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{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_14adb798", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3075.19, "stop": 3078.022, "text": "In fact the paternity is not relevant to that." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_6a1664f8", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3078.022, "stop": 3085.493, "text": "It is in case and that sense the concession is irrelevant so whether or not the state has made it." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_7d2a95ec", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3085.493, "stop": 3093.179, "text": "Then why does it not help your case any that the mother is present at the birth of necessity?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_c573f35d", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3093.179, "stop": 3093.712, "text": "Because in that case --" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_7d243c00", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3093.712, "stop": 3095.826, "text": "You can emphasize that." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_2520b2a2", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3095.826, "stop": 3106.116, "text": "Because in the case of the case of the married couple, the father will generally participate not in the act of birth but from that time on in caring with the child." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_50552600", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3106.116, "stop": 3110.76, "text": "Well, this man is trying to participate, but Illinois will not let him?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_bbe6dbf9", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3110.76, "stop": 3111.937, "text": "No Mr. Chief Justice." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_8aed3715", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3111.937, "stop": 3132.418, "text": "Most respectfully Illinois encourages him to do so if he will accept the legal responsibility for those children by a formal proceeding comparable to the marriage ceremony in which he is evidencing through a judicial proceeding his desire to accept legal responsibility for the children." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_93f3c1a4", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3132.418, "stop": 3132.433, "text": "You mean --" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_1e0c4167", "speaker_id": 15140, "start": 3132.433, "stop": 3141.704, "text": "Yes, but did he do all things that you say that a married father would do from the birth of these children until the time that Joan Stanley died?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_5e338e80", "speaker_id": 15140, "start": 3141.704, "stop": 3144.259, "text": "I gather from this record that that is the fact." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_b714cf58", "speaker_id": 15140, "start": 3144.259, "stop": 3152.676, "text": "He did not get into this difficulty until after her death, but he did everything apparently that that he had been married to Joan." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_cc7e32df", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3152.676, "stop": 3153.469, "text": "No sir." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_9a367148", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3153.469, "stop": 3165.492, "text": "I would not agree to that and the suggestions on the record that would tend to indicate that were not relevant to the Trial Court below." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_cd45d94b", "speaker_id": 15071, "start": 3165.492, "stop": 3181.509, "text": "Well, you say that the state should consider him as the children -- apparently the interest in the children were irrelevant in this proceeding in the sense that they taken from what is conceived to be the father and given to some guardian?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_cad13a20", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3181.509, "stop": 3182.47, "text": "No sir, they were not --" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_00bf32fe", "speaker_id": 15071, "start": 3182.47, "stop": 3189.637, "text": "Well, they were declared dependent and guardians were appointed for them?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_2e6d7a9a", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3189.637, "stop": 3195.99, "text": "That is correct, but it is the petitioner Stanley who placed the children with the Nesses." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_fdfc2734", "speaker_id": 15071, "start": 3195.99, "stop": 3196.802, "text": "I understand that, the state --" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_06dfffd0", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3196.802, "stop": 3199.482, "text": "The Nesses, whether that was done --" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_ee6e8917", "speaker_id": 15071, "start": 3199.482, "stop": 3214.522, "text": "And the state, as the result of this proceeding automatically without considering the interest of the children specifically in this proceeding legally forbade his custody in the immediate future?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_e8a71d43", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3214.522, "stop": 3215.336, "text": "No sir." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_5756ebbb", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3215.336, "stop": 3226.168, "text": "The state imposed upon the Nesses, the parties he had physically deposited the children with upon some person the state imposed legal responsibility." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_79029cdb", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3226.168, "stop": 3231.313, "text": "Stanley did not ask for custody, he did not ask for legal responsibility." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_cc12400f", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3231.313, "stop": 3236.598, "text": "He only objected to someone having legal control over the children." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_dbdfa5b7", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3236.598, "stop": 3250.813, "text": "The question of his prior relationship, the question of his paternity or lack of it or his misconduct or lack of it was not part of the trial below and is not relevant to outcome of this case." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_29bb297a", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3250.813, "stop": 3258.547, "text": "It is purely the question of the act of discrimination." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_2a40879b", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3258.547, "stop": 3278.889, "text": "In requesting the Nesses to accept that legal responsibility, the custodians he had given the children to, the state was merely attempting to secure the welfare of the children by providing a criminal penalty for anyone who would abandon a child." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_fd33f0f8", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3278.889, "stop": 3286.762, "text": "Stanley was -- did not ask to have them." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_92b23882", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3286.762, "stop": 3295.823, "text": "Let me call your attention to one, two comments from the Supreme Court of Illinois opinion which I am not too clear about." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_78c1cfce", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3295.823, "stop": 3327.981, "text": "In referring here at the end of the opinion at page 33 to the equal protection arguments, the Court concludes by saying that if that is his claim, we need only respond in this instance by noting that the Section was not so applied to him and here is the key part, in fact the Trial Court’s comments clearly indicate that court's willingness to consider a future request by the father, the Court apparently then conceded that he was the father, as custodian or guardian." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_f85bfccb", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3327.981, "stop": 3332.494, "text": "Now I notice it does not say or there is no reference to an adoption proceeding." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_96079f03", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3332.494, "stop": 3339.546, "text": "Is there any –- do you see any significance in their having omitted reference to adoption or was that just inadvertent?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_7109ce64", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3339.546, "stop": 3342.092, "text": "I would submit that to be a mere inadvertence sir." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_37f33e17", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3342.092, "stop": 3350.658, "text": "The adoption is clearly open as an alternative to Stanley in this case." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_389ef83b", "speaker_id": 15045, "start": 3350.658, "stop": 3362.403, "text": "Mr. Friedman do you know, do other States have situations similar to this one here, statutes like this?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_3b8de00d", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3362.403, "stop": 3364.196, "text": "Yes sir, Mr. Justice Blackmun." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_d5aa7b4c", "speaker_id": 35803, "start": 3364.196, "stop": 3383.685, "text": "There is no state which imposes upon the unwed father the full range of parental responsibility and there is no state which grants the unwed father outside of a common law marriage state the full range of legal rights of parenthood." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_e6cd2dc7", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3383.685, "stop": 3385.989, "text": "Thank you, Mr. Friedman." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_ca02e4c7", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3385.989, "stop": 3407.085, "text": "Mr. Murphy you have a few minutes left here, would you care to comment some time on this language at page 33 of the Supreme Court, Illinois Supreme Court’s opinion as to what the Court had in mind?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_54d664dd", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3407.085, "stop": 3408.567, "text": "I would find difficulty, Your Honor." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_3c6837af", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3408.567, "stop": 3415.432, "text": "The Court there did suggest the right of custody but in later case they again agreed that unwed fathers had no right to custody." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_3c5ebef9", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3415.432, "stop": 3416.627, "text": "But we are only concerned with what --" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_06e0b602", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3416.627, "stop": 3417.004, "text": "The adopt --" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_57abe2fa", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3417.004, "stop": 3418.433, "text": "-- is said in this case." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_ffb581d6", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3418.433, "stop": 3429.117, "text": "I would assume that the Illinois Supreme Court realized that he may have had the theoretical possibility to adopt the children as he did at that time." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_fc0eb2e3", "speaker_id": 15043, "start": 3429.117, "stop": 3441.687, "text": "So the question of that -- at least now that the law has been clarified in Illinois, it is clear, is it not, that he is an eligible applicant." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_35760e9e", "speaker_id": 15043, "start": 3441.687, "stop": 3445.901, "text": "He therefore asked for custody of the children or as an adopted parent?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_f1639980", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3445.901, "stop": 3449.39, "text": "I think the law is clear that he has a theoretical possibility to adopt." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_c7901aa8", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3449.39, "stop": 3452.139, "text": "I believe the law is unclear as to whether he has a right to custody." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_748cb61d", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3452.139, "stop": 3456.865, "text": "You see Vandollin came down after Stanley at least and Vandollin said no right of custody." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_be7c3152", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3456.865, "stop": 3468.605, "text": "We should not -- is there not some possibility that your client ought to be exhausting his state remedies before he asks this Court to get into this difficult --?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_94a98bef", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3468.605, "stop": 3470.043, "text": "We did exhaust our state remedy." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_d599d1d3", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3470.043, "stop": 3470.435, "text": "Beg your pardon?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_d43de9ff", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3470.435, "stop": 3471.371, "text": "We did exhaust our state remedy." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_8d32bc80", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3471.371, "stop": 3473.824, "text": "Including adoption?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_1fefead4", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3473.824, "stop": 3474.651, "text": "(Inaudible)" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_f83a5475", "speaker_id": 15043, "start": 3474.651, "stop": 3476.809, "text": "It is not a constitutional claim at all, is it?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_d0e95450", "speaker_id": 15043, "start": 3476.809, "stop": 3484.833, "text": "Your claim is that the state by making just the equivalent of John Joan denies him equal protection law?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_84a436f2", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3484.833, "stop": 3485.15, "text": "Yes, Mr. Justice." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_92011aaa", "speaker_id": 15043, "start": 3485.15, "stop": 3486.397, "text": "He just be the child's mother?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_dd6280da", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3486.397, "stop": 3487.819, "text": "Yes that is correct, their claim is that --" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_c87be1a6", "speaker_id": 15073, "start": 3487.819, "stop": 3491.642, "text": "Let us stay on my question if you will and address your self to that point." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_ac0d3e59", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3491.642, "stop": 3492.595, "text": "Fine." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_e17b402c", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3492.595, "stop": 3503.771, "text": "First of course, there is the point that why put the burden on him to go the adoption when we do not do it to anyone else and that is our claim and that is the claim the Illinois Supreme Court answered negatively to us." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_f953ff3a", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3503.771, "stop": 3516.857, "text": "Secondly, once there is a finding of wardship we have to appeal within 30 days which we did. Stanley at that time obviously from his placement with his children with the Nesses a practical matter could not adopt." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_06fc6904", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3516.857, "stop": 3523.875, "text": "In fact, if he could have adopted and were not indigent, we would not be before this Court today as a practical matter." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_e548f48d", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3523.875, "stop": 3537.954, "text": "I would like to address very briefly a point that the state raised and that is that he could have married Joan Stanley while she was living and if we assume this we are assuming that all women are weak frivolous creatures that any man has to say please marry me and she will." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_14912e47", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3537.954, "stop": 3548.526, "text": "There is no evidence there was not Joan Stanley would not marry Peter Stanley and we can assume that in many cases it is the woman who will not marry the man and not the man who refuses to marry the woman." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_9a195ca2", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3548.526, "stop": 3559.075, "text": "So what happens in the case of a man who lives for 18 years with the woman who has two children by him and she refuses to marry him and then she dies." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_3d04d1c6", "speaker_id": 15043, "start": 3559.075, "stop": 3564.89, "text": "It would have been apparently eligible suitor in history, would he not?[Laughter]" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_cd13d456", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3564.89, "stop": 3565.842, "text": "They term a bachelor." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_79a2869f", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3565.842, "stop": 3573.319, "text": "I do not know, but they tell me, the longer you lived with person, might be less eligible." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_f81c74ab", "speaker_id": 15045, "start": 3573.319, "stop": 3580.675, "text": "Mr. Murphy what could she possibly gain by not marrying him under the circumstances?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_83c13ea9", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3580.675, "stop": 3587.967, "text": "Your Honor, as I say I do not -- why what makes a woman do what she does is beyond my comprehension very well." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_cdf5b411", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3587.967, "stop": 3594.014, "text": "And I simply do not know why a woman why not marry a man certainly I think just about any woman who want to marry.[Laughter]" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_4ae02197", "speaker_id": 15045, "start": 3594.014, "stop": 3612.584, "text": "A little while ago you said that Levine against Vincent was of no consequence here and yet there also the opportunity was afforded the father to have legitimatized these children for inheritance purposes in any event and he failed to do so." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_d96e288d", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3612.584, "stop": 3613.005, "text": "But the --" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_cf147177", "speaker_id": 15045, "start": 3613.005, "stop": 3617.478, "text": "Now I take it it you distinguish this because you say marriage is a two-way street?" }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_ad1277fb", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3617.478, "stop": 3619.324, "text": "Well, the difference is there, so different in here." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_676c5559", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3619.324, "stop": 3626.79, "text": "There it was merely a father’s interest in gaining the estate of his son." }

{ "case_id": "50613_16813", "segment_id": "50613_16813_ae4eb8fe", "speaker_id": 38117, "start": 3626.79, "stop": 3634.184, "text": "Here, it is the interest of a father who has built a familial relationship in maintaining that relationship with his children." }