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how did the laptop come about? who made the first laptop?

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:Ah, so how did you figure out which are 'most commonly associated' or are you basing it upon what _you yourself associate with?

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If you want to add the Torah Cosmos reference to Torah please wait to see the result of the poll in Wikipedia:Votes for deletion. And remember that Wikipedia is not a place for original research.

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==Press Release== I see you contributed to the creation of the press release. Might you be willing to follow these steps, and send off the press release?

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:I replied to your comment on my talk page. I will not reply to anything else you have to say, nor will I edit any of the Anarchism articles again. It seems that the only way I can avoid getting in this kind of conflict is to edit math articles, where ignorant people just ask for clarification of obscure passages on talk pages instead of accusing knowledgeable people of misrepresentation. Sadly, even in Science topics (in modern physics and biology especially) this kind of thing happens, too. — 17:09, 2004 Mar 5 (UTC) -

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` * It looks like someone took a copy of ``What links here`` and linked back to every single one. Here's a list of things which don't really have to do with batteries (apart from the fact that some of them use batteries, which isn't really noteworthy), and which we might be able safely discard. Any objections? :Electronics: Accumulator | Transducer | Transistor | Vacuum tube | Telephone switchboard | Diode | Diode bridge | Arc lamp | Flash | Flashlight | Light bulb | Light meter | Lighting | Magneto | Remote control | Fan | Superconductivity | Clockwork | Round-the-pole flying | Static Random Access Memory | Explosively pumped flux compression generator :Chemicals and elements: Adenosine triphosphate (at least...) :Automotive: Hybrid electric vehicle (redirects to Hybrid car) | IBM Convertible | Diesel cycle : Other: Viking program | BASF | Motorola | Operation Bojinka (??) | Philippine Airlines Flight 434 | Raytheon Corporation | Game Boy | Insulin pump | Naval mine | Steadicam | Cellophane (?????) | Mars Pathfinder | Segway HT : `

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remember to go to bed (and so should I)

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____ fuck off you little asshole. If you want to talk to me as a human start showing some fear the way humans act around other humans, because if you continue your beligerant campaign, i will cross another boundary and begin off-site recruitmehnt. I can escalate till I am rhetorically nuclear with the whole goddamed mob of you if that is where you think you will find what you want. You had better start expressing some interest in the concerns presented to you or your credibility as either a document or a community will be about that of a pile of shit.

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Clearly four (or three if you're going to toss the first one) isn't enough for you.

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How are Metals Different from Non-Matals?

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: I Listed this, as it looked like the single sentences for structures and advantages/disadvantages could probably be expanded, and explained, rather than that there are particular grammatical or other errors in the text. I don't know of more material that belongs here, but it seemed likely, when I looked at it, that there was some, but I don't know enough about the subject to add anything, so added it to cleanup, so if there was anything useful to add, someone who knows about the subject can add it.

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` Hey Seth, after my other edits yesterday, I was thinking that an epistemology section would be good. I'd say if you're up for adding that, or a metaphysics section, go for it. I think providing a brief, coherent, NPOV summary of any aspect of Nietzsche is a difficult task. I also find it somewhat ridiculous that, with my not all that extensive knowledge of Nietzsche, I'm apparently one of Wikipedia's ``Nietzsche experts``. But maybe working together we can actually mold the article into something good. `

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` ==Britain== :When the Romans took control of the largest island they called their possessions Britannia. The earlier celtic inhabitants became known as Britons and the island as Britain. Some centuries after the Romans had left, some of these Britons migrated to the near continent. About 1000 years later (i.e. by the late Middle Ages) the region they had moved to was known as Brittany, and to distinguish the island the term Great Britain was used (compare the French names Bretagne and Grande Bretagne). After the fall of the Roman Empire, the name largely fell into abeyance and tended to be used in an historical sense. Geoffrey of Monmouth used Britannia major and Britannia minor to refer to the island of Britain and Brittany respectively. Which name fell into abeyance - Great Britain? Geoffrey of monmouth comes before Roman departure + some centuries + 1000 years, so his use of Britannia major (= Great Britain) is the first use of it in the article, not a revival or historical use of a name ``in abeyance``. `

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` ==admin actions== Has anyone pointed this out to you? Wikipedia:Requests for review of admin actions. Irismeister is claiming that you've abused your admin powers, but, crucially I don't think he understands the difference between blanking (which anyone can do) and deleting. People have already said that if he's saying you blanked things from your talk page (which is what I'm under the impression you did) then it's not anything to do with ``admin actions`` and doesn't belong on that page, so I'd leave a note there to say that's what you did, if I were you. ) | `

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Hello John, welcome to Wikipedia. You might find these links helpful: How to edit a page, How to write a great article, Naming conventions, Manual of Style. You should read our policies at some point too. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump, or ask me on . I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! *You can find lots more information, including open tasks and daily tips, at the community portal. *You can sign your name using three tildes, like this: ~~~. If you use four, you can add a datestamp as well. *Before saving a page, it's a good idea to use the Show preview button to review your edits. Also, consider writing a summary for each edit. Again, welcome! P. S. Thanks for your note at the New user log.

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:::Bah, I can beat that record easily; I recently got into a brief edit war over whether or not Mosaic (disambiguation) should have {{msg:disambig}} at the bottom. Much lamer than this. At least in the case of this capitalization issue the underlying cause of the conflict was meaningful. )

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::I told you that spreadsheet was a work in progress ;) ::Fox Terriers: yes, I think the pages should be at Fox Terrier (Smooth) and Fox Terrier (Wire). I don't know why I did otherwise, just an error on my part. I agree with Steven we should keep to the name most commonly used by the registries where possible. ::Corgis: I think we should stick with the current [[Corgi (Type)]]. I know it's not the way they are usually described in conversation, but it is the way all the main registries list them. The search will still find them if redirects are in place. ::Dachshunds: I remember my reasoning on this one. It was an even split with the FCI, AKC and CKC grouping the types together and the ANKC, KC(UK) and NZKC listing the six types separately. As the Dachshund page was already in place I decided not to mess with it for now. We could eventually do the same as with Corgi - with a generic article at Dachshund and separate articles for each of the six types. But my worry is that the articles would simply be too similar. ::All this is just my opinion of course

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Sorry, looking again i realized you were probably running a bot & asked John Kenney, who was puzzled by why it didn't work, but fixed it. Sorry for the disturbance. And the forgotten sig! 05:07, 2004 Mar 20 (UTC)

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The author of the Class D section, imo, seems to be confusing Class D amplifiers with Digital to Analog converters (DACs) - the only reason that they are considered digital is that the output devices are only ever in one of two discrete states (saturation/cut off). There is never any conversion of the input into numbers, and most of the distortion is due to the modulation, not the quantisation of the signal. That is only the opinion of an undergraduate EE student though, if anyone feels more qualified to respond, please do. -Stuart (March 22, 2004)

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A number of people have pointed out that they have been offered Irish breakfasts abroad. The grossly POV second piece in Hotel adn other fare should be removed. Why couldn't it be left neutral and factual? | PS - about the kidneys, I have been to hundreds of places and never once have kidneys been available. I don't think one recipe including them should change the article. |

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== re: grazingship == has come clean with some truths regarding . You may want to reconsider your Quickpoll vote.

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` :::Aristotle himself called the Spartans a monarchy numerous times in the Politics. I don't understand why you keep trying to call them a republic. Furthermore, your comments above don't seem any improvement to me on the language in the article now, which is very clear that republics come in many shapes and sizes (in fact, limiting them all to two so-called models seems more restrictive to me than it should be). Use of the words ``genus`` and ``species``, as I've remarked to you before, is a misapplication of taxonomy to political science. It may be useful for purposes of casual analogy, but we cannot resort to it in an encyclopedia article, or we will confuse and mislead our readers. You have yet to demonstrate that any authority refers to a government such as that current in the United Kingdom as a republic. As noted in this paragraph, Aristotle himself describes Sparta as a monarchy one in which the monarch held weakened powers, yes, but fundamentally part of the ``monarchy`` category. Your ideas have the merit of being an unusual take on republics which has given all of us cause to consider political terminology, but I am afraid your quotations, though well cited, do not appear to me to compel us to accept your two model theory of republics it's original research, something Wikipedia is not. `

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==To Do== 1) Creationism (theology) needs punctuation correction. Move all sentence-ending punctuation inside quotation marks.

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===== John, I can't add to the Nazism and socialism talk page because it's not sectioned and too long for my browser. The point is that there is a debate on whether or not nazism is a form of socialism and the only way to write an article on the matter is to outline both sides of the debate. Taking out the competing debating points, in fact, makes the article NPOV by presenting the topic as if there is one right answer. And I'm sorry, it's just ahistorical to say that conservatives opposed Nazism. Some did, but most didn't, most notably von Papen. The Nazis didn't win an electoral majority. The only way they were able to take power was with support from the centre and right.

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` No, the stuff at things walking out is different from my previous site, although I did have it on there in a subfolder. I don't believe I ever had anything from the design scheme (traces of your fingernails) on the front page of my old site. (By the way, there is a ``real`` index on the site with links to such gems as a random-Javascript-text-runner Rock Paper Scissors game, and a very meager Star Trek reviews section. AIM me for more info if you'd like; my AIM name is the same as my Wikipedia name.) Also, thank you for the birthday greetings. - `

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Some observers cite this attack as the opening salvo of the Second Cold War, this one pitting the Islamic world against the Western-style democracies, especially the United States and Israel.

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In Sikhism the word Amrit means Ambrosial nectar. It is also a word used for the Holy Water used in the Baptism ceremony by the Sikhs. It is believed that this word is derived from the Sanskrit word 'Amrita'. ==External Links== * MSN Encarta {msg:stub}

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:Yeti is absolutely right. The theory of the Gdansk as the Free City throuout the history, was invented by German nationalists in 19-th century. Despite the autonomy inside the Commonwealth of Poland, people of Gdansk were proud of their Kingdom. On the other hand, the real reconciliation between Gdansk people and Prussia happenned around 1830.

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::Why does the Encyclopaedia Britannica uses the term occupied in their Israel article, then?

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== I learned so much thank to you == I love Alanis and her work since her first song. I'd like to thank everybody who wrote this because it's really well done. I would have helped if it was no so complete... I will try anyway... Maryjane

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` Greetings. Again, my thanks for your fine job editing the Santos-Dumont article.(I sent an email earlier.) I hope that we can at last move past the ``who flew first`` issue. It overshadows so much of what SD accomplished. It would be truly ironic if it overshadowed his entry in wikipedia as well. Best regards, `

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Hi all of your changes on the DB page are much appreciated, but make sure you do not delete the interwiki links!! You had accidentally removed the one to the Dutch page about Disco Bay.

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` Hi there, you have been listed as ``inactive`` on Wikipedia:Administrators. Please remove the notice when it is out of date. Cheers, `

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` :::In addition, I think it would be more difficult for someone to bring themselves to return to the ``officially recognized`` version, since it offers less information than the ``officially or unofficially`` version does. — `

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` Yeah, as I said, I didn't mean to intervene in the middle of your edits, and I'm sorry about that. As to right and left wing, I agree the terms should be used with care. But calling the Freikorps ``right wing`` and Lenin and the Communists ``left wing`` is not a particularly careless use of the terms, as far as I am aware. If you can find a source that calls the Spartacists reactionary, or discusses the Freikorps as left liberals, I'd love to see it. You'll note that I didn't reinsert the description of the Nazis themselves as right wing. But I think that saying there are similarities between Nazism and Stalinism, say, is not to deny that Nazism is in some vague sense a movement ``of the right`` and Stalinism a movement ``of the left.`` At any rate, ``what was seen at the time as`` is an incredibly awkward phrasing - it's simply bad writing. As to other changes, things like saying ``this is how the Nazis were different from other Socialists`` is completely POV, in that it says that the Nazis were socialists. And you can't just cite laws as supporting a point without explaining them at all. And it would be nice if you could actually cite scholars who discuss similarities between Nazism and socialism, rather than vague ``supporters`` of such arguments (at the very least, those opposed to such comparisons can cite ``the organized socialist movement`` rather easily, although I would agree that there are somewhat similar problems on that side of the debate.) I also didn't revert many of your wording changes, because I think that some of them actually do do a good job of making the article less POV. `

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:At last, I can read it. Well done.

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` ::Anome, I wish there was a restraining order here at Wikipedia. Zw needs a leash! I have a problem with Zw's assassin-style terrorism in relation to me. Zw seems to act in ways like Zw wants me wiped out from Wikipedia except a bad memory in Zw's opinion. It is in my esteemed opinion that I am not the singular cause of Zw's mad-on. If you were to see the material of Zw's interest by Zw's contributions, it wouldn't confuse you in the slightest why Zw's acting this way. I am uninterested in Zw's zealous pursuits along those subjective, topical lines. It appears that Zw is confused in this respect, and if not, believes I am still to be held punishable for my contributions to Zw's interest-oriented articles, that Zw believes are errors without redemption for some reason. I didn't know this would happen and didn't want it to happen, so as you can surmise, Anome, I didn't contribute to those articles with any malicious intent, especially in Zw's direction. I didn't even know this Zw character existed until I was assaulted by Zw with some kind of Puritannical zeal. I felt like I was on trial! Regardless, this is not Zw's site! I will not fight Zw for the usage of this site! To Zw, it is like; ``This town is only big enough for one of us, that's going to have to be me!`` I am completely uninterested in what Zw has to say when I am left alone by Zw. I do not think of Zw until I come back to see my edits on rv by Zw 'out-of-the-blue'. It seems to be psychotically abusive OCD behaviour and I will not tolerate it, especially when I don't egg Zw on by returning the B.S. `

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Spikey - I came here to the talk page to point out the same thing: I see sadism and masochism in non-sexual terms often.

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`Do you believe it is appropriate to say that the Lumpsucker's pelvic fins ... ``have evolved into adhesive discs`` as opposed to that they were created with adhesive discs? I don't believe in evolution. `

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===Earth Summit=== Sorry for any problem with marking the edits as minor and I will review the guidelines. Part of the problem was that I had made a series of edits, each of which perhaps could have been considered as minor, however the cumulative effect was not. I expect to continue to work on this and related pages, as the UNCED process had been my life for almost three years leading into the conference, with a focus on information, communications & participation - a role that continued through the series of UN conferences of the past decade. Btw, I am planning to share information about Wikipedia and the Earth Summit, Agenda 21, etc. at the current session of the Commission on Sustainable Development in the hopes both of spreading the word about Wikipedia within the NGO community, and of eliciting wiki contributions to topics relating to sustainable development, so you may want to keep an eye on Earth Summit over the next couple of weeks.

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Hi. I haven't used one of the Talk pages before, so I hope I'm doing this correctly. I looked at your recent Gettysburg edits and I have some issues with a few of them. [Overall, you've put in a number of good things, although I wonder where is the tipping point between a concise encyclopedia entry and a lengthier article.] I believe the ethic of this effort is for me to make the mods and then we can discuss. OK? I'll do the edits later today. Hal [hlj]

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:Ditto. It's nice to see you've returned. )

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I *do* hold the copyright to the text posted. However, if this is not acceptable to you, I will write an entirely new text for the page.

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::You'd best cool it with the reverts, or your IP number will be blocked.

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`The contents of this article should probably be moved to List of fictional music groups, rather than the latter having a redirect to this article. An encyclopedia article entitled Fictional music groups should primarily discuss what a fictional music group is, which seems rather superfluous, and then possibly offer links to such a list. In current Wikipedia practice, such lists tend to start with ``List of...`` in order to separate them from more conventional encyclopedia articles, a compromise advocated by these list-keepers to fend off the Wiki population who don't believe such lists belong in an encyclopedia in the first place. `

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` Hey Sonja ) Take a look at Talk:Queer, I've done the sidebar for you. I hope you like it, and you can tweak it to your heart's content - the syntax is pretty straightforward. Though have a look at [], the usage of the word ``queer`` is somewhat discouraged. `

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` :Your wish is my command. I wouldn't say it was ``the`` genesis; but it is correct and I felt germane given the local (Papua) subject. Have a look at History_of_Indonesia and verify with external link somebody else had already included http://www.gimonca.com/sejarah/sejarah.shtml I would also like to suggest that Wik purchase and reads ``The West New Guinea debacle`` ISBN 90 6718 193 5; which may help his understanding.`

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`What does ``Rank: 21st`` mean? It sounds like monarch Top Trumps. `

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: Your definitions support what I was saying. Please explain how they do not.

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Greetings. I love the Wikistats collection... A question about updating the language list: Could the language selection be changed? Scottish and Manx don't seem to be active. Swahili and Urdu are more active, and, as major world languages, merit a place on the list (if only to encourage awareness/contributors). 10:36, 2004 Mar 15 (UTC)

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:::::Can you direct us to some hard figures which tell us that it wasn't a (ethnically) predominantly Polish village? Ethnicity has to be separated from that unquestionable fact, that it was a Polish village in the meaning that Poland was given (i.e. de jure, although not accepted by the Weimar Republic–the Third Reich) and exercised (i.e. de facto) souvereignty before the invasion. I have accepted the assumption of its ethnic Polishness based on data for larger rural districts in West Prussia. But also as a means to circumvent the conflict between people who feel strongly about the annexation's validity or invalidity respectively. I have no personal interest in anything else than a result that doesn't provoke edits all the time. Would you be more happy with the following? ::::::She was born during World War II in what Nazi Germany considered the village Rahmel 30 kilometers north-west of Danzig, in Reichsgau Danzig-West Prussia, that however by the Poles was seen as the village Rumia, 25 kilometers west of Gdingen, in that part of Poland that was occupied and unilaterally annexed to Germany after the Polish Campaign 1939. :::::-

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* Keep and expand. |

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:Seriously, add or edit a paragraph. It's easy to edit the Wiki one paragraph at a time. You've presented a good bit of information here, why not put SOME of that into the REAL page instead of the talk page.

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Why should it be merged?

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4/28/04: Tom Ruen here. I edited the IRV page today, added a second for special cases including rules to break ties. I'm not sure if it is appropriate for the level of article, but it definitely was a vital point missing from the existing article. That is, tie-breaking consideration is vital, but I also included optional rules for quickly eliminating many weak candidates on the first round. Some may object to this approach, although in reality it is very difficult for different elimination rules to affect the winner. You can always imagine examples where a weak first round candidate wins, but usually it takes core support AND Compromise appeal to win and few candidates survive merely on compromise appeal. Examples include: Round 1) A=38%, BD=29%, CD=16%, D=9%, ED=8% Round 2) A=38%, BD=29%, D=17%, CD=16% Round 3) A=38%, D=33%, BD=29% Round 4) D=62%, A=38% Here a 4th place, 9% supported candidate wins IRV on a cascade of transfer votes, always avoiding last place. Imagined elections like this are actually the biggest fear from people happy with plurality, that some voters can offer 2,3,4,5 votes to affect the winner while others only get 1 vote. The reality is that IRV retains the power of the two-party system to thrive because when there are 3 strong parties, voters can't safely vote for a favorite if that favorite isn't also likely to be ranked highly on votes supporting the candidate they hope to eliminate. First round rules that immediately eliminate a bunch of weak candidates at once help reduce fears that IRV helps weak parties. -

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== Thanks for advise == Thanks you for your advice about how to use picture.

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::Russo is not apriopriate, since it was not war against Russia, i believe ;)

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:looks good! so what do you do for a day job Alteripse?

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Adam, newly appreciative of your Election Archive, I wonder if you can find stats on Zimbabwe, 1980 ?

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Is a summary of the gospels the topic of the Jesus as the Messiah Page?.

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` ==bhagavadgita== hmmm. always wondered who did that page. very nice job. ``I would really like to make the Gita page, especially, a much more coherent one.`` i've been to your user page and i would say that, over time, the Bhagavadgita page will become more coherent ;-) bobert_wi`

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` Rewrote the entire page due to some inaccuracies (such as Jessup's attribution of ``Mr. B`` and ``Jemi``) and a general mocking POV. Sure, it's pure nonsense, but we still have to hold to NPOV. `

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=============================================== I have made some year layout proposals which would affect a significant proportion of the year pages: an example of proposed style is 1850. It is detailed on my talk page. If no-one flags where I have put the discussion on my talk page that they object in a month I will start making everything consistent. It may take some time...

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::::I sent you an email through wikipedia. If you've disabled your email in your wikipedia preferences, please send me an email message with your email address through wikipedia...I've just now enabled it for that purpose.

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, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC) :Yes, they feared democracy (which was natural, seeing how they were from the rich and privileged layers of society). But they feared feudalism and absolute monarchy even more. 15:57

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` Matthew Stannard, an expert of the English language, who constantly criticizes my use of English, interprets in his latest edit ``capable human`` as a ``human deemed to have the capabilities of humanity``. In what dictionary did you find such definition? The word ``capable`` has much more exact meaning, what is widely known to every educated person, in 1913 public domain Webster the first definition is ``Possessing legal power or capacity; as, a man capable of making a contract, or a will``. The capable person must have enough mental powers and ability to think to make a contract or will, what this means is legally very well determined what this means. Old people who are going to make a will are sometimes asked questions like who is the prime minister of his/her country, to find out whether he/she is mentally able, and carefully checked that every sentence is what he/she really wants. The other definition is ``Possessing adequate power; qualified; able; fully competent; as, a capable instructor; a capable judge; a mind capable of nice investigations``, but these are mostly the meanings for specific cases (like instructor or judge, not ordinary human). But not ``deemed to have the capabilities of humanity``. `

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:I've pushed it back to 1984 now. The term does seem to originate with the Aryan Nations.

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:Excellent! Yes, go to ToL and find where I have Cephalopods listed and add Gastropods. You can post to Wikipedia:Announcements and Wikipedia:Village Pump to let folks know it's up and running and to find fellow gastropod enthusiasts. -

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::Levzur has been at this in one form or another since December. He is simply trying to make us give up and go away. Zviad Gamsakhurdia, for instance, has already been protected at least six times over the past few months and Levzur has resumed attacking it within hours or days at the most after protection is lifted. Protection will achieve nothing except blocking anyone from editing the articles, which is apparently his aim. We can't leave articles protected permanently, which is what would be necessary if we were solely reliant on protection; I'd suggest blocking his IP addresses instead.

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hey rich WUZZUP? My mom loves you... SO HAVE FUN HUH!!! THANK YOU AND GOOD NIGHT!

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re: (revert. Thanks, but last changes make no distinction bwtween those culturally affected by Birmingham, and Nick Mason, who wasn't.) Hmmm, I'm not sure if it's so important to be splitting hairs on a list at Birmingham on this. Wouldn't this concern be something to mention on Nick Mason instead? If you disagree, I'd be interested to hear your reasoning. -)

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::I also wonder if you've looked at , where Daeron accuses me of plagiarism because I put some material he'd written, previously reverted, back into the article with some changes; and possibly of anti-semitism because he perceives my position with respect to a debate at Talk:Jerusalem as contradictory to my position in this article. So he's the one with the superior commitment to NPOV? (I'd add that I won't dispute that his knowledge of this region is clearly superior to that of any of the rest of us - many of my own disputes with his version of the article have come out of a critical eye on facts he himself provides, disputing the conclusions he draws from the facts rather than the facts themselves).

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` Hi. Please disambiguate ``Java`` on your user page. For example, Java. Thanks. `

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::Yes, much better. Personally I'd like to have a clear understanding of what happens when you don't implement a valid solution. For example, with the dining philosophers, it's clear that deadlock occurs when they all take, say, their left forks and then wait for the other – it is then easy to work out the solution for yourself. With this article, the solution is outlined well, but I don't think that it is immediately clear why it is correct to someone who is only vaguely familiar with semaphores. Thanks.  –

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I just changed the logotype by uploading ATI_Logo_0903.png If I should rather have deleted existing ATI logo.png and replaced it with the new image, say so (or just fix it). As it is, there are two ATi logo images on Wikipedia, one of which no longer matches the official one (and it had that ugly placement of (r) anyway).

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` :::Actually, John, I didn't complain about the color at all. -) I do think, though, that if someone feels a color is unattractive, saying ``we needed to choose a unique color and we did`` isn't really addressing the issue although I think you're right that infoboxes are generally ugly. Their usefulness needs to outweigh their aesthetic drawbacks, and I think yours has, in this case. Theresa is free to disagree with me, of course. Aggressive editing (hmm, that sounds hostile....is it supposed to? Bold editing, though, is encouraged, and probably amounts to the same thing) sounds intriguingly vague. And I'm not trying to bog you down (what do you mean by ``science kook``? Hopefully not me) if Irismeister wants to answer my question about interpolations, I think that makes the most sense. You'd indicated that you were going to edit the article for Dr. Jipa and I wanted to make sure we were being careful with verifiable and sourced information, but perhaps your comment indicates you've changed your mind? Anyhow, I think you're right on the color. `

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`Sodium, While I generally like this well fleshed-out article I must point out some inconsistencies and present my reservations and remarks. ``For lay people or for academics`` - this issue has not been tackled properly by Wikipedia community yet. It seems to be really hard to strike a balance between these two approaches. Obviously I am looking at this article from the professional's perspective and I feel the article is lacking something. There is another thing, in the last decades medicine has changed considerably. Evidence-based medicine, large international studies and meta-analyses pave the way for everyday practice. We no longer take medical standards and medical knowledge for granted it must be well researched and put under scrutiny of double-blind randomised studies. A statement is never complete without references from respected peer-reviewed medical journals. Considering this health science articles seem incomplete or even sound like the medical knowledge of the past. # ``present in cigarettes`` - better ``in cigarette smoke`` or better still - ``in tobacco smoke`` # ``lung cancer`` - ``lung neoplasm`` - ``lung tumour`` these can not always be used interchangably and can be misleading sometimes # ``cells lining the bronchi`` - bronchial mucous membrane (consider changing in some places ``cells`` into ``tissue``) # ``patient here would start to cough up blood-stained material`` -it is unclear because of cancer or abscess # histology of lung neoplasms asbestos is carcinogenic in case of mesothelioma mainly AFAIR # treatment section needs more material # all in all this article needs some rewrite and probably should fork into several other articles about specific histological types of neoplasms - they are diferrent in many respects. A good job but let's combine our efforts to make it even better. Kpjas `

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` :::Utah ``War`` is a misnomer; it's more like the ``Utah standoff``. AFAIK, there were no casualties resulting from the few engagements between the Mormons and the US Army. War crime? That's getting too ananchronistic, don't you think? MMM is not a war crime. Lee was convicted in civilian court, not a courts-martial. —| `

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`**Puritan yes – dumb no, not except for in your rhetoric above. Since I was 17 and started full-time apprenticeship, I admit to have studied the foreign language of the country where I live in any way resembling school. ``Intellectual`` - just the right accusation to throw at me! Common Americans being more ignorant of their country's foreign politics than the electorates of other democracies, that's a fact. The arguments are very well presented by plenty of others. There is no need to repeat those. I added what I hold for the most important, i.e. that of Wikipedia's credibility (outside of the US). #`

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::::I've got to say, before I begin, that I've been trying to stay out of this spat, and that if anything, I've been in agreement with Julie. That said, I'm with AlexR on this one. This suggestion that the numbers are about equal with transwomen is, I must say, new to me. From both personal experience and extensive reading, just about everything I have ever encountered on the subject has suggested that the ratio is about 1:1. The same would be reflected in those I have known personally over the years.

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==Hellfire Club== Sorry R, my knowledge of things related to the Hellfire Club is shockingly minimal.

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Here we have you admitting a lower cost than you will allow in the article: Make the reliability point in the article if you will. But it seems you are not being consistent.

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Your are great. Have you thought about advertising them some more, such as on the scripting requests page, and possibly moving them into the Wikipedia namespace?

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` ::It's not the wording or whether it's okay, so much as the question of whether the choice is really supposed to be random, and if it's not then the article shouldn't say that it is. When a contestant chooses 50:50 in the American version, Regis says, ``Computer, please take away two answers, leaving one wrong answer and the correct one.`` So I'm not certain it's really random, so I'm going to remove that one word from the article. `

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Please don't call people names. And your inclusion of all of those pictures on the Laura Bush page is excessive. '''

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::This is rather unfortunate, since I'm feeling like we just got to a point where we agree with each other. By the time you get back, I'll be gone, pretty much for the summer. I'm going to look around for some hardcore denier websites (although I hate to give them the traffic) and post them here soon, although it's shaping up to be a busy weekend. As for making a seperate revisionist page, I was very much in favour of it, but didn't have the time to write it before it got deleted. There had been a revert war, and people pretty much decided that it would be better just to cover both here. I would encourage you to write one on your user page and getting approval before posting it, otherwise some of the hardliners are likely to get all angsty on you. Good luck!

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`Postgres After returning to Berkeley, Stonebraker started a post-Ingres project to address the problems with the relational database model that had become increasing clear during the early 1980s. Primary among these was the relational model's inability to understand ``types``, combination of simpler data that make up a single unit. Today we typically refer to these as objects. ``...the problems with the relational database model`` - I do not believe this was the case, there was no problem other than ignorance of the fundamentals. ``Primary among these was the relational model's inability to understand ``types``...`` - complete rubbish, should be removed. Replace with this para: == Postgres == After returning to Berkeley, Stonebraker started a post-Ingres project to address limitations of existing database management implementations.`

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`I was sad to see that you're going to be away for the next week, because as you're coming back, I will be leaving for the summer after that. I want you to know that despite our disagreements, I really appreciate what you're trying to do. It's difficult for most people to write a truly NPOV article, which is why what Wikipedia does is so great. By having hundreds of thousands of authors, almost every point of view is represented, and people are forced to compromise, usually resulting in pure truth. Unfortunately, the Holocaust is one of the few subjects where this doesn't work. It is a subject which should be purely history. The Nazis kept spectacular notes on everything that they did, and it should be spectacularly easy to say ``this here is exactly what happened. We know, because of the monthly reports written by Himmler.`` Unfortunately, Holocaust deniers continually show up, most of whom have no interest in truth or even compromise. They tend to wipe entire paragraphs, and replace them with their own propaganda. This is just who they are. They cannot provide evidence as convincing a page from Hitler's desk ordering the final solution to ``The Jewish Problem`` so they don't listen or compromise and eventually leave in a bad mood. At the same time, I can't exactly claim to be NPOV either. It is fairly clear from what I have already written here that I hold Holocaust deniers in no high esteem. Quite frankly, I find their so called ``beliefs`` to be an attack against me and my people. It is, to me, like someone claiming there was never racial segregation in the United States, and that even if there was, the slave owners didn't know their slaves were being beaten. It would be an absolutely ridiculous claim, and yet people get away with it in reference to the Jews. It is good, therefore, that someone has shown up who is interested in this issue, but who has no real stake in the argument. I would caution you, however, against being overly zealous in your changes. Holocaust deniers are, by and large, anti-Semitic. My personal favourite group believes that Jews are shape shifting lizards from Mars who are infiltrating the world governments in order to enslave humanity. And yes, this group has a following. The ``Holocaust Revisionist`` lines and the ``Jewish persecution was wrong`` lines are simply ways of attracting new followers who can then be trained to believe just about anything once they've got their foot in the door. The people running these groups are solely occupied with promoting anti-Semitism in the hopes that some day they can finish off what Hitler started. I encourage you to write carefully about what they believe, but please don't be fooled by them. I wish you the best of luck. `

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`Thanks Rb, I have indeed read that, the whole point of me defending these two main points.. nick mason and places of interest is that i DO believe them to be extremely relevent to the page, Andy is definately ``bold in updating pages`` and thats great but without other peoples hard work to update there wouldn't be any updating to do, infact this place wopuld be rather empty. Andy is very bold in deleting work that in my opinion shouldn't be deleted and especially without discussion first. I have suggested a vote because to get mediation etc really is a last resort. Nick `

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Romanian is very different from Dalmatian, so they probably developed in distant regions. This suggests that Romanians could not have come from the western part of the Balkans (including Albania). - I think that this argument should be entirely removed as it definitelly is not argument against theory of migration from south, but barely from Dalmatia (nobody claims that Vlachs arrived from Dalmatia). It is just irrelevant. On the same basis Dalamiatian could be replaced by Italian.

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e.g. the visits to Nazi concentration camps in WWII?

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Is this battle the same as Battle of Kadesh ? 07:50, 2004 Jun 1 (UTC)

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lol Rita Guerra is a prominent person? this must be some kind of joke

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`===Plautus satire's irresponsible comments are those of a crackpot.=== Plautus satire's comments are idiotic nonsense. I have refereed papers for five mathematics journals, and my published papers have been refereed (and some unpublished ones that I submitted). Obviously history is consulted; obviously proof-checking is not the main point of refereeing; obviously novel ideas are examined in the context of accepted notions. To say that mathematics is not a science but a ``language`` ignores the fact that hundreds of journals are devoted to publishing new discoveries in mathematics. Obviously in judging publication-worthiness one considers how new discoveries may be relevant to potential future research; one considers esthetics (which for most mathematicians is the main motive for doing mathematics or for learning mathematics). Whence this loony idea that there is no need to consult history? Do you not see sections on how a new discovery fits into the historical development of the subject in many research papers in mathematics? Plautus satire's comments are those of a crackpot. `

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` ==Brianism== I do not know if you are watching Brianism Talk, but it is fair that you should see this: An Open Letter from Rex Mundi, co-founder of Brianism. In view of this, I have changed my vote to Delete. Link has apparently been ``e-mailed to participants in the discussion``, but not posted on WP by the writer - which is why I am doing it. I also do not see how the writer would have all the e-mail addresses involved. Kind regards, `

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== Ballet == Hi, I'd like to ask you to contribute to the Glossary of ballet terms. It is so poor now.

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Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Nice job on Danderyd and Djursholm. Good job also on the uploaded images Image:Djursholmsslott.png and Image:Djursholmskapell.png, however photographs should be uploaded in JPEG format in order to conserve space. Re-uploading them in the correct format will reduce them to about a tenth of their current size. If you have any general questions you should also feel free to visit the Village pump. Cheers!

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Please stop vandalising or you will be blocked from Wikipedia. This is the discussion page for an anonymous user who has not created an account yet or who does not use it. We therefore have to use the numerical IP address to identify him/her. Such an IP address can be shared by several users. If you are an anonymous user and feel that irrelevant comments have been directed at you, please create an account or log in to avoid future confusion with other anonymous users.

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