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things are rewiring at that level and the sense of self is being somehow pulled out of all of that you know and in such a way that even if you go back to like location 2 | loc2 | 18 |
i didnt like it but somewhere in that timeframe i just lost all concern for for speaking and i lost any need to prepare right come out of the management consulting world where we had dry runs of endless powerpoint presentations you know timed right | loc3 | 19 |
but after the storm is gone i can go back to the calmness and enjoyable ness and | tfw | 22 |
i feel like really just im in layer one i think when im busy | lay1 | 25 |
sometimes i think maybe that is like a layer four glimpse | lay4 | 28 |
awareness knowingness | lay3 | 27 |
in location 4 participants reported no sense of | loc4 | 20 |
like it just appears in the whole space versus coming from me or from the center | lay2 | 26 |
between location three | loc3 | 19 |
layer three is really like joyous | lay3 | 27 |
that divine love joy | loc3lay3 | 10 |
doesnt feel like it has an ending feels bigger than the house | lay3 | 27 |
like i might have been location two or something and then just like glimpse | loc2 | 18 |
up to date location nine | loc5+ | 16 |
everything being fully loved | loc3 | 19 |
this further deepens and increases their immersion in the present moment | loc2 | 18 |
then the fullness that you mentioned from experiences of layer three | lay3 | 27 |
a finder cannot feel merged with an outside force like god if s he is experiencing nondual perception because the person would not have a sense of anything existing outside of him or herself to merge with | loc3 | 19 |
the mind has a gravity to it in location 1 which usually means that subjective experience defaults to mental activity when a finder is not actively sinking in to deeper layers | loc1lay1 | 0 |
its not necessarily because its temporary and because the reference point is remaining at layer one um its kind of its not necessarily reflecting on and deepening into the sense of actually being that all pervading presence even though that is your subjective experience if i ask you about it yeah | lay1 | 25 |
i think having introspect is a bit more i had some i was getting married in may this year so i had some resistance to the idea of progressing beyond layer two or maybe layer three because i felt that it would be doing a disservice to my partner to go into marriage without experiencing love | loc4lay1 | 12 |
its kind of like a shallow experience of nonduality | lay2 | 26 |
there was just one thing i wanted to say its interesting listening to the way youre speaking because youll the way youre phrasing your experience by saying theres no me or i disappear or you know theres no self there is actually relative to the reference point of your ordinary sense of self so if you stabilize in layer three and really have that be your sense of self its theres more of a tendency to just say well am you know this kind of all pervading field of presence | lay3 | 27 |
layer three standpoint | lay3 | 27 |
up through layer three and that location three experience which is where you get such ready access | loc1lay3 | 2 |
layer one that you have greatly reduced selfreflexive thought story and past future | lay1 | 25 |
they theres such an immediacy of presence of in the moment ness that takes over in location for that you would not necessarily have the top end location | loc4 | 20 |
joy love and the divine as indicatorsjoy is another common indicator that is used as feedback by some in locations 2 and 3 | loc3 | 19 |
and you actually had that experience very energetically | nfw | 21 |
and when theres that increased activity its kind of covariate with all of that social stuff right and so theres not a desire to you know theres a desire to not have people around because they dont want the individualized sense of self to trigger and all of the emotional stuff around it and it sort of in a way drags them in the wrong direction from a fundamental wellbeing standpoint now conversely if youve been in it since childhood what weve seen are indications that these these same brain structures that develop an individualized sense of self and ordinary people actually develop a non individualized sense of self and a more fundamental wellbeing oriented sense of self right so they can actually be more active just like they would be and someone whos in fundamental wellbeing but that activity is actually you know varied with fundamental wellbeing itself and if you then suppress that activity in some point either with neurofeedback or with brain stimulation or something like that it actually drives them into an individualized sense of self more and they hate it and so its the same brain region but being used completely different ways and we think its just what you know the brain accepted as sort of normal during that developmental process growing up and so youre in a very unique situation because of that you know theres not a huge amount of work thats been done on people that you know that more or less have been in fundamental wellbeing most or all of their life | tfw | 22 |
and for most people that are in fundamental well being because most people arent in location four or later or the furthest highest possible reaches of location three where or location two | tfw | 22 |
spaciousness and emptiness and thoughts and emotions | lay2 | 26 |
religious | loc3 | 19 |
an example of one potential reason relates to personal love for ones child | loc3 | 19 |
when you remember and theres presence which of which of these two things feels more like the case | lay3 | 27 |
should i just focus like only on layer two for like a week or two or and then its like trying to because maybe im trying to do too many things sometimes | lay2 | 26 |
cosmos appears or its just that eternal existence | lay4 | 28 |
everything just collapses down | loc4 | 20 |
relying on lists and notes | loc4lay1 | 12 |
location one of layer two | loc1lay2 | 1 |
lots of energy | lay3 | 27 |
will there be a is there when theres a when theres a trigger and you go down | lay1 | 25 |
its more about spatial spaciousness than emptiness | lay2 | 26 |
the full presence | lay3 | 27 |
okayness | tfw | 22 |
to me that would have been an obscure sounding address very recently but based on your work i would say that for the first time in my life hey ive got an address up here it was always general delivery up until this point | loc3 | 19 |
its it sounds like what youre experiencing there is is a is an awareness or an ability to perceive layer one and the sense of self that it generates from wherever youre at | lay1 | 25 |
layer four and sort of more primed and ready when we make it to that content | lay4 | 28 |
but certainly very much in the direction of location three so something that you could use to sink back into and bias your system in the direction of location three | loc3 | 19 |
first transition | lay1 | 25 |
most people spend their entire lives pursuing various directions that they think are most likely to give them what they want the underlying motivation for all of this comes from the narrativeself and its stories when it diminishes or goes away their motivation structure dramatically changesup to that point a tremendous amount of wiring in their brain has | loc4 | 20 |
sense of light | loc3 | 19 |
this state is difficult to stabilize and will usually either fall back into layer 3 or pull someones system into location 4 where subjective experience naturally centers in layer 4 | loc3lay4 | 11 |
i would have to say probably not its just that i think that the mind gets so active in trying to kind of like very quickly come up with things to say or stuff like that that it can feel like | loc1lay1 | 0 |
normal person just talking in normal way and then can function very well | lay1 | 25 |
where i look for for peace as well | lay3 | 27 |
theres a sense of agency that returns | loc2 | 18 |
so in layer two i dont have any positive nor negative emotion is like very neutral | lay2 | 26 |
so i think you probably said that in your document but in that experience that sounded like location four probably layer two | loc4lay2 | 13 |
the sense of perfection experienced in location 4 convinced the process happening within this finder that it did not matter where someone was in life or consciousness it seemed like everything truly was and could only be perfect and that this would be true regardless of whether she remained in location 4 or returned to an earlier location | loc4 | 20 |
the looker or seer self and what is being seen whats outside of the self | loc1 | 17 |
a feeling that you are the thinker im not sure whether what youre describing is really shifting your identity or whether youre just shifting the focus of your attention to be you know almost entirely occupied with thought or with you know speaking personality aspects and so on so that shift that were looking for if its you know true fluidity to layer one that would mean not only is your attention occupied with the contents of layer one but also the sense of self has moved into layer one like you are the personality you are the thinker you are the one speaking you know generating those | lay1 | 25 |
i was reading a book describing someones experience at the time that was a type of unity experience um i feel instantly when um when i finished that book that or midway that book that something happened that i experienced a stronger sense of oneness which was the focus of the book and i also experienced the absence of the boundary and that lasted for a few months until from march to september i think | loc2 | 18 |
pervading sort of fullness presence | lay3 | 27 |
just joy | loc3 | 19 |
and it can be all kinds of stuff for people and you know location four | loc4 | 20 |
location two layer three you might find openings especially through that joy over to location three and you can see if that makes sense | loc2lay3 | 6 |
layer four characteristics | lay4 | 28 |
background sense that things were | loc2 | 18 |
so that you know thats there you know i have excellent night vision you know people will go camping and if we go for a hike and a trail and a dark trail people will have flashlights id be like shut those flashlights off you know and they cant see but i can see its like i can see better without the flashlights on and then a few you know sort of you know issues have been like i would be sitting and the the visual field would say half of my box on the zoom call right would start to fill with light and be just wavy and so half was you know normal and half was was light filled and so that happened a few times so ive had sort of those quirky things dont experience the luminosity i think you mentioned that on the call i kind of see a halo effect but its not the way you youve spoken about things being luminous | loc5+ | 16 |
its very rare its not one of those things that one runs across very often i mean i would be surprised if we run across 100 of them probably at this point out of 10000 people that are in fundamental wellbeing its | tfw | 22 |
sense of self | loc1 | 17 |
in location 1 layer 4 the clamor of commerce and creativity coexists with a serene acceptance of lifes impermanence | loc1lay4 | 3 |
so at those moments you know realizing am that that empty untouchable um now um yeah uh emptiness | lay2 | 26 |
in its own universe | loc4lay2 | 13 |
but if someone has gone to location two ordinarily their default is not going to be location two layer one its probably layer two | loc2 | 18 |
the dominant quality of layer 2 is the sense of allcontaining spaciousness emptiness expansiveness space nothingness openness and so on | loc2lay2 | 5 |
or even location four | loc4 | 20 |
location four because i mean like fluidity is the name of the game | loc4 | 20 |
i can see either mean i can feel something i guess i would describe it as magical its like a magical mysterious | loc3 | 19 |
layer 1 is not the default layer that people transition to or experience in location 3 however it can remainquite accessible | loc3lay1 | 8 |
so theres the sort of presence and the emptiness and the spaciousness presence and the spaciousness at the same time um and thats really great | lay2 | 26 |
non dual perspective | loc2 | 18 |
problems are really creating triggers and triggers are really increasing the volume so to speak or the energy that layer one has in the system | lay1 | 25 |
to location 4 finders the words that come out of their mouth and the words that come from the person they are speaking with all seem to originate from the same source | loc4 | 20 |
possibility of description from nothing | lay4 | 28 |
highest rate of suicide | nfw | 21 |
war zones that occur in the spiritual and religious communities | loc2lay3 | 6 |
when it when its more intense its more like love | loc3 | 19 |
martinbeen built up in the direction of those desires and the motivations behind them | loc4 | 20 |
individualized sense of self had been dissolved | loc5+ | 16 |
layer three disappearing and so any sense of presence and richness and aliveness | lay3 | 27 |
experiencing layer two | lay2 | 26 |
as you probably know are best of love and ascension um also unprovoked happiness but thats also good for location for | loc4 | 20 |
heightened | loc1 | 17 |
being nondual | loc2 | 18 |
i had to relearn to use my body my mind my thinking my heart | nfw | 21 |
they may still be working on environmental causes and can be very passionate about helping others reach fundamental wellbeing | tfwc | 23 |
location 4 finders simply have no interest in investing significant amounts of time doing that | loc4 | 20 |
some people will experience layer 3 as light using descriptions such as the clear light of being or consciousness or awareness or divinity when this is the case one way it is perceived is as an allpervading unmoving luminous field that is both the source of experience and which experiences everything | loc3lay3 | 10 |