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5 | Goodbye, Papa. It's hard to die. But the stars on the beach were just. No, the starfish on the beach were the stars I read. | goodbye, papa. it's hard to die. but the stars on the beach were just. no, the starfish on the beach were the stars i read. | |
6 | didn't have enough ESP. I was, when I was standing on top of the PA speakers on those columns, I was trying to do a solo like, you know, arena rock. | didn't have enough esp. i was, when i was standing on top of the pa speakers on those columns, i was trying to do a solo like, you know, arena rock. | |
7 | one last time test the audience to see if I could jump into it and I failed. You know, and I stood there for a long time and I know they couldn't read my mind, but I was trying to like with my eyes trying to tell them, don't hurt me. Can't you tell? I mean, haven't you read enough bitching? We're not rock stars, you know, we're not trying to be. Although we did display a lot of rock star. They immediately just started grabbing for me and trying to rip my flesh off for souvenirs. You know, oh, I have a piece of Kurt's forearm. Well, that's, I think that's a reaction. | one last time test the audience to see if i could jump into it and i failed. you know, and i stood there for a long time and i know they couldn't read my mind, but i was trying to like with my eyes trying to tell them, don't hurt me. can't you tell? i mean, haven't you read enough bitching? we're not rock stars, you know, we're not trying to be. although we did display a lot of rock star. they immediately just started grabbing for me and trying to rip my flesh off for souvenirs. you know, oh, i have a piece of kurt's forearm. well, that's, i think that's a reaction. | |
8 | from the people that work with us to try to save me when I do stupid things like that. They're never prepared for it. It wasn't like before the show I said I'm gonna do that. I was really, for a long time, obviously I was contemplating whether I should do it or not, but I just wanted to try to do, because it used to be so much fun in clubs reminiscing about the old days. I used to be able to jump out in the audience and then the audience would carry me all the way to the back and roll around all the way to the back and it was really fun. It was like a celebration. Everyone's jumping. These kids just, some of them understand that. They're not used to that, so it's all they know how to do is to tear people apart. Phil fifteen feet, but it's not really fifteen feet. It's about six feet. | from the people that work with us to try to save me when i do stupid things like that. they're never prepared for it. it wasn't like before the show i said i'm gonna do that. i was really, for a long time, obviously i was contemplating whether i should do it or not, but i just wanted to try to do, because it used to be so much fun in clubs reminiscing about the old days. i used to be able to jump out in the audience and then the audience would carry me all the way to the back and roll around all the way to the back and it was really fun. it was like a celebration. everyone's jumping. these kids just, some of them understand that. they're not used to that, so it's all they know how to do is to tear people apart. phil fifteen feet, but it's not really fifteen feet. it's about six feet. | |
9 | Yeah, probably. I think so. My father one time. | yeah, probably. i think so. my father one time. | |
10 | A few years ago, he wrote me a letter and he said, I would like, in one way or another, he said, you know, if it wasn't for. | a few years ago, he wrote me a letter and he said, i would like, in one way or another, he said, you know, if it wasn't for. | |
11 | you know, living in an oppressed town, you know, you wouldn't have had, you wouldn't have had the incentive to really go out and, and prove something to anyone, and he likes to take credit for that, for bringing me in, you know, bringing me up in a small town, but no, I'm sure I would have looked for punk rock, and it just would have been easier for me, and I would have gotten into it at an earlier age, you know, and I just would have, you know, I mean, I just think there's a breed of people who really honestly like music, and there aren't very many of them, really, you know, and those usually, those are the people who usually become musicians, you know, and it doesn't really matter what environment you grow up in. | you know, living in an oppressed town, you know, you wouldn't have had, you wouldn't have had the incentive to really go out and, and prove something to anyone, and he likes to take credit for that, for bringing me in, you know, bringing me up in a small town, but no, i'm sure i would have looked for punk rock, and it just would have been easier for me, and i would have gotten into it at an earlier age, you know, and i just would have, you know, i mean, i just think there's a breed of people who really honestly like music, and there aren't very many of them, really, you know, and those usually, those are the people who usually become musicians, you know, and it doesn't really matter what environment you grow up in. | |
12 | It's just, you know, some environments are more restrictive than others. No, that was about the time. | it's just, you know, some environments are more restrictive than others. no, that was about the time. | |
13 | Yeah, he made a compilation tape for me. I was commuting back and forth between Aberdeen and Monteceno. I was living in Aberdeen, and I was going to school in Monteceno, which is about thirty miles away. | yeah, he made a compilation tape for me. i was commuting back and forth between aberdeen and monteceno. i was living in aberdeen, and i was going to school in monteceno, which is about thirty miles away. | |
14 | I had Buzz in a couple of classes. I had him in an art class, an electronic class, and I remember just hanging out with him. He had a few punk rock magazines, and I would look at them. I was just mesmerized. I was just like, oh, god, what would that sound like? And only one day I convinced him to make me a tape. | i had buzz in a couple of classes. i had him in an art class, an electronic class, and i remember just hanging out with him. he had a few punk rock magazines, and i would look at them. i was just mesmerized. i was just like, oh, god, what would that sound like? and only one day i convinced him to make me a tape. | |
15 | together all the time. You know, we're best friends. She's my best friend. And so when she's playing music, I like to listen to it and maybe suggest some things. And she does the same thing with me, too. And. | together all the time. you know, we're best friends. she's my best friend. and so when she's playing music, i like to listen to it and maybe suggest some things. and she does the same thing with me, too. and. | |
16 | She's just, this was just an opportunity for her to, she came with us and her, and Patty, her drummer came too. It's just a vacation and so this was just a spontaneous thing for them to just make a few demos. | she's just, this was just an opportunity for her to, she came with us and her, and patty, her drummer came too. it's just a vacation and so this was just a spontaneous thing for them to just make a few demos. | |
17 | see what they're gonna do with that arnaldo baptista is that how you pronounce his name. | see what they're gonna do with that arnaldo baptista is that how you pronounce his name. | |
18 | who has a record label called Gassatanker Records, and he was in White Flag. | who has a record label called gassatanker records, and he was in white flag. | |
19 | And he's friends with Red Cross. He's a very nice guy. He has a mustache. | and he's friends with red cross. he's a very nice guy. he has a mustache. | |
20 | And he's a really nice guy, and he sent me a tape of the first two records a few weeks ago, about a month ago, and I really liked it. And he said, if you go to Brazil, you have to say to everybody that this is a great band, and I agree with him. I think this is a very influential and cool band for the time. | and he's a really nice guy, and he sent me a tape of the first two records a few weeks ago, about a month ago, and i really liked it. and he said, if you go to brazil, you have to say to everybody that this is a great band, and i agree with him. i think this is a very influential and cool band for the time. | |
21 | Yeah, oh, definitely. I can hear the rhythm and the influence in the music a lot. I respect them so much. I'm not familiar with them very much because I've just started getting into them, but I think from what I've read about them, they were very revolutionary. I mean, they made their own effects boxes, you know? They made their own fuzz boxes, and they were also really controversial, too, which was they had a lot of guts to be doing stuff like that in the military society that was going on then, and I just think that is so cool. Bye. | yeah, oh, definitely. i can hear the rhythm and the influence in the music a lot. i respect them so much. i'm not familiar with them very much because i've just started getting into them, but i think from what i've read about them, they were very revolutionary. i mean, they made their own effects boxes, you know? they made their own fuzz boxes, and they were also really controversial, too, which was they had a lot of guts to be doing stuff like that in the military society that was going on then, and i just think that is so cool. bye. | |
22 | all-girl Japanese band on tour with us in England. And they've been a favorite of ours for years, and no one really knows who they are in England or anywhere in Europe. And we've taken the Melvins on tour with us. | all-girl japanese band on tour with us in england. and they've been a favorite of ours for years, and no one really knows who they are in england or anywhere in europe. and we've taken the melvins on tour with us. | |
23 | In the future, we hope to take Hall and Jesus Lizard and a bunch of other bands who we like. | in the future, we hope to take hall and jesus lizard and a bunch of other bands who we like. | |
24 | But nothing really exciting happens on tour. People think that the rock star life is so exciting. You play a show. You usually get into the town by the time it's dark, and you sound check, and you don't get to see the city. You play the show, and then you leave the next morning. You go to the hotel room, and you leave, and do the same thing over and over again. It's kind of boring. | but nothing really exciting happens on tour. people think that the rock star life is so exciting. you play a show. you usually get into the town by the time it's dark, and you sound check, and you don't get to see the city. you play the show, and then you leave the next morning. you go to the hotel room, and you leave, and do the same thing over and over again. it's kind of boring. | |
25 | I mean, still, I can't think of anything else I'd rather do. | i mean, still, i can't think of anything else i'd rather do. | |
26 | It's not as excited as everyone thinks. But it's getting harder for me to jump out in the audience now because the crowds are bigger and some of the people don't realize that. | it's not as excited as everyone thinks. but it's getting harder for me to jump out in the audience now because the crowds are bigger and some of the people don't realize that. | |
27 | I don't know what they realize actually, because they're putting their hands in my pockets and trying to steal my money and my wallet, and they're hitting me really hard. | i don't know what they realize actually, because they're putting their hands in my pockets and trying to steal my money and my wallet, and they're hitting me really hard. | |
28 | So, I don't know, after a while I'm probably not going to be able to do it anymore. That's too bad because it's a fun little bonding thing to do with the audience. | so, i don't know, after a while i'm probably not going to be able to do it anymore. that's too bad because it's a fun little bonding thing to do with the audience. | |
29 | that will be recorded on eight-track, go back to the Bleach sound. Because I really like the production of Bleach, and I don't know, I feel kind of weird straying so far away from it. There's definitely going to be some more abrasive songs on the next record. | that will be recorded on eight-track, go back to the bleach sound. because i really like the production of bleach, and i don't know, i feel kind of weird straying so far away from it. there's definitely going to be some more abrasive songs on the next record. | |
30 | this musical is pop music as far as i'm concerned as long as it's good and it's catchy it's pop. | this musical is pop music as far as i'm concerned as long as it's good and it's catchy it's pop. | |
31 | What kind of ugly answer can I give? I think the point that we're trying to put off in the beginning of when we were doing all those interviews when Nevermind was getting really popular was that we were really concerned with the people who wanted to come to see our shows and have a good time. We were. | what kind of ugly answer can i give? i think the point that we're trying to put off in the beginning of when we were doing all those interviews when nevermind was getting really popular was that we were really concerned with the people who wanted to come to see our shows and have a good time. we were. | |
32 | We were afraid that there would be these fringe, mean type of people who don't really like the music. We'd just go to the shows to cause trouble. We didn't want that, you know. And we didn't want to have to have, like, security to, like, beat up on people to keep them in line and stuff. But since we've had the experience and since we've played a bunch of shows like this, there hasn't been any trouble. | we were afraid that there would be these fringe, mean type of people who don't really like the music. we'd just go to the shows to cause trouble. we didn't want that, you know. and we didn't want to have to have, like, security to, like, beat up on people to keep them in line and stuff. but since we've had the experience and since we've played a bunch of shows like this, there hasn't been any trouble. | |
33 | we're relieved of that kind of pressure. So that's the only concern that we really had, but it obviously translated into we hate our audience, you know? Bullshit. Sometimes they don't have any control over that. The kids don't have any control over that. They're being pushed over, you know? So it's not their fault. I've noticed, like, in a lot of places, especially, like, in England and a lot of those festivals in Europe, the bouncers seem to be a lot more accommodating to kids. They're really cautious in not being. making sure that they're not really mean or, you know, abusive to the kids. But in the States, we've run into a lot of problems before. I mean, I've actually gotten in total fistfights with them before and, like, had to be saved by my manager and, you know, and stuff like that because nothing. | we're relieved of that kind of pressure. so that's the only concern that we really had, but it obviously translated into we hate our audience, you know? bullshit. sometimes they don't have any control over that. the kids don't have any control over that. they're being pushed over, you know? so it's not their fault. i've noticed, like, in a lot of places, especially, like, in england and a lot of those festivals in europe, the bouncers seem to be a lot more accommodating to kids. they're really cautious in not being. making sure that they're not really mean or, you know, abusive to the kids. but in the states, we've run into a lot of problems before. i mean, i've actually gotten in total fistfights with them before and, like, had to be saved by my manager and, you know, and stuff like that because nothing. | |
34 | You know, there's nothing worse than seeing some kid getting beat up on just because he got pushed over the side, you know. | you know, there's nothing worse than seeing some kid getting beat up on just because he got pushed over the side, you know. | |
35 | It's too far beyond that now. I mean, it's been going on for so long, there's nothing we can do about it. That issue doesn't even come up. Well, when I said that. | it's too far beyond that now. i mean, it's been going on for so long, there's nothing we can do about it. that issue doesn't even come up. well, when i said that. | |
36 | Like I said, the main reason was to make sure that we could have a good time at live shows, you know? And we just weren't comfortable with it at the time, you know? And now that. | like i said, the main reason was to make sure that we could have a good time at live shows, you know? and we just weren't comfortable with it at the time, you know? and now that. | |
37 | Now that it's been proven to us that there aren't any problems, it shows. | now that it's been proven to us that there aren't any problems, it shows. | |
38 | It doesn't matter. Obviously, people are behaving themselves. Maybe the message got across to them somehow. Maybe all that bitching and complaining that we did may have worked a little bit. I was in the beginning about a year and a half ago. I was completely fed up with the whole thing. I didn't want to be a rock star at all. It was just freaking me out. | it doesn't matter. obviously, people are behaving themselves. maybe the message got across to them somehow. maybe all that bitching and complaining that we did may have worked a little bit. i was in the beginning about a year and a half ago. i was completely fed up with the whole thing. i didn't want to be a rock star at all. it was just freaking me out. | |
39 | we don't want to over practice the new song actually it's a good idea to to play new songs you know to that to see what the vibe is like live but i guess i don't have an explanation why we didn't play more new songs do is uh. and a while ago we got so tired of people bootlegging stuff and we want the new album to be more or less a surprise we don't want anyone to know what the new songs sound like because they'd be bootlegged like that and everyone wouldn't be surprised to hear any new songs uh. i. | we don't want to over practice the new song actually it's a good idea to to play new songs you know to that to see what the vibe is like live but i guess i don't have an explanation why we didn't play more new songs do is uh. and a while ago we got so tired of people bootlegging stuff and we want the new album to be more or less a surprise we don't want anyone to know what the new songs sound like because they'd be bootlegged like that and everyone wouldn't be surprised to hear any new songs uh. i. | |
40 | Who said it was going to be heavier? Fuck, man. What would they know? I think we're going in more of an experimental new wave. | who said it was going to be heavier? fuck, man. what would they know? i think we're going in more of an experimental new wave. | |
41 | type of direction. It's kind of hard to explain. Actually, have you heard the incesticide?. | type of direction. it's kind of hard to explain. actually, have you heard the incesticide?. | |
42 | That's the kind of band we used to be. We used to be more like Gang of Four, New Wave influence, like more experimental with more noise and different effects boxes and stuff. | that's the kind of band we used to be. we used to be more like gang of four, new wave influence, like more experimental with more noise and different effects boxes and stuff. | |
43 | And then we started getting too much into straight-ahead garage grunge music, pretty much what Bleach was like, and then Nevermind was more pop, a little bit more commercial. And now we're kind of reverting back to the first thing, which would sound more like Ancestor Side, just other stuff. We just happened to be really into the idea at the time. It seemed like a really challenging idea at the time because we were playing punk rock underground clubs, and we thought it would be really funny to test that out on those kind of people. They would be able to swallow more of a clean. | and then we started getting too much into straight-ahead garage grunge music, pretty much what bleach was like, and then nevermind was more pop, a little bit more commercial. and now we're kind of reverting back to the first thing, which would sound more like ancestor side, just other stuff. we just happened to be really into the idea at the time. it seemed like a really challenging idea at the time because we were playing punk rock underground clubs, and we thought it would be really funny to test that out on those kind of people. they would be able to swallow more of a clean. | |
44 | you know, sound and see if we can get away with it. Because we love that kind of music. We like a lot of commercial music. It's good. It's old, old commercial stuff we like. | you know, sound and see if we can get away with it. because we love that kind of music. we like a lot of commercial music. it's good. it's old, old commercial stuff we like. | |
45 | It was just something to do. We're pretty much. | it was just something to do. we're pretty much. | |
46 | bored with that phase now because you're really limited, especially when you're a three-piece, because there's not much you can do with three-chord guitar rock. There's Devo, you know, anything. No, no. I think that's one of the most grossest periods of music in history is right around the mid-eightiethies when this crossover metal and punk rock thing started happening where it wasn't cool. | bored with that phase now because you're really limited, especially when you're a three-piece, because there's not much you can do with three-chord guitar rock. there's devo, you know, anything. no, no. i think that's one of the most grossest periods of music in history is right around the mid-eightiethies when this crossover metal and punk rock thing started happening where it wasn't cool. | |
47 | to write songs that had melody in them, total noise, aggression all the time. I just got really sick of that. Is there an ashtray around here somewhere?. | to write songs that had melody in them, total noise, aggression all the time. i just got really sick of that. is there an ashtray around here somewhere?. | |
48 | You know, yeah, it revolves in a circle all the time. You know, everything will always revert back to melody. I mean, because that's the most palatable thing to an ear. | you know, yeah, it revolves in a circle all the time. you know, everything will always revert back to melody. i mean, because that's the most palatable thing to an ear. | |
49 | I mean, already, I mean, obviously, the most popular alternative bands. | i mean, already, i mean, obviously, the most popular alternative bands. | |
50 | on a national commercial scale are more, you know,. | on a national commercial scale are more, you know,. | |
51 | commercial they're more clean you know like like pearl jam and and stuff like that and that's the same thing that happened with with punk rock you know punk rock was really aggressive and raunchy and um those bands got signed to major labels and it didn't do too well the mass media and um so then all these punk rock bands turned into new wave bands exactly what we are we're a new wave band well i hope i i hope. | commercial they're more clean you know like like pearl jam and and stuff like that and that's the same thing that happened with with punk rock you know punk rock was really aggressive and raunchy and um those bands got signed to major labels and it didn't do too well the mass media and um so then all these punk rock bands turned into new wave bands exactly what we are we're a new wave band well i hope i i hope. | |
52 | I don't really like to think of us as just strictly one of those kind of bands who used to be punk rock and then went to a commercial. | i don't really like to think of us as just strictly one of those kind of bands who used to be punk rock and then went to a commercial. | |
53 | uh. option just for for you know. | uh. option just for for you know. | |
54 | financial reasons and be played on the radio it was something that we sincerely wanted to do we really liked the stuff that we were trying to do at the time small way yeah it was more of a test more of a test for us actually to see if we had enough guts to um get away with. | financial reasons and be played on the radio it was something that we sincerely wanted to do we really liked the stuff that we were trying to do at the time small way yeah it was more of a test more of a test for us actually to see if we had enough guts to um get away with. | |
55 | Well, I think the only thing that I was inspired by was Chipmunk's Sing the Beatles album. | well, i think the only thing that i was inspired by was chipmunk's sing the beatles album. | |
56 | It's better than the Beatles. Better than the real McCoy. Sounds nice. Well, that's too bad. That's their problem. | it's better than the beatles. better than the real mccoy. sounds nice. well, that's too bad. that's their problem. | |
57 | What was your question? Oh, yeah, yeah, I can feel it. I can sense it, and at certain times when the house lights come on during certain parts of the song, I can see everyone, especially, like, I think lithium's a good example because when we get into the distortion part, the lights turn on and I can see everybody jump up and down, and I realize that it's not only just the front part that I can see, but the whole audience, and it's great. I mean, there's nothing better than, you know, that much of a capacity of people, you know, in tune with the band and giving off that much energy. It's just like a little club, but one hundred times more. They always sing during lithium, which is kind of neat. | what was your question? oh, yeah, yeah, i can feel it. i can sense it, and at certain times when the house lights come on during certain parts of the song, i can see everyone, especially, like, i think lithium's a good example because when we get into the distortion part, the lights turn on and i can see everybody jump up and down, and i realize that it's not only just the front part that i can see, but the whole audience, and it's great. i mean, there's nothing better than, you know, that much of a capacity of people, you know, in tune with the band and giving off that much energy. it's just like a little club, but one hundred times more. they always sing during lithium, which is kind of neat. | |
58 | It says arena on a lot of the shows on the itinerary, but they're like five,zero, six,zero seat places. We wanted to for sure. I mean, we were determined about a year and a half ago after getting off of the grueling tour that we had that we wanted to play. | it says arena on a lot of the shows on the itinerary, but they're like five,zero, six,zero seat places. we wanted to for sure. i mean, we were determined about a year and a half ago after getting off of the grueling tour that we had that we wanted to play. | |
59 | Well, first of all, we were going to put out a record that would completely, you know. | well, first of all, we were going to put out a record that would completely, you know. | |
60 | ruin our reputation and only a few thousand people from every city would show up. That wasn't the case. And then we realized that because of the production costs to bring our own lights and our own PA and all that stuff, it costs a lot of money and if we were to just play like venues and clubs and stuff, we'd be totally in the hole. We're not nearly as rich as everyone thinks we are. | ruin our reputation and only a few thousand people from every city would show up. that wasn't the case. and then we realized that because of the production costs to bring our own lights and our own pa and all that stuff, it costs a lot of money and if we were to just play like venues and clubs and stuff, we'd be totally in the hole. we're not nearly as rich as everyone thinks we are. | |
61 | You have to try to play as big a place as you can if you're using this kind of production. I mean, we actually have a few, you know, we have a couple mannequins on stage, which is nothing compared to a big inflatable monster, you know, or an Eddie from Iron Maiden. Well, it is an ugly question, but. | you have to try to play as big a place as you can if you're using this kind of production. i mean, we actually have a few, you know, we have a couple mannequins on stage, which is nothing compared to a big inflatable monster, you know, or an eddie from iron maiden. well, it is an ugly question, but. | |
62 | I've had two years to recuperate. Fine, we'd still be doing it, but we've made a point to sleep on the bus as much as possible because buses are kind of expensive, so we're not staying in hotels as much as we would normally, or a lot of other bands would. Yeah, one of those typical. I remember a few years ago, you know, when we were lugging around our own equipment in a van, you know, like five people cooped up in a van with our own equipment, we would see a band with a big bus and go, man, what a bunch of gluttonous bastards, you know? What a waste. Those things must cost hundreds of thousands of dollars a day, you know? And also, I looked into it, and if. Okay, how do I explain this? If we were to stay in a hotel every night, let's say we drove in a van and stayed in a nice hotel every night, it would equal out the same. If we didn't rent a bus and stayed on the bus most of the time, so what's the difference? You know? No, we just love vinyl. I only still buy vinyl. The only CDs I own are CDs that have been given to me. I just love vinyl. It's just something. | i've had two years to recuperate. fine, we'd still be doing it, but we've made a point to sleep on the bus as much as possible because buses are kind of expensive, so we're not staying in hotels as much as we would normally, or a lot of other bands would. yeah, one of those typical. i remember a few years ago, you know, when we were lugging around our own equipment in a van, you know, like five people cooped up in a van with our own equipment, we would see a band with a big bus and go, man, what a bunch of gluttonous bastards, you know? what a waste. those things must cost hundreds of thousands of dollars a day, you know? and also, i looked into it, and if. okay, how do i explain this? if we were to stay in a hotel every night, let's say we drove in a van and stayed in a nice hotel every night, it would equal out the same. if we didn't rent a bus and stayed on the bus most of the time, so what's the difference? you know? no, we just love vinyl. i only still buy vinyl. the only cds i own are cds that have been given to me. i just love vinyl. it's just something. | |
63 | Oh, God. How do you explain something as pure as that? I'm at a loss for words when that subject comes up. A long time ago, when their first cassette came out on K Records. You know, when we took them on tour with us in England, it was weird because obviously, probably ninety percent of the whole audience had never heard of them before. And instantly, they were just taken in by them. They just were, they're almost crying. You know, you could just see everyone just like completely fucking amazed by them, you know. And it's just, I don't know what it is. It's just something that you can't explain. It's something that's really, really sincere and good. Blah, blah, blah, blah. You can't put it in words. Really, really good. | oh, god. how do you explain something as pure as that? i'm at a loss for words when that subject comes up. a long time ago, when their first cassette came out on k records. you know, when we took them on tour with us in england, it was weird because obviously, probably ninety percent of the whole audience had never heard of them before. and instantly, they were just taken in by them. they just were, they're almost crying. you know, you could just see everyone just like completely fucking amazed by them, you know. and it's just, i don't know what it is. it's just something that you can't explain. it's something that's really, really sincere and good. blah, blah, blah, blah. you can't put it in words. really, really good. | |
65 | I don't know. Yeah, it's nothing new. It's been going on for years and years and years, and I don't understand why it's such an issue still. But it seems like when bands do it now, even when we do it, it's so exhausted, you know. I don't know. I personally like to wear dresses, and I wear them around the house sometimes. | i don't know. yeah, it's nothing new. it's been going on for years and years and years, and i don't understand why it's such an issue still. but it seems like when bands do it now, even when we do it, it's so exhausted, you know. i don't know. i personally like to wear dresses, and i wear them around the house sometimes. | |
66 | whatever. I think a lot of bands do it just to show their support for femininity, the female gender. I did it the first time when we played with the Chili Peppers and Pearl Jam, you know? Because at that time I was at the height of freaking out about playing big places, and I was convinced that a lot of people out there in the audience were a lot of macho people that would freak out over it, so I thought it might create a little bit of controversy, you know? But I don't know if it did or not. | whatever. i think a lot of bands do it just to show their support for femininity, the female gender. i did it the first time when we played with the chili peppers and pearl jam, you know? because at that time i was at the height of freaking out about playing big places, and i was convinced that a lot of people out there in the audience were a lot of macho people that would freak out over it, so i thought it might create a little bit of controversy, you know? but i don't know if it did or not. | |
67 | I want to ask me about it. Just some images I've had in my mind for years. It's kind of a way of expressing our views on prejudice. | i want to ask me about it. just some images i've had in my mind for years. it's kind of a way of expressing our views on prejudice. | |
68 | you know and I don't know I just thought it was a bunch of neat images you know I don't know I don't I really don't know and actually we had this this um African-American woman called up our management and was really concerned about it she didn't understand she she said first of all she started off the the call with like saying I consider myself one of the only African-American Nirvana fans you know I think of myself as one of the only you know real true Nirvana fans and I'm really disturbed about this I don't know what they're trying to mean you know they're saying our manager had to like go on this big spiel no no don't worry about it really it's pro ever. | you know and i don't know i just thought it was a bunch of neat images you know i don't know i don't i really don't know and actually we had this this um african-american woman called up our management and was really concerned about it she didn't understand she she said first of all she started off the the call with like saying i consider myself one of the only african-american nirvana fans you know i think of myself as one of the only you know real true nirvana fans and i'm really disturbed about this i don't know what they're trying to mean you know they're saying our manager had to like go on this big spiel no no don't worry about it really it's pro ever. | |
69 | and have always hated their band. I mean, I can consider him a person that I really like. I mean, we've had a few conversations on the phone. I really like him. I think he's a really nice person. I think he really cares. I mean, I don't know. I can't say that now. I didn't like him a lot then, when I was talking shit about him all the time, but now I can appreciate him, you know? I mean, I've realized that, you know, the same people that like our band like their band, so why create some kind of feud over something? I just feel sorry for the kids that have to decide on what they should buy within these next two months, either our record or our concert tickets or Pearl Jam's record, you know? That's a lot of money for kids to shell out all of a sudden. I couldn't have afforded it when I was fifteen or sixteen, you know? So I feel really bad about that. I wish we could have somehow, like, made a deal somehow. Like, we could have put our record out a little bit earlier, and they could have. maybe spaced it out a little bit longer soon or anything. It's not their fault, I'm sure, you know? But it's just. I just feel sorry for the kids that have to, you know. | and have always hated their band. i mean, i can consider him a person that i really like. i mean, we've had a few conversations on the phone. i really like him. i think he's a really nice person. i think he really cares. i mean, i don't know. i can't say that now. i didn't like him a lot then, when i was talking shit about him all the time, but now i can appreciate him, you know? i mean, i've realized that, you know, the same people that like our band like their band, so why create some kind of feud over something? i just feel sorry for the kids that have to decide on what they should buy within these next two months, either our record or our concert tickets or pearl jam's record, you know? that's a lot of money for kids to shell out all of a sudden. i couldn't have afforded it when i was fifteen or sixteen, you know? so i feel really bad about that. i wish we could have somehow, like, made a deal somehow. like, we could have put our record out a little bit earlier, and they could have. maybe spaced it out a little bit longer soon or anything. it's not their fault, i'm sure, you know? but it's just. i just feel sorry for the kids that have to, you know. | |
70 | We're recording in Seattle. And then some of the other ones are taken from a field session that we did about a year ago. No, I don't think we're. It's fine now. I've had a month rest, and I've been babying and gargling Milk of Magnesia. Oh, absolutely. one hundred percent. Well, a lot of bands have gone on tour with us, like Sheldon Knife and Captain America. And the Melvins and Jesus Lizard, Urge Overkill. Bands, I'd love to see them become the top Hot one hundred. Very much. Major labels are signing every. This whole. are all getting signed to major labels. Mudhoney, Urge Overkill. Independent bands don't last more than five years anyhow, so who cares? We'll get some money out of it instead of getting ripped off by SST for five years. You just start writing bad songs. You gotta be prepared for it. Not soon. We don't play brand new songs. Songs that aren't even written yet, all the way. | we're recording in seattle. and then some of the other ones are taken from a field session that we did about a year ago. no, i don't think we're. it's fine now. i've had a month rest, and i've been babying and gargling milk of magnesia. oh, absolutely. one hundred percent. well, a lot of bands have gone on tour with us, like sheldon knife and captain america. and the melvins and jesus lizard, urge overkill. bands, i'd love to see them become the top hot one hundred. very much. major labels are signing every. this whole. are all getting signed to major labels. mudhoney, urge overkill. independent bands don't last more than five years anyhow, so who cares? we'll get some money out of it instead of getting ripped off by sst for five years. you just start writing bad songs. you gotta be prepared for it. not soon. we don't play brand new songs. songs that aren't even written yet, all the way. | |
71 | benefit to raise consciousness of the atrocities in Bosnia-Herzegovina. | benefit to raise consciousness of the atrocities in bosnia-herzegovina. | |
72 | some awful things going on down there. And so we decided to play Benefit. | some awful things going on down there. and so we decided to play benefit. | |
73 | It was just a natural thing for us to do. And having a new child and all the press coming down on us and stuff like that, I decided to. | it was just a natural thing for us to do. and having a new child and all the press coming down on us and stuff like that, i decided to. | |
74 | Just use experiences from books and other stories instead of even dealing with. I mean, there's a little bit of my life, personal things in it, but for the most part it's just. | just use experiences from books and other stories instead of even dealing with. i mean, there's a little bit of my life, personal things in it, but for the most part it's just. | |
75 | It's very un-personal, impersonal. | it's very un-personal, impersonal. | |
76 | I think that'll be a surprise to a lot of people. | i think that'll be a surprise to a lot of people. | |
77 | the album may not sell as much and so they were concerned with that you know but um. | the album may not sell as much and so they were concerned with that you know but um. | |
78 | They never, ever once put any pressure on us. They just basically told us their feelings and their thoughts of what they thought of the record. Most people don't like the record. A lot of my friends don't. | they never, ever once put any pressure on us. they just basically told us their feelings and their thoughts of what they thought of the record. most people don't like the record. a lot of my friends don't. | |
79 | All three of us are totally excited about it. We've achieved exactly what we've been wanting to achieve for the last two records. This is the sound that we've had in our heads. | all three of us are totally excited about it. we've achieved exactly what we've been wanting to achieve for the last two records. this is the sound that we've had in our heads. | |
80 | one of those things that you do, you know, to relieve the pain, but. | one of those things that you do, you know, to relieve the pain, but. | |
81 | You know, as I expected before I started doing heroin, I realized that. | you know, as i expected before i started doing heroin, i realized that. | |
82 | I knew it at the beginning that it would become just as boring as marijuana does. Like all drugs, after a few months, it's just as boring as breathing air. | i knew it at the beginning that it would become just as boring as marijuana does. like all drugs, after a few months, it's just as boring as breathing air. | |
83 | So I just don't want to try it. I've always lied about it because I didn't want to influence anybody. I didn't want anyone to even consider the thought of doing drugs because it's really stupid. | so i just don't want to try it. i've always lied about it because i didn't want to influence anybody. i didn't want anyone to even consider the thought of doing drugs because it's really stupid. | |
84 | There's nothing more embarrassing than a group of people walking up to you and shaking and clamoring and, you know, and praising you like you're some kind of fucking god or something. It's embarrassing. | there's nothing more embarrassing than a group of people walking up to you and shaking and clamoring and, you know, and praising you like you're some kind of fucking god or something. it's embarrassing. | |
85 | I was a big heavy metal fan for years in junior high school, and I have nothing against heavy metal fans at all, you know, except for, you know, some of the. | i was a big heavy metal fan for years in junior high school, and i have nothing against heavy metal fans at all, you know, except for, you know, some of the. | |
86 | You know, for the most part, most heavy metal has always been pretty sexist. So, you know, there are a lot of areas in it that I don't agree with. | you know, for the most part, most heavy metal has always been pretty sexist. so, you know, there are a lot of areas in it that i don't agree with. | |
87 | That's no reason to exclude a person. | that's no reason to exclude a person. | |
88 | from having the opportunity to listen to your music, to eventually start playing acoustic guitars and be thought of as a singer and a songwriter rather than a grunge rocker, you know? Because then I might be able to take advantage of that when I'm older and sit down on a chair and play acoustic guitar like Johnny Cash or something, you know? And it won't be a big joke, but who knows?. | from having the opportunity to listen to your music, to eventually start playing acoustic guitars and be thought of as a singer and a songwriter rather than a grunge rocker, you know? because then i might be able to take advantage of that when i'm older and sit down on a chair and play acoustic guitar like johnny cash or something, you know? and it won't be a big joke, but who knows?. | |
89 | any kind of participation or any kind of feelings with the audience. You know what I'm saying? Like I can never really, because I'm concentrated on my guitar and I have to remember the lyrics and I have to remember to push these little buttons down on my fuzz pedals and stuff. And I have to sing and all this stuff and it just confuses me. I can't chew gum and walk at the same time, so I'm doing, I'm expected to do like six things at once. And so just adding another guitar player. | any kind of participation or any kind of feelings with the audience. you know what i'm saying? like i can never really, because i'm concentrated on my guitar and i have to remember the lyrics and i have to remember to push these little buttons down on my fuzz pedals and stuff. and i have to sing and all this stuff and it just confuses me. i can't chew gum and walk at the same time, so i'm doing, i'm expected to do like six things at once. and so just adding another guitar player. | |
90 | totally a relief. It just really helps. It's great. And we got this guy, Pat Smear, who's in the germs. The pleasure I get out of it is knowing that that many people like the music, you know. | totally a relief. it just really helps. it's great. and we got this guy, pat smear, who's in the germs. the pleasure i get out of it is knowing that that many people like the music, you know. | |
91 | But I was validated beyond any expectations when we were playing in clubs, you know, just to have that many people, just to have fifty or one hundred people say that. | but i was validated beyond any expectations when we were playing in clubs, you know, just to have that many people, just to have fifty or one hundred people say that. | |
92 | tell you that they like your music is just fine enough with me, you know. So I've never been afraid of any kind of failure. We like to change with every song. Like every song, I'll twiddle my knobs and turn them into a different sound. I just don't like to repeat things. We don't confront one another if we're pissed off at each other. We just know that we're bothered by something that they've said and then just forget about it, you know. That's really the only way to work with somebody. None of us have really. | tell you that they like your music is just fine enough with me, you know. so i've never been afraid of any kind of failure. we like to change with every song. like every song, i'll twiddle my knobs and turn them into a different sound. i just don't like to repeat things. we don't confront one another if we're pissed off at each other. we just know that we're bothered by something that they've said and then just forget about it, you know. that's really the only way to work with somebody. none of us have really. | |
93 | of personalities really. We're all pretty much the same kind of people, you know. So we started as friends and I can't see anything getting in the way to stop us from being friends. To tell you the truth, I would rather just quit my band and join Hole, you know, but only because when I have played music with them,. | of personalities really. we're all pretty much the same kind of people, you know. so we started as friends and i can't see anything getting in the way to stop us from being friends. to tell you the truth, i would rather just quit my band and join hole, you know, but only because when i have played music with them,. | |
94 | There's a level of connection that's a little bit higher than with anyone else that I've ever played with. It's amazing. | there's a level of connection that's a little bit higher than with anyone else that i've ever played with. it's amazing. | |
95 | It's something that's totally satisfying for Courtney and I, but completely unrealistic because we're already so intertwined with each other. And, you know, everyone doesn't even, most people don't even think of the band Nirvana anymore. They think of Kurt and Courtney, you know, and it's just, it's just too much. It gets in the way. People would overlook the music. | it's something that's totally satisfying for courtney and i, but completely unrealistic because we're already so intertwined with each other. and, you know, everyone doesn't even, most people don't even think of the band nirvana anymore. they think of kurt and courtney, you know, and it's just, it's just too much. it gets in the way. people would overlook the music. | |
96 | I don't know if I can see anything for the next five years. | i don't know if i can see anything for the next five years. | |
97 | We still gam together every once in a while. | we still gam together every once in a while. | |
98 | I really wish we could just join bands. We wanted to have a title that related to. | i really wish we could just join bands. we wanted to have a title that related to. | |
99 | to the good majority of the themes that are on the album, which are mostly medical themes, you know, sickness and death and rebirth and having to be restrained in a bed with an IV in your arm and being sick all the time. You know, I, for some reason, see a connection between death and life and being sick all the time, and I'm just kind of obsessed with it, so I had to get it out of my system. | to the good majority of the themes that are on the album, which are mostly medical themes, you know, sickness and death and rebirth and having to be restrained in a bed with an iv in your arm and being sick all the time. you know, i, for some reason, see a connection between death and life and being sick all the time, and i'm just kind of obsessed with it, so i had to get it out of my system. | |
100 | more biographical of the way I felt a few years ago. I tell you the truth, it's not really as personal as a lot of people would like it to be. I actually had some themes on this album that don't have anything to do with my life at all. | more biographical of the way i felt a few years ago. i tell you the truth, it's not really as personal as a lot of people would like it to be. i actually had some themes on this album that don't have anything to do with my life at all. | |
101 | In a way, yeah, for a few songs. | in a way, yeah, for a few songs. | |
102 | at times who are blissfully happy. And a lot of those people aren't bothered with the complications of knowledge and everything else that life has to offer. I know a lot of people who are. | at times who are blissfully happy. and a lot of those people aren't bothered with the complications of knowledge and everything else that life has to offer. i know a lot of people who are. | |
103 | simpletons, you know, they're very simple that they can enjoy their lives and be totally happy and secure with, you know, just watching sports on television and having a beer every once in a while, you know. | simpletons, you know, they're very simple that they can enjoy their lives and be totally happy and secure with, you know, just watching sports on television and having a beer every once in a while, you know. | |
104 | And I've always felt too complicated, so I kind of envy those people. | and i've always felt too complicated, so i kind of envy those people. | |
105 | I'm not saying that I'm smarter than most people. It's just that I. | i'm not saying that i'm smarter than most people. it's just that i. |
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