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Re: Boeing TSTO (Was: Words from Chairman of Boeing)
In article <schumach.736269085@convex.convex.com>, schumach@convex.com (Richard A. Schumacher) writes:
|> [Description of Boeing study of two-staged spaceplane using
|> supersonic ramjets deleted.]
|>
|> In other words, Boeing is not seriously thinking about
|> reliable, less-expensive access to orbit. They just like
|> to fool around with exotic airplanes.
|>
No, it means that Boeing has something called foresight and vision...
Boeing became the success it is today by working on what you call "exotic
airplanes".
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768x1024 Trident Driver Wanted!
Is there a 768x1024 Trident driver for windows anywere.
This mode is supported by the drivers fo OS/2 but I have
not been able to find it for Windows.
(768x1024 means 768 wide and 1024 high as opposed to 1024x768)
Any help is appreciated.
---------------------------------
Peter Vestman
Dep of Computing Science
University of Umea, Sweden
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Re: XV 3.00 has escaped!
In article <46464@sophia.inria.fr>, muller@mafalda.inria.fr (Christophe Muller) writes:
> Anyway, at SIMULOG, we will abandon xv. We were using it mostly for slide-
> shows because of its "-loop" feature that display does not have (display
> from the *wonderful* ImageMagick package! :-D), but I think I will implement
> it myself (even a shell-script should do the job) and forget xv.
xli and xloadimage have a -goto flag.
Graeme Gill.
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Re: Albert Sabin
In article <1ph4c8$8j6@shrike.und.ac.za> dace@shrike.und.ac.za (Roy Dace) writes:
}Herb Huston (huston@access.digex.com) wrote:
}
}: Actually, cannibalism is quite widespread. My favorite examples are sand
}: sharks and mackerel sharks. The fetuses begin cannibalizing each other, and
}: the one that is eventually born enters the sea with a full stomache. Would
}: you like some more gruesome examples?
}
}Fair enough - I'm pretty well aware of the examples used - and mine were very
}rapidly and thoughtlessly pulled out of thin air, but the point I'm making is
}that our non-cannibalism doesn't imply any `value' over other animals.
Did something happen while I wasn't looking? When did _Homo sapiens_ become
non-cannibalistic?
-- Herb Huston
-- huston@access.digex.com
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Help find Stolen Car
I offered to relay this information for a ham friend of mine without
Internet access:
His name is Robert (Bob) Wondolowski, N1KDA, and his car was a
1985 Brown Cutlas Sierra Sedan, Massachusetts plate 716ADL.
His HT (Yaesu FT415) and mobile antenna were also included in the car.
It was stolen from Lynn, Mass. about 10 days ago (being on April 6).
If anyone has any information about the car's whereabouts, please e-mail
me.
Thank you for taking the time to read this message.
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Christianity & Logic (was: Xtian Morality is)
In article <4949@eastman.UUCP> dps@nasa.kodak.com writes:
>Simple logic arguments are folly. If you read the Bible you will see
>that Jesus made fools of those who tried to trick him with "logic".
> If you rely simply on your reason then you will never
>know more than you do now. ^^^^^^
I once heard an arguement from a xtian friend similar to this.
"Christianity is a Higher Logic. Athiest like u will not be able
to understand it. Your atheist logic is very low. Only thru faith can
we understand the Higher Logic in God".
So I asked him, "So what is this Higher Logic?"
His answer, "I don't know."
This, & the posting above highlights one of the worst things about
xtainity. It is abundantly clear to both atheists & xtains that
their believe is both illogical & irrational. Their tactics, therefore:
to disregard logic & rationality altogether. Silly excuses such as
the ones above and those such as, "How can u trust science, science
was invented by man!", only goes to further show the weakness of
their religion.
In my country where xtainity was and still is rapidly growing, xtains
never try to convert people by appealing to their brains or senses.
They know it would be a fruitless act, given the irrational nature
of their faith.
They would wait until a person is in distress, then they would comfort
him/her and addict them to their emotional opium.
Never in my life had I met a person who converted to xtainity coz it's
"reasonable". Rationality has no place in xtainity (see xtian arguement
against "reason" above).
--
The UnEnlightened One
------------------+--------------------------------------------------------
|
Tan Chade Meng | The wise man tells his wife that he understands her.
Singapore |
cmtan@iss.nus.sg | The fool tries to prove it.
|
------------------+--------------------------------------------------------
--
The UnEnlightened One
------------------+--------------------------------------------------------
|
Tan Chade Meng | The wise man tells his wife that he understands her.
Singapore |
cmtan@iss.nus.sg | The fool tries to prove it.
|
------------------+--------------------------------------------------------
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Re: First bike: Honda Ascot?
nbetz@csi.compuserve.com (Nathan Betz) writes:
>I'm going to be buying my first bike and I'm considering an 82
>Honda Ascot FT500 with less than 5K miles. Does this sound like a
>reasonable choice? Is there anything special I need to know?
An '82 FT500 Ascot was my first bike--I recommend it. If anyone's
interested, mine's for sale. It's in LA currently, with a bum
starter and around 10k miles. I'd like a couple hundred for it.
-- Rich
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Cobra 146GTL SSB/CB FOR SALE!
Well, I have it forsale again (the last deal didn't work out) and I lowered
the price again!
Cobra 146 GTL Single side band w/mike --> $75 or best offer!
dave
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Cal Poly, Life, Liberty, and the
SLO, CA 93401 Pursuit of Land Speed Records.
-Autobahn Commuters
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Re: Finding equally spaced points on a sphere.
In article <4615trd@rpi.edu> deweeset@ptolemy2.rdrc.rpi.edu (Thomas E. DeWeese) writes:
> Hello, I know that this has been discussed before. But at the time
>I didn't need to teselate a sphere. So if any kind soul has the code
>or the alg, that was finally decided upon as the best (as I recall it
>was a nice, iterative subdivision meathod), I would be very
>appreciative.
Here is one by Andrew "Graphics Gems" Glassner that I got from a
collegue of mine. I think I fiddled with it a little bit to make it
deal with whatever bizarre problem I was working on at the time but it
is known to work.
spl
- - - -
/* spheres
ASG 9 Feb 85
spl Thu Mar 8 17:17:40 EST 1990
*/
#include <stdio.h>
#include <math.h>
#define PI 3.141592654
struct Point_struct {
double x, y, z;
};
static double radius;
static double xorg;
static double yorg;
static double zorg;
do_sphere( r, freq, x, y, z )
double r;
int freq;
double x;
double y;
double z;
{
int pole;
double northy, southy, poley;
double rtheta, rtheta2, ntheta, ntheta2, magicangle;
double theta, thetastart, thisy, den, t;
struct Point_node *pnp;
struct Point_struct p1, p2, p3, p4, n1, n2, n3, n4, pt;
radius = r;
xorg = x;
yorg = y;
zorg = z;
/* north pole */
magicangle = 30.0*PI/180.0;
northy = radius*sin(magicangle);
southy = -radius*sin(magicangle);
for (pole=0; pole<2; pole++) {
if (pole==0) {
poley=radius;
thisy=northy;
thetastart=0.0;
}
else {
poley= -radius;
thisy=southy;
thetastart=36.0;
}
for ( theta = thetastart; theta < 360.0; theta += 60.0 ) {
rtheta = theta*PI/180.0;
rtheta2 = (theta+60.0)*PI/180.0;
p1.x = 0.0;
p1.y = poley;
p1.z = 0.0;
p2.x = radius*cos(rtheta);
p2.y = thisy;
p2.z = radius*sin(rtheta);
p3.x = radius*cos(rtheta2);
p3.y = thisy;
p3.z = radius*sin(rtheta2);
if (pole==0) {
/* make ring go the other way so normals are right */
pt.x = p3.x;
pt.y = p3.y;
pt.z = p3.z;
p3.x = p2.x;
p3.y = p2.y;
p3.z = p2.z;
p2.x = pt.x;
p2.y = pt.y;
p2.z = pt.z;
}
den = (p1.x*p1.x)+(p1.y*p1.y)+(p1.z*p1.z);
den = sqrt(den);
if (den != 0.0) {
t = radius / den;
p1.x *= t;
p1.y *= t;
p1.z *= t;
}
den = (p2.x*p2.x)+(p2.y*p2.y)+(p2.z*p2.z);
den = sqrt(den);
if (den != 0.0) {
t = radius / den;
p2.x *= t;
p2.y *= t;
p2.z *= t;
}
den = (p3.x*p3.x)+(p3.y*p3.y)+(p3.z*p3.z);
den = sqrt(den);
if (den != 0.0) {
t = radius / den;
p3.x *= t;
p3.y *= t;
p3.z *= t;
}
subdivide_tri(&p1,&p2,&p3,freq);
}
}
/* now the body */
for (theta=0.0; theta<360.0; theta += 60.0) {
rtheta = theta*PI/180.0;
rtheta2 = (theta+60.0)*PI/180.0;
ntheta = (theta+36.0)*PI/180.0;
ntheta2 = (theta+96.0)*PI/180.0;
p1.x = radius*cos(rtheta);
p1.y = northy;
p1.z = radius*sin(rtheta);
p2.x = radius*cos(rtheta2);
p2.y = northy;
p2.z = radius*sin(rtheta2);
p3.x = radius*cos(ntheta);
p3.y = southy;
p3.z = radius*sin(ntheta);
p4.x = radius*cos(ntheta2);
p4.y = southy;
p4.z = radius*sin(ntheta2);
den = (p1.x*p1.x)+(p1.y*p1.y)+(p1.z*p1.z);
den = sqrt(den);
if (den != 0.0) {
t = radius / den;
p1.x *= t;
p1.y *= t;
p1.z *= t;
}
den = (p2.x*p2.x)+(p2.y*p2.y)+(p2.z*p2.z);
den = sqrt(den);
if (den != 0.0) {
t = radius / den;
p2.x *= t;
p2.y *= t;
p2.z *= t;
}
den = (p3.x*p3.x)+(p3.y*p3.y)+(p3.z*p3.z);
den = sqrt(den);
if (den != 0.0) {
t = radius / den;
p3.x *= t;
p3.y *= t;
p3.z *= t;
}
den = (p4.x*p4.x)+(p4.y*p4.y)+(p4.z*p4.z);
den = sqrt(den);
if (den != 0.0) {
t = radius / den;
p4.x *= t;
p4.y *= t;
p4.z *= t;
}
subdivide_tri(&p1,&p2,&p3,freq);
subdivide_tri(&p3,&p2,&p4,freq);
}
return;
}
#define norm_pt(v) { register double r = sqrt( ( ( v )->x * ( v )->x ) + \
( ( v )->y * ( v )->y ) + \
( ( v )->z * ( v )->z ) ); \
( v )->x /= r; \
( v )->y /= r; \
( v )->z /= r; \
}
subdivide_tri(p1,p2,p3,a)
struct Point_struct *p1, *p2, *p3;
int a;
{
struct Point_struct n1, n2, n3;
struct Point_struct p12, p13, p23;
double den, t;
if (a>0) {
p12.x = (p1->x+p2->x)/2.0;
p12.y = (p1->y+p2->y)/2.0;
p12.z = (p1->z+p2->z)/2.0;
den = (p12.x*p12.x)+(p12.y*p12.y)+(p12.z*p12.z);
den = sqrt(den);
if (den != 0.0) {
t = radius / den;
p12.x *= t;
p12.y *= t;
p12.z *= t;
}
p13.x = (p1->x+p3->x)/2.0;
p13.y = (p1->y+p3->y)/2.0;
p13.z = (p1->z+p3->z)/2.0;
den = (p13.x*p13.x)+(p13.y*p13.y)+(p13.z*p13.z);
den = sqrt(den);
if (den != 0.0) {
t = radius / den;
p13.x *= t;
p13.y *= t;
p13.z *= t;
}
p23.x = (p2->x+p3->x)/2.0;
p23.y = (p2->y+p3->y)/2.0;
p23.z = (p2->z+p3->z)/2.0;
den = (p23.x*p23.x)+(p23.y*p23.y)+(p23.z*p23.z);
den = sqrt(den);
if (den != 0.0) {
t = radius / den;
p23.x *= t;
p23.y *= t;
p23.z *= t;
}
subdivide_tri(p1, &p12,&p13,a-1);
subdivide_tri(&p12, p2, &p23,a-1);
subdivide_tri(&p13,&p23, p3, a-1);
subdivide_tri(&p12,&p23,&p13,a-1);
} else {
n1.x = p1->x;
n1.y = p1->y;
n1.z = p1->z;
norm_pt(&n1);
n2.x = p2->x;
n2.y = p2->y;
n2.z = p2->z;
norm_pt(&n2);
n3.x = p3->x;
n3.y = p3->y;
n3.z = p3->z;
norm_pt(&n3);
/* nothing special about this poly */
printf( "%f %f %f %f %f %f\n", p1->x + xorg,
p1->y + yorg,
p1->z + zorg,
n1.x, n1.y, n1.z );
printf( "%f %f %f %f %f %f\n", p2->x + xorg,
p2->y + yorg,
p2->z + zorg,
n2.x, n2.y, n2.z );
printf( "%f %f %f %f %f %f\n", p3->x + xorg,
p3->y + yorg,
p3->z + zorg,
n3.x, n3.y, n3.z );
}
return;
}
--
Steve Lamont, SciViGuy -- (619) 534-7968 -- spl@szechuan.ucsd.edu
San Diego Microscopy and Imaging Resource/UC San Diego/La Jolla, CA 92093-0608
"My other car is a car, too."
- Bumper strip seen on I-805
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ECG data needed
I need some ECG data , uncompressed, hopefully in ascii format.
Don't care what it looks like, this is for a signal processing
project.
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Re: Rawlins debunks creationism
In article <C5wo5C.EBv@sunfish.usd.edu>, rfox@charlie.usd.edu (Rich Fox, Univ of South Dakota) writes:
>In article <30147@ursa.bear.com>, halat@panther.bears (Jim Halat) writes:
>>To repeat what I had said in an earlier post: Evolution is
>>a theory. If you accept it as fact, then that is faith and
>>not much different from religion. If you accept it as the
>>theory it is, then there is 0% religion involved and it
>>can be quite useful in the realm of science.
>>
>>Simply put, evolution/creation when each is looked at
>>properly -- theory/assertion not fact/fiction -- is a
>>specific example of exactly what separates soft athiesm
>>and science from religion.
----------------------
evolution = theory
creation = assertion
vs
evolution = fact
creation = fiction
----------------------
>>
>To repeat what I said in an earlier post: Evolution is theory and fact. If you
>accept the facts, then that is a display of reason and intelligence and much
>different from anachronistic religion. If you assess the theories of evolution
>objectively, then there can be 0% religion involved and evolution remains
>useful in the realm of science.
>
>Simply put, evolution/creation when each is looked at properly - theory/fact
>vs. assertion/fiction - is a specific example of exactly what separates reason
>and science from nonsense.
>
>Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota
-----------------------
evolution = theory
creation = fact
vs Is this demonstrating the nonsense part?
evolution = assertion
creation = fiction
----------------------
What is the fact of evolution? There is a difference between calling evolution a
fact and talking about the theory of evolution providing facts (I happen to think
the latter is more accurate ). And you said it best yourself: If you assess
the _theories_ of evolution objectively... Why didn't you say, If you assess
the _facts_ of evolution objectively...
--
jim halat halat@bear.com
bear-stearns --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you--
nyc i speak only for myself
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Re: $50,000 Reward!
In article <5APR199313494915@oregon.uoregon.edu> dreitman@oregon.uoregon.edu (Daniel R. Reitman, Attorney to Be) writes:
In article <1993Apr4.105514.11664@colorado.edu> ajteel@dendrite.cs.Colorado.EDU (A.J. Teel) writes...
> No, the definition of "resident" is very specific. It is the
>same thing as "alien". Look it up. Remember that the common usage of
>the words ARE NOT always their legal meaning.
This I gotta see some authority for.
from Black's Law Dictionary, Revised 4th Ed., page 1473:
RESIDENCE. A factual place of abode. Living in a particular
locality. Reese v. Reese, 179 Misc. 665, 40 N.Y.S.2d 468, 472;
Zimmerman, 175 Or. 585, 155 P.2d 293, 295. It requires only bodily
presence as an inhabitant of a place. In re Campbell's Guardianship,
216 Minn. 113, 11 N.W.2d 786, 789.
As ``domicile'' and ``residence'' are usually in the same place,
they are frequently used as if they had the same meaning, but they are
not identical terms, for a person may have two places of residence, as
in the city and country, but only one domicile. Residence means
living in a particular locality, but domicile means living in that
locality with intent to make it a fixed and permanent home. Residence
simply requires bodily presence as an inhabitant in a given place,
while domicile requires bodily presence in that place and also an
intention to make it one's domicile. In re Riley's Will, 266 N.Y.S.
209, 148 Misc. 588. ``Residence'' demands less intimate local ties
than ``domicile,'' but ``domicile'' allows absence for indefinite
period if intent to return remains. Immigration Act 1917, sec. 3, 8
U.S.C.A. sec. 136 (e, p). Transatlantica Italiana v. Elting,
C.C.A.N.Y., 74 F.2d 732, 733. But see, Ward v. Ward, 115, W.Va 429,
176 S.E. 708, 709; Southwestern Greyhound Lines v. Craig, 182 Okl.
610, 80 P 2d 221, 224; holding that residence and domicile are
synonymous terms. ``Residence'' has a meaning dependent on context
and purpose of statute. In re Jones, 341 Pa. 329, 19 A.2d 280, 282.
Words ``residence'' and ``domicile'' may have an identical or variable
meaning depending on subject-matter and context of statute. Kemp v.
Kemp, 16 N.Y.S.2d 26, 34, 172 Misc. 738.
Legal residence. See Legal.
RESIDENT. One who has his residence in a place. See Residence.
Also a tenant, who was obliged to reside on his lord's land, and
not to depart from the same; called, also, ``homme levant et
couchant,'' and in Normandy, ``resseant du fief.''
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Re: Goldwing performance
/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) / 11:06 am Apr 1, 1993 /
In article <1pf2hs$b4d@transfer.stratus.com>, cdodson@beast.cac.stratus.com
(R. Craig Dodson) wrote:
> From the summary in the back of Motorcyclist, they run the 1/4 in
> 13.07 at about 100 mph. Interestingly enough, this Winnebago of bikes
> is faster than any of the Harleys listed.
It depreciates much faster, too.
====================================================
John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona
All standard disclaimers apply.
----------
The '84 GL1200A hit the traps at 13.34 according to Cycle magazine. Yeah,
they depreciate faster than Harleys for the first couple of years then
they bottom out. Got my '86 GL1200I w/ 2275 miles on the odometer for
just under $5K in May of 1990 and would ask for $4500 now with almost
16K miles onnit....that's about 50% of what a new GL1500I would cost.
Think the '86 GL1200I originally sold for $6500 brand new, not sure.
If that's the case then it depreciated 30.77% over 7 years or a mere
$2000. Big Fat Hairy Deal! Based on what I know, Harleys tend to
depreciate your monies far more than the initial depreciation of
the bike itself when it comes to parts and service. All this about
Harleys holding their value better doesn't always wash away the
knocks on them...such as being much slower. ;-)
According to Peter Egan in the just released Cycle World his FLHS is a
real dog when he pillions his 120lb wife. All that money for a dog that
doesn't defecate much. =:-]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division,
350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: subliminal message flashing on TV
> Hi. I was doing research on subliminal suggestion for a psychology
> paper, and I read that one researcher flashed hidden messages on the
> TV screen at 1/200ths of a second. Is that possible? I thought the
> maximum rate the TV was even capable of displaying images was 1/30th
> of a second. (or 1/60th of a second for an image composed of only odd
> or even scan lines)
You are correct; the fastest "complete" image that could be presented on
TV would be one field, which is 1/60 of a second (approximately). Of course,
the phrase "TV screen" is often thrown around in reference to any CRT
display, so perhaps this researcher wasn't using normal TV rates. Might
even be a vector ("strokewriter") display, in which case the lower limit
on image time is anyone's guess (and is probably phosphor-persistence limited).
Bob Myers KC0EW Hewlett-Packard Co. |Opinions expressed here are not
Systems Technology Div. |those of my employer or any other
myers@fc.hp.com Fort Collins, Colorado |sentient life-form on this planet.
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RE: Abortion
To: hsims@vax.clarku.edu
From: anthony.landreneau@ozonehole.com
HS>Do you also think we shouldn't fund treatment for heart disease, since after
HS>all, those people are in that situation because of their lifestyle
HS>(overeating, lack of exercise, etc)? What about skin cancer patients
HS>(tanning), lung cancer patients (smoking), car accident victims (driving)?
Man Heather, you are trying to make me think again. First, heart
disease, we are all going to die.
To answer your question above, why should people who are
responsible pay for the irresponsible acts of others? One
more time, if you are going to engage in an act (eating, watching the
tube, smoking, drinking, driving (drinking and driving) you should be
responsible for your actions and the conquences of that action.
HS>Why limit yourself to just situations which are related to sexual behavior?
I'am not, it is just that babies are dieing and I need to move on that
right now. Do one thing right and do it well.
HS>Shouldn't we make all the people mentioned above take all the responsibility
HS>for their situation and not ask you to pay for it, since they too chose the
HS>course they led?
Couldn't have said it better.
Anthony
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Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Joseph Duffy (duffy@aslss02.asl.dl.nec.com) wrote:
: >>How does one falsify any origin theory? For example, are a forever existing
: >>universe or abiogenesis strictly falsifiable?
: >
: >The same way that any theory is proven false. You examine the predicitions
: >that the theory makes, and try to observe them. If you don't, or if you
: >observe things that the theory predicts wouldn't happen, then you have some
: >evidence against the theory. If the theory can't be modified to
: >incorporate the new observations, then you say that it is false.
But how does one handle the nonrepeatability of the experiment? In many types ofexperiments the "prediction" is that the observed phenomena will happen again
and be capable of being observed. For example, in chemistry someone may predict
: the outcome of a chemical reaction and then actually observe that reaction
repeatedly. You can't repeat or ever know for sure the original conditions that produced life. So it seems we could never say, "That's exactly how it happened."As far as we know that event was unobserved. (At least no one has admitted
: it. :-) ) So unlike the chemistry experiment repeatability and observability,
: strictly speaking, are lacking.
: --
Can't resist, because I've thought about it...
Basically what is being constructed is a theory of abiogenesis.
There are any number of criterion that would have to be satisfied for
the theory to be accurate, such as the hotly discussed topic of
stereoisomerism. Just making life in the lab wouldn't suffice (for
all the wonder that would engender!), because for the theory of
abiogenesis to be accurate, the life would have to resemble the best
idea we have of what the earliest lifeforms resembled.
Comes down to that old question "Can we ever really be sure?"
But if were to examine a claim that abiogenesis had been
demonstrated in the laboratory AND was the most likely path followed on
primordial Earth, I would look for the following:
1) Experiment reproduced a plausible primordial Earth
environment;
2) ALL contamination sources were eliminated;
3) The lifeform produced resembles primitive/simple Earth
lifeforms;
4) The theory accounts for differences in the modern
Earth environment and primitive Earth environment.
NOW, if those criteria were satisfied, Dr. Abio, who performed the
experiment, would then be in possession of the best candidate for
a theory of abiogenesis on the primordial Earth. At which point Dr.
BBio could then counter with a decisive critique keyed on an aspect
of the theory which doesn't match the early Earth environment, or
a characteristic of the new "lifeform" that doesn't resemble life
on Earth. Were he to suggest an improvement to eliminate the
discrepancies, and perform an experiment to demonstrate his claims,
Dr. BBio would then have the best theory.
Never provable; constantly modifiable; progressing ever
closer to the "correct" answer, until the evidence is overwhelming
(and even when it is, a theory that explains even MORE may take its
place) ---
---- that's a scientific theory.
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| |
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| of venous blood, while blood in the erect penis is |
| fully oxygenated like arterial blood. These findings |
| came to light thanks to volunteers, from whom blood |
| samples were drawn at appropriate stages of their |
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Re: ?? DOS font size in windows??
S. Alavi (ssa@unity.ncsu.edu) wrote:
:
: I have an 8514/A card, and I am using windows in 1024x768 mode
: (normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode
: the DOS window font is too small for my 14" monitor. Is there a
: way to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to
: excuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to
: MS Windows world.
:
: Thanks.
:
: (Please include this message for reference)
: ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ========
: (919)515-8063 (W)
As I can recall, you can click on the upper left button of dos window, then
choose font to change. Also there is a demo window to show you in advance how
the font you choose will affect the size of dos window. Make a try!
| 2 |
Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!
In article <sandvik-210493230542@sandvik-kent.apple.com>, sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
|> In article <1993Apr21.145336.5912@ra.royalroads.ca>,
|> mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee) wrote:
|> > And does it not say in scripture that no man knows the hour of His coming, not
|> > even the angels in Heaven but only the Father Himself? DK was trying to play
|> > God by breaking the seals himself. DK killed himself and as many of his
|> > followers as he could. BTW, God did save the children. They are in Heaven,
|> > a far better place. How do I know? By faith.
|>
|> It seems faith is the only tool available for emotional purposes
|> due to the tragedy. As such it maybe fills a need, however I'm
|> getting tired to see children dying in pain in Sudan due to lack
|> of food, and assuming that God takes these sufferers to heaven
|> after a painful death.
|>
If the children are not being fed, whose fault is that? You and I
have plenty of food on our tables while others starve. Why is that?
God gave us this earth to manage. I don't think we're doing a very
good job of it. The only consolation I have for those suffering
children is that they will be received into the kingdom of Heaven
where they will never thirst and never hunger again.
Peace be with you,
Malcolm Lee :)
|>
|> Cheers,
|> Kent
|> ---
|> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
| 19 |
Re: army in space
There is the Army Ballistic Missile Defense Organization.
They were the precursors to SDIO. and still exist under
that umbrella. Army Signal Corp's and DCA defense Comm Agency
oops DISA, they just changed names do space work. that's
the point of all those defense comm sats.
But don't worry, there are lots of jobs that need ditch digging,
somehow you'll end up there ;-)
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.gif to .wpg or .tiff converter
I am looking for an available program that would convert gif
files to other formats usable on DOS-based software such
as WordPerfect Presentations (which will handle .wpg and .tiff,
among others).
Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you very much for
your time and help.
Steve
alford@novavax.nova.edu
--
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3301 College Avenue, Ft. Lauderdale, Fl. 33314
UUCP: ...{gatech!uflorida,ucf-cs}!novavax!alford
Internet: alford@novavax.nova.edu
| 1 |
Re: Drag CoefficientsVx?s?
In a previous article, gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan) says:
>Could someone explain how to make sense of drag coefficients (i.e Cd) mentioned in magazines. I understand that lower numbers signify better aerodynamics but
>what does this mean in the real world. Is there a way to calculate new top speeds(assuming the car is not rev limited at top speed) or mileage benefits if a identical car had the Cd reduced from .34 to .33.
It's pretty complex, and Cd isn't the whole story either. Cd for cars is
usually calculated based on the frontal area of the car. So a large car
with a good Cd could get the same drag force as a smaller car with a
poorer Cd.
To calculate drag use this formula:
D = 1/2 * rho * v^2 * Cd * S
Where D is the drag force (lbs), rho is the local air density (slugs/ft^3),
V is the velocity (ft/s), and S is the frontal area (ft^2). Note that the
pieces called 1/2 * rho * v^2 are sometimes called qbar or dynamic pressure
(a fancy aero term for air pressure or force).
Note that power is:
P = F * v
Where P is power (lbf-ft/s), F is the force, drag in this case (lbf) and v
is velocity (ft/s).
Note that if you put the whole equation into one (by substituting D for
force) you get a velocity _cubed_ term. That's why huge increases in power
result in little increases in speed. Ditto for decreases in Cd.
So if you have a 100 mph car and reduce Cd from .34 to .33, your new top
speed is: (sound of trumpet fanfare)
101 mph
Sorry to dissappoint.
--
Al Bowers DOD #900 Alfa Ducati Hobie Kottke 'blad Iaido NASA
"Well goodness sakes...don't you know that girls can't play guitar?"
-Mary Chapin-Carpenter
| 7 |
Re: Gateway Flash BIOS Upgrade
Daniel M. Coleman (dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu) wrote:
: Gateway 2000 has released a new Flash BIOS update for their local bus systems
: Because I'm such a nice person, I uploaded them to wuarchive.wustl.edu. Look
: for glb05.exe in the msdos_uploads section. Enjoy!
I blindly installed it and I haven't had any problems or noticed any
differences yet! Note that I did not backup my previous BIOS, you can with
the tool that they ship.
Rob "I live on the edge" Laddish
---------___----------------------------------------------------------
/ / Robert Laddish AT&T: 707-577-3767
HEWLETT/hp/PACKARD HP Santa Rosa, Ca. Telnet: 1-577-3767
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| 3 |
Re: So, do any XXXX, I mean police officers read this stuff?
In article <1993Apr20.163629.29153@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes:
>I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this. I have
>several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
>And please don't say get a vehicle code, go to your local station, or obvious
>things like that. My questions would not be found in those places nor
>answered face to face with a real, live in the flesh, cop.
>If your brother had a friend who had a cousin whos father was a cop, etc.
>don't bother writing in. Thanks.
I just gotta ask... What ARE these questions you want to ask an active cop?
Working on your DoD qualfications? B-)
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| 8 |
Where's the knowledgeable observer?
In <franjion.735590256@spot.Colorado.EDU> franjion@spot.Colorado.EDU (John Franjione) writes:
>duncan@ (Nicholas Duncan) writes:
>>I really feel the need for a knowledgable hockey observer to explain
>>this year's playoffs to me. I mean, the obviously superior Toronto team
>>with the best center and the best goalie in the league keeps losing.
>>What gives?
>Unfortunately, Roger is now over at r.s.baseball spewing his expertise
>(i.e. being a dickhead). I guess he is afraid of posting anything
>here, because he knows what to expect.
It is indeed nice to have fans that are concerned about the dearth of
disputatious dissertation linked to my hiatus. Have simply been too
damned busy lately to keep you lads and lassies entertained. You can
be sure, however, that I will somehow manage to find time to woof if
the Leafs give just cause.
And let's all try to keep people's names (especially mine) out of the
subject headers. I, for one, neither seek nor enjoy such a cheap form
of notoriety.
One thing you can be assured of, however, is this: the Leafs are the
best of all the teams in the league that have allowed 12 goals in 2
games.
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"So many morons...
rm ...and so little time."
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Re: Asynchronous X Windows?
In <1382.9304261508@zztop.dps.co.uk> gerard@dps.co.UK (Gerard O'Driscoll) writes:
>>> No, it isn't. It is the "X Window System", or "X11", or "X" or any of
>>> a number of other designations accepted by the X Consortium....
>>>
>>> There is no such thing as "X Windows" or "X Window", despite the repeated
>>> misuse of the forms by the trade rags.
>I used to think this way, and not just about X. For example, incorrect
>English constructs such as "its raining" or "it's window id" annoy me.
>However, there comes a time when popular usage starts to dictate the way
>things really are in the world.
Well, yes and no. I don't particularly want this discussion to spark
a lengthy debate, but I do think it's worth pointing out that "popular
usage" is not always sufficient excuse.
In this case, for example, I think an appropriate parallel may be found
in the pronunciation of proper names: if people commonly misspelled or
mispronounced your name, would you feel compelled to change it? Probably
not.
The same is true of X. "The X Window System", "X", "X11", and related
monickers are proper names in the same sense that any product name is a
proper name. In fact, some of them are *trademarked* names. The fact
that many people get them wrong is largely beside the point.
As for the trade publications that promulgate things like "X Window" or
"X.windows" or any of the other nonsensical variants one often sees,
consider the fact that these publications are supposedly written by
*journalists*. Would you trust the facts of a journalist who couldn't
be bothered to get the name of his/her source right? Would you trust
a product review by someone who got the name of the product wrong?
Popular usage is as it may be, but I for one am all for holding people
who claim to be journalists to a higher standard of correctness.
>Indeed, the fact that X won out over NeWS
>was really down to popular opinion (I know, we all think it's(!) technically
>superior as well!).
X11 technically superior to NeWS? Well, in *some* alternate universe
perhaps ...
| 5 |
Re: Centris 610 flaky?
tthiel@cs.uiuc.edu (Terry Thiel) writes:
>scott@cs.uiuc.edu (Jay Scott) writes:
>>A rep at the dealer (actually it's a university order center, so
>>they don't have any immediate financial interest), told me that
>>they have been having lots of problems with their Centris 610.
>>He didn't go into details, but mentioned problems with the
>>floppy drive and intermittent problems with printing files.
>>It sounded to me like they were having both hardware problems
>>and software compatibility problems with the machine.
>>He's not recommending the Centris 610 to anybody; he says to
>>consider a Centris 650 or a IIvx. (Why he would recommend a
>>IIvx over an LCIII I don't know, but that's what he said.)
>>So, what does the net think? Did the dealer just get one flaky
>>machine, or did Apple send the C610 out the door too early?
>>Is your C610 working just great, or is it buggy too?
My Centris 610 is working perfectly. There is one problem that I have
noticed. FastBack II backup utility does not work!!! The strange thing
is that it works with my friend's 610 most of the time, however, it never
works with my machine. I assume it is some sort of software problem and
not hardware related.
--
*************************************************************************
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*************************************************************************
| 4 |
Re: VFR + ST11 Owners get hidden feature
In article <C61r0B.C7@world.std.com> daved@world.std.com (Dave T Dorfman) writes:
> I was enjoying lunch this saturday at foodies in Milford NH with an assortment
>of other nedod folks when Dean Cookson ( yes he has not left the
>country, yet) mentioned that the wiring diagram of the VFR750
>shows that the light switch is a three position switch.
>
My CB750 does it too. The "Switch Continuity" section of the wiring diagram
looks something like this:
HL L H
x--x Low
x--x--x (N)
x-----x High
Dean
--
| Dean Cookson / dcookson@mitre.org / 617 271-2714 | DoD #207 AMA #573534 |
| The MITRE Corp. Burlington Rd., Bedford, Ma. 01730 | KotNML / KotB |
| "The road is my shepherd and I shall not stop" | '92 VFR750F |
| -Sam Eliott, Road Hogs MTV 1993 | '88 Bianchi Limited |
| 8 |
CONFLICT CONTROLLER-GRAFIC CARD
I UPGRADED MY OLD 386 WITH 486DX-50 LOCAL BUS MOTHERBOARD TWO MONTH AGO
AND WITH IT I BOUGHT A CONTROLLER CARD LOCAL BUS AND A GRAFIC CARD
DIAMOND STEALTH VLB.
BUT WHEN I TRY TO PUT MY NEW GRAFIC CARD AND MY NEW CONTROLLER TOGETHER
MY SYSTEM DON'T WANT TO BOOT UP; IT STOP AFTER CONTROLLER CARD CHECKING.
I HAVE TRY TO CHANGE MY AMI-BIOS SETUP BUT NOTHING WORKS.
JUST ONE THING WHEN I DISABLE MY ROM-BIOS ADRESS ON MY CONTROLLER CARD
MY SYSTEM DO ONE MORE STEP: CHECKING ALL SYSTEM AND CACHE MEMORY BUT NOTHING
MORE.
THANKS FOR ANSWER.
CHROBERT
| 3 |
Re: looking for circle algorithm faster than Bresenhams
In article <1993Apr13.025240.8884@nwnexus.WA.COM>, mpdillon@halcyon.com (Michael Dillon) writes:
> I have an algorithm similar to Bresenhams line drawing algorithm, that
> draws a line by stepping along the minor axis and drawing slices like
> AAAA, BBBB, CCCC in the following diagram.
>
> AAAA
> BBBB
> CCCC
>
Yes, that's known as "Bresenhams Run Length Slice Algorithm for
Incremental lines". See Fundamental Algorithms for Computer Graphics,
Springer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg 1985.
> I have tried to extrapolate this to circles but I can't figure out
> how to determine the length of the slices. Any ideas?
Hmm. I don't think I can help you with this, but you might
take a look at the following:
"Double-Step Incremental Generation of Lines and Circles",
X. Wu and J. G. Rokne, Computer Graphics and Image processing,
Vol 37, No. 4, Mar. 1987, pp. 331-334
"Double-Step Generation of Ellipses", X. Wu and J. G. Rokne,
IEEE Computer Graphics & Applications, May 1989, pp. 56-69
Graeme Gill.
| 1 |
Ibm link to imagewriter -
*** On 04-20-93 21:25, Larry Henson had the unmitigated gall to say this:
LH> Hello, I am trying to hook an Apple Imagewriter to my IBM Clone.
LH> I seem to have a problem configuring my lpt port to accept this. How
LH> can you adjust baud, parity, etc. to fit the system? I tried MODE, but
LH> it did not work. If anyone can help, post of e-mail. Thanx.
LPT ports don't recognize baud, parity, etc. settings. You might be tring
to connect a serial printer to a parallel port. Try this: attach the serial
port of the printer to a serial port on the PC. Use the mode command to set
the COM port settings. Try
C>MODE COM1,9600,N,8,1
to set the port parameters. Then use the MODE command to redirect the
printer port LPT1 like this:
C>MODE LPT1=COM1
This should work. Good luck!
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After all, Armenians exterminated 2.5 million Muslim people there.
In article <C5y56o.A62@news.cso.uiuc.edu> hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian) writes:
>article. I have no partisan interests --- I would just like to know
>what conversations between TerPetrosyan and Demirel sound like. =)
Very simple.
"X-Soviet Armenian government must pay for their crime of genocide
against 2.5 million Muslims by admitting to the crime and making
reparations to the Turks and Kurds."
After all, your criminal grandparents exterminated 2.5 million Muslim
people between 1914 and 1920.
<C5yyBt.5zo@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)
>To which I say:
>Hear, hear. Motion seconded.
You must be a new Armenian clown. You are counting on ASALA/SDPA/ARF
crooks and criminals to prove something for you? No wonder you are in
such a mess. That criminal idiot and 'its' forged/non-existent junk has
already been trashed out by Mutlu, Cosar, Akgun, Uludamar, Akman, Oflazer
and hundreds of people. Moreover, ASALA/SDPA/ARF criminals are responsible
for the massacre of the Turkish people that also prevent them from entering
Turkiye and TRNC. SDPA has yet to renounce its charter which specifically
calls for the second genocide of the Turkish people. This racist, barbarian
and criminal view has been touted by the fascist x-Soviet Armenian government
as merely a step on the road to said genocide.
Now where shall I begin?
#From: ahmet@eecg.toronto.edu (Parlakbilek Ahmet)
#Subject: YALANCI, LIAR : DAVIDIAN
#Keywords: Davidian, the biggest liar
#Message-ID: <1991Jan10.122057.11613@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu>
Following is the article that Davidian claims that Hasan Mutlu is a liar:
>From: dbd@urartu.SDPA.org (David Davidian)
>Message-ID: <1154@urartu.SDPA.org>
>In article <1991Jan4.145955.4478@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> ahmet@eecg.toronto.
>edu (Ahmet Parlakbilek) asked a simple question:
>[AP] I am asking you to show me one example in which mutlu,coras or any other
>[AP] Turk was proven to lie.I can show tens of lies and fabrications of
>[AP] Davidian, like changing quote , even changing name of a book, Anna.
>The obvious ridiculous "Armenians murdered 3 million Moslems" is the most
>outragious and unsubstantiated charge of all. You are obviously new on this
>net, so read the following sample -- not one, but three proven lies in one
>day!
> - - - start yalanci.txt - - -
[some parts are deleted]
>In article <1990Aug5.142159.5773@cbnewsd.att.com> the usenet scribe for the
>Turkish Historical Society, hbm@cbnewsd.att.com (hasan.b.mutlu), continues to
>revise the history of the Armenian people. Let's witness the operational
>definition of a revisionist yalanci (or liar, in Turkish):
>[Yalanci] According to Leo:[1]
>[Yalanci]
>[Yalanci] "The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks
>[Yalanci] and on the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding
>[Yalanci] their own affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed,
>[Yalanci] the war was actually being waged between the Committee of
>[Yalanci] Dashnaktsutiun and the Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and
>[Yalanci] savage war in defense of party political interests. The Dashnaks
>[Yalanci] incited revolts which relied on Russian bayonets for their success."
>[Yalanci]
>[Yalanci] [1] L. Kuper, "Genocide: Its Political Use in the Twentieth Century,"
>[Yalanci] New York 1981, p. 157.
>This text is available not only in most bookstores but in many libraries. On
>page 157 we find a discussion of related atrocities (which is title of the
>chapter). The topic on this page concerns itself with submissions to the Sub-
>Commission on Prevention of Discrimination of Minorities of the Commission on
>Human Rights of the United Nations with respect to the massacres in Cambodia.
>There is no mention of Turks nor Armenians as claimed above.
- - -
>Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay!
>The depth of foolishness the Turkish Historical Society engages in, while
>covering up the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, is only surpassed by the
>ridiculous "historical" material publicly displayed!
>David Davidian <dbd@urartu.SDPA.org> | The life of a people is a sea, and
Receiving this message, I checked the reference, L.Kuper,"Genocide..." and
what I have found was totally consistent with what Davidian said.The book
was like "voice of Armenian revolutionists" and although I read the whole book,
I could not find the original quota.
But there was one more thing to check:The original posting of Mutlu.I found
the original article of Mutlu.It is as follows:
> According to Leo:[1]
>"The situation is clear. On one side, we have peace-loving Turks and on
> the other side, peace-loving Armenians, both sides minding their own
> affairs. Then all was submerged in blood and fire. Indeed, the war was
> actually being waged between the Committee of Dashnaktsutiun and the
> Society of Ittihad and Terakki - a cruel and savage war in defense of party
> political interests. The Dashnaks incited revolts which relied on Russian
> bayonets for their success."
>[1] B. A. Leo. "The Ideology of the Armenian Revolution in Turkey," vol II,
======================================================================
> p. 157.
======
QUATO IS THE SAME, REFERENCE IS DIFFERENT !
DAVIDIAN LIED AGAIN, AND THIS TIME HE CHANGED THE ORIGINAL POSTING OF MUTLU
JUST TO ACCUSE HIM TO BE A LIAR.
Davidian, thank you for writing the page number correctly...
You are the biggest liar I have ever seen.This example showed me that tomorrow
you can lie again, and you may try to make me a liar this time.So I decided
not to read your articles and not to write answers to you.I also advise
all the netters to do the same.We can not prevent your lies, but at least
we may save time by not dealing with your lies.
And for the following line:
>Vay sarsak, vay yobaz, vay yalanci! Vay Turk milletinin yuz karasi Mutlu vay!
I also return all the insults you wrote about Mutlu to you.
I hope you will be drowned in your lies.
Ahmet PARLAKBILEK
#From: vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Vedat Dogan)
#Message-ID: <1993Apr8.233029.29094@news.columbia.edu>
In article <1993Apr7.225058.12073@urartu.sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>In article <1993Apr7.030636.7473@news.columbia.edu> vd8@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu
>(Vedat Dogan) wrote in response to article <1993Mar31.141308.28476@urartu.
>11sdpa.org> dbd@urartu.sdpa.org (David Davidian) writes:
>
>[(*] Source: "Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922" by A. Rawlinson,
>[(*] Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923)
>[(*] (287 pages).
>
>[DD] Such a pile of garbage! First off, the above reference was first published
>[DD] in 1924 NOT 1923, and has 353 pages NOT 287! Second, upon checking page
>[DD] 178, we are asked to believe:
>
>[VD] No, Mr.Davidian ...
>
>[VD] It was first published IN 1923 (I have the book on my desk,now!)
>[VD] ********
>
>[VD] and furthermore,the book I have does not have 353 pages either, as you
>[VD] claimed, Mr.Davidian..It has 377 pages..Any question?..
>
>Well, it seems YOUR book has its total page numbers closer to mine than the
n>crap posted by Mr. [(*]!
o boy!
Please, can you tell us why those quotes are "crap"?..because you do not
like them!!!...because they really exist...why?
As I said in my previous posting, those quotes exactly exist in the source
given by Serdar Argic ..
You couldn't reject it...
>
>In addition, the Author's Preface was written on January 15, 1923, BUT THE BOOK
>was published in 1924.
Here we go again..
In the book I have, both the front page and the Author's preface give
the same year: 1923 and 15 January, 1923, respectively!
(Anyone can check it at her/his library,if not, I can send you the copies of
pages, please ask by sct)
I really don't care what year it was first published(1923 or 1924)
What I care about is what the book writes about murders, tortures,et..in
the given quotes by Serdar Argic, and your denial of these quotes..and your
groundless accussations, etc.
>
[...]
>
>[DD] I can provide .gif postings if required to verify my claim!
>
>[VD] what is new?
>
>I will post a .gif file, but I am not going go through the effort to show there
>is some Turkish modified re-publication of the book, like last time!
I claim I have a book in my hand published in 1923(first publication)
and it exactly has the same quoted info as the book published
in 1934(Serdar Argic's Reference) has..You couldn't reject it..but, now you
are avoiding the real issues by twisting around..
Let's see how you lie!..(from 'non-existing' quotes to re-publication)
First you said there was no such a quote in the given reference..You
called Serdar Argic a liar!..
I said to you, NO, MR.Davidian, there exactly existed such a quote...
(I even gave the call number, page numbers..you could't reject it.)
And now, you are lying again and talking about "modified,re-published book"
(without any proof :how, when, where, by whom, etc..)..
(by the way, how is it possible to re-publish the book in 1923 if it was
first published in 1924(your claim).I am sure that you have some 'pretty
well suited theories', as usual)
And I am ready to send the copies of the necessary pages to anybody who
wants to compare the fact and Mr.Davidian's lies...I also give the call number
and page numbers again for the library use, which are:
949.6 R 198
and the page numbers to verify the quotes:218 and 215
>
>It is not possible that [(*]'s text has 287 pages, mine has 353, and yours has
>377!
Now, are you claiming that there can't be such a reference by saying "it is
not possible..." ..If not, what is your point?
Differences in the number of pages?
Mine was published in 1923..Serdar Argic's was in 1934..
No need to use the same book size and the same letter
charachter in both publications,etc, etc.. does it give you an idea!!
The issue was not the number of pages the book has..or the year
first published..
And you tried to hide the whole point..
the point is that both books have the exactly the same quotes about
how moslems are killed, tortured,etc by Armenians..and those quotes given
by Serdar Argic exist!!
It was the issue, wasn't-it?
you were not able to object it...Does it bother you anyway?
You name all these tortures and murders (by Armenians) as a "crap"..
People who think like you are among the main reasons why the World still
has so many "craps" in the 1993.
Any question?
<C5wwqA.9wL@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
hovig@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Hovig Heghinian)
> Hmm ... Turks sure know how to keep track of deaths, but they seem to
>lose count around 1.5 million.
Well, apparently we have another son of Dro 'the Butcher' to contend with.
You should indeed be happy to know that you rekindled a huge discussion on
distortions propagated by several of your contemporaries. If you feel
that you can simply act as an Armenian governmental crony in this forum
you will be sadly mistaken and duly embarrassed. This is not a lecture to
another historical revisionist and a genocide apologist, but a fact.
I will dissect article-by-article, paragraph-by-paragraph, line-by-line,
lie-by-lie, revision-by-revision, written by those on this net, who plan
to 'prove' that the Armenian genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds is
nothing less than a classic un-redressed genocide. We are neither in
x-Soviet Union, nor in some similar ultra-nationalist fascist dictatorship,
that employs the dictates of Hitler to quell domestic unrest. Also, feel
free to distribute all responses to your nearest ASALA/SDPA/ARF terrorists,
the Armenian pseudo-scholars, or to those affiliated with the Armenian
criminal organizations.
Armenian government got away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turkish men,
women and children and is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. You, and
those like you, will not get away with the genocide's cover-up.
Not a chance.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17 |
White Toyota Camry LE 1988 MUST SELL
MUST SELL:
1988 Toyota Camry LE -- Car has AC, PS, PB, Sunroof, AM/FM
Cassette radio, Cruise control, etc. 61000 miles.
White with red interior.
Car is in excellent condition. It is located in the Paramus, NJ area.
$7900 or best offer.
If interested please call 201-666-9207
| 6 |
Re: Secret algorithm [Re: Clipper Chip and crypto key-escrow]
pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) writes:
> I'm a political dissident. I'm scared shitless of the feds listening in
> on my calls. My opinions are the sort that would get me
> "disappeared" in a slightly less free society -- and who knows what
> sort of society we will be in in five or ten years? I have friends who
> have had their phones tapped -- none of this is theoretical to me.
I understand, believe it or not, and there are any number of kinds of
conversation and communication I engage in that I wouldn't even consider
using this scheme for. On the other hand, I don't see "Clipper" as providing
a secure channel--it just prevents casual eavesdropping. This is part of why
I am not worried about it per se. Trying to look at Clipper as a serious
security tool is simply ludicrous. It's a voice scrambler, nothing more.
There is still plenty of market for real crypto.
> As for "its better than the status quo", well, first of all, you can
> get a cryptophone from companies like Cylink today -- and they work
> well.
They cost an arm and a leg, though. "Clipper" is obviously aimed at the mass
market. It certainly won't put Cylink out of business.
> In addition, a number of groups are now working on building
> software to turn any PC into a privacy enhanced phone right now -- and
> they are all working in overdrive mode.
This is old news. I can do this now.
> There ARE no crypto restrictions... yet. You can use anything you want
> RIGHT NOW. The point is to maintain that right.
There ARE restrictions. Example: We're a networking software vendor with a
large overseas share of our market. We cannot currently ship PEM, or even
simple DES, in our products without case-by-case approval from the Department
of State. ITAR presents a material trade barrier to US firms trying to
compete in international information systems markets.
Sure, you can use whatever freebie software you want to talk over BBS's in
the USA. I, on the other hand, want strong crypto (PKCS, for example) to be
the *default* for electronic mail, worldwide. I want priests to be able to
hear confession over email. I want lawyers to be able to talk to clients in
confidence over email, or doctors talk with patients. I want to be able to
order products from my favorite Japanese mail-order catalog over the net. I
want to be able to sign contracts, transact business, and so on
electronically.
This is so far infeasible as a result of the current restrictions on
crytographic systems, especially beyond the borders of the USA.
Clipper is irrelevant, and if it distracts the authorities into feeling safe,
all the better. Its only danger is if it emboldens them into trying to put
more restrictions into place, on the theory that it is "good enough for
anyone who has nothing to hide." That argument is, of course, utter BS, just
as much as "no one needs an assault rifle".
Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation
| 11 |
AT's need what kinda battery???
Hello,
I'm the proud owner of an IBM AT without a battery. I know it
hooks into jumper J21, but I need more info so I can replace it. What's
its voltage? Any suggestions for replacement? Where can I get one? Please
respond to :
grisch@uceng.uc.edu
Thanks,
-George
| 3 |
Re: Is car saftey important?
>Safety is an important criterium for me when buying a car. I won't buy a
>small car like a Civic or whatever.
>
>Great = Safety + Handling + Speed - for me
EvenGreater = Safety + Handling + Speed + $$$$$ :for the RICH!!!
ie: Merc 600SEL!!!
| 7 |
Mwm title-drag crashes X server (SIGPIPE)
Environment:
mach/arch : sparc/sun4 (IPX)
OS : SunOS 4.1.3
X11 : X11R5 (patchlevel 22)
Motif : 1.2.2
I bring up X server using 'startx' and /usr/bin/X11/Xsun. The following sequence
of actions crashes the X server (SIGPIPE, errno=32, 'xinit' reports that connexion
to X server lost):
1. xinit -- Xsun
2. start mwm
3. start a client with a 100dpi/75dpi font.
4. move the window by dragging the title bar.
The server dumps core due to SIGPIPE. One of the two messages is printed:
"Connection to X server lost"
or
"Connection broken (errno=32)"
(I believe the first is reported by a client and the second by the server itself).
Next, I ran xdm in debug level = 5. After the same set of actions, xdm reports:
select returns -1
Server for :0 terminated unexpectedly: status 2560
Note:
* The problem doesn't occur with other window managers (twm or olwm).
* I have not set LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
* I am not running font server.
* If I start the client with fixed width font, I do not see this problem.
* My font path:
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi
(I did mkfontdir in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/PEX, /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,
and in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc).
* This problem seems to occur only on IPX machines. I do not see this
problem on IPC workstations.
Questions:
* What the hell is goin on ? :-)
* What does "status 2560" mean (of the server).
I'd greatly appreciate any hints as to the cause of the problem.
---
S Ramakrishnan, CS Dept, McBryde Hall, VaTech
| 5 |
Re: ATM
In article <downs.220.735423628@helios.nevada.edu> downs@helios.nevada.edu (Lamont Downs) writes:
>>So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned
>>on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these
>>better printer technologies ... and TT?
>
>There are some fonts that are only available as PS fonts. If you
>have a PS font that you want to use, use ATM. Otherwise, it is
>a waste of system resources.
>
-----Or, if you need to use a service bureau and they're only set up to use
Type 1 fonts. From what I've heard (pure hearsay) the results of outputting
TT fonts as Type 1 is _not_ as good as using high-quality Type 1 fonts in
the first place.
Unless you `print' to file with the correct resolution set for the
final output device (image setter). A problem with TT fonts in Windows
is that they do get converted to T1 format OK, and the hinting is even used
while this is done, but the resulting T1 fonts are NOT hinted. The result
is that they WILL work fine on a device of the resolution assumed by the
printer driver when the PS file is generated, but they will not look
good when printed at a different resolution.
So when you print to an attached PS printer, with the PS driver set up for
this printer results, may be quite good. But if you take a PS file made for
that printer and run it on a device of different resolution (such as an
image setter), then the results may not be so good.
| 2 |
Placebo effects
I know that the placebo effect is where a patient feels better or
even gets better because of his/her belief in the medicine and
the doctor administering it. Is there also an anti-placebo
effect where the patient dislikes/distrusts doctors and medicine
and therefore doesn't get better or feel better in spite of the
medicine?
Is there an effect where the doctor believes so strongly in a
medicine that he/she sees improvement where the is none or sees
more improvement than there is? If so, what is this effect
called? Is there a reverse of the above effect where the doctor
doesn't believe in a medicine and then sees less improvement than
there is? What would this effect be called? Have these effects
ever been studied? How common are these effects? Thank you in
advance for all replies.
... Information is very valuable but dis-information is MUCH more common.
| 13 |
Re: Suggestion for "resources" FAQ
>DATE: Mon, 19 Apr 1993 15:01:10 GMT
>FROM: Bruce Stephens <bruce@liverpool.ac.uk>
>
>I think a good book summarizing and comparing religions would be good.
>
>I confess I don't know of any---indeed that's why I checked the FAQ to see
>if it had one---but I'm sure some alert reader does.
>
>I think the list of books suffers far too much from being Christian based;
>I agree that most of the traffic is of this nature (although a few Islamic
>references might be good) but I still think an overview would be nice.
One book I have which presents a fairly unbiased account of many religions
is called _Man's Religions_ by John B. Noss. It was a textbook in a class
I had on comparative religion or some such thing. It has some decent
bibliographies on each chapter as a jumping off point for further reading.
It doesn't "compare" religions directly but describes each one individually
and notes a few similarities. But nothing I have read in it could be even
remotely described as preachy or Christian based. In fact, Christianity
mercifully consumes only 90 or so of its nearly 600 pages. The book is
divided according to major regions of the world where the biggies began
(India, East Asia, Near East). There is nothing about New World religions
from the Aztecs, Mayas, Incas, etc. Just the stuff people kill each
other over nowadays. And a few of the older religions snuffed out along
the way.
If you like the old stuff, then a couple of books called "The Ancient Near
East" by James B. Pritchard are pretty cool. Got the Epic of Gilgamesh,
Code of Hammurabi, all the stuff from way back when men were gods and gods
were men. Essential reading for anyone who wishes to make up their own
religion and make it sound real good.
| 0 |
ALL-TIME PEAK PLAYERS
Last week I posted the ALL-TIME GREATEST PLAYERS (and haphazardly misspelled
several names--SORRY!) This week, it's time for the greatest PEAK players.
I evaluated the following players on 4 consectutive seasons which constituted
their "prime" or "peak" years. (3 was too few; 5 seemed to many--so I settled
for 4). Sources, as usual, include Total Baseball 1993 and my own (biased)
opinions.
Here goes, feel free to comment.
1. Ted Williams (includes season after war)--missed actual peak years
2. Babe Ruth
3. Walter Johnson
4. Mickey Mantle
5. Mike Schmidt (actual peak year shortened by strike)
6. Barrry Bonds (currently at peak)
7. Honus Wagner
8. Ty Cobb
9. Tris Speaker
10. Willie Mays
11. Lefty Grove
12. Sandy Koufax
13. Joe Morgan
14. Ed Walsh
15. Christy Mathewson
16. Lou Gehrig
17. Jimmie Foxx
18. Cal Ripken Jr.
19. Pete Alexander
20. Cy Young
21. Tim Raines
22. Rickey Henderson (again, strike year '81 included)
23. Carl Yastrzemski
24. Jackie Robinson
25. Joe DiMaggio
26. Rogers Hornsby
27. George Sisler
28. Eddie Collins
29. Hank Aaron
30. Stan Musial
31. Joe Jackson
32. Wade Boggs
33. Charlie Gehringer
34. Ernie Banks
35. Bob Gibson
36. Carl Hubbell
37. Robin Yount
38. Rod Carew
39. Chuck Klein
40. Willie McCovey
41. Frank Robinson
42. Tom Seaver
43. Roger Clemens (arguably, still in peak)
44. Mel Ott
45. Frank Baker
46. Nap Lajoie (peak came in suspect league)
47. Dizzy Trout
48. George Brett
49. Mordecai Brown
50. Ryne Sandberg
1B Peak
1) Gehrig
2) Foxx
3) Sisler
4) McCovey
5) Greenberg
6) Frank Thomas (projected--sorry)
7) Dick Allen
8) Johnny Mize
9) Eddie Murray (yes, Mr.Consistency had a peak)
10) Bill Terry
2B
1) Morgan
2) J.Robinson
3) Collins
4) Hornsby
5) Gehringer
6) Carew (treated as a 2B, even though played 1B)
7) Sandberg
8) Bobby Grich
9) Nap Lajoie
10) Bill Herman, Mazeroski (tough call)
3B)
1) Schmidt
2) Boggs
3) F.Baker
4) Brett
5) Ed Mathews
6) Ron Santo
7) Harland Clift
8) Ken Boyer
9) Buddy Bell
10) Darrell Evans
SS
1) Wagner
2) Ripken
3) Banks
4) Yount
5) John Lloyd (estimated)
6) Arky Vaughan
7) Barry Larkin (still in peak?)
8) Lou Boudreau
9) Ozzie Smith
10) Joe Sewell
LF
1) Williams
2) Ba.Bonds
3) Raines
4) Henderson (actually had 2 peaks; 80-83 & 83-86)
5) Yastrzemski
6) Musial
7) J.Jackson
8) Ralph Kiner
9) Al Simmons
10) George Foster
11) Willie Stargell
CF
1) Mantle
2) Cobb
3) Speaker
4) Mays
5) DiMaggio
6) Oscar Charleston (again, estimated)
7) Duke Snider
8) Ken Griffey Jr. (personal assumption)
9) Kirby Puckett
10) Richie Ashburn
11) Dale Murphy (strike season?)
RF
1) Ruth
2) Aaron
3) Klein
4) F.Robinson
5) Ott
6) Roberto Clemente
7) Tony Gwynn
8) Dave Parker
9) Reggie Jackson
10) Harry Heilmann
11) Jose Canseco
12) Darryl Strawberry
C
1) Josh Gibson (estimated)
2) Mickey Cochrane
3) Gary Carter
4) Johnny Bench
5) Roy Campanella
6) Yogi Berra
7) Bill Dickey
8) Gabby Hartnett
9) Elston Howard
10) Ted Simmons
11) Joe Torre
P
1) W.Johnson
2) Grove
3) Koufax
4) Walsh
5) Mathewson
6) Alexander
7) Young
8) Gibson
9) Hubbell
10) Seaver
11) Clemens
12) Satchel Paige (estimated)
13) D.Trout
14) Juan Marichal
15) Mordecai Brown
16) Joe Wood
17) Dave Steib
18) Jim Palmer
19) Bob Lemon
20) Fergie Jenkins
RP
1) Who cares?
I hope there are some surprises here: Raines above Muisial? Carter above
Bench? Ripken above Banks? Bonds above Mays?
Check the numbers of each player in comparison to the numbers of the rest
of the players that year(s), and you'll see that I'm fairly close with
this ranking system (which is primarily based on Total Player Rating) for
four consecutive years.
Enjoy,
Mike
| 9 |
Re: The arrogance of Christians
In article <Apr.13.00.08.07.1993.28379@athos.rutgers.edu>, aa888@freenet.carleton.ca (Mark Baker) writes:
>
> [Very good and reasonable statements on "authority" deleted]
>
> The atheist position seems to be that there are no authorities. This is a
> reasonable assertion in itself, but it leads to a practical difficulty.
> If you reject all authority out of hand, you reject all possibility of
> every receiving information. Thus the atheist position can never possibly
> change. It is non-falsifiable and therefore unscintific.
This is not true. The athiest's position is that there is no PROOF of the
existence of God. As much as some people accept their Church, their priests
or straight from their own scriptures as the "proof", this does not
satisfy atheists.
Atheists DO believe in recognisable authorities. If they were as dogmatic as
you claim they are, they would be trying to prove 1 + 1 =2 every time they
got up. What they dispute is that Churches, priests, scriptures etc.
represent true authorities and know the TRUTH.
> To demand scintific or rational proof of God's existence, is to deny
> God's existence, since neither science, nor reason, can, in their very
> nature, prove anything.
Are you asking us to believe blindly? You are trying to deny that part of
us that makes us ask the question "Does God exist?" i.e. self-awareness and
reason. If we do not use our ability to reason we become as ignorant
as the other animals on this earth. Does God want us to be like that?
You are right that science and reason cannot PROVE anything. However, if
we do not use them we can only then believe on FAITH alone. And since
we can only use faith, why is one picture of "God" (e.g. Hinduism) any less
valid than another (e.g. Christianity)?
> ==============================================================================
> Mark Baker | "The task ... is not to cut down jungles, but
> aa888@Freenet.carleton.ca | to irrigate deserts." -- C. S. Lewis
> ==============================================================================
--
Don Lowe, Department of Physics, Monash University,
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 3168.
| 15 |
Sams auctionless comic sale!!!
OK. Instead of holding an auction, I have decided to compute prices for each comic (after many suggestions). These are the most reasonable prices I can give (not negotiable). If you would like to purchase a comic (or group), simply email me with the title and issue #'s you want. The price for each issue is shown beside each comic. First come, first served!!! There is no more bidding. Meet my price and it is yours. I can be reached at this email address:
02106@chopin.udel.edu or
02106@ravel.udel.edu or
02106@bach.udel.edu or
02106@brahms.udel.edu
NO MORE HAGGLING ABOUT THE PRICE!!!!!!!!
LOTS OF COMICS FOR $1, $2, or $3 LOOK AT LIST!!!!!
Shipping is $2 for 1-3 comics. For more than 3, the price will be determined by the volume of the purchase (I may have to use a big heavy box for large orders which costs more to mail).
For all those who have bought comics from me, thanks!!!
All comics are near mint unless otherwise noted (my books were graded by
mile high comics and other comic professional collectors, not me!)
Here is the list:
*reserved* means that I have made a deal with a person and I am waiting for the check to arrive.
*reserved* comics are as good as sold (sorry!)
Incredible Hulk
156 (vs another Hulk) $3
195 $2
196 $2
246 (vs Captain Marvel) $1
248 $1
249 $1
250 (Double size issue vs Silver Surfer) $5
255 (vs Thor) $1
279 $1
300 $2
312 $2
313 $1
316 (vs Bi Coastal Avengers) $1
347 $1 *reserved*
348 $1
350 (vs Thing) $2
354 $1
358 $1
360 $1
362 (vs Werewolf By Night) $2
364 $1
365 $1
366 $1 *reserved*
379 (1 copy) $5
Punisher
50 $1
57 $2
Punisher War Journal
29 (Ghost Rider) $2
30 (Ghost Rider) $2
Punisher Armory
1 $4
2 $2
Original Ghost Rider Rides Again (Reprint)
1 $1
Ghost Rider (old series)
37 $3 *reserved*
43 (vs Johnny Blaze) $3 *reserved*
77 (2 copies, origin of GR dream) $4 each
Ghost Rider (new series)
15 (1st print, Green glow in dark cover, 1 copy) $5
15 (2nd print, gold cover w/ glow cover) $3
Web of Spiderman
56 (2 copies) $2 each
60 $3
69 (vs Hulk, 1 copy left!!!) $2
70 (SpiderHulk, 1 copy left!!!) $2
71 $1
72 $1
78 $1
Deadly Foes of Spiderman
1 (2 copies) $2 each
2 $2
3 $2
Amazing Spiderman vs Dr. Octopus (special NACME issue) $2
Amazing Spiderman
350 (vs Dr. Doom, 1 copy LEFT!!!) $2
Spiderman (1990)
1 (silver, not bagged) $4
6 $3
7 $3
8 (2 copies) $2 each
9 (w/ Wolverine, 1 COPY LEFT!!!) $2
10 $2
11 $1
13 $5
16 $1
Enemy Ace Special #1 $2
New Warriors
1 (gold cover) $2
8 $4
Superman Man of Steel #1 $2
Superman (new)
53 (2 copies) $1 each
55 $1
56 $1
Adventures of Superman
479 $1
Annual #3 $1
Superman Annual #3 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1
Action Comics #666 $1
Avengers West Coast #69 (Hawkeye vs US Agent) $1
Batman
465 (Robin returns) $2
466 $1
467 $1
Annual #15 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $3
Captain America
230 (vs Hulk) $2
257 (vs Hulk) $1
Armegedon 2001
1 $4
2 $2
Foolkiller #1 $2
Infinity Gauntlet
1 $6
4 $3
5 $3
Double Dragon #1 $1
Deathlok (series)
2 $1
Transformers #80 (last issue) $2
Wonder Man
1 $1
2 $1
Flaming Carrot #25 (w/ Ninja Turtles) $2
The Comet #1 $1
Legend of the Shield #1 $1
Justice Society of America
1 $1
2 $1
3 $1
4 $1
Official movie mag from Turtles II movie (sealed w/ Jelloman comic) $5
Robin
1 (1 copies w/ poster) $3
1 (3rd print) $1
5 (6 copies) $1 each
Guardians of the Galaxy
1 $6
2 $3
3 $2
4 $2
5 $2
6 $2
7 $2
8 $2
9 (2 copies) $3 each
10 $2
11 $2
12 $1
13 $3
14 $3
15 $1
16 $1
17 $1
18 (2 copies) $2 each
Superman vs Amazing Spiderman (oversized issue from 70's) $7 *reserved*
DarkHawk
1 (3 copies) $8 each
2 (2 copies) $6 each
3 $5
4 $4
5 $4
6 $3
7 $2
8 $2
9 $3
10 $1
Thor
246 $1
428 $1
429 (vs Juggernaut) $2
430 (w/ Ghost Rider) $1
431 $1
432 (Thor vs Loki, 2 copies) $3 each
433 (new Thor) $2
Annual #16 $1
What if....
13 $1
23 $1
25 $2
26 $1
Alpha Flight
29 $1
51 $6
53 $6
94 (vs Fant. 4) $1
New Mutants
22 $2
100 (last issue, 1st look at X-Force, 1st print, 2 copies) $5 each
100 (2nd print, gold cover) $4
Flash (new)
43 $1
48 $1
49 $1
50 $2
51 $1
Annual #4 $1
Uncanny X-Men
191 $3
215 $2
255 (2 copies) $2 each
258 $6
275 (1 COPY LEFT 1st print) $6
275 (gold 2nd print) $3
276 $3
277 $3
278 $2
279 $2
280 $2
281 $3
282 $4
283 $6
Defenders
52 (Hulk vs Sub Mariner) $2
Fantastic Four
347 $4
348 $2
349 (3 copies) $2 each
Wolverine
11 $3 *reserved*
20 $2
41 (w/ Cable, 2 copies) $6 each
42 $4
43 $3
Silver Surfer (1987)
1 $6
2 $3
3 $3
4 $3
5 $2
6 $2
8 $2
22 $2
24 $2
32 $2
49 $2
50 (Foil cover, only 1 copy left!!) $6
51 $2
52 $2
53 $1
54 $1
55 $1
56 $1
58 $2
59 $2
Avengers
326 $3
328 (origin of Rage) $3
X-Factor
40 $6
67 $3
68 $6
71 $3
73 $1
Green Lantern (1990)
3 $2
9 (2 copies) $1 each
10 $1
11 $1
12 $1
Toxic Avenger
1 (3 copies) $1 each
2 $1
Sleepwalker
1 (3 copies) $2 each
3 $1
7 $1
Kool Aid Man #1 (sealed in white bag, 2 copies) $2 each
X-Force
1 (bagged w/ Cable Card) $4
1 (bagged w/ Shatterstar Card) $3
2 $2
3 $1
4 $1
NFL Superpro
1 $1
Dr. Strange #31 $1
Hawkworld Annual #2 (2nd print, Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1
Hawk & Dove Annual #2 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1
Justice League of America Annual #5 (Armegedon 2001 tie in) $1
Send all comments to
02106@chopin.udel.edu
Thanks
Sam (the "ex" comic book collector)
College of Electrical Engineering, University of Delaware
| 6 |
Re: Fenway Gif
In article <C5JB3D.9nt@umassd.edu>, acsddc@smucs1.umassd.edu writes:
|> I was wondering if anyone had any kind of Fenway Park gif.
|> I would appreciate it if someone could send me one.
|> Thanks in advance.
|>
|> -Dan
Me too! And any Yankee Stadium gifs as well, please.
Thanx in advance,
Mike Feszczyszyn
| 9 |
Re: Tidying up after removing an OLE server
In article <C5y121.Kz3@liverpool.ac.uk>, qq43@liverpool.ac.uk (Chris Wooff) writes:
> A while ago I installed SPSS for Windows as part of an evaluation. Once
> the evaluation was complete I duly deleted the software from my PC.
>
> Unfortunately there is still a "ghost" of SPSS left: when I run
> something like "Write" and go to embed an object then "SPSS Chart"
> appears on the list of objects I'm offered. I looked around all
> the obvious "INI" files without success. The next thing I tried
> was looking for the string "SPSS Chart" in every file in the
> Windows directory. It turned up in a file called REQ.DAT (or
> REG.DAT). Unfortunately the file was binary and so I didn't feel
> inclined to edit it.
>
> I'd welcome a solution for removing SPSS from the list of OLE servers.
>
> Chris Wooff
> (C.Wooff@liverpool.ac.uk)
You can edit that file with a utility that comes with Windows 3.1 called
"REGEDIT" (Registration Info Editor)
--
++++ Bob Hodge ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+ "I'm going fishing." "You got worms?" "Yeah, but I'm going anyway!" +
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
| 2 |
Re: Can Radio Freq. Be Used To Measure Distance?
In article <72020037@otter.hpl.hp.com> tgg@otter.hpl.hp.com (Tom Gardner) writes:
>In sci.electronics, rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes:
>
>> I'm wondering if it's possible to use radio waves to measure the
>> distance between a transmitter(s) and receiver?
>
>Yes. It's called RADAR.
Well, actually not quite. Both Radar and Radio-Altimeters measure distances
by measuring the time required to transmit a signal, then receive its
reflection from a target. Radar generally uses pulses, while Radio Altimeters
use either pulses or a modulated continuous-wave transmission. In the case of
the latter, highly accurate distance measurement can be made. As an example,
the original Bendix ALA-52 Radio Altimeter was accurate to 1/8 foot at 2500
feet altitude.
Note, however that this is a different method of measuring than the poster
originally asked about. The problem with gaining accurate measurements between
a transmitter and a seperate receiver is that you need a highly accurate
time base which starts at the receiver at the exact instant the transmitter
triggers. This cannot be wire connected, since radio waves will actually
travel faster in free-space (air, in this case) than wire (the difference
is called the velocity factor of the cable). So you need to resort to a
common timebase that is automatically corrected for distance, etc. Something
like a PLL connected to a GPS receiver should do the trick, triggering both
the transmitter and receiver simultaneously. Sound expensive? Not too bad,
but plan on spending a few bucks in both equipment and effort.
Why not go to a different method? Surveyors use a laser-light system where again
the reflection time is measured. Why not try this? (Sounds like something a P.E.
should know about anyway ;-).
>> Seems to me that you should be able to measure the signal strength
>> and determine distance. This would be for short distances (2000 ft),
>> and I would need to have accuracy of 6 inches, or so.
This is actually highly inaccurate, since the power output of a transmitter
varies from unit to unit, there are variances in the antenna and transmission
line, and the receiver may also vary, both from unit to unit, and the same unit
over time. You would need to continuously calibrate the entire system. With
the radio altimeter this is also done, but since everything is located at
one place, it is much easier to do. Note especially that the time base for
the R.A. receiver and transmitter is one unit also...
>Depends on the environment: in a static environent such as a waveguide yes, in
>a dynamic environment (with objects moving about) the multipath kills this
>concept.
Nope. FM capture effect says that the strongest signal wins. That is, unless
the two interfering signals are seperated by more than 3 db in signal strength.
This is the one problem that makes altimeters inaccurate at very low altitudes.
Signals bouncing off runways tend to be VERY strong...
>> What frequencies would be best for this? Or does matter?
As high as possible to eliminate outside influence, and also to enhance
attenuation of multipath signals. Radio Altimeters typically use frequencies
around 4 GHz.
Hope this helps...
--
==========================================================
Jack Brindle
ham radio: wa4fib
internet: jackb@mdd.comm.mot.com
| 12 |
Any updated Canon BJ-200 driver?
Hi ... can anyone tell me where I can get a copy of updated Canon BJ-200
printer driver for Windows 3.1, if any ? I have ver 1.0 which comes with
my BJ-200 printer, I just wonder if there is any newer version.
Thanks very much, please email.
| 2 |
Re: Non-lethal alternatives to handguns?
In article <Apr15.032620.75908@yuma.ACNS.ColoState.EDU>, holland@CS.ColoState.EDU (douglas craig holland) writes:
>
>What about guns with non-lethal bullets, like rubber or plastic bullets. Would
>those work very well in stopping an attack?
Ask the Brits. Enough people have been killed by rubber bullets that they now
use them under only certain "controlled" circumstances. And they are fired
from something that looks like a tear gas launcher.
There are smaller rubber bullets and pellets (for shotguns). I understand that
they are only intended to be discouragers, ie. for the snapping but not truly
dangerous animal. In general, they do not seem capable of really stopping
someone who wants you or past you. They are fired at very low muzzle velocity
(the .38 ball round is intended for a 400fps load). Finally, as your mother
warned you, you can put an eye out with that thing. :-)
--
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| 16 |
NX2000 vs. Sentra SE-R
I'm plannig to trade my Sentra SE-R in with a NX2000. My car has 11,500
miles on it and is a '92 model. The NX2000 the dealer is selling is a '91
model with 23,000miles on it. It has a T-Bar Roof, a/c, and an airbag,
which my Sentra does not have. They are asking for $1500. Is that a fair
deal? The only thing I noticed about the NX2000 is that the engine did not
seem to have as much torque as my Sentra which has the same identical
engine. I presume that the last lady owner did not really push the engine
to it's limits occassionaly while I did that on mine, thuis the NX2000's
engine is a little "tight." So, if I buy the NX2000 and "excercise" it
well, should that slight power problem go away? Any advice on this will be
much appreciated. Thanks. Please reply via e-mail if possible.
--
A motion picture major at the Brooks Institute of Photography, CA
Santa Barbara and a foreign student from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
"The mind is the forerunner of all states."
| 7 |
WinWord -- Spelling Dictionaries for non-US English ?
Word for Windows lets me designate text as being in a language other
than US English. (Alt-F L, Format | Language, as I recall.) So I mark
it for English (UK), but it still accepts "rumor" and squawks at
"rumour". As far as I can see, Microsoft didn't include the English
(UK) dictionary on my disks. (I don't mean to imply that I was singled
out; I assume that nobody in the U.S got them.) I dialed the Microsoft
BBS, but nothing in the Word for Windows section looked helpful.
Can anyone tell me where or how to obtain the UK spelling dictionary for
Winword 2.0? The file name would be SPELL_UK.LEX or something similar.
Email please; I'll post a summary.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems brown@Ncoast.ORG
English is my native language and I love it. But don't try to tell me
that it's easy to learn or that it makes sense. If it were, "baseline"
would rhyme with "vaseline".
| 2 |
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Since I really need the money, I will sell it to the person who gives me
the highest offer, and I WILL ACCEPT THE BEST OFFER if not $750.
Buyer pays insured shipping.
Reply soon if intereseted.
Thanks.
| 6 |
Re: #77's?
In article <1r23on$4p6@bigboote.WPI.EDU> ching@bigwpi.WPI.EDU ("The
Logistician") writes:
>
>I am in need of all of the players wearing #77 in the NHL. I know now
only
>of one, Ray Borque for the Bruins. Any help would be greatly
appreciated.
Paul Coffey of Detroit RedWings
Bjoernar Steinbakken
| 10 |
God, morality, and massacres
A listmember (D Andrew Killie, I think) wrote, in response to the
suggestion that genocide may sometimes be the will of God:
> Any God who works that way is indescribably evil,
> and unworthy of my worship or faith.
Nobuya "Higgy" Higashiyama replied (as, in substance, did others):
> Where is your source of moral standards by which you judge God's
> behavior?
It is often argued that we have no standing by which to judge God's
actions. Who is the clay to talk back to the potter? But we find a
contrary view in Scripture. When God proposes to destroy the city of
Sodom (Genesis 18), Abraham says:
+ Suppose that there are some good men in the city.
+ Will you destroy the righteous along with the wicked?
+ Far be it from you, Lord, to do such a thing!
+ Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
I am told that the Hebrew is actually a bit stronger than this, and
can perhaps be better rendered (dynamic equivalence) as
+ Shame on you, Lord, if you do such a thing!
There are those who say that the definition of "good" is "whatever
God happens to want." But if that is so, then the statement that God
is good has no meaning. It simply says that God does what He wants.
That being the case, no one can either love or obey God because He
is good. The only motive left for obeying Him is that He is
powerful. Just as it makes sense to obey a dictator, even when he
tells you to round up all Jews and exterminate them, because if you
defy him you might end up in the gas chamber yourself, so it makes
sense to obey God, because He has the power to punish you if you
don't. This ethical theory I take to be in radical contradiction to
Genesis 18 and to Christianity in general.
Any theory that makes our moral judgements worthless makes any
further discussion of morality (or of the goodness of God)
meaningless. However, it does not follow that our moral judgements
are always infallible in particular cases, still less our judgements
in particular cases about the course of action most likely to
achieve a good result.
When I read the Scriptural accounts of the actions of God in
history, those actions often seem to me very different from what I
might expect of a God who loves us and desires what is best for us.
Moreover, leaving the Scriptures aside, and considering the natural
world, I find that Nature is often very different from what I might
expect if it were the work of a benevolent deity. (Origen said:
"Those who believe that the Author of Nature is also the Author of
the Scriptures must expect to find in the Scriptures the same sort
of difficulties that they find in Nature.")
Now, that some such difficulties should exist is not in itself an
argument against the existence, power, wisdom, and goodness of God.
On the contrary, their ABSENCE would be such an argument. Suppose
that I am watching Bobby Fisher play chess, and suppose that every
time he makes a move, I find myself nodding and saying: "Good move!
Just what I was expecting him to do. Same move I would have made if
I were playing." That would be a sign that Fisher is no better a
chess player than myself. Given that he is better, I expect that at
least some of his moves will have me thinking, "Now, what do suppose
induced him to do that?" or even, "Boy, that was a real slip -- he's
just thrown the game away!" Similarly, if God understands the
workings of the universe better than I do, it is to be expected that
sometimes it will look to me as if He has made a mistake.
One difference between Fisher at the chessboard and God at the
controls of the universe is that I can see the end of the chess
game. If Fisher wins, I revise my earlier inference that it was
carelessness that made him lose his queen 23 moves earlier.
However, if he loses, and particularly if I can see that there was a
time when he had an opportunity for a checkmate in two moves and did
not take it, then I know that he is not as good a player as I had
thought.
With God, on the other hand, I shall not in this life see the total
result of some of His actions. Therefore, my grounds for judging
that I have seen a bad move on His part must always be far shakier
than my grounds for making a similar judgement about Fisher.
***** ***** ***** ***** *****
In the book of Genesis, we read that Joseph's ten older brothers,
who (with good reason) found him insufferable, conspired to sell
him into slavery in Egypt. There he eventually became Viceroy, and
when there was a famine in Canaan, he was able to provide for his
family. When his brothers nervously apologized, he told them: "Do
not worry. You meant to do me evil, but God turned it into good."
I once heard a rabbi speak on this text. He said:
The history of the Jews is largely a history of events
that look like catastrophes that threaten the continued
survival of the religion, or the people, or both. But,
amazingly, those events turn out to be the saving of the Jews
and of Judaism.
The sale of Joseph by his brothers looked like the breakup
of the family. But in fact, it ended with a reconciliation of
the quarrel between them. The famine that drove the family out
of Canaan looked like a misfortune for them. But in fact, if
they had stayed in Canaan, they would almost certainly have
intermarried with the Canaanites and been assimilated into
their culture. Their oppression by the Egyptians a few
generations after their arrival in Egypt again looked like a
disaster. But God used it to bring them out of Egypt, and into
the Promised Land.
Here the people built a Temple, and regularly offered
sacrifices. But the Babylonians captured Jerusalem and Judea,
destroyed Temple and city and countryside, and deported most of
the people to Babylon. You might have thought that that would
be the end of the people and the religion. But it was not.
Living in Canaan, the people had been under constant danger of
assimilation. Again and again, they had turned from the
worship of the LORD to the worship of the Canaanite fertility
cults, with their ritual prostitution and ritual human
sacrifice. The Babylonian captivity put a stop to that. Never
again did the Jews show any interest in polytheism or idolatry.
Neither the worship of the Canaanites mor that of the
Babylonians ever again had a foothold among them.
Nor is that all. Judaism had been in danger of becoming
simply a system of sacrifices and Temple observances. The only
prescribed acts of worship consisted of coming to Jerusalem
every so often and offering a sacrifice. During the Captivity,
with the Temple gone, the Jews invented the synagogue, a place
of meeting for reading and study and discussion of the
Scriptures. They came to realize clearly, what they were in
danger of forgetting while they continued to live in Judea,
that God is not simply a local or tribal deity, not just the
controller of the land of Canaan, or the patron of the Jewish
people, but the Creator of the world, and the Ruler and Judge
of all humans everywhere.
Time passed, and the Babylonian Empire was replaced by
that of the Persians, and then that of the Greeks, or rather
the Macedonians. The ruler, Antiochus Epiphanes, was determined
to stamp out Judaism, and to this end he made the reading and
the study of the Torah punishable by death. Again, one might
think that this would be the end of Judaism. But it was not.
The people met for worship, and instead of reading the Torah
portion appointed for the day, they would read some passage
from the prophets that had a similar theme, and then discuss
that. Before this time, the Torah, the so-called Five Books of
Moses (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy)
were the only books read and studied in the synagogue. If it
had not been for Antiochus, the books of the prophets would
probably have been forgotten altogether. His hatred for Judaism
saved them.
[Other examples here omitted for brevity's sake.]
Some of you may remember that Julie Andrews first became
famous as Eliza Doolittle in the stage production of MY FAIR
LADY. When Warner Brothers undertook to make a movie of it,
everyone expected that Julie, who had been so magnificent on
stage, would play the same role in the movie. Instead, the
studio decided to go with an established screen star, and cast
Audrey Hepburn. Julie Andrews was naturally crushed. But she
later realized that if she had played the screen role, she
would have been type-cast for life as an Elize Doolittle type.
It would have been a disaster for her. As it was, Walt Disney
offered her the role of Mary Poppins, and she won an Oscar for
it. At the presentation, she stood there, smiling, and looking
at Walt Disney, she said, "And now, my special thanks to the
man who made all this possible -- JACK WARNER!" It was the most
memorable line of the evening.
In a similar spirit, we Jews might thank the men who in
the providence of God have preserved Judaism, and kept it alive
to this day, beginning with Joseph's brothers, and continuing
with two Pharaohs, with Nebuchadnezzar, with Antiochus
Epiphanes....
After the formal meeting had broken up, one woman came up to him
privately and said, "You were talking about the Holocaust, weren't
you?" He answered, "If that is an example that came to your mind,
then you are right, I was talking about it to you. But I would not
talk about it to everyone, for not everyone can bear it." I assume
that he meant that, without the Holocaust, there would have been no
state of Israel.
Someone hearing the rabbi's lecture might leap to the conclusion
that God is dependent on the wickedness of men to accomplish His
purposes -- or at least that the rabbi thought so. He might then go
on to suppose that the wickedness is in fact God's doing -- that He
stirred up Joseph's brothers to a murderous hate against him, and
that when the Israelites were in Egypt, God hardened Pharaoh's
heart, so that he oppressed the people, and would not let them go.
And this raises questions about how an action can be considered
wicked and at the same time be considered something that God has
brought about.
I suggest another way of looking at it. Consider a sculptor who has
a log of wood from which he proposes to carve a statue. But the log,
instead of having a smooth even grain throughout, has a large knot
that spoils the appearance of the surface. The sculptor considers
the wood for a while, and then carves a statue that features the
knot, that makes that particular interruption in the grain and color
of the wood correspond to some feature of the statue, so that
observers will say: "How fortunate the sculptor was in finding a
piece of wood with a knot like that in just the right place. Its
presence is the crowning touch, the thing that makes the statue a
great work of art." In reality, the knot, far from being what the sculptor was
looking for, was a challenge to his skill. If the wood had not
contained that flaw, he would still have made a great work of art,
but a different one. So, if Joseph's brothers had not sold him, God
would still have brought about His purposes for the Jewish people,
but He would have done so in another manner. If Judas had not
betrayed Jesus, if Caiaphas and his fellow leaders had not rejected
Jesus, but had rather acknowledged Him as the Annointed of God, if
Pilate had followed his conscience rather than his fears and had set
Jesus free, it might appear that there would have been no
Crucifixion, and therefore no Redemption, and therefore no
Salvation. Not so. God did not need Judas' sin to redeem us. If
Judas had done right, then God in Christ would still have reconciled
the world to Himself. We do not know how, just as we do not know
how Michelangelo would have painted the Sistine Chapel if its
interior had instead been shaped like Grand Central Station, and
just as we do not know how Bobby Fisher would have won his fourth
game agianst Spassky if Spassky had refused the exchange of bishops
and had attacked Fisher's knight instead (don't bother to look up
the game in question--I am making up this example, but the point is
none the less valid).
Thus, we may say both (1) that God used, say, the cowardice of
Pilate to accomplish His purposes, and (2) that the said cowardice
was not God's doing, and that Pilate would not have thwarted God's
plans by behaving justly and courageously.
What, then, are we to make of the place where God says to Moses, "I
will harden Pharaoh's heart, so that he will not let the people go"?
Some Christians have taken this to mean that Pharaoh was a puppet
with God pulling the strings, and that his stubbornness and cruelty
were not his own work, but the work of God in him. I suppose rather
that what God was telling Moses was something like this: "If you see
that Pharaoh is not willing to let the people go, do not be
discouraged, or suppose that the situation is out of my control. My
purposes will not be thwarted. If Pharaoh chooses to hear you and
let the people go, well and good. If he does not, I will fit his
resistance into my plans, and fit it so perfectly that future
historians and theologians will suppose that I would have been
thrown for a loss if Pharaoh had obeyed me."
To return to the question that started this all off. Is it possible
that the Serbs, in slaughtering the Moslems of Bosnia, are
instruments of God's will?
First point. What they are doing is wrong, just as what
Joseph's brothers did was wrong, just as what Judas did was wrong.
They intend it for evil. If God somehow brings good out of it, that
does not make them any less subject to just condemnation and
punishment.
Second point. Of course, God will bring good out of it. But not
the same good that He would have brought if the Serbians had
refrained from the sins of robbery and rape and murder. Nor does the
good He purposes excuse us from the duty of doing what is right.
Yours,
James Kiefer
| 15 |
Mission Aviation Fellowship
Hi,
Does anyone know anything about this group and what they
do? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!
| 15 |
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| 6 |
Re: Using Microsoft Foundation Classes with Borland C++ 3.1
In article <1qv1rc$fcp@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>, make@cs.tu-berlin.de (M. Kerkhoff) writes:
> Hi all,
>
> has anybody tried to compile CTRLTEST from the MFC/SAMPLES directory,
> after compiling the MFC-libs with BWC ?
>
> Seems to me, that BWC isn't able to distinguish pointers to overloaded
> functions.
> For example, imagine the following 2 (overloaded) functions:
> void same_name ( void )
> void same_name ( int )
>
> After trying the whole day, I think, with BWC its impossible to take the
> adress of one of the above two functions and assign it to a properly defined
> function pointer.
> Am I right ? Has anybody else had this problem ?
>
> thanx
I think you may be chasing the wrong problem. I don't think it is the
function overloading at all-- I do that sort of thing all of the time
in BC++ without a hitch. The big problems I have encountered in
porting MFC to BC++ is that fact that MFC _depends_ on a couple of
invalid C++ assumptions.
I have never gotten the _entire_ ctrltest app to run under BC++, but
the reason is that MS makes some bad assumptions about the order in
which static/global objects are initialized (i.e. some objects are
getting accessed before they are initialized). The problem is in the
owner-draw menu code somewhere-- if you comment out that section, all
other pieces of ctrltest work fine.
Two other major gotchas I have found using MFC under BC++:
- The CFile::OpenFlags enum uses hard-coded numbers for the open mode,
rather than the manifest constants defined in fcntrl.h (which differ
between MSC and BC).
- All of the MFC collection classes depend on another bad C++
assumption-- that a reference to a base object can used be in place
of a reference to a derived object (true for pointers, NOT for
references).
I am sure there are other problems along the same lines, but I have
not encountered them (yet). I have not seen MFC 2.0 yet, but I hope
that some of these will be addressed. If they are not, all of MS's
hype about portability to other vendor's compilers will be just that.
--
If these were my employer's opinions, I wouldn't be posting them.
###############################################################################
"Whoever said nothing lasts forever was obviously # R. Brendler
NOT a Cubs fan..." - Mike Royko # SPSS, Inc. - Chicago IL
| 2 |
Re: When are two people married
JEK@cu.nih.gov writes:
>...
>The essential ingredient of a marriage is mutual commitment. Two
>persons are considered to be married if and only if they have bound
>themselves by mutual promises to live together as husband and wife,
>forsaking all others, till death do them part.
>
Does that imply that people who take marriage vows but aren't sincere
are not married?
Jeff Johnson
jcj@tellabs.com
| 15 |
For Sale: Game Boy
For sale:
Nintendo Game Boy, Tetris, Castlevania Adventure, All-Star Challenge,
Nemesis, Play-Action football, link cable.
Make me an offer.
Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat.
I define myself--tsa@cellar.org
| 6 |
Re: Lead Acid batteries & Concrete?
In article <1993Apr21.204556.21262@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu> camter28@astro.ocis.temple.edu (Carter Ames) writes:
>
> Why does a lead acid battery discharge and become dead (totally unuseable)
>when stored on a concrete floor?
> I decided to bring the battery in from the lawn mower and the motorcycle
>from the unheated garage this year, *to preserve them* and I just
>went to use them and noticed that not only do they not work, but
>they act like the two terminals are shorted. I asked a friend
>and he said that you should never do that, 'cause it ruins them,
>but he couldn't tell me why.
This topic was beaten to death a year or so ago.
The concrete is not the problem.
Lead-acid batteries often fail from disuse (not being charged for a long
time), but there's no way the concrete floor could be the cause of the
problem.
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| 12 |
Re: _Christianity In Crisis_ by Hank Hanegraaff
In article <May.12.04.27.23.1993.9926@athos.rutgers.edu> af664@yfn.ysu.edu (Frank DeCenso, Jr.) writes:
>Has anyone read this important book? If so, what are your feelings about it?
>
>Frank
>--
>"If one wished to contend with Him, he could not answer Him one time out
> of a thousand." JOB 9:3
Hi Frank:
I've read it a couple of times and I think that it is excellent.
Christiandom has needed this book for some time now. I suggest that
*every* Christian read it.
According to Hank, they printed 15 times more than Harvest House
usually prints for the first printing, and it still sold out in
the first week. It is in it's second printing, and most Christian
book stores have waiting lists. You can order it directly from CRI
at 1-800-443-9797.
-tony
| 15 |
differences in insurance companies' rates
I am considering buying an new car, so I called three insurance
companies in California to get estimates. I asked for the same
coverage and same deductibles. Most of the companies charge you
according to your zip code. Others charge according to your city.
Anyhow, I gave the same zip code and city to all three places. Here's
what I found (for a '93 Integra GS):
AAA: ~$2000/yr.
State Farm: 2614.92/yr.
Allstate: 1220/yr.
AAA is non-profit, so they said I could also expect to receive about
$200-300 back at the end of the year.
Still, There is a huge gap between all of these companies. State Farm
wants MORE than TWICE as much as Allstate. I think I should be
suspicious, but I've never heard anybody else complain.
Any comments?
Thanks,
Gregg L. Kasten
gregg@cs.stanford.edu
| 7 |
Re: Genocide is Caused by Atheism
In article <1993Apr19.112008.26198@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
|> In <1qi3fc$jkj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|>
|> >In article <1993Apr14.110209.7703@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
|> >>
|> >> Some here on alt.atheism think that by condemning the actions
|> >> of some of those who call themselves Muslims, they are condemning
|> >> Islam.
|>
|> >Do you read minds, Mr Rice? You know what posters think now,
|> >not just what they write?
|>
|> >For myself, I only have what people are posting here to go on,
|> >and that's what I am commenting on.
|>
|> I think you may have misunderstood me.
|>
|> I mean that one does not really criticize _Islam_ necessarily by
|> bringing Khomeini etc. into the argument, for whether he is or is not
|> following Islam has to be determined by examining his actions against
|> Islamic teachings. Islamic teachings are contained in the Qur'an and
|> hadiths (reported sayings and doings of the Prophet).
That's funny, I thought you were making a statement about what
people think. In fact, I see it quoted up there.
jon.
| 0 |
Facinating facts: 30 bit serial number, possibly fixed S1 and S2
denning@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu (Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Quisling) writes:
Each chip includes the following components:
the Skipjack encryption algorithm
F, an 80-bit family key that is common to all chips
N, a 30-bit serial number
U, an 80-bit secret key that unlocks all messages encrypted with the chip
Hmmm. A thirty bit serial number. And, we are told, the unit key U is
derived deterministically from this serial number. That means that
there are only one billion possible unit keys.
To generate the unit key for a serial number N, the 30-bit value N is
first padded with a fixed 34-bit block to produce a 64-bit block N1.
S1 and S2 are then used as keys to triple-encrypt N1, producing a
64-bit block R1:
R1 = E[D[E[N1; S1]; S2]; S1] .
Similarly, N is padded with two other 34-bit blocks to produce N2 and
N3, and two additional 64-bit blocks R2 and R3 are computed:
R2 = E[D[E[N2; S1]; S2]; S1]
R3 = E[D[E[N3; S1]; S2]; S1] .
R1, R2, and R3 are then concatenated together, giving 192 bits. The
first 80 bits are assigned to U1 and the second 80 bits to U2. The
rest are discarded. The unit key U is the XOR of U1 and U2. U1 and U2
are the key parts that are separately escrowed with the two escrow
agencies.
Hmmm. We must assume that generating the unit key U from the serial
number N rather than generating it from a randomly selected U1 and U2
is an intentional way of assuring a "fail safe" for the government --
U is completedly determined given S1, S2 and N. If S1 and S2 do not
change they constitute effective "master keys" (along with F), the
theft of which (or the possession of which by various authorities)
completely obviates the security of the system. However, more
interestingly, we know, for a fact that if S1 and S2 are fixed no
matter what the keyspace for U is no more than 2^30. Why not pick U1
and U2 at random? Why this interesting restriction of they key space
if it NOT to provide an additional back door?
I find it disturbing that at the very best my security is dependant on
approximately 30 bytes worth of information that could be written on
the back of a napkin.
Even if S1 and S2 change periodically, the rationale behind this
restriction in the size of the keyspace seems strange if one is
assuming that the goal is security -- and makes perfect sense if the
goal is an illusion of security.
If S1 and S2 do not change, even if they remain secret I wonder if
they can somehow be back-derived given enough unit key/serial number
pairs. We are assured that this cannot happen -- but no one
understands how Skipjack works outside of government officials and,
soon, foreign intelligence services that gain the information via
espionage. Presumably we will eventually have the information as well
-- reverse engineering gets more and more advanced every year -- but
by the time we know it may be too late.
As a sequence of values for U1, U2, and U are generated, they are
written onto three separate floppy disks. The first disk contains a
file for each serial number that contains the corresponding key part
U1. The second disk is similar but contains the U2 values. The third
disk contains the unit keys U. Agent 1 takes the first disk and agent
2 takes the second disk. The third disk is used to program the chips.
After the chips are programmed, all information is discarded from the
vault and the agents leave. The laptop may be destroyed for additional
assurance that no information is left behind.
None of this makes me feel the least bit secure. The silly notion of
"destroying the laptop" appears to be yet another bizarre distraction.
We all know that you can't read data from DRAM that has been turned
off for more than a few moments. On the other hand, what we don't know
is why there is a need to generate the unit keys from S1 and S2 in the
first place other than to weaken the system. We don't know if the
agents in question would resist a million in cash a piece for their
information -- its probably worth hundreds of million, so you can make
the bribe arbitrarily hard to resist. And to tell you the truth, doing
this in a "vault" rather than in Joe Random Tempest-shielded Room
with a laptop computer seems like melodrama designed to make
high-school dropouts from Peoria impressed -- but it does very little
for most of the rest of us.
The protocol may be changed slightly so that four people are in the
room instead of two. The first two would provide the seeds S1 and S2,
and the second two (the escrow agents) would take the disks back to
the escrow agencies.
What would this provide? Lets say the escrow agencies are the ACLU and
the NRA and their agents personally take back the disks and are always
honest. Who cares? The NSA must be laughing out loud, because they
have the algorithm to regenerate U given N and likely don't need to
steal they keys as they effectively already have them.
--
Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com
--
Laissez faire, laissez passer. Le monde va de lui meme.
| 11 |
Re: SCSI or IDE: The Bottom Line
In article <1993Apr22.192408.2272@msc.cornell.edu>, Randy Ellingson writes:
> Which would YOU choose, and why?
I have both!
I have IDE only on my DROS box and IDE and SCSI on my Unix box.
IDE on the DROS box 'cos it only has a hard disk, SCSI on my Unix box 'cos it
has a SCSI hard disk, CD-ROM and tape.
I bought SCSI as it makes adding many devices easier. For the price of one
irq and dma I have three different types of device connected up.
Faster drives are also available for SCSI - I have a DEC DSP3085s that realy
does have a 9ms average seek time. I.E it finds data 25% faster than my 12ms
Toshiba drive.
>
> Like lots of people, I'd really like to increase my data transfer rate from
> the hard drive. Right now I have a 15ms 210Mb IDE drive (Seagate 1239A), and
> a standard IDE controller card on my ISA 486-50.
I don't think that SCSI will increase your data transfer much on an ISA bus :-(
>
> I'm currently thinking about adding another HD, in the 300Mb to 500Mb range.
> And I'm thinking hard about buying a SCSI drive (SCSI for the future benefit).
> I believe I'm getting something like 890Kb/sec transfer right now (according
> to NU).
890KB/s is pretty good...
>
> How would this number compare if I bought the state-of-the-art SCSI card for
> my ISA PC, and the state-of-the-art SCSI hard drive (the best system I could
> hope for)?
Many state of the art SCSI disks use the *SAME* mechanicals as many state of the
art IDE drives. Only the interface electronis differ - look at the 520MB Fijitsu
drive for an example!
>
> Obviously money factors into this choice as well as any other, but what would
> YOU want to use on your ISA system? And how much would it cost?
I use an Adaptec 1542B on my Unix box and no-name IDE cards on both.
>
> Along those lines, what kind of transfer rate could I see with my IDE HD's if I
> were to buy the top-of-the-line IDE caching controller for my 200Mb, 15ms HD?
> And how much would it cost?
Caching controller! Why? What does it give you that smartdrive ( for DOS ) does
not? About 30KB extra lower memory! That's about it.
A properly configured main memory cache will produce better results than a caching
controller! My Unix reads reads data from its main memory cache at 8.5MB/s! That's
faster than the standards ISA bus can ever sustain!
>
> Thanks for any comments.
>
> Randy
>
Guy
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| 3 |
Re: Homosexuality issues in Christianity
In <May.13.02.31.16.1993.1569@geneva.rutgers.edu> djohnson@cs.ucsd.edu
(Darin Johnson) writes:
>Ok, what's more important to gay Christians? Sex, or Christianity?
I'm afraid I see that question as very tendentious. Try rephrasing it:
What's more important to Christians? Love of God or love
of other human beings?
to which of course the only conceivable answer is that the one is like
the other. I am *deeply* suspicious of any "flavor" of Christianity
which would elevate one clause of the Great Commandment to a "priority"
over the other such as to claim a conflict. True, we are told to let
the dead bury the dead, to "hate" family rather than let it keep us from
following Christ. But the dichotomy here is not one between love of our
fellows and love of God, but of allowing *social* constructs to blind us
to the presense of God. It is particularly satanic to twist love of God
in such a manner as to become an excuse to treat others as on a different
level than the one who is so caught up in "love" of God.
The trouble comes in the relation of human love and human sex. Yes, it
has sometimes been the case that the Church has "taught" that all sex
was nasty, evil, sinful stuff. But when man and wife leave their parental
homes to become helpmates, living in one flesh, it is the sex that is the
vehicle of becoming "one flesh" (if you doubt me, read St. Paul on what
is wrong with frequenting prostitutes :-)). Less provocatively, what I
mean is just this: sexual bonding is a deeply founded aspect of our social
interaction, and in particular is the foundation of the institution of
marriage, so that unlike with many mammals, human males remain with and
foster the children they beget and support their children's mothers.
This is the schema behind Genesis 2:18-24 (and behind Jesus' citation of
that passage.)
[ I observe, by the way, that not all human males in fact do as
I have just described; but another thing that characterizes
human societies is our raising of *non*begotten children, not
only orphans and adoptees and the like, but products of the
quite common infidelities of humans to their spouses. We are
in this not unique in the animal world, but the full extent of
social consequences and implications is most intricate for us. ]
Yes, of course it sometimes goes "wrong" -- like all else we do, it is
infected with sin, and you find married "couples" where there is no bond,
and people so deliriously addicted to the initial stages of sexual bond
formation (the "infatuation", "falling in love" phase) that they break
any forming bond in order to keep stepping over the threshold of the deep
unity God has prepared for us, and stepping back out again right away.
Satan may indeed *use* sex as a very handy tool to corrupt human love --
but in the Edenic creation, that is not its nature, and with God's grace
under the power of Christ to make all things new it need not be a problem
for Christians (though we must be vigilant, even in Christ, as the devil
is watchful, prowling around like a roaring lion seeking someone to devour.)
So, returning to the original question, what is more important to STRAIGHT
Christians? Sex, or Christianity? Paul, clearly, tended to think that
sex was at best a distraction from Christianity (though to be charitable
to him, his context was in expectation of immediate parousia, so that the
hard TASKS of a married union -- the lifelong building and adaptation to
each other -- seemed somehow to undercut the "proper" preparation for an
immediate eschaton. Since we *do not* know the hour of return, we should
act *both* with instant readiness for that *and* with a commitiment to our
mates that proposes a long lifetime together. And telling people *not* to
bond in such a perspective strikes me as crippling us in the second clause
of the the commandment to love. I would claim that only a very few saints
have the CAPACITY to deeply love (without sexual tinges or complication,
mind you) their fellow human beings unless they have had a deeply spiritual
life in married union growing together as one flesh -- and that means in
the type case, with a persistent and continued sexual relationship. We
are human, and little good comes of trying to "mortify the flesh" to the
point of pretending to be otherwise, pretending NOT to be sexual beings.
>Christianity I would hope. Would they be willing to forgo sex
>completely, in order to avoid being a stumbling block to others,
It depends entirely on context. If that context is major hypocrisy
on the part of those who find us "stumbling blocks" I am much less of
a mind to efface myself so that they can pontificate about MY sins.
There are some people for whom a life of celibacy is a spritual gift,
and maybe even a victory against a to-them troubling sexual urge that
seems to them to lead only to sin. Nothing I say should ever be read
as demeaning such a gift. Nor the even rarer gift of love for all our
conspecifics, and indeed for all God's creation, that can develop to
the full *without* the tutoring of a spousal/helpmate marriage founded
in sex. But there is a difference between spiritual gifts and penance;
telling people that they HAVE to have a particular gift (or else? what?)
is fraught with manipulation and disregard of the differences of our
spiritual endowments from God. To one person is given the gift of
speaking in toungues, to another intepretation of toungues; to yet
another prophecy; and to still another teaching. The notion that some
*particular* gift is required of *all* is one of the earliest heresies.
--
Michael L. Siemon I say "You are gods, sons of the
mls@panix.com Most High, all of you; nevertheless
- or - you shall die like men, and fall
mls@ulysses.att..com like any prince." Psalm 82:6-7
| 15 |
Re: California Insurance Commissioner Endorses Federal Legislation to Protect Consumers from Scam Insurance Companies
rick@sjsumcs.sjsu.edu (Richard Warner) writes:
>Very simple. An 'Insurance Commissioner' is a bureaucrat - a regulator.
>It is his/her duties to make rules to enforce laws.
...and to make life difficult for us actuaries..... :-/
--
Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) Champaign, IL / southeast AL
"THRUSH believes in the two-party system: The masters and the slaves."
-- Napoleon Solo (from The Man from U.N.C.L.E)
| 18 |
Re: CorelDraw Bitmap to SCODAL
My CorelDRAW 3.0.whatever write SCODL files directly. Look under File|Export
on the main menu.
Rick
| 1 |
Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography
Quoting jgfoot@minerva.cis.yale.edu in article <1r3jgbINN35i@eli.CS.YALE.EDU>:
>Perhaps these encryption-only types would defend the digitized porn if it
>was posted encrypted?
>These issues are not as seperable as you maintain.
In fact, since effective encryption makes censorship impossible, they
are almost the same issue and they certainly fall into the brief of the
EFF.
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/\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus!
| 11 |
Re: Quadra SCSI Problems???
> ATTENTION: Mac Quadra owners: Many storage industry experts have
> concluded that Mac Quadras suffer from timing irregularities deviating
> from the standard SCSI specification. This results in silent corruption
> of data when used with some devices, including ultra-modern devices.
> Although I will not name the devices, since it is not their fault, an
> example would be a Sony 3.5 inch MO, without the special "Mac-compatible"
> firmware installed. One solution, sometimes, is to disable "blind writes"
This doesn't sound right to me. Don't Quadras use the 53C96? If so, the
Mac has nothing to do with the SCSI timing. That's all handled by the
chip. About the only the timing could be wrong is if Apple programs the
clock registers wrong on the 96. That, however, should only really hurt
synchronous transfer, which is not used by the Mac SCSI Manager.
Furthermore, disabling blind writes should be meaningless on a Quadra.
On Macs that used the 5380, which is a much lower level SCSI chip, the
Mac was responsible for the handshake of each byte transferred. Blind
mode affected how the Mac handled that handshake. On the 5396, the
handshake is entirely handled by the chip.
--Tim Smith
| 4 |
Re: Monitors - Nanao?
In article <C5uw1t.3HI@eskimo.com> johnn@eskimo.com (John Navitsky) writes:
>
>I would like a monitor that can handle high resolutions like 1024x1024 NI.
>I'm envisioning using this monitor on an Amiga 4000 or Amiga 2000 w/a graphics
>board like the Retina, and/or on a Sun like the SPARCstation LX. Basically
>I want a high resolution versital monitor. This monitor need not be large
>(=>17") if it meets the brief requirements as outlined above. I've been
>very happy with a 16" on Suns and could probably cope with smaller at home.
>
>I'm interested if anyone has more details on high quality Sony and Hitatchi
>monitors since they seem to be used on Sun's fairly often and look pretty
>good (to me at least). I haven't seem them brought up in c.s.i.p.h very
>often as are Mag and Viewsonic.
>
Give the new Viewsonic 17 a good look. I have seen it side by side with
an old Viewsonic 7, a MAG 17, a Nanao 17" (not the Trinitron one), and
a Sony OEM 17" (which does have a Trinitron tube). The new Viewsonic
beat all of them easily in terms of picture quality, and I think it is
far superior to the 16" Sun that I am staring at now. The place asks
$1178 for it; I would have bought it if I had not just bought a 15"
Nanao F340iw a week earlier :(
Keh-Cheng
| 3 |
Re: Canon BJ200 (BubbleJet) and HP DeskJet 500...
I edited a few newsgroup from that line (don't like to crosspost THAT
much). I can't compare the two, but I recently got an HP DeskJet 500.
I'm very pleased with the output (remember that I'm used to imagens,
laser and postscript printers at school -- looks very good. You have
to be careful to let it dry before touching it, as it will smudge.
The deskjet is SLOW. This is in comparison to the other printers I
mentioned. I have no idea how the bubblejet compares.
The interface between Win3.1 and the printer is just dandy, I've not
had any problems with it.
Hope that helps some.
--Cindy
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| 2 |
Re: How does a pitcher get a save?
In article <1993Apr23.135139.18749@newshub.ariel.yorku.ca>, cs902060@ariel.yorku.ca (GEOFFREY E DIAS) writes:
>
> The subject line says it all. What is the rule that qualifies
> a pitcher as making a save?
IMHO this is the most untrustworthy, silly stat, by today's rules, in all
of baseball. My understanding is to qualify as a save a pitcher cannot
pitch more than three innings and the potential tying run must at least
appear in the on-deck circle. Also, the lead a pitcher enters with cannot
excede three runs.
I believe that the official scorers must assert more of their authority in
determining winners/savers/etc. For instance, a pitcher can come in in the
ninth with a lead, blow the lead, fall behind, have his team come back in
the next half inning and earn the win. Has this pitcher earned a win, no
way.
I guy could pitch five strong innings of middle relief and see his
teammates rally to tie the score. Assume he came in to start the fourth
and left after the eighth. His teammate holds the opposition scoreless in
the ninth and they score a run in the bottom of the ninth to win. The
third pitcher earns the win and the middle reliever gets no "stat"
satisfaction.
Mike
I bleed the blue of Dodgers and even like Lasorda spaghetti sauce.
>
| 9 |
Re: My IIcx won't turn on...
I've changed the battery in the thing (shortly after the problem first
happened) and I've noticed an inordinate number of Bus errors lately...
T.J. Pilon
pilon@rpi.edu
| 4 |
Re: So far so good
>>This may be a really dumb one, but I'll ask it anyways:
>> Christians know that they can never live up to the requirements of
>>God, right? (I may be wrong, but that is my understanding) But they still
>>try to do it. Doesn't it seem like we are spending all of our lives
>>trying to reach a goal we can never achieve? I know that we are saved by
>>faith and not by works, but does that mean that once we are saved we don't
>>have to do anything? I think James tells us that Faith without works is
>>dead (paraphrase). How does this work?
Short reply: We can never achieve perfect health, yet we always strive for it.
We don't seek to do God's will because we're forced to, we follow His way
because His way is best. The reason it's hard is because we are flawed, not
because He's unreasonable. But we seek to follow His way because we want to
improve ourselves and our lives.
- Mark
| 15 |
tape backup for windows
I'm looking for a complete hw/sw solution:
I need an ISA/VLB scsi controller (e.g Ultrastor 34F)
plus a tape drive (500Mb or less like Archive) plus a Windows
program that will work on these.
My intended system will have 32Mb RAM so
plain ISA controllers will no longer do.
But I also hear that the SCSI world
is not very organized.
So does anybody have a tape backup setup
like what I'm looking for ? Please
describe it.
Thanks. e-mail please.
--
marka@gcx1.ssd.csd.harris.com
| 3 |
Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)
(misc.legal trimmed)
In article <C5uqsM.3I9@encore.com>, rcollins@ns.encore.com (Roger Collins) writes:
> Let me explain some possible "means" to libertarian-style government
> one last time.
> If the dominate philosophy of a society held that it was OK to kill your
> neighbor for sport, no government system (except a strong tyranny by the
> minority) could keep the people from killing each other.
> The dominate philosophy in our society holds that it is OK for people to
> steal and coerce each other as long as it's done by vote or through the
> government machine. Libertarians realize what this legal stealing and
> coercion does to a society.
> So just as a society of non-murderers would not vote for the "right" to
> murder, a society of non-coercers would not vote for the ability to
> coerce.
> If libertarianism became the dominate philosophy, the people would do a
> good job of restraining government (to the extent that libertarianism
> was dominate).
> So means #1 is educating the people to become libertarian.
Well, that's the obvious conclusion, given your train of logic. The
corollary then is that it must be a waste of time for the party to run
candidates until the educational program has shown some results.
Followups to a.p.l.
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| 18 |
Re: Drugs And Crime: A New Approach
mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes,
(missing the entire point of my post):
> kebarnes@msuvx1.memst.edu wrote:
>
> |Given that:
>
> |1. The trade in illegal drugs is responsible for
> |much of the crime which afflicts our nation.
>
> There is much evidence that it is the fact that the drugs are illegal, not
> the drugs themselves that have caused the violence. Witness prohibition
> and the violence that surrounded the trade in alcohol.
No joke.
> |2. People who want drugs (particularly people who
> |are predisposed to addiction) will find a way to get
> |them, whether or not they are legally available.
>
> This is suppossed to be an argument for keeping drugs illegal?
No,_you_jumped to_that_conclusion. It's actually an argument as
to how to accomplish the societal good of discouraging drug use
without violating individual rights.
> |3. Despite current law enforcement efforts, drugs
> |are readily available to those who want them.
>
> This is suppossed to be an argument for keeping drugs illegal?
No. _You_missed the point. The point is, the "War On Drugs"
is a failure, and is counterproductive.
> |4. Addiction to drugs, boh legal and illegal, is
> |responsible for a significant drain on the productive
> |resources of our country, and this occurs in a variety
> |of ways, from the cocaine-addicted babies who are
> |unable to learn, to the spread of disease among
> |addicts, to the tragic consequences of alcohol abuse
> |and tobacco smoking.
>
> The crack baby scenario has been thouroughly discredited. It
> just so happens that the symptoms seen in the crack babies are
> identical to fetal alcohol syndrome. And the mothers who admitted
> to taking crack also admitted to drinking heavily during pregnancy.
>
> In this country people are free to be stupid if they want to.
But, they are not free to be stupid and injure other people.
Admittedly, the fetal right-to-life is outside the scope of
this discussion. However, it's ridiculous to assert, as you
apparently do, that cocaine has_no effect_on the developing
fetal nervous system. Caffiene and nicotine have fetal effects
too, why should cocaine be any exception?
> |5. A general economic principle of government is
> |that whatever is subsidized you get more of, and
> |whatever is taxed you get less of. To be most
> |effective in confronting the nation's drug problem,
> |some way must be found to utilize these additional
> |powers of government to make drug dealing and drug use
> |less attractive.
>
> So make the drugs legal, tax them and use the tax money to fund a program
> to tell people how studid drugs are. It has worked for the legal drugs.
If you had read my article before writing your knee-jerk response
you would have seen that this is exactly what I advocated.
> |While this country's current efforts to combat
> |legal drugs have succeeded in some respects, (there is
> |a greater awareness of the health consequences of
> |smoking, and designated-driver programs have helped
> |reduce drunk driving, for example), the same cannot be
> |said for the "war" on illegal drugs. There remains a
> |core group of illegal drug users which support
> |international networks of smugglers, pushers, growers,
> |processors, kingpins, and gangsters. These networks
> |and their "marketing activities," which include drive-
> |by shootings, corrupting law enforcement authorities,
> |and smuggling weapons, are directly or indirectly
> |responsible for a large proportion of the crimes
> |committed in our country every day.
>
> Each and every one of these problems is a direct result of the
> drug trade being illegal.
No shit, Sherlock.
[...]
> |Clearly, illegal drugs and rising crime are
> |linked. It takes only a moment's reflection to
> |recognize how they are linked. The link is money. As
> |with this country's failed effort to prohibit alcohol
> |consumption, a black market has been created, in which
> |greedy local monopolies, like the gangsters of a
> |bygone era, have profited enormously from their
> |illegal trade. The victims of this trade include not
> |only the innocent people unfortunate enough to be
> |caught in the crossfire, but, I would argue, the drug
> |users themselves.
>
> A great argument for making drugs legal.
Thank you. How could you have missed the point so utterly?
What_have_you been smoking?
> |Here then is my proposal:
>
> |1. Possession and use of all presently illegal
> |drugs is decriminalized, but buying and selling them
> |remains illegal. 'Potheads' can grow their own
> |marijuana (as many already do today), other drug users
> |can legally import their poison of choice as long as
> |they pay the tariffs, and a barter economy of drug
> |experimenters develops.
>
> Your solution has done nothing to eliminate the violence in
> the drug trade. BTW, how is someone going to import a drug
> if buying it is illegal. I think you need to think your solution
> through a little more thouroughly.
Obviously, importers will not be buying drugs in the U.S., under
U.S. jurisdiction. Use your remaining brain cells.
> |2. Because of the barter economy which supplies
> |the drug users, the black market profits that have so
> |enriched the drug lords dwindle. If these drugs can
> |be obtained for 'free' or next to nothing, why buy
> |them? Nevertheless, there will be those who will seek
> |to sell these "noncommercial" drugs even at relatively
> |low prices. Therefore,
>
> You have failed to indicate how these drugs can be obtained for
> free or next to nothing. You have stated that the sale of them
> is illegal.
O.K., I'll spell it out for you. "Barter economy" means that
drug users will be permitted to grow or synthesize chemically
anything they choose, or to buy it outside the U.S. and bring
it in, if it won't grow here. They will also be permitted to
trade with other drug users for drugs other than the ones they
themselves grow or manufacture. They will not, however be able
to legally sell their drugs for money. Both manufacture and
importation of noncommercial drugs will be taxed, to discourage
their use. "This is your brain on drugs. Any questions?"
> |3. Law enforcement activity is concentrated on
> |those individuals who continue to buy and sell, and
> |also on the crimes committed by drug users too poor to
> |afford even low prices. But here is where the
> |strategy begins to differentiate between the drug
> |dealers, the victimizers, and the drug users, their
> |victims.
>
> In most cities, this is already the strategy. It has already
> failed and is dragging the rest of us down with it.
Pardon me, but possession/use of these drugs is still a crime!
You cannot analogize the rates at which drug users would seek
treatment, and the comparative ease with which it could be
made available today, when these drugs are illegal to possess/use,
with what it would be were they_not_illegal to possess/use.
Decriminalizing possession and use makes treatment_much_easier.
Drug dealers are exploiting the weaknesses of those persons who
are prone to addiction, and as such, the drug users should be
left alone, not thrown in prison along with their victimizers.
Drug_dealers_are the criminals, and should be treated as such.
Drug addiction does not absolve you of responsiblity for your
criminal actions, however.
> |4. Upon arrest for_any_crime,_suspects are
> |permitted to choose whether or not they will undergo a
> |drug test. Those who choose to cooperate are informed
> |that upon conviction for the crime they are accused
> |of, if they are found to be a drug user, they will be
> |institutionalized until they are clean, and only then
> |will they begin to serve their sentence. If they
> |choose to cooperate and are already drug-free, they
> |can begin to serve their sentence right away. Those
> |who choose not to undergo the drug test and are
> |convicted face stiffer fines and serve longer
> |sentences.
>
> This sounds a hell of a lot like self incrimination. Which is
> unconstitutional. If drug use is legal in your scheme, why should
> the presence of drugs in anyones system influence the penalty they
> receive? Much too big brotherish for my tastes.
The drug test of an arrested suspect is voluntary, not coerced,
and does not therefore constitute violation of Amendment V.
Those convicted who are drug users, as evidenced by the test,
are in need of treatment for their problem. Institutionalization
of these adddicted criminals is, I would argue, the best way to
help them straighten out. If they refuse the test and are convicted,
their sentence can be appropriately harsher, since they, unlike the
addict, have no "excuse" for their crimes.
> |5. Institutionalization of drug using criminals
> |serves several purposes:
>
> |Drug using criminals (and this includes drunk
> |and/or 'stoned' drivers) are separated from their
> |sources of supply, thus reducing the total number of
> |drug users in society at large, and consequently
> |decreasing the demand for drugs on the street, putting
> |more of the remaining drug dealers out of business.
>
> Why should drug using criminals be treated any different from
> other criminals, you have already stated that drug use is legal.
>
> Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
Why not? My objective is to discourage drug use_and_criminal
behavior. If fewer criminals do drugs out of fear of getting a
harsher sentence if they are convicted, why is that not a good
thing? If fewer drug dealers (who are still criminals, BTW)
can find victims, why is that not a good thing? If fewer drug
users, such as drunks, 'potheads,' etc., commit crimes out of
fear of being cut off from their sources of supply, why is that
not a good thing?
I'm certainly willing to debate my position.
You have to read it carefully though.
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Alias phone number wanted
What is the phone number for Alias?
A toll-free number is preferred, if available.
Thanks
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cboesel@diablo.uu.holonet.net | Then what's the opposite of Progress?
+1.510.980.1958(pager) | What else, Congress.
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Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks
>In article <1qkcok$s9i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, ci946@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (John K. Gever) writes:
>|>
>|> Does anybody reading this group have an actual, honest-to-God
>|> experience with violent crime in the backcountry to tell about?
>|>
It was around 1969 in the Shenandoah Valley near Woodstock, Virginia. Me,
my wife, a friend, his wife, and his 2 kids were hiking in a totally
desolate mountain area. All of a sudden, large rocks began raining down
on us. Looking up, we saw at least 3 punks gleefully letting loose rocks
from what was an obvious stash. They were a couple hundred feet above us.
Meanwhile, the women and kids were screaming and running for cover and the
punks were shrieking with laughter. Me and my friend yelled for them to
knock it off. They responded that we should "Get f***ed!". Me and my
friend drew our pistols and fired a couple of times into the trees above
their heads. They ran. With no more 3-5 pound rocks coming at our heads,
we proceeded on our journey.
Sorry, but me and my friend saw no need to let it evolve to a more
"violent" level than we were already experiencing. I guess we should
have tried harder to understand and cope with the anger that society
had instilled in them and was driving them to do such things. Guess
that's a cross I'll have to bear.
Brad
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Re: A question about 120VAC outlet wiring..
In article <1993Apr14.172145.27458@ecsvax.uncecs.edu>,
crisp@ecsvax.uncecs.edu (Russ Crisp) wrote:
>
> Hello
> I'm considering modernizing some old wiring in my home, and
> I need a little advice on outlet wiring. Several outlets
> are the old 'two prong' type, without the ground. Naturally,
> the wire feeding these outlets is 12/2, WITHOUT the ground
> wire. I noticed at the fusebox that some circuits have the
> 12/2 with ground, and that on these circuits, the ground
> wire was tied to the same bus as the neutral (white) wire.
>
> SO.. Here's my question. It seems to me that I'd have the
> same electrical circuit if I hooked the neutral[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Da jumper from the neutral
> over to the ground screw on new 'three prong' grounding outlets.
> What's wrong with my reasoning here?
First, it will not pass a National Electrical code inspection.
Secondly, The neutral wire is current carrying and the ground wire
shouldn't be, or only during a fault condition.
The reason the neutral and ground are tied together in the panel is the
tranformer on the power pole has a grounded center-tap secondary, with the
grounded center-tap the neutral. This gives 120v to neutral(ground) from
each side of the transformer and 240v across the transformer. So in effect
the neutral and ground should be at the same potential.
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Michigan Technological University
School of Technology
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Re: SMARTDRV AND DBLSPACE
In a recent article rcaldrn@med.miami.edu (Richard Calderon) writes:
>I just received a Gateway 486/33 with Windows and Dos 6.0. I ran it a few times
>with no apparent problems. I decided to give double Space a try. After
>compressing the drive, with no problems, I decided to load windows. It took
>1 minute 45 Seconds to load after dblspace, 17 seconds before dblspace. I
>tinkered a little with the machine and noticed an error message saying
>Smartdrive 4.0 cannot work with Dblspace.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not unreasonable, since the SMARTDRV packaged with DOS 6 is version 4.1.
Make sure that all your drivers (HIMEM, EMM386, SMARTDRV) are being
executed from the DOS directory.
Loss of the cache provided by SMARTDRV could be your problem; if not,
I don't know what might cause the startup delay. My testbed for DBLSPACE
(which has a *very* minimal amount of data on the disk so that I don't
eat up too much time as I install and uninstall DBLSPACE) boots in
about 20 seconds from the "Starting MS-DOS" herald to the end of the
AUTOEXEC.BAT execution. I don't have handy a system with a more
realistic volume of data to time.
Joe Morris / MITRE
| 2 |
Re: Rangers name Keenan coach
clarinews@clarinet.com (UPI) writes in clari.sports.hockey:
> NEW YORK (UPI) -- Mike Keenan, whose NHL coaching history
>has been to wear out his welcome despite an impressive penchant for
>winning, has come to the city that embraces victors above all else.
Well, I could become a fan ... (-;
Seriously, this news coming since Thursday has effectively robbed the
Islanders and the Devils of any airtime on sports talk shows almost
everywhere that I've sampled ... in fact, the playoffs almost don't
exist now. )-; Ranger fans calling in to WFAN or to New York One's
midnight sports talk were in a mix of fury over this season and near-
orgasm over Keenan's hiring. (Summarizing: Keenan is a winner and
will give the Broadway Bums 'da business' in pursuing the next Cup
chase ...)
> The Chicago Blackhawks cut their last tie with Keenan when
>he was forced out as general manager in November. He had given up
>Chicago's coaching duties a year ago and his thirst for the power
>of a GM now increases the pressure on beleaguered Rangers GM Neil
>Smith.
This will be an interesting combination to watch ... Keenan has been
paid enough money to put up and shut up and just be a coach, but his
advice on any player moves will be listened to closely. A lot of big
player moves will happen --- remember that Keenan got rid of Denis
Savard. The country club days are over ...
> ``When Keenan left Chicago I couldn't help but think about
>him as our coach,'' Smith said. ``There was an indication he would
>be taken off the market. I feared that and couldn't let that happen.''
If Paramount had given Smith an earlier sign of support and offered
Keenan the big money to put-up-and-shut-up back in January, the
Rangers might not be heading for golf now ...
> Keenan, 43, takes on a demoralized team that offers him a
>chance to fashion yet another of his reclamation projects -- at the
>highest salary ever commanded by an NHL coach. The Rangers -- owned
>by Gulf & Western -- have bestowed upon Keenan an unprecedented $3
>million, four-year deal,
> ``I've known Mike a long time,'' Messier said. ``We've won two
>Canada Cups together. He's been to the finals three times. Maybe we
>miss just one more element to win the Stanley Cup. I don't think he's
>the same person he was 10 years ago or even five years ago. I think he
>has changed and bettered himself with experience.''
One of Keenan's first statements was a reaffirmation that Mark Messier
will be the team's captain.
> The timing of the move gives the Rangers' new coach 2 1-2
>months to prepare for the NHL draft (June 26), and Neil Smith may
>not back off the their trade-happy pattern.
By then, Smith might have some bargains on Keenan's advice ... like
maybe unloading Phil Bourque for Tie Domi ... (-;
gld
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Je me souviens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Gary L. Dare
> gld@columbia.EDU GO Winnipeg Jets GO!!!
> gld@cunixc.BITNET Selanne + Domi ==> Stanley
| 10 |
Re: 1993 NL East Champion PHILLIES
Robert C Hite writes
> Here are the projected lineups, benches, rotation and bullpen for
> the 1993 National League East Champion Philadelphia Phillies:
I think the only Phillies in effect here are Philly Blunts. Of course, if this
all becomes true, I'll be the first to smoke one myself.
--
David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993
*-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------*
***"THE RAP IS AN ART EP" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.***
*------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------*
| 9 |
26 Apr 93 God's Promise in Matthew 5:6
Blessed are those
who hunger and thirst
for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Matthew 5:6 (NIV)
| 19 |
Re: VGA 640x400 graphics mode
dutc0006@student.tc.umn.edu writes in article <C5G7qB.BMp@news2.cis.umn.edu>:
> >
> >Some VESA bios's support this mode (0x100). And *any* VGA should be able to
> >support this (640x480 by 256 colors) since it only requires 256,000 bytes.
> >My 8514/a VESA TSR supports this; it's the only VESA mode by card can support
> >due to 8514/a restrictions. (A WD/Paradise)
> >
> >--
> >I am not responsible for anything I do or say -- I'm just an opinion.
> > Robert J.C. Kyanko (rob@rjck.UUCP)
>
> Ahh no. Possibly you punched in the wrong numbers on your
> calculator. 256 color modes take a byte per pixel so 640 time 480 is
> 307,200 which is 300k to be exact. 640x400x256 only takes 250k but I
> don't think it is a BIOS mode. I wouldn't bet that all VGA cards can do
> that either. If a VGA card has 512k I bet it can do both 640x400 and
> 640x480. That by definition is SVGA, though not very high SVGA.
>
Yes, I did punch in the wrong numbers (working too many late nites). I
intended on stating 640x400 is 256,000 bytes. It's not in the bios, just my
VESA TSR.
--
I am not responsible for anything I do or say -- I'm just an opinion.
Robert J.C. Kyanko (rob@rjck.UUCP)
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Re: New to Motorcycles...
In article <mdennie.735397939@beryllium>, mdennie@xerox.com (Matt Dennie) writes:
|> In <121755@netnews.upenn.edu> sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) writes:
|>
|> >In article <13612@news.duke.edu> infante@acpub.duke.edu (Andrew Infante) writes:
|> >:>Curtis JAckson pens...
|> >:>
|> >:>"MSF course...$140"
|> >:
|> >:Shyah!
|> >:
|> >:The one here only costs $35!
|> >:
|> >:(Izzat a deal or what?! :)
|>
|> >They are free in Philadelphia.... :-)
|>
|> Who pays for these cheapie MSF deals? Are your states subsidizing them?
here they are $25 for ERC and $50 for MSF. and no
the state doesn't subsidize ours at all. we do.
$1 for every motorcycle endorsed license.
laz
| 8 |
Re: Standard Colormaps
In article <1rjdk8INNcnh@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>, jgealow@mtl.mit.edu (Jeffrey C. Gealow) writes:
> I'm working on an X11R5 application and have concerns regarding
> standard colormaps.
>
> The X11R5 documentation says: "Usually, a window manager creates
> these colormaps." I wonder what window manager the writer had
> in mind. Neither twm or mwm seem to create standard colormaps.
Standard colormaps were spec'd with the intention that window managers
would make them available. This doesn't mean that every window manager
author in the world immediately dropped everything they were doing and
implemented this at top priority.
The ESGE server we ship makes the XA_RGB_BEST_MAP available at
startup. It doesn't wait for window managers to do it.
> Of course, one can use xstdcmap to create standard colormaps.
> However, xstdcmap doesn't seem to try very hard to avoid
> conflicts with the default colormap. When I use standard
> colormaps created by xstdcmap, the rest of my display goes black.
> So it seems as if use of standard colormaps causes the very
> problem standard colormaps are intended to avoid. Perhaps
> if every application used standard colormaps, things would
> be wonderful. But not many applications seem to use
> standard colormaps.
Does your hardware have only one CLUT? Since standard colormaps
typically devour all 256 entries, there is no way it can avoid
displacing the entire default colormap if your hardware has only one
CLUT.
I don't believe standard colormaps are intended to aboid possible
colormap flashing between clients using the default coilormap. Rather,
colormap flashing will be avoided between two clients that use the
same standard colormap. An example would be two clients that need a
full color range would both use XA_RGB_BEST_MAP (or whatever it's
called under X11R5).
If you are trying to avoid colormap flashing with the default
colormap, your best bet is to try to load all the colors you use into
that colormap. If you can't do that, then you'll get flashing on a one
hw CLUT framebuffer.
Now if your window manager used the same standard colormap as your
client, this flashing could also be avoided. Perhaps some window
managers have command line options for selecting standard colormaps?
--
-paul pmartz@dsd.es.com
Evans & Sutherland
| 5 |
Re: WACO burning
In <1r90ub$jiq@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aj359@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Christopher C. Morton) writes:
|I saw in the "Cleveland Plain Dealer" this morning a report that the CEV
|crew threw CS *CANNISTERS* into the Davidian house. I KNOW from
|personal experience that burning type devices start fires. I certainly
|put out enough of them in the pine forests of Ft. Benning in the summer
|of '80. I'd like to know if they really threw burning CS grenades.
It has been reported that the Davidians were using straw to baricade the
windows and to provide insulation. With all that straw around, I would be
very surprised if the CS cannisters did not start a fire.
--
Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
| 18 |
Re: Paint jobs in the UK
In article 735397301@zen.sys.uea.ac.uk, mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>lisa@alex.com (Lisa Rowlands) writes:
>
>>Can anyone recommend a good place for reasonably priced bike paint jobs,
>>preferably but not essentially in the London area.
>
>Try Dream Machine, 0602 736615. I've seen a few examples of their
>work and it looks pretty good. They're in the midlands though...
>
Dream machine quality ain't what it used to be
Kinetic Art did some great paint jobs on Bimotas. Don't know if they are still
around.
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# DoD#226 GSXR1100L #
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Keeper of the GSXR1100 list.
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For Sale: 88 Toyota Supra
1988 Toyota Supra, Fully loaded automatic.
Maroon color with leather interior.
Alpine stereo system with CD changer.
Alpine car alarm
90,000 miles, great condition, one owner.
Have to leave country in June.
Asking $9,000 o.b.o.
Please call (310) 212 - 5376 and ask for Cary.
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Computing and Information Services Columbia Business School
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Re: Israeli Expansion-lust
In a previous article, hasan@McRCIM.McGill.EDU (M. Hasan AlHafez) says:
>So the wars of 1948, 1956, 1967, 1968 (Karama), 1978, and 1982 were
>all started by Arabs.
The wars of 1948, 1956, 1967, 1978 were definitely started by the Arabs.
The war in 1982 was instigated by the Arabs who continually murdered
Israeli children with their rocket attacks. Israel was only trying to
stop this.
Last what the heck are you talking about with "1968 (Karama)"? There was
no war in 1968!
Steve
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