999999997, "end": 3105.2799999999997, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 3105.2799999999997, "end": 3106.2799999999997, "text": " And that's all we need." }, { "start": 3106.2799999999997, "end": 3107.2799999999997, "text": " Is there a SIM card?" }, { "start": 3107.2799999999997, "end": 3108.2799999999997, "text": " Here's the charger." }, { "start": 3108.2799999999997, "end": 3109.2799999999997, "text": " Plus and minuses are lined up." }, { "start": 3109.2799999999997, "end": 3113.72, "text": " So in case you're wondering, the Blackberry Z10 is in fact a phone that comes in a box." }, { "start": 3113.72, "end": 3114.96, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 3114.96, "end": 3115.96, "text": " This is breaking news right here, folks." }, { "start": 3115.96, "end": 3117.72, "text": " It's got a charger like every other charger." }, { "start": 3117.72, "end": 3118.72, "text": " And it comes with a case, which is very nice." }, { "start": 3118.72, "end": 3119.72, "text": " The film is over." }, { "start": 3119.72, "end": 3120.72, "text": " It is on." }, { "start": 3120.72, "end": 3121.72, "text": " There we go." }, { "start": 3121.72, "end": 3122.72, "text": " Boot this thing up for the people." }, { "start": 3122.72, "end": 3123.72, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 3123.72, "end": 3124.72, "text": " It's booting up." }, { "start": 3124.72, "end": 3125.72, "text": " And it is kind of out of focus." }, { "start": 3125.72, "end": 3126.72, "text": " It's coming back." }, { "start": 3126.72, "end": 3127.72, "text": " There we go." }, { "start": 3127.72, "end": 3128.72, "text": " Here's the case." }, { "start": 3128.72, "end": 3129.72, "text": " I don't think we need any of this other crap." }, { "start": 3129.72, "end": 3134.72, "text": " I don't think there's so much plastic crap in that." }, { "start": 3134.72, "end": 3137.72, "text": " Look, you know, you should have packed this stuff in recyclable paper, Thorsten." }, { "start": 3137.72, "end": 3141.6, "text": " I know you did it yourself." }, { "start": 3141.6, "end": 3142.6, "text": " Every single one of them." }, { "start": 3142.6, "end": 3143.6, "text": " This is broken." }, { "start": 3143.6, "end": 3144.6, "text": " That's over there." }, { "start": 3144.6, "end": 3145.6, "text": " Oh, it does come with a case." }, { "start": 3145.6, "end": 3146.6, "text": " Great." }, { "start": 3146.6, "end": 3147.6, "text": " I can clip this on my belt." }, { "start": 3147.6, "end": 3148.6, "text": " I want to show..." }, { "start": 3148.6, "end": 3149.6, "text": " This is what Vlad is talking about." }, { "start": 3149.6, "end": 3154.3199999999997, "text": " And what we noted in the review and I think what a lot of people have said." }, { "start": 3154.3199999999997, "end": 3156.4, "text": " So this is a Z10." }, { "start": 3156.4, "end": 3159.64, "text": " Here's an iPhone 5 with many notifications on it." }, { "start": 3159.64, "end": 3162.2, "text": " They are, I mean, just remarkably similar devices." }, { "start": 3162.2, "end": 3164.16, "text": " The Z10 is a little bit bigger." }, { "start": 3164.16, "end": 3165.68, "text": " It has a bigger screen." }, { "start": 3165.68, "end": 3167.8399999999997, "text": " But at a glance, there's really..." }, { "start": 3167.8399999999997, "end": 3169.3199999999997, "text": " Let me unlock this thing." }, { "start": 3169.3199999999997, "end": 3171.92, "text": " You've got a pretty banged up iPhone 5, just as a tangent." }, { "start": 3171.92, "end": 3174.56, "text": " My iPhone 5 is basically like..." }, { "start": 3174.56, "end": 3176.08, "text": " It's like a car in the Road Warrior." }, { "start": 3176.08, "end": 3179.88, "text": " I mean, it has a lot of character." }, { "start": 3179.88, "end": 3183.2799999999997, "text": " But you can see, I mean, these things look just very similar." }, { "start": 3183.2799999999997, "end": 3188.56, "text": " And part of that is making a black phone with a black screen." }, { "start": 3188.56, "end": 3190.92, "text": " You just end up with something that looks like an iPhone." }, { "start": 3190.92, "end": 3194, "text": " You know, we'll see what Apple says about it." }, { "start": 3194, "end": 3195.36, "text": " But it's very handsome." }, { "start": 3195.36, "end": 3196.7, "text": " It's got a textured back." }, { "start": 3196.7, "end": 3200, "text": " It's got these little chrome bumps and it's got this soft touch finish." }, { "start": 3200, "end": 3204.12, "text": " And somebody in Twitter actually asked me if this feels like the Nexus 7." }, { "start": 3204.12, "end": 3207.6, "text": " And I would say this feels, to me, a lot better than the Nexus 7." }, { "start": 3207.6, "end": 3208.6, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 3208.6, "end": 3209.6, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3209.6, "end": 3211.24, "text": " I mean, that's like a faux leather." }, { "start": 3211.24, "end": 3212.24, "text": " But this is..." }, { "start": 3212.24, "end": 3213.24, "text": " It's actually..." }, { "start": 3213.24, "end": 3214.24, "text": " Ross and I are fighting over this right now." }, { "start": 3214.24, "end": 3216.3199999999997, "text": " I don't know if you see the low level like..." }, { "start": 3216.3199999999997, "end": 3217.3199999999997, "text": " Wait, wait, wait, wait." }, { "start": 3217.3199999999997, "end": 3219.2799999999997, "text": " I'm learning how to insert a SIM card." }, { "start": 3219.2799999999997, "end": 3220.2799999999997, "text": " That's your first problem." }, { "start": 3220.2799999999997, "end": 3221.2799999999997, "text": " That's why I've left to continue." }, { "start": 3221.2799999999997, "end": 3222.2799999999997, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3222.2799999999997, "end": 3223.2799999999997, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 3223.2799999999997, "end": 3224.2799999999997, "text": " Sorry." }, { "start": 3224.2799999999997, "end": 3225.2799999999997, "text": " So we've got one." }, { "start": 3225.2799999999997, "end": 3226.2799999999997, "text": " So you were at the event." }, { "start": 3226.2799999999997, "end": 3227.2799999999997, "text": " I was at the event." }, { "start": 3227.2799999999997, "end": 3228.2799999999997, "text": " What was your sense of the event?" }, { "start": 3228.2799999999997, "end": 3229.2799999999997, "text": " It started out on a very weird note." }, { "start": 3229.2799999999997, "end": 3231.6, "text": " I don't know how much was actually broadcast live." }, { "start": 3231.6, "end": 3233.6, "text": " Did you see Crackberry Kevin cut off his hair?" }, { "start": 3233.6, "end": 3234.6, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 3234.6, "end": 3235.6, "text": " You did." }, { "start": 3235.6, "end": 3237.12, "text": " I watched that on an iPad in a car on my way to the studio." }, { "start": 3237.12, "end": 3238.12, "text": " It was very strange." }, { "start": 3238.12, "end": 3239.3199999999997, "text": " It was before the event." }, { "start": 3239.3199999999997, "end": 3240.48, "text": " The event hadn't officially started." }, { "start": 3240.48, "end": 3241.48, "text": " They were streaming it." }, { "start": 3241.48, "end": 3243.16, "text": " I wasn't sure if that was beginning of the event or not." }, { "start": 3243.16, "end": 3244.72, "text": " I was actually really confused about that." }, { "start": 3244.72, "end": 3247.48, "text": " So it started out with this guy kind of coming on doing a telecast in front of us." }, { "start": 3247.48, "end": 3248.48, "text": " We didn't know what was happening." }, { "start": 3248.48, "end": 3249.48, "text": " They didn't really say." }, { "start": 3249.48, "end": 3250.48, "text": " They just had the guy come out." }, { "start": 3250.48, "end": 3252.88, "text": " He said, we're going to tune in live from London." }, { "start": 3252.88, "end": 3255.2599999999998, "text": " And then nothing happened." }, { "start": 3255.2599999999998, "end": 3259.4, "text": " It turns out there was a small blip on the back TV that no one noticed until they started" }, { "start": 3259.4, "end": 3260.4, "text": " putting it on the other countries." }, { "start": 3260.4, "end": 3263.88, "text": " It was just the most awkward, weird thing live." }, { "start": 3263.88, "end": 3264.88, "text": " I didn't know either." }, { "start": 3264.88, "end": 3265.88, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3265.88, "end": 3270.52, "text": " So what they were trying to show, and I think this is something that maybe our wider set" }, { "start": 3270.52, "end": 3274.32, "text": " of viewers in the US doesn't know, is that Blackberry is still very huge in countries" }, { "start": 3274.32, "end": 3275.78, "text": " around the world." }, { "start": 3275.78, "end": 3279.12, "text": " When other Blackberry phones, Blackberry 6 phones or Blackberry 7 phones, have come out," }, { "start": 3279.12, "end": 3283.4, "text": " there have been lines internationally for Blackberries, which has not been the case in" }, { "start": 3283.4, "end": 3284.4, "text": " the United States." }, { "start": 3284.4, "end": 3285.4, "text": " No." }, { "start": 3285.4, "end": 3289.4, "text": " So there is a lot of pent up Blackberry frustration, demand." }, { "start": 3289.4, "end": 3290.4, "text": " Demand." }, { "start": 3290.4, "end": 3291.88, "text": " Waiting for a device like this." }, { "start": 3291.88, "end": 3292.88, "text": " Well, I mean." }, { "start": 3292.88, "end": 3296.6800000000003, "text": " I think what they were trying to show at the event, and I think they didn't do a very good" }, { "start": 3296.6800000000003, "end": 3301.04, "text": " job of it, but what they were trying to show is that around the world, Blackberry is still" }, { "start": 3301.04, "end": 3303.56, "text": " a strong brand and that there is demand for it." }, { "start": 3303.56, "end": 3309.12, "text": " What they ended up showing was a lot of rooms of people watching TV and a guy in Paris going" }, { "start": 3309.12, "end": 3310.12, "text": " like this." }, { "start": 3310.12, "end": 3311.12, "text": " Now, correct me if I'm wrong." }, { "start": 3311.12, "end": 3315.08, "text": " Now, years and years ago, when they were still research in motion, they did the keynote about" }, { "start": 3315.08, "end": 3317.84, "text": " saying Blackberry was popular in third world countries." }, { "start": 3317.84, "end": 3318.84, "text": " Was this the same company as at Palm?" }, { "start": 3318.84, "end": 3319.84, "text": " No, no, it was Blackberry." }, { "start": 3319.84, "end": 3320.84, "text": " It was Blackberry, okay." }, { "start": 3320.84, "end": 3321.84, "text": " I don't think Palm was ever popular." }, { "start": 3321.84, "end": 3322.84, "text": " Sad to say." }, { "start": 3322.84, "end": 3323.84, "text": " That is, it's unfortunate, but." }, { "start": 3323.84, "end": 3324.84, "text": " What is this thing doing?" }, { "start": 3324.84, "end": 3325.84, "text": " What are you doing?" }, { "start": 3325.84, "end": 3326.84, "text": " Is it what?" }, { "start": 3326.84, "end": 3331.28, "text": " So we're just trying to connect this around to Wi-Fi and failing out." }, { "start": 3331.28, "end": 3332.76, "text": " That's what's happening here." }, { "start": 3332.76, "end": 3333.76, "text": " Here, we should continue." }, { "start": 3333.76, "end": 3334.76, "text": " Just keep soft touching." }, { "start": 3334.76, "end": 3335.76, "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 3335.76, "end": 3336.76, "text": " I'm going to, you." }, { "start": 3336.76, "end": 3337.76, "text": " Thanks for talking about the event while I get this." }, { "start": 3337.76, "end": 3340.56, "text": " I mean, so like, it was, it often weird start." }, { "start": 3340.56, "end": 3342.7200000000003, "text": " It kind of got more normal as it went on." }, { "start": 3342.7200000000003, "end": 3344.76, "text": " I mean, Thorsten Heins did a good job." }, { "start": 3344.76, "end": 3346.88, "text": " It was weird seeing Michael Azarius there." }, { "start": 3346.88, "end": 3347.88, "text": " Oh, he was there." }, { "start": 3347.88, "end": 3348.88, "text": " Well, he's on the board, isn't he?" }, { "start": 3348.88, "end": 3349.88, "text": " He's on the board." }, { "start": 3349.88, "end": 3350.88, "text": " He was in the front." }, { "start": 3350.88, "end": 3351.88, "text": " You know, he was on the front." }, { "start": 3351.88, "end": 3356.08, "text": " He stood up and Thorsten thanked him for driving us into the future of Blackberry, which is" }, { "start": 3356.08, "end": 3359.04, "text": " an odd thing to say for the man who drove the company into a ground." }, { "start": 3359.04, "end": 3361.12, "text": " Well, he did and he didn't." }, { "start": 3361.12, "end": 3366.12, "text": " I think the investors lost confidence in him, but I think he, at one point Thorsten said," }, { "start": 3366.12, "end": 3370.8, "text": " we have to thank some people who helped us make a very hard decision, which was, do we" }, { "start": 3370.8, "end": 3373.6800000000003, "text": " make our own platform or do we pick a competitor platform?" }, { "start": 3373.6800000000003, "end": 3375.6400000000003, "text": " And I think I failed to connect to them." }, { "start": 3375.6400000000003, "end": 3377.12, "text": " And they kind of did both though." }, { "start": 3377.12, "end": 3381.04, "text": " I mean, we have the Android emulator in here, which is..." }, { "start": 3381.04, "end": 3383.7599999999998, "text": " I really wish I could connect to a network here so I could show people." }, { "start": 3383.7599999999998, "end": 3384.7599999999998, "text": " Do you want me to try one?" }, { "start": 3384.7599999999998, "end": 3385.7599999999998, "text": " Do you know what the password is?" }, { "start": 3385.7599999999998, "end": 3386.7599999999998, "text": " I don't know what the password is." }, { "start": 3386.7599999999998, "end": 3387.7599999999998, "text": " Yeah, I got this." }, { "start": 3387.7599999999998, "end": 3388.7599999999998, "text": " I got this, says Ross." }, { "start": 3388.7599999999998, "end": 3389.7599999999998, "text": " I got this." }, { "start": 3389.7599999999998, "end": 3390.7599999999998, "text": " Watch this." }, { "start": 3390.7599999999998, "end": 3391.7599999999998, "text": " What else did you see at the event that was going on?" }, { "start": 3391.7599999999998, "end": 3395.24, "text": " Like, during the announcements, there was a lot of time spent demoing the UI." }, { "start": 3395.24, "end": 3400.8399999999997, "text": " There was a lot of time...Ross, I think Ross figured it out." }, { "start": 3400.8399999999997, "end": 3403.12, "text": " There's a lot of talk about the UI, about the announcements." }, { "start": 3403.12, "end": 3406.64, "text": " What were their selling points for some of the stuff they were saying about the UI?" }, { "start": 3406.64, "end": 3408.3599999999997, "text": " I mean, again, it's a new thing." }, { "start": 3408.3599999999997, "end": 3410.08, "text": " They didn't really bring up any competitors." }, { "start": 3410.08, "end": 3413.08, "text": " They were just saying, we have a swipe, we have this way of getting notifications." }, { "start": 3413.08, "end": 3417.44, "text": " Of course, they did a lot on the enterprise, which is their big selling point." }, { "start": 3417.44, "end": 3421.96, "text": " I mean, they wanted to basically give this in a bubble." }, { "start": 3421.96, "end": 3426.08, "text": " You know, a lot of times you see Microsoft, you see Apple kind of go on and they'll vaguely" }, { "start": 3426.08, "end": 3427.48, "text": " reference the competition." }, { "start": 3427.48, "end": 3429.72, "text": " They didn't really do that here." }, { "start": 3429.72, "end": 3431.48, "text": " They're just like, this is the rebirth of Blackberry." }, { "start": 3431.48, "end": 3434.8799999999997, "text": " Well, I mean, that's like...I don't think they can reference a competition." }, { "start": 3434.88, "end": 3439.36, "text": " I don't think that works out well for them if they keep talking about the iPhone because" }, { "start": 3439.36, "end": 3441.6800000000003, "text": " I don't think they want to invite the comparisons yet." }, { "start": 3441.6800000000003, "end": 3443.56, "text": " I think that's bad for them." }, { "start": 3443.56, "end": 3444.96, "text": " Well, not the iPhone so much." }, { "start": 3444.96, "end": 3448.2000000000003, "text": " I don't think they're going to go after the iPhone Android market right now." }, { "start": 3448.2000000000003, "end": 3449.6400000000003, "text": " I think they're fighting for third place." }, { "start": 3449.6400000000003, "end": 3451.12, "text": " Thorson said that many times before." }, { "start": 3451.12, "end": 3453.28, "text": " He's fighting for third place." }, { "start": 3453.28, "end": 3457.76, "text": " And first and second is clearly iPhone and Android, depending on what your metric is." }, { "start": 3457.76, "end": 3458.76, "text": " Once and first, once and second." }, { "start": 3458.76, "end": 3459.76, "text": " Did you break it?" }, { "start": 3459.76, "end": 3462.12, "text": " They just said it connected to a Wi-Fi network and then immediately did..." }, { "start": 3462.12, "end": 3463.12, "text": " Oh, keep swiping." }, { "start": 3463.12, "end": 3465.12, "text": " It's all about swiping." }, { "start": 3465.12, "end": 3466.68, "text": " Again, it's all about swipe gestures." }, { "start": 3466.68, "end": 3467.68, "text": " Swipe left to continue." }, { "start": 3467.68, "end": 3469.64, "text": " Fix everything by swiping." }, { "start": 3469.64, "end": 3471.6, "text": " But Windows Phone, I think that's a fair comparison." }, { "start": 3471.6, "end": 3473.3599999999997, "text": " They should have made..." }, { "start": 3473.3599999999997, "end": 3476.56, "text": " I mean, do you want to compare yourself to Windows Phone at this point?" }, { "start": 3476.56, "end": 3480.16, "text": " I think saying you're going to beat a platform that isn't successful is not a good..." }, { "start": 3480.16, "end": 3481.16, "text": " Do you have a Blackberry ID?" }, { "start": 3481.16, "end": 3482.16, "text": " No." }, { "start": 3482.16, "end": 3484, "text": " You want to make one?" }, { "start": 3484, "end": 3485, "text": " I don't want to make one." }, { "start": 3485, "end": 3486, "text": " I'll make one." }, { "start": 3486, "end": 3487, "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "start": 3487, "end": 3488, "text": " Well, I want you to talk." }, { "start": 3488, "end": 3489, "text": " I don't want you to fiddle with the phone." }, { "start": 3489, "end": 3490, "text": " All right, then you make a Blackberry ID." }, { "start": 3490, "end": 3491, "text": " We're just going to have the phone." }, { "start": 3491, "end": 3492, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3492, "end": 3493, "text": " We can show..." }, { "start": 3493, "end": 3494, "text": " We can show it up." }, { "start": 3494, "end": 3496.2, "text": " There's a review on The Verge with a complete video of this UI." }, { "start": 3496.2, "end": 3497.2, "text": " There's a Blackberry Z10." }, { "start": 3497.2, "end": 3498.2, "text": " But we have one." }, { "start": 3498.2, "end": 3499.2, "text": " We have another one." }, { "start": 3499.2, "end": 3501.2, "text": " I think we have a few more that are going to come floating in from all the people who" }, { "start": 3501.2, "end": 3502.2, "text": " were at the event." }, { "start": 3502.2, "end": 3503.2, "text": " We have four or five people at the event." }, { "start": 3503.2, "end": 3504.2, "text": " So we have the phone." }, { "start": 3504.2, "end": 3507.16, "text": " I will say that just hardware-wise, it is very handsome." }, { "start": 3507.16, "end": 3509.08, "text": " It does look an incredible amount like an iPhone." }, { "start": 3509.08, "end": 3510.08, "text": " There's just no getting around it." }, { "start": 3510.08, "end": 3512.84, "text": " I remember when we were waiting, they showed a small picture of the Z10 on screen." }, { "start": 3512.84, "end": 3514.44, "text": " I was like, I thought they were holding the iPhone." }, { "start": 3514.44, "end": 3515.44, "text": " I thought it was going to be a comparison thing." }, { "start": 3515.44, "end": 3516.44, "text": " I will point this out." }, { "start": 3516.44, "end": 3519.32, "text": " You can take the battery out, which maybe you're into." }, { "start": 3519.32, "end": 3522.44, "text": " That's very Samsung, the Flexi back." }, { "start": 3522.44, "end": 3524, "text": " Let's talk more about the event." }, { "start": 3524, "end": 3525.56, "text": " We've got a few more minutes here." }, { "start": 3525.56, "end": 3531.52, "text": " I just want to get your sense of, as the event was going on, as you witnessed Alicia Keys" }, { "start": 3531.52, "end": 3533.16, "text": " deflect questions about Blackberry." }, { "start": 3533.16, "end": 3538.08, "text": " Speaking of like, pent-up frustration, Alicia Keys metaphor to her experience with said" }, { "start": 3538.08, "end": 3539.08, "text": " boyfriend." }, { "start": 3539.08, "end": 3540.08, "text": " Oh, with the boyfriend." }, { "start": 3540.08, "end": 3541.08, "text": " With the boyfriend." }, { "start": 3541.08, "end": 3542.08, "text": " No, no, I know." }, { "start": 3542.08, "end": 3543.08, "text": " Alicia Keys is not a metaphor." }, { "start": 3543.08, "end": 3544.08, "text": " She's a real person." }, { "start": 3544.08, "end": 3545.08, "text": " What was going on with Alicia Keys?" }, { "start": 3545.08, "end": 3546.08, "text": " Just tell me straight up." }, { "start": 3546.08, "end": 3547.08, "text": " Why was she there and what the hell was she doing?" }, { "start": 3547.08, "end": 3548.08, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 3548.08, "end": 3549.08, "text": " We're all taking bets on who was actually going to come out because they're like, we" }, { "start": 3549.08, "end": 3550.36, "text": " have a new creative director." }, { "start": 3550.36, "end": 3551.84, "text": " We know what that means in the tech space now." }, { "start": 3551.84, "end": 3555.88, "text": " It means we've hired a celebrity to show for us and to make us look cool." }, { "start": 3555.88, "end": 3557.6400000000003, "text": " Be it Gaga, be it Will.i.am." }, { "start": 3557.6400000000003, "end": 3561, "text": " Do we have the picture from the live vlog of Thorsten greeting Alicia Keys?" }, { "start": 3561, "end": 3562, "text": " This is like a romantic comedy." }, { "start": 3562, "end": 3564.26, "text": " It literally looks like he's about to kiss her." }, { "start": 3564.26, "end": 3567.6400000000003, "text": " It's somewhere between a romantic comedy and that movie poster for What About Bob?" }, { "start": 3567.6400000000003, "end": 3568.6400000000003, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3568.6400000000003, "end": 3570.84, "text": " Like, I'm going to hurt you, but I also want to love you." }, { "start": 3570.84, "end": 3573.52, "text": " That was her relationship with Blackberry, apparently, also." }, { "start": 3573.52, "end": 3575.8, "text": " She defined it as a boyfriend and then at some point-" }, { "start": 3575.8, "end": 3576.8, "text": " She did not." }, { "start": 3576.8, "end": 3577.8, "text": " She did?" }, { "start": 3577.8, "end": 3578.8, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 3578.8, "end": 3579.8, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 3579.8, "end": 3580.8, "text": " Tell me everything about this." }, { "start": 3580.8, "end": 3582, "text": " She was a boyfriend, you know?" }, { "start": 3582, "end": 3586, "text": " At some point, I started looking at the, you know, kind of playing the field a little more." }, { "start": 3586, "end": 3587, "text": " Oh my God." }, { "start": 3587, "end": 3589.2400000000002, "text": " Checking out these sexy new options." }, { "start": 3589.2400000000002, "end": 3590.2400000000002, "text": " She definitely said sexy." }, { "start": 3590.2400000000002, "end": 3591.2400000000002, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 3591.2400000000002, "end": 3594.2400000000002, "text": " Which we're talking about obviously the iPhone and Android and all that." }, { "start": 3594.2400000000002, "end": 3598.36, "text": " But you know, I came back to Blackberry essentially because it's the nice guy that's always there." }, { "start": 3598.36, "end": 3599.36, "text": " It's dependable." }, { "start": 3599.36, "end": 3600.36, "text": " Oh my God." }, { "start": 3600.36, "end": 3601.36, "text": " That's terrible." }, { "start": 3601.36, "end": 3605.2400000000002, "text": " But I want to say, as someone on Twitter noted, Alicia Keys is still heavy in Instagram." }, { "start": 3605.2400000000002, "end": 3606.2400000000002, "text": " Not really." }, { "start": 3606.2400000000002, "end": 3609.84, "text": " So even though she says she's exclusive to Blackberry, where's the Instagram app?" }, { "start": 3609.84, "end": 3610.84, "text": " So I will say this." }, { "start": 3610.84, "end": 3611.84, "text": " There was a lot of rumors." }, { "start": 3611.84, "end": 3613.88, "text": " So they did a lot of talking about apps." }, { "start": 3613.88, "end": 3619.08, "text": " And one of the rumors that we'd heard endlessly was Instagram was coming to Blackberry 10." }, { "start": 3619.08, "end": 3620.08, "text": " Didn't happen, right?" }, { "start": 3620.08, "end": 3621.8, "text": " We're not seeing it." }, { "start": 3621.8, "end": 3623.84, "text": " But what other apps do we see?" }, { "start": 3623.84, "end": 3626.46, "text": " We saw Skype, which is, you know, it's good." }, { "start": 3626.46, "end": 3629.42, "text": " It's Microsoft thing, but it's also a huge communication business platform." }, { "start": 3629.42, "end": 3632.6400000000003, "text": " We saw Kindle, which is Amazon's and everything." }, { "start": 3632.6400000000003, "end": 3633.6400000000003, "text": " I'd be surprised if it wasn't." }, { "start": 3633.6400000000003, "end": 3634.6400000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3634.6400000000003, "end": 3637.88, "text": " So we basically saw services that benefit from being on every platform." }, { "start": 3637.88, "end": 3638.88, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 3638.88, "end": 3639.88, "text": " So Twitter, Facebook." }, { "start": 3639.88, "end": 3640.88, "text": " Well, except for Foursquare." }, { "start": 3640.88, "end": 3641.88, "text": " LinkedIn." }, { "start": 3641.88, "end": 3645.32, "text": " Well, that benefits from all social networks." }, { "start": 3645.32, "end": 3649.2000000000003, "text": " We saw a lot of stuff where they need people to be a part of that platform." }, { "start": 3649.2000000000003, "end": 3650.2000000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3650.2000000000003, "end": 3653.44, "text": " But do we see any Blackberry blow up apps?" }, { "start": 3653.44, "end": 3654.44, "text": " No." }, { "start": 3654.44, "end": 3655.44, "text": " We saw those." }, { "start": 3655.44, "end": 3656.44, "text": " We saw Angry Birds." }, { "start": 3656.44, "end": 3657.44, "text": " I don't think we saw Netflix or Hulu." }, { "start": 3657.44, "end": 3658.92, "text": " There's no entertainment app to speak of." }, { "start": 3658.92, "end": 3659.92, "text": " Interesting." }, { "start": 3659.92, "end": 3660.92, "text": " First thing you can tell." }, { "start": 3660.92, "end": 3661.92, "text": " That's fascinating." }, { "start": 3661.92, "end": 3663.76, "text": " I mean, unless it's in the app store, but they did not highlight it on stage." }, { "start": 3663.76, "end": 3665.92, "text": " And if you have Netflix, they absolutely should." }, { "start": 3665.92, "end": 3667.76, "text": " Oh, here's Alicia Keys in a-" }, { "start": 3667.76, "end": 3668.96, "text": " I mean, this is terrifying." }, { "start": 3668.96, "end": 3669.96, "text": " Like whatever-" }, { "start": 3669.96, "end": 3671.88, "text": " He is a very tall man." }, { "start": 3671.88, "end": 3674.6000000000004, "text": " I think if anyone talks to him, it's gonna look like this." }, { "start": 3674.6000000000004, "end": 3678.88, "text": " We should do a caption contest for this photo, because I look at that and I literally see" }, { "start": 3678.88, "end": 3679.88, "text": " the words, you're dead to me." }, { "start": 3679.88, "end": 3681.6000000000004, "text": " Like that's what I see when I see that picture." }, { "start": 3681.6000000000004, "end": 3682.6000000000004, "text": " Suddenly appear." }, { "start": 3682.6000000000004, "end": 3683.6000000000004, "text": " Don't sing." }, { "start": 3683.6000000000004, "end": 3684.6000000000004, "text": " No, it's romantic to me." }, { "start": 3684.6000000000004, "end": 3685.6000000000004, "text": " I don't know what you're talking about." }, { "start": 3685.6000000000004, "end": 3686.96, "text": " See, you see romance, I see malice." }, { "start": 3686.96, "end": 3687.96, "text": " That's what I see in that photo." }, { "start": 3687.96, "end": 3689.28, "text": " I don't think there's a difference to you." }, { "start": 3689.28, "end": 3691.1600000000003, "text": " And that's how I feel about the Blackberry title." }, { "start": 3691.1600000000003, "end": 3692.76, "text": " It is what you see of it." }, { "start": 3692.76, "end": 3697.5600000000004, "text": " It's my sadomasochistic partner, which is why Neil Gaiman is now a show for this too." }, { "start": 3697.56, "end": 3698.56, "text": " That's terrible." }, { "start": 3698.56, "end": 3699.56, "text": " Oh, is he really?" }, { "start": 3699.56, "end": 3700.56, "text": " Yeah, so there's a new-" }, { "start": 3700.56, "end": 3701.56, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 3701.56, "end": 3702.56, "text": " There's a new Blackberry initiative." }, { "start": 3702.56, "end": 3705.68, "text": " That sounds terrible, right?" }, { "start": 3705.68, "end": 3708.88, "text": " It's a new Blackberry initiative and it's basically Alicia Keys going around getting" }, { "start": 3708.88, "end": 3712.16, "text": " other celebrities to play with Blackberry." }, { "start": 3712.16, "end": 3713.16, "text": " One of them was Neil Gaiman." }, { "start": 3713.16, "end": 3714.16, "text": " That's ridiculous." }, { "start": 3714.16, "end": 3716.56, "text": " I don't know who the other person is right now, because I kept focused on like, they" }, { "start": 3716.56, "end": 3720.52, "text": " had this trailer and it was Neil Gaiman in a diner playing with his Blackberry." }, { "start": 3720.52, "end": 3724.7999999999997, "text": " There's Neil Gaiman walking through the snow with his giant dog playing with his Blackberry." }, { "start": 3724.8, "end": 3730.48, "text": " And I can only assume the next picture is Neil Gaiman talking with ethereal demons and" }, { "start": 3730.48, "end": 3732.6400000000003, "text": " brainstorming on his Blackberry." }, { "start": 3732.6400000000003, "end": 3734.0800000000004, "text": " That's the only logical step." }, { "start": 3734.0800000000004, "end": 3735.8, "text": " Maybe I should start an emergency call." }, { "start": 3735.8, "end": 3736.8, "text": " Oh, God, no, it's doing it." }, { "start": 3736.8, "end": 3737.8, "text": " You did, you did." }, { "start": 3737.8, "end": 3738.8, "text": " I know it's not quite as fun." }, { "start": 3738.8, "end": 3742.76, "text": " So look, there's one question, which might start wrapping this up." }, { "start": 3742.76, "end": 3747.5600000000004, "text": " The one biggest question I got from Twitter, straight up, and it's something you just touched" }, { "start": 3747.5600000000004, "end": 3754.4, "text": " on was between Windows Phone 8 and Blackberry 10, you had to pick one to use." }, { "start": 3754.4, "end": 3756.04, "text": " Which one would you pick?" }, { "start": 3756.04, "end": 3757.04, "text": " Gut reaction?" }, { "start": 3757.04, "end": 3758.04, "text": " I would still probably-" }, { "start": 3758.04, "end": 3759.04, "text": " And you've been at Windows Phone." }, { "start": 3759.04, "end": 3763.4, "text": " I tried so hard to love the 8X and Nokia Lumias." }, { "start": 3763.4, "end": 3766.1600000000003, "text": " I would probably still go with Windows Phone." }, { "start": 3766.1600000000003, "end": 3767.1600000000003, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 3767.1600000000003, "end": 3770.6, "text": " If for no other reason than, and this is something I was talking about with Billy and Jordan," }, { "start": 3770.6, "end": 3775.08, "text": " our video crew before, Blackberry is just Blackberry." }, { "start": 3775.08, "end": 3777.04, "text": " There's nothing else it's connected to." }, { "start": 3777.04, "end": 3780.12, "text": " If I get a Windows Phone, it may be that third party experience, I'm just looking for something" }, { "start": 3780.12, "end": 3782.12, "text": " new, but I also know I've got Windows 8." }, { "start": 3782.12, "end": 3783.32, "text": " I've got the Xbox experience." }, { "start": 3783.32, "end": 3787.48, "text": " And the fact that it will tie together, I can just assume that Microsoft will put everything" }, { "start": 3787.48, "end": 3789.92, "text": " it has to Windows Phone." }, { "start": 3789.92, "end": 3791.6000000000004, "text": " I think it's probably a little bit more longevity." }, { "start": 3791.6000000000004, "end": 3793.48, "text": " That has nothing to do with actually using this phone." }, { "start": 3793.48, "end": 3795.4, "text": " I mean, that's the interesting thing about it." }, { "start": 3795.4, "end": 3797.36, "text": " It's still using a third place thing." }, { "start": 3797.36, "end": 3800.52, "text": " It's swipe gestures versus bad, they're both bad multitaskers." }, { "start": 3800.52, "end": 3803.6400000000003, "text": " They both have kind of okay keyboards and the swipe gesture-" }, { "start": 3803.6400000000003, "end": 3805.1600000000003, "text": " So you think this keyboard's just okay?" }, { "start": 3805.1600000000003, "end": 3806.1600000000003, "text": " It's okay, yeah." }, { "start": 3806.1600000000003, "end": 3807.1600000000003, "text": " Interesting." }, { "start": 3807.1600000000003, "end": 3811.1200000000003, "text": " I've just heard of now a broad spectrum of reactions about this keyboard." }, { "start": 3811.12, "end": 3813.48, "text": " I mean, if I get used to it, I'm sure I'm gonna love it." }, { "start": 3813.48, "end": 3816.96, "text": " I will say I love the physical keyboard, but I'm at a point in my life where I've been" }, { "start": 3816.96, "end": 3818.52, "text": " five, six years-" }, { "start": 3818.52, "end": 3819.52, "text": " You played with the Q10 a little bit." }, { "start": 3819.52, "end": 3820.52, "text": " I did play with the Q10." }, { "start": 3820.52, "end": 3821.52, "text": " As much as they would let you." }, { "start": 3821.52, "end": 3822.52, "text": " It's really weird." }, { "start": 3822.52, "end": 3828.04, "text": " It's like we got there, there were four devices in the whole thing, in the corner, we had" }, { "start": 3828.04, "end": 3830.24, "text": " run to them, we had found them." }, { "start": 3830.24, "end": 3834.6, "text": " We tried to pick it up, he's like, no, no, no, you can't pick it up." }, { "start": 3834.6, "end": 3836.92, "text": " We tried to play with the keyboard, like I swiped it a little bit." }, { "start": 3836.92, "end": 3839.4, "text": " He's like, can we push the buttons down?" }, { "start": 3839.4, "end": 3840.4, "text": " No, no, no." }, { "start": 3840.4, "end": 3841.4, "text": " We pushed them anyway." }, { "start": 3841.4, "end": 3844.1600000000003, "text": " But like, I mean, they're very, they're calling it a control demo." }, { "start": 3844.1600000000003, "end": 3847.76, "text": " They won't show any of the apps, but they say they're all optimized for this square" }, { "start": 3847.76, "end": 3849.28, "text": " 720 by 720 screen." }, { "start": 3849.28, "end": 3850.28, "text": " That's a really weird resolution." }, { "start": 3850.28, "end": 3851.28, "text": " And it looks really good." }, { "start": 3851.28, "end": 3852.28, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 3852.28, "end": 3853.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3853.28, "end": 3854.28, "text": " Well, I mean, BlackBerry screens have always looked good." }, { "start": 3854.28, "end": 3855.76, "text": " Yeah, this looks exceptionally well." }, { "start": 3855.76, "end": 3860.56, "text": " This looks like the best BlackBerry there's been, which is not saying much in this day" }, { "start": 3860.56, "end": 3861.56, "text": " and age." }, { "start": 3861.56, "end": 3864.1600000000003, "text": " But I will say they can dominate the physical keyboard market." }, { "start": 3864.1600000000003, "end": 3866.52, "text": " If people remember that and want to have that-" }, { "start": 3866.52, "end": 3867.52, "text": " If that market still exists." }, { "start": 3867.52, "end": 3869.52, "text": " If that market still exists, they own it." }, { "start": 3869.52, "end": 3872.36, "text": " Like it's a great piece of, you know, it's a great piece of hardware." }, { "start": 3872.36, "end": 3873.68, "text": " The keyboard did feel good in a little bit." }, { "start": 3873.68, "end": 3874.68, "text": " We played with it." }, { "start": 3874.68, "end": 3875.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3875.68, "end": 3876.68, "text": " And what else is there?" }, { "start": 3876.68, "end": 3877.68, "text": " It's BlackBerry with the keyboard." }, { "start": 3877.68, "end": 3878.68, "text": " That's all we really need to know." }, { "start": 3878.68, "end": 3879.68, "text": " Fair." }, { "start": 3879.68, "end": 3880.8, "text": " I mean-" }, { "start": 3880.8, "end": 3881.8, "text": " So final thoughts here." }, { "start": 3881.8, "end": 3883.36, "text": " We are wrapping this up." }, { "start": 3883.36, "end": 3884.36, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3884.36, "end": 3885.36, "text": " This is a battle for third place." }, { "start": 3885.36, "end": 3886.36, "text": " It is absolutely." }, { "start": 3886.36, "end": 3888.64, "text": " I don't think that they're going to take Android's market share away from them." }, { "start": 3888.64, "end": 3891.08, "text": " I don't think they're going to take the high end of the market away from Apple." }, { "start": 3891.08, "end": 3893.88, "text": " I think those are difficult problems to solve." }, { "start": 3893.88, "end": 3895.52, "text": " And I don't think BlackBerry even wants to." }, { "start": 3895.52, "end": 3897.36, "text": " Like they don't seem like they're trying to go for first." }, { "start": 3897.36, "end": 3898.36, "text": " They want to settle into a-" }, { "start": 3898.36, "end": 3899.6400000000003, "text": " They want to survive." }, { "start": 3899.6400000000003, "end": 3900.6400000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3900.6400000000003, "end": 3901.6400000000003, "text": " And I will say this." }, { "start": 3901.6400000000003, "end": 3906.1200000000003, "text": " On the last Apple, Apple always makes a big point of how well they're doing in enterprise," }, { "start": 3906.1200000000003, "end": 3907.1200000000003, "text": " right?" }, { "start": 3907.1200000000003, "end": 3911.2000000000003, "text": " And they do it to tweak, and they do it every event, they do it on every earnings call," }, { "start": 3911.2000000000003, "end": 3914.92, "text": " and they do it to tweak not only Microsoft, but to point out that they have effectively" }, { "start": 3914.92, "end": 3916.52, "text": " killed the BlackBerry in enterprise, right?" }, { "start": 3916.52, "end": 3920.28, "text": " With bringing your own device, or you have an iPhone now, whatever's happening." }, { "start": 3920.28, "end": 3924.48, "text": " There's a huge potential market here for BlackBerry with balance with this thing where you have" }, { "start": 3924.48, "end": 3927.1600000000003, "text": " different profiles for work and personal." }, { "start": 3927.16, "end": 3930.52, "text": " There's a big potential market for them to go back to their former enterprise customers" }, { "start": 3930.52, "end": 3933.7999999999997, "text": " and say, look, we're back with a phone that's compatible with the iPhone, but it's far more" }, { "start": 3933.7999999999997, "end": 3936.72, "text": " secure and more familiar to you, Mr. CIO." }, { "start": 3936.72, "end": 3939.12, "text": " And did they make that argument today when they were at the live event?" }, { "start": 3939.12, "end": 3940.12, "text": " They did a little bit." }, { "start": 3940.12, "end": 3941.44, "text": " I mean, they did spend a lot of time on the enterprise." }, { "start": 3941.44, "end": 3943.7599999999998, "text": " They touched base on this whole bring your own device trend." }, { "start": 3943.7599999999998, "end": 3945.72, "text": " And they're saying, we need to bring this back." }, { "start": 3945.72, "end": 3948.44, "text": " I think BlackBerry balance is one of those things they want to do is like, this is your" }, { "start": 3948.44, "end": 3951.56, "text": " personal life, this is your business life." }, { "start": 3951.56, "end": 3955.8599999999997, "text": " And both are very secure and separated, so you can have everything you want in one device." }, { "start": 3955.86, "end": 3959.2200000000003, "text": " It's no more like carrying your BlackBerry and then carrying this fun device that you" }, { "start": 3959.2200000000003, "end": 3960.2200000000003, "text": " actually want to use." }, { "start": 3960.2200000000003, "end": 3961.2200000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3961.2200000000003, "end": 3965.88, "text": " They're trying to say this is a single ubiquitous device that your IT professionals will love" }, { "start": 3965.88, "end": 3967.36, "text": " and you will hopefully enjoy yourself." }, { "start": 3967.36, "end": 3971.04, "text": " I mean, your IT professionals will love this device." }, { "start": 3971.04, "end": 3972.04, "text": " You know that's what they want." }, { "start": 3972.04, "end": 3973.04, "text": " It's a sad argument for the world." }, { "start": 3973.04, "end": 3977.36, "text": " It's a sad argument, but they're hoping it's an argument that actually works before bring" }, { "start": 3977.36, "end": 3980.2000000000003, "text": " your device completely eats them up." }, { "start": 3980.2000000000003, "end": 3981.44, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3981.44, "end": 3982.44, "text": " So final thoughts." }, { "start": 3982.44, "end": 3985.6, "text": " You were at the event today and you got to play with the device a little bit." }, { "start": 3985.6, "end": 3987.56, "text": " We're holding one that I'm taking from you." }, { "start": 3987.56, "end": 3990.2, "text": " You mean that I'm taking back as soon as we're off the air." }, { "start": 3990.2, "end": 3991.2, "text": " There's a lot of-" }, { "start": 3991.2, "end": 3992.2, "text": " We're going to rattle." }, { "start": 3992.2, "end": 3993.2, "text": " There's a lot of anger." }, { "start": 3993.2, "end": 3994.2, "text": " Don't say that we're rassled." }, { "start": 3994.2, "end": 3995.2, "text": " It's done." }, { "start": 3995.2, "end": 3996.2, "text": " It's too late." }, { "start": 3996.2, "end": 4000.52, "text": " Tell me, wrap this up for me and I'll throw some knowledge to the world." }, { "start": 4000.52, "end": 4001.52, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 4001.52, "end": 4002.52, "text": " Wrap it up." }, { "start": 4002.52, "end": 4003.52, "text": " It's BlackBerry." }, { "start": 4003.52, "end": 4004.52, "text": " I'll say it's actually a compelling device." }, { "start": 4004.52, "end": 4007.7999999999997, "text": " I think we have a lot, actually a good chance of taking that third place." }, { "start": 4007.7999999999997, "end": 4008.7999999999997, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 4008.7999999999997, "end": 4012.08, "text": " And Microsoft's going to step up and really say we've got this whole ecosystem." }, { "start": 4012.08, "end": 4015.72, "text": " We have this whole weight behind it that BlackBerry just cannot do." }, { "start": 4015.72, "end": 4019.18, "text": " And then reclaim this enterprise market too because everyone's using Microsoft Office" }, { "start": 4019.18, "end": 4020.18, "text": " anyway." }, { "start": 4020.18, "end": 4021.18, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 4021.18, "end": 4025.7, "text": " But BlackBerry came out there and was like, we've got a great, this UI is actually interesting." }, { "start": 4025.7, "end": 4026.7, "text": " It's fun to use." }, { "start": 4026.7, "end": 4030.7599999999998, "text": " They don't have the apps, but they're clearly pushing harder than Microsoft has been." }, { "start": 4030.7599999999998, "end": 4032.2799999999997, "text": " You know what I thought was interesting?" }, { "start": 4032.2799999999997, "end": 4036.96, "text": " And this is sort of my final thought was when they started saying we're going to reboot" }, { "start": 4036.96, "end": 4040.72, "text": " BlackBerry, we're going to do BlackBerry 10, their line was this is like a revolutionary" }, { "start": 4040.72, "end": 4044.7999999999997, "text": " new way to use a phone and a revolutionary new way to do messages." }, { "start": 4044.7999999999997, "end": 4048.24, "text": " And they've backed all the way down to we have a hub." }, { "start": 4048.24, "end": 4049.24, "text": " Right?" }, { "start": 4049.24, "end": 4051.56, "text": " And I think that's an important point." }, { "start": 4051.56, "end": 4055.8799999999997, "text": " This is an interesting UI is no longer a sellable point." }, { "start": 4055.8799999999997, "end": 4058.7599999999998, "text": " I don't think you can go to the mass market and be like, this is an interesting UI." }, { "start": 4058.7599999999998, "end": 4062.7999999999997, "text": " I think you can say to people probably watching this, I think you can say to us, here are" }, { "start": 4062.7999999999997, "end": 4064.4599999999996, "text": " some new gestures that are interesting." }, { "start": 4064.4599999999996, "end": 4069, "text": " But what you really have to say is this makes your life better in these tangible ways." }, { "start": 4069, "end": 4070.56, "text": " And I think some of that stuff is here." }, { "start": 4070.56, "end": 4075.36, "text": " I think some of their ideas about messaging, especially I think the notification hub kind" }, { "start": 4075.36, "end": 4078.24, "text": " of coalescing I think for a lot of people will be very interesting." }, { "start": 4078.24, "end": 4080.68, "text": " But they've got to figure out exactly what that message is." }, { "start": 4080.68, "end": 4082.52, "text": " So they can go to the mass market." }, { "start": 4082.52, "end": 4084.52, "text": " They can run their ad on the Super Bowl." }, { "start": 4084.52, "end": 4089.32, "text": " And they can say this phone versus this, these two things look the same." }, { "start": 4089.32, "end": 4091.48, "text": " Here's why this one is better." }, { "start": 4091.48, "end": 4092.48, "text": " Right?" }, { "start": 4092.48, "end": 4093.48, "text": " And they really do look the same." }, { "start": 4093.48, "end": 4096.84, "text": " Like those app icons, like that basic sense of like you're holding something that's very" }, { "start": 4096.84, "end": 4098.76, "text": " familiar is just going to be there." }, { "start": 4098.76, "end": 4099.76, "text": " Right?" }, { "start": 4099.76, "end": 4105.12, "text": " So they need to show exactly why this one is literally ahead of the other one." }, { "start": 4105.12, "end": 4106.12, "text": " And here's the thing." }, { "start": 4106.12, "end": 4108.360000000001, "text": " You're saying like it's actually I want to take back." }, { "start": 4108.360000000001, "end": 4111.76, "text": " This is not like a fight for third place because it's iPhone atop." }, { "start": 4111.76, "end": 4112.76, "text": " It's Android." }, { "start": 4112.76, "end": 4115.3, "text": " And there's so many different versions of Android out there that are actually fighting" }, { "start": 4115.3, "end": 4116.84, "text": " for second, third, and fourth place." }, { "start": 4116.84, "end": 4117.84, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 4117.84, "end": 4118.84, "text": " Like there's clear Android." }, { "start": 4118.84, "end": 4119.84, "text": " There's TouchWiz." }, { "start": 4119.84, "end": 4120.84, "text": " There's Samsung's variant." }, { "start": 4120.84, "end": 4121.84, "text": " I mean I think these Android OEMs." }, { "start": 4121.84, "end": 4122.84, "text": " TouchWiz is Samsung's variant." }, { "start": 4122.84, "end": 4123.84, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 4123.84, "end": 4124.84, "text": " What did I say?" }, { "start": 4124.84, "end": 4125.84, "text": " You said TouchWiz." }, { "start": 4125.84, "end": 4126.84, "text": " It's fine." }, { "start": 4126.84, "end": 4127.84, "text": " There's basically TouchWiz." }, { "start": 4127.84, "end": 4128.84, "text": " It's basically TouchWiz and regular Android." }, { "start": 4128.84, "end": 4133.16, "text": " And then, yeah, it's almost a fourth place fight because what you want to do, whatever" }, { "start": 4133.16, "end": 4135.2, "text": " they can show in terms of gestures, you're right." }, { "start": 4135.2, "end": 4136.2, "text": " Android can do it." }, { "start": 4136.2, "end": 4137.84, "text": " Or someone will make Android do it." }, { "start": 4137.84, "end": 4138.84, "text": " It's an open platform." }, { "start": 4138.84, "end": 4142.88, "text": " So really it's kind of weird to say Android's second place when it's all these companies" }, { "start": 4142.88, "end": 4144.360000000001, "text": " interpreting Android their own way." }, { "start": 4144.360000000001, "end": 4145.360000000001, "text": " Market share." }, { "start": 4145.360000000001, "end": 4146.360000000001, "text": " It's market share." }, { "start": 4146.360000000001, "end": 4147.360000000001, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 4147.360000000001, "end": 4148.360000000001, "text": " But there's a lot of Android out there." }, { "start": 4148.360000000001, "end": 4149.76, "text": " And I think that brand is strong." }, { "start": 4149.76, "end": 4155.72, "text": " When I see ads in the taxi for like a newscaster who has an app, he's like it's for your iPhone" }, { "start": 4155.72, "end": 4156.72, "text": " or Android." }, { "start": 4156.72, "end": 4157.72, "text": " And that's what that is." }, { "start": 4157.72, "end": 4161.76, "text": " So you can never say it's for your Samsung or your Motorola or it's just Android." }, { "start": 4161.76, "end": 4162.76, "text": " There's this massive Android out there." }, { "start": 4162.76, "end": 4163.76, "text": " No." }, { "start": 4163.76, "end": 4166, "text": " You can get whichever Android phone you want and it has some variations, but the app store" }, { "start": 4166, "end": 4169.08, "text": " is huge and it's ubiquitous." }, { "start": 4169.08, "end": 4171.16, "text": " And you've got to justify your apps are better than someone else's." }, { "start": 4171.16, "end": 4173.64, "text": " And we just saw them catching up." }, { "start": 4173.64, "end": 4176.72, "text": " And not quite there yet either, but they're catching up to other people's apps." }, { "start": 4176.72, "end": 4177.72, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 4177.72, "end": 4180.96, "text": " Well, if you're a BlackBerry user, you were once a BlackBerry user." }, { "start": 4180.96, "end": 4183.360000000001, "text": " Like for like a year." }, { "start": 4183.360000000001, "end": 4184.360000000001, "text": " Would this bring you back?" }, { "start": 4184.360000000001, "end": 4185.360000000001, "text": " No." }, { "start": 4185.360000000001, "end": 4186.360000000001, "text": " No." }, { "start": 4186.360000000001, "end": 4187.360000000001, "text": " No." }, { "start": 4187.36, "end": 4188.36, "text": " No." }, { "start": 4188.36, "end": 4189.36, "text": " So look, that's the end of our live stream for the day." }, { "start": 4189.36, "end": 4193.08, "text": " There's a lot of content on the verge, a lot of hands-on, a lot of analysis." }, { "start": 4193.08, "end": 4194.44, "text": " We're going to do some reports." }, { "start": 4194.44, "end": 4198.98, "text": " If you haven't read Josh's review, you should definitely go and look at that." }, { "start": 4198.98, "end": 4202.04, "text": " We ran a video a bit earlier, but if you missed that, you should definitely go and watch the" }, { "start": 4202.04, "end": 4203.04, "text": " video." }, { "start": 4203.04, "end": 4204.16, "text": " It's very illuminating." }, { "start": 4204.16, "end": 4205.92, "text": " But that is, here's the BlackBerry Z10." }, { "start": 4205.92, "end": 4206.92, "text": " We have it." }, { "start": 4206.92, "end": 4208.759999999999, "text": " It is launched." }, { "start": 4208.759999999999, "end": 4214.139999999999, "text": " The time has come for you to move your thumb in a circle to see notifications." }, { "start": 4214.139999999999, "end": 4215.139999999999, "text": " David is there." }, { "start": 4215.139999999999, "end": 4216.139999999999, "text": " Goodbye, David." }, { "start": 4216.139999999999, "end": 4217.139999999999, "text": " I'm sorry that you were cast away." }, { "start": 4217.14, "end": 4218.14, "text": " All right, folks." }, { "start": 4218.14, "end": 4222.08, "text": " If you have any more questions and stuff, we actually, we have a BlackBerry hub and" }, { "start": 4222.08, "end": 4226.72, "text": " a BlackBerry forum that hopefully we'll begin to see any visitors whatsoever." }, { "start": 4226.72, "end": 4227.72, "text": " For the first time in months." }, { "start": 4227.72, "end": 4228.72, "text": " For the first time in months." }, { "start": 4228.72, "end": 4229.72, "text": " I'm excited." }, { "start": 4229.72, "end": 4230.72, "text": " I want to see what they do with it." }, { "start": 4230.72, "end": 4231.72, "text": " But there's a lot going on." }, { "start": 4231.72, "end": 4234.200000000001, "text": " This thing is on sale in the UK right now, or tomorrow." }, { "start": 4234.200000000001, "end": 4238.68, "text": " Tomorrow on sale after Super Bowl adverts in March in the US." }, { "start": 4238.68, "end": 4241.84, "text": " So for the meantime, all of your BlackBerry stuff here at the verge." }, { "start": 4241.84, "end": 4270.96, "text": " Thanks a lot for watching." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 4.82, "text": " It's Wednesday, January 30th, 2013. I'm Adrienne Jeffries and up the Aerie Mountain," }, { "start": 4.82, "end": 8.72, "text": " down the Rushy Glen, this is 90 seconds on the verge, presented by Ford." }, { "start": 8.72, "end": 13.040000000000001, "text": " Research in Motion is dead. Long live Blackberry. The long running brand is now one with the" }, { "start": 13.040000000000001, "end": 16.84, "text": " company that stewards it. That's just one of many revelations from today's big event," }, { "start": 16.84, "end": 19.56, "text": " which is being called the official launch of Blackberry 10." }, { "start": 19.56, "end": 23.52, "text": " On one hand, the all-touch screen Z10 is a pretty good smartphone, but doesn't necessarily" }, { "start": 23.52, "end": 29, "text": " stand out from the competition. The Q10, however, has a classic Blackberry physical keyboard," }, { "start": 29, "end": 32.92, "text": " and won't be out until April. Nobody said third place would be easy." }, { "start": 32.92, "end": 37.8, "text": " Speaking of runners up, Nokia is finally rolling out Windows Phone 7.8 to its Lumia lineup." }, { "start": 37.8, "end": 41.42, "text": " The update adds a number of Windows Phone 8 features, including resizable live tiles" }, { "start": 41.42, "end": 47.519999999999996, "text": " and some new iconography. It's coming to the Lumia 510, 610, 710, 800, and 900. All" }, { "start": 47.519999999999996, "end": 51.56, "text": " phones that were released before Windows Phone 8 and subsequently will not be getting upgraded" }, { "start": 51.56, "end": 56.84, "text": " further. No word yet on whether Samsung and HTC's Bronze Age Windows phones will be getting" }, { "start": 56.84, "end": 57.84, "text": " upgraded." }, { "start": 57.84, "end": 62.56, "text": " And Netflix's top brass had some tough talk for cable's premiere premium channel. Speaking" }, { "start": 62.56, "end": 67.44, "text": " to GQ, the company's chief content officer said the goal is to, quote, become HBO faster" }, { "start": 67.44, "end": 72.32000000000001, "text": " than HBO can become us. This week, the company is launching David Fincher's House of Cards," }, { "start": 72.32000000000001, "end": 77.44, "text": " an exclusive series starring Kevin Spacey. Netflix plans to stream six original exclusive" }, { "start": 77.44, "end": 82.08000000000001, "text": " series this year, including Eli Roth's Hemlock Grove and the revived Arrested Development." }, { "start": 82.08000000000001, "end": 85.98, "text": " That's it for today's top stories. Tune in tomorrow for our in-depth investigative look" }, { "start": 85.98, "end": 88.84, "text": " at the seedy underworld of beachfront fruit distribution." } ]

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in some ways kind of detracts from what RIM" }, { "start": 440.58, "end": 442.44, "text": " is doing with BlackBerry 10." }, { "start": 442.44, "end": 446.96, "text": " The Z10 is going to be available for $199 on contract." }, { "start": 446.96, "end": 449.24, "text": " Overall the Z10 is a fine device." }, { "start": 449.24, "end": 454.48, "text": " It's even a very good device and BlackBerry 10 is a very good mobile operating system." }, { "start": 454.48, "end": 460.04, "text": " I think it's extremely capable and I'm excited about what it's going to develop into." }, { "start": 460.04, "end": 464.6, "text": " The bottom line is that it's a good phone but it's lacking a killer app or killer piece" }, { "start": 464.6, "end": 473.40000000000003, "text": " of functionality that's going to sway most buyers from Android, iOS or Windows Phone." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 7.16, "text": " It's Tuesday, January 29th, 2013. I'm Ross Miller. Hold your breath. Make a wish. Count to 90." }, { "start": 7.2, "end": 13.26, "text": " This is 90 seconds on the verge presented by Ford. The newest version of office launched today available either as a standalone product or as" }, { "start": 13.26, "end": 18.8, "text": " part of Microsoft's office 365 subscription service. In a break from the past, however, it's download only." }, { "start": 18.8, "end": 24.94, "text": " You can choose from home and student, home and business, office professional a la carte, or subscription offices from the home, enterprise, or university settings." }, { "start": 24.94, "end": 27.32, "text": " Not to worry that pricing matrix is available online." }, { "start": 27.32, "end": 33.7, "text": " It's Excel only. Meanwhile, Apple has turned another page in its one-company crusade to end the world of all-adult entertainment." }, { "start": 34.5, "end": 36.5, "text": " 500 pixels is back in the App Store." }, { "start": 36.74, "end": 42.82, "text": " Cupertino pulled the application last week due to complaints that users could easily access pornographic imagery. What got it back?" }, { "start": 42.82, "end": 49.86, "text": " A 17 plus rating and a new button to make it simpler to report offensive pictures. And as for Twitter's new Vine app, the obvious porn" }, { "start": 49.86, "end": 52.620000000000005, "text": " service that shows up the occasional save-for-work content," }, { "start": 52.62, "end": 59.14, "text": " that's 12 and up. Finally, Disney is prepping a retro future movie from the creators of Lost. The movie is named Tomorrowland," }, { "start": 59.14, "end": 61.14, "text": " just like the area in Disney's own theme parks." }, { "start": 61.14, "end": 66.25999999999999, "text": " It's been written by Damon Lindelof and will be directed by Brad Bird of The Incredibles fame. The plot's hush-hush for now," }, { "start": 66.25999999999999, "end": 70.62, "text": " but according to Lindelof, he got the idea after coming across a box in Disney's archives simply marked" }, { "start": 71.25999999999999, "end": 77.82, "text": " 1952. Will time travel paradoxes play a pivotal role? Will George Clooney have a Walt Disney mustache? Will this be better than Haunted Mansion?" }, { "start": 78.46, "end": 81.18, "text": " Some of these questions and more will be answered in December" }, { "start": 81.18, "end": 88.56, "text": " 2014. And that's it for today's top stories. Madame and Monsieur, now let's go on a little rocket-belt trip." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 6.24, "text": " Hey, welcome to the Verge Mobile Show." }, { "start": 6.24, "end": 7.24, "text": " We're back." }, { "start": 7.24, "end": 8.24, "text": " It's exciting." }, { "start": 8.24, "end": 11.24, "text": " And I am Dieter Bohm." }, { "start": 11.24, "end": 12.24, "text": " I'm Dan Seifert." }, { "start": 12.24, "end": 14.74, "text": " And I'm Chris Ziegler." }, { "start": 14.74, "end": 17.76, "text": " And this is episode 34, if you're wondering, and I know you were." }, { "start": 17.76, "end": 20.76, "text": " It's the week of January 28, 2013." }, { "start": 20.76, "end": 24.240000000000002, "text": " I know you cared a lot about that information as well." }, { "start": 24.24, "end": 31.04, "text": " And we are in the post-CES, pre-Mobile World Congress, I would say doldrums, but we've" }, { "start": 31.04, "end": 34.44, "text": " got a ton of stuff that has popped this week." }, { "start": 34.44, "end": 36.44, "text": " And I'm actually kind of surprised." }, { "start": 36.44, "end": 37.44, "text": " We've got BlackBerry hitting tomorrow." }, { "start": 37.44, "end": 38.44, "text": " We've got Nokia rumors." }, { "start": 38.44, "end": 39.44, "text": " We've got HTC rumors." }, { "start": 39.44, "end": 41.44, "text": " We've got an HTC event." }, { "start": 41.44, "end": 44.44, "text": " We've got just a ton of stuff to talk about." }, { "start": 44.44, "end": 49.64, "text": " Actually, Dieter, I'm going to challenge your statement that this is episode 34." }, { "start": 49.64, "end": 52.64, "text": " I believe that I misread that." }, { "start": 52.64, "end": 54.52, "text": " I believe that I misread." }, { "start": 54.52, "end": 57.28, "text": " I just read whoever handled the show notes." }, { "start": 57.28, "end": 59.56, "text": " I believe this is episode 35." }, { "start": 59.56, "end": 60.56, "text": " I believe." }, { "start": 60.56, "end": 64.32, "text": " Don't quote me on that, but I think, yeah." }, { "start": 64.32, "end": 65.84, "text": " You weren't here last week." }, { "start": 65.84, "end": 67.16, "text": " To you it is episode 34." }, { "start": 67.16, "end": 70.8, "text": " Well, why did somebody not update the show notes?" }, { "start": 70.8, "end": 71.8, "text": " Our notes are-" }, { "start": 71.8, "end": 75.76, "text": " This is really important for all our listeners." }, { "start": 75.76, "end": 78.48, "text": " Our notes are counting CES as not a number." }, { "start": 78.48, "end": 79.48, "text": " The show we did on CES." }, { "start": 79.48, "end": 80.48, "text": " That's garbage." }, { "start": 80.48, "end": 81.48, "text": " That's ridiculous." }, { "start": 81.48, "end": 83.2, "text": " We need to fix that." }, { "start": 83.2, "end": 88.44, "text": " We would have all of our live listeners complaining to us, but we're not running the chat this" }, { "start": 88.44, "end": 89.44, "text": " week." }, { "start": 89.44, "end": 91.60000000000001, "text": " It also isn't running, I believe, on the Verge cast." }, { "start": 91.60000000000001, "end": 95.68, "text": " There's problems with that chat." }, { "start": 95.68, "end": 99.9, "text": " You can still email us, vergemobileshow at theverge.com." }, { "start": 99.9, "end": 102.24000000000001, "text": " You can also tweet at us, or you can post comments." }, { "start": 102.24000000000001, "end": 104.72, "text": " Don't go crazy, guys." }, { "start": 104.72, "end": 105.72, "text": " Come on." }, { "start": 105.72, "end": 108.22, "text": " You don't have that much to say, really." }, { "start": 108.22, "end": 109.22, "text": " You know what they should do?" }, { "start": 109.22, "end": 113.88, "text": " You know what our listeners should do is they should start their own Google Hangout in parallel" }, { "start": 113.88, "end": 114.88, "text": " to ours." }, { "start": 114.88, "end": 115.88, "text": " Whoa." }, { "start": 115.88, "end": 121.03999999999999, "text": " And they all hang out and chat and video chat with one another while we're doing the show" }, { "start": 121.03999999999999, "end": 122.03999999999999, "text": " live." }, { "start": 122.03999999999999, "end": 123.03999999999999, "text": " A shadow hangout?" }, { "start": 123.03999999999999, "end": 124.03999999999999, "text": " Yeah, a shadow hangout." }, { "start": 124.03999999999999, "end": 125.64, "text": " That'd be pretty insane." }, { "start": 125.64, "end": 127.2, "text": " Pretty awesome idea." }, { "start": 127.2, "end": 129.32, "text": " Anyway, yeah." }, { "start": 129.32, "end": 135.2, "text": " So it's a surprisingly busy week in news, and we've got a lot of stuff to talk about," }, { "start": 135.2, "end": 137.2, "text": " which I've said like eight times." }, { "start": 137.2, "end": 141.48, "text": " So I don't see why we don't just start doing that unless we want to hear Chris talk about" }, { "start": 141.48, "end": 144.35999999999999, "text": " how he sucks at getting his computer fixed." }, { "start": 144.35999999999999, "end": 147, "text": " No, I don't suck at getting my computer fixed." }, { "start": 147, "end": 148, "text": " It is fixed." }, { "start": 148, "end": 152.28, "text": " I was just explaining before the show that I meant to pick it up." }, { "start": 152.28, "end": 153.95999999999998, "text": " It's ready for pickup at the Apple Store." }, { "start": 153.95999999999998, "end": 158.12, "text": " I meant to pick it up last night, and so I started wandering through Chicago on my way" }, { "start": 158.12, "end": 163.12, "text": " to the Apple Store, and I got sidetracked by one of my favorite coffee shops, Intelligentsia." }, { "start": 163.12, "end": 164.12, "text": " Was it open?" }, { "start": 164.12, "end": 166.12, "text": " Yes, it was open." }, { "start": 166.12, "end": 170.76, "text": " It was open." }, { "start": 170.76, "end": 174.88, "text": " For those of you who live in LA or Chicago, you know that Intelligentsia is some of the" }, { "start": 174.88, "end": 175.88, "text": " finest coffee in the world." }, { "start": 175.88, "end": 180.96, "text": " So I stopped in and then started working on a review that I can't talk about with you," }, { "start": 180.96, "end": 181.96, "text": " unfortunately." }, { "start": 181.96, "end": 188.4, "text": " And then, next thing you know, a couple hours pass, and the Apple Store closes." }, { "start": 188.4, "end": 189.4, "text": " What is going on?" }, { "start": 189.4, "end": 190.4, "text": " Is that a pre-three?" }, { "start": 190.4, "end": 191.4, "text": " Nothing." }, { "start": 191.4, "end": 192.4, "text": " Maybe." }, { "start": 192.4, "end": 193.4, "text": " What's happening?" }, { "start": 193.4, "end": 194.4, "text": " I'm just trolling you." }, { "start": 194.4, "end": 198.68, "text": " I showed up the mirror on a pre-three on my camera here." }, { "start": 198.68, "end": 199.68, "text": " Oh my god." }, { "start": 199.68, "end": 201.08, "text": " Raised it up a little bit." }, { "start": 201.08, "end": 203.88, "text": " Get that pre-three out of my face." }, { "start": 203.88, "end": 205.52, "text": " I have not put pieces in it." }, { "start": 205.52, "end": 207.72, "text": " I was thinking about it, but I haven't done it yet." }, { "start": 207.72, "end": 210.08, "text": " I don't even know if the services still work." }, { "start": 210.08, "end": 215.12, "text": " I probably need to do a doctor on it to get it going properly." }, { "start": 215.12, "end": 217.64000000000001, "text": " Every year you should review the pre-three." }, { "start": 217.64000000000001, "end": 218.64000000000001, "text": " Just pretend like it's a new phone." }, { "start": 218.64000000000001, "end": 219.64000000000001, "text": " Just be like, pre-three review." }, { "start": 219.64, "end": 230.07999999999998, "text": " Well, WebOS Nation did a state of open WebOS after a year last week, and it's a pretty" }, { "start": 230.07999999999998, "end": 231.07999999999998, "text": " solid state of affairs." }, { "start": 231.07999999999998, "end": 232.07999999999998, "text": " I would imagine." }, { "start": 232.07999999999998, "end": 236.83999999999997, "text": " They're running on some Galaxy Nexus hardware, but they don't have 3D acceleration going." }, { "start": 236.83999999999997, "end": 238.6, "text": " They can't get it buffers right yet." }, { "start": 238.6, "end": 241.92, "text": " So they're working on it, but HP's not doing anything." }, { "start": 241.92, "end": 246.72, "text": " Anyway, we should talk about new stuff, stuff that actually is going to be relevant and" }, { "start": 246.72, "end": 247.72, "text": " important ever." }, { "start": 247.72, "end": 249.72, "text": " Burn." }, { "start": 249.72, "end": 251.64, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 251.64, "end": 260.88, "text": " So HTC just today invited us to go to an event on the 19th of February in both New York and" }, { "start": 260.88, "end": 263.28, "text": " London, I believe simultaneously." }, { "start": 263.28, "end": 264.28, "text": " Is that right?" }, { "start": 264.28, "end": 265.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 265.28, "end": 266.28, "text": " They should be concurrent." }, { "start": 266.28, "end": 267.28, "text": " Yep." }, { "start": 267.28, "end": 268.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 268.28, "end": 271.96, "text": " And so, I mean, there's two really big interesting things about that." }, { "start": 271.96, "end": 276.56, "text": " One is whatever the big, huge, interesting thing is that they're going to announce." }, { "start": 276.56, "end": 282.72, "text": " For the first time I can remember in a while, HTC isn't trying to make a big announcement" }, { "start": 282.72, "end": 283.72, "text": " at World Congress." }, { "start": 283.72, "end": 284.72, "text": " I mean, maybe I'm wrong." }, { "start": 284.72, "end": 289.56, "text": " Maybe they've got plenty that they're saving up for World Congress that I'm just not expecting." }, { 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little bit different from CES where you know that you're going to be able to still" }, { "start": 331.12, "end": 335.36, "text": " cobble together a really fascinating narrative about the goings on and consuming electronics." }, { "start": 335.36, "end": 341.56, "text": " MWC is so phone focused that without these anchor announcements it makes you wonder what" }, { "start": 341.56, "end": 343.02, "text": " the show is going to become." }, { "start": 343.02, "end": 348.76, "text": " And I think that what is going to happen in the short term is it's going to be seeded" }, { "start": 348.76, "end": 352.56, "text": " to the Chinese companies and the Taiwanese companies." }, { "start": 352.56, "end": 355.68, "text": " You're going to see Huawei and ZTE do interesting things, right?" }, { "start": 355.68, "end": 361.32, "text": " So it's interesting that HTC is deciding to, what we're presuming is separating itself from" }, { "start": 361.32, "end": 366.76, "text": " the main MWC event 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"start": 507.12, "end": 511.3, "text": " You guys know my pet theory that the phone that wins that's not called the iPhone is" }, { "start": 511.3, "end": 516.32, "text": " whatever phone Verizon decides to throw its marketing weight behind." }, { "start": 516.32, "end": 522.08, "text": " I mean we saw AT&T try to do it with 920 and it did fine, but it wasn't a barn burner." }, { "start": 522.08, "end": 529.36, "text": " So even if HTC managed to score major coups and got a bunch of support from carriers," }, { "start": 529.36, "end": 534.2, "text": " especially in the US, there's only so much support to go around." }, { "start": 534.2, "end": 541.12, "text": " So HTC really has to completely knock us off our feet for this thing to have a huge impact," }, { "start": 541.12, "end": 544.8000000000001, "text": " especially going up against the Galaxy S3 and the iPhone 5." }, { "start": 544.8000000000001, "end": 550.44, "text": " So I think that with this device, let's assume that what 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}, { "start": 620.8399999999999, "end": 621.8399999999999, "text": " I'm totally sorry." }, { "start": 621.8399999999999, "end": 624.8399999999999, "text": " A happier design, yes." }, { "start": 624.8399999999999, "end": 630.68, "text": " Yeah, but Samsung just, I mean we've seen, there was a story a couple weeks ago or three" }, { "start": 630.68, "end": 636.0799999999999, "text": " weeks ago about how much, just how much marketing money Samsung throws behind the Galaxy S3." }, { "start": 636.0799999999999, "end": 642.16, "text": " It's insane and against that juggernaut, I mean there's only so much that HTC can do" }, { "start": 642.16, "end": 645.68, "text": " and the best thing they can do is have an amazing device and that's what they need to" }, { "start": 645.68, "end": 647.56, "text": " show us on the 19th." }, { "start": 647.56, "end": 653.16, "text": " So it needs to be an amazing device and amazing software because with all things considered" }, { "start": 653.16, "end": 657.1999999999999, "text": " last year with the One X we all pretty much agreed that it was an amazing device hardware" }, { "start": 657.2, "end": 660.48, "text": " wise but we were let down by the software." }, { "start": 660.48, "end": 665.84, "text": " So if HTC is able to improve Sense enough with this Sense 5 that we've seen leaked numerous" }, { "start": 665.84, "end": 671.1600000000001, "text": " times now to bring the software up to the level that the hardware is likely going to" }, { "start": 671.1600000000001, "end": 677.6400000000001, "text": " be at based on history then that would be its best fighting chance for sure." }, { "start": 677.6400000000001, "end": 685.24, "text": " Yeah I remain cautiously optimistic that Sense 5 is going to be a very compelling skin and" }, { "start": 685.24, "end": 691.32, "text": " I know that Vlad disagrees with me but he's not on the show this week so he can stop it." }, { "start": 691.32, "end": 696.24, "text": " I think that Sense 5, the leaks we've seen, we've seen precious little of this UI but" }, { "start": 696.24, "end": 699.6800000000001, "text": " from what I've seen I'm cautiously optimistic that they're moving in the right direction." }, { "start": 699.6800000000001, "end": 705.08, "text": " I know that I've said that before, I said it was Sense 4 but this is definitely a noted" }, { "start": 705.08, "end": 711.6, "text": " improvement and it looks the most different, it looks like the biggest evolutionary jump" }, { "start": 711.6, "end": 719.32, "text": " in Sense since the introduction of Sense on Android with 1.6 I think." }, { "start": 719.32, "end": 720.32, "text": " Yeah okay." }, { "start": 720.32, "end": 725, "text": " I don't know, obviously we'll have to see when it's launched but I think that might" }, { "start": 725, "end": 727.4, "text": " be a stretch to say Chris." }, { "start": 727.4, "end": 730.8000000000001, "text": " Yeah well put your money where your mouth is." }, { "start": 730.8000000000001, "end": 736.6800000000001, "text": " $5 says that Sense 5 is better than Sense 4." }, { "start": 736.6800000000001, "end": 739.1600000000001, "text": " $5 American dollars." }, { "start": 739.1600000000001, "end": 740.1600000000001, "text": " $5 American dollars." }, { "start": 740.16, "end": 743.16, "text": " I should say that Sense 5 is better than Sense 4." }, { "start": 743.16, "end": 745.0799999999999, "text": " I don't know if I'll take that bet." }, { "start": 745.0799999999999, "end": 747.04, "text": " Oh snap, okay that's…" }, { "start": 747.04, "end": 753.8, "text": " I'll say, no no because you're saying that Sense 5 is going to be the biggest evolutionary" }, { "start": 753.8, "end": 759.52, "text": " leap since the original Sense and I think Sense 3.6 to Sense 4 was a huge difference," }, { "start": 759.52, "end": 760.8399999999999, "text": " like a huge dramatic leap." }, { "start": 760.8399999999999, "end": 767.1999999999999, "text": " Listen, you guys, we're not talking about the most important software and UI design" }, { "start": 767.2, "end": 771.5200000000001, "text": " story that we have right now with regard to HTC." }, { "start": 771.5200000000001, "end": 777.76, "text": " We really need to because it's a huge, it's a titanic shift in my thinking about how phones" }, { "start": 777.76, "end": 782.6400000000001, "text": " work and that's this new HTC mini Bluetooth phone." }, { "start": 782.6400000000001, "end": 789, "text": " Maybe as Chris mentioned earlier, there's this HTC is planning a one two punch, maybe" }, { "start": 789, "end": 792.96, "text": " this is the two punch coming to NWC." }, { "start": 792.96, "end": 797.6, "text": " If you're not familiar with what we're talking about, they're listed in China, right?" }, { "start": 797.6, "end": 801.9200000000001, "text": " They're bundling it with the butterfly in China and it is a little tiny phone with a" }, { "start": 801.9200000000001, "end": 805.12, "text": " little keypad and a little tiny screen and send and end things." }, { "start": 805.12, "end": 810.32, "text": " It's basically just a Bluetooth headset that has got some controls for like dialing and" }, { "start": 810.32, "end": 812.2, "text": " answering calls and what not." }, { "start": 812.2, "end": 813.2, "text": " And a display." }, { "start": 813.2, "end": 814.2, "text": " And a display." }, { "start": 814.2, "end": 819.52, "text": " It pairs up over NFC and it probably gets your contacts and stuff from the phone." }, { "start": 819.52, "end": 823.84, "text": " So the phone probably, you can send your contacts over Bluetooth, so it's basically like a Bluetooth" }, { "start": 823.84, "end": 827.04, "text": " car stereo basically." }, { "start": 827.04, "end": 838.04, "text": " And I mean, this is just, okay, there must be, there is some cultural context on it." }, { "start": 838.04, "end": 844.16, "text": " Look if the phone docked, you remember that old Verizon phone that had like an internal" }, { "start": 844.16, "end": 846.28, "text": " headset that you could pop out of it?" }, { "start": 846.28, "end": 847.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 847.28, "end": 854, "text": " If this HTC Mini docked inside the butterfly, I would be cool with it." }, { "start": 854, "end": 857.8399999999999, "text": " Which arguably enough, the butterfly is probably big enough to do this." }, { "start": 857.8399999999999, "end": 858.8399999999999, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 858.8399999999999, "end": 863.12, "text": " I would be able to get down with that." }, { "start": 863.12, "end": 866.64, "text": " You have nothing, there's nothing else to say about the Mini other than that." }, { "start": 866.64, "end": 872.8399999999999, "text": " Oh, and also if it played like the original Snake, that would be huge." }, { "start": 872.84, "end": 878, "text": " But I don't know if they'd be able to secure the rights from Nokia for that." }, { "start": 878, "end": 882.1600000000001, "text": " I mean it's, man, so many things that are wrong." }, { "start": 882.1600000000001, "end": 885.0400000000001, "text": " Another thing to charge, does it have a camera on it too?" }, { "start": 885.0400000000001, "end": 886.0400000000001, "text": " No." }, { "start": 886.0400000000001, "end": 890.4200000000001, "text": " It's got a hole that looks like a camera." }, { "start": 890.4200000000001, "end": 894.08, "text": " Can you use it as a remote control to control the main camera?" }, { "start": 894.08, "end": 895.08, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 895.08, "end": 897.9200000000001, "text": " It doubles as a remote shutter trigger for the butterfly's camera." }, { "start": 897.9200000000001, "end": 900.9200000000001, "text": " According to our coverage." }, { "start": 900.9200000000001, "end": 902.76, "text": " I want this thing in my life." }, { "start": 902.76, "end": 907.48, "text": " You know, it can't cost, as an accessory, it can't possibly cost more than like a hundred" }, { "start": 907.48, "end": 909, "text": " bucks, right?" }, { "start": 909, "end": 917.3199999999999, "text": " So you buy it at the same time that you buy your on-contract Droid DNA, for instance." }, { "start": 917.3199999999999, "end": 918.3199999999999, "text": " I'm down." }, { "start": 918.3199999999999, "end": 919.96, "text": " Count me in." }, { "start": 919.96, "end": 925.3199999999999, "text": " I'm on board this crazy train that HTC is pulling up to the station." }, { "start": 925.3199999999999, "end": 928.8, "text": " Count me in." }, { "start": 928.8, "end": 936.24, "text": " I have nothing else to say other than Godspeed you crazy train rider." }, { "start": 936.24, "end": 940.0799999999999, "text": " So RIM tomorrow, it's happening." }, { "start": 940.0799999999999, "end": 941.68, "text": " They're announcing BlackBerry 10." }, { "start": 941.68, "end": 944.68, "text": " They promised to have a couple more surprises." }, { "start": 944.68, "end": 947.16, "text": " They have a Super Bowl ad that they've teased." }, { "start": 947.16, "end": 950.88, "text": " They've already talked about the fact that they've got a bunch of movie studios on board" }, { "start": 950.88, "end": 954.3399999999999, "text": " to sell movies and rent movies." }, { "start": 954.3399999999999, "end": 958.28, "text": " We had a leak that it looks like, and this is the most interesting part, it looks like" }, { "start": 958.28, "end": 964.56, "text": " Vodafone in the UK might be selling this thing right away, the Z10." }, { "start": 964.56, "end": 965.56, "text": " That would be good." }, { "start": 965.56, "end": 967, "text": " That would be very good for them." }, { "start": 967, "end": 973.1, "text": " The last thing they need to do is to do a Microsoft Surface style announcement where" }, { "start": 973.1, "end": 977.92, "text": " they show a phone without any date or price and say, eh, this will come eventually." }, { "start": 977.92, "end": 980.8399999999999, "text": " They 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responding." }, { "start": 1174.24, "end": 1177.24, "text": " So it's all one big word." }, { "start": 1177.24, "end": 1182.72, "text": " Inserts.comment about thinking the Venue Pro is the greatest portrait slider." }, { "start": 1182.72, "end": 1189.24, "text": " Seriously, they need to take the chassis of that phone and just upgrade the..." }, { "start": 1189.24, "end": 1195.92, "text": " I mean, if they can keep the HD2 alive for a decade, they can certainly upgrade the Venue" }, { "start": 1195.92, "end": 1196.92, "text": " Pro." }, { "start": 1196.92, "end": 1198.68, "text": " Just drop whatever on it." }, { "start": 1198.68, "end": 1201.96, "text": " Put a jelly bean or put BlackBerry 10, I don't care." }, { "start": 1201.96, "end": 1203.1200000000001, "text": " Just put something on it." }, { "start": 1203.1200000000001, "end": 1206.68, "text": " Listen, RIM is the only company that cares about physical keyboards, period." }, { "start": 1206.68, "end": 1211.3600000000001, "text": " Right, which is what's so crazy about them releasing the touchscreen model first." }, { "start": 1211.36, "end": 1218.1599999999999, "text": " Especially given that all of their other touchscreen phones have been miserable, nightmarish pieces." }, { "start": 1218.1599999999999, "end": 1228.1599999999999, "text": " Dieter, I'm going to send you a link to Steve Jobs' keynote from Macworld 2007 when he introduced" }, { "start": 1228.1599999999999, "end": 1229.1599999999999, "text": " the iPhone." }, { "start": 1229.1599999999999, "end": 1230.1599999999999, "text": " Oh, really?" }, { "start": 1230.1599999999999, "end": 1231.1599999999999, "text": " I've never seen that." }, { "start": 1231.1599999999999, "end": 1232.1599999999999, "text": " Was it good?" }, { "start": 1232.1599999999999, "end": 1233.1599999999999, "text": " Did he..." }, { "start": 1233.1599999999999, "end": 1238.9599999999998, "text": " Well, he made some very interesting and I think important points about why 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there is nothing cooler than getting done with the call and hanging it" }, { "start": 1265.72, "end": 1266.72, "text": " up." }, { "start": 1266.72, "end": 1267.72, "text": " Just slamming the phone closed." }, { "start": 1267.72, "end": 1271.88, "text": " The weird thing about answering the phone and just popping it open, when you pop open" }, { "start": 1271.88, "end": 1274.76, "text": " a portrait slider, you're like, I'm going to get stuff done now." }, { "start": 1274.76, "end": 1278.1200000000001, "text": " I almost swore there." }, { "start": 1278.1200000000001, "end": 1281.28, "text": " And like, you know, slide to unlock, tap your little code in." }, { "start": 1281.28, "end": 1283.04, "text": " No, I just want to be like pow." }, { "start": 1283.04, "end": 1287.2, "text": " I guess that's all cool until the thing starts Oreo rotating on you." }, { "start": 1287.2, "end": 1291.96, "text": " No, but they did okay with the torch hardware, right?" }, { "start": 1291.96, "end": 1292.96, "text": " They did all right." }, { "start": 1292.96, "end": 1295.84, "text": " I mean, it wasn't the sexiest thing ever, but they did okay." }, { "start": 1295.84, "end": 1297.04, "text": " I guess the hardware was all right." }, { "start": 1297.04, "end": 1300.2, "text": " I mean, the screen was terribly, terrible." }, { "start": 1300.2, "end": 1303.68, "text": " And the software was obviously a nightmare." }, { "start": 1303.68, "end": 1311.56, "text": " The weird thing to me is that every carrier seems intent on offering one like crappy," }, { "start": 1311.56, "end": 1316.76, "text": " low to mid range landscape slider, but no one cares about the portrait slider." }, { "start": 1316.76, "end": 1317.76, "text": " Yeah, but who's doing that anymore?" }, { "start": 1317.76, "end": 1320.6399999999999, "text": " That's the last time you saw the crappy landscape slider." }, { "start": 1320.6399999999999, "end": 1326.72, "text": " I guarantee you that if you're T-Mobile and you go to Samsung and say, crap us out a landscape" }, { "start": 1326.72, "end": 1332.28, "text": " Android phone, Samsung is going to say, excuse me, I need to use the bathroom." }, { "start": 1332.28, "end": 1335.96, "text": " And they're going to come back five minutes later with a mid range landscape." }, { "start": 1335.96, "end": 1338.96, "text": " With the smiley." }, { "start": 1338.96, "end": 1341.56, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 1341.56, "end": 1344.24, "text": " Because that is the kind of service Samsung offers." }, { "start": 1344.24, "end": 1349.96, "text": " And the tragic thing about this is that at four inches or higher, landscape keyboards" }, { "start": 1349.96, "end": 1351.08, "text": " are just stupid." }, { "start": 1351.08, "end": 1352.08, "text": " There's no way to use them." }, { "start": 1352.08, "end": 1354.96, "text": " Yeah, I mean, a four inch landscape keyboard phone, man." }, { "start": 1354.96, "end": 1358.6000000000001, "text": " I mean, you got to take a lot of fiber to pull that off." }, { "start": 1358.6000000000001, "end": 1359.6000000000001, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 1359.6000000000001, "end": 1362.8400000000001, "text": " I mean, squeezing out, yeah, okay." }, { "start": 1362.8400000000001, "end": 1363.8400000000001, "text": " We can use the smiley." }, { "start": 1363.8400000000001, "end": 1364.8400000000001, "text": " I just." }, { "start": 1364.8400000000001, "end": 1365.8400000000001, "text": " You're talking about the emoticon." }, { "start": 1365.8400000000001, "end": 1366.8400000000001, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 1366.8400000000001, "end": 1367.8400000000001, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1367.8400000000001, "end": 1368.8400000000001, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1368.8400000000001, "end": 1369.8400000000001, "text": " That was amazing." }, { "start": 1369.8400000000001, "end": 1372.56, "text": " That was an Android, right?" }, { "start": 1372.56, "end": 1374.1200000000001, "text": " That was just running whatever." }, { "start": 1374.1200000000001, "end": 1375.1200000000001, "text": " That was an RTOS." }, { "start": 1375.1200000000001, "end": 1376.1200000000001, "text": " I think." }, { "start": 1376.1200000000001, "end": 1380.24, "text": " It probably has chat on it though." }, { "start": 1380.24, "end": 1383.24, "text": " Yeah, probably." }, { "start": 1383.24, "end": 1386.76, "text": " I'm just really proud that we brought Dan to tears." }, { "start": 1386.76, "end": 1390.76, "text": " That makes me." }, { "start": 1390.76, "end": 1391.76, "text": " What else?" }, { "start": 1391.76, "end": 1393.84, "text": " Nexus 4 is actually on sale for really real." }, { "start": 1393.84, "end": 1395.28, "text": " Dan mentioned before the show." }, { "start": 1395.28, "end": 1397.96, "text": " Tell us the joke you said because it was a funny joke." }, { "start": 1397.96, "end": 1400.38, "text": " I'm just double checking my sources here." }, { "start": 1400.38, "end": 1402.88, "text": " And my sources being the Play Store." }, { "start": 1402.88, "end": 1408.16, "text": " But as of the time that we went on air, you could still buy the Nexus 4 in the Play Store," }, { "start": 1408.16, "end": 1412.76, "text": " which means that it has been over four hours in a row that you've been able to place in" }, { "start": 1412.76, "end": 1417.92, "text": " order for the Nexus 4, which might be a new record by about three and a half hours." }, { "start": 1417.92, "end": 1421.08, "text": " Longest continuous availability of the Nexus 4 in the US ever." }, { "start": 1421.08, "end": 1422.08, "text": " And it is still available." }, { "start": 1422.08, "end": 1423.08, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 1423.08, "end": 1424.08, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 1424.08, "end": 1428.8799999999999, "text": " But it's like they must have been stockpiling inventory for the past 12 weeks." }, { "start": 1428.8799999999999, "end": 1434.9, "text": " I mean it had been so long since you could buy a Nexus 4 online that they must have just" }, { "start": 1434.9, "end": 1439.76, "text": " waited until they had an entire warehouse piled to the ceiling with these things and" }, { "start": 1439.76, "end": 1443.28, "text": " then they flipped the switch." }, { "start": 1443.28, "end": 1444.76, "text": " That's my only guess." }, { "start": 1444.76, "end": 1450.56, "text": " And you can buy the bumper now and obviously 8 and 16 gigabyte variations." }, { "start": 1450.56, "end": 1452.48, "text": " You still can't get the touchstone." }, { "start": 1452.48, "end": 1453.48, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1453.48, "end": 1456.56, "text": " And there's no charging orb." }, { "start": 1456.56, "end": 1460, "text": " You can 3D print your own charging orb dock." }, { "start": 1460, "end": 1463, "text": " It's not the full magnetic charge." }, { "start": 1463, "end": 1466.08, "text": " Instead of calling it the touchstone, they should have called it the Feel Rock." }, { "start": 1466.08, "end": 1467.92, "text": " They didn't call it a touchstone." }, { "start": 1467.92, "end": 1472.72, "text": " I know, I know, but I'm saying that they could have called it the Feel Rock and then it would" }, { "start": 1472.72, "end": 1474.72, "text": " have been like a synonym thing." }, { "start": 1474.72, "end": 1475.72, "text": " Never mind." }, { "start": 1475.72, "end": 1484.18, "text": " That just makes me think of LG and the Y screen, which is its variation of Samsung's Smart" }, { "start": 1484.18, "end": 1485.18, "text": " Stay." }, { "start": 1485.18, "end": 1491.78, "text": " We also saw a leak of a white Nexus 4, which looks fine." }, { "start": 1491.78, "end": 1493.0800000000002, "text": " I think all of us want it." }, { "start": 1493.0800000000002, "end": 1495.88, "text": " Yeah, we'd buy that." }, { "start": 1495.88, "end": 1500.48, "text": " Can you imagine if that had LTE, I would die on this phone." }, { "start": 1500.48, "end": 1501.48, "text": " I would just die." }, { "start": 1501.48, "end": 1502.48, "text": " I would perish." }, { "start": 1502.48, "end": 1509.1200000000001, "text": " I'm back on the Nexus 4 this week after having used the iPhone 5 for a couple of weeks." }, { "start": 1509.1200000000001, "end": 1516.2800000000002, "text": " The battery life isn't quite as ridiculously bad as I remember, but it's still not great." }, { "start": 1516.2800000000002, "end": 1520.64, "text": " I gave up and went down that dark hole of rooting it and putting a custom ROM on it" }, { "start": 1520.64, "end": 1521.64, "text": " just because of that." }, { "start": 1521.64, "end": 1522.64, "text": " Did you really?" }, { "start": 1522.64, "end": 1523.64, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1523.64, "end": 1524.64, "text": " Did it help?" }, { "start": 1524.64, "end": 1525.64, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1525.64, "end": 1526.64, "text": " I'm not sure what I got today." }, { "start": 1526.64, "end": 1528.8000000000002, "text": " I'm at 69%." }, { "start": 1528.8000000000002, "end": 1532.76, "text": " It's been off of the charger for 10 hours." }, { "start": 1532.76, "end": 1535.4, "text": " It sounds like you have a Nexus 4 Max." }, { "start": 1535.4, "end": 1537.24, "text": " Yeah, I'm at 69%." }, { "start": 1537.24, "end": 1542.0400000000002, "text": " I've been off since 6 a.m., so that's six, seven, eight hours." }, { "start": 1542.0400000000002, "end": 1544.88, "text": " Yeah, so you didn't have the same issues." }, { "start": 1544.88, "end": 1548.64, "text": " Mine would be dead by 3 p.m. if I hadn't done that." }, { "start": 1548.64, "end": 1552.5200000000002, "text": " I just want to point out that I was up at 6 a.m. yet again today." }, { "start": 1552.5200000000002, "end": 1554.64, "text": " I believe I called you." }, { "start": 1554.64, "end": 1555.64, "text": " You called me at 7." }, { "start": 1555.64, "end": 1556.64, "text": " I was already awake." }, { "start": 1556.64, "end": 1557.64, "text": " Oh, OK." }, { "start": 1557.64, "end": 1558.64, "text": " I called you at 6 though." }, { "start": 1558.64, "end": 1559.64, "text": " Right, yes." }, { "start": 1559.64, "end": 1560.64, "text": " You called me at 6 a.m." }, { "start": 1560.64, "end": 1561.64, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1561.64, "end": 1564.64, "text": " They just don't talk about the Nexus 4." }, { "start": 1564.64, "end": 1567.16, "text": " No, like Android OS, 24%." }, { "start": 1567.16, "end": 1568.16, "text": " What does that mean?" }, { "start": 1568.16, "end": 1569.16, "text": " What is doing it?" }, { "start": 1569.16, "end": 1570.16, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 1570.16, "end": 1571.16, "text": " Same thing." }, { "start": 1571.16, "end": 1572.16, "text": " Maps." }, { "start": 1572.16, "end": 1573.16, "text": " Well, maps I know because latitude is the worst." }, { "start": 1573.16, "end": 1574.16, "text": " You can't turn it off." }, { "start": 1574.16, "end": 1575.16, "text": " I turned it on." }, { "start": 1575.16, "end": 1579.0800000000002, "text": " No, but if you turn it off, then Google Now is not as good as it ought to be." }, { "start": 1579.0800000000002, "end": 1580.8400000000001, "text": " Wait, Google Latitude still exists?" }, { "start": 1580.8400000000001, "end": 1582.8400000000001, "text": " Yeah, I know, right?" }, { "start": 1582.84, "end": 1589.48, "text": " Well, it's like the keep track of your location over time feature and whatever." }, { "start": 1589.48, "end": 1595.8799999999999, "text": " Anyway, man, we are just jamming through topics." }, { "start": 1595.8799999999999, "end": 1597.52, "text": " We haven't even been on the air for half an hour." }, { "start": 1597.52, "end": 1599.32, "text": " About the white Nexus 4, I really want it." }, { "start": 1599.32, "end": 1603.6799999999998, "text": " I have no hopes that it will ever be available for sale just because we saw the white Galaxy" }, { "start": 1603.6799999999998, "end": 1607.4399999999998, "text": " Nexus as well and Google never sold that directly." }, { "start": 1607.4399999999998, "end": 1608.8, "text": " I don't know where you could even get one." }, { "start": 1608.8, "end": 1611.76, "text": " You could buy that." }, { "start": 1611.76, "end": 1616, "text": " The white Galaxy Nexus was one of those phones where if you knew somebody, you knew somebody" }, { "start": 1616, "end": 1621.2, "text": " who knew a guy who stood in some dark alley, you could go talk to him and he would open" }, { "start": 1621.2, "end": 1625.6, "text": " his trench coat and he would be, one, he would be nude, but then two, he would have some" }, { "start": 1625.6, "end": 1630.56, "text": " white Galaxy Nexuses under his trench coat and you could buy one for $1,200." }, { "start": 1630.56, "end": 1632.44, "text": " It was that kind of phone." }, { "start": 1632.44, "end": 1635.76, "text": " I have a feeling this is going to be the same thing." }, { "start": 1635.76, "end": 1638.16, "text": " Which means that I need to have one." }, { "start": 1638.16, "end": 1639.64, "text": " I just need to have it." }, { "start": 1639.64, "end": 1646, "text": " It's like the white Sega Game Gear when I was 12 years old." }, { "start": 1646, "end": 1647.68, "text": " It was the same situation." }, { "start": 1647.68, "end": 1648.88, "text": " You had to import one from Japan." }, { "start": 1648.88, "end": 1650.1200000000001, "text": " It was insane." }, { "start": 1650.1200000000001, "end": 1655.8000000000002, "text": " Also with the Galaxy Nexus, you couldn't get the stupid extended battery for the GSM version" }, { "start": 1655.8000000000002, "end": 1664.4, "text": " unless you went to Korea and had a dinner with an LG or a Samsung executive." }, { "start": 1664.4, "end": 1667.5600000000002, "text": " It was the exact same situation." }, { "start": 1667.56, "end": 1678.2, "text": " The thing that I want the Unicorn Nexus for that I want, even not counting LTE, is replace" }, { "start": 1678.2, "end": 1685.24, "text": " the glass back with the ridiculously thin plastic back from the Galaxy Nexus or some" }, { "start": 1685.24, "end": 1688.32, "text": " other phone and just use that extra space for battery." }, { "start": 1688.32, "end": 1690.8799999999999, "text": " Give me an extra couple hundred milliamps." }, { "start": 1690.8799999999999, "end": 1691.8799999999999, "text": " That would be awesome." }, { "start": 1691.8799999999999, "end": 1694.2, "text": " I'd be down with that." }, { "start": 1694.2, "end": 1697.1399999999999, "text": " To be fair, the battery in it is already pretty big." }, { "start": 1697.14, "end": 1699.5200000000002, "text": " It's 2100 or something." }, { "start": 1699.5200000000002, "end": 1701.72, "text": " Just make the software more efficient." }, { "start": 1701.72, "end": 1707.24, "text": " There's no reason that a 2100 milliamp hour battery not running on LTE can't last the" }, { "start": 1707.24, "end": 1709.6000000000001, "text": " whole day and beyond." }, { "start": 1709.6000000000001, "end": 1712.16, "text": " Here's what sucks." }, { "start": 1712.16, "end": 1717.3200000000002, "text": " I picked up my parents' iPhone 4S recently." }, { "start": 1717.3200000000002, "end": 1720.4, "text": " I was like, holy crap, this is a really thick phone." }, { "start": 1720.4, "end": 1726.42, "text": " That pisses me off because three or four months ago or five months ago, I would have never" }, { "start": 1726.42, "end": 1729.64, "text": " dreamed that thought." }, { "start": 1729.64, "end": 1734.2, "text": " Now I've become accustomed to these stupid seven millimeter thick phones and now I can't" }, { "start": 1734.2, "end": 1737.68, "text": " use a nine millimeter thick phone?" }, { "start": 1737.68, "end": 1738.68, "text": " Just go back to the tank." }, { "start": 1738.68, "end": 1742.68, "text": " You used to be the guy that was all about the resound." }, { "start": 1742.68, "end": 1744.0800000000002, "text": " You thought that that was OK." }, { "start": 1744.0800000000002, "end": 1745.72, "text": " Oh my god." }, { "start": 1745.72, "end": 1746.72, "text": " Resound was awesome." }, { "start": 1746.72, "end": 1747.72, "text": " Resound, ugh." }, { "start": 1747.72, "end": 1748.72, "text": " It was great." }, { "start": 1748.72, "end": 1750.96, "text": " First 720p phone in the US." }, { "start": 1750.96, "end": 1751.96, "text": " Resound was awesome." }, { "start": 1751.96, "end": 1758.04, "text": " I'm just saying they should have never gone from nine to seven-ish." }, { "start": 1758.04, "end": 1760.04, "text": " Who hit 900 grams?" }, { "start": 1760.04, "end": 1764, "text": " I'm going to read through the screen." }, { "start": 1764, "end": 1765, "text": " I'm going to be in California." }, { "start": 1765, "end": 1766, "text": " I like my phones." }, { "start": 1766, "end": 1767, "text": " Forty millimeter thick, 100,000 grams." }, { "start": 1767, "end": 1768, "text": " Yeah, you're going to be in California on Friday." }, { "start": 1768, "end": 1771.96, "text": " I'm going to be in California, but you're going to be too afraid to come to the city." }, { "start": 1771.96, "end": 1774.96, "text": " You're going to stay a couple hours south just to be safe." }, { "start": 1774.96, "end": 1780.6000000000001, "text": " No, I'm going to come to California on Friday and I'm going to personally see to it that" }, { "start": 1780.6, "end": 1782.6, "text": " I slap you with a glove." }, { "start": 1782.6, "end": 1785.6799999999998, "text": " A gentleman's fight." }, { "start": 1785.6799999999998, "end": 1788.9599999999998, "text": " I have gloves for you, Chris, by the way." }, { "start": 1788.9599999999998, "end": 1792.24, "text": " I'm going to use studded gloves." }, { "start": 1792.24, "end": 1795.1599999999999, "text": " Just so to keep our readers in the loop, you guys are going to find out eventually on the" }, { "start": 1795.1599999999999, "end": 1800.36, "text": " website at theverge.com, but I'm super jealous of why Chris is going to California." }, { "start": 1800.36, "end": 1803.4399999999998, "text": " You guys are going to find out in the near future." }, { "start": 1803.4399999999998, "end": 1806.52, "text": " I actually have a cameo in Terminator 5." }, { "start": 1806.52, "end": 1809.12, "text": " Are you sure it's not Fast 6?" }, { "start": 1809.12, "end": 1810.9199999999998, "text": " I was going to say." }, { "start": 1810.9199999999998, "end": 1811.9199999999998, "text": " Hang on." }, { "start": 1811.9199999999998, "end": 1816.1999999999998, "text": " Imagine a Terminator Fast mashup." }, { "start": 1816.1999999999998, "end": 1820.8799999999999, "text": " My face is going to melt off, Peter." }, { "start": 1820.8799999999999, "end": 1821.8799999999999, "text": " Stop." }, { "start": 1821.8799999999999, "end": 1828.4399999999998, "text": " The Fast 6 trailer premieres this Sunday and I'm like, I can barely contain myself during" }, { "start": 1828.4399999999998, "end": 1829.4399999999998, "text": " the Super Bowl." }, { "start": 1829.4399999999998, "end": 1834.6399999999999, "text": " It was just confirmed last week that Arnold is going to be in Terminator 5, which is also" }, { "start": 1834.6399999999999, "end": 1835.6399999999999, "text": " pretty exciting." }, { "start": 1835.64, "end": 1840.0400000000002, "text": " This is the full disclosure, Chris is going to California to see a screening of Fast 6." }, { "start": 1840.0400000000002, "end": 1843.92, "text": " That would make my life." }, { "start": 1843.92, "end": 1845.8400000000001, "text": " But no, anyway, back to my original point." }, { "start": 1845.8400000000001, "end": 1847.5600000000002, "text": " I don't know how we ended up on this tangent." }, { "start": 1847.5600000000002, "end": 1852.3600000000001, "text": " All I'm saying is they should have never gone below 9 millimeters and they should have just" }, { "start": 1852.3600000000001, "end": 1856.8600000000001, "text": " making the inside of the phone thinner and used that remaining space for battery and" }, { "start": 1856.8600000000001, "end": 1860.2800000000002, "text": " everyone would have been happy." }, { "start": 1860.2800000000002, "end": 1861.44, "text": " Fine." }, { "start": 1861.44, "end": 1862.8000000000002, "text": " It's hard to sell a new phone." }, { "start": 1862.8000000000002, "end": 1865.1200000000001, "text": " I can totally see where they're coming from though." }, { "start": 1865.12, "end": 1868.56, "text": " It's a lot easier to sell a new phone as it's new and thinner and lighter." }, { "start": 1868.56, "end": 1872.8799999999999, "text": " Didn't the 920 try the tank angle?" }, { "start": 1872.8799999999999, "end": 1876.36, "text": " We kind of panned it." }, { "start": 1876.36, "end": 1879.52, "text": " But the 920 doesn't even have great battery." }, { "start": 1879.52, "end": 1881.56, "text": " It's not bad battery life, but it's not great." }, { "start": 1881.56, "end": 1884.56, "text": " It's not particularly amazing." }, { "start": 1884.56, "end": 1887, "text": " So didn't we kind of tear it apart for being heavy and thick?" }, { "start": 1887, "end": 1888, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1888, "end": 1889.8, "text": " Should I do the full weightlifter squat?" }, { "start": 1889.8, "end": 1896.36, "text": " Anyway, let's talk Nokia." }, { "start": 1896.36, "end": 1897.36, "text": " The Nokia Laser." }, { "start": 1897.36, "end": 1898.36, "text": " Lasers." }, { "start": 1898.36, "end": 1901.68, "text": " Flagship Windows Phone on Verizon." }, { "start": 1901.68, "end": 1903.68, "text": " What do we know about the Laser?" }, { "start": 1903.68, "end": 1911.48, "text": " So it sounds like the Laser is going to be basically a CDMA slash LTE 700 block C slash" }, { "start": 1911.48, "end": 1917.04, "text": " AWS, well presumably AWS version of the Catwalk." }, { "start": 1917.04, "end": 1920.04, "text": " Just definitely just keep talking about the Spectrum." }, { "start": 1920.04, "end": 1925.24, "text": " All the interesting things that we know about the Laser just like suck them all out." }, { "start": 1925.24, "end": 1928.24, "text": " F all y'all." }, { "start": 1928.24, "end": 1934.1599999999999, "text": " We definitely have people listening to this show right now who appreciate Spectrum the" }, { "start": 1934.1599999999999, "end": 1935.86, "text": " way I appreciate it." }, { "start": 1935.86, "end": 1938.08, "text": " Why did this turn into the Troll Chris Show?" }, { "start": 1938.08, "end": 1939.08, "text": " I don't understand." }, { "start": 1939.08, "end": 1940.08, "text": " He doesn't deserve it." }, { "start": 1940.08, "end": 1943.04, "text": " He does make it easy though." }, { "start": 1943.04, "end": 1949.8799999999999, "text": " So the Laser will probably be a carrier variant of the Catwalk which is expected to be the" }, { "start": 1949.8799999999999, "end": 1956.06, "text": " successor to the 920 which I believe we're expecting to see announced at MWC." }, { "start": 1956.06, "end": 1961.8, "text": " So the Catwalk could actually end up being the most interesting thing to happen in Barcelona." }, { "start": 1961.8, "end": 1965.08, "text": " It sounds like Nokia is going to go back to aluminum construction which is something they" }, { "start": 1965.08, "end": 1969.1599999999999, "text": " haven't really done since the N8." }, { "start": 1969.1599999999999, "end": 1970.72, "text": " I guess that's exciting news." }, { "start": 1970.72, "end": 1975.84, "text": " I thought that Nokia has done a really amazing job with their polycarbonate shells but I" }, { "start": 1975.84, "end": 1981.08, "text": " can see why they would want, they probably feel left out by the aluminum trend." }, { "start": 1981.08, "end": 1985.04, "text": " You could definitely make a phone thinner with aluminum than you can with polycarbonate." }, { "start": 1985.04, "end": 1991.32, "text": " Poly's got to have some thickness for rigidness." }, { "start": 1991.32, "end": 1992.32, "text": " I'm with you Chris." }, { "start": 1992.32, "end": 1994.6000000000001, "text": " I love the polycarbonate shell." }, { "start": 1994.6000000000001, "end": 1999.66, "text": " Does anyone think it's kind of crazy that Nokia just announced the 920 in October and" }, { "start": 1999.66, "end": 2004.72, "text": " here we are in February and expecting to see the successor announced?" }, { "start": 2004.72, "end": 2010.1200000000001, "text": " That is four months." }, { "start": 2010.1200000000001, "end": 2015, "text": " I do think it's a little bit crazy but let's not forget that there's Apple and there's" }, { "start": 2015, "end": 2019.76, "text": " everybody else and everybody else is on the faster cycle." }, { "start": 2019.76, "end": 2022.92, "text": " They know when they release a new phone they bump sales." }, { "start": 2022.92, "end": 2025.96, "text": " I think that we can expect it from RIM to be perfectly honest." }, { "start": 2025.96, "end": 2029.52, "text": " They're using off the shelf parts." }, { "start": 2029.52, "end": 2034.28, "text": " It's not fair to say HTC is or Nokia is or even RIM is." }, { "start": 2034.28, "end": 2037.96, "text": " But let's be honest, the chips are the chips and they don't need to spend a year developing" }, { "start": 2037.96, "end": 2038.96, "text": " this stuff." }, { "start": 2038.96, "end": 2044.24, "text": " They can put it together, put a body on it, design it well and put it out there." }, { "start": 2044.24, "end": 2049.56, "text": " I think it's just par for the course now that we should expect that everybody but Apple" }, { "start": 2049.56, "end": 2052.16, "text": " is going to be on a faster cycle." }, { "start": 2052.16, "end": 2058.6, "text": " Samsung is the only company to really buck that trend and it's doing quite well for them." }, { "start": 2058.6, "end": 2062.6, "text": " I think everybody else can't compete on marketing dollars." }, { "start": 2062.6, "end": 2066.36, "text": " Samsung is doing quite well with that because A, it's doing that on the high end but it's" }, { "start": 2066.36, "end": 2074.52, "text": " also just like spraying the market with everything at every price point and every size and everything" }, { "start": 2074.52, "end": 2075.52, "text": " like that." }, { "start": 2075.52, "end": 2079.16, "text": " Do you think that if the 920 had actually taken off and done better that they would" }, { "start": 2079.16, "end": 2082.64, "text": " spend more time on the catwalk as replacement?" }, { "start": 2082.64, "end": 2085.64, "text": " They basically put these things out there, see if they catch fire and if they don't," }, { "start": 2085.64, "end": 2088.96, "text": " they're like, well, let's not try and let this one burn for much longer, let's replace" }, { "start": 2088.96, "end": 2089.96, "text": " it." }, { "start": 2089.96, "end": 2092.2799999999997, "text": " Yeah, I have to believe that's the philosophy." }, { "start": 2092.2799999999997, "end": 2097.12, "text": " If the 920 was a runaway hit and they were selling by the tens of millions, I doubt that" }, { "start": 2097.12, "end": 2098.12, "text": " they would be." }, { "start": 2098.12, "end": 2099.12, "text": " Look at the GS3." }, { "start": 2099.12, "end": 2101.3199999999997, "text": " It's been on a slow burn for the past year." }, { "start": 2101.3199999999997, "end": 2105.96, "text": " Well, it will have been on a slow burn for a year by the time the GS4 comes around." }, { "start": 2105.96, "end": 2108.48, "text": " I don't know why Nokia wouldn't like to be on that." }, { "start": 2108.48, "end": 2113.8399999999997, "text": " I'm sure that that's every OEM's dream is to be on that cycle." }, { "start": 2113.84, "end": 2118.36, "text": " And I guess depending on how things go for Nokia, it doesn't have a..." }, { "start": 2118.36, "end": 2121.84, "text": " Nokia's dream 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"text": " the chips that they wanted and things like that." }, { "start": 2254.5600000000004, "end": 2258.7200000000003, "text": " They were issuing a lot of blame to their component suppliers, which frankly did not" }, { "start": 2258.7200000000003, "end": 2259.7200000000003, "text": " deserve the blame." }, { "start": 2259.7200000000003, "end": 2260.7200000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2260.7200000000003, "end": 2265.5600000000004, "text": " I've got nothing else to say about Nokia." }, { "start": 2265.5600000000004, "end": 2270.0800000000004, "text": " I hope we see this stuff at Mobile World Congress, otherwise I don't know how we're going to" }, { "start": 2270.0800000000004, "end": 2271.98, "text": " see it at Mobile World Congress." }, { "start": 2271.98, "end": 2275.2000000000003, "text": " We're going to see ZTE releasing a 6.2 inch phone." }, { "start": 2275.2, "end": 2278.7599999999998, "text": " Oh my god." }, { "start": 2278.7599999999998, "end": 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}, { "start": 2300.96, "end": 2305.52, "text": " So Samsung can follow up last year's awesome MWC announcements." }, { "start": 2305.52, "end": 2307.04, "text": " Yeah, Blockbuster." }, { "start": 2307.04, "end": 2310.92, "text": " But obviously Samsung does its own thing and we don't really expect to see anything huge" }, { "start": 2310.92, "end": 2311.92, "text": " there." }, { "start": 2311.92, "end": 2312.92, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2312.92, "end": 2313.92, "text": " Pebble." }, { "start": 2313.92, "end": 2315.96, "text": " We reviewed it." }, { "start": 2315.96, "end": 2319.16, "text": " Neal and I reviewed it." }, { "start": 2319.16, "end": 2320.16, "text": " He likes it." }, { "start": 2320.16, "end": 2323.2400000000002, "text": " And I think we all want one." }, { "start": 2323.2400000000002, "end": 2324.2400000000002, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2324.2400000000002, "end": 2328.44, "text": " I mean, yes and no." }, { "start": 2328.44, "end": 2334.32, "text": " I just 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things that it does as best as they could and they didn't" }, { "start": 2402.92, "end": 2407.8399999999997, "text": " overshoot what they were trying to do and that'll come later, hopefully." }, { "start": 2407.8399999999997, "end": 2411.48, "text": " And we've actually seen a lot of other smartwatches be way too ambitious." }, { "start": 2411.48, "end": 2414.76, "text": " So this is crazy but I'm going to draw this parallel anyways." }, { "start": 2414.76, "end": 2421.18, "text": " But Pebble is to the smartwatch what the original iPhone was to the smartphone." }, { "start": 2421.18, "end": 2424.56, "text": " In that the original iPhone when it was first released was really kind of a dumbed down" }, { "start": 2424.56, "end": 2427.6, "text": " thing just like you were saying that Pebble is." }, { "start": 2427.6, "end": 2431.56, "text": " There was a lot of features missing but the features that it had worked very well and" }, { "start": 2431.56, "end": 2437, "text": " it was very 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"text": " actually think about wearing a smartwatch you can probably use the Pebble without any" }, { "start": 2461.6800000000003, "end": 2465.6800000000003, "text": " issues as far as getting it set up and working and things like that." }, { "start": 2465.68, "end": 2470.7599999999998, "text": " Even though it doesn't have all of the features that you might want eventually." }, { "start": 2470.7599999999998, "end": 2475.16, "text": " If your smartwatch runs Android you blew it." }, { "start": 2475.16, "end": 2477.48, "text": " That is so true." }, { "start": 2477.48, "end": 2485.3599999999997, "text": " And I feel like the end game for all of these guys and I said this in my MetaWatch review" }, { "start": 2485.3599999999997, "end": 2486.44, "text": " last year." }, { "start": 2486.44, "end": 2492.2, "text": " I think that the end game, the only way to really make this a successful industry is" }, { "start": 2492.2, "end": 2501.52, "text": " to target the very same clientele that wristwatches have been targeting for a century which is" }, { "start": 2501.52, "end": 2506.02, "text": " you know people who are looking for a fashion accessory and it's just that this happens" }, { "start": 2506.02, "end": 2507.72, "text": " to be a very smart fashion accessory." }, { "start": 2507.72, "end": 2512.2, "text": " In order to do that you need to take the core, you need to take the guts of something like" }, { "start": 2512.2, "end": 2517.04, "text": " a Pebble and make it available in literally 75 or 100 different styles." }, { "start": 2517.04, "end": 2521.68, "text": " You need to be able to walk into the Fossil Store in your local mall and they have an" }, { "start": 2521.68, "end": 2526.2, "text": " entire case of smartwatches that all look completely different because people don't" }, { "start": 2526.2, "end": 2529.7599999999998, "text": " want a single wristwatch." }, { "start": 2529.7599999999998, "end": 2535.06, "text": " They want one that looks good to them and works for their style and we're a long way" }, { "start": 2535.06, "end": 2537.8799999999997, "text": " from that." }, { "start": 2537.8799999999997, "end": 2541.7999999999997, "text": " The only way to make this a viable ecosystem is if the gatekeepers want there to be a viable" }, { "start": 2541.7999999999997, "end": 2544.22, "text": " ecosystem." }, { "start": 2544.22, "end": 2550.6, "text": " The Pebble does okay with what's supported by Bluetooth and what's supported by iOS and" }, { "start": 2550.6, "end": 2556.72, "text": " by Android, but where is the motivation other than us clamoring for there to be an ecosystem" }, { "start": 2556.72, "end": 2560.92, "text": " for either of these companies to improve that?" }, { "start": 2560.92, "end": 2563.52, "text": " Especially if they are working on their own watches right?" }, { "start": 2563.52, "end": 2570.74, "text": " Why would Apple work to develop a vibrant multi-manufacturer smartwatch ecosystem when" }, { "start": 2570.74, "end": 2575.58, "text": " they could just own the entire thing?" }, { "start": 2575.58, "end": 2581.52, "text": " This is true and I think that Apple, I don't know what Apple is doing there." }, { "start": 2581.52, "end": 2588.24, "text": " I want to believe that they intentionally moved the iPod Nano away from that form factor" }, { "start": 2588.24, "end": 2591.16, "text": " to make room for a future product." }, { "start": 2591.16, "end": 2596.04, "text": " I've heard rumblings, in fact, I think we were exchanging emails about this." }, { "start": 2596.04, "end": 2601.6, "text": " I've heard rumblings that third party developers are seeing some weirdness." }, { "start": 2601.6, "end": 2610.7999999999997, "text": " They're seeing the scaffolding for a really full featured and rich Bluetooth low energy" }, { "start": 2610.7999999999997, "end": 2617.88, "text": " ecosystem inside iOS 6 but it's not fully implemented and they think that parts are" }, { "start": 2617.88, "end": 2623.18, "text": " kind of being kept under wraps or they're only partially exposed for exposure in say" }, { "start": 2623.18, "end": 2629.8399999999997, "text": " iOS 7 along with maybe the launch of something like an iWatch." }, { "start": 2629.84, "end": 2634.96, "text": " That's certainly a possibility and Apple is probably the only company, well Google too," }, { "start": 2634.96, "end": 2640.8, "text": " they could both create I think a very commercially successful product like that that goes under" }, { "start": 2640.8, "end": 2646.6800000000003, "text": " the wrist but long term I truly believe that if you're going to make a smartwatch industry," }, { "start": 2646.6800000000003, "end": 2653.8, "text": " the only way to do it is to make it a wristwatch and that's something that no one has done" }, { "start": 2653.8, "end": 2661.52, "text": " yet except for Casio and Citizen who are of course traditional wristwatch players and" }, { "start": 2661.52, "end": 2666.32, "text": " Citizen 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"start": 2704.8, "end": 2705.8, "text": " Awkward transition." }, { "start": 2705.8, "end": 2711.6000000000004, "text": " Do you want to talk about this, the fact that if a carrier doesn't want you to, it's now" }, { "start": 2711.6000000000004, "end": 2716.96, "text": " technically illegal to unlock your phone if it's subsidized by a carrier thanks to lapsing" }, { "start": 2716.96, "end": 2721.32, "text": " of a thing that the Library of Congress did from the DMCA." }, { "start": 2721.32, "end": 2724.96, "text": " Everything about this just makes me sad." }, { "start": 2724.96, "end": 2733.52, "text": " You know, I don't want to advocate crime but you all should unlock your phone." }, { "start": 2733.52, "end": 2738.44, "text": " So okay, it's civil disobedience, it's not a crime, it's civil disobedience." }, { "start": 2738.44, "end": 2741.56, "text": " I don't know why the DMCA is part of this." }, { "start": 2741.56, "end": 2745.16, "text": " I mean, is it a justification that technically the carrier owns the phone because it's subsidized" }, { "start": 2745.16, "end": 2748, "text": " and so therefore they can say what it is and it belongs to them." }, { "start": 2748, "end": 2755.36, "text": " What's so crazy about this story is that it wasn't voted on, it wasn't vetted by anybody," }, { "start": 2755.36, "end": 2761.46, "text": " it was a Librarian of Congress that read the DMCA in a certain way, interpreted it to mean" }, { "start": 2761.46, "end": 2764.84, "text": " this and then enacted this." }, { "start": 2764.84, "end": 2768.16, "text": " That's how it got freed in the first place, it was a Librarian of Congress." }, { "start": 2768.16, "end": 2769.64, "text": " So don't hate on librarians." }, { "start": 2769.64, "end": 2775.52, "text": " I'm just saying not librarians as a whole but this particular judgment was maybe a lapse" }, { "start": 2775.52, "end": 2781.7200000000003, "text": " or maybe it was heavily influenced by lobbying which is really what I kind of think happened." }, { "start": 2781.7200000000003, "end": 2787.38, "text": " And unfortunately all of us that are interested in unlocking our phones are kind of getting" }, { "start": 2787.38, "end": 2793.2400000000002, "text": " the raw deal on it because of this interpretation." }, { "start": 2793.2400000000002, "end": 2795, "text": " I'm unlocking my phone right now." }, { "start": 2795, "end": 2801.04, "text": " Yeah, I guess the idea is you can theoretically buy unlocked phones easily and so they don't" }, { "start": 2801.04, "end": 2805.56, "text": " need to protect consumers anymore." }, { "start": 2805.56, "end": 2808.96, "text": " I mean kind of, can you?" }, { "start": 2808.96, "end": 2812.8, "text": " Where this really burns you though is I was actually talking about this with some friends" }, { "start": 2812.8, "end": 2816.84, "text": " of mine who are not like super into phones and things like that and they were like, well" }, { "start": 2816.84, "end": 2817.84, "text": " why do I care?" }, { "start": 2817.84, "end": 2822.2000000000003, "text": " If I buy a phone from AT&T I'm going to have to have service from AT&T anyways and I'd" }, { "start": 2822.2000000000003, "end": 2826.6800000000003, "text": " have to pay a termination fee to switch to T-Mobile and blah blah blah." }, { "start": 2826.6800000000003, "end": 2831.36, "text": " And I was like, well that's all fine and dandy when you're at home but as soon as you travel" }, { "start": 2831.36, "end": 2835.56, "text": " into another country and you want to put a local SIM card in, you can't." }, { "start": 2835.56, "end": 2840.88, "text": " And then you're stuck paying your exorbitant roving fees that are set by carriers that" }, { "start": 2840.88, "end": 2843.26, "text": " you might have never heard of." }, { "start": 2843.26, "end": 2846.08, "text": " And that's where it really kind of gets you if you don't have the ability to unlock your" }, { "start": 2846.08, "end": 2847.08, "text": " phone." }, { "start": 2847.08, "end": 2857.08, "text": " I unlocked phones all the time when it was illegal." }, { "start": 2857.08, "end": 2859.68, "text": " I'm going to continue to do it now that it's illegal again." }, { "start": 2859.68, "end": 2861.24, "text": " See you in prison bro." }, { "start": 2861.24, "end": 2868.96, "text": " Yeah, we just had this nice brief six month period where we had sanity and now it's gone" }, { "start": 2868.96, "end": 2870.44, "text": " and that makes me sad." }, { "start": 2870.44, "end": 2876.92, "text": " You have all these notorious cellphone unlockers on death row." }, { "start": 2876.92, "end": 2882.28, "text": " Our prison is filled with cellphone unlockers." }, { "start": 2882.28, "end": 2887.04, "text": " Cellphone unlocking is a gateway drug to something else." }, { "start": 2887.04, "end": 2888.04, "text": " Jailbreaking." }, { "start": 2888.04, "end": 2891.04, "text": " Well, jailbreaking is still okay." }, { "start": 2891.04, "end": 2892.04, "text": " Jailbreaking is cool." }, { "start": 2892.04, "end": 2899.64, "text": " Yeah, but I want the double entendre." }, { "start": 2899.64, "end": 2903.7999999999997, "text": " We haven't talked, oh my god, there's a brand new version of IOS." }, { "start": 2903.7999999999997, "end": 2907.24, "text": " Well, a point one update." }, { "start": 2907.24, "end": 2909.4, "text": " I wouldn't call that a brand new version." }, { "start": 2909.4, "end": 2914.56, "text": " Let's just say I'm not seeing Johnny Ives influence yet." }, { "start": 2914.56, "end": 2920.7, "text": " In fact, it's going the opposite direction because the one design thing that I've noticed" }, { "start": 2920.7, "end": 2924.92, "text": " is if you are using the music player on the lock screen, the controls are different and" }, { "start": 2924.92, "end": 2926.8399999999997, "text": " they are aluminumized now." }, { "start": 2926.8399999999997, "end": 2927.8399999999997, "text": " Oh no." }, { "start": 2927.84, "end": 2933.2400000000002, "text": " There's one other design thing too." }, { "start": 2933.2400000000002, "end": 2938.84, "text": " If you go into Passbook now, there's a new card that's like hey, this is Passbook, it's" }, { "start": 2938.84, "end": 2939.84, "text": " awesome." }, { "start": 2939.84, "end": 2945.1600000000003, "text": " I suspect that no one was using Passbook so they felt compelled to put a card in there" }, { "start": 2945.1600000000003, "end": 2948.08, "text": " so that people know what the heck Passbook is." }, { "start": 2948.08, "end": 2950.2000000000003, "text": " Isn't that something?" }, { "start": 2950.2000000000003, "end": 2951.2000000000003, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2951.2000000000003, "end": 2952.8, "text": " Who so often does not use a Passbook?" }, { "start": 2952.8, "end": 2960.4, "text": " It has a button in there that takes you out to the App Store with a view of all the Passbook" }, { "start": 2960.4, "end": 2961.4, "text": " enabled apps." }, { "start": 2961.4, "end": 2962.4, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2962.4, "end": 2967.92, "text": " I use Passbook for one thing and that's Starbucks." }, { "start": 2967.92, "end": 2969.96, "text": " I've actually used it quite a bit." }, { "start": 2969.96, "end": 2977, "text": " I use it for Starbucks, I use it for United, I'll use it for Lufthansa and Walgreens." }, { "start": 2977, "end": 2979.6400000000003, "text": " Because you fly Lufthansa all the time?" }, { "start": 2979.6400000000003, "end": 2980.6400000000003, "text": " Yeah, dude." }, { "start": 2980.64, "end": 2986.44, "text": " When I'm flying between Chicago and New York, it's always a Lufthansa flight." }, { "start": 2986.44, "end": 2990.8799999999997, "text": " But I am actually flying Lufthansa at the MWC next month so I'm looking forward to sampling" }, { "start": 2990.8799999999997, "end": 2991.8799999999997, "text": " their Passbook integration." }, { "start": 2991.8799999999997, "end": 2992.8799999999997, "text": " I don't know who I'm flying." }, { "start": 2992.8799999999997, "end": 2993.8799999999997, "text": " I'll have to look." }, { "start": 2993.8799999999997, "end": 2994.8799999999997, "text": " You're flying Air France." }, { "start": 2994.8799999999997, "end": 2995.8799999999997, "text": " I'm flying Air France." }, { "start": 2995.8799999999997, "end": 2996.8799999999997, "text": " Oh yeah, I knew that." }, { "start": 2996.8799999999997, "end": 2997.8799999999997, "text": " I sent you that email." }, { "start": 2997.8799999999997, "end": 3006.8799999999997, "text": " I know more about your itinerary than you do." }, { "start": 3006.88, "end": 3010.76, "text": " What plane is Dieter flying on?" }, { "start": 3010.76, "end": 3011.76, "text": " What kind of plane, Chris?" }, { "start": 3011.76, "end": 3015.56, "text": " Probably an A330 would be my guess, but I don't know that for a fact." }, { "start": 3015.56, "end": 3018.48, "text": " I'm on a 767, that's all I know." }, { "start": 3018.48, "end": 3022.6400000000003, "text": " All I know is it's going to be uncomfortable and I'll be cramped and unhappy." }, { "start": 3022.6400000000003, "end": 3029.12, "text": " And perhaps it'll be something to write about." }, { "start": 3029.12, "end": 3036.4, "text": " Indeed." }, { "start": 3036.4, "end": 3041.76, "text": " So Chris wrote up this really great breakdown of Verizon sold a bunch of Spectrum to AT&T" }, { "start": 3041.76, "end": 3045.36, "text": " for a really exorbitant amount of money and it's pending approval." }, { "start": 3045.36, "end": 3049.2000000000003, "text": " Chris broke down exactly what that means this week." }, { "start": 3049.2000000000003, "end": 3056.76, "text": " And it means that AT&T might not be using its AWS Spectrum, right Chris?" }, { "start": 3056.76, "end": 3057.76, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3057.76, "end": 3064.6800000000003, "text": " I was really, I mean, so I'm in an AT&T LTE market where they have like very, very little" }, { "start": 3064.6800000000003, "end": 3066.36, "text": " bandwidth." }, { "start": 3066.36, "end": 3071.36, "text": " And there are I think five or six major markets nationwide where that's the case, where they" }, { "start": 3071.36, "end": 3075.6600000000003, "text": " kind of got shafted in the 700 megahertz auction." }, { "start": 3075.6600000000003, "end": 3083.44, "text": " So they had both 700 and AWS standing by, but they'd only rolled out 700." }, { "start": 3083.44, "end": 3089.28, "text": " And the assumption for a long time now has been that they would eventually light up AWS." }, { "start": 3089.28, "end": 3094.96, "text": " And indeed, all of AT&T's LTE phones support both 700 and AWS." }, { "start": 3094.96, "end": 3100.36, "text": " Well what has happened, there have been two major incidents in the past year that have" }, { "start": 3100.36, "end": 3105.48, "text": " led everybody, including myself, to start to believe that AWS does not factor into AT&T's" }, { "start": 3105.48, "end": 3106.48, "text": " plans." }, { "start": 3106.48, "end": 3110.7200000000003, "text": " One, the first thing that happened was the breakup, not breakup, but the failure of the" }, { "start": 3110.7200000000003, "end": 3112.92, "text": " AT&T T-Mobile merger." }, { "start": 3112.92, "end": 3120.56, "text": " And one of the terms of that failure was that AT&T would give T-Mobile a bunch of AWS Spectrum," }, { "start": 3120.56, "end": 3126.12, "text": " which coincidentally is one of the things that has really helped T-Mobile firm up its" }, { "start": 3126.12, "end": 3131.52, "text": " LTE plans between that and the Metro PCS purchase." }, { "start": 3131.52, "end": 3140.52, "text": " And then the other thing that happened was this deal where Verizon is giving, not giving," }, { "start": 3140.52, "end": 3143.44, "text": " selling a bunch of 700-megered Spectrum to AT&T." }, { "start": 3143.44, "end": 3151.7200000000003, "text": " And AT&T is giving a bunch of AWS Spectrum, mostly in Western markets, to Verizon." }, { "start": 3151.7200000000003, "end": 3157.88, "text": " So a couple years ago, Verizon was 100% all in on 700." }, { "start": 3157.88, "end": 3163.28, "text": " AT&T was splitting its prospects between 700 and AWS." }, { "start": 3163.28, "end": 3169.44, "text": " And then now Verizon bought a bunch of AWS from Spectrum Co., that cable company consortium" }, { "start": 3169.44, "end": 3170.84, "text": " that we wrote about last year." }, { "start": 3170.84, "end": 3176.52, "text": " Gave a little bit of that to T-Mobile to get the FCC off its back." }, { "start": 3176.52, "end": 3178.56, "text": " And now they're getting more from AT&T." }, { "start": 3178.56, "end": 3180.8, "text": " So they've kind of flip-flopped." }, { "start": 3180.8, "end": 3183.32, "text": " Verizon is going to go with two different bands." }, { "start": 3183.32, "end": 3187.1600000000003, "text": " AT&T, at least in the short term, is all in on 700, it looks like." }, { "start": 3187.1600000000003, "end": 3192.2400000000002, "text": " And then longer term, they'll be looking at the incentive auctions and WCS, which we wrote" }, { "start": 3192.2400000000002, "end": 3193.2400000000002, "text": " about." }, { "start": 3193.2400000000002, "end": 3194.2400000000002, "text": " I have a report up on that." }, { "start": 3194.2400000000002, "end": 3197.32, "text": " It's linked in the report I wrote last week." }, { "start": 3197.32, "end": 3204.28, "text": " But yeah, it's a very dramatic time to be following the Spectrum story in the US." }, { "start": 3204.28, "end": 3205.28, "text": " But Chris?" }, { "start": 3205.28, "end": 3206.28, "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "start": 3206.28, "end": 3210.92, "text": " Imagine if we saw companies playing these kinds of shenanigans and doing this kind of" }, { "start": 3210.92, "end": 3213.6000000000004, "text": " horse trading with like, national parkland." }, { "start": 3213.6000000000004, "end": 3214.6000000000004, "text": " Right?" }, { "start": 3214.6000000000004, "end": 3216.56, "text": " I mean, that's what this is." }, { "start": 3216.56, "end": 3217.56, "text": " Right?" }, { "start": 3217.56, "end": 3220.7200000000003, "text": " Like we were like, oh yeah, you guys can go ahead and borrow the parks for a while." }, { "start": 3220.7200000000003, "end": 3221.7200000000003, "text": " That's cool." }, { "start": 3221.7200000000003, "end": 3222.7200000000003, "text": " You got to pay us some money for it." }, { "start": 3222.7200000000003, "end": 3225.2000000000003, "text": " But you know, make sure you do some public good with it, we guess." }, { "start": 3225.2000000000003, "end": 3226.52, "text": " You know, because that seems nice." }, { "start": 3226.52, "end": 3227.52, "text": " And then they just are like..." }, { "start": 3227.52, "end": 3229.36, "text": " Just make sure you pay us some money for it." }, { "start": 3229.36, "end": 3232.2, "text": " Yeah, they're like, oh, well, you want a little bit of redwood?" }, { "start": 3232.2, "end": 3235.6, "text": " Well, I can give you some Yellowstone, but I don't know." }, { "start": 3235.6, "end": 3237.6, "text": " It's like, come on." }, { "start": 3237.6, "end": 3240.2, "text": " So yeah, just regulate this stuff." }, { "start": 3240.2, "end": 3241.6, "text": " I have no idea." }, { "start": 3241.6, "end": 3242.6, "text": " Just be cognizant." }, { "start": 3242.6, "end": 3243.6, "text": " Just internally..." }, { "start": 3243.6, "end": 3244.6, "text": " Just mount up and regulate." }, { "start": 3244.6, "end": 3245.6, "text": " Yes, exactly." }, { "start": 3245.6, "end": 3246.6, "text": " Orangey." }, { "start": 3246.6, "end": 3253.36, "text": " AT&T, I would love to understand, I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall" }, { "start": 3253.36, "end": 3259.2400000000002, "text": " in some of these internal meetings in AT&T where they decided to not deal with AWS." }, { "start": 3259.2400000000002, "end": 3266.96, "text": " Because I don't know if they just wanted to concentrate on 700 because of its superior" }, { "start": 3266.96, "end": 3270.2400000000002, "text": " building penetration and..." }, { "start": 3270.2400000000002, "end": 3273.52, "text": " It's because of you complaining about Chicago's signal, basically." }, { "start": 3273.52, "end": 3275.52, "text": " Actually, you know what it is?" }, { "start": 3275.52, "end": 3276.52, "text": " You know what it is?" }, { "start": 3276.52, "end": 3277.52, "text": " You know what it is?" }, { "start": 3277.52, "end": 3281.8, "text": " They're in a board meeting and they talk about AWS and someone's like, AWS?" }, { "start": 3281.8, "end": 3283.6000000000004, "text": " It smells like T-Mobile." }, { "start": 3283.6000000000004, "end": 3286.04, "text": " We hate them now." }, { "start": 3286.04, "end": 3287.04, "text": " And they just said no." }, { "start": 3287.04, "end": 3288.7200000000003, "text": " And they just killed it." }, { "start": 3288.7200000000003, "end": 3291.84, "text": " That's entirely possible." }, { "start": 3291.84, "end": 3293.36, "text": " This brings up the question for me at least." }, { "start": 3293.36, "end": 3300.4, "text": " So Verizon owned the Spectrum and is in the 700 megahertz and now it's being sold to AT&T." }, { "start": 3300.4, "end": 3305.52, "text": " Does that mean that I'll be able to use an AT&T phone on Verizon at some point in the" }, { "start": 3305.52, "end": 3306.52, "text": " future?" }, { "start": 3306.52, "end": 3308.6800000000003, "text": " You would like to think so, but the answer is most definitely no." }, { "start": 3308.6800000000003, "end": 3311.48, "text": " Because it's illegal to unlock your phone." }, { "start": 3311.48, "end": 3317.08, "text": " It's illegal to unlock your phone, A. And B, these are different blocks." }, { "start": 3317.08, "end": 3325.28, "text": " So 700 is divided into five blocks of Spectrum that span a fairly significant amount of bandwidth." }, { "start": 3325.28, "end": 3333.08, "text": " There's A, B, C, D, and E. Verizon occupies the nationwide C block, but they also, for" }, { "start": 3333.08, "end": 3338.32, "text": " god only knows what reason, had a bunch of dormant B blocks sitting around." }, { "start": 3338.32, "end": 3340.48, "text": " So they were hoarding the B block." }, { "start": 3340.48, "end": 3344.28, "text": " Yeah, so they could use it for the stupid national park horse trading." }, { "start": 3344.28, "end": 3348.2400000000002, "text": " For the stupid national park horse trading, that's right." }, { "start": 3348.2400000000002, "end": 3351.96, "text": " And AT&T, they used the B block." }, { "start": 3351.96, "end": 3355.36, "text": " So it was a very convenient trade." }, { "start": 3355.36, "end": 3360.28, "text": " But I do think it is, you know, these carriers are treating the Spectrum, they're basically" }, { "start": 3360.28, "end": 3365.62, "text": " holding it hostage as an investment in many cases and not actually deploying it and using" }, { "start": 3365.62, "end": 3366.96, "text": " it the way it was meant to be used." }, { "start": 3366.96, "end": 3372.92, "text": " And that is one of my greatest frustrations as a writer in this industry is the fact that" }, { "start": 3372.92, "end": 3378, "text": " these guys aren't using every last drop of Spectrum that they can, while at the same" }, { "start": 3378, "end": 3383.08, "text": " time they're screaming from the highest hilltops about the, quote unquote, Spectrum patch." }, { "start": 3383.08, "end": 3388.6, "text": " Yeah, I don't know why I'm all sudden hot under the collar about the Spectrum thing" }, { "start": 3388.6, "end": 3392.64, "text": " now, because there's certainly been worse shenanigans." }, { "start": 3392.64, "end": 3399.92, "text": " But it's like, you know, OK, Nokia sold their headquarters and now they're renting it back." }, { "start": 3399.92, "end": 3404.12, "text": " And you see a bunch of companies do that and it's always a really bad sign, right?" }, { "start": 3404.12, "end": 3405.12, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3405.12, "end": 3407.68, "text": " Well, we're selling our Spectrum and then renting it back." }, { "start": 3407.68, "end": 3411.6, "text": " I mean, we could at least still manage the building, right?" }, { "start": 3411.6, "end": 3417.6, "text": " Nokia is still hiring the janitors and they run the building." }, { "start": 3417.6, "end": 3419.08, "text": " It's our Spectrum, man." }, { "start": 3419.08, "end": 3420.08, "text": " Just like the Everglades." }, { "start": 3420.08, "end": 3422.88, "text": " Everybody's fucked though, so maybe." }, { "start": 3422.88, "end": 3428.3199999999997, "text": " It's a swampy morass filled with crocodiles, alligators, flies." }, { "start": 3428.3199999999997, "end": 3431.52, "text": " And false hopes and lies." }, { "start": 3431.52, "end": 3432.52, "text": " And pythons apparently too." }, { "start": 3432.52, "end": 3435.44, "text": " They're a huge python problem in the Everglades." }, { "start": 3435.44, "end": 3437.92, "text": " Phones that can't work on more than one carrier." }, { "start": 3437.92, "end": 3441, "text": " US Spectrum is the Everglades." }, { "start": 3441, "end": 3443.12, "text": " I think we can just leave it at that." }, { "start": 3443.12, "end": 3445.48, "text": " It's hot, sticky." }, { "start": 3445.48, "end": 3446.48, "text": " OK." }, { "start": 3446.48, "end": 3450.44, "text": " That, friends, is The Verge Mobile Show." }, { "start": 3450.44, "end": 3452.2400000000002, "text": " We want to thank you so much for watching." }, { "start": 3452.2400000000002, "end": 3455.76, "text": " If you want to watch us again next week, you probably can." }, { "start": 3455.76, "end": 3458.36, "text": " If you want to leave a comment on the post, you can." }, { "start": 3458.36, "end": 3462.72, "text": " And I believe the new plan is for it to be like one true post rule of all." }, { "start": 3462.72, "end": 3464.88, "text": " So just leave it on the post you're watching now." }, { "start": 3464.88, "end": 3466.92, "text": " Or if you're listening to it, go find it." }, { "start": 3466.92, "end": 3468.32, "text": " You can also send us an email." }, { "start": 3468.32, "end": 3470.72, "text": " It's mobile show at theverge.com." }, { "start": 3470.72, "end": 3472.76, "text": " I am Baclon." }, { "start": 3472.76, "end": 3475.08, "text": " Dan is DC Seifert with an EI." }, { "start": 3475.08, "end": 3478, "text": " Chris is ePower Vlad is Vlad Savov." }, { "start": 3478, "end": 3479.7599999999998, "text": " We're all at Verge." }, { "start": 3479.7599999999998, "end": 3482.84, "text": " And we'll see you guys next week, probably." }, { "start": 3482.84, "end": 3483.84, "text": " We'll see." }, { "start": 3483.84, "end": 3484.84, "text": " See ya." }, { "start": 3484.84, "end": 3485.84, "text": " Thanks, guys." }, { "start": 3485.84, "end": 3505.56, "text": " Thanks, guys." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 6.88, "text": " It's Monday, January 28th, 2013. I'm David Pierce. Give me your hand. Close your eyes. Come on this journey with me." }, { "start": 7, "end": 9.28, "text": " This is 90 seconds on the verge presented by Ford." }, { "start": 9.76, "end": 12.94, "text": " Twitter's new video sharing app Vine has become a hotbed of controversy" }, { "start": 12.94, "end": 19.62, "text": " thanks to the Internet's shocking interest in pornography. The service accidentally promoted a particularly not safe for work clip as an editor's choice," }, { "start": 19.62, "end": 25.580000000000002, "text": " but it was just one of many easy to find naughty videos. In response, Vine has begun censoring searches such as hashtag" }, { "start": 25.58, "end": 32.26, "text": " f***, p****, t***, a**, and of course porn. Apple has stopped actively promoting Vine in the App Store." }, { "start": 32.26, "end": 37.98, "text": " The question now is whether they'll pull Twitter's porn portal much like they did with 500 pixels. For better or for worse," }, { "start": 38.16, "end": 40.519999999999996, "text": " okay, mostly for the better, okay, all for the better," }, { "start": 40.519999999999996, "end": 47.32, "text": " the Star Wars prequels are never coming back to theaters. Deadline Hollywood is reporting that Lucasfilm has nixed plans for 3D theatrical" }, { "start": 47.8, "end": 55.28, "text": " re-releases of episodes 2 and 3. A 3D version of episode 1, Phantom Menace, returned to theaters last year to less than stellar box office returns." }, { "start": 55.28, "end": 61.72, "text": " At least by Star Wars standards anyway. Your next dose of theatrical Star Wars will be JJ Abrams episode 7 in 2015." }, { "start": 61.84, "end": 64.34, "text": " Iran has successfully fired a monkey into space." }, { "start": 64.92, "end": 70.38, "text": " I'm not kidding. According to the AFP, a capsule with the primate was launched to an altitude of 75 miles," }, { "start": 70.38, "end": 76.76, "text": " but the monkey remained quote intact. This comes just weeks after Iran announced plans to land a man on the moon by 2025." }, { "start": 76.84, "end": 82.12, "text": " The capsule was codenamed Peshgam or Pioneer. And that's it for today's top stories. Coming up tomorrow," }, { "start": 82.12, "end": 88.56, "text": " we'll show you how Daft Punk managed to record an entire album as puppeteers controlling life-size space man marionettes." } ]

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[ { "start": 0, "end": 5.88, "text": " It's Friday, January 25th, 2013. I'm Alex Hamburger. I've got something in my pocket." }, { "start": 5.88, "end": 9, "text": " This is 90 Seconds on the Verge, presented by Ford." }, { "start": 9, "end": 12.48, "text": " Smartphones have been getting pretty big in recent years, but HTC's finally figured out" }, { "start": 12.48, "end": 17.44, "text": " a reasonable solution, pairing a second phone. The company's begun bundling one of its smartphones" }, { "start": 17.44, "end": 22.34, "text": " in China with the HTC Mini, a candy bar style phone that syncs with its big brother via" }, { "start": 22.34, "end": 26.6, "text": " Bluetooth and NFC. It can even trigger an alarm on the bigger phone and serve as a remote" }, { "start": 26.6, "end": 30.360000000000003, "text": " control, clearly making it the best of both worlds. That's assuming the best of both" }, { "start": 30.360000000000003, "end": 35.92, "text": " worlds means having two phones in two pockets with two chargers. Apple has released its" }, { "start": 35.92, "end": 39.900000000000006, "text": " latest supplier report, and it includes some disturbing findings." }, { "start": 39.900000000000006, "end": 44.28, "text": " Apple revealed that 11 different overseas facilities had employed underage workers over" }, { "start": 44.28, "end": 49.78, "text": " the past year. One supplier committed 74 different violations. Apple has now stopped working" }, { "start": 49.78, "end": 53.88, "text": " with that company altogether. It could be just the beginning. Foxconn is rumored to" }, { "start": 53.88, "end": 58.040000000000006, "text": " be bringing Mac mini production to the United States in the near future." }, { "start": 58.040000000000006, "end": 62.6, "text": " Want to unlock your phone or tablet legally? Might want to get started. A ruling made by" }, { "start": 62.6, "end": 67.36, "text": " the U.S. Librarian of Congress goes into effect tomorrow, which will make it illegal to unlock" }, { "start": 67.36, "end": 72.1, "text": " a phone or tablet subsidized by Carrier without getting explicit permission first. One interesting" }, { "start": 72.1, "end": 76.76, "text": " tidbit? The changes don't apply to used phones or devices purchased before tomorrow. Check" }, { "start": 76.76, "end": 80.80000000000001, "text": " out my eBay page for some devices that can make your unlocking dreams come true." }, { "start": 80.8, "end": 84.52, "text": " And that's it for today's top stories, but join us next time when I'll show you how to" }, { "start": 84.52, "end": 111.52, "text": " make a five-course meal that feeds four in under three minutes, twice." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 6.24, "text": " It's Thursday, January 24th, 2013. I'm Adrienne Jeffries, and I believe Sulu shot first." }, { "start": 6.24, "end": 8.700000000000001, "text": " This is 90 Seconds on the Verge, presented by Ford." }, { "start": 8.700000000000001, "end": 12.040000000000001, "text": " The new Star Wars film has a director. I think you're gonna like this one." }, { "start": 12.040000000000001, "end": 15.96, "text": " The Wrap is reporting that J.J. Abrams will be directing Star Wars Episode VII." }, { "start": 15.96, "end": 20.76, "text": " Known for his work on Alias and Lost, Abrams has been busy wrapping another tiny sci-fi movie," }, { "start": 20.76, "end": 22.92, "text": " something called Star Trek Into Darkness." }, { "start": 22.92, "end": 26, "text": " The new film is being written by Little Miss Sunshine's Michael Arndt," }, { "start": 26, "end": 29.88, "text": " and Abrams will have to jump on board quickly. It's scheduled for release in 2015." }, { "start": 29.88, "end": 32.72, "text": " Not much is known about Episode VII, but one thing's for sure." }, { "start": 32.72, "end": 34.44, "text": " There's gonna be a ton of lens flares." }, { "start": 34.44, "end": 38.94, "text": " If that wasn't enough, the other life-altering cinematic moment you've been waiting for is here." }, { "start": 38.94, "end": 42.66, "text": " We've seen the first footage of Ashton Kutcher as Steve Jobs." }, { "start": 42.66, "end": 46.66, "text": " Entertainment Weekly has released a clip from one of two biopics about the late Apple co-founder." }, { "start": 46.66, "end": 50.44, "text": " The scene has Kutcher convincing Steve Wozniak, played by actor Josh Gad," }, { "start": 50.44, "end": 54.5, "text": " that an operating system he's working on is a profound revolution that changes everything." }, { "start": 54.5, "end": 58.58, "text": " Kutcher seems to have Jobs look down, but we'll need to see the whole movie to know how it really plays." }, { "start": 58.58, "end": 60.58, "text": " Gad's wig is another matter entirely." }, { "start": 60.58, "end": 63.26, "text": " Jobs premieres tomorrow at Sundance Film Festival." }, { "start": 63.26, "end": 65.02, "text": " We'll be there. Be ready." }, { "start": 65.02, "end": 69.02, "text": " After a quick tease yesterday, Twitter has announced its own video sharing service, called Vine." }, { "start": 69.02, "end": 73.56, "text": " Vine lets you shoot, edit, and publish all direct links to Twitter." }, { "start": 73.56, "end": 75.06, "text": " However, there is a six-" }, { "start": 75.06, "end": 78.02, "text": " You get the idea. That's it for today's top stories." }, { "start": 78.02, "end": 82.25999999999999, "text": " Join me tomorrow for my dramatic reading of Abramson fanfiction." }, { "start": 83.25999999999999, "end": 86.53999999999999, "text": " Those blast points. Too accurate for a Romulan." }, { "start": 86.54, "end": 89.54, "text": " Only Sydney Bristow is so precise." } ]

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[ { "start": 0, "end": 3, "text": " It's Wednesday, January 23rd, 2013." }, { "start": 3, "end": 8, "text": " I'm Sam Sheffer and I've become one with the vibrating point at the center of space and time." }, { "start": 8, "end": 10, "text": " This is 90 Seconds on the Verge, presented by Ford." }, { "start": 10, "end": 13, "text": " It's Apple earnings day. They sold a lot of devices." }, { "start": 13, "end": 20, "text": " The company posted $13.1 billion in profit for its latest quarter on $54.5 billion in revenue." }, { "start": 20, "end": 25, "text": " Apple sold 47.8 million iPhones, over 10 million more than a year ago." }, { "start": 25, "end": 29, "text": " iPad sales also hit a record 22.9 million." }, { "start": 29, "end": 32, "text": " Record profit, record revenue, and record sales." }, { "start": 32, "end": 35, "text": " And naturally, the stock is down in after-hours trading." }, { "start": 35, "end": 39, "text": " Speaking of Cupertino, Steve Jobs didn't like competitors hiring Apple employees." }, { "start": 39, "end": 42, "text": " He even threatened patent litigation if they didn't knock it off." }, { "start": 42, "end": 47, "text": " New court documents have revealed a number of communications between Apple, Google, and other companies." }, { "start": 47, "end": 53, "text": " In one email, Steve Jobs told former Palm CEO Ed Colligan he would like the company to stop going after Apple employees." }, { "start": 53, "end": 60, "text": " My advice, he wrote, is to take a look at our patent portfolio before you make a final decision here. Mmm, subtle." }, { "start": 60, "end": 65, "text": " Did you love politicians accidentally tweeting photos? You haven't seen anything yet." }, { "start": 65, "end": 68, "text": " Twitter CEO Dick Costolo demonstrated a new video sharing feature today." }, { "start": 68, "end": 72, "text": " From the looks of it, it will let users post short, embedded video clips to Twitter." }, { "start": 72, "end": 75, "text": " It's powered by Vine, a startup that Twitter picked up last year." }, { "start": 75, "end": 77, "text": " Now, let's cover this again." }, { "start": 77, "end": 81, "text": " DMs go to one person. Regular tweets go to everyone. We clear?" }, { "start": 81, "end": 83, "text": " And that's it for today's top stories." }, { "start": 83, "end": 87, "text": " Join us tomorrow when we'll be taking a look at America's obsession with lip-syncing." }, { "start": 87, "end": 112, "text": " Is it time for an intervention?" } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 2.8000000000000003, "text": " It's Tuesday, January 22nd, 2013." }, { "start": 2.8000000000000003, "end": 7.5, "text": " I'm David Pierce, and unfortunately, my controversial action figure has been pulled from store shelves." }, { "start": 7.5, "end": 10, "text": " This is 90 Seconds on the Verge, presented by Ford." }, { "start": 10, "end": 13.5, "text": " Better late than never, Microsoft has a release date for the Surface Pro." }, { "start": 13.5, "end": 19, "text": " The company announced today that its high-end tablet will go on sale in the US and Canada on February 9th." }, { "start": 19, "end": 24.5, "text": " For the $899 entry price, customers get 64 gigs of storage, an Intel Core i5 processor," }, { "start": 24.5, "end": 26.5, "text": " and, of course, full-fledged Windows 8." }, { "start": 26.5, "end": 31, "text": " Three new touch covers will also be available, along with a Surface Edition Wedge Touch Mouse." }, { "start": 31, "end": 34, "text": " I mean, trackpad. Mouse. Datter. Whatever." }, { "start": 34, "end": 38, "text": " The popular photo application 500pixels has disappeared from Apple's iOS app store," }, { "start": 38, "end": 41, "text": " and the threat of adult content may be to blame." }, { "start": 41, "end": 44, "text": " According to 500pixels, the app was pulled by Apple because it was, quote," }, { "start": 44, "end": 46, "text": " easy to search for nude photos." }, { "start": 46, "end": 47, "text": " What defines easy?" }, { "start": 47, "end": 50.5, "text": " Apparently, going to your computer, logging onto the website, changing setting," }, { "start": 50.5, "end": 53, "text": " and then going back to the app and searching for nude photos." }, { "start": 53, "end": 56.5, "text": " I'm searching for adult images on Safari right now." }, { "start": 56.5, "end": 59.5, "text": " Don't tell anybody. It's a secret." }, { "start": 59.5, "end": 64.5, "text": " And finally, Mozilla has shown off two developer devices running its Firefox mobile operating system." }, { "start": 64.5, "end": 69, "text": " Created with the help of Spanish startup Geek's Phone, the company has two models, Kion and Peak." }, { "start": 69, "end": 73, "text": " In line with Mozilla's emphasis on emerging markets, the two phones won't wow you with specs," }, { "start": 73, "end": 77.5, "text": " but Geek's Phone does say they'll arrive at prices, quote, you never could have imagined." }, { "start": 77.5, "end": 80, "text": " And look at them! They're adorable!" }, { "start": 80, "end": 81.5, "text": " And that's it for today's top stories." }, { "start": 81.5, "end": 84.5, "text": " Coming up tomorrow, scientists uncover a horrific correlation" }, { "start": 84.5, "end": 88, "text": " between the rise in global temperature and PEZ dispensers." }, { "start": 88, "end": 112, "text": " You won't want to miss it." } ]

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{ "start": 40.96, "end": 41.96, "text": " We're not in the bone zone." }, { "start": 41.96, "end": 46.54, "text": " And I'm being told that I said it was January 21st, 2012, but it's not." }, { "start": 46.54, "end": 47.54, "text": " It's January 21st." }, { "start": 47.54, "end": 48.959999999999994, "text": " You're living in the past, man." }, { "start": 48.959999999999994, "end": 50.959999999999994, "text": " I live in the past, man." }, { "start": 50.959999999999994, "end": 52.72, "text": " Dude, I did the same thing." }, { "start": 52.72, "end": 58.28, "text": " I actually wrote in an article saying that the new Kodak Micro Four Thirds camera is" }, { "start": 58.28, "end": 61.6, "text": " coming quarter free 2012." }, { "start": 61.6, "end": 64.32, "text": " And people were like, are we going back to the past?" }, { "start": 64.32, "end": 68.75999999999999, "text": " Which is kind of fitting since Kodak is dead." }, { "start": 68.75999999999999, "end": 70.8, "text": " Kodak is a relic of the past." }, { "start": 70.8, "end": 72.8, "text": " Kodak is a relic of the future." }, { "start": 72.8, "end": 73.8, "text": " And it's being resurrected." }, { "start": 73.8, "end": 79.24, "text": " I mean, it's just branding exercise at this point because some random company called JK" }, { "start": 79.24, "end": 85.08, "text": " Imaging, which is using the Kodak name, which has already been done with Polaroid, whose" }, { "start": 85.08, "end": 88, "text": " cameras are utterly atrocious." }, { "start": 88, "end": 90.8, "text": " But this isn't the photography show." }, { "start": 90.8, "end": 91.8, "text": " You know why that is, Vlad?" }, { "start": 91.8, "end": 95.08, "text": " JK Imaging is short for Just Kidding Imaging." }, { "start": 95.08, "end": 99.19999999999999, "text": " They're just kidding about all these cameras." }, { "start": 99.19999999999999, "end": 100.19999999999999, "text": " They're trolling the public." }, { "start": 100.19999999999999, "end": 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back." }, { "start": 132.52, "end": 136.20000000000002, "text": " And a whole bunch of others, companies like Albatron and whatnot." }, { "start": 136.20000000000002, "end": 139.04000000000002, "text": " I was just reminiscing on that subject." }, { "start": 139.04000000000002, "end": 146.38, "text": " I was thinking how exactly companies like this random JK Imaging sometimes succeed and" }, { "start": 146.38, "end": 147.64000000000001, "text": " sometimes fail." }, { "start": 147.64000000000001, "end": 150.20000000000002, "text": " It's just an oddity to me." }, { "start": 150.20000000000002, "end": 154.20000000000002, "text": " You have these small companies and some of them turn into ASUS and just explode into" }, { "start": 154.20000000000002, "end": 156.20000000000002, "text": " a massive consumer brand." }, { "start": 156.20000000000002, "end": 160.32000000000002, "text": " And then some of them, like Biostar for example, shrink." }, { "start": 160.32, "end": 162.72, "text": " 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now I'm going to have to take it back" }, { "start": 292.08, "end": 293.84, "text": " to the store to pick up the computer." }, { "start": 293.84, "end": 294.84, "text": " It's a nightmare." }, { "start": 294.84, "end": 296.2, "text": " Anyway, we can talk about phones now." }, { "start": 296.2, "end": 298.91999999999996, "text": " The walks of shame that you have to go through for this iMac." }, { "start": 298.92, "end": 304.88, "text": " Hasn't this experience maybe tempted you to just say screw it and upgrade to the extra" }, { "start": 304.88, "end": 309.40000000000003, "text": " slinky new iMac?" }, { "start": 309.40000000000003, "end": 310.40000000000003, "text": " Yes and no." }, { "start": 310.40000000000003, "end": 314.40000000000003, "text": " I mean, I said a few weeks ago on the show that there's nothing, like spec wise there's" }, { "start": 314.40000000000003, "end": 320.08000000000004, "text": " nothing about my 27 inch iMac that feels like slower outdated." }, { 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new things, let's use that as a really" }, { "start": 358.48, "end": 361.48, "text": " flaky segue to talk about HTC." }, { "start": 361.48, "end": 368.2, "text": " So I feel like as far as mobile news is concerned, we're in that annoying period where there" }, { "start": 368.2, "end": 372, "text": " isn't going to be a whole lot of major announcements and everything is just going to be kind of" }, { "start": 372, "end": 375.52, "text": " like leaks up until Mobile World Congress." }, { "start": 375.52, "end": 380.79999999999995, "text": " I kind of like this time of year but I also kind of dread this time of year because you" }, { "start": 380.79999999999995, "end": 383.03999999999996, "text": " see endless leaks of Samsung things." }, { "start": 383.03999999999996, "end": 389.56, "text": " At this time last year we were seeing leaks of the Galaxy S3 seven different ways to Sunday" }, { "start": 389.56, "end": 393.28, "text": " and it was like every other minute it was a different 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"start": 428.32, "end": 432.47999999999996, "text": " It is now before our eyes and it is still way too massive." }, { "start": 432.48, "end": 438.84000000000003, "text": " So I have to say it's unusual to me that the M7 bears more than a passing resemblance to" }, { "start": 438.84000000000003, "end": 441.24, "text": " the 8X because…" }, { "start": 441.24, "end": 447.52000000000004, "text": " So wait, one second Chris because in the time since our last show it's actually emerged" }, { "start": 447.52000000000004, "end": 451.52000000000004, "text": " twice with two very different looking devices." }, { "start": 451.52000000000004, "end": 457.08000000000004, "text": " So the exact same thing that I was just complaining about is Samsung what happened last year happened" }, { "start": 457.08000000000004, "end": 459.74, "text": " with this alleged HTC this year." }, { "start": 459.74, "end": 465.88, "text": " So we have this first device that supposedly was the front of the new device and it looks" }, { "start": 465.88, "end": 471.56, "text": " very much like the back of an iPhone 5 and then we have this other one which is actual" }, { "start": 471.56, "end": 477.24, "text": " physical pictures of a new device that looks like the 8X." }, { "start": 477.24, "end": 481, "text": " Right and that's actually a very good point." }, { "start": 481, "end": 488.48, "text": " There's every reason to believe that HTC has adopted Samsung's strategy last year of encasing" }, { "start": 488.48, "end": 494.20000000000005, "text": " its new flagship devices in dummy cases and maybe they're doing something like that here." }, { "start": 494.20000000000005, "end": 501.24, "text": " Although the second device that emerged, the physical pictures, by all accounts that looks" }, { "start": 501.24, "end": 502.24, "text": " like a real phone." }, { "start": 502.24, "end": 505.44, "text": " I'm looking at the pictures now." }, { "start": 505.44, "end": 510.52000000000004, "text": " So it would be a very elaborate disguise if it is in fact a disguise." }, { "start": 510.52000000000004, "end": 517.44, "text": " But at any rate what I was saying is that the 8X, you know both HTC and Microsoft made" }, { "start": 517.44, "end": 523.0400000000001, "text": " a point of saying that the industrial design of that device was kind of like designed from" }, { "start": 523.0400000000001, "end": 526.58, "text": " the ground up to complement Windows phone." }, { "start": 526.58, "end": 534, "text": " And now HTC, if this phone is in fact real, appears to be repurposing portions of that" }, { "start": 534, "end": 538.8800000000001, "text": " industrial design for Android." }, { "start": 538.8800000000001, "end": 542.5600000000001, "text": " We saw some of this design on the DNA already in the JButterfly." }, { "start": 542.5600000000001, "end": 546.48, "text": " Like if you look at the back of this one, the camera's in the same spot, it's kind of" }, { "start": 546.48, "end": 550.84, "text": " that matte finish with the curve to it." }, { "start": 550.84, "end": 556.5600000000001, "text": " So the front is a bit more like the 8X but the back is very kind of familiar for the" }, { "start": 556.5600000000001, "end": 557.5600000000001, "text": " DNA." }, { "start": 557.5600000000001, "end": 558.5600000000001, "text": " Yep, that's fair." }, { "start": 558.5600000000001, "end": 566.36, "text": " And it also, it's worth mentioning that anytime anybody says the hardware and the software" }, { "start": 566.36, "end": 573.04, "text": " were tailored for one another, that's basically BS." }, { "start": 573.04, "end": 580.1999999999999, "text": " The touch screens guys, the touch screens, the bezel, like if you think about your list" }, { "start": 580.1999999999999, "end": 584.76, "text": " of design priorities when you're putting together an iPhone, an Android phone, Windows phone," }, { "start": 584.76, "end": 591.1999999999999, "text": " even Blackberry nowadays, it's a case of minimize the bezel, maximize the touch screen area," }, { "start": 591.1999999999999, "end": 593.7199999999999, "text": " do something fancy that makes you stand out." }, { "start": 593.7199999999999, "end": 594.7199999999999, "text": " That's it." }, { "start": 594.7199999999999, "end": 598.0799999999999, "text": " It's not software dependent at all." }, { "start": 598.08, "end": 604.64, "text": " And in fact the only device that I can think of that had any sort of connotation of being" }, { "start": 604.64, "end": 611.9200000000001, "text": " really connected on the hardware and software front was Nokia's N9, which is perfectly ironic" }, { "start": 611.9200000000001, "end": 616.12, "text": " because the N9 was put together to work with Nokia's MeeGo Harman 10 and you can kind of" }, { "start": 616.12, "end": 623.44, "text": " see the curvature of the icons, the squirckles as Nokia's designers called them." }, { "start": 623.44, "end": 626.36, "text": " Which they took from the Zune." }, { "start": 626.36, "end": 631.2, "text": " I don't know if Microsoft ever called it a squircle on the Zune, but everyone else did." }, { "start": 631.2, "end": 632.96, "text": " I'm trying to think back to that." }, { "start": 632.96, "end": 636, "text": " But anyway, the Zune was also another awesome device." }, { "start": 636, "end": 642.14, "text": " The Zune's control pad below the screen was a squircle and I think that's where everyone" }, { "start": 642.14, "end": 644.4, "text": " started using that phrase, squircle." }, { "start": 644.4, "end": 647.44, "text": " That's as zero as I can remember." }, { "start": 647.44, "end": 653, "text": " Okay, I'm not crediting Nokia would invent the word, but the point is that the industrial" }, { "start": 653, "end": 661.02, "text": " design of the N9 and its curvature kind of echoed the icons and just the consistency" }, { "start": 661.02, "end": 662.48, "text": " of the UI." }, { "start": 662.48, "end": 666.76, "text": " And then Microsoft and Nokia turned around and said, well this is the best hardware with" }, { "start": 666.76, "end": 670.84, "text": " Vivo 800 for Windows Phone, yada yada yada, they're perfectly matched." }, { "start": 670.84, "end": 673.2, "text": " And they weren't actually." }, { "start": 673.2, "end": 679.24, "text": " And it's just marketing when they said the 8X is specifically tailored to Windows Phone." }, { "start": 679.24, "end": 681.24, "text": " It's not." }, { "start": 681.24, "end": 684.92, "text": " If you have a straight line in any phone, it's specifically tailored to Windows Phone" }, { "start": 684.92, "end": 687.64, "text": " because it has squares." }, { "start": 687.64, "end": 696.48, "text": " Do you remember the first prototype of the 800 that Elop showed didn't even have capacitive" }, { "start": 696.48, "end": 697.48, "text": " buttons at the bottom?" }, { "start": 697.48, "end": 699.44, "text": " It was a virtual arrangement." }, { "start": 699.44, "end": 704.88, "text": " Because they were obviously just using an N9 with different guts inside of it, so they" }, { "start": 704.88, "end": 708.6, "text": " didn't have that manufactured yet." }, { "start": 708.6, "end": 711.8000000000001, "text": " Which I think was codenamed C-Ray, was it?" }, { "start": 711.8000000000001, "end": 712.8000000000001, "text": " Yeah, C-Ray." }, { "start": 712.8000000000001, "end": 713.8000000000001, "text": " That sounds familiar." }, { "start": 713.8000000000001, "end": 723.84, "text": " Okay, that was one of the most obviously self-engineered leaks in the history of leaks." }, { "start": 723.84, "end": 728.84, "text": " That was about the time when I published our N9 review and everybody else was just gushing" }, { "start": 728.84, "end": 729.84, "text": " about it." }, { "start": 729.84, "end": 735.28, "text": " People were like, what is Nokia doing not giving this device a legitimate future?" }, { "start": 735.28, "end": 739.8, "text": " And then Steve and Elop and company decided, you know what, we'll just shoot our own video." }, { "start": 739.8, "end": 744.16, "text": " God, I remember the video now that you're talking about." }, { "start": 744.16, "end": 746.04, "text": " That internal meeting event." }, { "start": 746.04, "end": 748.04, "text": " And multiple angles." }, { "start": 748.04, "end": 750.92, "text": " And Elop's like, don't take pictures." }, { "start": 750.92, "end": 752.92, "text": " And then he goes around." }, { "start": 752.92, "end": 758.48, "text": " Don't take pictures, let me just hold this up." }, { "start": 758.48, "end": 759.8399999999999, "text": " Did you not take a picture of this?" }, { "start": 759.8399999999999, "end": 761.0799999999999, "text": " Did you not get that shot?" }, { "start": 761.0799999999999, "end": 762.64, "text": " Why are you guys using your flash?" }, { "start": 762.64, "end": 764.36, "text": " You should be using your flash." }, { "start": 764.36, "end": 766.04, "text": " That's the best way to take a picture." }, { "start": 766.04, "end": 768.6, "text": " I mean, don't take a picture." }, { "start": 768.6, "end": 773.04, "text": " But back to the M7, I think that maybe the bigger news than the industrial design of" }, { "start": 773.04, "end": 778.8000000000001, "text": " the hardware is the Sense 5, which is a dramatic departure." }, { "start": 778.8000000000001, "end": 783.4, "text": " I mean, going all the way back to the original HTC, was it the Hero or the Magic?" }, { "start": 783.4, "end": 786.96, "text": " No, no, it was Windows Mobile phone." }, { "start": 786.96, "end": 793.08, "text": " No, no, but I mean, I mean, Rosie on Android 1.0." }, { "start": 793.08, "end": 794.08, "text": " Was that the Hero?" }, { "start": 794.08, "end": 795.08, "text": " The first chin device?" }, { "start": 795.08, "end": 797.08, "text": " Yeah, the Hero, yep." }, { "start": 797.08, "end": 802.76, "text": " Yeah, I would say this is the most dramatic departure for Sense since then." }, { "start": 802.76, "end": 806.6800000000001, "text": " If it is in fact real, which I think a lot of evidence has grown in the past 24 hours" }, { "start": 806.6800000000001, "end": 811.4000000000001, "text": " to suggest that it is, because we've seen some ROM links for other devices." }, { "start": 811.4000000000001, "end": 812.4000000000001, "text": " What do you guys think?" }, { "start": 812.4000000000001, "end": 816.6800000000001, "text": " Oh, dude, I need to opine on this." }, { "start": 816.6800000000001, "end": 822.44, "text": " I looked at it, and yes, it's a departure, but it's a departure in basically the wrong" }, { "start": 822.44, "end": 824.24, "text": " direction." }, { "start": 824.24, "end": 825.24, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 825.24, "end": 829.08, "text": " Well, no." }, { "start": 829.08, "end": 835.8800000000001, "text": " It's sort of in the right direction, but off to the side, and it's not far enough." }, { "start": 835.8800000000001, "end": 839.0400000000001, "text": " It's a lateral move is what you're saying." }, { "start": 839.0400000000001, "end": 841.12, "text": " Yeah, yeah, so here's the thing." }, { "start": 841.12, "end": 844.2, "text": " They've cut down the Chrome again." }, { "start": 844.2, "end": 845.8800000000001, "text": " So thumbs up for that." }, { "start": 845.8800000000001, "end": 850.7600000000001, "text": " But it's the same sort of thumbs up that Dan will recall from last week's podcast that" }, { "start": 850.76, "end": 857.08, "text": " he was giving me, and that I was giving people at CES when they try and pimp out a feature" }, { "start": 857.08, "end": 860.04, "text": " which is completely tepid and uninspiring." }, { "start": 860.04, "end": 862.48, "text": " It's like, hey, well done." }, { "start": 862.48, "end": 863.48, "text": " You took off some Chrome." }, { "start": 863.48, "end": 868.4, "text": " So you had crap in your software, and you took it out, and now we're supposed to applaud" }, { "start": 868.4, "end": 869.4, "text": " you guys." }, { "start": 869.4, "end": 870.4, "text": " Well done." }, { "start": 870.4, "end": 871.88, "text": " So they took off some Chrome." }, { "start": 871.88, "end": 876.12, "text": " They went to a more two-dimensional look with their icons." }, { "start": 876.12, "end": 877.12, "text": " They simplified them." }, { "start": 877.12, "end": 880.72, "text": " So again, that's kind of neat, kind of good." }, { "start": 880.72, "end": 890.6, "text": " But at this rate of improvement, at this rate of change, it's really going to be like 20-something" }, { "start": 890.6, "end": 894.64, "text": " before we have a sense that we actually really want to use." }, { "start": 894.64, "end": 898.4, "text": " This might be dramatic by sense standards, but it's still not." }, { "start": 898.4, "end": 906.0400000000001, "text": " I can still feel underneath this stuff that HTC is just clinging onto, just dearly clinging" }, { "start": 906.0400000000001, "end": 907.0400000000001, "text": " onto." }, { "start": 907.04, "end": 910.8, "text": " There's no reason for HTC to stick with us." }, { "start": 910.8, "end": 914.04, "text": " You can be just completely revolutionary as far as I'm concerned." }, { "start": 914.04, "end": 915.9399999999999, "text": " Your sales are going down." }, { "start": 915.9399999999999, "end": 919.3199999999999, "text": " You need to do something to kick start things." }, { "start": 919.3199999999999, "end": 922.04, "text": " We've had this discussion a whole bunch of times with One Series." }, { "start": 922.04, "end": 926.4399999999999, "text": " We had no complaints about the industrial design, about the specs, about the displays," }, { "start": 926.4399999999999, "end": 927.4399999999999, "text": " etc." }, { "start": 927.4399999999999, "end": 928.4399999999999, "text": " The problem is in the software." }, { "start": 928.4399999999999, "end": 934.68, "text": " And HTC needs to face that and really make a leap with its next version of CES." }, { "start": 934.68, "end": 935.68, "text": " It's not doing that." }, { "start": 935.68, "end": 941.88, "text": " It's just like, what is it doing?" }, { "start": 941.88, "end": 945.56, "text": " It's messing around with the edges instead of fundamentally changing the software." }, { "start": 945.56, "end": 949.3599999999999, "text": " Again, we've only seen some screenshots, so maybe I'm completely wrong." }, { "start": 949.3599999999999, "end": 952.1999999999999, "text": " And maybe you see some important stuff." }, { "start": 952.1999999999999, "end": 953.1999999999999, "text": " Very limited screenshots." }, { "start": 953.1999999999999, "end": 959.4, "text": " We've got a shot of what we suppose is the lock screen, the home screen, and then a couple" }, { "start": 959.4, "end": 962.92, "text": " versions, software version screens." }, { "start": 962.92, "end": 965.88, "text": " But we don't see what the launcher is like yet." }, { "start": 965.88, "end": 967.1999999999999, "text": " We don't know what the notifications are." }, { "start": 967.1999999999999, "end": 971.76, "text": " The notification part was the biggest pain point for me every time I picked up a Sense" }, { "start": 971.76, "end": 975.12, "text": " phone." }, { "start": 975.12, "end": 982.54, "text": " According to this device, it still has capacitive buttons for home, back, and multitasking." }, { "start": 982.54, "end": 987.5999999999999, "text": " And they're in a really weird position on this particular device that has emerged." }, { "start": 987.5999999999999, "end": 990.1999999999999, "text": " So it doesn't look like they're moving to software buttons for those, which is a little" }, { "start": 990.2, "end": 993.0400000000001, "text": " bit of a disappointment." }, { "start": 993.0400000000001, "end": 998.36, "text": " But to your point, Vlad, it seems like the only changes are very surface level as opposed" }, { "start": 998.36, "end": 1000.08, "text": " to the radical change." }, { "start": 1000.08, "end": 1005.12, "text": " Let me just back myself up here, because I'm saying they're clinging on to things." }, { "start": 1005.12, "end": 1010.8000000000001, "text": " The perfect example is they still have that full screen weather animation stuff going" }, { "start": 1010.8000000000001, "end": 1011.8000000000001, "text": " on." }, { "start": 1011.8000000000001, "end": 1012.8000000000001, "text": " Do they?" }, { "start": 1012.8000000000001, "end": 1013.8000000000001, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 1013.8, "end": 1020.7199999999999, "text": " There's one screenshot where you have a full screen of a starlit sky and the weather, and" }, { "start": 1020.7199999999999, "end": 1021.7199999999999, "text": " it just kills me." }, { "start": 1021.7199999999999, "end": 1026.6, "text": " I mean, look, I'm happy that they finally accepted that they can have a clock widget" }, { "start": 1026.6, "end": 1034.1599999999999, "text": " without the flipping stuff going on, and without the whole animated thing, just having numbers" }, { "start": 1034.1599999999999, "end": 1039.2, "text": " so we can see a digital reading of time without being bombarded with animations." }, { "start": 1039.2, "end": 1040.3999999999999, "text": " I'm happy with that." }, { "start": 1040.3999999999999, "end": 1042.56, "text": " I just feel like it's all very superficial." }, { "start": 1042.56, "end": 1045.76, "text": " I feel like it's not pushing boundaries enough." }, { "start": 1045.76, "end": 1049.6, "text": " It's not doing anything to excite me anyway." }, { "start": 1049.6, "end": 1054.28, "text": " So Dan, I'm actually going to challenge your notion that it's a disappointment that they're" }, { "start": 1054.28, "end": 1057.52, "text": " not going with soft buttons." }, { "start": 1057.52, "end": 1061.8, "text": " Six months ago I would have agreed with you, but what I've realized is, I realized two" }, { "start": 1061.8, "end": 1062.8, "text": " things." }, { "start": 1062.8, "end": 1069.54, "text": " One, on Android, there isn't enough that they're doing with those soft buttons to really make" }, { "start": 1069.54, "end": 1070.54, "text": " them worthwhile." }, { "start": 1070.54, "end": 1076.44, "text": " And about all they do is disappear when you're looking at a picture or something." }, { "start": 1076.44, "end": 1079.84, "text": " So all you're doing is eating up pixels at the bottom of the screen that could be used" }, { "start": 1079.84, "end": 1082.48, "text": " for doing actual things with." }, { "start": 1082.48, "end": 1089.68, "text": " And two, we're a year removed, or more than a year removed now, from the Google edict" }, { "start": 1089.68, "end": 1092.48, "text": " to get away from the menu button." }, { "start": 1092.48, "end": 1095.96, "text": " So that becomes less of an issue as time goes by." }, { "start": 1095.96, "end": 1100.72, "text": " Well I agree with you there that they definitely could be better used." }, { "start": 1100.72, "end": 1104.72, "text": " And I know the whole Android development community and custom ROMs and stuff like that, they're" }, { "start": 1104.72, "end": 1108, "text": " doing some really crazy stuff with the virtual buttons." }, { "start": 1108, "end": 1111.96, "text": " But no standard manufacturer unfortunately is, and Google certainly isn't doing anything" }, { "start": 1111.96, "end": 1114.26, "text": " interesting with it yet." }, { "start": 1114.26, "end": 1120.68, "text": " As far as the menu button goes though, but for the big apps that matter, it's still there." }, { "start": 1120.68, "end": 1125.32, "text": " So Facebook and Twitter and these major apps, you still have that stupid menu bar that's" }, { "start": 1125.32, "end": 1128.3999999999999, "text": " sucking up your screen real estate anyways." }, { "start": 1128.3999999999999, "end": 1136.72, "text": " And HTC sort of fixed it on the One X with that option that you could configure the capacitive" }, { "start": 1136.72, "end": 1142.1, "text": " buttons to hold down the multitasking button to bring up the menu instead." }, { "start": 1142.1, "end": 1146.24, "text": " So it got rid of it, but they didn't extend that across their line because you don't have" }, { "start": 1146.24, "end": 1147.52, "text": " that option on the joint DNA." }, { "start": 1147.52, "end": 1152.12, "text": " So I'm not confident that it will be on any new devices unless someone complains about" }, { "start": 1152.12, "end": 1154.9199999999998, "text": " it and HTC just puts it in there." }, { "start": 1154.92, "end": 1156.5600000000002, "text": " Which is annoying." }, { "start": 1156.5600000000002, "end": 1158.04, "text": " But yeah." }, { "start": 1158.04, "end": 1165.64, "text": " I mean, listen guys, I again, I'm expressing disappointment based on very little information" }, { "start": 1165.64, "end": 1172.68, "text": " and I'm willing to believe, and I'm interested to hear actually from Chris what he thinks" }, { "start": 1172.68, "end": 1179.5600000000002, "text": " is such a dramatic departure that he's noticing in Sense 5 or the leak of Sense 5." }, { "start": 1179.56, "end": 1188.72, "text": " But hang on Chris, before we do that though, yeah I had a point and then I lost it." }, { "start": 1188.72, "end": 1196.44, "text": " And I think it's because my pet peeves with HTC devices and Android devices, probably" }, { "start": 1196.44, "end": 1198.8799999999999, "text": " in general now, are two." }, { "start": 1198.8799999999999, "end": 1205.6799999999998, "text": " One is size that are too large and the other is the software that they don't improve it" }, { "start": 1205.6799999999998, "end": 1207.76, "text": " and they bloat it out." }, { "start": 1207.76, "end": 1214.2, "text": " And with HTC that's a case of tuning radio and Facebook app and all of these things that" }, { "start": 1214.2, "end": 1217.92, "text": " I can't even install." }, { "start": 1217.92, "end": 1220.16, "text": " I wish Vlad had to use a Verizon phone one day." }, { "start": 1220.16, "end": 1224.8799999999999, "text": " Like if Vlad had to use a Verizon phone for a week it would make him absolutely insane." }, { "start": 1224.8799999999999, "end": 1229.6, "text": " I know, and AT&T, I know they load up crap as well." }, { "start": 1229.6, "end": 1232.8799999999999, "text": " The only reason we don't get that in the UK is probably because our carriers aren't that" }, { "start": 1232.8799999999999, "end": 1233.8799999999999, "text": " savvy." }, { "start": 1233.8799999999999, "end": 1236.72, "text": " They aren't savvy enough to do that." }, { "start": 1236.72, "end": 1238.48, "text": " They're not savvy enough to screw in the customer." }, { "start": 1238.48, "end": 1241.88, "text": " And I'm quite happy to level the same accusation with Samsung." }, { "start": 1241.88, "end": 1249.96, "text": " In fact, Samsung's Galaxy 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"start": 1279.56, "end": 1284.24, "text": " You know, the way Microsoft is doing with Microsoft signature Windows laptops and devices" }, { "start": 1284.24, "end": 1285.24, "text": " previously." }, { "start": 1285.24, "end": 1286.24, "text": " So that's it." }, { "start": 1286.24, "end": 1290.92, "text": " So as far as I'm concerned, the M7 fixes none of that stuff." }, { "start": 1290.92, "end": 1295.04, "text": " But now I can hand it over to Chris and he can tell us what he does fix." }, { "start": 1295.04, "end": 1296.96, "text": " So look, call me superficial." }, { "start": 1296.96, "end": 1302.8000000000002, "text": " So first of all, I will agree with you, Vlad, and you, Dan." }, { "start": 1302.8000000000002, "end": 1306.76, "text": " I mean, we've seen very little of this interface, assuming it's even real, which like I said," }, { "start": 1306.76, "end": 1309.52, "text": " I think we can probably safely assume it is." }, { "start": 1309.52, "end": 1318.64, "text": " But 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"text": " That's the point we just started off with." }, { "start": 1452.6200000000001, "end": 1457.3200000000002, "text": " If you just go into every single year, tell us we're trilling off the Chrome, we're trilling" }, { "start": 1457.32, "end": 1462.36, "text": " off the crap that we've added ourselves, I'm not going to give you much credit for that." }, { "start": 1462.36, "end": 1463.36, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1463.36, "end": 1465.36, "text": " That's fair enough." }, { "start": 1465.36, "end": 1469.08, "text": " I'm done talking about the M7." }, { "start": 1469.08, "end": 1473.4399999999998, "text": " I have nothing more to say until it's announced." }, { "start": 1473.4399999999998, "end": 1475.6, "text": " Until the next leak that we're talking about next week." }, { "start": 1475.6, "end": 1476.6, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1476.6, "end": 1481.36, "text": " Let's have a quick mention for, I mean, how big do we expect the M7 to be?" }, { "start": 1481.36, "end": 1487.12, "text": " A 4.7 inch with a 1080p display, I believe, is what it's been said to be." }, { "start": 1487.12, "end": 1488.12, "text": " 6.4 inches." }, { "start": 1488.12, "end": 1489.12, "text": " Actually, this is something..." }, { "start": 1489.12, "end": 1490.12, "text": " 6.45 inches." }, { "start": 1490.12, "end": 1495.6799999999998, "text": " They're going to one up Sony with a 6.45 inch device." }, { "start": 1495.6799999999998, "end": 1500.6399999999999, "text": " Yeah, actually, is now a good time for me to go on my weekly rant about phone sizes?" }, { "start": 1500.6399999999999, "end": 1501.6399999999999, "text": " Is that okay with everyone?" }, { "start": 1501.6399999999999, "end": 1502.6399999999999, "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 1502.6399999999999, "end": 1503.6399999999999, "text": " We should." }, { "start": 1503.6399999999999, "end": 1506.9199999999998, "text": " I know that we weren't necessarily planning on talking about it, but I have to invoke" }, 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with..." }, { "start": 1544.1200000000001, "end": 1548.24, "text": " Vlad, I think it was you that played with the Huawei as CES, right?" }, { "start": 1548.24, "end": 1551.3600000000001, "text": " Yeah, I played with it and Vlad played with it, yeah." }, { "start": 1551.3600000000001, "end": 1552.92, "text": " And it was insane, right?" }, { "start": 1552.92, "end": 1553.92, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 1553.92, "end": 1554.92, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 1554.92, "end": 1555.92, "text": " So, and this is bigger." }, { "start": 1555.92, "end": 1556.92, "text": " In a good way." }, { "start": 1556.92, "end": 1557.92, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1557.92, "end": 1561.52, "text": " So the problem I had with the Huawei was the first thing I did, I put it in my hand and" }, { "start": 1561.52, "end": 1566.44, "text": " I'll put my Nexus 4 and my Nexus 4, I can touch my other finger with my thumb." }, { "start": 1566.44, "end": 1570.44, "text": " So like, you know, I can't reach the 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"text": " So industrial design innovation as far as I'm concerned is coming in other areas." }, { "start": 1670.52, "end": 1675.1599999999999, "text": " So we mentioned the new iMac which again is just really gorgeous to look at if nothing" }, { "start": 1675.1599999999999, "end": 1676.1599999999999, "text": " else." }, { "start": 1676.1599999999999, "end": 1679.8799999999999, "text": " I agree with Chris, there's no reason to upgrade the specs but it's just really nice." }, { "start": 1679.8799999999999, "end": 1685.3999999999999, "text": " The iPad mini and iPod Touch, this new generation design, the more time I spend with it, the" }, { "start": 1685.4, "end": 1686.4, "text": " more I love it." }, { "start": 1686.4, "end": 1688.76, "text": " I think it's really, really awesome." }, { "start": 1688.76, "end": 1693.4, "text": " And I'm really actually excited by the Xperia Tablet Z that Sony just introduced which" }, { "start": 1693.4, "end": 1697.2, "text": " is a 10 inch tablet and 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the way they solved" }, { "start": 1744.12, "end": 1747.9199999999998, "text": " it is by making the screen small enough so that you can kind of handle it the same way" }, { "start": 1747.9199999999998, "end": 1750.3, "text": " you handle a big phone." }, { "start": 1750.3, "end": 1753.3999999999999, "text": " Not by making a really tablet appropriate UI." }, { "start": 1753.3999999999999, "end": 1758.4399999999998, "text": " So I think that they're really struggling between 9 and 10 inches and they don't have" }, { "start": 1758.4399999999998, "end": 1759.4399999999998, "text": " an answer for that yet." }, { "start": 1759.4399999999998, "end": 1763.6799999999998, "text": " And of course, the way iOS solves it is two ways." }, { "start": 1763.6799999999998, "end": 1770.32, "text": " One with a ridiculously simple and arguably outdated home screen that's just literally" }, { "start": 1770.32, "end": 1773.84, "text": " like a grid of icons and a great app design." }, { "start": 1773.84, 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You're kidding." }, { "start": 1811.68, "end": 1812.68, "text": " I do." }, { "start": 1812.68, "end": 1813.68, "text": " Wait, wait, wait." }, { "start": 1813.68, "end": 1818.1200000000001, "text": " Are they re-releasing the QoSr Echo or are they doing their attempt?" }, { "start": 1818.1200000000001, "end": 1824.3600000000001, "text": " They're doing a dual screen smartphone that you can connect together into one giant screen." }, { "start": 1824.3600000000001, "end": 1826.92, "text": " But it's their own design, it's their own product." }, { "start": 1826.92, "end": 1827.92, "text": " It's their own design." }, { "start": 1827.92, "end": 1830.92, "text": " It's the same idea." }, { "start": 1830.92, "end": 1831.92, "text": " So you can..." }, { "start": 1831.92, "end": 1833.6000000000001, "text": " You're a terrible intro then." }, { "start": 1833.6000000000001, "end": 1834.6000000000001, "text": " I'm terrible." }, { "start": 1834.6000000000001, "end": 1835.6000000000001, "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 1835.6000000000001, "end": 1839.8400000000001, "text": " So it's two 4.3 inch displays that you can connect together that are like one is on the" }, { "start": 1839.8400000000001, "end": 1844.24, "text": " front and one is on the back and you can flip them horizontally so you've got one almost" }, { "start": 1844.24, "end": 1851.68, "text": " square display that you can do two things at once or view the webpage on the full screen" }, { "start": 1851.68, "end": 1852.68, "text": " as well." }, { "start": 1852.68, "end": 1858.48, "text": " It's a little bit of a twist, but our guy in Japan, Sam Byford, who got hands on with" }, { "start": 1858.48, "end": 1862.16, "text": " this seemed to be pretty impressed with it in the video but I just kept thinking about" }, { "start": 1862.16, "end": 1871.48, "text": " that poor QoSr Echo and the death that it suffered because it was such a poorly executed" }, { "start": 1871.48, "end": 1873.4, "text": " idea." }, { 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yeah." }, { "start": 1909.24, "end": 1914.2, "text": " Actually, that reminds me, there's something really peculiar about the Japanese market," }, { "start": 1914.2, "end": 1918.96, "text": " peculiar from a Western perspective anyway, which again is about size." }, { "start": 1918.96, "end": 1925.44, "text": " And that is that they sell drinks, they sell soft drinks in different sizes, so there's" }, { "start": 1925.44, "end": 1932.32, "text": " like 100mm cans and then 330mm cans but they sell them at the same price from vending machines." }, { "start": 1932.32, "end": 1936.96, "text": " And they're able to sell both because people in Japan seem to have the self-control to" }, { "start": 1936.96, "end": 1941.76, "text": " decide whether they need 100mm of a drink or 330." }, { "start": 1941.76, "end": 1945.96, "text": " And they're like, some people actually buy a smaller portion because they don't need" }, { "start": 1945.96, "end": 1946.96, "text": " that much." }, { "start": 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1983.04, "text": " Although by the same, I don't know if that analogy really converts to what we're talking" }, { "start": 1983.04, "end": 1987.72, "text": " about here with phones because it's not, with these quote-unquote flagship devices, it's" }, { "start": 1987.72, "end": 1989.1399999999999, "text": " not about value, right?" }, { "start": 1989.14, "end": 1993.44, "text": " It's about what makes a flagship device." }, { "start": 1993.44, "end": 2000.2800000000002, "text": " And there's a very strong association with many OEMs and presumably with many consumers" }, { "start": 2000.2800000000002, "end": 2001.3600000000001, "text": " that bigger is better." }, { "start": 2001.3600000000001, "end": 2004.3600000000001, "text": " And it's the exact same thing that's been happening in the car industry for the past" }, { "start": 2004.3600000000001, "end": 2006.1000000000001, "text": " 50 years." }, { "start": 2006.1000000000001, "end": 2009.0400000000002, "text": " More so in the US than in Europe and Japan." }, { "start": 2009.0400000000002, "end": 2012.88, "text": " But we talked about it two weeks ago." }, { "start": 2012.88, "end": 2017.1200000000001, "text": " Someone, I don't know who, I'm dying to find out who, someone in the Verge trailer at CES" }, { "start": 2017.12, "end": 2019.32, "text": " had Nexus One." }, { "start": 2019.32, "end": 2020.32, "text": " That was Evan Rogers." }, { "start": 2020.32, "end": 2026.2399999999998, "text": " Oh, Evan, who brought like 20 phones with him including a T-Mobile Galaxy S that was" }, { "start": 2026.2399999999998, "end": 2028.2399999999998, "text": " glued to a tablet." }, { "start": 2028.2399999999998, "end": 2032.4799999999998, "text": " No, no, no, it was glued to a battery pack that he was using." }, { "start": 2032.4799999999998, "end": 2033.4799999999998, "text": " Evan is insane." }, { "start": 2033.4799999999998, "end": 2036.56, "text": " Evan, if you're watching, I love you, but you're insane." }, { "start": 2036.56, "end": 2041.04, "text": " Anyway, so he had a Nexus One there and we all picked it up and it felt and looked like" }, { "start": 2041.04, "end": 2042.4799999999998, "text": " a child's toy." }, { "start": 2042.4799999999998, "end": 2045.2399999999998, "text": " It was so small." }, { "start": 2045.24, "end": 2048.2, "text": " I'm sure that if you used it for a while you'd get used to it and you might even come to" }, { "start": 2048.2, "end": 2049.4, "text": " prefer it." }, { "start": 2049.4, "end": 2055.92, "text": " But it just struck me, that for me really was the moment that I realized how far we've" }, { "start": 2055.92, "end": 2058.96, "text": " come in terms of our perception of phone screen size in the past two years." }, { "start": 2058.96, "end": 2065.68, "text": " Here we look at this Nexus One now and it just looks tiny." }, { "start": 2065.68, "end": 2070.44, "text": " So also announced in Japan is LG's Optimus G Pro, which was rumored this week and then" }, { "start": 2070.44, "end": 2076.76, "text": " it was officially unveiled by NTT DoCoMo, which is a 5-inch version of the Optimus G" }, { "start": 2076.76, "end": 2081.92, "text": " that has a 1080p display and chances are we will see the global version of this announced" }, { "start": 2081.92, "end": 2083.4, "text": " at NWC." }, { "start": 2083.4, "end": 2086.54, "text": " So it's just yet another 5-inch phone on the market." }, { "start": 2086.54, "end": 2095.12, "text": " So that's what we've got the J-Butterfly Droid DNA, the Sony Xperia Z and the LG Optimus" }, { "start": 2095.12, "end": 2097.04, "text": " Z." }, { "start": 2097.04, "end": 2100.92, "text": " So those are all in the 5-inch 1080p." }, { "start": 2100.92, "end": 2112.36, "text": " Yeah, then there's the ZTE and the Oppo Find 5." }, { "start": 2112.36, "end": 2116.32, "text": " Don't include the Oppo in the same conversation as the rest of these." }, { "start": 2116.32, "end": 2122.72, "text": " Oh dude, you've got to see the UI on that thing." }, { "start": 2122.72, "end": 2125.52, "text": " That's my regret from CES is not seeing the Oppo." }, { "start": 2125.52, "end": 2127.72, "text": " Animations and madness." }, { "start": 2127.72, "end": 2134.56, "text": " If we think the Japanese are slightly different from us, the Koreans and the software that" }, { "start": 2134.56, "end": 2139.2, "text": " they load on their devices are just like a whole other planet." }, { "start": 2139.2, "end": 2144.7599999999998, "text": " Do you guys remember three or four years ago there was that fake Oppo phone going around" }, { "start": 2144.7599999999998, "end": 2147.36, "text": " and they reversed letters and it was the poop phone?" }, { "start": 2147.36, "end": 2154.24, "text": " It was the Oppo logo but they just switched the P's to it." }, { "start": 2154.24, "end": 2158.68, "text": " It was being sold in China and presumably they didn't realize what poop meant." }, { "start": 2158.68, "end": 2162.4399999999996, "text": " It was definitely one of my favorite posts that I wrote at Engadget." }, { "start": 2162.4399999999996, "end": 2165.12, "text": " It was a very special moment for me." }, { "start": 2165.12, "end": 2166.12, "text": " We have to look that up." }, { "start": 2166.12, "end": 2167.12, "text": " I vaguely remember that." }, { "start": 2167.12, "end": 2172.24, "text": " Yeah, just Google the poop phone and it'll come up." }, { "start": 2172.24, "end": 2175.56, "text": " You own the Google juice on the poop phone." }, { "start": 2175.56, "end": 2177.12, "text": " I'm Googling it right now." }, { "start": 2177.12, "end": 2179.7999999999997, "text": " I'm sure it'll be on page one." }, { "start": 2179.7999999999997, "end": 2184.04, "text": " Maybe they were faking the Oppo as the brand because that was the way that HTC was branding" }, { "start": 2184.04, "end": 2187.32, "text": " its phones in China for a long time." }, { "start": 2187.32, "end": 2191.08, "text": " No, but the Dope Pod logo was different." }, { "start": 2191.08, "end": 2192.08, "text": " It looked like the Oppo." }, { "start": 2192.08, "end": 2193.08, "text": " It was the Oppo logo." }, { "start": 2193.08, "end": 2194.08, "text": " It was the same typeface." }, { "start": 2194.08, "end": 2197.08, "text": " Yeah, shoot, I'm not on page one." }, { "start": 2197.08, "end": 2204.96, "text": " But John Biggs of Crunchyrolls.com, yeah, he's got it on lockdown." }, { "start": 2204.96, "end": 2208.16, "text": " Yep, there it is, the poop phone." }, { "start": 2208.16, "end": 2213.4, "text": " Anyway, sorry to derail the conversation." }, { "start": 2213.4, "end": 2216.76, "text": " Any time that you want to derail the conversation and talk about the poop phone, it's OK with" }, { "start": 2216.76, "end": 2217.76, "text": " me." }, { "start": 2217.76, "end": 2222.7200000000003, "text": " I just don't think that Oppo has earned the right yet to be included in the same conversation" }, { "start": 2222.7200000000003, "end": 2225.2000000000003, "text": " as the rest of these brands." }, { "start": 2225.2000000000003, "end": 2229.52, "text": " The gold standard for me, and I know that this is a very American thing to say, but" }, { "start": 2229.52, "end": 2234.92, "text": " for me the gold standard is if you can convince an American carrier to carry a device of yours," }, { "start": 2234.92, "end": 2237.6, "text": " then you deserve to be included in that conversation." }, { "start": 2237.6, "end": 2240.6800000000003, "text": " Otherwise you're just a second tier OEM." }, { "start": 2240.6800000000003, "end": 2242.8, "text": " Well, yeah." }, { "start": 2242.8, "end": 2246.0800000000004, "text": " A second tier is actually being charitable to Oppo." }, { "start": 2246.0800000000004, "end": 2247.0800000000004, "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 2247.0800000000004, "end": 2249.6400000000003, "text": " Come on, they're on an upward trajectory." }, { "start": 2249.6400000000003, "end": 2250.6400000000003, "text": " That's what we can say." }, { "start": 2250.6400000000003, "end": 2256.84, "text": " They're going up, we're just jumping on their bandwagon nice and early, so in like 10 years'" }, { "start": 2256.84, "end": 2262.76, "text": " time when they finally catch up and they get this stuff together and they're right there" }, { "start": 2262.76, "end": 2264.2400000000002, "text": " with Sense 15." }, { "start": 2264.2400000000002, "end": 2269.1200000000003, "text": " Then we'll know, yeah, I call these guys." }, { "start": 2269.1200000000003, "end": 2271.8, "text": " About a dozen years ago I called it." }, { "start": 2271.8, "end": 2277.84, "text": " If Sense continues on the same trajectory that we're seeing in Sense 5, there's just" }, { "start": 2277.84, "end": 2283.52, "text": " going to come a point in time where it's indistinguishable from stock Android." }, { "start": 2283.52, "end": 2287.28, "text": " They'll brand it in some way so that it sounds like super advanced when in reality it's" }, { "start": 2287.28, "end": 2288.28, "text": " just super fast." }, { "start": 2288.28, "end": 2289.52, "text": " Last thing I'm going to say about Sense." }, { "start": 2289.52, "end": 2291.0800000000004, "text": " Give us a freaking option, man." }, { "start": 2291.0800000000004, "end": 2293.1600000000003, "text": " Give us a toggle." }, { "start": 2293.1600000000003, "end": 2294.2000000000003, "text": " Stock or Sense." }, { "start": 2294.2000000000003, "end": 2295.52, "text": " Make sense to default, that's fine." }, { "start": 2295.52, "end": 2297.44, "text": " I'll find the option." }, { "start": 2297.44, "end": 2301.48, "text": " I'll dig up the freaking option and I'll just toggle it and switch to stock." }, { "start": 2301.48, "end": 2303.28, "text": " He's not going to kill anybody." }, { "start": 2303.28, "end": 2307.52, "text": " I guarantee you people will not die." }, { "start": 2307.52, "end": 2313.92, "text": " It might kill HTC's engineers because that's an entirely new round of validation that they" }, { "start": 2313.92, "end": 2319.4, "text": " need to go through to make sure that they have the phone working 100% with stock just" }, { "start": 2319.4, "end": 2322.64, "text": " as they do with Sense." }, { "start": 2322.64, "end": 2328.36, "text": " That's why it takes the signage and guys so long to ship a stable ROM for new devices" }, { "start": 2328.36, "end": 2335.8, "text": " is because it isn't as simple as compiling AOSP and dropping it on a new phone." }, { "start": 2335.8, "end": 2338.52, "text": " There are drivers that you need to compile into the kernel." }, { "start": 2338.52, "end": 2340, "text": " It's a huge nightmare." }, { "start": 2340, "end": 2341, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2341, "end": 2346.88, "text": " Well, I said that was the last thing I'm going to say about it so I'm not going to talk about" }, { "start": 2346.88, "end": 2347.88, "text": " it anymore." }, { "start": 2347.88, "end": 2351.56, "text": " Quick mention, going back to the LG." }, { "start": 2351.56, "end": 2356.1400000000003, "text": " That phone was one of the quickest to go from being rumored, which actually happened last" }, { "start": 2356.14, "end": 2363.68, "text": " week or maybe the week before, the Optimus G Pro and then boom, it's announced in Japan." }, { "start": 2363.68, "end": 2368.3199999999997, "text": " This is kind of a funny story because the same exact thing happened with LG and the" }, { "start": 2368.3199999999997, "end": 2369.8799999999997, "text": " Optimus G last year." }, { "start": 2369.8799999999997, "end": 2370.8799999999997, "text": " That's true." }, { "start": 2370.8799999999997, "end": 2375, "text": " The Japanese carrier partners were like, well, we're showing it off now." }, { "start": 2375, "end": 2376, "text": " Here you go." }, { "start": 2376, "end": 2379.6, "text": " Then LG has its big event weeks later that unveils it for the rest of the world even" }, { "start": 2379.6, "end": 2383.08, "text": " though everybody, if you've been paying attention, had seen it already." }, { "start": 2383.08, "end": 2384.08, "text": " That's the thing." }, { "start": 2384.08, "end": 2390.12, "text": " You can't just foresee the event at MWC where this really straight-laced Korean executive" }, { "start": 2390.12, "end": 2392.7999999999997, "text": " steps up to the stage and he's really nervous." }, { "start": 2392.7999999999997, "end": 2396.84, "text": " It's like one of the biggest moments of his life and he's playing it completely straight" }, { "start": 2396.84, "end": 2406.12, "text": " and he's like, the Optimus G Pro, five inches, 1080p display, IPS, it has an RGB." }, { "start": 2406.12, "end": 2408.12, "text": " It's no bullshit AMOLED." }, { "start": 2408.12, "end": 2410.4, "text": " Excuse me." }, { "start": 2410.4, "end": 2412.48, "text": " It's a real IPS display, guys." }, { "start": 2412.48, "end": 2413.48, "text": " This is really awesome." }, { "start": 2413.48, "end": 2418.8, "text": " Everyone will be like, yeah, dude, we saw that in Japan last month." }, { "start": 2418.8, "end": 2422.8, "text": " You just single-handedly took the Verge Mobile show from a G-rated podcast to a PG-rated" }, { "start": 2422.8, "end": 2424.4, "text": " podcast, lad." }, { "start": 2424.4, "end": 2429.72, "text": " While quoting a future." }, { "start": 2429.72, "end": 2430.72, "text": " I think that's okay." }, { "start": 2430.72, "end": 2434.08, "text": " I think that's allowed." }, { "start": 2434.08, "end": 2439.4, "text": " Look, I still don't think, I know the Droid DNA is a pretty baller phone, I get it." }, { "start": 2439.4, "end": 2442.36, "text": " I still don't believe in the five-inch 1080p panel." }, { "start": 2442.36, "end": 2451.1600000000003, "text": " I don't need that dot pitch and I don't need a five-inch device." }, { "start": 2451.1600000000003, "end": 2455.8, "text": " People keep telling me, just carry the Note 2 around for a week and you'll love it." }, { "start": 2455.8, "end": 2456.8, "text": " No, I won't." }, { "start": 2456.8, "end": 2459.2400000000002, "text": " I just returned my Note 2 review unit." }, { "start": 2459.2400000000002, "end": 2462.4, "text": " I couldn't wait to get that out of my office." }, { "start": 2462.4, "end": 2463.4, "text": " I hear you." }, { "start": 2463.4, "end": 2469.2400000000002, "text": " You know what's really funny to me is that Samsung, there have been these rumors of the" }, { "start": 2469.24, "end": 2475.72, "text": " Galaxy Note 3 moving to 6.3 inches, which makes a lot of sense if the Galaxy S4 is going" }, { "start": 2475.72, "end": 2480.72, "text": " to be a 5-inch or 4.99-inch 1080p device." }, { "start": 2480.72, "end": 2486.4799999999996, "text": " Here they're going to probably announce it at IFA, just like they normally do." }, { "start": 2486.4799999999996, "end": 2492.64, "text": " They will have already been bested by Sony's 6.44-inch device." }, { "start": 2492.64, "end": 2497.4399999999996, "text": " They're just going to look like complete busters." }, { "start": 2497.44, "end": 2502.92, "text": " The Korean manufacturers, Samsung and LG, for years and years and years have been known" }, { "start": 2502.92, "end": 2507.52, "text": " for really pushing numbers as being very mean." }, { "start": 2507.52, "end": 2510.28, "text": " The world's best or the world's biggest or the world's brightest." }, { "start": 2510.28, "end": 2513.96, "text": " Those kinds of superlatives are very important to their marketing." }, { "start": 2513.96, "end": 2516.7200000000003, "text": " That's not something they're going to be able to push with the Galaxy Note 3, at least in" }, { "start": 2516.7200000000003, "end": 2517.7200000000003, "text": " terms of styles." }, { "start": 2517.7200000000003, "end": 2518.7200000000003, "text": " If it is, in fact, 6.3." }, { "start": 2518.7200000000003, "end": 2526.8, "text": " In fact, I bet Samsung is going back to the labs right now and make it get 6.5." }, { "start": 2526.8, "end": 2528.48, "text": " I have been on to do that before." }, { "start": 2528.48, "end": 2529.48, "text": " 6.45." }, { "start": 2529.48, "end": 2530.48, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2530.48, "end": 2534.6800000000003, "text": " Samsung did take their very first 10-inch Galaxy Tab." }, { "start": 2534.6800000000003, "end": 2539.5600000000004, "text": " They saw the iPad get refreshed and they were like, actually, our thing is garbage." }, { "start": 2539.5600000000004, "end": 2543.28, "text": " We need to make this thing thinner, so we'll just reintroduce it." }, { "start": 2543.28, "end": 2550.2000000000003, "text": " They have done that in the past, but at the same time, it's such a meaningless and random" }, { "start": 2550.2000000000003, "end": 2551.2000000000003, "text": " thing to claim." }, { "start": 2551.2000000000003, "end": 2552.2000000000003, "text": " It's the biggest." }, { "start": 2552.2000000000003, "end": 2555.2400000000002, "text": " It's the biggest until the 7-inch devices come along." }, { "start": 2555.2400000000002, "end": 2556.2400000000002, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2556.24, "end": 2564.52, "text": " Honestly, it's like... Somebody once again tweeted Samsung's display... Samsung's coverage" }, { "start": 2564.52, "end": 2567.4399999999996, "text": " of the display range, the display plethora." }, { "start": 2567.4399999999996, "end": 2574.56, "text": " It was like 2.8, 3.1, 3.3, 3.7, 3.9, 4, et cetera, et cetera." }, { "start": 2574.56, "end": 2582.52, "text": " If you notice, and if you follow that, there's a giant gap between 5.5 and 7.0." }, { "start": 2582.52, "end": 2583.52, "text": " I'm tired." }, { "start": 2583.52, "end": 2585.3999999999996, "text": " You didn't do it, man." }, { "start": 2585.4, "end": 2591.7200000000003, "text": " The sad thing is it will probably sell again because people are people and we don't understand" }, { "start": 2591.7200000000003, "end": 2592.7200000000003, "text": " them." }, { "start": 2592.7200000000003, "end": 2593.7200000000003, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2593.7200000000003, "end": 2596.36, "text": " It'll sell like gangbusters, man." }, { "start": 2596.36, "end": 2601.96, "text": " To use a term from the 1920s, because I don't know better what to use." }, { "start": 2601.96, "end": 2604.04, "text": " We won't get it because we just don't get it, man." }, { "start": 2604.04, "end": 2605.04, "text": " We just don't get it." }, { "start": 2605.04, "end": 2607.7200000000003, "text": " Okay, but let's not make this an entire show about size." }, { "start": 2607.7200000000003, "end": 2612.2400000000002, "text": " The last thing I just want to mention is I do want to cast doubt on the idea of a 4.7-inch" }, { "start": 2612.2400000000002, "end": 2615.32, "text": " 1080p display on the HCM7." }, { "start": 2615.32, "end": 2620.04, "text": " Because nobody has done 1080p at 4.7 inches." }, { "start": 2620.04, "end": 2624.4, "text": " That's the densest we would have had." }, { "start": 2624.4, "end": 2627.8, "text": " No one has shown a sample?" }, { "start": 2627.8, "end": 2628.8, "text": " Not to my knowledge." }, { "start": 2628.8, "end": 2632.6400000000003, "text": " Not even the display makers." }, { "start": 2632.6400000000003, "end": 2636, "text": " I'm challenging your notion on the Googles right now." }, { "start": 2636, "end": 2637.32, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 2637.32, "end": 2638.32, "text": " Why do that?" }, { "start": 2638.32, "end": 2645.7200000000003, "text": " We can switch it up and talk about RIM." }, { "start": 2645.7200000000003, "end": 2646.7200000000003, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2646.7200000000003, "end": 2654.04, "text": " Speaking of leaks, obviously RIM's got its big event next week." }, { "start": 2654.04, "end": 2656.32, "text": " We talked about this a little bit last week." }, { "start": 2656.32, "end": 2660.92, "text": " More stuff continues to flood the Internet with what the device looks like, what the" }, { "start": 2660.92, "end": 2663.56, "text": " operating system looks like, and things like that." }, { "start": 2663.56, "end": 2673.68, "text": " We just saw this past week, we saw a Verizon's promo page that leaked that was talking about" }, { "start": 2673.68, "end": 2676.7999999999997, "text": " the Z10, as Vlad would like to say." }, { "start": 2676.7999999999997, "end": 2681.44, "text": " It shows it in white, so it looks like Verizon will be carrying it in white." }, { "start": 2681.44, "end": 2687.2, "text": " We also had a whole rash of screenshots leak earlier this week that go through the whole" }, { "start": 2687.2, "end": 2694.66, "text": " setup of a new device and various settings menus on BlackBerry 10." }, { "start": 2694.66, "end": 2696.68, "text": " It's out there if you want to know what it's going to be like." }, { "start": 2696.68, "end": 2698.68, "text": " What are your thoughts on it, Dan?" }, { "start": 2698.68, "end": 2700.8799999999997, "text": " Looking at the screenshots." }, { "start": 2700.8799999999997, "end": 2704.72, "text": " They look very BlackBerry to me." }, { "start": 2704.72, "end": 2707.8399999999997, "text": " The screenshots really don't get me that excited for a couple of reasons." }, { "start": 2707.8399999999997, "end": 2714.2, "text": " One, they're very much, they look like BlackBerry to me." }, { "start": 2714.2, "end": 2720.3199999999997, "text": " They don't have that polish and that design aesthetic and sharpness that I see even with" }, { "start": 2720.3199999999997, "end": 2726.7599999999998, "text": " Android 4.2 and certainly with iOS and with Windows Phone, which has always been kind" }, { "start": 2726.7599999999998, "end": 2729, "text": " of like a bummer for me for BlackBerry." }, { "start": 2729, "end": 2732.16, "text": " The other problem with the screenshots is they're just like a whole bunch of settings" }, { "start": 2732.16, "end": 2736.3399999999997, "text": " screenshots, and they're not loaded with data or with information, so it's really hard to" }, { "start": 2736.3399999999997, "end": 2740.3999999999996, "text": " get a feel of what it'll be like using the thing in day-to-day use." }, { "start": 2740.4, "end": 2744.6800000000003, "text": " So I don't want to be too judgmental based on those screenshots." }, { "start": 2744.6800000000003, "end": 2749.52, "text": " Chris, how's the search going?" }, { "start": 2749.52, "end": 2753.64, "text": " I cannot find any 4.7 or 1080p panels that have been shown." }, { "start": 2753.64, "end": 2756.32, "text": " Dude, this is my realm." }, { "start": 2756.32, "end": 2759.32, "text": " You have it on lockdown." }, { "start": 2759.32, "end": 2760.32, "text": " Displays." }, { "start": 2760.32, "end": 2761.32, "text": " You have it on lockdown." }, { "start": 2761.32, "end": 2762.32, "text": " I admit." }, { "start": 2762.32, "end": 2765.88, "text": " I mean, it's the truth though, isn't it?" }, { "start": 2765.88, "end": 2769.96, "text": " Displays are basically the one spec that remains that matters in devices nowadays." }, { "start": 2769.96, "end": 2776, "text": " Like if you're going to get one thing right, get your display right first." }, { "start": 2776, "end": 2779.84, "text": " Get the dimensions right, get the technology right, and then go from there." }, { "start": 2779.84, "end": 2784, "text": " Yeah, I feel like we're kind of at the point now where it's hard to screw up a display" }, { "start": 2784, "end": 2792.2400000000002, "text": " because there are so many really good technologies out there for making them gapless and for" }, { "start": 2792.2400000000002, "end": 2796.7200000000003, "text": " not having a really crappy like pentile appearance." }, { "start": 2796.7200000000003, "end": 2799.6, "text": " They kind of have all their bases covered." }, { "start": 2799.6, "end": 2802.88, "text": " That wasn't necessarily the case a year ago, but we're at the point now where there's" }, { "start": 2802.88, "end": 2804.64, "text": " just no excuse." }, { "start": 2804.64, "end": 2809.4, "text": " And that's something that, Dan, I think you've probably had the most experience for some" }, { "start": 2809.4, "end": 2814.16, "text": " reason with the Razer Max HD." }, { "start": 2814.16, "end": 2819.64, "text": " And would you say that they've kind of gotten the display thing figured out now?" }, { "start": 2819.64, "end": 2822.08, "text": " Save for the Max HD, sure." }, { "start": 2822.08, "end": 2823.44, "text": " I can't look at that display." }, { "start": 2823.44, "end": 2824.44, "text": " It just hurts my eyes." }, { "start": 2824.44, "end": 2825.44, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 2825.44, "end": 2832.44, "text": " The Max HD's display is so oversaturated, it's like you're on a mushroom trip every" }, { "start": 2832.44, "end": 2834.08, "text": " time that you look at it." }, { "start": 2834.08, "end": 2835.08, "text": " It drives me nuts." }, { "start": 2835.08, "end": 2836.92, "text": " And it's like over sharp." }, { "start": 2836.92, "end": 2841.32, "text": " You know when someone went into Photoshop with an image and they just like way overdid" }, { "start": 2841.32, "end": 2844.7200000000003, "text": " the sharpness and it just hurts your eyes to look at it." }, { "start": 2844.7200000000003, "end": 2847.88, "text": " That's exactly how I feel about the Razer Max HD display." }, { "start": 2847.88, "end": 2850.84, "text": " And the Razer M display to an even greater extent." }, { "start": 2850.84, "end": 2855.76, "text": " Funny enough, as soon as Chris said Pentile, the only thing that popped into my mind was" }, { "start": 2855.76, "end": 2856.76, "text": " Motorola." }, { "start": 2856.76, "end": 2858.6400000000003, "text": " That's just bad form for a phone." }, { "start": 2858.6400000000003, "end": 2859.6400000000003, "text": " Galaxy Nexus said Pentile." }, { "start": 2859.6400000000003, "end": 2863.8, "text": " Yeah, I was going to say, the funniest thing about that is that Pentile is literally a" }, { "start": 2863.8, "end": 2865.2000000000003, "text": " Samsung trademark." }, { "start": 2865.2000000000003, "end": 2867.56, "text": " Like they own 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"text": " That's old." }, { "start": 2899.96, "end": 2903.3599999999997, "text": " That's from like a year ago." }, { "start": 2903.36, "end": 2906.36, "text": " 4.3 inches." }, { "start": 2906.36, "end": 2907.36, "text": " 4.3?" }, { "start": 2907.36, "end": 2909.96, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 2909.96, "end": 2912.88, "text": " Surely that would have been 4.3 and 720." }, { "start": 2912.88, "end": 2914.36, "text": " Yeah this has to be 720." }, { "start": 2914.36, "end": 2915.4, "text": " Oh, you know what?" }, { "start": 2915.4, "end": 2919.8, "text": " I think I saw, oh maybe not." }, { "start": 2919.8, "end": 2923.7200000000003, "text": " I may have seen this phone at SeaTac when I was there." }, { "start": 2923.7200000000003, "end": 2930.1200000000003, "text": " Well in any case, let's actually drag this back to BackBerry because there was really" }, { "start": 2930.12, "end": 2939.7599999999998, "text": " a truly hilarious moment that happened with RIM when Thorsten Heinz noted that the company" }, { "start": 2939.7599999999998, "end": 2943.8399999999997, "text": " is willing to consider selling off its hardware unit and just becoming a software and services" }, { "start": 2943.8399999999997, "end": 2945.88, "text": " company." }, { "start": 2945.88, "end": 2949.04, "text": " And then its stock price shot up." }, { "start": 2949.04, "end": 2954.12, "text": " I mean that's how bad RIM is doing." }, { "start": 2954.12, "end": 2957.2799999999997, "text": " You say you're considering selling off and then your stock price shoots up because people" }, { "start": 2957.28, "end": 2962.4, "text": " don't trust you to manage your resources and what you have properly." }, { "start": 2962.4, "end": 2965.84, "text": " Yeah, but I think that's kind of always true." }, { "start": 2965.84, "end": 2971.2000000000003, "text": " It's pretty common for a company to say that it's exploring selling off a unit and its" }, { "start": 2971.2000000000003, "end": 2974.32, "text": " stock price goes up." }, { "start": 2974.32, "end": 2981.92, "text": " And to be fair, I think it's like a universal, it's a truism in the entire technology industry" }, { "start": 2981.92, "end": 2988.4, "text": " that software and services are much more profitable than hardware is, which is why IBM is primary." }, { "start": 2988.4, "end": 2989.4, "text": " Except for Apple." }, { "start": 2989.4, "end": 2992.2400000000002, "text": " Apple is like the one thing that proves that rule." }, { "start": 2992.2400000000002, "end": 2994.2400000000002, "text": " Yeah, that's true." }, { "start": 2994.2400000000002, "end": 3002.96, "text": " Yeah, but then Apple makes stuff like this and stuff that you want to rub on your face." }, { "start": 3002.96, "end": 3011.2000000000003, "text": " So I see for this NO7D, I see a mention in the text of 1920 by 1080, but I think that" }, { "start": 3011.2, "end": 3012.2, "text": " might be video recording." }, { "start": 3012.2, "end": 3016.8399999999997, "text": " Anyway, I'm done with you this thing." }, { "start": 3016.8399999999997, "end": 3020.64, "text": " You just see the numbers in a bunch of Japanese, aren't you, Chris?" }, { "start": 3020.64, "end": 3021.64, "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 3021.64, "end": 3023.12, "text": " That's exactly what I think." }, { "start": 3023.12, "end": 3030.24, "text": " No, but to me it's a perfect storm with RIM because it's a double whammy of no confidence." }, { "start": 3030.24, "end": 3036.3199999999997, "text": " So RIM itself is saying we're not confident that we can continue operating the company" }, { "start": 3036.32, "end": 3042, "text": " that we're operating, even though that's what we're building up to on January 30th, hardware," }, { "start": 3042, "end": 3044.4, "text": " software, selling devices." }, { "start": 3044.4, "end": 3050.6800000000003, "text": " So as soon as we launch this massive new revolution, which everything is being bet on, we're going" }, { "start": 3050.6800000000003, "end": 3055.8, "text": " to start looking into selling it all off because we're not confident that we'll make profitability" }, { "start": 3055.8, "end": 3056.8, "text": " out of it." }, { "start": 3056.8, "end": 3057.8, "text": " So that's number one." }, { "start": 3057.8, "end": 3061.7200000000003, "text": " And then the market itself says, you know what, we agree with you guys and we think" }, { "start": 3061.72, "end": 3066.24, "text": " if you set everything up and split it up, it will be better than if you just keep running" }, { "start": 3066.24, "end": 3067.24, "text": " it." }, { "start": 3067.24, "end": 3069.7999999999997, "text": " So it's like number two with the no confidence." }, { "start": 3069.7999999999997, "end": 3073.68, "text": " So basically the market is doing the whole Michael Dell thing, saying give the money" }, { "start": 3073.68, "end": 3075.7999999999997, "text": " back to shareholders." }, { "start": 3075.7999999999997, "end": 3077.2799999999997, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3077.2799999999997, "end": 3083.16, "text": " And the question is, who would be, with all due respect, who would be dumb enough to pick" }, { "start": 3083.16, "end": 3091.2799999999997, "text": " up RIM's hardware business and agree to shoulder the cost of designing, hopefully, you know," }, { "start": 3091.28, "end": 3097.48, "text": " revenue generating slash profitable new phones running completely unproven platform in Blackberry" }, { "start": 3097.48, "end": 3098.48, "text": " 10." }, { "start": 3098.48, "end": 3106.1200000000003, "text": " I have no idea who, unless it was like just a complete fire sale, I don't understand who" }, { "start": 3106.1200000000003, "end": 3108.8, "text": " would pick that up and why." }, { "start": 3108.8, "end": 3113.44, "text": " Amazon and Facebook just for the hardware designers?" }, { "start": 3113.44, "end": 3115.32, "text": " I guess, but if you look at the Z..." }, { "start": 3115.32, "end": 3119.44, "text": " And I'm not really talking about industrial designers because RIM hasn't done industrial" }, { "start": 3119.44, "end": 3121.7200000000003, "text": " design for, I don't know, two decades?" }, { "start": 3121.7200000000003, "end": 3125.88, "text": " Yeah, the Z10 is not an impressive piece of industrial design." }, { "start": 3125.88, "end": 3129.92, "text": " But, you know, this is the thing, this is the expertise that we keep talking about with" }, { "start": 3129.92, "end": 3134.4, "text": " Nokia Motorola, you know, the internal stuff, the antenna, engineering, the stuff under" }, { "start": 3134.4, "end": 3135.96, "text": " the hood." }, { "start": 3135.96, "end": 3140.6, "text": " That can be valuable and the staff that RIM has can be valuable to somebody like Amazon" }, { "start": 3140.6, "end": 3142.32, "text": " trying to build a smartphone." }, { "start": 3142.32, "end": 3143.32, "text": " That's true." }, { "start": 3143.32, "end": 3144.32, "text": " Yeah, I can see that." }, { "start": 3144.32, "end": 3145.32, "text": " I can see that." }, { "start": 3145.32, "end": 3152.04, "text": " But it would really have to be like one of those Amazon Today special value discount" }, { "start": 3152.04, "end": 3153.04, "text": " sales, you know?" }, { "start": 3153.04, "end": 3157.1200000000003, "text": " Like, buy this hardware unit, we did it next hour." }, { "start": 3157.1200000000003, "end": 3159.56, "text": " Gold box sale, RIM's hardware unit." }, { "start": 3159.56, "end": 3160.56, "text": " Basically, yeah." }, { "start": 3160.56, "end": 3161.56, "text": " 10% claimed." }, { "start": 3161.56, "end": 3166.88, "text": " Yeah, I mean, I don't know." }, { "start": 3166.88, "end": 3170.8, "text": " What hasn't Heinz said that RIM might sell?" }, { "start": 3170.8, "end": 3172.28, "text": " I mean, it's just..." }, { "start": 3172.28, "end": 3175.44, "text": " Yeah, I mean, it's been the company line for the past year." }, { "start": 3175.44, "end": 3179.36, "text": " Like, no options are off the table, has basically been his message." }, { "start": 3179.36, "end": 3180.84, "text": " So and I think that..." }, { "start": 3180.84, "end": 3182.88, "text": " These couplings, guys, are really nice." }, { "start": 3182.88, "end": 3185.52, "text": " My wife got them for me last year." }, { "start": 3185.52, "end": 3189.84, "text": " They're silver, you know, silver's coming back to style." }, { "start": 3189.84, "end": 3194.28, "text": " And I'm not saying that we won't sell these." }, { "start": 3194.28, "end": 3205.2000000000003, "text": " Yeah, I can't imagine this being the way that RIM separates its hardware and software divisions." }, { "start": 3205.2000000000003, "end": 3210.96, "text": " I could possibly see a sale or licensing of the software to other manufacturers, assuming" }, { "start": 3210.96, "end": 3213.1200000000003, "text": " that it's able to prove itself on the market." }, { "start": 3213.1200000000003, "end": 3217.1200000000003, "text": " Oh yeah, I think RIM will be desperate to license it to somebody." }, { "start": 3217.1200000000003, "end": 3221.48, "text": " Somebody signs up for it, RIM will be like, wait, you want this stuff?" }, { "start": 3221.48, "end": 3223.32, "text": " Okay, done." }, { "start": 3223.32, "end": 3226.2000000000003, "text": " They have no interest in being exclusive on the software." }, { "start": 3226.2000000000003, "end": 3228.52, "text": " They want to spread out as much as they can." }, { "start": 3228.52, "end": 3230.6400000000003, "text": " I just don't think that they will." }, { "start": 3230.6400000000003, "end": 3235.84, "text": " I still think it's really, really gloomy as far as RIM is concerned." }, { "start": 3235.84, "end": 3236.84, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3236.84, "end": 3238.28, "text": " Well, as far as..." }, { "start": 3238.28, "end": 3244.1000000000004, "text": " We talk about apps all the time with RIM and indeed there's written three reports on RIM's" }, { "start": 3244.1000000000004, "end": 3245.7200000000003, "text": " getting apps." }, { "start": 3245.7200000000003, "end": 3249.6000000000004, "text": " But it seems like every week, RIM announces that they've got more and more apps ready" }, { "start": 3249.6, "end": 3254.36, "text": " to go and more and more apps are being ported to BlackBerry 10." }, { "start": 3254.36, "end": 3258.48, "text": " It's looking like they will hit their goal of 70,000 available by launch." }, { "start": 3258.48, "end": 3262, "text": " Whether there will be 70,000 apps you want, that's another story." }, { "start": 3262, "end": 3263, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3263, "end": 3266.92, "text": " That's the million dollar, or in RIM's case, the billion dollar question." }, { "start": 3266.92, "end": 3267.92, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3267.92, "end": 3272.88, "text": " So, I'm sure we'll be talking about RIM a whole heck of a lot more next week and probably" }, { "start": 3272.88, "end": 3275.56, "text": " the week after that once their event hits." }, { "start": 3275.56, "end": 3278.6, "text": " What else do you guys want to talk about today?" }, { "start": 3278.6, "end": 3283.52, "text": " We've got a little bit of exciting financial news, as they say very sarcastically." }, { "start": 3283.52, "end": 3288.72, "text": " Oh, Chris, this is up your alley about AT&T finally is letting FaceTime on the iPhone" }, { "start": 3288.72, "end": 3289.72, "text": " 4S." }, { "start": 3289.72, "end": 3290.72, "text": " Whoop-de-doo." }, { "start": 3290.72, "end": 3297.6, "text": " Yeah, this really comes down to..." }, { "start": 3297.6, "end": 3304.52, "text": " It's a continuation of the efforts of public interest groups like Public Knowledge and" }, { "start": 3304.52, "end": 3314.96, "text": " FreePress to work with AT&T and FCC to kind of like push back on this notion that it's" }, { "start": 3314.96, "end": 3321.64, "text": " okay to just fly in the face of the tenets of net neutrality." }, { "start": 3321.64, "end": 3327.92, "text": " To be fair, the FCC's rules around net neutrality on wireless are practically non-existent." }, { "start": 3327.92, "end": 3332.32, "text": " They're very, very weak compared to the rules that they're trying to put..." }, { "start": 3332.32, "end": 3333.32, "text": " They're in court right now." }, { "start": 3333.32, "end": 3339.2400000000002, "text": " They're tied up in court, but there is an active effort on the part of the FCC to impose" }, { "start": 3339.2400000000002, "end": 3346.96, "text": " some pretty reasonable rules across the board on landline, but they are much weaker on mobile." }, { "start": 3346.96, "end": 3354.8, "text": " I think that AT&T recognized privately that this was a battle not worth fighting considering" }, { "start": 3354.8, "end": 3362, "text": " the PR nightmare that it was becoming for them because it was a very arbitrary decision." }, { "start": 3362, "end": 3367.56, "text": " This all being said, even though you can do FaceTime on the 4S now over cellular, I don't" }, { "start": 3367.56, "end": 3369.04, "text": " know if I'd want to." }, { "start": 3369.04, "end": 3378.12, "text": " HSPA still sucks in many areas, although for the first time ever last week, I was at O'Hare" }, { "start": 3378.12, "end": 3381.12, "text": " at a very, very busy time." }, { "start": 3381.12, "end": 3388.08, "text": " The airport was completely jam-packed, and AT&T LTE was slower than AT&T HSPA." }, { "start": 3388.08, "end": 3396.48, "text": " So I think that by quite a bit, on my speed test, I was only getting about 0.05 megabits" }, { "start": 3396.48, "end": 3403.48, "text": " down on LTE and about 0.5, half a megabit down on HSPA." }, { "start": 3403.48, "end": 3411.36, "text": " So the tide is turning in some markets at some times of day, I think, and that's going" }, { "start": 3411.36, "end": 3417.08, "text": " to create an interesting dynamic over the course of the next year or two as more people" }, { "start": 3417.08, "end": 3420.84, "text": " ditch their HSPA devices for LTE." }, { "start": 3420.84, "end": 3429.6, "text": " But yeah, the practical implication of this FaceTime move is virtually nil, but from a" }, { "start": 3429.6, "end": 3436.2, "text": " PR perspective and the aggressiveness to which they are being pursued by these public interest" }, { "start": 3436.2, "end": 3440.12, "text": " groups, I think that it was the right move for them to make." }, { "start": 3440.12, "end": 3447, "text": " I just want to say, since AT&T and FaceTime fiasco has been so fragmented, I've lost" }, { "start": 3447, "end": 3450.8, "text": " track of it a long, long time ago." }, { "start": 3450.8, "end": 3455.84, "text": " All I'm seeing is our head—I'm just giving you the across-the-bond perspective." }, { "start": 3455.84, "end": 3461.48, "text": " All I'm seeing is headlines about, AT&T allows FaceTime, AT&T doesn't allow FaceTime, AT&T's" }, { "start": 3461.48, "end": 3467.68, "text": " back, AT&T changes its mind again, now is the 4S, now is there something else?" }, { "start": 3467.68, "end": 3468.68, "text": " I've lost track." }, { "start": 3468.68, "end": 3470.84, "text": " I've just completely lost track." }, { "start": 3470.84, "end": 3478.1200000000003, "text": " I think Chris nailed it in saying it's really arbitrary and annoyingly annoying." }, { "start": 3478.1200000000003, "end": 3480.48, "text": " Yes, annoyingly arbitrary." }, { "start": 3480.48, "end": 3485, "text": " I think when the announcement came initially that they were going to allow it on the iPhone" }, { "start": 3485, "end": 3490.44, "text": " 5 but not on the iPhone 4S, I just kept screaming in our chat, this is so arbitrary, this is" }, { "start": 3490.44, "end": 3491.44, "text": " so arbitrary." }, { "start": 3491.44, "end": 3495.84, "text": " Right, because it wasn't limited to LTE at that time." }, { "start": 3495.84, "end": 3498.6800000000003, "text": " It was strictly a model decision." }, { "start": 3498.68, "end": 3504.64, "text": " Because the iPhone 5 could use it on HSPA+, if you were not on an LTE network, but the" }, { "start": 3504.64, "end": 3508.08, "text": " 4S could not, which made absolutely no sense." }, { "start": 3508.08, "end": 3509.08, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3509.08, "end": 3517.2, "text": " Let me also monopolize whatever's left of the podcast with some European news and segue" }, { "start": 3517.2, "end": 3521.3599999999997, "text": " into the idea that AT&T is looking into expanding into Europe." }, { "start": 3521.3599999999997, "end": 3524.64, "text": " You can have it." }, { "start": 3524.64, "end": 3529.2799999999997, "text": " Are you excited about American Telephone and Telegraph being in Europe?" }, { "start": 3529.2799999999997, "end": 3531.3199999999997, "text": " Does that make you happy?" }, { "start": 3531.3199999999997, "end": 3538.7999999999997, "text": " Dude, I think the first target is the UK, right?" }, { "start": 3538.7999999999997, "end": 3547.02, "text": " It looks like UK is everything everywhere and possibly a Dutch carrier company." }, { "start": 3547.02, "end": 3548.92, "text": " Everything everywhere is pretty big in the UK, right?" }, { "start": 3548.92, "end": 3552.4, "text": " They are T-Mobile and Orange, right?" }, { "start": 3552.4, "end": 3553.4, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 3553.4, "end": 3559.8, "text": " Well, I mean, everything everywhere at the moment, really trying to work out some sort" }, { "start": 3559.8, "end": 3566, "text": " of cogent strategy toward becoming one brand and one operation and killing off the Orange" }, { "start": 3566, "end": 3571, "text": " and T-Mobile brands and closing up the stores, which they've been doing, etc." }, { "start": 3571, "end": 3579.1600000000003, "text": " The thing with them, and I've seen their CEO, has a beautiful, beautiful name." }, { "start": 3579.16, "end": 3583.8799999999997, "text": " I think it's Olaf Swanty or something like that, but there you go." }, { "start": 3583.8799999999997, "end": 3589.08, "text": " My memories and what it used to be." }, { "start": 3589.08, "end": 3592.96, "text": " I've seen him do a couple of speeches and a couple of presentations, and he looks like" }, { "start": 3592.96, "end": 3596.2, "text": " a strained man, to be honest with you guys." }, { "start": 3596.2, "end": 3598, "text": " Maybe that's just me reading too much into it." }, { "start": 3598, "end": 3605.56, "text": " I feel like EE has a lot of money deeply invested into being the first 4G provider and beating" }, { "start": 3605.56, "end": 3607.7599999999998, "text": " everybody to the punch." }, { "start": 3607.76, "end": 3612, "text": " The company is trying as hard as it can to get as many customers as it can during this" }, { "start": 3612, "end": 3618.44, "text": " advanced period so that it can stay afloat, basically, so that it can survive." }, { "start": 3618.44, "end": 3622.76, "text": " Which is essentially the Sprint story of 2000." }, { "start": 3622.76, "end": 3627.0400000000004, "text": " When was it, 2010, when the first WiMax phone launched in the US?" }, { "start": 3627.0400000000004, "end": 3630.6400000000003, "text": " Yeah, that's a very good analogy, actually." }, { "start": 3630.6400000000003, "end": 3635.5600000000004, "text": " The only thing is that Sprint survived screwing up." }, { "start": 3635.56, "end": 3641.32, "text": " Thanks to SoftBank coming in and scooping them up." }, { "start": 3641.32, "end": 3645.36, "text": " Maybe AT&T will be EE's SoftBank." }, { "start": 3645.36, "end": 3646.6, "text": " Think about that." }, { "start": 3646.6, "end": 3655.48, "text": " No, because SoftBank isn't evil and blue and stuff." }, { "start": 3655.48, "end": 3658, "text": " That would be just a nightmare." }, { "start": 3658, "end": 3660.92, "text": " What I'm trying to illustrate is that it's a make or break situation." }, { "start": 3660.92, "end": 3667.8, "text": " For EE, they're trying really hard and they might not have the financial resources that" }, { "start": 3667.8, "end": 3671.36, "text": " you might imagine with the big promotional push that they're doing right now." }, { "start": 3671.36, "end": 3676.2000000000003, "text": " They might just be putting all their chips in now and saying, we either grow big now" }, { "start": 3676.2000000000003, "end": 3685.6, "text": " or we fail, which creates the vulnerability for a takeover by somebody like AT&T." }, { "start": 3685.6, "end": 3686.6, "text": " There's potential there." }, { "start": 3686.6, "end": 3693.7999999999997, "text": " I just see zero potential for consumer benefit if AT&T comes into the UK market." }, { "start": 3693.7999999999997, "end": 3696.88, "text": " Nothing particularly good is really going to emerge from that, I don't think." }, { "start": 3696.88, "end": 3705.08, "text": " They could do it very silently, just like Vodafone's presence via Verizon Wireless is" }, { "start": 3705.08, "end": 3706.68, "text": " very silent." }, { "start": 3706.68, "end": 3713.16, "text": " There's no aspect of Vodafone that comes through in the way Verizon presents itself." }, { "start": 3713.16, "end": 3721.3199999999997, "text": " Vodafone is a British company, AT&T is American." }, { "start": 3721.3199999999997, "end": 3729.16, "text": " Vodafone being understated and AT&T not is to be expected." }, { "start": 3729.16, "end": 3734.44, "text": " But Vodafone is, correct me if I'm wrong, I think that by total subscriber account," }, { "start": 3734.44, "end": 3742.08, "text": " they are the second largest wireless carrier in the world." }, { "start": 3742.08, "end": 3751, "text": " In terms of the quote unquote evil empire, it's hard to dispute that Vodafone is up in" }, { "start": 3751, "end": 3752, "text": " that group." }, { "start": 3752, "end": 3755.48, "text": " Not to say I think any of these companies are evil, I just think they're aggressively" }, { "start": 3755.48, "end": 3757.96, "text": " capitalist." }, { "start": 3757.96, "end": 3758.96, "text": " Which is evil." }, { "start": 3758.96, "end": 3759.96, "text": " Says the Bulgarian." }, { "start": 3759.96, "end": 3770.7999999999997, "text": " Like there's an associated political doctorate with Bulgaria." }, { "start": 3770.8, "end": 3779.0800000000004, "text": " We need to spend some time not being enslaved by somebody in order to have a doctorate." }, { "start": 3779.0800000000004, "end": 3782.52, "text": " This conversation is getting weird." }, { "start": 3782.52, "end": 3787.48, "text": " Just to bring it back to EE, this week they're introducing a couple of new price plans." }, { "start": 3787.48, "end": 3795.1200000000003, "text": " So now there's a 31 pound per month entry level price plan for the LTE service." }, { "start": 3795.12, "end": 3801.3599999999997, "text": " But it's kind of daft if you sign up for that because you need to sign up for two years," }, { "start": 3801.3599999999997, "end": 3803.16, "text": " SIM only so you don't get a phone with it." }, { "start": 3803.16, "end": 3807.24, "text": " But you sign up for two years, you pay 31 pounds per month and you get 500 megabytes" }, { "start": 3807.24, "end": 3808.24, "text": " of data." }, { "start": 3808.24, "end": 3814.16, "text": " So it's like you get really fast data if you're in the right area, you have the right connection" }, { "start": 3814.16, "end": 3816.52, "text": " and you only get half a gig of it." }, { "start": 3816.52, "end": 3818.96, "text": " Really fast data for a very short amount of time." }, { "start": 3818.96, "end": 3819.96, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 3819.96, "end": 3824.96, "text": " Yeah, 500 megabytes is criminally low for LTE." }, { "start": 3824.96, "end": 3830.84, "text": " You know 500 megabytes is like when we go to Barcelona for MWC and I have to buy a prepaid" }, { "start": 3830.84, "end": 3835.68, "text": " SIM card and we're there for a week and I'm like I don't know if 500 megabytes is enough." }, { "start": 3835.68, "end": 3841.08, "text": " I always end up buying a gig if I can whenever I'm in another country for a week or whatever" }, { "start": 3841.08, "end": 3846.8, "text": " because I'm afraid that just my using maps and email and whatever is going to use up" }, { "start": 3846.8, "end": 3847.8, "text": " 500 megabytes." }, { "start": 3847.8, "end": 3852.64, "text": " Yeah, 500 megabytes is just enough to get through your Twitter feed and look through" }, { "start": 3852.64, "end": 3856.4, "text": " the GIFs that Chris posts." }, { "start": 3856.4, "end": 3859.44, "text": " When is the last time I posted a GIF on Twitter?" }, { "start": 3859.44, "end": 3861.3199999999997, "text": " I don't know if I ever have." }, { "start": 3861.3199999999997, "end": 3862.96, "text": " It's been a long time." }, { "start": 3862.96, "end": 3865.68, "text": " I think it needs to happen more often." }, { "start": 3865.68, "end": 3870.3199999999997, "text": " I reject your criticism of my Twitter account." }, { "start": 3870.3199999999997, "end": 3876.08, "text": " Chris, it was a flagrant accusation and I withdraw it." }, { "start": 3876.08, "end": 3877.08, "text": " Thank you." }, { "start": 3877.08, "end": 3878.08, "text": " With my apologies." }, { "start": 3878.08, "end": 3879.08, "text": " Thank you." }, { "start": 3879.08, "end": 3884.72, "text": " Also, two P's that the power users, they're also doing a 46 pound per month 20 gigabytes" }, { "start": 3884.72, "end": 3885.72, "text": " plan." }, { "start": 3885.72, "end": 3886.72, "text": " Wait, wait, wait." }, { "start": 3886.72, "end": 3887.72, "text": " 20 gig?" }, { "start": 3887.72, "end": 3888.72, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3888.72, "end": 3894.4, "text": " So you go from 31 pounds per month for 500 megabytes to 46 pounds per month for 20 gigabytes" }, { "start": 3894.4, "end": 3896.84, "text": " which is 40 times the amount." }, { "start": 3896.84, "end": 3898.84, "text": " Right, but that's what they've done." }, { "start": 3898.84, "end": 3901.24, "text": " They just introduced more extreme versions." }, { "start": 3901.24, "end": 3904.4, "text": " So now they have the cheapest option and now they have the most massive option." }, { "start": 3904.4, "end": 3907.2, "text": " They still have price plans in between." }, { "start": 3907.2, "end": 3911.4399999999996, "text": " But it's only a 15 pound difference between the cheapest and the most expensive plan." }, { "start": 3911.4399999999996, "end": 3912.4399999999996, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3912.4399999999996, "end": 3915.2, "text": " Okay, so just to give you a comparison with AT&T." }, { "start": 3915.2, "end": 3924.72, "text": " So AT&T's mobile share plan, I think their lowest cost plan is $90 for two gigabytes" }, { "start": 3924.72, "end": 3927.68, "text": " and then that gets shared with whatever lines you add to it." }, { "start": 3927.68, "end": 3932.7599999999998, "text": " And then it goes up to like $250 or something for 10 gigabytes." }, { "start": 3932.76, "end": 3938.4, "text": " Yeah, but there's somebody coming around to your house giving you a massage every weekend," }, { "start": 3938.4, "end": 3939.4, "text": " right?" }, { "start": 3939.4, "end": 3946.2000000000003, "text": " They're massaging your wallet." }, { "start": 3946.2000000000003, "end": 3949.84, "text": " That was really, really freaking good actually." }, { "start": 3949.84, "end": 3956.0800000000004, "text": " As far as imagery goes, it was like high five." }, { "start": 3956.0800000000004, "end": 3960.8, "text": " On that note, I think on wallet massages we can call it a wrap for this week." }, { "start": 3960.8, "end": 3961.8, "text": " What say you guys?" }, { "start": 3961.8, "end": 3962.8, "text": " I agree." }, { "start": 3962.8, "end": 3966.2000000000003, "text": " So that's the Verge Mobile Show for this week." }, { "start": 3966.2000000000003, "end": 3969.2000000000003, "text": " If you want to follow us on Twitter, I'm DC Seifert." }, { "start": 3969.2000000000003, "end": 3970.6000000000004, "text": " Vlad is Vlad Savov." }, { "start": 3970.6000000000004, "end": 3974.48, "text": " Chris is Zpower and he promises to post more GIFs." }, { "start": 3974.48, "end": 3976.48, "text": " And Dieter is Backlon." }, { "start": 3976.48, "end": 3979.2000000000003, "text": " And hopefully Dieter will be back with us next week." }, { "start": 3979.2000000000003, "end": 3980.8, "text": " But who knows." }, { "start": 3980.8, "end": 3982.48, "text": " So that's it." }, { "start": 3982.48, "end": 3983.48, "text": " Thanks for watching guys." }, { "start": 3983.48, "end": 3984.48, "text": " Thanks guys." }, { "start": 3984.48, "end": 3992.48, "text": " See you next week." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 5.04, "text": " It's Monday, January 21st, 2013. I'm Dan Seifert, and I was wearing AR headsets on" }, { "start": 5.04, "end": 9.68, "text": " the subway way before anyone else. This is 90 Seconds on the Verge, presented by Ford." }, { "start": 9.68, "end": 14.120000000000001, "text": " Internet musician Jonathan Colton has accused the TV show Glee of ripping him off. At issue" }, { "start": 14.120000000000001, "end": 18.42, "text": " is a version of Baby Got Back set for this week's episode. The Glee track is clearly" }, { "start": 18.42, "end": 22.76, "text": " a recreation of Colton's pulxy cover. However, the changes he made to the original song likely" }, { "start": 22.76, "end": 26.76, "text": " aren't covered under copyright law, so Glee can use Colton's version however it likes," }, { "start": 26.76, "end": 28.44, "text": " even without asking permission." }, { "start": 28.44, "end": 32.52, "text": " Colton has also accused the show of sampling his recording directly. If true, that would" }, { "start": 32.52, "end": 37.120000000000005, "text": " set the stage for more serious ramifications. Kim Dotcom's new file storage service Mega" }, { "start": 37.120000000000005, "end": 41.5, "text": " has launched, with all of the absurd fanfare you were hoping for. The follow-up to Mega" }, { "start": 41.5, "end": 45.86, "text": " upload hit over one million users within a day of going live this past weekend. Dotcom" }, { "start": 45.86, "end": 49.16, "text": " kicked things off with an entertainment showcase and press conference from his New Zealand" }, { "start": 49.16, "end": 54, "text": " mansion saying, we cannot be stopped. He then disappeared into a secret lair hidden in a" }, { "start": 54, "end": 58.84, "text": " volcano. Okay, that last part didn't happen, but would you have been surprised?" }, { "start": 58.84, "end": 63.28, "text": " Finally, Amazon's delving into the undead. The company will be handling development for" }, { "start": 63.28, "end": 67.4, "text": " a television adaptation of Zombieland. Based on the Jesse Eisenberg and Woody Harrelson" }, { "start": 67.4, "end": 72.12, "text": " movie, the project had originally been earmarked for CBS. It will give Amazon original streaming" }, { "start": 72.12, "end": 75.92, "text": " content to take on Netflix, which is debuting House of Cards and new episodes of Arrested" }, { "start": 75.92, "end": 80.8, "text": " Development later this year. No word yet on whether Bill Murray is involved." }, { "start": 80.8, "end": 84.36, "text": " And that's it for today's top stories. Join us tomorrow where we'll be taking a look at" }, { "start": 84.36, "end": 114.32, "text": " famous presidential photobombs. Bill Clinton, you rapscallion." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 26.32, "text": " Hello, and welcome to the Vergecast." }, { "start": 26.32, "end": 31.52, "text": " The Vergecast is a place where we talk about our lives, our loves, our loves gone wrong," }, { "start": 31.52, "end": 33.96, "text": " and our lives gone right." }, { "start": 33.96, "end": 34.96, "text": " I'm Neil Apatow." }, { "start": 34.96, "end": 35.96, "text": " And Gadgetz." }, { "start": 35.96, "end": 36.96, "text": " Gadgetz!" }, { "start": 36.96, "end": 37.96, "text": " Gadgetz!" }, { "start": 37.96, "end": 38.96, "text": " I'm Paul Miller." }, { "start": 38.96, "end": 39.96, "text": " I'm Ross Miller." }, { "start": 39.96, "end": 40.96, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 40.96, "end": 41.96, "text": " That was, that kind of scared me." }, { "start": 41.96, "end": 45.120000000000005, "text": " This was intended to be extremely romantic and deep, and you guys just..." }, { "start": 45.120000000000005, "end": 46.120000000000005, "text": " I blame him." }, { "start": 46.120000000000005, "end": 47.120000000000005, "text": " Whoa!" }, { "start": 47.120000000000005, "end": 48.120000000000005, "text": " Oh, that's terrible." }, { "start": 48.120000000000005, "end": 49.120000000000005, "text": " The romance is dead." }, { "start": 49.120000000000005, "end": 50.120000000000005, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 50.120000000000005, "end": 51.120000000000005, "text": " Really, the love is truly gone in this room." }, { "start": 51.120000000000005, "end": 52.120000000000005, "text": " Oh, that's painful." }, { "start": 52.120000000000005, "end": 53.120000000000005, "text": " I'm still just thinking." }, { "start": 53.12, "end": 60.199999999999996, "text": " So let me explain what's happening with the Lovecast today." }, { "start": 60.199999999999996, "end": 62.08, "text": " It's the Lovecast." }, { "start": 62.08, "end": 66.36, "text": " What sounds romantic to the audience, and I'm sure that you think this is romantic," }, { "start": 66.36, "end": 71.88, "text": " is really just my voice being shot from CS, just completely destroyed." }, { "start": 71.88, "end": 72.88, "text": " You know what?" }, { "start": 72.88, "end": 74.12, "text": " Ross, I believe you're sick too." }, { "start": 74.12, "end": 75.12, "text": " I'm getting better." }, { "start": 75.12, "end": 76.12, "text": " I'm not better." }, { "start": 76.12, "end": 77.36, "text": " So Paul, you're basically in a hotbed of disease." }, { "start": 77.36, "end": 78.88, "text": " You said hot." }, { "start": 78.88, "end": 85.75999999999999, "text": " I came home and my roommate has bronchitis or something, and I'm doing fine." }, { "start": 85.75999999999999, "end": 86.75999999999999, "text": " You're doing great." }, { "start": 86.75999999999999, "end": 87.75999999999999, "text": " Which is real..." }, { "start": 87.75999999999999, "end": 88.75999999999999, "text": " I'm thankful." }, { "start": 88.75999999999999, "end": 90.56, "text": " You're not weakened by the internet." }, { "start": 90.56, "end": 91.56, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 91.56, "end": 92.56, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 92.56, "end": 93.56, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 93.56, "end": 94.56, "text": " Well, so it goes." }, { "start": 94.56, "end": 95.56, "text": " So anyway, look, we're back." }, { "start": 95.56, "end": 97.75999999999999, "text": " We're back from CS, from an insane week." }, { "start": 97.75999999999999, "end": 101.88, "text": " Paul, you use technology deeply and seriously for a whole week." }, { "start": 101.88, "end": 104, "text": " I looked at it, at least." }, { "start": 104, "end": 106.72, "text": " Yeah, you examined it." }, { "start": 106.72, "end": 109.76, "text": " I held that wall-way, that six-inch wall-way." }, { "start": 109.76, "end": 111.52, "text": " It wasn't connected?" }, { "start": 111.52, "end": 115.76, "text": " I have a lot to say about that six-inch wall-way, by the way." }, { "start": 115.76, "end": 116.76, "text": " I hate the word phablet." }, { "start": 116.76, "end": 117.76, "text": " I despise it." }, { "start": 117.76, "end": 118.76, "text": " Oh, yeah." }, { "start": 118.76, "end": 119.76, "text": " It is the worst word." }, { "start": 119.76, "end": 121.24, "text": " No, I just read about that in the Wall Street Journal." }, { "start": 121.24, "end": 122.24, "text": " Bad word." }, { "start": 122.24, "end": 124.28, "text": " It's a terrible word, but the thing is they're just phones." }, { "start": 124.28, "end": 125.86, "text": " They just run phone apps." }, { "start": 125.86, "end": 127.5, "text": " They're just gigantic phones." }, { "start": 127.5, "end": 133.2, "text": " If you have to come up with a new word to try to pretend that the thing is a phone or" }, { "start": 133.2, "end": 134.2, "text": " a tablet..." }, { "start": 134.2, "end": 136.04, "text": " Well, no, they were just pretending that it's a tablet." }, { "start": 136.04, "end": 137.6, "text": " It's how they're sneaking in this idea." }, { "start": 137.6, "end": 139, "text": " A tablet that makes phone calls." }, { "start": 139, "end": 140.88, "text": " Right, but it's not because it's just a phone." }, { "start": 140.88, "end": 143.56, "text": " It doesn't run any of the tablet apps." }, { "start": 143.56, "end": 145.88, "text": " Little of them there are." }, { "start": 145.88, "end": 149.88, "text": " But basically what they're trying to say is, look, this is clearly too big to put into" }, { "start": 149.88, "end": 150.88, "text": " your pocket." }, { "start": 150.88, "end": 154.68, "text": " This is really large." }, { "start": 154.68, "end": 155.68, "text": " It's silly large." }, { "start": 155.68, "end": 156.68, "text": " You're very mad about this." }, { "start": 156.68, "end": 157.68, "text": " Preposterously?" }, { "start": 157.68, "end": 158.68, "text": " Preposterously." }, { "start": 158.68, "end": 163.56, "text": " No, but it's not because we thought the Galaxy Note was preposterously large." }, { "start": 163.56, "end": 165.56, "text": " You're fired, Paul." }, { "start": 165.56, "end": 167.68, "text": " Preposterously large." }, { "start": 167.68, "end": 168.92000000000002, "text": " We thought it was stupid looking." }, { "start": 168.92000000000002, "end": 169.92000000000002, "text": " Right?" }, { "start": 169.92000000000002, "end": 170.92000000000002, "text": " It was so large." }, { "start": 170.92000000000002, "end": 172.04, "text": " But that's like what, 5.3?" }, { "start": 172.04, "end": 175.52, "text": " And now five-inch 1080p phones are like the best." }, { "start": 175.52, "end": 180.8, "text": " There's physical constraints to how large of something that you can mount on your hip." }, { "start": 180.8, "end": 181.8, "text": " Why would..." }, { "start": 181.8, "end": 182.8, "text": " Well, no, no, no." }, { "start": 182.8, "end": 183.8, "text": " You just get bigger hips." }, { "start": 183.8, "end": 184.8, "text": " First of all, you shouldn't..." }, { "start": 184.8, "end": 185.8, "text": " That's the American way." }, { "start": 185.8, "end": 186.8, "text": " Yeah, that's true." }, { "start": 186.8, "end": 187.8, "text": " Unless you're like..." }, { "start": 187.8, "end": 188.8, "text": " You are getting larger as a people." }, { "start": 188.8, "end": 190.68, "text": " Laura Croft can put all sorts of guns and stuff on her hips." }, { "start": 190.68, "end": 191.68, "text": " Also Batman." }, { "start": 191.68, "end": 192.68, "text": " Batman." }, { "start": 192.68, "end": 193.68, "text": " That's more on his waist though." }, { "start": 193.68, "end": 194.68, "text": " Well, it's all around." }, { "start": 194.68, "end": 195.68, "text": " Yeah, it's like, where does he get these wonderful phablets?" }, { "start": 195.68, "end": 196.68, "text": " It's like an utility belt." }, { "start": 196.68, "end": 197.68, "text": " It's an utility belt." }, { "start": 197.68, "end": 198.68, "text": " You don't do that." }, 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246.07999999999998, "text": " But I still don't want to call it a phablet." }, { "start": 246.07999999999998, "end": 247.07999999999998, "text": " I'm not doing it." }, { "start": 247.07999999999998, "end": 251.16, "text": " I think we should just call everything phones." }, { "start": 251.16, "end": 253.72, "text": " If it can make a call, it's a phone." }, { "start": 253.72, "end": 255.52, "text": " If the TV has Skype, it's a phone." }, { "start": 255.52, "end": 256.52, "text": " Well, yeah." }, { "start": 256.52, "end": 260.12, "text": " But I don't know who's to, I said this." }, { "start": 260.12, "end": 261.12, "text": " I like it." }, { "start": 261.12, "end": 262.12, "text": " Yeah, I know." }, { "start": 262.12, "end": 263.12, "text": " If the TV has Skype, it's a phone." }, { "start": 263.12, "end": 264.12, "text": " Your car, it's a phone now." }, { "start": 264.12, "end": 265.12, "text": " Your car is a phone." }, { "start": 265.12, "end": 267.12, "text": " Your car has been a phone for a long time." }, { "start": 267.12, "end": 272.04, "text": " And actually, I bet if you asked Ford or GM, they'd be very happy for teenagers to think" }, { "start": 272.04, "end": 273.04, "text": " of their cars as phones." }, { "start": 273.04, "end": 274.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 274.04, "end": 275.04, "text": " Because the teens are so with it now." }, { "start": 275.04, "end": 276.04, "text": " And all the surveys." }, { "start": 276.04, "end": 277.04, "text": " Every team, you're taking it to one." }, { "start": 277.04, "end": 278.04, "text": " Man, I really want a phone." }, { "start": 278.04, "end": 279.04, "text": " Ford's like, check out this phone." }, { "start": 279.04, "end": 280.04, "text": " It has to be a new phone." }, { "start": 280.04, "end": 282.48, "text": " It has to be under horsepower." }, { "start": 282.48, "end": 287.12, "text": " It'll hold all your phablets." }, { "start": 287.12, "end": 288.12, "text": " That's ridiculous." }, { "start": 288.12, "end": 289.12, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 289.12, "end": 290.12, "text": " Anything else we need to talk about is from CES." }, { "start": 290.12, "end": 291.12, "text": " We're also trying to brainstorm." }, { "start": 291.12, "end": 293.64000000000004, "text": " I mean, honestly, I am so burnt out from CES." }, { "start": 293.64000000000004, "end": 294.64000000000004, "text": " We talk so much about it." }, { "start": 294.64000000000004, "end": 295.92, "text": " Literally, listen to my voice." }, { "start": 295.92, "end": 296.92, "text": " This is the sound of pain." }, { "start": 296.92, "end": 300.52000000000004, "text": " Yeah, we really did all the talking about CES at CES." }, { "start": 300.52000000000004, "end": 304.64000000000004, "text": " I'm gonna need a good three to six months to think about it." }, { "start": 304.64000000000004, "end": 306.40000000000003, "text": " I'm just trying to heal." }, { "start": 306.40000000000003, "end": 307.72, "text": " I'm literally trying to heal." }, { "start": 307.72, "end": 310.32000000000005, "text": " I cannot wake up at a reasonable hour right now." }, { "start": 310.32000000000005, "end": 311.32000000000005, "text": " I'm still on West Coast time." }, { "start": 311.32000000000005, "end": 313.68, "text": " I don't know if it's like recovering from disease or if it's..." }, { "start": 313.68, "end": 314.68, "text": " No, I was telling you this story." }, { "start": 314.68, "end": 317.52000000000004, "text": " I came home from dinner last night at 9.30." }, { "start": 317.52000000000004, "end": 320.44000000000005, "text": " It was a long, delicious dinner." }, { "start": 320.44000000000005, "end": 323.76000000000005, "text": " And I sat down on the couch next to Becky, and I literally tilted over and fell asleep." }, { "start": 323.76000000000005, "end": 327.52000000000004, "text": " And then at 10 AM this morning, I tilted back up and was awake." }, { "start": 327.52000000000004, "end": 330.92, "text": " I didn't even make it." }, { "start": 330.92, "end": 331.92, "text": " That was just it." }, { "start": 331.92, "end": 332.92, "text": " I'm broken." }, { "start": 332.92, "end": 333.92, "text": " I'm gone." }, { "start": 333.92, "end": 334.92, "text": " I got back from CES." }, { "start": 334.92, "end": 340.24, "text": " Because I was outside a lot, because walking or skating from the hotel to the trailer and" }, { "start": 340.24, "end": 342.56, "text": " back, saw some outdoors." }, { "start": 342.56, "end": 343.56, "text": " It's bright." }, { "start": 343.56, "end": 345.86, "text": " It's sunny there, even though it's winter." }, { "start": 345.86, "end": 346.86, "text": " And I got back to my apartment." }, { "start": 346.86, "end": 348.36, "text": " It's just so dark in my apartment." }, { "start": 348.36, "end": 349.36, "text": " I just hate it." }, { "start": 349.36, "end": 353.44, "text": " So I got one of those sun boxes or light box." }, { "start": 353.44, "end": 354.44, "text": " Oh, I see." }, { "start": 354.44, "end": 355.44, "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 355.44, "end": 356.44, "text": " It's like regular light." }, { "start": 356.44, "end": 357.44, "text": " It's so bright." }, { "start": 357.44, "end": 359.68, "text": " I think I got a sunburn from my first use." }, { "start": 359.68, "end": 361.08000000000004, "text": " But anyway, that's my..." }, { "start": 361.08000000000004, "end": 362.08000000000004, "text": " Only Paul Miller." }, { "start": 362.08000000000004, "end": 363.08000000000004, "text": " That's my solution." }, { "start": 363.08, "end": 365.59999999999997, "text": " I'm not gonna tell them that it hurt me." }, { "start": 365.59999999999997, "end": 366.59999999999997, "text": " And I got alarm clock." }, { "start": 366.59999999999997, "end": 369.52, "text": " I got two things from the same light store." }, { "start": 369.52, "end": 371.76, "text": " I up-selled myself on the phone." }, { "start": 371.76, "end": 375.88, "text": " And I got one of those alarm clocks that brightens slowly when it wakes you." }, { "start": 375.88, "end": 376.88, "text": " I used that this morning." }, { "start": 376.88, "end": 377.88, "text": " It didn't help." }, { "start": 377.88, "end": 378.88, "text": " Didn't help." }, { "start": 378.88, "end": 382.28, "text": " I had an alarm clock for the deaf when I was in law school that shook the bed." }, { "start": 382.28, "end": 383.28, "text": " I learned to sleep through it." }, { "start": 383.28, "end": 384.56, "text": " Wait, shook the entire bed?" }, { "start": 384.56, "end": 385.56, "text": " It had this thing." }, { "start": 385.56, "end": 386.56, "text": " It would shake your bed." }, { "start": 386.56, "end": 387.56, "text": " That is amazing." }, { "start": 387.56, "end": 388.56, "text": " It was for the deaf, right?" }, { "start": 388.56, "end": 391.52, "text": " Well, I mean, the deaf and the people who just like to sleep in." }, { "start": 391.52, "end": 393.24, "text": " The chronically hungover." }, { "start": 393.24, "end": 395.96, "text": " But it was in my room and it would go off." }, { "start": 395.96, "end": 402.84, "text": " My roommate always had this terrible dilemma of, do I turn off Neely's alarm clock by flipping" }, { "start": 402.84, "end": 407.59999999999997, "text": " the circuit breaker and taking myself away from this terrible noise?" }, { "start": 407.59999999999997, "end": 408.71999999999997, "text": " But at the same time, he did that." }, { "start": 408.71999999999997, "end": 410.12, "text": " The router was in my room." }, { "start": 410.12, "end": 411.96, "text": " So I killed the wireless." }, { "start": 411.96, "end": 412.96, "text": " So every..." }, { "start": 412.96, "end": 413.96, "text": " He was just having a..." }, { "start": 413.96, "end": 414.96, "text": " Your room was locked?" }, { "start": 414.96, "end": 416.4, "text": " He didn't wanna go in there for some reason?" }, { "start": 416.4, "end": 417.4, "text": " My door was locked." }, { "start": 417.4, "end": 418.4, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 418.4, "end": 420.4, "text": " Who knows what I did, man?" }, { "start": 420.4, "end": 421.88, "text": " Made a lot of weird decisions." }, { "start": 421.88, "end": 422.88, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 422.88, "end": 423.88, "text": " I'm trying to think of a solution." }, { "start": 423.88, "end": 426.28, "text": " He could do a targeted EMP." }, { "start": 426.28, "end": 429.12, "text": " Oh, wait, the router's in there." }, { "start": 429.12, "end": 430.12, "text": " Shoot." }, { "start": 430.12, "end": 431.12, "text": " Do you have a window?" }, { "start": 431.12, "end": 432.12, "text": " Did you have a window?" }, { "start": 432.12, "end": 434.35999999999996, "text": " He talks about this in very pained..." }, { "start": 434.35999999999996, "end": 435.35999999999996, "text": " This is years and years ago now." }, { "start": 435.35999999999996, "end": 436.91999999999996, "text": " Did you have a window to your room?" }, { "start": 436.91999999999996, "end": 437.91999999999996, "text": " Oh, yeah, there was a window." }, { "start": 437.91999999999996, "end": 438.91999999999996, "text": " I mean, it was..." }, { "start": 438.91999999999996, "end": 440.4, "text": " Yeah, he could shimmy up the side." }, { "start": 440.4, "end": 441.4, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 441.4, "end": 442.4, "text": " That's the way to do it." }, { "start": 442.4, "end": 444.44, "text": " But he usually just flipped the circuit breaker." }, { "start": 444.44, "end": 447.35999999999996, "text": " Anyway, I would say just wrap up CS." }, { "start": 447.35999999999996, "end": 448.76, "text": " We're still waking up from CS." }, { "start": 448.76, "end": 450.12, "text": " We're still waking up from CS." }, { "start": 450.12, "end": 452.64, "text": " Everyone's gonna flip the breaker and take out internet." }, { "start": 452.64, "end": 455.64, "text": " We have a 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477.76, "end": 478.76, "text": " Which is insane." }, { "start": 478.76, "end": 479.76, "text": " TCL is gonna be everywhere." }, { "start": 479.76, "end": 486.03999999999996, "text": " Adrian has a line in her report that's the copy, like the trailer of Iron Man 3 that" }, { "start": 486.03999999999996, "end": 490.44, "text": " was showing the TCL booth was so bad that people thought it was pirated." }, { "start": 490.44, "end": 491.92, "text": " They didn't believe." }, { "start": 491.92, "end": 494.76, "text": " Because the TV looks really bad." }, { "start": 494.76, "end": 498.92, "text": " So they were like, is this a pirated copy of Iron Man 3?" }, { "start": 498.92, "end": 499.92, "text": " I was thinking about that." }, { "start": 499.92, "end": 500.92, "text": " A lot of the..." }, { "start": 500.92, "end": 506.24, "text": " There's so much bad content on display at CES." }, { "start": 506.24, "end": 510.68, "text": " Or like, because they're desperate to show something to 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"start": 533.88, "end": 534.88, "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 534.88, "end": 535.88, "text": " It was really bad." }, { "start": 535.88, "end": 536.88, "text": " It was just a bunch of stupid moves." }, { "start": 536.88, "end": 537.88, "text": " You can't do it." }, { "start": 537.88, "end": 538.88, "text": " No, idiots." }, { "start": 538.88, "end": 539.88, "text": " But so apparently the guy who..." }, { "start": 539.88, "end": 540.88, "text": " Bastards." }, { "start": 540.88, "end": 543.88, "text": " Ben Hur, such a classic of cinema." }, { "start": 543.88, "end": 544.88, "text": " It's preposterous." }, { "start": 544.88, "end": 545.88, "text": " Yeah, you got it." }, { "start": 545.88, "end": 550.72, "text": " The guy who did the remastering apparently kept on going by the booth and telling everybody" }, { "start": 550.72, "end": 551.72, "text": " that..." }, { "start": 551.72, "end": 552.72, "text": " This wasn't it." }, { "start": 552.72, "end": 555.72, "text": " This was not my decision to do it like this." }, { "start": 555.72, "end": 560.16, "text": " No, Leah, our operations assistant and I, we were walking through the Samsung booth and" }, { "start": 560.16, "end": 562.36, "text": " we were looking at the big, beautiful TVs." }, { "start": 562.36, "end": 567.48, "text": " And she goes, man, I really want one of these, but I also want this footage of delicious" }, { "start": 567.48, "end": 568.48, "text": " food constantly playing." }, { "start": 568.48, "end": 569.48, "text": " I mean, that's what you need." }, { "start": 569.48, "end": 570.48, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 570.48, "end": 577.12, "text": " I mean, that's what I want is a giant television that only shows me delicious foods." }, { "start": 577.12, "end": 581.52, "text": " There's a lot of stuff in quaint Asian villages." }, { "start": 581.52, "end": 582.52, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 582.52, "end": 584.4, "text": " It's generic Asian villages." }, { "start": 584.4, "end": 586.6, "text": " No, that was..." }, { "start": 586.6, "end": 588.6, "text": " And also carnivals, happy people dancing." }, { "start": 588.6, "end": 589.6, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 589.6, "end": 593.16, "text": " If you buy one of these TVs, you're only going to look at pictures of celebrations in one" }, { "start": 593.16, "end": 595.6, "text": " way or another, whether that celebration is a delicious steak or cupcake." }, { "start": 595.6, "end": 597.0400000000001, "text": " It's all footage of stuff that..." }, { "start": 597.0400000000001, "end": 598.0400000000001, "text": " Whether it's carnival." }, { "start": 598.0400000000001, "end": 601.6, "text": " This is like the calm that sets up a movie before some horrible disaster happens." }, { "start": 601.6, "end": 602.6, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 602.6, "end": 603.6, "text": " No, this is actually..." }, { "start": 603.6, "end": 604.6, "text": " It's the meet queue." }, { "start": 604.6, "end": 605.6, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 605.6, "end": 606.6, "text": " And then the explosion." }, { "start": 606.6, "end": 607.6, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 607.6, "end": 608.6, "text": " But the explosion also looks terrific." }, { "start": 608.6, "end": 615.44, "text": " But on the China thing, I was thinking about this today and how rapidly Samsung has just" }, { "start": 615.44, "end": 617.52, "text": " taken over from Apple." }, { "start": 617.52, "end": 623.24, "text": " They ripped market share and it seems almost entirely the Galaxy S3 and the Note a little" }, { "start": 623.24, "end": 626.72, "text": " bit, but it's just such a rapid, dramatic thing." }, { "start": 626.72, "end": 630.16, "text": " And it's like Samsung finally found a real differentiator." }, { "start": 630.16, "end": 633.8, "text": " It was like, let's just make a really big screen." }, { "start": 633.8, "end": 635.28, "text": " And people want that." }, { "start": 635.28, "end": 640.52, "text": " And they found something and they delivered it and it's good as if people want it." }, { "start": 640.52, "end": 642.8199999999999, "text": " And I think that's a recipe for success." }, { "start": 642.8199999999999, "end": 645.92, "text": " And I think if one of these Chinese companies, they clearly want it." }, { "start": 645.92, "end": 647.28, "text": " They're really small screens." }, { "start": 647.28, "end": 649.3199999999999, "text": " Their quality is ramping up." }, { "start": 649.3199999999999, "end": 651.4, "text": " And I held that Huawei phone, I was like, I hate this." }, { "start": 651.4, "end": 653.24, "text": " This is so large, but it felt good." }, { "start": 653.24, "end": 658.12, "text": " The screen, there was a time when there was a real quality gap and that's disappearing." }, { "start": 658.12, "end": 660.9599999999999, "text": " Well, they're all making them in the same factories." }, { "start": 660.9599999999999, "end": 662.9599999999999, "text": " It makes a little bit of sense." }, { 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that's like..." }, { "start": 707.84, "end": 708.84, "text": " We'll see it." }, { "start": 708.84, "end": 709.84, "text": " Go ahead." }, { "start": 709.84, "end": 710.84, "text": " That's my idea, by the way." }, { "start": 710.84, "end": 711.84, "text": " And if you're the person who told me that idea..." }, { "start": 711.84, "end": 712.84, "text": " They need to make a..." }, { "start": 712.84, "end": 717.6, "text": " Either way, obviously they need to make a Zoolander sequel." }, { "start": 717.6, "end": 720.64, "text": " This is just a plea for Zoolander." }, { "start": 720.64, "end": 721.64, "text": " Ben Stiller, get on this." }, { "start": 721.64, "end": 725.9200000000001, "text": " We're starting the petition, onlinepetition.org, whatever it is." }, { "start": 725.9200000000001, "end": 726.9200000000001, "text": " And Zoolander..." }, { "start": 726.9200000000001, "end": 727.9200000000001, "text": " Onlinepetition.org." }, { "start": 727.9200000000001, "end": 728.9200000000001, "text": " Okay, whatever." }, { "start": 728.9200000000001, "end": 729.9200000000001, "text": " But..." }, { "start": 729.9200000000001, "end": 731.4000000000001, "text": " Is this the new White House petition?" }, { "start": 731.4000000000001, "end": 732.9200000000001, "text": " I mean, is the inevitable..." }, { "start": 732.92, "end": 737.4, "text": " So I'm already thinking about... We were talking about this when I go back to the internet," }, { "start": 737.4, "end": 741.92, "text": " getting like a Nexus 4, and then keeping my Huawei for a while, and then getting an iPhone." }, { "start": 741.92, "end": 745.0799999999999, "text": " I mean, if you have a phablet, it doesn't stick in your foot." }, { "start": 745.0799999999999, "end": 746.0799999999999, "text": " Why would you do that?" }, { "start": 746.0799999999999, "end": 747.92, "text": " Why would you do that to me on this show?" }, { "start": 747.92, "end": 748.92, "text": " I'm your friend." }, { "start": 748.92, "end": 749.92, "text": " It's true." }, { "start": 749.92, "end": 752.92, "text": " You know, I need to value that friendship." }, { "start": 752.92, "end": 753.92, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 753.92, "end": 755.92, "text": " I take it for granted all the time." }, { "start": 755.92, "end": 756.92, "text": " Why?" }, { "start": 756.92, "end": 761.76, "text": " If you have a really, really large phone that's almost silly large, almost a tablet." }, { "start": 761.76, "end": 762.76, "text": " Or a very small tablet." }, { "start": 762.76, "end": 766.36, "text": " And you don't wanna keep that in your pocket, but you wanna have an easily accessible..." }, { "start": 766.36, "end": 770.24, "text": " Like a Bluetooth headset, but it's a handset." }, { "start": 770.24, "end": 771.24, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 771.24, "end": 777.04, "text": " And it's got a keypad on it, or it's just like a tiny little thing with a screen, like" }, { "start": 777.04, "end": 779.24, "text": " maybe a three inch or 2.5 inch screen." }, { "start": 779.24, "end": 781.6, "text": " You can scroll through your contacts and make phone calls." }, { "start": 781.6, "end": 782.84, "text": " Or like a smartwatch." }, { "start": 782.84, "end": 786.04, "text": " No, but you need to be able to hold it to your head and make phone calls." }, { "start": 786.04, "end": 787.04, "text": " Hello." }, { "start": 787.04, "end": 788.04, "text": " Hello." }, { "start": 788.04, "end": 789.04, "text": " How are you?" }, { "start": 789.04, "end": 790.04, "text": " What's up, buddy?" }, { "start": 790.04, "end": 791.04, "text": " Adjust the video." }, { "start": 791.04, "end": 792.04, "text": " This would be rad." }, { "start": 792.04, "end": 795.04, "text": " You could do this to make voice calls." }, { "start": 795.04, "end": 796.04, "text": " Hello." }, { "start": 796.04, "end": 797.04, "text": " Right here." }, { "start": 797.04, "end": 798.04, "text": " With the fingers too." }, { "start": 798.04, "end": 799.04, "text": " Two rings." }, { "start": 799.04, "end": 802.04, "text": " I think I actually saw that at concept." }, { "start": 802.04, "end": 804.04, "text": " I think that was a Motorola concept at CS1." }, { "start": 804.04, "end": 805.04, "text": " It's a SkyMall now too." }, { "start": 805.04, "end": 806.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 806.04, "end": 807.04, "text": " No, that's the future." }, { "start": 807.04, "end": 808.04, "text": " Two rings?" }, { "start": 808.04, "end": 809.04, "text": " Yeah, two rings." }, { "start": 809.04, "end": 816.04, "text": " But for now, I think we need like tiny little phones that connect to your large phone over" }, { "start": 816.04, "end": 817.04, "text": " Bluetooth." }, { "start": 817.04, "end": 818.04, "text": " Hello." }, { "start": 818.04, "end": 819.04, "text": " Two rings." }, { "start": 819.04, "end": 820.04, "text": " Because it's ridiculous." }, { "start": 820.04, "end": 821.04, "text": " I mean, I can take out of my pocket." }, { "start": 821.04, "end": 822.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 822.04, "end": 823.04, "text": " Look, just get bigger pockets." }, { "start": 823.04, "end": 824.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 824.04, "end": 825.04, "text": " And you know, I will say this." }, { "start": 825.04, "end": 826.04, "text": " I love an active lifestyle." }, { "start": 826.04, "end": 827.04, "text": " How big is the Nexus 4?" }, { "start": 827.04, "end": 828.04, "text": " Sometimes I'm moving my legs." }, { "start": 828.04, "end": 829.04, "text": " I think it's less." }, { "start": 829.04, "end": 830.04, "text": " I think it's like 4.7." }, { "start": 830.04, "end": 831.04, "text": " So it's just under." }, { "start": 831.04, "end": 832.04, "text": " I looked at..." }, { "start": 832.04, "end": 833.04, "text": " I played with the..." }, { "start": 833.04, "end": 834.04, "text": " And I find the Nexus phone to be fine." }, { "start": 834.04, "end": 837.04, "text": " Some people think it's too big, but I think it's fine." }, { "start": 837.04, "end": 838.04, "text": " It's a great phone." }, { "start": 838.04, "end": 839.04, "text": " Except for the LTE." }, { "start": 839.04, "end": 840.04, "text": " But I played with Sonys." }, { "start": 840.04, "end": 844.04, "text": " I mean, there are tons of five inch 1080p phones at CS." }, { "start": 844.04, "end": 845.04, "text": " I think that's like it." }, { "start": 845.04, "end": 846.04, "text": " That's the sweet spot." }, { "start": 846.04, "end": 847.04, "text": " That's where they're going." }, { "start": 847.04, "end": 848.04, "text": " It's just too big." }, { "start": 848.04, "end": 851.04, "text": " Because anything bigger than that is insane." }, { "start": 851.04, "end": 852.04, "text": " Did you play with Sonys?" }, { "start": 852.04, "end": 853.04, "text": " Sonys is very nice." }, { "start": 853.04, "end": 854.04, "text": " It's ergonomically..." }, { "start": 854.04, "end": 855.04, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 855.04, "end": 856.04, "text": " I just don't like it." }, { "start": 856.04, "end": 857.04, "text": " Anyway, let's move on." }, { "start": 857.04, "end": 858.04, "text": " What is not CS news?" }, { "start": 858.04, "end": 859.04, "text": " What is not CS news is..." }, { "start": 859.04, "end": 860.04, "text": " Let's just go back to CS." }, { "start": 860.04, "end": 861.04, "text": " No." }, { "start": 861.04, "end": 862.04, "text": " You go back to CS." }, { "start": 862.04, "end": 863.04, "text": " It will hurt me." }, { "start": 863.04, "end": 864.04, "text": " I think we need to take a break from that." }, { "start": 864.04, "end": 865.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 865.04, "end": 870.04, "text": " It would be Google CEO Larry Page, who has not talked in a very long time." }, { "start": 870.04, "end": 871.04, "text": " Gave the interview to Steven Levy." }, { "start": 871.04, "end": 872.04, "text": " So here's the weird thing about this interview." }, { "start": 872.04, "end": 873.04, "text": " So it's a good interview." }, { "start": 873.04, "end": 874.04, "text": " You should read it." }, { "start": 874.04, "end": 875.04, "text": " It's in Wired." }, { "start": 875.04, "end": 876.04, "text": " It's Steven Levy, so he's very good at interviewing people." }, { "start": 876.04, "end": 877.04, "text": " I love Steven." }, { "start": 877.04, "end": 878.04, "text": " But Page has been a ghost." }, { "start": 878.04, "end": 879.04, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 879.04, "end": 882.16, "text": " To the point where there were rumors that he was sick in some way because he wasn't visible," }, { "start": 882.16, "end": 884.5, "text": " he wasn't out there, wasn't doing Google stuff." }, { "start": 884.5, "end": 889.4, "text": " The weird thing about this interview is that there is a part of it where they talk about" }, { "start": 889.4, "end": 891.56, "text": " the ITU regulating the internet." }, { "start": 891.56, "end": 896.52, "text": " And Levy's like, there's a link on the Google homepage about protesting this ITU decision." }, { "start": 896.52, "end": 899.7199999999999, "text": " That was like months ago, or maybe a month ago." }, { "start": 899.7199999999999, "end": 903.7199999999999, "text": " So this interview was done a while ago and published today, which I think is very interesting." }, { "start": 903.72, "end": 910.52, "text": " The other really interesting thing about the timing is that in there, Page says, Facebook" }, { "start": 910.52, "end": 914.9200000000001, "text": " makes bad products, which is two days ago." }, { "start": 914.9200000000001, "end": 917, "text": " Two days ago, Facebook..." }, { "start": 917, "end": 921.24, "text": " And he also says, Levy asked him about patent lawsuits and they asked him about Apple, obviously." }, { "start": 921.24, "end": 923.1600000000001, "text": " And he goes, well, how well is that going for them?" }, { "start": 923.1600000000001, "end": 925.5600000000001, "text": " Which is very snarky and cool." }, { "start": 925.5600000000001, "end": 926.64, "text": " But was there..." }, { "start": 926.64, "end": 927.64, "text": " Did we figure it out?" }, { "start": 927.64, "end": 928.64, "text": " Is he alive?" }, { "start": 928.64, "end": 929.64, "text": " The timing?" }, { "start": 929.64, "end": 930.64, "text": " He's obviously there." }, { "start": 930.64, "end": 934.28, "text": " But what I think is really interesting is that the interview came out and there's this" }, { "start": 934.28, "end": 937.84, "text": " quote about Facebook making bad products, like two days after Facebook released the" }, { "start": 937.84, "end": 938.84, "text": " search engine." }, { "start": 938.84, "end": 939.84, "text": " But Wired is..." }, { "start": 939.84, "end": 942.36, "text": " It's a magazine, it's a long lead time, like you said." }, { "start": 942.36, "end": 945.12, "text": " Yeah, this was probably in the print magazine probably done, but like..." }, { "start": 945.12, "end": 949.16, "text": " You said it was done about a month or so ago because it's got a dated reference." }, { "start": 949.16, "end": 952.8, "text": " See, literally, CES for me just erases my sense of time." }, { "start": 952.8, "end": 957.72, "text": " There is things that happened before CES and that's just what all of those things." }, { "start": 957.72, "end": 958.72, "text": " I was biking up..." }, { "start": 958.72, "end": 959.72, "text": " In that time period." }, { "start": 959.72, "end": 965.48, "text": " I was biking up here today and there's like a new bike lane on 9th Ave, but it looks worn" }, { "start": 965.48, "end": 966.48, "text": " in." }, { "start": 966.48, "end": 967.48, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 967.48, "end": 968.48, "text": " And I was like, how..." }, { "start": 968.48, "end": 969.72, "text": " Because you were in Vegas for five days." }, { "start": 969.72, "end": 970.72, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 970.72, "end": 971.72, "text": " That's what happened." }, { "start": 971.72, "end": 972.72, "text": " I know." }, { "start": 972.72, "end": 973.72, "text": " Your five days are like six years the rest of the world." }, { "start": 973.72, "end": 976.9200000000001, "text": " It's like Lion Witch in the wardrobe, but you go to the wardrobe and you come back out." }, { "start": 976.9200000000001, "end": 977.9200000000001, "text": " No, that's opposite." }, { "start": 977.9200000000001, "end": 978.9200000000001, "text": " Opposite of that." }, { "start": 978.9200000000001, "end": 979.9200000000001, "text": " Wait, what's that?" }, { "start": 979.9200000000001, "end": 981.28, "text": " Time goes faster inside the wardrobe?" }, { "start": 981.28, "end": 982.28, "text": " No, yeah, time goes..." }, { "start": 982.28, "end": 984.24, "text": " Because when you come out of the wardrobe, it's like no time has passed." }, { "start": 984.24, "end": 985.24, "text": " Oh, I see." }, { "start": 985.24, "end": 986.9200000000001, "text": " Okay, so we're not in the wardrobe right now." }, { "start": 986.9200000000001, "end": 988.48, "text": " How many dreams deep are you in?" }, { "start": 988.48, "end": 990.72, "text": " No, we are back in the wardrobe." }, { "start": 990.72, "end": 992.76, "text": " CES is the real world." }, { "start": 992.76, "end": 993.76, "text": " That..." }, { "start": 993.76, "end": 994.76, "text": " No." }, { "start": 994.76, "end": 995.76, "text": " Denied." }, { "start": 995.76, "end": 996.76, "text": " I refuse to believe." }, { "start": 996.76, "end": 997.76, "text": " Do not..." }, { "start": 997.76, "end": 998.76, "text": " Does not compute." }, { "start": 998.76, "end": 999.76, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 999.76, "end": 1000.76, "text": " The idea of CES being the real world is the worst." }, { "start": 1000.76, "end": 1002.24, "text": " Although it kind of is." }, { "start": 1002.24, "end": 1003.24, "text": " That's the state of nature." }, { "start": 1003.24, "end": 1006.44, "text": " There are no laws, no rules, no checks on morality." }, { "start": 1006.44, "end": 1007.44, "text": " You can just do whatever you want on the fly." }, { "start": 1007.44, "end": 1008.44, "text": " You really do..." }, { "start": 1008.44, "end": 1009.9200000000001, "text": " It's like you're Vegas is such a weird but accurate light." }, { "start": 1009.9200000000001, "end": 1010.9200000000001, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1010.9200000000001, "end": 1011.9200000000001, "text": " No, it is." }, { "start": 1011.9200000000001, "end": 1012.9200000000001, "text": " It's the state of nature." }, { "start": 1012.9200000000001, "end": 1013.9200000000001, "text": " It's..." }, { "start": 1013.9200000000001, "end": 1014.9200000000001, "text": " What is it?" }, { "start": 1014.9200000000001, "end": 1015.9200000000001, "text": " Gassily cruel and short." }, { "start": 1015.9200000000001, "end": 1016.9200000000001, "text": " Thomas Hobbes." }, { "start": 1016.9200000000001, "end": 1018.08, "text": " Nasty, brutish and short." }, { "start": 1018.08, "end": 1021.96, "text": " I'm gonna stick with the Lord of the Flies reference and just slice the pig, split his" }, { "start": 1021.96, "end": 1022.96, "text": " throat." }, { "start": 1022.96, "end": 1023.96, "text": " Ghoulish." }, { "start": 1023.96, "end": 1024.96, "text": " I don't know what..." }, { "start": 1024.96, "end": 1025.96, "text": " So there was no big news from the Larry Page." }, { "start": 1025.96, "end": 1026.96, "text": " Those are the two things." }, { "start": 1026.96, "end": 1027.96, "text": " And I think it's really interesting that..." }, { "start": 1027.96, "end": 1028.96, "text": " You're right." }, { "start": 1028.96, "end": 1029.96, "text": " Long lead time." }, { "start": 1029.96, "end": 1030.96, "text": " So this interview was obviously done a while ago." }, { "start": 1030.96, "end": 1035.64, "text": " But it's interesting in the sense that he's obviously still running the company." }, { "start": 1035.64, "end": 1037.94, "text": " He says he wants to improve everything 1000%." }, { "start": 1037.94, "end": 1042.08, "text": " There's a really great story in there from an engineer who's like..." }, { "start": 1042.08, "end": 1046, "text": " A Google X engineer who's like, I could walk in there with a time machine, plug it in and" }, { "start": 1046, "end": 1047, "text": " be like, look, this works." }, { "start": 1047, "end": 1051.12, "text": " I could walk in there and be like, why does it need power?" }, { "start": 1051.12, "end": 1052.12, "text": " I like that sense." }, { "start": 1052.12, "end": 1053.56, "text": " Larry Page tells that story?" }, { "start": 1053.56, "end": 1057.16, "text": " No, one of the engineers tells that about Larry Page and the level of improvement that" }, { "start": 1057.16, "end": 1058.16, "text": " he wants constantly." }, { "start": 1058.16, "end": 1059.16, "text": " And I think that's great." }, { "start": 1059.16, "end": 1063.88, "text": " I think it's great that there's a company that's this devoted to bonkers innovation." }, { "start": 1063.88, "end": 1070.36, "text": " I think Apple clearly with the iOS felt like it's good enough for a while and that's been" }, { "start": 1070.36, "end": 1071.92, "text": " a real problem with them." }, { "start": 1071.92, "end": 1075.28, "text": " And the fact that Android keeps getting better is big credit." }, { "start": 1075.28, "end": 1078.28, "text": " I like that mentality." }, { "start": 1078.28, "end": 1080.8799999999999, "text": " No, it's great." }, { "start": 1080.8799999999999, "end": 1084.8, "text": " But what I think is really interesting is particularly this quote about Facebook making" }, { "start": 1084.8, "end": 1087.2, "text": " bad products is..." }, { "start": 1087.2, "end": 1090.84, "text": " Because at the Facebook event, they asked about Google because Facebook has search." }, { "start": 1090.84, "end": 1091.92, "text": " Do you know about this?" }, { "start": 1091.92, "end": 1097.3799999999999, "text": " So I read cursory Facebook is making search out of your friends' data." }, { "start": 1097.3799999999999, "end": 1101.56, "text": " So it's called graph search, which is a terrible name, just a stupid name." }, { "start": 1101.56, "end": 1102.56, "text": " Just look at Facebook." }, { "start": 1102.56, "end": 1106.1599999999999, "text": " Well, they knew social graph is a stupid term, so they just..." }, { "start": 1106.1599999999999, "end": 1107.1599999999999, "text": " We're doubling down on stupidity." }, { "start": 1107.1599999999999, "end": 1109.24, "text": " Why don't they call it social search?" }, { "start": 1109.24, "end": 1110.32, "text": " That's good." }, { "start": 1110.32, "end": 1111.52, "text": " Anything other than graph search." }, { "start": 1111.52, "end": 1114.8, "text": " It's like, what kind of..." }, { "start": 1114.8, "end": 1118.08, "text": " Like search through all your PowerPoint presentations." }, { "start": 1118.08, "end": 1121.28, "text": " I made a number of pie charts in 2007." }, { "start": 1121.28, "end": 1122.28, "text": " Help me find them." }, { "start": 1122.28, "end": 1123.28, "text": " So it's like a..." }, { "start": 1123.28, "end": 1128.28, "text": " It's just a stupid name." }, { "start": 1128.28, "end": 1129.28, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 1129.28, "end": 1130.28, "text": " I can't top that." }, { "start": 1130.28, "end": 1134.2, "text": " Anyway, so it allows you to do natural language search across all your friends' data." }, { "start": 1134.2, "end": 1139, "text": " But it's one of these Facebook products that assumes everybody uses Facebook like Facebook" }, { "start": 1139, "end": 1140, "text": " employees." }, { "start": 1140, "end": 1144.6399999999999, "text": " So if you work at Facebook, it's probably great because you can type in all the restaurants" }, { "start": 1144.6399999999999, "end": 1146.68, "text": " in Palo Alto that my friends under 27 like." }, { "start": 1146.68, "end": 1148.48, "text": " Have to check in and like things." }, { "start": 1148.48, "end": 1150.08, "text": " And that data set exists." }, { "start": 1150.08, "end": 1152.3999999999999, "text": " But it doesn't exist." }, { "start": 1152.3999999999999, "end": 1155.68, "text": " So Dieter and Ellis were at the event." }, { "start": 1155.68, "end": 1158.04, "text": " Thomas Huston did a hands-on afterwards." }, { "start": 1158.04, "end": 1162.96, "text": " And they were like, it works, but in severely limited ways because the data set isn't there" }, { "start": 1162.96, "end": 1163.96, "text": " for most people." }, { "start": 1163.96, "end": 1169.8, "text": " Well, the note that really stuck out to me is that it's starting out on their website" }, { "start": 1169.8, "end": 1170.8, "text": " and then it will come to mobile." }, { "start": 1170.8, "end": 1177.32, "text": " And the thing is they need all the data that they want in this needs to come from mobile." }, { "start": 1177.32, "end": 1179.44, "text": " So they're doing it backwards." }, { "start": 1179.44, "end": 1181.12, "text": " And it's..." }, { "start": 1181.12, "end": 1183.04, "text": " I mean, they really sound..." }, { "start": 1183.04, "end": 1184.22, "text": " It's so funny." }, { "start": 1184.22, "end": 1191.32, "text": " They sound like a, like a, like an old company, you know, like let's put it on our website." }, { "start": 1191.32, "end": 1192.32, "text": " We need a web presence." }, { "start": 1192.32, "end": 1196.68, "text": " Tim wrote a report on this on the site, which you can't read." }, { "start": 1196.68, "end": 1199.04, "text": " We should just make a list of things that you have to read when you come back." }, { "start": 1199.04, "end": 1200.04, "text": " They were published on the..." }, { "start": 1200.04, "end": 1203.04, "text": " I get handed articles on thumb drives from time to time." }, { "start": 1203.04, "end": 1207.3600000000001, "text": " I give like a shadow market of like art material." }, { "start": 1207.3600000000001, "end": 1208.3600000000001, "text": " I roomed with Trent." }, { "start": 1208.3600000000001, "end": 1210.52, "text": " No, I get them straight from the source." }, { "start": 1210.52, "end": 1212.24, "text": " So I like room with Trent." }, { "start": 1212.24, "end": 1213.24, "text": " No middlemen." }, { "start": 1213.24, "end": 1215.28, "text": " I roomed with Trent at CES." }, { "start": 1215.28, "end": 1220.1200000000001, "text": " So I got his like piece on Carly Rae Jepsen, Adderall." }, { "start": 1220.1200000000001, "end": 1221.52, "text": " You're months behind the curve." }, { "start": 1221.52, "end": 1223.56, "text": " I know, I'm very excited." }, { "start": 1223.56, "end": 1225.92, "text": " Well, you should take Adderall at the end and read all the articles." }, { "start": 1225.92, "end": 1228.04, "text": " I do take Adderall, but not that much." }, { "start": 1228.04, "end": 1229.04, "text": " Not that much." }, { "start": 1229.04, "end": 1230.04, "text": " OD, AD." }, { "start": 1230.04, "end": 1231.04, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1231.04, "end": 1232.04, "text": " No?" }, { "start": 1232.04, "end": 1233.04, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1233.04, "end": 1235.32, "text": " No, Tim wrote a piece and that headline of piece was for Facebook mobile always comes" }, { "start": 1235.32, "end": 1236.32, "text": " tomorrow." }, { "start": 1236.32, "end": 1237.32, "text": " Right?" }, { "start": 1237.32, "end": 1239.68, "text": " And that's like, that's exactly right." }, { "start": 1239.68, "end": 1241.5, "text": " It's they don't know." }, { "start": 1241.5, "end": 1243.32, "text": " It's they know how to make money on the desktop." }, { "start": 1243.32, "end": 1247.96, "text": " So innovating on the desktop, which is fair, but their problems with investors and the" }, { "start": 1247.96, "end": 1251.08, "text": " public is basically that the world is going mobile." }, { "start": 1251.08, "end": 1255.44, "text": " So people want to use Instagram because it's a mobile first application and not Facebook." }, { "start": 1255.44, "end": 1257.76, "text": " That's why they bought Instagram." }, { "start": 1257.76, "end": 1260.16, "text": " They tip toes on mobile too, but they do it in like this way." }, { "start": 1260.16, "end": 1261.44, "text": " It's definitely not to make 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1286.44, "text": " I mean, it is a step to where like things we want to see, like Siri was supposed to" }, { "start": 1286.44, "end": 1288.84, "text": " be a natural language thing you could talk to." }, { "start": 1288.84, "end": 1290.3799999999999, "text": " Google Now is like, we don't want natural language." }, { "start": 1290.3799999999999, "end": 1292.28, "text": " We're just going to know what you want because you do everything with us." }, { "start": 1292.28, "end": 1297.26, "text": " There is an element of this where it's like, you know, like I think most people have this" }, { "start": 1297.26, "end": 1301.24, "text": " dream where like they constantly have this like assistant, like the assistant's aware" }, { "start": 1301.24, "end": 1302.42, "text": " of your network." }, { "start": 1302.42, "end": 1305.6, "text": " So it's like, you can be like, who do I know who's like really good at fixing cars?" }, { "start": 1305.6, "end": 1307.4, "text": " And like that person will 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"end": 1335.6000000000001, "text": " So I just called him." }, { "start": 1335.6000000000001, "end": 1337.6000000000001, "text": " I haven't talked to him in like years." }, { "start": 1337.6000000000001, "end": 1338.6000000000001, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1338.6000000000001, "end": 1342.3600000000001, "text": " And he turned out to be in a car with his wife who, and I talked to her about linguistics" }, { "start": 1342.3600000000001, "end": 1343.3600000000001, "text": " today." }, { "start": 1343.3600000000001, "end": 1344.3600000000001, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 1344.3600000000001, "end": 1345.3600000000001, "text": " But like there's no way Facebook could have helped you." }, { "start": 1345.3600000000001, "end": 1347.3600000000001, "text": " I graph searched it." }, { "start": 1347.3600000000001, "end": 1348.3600000000001, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1348.3600000000001, "end": 1349.3600000000001, "text": " Manual graph search." }, { "start": 1349.3600000000001, "end": 1353.8200000000002, "text": " Well, I like the idea that Facebook could help me with that, but, but like Facebook needs" }, { "start": 1353.8200000000002, "end": 1356.1200000000001, "text": " to say, this is a great product." }, { "start": 1356.12, "end": 1357.8799999999999, "text": " You might have to learn how to use it." }, { "start": 1357.8799999999999, "end": 1359.4799999999998, "text": " I feel like timeline was like that." }, { "start": 1359.4799999999998, "end": 1360.6799999999998, "text": " No, but this is the thing." }, { "start": 1360.6799999999998, "end": 1361.8, "text": " This is like a feature." }, { "start": 1361.8, "end": 1363.2399999999998, "text": " Like that's great." }, { "start": 1363.2399999999998, "end": 1364.2399999999998, "text": " They should have made this." }, { "start": 1364.2399999999998, "end": 1368.4799999999998, "text": " I granted, that's what I should have done, but my compare, but they should have just" }, { "start": 1368.4799999999998, "end": 1369.4799999999998, "text": " rolled it out." }, { "start": 1369.4799999999998, "end": 1372.1599999999999, "text": " Like first of all, they had a press event." }, { "start": 1372.1599999999999, "end": 1374.7199999999998, "text": " They made reporters get on a bus to come to Facebook headquarters." }, { "start": 1374.7199999999998, "end": 1376.7199999999998, "text": " Like they made a big deal out of it." }, { "start": 1376.7199999999998, "end": 1377.7199999999998, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1377.7199999999998, "end": 1379.12, "text": " And it's like, why?" }, { "start": 1379.12, "end": 1380.4399999999998, "text": " Because they should have just put this out." }, { "start": 1380.4399999999998, "end": 1381.8799999999999, "text": " Like we're rolling on graph search." }, { "start": 1381.8799999999999, "end": 1382.8799999999999, "text": " We think it's really interesting." }, { "start": 1382.8799999999999, "end": 1383.8799999999999, "text": " People are 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have freaked out." }, { "start": 1403.88, "end": 1404.88, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1404.88, "end": 1407.64, "text": " They would have been like, this is finally Facebook is reinventing itself." }, { "start": 1407.64, "end": 1411.3200000000002, "text": " Graph search is like, so I can do this thing that I never knew I wanted to do." }, { "start": 1411.3200000000002, "end": 1412.6000000000001, "text": " Well, that's the thing." }, { "start": 1412.6, "end": 1416.1599999999999, "text": " It's like, it's one thing to create a great product that people have to learn how to use," }, { "start": 1416.1599999999999, "end": 1420.1999999999998, "text": " but Facebook has created a product that people have to learn how to use and start using before" }, { "start": 1420.1999999999998, "end": 1421.52, "text": " it's actually a great product." }, { "start": 1421.52, "end": 1422.52, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1422.52, "end": 1423.52, "text": " And here's the problem." }, { "start": 1423.52, "end": 1424.7199999999998, "text": " You and I talked about this a little bit yesterday." }, { "start": 1424.7199999999998, "end": 1429.52, "text": " When Apple or Google does a big press event and you're getting there and you're excited," }, { "start": 1429.52, "end": 1434, "text": " they say, this is something that you can buy or you can make an active effort to get." }, { "start": 1434, "end": 1437.52, "text": " Facebook is like, here's this thing that we're going to give to you whether you want it or" }, { "start": 1437.52, "end": 1438.52, "text": " not." }, { "start": 1438.52, "end": 1439.52, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1439.52, "end": 1440.52, "text": " You have to make a choice." }, { "start": 1440.52, "end": 1441.52, "text": " What are you going to get excited about?" }, { "start": 1441.52, "end": 1442.52, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1442.52, "end": 1446.6399999999999, "text": " Like, I have like six girlfriends of mine who maybe want to get back together." }, { "start": 1446.6399999999999, "end": 1450, "text": " That is definitely like the number one query in the system." }, { "start": 1450, "end": 1457.4, "text": " Like extra friends of mine who have lowered their standards, raised their standards." }, { "start": 1457.4, "end": 1459.4, "text": " Has she forgiven me yet?" }, { "start": 1459.4, "end": 1460.4, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1460.4, "end": 1461.4, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1461.4, "end": 1462.4, "text": " Please move on." }, { "start": 1462.4, "end": 1463.4, "text": " A single serving." }, { "start": 1463.4, "end": 1464.4, "text": " Like some Confucianism." }, { "start": 1464.4, "end": 1469.68, "text": " You have to click the back button." }, { "start": 1469.68, "end": 1472.08, "text": " If you're asking this question to Facebook, probably not." }, { "start": 1472.08, "end": 1473.08, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1473.08, "end": 1477.1999999999998, "text": " But so the interesting thing about that is that we're joking about the dating site, but" }, { "start": 1477.1999999999998, "end": 1480.84, "text": " they made the explicit like, this is a dating site." }, { "start": 1480.84, "end": 1482.08, "text": " Like we can use this for dating." }, { "start": 1482.08, "end": 1485.8, "text": " You can be like, find single men who like this movie and like, it'll do it for you." }, { "start": 1485.8, "end": 1486.8, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1486.8, "end": 1487.8, "text": " They're like journalists." }, { "start": 1487.8, "end": 1489.56, "text": " There's a whole page they have on the website." }, { "start": 1489.56, "end": 1491.52, "text": " Journalists can use this in the way, the same way they use LinkedIn." }, { "start": 1491.52, "end": 1494, "text": " So now we're competing with LinkedIn using graph search." }, { "start": 1494, "end": 1495, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1495, "end": 1499.36, "text": " And the final piece is that they have, well, it is, it's only surprising in the sense that" }, { "start": 1499.36, "end": 1501.32, "text": " they're making the explicit comparisons." }, { "start": 1501.32, "end": 1502.6, "text": " They said the word LinkedIn." }, { "start": 1502.6, "end": 1505.96, "text": " Well, they said journalists can use this and that, but at the same time, they also like," }, { "start": 1505.96, "end": 1508.2, "text": " it's like the private messaging thing they did a while back." }, { "start": 1508.2, "end": 1509.2, "text": " Anyway, give you a real point." }, { "start": 1509.2, "end": 1510.2, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1510.2, "end": 1513.32, "text": " But so they're like, they're, they're, they're obviously like, it's obvious." }, { "start": 1513.32, "end": 1516.08, "text": " Find restaurants that my friends like is like, let's compete with Yelp." }, { "start": 1516.08, "end": 1517.08, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1517.08, "end": 1521.56, "text": " Find single people that my friends know and like, is like, let's go from match.com or" }, { "start": 1521.56, "end": 1522.56, "text": " whatever." }, { "start": 1522.56, "end": 1526.72, "text": " Uh, find journalists use this to source contacts is definitely like LinkedIn." }, { "start": 1526.72, "end": 1532.4, "text": " Uh, and then the one thing that they didn't explicitly say was we're targeting Google," }, { "start": 1532.4, "end": 1536.72, "text": " which is weird because here's all the, every other social network, but not Google." }, { "start": 1536.72, "end": 1539.24, "text": " But they have, so they have Bing integration." }, { "start": 1539.24, "end": 1540.24, "text": " You can like web search." }, { "start": 1540.24, "end": 1542.3600000000001, "text": " It's like the last option and I'll show you Bing results." }, { "start": 1542.3600000000001, "end": 1543.3600000000001, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1543.3600000000001, "end": 1545.64, "text": " And like, we don't think a lot of people are gonna use web search for this, but what's" }, { "start": 1545.64, "end": 1549.64, "text": " interesting is that they're building this huge social search for being integration," }, { "start": 1549.64, "end": 1550.64, "text": " being integration." }, { "start": 1550.64, "end": 1552.64, "text": " What else are you going to have, man?" }, { "start": 1552.64, "end": 1553.64, "text": " They're not going to do Google." }, { "start": 1553.64, "end": 1555.84, "text": " No, I still stand by my max." }, { "start": 1555.84, "end": 1560.6799999999998, "text": " So I don't know when I put this forward, but I put it forward a long time ago." }, { "start": 1560.6799999999998, "end": 1567.9199999999998, "text": " If you use Bing as your default search, which is all based on like deal making and you don't" }, { "start": 1567.9199999999998, "end": 1571.84, "text": " want to be friends with Google, you don't care about your users." }, { "start": 1571.84, "end": 1577.1599999999999, "text": " You don't, you're not putting them first because what users actually want is Google." }, { "start": 1577.1599999999999, "end": 1582.62, "text": " And if you choose Bing because you're not good friends with Google, you want to help" }, { "start": 1582.62, "end": 1586.76, "text": " out Microsoft, you've made some cool, great handshake in a boardroom somewhere." }, { "start": 1586.76, "end": 1591.8799999999999, "text": " You didn't put your users first and it really, really pisses me off when companies use Bing." }, { "start": 1591.8799999999999, "end": 1592.8799999999999, "text": " And I'm still seeing it." }, { "start": 1592.8799999999999, "end": 1597.1999999999998, "text": " So Zuckerberg was like, we're happy to work with Google, which is funny because Page" }, { "start": 1597.1999999999998, "end": 1599.2399999999998, "text": " today was like Facebook makes bad products." }, { "start": 1599.2399999999998, "end": 1600.84, "text": " So it's clear how the companies see each other." }, { "start": 1600.84, "end": 1604.76, "text": " Page also did say like, we don't think Facebook has to lose for us to win." }, { "start": 1604.76, "end": 1606.04, "text": " Well, so here's the thing." }, { "start": 1606.04, "end": 1610.32, "text": " So Google, the reason Google Plus exists is because Google is aware that the future of" }, { "start": 1610.32, "end": 1612.52, "text": " search is the social recommendations." }, { "start": 1612.52, "end": 1615.36, "text": " There are obviously direct competitors, social signals." }, { "start": 1615.36, "end": 1618.8, "text": " And so they're trying to like edge into the market with Google Plus and compete with Facebook" }, { "start": 1618.8, "end": 1619.8, "text": " in that way." }, { "start": 1619.8, "end": 1623.08, "text": " And they will swear up and down that Google Plus is not a competitor to Facebook and they" }, { "start": 1623.08, "end": 1627.02, "text": " didn't build a regular social network and whatever they think Google Plus is doing." }, { "start": 1627.02, "end": 1631.2, "text": " And Facebook is swearing up and down that like web search is not the primary focus of" }, { "start": 1631.2, "end": 1632.56, "text": " products, it's a social search." }, { "start": 1632.56, "end": 1634.4, "text": " But really they're both just lying." }, { "start": 1634.4, "end": 1637, "text": " Like fundamentally it's like you're going to search for things." }, { "start": 1637, "end": 1639.8799999999999, "text": " You're looking for things, you're looking for answers on the internet and either you're" }, { "start": 1639.88, "end": 1644.5600000000002, "text": " going to say to yourself, my primary data set is my friends or my primary data set is" }, { "start": 1644.5600000000002, "end": 1647.0400000000002, "text": " Google's algorithm informed by my friends." }, { "start": 1647.0400000000002, "end": 1648.64, "text": " And it's like, wow." }, { "start": 1648.64, "end": 1649.96, "text": " So now you're definitely on a collision course." }, { "start": 1649.96, "end": 1653.92, "text": " And like this is Facebook saying we're going to, we are going to be the front door to the" }, { "start": 1653.92, "end": 1654.92, "text": " internet." }, { "start": 1654.92, "end": 1657.1200000000001, "text": " Like, and I think Google in much the same way." }, { "start": 1657.1200000000001, "end": 1660.1200000000001, "text": " Like what is your, where do you start on the internet in the morning?" }, { "start": 1660.1200000000001, "end": 1664.18, "text": " Like do you start on Facebook with your friends or do you start on Google with like a wide" }, { "start": 1664.18, "end": 1666.24, "text": " open set of queries?" }, { "start": 1666.24, "end": 1671.08, "text": " You ever do like, let's say like, Oh man, you ever like open up your browser Chrome" }, { "start": 1671.08, "end": 1674.76, "text": " and then you type in the address bar, which is a search bar now." }, { "start": 1674.76, "end": 1675.76, "text": " Google." }, { "start": 1675.76, "end": 1676.76, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1676.76, "end": 1677.76, "text": " I love it when I do." }, { "start": 1677.76, "end": 1678.76, "text": " It's just so hilarious." }, { "start": 1678.76, "end": 1682.72, "text": " Like imagine doing somebody do that on Facebook, Google." }, { "start": 1682.72, "end": 1692.32, "text": " I bet the first, I bet the number one search engines my friends like, they like Google." }, { "start": 1692.32, "end": 1693.32, "text": " Does Google have a like button?" }, { "start": 1693.32, "end": 1694.32, "text": " I bet not." }, { "start": 1694.32, "end": 1695.32, "text": " That would be terrible." }, { "start": 1695.32, "end": 1696.32, "text": " A like button." }, { "start": 1696.32, "end": 1700.8, "text": " If I had a like button on its homepage so everybody could just like, I mean that would," }, { "start": 1700.8, "end": 1705.32, "text": " that would like seriously, unless you have any more deep thoughts." }, { "start": 1705.32, "end": 1709.1599999999999, "text": " I do think, of course I have deep thoughts." }, { "start": 1709.1599999999999, "end": 1717, "text": " Um, I mean Facebook, I just, it, the whole thing of liking and having like pages is kind" }, { "start": 1717, "end": 1718.5, "text": " of like a dated notion." }, { "start": 1718.5, "end": 1720.72, "text": " It's not a hard fact." }, { "start": 1720.72, "end": 1726.96, "text": " It's like a pretty messy amorphous user selective thing." }, { "start": 1726.96, "end": 1729.72, "text": " And I don't think it's going to, it's not, I don't think it's aging very well." }, { "start": 1729.72, "end": 1730.72, "text": " No, it's not." }, { "start": 1730.72, "end": 1731.72, "text": " That's what I'm saying." }, { "start": 1731.72, "end": 1735.1000000000001, "text": " It's, you have to, if the data set is things my friends like, right?" }, { "start": 1735.1000000000001, "end": 1739.42, "text": " That data set is constantly evolving and changing and I might like something today that I'm" }, { "start": 1739.42, "end": 1740.42, "text": " like over tomorrow." }, { "start": 1740.42, "end": 1741.42, "text": " Right?" }, { "start": 1741.42, "end": 1742.42, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1742.42, "end": 1744.1200000000001, "text": " Like I might like a movie today and then be totally sick of it tomorrow." }, { "start": 1744.1200000000001, "end": 1749.44, "text": " My Facebook profile specifically says under, I have, I list books I like and some music" }, { "start": 1749.44, "end": 1753.72, "text": " I like and under films it says, I don't like movies." }, { "start": 1753.72, "end": 1755.2, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 1755.2, "end": 1756.2, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1756.2, "end": 1757.2, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 1757.2, "end": 1759.04, "text": " So you are truly, truly beating the system." }, { "start": 1759.04, "end": 1762.16, "text": " I was like going through a phase where they're like movies and I haven't updated in like" }, { "start": 1762.16, "end": 1763.8, "text": " however long, six years." }, { "start": 1763.8, "end": 1766.56, "text": " I was going through a phase where I didn't like movies." }, { "start": 1766.56, "end": 1768.56, "text": " I was watching a lot of TV." }, { "start": 1768.56, "end": 1769.56, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1769.56, "end": 1770.56, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 1770.56, "end": 1771.56, "text": " So let's, let's go ahead and move on." }, { "start": 1771.56, "end": 1775.76, "text": " But to answer your query, 3,129 people in New York plus one google.com." }, { "start": 1775.76, "end": 1776.76, "text": " That's amazing." }, { "start": 1776.76, "end": 1777.76, "text": " A lot of people." }, { "start": 1777.76, "end": 1779.72, "text": " Let's move on." }, { "start": 1779.72, "end": 1782.92, "text": " This the other big story this year, this year, this week." }, { "start": 1782.92, "end": 1783.92, "text": " What is this year?" }, { "start": 1783.92, "end": 1785.2, "text": " I mean, we're only just like post CS." }, { "start": 1785.2, "end": 1786.2, "text": " This feels like it's gone forever." }, { "start": 1786.2, "end": 1788.36, "text": " It's a seven 87 dreamliner." }, { "start": 1788.36, "end": 1789.36, "text": " This a Boeing jet." }, { "start": 1789.36, "end": 1791.68, "text": " I was told we have Chris on the line." }, { "start": 1791.68, "end": 1793.72, "text": " And I also heard what you're hearing." }, { "start": 1793.72, "end": 1794.72, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1794.72, "end": 1797.4, "text": " But you guys, this was the transition to getting Chris on." }, { "start": 1797.4, "end": 1799.92, "text": " I didn't know Chris knows about, I guess it doesn't make sense." }, { "start": 1799.92, "end": 1803.4, "text": " I thought Chris was going to talk about Facebook and then like, but then I was going to be" }, { "start": 1803.4, "end": 1804.4, "text": " like behind the scenes." }, { "start": 1804.4, "end": 1809.3200000000002, "text": " I was going to be like, you know what, Chris is pretty good with like, like things like" }, { "start": 1809.3200000000002, "end": 1814.16, "text": " planes and cars and trains and trains and automobiles." }, { "start": 1814.16, "end": 1815.88, "text": " Chris, are you there?" }, { "start": 1815.88, "end": 1816.88, "text": " Hello." }, { "start": 1816.88, "end": 1818.6000000000001, "text": " This is the worst, the worst." }, { "start": 1818.6000000000001, "end": 1822.24, "text": " Chris, Chris, what's your favorite train right now?" }, { "start": 1822.24, "end": 1824.6000000000001, "text": " My favorite train?" }, { "start": 1824.6000000000001, "end": 1828.1200000000001, "text": " I think GE makes some pretty sweet locomotives." }, { "start": 1828.1200000000001, "end": 1830.2, "text": " I've actually driven a GE train simulator." }, { "start": 1830.2, "end": 1831.2, "text": " Oh nice." }, { "start": 1831.2, "end": 1832.2, "text": " Oh yeah." }, { "start": 1832.2, "end": 1833.2, "text": " Cause you went to GE that one time." }, { "start": 1833.2, "end": 1834.2, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1834.2, "end": 1838.52, "text": " And they're upgrading the Amtrak to 4G, but all the articles were like, they're upgrading" }, { "start": 1838.52, "end": 1842.56, "text": " Amtrak to 4G, but the wifi will still suck." }, { "start": 1842.56, "end": 1844.56, "text": " It's still going to suck." }, { "start": 1844.56, "end": 1845.56, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1845.56, "end": 1846.56, "text": " Chris, let's talk Dreamliner." }, { "start": 1846.56, "end": 1848.04, "text": " Can you catch us up on what's going on?" }, { "start": 1848.04, "end": 1849.88, "text": " Why this plane is down?" }, { "start": 1849.88, "end": 1850.88, "text": " What happened?" }, { "start": 1850.88, "end": 1851.88, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1851.88, "end": 1860.76, "text": " So, so basically we've had a couple incidents in the past where the batteries, the lithium" }, { "start": 1860.76, "end": 1867.8, "text": " ion batteries that power a lot of the systems on the aircraft have basically started smoking," }, { "start": 1867.8, "end": 1869.76, "text": " which you know, if you go back 10 years." }, { "start": 1869.76, "end": 1870.76, "text": " That's so bad for them." }, { "start": 1870.76, "end": 1871.76, "text": " Why do they do that?" }, { "start": 1871.76, "end": 1873.08, "text": " Don't they know the warning signs?" }, { "start": 1873.08, "end": 1874.08, "text": " Menthol or regular?" }, { "start": 1874.08, "end": 1884.96, "text": " If you go back, I mean like anyone who's been reading technology sites over the past decade" }, { "start": 1884.96, "end": 1889.6, "text": " knows that lithium ion batteries run into issues every once in a while." }, { "start": 1889.6, "end": 1891.56, "text": " And now Boeing is learning that firsthand." }, { "start": 1891.56, "end": 1897.32, "text": " So you know, just to catch you up on what this is all about, historically airliners" }, { "start": 1897.32, "end": 1903.32, "text": " have used hydraulic systems to power, you know, different control surfaces in their" }, { "start": 1903.32, "end": 1909.9599999999998, "text": " aircraft that require more, more force than the human body of the pilot can provide." }, { "start": 1909.9599999999998, "end": 1915.6399999999999, "text": " And the 787 to save weight, one of the things that does is it uses electrical systems in" }, { "start": 1915.6399999999999, "end": 1917.7199999999998, "text": " places some of these hydraulic systems." }, { "start": 1917.72, "end": 1922.64, "text": " So that's why they need these giant batteries on and that's where they're running into issues." }, { "start": 1922.64, "end": 1928.76, "text": " But I mean, just from a tech nerd perspective, I feel like we solved the exploding lithium" }, { "start": 1928.76, "end": 1932.3600000000001, "text": " ion battery situation like years ago, right?" }, { "start": 1932.3600000000001, "end": 1937.24, "text": " Like Sony made a bunch of batteries and like laptops are exploding left and right." }, { "start": 1937.24, "end": 1941.68, "text": " Like didn't, isn't this problem solved where they just like, Hey, we've got, was Boeing" }, { "start": 1941.68, "end": 1944.44, "text": " like, Hey Sony, do you have any leftover laptop batteries?" }, { "start": 1944.44, "end": 1946.24, "text": " And so he was like, yes we do." }, { "start": 1946.24, "end": 1952.68, "text": " I mean, look, yes and no." }, { "start": 1952.68, "end": 1958.36, "text": " Like if you look at like, you know, the, the Shibold, it had an issue last year where" }, { "start": 1958.36, "end": 1965.4, "text": " in impact situations, the battery could leak and start a fire." }, { "start": 1965.4, "end": 1970.56, "text": " And so I think that there are still a lot of unanswered questions about the safety of" }, { "start": 1970.56, "end": 1972.64, "text": " lithium ion chemistry." }, { "start": 1972.64, "end": 1977.76, "text": " And and you know, especially when you're talking about a battery this big that powers systems" }, { "start": 1977.76, "end": 1980.3200000000002, "text": " this big and powerful." }, { "start": 1980.3200000000002, "end": 1986.0800000000002, "text": " There are a lot of things that are unique to the environment of an aircraft that, you" }, { "start": 1986.0800000000002, "end": 1987.96, "text": " know, this is a new situation." }, { "start": 1987.96, "end": 1989.5600000000002, "text": " Batteries haven't been used in this way before." }, { "start": 1989.5600000000002, "end": 1993.8000000000002, "text": " So, but you were saying, you wrote a report today, but in your report you're like compared" }, { "start": 1993.8000000000002, "end": 2000.44, "text": " to like the 737 and the Airbus A320, which are both like the most common aircraft around" }, { "start": 2000.44, "end": 2005.92, "text": " now this rate of incidence is not, not outside of the mainstream, right?" }, { "start": 2005.92, "end": 2006.92, "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 2006.92, "end": 2009.6000000000001, "text": " If you look at, yeah, that's exactly right." }, { "start": 2009.6000000000001, "end": 2015.64, "text": " If you look at every airliner in the sky today, whether it be the A320, the 737, the A380," }, { "start": 2015.64, "end": 2023.72, "text": " A330, whatever, all of these aircraft had safety issues that have been, you know, retroactively" }, { "start": 2023.72, "end": 2029.46, "text": " resolved after the aircraft launched through airworthiness directors issued by American" }, { "start": 2029.46, "end": 2032.16, "text": " and European aviation authorities." }, { "start": 2032.16, "end": 2039.04, "text": " And these aircraft are now part of an extremely safe, you know, aviation environment." }, { "start": 2039.04, "end": 2043.48, "text": " In fact, 2012 was the safest year for air travel in the past 50 years." }, { "start": 2043.48, "end": 2044.48, "text": " So there's no-" }, { "start": 2044.48, "end": 2050.12, "text": " But those were all, but I, just in reading your thing, what struck me was the 737 and" }, { "start": 2050.12, "end": 2054.12, "text": " the Airbus stuff, it was, they were all like basically mechanical issues." }, { "start": 2054.12, "end": 2057.88, "text": " Like, you know, this bushing is wearing out or these, what were they called?" }, { "start": 2057.88, "end": 2058.88, "text": " Pitot tubes?" }, { "start": 2058.88, "end": 2060.6, "text": " Or like these need to be bigger." }, { "start": 2060.6, "end": 2062.56, "text": " You should, we'll get you a flash drive, Paul." }, { "start": 2062.56, "end": 2063.56, "text": " Pitot tubes." }, { "start": 2063.56, "end": 2064.56, "text": " Don't let-" }, { "start": 2064.56, "end": 2065.56, "text": " She just made that up." }, { "start": 2065.56, "end": 2066.56, "text": " Pitot tubes." }, { "start": 2066.56, "end": 2068.76, "text": " Pitot tubes, which sounds better." }, { "start": 2068.76, "end": 2072.6, "text": " No, but it was like, they were all mechanical issues, right?" }, { "start": 2072.6, "end": 2077.6400000000003, "text": " And what strikes me as being different about the Dreamliner is the, like, there have to" }, { "start": 2077.6400000000003, "end": 2081.08, "text": " be batteries and the batteries have to not be on fire." }, { "start": 2081.08, "end": 2084.88, "text": " And like literally, like the FAA issuing a piece of paper that says, don't let those" }, { "start": 2084.88, "end": 2089.7200000000003, "text": " start on fire is like not, not the same as like mandating that something change mechanically." }, { "start": 2089.7200000000003, "end": 2094.96, "text": " Yeah, but it could be as simple as a manufacturing issue in these batteries at this point." }, { "start": 2094.96, "end": 2096.6, "text": " Just, you know, we just don't know." }, { "start": 2096.6, "end": 2102.44, "text": " But think about these airliners going back to the start of the jet age." }, { "start": 2102.44, "end": 2108.08, "text": " Every single one of these aircraft is carrying literally thousands of pounds of jet fuel." }, { "start": 2108.08, "end": 2109.08, "text": " And-" }, { "start": 2109.08, "end": 2110.08, "text": " My God." }, { "start": 2110.08, "end": 2111.08, "text": " And that seems to be okay." }, { "start": 2111.08, "end": 2112.08, "text": " It's worked out okay for them." }, { "start": 2112.08, "end": 2113.08, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2113.08, "end": 2117.16, "text": " So there's no reason to think that they won't be able to solve this issue with the batteries" }, { "start": 2117.16, "end": 2118.16, "text": " as well." }, { "start": 2118.16, "end": 2122.68, "text": " I mean, EVs are now a common sight on roads across the US and I'm sure-" }, { "start": 2122.68, "end": 2123.68, "text": " EVs." }, { "start": 2123.68, "end": 2124.68, "text": " Chris is a car nerd." }, { "start": 2124.68, "end": 2125.68, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 2125.68, "end": 2128.08, "text": " He thinks cars are, EVs are electric vehicles." }, { "start": 2128.08, "end": 2129.08, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 2129.08, "end": 2131.52, "text": " Chris, talk to the humans now." }, { "start": 2131.52, "end": 2134.68, "text": " No, I hear what you're saying." }, { "start": 2134.68, "end": 2138.96, "text": " And like, I gather that, you know, Priuses aren't lighting on fire every day, but it" }, { "start": 2138.96, "end": 2144.88, "text": " just seems, it seems like if I'm driving a Prius or a Volt or whatever, and I'm sitting" }, { "start": 2144.88, "end": 2147.88, "text": " on a stack of batteries and something goes wrong, I can like go away from them." }, { "start": 2147.88, "end": 2149.32, "text": " I can like stop the car and like-" }, { "start": 2149.32, "end": 2150.32, "text": " You ain't run-" }, { "start": 2150.32, "end": 2156.2400000000002, "text": " I think that's why the fault tolerance for planes is so low." }, { "start": 2156.2400000000002, "end": 2162.44, "text": " But to Chris's point, I mean, these things are dramatically, insanely safe." }, { "start": 2162.44, "end": 2163.68, "text": " Like really ridiculous." }, { "start": 2163.68, "end": 2165.48, "text": " And that's why these are grounded right now." }, { "start": 2165.48, "end": 2166.48, "text": " But yeah, I don't know-" }, { "start": 2166.48, "end": 2167.48, "text": " You know what was interesting?" }, { "start": 2167.48, "end": 2169.76, "text": " Chris, and maybe I want you to talk about this a little bit too." }, { "start": 2169.76, "end": 2177.36, "text": " The FAA this week also started its review of electronic devices during takeoff and landing." }, { "start": 2177.36, "end": 2182.6, "text": " I mean, to me, you know, to me what's funniest about this is I bought noise canceling headphones" }, { "start": 2182.6, "end": 2183.6, "text": " finally." }, { "start": 2183.6, "end": 2186.16, "text": " And if you have headphones with an LED, they'll just let you wear them." }, { "start": 2186.16, "end": 2189.42, "text": " Cause it's like, that's the one thing that's allowed." }, { "start": 2189.42, "end": 2191.08, "text": " Noise canceling headphones are allowed." }, { "start": 2191.08, "end": 2193.92, "text": " So I'm sitting there just like jamming away to music cause my headphones are allowed." }, { "start": 2193.92, "end": 2196.88, "text": " Yeah, they're always like, you can wear the headphones, but what are they plugged in to" }, { "start": 2196.88, "end": 2197.88, "text": " that's okay." }, { "start": 2197.88, "end": 2200.52, "text": " No, I think you're supposed to just sit there like quietly canceling noise." }, { "start": 2200.52, "end": 2201.52, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2201.52, "end": 2204.76, "text": " But like nobody listens to this rule obviously." }, { "start": 2204.76, "end": 2206.6400000000003, "text": " So if you have headphones with an LED, you can just wear them." }, { "start": 2206.6400000000003, "end": 2209.2400000000002, "text": " But you can't wear regular headphones if they don't have an LED." }, { "start": 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organization, but it is one of the few cases" }, { "start": 2235.8, "end": 2242.88, "text": " where it works to everyone's advantage because they need, they need literally years of study" }, { "start": 2242.88, "end": 2247, "text": " and rulemaking to figure out what the optimal and safest way is to deal with these kinds" }, { "start": 2247, "end": 2248, "text": " of situations." }, { "start": 2248, "end": 2253.12, "text": " And I don't, like I know it's really frustrating that you can't read your stupid Kindle for" }, { "start": 2253.12, "end": 2255.08, "text": " eight minutes and it's only 10,000 feet." }, { "start": 2255.08, "end": 2256.08, "text": " I get it." }, { "start": 2256.08, "end": 2257.08, "text": " But like deal with it." }, { "start": 2257.08, "end": 2261.96, "text": " Like I, you know, I'd rather the, and I, in fact, I wrote an editorial about this on" }, { "start": 2261.96, "end": 2262.96, "text": " the site about a year ago." }, { "start": 2262.96, "end": 2268.4, "text": " Like I would much rather the FAA take its sweet time triple checking the safety of this" }, { "start": 2268.4, "end": 2271.08, "text": " rather than letting people just go hog wild." }, { "start": 2271.08, "end": 2272.94, "text": " I mean, it just isn't that." }, { "start": 2272.94, "end": 2278.08, "text": " What I'm suggesting to you, Chris, is that the people have already gone hog wild, right?" }, { "start": 2278.08, "end": 2280.88, "text": " Like they're, I don't turn my phone off." }, { "start": 2280.88, "end": 2285.32, "text": " I never even put my iPad in a tablet." }, { "start": 2285.32, "end": 2286.32, "text": " Nobody turns their phone." }, { "start": 2286.32, "end": 2287.32, "text": " I turn my phone off." }, { "start": 2287.32, "end": 2289.6800000000003, "text": " You have a Huawei flip phone." }, { "start": 2289.6800000000003, "end": 2291.6, "text": " Turning your phone off is the same as putting it in a standby." }, { "start": 2291.6, "end": 2293.6400000000003, "text": " I used to turn my iPhone off." }, { "start": 2293.6400000000003, "end": 2294.6400000000003, "text": " You're a maniac." }, { "start": 2294.6400000000003, "end": 2298.42, "text": " I mean, I don't know anybody, anybody who turns their phone off regardless of the repeated" }, { "start": 2298.42, "end": 2299.42, "text": " warnings." }, { "start": 2299.42, "end": 2301.58, "text": " A lot of people at least do airplane mode though." }, { "start": 2301.58, "end": 2303.1600000000003, "text": " A lot of people turn off their radios." }, { "start": 2303.1600000000003, "end": 2304.7200000000003, "text": " Right, but you're supposed to turn them all the way off." }, { "start": 2304.7200000000003, "end": 2305.7200000000003, "text": " I know you're supposed to." }, { "start": 2305.72, "end": 2312.3999999999996, "text": " I never put my iPad in airplane mode because it's not a wild rodeo in there yet, but Chris" }, { "start": 2312.3999999999996, "end": 2313.3999999999996, "text": " is wrong." }, { "start": 2313.3999999999996, "end": 2315.24, "text": " I mean, but I'm wearing the noise cancelers, man." }, { "start": 2315.24, "end": 2316.24, "text": " Like I'm doing it." }, { "start": 2316.24, "end": 2318.2, "text": " I've gotten really good at like avoiding the stewardess." }, { "start": 2318.2, "end": 2321.56, "text": " Like when they're like walking by like, oh God, no, everybody's some sort of like, I" }, { "start": 2321.56, "end": 2322.56, "text": " don't see that." }, { "start": 2322.56, "end": 2324.7599999999998, "text": " I don't want to be like a secret agent on a plane." }, { "start": 2324.7599999999998, "end": 2325.7599999999998, "text": " No, no." }, { "start": 2325.7599999999998, "end": 2328.24, "text": " And that's why I just pack a book." }, { "start": 2328.24, "end": 2334.08, "text": " But what crazy options you live in anyway, of course you pack a book." }, { "start": 2334.08, "end": 2337.2799999999997, "text": " What else would you do?" }, { "start": 2337.2799999999997, "end": 2338.2799999999997, "text": " I can read on my iPad." }, { "start": 2338.2799999999997, "end": 2341.56, "text": " Paul pulls out the giant Gameboy black and white Tetris." }, { "start": 2341.56, "end": 2342.56, "text": " That'd be awesome." }, { "start": 2342.56, "end": 2343.56, "text": " That'd be great." }, { "start": 2343.56, "end": 2344.56, "text": " It's still the best version." }, { "start": 2344.56, "end": 2345.56, "text": " Anyway." }, { "start": 2345.56, "end": 2346.56, "text": " What else is on our list?" }, { "start": 2346.56, "end": 2347.56, "text": " Is Chris sticking around?" }, { "start": 2347.56, "end": 2348.56, "text": " I mean, Chris, we want to stick around." }, { "start": 2348.56, "end": 2349.88, "text": " I mean, we need to talk a little bit about Air Swartz and then let's move on to a couple" }, { "start": 2349.88, "end": 2351.88, "text": " of the bigger things and like let's just wrap up." }, { "start": 2351.88, "end": 2353.84, "text": " Chris, do you want to stick around?" }, { "start": 2353.84, "end": 2354.92, "text": " I would love to." }, { "start": 2354.92, "end": 2358.52, "text": " I might puke or cough during this and I apologize if that's-" }, { "start": 2358.52, "end": 2359.52, "text": " Welcome." }, { "start": 2359.52, "end": 2360.52, "text": " No, you don't understand what I mean." }, { "start": 2360.52, "end": 2361.52, "text": " Sure." }, { "start": 2361.52, "end": 2362.52, "text": " We've all been sneezing or blowing our nose or hacking up here." }, { "start": 2362.52, "end": 2363.52, "text": " You're a little fan of the Chris." }, { "start": 2363.52, "end": 2367.28, "text": " Are you calling us from an Amtrak train?" }, { "start": 2367.28, "end": 2368.28, "text": " Or the air?" }, { "start": 2368.28, "end": 2369.28, "text": " I'm on a 787 right now." }, { "start": 2369.28, "end": 2370.28, "text": " Oh, well, he's on the ground then." }, { "start": 2370.28, "end": 2371.28, "text": " It's okay." }, { "start": 2371.28, "end": 2372.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2372.28, "end": 2373.28, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2373.28, "end": 2377.88, "text": " Let's talk about Aaron Swartz just a little bit." }, { "start": 2377.88, "end": 2378.88, "text": " Very little bit." }, { "start": 2378.88, "end": 2380.16, "text": " We're still getting caught up on the story." }, { "start": 2380.16, "end": 2381.16, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2381.16, "end": 2382.16, "text": " I'll do the short about the background." }, { "start": 2382.16, "end": 2385.92, "text": " So Aaron Swartz, and forgive me for not having all the details here because this happened" }, { "start": 2385.92, "end": 2390.4, "text": " mostly while we were at CS and I just didn't have time to read everything." }, { "start": 2390.4, "end": 2397.6, "text": " So there was Aaron Swartz is an internet activist, tragically committed suicide last week." }, { "start": 2397.6, "end": 2400.52, "text": " I mean, his list of..." }, { "start": 2400.52, "end": 2402.52, "text": " He was very young, 26?" }, { "start": 2402.52, "end": 2404, "text": " 26 or 25." }, { "start": 2404, "end": 2405, "text": " 26." }, { "start": 2405, "end": 2406, "text": " 26." }, { "start": 2406, "end": 2407.7200000000003, "text": " But young and just brilliant." }, { "start": 2407.7200000000003, "end": 2409.64, "text": " So RSS at 14." }, { "start": 2409.64, "end": 2413.84, "text": " RSS at 14 was John Gruber's only beta tester for Markdown." }, { "start": 2413.84, "end": 2415.8, "text": " I didn't know that." }, { "start": 2415.8, "end": 2418.12, "text": " Co-founder of Reddit." }, { "start": 2418.12, "end": 2419.48, "text": " All sorts of other hacktivist projects." }, { "start": 2419.48, "end": 2421.44, "text": " I think he's company got acquired by Reddit." }, { "start": 2421.44, "end": 2422.44, "text": " Yeah, but like..." }, { "start": 2422.44, "end": 2423.44, "text": " It was company got acquired by Reddit." }, { "start": 2423.44, "end": 2426.4, "text": " But he was so early in the mix." }, { "start": 2426.4, "end": 2429.6, "text": " It was Lawrence Lassagher, Tim Wu, who said it was so early that he might as well have" }, { "start": 2429.6, "end": 2430.6, "text": " done it then." }, { "start": 2430.6, "end": 2431.6, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2431.6, "end": 2434.04, "text": " And that's like everything he did for Reddit after that, like all the code base." }, { "start": 2434.04, "end": 2435.04, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2435.04, "end": 2437.6, "text": " I mean, he was a genius." }, { "start": 2437.6, "end": 2444.56, "text": " But the thing that got him the most notoriety and most attention was that he hacked into" }, { "start": 2444.56, "end": 2449.28, "text": " JSTOR, which is an academic database of journal articles." }, { "start": 2449.28, "end": 2450.28, "text": " When I was in college, I used it." }, { "start": 2450.28, "end": 2451.28, "text": " When I was in law school, I used it." }, { "start": 2451.28, "end": 2452.28, "text": " And it's useful." }, { "start": 2452.28, "end": 2455.6000000000004, "text": " It's this tool that you can log into." }, { "start": 2455.6000000000004, "end": 2457.82, "text": " Schools pay a lot of money for you to have access to it." }, { "start": 2457.82, "end": 2461.28, "text": " And it's every academic journal goes into it." }, { "start": 2461.28, "end": 2462.28, "text": " And so he..." }, { "start": 2462.28, "end": 2463.28, "text": " Is that like LexisNexis?" }, { "start": 2463.28, "end": 2464.28, "text": " It's kind of like LexisNexis." }, { "start": 2464.28, "end": 2465.28, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2465.28, "end": 2466.28, "text": " Is that like another version?" }, { "start": 2466.28, "end": 2468.32, "text": " Yeah, they're all just different." }, { "start": 2468.32, "end": 2470.32, "text": " LexisNexis kind of does..." }, { "start": 2470.32, "end": 2473.44, "text": " The Lexis side of Lexis is all the court decisions and things." }, { "start": 2473.44, "end": 2477, "text": " The Nexus side is news, JSTOR is academic journal." }, { "start": 2477, "end": 2479.68, "text": " So there's different categories of things." }, { "start": 2479.68, "end": 2486.08, "text": " So Aaron, I think stupidly, I think we can all agree that this was not an optimal course" }, { "start": 2486.08, "end": 2493.48, "text": " of action, broke into a closet at MIT, installed a laptop that ran scripts to download everything" }, { "start": 2493.48, "end": 2494.48, "text": " from JSTOR." }, { "start": 2494.48, "end": 2495.48, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2495.48, "end": 2497.88, "text": " And cat and mouse back and forth a few times." }, { "start": 2497.88, "end": 2499.62, "text": " They cut off the laptop's access." }, { "start": 2499.62, "end": 2500.96, "text": " He went and physically installed the laptop." }, { "start": 2500.96, "end": 2505.96, "text": " He got caught on a video camera and was sued or prosecuted by the government for federal" }, { "start": 2505.96, "end": 2509.44, "text": " copyright infringement, which is criminal copyright infringement." }, { "start": 2509.44, "end": 2512.36, "text": " JSTOR dropped its charges and said, please don't do this again." }, { "start": 2512.36, "end": 2513.36, "text": " He was like, fine." }, { "start": 2513.36, "end": 2516.6, "text": " MIT kind of wavered and did nothing as far as I can tell." }, { "start": 2516.6, "end": 2519.92, "text": " Well, then they're currently investigating further what actually they did to help with" }, { "start": 2519.92, "end": 2522.32, "text": " the prosecution case because they're not clear right now." }, { "start": 2522.32, "end": 2525.92, "text": " So it's JSTOR is like they were like, whatever, we're academics." }, { "start": 2525.92, "end": 2527.92, "text": " Victim of crime, essentially." }, { "start": 2527.92, "end": 2528.92, "text": " Yeah, right." }, { "start": 2528.92, "end": 2531.44, "text": " Anyway, so all this happened." }, { "start": 2531.44, "end": 2537.32, "text": " The prosecutors in the case pushed very, very hard to prosecute him for criminal copyright" }, { "start": 2537.32, "end": 2538.32, "text": " infringement." }, { "start": 2538.32, "end": 2545.34, "text": " And on the table as part of his plea bargain was up to 35 years in jail, which is stupid." }, { "start": 2545.34, "end": 2549, "text": " And then but they were saying like, you know, if he pleads guilty, he could be as low as" }, { "start": 2549, "end": 2550, "text": " six months." }, { "start": 2550, "end": 2551, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2551, "end": 2552, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2552, "end": 2554.32, "text": " But the key there is just a plead guilty to all of the charges." }, { "start": 2554.32, "end": 2558.36, "text": " So there's a lot of questions about prosecutorial discretion." }, { "start": 2558.36, "end": 2559.36, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2559.36, "end": 2560.36, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2560.36, "end": 2561.36, "text": " Because the prosecutors have a choice." }, { "start": 2561.36, "end": 2565.08, "text": " You know, you don't really know this when when you're the DA or whoever, like you get" }, { "start": 2565.08, "end": 2569.2400000000002, "text": " to choose exactly what you're going to charge, what you're going to ask for." }, { "start": 2569.2400000000002, "end": 2571.92, "text": " It's in the law is built that way." }, { "start": 2571.92, "end": 2572.92, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2572.92, "end": 2575.28, "text": " Because the idea is the prosecutor will make a choice." }, { "start": 2575.28, "end": 2577.1200000000003, "text": " And in this case, they chose." }, { "start": 2577.1200000000003, "end": 2582.26, "text": " And there's a lot of talk that Keed also set up a similar program called a recap." }, { "start": 2582.26, "end": 2586.92, "text": " So there's a government operates a federal court database called Pacer." }, { "start": 2586.92, "end": 2590.44, "text": " So when we covered Apple versus Samsung, we were in Pacer every day downloading all the" }, { "start": 2590.44, "end": 2592.16, "text": " court files every night." }, { "start": 2592.16, "end": 2593.6, "text": " And so his is called recap." }, { "start": 2593.6, "end": 2597.2000000000003, "text": " And it's people taking things off of Pacer, which has a fee and putting up into a free" }, { "start": 2597.2000000000003, "end": 2600.44, "text": " system called recap, which was they wanted to prosecute him for that." }, { "start": 2600.44, "end": 2601.44, "text": " But it's legal." }, { "start": 2601.44, "end": 2603.16, "text": " So they couldn't because everything government says he did that." }, { "start": 2603.16, "end": 2605.16, "text": " They're like libraries or something." }, { "start": 2605.16, "end": 2607.8, "text": " No, he had the other people doing it." }, { "start": 2607.8, "end": 2610.68, "text": " But everything the government creates is public domain." }, { "start": 2610.68, "end": 2613.04, "text": " So there's nothing to charge." }, { "start": 2613.04, "end": 2614.04, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2614.04, "end": 2615.04, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2615.04, "end": 2616.04, "text": " Anyway, so all this happens." }, { "start": 2616.04, "end": 2618.36, "text": " He was also very depressed and tragically took his own life." }, { "start": 2618.36, "end": 2621.7200000000003, "text": " And now there's like this explosion of outrage." }, { "start": 2621.7200000000003, "end": 2626.6400000000003, "text": " And to me, I agree like outrage as a general concept is there." }, { "start": 2626.6400000000003, "end": 2631.92, "text": " But the outrage is to me should be directed at like, why was he being charged with criminal" }, { "start": 2631.92, "end": 2633.38, "text": " copyright infringement?" }, { "start": 2633.38, "end": 2639.84, "text": " Not our laws are so broken, or he should have definitely stolen everything from JSTOR." }, { "start": 2639.84, "end": 2644, "text": " It's one of those things where the government has a lot of discretion and it needs to use" }, { "start": 2644, "end": 2645.48, "text": " it wisely." }, { "start": 2645.48, "end": 2648.34, "text": " But in this case, like breaking into a closet." }, { "start": 2648.34, "end": 2652.08, "text": " So there's a couple of facts that have made this like such a high profile issue." }, { "start": 2652.08, "end": 2656.08, "text": " Number one, the family immediately came out the first letters like this is the families" }, { "start": 2656.08, "end": 2660.44, "text": " like we the finger was finger was pointed pretty harshly at that point." }, { "start": 2660.44, "end": 2662.96, "text": " Number two, that prosecutors also linked to another hacker suicide." }, { "start": 2662.96, "end": 2663.96, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2663.96, "end": 2664.96, "text": " Oh, really?" }, { "start": 2664.96, "end": 2665.96, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2665.96, "end": 2666.96, "text": " I didn't know that." }, { "start": 2666.96, "end": 2667.96, "text": " That's terrible." }, { "start": 2667.96, "end": 2668.96, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2668.96, "end": 2669.96, "text": " Was it?" }, { "start": 2669.96, "end": 2670.96, "text": " I'm trying to look." }, { "start": 2670.96, "end": 2673.44, "text": " So the Q Stephen Hayman of like, pushing this, you know, put the prosecutor pushing so hard" }, { "start": 2673.44, "end": 2677.56, "text": " that this costs words like, Wow, I didn't know that there's another person." }, { "start": 2677.56, "end": 2680.16, "text": " I'm trying to think he's not to be JJ." }, { "start": 2680.16, "end": 2682.84, "text": " This is from BuzzFeed, by the way." }, { "start": 2682.84, "end": 2687.62, "text": " WJD the unindicted co-conspirator named the criminal complaints for another trial." }, { "start": 2687.62, "end": 2690.84, "text": " He also committed suicide years before this is ridiculous." }, { "start": 2690.84, "end": 2691.84, "text": " So it's like, that's ridiculous." }, { "start": 2691.84, "end": 2696.36, "text": " Like there's a lot of like evidence like this is just there's a habit of pushing these," }, { "start": 2696.36, "end": 2698.04, "text": " these hacker crimes so hard, right?" }, { "start": 2698.04, "end": 2702.12, "text": " He's like, you know, these people are like, not in a good state of mind and like, well," }, { "start": 2702.12, "end": 2704.88, "text": " I mean, so I, I know, sorry." }, { "start": 2704.88, "end": 2709.4, "text": " Well, I mean, saying that pushing the process, I mean, drawing the direct connection, I think" }, { "start": 2709.4, "end": 2713.7999999999997, "text": " is very tenuous, but I will say, and Josh Copstein is actually working on a piece, which" }, { "start": 2713.7999999999997, "end": 2716.96, "text": " is great on this." }, { "start": 2716.96, "end": 2722.2799999999997, "text": " The government is in a moment in a moment of pure freak out over what people can do" }, { "start": 2722.2799999999997, "end": 2726.3199999999997, "text": " on computers and how we think about what they do on computers." }, { "start": 2726.32, "end": 2733.6200000000003, "text": " And that is linked to everything from these guys stealing court, public domain court files" }, { "start": 2733.6200000000003, "end": 2739.4, "text": " and journal articles that don't make their academic owners any money anyway, to things" }, { "start": 2739.4, "end": 2744.1600000000003, "text": " like hacking Stratfor and getting credit card numbers to things like taking down PlayStation" }, { "start": 2744.1600000000003, "end": 2746.36, "text": " network to things like WikiLeaks." }, { "start": 2746.36, "end": 2748.56, "text": " And it's a broad spectrum." }, { "start": 2748.56, "end": 2752.84, "text": " Like the level of things that are wrong there is like, you can pick and choose." }, { "start": 2752.84, "end": 2754.86, "text": " Like some things are actually crimes." }, { "start": 2754.86, "end": 2758.36, "text": " Some things are not, and some things should be prosecuted and like vilified and some" }, { "start": 2758.36, "end": 2759.6400000000003, "text": " things should not be." }, { "start": 2759.6400000000003, "end": 2762.2400000000002, "text": " And there's a huge gray area in between there." }, { "start": 2762.2400000000002, "end": 2764.2400000000002, "text": " And the government doesn't know about that." }, { "start": 2764.2400000000002, "end": 2766.1400000000003, "text": " They don't know how to deal with it." }, { "start": 2766.1400000000003, "end": 2771.32, "text": " You cross the line and it's pretty black and white as far as if you're doing, I just, yeah," }, { "start": 2771.32, "end": 2772.32, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 2772.32, "end": 2775.1200000000003, "text": " I mean, like if you look at Bradley Manning, right?" }, { "start": 2775.1200000000003, "end": 2779.54, "text": " Bradley Manning is like the, the, the main person in the WikiLeaks case, right?" }, { "start": 2779.54, "end": 2783.6800000000003, "text": " Like he's been subjected to pretty terrible treatment by our government." }, { "start": 2783.68, "end": 2786.7999999999997, "text": " And his trial is ongoing and it's not being covered by the media at this point." }, { "start": 2786.7999999999997, "end": 2790.52, "text": " Like really hasn't been covered very thoroughly by the media because the government is so" }, { "start": 2790.52, "end": 2794.52, "text": " thoroughly vilified him as he stole a thumb drive full of documents." }, { "start": 2794.52, "end": 2795.52, "text": " Which one's Bradley Manning?" }, { "start": 2795.52, "end": 2799.04, "text": " Is that the military guy who, yeah, right." }, { "start": 2799.04, "end": 2802.9199999999996, "text": " He's been covered pretty, I mean his trial, have you read your, you read the paper every" }, { "start": 2802.9199999999996, "end": 2803.9199999999996, "text": " day." }, { "start": 2803.9199999999996, "end": 2805.72, "text": " Do you know his trial is currently ongoing?" }, { "start": 2805.72, "end": 2806.72, "text": " No." }, { "start": 2806.72, "end": 2807.72, "text": " Do you know that?" }, { "start": 2807.72, "end": 2809.7599999999998, "text": " I mean, do you know that we have a reporter there every day who's like writing something?" }, { "start": 2809.7599999999998, "end": 2810.7599999999998, "text": " No." }, { "start": 2810.7599999999998, "end": 2812.72, "text": " So yeah, I haven't heard anything about him in a while." }, { "start": 2812.72, "end": 2817.04, "text": " Because the rest of the media, you got a lot of cover, like when about a year, right?" }, { "start": 2817.04, "end": 2819.04, "text": " His trial is ongoing and it's not being covered." }, { "start": 2819.04, "end": 2820.04, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2820.04, "end": 2821.04, "text": " Which is crazy." }, { "start": 2821.04, "end": 2822.04, "text": " Like that is crazy." }, { "start": 2822.04, "end": 2823.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2823.04, "end": 2831.04, "text": " I, the air sports thing is really sad and I just, I don't, I don't really like the dramatic" }, { "start": 2831.04, "end": 2832.68, "text": " rapid finger pointing." }, { "start": 2832.68, "end": 2839.16, "text": " It, these sound like things that need to be, these are policies that need to be worked" }, { "start": 2839.16, "end": 2840.16, "text": " on." }, { "start": 2840.16, "end": 2845.8399999999997, "text": " I think we need more granularity as far as prosecuting and you know, what's what." }, { "start": 2845.8399999999997, "end": 2847.44, "text": " Because he obviously broke the law." }, { "start": 2847.44, "end": 2848.44, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2848.44, "end": 2850, "text": " So the distinction for me is." }, { "start": 2850, "end": 2853.8799999999997, "text": " And I think, and that's, that's the, the, when you start like, I don't know, I don't" }, { "start": 2853.8799999999997, "end": 2861.02, "text": " like a lot of blame shifting or like this rapid desire to point fingers when something" }, { "start": 2861.02, "end": 2862.52, "text": " tragic like this happens." }, { "start": 2862.52, "end": 2863.52, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2863.52, "end": 2867.8799999999997, "text": " Well, I mean, he was, he was very young and very brilliant and I think people are rightfully" }, { "start": 2867.88, "end": 2872.6400000000003, "text": " so very, very angry that he was put in this position and his parents, obviously his parents" }, { "start": 2872.6400000000003, "end": 2873.6400000000003, "text": " pissed." }, { "start": 2873.6400000000003, "end": 2874.6400000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2874.6400000000003, "end": 2877.6800000000003, "text": " But let me, let me ask you something." }, { "start": 2877.6800000000003, "end": 2881.2000000000003, "text": " Just to kind of get a clarification, the prosecutor like was still like, this is just to the letter" }, { "start": 2881.2000000000003, "end": 2883.2000000000003, "text": " of the law as we can currently interpret it." }, { "start": 2883.2000000000003, "end": 2884.88, "text": " Like is how he was being treated and charged." }, { "start": 2884.88, "end": 2886.52, "text": " The prosecutor could have not charged him." }, { "start": 2886.52, "end": 2887.52, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2887.52, "end": 2889.48, "text": " Like that, that is the level of prosecutorial discretion." }, { "start": 2889.48, "end": 2894.08, "text": " Like they're not, they can, it's literally the first part of law and order versus the" }, { "start": 2894.08, "end": 2895.8, "text": " second part of law and order." }, { "start": 2895.8, "end": 2898, "text": " Like that's, that's how you should think of this in your mind." }, { "start": 2898, "end": 2902.4, "text": " Like the evidence was collected, he was arrested and the prosecutors can do whatever they want." }, { "start": 2902.4, "end": 2906.88, "text": " And they do have the discretion to not file the charges in return for any number of things." }, { "start": 2906.88, "end": 2909.6400000000003, "text": " And they do have the discretion to not demand guilty, please." }, { "start": 2909.6400000000003, "end": 2910.6400000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2910.6400000000003, "end": 2912.96, "text": " They can demand what happens all the time." }, { "start": 2912.96, "end": 2913.96, "text": " No contest, right?" }, { "start": 2913.96, "end": 2914.96, "text": " Not an admission of guilt." }, { "start": 2914.96, "end": 2916.4, "text": " That's perfectly reasonable." }, { "start": 2916.4, "end": 2920.1200000000003, "text": " But I think to your point, Paul, what I think is more important is that we don't know how" }, { "start": 2920.1200000000003, "end": 2923.6400000000003, "text": " to think about people doing bad things in the internet with their, with their computer" }, { "start": 2923.6400000000003, "end": 2924.6400000000003, "text": " keyboards." }, { "start": 2924.6400000000003, "end": 2925.6400000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2925.64, "end": 2930, "text": " Like if you had broken into a bank and like literally stolen files out of the bank, or" }, { "start": 2930, "end": 2934.12, "text": " if you had broken into a library and literally taken the journals out of the library, we" }, { "start": 2934.12, "end": 2937.64, "text": " would know, like we would instinctively, like that was wrong." }, { "start": 2937.64, "end": 2938.64, "text": " He shouldn't have done that." }, { "start": 2938.64, "end": 2943.48, "text": " Like if he had broken into a blockbuster and copied all their videotapes and sold them," }, { "start": 2943.48, "end": 2944.48, "text": " right?" }, { "start": 2944.48, "end": 2945.64, "text": " We would know like that's wrong." }, { "start": 2945.64, "end": 2946.64, "text": " You shouldn't do that." }, { "start": 2946.64, "end": 2953.2799999999997, "text": " Like your level of effort to commit this wrong is, we can balance that by some level of punishment." }, { "start": 2953.28, "end": 2956.0400000000004, "text": " But what he did was like type type on a keyboard." }, { "start": 2956.0400000000004, "end": 2957.0400000000004, "text": " No, no." }, { "start": 2957.0400000000004, "end": 2958.0400000000004, "text": " And also, he didn't just do that." }, { "start": 2958.0400000000004, "end": 2959.0400000000004, "text": " There was a level of effort." }, { "start": 2959.0400000000004, "end": 2964.0400000000004, "text": " He snuck in, he broke into a place he shouldn't be in bypassed physical security." }, { "start": 2964.0400000000004, "end": 2968.6000000000004, "text": " What I'm saying is even that is like, like I did that shit when I was in college." }, { "start": 2968.6000000000004, "end": 2971.6000000000004, "text": " Here's the interesting thing to use your, to use your metaphor." }, { "start": 2971.6000000000004, "end": 2975.7200000000003, "text": " Like if he went into a library and stole all those books or all those academic journals," }, { "start": 2975.7200000000003, "end": 2979.52, "text": " like if we know there'd be a crime, he also took those away from someone else." }, { "start": 2979.52, "end": 2980.52, "text": " Like when he copied." }, { "start": 2980.52, "end": 2981.84, "text": " We don't know how to do copy." }, { "start": 2981.84, "end": 2986.2000000000003, "text": " Look, our, our sense of, we still don't know how to prosecute people who steal MP3s." }, { "start": 2986.2000000000003, "end": 2987.2000000000003, "text": " We don't know." }, { "start": 2987.2000000000003, "end": 2988.2000000000003, "text": " No, we don't." }, { "start": 2988.2000000000003, "end": 2990, "text": " I think that's the thing is we don't know what to do with this stuff." }, { "start": 2990, "end": 2992.96, "text": " He's caught in the black brain area." }, { "start": 2992.96, "end": 2996.7200000000003, "text": " While we're spinning our wheels trying to figure out how are we going to deal with people" }, { "start": 2996.7200000000003, "end": 3001.8, "text": " acting on the internet, which is now just real life where the government is way behind," }, { "start": 3001.8, "end": 3002.8, "text": " right?" }, { "start": 3002.8, "end": 3004.7200000000003, "text": " And the people are getting more sophisticated." }, { "start": 3004.7200000000003, "end": 3007.2000000000003, "text": " And what's happening is we're like, screw it." }, { "start": 3007.2000000000003, "end": 3011.56, "text": " We'll just apply regular IRL law to things on the internet." }, { "start": 3011.56, "end": 3015.52, "text": " And the imbalance is for the most part, it's just kids typing on keyboards." }, { "start": 3015.52, "end": 3016.52, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3016.52, "end": 3023.6, "text": " Well, and I, I do, I don't know, I'm really speaking out of ignorance here, but I do imagine" }, { "start": 3023.6, "end": 3028.52, "text": " this sort of, um, the knee jerk reaction to the fact that like you said, you know, the" }, { "start": 3028.52, "end": 3030.62, "text": " government is way out of its depth here." }, { "start": 3030.62, "end": 3034.7999999999997, "text": " There are horrible things that are being done by kids behind keyboards right now." }, { "start": 3034.7999999999997, "end": 3041.54, "text": " There are a lot of, and I do think there's an aspect of wanting to be able to prosecute" }, { "start": 3041.54, "end": 3048.24, "text": " the horrible things to a full extent of a, of a, of a very hard nosed law." }, { "start": 3048.24, "end": 3049.24, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3049.24, "end": 3054.36, "text": " You know, um, it's just figuring out and, and, and, but the definitions are so broad" }, { "start": 3054.36, "end": 3057.56, "text": " because the technology changes so quickly." }, { "start": 3057.56, "end": 3064.56, "text": " But I would like to see, I would really like to see some examples of the horrible people" }, { "start": 3064.56, "end": 3067.32, "text": " doing horrible things behind their keyboards being brought to justice." }, { "start": 3067.32, "end": 3071.2799999999997, "text": " Because I do think there's an aspect of just, well, let's make an example of a hacker, you" }, { "start": 3071.28, "end": 3073.6800000000003, "text": " know, so other hackers are scared." }, { "start": 3073.6800000000003, "end": 3081.2400000000002, "text": " I'd like some examples to be made of, of LulzSec and anonymous guys who are, you know, ruining" }, { "start": 3081.2400000000002, "end": 3086.78, "text": " lives of individuals that they, that they, um, attack and, you know, and stealing credit" }, { "start": 3086.78, "end": 3089.28, "text": " cards and all the larger things that they do." }, { "start": 3089.28, "end": 3094.1200000000003, "text": " No, I mean, I, but I think what you're getting at is the problem, which is the government" }, { "start": 3094.1200000000003, "end": 3095.6400000000003, "text": " thinks it's accomplishing that goal." }, { "start": 3095.6400000000003, "end": 3096.6400000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3096.6400000000003, "end": 3100.6400000000003, "text": " Clearly thinks it's accomplishing that goal by taking down like high profile, well known" }, { "start": 3100.64, "end": 3105.48, "text": " if, you know, if Aaron Swartz can get in trouble, then you can too anonymous." }, { "start": 3105.48, "end": 3109.3599999999997, "text": " That message has never worked in the history of the internet." }, { "start": 3109.3599999999997, "end": 3112.68, "text": " I don't think Aaron Swartz is sitting there thinking about Kevin Mitnick and being like," }, { "start": 3112.68, "end": 3113.68, "text": " man, I shouldn't do this." }, { "start": 3113.68, "end": 3120.7, "text": " I think he's thinking, uh, I think he was thinking rather, uh, that he was doing some" }, { "start": 3120.7, "end": 3123.72, "text": " greater social good and it was worth whatever risk he was taking." }, { "start": 3123.72, "end": 3125.16, "text": " And I think that's the history of activism." }, { "start": 3125.16, "end": 3128.08, "text": " And I think there's, there's a way to respect what those people are doing and there's a" }, { "start": 3128.08, "end": 3131.6, "text": " way to punish what anonymous is doing when it takes on PlayStation network." }, { "start": 3131.6, "end": 3132.6, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3132.6, "end": 3133.6, "text": " I think that's fair." }, { "start": 3133.6, "end": 3134.6, "text": " Do you want to move on?" }, { "start": 3134.6, "end": 3135.6, "text": " This has been sad enough." }, { "start": 3135.6, "end": 3136.6, "text": " Chris, do you have any thoughts?" }, { "start": 3136.6, "end": 3137.6, "text": " Chris is done." }, { "start": 3137.6, "end": 3138.96, "text": " I've been talking to Chris." }, { "start": 3138.96, "end": 3139.96, "text": " He's hacking up a lung." }, { "start": 3139.96, "end": 3147.3199999999997, "text": " I was explaining to Ross in chat just a minute ago that I was busy hacking my lungs out that" }, { "start": 3147.3199999999997, "end": 3148.3199999999997, "text": " entire time." }, { "start": 3148.3199999999997, "end": 3153.04, "text": " Oh, so let's, uh, let's do one more topic real quick and let's try to wrap this up." }, { "start": 3153.04, "end": 3154.52, "text": " Is this the story that came out last night?" }, { "start": 3154.52, "end": 3156.84, "text": " Uh, Matthew Tio, am I saying that right?" }, { "start": 3156.84, "end": 3157.84, "text": " Oh God." }, { "start": 3157.84, "end": 3159.58, "text": " Like real terms of things that matter." }, { "start": 3159.58, "end": 3162.7200000000003, "text": " This is like far on the other side." }, { "start": 3162.7200000000003, "end": 3163.7200000000003, "text": " What was that?" }, { "start": 3163.7200000000003, "end": 3165.96, "text": " Uh, we, okay, this is another behind the scenes." }, { "start": 3165.96, "end": 3168.36, "text": " The voice of God from the booth just try to correct the pronunciation." }, { "start": 3168.36, "end": 3169.36, "text": " How do you say it?" }, { "start": 3169.36, "end": 3170.36, "text": " Man tie, no way." }, { "start": 3170.36, "end": 3171.36, "text": " No way." }, { "start": 3171.36, "end": 3172.36, "text": " It's not right." }, { "start": 3172.36, "end": 3173.36, "text": " It's, it's, it's Monte Tio." }, { "start": 3173.36, "end": 3174.36, "text": " Monte." }, { "start": 3174.36, "end": 3175.36, "text": " Manti." }, { "start": 3175.36, "end": 3176.36, "text": " This guy claims to be an espionage guy." }, { "start": 3176.36, "end": 3186.36, "text": " Can we, can we put this voice of God on the air?" }, { "start": 3186.36, "end": 3188.04, "text": " Everyone is different that you're doing." }, { "start": 3188.04, "end": 3193.28, "text": " Brendan will, can we say it one more time?" }, { "start": 3193.28, "end": 3194.28, "text": " Manti Tio." }, { "start": 3194.28, "end": 3195.28, "text": " Manti Tio." }, { "start": 3195.28, "end": 3197.6, "text": " I don't, I don't believe anyone." }, { "start": 3197.6, "end": 3198.6, "text": " No." }, { "start": 3198.6, "end": 3199.6, "text": " Look, MT." }, { "start": 3199.6, "end": 3200.6, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3200.6, "end": 3204.36, "text": " Uh, and I honestly like to come from the one story of the story is so strange." }, { "start": 3204.36, "end": 3206.36, "text": " I mean like, do you know what's going on?" }, { "start": 3206.36, "end": 3208.6400000000003, "text": " I heard you got like pranked by somebody." }, { "start": 3208.6400000000003, "end": 3211, "text": " No, it's, it's far way worse than that." }, { "start": 3211, "end": 3212, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3212, "end": 3214.1200000000003, "text": " Uh, so, or like hoax, like an internet hoax." }, { "start": 3214.1200000000003, "end": 3216.1600000000003, "text": " Way, way stupider than that." }, { "start": 3216.16, "end": 3217.16, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 3217.16, "end": 3219.96, "text": " It's just explained because I don't think it's a completely trivial thing." }, { "start": 3219.96, "end": 3221.8399999999997, "text": " I think it's very tragic, but not in the same light." }, { "start": 3221.8399999999997, "end": 3228.12, "text": " So he was a football player at Notre Dame, a star defensive player and very good." }, { "start": 3228.12, "end": 3231.24, "text": " And then Notre Dame lost really hard." }, { "start": 3231.24, "end": 3236.6, "text": " Uh, but anyway, so he was, he's going to go in the first round of the draft." }, { "start": 3236.6, "end": 3237.6, "text": " He's really good." }, { "start": 3237.6, "end": 3241.48, "text": " But he, um, was before they played Michigan state." }, { "start": 3241.48, "end": 3245.04, "text": " There are all these news reports that like just before the game, his grandmother has" }, { "start": 3245.04, "end": 3248.44, "text": " died and his girlfriend had died of leukemia." }, { "start": 3248.44, "end": 3249.8, "text": " And he was like, I'm playing through the pain." }, { "start": 3249.8, "end": 3254.24, "text": " Like the news and the networks all had pictures of his girlfriend, like with a quote that" }, { "start": 3254.24, "end": 3256.24, "text": " was like, just play through a baby." }, { "start": 3256.24, "end": 3257.24, "text": " Don't miss any games for me." }, { "start": 3257.24, "end": 3260.16, "text": " And then she died and then he was a hero and they upset Michigan state." }, { "start": 3260.16, "end": 3262.48, "text": " And it turns out it was all a hoax." }, { "start": 3262.48, "end": 3264.2799999999997, "text": " Like she didn't exist." }, { "start": 3264.2799999999997, "end": 3273.56, "text": " Like someone or someone plus MT, uh, either concocted this person on Twitter, use doctored" }, { "start": 3273.56, "end": 3278.92, "text": " photos that couldn't be reversed, reverse image searched, uh, like had some other woman" }, { "start": 3278.92, "end": 3280.2, "text": " talk to him on the phone every night." }, { "start": 3280.2, "end": 3281.2, "text": " They never met in person." }, { "start": 3281.2, "end": 3286.16, "text": " And it was just like a Twitter relationship that like happened." }, { "start": 3286.16, "end": 3290.64, "text": " And he like, either he was implicit or he like completely fell for it." }, { "start": 3290.64, "end": 3293.92, "text": " So like he fell in love with somebody over Twitter." }, { "start": 3293.92, "end": 3296.7599999999998, "text": " The version of this where he's innocent is he fell in love with someone over Twitter" }, { "start": 3296.7599999999998, "end": 3298.08, "text": " who was dying of leukemia." }, { "start": 3298.08, "end": 3303.44, "text": " No, the version of this is that, uh, no, the version of this where he's innocent is" }, { "start": 3303.44, "end": 3306.12, "text": " somebody created a fake person." }, { "start": 3306.12, "end": 3307.12, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3307.12, "end": 3308.12, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3308.12, "end": 3309.12, "text": " He fell in love with the fake person over Twitter." }, { "start": 3309.12, "end": 3311.48, "text": " The fake person who when the first time they were supposed to meet mysteriously got into" }, { "start": 3311.48, "end": 3312.48, "text": " a car accident." }, { "start": 3312.48, "end": 3313.48, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3313.48, "end": 3318.2000000000003, "text": " Uh, and then, uh, towards the end, uh, contracted leukemia and died right before this game." }, { "start": 3318.2000000000003, "end": 3319.2000000000003, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3319.2000000000003, "end": 3320.2000000000003, "text": " But this, none of these things happen." }, { "start": 3320.2000000000003, "end": 3321.2000000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3321.2000000000003, "end": 3322.2000000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3322.2000000000003, "end": 3323.2000000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3323.2000000000003, "end": 3324.2000000000003, "text": " It's horrible just to say, but they did not happen." }, { "start": 3324.2000000000003, "end": 3325.2000000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3325.2000000000003, "end": 3328.08, "text": " So the thing is that if he was dead, and to give credit where credit is due, this came" }, { "start": 3328.08, "end": 3329.88, "text": " out on dead spin yesterday." }, { "start": 3329.88, "end": 3332.2000000000003, "text": " A tremendously reported piece." }, { "start": 3332.2, "end": 3333.56, "text": " Uh, they dove into it." }, { "start": 3333.56, "end": 3335.52, "text": " They looked for her birth." }, { "start": 3335.52, "end": 3336.52, "text": " Her name was Lenny." }, { "start": 3336.52, "end": 3337.52, "text": " Uh, something." }, { "start": 3337.52, "end": 3341.56, "text": " It's L N L E N N A Y." }, { "start": 3341.56, "end": 3344.6, "text": " And every time I read it, it just, it's Lenny Kikua." }, { "start": 3344.6, "end": 3349, "text": " Um, uh, I mean, they, they looked for her birth certificate." }, { "start": 3349, "end": 3350, "text": " They looked for birth announcements." }, { "start": 3350, "end": 3351, "text": " They looked for a death certificate." }, { "start": 3351, "end": 3353, "text": " They looked at the social security administration." }, { "start": 3353, "end": 3354.06, "text": " They thought stories." }, { "start": 3354.06, "end": 3355.96, "text": " They met at Stanford after a game." }, { "start": 3355.96, "end": 3360.64, "text": " There's like a long piece in like, uh, the Notre Dame student newspaper, I think, or" }, { "start": 3360.64, "end": 3364.68, "text": " the South Bend journal, like the local about how they, they, the quote like stuck in my" }, { "start": 3364.68, "end": 3367.16, "text": " mind cause it's like, how do you invent this if it didn't happen?" }, { "start": 3367.16, "end": 3369.68, "text": " Their stares got pleasantly tangled after a game at Stanford." }, { "start": 3369.68, "end": 3372.08, "text": " It's like it never happened cause she's not real." }, { "start": 3372.08, "end": 3374.68, "text": " There are other players that also claim she exists too." }, { "start": 3374.68, "end": 3376.7599999999998, "text": " Other random players claim that she exists." }, { "start": 3376.7599999999998, "end": 3380.68, "text": " His dad was like quoting in before this all came out." }, { "start": 3380.68, "end": 3384.48, "text": " Dead spin like has this whole timeline, this lengthy timeline of their relationship." }, { "start": 3384.48, "end": 3386.72, "text": " It was reported by like a hundred media outlets." }, { "start": 3386.72, "end": 3387.72, "text": " This is amazing." }, { "start": 3387.72, "end": 3388.72, "text": " But she didn't exist." }, { "start": 3388.72, "end": 3389.72, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3389.72, "end": 3390.72, "text": " This is incredible." }, { "start": 3390.72, "end": 3396.64, "text": " I really, like, I do not want to think it's his cousin, this guy, like two years to Sopo." }, { "start": 3396.64, "end": 3397.9199999999996, "text": " I don't, I can't pronounce his first name." }, { "start": 3397.9199999999996, "end": 3398.9199999999996, "text": " It was last." }, { "start": 3398.9199999999996, "end": 3399.9199999999996, "text": " Who's pranking him?" }, { "start": 3399.9199999999996, "end": 3401.3599999999997, "text": " They, or, or there was codes." }, { "start": 3401.3599999999997, "end": 3402.3599999999997, "text": " I mean, okay." }, { "start": 3402.3599999999997, "end": 3406.56, "text": " If it was, if they were like inclusion, like there were so many like little intricate details," }, { "start": 3406.56, "end": 3408.2799999999997, "text": " what does he get out of this?" }, { "start": 3408.2799999999997, "end": 3412.7999999999997, "text": " Like what is his motive to make up a girlfriend and like draw to this all for months and months" }, { "start": 3412.7999999999997, "end": 3416.04, "text": " on end and then have her die just to sell a Heisman story." }, { "start": 3416.04, "end": 3417.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3417.04, "end": 3418.04, "text": " It's the Heisman story." }, { "start": 3418.04, "end": 3420, "text": " And that to me is like, whatever, like, yeah." }, { "start": 3420, "end": 3422.08, "text": " What about the grandma stuff?" }, { "start": 3422.08, "end": 3423.08, "text": " That's true." }, { "start": 3423.08, "end": 3424.08, "text": " That's true." }, { "start": 3424.08, "end": 3425.08, "text": " She did also tragic." }, { "start": 3425.08, "end": 3427.04, "text": " Oh, but like, it's just funny cause it was true." }, { "start": 3427.04, "end": 3430.16, "text": " Well, the grant sadly the grandmother part was very true." }, { "start": 3430.16, "end": 3433.2, "text": " Um, but it's, it's the, all the stuff about the girl, but the thing is like this only" }, { "start": 3433.2, "end": 3435.36, "text": " happens because of the internet." }, { "start": 3435.36, "end": 3437.92, "text": " Like, and that's like, that's the flip side of this other story where she's like all this" }, { "start": 3437.92, "end": 3439.56, "text": " tragic stuff we don't know how to deal with." }, { "start": 3439.56, "end": 3441.36, "text": " And then all this stupid nonsense." }, { "start": 3441.36, "end": 3443.56, "text": " And it's like the media never even like looked at it." }, { "start": 3443.56, "end": 3446.4, "text": " Like they saw that she had a Twitter account that was like kind of active and they're like," }, { "start": 3446.4, "end": 3447.4, "text": " yep, she must be real." }, { "start": 3447.4, "end": 3449.12, "text": " And like, that's it." }, { "start": 3449.12, "end": 3451.76, "text": " But it's actually like a dude." }, { "start": 3451.76, "end": 3452.76, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 3452.76, "end": 3454.6, "text": " I hear a pizza commercial." }, { "start": 3454.6, "end": 3455.6, "text": " Do journal or delivery." }, { "start": 3455.6, "end": 3457.52, "text": " Literally listening to a pizza commercial in my head." }, { "start": 3457.52, "end": 3458.52, "text": " Sorry." }, { "start": 3458.52, "end": 3461.2400000000002, "text": " Now are you guys watching pizza commercials in there?" }, { "start": 3461.2400000000002, "end": 3462.2400000000002, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 3462.2400000000002, "end": 3463.2400000000002, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 3463.2400000000002, "end": 3466.2400000000002, "text": " I just got one of these." }, { "start": 3466.2400000000002, "end": 3467.2400000000002, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3467.2400000000002, "end": 3469.76, "text": " So there's really not much more to say about this." }, { "start": 3469.76, "end": 3470.76, "text": " It's tragic." }, { "start": 3470.76, "end": 3471.76, "text": " It never would have happened years ago." }, { "start": 3471.76, "end": 3472.76, "text": " Although it's tragic." }, { "start": 3472.76, "end": 3473.76, "text": " I think it's stupid." }, { "start": 3473.76, "end": 3477.36, "text": " I mean, look, I, how is this a tragic and define in which way is it?" }, { "start": 3477.36, "end": 3478.36, "text": " Is this a tragedy?" }, { "start": 3478.36, "end": 3482, "text": " If he was not complicit in this, then he's stupid." }, { "start": 3482, "end": 3483, "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "start": 3483, "end": 3484, "text": " I feel bad for the guy." }, { "start": 3484, "end": 3485, "text": " I've had long distance girlfriends before." }, { "start": 3485, "end": 3486, "text": " I know you have." }, { "start": 3486, "end": 3487, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 3487, "end": 3488, "text": " You're, I'm, you're just a long distance kind of bro." }, { "start": 3488, "end": 3490.6, "text": " I feel like you would do best with a long distance relationship." }, { "start": 3490.6, "end": 3494.08, "text": " I don't think I've had a long distance, but I'm saying, I think if you had to pick one" }, { "start": 3494.08, "end": 3495.6400000000003, "text": " type, I think you would pick long distance." }, { "start": 3495.6400000000003, "end": 3497.56, "text": " No, I'm kind of scared of that." }, { "start": 3497.56, "end": 3500.44, "text": " Like you'd pick short distance, medium range relationship." }, { "start": 3500.44, "end": 3505.96, "text": " No, I've had a long distance relationship and there's no way." }, { "start": 3505.96, "end": 3509.12, "text": " I'm sorry, and I've known college football players." }, { "start": 3509.12, "end": 3511.7200000000003, "text": " This is the part where I definitely side with you." }, { "start": 3511.7200000000003, "end": 3514.52, "text": " He's not asking for more information." }, { "start": 3514.52, "end": 3515.52, "text": " If you understand what I'm saying." }, { "start": 3515.52, "end": 3516.52, "text": " And what do you mean by more information, Kelly?" }, { "start": 3516.52, "end": 3519.52, "text": " I think every, in this age of Snapchat, I, I." }, { "start": 3519.52, "end": 3521.56, "text": " This is where the doctored photos come in." }, { "start": 3521.56, "end": 3522.56, "text": " I disagree." }, { "start": 3522.56, "end": 3523.56, "text": " I completely disagree." }, { "start": 3523.56, "end": 3524.56, "text": " Doctored photos." }, { "start": 3524.56, "end": 3525.56, "text": " There's no way that he didn't know." }, { "start": 3525.56, "end": 3526.56, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 3526.56, "end": 3530.32, "text": " I've had, I'm just saying, I've had long distance relationships before and there's just no way" }, { "start": 3530.32, "end": 3531.32, "text": " that these stories about." }, { "start": 3531.32, "end": 3532.32, "text": " He's a busy guy." }, { "start": 3532.32, "end": 3535.92, "text": " I used to go to sleep and I'm like, I would wake up and my call had run for eight hours" }, { "start": 3535.92, "end": 3537.4, "text": " and I could still hear her breathing." }, { "start": 3537.4, "end": 3539.56, "text": " That that shit's not true, man." }, { "start": 3539.56, "end": 3540.56, "text": " I was 16." }, { "start": 3540.56, "end": 3541.56, "text": " I used to try to do that too." }, { "start": 3541.56, "end": 3542.56, "text": " And you know what happened?" }, { "start": 3542.56, "end": 3544.6, "text": " My call hung up because I was just doing nothing on the phone." }, { "start": 3544.6, "end": 3545.6, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3545.6, "end": 3546.6, "text": " But I mean, there's also, there's convenient lies." }, { "start": 3546.6, "end": 3550, "text": " Like I like that I have something of this and then like, I don't know." }, { "start": 3550, "end": 3551, "text": " I feel, I feel." }, { "start": 3551, "end": 3552, "text": " There's no part of this in the tragedy." }, { "start": 3552, "end": 3555.96, "text": " I blame it on testosterone and the want to like want to believe in this lie." }, { "start": 3555.96, "end": 3556.96, "text": " Like I disagree." }, { "start": 3556.96, "end": 3557.96, "text": " I, I, whatever." }, { "start": 3557.96, "end": 3559.2000000000003, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 3559.2000000000003, "end": 3560.44, "text": " That's my feeling on this." }, { "start": 3560.44, "end": 3561.44, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3561.44, "end": 3565.82, "text": " So, but I'm just saying like that is, this is a story that only exists because we, we" }, { "start": 3565.82, "end": 3570.1400000000003, "text": " allow what I would like things that happen online to feel this real." }, { "start": 3570.1400000000003, "end": 3575, "text": " What I'd like to believe is that there's more pranksters out there than we think." }, { "start": 3575, "end": 3577.76, "text": " And a lot more of our friends are fake." }, { "start": 3577.76, "end": 3582.56, "text": " So this is a movie and a show it's called catfish like this scenario." }, { "start": 3582.56, "end": 3586.7200000000003, "text": " And when I said this, uh, Russell and Tim wrote the report for us yesterday." }, { "start": 3586.7200000000003, "end": 3593.1600000000003, "text": " I've heard catfish being dropped as like a, um, now or like a verb, like a general." }, { "start": 3593.1600000000003, "end": 3594.1600000000003, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3594.1600000000003, "end": 3595.1600000000003, "text": " No." }, { "start": 3595.16, "end": 3596.16, "text": " I mean, I think Tim should write this up." }, { "start": 3596.16, "end": 3599.92, "text": " He literally, his response to me was, well, catfishing is real." }, { "start": 3599.92, "end": 3603.44, "text": " Like everybody, like to him, it was like, Oh, this happens all the time, which makes" }, { "start": 3603.44, "end": 3606.68, "text": " you worry about Russell." }, { "start": 3606.68, "end": 3608.48, "text": " Maybe Russell is a catfish." }, { "start": 3608.48, "end": 3609.48, "text": " Probably he's right." }, { "start": 3609.48, "end": 3610.48, "text": " Catfishing me right now." }, { "start": 3610.48, "end": 3611.48, "text": " I've got some real babes." }, { "start": 3611.48, "end": 3616.04, "text": " No, I'm just hoping that I have a friend who is not real." }, { "start": 3616.04, "end": 3617.04, "text": " I think that's fun." }, { "start": 3617.04, "end": 3618.04, "text": " That's exciting." }, { "start": 3618.04, "end": 3619.72, "text": " That keeps things spicy." }, { "start": 3619.72, "end": 3621.2799999999997, "text": " It keeps things spicy." }, { "start": 3621.2799999999997, "end": 3622.2799999999997, "text": " You know?" }, { "start": 3622.28, "end": 3626.2000000000003, "text": " Unless you're looking for a Heisman trophy and you should probably keep it straight." }, { "start": 3626.2000000000003, "end": 3627.2000000000003, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3627.2000000000003, "end": 3628.2000000000003, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 3628.2000000000003, "end": 3629.2000000000003, "text": " I'll do it." }, { "start": 3629.2000000000003, "end": 3630.2000000000003, "text": " I will make up a friend for you, Paul." }, { "start": 3630.2000000000003, "end": 3631.2000000000003, "text": " And to be clear, he did not get the Heisman." }, { "start": 3631.2000000000003, "end": 3632.2000000000003, "text": " So." }, { "start": 3632.2000000000003, "end": 3633.2000000000003, "text": " And he lost Alabama." }, { "start": 3633.2000000000003, "end": 3634.2000000000003, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3634.2000000000003, "end": 3635.2000000000003, "text": " And lost so hard." }, { "start": 3635.2000000000003, "end": 3639.88, "text": " I mean, that was a good game story." }, { "start": 3639.88, "end": 3642, "text": " And it's funny that, uh, where was I reading it today?" }, { "start": 3642, "end": 3643, "text": " I think it was on Aspination." }, { "start": 3643, "end": 3644.76, "text": " Aspination has a headline up." }, { "start": 3644.76, "end": 3646.6400000000003, "text": " That's why do we care about this story?" }, { "start": 3646.6400000000003, "end": 3649, "text": " And the lead is like, everybody cares about the story." }, { "start": 3649, "end": 3651.52, "text": " There's like an angle for everybody into the story." }, { "start": 3651.52, "end": 3655.92, "text": " And there's, there's usually like, no matter what the big mainstream media story, there's" }, { "start": 3655.92, "end": 3657.84, "text": " always some sort of backlash against it." }, { "start": 3657.84, "end": 3659.32, "text": " There's no backlash against the story." }, { "start": 3659.32, "end": 3661.92, "text": " It's always like, it's just, everybody wants a piece of it." }, { "start": 3661.92, "end": 3665.2, "text": " It's just so bizarre." }, { "start": 3665.2, "end": 3666.72, "text": " Like I can't even like wrap my head." }, { "start": 3666.72, "end": 3668.28, "text": " Like why someone would do this so." }, { "start": 3668.28, "end": 3669.7599999999998, "text": " And why he would have a fake girlfriend." }, { "start": 3669.7599999999998, "end": 3672.52, "text": " I mean like imagine you're his friend and he's like, I've got a girlfriend that I've" }, { "start": 3672.52, "end": 3674.96, "text": " never met, but I love her on Twitter." }, { "start": 3674.96, "end": 3676.2, "text": " There's just no way." }, { "start": 3676.2, "end": 3677.74, "text": " Well, her name, her name is Vancouver." }, { "start": 3677.74, "end": 3678.74, "text": " She lives in Alberta." }, { "start": 3678.74, "end": 3679.74, "text": " Sorry." }, { "start": 3679.74, "end": 3680.74, "text": " You're done." }, { "start": 3680.74, "end": 3681.74, "text": " I'm done." }, { "start": 3681.74, "end": 3683.2799999999997, "text": " Beautiful girl in the Niagara falls area." }, { "start": 3683.2799999999997, "end": 3684.2799999999997, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3684.2799999999997, "end": 3689.56, "text": " I met her on summer break and we, we did stuff." }, { "start": 3689.56, "end": 3690.56, "text": " You did." }, { "start": 3690.56, "end": 3691.56, "text": " Tweeted it." }, { "start": 3691.56, "end": 3692.56, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3692.56, "end": 3694.56, "text": " We should end this before I say sexo." }, { "start": 3694.56, "end": 3697.8799999999997, "text": " And on that note everybody." }, { "start": 3697.8799999999997, "end": 3699.4399999999996, "text": " That's my new sexy nickname." }, { "start": 3699.4399999999996, "end": 3700.8799999999997, "text": " Eli and I were working on it." }, { "start": 3700.8799999999997, "end": 3701.8799999999997, "text": " It's called sexo." }, { "start": 3701.8799999999997, "end": 3702.8799999999997, "text": " We're workshopping it." }, { "start": 3702.8799999999997, "end": 3703.8799999999997, "text": " Oh man, you're real sexo." }, { "start": 3703.8799999999997, "end": 3704.8799999999997, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 3704.8799999999997, "end": 3705.8799999999997, "text": " So if you want to be my imaginary friend." }, { "start": 3705.8799999999997, "end": 3706.8799999999997, "text": " Sexo." }, { "start": 3706.8799999999997, "end": 3707.8799999999997, "text": " You can be my imaginary friend." }, { "start": 3707.88, "end": 3711.76, "text": " You can be my imaginary friend." }, { "start": 3711.76, "end": 3712.76, "text": " We should really end this." }, { "start": 3712.76, "end": 3714.48, "text": " Let's see if I can remember everything." }, { "start": 3714.48, "end": 3715.48, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3715.48, "end": 3716.48, "text": " So that's the verge cast." }, { "start": 3716.48, "end": 3717.48, "text": " Everyone that's number one." }, { "start": 3717.48, "end": 3718.48, "text": " We should turn off the lights." }, { "start": 3718.48, "end": 3719.48, "text": " Where is Josh today?" }, { "start": 3719.48, "end": 3721.28, "text": " Josh is sick." }, { "start": 3721.28, "end": 3722.28, "text": " And girl scout cookies." }, { "start": 3722.28, "end": 3723.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3723.28, "end": 3724.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3724.28, "end": 3725.28, "text": " Paul was late to the verge cast today." }, { "start": 3725.28, "end": 3726.28, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 3726.28, "end": 3730.48, "text": " I bumped the verge cast from four to four 30 because he was assisting a girl scout." }, { "start": 3730.48, "end": 3731.48, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3731.48, "end": 3737.1600000000003, "text": " I was walking girl scouts across the street and then helping them sell cookies at the" }, { "start": 3737.16, "end": 3738.16, "text": " office." }, { "start": 3738.16, "end": 3739.16, "text": " How'd you do?" }, { "start": 3739.16, "end": 3740.16, "text": " How'd they do?" }, { "start": 3740.16, "end": 3741.16, "text": " Oh, I think we did really well." }, { "start": 3741.16, "end": 3742.16, "text": " Do you buy me some Samoas?" }, { "start": 3742.16, "end": 3747.7, "text": " I think the girl scout organization is going to continue to be solvent for another year." }, { "start": 3747.7, "end": 3748.7, "text": " What is the best cookie though?" }, { "start": 3748.7, "end": 3749.7, "text": " What did you get?" }, { "start": 3749.7, "end": 3751.48, "text": " I got some coconut ones." }, { "start": 3751.48, "end": 3752.8799999999997, "text": " I think they changed the name." }, { "start": 3752.8799999999997, "end": 3753.8799999999997, "text": " There's a Samoa." }, { "start": 3753.8799999999997, "end": 3754.8799999999997, "text": " There's a Samoa." }, { "start": 3754.8799999999997, "end": 3757, "text": " But I think they didn't change the name to caramel delights." }, { "start": 3757, "end": 3758, "text": " This is not verge cast material." }, { "start": 3758, "end": 3759, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 3759, "end": 3761.8399999999997, "text": " This is absolutely verge cast material." }, { "start": 3761.8399999999997, "end": 3764.7599999999998, "text": " They sold me cookies over the phone." }, { "start": 3764.7599999999998, "end": 3766.8799999999997, "text": " And so I got coconut and something else." }, { "start": 3766.88, "end": 3770.7200000000003, "text": " And then they came into the office and they sold everybody lots of cookies." }, { "start": 3770.7200000000003, "end": 3771.7200000000003, "text": " That's good." }, { "start": 3771.7200000000003, "end": 3774.08, "text": " So we're going to have a lot of girl scout cookies at the office." }, { "start": 3774.08, "end": 3775.08, "text": " I should have bought some pretty soon." }, { "start": 3775.08, "end": 3776.08, "text": " All right, so let's go to the list." }, { "start": 3776.08, "end": 3777.08, "text": " So this is the verge cast." }, { "start": 3777.08, "end": 3778.08, "text": " This is the verge cast." }, { "start": 3778.08, "end": 3779.76, "text": " Thank you for watching us." }, { "start": 3779.76, "end": 3781.1600000000003, "text": " Thank you for experiencing this with me." }, { "start": 3781.1600000000003, "end": 3782.28, "text": " I give you another one for that." }, { "start": 3782.28, "end": 3783.28, "text": " So sexo." }, { "start": 3783.28, "end": 3784.28, "text": " I'll give you sexo." }, { "start": 3784.28, "end": 3785.28, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 3785.28, "end": 3786.28, "text": " Paul is going to be hit, man." }, { "start": 3786.28, "end": 3787.28, "text": " Paul is going to be hit." }, { "start": 3787.28, "end": 3788.28, "text": " This is a whole new look for me." }, { "start": 3788.28, "end": 3789.28, "text": " Sexo." }, { "start": 3789.28, "end": 3790.28, "text": " All right, so sexo." }, { "start": 3790.28, "end": 3791.28, "text": " I think I'm going to be a sexo." }, { "start": 3791.28, "end": 3792.28, "text": " I'm going to be a sexo." }, { "start": 3792.28, "end": 3793.28, "text": " I'm going to be a sexo." }, { "start": 3793.28, "end": 3794.28, "text": " I'm going to be a sexo." }, { "start": 3794.28, "end": 3797.8, "text": " That was it." }, { "start": 3797.8, "end": 3801.5600000000004, "text": " There's many ways to contact us and complain about what you just witnessed." }, { "start": 3801.5600000000004, "end": 3805.0600000000004, "text": " You can send us an email, podcast at the verge.com." }, { "start": 3805.0600000000004, "end": 3808.82, "text": " You can leave a comment on the post, which is I think preferred." }, { "start": 3808.82, "end": 3811, "text": " You can call us somehow." }, { "start": 3811, "end": 3812, "text": " Can they leave us a voicemail?" }, { "start": 3812, "end": 3813, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 3813, "end": 3814, "text": " They cannot call us." }, { "start": 3814, "end": 3815, "text": " But you can call them." }, { "start": 3815, "end": 3818, "text": " Eli's home phone is here." }, { "start": 3818, "end": 3819.84, "text": " Please." }, { "start": 3819.84, "end": 3821.1600000000003, "text": " You can hit us on Twitter." }, { "start": 3821.1600000000003, "end": 3822.1600000000003, "text": " I'm reckless." }, { "start": 3822.1600000000003, "end": 3823.1600000000003, "text": " I'm on a Roscoe." }, { "start": 3823.1600000000003, "end": 3824.1600000000003, "text": " I'm sexo." }, { "start": 3824.16, "end": 3825.16, "text": " Paul is sexo." }, { "start": 3825.16, "end": 3826.16, "text": " At sexo." }, { "start": 3826.16, "end": 3827.16, "text": " Can we get at sexo for Paul?" }, { "start": 3827.16, "end": 3828.16, "text": " I'm going to find out who has at sexo right now." }, { "start": 3828.16, "end": 3829.16, "text": " Josh, if you miss him, is at Josh Rotopolsky." }, { "start": 3829.16, "end": 3830.16, "text": " Verge is at Verge." }, { "start": 3830.16, "end": 3831.16, "text": " Paul, what's your PO box?" }, { "start": 3831.16, "end": 3832.16, "text": " PO box 501, New York, New York 10276." }, { "start": 3832.16, "end": 3833.16, "text": " What I would really like someone to do, how many days do you have left before you come" }, { "start": 3833.16, "end": 3834.16, "text": " back?" }, { "start": 3834.16, "end": 3835.16, "text": " It's about three months." }, { "start": 3835.16, "end": 3836.16, "text": " Three months?" }, { "start": 3836.16, "end": 3852, "text": " I'd really like somebody to figure out the number of days and mail Paul a card that counts" }, { "start": 3852, "end": 3853, "text": " down every day." }, { "start": 3853, "end": 3854, "text": " Oh my gosh." }, { "start": 3854, "end": 3855, "text": " I'm going to send you a mail like you know." }, { "start": 3855, "end": 3858.28, "text": " You're assuming the post service will actually get there on time at the very day you ask" }, { "start": 3858.28, "end": 3859.28, "text": " it to." }, { "start": 3859.28, "end": 3860.28, "text": " I mean, if you just start." }, { "start": 3860.28, "end": 3861.28, "text": " The post service is surprisingly reliable." }, { "start": 3861.28, "end": 3866.48, "text": " You know, if you mail a letter to somebody in the city, they get it the next day." }, { "start": 3866.48, "end": 3867.48, "text": " I'm just saying." }, { "start": 3867.48, "end": 3868.48, "text": " By the way, guys." }, { "start": 3868.48, "end": 3869.48, "text": " This is your task." }, { "start": 3869.48, "end": 3870.48, "text": " And how much does it cost to send a letter?" }, { "start": 3870.48, "end": 3871.48, "text": " Don't waste your time." }, { "start": 3871.48, "end": 3872.52, "text": " Do this thing for me." }, { "start": 3872.52, "end": 3878.8, "text": " But if you want to be my imaginary friend, please send me a letter." }, { "start": 3878.8, "end": 3880.48, "text": " By the way, guys, sexo already exists." }, { "start": 3880.48, "end": 3882.48, "text": " It has almost 7,000 followers." }, { "start": 3882.48, "end": 3883.48, "text": " Shoot." }, { "start": 3883.48, "end": 3890.44, "text": " It has one tweet from January 2010 that says, where lowercase w e apostrophe re." }, { "start": 3890.44, "end": 3891.44, "text": " That is it." }, { "start": 3891.44, "end": 3893, "text": " That is the extent of sexo." }, { "start": 3893, "end": 3894, "text": " You're going down." }, { "start": 3894, "end": 3895, "text": " It's 7,000 followers." }, { "start": 3895, "end": 3896, "text": " Why wouldn't you?" }, { "start": 3896, "end": 3899.88, "text": " If you were on the tweets, you know, and you're like, hey, it's that sexo." }, { "start": 3899.88, "end": 3900.88, "text": " I'm following sexo now." }, { "start": 3900.88, "end": 3901.88, "text": " I'm happy." }, { "start": 3901.88, "end": 3902.88, "text": " Why wouldn't you?" }, { "start": 3902.88, "end": 3903.88, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 3903.88, "end": 3904.88, "text": " That's the Vergecast, everybody." }, { "start": 3904.88, "end": 3907.2400000000002, "text": " Thank you for watching whatever this was." }, { "start": 3907.2400000000002, "end": 3908.2400000000002, "text": " Thank you to Chris." }, { "start": 3908.2400000000002, "end": 3909.2400000000002, "text": " I don't know if you're still here." }, { "start": 3909.2400000000002, "end": 3910.2400000000002, "text": " Chris?" }, { "start": 3910.2400000000002, "end": 3911.8, "text": " Chris is at Z Power, by the way." }, { "start": 3911.8, "end": 3912.8, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3912.8, "end": 3913.8, "text": " He's gone." }, { "start": 3913.8, "end": 3914.8, "text": " He's on the train." }, { "start": 3914.8, "end": 3915.8, "text": " Rock and roll." }, { "start": 3915.8, "end": 3916.8, "text": " Paul." }, { "start": 3916.8, "end": 3917.8, "text": " Paul." }, { "start": 3917.8, "end": 3942.8, "text": " Paul." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 2.5, "text": " It's Friday, January 18th, 2013." }, { "start": 2.5, "end": 6.68, "text": " I'm David Pierce, part of the stealthy internet oligarchy that rides into battle on a pop-tart" }, { "start": 6.68, "end": 8.76, "text": " cat hybrid that poops rainbows." }, { "start": 8.76, "end": 10.88, "text": " This is 90 Seconds on the Verge, presented by Ford." }, { "start": 10.88, "end": 14.64, "text": " The TSA is pulling the plug on so-called naked x-ray scanners." }, { "start": 14.64, "end": 18.22, "text": " Manufacturer OSI Systems couldn't guarantee privacy, which is to say it couldn't promise" }, { "start": 18.22, "end": 20.240000000000002, "text": " less revealing passenger images." }, { "start": 20.240000000000002, "end": 24, "text": " The TSA has already begun to remove backscatter scanners from airports, opting to replace" }, { "start": 24, "end": 28.16, "text": " them with the less awkward millimeter wave scanners beginning late last year." }, { "start": 28.16, "end": 32.56, "text": " Speaking of lasers, the Mona Lisa has taken a ride from the Earth to the Moon." }, { "start": 32.56, "end": 36.36, "text": " NASA has just completed a successful test of long-distance laser communication by beaming" }, { "start": 36.36, "end": 41.2, "text": " Da Vinci's masterpiece from Maryland to the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter some 240,000 miles" }, { "start": 41.2, "end": 42.2, "text": " away." }, { "start": 42.2, "end": 45.8, "text": " At 300 bits per second, it wasn't exactly the fastest transmission, but hey, give them" }, { "start": 45.8, "end": 46.8, "text": " some credit for the distance." }, { "start": 46.8, "end": 48.8, "text": " It went to the frickin' moon." }, { "start": 48.8, "end": 51.480000000000004, "text": " And up next, spider gifts on Mars." }, { "start": 51.480000000000004, "end": 53.760000000000005, "text": " And finally, our Field of Dreams moment of the week." }, { "start": 53.760000000000005, "end": 56.2, "text": " Apparently if you build it, they will come." }, { "start": 56.2, "end": 61.32, "text": " FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski today issued the so-called Gigabit City Challenge." }, { "start": 61.32, "end": 65.64, "text": " In a nutshell, he wants to see all 50 states have at least one community with gigabit internet" }, { "start": 65.64, "end": 67.12, "text": " speeds by 2015." }, { "start": 67.12, "end": 72.32000000000001, "text": " Overall, the FCC said that there are 42 communities across 14 states that already have access" }, { "start": 72.32000000000001, "end": 75.72, "text": " to high-speed fiber-based internet, so the challenge is off to a good start." }, { "start": 75.72, "end": 79.76, "text": " It all feels a little like me saying, let's end world hunger in the next half hour, but" }, { "start": 79.76, "end": 82.36, "text": " you know, we're rooting for the FCC on this one." }, { "start": 82.36, "end": 84.12, "text": " And that's it for today's top stories." }, { "start": 84.12, "end": 87.68, "text": " Coming up tomorrow, we'll take an in-depth look at the locksmith that will help you recover" }, { "start": 87.68, "end": 114.76, "text": " your Google password ring." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 7, "text": " It's Thursday, January 17th, 2013. I'm Ross Miller, and those who say trying is what counts are lying to protect your feelings." }, { "start": 7, "end": 9.4, "text": " This is 90 Seconds on the Verge, presented by Ford." }, { "start": 9.4, "end": 15.4, "text": " The Federal Aviation Administration has announced that all Boeing 787s in the U.S. are to be grounded," }, { "start": 15.4, "end": 19, "text": " pursuing an investigation into recent lithium-ion battery failures." }, { "start": 19, "end": 26.5, "text": " Just this week, a 787 had to make an emergency landing after a fire started on the aircraft and sent smoke into the cabin." }, { "start": 26.5, "end": 33, "text": " The 787 fleet will remain grounded until operators can prove to the FAA that those batteries will not cause any future fires." }, { "start": 33, "end": 36.5, "text": " The world continues to mourn Aaron Swartz's tragic suicide." }, { "start": 36.5, "end": 43.5, "text": " U.S. Attorney Carmen Ortiz has acknowledged that Swartz was not likely downloading JSTOR's archives for personal financial gain." }, { "start": 43.5, "end": 51, "text": " Ortiz does however dispute claims that her office ever pursued the maximum penalties against the hacker-slash-open-access advocate." }, { "start": 51, "end": 53.5, "text": " Our hearts go out to all those involved." }, { "start": 53.5, "end": 58, "text": " Now for the story of Manti Tao, which can only play out, of course, on Twitter." }, { "start": 58, "end": 63.5, "text": " Deadspin revealed this week that the Notre Dame linebacker's doomed love was in fact a hoax." }, { "start": 63.5, "end": 72, "text": " The girl, so-called Lene Kikua, had a Twitter account, a stockpile of photos, and a pretty convincing story, but none of it was real." }, { "start": 72, "end": 74.5, "text": " This story is the stuff that Heisman dreams are made of." }, { "start": 74.5, "end": 79.5, "text": " Then again, all the fake girlfriends in the world can't overcome a crushing defeat by Alabama." }, { "start": 79.5, "end": 81.5, "text": " And that's it for today's top stories." }, { "start": 81.5, "end": 84, "text": " Coming up tomorrow, it was one of the hottest years on record." }, { "start": 84, "end": 86, "text": " Find out how fashion is adapting." }, { "start": 86, "end": 115.5, "text": " You won't believe how stylish Global Warming can be." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 5, "text": " This is Sam Sheffer with The Verge, and this is the Zboard." }, { "start": 5, "end": 10, "text": " So this is the Zboard." }, { "start": 19, "end": 23, "text": " As you can see, it is an electric skateboard." }, { "start": 23, "end": 28, "text": " It's got a big battery down here, allows you to go top speed at 17 miles an hour." }, { "start": 28, "end": 31, "text": " It literally is just a skateboard with an electric motor on it." }, { "start": 31, "end": 37, "text": " And these sensor pads, you just sort of lean on them and you take off." }, { "start": 37, "end": 52, "text": " Let's see what happens when I crank it up." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 3.16, "text": " It's Wednesday, January 16th, 2013." }, { "start": 3.16, "end": 5.5200000000000005, "text": " I'm Trey Bandrette, and last night I beat your high score" }, { "start": 5.5200000000000005, "end": 9.040000000000001, "text": " at Galaga while my kids built an IMAX theater in Minecraft." }, { "start": 9.040000000000001, "end": 10.24, "text": " For the creepers, of course." }, { "start": 10.24, "end": 12.8, "text": " This is 90 Seconds on the Verge, presented by Ford." }, { "start": 12.8, "end": 14.76, "text": " President Barack Obama has asked sinners" }, { "start": 14.76, "end": 17.52, "text": " for disease control to investigate any possible link" }, { "start": 17.52, "end": 19.66, "text": " between violent media and shootings." }, { "start": 19.66, "end": 22.44, "text": " It's all part of a number of expansive gun control policies" }, { "start": 22.44, "end": 24.6, "text": " the president formally proposed today" }, { "start": 24.6, "end": 27.76, "text": " in the wake of recent high profile shooting incidents." }, { "start": 27.76, "end": 29.8, "text": " Back in the 1990s, Congress stipulated" }, { "start": 29.8, "end": 32.88, "text": " that CDC money could not be used on research that" }, { "start": 32.88, "end": 35.32, "text": " promotes gun control, making this a particularly" }, { "start": 35.32, "end": 37.120000000000005, "text": " controversial decision." }, { "start": 37.120000000000005, "end": 39.96, "text": " Facebook is rolling out free calling for all iPhone users" }, { "start": 39.96, "end": 41.120000000000005, "text": " in the US." }, { "start": 41.120000000000005, "end": 42.72, "text": " The new feature should be available soon" }, { "start": 42.72, "end": 44.24, "text": " via the Facebook Messenger app." }, { "start": 44.24, "end": 46.68, "text": " It will not require an update through the app store." }, { "start": 46.68, "end": 49.16, "text": " The free calls work over both data and Wi-Fi." }, { "start": 49.16, "end": 51.6, "text": " There's no video option, no Android version, and nothing" }, { "start": 51.6, "end": 52.8, "text": " on the Facebook website." }, { "start": 52.8, "end": 54.64, "text": " But hey, it's only a matter of time." }, { "start": 54.64, "end": 56.32, "text": " Finally, the spirit of American ingenuity" }, { "start": 56.32, "end": 59, "text": " is alive, but it's being outsourced to China." }, { "start": 59, "end": 62.44, "text": " According to BBC, one entrepreneurial US-based software" }, { "start": 62.44, "end": 65.16, "text": " engineer has been paying a fifth of his six figure salary" }, { "start": 65.16, "end": 68, "text": " to a local firm in Shenyang to do his job while he" }, { "start": 68, "end": 69.56, "text": " brows Reddit all day." }, { "start": 69.56, "end": 71.48, "text": " It's a story foretold pretty accurately" }, { "start": 71.48, "end": 73.84, "text": " by a 2009 video from The Onion." }, { "start": 73.84, "end": 76.2, "text": " Ultimately, it was an outside investigation by Verizon" }, { "start": 76.2, "end": 78, "text": " that uncovered the arrangement." }, { "start": 78, "end": 79.92, "text": " Better luck next time, chief." }, { "start": 79.92, "end": 81.48, "text": " And that's it for today's top stories." }, { "start": 81.48, "end": 83.36, "text": " Coming up tomorrow, the future of comments" }, { "start": 83.36, "end": 86.32, "text": " isn't just editable, it's edible." }, { "start": 86.32, "end": 89.27999999999999, "text": " You won't believe the taste of troll." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 7, "text": " Hello. Welcome to the Verge Mobile Show where we have a hard time knowing when we start." }, { "start": 13.44, "end": 20.04, "text": " This is episode 33, it's the week of January 14, 2012. We have a skeletal crew, we're missing" }, { "start": 20.04, "end": 24.38, "text": " Chris Ziegler, but our other three anchors are here and I feel really good about that." }, { "start": 24.38, "end": 28.12, "text": " If you don't know who we are, we'll introduce ourselves because that's how we do. I am Dieter" }, { "start": 28.12, "end": 35.120000000000005, "text": " Bowen. I'm Vlad Savov. I'm Dan Seifert. We're back from CES. I'm still feeling it. I was" }, { "start": 37.480000000000004, "end": 43.36, "text": " really good and then I wasn't so good and that's where I'm at right now. I need to get" }, { "start": 43.36, "end": 49.3, "text": " good because I want to see my three-month-old, two-month-old, I have no idea how many-month-old" }, { "start": 49.3, "end": 54.32, "text": " niece this weekend. If I can't get healthy then I can't do it because she's too young" }, { "start": 54.32, "end": 59.4, "text": " to get immunized against anything. How are you guys feeling?" }, { "start": 59.4, "end": 66.4, "text": " I was feeling great up until like three hours ago when all of a sudden I just got hit with" }, { "start": 67.64, "end": 72.16, "text": " this congestion and kind of a sore throat going on. I was actually making fun of the" }, { "start": 72.16, "end": 75.84, "text": " rest of our team who happened to be pretty much laid out with a flu." }, { "start": 75.84, "end": 79.96000000000001, "text": " Everybody is sick. Chris Ziegler is sick. He's still working because he's a madman," }, { "start": 79.96, "end": 86.96, "text": " and he literally, if we had him on the show, it would be coughing and phlegm." }, { "start": 86.96, "end": 93.96, "text": " He'll probably infect people just over the broadcast. He's that bad. Me, on the other" }, { "start": 93.96, "end": 100.96, "text": " hand, I've actually been a very good and punctual human being and I haven't done the whole post-CES" }, { "start": 102.08, "end": 109.08, "text": " staying out until 6 a.m. and then catching a flight at 6.30 a.m. In order to get that" }, { "start": 109.08, "end": 116.08, "text": " I mean the thing is it's cause and effect, right? People do crazy things and then they" }, { "start": 116.08, "end": 117.48, "text": " complain when their bodies can't take them." }, { "start": 117.48, "end": 122.86, "text": " I only went out one night and I got plenty of sleep afterwards and I feel like I was" }, { "start": 122.86, "end": 126.2, "text": " a very responsible person at CES." }, { "start": 126.2, "end": 130.32, "text": " As was I. Most of the time that I was losing sleep at CES is because I was working, not" }, { "start": 130.32, "end": 134.4, "text": " partying. I went out once." }, { "start": 134.4, "end": 141.4, "text": " I think we're all very responsible, but that doesn't change the fact that we're all kind" }, { "start": 141.8, "end": 145.56, "text": " of under the weather at the moment. But at the same time, Dito described our crew as" }, { "start": 145.56, "end": 150.28, "text": " being skeletal. Our topics of conversation are actually pretty skeletal too. There hasn't" }, { "start": 150.28, "end": 152.28, "text": " been that much going on post-CES." }, { "start": 152.28, "end": 158.76, "text": " No, there really hasn't. But we've got a few things to discuss, but I can't promise" }, { "start": 158.76, "end": 161.56, "text": " that we're going to be here for an hour and a half. In fact, I promise you that we won't" }, { "start": 161.56, "end": 164.56, "text": " be here for an hour and a half." }, { "start": 164.56, "end": 171.56, "text": " We can bring this out. That just sounded like the challenge going for me." }, { "start": 173.48, "end": 178.48000000000002, "text": " Did you guys know that I worked my way through college at a place called 33 Minute Photo?" }, { "start": 178.48000000000002, "end": 181.64000000000001, "text": " We developed photos in 33 minutes or less." }, { "start": 181.64000000000001, "end": 182.24, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 182.24, "end": 185.56, "text": " That's where I learned how to color correct. I got pretty good at it." }, { "start": 185.56, "end": 190.24, "text": " When I was in college, we stuck to the one hour limit on our photo developing." }, { "start": 190.24, "end": 197.24, "text": " Oh man, got to do it fast when you're working at the Lunds grocery store. You can't screw" }, { "start": 197.28, "end": 198.08, "text": " around." }, { "start": 198.08, "end": 205.08, "text": " Seriously, mobile things. What's happened since we had our get together?" }, { "start": 207.60000000000002, "end": 211.72, "text": " I guess let's talk about RIM and Blackberry 10 for a while. The announcement is coming" }, { "start": 211.72, "end": 214.32000000000002, "text": " up on the 30th." }, { "start": 214.32000000000002, "end": 217.84, "text": " Just got two weeks." }, { "start": 217.84, "end": 223.12, "text": " Every single thing has leaked. I don't know what they have left in the hopper. I talked" }, { "start": 223.12, "end": 224.92000000000002, "text": " to them at CES." }, { "start": 224.92000000000002, "end": 226.36, "text": " Price and release date." }, { "start": 226.36, "end": 231.44, "text": " Price and release date and a couple of surprises probably. I'm still guessing it's going to" }, { "start": 231.44, "end": 238.44, "text": " be related to how they're showing video and movie purchases and music purchases. One of" }, { "start": 239.36, "end": 246.36, "text": " the many, many, many things that leaked was a training manual, I think, for Rogers employees" }, { "start": 246.36, "end": 251.60000000000002, "text": " that looked like it was produced by RIM. It said there that they're definitely going" }, { "start": 251.60000000000002, "end": 255.72000000000003, "text": " to be selling music and movies. I think it said they're targeting 70,000 apps for launch," }, { "start": 255.72000000000003, "end": 259.64, "text": " which is a pretty respectable number." }, { "start": 259.64, "end": 264.12, "text": " There was one bit in the slide that was crazy hilarious. I don't think we posted on it because" }, { "start": 264.12, "end": 271.12, "text": " everything in there we already knew. It was something like, I got to find it now. Do you" }, { "start": 271.2, "end": 272.2, "text": " remember what it was?" }, { "start": 272.2, "end": 273.2, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 273.2, "end": 279.36, "text": " Facebook and RIM. Facebook and Google. I got to find it. While other platforms like Facebook" }, { "start": 279.36, "end": 283.32, "text": " and Google are harvesting information about you and what you're doing online, we have" }, { "start": 283.32, "end": 290.32, "text": " built a platform that protects what's important to you. Wow. That's hard, man. It's all related" }, { "start": 291.8, "end": 298.36, "text": " to their security and blah, blah, blah, blah. That's a big hit Android right there." }, { "start": 298.36, "end": 305.36, "text": " To be honest, that actually sounds almost exactly to the word the same as what the Chinese" }, { "start": 305.36, "end": 312.36, "text": " government is saying about personal data. It's a case of if you get online, whether" }, { "start": 312.52000000000004, "end": 319.52000000000004, "text": " mobile or on a desktop, you need to disclose your real identity to your ISP. Then the Chinese" }, { "start": 319.52, "end": 326.52, "text": " government will protect that identity for you. To me, this whole phrasing of RIM will" }, { "start": 329.47999999999996, "end": 335.47999999999996, "text": " protect your information. The most protective thing RIM can do is not to collect my information." }, { "start": 335.47999999999996, "end": 339.56, "text": " Leave it the hell alone. Then I'm fine." }, { "start": 339.56, "end": 343.91999999999996, "text": " The way that they're doing email is direct over IMAP. We know that it's going to support" }, { "start": 343.92, "end": 350.92, "text": " CalDAV and CardDAV directly for talking to Google. Unless you sign up for BBM and you" }, { "start": 351.12, "end": 354.12, "text": " sign up for the BlackBerry account for MoteWipe, that was the other thing. It's definitely" }, { "start": 354.12, "end": 357.88, "text": " going to support remote wipe. You saw that in the manual. I suppose you don't have to" }, { "start": 357.88, "end": 362, "text": " give your information to RIM to use a BlackBerry 10 device." }, { "start": 362, "end": 368.88, "text": " Then yeah, that is great. That is protecting my information. It's not being too nosy." }, { "start": 368.88, "end": 375.88, "text": " We saw the Z10 leak. Again, there's a 10 or 12 minute walkthrough of everything on the" }, { "start": 375.92, "end": 382.92, "text": " phone. It's stuff we've seen. It's the hub. It's everything. I don't know what's left." }, { "start": 386.96, "end": 392.96, "text": " Everything is leaked. Everything. It looks fine. It looks fast. I'm excited to try it." }, { "start": 392.96, "end": 395.12, "text": " I know I'm the only one." }, { "start": 395.12, "end": 400.92, "text": " No, no, no. I'm excited to play with it at least." }, { "start": 400.92, "end": 407.92, "text": " I hope that they can get some Android apps legitimately into the BlackBerry app world." }, { "start": 407.92, "end": 412.8, "text": " If you don't know what my legitimately joke was, there was a... Adam, do we talk about" }, { "start": 412.8, "end": 416.56, "text": " this? There was a drama where Android developers were seeing their apps show up in BlackBerry" }, { "start": 416.56, "end": 421.72, "text": " app world. In a couple of cases, it was because somebody had actually pirated it and then" }, { "start": 421.72, "end": 426.72, "text": " submitted it and was trying to make money off of selling it. I talked to a group of" }, { "start": 426.72, "end": 430.44000000000005, "text": " people at CES and they were like, look, this is a very, very tiny problem. Of course, we" }, { "start": 430.44000000000005, "end": 434.08000000000004, "text": " have to try and stop this stuff. If something gets through, we kill it right away. I don't" }, { "start": 434.08000000000004, "end": 435.08000000000004, "text": " think it's a huge drama." }, { "start": 435.08000000000004, "end": 439.6, "text": " They did point out one interesting thing, which was a lot of Android developers, they" }, { "start": 439.6, "end": 443.40000000000003, "text": " make their app but they don't necessarily distribute it. They let some other company" }, { "start": 443.40000000000003, "end": 448.20000000000005, "text": " sort of handle that. Submitting it to the market, submitting it to marketers and other" }, { "start": 448.2, "end": 452.2, "text": " things. Sometimes those third party distributors end up submitting it to app world and the" }, { "start": 452.2, "end": 457.03999999999996, "text": " developers don't know about it. That stuff gets pulled too." }, { "start": 457.03999999999996, "end": 463.48, "text": " I'm really interested to see just how well these Android apps work on BlackBerry 10." }, { "start": 463.48, "end": 470.59999999999997, "text": " If it works really well, I could force a situation where I would want to somehow hack it so even" }, { "start": 470.59999999999997, "end": 474.76, "text": " if it's not in the BlackBerry app world, I would still find a way to grab it off of Android" }, { "start": 474.76, "end": 480.32, "text": " and stick it on there, stick it on a BlackBerry, which isn't, I suppose, technically, you know..." }, { "start": 480.32, "end": 481.32, "text": " Legal?" }, { "start": 481.32, "end": 483.32, "text": " On the up and up, we'll say." }, { "start": 483.32, "end": 487.52, "text": " Right. But it would be an easy way to solve the app problem if in fact they have an app" }, { "start": 487.52, "end": 488.52, "text": " problem." }, { "start": 488.52, "end": 492.52, "text": " Oh, they do. Everybody has an app problem." }, { "start": 492.52, "end": 496.03999999999996, "text": " Well, everybody but Apple." }, { "start": 496.03999999999996, "end": 497.03999999999996, "text": " Even Apple." }, { "start": 497.03999999999996, "end": 498.03999999999996, "text": " Even Apple." }, { "start": 498.03999999999996, "end": 499.03999999999996, "text": " Two and a half states, Google." }, { "start": 499.03999999999996, "end": 500.03999999999996, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 500.03999999999996, "end": 502.56, "text": " No, Apple's app problem, I mean, I mentioned this in last week's podcast, to me is a really" }, { "start": 502.56, "end": 506.76, "text": " big one, which is that it's wholly dependent on third party developers." }, { "start": 506.76, "end": 507.76, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 507.76, "end": 512.96, "text": " None of those guys are going to run away. I mean, nobody's going to abandon a big revenue" }, { "start": 512.96, "end": 519.04, "text": " source such as iOS, but it's still the case that... Like, I've just been using Nexus 7" }, { "start": 519.04, "end": 523.56, "text": " that you so kindly handed off to me, Dieter, and I look at the first applications that" }, { "start": 523.56, "end": 528.48, "text": " are put on my home screen. Google owns every single one of them. Chrome, Gmail, Play Store," }, { "start": 528.48, "end": 529.48, "text": " YouTube, right?" }, { "start": 529.48, "end": 530.48, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 530.48, "end": 535.52, "text": " That's the first few apps that I stuck on the home screen. If I go and look at an iOS" }, { "start": 535.52, "end": 541.28, "text": " device, as nice as they are, as nice as the iPad, the iPad Mini, the iPhone are, the first" }, { "start": 541.28, "end": 545.28, "text": " thing I do with the first part of the application is stick them in a folder and then stick that" }, { "start": 545.28, "end": 548.32, "text": " folder on a separate home screen so it's not in my face." }, { "start": 548.32, "end": 551.9200000000001, "text": " Yeah, it's funny that you mentioned that on Android, Google owns the main apps that you" }, { "start": 551.9200000000001, "end": 557.08, "text": " use because for me on iOS, Google owns like 90% of the main apps that I use." }, { "start": 557.08, "end": 561.36, "text": " Right, so it's the same situation. I'm still using Chrome, I'm still using Google Maps" }, { "start": 561.36, "end": 566.84, "text": " on iOS. So in terms of the future, I actually think Google and Android is the most secure" }, { "start": 566.84, "end": 574.5200000000001, "text": " platform on the app front, which at the moment is the most important thing with devices." }, { "start": 574.5200000000001, "end": 581.0400000000001, "text": " So I mean, Remus is really, really like a bully on having enough apps. I asked him," }, { "start": 581.0400000000001, "end": 584.2, "text": " you know, do you have the apps you need for a successful launch? And it wasn't like, yeah," }, { "start": 584.2, "end": 589.48, "text": " it was like, yes, we do. Everyone's saying that." }, { "start": 589.48, "end": 593.08, "text": " It wasn't just like we think so or we hope so or we've got a good plan or anything, it" }, { "start": 593.08, "end": 597.08, "text": " was yes. Well, I mean, Microsoft actually recorded" }, { "start": 597.08, "end": 601.32, "text": " having this conversation with them just before the launch of Windows Phone 7 some two and" }, { "start": 601.32, "end": 605.24, "text": " a half years ago, however long it's been. And they were like, you know what, everybody" }, { "start": 605.24, "end": 609.76, "text": " keeps talking about numbers of apps. What we're going to do is we're going to improve" }, { "start": 609.76, "end": 615.04, "text": " discoverability and we're going to focus on quality of apps. So honestly, it's just marketing" }, { "start": 615.04, "end": 620.56, "text": " talk. Until you get a device out, until you actually give people apps that they want to" }, { "start": 620.56, "end": 626.02, "text": " use, and they don't need to be the big brand name ones, they just need to be good ones." }, { "start": 626.02, "end": 629.24, "text": " If they're unique, if they're ones that you don't already have on Android and iOS, that's" }, { "start": 629.24, "end": 631.12, "text": " even better. That makes it interesting." }, { "start": 631.12, "end": 635.06, "text": " Well, I don't know. I feel like, you know, a lot of times, especially people that are" }, { "start": 635.06, "end": 639.72, "text": " going to be running out and buying, say, a BlackBerry 10 within its first month of release." }, { "start": 639.72, "end": 643.48, "text": " Running out, lining up, are people that are going to be already owning smartphones, are" }, { "start": 643.48, "end": 646.48, "text": " you going to have apps that they're using, services that they're using?" }, { "start": 646.48, "end": 649.44, "text": " Well, smartphones or BlackBerries." }, { "start": 649.44, "end": 654.76, "text": " Or BlackBerries, yeah. Well, hopefully, RIM hopes that people who are using iOS devices" }, { "start": 654.76, "end": 658.84, "text": " and Android devices, et cetera, are going to be interested in buying a BlackBerry 10" }, { "start": 658.84, "end": 662.94, "text": " platform. And if, you know, you get there and say there's no Dropbox app or say there's" }, { "start": 662.94, "end": 666.5600000000001, "text": " no way that I can control my Google Voice account or there's no..." }, { "start": 666.56, "end": 671.2399999999999, "text": " There is a Dropbox app. That was one of the, I think, the video leak, the video 10 leak." }, { "start": 671.2399999999999, "end": 676.7399999999999, "text": " So we have Dropbox, cool. So, I mean, but if those apps aren't there, then it's a problem." }, { "start": 676.7399999999999, "end": 681.4399999999999, "text": " And even if there's like an alternative version, if you're already bought into a system and," }, { "start": 681.4399999999999, "end": 685.92, "text": " say, you own storage or you're paying for cloud storage, you can't access it through" }, { "start": 685.92, "end": 691.3599999999999, "text": " a third-party knockoff app or it's because the official app isn't there, then it's kind" }, { "start": 691.3599999999999, "end": 695.0799999999999, "text": " of a disappointment. And, you know, we're seeing the same thing on Windows Phone. There's" }, { "start": 695.08, "end": 699.6, "text": " a third-party apps. For a long time, there's a third-party Dropbox app that you had to" }, { "start": 699.6, "end": 704.64, "text": " pay for and it offered like a crappier experience than you get on the other platforms. And so" }, { "start": 704.64, "end": 708.9200000000001, "text": " it's just like kind of just a crappy experience all around if those, you know, core apps or" }, { "start": 708.9200000000001, "end": 710.84, "text": " key apps aren't there available for you." }, { "start": 710.84, "end": 715.4000000000001, "text": " By the way, Dan, I love that kind of sending thumbs up when you heard that there's a Dropbox" }, { "start": 715.4000000000001, "end": 722.4000000000001, "text": " app for BlackBerry 10. It's like, yeah, good job. Now you need to do..." }, { "start": 722.4, "end": 729.4, "text": " Well, I mean, on the subject, it was just recently announced, slash, revealed that Room" }, { "start": 731.52, "end": 738.52, "text": " got 15,000 apps submitted with its Portathons. So it had a couple of Portathons, which is" }, { "start": 740.16, "end": 747.16, "text": " marathon coding sessions to port your apps, I'm guessing. It's just a cheesy, cheesy name." }, { "start": 747.16, "end": 748.92, "text": " But in any case, they've been..." }, { "start": 748.92, "end": 753.52, "text": " Well, I mean, that's actually, it's encouraging, but it's also, it's important for these developers" }, { "start": 753.52, "end": 758.52, "text": " to get in at App Launch. I remember, I mean, watching Windows Phone launch and even watching" }, { "start": 758.52, "end": 764.0799999999999, "text": " WebOS launch, there's a real chance for somebody that hasn't been able to get traction on another" }, { "start": 764.0799999999999, "end": 768.04, "text": " platform to suddenly get traction on a brand new platform because they're the only app" }, { "start": 768.04, "end": 772.68, "text": " that does X or Y and people are looking for it and they just happen to find it. So it" }, { "start": 772.68, "end": 776.8399999999999, "text": " makes a lot of sense to be there for that initial wave, whether or not it matters in" }, { "start": 776.84, "end": 781.08, "text": " six months and that's a whole other story. But it makes sense." }, { "start": 781.08, "end": 788.08, "text": " But Room incentivizes as well. I think there's $100 as a little bonus if your app is approved" }, { "start": 788.32, "end": 794.48, "text": " to get into the store and then, I forget exactly what the conditions are, but you can be entered" }, { "start": 794.48, "end": 798.52, "text": " into a drawer to get a BlackBerry 10 dev alpha device." }, { "start": 798.52, "end": 804.2, "text": " Well, and there's also the guarantee that if you get, sell a certain number of our apps," }, { "start": 804.2, "end": 809.6, "text": " but don't make a certain amount of money that they're going to guarantee you $10,000. I" }, { "start": 809.6, "end": 811.8000000000001, "text": " forget exactly what the terms are there." }, { "start": 811.8000000000001, "end": 816.6, "text": " You have to make $1,000 with your app, but if you don't make like $10,000, then they'll" }, { "start": 816.6, "end": 819.6400000000001, "text": " give you the rest or something like that, if I remember correctly." }, { "start": 819.6400000000001, "end": 822.88, "text": " Guys, that guarantee was issued something like six, eight months ago." }, { "start": 822.88, "end": 825.36, "text": " Even longer, yeah, that's ancient." }, { "start": 825.36, "end": 830, "text": " I never said it was new, man." }, { "start": 830, "end": 834.56, "text": " The point is Room is just going to be like, guarantee, we don't have archives that stretch" }, { "start": 834.56, "end": 837, "text": " that part back. Forget about it." }, { "start": 837, "end": 844, "text": " But also, let's actually look at these numbers. I actually find them kind of stupid, frankly," }, { "start": 844.4, "end": 850.08, "text": " because the really serious and committed app developers, are they really going to be tempted" }, { "start": 850.08, "end": 852.8, "text": " by a $100 incentive?" }, { "start": 852.8, "end": 858.32, "text": " And then if their app is moderately successful, getting entered into a drawer to get a dev" }, { "start": 858.32, "end": 863.2, "text": " alpha device, it's kind of like you just rub your shoulders." }, { "start": 863.2, "end": 868.48, "text": " And it also reminds me of what Microsoft recently did around the Windows Phone 8 launch where" }, { "start": 868.48, "end": 874.2800000000001, "text": " they lowered the entry-level price to sign up for a dev account." }, { "start": 874.2800000000001, "end": 879.88, "text": " Microsoft's problem wasn't getting 16-year-old teenage boys from India to put together apps." }, { "start": 879.88, "end": 883.72, "text": " That's exactly what has been happening." }, { "start": 883.72, "end": 889.1600000000001, "text": " Look at it this way, honestly, what else can Room be doing to support developers to get" }, { "start": 889.1600000000001, "end": 889.76, "text": " stuff?" }, { "start": 889.76, "end": 891.32, "text": " We're assuming they're doing all the biz dev talks." }, { "start": 891.32, "end": 894, "text": " They said, we're talking to everybody we can." }, { "start": 894, "end": 895.9200000000001, "text": " With PowerPoint presentations, I'm sure." }, { "start": 895.9200000000001, "end": 897.84, "text": " If it's a technical problem, we'll fix that." }, { "start": 897.84, "end": 901, "text": " And if it's a business problem, we'll fix that." }, { "start": 901, "end": 902.84, "text": " So they're doing what they can for the big-name stuff." }, { "start": 902.84, "end": 905.6800000000001, "text": " They're doing what they can for the little guys." }, { "start": 905.6800000000001, "end": 909.44, "text": " The only other thing that I can think of that they need to do is launch the damn phones." }, { "start": 909.44, "end": 910.24, "text": " And sell devices." }, { "start": 910.24, "end": 910.44, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 910.44, "end": 915.2800000000001, "text": " And it's like a chicken and egg problem because if they don't have the apps, the odds of selling" }, { "start": 915.2800000000001, "end": 916.8800000000001, "text": " the devices are much lower." }, { "start": 916.8800000000001, "end": 922.8800000000001, "text": " And if they don't sell the devices, the interest in developers is much lower." }, { "start": 922.8800000000001, "end": 925.6400000000001, "text": " But really, it just needs to be, you've got to get these devices in people's hands." }, { "start": 925.6400000000001, "end": 927.2800000000001, "text": " People have got to be like, I want this app." }, { "start": 927.2800000000001, "end": 927.8000000000001, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 927.8000000000001, "end": 929.6, "text": " I'll pay for this if it's here." }, { "start": 929.6, "end": 934, "text": " One thing that actually surprised me is the big four carriers in the US, Verizon, AT&T," }, { "start": 934, "end": 937.5200000000001, "text": " T-Mobile, and Sprint, have all said, yeah, we're going to carry BlackBerry 10." }, { "start": 937.52, "end": 941.76, "text": " And I expected one of them to sort of sit back, kind of." }, { "start": 941.76, "end": 944.72, "text": " But I mean, RIM's got long histories with all of these carriers, obviously." }, { "start": 944.72, "end": 946.28, "text": " And we know it's going to be on everything in Canada." }, { "start": 946.28, "end": 949.1999999999999, "text": " We know it's going to be a worldwide launch." }, { "start": 949.1999999999999, "end": 959.16, "text": " So I know people are tired of the webOS comparison, but they appear to have solved a couple of" }, { "start": 959.16, "end": 960.04, "text": " those problems." }, { "start": 960.04, "end": 961.4, "text": " It's faster." }, { "start": 961.4, "end": 963.28, "text": " And it's going to be on all the carriers." }, { "start": 963.28, "end": 966.1999999999999, "text": " They're not going to have to wait and be stuck in an exclusive with somebody, hopefully," }, { "start": 966.2, "end": 968.48, "text": " for very long." }, { "start": 968.48, "end": 978.2, "text": " So insofar as we've seen somebody try to take on the Android iOS duopoly, we saw Windows" }, { "start": 978.2, "end": 980.84, "text": " Phone take a crack at it a couple of times now." }, { "start": 980.84, "end": 985.5200000000001, "text": " And for various reasons, it hasn't had a huge impact." }, { "start": 985.5200000000001, "end": 989.36, "text": " And I'm sure that our Windows Phone-loving readers are going to be sending me emails." }, { "start": 989.36, "end": 990.6800000000001, "text": " Hi, guys." }, { "start": 990.6800000000001, "end": 991.88, "text": " But it's true." }, { "start": 991.88, "end": 994.1600000000001, "text": " And I don't know that BlackBerry 10 is either." }, { "start": 994.16, "end": 1000, "text": " But it seems like they've managed to avoid the biggest and most obvious pitfalls." }, { "start": 1000, "end": 1005.1999999999999, "text": " We'll see what the app situation is really like on the 30th." }, { "start": 1005.1999999999999, "end": 1012.3199999999999, "text": " But in terms of possibility of setting themselves up to have a successful launch, they're doing" }, { "start": 1012.3199999999999, "end": 1014.52, "text": " most of the obvious things." }, { "start": 1014.52, "end": 1015.92, "text": " The question is, will it be enough?" }, { "start": 1015.92, "end": 1017.64, "text": " And I just don't know." }, { "start": 1017.64, "end": 1021.88, "text": " It's just what Bez mentioned here with respect to the US carriers." }, { "start": 1021.88, "end": 1026.16, "text": " This is something that Lesyan tweeted on Twitter." }, { "start": 1026.16, "end": 1028.68, "text": " Lesyan being a character." }, { "start": 1028.68, "end": 1035.44, "text": " As opposed to tweeting on Google Plus or tweeting on Facebook social graph." }, { "start": 1035.44, "end": 1040.08, "text": " We need to talk about that graph search, which is just bonkers to me." }, { "start": 1040.08, "end": 1043.84, "text": " But this is a very good point." }, { "start": 1043.84, "end": 1047.16, "text": " RIM is essentially being used as a dummy." }, { "start": 1047.16, "end": 1050.4, "text": " RIM is desperate to do exactly what you are saying." }, { "start": 1050.4, "end": 1054.0400000000002, "text": " It's ubiquitously available." }, { "start": 1054.0400000000002, "end": 1059.5600000000002, "text": " So I'm sure RIM is bending a knee in negotiations with Verizon and everybody else." }, { "start": 1059.5600000000002, "end": 1065.44, "text": " But all the carriers are using it as a dummy third option, quotation marks, a fourth option," }, { "start": 1065.44, "end": 1067.6000000000001, "text": " guess whatever, to iOS and Android." }, { "start": 1067.6000000000001, "end": 1073.6000000000001, "text": " So that when they go to talk to Samsung, when they go to talk to Apple about the next device," }, { "start": 1073.6000000000001, "end": 1075.2800000000002, "text": " they can say, well, you know what?" }, { "start": 1075.2800000000002, "end": 1077.16, "text": " RIM is coming out with these devices." }, { "start": 1077.16, "end": 1082.1200000000001, "text": " So I think that's the major stimulus for all the carriers to carry BlackBerry 10." }, { "start": 1082.1200000000001, "end": 1084.96, "text": " Just because they need that extra option." }, { "start": 1084.96, "end": 1087.1200000000001, "text": " Like you're saying, Dieter, Windows Phone has been tepid." }, { "start": 1087.1200000000001, "end": 1088.1200000000001, "text": " It hasn't taken off." }, { "start": 1088.1200000000001, "end": 1092.26, "text": " It hasn't been a legitimate competitor to the big two." }, { "start": 1092.26, 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they can get whatever little sweet kickbacks and sweetheart deals and extra" }, { "start": 1132.08, "end": 1134.4399999999998, "text": " apps on the phone or whatever from RIM." }, { "start": 1134.44, "end": 1136.6000000000001, "text": " And they know they're not going to get it off of the iPhone." }, { "start": 1136.6000000000001, "end": 1143.44, "text": " Yeah, but I mean, how much does that really affect their bottom line?" }, { "start": 1143.44, "end": 1147.3200000000002, "text": " I think what does affect their bottom line is the amount of subsidies that they have" }, { "start": 1147.3200000000002, "end": 1148.3200000000002, "text": " to pay on each phone." }, { "start": 1148.3200000000002, "end": 1154.06, "text": " The iPhone is definitely the highest subsidized device on any carrier's lineup." }, { "start": 1154.06, "end": 1159.76, "text": " So if a carrier is able to push another device that they don't have to shell out $450 for" }, { "start": 1159.76, "end": 1167.2, "text": " 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1230.48, "text": " be selling BlackBerry 7 and 7.1." }, { "start": 1230.48, "end": 1234.48, "text": " Like, it just launched, what was that thing it just launched on T-Mobile a week ago or" }, { "start": 1234.48, "end": 1240.48, "text": " two just before CES with 7.1 on it." }, { "start": 1240.48, "end": 1243.32, "text": " And that was going to be the entry level." }, { "start": 1243.32, "end": 1248.56, "text": " But now with different price points, maybe RIM is intending to bring BlackBerry 10 down" }, { "start": 1248.56, "end": 1251.8, "text": " market a lot sooner than we had expected." }, { "start": 1251.8, "end": 1256.24, "text": " So again, that's another point in its favor as far as getting it out there as much as" }, { "start": 1256.24, "end": 1257.24, "text": " possible." }, { "start": 1257.24, "end": 1261.12, "text": " Just like being on all the carriers or all the main carriers in the US, getting it across" }, { "start": 1261.12, "end": 1262.48, "text": " multiple price 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dire, dire situation." }, { "start": 1300.16, "end": 1306.48, "text": " I mean, I can't help but feel that what we have right now, the situation we're all facing" }, { "start": 1306.48, "end": 1313.88, "text": " right now is basically a situation that us tech journalists face when we get a bag of" }, { "start": 1313.88, "end": 1316.0400000000002, "text": " swag, right?" }, { "start": 1316.0400000000002, "end": 1318.76, "text": " So you don't want it." }, { "start": 1318.76, "end": 1322.16, "text": " You're not even allowed to take it because it's swag, right?" }, { "start": 1322.16, "end": 1325.4, "text": " But the thing is, at the same time, you're curious." }, { "start": 1325.4, "end": 1330.8000000000002, "text": " You want to know what these people put together to try and seduce you into writing good things" }, { "start": 1330.8000000000002, "end": 1331.8000000000002, "text": " about them." }, { "start": 1331.8000000000002, "end": 1335.44, "text": " So it's like curiosity is the overwhelming thing." }, { "start": 1335.44, "end": 1340.6000000000001, "text": " You want to see, and then ultimately, just like a bag of swag, you're horribly, horribly" }, { "start": 1340.6000000000001, "end": 1342.5600000000002, "text": " disappointed by it." }, { "start": 1342.5600000000002, "end": 1348.24, "text": " And it's exactly what you expected, even though your eternal optimism kept you going and made" }, { "start": 1348.24, "end": 1349.88, "text": " you open the bag." }, { "start": 1349.88, "end": 1354.3200000000002, "text": " And then what you do is you take that bag of swag from somebody like Samsung, you walk" }, { "start": 1354.32, "end": 1360, "text": " over a few booths, and then hand it over to somebody like Fujifilm." }, { "start": 1360, "end": 1364.52, "text": " I'm cracking up because Vlad and I were walking around the floor the last day of CES, and" }, { "start": 1364.52, "end": 1367.24, "text": " Vlad did exactly that." }, { "start": 1367.24, "end": 1372.6, "text": " So this is not such a hypothetical." }, { "start": 1372.6, "end": 1379.48, "text": " Yeah, I mean, Samsung have, okay, first of all, credit to Samsung for having a dedicated" }, { "start": 1379.48, "end": 1381.84, "text": " area for journalists and bloggers." }, { "start": 1381.84, "end": 1387.1999999999998, "text": " Like just giving people a place to sit down, have a reliable, fast connection, and have" }, { "start": 1387.1999999999998, "end": 1389.08, "text": " a drink is good." }, { "start": 1389.08, "end": 1392.48, "text": " They were serving this blue, hypnotic type of drink." }, { "start": 1392.48, "end": 1394.04, "text": " I couldn't find this lounge, by the way." }, { "start": 1394.04, "end": 1397, "text": " I was at Samsung's booth for like an hour and a half." }, { "start": 1397, "end": 1398, "text": " I walked right by Netflix." }, { "start": 1398, "end": 1400.12, "text": " It was right outside the Samsung Cube." }, { "start": 1400.12, "end": 1402.1599999999999, "text": " It was outside the Cube." }, { "start": 1402.1599999999999, "end": 1403.6399999999999, "text": " Oh, it was inside the Cube." }, { "start": 1403.6399999999999, "end": 1408.52, "text": " Yeah, it's like there's the Borg Cube that's painted white, and then outside of that was" }, { "start": 1408.52, "end": 1409.52, "text": " the journalists." }, { "start": 1409.52, "end": 1415.76, "text": " Let's actually discuss that a little bit because Samsung is really working hard to make itself" }, { "start": 1415.76, "end": 1420.04, "text": " stand out and to insulate itself from its competition." }, { "start": 1420.04, "end": 1422.28, "text": " The way it did that at CES was literally..." }, { "start": 1422.28, "end": 1424.32, "text": " By making itself stand out." }, { "start": 1424.32, "end": 1428.76, "text": " Yeah, well, Samsung has always had a big booth, at least for the past four years when I've" }, { "start": 1428.76, "end": 1429.76, "text": " been at CES." }, { "start": 1429.76, "end": 1430.76, "text": " It's always had a big booth." }, { "start": 1430.76, "end": 1436.08, "text": " It's always competed with LG for how much real estate it occupies, and Sony." }, { "start": 1436.08, "end": 1445, "text": " But this year, it actually built a Cube around this booth so that you couldn't make any mistake" }, { "start": 1445, "end": 1449.3999999999999, "text": " about when you're in Samsung's territory and when you're out of it." }, { "start": 1449.3999999999999, "end": 1455.6799999999998, "text": " Everybody else, you can kind of just walk through their booths and into somebody else's." }, { "start": 1455.6799999999998, "end": 1457.24, "text": " It's kind of communist in that respect." }, { "start": 1457.24, "end": 1458.76, "text": " There's no walls." }, { "start": 1458.76, "end": 1463.6999999999998, "text": " You can just walk through LG, stride straight into Panasonic, and then stumble into Sharp." }, { "start": 1463.6999999999998, "end": 1466, "text": " With Samsung, there's a big-ass Cube." }, { "start": 1466, "end": 1471.88, "text": " Humongous Cube, where the whole thing is contained, and it's all Samsung." }, { "start": 1471.88, "end": 1476.88, "text": " And not only that, but one of the entrances to the Cube had their giant 85-inch easel" }, { "start": 1476.88, "end": 1479.16, "text": " 4K TV." }, { "start": 1479.16, "end": 1483.24, "text": " And so not only could you only go in one way, there are two entrances." }, { "start": 1483.24, "end": 1487.48, "text": " One of the entrances was the entire show mobbed with people." }, { "start": 1487.48, "end": 1491.32, "text": " So you had to fight your way in and fight your way out." }, { "start": 1491.32, "end": 1492.32, "text": " It was crazy." }, { "start": 1492.32, "end": 1493.88, "text": " Which is exactly what Samsung wants." }, { "start": 1493.88, "end": 1497.0800000000002, "text": " It wants crowds, and it wants to crush people." }, { "start": 1497.0800000000002, "end": 1502.1200000000001, "text": " If there are deaths there, Samsung would be like, yes, achievement." }, { "start": 1502.1200000000001, "end": 1505.64, "text": " We have so many people coming that they can't even survive entry." }, { "start": 1505.64, "end": 1511.3200000000002, "text": " Internally, someone gets promoted while Samsung pushes out a PR saying they're very sorry" }, { "start": 1511.3200000000002, "end": 1512.3200000000002, "text": " for her." }, { "start": 1512.3200000000002, "end": 1513.88, "text": " Oh, that's so terrible." }, { "start": 1513.88, "end": 1514.88, "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "start": 1514.88, "end": 1519.3200000000002, "text": " You said, Vlad, you said you had something to say about Graph Search, Facebook's Graph" }, { "start": 1519.3200000000002, "end": 1520.3200000000002, "text": " Search." }, { "start": 1520.3200000000002, "end": 1521.3200000000002, "text": " I mean, I was there at the event." }, { "start": 1521.3200000000002, "end": 1522.3200000000002, "text": " I mean, it looks fine." }, { "start": 1522.3200000000002, "end": 1523.3200000000002, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 1523.32, "end": 1525.8, "text": " We've got a couple of reports up on it." }, { "start": 1525.8, "end": 1526.8799999999999, "text": " I think there's another one." }, { "start": 1526.8799999999999, "end": 1527.8799999999999, "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "start": 1527.8799999999999, "end": 1530, "text": " I couldn't be more bored by that." }, { "start": 1530, "end": 1534.12, "text": " I was so looking forward to something vaguely mobile related." }, { "start": 1534.12, "end": 1535.12, "text": " It wasn't a phone." }, { "start": 1535.12, "end": 1538.32, "text": " There was no phone, and there was no mobile product." }, { "start": 1538.32, "end": 1543.6, "text": " So even all the way at the whole event, not a single thing mobile was mentioned until" }, { "start": 1543.6, "end": 1546.8799999999999, "text": " the Q&A section when somebody got up and was like, when can I use this on my phone?" }, { "start": 1546.8799999999999, "end": 1549.96, "text": " And Zach was like, ah, we're working on it." }, { "start": 1549.96, "end": 1550.96, "text": " Eh." }, { "start": 1550.96, "end": 1553.56, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 1553.56, "end": 1554.56, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1554.56, "end": 1561.16, "text": " Well, thankfully I've had enough time to censor my question, which is, what the funk is this" }, { "start": 1561.16, "end": 1562.16, "text": " garbage?" }, { "start": 1562.16, "end": 1563.16, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 1563.16, "end": 1572.72, "text": " Like, Facebook has been such a data mining operation for such a long time, and now they're" }, { "start": 1572.72, "end": 1579.6000000000001, "text": " giving us a social search which is, in order for it to quote unquote work, we need to give" }, { "start": 1579.6, "end": 1581.7199999999998, "text": " Facebook even more data." }, { "start": 1581.7199999999998, "end": 1586, "text": " And we need to create, I mean, this is a stimulus to make us create even more connections and" }, { "start": 1586, "end": 1593.56, "text": " have even more, you know, barely acquaintances turned into quote unquote friends." }, { "start": 1593.56, "end": 1599.9199999999998, "text": " It's just, I mean, I see, listen, from Facebook's perspective, this graph search, it's a perfect" }, { "start": 1599.9199999999998, "end": 1600.9199999999998, "text": " idea." }, { "start": 1600.9199999999998, "end": 1601.9199999999998, "text": " It's perfect." }, { "start": 1601.9199999999998, "end": 1603.7199999999998, "text": " It's like a supermarket loyalty card." }, { "start": 1603.72, "end": 1610.54, "text": " Like, minimum expense for them, maximum ceiling in terms of obtaining even more stuff which" }, { "start": 1610.54, "end": 1612.84, "text": " is valuable for them." }, { "start": 1612.84, "end": 1614.84, "text": " What does this help me?" }, { "start": 1614.84, "end": 1616.6000000000001, "text": " I mean, it helps you." }, { "start": 1616.6000000000001, "end": 1617.84, "text": " The picture search is really great." }, { "start": 1617.84, "end": 1620.18, "text": " I mean, I look at it this way." }, { "start": 1620.18, "end": 1624.92, "text": " People are analyzing this through the same lens that people analyze the change in Instagram's" }, { "start": 1624.92, "end": 1625.92, "text": " terms of service." }, { "start": 1625.92, "end": 1628.2, "text": " And Neil made this point really well." }, { "start": 1628.2, "end": 1632.3600000000001, "text": " We fundamentally mistrust Facebook, and everything that Facebook does, we look at it through" }, { "start": 1632.36, "end": 1634.1999999999998, "text": " that lens of distrust." }, { "start": 1634.1999999999998, "end": 1637.9599999999998, "text": " If you can step back from that lens of distrust and be like, well, Facebook needs better search." }, { "start": 1637.9599999999998, "end": 1642.7199999999998, "text": " So if Facebook is going to build good search, what's the natural search for Facebook content" }, { "start": 1642.7199999999998, "end": 1645.3999999999999, "text": " that makes sense in the context of Facebook?" }, { "start": 1645.3999999999999, "end": 1648.24, "text": " And I think it's pretty close to what they built." }, { "start": 1648.24, "end": 1652.9799999999998, "text": " The interesting thing to me is, like, how influential is this kind of searching going" }, { "start": 1652.9799999999998, "end": 1653.9799999999998, "text": " to be in the future?" }, { "start": 1653.9799999999998, "end": 1658.08, "text": " I mean, you don't search for this kind of stuff on Google, right?" }, { "start": 1658.08, "end": 1660, "text": " You search for a different kind of thing on Google." }, { "start": 1660, "end": 1663.4, "text": " And you search for a different kind of thing on Facebook." }, { "start": 1663.4, "end": 1667.52, "text": " And so will those two worlds kind of collide at some point?" }, { "start": 1667.52, "end": 1671.94, "text": " Like Google did search plus your world and stuck Google plus stuff into its core search." }, { "start": 1671.94, "end": 1672.94, "text": " People got pissed." }, { "start": 1672.94, "end": 1675.76, "text": " Facebook is kind of like their Bing stuff is kind of like an add-on." }, { "start": 1675.76, "end": 1676.76, "text": " It's way at the bottom." }, { "start": 1676.76, "end": 1678.76, "text": " It's pretty terrible." }, { "start": 1678.76, "end": 1681.76, "text": " But neither one of them are colliding." }, { "start": 1681.76, "end": 1685.52, "text": " And so the big question for me is, like, it's fine that Facebook has added search." }, { "start": 1685.52, "end": 1687.12, "text": " And I hope it gets on mobile soon." }, { "start": 1687.12, "end": 1688.78, "text": " That's great." }, { "start": 1688.78, "end": 1694.8, "text": " But what happens in two years when, you know, the stuff that I want to search for is an" }, { "start": 1694.8, "end": 1703.92, "text": " amalgam of the stuff that's on Facebook and the stuff that Google can find?" }, { "start": 1703.92, "end": 1707.8799999999999, "text": " And for the audio podcast system, the theater just did a dance." }, { "start": 1707.8799999999999, "end": 1709.6, "text": " That was his amalgamation dance." }, { "start": 1709.6, "end": 1713.28, "text": " It's my I need to stay awake and I'm standing up amalgamation dance." }, { "start": 1713.28, "end": 1718.76, "text": " Well, I mean, I should caveat any impressions I have about it by the fact that I don't" }, { "start": 1718.76, "end": 1719.76, "text": " have it yet." }, { "start": 1719.76, "end": 1720.76, "text": " So I haven't used it." }, { "start": 1720.76, "end": 1723.16, "text": " And Dieter is I think the only one of the three of us that's actually used it." }, { "start": 1723.16, "end": 1724.16, "text": " So yeah." }, { "start": 1724.16, "end": 1725.16, "text": " Have you guys signed up?" }, { "start": 1725.16, "end": 1726.16, "text": " It's up on my account." }, { "start": 1726.16, "end": 1727.16, "text": " I signed up." }, { "start": 1727.16, "end": 1730.16, "text": " But I'm on the wait list." }, { "start": 1730.16, "end": 1732.48, "text": " I didn't get let into the cool kid party yet." }, { "start": 1732.48, "end": 1736.72, "text": " Yeah, no, I got I think I think they let people at the event get on the wait list early." }, { "start": 1736.72, "end": 1740.68, "text": " And so we went and shot a video, Ellis hamburger and I right away." }, { "start": 1740.68, "end": 1742.8799999999999, "text": " And the video was terrible because I was like I was tired." }, { "start": 1742.8799999999999, "end": 1743.8799999999999, "text": " I was shaky." }, { "start": 1743.8799999999999, "end": 1748.08, "text": " I forgot my little tent pole tripod, which I feel stupid about." }, { "start": 1748.08, "end": 1749.08, "text": " And so it was a terrible video." }, { "start": 1749.08, "end": 1750.84, "text": " And so I go back and I start cutting the video." }, { "start": 1750.84, "end": 1751.84, "text": " I'm like, this is really bad." }, { "start": 1751.84, "end": 1753.8799999999999, "text": " And then I checked and I had it." }, { "start": 1753.8799999999999, "end": 1757.9199999999998, "text": " And so I gave my Facebook credentials to Thomas Huston." }, { "start": 1757.9199999999998, "end": 1759.96, "text": " I was like, don't look at my junk." }, { "start": 1759.96, "end": 1760.96, "text": " Have fun." }, { "start": 1760.96, "end": 1763.56, "text": " Do a real hands on with a proper video producer." }, { "start": 1763.56, "end": 1764.56, "text": " And it worked out great." }, { "start": 1764.56, "end": 1765.56, "text": " He did a great job." }, { "start": 1765.56, "end": 1766.56, "text": " The video producers." }, { "start": 1766.56, "end": 1771.04, "text": " See, that's the kind of trust that Facebook wants." }, { "start": 1771.04, "end": 1776.6399999999999, "text": " The kind of trust you had in Thomas Huston not to totally destroy your Facebook world." }, { "start": 1776.6399999999999, "end": 1777.6399999999999, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1777.64, "end": 1778.64, "text": " That's something that he totally could have." }, { "start": 1778.64, "end": 1782.5200000000002, "text": " And the rest of my world too because my world is completely on Facebook." }, { "start": 1782.5200000000002, "end": 1784.3200000000002, "text": " That's the point." }, { "start": 1784.3200000000002, "end": 1791.0400000000002, "text": " I think Dan's point is very, at least a very important thing, which is that Facebook is" }, { "start": 1791.0400000000002, "end": 1797, "text": " increasingly being designed for people who use it in a really committed way." }, { "start": 1797, "end": 1800.68, "text": " Like me, for example, what I did recently was I just trimmed down my Facebook friend" }, { "start": 1800.68, "end": 1803.68, "text": " list to 18." }, { "start": 1803.68, "end": 1804.68, "text": " I've been trying to." }, { "start": 1804.68, "end": 1806.88, "text": " I try to trim down my Facebook friend list." }, { "start": 1806.88, "end": 1807.88, "text": " I go in." }, { "start": 1807.88, "end": 1810.44, "text": " I've got, because there was a while where I was adding everybody." }, { "start": 1810.44, "end": 1812.5200000000002, "text": " When I started at the first, I was like, oh yeah, sure." }, { "start": 1812.5200000000002, "end": 1813.5200000000002, "text": " Come on in." }, { "start": 1813.5200000000002, "end": 1815.44, "text": " I want to be able to talk to you guys." }, { "start": 1815.44, "end": 1817.68, "text": " But now I'm trying to trim it down." }, { "start": 1817.68, "end": 1821.2800000000002, "text": " I only managed to last about 15 minutes before I get tired of it because there's so much" }, { "start": 1821.2800000000002, "end": 1825.64, "text": " scrolling and waiting and clicking and waiting and checking and blah, blah, blah." }, { "start": 1825.64, "end": 1830.42, "text": " It's really hard to just like de-friend everybody or just quickly get rid of people." }, { "start": 1830.42, "end": 1831.5200000000002, "text": " There's lots of clicks." }, { "start": 1831.5200000000002, "end": 1832.5200000000002, "text": " It's super exciting." }, { "start": 1832.5200000000002, "end": 1834.5600000000002, "text": " That's my design, I'm sure." }, { "start": 1834.56, "end": 1841.2, "text": " Dude, everything about Facebook is really hard and frustrating." }, { "start": 1841.2, "end": 1846.84, "text": " Sometimes I post Verge stories to the Verge Facebook stream." }, { "start": 1846.84, "end": 1849.2, "text": " Today I will click post." }, { "start": 1849.2, "end": 1850.2, "text": " It will not show up." }, { "start": 1850.2, "end": 1852.36, "text": " It will seem like it's still loading." }, { "start": 1852.36, "end": 1854.3999999999999, "text": " But I will know it's posted." }, { "start": 1854.3999999999999, "end": 1859, "text": " If I go back to the Facebook page, it's there." }, { "start": 1859, "end": 1861.84, "text": " The whole interface is kind of busted." }, { "start": 1861.84, "end": 1864.72, "text": " I got to be honest with you." }, { "start": 1864.72, "end": 1872.8799999999999, "text": " I think our generation or our demographic has a version to Facebook that is not shared" }, { "start": 1872.8799999999999, "end": 1874.9199999999998, "text": " by the rest of the world." }, { "start": 1874.9199999999998, "end": 1877.08, "text": " People older and people younger." }, { "start": 1877.08, "end": 1881.6399999999999, "text": " I feel like we came on, it was early, it was hip, it was cool, it was way better than MySpace." }, { "start": 1881.6399999999999, "end": 1885.4399999999998, "text": " And now it's kind of like all of our old college friends and older friends are there and some" }, { "start": 1885.4399999999998, "end": 1886.84, "text": " family stuff." }, { "start": 1886.84, "end": 1892.6, "text": " But the majority of people are still loving life, playing words with friends, hooked up" }, { "start": 1892.6, "end": 1893.6, "text": " to Facebook." }, { "start": 1893.6, "end": 1895.6799999999998, "text": " They're still posting photos." }, { "start": 1895.6799999999998, "end": 1899.52, "text": " So there's a bit of a..." }, { "start": 1899.52, "end": 1906.06, "text": " It's hard to get a sense of how the vast majority of people really feel about Facebook because" }, { "start": 1906.06, "end": 1908.8, "text": " the vast majority of people are just using it and just fine with it." }, { "start": 1908.8, "end": 1910.8, "text": " It's the internet for them." }, { "start": 1910.8, "end": 1914.6, "text": " I don't mean to sound like an elitist, but I feel like that's just lag." }, { "start": 1914.6, "end": 1923.6, "text": " Perpetual lag between the guys who tack on to the more useful and more functional things" }, { "start": 1923.6, "end": 1926.7199999999998, "text": " first and then the guys who catch up later." }, { "start": 1926.7199999999998, "end": 1929.3999999999999, "text": " Lag is the reason that AOL still exists." }, { "start": 1929.3999999999999, "end": 1935.12, "text": " No, the reason that AOL still exists is because have you ever tried to cancel a dial up AOL" }, { "start": 1935.12, "end": 1936.12, "text": " plan?" }, { "start": 1936.12, "end": 1941.32, "text": " It's harder than unfriending every single person on Facebook individually." }, { "start": 1941.32, "end": 1943.28, "text": " Or one billion is what you're saying." }, { "start": 1943.28, "end": 1944.84, "text": " Yes, all one billion." }, { "start": 1944.84, "end": 1948.6399999999999, "text": " So if you were to friend all one billion and then go ahead and unfriend all of them, you'd" }, { "start": 1948.6399999999999, "end": 1954.56, "text": " have an easier time than trying to cancel your dial up subscription with AOL that you've" }, { "start": 1954.56, "end": 1955.56, "text": " had since 1995." }, { "start": 1955.56, "end": 1956.56, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1956.56, "end": 1958, "text": " But that's good to know." }, { "start": 1958, "end": 1962.08, "text": " I'll keep it in mind and try to stay clear of AOL services." }, { "start": 1962.08, "end": 1968.48, "text": " But also let's drop a quick mention for MySpace because they just this week launched their" }, { "start": 1968.48, "end": 1969.48, "text": " new service." }, { "start": 1969.48, "end": 1970.48, "text": " Justin Timberlake, baby." }, { "start": 1970.48, "end": 1972.48, "text": " I haven't listened to the song yet." }, { "start": 1972.48, "end": 1973.48, "text": " No, it's terrible." }, { "start": 1973.48, "end": 1974.48, "text": " What's his nickname?" }, { "start": 1974.48, "end": 1978.92, "text": " How do we refer to Justin Timberlake with only like four or five letters?" }, { "start": 1978.92, "end": 1981.3600000000001, "text": " I have no idea." }, { "start": 1981.3600000000001, "end": 1983.3600000000001, "text": " What do you mean?" }, { "start": 1983.3600000000001, "end": 1984.3600000000001, "text": " Isn't it JT?" }, { "start": 1984.3600000000001, "end": 1985.3600000000001, "text": " JT?" }, { "start": 1985.3600000000001, "end": 1986.3600000000001, "text": " Just call him JT." }, { "start": 1986.3600000000001, "end": 1987.3600000000001, "text": " I thought it was JT." }, { "start": 1987.3600000000001, "end": 1988.3600000000001, "text": " Just call him JT." }, { "start": 1988.3600000000001, "end": 1989.3600000000001, "text": " Too many syllables in his name?" }, { "start": 1989.3600000000001, "end": 1990.3600000000001, "text": " We can't..." }, { "start": 1990.3600000000001, "end": 1991.3600000000001, "text": " Yeah, exactly." }, { "start": 1991.3600000000001, "end": 1993.3600000000001, "text": " I mean, we can't go to that effort." }, { "start": 1993.3600000000001, "end": 1998.88, "text": " Welcome to The Verge Mobile Show, everybody, where your favorite mobile editors display" }, { "start": 1998.88, "end": 2005.2, "text": " just how out of touch with pop culture they are and how sad and ancient their music tastes" }, { "start": 2005.2, "end": 2008.88, "text": " are and how much they're not like you because they're just old." }, { "start": 2008.88, "end": 2009.88, "text": " Hey, hey, hey." }, { "start": 2009.88, "end": 2012.1200000000001, "text": " Even Justin Timberlake is getting a bit ancient now." }, { "start": 2012.1200000000001, "end": 2014.1200000000001, "text": " I mean, he's been around for over a decade." }, { "start": 2014.1200000000001, "end": 2015.1200000000001, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2015.1200000000001, "end": 2017.88, "text": " So this is really funny because just last week at CES, I think I was complaining to" }, { "start": 2017.88, "end": 2021.48, "text": " a bunch of our coworkers, and Dieter, you were probably in the car at the time, about" }, { "start": 2021.48, "end": 2024.24, "text": " how Justin Timberlake hadn't released anything since 2006." }, { "start": 2024.24, "end": 2026.6000000000001, "text": " And I was like, what's he doing?" }, { "start": 2026.6, "end": 2030.7199999999998, "text": " And then like Monday, his new song comes out and I'm like, what is this?" }, { "start": 2030.7199999999998, "end": 2032.8, "text": " This is not what I asked for." }, { "start": 2032.8, "end": 2033.8, "text": " So I'm on the up and up." }, { "start": 2033.8, "end": 2037.9199999999998, "text": " I'm sorry, Dan, you asked for more Justin Timberlake in the world." }, { "start": 2037.9199999999998, "end": 2038.9199999999998, "text": " I liked his last album." }, { "start": 2038.9199999999998, "end": 2039.9199999999998, "text": " It was great." }, { "start": 2039.9199999999998, "end": 2040.9199999999998, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2040.9199999999998, "end": 2041.9199999999998, "text": " There you go." }, { "start": 2041.9199999999998, "end": 2044.9199999999998, "text": " We'll leave that for Dan is weird podcast." }, { "start": 2044.9199999999998, "end": 2045.9199999999998, "text": " Why?" }, { "start": 2045.9199999999998, "end": 2046.9199999999998, "text": " No." }, { "start": 2046.9199999999998, "end": 2047.9199999999998, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2047.9199999999998, "end": 2048.92, "text": " No, no, seriously." }, { "start": 2048.92, "end": 2053.88, "text": " Okay, they did this cross promotional thing where he launched a song and they launched" }, { "start": 2053.88, "end": 2055.6, "text": " the new MySpace to the public." }, { "start": 2055.6, "end": 2059.36, "text": " It was really accessible via invites." }, { "start": 2059.36, "end": 2060.36, "text": " I jumped into it." }, { "start": 2060.36, "end": 2061.7999999999997, "text": " I got into it." }, { "start": 2061.7999999999997, "end": 2063.36, "text": " It's really bare bones." }, { "start": 2063.36, "end": 2068.96, "text": " I think the whole idea is for your content to be highlighted and to be prominent." }, { "start": 2068.96, "end": 2071.08, "text": " It tries to have a more modern UI." }, { "start": 2071.08, "end": 2075.96, "text": " If you just start typing, it does this massive screen dominating search, which I actually" }, { "start": 2075.96, "end": 2076.96, "text": " kind of enjoy." }, { "start": 2076.96, "end": 2079.2, "text": " I find that fun, interesting." }, { "start": 2079.2, "end": 2081.48, "text": " But it's just bare." }, { "start": 2081.48, "end": 2087.16, "text": " So I've had a beta invite for months now and when I first got it, I clicked in." }, { "start": 2087.16, "end": 2088.16, "text": " A beta invite?" }, { "start": 2088.16, "end": 2089.16, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 2089.16, "end": 2090.72, "text": " A beta, yeah." }, { "start": 2090.72, "end": 2095, "text": " I clicked in and I think I filled out half of my profile and then I just was like, I" }, { "start": 2095, "end": 2096, "text": " give up." }, { "start": 2096, "end": 2097, "text": " I don't want to go through this anymore." }, { "start": 2097, "end": 2101.2, "text": " There was nothing drawing me there to like, give me an answer." }, { "start": 2101.2, "end": 2103.2400000000002, "text": " Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait," }, { "start": 2103.2400000000002, "end": 2104.28, "text": " what makes you guys happy?" }, { "start": 2104.28, "end": 2107.96, "text": " Because when all the stuff is there, you complain that all the stuff is there and Facebook's" }, { "start": 2107.96, "end": 2111.76, "text": " trying to pull all your junk in and make you fill stuff out and have content." }, { "start": 2111.76, "end": 2113.7200000000003, "text": " You're like, oh, that's creepy, I don't want all that stuff." }, { "start": 2113.7200000000003, "end": 2118.76, "text": " But then when nothing's there and it's an empty, what's your perfect happy medium where" }, { "start": 2118.76, "end": 2120.2400000000002, "text": " you feel good about a social network?" }, { "start": 2120.2400000000002, "end": 2121.76, "text": " I've got two points to raise." }, { "start": 2121.76, "end": 2125.16, "text": " First thing, you just said Facebook is trying to pull your junk in." }, { "start": 2125.16, "end": 2129.88, "text": " Well, they did release a Snapchat clone." }, { "start": 2129.88, "end": 2131.52, "text": " They did release a Snapchat clone." }, { "start": 2131.52, "end": 2135, "text": " I mean, I'm just saying." }, { "start": 2135, "end": 2136.4, "text": " Where is it with MySpace?" }, { "start": 2136.4, "end": 2138.08, "text": " Fair point." }, { "start": 2138.08, "end": 2144.8, "text": " I mean, listen, if you force me to pick between Facebook and MySpace's interfaces, it's an" }, { "start": 2144.8, "end": 2147.64, "text": " easy, easy win for MySpace, granted." }, { "start": 2147.64, "end": 2153.6, "text": " But Dan's point is with the new MySpace, what essentially you're doing is, oh, here we go," }, { "start": 2153.6, "end": 2155.32, "text": " another new social service." }, { "start": 2155.32, "end": 2158.44, "text": " In order for me to make this useful, I need to hook up with other people I'm already hooked" }, { "start": 2158.44, "end": 2164.4, "text": " up with via Twitter and then start sending MySpace messages between us, which is what" }, { "start": 2164.4, "end": 2166.32, "text": " I already do on Twitter." }, { "start": 2166.32, "end": 2170.28, "text": " Unless you're Brad, who doesn't follow anybody on Twitter." }, { "start": 2170.28, "end": 2173.28, "text": " Hey, I follow 78 people." }, { "start": 2173.28, "end": 2175.6000000000004, "text": " I think that's plenty." }, { "start": 2175.6000000000004, "end": 2176.6000000000004, "text": " How many of them are..." }, { "start": 2176.6000000000004, "end": 2177.6000000000004, "text": " Never mind, I'm not going to..." }, { "start": 2177.6000000000004, "end": 2180.52, "text": " I was going to make a carrot joke, but it's mean." }, { "start": 2180.52, "end": 2181.52, "text": " It's played." }, { "start": 2181.52, "end": 2182.52, "text": " It's tired." }, { "start": 2182.52, "end": 2185.32, "text": " No, but dude, just diversify." }, { "start": 2185.32, "end": 2186.32, "text": " Use like yellow turnips." }, { "start": 2186.32, "end": 2187.32, "text": " Kale?" }, { "start": 2187.32, "end": 2188.32, "text": " Oh, yellow turnip." }, { "start": 2188.32, "end": 2189.32, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 2189.32, "end": 2190.32, "text": " What else have I got?" }, { "start": 2190.32, "end": 2191.32, "text": " Parsnips." }, { "start": 2191.32, "end": 2193.1600000000003, "text": " Parsnips are good today." }, { "start": 2193.1600000000003, "end": 2195.52, "text": " He also likes cauliflower and broccoli." }, { "start": 2195.52, "end": 2196.52, "text": " Oh, yes." }, { "start": 2196.52, "end": 2199.52, "text": " I don't know how people live without cauliflower." }, { "start": 2199.52, "end": 2201.52, "text": " I'm not even joking." }, { "start": 2201.52, "end": 2202.52, "text": " Why?" }, { "start": 2202.52, "end": 2206.6, "text": " It's like a non-food." }, { "start": 2206.6, "end": 2209.56, "text": " What can you do with cauliflower except soak it in butter?" }, { "start": 2209.56, "end": 2216.44, "text": " I mean, that's kind of how I feel about every vegetable, if it's not soaked in butter or" }, { "start": 2216.44, "end": 2217.44, "text": " cheese or something unhealthy." }, { "start": 2217.44, "end": 2223.68, "text": " Well, no, I can appreciate vegetables, but cauliflower, it's just like a..." }, { "start": 2223.68, "end": 2226.24, "text": " I don't know, it's terrible." }, { "start": 2226.24, "end": 2227.58, "text": " You know what the worst though is?" }, { "start": 2227.58, "end": 2228.7999999999997, "text": " The worst is watercress." }, { "start": 2228.7999999999997, "end": 2229.7999999999997, "text": " Watercress is..." }, { "start": 2229.7999999999997, "end": 2230.7999999999997, "text": " I hate it." }, { "start": 2230.7999999999997, "end": 2231.7999999999997, "text": " I hate it so much." }, { "start": 2231.7999999999997, "end": 2232.7999999999997, "text": " There's nothing good about watercress." }, { "start": 2232.7999999999997, "end": 2238.7999999999997, "text": " Dude, with cauliflower is the texture, first of all, and then secondly, you do have to refine" }, { "start": 2238.7999999999997, "end": 2247.48, "text": " your palate and not destroy it every weekend with In-N-Out burgers and salty, freaky stuff" }, { "start": 2247.48, "end": 2248.48, "text": " like that." }, { "start": 2248.48, "end": 2252.16, "text": " I didn't get any In-N-Out burgers in Vegas and I was actually quite mad." }, { "start": 2252.16, "end": 2254.48, "text": " I was really hoping for an In-N-Out burger and..." }, { "start": 2254.48, "end": 2259.7599999999998, "text": " I have to tell you, this is a little aside." }, { "start": 2259.7599999999998, "end": 2260.7599999999998, "text": " One of our UK..." }, { "start": 2260.7599999999998, "end": 2261.7599999999998, "text": " It's not so little anymore, man." }, { "start": 2261.7599999999998, "end": 2265.16, "text": " Well, a little aside to the digression, okay?" }, { "start": 2265.16, "end": 2270.7599999999998, "text": " But one of our UK writers was crazy enough, and I don't know who's been talking to him," }, { "start": 2270.7599999999998, "end": 2276.72, "text": " but I will find out, but he was crazy enough on the last day in Las Vegas to walk 45 minutes" }, { "start": 2276.72, "end": 2281.68, "text": " to the nearest In-N-Out joint to have one of those burgers." }, { "start": 2281.68, "end": 2288.16, "text": " Because he was told that it's so very good, he couldn't miss out on it." }, { "start": 2288.16, "end": 2291.2799999999997, "text": " I'm waiting for the part that sounds unreasonable." }, { "start": 2291.2799999999997, "end": 2294.16, "text": " Yeah, okay." }, { "start": 2294.16, "end": 2303.7599999999998, "text": " All I know is that I have to be back in Vegas for CTIA in May, so In-N-Out is going to be" }, { "start": 2303.7599999999998, "end": 2304.7599999999998, "text": " top of my list." }, { "start": 2304.7599999999998, "end": 2305.7599999999998, "text": " Exciting." }, { "start": 2305.7599999999998, "end": 2308.7599999999998, "text": " Well, I need to go back to stuff." }, { "start": 2308.76, "end": 2312.7200000000003, "text": " We're going to be back in Barcelona for Mobile World Congress, all new venue, it's the end" }, { "start": 2312.7200000000003, "end": 2313.7200000000003, "text": " of February." }, { "start": 2313.7200000000003, "end": 2314.7200000000003, "text": " Now that is exciting." }, { "start": 2314.7200000000003, "end": 2322.2000000000003, "text": " Yeah, and leaks are starting to come out, and the HTC's M7 flagship, it was basically" }, { "start": 2322.2000000000003, "end": 2326.36, "text": " a render from a demo video or something, and I've got my link wrong in our show notes," }, { "start": 2326.36, "end": 2328.48, "text": " so I can't look at it right now." }, { "start": 2328.48, "end": 2332.2400000000002, "text": " But it looked like, take the back of an iPhone, add an extra grill to it, and make it the" }, { "start": 2332.2400000000002, "end": 2335.6800000000003, "text": " front of the..." }, { "start": 2335.68, "end": 2339.48, "text": " I don't get how people, I guess because of the two-tone design, people are saying it" }, { "start": 2339.48, "end": 2340.48, "text": " looks like an iPhone." }, { "start": 2340.48, "end": 2341.96, "text": " It doesn't look anything like an iPhone to me." }, { "start": 2341.96, "end": 2342.96, "text": " It does!" }, { "start": 2342.96, "end": 2343.96, "text": " No, it doesn't." }, { "start": 2343.96, "end": 2346.48, "text": " Oh, I'm looking at it again." }, { "start": 2346.48, "end": 2349.72, "text": " Look at the ridge, look at how it's just a square with the round..." }, { "start": 2349.72, "end": 2350.72, "text": " You know what it looks like?" }, { "start": 2350.72, "end": 2352.64, "text": " It looks like an Evo 4G LTE." }, { "start": 2352.64, "end": 2353.64, "text": " You know what it looks like?" }, { "start": 2353.64, "end": 2354.64, "text": " It looks like an iPhone." }, { "start": 2354.64, "end": 2355.64, "text": " Yeah, it does." }, { "start": 2355.64, "end": 2361.04, "text": " Dan, it's two-tone, and it's also the proportions of the bits which are two-tone." }, { "start": 2361.04, "end": 2363.68, "text": " The shape is an Evo 4G LTE to me." }, { "start": 2363.68, "end": 2365.72, "text": " You're trying too hard, man." }, { "start": 2365.72, "end": 2368.6, "text": " Just look at it." }, { "start": 2368.6, "end": 2371.44, "text": " How big is the screen supposed to be on this M7 device?" }, { "start": 2371.44, "end": 2373.44, "text": " 4.7, I think, 1080p." }, { "start": 2373.44, "end": 2375.16, "text": " Oh, cure me." }, { "start": 2375.16, "end": 2377.7599999999998, "text": " Cure me now." }, { "start": 2377.7599999999998, "end": 2378.7599999999998, "text": " I give up." }, { "start": 2378.7599999999998, "end": 2379.7599999999998, "text": " Listen, if..." }, { "start": 2379.7599999999998, "end": 2383.98, "text": " Vlad, did you know that you got a shout-out on Jon Gruber's last podcast, talking about" }, { "start": 2383.98, "end": 2387.8799999999997, "text": " why nobody seems to want to make a flagship 4-inch screen phone?" }, { "start": 2387.8799999999997, "end": 2392.12, "text": " Yeah, somebody tweeted at me about that on Twitter." }, { "start": 2392.12, "end": 2398.7999999999997, "text": " I'm just going to keep saying that." }, { "start": 2398.7999999999997, "end": 2400.7999999999997, "text": " That's fine." }, { "start": 2400.7999999999997, "end": 2408.3199999999997, "text": " Anyways, looking at this render, okay, iPhone look-alike or not, if the final product is" }, { "start": 2408.3199999999997, "end": 2412.72, "text": " anything like that, that would imply that it's a really small border around the display" }, { "start": 2412.72, "end": 2415.52, "text": " and a really small bezel." }, { "start": 2415.52, "end": 2417.48, "text": " That could be really cool, right?" }, { "start": 2417.48, "end": 2418.7999999999997, "text": " A small footprint, maybe?" }, { "start": 2418.8, "end": 2423.7200000000003, "text": " Yeah, I can't wait for HTC to release another piece of awesome hardware, hobble it with" }, { "start": 2423.7200000000003, "end": 2428.2000000000003, "text": " middling software, and have nobody care because Samsung spends almost a billion dollars on" }, { "start": 2428.2000000000003, "end": 2429.2000000000003, "text": " marketing." }, { "start": 2429.2000000000003, "end": 2430.2000000000003, "text": " I don't know how much they actually spend." }, { "start": 2430.2000000000003, "end": 2434.0800000000004, "text": " They spend millions upon millions upon millions of dollars on marketing." }, { "start": 2434.0800000000004, "end": 2437.2400000000002, "text": " I don't know how HTC wins at this point." }, { "start": 2437.2400000000002, "end": 2438.6000000000004, "text": " The One X was great." }, { "start": 2438.6000000000004, "end": 2440.8, "text": " The One XL was a nice spec bump." }, { "start": 2440.8, "end": 2446.36, "text": " This thing looks like it's going to be cool and compelling and awesome." }, { "start": 2446.36, "end": 2447.36, "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "start": 2447.36, "end": 2450.36, "text": " I wish that it would make a dent, but I'm afraid it's not going to." }, { "start": 2450.36, "end": 2453.52, "text": " How many HTC commercials do you see on TV?" }, { "start": 2453.52, "end": 2454.52, "text": " Zero." }, { "start": 2454.52, "end": 2459.48, "text": " I see a couple here and there when a device first hits the market, but you see Samsung" }, { "start": 2459.48, "end": 2465.08, "text": " commercials all the time, all day long for all of their flagship devices." }, { "start": 2465.08, "end": 2468.88, "text": " You guys don't need to worry about that because Peter Chao has promised he's going to spend" }, { "start": 2468.88, "end": 2474.1800000000003, "text": " more on marketing because he's convinced that if he markets a 4.7 inch phone with sense" }, { "start": 2474.1800000000003, "end": 2476.36, "text": " hard enough, people are going to buy it." }, { "start": 2476.36, "end": 2477.36, "text": " It's true." }, { "start": 2477.36, "end": 2478.36, "text": " People would do it." }, { "start": 2478.36, "end": 2479.36, "text": " That's wrong." }, { "start": 2479.36, "end": 2480.36, "text": " Oh, yeah." }, { "start": 2480.36, "end": 2481.36, "text": " That's totally right." }, { "start": 2481.36, "end": 2485.36, "text": " If he's right, then it's time to bring out the Nate Palm because people are going to" }, { "start": 2485.36, "end": 2486.36, "text": " be..." }, { "start": 2486.36, "end": 2488.88, "text": " Seriously, I'm giving HTC advance warning." }, { "start": 2488.88, "end": 2492.1200000000003, "text": " If I'm the guy who gets his hands on this 4.7 inch device, the first thing I'm going" }, { "start": 2492.1200000000003, "end": 2494.32, "text": " to say is, he has HTC's latest phone." }, { "start": 2494.32, "end": 2495.32, "text": " It's too big." }, { "start": 2495.32, "end": 2496.32, "text": " End of story." }, { "start": 2496.32, "end": 2497.32, "text": " It just is." }, { "start": 2497.32, "end": 2498.32, "text": " No, and you know what?" }, { "start": 2498.32, "end": 2499.32, "text": " I'm not even going to..." }, { "start": 2499.32, "end": 2501.56, "text": " What if it feels remarkably small?" }, { "start": 2501.56, "end": 2503.52, "text": " What if they manage to have a..." }, { "start": 2503.52, "end": 2504.52, "text": " It won't." }, { "start": 2504.52, "end": 2509.32, "text": " It's a 4.7 inch display." }, { "start": 2509.32, "end": 2510.32, "text": " It's physics." }, { "start": 2510.32, "end": 2518.6, "text": " It's the same reason we don't have an F1.4 lens which is the size of a coin." }, { "start": 2518.6, "end": 2519.6, "text": " It's physics." }, { "start": 2519.6, "end": 2520.6, "text": " You can't get around it." }, { "start": 2520.6, "end": 2525.44, "text": " Here's the thing, and I will completely avoid sounding like a fanboy for any other brand." }, { "start": 2525.44, "end": 2531.96, "text": " I'll give you guys the perfect counter example, the HTC One SV." }, { "start": 2531.96, "end": 2538.08, "text": " First of all, because of HTC's still confused branding, you don't know what that device" }, { "start": 2538.08, "end": 2542.84, "text": " looks like because you're not really sure which of the One series it is." }, { "start": 2542.84, "end": 2544.32, "text": " But what I can tell you..." }, { "start": 2544.32, "end": 2545.32, "text": " I mean, come on." }, { "start": 2545.32, "end": 2546.32, "text": " Be honest." }, { "start": 2546.32, "end": 2547.32, "text": " You don't." }, { "start": 2547.32, "end": 2550.28, "text": " Maybe you guys do, but most people will be like, One SV, let me look that up and then" }, { "start": 2550.28, "end": 2552.68, "text": " I'll know what it's talking about." }, { "start": 2552.68, "end": 2556.44, "text": " It's a 4.3 inch Super LCD 2U display." }, { "start": 2556.44, "end": 2558.04, "text": " It's the most recent one." }, { "start": 2558.04, "end": 2562.88, "text": " It just came out on EE with LTE here in the UK." }, { "start": 2562.88, "end": 2566.2, "text": " It's on Cricket here in the US." }, { "start": 2566.2, "end": 2570.32, "text": " And it has a flame red back cover and some accents." }, { "start": 2570.32, "end": 2571.32, "text": " It looks so good." }, { "start": 2571.32, "end": 2572.32, "text": " It looks so good." }, { "start": 2572.32, "end": 2578.48, "text": " And you know Eric Lin who works at HTC, one of our good friends, he was saying, now that" }, { "start": 2578.48, "end": 2583.16, "text": " you guys have the One SV in your hands, you can tell what I mean about it being the best" }, { "start": 2583.16, "end": 2585.4, "text": " design at HTC since the Nexus One." }, { "start": 2585.4, "end": 2588.96, "text": " He recently tweeted on Twitter." }, { "start": 2588.96, "end": 2591.64, "text": " And I think he has a point." }, { "start": 2591.64, "end": 2594.56, "text": " I don't know that I necessarily agree with him 100%." }, { "start": 2594.56, "end": 2596.54, "text": " But it feels good in the hand." }, { "start": 2596.54, "end": 2599.1600000000003, "text": " It feels like it's the right size." }, { "start": 2599.1600000000003, "end": 2602.28, "text": " Sense feels like sense, which is bad." }, { "start": 2602.28, "end": 2605.6, "text": " But the size of it is right." }, { "start": 2605.6, "end": 2608.1600000000003, "text": " The 4.3 inch size and form factor is right." }, { "start": 2608.1600000000003, "end": 2609.48, "text": " It could be slimmer." }, { "start": 2609.48, "end": 2614.2000000000003, "text": " It could be, you know, it could have high quality materials." }, { "start": 2614.2, "end": 2619.3599999999997, "text": " It could have more things that convey a flagship device." }, { "start": 2619.3599999999997, "end": 2621.8799999999997, "text": " But it's so much better." }, { "start": 2621.8799999999997, "end": 2627, "text": " It does remind me of the One X in terms of its, as I say, here in the UK it's white." }, { "start": 2627, "end": 2630.96, "text": " It has a matte white rear cover." }, { "start": 2630.96, "end": 2636.8799999999997, "text": " It reminds me of the One X, but it feels like the One X in, you know, much more palatable" }, { "start": 2636.8799999999997, "end": 2637.8799999999997, "text": " proportions." }, { "start": 2637.8799999999997, "end": 2638.8799999999997, "text": " It just fits." }, { "start": 2638.8799999999997, "end": 2642.4399999999996, "text": " It makes so, so much more sense to me as a device." }, { "start": 2642.44, "end": 2644.44, "text": " I expect that it's a WVGA." }, { "start": 2644.44, "end": 2645.44, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2645.44, "end": 2651.88, "text": " I mean, I do also feel as much grief as I'm giving to these companies, I do feel like" }, { "start": 2651.88, "end": 2656.8, "text": " if they want a headline grabbing display, they have to go to 4.7 inches because they" }, { "start": 2656.8, "end": 2658.8, "text": " can't get those 720p displays." }, { "start": 2658.8, "end": 2662.6, "text": " Well, this goes back to the point that I made at CES." }, { "start": 2662.6, "end": 2665.16, "text": " The BlackBerry is doing it." }, { "start": 2665.16, "end": 2668.28, "text": " Well yeah, they're doing a pretty decent job of it." }, { "start": 2668.28, "end": 2669.28, "text": " It's not quite 720p." }, { "start": 2669.28, "end": 2670.7200000000003, "text": " Isn't it a little over or something?" }, { "start": 2670.72, "end": 2676.24, "text": " Anyway, what I was making is we need to stop giving these companies engineering credit" }, { "start": 2676.24, "end": 2680.9599999999996, "text": " for building big ass phones because it's easier, I think, at this point than building something" }, { "start": 2680.9599999999996, "end": 2684, "text": " that's directly competitive with the iPhone." }, { "start": 2684, "end": 2690.3999999999996, "text": " The iPhone is a marvel of design and packing stuff into a tiny form factor." }, { "start": 2690.3999999999996, "end": 2694.8799999999997, "text": " You know, it's just like you can build a big huge phone with a big huge screen." }, { "start": 2694.8799999999997, "end": 2697.3599999999997, "text": " Well, of course you can because you've got more space to work with." }, { "start": 2697.3599999999997, "end": 2698.3599999999997, "text": " Try and do it smaller." }, { "start": 2698.3599999999997, "end": 2699.3599999999997, "text": " See what you can do." }, { "start": 2699.36, "end": 2703.4, "text": " And HTC is capable of it." }, { "start": 2703.4, "end": 2710.6800000000003, "text": " If you look at the Windows phone 8X has a 4.3 inch 720p display." }, { "start": 2710.6800000000003, "end": 2712.2200000000003, "text": " It's not a massive bulky phone." }, { "start": 2712.2200000000003, "end": 2714.2400000000002, "text": " It's a little too square." }, { "start": 2714.2400000000002, "end": 2718.6400000000003, "text": " It could be a little more ergonomic but it's thin, it's light." }, { "start": 2718.6400000000003, "end": 2724.88, "text": " I would love to see an Android phone in HTC's lineup with that hardware." }, { "start": 2724.88, "end": 2728.4, "text": " And there's also the ReSound which also has a 4.3 inch 720p." }, { "start": 2728.4, "end": 2731.04, "text": " Right, now you're just trolling man." }, { "start": 2731.04, "end": 2734.04, "text": " Have you held a ReSound?" }, { "start": 2734.04, "end": 2738.4, "text": " Those two iPhones stacked on top of each other." }, { "start": 2738.4, "end": 2742.44, "text": " But ultimately I'm totally on board with what Dieter just said." }, { "start": 2742.44, "end": 2748.1600000000003, "text": " If you're going for yet another big phone, you're playing it safe." }, { "start": 2748.1600000000003, "end": 2754.56, "text": " And if HTC looks around at guys like Nokia and Blackberry, the one thing it shouldn't" }, { "start": 2754.56, "end": 2756.14, "text": " be doing is playing it safe." }, { "start": 2756.14, "end": 2759.2, "text": " Because that's what Nokia and Blackberry did for years." }, { "start": 2759.2, "end": 2763.48, "text": " I know this for a fact because years and years ago, two or three years ago when I was still" }, { "start": 2763.48, "end": 2768.2, "text": " writing for Engadget, it was the case that every single article that criticizes Nokia" }, { "start": 2768.2, "end": 2773.4, "text": " being sluggish in embracing touch screens, Nokia being slow in rolling out an updated" }, { "start": 2773.4, "end": 2778.92, "text": " touch friendly symbiont, people were like, look at Nokia's market share, they're fine." }, { "start": 2778.92, "end": 2781.48, "text": " Nokia took way too long, played it way too safe." }, { "start": 2781.48, "end": 2786.8, "text": " RIM, Michael Ziridis, Jim Bausili, they were way too cocky and arrogant about their market" }, { "start": 2786.8, "end": 2787.8, "text": " share." }, { "start": 2787.8, "end": 2795, "text": " Took way too long, still taking way too long until this freaking Blackberry 10 thing happens." }, { "start": 2795, "end": 2797.8, "text": " Played it way too safe until now when they're desperate." }, { "start": 2797.8, "end": 2800.52, "text": " I don't think HTC should carry on waiting like this." }, { "start": 2800.52, "end": 2803.64, "text": " And I don't think HTC should just carry on doing the same thing because it isn't working" }, { "start": 2803.64, "end": 2806.08, "text": " out." }, { "start": 2806.08, "end": 2807.82, "text": " So just freaking do it." }, { "start": 2807.82, "end": 2813.76, "text": " If HTC needs to make a loss on displays but give us an amazing 4.3 inch device, I think" }, { "start": 2813.76, "end": 2819.92, "text": " it should do it to get some of that competitiveness back against Samsung because at the moment," }, { "start": 2819.92, "end": 2822.6800000000003, "text": " the way things are shaping up, I mean Samsung is selling phones like crazy." }, { "start": 2822.6800000000003, "end": 2828.04, "text": " It's building up a brand cache, it's making itself insular from the rest of the other" }, { "start": 2828.04, "end": 2836.4, "text": " brands and people are starting to really associate with the Samsung brand more so than with Android" }, { "start": 2836.4, "end": 2837.4, "text": " nowadays." }, { "start": 2837.4, "end": 2842.88, "text": " Not entirely, but people are like, it's a Samsung phone." }, { "start": 2842.88, "end": 2843.88, "text": " Which matters." }, { "start": 2843.88, "end": 2846.48, "text": " And they anticipate the next Galaxy." }, { "start": 2846.48, "end": 2847.48, "text": " They're everywhere." }, { "start": 2847.48, "end": 2851.64, "text": " I love when one of us makes a point and the other people have nothing to disagree with." }, { "start": 2851.64, "end": 2854.64, "text": " We just kind of wait for them to trail off because we have nothing to jump in and say," }, { "start": 2854.64, "end": 2855.64, "text": " no, no, you're wrong." }, { "start": 2855.64, "end": 2859.36, "text": " Well, just to add to his point, Samsung did announce, I think just this week, that they" }, { "start": 2859.36, "end": 2866.96, "text": " sold 100 million Galaxy family phones and twice as many Galaxy 3s as Galaxy 2s." }, { "start": 2866.96, "end": 2867.96, "text": " They're out there." }, { "start": 2867.96, "end": 2874.2, "text": " And every time I travel, I always notice on the plane, say, what people are using or if" }, { "start": 2874.2, "end": 2877.08, "text": " I'm on a train, what devices they're using." }, { "start": 2877.08, "end": 2881.92, "text": " It used to be years ago, it was all Blackberries on a plane, then it's all iPhones and now" }, { "start": 2881.92, "end": 2886.94, "text": " it's like as many iPhones as I see, I see various Samsung devices in different colors" }, { "start": 2886.94, "end": 2887.94, "text": " and stuff like that." }, { "start": 2887.94, "end": 2891.36, "text": " So the one thing I don't see are HTC devices." }, { "start": 2891.36, "end": 2899.28, "text": " Yeah, I mean, Samsung has been just not, how the Galaxy Note became a success, I still" }, { "start": 2899.28, "end": 2900.28, "text": " don't know." }, { "start": 2900.28, "end": 2903.4, "text": " And now the Galaxy Note 2 is just yet another success." }, { "start": 2903.4, "end": 2904.4, "text": " It's just kind of crazy." }, { "start": 2904.4, "end": 2905.4, "text": " But that's what I'm saying." }, { "start": 2905.4, "end": 2912.8, "text": " The only way you can counter that, the only way you can counter that is to be as aggressive" }, { "start": 2912.8, "end": 2915.32, "text": " and as bonkers as Samsung." }, { "start": 2915.32, "end": 2917.6, "text": " Like HTC tried." }, { "start": 2917.6, "end": 2921.36, "text": " I mean, before the Galaxy Note, there was something very close in the HTC Flyer, it's" }, { "start": 2921.36, "end": 2925.2, "text": " just that you were crazy." }, { "start": 2925.2, "end": 2928.16, "text": " First you mentioned the ReSound, now you bring up the Flyer." }, { "start": 2928.16, "end": 2931.56, "text": " You're really bringing up all of HTC's hits." }, { "start": 2931.56, "end": 2935.96, "text": " So the thing is that goes back to what we were talking about, RAM, how it's appearing" }, { "start": 2935.96, "end": 2939.6, "text": " that RAM is going to be able to get its device on all four carriers at the same time." }, { "start": 2939.6, "end": 2941, "text": " HTC has not done that yet." }, { "start": 2941, "end": 2945.56, "text": " It has yet to have a similar device or very close device on all four carriers at the same" }, { "start": 2945.56, "end": 2947.36, "text": " time." }, { "start": 2947.36, "end": 2951.28, "text": " Samsung started that with the Galaxy S2 with minor variants and then the Galaxy S3 blew" }, { "start": 2951.28, "end": 2955.88, "text": " it out and then the Note 2 blew it out where every carrier, major carrier in the US pretty" }, { "start": 2955.88, "end": 2962.6800000000003, "text": " much wants to have that device on their line up and they're not insisting on dramatically" }, { "start": 2962.6800000000003, "end": 2964.84, "text": " altering it." }, { "start": 2964.84, "end": 2969.94, "text": " If you look at HTC in say 2012, they had the One X come out on AT&T but then it was a totally" }, { "start": 2969.94, "end": 2971.56, "text": " different device on Sprint." }, { "start": 2971.56, "end": 2978.32, "text": " Verizon still doesn't really have anything except until the Droid DNA which was again" }, { "start": 2978.32, "end": 2981.44, "text": " a totally different device later in the year." }, { "start": 2981.44, "end": 2988.52, "text": " And so there's a lot of things that HTC has to do if it wants to mimic Samsung and that's" }, { "start": 2988.52, "end": 2992.16, "text": " just one part of it as I trail off." }, { "start": 2992.16, "end": 3000.68, "text": " Man, we don't even need to talk about the other crap that we've got on our list." }, { "start": 3000.68, "end": 3006.16, "text": " We'll see what HTC, Mobile World Congress is HTC's show." }, { "start": 3006.16, "end": 3010.9199999999996, "text": " It's a show that HTC does its big stuff and I don't know if HTC owns Mobile World Congress." }, { "start": 3010.9199999999996, "end": 3014.8399999999997, "text": " They did the One X last year so yeah, and the whole One series actually." }, { "start": 3014.8399999999997, "end": 3017.7999999999997, "text": " I don't think we're going to see Samsung try and do anything huge there." }, { "start": 3017.7999999999997, "end": 3023.06, "text": " I think people are just going to let HTC have their day in the sun and hopefully they'll" }, { "start": 3023.06, "end": 3029.9199999999996, "text": " manage to eke a couple of weeks out of it once they do." }, { "start": 3029.92, "end": 3035.28, "text": " I don't, I mean we've had a bunch of T-Mobile news that the CEO said that the subsidies" }, { "start": 3035.28, "end": 3041, "text": " are going to end in three or four months and just amazing quotes about him going after" }, { "start": 3041, "end": 3049.44, "text": " AT&T's crap network in New York and even making fun of Verizon." }, { "start": 3049.44, "end": 3054.04, "text": " We'll track and see how T-Mobile does but basically at this point I'm just super excited" }, { "start": 3054.04, "end": 3059.84, "text": " that T-Mobile has a rabble rouser in charge and they just love saying crazy stuff." }, { "start": 3059.84, "end": 3063.04, "text": " Totally, I'm totally in agreement with that." }, { "start": 3063.04, "end": 3068.7200000000003, "text": " Yes, and also I didn't know what this guy looked like until I saw some pictures from" }, { "start": 3068.7200000000003, "end": 3071.36, "text": " our coverage of his CES appearance." }, { "start": 3071.36, "end": 3072.44, "text": " He's amazing." }, { "start": 3072.44, "end": 3075.36, "text": " And the way he was dressed in that CES appearance." }, { "start": 3075.36, "end": 3077.36, "text": " He dresses like Jimmy Iovine." }, { "start": 3077.36, "end": 3083.6400000000003, "text": " Yeah, I mean he had like sequins on his jacket and then there was this brightly colored big" }, { "start": 3083.6400000000003, "end": 3085.2000000000003, "text": " T t-shirt underneath." }, { "start": 3085.2000000000003, "end": 3087.04, "text": " I was like that's the CEO." }, { "start": 3087.04, "end": 3088.04, "text": " Yankees cap." }, { "start": 3088.04, "end": 3089.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3089.04, "end": 3093.08, "text": " The dude was out there." }, { "start": 3093.08, "end": 3098.72, "text": " Listen, compared to previous CESs where we were like which CEO has the best mustache" }, { "start": 3098.72, "end": 3102.04, "text": " and we were looking at the Verizon and AT&T competition." }, { "start": 3102.04, "end": 3106.04, "text": " In the chat, Sparkling Cyanide says he looks a little bit like Willem Dafoe." }, { "start": 3106.04, "end": 3111.12, "text": " He's like a crazy CEO version of Willem Dafoe." }, { "start": 3111.12, "end": 3112.2799999999997, "text": " I totally see it." }, { "start": 3112.2799999999997, "end": 3114.44, "text": " Yeah, I can see it." }, { "start": 3114.44, "end": 3122.12, "text": " He's like the Green Goblin from the first Spider-Man movies but in charge of a company." }, { "start": 3122.12, "end": 3127.16, "text": " As far as the scale of CEOs, you've got Dan Mead from Verizon who's like super straight" }, { "start": 3127.16, "end": 3132.44, "text": " laced, suit and tie every appearance and Ralph de la Vega and AT&T is again super straight" }, { "start": 3132.44, "end": 3138.2000000000003, "text": " laced and then you step down to Dan Hesse from Sprint who will loosen his tie and pull" }, { "start": 3138.2000000000003, "end": 3139.2000000000003, "text": " his dress sleeves up." }, { "start": 3139.2000000000003, "end": 3142.7200000000003, "text": " Well, you can step down because even when Dan Hesse is on a lower step, he still towers" }, { "start": 3142.72, "end": 3146.9199999999996, "text": " above the other guys because he's 18 feet tall." }, { "start": 3146.9199999999996, "end": 3151.7999999999997, "text": " He's physically tall but he'll take his jacket off and he's known to open his shirt up and" }, { "start": 3151.7999999999997, "end": 3157.8999999999996, "text": " loosen up and then you've got T-Mobile who's just like I don't even know how to describe" }, { "start": 3157.8999999999996, "end": 3161.56, "text": " it, straight cash." }, { "start": 3161.56, "end": 3162.56, "text": " Permanently inebriated." }, { "start": 3162.56, "end": 3166.2, "text": " That might be a good one." }, { "start": 3166.2, "end": 3172.68, "text": " Actually, isn't it fun though that the way they covered those Dust Bowl states with LTE" }, { "start": 3172.68, "end": 3175.24, "text": " I think is admirable." }, { "start": 3175.24, "end": 3180.12, "text": " Man, first of all, actually it is admirable that you can go in the middle of nowhere in" }, { "start": 3180.12, "end": 3183.08, "text": " America and get LTE on Verizon." }, { "start": 3183.08, "end": 3186.44, "text": " I honestly think he was complimenting Verizon there." }, { "start": 3186.44, "end": 3190.24, "text": " He went between this flip flop where he would say that it's a beautiful network and it's" }, { "start": 3190.24, "end": 3194.5, "text": " really great and he loves it and then he would say something like once you start to watch" }, { "start": 3194.5, "end": 3199.16, "text": " porn on your phone, your shared data plan is just going to go evaporate." }, { "start": 3199.16, "end": 3205.2799999999997, "text": " I think the Dust Bowl comment was on the flip of the positive." }, { "start": 3205.2799999999997, "end": 3210.3599999999997, "text": " I saw more honesty on a match.com ad than AT&T's coverage maps." }, { "start": 3210.3599999999997, "end": 3213, "text": " Wow, come on." }, { "start": 3213, "end": 3215.16, "text": " How do you not love this guy?" }, { "start": 3215.16, "end": 3221.24, "text": " I was just going to say it's kind of amusing and fun that the two underdog networks in" }, { "start": 3221.24, "end": 3227.56, "text": " the US actually have the two most likable CEOs among carriers and actually among, even" }, { "start": 3227.56, "end": 3233.36, "text": " if you include device makers, nobody is as amusing as Dan Hesse and this crazy new T-Mobile" }, { "start": 3233.36, "end": 3234.36, "text": " guy." }, { "start": 3234.36, "end": 3242.36, "text": " I mean, honestly, from among the CEOs, I would say Jensen Huang from Nvidia is the only one" }, { "start": 3242.36, "end": 3244.68, "text": " who kind of goes out there." }, { "start": 3244.68, "end": 3248.2799999999997, "text": " Huawei's CEO is a bunch of fun." }, { "start": 3248.2799999999997, "end": 3249.2799999999997, "text": " He doesn't care." }, { "start": 3249.2799999999997, "end": 3250.2799999999997, "text": " He lets it rip." }, { "start": 3250.2799999999997, "end": 3253.84, "text": " He drinks peace on China." }, { "start": 3253.84, "end": 3255.32, "text": " Nobody matches Monster's CEO." }, { "start": 3255.32, "end": 3257.32, "text": " Oh my god." }, { "start": 3257.32, "end": 3259.44, "text": " Don't even." }, { "start": 3259.44, "end": 3268.8, "text": " Actually, can I pull us back to MWC because a little way too early MWC previews." }, { "start": 3268.8, "end": 3271.04, "text": " I'm not even healthy from CES yet." }, { "start": 3271.04, "end": 3272.04, "text": " Yeah, go ahead." }, { "start": 3272.04, "end": 3273.44, "text": " No, I mean, there's a thing." }, { "start": 3273.44, "end": 3278.56, "text": " We're way too early to previewing MWC, but I do feel like now that we've had CES, it's" }, { "start": 3278.56, "end": 3285.32, "text": " also kind of a relatively timely time to assess how companies are going to strategize." }, { "start": 3285.32, "end": 3289.6800000000003, "text": " I agree with you insofar as I think Samsung is going to repeat a strategy from last year" }, { "start": 3289.6800000000003, "end": 3295.92, "text": " which is pull back from MWC with flagship announcements, do its own event, and again," }, { "start": 3295.92, "end": 3300.8, "text": " repeat the successful strategy of having no connectivity wherever that event happens." }, { "start": 3300.8, "end": 3305.92, "text": " So then you have me sitting in the front row having spent three hours trying to get into" }, { "start": 3305.92, "end": 3311.2000000000003, "text": " the event on time and just getting 2G and texting people updates about the magician" }, { "start": 3311.2000000000003, "end": 3313.92, "text": " on stage." }, { "start": 3313.92, "end": 3316.76, "text": " And Samsung's crazy, crazy presentations." }, { "start": 3316.76, "end": 3322.6, "text": " But aside from those guys, yes, HTC is going to try and blow out the event." }, { "start": 3322.6, "end": 3326.92, "text": " LG didn't really bring anything special to CES, so they're going to try and have something" }, { "start": 3326.92, "end": 3327.92, "text": " major." }, { "start": 3327.92, "end": 3328.92, "text": " And LG said specifically during..." }, { "start": 3328.92, "end": 3329.92, "text": " View 2, baby." }, { "start": 3329.92, "end": 3330.92, "text": " View 2." }, { "start": 3330.92, "end": 3331.92, "text": " It's going to be the view 2." }, { "start": 3331.92, "end": 3332.92, "text": " I'm telling you right now." }, { "start": 3332.92, "end": 3337.48, "text": " Well, they said during their press event at CES where they're trotting out the intuition" }, { "start": 3337.48, "end": 3341.8, "text": " and talking about how great it was because so many people loved that, they specifically" }, { "start": 3341.8, "end": 3345.2400000000002, "text": " said stay tuned and MWC will have our big mobile announcements." }, { "start": 3345.2400000000002, "end": 3351.7200000000003, "text": " They already had the Optimus G. They completely dominated what was even there at the last" }, { "start": 3351.7200000000003, "end": 3355.44, "text": " CTIA and it's the base of the Nexus 4." }, { "start": 3355.44, "end": 3360.1200000000003, "text": " If they are going to try and out Optimus G, the Optimus G, one, I don't know what specs" }, { "start": 3360.1200000000003, "end": 3365.2400000000002, "text": " they put in there, it wouldn't be completely ridiculous, and two, they didn't nail the" }, { "start": 3365.2400000000002, "end": 3368.2400000000002, "text": " Optimus G. I don't have a whole lot of faith that they're going to nail the next thing." }, { "start": 3368.2400000000002, "end": 3369.7200000000003, "text": " Don't get me wrong." }, { "start": 3369.72, "end": 3373.64, "text": " Compared to LG from a couple of years ago, they're firing on all cylinders, right?" }, { "start": 3373.64, "end": 3376.64, "text": " But it's still, I mean, it's damning with faint praise because we're comparing it to" }, { "start": 3376.64, "end": 3377.64, "text": " what they used to be." }, { "start": 3377.64, "end": 3380.24, "text": " They're firing on all cylinders and moving backwards." }, { "start": 3380.24, "end": 3389.08, "text": " Well, I mean, last year, what LG did, and I know you remember this fondly, Dieter, is" }, { "start": 3389.08, "end": 3392.68, "text": " they did a deluge of phones." }, { "start": 3392.68, "end": 3396.08, "text": " And you remember it fondly because you had to take pictures of all of them." }, { "start": 3396.08, "end": 3398.08, "text": " The L3, the L5, the L7, the View." }, { "start": 3398.08, "end": 3399.08, "text": " The L9." }, { "start": 3399.08, "end": 3400.08, "text": " Oh, the 4X HD." }, { "start": 3400.08, "end": 3401.08, "text": " You forgot about that one." }, { "start": 3401.08, "end": 3406.7999999999997, "text": " And then there was a 3D phone as well, whatever that was." }, { "start": 3406.7999999999997, "end": 3410.7599999999998, "text": " That was the Optimus 3D 2, right?" }, { "start": 3410.7599999999998, "end": 3413.7599999999998, "text": " Yeah, yeah, I think so." }, { "start": 3413.7599999999998, "end": 3419.4, "text": " I basically had a spreadsheet of what gets grouped together, what is an actual flagship." }, { "start": 3419.4, "end": 3420.7599999999998, "text": " It was a huge pain." }, { "start": 3420.7599999999998, "end": 3424.56, "text": " Yeah, I mean, they carbon bombed the show with phones." }, { "start": 3424.56, "end": 3425.56, "text": " It was nuts." }, { "start": 3425.56, "end": 3433.7999999999997, "text": " I hope, I'm not sure it's a hope that we justify, but I hope they try and streamline that and" }, { "start": 3433.7999999999997, "end": 3435.6, "text": " they focus in on a couple of devices." }, { "start": 3435.6, "end": 3439.64, "text": " I mean, even if they do three, but they segment them properly." }, { "start": 3439.64, "end": 3443.92, "text": " So you have an entry level phone, a mid-range, and a high end." }, { "start": 3443.92, "end": 3445.92, "text": " And the high end can be just like a group of people." }, { "start": 3445.92, "end": 3449.12, "text": " That's the HTC One strategy that they did last year, right?" }, { "start": 3449.12, "end": 3450.12, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3450.12, "end": 3451.12, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3451.12, "end": 3452.12, "text": " I mean, it just makes more sense to me." }, { "start": 3452.12, "end": 3457.88, "text": " I don't, and yet at the same time, I keep saying that, but then Samsung's successful" }, { "start": 3457.88, "end": 3461.52, "text": " strategy has been the carpet bombing approach as well." }, { "start": 3461.52, "end": 3467.92, "text": " When they say 100 million Galaxy devices, that's Galaxy S1, Galaxy S2, Galaxy S3, but" }, { "start": 3467.92, "end": 3468.92, "text": " also..." }, { "start": 3468.92, "end": 3471.44, "text": " Right, but what Samsung does is they carpet bomb, but they only put their muscle behind" }, { "start": 3471.44, "end": 3473.96, "text": " the GS3 and a little bit of note." }, { "start": 3473.96, "end": 3474.96, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3474.96, "end": 3476.3599999999997, "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 3476.3599999999997, "end": 3477.64, "text": " And then the rest is trickle down." }, { "start": 3477.64, "end": 3479.2799999999997, "text": " It's trickle down economics, man." }, { "start": 3479.2799999999997, "end": 3482.08, "text": " Yeah, I mean, voodoo economics." }, { "start": 3482.08, "end": 3488.7599999999998, "text": " I'm just wondering, it kind of feels like there's a limited number of companies who" }, { "start": 3488.7599999999998, "end": 3495.72, "text": " will make a big splash at MWC, because Sony made a splash with the Xperia Z, or Z." }, { "start": 3495.72, "end": 3496.72, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3496.72, "end": 3498.36, "text": " Or Xperia Zebra, whatever." }, { "start": 3498.36, "end": 3503.92, "text": " Hopefully, I mean, if we don't hear anything before MWC, hopefully Sony will announce some" }, { "start": 3503.92, "end": 3506.72, "text": " carrier partnerships for that." }, { "start": 3506.72, "end": 3511.3199999999997, "text": " But I can't imagine them to announce another flagship device." }, { "start": 3511.32, "end": 3513.2000000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 3513.2000000000003, "end": 3516.2000000000003, "text": " So we're kind of stuck." }, { "start": 3516.2000000000003, "end": 3517.2000000000003, "text": " Who else is there?" }, { "start": 3517.2000000000003, "end": 3519.4, "text": " Motorola doesn't ever do anything at MWC." }, { "start": 3519.4, "end": 3520.4, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3520.4, "end": 3522.4, "text": " It'd be nice if that changed." }, { "start": 3522.4, "end": 3525.6000000000004, "text": " Yeah, I don't know if I see that happening." }, { "start": 3525.6000000000004, "end": 3526.6000000000004, "text": " I really don't." }, { "start": 3526.6000000000004, "end": 3527.6000000000004, "text": " But there's Nokia." }, { "start": 3527.6000000000004, "end": 3528.6000000000004, "text": " There's Nokia." }, { "start": 3528.6000000000004, "end": 3531.6000000000004, "text": " I guess if there's one thing to be intrigued about, yeah." }, { "start": 3531.6000000000004, "end": 3534.0800000000004, "text": " So HTC will do, obviously, an Android flagship." }, { "start": 3534.0800000000004, "end": 3539.28, "text": " They'll probably do yet another Windows phone device, I'm guessing." }, { "start": 3539.28, "end": 3547.28, "text": " But Nokia, there's been the Lumion 920 replacement rumor with an aluminum or aluminum back, aluminum" }, { "start": 3547.28, "end": 3548.28, "text": " construction." }, { "start": 3548.28, "end": 3555.36, "text": " So that could be interesting, you know, going back to the N8 slash E7 designs." }, { "start": 3555.36, "end": 3558.44, "text": " Way back in the day, with the fresh hardware." }, { "start": 3558.44, "end": 3560, "text": " Could be good." }, { "start": 3560, "end": 3561, "text": " Yeah, I can see Nokia." }, { "start": 3561, "end": 3565.6800000000003, "text": " I'm betting that Nokia wants to save something super flagship for a separate on their own" }, { "start": 3565.6800000000003, "end": 3566.88, "text": " event." }, { "start": 3566.88, "end": 3569.88, "text": " But I don't know." }, { "start": 3569.88, "end": 3570.88, "text": " We'll see." }, { "start": 3570.88, "end": 3571.88, "text": " I'm running out of steam." }, { "start": 3571.88, "end": 3572.88, "text": " How about you guys?" }, { "start": 3572.88, "end": 3578.12, "text": " I don't think I've got the energy to talk about ridiculous Apple China rumors that came" }, { "start": 3578.12, "end": 3579.88, "text": " out and then were immediately debunked." }, { "start": 3579.88, "end": 3581.88, "text": " Yeah, I don't care." }, { "start": 3581.88, "end": 3582.88, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3582.88, "end": 3583.88, "text": " There'll be something, maybe." }, { "start": 3583.88, "end": 3584.88, "text": " Who knows?" }, { "start": 3584.88, "end": 3585.88, "text": " Who cares?" }, { "start": 3585.88, "end": 3586.88, "text": " Some kind of iPhone China." }, { "start": 3586.88, "end": 3587.88, "text": " I mean, who knows?" }, { "start": 3587.88, "end": 3588.88, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3588.88, "end": 3596.2400000000002, "text": " Well, if we can dedicate a couple of minutes to Apple, I just want to make mention of the" }, { "start": 3596.24, "end": 3597.24, "text": " iPod touch." }, { "start": 3597.24, "end": 3605.2799999999997, "text": " I know it's really random, but I played around with my colleague Sam Byford's iPod touch." }, { "start": 3605.2799999999997, "end": 3609.24, "text": " He's got one of those most obscure devices in the world." }, { "start": 3609.24, "end": 3615.68, "text": " He's got a 64 gigabyte iPod touch, which he still feels really good about buying." }, { "start": 3615.68, "end": 3616.68, "text": " He should." }, { "start": 3616.68, "end": 3617.68, "text": " It's great." }, { "start": 3617.68, "end": 3618.68, "text": " Most people think it's crazy." }, { "start": 3618.68, "end": 3619.7999999999997, "text": " Well, he double fists with it." }, { "start": 3619.7999999999997, "end": 3624.3599999999997, "text": " He uses whatever phone, which I think he usually uses a Windows phone, and then he actually," }, { "start": 3624.36, "end": 3626.8, "text": " for apps, he carries around his iPod touch." }, { "start": 3626.8, "end": 3627.8, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 3627.8, "end": 3628.8, "text": " He's got a Lumia 920." }, { "start": 3628.8, "end": 3633.6400000000003, "text": " He uses a Lumia 920 for his phone and the iPod touch for all his apps and Apple stuff." }, { "start": 3633.6400000000003, "end": 3638.1200000000003, "text": " The thing is, I actually really love the design of that freaking thing." }, { "start": 3638.1200000000003, "end": 3639.1200000000003, "text": " It's great." }, { "start": 3639.1200000000003, "end": 3640.1200000000003, "text": " Yeah, it's gorgeous." }, { "start": 3640.1200000000003, "end": 3645.6, "text": " It's got a button that you can click in and out, which is what I did one afternoon in" }, { "start": 3645.6, "end": 3646.6, "text": " the trailer." }, { "start": 3646.6, "end": 3649.6, "text": " I just sat there and pressing the button on Sam's iPod touch." }, { "start": 3649.6, "end": 3652, "text": " How's that different from the iPhone?" }, { "start": 3652, "end": 3653, "text": " No, no." }, { "start": 3653, "end": 3654, "text": " For the loop." }, { "start": 3654, "end": 3655, "text": " You can click the back of it." }, { "start": 3655, "end": 3656, "text": " That's right there." }, { "start": 3656, "end": 3658.84, "text": " Then you click to open to put the loop in." }, { "start": 3658.84, "end": 3661.84, "text": " You double click it." }, { "start": 3661.84, "end": 3664.12, "text": " It's just very satisfying to click." }, { "start": 3664.12, "end": 3665.12, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3665.12, "end": 3666.12, "text": " I didn't know about that." }, { "start": 3666.12, "end": 3667.12, "text": " I didn't notice it." }, { "start": 3667.12, "end": 3674.52, "text": " Seriously, this new design and the curvature of the back and the sides is so much friendlier" }, { "start": 3674.52, "end": 3676.6, "text": " for holding it in the hand." }, { "start": 3676.6, "end": 3680.36, "text": " The first thing is, it's thinner than the iPhone, lighter than the iPhone." }, { "start": 3680.36, "end": 3684.36, "text": " The curvature of it and the feel of it in the hand is just much better in my opinion." }, { "start": 3684.36, "end": 3690.48, "text": " I was thinking, if Apple's next big redesign for the iPhone is to bring it in line with" }, { "start": 3690.48, "end": 3694.52, "text": " that design, maybe not as thin because it has to have a bigger battery, it has to have" }, { "start": 3694.52, "end": 3697.6400000000003, "text": " OT and those things." }, { "start": 3697.6400000000003, "end": 3699.1200000000003, "text": " I would be quite content with that." }, { "start": 3699.1200000000003, "end": 3701.2000000000003, "text": " I would consider that a significant upgrade." }, { "start": 3701.2000000000003, "end": 3704.6400000000003, "text": " What do you guys think?" }, { "start": 3704.6400000000003, "end": 3705.6400000000003, "text": " I agree." }, { "start": 3705.6400000000003, "end": 3707.1600000000003, "text": " Sorry, I got distracted by a link." }, { "start": 3707.1600000000003, "end": 3708.1600000000003, "text": " It's not your fault." }, { "start": 3708.16, "end": 3710.64, "text": " I completely agree with everything you just said." }, { "start": 3710.64, "end": 3714.04, "text": " You give me the thumbs up there." }, { "start": 3714.04, "end": 3715.04, "text": " Nice." }, { "start": 3715.04, "end": 3723.56, "text": " Anyway, now that Apple has our design ideas, I'm sure they're listening in as well." }, { "start": 3723.56, "end": 3724.56, "text": " Tim Cook has some." }, { "start": 3724.56, "end": 3725.56, "text": " Of course." }, { "start": 3725.56, "end": 3726.56, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 3726.56, "end": 3727.56, "text": " Tim Cook has signed a first time fellow." }, { "start": 3727.56, "end": 3729.92, "text": " It's known that they watch the Verge mobile show." }, { "start": 3729.92, "end": 3730.92, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3730.92, "end": 3735.44, "text": " It's also known that the Apple podcast app came out just for the Verge mobile show's" }, { "start": 3735.44, "end": 3736.44, "text": " sake." }, { "start": 3736.44, "end": 3737.44, "text": " God." }, { "start": 3737.44, "end": 3739.2400000000002, "text": " That app is the worst." }, { "start": 3739.2400000000002, "end": 3742.16, "text": " I hate it so hard." }, { "start": 3742.16, "end": 3745.92, "text": " And also it's known that if you want to find a Verge mobile show on iTunes, you have to" }, { "start": 3745.92, "end": 3750.08, "text": " look in the blues genre." }, { "start": 3750.08, "end": 3751.8, "text": " I think that was a mistake for CES." }, { "start": 3751.8, "end": 3752.8, "text": " We don't know how that happened." }, { "start": 3752.8, "end": 3753.8, "text": " We're sorry." }, { "start": 3753.8, "end": 3754.8, "text": " Sorry about that." }, { "start": 3754.8, "end": 3755.8, "text": " I think that was appropriate." }, { "start": 3755.8, "end": 3758.8, "text": " We tend to sing the blues most of the time anyway." }, { "start": 3758.8, "end": 3764.14, "text": " I think it was appropriate for that show that we shot because we were enjoying some libations" }, { "start": 3764.14, "end": 3766.36, "text": " and just jamming to some blues." }, { "start": 3766.36, "end": 3767.36, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3767.36, "end": 3768.96, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 3768.96, "end": 3771.36, "text": " That friends is the Verge mobile show." }, { "start": 3771.36, "end": 3776.44, "text": " Thank you so much for watching, for listening, to us talk about vegetables and to trailing" }, { "start": 3776.44, "end": 3779.96, "text": " off so that we can crash and die in our beds." }, { "start": 3779.96, "end": 3782.6800000000003, "text": " If you want to follow us on Twitter, you can and should." }, { "start": 3782.6800000000003, "end": 3783.6800000000003, "text": " I'm Backlund." }, { "start": 3783.6800000000003, "end": 3784.6800000000003, "text": " Vlad is Vlad Savov." }, { "start": 3784.6800000000003, "end": 3786.6400000000003, "text": " Chris is DC Seifert with an EI." }, { "start": 3786.6400000000003, "end": 3791.1600000000003, "text": " Chris Ziegler who is already dead in his bed is ZPower." }, { "start": 3791.1600000000003, "end": 3793.7200000000003, "text": " And we're all at Verge." }, { "start": 3793.7200000000003, "end": 3794.7200000000003, "text": " And we've got an email address." }, { "start": 3794.72, "end": 3796.68, "text": " That is DC Seifert by the way." }, { "start": 3796.68, "end": 3797.68, "text": " Chris Ziegler." }, { "start": 3797.68, "end": 3798.68, "text": " Did I screw that up?" }, { "start": 3798.68, "end": 3799.68, "text": " Did I flip that?" }, { "start": 3799.68, "end": 3800.68, "text": " Whatever." }, { "start": 3800.68, "end": 3801.68, "text": " Whatever." }, { "start": 3801.68, "end": 3802.68, "text": " We're tired." }, { "start": 3802.68, "end": 3803.68, "text": " Goodbye everybody." }, { "start": 3803.68, "end": 3805.24, "text": " Thanks so much for watching and we'll be back next week." }, { "start": 3805.24, "end": 3806.24, "text": " Who knows?" }, { "start": 3806.24, "end": 3807.24, "text": " Maybe." }, { "start": 3807.24, "end": 3808.24, "text": " Possibly." }, { "start": 3808.24, "end": 3809.24, "text": " Later." }, { "start": 3809.24, "end": 3828.24, "text": " Bye guys." } ]

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something you know constructive or entertaining and I think that the" }, { "start": 454.2, "end": 462, "text": " culture has lost something by by losing these what I'd call loosely formed club" }, { "start": 462, "end": 469.44, "text": " houses I think that there's a very big opportunity in creating a new kind of" }, { "start": 469.44, "end": 476.4, "text": " arcade new kind of experience it's maybe not your definition of an arcade but it" }, { "start": 476.4, "end": 501.32, "text": " will give the arcade kind of experience to players in the future" } ]

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397.5, "end": 400.12, "text": " It's not just the cameras, it's the data." }, { "start": 400.12, "end": 402.04, "text": " And cameras now are data." }, { "start": 402.04, "end": 403.04, "text": " So it's all data." }, { "start": 403.04, "end": 409.44, "text": " It's just learning to understand that data is important." }, { "start": 409.44, "end": 412.48, "text": " We're here at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas, Nevada." }, { "start": 412.48, "end": 417.12, "text": " We're about to take a walk through on the showroom floor and see what kind of objects" }, { "start": 417.12, "end": 422.72, "text": " or devices we can find that could be used to cheat at gambling." }, { "start": 422.72, "end": 429.6, "text": " So when I look at something like this, I don't see a cheating device yet." }, { "start": 429.6, "end": 433.12, "text": " But I see a cheating device a couple of years from now." }, { "start": 433.12, "end": 436.64000000000004, "text": " And maybe there's a company out there 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473.40000000000003, "end": 479.04, "text": " And that's all everything in this room does is move information from one place to another." }, { "start": 479.04, "end": 483.92, "text": " Information management is all it is at the end of the day." }, { "start": 483.92, "end": 487.44, "text": " I've had a lot of people ask me what draws me to all of this stuff." }, { "start": 487.44, "end": 495.96000000000004, "text": " And at the end of the day, there is some sort of kind of cool James Bond and Q quality to" }, { "start": 495.96000000000004, "end": 498.44, "text": " some of these devices." }, { "start": 498.44, "end": 503, "text": " I think most of us have seen a James Bond movie where Desmond Llewellyn or whoever is" }, { "start": 503, "end": 507.52, "text": " playing Q these days says, pay attention 007, and he shows him the watch with the laser" }, { "start": 507.52, "end": 508.56, "text": " beam." }, { "start": 508.56, "end": 513.28, "text": " And there's something in all of us that kind of goes, I'd like to have one of those." }, { "start": 513.28, "end": 516.8, "text": " And you kind of have to leverage that with the fact that most of this stuff has been" }, { "start": 516.8, "end": 519.04, "text": " designed to rip people off." }, { "start": 519.04, "end": 524.92, "text": " So I don't necessarily approve of the morality of these devices, but I approve of the ingenuity" }, { "start": 524.92, "end": 526.16, "text": " of these devices." }, { "start": 526.16, "end": 534.4, "text": " I think most people feel that if you can find a way to beat a casino, more power to you." }, { "start": 534.4, "end": 535.7199999999999, "text": " Most people respect that." }, { "start": 535.7199999999999, "end": 537.7199999999999, "text": " It doesn't matter who they are." }, { "start": 537.7199999999999, "end": 539.0799999999999, "text": " We're never going to be ahead." }, { "start": 539.0799999999999, "end": 540.0799999999999, "text": " That's just the way it is." }, { "start": 540.0799999999999, "end": 542.9599999999999, "text": " The cheats may succeed, but once they do it, then we go full in." }, { "start": 542.9599999999999, "end": 547.1, "text": " Anyway, if it happened at another property, we're going to know everything about it and" }, { "start": 547.1, "end": 548.16, "text": " stop it here." }, { "start": 548.16, "end": 554.6, "text": " I think almost everybody has a certain amount of compulsive gamble in them." }, { "start": 554.6, "end": 556.32, "text": " I mean, life itself is a gamble." }, { "start": 556.32, "end": 558.16, "text": " You get out of bed in the morning, it's a gamble." }, { "start": 558.16, "end": 559.16, "text": " You have no idea." }, { "start": 559.16, "end": 563.28, "text": " You know, if you go find a new job, that's a gamble." }, { "start": 563.28, "end": 564.72, "text": " You get married, it's a gamble." }, { "start": 564.72, "end": 566.5, "text": " You have kids, it's a gamble." }, { "start": 566.5, "end": 568.88, "text": " You buy a dog, it's a gamble." }, { "start": 568.88, "end": 571.2, "text": " Everything you do in life is gambling." }, { "start": 571.2, "end": 578.44, "text": " It's not the same as drinking, where you don't have to drink to live." }, { "start": 578.44, "end": 579.8000000000001, "text": " You have to gamble to live." }, { "start": 579.8000000000001, "end": 581.12, "text": " You have to take a chance." }, { "start": 581.12, "end": 582.6800000000001, "text": " You've got to take a risk." }, { "start": 582.68, "end": 586.4, "text": " And anybody who thinks like, you know, yeah, but what if I could do it good enough to make" }, { "start": 586.4, "end": 587.4, "text": " money?" }, { "start": 587.4, "end": 588.68, "text": " Everybody would find that attractive." }, { "start": 588.68, "end": 591.16, "text": " It's like, gee, that's like the ideal lifestyle." }, { "start": 591.16, "end": 613.28, "text": " I can go play cards and go home with money in my pocket." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 22.16, "text": " Hello and welcome to Top Shelf." }, { "start": 22.16, "end": 27.240000000000002, "text": " This is our daily afternoon show about all the gadgets and gizmos and all the weird stuff" }, { "start": 27.240000000000002, "end": 28.240000000000002, "text": " we found at CES." }, { "start": 28.240000000000002, "end": 29.32, "text": " And there's a lot of it." }, { "start": 29.32, "end": 33.12, "text": " I was actually out on the show floor for like two and a half hours yesterday and it was" }, { "start": 33.12, "end": 36.84, "text": " the most exhausting thing I've ever done in my life, just trying to look at things." }, { "start": 36.84, "end": 39.44, "text": " Here to talk about it all with me is my long lost co-host." }, { "start": 39.44, "end": 40.96, "text": " I missed you yesterday." }, { "start": 40.96, "end": 41.96, "text": " Neil Ipatel." }, { "start": 41.96, "end": 42.96, "text": " Welcome back." }, { "start": 42.96, "end": 43.96, "text": " You think you're so handsome." }, { "start": 43.96, "end": 44.96, "text": " I just..." }, { "start": 44.96, "end": 45.96, "text": " And you're right." }, { "start": 45.96, "end": 48.84, "text": " That's what you think, saying really nice things in a really threatening, ominous way." }, { "start": 48.84, "end": 49.84, "text": " I like that." }, { "start": 49.84, "end": 50.84, "text": " You did a good job." }, { "start": 50.84, "end": 53.24, "text": " I kind of, I want to cry right now." }, { "start": 53.24, "end": 54.24, "text": " I would like to cry." }, { "start": 54.24, "end": 55.24, "text": " How are you?" }, { "start": 55.24, "end": 56.24, "text": " People." }, { "start": 56.24, "end": 59.08, "text": " I'm very tired so I hope you're ready for a free form journey into my body." }, { "start": 59.08, "end": 60.8, "text": " It was Kesha last night." }, { "start": 60.8, "end": 63.08, "text": " Just ruined you forever." }, { "start": 63.08, "end": 65.67999999999999, "text": " You didn't come down from Kesha until about ten minutes ago." }, { "start": 65.67999999999999, "end": 66.67999999999999, "text": " Yeah, pretty much." }, { "start": 66.67999999999999, "end": 67.67999999999999, "text": " Also I watched..." }, { "start": 67.67999999999999, "end": 68.67999999999999, "text": " The four minutes of Kesha." }, { "start": 68.67999999999999, "end": 69.67999999999999, "text": " I watched Josh watch Blackjack." }, { "start": 69.67999999999999, "end": 74.03999999999999, "text": " And then he was just, I don't know if that's something you want to..." }, { "start": 74.03999999999999, "end": 75.03999999999999, "text": " No, not feeling the Blackjack." }, { "start": 75.03999999999999, "end": 77.75999999999999, "text": " And then you let Michael, Michael Shane won like $300." }, { "start": 77.75999999999999, "end": 78.75999999999999, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 78.75999999999999, "end": 79.75999999999999, "text": " Good for Michael Shane." }, { "start": 79.75999999999999, "end": 80.75999999999999, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 80.75999999999999, "end": 83, "text": " I have always lost thousands of dollars playing Blackjack." }, { "start": 83, "end": 85.12, "text": " I don't think I've ever want to handle Blackjack in my life." }, { "start": 85.12, "end": 86.12, "text": " That's a fun fact." }, { "start": 86.12, "end": 91.16000000000001, "text": " One time our operations assistant, Leah, was there playing and she had this like, essentially" }, { "start": 91.16000000000001, "end": 95.16000000000001, "text": " like a bio computer of nerds behind her telling her exactly what to do." }, { "start": 95.16000000000001, "end": 98.24000000000001, "text": " And she won $700 in four hands, like immediately." }, { "start": 98.24000000000001, "end": 101.52000000000001, "text": " But it was only because of this like brain trust of nerds being like, I don't know, I" }, { "start": 101.52000000000001, "end": 102.52000000000001, "text": " have to do some calculations." }, { "start": 102.52000000000001, "end": 103.52000000000001, "text": " Like Watson sitting behind you." }, { "start": 103.52000000000001, "end": 104.52000000000001, "text": " Yeah, it was amazing." }, { "start": 104.52000000000001, "end": 105.52000000000001, "text": " Everyone else was so mad." }, { "start": 105.52000000000001, "end": 106.52000000000001, "text": " That's awesome." }, { "start": 106.52000000000001, "end": 107.52000000000001, "text": " But then we took our money and we ran away." }, { "start": 107.52000000000001, "end": 110.52000000000001, "text": " And then we spent the money at other places." }, { "start": 110.52000000000001, "end": 112.52000000000001, "text": " And then they kicked you out and tried to beat you up." }, { "start": 112.52000000000001, "end": 113.52000000000001, "text": " Then the casino." }, { "start": 113.52000000000001, "end": 114.52000000000001, "text": " Now they're making a movie." }, { "start": 114.52000000000001, "end": 115.52000000000001, "text": " It's a whole thing." }, { "start": 115.52, "end": 118.08, "text": " And so anyway, there's lots of news to talk about." }, { "start": 118.08, "end": 121.44, "text": " This is day, I don't know, day 50." }, { "start": 121.44, "end": 122.44, "text": " How long have we been here?" }, { "start": 122.44, "end": 123.44, "text": " Like a thousand years." }, { "start": 123.44, "end": 124.44, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 124.44, "end": 125.44, "text": " But it's like the last full day of CES." }, { "start": 125.44, "end": 126.44, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 126.44, "end": 127.44, "text": " And it's our last show actually." }, { "start": 127.44, "end": 128.44, "text": " It is." }, { "start": 128.44, "end": 129.44, "text": " It's our last show." }, { "start": 129.44, "end": 130.44, "text": " CES is kind of." }, { "start": 130.44, "end": 131.44, "text": " I'm going to miss you." }, { "start": 131.44, "end": 132.44, "text": " I'm going to miss you too." }, { "start": 132.44, "end": 133.44, "text": " CES is kind of winding down." }, { "start": 133.44, "end": 134.44, "text": " It's still, there's still, what is it?" }, { "start": 134.44, "end": 136.44, "text": " Like 160,000 people here." }, { "start": 136.44, "end": 137.44, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 137.44, "end": 139.6, "text": " But the actual news, the cool new stuff is all sort of out there." }, { "start": 139.6, "end": 140.6, "text": " It's all been done." }, { "start": 140.6, "end": 142.35999999999999, "text": " Yeah, we've seen it all." }, { "start": 142.36, "end": 145.96, "text": " So what we're going to do is talk about some of the biggest things that happened and some" }, { "start": 145.96, "end": 147.60000000000002, "text": " of the bigger trends and cooler stuff." }, { "start": 147.60000000000002, "end": 148.60000000000002, "text": " And there's actually a lot." }, { "start": 148.60000000000002, "end": 154.52, "text": " You know, I think the biggest overarching trend here is the rise of the indie hardware" }, { "start": 154.52, "end": 158.4, "text": " startup and how many of them there are." }, { "start": 158.4, "end": 160.8, "text": " A lot of them are funded by Kickstarter and Indiegogo." }, { "start": 160.8, "end": 161.96, "text": " Adrian did a great report on that." }, { "start": 161.96, "end": 162.96, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 162.96, "end": 166.68, "text": " So a lot of the biggest stuff we saw this week wasn't from Samsung or Sony or Panasonic." }, { "start": 166.68, "end": 170.28000000000003, "text": " They all had these big kind of, would you call them busts?" }, { "start": 170.28, "end": 173.92, "text": " I kind of want to call their press conferences busts where they were like, you know, big" }, { "start": 173.92, "end": 175.72, "text": " bombastic in their like 4k TVs." }, { "start": 175.72, "end": 180.84, "text": " And like, that's cool, but nothing is really, you know, life changing, blowing my mind with" }, { "start": 180.84, "end": 181.84, "text": " possibilities." }, { "start": 181.84, "end": 182.84, "text": " I keep comparing it." }, { "start": 182.84, "end": 184.48, "text": " I don't know why this keeps coming up to me, but like two or three years ago there was" }, { "start": 184.48, "end": 188.36, "text": " a, Seuss was here and they put out like 500 concepts in the press conference." }, { "start": 188.36, "end": 189.36, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 189.36, "end": 190.36, "text": " It was exciting and weird." }, { "start": 190.36, "end": 191.36, "text": " And it's like, who is this company?" }, { "start": 191.36, "end": 192.88, "text": " And like, what are they talking about?" }, { "start": 192.88, "end": 196.44, "text": " I literally don't know what you're talking about, but that phone looks cool." }, { "start": 196.44, "end": 198.04, "text": " And that, there wasn't a lot of that this year." }, { "start": 198.04, "end": 200.08, "text": " I think Samsung showed off like a curved display phone." }, { "start": 200.08, "end": 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251.72, "text": " But he's standing outside." }, { "start": 251.72, "end": 254.04, "text": " He is standing outside, not on the internet at this moment." }, { "start": 254.04, "end": 255.04, "text": " That's very important." }, { "start": 255.04, "end": 256.04, "text": " Paul, you went to iRobot, right?" }, { "start": 256.04, "end": 257.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 257.04, "end": 258.04, "text": " Paul, you're a bolt not on the internet." }, { "start": 258.04, "end": 259.04, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 259.04, "end": 260.04, "text": " I went to iRobot, yes." }, { "start": 260.04, "end": 261.84000000000003, "text": " We know we have heat on the internet." }, { "start": 261.84000000000003, "end": 264.64000000000004, "text": " So tell us, what did you see at iRobot?" }, { "start": 264.64000000000004, "end": 266.44, "text": " What's iRobot up to now?" }, { "start": 266.44, "end": 271.44, "text": " Well so, they got a new pool cleaning robot, which is exciting." }, { "start": 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"start": 468.18, "end": 469.59999999999997, "text": " So there's still a lot to figure out." }, { "start": 469.59999999999997, "end": 471.24, "text": " It's going to need a laser weapon of some kind." }, { "start": 471.24, "end": 472.24, "text": " But they're on the path." }, { "start": 472.24, "end": 474.32, "text": " Yeah, laser weapon for sure." }, { "start": 474.32, "end": 479.91999999999996, "text": " But there are a lot of developments lately that are getting closer." }, { "start": 479.91999999999996, "end": 480.91999999999996, "text": " So here's my question." }, { "start": 480.92, "end": 486.44, "text": " I went to LG's booth yesterday and they were like, we have an unprecedented new robot," }, { "start": 486.44, "end": 487.56, "text": " robot vacuum." }, { "start": 487.56, "end": 488.56, "text": " It's a square." }, { "start": 488.56, "end": 489.56, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 489.56, "end": 491.56, "text": " And it's like, it's literally a square." }, { "start": 491.56, "end": 494.12, "text": " And they're like, you've never seen a vacuum like this before." }, { "start": 494.12, "end": 495.12, "text": " And you're like, that's true." }, { "start": 495.12, "end": 496.12, "text": " I have not." }, { "start": 496.12, "end": 497.12, "text": " It's like, this one's a square." }, { "start": 497.12, "end": 498.6, "text": " I mean, like, are those companies a threat to iRobot?" }, { "start": 498.6, "end": 501.8, "text": " Do they represent actual competition to this company?" }, { "start": 501.8, "end": 504.36, "text": " And can somebody get this done in less than 10 years?" }, { "start": 504.36, "end": 505.36, "text": " That's my big question." }, { "start": 505.36, "end": 506.84000000000003, "text": " And can somebody make something that isn't a vacuum cleaner?" }, { "start": 506.84000000000003, "end": 507.84000000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 507.84000000000003, "end": 510.04, "text": " Well, iRobot actually just bought another company." }, { "start": 510.04, "end": 514.36, "text": " I think it's Evolution Robotics, which makes the Mint, which is square." }, { "start": 514.36, "end": 518.38, "text": " The Mint is like a Swiffer robot." }, { "start": 518.38, "end": 520.08, "text": " So you put a Swiffer pad on it." }, { "start": 520.08, "end": 523.64, "text": " And it uses different technology for navigation." }, { "start": 523.64, "end": 529.28, "text": " And so iRobot bought them for that product, which I think was a successful product." }, { "start": 529.28, "end": 532.22, "text": " It's a little cheaper than iRobot's own products." }, { "start": 532.22, "end": 537.72, "text": " But also intellectual property." }, { "start": 537.72, "end": 540.5400000000001, "text": " I think there's sort of a race is on." }, { "start": 540.5400000000001, "end": 547.64, "text": " And Colin Angle talks about how he sees a robot, like there being a robot butler." }, { "start": 547.64, "end": 551.52, "text": " And you won't have to manage the little robots that are doing your little chores around the" }, { "start": 551.52, "end": 554.08, "text": " house." }, { "start": 554.08, "end": 556.62, "text": " You'll engage with a robot butler." }, { "start": 556.62, "end": 560.48, "text": " The thing is, is that we are engaging with robot butlers right now on our phones, like" }, { "start": 560.48, "end": 562.84, "text": " with Siri and Google Now." }, { "start": 562.84, "end": 567.72, "text": " And Colin Angle admits iRobot is not in the business of developing that sort of artificial" }, { "start": 567.72, "end": 568.72, "text": " intelligence." }, { "start": 568.72, "end": 573.5600000000001, "text": " They're in manipulation and navigation and that sort of stuff." }, { "start": 573.5600000000001, "end": 580.6, "text": " So we might just be controlling our smart homes with our phones, like we saw at LG." }, { "start": 580.6, "end": 583.74, "text": " You touch your phone through the washer and dryer." }, { "start": 583.74, 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}, { "start": 623.36, "end": 627.68, "text": " I just have to make it 10 years and then I get one of these things." }, { "start": 627.68, "end": 631.68, "text": " Colin Angle says, you know, everybody always says 10 years, that's a robotics cliche." }, { "start": 631.68, "end": 634.4, "text": " Oh, it'll be in 10 years and then it never happens." }, { "start": 634.4, "end": 636.16, "text": " Colin Angle says he never says that." }, { "start": 636.16, "end": 637.56, "text": " So he's really serious this time." }, { "start": 637.56, "end": 638.56, "text": " 10 years." }, { "start": 638.56, "end": 639.56, "text": " 10 years." }, { "start": 639.56, "end": 640.56, "text": " I'm writing it down." }, { "start": 640.56, "end": 641.56, "text": " What's the date?" }, { "start": 641.56, "end": 642.56, "text": " I don't know what the date is." }, { "start": 642.56, "end": 643.56, "text": " 10 years from this." }, { "start": 643.56, "end": 645.0799999999999, "text": " May 10th, 2013." }, { "start": 645.0799999999999, "end": 648.2399999999999, "text": " If I can't buy one, burning the building down." }, { "start": 648.2399999999999, "end": 649.2399999999999, "text": " All of the buildings." }, { "start": 649.2399999999999, "end": 652.0799999999999, "text": " Paul, thanks so much for joining us." }, { "start": 652.0799999999999, "end": 653.0799999999999, "text": " Thanks guys." }, { "start": 653.0799999999999, "end": 656.3599999999999, "text": " So do you want to roll, like I want to roll out really bad." }, { "start": 656.3599999999999, "end": 658.5999999999999, "text": " I had a room but it was so broken that I didn't." }, { "start": 658.5999999999999, "end": 661.92, "text": " My favorite thing that I've seen is the DJ Roombas where you just put a speaker on top" }, { "start": 661.92, "end": 662.92, "text": " of a Roomba." }, { "start": 662.92, "end": 663.92, "text": " It's not an actual thing." }, { "start": 663.92, "end": 666.3599999999999, "text": " You just put a speaker on top of a Roomba and it just goes around playing music." }, { "start": 666.3599999999999, "end": 667.3599999999999, "text": " I could get into that." }, { "start": 667.3599999999999, "end": 668.3599999999999, "text": " That seems amazing." }, { "start": 668.3599999999999, "end": 671.0799999999999, "text": " I mean, but that's not even a Roomba, that's just a speaker that doesn't, that like bumps" }, { "start": 671.0799999999999, "end": 672.0799999999999, "text": " into things hilariously." }, { "start": 672.08, "end": 676.2, "text": " I don't know, you say that like it's not the greatest thing in the world." }, { "start": 676.2, "end": 677.2, "text": " Fair, fine." }, { "start": 677.2, "end": 680.36, "text": " So one of the other things we've seen a lot of is like different ways." }, { "start": 680.36, "end": 681.64, "text": " Don't you dare contradict me." }, { "start": 681.64, "end": 682.64, "text": " I'll go, I'm sorry." }, { "start": 682.64, "end": 687.0400000000001, "text": " One 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"start": 964.84, "end": 965.84, "text": " You were busy gambling." }, { "start": 965.84, "end": 966.84, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 966.84, "end": 967.84, "text": " Busy gambling." }, { "start": 967.84, "end": 968.84, "text": " I gambled in your honor." }, { "start": 968.84, "end": 969.84, "text": " I poured one out for you." }, { "start": 969.84, "end": 970.84, "text": " I appreciate that." }, { "start": 970.84, "end": 971.84, "text": " I appreciate that." }, { "start": 971.84, "end": 972.84, "text": " So what were you actually doing?" }, { "start": 972.84, "end": 976.72, "text": " So I was deeply embedded in the world of auto journalism, which is a very foreign thing" }, { "start": 976.72, "end": 977.72, "text": " for us." }, { "start": 977.72, "end": 978.72, "text": " But no, it was great." }, { "start": 978.72, "end": 984.5600000000001, "text": " I checked out, Lexus had a self-driving car here that they didn't actually demo, but they've" }, { "start": 984.5600000000001, "end": 991.0400000000001, "text": " been demonstrating it privately in both Japan and in Ann Arbor, Michigan, which is where" }, { "start": 991.0400000000001, "end": 993.0400000000001, "text": " Trina is located, which is their research arm." }, { "start": 993.0400000000001, "end": 996.52, "text": " They've been doing that for the past five years and they just showed it for the first" }, { "start": 996.52, "end": 998.6, "text": " time publicly here." }, { "start": 998.6, "end": 1003.76, "text": " And then we checked out Audi, which eventually they're going to get to true self-driving" }, { "start": 1003.76, "end": 1006.76, "text": " cars, but in the short term they're doing what they're calling a self-parking car." }, { "start": 1006.76, "end": 1010.88, "text": " It's basically you walk outside your hotel, you press a button on your smartphone and" }, { "start": 1010.88, "end": 1015.16, "text": " the car creeps around the corner at 2.1 miles an hour or something." }, { "start": 1015.16, "end": 1017.6, "text": " Which for the record is just astonishingly slow." }, { "start": 1017.6, "end": 1018.6, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 1018.6, "end": 1019.6, "text": " Right, but it's awesome." }, { "start": 1019.6, "end": 1020.6, "text": " The video you guys made is awesome." }, { "start": 1020.6, "end": 1021.6, "text": " Yeah, it's, I mean, it's-" }, { "start": 1021.6, "end": 1022.6, "text": " Can you say shields?" }, { "start": 1022.6, "end": 1023.6, "text": " Shields." }, { "start": 1023.6, "end": 1031.52, "text": " You could, but I wouldn't, if you said shields, I still wouldn't go into an area with gunfire." }, { "start": 1031.52, "end": 1032.52, "text": " I wouldn't do it." }, { "start": 1032.52, "end": 1036.36, "text": " That's the best in Batman, the first Batman." }, { "start": 1036.36, "end": 1038.08, "text": " Oh yeah, yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 1038.08, "end": 1039.08, "text": " When the Batmobile-" }, { "start": 1039.08, "end": 1043.8799999999999, "text": " He's 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what they're trying to do here." }, { "start": 1160.76, "end": 1162.98, "text": " Let me ask you the real question." }, { "start": 1162.98, "end": 1164.96, "text": " It's not whether I'm going to buy a Google car." }, { "start": 1164.96, "end": 1168.54, "text": " It's whether this technology, it's not even whether it's legalized." }, { "start": 1168.54, "end": 1174.1599999999999, "text": " If there's demand for it, if people want it, the legal stuff will get sorted out." }, { "start": 1174.1599999999999, "end": 1177.76, "text": " Maybe it'll be a little bit slower than we'd like, but it will definitely get sorted out." }, { "start": 1177.76, "end": 1182.4199999999998, "text": " But without the demand, there's no reason for Congress to spend its time talking about" }, { "start": 1182.42, "end": 1184.24, "text": " self-driving cars, right?" }, { "start": 1184.24, "end": 1188, "text": " That's true, but I would also argue that there are many things that people want that aren't" }, { "start": 1188, "end": 1189, "text": " legal." }, { "start": 1189, "end": 1190, "text": " I mean..." }, { "start": 1190, "end": 1191, "text": " That's fair." }, { "start": 1191, "end": 1192, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1192, "end": 1196.24, "text": " Well, so actually, I mean, let's talk about some of this legal stuff because it's like" }, { "start": 1196.24, "end": 1198.48, "text": " we're not going to get anywhere until we figure this out, right?" }, { "start": 1198.48, "end": 1204, "text": " And so Russell Brandom, who's been a busy guy this week, has been out, has written some" }, { "start": 1204, "end": 1208.8400000000001, "text": " stuff on us, for us about this before, and is actually here in a totally different place" }, { "start": 1208.8400000000001, "end": 1212.0800000000002, "text": " from where Paul was a few minutes ago, just to be very clear about that." }, { "start": 1212.08, "end": 1217.48, "text": " But so Russell, tell us a little bit about some of the big legal 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"text": " How do you do sort of any of the things people do to get driver's licenses?" }, { "start": 1246.4, "end": 1251.2, "text": " Well, it seems to me that the bigger problem is, I mean, you could, I'm sure you could" }, { "start": 1251.2, "end": 1255.52, "text": " develop a certification program for robot cars, but our laws are punitive." }, { "start": 1255.52, "end": 1257.6000000000001, "text": " When you make a mistake, we punish you." }, { "start": 1257.6000000000001, "end": 1258.6000000000001, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1258.6000000000001, "end": 1261.3600000000001, "text": " And it's like, how do you punish a robot driver for making the wrong decision?" }, { "start": 1261.3600000000001, "end": 1262.3600000000001, "text": " You can just be like, what?" }, { "start": 1262.3600000000001, "end": 1263.3600000000001, "text": " I was sitting in the passenger seat." }, { "start": 1263.3600000000001, "end": 1265.88, "text": " It's like, your robot blew the stop sign." }, { "start": 1265.88, "end": 1271.28, "text": " Like, bad robot." }, { "start": 1271.28, "end": 1273.24, "text": " So what's the situation with that stuff?" }, { "start": 1273.24, "end": 1277.52, "text": " Well, the concern is that you sue the person who made the robot driver, right?" }, { "start": 1277.52, "end": 1281.3999999999999, "text": " So if it was, you know, if it was this..." }, { "start": 1281.3999999999999, "end": 1286.24, "text": " This is why I think companies like Lexus are being so careful is because they don't want" }, { "start": 1286.24, "end": 1291.3999999999999, "text": " me to say, oh, I thought the Lexus was going to sort of drive for me and it would be fine." }, { "start": 1291.3999999999999, "end": 1296.6, "text": " And if you get in that paradigm, then anything it does, Lexus could potentially be liable" }, { "start": 1296.6, "end": 1297.6, "text": " for." }, { "start": 1297.6, "end": 1302.8799999999999, "text": " So you sort of don't know until people start suing each other, but it's also, you know," }, { "start": 1302.8799999999999, "end": 1307.3999999999999, "text": " a $50 billion, like auto liability lawsuits are $50 billion a year." }, { "start": 1307.3999999999999, "end": 1308.3999999999999, "text": " It's huge." }, { "start": 1308.3999999999999, "end": 1312.76, "text": " And so there's really, it's kind of a dangerous pool to wade into." }, { "start": 1312.76, "end": 1314.52, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 1314.52, "end": 1315.8, "text": " I would just blame the robot." }, { "start": 1315.8, "end": 1316.8, "text": " I'm sure." }, { "start": 1316.8, "end": 1319.6, "text": " Look, what we need to do is develop robots that have feelings." }, { "start": 1319.6, "end": 1320.6, "text": " And then you can blame them." }, { "start": 1320.6, "end": 1321.6, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1321.6, "end": 1323.32, "text": " And then you can blame them and they'll feel bad about what they've done." }, { "start": 1323.32, "end": 1327.04, "text": " I mean, that's actually, I think the most interesting of all the robot stuff." }, { "start": 1327.04, "end": 1331, "text": " Like no one worries about the legal implications of a vacuum cleaner that can like bounce around" }, { "start": 1331, "end": 1332, "text": " your house." }, { "start": 1332, "end": 1335.76, "text": " Once you put things in like a two ton car and say, don't worry about it, the robot," }, { "start": 1335.76, "end": 1337, "text": " it'll take care of it." }, { "start": 1337, "end": 1340.04, "text": " And they're very careful to not call them robots, right?" }, { "start": 1340.04, "end": 1341.04, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1341.04, "end": 1348.44, "text": " Actually the head of Audi's R&D lab, Wolfgang Durrheimer said that we are not out to compete" }, { "start": 1348.44, "end": 1349.44, "text": " with the robot industry." }, { "start": 1349.44, "end": 1352.44, "text": " Which I thought was a very interesting way of putting it." }, { "start": 1352.44, "end": 1353.44, "text": " Check out this robot we built." }, { "start": 1353.44, "end": 1354.44, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1354.44, "end": 1355.44, "text": " Check out this robot." }, { "start": 1355.44, "end": 1359.2, "text": " Yeah, it's going to be many, many years until they figure out exactly how this is going" }, { "start": 1359.2, "end": 1360.2, "text": " to work." }, { "start": 1360.2, "end": 1362.28, "text": " And they're all saying, look, this is decades away." }, { "start": 1362.28, "end": 1363.8400000000001, "text": " We're just, we're putting stuff together." }, { "start": 1363.8400000000001, "end": 1366.1200000000001, "text": " Lexus is like, oh, we're showing safety features." }, { "start": 1366.1200000000001, "end": 1367.72, "text": " It's just in the package of a self-driving car." }, { "start": 1367.72, "end": 1368.72, "text": " Don't worry about it." }, { "start": 1368.72, "end": 1370.44, "text": " But they're, you know, this is not anytime soon." }, { "start": 1370.44, "end": 1372.1200000000001, "text": " Well, and how does it ever get done?" }, { "start": 1372.1200000000001, "end": 1374.52, "text": " Because it seems to me that like the- It's already happening, right?" }, { "start": 1374.52, "end": 1378.28, "text": " There's a handful of states, I think Nevada is one of them, where Google has just put" }, { "start": 1378.28, "end": 1379.48, "text": " its car on the road here." }, { "start": 1379.48, "end": 1380.48, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1380.48, "end": 1381.48, "text": " But again, there are no laws here." }, { "start": 1381.48, "end": 1382.48, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1382.48, "end": 1386.1200000000001, "text": " You can't just like drive to a brothel while drinking, you know, like it doesn't matter" }, { "start": 1386.1200000000001, "end": 1387.1200000000001, "text": " what you do here." }, { "start": 1387.1200000000001, "end": 1388.1200000000001, "text": " That's why I love Las Vegas." }, { "start": 1388.1200000000001, 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1418.96, "end": 1419.96, "text": " That's kind of a depressing way to think about it." }, { "start": 1419.96, "end": 1420.96, "text": " I would too." }, { "start": 1420.96, "end": 1423.28, "text": " And I think, I think the answer for the industry is to say, look, this will make the roads" }, { "start": 1423.28, "end": 1424.28, "text": " actually safer." }, { "start": 1424.28, "end": 1425.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1425.28, "end": 1426.28, "text": " And they've got to get there." }, { "start": 1426.28, "end": 1431.3600000000001, "text": " They've got to prove to people that a high waste flow of self-driving cars will be safer" }, { "start": 1431.3600000000001, "end": 1434.3600000000001, "text": " than like my distracted cashel listening." }, { "start": 1434.3600000000001, "end": 1435.3600000000001, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1435.3600000000001, "end": 1439.1200000000001, "text": " But they also have to somehow remove all liability from themselves or else they're never going" }, { "start": 1439.12, "end": 1440.7199999999998, "text": " to want to play the game." }, { "start": 1440.7199999999998, "end": 1441.7199999999998, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1441.7199999999998, "end": 1445.9599999999998, "text": " Because if I'm, as long as I'm able to blame Lexus, Lexus is going to, yeah, we're all," }, { "start": 1445.9599999999998, "end": 1446.9599999999998, "text": " we're going down." }, { "start": 1446.9599999999998, "end": 1448.1999999999998, "text": " No, I agree with you." }, { "start": 1448.1999999999998, "end": 1450.6, "text": " It's got to get mapped out, but we'll see how it goes." }, { "start": 1450.6, "end": 1451.6, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1451.6, "end": 1452.6, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 1452.6, "end": 1453.6, "text": " So we have, we have one more demo." }, { "start": 1453.6, "end": 1454.9199999999998, "text": " Russell, thank you so much for talking to us." }, { "start": 1454.9199999999998, "end": 1458.08, "text": " And I'm now kind of depressed about self-driving cars." }, { "start": 1458.08, "end": 1459.08, "text": " They're awesome." }, { "start": 1459.08, "end": 1460.56, "text": " I feel like I'm never going to get one." }, { "start": 1460.56, "end": 1461.56, "text": " I'm only here to depress you." }, { "start": 1461.56, "end": 1462.56, "text": " Thank you." }, { "start": 1462.56, "end": 1463.56, "text": " Thank you both for that." }, { "start": 1463.56, "end": 1464.56, "text": " Anytime." }, { "start": 1464.56, "end": 1467.6399999999999, "text": " But so there's one more demo we have left." }, { "start": 1467.64, "end": 1471.24, "text": " And I feel like I've said, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen in my entire life, like" }, { "start": 1471.24, "end": 1472.8000000000002, "text": " 400 times this week." }, { "start": 1472.8000000000002, "end": 1473.8000000000002, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1473.8000000000002, "end": 1476, "text": " But this might be the coolest thing I've ever seen in my life." }, { "start": 1476, "end": 1477.5600000000002, "text": " It's called the Artifon." }, { "start": 1477.5600000000002, "end": 1479.68, "text": " And like, let's just, we have a video of it." }, { "start": 1479.68, "end": 1480.68, "text": " We've played with it a little bit." }, { "start": 1480.68, "end": 1485.4, "text": " So let's just start with that and we'll go from there." }, { "start": 1485.4, "end": 1487.88, "text": " Hi, this is Rondo from The Verge." }, { "start": 1487.88, "end": 1495.16, "text": " And we're here with the Artifon Instrument One and its inventor, Mike Butera." }, { "start": 1495.16, "end": 1519.52, "text": " What this is, is actually an advanced MIDI controller with an iPhone for its brain." }, { "start": 1519.52, "end": 1526.84, "text": " If you know how to play guitar, you can intuitively just start playing." }, { "start": 1526.84, "end": 1532.62, "text": " And it has the fretboard down here with the strings, and then you strum on this touchpad" }, { "start": 1532.62, "end": 1534.5, "text": " down here, or you can finger pick." }, { "start": 1534.5, "end": 1540.42, "text": " It has five different modes, guitar, bass, violin, banjo, and custom." }, { "start": 1540.42, "end": 1547.24, "text": " The cool thing about that is if you know how to play guitar, you can have the guitar sound." }, { "start": 1547.24, "end": 1551.8, "text": " And that's cool, but you can actually have it in guitar mode and then change the MIDI" }, { "start": 1551.8, "end": 1553.76, "text": " instrument to say a violin." }, { "start": 1553.76, "end": 1555.24, "text": " You can change it to an organ." }, { "start": 1555.24, "end": 1563.2, "text": " You can change it to a synthesizer, but then play it like you're playing a guitar." }, { "start": 1563.2, "end": 1569.24, "text": " So because this is actually a MIDI controller, it can work with anything that has a MIDI" }, { "start": 1569.24, "end": 1570.24, "text": " input." }, { "start": 1570.24, "end": 1571.5, "text": " So this works with GarageBand." }, { "start": 1571.5, "end": 1573.4, "text": " This works for pretty much anything." }, { "start": 1573.4, "end": 1574.8, "text": " And you can also play live with it." }, { "start": 1574.8, "end": 1576, "text": " You can record with it." }, { "start": 1576, "end": 1579.14, "text": " This can also use vocoder apps." }, { "start": 1579.14, "end": 1580.6, "text": " So it has a microphone input." }, { "start": 1580.6, "end": 1586.44, "text": " We're using force sensing technology on this for both the fingerboard and the strum section." }, { "start": 1586.44, "end": 1592.36, "text": " So all in all, the Instrument 1 is unlike anything I've ever played, but at the same" }, { "start": 1592.36, "end": 1595.72, "text": " time exactly like everything I've ever played." }, { "start": 1595.72, "end": 1602.6, "text": " It's expected to be $800 for presale this spring, and then other models on sale after" }, { "start": 1602.6, "end": 1603.6, "text": " that." }, { "start": 1603.6, "end": 1610.52, "text": " So this fell pretty squarely into the realm of things that we saw and were like, we have" }, { "start": 1610.52, "end": 1611.52, "text": " to try immediately." }, { "start": 1611.52, "end": 1616.1599999999999, "text": " So we actually brought Mike Butera into the studio with us with the Artifon." }, { "start": 1616.1599999999999, "end": 1617.1599999999999, "text": " It's the Instrument 1." }, { "start": 1617.1599999999999, "end": 1618.1599999999999, "text": " Is that the first instrument?" }, { "start": 1618.1599999999999, "end": 1619.1599999999999, "text": " Yeah, the first instrument." }, { "start": 1619.1599999999999, "end": 1621.52, "text": " You have to see it in person." }, { "start": 1621.52, "end": 1622.52, "text": " It's made of wood." }, { "start": 1622.52, "end": 1623.52, "text": " It's beautiful." }, { "start": 1623.52, "end": 1626.8799999999999, "text": " It's a very good African hardwood, sustainably harvested." }, { "start": 1626.8799999999999, "end": 1628.36, "text": " We make it in Nashville." }, { "start": 1628.36, "end": 1629.36, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1629.36, "end": 1630.36, "text": " I mean, it looks crazy." }, { "start": 1630.36, "end": 1634.52, "text": " Yeah, so tell us, let's start with kind of the backstory of how you started the company" }, { "start": 1634.52, "end": 1635.52, "text": " and built this thing." }, { "start": 1635.52, "end": 1636.52, "text": " Yeah, sure." }, { "start": 1636.52, "end": 1642.6999999999998, "text": " So I have a PhD in sound studies, and my dissertation was on the way we listen phenomenologically" }, { "start": 1642.6999999999998, "end": 1644.7199999999998, "text": " with technology." }, { "start": 1644.7199999999998, "end": 1650.8799999999999, "text": " So I teach that and sociology, and then I'm a musician, and I play multiple stringed instruments." }, { "start": 1650.8799999999999, "end": 1655.9199999999998, "text": " So I wanted to make a device that changed the way that we approached instruments that" }, { "start": 1655.9199999999998, "end": 1657.6399999999999, "text": " wasn't just a guitar." }, { "start": 1657.6399999999999, "end": 1659.28, "text": " And then we have apps." }, { "start": 1659.28, "end": 1663.28, "text": " And so with MIDI, you can do all kinds of things, but if you're limited to a screen," }, { "start": 1663.28, "end": 1666.16, "text": " you're basically non-tactile." }, { "start": 1666.16, "end": 1668.46, "text": " So this came about." }, { "start": 1668.46, "end": 1670.2, "text": " So you have it, this is a touch sensor?" }, { "start": 1670.2, "end": 1676.28, "text": " Yeah, these are force sensing resistors, actually, on the fretboard and the strum section." }, { "start": 1676.28, "end": 1681.68, "text": " And so they measure the pressure and then translate that into various MIDI commands." }, { "start": 1681.68, "end": 1684.22, "text": " You can do effects by pressing harder." }, { "start": 1684.22, "end": 1685.22, "text": " You can do slides." }, { "start": 1685.22, "end": 1687.48, "text": " You can turn off the frets and go between." }, { "start": 1687.48, "end": 1689.12, "text": " You can do vibrato." }, { "start": 1689.12, "end": 1694.1599999999999, "text": " So it's more expressive than the others." }, { "start": 1694.1599999999999, "end": 1698.08, "text": " So you've developed this to be a huge number of instruments, right?" }, { "start": 1698.08, "end": 1701.4399999999998, "text": " You were playing around and there was a whole bunch of different things that you had in" }, { "start": 1701.4399999999998, "end": 1702.4399999999998, "text": " there." }, { "start": 1702.4399999999998, "end": 1704, "text": " Yeah, so the idea is you can play it in a guitar." }, { "start": 1704, "end": 1705.1599999999999, "text": " See, he has mad skills over here." }, { "start": 1705.1599999999999, "end": 1706.1599999999999, "text": " This is amazing." }, { "start": 1706.1599999999999, 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to make" }, { "start": 1745.24, "end": 1747.28, "text": " whatever instrument they want." }, { "start": 1747.28, "end": 1753.52, "text": " So we made it this weird shape because it's ergonomic and it's portable." }, { "start": 1753.52, "end": 1761.48, "text": " So in all these different positions, you have a reason even though it's an odd thing." }, { "start": 1761.48, "end": 1764.68, "text": " Once you hold it, you're like, oh, yeah." }, { "start": 1764.68, "end": 1767.8, "text": " This is part of the bigger story here, which is there are a lot of indie hardware projects" }, { "start": 1767.8, "end": 1768.8, "text": " here." }, { "start": 1768.8, "end": 1769.8, "text": " Yeah, you're saying that." }, { "start": 1769.8, "end": 1774.44, "text": " What's it like being an indie hardware developer, especially for a project that seems like you" }, { "start": 1774.44, "end": 1777.64, "text": " couldn't immediately explain this to someone?" }, { "start": 1777.64, "end": 1779.8, "text": " As soon as you see it, I think you get it." }, { "start": 1779.8, "end": 1783.16, "text": " We've been doing this for two years and we kept it quiet for almost that long." }, { "start": 1783.16, "end": 1786, "text": " We just unveiled basically today." }, { "start": 1786, "end": 1790.8400000000001, "text": " And so we've gotten local angel funding in Nashville." }, { "start": 1790.8400000000001, "end": 1795.68, "text": " I mean, Nashville is an amazing city for this, not only because of the tech scene, but the" }, { "start": 1795.68, "end": 1796.98, "text": " music scene and all that." }, { "start": 1796.98, "end": 1802.44, "text": " So we've been able to get by and with a great team of engineers." }, { "start": 1802.44, "end": 1806, "text": " These guys have built consoles, they're veterans of the industry." }, { "start": 1806, "end": 1808.3600000000001, "text": " And so we just love the project." }, { "start": 1808.3600000000001, "end": 1809.92, "text": " And that got us here." }, { 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}, { "start": 1840.64, "end": 1847.76, "text": " people actually have love type emotions with their gadgets, you know this." }, { "start": 1847.76, "end": 1850.24, "text": " We're kind of bridging that divide." }, { "start": 1850.24, "end": 1852.28, "text": " Well, so I was actually going to ask that." }, { "start": 1852.28, "end": 1855.48, "text": " So we've seen a lot of digital instruments." }, { "start": 1855.48, "end": 1857.92, "text": " That's kind of been a thing for a while, but they're all sort of, they're all very much" }, { "start": 1857.92, "end": 1858.92, "text": " toys." }, { "start": 1858.92, "end": 1862.76, "text": " Right, and then this feels a lot more like, oh my goodness." }, { "start": 1862.76, "end": 1865.72, "text": " Yes, but this feels way more like an instrument." }, { "start": 1865.72, "end": 1869.72, "text": " Like was that something you did on purpose?" }, { "start": 1869.72, "end": 1871.72, "text": " You're just going to, this is amazing." }, { "start": 1871.72, "end": 1872.72, "text": " You're very talented." }, { "start": 1872.72, "end": 1873.72, "text": " You get trolled by an electric banjo." }, { "start": 1873.72, "end": 1874.72, "text": " No, it's great." }, { "start": 1874.72, "end": 1875.72, "text": " It's great." }, { "start": 1875.72, "end": 1876.72, "text": " No, it's good." }, { "start": 1876.72, "end": 1877.72, "text": " Thank you." }, { "start": 1877.72, "end": 1878.72, "text": " You are a music teacher." }, { "start": 1878.72, "end": 1879.72, "text": " We're all very proud of you." }, { "start": 1879.72, "end": 1880.72, "text": " Sorry." }, { "start": 1880.72, "end": 1888.72, "text": " So I mean, this feels much more like a real instrument than just a toy for a toy." }, { "start": 1888.72, "end": 1890.72, "text": " It's a toy for your iPhone so you can play guitar." }, { "start": 1890.72, "end": 1895.08, "text": " Yeah, and that's, I mean, that's the big difference between, you know, a lot of the guitar hero" }, { "start": 1895.08, "end": 1900.96, "text": " type guitar controllers and this is, we're making this for professional musicians." }, { "start": 1900.96, "end": 1906.52, "text": " I mean, from keyboardists who want to get out behind the keyboards to string players" }, { "start": 1906.52, "end": 1911.08, "text": " who want to expand their sounds to people who want to practice or write song right in" }, { "start": 1911.08, "end": 1914.16, "text": " multi-track recording on the bus." }, { "start": 1914.16, "end": 1916.8, "text": " You know, there's a lot of uses and it connects." }, { "start": 1916.8, "end": 1920.24, "text": " I mean, it connects with all your standard music gear." }, { "start": 1920.24, "end": 1925.2, "text": " So are you finding that people want to make music using the iPhone as a central controller?" }, { "start": 1925.2, "end": 1931.96, "text": " We've been doing a lot of customer development in Nashville and elsewhere to figure out what" }, { "start": 1931.96, "end": 1934.6, "text": " people want, like, that would matter to them." }, { "start": 1934.6, "end": 1938.8, "text": " And we've actually changed the design and continue to based on that feedback." }, { "start": 1938.8, "end": 1941.48, "text": " A lot of musicians are saying that, you know, how does this fit?" }, { "start": 1941.48, "end": 1946.68, "text": " You got the Omnicord, that old sort of weird instrument and then you have weird, you know," }, { "start": 1946.68, "end": 1948.52, "text": " keytars or synth guitars." }, { "start": 1948.52, "end": 1953.48, "text": " And some people use an Omnicord as an almost kitsch thing now and people don't generally" }, { "start": 1953.48, "end": 1957.8, "text": " use other synth guitars, but by making it something that sort of fits your life a little" }, { "start": 1957.8, "end": 1962.8, "text": " better that you can actually carry around, that you can put your phone in." }, { "start": 1962.8, "end": 1965.8400000000001, "text": " There's, it's more blended in, in that sense." }, { "start": 1965.8400000000001, "end": 1968.52, "text": " So we, you know, that's what people are grabbing onto." }, { "start": 1968.52, "end": 1972.3600000000001, "text": " They see it, they want it and then they're like, oh yeah, and it would be useful in this" }, { "start": 1972.3600000000001, "end": 1973.8, "text": " and this and this space." }, { "start": 1973.8, "end": 1977.68, "text": " So studios want it, just, we met with a lot of studios in Nashville and they're like," }, { "start": 1977.68, "end": 1982.34, "text": " hey, you know, we just want this laying around because at, you know, eight hours into a session" }, { "start": 1982.34, "end": 1987.68, "text": " when you're just out of ideas, you pick this up and you just mess and you see what happens." }, { "start": 1987.68, "end": 1990.08, "text": " So can you play us a sweet demo here?" }, { "start": 1990.08, "end": 1991.08, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1991.08, "end": 1992.08, "text": " What do you want to?" }, { "start": 1992.08, "end": 1993.08, "text": " Because I've been trying." }, { "start": 1993.08, "end": 1994.08, "text": " You're doing great." }, { "start": 1994.08, "end": 1995.08, "text": " You're learning so fast." }, { "start": 1995.08, "end": 1996.08, "text": " I think, yeah." }, { "start": 1996.08, "end": 1997.08, "text": " So, yeah, you're very, see?" }, { "start": 1997.08, "end": 1998.08, "text": " You just fire me." }, { "start": 1998.08, "end": 1999.08, "text": " I say nice things to you." }, { "start": 1999.08, "end": 2000.08, "text": " Yeah, exactly." }, { "start": 2000.08, "end": 2005.08, "text": " This is awesome." }, { "start": 2005.08, "end": 2010.08, "text": " That's awesome." }, { "start": 2010.08, "end": 2015.08, "text": " Can I have one?" }, { "start": 2015.08, "end": 2016.08, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2016.08, "end": 2017.08, "text": " There you go." }, { "start": 2017.08, "end": 2018.08, "text": " I saw how that's supposed to work." }, { "start": 2018.08, "end": 2020.08, "text": " All right, Mike, thank you so much." }, { "start": 2020.08, "end": 2021.08, "text": " Yeah, that's awesome." }, { "start": 2021.08, "end": 2022.6399999999999, "text": " That is our show." }, { "start": 2022.6399999999999, "end": 2025.72, "text": " We, this is our last day in the studio." }, { "start": 2025.72, "end": 2029.28, "text": " Sadly, they're taking all of this away from us, but we still have more coming." }, { "start": 2029.28, "end": 2032.08, "text": " We have the Verge Mobile Show coming up today at five." }, { "start": 2032.08, "end": 2036.08, "text": " We have a Vergecast at six, and our last Vergecast at CES is always really fun." }, { "start": 2036.08, "end": 2037.74, "text": " So you should definitely hang out for that." }, { "start": 2037.74, "end": 2042.08, "text": " There will probably be more tired Neelai, plus more tired everybody else, which is just" }, { "start": 2042.08, "end": 2043.08, "text": " amazing." }, { "start": 2043.08, "end": 2044.08, "text": " But so stick around." }, { "start": 2044.08, "end": 2045.08, "text": " We have a ton of great video content." }, { "start": 2045.08, "end": 2047.72, "text": " We'll be around all night." }, { "start": 2047.72, "end": 2048.72, "text": " And thanks so much for watching." }, { "start": 2048.72, "end": 2049.72, "text": " Mike, will you play us out?" }, { "start": 2049.72, "end": 2050.72, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2050.72, "end": 2051.72, "text": " Do it loud." }, { "start": 2051.72, "end": 2060.24, "text": " We need like a drum set now." }, { "start": 2060.24, "end": 2061.24, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2061.24, "end": 2062.24, "text": " Do you have drums?" }, { "start": 2062.24, "end": 2063.24, "text": " You got drums." }, { "start": 2063.24, "end": 2064.24, "text": " Drum solo to out." }, { "start": 2064.24, "end": 2065.24, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 2065.24, "end": 2066.24, "text": " This is the best drum solo." }, { "start": 2066.24, "end": 2067.24, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 2067.24, "end": 2068.24, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 2068.24, "end": 2069.24, "text": " Thank you guys so much." }, { "start": 2069.24, "end": 2070.24, "text": " Bye, everybody." }, { "start": 2070.24, "end": 2071.24, "text": " Bye, everybody." }, { "start": 2071.24, "end": 2072.24, "text": " Happy CES." }, { "start": 2072.24, "end": 2098.9199999999996, "text": " Bye, everybody." } ]

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You're also it's our it's our last first of CS" }, { "start": 40.760000000000005, "end": 45.64, "text": " This is the show still going on. Yes, but it's really starting to wind down a bit now" }, { "start": 46.44, "end": 48.760000000000005, "text": " tomorrow is the last official day of" }, { "start": 49.56, "end": 55.480000000000004, "text": " CES right? It's also it's a half day. Really everyone starts setting down as soon as they can if we attempted to do first" }, { "start": 55.48, "end": 57.48, "text": " tomorrow" }, { "start": 57.76, "end": 59.559999999999995, "text": " a" }, { "start": 59.559999999999995, "end": 64.64, "text": " Forklift would actually finally yes truly drive through the set. It wouldn't it would no longer be a joke" }, { "start": 65.39999999999999, "end": 69.03999999999999, "text": " We've been talking about that. It sounds like forklifts are going to drive through the seven" }, { "start": 69.03999999999999, "end": 71.28, "text": " It would actually have to be happening as they be deconstructed" }, { "start": 71.67999999999999, "end": 75.24, "text": " But there's still stuff to talk about and we actually have a special guest" }, { "start": 75.96, "end": 78.53999999999999, "text": " Today Paul Pugh from frog design" }, { "start": 78.88, "end": 82.03999999999999, "text": " You guys probably know you if you don't know frog design by name" }, { "start": 82.04, "end": 85.72000000000001, "text": " You know frog design because they are responsible for some of the most" }, { "start": 86.72, "end": 88.24000000000001, "text": " infamous" }, { "start": 88.24000000000001, "end": 91.88000000000001, "text": " Famous designs in hardware and some really great software as well" }, { "start": 92.88000000000001, "end": 99.24000000000001, "text": " Stuff like the next cube the Apple Snow White designs. 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It's a project that they're working on with our good friend" }, { "start": 127.54, "end": 133.5, "text": " Andy Wilson Luma room Luma room not a Luma room not a loop is I when I when somebody first said this to me" }, { "start": 133.5, "end": 138.98000000000002, "text": " I thought it was related to the Lumia, but it's not no this out. It's just do all right" }, { "start": 138.98, "end": 145, "text": " So basically what they do is they have a connect sensor that's detecting basically mapping out where your furniture is and from there" }, { "start": 145, "end": 151.26, "text": " It knows accurately how you can basically extend the screen vision with projector Wow beyond the television. This is insane" }, { "start": 151.26, "end": 154.42, "text": " I've not seen this video yet. I told people told me about it yesterday" }, { "start": 155.73999999999998, "end": 157.73999999999998, "text": " This is truly" }, { "start": 159.38, "end": 162.29999999999998, "text": " Outrageous, this is really awesome. No, this is actual footage" }, { "start": 162.29999999999998, "end": 166.38, "text": " I mean, I know they're doing some effects there but is none of this stuff. That's not actual footage" }, { "start": 166.38, "end": 171.1, "text": " We're not we're not until I sure yet. They say this is actual footage or really close to what it's gonna be like" }, { "start": 174.94, "end": 179.04, "text": " I have to leave I've got to go. They found me my people need me" }, { "start": 180.14, "end": 186.38, "text": " Or that or I'm a hero. Okay, the hero or the villain or the victim the color looks like completely insane. Yes" }, { "start": 187.06, "end": 191.06, "text": " So yeah, our good friend Andy Wilson who's on the verge did a lot of crazy projector stuff" }, { "start": 191.06, "end": 192.96, "text": " Clearly he's still doing it. We saw Andy Wilson" }, { "start": 192.96, "end": 198.66, "text": " He was projecting onto my back and now he's projecting nice to read into my world. Yes" }, { "start": 199.70000000000002, "end": 205.06, "text": " Anyway, we don't we don't know how accurate this video is just yet. Yeah, they're not showing it off here" }, { "start": 205.06, "end": 207.38, "text": " They just wanted to announce it here. Is this do you think this could be?" }, { "start": 208.5, "end": 212.88, "text": " New new Xbox stuff like this is like a new you know" }, { "start": 212.88, "end": 218.66, "text": " You saw connect and now we've got this next thing that is part of the next Xbox experience" }, { "start": 218.66, "end": 221.78, "text": " It is and it isn't what I'm interested in if it's actually sitting to the screen" }, { "start": 221.78, "end": 226.22, "text": " The Kinect sensor is gonna have to be behind you looking at the TV. Is that where it is?" }, { "start": 226.22, "end": 229.6, "text": " It's behind you know, they have a connect in the living. 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We knew it was coming back now" }, { "start": 256.94, "end": 261.59999999999997, "text": " We know how many episodes in exactly when yeah, and we know that just like they did with the other series" }, { "start": 261.82, "end": 264.4, "text": " It's all coming back at one time" }, { "start": 264.98, "end": 271.42, "text": " Yeah, so Mitchell Horowitz the entire thing all at once every so I can literally just sit down for on a Saturday" }, { "start": 271.74, "end": 275.14, "text": " And just jam through it. Yeah, the day comes out. Oh my god everything" }, { "start": 275.18, "end": 278.06, "text": " So this is gonna be Netflix is going to go down again" }, { "start": 278.06, "end": 279.22, "text": " What's gonna happen?" }, { "start": 279.22, "end": 283.3, "text": " It's gonna be like Chris at the exact moment. No, everybody's in a hit play and" }, { "start": 283.98, "end": 290.74, "text": " Then they'll realize that they've made a terrible mistake. No, it's interesting because the you know, we talked about how TV is very credit for that" }, { "start": 292.42, "end": 295.42, "text": " I'm just moving on. It's interesting because we talked about how like" }, { "start": 297.3, "end": 303.86, "text": " No, no, I mean, okay, I don't know I don't want to hurt your finger point. All right 14 episodes" }, { "start": 303.86, "end": 309.58000000000004, "text": " Um, there's something of a chronology to it, but Mitchell Hurwitz said at a press tour" }, { "start": 310.22, "end": 316.12, "text": " It doesn't have to watch an order. There's not so much consistency. The only character that's in every episode is Jason Bateman's character" }, { "start": 316.7, "end": 320.2, "text": " Otherwise are kind of self-contained with a little bit of order if you want to watch them that way" }, { "start": 320.2, "end": 322.92, "text": " I'll see that makes me worried. 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I just want to know" }, { "start": 369.66, "end": 371.66, "text": " What's ultimately in the hatch" }, { "start": 372.78000000000003, "end": 374.46, "text": " It's" }, { "start": 374.46, "end": 377.9, "text": " I know there was stuff in there, but I think there was something else that we didn't see it" }, { "start": 377.9, "end": 382.14, "text": " I need to know what it is. It's an illusion. I am tired that I was I'm so sorry" }, { "start": 382.14, "end": 385.1, "text": " So obviously you're very excited about that. Why I'm enjoying that" }, { "start": 385.1, "end": 387.1, "text": " Give me one thing" }, { "start": 387.98, "end": 393.34000000000003, "text": " Anyway, the last story of the day is Hulu and this comes from you actually this comes your super session" }, { "start": 394.38, "end": 399.40000000000003, "text": " Argue the future to return of the future. 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Oh, no, that's actually a giant ad anyway" }, { "start": 542.2, "end": 547.5200000000001, "text": " I don't know what is what what if you watch these thirty rock thirty rock? Yeah before that goes off there" }, { "start": 547.5200000000001, "end": 549.5200000000001, "text": " It's gonna be one entire choice" }, { "start": 550.8000000000001, "end": 552.8000000000001, "text": " But seven, you know parks and recreation" }, { "start": 553.32, "end": 557.72, "text": " All right, right anyhow, but I thought that was interesting. Are you gonna throw that at somebody?" }, { "start": 557.72, "end": 560.08, "text": " Yeah, I thought that was really interesting point and" }, { "start": 560.6800000000001, "end": 564.2800000000001, "text": " we actually have we have a clip we have a clip and" }, { "start": 566.44, "end": 571.12, "text": " When we're done correctly my wrong but when we're done with the clip Paul Pugh will be sitting here" }, { "start": 571.12, "end": 574.52, "text": " I will materialize you're going to you're gonna be materialized" }, { "start": 574.52, "end": 577.84, "text": " I'm gonna do he's going to materialize and we'll be talking to him about" }, { "start": 578.5600000000001, "end": 583.62, "text": " Where design is headed which I'm excited about but take a look at this and we will be right back" }, { "start": 585.2, "end": 588.44, "text": " The TV looks better than it's ever looked before" }, { "start": 590.04, "end": 595.44, "text": " There is there are more channels than ever do consumer our consumers actually" }, { "start": 595.44, "end": 599.66, "text": " I know we talk about cord cutters and that's a thing and I think you talked to Ari Emanuel and he" }, { "start": 599.66, "end": 606.1, "text": " He said there aren't cord cutters and you know, but here's here's the if I could just anticipate what I think you're sure" }, { "start": 606.1, "end": 608.1, "text": " Go for I think I" }, { "start": 609.3399999999999, "end": 611.86, "text": " Think there are cord cutters. Here's one" }, { "start": 611.86, "end": 616.4599999999999, "text": " I think there are fewer of them than we might have expected four or five years ago" }, { "start": 616.9, "end": 619.86, "text": " Because because the cable companies have been good at holding on to what they have" }, { "start": 619.86, "end": 623.14, "text": " Yeah, they've been good at holding on to it. And I think this whole rights world" }, { "start": 623.78, "end": 628.0799999999999, "text": " Danny was talking about has hurt the efforts to do better" }, { "start": 628.08, "end": 635.48, "text": " More integrated over-the-top services that make the TV more attractive and easier to use and all that kind of stuff" }, { "start": 635.5200000000001, "end": 641, "text": " But I think there's something that this is what I was talking to Ari Emanuel about or trying to talk to him about" }, { "start": 641.6800000000001, "end": 645.44, "text": " Which was there's something called cable nevers, right?" }, { "start": 645.44, "end": 651.5400000000001, "text": " And this is the most dangerous thing if I'm Brian Roberts Brian Roberts that being the head of Comcast" }, { "start": 651.5400000000001, "end": 657.62, "text": " I have I have two sons who are once married ones not they're they're both around 30" }, { "start": 657.62, "end": 663.58, "text": " But my youngest son would go without food before he wouldn't have internet, right?" }, { "start": 663.58, "end": 669.02, "text": " He has to have internet, but he would never go without anything to buy a cable subscription" }, { "start": 669.02, "end": 671.02, "text": " He doesn't have a cable. He doesn't have a cable" }, { "start": 671.02, "end": 674.84, "text": " He never would and he never will and I think that that cord never is combined with" }, { "start": 675.5, "end": 681.94, "text": " Even the people who buy the cable thinking to themselves. This is secondary to what I see on the internet or I get" }, { "start": 681.94, "end": 688.58, "text": " Distributed online that is the biggest danger for the cable industry and I think that's why they're gonna be pushed to make but luckily" }, { "start": 688.58, "end": 694.22, "text": " Do you see that you see more kind of like deal flow because they know I mean that would be" }, { "start": 694.46, "end": 700.46, "text": " Well, I guess I'd say I think the cable suddenly telco are having to pay more close attention to consumers than ever before and that's" }, { "start": 700.46, "end": 705.1400000000001, "text": " A good thing. I mean their ui's are slowly getting better too slow, but but slowly they're better" }, { "start": 705.1400000000001, "end": 709.0600000000001, "text": " If you if you look three or four years ago, they're wildly better. It's still not enough" }, { "start": 709.06, "end": 713.8199999999999, "text": " I think I think they're worried about that and I think they're they know they're gonna have to do some repackaging" }, { "start": 714.3, "end": 719.9, "text": " But they look at multi-channel subs and they've hung in around a hundred million homes and it wavers a little bit" }, { "start": 719.9, "end": 724.18, "text": " But it hasn't it hasn't dropped. So they're all looking at the cord never is they're all doing a bunch of research" }, { "start": 724.18, "end": 729.02, "text": " But so far it hasn't hit the bottom line and I don't think they're gonna anticipate that and start doing things differently" }, { "start": 729.02, "end": 731.02, "text": " So I think it's gonna be slow" }, { "start": 731.02, "end": 736.02, "text": " Our guest today is a guy that I've actually want to talk to you for a while we traded some emails" }, { "start": 736.02, "end": 742.02, "text": " He's he works at frog. He is the hang on a second the VP of creative software innovation" }, { "start": 742.02, "end": 746.02, "text": " Is that right something around there? Welcome Paul Pugh. Thanks for coming to the show" }, { "start": 747.02, "end": 751.02, "text": " Appreciate you being up this early. Oh, yeah, because it's it got me to bed early" }, { "start": 751.02, "end": 756.02, "text": " Do you do you normally get up early early early riser? Yeah. Yeah, so so frog" }, { "start": 756.02, "end": 761.02, "text": " I mentioned this in the in the in the intro but frog has been a company that" }, { "start": 762.02, "end": 764.02, "text": " Historically has just created some of the most" }, { "start": 765.02, "end": 769.02, "text": " Innovative and interesting designs. I think I think frog is really best done. I mean you're a software guy" }, { "start": 769.02, "end": 775.02, "text": " But when you think of frog you do think of the hardware stuff Apple to see Mac to next cube" }, { "start": 776.02, "end": 782.02, "text": " The snow white design language, which I think we have some images of if you guys haven't seen these you definitely should" }, { "start": 782.02, "end": 787.02, "text": " Yeah, here's some of these are some prototypes prototypes of a phone here way before the iPhone obviously" }, { "start": 787.02, "end": 791.02, "text": " And these are and these are designed by a Hartman Essinger. That's right. Yeah" }, { "start": 792.02, "end": 797.02, "text": " And this stuff we actually just ran some of these photos. These are prototypes. These are obviously never came to" }, { "start": 798.02, "end": 805.02, "text": " To the market, but just some really out there design even now. I mean these are from when the 80s, right?" }, { "start": 805.02, "end": 810.02, "text": " Even now you look at anything and you think oh, yeah, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean, I mean" }, { "start": 810.02, "end": 813.02, "text": " That's right. Even now you look at anything. This is just wildly" }, { "start": 814.02, "end": 819.02, "text": " Inventive, but you also worked on the Nokia n9. That's right frog worked on the n9" }, { "start": 819.02, "end": 821.78, "text": " I think we got a few shots of that as well" }, { "start": 822.5, "end": 825.74, "text": " And more recently there it is and more recently" }, { "start": 826.98, "end": 828.6999999999999, "text": " the sharp" }, { "start": 828.6999999999999, "end": 834.18, "text": " Feel feel you X. That's right. Now. We actually did a big piece of this is only in Japan, but it's a fully skinned" }, { "start": 834.86, "end": 839.02, "text": " Foley a full skin for Android. That's right. You guys pretty much touched everything here" }, { "start": 839.02, "end": 841.02, "text": " so" }, { "start": 841.46, "end": 844.42, "text": " You know, actually let's talk about that for a second" }, { "start": 845.1, "end": 851.78, "text": " What is your take on on I mean, obviously you're familiar with with the stock Android interface, which I think has gotten" }, { "start": 852.46, "end": 855.4, "text": " Pretty good. Yeah. No, I think it's I think it's really good now" }, { "start": 855.4, "end": 858.98, "text": " I mean the question I was always like why why go down this road?" }, { "start": 859.18, "end": 862.9, "text": " Like why would a OEM decide to customize it?" }, { "start": 862.9, "end": 867.66, "text": " I think that it's very difficult to distinguish a handset in this market now if you go to the floor at the show" }, { "start": 867.66, "end": 875, "text": " It's just overwhelming. You know, like how to how many handsets there are how little differentiation there is between them" }, { "start": 875, "end": 875.8199999999999, "text": " They're all slab, right?" }, { "start": 875.8199999999999, "end": 879.38, "text": " Essentially, I mean, do you think that consumers and maybe it's different in Japan, you know" }, { "start": 879.38, "end": 881.16, "text": " I certainly can't speak for the Japanese market" }, { "start": 881.16, "end": 885.86, "text": " But I do you feel consumers go into a store and they look at the the five Android phones and they do" }, { "start": 886.18, "end": 893.4599999999999, "text": " They are looking for the software difference between them. No, well a couple things. It's not five. It's like 15, right?" }, { "start": 893.46, "end": 899.7800000000001, "text": " Okay, even like you go to the AT&T store Verizon store. There's a lot of handsets and they're all kind of like shiny black hardware" }, { "start": 900.22, "end": 905.22, "text": " And you know, they're like when you when you touch them you like that this experiences are pretty similar" }, { "start": 905.22, "end": 910.94, "text": " Right. So like what's you know, like you either can compete on price or you can present up something" }, { "start": 910.94, "end": 912.1600000000001, "text": " That's a unique experience to them" }, { "start": 912.1600000000001, "end": 917.38, "text": " And so, you know, like I think Android it meets, you know, most of those needs but there are still needs that users have" }, { "start": 917.7, "end": 919.82, "text": " We did research that found you know" }, { "start": 919.82, "end": 924.3000000000001, "text": " Like they that there was opportunity to really do more with the lock screen for example, right?" }, { "start": 924.3000000000001, "end": 930.9000000000001, "text": " And the users would you know, like respond to that they'd connect to that those features and then hopefully they they decide to buy that phone" }, { "start": 930.9000000000001, "end": 933.88, "text": " Based on that right and and it's not so much about" }, { "start": 934.36, "end": 937.12, "text": " You know like what Android wasn't doing" }, { "start": 937.82, "end": 944.1600000000001, "text": " From a platform strategy or Google strategy just really trying to find those things that users are gonna see to say, you know" }, { "start": 944.1600000000001, "end": 947.34, "text": " Like I want that I I'd be really enthused around" }, { "start": 947.34, "end": 949.82, "text": " Having that on my device. No, I" }, { "start": 950.6600000000001, "end": 954.14, "text": " Android is still not nearly as approachable as something like iOS" }, { "start": 954.14, "end": 961.46, "text": " I think there is that for a consumer there is that barrier right where you just don't know everything that it does or you don't" }, { "start": 961.46, "end": 966.6600000000001, "text": " Know how to get it to do everything you want it to do, you know, and and so that makes sense to me" }, { "start": 966.6600000000001, "end": 968.6600000000001, "text": " I just think it's a balance" }, { "start": 969.02, "end": 974.0600000000001, "text": " Sorry, I can say there's kind of an interesting intersection. I think with that moment where where with Android" }, { "start": 974.06, "end": 979.3, "text": " It's still you know, like it's it's still difficult to distinguish the handsets" }, { "start": 979.3, "end": 985.6199999999999, "text": " and I think also both the operators and the device manufacturers are really looking for opportunities to" }, { "start": 986.5799999999999, "end": 993.8599999999999, "text": " To be able to shape that and own more that customer experience. So you see these new platforms emerging like Tyson and Ubuntu and" }, { "start": 994.4599999999999, "end": 1002.16, "text": " Mozilla OS and and some excuse me Firefox OS by Mozilla that look to actually be more catered towards that direction" }, { "start": 1002.16, "end": 1007.28, "text": " Right in the future. Do you think you know and I know that you're you're focused on software, but" }, { "start": 1007.9599999999999, "end": 1011.12, "text": " Is there a lack does it seem like you know, maybe some of this software" }, { "start": 1012.04, "end": 1016.76, "text": " Differentiation is coming because there there is no real hardware differentiation" }, { "start": 1016.76, "end": 1021.56, "text": " I mean it feels like everybody's kind of pulling the same parts off of a line somewhere and with their slight tweaks, right?" }, { "start": 1022.0799999999999, "end": 1023.8, "text": " You know, like I think the cycle" }, { "start": 1023.8, "end": 1029.44, "text": " I mean it it's sort of like you can look at the the Android system versus the iOS system" }, { "start": 1029.44, "end": 1032.76, "text": " We I mean the iOS system kind of is normalized in their innovation cycle" }, { "start": 1032.76, "end": 1037.18, "text": " We got a cadence that you can almost predict the way it's gonna work out" }, { "start": 1037.18, "end": 1041.04, "text": " You know the name the way they name the devices and whatnot on Android" }, { "start": 1041.04, "end": 1046.04, "text": " It's you know, like it's it's the cycle is so much shorter and that differentiation is" }, { "start": 1046.8200000000002, "end": 1050.52, "text": " You know so much more difficult because of that. 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So I hate to cut you off" }, { "start": 1070.24, "end": 1074.58, "text": " I do I think we could talk about this stuff forever, but we're at I did we only have a few moments" }, { "start": 1074.58, "end": 1082.58, "text": " But we're at CS and we are surrounded by these, you know people making attempts at new user experiences" }, { "start": 1082.58, "end": 1086.92, "text": " You know, we just saw this this new Microsoft thing, which is obviously this very immersive" }, { "start": 1086.92, "end": 1093.3600000000001, "text": " Experience for a user. You've got all these new UI UX ideas voice control and motion sense" }, { "start": 1093.3600000000001, "end": 1095.3600000000001, "text": " And we saw a bunch of that stuff last year on TVs" }, { "start": 1096.1200000000001, "end": 1101.04, "text": " Where is this headed? 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Does anybody getting it, right?" }, { "start": 1123.54, "end": 1127.38, "text": " Expect that anything's gonna actually yeah, I mean, I think you know, like I was looking at the" }, { "start": 1127.98, "end": 1131.8200000000002, "text": " Samsung voice control TVs and you know, like I think it's we're making progress" }, { "start": 1132.78, "end": 1139.3400000000001, "text": " The I mean, it's still really hard, you know, like I think that these technologies are they're very nascent and they're in they're very immature" }, { "start": 1139.34, "end": 1143.6799999999998, "text": " But they're rapidly evolving but I think it's when we bring them together" }, { "start": 1143.6999999999998, "end": 1147.58, "text": " then I think they're gonna be a lot stronger a voice on its own is is" }, { "start": 1148.1799999999998, "end": 1153.3799999999999, "text": " Solve some types of interaction issues, but when you add in gestures with it, it is actually much more powerful" }, { "start": 1153.62, "end": 1157.3, "text": " So like this sort of a layered interaction model is what we call it for the you know" }, { "start": 1157.3, "end": 1161.6999999999998, "text": " The right voice control or the right natural interface at the right moment" }, { "start": 1161.98, "end": 1164.82, "text": " Is is where I think it's gonna be successful" }, { "start": 1164.82, "end": 1170.74, "text": " Also just that the devices are working together in a much more holistic way and so it's not you're not just dependent on" }, { "start": 1170.8999999999999, "end": 1178.98, "text": " On a single device to make all those things work, but that they're the devices are much more aware and and able to respond to each other" }, { "start": 1178.98, "end": 1185, "text": " So I'm looking at how the environments around a mobile device are actually going to start to respond to that device" }, { "start": 1185, "end": 1187, "text": " And how much of that is is?" }, { "start": 1187.58, "end": 1189.58, "text": " the ideas" }, { "start": 1189.58, "end": 1196.82, "text": " You know happening and how much of it is our sensors and our software the actual what it hardware" }, { "start": 1196.82, "end": 1198.1, "text": " What it can actually do getting better?" }, { "start": 1198.1, "end": 1203.46, "text": " I mean is this is it just a perfect storm right now or or is it is it that you know?" }, { "start": 1203.46, "end": 1205.62, "text": " We didn't simply couldn't do this stuff" }, { "start": 1205.62, "end": 1210.32, "text": " I think we simply couldn't do that do a lot of the stuff until just recently and I mean" }, { "start": 1210.32, "end": 1215.02, "text": " I still think that a lot of the things that we are managing that we want to do are still a few generations of" }, { "start": 1215.8999999999999, "end": 1217.8999999999999, "text": " both processor battery" }, { "start": 1217.9, "end": 1222.6000000000001, "text": " Life and things like that still affect what what we imagine that will want to be able to do with it" }, { "start": 1222.6000000000001, "end": 1224.8600000000001, "text": " So but you know like the ideas here, you know" }, { "start": 1224.8600000000001, "end": 1227.8600000000001, "text": " Like you start to see them you like start to imagine how they can be sort of brought together" }, { "start": 1227.8600000000001, "end": 1231.88, "text": " And I mean that's sort of like the CES is of two to three years out" }, { "start": 1231.88, "end": 1235.3200000000002, "text": " Hopefully, you know that we're starting to see the roots of you know, like the big" }, { "start": 1235.68, "end": 1239.8400000000001, "text": " You know like the big story here is like definitely the 4k TVs and the gigantic TVs" }, { "start": 1239.8400000000001, "end": 1244.3600000000001, "text": " I think even saw something like an 8k TV. Yeah, like of course they have to have an 8k" }, { "start": 1244.36, "end": 1249.04, "text": " Yeah, the 16k, you know, I get but like that stuff will start to normalize and like well" }, { "start": 1249.36, "end": 1254.4599999999998, "text": " We'll be able to sort of bend those big displays to do new things when the price comes down and that's to me" }, { "start": 1254.4599999999998, "end": 1260.1999999999998, "text": " That's really exciting. So so I really only have time for one more question. This one is kind of I don't know" }, { "start": 1260.1999999999998, "end": 1262.1999999999998, "text": " It's a sort of a put you on the spot" }, { "start": 1262.1999999999998, "end": 1263.08, "text": " No, it's not arrested" }, { "start": 1263.08, "end": 1267.8799999999999, "text": " But what is there something you think out of all the stuff that we're seeing out of just the stuff that you maybe that you're working" }, { "start": 1267.8799999999999, "end": 1271.8, "text": " On or thinking about is there one trend or type of interaction?" }, { "start": 1271.8, "end": 1275.8, "text": " Or type of interface that we're going to see that you think will rise above the rest" }, { "start": 1277.36, "end": 1282.76, "text": " No, because I think that I don't think there's one I mean because it's all about context so like what what" }, { "start": 1283.08, "end": 1287.32, "text": " Interface is working at that moment may not work at the next time with your driving versus walking" }, { "start": 1287.32, "end": 1289.58, "text": " It's a completely different experience. But you know, like I" }, { "start": 1290.2, "end": 1294.5, "text": " There's all those things like there's a you know, I tracking that's a you know" }, { "start": 1294.5, "end": 1299.76, "text": " Like really interesting to me is a way to get to be able to serve the right type of information" }, { "start": 1299.76, "end": 1304.92, "text": " There's some interesting things happening in the automotive space around eye tracking like to that help with safety" }, { "start": 1304.92, "end": 1311.28, "text": " but but like when the like I said when the environments become more aware of what they're expecting us to do that I think the" }, { "start": 1311.64, "end": 1317, "text": " Interactions are gonna be pretty amazing. So right. All right. Well, thank you so much for joining us really really appreciate it" }, { "start": 1317.28, "end": 1325.16, "text": " And we've got you'll want to check this out. I think you'll enjoy it. We've got some video David and Ross went to the show floor" }, { "start": 1325.16, "end": 1334.0800000000002, "text": " To see to kind of give you guys a look at what happens when you start getting really really tired at CS and worn down" }, { "start": 1334.0800000000002, "end": 1336.0800000000002, "text": " And delusional so check it out" }, { "start": 1339.16, "end": 1343.8400000000001, "text": " How many CS is if you don't this is only three actually that's my third or fourth too. I" }, { "start": 1345.5600000000002, "end": 1349.1200000000001, "text": " Think we just make a loop around Central Hall every 15 feet is a trash can" }, { "start": 1349.12, "end": 1351.12, "text": " Oh" }, { "start": 1353.56, "end": 1356.84, "text": " My god, there's nobody people I don't like it" }, { "start": 1357.7199999999998, "end": 1359.28, "text": " What is what?" }, { "start": 1359.28, "end": 1364.1999999999998, "text": " I've never heard of high sense. What does high sense do? I don't know you're lost" }, { "start": 1364.1999999999998, "end": 1369.32, "text": " I literally never been more lost in my entire life. Whoa" }, { "start": 1369.76, "end": 1373.8, "text": " Holy shit, look at that TV with the glasses on that's bananas" }, { "start": 1373.8, "end": 1375.8, "text": " I" }, { "start": 1377.04, "end": 1379.04, "text": " Was the last time you remember the outside world" }, { "start": 1379.8799999999999, "end": 1381.84, "text": " weeks ago" }, { "start": 1381.84, "end": 1383.84, "text": " like July I think I" }, { "start": 1385.2, "end": 1391.3, "text": " Legitimately thought yesterday was Sunday all day and then looked at my calendar is like wait, it's Tuesday. Oh" }, { "start": 1392.08, "end": 1396, "text": " Shit, he's all this is crazy town. I want this so bad" }, { "start": 1396.52, "end": 1401.3, "text": " I'm literally wearing through the bottom of my shoes God this booth is enormous" }, { "start": 1401.3, "end": 1403.02, "text": " this thing is crazy" }, { "start": 1403.02, "end": 1405.02, "text": " Candy and B&M" }, { "start": 1405.96, "end": 1411, "text": " Including were like I wanna live here and finish the imposed" }, { "start": 1411.72, "end": 1413.72, "text": " Kitchen Aunt vídeos" }, { "start": 1415.94, "end": 1417.94, "text": " genesis" }, { "start": 1418.22, "end": 1421.7, "text": " We could like throw in some cell phones do this" }, { "start": 1421.52, "end": 1423.52, "text": " Washing Machine or bust" }, { "start": 1425.26, "end": 1428.2, "text": " Now for real though, this is our best chance to see like a washing machine" }, { "start": 1428.2, "end": 1439.8600000000001, "text": " I mean, you can really tell it starts to wear you down emotionally." }, { "start": 1439.8600000000001, "end": 1446.94, "text": " That's a shocking look into the mind of a CES journalist." }, { "start": 1446.94, "end": 1449.3400000000001, "text": " Yeah I'm not proud but I wouldn't have it any other way." }, { "start": 1449.3400000000001, "end": 1453.78, "text": " No I like that, I like that a lot and I'm glad that you guys finally got to really express" }, { "start": 1453.78, "end": 1455.68, "text": " yourselves out on the show floor." }, { "start": 1455.68, "end": 1458.44, "text": " We definitely fell asleep a few times filming that." }, { "start": 1458.44, "end": 1459.44, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 1459.44, "end": 1461.24, "text": " We were sitting down and just staring at something." }, { "start": 1461.24, "end": 1463.8, "text": " We're just filming shots like just stare." }, { "start": 1463.8, "end": 1468.8400000000001, "text": " Stare at this guy playing guitar, stare at this fake dog." }, { "start": 1468.8400000000001, "end": 1471.52, "text": " And they're doing these back shots and I'm just like." }, { "start": 1471.52, "end": 1472.52, "text": " You're already tired." }, { "start": 1472.52, "end": 1473.52, "text": " You're already exhausted." }, { "start": 1473.52, "end": 1476.48, "text": " I literally fell asleep standing up at least three times yesterday." }, { "start": 1476.48, "end": 1477.48, "text": " Yeah it's insane." }, { "start": 1477.48, "end": 1482.88, "text": " So this is our, I just want to say we gotta wrap up here but this is our final first of" }, { "start": 1482.88, "end": 1483.88, "text": " CES." }, { "start": 1483.88, "end": 1484.88, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 1484.88, "end": 1488.8000000000002, "text": " This is one incredible, one incredible four days it's been." }, { "start": 1488.8000000000002, "end": 1491.92, "text": " It feels like we've been, I have to say the show's really matured." }, { "start": 1491.92, "end": 1495.44, "text": " I remember when we first sat down here it seems like only yesterday." }, { "start": 1495.44, "end": 1497.3600000000001, "text": " And in fact it was only four days ago." }, { "start": 1497.3600000000001, "end": 1498.8400000000001, "text": " And technically if you think of all the sleep we've had." }, { "start": 1498.8400000000001, "end": 1499.8400000000001, "text": " Three days ago." }, { "start": 1499.8400000000001, "end": 1500.8400000000001, "text": " It has just been one day." }, { "start": 1500.8400000000001, "end": 1501.8400000000001, "text": " One sleep cycle." }, { "start": 1501.8400000000001, "end": 1503.68, "text": " It's been one long sleepless day." }, { "start": 1503.68, "end": 1507.3600000000001, "text": " But really pretty crazy and we've done, do you know how many videos we've done at CES?" }, { "start": 1507.3600000000001, "end": 1508.3600000000001, "text": " Hundreds at this point." }, { "start": 1508.3600000000001, "end": 1509.3600000000001, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1509.3600000000001, "end": 1510.3600000000001, "text": " It's been hundreds." }, { "start": 1510.3600000000001, 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1539.1599999999999, "text": " a ton of people watching." }, { "start": 1539.1599999999999, "end": 1540.6799999999998, "text": " And I've really enjoyed it." }, { "start": 1540.68, "end": 1547.0800000000002, "text": " I want to say I've enjoyed my time with you as the co-host." }, { "start": 1547.0800000000002, "end": 1549.2, "text": " Our co-host, Dana, has been really special." }, { "start": 1549.2, "end": 1550.2, "text": " I'm really going to miss you Josh." }, { "start": 1550.2, "end": 1551.2, "text": " I'm going to miss you." }, { "start": 1551.2, "end": 1552.2, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1552.2, "end": 1553.2, "text": " Because this has been a good run." }, { "start": 1553.2, "end": 1554.2, "text": " Take care." }, { "start": 1554.2, "end": 1555.2, "text": " No, that was a bad shake." }, { "start": 1555.2, "end": 1556.2, "text": " Can we get, it's been a good run." }, { "start": 1556.2, "end": 1557.2, "text": " Is that better?" }, { "start": 1557.2, "end": 1558.2, "text": " That's more like it." }, { "start": 1558.2, "end": 1559.2, "text": " We'll just edit that in post." }, { "start": 1559.2, "end": 1563.3600000000001, "text": " We'll just make that seem like we had a smooth." }, { "start": 1563.3600000000001, "end": 1564.3600000000001, "text": " Let's just keep this going." }, { "start": 1564.3600000000001, "end": 1565.3600000000001, "text": " Let's just see if you want to keep going." }, { "start": 1565.3600000000001, "end": 1566.3600000000001, "text": " Top shelf later?" }, { "start": 1566.3600000000001, "end": 1567.76, "text": " Top shelf later today, 90 on 90." }, { "start": 1567.76, "end": 1568.76, "text": " Vergecast after hours?" }, { "start": 1568.76, "end": 1572.28, "text": " Four hours of Vergecast after hours and that's it." }, { "start": 1572.28, "end": 1573.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1573.28, "end": 1574.92, "text": " You've been firsted." }, { "start": 1574.92, "end": 1601.8000000000002, "text": " We still are." } ]

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number a lot in the robotics industry." }, { "start": 406.6, "end": 407.84000000000003, "text": " Yeah, but not from me." }, { "start": 407.84000000000003, "end": 408.84000000000003, "text": " Not from you?" }, { "start": 408.84000000000003, "end": 409.84000000000003, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 409.84000000000003, "end": 412.96000000000004, "text": " I'm a... I believe one step at a time." }, { "start": 412.96000000000004, "end": 420.40000000000003, "text": " I think that when people start making grandiose statements about what in a mere few years" }, { "start": 420.40000000000003, "end": 426.56, "text": " is possible or what their fear is in a few years, we're not close." }, { "start": 426.56, "end": 435.12, "text": " We need to pick applications that have real concrete value to customers, deliver exceed" }, { "start": 435.12, "end": 437.32, "text": " their expectations, and move on." }, { "start": 437.32, "end": 443.88, "text": " I think that the Roomba is such an amazing example of what can happen if you do something" }, { "start": 443.88, "end": 448.56, "text": " very basic, incredibly... But not random." }, { "start": 448.56, "end": 452.92, "text": " Not random, but very well." }, { "start": 452.92, "end": 457.36, "text": " There's over 8 million Roombas that have been sold." }, { "start": 457.36, "end": 462.68, "text": " And we are the fastest growing segment of the vacuuming industry." }, { "start": 462.68, "end": 468.56, "text": " And around the world, robot vacuuming just a few years ago went from being non-existent" }, { "start": 468.56, "end": 475.32, "text": " to being a category on itself where in many countries, we are one of the leading vacuum" }, { "start": 475.32, "end": 477.40000000000003, "text": " cleaners sold." }, { "start": 477.40000000000003, "end": 481.32, "text": " And so that's a business." }, { "start": 481.32, "end": 487.44, "text": " That's something that will allow us to make money, reinvest money, create new things," }, { "start": 487.44, "end": 488.88, "text": " and accelerate the marketplace." }, { "start": 488.88, "end": 494.52, "text": " So pick something, do it very well, move on to the next thing, and then over time, as" }, { "start": 494.52, "end": 502.15999999999997, "text": " I mentioned, these point solutions for cleaning will be coming increasingly self-reliant." }, { "start": 502.15999999999997, "end": 506.44, "text": " So you may have to interact with them once a year." }, { "start": 506.44, "end": 513.24, "text": " And a robot like this comes along, greets you at the door, you interact with it, and" }, { "start": 513.24, "end": 515.88, "text": " from there your house knows what to do and how to take care of itself." }, { "start": 515.88, "end": 516.88, "text": " Awesome." }, { "start": 516.88, "end": 517.88, "text": " Well, thank you so much." }, { "start": 517.88, "end": 518.88, "text": " I look forward to that future." }, { "start": 518.88, "end": 519.88, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 519.88, "end": 530.88, "text": " I don't know really what to say to a robot." }, { "start": 530.88, "end": 537.72, "text": " I love you." } ]

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[ { "start": 0, "end": 4.28, "text": " Hey guys, I'm Adrienne Jeffries." }, { "start": 4.28, "end": 9.28, "text": " I'm here with Dave Vondel who is the co-founder of Central Standard Timing, the makers of" }, { "start": 9.28, "end": 12.6, "text": " this very cool e-ink watch, the CST-1." }, { "start": 12.6, "end": 16.12, "text": " Hi Dave, thanks for coming to talk with us today." }, { "start": 16.12, "end": 17.32, "text": " Yeah, thank you." }, { "start": 17.32, "end": 22.080000000000002, "text": " So tell me, where did the idea for this watch come from?" }, { "start": 22.080000000000002, "end": 26.16, "text": " Well I've been working on it for, I'll shut up." }, { "start": 26.16, "end": 34.96, "text": " I've been working on the CST-01 for about a year now and I worked a lot with e-ink on" }, { "start": 34.96, "end": 36.16, "text": " a lot of the other work that I do." }, { "start": 36.16, "end": 38.96, "text": " I work at a design consulting firm called IDEO." }, { "start": 38.96, "end": 44.68, "text": " And so I came across their technology, which is this thin, flexible e-ink display that's" }, { "start": 44.68, "end": 45.68, "text": " segmented." }, { "start": 45.68, "end": 51.56, "text": " And I was always drawn to it because it's segmented, it's super robust, super low power" }, { "start": 51.56, "end": 52.56, "text": " and it's flexible." }, { "start": 52.56, "end": 55.28, "text": " And what does that mean, segmented?" }, { "start": 55.28, "end": 56.480000000000004, "text": " Segmented instead of pixel based." }, { "start": 56.480000000000004, "end": 62.88, "text": " So we designed a series of segments, so kind of like a seven segment display." }, { "start": 62.88, "end": 65.48, "text": " If you look at old digital watches, they have the seven segment, it looks like a figure" }, { "start": 65.48, "end": 66.48, "text": " eight." }, { "start": 66.48, "end": 70.3, "text": " We made our own version of something like that for this, but that allows us to render" }, { "start": 70.3, "end": 74.3, "text": " the numbers a lot better." }, { "start": 74.3, "end": 79.36, "text": " And so if you design the segments properly, then you can have this really thin, really" }, { "start": 79.36, "end": 81.72, "text": " flexible, super low power display." }, { "start": 81.72, "end": 87, "text": " And I always thought that there could be a really cool product out there that used something" }, { "start": 87, "end": 90.72, "text": " like this in kind of a fashion type object." }, { "start": 90.72, "end": 94.16, "text": " So when was that, when you were first thinking of the idea?" }, { "start": 94.16, "end": 95.16, "text": " Do you remember when you first?" }, { "start": 95.16, "end": 98.6, "text": " That was like January in 2009." }, { "start": 98.6, "end": 103.52, "text": " We worked on a project with Bug Labs and we came up with a concept to have a thin, flexible" }, { "start": 103.52, "end": 107.28, "text": " display on the side of their Bug base unit." }, { "start": 107.28, "end": 114.24, "text": " And we designed a segmented font for that and my buddy Nick Zambetti, my partner Jerry" }, { "start": 114.24, "end": 119.88, "text": " O'Leary, the other co-founder, we all worked together and we developed this font for that" }, { "start": 119.88, "end": 122.72, "text": " and I always wanted to use that font." }, { "start": 122.72, "end": 128.52, "text": " So that kind of was the genesis of this where it was in the back of my mind since 2009." }, { "start": 128.52, "end": 134.56, "text": " And then when I found this microcontroller from Epson that had everything I needed in" }, { "start": 134.56, "end": 139.56, "text": " it for a watch that also had an E Ink driver, I saw that press release and I kind of thought," }, { "start": 139.56, "end": 141.88, "text": " all right, well, it's time to start working on this now." }, { "start": 141.88, "end": 144.84, "text": " And what made you think watch?" }, { "start": 144.84, "end": 149.12, "text": " Watches aren't like, in 2009 especially, people weren't thinking of watches as a cool thing." }, { "start": 149.12, "end": 154.88, "text": " I think people were kind of thinking that watches were going to kind of fade away." }, { "start": 154.88, "end": 160.36, "text": " The way that we got to watch was the font needed to be, in order for the font to work," }, { "start": 160.36, "end": 162.52, "text": " it needed to be fairly large." }, { "start": 162.52, "end": 167.16, "text": " So the one that we created was alphanumeric and so I wanted to have, so it needed to be" }, { "start": 167.16, "end": 171.64000000000001, "text": " about this big in order for the font to work with the display." }, { "start": 171.64000000000001, "end": 175.4, "text": " And I was just thinking through different things that we could use this for and I thought" }, { "start": 175.4, "end": 177.08, "text": " it would be really cool to do a word clock." }, { "start": 177.08, "end": 183.60000000000002, "text": " So when it was off your wrist and on the table, it would say, you know, like 1230 in letters" }, { "start": 183.60000000000002, "end": 185.96, "text": " and then when you put it on your wrist, then it would change." }, { "start": 185.96, "end": 190.42000000000002, "text": " So that was where it came from and then as we got into the constraints of the project," }, { "start": 190.42, "end": 196, "text": " we found that it would be better to just focus on the time and just think about the most" }, { "start": 196, "end": 198.04, "text": " minimal expression of a watch." }, { "start": 198.04, "end": 199.64, "text": " I think it works." }, { "start": 199.64, "end": 201.51999999999998, "text": " And so you put it on Kickstarter yesterday?" }, { "start": 201.51999999999998, "end": 202.51999999999998, "text": " Yesterday." }, { "start": 202.51999999999998, "end": 205.32, "text": " And how much money have you raised on Kickstarter so far?" }, { "start": 205.32, "end": 206.32, "text": " Just over 130,000." }, { "start": 206.32, "end": 210.72, "text": " In how many hours would that be?" }, { "start": 210.72, "end": 215.32, "text": " We launched at 5 o'clock yesterday." }, { "start": 215.32, "end": 218.56, "text": " And it's now 1.09." }, { "start": 218.56, "end": 220.04, "text": " So that's pretty incredible." }, { "start": 220.04, "end": 224.44, "text": " What made you decide to put the project on Kickstarter?" }, { "start": 224.44, "end": 228.84, "text": " Well we've got minimum manufacturing volumes." }, { "start": 228.84, "end": 231.92, "text": " I designed it and worked on it because I wanted to see it made." }, { "start": 231.92, "end": 237.2, "text": " And we've got minimum volumes that we have to hit so the best way that we found to do" }, { "start": 237.2, "end": 241.72, "text": " it with where we're at is to launch it on Kickstarter and get backers." }, { "start": 241.72, "end": 243.88, "text": " And did you expect it to, what did you expect?" }, { "start": 243.88, 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least 15 years, maybe even more." }, { "start": 287.2, "end": 295.48, "text": " And it's a much more robust, reliable battery under flexing than thin lithium polymer batteries." }, { "start": 295.48, "end": 303.6, "text": " So we've actually built a rig where we had this flexing for over a thousand times, more" }, { "start": 303.6, "end": 307.26000000000005, "text": " than this, all the way to flat and it was still doing fine." }, { "start": 307.26000000000005, "end": 308.6, "text": " This rig, tell me about this rig." }, { "start": 308.6, "end": 310.56, "text": " This is back in Chicago where you're based." }, { "start": 310.56, "end": 313.44, "text": " And what is the, the rig actually just goes like this a thousand times?" }, { "start": 313.44, "end": 319.12, "text": " Well it's not on the watch itself but we glue a battery to a piece of stainless steel, a" }, { "start": 319.12, "end": 324.40000000000003, "text": " thinner piece, and it just rolls it and then unrolls it and rolls it and unrolls it." }, { "start": 324.40000000000003, "end": 327.56, "text": " And then I'll do that for a certain amount of time and then I'll test the battery, see" }, { "start": 327.56, "end": 329.44, "text": " if the battery is still performing the way it is." }, { "start": 329.44, "end": 331.36, "text": " And you actually built that thing, right?" }, { "start": 331.36, "end": 332.36, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 332.36, "end": 334.16, "text": " What does your workshop look like in Chicago?" }, { "start": 334.16, "end": 342.08000000000004, "text": " It's a, so I work at IDEO and I work in the Chicago office of IDEO." }, { "start": 342.08000000000004, "end": 349.88, "text": " We've got a nice workshop and a little electronics lab that I just took a servo off the shelf" }, { "start": 349.88, "end": 355.64, "text": " and connected to an Arduino board and built a little rig to, or actually I didn't, sorry." }, { "start": 355.64, "end": 362.02000000000004, "text": " A colleague of mine, Garrett, who's working with us, built the rig for us and did the" }, { "start": 362.02, "end": 363.02, "text": " Arduino thing." }, { "start": 363.02, "end": 365.32, "text": " So I got to give him credit for that." }, { "start": 365.32, "end": 366.32, "text": " That's cool." }, { "start": 366.32, "end": 371.2, "text": " So originally you said this was developed for Bug Labs and you guys are still working" }, { "start": 371.2, "end": 372.2, "text": " at IDEO." }, { "start": 372.2, "end": 373.2, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 373.2, "end": 375.28, "text": " What, are they supportive of you having this side project?" }, { "start": 375.28, "end": 376.28, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 376.28, "end": 377.52, "text": " IDEO is very supportive." }, { "start": 377.52, "end": 383.79999999999995, "text": " They want to see people following their passions and they want to keep people happy." }, { "start": 383.79999999999995, "end": 388.12, "text": " And if you're a designer, you're always coming up with ideas and if you weren't able to follow" }, { "start": 388.12, "end": 389.12, "text": " them then it would be frustrating." }, { "start": 389.12, "end": 390.12, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 390.12, "end": 392.48, "text": " I think we probably all want some of these watches as well." }, { "start": 392.48, "end": 393.48, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 393.48, "end": 395.76, "text": " There are a lot of backers at IDEO already." }, { "start": 395.76, "end": 396.76, "text": " And mine turned black, I think." }, { "start": 396.76, "end": 397.76, "text": " Because I mean it's..." }, { "start": 397.76, "end": 398.76, "text": " Sorry?" }, { "start": 398.76, "end": 399.76, "text": " Mine turned black, I think." }, { "start": 399.76, "end": 401.24, "text": " Or was that the way it was before?" }, { "start": 401.24, "end": 403.72, "text": " Yeah, it flashes when it updates the time." }, { "start": 403.72, "end": 404.72, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 404.72, "end": 408.96, "text": " So when you're looking at it, it looks like it's just static, but, and then you're kind" }, { "start": 408.96, "end": 413.12, "text": " of surprised every time it changes to the next minute." }, { "start": 413.12, "end": 416.08, "text": " So if you want to demonstrate it to somebody for the first time, you might have to wait" }, { "start": 416.08, "end": 417.56, "text": " 60 seconds." }, { "start": 417.56, "end": 421.08, "text": " But it's definitely very cool looking." }, { "start": 421.08, "end": 424.88, "text": " So there's a patent pending on this device?" }, { "start": 424.88, "end": 425.88, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 425.88, "end": 434.44, "text": " We've filed a design patent and a provisional patent for a flexible, a watch of this nature." }, { "start": 434.44, "end": 437.28, "text": " And I've heard a couple of people say it kind of reminds them of a slap bracelet." }, { "start": 437.28, "end": 438.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 438.28, "end": 439.28, "text": " Did you guys hear that before?" }, { "start": 439.28, "end": 440.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 440.28, "end": 445.4, "text": " I mean that's something that, it is very, it's a similar thickness as a slap bracelet," }, { "start": 445.4, "end": 449.4, "text": " but we didn't want to go for something that was kind of novelty like that." }, { "start": 449.4, "end": 452.15999999999997, "text": " It's more of a nicer object than that." }, { "start": 452.15999999999997, "end": 453.15999999999997, "text": " Awesome." }, { "start": 453.15999999999997, "end": 458.79999999999995, "text": " Well, it looks great and super simple, minimal product that is, it's definitely getting a" }, { "start": 458.79999999999995, "end": 461.76, "text": " lot of attention and excitement here at CES." }, { "start": 461.76, "end": 464.03999999999996, "text": " So thanks so much for coming on to talk about it." }, { "start": 464.03999999999996, "end": 465.03999999999996, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 465.03999999999996, "end": 469, "text": " And one thing that I wanted, a bunch of people on the Kickstarter said that nobody, nobody" }, { "start": 469, "end": 470.88, "text": " actually shows the thinness of it." }, { "start": 470.88, "end": 473.71999999999997, "text": " So I wanted to do that, take this time on the camera." }, { "start": 473.71999999999997, "end": 474.71999999999997, "text": " So..." }, { "start": 474.72, "end": 478.28000000000003, "text": " That's the thickness of the watch itself." }, { "start": 478.28000000000003, "end": 479.28000000000003, "text": " So..." }, { "start": 479.28000000000003, "end": 480.28000000000003, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 480.28000000000003, "end": 481.28000000000003, "text": " Great." }, { "start": 481.28000000000003, "end": 482.28000000000003, "text": " Thanks so much." }, { "start": 482.28000000000003, "end": 483.28000000000003, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 483.28, "end": 505.79999999999995, "text": " Thanks for having me." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 4.5600000000000005, "text": " Hey guys, it's Neil I here at the Verge." }, { "start": 4.5600000000000005, "end": 9.64, "text": " I'm in our studio and Alexis Ohanian, does this say Reddit on your badge?" }, { "start": 9.64, "end": 10.64, "text": " Just says Reddit on your badge." }, { "start": 10.64, "end": 11.64, "text": " It does, it does just say Reddit on my badge." }, { "start": 11.64, "end": 17.56, "text": " But also General Bon-Vivant, man about town, internet bro, just rolled in and demanded" }, { "start": 17.56, "end": 19.2, "text": " to go on air so here we are." }, { "start": 19.2, "end": 20.6, "text": " Yeah, I got pretty feisty." }, { "start": 20.6, "end": 24.240000000000002, "text": " You guys had nice comfortable sofas and I needed someone to sit down so thank you." }, { "start": 24.240000000000002, "end": 25.240000000000002, "text": " Yeah, they're very nice, very comfortable." }, { "start": 25.240000000000002, "end": 28.28, "text": " Anyway, so 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"end": 76.92, "text": " Suck it, Maslow." }, { "start": 76.92, "end": 77.92, "text": " Yeah, he could have never seen the internet coming, right?" }, { "start": 77.92, "end": 78.92, "text": " He didn't know, man." }, { "start": 78.92, "end": 79.92, "text": " He didn't have a GS3." }, { "start": 79.92, "end": 82.52, "text": " He had Maslow at Samsung GS3." }, { "start": 82.52, "end": 83.52, "text": " He's like, oh." }, { "start": 83.52, "end": 84.52, "text": " Game change." }, { "start": 84.52, "end": 85.52, "text": " So I got to change my book." }, { "start": 85.52, "end": 86.52, "text": " All of a sudden, I'm going to stop writing." }, { "start": 86.52, "end": 90.52, "text": " Like, who's going to be too busy playing Angry Birds to bother getting it all done?" }, { "start": 90.52, "end": 91.64, "text": " Well, I will say this." }, { "start": 91.64, "end": 95.84, "text": " I come to CS every year and I, for the past few years I did, I tried to do a bunch of" }, { "start": 95.84, "end": 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"text": " people in Washington realizing that they all have a digital district." }, { "start": 195.07999999999998, "end": 197.79999999999998, "text": " I think that's my favorite catchphrase that's come out of this weekend." }, { "start": 197.8, "end": 200.88000000000002, "text": " Because it's not just, you know, if you're in Silicon Valley." }, { "start": 200.88000000000002, "end": 204.88000000000002, "text": " It's every district in America has constituents who care about this." }, { "start": 204.88000000000002, "end": 209.92000000000002, "text": " And you know, these policy discussions, they're not going to go anywhere until it is so clear" }, { "start": 209.92000000000002, "end": 214.32000000000002, "text": " that every American cares about this, that making a decision against the best interest" }, { "start": 214.32000000000002, "end": 217.92000000000002, "text": " of the open Internet is going to upset all of your voters and make sure you don't have" }, { "start": 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"text": " they've got a lot of very smart people from Apple and he was like to ship our first product," }, { "start": 710.8, "end": 714.1999999999999, "text": " it took 70 people and it's a thermostat." }, { "start": 714.1999999999999, "end": 716.12, "text": " A pretty really thermostat." }, { "start": 716.12, "end": 719.56, "text": " They're using smartphone part, they basically built a smartphone that can control your furnace" }, { "start": 719.56, "end": 722.68, "text": " and he's like it took 70 people to make that project." }, { "start": 722.68, "end": 726.5999999999999, "text": " I don't know that you can crowd fund your way into 70 people." }, { "start": 726.5999999999999, "end": 727.9599999999999, "text": " Yeah I mean it's to be seen." }, { "start": 727.9599999999999, "end": 730.9599999999999, "text": " I know the pebble watch team is maybe 2,000 I think?" }, { "start": 730.9599999999999, "end": 731.9599999999999, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 731.9599999999999, "end": 736.4799999999999, "text": " I don't know how many minutes and you know we're still, I guess what gives me hope and" }, { "start": 736.48, "end": 742.2, "text": " I'm the, well glass is not half full but it's a quarter full, it's not even close." }, { "start": 742.2, "end": 747.5600000000001, "text": " I'm an optimistic guy and I really want to believe that long term it is going to, thank" }, { "start": 747.5600000000001, "end": 750.6800000000001, "text": " you, thank you that's very empowering of you." }, { "start": 750.6800000000001, "end": 751.6800000000001, "text": " Long term." }, { "start": 751.6800000000001, "end": 752.6800000000001, "text": " My glass is now empty." }, { "start": 752.6800000000001, "end": 755.6800000000001, "text": " So I just want you to know that my part of this conversation is going to get weird." }, { "start": 755.6800000000001, "end": 757.6800000000001, "text": " I see where you're coming from right now." }, { "start": 757.6800000000001, "end": 758.6800000000001, "text": " Oh geez." }, { "start": 758.6800000000001, "end": 759.6800000000001, "text": " Go ahead." }, { "start": 759.6800000000001, "end": 764.28, "text": " But I absolutely see a future where, you know we are now what two, three years into the" }, { "start": 764.28, "end": 766, "text": " Kickstarter experiment." }, { "start": 766, "end": 773.12, "text": " It's still so early, so early that the long term future just, it makes a lot more sense" }, { "start": 773.12, "end": 778.12, "text": " to me that you would build something as intensive as hardware whether it's a thermostat or a" }, { "start": 778.12, "end": 784.16, "text": " watch based on demand as opposed to building it and trying it Hollywood style of just like" }, { "start": 784.16, "end": 787.56, "text": " throwing enough ads and trying to convince someone that you know John Carter is going" }, { "start": 787.56, "end": 789.36, "text": " to be a good movie which I haven't seen." }, { "start": 789.36, "end": 790.36, "text": " That's probably not fair." }, { "start": 790.36, "end": 791.36, "text": " So you don't, John Carter is a terrible movie." }, { "start": 791.36, "end": 792.36, "text": " Is it bad?" }, { "start": 792.36, "end": 793.36, "text": " Oh okay." }, { "start": 793.36, "end": 794.36, "text": " Based on a classic sci-fi canon." }, { "start": 794.36, "end": 798.84, "text": " Yeah but the thing is that the other movies that came out after, there are so many other" }, { "start": 798.84, "end": 802.52, "text": " movies that ripped off the book that now John Carter seems cliche." }, { "start": 802.52, "end": 805.52, "text": " It's like Van Halen." }, { "start": 805.52, "end": 808.52, "text": " Van Halen guitar solos seem really cheesy to you now and then you think to yourself," }, { "start": 808.52, "end": 810.12, "text": " he was the first guy." }, { "start": 810.12, "end": 811.12, "text": " Who rocked out with the guitars." }, { "start": 811.12, "end": 812.12, "text": " Huh." }, { "start": 812.12, "end": 813.12, "text": " I've never." }, { "start": 813.12, "end": 814.12, "text": " The cheesiness factor." }, { "start": 814.12, "end": 815.12, "text": " The context is." }, { "start": 815.12, "end": 816.12, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 816.12, "end": 817.12, "text": " It's the price of fame dude." }, { "start": 817.12, "end": 819.72, "text": " Someday people are going to think you're super cheesy because you're so famous." }, { "start": 819.72, "end": 820.72, "text": " I think they already do." }, { "start": 820.72, "end": 823.6, "text": " Does that mean I'm super famous or just super cheesy?" }, { "start": 823.6, "end": 824.6, "text": " You're just the mayor of New York." }, { "start": 824.6, "end": 825.6, "text": " Damn it." }, { "start": 825.6, "end": 828.6, "text": " It's far off the road." }, { "start": 828.6, "end": 831.6800000000001, "text": " No I mean, let me ask you this." }, { "start": 831.6800000000001, "end": 836.96, "text": " Is there not a danger 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"text": " I don't know, I still don't believe they could execute it nearly as well as a team that's" }, { "start": 947.72, "end": 949.4399999999999, "text": " so wholeheartedly focused on it." }, { "start": 949.4399999999999, "end": 953.68, "text": " But I mean my response to that would be to focus on the hardware software difference" }, { "start": 953.68, "end": 958.92, "text": " because it's really hard to do software but I think if you are Samsung it's way easier" }, { "start": 958.92, "end": 962.4, "text": " for you to do hardware than any team of indies." }, { "start": 962.4, "end": 966.6, "text": " And I think the cost and the scale and getting the distribution and going to Best Buy, if" }, { "start": 966.6, "end": 969.28, "text": " you're Samsung you may hunt 1000 or anything, if you're Samsung you can say we're going" }, { "start": 969.28, "end": 973.36, "text": " to make a point and shoot camera that's an Android device and make AT&T sell it even" }, { "start": 973.36, "end": 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"end": 1013.48, "text": " The Apple store." }, { "start": 1013.48, "end": 1014.48, "text": " Oh, the regular people?" }, { "start": 1014.48, "end": 1015.48, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1015.48, "end": 1016.48, "text": " Not the nerds." }, { "start": 1016.48, "end": 1017.48, "text": " Not the nerds." }, { "start": 1017.48, "end": 1018.48, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1018.48, "end": 1019.48, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 1019.48, "end": 1020.48, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1020.48, "end": 1021.48, "text": " I mean, okay yes I've seen the lines and I mean, they're beautiful stores." }, { "start": 1021.48, "end": 1022.48, "text": " They're the best apps of the Apple stores around the world." }, { "start": 1022.48, "end": 1023.48, "text": " I hear they've done well." }, { "start": 1023.48, "end": 1027.68, "text": " Yes, you've seen Microsoft and Samsung racing to copy their strategy." }, { "start": 1027.68, "end": 1030.64, "text": " That is like, well and that's, here's another 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you want me to give you some water?" }, { "start": 1093.76, "end": 1094.76, "text": " Yeah, please." }, { "start": 1094.76, "end": 1095.76, "text": " Oh, God, it feels so good." }, { "start": 1095.76, "end": 1096.76, "text": " There you go." }, { "start": 1096.76, "end": 1097.76, "text": " Oh, yeah." }, { "start": 1097.76, "end": 1098.76, "text": " That's amazing." }, { "start": 1098.76, "end": 1099.76, "text": " That's it." }, { "start": 1099.76, "end": 1100.76, "text": " Give me those glasses." }, { "start": 1100.76, "end": 1101.76, "text": " That's the water of optimism." }, { "start": 1101.76, "end": 1102.76, "text": " Now you're going to start crying." }, { "start": 1102.76, "end": 1103.76, "text": " No, I will say this." }, { "start": 1103.76, "end": 1105.2, "text": " We talk a lot as we cover this show." }, { "start": 1105.2, "end": 1106.2, "text": " We were here in force." }, { "start": 1106.2, "end": 1107.2, "text": " We've got 68 people." }, { "start": 1107.2, "end": 1109.04, "text": " We're rolling deep." }, { "start": 1109.04, "end": 1113.88, "text": " We talk a lot about how covering the show for us isn't necessarily all about the news." }, { "start": 1113.88, "end": 1118.56, "text": " The news is important and the product announcements are great and whatever, but the visceral experience" }, { "start": 1118.56, "end": 1122.52, "text": " of we're here, the entire industry is here, everybody you could possibly want to talk" }, { "start": 1122.52, "end": 1126.68, "text": " to is here, and everybody thinks the world is cool and going to do better stuff." }, { "start": 1126.68, "end": 1131.8, "text": " We're trying to communicate that to like basically myself as a teenager." }, { "start": 1131.8, "end": 1133.48, "text": " That's what I think of my reader as, right?" }, { "start": 1133.48, "end": 1138.3600000000001, "text": " I think of you, like the mass of our readers is people who love technology, who don't have" }, { "start": 1138.3600000000001, "end": 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on, I don't have the connections at Fox" }, { "start": 1227.72, "end": 1228.72, "text": " Tron." }, { "start": 1228.72, "end": 1230.6000000000001, "text": " I don't have decades of Japanese miniaturation experience." }, { "start": 1230.6000000000001, "end": 1234.92, "text": " Let alone an army of underpaid Chinese employees to manufacture it at scale." }, { "start": 1234.92, "end": 1237.7, "text": " Soon we'll have those throughout the heartland because of the open internet." }, { "start": 1237.7, "end": 1238.7, "text": " Think about it." }, { "start": 1238.7, "end": 1239.7, "text": " Wait, what?" }, { "start": 1239.7, "end": 1240.7, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 1240.7, "end": 1244.68, "text": " I'm just trying to get you to have your weeds or your empty glass." }, { "start": 1244.68, "end": 1245.68, "text": " I will say that." }, { "start": 1245.68, "end": 1250.76, "text": " I will say that the thing that's different about the Asus concept cars and the bunch" }, { "start": 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"end": 1320.48, "text": " We actually met one in Boulder on the bus tour that does all of their prototyping right" }, { "start": 1320.48, "end": 1321.48, "text": " there." }, { "start": 1321.48, "end": 1322.48, "text": " They got a 3D printer." }, { "start": 1322.48, "end": 1325.0800000000002, "text": " They make these badass 21st century Legos." }, { "start": 1325.0800000000002, "end": 1329, "text": " These little cubes that stick together and start whirring or spinning and rotating." }, { "start": 1329, "end": 1334.2, "text": " They do all of their manufacturing except for a few basic circuits right there in Colorado." }, { "start": 1334.2, "end": 1337.2, "text": " They can do so with some 3D printers." }, { "start": 1337.2, "end": 1340.84, "text": " It's still so early but you can get a glimpse into what's going to hopefully be a pretty" }, { "start": 1340.84, "end": 1343.08, "text": " awesome next five to ten years." }, { "start": 1343.08, "end": 1344.08, "text": " Two questions." }, { "start": 1344.08, "end": 1345.08, "text": " Sure." }, { "start": 1345.08, "end": 1346.72, "text": " One, what's the best thing you've seen here so far?" }, { "start": 1346.72, "end": 1347.72, "text": " The best thing?" }, { "start": 1347.72, "end": 1349.28, "text": " Aside from the Verge compound." }, { "start": 1349.28, "end": 1351.32, "text": " Damn, you beat me to it." }, { "start": 1351.32, "end": 1355.48, "text": " Well, and again I'm biased because I'm chummy with the pebble guys but I am really, really" }, { "start": 1355.48, "end": 1356.48, "text": " hopeful." }, { "start": 1356.48, "end": 1357.48, "text": " I am too." }, { "start": 1357.48, "end": 1360.6, "text": " I really think it's going to, I'm looking forward." }, { "start": 1360.6, "end": 1361.6, "text": " I got the black one." }, { "start": 1361.6, "end": 1363.44, "text": " I'm really hoping it meets and lives up to expectations." }, { "start": 1363.44, "end": 1364.44, "text": " So yeah, probably pebble." }, { "start": 1364.44, "end": 1366.3600000000001, "text": " And then what was your second question?" }, { "start": 1366.3600000000001, "end": 1369.32, "text": " My last question is a question I'm asking everybody." }, { "start": 1369.32, "end": 1370.32, "text": " What apps are on your screen?" }, { "start": 1370.32, "end": 1373.08, "text": " Oh, I do have my phone on me." }, { "start": 1373.08, "end": 1374.24, "text": " I think, okay let's see." }, { "start": 1374.24, "end": 1375.24, "text": " Evernote." }, { "start": 1375.24, "end": 1376.24, "text": " Oh, good." }, { "start": 1376.24, "end": 1379.52, "text": " Oh, I turned my phone off because I wanted to be a responsible interviewee." }, { "start": 1379.52, "end": 1380.52, "text": " Evernote." }, { "start": 1380.52, "end": 1383, "text": " Alien Blue, of course, for reading the Reddit." }, { "start": 1383, "end": 1384.3600000000001, "text": " We don't have an official app at Reddit." }, { "start": 1384.3600000000001, "end": 1387.32, 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1406, "end": 1408.9199999999998, "text": " Okay, well we're out of time." }, { "start": 1408.9199999999998, "end": 1410.6799999999998, "text": " Thank you so much, Les, for being here." }, { "start": 1410.6799999999998, "end": 1412.8, "text": " People who are watching, you should stick around." }, { "start": 1412.8, "end": 1416.6399999999999, "text": " Top Shelf is coming up at 3, 4, sometime very soon." }, { "start": 1416.64, "end": 1417.64, "text": " 3 o'clock." }, { "start": 1417.64, "end": 1420.16, "text": " Top Shelf is coming up at 3, so stick around." }, { "start": 1420.16, "end": 1422.8400000000001, "text": " We're actually going to halve all of the watches that we've been talking about." }, { "start": 1422.8400000000001, "end": 1426.68, "text": " The Pebble, the Central Standard Timing, the world's thinnest one." }, { "start": 1426.68, "end": 1427.68, "text": " We're going to have a bunch of stuff." }, { "start": 1427.68, "end": 1428.68, "text": " This will be great." }, { "start": 1428.68, "end": 1429.68, "text": " I won't be here." }, { "start": 1429.68, "end": 1430.68, "text": " It'll be David Pearson." }, { "start": 1430.68, "end": 1433.0400000000002, "text": " Some other guys don't know what's good." }, { "start": 1433.0400000000002, "end": 1435.0400000000002, "text": " And that show will surely start on time." }, { "start": 1435.0400000000002, "end": 1436.0400000000002, "text": " You're done." }, { "start": 1436.0400000000002, "end": 1437.0400000000002, "text": " Let's cut this stream." }, { "start": 1437.0400000000002, "end": 1438.0400000000002, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 1438.0400000000002, "end": 1439.0400000000002, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1439.0400000000002, "end": 1440.0400000000002, "text": " Cut it off." }, { "start": 1440.0400000000002, "end": 1441.0400000000002, "text": " Oh, I need more water." }, { "start": 1441.0400000000002, "end": 1442.0400000000002, "text": " Can I fire you?" }, { "start": 1442.0400000000002, "end": 1443.0400000000002, "text": " You fired me." }, { "start": 1443.0400000000002, "end": 1444.0400000000002, "text": " Can you hire me first and then fire me?" }, { "start": 1444.0400000000002, "end": 1445.0400000000002, "text": " You're hired." }, { "start": 1445.0400000000002, "end": 1446.0400000000002, "text": " Thank you." }, { "start": 1446.04, "end": 1447.04, "text": " I'm a Pennsylvaniaan, everyone." }, { "start": 1447.04, "end": 1476.8799999999999, "text": " I'm going to clean up my desk." } ]

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grandparents." }, { "start": 34.66, "end": 36.26, "text": " So Christmas was amazing." }, { "start": 36.26, "end": 39.9, "text": " So this is the first year, I think, on record where thermostats were a popular Christmas" }, { "start": 39.9, "end": 40.9, "text": " gift." }, { "start": 40.9, "end": 43.26, "text": " Well, so that's really, I want to talk about that." }, { "start": 43.26, "end": 44.26, "text": " You guys made a thermostat." }, { "start": 44.26, "end": 45.64, "text": " You've got this huge team." }, { "start": 45.64, "end": 47.68, "text": " You were on the iPhone team." }, { "start": 47.68, "end": 52.239999999999995, "text": " Tony Fadella, the CEO, your co-founder, also famously in the iPod and iPod iPhone teams" }, { "start": 52.239999999999995, "end": 53.4, "text": " at Apple." }, { "start": 53.4, "end": 57.04, "text": " You built a thermostat that is basically a smartphone, right?" }, { "start": 57.04, "end": 58.92, "text": " It looks very much like a smartphone." }, { 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"end": 888.1600000000001, "text": " It was beautiful, but it breaks, scratches." }, { "start": 888.1600000000001, "end": 889.1600000000001, "text": " Then Apple went away from it." }, { "start": 889.1600000000001, "end": 892.32, "text": " Now everyone here at CS is like, Sony has a phone with a glass back." }, { "start": 892.32, "end": 893.32, "text": " Everybody copies Apple." }, { "start": 893.32, "end": 894.32, "text": " The iPhone 4 has a glass back." }, { "start": 894.32, "end": 897.44, "text": " I think there is an entire industry that just follows Apple." }, { "start": 897.44, "end": 899.5200000000001, "text": " That's what they do." }, { "start": 899.5200000000001, "end": 900.5200000000001, "text": " It's what they do." }, { "start": 900.5200000000001, "end": 904.12, "text": " But do you walk around seeing your old mistakes?" }, { "start": 904.12, "end": 908.48, "text": " We used to walk around CS and see iPod knockoffs back in the day." }, { "start": 908.48, "end": 910.84, "text": " It's a lot of fun." }, { "start": 910.84, "end": 913.72, "text": " Mimicry is a great compliment." }, { "start": 913.72, "end": 917.5200000000001, "text": " It's just funny because the idea of Sony putting out a 5... 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really want one." }, { "start": 964.52, "end": 967.44, "text": " If someone could make one and I could go buy it, I'll do it today." }, { "start": 967.44, "end": 968.44, "text": " I would do it." }, { "start": 968.44, "end": 971.64, "text": " Have you played in one of Google's self-driving cars?" }, { "start": 971.64, "end": 972.64, "text": " Google Ventures is one of your best." }, { "start": 972.64, "end": 973.64, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 973.64, "end": 974.64, "text": " Google Ventures is one of our biggest investors." }, { "start": 974.64, "end": 975.64, "text": " Bill Maris is on our board." }, { "start": 975.64, "end": 978.9200000000001, "text": " Actually, at our last board meeting last month, he showed up in a self-driving car." }, { "start": 978.92, "end": 979.92, "text": " That is ridiculous." }, { "start": 979.92, "end": 981.92, "text": " I come to your next board meeting." }, { "start": 981.92, "end": 982.92, "text": " Show up." }, { "start": 982.92, "end": 984.14, "text": " Check out the car." }, { "start": 984.14, "end": 986.4, "text": " How do you steal a self-driving car?" }, { "start": 986.4, "end": 988.52, "text": " I don't think you steal it." }, { "start": 988.52, "end": 989.52, "text": " It comes to you." }, { "start": 989.52, "end": 990.52, "text": " I think they just check them out." }, { "start": 990.52, "end": 993.52, "text": " They had a bunch of them over at Google." }, { "start": 993.52, "end": 995.0799999999999, "text": " Audi, what else?" }, { "start": 995.0799999999999, "end": 996.0799999999999, "text": " I like this Oculus Rift." }, { "start": 996.0799999999999, "end": 997.0799999999999, "text": " That's really cool." }, { "start": 997.0799999999999, "end": 999.64, "text": " Honestly, the TVs are pretty cool." }, { "start": 999.64, "end": 1000.64, "text": " Some of these 4K." }, { "start": 1000.64, "end": 1002.8, "text": " Isn't that just specs?" }, { "start": 1002.8, "end": 1005.4, "text": " It is, but it's freaking 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"start": 1111.6000000000001, "end": 1112.6000000000001, "text": " Maybe a lot." }, { "start": 1112.6000000000001, "end": 1113.6000000000001, "text": " Matt, always good to have you, man." }, { "start": 1113.6000000000001, "end": 1114.6000000000001, "text": " Great seeing you." }, { "start": 1114.6000000000001, "end": 1115.6000000000001, "text": " Talk soon." }, { "start": 1115.6, "end": 1125.9399999999998, "text": " Bye." } ]

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[ { "start": 0, "end": 10.76, "text": " I'm just going to take a seat here. I'm sure you won't mind. Hi, I'm Joshua Topolsky, the" }, { "start": 10.76, "end": 17, "text": " editor-in-chief of The Verge, which is a website on the Internet that covers technology, science," }, { "start": 17, "end": 22.64, "text": " art and culture. And you guys are currently in our super session, which is called Argue" }, { "start": 22.64, "end": 29.46, "text": " the Future 2, Return of the Future. And I think it's pretty apt because I think there" }, { "start": 29.46, "end": 34.88, "text": " have been a couple of things at this CES that make me feel like the future has come back" }, { "start": 34.88, "end": 39.08, "text": " a little bit. It has returned a little bit. And there's some pretty exciting things going" }, { "start": 39.08, "end": 43.72, "text": " on in technology right now. So we wanted to get a panel of people in this industry together" }, { "start": 43.72, "end": 49.120000000000005, "text": " who really know what they're talking about and are doing real things and just chat about" }, { "start": 49.120000000000005, "end": 53.72, "text": " where we're going right now, where we are right now, where we're going in the future." }, { "start": 53.72, "end": 60.96, "text": " So I'd like to bring up the panel and get this conversation underway. The first panelist" }, { "start": 60.96, "end": 70.32, "text": " is our managing editor, Nilay Patel, who is known online as Tornado92. Nilay? Sure, you" }, { "start": 70.32, "end": 77.68, "text": " can applaud. He deserves it. He's earned it. We also have Andy Forsell, who's the SVP of" }, { "start": 77.68, "end": 84.60000000000001, "text": " content at Hulu. And strangely, he's never seen snow. It's a weird fact about him." }, { "start": 84.60000000000001, "end": 85.60000000000001, "text": " The band snow?" }, { "start": 85.60000000000001, "end": 92.04, "text": " No, actual snow. Next up is Eric Chang, the director of photography at Lytro. He is an" }, { "start": 92.04, "end": 100.56, "text": " accomplished underwater photographer, but surprisingly bad at land photography." }, { "start": 100.56, "end": 106.96000000000001, "text": " And finally, last but certainly not least, Walt Mossberg, who you may know from the Wall" }, { "start": 106.96, "end": 113.72, "text": " Street Journal and his site All Things D. And interesting factoid about Walt, he's obsessed" }, { "start": 113.72, "end": 123.47999999999999, "text": " with market fresh strawberries. Is that true? Give him a round of applause." }, { "start": 123.47999999999999, "end": 130.24, "text": " So first off, thank you guys for doing this. You're all very busy here, except for Walt." }, { "start": 130.24, "end": 136.51999999999998, "text": " He's taking it easy. But I'm glad to have this group. I think there's some diversity." }, { "start": 136.52, "end": 142.16, "text": " Though I realize we've got three journalists up against two guys making this stuff." }, { "start": 142.16, "end": 143.16000000000003, "text": " You guys are screwed." }, { "start": 143.16000000000003, "end": 147.52, "text": " And I feel like if you notice us ganging up on anyone, just say stop. Leave it alone." }, { "start": 147.52, "end": 150.48000000000002, "text": " Does anybody have a red card they can hold up in the audience?" }, { "start": 150.48000000000002, "end": 155.36, "text": " Yeah, seriously. So the first question I want to ask is about going into the CES, there" }, { "start": 155.36, "end": 159.88, "text": " was a lot of talk about... First off, there's a lot of talk, oh, CES is over. 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But, you know, it usually takes about five CESs for some of" }, { "start": 337.92, "end": 341.16, "text": " these things to come down into the mainstream after they're introduced." }, { "start": 341.16, "end": 343.8, "text": " Can we still count them by CESs?" }, { "start": 343.8, "end": 344.8, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 344.8, "end": 345.8, "text": " Or do you think that that" }, { "start": 345.8, "end": 351, "text": " I mean, I saw Press release saying that they had attracted a record number of exhibitors" }, { "start": 351, "end": 355.72, "text": " and floor space and a large, about 150,000 people. So it doesn't sound like they're about" }, { "start": 355.72, "end": 356.72, "text": " to go away, but" }, { "start": 356.72, "end": 362.76, "text": " Right. Well, let's ask these guys, because they're here. I mean, Hulu's here. What are" }, { "start": 362.76, "end": 366.84000000000003, "text": " you doing here? I mean, you're not, maybe you're not showing, you know, but you're here" }, { "start": 366.84000000000003, "end": 372.48, "text": " in every product or trying to be in every product. So what's, what is this for you?" }, { "start": 372.48, "end": 375.52, "text": " What's happening right now? What are you doing here during this week?" }, { "start": 375.52, "end": 380.35999999999996, "text": " Yeah, I think my direct answer to that is probably not super exciting. We're here because" }, { "start": 380.35999999999996, "end": 382.79999999999995, "text": " we have so many hardware partners and this is a really efficient place to come talk to" }, { "start": 382.79999999999995, "end": 387.03999999999996, "text": " them. So, you know, we're here really for a ton of B2B conversations because it's a" }, { "start": 387.03999999999996, "end": 392.68, "text": " great place to do it. But, but I think that gets back to what Walt was saying is that" }, { "start": 392.68, "end": 398.32, "text": " hardware, software services, what everybody's trying to do, I think we're in a period where," }, { "start": 398.32, "end": 403.44, "text": " you know, we're still trying to digest all the hardware that's come out, all the capabilities" }, { "start": 403.44, "end": 408.28, "text": " that have increased in software, all the great services. A, how do you make those work together?" }, { "start": 408.28, "end": 411.56, "text": " Apple has one way of doing it. They try to control everything. The rest of the industry" }, { "start": 411.56, "end": 415.24, "text": " is trying to come up with other ways to solve that puzzle that are a little more distributed" }, { "start": 415.24, "end": 419.84, "text": " and that's still in process. So there's catch up going on there. And then B, since a lot" }, { "start": 419.84, "end": 424, "text": " of the capabilities that come out of those advances are about consuming media of various" }, { "start": 424, "end": 429.44, "text": " types, we're in this period where we're waiting for the business models to catch up on media," }, { "start": 429.44, "end": 435.48, "text": " whether it's video or print or anything, you know, radio to podcasting. I think we're in" }, { "start": 435.48, "end": 440.36, "text": " a period, as Walt says, it takes five years. It may take ten years for some of that to" }, { "start": 440.36, "end": 443.44, "text": " catch up and it's just business model change that can't happen overnight." }, { "start": 443.44, "end": 447.52, "text": " I mean, it does, it does feel, and you know, I think Lytro is actually, you guys are kind" }, { "start": 447.52, "end": 452.4, "text": " of a good example of this. You put your, when did your, the Lytro camera, when was it released" }, { "start": 452.4, "end": 453.4, "text": " to the consumer?" }, { "start": 453.4, "end": 454.4, "text": " At the end, at the end of February." }, { "start": 454.4, "end": 455.4, "text": " End of February." }, { "start": 455.4, "end": 456.4, "text": " And where did it debut?" }, { "start": 456.4, "end": 457.4, "text": " Yeah, it didn't debut." }, { "start": 457.4, "end": 458.4, "text": " Well, some said it was released." }, { "start": 458.4, "end": 459.4, "text": " Yeah, it didn't debut." }, { "start": 459.4, "end": 460.4, "text": " Well, some say it debuted at Asia D. Thank you." }, { "start": 460.4, "end": 461.4, "text": " You've got clout, Walt. You've got clout." }, { "start": 461.4, "end": 462.4, "text": " Is one of the people that say that here today?" }, { "start": 462.4, "end": 463.4, "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 463.4, "end": 464.4, "text": " One and a half." }, { "start": 464.4, "end": 474.4, "text": " That, but, but your product, it's a brand new product in the market. I mean, there's" }, { "start": 474.4, "end": 480.71999999999997, "text": " nothing else like it. You know, I reviewed it. It's got its, it's got some great features." }, { "start": 480.71999999999997, "end": 485.88, "text": " It's got some flaws, which I'm sure you guys are working on. But I don't understand it." }, { "start": 485.88, "end": 489.2, "text": " I don't think I understand your product yet. I don't think I understand what I can do with" }, { "start": 489.2, "end": 496.12, "text": " it. And I think that's a lot of our industry right now, that we made these things. Well," }, { "start": 496.12, "end": 500.96, "text": " not me. I don't make anything. But, you know, you guys made these things, and we're trying" }, { "start": 500.96, "end": 505.15999999999997, "text": " to figure out what to do with them now. I mean, that, that, even Apple seems to be," }, { "start": 505.15999999999997, "end": 509.44, "text": " in some ways, figuring out, well, we made the iPad, but is this all it can do? Or is" }, { "start": 509.44, "end": 511.76, "text": " this the, you know, the full extent of its ability?" }, { "start": 511.76, "end": 515.6, "text": " I mean, I would argue, I don't know that there has ever been a point in the history of technology" }, { "start": 515.6, "end": 519.72, "text": " where we fully figured something out before something else came along, and we moved on" }, { "start": 519.72, "end": 521.44, "text": " to trying to figure that out. Television." }, { "start": 521.44, "end": 524.5600000000001, "text": " I don't think we fully figured out television. You know what, television was originally," }, { "start": 524.5600000000001, "end": 528.32, "text": " I mean, there's, you know there's a big dispute. Somebody wrote a great book about it. I can't" }, { "start": 528.32, "end": 533.6, "text": " now remember who. Actually, Aaron Sorkin wrote a play about it." }, { "start": 533.6, "end": 535.52, "text": " That's right. Who invented television? There's a dispute" }, { "start": 535.52, "end": 540.52, "text": " about it. But there was a Russian inventor who was one of the people who was early on" }, { "start": 540.52, "end": 548.24, "text": " it, and he did it purely in his mind as a way to monitor the safety of people down in" }, { "start": 548.24, "end": 554.84, "text": " mines. And, you know, the telephone was originally thought to be something that where people" }, { "start": 554.84, "end": 558.4, "text": " in a town would have one telephone in a small town, and they'd all gather around and listen" }, { "start": 558.4, "end": 560.76, "text": " to opera coming out of the phone. So." }, { "start": 560.76, "end": 562.52, "text": " Right. That didn't pan out." }, { "start": 562.52, "end": 567.24, "text": " When Jobs did the iPad, that wasn't the first tablet. We'd gone through a whole, ten years" }, { "start": 567.24, "end": 576.32, "text": " of a failure to do tablets with the tablet PC. He did his thing, and there was lots of" }, { "start": 576.32, "end": 581.8, "text": " people, crowds of criticism, people saying, well, we have smartphones, we have laptops," }, { "start": 581.8, "end": 585.92, "text": " what is this for? And then how many has he sold? A hundred million of them or something" }, { "start": 585.92, "end": 586.92, "text": " by now?" }, { "start": 586.92, "end": 587.92, "text": " A handful." }, { "start": 587.92, "end": 591.32, "text": " And people are using them for all kinds of things. And so I think you're absolutely right." }, { "start": 591.32, "end": 593.48, "text": " People are still trying to digest it, discover it." }, { "start": 593.48, "end": 594.48, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 594.48, "end": 599.2, "text": " And we, Katie Barrett, my colleague and I walked around the health section. Some of" }, { "start": 599.2, "end": 602.52, "text": " you may have done that. If you haven't, I recommend it. It's really interesting." }, { "start": 602.52, "end": 603.9200000000001, "text": " It's also good exercise to walk around." }, { "start": 603.9200000000001, "end": 608.44, "text": " It's good exercise. There's quite a few of those people with iPads doing things with" }, { "start": 608.44, "end": 614.5600000000001, "text": " health over there that probably was not what the guys who designed it, you know, Johnny" }, { "start": 614.5600000000001, "end": 616.96, "text": " Ive wasn't sitting around saying, I'm making a medical device." }, { "start": 616.96, "end": 621.12, "text": " Well, they did show off early on the medical uses of the iPhone." }, { "start": 621.12, "end": 628, "text": " But I mean, I think people have come up with more things for it than were originally anticipated." }, { "start": 628, "end": 633.88, "text": " So Apple seems to be, I do actually bring this back, Andy, to you. You have a content" }, { "start": 633.88, "end": 640.48, "text": " delivery service. It's available on tons of devices. Everything I buy, almost everything" }, { "start": 640.48, "end": 643, "text": " has Hulu on it now. I mean, a lot of things have it." }, { "start": 643, "end": 644, "text": " You mean Hulu Plus, right?" }, { "start": 644, "end": 646.16, "text": " Hulu Plus. Well, Hulu Plus is the..." }, { "start": 646.16, "end": 648.12, "text": " Because Hulu is on everything with a browser." }, { "start": 648.12, "end": 655.5600000000001, "text": " Hulu Plus is the streaming service you pay money for and you get content with commercials," }, { "start": 655.5600000000001, "end": 659.2, "text": " even though you've paid money also." }, { "start": 659.2, "end": 664.92, "text": " And by the way, Andy, more and more commercials as far as I can tell." }, { "start": 664.92, "end": 668.08, "text": " Yeah. Right now, it is almost the regular amount of commercials." }, { "start": 668.08, "end": 669.08, "text": " You're not gonna say a word." }, { "start": 669.08, "end": 670.44, "text": " No, no, hold on. Just hold on." }, { "start": 670.44, "end": 672.32, "text": " It's approaching the regular amount of commercials." }, { "start": 672.32, "end": 675.04, "text": " It really is. What is it? How many commercials in a 22 minute..." }, { "start": 675.04, "end": 680, "text": " Our view was always, you gotta go back to the golden age of TV, which was the late 50s," }, { "start": 680, "end": 682.4399999999999, "text": " which is about half of where we are in broadcast TV today." }, { "start": 682.4399999999999, "end": 684.0799999999999, "text": " So you're saying it's half?" }, { "start": 684.0799999999999, "end": 687.56, "text": " Yeah, it's about half. In fact, in January, we just pulled back a little bit, because" }, { "start": 687.56, "end": 689.64, "text": " we had a lot of feedback from people saying, look, we know you gotta make a buck." }, { "start": 689.64, "end": 690.64, "text": " Good." }, { "start": 690.64, "end": 692.56, "text": " On Hulu Plus, we're pulling back a little bit." }, { "start": 692.56, "end": 698.64, "text": " So we're not crazy when we... We have the impression, I haven't timed it, I don't know" }, { "start": 698.64, "end": 699.64, "text": " about you, but I have the impression..." }, { "start": 699.64, "end": 700.64, "text": " No, I agree." }, { "start": 700.64, "end": 704.76, "text": "...that compared to when you first brought it out, there are more commercials in there" }, { "start": 704.76, "end": 705.76, "text": " now." }, { "start": 705.76, "end": 708.8, "text": " Yeah, and part of that was driven by just the ad sales team's done a great job demonstrating" }, { "start": 708.8, "end": 711.08, "text": " value, and we sold a lot of ads. But at a certain point, you have to say, no, we could" }, { "start": 711.08, "end": 714.92, "text": " make more money, but you should... You gotta think of the user and balance their interests." }, { "start": 714.92, "end": 718.16, "text": " And so, yeah, you'll see us pull back a little bit there. And the challenge needs to be," }, { "start": 718.16, "end": 722.64, "text": " make those ads so valuable people may pay more for them, not just add more ads." }, { "start": 722.64, "end": 724.3199999999999, "text": " But Josh was making a point." }, { "start": 724.3199999999999, "end": 728.6, "text": " Right. Well, I mean, this is interesting. The ad conversation is interesting, too. But" }, { "start": 728.6, "end": 732.6, "text": " now there's this specter of... And in fact, Apple is always a specter at CES. They had" }, { "start": 732.6, "end": 737.16, "text": " this little leak in... Well, they didn't have it, but there was a leak in your paper, The" }, { "start": 737.16, "end": 738.16, "text": " Wall Street Journal, and..." }, { "start": 738.16, "end": 739.16, "text": " No, it was reporting." }, { "start": 739.16, "end": 746.88, "text": " Oh, I mean, it was a... Sources told somebody at The Wall Street Journal, so who knows who" }, { "start": 746.88, "end": 752.44, "text": " they could have been, these sources, that Apple may be making a cheaper iPhone, which" }, { "start": 752.44, "end": 758.12, "text": " they already make. It's called the iPhone 4S and iPhone 4. Anyhow, the point is that..." }, { "start": 758.12, "end": 759.12, "text": " You know it was not that..." }, { "start": 759.12, "end": 762.84, "text": " So we heard the news here and everybody's talking about the news. Not that huge of a" }, { "start": 762.84, "end": 767, "text": " story. But now in the TV industry, there's the specter of Apple hanging over. Everybody's" }, { "start": 767, "end": 771.2, "text": " saying they've got something coming. They're gonna upend the cable companies. They're gonna" }, { "start": 771.2, "end": 776.48, "text": " change the way we watch television. You guys have been building this thing for years and" }, { "start": 776.48, "end": 782.96, "text": " years. You're on all kinds of devices. Are you spooked? Are you worried? What do you..." }, { "start": 782.96, "end": 788.48, "text": " Do you see this as a threat to your business? The thing that doesn't exist that we don't" }, { "start": 788.48, "end": 791.5600000000001, "text": " know anything about? This specter?" }, { "start": 791.5600000000001, "end": 792.8000000000001, "text": " He does know something about it though." }, { "start": 792.8000000000001, "end": 796.9200000000001, "text": " Do you wanna tell us about what you know? Feel free. There's nobody..." }, { "start": 796.9200000000001, "end": 799.9200000000001, "text": " This is not fair to any other..." }, { "start": 799.9200000000001, "end": 804.2, "text": " You guys should just talk. Well, look, to directly answer the one question and to skirt" }, { "start": 804.2, "end": 811.72, "text": " the other one... No, I don't think we feel threatened by it. I think we're excited whenever" }, { "start": 811.72, "end": 815.44, "text": " it's experimentation. As I said, I think business models are catching up. The one thing that" }, { "start": 815.44, "end": 819.2, "text": " I've had to learn in my job is... I'm a software guy. I've now spent five years living on the" }, { "start": 819.2, "end": 823, "text": " edge of media. A lot of that time I had to spend learning about 50 years of Hollywood" }, { "start": 823, "end": 827, "text": " history and why things... The crazy rights landscape, and I will spare you examples," }, { "start": 827, "end": 833.6, "text": " but trust me, they're crazy, about why the show can't be on that screen. And it's amazing." }, { "start": 833.6, "end": 837.5200000000001, "text": " And there's a messiness there that is part of what we've tried to tackle to say, how" }, { "start": 837.5200000000001, "end": 841.0400000000001, "text": " do you... You can't totally mask that messiness from users, but how do you at least explain" }, { "start": 841.0400000000001, "end": 844.6, "text": " part of it to them and do the best you can and helping people understand you're trying" }, { "start": 844.6, "end": 848.6800000000001, "text": " to get as much content to them as you can, and over time that will increase. I think" }, { "start": 848.6800000000001, "end": 852.2, "text": " the one thing that's helped us a little is Apple hates that kind of messiness. They want" }, { "start": 852.2, "end": 857.0400000000001, "text": " to have a world they can control, and I totally get that. But I think they'll do some interesting" }, { "start": 857.0400000000001, "end": 859.44, "text": " things, but I think because they hate that messiness, I don't think they're going to" }, { "start": 859.44, "end": 863.6800000000001, "text": " change the world overnight. This is a world that can't be changed. I think it's a five-year" }, { "start": 863.6800000000001, "end": 868, "text": " thing, as Walt said, or even ten years. But I think that's a fabulously important point," }, { "start": 868, "end": 872.6800000000001, "text": " at least on television, and maybe on some of the other devices. And maybe it explains" }, { "start": 872.68, "end": 876.9599999999999, "text": " a little bit of the hardware sclerosis you were talking about, if that's an appropriate" }, { "start": 876.9599999999999, "end": 877.9599999999999, "text": " term." }, { "start": 877.9599999999999, "end": 878.9599999999999, "text": " Did you just coin that term? I think you did." }, { "start": 878.9599999999999, "end": 885.3199999999999, "text": " No, but I mean, if TV and revolutionizing TV... And forget about it being just Apple," }, { "start": 885.3199999999999, "end": 889.28, "text": " because we know it's not just Apple. Intel is in it, Google is in it, everybody's trying" }, { "start": 889.28, "end": 894.28, "text": " to revolutionize TV. It looks to a tech company like low-hanging fruit. It's an important" }, { "start": 894.28, "end": 898.8399999999999, "text": " device, it's at the center of the home, and it's poorly designed. And there's got to be..." }, { "start": 898.84, "end": 904.2800000000001, "text": " The UI is bad, the software is bad, and the integration with the wider internet world" }, { "start": 904.2800000000001, "end": 908.9200000000001, "text": " is bad, so it's low-hanging fruit. What's the obstacle? What is causing this pause?" }, { "start": 908.9200000000001, "end": 914.0400000000001, "text": " Why is this the third CES, or at least the second, with the rumor of Apple hanging over" }, { "start": 914.0400000000001, "end": 919.1600000000001, "text": " it? I think it has to do with exactly what you just said. It has to do with this crazy" }, { "start": 919.1600000000001, "end": 924.5600000000001, "text": " rights landscape, and how you can't really do this correctly without getting deals and" }, { "start": 924.56, "end": 931.4399999999999, "text": " rights and bundles or whatever you have to get from the people that own Hulu, the people" }, { "start": 931.4399999999999, "end": 937.0799999999999, "text": " that own the Wall Street Journal is one company, News Corp, but also everybody else." }, { "start": 937.0799999999999, "end": 938.0799999999999, "text": " Well, so..." }, { "start": 938.0799999999999, "end": 939.4399999999999, "text": " Don't you agree? Am I nuts, or...?" }, { "start": 939.4399999999999, "end": 944.16, "text": " No, I think that's a long-term problem to unwind all that. Now, what's going on in parallel," }, { "start": 944.16, "end": 949.3599999999999, "text": " that will progress, and Apple will do part of it, and we'll help with part of it. Netflix," }, { "start": 949.3599999999999, "end": 952.8199999999999, "text": " paying money for things will help, but that money solves... You guys voting with your" }, { "start": 952.82, "end": 957.44, "text": " clicks and making it worthwhile will help us solve that problem, but it will take a" }, { "start": 957.44, "end": 962.5600000000001, "text": " while, because it involves Dick Wolf sued NBC, and suddenly that means... There's just" }, { "start": 962.5600000000001, "end": 969.5200000000001, "text": " crazy messiness in the whole game. In parallel, there's an alternate thing going on with YouTube" }, { "start": 969.5200000000001, "end": 973.88, "text": " and other content being created all over and shown on people's own websites. You guys create" }, { "start": 973.88, "end": 979.5600000000001, "text": " a lot of content and are, in fact, competing in certain ways. Dee certainly does that." }, { "start": 979.56, "end": 983.3599999999999, "text": " And there's a parallel movement to say, let's reinvent it. Let's do new content that has" }, { "start": 983.3599999999999, "end": 987.9, "text": " no strings attached. And I think that's fascinating, because you have both progressing. I think" }, { "start": 987.9, "end": 990.88, "text": " media loves to show a conflict story and say, who's going to kill whom? I don't think it's" }, { "start": 990.88, "end": 993.76, "text": " going to be that exciting. I think cable's going to still be around in 10 years. It will" }, { "start": 993.76, "end": 997.8599999999999, "text": " be different. It will be more consumer-friendly, because you all have voted with your dollars" }, { "start": 997.8599999999999, "end": 1001.3199999999999, "text": " and your clicks to force them to do that. It will have helped in a certain way. And" }, { "start": 1001.3199999999999, "end": 1005.16, "text": " then in parallel, there's going to be a whole world that develops that's not rights-constrained." }, { "start": 1005.16, "end": 1007.56, "text": " And that's what Netflix is doing. They're going to make their own shows. They can show" }, { "start": 1007.56, "end": 1011, "text": " them anywhere in the world. And so I think that's fascinating. We have two parallel things" }, { "start": 1011, "end": 1014.3599999999999, "text": " going on. And it would be easy to say it's a race. I don't think it's that dramatic." }, { "start": 1014.3599999999999, "end": 1017.3599999999999, "text": " But it's all good for viewers." }, { "start": 1017.3599999999999, "end": 1021.7199999999999, "text": " So what I find interesting about the old content that you're... That looks one way. We know" }, { "start": 1021.7199999999999, "end": 1025.1599999999999, "text": " what TV looks like. There are sitcoms. You know what TV sitcoms look like. And then I" }, { "start": 1025.1599999999999, "end": 1029.8, "text": " think about the content we make. And we make it differently, because we're making it online." }, { "start": 1029.8, "end": 1033.8, "text": " Our means of production are slightly different. And our audience is different." }, { "start": 1033.8, "end": 1034.8, "text": " Slightly cheaper." }, { "start": 1034.8, "end": 1040.9199999999998, "text": " And then I think about Eric's company. And you make a product that only makes sense if" }, { "start": 1040.9199999999998, "end": 1045.96, "text": " you look at it on a computer. You have to interact with a Lytro photo. So I think, well," }, { "start": 1045.96, "end": 1050.24, "text": " we're changing our content and how we think about making video, because our tools and" }, { "start": 1050.24, "end": 1053.56, "text": " our distribution are slightly different. Then I think about what photographers might do" }, { "start": 1053.56, "end": 1058.84, "text": " with Lytro cameras, but they're only forced to be online. Do you think photography is" }, { "start": 1058.84, "end": 1062.3999999999999, "text": " going to change because it only can happen on a computer? Is there a future for your" }, { "start": 1062.4, "end": 1065.2, "text": " product outside of the computer and the Internet?" }, { "start": 1065.2, "end": 1070.68, "text": " Yeah, absolutely. There is a future for it. And in fact, most existing photographers only" }, { "start": 1070.68, "end": 1075.64, "text": " think in terms of existing photography. The first thing they ask is, well, how big can" }, { "start": 1075.64, "end": 1079.68, "text": " I make a print? And I ask, well, when's the last time you made a print? And they think," }, { "start": 1079.68, "end": 1080.98, "text": " I can't remember." }, { "start": 1080.98, "end": 1085.8000000000002, "text": " And so in fact, they're consuming pictures online constantly. I mean, if you leave someone" }, { "start": 1085.8000000000002, "end": 1089.0800000000002, "text": " alone for 30 seconds, what are they gonna do? They're gonna pull out their phone and" }, { "start": 1089.08, "end": 1093.9199999999998, "text": " look at a picture. So it's very natural for us to go straight to the Web and to allow" }, { "start": 1093.9199999999998, "end": 1097.8, "text": " interaction with all of these devices, which are fundamentally interactive in the way that" }, { "start": 1097.8, "end": 1103.84, "text": " you handle them. And so that's why we decided to do that first." }, { "start": 1103.84, "end": 1108.1599999999999, "text": " Having said that, light field photography is fundamental tech, and you still can get" }, { "start": 1108.1599999999999, "end": 1112.84, "text": " a two-dimensional picture out of it for print or a 3D picture for some other kind of print," }, { "start": 1112.84, "end": 1118.8, "text": " which is on the fringes right now of CES, those very small booths we haven't seen yet." }, { "start": 1118.8, "end": 1120.52, "text": " Those are launching here." }, { "start": 1120.52, "end": 1125.76, "text": " Yeah. So I think this kind of multidimensional photography, you can output whatever you'd" }, { "start": 1125.76, "end": 1130.32, "text": " like from it. And while the first camera is a consumer camera with fairly low-resolution" }, { "start": 1130.32, "end": 1135.18, "text": " 2D output, you can imagine that scaling up with Moore's Law. I mean, we've just tied" }, { "start": 1135.18, "end": 1139.28, "text": " photography to computing, and once that happens, we all know what happens." }, { "start": 1139.28, "end": 1145.24, "text": " So we were talking about this a little bit before we went on. Video, video with light" }, { "start": 1145.24, "end": 1149.1200000000001, "text": " field. I know we're verging into a light field conversation here, and I do want to get back" }, { "start": 1149.1200000000001, "end": 1154.52, "text": " to the TV, and I will in a second, but what are the possibilities of doing video? What" }, { "start": 1154.52, "end": 1158.68, "text": " would that require to do video you can refocus in real time?" }, { "start": 1158.68, "end": 1164, "text": " Well, it's fundamentally compatible. Every frame we take is one frame, so you just string" }, { "start": 1164, "end": 1168.28, "text": " them together and you get video. So we have proofs of concept, time lapse, basically." }, { "start": 1168.28, "end": 1173.48, "text": " So what it requires is high-resolution capture, raw capture, and we know that already is here." }, { "start": 1173.48, "end": 1177.24, "text": " It's just in the very high end. And I think what's missing, which is very interesting" }, { "start": 1177.24, "end": 1182.72, "text": " for this conversation, is that we consume very passively. We consume video material" }, { "start": 1182.72, "end": 1186.72, "text": " very passively now. And there have been attempts for many, many years to bring interactivity" }, { "start": 1186.72, "end": 1190.48, "text": " into video. You see these little pop-ups, and you're like, how do I get this thing out" }, { "start": 1190.48, "end": 1197.56, "text": " of the way? But interactivity doesn't need to be an overlay. It can be a very intrinsic" }, { "start": 1197.56, "end": 1202.64, "text": " part of that experience. It can be. Now, content creators may not like that. They like to lock" }, { "start": 1202.64, "end": 1207.96, "text": " everything in and say, this is what I made. I'm an artist. But in fact, when we have kids" }, { "start": 1207.96, "end": 1211.92, "text": " playing with these things, they want to try to interact with every picture. The kids of" }, { "start": 1211.92, "end": 1216.4, "text": " our employees try to interact with every picture they see. Of course, you can refocus a picture," }, { "start": 1216.4, "end": 1220.96, "text": " and of course, you can change the perspective. They don't have the same hang-ups we do." }, { "start": 1220.96, "end": 1227.68, "text": " I think it's interesting that you're talking about the idea that, just the very idea, if" }, { "start": 1227.68, "end": 1232.72, "text": " you did, if there was this video content, it would be as flat as anything on a regular" }, { "start": 1232.72, "end": 1238.6000000000001, "text": " television, standard television. Our old technology wouldn't really be able to replicate what" }, { "start": 1238.6000000000001, "end": 1243.2, "text": " you're creating with the tool. It has to be on the web, or it has to be on an interactive" }, { "start": 1243.2, "end": 1249.3600000000001, "text": " surface like an iPad or an iPhone. I think that's telling about this TV industry changing." }, { "start": 1249.3600000000001, "end": 1254.1200000000001, "text": " That's where we are going, is the second screen experience and, obviously, innovations like" }, { "start": 1254.12, "end": 1261.1999999999998, "text": " this. You said when we were talking before that you don't have cable, right?" }, { "start": 1261.1999999999998, "end": 1263.8799999999999, "text": " I do not. You don't subscribe to cable. You haven't" }, { "start": 1263.8799999999999, "end": 1268.32, "text": " for how long? I haven't for about eight years or so." }, { "start": 1268.32, "end": 1274.76, "text": " So what spurred—look, obviously, you're deeply immersed in the world of technology." }, { "start": 1274.76, "end": 1279.84, "text": " How did you end up not having cable? I'm kind of curious to know this story." }, { "start": 1279.84, "end": 1287.8799999999999, "text": " I was out of town a lot, but also I wanted something like Hulu. I hated having this expensive" }, { "start": 1287.8799999999999, "end": 1295.06, "text": " thing that I paid for every month that fed me ads. I had a TiVo, so I would record things" }, { "start": 1295.06, "end": 1300.76, "text": " and watch them. There were starting to be—not eight years ago, but more and more every year—there" }, { "start": 1300.76, "end": 1305.1599999999999, "text": " were more ways to get content where I could pay a little bit or sometimes too much. I" }, { "start": 1305.16, "end": 1310.3200000000002, "text": " got really annoyed because I tried to buy the wire. It was twice as expensive to buy" }, { "start": 1310.3200000000002, "end": 1314.24, "text": " it on iTunes than it was for me to order it, the whole series, and have it shipped to my" }, { "start": 1314.24, "end": 1317.5600000000002, "text": " house. It was literally twice the cost. That's still true." }, { "start": 1317.5600000000002, "end": 1320.72, "text": " That really was annoying. I think it's still more expensive to buy" }, { "start": 1320.72, "end": 1322.16, "text": " on iTunes. The first thing I did was rip it so I could" }, { "start": 1322.16, "end": 1324.2, "text": " watch it on my iPad. That's fine." }, { "start": 1324.2, "end": 1328.8400000000001, "text": " It's a coffee pot. I don't think you can get the wire on iTunes." }, { "start": 1328.8400000000001, "end": 1330.6000000000001, "text": " You can't get the wire on iTunes. That's right." }, { "start": 1330.6, "end": 1338.84, "text": " But that's part of that whole rights thing. I'm not trying to open a books conversation," }, { "start": 1338.84, "end": 1342.9599999999998, "text": " but it's a similar thing. It doesn't seem logical to people that bits should cost as" }, { "start": 1342.9599999999998, "end": 1351.6799999999998, "text": " much as atoms. That has a lot to do with—I'm not saying that Google and Amazon and Apple" }, { "start": 1351.6799999999998, "end": 1355.56, "text": " are innocent. They have a part in it, but a lot of it is the media companies and the" }, { "start": 1355.56, "end": 1358.76, "text": " structures that go back way beyond when any of this stuff was invented." }, { "start": 1358.76, "end": 1366.36, "text": " Eric, how much do you think you spend on replacements for that a month? Roughly?" }, { "start": 1366.36, "end": 1373, "text": " It's probably $20 or something like that. Wow. I spend probably $50 or $60." }, { "start": 1373, "end": 1378.52, "text": " I think you're in—there's probably not a huge minority, but there's a segment that's" }, { "start": 1378.52, "end": 1383.2, "text": " like that where you successfully cut costs and also get the media you need. I think a" }, { "start": 1383.2, "end": 1388.2, "text": " lot of people that have tried it end up spending $60, $70, $80 that they normally spend, but" }, { "start": 1388.2, "end": 1390.52, "text": " it feels better to them. It's a different way." }, { "start": 1390.52, "end": 1391.52, "text": " Well, you're not buying a bunch of packs. You're buying a whole lot." }, { "start": 1391.52, "end": 1396.2, "text": " You don't feel like you're paying for the 700 ESPN channels that you all watch." }, { "start": 1396.2, "end": 1400.64, "text": " That's my thought about cable. I'm not hugely negative on cable. I actually have two cable" }, { "start": 1400.64, "end": 1403.64, "text": " subscriptions. I'm sort of in the middle. Two." }, { "start": 1403.64, "end": 1406.04, "text": " You have to, right? Two." }, { "start": 1406.04, "end": 1407.56, "text": " Just because you can? Yeah." }, { "start": 1407.56, "end": 1412.96, "text": " Well, that sucks. Sunday Ticket is a prime example of what sucks." }, { "start": 1412.96, "end": 1417.68, "text": " It's also a prime example of why Hulu can't do what cable does because they have these" }, { "start": 1417.68, "end": 1419.68, "text": " deals with the NFL." }, { "start": 1419.68, "end": 1423.4, "text": " Look, I live out of market for the football team that I want to watch. I live in New York." }, { "start": 1423.4, "end": 1429, "text": " I watch Packers. I can't get DirecTV. I live in an apartment building in New York City." }, { "start": 1429, "end": 1433.5800000000002, "text": " There is a product. I'm waving the money in the air, and the right structure is preventing" }, { "start": 1433.5800000000002, "end": 1435.76, "text": " me from having it. That legacy deal." }, { "start": 1435.76, "end": 1438.76, "text": " So why don't you buy a Slingbox?" }, { "start": 1438.76, "end": 1440.3200000000002, "text": " Yeah, put it somewhere else." }, { "start": 1440.3200000000002, "end": 1441.3200000000002, "text": " Fly to Racine." }, { "start": 1441.3200000000002, "end": 1442.3200000000002, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1442.3200000000002, "end": 1443.3200000000002, "text": " Pay the five bucks a month for the extra—" }, { "start": 1443.3200000000002, "end": 1444.3200000000002, "text": " You know, I have a Slingbox in Racine." }, { "start": 1444.32, "end": 1449.1599999999999, "text": " Wait a minute. Pay the five bucks a month for the extra cable box in one of your relatives'" }, { "start": 1449.1599999999999, "end": 1450.1599999999999, "text": " houses." }, { "start": 1450.1599999999999, "end": 1451.1599999999999, "text": " I'm telling you that I do this." }, { "start": 1451.1599999999999, "end": 1452.1599999999999, "text": " They don't even have to attach it to a TV." }, { "start": 1452.1599999999999, "end": 1453.1599999999999, "text": " He's doing this." }, { "start": 1453.1599999999999, "end": 1458.04, "text": " And what Walt is saying, what I actually do, I think for a consumer is insane." }, { "start": 1458.04, "end": 1459.04, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 1459.04, "end": 1463.08, "text": " Because what I have done is—and there's demand for it, that a company could productize" }, { "start": 1463.08, "end": 1468.6799999999998, "text": " it—I have created my own cloud television redistribution system. Does that sound like" }, { "start": 1468.6799999999998, "end": 1470.8799999999999, "text": " something any normal human being should do?" }, { "start": 1470.8799999999999, "end": 1472.8799999999999, "text": " Can you offer subscriptions to that?" }, { "start": 1472.88, "end": 1478.88, "text": " I'm just saying, I'm a Red Sox fan. When the Red Sox were in one of their World Series" }, { "start": 1478.88, "end": 1482.8400000000001, "text": " years, it happened to be one of those years when MLB and Comcast or somebody were having" }, { "start": 1482.8400000000001, "end": 1487.88, "text": " a fight about, you know, this periodically happens. And I said to my brother exactly" }, { "start": 1487.88, "end": 1492.1200000000001, "text": " what I just said to you. I said, I'm coming to your house, bring in a Slingbox. I'll pay" }, { "start": 1492.1200000000001, "end": 1493.1200000000001, "text": " for your extra cable box." }, { "start": 1493.1200000000001, "end": 1495.44, "text": " I'm going to use your internet without telling you from time to time." }, { "start": 1495.44, "end": 1497.44, "text": " I'll pay for that. Put it in a closet." }, { "start": 1497.44, "end": 1498.44, "text": " No, it's great." }, { "start": 1498.44, "end": 1499.44, "text": " You don't even have to connect it to a TV." }, { "start": 1499.44, "end": 1500.44, "text": " And you have completely sized that." }, { "start": 1500.44, "end": 1501.44, "text": " And just I'll deal with it." }, { "start": 1501.44, "end": 1505.1200000000001, "text": " But here's the question. Do you think—so I understand why you don't like that and you" }, { "start": 1505.1200000000001, "end": 1507.76, "text": " want to get a Sunday ticket. Totally get it as a consumer. You should be steamed about" }, { "start": 1507.76, "end": 1512.0800000000002, "text": " that. But do you go another step and say, well, they must be stupid? Like, do you think" }, { "start": 1512.0800000000002, "end": 1514.64, "text": " they're missing an opportunity? Do you think it's bad business?" }, { "start": 1514.64, "end": 1518.64, "text": " I think not capitalizing on what is obvious demand is bad business." }, { "start": 1518.64, "end": 1522.28, "text": " But I think if the NFL and DirectTV were here and spoke candidly, I think they'd say, look," }, { "start": 1522.28, "end": 1525.8400000000001, "text": " we've done all that math. Even if they're X number of you and we're wildly ambitious" }, { "start": 1525.8400000000001, "end": 1530.3600000000001, "text": " and aggressive about what we would pick up. I mean, it's just like HBO going a la carte." }, { "start": 1530.36, "end": 1534.1599999999999, "text": " It's a similar discussion. I think it's good business. I hate to say it as a consumer." }, { "start": 1534.1599999999999, "end": 1535.1599999999999, "text": " They sell it in Europe?" }, { "start": 1535.1599999999999, "end": 1538.9199999999998, "text": " But it is good business. Yeah, but here, it is worth it to DirectTV to have that exclusive." }, { "start": 1538.9199999999998, "end": 1544.4799999999998, "text": " And they massively overpay for that content. And it's horrible as a consumer. But the byproduct" }, { "start": 1544.4799999999998, "end": 1545.4799999999998, "text": " is you can't get it." }, { "start": 1545.4799999999998, "end": 1547.9199999999998, "text": " So is DirectTV overpaying, efficient in the market? Is that what you want?" }, { "start": 1547.9199999999998, "end": 1553.04, "text": " I think they're overpaying versus—well, if I'm the NFL, that's what I want." }, { "start": 1553.04, "end": 1556, "text": " And you can't ask the NFL to do something. I mean, we can't ask the NFL to take less" }, { "start": 1556, "end": 1560.04, "text": " money just to be nice. So I think that's the trick. I think over time—I mean, HBO is" }, { "start": 1560.04, "end": 1565, "text": " the same exact question. Many people would love to get HBO a la carte. They don't have" }, { "start": 1565, "end": 1566, "text": " HBO today." }, { "start": 1566, "end": 1569.24, "text": " Many people inside HBO would love in their—" }, { "start": 1569.24, "end": 1572.52, "text": " I don't see how that math works, though. I mean, I really don't." }, { "start": 1572.52, "end": 1576.8799999999999, "text": " You think there are enough people that they should be able to outbid Direct, essentially," }, { "start": 1576.8799999999999, "end": 1578.04, "text": " to change the business model?" }, { "start": 1578.04, "end": 1582.8, "text": " No, I don't think—I mean, what are we talking about? How much per month for HBO? Do you" }, { "start": 1582.8, "end": 1583.8, "text": " know?" }, { "start": 1583.8, "end": 1584.8, "text": " Oh, I'm sorry. The math on HBO?" }, { "start": 1584.8, "end": 1589.56, "text": " The math on the a la carte, yeah. That it would be more profitable than what they're" }, { "start": 1589.56, "end": 1590.56, "text": " doing right now." }, { "start": 1590.56, "end": 1594.04, "text": " Yeah, but again, I think HBO, one way to look at it is they get paid a premium by big cable" }, { "start": 1594.04, "end": 1600.8799999999999, "text": " because big cable like DirecTV is willing to pay a premium for the NFL to be able to" }, { "start": 1600.8799999999999, "end": 1607.2, "text": " use that to get people to buy lots more than just the NFL. People use HBO the same way." }, { "start": 1607.2, "end": 1610.9199999999998, "text": " And it sucks for consumers, but I think it's probably a sound business decision. So then" }, { "start": 1610.9199999999998, "end": 1613.6799999999998, "text": " we look at that and say, boy, what's the answer? Because you want to please users. You want" }, { "start": 1613.6799999999998, "end": 1617.1599999999999, "text": " to get content to users. And that's where I think some of that parallel development's" }, { "start": 1617.1599999999999, "end": 1619.52, "text": " going to occur where, all right, you've got to start Greenfield in some cases." }, { "start": 1619.52, "end": 1627.76, "text": " So we're all immersed in this world. We know everything about it. We're voracious, I'm" }, { "start": 1627.76, "end": 1633.6399999999999, "text": " sure, watchers of content. And we read all the news. Average consumers, to me, it doesn't" }, { "start": 1633.6399999999999, "end": 1637.76, "text": " seem like they're that mad. You're mad, but you're a very special guy." }, { "start": 1637.76, "end": 1638.76, "text": " I'm an angry person." }, { "start": 1638.76, "end": 1645.24, "text": " You're very unique. It seems like TV is better than ever. I mean, I watch, I can't, I don't" }, { "start": 1645.24, "end": 1649.52, "text": " think I can count how many shows I DVR now because there's so much good stuff on." }, { "start": 1649.52, "end": 1650.52, "text": " I agree." }, { "start": 1650.52, "end": 1651.96, "text": " And, I mean, really good stuff." }, { "start": 1651.96, "end": 1653.28, "text": " This is the golden age of TV." }, { "start": 1653.28, "end": 1660.68, "text": " Yes. I mean, shows like War Walk Empire, it's like watching a 12-hour, $200 million, down" }, { "start": 1660.68, "end": 1667.6, "text": " abbey. Incredible content, great comedy, great news, well, some okay news." }, { "start": 1667.6, "end": 1668.6, "text": " Not great news." }, { "start": 1668.6, "end": 1669.6, "text": " Okay news content." }, { "start": 1669.6, "end": 1670.6, "text": " The best news is on." }, { "start": 1670.6, "end": 1671.6, "text": " I was actually thinking of the Daily Show." }, { "start": 1671.6, "end": 1673.32, "text": " It's the golden age of TV drama, I should say." }, { "start": 1673.32, "end": 1677.6399999999999, "text": " Well, drama, and I think there's some decent sitcoms and, you know. But the point is, the" }, { "start": 1677.6399999999999, "end": 1685.8799999999999, "text": " average, and also TV looks better than it has ever looked before. There are more channels" }, { "start": 1685.8799999999999, "end": 1690.3999999999999, "text": " than ever. Do consumers, are consumers actually, I know we talk about cord cutters and that's" }, { "start": 1690.3999999999999, "end": 1694.6399999999999, "text": " a thing, and I think you talked to Ari Emanuel and he said there aren't cord cutters and" }, { "start": 1694.6399999999999, "end": 1695.6399999999999, "text": " you said that." }, { "start": 1695.6399999999999, "end": 1699.32, "text": " No, but here's the, if I could just anticipate what I think you're in for." }, { "start": 1699.32, "end": 1700.32, "text": " Sure, go for it." }, { "start": 1700.32, "end": 1707.9199999999998, "text": " I think, I think there are cord cutters. Here's one. I think there are fewer of them than" }, { "start": 1707.9199999999998, "end": 1709.9199999999998, "text": " we might have expected four or five years ago." }, { "start": 1709.9199999999998, "end": 1715, "text": " Because the cable companies have been good at holding on to what they have." }, { "start": 1715, "end": 1719.6, "text": " Yeah, they've been good at holding on to it and I think this whole rights world that Danny" }, { "start": 1719.6, "end": 1727.32, "text": " was talking about has hurt the efforts to do better, more integrated, over the top services" }, { "start": 1727.32, "end": 1731.6399999999999, "text": " that make the TV more attractive and easier to use and all that kind of stuff. But I think" }, { "start": 1731.6399999999999, "end": 1735.6399999999999, "text": " there's something that, this is what I was talking to Ari Emanuel about or trying to" }, { "start": 1735.6399999999999, "end": 1740.84, "text": " talk to him about, which was, do you guys know who Ari Emanuel is, right? He's like" }, { "start": 1740.84, "end": 1741.84, "text": " the super." }, { "start": 1741.84, "end": 1742.84, "text": " He's Ari Gold from Entourage." }, { "start": 1742.84, "end": 1747.76, "text": " He's Ari Gold from Entourage. He's the super agent in Hollywood and we had him at our conference" }, { "start": 1747.76, "end": 1753.04, "text": " and Josh asked him a good question but he yelled at Josh instead of answering the question." }, { "start": 1753.04, "end": 1754.04, "text": " It's very, it's very upsetting." }, { "start": 1754.04, "end": 1755.04, "text": " But anyway, the point is." }, { "start": 1755.04, "end": 1756.04, "text": " It's terrific, I thought." }, { "start": 1756.04, "end": 1759.6, "text": " The point is, there's something called cable nevers." }, { "start": 1759.6, "end": 1760.6, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1760.6, "end": 1765.32, "text": " And this is the most dangerous thing if I'm Brian Roberts. Brian Roberts being the head" }, { "start": 1765.32, "end": 1774, "text": " of Comcast. I have two sons who are, one's married, one's not. They're both around 30." }, { "start": 1774, "end": 1782.28, "text": " One's 33, one's 30. So my youngest son would go without food before he wouldn't have internet," }, { "start": 1782.28, "end": 1789.76, "text": " right? He has to have internet. But he would never go without anything to buy a cable subscription." }, { "start": 1789.76, "end": 1790.76, "text": " He doesn't have a cable subscription." }, { "start": 1790.76, "end": 1791.76, "text": " He doesn't have a cable subscription." }, { "start": 1791.76, "end": 1792.76, "text": " He never will." }, { "start": 1792.76, "end": 1799.48, "text": " And he never will. My oldest son who's married has a very basic cable subscription. They're" }, { "start": 1799.48, "end": 1803.12, "text": " trying to save up to buy a house, which as you know is difficult. They happen to live" }, { "start": 1803.12, "end": 1810.16, "text": " in Boston. It's an expensive market. He hasn't said this to me but if I had to guess, if" }, { "start": 1810.16, "end": 1815.24, "text": " they had to cut stuff back to afford the house, the cable would be one of the first things" }, { "start": 1815.24, "end": 1827.3200000000002, "text": " that would go. Because they both have iPads and smartphones and good laptops. I think" }, { "start": 1827.3200000000002, "end": 1834.5600000000002, "text": " one year for their birthdays I got them Apple TVs. Not that expensive a gift. So they have" }, { "start": 1834.5600000000002, "end": 1835.5600000000002, "text": " that." }, { "start": 1835.5600000000002, "end": 1836.5600000000002, "text": " Only expensive to use." }, { "start": 1836.5600000000002, "end": 1838.98, "text": " They can watch Hulu Plus for, what is this, eight bucks a month?" }, { "start": 1838.98, "end": 1844.2, "text": " This must be music to your ears. Are you loving this? Because this is your audience of the" }, { "start": 1844.2, "end": 1845.2, "text": " guys who don't get cable." }, { "start": 1845.2, "end": 1849.08, "text": " I don't know the numbers. Andy might, but I'd love to hear it. I don't know the numbers" }, { "start": 1849.08, "end": 1851.92, "text": " but there are these people that are cable nevers." }, { "start": 1851.92, "end": 1857.3600000000001, "text": " I think it's even worse than that because we did a long thread on our forums of how" }, { "start": 1857.3600000000001, "end": 1862.32, "text": " do you watch TV. We did this week of TV stories. We said how do you watch TV? We asked our" }, { "start": 1862.32, "end": 1867.92, "text": " readers. Not one person answered I just have a cable box. Not one person said" }, { "start": 1867.92, "end": 1869.3200000000002, "text": " It's the verge audience." }, { "start": 1869.3200000000002, "end": 1870.3200000000002, "text": " But that's fine." }, { "start": 1870.3200000000002, "end": 1872.8400000000001, "text": " The smartest group of people in the world." }, { "start": 1872.8400000000001, "end": 1876.64, "text": " Our audience is carrying this industry forward." }, { "start": 1876.64, "end": 1879.3200000000002, "text": " What's the answer in Ohio, Illinois?" }, { "start": 1879.3200000000002, "end": 1880.3200000000002, "text": " That is my question." }, { "start": 1880.3200000000002, "end": 1884.1200000000001, "text": " The answer there. You're pulling all kinds of personal data out for me right now. Let's" }, { "start": 1884.1200000000001, "end": 1889.0800000000002, "text": " see what you're doing. Ohio, Illinois is where my wife is from. It's a very small town. It's" }, { "start": 1889.0800000000002, "end": 1894.96, "text": " 450 people. They don't have cable. They can't have cable because the pipes run underground." }, { "start": 1894.96, "end": 1898.32, "text": " They might have a satellite that they pay nothing for because they want to get national" }, { "start": 1898.32, "end": 1901.4, "text": " channels but as soon as they get the internet, they're on the internet." }, { "start": 1901.4, "end": 1902.4, "text": " I'm just not sure." }, { "start": 1902.4, "end": 1907.96, "text": " I'm saying the cable industry can't say this is the one thing you need to get content." }, { "start": 1907.96, "end": 1911.08, "text": " Apple can say that with the iPad because when you load it up with apps and to people it's" }, { "start": 1911.08, "end": 1917.32, "text": " Ivan, I don't watch TV, I use my iPad. All the apps on the iPad qualify as one product." }, { "start": 1917.32, "end": 1922.6200000000001, "text": " Or if you're a verge reader, you say in our forums, I have 50 boxes under my TV and the" }, { "start": 1922.62, "end": 1927.28, "text": " most important one of them is not the cable box. They will argue whether it's the Roku" }, { "start": 1927.28, "end": 1931.4199999999998, "text": " box they use Netflix on or the Apple TV box they buy movies on but they will never say" }, { "start": 1931.4199999999998, "end": 1933.9199999999998, "text": " my most important box is my cable DVR." }, { "start": 1933.9199999999998, "end": 1939.8799999999999, "text": " You've also forgotten something else that's really important and that's AirPlay. There" }, { "start": 1939.8799999999999, "end": 1943.36, "text": " may be a generic term for it. I'm not sure what it is. It's called wireless." }, { "start": 1943.36, "end": 1944.84, "text": " There's a bunch of mirror casts." }, { "start": 1944.84, "end": 1945.84, "text": " I understand." }, { "start": 1945.84, "end": 1946.84, "text": " Wireless video?" }, { "start": 1946.84, "end": 1948.8799999999999, "text": " It's called wireless beaming from other devices." }, { "start": 1948.8799999999999, "end": 1949.8799999999999, "text": " Sure." }, { "start": 1949.88, "end": 1955.0800000000002, "text": " I think Apple's is the most evolved and probably the most used AirPlay but it might be exceeded" }, { "start": 1955.0800000000002, "end": 1959.1200000000001, "text": " by this time next year by something else. Mirror cast is the industry standard to do" }, { "start": 1959.1200000000001, "end": 1962.66, "text": " the same thing. You guys probably all know what we're talking about. You're sitting there" }, { "start": 1962.66, "end": 1968.5200000000002, "text": " with your smartphone or your iPad or that MacBook Air you have right there and there's" }, { "start": 1968.5200000000002, "end": 1973.6000000000001, "text": " just a little button. You hit it and boom, whatever's on your screen, it could be internal" }, { "start": 1973.6000000000001, "end": 1977.72, "text": " to the app or the program if they've built that in if that's allowed." }, { "start": 1977.72, "end": 1979.16, "text": " They even do multi-screen stuff." }, { "start": 1979.16, "end": 1982.44, "text": " I don't think you guys have that, right? You don't have that AirPlay button on your" }, { "start": 1982.44, "end": 1983.72, "text": " iOS app, right?" }, { "start": 1983.72, "end": 1984.72, "text": " They're not allowed." }, { "start": 1984.72, "end": 1987.72, "text": " Because you're not allowed to be, you're not, some of your agreements." }, { "start": 1987.72, "end": 1988.72, "text": " You can't put Hulu on a TV." }, { "start": 1988.72, "end": 1989.72, "text": " Don't let them put them on the screen, on the big screen." }, { "start": 1989.72, "end": 1992.72, "text": " For Hulu Plus you can do it. Yeah, for Hulu Plus." }, { "start": 1992.72, "end": 1994.72, "text": " Wait a second. You do have an AirPlay?" }, { "start": 1994.72, "end": 1997.5600000000002, "text": " We're on living room boxes as well. That's why." }, { "start": 1997.5600000000002, "end": 2003.92, "text": " The point is either the button is in the app, in the scrubber bar, in the control bar in" }, { "start": 2003.92, "end": 2009.5600000000002, "text": " the app or now in the Mac and the iPad it mirrors the whole screen." }, { "start": 2009.5600000000002, "end": 2013.3200000000002, "text": " If you happen to be watching something where they really didn't want you to put it on the" }, { "start": 2013.3200000000002, "end": 2019.04, "text": " TV screen where if you plugged it in with an HDMI cable it would not work, you can just" }, { "start": 2019.04, "end": 2020.04, "text": " make it full screen." }, { "start": 2020.04, "end": 2021.04, "text": " Full screen in AirPlay." }, { "start": 2021.04, "end": 2024, "text": " Press that button that's always in the menu bar and there it is." }, { "start": 2024, "end": 2028.16, "text": " You haven't had to string a wire. You haven't had to get off your chair and plug anything" }, { "start": 2028.16, "end": 2029.8400000000001, "text": " in. You haven't had to dedicate a computer." }, { "start": 2029.84, "end": 2034.6399999999999, "text": " But people aren't, there's only a few million Apple TVs and most people aren't." }, { "start": 2034.6399999999999, "end": 2041.48, "text": " But Samsung has the same thing. There's WiDi which was an Intel thing that Toshiba and" }, { "start": 2041.48, "end": 2045.72, "text": " some others have in their machines. The problem there is getting a standard and getting a" }, { "start": 2045.72, "end": 2048, "text": " brand that people understand but it's coming." }, { "start": 2048, "end": 2054.3199999999997, "text": " I think AirPlay, if I had to guess and it would be a pure guess, tell me if you think" }, { "start": 2054.3199999999997, "end": 2059.2799999999997, "text": " I'm nuts, there's been a big expansion to sale of those Apple TVs. It's still a small" }, { "start": 2059.28, "end": 2063.76, "text": " business form but I think it's doubled or more than doubled." }, { "start": 2063.76, "end": 2068.0800000000004, "text": " I think AirPlay is responsible for a lot of that. Even if you're not watching the content" }, { "start": 2068.0800000000004, "end": 2071.8, "text": " on the thing, you're sitting there with another screen and now you can just beam it to the" }, { "start": 2071.8, "end": 2072.8, "text": " TV." }, { "start": 2072.8, "end": 2077.28, "text": " Well, but it doesn't, AirPlay doesn't solve all the confusion about..." }, { "start": 2077.28, "end": 2084.48, "text": " It's just another reason why I don't need the cable, why the cable isn't essential." }, { "start": 2084.48, "end": 2090.08, "text": " Right. I think that cord never is combined with even the people who buy the cable thinking" }, { "start": 2090.08, "end": 2096.4, "text": " to themselves, this is secondary to what I see on the internet or I get distributed online." }, { "start": 2096.4, "end": 2099.84, "text": " That is the biggest danger for the cable industry. I think that's why they're going to be pushed" }, { "start": 2099.84, "end": 2100.84, "text": " to make it." }, { "start": 2100.84, "end": 2101.84, "text": " Luckily..." }, { "start": 2101.84, "end": 2107.44, "text": " Do you see that? Do you see more deal flow because they know? That would be my instance." }, { "start": 2107.44, "end": 2111.2, "text": " I guess I'd say I think the cable side and Intel are having to pay more close attention" }, { "start": 2111.2, "end": 2115, "text": " to consumers than ever before and that's a good thing. I mean, their UIs are slowly getting" }, { "start": 2115, "end": 2119.7999999999997, "text": " better, too slow, but slowly. They're better. If you look three or four years ago, they're" }, { "start": 2119.7999999999997, "end": 2122.52, "text": " wildly better. It's still not enough." }, { "start": 2122.52, "end": 2126.48, "text": " I think they're worried about that and I think they know they're going to have to do some" }, { "start": 2126.48, "end": 2130.3599999999997, "text": " repackaging. But they look at multi-channel subs and they've hung in around 100 million" }, { "start": 2130.3599999999997, "end": 2134.96, "text": " homes and it wavers a little bit but it hasn't dropped. So they're all looking at the cord" }, { "start": 2134.96, "end": 2138.7599999999998, "text": " never. They're all doing a bunch of research but so far it hasn't hit the bottom line and" }, { "start": 2138.76, "end": 2141.28, "text": " I don't think they're going to anticipate that and start doing things differently. So" }, { "start": 2141.28, "end": 2142.28, "text": " I think it's going to be slow." }, { "start": 2142.28, "end": 2146.96, "text": " It's also lucky that they happen to control all of the internet service where they also" }, { "start": 2146.96, "end": 2150.88, "text": " have their television service. So in the worst case scenario, they lose that." }, { "start": 2150.88, "end": 2155.0800000000004, "text": " There's not a horrible worst case scenario. We're still going to pay them. We're all going" }, { "start": 2155.0800000000004, "end": 2156.0800000000004, "text": " to pay them more for broadband." }, { "start": 2156.0800000000004, "end": 2159.36, "text": " Right. No, that's the thing. And that actually brings me to something I wanted to talk about" }, { "start": 2159.36, "end": 2164.76, "text": " and then we'll probably get to a quick Q&A with you guys. But 4K TV is everywhere at" }, { "start": 2164.76, "end": 2169.0400000000004, "text": " this show. Everybody's talking about 4K television. Why are you laughing?" }, { "start": 2169.0400000000004, "end": 2172.76, "text": " I'm laughing because we have a bet. I think I'm right and I think you're wrong." }, { "start": 2172.76, "end": 2173.76, "text": " We're betting $4,000." }, { "start": 2173.76, "end": 2174.76, "text": " $4,096." }, { "start": 2174.76, "end": 2177.76, "text": " No, 4K TV is everywhere at this show." }, { "start": 2177.76, "end": 2180.92, "text": " Wait a minute. What's this bet? I want to know if I can get in on it." }, { "start": 2180.92, "end": 2186.6800000000003, "text": " My bet is within three years, 4K TVs will be mainstream. It'll be the high-end product" }, { "start": 2186.6800000000003, "end": 2189.28, "text": " Best Buy that most people want to buy. Three years." }, { "start": 2189.28, "end": 2190.28, "text": " And you are saying that?" }, { "start": 2190.28, "end": 2192.1200000000003, "text": " I think it's going to be a little bit longer than that." }, { "start": 2192.1200000000003, "end": 2193.1200000000003, "text": " I'm on your side." }, { "start": 2193.12, "end": 2199, "text": " I think that we're not even... So I talked to the CEO of Sony, Kaz Hirai, and he said," }, { "start": 2199, "end": 2203.3199999999997, "text": " well, we have to figure out how we get the stuff on the TVs. The industry needs to come" }, { "start": 2203.3199999999997, "end": 2208.04, "text": " together on a standard. Maybe we'll do discs, maybe we won't. Right now they're sending" }, { "start": 2208.04, "end": 2213.16, "text": " servers to people preloaded with content because the files are so huge. You can't stream them." }, { "start": 2213.16, "end": 2217.7599999999998, "text": " You can't put them on a disc. And there's nothing to play them on anyhow. So I think" }, { "start": 2217.7599999999998, "end": 2218.7599999999998, "text": " we're more than..." }, { "start": 2218.7599999999998, "end": 2221.72, "text": " Sony has a... If you go to the Sony booth, my favorite product, CS, in the Sony booth," }, { "start": 2221.72, "end": 2226.16, "text": " I'm such a gadget nerd. It's a non-functional prototype of a 4K player, which means it's" }, { "start": 2226.16, "end": 2231.4399999999996, "text": " literally a circle with a light in it. And my inner gadget nerd is like, that's awesome." }, { "start": 2231.4399999999996, "end": 2232.4399999999996, "text": " It's totally meaningless." }, { "start": 2232.4399999999996, "end": 2235.56, "text": " It doesn't have any guts or anything." }, { "start": 2235.56, "end": 2238.7999999999997, "text": " I saw behind it, there's a PC behind it that's actually doing the work." }, { "start": 2238.7999999999997, "end": 2243.9599999999996, "text": " So 4K, everybody's pushing. And I don't know, there is a part of me that feels just a little" }, { "start": 2243.9599999999996, "end": 2249.64, "text": " bit... We've been burned by things before, like 3D. We actually wrote, a writer of ours," }, { "start": 2249.64, "end": 2254.24, "text": " Vlad Salva, wrote an article that said it's official, 3D is dead. I think this CS proves" }, { "start": 2254.24, "end": 2258.48, "text": " that 3D is not an issue anymore, that nobody cares about it." }, { "start": 2258.48, "end": 2262.52, "text": " Does that bother you, that the focus on 3D is gone? Because the Light Show has some faint" }, { "start": 2262.52, "end": 2263.52, "text": " 3D capabilities." }, { "start": 2263.52, "end": 2271.04, "text": " Yeah, well, we're not relying on stereo displays for 3D. Because we have 3D content that can" }, { "start": 2271.04, "end": 2275.7599999999998, "text": " be expressed in different ways, like perspective shift. And this 4K discussion is interesting" }, { "start": 2275.7599999999998, "end": 2279.6, "text": " because when HD TVs came out and started to become mainstream, how many people were out" }, { "start": 2279.6, "end": 2286.16, "text": " there actually watching HD content? Most people thought it was HD. It probably wasn't your" }, { "start": 2286.16, "end": 2292.12, "text": " website, but which site had the retina versus iPad 2 comparison? They walked into the Apple" }, { "start": 2292.12, "end": 2296.3199999999997, "text": " store and showed people the old iPads and said, check out this retina display. And everyone" }, { "start": 2296.3199999999997, "end": 2302.36, "text": " said, wow, it's so much better. And that could happen with 4K TVs. It took so long for content" }, { "start": 2302.36, "end": 2306.7999999999997, "text": " to make 2K or HD. It's gonna take a lot longer for it to make HD." }, { "start": 2306.8, "end": 2310.52, "text": " This is what I was getting at, is that everybody's talking about 4K. And then the president of" }, { "start": 2310.52, "end": 2314.1200000000003, "text": " Sony says, we don't know how you're gonna get it. But we want to do it. We're gonna" }, { "start": 2314.1200000000003, "end": 2318.2400000000002, "text": " be the first guys to do it. But we have to figure it out. And the industry has to figure" }, { "start": 2318.2400000000002, "end": 2319.2400000000002, "text": " it out." }, { "start": 2319.2400000000002, "end": 2324.6000000000004, "text": " I think it's difficult to invest in 4K content and 4K distribution when there's no 4K television." }, { "start": 2324.6000000000004, "end": 2325.6000000000004, "text": " Well, I think chicken and egg." }, { "start": 2325.6000000000004, "end": 2326.6000000000004, "text": " Right, but I think-" }, { "start": 2326.6000000000004, "end": 2330.32, "text": " I don't know this, but what's Blu-ray? What's Blu-ray in equivalent?" }, { "start": 2330.32, "end": 2331.88, "text": " It's 1080. You mean the resolution?" }, { "start": 2331.88, "end": 2332.88, "text": " Yeah, so it's 1080." }, { "start": 2332.88, "end": 2333.88, "text": " So it's 1K, right?" }, { "start": 2333.88, "end": 2334.88, "text": " It's 2K." }, { "start": 2334.88, "end": 2335.88, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2335.88, "end": 2340.76, "text": " So the only effective delivery mechanism for that video today is a Blu-ray disc. How is" }, { "start": 2340.76, "end": 2341.76, "text": " 4K gonna become huge?" }, { "start": 2341.76, "end": 2344.76, "text": " Well, Apple TV does. Yeah, Apple TV, PS3, Xbox, I'll do 1080." }, { "start": 2344.76, "end": 2345.76, "text": " No, they all do 1080." }, { "start": 2345.76, "end": 2349.48, "text": " They do 1080, but not as heavy as what's on a Blu-ray. I mean, it's not as good." }, { "start": 2349.48, "end": 2351.88, "text": " Right, I agree with you, it's not as good." }, { "start": 2351.88, "end": 2353.36, "text": " It's digitally compressed with the resolution." }, { "start": 2353.36, "end": 2360.48, "text": " I'll tell you what I think. I think there will be big changes in tele- we've been talking" }, { "start": 2360.48, "end": 2365.28, "text": " about some changes in television habits, video, let's call it video viewing habits. I'm not" }, { "start": 2365.28, "end": 2370.0800000000004, "text": " even sure the word television is gonna last another 20 years. Video viewing habits from" }, { "start": 2370.0800000000004, "end": 2378.32, "text": " whatever source. I think making the TV, the hardware, the software better and different" }, { "start": 2378.32, "end": 2383.84, "text": " and more smoothly integrated, just so I don't have to change inputs between being able to" }, { "start": 2383.84, "end": 2390.8, "text": " watch Hulu Plus and being able to watch CBS or Boardwalk Empire or something through cable," }, { "start": 2390.8, "end": 2397.48, "text": " if I do have cable. I mean, those things are gonna be much bigger deals in the next three" }, { "start": 2397.48, "end": 2398.48, "text": " years." }, { "start": 2398.48, "end": 2399.48, "text": " People will lose resolution to get that." }, { "start": 2399.48, "end": 2400.48, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 2400.48, "end": 2401.48, "text": " No, that's right." }, { "start": 2401.48, "end": 2402.48, "text": " They're doing it on your side." }, { "start": 2402.48, "end": 2403.48, "text": " Can I just-" }, { "start": 2403.48, "end": 2404.48, "text": " They do it on the web." }, { "start": 2404.48, "end": 2408.88, "text": " What you just said is really, really important. We haven't talked about it, but we all know" }, { "start": 2408.88, "end": 2415.04, "text": " or I think a lot of people know that one of the trends that it's not too evident here," }, { "start": 2415.04, "end": 2421.24, "text": " maybe it is and I just haven't seen it, I think a niche trend this year is there's a" }, { "start": 2421.24, "end": 2426.04, "text": " push to do much more expensive audio, basically iPods that are $700." }, { "start": 2426.04, "end": 2427.04, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2427.04, "end": 2430.4, "text": " And the Neil Young project and there's another one." }, { "start": 2430.4, "end": 2431.4, "text": " Come on." }, { "start": 2431.4, "end": 2437.2, "text": " We can- The point is these people are audiophiles or they're recording artists and they really" }, { "start": 2437.2, "end": 2438.2, "text": " feel like-" }, { "start": 2438.2, "end": 2439.2, "text": " They're specialists." }, { "start": 2439.2, "end": 2446.6, "text": " They really feel like the world decided, just as you just said, to go for a better interface" }, { "start": 2446.6, "end": 2450.2799999999997, "text": " and more convenience and give up the quality on the music." }, { "start": 2450.2799999999997, "end": 2451.2799999999997, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2451.2799999999997, "end": 2455.72, "text": " And they did and it was hugely successful. I mean, Steve Jobs at one of his appearances" }, { "start": 2455.72, "end": 2463.16, "text": " at my conference said he thought it was, it amazed him that people were willing to give" }, { "start": 2463.16, "end": 2467.4399999999996, "text": " up on the quality of the music to get the ability to put it in your pocket." }, { "start": 2467.44, "end": 2469.88, "text": " Well, this goes for the photography too, actually." }, { "start": 2469.88, "end": 2474.92, "text": " So if you... I don't care what company it is. I don't care if it's Google, I don't care" }, { "start": 2474.92, "end": 2477.56, "text": " if it's Intel, I don't care if it's Apple, I don't care if it's a company we haven't" }, { "start": 2477.56, "end": 2484.84, "text": " named is able somehow to get some rights deals done, enough to make some amount of critical" }, { "start": 2484.84, "end": 2491.48, "text": " mass and do a TV that is just really different than other TVs in its... the way you use" }, { "start": 2491.48, "end": 2496.4, "text": " it, the fact that you don't have to switch inputs, whatever all that. That will be... I'm" }, { "start": 2496.4, "end": 2500.88, "text": " saying I think that will be more important over the next three years than adding, doubling" }, { "start": 2500.88, "end": 2503.08, "text": " the resolution of Blu-ray so it's 4K." }, { "start": 2503.08, "end": 2504.08, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2504.08, "end": 2505.08, "text": " That's what I think." }, { "start": 2505.08, "end": 2506.08, "text": " So here's my counter-argument to that." }, { "start": 2506.08, "end": 2510.08, "text": " Right. TV is changing, but what we're seeing out there, just more resolution isn't going" }, { "start": 2510.08, "end": 2511.08, "text": " to be the biggest deal." }, { "start": 2511.08, "end": 2514, "text": " But here's my counter-argument to that. I don't think... I think as people buy the" }, { "start": 2514, "end": 2517.6, "text": " 4K... I think you... it's a chicken and egg problem, but one of them is actually more" }, { "start": 2517.6, "end": 2521.6, "text": " important than the other. And I think having the sets in people's homes is what creates" }, { "start": 2521.6, "end": 2526.36, "text": " demand for the content. And I think the broadcasters, the cable companies, they're not set up." }, { "start": 2526.36, "end": 2530, "text": " They're not set up to deliver this content. So as people get the televisions, which the" }, { "start": 2530, "end": 2534.8, "text": " curve of those prices is going to plummet, right? So as people get the 4K televisions," }, { "start": 2534.8, "end": 2539, "text": " they will create demand for the content, and the online services that can provide that" }, { "start": 2539, "end": 2544.2000000000003, "text": " content faster than the cable companies will begin to seriously challenge cable." }, { "start": 2544.2000000000003, "end": 2545.2000000000003, "text": " Well, this..." }, { "start": 2545.2000000000003, "end": 2546.2000000000003, "text": " And this is where I was going..." }, { "start": 2546.2000000000003, "end": 2547.2000000000003, "text": " And that will drive..." }, { "start": 2547.2000000000003, "end": 2548.2000000000003, "text": " And then your broadband prices are going to..." }, { "start": 2548.2000000000003, "end": 2549.2000000000003, "text": " But this is where I was going..." }, { "start": 2549.2000000000003, "end": 2550.2000000000003, "text": " Well, that's..." }, { "start": 2550.2000000000003, "end": 2554.04, "text": " And Casari, this is where I was actually going with this, said we wanted to drive, and you" }, { "start": 2554.04, "end": 2558.88, "text": " were talking about this, we wanted to drive the expansion of broadband because we think" }, { "start": 2558.88, "end": 2563.52, "text": " digital delivery is ultimately where the 4K content comes from. And so you've got these" }, { "start": 2563.52, "end": 2569.84, "text": " Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, everybody, right? All of those companies are doing 4K this year." }, { "start": 2569.84, "end": 2577.64, "text": " And they're all saying, this is where television is headed. And as a result, what's going to" }, { "start": 2577.64, "end": 2581.08, "text": " happen is we have to find... You know, there are countries, Asia and Europe, that have" }, { "start": 2581.08, "end": 2585.92, "text": " different broadband problems than we have here in America, but it has to drive up the" }, { "start": 2585.92, "end": 2591.7599999999998, "text": " pipe, right? You have to have a fatter pipe to get this stuff. And then does that create" }, { "start": 2591.7599999999998, "end": 2595.6, "text": "... I guess where I was going is, does that create an opportunity to completely disrupt" }, { "start": 2595.6, "end": 2599.48, "text": " the industry that we have now? Because if the cable companies aren't there to meet it," }, { "start": 2599.48, "end": 2605.04, "text": " and it ends up that Hulu is there, is there a way to..." }, { "start": 2605.04, "end": 2608.84, "text": " What is the lecture look like on a 4K TV? I imagine that those photos look even more" }, { "start": 2608.84, "end": 2610.84, "text": " beautiful, and the internet is rich in-" }, { "start": 2610.84, "end": 2614.76, "text": " But you've got to make a device that can take photos, that can utilize... That wouldn't" }, { "start": 2614.76, "end": 2617.76, "text": " be hard for you, probably, to make a 4K device." }, { "start": 2617.76, "end": 2619.44, "text": " Yeah, it'll get upscaled, and if the-" }, { "start": 2619.44, "end": 2624, "text": " How large would a 4K Lytro be? Just show me. Would it be like this? Because it has to be" }, { "start": 2624, "end": 2625.7200000000003, "text": " actually physically larger, right?" }, { "start": 2625.7200000000003, "end": 2630.6000000000004, "text": " It doesn't. It needs more rays or pixels in the underlying sensor, and they can be more" }, { "start": 2630.6000000000004, "end": 2631.6000000000004, "text": " densely packed." }, { "start": 2631.6000000000004, "end": 2633.08, "text": " And you could do that right now?" }, { "start": 2633.08, "end": 2635.08, "text": " We could do that. It's a cost issue." }, { "start": 2635.08, "end": 2636.48, "text": " How expensive would it be?" }, { "start": 2636.48, "end": 2639.84, "text": " A 4K Lytro output, full output, in video?" }, { "start": 2639.84, "end": 2643.52, "text": " Yeah. No, no, no. 4K still. You mean just to be a ballpark?" }, { "start": 2643.52, "end": 2646.88, "text": " It'd be really expensive. It'd be tens of thousands of dollars in the high end." }, { "start": 2646.88, "end": 2648.84, "text": " Just to get a few more thousand pixels?" }, { "start": 2648.84, "end": 2650.84, "text": " A few more thousand output pixels." }, { "start": 2650.84, "end": 2652.32, "text": " What, was it $10 a pixel?" }, { "start": 2652.32, "end": 2654.32, "text": " Well, what is it now? What is it now?" }, { "start": 2654.32, "end": 2657.32, "text": " You know what? It sounds so cheap, the way you put it. Just more pixels." }, { "start": 2657.32, "end": 2661.32, "text": " You ought to start paying your employees in pixels, because they're worth more than dollars." }, { "start": 2661.32, "end": 2662.32, "text": " That would be very affordable." }, { "start": 2662.32, "end": 2663.32, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2663.32, "end": 2664.32, "text": " Very affordable." }, { "start": 2664.32, "end": 2665.32, "text": " I don't think so." }, { "start": 2665.32, "end": 2667.32, "text": " Well, all right. Maybe not on not easy, he's bad." }, { "start": 2667.32, "end": 2670.32, "text": " Josh, people have been throwing away pixels forever." }, { "start": 2670.32, "end": 2674.32, "text": " They throw them away. You take a 20 megapixel thing and you look at it on this 1080p display." }, { "start": 2674.32, "end": 2676.32, "text": " Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They don't care. To Walt's point." }, { "start": 2676.32, "end": 2679.32, "text": " They don't care. And it looks better when it goes 4K because the display is around the same size" }, { "start": 2679.32, "end": 2680.32, "text": " and the pixels are much more dense." }, { "start": 2680.32, "end": 2682.32, "text": " But it's just good enough. That's what it is." }, { "start": 2682.32, "end": 2686.32, "text": " That's why people started buying netbooks a few years ago. Remember the netbook?" }, { "start": 2686.32, "end": 2692.32, "text": " Right, but if you want to bring this all the way back to Apple and all the phones we're seeing here," }, { "start": 2692.32, "end": 2695.32, "text": " people want the pixels back." }, { "start": 2695.32, "end": 2698.32, "text": " And they drove two huge adoption curves by saying the screen is better." }, { "start": 2698.32, "end": 2700.32, "text": " Every phone here is five inches in 1080p." }, { "start": 2700.32, "end": 2706.32, "text": " But most people will wait until, they'd love to have them back, but they'll wait until it's reasonably priced." }, { "start": 2706.32, "end": 2716.32, "text": " Plenty of people, they sold a ton of pre-retina screens and then the next thing that they could advertise around," }, { "start": 2716.32, "end": 2720.32, "text": " and it was an engineering achievement, I don't take it away from them, but was the retina screen." }, { "start": 2720.32, "end": 2725.32, "text": " It wasn't like there was a huge, a lot of people that bought those retinas had already bought the non-retina ones." }, { "start": 2725.32, "end": 2727.32, "text": " They just went and bought it." }, { "start": 2727.32, "end": 2729.32, "text": " They just wanted to throw money away." }, { "start": 2729.32, "end": 2735.32, "text": " Well it does. But if you look at the retina MacBook, that is, to me, that is the silliest product." }, { "start": 2735.32, "end": 2740.32, "text": " I don't want it there. I think my screen has enough pixels and I use them in a different way." }, { "start": 2740.32, "end": 2743.32, "text": " When I look at my iPad, I'm consuming content. I want it to be very beautiful." }, { "start": 2743.32, "end": 2746.32, "text": " You feel like you want them, but you don't necessarily feel like you need them." }, { "start": 2746.32, "end": 2756.32, "text": " If you'd like to save an extra hundred bucks, it doesn't feel like that big of a deal to go get the iPad 2 instead of the new, what is it, the fourth generation." }, { "start": 2756.32, "end": 2763.32, "text": " For a lot of people, and I suspect, I don't know the sales numbers, they don't share those exact numbers, but I'll bet they sold a lot of iPad 2s." }, { "start": 2763.32, "end": 2765.32, "text": " I bet they sold a lot of iPad 2s." }, { "start": 2765.32, "end": 2769.32, "text": " And I'll bet they sold a lot of iPad Minis, which has the same resolution as the iPad 2." }, { "start": 2769.32, "end": 2770.32, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 2770.32, "end": 2777.32, "text": " Just the way iTunes sells a lot of lower quality MP3s and people are taking a lot of lower quality pictures and watching compressed." }, { "start": 2777.32, "end": 2779.32, "text": " This panel has gotten extremely depressing." }, { "start": 2779.32, "end": 2782.32, "text": " No, I think what it is is that..." }, { "start": 2782.32, "end": 2783.32, "text": " We should turn it over to them." }, { "start": 2783.32, "end": 2785.32, "text": " I think, well we're going to in just a second." }, { "start": 2785.32, "end": 2792.32, "text": " But I do think that the average consumer, people aren't specialists. They just want the content." }, { "start": 2792.32, "end": 2793.32, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 2793.32, "end": 2794.32, "text": " They just want the stuff." }, { "start": 2794.32, "end": 2800.32, "text": " I mean, I'm a Phil Steam, but I'm happy to watch Hulu Plus on the iPad Mini." }, { "start": 2800.32, "end": 2801.32, "text": " I'm happy to watch it." }, { "start": 2801.32, "end": 2802.32, "text": " It looks fine." }, { "start": 2802.32, "end": 2803.32, "text": " It looks great to me." }, { "start": 2803.32, "end": 2810.32, "text": " Sometimes I say, or the Galaxy, the Nexus 7." }, { "start": 2810.32, "end": 2816.32, "text": " I say to myself, I'm holding this thing and this really looks like good video." }, { "start": 2816.32, "end": 2821.32, "text": " Now I know that on the bigger, heavier one with the retina, it looks better." }, { "start": 2821.32, "end": 2829.32, "text": " And I have that one, but I grab the Nexus 7 because it's just a little lighter and easier to carry around." }, { "start": 2829.32, "end": 2832.32, "text": " I'm still happy to watch Hulu on it." }, { "start": 2832.32, "end": 2835.32, "text": " I want to do, we only have a few minutes." }, { "start": 2835.32, "end": 2839.32, "text": " I want to do some Q&A for the panel here." }, { "start": 2839.32, "end": 2844.32, "text": " If you've got a question, any question at all, raise your hand and someone will find you with a microphone." }, { "start": 2844.32, "end": 2845.32, "text": " Someone has to focus us." }, { "start": 2845.32, "end": 2847.32, "text": " We've got a couple here." }, { "start": 2847.32, "end": 2851.32, "text": " Yeah, we are all over the place there." }, { "start": 2851.32, "end": 2854.32, "text": " I think we'll get to you guys in a second." }, { "start": 2854.32, "end": 2856.32, "text": " We've got a few runners kind of floating around." }, { "start": 2856.32, "end": 2860.32, "text": " Yeah, there's a gentleman over here in the blue shirt and you've got somebody over there." }, { "start": 2860.32, "end": 2864.32, "text": " Whoever gets to somebody first with a microphone." }, { "start": 2864.32, "end": 2865.32, "text": " Whoever's happy." }, { "start": 2865.32, "end": 2866.32, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 2866.32, "end": 2869.32, "text": " Sorry, we'll try to get to you guys." }, { "start": 2869.32, "end": 2870.32, "text": " Hello." }, { "start": 2870.32, "end": 2875.32, "text": " You started to drift a little bit from the topic, which was the future, revisited." }, { "start": 2875.32, "end": 2877.32, "text": " Did we?" }, { "start": 2877.32, "end": 2881.32, "text": " We might have digressed." }, { "start": 2881.32, "end": 2890.32, "text": " I wanted to revisit the topic of the future revisited and get to the overall trend that I heard a couple of times before on panels" }, { "start": 2890.32, "end": 2902.32, "text": " with the user interface revolution and the convertible idea that there's a collapsing of the gadgets into one convertible tablet-like thing." }, { "start": 2902.32, "end": 2905.32, "text": " I thought you said no, but what about that?" }, { "start": 2905.32, "end": 2909.32, "text": " Is that really a big deal, gesture and touch?" }, { "start": 2909.32, "end": 2910.32, "text": " What's the question?" }, { "start": 2910.32, "end": 2911.32, "text": " What about the user interfaces?" }, { "start": 2911.32, "end": 2916.32, "text": " What about the future of how that's going to impact the industry?" }, { "start": 2916.32, "end": 2921.32, "text": " Software and user interfaces are increasingly important because you touch everything now." }, { "start": 2921.32, "end": 2922.32, "text": " This is my opinion." }, { "start": 2922.32, "end": 2931.32, "text": " Don't you think we're beginning to see, I think we went from obviously from DOS to GUI" }, { "start": 2931.32, "end": 2939.32, "text": " and then I think the importance of multi-touch regardless of who has the patents and who invented it, it's kind of boring, but the importance of it is it's kind of" }, { "start": 2939.32, "end": 2942.32, "text": " Don't mention patents right now." }, { "start": 2942.32, "end": 2944.32, "text": " We'll be here all day." }, { "start": 2944.32, "end": 2949.32, "text": " Direct manipulation, multi-touch." }, { "start": 2949.32, "end": 2954.32, "text": " Now we have gesture and perceptual and things that are controlled by eye tracking." }, { "start": 2954.32, "end": 2957.32, "text": " That's all in the wind." }, { "start": 2957.32, "end": 2963.32, "text": " But we have started on the next wave of user interface and that's hugely important." }, { "start": 2963.32, "end": 2972.32, "text": " Obviously if you only have a screen, you better be sure, you better be damn sure that you know how to get somebody to use that thing because you can do whatever you want with it." }, { "start": 2972.32, "end": 2977.32, "text": " It's not like, hey, I'm constrained by a QWERTY keyboard and you can only do so many things with 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"end": 3015.32, "text": " You build your own interface that is optimized for content discovery that has nothing to do with what Apple provides." }, { "start": 3015.32, "end": 3019.32, "text": " You build your own interface for viewing interactive photos that kind of has nothing to do with what Apple provides." }, { "start": 3019.32, "end": 3024.32, "text": " I think the best apps on iOS right now are Google's apps, which don't look anything like what Apple provides." }, { "start": 3024.32, "end": 3027.32, "text": " But at a high level, yeah, but that interface is changing rapidly." }, { "start": 3027.32, "end": 3031.32, "text": " But at a high level, you've got to have that, you have to have the basic." }, { "start": 3031.32, "end": 3032.32, "text": " It's still touch." }, { "start": 3032.32, "end": 3033.32, "text": " The UI has to be there." }, { "start": 3033.32, "end": 3034.32, "text": " It's touch." }, { "start": 3034.32, "end": 3035.32, "text": " But that's still touch." }, { 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swipes, you know, this swipes up, this swipes over to turn on traffic." }, { "start": 3067.32, "end": 3069.32, "text": " Those kinds of gestures." }, { "start": 3069.32, "end": 3071.32, "text": " Those are Android innovations, by the way." }, { "start": 3071.32, "end": 3073.32, "text": " Those are Android motifs." }, { "start": 3073.32, "end": 3076.32, "text": " Whatever, but they're touch gesture innovations." }, { "start": 3076.32, "end": 3087.32, "text": " And I think, I don't know for sure, but I mean, I think he was talking about the future is really, I think, kind of this perceptual, natural gesture recognition stuff." }, { "start": 3087.32, "end": 3089.32, "text": " And it's around, it's around the floor." }, { "start": 3089.32, "end": 3090.32, "text": " You'll see it." }, { "start": 3090.32, "end": 3099.32, "text": " Let me ask you this. You've got a product that not, when people get a light trail, not only do they have to understand how to use it, they have to understand what is going on." }, { "start": 3099.32, "end": 3102.32, "text": " Because unless you kind of know what's going on, you can't get the most out of it." }, { "start": 3102.32, "end": 3109.32, "text": " So when you design the interface for the tablet, for touch, versus the interface for the desktop, how do you kind of, how do you teach the user what's going on?" }, { "start": 3109.32, "end": 3113.32, "text": " Because that's, you have the biggest interface challenge of all, I think." }, { "start": 3113.32, "end": 3116.32, "text": " And your interface is extremely vague and bizarre." }, { "start": 3116.32, "end": 3120.32, "text": " I mean, to try to use one, there's a bunch of hidden menus." }, { "start": 3120.32, "end": 3121.32, "text": " I'm not saying it's bad." }, { "start": 3121.32, "end": 3123.32, "text": " It's just vague and bizarre." }, { "start": 3123.32, "end": 3124.32, "text": " It makes sense in touch." }, { "start": 3124.32, "end": 3129.32, "text": " Because in touch, you know, you touch something that's blurry and it refocuses and you drag around and the perspective changes." }, { "start": 3129.32, "end": 3134.32, "text": " And in fact, you can just tilt the device and the accelerometer will trigger the perspective shift to move as well." }, { "start": 3134.32, "end": 3140.32, "text": " So we're starting to see some ways to get passive interactivity in Lightfield, which is something we always thought about." }, { "start": 3140.32, "end": 3145.32, "text": " But with a computer, it's just the tools, the standard interfaces aren't there." }, { "start": 3145.32, "end": 3151.32, "text": " So if you can just move the device and the picture changes, then suddenly it's interactive without you having to actually do anything." }, { "start": 3151.32, "end": 3154.32, "text": " Let's try to get, there's a, I think somebody has a microphone." }, { "start": 3154.32, "end": 3156.32, "text": " Did we take the microphone away?" }, { "start": 3156.32, "end": 3157.32, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 3157.32, "end": 3158.32, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3158.32, "end": 3160.32, "text": " And by the way, I do think we talked about the future." }, { "start": 3160.32, "end": 3164.32, "text": " I just want to say that what we were talking about, we kind of veered into the future of content and content delivery." }, { "start": 3164.32, "end": 3166.32, "text": " But that was." }, { "start": 3166.32, "end": 3169.32, "text": " Just a quick, easy question about 3D." }, { "start": 3169.32, "end": 3176.32, "text": " How can you say it's dead or gone if there's like 30 movies coming out and some of the biggest movies out were 3D this recently?" }, { "start": 3176.32, "end": 3178.32, "text": " I think it'll be a difficult animal to kill." }, { "start": 3178.32, "end": 3179.32, "text": " Here's how I know 3D is dead." }, { "start": 3179.32, "end": 3181.32, "text": " It's on the ground, I think." }, { "start": 3181.32, "end": 3182.32, "text": " I just don't think that people." }, { "start": 3182.32, "end": 3183.32, "text": " It's on the ground." }, { "start": 3183.32, "end": 3186.32, "text": " I think it's been wrestled to the ground." }, { "start": 3186.32, "end": 3188.32, "text": " And blood." }, { "start": 3188.32, "end": 3190.32, "text": " The death blow has to happen." }, { "start": 3190.32, "end": 3191.32, "text": " Here's what I think." }, { "start": 3191.32, "end": 3193.32, "text": " I think 3D was a gimmick for the most part." }, { "start": 3193.32, "end": 3198.32, "text": " I think in the living room, it is, I consider it to be a complete failure." }, { "start": 3198.32, "end": 3201.32, "text": " Anybody who sits in their house with glasses on, there's one person right there." }, { "start": 3201.32, "end": 3203.32, "text": " I think he just wants a microphone." }, { "start": 3203.32, "end": 3204.32, "text": " Oh, you want a microphone?" }, { "start": 3204.32, "end": 3207.32, "text": " Does anybody here sit in their living room and watch 3D?" }, { "start": 3207.32, "end": 3208.32, "text": " There's one person." }, { "start": 3208.32, "end": 3209.32, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3209.32, "end": 3210.32, "text": " So like three." }, { "start": 3210.32, "end": 3211.32, "text": " And also this gentleman." }, { "start": 3211.32, "end": 3212.32, "text": " Oh, you do." }, { "start": 3212.32, "end": 3213.32, "text": " In the theater." }, { "start": 3213.32, "end": 3214.32, "text": " Okay, but in the theater." }, { "start": 3214.32, "end": 3215.32, "text": " No, in the theater." }, { "start": 3215.32, "end": 3217.32, "text": " I think in the theater, it'll still be." }, { "start": 3217.32, "end": 3219.32, "text": " There will be the right movies and the wrong movies." }, { "start": 3219.32, "end": 3220.32, "text": " I want to come to his defense." }, { "start": 3220.32, "end": 3222.32, "text": " I think he was talking about televisions in your home." }, { "start": 3222.32, "end": 3223.32, "text": " Yeah, yeah." }, { "start": 3223.32, "end": 3225.32, "text": " I was talking about the home 3D movement that's been pushed on us a lot." }, { "start": 3225.32, "end": 3227.32, "text": " I've covered Sony's keynote for what, five years?" }, { "start": 3227.32, "end": 3230.32, "text": " I've had to wear 3D glasses for four of those five years." }, { "start": 3230.32, "end": 3231.32, "text": " It's true." }, { "start": 3231.32, "end": 3233.32, "text": " We have pictures of him in 3D glasses for many key." }, { "start": 3233.32, "end": 3236.32, "text": " I mean, Howard Stringer wandered around the stage looking lost in 3D glasses for like an hour." }, { "start": 3236.32, "end": 3238.32, "text": " Which is what will happen when you have them on." }, { "start": 3238.32, "end": 3240.32, "text": " And it's just over." }, { "start": 3240.32, "end": 3243.32, "text": " And I think you'll see fewer and fewer films, actually." }, { "start": 3243.32, "end": 3251.32, "text": " I think that if you look at how much content is coming out, they're really going to zero in on the avatars, the spectacles." }, { "start": 3251.32, "end": 3253.32, "text": " And those are going to be few and far between." }, { "start": 3253.32, "end": 3254.32, "text": " And I think that'll drive box office." }, { "start": 3254.32, "end": 3257.32, "text": " People are going to want to go to the theater to get the 3D experience." }, { "start": 3257.32, "end": 3262.32, "text": " Actually, a couple of years ago, and I think you were there and maybe some of the rest of you." }, { "start": 3262.32, "end": 3264.32, "text": " I like how you said this was a question." }, { "start": 3264.32, "end": 3269.32, "text": " We had James Cameron at our conference, who arguably has done the best job of it." }, { "start": 3269.32, "end": 3274.32, "text": " And he predicted there would be a whole bunch of crap movies in 3D that would do it badly." }, { "start": 3274.32, "end": 3276.32, "text": " And it would eventually." }, { "start": 3276.32, "end": 3277.32, "text": " You said James Cameron?" }, { "start": 3277.32, "end": 3278.32, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3278.32, "end": 3279.32, "text": " By the way, he was a genius." }, { "start": 3279.32, "end": 3280.32, "text": " The guy's a genius." }, { "start": 3280.32, "end": 3281.32, "text": " But he was right." }, { "start": 3281.32, "end": 3282.32, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3282.32, "end": 3285.32, "text": " You had a bunch of horror movies, Texas Chainsaw Massacre 3D." }, { "start": 3285.32, "end": 3286.32, "text": " Maybe that was successful." }, { "start": 3286.32, "end": 3287.32, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3287.32, "end": 3292.32, "text": " But I'm certainly not in any, don't know anything about theatrical stuff." }, { "start": 3292.32, "end": 3294.32, "text": " And that's a different category." }, { "start": 3294.32, "end": 3297.32, "text": " But it's certainly true that this show was full of 3D TVs." }, { "start": 3297.32, "end": 3299.32, "text": " And I really, it's not now." }, { "start": 3299.32, "end": 3300.32, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3300.32, "end": 3301.32, "text": " It's not." }, { "start": 3301.32, "end": 3302.32, "text": " I saw one 3D TV here." }, { "start": 3302.32, "end": 3304.32, "text": " Visio has a totally glasses-free." }, { "start": 3304.32, "end": 3306.32, "text": " It's got this crazy Dolby technology." }, { "start": 3306.32, "end": 3307.32, "text": " It looks really cool." }, { "start": 3307.32, "end": 3309.32, "text": " And they're like, it's three years out." }, { "start": 3309.32, "end": 3314.32, "text": " I think our original headline for that story was 3D won, 3D is dead." }, { "start": 3314.32, "end": 3321.32, "text": " Because every TV can do, probably everybody's TV here is capable of 3D because they could build it in cheaply enough." }, { "start": 3321.32, "end": 3323.32, "text": " But nobody is really using it or making content for it." }, { "start": 3323.32, "end": 3324.32, "text": " Anybody else?" }, { "start": 3324.32, "end": 3326.32, "text": " I think we can probably get one more question in." }, { "start": 3326.32, "end": 3330.32, "text": " We've got this gentleman here, which he had his hand up a while ago." }, { "start": 3330.32, "end": 3332.32, "text": " I'm just enjoying this." }, { "start": 3332.32, "end": 3333.32, "text": " The mic is coming over." }, { "start": 3333.32, "end": 3335.32, "text": " I like your argument." }, { "start": 3335.32, "end": 3336.32, "text": " Oh, hi, George." }, { "start": 3336.32, "end": 3337.32, "text": " There's the mic." }, { "start": 3337.32, "end": 3338.32, "text": " Here we go." }, { "start": 3338.32, "end": 3339.32, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 3339.32, "end": 3340.32, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3340.32, "end": 3346.32, "text": " Basically, I happen to be a professional inventor, and I've invented stuff for Hollywood." }, { "start": 3346.32, "end": 3359.32, "text": " The thrust for the 4K and the 8K and the 16 and the zillion K is that they had to throw stuff on a very large screen, 60 feet, 30 feet, and so on." }, { "start": 3359.32, "end": 3362.32, "text": " And they're trying to replace the film." }, { "start": 3362.32, "end": 3365.32, "text": " Film has a wonderful quality and very good resolution." }, { "start": 3365.32, "end": 3370.32, "text": " And the digital stuff was barely coming up and so on." }, { "start": 3370.32, "end": 3375.32, "text": " There's a phrase in inventing, it's good enough is best." }, { "start": 3375.32, "end": 3378.32, "text": " Sorry, I don't mean to rush you along, but we're almost done." }, { "start": 3378.32, "end": 3386.32, "text": " Anyway, so this all came out of the theatrical stuff and then has kind of bumped itself down into the normal house." }, { "start": 3386.32, "end": 3387.32, "text": " That's not a question." }, { "start": 3387.32, "end": 3388.32, "text": " That's not a question." }, { "start": 3388.32, "end": 3390.32, "text": " It's a statement." }, { "start": 3390.32, "end": 3392.32, "text": " It's a good point, but not a question." }, { "start": 3392.32, "end": 3395.32, "text": " Did you just inflect at the end?" }, { "start": 3395.32, "end": 3396.32, "text": " It sounds like it." }, { "start": 3396.32, "end": 3397.32, "text": " It did." }, { "start": 3397.32, "end": 3399.32, "text": " It went up a little bit towards a question." }, { "start": 3399.32, "end": 3400.32, "text": " Thank you." }, { "start": 3400.32, "end": 3402.32, "text": " You know, we have 30 seconds left." }, { "start": 3402.32, "end": 3405.32, "text": " Do you want to try to get one more in 30 seconds or?" }, { "start": 3405.32, "end": 3406.32, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3406.32, "end": 3407.32, "text": " If anybody is." }, { "start": 3407.32, "end": 3408.32, "text": " She's got it." }, { "start": 3408.32, "end": 3409.32, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3409.32, "end": 3413.32, "text": " You found somebody who's, just give that mic to any human here." }, { "start": 3413.32, "end": 3415.32, "text": " Even if they don't have their hand up." }, { "start": 3415.32, "end": 3417.32, "text": " All these people have questions." }, { "start": 3417.32, "end": 3419.32, "text": " Here we go." }, { "start": 3419.32, "end": 3424.32, "text": " So with the advent of contextual awareness and a lot of the sensors that aren't being utilized right now, for instance," }, { "start": 3424.32, "end": 3427.32, "text": " Samsung has the barometric sensor and that kind of stuff." }, { "start": 3427.32, "end": 3434.32, "text": " How soon do you think you'll see those things come to light in the future and consumers actually start to adopt those kinds of things?" }, { "start": 3434.32, "end": 3435.32, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3435.32, "end": 3440.32, "text": " I think that just, and we're going to have to end it here, but in the next few years it could be an explosion." }, { "start": 3440.32, "end": 3442.32, "text": " They already are, right?" }, { "start": 3442.32, "end": 3444.32, "text": " The Fitbit and the Nike Fuelband." }, { "start": 3444.32, "end": 3448.32, "text": " Consumers, for whatever reason, they want to know what's going on with their bodies with data." }, { "start": 3448.32, "end": 3451.32, "text": " And the more you can, and the future is integrated." }, { "start": 3451.32, "end": 3454.32, "text": " Qualcomm has an initiative to create the tricorder." }, { "start": 3454.32, "end": 3459.32, "text": " They're actually trying to give somebody millions of dollars to build a real Star Trek tricorder." }, { "start": 3459.32, "end": 3461.32, "text": " I think sensors are huge." }, { "start": 3461.32, "end": 3468.32, "text": " And you all use them every day that you don't even think about them in your phones." }, { "start": 3468.32, "end": 3470.32, "text": " And those are the first group that came out." }, { "start": 3470.32, "end": 3475.32, "text": " Now we're kind of in the second wave of sensors and we'll be in the third wave maybe in another year or two." }, { "start": 3475.32, "end": 3476.32, "text": " So they're huge." }, { "start": 3476.32, "end": 3477.32, "text": " Unfortunately, we've got to wrap up." }, { "start": 3477.32, "end": 3478.32, "text": " I want to thank the panel." }, { "start": 3478.32, "end": 3479.32, "text": " Thank you guys so much." }, { "start": 3479.32, "end": 3481.32, "text": " Thank you for joining us." }, { "start": 3481.32, "end": 3508.32, "text": " Appreciate it." } ]

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beautiful downtown Las Vegas on the, in the parking lot adjacent" }, { "start": 52.56, "end": 54.84, "text": " to the Las Vegas Convention Center." }, { "start": 54.84, "end": 55.900000000000006, "text": " Under the monorail." }, { "start": 55.9, "end": 61.839999999999996, "text": " Under the monorail, the scenic monorail, wherein the Las Vegas Convention Center, wherein the" }, { "start": 61.839999999999996, "end": 67.84, "text": " consumer electronics show is in fact occurring during business hours, which end at some point." }, { "start": 67.84, "end": 69.36, "text": " Anyhow, I'm Josh Dabolsky." }, { "start": 69.36, "end": 70.6, "text": " I'm Paul Miller." }, { "start": 70.6, "end": 71.76, "text": " And we have a very special guest." }, { "start": 71.76, "end": 72.75999999999999, "text": " Nilay Patel." }, { "start": 72.75999999999999, "end": 78.38, "text": " Nilay Patel here with us, who is, you know, I'll be honest, he looks a little different" }, { "start": 78.38, "end": 79.38, "text": " after a few days of CES." }, { "start": 79.38, "end": 80.38, "text": " I don't feel so good." }, { "start": 80.38, "end": 81.38, "text": " I'll be honest with you." }, { "start": 81.38, "end": 82.38, "text": " I think." }, { "start": 82.38, "end": 85.38, "text": " I think there's something wrong with Nilay." }, { "start": 85.38, "end": 95.44, "text": " And I am, I'm concerned, but I also feel like he looks a little better too." }, { "start": 95.44, "end": 96.44, "text": " Certainly slightly lighter." }, { "start": 96.44, "end": 99.72, "text": " I could, either way I could learn to love this Nilay." }, { "start": 99.72, "end": 100.72, "text": " This Nilay is, is lovable." }, { "start": 100.72, "end": 105.72, "text": " Do you want me to talk to you guys about patent law?" }, { "start": 105.72, "end": 106.72, "text": " Please." }, { "start": 106.72, "end": 107.72, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 107.72, "end": 108.72, "text": " Just give us a quick rundown." }, { "start": 108.72, "end": 109.72, "text": " It's all messed up right now." }, { "start": 109.72, "end": 112.72, "text": " And things are getting real bad out there." }, { "start": 112.72, "end": 113.72, "text": " Keep going." }, { "start": 113.72, "end": 117.72, "text": " I think the government needs to take some responsibility." }, { "start": 117.72, "end": 118.72, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 118.72, "end": 119.72, "text": " Go on." }, { "start": 119.72, "end": 120.72, "text": " I like, I get behind that." }, { "start": 120.72, "end": 123.48, "text": " We need to stop capitulating to the corporate interests." }, { "start": 123.48, "end": 126.96, "text": " Basically, this is basically the old Nilay is back as far as I'm concerned." }, { "start": 126.96, "end": 127.96, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 127.96, "end": 128.96, "text": " I'm back." }, { "start": 128.96, "end": 129.96, "text": " I needed your shot." }, { "start": 129.96, "end": 130.96, "text": " Back and better than ever." }, { "start": 130.96, "end": 131.96, "text": " This is actually Chris Grant." }, { "start": 131.96, "end": 135.24, "text": " This is Chris Grant, editor-in-chief of Polygon.com, our sister site." }, { "start": 135.24, "end": 137.64, "text": " Our sister, our little baby sister." }, { "start": 137.64, "end": 143.68, "text": " Everyone knows that, you know, I'm here along with Mick McQuirter because CES is the biggest" }, { "start": 143.68, "end": 145.44, "text": " gaming trade show of the year." }, { "start": 145.44, "end": 147.96, "text": " Actually the biggest, most interesting stuff at this show has been gaming." }, { "start": 147.96, "end": 148.96, "text": " Happens to be gaming." }, { "start": 148.96, "end": 149.96, "text": " Has been gaming related." }, { "start": 149.96, "end": 156.44, "text": " I will say that this time last week, I tried hanging myself knowing that CES was coming" }, { "start": 156.44, "end": 157.44, "text": " and then I got interrupted." }, { "start": 157.44, "end": 160.68, "text": " And I tried drinking and taking a lot of pills and that didn't work." }, { "start": 160.68, "end": 161.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 161.68, "end": 162.68, "text": " It was, that was a cry for help." }, { "start": 162.68, "end": 163.68, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 163.68, "end": 164.68, "text": " You didn't really want to die." }, { "start": 164.68, "end": 167.68, "text": " You just wanted someone to know how much you were hurting about CES." }, { "start": 167.68, "end": 168.68, "text": " And how much I didn't want to be a CES right now." }, { "start": 168.68, "end": 169.68, "text": " And now I'm here." }, { "start": 169.68, "end": 174.72, "text": " And I will say quite honestly, this is the most exciting CES I've ever been to." }, { "start": 174.72, "end": 180.24, "text": " I actually, really, I'm going to say, I'm going to say this is one of, this is number" }, { "start": 180.24, "end": 181.24, "text": " six or seven." }, { "start": 181.24, "end": 183.6, "text": " This is one of the most exciting I've been to." }, { "start": 183.6, "end": 184.6, "text": " I don't know why." }, { "start": 184.6, "end": 186.32, "text": " There have just been interesting." }, { "start": 186.32, "end": 187.32, "text": " I don't, I can't explain it." }, { "start": 187.32, "end": 189.52, "text": " I am having more fun this year." }, { "start": 189.52, "end": 193.24, "text": " I think there's a couple of reasons and then we'll get into it." }, { "start": 193.24, "end": 196.4, "text": " First off, I think there have been a couple of really interesting developments." }, { "start": 196.4, "end": 197.4, "text": " 4k." }, { "start": 197.4, "end": 199.64000000000001, "text": " No, but, but there, but yeah." }, { "start": 199.64, "end": 203.67999999999998, "text": " But it's, but there, I think there's no, it's high resolution." }, { "start": 203.67999999999998, "end": 208.11999999999998, "text": " I saw, I watched, I looked at 4k today by the way." }, { "start": 208.11999999999998, "end": 209.11999999999998, "text": " I'm not impressed." }, { "start": 209.11999999999998, "end": 211, "text": " I'm not that impressed." }, { "start": 211, "end": 212, "text": " You're impressed." }, { "start": 212, "end": 214.11999999999998, "text": " I'm a little impressed." }, { "start": 214.11999999999998, "end": 215.92, "text": " It's just a higher resolution." }, { "start": 215.92, "end": 218.44, "text": " I'm used to higher resolution displays." }, { "start": 218.44, "end": 223.2, "text": " You know, an iPad three right in front of you is basically like a kind of a, it's like" }, { "start": 223.2, "end": 225.51999999999998, "text": " two and a half K TV." }, { "start": 225.51999999999998, "end": 226.51999999999998, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 226.51999999999998, "end": 227.51999999999998, "text": " Whatever." }, { "start": 227.51999999999998, "end": 228.51999999999998, "text": " I have an iPad." }, { "start": 228.52, "end": 229.52, "text": " I have a 4k TV." }, { "start": 229.52, "end": 230.52, "text": " Huh?" }, { "start": 230.52, "end": 231.52, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 231.52, "end": 232.52, "text": " Anyhow, but let's, let's talk about the iPad." }, { "start": 232.52, "end": 233.52, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 233.52, "end": 234.52, "text": " I want to talk about CS." }, { "start": 234.52, "end": 235.52, "text": " Why do you like CS?" }, { "start": 235.52, "end": 236.52, "text": " I think it's been cool stuff." }, { "start": 236.52, "end": 241.28, "text": " I also think, um, you know, we had last night we talked about this Qualcomm keynote, which" }, { "start": 241.28, "end": 246.72, "text": " was just absolutely terrible, but I feel like we made lemonade out of the lemons of it" }, { "start": 246.72, "end": 251.20000000000002, "text": " by kind of poking fun at it, which was really enjoyable." }, { "start": 251.20000000000002, "end": 254.16000000000003, "text": " And I think people enjoy it." }, { "start": 254.16, "end": 259.92, "text": " And what I will say is, uh, we were poking fun at that, but that, what I realized truly" }, { "start": 259.92, "end": 264.88, "text": " today is that doesn't, that really doesn't represent this show." }, { "start": 264.88, "end": 267.15999999999997, "text": " That stuff doesn't represent what's going on at the show." }, { "start": 267.15999999999997, "end": 269.24, "text": " I think it's, I think at one point it used to." }, { "start": 269.24, "end": 275.08, "text": " No, I think maybe before Qualcomm did what they did last night, it used to." }, { "start": 275.08, "end": 279.52, "text": " But I know Microsoft was so, Microsoft was so tone deaf usually, but it was not as tone" }, { "start": 279.52, "end": 280.52, "text": " deaf." }, { "start": 280.52, "end": 285.35999999999996, "text": " Microsoft was so very tone deaf that it made me realize that what happens on the floor." }, { "start": 285.35999999999996, "end": 287.91999999999996, "text": " And then I went out on the floor today to do this, this Sony interview, which we'll" }, { "start": 287.91999999999996, "end": 288.91999999999996, "text": " talk about in a little bit." }, { "start": 288.91999999999996, "end": 294.28, "text": " But I was like, this is, CS has got some weird, interesting stuff going on out there that" }, { "start": 294.28, "end": 298.2, "text": " has nothing to do with the garbage that we saw." }, { "start": 298.2, "end": 299.88, "text": " I saw the Qualcomm thing." }, { "start": 299.88, "end": 300.88, "text": " You know what I didn't think it was weird?" }, { "start": 300.88, "end": 301.88, "text": " I didn't even bat an eye, which is sad." }, { "start": 301.88, "end": 302.88, "text": " I feel like I'm like a rug." }, { "start": 302.88, "end": 303.88, "text": " I don't know how to feel anymore." }, { "start": 303.88, "end": 304.88, "text": " Um, I've seen that." }, { "start": 304.88, "end": 305.88, "text": " I've seen a Konami E3 press conference." }, { "start": 305.88, "end": 316.12, "text": " I'm told you've seen a Konami E3 press conference where they play their own game, fail at it," }, { "start": 316.12, "end": 318.68, "text": " and get up and leave the stage and then stop their press conference." }, { "start": 318.68, "end": 322.32, "text": " And you're like, wait, what just happened?" }, { "start": 322.32, "end": 326.8, "text": " When you see that, well then you haven't lived, brother." }, { "start": 326.8, "end": 332.2, "text": " Chris and I, Chris and I, for the announcement of like the pre-announcement of the Kinect," }, { "start": 332.2, "end": 333.6, "text": " I forget what it even was." }, { "start": 333.6, "end": 342.64000000000004, "text": " We went, is it E3 one year, went to a Coliseum and stood in ponchos." }, { "start": 342.64000000000004, "end": 343.64000000000004, "text": " That was for Kinect, yeah." }, { "start": 343.64000000000004, "end": 345, "text": " We stood in white ponchos." }, { "start": 345, "end": 346, "text": " We stood in white ponchos." }, { "start": 346, "end": 347, "text": " They gave them to you?" }, { "start": 347, "end": 348, "text": " Milling around, waiting." }, { "start": 348, "end": 354, "text": " It was like, if Cirque du Soleil and, um, what was that band that had like, uh." }, { "start": 354, "end": 355, "text": " Fall Out Boy." }, { "start": 355, "end": 356, "text": " Close." }, { "start": 356, "end": 357, "text": " Oh, oh, oh." }, { "start": 357, "end": 358.8, "text": " They did the album, The Black Parade." }, { "start": 358.8, "end": 359.8, "text": " My Chemical Romance." }, { "start": 359.8, "end": 365.16, "text": " No, no, it was a thousand people wearing like all white and they did like choir songs." }, { "start": 365.16, "end": 367.88, "text": " It was, oh, oh, oh, the Polyphonic Spree." }, { "start": 367.88, "end": 368.88, "text": " The Polyphonic Spree." }, { "start": 368.88, "end": 371.40000000000003, "text": " Yeah, we were, and Cirque du Soleil had a fave viewer." }, { 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Movement." }, { "start": 388.68, "end": 391.12, "text": " On the show floor, there is serious product." }, { "start": 391.12, "end": 392.12, "text": " It's weird." }, { "start": 392.12, "end": 393.12, "text": " There is Android tablet." }, { "start": 393.12, "end": 394.12, "text": " No, it's so much." }, { "start": 394.12, "end": 395.12, "text": " You know what is at this show?" }, { "start": 395.12, "end": 398.24, "text": " I actually for a second thought there was a cool Polaroid product." }, { "start": 398.24, "end": 401.32, "text": " First it's one second, then I was like, oh, this is the worst garbage ever." }, { "start": 401.32, "end": 407.04, "text": " Every permutation of an Android tablet and then the same thing being on your TV and then" }, { "start": 407.04, "end": 411.56, "text": " you're controlling with a game pad and a keyboard and a tablet and a phone." }, { "start": 411.56, "end": 412.56, "text": " That's the exciting stuff." }, { "start": 412.56, "end": 413.56, "text": " Every permutation of that stuff is out there." }, { "start": 413.56, "end": 417.44, "text": " I have to say, like I wrote this thing, I keep referencing it, but today I saw it in" }, { "start": 417.44, "end": 422.1, "text": " action, this we have no idea what we're doing with all this technology yet and we're just" }, { "start": 422.1, "end": 423.6, "text": " starting to figure it out." }, { "start": 423.6, "end": 428.52, "text": " They're just starting to go, whoa, we could do, the phone could do this on the TV." }, { "start": 428.52, "end": 429.52, "text": " That's so awesome though." }, { "start": 429.52, "end": 430.52, "text": " What the, what is happening?" }, { "start": 430.52, "end": 431.96, "text": " Here's why it's exciting for me." }, { "start": 431.96, "end": 433.44, "text": " I keep feeling, I'm seeing all these products." }, { "start": 433.44, "end": 436.92, "text": " I saw the Arcos TV today, the Arcos TV Kinect." }, { "start": 436.92, "end": 440.38, "text": " It's a tablet, it's an Android tablet on your TV." }, { "start": 440.38, "end": 442.4, "text": " How do you control an Android tablet on your TV?" }, { "start": 442.4, "end": 445.56, "text": " It's so simple on a tablet and all of a sudden it's like, well that's really hard, but the" }, { "start": 445.56, "end": 447.24, "text": " idea is cool, right?" }, { "start": 447.24, "end": 448.24, "text": " The idea of putting stuff." }, { "start": 448.24, "end": 449.24, "text": " Arcos is not known for like blockbuster." }, { "start": 449.24, "end": 451.56, "text": " Well the Arcos gamepad, did you play with the gamepad though?" }, { "start": 451.56, "end": 453.16, "text": " You're playing really excited about this." }, { "start": 453.16, "end": 457.68, "text": " I wanted us to cover the gamepad so we could just do the headline that we did." }, { "start": 457.68, "end": 458.68, "text": " What is the headline?" }, { "start": 458.68, "end": 462.40000000000003, "text": " Which was, watch out, Project Shield, here comes the Arcos gamepad." }, { "start": 462.40000000000003, "end": 463.40000000000003, "text": " Here's the thing about it." }, { "start": 463.40000000000003, "end": 464.40000000000003, "text": " It looks really bad." }, { "start": 464.40000000000003, "end": 467.28000000000003, "text": " Do you think about, even the Arcos gamepad or the, it's almost the same exact thing" }, { "start": 467.28000000000003, "end": 468.28000000000003, "text": " as the TV." }, { "start": 468.28000000000003, "end": 469.28000000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 469.28000000000003, "end": 470.28000000000003, "text": " It remaps inputs to buttons." }, { "start": 470.28000000000003, "end": 471.28000000000003, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 471.28000000000003, "end": 472.28000000000003, "text": " Like it's very close." }, { "start": 472.28000000000003, "end": 473.28000000000003, "text": " No, it's a simple idea." }, { "start": 473.28000000000003, "end": 474.28000000000003, "text": " Here's the thing, like." }, { "start": 474.28000000000003, "end": 475.28000000000003, "text": " The company that's gonna." }, { "start": 475.28000000000003, "end": 476.28000000000003, "text": " But." }, { "start": 476.28, "end": 477.28, "text": " I'm not an Arcos fan." }, { "start": 477.28, "end": 478.28, "text": " I'm not a crack nut nut." }, { "start": 478.28, "end": 483.71999999999997, "text": " I think Arcos is a good example of like, this is how much technology you've got in just" }, { "start": 483.71999999999997, "end": 486.64, "text": " a dinky little crappy product that's like $160." }, { "start": 486.64, "end": 487.64, "text": " Yep." }, { "start": 487.64, "end": 488.64, "text": " Bingo." }, { "start": 488.64, "end": 489.64, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 489.64, "end": 491.03999999999996, "text": " It has like a PSP style gamepad." }, { "start": 491.03999999999996, "end": 494.88, "text": " You can map buttons to any touch screen game so they don't have to redevelop the games" }, { "start": 494.88, "end": 495.88, "text": " to connect to the gamepad." }, { "start": 495.88, "end": 496.88, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 496.88, "end": 497.88, "text": " So you can map the buttons." }, { "start": 497.88, "end": 499.59999999999997, "text": " But it's like $160 something dollars." }, { "start": 499.59999999999997, "end": 500.59999999999997, "text": " It plays these games." }, { "start": 500.59999999999997, "end": 501.59999999999997, "text": " You know, NVIDIA." }, { "start": 501.59999999999997, "end": 502.59999999999997, "text": " $169." }, { "start": 502.59999999999997, "end": 503.59999999999997, "text": " Oh, I'm sorry." }, { "start": 503.59999999999997, "end": 504.59999999999997, "text": " $169." }, { "start": 504.6, "end": 508.20000000000005, "text": " NVIDIA is, you know, the project shield, which I don't actually know much about at all because" }, { "start": 508.20000000000005, "end": 510.20000000000005, "text": " I haven't seen it." }, { "start": 510.20000000000005, "end": 513.7, "text": " But I'm sure it's gonna be way better graphics stuff, but all that stuff's gonna be locked" }, { "start": 513.7, "end": 515.2, "text": " up in the Tegra zone." }, { "start": 515.2, "end": 516.2, "text": " Right, right." }, { "start": 516.2, "end": 518.24, "text": " I'm very dubious on all these products." }, { "start": 518.24, "end": 519.24, "text": " Here's the thing." }, { "start": 519.24, "end": 521.84, "text": " I think this is the most exciting CES because of all these products." }, { "start": 521.84, "end": 522.84, "text": " But I am." }, { "start": 522.84, "end": 523.84, "text": " No, no, no." }, { "start": 523.84, "end": 525.64, "text": " I would put money on saying that they're all gonna fail." }, { "start": 525.64, "end": 531.08, "text": " No, I would say that we are seeing a lot of things that are not necessarily." }, { "start": 531.08, "end": 532.08, "text": " Experiments." }, { "start": 532.08, "end": 533.08, "text": " Slam dunks." }, { "start": 533.08, "end": 534.2, "text": " They are experiments." }, { "start": 534.2, "end": 538.8000000000001, "text": " Or they're, let's throw it out there and see if somebody likes it or let's just try this" }, { "start": 538.8000000000001, "end": 539.8000000000001, "text": " out." }, { "start": 539.8000000000001, "end": 541.8000000000001, "text": " I play some emulated PlayStation games." }, { "start": 541.8000000000001, "end": 544.6800000000001, "text": " You're gonna say that right here on the..." }, { "start": 544.6800000000001, "end": 545.6800000000001, "text": " You know, that sounds awesome." }, { "start": 545.6800000000001, "end": 546.6800000000001, "text": " I would be into it." }, { "start": 546.6800000000001, "end": 547.6800000000001, "text": " You of course own the physical copies." }, { "start": 547.6800000000001, "end": 548.6800000000001, "text": " I own the physical copies." }, { "start": 548.6800000000001, "end": 549.6800000000001, "text": " Of course." }, { "start": 549.6800000000001, "end": 550.6800000000001, "text": " Of course." }, { "start": 550.6800000000001, "end": 554.72, "text": " I own numerous physical copies of numerous original PlayStation games." }, { "start": 554.72, "end": 555.72, "text": " Here's the thing about it though." }, { "start": 555.72, "end": 558.32, "text": " The way I've been looking at it is at first I saw it as Android, but now with all this" }, { "start": 558.32, "end": 559.88, "text": " Steam box stuff, now Metal Gear Solid." }, { "start": 559.88, "end": 560.88, "text": " Metal Gear Solid 2." }, { "start": 560.88, "end": 561.88, "text": " But now that you've got..." }, { "start": 561.88, "end": 562.88, "text": " Snakes Revenge." }, { "start": 562.88, "end": 565.08, "text": " Is that what it's called?" }, { "start": 565.08, "end": 566.08, "text": " Sons of Liberty." }, { "start": 566.08, "end": 567.08, "text": " Metal Gear Solid 2." }, { "start": 567.08, "end": 568.08, "text": " Oh yeah, that's right." }, { "start": 568.08, "end": 569.08, "text": " Metal Gear Solid 2." }, { "start": 569.08, "end": 574.96, "text": " So for a second I thought it was kiddie and then I went, no, wait a second." }, { "start": 574.96, "end": 575.96, "text": " That's real." }, { "start": 575.96, "end": 577.28, "text": " That's an actual Metal Gear Solid." }, { "start": 577.28, "end": 578.28, "text": " But not canonical." }, { "start": 578.28, "end": 579.28, "text": " See, who am I looking at?" }, { "start": 579.28, "end": 580.28, "text": " Not canonical." }, { "start": 580.28, "end": 581.28, "text": " Anyway." }, { "start": 581.28, "end": 582.28, "text": " You know why?" }, { "start": 582.28, "end": 583.28, "text": " No cannons in it." }, { "start": 583.28, "end": 584.28, "text": " Snake never gets revenge." }, { "start": 584.28, "end": 585.28, "text": " So let's go into the history of it." }, { "start": 585.28, "end": 586.28, "text": " It was actually developed by Konami instead of..." }, { "start": 586.28, "end": 587.28, "text": " Not because of the cannons." }, { "start": 587.28, "end": 593.28, "text": " Not canonical." }, { "start": 593.28, "end": 596.28, "text": " Oh." }, { "start": 596.28, "end": 597.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 597.28, "end": 598.28, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 598.28, "end": 599.28, "text": " Judges say yes." }, { "start": 599.28, "end": 600.28, "text": " You didn't pipe and smoke it." }, { "start": 600.28, "end": 602.4399999999999, "text": " Using people at home..." }, { "start": 602.4399999999999, "end": 604.28, "text": " You are putting it in your pipe and smoke it." }, { "start": 604.28, "end": 606.28, "text": " There's a guy on his couch and I was like, is that what I'm smoking?" }, { "start": 606.28, "end": 607.28, "text": " Put that in your cannon and fire it." }, { "start": 607.28, "end": 608.52, "text": " Put that in your apple and smoke it." }, { "start": 608.52, "end": 610.3199999999999, "text": " This is fresh." }, { "start": 610.3199999999999, "end": 614.9599999999999, "text": " So the point thing is, the interesting thing is that there's this..." }, { "start": 614.9599999999999, "end": 617.22, "text": " At CES here, Consumer Electronics." }, { "start": 617.22, "end": 621.6800000000001, "text": " It's normally terrible for games because games for years have operated outside of the sort" }, { "start": 621.6800000000001, "end": 622.6800000000001, "text": " of..." }, { "start": 622.6800000000001, "end": 623.6800000000001, "text": " I shouldn't say operated." }, { "start": 623.6800000000001, "end": 626.52, "text": " They've been defined outside of the realm of Consumer Electronics." }, { "start": 626.52, "end": 628.36, "text": " Nintendo is the perfect example." }, { "start": 628.36, "end": 633.44, "text": " It's been pushed by console makers, which I don't think of as Consumer Electronics makers." }, { "start": 633.44, "end": 634.44, "text": " They make platforms." }, { "start": 634.44, "end": 635.44, "text": " They maintain them." }, { "start": 635.44, "end": 640.2, "text": " So even when Microsoft was here, they would talk about some Xbox stuff, which usually" }, { "start": 640.2, "end": 641.76, "text": " never happened, IPTV or whatever." }, { "start": 641.76, "end": 646.36, "text": " Sony is here to talk about how PlayStation has great Blu-ray." }, { "start": 646.36, "end": 647.36, "text": " Great content." }, { "start": 647.36, "end": 648.36, "text": " Great content." }, { "start": 648.36, "end": 649.52, "text": " But they don't talk about games." }, { "start": 649.52, "end": 651.52, "text": " They control ecosystems and content." }, { "start": 651.52, "end": 656.16, "text": " But now all of a sudden, when you have software platforms that are open and you can have companies" }, { "start": 656.16, "end": 658.88, "text": " plug into those just by making hardware that works with it." }, { "start": 658.88, "end": 662.5600000000001, "text": " So Android, not the best gaming platform, but the fact that it's open means you can" }, { "start": 662.5600000000001, "end": 669.92, "text": " have Ouya or Game Stick or Green Fowl's Gaming or Project Shield or Arcos TV or I'm probably" }, { "start": 669.92, "end": 671, "text": " forgetting some." }, { "start": 671, "end": 673.2, "text": " There's a ton of things here that are just plugging into Android." }, { "start": 673.2, "end": 676.24, "text": " I don't know if any of them are going to work, but the fact that they're making them..." }, { "start": 676.24, "end": 677.24, "text": " I think it's possible." }, { "start": 677.24, "end": 678.24, "text": " It's really exciting." }, { "start": 678.24, "end": 680.48, "text": " And I think it's also true that it's possible that they can work." }, { "start": 680.48, "end": 685.08, "text": " And Ouya, I don't know, but I think it's possible it could be something special." }, { "start": 685.08, "end": 690.36, "text": " And it could be an alternative or just a completely different experience to what we have now." }, { "start": 690.36, "end": 692.92, "text": " Speaking of, can I segue into..." }, { "start": 692.92, "end": 693.92, "text": " Can I get a segue?" }, { "start": 693.92, "end": 696.84, "text": " There's one outside I'd like to ride it into." }, { "start": 696.84, "end": 702.24, "text": " I do want to say, almost all of these sound like I don't think I want to buy into that" }, { "start": 702.24, "end": 706.6, "text": " because I've got to buy in and go all the way, but I really could actually see myself" }, { "start": 706.6, "end": 707.6, "text": " getting that Arcos." }, { "start": 707.6, "end": 708.6, "text": " I've never thought of..." }, { "start": 708.6, "end": 709.6, "text": " I want to see you get that Arcos." }, { "start": 709.6, "end": 713.64, "text": " Hey guys, what are you doing?" }, { "start": 713.64, "end": 717.76, "text": " I will give you the money to buy the Arcos." }, { "start": 717.76, "end": 722.5600000000001, "text": " And by the way, the way CS works, you folks at home may not know this, but Josh gives" }, { "start": 722.5600000000001, "end": 724.24, "text": " you all sorts of money all the time." }, { "start": 724.24, "end": 728.08, "text": " If you're at CS, I'll give you enough money to buy whatever you want." }, { "start": 728.08, "end": 729.28, "text": " Just kidding." }, { "start": 729.28, "end": 731.08, "text": " Did I need to say just kidding?" }, { "start": 731.08, "end": 732.08, "text": " I don't know anymore." }, { "start": 732.08, "end": 733.08, "text": " Just kidding." }, { "start": 733.08, "end": 734.08, "text": " Just kidding." }, { "start": 734.08, "end": 735.08, "text": " Sometimes people can't..." }, { "start": 735.08, "end": 737.4000000000001, "text": " Sometimes people say, they say, Josh, you're so earnest." }, { "start": 737.4000000000001, "end": 740.08, "text": " You speak so earnestly." }, { "start": 740.08, "end": 741.08, "text": " You're always sharing truth." }, { "start": 741.08, "end": 748.2, "text": " And you're always sharing truth and being laying down truthiness that..." }, { "start": 748.2, "end": 749.2, "text": " Dropping knowledge." }, { "start": 749.2, "end": 752.2, "text": " I don't know when you're being sarcastic." }, { "start": 752.2, "end": 753.64, "text": " Josh has a little card that he holds up." }, { "start": 753.64, "end": 754.64, "text": " Sometimes it says JK." }, { "start": 754.64, "end": 755.64, "text": " So he'll just hold it up." }, { "start": 755.64, "end": 756.6400000000001, "text": " I'm just..." }, { "start": 756.6400000000001, "end": 757.6400000000001, "text": " When I'm talking." }, { "start": 757.6400000000001, "end": 758.6400000000001, "text": " So you won't say it, it'll just say JK." }, { "start": 758.6400000000001, "end": 759.6400000000001, "text": " But..." }, { "start": 759.6400000000001, "end": 760.6400000000001, "text": " What was I going to say?" }, { "start": 760.64, "end": 762.3199999999999, "text": " I was going to buy you the art." }, { "start": 762.3199999999999, "end": 763.3199999999999, "text": " You were going to buy me the art." }, { "start": 763.3199999999999, "end": 766.4, "text": " No, I was going to say, if you guys don't know this at home, that at the end of the" }, { "start": 766.4, "end": 769.92, "text": " show sometimes some of the manufacturers here, usually the ones in the..." }, { "start": 769.92, "end": 770.92, "text": " The international." }, { "start": 770.92, "end": 774.04, "text": " The international wing pavilion where they come back with a bunch of stuff, they'll sell" }, { "start": 774.04, "end": 775.04, "text": " you..." }, { "start": 775.04, "end": 776.04, "text": " Because it's..." }, { "start": 776.04, "end": 777.04, "text": " What's happening?" }, { "start": 777.04, "end": 778.04, "text": " You just go over there." }, { "start": 778.04, "end": 779.04, "text": " They will sell you stuff." }, { "start": 779.04, "end": 780.04, "text": " Because it's so expensive." }, { "start": 780.04, "end": 783.56, "text": " You're like, are you going to take that, the keyboard with the purple keys?" }, { "start": 783.56, "end": 785.3199999999999, "text": " You're not taking that back, are you?" }, { "start": 785.3199999999999, "end": 786.56, "text": " I'll give you $15 for that." }, { "start": 786.56, "end": 791.0799999999999, "text": " Hold on a second, that's a mouse pad, but it's also a foot massager?" }, { "start": 791.0799999999999, "end": 792.0799999999999, "text": " Can I bring that home?" }, { "start": 792.0799999999999, "end": 793.0799999999999, "text": " How much?" }, { "start": 793.0799999999999, "end": 794.0799999999999, "text": " Do you have a second one?" }, { "start": 794.0799999999999, "end": 795.0799999999999, "text": " Do I need one for each foot or is that..." }, { "start": 795.0799999999999, "end": 796.0799999999999, "text": " But in dollars, not yen." }, { "start": 796.0799999999999, "end": 797.0799999999999, "text": " I don't know what the yen is." }, { "start": 797.0799999999999, "end": 798.0799999999999, "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "start": 798.0799999999999, "end": 799.0799999999999, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 799.0799999999999, "end": 800.0799999999999, "text": " But..." }, { "start": 800.0799999999999, "end": 802.0799999999999, "text": " But there are things here that I actually do..." }, { "start": 802.0799999999999, "end": 803.0799999999999, "text": " Have you seen this?" }, { "start": 803.0799999999999, "end": 804.0799999999999, "text": " I do want to buy." }, { "start": 804.0799999999999, "end": 805.0799999999999, "text": " Let me look this up while you're doing this." }, { "start": 805.0799999999999, "end": 807.88, "text": " If you get the CES app, did you guys get the app?" }, { "start": 807.88, "end": 810.88, "text": " It had such bad reviews that I didn't download it." }, { "start": 810.88, "end": 811.88, "text": " If you go through the list of exhibitors..." }, { "start": 811.88, "end": 812.88, "text": " He can't get the app." }, { "start": 812.88, "end": 813.88, "text": " Come on, man." }, { "start": 813.88, "end": 814.88, "text": " Yeah, no, he can't." }, { "start": 814.88, "end": 815.88, "text": " You get the list of exhibitors." }, { "start": 815.88, "end": 818.36, "text": " You can't see it at home." }, { "start": 818.36, "end": 823.96, "text": " Watch what happens when I get to S and I get to Shenzhen." }, { "start": 823.96, "end": 825.96, "text": " Those are all companies that begin with the name Shenzhen." }, { "start": 825.96, "end": 826.96, "text": " Did you see that?" }, { "start": 826.96, "end": 827.96, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 827.96, "end": 831.12, "text": " There's like 200 companies that begin with Shenzhen." }, { "start": 831.12, "end": 832.5, "text": " That's the International Hall." }, { "start": 832.5, "end": 833.5, "text": " It's incredible." }, { "start": 833.5, "end": 834.5, "text": " Anyhow..." }, { "start": 834.5, "end": 835.88, "text": " There's even some Shenzhen's in the Central Hall." }, { "start": 835.88, "end": 836.92, "text": " Yes, they sneak out." }, { "start": 836.92, "end": 837.92, "text": " Some Shenzhen's have..." }, { "start": 837.92, "end": 838.92, "text": " There's a Shenzhen, right?" }, { "start": 838.92, "end": 845.2, "text": " You can run for freedom to them." }, { "start": 845.2, "end": 846.84, "text": " There's a Shenzhen right next to the other one." }, { "start": 846.84, "end": 847.84, "text": " To the Central Hall." }, { "start": 847.84, "end": 848.84, "text": " They've gotten there." }, { "start": 848.84, "end": 853.76, "text": " If anyone's been to E3 for a long time, there was Kensha Hall, which is where you saw all" }, { "start": 853.76, "end": 854.76, "text": " the weird stuff." }, { "start": 854.76, "end": 855.76, "text": " They shut it down eventually." }, { "start": 855.76, "end": 856.76, "text": " What if..." }, { "start": 856.76, "end": 857.76, "text": " It's the new Kensha Hall." }, { "start": 857.76, "end": 858.76, "text": " What if the International Hall..." }, { "start": 858.76, "end": 859.76, "text": " But it's been there for a while." }, { "start": 859.76, "end": 860.76, "text": " It's always been there." }, { "start": 860.76, "end": 864.88, "text": " What if the International Hall was just one big plane of people from China and it lands" }, { "start": 864.88, "end": 867, "text": " and it unfolds and then..." }, { "start": 867, "end": 869.0400000000001, "text": " Like the sides of it crack open and it just goes like that." }, { "start": 869.0400000000001, "end": 870.0400000000001, "text": " It's like a GI joke thing." }, { "start": 870.0400000000001, "end": 871.0400000000001, "text": " It's a wandering exhibit." }, { "start": 871.0400000000001, "end": 873.8000000000001, "text": " And then it folds back up and they fly back to China." }, { "start": 873.8, "end": 877.4799999999999, "text": " I do want to talk about something that is here that I do want to spend money on and" }, { "start": 877.4799999999999, "end": 882.04, "text": " will spend money on, copious amounts, Oculus Rift." }, { "start": 882.04, "end": 883.4799999999999, "text": " I thought we were going to talk about Steam Box." }, { "start": 883.4799999999999, "end": 884.4799999999999, "text": " We were talking about continent." }, { "start": 884.4799999999999, "end": 887.52, "text": " Okay, I'm going to hold on Oculus Rift." }, { "start": 887.52, "end": 889.0799999999999, "text": " Let's talk about Steam Box." }, { "start": 889.0799999999999, "end": 891.64, "text": " But coming up next, Oculus Rift." }, { "start": 891.64, "end": 893.68, "text": " I just want to say this." }, { "start": 893.68, "end": 897.8399999999999, "text": " So the Verge had a rumor a couple of years, like six years ago or something like that." }, { "start": 897.8399999999999, "end": 898.8399999999999, "text": " It was a long time ago." }, { "start": 898.8399999999999, "end": 899.8399999999999, "text": " That was the 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"end": 928, "text": " What is that?" }, { "start": 928, "end": 930, "text": " Do you ever get the same color shirt?" }, { "start": 930, "end": 931, "text": " It's the same color shirt." }, { "start": 931, "end": 932, "text": " Oh, it's a polygon." }, { "start": 932, "end": 933, "text": " It's exact." }, { "start": 933, "end": 934, "text": " Did you coordinate that?" }, { "start": 934, "end": 935, "text": " Maybe." }, { "start": 935, "end": 936, "text": " By the way, by the way, I've asked." }, { "start": 936, "end": 937, "text": " Did you design the shirt?" }, { "start": 937, "end": 939.04, "text": " I've based it on the colors of a shirt you already own." }, { "start": 939.04, "end": 940.04, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 940.04, "end": 942.24, "text": " By the way, I've asked, cannot get a polygon shirt." }, { "start": 942.24, "end": 943.68, "text": " No one will give me one." }, { "start": 943.68, "end": 944.68, "text": " Limited edition." }, { "start": 944.68, "end": 949.6, "text": " Yeah, so limited that your good buddy over here, your co-editor-in-chief." }, { "start": 949.6, "end": 953.16, "text": " Guys, I want to talk to the people, the American people." }, { "start": 953.16, "end": 955.36, "text": " Talk to you guys at home." }, { "start": 955.36, "end": 958.32, "text": " Talk to that camera if you want to talk right to them." }, { "start": 958.32, "end": 959.32, "text": " Right there." }, { "start": 959.32, "end": 961.36, "text": " So we saw the Xi3 yesterday." }, { "start": 961.36, "end": 964.52, "text": " We talked to them, talked to Valve, talked to everybody else." }, { "start": 964.52, "end": 970.04, "text": " It's a prototype development stage unit, one of Valve's multiple hardware partners making" }, { "start": 970.04, "end": 971.04, "text": " a Steam box." }, { "start": 971.04, "end": 975.36, "text": " I went to Valve's booth first thing this morning, literally tracked it down like a bloodhound," }, { "start": 975.36, "end": 976.36, "text": " 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1058.24, "text": " No, he wasn't compromised." }, { "start": 1058.24, "end": 1060.6000000000001, "text": " They literally bolted the bathroom door shut." }, { "start": 1060.6000000000001, "end": 1061.6000000000001, "text": " Can't get out." }, { "start": 1061.6000000000001, "end": 1062.6000000000001, "text": " Here's what happened." }, { "start": 1062.6000000000001, "end": 1066.3200000000002, "text": " We have a huge scary guy that we bring with us." }, { "start": 1066.3200000000002, "end": 1068.72, "text": " We find out when people we want to talk to are-" }, { "start": 1068.72, "end": 1070.64, "text": " We have an intern in each bathroom." }, { "start": 1070.64, "end": 1075.92, "text": " When people are going to the bathroom and then we have this gentleman stand in front" }, { "start": 1075.92, "end": 1080.72, "text": " of the door and we say something along the lines of, I'm not going to quote exactly," }, { "start": 1080.72, "end": 1087.8400000000001, "text": " but something like, you'll never walk again if you don't tell us what we want." }, { "start": 1087.8400000000001, "end": 1088.8400000000001, "text": " Your family-" }, { "start": 1088.8400000000001, "end": 1092.2, "text": " There's no soap in the soap dispensers, but we brought hand sanitizer." }, { "start": 1092.2, "end": 1099.2, "text": " We'll list the names of their loved ones and not say anything that we're going to do to" }, { "start": 1099.2, "end": 1100.2, "text": " them." }, { "start": 1100.2, "end": 1104.48, "text": " Not say anything we're going to do to them, but intimate that something bad could happen." }, { "start": 1104.48, "end": 1107.28, "text": " And you also put an out of order." }, { "start": 1107.28, "end": 1109.28, "text": " Then I held up my JK card." }, { "start": 1109.28, "end": 1110.28, "text": " So they see it." }, { "start": 1110.28, "end": 1111.28, "text": " No, but-" }, { "start": 1111.28, "end": 1112.28, "text": " So what happened?" }, { "start": 1112.28, "end": 1113.28, "text": " I don't know what happened." }, { "start": 1113.28, "end": 1114.28, "text": " I literally know what happened." }, { "start": 1114.28, "end": 1115.28, "text": " Go ahead." }, { "start": 1115.28, "end": 1116.28, "text": " Finish your story." }, { "start": 1116.28, "end": 1120.64, "text": " Either way, so the point being is we were trying to get the follow up work on the Steam" }, { "start": 1120.64, "end": 1126.24, "text": " Box story and the version of getting a killer, massive breakdown." }, { "start": 1126.24, "end": 1127.24, "text": " And Gabe's dropping details." }, { "start": 1127.24, "end": 1129.64, "text": " He's just like, oh, this is how it's going to work." }, { "start": 1129.64, "end": 1132, "text": " This thing that they haven't confirmed before." }, { "start": 1132, "end": 1133, "text": " Maybe he's a head fake." }, { "start": 1133, "end": 1134, "text": " He could have just been lying." }, { "start": 1134, "end": 1138.0800000000002, "text": " This thing that at the same time they publish theirs, there's other outlets that are publishing" }, { "start": 1138.0800000000002, "end": 1139.3600000000001, "text": " that none of this stuff is true." }, { "start": 1139.3600000000001, "end": 1141, "text": " And Gabe's like, oh, it's not." }, { "start": 1141, "end": 1142.5200000000002, "text": " But here's basically the details." }, { "start": 1142.5200000000002, "end": 1143.5200000000002, "text": " Like specifically." }, { "start": 1143.5200000000002, "end": 1145.1200000000001, "text": " What are the details?" }, { "start": 1145.1200000000001, "end": 1146.3600000000001, "text": " What's happening with Steam Box?" }, { "start": 1146.3600000000001, "end": 1147.3600000000001, "text": " Oh, other outlets." }, { "start": 1147.3600000000001, "end": 1148.3600000000001, "text": " There's some cool stuff." }, { "start": 1148.3600000000001, "end": 1149.3600000000001, "text": " Here's like one of the great-" }, { "start": 1149.3600000000001, "end": 1151.2800000000002, "text": " So number one, he confirmed that they're-" }, { "start": 1151.2800000000002, "end": 1155.3200000000002, "text": " So the idea of the Steam Box, it's a press chosen moniker." }, { "start": 1155.3200000000002, "end": 1157.2, "text": " They've never used that term before." }, { "start": 1157.2, "end": 1159.24, "text": " So even as a Steam Box, the idea could be that-" }, { "start": 1159.24, "end": 1160.24, "text": " Where did that come from?" }, { "start": 1160.24, "end": 1161.24, "text": " Steam Box?" }, { "start": 1161.24, "end": 1162.24, "text": " I think that came from a-" }, { "start": 1162.24, "end": 1163.24, "text": " Wasn't from, was it from us?" }, { "start": 1163.24, "end": 1164.24, "text": " I think it was from you." }, { "start": 1164.24, "end": 1166.4, "text": " Might have been." }, { "start": 1166.4, "end": 1171.4, "text": " I think that that was part of the original piece of information." }, { "start": 1171.4, "end": 1172.4, "text": " Data." }, { "start": 1172.4, "end": 1174.68, "text": " Here's the thing." }, { "start": 1174.68, "end": 1178.6, "text": " So they'd never talked about the specificity of Steam Box and they had talked as early" }, { "start": 1178.6, "end": 1184.24, "text": " as last night or this morning about multiple kind of Steam Boxes, multiple hardware partners" }, { "start": 1184.24, "end": 1189.92, "text": " making devices that would be compatible or optimized for Steam Big Picture." }, { "start": 1189.92, "end": 1194, "text": " But today Gabe was like, yeah, we're going to make our own and ship it ourselves." }, { "start": 1194, "end": 1195.92, "text": " So crazy." }, { "start": 1195.92, "end": 1197.32, "text": " No equivocation." }, { "start": 1197.32, "end": 1199.24, "text": " Just straight up, we're making our own device." }, { "start": 1199.24, "end": 1200.84, "text": " He's just getting tired of-" }, { "start": 1200.84, "end": 1202.6, "text": " He's supposed to be so tired of saying no." }, { 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}, { "start": 1335.76, "end": 1341.5600000000002, "text": " That they thought that PC manufacturers were going to be making PCs that were quiet, that" }, { "start": 1341.5600000000002, "end": 1343.2, "text": " looked good in the living room." }, { "start": 1343.2, "end": 1349.6000000000001, "text": " Wasn't there a rumor that somebody was making..." }, { "start": 1349.6000000000001, "end": 1350.6000000000001, "text": " We talked about this." }, { "start": 1350.6000000000001, "end": 1351.6000000000001, "text": " Alienware made the X-50." }, { "start": 1351.6000000000001, "end": 1356.88, "text": " It was the Alienware box that you were basically like yeah that's the chassis in essence." }, { "start": 1356.88, "end": 1361.96, "text": " But what's funny is coming back to that point you were making about the Android stuff and" }, { "start": 1361.96, "end": 1362.96, "text": " the..." }, { "start": 1362.96, "end": 1368.2, "text": " Michael, do we have a refill of beer for this guy or is that possible?" }, { "start": 1368.2, "end": 1371.0400000000002, "text": " I mean anybody here could get to Tyler's here." }, { "start": 1371.0400000000002, "end": 1372.0400000000002, "text": " He could do it." }, { "start": 1372.0400000000002, "end": 1373.0400000000002, "text": " Michael, you don't have to go." }, { "start": 1373.0400000000002, "end": 1374.0400000000002, "text": " Let Tyler go." }, { "start": 1374.0400000000002, "end": 1375.0400000000002, "text": " Let Tyler." }, { "start": 1375.0400000000002, "end": 1376.0400000000002, "text": " I went to college." }, { "start": 1376.0400000000002, "end": 1377.0400000000002, "text": " You wanted the screen time." }, { "start": 1377.0400000000002, "end": 1378.0400000000002, "text": " You know we have to pay him extra." }, { "start": 1378.0400000000002, "end": 1381.0400000000002, "text": " Now we have to pay him a couple hundred bucks." }, { "start": 1381.0400000000002, "end": 1384.2, "text": " He's also now in the screen actor's cut." }, { "start": 1384.2, "end": 1387.28, "text": " But it's funny to come around to what you were just saying about all these things with" }, { "start": 1387.28, "end": 1391.44, "text": " Android and the idea that you could build a TV and oh yeah you have this gaming built" }, { "start": 1391.44, "end": 1392.44, "text": " into the TV." }, { "start": 1392.44, "end": 1397.64, "text": " I was just thinking yeah how come nobody ever made a really high powered PC with a TV on" }, { "start": 1397.64, "end": 1398.64, "text": " it?" }, { "start": 1398.64, "end": 1403.48, "text": " And it was like we have a mode you can go into and play games and you can watch whatever." }, { "start": 1403.48, "end": 1406.8400000000001, "text": " The interesting thing is they're looking at it from a different system." }, { "start": 1406.8400000000001, "end": 1408.8400000000001, "text": " You could go into a..." }, { "start": 1408.8400000000001, "end": 1411.04, "text": " What's the Apple mode called when you go into the..." }, { "start": 1411.04, "end": 1412.04, "text": " You don't want a PC..." }, { "start": 1412.04, "end": 1413.04, "text": " Why am I doing this?" }, { "start": 1413.04, "end": 1414.52, "text": " You don't want a PC type..." }, { "start": 1414.52, "end": 1416.3999999999999, "text": " So here's the thing." }, { "start": 1416.3999999999999, "end": 1421.52, "text": " We're seeing all these devices that are shipping video up to TV from any other device." }, { "start": 1421.52, "end": 1423.92, "text": " Why wouldn't you just ship video from your PC?" }, { "start": 1423.92, "end": 1429.18, "text": " But no I'm saying when you talk about that it's like oh yeah PCs just abandoned the living" }, { "start": 1429.18, "end": 1430.18, "text": " room altogether." }, { "start": 1430.18, "end": 1432.1599999999999, "text": " They said we don't want..." }, { "start": 1432.1599999999999, "end": 1433.1599999999999, "text": " That's not where we go." }, { "start": 1433.1599999999999, "end": 1434.54, "text": " There's a couple big reasons why." }, { "start": 1434.54, "end": 1436.08, "text": " And I think it's not..." }, { "start": 1436.08, "end": 1437.76, "text": " You don't have to look far." }, { "start": 1437.76, "end": 1442, "text": " The most predominant operating system on the market is Windows." }, { "start": 1442, "end": 1445.08, "text": " What was Microsoft's play 11 years ago?" }, { "start": 1445.08, "end": 1446.8, "text": " Windows Media said." }, { "start": 1446.8, "end": 1447.8, "text": " Xbox." }, { "start": 1447.8, "end": 1449.48, "text": " That was their living room play." }, { "start": 1449.48, "end": 1453.72, "text": " They literally made a device that didn't run on Windows as complicated as that was to sell" }, { "start": 1453.72, "end": 1457.12, "text": " internally in the Microsoft bureaucracy in 2001." }, { "start": 1457.12, "end": 1462.76, "text": " It was even harder in 2005 or before when they shipped Xbox 360." }, { "start": 1462.76, "end": 1463.76, "text": " They tasty." }, { "start": 1463.76, "end": 1465.76, "text": " I hope it's not Blue Moon again, Michael." }, { "start": 1465.76, "end": 1466.76, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 1466.76, "end": 1467.76, "text": " No, it's different." }, { "start": 1467.76, "end": 1468.76, "text": " I'll be disappointed." }, { "start": 1468.76, "end": 1469.76, "text": " You can see it's not Blue Moon." }, { "start": 1469.76, "end": 1471.96, "text": " What kind of beer expert are you?" }, { "start": 1471.96, "end": 1472.96, "text": " But I know that's not Blue Moon." }, { "start": 1472.96, "end": 1473.96, "text": " Is this Corona?" }, { "start": 1473.96, "end": 1474.96, "text": " It's all that was left." }, { "start": 1474.96, "end": 1475.96, "text": " I'm sorry in advance." }, { "start": 1475.96, "end": 1476.96, "text": " It's Corona." }, { "start": 1476.96, "end": 1477.96, "text": " Wow." }, { "start": 1477.96, "end": 1478.96, "text": " You were complaining about Blue Moon." }, { "start": 1478.96, "end": 1479.96, "text": " Savages drink all the fat tires." }, { "start": 1479.96, "end": 1480.96, "text": " Oh man." }, { "start": 1480.96, "end": 1481.96, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1481.96, "end": 1482.96, "text": " Anyway." }, { "start": 1482.96, "end": 1484.96, "text": " Microsoft made this play for Xbox." }, { "start": 1484.96, "end": 1485.96, "text": " Windows, they never had an interest." }, { "start": 1485.96, "end": 1486.96, "text": " They had Media Center." }, { "start": 1486.96, "end": 1490.76, "text": " Media Center did some things but didn't really do a lot of things well." }, { "start": 1490.76, "end": 1494.52, "text": " The idea though was that there was these three components." }, { "start": 1494.52, "end": 1495.52, "text": " One was the hardware." }, { "start": 1495.52, "end": 1496.52, "text": " One was the operating system." }, { "start": 1496.52, "end": 1500.16, "text": " The other was an actual game-centric platform on that device." }, { "start": 1500.16, "end": 1502.4, "text": " Steam said we can take care of the game-centric platform." }, { "start": 1502.4, "end": 1503.4, "text": " We can do that." }, { "start": 1503.4, "end": 1504.8200000000002, "text": " That's on us." }, { "start": 1504.8200000000002, "end": 1507.68, "text": " The hardware, we're really surprised that hardware manufacturers haven't looked at the" }, { "start": 1507.68, "end": 1511, "text": " success of PlayStation and Xbox and thought, we should do that." }, { "start": 1511, "end": 1512, "text": " Well, I get that." }, { "start": 1512, "end": 1515.16, "text": " They have to build all that stuff around it because every hardware manufacturer doesn't" }, { "start": 1515.16, "end": 1519.24, "text": " have what Steam has, which is a vibrant, thriving ecosystem-" }, { "start": 1519.24, "end": 1520.24, "text": " Yeah, 50 million users buying those games." }, { "start": 1520.24, "end": 1524.96, "text": "... with people who love to play games online in their 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"end": 1555, "text": " Even with Big Picture, when you leave Big Picture on your TV, it's like you're back" }, { "start": 1555, "end": 1557.72, "text": " to the desktop and you've got your gamepad in your hand." }, { "start": 1557.72, "end": 1558.72, "text": " It's like, now what?" }, { "start": 1558.72, "end": 1559.72, "text": " Yeah, right." }, { "start": 1559.72, "end": 1561.16, "text": " The Cougars had a couple of choices." }, { "start": 1561.16, "end": 1566.48, "text": " Their choices were to reformat almost the operating system, maybe even under the Steam" }, { "start": 1566.48, "end": 1568.44, "text": " umbrella to work." }, { "start": 1568.44, "end": 1572.04, "text": " You still have full operating system, file system access, all that stuff-" }, { "start": 1572.04, "end": 1573.04, "text": " Just like for a TV." }, { "start": 1573.04, "end": 1576.08, "text": "... but it's friendly for a TV, or get rid of all of it." }, { "start": 1576.08, "end": 1579.08, "text": " You just boot right into Steam." }, { "start": 1579.08, "end": 1584.16, "text": " You're saying that the Linux titles, if you're not going to get first run games, you're not" }, { "start": 1584.16, "end": 1585.56, "text": " going to get the best of Steam." }, { "start": 1585.56, "end": 1589.4, "text": " Valve will be making all of its titles first run for Linux on day one going forward." }, { "start": 1589.4, "end": 1592.4, "text": " Which aren't wildly popular." }, { "start": 1592.4, "end": 1596.52, "text": " If it only played Valve games, you wouldn't be doing that." }, { "start": 1596.52, "end": 1600.0400000000002, "text": " I would be pretty psyched about it, personally." }, { "start": 1600.0400000000002, "end": 1602.1200000000001, "text": " That's not a bad place to start from." }, { "start": 1602.1200000000001, "end": 1603.4, "text": " You can put Windows on if you want." }, { "start": 1603.4, "end": 1605.6000000000001, "text": " I think that there will be other Steam boxes." }, { "start": 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keyboard?" }, { "start": 1643.04, "end": 1645.6, "text": " I asked Kumer about a mouse and keyboard." }, { "start": 1645.6, "end": 1651.32, "text": " Mouse and keyboard is really tricky because there is yet to be a good couch version of" }, { "start": 1651.32, "end": 1652.32, "text": " that." }, { "start": 1652.32, "end": 1653.32, "text": " Portal is great with joysticks." }, { "start": 1653.32, "end": 1660.76, "text": " I actually think you're not thinking big enough." }, { "start": 1660.76, "end": 1665.8, "text": " We know that Valve has been experimenting with tons of modular controllers and all kinds" }, { "start": 1665.8, "end": 1667.6, "text": " of haptic stuff." }, { "start": 1667.6, "end": 1671.56, "text": " Gabe mentioned gaze tracking." }, { "start": 1671.56, "end": 1675.1999999999998, "text": " This really dovetails nicely into where I'm going." }, { "start": 1675.2, "end": 1679.88, "text": " This really does right to where I'm headed." }, { "start": 1679.88, "end": 1684.92, "text": " If you look at the Wii U and you look at Kinect and you look at what Sony has done with some" }, { "start": 1684.92, "end": 1687.92, "text": " motion gaming stuff, they haven't really pushed it." }, { "start": 1687.92, "end": 1688.92, "text": " Sony's technology is incredible." }, { "start": 1688.92, "end": 1689.92, "text": " It's really good." }, { "start": 1689.92, "end": 1690.92, "text": " It's amazing." }, { "start": 1690.92, "end": 1691.92, "text": " If I could get-" }, { "start": 1691.92, "end": 1692.92, "text": " Their applications are not-" }, { "start": 1692.92, "end": 1693.92, "text": " They deliver the software." }, { "start": 1693.92, "end": 1696.88, "text": " They didn't play Half-Life 3 with the Move controller on my Steam box?" }, { "start": 1696.88, "end": 1698.76, "text": " I'm saying if you start to think about-" }, { "start": 1698.76, "end": 1699.76, "text": " You had it." }, { "start": 1699.76, "end": 1701.3600000000001, "text": " The Oculus Rift, which we're going to talk about in a second, you start to think about" }, { "start": 1701.3600000000001, "end": 1703.4, "text": " all of these with that tracking." }, { "start": 1703.4, "end": 1704.4, "text": " You didn't use it." }, { "start": 1704.4, "end": 1705.4, "text": " Oh, you did." }, { "start": 1705.4, "end": 1706.4, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1706.4, "end": 1707.4, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1707.4, "end": 1708.4, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1708.4, "end": 1709.4, "text": " The game was being streamed from the internet." }, { "start": 1709.4, "end": 1710.4, "text": " No, it wasn't." }, { "start": 1710.4, "end": 1711.4, "text": " It's okay." }, { "start": 1711.4, "end": 1712.4, "text": " You're still safe." }, { "start": 1712.4, "end": 1716.0400000000002, "text": " I think you start to see a really interesting picture of what-" }, { "start": 1716.0400000000002, "end": 1717.1200000000001, "text": " I mean, they have." }, { "start": 1717.1200000000001, "end": 1718.1200000000001, "text": " We have." }, { "start": 1718.1200000000001, "end": 1719.1200000000001, "text": " This is part of our-" }, { "start": 1719.1200000000001, "end": 1724.4, "text": " When we first ran the Steam box rumor, the story was that the modular-" }, { "start": 1724.4, "end": 1727.3200000000002, "text": " It all starts to make sense when you think about what they're doing." }, { "start": 1727.3200000000002, "end": 1732.76, "text": " Big picture mode and the controller stuff and their desire to at least create some sort" }, { "start": 1732.76, "end": 1736.16, "text": " of reference design or work with partners on building this standalone-" }, { "start": 1736.16, "end": 1737.16, "text": " It's exciting." }, { "start": 1737.16, "end": 1738.16, "text": " That makes a Steam box-" }, { "start": 1738.16, "end": 1739.16, "text": " I actually think-" }, { "start": 1739.16, "end": 1741.52, "text": " By the way, if you've got Ouya or the Steam box-" }, { "start": 1741.52, "end": 1742.52, "text": " I want both." }, { "start": 1742.52, "end": 1743.52, "text": " Well, you can have both." }, { "start": 1743.52, "end": 1744.52, "text": " The Ouya is only 99 bucks." }, { "start": 1744.52, "end": 1745.52, "text": " It's 100 bucks." }, { "start": 1745.52, "end": 1746.52, "text": " Just go get it." }, { "start": 1746.52, "end": 1747.52, "text": " I already got mine." }, { "start": 1747.52, "end": 1748.52, "text": " I'm just waiting for it to be delivered." }, { "start": 1748.52, "end": 1749.52, "text": " It's 100 bucks." }, { "start": 1749.52, "end": 1750.52, "text": " You didn't know that?" }, { "start": 1750.52, "end": 1751.52, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1751.52, "end": 1752.52, "text": " It's $100 with one controller." }, { "start": 1752.52, "end": 1753.52, "text": " I've been told that the game pad was made of steel." }, { "start": 1753.52, "end": 1754.52, "text": " Here's what's exciting about this." }, { "start": 1754.52, "end": 1758.08, "text": " What's exciting about this is we're seeing AAA gaming struggle with its entire business" }, { "start": 1758.08, "end": 1759.08, "text": " model." }, { "start": 1759.08, "end": 1760.08, "text": " It's literally struggling." }, { "start": 1760.08, "end": 1762.32, "text": " We're seeing independent gaming take off." }, { "start": 1762.32, "end": 1768.36, "text": " If only we had more markets, more devices where they could actually monetize those games." }, { "start": 1768.36, "end": 1769.36, "text": " We have iOS and iPad." }, { "start": 1769.36, "end": 1770.36, "text": " Those are great." }, { "start": 1770.36, "end": 1775.04, "text": " They're making independent development a real future, but for certain kinds of games." }, { "start": 1775.04, "end": 1776.04, "text": " You know what I want?" }, { "start": 1776.04, "end": 1777.04, "text": " Just think-" }, { "start": 1777.04, "end": 1778.04, "text": " Hold on." }, { "start": 1778.04, "end": 1779.04, "text": " Can I just say something?" }, { "start": 1779.04, "end": 1782.6, "text": " This has not happened yet, but it just occurred to me." }, { "start": 1782.6, "end": 1789.08, "text": " If you've got a system like Ouya or Steam box, Steam box less so here, but Ouya raises-" }, { "start": 1789.08, "end": 1790.08, "text": " Steam box will be pricey." }, { "start": 1790.08, "end": 1796.84, "text": " It will be pricey, but let's say Ouya, for instance, or if you had decent, I'd say good" }, { "start": 1796.84, "end": 1801.36, "text": " home gaming experiences and it was built on the Android platform." }, { "start": 1801.36, "end": 1807.3999999999999, "text": " I think there are some really interesting ideas, some off-screen gaming experiences." }, { "start": 1807.3999999999999, "end": 1811.8, "text": " Imagine you were playing a role-playing game and there was something you had a, I don't" }, { "start": 1811.8, "end": 1813.8, "text": " know, let's say you could get a farm or something." }, { "start": 1813.8, "end": 1816, "text": " Can you do farming in Fable?" }, { "start": 1816, "end": 1817, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1817, "end": 1818, "text": " You have a house." }, { "start": 1818, "end": 1819, "text": " You build your house." }, { "start": 1819, "end": 1820, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1820, "end": 1821, "text": " You build your house." }, { "start": 1821, "end": 1822, "text": " You can do things just to do certain times." }, { "start": 1822, "end": 1826.8, "text": " If you're not gaming at a certain time of day, you get an alert on your Android device" }, { "start": 1826.8, "end": 1832.6, "text": " and you open, but not necessarily the game, but an app that is talking to that game and" }, { "start": 1832.6, "end": 1833.6, "text": " you're doing-" }, { "start": 1833.6, "end": 1834.6, "text": " Could be the game though." }, { "start": 1834.6, "end": 1838.84, "text": " It could be the game itself and you're tending to some part of the game specifically to do" }, { "start": 1838.84, "end": 1842.52, "text": " something or to respond to something that's happening for a timed interval." }, { "start": 1842.52, "end": 1843.52, "text": " Then when you go back that has-" }, { "start": 1843.52, "end": 1844.52, "text": " You can Google-" }, { "start": 1844.52, "end": 1845.52, "text": " That persistent." }, { "start": 1845.52, "end": 1849.24, "text": " No, but I just think that there's a huge, that's just one little weird, errant thought" }, { "start": 1849.24, "end": 1850.24, "text": " that I had." }, { "start": 1850.24, "end": 1851.24, "text": " I just think the idea of this suddenly-" }, { "start": 1851.24, "end": 1852.24, "text": " The developer is Josh Topolsky." }, { "start": 1852.24, "end": 1853.24, "text": " It's copyright." }, { "start": 1853.24, "end": 1854.24, "text": " Copyright 2013." }, { "start": 1854.24, "end": 1855.24, "text": " Don't use that." }, { "start": 1855.24, "end": 1856.24, "text": " You're going to get farming in your RPG." }, { "start": 1856.24, "end": 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1963.1200000000001, "end": 1964.1200000000001, "text": " Gen M." }, { "start": 1964.12, "end": 1970.04, "text": " My favorite thing at the Samsung press conference is these testimonials that are totally scripted" }, { "start": 1970.04, "end": 1971.28, "text": " in their video testimonials." }, { "start": 1971.28, "end": 1974, "text": " I'm generation, I'm born mobile." }, { "start": 1974, "end": 1979, "text": " Was it really possible to have a refrigerator, a refrigerator, a refrigerator?" }, { "start": 1979, "end": 1980, "text": " A refrigirator?" }, { "start": 1980, "end": 1986.3999999999999, "text": " Was it really possible to have a refrigerator that brings a family closer together?" }, { "start": 1986.3999999999999, "end": 1987.3999999999999, "text": " Yeah, right." }, { "start": 1987.3999999999999, "end": 1988.3999999999999, "text": " Is it?" }, { "start": 1988.3999999999999, "end": 1989.3999999999999, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 1989.3999999999999, "end": 1990.3999999999999, "text": " Here's the note." }, { "start": 1990.3999999999999, "end": 1991.3999999999999, "text": " I don't want to ever find out." }, { "start": 1991.3999999999999, "end": 1992.3999999999999, "text": " Do you know what I'm gonna say?" }, { "start": 1992.3999999999999, "end": 1993.3999999999999, "text": " Let's go here." }, { "start": 1993.4, "end": 1994.88, "text": " Talk to your grandparents." }, { "start": 1994.88, "end": 1996.96, "text": " Every refrigerator ever since then has brought a family closer together." }, { "start": 1996.96, "end": 1997.96, "text": " That's right." }, { "start": 1997.96, "end": 1998.96, "text": " By definition." }, { "start": 1998.96, "end": 1999.96, "text": " They gotta get in there to eat." }, { "start": 1999.96, "end": 2000.96, "text": " And you make dinner with each other." }, { "start": 2000.96, "end": 2003.64, "text": " You're like, grandma, can you pass me the mayonnaise?" }, { "start": 2003.64, "end": 2004.64, "text": " I need it, I'm making a sandwich." }, { "start": 2004.64, "end": 2005.64, "text": " Boom." }, { "start": 2005.64, "end": 2006.64, "text": " No, hold on." }, { "start": 2006.64, "end": 2007.64, "text": " Hold on, Josh." }, { "start": 2007.64, "end": 2009.92, "text": " I have to go get the ice box out back because we don't have a refrigerator." }, { "start": 2009.92, "end": 2010.92, "text": " Hold on." }, { "start": 2010.92, "end": 2014.0800000000002, "text": " I, we're actually living in a cave and we don't have a refrigerator." }, { "start": 2014.0800000000002, "end": 2016.52, "text": " I'm going to salt these meats because we don't have a refrigerator." }, { "start": 2016.52, "end": 2017.52, "text": " Hold on." }, { "start": 2017.52, "end": 2022.3200000000002, "text": " I have to go to this stream where we've kept our food cold and fish it out from our secret" }, { "start": 2022.32, "end": 2023.32, "text": " hiding place." }, { "start": 2023.32, "end": 2024.32, "text": " This is before time and space exist." }, { "start": 2024.32, "end": 2026.32, "text": " It's cold and hot." }, { "start": 2026.32, "end": 2031.4399999999998, "text": " Excuse me, I can't do that because I have no limbs because I'm a single cell amoeba" }, { "start": 2031.4399999999998, "end": 2032.4399999999998, "text": " floating in the ocean." }, { "start": 2032.4399999999998, "end": 2036.76, "text": " Also, I live in a vacuum because the universe hasn't been created." }, { "start": 2036.76, "end": 2037.76, "text": " So whatever." }, { "start": 2037.76, "end": 2038.76, "text": " So you know what?" }, { "start": 2038.76, "end": 2039.76, "text": " Think about it." }, { "start": 2039.76, "end": 2040.76, "text": " You know what, Samsung?" }, { "start": 2040.76, "end": 2041.76, "text": " Guys, look." }, { "start": 2041.76, "end": 2042.76, "text": " Yes, a refrigerator can bring a family together." }, { "start": 2042.76, "end": 2043.76, "text": " They, long enough timeline, Sam." }, { "start": 2043.76, "end": 2044.76, "text": " Just think about it." }, { "start": 2044.76, "end": 2045.76, "text": " Can we talk about the Oculus Rift?" }, { "start": 2045.76, "end": 2046.76, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 2046.76, "end": 2047.76, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 2047.76, "end": 2048.7599999999998, "text": " Oculus Rift." }, { "start": 2048.7599999999998, "end": 2049.7599999999998, "text": " Oculus." }, { "start": 2049.7599999999998, "end": 2050.7599999999998, "text": " Rift." }, { "start": 2050.7599999999998, "end": 2051.7599999999998, "text": " When I say Oculus, I mean Oculus." }, { "start": 2051.76, "end": 2052.76, "text": " When I say Oculus, you say Rift." }, { "start": 2052.76, "end": 2053.76, "text": " Oculus." }, { "start": 2053.76, "end": 2054.76, "text": " Rift." }, { "start": 2054.76, "end": 2055.76, "text": " Oculus." }, { "start": 2055.76, "end": 2056.76, "text": " Rift." }, { "start": 2056.76, "end": 2057.76, "text": " So how about this?" }, { "start": 2057.76, "end": 2058.76, "text": " Think about it." }, { "start": 2058.76, "end": 2059.76, "text": " Who here has seen Strange Days?" }, { "start": 2059.76, "end": 2060.76, "text": " Oculus." }, { "start": 2060.76, "end": 2061.76, "text": " Rift." }, { "start": 2061.76, "end": 2062.76, "text": " Oculus." }, { "start": 2062.76, "end": 2063.76, "text": " Rift." }, { "start": 2063.76, "end": 2065.36, "text": " If you guys are at home watching, if you've seen Strange Days, raise your hand." }, { "start": 2065.36, "end": 2066.36, "text": " We'll give you a minute." }, { "start": 2066.36, "end": 2067.36, "text": " I've seen Strange Days." }, { "start": 2067.36, "end": 2068.36, "text": " Oh wait, I'm not watching at home." }, { "start": 2068.36, "end": 2069.36, "text": " But I've seen it." }, { "start": 2069.36, "end": 2070.36, "text": " It's not bad." }, { "start": 2070.36, "end": 2071.36, "text": " Kathryn Bigelow." }, { "start": 2071.36, "end": 2072.36, "text": " Kathryn Bigelow, yeah." }, { "start": 2072.36, "end": 2073.36, "text": " I wrote my college thesis on VR movies." }, { "start": 2073.36, "end": 2074.36, "text": " Acclaimed." }, { "start": 2074.36, "end": 2075.36, "text": " Acclaimed." }, { "start": 2075.36, "end": 2076.36, "text": " Well, not yet." }, { "start": 2076.36, "end": 2077.36, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 2077.36, "end": 2078.36, "text": " Existence." }, { "start": 2078.36, "end": 2079.36, "text": " VR movies." }, { "start": 2079.36, "end": 2080.36, "text": " Movies that have virtual reality." }, { "start": 2080.36, "end": 2081.36, "text": " Existence." }, { "start": 2081.36, "end": 2082.36, "text": " Movies that have virtual reality." }, { "start": 2082.36, "end": 2083.36, "text": " I'm talking about video games that were made." }, { "start": 2083.36, "end": 2084.36, "text": " I watched half of that." }, { "start": 2084.36, "end": 2085.36, "text": " It might also be Kronenberg's best movie." }, { "start": 2085.36, "end": 2086.36, "text": " One of them." }, { "start": 2086.36, "end": 2087.36, "text": " One of them." }, { "start": 2087.36, "end": 2088.36, "text": " I actually like it." }, { "start": 2088.36, "end": 2089.36, "text": " It's a surprise to that movie." }, { "start": 2089.36, "end": 2090.36, "text": " I like it." }, { "start": 2090.36, "end": 2091.36, "text": " Jude Law." }, { "start": 2091.36, "end": 2092.36, "text": " I love Jude Law." }, { "start": 2092.36, "end": 2093.36, "text": " So, it's great." }, { "start": 2093.36, "end": 2094.36, "text": " Do I need to try to watch that again?" }, { "start": 2094.36, "end": 2095.36, "text": " Yes, you should watch it again." }, { "start": 2095.36, "end": 2096.36, "text": " Absolutely." }, { "start": 2096.36, "end": 2097.36, "text": " It's just not good for me." }, { "start": 2097.36, "end": 2098.36, "text": " Well, you're wrong." }, { "start": 2098.36, "end": 2099.36, "text": " So, here's the thing though." }, { "start": 2099.36, "end": 2100.36, "text": " Strange Days." }, { "start": 2100.36, "end": 2101.36, "text": " It's Oculus." }, { "start": 2101.36, "end": 2102.36, "text": " Rift." }, { "start": 2102.36, "end": 2103.36, "text": " I foresee a future." }, { "start": 2103.36, "end": 2104.36, "text": " Dystopian." }, { "start": 2104.36, "end": 2105.36, "text": " Utopian." }, { "start": 2105.36, "end": 2106.36, "text": " You tell me." }, { "start": 2106.36, "end": 2107.36, "text": " I'm not going to prescribe this." }, { "start": 2107.36, "end": 2108.36, "text": " Flip of the coin." }, { "start": 2108.36, "end": 2109.36, "text": " No one knows." }, { "start": 2109.36, "end": 2112.1600000000003, "text": " I'm going to get my slobs hooked up to catheters." }, { "start": 2112.1600000000003, "end": 2115.36, "text": " Or they've invented a pill that makes us skinny and healthy." }, { "start": 2115.36, "end": 2117.36, "text": " Basically, it's a drug." }, { "start": 2117.36, "end": 2118.6, "text": " And we take it as a drug." }, { "start": 2118.6, "end": 2120.36, "text": " Can we talk about this for a second?" }, { "start": 2120.36, "end": 2122.36, "text": " Can we talk about our experience?" }, { "start": 2122.36, "end": 2125.36, "text": " Are you talking about taking entertainment as a drug?" }, { "start": 2125.36, "end": 2126.36, "text": " No, no, no." }, { "start": 2126.36, "end": 2127.36, "text": " They're talking the movie Strange Days." }, { "start": 2127.36, "end": 2128.36, "text": " The drug is..." }, { "start": 2128.36, "end": 2129.36, "text": " He's talking about Strange Days." }, { "start": 2129.36, "end": 2130.36, "text": " The drug is the entertainment." }, { "start": 2130.36, "end": 2133.36, "text": " We're talking about Oculus Rift, which is a device." }, { "start": 2133.36, "end": 2134.36, "text": " It's the same thing." }, { "start": 2134.36, "end": 2135.36, "text": " Guys." }, { "start": 2135.36, "end": 2142.36, "text": " The Oculus Rift is a virtual reality, a fully immersive..." }, { "start": 2142.36, "end": 2143.36, "text": " You know this." }, { "start": 2143.36, "end": 2144.36, "text": " You don't know." }, { "start": 2144.36, "end": 2145.36, "text": " You know this too." }, { "start": 2145.36, "end": 2146.36, "text": " It's a heads up display." }, { "start": 2146.36, "end": 2147.36, "text": " It's not a heads up display." }, { "start": 2147.36, "end": 2149.36, "text": " It's a virtual reality headset." }, { "start": 2149.36, "end": 2150.36, "text": " VR goggles." }, { "start": 2150.36, "end": 2151.36, "text": " It's VR goggles." }, { "start": 2151.36, "end": 2161.36, "text": " And it is the exact actual promise of VR that I grew up on hoping and praying and wishing" }, { "start": 2161.36, "end": 2162.36, "text": " would happen." }, { "start": 2162.36, "end": 2169.36, "text": " It is...I put them on tonight and I had the most incredible, inspiring, exciting...By" }, { "start": 2169.36, "end": 2173.36, "text": " the way, I'm not joking in any way." }, { "start": 2173.36, "end": 2174.36, "text": " He's not serious." }, { "start": 2174.36, "end": 2180.36, "text": " It blew me away on almost every level that I could be blown away on." }, { "start": 2180.36, "end": 2186.36, "text": " Actually, when I took them off, I felt...When I took them off, I felt like I had had an experience..." }, { "start": 2186.36, "end": 2187.36, "text": " It's disorienting." }, { "start": 2187.36, "end": 2193.36, "text": " I had almost like a drug experience that I came out of." }, { "start": 2193.36, "end": 2196.36, "text": " It's a little...No, I think it's disorienting." }, { "start": 2196.36, "end": 2199.36, "text": " Not just because you're in this other place." }, { "start": 2199.36, "end": 2202.36, "text": " Josh, I think you and I have to get real on this though." }, { "start": 2202.36, "end": 2203.36, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2203.36, "end": 2205.36, "text": " Paul, I don't want to out you in front of Liz." }, { "start": 2205.36, "end": 2206.36, "text": " Have you ever done acid?" }, { "start": 2206.36, "end": 2207.36, "text": " No." }, { "start": 2207.36, "end": 2208.36, "text": " Josh." }, { "start": 2208.36, "end": 2210.36, "text": " Are we...Oh, yeah." }, { "start": 2210.36, "end": 2211.36, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2211.36, "end": 2215.36, "text": " So Josh and I have at times in the past partaken in hallucinogenic substances." }, { "start": 2215.36, "end": 2216.36, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2216.36, "end": 2219.36, "text": " And I will...I'm just going to straight up on you here." }, { "start": 2219.36, "end": 2220.36, "text": " No, it was..." }, { "start": 2220.36, "end": 2223.36, "text": " You take it off and it's a little bit like when you come down from an acid high and you're" }, { "start": 2223.36, "end": 2224.36, "text": " like..." }, { "start": 2224.36, "end": 2228.36, "text": " That's exactly...I will say this and I wanted to say it to everybody in the trailer, but" }, { "start": 2228.36, "end": 2231.36, "text": " I thought this seems inappropriate to say to my coworkers." }, { "start": 2231.36, "end": 2233.36, "text": " So now just say it to the internet." }, { "start": 2233.36, "end": 2235.36, "text": " I'll just say it to everybody." }, { "start": 2235.36, "end": 2237.36, "text": " No, it was...It's like acid." }, { "start": 2237.36, "end": 2242.36, "text": " It is like the experience of being out of your head in a way." }, { "start": 2242.36, "end": 2243.36, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2243.36, "end": 2244.36, "text": " In some other world." }, { "start": 2244.36, "end": 2249.36, "text": " It's like the feeling of like the goggles and my reality is out kind of here at least." }, { "start": 2249.36, "end": 2251.36, "text": " I don't want you to feel somehow left out." }, { "start": 2251.36, "end": 2254.36, "text": " I think that the experience is the equivalent." }, { "start": 2254.36, "end": 2257.36, "text": " I just think that we have something other...some other thing to compare it to." }, { "start": 2257.36, "end": 2258.36, "text": " I have a reference." }, { "start": 2258.36, "end": 2259.36, "text": " We have a shorthand." }, { "start": 2259.36, "end": 2261.36, "text": " You can also say...I mean there are probably a bunch of..." }, { "start": 2261.36, "end": 2262.36, "text": " Mescaline." }, { "start": 2262.36, "end": 2263.36, "text": " You can also say mescaline." }, { "start": 2263.36, "end": 2264.36, "text": " Yeah, sure." }, { "start": 2264.36, "end": 2269.36, "text": " I mean a mixture of...a 60-40 mixture of ketamine and crystal meth." }, { "start": 2269.36, "end": 2270.36, "text": " Very similar." }, { "start": 2270.36, "end": 2271.36, "text": " Real play." }, { "start": 2271.36, "end": 2272.36, "text": " Real play." }, { "start": 2272.36, "end": 2281.36, "text": " If you crush weed and turn it into a paste and then just paint the paste onto a crack" }, { "start": 2281.36, "end": 2282.36, "text": " rock." }, { "start": 2282.36, "end": 2283.36, "text": " Similar experience." }, { "start": 2283.36, "end": 2284.36, "text": " The Oculus Rift, it's like video goggles." }, { "start": 2284.36, "end": 2295.36, "text": " There's like lenses that work as like...When you have the goggles on, the screen seems" }, { "start": 2295.36, "end": 2297.36, "text": " to wrap around your face." }, { "start": 2297.36, "end": 2298.36, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2298.36, "end": 2299.36, "text": " Oh, it doesn't seem to." }, { "start": 2299.36, "end": 2300.36, "text": " Your whole vision." }, { "start": 2300.36, "end": 2301.36, "text": " No, it does." }, { "start": 2301.36, "end": 2302.36, "text": " It's like peripheral vision." }, { "start": 2302.36, "end": 2305.36, "text": " Yeah, they...There's like lenses that make it all wrap around you." }, { "start": 2305.36, "end": 2309.2000000000003, "text": " The effect is that it is...You can see maybe a little bit...there's a little bit here," }, { "start": 2309.2000000000003, "end": 2313.7200000000003, "text": " but once you get the effect of...I mean there's very little break in your view." }, { "start": 2313.7200000000003, "end": 2316.8, "text": " Once you get the effect...And then what they...the first thing they did was when you put them...I" }, { "start": 2316.8, "end": 2320.04, "text": " don't know if they did this to you, but when I put them on, they said, turn around, look" }, { "start": 2320.04, "end": 2321.46, "text": " behind you." }, { "start": 2321.46, "end": 2323.32, "text": " And you go...You do this." }, { "start": 2323.32, "end": 2324.6800000000003, "text": " And they're like, look all the way behind you." }, { "start": 2324.6800000000003, "end": 2329.6, "text": " You go all the way behind you when you turn...And the room...You're looking in a room all the" }, { "start": 2329.6, "end": 2330.6, "text": " way behind you." }, { "start": 2330.6, "end": 2331.6, "text": " I mean...How about this, though?" }, { "start": 2331.6, "end": 2332.6, "text": " How about this?" }, { "start": 2332.6, "end": 2335.08, "text": " All I want to do is get back to the Oculus Rift right now." }, { "start": 2335.08, "end": 2336.08, "text": " I do miss being in that reality." }, { "start": 2336.08, "end": 2339.36, "text": " No, this is like...And the demo they were doing is like a Unity graphics." }, { "start": 2339.36, "end": 2340.36, "text": " It was pretty bad graphics." }, { "start": 2340.36, "end": 2341.36, "text": " You didn't see that." }, { "start": 2341.36, "end": 2342.36, "text": " It was rough, but that's a fish." }, { "start": 2342.36, "end": 2345.2799999999997, "text": " Josh, go on a mind voyage with me." }, { "start": 2345.2799999999997, "end": 2349.52, "text": " What if when they...What if when they told you to turn all the way around, you're turning" }, { "start": 2349.52, "end": 2350.52, "text": " around slowly, you're like, this is cool." }, { "start": 2350.52, "end": 2351.52, "text": " They're like, no, all the way around." }, { "start": 2351.52, "end": 2352.52, "text": " So you're like, okay, this is cool." }, { "start": 2352.52, "end": 2355.52, "text": " What if when you go all the way around, there's a monster there?" }, { "start": 2355.52, "end": 2356.52, "text": " Think about it." }, { "start": 2356.52, "end": 2357.52, "text": " No, no." }, { "start": 2357.52, "end": 2358.52, "text": " I thought they were...I actually thought..." }, { "start": 2358.52, "end": 2359.52, "text": " How fucked up would you get?" }, { "start": 2359.52, "end": 2360.8, "text": " I was scared." }, { "start": 2360.8, "end": 2363.2, "text": " They were like...They said something while I was walking." }, { "start": 2363.2, "end": 2364.48, "text": " They're like, go walk down the hallway." }, { "start": 2364.48, "end": 2369.16, "text": " I mean, it's so weird, but you start going down this hallway and they're like, look at" }, { "start": 2369.16, "end": 2370.16, "text": " the sparks over here." }, { "start": 2370.16, "end": 2373.24, "text": " And there's this kind of wire with sparks coming off it." }, { "start": 2373.24, "end": 2374.56, "text": " And you go and you walk because it's like..." }, { "start": 2374.56, "end": 2375.56, "text": " Holy shit, a demon." }, { "start": 2375.56, "end": 2376.56, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2376.56, "end": 2378.04, "text": " No, but I thought something was going to jump out at me." }, { "start": 2378.04, "end": 2379.88, "text": " And it was so...Because it's so real." }, { "start": 2379.88, "end": 2380.88, "text": " It feels so real." }, { "start": 2380.88, "end": 2381.88, "text": " It's intense, man." }, { "start": 2381.88, "end": 2382.88, "text": " When you're in it." }, { "start": 2382.88, "end": 2383.88, "text": " You know what I thought?" }, { "start": 2383.88, "end": 2384.88, "text": " You know what I was thinking about when I was playing it?" }, { "start": 2384.88, "end": 2385.88, "text": " How excited." }, { "start": 2385.88, "end": 2386.88, "text": " Look how excited Tyler is." }, { "start": 2386.88, "end": 2387.88, "text": " Look at this." }, { "start": 2387.88, "end": 2388.88, "text": " You know what I was thinking?" }, { "start": 2388.88, "end": 2391.36, "text": " I was like, no, that game has eight polygons in it." }, { "start": 2391.36, "end": 2392.36, "text": " And it's like terrifying." }, { "start": 2392.36, "end": 2393.36, "text": " Shudan's all like brrrr." }, { "start": 2393.36, "end": 2394.36, "text": " And you're like..." }, { "start": 2394.36, "end": 2397.6, "text": " To clarify, if someone hasn't used this, you put goggles on." }, { "start": 2397.6, "end": 2398.6, "text": " Everyone hasn't used this." }, { "start": 2398.6, "end": 2399.76, "text": " You put goggles on." }, { "start": 2399.76, "end": 2401.2400000000002, "text": " You are in this universe." }, { "start": 2401.2400000000002, "end": 2402.92, "text": " And these are crappy graphics." }, { "start": 2402.92, "end": 2406.28, "text": " The sparks are like one little sprite that are making sparks." }, { "start": 2406.28, "end": 2410.6400000000003, "text": " It's like your brain stitches together in a way." }, { "start": 2410.6400000000003, "end": 2411.6400000000003, "text": " It's very basic." }, { "start": 2411.6400000000003, "end": 2412.92, "text": " 16 frames a second is all we need." }, { "start": 2412.92, "end": 2417.28, "text": " When your head moves around, it pans around the camera." }, { "start": 2417.28, "end": 2421.76, "text": " And when you put it on, it's exactly what you expected." }, { "start": 2421.76, "end": 2423.36, "text": " I was not surprised at all." }, { "start": 2423.36, "end": 2425.2000000000003, "text": " It's like, oh, this is what we've been waiting for." }, { "start": 2425.2000000000003, "end": 2427.88, "text": " And I put it on and it worked exactly right." }, { "start": 2427.88, "end": 2430.96, "text": " And the sensing was so latency free." }, { "start": 2430.96, "end": 2434, "text": " And I just want to say, this device..." }, { "start": 2434, "end": 2438.88, "text": " By the way, dev kits are going on sale for $300." }, { "start": 2438.88, "end": 2439.88, "text": " In March." }, { "start": 2439.88, "end": 2441.88, "text": " And then they're going to double the resolution." }, { "start": 2441.88, "end": 2443.88, "text": " They're going to double it to 1080." }, { "start": 2443.88, "end": 2447.6400000000003, "text": " I mean, here's the $300." }, { "start": 2447.6400000000003, "end": 2449.44, "text": " Get in line." }, { "start": 2449.44, "end": 2453.1600000000003, "text": " By the way, I'm not paid to endorse this product." }, { "start": 2453.1600000000003, "end": 2454.88, "text": " I've just never been more excited." }, { "start": 2454.88, "end": 2455.88, "text": " I can't remember the last time." }, { "start": 2455.88, "end": 2461.48, "text": " I think the last time I was this excited at CES was Fallout 3." }, { "start": 2461.48, "end": 2465.32, "text": " Can you imagine Fallout 3 in the Oculus Rift?" }, { "start": 2465.32, "end": 2467.44, "text": " I 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what is here is garbage." }, { "start": 2669.4, "end": 2670.4, "text": " You know what?" }, { "start": 2670.4, "end": 2671.4, "text": " Sins of private holdings." }, { "start": 2671.4, "end": 2674.08, "text": " Much of what is out there in life is garbage." }, { "start": 2674.08, "end": 2675.08, "text": " But there are-" }, { "start": 2675.08, "end": 2676.08, "text": " Get real, folks." }, { "start": 2676.08, "end": 2677.08, "text": " It's real talk." }, { "start": 2677.08, "end": 2683.94, "text": " But there are transcendent, there are things that transcend the garbage." }, { "start": 2683.94, "end": 2685.16, "text": " There are things that are-" }, { "start": 2685.16, "end": 2688.96, "text": " But the fact that those things are things that made by dudes." }, { "start": 2688.96, "end": 2691.6, "text": " They rift, I don't think you'd go over there." }, { "start": 2691.6, "end": 2696.88, "text": " They create a rift within the sidewalk of garbage and allow-" }, { "start": 2696.88, "end": 2698.32, "text": " Through which an Oculus weed-" }, { "start": 2698.32, "end": 2702.32, "text": " A weed grows through and blossoms into a beautiful flower." }, { "start": 2702.32, "end": 2709.4, "text": " And that is happening, it's actually happening right this second here at the show." }, { "start": 2709.4, "end": 2711.76, "text": " I don't need to promote CS." }, { "start": 2711.76, "end": 2713.4, "text": " I'm having an awesome time here." }, { "start": 2713.4, "end": 2718.44, "text": " Today I thought we had an amazing time with these amazing scoops and stories." }, { "start": 2718.44, "end": 2719.44, "text": " I hated it." }, { "start": 2719.44, "end": 2720.76, "text": " I hated it so much." }, { "start": 2720.76, "end": 2721.76, "text": " I'm so definitely-" }, { "start": 2721.76, "end": 2722.76, "text": " And I'm really enjoying this show." }, { "start": 2722.76, "end": 2723.76, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 2723.76, "end": 2724.76, "text": " I have to say, it's 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and I can" }, { "start": 2745.2400000000002, "end": 2746.2400000000002, "text": " also read what I'm writing." }, { "start": 2746.2400000000002, "end": 2747.2400000000002, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 2747.2400000000002, "end": 2748.2400000000002, "text": " Where did you find your glasses?" }, { "start": 2748.2400000000002, "end": 2750.2400000000002, "text": " They were in between the bed and the nightstand." }, { "start": 2750.2400000000002, "end": 2751.2400000000002, "text": " Oh, geez." }, { "start": 2751.2400000000002, "end": 2752.2400000000002, "text": " That doesn't count." }, { "start": 2752.2400000000002, "end": 2753.2400000000002, "text": " I thought you meant-" }, { "start": 2753.2400000000002, "end": 2754.2400000000002, "text": " We only have a little bit of time." }, { "start": 2754.2400000000002, "end": 2757.12, "text": " But I actually just want to say, I'm so excited right now." }, { "start": 2757.12, "end": 2760.7200000000003, "text": " I mean, we may not find any 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"text": " I had been incepted into thinking the world wasn't real anymore." }, { "start": 2888.92, "end": 2889.92, "text": " I did have that same thought." }, { "start": 2889.92, "end": 2895, "text": " I thought to myself, when I came out, I thought, I need to get back to their air." }, { "start": 2895, "end": 2899.08, "text": " Is what I'm seeing now, is that the real thing?" }, { "start": 2899.08, "end": 2901.64, "text": " And have I been looking at a fake thing this whole time?" }, { "start": 2901.64, "end": 2905.92, "text": " Actually, it's kind of like in Star Trek Generations." }, { "start": 2905.92, "end": 2908.2799999999997, "text": " I just watched that when I was sick the other week." }, { "start": 2908.2799999999997, "end": 2909.2799999999997, "text": " So you know the plot, right?" }, { "start": 2909.2799999999997, "end": 2910.2799999999997, "text": " I love it." }, { "start": 2910.28, "end": 2913.52, "text": " Do you know the plot of Star Trek?" }, { "start": 2913.52, "end": 2918.2400000000002, "text": " It's the one where Picard and Kirk meet." }, { "start": 2918.2400000000002, "end": 2919.88, "text": " The Nexus, yeah." }, { "start": 2919.88, "end": 2923.76, "text": " Okay, I'll just give you the broad outline because Paul doesn't know." }, { "start": 2923.76, "end": 2924.76, "text": " If you haven't seen it." }, { "start": 2924.76, "end": 2928.88, "text": " Can I have some water, please?" }, { "start": 2928.88, "end": 2933.1600000000003, "text": " Long story short, there's a thing that's going to destroy the universe." }, { "start": 2933.1600000000003, "end": 2937.92, "text": " But that thing is called the Nexus, right?" }, { "start": 2937.92, "end": 2939.6800000000003, "text": " The ribbon." }, { "start": 2939.68, "end": 2940.68, "text": " And what it is is-" }, { "start": 2940.68, "end": 2943.44, "text": " That was just spoken through a parable." }, { "start": 2943.44, "end": 2952.64, "text": " When you get caught in this planet destroying 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3024.6, "text": " Right, Guinan." }, { "start": 3024.6, "end": 3028.92, "text": " And Guinan, who was a character on the show forever on The Next Generation, and you suddenly" }, { "start": 3028.92, "end": 3035.16, "text": " get this huge backstory about how her and Picard actually know each other." }, { "start": 3035.16, "end": 3039.68, "text": " This is a big thing that they'd been in the Nexus before together." }, { "start": 3039.68, "end": 3041.96, "text": " Or she'd been in the Nexus." }, { "start": 3041.96, "end": 3042.96, "text": " It's her backstory." }, { "start": 3042.96, "end": 3044.72, "text": " Anyhow, I don't know why I'm saying this." }, { "start": 3044.72, "end": 3052.24, "text": " The point is, if you go into the Nexus, it drove Malcolm McDowell insane because once" }, { "start": 3052.24, "end": 3054.2, "text": " he got spit out, all he wanted-" }, { "start": 3054.2, "end": 3055.2, "text": " It was like heroin." }, { "start": 3055.2, "end": 3057.2, "text": " He just 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"start": 3090.2400000000002, "end": 3093.36, "text": " If you don't get attacked by a demon, you've done something wrong." }, { "start": 3093.36, "end": 3096.6000000000004, "text": " I heard the guy mention paranormal, or was it?" }, { "start": 3096.6000000000004, "end": 3097.6000000000004, "text": " No." }, { "start": 3097.6000000000004, "end": 3099.52, "text": " No, what's that game called?" }, { "start": 3099.52, "end": 3100.52, "text": " Dead Space." }, { "start": 3100.52, "end": 3101.52, "text": " It's Asylum." }, { "start": 3101.52, "end": 3102.52, "text": " I heard that guy-" }, { "start": 3102.52, "end": 3103.52, "text": " That's not a game I know." }, { "start": 3103.52, "end": 3104.52, "text": " What is Asylum?" }, { "start": 3104.52, "end": 3105.52, "text": " No." }, { "start": 3105.52, "end": 3106.52, "text": " No, what's the scary-" }, { "start": 3106.52, "end": 3107.52, "text": " Silent Hill?" }, { "start": 3107.52, "end": 3108.52, "text": " Resident Evil." }, { "start": 3108.52, "end": 3110.0800000000004, "text": " No, the scary PC game." }, { "start": 3110.08, "end": 3111.08, "text": " Amnesia." }, { "start": 3111.08, "end": 3112.08, "text": " Amnesia." }, { "start": 3112.08, "end": 3113.08, "text": " What is Amnesia?" }, { "start": 3113.08, "end": 3114.08, "text": " Should I play it?" }, { "start": 3114.08, "end": 3115.08, "text": " Yes, you have to play it." }, { "start": 3115.08, "end": 3116.08, "text": " Amnesia is going to freak you out." }, { "start": 3116.08, "end": 3117.08, "text": " Is it out?" }, { "start": 3117.08, "end": 3118.08, "text": " Oh yeah." }, { "start": 3118.08, "end": 3119.08, "text": " No, wait to get your Oculus Rift." }, { "start": 3119.08, "end": 3120.08, "text": " Is it compatible with it?" }, { "start": 3120.08, "end": 3121.08, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 3121.08, "end": 3122.08, "text": " Dude, is it compatible with it?" }, { "start": 3122.08, "end": 3123.08, "text": " That's what you were talking about." }, { "start": 3123.08, "end": 3124.08, "text": " You would die." }, { "start": 3124.08, "end": 3125.08, "text": " You would literally die." }, { "start": 3125.08, "end": 3126.08, "text": " Don't do it." }, { "start": 3126.08, "end": 3127.08, "text": " You're saying no." }, { "start": 3127.08, "end": 3128.08, "text": " Is it going to play Amnesia?" }, { "start": 3128.08, "end": 3129.08, "text": " If you play it on the computer-" }, { "start": 3129.08, "end": 3130.08, "text": " You die and then you go to that-" }, { "start": 3130.08, "end": 3131.08, "text": " Dude, I need to play it." }, { "start": 3131.08, "end": 3132.08, "text": " How do I not know about Amnesia?" }, { "start": 3132.08, "end": 3133.08, "text": " I don't know, man." }, { "start": 3133.08, "end": 3134.08, "text": " Maybe I knew about it and I have it." }, { "start": 3134.08, "end": 3135.08, "text": " I don't know." }, { "start": 3135.08, "end": 3140.08, "text": " A lot of people think of it as like the scariest game." }, { "start": 3140.08, "end": 3141.08, "text": " Sequel's coming out soon." }, { "start": 3141.08, "end": 3142.08, "text": " I got to play it." }, { "start": 3142.08, "end": 3143.08, "text": " We're putting it on a-" }, { "start": 3143.08, "end": 3144.08, "text": " I got to play it." }, { "start": 3144.08, "end": 3145.08, "text": " We got to wrap up." }, { "start": 3145.08, "end": 3146.08, "text": " We got to wrap up." }, { "start": 3146.08, "end": 3147.08, "text": " We can't get to the sequel." }, { "start": 3147.08, "end": 3148.08, "text": " iPhone, Ficebook." }, { "start": 3148.08, "end": 3149.08, "text": " Oh yeah, apparently this is a new iPhone or something." }, { "start": 3149.08, "end": 3150.08, "text": " iPhone, Ficebook." }, { "start": 3150.08, "end": 3151.08, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 3151.08, "end": 3152.08, "text": " I don't want to talk about it." }, { "start": 3152.08, "end": 3153.08, "text": " I don't want to talk about it." }, { "start": 3153.08, "end": 3154.08, "text": " All I want to do is continue to talk about the Oculus Rift." }, { "start": 3154.08, "end": 3155.08, "text": " We can't keep going." }, { "start": 3155.08, "end": 3156.08, "text": " What's happening?" }, { "start": 3156.08, "end": 3157.08, "text": " Top shelf." }, { "start": 3157.08, "end": 3158.08, "text": " That's not right." }, { "start": 3158.08, "end": 3159.08, "text": " Time for top shelf." }, { "start": 3159.08, "end": 3160.08, "text": " I guess let's do top shelf, guys." }, { "start": 3160.08, "end": 3161.08, "text": " What's the deal?" }, { "start": 3161.08, "end": 3162.08, "text": " What's the deal?" }, { "start": 3162.08, "end": 3163.08, "text": " What's the deal?" }, { "start": 3163.08, "end": 3164.08, "text": " What's the deal?" }, { "start": 3164.08, "end": 3165.08, "text": " What's the deal?" }, { "start": 3165.08, "end": 3166.08, "text": " What's the deal?" }, { "start": 3166.08, "end": 3167.08, "text": " Let's do top shelf, guys." }, { "start": 3167.08, "end": 3168.08, "text": " What are our topics?" }, { "start": 3168.08, "end": 3169.08, "text": " It's been a crazy day." }, { "start": 3169.08, "end": 3170.08, "text": " Uh oh, bed." }, { "start": 3170.08, "end": 3171.08, "text": " All right, we're wrapping up." }, { "start": 3171.08, "end": 3172.08, "text": " We got a plan for tomorrow." }, { "start": 3172.08, "end": 3173.08, "text": " I have to go find out where Neely is." }, { "start": 3173.08, "end": 3174.08, "text": " I have to go find out where Neely is." }, { "start": 3174.08, "end": 3175.08, "text": " I have to go find out where Neely is." }, { "start": 3175.08, "end": 3176.08, "text": " I have to go find out where Neely is." }, { "start": 3176.08, "end": 3177.08, "text": " Where is Neely?" }, { "start": 3177.08, "end": 3178.08, "text": " Neely's probably-" }, { "start": 3178.08, "end": 3179.08, "text": " He probably got caught in the Nexus." }, { "start": 3179.08, "end": 3180.08, "text": " He's chopping wood in Colorado." }, { "start": 3180.08, "end": 3182.7599999999998, "text": " You know what Neely's perfect heaven is?" }, { "start": 3182.7599999999998, "end": 3183.7599999999998, "text": " He's debating-" }, { "start": 3183.7599999999998, "end": 3184.7599999999998, "text": " Patent, patent law." }, { "start": 3184.7599999999998, "end": 3187, "text": " Some kind of patent issue." }, { "start": 3187, "end": 3188, "text": " Full circle." }, { "start": 3188, "end": 3191, "text": " He's debating patent law between the Clash and the Rolling Stones." }, { "start": 3191, "end": 3192, "text": " He's in an argument." }, { "start": 3192, "end": 3198.04, "text": " The Rolling Stones have infringed on the Clash's patent in some way." }, { "start": 3198.04, "end": 3203.56, "text": " And Neely must represent both sides in the argument." }, { "start": 3203.56, "end": 3207.24, "text": " And the patent was for TVs that bring your family together." }, { "start": 3207.24, "end": 3208.24, "text": " Yes!" }, { "start": 3208.24, "end": 3209.24, "text": " Wrapped it up." }, { "start": 3209.24, "end": 3210.24, "text": " Closing it out." }, { "start": 3210.24, "end": 3211.24, "text": " Good job." }, { "start": 3211.24, "end": 3212.24, "text": " I took the patent before something like an IR blaster." }, { "start": 3212.24, "end": 3214.96, "text": " Which is one of Neely's patents." }, { "start": 3214.96, "end": 3215.96, "text": " Or a Firewire." }, { "start": 3215.96, "end": 3219.04, "text": " A patent on Firewire that the Rolling Stones held." }, { "start": 3219.04, "end": 3220.04, "text": " IR over Firewire." }, { "start": 3220.04, "end": 3222.48, "text": " These guys know what we mean." }, { "start": 3222.48, "end": 3225.36, "text": " Alright, that's the Verge cast." }, { "start": 3225.36, "end": 3229.48, "text": " See you guys day one." }, { "start": 3229.48, "end": 3231.52, "text": " Thank you to Chris Grant for joining us." }, { "start": 3231.52, "end": 3235.36, "text": " I mean, I have to say, you really should do more Verge casting." }, { "start": 3235.36, "end": 3236.36, "text": " Oh yeah?" }, { "start": 3236.36, "end": 3237.36, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3237.36, "end": 3238.36, "text": " You're damn good at it." }, { "start": 3238.36, "end": 3241.36, "text": " Maybe I'll buy you a drink later." }, { "start": 3241.36, "end": 3243.36, "text": " I can tell you just how good you are." }, { "start": 3243.36, "end": 3244.36, "text": " I can leave." }, { "start": 3244.36, "end": 3245.36, "text": " No, stay." }, { "start": 3245.36, "end": 3246.36, "text": " Stay." }, { "start": 3246.36, "end": 3247.36, "text": " I think we both prefer you stay." }, { "start": 3247.36, "end": 3253, "text": " And anyhow, if you want to get in touch with us, you can email us at Vergecast at the Verge.com." }, { "start": 3253, "end": 3256.6800000000003, "text": " You can leave a comment when this insane hell ride goes up." }, { "start": 3256.6800000000003, "end": 3259.76, "text": " Or you can find us on Twitter." }, { "start": 3259.76, "end": 3260.76, "text": " I'm Joshua Topolsky." }, { "start": 3260.76, "end": 3261.76, "text": " Paul's future Paul." }, { "start": 3261.76, "end": 3268.52, "text": " I mean, it's like throwing money down into a well or something." }, { "start": 3268.52, "end": 3271.1600000000003, "text": " And Chris is Chris Grant." }, { "start": 3271.1600000000003, "end": 3272.1600000000003, "text": " You got it." }, { "start": 3272.1600000000003, "end": 3273.1600000000003, "text": " Right?" }, { "start": 3273.1600000000003, "end": 3274.1600000000003, "text": " That's it." }, { "start": 3274.1600000000003, "end": 3276.04, "text": " I always think it's going to be your Xbox name." }, { "start": 3276.04, "end": 3280.68, "text": " I used to be future Paul on Twitter and I was hanging out with Chris Grant and he was" }, { "start": 3280.68, "end": 3281.8, "text": " trying to tweet at me." }, { "start": 3281.8, "end": 3282.8, "text": " We were bowling." }, { "start": 3282.8, "end": 3283.8, "text": " We were bowling in Philadelphia." }, { "start": 3283.8, "end": 3284.8, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 3284.8, "end": 3289.56, "text": " And he was like, I can never remember your Twitter handle." }, { "start": 3289.56, "end": 3290.56, "text": " And I was like, fine." }, { "start": 3290.56, "end": 3291.56, "text": " Wait, you're not future Paul?" }, { "start": 3291.56, "end": 3292.56, "text": " I wasn't future Paul." }, { "start": 3292.56, "end": 3293.56, "text": " He was." }, { "start": 3293.56, "end": 3294.56, "text": " I was Josiah Miller." }, { "start": 3294.56, "end": 3295.56, "text": " Josiah Miller." }, { "start": 3295.56, "end": 3296.56, "text": " Awful." }, { "start": 3296.56, "end": 3297.56, "text": " The worst." }, { "start": 3297.56, "end": 3298.56, "text": " And I was like, let me tweet at you." }, { "start": 3298.56, "end": 3299.56, "text": " What's your, wait, what?" }, { "start": 3299.56, "end": 3300.56, "text": " Josiah?" }, { "start": 3300.56, "end": 3301.56, "text": " Change it." }, { "start": 3301.56, "end": 3302.56, "text": " I changed it." }, { "start": 3302.56, "end": 3303.56, "text": " It's all thanks to this guy." }, { "start": 3303.56, "end": 3305.56, "text": " Are there any Zabodias in your family?" }, { "start": 3305.56, "end": 3306.56, "text": " No." }, { "start": 3306.56, "end": 3307.56, "text": " There's a Zachary." }, { "start": 3307.56, "end": 3308.56, "text": " Not good." }, { "start": 3308.56, "end": 3309.56, "text": " Not as good." }, { "start": 3309.56, "end": 3310.56, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 3310.56, "end": 3311.56, "text": " That's it." }, { "start": 3311.56, "end": 3314.56, "text": " We'll be back tomorrow, but we'll be back painfully for me at least." }, { "start": 3314.56, "end": 3320.32, "text": " I'll be back at eight in the morning on eight in the morning Pacific 11 East Coast for first." }, { "start": 3320.32, "end": 3321.32, "text": " We've got first." }, { "start": 3321.32, "end": 3324.4, "text": " We've got top shelf 90 on 90 tomorrow and then a ton more news." }, { "start": 3324.4, "end": 3326.7999999999997, "text": " Believe me, things are not done." }, { "start": 3326.7999999999997, "end": 3332.2, "text": " So thanks for watching and I'm sure you and your family will enjoy their time around the" }, { "start": 3332.2, "end": 3334.88, "text": " refrigerator all wearing Oculus Rift." }, { "start": 3334.88, "end": 3338.6, "text": " Do we say rock and roll?" }, { "start": 3338.6, "end": 3339.6, "text": " Rock and roll." }, { "start": 3339.6, "end": 3340.6, "text": " I say Oculus." }, { "start": 3340.6, "end": 3341.6, "text": " You say Rift." }, { "start": 3341.6, "end": 3342.6, "text": " Oculus." }, { "start": 3342.6, "end": 3343.6, "text": " Rift." }, { "start": 3343.6, "end": 3344.6, "text": " Oculus." }, { "start": 3344.6, "end": 3366.7799999999997, "text": " Alright." } ]

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You know, let's not get bogged down in the details." }, { "start": 52.099999999999994, "end": 55.599999999999994, "text": " So basically you're a female pretending to be a male pretending to be a female escort." }, { "start": 55.6, "end": 58.54, "text": " Something like that. I mean, I don't know. I think it's in the movie. Everybody seems" }, { "start": 58.54, "end": 61.7, "text": " to enjoy it. That's the important thing. Everybody's happy to get to work. Point is we're exhausted." }, { "start": 61.7, "end": 65.38, "text": " Everybody's having a good time. We're very tired. This is day two of the show floor being" }, { "start": 65.38, "end": 72.3, "text": " open. We have been here for quite a while covering the show. Yesterday was a massive" }, { "start": 72.3, "end": 79.22, "text": " day for us. Our biggest day I think yet with a ton of stuff, funny stuff, weird stuff." }, { "start": 79.22, "end": 83.1, "text": " It's been very surprising how much fun I've been having in CES. I have to say, I mean," }, { "start": 83.1, "end": 87.58, "text": " you know, I am not, I really, I try not to sound like I'm cheerleading CES because I" }, { "start": 87.58, "end": 90.74, "text": " think normally we come here and we're, you know, we see this as a mission we've got to" }, { "start": 90.74, "end": 94.74, "text": " get through. We have a really good time with our team. This year everybody was saying," }, { "start": 94.74, "end": 98.38, "text": " oh, it's going to be a bad show and things are going to be terrible and it's, you know," }, { "start": 98.38, "end": 103.61999999999999, "text": " hardware is dead. And I actually think it's been a really fun, amazing year so far. I" }, { "start": 103.61999999999999, "end": 107.41999999999999, "text": " think we've been looking at this show different than from years past. It's just we're looking" }, { "start": 107.41999999999999, "end": 111.3, "text": " for the weird more than we are. Like, we're not looking at Browder's anymore. We're years" }, { "start": 111.3, "end": 114.7, "text": " past that. Yeah, I just think that, I think you get that, you know, I think just in general" }, { "start": 114.7, "end": 119.58, "text": " the public gets Sony's going to talk about 4K TV or whatever and there's going to be," }, { "start": 119.58, "end": 122.88, "text": " you're going to get the press stuff, the regular press stuff and then you've got to find the" }, { "start": 122.88, "end": 126.22, "text": " other stories that are interesting here. And I think, I think we've been doing that and" }, { "start": 126.22, "end": 129.74, "text": " that's really interesting to me. But, and we'll get to that and we'll get to Valve." }, { "start": 129.74, "end": 134.26, "text": " And we will, sorry, yeah, we're going to talk about Valve in just a little bit, but we've" }, { "start": 134.26, "end": 138.64, "text": " got some headlines. We've got headlines. The first thing, yesterday T-Mobile made a huge" }, { "start": 138.64, "end": 143.42, "text": " push for its carriers. Really wanted to get past number four. It made a, a bunch of big" }, { "start": 143.42, "end": 148.57999999999998, "text": " announcements. First and foremost, LT. It'll be its first market is here next week. Yeah." }, { "start": 148.57999999999998, "end": 153.98, "text": " A hundred million people by middle of this year. Yeah. Is that, is that, that, that," }, { "start": 153.98, "end": 158.73999999999998, "text": " that LT is going to be interoperable with AT&T? I don't think so. What's, do we know?" }, { "start": 158.73999999999998, "end": 161.7, "text": " I don't think we know, but I think. Why are they doing this? They're just making a new" }, { "start": 161.7, "end": 164.26, "text": " version. Wait, wait, wait, why are they doing this? I mean, you know, it's just, I know" }, { "start": 164.26, "end": 168.29999999999998, "text": " why they're doing it. I just think it's the worst. Like, can we intervene here? It's all" }, { "start": 168.3, "end": 172.54000000000002, "text": " the same LTE. Can we make the right, can we correct our mistakes? It's all the same LTE" }, { "start": 172.54000000000002, "end": 177.98000000000002, "text": " like it's all the same 4G. Well, no, but you know, Verizon had either CDMA and there's" }, { "start": 177.98000000000002, "end": 182.38000000000002, "text": " GSM, right? Right. But now we don't have that problem. The LTE is like different bands," }, { "start": 182.38000000000002, "end": 187.74, "text": " different spectrums. It's, it's all over the place. Okay, fine. Point is, no, you can't" }, { "start": 187.74, "end": 192.98000000000002, "text": " have this beautiful hippie dream world of yours. HD voice. HD voice is now HD voice" }, { "start": 192.98000000000002, "end": 197.74, "text": " compatible if you have a Galaxy S3 or the One S, you can start using it. Yeah. I still" }, { "start": 197.74, "end": 202.98000000000002, "text": " have never used HD voice. Chris, Chris Ziegler says that it is an incredible innovation that" }, { "start": 202.98000000000002, "end": 206.82000000000002, "text": " we just can't appreciate yet. How often do you, I just don't make phone calls anymore." }, { "start": 206.82000000000002, "end": 210.54000000000002, "text": " I do everything I can to avoid phone calls. I don't like talking to people. If there's" }, { "start": 210.54000000000002, "end": 218.34, "text": " any way I can get out of talking on the phone, I will use that technique. Faking my own death," }, { "start": 218.34, "end": 221.02, "text": " holding someone hostage saying, you know, I can't come to the phone because I'm in a" }, { "start": 221.02, "end": 226.08, "text": " hostage situation. I don't even know. I don't know what that would be. Why would you take," }, { "start": 226.08, "end": 229.5, "text": " why would you hold somebody hostage if you just wanted to avoid a phone call? I mean," }, { "start": 229.5, "end": 231.98000000000002, "text": " it seems like there are easier ways to get out of it. It's like, look, I want to, I want" }, { "start": 231.98000000000002, "end": 237.02, "text": " to talk to you about your, your hostage situation, but you need to join this group. That's right." }, { "start": 237.02, "end": 241.46, "text": " And the last thing I did was unlimited data, completely unlimited data without contracts," }, { "start": 241.46, "end": 247.02, "text": " starting at $70 a month. Yeah. The big thing of course is you don't get a subsidized phone," }, { "start": 247.02, "end": 251.16000000000003, "text": " but T-Mobile has been doing a great job, not doing like half the new customers were contract" }, { "start": 251.16000000000003, "end": 254.58, "text": " free from the, some of the newer plans they've been doing. I mean, T-Mobile is really pushing" }, { "start": 254.58, "end": 258.3, "text": " them. It's like, we're the new unique carrier. You don't want a contract. You want unlimited" }, { "start": 258.3, "end": 262.06, "text": " data. These are the buzzwords we always talk about wanting. I actually find these announcements" }, { "start": 262.06, "end": 266.22, "text": " relatively boring. Can I be honest? Based on what we've been seeing here, this to me" }, { "start": 266.22, "end": 269.74, "text": " is one of the least interesting things. I mean, this, it just does not, it just kind" }, { "start": 269.74, "end": 275.42, "text": " of does nothing for me. Okay. It's the, in fact, I feel dead. That was, that, that news" }, { "start": 275.42, "end": 279.90000000000003, "text": " didn't want to go away. Boomerang. Either you're bad at throwing those or you really" }, { "start": 279.90000000000003, "end": 283.14, "text": " got to chuck them towards the camera. I think it's a little bit of both. No. All right." }, { "start": 283.14, "end": 286.41999999999996, "text": " This is going to bore you just as much. We're going to get through it. It's the Wall Street" }, { "start": 286.41999999999996, "end": 290.9, "text": " Journal Digitimes and Bloomberg trifecta of rumors, cheap iPhone. Okay. So here's what" }, { "start": 290.9, "end": 294.41999999999996, "text": " I think is interesting. Okay. First off, they say they could be a cheaper iPhone with a" }, { "start": 294.41999999999996, "end": 300.09999999999997, "text": " polycarbonate body. It might be, you know, some new material that's easier to produce," }, { "start": 300.09999999999997, "end": 302.3, "text": " cheaper and easier to produce. They'll call it something new, but it's, they'll call it" }, { "start": 302.3, "end": 305.7, "text": " something new, but it'll essentially be an iPhone 4S. Oh, polycarbonate. Yeah. They'll" }, { "start": 305.7, "end": 312.06, "text": " call it, you know, Apple, Apple carbonate. I, I, I carbonate. Yeah. But, so what I think" }, { "start": 312.06, "end": 320.5, "text": " is interesting about this is that historically for us, Apple has disrupted CES with, with" }, { "start": 320.5, "end": 325.82, "text": " news and, and no, you know, and this is, they do this, they love to do this. They, they" }, { "start": 325.82, "end": 330.3, "text": " have, there's something that happens somehow, you know, this, somehow this got leaked to" }, { "start": 330.3, "end": 333.62, "text": " the Wall Street Journal. You know, we don't know how they have very reliable sources." }, { "start": 333.62, "end": 337.82, "text": " They've all, they're pretty much, they don't publish an Apple rumor unless it turns in." }, { "start": 337.82, "end": 342.3, "text": " It turns out to be true. But you know, they always disrupt the show with news. What I" }, { "start": 342.3, "end": 346.26, "text": " thought was interesting is that yesterday on our site, this news hit and I looked at" }, { "start": 346.26, "end": 354.7, "text": " our traffic and it was the seventh most traffic post at prime time during the news, which" }, { "start": 354.7, "end": 359.78, "text": " I think is kind of incredible when you think about Apple's presence in the industry and" }, { "start": 359.78, "end": 363.92, "text": " that everybody said this show was going to be dead. And when I looked at our front page," }, { "start": 363.92, "end": 368.34000000000003, "text": " what was trending was actual news from, from the show. I agree, but let me play a little" }, { "start": 368.34000000000003, "end": 372.42, "text": " bit devil's advocate. Please don't. Had, too bad. Had Apple done a special event announcement" }, { "start": 372.42, "end": 374.58000000000004, "text": " like they do every year in scripts. Totally different. That would have changed everything." }, { "start": 374.58000000000004, "end": 377.54, "text": " Totally different. I mean, had they said we're doing, we're holding an event, please join" }, { "start": 377.54, "end": 382.70000000000005, "text": " us, tune in. If it had been like tune in, this show would have been over in one second" }, { "start": 382.70000000000005, "end": 387.5, "text": " because everybody would have started working on their editorials about Apple's TV initiative." }, { "start": 387.5, "end": 391.94, "text": " What I also thought was interesting is that the phone itself is whatever. Apple's going" }, { "start": 391.94, "end": 395.98, "text": " to make a cheaper iPhone. I think that's great. I think the more, the more, the more we can" }, { "start": 395.98, "end": 401.58, "text": " get great smartphones in the hands of the people, the better off we'll all be. But what" }, { "start": 401.58, "end": 408.5, "text": " I thought was really interesting was this rumor happened and then 15 minutes later," }, { "start": 408.5, "end": 414.3, "text": " Facebook issued an invite to an event. Right. And I have, I strongly feel that they must" }, { "start": 414.3, "end": 419.9, "text": " have been waiting to see if Apple was going to do an event and they were like, well, they're" }, { "start": 419.9, "end": 423.97999999999996, "text": " not doing it. Let's, let's do it. It's a CS tradition that Apple will screw it up somehow" }, { "start": 423.97999999999996, "end": 428.53999999999996, "text": " with an announcement. This time they did not. This was a, this was a spike. Right. A little" }, { "start": 428.53999999999996, "end": 434.17999999999995, "text": " disrupt, disrupt, disruptive spike, but it wasn't a, it didn't obliterate the show. Right." }, { "start": 434.17999999999995, "end": 438.38, "text": " But Facebook is building something new. Facebook obliterated the show. We'll find that later." }, { "start": 438.38, "end": 441.9, "text": " They managed to like everything. I don't know what that means. That's not even funny. Let's" }, { "start": 441.9, "end": 445.14, "text": " move on. All right. Let's pretend that never happened. The last, last story before we kind" }, { "start": 445.14, "end": 449.02, "text": " of get to the bigger things. This is actually, I think this kind of fell under the radar." }, { "start": 449.02, "end": 452.65999999999997, "text": " Huawei is, I can't believe we're talking about Huawei. We are talking about Huawei because" }, { "start": 452.65999999999997, "end": 456.85999999999996, "text": " the one, didn't we talk about Huawei yesterday? We talked about the device. We have a, we" }, { "start": 456.85999999999996, "end": 460.82, "text": " actually have Sam Baffert out here. He spoke with the head of consumer electronics, Richard" }, { "start": 460.82, "end": 464.7, "text": " Yu, who had quite a few interesting things to say. Yeah. Let's, let's talk to Sam. Sam," }, { "start": 464.7, "end": 471.62, "text": " are you with us? Hey, yeah, I'm here. Hey Sam. Hey Sam. Sam, you, you met with the," }, { "start": 471.62, "end": 475.53999999999996, "text": " he's the CEO of Huawei. He is the head of consumer electronics. Head of consumer electronics" }, { "start": 475.54, "end": 480.98, "text": " at Huawei because they also do a heavy industry, I would assume. Yes. They're a Chinese company." }, { "start": 480.98, "end": 484.38, "text": " Can you tell me a little bit about, about what you guys talked about? Yes. When you" }, { "start": 484.38, "end": 488.86, "text": " were chatting? So, I mean, the news here is. You might want to hold that mic a little bit" }, { "start": 488.86, "end": 493.06, "text": " closer to your mouth. Sure. How's this? Much better. It's a lot better. So the thing here" }, { "start": 493.06, "end": 497.5, "text": " is he, he was very bullish and confident. He was trying to convince me that Huawei makes" }, { "start": 497.5, "end": 501.70000000000005, "text": " the best phones in the world. He called out Samsung, he called out Apple and he was telling" }, { "start": 501.7, "end": 505.82, "text": " me that basically the new phones that they announced yesterday, the Ascend Mate and the" }, { "start": 505.82, "end": 511.09999999999997, "text": " D2, they are the best phones in the world. And what's interesting there is that until" }, { "start": 511.09999999999997, "end": 515.1, "text": " now the company has been very much, it sells a lot of phones, but not in the high end at" }, { "start": 515.1, "end": 518.62, "text": " all. I mean, I don't know about you guys. The only guy I know with a Huawei phone is" }, { "start": 518.62, "end": 523.22, "text": " Paul Miller and that's because he doesn't use the internet. So. Yeah. I mean, that's," }, { "start": 523.22, "end": 529.66, "text": " that, that what you just said is 100% accurate. Right. Medically accurate. But I, I'm just" }, { "start": 529.66, "end": 535.5799999999999, "text": " wondering what do you get? I mean, you use the phones, right? You saw them. Do you feel" }, { "start": 535.5799999999999, "end": 540.66, "text": " that he has the stuff to back up his, his talk? Does he, do they make the best phones?" }, { "start": 540.66, "end": 544.2199999999999, "text": " Are they better than Samsung phones? I mean, so the Ascend Mate has a 6.1 inch screen," }, { "start": 544.2199999999999, "end": 547.4599999999999, "text": " right? It's not going to be the, it's certainly not going to be the best phone for everyone" }, { "start": 547.4599999999999, "end": 554.4599999999999, "text": " in the world. Anyone with pockets, for example. But I mean, it's the quality I would say is" }, { "start": 554.46, "end": 561.1, "text": " from what I, from what I used, it seems like comparable to a Samsung phone or something." }, { "start": 561.1, "end": 565.46, "text": " It's they're plastic-y. They're not, they're not like super, super high end, but they feel" }, { "start": 565.46, "end": 572.1800000000001, "text": " pretty good. They don't flex or anything. And I mean, the real issue is they're not" }, { "start": 572.1800000000001, "end": 579.1800000000001, "text": " going to be sold in the US. And. That's because the US perceives Huawei as a potential spy" }, { "start": 579.1800000000001, "end": 584.26, "text": " threat. Well, this is the thing. He says that. I'm not making that up. I'm not just being" }, { "start": 584.26, "end": 590.06, "text": " racist or something. That's, that's the, the, there's some concern that they are going to" }, { "start": 590.06, "end": 594.14, "text": " infiltrate the United States. No, and he, there's been potential investigation. He absolutely" }, { "start": 594.14, "end": 598.38, "text": " said that. And he said, he said that US carriers, he'd spoken with them. They're trying to build" }, { "start": 598.38, "end": 602.5, "text": " a relationship and carriers actually like Huawei's products, but he says that there" }, { "start": 602.5, "end": 607.16, "text": " is influence from the US government and that there are trust issues and they need to work." }, { "start": 607.16, "end": 612.42, "text": " They really need to sort of work hard to get Huawei as an accepted brand, as a trusted" }, { "start": 612.42, "end": 617.9399999999999, "text": " company in the US. Do you, what do you make of his Steve Jobs comment? I mean, the Steve" }, { "start": 617.9399999999999, "end": 622.42, "text": " Jobs comment, he, so the actual comment, he said, Steve Jobs is gone. Now there is a lack" }, { "start": 622.42, "end": 627.38, "text": " of innovation. And I mean, basically he's trying to put the phones in the same conversation" }, { "start": 627.38, "end": 634.02, "text": " as Apple. I mean, right. I mean, is he trying to draw, he's saying, and thank God we're," }, { "start": 634.02, "end": 639.9, "text": " Huawei is here to deliver the kind of innovation that Steve Jobs would have delivered. Well," }, { "start": 639.9, "end": 645.5799999999999, "text": " like a 6.1 inch phone. Exactly. I mean, Tim Cook is clearly incapable of delivering a" }, { "start": 645.5799999999999, "end": 648.9399999999999, "text": " 6.1 inch phone. What is their skin called? What is the name of their skin? Emotion UI." }, { "start": 648.9399999999999, "end": 655.78, "text": " Emotion UI. Did you feel moved by it? I was not moved. I will say one, one thing that" }, { "start": 655.78, "end": 660.9399999999999, "text": " I thought was a great idea. You have this 6.1 inch phone, but there's like a one handed" }, { "start": 660.9399999999999, "end": 665.9399999999999, "text": " mode. So they, they shrink the keyboard down and they shrink the keypad down to sort of" }, { "start": 665.94, "end": 670.1400000000001, "text": " go into the bottom left or the bottom right corner. So you can actually use this gigantic" }, { "start": 670.1400000000001, "end": 676.3800000000001, "text": " phone in one hand fairly comfortably. I mean, it's still, you certainly can't cover the" }, { "start": 676.3800000000001, "end": 680.98, "text": " whole screen with your thumb like you can with an iPhone, for example. But it's a pretty" }, { "start": 680.98, "end": 685.58, "text": " thoughtful innovation. They've clearly thought, it's not like Samsung, for example, who just," }, { "start": 685.58, "end": 690.3800000000001, "text": " like they release the Galaxy Note, they blow up the Android UI to a huge screen. Huawei" }, { "start": 690.3800000000001, "end": 693.94, "text": " has actually thought about how people might use this device and I was quite impressed" }, { "start": 693.94, "end": 699.6600000000001, "text": " with that. So it sounds like we've got at least one new Huawei fan in the world, Sam." }, { "start": 699.6600000000001, "end": 703.7, "text": " Yes, well, I'm a con-vet. What can I say? Yeah. All right, well, we've got to move on," }, { "start": 703.7, "end": 707.7, "text": " but Sam, thanks for joining us. Did you, was there anything that you had there? No, that's" }, { "start": 707.7, "end": 711.58, "text": " about it. Sam, thanks for joining us and we'll see you later in the trailer for cocktails." }, { "start": 711.58, "end": 715.4200000000001, "text": " Thanks a lot. What I find interesting, this is, well, the historical thing. I feel like" }, { "start": 715.4200000000001, "end": 717.7800000000001, "text": " Huawei could be at the point where HTC was years and years ago. No, absolutely. They're" }, { "start": 717.7800000000001, "end": 721.86, "text": " just about to push it. No, I agree with you 100%. I just think that what I've seen of" }, { "start": 721.86, "end": 727.14, "text": " their products, there's nothing notable about their products. They feel completely anonymous." }, { "start": 727.14, "end": 733.0600000000001, "text": " HTC actually had started pushing a really interesting and aggressive and different industrial" }, { "start": 733.0600000000001, "end": 736.98, "text": " design. They started doing something that made you go, wait a second, whoa, these guys" }, { "start": 736.98, "end": 740.46, "text": " are making really nice phones. They started doing Sense when, before there was really" }, { "start": 740.46, "end": 745.7, "text": " an idea of, I mean, they'd been doing Sense, it was originally called, what was it called?" }, { "start": 745.7, "end": 749.7, "text": " I don't remember. It had a different name. Anyhow, the point is maybe it was just called" }, { "start": 749.7, "end": 754.46, "text": " Sense. They were doing Skinning on Windows Mobile and they brought that to Android. That" }, { "start": 754.46, "end": 760.4200000000001, "text": " was really the start of this whole Skinning fad, Skinning trend. I think they had some" }, { "start": 760.4200000000001, "end": 764.0200000000001, "text": " real stuff to bring to the table. Huawei is just a me too. They're like, oh, you did a" }, { "start": 764.0200000000001, "end": 769.26, "text": " big phone? We did a big phone. You guys have a, it's got pen input? We have a pen input." }, { "start": 769.26, "end": 771.26, "text": " You're going to do Windows phone? We've got a Windows phone." }, { "start": 771.26, "end": 773.9000000000001, "text": " It's just so interesting when these companies, they're big companies and make a lot of money." }, { "start": 773.9000000000001, "end": 777.3000000000001, "text": " HTC was one of those, they were doing phones for other people, really kind of cow-town" }, { "start": 777.3, "end": 782.06, "text": " where their carriers wanted and get the branding. But now Huawei wants to be its own company," }, { "start": 782.06, "end": 786.3, "text": " wants to have its brand in front. No matter how big they are, that's a huge struggle." }, { "start": 786.3, "end": 791.66, "text": " It's funny, they can't do it. I got to tell you, Huawei's got an uphill battle with that" }, { "start": 791.66, "end": 798.7199999999999, "text": " name in America. If we still are unsure, if we still are messing it up, average Americans" }, { "start": 798.7199999999999, "end": 803.3399999999999, "text": " are not going to, that's just a nightmare. They just need to change the name to a W or" }, { "start": 803.3399999999999, "end": 806.8599999999999, "text": " something. All right, well, we should move on. I'm going to try this card one more time." }, { "start": 806.86, "end": 812.7, "text": " There we go. That was not bad. That was a straight shot. Straight toward Michael Shane's" }, { "start": 812.7, "end": 817.42, "text": " head. It almost took off Michael's face, almost took off his eyes. Hey, buddy, I've got plenty" }, { "start": 817.42, "end": 822.82, "text": " more of these. Just watch it. What else? Anyway, we're going to get that. This is a cool report" }, { "start": 822.82, "end": 827.98, "text": " from yesterday. Chris Ziegler risked life and limb to let a car park itself while he" }, { "start": 827.98, "end": 833.58, "text": " sat in the passenger seat crying. This is awesome. This to me is really futuristic." }, { "start": 833.58, "end": 838.46, "text": " So much the future. Yeah, check out this video, Chris Ziegler and Audi. When we come back," }, { "start": 838.46, "end": 844.22, "text": " Chris Grant. Nice. Yes. This is Chris Ziegler with The Verge, and I am in the passenger" }, { "start": 844.22, "end": 849.34, "text": " seat of this car. I'm not driving. Why not? Because it's Audi's self-driving car. You'll" }, { "start": 849.34, "end": 852.7, "text": " notice that there's nobody in the driver's seat. We're about to go on a wild ride through" }, { "start": 852.7, "end": 857.0600000000001, "text": " the parking garage of the Mandarin Oriental. Got some sensors set up around here. These" }, { "start": 857.0600000000001, "end": 861.94, "text": " are laser scanners that help the car figure out where to go, and then it goes on a short" }, { "start": 861.94, "end": 868.5400000000001, "text": " path, maybe a hundred, 150 feet out to the front. We get out, then the car turns around." }, { "start": 868.5400000000001, "end": 871.98, "text": " That part has to be done by hand with a real driver. And then we drive back in and the" }, { "start": 871.98, "end": 878.0200000000001, "text": " car backs into the spot. It's a little scary. This is our robot overlord future in action." }, { "start": 878.02, "end": 885.02, "text": " It's happening right here in Las Vegas. I'm a little terrified. Let's see how this goes." }, { "start": 908.02, "end": 915.02, "text": " So, it's slow. This is not like a Google car. This is not like the car that Lexus introduced" }, { "start": 915.22, "end": 920.46, "text": " yesterday. This is going five miles an hour through a preset course. Audi plans on getting" }, { "start": 920.46, "end": 924.18, "text": " there. They want to get to a full, like, highway experience. In fact, they're only the second" }, { "start": 924.18, "end": 929.78, "text": " automaker to have permission in the state of Nevada to drive on highways with self-driving" }, { "start": 929.78, "end": 934.42, "text": " cars. But this is not that. This is just to help you park the car without having to be" }, { "start": 934.42, "end": 938.6999999999999, "text": " in it. Imagine you're at a mall, you're at some sort of shopping center, pull out your" }, { "start": 938.6999999999999, "end": 943.42, "text": " smartphone, hit a button, the car comes and picks you up. That's what this is. So, it's" }, { "start": 943.42, "end": 948.42, "text": " pretty awesome. I'm not going to lie. For the time being, I'm okay driving the car myself." }, { "start": 948.42, "end": 953.54, "text": " Parking really isn't that big of a deal. But, you know, if I have to pay another 100, 200" }, { "start": 953.54, "end": 957.5799999999999, "text": " bucks to get this feature on my next car, I might do it. Audi's thinking 10 years out" }, { "start": 957.5799999999999, "end": 961.5799999999999, "text": " for this. So, we'll see how that goes. All right, Audi. Let's go back to the convention" }, { "start": 961.58, "end": 972.1800000000001, "text": " center. And we're back with Chris Grant, editor-in-chief of Polygon.com and world-renowned hip-hop" }, { "start": 972.1800000000001, "end": 979.3000000000001, "text": " dancer. Look it up. That's crazy. Before we get into talking about valve and theme and" }, { "start": 979.3000000000001, "end": 984.46, "text": " steam and valve, can they come up with some other less mechanical? It's fine. It's their" }, { "start": 984.46, "end": 989.5400000000001, "text": " thing. What were you just saying about the auto parking? The auto auto parking. All this" }, { "start": 989.54, "end": 992.5799999999999, "text": " effort, you see a lot of times these cars that can auto park or parallel park. It's" }, { "start": 992.5799999999999, "end": 1000.06, "text": " like just learn to parallel park. This car can also, this can come and drive up to you," }, { "start": 1000.06, "end": 1004.3399999999999, "text": " right? That's the other thing. It can leave the space and come to you. That's some Batmobile" }, { "start": 1004.3399999999999, "end": 1009.9399999999999, "text": " stuff. That's pretty cool. To which you would say, just learn to walk. Also, get a pair" }, { "start": 1009.9399999999999, "end": 1013.9399999999999, "text": " of shoes. Look, if, you know, we'd still be in the caves, Chris. I feel like we talked" }, { "start": 1013.9399999999999, "end": 1019.3399999999999, "text": " about this last night. But, anyhow, we have you here because we want to talk about valve." }, { "start": 1019.34, "end": 1022.34, "text": " Before we talk about valve, do you want to talk about Oculus at all? We've been talking" }, { "start": 1022.34, "end": 1025.82, "text": " about all of them. Yeah, we can talk about Oculus. And last night. Maybe you didn't see" }, { "start": 1025.82, "end": 1031.1000000000001, "text": " it last night or hear about it. I tweeted about it. We had a magical experience here." }, { "start": 1031.1000000000001, "end": 1036.82, "text": " We had a chance to play with the Oculus Rift, which is a virtual reality headset that was" }, { "start": 1036.82, "end": 1040.42, "text": " a Kickstarter project, which is now, there it is right there. As soon as you say that," }, { "start": 1040.42, "end": 1046.22, "text": " it's like, don't go. No, really. Yeah. We've been talking about it. It was like nonstop," }, { "start": 1046.22, "end": 1049.94, "text": " 24 hours straight now because we actually got to try this in the trailer. And it is" }, { "start": 1049.94, "end": 1056.46, "text": " an incredible, totally futuristic, cutting edge, breathtaking, exhilarating experience." }, { "start": 1056.46, "end": 1063.06, "text": " And Chris and I both had our first eyes on, if you will, with the Oculus Rift. Really?" }, { "start": 1063.06, "end": 1069.74, "text": " Yeah. And it was crazy. I mean, what's your take on it? I think it was, I think it was" }, { "start": 1069.74, "end": 1072.98, "text": " the promise of virtual reality that we've heard for a long time. It was the first time" }, { "start": 1072.98, "end": 1078.1, "text": " I've had a 3D gaming experience that I thought was worth anything. Yeah. Like a 3D TV with" }, { "start": 1078.1, "end": 1081.42, "text": " gaming, I don't care. It doesn't do anything. It really, the first thing, and I think they" }, { "start": 1081.42, "end": 1084.18, "text": " did the same thing for both of us. They tell you when you first put it on, they tell you" }, { "start": 1084.18, "end": 1087.9, "text": " to look, to turn around all the way around. You can turn your head all the way as far" }, { "start": 1087.9, "end": 1093.46, "text": " as it can go. And it just feels like you're looking behind you. You know? And, oh, here" }, { "start": 1093.46, "end": 1097.66, "text": " it is. Here's some, here's some footage from it. This is the top shelf. On the, on the," }, { "start": 1097.66, "end": 1104.42, "text": " I mean, nothing can do it justice. I mean, you can't, but look at, but look at when you" }, { "start": 1104.42, "end": 1111.46, "text": " see the motion of the, of the game here, look at how much more real that looks than what" }, { "start": 1111.46, "end": 1114.94, "text": " you normally experience in a game, the way you're moving around. Because when you move" }, { "start": 1114.94, "end": 1119.42, "text": " around with the controller, you're very metered in the control. When this thing is on your" }, { "start": 1119.42, "end": 1122.72, "text": " head, you can, it actually looks more like a handheld camera. It was the craziest thing." }, { "start": 1122.72, "end": 1125.8200000000002, "text": " The way the footage is moving. When we had it on, they kept asking us to roll our heads," }, { "start": 1125.82, "end": 1130.58, "text": " you know, like this. Yeah. Because it, it rolls. You can like, it's not a camera angle" }, { "start": 1130.58, "end": 1134.22, "text": " you're used to seeing in games where you sort of have a horizon. Right. I mean, you can," }, { "start": 1134.22, "end": 1139.1399999999999, "text": " you know, it's, you start to do things like peek around corners. They had, they did this" }, { "start": 1139.1399999999999, "end": 1143.34, "text": " thing where they had, there was some sparks flying off of them. They showed the sparks." }, { "start": 1143.34, "end": 1146.78, "text": " It actually was even more interesting. This just sounds like the hippiest thing. I was" }, { "start": 1146.78, "end": 1150.7, "text": " like, I just watched a fan for like a minute. It was just like, the fact that you can look" }, { "start": 1150.7, "end": 1154.34, "text": " up at anything. What I thought was interesting was not just the sparks falling down, you" }, { "start": 1154.34, "end": 1158.34, "text": " know, as you're up underneath it, but there was this little area, this little vent area" }, { "start": 1158.34, "end": 1163.06, "text": " next to it that you could kind of look into. And it just felt like I'm looking into something" }, { "start": 1163.06, "end": 1168.34, "text": " in reality. And yeah, it's a really, really incredible product. They're starting to sell," }, { "start": 1168.34, "end": 1174.34, "text": " they're selling dev kits for it, which include the goggles for 300 bucks. Right. I don't" }, { "start": 1174.34, "end": 1178.9399999999998, "text": " think they have a price yet. No, I think, I don't know. I don't know the price, but" }, { "start": 1178.9399999999998, "end": 1182.6999999999998, "text": " I think it's going to be affordable. It's amazing. I mean, I think there's some, there's" }, { "start": 1182.7, "end": 1185.54, "text": " been some chatter. I'm not sure. And it's amazing. Like what we saw was like very low" }, { "start": 1185.54, "end": 1189.94, "text": " resolution, but it's still incredibly immersive because it's super responsive. Like it's complete" }, { "start": 1189.94, "end": 1192.94, "text": " depth of field. You can't see like the black bars that take you out of the experience." }, { "start": 1192.94, "end": 1196.3, "text": " It's really something. And I think that when you think about gaming and we're talking a" }, { "start": 1196.3, "end": 1200.22, "text": " lot here about gaming, which is, you know, this valve stuff is why you're sitting here." }, { "start": 1200.22, "end": 1204.1000000000001, "text": " You know, this is another piece of that puzzle that when you start to think about all these" }, { "start": 1204.1000000000001, "end": 1209.8400000000001, "text": " pieces we're putting together, you know, technology in general looks exciting, but gaming especially" }, { "start": 1209.84, "end": 1214.98, "text": " is getting really weird and cool and interesting. It is. So let's talk about valve. It is an" }, { "start": 1214.98, "end": 1218.74, "text": " interesting story here because there's no public presence. But I think it's actually" }, { "start": 1218.74, "end": 1223.02, "text": " one of the most interesting stories of CES. And they were at CES last year as well. Right." }, { "start": 1223.02, "end": 1228.52, "text": " And in fact, when we talked about the Steam Box, the rumor of the Steam Box, what we heard" }, { "start": 1228.52, "end": 1233.58, "text": " was at the CES, at the last CES, they were showing this kind of reference hardware to" }, { "start": 1233.58, "end": 1237.22, "text": " people and saying, this is what we want to build. Yeah, to partners and manufacturers." }, { "start": 1237.22, "end": 1240.6200000000001, "text": " Exactly. Right. And now we like, now they're being way more open about like they're meeting" }, { "start": 1240.6200000000001, "end": 1245.9, "text": " with hardware partners. They're setting the outlines. Gabe Newell, Valve CEO, and basically" }, { "start": 1245.9, "end": 1249.58, "text": " just the forward presence of the company, sat down with us for about 45 minutes and" }, { "start": 1249.58, "end": 1253.06, "text": " just kind of outlined everything they're doing. What is the Steam Box? What are they being" }, { "start": 1253.06, "end": 1258.42, "text": " very controlling of? What do they want partners to do? Yeah. And it's, it's broad, it's far" }, { "start": 1258.42, "end": 1263.7, "text": " reaching. The general gist, like the poetic version of this is good, better, best. Yeah." }, { "start": 1263.7, "end": 1269.18, "text": " Good is a $99 console. It does local streaming, you know. Better is this tightly controlled." }, { "start": 1269.18, "end": 1272.5800000000002, "text": " This is the specs we want. It's a $300 box. If you want to do it with us, we kind of tell" }, { "start": 1272.5800000000002, "end": 1277.14, "text": " you what it is. Yeah. And best is anything you want. Like is- Right. You want to build," }, { "start": 1277.14, "end": 1282.7, "text": " you want to build your own mega system and turn it into a Steam Box. No problem. Exactly." }, { "start": 1282.7, "end": 1286.06, "text": " There'll be like disk drives. They said, you know, manufacturers want to put disk drives" }, { "start": 1286.06, "end": 1289.1000000000001, "text": " in, but they're allowed. They're expensive. They increase the size of the box. So it's" }, { "start": 1289.1000000000001, "end": 1292.42, "text": " like, that's kind of on the high end. Right. Right. Right. I mean, I think it's, I think" }, { "start": 1292.42, "end": 1296.9, "text": " it's brilliant. I mean, what, what, you know, my question is, does this have, can this have" }, { "start": 1296.9, "end": 1301.1000000000001, "text": " an impact on, on the, on the community, on the gaming community as it is now on the industry?" }, { "start": 1301.1000000000001, "end": 1308.5800000000002, "text": " I mean, we've got some pretty entrenched players, right? Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft. They're" }, { "start": 1308.5800000000002, "end": 1314.7, "text": " obviously not going anywhere anytime soon. So how does the Steam Box matter? Can it matter" }, { "start": 1314.7, "end": 1319.7, "text": " on a grand scale or is this much more of a niche product? I think it's going to be, it'll" }, { "start": 1319.7, "end": 1324.5800000000002, "text": " be interesting. You see PC gaming kind of growing in popularity right now for a couple" }, { "start": 1324.5800000000002, "end": 1327.3, "text": " reasons. One, we're at the end of a console life cycle. A lot of people are looking for" }, { "start": 1327.3, "end": 1332.74, "text": " something new and exciting and more powerful and you're seeing it on PCs. If you compare" }, { "start": 1332.74, "end": 1337.9, "text": " Far Cry 3 on a PC to Far Cry 3 on your Xbox, it's kind of night and day. It looks incredible" }, { "start": 1337.9, "end": 1342.24, "text": " on a computer. Indie games. There's all these indie games coming out that are overwhelmingly" }, { "start": 1342.24, "end": 1349.22, "text": " on PC if they're not on your phone. And a lot of those games don't come to your console." }, { "start": 1349.22, "end": 1353.46, "text": " So if you have a box or device that makes it easier to play that stuff, you can play" }, { "start": 1353.46, "end": 1357.5, "text": " it on your television in your living room. Valve told me yesterday that it was their" }, { "start": 1357.5, "end": 1360.98, "text": " customers that told them they wanted the Steam Box, that they wanted to play their games" }, { "start": 1360.98, "end": 1364.66, "text": " in their living room. They're doing it. They already have an Xbox. So Valve is in a lot" }, { "start": 1364.66, "end": 1367.98, "text": " of ways reacting to what their customers already do. They already play games in their living" }, { "start": 1367.98, "end": 1372.06, "text": " room. So the question is how do you make the PC experience work in the living room? And" }, { "start": 1372.06, "end": 1375.98, "text": " that's what they're trying to do. I mean, to me, and I'm obviously not the core audience" }, { "start": 1375.98, "end": 1384.8, "text": " of a specialist, but I really love the idea of, look, I don't want a game on a desktop." }, { "start": 1384.8, "end": 1390.34, "text": " I want to sit down with my big TV, with the great sound in my living room, and play games." }, { "start": 1390.34, "end": 1394.08, "text": " But if I had the opportunity to play better looking games, more immersive games, games" }, { "start": 1394.08, "end": 1398.66, "text": " that are bigger because there's no limitation on what you can do or how big it can be." }, { "start": 1398.66, "end": 1400.2, "text": " Games that are cheaper, right?" }, { "start": 1400.2, "end": 1404.38, "text": " And cheaper and of a wider variety in the sense that there's no barrier. It's a real" }, { "start": 1404.38, "end": 1411.8200000000002, "text": " barrier to entry for developers. To me, that sounds like a dream come true. I mean, I would" }, { "start": 1411.8200000000002, "end": 1418.22, "text": " love to stick that under my TV and use it. I feel like there's got to be a market for" }, { "start": 1418.22, "end": 1422.24, "text": " that. I think that it's going to be about, some of this is going to be about the games." }, { "start": 1422.24, "end": 1425.24, "text": " They need to deliver something." }, { "start": 1425.24, "end": 1427.18, "text": " This is your pitch for Valve to do another Half-Life." }, { "start": 1427.18, "end": 1432.1000000000001, "text": " They need to do Half-Life. They need to do the third Half-Life. And that doesn't sound" }, { "start": 1432.1, "end": 1438.86, "text": " right. And make it exclusive to this thing. Or just do a bigger game than anybody's done" }, { "start": 1438.86, "end": 1439.86, "text": " before. A better game." }, { "start": 1439.86, "end": 1443.82, "text": " Do you think the Steam Box is going to live outside of Steam or just be another extension" }, { "start": 1443.82, "end": 1447.86, "text": " of the platform? I don't imagine them fragmenting in any way. I think it's like..." }, { "start": 1447.86, "end": 1452.54, "text": " No, I mean, they'll have to. They're not going to not make it available to all of the users," }, { "start": 1452.54, "end": 1458.06, "text": " obviously. I just think that there needs to be some incentive for me to go, all right." }, { "start": 1458.06, "end": 1460.9399999999998, "text": " For me, there is incentive. But for the broader audience, I think you need to say, how can" }, { "start": 1460.94, "end": 1465.5, "text": " you do it? I'm just really excited that there is the opportunity for this innovation. I" }, { "start": 1465.5, "end": 1470.18, "text": " think we were talking about what led to the... Before the show started, we were talking" }, { "start": 1470.18, "end": 1476.8600000000001, "text": " about what led to the Oculus Rift. And about this global situation with cheaper parts," }, { "start": 1476.8600000000001, "end": 1484.02, "text": " better parts, open source really taking over, really becoming mainstream in many ways with" }, { "start": 1484.02, "end": 1488.22, "text": " Android. And I think this is a product of that in many ways. Not of Android, but of" }, { "start": 1488.22, "end": 1493.34, "text": " just this feeling that this stuff is cheap enough, it's easy enough. There's an audience" }, { "start": 1493.34, "end": 1497.5, "text": " there that really cares about it because the technology or the gaming audience has grown" }, { "start": 1497.5, "end": 1502.54, "text": " so big and so mainstream. I think it's really exciting time for this stuff." }, { "start": 1502.54, "end": 1506.64, "text": " Exactly. Here's something else that was interesting about what he got into with that. Not so much" }, { "start": 1506.64, "end": 1510.9, "text": " just that we're going to go on the big screen, but this is our chance to say, we're not necessarily" }, { "start": 1510.9, "end": 1513.78, "text": " happy with the keyboard and mouse. We're not necessarily happy with the gamepad. We want" }, { "start": 1513.78, "end": 1518.1000000000001, "text": " to find a new way of really interfacing with these games. Really thinking long and hard." }, { "start": 1518.1, "end": 1521.82, "text": " It's definitely not motion. He's not a huge fan of Kinect, but there was a long talk about" }, { "start": 1521.82, "end": 1526.86, "text": " biometrics. The idea that your wrist kind of tells what you're about to do. It actually" }, { "start": 1526.86, "end": 1527.86, "text": " makes it faster." }, { "start": 1527.86, "end": 1531.3, "text": " They've been... I mean, this is true, Chris. Valve has been working on... They've been" }, { "start": 1531.3, "end": 1533.26, "text": " experimenting a lot from what we understand." }, { "start": 1533.26, "end": 1537.74, "text": " Valve is a company that likes to experiment. They're a private company. They've got basically" }, { "start": 1537.74, "end": 1543.78, "text": " one owner. They are really rich. I think it's the highest grossing company per employee" }, { "start": 1543.78, "end": 1544.78, "text": " in the country." }, { "start": 1544.78, "end": 1545.78, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 1545.78, "end": 1546.78, "text": " In the world, yeah." }, { "start": 1546.78, "end": 1547.78, "text": " That's crazy." }, { "start": 1547.78, "end": 1548.78, "text": " That's crazy." }, { "start": 1548.78, "end": 1553.54, "text": " They have the luxury of taking all the time in the world on the Steam box where it's rumored" }, { "start": 1553.54, "end": 1558.26, "text": " for a year and they're like, we're not in a rush. They have a whole team that's doing" }, { "start": 1558.26, "end": 1563.82, "text": " R&D on things like biometrics. They have a whole team that's doing work on..." }, { "start": 1563.82, "end": 1565.78, "text": " Is this actually going right past me?" }, { "start": 1565.78, "end": 1571.06, "text": " Guys, I got to go. Sorry. I got to just jump out. They have a whole team that's doing work" }, { "start": 1571.06, "end": 1575.52, "text": " on education in gaming and figuring out how we can use games to work in education. Why?" }, { "start": 1575.52, "end": 1579.9, "text": " Because they're interested in it. I think they said one person basically could ship" }, { "start": 1579.9, "end": 1584.02, "text": " a product at Valve. Normally it's as little as three. You could shoot some buy-ins. There's" }, { "start": 1584.02, "end": 1590.26, "text": " almost no bureaucracy. There's almost no organizational structure. If you're a person at Valve, Greg" }, { "start": 1590.26, "end": 1593.1, "text": " Coomer who started Big Picture which became Steam Box..." }, { "start": 1593.1, "end": 1597.82, "text": " You guys have a piece of him that went up this morning. You should check it out." }, { "start": 1597.82, "end": 1598.82, "text": " Coomer..." }, { "start": 1598.82, "end": 1599.82, "text": " Sorry." }, { "start": 1599.82, "end": 1600.82, "text": " So Greg Coomer..." }, { "start": 1600.82, "end": 1604.3, "text": " I'm so choked up about this piece you ran. It was amazing." }, { "start": 1604.3, "end": 1608.74, "text": " So he started... It was basically his idea. He was one of the first champions and he just" }, { "start": 1608.74, "end": 1612.46, "text": " had to convince a couple other people at Valve that this was a good enough idea. As soon" }, { "start": 1612.46, "end": 1615.86, "text": " as you have some buy-in from a couple people, now you've got a project that the company" }, { "start": 1615.86, "end": 1620.3, "text": " can officially sanction. So Big Picture started about two years ago and has grown into this" }, { "start": 1620.3, "end": 1626.74, "text": " effort, the Steam Box effort. The most interesting thing is that the Steam Box effort isn't just" }, { "start": 1626.74, "end": 1631.6, "text": " this idea of partnering with outside hardware manufacturers and trying to get... Almost outsource" }, { "start": 1631.6, "end": 1637.6999999999998, "text": " the work and convince the Alienwares of the world or the Xi3s of the world to create a" }, { "start": 1637.6999999999998, "end": 1642.6599999999999, "text": " Steam Box for you. But Valve itself wants to make one. I think Gabe was pretty specific" }, { "start": 1642.6599999999999, "end": 1645.6999999999998, "text": " when he said, we're going to make one. We're going to ship it. It's going to have Linux" }, { "start": 1645.6999999999998, "end": 1651.78, "text": " on it. If you want to put Windows on it, you can. And that's kind of a crazy idea, right?" }, { "start": 1651.78, "end": 1652.78, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1652.78, "end": 1653.78, "text": " Valve's not a hardware company." }, { "start": 1653.78, "end": 1658.78, "text": " Yeah. It's a really exciting development, I think. And I'm just glad that they're now" }, { "start": 1658.78, "end": 1662.18, "text": " talking about it. Because I think there are all these rumors. We talked about it. You" }, { "start": 1662.18, "end": 1666.18, "text": " guys have talked about it a ton. And it's like, just say if you're doing something or" }, { "start": 1666.18, "end": 1668.1399999999999, "text": " not. Give us some sense of what's happening." }, { "start": 1668.1399999999999, "end": 1671.74, "text": " That gets down to the idea that Valve as a private company doesn't need to market it." }, { "start": 1671.74, "end": 1674.34, "text": " They don't have the same effort where it's like, okay, now we're going to tease it. We're" }, { "start": 1674.34, "end": 1678.34, "text": " going to announce it. We're going to have a big event. They're just kind of like..." }, { "start": 1678.34, "end": 1683.78, "text": " Right. Maybe we would not even be having this conversation had we not harassed Gabe into" }, { "start": 1683.78, "end": 1686.1, "text": " giving us this interview, essentially." }, { "start": 1686.1, "end": 1688.1, "text": " Yeah. It's luck of the draw." }, { "start": 1688.1, "end": 1690.1, "text": " Anyhow, I think we need to move on." }, { "start": 1690.1, "end": 1691.1, "text": " We do need to move on." }, { "start": 1691.1, "end": 1694.1, "text": " Unfortunately, I would like... I mean, Chris was actually on the Vergecast last night," }, { "start": 1694.1, "end": 1699.1, "text": " and I thought it was brilliant, brilliant performance on the Vergecast. And I would" }, { "start": 1699.1, "end": 1701.1, "text": " like you to spend the rest of the day talking to you." }, { "start": 1701.1, "end": 1702.1, "text": " So when we're done here..." }, { "start": 1702.1, "end": 1703.1, "text": " Cancel my voice." }, { "start": 1703.1, "end": 1708.1, "text": " Please do. But thanks for coming on. And you're here for the rest of the show, right?" }, { "start": 1708.1, "end": 1709.1, "text": " I think so. Just hanging out." }, { "start": 1709.1, "end": 1711.1, "text": " You're going to see more of Chris Grant." }, { "start": 1711.1, "end": 1714.1, "text": " And the Vergecast is awesome. You can catch it on the Video Hero. It's still there. Vergecast" }, { "start": 1714.1, "end": 1717.1, "text": " will come back tonight, tomorrow night, every single night until we get back." }, { "start": 1717.1, "end": 1723.1, "text": " Vergecast is like a vampire that you can't even stake it in the heart. It doesn't have" }, { "start": 1723.1, "end": 1724.1, "text": " a heart." }, { "start": 1724.1, "end": 1725.1, "text": " And this would be vampire..." }, { "start": 1725.1, "end": 1726.1, "text": " Because its heart was broken." }, { "start": 1726.1, "end": 1727.1, "text": " And this is vampire weekday, of course." }, { "start": 1727.1, "end": 1728.1, "text": " By its vampire girlfriend." }, { "start": 1728.1, "end": 1732.1, "text": " Right. We also have Top Shelf in the afternoon, 90 and 95 times a day." }, { "start": 1732.1, "end": 1734.1, "text": " First. Tomorrow is our last first?" }, { "start": 1734.1, "end": 1736.1, "text": " Tomorrow is our last first." }, { "start": 1736.1, "end": 1737.1, "text": " Is that right? Oh, man." }, { "start": 1737.1, "end": 1738.1, "text": " Well, last first of CES." }, { "start": 1738.1, "end": 1742.1, "text": " Last first of CES. But how are we going to celebrate? We need to really think hard." }, { "start": 1742.1, "end": 1743.1, "text": " By the way, we'll take suggestions..." }, { "start": 1743.1, "end": 1744.1, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 1744.1, "end": 1747.1, "text": "...on ways to celebrate our final first of CES." }, { "start": 1747.1, "end": 1748.1, "text": " First last." }, { "start": 1748.1, "end": 1749.1, "text": " First last. Last first." }, { "start": 1749.1, "end": 1750.1, "text": " Last first." }, { "start": 1750.1, "end": 1751.1, "text": " First last. Last first." }, { "start": 1751.1, "end": 1754.1, "text": " First last, first last. If you have any ideas on how to actually even say that, it would" }, { "start": 1754.1, "end": 1755.1, "text": " be great." }, { "start": 1755.1, "end": 1756.1, "text": " Yeah, that would be really terrific." }, { "start": 1756.1, "end": 1759.1, "text": " Anyway, those are shows. We have day two of the show floor. We're going to really look" }, { "start": 1759.1, "end": 1760.1, "text": " at the weird..." }, { "start": 1760.1, "end": 1763.1, "text": " Yeah, there's going to be more news today. We're out on the show floor. This is the day" }, { "start": 1763.1, "end": 1767.1, "text": " where we really start to find the stuff that you haven't heard about yet that maybe you" }, { "start": 1767.1, "end": 1769.1, "text": " didn't see a press conference on or that you know..." }, { "start": 1769.1, "end": 1773.1, "text": " And here's one if you don't watch CES stuff in the years past. You might have seen it." }, { "start": 1773.1, "end": 1776.1, "text": " But we got Dante Dorazio, one of our star reporters in New York." }, { "start": 1776.1, "end": 1777.1, "text": " This is our weird thing." }, { "start": 1777.1, "end": 1781.1, "text": " This is our very weird... Well, just check it out." }, { "start": 1781.1, "end": 1783.1, "text": " Yeah, a face cake. It's called face cake." }, { "start": 1783.1, "end": 1784.1, "text": " Face cake." }, { "start": 1786.1, "end": 1792.1, "text": " I've just stepped into a dress here at CES 2013. This is our virtual signage prototype" }, { "start": 1792.1, "end": 1798.1, "text": " that they have here from face cake. It's called the face cake swivel. We saw this last year," }, { "start": 1798.1, "end": 1804.1, "text": " but what this is using is a connect, and they've designed this to... 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[ { "start": 0, "end": 25.44, "text": " Hello and welcome to our second episode of Top Shelf, our show about all the gadgets" }, { "start": 25.44, "end": 30.880000000000003, "text": " and weird things and robots and spiders that we found here at CES." }, { "start": 30.880000000000003, "end": 33.08, "text": " Show floor is open so we have all kinds of stuff to talk about." }, { "start": 33.08, "end": 35.56, "text": " I'm here with my co-host, Neelay Patel." }, { "start": 35.56, "end": 36.56, "text": " Hello." }, { "start": 36.56, "end": 38.28, "text": " This show is also about conspiracy theories." }, { "start": 38.28, "end": 40.120000000000005, "text": " It's also mostly about conspiracy theories." }, { "start": 40.120000000000005, "end": 42.96, "text": " I feel like I have really wild hair today so my hobo effect is like..." }, { "start": 42.96, "end": 44.96, "text": " So you have like extra conspiracies now?" }, { "start": 44.96, "end": 45.96, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 45.96, "end": 46.96, "text": " You got some sleep last night though." }, { "start": 46.96, "end": 47.96, "text": " I did." }, { "start": 47.96, "end": 48.96, "text": " I slept a lot." }, { "start": 48.96, "end": 49.96, "text": " You had more time to think about conspiracy theories." }, { "start": 49.96, "end": 50.96, "text": " I drank beer until I passed out." }, { "start": 50.96, "end": 51.96, "text": " CES!" }, { "start": 51.96, "end": 52.96, "text": " That worked!" }, { "start": 52.96, "end": 55.28, "text": " I wander the streets of Vegas." }, { "start": 55.28, "end": 56.28, "text": " That's good." }, { "start": 56.28, "end": 57.28, "text": " I fell asleep on the ground." }, { "start": 57.28, "end": 58.28, "text": " I mean that's like Vegas." }, { "start": 58.28, "end": 59.28, "text": " That's what you're supposed to do in Vegas." }, { "start": 59.28, "end": 60.28, "text": " That's good." }, { "start": 60.28, "end": 61.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 61.28, "end": 64.12, "text": " My cab drivers, I get in and they're like, where are you going to end up tonight?" }, { "start": 64.12, "end": 65.12, "text": " That's always their first question." }, { "start": 65.12, "end": 66.12, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 66.12, "end": 67.12, "text": " That's a weird..." }, { "start": 67.12, "end": 68.36, "text": " I'm going to be in bed because I have to work tomorrow." }, { "start": 68.36, "end": 70.36, "text": " I'm going to drive this Ferrari straight to sleep." }, { "start": 70.36, "end": 71.36, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 71.36, "end": 74.12, "text": " So we have all kinds of crazy stuff today." }, { "start": 74.12, "end": 75.96000000000001, "text": " So the show floor is open." }, { "start": 75.96000000000001, "end": 76.96000000000001, "text": " There are what?" }, { "start": 76.96000000000001, "end": 78.28, "text": " Is it 150,000 people here now?" }, { "start": 78.28, "end": 80.12, "text": " Yeah, 156,000 I think is the number." }, { "start": 80.12, "end": 81.64, "text": " Three and a half million square feet of gadgets." }, { "start": 81.64, "end": 82.64, "text": " Which is just absurd." }, { "start": 82.64, "end": 84.28, "text": " I'm trying as hard as I can to avoid..." }, { "start": 84.28, "end": 87.16, "text": " A million of those square feet are the Sony and Samsung booths." }, { "start": 87.16, "end": 88.16, "text": " That might actually be true." }, { "start": 88.16, "end": 89.16, "text": " I would believe that that's actually true." }, { "start": 89.16, "end": 91.12, "text": " They have like competing armies." }, { "start": 91.12, "end": 92.12, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 92.12, "end": 93.12, "text": " They stand." }, { "start": 93.12, "end": 96.96000000000001, "text": " That's actually more like competing video demonstrations of nothing." }, { "start": 96.96000000000001, "end": 97.96000000000001, "text": " Competing 4K." }, { "start": 97.96000000000001, "end": 98.96000000000001, "text": " Yeah, exactly." }, { "start": 98.96000000000001, "end": 99.96000000000001, "text": " Taylor Swift movies." }, { "start": 99.96000000000001, "end": 103.4, "text": " Okay, so a bunch of big stories today." }, { "start": 103.4, "end": 104.6, "text": " Including more gaming stuff." }, { "start": 104.6, "end": 108.76, "text": " I feel like this isn't supposed to be a gaming show, but it's kind of a gaming show." }, { "start": 108.76, "end": 110.68, "text": " So there's this thing called the Razer Edge." }, { "start": 110.68, "end": 116.96000000000001, "text": " We saw it last year called the Razer Project Fiona, but now it is back again." }, { "start": 116.96000000000001, "end": 119, "text": " It's the Edge." }, { "start": 119, "end": 120.12, "text": " It's kind of a tablet." }, { "start": 120.12, "end": 121.12, "text": " It's kind of a console." }, { "start": 121.12, "end": 122.12, "text": " It is a tablet." }, { "start": 122.12, "end": 123.12, "text": " It's a really thick giant." }, { "start": 123.12, "end": 124.12, 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"text": " Do you?" }, { "start": 170.8, "end": 171.8, "text": " Do you?" }, { "start": 171.8, "end": 173.64000000000001, "text": " Well, you respect a crazy person." }, { "start": 173.64000000000001, "end": 178.36, "text": " Especially after seeing the Nvidia Project Shield, which seems really kind of tight and" }, { "start": 178.36, "end": 180.76000000000002, "text": " put together and well thought out." }, { "start": 180.76000000000002, "end": 181.76000000000002, "text": " This just doesn't." }, { "start": 181.76000000000002, "end": 183.60000000000002, "text": " Well, Razer comes out." }, { "start": 183.60000000000002, "end": 186.8, "text": " Every year at CS, Razer has something bonkers, right?" }, { "start": 186.8, "end": 188.84, "text": " Because they're like a peripheral maker." }, { "start": 188.84, "end": 189.84, "text": " That's what they primarily do." }, { "start": 189.84, "end": 191.88000000000002, "text": " They're like, look at our nutso mouse." }, { "start": 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"start": 225.36, "end": 226.36, "text": " Next." }, { "start": 226.36, "end": 227.36, "text": " That's going to be their smartphone." }, { "start": 227.36, "end": 228.36, "text": " That's the Razer." }, { "start": 228.36, "end": 229.36, "text": " With the huge, yeah." }, { "start": 229.36, "end": 230.36, "text": " I mean, yeah, it's fine." }, { "start": 230.36, "end": 231.64000000000001, "text": " I mean, look, it is a gaming show." }, { "start": 231.64000000000001, "end": 232.64000000000001, "text": " There's stuff coming out." }, { "start": 232.64000000000001, "end": 233.64000000000001, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 233.64000000000001, "end": 234.64000000000001, "text": " There's a lot of interesting tablets coming out." }, { "start": 234.64000000000001, "end": 235.64000000000001, "text": " There are." }, { "start": 235.64000000000001, "end": 238.20000000000002, "text": " So one in particular, well, not really." }, { "start": 238.20000000000002, "end": 240.54000000000002, "text": " This isn't interesting as much as it's crazy." }, { "start": 240.54000000000002, "end": 242.56, "text": " So Panasonic came out this morning." }, { "start": 242.56, "end": 246.96, "text": " They had the opening keynote this morning on the show floor and used it to release a" }, { "start": 246.96, "end": 251.52, "text": " 20 inch 4K tablet, which kind of sounds crazier than it actually is." }, { "start": 251.52, "end": 254.60000000000002, "text": " The resolution is 3840 by 2560." }, { "start": 254.6, "end": 258.08, "text": " Which ends up being lower pixel density than, say, the iPad." }, { "start": 258.08, "end": 260.92, "text": " But it's still 20 inches and it's 4K." }, { "start": 260.92, "end": 261.92, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 261.92, "end": 263.84, "text": " Well, so it's a, but I feel like-" }, { "start": 263.84, "end": 264.84, "text": " It just sounds awesome." }, { "start": 264.84, "end": 266.44, "text": " Look, it's not your vertical height." }, { "start": 266.44, 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full in his head?" }, { "start": 285.64, "end": 286.64, "text": " Is it ARM or X86?" }, { "start": 286.64, "end": 287.64, "text": " I believe it's X86." }, { "start": 287.64, "end": 290.56, "text": " So it's basically just a really nice PC that you can take everywhere." }, { "start": 290.56, "end": 294.71999999999997, "text": " And I think there is a market for pro photographers who are all using iPads now and they have" }, { "start": 294.71999999999997, "end": 296.64, "text": " insane bonkers workflows." }, { "start": 296.64, "end": 301.71999999999997, "text": " A photographer actually sent me a flow chart of how they get pictures from their Mark II" }, { "start": 301.71999999999997, "end": 303.44, "text": " onto an iPad and it has 15 boxes." }, { "start": 303.44, "end": 304.44, "text": " It's brutal." }, { "start": 304.44, "end": 305.44, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 305.44, "end": 306.59999999999997, "text": " So there's a big market for this." }, { "start": 306.59999999999997, "end": 311.76, "text": " I will say this, 4K is a marketing term and the CS is getting tossed around far too much." }, { "start": 311.76, "end": 316.8, "text": " And a 4K tablet is really just like, you can go buy a dumb monitor that has effective 4K" }, { "start": 316.8, "end": 319.96, "text": " resolution right now and it's like $500." }, { "start": 319.96, "end": 322.44, "text": " That's the term everybody wants to use." }, { "start": 322.44, "end": 328.52, "text": " And speaking of 4K, Panasonic also had a 4K OLED TV, which was basically the same thing" }, { "start": 328.52, "end": 330.7, "text": " as Sony released last night." }, { "start": 330.7, "end": 333.36, "text": " And it's just this hilarious back and forth." }, { "start": 333.36, "end": 336.88, "text": " Well, yeah, but Sony and Panasonic, they all have the same panel suppliers." }, { "start": 336.88, "end": 340.36, "text": " So it's like the panel suppliers have done something and all the big companies have productized" }, { "start": 340.36, "end": 341.36, "text": " it in some way." }, { "start": 341.36, "end": 342.36, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 342.36, "end": 346.56, "text": " But OLED TVs are truly, it's like if you went to a car show and everyone was showing off" }, { "start": 346.56, "end": 350.36, "text": " a convertible that could maybe fly and they all have the same bad idea at the same time." }, { "start": 350.36, "end": 352.36, "text": " It's coming, it's just never going to happen." }, { "start": 352.36, "end": 354.56, "text": " Someday and you probably can't afford it anymore." }, { "start": 354.56, "end": 355.56, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 355.56, "end": 356.56, "text": " OLED, everyone." }, { "start": 356.56, "end": 357.56, "text": " The OLED story." }, { "start": 357.56, "end": 361.40000000000003, "text": " The thing I actually think is a lot cooler is Intel perceptual computing, it's called." }, { "start": 361.40000000000003, "end": 362.40000000000003, "text": " It's basically Kinect." }, { "start": 362.40000000000003, "end": 363.40000000000003, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 363.40000000000003, "end": 368.16, "text": " And we're seeing a ton of these demos here where you're using your hands and you're doing" }, { "start": 368.16, "end": 372.56, "text": " all kinds of different motions as opposed to using just a trackpad and a keyboard." }, { "start": 372.56, "end": 376.28000000000003, "text": " And we've seen, I literally have a video, this is Sean Hollister I think, but I have" }, { "start": 376.28000000000003, "end": 381.36, "text": " a video of me doing exactly the same thing with leap motion and there's a company here" }, { "start": 381.36, "end": 382.36, "text": " called PointGrab." }, { "start": 382.36, "end": 383.36, "text": " Yeah, PointGrab." }, { "start": 383.36, "end": 384.36, "text": " And so this is a thing." }, { "start": 384.36, "end": 385.36, "text": " Have some dignity." }, { "start": 385.36, "end": 389, "text": " I'm sorry, it's my fault." }, { "start": 389, "end": 392.24, "text": " But this is a thing and I feel like especially if Intel is getting on board, Intel can just" }, { "start": 392.24, "end": 394.56, "text": " brute force this kind of technology into everywhere." }, { "start": 394.56, "end": 396.48, "text": " They could, I mean they could put it in a platform." }, { "start": 396.48, "end": 399.92, "text": " I mean that's, and this is going to sound like a really weird comparison to make, but" }, { "start": 399.92, "end": 400.92, "text": " that's what they did with Wi-Fi." }, { "start": 400.92, "end": 401.92, "text": " Right?" }, { "start": 401.92, "end": 405.8, "text": " They said Wi-Fi is part of Centrino and then the next year all the laptops had Wi-Fi." }, { "start": 405.8, "end": 408.52000000000004, "text": " And it was driven by the platform." }, { "start": 408.52000000000004, "end": 411.44, "text": " This little creative doohickey that they're making is like whatever." }, { "start": 411.44, "end": 412.56, "text": " They made it connect." }, { "start": 412.56, "end": 414.28000000000003, "text": " You're not going to put it on your laptop like this." }, { "start": 414.28000000000003, "end": 415.56, "text": " But the next generation laptops." }, { "start": 415.56, "end": 419.8, "text": " I will say that Intel is here trying desperately to prove that they're relevant." }, { "start": 419.8, "end": 423, "text": " Yeah, I mean I think Intel, like they've lost mobile." }, { "start": 423, "end": 429.12, "text": " I think we can fairly safely say that they kind of have an insurmountable deficit now" }, { "start": 429.12, "end": 430.12, "text": " in mobile." }, { "start": 430.12, "end": 431.12, "text": " I mean they ain't throwing no Qualcomm party." }, { "start": 431.12, "end": 432.12, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 432.12, "end": 433.12, "text": " I'll tell you that." }, { "start": 433.12, "end": 434.12, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 434.12, "end": 438.88, "text": " But no, I think, and so they have to, so it seems like if they're going to double down" }, { "start": 438.88, "end": 444.32, "text": " on PCs so to speak, they have to go kind of way ahead of the game and try to." }, { "start": 444.32, "end": 445.32, "text": " It's exactly what you're saying." }, { "start": 445.32, "end": 449.68, "text": " They have to say we're innovative, we're still doing cool stuff, we still matter." }, { "start": 449.68, "end": 451.84, "text": " And I don't know if this is how you get there." }, { "start": 451.84, "end": 455.96, "text": " I don't think waving a tablet or waving a laptop is the right way to go." }, { "start": 455.96, "end": 460.03999999999996, "text": " But I will say that there is an insane push, we talked about it a little bit yesterday," }, { "start": 460.03999999999996, "end": 464.85999999999996, "text": " there's an insane push of this whole show to put sensors on everything and connect the" }, { "start": 464.85999999999996, "end": 468.28, "text": " sensors to some sort of centralized computing device." }, { "start": 468.28, "end": 469.28, "text": " And that's this." }, { "start": 469.28, "end": 471.32, "text": " It's just wilder sensors." }, { "start": 471.32, "end": 474.67999999999995, "text": " It's instead of knowing how far you've walked, the computer will like look at your face and" }, { "start": 474.67999999999995, "end": 475.79999999999995, "text": " know how much you've cried." }, { "start": 475.79999999999995, "end": 478.32, "text": " I have to say that the tech is becoming amazing." }, { "start": 478.32, "end": 482.08, "text": " How many tears have I shed today?" }, { "start": 482.08, "end": 485.64, "text": " You're crying a lot this year, I'm worried about you." }, { "start": 485.64, "end": 486.64, "text": " Tears and pixel density." }, { "start": 486.64, "end": 490.52, "text": " The Neelay Patel story." }, { "start": 490.52, "end": 493.08, "text": " The tech is getting a lot better I have to say." }, { "start": 493.08, "end": 495.96, "text": " You can tell the difference between your fingers and if you put something in your fingers," }, { "start": 495.96, "end": 497.76, "text": " it can tell that that's there and then your fingers." }, { "start": 497.76, "end": 499.52, "text": " It's really awesome." }, { "start": 499.52, "end": 501.6, "text": " I have no particular practical interest in it." }, { "start": 501.6, "end": 505.08, "text": " No, no, no, mom on the new computer knows what's in my fingers." }, { "start": 505.08, "end": 506.08, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 506.08, "end": 510.88, "text": " So the other thing which happened just a few minutes ago which I actually think is hysterical" }, { "start": 510.88, "end": 515.48, "text": " is back to TVs, which it's a TV show." }, { "start": 515.48, "end": 521.56, "text": " So Samsung and LG within like two hours of each other both announced the world's first" }, { "start": 521.56, "end": 523.1999999999999, "text": " curved OLED TV." }, { "start": 523.1999999999999, "end": 525.1999999999999, "text": " They both used the phrase world's first." }, { "start": 525.1999999999999, "end": 526.96, "text": " It was a curved, it's exactly what you're describing." }, { "start": 526.96, "end": 530.64, "text": " They all have the same panels, it's the same, they have the same thing and clearly their" }, { "start": 530.64, "end": 533.8, "text": " development process was absolutely identical." }, { "start": 533.8, "end": 537.52, "text": " But they both released the same thing and it sounds like it's wild." }, { "start": 537.52, "end": 542, "text": " I haven't seen either one in person yet but folks who have say it's gorgeous and like" }, { "start": 542, "end": 543, "text": " actually seems cool." }, { "start": 543, "end": 546.8, "text": " Well OLED TVs are always gorgeous and putting them in wacky shapes is like actually one" }, { "start": 546.8, "end": 548.56, "text": " of the promises of the technology." }, { "start": 548.56, "end": 549.56, "text": " Nobody can make them." }, { "start": 549.56, "end": 551, "text": " Well so why, who cares?" }, { "start": 551, "end": 552.16, "text": " Why do I want a curved TV?" }, { "start": 552.16, "end": 553.16, "text": " Convince me." }, { "start": 553.16, "end": 555.28, "text": " You seem like you're kind of into the idea." }, { "start": 555.28, "end": 558.12, "text": " So you can stand closer to it." }, { "start": 558.12, "end": 559.12, "text": " So it can give you a hot pan." }, { "start": 559.12, "end": 560.12, "text": " Really?" }, { "start": 560.12, "end": 562.6999999999999, "text": " So the idea is that I can like turn around and get four inches away from my TV and still" }, { "start": 562.6999999999999, "end": 563.6999999999999, "text": " see it?" }, { "start": 563.7, "end": 564.7, "text": " That's cool." }, { "start": 564.7, "end": 565.7, "text": " I'm excited about that." }, { "start": 565.7, "end": 568.44, "text": " This stuff is like they might as well make a triangle." }, { "start": 568.44, "end": 569.6400000000001, "text": " Just go for it dude." }, { "start": 569.6400000000001, "end": 571.32, "text": " Just come on, make a triangle TV." }, { "start": 571.32, "end": 572.32, "text": " Just own it." }, { "start": 572.32, "end": 575.72, "text": " Like if 4K has a content problem, stuff that takes advantage of being curved is like the" }, { "start": 575.72, "end": 577.1600000000001, "text": " worst content problem." }, { "start": 577.1600000000001, "end": 578.1600000000001, "text": " Yeah, agreed." }, { "start": 578.1600000000001, "end": 579.1600000000001, "text": " Yeah, but whatever." }, { "start": 579.1600000000001, "end": 580.1600000000001, "text": " It's giving you a hug." }, { "start": 580.1600000000001, "end": 581.1600000000001, "text": " Well so." }, { "start": 581.1600000000001, "end": 584.1600000000001, "text": " They're just showing off, they like to show off." }, { "start": 584.1600000000001, "end": 585.1600000000001, "text": " Fair." }, { "start": 585.1600000000001, "end": 588.32, "text": " I mean and they will, this sort of the big tech comes to phones." }, { "start": 588.32, "end": 592.24, "text": " They'll make, Samsung's always been doing curved displays for phones and I think that" }, { "start": 592.24, "end": 593.24, "text": " makes more sense there." }, { "start": 593.24, "end": 594.24, "text": " I agree." }, { "start": 594.24, "end": 597.24, "text": " I mean in Samsung's whole thing it seems like both of those companies are like what crazy" }, { "start": 597.24, "end": 600.96, "text": " tech demo can we show off that'll never be a prototype or that'll never be a real product" }, { "start": 600.96, "end": 603.36, "text": " but look at what we can do." }, { "start": 603.36, "end": 604.36, "text": " And I'll just keep up." }, { "start": 604.36, "end": 605.88, "text": " It's half the fun of CES I guess." }, { "start": 605.88, "end": 606.88, "text": " Yes." }, { "start": 606.88, "end": 609, "text": " But it's like 80% of the fun of CES." }, { "start": 609, "end": 610, "text": " 80%." }, { "start": 610, "end": 613.32, "text": " Yeah, I think I've seen a price and release date for like one thing at CES so far." }, { "start": 613.32, "end": 615.52, "text": " Even that was tentative I imagine." }, { "start": 615.52, "end": 616.52, "text": " Yeah, right." }, { "start": 616.52, "end": 617.52, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 617.52, "end": 620.4, "text": " So well speaking of your content problem thing." }, { "start": 620.4, "end": 621.4, "text": " Sony." }, { "start": 621.4, "end": 622.4, "text": " We should talk about that." }, { "start": 622.4, "end": 625.8, "text": " Yeah, well so first of all, you were at Sony." }, { "start": 625.8, "end": 626.8, "text": " You went." }, { "start": 626.8, "end": 627.8, "text": " How was the event?" }, { "start": 627.8, "end": 628.8, "text": " It was really good." }, { "start": 628.8, "end": 634.0799999999999, "text": " You know, Howard Stringer is like a bombastic presenter so he gave the Sony keynotes for" }, { "start": 634.0799999999999, "end": 637.92, "text": " a long time and he just doesn't, he never cared about anything which made him a great" }, { "start": 637.92, "end": 638.92, "text": " presenter." }, { "start": 638.92, "end": 639.92, "text": " Kaz is a little more direct." }, { "start": 639.92, "end": 644.68, "text": " I mean he's great, he's just not, it's not the spectacle of the Stringer." }, { "start": 644.68, "end": 648.3199999999999, "text": " It's not we're going to have Will Smith drive a car on a stage which actually happened." }, { "start": 648.3199999999999, "end": 650.36, "text": " Taylor Swift did not play." }, { "start": 650.36, "end": 651.4, "text": " Which you were kind of sad about." }, { "start": 651.4, "end": 655.48, "text": " I was sad about but you know I think that's actually not necessarily, Kaz is very open" }, { "start": 655.48, "end": 660.92, "text": " with I've been CEO for nine months, I need to revitalize the electronic business of Sony." }, { "start": 660.92, "end": 665.12, "text": " And they very much kept on pushing, Sony's the only brand you have an emotional reaction" }, { "start": 665.12, "end": 666.1999999999999, "text": " to." }, { "start": 666.1999999999999, "end": 669.52, "text": " Which is like maybe, I think that's true for people my age, right?" }, { "start": 669.52, "end": 672.84, "text": " I don't know if that's true for younger people." }, { "start": 672.84, "end": 675.56, "text": " I don't think they, they might have a PlayStation but they probably have an Xbox." }, { "start": 675.56, "end": 678.28, "text": " So they have a lot of work to do, it was a little bit less respectable but the products" }, { "start": 678.28, "end": 679.28, "text": " are actually interesting." }, { "start": 679.28, "end": 681.16, "text": " So that's the Xperia Z sitting over there." }, { "start": 681.16, "end": 687.04, "text": " So this is kind of the flagship new product from Sony." }, { "start": 687.04, "end": 691.48, "text": " Five inches, 1080p which seems to be like the new sort of standard for a flagship phone." }, { "start": 691.48, "end": 693.1999999999999, "text": " Yeah and I really like it, it's a beautiful phone." }, { "start": 693.1999999999999, "end": 695.48, "text": " I will say it's hilarious it has a glass back." }, { "start": 695.48, "end": 698.4, "text": " It's like the entire industry didn't learn the lesson from Apple." }, { "start": 698.4, "end": 699.92, "text": " That your phone will shatter immediately." }, { "start": 699.92, "end": 700.92, "text": " Yeah, sorry." }, { "start": 700.92, "end": 703.28, "text": " But you know it's very nice, it's a really tight package." }, { "start": 703.28, "end": 706.92, "text": " I actually like the software, it's not stock obviously." }, { "start": 706.92, "end": 710.02, "text": " Sony's always known though when it comes to." }, { "start": 710.02, "end": 711.02, "text": " This lock screen is sweet." }, { "start": 711.02, "end": 713.84, "text": " When it comes to Android skin Sony's always done a good job." }, { "start": 713.84, "end": 716.92, "text": " It's this weird kind of broken effect." }, { "start": 716.92, "end": 719.1999999999999, "text": " It like shatters the screen and I really like it." }, { "start": 719.1999999999999, "end": 721.92, "text": " It serves exactly zero purpose but it's awesome." }, { "start": 721.92, "end": 724, "text": " Yeah it's cool, it's just neat." }, { "start": 724, "end": 726, "text": " It's good to see something different happening in the lock screen." }, { "start": 726, "end": 728.48, "text": " Yeah well so and I mean so there's all kinds of cool stuff." }, { "start": 728.48, "end": 732.3199999999999, "text": " It's got a 13 megapixel camera and Android 4.1 but you wanted to do this." }, { "start": 732.3199999999999, "end": 733.76, "text": " I do, I'm happy about this." }, { "start": 733.76, "end": 738.4399999999999, "text": " And you can do that which is like, I mean that's awesome." }, { "start": 738.44, "end": 741.2800000000001, "text": " It's silly, I don't know why you need to do that." }, { "start": 741.2800000000001, "end": 743.12, "text": " Well so I have to say like this morning." }, { "start": 743.12, "end": 745.34, "text": " So I was brushing my teeth this morning." }, { "start": 745.34, "end": 746.34, "text": " This actually happened." }, { "start": 746.34, "end": 750.48, "text": " I was brushing my teeth and like was running water over my toothbrush and like a little" }, { "start": 750.48, "end": 754.6, "text": " tiny bit splashed off and got onto the screen of my phone which is sitting in its sink." }, { "start": 754.6, "end": 758.0400000000001, "text": " And I had like a 15 minute long panic attack that my phone was broken forever." }, { "start": 758.0400000000001, "end": 759.0400000000001, "text": " You're weird." }, { "start": 759.0400000000001, "end": 762.82, "text": " It's just, it's what I'm used to with all of my electronics that like if anything ever" }, { "start": 762.82, "end": 766.8800000000001, "text": " gets wet it's probably broken forever and I'm screwed." }, { "start": 766.88, "end": 770.6, "text": " But so I think I mean I just like the idea and it doesn't seem to have like made it bigger" }, { "start": 770.6, "end": 771.6, "text": " or worse." }, { "start": 771.6, "end": 772.6, "text": " Let me say one thing." }, { "start": 772.6, "end": 774.48, "text": " Yes it does in one specific stupid way." }, { "start": 774.48, "end": 777.52, "text": " The headphone jack is under a flap on this phone." }, { "start": 777.52, "end": 781.58, "text": " So to get put headphones into it you've got to open this dinky little door that seals" }, { "start": 781.58, "end": 787.04, "text": " the headphone jack away from water and that is at what cost man?" }, { "start": 787.04, "end": 790.72, "text": " What price must we pay so you can brush your teeth over a phone?" }, { "start": 790.72, "end": 791.72, "text": " Yep." }, { "start": 791.72, "end": 792.72, "text": " Come on." }, { "start": 792.72, "end": 799.8000000000001, "text": " So Sony had this and another phone and a bunch of other stuff but one of the, as with everybody," }, { "start": 799.8000000000001, "end": 801.28, "text": " the big thing they talked about was 4K." }, { "start": 801.28, "end": 806.1600000000001, "text": " And so Josh Topolsky, our editor in chief who you may have heard of, sat down with Kaz" }, { "start": 806.1600000000001, "end": 811.72, "text": " Horai after the event and had a bunch of questions for him about 4K specifically." }, { "start": 811.72, "end": 814.36, "text": " So obviously the TVs are going to be available." }, { "start": 814.36, "end": 817.4, "text": " The big question that everybody has, the stuff we see our readers talking about, the debate" }, { "start": 817.4, "end": 822.44, "text": " we have amongst our writers is you got the TV, how do you get the content?" }, { "start": 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some announcements to make sure that the customers, when they're" }, { "start": 855.12, "end": 860.7600000000001, "text": " buying their 4K televisions from Sony, they understand how they're going to get the access" }, { "start": 860.7600000000001, "end": 862.4000000000001, "text": " to the variety of content." }, { "start": 862.4000000000001, "end": 869.0400000000001, "text": " But right now you've got an 84 inch 4K and there's a server set up where you can, essentially" }, { "start": 869.0400000000001, "end": 871.4000000000001, "text": " you're getting, it's a hard drive." }, { "start": 871.4000000000001, "end": 873.82, "text": " It's preloaded 4K content." }, { "start": 873.82, "end": 875.84, "text": " That's not your plan for the future of consumer." }, { "start": 875.84, "end": 880.2, "text": " It's more of a distribution plan that we have in the strategy." }, { "start": 880.2, "end": 886.9200000000001, "text": " Obviously, it's not just limited to X number of movies or other titles that may be preloaded," }, { "start": 886.9200000000001, "end": 891.72, "text": " but in fact making sure that consumers can access new and additional content as they" }, { "start": 891.72, "end": 892.72, "text": " become available." }, { "start": 892.72, "end": 895.12, "text": " Right, but you don't see that as physical media." }, { "start": 895.12, "end": 896.48, "text": " I don't see that as being physical media." }, { "start": 896.48, "end": 898.22, "text": " There aren't going to be native 4K discs." }, { "start": 898.22, "end": 899.6800000000001, "text": " There's not going to be a standard that is..." }, { "start": 899.68, "end": 907.4, "text": " Ultimately, I think that as the industry evolves 4K, the industry may decide that a disc format" }, { "start": 907.4, "end": 909.64, "text": " might be something that the consumers are looking for." }, { "start": 909.64, "end": 915, "text": " But at this point, before we get into that format, we were looking for distribution." }, 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TV." }, { "start": 948.24, "end": 949.72, "text": " Well, it's got to work." }, { "start": 949.72, "end": 953.2, "text": " That's interoperability that we need to guarantee." }, { "start": 953.2, "end": 957.12, "text": " Sony's talked a lot about 4K and they have this kind of unique story for what they can" }, { "start": 957.12, "end": 960.4, "text": " offer, but you've talked to Kaz Harai too." }, { "start": 960.4, "end": 962.96, "text": " You got kind of a different answer for what they're doing with 4K." }, { "start": 962.96, "end": 967.84, "text": " The vibe I get is that, so I talked to Kaz right after the keynote." }, { "start": 967.84, "end": 972.92, "text": " The question is, they announced the world's first 4K digital distribution service." }, { "start": 972.92, "end": 975.2, "text": " Which actually did seem to be true, unlike all of the other worlds." }, { "start": 975.2, "end": 977.48, "text": " Well, they're going to do it, they just don't know what it looks like." }, { "start": 977.48, "end": 978.48, "text": " So it's like, how are you going to do it?" }, { "start": 978.48, "end": 980.04, "text": " He's like, we're going to figure it out." }, { "start": 980.04, "end": 983.64, "text": " Right now they're shipping people like a PC, like he said to Josh." }, { "start": 983.64, "end": 985.96, "text": " To Josh, he's saying, we're not ruling out anything." }, { "start": 985.96, "end": 988.96, "text": " Maybe we'll have disks, maybe you'll download stuff overnight." }, { "start": 988.96, "end": 997.46, "text": " So Sony has the content, they have the products, and they are desperately riffing on ways to" }, { "start": 997.46, "end": 998.46, "text": " connect the two." }, { "start": 998.46, "end": 1001.1600000000001, "text": " And Paul wrote a great piece today." }, { "start": 1001.1600000000001, "end": 1006.84, "text": " The thing is, it can't just be Sony building the connection between content and devices." }, { "start": 1006.84, "end": 1010.12, "text": " It's got to be the entire industry coming up with a set of standards." }, { "start": 1010.12, "end": 1014.9200000000001, "text": " Because I think the consumer expectation is that you can buy a Toshiba TV and a PS4 and" }, { "start": 1014.92, "end": 1016.7199999999999, "text": " watch 4K stuff." }, { "start": 1016.7199999999999, "end": 1020.4799999999999, "text": " The expectation is that it's going to be what Blu-ray was, and what DVD." }, { "start": 1020.4799999999999, "end": 1024.24, "text": " In that, this is what you watch, and all you have to do is find a thing to watch it on," }, { "start": 1024.24, "end": 1026.48, "text": " and you can watch the same thing on all your things." }, { "start": 1026.48, "end": 1030.84, "text": " I think that's not only just good for consumers, I think it's actually good for the industry." }, { "start": 1030.84, "end": 1031.84, "text": " How could that not happen?" }, { "start": 1031.84, "end": 1034.6, "text": " I mean, it seems to me that it has 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1063.08, "end": 1065.6, "text": " Right, because all the movies you want to watch won't work." }, { "start": 1065.6, "end": 1068.48, "text": " And making sure you don't buy a Samsung TV is critically important for Sony." }, { "start": 1068.48, "end": 1069.8799999999999, "text": " And I think they're going to explore it." }, { "start": 1069.8799999999999, "end": 1070.8799999999999, "text": " But that sucks for us." }, { "start": 1070.88, "end": 1071.88, "text": " Right." }, { "start": 1071.88, "end": 1074.6000000000001, "text": " Well, so but then there's like the hopeful pieces of it are like at Samsung's booth today" }, { "start": 1074.6000000000001, "end": 1076.92, "text": " we saw Netflix streaming in 4K." }, { "start": 1076.92, "end": 1080.7600000000002, "text": " And there were little like artifact-y issues, but whatever, it's 4K and that's awesome." }, { "start": 1080.7600000000002, "end": 1084.96, "text": " And it seems like that's, you know, that gives me hope that it might 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distributing it to you somehow." }, { "start": 1111, "end": 1112, "text": " And at least that's a step." }, { "start": 1112, "end": 1113.52, "text": " Well, and it's I guess that's true." }, { "start": 1113.52, "end": 1117.8, "text": " But it's because they make the cameras and they make the movies and they make the TVs." }, { "start": 1117.8, "end": 1122.52, "text": " So it's like Sony's like, well, we don't have to go anywhere else to do our stuff." }, { "start": 1122.52, "end": 1124.8, "text": " But they can't be the lone holdout." }, { "start": 1124.8, "end": 1126.52, "text": " I don't think they will be." }, { "start": 1126.52, "end": 1130.36, "text": " And I guess eventually it'll shake out and we're just sort of screwed until then." }, { "start": 1130.36, "end": 1132.16, "text": " I just won't buy a 4K TV until then." }, { "start": 1132.16, "end": 1133.56, "text": " I'm definitely going to buy a 4K TV." }, { "start": 1133.56, "end": 1135.12, "text": " You're going to buy the crazy easel TV." }, { "start": 1135.12, "end": 1136.12, "text": " Next TV." }, { "start": 1136.12, "end": 1137.56, "text": " God, I want that for 400,000 dollars." }, { "start": 1137.56, "end": 1140.76, "text": " Samsung's TV is like the most beautiful thing it's yes." }, { "start": 1140.76, "end": 1143.76, "text": " Next year when they're like two grand or so, I'll probably buy it." }, { "start": 1143.76, "end": 1144.76, "text": " Do you think it'll catch on?" }, { "start": 1144.76, "end": 1145.76, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1145.76, "end": 1146.76, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1146.76, "end": 1147.76, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1147.76, "end": 1148.76, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 1148.76, "end": 1149.76, "text": " Fair enough." }, { "start": 1149.76, "end": 1150.76, "text": " So we have one more thing to talk about." }, { "start": 1150.76, "end": 1151.76, "text": " And it's actually the coolest thing we have to talk about by far." }, { "start": 1151.76, "end": 1153.9, "text": " It's called the Oculus Rift." }, { "start": 1153.9, "end": 1155.16, "text": " It's a virtual reality thing." }, { "start": 1155.16, "end": 1157.76, "text": " It's also like the greatest name ever." }, { "start": 1157.76, "end": 1161.24, "text": " And Nathan Ingram, one of our news writers, went and got to take a look at this thing." }, { "start": 1161.24, "end": 1164.24, "text": " So let's take a look at that." }, { "start": 1164.24, "end": 1166.72, "text": " Hi, this is Nathan with The Verge." }, { "start": 1166.72, "end": 1169.26, "text": " We're here at Oculus and we're taking a look at the Rift." }, { "start": 1169.26, "end": 1170.8400000000001, "text": " This is their virtual reality headset." }, { "start": 1170.8400000000001, "end": 1174.78, "text": " And the piece of hardware we've got right here is the developer kit, which is shipping" }, { "start": 1174.78, "end": 1177.64, "text": " out to Kickstarter backers at the end of March." }, { "start": 1177.64, "end": 1178.64, "text": " And it's pretty simple." }, { "start": 1178.64, "end": 1182.0400000000002, "text": " What you see here, the strap goes around your head." }, { "start": 1182.04, "end": 1187.1599999999999, "text": " And there's two lenses here that you look through for the 3D virtual reality experience." }, { "start": 1187.1599999999999, "end": 1190.72, "text": " And the total resolution of the screen is 1280 by 800." }, { "start": 1190.72, "end": 1194.24, "text": " Each eye receives 640 by 800 input." }, { "start": 1194.24, "end": 1197.44, "text": " The resolution and sound is impressive as some of the high res screens you see today." }, { "start": 1197.44, "end": 1201, "text": " But we've been assured that once you put it on, you're not even going to notice that." }, { "start": 1201, "end": 1202.26, "text": " We'll find out soon." }, { "start": 1202.26, "end": 1205.3999999999999, "text": " So that's basically all there is to the prototype hardware here." }, { "start": 1205.3999999999999, "end": 1207.3, "text": " There's a box right here, the control box." }, { "start": 1207.3, "end": 1208.3, "text": " This hooks into your PC." }, { "start": 1208.3, "end": 1212.3999999999999, "text": " It's got a DVI port, HDMI, USB, and power." }, { "start": 1212.3999999999999, "end": 1213.8799999999999, "text": " And that's about all there is from a hardware perspective." }, { "start": 1213.8799999999999, "end": 1216.96, "text": " But what we're really looking forward to checking out is the software and how it works" }, { "start": 1216.96, "end": 1220.84, "text": " once you put it on." }, { "start": 1220.84, "end": 1224.44, "text": " So we saw this video and we're super into this idea." }, { "start": 1224.44, "end": 1227.02, "text": " And Nilay and I were both like, we have to try this immediately." }, { "start": 1227.02, "end": 1229.96, "text": " So we actually brought some of the folks from Oculus VR here." }, { "start": 1229.96, "end": 1232.04, "text": " This is Palmer Luckey, the founder." }, { "start": 1232.04, "end": 1235.8799999999999, "text": " And so Palmer, tell us, what is this thing that we're looking at here?" }, { "start": 1235.88, "end": 1238.66, "text": " So this is a prototype of the Oculus Rift developer kit." }, { "start": 1238.66, "end": 1242.66, "text": " It's basically a virtual reality headset with an extremely wide field of view and ultra" }, { "start": 1242.66, "end": 1244, "text": " low latency head tracking." }, { "start": 1244, "end": 1246.7600000000002, "text": " So that it actually makes you feel like you're inside of the game." }, { "start": 1246.7600000000002, "end": 1251.88, "text": " So what's, give me an idea of how this changes, especially for gaming, how this changes how" }, { "start": 1251.88, "end": 1252.88, "text": " you play games." }, { "start": 1252.88, "end": 1255.5600000000002, "text": " Well that's one of the reasons we're putting out a developer kit." }, { "start": 1255.5600000000002, "end": 1258.74, "text": " So people can mess around with it and tell us how they think it's going to change it." }, { "start": 1258.74, "end": 1260.3600000000001, "text": " But one thing for certain, no, no." }, { "start": 1260.3600000000001, "end": 1262.8400000000001, "text": " Pay attention to me." }, { "start": 1262.84, "end": 1268.4599999999998, "text": " One thing that is going to change for certain is that games, it's not just about maybe having" }, { "start": 1268.4599999999998, "end": 1271.6399999999999, "text": " a task oriented game where it's complete task, complete task, complete task." }, { "start": 1271.6399999999999, "end": 1273.4399999999998, "text": " And that's where your enjoyment comes from." }, { "start": 1273.4399999999998, "end": 1277.82, "text": " One cool thing about VR, if you actually feel like you're inside of the space, you actually" }, { "start": 1277.82, "end": 1281.28, "text": " feel like you're inside of the space and that's huge for immersion." }, { "start": 1281.28, "end": 1285.6799999999998, "text": " So many games that have replaced immersion with trying to accomplish goals, now it's" }, { "start": 1285.6799999999998, "end": 1290.02, "text": " actually about being inside of the game and just being there might, that'll be powerful" }, { "start": 1290.02, "end": 1291.02, "text": " on its own." }, { "start": 1291.02, "end": 1293.8, "text": " It might not be enough, but it'll be something huge on its own." }, { "start": 1293.8, "end": 1297.72, "text": " There are nerds across America who want nothing more than to just be lost in like the marathon" }, { "start": 1297.72, "end": 1298.72, "text": " spaceship." }, { "start": 1298.72, "end": 1299.72, "text": " Yeah, no question." }, { "start": 1299.72, "end": 1300.72, "text": " I'm just in it." }, { "start": 1300.72, "end": 1301.72, "text": " Or amnesia or something like that." }, { "start": 1301.72, "end": 1302.72, "text": " Can I have it?" }, { "start": 1302.72, "end": 1303.72, "text": " All right, so let's try this thing out." }, { "start": 1303.72, "end": 1304.72, "text": " I want to put it in my face really bad." }, { "start": 1304.72, "end": 1305.72, "text": " All right, all right." }, { "start": 1305.72, "end": 1308.96, "text": " So take this, hold it up to your face, move it up and down until it's in the sweet spot." }, { "start": 1308.96, "end": 1309.96, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1309.96, "end": 1310.96, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1310.96, "end": 1311.96, "text": " Oh God." }, { "start": 1311.96, "end": 1312.96, "text": " You doing pretty good?" }, { "start": 1312.96, "end": 1313.96, "text": " Oh God." }, { "start": 1313.96, "end": 1314.96, "text": " Oh God, I'm in a spaceship." }, { "start": 1314.96, "end": 1315.96, "text": " You good?" }, { "start": 1315.96, "end": 1316.96, "text": " I'm good." }, { "start": 1316.96, "end": 1317.96, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 1317.96, "end": 1318.96, "text": " So tell me what we're seeing." }, { "start": 1318.96, "end": 1321.96, "text": " David, you look like a sparrow." }, { "start": 1321.96, "end": 1324.96, "text": " So what this is back here is this is a stereoscopic." }, { "start": 1324.96, "end": 1327.96, "text": " Uh oh." }, { "start": 1327.96, "end": 1328.96, "text": " Can you still see it?" }, { "start": 1328.96, "end": 1329.96, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1329.96, "end": 1330.96, "text": " My foot just hit this thing." }, { "start": 1330.96, "end": 1331.96, "text": " Oh, we're back." }, { "start": 1331.96, "end": 1332.96, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1332.96, "end": 1333.96, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 1333.96, "end": 1334.96, "text": " I swear I had a heart attack." }, { "start": 1334.96, "end": 1335.96, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 1335.96, "end": 1339.6000000000001, "text": " I'm about to have a heart attack of joy." }, { "start": 1339.6000000000001, "end": 1342.78, "text": " So what this is, this is a stereoscopic 3D image." }, { "start": 1342.78, "end": 1343.78, "text": " It's pre-warped." }, { "start": 1343.78, "end": 1348.08, "text": " You can see to work for our fish, basically their fish eye lenses." }, { "start": 1348.08, "end": 1349.52, "text": " This is our Unity integration." }, { "start": 1349.52, "end": 1350.62, "text": " So Unity is a great engine." }, { "start": 1350.62, "end": 1353.56, "text": " We also have Unreal Engine integration in code, so you can put in other engines." }, { "start": 1353.56, "end": 1356.1, "text": " But this is Unity right here." }, { "start": 1356.1, "end": 1357.9199999999998, "text": " This is basically just a small space station." }, { "start": 1357.9199999999998, "end": 1358.9199999999998, "text": " It's a tech demo." }, { "start": 1358.9199999999998, "end": 1360.74, "text": " You can't really do much in it, but you can do a few things." }, { "start": 1360.74, "end": 1364.1999999999998, "text": " So we're just looking around as this is like what Neal's two eyes are seeing." }, { "start": 1364.1999999999998, "end": 1365.1999999999998, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1365.1999999999998, "end": 1366.8, "text": " So what you're seeing behind here is what he can see." }, { "start": 1366.8, "end": 1370.04, "text": " Just for people noticing, you know, trying to analyze latency or anything." }, { "start": 1370.04, "end": 1374, "text": " The input on this TV has quite a bit of latency, so it's actually not lagging nearly as much." }, { "start": 1374, "end": 1375.72, "text": " So I will say I'm wearing this thing." }, { "start": 1375.72, "end": 1380.44, "text": " I mean, as I'm talking, it's moving up and down, and the image is moving up and down," }, { "start": 1380.44, "end": 1381.44, "text": " which is crazy." }, { "start": 1381.44, "end": 1384.1200000000001, "text": " Like it knows it's on my face." }, { "start": 1384.1200000000001, "end": 1385.48, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 1385.48, "end": 1387.96, "text": " So what you're going to do is look all the way up." }, { "start": 1387.96, "end": 1389.6000000000001, "text": " This is, yeah, look all the way up." }, { "start": 1389.6000000000001, "end": 1393.76, "text": " Now also show, like try touching your ear to your shoulder." }, { "start": 1393.76, "end": 1394.76, "text": " Tilt your head." }, { "start": 1394.76, "end": 1395.76, "text": " Tilt your head." }, { "start": 1395.76, "end": 1396.76, "text": " Wait, I can't." }, { "start": 1396.76, "end": 1397.76, "text": " There you go." }, { "start": 1397.76, "end": 1399.04, "text": " I can't move my ears in that way." }, { "start": 1399.04, "end": 1402.2, "text": " So that's something that you can't do in a normal game." }, { "start": 1402.2, "end": 1403.88, "text": " You don't get any roll effects." }, { "start": 1403.88, "end": 1404.88, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 1404.88, "end": 1405.88, "text": " Can I go somewhere?" }, { "start": 1405.88, "end": 1406.88, "text": " Yes, you can go." }, { "start": 1406.88, "end": 1407.88, "text": " So here's the controller." }, { "start": 1407.88, "end": 1408.88, "text": " The right stick will move you around." }, { "start": 1408.88, "end": 1409.88, "text": " You might have to put it in his hand." }, { "start": 1409.88, "end": 1410.88, "text": " The left stick will rotate." }, { "start": 1410.88, "end": 1411.88, "text": " Do you like how I'm looking at my hands?" }, { "start": 1411.88, "end": 1412.88, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1412.88, "end": 1413.88, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 1413.88, "end": 1414.88, "text": " Oh, God." }, { "start": 1414.88, "end": 1415.88, "text": " Oh, God." }, { "start": 1415.88, "end": 1416.88, "text": " Ah!" }, { "start": 1416.88, "end": 1417.88, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 1417.88, "end": 1418.88, "text": " Ah!" }, { "start": 1418.88, "end": 1419.88, "text": " All right." }, { "start": 1419.88, "end": 1420.88, "text": " So." }, { "start": 1420.88, "end": 1421.88, "text": " This is so cool." }, { "start": 1421.88, "end": 1422.88, "text": " Take it easy." }, { "start": 1422.88, "end": 1423.88, "text": " Try to use your head more than you're using the right thumb stick." }, { "start": 1423.88, "end": 1427.64, "text": " So I'm looking at this fan, and I can like track the, whoa, dude." }, { "start": 1427.64, "end": 1428.64, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1428.64, "end": 1433.88, "text": " I know that me looking at a fan is not awesome for you, but it is super trippy for me." }, { "start": 1433.88, "end": 1434.88, "text": " So you can go like down and around the corner." }, { "start": 1434.88, "end": 1435.88, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1435.88, "end": 1436.88, "text": " I'm sorry." }, { "start": 1436.88, "end": 1437.88, "text": " That's my bad." }, { "start": 1437.88, "end": 1438.88, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1438.88, "end": 1439.88, "text": " Whoa!" }, { "start": 1439.88, "end": 1440.88, "text": " Take your time." }, { "start": 1440.88, "end": 1441.88, "text": " This is, whoa, God." }, { "start": 1441.88, "end": 1442.88, "text": " So I'm not good at video games." }, { "start": 1442.88, "end": 1445.1200000000001, "text": " I don't know if that's obvious to everyone." }, { "start": 1445.1200000000001, "end": 1446.1200000000001, "text": " This is awesome." }, { "start": 1446.1200000000001, "end": 1447.1200000000001, "text": " What's some stuff?" }, { "start": 1447.1200000000001, "end": 1448.1200000000001, "text": " Whoa, God." }, { "start": 1448.1200000000001, "end": 1449.1200000000001, "text": " Oh, God." }, { "start": 1449.1200000000001, "end": 1450.1200000000001, "text": " Oh, God." }, { "start": 1450.1200000000001, "end": 1451.1200000000001, "text": " There's a camper." }, { "start": 1451.1200000000001, "end": 1452.1200000000001, "text": " I'm going to throw up from watching you do this." }, { "start": 1452.1200000000001, "end": 1455.72, "text": " I mean, I will say like this is ridiculous." }, { "start": 1455.72, "end": 1458.3600000000001, "text": " I don't like 3D things." }, { "start": 1458.3600000000001, "end": 1463.8000000000002, "text": " I usually get a headache and hate myself, but this is legitimately like awesome 3D." }, { "start": 1463.8, "end": 1464.8, "text": " So like virtually-" }, { "start": 1464.8, "end": 1465.8, "text": " This feels like I'm in this room." }, { "start": 1465.8, "end": 1466.8, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1466.8, "end": 1467.8, "text": " Go up to those sparks." }, { "start": 1467.8, "end": 1468.8, "text": " Try looking into them." }, { "start": 1468.8, "end": 1469.8, "text": " It'll actually feel like you're-" }, { "start": 1469.8, "end": 1470.8, "text": " Hello." }, { "start": 1470.8, "end": 1471.8, "text": " That's what it feels-" }, { "start": 1471.8, "end": 1472.8, "text": " Walk further." }, { "start": 1472.8, "end": 1473.8, "text": " Walk further." }, { "start": 1473.8, "end": 1474.8, "text": " Oh, my God." }, { "start": 1474.8, "end": 1475.8, "text": " There you go." }, { "start": 1475.8, "end": 1476.8, "text": " Why?" }, { "start": 1476.8, "end": 1477.8, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1477.8, "end": 1478.8, "text": " No, I'm on fire." }, { "start": 1478.8, "end": 1479.8, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1479.8, "end": 1480.8, "text": " Okay." }, { "start": 1480.8, "end": 1481.8, "text": " Come on." }, { "start": 1481.8, "end": 1482.8, "text": " This is awesome." }, { "start": 1482.8, "end": 1483.8, "text": " I mean like, you can probably see this on the screen behind me, but this feels like these" }, { "start": 1483.8, "end": 1484.8, "text": " are falling on me, which, I don't know." }, { "start": 1484.8, "end": 1487.3999999999999, "text": " And it actually feels like those pipes are actually running by your head." }, { "start": 1487.3999999999999, "end": 1488.3999999999999, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1488.3999999999999, "end": 1489.3999999999999, "text": " I mean, yeah." }, { "start": 1489.3999999999999, "end": 1490.3999999999999, "text": " No, these pipes, I'm pointing at nothing." }, { "start": 1490.3999999999999, "end": 1493.3999999999999, "text": " I mean, that's the level of immersion that, God, I got to get out of these sparks." }, { "start": 1493.4, "end": 1495.1200000000001, "text": " You're just trying to point at the pipes." }, { "start": 1495.1200000000001, "end": 1496.1200000000001, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1496.1200000000001, "end": 1497.1200000000001, "text": " No, that's the level." }, { "start": 1497.1200000000001, "end": 1498.1200000000001, "text": " I mean, I feel like I can point at things while I'm wearing this." }, { "start": 1498.1200000000001, "end": 1501.1200000000001, "text": " I mean, I also feel like I'm chaotically moving around in space because-" }, { "start": 1501.1200000000001, "end": 1502.1200000000001, "text": " That's exactly what's happening." }, { "start": 1502.1200000000001, "end": 1503.1200000000001, "text": " You are chaotically moving." }, { "start": 1503.1200000000001, "end": 1504.1200000000001, "text": " I might-" }, { "start": 1504.1200000000001, "end": 1505.1200000000001, "text": " I have to say, here's what I was going to say-" }, { "start": 1505.1200000000001, "end": 1506.1200000000001, "text": " Try moving one at a time." }, { "start": 1506.1200000000001, "end": 1507.1200000000001, "text": " This is like drunk Neela in a spaceship." }, { "start": 1507.1200000000001, "end": 1508.1200000000001, "text": " Here's what I want you to know." }, { "start": 1508.1200000000001, "end": 1512.4, "text": " If I could move my body like this in like real life, this is what I would do." }, { "start": 1512.4, "end": 1513.4, "text": " I would just-" }, { "start": 1513.4, "end": 1514.4, "text": " Oh, my God." }, { "start": 1514.4, "end": 1515.4, "text": " I'm dancing." }, { "start": 1515.4, "end": 1516.4, "text": " It's like you're the Flash." }, { "start": 1516.4, "end": 1519.64, "text": " Have you ever seen me on a dance floor at a nightclub on drugs?" }, { "start": 1519.64, "end": 1520.64, "text": " It's very-" }, { "start": 1520.64, "end": 1521.64, "text": " Because it looks-" }, { "start": 1521.64, "end": 1524.16, "text": " It actually looks like I'm wearing a headset holding an Xbox controller." }, { "start": 1524.16, "end": 1526.2800000000002, "text": " Is there other stuff for me to look at?" }, { "start": 1526.2800000000002, "end": 1527.2800000000002, "text": " Oh, God." }, { "start": 1527.2800000000002, "end": 1528.2800000000002, "text": " Whoa." }, { "start": 1528.2800000000002, "end": 1529.2800000000002, "text": " Yeah, there's a few cool-" }, { "start": 1529.2800000000002, "end": 1530.2800000000002, "text": " Okay, that was really awesome." }, { "start": 1530.2800000000002, "end": 1531.2800000000002, "text": " That looked like I was going to hit my head." }, { "start": 1531.2800000000002, "end": 1536.3200000000002, "text": " I stopped because that is about head height for me, and that is very uncomfortable." }, { "start": 1536.3200000000002, "end": 1539.76, "text": " Well, that's one of the cool things about VR is you actually notice the sense of scale" }, { "start": 1539.76, "end": 1540.76, "text": " and the environmental." }, { "start": 1540.76, "end": 1541.76, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1541.76, "end": 1542.76, "text": " I mean, this is like-" }, { "start": 1542.76, "end": 1544.8000000000002, "text": " I'm like inches away from this." }, { "start": 1544.8000000000002, "end": 1546.8400000000001, "text": " I want to-" }, { "start": 1546.8400000000001, "end": 1547.8400000000001, "text": " That's where-" }, { "start": 1547.8400000000001, "end": 1548.8400000000001, "text": " Hello." }, { "start": 1548.84, "end": 1552.08, "text": " Again, I'd like to point out that for the average viewer, what this looks like-" }, { "start": 1552.08, "end": 1553.08, "text": " No, you're wrong." }, { "start": 1553.08, "end": 1554.08, "text": " This is amazing." }, { "start": 1554.08, "end": 1555.08, "text": " This is fine." }, { "start": 1555.08, "end": 1556.08, "text": " It's like pie in the air stupidly." }, { "start": 1556.08, "end": 1557.08, "text": " Yep." }, { "start": 1557.08, "end": 1558.08, "text": " Oh, my God." }, { "start": 1558.08, "end": 1559.08, "text": " It's great." }, { "start": 1559.08, "end": 1560.08, "text": " Hello." }, { "start": 1560.08, "end": 1561.08, "text": " Can I go to Medieval Village?" }, { "start": 1561.08, "end": 1562.08, "text": " Oh, hey now." }, { "start": 1562.08, "end": 1563.08, "text": " My." }, { "start": 1563.08, "end": 1564.08, "text": " Hmm." }, { "start": 1564.08, "end": 1565.08, "text": " This is ridiculous." }, { "start": 1565.08, "end": 1568.6399999999999, "text": " So now he's in a completely entirely different place in just a few seconds." }, { "start": 1568.6399999999999, "end": 1571.6799999999998, "text": " Yes, but I'm also just doing this dance." }, { "start": 1571.6799999999998, "end": 1573.8799999999999, "text": " Try to use one thumb stick at a time." }, { "start": 1573.8799999999999, "end": 1574.8799999999999, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1574.8799999999999, "end": 1577.32, "text": " Why would you use one thumb when you can use two sticks?" }, { "start": 1577.32, "end": 1579.2, "text": " Well use your head instead of the thumb to move." }, { "start": 1579.2, "end": 1580.2, "text": " Try doing that." }, { "start": 1580.2, "end": 1581.2, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1581.2, "end": 1585.8, "text": " So tell me, where are we in the process of this becoming a thing I can buy and play games" }, { "start": 1585.8, "end": 1586.8, "text": " with?" }, { "start": 1586.8, "end": 1589.24, "text": " So we're shipping developer kits in two months for $300." }, { "start": 1589.24, "end": 1591.1599999999999, "text": " Because you started as a Kickstarter, right?" }, { "start": 1591.1599999999999, "end": 1592.1599999999999, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1592.1599999999999, "end": 1593.1599999999999, "text": " That was the first-" }, { "start": 1593.1599999999999, "end": 1595.36, "text": " So we started as a Kickstarter, raised two and a half million dollars to ship developer" }, { "start": 1595.36, "end": 1596.62, "text": " kits." }, { "start": 1596.62, "end": 1600.04, "text": " As far as when everyone's going to be able to do this, that really depends on the feedback" }, { "start": 1600.04, "end": 1601.04, "text": " that we get from developers." }, { "start": 1601.04, "end": 1605.1799999999998, "text": " We're putting these out there so that we can hear from people like him and say, these" }, { "start": 1605.1799999999998, "end": 1606.86, "text": " are the improvements that we want to see." }, { "start": 1606.86, "end": 1608.26, "text": " This is what we really need." }, { "start": 1608.26, "end": 1610.3799999999999, "text": " And then we can deliver that in a consumer version." }, { "start": 1610.3799999999999, "end": 1611.8799999999999, "text": " So I can't like peer things." }, { "start": 1611.8799999999999, "end": 1612.8799999999999, "text": " No." }, { "start": 1612.8799999999999, "end": 1614.4799999999998, "text": " So right now all you have is rotational tracking." }, { "start": 1614.4799999999998, "end": 1620.58, "text": " Our tracker is currently a gyroscope, an accelerometer, and a magnetometer." }, { "start": 1620.58, "end": 1623, "text": " So it's only netting you basically rotational tracking." }, { "start": 1623, "end": 1625.8799999999999, "text": " And also if you roll your head, we have it on a neck model." }, { "start": 1625.8799999999999, "end": 1628.1999999999998, "text": " So it knows your head can only move in a certain way." }, { "start": 1628.1999999999998, "end": 1629.8999999999999, "text": " So you get a little bit of position there." }, { "start": 1629.8999999999999, "end": 1632.52, "text": " But if you're doing this, you're not going to get anything." }, { "start": 1632.52, "end": 1634.04, "text": " I don't know what you just did because-" }, { "start": 1634.04, "end": 1636.6, "text": " If I lean forward and lean backwards, I don't get anything." }, { "start": 1636.6, "end": 1639.6399999999999, "text": " That's something that we're working on for the consumer version." }, { "start": 1639.6399999999999, "end": 1644.24, "text": " It's basically a must-have kind of feature to keep players from getting disoriented," }, { "start": 1644.24, "end": 1646, "text": " to really connect that feel of immersion." }, { "start": 1646, "end": 1648.12, "text": " I'm going to take the controller one more time and I'm going to put you in the medieval" }, { "start": 1648.12, "end": 1650.08, "text": " village because you wanted to be there." }, { "start": 1650.08, "end": 1654.04, "text": " So what other kinds of movements and stuff can you program into this?" }, { "start": 1654.04, "end": 1656.28, "text": " What else have you tested and thought about doing?" }, { "start": 1656.28, "end": 1657.48, "text": " Movements in terms of what your head can do?" }, { "start": 1657.48, "end": 1659.62, "text": " Or just other things that Neil could be doing right now." }, { "start": 1659.62, "end": 1664.76, "text": " So one of the things that we're looking into doing is integrating different kinds of motion" }, { "start": 1664.76, "end": 1665.76, "text": " controllers." }, { "start": 1665.76, "end": 1669.08, "text": " We think it would be really cool in a future version to be able to see your hands or to" }, { "start": 1669.08, "end": 1673.08, "text": " be able to hold a weapon and actually move it around in a real space or track your whole" }, { "start": 1673.08, "end": 1674.08, "text": " body." }, { "start": 1674.08, "end": 1676.32, "text": " And those are all things that we're experimenting with right now." }, { "start": 1676.32, "end": 1680.32, "text": " So the thing I can't do in 3D is I can't look around this thing." }, { "start": 1680.32, "end": 1681.32, "text": " Exactly." }, { "start": 1681.32, "end": 1684.04, "text": " You don't have any positional tracking right now." }, { "start": 1684.04, "end": 1687.16, "text": " You probably missed it because you were so enthralled." }, { "start": 1687.16, "end": 1689.2, "text": " That's one of the things that will be in the consumer version." }, { "start": 1689.2, "end": 1690.2, "text": " I'm leaving the village." }, { "start": 1690.2, "end": 1691.2, "text": " Ah!" }, { "start": 1691.2, "end": 1694.2, "text": " I look like a bird?" }, { "start": 1694.2, "end": 1697.1200000000001, "text": " So our producer just said in my ear I look like some kind of bird." }, { "start": 1697.1200000000001, "end": 1698.1200000000001, "text": " That's exactly correct." }, { "start": 1698.1200000000001, "end": 1699.1200000000001, "text": " I do?" }, { "start": 1699.1200000000001, "end": 1701.64, "text": " Like a terrifying blind bird that might kill you at any moment." }, { "start": 1701.64, "end": 1702.68, "text": " I mean, oh god." }, { "start": 1702.68, "end": 1707.48, "text": " One interesting thing, this isn't a next gen controller, it's just a gamepad because it's" }, { "start": 1707.48, "end": 1711.76, "text": " a tested interface that's good for developers to use for programming." }, { "start": 1711.76, "end": 1716.56, "text": " So when you say developers, are you talking to gaming companies or like Indies?" }, { "start": 1716.56, "end": 1718, "text": " People or who else?" }, { "start": 1718, "end": 1721.8, "text": " So I mean I come from the Indie community, the hacker enthusiast community." }, { "start": 1721.8, "end": 1724.72, "text": " I think that there's going to be some really amazing stuff that comes out of Indies and" }, { "start": 1724.72, "end": 1727.9199999999998, "text": " small studios that are just building stuff from the ground up." }, { "start": 1727.9199999999998, "end": 1732.04, "text": " I mean just one thing is like coming up to this building and looking up to see what it" }, { "start": 1732.04, "end": 1736.78, "text": " is instead of having to run away and look at the sign is like very different." }, { "start": 1736.78, "end": 1738.9199999999998, "text": " It feels like I'm in this medieval village." }, { "start": 1738.9199999999998, "end": 1741.8799999999999, "text": " I would like, I mean if I could just sit on this rock and maybe get some wine and some" }, { "start": 1741.8799999999999, "end": 1742.8799999999999, "text": " cheese." }, { "start": 1742.8799999999999, "end": 1744, "text": " This is very relaxing." }, { "start": 1744, "end": 1747.48, "text": " Just sit and drink some real life wine and cheese in VR Village." }, { "start": 1747.48, "end": 1748.48, "text": " Am I in a lake?" }, { "start": 1748.48, "end": 1749.48, "text": " It's a little pond." }, { "start": 1749.48, "end": 1751.48, "text": " Oh god, I could just sit here for hours." }, { "start": 1751.48, "end": 1755.92, "text": " But there will be AAA titles that will be really interesting but I think that the most" }, { "start": 1755.92, "end": 1759.96, "text": " interesting thing overall will be Indies who build games for VR from the ground up." }, { "start": 1759.96, "end": 1764.2, "text": " Because like the iPhone, the best games are not the ports of first person shooters." }, { "start": 1764.2, "end": 1766.8, "text": " They're the ones that use touch screen analog sticks." }, { "start": 1766.8, "end": 1769.24, "text": " They're the ones that were designed with the hardware in mind." }, { "start": 1769.24, "end": 1772.76, "text": " It's the same thing for probably the Wii where there's some games that used it in maybe a" }, { "start": 1772.76, "end": 1774.68, "text": " gimmicky fashion where it was shoehorned in." }, { "start": 1774.68, "end": 1778.5, "text": " But Nintendo first party titles, most people would agree, they utilize motion controls" }, { "start": 1778.5, "end": 1779.66, "text": " in a really good way." }, { "start": 1779.66, "end": 1781.46, "text": " I think it's going to be the same way for VR." }, { "start": 1781.46, "end": 1785.16, "text": " People are going to have to make games that are designed with virtual reality in mind." }, { "start": 1785.16, "end": 1787.52, "text": " I don't know how to get out of that pond." }, { "start": 1787.52, "end": 1788.52, "text": " So you live there now." }, { "start": 1788.52, "end": 1790.68, "text": " It's a one way ticket." }, { "start": 1790.68, "end": 1791.68, "text": " At which point do I drown?" }, { "start": 1791.68, "end": 1796.2, "text": " At which point does the headset alert me that my lungs are rapidly filling with water?" }, { "start": 1796.2, "end": 1797.2, "text": " Oh I'm out of the pond!" }, { "start": 1797.2, "end": 1798.2, "text": " What?" }, { "start": 1798.2, "end": 1799.2, "text": " You did it." }, { "start": 1799.2, "end": 1800.2, "text": " There you go." }, { "start": 1800.2, "end": 1803.3600000000001, "text": " So when, can you give us an idea of the timeline of all this?" }, { "start": 1803.3600000000001, "end": 1805.3600000000001, "text": " You're shipping out to developers in two months." }, { "start": 1805.3600000000001, "end": 1807.3600000000001, "text": " So we're shipping out to developers in two months." }, { "start": 1807.36, "end": 1812.08, "text": " We're already working on prototypes of the next generation consumer version." }, { "start": 1812.08, "end": 1815.52, "text": " We're not going to ship it until we have time to get feedback from developers." }, { "start": 1815.52, "end": 1818.6799999999998, "text": " But it's not going to be one of those things that never shows up or takes years and years." }, { "start": 1818.6799999999998, "end": 1822.6399999999999, "text": " It's going to be in the relatively near future." }, { "start": 1822.6399999999999, "end": 1823.6399999999999, "text": " Fair enough." }, { "start": 1823.6399999999999, "end": 1824.6399999999999, "text": " Cool." }, { "start": 1824.6399999999999, "end": 1825.6399999999999, "text": " Well thank you so much for coming out and showing us." }, { "start": 1825.6399999999999, "end": 1826.6399999999999, "text": " Thank you for having me." }, { "start": 1826.6399999999999, "end": 1829.4399999999998, "text": " If only for the unbelievable gifts that we're about to see of Nili Patella." }, { "start": 1829.4399999999998, "end": 1833.28, "text": " Please do not take this away from my head." }, { "start": 1833.28, "end": 1834.28, "text": " So alright." }, { "start": 1834.28, "end": 1835.28, "text": " This is awesome." }, { "start": 1835.28, "end": 1836.28, "text": " You can keep playing." }, { "start": 1836.28, "end": 1837.28, "text": " It's cool." }, { "start": 1837.28, "end": 1838.28, "text": " It's gonna be fine." }, { "start": 1838.28, "end": 1839.28, "text": " Oh god." }, { "start": 1839.28, "end": 1840.28, "text": " Let's make sure his eyes aren't all bloodshot." }, { "start": 1840.28, "end": 1841.28, "text": " You good?" }, { "start": 1841.28, "end": 1842.28, "text": " Yeah I'm good." }, { "start": 1842.28, "end": 1843.28, "text": " Is it worse out here?" }, { "start": 1843.28, "end": 1844.28, "text": " You'd rather go back?" }, { "start": 1844.28, "end": 1845.28, "text": " I mean that was very relaxing man." }, { "start": 1845.28, "end": 1846.28, "text": " I found a leg." }, { "start": 1846.28, "end": 1847.28, "text": " I left the leg." }, { "start": 1847.28, "end": 1848.28, "text": " Is this going to be the new massage chairs?" }, { "start": 1848.28, "end": 1849.28, "text": " Where you go and you get massage chairs?" }, { "start": 1849.28, "end": 1850.28, "text": " You go and you put it on the seat." }, { "start": 1850.28, "end": 1852.28, "text": " You just hang out in the medieval village for a while." }, { "start": 1852.28, "end": 1853.28, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1853.28, "end": 1857.6, "text": " I will say that taking that off and coming back to this space actually felt like returning" }, { "start": 1857.6, "end": 1859.76, "text": " to this space as opposed to like." }, { "start": 1859.76, "end": 1860.76, "text": " Turning your TV off." }, { "start": 1860.76, "end": 1861.76, "text": " Not looking at the screen anymore." }, { "start": 1861.76, "end": 1862.76, "text": " And that's what it's all about." }, { "start": 1862.76, "end": 1863.76, "text": " Being inside the game." }, { "start": 1863.76, "end": 1864.76, "text": " Yeah." }, { "start": 1864.76, "end": 1865.76, "text": " Cool." }, { "start": 1865.76, "end": 1866.76, "text": " Well thank you again." }, { "start": 1866.76, "end": 1867.76, "text": " Thank you so much for letting me play with that." }, { "start": 1867.76, "end": 1868.76, "text": " That is." }, { "start": 1868.76, "end": 1869.76, "text": " Thank you." }, { "start": 1869.76, "end": 1870.76, "text": " That is our show." }, { "start": 1870.76, "end": 1871.76, "text": " We'll be back tomorrow." }, { "start": 1871.76, "end": 1873.32, "text": " We have all kinds of other stuff." }, { "start": 1873.32, "end": 1877.6, "text": " We have First tomorrow morning with all the other stuff that's going on in the world of" }, { "start": 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"text": " And we're proud of what we've made, and we're really happy that our factories just entered" }, { "start": 35.44, "end": 42.58, "text": " mass production, and we're ramping up as we start shipping those out." }, { "start": 42.58, "end": 45.879999999999995, "text": " I'm mainly excited to hear what people think of it, because we've been working on this" }, { "start": 45.879999999999995, "end": 49.76, "text": " with our heads down for eight months, and it's going to be really exciting." }, { "start": 49.76, "end": 52.599999999999994, "text": " So you're shipping on the 23rd, and obviously you're not going to be able to get to all" }, { "start": 52.599999999999994, "end": 55.84, "text": " of your backers right away, because you guys had how many backers on Kickstarter?" }, { "start": 55.84, "end": 62.480000000000004, "text": " So we had 68,000 backers on Kickstarter who pledged towards 85,000 watches." }, { "start": 62.480000000000004, "end": 67.08, "text": " Our production line will be at its peak, spitting out 15,000 watches per week." }, { "start": 67.08, "end": 71.92, "text": " So it'll be a little while before every single Kickstarter backer gets their watch, but the" }, { "start": 71.92, "end": 77.36, "text": " good news is it's finished, and we're starting to ship." }, { "start": 77.36, "end": 81.84, "text": " And once you get through your batch of everything you're making for backers, you're making 15,000" }, { "start": 81.84, "end": 84.44, "text": " a month, are you just going to keep making 15,000 a month?" }, { "start": 84.44, "end": 85.44, "text": " A week, excuse me, a week." }, { "start": 85.44, "end": 87.03999999999999, "text": " Are you just going to keep on doing that?" }, { "start": 87.03999999999999, "end": 92.64, "text": " Yeah, so after our Kickstarter project closed on Kickstarter, we opened up a website that" }, { "start": 92.64, "end": 96.92, "text": " took pre-orders, so people who were interested could sign their name down." }, { "start": 96.92, "end": 100.08, "text": " We have tens of thousands of people who have signed up for that." }, { "start": 100.08, "end": 105.16, "text": " So our goal is to just keep pumping out pebbles as much as people want them." }, { "start": 105.16, "end": 107.47999999999999, "text": " So the software, I want to talk a little bit about it." }, { "start": 107.47999999999999, "end": 112.36, "text": " You've got different watch faces, and there's more watch faces coming from developers soon." }, { "start": 112.36, "end": 116.4, "text": " You've got people able to soon be able to make their own watch faces to put onto the" }, { "start": 116.4, "end": 117.4, "text": " watch." }, { "start": 117.4, "end": 120.5, "text": " Yeah, so there's several aspects to the sort of customizability of Pebble." }, { "start": 120.5, "end": 124.58, "text": " One is the ability to run or install or download or create your own watch faces." }, { "start": 124.58, "end": 128.94, "text": " There's also the ability to have notifications from the web sent to your Pebble, or even" }, { "start": 128.94, "end": 132.92, "text": " to have apps on your phone send messages to your Pebble." }, { "start": 132.92, "end": 136.96, "text": " And that works basically, from what I understand, that to send a notification to your Pebble" }, { "start": 136.96, "end": 141.96, "text": " right now it supports SMS, email, and phone calls." }, { "start": 141.96, "end": 143.24, "text": " And then it can control music." }, { "start": 143.24, "end": 145.24, "text": " On iPhone it also does iMessage as well." }, { "start": 145.24, "end": 146.24, "text": " It does iMessage." }, { "start": 146.24, "end": 150.72, "text": " And on Android we've got Google Talk notifications and Google Voice already integrated." }, { "start": 150.72, "end": 152.88, "text": " Are you guys hoping to build like an app ecosystem?" }, { "start": 152.88, "end": 156.48000000000002, "text": " Because I mean, I know you're partnered with 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}, { "start": 185.96, "end": 187.6, "text": " sort of apps." }, { "start": 187.6, "end": 190.72, "text": " We're starting with watch faces because it's kind of like a discrete problem that we can" }, { "start": 190.72, "end": 194.56, "text": " solve and make sure that the SDK is working well." }, { "start": 194.56, "end": 200.08, "text": " From there, we'll expand to apps that include buttons or interactions, so games." }, { "start": 200.08, "end": 203.24, "text": " I think that casual gaming will be pretty cool in Pebble." }, { "start": 203.24, "end": 206.76, "text": " I'm really looking forward to Snake or something like that just to start with." }, { "start": 206.76, "end": 212.28, "text": " But really, from there, we'll be including API support for accelerometer reading." }, { "start": 212.28, "end": 217.12, "text": " So if you want to run an app that reads from the accelerometer and analyzes that data," }, { "start": 217.12, "end": 218.12, "text": " you can do that right on the 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[ { "start": 0, "end": 6.76, "text": " Hey, it's TC with The Verge, and I'm here with the CST-01 from Central Standard Timing." }, { "start": 6.76, "end": 9, "text": " They're calling it the world's thinnest watch." }, { "start": 9, "end": 15.56, "text": " It uses an E-Ink display, and the watch is.80 millimeters thin." }, { "start": 15.56, "end": 17.32, "text": " That's much thinner than a credit card." }, { "start": 17.32, "end": 20.48, "text": " The company says they haven't been able to verify any watch in the world that's thicker," }, { "start": 20.48, "end": 22.32, "text": " and we're inclined to believe them." }, { "start": 22.32, "end": 24.16, "text": " As you can see, this is a black model." }, { "start": 24.16, "end": 25.16, "text": " It's very sharp." }, { "start": 25.16, "end": 28.2, "text": " Unfortunately, it doesn't have any backlighting, so it may be difficult to see at night, but" }, { "start": 28.2, "end": 34.519999999999996, "text": " the construction is very nice, very thin, and it's a cuff, so it just cuffs right under" }, { "start": 34.519999999999996, "end": 36.12, "text": " your arm." }, { "start": 36.12, "end": 38.12, "text": " Right now, it's a..." }, { "start": 38.12, "end": 39.12, "text": " Just changed time there." }, { "start": 39.12, "end": 40.6, "text": " You can see the little flashing action." }, { "start": 40.6, "end": 47.16, "text": " They just put it up on Kickstarter, and you can pre-order right now for $129, and their" }, { "start": 47.16, "end": 51.44, "text": " company is hoping to reach a goal of $200,000." }, { "start": 51.44, "end": 55.28, "text": " As you can see, it can withstand a little bit of abuse, though the company just really" }, { "start": 55.28, "end": 59.160000000000004, "text": " came up with this prototype recently, and we'll be doing some torture testing soon." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 6.6000000000000005, "text": " It's January 8, 2013." }, { "start": 6.6000000000000005, "end": 11.08, "text": " I'm Brian Bishop and welcome to day two of 90 on 90 presented by Ford." }, { "start": 11.08, "end": 14.120000000000001, "text": " Sony is launching its own 4K video distribution service." }, { "start": 14.120000000000001, "end": 16.92, "text": " Yesterday the company announced it would be rolling out its own solution to the biggest" }, { "start": 16.92, "end": 19.76, "text": " problem with 4K, the fact that there's nothing to watch." }, { "start": 19.76, "end": 23.68, "text": " Details were scarce but the service should arrive sometime this summer." }, { "start": 23.68, "end": 26.84, "text": " Sony also has two new TVs to take advantage of the content." }, { "start": 26.84, "end": 31.6, "text": " Between 55 and 65 inches they'll join the 84 inch TV Sony already has on sale but at" }, { "start": 31.6, "end": 33.56, "text": " a more accessible price point." }, { "start": 33.56, "end": 37.36, "text": " Given that the larger model costs $25,000 that shouldn't be a problem." }, { "start": 37.36, "end": 39.68, "text": " It wasn't all TVs however." }, { "start": 39.68, "end": 42.519999999999996, "text": " Sony also introduced its new flagship smartphone." }, { "start": 42.519999999999996, "end": 46.32, "text": " The Xperia Z is an Android device with a 5 inch 1080p display." }, { "start": 46.32, "end": 49.96, "text": " Its quad core processor also gives it enough house horse power to shoot high dynamic range" }, { "start": 49.96, "end": 54, "text": " video and if it's the type that tends to have accidents around the sink it's water resistant" }, { "start": 54, "end": 55.68, "text": " up to a depth of one meter." }, { "start": 55.68, "end": 60.56, "text": " Unfortunately the phone won't go on sale until March at the earliest so until then stay dry." }, { "start": 60.56, "end": 63.28, "text": " Dish is making it easier to watch TV on the go." }, { "start": 63.28, "end": 67.72, "text": " The company will be building the SlingBox into all future versions of its Hopper DVR." }, { "start": 67.72, "end": 71.6, "text": " Dish previously offered a SlingDongle but now users can stream the Sling right out of" }, { "start": 71.6, "end": 72.6, "text": " the box." }, { "start": 72.6, "end": 75.72, "text": " It's an advantage over the authenticate services offered by other providers." }, { "start": 75.72, "end": 78.03999999999999, "text": " Assuming you have the bandwidth it should be a win." }, { "start": 78.03999999999999, "end": 80.86, "text": " Plus it's called the Hopper, it's adorable." }, { "start": 80.86, "end": 82.28, "text": " And those are the latest stories." }, { "start": 82.28, "end": 85.32, "text": " Join us in 90 minutes when we'll be looking at the seedy underground world of Las Vegas" }, { "start": 85.32, "end": 85.96, "text": " rodeos." } ]

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[ { "start": 0, "end": 7, "text": " Hey guys, this is Tom Warren with The Verge and I'm looking at Huawei's W1 Windows Phone" }, { "start": 7, "end": 8, "text": " 8 device." }, { "start": 8, "end": 11.8, "text": " Now this is a fairly standard device for Windows Phone here." }, { "start": 11.8, "end": 18, "text": " You've got the camera button on the side and the capacitive Windows Phone keys and the" }, { "start": 18, "end": 21.6, "text": " usual USB charging at the bottom here." }, { "start": 21.6, "end": 27.76, "text": " Huawei's got a forward facing camera on this one and they've got a 5 megapixel rear camera." }, { "start": 27.76, "end": 33.96, "text": " This side you've got a Qualcomm dual core Snapdragon and just 512 of RAM." }, { "start": 33.96, "end": 37.7, "text": " Looking at the software side of things, there doesn't seem to be too much customization" }, { "start": 37.7, "end": 38.7, "text": " going on in here." }, { "start": 38.7, "end": 44, "text": " You've actually got data sense which is fairly unusual to see on Windows Phones at the moment" }, { "start": 44, "end": 46.92, "text": " and so that's obviously on there." }, { "start": 46.92, "end": 52.72, "text": " Looking at the camera, there's no lenses in here so Huawei haven't really done a lot in" }, { "start": 52.72, "end": 56.34, "text": " terms of camera customization here." }, { "start": 56.34, "end": 60.160000000000004, "text": " So that's the W1 from Huawei and it's a Windows Phone 8 device." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 7.08, "text": " Hey guys, this is Amr from The Verge and I'm here at CES with Fulton Innovation who are" }, { "start": 7.08, "end": 12.36, "text": " here to show off their new e-coupled charging technology." }, { "start": 12.36, "end": 17.52, "text": " What this does basically is it allows you to charge your tablet or your phone with each" }, { "start": 17.52, "end": 18.52, "text": " other." }, { "start": 18.52, "end": 20.240000000000002, "text": " It's called bi-directional charging." }, { "start": 20.240000000000002, "end": 23.16, "text": " So for instance in this case what they've done is they've modified the internals of" }, { "start": 23.16, "end": 32.4, "text": " the Samsung GS2 and using a phone that has enabled with the Qi wireless charging standard," }, { "start": 32.4, "end": 39.879999999999995, "text": " you can just place it on the tablet itself and it will automatically start charging." }, { "start": 39.879999999999995, "end": 43.66, "text": " And it can go both ways, meaning that you can use the tablet to charge the phone or" }, { "start": 43.66, "end": 46, "text": " the phone to charge the tablet." }, { "start": 46, "end": 51.04, "text": " Fulton is actually looking to introduce this technology to the wireless power consortium" }, { "start": 51.04, "end": 56.4, "text": " within the very near future in the hopes of bringing it to market and selling it to OEMs" }, { "start": 56.4, "end": 81.52, "text": " there after once it receives approval." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 4.8, "text": " Hey everybody, it's Justin here with The Verge." }, { "start": 4.8, "end": 9.18, "text": " We're here with Extreme Reality checking out their 3D tracking technology that they actually" }, { "start": 9.18, "end": 14.36, "text": " use with software so that they can play 3D games using just a single camera." }, { "start": 14.36, "end": 18.36, "text": " We're playing here using just one built-in camera from a laptop and it's actually doing" }, { "start": 18.36, "end": 22.32, "text": " pretty well tracking all my movements, leaning forward with my arms going up." }, { "start": 22.32, "end": 26.44, "text": " I wouldn't say it's necessarily as sensitive as something like the Kinect, but it actually" }, { "start": 26.44, "end": 29.66, "text": " does a pretty good job all things considered." }, { "start": 29.66, "end": 31.6, "text": " They are going to have more apps for it." }, { "start": 31.6, "end": 35.56, "text": " What's kind of crazy about it is that the software that does the 3D tracking is actually" }, { "start": 35.56, "end": 39.32, "text": " built into the games as opposed to getting software separately." }, { "start": 39.32, "end": 42.92, "text": " You can even pick it up with Samsung PCs right now using Windows 8." }, { "start": 42.92, "end": 60.040000000000006, "text": " It's pretty cool and I'm actually pretty impressed." } ]

[ { "start": 0, "end": 8, "text": " This is Sean Hollister with The Verge and I'm here with the Gigabyte U2142 convertible" }, { "start": 8, "end": 9.4, "text": " Windows 8 tablet." }, { "start": 9.4, "end": 16.12, "text": " It's got an 11.6 inch screen that you can spin around, flip down, and bring up the entire" }, { "start": 16.12, "end": 23.48, "text": " device to use in tablet mode or spin around again and have the keyboard out for a laptop." }, { "start": 23.48, "end": 27.5, "text": " It's got Core i5 and i7 processors on board." }, { "start": 27.5, "end": 33, "text": " It's got not only a solid state drive but also a large hard drive inside so you've got" }, { "start": 33, "end": 37.82, "text": " both plenty of storage and the solid state drive for responsiveness when you need." }, { "start": 37.82, "end": 42.519999999999996, "text": " And it's not too heavy either at around 1.49 kilograms." }, { "start": 42.519999999999996, "end": 44.879999999999995, "text": " Swip through apps here a bit." }, { "start": 44.879999999999995, "end": 49.08, "text": " Touch screen isn't quite as responsive as I'd like based on what I'm seeing right here" }, { "start": 49.08, "end": 52.519999999999996, "text": " and the keyboard also doesn't look particularly great." }, { "start": 52.52, "end": 59.64, "text": " When I turn it around here you can see that the deck here is a little bit flexy and not" }, { "start": 59.64, "end": 67.84, "text": " quite as durable as you'd expect from most Ultrabooks but not a bad package all told." }, { "start": 67.84, "end": 70.80000000000001, "text": " Shame we're probably never going to see this one in the United States." }, { "start": 70.80000000000001, "end": 74.26, "text": " So here's a Windows 8 tablet you've probably never seen before." }, { "start": 74.26, "end": 81.76, "text": " This is the LG H160 and it's a sliding device with a pop-up keyboard." }, { "start": 81.76, "end": 86.24000000000001, "text": " It's got a nice big hinge in back, spring-loaded hinge that'll pop it right up when you push" }, { "start": 86.24000000000001, "end": 88.4, "text": " the slightest bit." }, { "start": 88.4, "end": 94.04, "text": " Then when you push it down again, get rid of that keyboard, you've got a fairly reasonably" }, { "start": 94.04, "end": 96.16000000000001, "text": " thin Clovertrail tablet." }, { "start": 96.16, "end": 113.19999999999999, "text": " And way too much either." } ]

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