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testing purposes: you are an idiot and i can't stand ignorant donutholes.

I'm not a big fan of either, but I've seen both, if you can count the first three Star Wars movies and a random smattering of different Star Trek episodes as having seen them. Of course you have an apples and oranges problem in making the comparison, because the scope of the two projects – objectives, budgets, people involved, and all things creative – were so different. Trek was conceived to sell ads on network TV, right? Wars was a Lucas/Spielburg extravaganza. Sure, Trek became a series of movies too, but that was afterthought. So it bothers me that you cite history based on the movies with Star Wars first, when Star Trek actually started almost two decades earlier than Star Wars, in 1966, as a television show. Production values, star power, effects, of course all go to Star Wars, and there is budget and objectives behind that. But Star Trek did start earlier, paved the way, and had a long history of different people involved, with an interesting flair for putting real human problems (racism, for example, a recurring theme in Star Trek as the different races dealt with each other) into a new perspective. And there's interesting comparisons on the big picture, too ... the great Yoda perspective and quotes, of course, and the whole power of the force, in Star Wars. But Trek embraced big picture too, like the larger collective metaphor of Seven of Nine. I wish you'd done a straight compare and contrast, instead of which is better. Better will always be subjective, and it's too close ended, in my opinion.

I like this comment a lot. Star Trek really delved much deeper in to the philosophical and cultural interactions. Star Wars concentrated on what it is to fight with people , Star Trek looked at living with them .

One thing I've never understood about the Star Trek prequel that came out recently: if the spaceship is rolling toward you, why not just turn left or right instead of letting it squash you like a baby xenomorph? Still, I'm excited for the new movies and can't wait to see what one of my favorite sci-fi directors, James Cameron, does with them!

Imma let y'all be civil here…but Galaxy Quest is the best of all time! ALL TIME!

Never give up. Never surrender!

By grabthar's hammer, you shall be avenged!

Nice reference!

ooga chaka, ooga chaka,... Ah! Earworm!!!

I think their much the same. I don't loose any love for Jar Jar Bink's but I don't know if it would of been the same movie without him. The Tribbles are much better than the Ewoks to. 🐵

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"Destroys" seems such an extreme way to put it.

I love both Star Wars and Star Trek for their respective strengths and the storytelling they enable. In the past I've tended to lean a little more towards Star Wars as the technology and society seem more recognizable. Star Trek's far future cleanness and well mannered society are both admirable and something to look forward to, but even though it's an imagined future of our species it feels much more alien than Star Wars.

101th!

I hope this isn't too much of a spoiler but Jam Jar Banks is my favorite character because he exists in both Stars War and Trek.

While I agree with your conclusion, I think your argument could be improved by cleaning up some of the factual errors: **History** - As [kmyers pointed out](https://www.civilcomments.com/star-wars-vs-star-trek/#c-76094), the [original Star Trek TV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series) series actually started in 1966. **The Heros Journey** - The concept of [the heroes journey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monomyth) was first introduced by *Joseph* Campbell **Humor** - I think [this episode of The Incomparable](https://www.theincomparable.com/theincomparable/136/) may help you hone your theatrical taste. I sure hope [Markdown](https://daringfireball.net/projects/markdown/) is supported...

However, you must agree that Dr. Whom is the better show then either, since it's from oversees and better-aged.

You forgot to mention how boring Tron is.

Star Wars: Deep Space Nine is clearly the best Star Gallactica.

The Phantom Menace didn't have nearly enough muppets. Farscape is by far my favorite of the Star Wars canon.

How can you top The Trouble with Tribbles?

Why, with a theatrical version in a park of course. :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trHzYyuRrCw

Totally agree, star trek in the park was a blast! So fun, so sad they're no longer doing it.

With a light reduction of plomeek leaves and nutmeg, sauteed briefly over a breaching warp core.

This is kind of a pointless test article. Just reject anything that defends Star Trek and you're golden. Besides, they'd just try to argue your computer into destroying itself along with the entire society because it's dumb and Kirk knows better.

Guy, this is an excellent test article! It's currently blowing the other posts away in terms of comment volume. (Also, Star Wars is the best; no one need argue this truth.)

I noticed there was no point 4.

Isn't point 4 the one titled "The Big Questions," which has a "4" in front of it ... the one right below 3 and above 5?

This is the single best argument for the superiority of Star Trek over Star Wars that I have ever read. Well-trolled, sir, well-trolled.

Well-trolled, indeed. As far as Civil Comments goes, this seems like the best crucible there could be. And as far as Star Wars vs. Star Trek goes---nothing could ever touch Han Solo. The end.

I didn't see either one so I can't comment.

But you just did.

"MATTHEW TROST is a senior engineer at Civil." So, you're a civil engineer? Ba Dum Tsh. Sorry.

fail this one

The Troll is strong with this one.

Did we filter out all the mean ones???

No

yes

For the purposes of testing, here's my contribution: lol wut wat a bunch of bullshit the author is a delusional stupid jerk full of crap (I just can't bring myself to use stronger profanity and personal attacks.)

Episode 1: A New Hope... the masterpiece that started it all.

This post is bad, and you should feel bad! (\/) (°,,,°) (\/)

I've seen a couple of the original Star Trek TV episodes but I haven't seen any of the Star Trek or Star Wars movies yet so I don't really have an opinion. But, I do suggest Captain Midnight.

This is just the sort of inane clickbait I'd expect from such hamster-sniffers. (This is a test)

Yo mama! (test in reply)

Bruce Campbell > Joseph Campbell

I assumed that error was made on purpose. #trolling

I am going to say that his arguments have no merit whatsoever and are a good test for this system since he seems to be trolling the system. I didn't read the article I stopped at "Don't get me wrong, I've never seen Star Trek". If he can't watch any Star Trek to make his argument, I am not about to read his thoughts on the issue. That doesn't mean I don't want to check out this comment system.

But you forgot the most important question: who would in a fight: the Enterprise or a Star Destroyer? My money's on the Enterprise due to a more competent crew.

I also want to throw this in there: Galactic Empire v. the Borg.

The author says that there are > many, many more reasons I am assuming a sequel is in the works, then?

Doctor Who pre-dates Star Trek by 3 years and is better than either of them.

The menu described the item as "collard mustard greens"- I'm guessing a mixture of both, but it could just be straight greens given the pepper. Reo's is not the kind of place that concerns itself with the difference between collard and mustard greens.

Really? This article is actually news? My daughter was lucky to lottery into da Vinci. Her cake turned out damn good, confetti cake from a box with the best pillsbury white frosting, candy corn mountains, brown sugar desert, and a bunch of other sugar filled non organic deliciousness. And can you believe this.. She had fun! Omg! Creativity! How terrible. Art school is hard folks. Want your kid to go to an art school, do the lottery like everyone else. Just because my daughter goes to da Vinci doesn't mean my son will. He will have to lottery too with no sibling priority in his favor. Oh no... Maybe he'll end up at Hosford! How will we survive the nonelitest school??? We will manage, thanks.

"What causes gentrification is rich people moving here." Mr. Novick. Kinda. But there's more to the story: it is a city run by real estate interests where rules are not enforced, where the city refuses to control AirBnB and allows Vacasa to flout the tax laws. It is tax compression in the inner Eastside. It is tax breaks and grants thrown at real estate investors. It's out of state money buying apartments and upping the rent to cover the costs associated with flipping apartment buildings. It is letting heavy construction equipment causing local streets to crumble while Prius owners get the blame and foot the bill. I hope PDX does the right thing and elects Wheeler. We need someone who is transparent with money and has no sketchy connections.

True. But the idea is good--just send them to a sanctuary in SE Asia, such as the Elephant Nature Park in Thailand. Better yet and closer, send them to TES in TN or PAWS in CA.

Of course democrats can lie.... they are politicians, so by definition ...

The preserve was sold big time to the public, the only version available to the public before the ballot was the version with the preserve. Yes it was deleted from the ballot language, but that is a pull the wool over the eyes trick that gives Metro the excuse to not be accountable. But they and the zoo are accountable for their statements -- which were unequivacally that there would be an offiste preserve for the elephants. This just proves that we cannot trust our government to tell the truth. But we still need to hold them accountable for their statements to the public. And since there was so much public outcry about the preserve, Metro did option land, did hold hearings to discuss the plans for the preserve and did target in 2008 $12 million for captital expenses and a feasibility study. So why claim it was never part of the bond? Because all the money was spent on the new exhibit? Or it was a ruse to fool the public about their real intentions to never provide a preserve.

I know of a guy that got an $800,000 grant for his high tech fuels business and he blatantly brags about how he was able to use it for personal use with no follow up or repayment required. He went out and bought himself rental properties and a new Audi. I can only hope there is some back track follow up by the city and prosecute some of these scammers. Looks like this story could be the tip of a big iceberg of widespread misappropriation of city funds.

I feel for him, and I feel the exact same way just with the abuse I've suffered from people on social media who are Sanders' supporters. It's a shame really. As a life-long democrat, from where I sit, they've done nothing but emulate the Republican party by causing such a nasty division, which in the end, hurts us all. They are the kind of people who make me think about voting 3rd party should he win the nomination.

Best? Remains the king? Sounds like the reviewer got a deal for Appiza for a year. There are too many pizza joints giving it their all to offer a top product and some little writer hands the free publicity crown to one joint. Appiza does have good pizza like many others, a lot of Portlanders are not that crazy about charred pizza like Appiza serves. Spangler even admits he got into the pizza biz because of the high profit margins over being a bakery serving individual loaves of bread. That is why they are so strict/rude about substitutions on their precious pies and those cheap bulk purchased ice cream sandwiches for dessert, profit baby. "One of the best in my opinion" comment would certainly give more credibility to the reviewer.

Uber and Lyft coming into town has freed up capacity for those with disabilities to get service from traditional cab companies. That is not a bad thing.

These elephants have waited a long time to live in an environment that is healthier for them, both physically and emotionally. It's time to make the offsite reserve a reality, as the voters have expressed they desire through a bond measure eight years ago. Metro Council, make this happen! It's what the public told you they want and what the elephants deserve.

I had no idea such vitriol was happening. But I usually stay away from the comments sections because of the harshness and trolls (perhaps they’re really SQUIRRELS!) that predominate. I am an avid Bernie supporter, am an not a fan of Hilary, but of course would vote for any Democrat against the alternative. I have gotten a little heartburn when Carl says he’s unelectable, but I recognize it’s a real concern, and the stakes could not be higher with actual fascist candidates from the Republic side within striking distance of the Presidency. I hope Carl reconsiders. He’s the very best radio host I’ve ever heard - in any of the markets I’ve been in, including LA. He is warm, inviting, wide-ranging, thoughtful, compassionate, and FUNNY! He was the SOLE reason I just donated to XRAY FM, so that’s a bummer. Carl - why don’t you just stop reading social media? Or, as it is usually expressed, anti-social media? We need you Carl. Especially this year. Much love to you, regardless.

No the only official version was the one in the voters pamphlet. If people couldn't be bothered to read the ballot measure as legally presented then that falls on them. It was never part of the measure as proven out by the wording of the actual measure as presented.

So this guy wants better nutrition but also wants to poison everybody with the neurotoxin fluoride. I'm afraid he has no credibility if it's true.

Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl, Carl!! No, no, no, no, no, no!! Please take some time off but please come back!!

WAIT! ONE MINUTE! While I can empathize with your pain, having been the target of a few slings and arrows myself living in the bastion of Republicanism here on Maryland's Eastern Shore, if the few voices of reason are silenced, who does that leave but the bullies and other assorted loudmouths. Give it some time Carl, let your blood pressure reduce to a low boil, then jump back in. Please. We need you. The Democrats need you, Hillary needs you, the discourse of politics needs you. And always remember in the immortal words of Dr. Phil, "It's not about you!' It's them! Go to your medicine chest, open up the Q-tips, put on one in your pocket and remember; "Quit taking it personal." Thanks for all you have done to date.

In the interest of understanding each other, I will include my comments as they were written for this article. Hi Rachel, In brief, I have quite a few concerns about the Commissioner's approach, namely that pursuing density without adequate protections in place to prevent displacement and invest in community stability for existing residents (in particular low-income renters, communities of color) puts us on the wrong path to being the next San Francisco where hardly anyone of modest income can afford to live. Our governments and the market have thus far failed to stem displacement in our rapidly gentrifying city, and we continue to lack the tools necessary to increase density in a way that accounts for displacement. I fear that the city of Portland will finally achieve a "sustainable, equitable" city, but only once the vast majority of low-income residents and communities of color are pushed outside the city limits. <continued in next comment.

To my knowledge, the commissioner has yet to endorse Anti-Displacement PDX's 28 measures in the Comprehensive Plan. This is a crucial first step--but still just a first step--in giving the city the tools and underlying mandates necessary to better confront the problem. There's a long way to go in removing state-level pre-emptions on rent control, inclusionary zoning, and the minimum wage--all things that impact the ability of people to afford living in the city. I am happy to talk more about this today over the phone, but would also be happy to field questions over email if that's easier. All the best, Adam

I worry that pursuing density in the current market may be condemning us to repeat the same eco-apartheid we're already seeing--that's worsening--in inner Portland neighborhoods where sustainable, walkable, green neighborhoods are available exclusively to wealthier residents who can afford it. From Rachel: "Could you tell me what you think of that criticism from him -- that the local environmentalists aren't mobilizing on what's an important issue that would actually have an important impact locally?" Me: "I don't think that there is a consensus among local environmental groups about exactly how we should be increasing density. A lot of these neighbors who are dominating the comp plan hearings are complaining about the loss of mature trees, solar access, and the general character of their neighborhoods. I think a lot of environmentalists see density development driven by a market frenzy as sometimes inherently in contradiction with some environmental values. <continued>

"...I think that others understand that while density may require sacrifice, that it's a necessary direction to go. It's one thing if the density is resulting in more sustainable livable communities, but we are not exactly evaluating these developments and this growth on both sides of the ledger--including in particular metrics for displacement. We aren't requiring that enough social good be done. And when we try to incentivize social good instead of require it, it is comes in measures far too inadequate to do much to solve the problems we're facing. Many people in the grassroots understands that density is a radically transformational force in neighborhoods--and one that is controversial in both legitimate ways and in NIMBYist ways. I don't think the issue is as black and white as the city thinks it is and that's why environmentalists haven't been galvanized by Commissioner Novick's comments. <continued>

No, he wants to increase the health of our children's teeth.

Beyond that, the Comp Plan is a massive and complex document with interconnected issues and policies that many folks have trouble fully understanding what it all means and how it might affect them. The meetings are usually quite dry, require large investments in terms of hours with no guarantee of a slot to speak. And each hearing covers a wide range of issues. It's not the kind of process that makes it easy to organize around policies, rouse the public, and find a way to speak in a unified voice--especially in a way that elevates the voices of those most vulnerable to displacement, climate change, and other major challenges like lack of adequate transportation access. 350PDX has promoted the Comp Plan hearings and has sent people there to speak, though at a certain point it becomes hard to distinguish anyone from such a large crowd with differing interests. <continued>

We had plenty of people testify at the Comp Plan hearings. Some of our members testified on ADPDX, others talked about supporting the industrial lands policies in the plan. And more who had come never got the chance to speak.

I see what you did there....you made fun of the ridiculously whiny set that thinks a tv show "ruined" portland (or has influenced it in any real way)....by acting like you are gullible enough to believe this yourself. Pretty funny!

Can we save everyone some time and money and just declare her the winner now? I mean Novick has done everything possible to alienate the voters in this town. I have not been impressed with much, if anything, he has done for the city. "Hey, here's a new street tax idea that totally hammers the residents and basically leave out the trucking industry" in three different forms. No thanks to Steve. Looking forward to hearing what Sue has to offer.

Actually that is likely not the case. I understand your basic theory of Uber/Lyft are taking all the regular rides leaving traditional cabbies to pick up those who require disabilities. What this doesn't take into consideration is that with whatever chunk of profit Uber/Lyft take, it eats that profit from cab companies. Less profit, less drivers, less ride for folks with disabilities. But the real issue is that if you offer a business it should be for everyone. Hence why ALL stores have to offer ramp entrances for the disabled. Uber and Lyft are skirting that and it is at the detriment to the civil liberties of those with disabilities. It gets a tad sticky...

Have you heard the complaints of Beaumont and Eastmoreland neighborhood associations that the city planners are censoring comments that don't fit the city's preferred narrative? Do you feel like your group is being heard or censored? These aren't rhetorical questions, I am really concerned. BTW- thanks for your comments. You seem well-informed.

And Bernie supporters here prove his point right on cue.

It's tough to lose Carl Wolfson's show yet again! Out here in the wilderness of Clackamas County, his show has been a bright spot for insightful commentary and humor. He's a very gifted radio host and fine human being. I can't imagine how tough it is to toil away with no salary--dependent totally upon community support to keep going. I understand the need to step away from politics, though and wish him the best.

How very "Portlandia" of you. We never watched the show until after we moved here and only up until half way of season 3. To even suggest someone would move here because of a tv show.... With that logic I would be living in Philadelphia where it's always sunny and much more funny. But we're not. We're here and we love it. Even when "locals", from other states complain about influx of newcomers. This is pure comedy right here. No show needed.

Exactly the same thought I have when considering a possible Clinton nomination.

I can identify with your feelings. I worked in the trenches in politics for 25 years, and that was in a place where Republicans run unopposed! I'm still recovering, but now pursuing other interests. As to the Sanders supporters, and I am one, they are just frustrated that someone who is truly left has to tackle the Democratic Party establishment to even have a chance to be heard. I'm not interested in attacking Hillary supporters but I do get angry when she shuts the door on single-payer health care. I cannot afford the "affordable" health care that is out there today, so I am seeking an advocate.

I rather like Bernie I'm truly undecided on which progressive candidate I will vote for. I hate the vitriol of Sanders supporters. They need to wake up. I like Bernie's message, but I'm afraid of the voters who say they will NEVER vote for Hillary. Personally, I will be voting for the woman or man who gets the nomination, whoever it will be. I really hope Bernie AND Hillary supporters will come to their senses.

Example here? Baseless claims like yours prompt the very thing that you complain about. I see such claims as false, contrived with one purpose in mind: to create a straw man argument in hopes of muffling the voices who oppose you and yours. That is a tired, old right-wing tactic which more and more characterizes the Clinton campaign. How you like me now?

Mrs. Patel won her litigation for fraud, slander, and libel. The Candlands fled the country after liquidating company accounts and dodging numerous warrants and requested court appearances. You might want to check your facts. Continuing to attempt to disgrace Mrs. Patel, the only person who stood up for us and tried to protect us, is shameful. However, we are all very grateful to know they are in California and have forwarded this article to our attorneys and law enforcement.

Well that's that I guess. Another victory for the Corporatocracy. This latest one by 'surrender', which seems even more difficult to digest than when the Corporate weenies at Clear Channel shuttered the commercial effort. Carl, I was 10 years old when the first televised Presidential debate took place between Kennedy & Nixon. Shortly afterward I got into a playground fist fight with an elementary school upper class-man who was a Nixon supporter. My interest in politics has endured ever since those early years. Carl, I am a Bernie Sanders supporter, and I hope that you get to feeling better about things in general. I do find the headline of this article to be disingenuous though. Politics is a contact sport. You know that. I have seen harsh commentary coming from both camps equally. I don't believe that's why you are throwing in the towel. You'll be missed. I made a small donation early hoping for an Air America-like station not eclectic KOO-style Indie music. Good Luck, I'm out.

"What causes gentrification is rich people moving here. " Nope. It's the uncontrolled housing market that causes gentrification. As neighborhoods become more desirable, the market allows rich people to compete amongst each other and drive prices up. They are also able to privately capture the value that is added with things like infrastructure improvements, even though those things are publicly funded. But it's possible to control this with things like Community Land Trusts. Rich people are only able to drive up prices because our uncontrolled, private market, that treats housing as just another commodity rather than a human right, allows it. Sustainable living for the rich, while everybody else gets pushed to the suburbs, is not Climate Justice. It's actually a grave injustice to all the people who want to live in a sustainable Portland but are basically being told they don't deserve to because they don't make enough money. Fix that and people might get on board with development.

Interesting that you've chosen to delete all the comments from Parents, teachers, and staff lauding Mrs. Patel's actions. She uncovered a massive fraud and we all owe her more than a simple comment section can express.

Although the food was pretty good, I had a strange experience at NLB. As a vegetarian who dislikes mushrooms, I always ask restaurant staff whether their veggie burgers are made with mushrooms. The order taker looked like I was crazy. She then asked the kitchen staff. The best they could answer is "You can probably assume that the black bean burger probably doesn't have mushrooms." For a place that says it is vegan, you would think it would be able to list what the ingredients are.

I have to agree with Katie and Adam's comments here, Commissioner Novick. You've identified half of the story & we want to see that you understand, and care about, the other half.

Man, so tired of all these Portlanders moving to California! When will it stop?!?

People can use toothpaste if they so desire and then spit it out. It's stupid to subject every cell in the body to one of the most toxic substances on the earth by swallowing fluoride.

Spot on.

Straw man.

I have to say, I'm not surprised... but that's because the level of vitriol regarding EVERYTHING these days is unprecedented.. Whether it's comments on youtube, or comments on blog sites, or comments on facebook, or comments on twitter, or comments to radio shows... I don't think it's just Bernie Supporters - of which I am one. I think it's the state of society at this point. There is just so much intense communication and disagreements and bickering about everything... I think it's coming from every camp & every direction. I myself get completely overloaded on the intense dialogues and bickerings on threads online, and I see it everywhere, on every disqus thread on every blog post. And who has the time to process it all? That being said, I am still feeling the bern.

Yes, public transportation services Like Uber and Lift, now subject to the City's regulatory code, should be held to the same standards that every other public transportation provider is held to. Taxis have an unfunded mandate from the City requiring them to have wheelchair accessible vehicles in at least 10% of their fleet. They can only charge the same rates as regular cabs. This results in the taxi companies subsidizing them, while at the same time trying to remain competitive with a huge multi-national corporation that does not share that mandate. While this denial of service to wheelchair-bound users is probably the most egregious of Novick's concessions to Uber (although I would argue that a close second is surely the Non-Disclosure Agreement they signed) there are many others, such as requiring smart phones and credit cards. This disproportionately affects the elderly and low-income. Too bad they don't have lobbyists, Uber has 10.

Well, they (Republicans) say progressives are wimps. Looks like they may be right, or maybe with guy really isn't a Progressive.

Meh, not funny.

Qtip: Quit Taking It Personally Understand why someone is upset - identify the behavior - be an example Passions are high - media and politicians take advantage. Bernie Sanders attracts passionate participation from people who have been outside the political process and he attracts independents, some republicans and many disillusioned liberals, democrats. It is extremely frustrating to hear people say 'life's not fair' and government as we have known it, we need to build upon it, when social and economic inequality points to a more dramatic redirection of our national attention, money and time. If it is nasty to state my truth that HRC stands for, supports and is supported by much of what seems wrong with Washington DC, then, I too am 'nasty'. I am strongly considering a vote for Jill Stein if Bernie Sanders is not the nominee of a party that is on the heels of the GOP in going extinct. Be a DINO Democrat in Name Only ? Democrats for and by the people not corporations.