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What's the difference, in practice? It amounts to your saying, it's disgusting but should be legal, ***or*** someone else saying, let's allow the parties involved to decide what is disgusting. Or, if you're like me, you think that it ISN'T a coercive law, because some children can't make informed consent. Brian

talk.politics.misc

1st round: ---------- PITT vs NYI: PITT in 4. It looks like a safe bet. NYI has been bagging it of late. NYI and NJD have a showdown Friday night for the honour of Pittsburg anyway. Pigsburg in 4. WASH vs NJD: WASH in 6. I think that NJD have a solid team and will compete with WASH. I agree though with WASH in 6. BOS vs BUF: BOS in 5. The B's have been playing awesome hockey in the last two weeks. The only question is how long will it last? Fuhr is a dud. BOS in 4. QUE vs MON: MON in 7. It seems to me that MON is much like the VAN - no chemistry. The Habs seem to be not in stride. QUE in 5. CHI vs STL: CHI in 4. STL should not be in the playoffs. CHI in 4. DET vs TOR: DET in 6. I am a diehard Leaf fan but ... It seems that the Leafs offense is shutting down in the last week. Can they turn it around against Detroit. As I recall, the last couple of time these two teams met, the Leafs were pummelled. I don't know if Bobbie is allowed in Canada yet. If he is, DET in 5. If not, DET in 6. VAN vs WIN: WIN in 6. Upset in the making here. Another team with bad chemistry. There is something gone foul among Linden, Momesso and Bure. WIN in 6. CAL vs LA: CAL in 5. Anybody that says that LA could possibly beet CAL does not watch the Smythe a whole lot. LA is a bunch of Geritols. CAL in 4. 2nd round: ---------- PITT vs WASH: PITT in 4. It seems to me that Pigsburg has some egos on their team. Their saving grace though is Bowman. He can put anybody in their place. However, if PIGS have a quick first round, they may be a little too high. WASH could be there for a surprise. Having said that, I will say PITT in 6. BOS vs MON: BOS in 6. MON will not be there. BOS is surprising me of late. Cam is great. The couple of wins against QUE last week have sold me with the B's. B's in 6. CHI vs DET: CHI in 7. Yikes. This will not be pretty. But DET is running like a machine of late. They've had a non-busy end of the season in which they played like killers. DET in 6. WIN vs CAL: CAL in 5. CAL has a solid team, a little weak in the nets. CAL will out muscle WIN. CAL in 5. 3rd round: ---------- PITT vs BOS: PITT in 5. I hate PITT. My logic eludes me. The dark side will take over and give BOS the extra push it needs to dump PITT. There may be something to this - if you think of the rivalry. BOS in 7. CHI vs CAL: CHI in 5. Finals: ------ PITT vs CHI: PITT in 5. NO, no, no. We have BOS vs DET. I don't know what to say here. Both teams will be flying and overdue. I will go with goaltending and muscle and say DET in 7.

rec.sport.hockey

Tektronix 453 scope for sale: - 50MHz bandwidth - portable (NOT one of the 5xx series boatanchors! :^) - delayed sweep - works fine - I don't have the manual (they are available from various places) - no probes - $275 + shipping Email me for more info... Regards, Keith

sci.electronics

Source: "Men Are Like That" by Leonard Ramsden Hartill. The Bobbs-Merrill Company, Indianapolis (1926). (305 pages). (Memoirs of an Armenian officer who participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people) p. 193. "Their [Muslim] villages were destroyed and they themselves were slain or driven out of the country." p. 218. "We Armenians did not spare the Tartars. If persisted in, the slaughtering of prisoners, the looting, and the rape and massacre of the helpless become commonplace actions expected and accepted as a matter of course. I have been on the scenes of massacres where the dead lay on the ground, in numbers, like the fallen leaves in a forest. They had been as helpless and as defenseless as sheep. They had not died as soldiers die in the heat of battle, fired with ardor and courage, with weapons in their hands, and exchanging blow for blow. They had died as the helpless must, with their hearts and brains bursting with horror worse than death itself." Serdar Argic

talk.politics.mideast

Darren> In an earlier article, I explained that what many people find Darren> arrogant about Christians is that some Christians profess Darren> absolute certainty about their beliefs and doctrines. and Darren> In short, the problem is that no matter how good your sources Darren> are, if any part of your doctrines or beliefs rest on your own Darren> thinking and reasoning, then those doctrines are suspect. The point that Darren raises is a very Lutheran viewpoint. While reason is a gift from God, it is also infected by sin. Yet we do not reject reason entirely--and neither, I think, does Darren. We need reason, as Darren himself has pointed out, to comprehend God's revelation of himself in the Bible. But reason alone is not sufficient to comprehend and believe the Word. We need, first and foremost, faith. For "the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, *nor can it do so*" (Romans 8:7). Luther accepted Scripture as the sole means of revelation ("Sola Scriptura"), but accepted the necessity of the use of reason (with faith) in comprehending that revelation. Yet Luther also said, regarding baptism, "But mad reason rushes forth, and, because Baptism is not dazzling like the works which we do, regards it as worthless." (Large Catechism, Fourth part, Baptism). To make matters more complicated, Luther was the sort of theologian that many people would describe as an `absolutist'. I've seen him described as a `take no prisoners' theologian. We might conclude, given these observations, that Luther was inconsistent or mad. And surely at least some have come to that conclusion. But it might be useful to recall that Jesus was also called mad. And Peter felt compelled to defend himself and the apostles against a charge of drunkenness on Pentecost. So we as Christians ought to be careful about rejecting Luther (or others) as mad. Rather, we should imitate the Bereans, who examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true (Acts 17:11). The basis for the confidence with which Luther, Peter, Paul, and many others preached the gospel was not just reason, but faith and the Holy Spirit. This is not faith divorced from reason, but a faith that guides, informs, and uses reason. The Spirit enables us to know the truth and to proclaim it boldly. God does not want us to preach the message that "I think that Jesus might have risen from the dead" but rather "I know that my redeemer lives!" (Job 19:25). The Christian does not side with Pilate in saying "What is truth?" but rather follows Christ, who said, "In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me" (John 18:37). We can know the truth because God has promised us that we can know the truth. Jesus said, "If you hold to my teachings, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free" (John 8:31,32). The Proverbs urge us "Buy the truth, and do not sell it." (Pr 23:23). The Psalmist prayed "Do not snatch to word of truth from my mouth" (Ps 119:43). Evidently he believed that the word of truth was in fact `in his mouth'. Yet we do indeed appear arrogant if our claim to the truth is motivated by self-glorification. But if we present the truth as the teachings of Scripture, revealed by the Spirit, and not our own invention, and if we stand ready to be proved wrong on the basis of Scripture, as Luther did, then we are not arrogant, but humble. We should humbly trust in God's promise of truth, just as we trust in his promise of forgiveness. REXLEX> It is only because of God's own revelation that we can be REXLEX> absolute about a thing. Darren> But how far does that get you? Once God's revelation stops, Darren> and your own reasoning begins, possibility for error appears. I agree that we must make a distinction between the clear teachings of Scripture, and the products of our own reason--even when such reasoning is based on Scripture. However I think I would draw the line of distinction more `reasonably' :-) and less `academically' than you would. Darren> For example, let's suppose that our modern Bible translations Darren> include a perfect rendering of Jesus words at the Last Supper, Darren> and that Jesus said, exactly, "This is my body." Darren> We'll presume that what he said was totally without error and Darren> absolutely true. What can we be certain of? Not much. Darren> At the moment he stops speaking, and people start Darren> interpreting, the possibility of error appears. Did he mean Darren> that literally or not? We do not have any record that he Darren> elaborated on the words. Was he thinking of Tran- or Con- Darren> substantiation? He didn't say. Darren is almost at the point of making a very Lutheran statement about the Lord's supper. The Lutheran approach is to say that if Jesus said, "This is my body," then that is what we should believe. Other interpretations are rejected simply because they are not taught in Scripture. Recall that Jesus' words do not stand alone on this subject. We also have Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 11:17-34,--in which he passed on to us, what he received from the Lord. In particular he said, "For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes." By these words we should believe that the bread that we eat in the Lord's Supper really is bread (as well as the Lord's body)--as our senses in fact tell us. Does this *prove* that tran-substantiation is false? I suppose someone could say that Paul spoke metaphorically of the Lord's body as bread, simply because that is the way the body appears when we eat it. But this thought is found nowhere in Scripture. So we reject it. Thus the primary reason for rejecting tran-substantiation is not that we can prove it false, but that it is simply not found in Scripture. [side remark] I've been told that the Lutheran doctrine on real presence is con-substantiation. But it has been non-Lutherans who have told me this. We tend not to use the word. I almost think that this is used more by professors of comparative religion, who need labels to compare Catholic, Lutheran and Reformed teachings on the Lord's Supper. But almost every church wants to call their own teaching "real presence" because that was the traditional teaching of the church. [end side remark] Darren> When Christians speak as if they believe their own reasoning Darren> can never lead them astray -- when we implicitly claim that we Darren> are infallible -- the non- Christians around us rarely believe Darren> that implicit claim. Witnessing is hardly going to work when Darren> the person you are talking to believes that you are either too Darren> foolish to recognise your own limits, or intentionally trying Darren> to cover them up. This is precisely why Christians should not rely on rationalizations in their witnessing. It is far better to take the approach, "I'd like to show you what Scripture says. You decide for yourself whether to believe it or not." Darren> `REXLEX' suggested that people read _He is There and He is Not Darren> Silent_, by Francis Schaeffer. I didn't think very highly of Darren> it, but I think that Mr Schaeffer is grossly overrated by many Darren> Evangelical Christians. Somebody else might like it, though, Darren> so don't let my opinion stop you from reading it. Darren> If someone is interested in my opinion, I'd suggest _On Darren> Certainty_, by Ludwig Wittgenstein. As long as we're trading references, I'd like to suggest Dr. Siegbert Becker's paperback, "The Foolishness of God: The place of reason in Lutheran theology," published by Northwestern Publishing House. This book was based on Becker's doctoral thesis at the University of Chicago.

soc.religion.christian

I'm planning to buy a new VLB/EISA system with a good graphic performance. So far I looked at the ATI GUP VLB as my favorite graphics-card. But recently I heard something about a new card from Miro. It was the Miro Crystal 24s with 3 MB and True Color support up to 1024x768. It costs just a little more than the ATI. So, can't decide which one matches better my needs. Any technical references and performance comparisons (especially from the Miro card) would be greatly appreciated. -Peter- E-Mail : kohut1@urz.unibas.ch

comp.graphics

long The NRA is successful because (among a number of things), on the drop of a hat, they can get a congresspersons office flooded with postcards, faxes and phone calls. Certainly, with our way-cool Internet powers of organization, we can act in the same way, if such action is appropriate. As long as we are kept informed of events, anyone on this bboard can make a call to action. Hopefully, we're a strong enough community to act on those calls. I realize this is a little optomistic, and I'm glad EFF is working in the loop on these issues, but don't underestimate the potential of the net for political action.

sci.crypt

Does anyone have the addresses to any of the following hockey teams located in the Czech/Slovak Republics, Finland, Russia or Sweden? Any information on how to find these addresses would also be appreciated. Aik Assat Brynas Budejovice Chelabinsk Djurgarden Dynamo Eskulap Espoo Farjestad Frolunda HPK HV-71 Hifk Ilves JYP HT Jihlava Jokerit Jokp Kalpa Khimik Kladno Kristall Lada Leksand Litvinov Lukko Lulea Malmo Metallurg Modo Olomouc Pardubice Red Army Rogle Skoda Slovan Soviet Wings Sparta Spartak TPS Tappara Trencin Tuto Vantaa Vasteras Yaroslavl Zlin

rec.sport.hockey

And another one: Hasn't enyone heard of a leader's recon? This is when the leader of the assult goes and looks at the objective to see if anything has changed that would affect the mission. Even the Freshman cadets here in ROTCland know about them. Mostly because they know it as the part where they lie on the cold ground for an hour or so, but they've heard about it. Maybe the ATF should have hired out to the local ROTC guys! -- Andrew Diederich diederic@spot.colorado.edu

talk.politics.guns

Whats the difference between a V.32bis modem and a V.32bis modem? I'm not being entirely silly here: what I'm pointing out is that the modems that they have already approved for data transmission will work just fine to transmit scrambled vocoded voice. -- Perry Metzger pmetzger@shearson.com

sci.crypt

I agree, although I would have no idea how to go about doing it. But you've got my vote. --I'm outta here like Vladimir --Alan

rec.sport.baseball

A new alternative to Scouting for those "unacceptable to BSA" for reasons of religious or sexual preference: From: "BOYD R. CRITZ, III" <71611.365@CompuServe.COM> Subject: EnviroLeague "Birth Announcement" on March 7, 1993, from EARTH Forum, CompuServe Information Service =================================================================== FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT ------------------- (SM) EnviroLeague A new youth movement,"EnviroLeague," was recently born, according to its founder, Boyd R. Critz, III (CIS ID# 71611,365), of Peoria, Illinois. EnviroLeague exists for the education of youth, both male and female, in matters concerning their values related to and responsibility for our environment. Incorporated as an Illinois not-for-profit corporation, its Articles and initial applications for a service mark have now been filed. According to Critz, its draft Bylaws contain the following statement of Mission and Objectives: MISSION It is the Mission of EnviroLeague and its adult members to foster and implement the improved education of young people in the need to conduct their lives as Stewards of The Earth, to leave The Earth in a better condition than they found it, and to otherwise act as responsible, moral and ethical users of their environment. To pursue the accomplishment of this Mission, EnviroLeague shall seek to serve as a catalyst, focusing in common cause the separate efforts of all groups desiring the preservation, improvement, and responsible use of the environment in which we must all live. OBJECTIVES In pursuit of the Mission of EnviroLeague, its primary objectives shall be: (1) To establish a Movement involving as many environmentally concerned organizations as possible, said Movement having as its primary focus the education and participatory involvement of young people in appropriate areas of environmental concern; (2) To develop and provide to such organizations and their branches a full complement of program materials for their use, including suitable uniforms, insignia and other badges, written ideas, syllabi and information, literature and other items as shall seem appropriate and desirable; (3) To serve as a "clearing house" for the exchange of program ideas, materials and information among said organizations; and (4) To assist environmentally concerned organizations to recruit and train the necessary adult leadership for their youth programs. EnviroLeague will operate through three "Program Divisions" serving youth in the elementary, middle and high school grades, respectively. Service shall be through formation of "EnviroLeague Teams," either by EnviroLeague itself or by environmentally conscious organizations (or their local branches) wishing a charter to use programs developed by EnviroLeague. EnviroLeague, as it develops, will be controlled by the actual adult leaders of each local Team, and will have no nationally imposed obstacles to membership or adult leadership status not based upon relevant improper conduct. Organizations accepting a charter may, however, impose certain additional standards for their own use of the program material. Should such organizations do so, EnviroLeague will commit itself to forming, as soon as possible, new nearby Teams having no such restrictions, particularly as to youth membership. EnviroLeague will operate on the principle that youth will have much to contribute to developing its programs. Thus, the top youth leaders of its Teams for middle and high school youth may become involved in governing any local administrative groups, and those for its high school youth may be involved in similar functions at the national level. Program materials are in development at this time. Copies of the "draft" portions of the Mentor's Manual (manual for adult leadership) will be in the EARTH Forum, Library 17. These files will be updated as development takes place. CompuServe is particularly proud that EnviroLeague's founder chose this electronic medium to make the first public announcement of its formation. This announcement is being made simultaneously in both the OUTDOOR and EARTH Forums. The electronic home of EnviroLeague is in CompuServe's Earth Forum - GO EARTH - message and library areas 17, both named "EnviroLeague." ============================================================================ Subsequently, EnviroLeague's Initial Governance Council has held its first meeting. Boyd Critz was elected as the first EnviroLeague Chief Guardian (equivalent to Chairman of the Board or CEO). He can be reached at home (309) 675-4483 in case of real need. Also, mail can be addressed to: EnviroLeague P.O. Box 418 Peoria, IL 61651-0418 Those interested in starting an EnviroLeague Team might just establish contact, to receive a diskette (IBM DOS, ASCII) with initial information. --

alt.atheism

Though some may argue about the nose of the camel, it's worth noting that the government proposal is limited to scrambled telephony. If it is only used for that purpose, and does not extend to electronic mail or file encryption, then it IS an improvement over the current mass-produced standard civilian technology which, with a few exceptions, is limited to easy-to-break inverters. Note that the big issue for the feds is the continued ability to wiretap. Before we go off the deep end with long discusions about secure crypto for e-mail and files, let's focus on this. One question that was not asked in the release is whether this proposal is limited to telephony, or if the government intends to expand it. Though I share many of the concerns expressed by some, I find the proposal less threatening than many others, since right now most Americans have no secure telephony, and any jerk with a pair of clip leads and a "goat" can eavesdrop. This would also plug up the security hole in cellular and cordless phones. ------- Reading between the lines, I infer that the system is highly secure without access to the keys. This would meet the needs of U.S. businesses confronted by rich and powerful adversaries, including French and Japanese security services and rich Japanese companies. It allows the NSA to make available some of its better stuff while protecting law enforcement needs. Most legitimate U.S. corporations trust the NSA, and would be delighted to have a high-security system certified by them, even at the price of depositing keys in escrow. I see no difficulty in creating a reliable escrow. Corporations entrust their secrets to attorneys every day of the week, and that system has worked pretty well. From my point of view this is a fair starting point. There are concerns that need to be addressed, including the reliability of the escrows. But in return we get access to high-security crypto. Many have suggested that DES and other systems may be breakable by the NSA and hence others similarly skilled and endowed. There is at least a good possibility (which should be checked) that the proposed system is not so breakable. It doesn't have to be, nor does it have to have trapdoors, if the government can get the keys pursuant to a legitimate court order. Thus they can protect legitimate communications against economic adversaries, while still being able to eavesdrop on crooks pursuant to a court order. ------ In discussing this, let's try to avoid the nastiness, personal attacks and noise of some previous threads. This is a substantive and technical issue, and personal remarks have no place in such a discussion.

sci.crypt

:I recently had a case of shingles and my doctors wanted to give me :intravenous Acyclovir. : :It was a pain finding IV sites in my arms...can I have some facts about :how advantageous it is to give intravenous antibiotics rather than oral? : I think some essential information must be missing here, i.e., you must be suffering from a condition which has caused immunosuppression. There is no indication for IV acyclovir for shingles in an otherwise healthy person. The oral form can help to reduce the length of symptoms, and may even help prevent the development of post-herpetic neuralgia, but I certainly would not subject someone to IV therapy without a good reason. To address your more general question, IV therapy does provide higher and more consistently high plasma and tissue levels of a drug. For treating a serious infection this is the only way to be sure that a patient is getting adequate drug levels.

sci.med

Too many clues, not enough substance. You ask a lot of good questions, though, but they are questions *you* should be worried about, not me. I'm not the inerrantist here. Let me know when you are ready to get serious.

talk.religion.misc

**************************************************************** * ////// ---------------------- * // // "Electronic Networking For / PsychNet.Com / * ////// "Professional Psychology." /Serving Psychologists/ * // sychNet (1-800-541-2598) / World Wide / *// ----------------------- ************************************************************ It's an experiment, place a not so subliminal, slightly cagey message in front of a viewer and see how long it takes to create a response, and what was the response... It was the same thing with the "Blow me" message, only it had a quicker response time...and some unexpected responses along with the expectedly negative ones... Anyone see how long that took? Yours, in jest... Tom T

misc.forsale

The federal government has mandated that all passenger cars by model year '95 return to the floor mounted dimmer switch. A study by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has found that an unacceptable percentage of after dusk collisions were the direct result of unskilled drivers getting their left foot stuck in the steering wheel :-) -- Ron Gaskins c23reg@koptsw21.delcoelect.com Automotive Electronic Systems Delco Electronics GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904

rec.autos

I hear George Bush (remember him?) will receive an honors degree from some Kuwaiti University for contributing to certain Kuwaiti interests not too long ago. Do you think it would add much to his resume? ;-)

comp.windows.x

Anyone familiar with this video card? What chipset does the winjet use - S3? As I am in the market for a VLG video card, what is the best chipset among S3, Cirrus Logic and Tseng Lab (ATI is out of the question - too expensive) ?

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

Is erythromycin effective in treating pneumonia?

sci.med

09 Apr 93, Jill Anne Daley writes to All: JAD> What exactly is a definition of sin and what are some examples. How does JAD> a person know when they are committing sin? To answer briefly: sin is falling short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23) Steve

soc.religion.christian

Unless I've got my notes mixed up, 939 F.2d 499 comes close to this. Regular guy. Blue-collar worker at a regular company. Hauled into court. Convicted. Appeals to 7th circuit. Makes all the right arguments (his brief is cited by Mr. Teel as an example of a "winning" brief). Shot down, 3-zip by the 7th circuit. Appeals to the Supreme Court. And... ...Certiorari denied. Defendant goes to jail. Oh well.

talk.politics.misc

Hi. I am working on a project for my marketing class and I'd like to ask your help. The assignment is to come up with a product and create a marketing plan for it. Technical issues are not terribly important at this point. Well, my group's plan is to market a "full page" monitor for laptop computers. It would be a third-party product to be installed by authorized repair centers (like Newer Technology's PaletteBook screen). The idea is that the screen would fold in such a way that you would get twice the screen height of a normal screen (remember, technical issues aside!). In fact, by adjusting the fold of the screen and the monitor configuration, you could have regular OR "full" height. The screen would probably be monochrome. The motivation behind this is that laptop computers seem to be very popular among business people. Business people also commonly use word processing and spreadsheet applications for which it is very convenient to see a large portion of the document. Because of the target users and applications, color screens aren't really a neccessity. We could hopefully keep the cost between $2000 and $3000. Now, please don't write this off as completely ridiculous. I really need some constructive feedback. So, if you would, please reply to me via email and let me know: 1. If you would consider buying a "full page" laptop screen 2. How much you would be willing to pay for it 3. Any helpful commentaries on the idea Also, if you take this idea and make a lot of money off it (doubtful, but who knows!), please send me some. Thanks in advance!!!

comp.sys.mac.hardware

If you don't already know it, you should call the bank/credit union/ finance company that holds the loan on your present car and get the current payoff cost. If you are trading in your current car on the new car, subtract the payoff amount from the trade-in the dealer is giving you. (If this turns out to be a negative number, you need to reconsider the deal.) Subtract this difference from the price of the new car. This is the size of the loan you will need for the new car. The dealer will take care of paying off the loan on your old car out of the money you give them when you pick up your new car. At least that's how it worked for me 5 years ago in Ohio...

rec.autos

soc.religion.christian

>Hi... what alternatives to the Express modem do Duo owners have (if >they want to go at least 9600 baud)? >Every place in town says they are back ordered, and part of the reason >I want a laptop mac is so I can use it as a remote terminal from >wherever I am, but I really would hate to have to wait 2 months to get >a modem in or have to settle with 2400 baud. If Apple didn't put out such a good product -- I'd gladly take my business to -- to -- the 8-bit Ataris. I think the situation with the Express modem is inexusable for any business. I've had mine on order since January. Apple finally called me last week -- to tell me that I should have it "by the second week of May." In the meantime, I've been stuck with my Duo210 without the connectability I needed it for. I'm sure there are plenty of people who can bite back at me, citing all sorts of reasons why Apple is right or at least justified, but I'm just a crabby consumer and when I order a "Duo210 with modem" that's the product I expect. Oh, well. It's not like it's limited to the computer biz. Remember when the Miata came out? What about those Cabbage Patch Dolls? Well, I want my toy! ;) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Kenneth Simon Dept of Sociology, Indiana University Internet: KSSIMON@INDIANA.EDU Bitnet: KSSIMON@IUBACS

comp.sys.mac.hardware

Hi! Everyone, Since some people quickly solved the problem of determining a sphere from 4 points, I suddenly recalled a problem which is how to find the ellipse from its offset. For example, given 5 points on the offset, can you find the original ellipse analytically? I spent two months solving this problem by using analytical method last year, but I failed. Under the pressure, I had to use other method - nonlinear programming technique to deal with this problem approximately. Any ideas will be greatly appreciated. Please post here, let the others share our interests.

comp.graphics

Depending on how you plan to use your SUV, I might recommend also browsing Trailer Boats and one or more of those Pickup, Shotgun, and 4WD magazines. The car rags mostly seem to consider recently graded pea gravel to be offroading and ten sacks of redwood chips to be a bedload. Considering that most of these SUVs seem to be used mostly as robust station wagons, that's probably not a bad approach, but if your applications are more demanding, pick your information sources accordingly. Of the three vehicles on your short list (Explorer, 4Runner, Pathfinder), I'd recommend the 4Runner as being closely based on a rather robust pickup and the Explorer for being comfortably carlike. Don't know much about the Pathfinder.

rec.autos

Right on, it is every citizen's right and duty to FORCE government accountability. (anecdotes deleted) Also keep in mind that cops will LIE in court to get their way! (don't get me started by asking how I know ;) If you decide to fight you have to be ready for this as well as devise strategy to make the cop's story doubtful in the judge/jury's mind.

rec.motorcycles

Not completly true. For AT class and later machines, IRQ5 is reserved for LPT2. Since it's rare to have a second parallel port in a PC, it's usually a good safe choice if you need an interrupt. On the other hand, we just ran into a problem with that here at work on a Gateway computer (4DX-33V). It has a Modem on COM1, a Mouse on COM2, and the other serial port was set to COM3 (which normally uses the same interrupt as COM1). We had a real fight with a board when trying to use IRQ5, and discoverd the problem was that Gateway had set it up such that COM3 used IRQ5. As soon as we disabled COM3, our problems went away. Grumble ... after several days of trying to figure out why the interrupt didn't work.

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

Yes, I do. My argument is that the sole purpose of the death penalty is to kill people. That is it's primary (and I would argue only) purpose. To continue to kill people by a practice that has almost no utility, especially when you know you will be killing innocents, is unconscionable. At the very least, the existence of the prison system and our transportation system are based on their merits to society, not their detriments. We are willing to accept a few lost innocent lives because there is an overwhelming benefit to the continued existence of these systems. One has to stretch the evidence and the arguments to make the same claim for capital punishment. Just in case I wasn't clear again: We maintain a capital punsihment system that kills innocent people and provides us with no net positive gain. Why? Were you to pin me in a corner and ask, I would have to respond that I don't belief the state should have the right to take life at all. But I won't open that debate, as it seems others are tiring of this thread on a.a anyway. /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away, and sank Manhattan out at sea.

alt.atheism

If Brad's analysis is correct, it may offer an explanation for why the encryption algorithm is being kept secret. This will prevent competitors from coming out with Clipper-compatible phones which lack the government- installed "back door." The strategy Brad describes will only work as long as the only way to get compatible phones is to have ones with the government chips. (It would be nice, from the point of view of personal privacy, if Brad turns out to be right. As long as people still have the power to provide their own encryption in place of or in addition to the Clipper, privacy is still possible. But the wording of several passages in the announcement makes me doubt whether this will turn out to be true.)

sci.crypt

[In looking through my files this weekend, I ran across some lyrics from various rock groups that have content. Here are two from Black Sabbath's "Master of Reality". I'll say this much for the music of the '60's and early '70's, at least they asked questions of significance. Jethro Tull is another to asked and wrote about things that caused one to wonder. --Rex] AFTER FOREVER Have you ever thought about your soul-- can it be saved? Or perhaps you think that when you're dead you just stay in you grave. Is God just a thought within you read in a book when you were at school? When you think about death Do you lose your breath Or do you keep your cool? Would you like to see the Pope on the end of a rope? Do you think he's a fool? Well I have seen the truth. Yes I have seen the light and I've changed my ways. And I'll be prepared When you're lonely and scared at the end of your days. Could it be you're afraid of what your friends might say If they knew you believed in God above? They should realize before they criticise That God is the only way to love. Is your mind so small that you have to fall In with the pack wherever they run? Will you still sneer when death is near And say they may as well worship the sun? I think it was true -it was people like you that crucified Christ. I think it is sad the opinion you had was the only one voiced. Will you be so sure when your day is near to say you don't believe? You had the chance but you turned it down now you can't retrieve. Perhaps you'll think before you say that God is dead & gone Open your eyes, just realize that He is the one. The only one who can save you now from all this sin and hate. Or will you still jeer at all you hear? Yes! I think it's too late. LORD OF THIS WORLD

soc.religion.christian

I don't think FD is a problem. Since FD is much sloooooooowwwwwwer than HD, the overhead of double buffering doesn't matter. Ken Nakata

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

We have a setup with with 13 polaroid transducers and rangefinders. We would like to fire these three at a time with about 5 ms between firings. The three that are being fired do not fire in the same direction. To further explain the situation, assume we are firing sonars A,B,C 5 ms apart each other. We should normally see an echo on A that corresponds to the distance. However, sonar A detects the INIT line of sonar B! The detection is actually through the transducer of sonar A; we can see a very faint 50Khz signal on the transducer, exactly at the time the init line of sonar B is activated. We feel that there is some ground coupling that is causing this interference. We came to this conclusion since we are using a separate power supply for sonars B and C. Has anyone else had any problems with these particular units and this type of experience? Your suggestions for remedies will be greatly appreciated.

sci.electronics

...deleted lines... As I live in Sweden I remember the day perfectly well. We changed side 1967-09-03 (or 03-SEP-1967). I don't remeber the exactly time but it was in the night. (in the 'big' cities like Stockholm & Gothenburg all trafic was forbidden, exept busses and taxis, during the whole weekend.) The day was a Sunday and everything was prepared in before. Before the day we was told to follow the yellow lines on the road and after it was the white one that matters. The signs with arrows on was prepared with a 'left mode' label that was torn off that night to reveal the new right mode arrow. The year after Iceland also changed. About cars: Before the H-day (H as in "Hoegertrafik". "hoeger" is Swedish and stands for 'right') practically all cars already had their steering wheels on the left side. Even the imported cars from UK had the wheel on 'the right side'. At last we have cars with the wheels on the right side. :-) More contries that uses the left side is: Japan Tanzania (I think) New Zeeland How about South Africa? BTW. Some sais that the left side is the right side because Ivanhoe and other knights meet at the left when they fight in tournaments. :-) ...deleted lines...

rec.autos

Hi. I am having some interesting problems with my Boca graphics card, which is based on the Cirrus Logic chipset (I am not sure exactly which one). The problem is as follows: If I use any Windows driver at 800x600 except for the 64K-colour driver (ie 16 colour or 256 colour), the image on screen becomes too tall - no amount of resizing on the monitor will make it fit. And if I use Excel with the 64K- colour driver, it hangs as soon as it loads. Anyone out there used this card/experienced anything similar. Please reply by mail, and I will post any solutions here. Regards - Simon --

comp.os.ms-windows.misc

: From: pmetzger@snark.shearson.com (Perry E. Metzger) : Indeed, were it not for the government doing everything possible to : stop them, Qualcomm would have designed strong encryption right in to : the CDMA cellular phone system they are pioneering. Were it not for : the NSA and company, cheap encryption systems would be everywhere. As : it is, they try every trick in the book to stop it. Had it not been : for them, I'm sure cheap secure phones would be out right now. In the UK, it's impossible to get approval to attach any crypto device to the phone network. (Anything that plugs in to our BT phone sockets must be approved - for some reason crypto devices just never are...) I was wondering some time ago how big a market there was for good old- fashion acoustic coupler technology to build a secure phone :-) ... is it possible to mask out all the real voice well enough so that none of it strays into the mouthpiece? Perhaps a well-sealed coupler attachment that was as well blocked as possible, then a white noise generator on the outside to muffle any real speech?

sci.crypt

Basically, there are two algorithms determining whether a point is inside, outside or on the polygon. The first one is Ray (or half line) method. In this method, you can draw any ray, if the number of the intersection point of the ray and the polygon is even, then it is outside. If the number is odd, then it is inside. Of cause, you have to deal with the special cases which may make you headache. The second method is PI algorithm. Draw the lines between the point and all the vertices on the polygon. Calculate and sum the angles of the successive lines. If the result is 2*PI, then it is inside. If PI, then it is on the polygon. Otherwise it is outside. My experience tells the second method is relible. Hope this helps.

comp.graphics

I am starting to work on a project using DDE to transfer data. The application came with an Excel macro which can transfer the data. I need to 'port' it to 1-2-3W. 1-2-3W uses a very different setup for DDE macros. Does anyone have any suggestions as to good references? I have downloaded "WW01117: Windows Dynamic Exchange (DDE)" [the MS Application Note]. Any books worth getting? The specifics are: Server application: Dionex AI-450 Chromatography Data System Client application: 1-2-3 for Windows V1.1 Except for the macro, Dionex did not provide any documentation for DDE. Also, I am having problems because I am trying to develop the application on my PC, but to actually get data, you need to be connect to the instrument. Any help here would be appreciated, too. Thanks, --

comp.os.ms-windows.misc

After the marvelous "time-out" call by Chris Webber (which resulted in a technical foul, since his team had no time-outs left) perhaps Webber will take the place of Bill Buckner as the master of choke. At least this Red Sox fan hopes so. Ted

rec.sport.baseball

: Logic alert - argument from incredulity. Just because it is hard for you : to believe this doesn't mean that it isn't true. Liars can be very pursuasive : just look at Koresh that you yourself cite. This is whole basis of a great many here rejecting the Christian account of things. In the words of St. Madalyn Murrey-O'Hair, "Face it folks, it's just silly ...". Why is it okay to disbelieve because of your incredulity if you admit that it's a fallacy?

alt.atheism

The Toshiba has a 200ms access time, the NEC has a 280ms access time, right around the Sony/Apple. Access time is, of course, somewhat important, but not as vital in the case of CDs as data transfer rate. All the drives are double-speed drives with maximum data transfer rates of 300K/second. Any is a good choice. Apple's is very cheap when included with new Macs and I agree with Christian's comment about drivers. Plus, Apple's is bootable on the Centris and Quadra 800. A very nice feature if you need to install System software. I don't know if the NEC or Toshiba are bootable on those machines.

comp.sys.mac.hardware

comp.sys.mac.hardware

Nope. Here in Northern California, a newspaper recently did a survey, asking if people favored stricter gun controls. A full 40% said no. Here, in one of the most Liberal (it wasn't always a swear word :( areas of the country, nearly half the people don't want additional controls, let alone revocation of RKBA... Misguided dolt though he may be (though, I still maintain, less dangerous than Bush), Clinton does not publicly support revoking the second amendment. Well, I'll help MY neighbors... Violent solutions are passe'? I take it you propose disarming the police, then? Please don't mention RKBA in the same breath as the KKK. RKBA is about being able to defend yourself and others, not about killing the innocent. Actually, your mention of the KKK is rather funny, considering that the first gun control law in the US were created specifically to disarm black people...

talk.politics.guns

CALL FOR PAPERS The Internet Society Symposium on Network and Distributed System Security 3-4 February 1994, Catamaran Hotel, San Diego, California The symposium will bring together people who are building software and hardware to provide network or distributed system security services. The symposium is intended for those interested in practical aspects of network and distributed system security, rather than in theory. Symposium proceedings will be published by the Internet Society. Topics for the symposium include, but are not limited to, the following: * Design and implementation of services--access control, authentication, availability, confidentiality, integrity, and non-repudiation --including criteria for placing services at particular protocol layers. * Design and implementation of security mechanisms and support services--encipherment and key management systems, authorization and audit systems, and intrusion detection systems. * Requirements and architectures for distributed applications and network functions--message handling, file transport, remote file access, directories, time synchronization, interactive sessions, remote data base management and access, routing, voice and video multicast and conferencing, news groups, network management, boot services, mobile computing, and remote I/O. * Special issues and problems in security architecture, such as -- very large systems like the international Internet, and -- high-speed systems like the gigabit testbeds now being built. * Interplay between security goals and other goals--efficiency, reliability, interoperability, resource sharing, and low cost. GENERAL CHAIR: Dan Nessett, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory PROGRAM CHAIRS: Russ Housley, Xerox Special Information Systems Rob Shirey, The MITRE Corporation PROGRAM COMMITTEE: Dave Balenson, Trusted Information Systems Tom Berson, Anagram Laboratories Matt Bishop, Dartmouth College Ed Cain, U.S. Defense Information Systems Agency Jim Ellis, CERT Coordination Center Steve Kent, Bolt, Beranek and Newman John Linn, Independent Consultant Clifford Neuman, Information Sciences Institute Michael Roe, Cambridge University Rob Rosenthal, U.S. National Institute of Standards and Technology Jeff Schiller, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Ravi Sandhu, George Mason University Peter Yee, U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration SUBMISSIONS: The committee seeks both original technical papers and proposals for panel discussions on technical and other topics of general interest. Technical papers should be 10-20 pages in length. Panels should include three or four speakers. A panel proposal must name the panel chair, include a one-page topic introduction authored by the chair, and also include one-page position summaries authored by each speaker Both the technical papers and the panel papers will appear in the proceedings. Submissions must be made by 16 August 1993. Submissions should be made via electronic mail to 1994symposium@smiley.mitre.org. Submissions may be in either of two formats: ASCII or PostScript. If the committee is unable to read a PostScript submission, it will be returned and ASCII requested. Therefore, PostScript submissions should arrive well before 16 August. If electronic submission is absolutely impossible, submissions should be sent via postal mail to Robert W. Shirey, Mail Stop Z202 The MITRE Corporation McLean, Virginia 22102-3481 USA All submissions must include both an Internet electronic mail address and a postal address. Each submission will be acknowledged through the medium by which it is received. If acknowledgment is not received within seven days, please contact either Rob Shirey <Shirey@MITRE.org> or Russ Housley <Housley.McLean_CSD@xerox.com>, or telephone Mana Weigand at MITRE in Mclean, 703-883-5397.

sci.crypt

"Deeply rooted rivalry?" Ahem, Jokerit have been around since 1967 and joined the top flight only in the early '70s. Helsingfors IFK have been around since 1897 but fans only started taking hockey seriously in the 1960s so I think you're exagerating here. That's a rather bold claim, in the light of how successful the Canadian & American Olympic teams have been . . . and they've had to play according to our set of rules and on international ice. The 1992 Olympic teams contained about as much talent as your average expansion team. Canada had Eric Lindros, Sean Burke, Joe Juneau and Chris Kontos. Another four or five have been deep subs in the NHL. As for the Yanks, Keith Tkachuk, Scott Lachance, Bret Hedican, Shawn McEachern, Steve Heintze, Ted Donato, Joe Sacco and Bill Guerin have been 3rd/4th line players in the NHL, while Robb Stauber has done well for the Kings in goal. Nothing more. In fact, I'm sure that an All-Star team assembled from the best Finnish League teams would do no better in the NHL than Hartford or Tampa Bay currently are doing. --- But what happens if _all_ top-class Finnish & Swedish players gradually end up with Helsinki & Stockholm as the North American-based ones gradually retire and no Canadian/American team is allowed to draft new players from Scandinavia? Here is what THE HOCKEY NEWS scouts think of our NHL-based players: (28-30=superstar) (23-27=star) (18-22=NHL regular+) (13-17=NHL regular) ( 8-12=role player) FINLAND: D-Jyrki Lumme.......20 D-Teppo Numminen....20 D-Peter Ahola.......13 C-Jari Kurri........25 C-Christian Ruuttu..16 R-Teemu Selanne.....27 L-Esa Tikkanen......20 (Obviously, Selanne's ratings would be higher today than they were in January) SWEDEN: D-Ulf Samuelsson....21 D-Fredrik Olausson..20 D-Niklas Lidstrom...18 D-Calle Johansson...18 D-Kjell Samuelsson..17 D-Tommy Sjodin......13 D-Tommy Albelin......7 C-Mats Sundin.......26 C-Thomas Steen......18 R-Thomas Sandstrom..22 R-Ulf Dahlen........18 R-Michael Nylander..13 L-Per-Erik Eklund...18 L-Johan Garpenlov...16 L-Mikael Andersson..15 L-Jan Erixon........14 This would be interesting. Clearly, Finland's top five players (Winnipeg's Selanne & Numminen, Vancouver's Lumme, Los Angeles' Jari Kurri and New York's Tikkanen) are right up there with any five-man unit Pittsburgh & co. have. But I have my doubts about the home-based Finnish players - the national team did well in the Canada Cup and World Championships largely due to the efforts of Markus Ketterer (the goalie), 3-4 or the players listed above and luck. There's presumably a lot of decent players in Finland that wouldn't be superstars at the highest level but still valuable role players, however. My guess would be that the Finnish Canada Cup team would be a .500 team in the NHL. --- Sweden is easier to judge because they have more players in North America. Their points total (16 players) is 274 - seven more than Ottawa's 22 top players combined! If we estimate there are six more NHL regulars back home in Sweden, an all-Swedish team would assemble about 350-360 skill points. Deducting some points from Pittsburgh, NY Rangers and other teams that rely on Swedish players, the Swedish team would finish in sixth place - about as high as Boston, Vancouver, Calgary and Montreal on paper! So, the "dynasty" talk isn't completely unfounded here. An all-Finnish/all-Swedish team might have an advantage because the players would be playing at home half of the time, won't have to adapt to a foreign country and a foreign language, and presumably play the wide-open European variant of hockey rather than have to learn the North American checking game. However, if free agency becomes a factor the top Scandinavian players still might end up playing for large-market teams after a couple of years the same way Edmonton's "dynasty" crumbled in the late '80s. Some fringe players likely will be drafted by other NHL teams as having an exclusive talent pool might be a bit unfair after all. I'd settle for a compromise, prohibit all European teams from signing a North American during the first two rounds but allow them to keep their top two players. After this, the amateur draft should be open to anyone.

rec.sport.hockey

[good points on buddhism, etc. deleted] just because one says christianity -- true christianity -- is hard to follow faithfully does NOT mean that one discounts the validity and difficulty of other religions. i admire those of any religion who are willing to make the kind of sacrifices and dedicate themselves spiritually in the way you are talking about. [more deleted] do you think this is what christianity is all about? not all christians believe in this particular story literally. it sounds above like you are supporting a policy of "to each his own" -- here is another example of that. if it helps someone's faith to take every word of the bible literally, i support and respect that, too. please don't judge all of christianity by one man. the only man one can truly judge all of christianity by is jesus (makes sense, right?). i think his point about how we put our lives into little boxes is very true -- what does your comment about robertson have to do with that? i was raised agnostic -- my father was never baptised and was raised atheist. he is not an atheist because he found a close-mindedness present in the viewpoint of his parents equal to the close-mindedness he found in the viewpoint of the christians he came in contact with. thus i was _free_ to choose how to live my life, and he supported the decision i made to join the episcopal church, although he emphasized to me that his respect for my beliefs should result in my not intruding on his beliefs, ie, i should not try to convert him, as that is his decision. (please, no flames or advice on how to convert him!) one of my good friends is hindi and i greatly respect her beliefs and the culture surrounding her religion. my best friend is jewish and i have always held a profound resepct for the jewish religion (chaim potok and isaac bashevis singer are two of my favorite authors). i really do not think you can make that kind of generalization about how christians choose -- and i do mean CHOOSE-- their faith. if they have not consciously accepted the faith in their adult lives (which is what confirmation represents), THEN you can talk about their being brainwashed.

soc.religion.christian

I think you will find that the Mac SE can PRINT grayscale images, loaded with the proper software. However, the Mac SE cannot DISPLAY grayscale on its screen or any attached video because that ability is not in the ROM. So, while you might be able to PRINT grayscale, you'd have a hard time SEEING the grayscale image you want to print. Doug

comp.sys.mac.hardware

This is the official Request for Discussion (RFD) for the creation of two new newsgroups for Microsoft Windows NT. This is a second RFD, replacing the one originally posted in January '93 (and never taken to a vote). The proposed groups are described below: NAME: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.setup STATUS: Unmoderated. PURPOSE: Discussions about setting up and installing Windows NT, and about system and peripheral compatability issues for Windows NT. NAME: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc STATUS: Unmoderated. PURPOSE: Miscellaneous non-programming discussions about using Windows NT, including issues such as security, networking features, console mode and Windows 3.1 (Win16) compatability. RATIONALE: Microsoft NT is the newest member of the Microsoft Windows family of operating systems (or operating environments for those who wish to argue about the meaning of an "OS"). The family ranges from Modular Windows through Windows 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups to Windows NT at the high end. To date, Microsoft has shipped over 50,000 beta copies and pre-release SDKs of Windows NT -- the actual release is slated for May/June '93. While Windows NT has an entirely new design internally, it shares an application programming interface with the other members of the Windows family; its Win32 API includes the Win16 API used in Win- dows 3.1, and the Win32s API subset (Win32 less threads, networking and security) can be used to create 32-bit applications for Windows 3.1. The user interface is also practically identical to that of Windows 3.1, with the addition of logins and a few other features. It uses Program Manager, File Manager and other applets, and generally pre- sents an identical appearance to the user. Many of the announced Windows NT applications are ports of existing Windows 3.1 apps, and NT also runs existing 3.1 applications. Thus, it appears logical that Windows NT should share the following groups with the other members of the Windows family: comp.os.ms-windows.apps comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.tools comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.win32 The following groups are also clearly applicable to Windows NT as well as Windows 3.1: comp.os.ms-windows.announce comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy In conclusion, the only clear argument for the separation of the Windows 3.1 and Windows NT hierarchies is different internal structures of Windows 3.1 and Windows NT. And yet operating systems such as OS/2, Macintosh OS, Xenix and Coherent all have undergone major rewrites without having been split into separate newsgroup hierarchies. Further, Windows 3.1 is due for a major rewrite itself in 1994 -- when the fully 32-bit, protected-mode and with-DOS-built-in next- generation Windows, "Chicago", debuts next year, surely it should remain in the same hierarchy. And what, then, would be the jus- tification for separating Windows NT from other Windows versions? DISCUSSION PERIOD: The discussion period will run from 27 April, 1992 to 18 May, 1993. VOTING: The CFV (Call for Votes) will be issued around 19 May, 1993, based on the feedback received during the discussion period. No votes will be accepted prior to the CFV.

comp.os.ms-windows.misc

NJ> : >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded, NJ> : >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other NJ> : >team captain trivia would be appreciated. Mike Foligno was captain of the Buffalo Sabres when he was traded to Toronto.

rec.sport.hockey

Sorry!! :-) Call the four points A, B, C and D. Any three of them must be non-collinear (otherwise all three could not lie on the surface of a sphere) and all four must not be coplaner (otherwise either they cannot all lie on a sphere or they define an infinity of them). A, B and C define a circle. The perpendicular bisectors of AB, BC and CA meet in a point (P, say) which is the centre of this circle. This circle must lie on the surface of the desired sphere. Consider the normal to the plane ABC passing through P. All points on this normal are equidistant from A, B and C and its circle (in fact it is a diameter of the desired sphere). Take the plane containing this normal and D (if D lies on the normal any plane containing the normal will do); this plane is at right angles to the ABC one. Let E be the point (there are normally two of them) on the circumference of the ABC circle which lies in this plane. We need a point Q on the normal such that EQ = DQ. But the intersection of the perpendicular bisector of ED and the normal is such a point (and it exists since D is not in the plane ABC, and so ED is not at right angles to the normal). Algorithm: Is the sphere well defined? (1) Check that A and B are not coincident (=> failure). (2) Find the line AB and check that C does not lie on it (=> failure). (3) Find the plane ABC and check that D does not lie in it (=> failure). Yes. Find its centre. (1) Find the perpendicular bisectors of AB and AC. (2) Find their point of intersection (P). (3) Find the normal to the plane ABC passing through P (line N). (4) Find the plane containing N and D; find the point E on the ABC circle in this plane (if D lies on N, take E as A). (4) Find the perpendicular bisector of ED (line L) (5) Find the point of intersection of N and L (Q). Q is the centre of the desired sphere Pictures: (1) In the plane ABC A P B C (2) At right-angles to ABC, in the plane containing N and D E D line N --------------------P-------------Q--------------------------- Numerically: If ED << EP then Q will be very close to P (relative to the radius of the ABC circle) and subject to error. It's best to choose D so that the least of AD, BD and CD is larger than for any other choice.

comp.graphics

General question: Since the world was discovered to be round, the definition of Saturday is, if not ambiguous, at least arbitrary. How would someone answer this? Also, when the calendar was changed (Gregorian to Julian?) was the day of the week changed or just the date? Once again this points to the arbitrariness of the days. Chris Mussack

soc.religion.christian

Fret not, you made it. Not while we still have our guns. <evil grin> Hey, gang, it's not about duck hunting, or about dark alleys, it's about black-clad, helmeted and booted troops storming houses and violating civil rights under color of law. Are YOU ready to defend YOUR Constitution?

talk.politics.guns

First off, I haven't used W4WG (but I think that's about to change!). The problem is the LASTDRIVE command and the way NetWare in general (and in this case NETX in particular) adds drives to the device chain. Setting LASTDRIVE=Z means there are no "unassigned" (as opposed to "unused") drive letters for NetWare to use, as it tacks its drive mappings -onto the end- of the existing list of drives. W4WG obviously attaches its network drives to "existing, unused" drive letters. I'd guess the next thing I'd try is something like LASTDRIVE=M, which on most machines will leave a fair swathe of drives for W4WG and still allow up to 13 NetWare drive mappings as well.

comp.os.ms-windows.misc

You may want to inquire about taking Lupron as a medication. It's supposed to be a new treatment, and it's described in Nov. 1992 issue of J. of Obst. and Gyn.

sci.med

I missed the first part of this thread; are you switching line level or speaker level audio? If line level, there's a single chip 4x1 *stereo* audio switch available that switches 4 two-channel inputs into 1 two-channel output, and also has a mute function, all controllable with ttl inputs. LM1037, I think? If speaker level, never mind. :(

sci.electronics

I have between 15 and 25 nosebleeds each week, as a result of a genetic predisposition to weak capillary walls (Osler-Weber-Rendu). Fortunately, each nosebleed is of short duration. Does anyone know of any method to reduce this frequency? My younger brothers each tried a skin transplant (thigh to nose lining), but their nosebleeds soon returned. I've seen a reference to an herb called Rutin that is supposed to help, and I'd like to hear of experiences with it, or other techniques.

sci.med

If there is anyone attending the ISSA conference in Arlington, VA next week, I would appreciate them getting in touch with me.

sci.crypt

David

rec.sport.hockey

If anyone has the current Moto Guzzi National Owners Club address please e-mail it to me. Thanks in advance! T.K.

rec.motorcycles

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rec.sport.baseball

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First # of Last Team Div Season Cups Cup Net Contacts --------------------- --- ------ ---- ------ ---------------------- ** Anaheim Mighty Ducks - 93-94 - - Kris Myers kris@fs2.assist.uci.edu Boston Bruins A 24-25 5 71-72 Buffalo Sabres A 70-71 0 - Jeff Horvath jhorvath@macc.wisc.edu Calgary Flames S 80-81* 1 88-89 CALDWELL8102@mtroyal.ab.ca Chicago Blackhawks N 26-27 3 60-61 John Scholvin scholvin@casbah.acns.nwu.edu Detroit Red Wings N 33-34* 7 54-55 SGLENN@cmsa.gmr.com Edmonton Oilers S 79-80* 5 89-90 Andrew Scott andrew@idacom.hp.com Hartford Whalers A 79-80* 0 - Matthew Olsen dmolsen@athena.mit.edu Los Angeles Kings S 67-68 0 - Stan Willis willis@empire.dnet.hac.com Minnesota North Stars N 67-68* 0 - Mitch McGowan hamlet@u.washington.edu Montreal Canadiens A 17-18 22 85-86 New Jersey Devils P 82-83* 0 - New York Islanders P 72-73 4 82-83 Mark Anania ananim@rpi.edu New York Rangers P 26-27 3 39-40 Paul Romano romano@monolith.bellcore.com Ottawa Senators A 92-93 0 - Scott Simpson simpson@bnr.ca Philadelphia Flyers P 67-68 2 74-75 Pete Clark seth@hos1cad.att.com Pittsburgh Penguins P 67-68 2 91-92 Lori Iannamico lli+@cs.cmu.edu Thomas Sullivan tms@cs.cmu.edu Quebec Nordiques A 79-80* 0 - St. Louis Blues N 67-68 0 - Joseph Achkar jca2@cec1.wustl.edu San Jose Sharks S 91-92 0 - Nelson Lu claudius@leland.stanford.edu ** South Florida - 93-94 - - Tampa Bay Lightning N 92-93 0 - Tom Wilson wilson@eola.cs.ucf.edu Toronto Maple Leafs N 26-27* 11 66-67 Darryl Gamble darryl@cs.yorku.ca Vancouver Canucks S 70-71 0 - Alan Chim chim@sfu.ca Washington Capitals P 74-75 0 - David Lu david@eng.umd.edu Winnipeg Jets S 79-80* 0 - umturne4@ccu.umanitoba.ca A=Adams N=Norris P=Patrick S=Smythe *Calgary: formerly Atlanta Flames (72/73-79/80) Detroit: formerly Detroit Cougars (26/27-29/30) -> Detroit Falcons (30/31-32/33) Edmonton: formerly Alberta Oilers (WHA) (72/73) -> Edmonton Oilers (WHA) (72/73-78/79) Hartford: formerly New England Whalers (WHA) (72/73-78/79) Minnesota: Cleveland Barons were merged with Minnesota for the 1978/79 season. New Jersey: formerly Kansas City Scouts (74/75-75/76) -> Colorado Rockies (76/77-81/82) Quebec: formerly Quebec Nordiques (WHA) (72/73-78/79) Toronto: formerly Toronto Arenas (17/18-18/19) -> Toronto St. Patricks (19/20-25/26) Winnipeg: formerly Winnipeg Jets (WHA) (72/73-78/79) Teams with mailing lists, see section 5 for addresses: Boston, Buffalo, Los Angeles, Montreal, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, St. Louis, San Jose, Tampa Bay, Vancouver, Washington. ----- - Schedule 1992-1993 Schedule for the NHL April Sun Mon Tue Wed Thu Fri Sat +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ ! ! ! ! ! 1 ! 2 ! 3 ! ! ! ! ! !Min @ Cal!Mon @ Was!Buf @ Bos! ! ! ! ! !Det @ Chi!NYI @ NYR!Cal @ SJ ! ! ! ! ! !Har @ Pit! !Chi @ StL! ! ! ! ! !Que @ Ott! !Van @ Det! ! ! ! ! !Tor @ Phi! !Win @ Edm! ! ! ! ! !Win @ SJ ! !Ott @ Har! ! ! ! ! !Van @ TB ! !Min @ LA ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !Mon @ NYI! ! ! ! ! ! ! !NJ @ Tor! ! ! ! ! ! ! !TB @ Phi! ! ! ! ! ! ! !Pit @ Que! +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ ! 4 ! 5 ! 6 ! 7 ! 8 ! 9 !10 ! !Bos @ Buf!Har @ NYR!Bos @ Que!Edm @ Van!Que @ Bos!Van @ Cal!Bos @ Mon! !Cal @ SJ ! !Buf @ Min!Har @ Ott!Chi @ NYI!Pit @ NYR!Buf @ Det! !StL @ Chi! !Cal @ LA !Mon @ Pit!Det @ TB ! !Chi @ TB ! !Pit @ NJ ! !Edm @ SJ !NYR @ NJ !SJ @ LA ! !Har @ Que! !NYR @ Was! !NYI @ Was! !Was @ Phi! !LA @ SJ ! !Van @ Ott! !Phi @ Win! !Tor @ Win! !StL @ Min! ! ! !StL @ TB ! ! ! !NJ @ Was! ! ! ! ! ! ! !Ott @ NYI! ! ! ! ! ! ! !NYR @ Pit! ! ! ! ! ! ! !Phi @ Tor! +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ !11 !12 !13 !14 !15 !16 !17 ! !Ott @ Bos!Was @ Mon!Mon @ Buf!Bos @ Ott!Phi @ Buf! ! ! !Que @ Buf!NYR @ Phi!Cal @ Edm!NYI @ Har!SJ @ Cal! ! ! !Cal @ Van! !Chi @ Min!Pit @ NJ !Tor @ Chi! ! ! !TB @ Chi! !LA @ Van!Was @ NYR!Min @ Det! ! ! !Win @ Edm! !Ott @ Que! !Edm @ Win! ! ! !Tor @ Har! !StL @ Tor! !Har @ NYI! ! ! !Min @ StL! !TB @ Win! !Van @ LA ! ! ! !NYI @ NJ ! ! ! !NJ @ Pit! ! ! ! ! ! ! !TB @ StL! ! ! +---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+ The season will begin on 10/6 and end on 4/15. Playoffs will begin on 4/18 and end on or before 6/14. 24 NHL regular season games will be played in non-NHL cities during 92-93 season. Cities: Milwaukee (2), Sacramento (2), Cleveland (2), Indianapolis, Phoenix, Miami, Oklahoma City, Dallas, Atlanta, Cincinnati, Providence, Peoria, Hamilton (4), Saskatoon (4), Halifax. Here is a chart showing the number of games between the teams (84 games each): N N N P P W B B H M O Q C D M S T T C E L S V W J Y Y h i a o u a o t u h e i t B o a d A J a i I R i t s s f r n t e i t n L r l m n n = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = NJ : - 7 7 7 9 7 4 4 4 3 4 4 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 NYI: 7 - 7 9 7 7 4 3 4 4 3 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 NYR: 7 7 - 7 7 9 3 4 3 4 3 4 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 Phi: 7 9 7 - 7 7 4 3 3 4 3 4 2 3 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 Pit: 9 7 7 7 - 7 5 4 3 3 4 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 Was: 7 7 9 7 7 - 3 4 4 3 4 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 Bos: 4 4 3 4 5 3 - 7 7 9 7 7 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 Buf: 4 3 4 3 4 4 7 - 9 7 7 7 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 Har: 4 4 3 3 3 4 7 9 - 7 7 7 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 Mon: 3 4 4 4 3 3 9 7 7 - 7 7 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 2 2 Ott: 4 3 3 3 4 4 7 7 7 7 - 9 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 3 Que: 4 3 4 4 3 3 7 7 7 7 9 - 2 2 2 2 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 Chi: 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 - 9 7 7 7 7 3 4 5 3 4 3 Det: 2 2 2 3 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 9 - 7 7 7 7 4 3 4 4 3 3 Min: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 7 7 - 9 7 7 4 4 3 3 5 4 StL: 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 7 7 9 - 7 7 4 3 3 3 4 4 TB : 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 7 7 7 7 - 9 3 4 3 4 3 4 Tor: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 3 7 7 7 7 9 - 4 3 4 4 3 3 Cal: 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 4 4 4 3 4 - 7 7 9 7 7 Edm: 2 3 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 4 3 4 3 4 3 7 - 7 7 7 9 LA : 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 5 4 3 3 3 4 7 7 - 7 9 7 SJ : 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 3 4 3 3 4 4 9 7 7 - 7 7 Van: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 2 2 2 4 3 5 4 3 3 7 7 9 7 - 7 Win: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 3 2 3 2 3 3 4 4 4 3 7 9 7 7 7 - Valerie Hammerl <hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu> has posted this year's version of nhl.c, a schedule program for NHL games. For example, users can find out the games played on a certain date or find out the next ten games played by team x. A copy can be obtained by e-mailing <hammerl@acsu.buffalo.edu> Following is the neutral site schedule: Tue 10/13: Calgary vs. Minnesota @ Saskatoon Tue 10/20: Ottawa vs. Toronto @ Hamilton Tue 11/03: Chicago vs. Washington @ Indianapolis Tue 11/17: Toronto vs. Quebec @ Hamilton Wed 11/18: Buffalo vs. New Jersey @ Hamilton Tue 12/01: Los Angeles vs. Chicago @ Milwaukee Tue 12/08: Montreal vs. Los Angeles @ Phoenix Wed 12/09: Tampa Bay vs. New York Rangers @ Miami Sun 12/13: Edmonton vs. New York Islanders @ Oklahoma City Tue 12/15: New York Islanders vs. St. Louis @ Dallas Mon 01/04: San Jose vs. Montreal @ Sacramento Mon 01/18: Hartford vs. Winnipeg @ Saskatoon Mon 02/08: Boston vs. Pittsburgh @ Atlanta Mon 02/08: St. Louis vs. Hartford @ Peoria Tue 02/16: Philadelphia vs. Calgary @ Cincinnati Sat 02/20: Quebec vs. Tampa Bay @ Halifax Mon 02/22: New York Rangers vs. San Jose @ Sacramento Mon 02/22: Detroit vs. Philadelphia @ Cleveland Tue 02/23: Winnipeg vs. Ottawa @ Saskatoon Mon 03/01: Vancouver vs. Buffalo @ Hamilton Thu 03/11: Minnesota vs. Vancouver @ Saskatoon Tue 03/16: Washington vs. Detroit @ Milwaukee Tue 03/16: New Jersey vs. Boston @ Providence * Sun 03/21: Pittsburgh vs. Edmonton @ Cleveland * Location subject to change NHL Playoff Schedule: Wales Conference Division Semifinals: April 18, 20, 22, 24, 26*, 28*, 30* Campbell Conference Division Semifinals: April 19, 21, 23, 25, 27*, 29*, May 1* Wales Conference Division Finals: May 2, 4, 6, 8, 10*, 12*, 14* Campbell Conference Division Finals: May 3, 5, 7, 9, 11*, 13*, 15* Wales Conference Final: May 16, 18, 20, 22, 24*, 26*, 28* Campbell Conference Final: May 17, 19, 21, 23, 25*, 27*, 29* Stanley Cup Final: June 1, 3, 5, 7, 9*, 11*, 14* * - if neccessary ----- - News & Scores SPIKE (bryan.k.strouse) <bks@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> posts weekday news and box scores (Sunday through Thursday). John P. Curcio <jpc@philabs.philips.com> posts weekend news and box scores. Both maintain e-mail lists for faster delivery. Net contacts post team news as they see/hear/read it. ----- - Notable team news (transactions and announcements) Note that this information is culled from press releases and posts. It is updated each month and only information currently under discussion or of continuing importance or interest will be listed for more than two postings. Boston Bruins Boston legislators and the developers proposing a new Boston Garden finally agreed to a deal that puts the 19,000-seat, $160 million project back on track to be finished in September 1995. Right wing Daniel Marois will be sidelined indefinitely following surgery to repair a herniated disc in his back. ** Sent defenseman Glen Murray to Providence of the American Hockey League. Buffalo Sabres 1-800-333-PUCK (1-800-333-7825) Acquired left winger Bob Errey from Pittsburgh for defenseman Mike Ramsey. ** Veteran Buffalo Sabres broadcaster Ted Darling will be inducted into the club's Hall of Fame Sunday, April 11. Darling, who joined the expansion Sabres in 1970, was the team's play-by-play announcer on both television and radio until illness forced him out of the booth during last season. ** Recalled forwards Viktor Gordiouk and Doug MacDonald from Rochester of American Hockey League. Calgary Flames Acquired veteran right wing Greg Paslawski from Philadelphia for future considerations. ** Recalled center Todd Harkins and left winger Tomas Forslund from Salt Lake City of International Hockey League. Chicago Blackhawks The $175 million, privately financed United Center, scheduled to open in August 1994, will be home to the NBA's Chicago Bulls and NHL's Chicago Blackhawks. The stadium is owned by entities controlled by the two teams. The owners apparently still have not made a decision on whether the old Chicago Stadium will be razed for parking space once the new facility, located directly across the street, opens. Suspended defenseman Craig Muni indefinitely for failing to report following a trade with Edmonton. Detroit Red Wings Acquired defenseman Steve Konroyd from Hartford for a sixth-round draft pick. Annnounced the signing of right wing Joe Frederick, their 13th pick in the 1989 National Hockey League entry draft. ** Two contrite hockey fans have returned the stolen Michigan Sports Hall of Fame plaque honoring Detroit Red Wing great Gordie Howe. The bronze plaque was stolen more than four years ago from Cobo Hall in Detroit, site of the Michigan Hall of Fame. Edmonton Oilers Sent forward Esa Tikkanen to the New York Rangers for center Doug Weight. Traded defenseman Craig Muni to Chicago for forward Mike Hudson. NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said the Edmonton Oilers' lease with Northlands Coliseum must be improved if the team is to survive in the city. Edmonton Northlands is a non-profit agency set up by the city to administer exhibition facilities including the Coliseum. Oilers owner Peter Pocklington calls his lease with Northlands horrendous and has threatened to move the team if he doesn't get a better deal. He makes no money from parking, concessions or building advertising. The 17,313-seat Coliseum also has few of the lucrative private boxes that produce significant revenues for other owners. Announced center Kevin Todd will not need surgery but will miss the remainder of the season with a separated shoulder. Hartford Whalers Sent defenseman Steve Konroyd to Detroit for a sixth-round draft pick. Acquired left winger Robert Kron and a third-round draft pick from Vancouver for left winger Murray Craven and a fifth-round draft pick. ** The state of Connecticut will begin negotiations to buy the Civic Center from the city in an effort to keep the financially struggling Hartford Whalers franchise in the city. Los Angeles Kings Sent center John McIntyre to the New York Rangers for defenseman Mark Hardy and Ottawa's fifth-round 1993 draft pick. Minnesota North Stars 1-800-800-0435 if calling from the U.S. 1-800-800-0458 if calling from Canada The Dallas City Council has approved an agreement with the Minnesota North Stars that will bring the NHL club to Reunion Arena next season. Defenseman Mark Tinordi, captain of the North Stars, will be sidelined the rest of the season, including any postseason games the North Stars might play, because of a broken collarbone. Acquired defenseman Mark Osiecki from Winnipeg for ninth- and 10th-round draft picks in 1993. Added defenseman Travis Richards from the University of Minnesota. A former employee filed a sexual harassment suit against Minnesota North Star owner Norman Green. Karen (Kari) Dziedzic, Green's former executive assistant, claims Green often instructed her to wear cosmetics, described her outfits as "very hot" and "very sexy," once slapped her hand as she was about to eat and humiliated her by grabbing her hand and rubbing it through a client's hair. The Minnesota North Stars, who will move to Dallas after this season, announced that nearly 11,000 season ticket reservations have been made for their new home at Reunion Arena, which has a capacity of 16,800. The Met Center commission has told the Minnesota North Stars that it wants the club out - with its keys returned - at midnight after the last home game. The club is moving to Dallas for next season. The club must pay unpaid interest of $4,492.80 on the team's late rent payment for 1992, which was made earlier this month, and has been instructed not to take property such as the scoreboard and Zamboni ice-surfacing machine. ** Derian Hatcher's game-misconduct penalty was rescinded by the NHL, allowing the Minnesota defenseman to play in the North Stars' last two regular-season games. Hatcher was given the penalty during a fight at the end of a loss at St. Louis on Sunday, April 11. But the league didn't rescind the game-misconduct penalty Shane Churla received. The Stars recalled center Cal McGowan from their top minor league club in Kalamazoo, Mich., to replace Churla. Montreal Canadiens Acquired defenseman Rob Ramage from Tampa Bay for minor league defensemen Eric Charron and Alain Cote and future considerations. New Jersey Devils ** Bernie Nicholls publicly apologized for his criticism of referee Denis Morel after the Devils' 5-2 loss to the Buffalo Sabres. Nicholls was ejected by Morel for being the third man in on a fight late in the second period of that game and afterward Nicholls called Morel "a homer" and "an embarrassment to the referee's association." New York Islanders Traded right wing Daniel Marois to Boston for a conditional draft choice. New York Rangers Obtained forward Esa Tikkanen from Edmonton for center Doug Weight. Acquired left winger Mike Hartman from Tampa Bay Acquired center John McIntyre from Los Angeles for defenseman Mark Hardy and Ottawa's fifth-round 1993 draft pick. Defenseman Brian Leetch will undergo additional surgery on the right ankle he broke in a non-skating fall and is not expected to play again this season. Leetch suffered the broken ankle March 19 following a victory over San Jose. The team said he slipped on an icy patch of pavement as he was getting out of a taxi cab in front of his apartment. ** Announced that defenseman James Patrick will require surgery on a herniated disc in his back and will not play again this season. ** Returned goaltender Corey Hirsch to Binghamton of the American Hockey League. Ottawa Senators The Ottawa Senators received the go-ahead to build the 18,500-seat Palladium on the proposed location in nearby Kanata, Ont. The projected cost is C$150 million. Construction will be postponed until the 1995-96 season, one year behind schedule. The Ottawa Senators lost their 37th consecutive NHL road game to tie the 1974-75 Washington Capitals for most road losses in a row. ** Assigned left wing Martin St. Amour to New Haven of the American Hockey League. Philadelphia Flyers The opening date of Spectrum II has been pushed back to fall 1995. Formal groundbreaking has been postponed indefinitely. Traded veteran right wing Greg Paslawski to the Calgary Flames for future considerations. Pittsburgh Penguins Traded left winger Bob Errey to Buffalo for defenseman Mike Ramsey. Reacquired defenseman Peter Taglianetti from Tampa Bay Lightning for a third-round 1993 draft choice. ** Revolutionary Comics of San Diego agreed to destroy all available copies of a Mario Lemieux comic book in a settlement with the Pittsburgh Penguins over a trademark infringement lawsuit. The Penguins sued in February charging that the "Sport Stars Mario Lemieux" comic infringed on the team's logo and uniform, which are registered trademarks. Quebec Nordiques 1-800-463-3333 St. Louis Blues St. Louis Blues center Ron Sutter will miss the rest of the season as a result of separating his right shoulder. San Jose Sharks The San Jose Sharks announced that ticket prices will increase by about 30% for the 1993-94 season when they move from the Cow Palace into a new $155-million arena in San Jose. ** Recalled defenseman Tom Pederson from Kansas City of the International Hockey League. ** Reached agreement in principle with left wing Alexander Cherbayev. Tampa Bay Lightning 1-800-881-2639 At least two investor groups are poised to build a sports arena in downtown Tampa if the delay-plagued company that holds a lease from the Tampa Bay Lightning bows out. Tampa Coliseum Inc. has a lease with the National Hockey League team to develop an entertainment and sports arena next to Tampa Stadium, but has been unable to raise enough money for the project. Sent left winger Mike Hartman to the New York Rangers for center Randy Gilhen. Sent defenseman Peter Taglianetti to Pittsburgh for a third-round 1993 draft choice. Sent defenseman Rob Ramage to the Montreal Canadiens for minor league defensemen Eric Charron and Alain Cote and future considerations. ** Manon Rheaume's first starting appearance in goal for the Atlanta Knights was impressive enough for her coach to say she has a chance to be a backup goalie for another minor league team next season. Rheaume, the first female to play professional hockey, stopped 25 shots and gave up six goals against the Cincinnati Cyclones on Saturday night, April 10. After the game, her coach, Gene Ubriaco, said Rheaume performed well enough to compete for the No. 2 goalie spot with the Louisville IceHawks of the East Coast Hockey League next season. The Knights and the IceHawks are minor league clubs of the Tampa Bay Lightning. ** As their first season comes to a close, there are rumors swirling that the Tampa Bay Lightning just might become the Atlanta Lightning. Or the Minnesota Lightning. But they are just rumors, according to Lightning general manager Phil Esposito. ESPN reported on Sunday, April 11, that the Lightning, who have been playing in 10,400-seat Expo Hall, are exploring opportunities to move to either Atlanta or Minneapolis. But Esposito said there was no truth to the report. "We were disappointed with ESPN's irresponsible comment," Esposito said. "There is just no substance to the rumor." Rumors have been swirling for the past two years regarding a move by Tampa Bay, which is presently discussing plans to build a new arena. Toronto Maple Leafs ** Defenseman Matt Martin, who helped Maine win the 1993 NCAA hockey championship, gave up his final year of eligibility and signed a contract with the Toronto Maple Leafs. Vancouver Canucks The Vancouver Canucks have cleared the last hurdle in their effort to build a new stadium. Vancouver council has given the green light for the 100 million dollar complex. It will seat 20 thousand people and will have an adjoining office tower. It will be built between the viaducts near B.C. Place in Vancouver. Site preparation will begin this summer, with a completion date of Fall 1995. Traded left winger Robert Kron and a third-round draft pick to Hartford for left winger Murray Craven and a fifth-round draft pick. Obtained defenseman Dan Ratushny from Winnipeg for a ninth-round draft pick. ** Signed right wing Brian Loney to a multi-year contract and assigned him to Hamilton of American Hockey League (AHL). Washington Capitals (301) 808-CAPS Traded goaltender Jim Hrivnak and future considerations to Winnipeg for goaltender Rick Tabaracci. Winnipeg Jets Winnipeg Jets have been allowed economic assistance in order to keep them in the Smythe division as a result of expansion. Sent defenseman Mark Osiecki to Minnesota for ninth- and 10th-round draft picks in 1993. Sent goaltender Rick Tabaracci to Washington for Jim Hrivnak and future considerations. Sent defenseman Dan Ratushny to Vancouver for a ninth-round draft pick. Winnipeg's Teemu Selanne broke the NHL's rookie points record. The Jets rookie tied the record of 109 points, set by Peter Stastny with Quebec (1980-81), with a goal, his 66th of the season, and moved ahead on an assist in a 5-4 loss to Toronto. ** The Fort Wayne Komets said they have been told by Winnipeg that the Jets will keep a minor league affiliation with Moncton of the American Hockey League. There have been reports the Jets would move players from Moncton to Fort Wayne next season. ----- - Expansion news: The National Hockey League announced that the expansion Anaheim and South Florida franchises will join the league for the 1993- 1994 season. Disney and National Hockey League officials announced Monday, March 1, that the Mighty Ducks of Anaheim, Disney's expansion team, will take to the ice next fall. Michael Eisner, chairman and chief executive officer of the Walt Disney Co., said the Mighty Ducks will play at the Pond, the new Anaheim sports arena, near Disney's flagship theme park. The arena is under construction and will be completed in June. The Pond seats 17,350. The team still must meet the league's requirement that it sell at least 10,000 season tickets for the final grant of NHL membership. Anaheim named Jack Ferreira general manager and Pierre Gauthier assistant general manager. ** Veteran NHL scout Al Godfrey has been hired as the Midwest regional scout for the Anaheim Mighty Ducks. Philadelphia Flyers' senior vice president Bobby Clarke was named Monday, March 1, to the post of general manager for Miami's NHL expansion team. Franchise owner H. Wayne Huizenga made the announcement at the Miami Arena, three months after being awarded a franchise. Huizenga said he plans to have a team on the ice in time for the beginning of the NHL season in October. ----- - Realignment: Eastern Conference Atlantic Division Washington Capitals, New Jersey Devils, New York Islanders, New York Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers, South Florida, Tampa Bay Lightning Northeast Division Boston Bruins, Buffalo Sabres, Hartford Whalers, Montreal Canadiens, Ottawa Senators, Pittsburgh Penguins, Quebec Nordiques Western Conference Central Division Chicago Blackhawks, Dallas Stars, Detroit Red Wings, St. Louis Blues, Toronto Maple Leafs, Winnipeg Jets Pacific Division Anaheim Mighty Ducks, Calgary Flames, Edmonton Oilers, Los Angeles Kings, San Jose Sharks, Vancouver Canucks Schedule: Eastern Conference teams will play five games against each of six divisional opponents (30); four games against each of the seven teams in the conference's other division (28) and two games against each of the 12 Western Conference members (24). Western Conference teams will play six games against each of five divisional opponents (30); four games against each of the six teams in the conference's other division (24) and two games against each of the 14 Eastern Conference clubs (28). Playoffs: The system will be conference-based, with the No. 1 team meeting the No. 8 team in the first round, No. 2 vs. No. 7, No. 3 vs. No. 6 and No. 4 vs. No. 5. Matchups will be based on overall points with the four division champions being placed in the first- or second-place seeds in each conference and being assured of home-ice in the first two playoff rounds. All series will be best of seven (2-2-1-1-1 rotation) except matchups between Central and Pacific teams. Those series will rotate 2-3- 2 to reduce travel. In those cases, the team with the most regular-season points will choose whether to start the series at home or away. ----- - Draft news: Under terms of the new expansion draft, which will be held in June, each of the 24 existing clubs will be allowed to protect one goaltender, five defensemen and nine forwards. The most recent expansion drafts allowed teams to protect two goalies and did not make a distinction between forwards and defensemen. First-year pros only will be exempt from the draft, which is down from the two-year exemption teams had last season. San Jose, Tampa Bay and Ottawa still will be allowed to exempt second-year pros. Each of the 24 teams will lose two players, with a maximum loss of one goaltender and a maximum loss of one defenseman. The one exception is that a team which loses a goaltender can then no longer lose a defenseman. At the end of the first phase of the draft, the two new franchises will have three goaltenders, eight defensemen and 13 forwards for a total of 24 players. A second phase then will be conducted where San Jose, Tampa Bay and Ottawa will select two players each from the rosters of the two new teams. Ottawa, Tampa Bay and San Jose will be guaranteed priority drafting selection in the 1993 draft as long as they have the three worst records. Anaheim and Miami will choose no lower than fourth and fifth. The expansion franchises will move up in the draft should either San Jose, Tampa Bay or Ottawa not finish in the bottom three positions. The two new teams will pick first and second in the 1994 Entry Draft, regardless of their finish in 1993-94. Should either of the two new teams not play next season they would have priority drafting position in 1994. The owners announced the 1994 draft will be in Hartford and the 1995 draft in Winnipeg. The 1994 draft was scheduled for Boston, but a delay in the construction of a new arena required the draft be moved. ----- - League news: Disputes: The NHL owners and players have resolved differences over salary arbitration procedures, clearing the way for about 40 hearings. NHLPA executive director Bob Goodenow didn't disclose how the issues were resolved, but the prior sticking point had been the manner in which statistics were used in arbitration hearings. Olympics: The NHL announced February 26, 1993, it will not make professional players available to compete in the 1994 Winter Olympics. League Leadership: Los Angeles Kings owner Bruce McNall succeeded Blackhawks owner Bill Wirtz as chairman of the NHL's powerful Board of Governors. Appointed to join McNall on the Executive Committee were Ron Corey of the Montreal Canadiens, Mike Ilitch of the Detroit Red Wings, Peter Pocklington of the Edmonton Oilers and Ed Snider of the Philadelphia Flyers. Gary Bettman, vice president and general counsel of the National Basketball Association, was named commissioner of the National Hockey League, Friday, December 11, 1992. Miscellaneous: Henri Richard, Bernie Parent and Billy Smith have been named special ambassadors for the Stanley Cup Centennial, a season-long celebration of the NHL championship trophy. The trio will appear at league-wide function such as the All-Star Game and Stanley Cup playoffs. The National Hockey League named John N. Turner, former Prime Minister of Canada, to serve on Board of Directors of Hockey Hall of Fame and Museum and nominated Scotty Morrison, David M. Taylor, Larry Bertuzzi, Robert G. Bundy, Walter Bush, Murray Costello, Jim Gregory, Leslie Kaplan, Lawrence G. Meyer and Alan Tonks to serve on Board, which takes office March 30. NHL President Gil Stein was one of four individuals elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame Builder's category. The others were Buffalo Sabres' Chairman of the Board and President Seymour Knox III, Vancouver Canucks' Chairman Frank Griffiths and veteran Canadian hockey executive Fred Page. Former NHL linesman John D'Amico was selected in the Hall of Fame's Referee-Linesman category. ----- - NHL TV Games are carried on TSN and CBC in Canada, on ESPN in the U.S. Check your local listings. The National Hockey League has struck a conditional five-year deal with ESPN to televise professional hockey through the 1996-97 season. The series of agreements grants ESPN exclusive national coverage of the NHL starting with the 1992-93 season, and the cable network has an option to extend the term of that domestic agreement for four more years. The deal also grants ESPN exclusive international television distribution, excluding Canada, for the next five years. The league's new TV contract calls for ESPN to televise up to 25 regular-season games to its domestic audience this coming season and 37 playoff games, including the entire Stanley Cup Final. The majority of ESPN's regular-season games will be televised on Friday nights. NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman announced Wednesday, March 3, that ABC Sports will televise five Stanley Cup playoff games starting next month. ABC will carry the playoff games on its network through an arrangement with ESPN, the U.S. rightsholder for NHL games. ESPN will provide the production of the games. ABC owns ESPN. April 18 - Wales Conference Game #1 Quarterfinals April 25 - Campbell Conference Game #4 Quarterfinals May 2 - Wales Conference Game #1 Semifinals May 9 - Campbell Conference Game #4 Semifinals May 16 - Wales Conference Game #1 Finals ----- - Award winners, all-star teams, hall of fame inductees, and draft picks 91-92 Award Winners: Hart Trophy (MVP): Mark Messier (NYR) Vezina Trophy (best goalie): Patrick Roy (Mon) Norris Trophy (best defenseman): Brian Leetch (NYR) Calder Trophy (best rookie): Pavel Bure (Van) Selke Trophy (best defensive forward): Guy Carbonneau (Mon) Lady Byng Trophy (sportsmanship): Wayne Gretzky (LA) Jack Adams Award (best coach): Pat Quinn (Van) Bill Masterton Memorial Trophy (perseverance): Mark Fitzpatrick (NYI) King Clancy Trophy (contribution to community): Ray Bourque (Bos) Jennings Trophy (lowest team GAA): Patrick Roy (Mon) Art Ross Trophy (most scoring points): Mario Lemieux (Pit) Hall of Famer players Frank Boucher and Red Dutton and executives Bruce McNall and Gil Stein Thursday were named the 1993 winners of the Lester Patrick Award for ``outstanding service to hockey in the United States''. The award is selected each year by a committee representing a wide cross-section of the hockey community. 91-92 1st All-Star Team: Patrick Roy (G, Mon), Ray Bourque (D, Bos), Brian Leetch (D, NYR), Mark Messier (C, NYR), Brett Hull (RW, StL), Kevin Stevens (LW, Pit) 92-93 All-Star Game Starters (as voted by fans): Wales Conference: Mario Lemieux (C, Pittsburgh), Jaromir Jagr (W, Pittsburgh), Kevin Stevens (W, Pittsburgh), Ray Bourque (D, Boston), Brian Leetch (D, Rangers), Patrick Roy, (G, Montreal). Campbell Conference: Steve Yzerman (C, Detroit), Brett Hull (W, St. Louis), Pavel Bure (W, Vancouver), Chris Chelios (D, Chicago), Paul Coffey (D, Los Angeles), Ed Belfour (G, Chicago) 91-92 All-rookie team: Gilbert Dionne (LW, Mon), Tony Amonte (RW, NYR), Kevin Todd (C, NJ), Vladimir Konstantinov (D, Det), Nicklas Lidstrom (D, Det), Dominik Hasek (G, Chi). 1992 Hall of Fame Inductees: Marcel Dionne, Bob Gainey, Lanny McDonald, and Woody Dumart. First round of the 1992 entry draft: # Player (pos, team) 1 Roman Hamrlik (D, TB) 2 Alexei Yashin (C, Ott) 3 Mike Rathje (D, SJ) 4 Todd Warriner (LW, Que) 5 Darius Kasparaitis (D, NYI) 6 Cory Stillman (C, Cal) 7 Ryan Sittler (LW, Phi) 8 Brandon Convery (C, Tor) 9 Robert Petrovicky (C, Har) 10 Andrei Nazarov (LW, SJ) 11 David Cooper (D, Buf) 12 Sergei Krivokrasov (LW, Chi) 13 Joe Hulbig (LW, Edm) 14 Sergei Gonchar (D, Was) 15 Jason Bowen (LW, Phi) 16 Dmitri Kvartalnov (LW, Bos) 17 Sergei Bautin (D, Win) 18 Jason Smith (D, NJ) 19 Martin Straka (C, Pit) 20 David Wilkie (D, Mon) 21 Libor Polasek (C, Van) 22 Curtis Bowen (LW, Det) 23 Grant Marshall (RW, Tor) 24 Peter Ferraro (C, NYR) ----- - New NHL Rules Game ejection for instigating a fight. Helmets are optional. Grabbing an opponent's stick as a defensive move is a penalty. Diving to draw a penalty is a penalty. Coincidental minors when both teams are full-strength result in 4 vs. 4 play. High sticking is from the waist up. - New CBA - ratified by NHLPA on 4/11/92 Term: September 16, 1991 to September 15, 1993. Licensing and endorsements: Players own exclusive rights to their individual personality, including their likenesses. Salary arbitration: New rules negotiated; 8 salary arbitrators to be jointly agreed upon. Free agency: Compensation scale reduced for players age 30 and under. Group III free agent age reduced to 30 from 31. A player who has completed 10 or more professional seasons (minor or NHL) and who in last year of contract didn't earn more than the average NHL salary, can elect once in his career to become an unrestricted free agent at the end of his contract. Salary and awards: Players' playoff fund increased to $7.5M in 1991-92 & $9M in 92-93. New minimum salary of $100,000. Insurance: $200,000 disability coverage. Dental & broad-based medical improvements. 100% increase in life insurance for players; coverage for wives. Pension: Improved pension contributions of $8000 to $12500 per player per year, depending on the player's number of NHL games. Agreement on language to guarantee continuation of Security Plan negotiated in 1986. Regular season: Increased from 80 to 84 games in 92-93. For 2 games played at neutral sites, all arrangements and revenues to be shared. Rosters: Kept at 18 skaters and 2 goaltenders for 92-93. Entry draft: Reduced to 11 rounds from 12. Supplemental draft: One selection for each non-playoff team. Joint study group: Examine financial state of NHL & issue report to assist in preparing for 1993 negotiations ----- NHL free agency categories (effective until 9/15/93) Group I: - players aged 24 and under - player's choice of player equalization or draft pick compensation - for compensation, old club has right to match offer from new club - for equalization, old club has no right to match offer - equalization, which can consist of players, draft picks, and/or cash, must be agreed upon between two clubs or submitted to arbitration Group II: - players aged 25 to 29 - player's choice of player equalization or draft pick compensation - for equalization, old club has right to match offer only if it is at least $351,000 - for compensation, schedule is: one first round pick if player signs for $350,000-$500,000/year two first round picks if player signs for $500,000-$1 million/year extra first round pick for each additional $1M over $1M/year Group III: - players aged 30 and over - old club gets no compensation, but has right to match offer - to receive right to match, old club must make qualifying offer of 15% over player's salary in prior season Group IV: - players considered defected free agents Group V: - player with 10 years of experience whose salary is below NHL average can choose to be a free agent without compensation once in his career. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. NHL Minor Leagues The NHL minor leagues are the International Hockey League, the American Hockey League and the East Coast Hockey League. Information on the Central Hockey League and the American Hockey Association can be found in section 4. ----- IHL contacts: IHL: Rob Springall <rgs7077@ultb.isc.rit.edu> Atlanta Knights: Scott Clarkson <gt3394c@prism.gatech.edu> Cincinnati Cyclones: Joseph Combs <jgcombs@uceng.UC.EDU> Cleveland Lumberjacks: Rob Gasser <CSRAG@uoft02.utoledo.edu> Ft. Wayne Komets: Rob Gasser <CSRAG@uoft02.utoledo.edu> ** Milwaukee Admirals: Jason Hanson <jason@studsys.mscs.mu.edu> Salt Lake Golden Eagles: Roland Behunin <behunin@logdis1.oo.aflc.af.mil> The International Hockey League has granted a franchise to a Las Vegas group headed by Henry Stickney for the 1993-1994 season. ** The International Hockey League named Bob Chase. voice of the Fort Wayne Komets, as the league's broadcaster of the year. The IHL also said the annual award, effective next year, will be named in Chase's honor. Also honored by the IHL were Jim Loria of the Kansas City Blades as marketing director of the year, Shelly Gartner of the Phoenix Roadrunners as merchandise manager of the year and Steve Doherty of the Kalamazoo Wings as public relations director of the year. ** The Atlanta Knights of the International Hockey League announced Thursday, April 8, that Manon Rheaume will be the starting goaltender in a home game Saturday night, April 10, against the Cincinnati Cyclones. Rheaume will become the first female to start in a regular season professional hockey game. ** Fort Wayne -- Announced winger Scott Gruhl will retire at the end of the International Hockey League season. Gruhl will join the Muskegon Fury of the Colonial League. ** The Fort Wayne Komets said they have been told by Winnipeg that the Jets will keep a minor league affiliation with Moncton of the American Hockey League. There have been reports the Jets would move players from Moncton to Fort Wayne next season. ** The San Diego Gulls of the International Hockey League set a record with their 61st victory, 5-1, over the Salt Lake Golden Eagles. The Gulls (61- 11-8) became the first team in professional hockey to win that many games in a season. The 1976-77 Montreal Canadiens won 60 games. IHL's 1992 Turner Cup: The Kansas City Blades defeated Muskegon Lumberjacks 4 games to 0. ----- AHL contacts: AHL: Rob Springall <rgs7077@ultb.isc.rit.edu> Bri Farenell <farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> Mark Anania <ananim@rpi.edu> See Section 5 for newsletter information. Atlantic Division: Cape Breton, Fredericton, Halifax, Moncton, St. John's Northern Division: Adirondack, Capital District, Providence, New Haven, Springfield Southern Division: Baltimore, Binghamton, Hershey, Rochester, Utica, Hamilton The New Haven Senators have been sold by Peter Shipman to the Ottawa Senators NHL organization. They are the only Canadian NHL team with an American AHL affiliate, and have made it clear they intend to move the team to somewhere in the Canadian Atlantic Provinces. This sale and move has yet to be approved by the AHL head office, but is expected to pass easily at the general meeting in May. The Baltimore Skipjacks, the Washington Capitals' American Hockey League affliate, will skate next season as the Portland Pirates. The Calgary Flames will base their farm team in the AHL in St. John, New Brunswick next season. The team will be called the St. John Blue Flames. ** The Fort Wayne Komets of the IHL said they have been told by Winnipeg of the NHL that the Jets will keep a minor league affiliation with Moncton of the American Hockey League. There have been reports the Jets would move players from Moncton to Fort Wayne next season. AHL's 1992 Calder Cup: The Adirondack Red Wings beat the St. John's Maple Leafs 4 games to 3. The home-ice curse held true as all games in the final were won by the visiting team. John Anderson (New Haven) is 1992 winner of Les Cunningham Plaque as AHL MVP. ----- ECHL contacts: ECHL, Toledo Storm: Rob Gasser <CSRAG@uoft02.utoledo.edu> The Toledo Storm hockey team is asking SeaGate Convention Center to consider becoming its host site beginning with the 1994-95 season. The Storm, which has played its last two seasons in the Toledo Sports Arena, said it asked for 55 dates in the downtown facility. The Storm also has been talking with backers of a proposed ice complex in suburban Sylvania to become a primary tenant. ECHL's 1992 Riley Cup: Hampton Roads beat Louisville 4 games to 0. See Section 5 for newsletter information. ----- Minor League Affiliates for NHL teams: Bos: Providence Bruins (AHL), Johnstown Chiefs (ECHL) Buf: Rochester Americans (AHL), Erie Panthers (ECHL) Cal: Salt Lake Golden Eagles (IHL), Roanoke Valley Rebels (ECHL) Chi: Indianapolis Ice (IHL), Columbus Chill (ECHL), St. Thomas (Col. HL) Det: Adirondack Red Wings (AHL), Toledo Storm (ECHL) Edm: Cape Breton Oilers (AHL), Winston-Salem Thunderbirds (ECHL) Har: Springfield Indians (AHL), Louisville Icehawks (ECHL) LA : Phoenix Roadrunners (IHL), Raleigh Icecaps (ECHL) Min: Kalamazoo Wings (IHL), Dayton Bombers (ECHL) Mon: Fredericton Canadiens (AHL), Winston-Salem Thunderbirds (ECHL), Flint (Col. HL) NJ : Utica Devils (AHL), Birmingham Bulls (ECHL) NYI: Capital District Islanders (AHL), Richmond Renegades (ECHL) NYR: Binghamton Rangers (AHL) Ott: New Haven Senators (AHL), Thunder Bay (Col. HL) Phi: Hershey Bears (AHL) Pit: Cleveland Lumberjacks (IHL), Knoxville Cherokees (ECHL) Que: Halifax Citadels (AHL), Greensboro Monarchs (ECHL) SJ : Kansas City Blades (IHL), Nashville Knights (ECHL) StL: Peoria Rivermen (IHL), Dayton Bombers (ECHL), Flint (Col. HL) TB : Atlanta Knights (IHL) Tor: St. John's Maple Leafs (AHL), Raleigh Icecaps (ECHL), Brantford (Col. HL) Van: Columbus Chill (ECHL), Hamilton Canucks (AHL) Was: Baltimore Skipjacks (AHL), Hampton Roads Admirals (ECHL) Win: Moncton Hawks (AHL), Thunder Bay (Col. HL) Ind: Cincinnati Cyclones (IHL) Fort Wayne Komets (IHL) Michigan Falcons (Colonial HL) Milwaukee Admirals (IHL) San Diego Gulls (IHL) St. Thomas (Colonial HL) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 3. College Hockey contacts: NCAA: Mike Machnik <nin15b34@merrimack.edu> Wisconsin Badgers: Jeff Horvath <horvath@cs.wisc.edu> CCHA, Bowling Green State: Keith Instone <instone@euclid.bgsu.edu> ECAC, Clarkson: Bri Farenell <farenebt@craft.camp.clarkson.edu> - e-mail lists: Wayne Smith <wts@maine.maine.edu> maintains 2 lists, one for discussions (HOCKEY-L) and one for news (HOCKEY-D): send e-mail to <listserv@maine.maine.edu> with body: SUBSCRIBE HOCKEY-L <name & favorite team> or SUBSCRIBE HOCKEY-D <name> (a read-only list containing news from HOCKEY-L) Up-to-date Division I standings and scores can be obtained through the archives of the College Hockey Mailing List. Send a message to the server at listserv@maine.maine.edu with the body containing ONLY the commands (either or both) - ftp site: andy.bgsu.edu The directory "pub/Hockey" contains CCHA press releases, scores, standings, and rosters. The sub-directory "Archives" has archives of the Division I college hockey mailing list since 1989. Also, archives from the Division III list since May 1992 are available. NCAA hockey championship: Semi-finals: Maine 4, Michigan 3 (OT) Lake Superior State 6, Boston University 1 Finals: Maine 5, Lake Superior State 4 Freshman Paul Kariya who was named winner of the 1992-93 Hobey Baker Award as college hockey's top player. ** The NCAA Division I Hockey Championships will be held at the St. Paul Civic Center in St. Paul, Minnesota, on March 31 and April 2, 1994. For priority seating call the University of Minnesota Ticket Office at (612) 624-8080, between 8:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m., Monday through Friday or send a postcard to: University of Minnesota Ticket Office 1994 NCAA Hockey Championships 516 15th Avenue SE Minneapolis MN 55455 - NCAA Division I Teams CCHA (Central Collegiate Hockey Association): Bowling Green, Ferris State, Illinois-Chicago, Lake Superior, Miami, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Western Michigan, Notre Dame, Kent State, Alaska-Fairbanks (affiliate member ) CCHA Playoff structure: The top 6 will host the bottom 6 (1 vs 12, 2 vs 11, etc) in a two-of-three weekend series The six winners will advance to Joe Louis Arena for single elimination the rest of the way. The top 2 remaining seeds get a bye while 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5 on the first night. On the second night, the 4 remaining teams battle it out, leaving only two to play for the championship, on the third night. Alaska- Fairbanks, as an affiliate member, will be seeded from #7 to #12 by the league office. ECAC (Eastern College Athletic Conference) (men's): Brown, Clarkson, Colgate, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, RPI, St. Lawrence, Union, Vermont, Yale ECAC (Eastern College Athletic Conference) (women's): Brown, Colby, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, New Hampshire, Northeastern, Princeton, Providence, Rochester Institute of Technology, St. Lawrence, Yale The Eastern Collegiate Athletic Conference unveiled the nation's first intercollegiate women's ice hockey league and announced the 12 teams will begin play in the 1993-94 season. The top eight finishers in the ECAC Women's Ice Hockey League will qualify for a post-season tournament. The league replaces an informal 15-team conference of nine Division I and six Division III schools, which held their own respective division tournaments at the end of the regular season. The ECAC said it would discontinue its Division III women's tournament after the 1992-93 season. Hockey East: Boston College, Boston University, UMass-Lowell, Maine, Merrimack, New Hampshire, Northeastern, Providence WCHA (Western Collegiate Hockey Association): Colorado College, Denver, Michigan Tech, Minnesota, Minnesota-Duluth, North Dakota, Northern Michigan, St Cloud, Wisconsin Alaska-Anchorage has joined the WCHA as a full-fledged member for 93-94 Independents: Air Force, Alabama-Huntsville, Alaska-Anchorage, Alaska-Fairbanks, Army ----- - Canadian Intercollegiate Athletic Union CIAU Championships: Finalists: Team: Division: University of Alberta Golden Bears West University of Guelph Gryphons Ontario West University of Toronto Varsity Blues Ontario East University of Acadia Axemen East Semi-finals: Acadia 9, Alberta 4 Toronto 3, Guelph 2 Finals: Acadia 12, Toronto 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4. Other Hockey Leagues - 1992 World Championships in Czechoslovakia Sweden defeated Finland 5-2 (gold medal match) Czechoslovakia defeated Switzerland 5-2 (bronze medal match) Final Standings (round robin): GROUP A W T L GF GA Pts GROUP B W T L GF GA PTS Finland 5 0 0 32 8 10 Russia 4 1 0 23 10 9 Germany 4 0 1 30 14 8 Czech 4 0 1 18 7 8 USA 2 1 2 14 15 5 Switz 2 2 1 12 11 6 Sweden 1 2 2 14 12 4 Canada 2 1 2 15 18 5 Italy 1 1 3 10 18 3 Norway 1 0 4 8 16 2 Poland 0 0 5 8 41 0 France 0 0 5 8 22 0 Austria will replace Poland in Pool A of 1993 WC in Germany The 1993 World Championships (Pool A) is scheduled to run from Apr 18 to May 2 in Munich, Germany. ----- ** - 1993 World Championships (Pool B) in Eindhoven, the Netherlands #g w l t pts gf ga 1. Great Britain 7 7 0 0 14 50 13 2. Poland 7 6 1 0 12 71 12 3. Netherlands 7 5 2 0 10 47 20 4. Denmark 7 4 3 0 8 38 24 5. Japan 7 3 4 0 6 34 31 6. Romania 7 2 5 0 4 20 44 7. China 7 1 6 0 2 12 79 8. Bulgaria 7 0 7 0 0 9 58 Great Britain advances to Pool A. Bulgaria is relegated to Pool C. ----- - 1992 Olympic Games ** - e-mail lists: Charlie Slavin <slavin@maine.maine.edu> maintains OlymPuck - The Olympic Hockey Discussion List: send e-mail to <listserv@maine.maine.edu> with body: SUBSCRIBE OlymPuck your_name favorite country(ies) CIS won the gold, Canada the silver, and Czechoslovakia the bronze (defeated USA). Yale hockey coach Tim Taylor was named coach for the '94 US Olympic Team. Dany Dube from the UQTR Patriotes (CIAU) and Tom Renney from the Kamloops Blazers (WHL) are co-coaches of Canada's national program. The 1998 Nagano Winter Olympic Organizing Committee said it has approved the addition of women's ice hockey and curling to the list of official medal events at the Games. The decision, which came at the organizing committee meeting here, followed an accord reached in Nagano between the committee and the IOC Coordination Committee. The decision will be formally ratified by an Executive Board meeting of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) and its Session. As a result, the number of total events at Nagano will increase to 64 in seven sports. ----- - 1991 Canada Cup Team Canada defeated Team USA 2 games to 0. ----- - 1992 Izvestia hockey tournament Final: Russia II - Czechoslovakia 2-1 Game for 3rd and 4th place: Russia I - Sweden 4-1 Game for 5th and 6th place: Finland - Switzerland 3-1 Game for 7th and 8th place: Canada - Germany 6-1 Final Standings for the 25th Izvestia Cup: 1. Russia II (the Russian Olympic team) 2. Czechoslovakia 3. Russia I 4. Sweden 5. Finland 6. Switzerland 7. Canada 8. Germany ----- - 1992 Germany Cup Russia defeated Team Canada 6-3 to win the $170,000 four-team Germany Cup for the third time. The Russian team, coached for the first time by the legendary Boris Michailov, assured itself of the $67,000 winner's check after a 3-1 win over Czechoslovakia. The former Soviet Union and Commonwealth of Independent States captured the tournament in 1988 and 1991 under Viktor Tikhonov. ----- - 1992 Spengler Cup Canada, with Fabian Joseph scoring his second goal of the game at 3:47 of overtime, beat Farjestad (Sweden) 6-5 in the final of the Spengler Cup at Davos, Switzerland. The Canadians overcame a two-goal deficit in the final two minutes of regulation and went on to earn their second overtime victory within 15 hours. Final: Team Canada - Farjestad (Sweden) 6-5 (1-1,2-2,2-2,1-0) OT ----- - 1992 European cup finals Duesseldorf, December 30, 1992 Bronze: Jokerit Helsinki - Lions Milano 4-2. Gold: Malmoe IF - Dynamo Moscow 4-3 (Shootout) This was the third successive European championship for a Swedish team: in 1990 and 1991 the champion was Djurgaarden (Stockholm). ----- - 1993 Sweden Hockey Games ** Final Standings: GP W T L GF-GA P 1. Sweden 3 2 0 1 13- 8 +5 4 2. Czech Republic 3 2 0 1 16-11 +5 4 3. Russia 3 1 1 1 9-11 -2 3 4. Canada 3 0 1 2 13-21 -8 1 Sweden wins due to head-to-head result vs the Czech republic. ----- - Junior Leagues contact: WHL: Randy Coulman <coulman@skdad.usask.ca> Mitch McGowan <hamlet@u.washington.edu> The site for the 75th Memorial Cup Tournament has yet to be chosen. It will be staged in Ontario but the exact location won't be determined until next spring. In March of '93, the two regular-season division champions from the Ontario Hockey League will meet in a best-of-seven series at the start of the playoff season. The winner of the series earns the right to host the Memorial Cup, traditionally held in May. The eventual OHL champion will also participate in the tourney. But if the league champs also happen to be the club hosting the Memorial Cup, then the league finalists will advance as well." Charles Poulin (Mon draft) of St-Hyacinthe (QMJHL) is '92 Canadian Hockey League Player of the Year. 1992 Memorial Cup at Seattle Round-robin standings W L GF GA Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds (OHL) 3 0 14 8 Kamloops Blazers (WHL) 2 1 10 7 Seattle Thunderbirds (WHL host) 1 2 9 10 Verdun College Francais (QMJHL) 0 3 5 13 Semifinal Kamloops 8 Seattle 3 Final Kamloops 5 Sault Ste. Marie 4 ----- - Central Hockey League contact: Marc Foster <mfoster@metgem.gcn.uoknor.edu> <mfoster@alliant.backbone.uoknor.edu> Ted Wollnik <twollnik@rdxsun11.aud.alcatel.com> See Section 5 for newsletter information. CHL: Fort Worth Fire, Wichita Thunder, Dallas Freeze, Tulsa Oilers, Memphis River Kings, Oklahoma City Blazers Six non-affiliated teams play a 60 game schedule extending from early November to mid March. Each team is owned by the league, with local interests controlling day to day operations. Each team has a $100,000 salary cap for 17 total players (16 dress up). Unlike the ECHL, players are not limited to three years in the league. A Western Division may be added to the Central Hockey League for the 93- 94 season if the plans of CHL president Ray Miron materialize. Miron confirmed that El Paso, Amarillo, Tuscon, and Albuquerque are cities under consideration for the Western Division, which would play some interlocking games with the Eastern Division. Meanwhile, San Antonio and Houston are close to being confirmed as the league's newest members. ----- - Major League Hockey A new hockey league with franchises throughout the United States and Canada will begin play in the fallof 1993, officials announced Wednesday, February 10. Major League Hockey was founded by Roy Boe, former president of the New York Islanders of the National Hockey League and the New York/New Jersey Nets of the American and National Basketball associations. According to Boe, the league will debut with six to eight teams playing a schedule of approximately 80 games. Franchise applications have been received from groups in Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Houston, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Phoenix, San Francisco, Saskatoon, Toronto and Worcester, Mass., Boe said. Although the league will not raid existing leagues to stock its rosters, Boe said it will seek the ``world's finest hockey players.'' Boe said league play will have an international flair and discussed implementing some rules which are reminiscent of those of the IIHF. ``We're removing the red line, moving the goal nets forward and eliminating all tie games,'' said Boe. The MLH office will operate out of Stamford, Conn. ----- - British Premier Division: contacts: Neil A. McGlynn: <nmcglynn@axion.bt.co.uk> (from NA) <nmcglynn@uk.co.bt.axion> (from Europe) Steve Salvini: <steve@cs.hw.ac.uk> Contact Steve for the GB USENET draft. e-mail list: send e-mail to <uk-hockey-request@cee.hw.ac.uk> to subscribe. Durham Wasps defeated Nottingham Panthers 7-6 in '92 British championship game. ----- - Finnish Elite League (SM-LIIGA): contacts: Juha Koivisto & Kimmo Kauranen <hockey@tac.fi> Vesa J Pyyluoma <veikko@vipunen.hut.fi> Final standings 91-92: 1) Jokerit, Helsinki 2) JyP HT, Jyvaskyla 3) HIFK, Helsinki 4) Assat, Pori 5) TPS, Turku 6) Lukko, Rauma 7) KalPa, Kuopio 8) HPK, Hameenlinna 9) Ilves, Tampere 10) Reipas, Lahti 11) Tappara, Tampere 12) JoKP, Joensuu JoKP dropped and Kiekko-Espoo from Espoo qualified to the SM-LIIGA Individual stats leaders 91-92: Points: Makela Mikko, TPS 25+45=70 (+ playoffs: 2+3=5 ) Scoring: Selanne Teemu, Jokerit 39+23=62 (+ playoffs: 10+7=17) All Stars 91-92: Briza Petr (Lukko), Virta Hannu (TPS), Laurila Harri (JyP HT), Makela Mikko (TPS), Janecky Otakar (Jokerit), Selanne Teemu (Jokerit) ----- - German Hockey League: contact: Andreas Stockmeier <stocki@cs.tu-berlin.de> or <stocki@tub.UUCP> Duesseldorfer Eishockey-Gemeinschaft defeated SB Rosenheim in '92 German final ----- - Swedish Elite League (Elitserien): contact: Staffan Axelsson <etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se> ** 1992-93 regular season final standings: 1. Vasteras 2. Brynas 3. Malmo 4. Farjestad 5. MoDo 6. Lulea 7. Leksand 8. Djurgarden 9. HV 71 10. Rogle 11. Frolunda 12. AIK Brynas defeated Lulea 3 games to 2 for the 1993 Swedish hockey championship. ----- - Swiss First Division: Kloten became the 1992-93 champions of the Swiss League Nationale A by beating Fribourg-Gotteron 4-2 to sweep the final series 3-0. ----- - 1992 Women's World Championships at Finland 1 Canada, 2 USA, 3 Finland, 4 Sweden, 5 China, 6 Norway, 7 Denmark, 8 Switzerland ----- 1993 World Junior Hockey Championships at Sweden Final Standings: GP W T L GF-GA +/- P 1. Canada 7 6 0 1 37-17 +20 12 2. Sweden 7 6 0 1 53-15 +38 12 3. Czechoslovakia 7 4 1 2 38-27 +11 9 4. USA 7 4 0 3 32-23 + 9 8 5. Finland 7 3 1 3 31-20 +11 7 6. Russia 7 2 2 3 26-20 + 6 6 7. Germany 7 1 0 6 16-37 -21 2 8. Japan 7 0 0 7 9-83 -74 0 Canada wins gold due to head-to-head result vs Sweden. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 5. 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When requesting, use the keyword in the body or subject. Also, specify team, date, etc., where applicable. Available from Eric Rickin <ab870@cleveland.freenet.edu>: Keyword Description AHLADDR AHL team addresses CANJUNIORS Canada junior teams NHLTV TV stations for each team NHLRADIO Radio stations for each team USJUNIORS US junior teams XXXXDRAFT XXXX (for XXXX=1989-1992) NHL Entry Draft 1991EXP 1991 NHL Expansion & Dispersal Draft Available from Rob Springall <rgs7077@ultb.isc.rit.edu>: Keyword Description AHL Up-to-date info on the AHL IHL Up-to-date info on the IHL NHL.C A C program that prints the 91-92 NHL schedule for a specified day Available from Stan Willis <willis@empire.dnet.hac.com>: Keyword Description ATTEND 91-92 NHL team home attendance report by quarters PSLOGOS NHL team logos in PostScript Available from David Anthony Wyatt <wyatt@ccu.umanitoba.ca>: Keyword Description ALLLIST All-time List of Professional Hockey Franchises Available from Roland Behunin <behunin@logdis1.oo.aflc.af.mil>: Keyword Description SATINFO Satellite info for NHL teams Available from Mike Machnik <nin15b34@merrimack.edu>: Keyword Description DIV1SCHED 92-93 NCAA Division I scores Mike can also provide a schedule for any of the 46 Division I teams to people who ask. E-mail him for details. Available from Bill Clare <Clare@Kodak.COM>: Keyword Description RETIRED List of retired numbers for NHL players Available from Staffan Axelsson <etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se>: Keyword Description WCMEDALS World Championships Medalists 1920-1992 WCSTAND World Championships All-Time Standings, Pool A 1920-1992 WCALSTAR World Championships All-Star Teams 1961-1992 WCROSTXX World Championships Gold Winning Teams' Rosters 1958-1992 (Specify XX=58-92) WJHC History of medals given at the World Junior Hockey Championships WJHCSTAT Team and player stats from the World Junior Hockey Championships. Available from Paul Brownlow <paul@data-io.com>: Keyword Description CHLPOY Past Canadian Hockey League players of the year MEMCUP Past Memorial Cup winners Available from <wilson@cs.ucf.edu>: To use the statsmailer, send e-mail to "wilson@cs.ucf.edu" with subject "statsmailer" and a body containing the word HELP to receive a list of allowable commands. Things available: NHL team/league schedules/calendars, a plethora of team statistics, scores of games, and some assorted hockey files. Seasons 1988-1992 available. New material was added on 1/19/93. Available from Mitch McGowan <hamlet@u.washington.edu> Keyword Description ROSTERS 1993 NHL All-Star Game rosters NHLLEAD 1991-92 NHL Leaders (Scoring, Goals, Assists, Power-play goals, Short-handed goals, Game-winning goals, Shots, Goals- against average, Victories, Save percentage, Shutouts) ZAMBONI Alan Thicke's "Book of Zamboni" opening from the 1991 NHL Awards broadcast Available from Matt Militzok <mmilitzo@skidmore.edu> Keyword Description STATS Up-to-date NHL statistics Available from Harry Peltz <hbpeltz@mailbox.syr.edu> Keyword Description SCORES Compilation of NHL scores for the current month (in compressed and uuencoded format) Dates can also be specified for specific box scores, but try not to request too many at one time (Max 5 box scores or three days). Available from Richard Stueven <gak@wrs.com> Keyword Description DIRECT Current NHL directory file Available from Michael Burger <mmb@lamar.colostate.edu> Keyword Description TVINFO TV/Radio stations for all teams along with network information. Up-to-date Division I standings and scores can be obtained through the archives of the College Hockey Mailing List. Send a message to the server at listserv@maine.maine.edu with the body containing ONLY the commands (either or both) GET 9293CONF STAND (for all Division I conference standings) GET 9293COMP SCHEDULE (for a full-season listing of Division I scores) The schedule is about 1000 lines long and the standings file is about 50 lines. These files are updated more-or-less weekly around Monday. Contact Mike Machnik (nin15b34@merrimack.edu) with any questions. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6. USENET Hockey Pool send e-mail to <andrew@idacom.hp.com>. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 7. Up-coming Dates Apr 18 - May 2: The 1993 World Championships (Pool A), Munich, Germany. Jun 26: NHL entry draft, Quebec City, Quebec. Feb 12 - Feb 27, 1994: XVII Olympic Winter Games, Lillehammer, Norway. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 8. Answers to some frequently asked questions: Q: Why are the Montreal Canadiens called the Habs? A: Most of the team during the 40-50's was made up of people who lived in and around Montreal. Hence they were called "Les Habitants" (natives of Montreal). This was then shortened to the Habs. Q: Why is the Montreal Canadiens logo a large C with an H within it? A: In 1914-15, the Canadiens logo consisted of C with an A within it to signify Club Athletique Canadien (CAC). The next year, CAC no longer existed and it was changed to what it is now to signify Club de Hockey. Q: What is the most informative hockey publication? A: The Hockey News is preferred by most North American hockey fans. It is a weekly journal with up-to-date info. Phone: 800-268-7793 (Canada and US) Phone/fax: 0483 776141 (UK and rest of Europe) Q: How does a 5-minute power-play count in the penalty killing stats in the NHL? A: If X goals are scored, then the team gets credit for X goals in X+1 chances. Q: How is +/- computed in the NHL? A: First, +/- only applies to skaters. Except for a power-play goal, when a goal is scored, each skater on the ice for the scoring team is given a +, and each skater on the ice for the other team is given a -. Short- handed goals do count for +/-. Q: What is the five-hole? A: The space between a goalie's pads. There are five major scoring zones: (1) upper left corner of goal, (2) upper right, (3) lower left, (4) lower right, and (5) five-hole. Q: What is the meaning of throwing an octopus on the ice? A: This tradition began in Detroit in the 1950's when two best-of-seven series were required to win the Stanley Cup. Every time Detroit won a game, an octopus with one less arm was thrown on the ice. Q: Who was the first woman to play in an NHL game? A: Manon Rheaume, a 20-year-old goaltender, became the first woman ever to play in an NHL game on September 23, 1992 when she started in net for the expansion Tampa Bay Lightning in an exhibition against the St. Louis Blues. Rheaume played the first period before 8,223 at the 10,400-seat Expo Hall on the Florida State Fairgrounds and allowed two goals on nine shots. She left with the score tied 2-2, although the Lightning ultimately lost the game, 6-4. Q: What is the richest contract in NHL history? A: Mario Lemieux, the superstar center of the Pittsburgh Penguins, signed the richest contract in NHL history, a seven-year deal believed to be worth about $42 million. Lemieux will earn between $6 million and $7 million a year, nearly twice as much as any other player in the league. Q: Who is the new commissioner of the NHL? A: Gary Bettman, vice president and general counsel of the National Basketball Association, was named commissioner of the National Hockey League, Friday, December 11, 1992. Bettman joined the NBA in 1981 as assistant general counsel. He became the league's chief legal officer in September of 1984. A New York resident, Bettman graduated from Cornell University in 1974 and from New York University School of Law in 1977. Q: How many professional hockey leagues are there in North America? A: Six: National, American, International, East Coast, Central and Colonial Hockey Leagues. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- 9. Miscellaneous: For field hockey discussions, go to the newsgroup rec.sport.hockey.field. For skating discussions, go to the newsgroup rec.skate. Some sites get another hockey group, called clari.sports.hockey. c.s.h consists of the UPI feed for all UPI news articles that are related to hockey, including game results, summaries, scores, standings, etc. Much of the information in the NHL team news section comes from this newsgroup. The rec.sport.hockey Frequently Asked Questions posting is posted semi- monthly, usually on the 1st and 15th of each month, during the hockey season. This file was originally created by Tom Wilson, who posted it during the 1991-92 season. It was taken over by Mitch McGowan for the 1992-93 season. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please make corrections via e-mail, indicating "r.s.h FAQ" as the subject line. Feel free to start a discussion on any previously mentioned topic (but use an appropriate subject line). Mitch McGowan <hamlet@u.washington.edu>

rec.sport.hockey

Note: I am *not* a cable freak, so I might have completely misunderstood what you said. Also, my math is frequently noted for being wrong, so you'll better check the calculations yourself. I assume that 14.4K means 14.4K Bits. So if we assume one start and one stopbit, and no protocol overhead, the effective number of bytes per second is 1.44K. Let's also assume that you do not want to transmit your speech in stereo, so that you can send 1,440 samples/sec. This corresponds to a Nyquist frequency of 720 Hz, which should be too low, especially if you think about the 8-bit low quality sound. Furthermore, your D/A converter will probably not present you with a signal that has been cut off at 720 Hz, but will instead alias in all the higher frequencies. (Although you can definitely build a filter to overcome that problem.) On the other hand, speech should be easily compressible. For example, you could form power spectra, or you could simply band-pass filter and then linearize the fourier transforms. It won't be CD quality sound, but it'll be discernible. The power spectrum method is very good in that respect. I have once programmed such a software compressor, and compression rates of 90% with relative errors due to linearization of less than 5% were common. Although I must say that these were musical sounds, not speech. Have fun.

sci.crypt

From article <1qkkl5INNbvo@hp-col.col.hp.com>, by theckel@col.hp.com (Tim Heckel): --When I was selling Nissans last summer, I sold a '92 SE-R in early August when its supply was getting quite scarce. The car was black with ABS, Value Option Pkg, and power moonroof. I sold it for $12,900 plus tax. Naturally, my manager didn't really care to sell one of the most desirable SE-R's for virtually no profit (to the best of my knowledge)..... --Aamir Qazi --

rec.autos

I read this morning that Sid Fernandez left last nights' game with stiffness in his shoulder. Does anyone have any information as to the extent of the injury (if indeed there is one), or weather the cold air in Colorado just got his joints a little stiff? Thanks for the help...

rec.sport.baseball

Yeah, the news is true...the Leafs lost to the Wings 6-3. Wish I could say I'd seen the whole game but my husband wanted to watch "Young Guns II" on another channel. Sometime between the first time I tuned in and d saw the Leafs tie and the next time I tuned in and heard the score was 5-1, something happened. Please no woofing from Red Wings fans. They're my third favourite team, and if they make it past the Leafs I'll wish them luck. As for Potvin...well, it WAS his fist playoff game.

rec.sport.hockey

I am working on a problem of scheduling classroom, and I will like to know if you have some software, papers or articles about it. If you have something relate it, please let me know. thanks

comp.windows.x

Dynamic RAM is not based on flip-flops; there's basically a single transistor and capacitor to store each bit! Static RAM is based on flip-flops, and is much more expensive and much less dense. And neither has any parts that "move", if electrons and thermal expansion are ignored... Chris

comp.sys.mac.hardware

[...Dr. England's story deleted, it was a nice read the first time through...]] It isn't so much a matter of 'interpretation' of Bible texts that sets Mormonism apart from orthodoxy as it is a matter of *fabrication*. About 20 years ago, _National Lampoon_ had some comic strips in them that were drawn by Neal Adams. They were called "Son o' God" comics. It was a parody of the Jesus in the Bible. In the comic, there were a group of thirteen Jewish kids from Brooklyn, and when one of them said the magic word, he turned into "Son o' God." He went from a myopic, curly headed, yarmulke wearing boy to a replica of the stylizied portraits of Jesus --- with long flowing brown hair and gentile features. Now, if someone were to profess faith in this NatLamp Jesus, and claim that they were a Christian because they believed in this NatLamp Jesus, we would have to say that this was fallacious since this Jesus was a fabrication, and did not really exist. This is the exact same thing that the LDS do when they claim that they are Christian. They profess faith in Jesus, but the Jesus that they profess to have faith in is as much a fabrication as the NatLamp Jesus was.

talk.religion.misc

You're drifting off topic. In any case, if you check on any of the topics devoted to gun rights issues, you will find ample evidence that the "misinformation" is your assertion that the term "the people" in the Second Amendment has mysteriously taken on a meaning diametrically opposite the meaning of the exact same term in the First and Fourth Amendments.

sci.crypt

There are no Mariner craft from which we are still receiving data. I believe you are referring to one or more of Pioneers 6 through 9 (launched from December 1965 through November 1968), which were put into solar orbits to study interplanetary space. I recall reading that at least one of them was still functioning 25 years after launch.

sci.space

I'm planning on buying a joystick (first time since I sold my Amiga five years ago :) for a PC. I have no idea what kind of stick I should buy. Many people have recommended variety of Gravis'es models. Are they any good/the best? -- Willy

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

I ride my bike regularly to classes with my book bag. I take the shoulder straps on the bag, and hook them around the rear turn signals. I works fine. You probably will want to attach it with a bungee cord to keep it from shifting to one side or another.

rec.motorcycles

Hi all, Could anybody please tell me where I might be able to find device drivers for a couple of older Gateway ethernet cards? I don't have the model number off hand, but they have only a BNC connector, and a header connector for a Novell keycard (one has one installed). I'm looking at using these with a 2 node copy of 10-net that I picked up at a swap meet. (I'd love to do Lantastic or Netware lite, but I'm a poor college student and the price was right.) Please reply via email, as I haven't had a lot of time for news because of exams and such.

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

There is a number you can call which will return a synthesized voice telling you the number of the line. Unfortunately, for the life of me I can't remember what it is. The telephone technicians use it all the time. We used to play around with this in our dorm rooms since there were multiple phone lines running between rooms. sorry!

sci.electronics

No flames please, but I picked up this discussion a bit late and I am really curious... What exactly *is* the $25 network? Something to hack together N serial cables? Something with N serial drivers?

sci.electronics

Yarn of Cargo of Human Bones [1] Copyright, 1924, by the New York Times Company Special Cable to The New York Times PARIS, Dec 22, -- Marseilles is excited by a weird story of the arrival in that port of a ship flying the British flag and named Zan carrying a mysterious cargo of 400 tons of human bones consigned to manufacturers there. The bones are said to have been loaded at Mudania on the Sea of Marmora and to be the remains of the victims of massacres in Asia Minor. In view of the rumors circulating it is expected that an inquiry will be instigated. - - - Reference - - - [1] _New York Times_, December 23, 1924, page 3, column 2 (bottom) - - - - - - - - - - - - On the 78th Commemorative Anniversary of the Turkish genocide of the Armenians, we remember those whose only crime was to be Armenian in the shadow of an emerging Turkish proto-fascist state. In their names we demand justice. In April 1915, the Turkish government began a systematically executed de-population of the eastern Anatolian homeland of the Armenians through a genocidal extermination. This genocide was to insure that Turks exclusively ruled over the geographic area today called the Republic of Turkey. The result: 1.5 million murdered, 30 billion dollars of Armenian property stolen and plundered. This genocide ended nearly 3,000 years of Armenian civilization on those lands. Today, the Turkish government continues to scrape clean any vestige of a prior Armenian existence on those lands. Today's Turkish governmental policy is to re-write the history of the era, to manufacture distortion and generate excuses for their genocide of the Armenian people. In the face of refutation ad nauseam, the Turkish Historical Society and cronies shamelessly continue to deny that any such genocide occurred. This policy merely demonstrates that in the modern era, genocide is an effective state policy when it remains un-redressed and un-punished. A crime unpunished is a crime encouraged. Adolf Hitler took this cue less than 25 years after the successful genocide of the Armenians. Turkey claims there was no systematic deportation of Armenians, yet... Armenians were removed from every city, town, and village in the whole of Turkey! Armenians who resisted deportation and massacre are referred to as "rebels". Turkey claims there was no genocide of the Armenians, yet...Turkish population figures today show zero Armenians in eastern Turkey, the Armenian homeland. Turkey claims Armenians were always a small minority, yet...Turkey claims Armenians were a "threat". In a final insult to the victims, the Republic of Turkey sold the bones of approximately 100,000 murdered Armenians for profit to Europe. Today, the Turkish government is enjoying the fruits of that genocide. The success of this genocide is hangs over the heads of Turkey's Kurdish population. The Armenians demand recognition, reparation, return of Armenian land and property lost as a result of this genocide. ARMENIANS DEMAND JUSTICE ERMENILER ADALET ISTIYOR

talk.politics.mideast

Heard last night that Paul Kuryia will be playing for the Canadian World Hockey team this year. He was on a local radio station when a friend of the familty called to congratulate him on the invitation. Meekly Paul told the host that he didn't think they wanted it out yet. This morning I heard that he is destined to play on a line with Lindros and Recci{unsure of this one}. If he plays well in this arena, he could go #1 or 2 in the draft.

rec.sport.hockey

You must not have tried very hard. I just opend mine in about 2 seconds. Take a look on the bottom, it has a dial that turns to open much like the older ADB mouses used to have. It's a bit harder to turn at first but it is quite simple to open. Well, if you don't match up the pins correctly you will have some problems. A close look at the socket should give you an idea of the proper orientation of the chip.

comp.sys.mac.hardware

Paul Prescod pontificating: PP>> Libertarians oppose BOTH waiting periods AND background checks PP>>-- or ANY prerequisite for exercising rights that are supposed to PP>>be guaranteed. PP>Let me get this straight. Unlike the other idiots in this newsgroup, PP>you actually support anybody having unlimited access to guns, PP>inclucing criminals. (or would you prohibit them from owning them, PP>but not from buying them?) PP>You are a supreme idiot. You make the other idiots look like Mensa members. Thanks Paul, for yet another fine example of the holier than thou gun control mindset. Why don't you add something intelligent to the debate, like maybe nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah. --- . OLX 2.2 . Fight crime..... shoot back!

talk.politics.guns

It is good to remember that every translation is to some extent an interpretation, so (as you point out below) one must really go back to the original Arabic. Regarding the verses relevant to nature, I prefer to use Dr. Maurice Bucaille's translations (in his book, "The Bible, the Qur'an and Science") for in general his translations are more literal. Maurice Bucaille translates the portion of the verse you are addressing as "...Each one is travelling with an orbit in its own motion." (Also note that "the celestial bodies" in the first translation quoted by you above is the translator's interpolation -- it is not existent in the original Arabic, which is why it is included in brackets.) You're right, what the verses _do_ contain isn't all that remarkable. However, Dr. Bucaille (a surgeon, that's how he's a "Dr.") thinks it is significant that the above verse contains no geocentric ideas, even though geocentrism was all the rage up until the 17th century (?) or so. (And this goes for the rest of the Qur'an as well, which has about 750 verses or so regarding nature, I think I remember reading once.)

alt.atheism

#### #### # ### # # 1 2 3 # Facing # # Female Plug End # 4 5 6 # # # # # # 7 8 # # # ############# Anyone Recognize this? It's my little layout of a eight pin female plug connector used for many mac peripherals. #####Problem########Problem#########Problem######## Printer (cheap) cables using this configuration switch a couple of pins between one end and the other. I want to use cheap cables for an A-B box. Anyone know which pins get reversed so I can do some creative editing on the internals of my box? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

comp.sys.mac.hardware

Could someone please post any info on these systems. Thanks. BoB -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Novitskey | "Pursuing women is similar to banging one's head rrn@po.cwru.edu | against a wall...with less opportunity for reward"

comp.sys.mac.hardware

Hi! I need a Windows 3.1 driver for the Matrox PG-1281 CV SVGA card. At the moment Windows runs only in the 640x480 mode. If you have a driver for this card, please send it with the OEMSETUP.INF to bockamp@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE Thanks!

comp.graphics

To everyone who wants fonts in Vivid/POV/Polyray. The Borland BGI font converter is VVFONT18.ZIP. This program can be found on FTP.INFORMATIK.UNI-OLDENBURG.DE directory pub/dkbtrace/utils. Also WUARCHIVE has mirrored this site (directory graphics/graphics/mirrors/ ftp.informatik.uni-oldenburg.de/pub/dkbtrace/utils. There are more nice utilities present in this directory. A new version of Polyray 1.6 (for those asked for it) can be found on the same sites but in the directory INCOMING instead of UTILS (PLY16386). Also in this directory POVSHELL and PV3DV060 could be found. Have a nive raytrace time. Peter

comp.graphics

You are probably referring to the products of Opto Diode Corp. 750 Mitchell Road Newbury Park Ca 91320 805 499-0335 The make some amazing IRLED's. The really high-powered devices are arrays of 3, 6, or 9, LED's on a TO-66 header. The 9-chip model puts out 6.5 Watts in response to a 5 Amp, 10 uS. pulse at a .5% duty cycle. I think these are designed as illuminators for IR vision systems.

sci.electronics

468DX2/66 EISA/VESA. Royal, among others, is celling such a system for $2010. -- Penio Penev x7423 (212)327-7423 (w) Internet: penev@venezia.rockefeller.edu

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

Hank Greenberg would have to be the most famous, because his Jewish faith actually affected his play. (missing late season or was it world series games because of Yom Kippur)

rec.sport.baseball

The home office number for ENVIRONET is (301) 286-5690 (note area code change). A friend of mine used to use it to get LDEF data, but he had to apply for a login name and password. I have a call in for more info, which I hope to get in the morning.

sci.space

<stuff deleted> Good gravy! Decibels are all *ratios.* The question that remains in any ratio is the reference unit used. Sometimes, this will be a reference power, such as 1 milliwatt (given a certain circuit impedance which should also be included in the fine print or known, like 50 ohms in an RF circuit of that impedance), leading to an accepted notation of dBm. Maybe it might be dBV, disregarding the impedance of the circuit and power developed, using 1 volt as reference *amplitude* (rather than reference power). Or, it might have an arbitrary or omitted reference that is not included in the notation, leading to just plain dB. So. look at it this way--'dB' has an implied reference while notation such as 'dBm' has an explicit reference. For power: dB = 10*log( P(measured)/P(reference) ) For amplitude dB = 20*log( A(measured)/A(reference) ) 'B' is for bel, which is a standard term for a log ratio to the base 10, named after Alexander Graham Bell. A 'deci' Bel is 1/10 of a bel. It has nothing to do with the Bell Telephone company except for the common founder's name. The small 'd'/large 'B' is per SI notation convention. I don't know anyone that's been crucified for messing it up. Common references for audio are: 0 dBm = 1 milliwatt across 600 ohms 0 dBV = 1 volt 0 VU (a zero on the VU meter) = +4 dBm (pro gear line level) 0 VU = -10dBV (consumer gear line level) Often times, a power amp VU meter will be aligned using the rated power of the amp as the 0 dB point. It is all done to whatever reference is reasonable for the application or moment. Note that in a circuit with a given (and maybe unknown) linear impedance, if the amplitude goes up so many decibels, the power will also increase the same amount. This proof can be done with the above two identities and ohm's law. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Medin Phone: (205) 730-3169 (w) SSD--Networking (205) 837-1174 (h) Intergraph Corp. M/S GD3004 Internet: dtmedin@catbyte.b30.ingr.com Huntsville, AL 35894 UUCP: ...uunet!ingr!b30!catbyte!dtmedin ******* Everywhere You Look (at least around my office) *******

sci.electronics

The operation going on in Somalia is a peacekeeping/peaceenforcement operation where force may be used. It is not a war. It is also legal under international law, which is higher than US law. The operation is occuring under the ageis of the United Nations. Can't get a higher authority than that on this earth.

talk.politics.misc

ekdfc@ttacs1.ttu.edu (David Coons): > > The rules say baseball is a game between two teams of nine > > players each. Let's keep it that way. niepornt@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Marc Nieporent): > Not any more the rules don't say that. So that's a pretty dumb > argument. REALLY??? My little mind be boggled! I don't have a 1993 Rule Book yet, so David, would you please post the new wording of Rule 1.01 -- I am MIGHTILY curious! Much thanks.

rec.sport.baseball

He also ignores a few other things. While organics would become significantly more expensive were all the oil to disappear (and thus some things would no longer be economically feasible), oil is hardly an irreplaceable resource any more than most other consumables. As supply decreases, prices rise and alternatives become more competetive. He also needs to consider that there has been an estimated 30 years of reserves pretty much as long as anyone has cared about petroleum; whatever the current usage rate is, we always seem to have about a 30 year reserve that we know about. [I'm not sure that last figure is still true -- we tend not to look as hard when prices are comparatively cheap -- but it was certainly true during hte 'oil crisis' days of the 70's.] -- "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden

sci.space

This is the new Buffalo one, the second since he's been with the Sabres? I recall a price tag of over $700 just for the paint job on that mask, and a total price of almost $1500. Ouch.

rec.sport.hockey

H E L P ! I have a problem in which I'm getting increasing frustrated every day... Some background about my PC: - American Megatrend BIOS (clone 386 SX) with 32M of RAM - config.sys file: device=c:\dos\himem.sys dos=high,umb device=c:\windows\emm386.exe noems files=30 buffers=30 stack=9,256 - autoexec.bat file is using smartdrv.exe +c - CMOS set up is running 0 wait state on read and write cache ram. The problem: APPLICATION ERROR from WIN31 I started off with a newly installed WIN31 and then installed EXCEL. Run excel, no problem. A permanent swap file of size 18K was in place for windows. Ok, I then proceed to install Norton Desktop for Windows version 2.0. No problem with the installation. I also allow NDW to alter my autoexec.bat(with the nav running on c:). The problem came when I try to (bring up excel or if excel is running and right in the middle of it - like click a selection with the mouse) from the desktop. First of all, I always get the application error screen followed by another application error screen with various different messages. The following are some of them: - Stack fault, by TC1024.DRV at address 0001:XXXX where XXXX is some number. (TC1024.DRV is the VGA driver provided by the manufacture) - General protection fault, by ndw.exe at the same address - Segment load failure, by ndw.exe at same address Some how, the address flagged was always 0001:something. What is address 0001:XXXX means? I have absolutely on idea what this mean. I tried commented out the TSR programs from autoexec.bat, no help. Is it something to do with the emm386 setup which is not telling WIN31 what it suppose to know. Looks like the application is crossing memory boundary when it is being loaded or while it is running. Please reply if you have any idea or suggestion. I'm willing to try anything.

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

: At the company I worked for previously, I received a file that was des encryped : and the person that had sent it, went on vaction. Rather than wait two weeks : I set up a straight frontal attack with one key at a time. It only took two(2) : days to crack the file. No, I don't have any faith in DES. : A.G. Fun! Three questions: 1) What hardware did you use? 2) When you found the key, was there anything about it that was special that meant you had been lucky to find it early? (Like the first 30 bits all being 0) 3) ... or did you mean a dictionary attack rather than a binary key attack?

sci.crypt

# # # Is there an Xt call to give me my application context? # I am fixing up an X/Motif program, and am trying to use XtAppAddTimeOut, # whose first argument is the app_context. What call can I use # to give me this value? # Use XtDisplayToApplicationContext() to retreive the application context. Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM --------- Waking a person unnecessarily should not be considered - Lazarus Long a capital crime. For a first offense, that is From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long Patrick L. Mahan --- TGV Window Washer ------------------------------- Mahan@TGV.COM ---------

comp.windows.x

Voyager has the unusual luck to be on a stable trajectory out of the solar system. All it's doing is collecting fields data, and routinely squirting it down. One of the mariners is also in stable solar orbit, and still providing similiar solar data. Something in a planetary orbit, is subject to much more complex forces. Comsats, in "stable " geosynch orbits, require almost daily stationkeeping operations. For the occasional deep space bird, like PFF after pluto, sure it could be left on "auto-pilot". but things like galileo or magellan, i'd suspect they need enough housekeeping that even untended they'd end up unusable after a while. The better question should be. Why not transfer O&M of all birds to a separate agency with continous funding to support these kind of ongoing science missions. pat When ongoing ops are mentioned, it seems to always quote Operations and Data analysis. how much would it cost to collect the data and let it be analyzed whenever. kinda like all that landsat data that sat around for 15 years before someone analyzed it for the ozone hole.

sci.space

: Has anyone ever heard of a food product called "Space Food Sticks?" I remember those awful things. They were dry and crumbly, and I recall asking my third-grade teacher, Miss G'Francisco, how they kept the crumbs from floating around in zero-G. She had no clue. I have not seen anything like them in today's space program. Some Apollo technology is best forgotten. -- Ken Jenks, NASA/JSC/GM2, Space Shuttle Program Office kjenks@gothamcity.jsc.nasa.gov (713) 483-4368

sci.space