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Does anybody out there have one of those food dehydrators I've been seeing all over late-night TV recently? I was wondering if they use forced air, heat, or both. If there's heat involved, anybody know what temperature they run at? My wife would like one and I'm not inclined to pay >$100.00 for a box, a fan and a heater. Seems to me you should be able to throw a dehydrator together for just a few bucks. Heck, the technology is only what? 1,000 years old?

sci.electronics

Most importantly, which Winbench version are you using? On my local bus ATI Graphics Ultra Pro, I've gotten various Winbench scores from 15.8 million to 31 million winmarks, depending on the version. Winbench 2.5 gives the most optimistic scores, 3.11 gives the least. A winmark rating is meaningless without a corresponding version number. Dan

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

Currently there are no "Velcro" jump boots as issue in the military, there are two other kinds. One is made my Cochran and sell for $85.00 in either the Clothing sales store or US Cavalry (Price match at the Cav store) the second co is also sold but somewhat cheaper in design. Actually they don't care what you wear as long is they are 10 eyelets high. There is another boot called a "Tankers boot" this has similar construction to a wellington boot except for the boot shape and has straps that wrap around for tightness. Nice boots

rec.motorcycles

I am seeking recommendations/Vendors for a Networkable FAX. It would mainly be used for outgoing FAX's from Mac's on our Net. The ability to Fax from other platforms would be a plus. Ethernet interface would be preffered but LocalTalk would suffice. Can anyone provide any info? Thanks in advance, --Peter

comp.sys.mac.hardware

Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!bu.edu!dozonoff From: dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) Newsgroups: sci.med Date: 21 Apr 93 16:18:19 GMT References: <PAULSON.93Apr19081647@cmb00.larc.nasa.gov> Sender: news@bu.edu Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: Tin 1.1 PL5 : {much deleted] : : : The fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made : by Kellog's makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to : something in the coating or the cereals. Of the four of us in our : immediate family, Kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever, running : nose, itchy eyes, etc. but we have a lot of allergies in our family history : including some weird food allergies - nuts, mushrooms. : Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it. Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested. -- David Ozonoff, MD, MPH |Boston University School of Public Health dozonoff@med-itvax1.bu.edu |80 East Concord St., T3C (617) 638-4620 |Boston, MA 02118 A couple of folks have suggested the "corn connection". In the five month period between the two seizures, my daughter had eaten a fair amount of Kix and Berry Berry Kix in the mornings and never had a problem. I checked the labels and the first ingredient is corn. She has also never had a problem eating corn or corn on the cob but of course, that is usually later in the day with a full stomach so the absorption would not be so high. I do believe that Frost Flakes have corn in them but I will have to check the Fruit Loops. But the fact that she has eaten this other corny cereal in the morning makes me wonder. Thanks for checking into this. All information at this point is valuable to me. Sharon

sci.med

Hi Adda, Most Bible scholars agree that there was one copy of each book at a certain time -- the time when the author wrote it. Unfortunately, like all works from this time period and earlier, all that exists today are copies. There are parts of books, scraps really, that date from around the mid second century (A.D. 130+). There are some complete books, letters, etc. from the middle third century. The first complete collection of the New Testament dates from the early 4th century (A.D. 325). Throughout this period are writings of various early church fathers/leaders who quoted various scriptures in their writings. If you mean that someone discovered thousands of "Bibles" which were all perfect copies dating from the last part of the 1st century...No! If you mean that there are thousands of early manuscripts (within the dates given above, but not letter perfect) and that the most probable text can be reconstructed from these documents and that the earliest original autographs (now lost) probably were written starting sometime shortly after A.D. 50, then yes. From the original authors. We call them Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul, James, and one other not identified. As long as you make it. Regards,

alt.atheism

**************************************************** 12) Management: BIG BIG ZERO. Sauer has yet to make a forceful agreement in favor of revenue sharing. ****************************************************** I meant argument instead of agreement. Also, I think I should add a coouple of Ted's positive achievements - Smiley trade was good for the pirates. but I think Ted could have gotten someone better than Neagle. Cummings seems to be pretty good. - The Cole trade was excellent. BUt Simmons has botched it up now. -This year's draft seems to have gone well for the PIrates. BUt then they lost 2 high picks in the Bonds fiasco.

rec.sport.baseball

Since everybody wants to see Pittsburgh players not playing, the Stanley cup would be devaluated. -- _____________________________________________________ Iskander AYARI

rec.sport.hockey

A note to users of Plexi-Fairings: If the light hits some of these just right, they become a giant magnifing glass and will melt a hole in your guage pod! ----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----

rec.motorcycles

I too, usually wear sunglasses inside my full face helmet to keep dirt & wind out of my contacts. Mumble, mumble, mumble ...

rec.motorcycles

From what I read, the other fellow told Salameh how to put it together over the phone. The bomb was supposedly some sort of sophisticated type, so to put a (I assume complicated) sophisticated bomb together from instructions _over the phone_ (!) one must need some brains I would expect. I read this in an article in "The Australian Muslim Times", the newspaper (weekly) of the Australian Muslim community. If this is true, perhaps one of the Muslims based in North America (if they see this posting) can elaborate. I don't deny this fact. The thrust of my argument here is that (a) Salameh is, according to US law, innocent as he has not been found guilty in a court of law. As his guilt has not been established, it is wrong for people to make postings based on this assumption. (b) Islam teaches us _not_ to harm innocents. If Muslims -- who perhaps have not realized that Islam teaches this -- perform such actions, it is _not_ _because_ of the teachings of Islam, but rather _in spite of_ and _in contradiction to_ the teachings of Islam. This is an important distinction. I should clarify what Muslims usually mean when they say "Muslim". In general, anyone who calls themselves a "Muslim" and does not do or outwardly profess something in clear contradiction with the essential teachings of Islam is considered to be a Muslim. Thus, one who might do things contrary to Islam (through ignorance, for example) does not suddenly _not_ become a Muslim. If one knowingly transgresses Islamic teachings and essential principles, though, then one does leave Islam. The term "Muslim" is to be contrasted with "Mu'min", which means "true believer". However, whether a Muslim is in reality a Mu'min is something known only by God (and perhaps that person himself). So you will not find the term Mu'min used very much by Muslims in alt.atheism, because it is not known to anybody (except myself and God), whether I, for example, am a "true believer" or not. For example, I could just be putting on a show here, and in reality believe something opposite to what I write here, without anyone knowing. Thus, when we say "Muslims" we mean all those who outwardly profess to follow Islam, whether in practice they might, in ignorance, transgress Islamic teachings. By "Muslim" we do not necessarily mean "Mu'min", or "true believer" in Islam.

alt.atheism

I'm waiting for an RC to speak up ! 8-) Nobody has, so I will... Those with Bibles on hand can give the exact chapter & verse... At the time Jesus told Peter that he was the "rock", He said whatever you hold true on earth is held true in heaven, and whatever you don't hold true won't be true in heaven. Therefore, with respect to marriage, the ceremony has to be done by an RC priest. No big parties required. Just the priest, the couple and witnesses. "Divorce" is not allowed. But anullments are granted upon approval by either the bishop or the Pope (not sure if the Pope delegates this function). --

soc.religion.christian

I've seen a film of it, my memory may be faulty, but as I remember it the vehicle was slightly over a meter long, with a thick baseplate 30-40 cm in diameter. I think the narrative said it was propelled by dynamite sticks. There were four detonations within about 2 s, the second coming after about 2 m of flight in. Max altitude seemed to be on the order of 50 m, but that is hard to judge.

sci.space

: >: English cars:- : > : >: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc. : > ^^^^^^ : > Talk about Harleys using old technology, these : >Morgan people *really* like to use old technology. : Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood) : frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)). : I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features. Hey! I wasn't picking on Morgan. They use old technology. That's all I said. There's nothing wrong with using old technology. People still use shovels to dig holes even though there are lots of new powered implements to dig holes with.

rec.motorcycles

Hi fellow netters, does anybody have any info on Tseng Labs ET4000 VLB card: price, speed, compatibility with existing and up-comming softwares, performance compared to others cards ( is it an S3 based card ?)....

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

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misc.forsale

In pure speculation, I would guess cautions based on hazardous pre-launch ops would qualify. Something like "Caution: SRBs have just been armed."

sci.space

I strongly disagree that absolute truth would not require interpretation. That's because truth may be absolute, but it may not be obvious. Like so many things, the truth is always subject to misinterpretation. I strongly suspect that we are reaching an impasse here, which is why I deign from commenting much further. Now hold it. I never said that Christians cannot be arrogant. Indeed, as many other Christians on SRC have stressed before, this is a trap that Christians must always be wary about. However, this does not mean that if you believe in the absolutes established by the Bible, you are necessarily being arrogant. A Christian can believe that the Word of God is absolute, but he or she should not expect this to be immediately evident to everyone. Not quite. You say that according to my stance, we cannot *reliably* determine what is true. That is not what I said. I say that as fallible human beings, we cannot discern the truth with 100% certainty. The distinction is subtle yet important. When a scientist performs an experiment, he can claim that his results are reliable, without claiming that absolutely no mistake whatsoever could have been made. In other words, he can admit that he could be mistaken, without sacrificing his convictions. Nobody can establish what absolute truth is with 100% certainty. Throughout the centuries, philosophers have argued about what we can know with complete certainty and what we cannot. Descartes made a step in the right direction when he uttered, "Cogito, ergo sum," yet we have not advanced much beyond that. Do you believe that other people aside from you exist? Do you believe that the computer terminal you are using exists? If so, can you be absolutely certain about that? Are you sure it is not some grand illusion? Of course, you have no such assurance. This does not mean, however, that for all practical purposes, you can be certain that they exist. So it is with Christianity. The most mature Christians I know have deep convictions about absolute morality, yet they acknowledge that there is a non-zero probability that they are wrong. This does not, however, mean that they should (or do) abandon these absolutes. As I said, we can never be absolutely certain that we are correct. This does not mean that we cannot be certain enough, in light of the evidence, to render all doubts unreasonable.

soc.religion.christian

Does ANYONE out there in Net-land have any information on the Cobra 2.20 card? The sticker on the end of the card reads Model: Cobra 1-B-1 Bios: Cobra v2.20 I Havn't been able to find anything about it from anyone! If you have any information on how to get a hold of the company which produces the card or know where any drivers are for it, PLEASE let me know! As far as I can tell, it's a CGA card that is taking up 2 of my 16-bit ISA slots but when I enable the test patterns, it displays much more than the usualy 4 CGA colors... At least 16 from what I can count.. Thanks! .------------------------------------------. : Internet: jele@eis.calstate.edu : : bbs.mirage@gilligan.tsoft.net : : bbs.mirage@tsoft.sf-bay.org : : mirage@thetech.com : : UUCP : apple.com!tsoft!bbs.mirage : `------------------------------------------'

comp.graphics

I was following an example of the LH the other day, and noticed the fit between the tunk lid and the rear bumper. The gap was quite small on the left side, but much larger on the right. Blech!!!

rec.autos

excellent question timothy. i hpoe the answers you get will be satisfactory as we can not understand the mind of god. but to attempt to answer you clearly. GOD of the Bible has given us humans relativly little about how he intends to judge mankind. the first test is those who have beleived that Jesus Christ is the Son of GOD and that his death and resurrection was sufficent to serve justice for all the acts we commit that are wrong in the eyes of god, the bible calls this sin. for those who die before the end of the world/have already died it is more complicated to explain without lapsing in to cliche. God must judge people on the baasis of their works in this world. however there is no plus and minus system for GOD. he has declared that he can not tolerate spiritual imperfection, thus he can only based your worthiness to live with him on the wrong in your life. Good people, yes even Christians are going to constantly sin before GOD, The Christian hoever thanks GOD that Christ has given his life for his sin's penalty. the proscribed punishment for sin is death, just as the proscribed punishment for robbery is time in jail. God then cannot ask for anything but punishement for those sins. He does not want to condem. the Bible says in John 3:17, that God did not send his son in to the word to condem it but that through him it might be saved." when i realize that i have sinned, and i do with painful regularity, i must approach GOD and ask him to not hold thew sin against me, i have that right and privlige only because of Christ. as for Jews they are promised that they must believe on the Messiah who would come, and dis come in Jesus of Nazereth. Muslims, i fear have been given a lie from the fater of lies, Satan. They need Christ as do us all. for those who don't have that right, in the view of the bible they stand olone in their defense. are you going to hell? i can not answer that for you. i can only say that perhaps it is eaiser to ask and answer how can i not go to Hell? that step is much more rewarding. stan toney stoney@oyster.smcm.edu my opinions are my own, you may borrow them

soc.religion.christian

During the regular season, when the intensity is down, not many teams have forwards who will continually go and park themselves in front of the opposing teams net...and the inadequacy of the Leafs defense in this regard thus didn't matter...however, the playoffs are a different story...every good team is going to have players who are going to become potted plants in front of Potvin...and the Leafs relatively unphysical defensive core will finally be exposed as weak an inept. Hard work will go a long way during the regular season...almost to 100 points...and the Leafs deserve credit for that...but in the playoffs talent matters, because everyone begins working hard.

rec.sport.hockey

Not to worry. The Masons have been demonized and harrassed by almost every major Xian church there is. For centuries now. And still they stand. They wil withstand the miserable Southern Boobtists, I am sure. They may even pick up a little support as people start to listen to the Boobtists and realize that subtracting the obvious lies and claims of Satanism that the Masons sound pretty good by comparison. One thing is known. A sizable proportion of Southern Babtists are Masons! And the Masons have already fired back in their own magazines against the Boobtist Witch-hunt. Since the Consrervatives have already been a divisive element with their war on Boobtist moderates and liberals, they may now start in on their Mason/Boobtist brothers and hasten their own downfall as more and more Southern Boobtists realize their church can't stand being run by a handful of clowns looking for holy civil wars and purity tests and drop 'em out of the leadership positions they have taken over. So as far as I am concerned, the louder, ruder, and more outrageous an Anti-Masonic Crusade these old goats mount, the better. Pop some pocorn and get a center row seat. The circus is about to begin. And, Oh Look! HERE COME THE CLOWNS! Pope Charles Slack!

talk.religion.misc

It works for me. I avoid obscenities, and try to remain calm cool and collected, and try something like, "You almost just killed me, and I'm not moving until you apologize." or something more or less benign like that. I haven't been shot a single time, but I don't do it in Texas, and I do only do it when there are plenty of witnesses around.

rec.motorcycles

Or little children at the market. (Or is that the Irish? Hard to keep all you not-really-English types straight.) --

rec.motorcycles

From article <1993Apr21.013846.1374@cx5.com>, by tlc@cx5.com: According to my ColoRIX manual .SCF files are 640x480x256 You may try VPIC, I think it handles the 256 color RIX files OK..

comp.graphics

Comparing the GTZ and GSR is apples to oranges, somewhat like a Mustang 5.0 and a CRX, both have very different ways of doing things and ought to appeal to different buyers, i.e., I don't think an Acura owner would be seen dead in a Chevy dealership or vice versa. [stuff deleted] No Integra I have seen comes with all-season tires. The GTZ does come with much bigger 16" wheels. The C+D figures are almost certainly bogus and based on a hot prototype supplied by Acura. The MT figures are more plausible. 16.1 sounds reasonable, probably faster than regular Integras. The GSR gearing is horrible for day to day driving. It needs a 6 speed box more than any other modern car. Essentially 5th in a regualr Integra equals 4th in the GSR, and the regular Integras are very buzzy at speed. The only person I knew with a GTZ had it bought back by GM as a lemon. It was a piecve of junk, but very quick for FWD. The only GSR owner I know had the engine throw a rod with less than 5k miles, a rare screw up by Honda. Both the GTZ and GSR are flawed cars. The performance enthusiasts would take the GTZ and the CR purchase would be the GSR.

rec.autos

As has been noted before, there is the distinction between _motivation_ and _method_. No experimental result should be accepted unless it is described in sufficient detail to be replicated, and the replications do indeed reproduce the result. No theoretical argument should be accepted unless it is presented in sufficient detail to be followed, and reasonable, knowlegeable, people agree with the force of the logic. But people try experiments, and pursue arguments, for all sorts of crazy reasons. Irrational motivations are not just curiousities; they are a large part of the history of science. There are a couple of negative points to make here: 1) A theory of qi could, conceivably, become accepted without direct verification of the existence of qi. For example, quarks are an accepted part of the standard model of physics, with no direct verification. What would be needed would be a theory, based on qi, that predicted medical reality better than the alternatives. The central theoretical claim could lie forever beyond experiment, as long as there was a sufficient body of experimental data that the qi theory predicted better than any other. (I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the triumph of qi, though. I don't think that there is even a coherent theory based on it, much less a theory that explains anything at all better than modern biology. And it is hard to imagine a qi theory that would not predict some way of rather directly verifying the existence of qi.) 2) Science has not historically progressed in any sort of rational experiment-data-theory sequence. Most experiments are carried out, and interpreted, in pre-existing theoretical frameworks. The theoretical controversies of the day determine which experiments get done. Overall, there is a huge messy affair of personal jealousies, crazy motivations, petty hatreds, and the like that determines which experiments, and which computations, get done. What keeps it going forward is the critical function of science: results don't count unless they can be replicated. The whole system is a sort of mechanism for generate-and-test. The generate part can be totally irrational, as long as the test part works properly. Pasteur could believe whatever he liked about chemical activity and crystals; but even Mitscherlich had to agree that racemic acid crystals were handed; that when you separate them by handedness, you get two chemicals that rotate polarized light in opposite directions; and the right-rotating version was indistinguishable from tartaric acid. Pasteur's irrational motivation had led to a replicable, and important, result. This is where Lysenko, creationists, etc. fail. They have usually not even produced coherent theories that predict much of anything. When their theories do predict, and are contradicted by experiment, they do not concede the point and modify their theories; rather they try to suppress the results (Lysenko) or try to divert attention to other evidence they think supports their position (creationists).

sci.med

I don't know what Traders is claiming, but it appears to me that the Oakland Tribune has censored gun ads in the past. Likewise for the San Francisco Chronicle, and I have never seen a gun ad in the San Francisco Examiner. Specifically, about a year ago on Thursdays, when Traders placed its ads, the Chron. ad would not have any graphics representing any handgun sale, though text could list it. The Trib. would run a graphic of a handgun. The Examiner would not have a Traders ad at all. Over the past year while Oakland politicians have made a lot of noise about measures to fight crime the Trib stopped taking the Traders ad, then started publishing it, but without any handgun graphic, then stopped, then started. Since the Trib. was sold some months ago it has not had the Traders ad. During one of these non-ad interludes a Traders employee told me that the Trib. had refused to take their ads. Yes, the usual Chron. Thursday ad was there today, with graphics representing rifles, safes, etc. as usual.

talk.politics.guns

only appreciated. Paul Coffey of Detroit RedWings

rec.sport.hockey

Hehehe, so you say, but this objective morality somehere tells you that this is not the case, and you don't know all the rules of such transcendental game systems... Cheers, Kent

alt.atheism

When the Quran uses the word *din* it means way of individual thinking, behaving, communal order and protocols based on a set of beliefs. This is often interpreted as the much weaker term religion. The atheists are not mentioned in the Quran along with Jews, Mushriqin, Christians, etc. because the latter are all din. To have a din you need a set of beliefs, assumptions, etc, to forma a social code. For example the Marxist have those, such as History, Conflict, etc. That they do not put idols (sometimes they did) to represent those assuptions does not mean they are any different from the other Mushriq, or roughly polytheists. There cannot be social Atheism, because when there is a community, that community needs common ideas or standard beliefs to coordinate the society. When they inscribe assumptions, say Nation, or "Progress is the natural consequence of Human activity" or "parlamentarian democracy is doubtlessly the best way of government", however they individually insist they do not have gods, from the Quranic point of view they do. Therefore by definition, atheism does not exist. "We are a atheist society" in fact means "we reject the din other than ours". Atheism can only exist when people reject all the idols/gods/dogmas/ suppositions/.. of the society that they part, and in that case that is a personal deviation of belief, and Quran tells about such deviations and disbelief. But as I mentioned, from a Quranic point of looking at things, there is no Atheism in the macro level. I think it took more than one minute.

alt.atheism

FOR SALE (RELUCTANTLY) ---- Classic Bike ----- 1972 YAMAHA XS-2 650 TWIN <6000 Original miles. Always stored inside. 1979 front end with aftermarket tapered steering head bearings. Racer's supply rear bronze swingarm bushings, Tsubaki chain, Pirrhana 1/4 fairing with headlight cutout, one-up Carrera racing seat, superbike bars, velo stacks on twin carbs. Also have original seat. Tank is original cherry/white paint with no scratches, dents or dings. Needs a new exhaust as original finally rusted through and was discarded. I was in process of making Kenney Roberts TT replica/ cafe racer when graduate school, marriage, child precluded further effort. Wife would love me to unload it. It does need re-assembly, but I think everything is there. I'll also throw in manuals, receipts, and a collection of XS650 Society newsletters and relevant mag articles. Great fun, CLASSIC bike with over 2K invested. Will consider reasonable offers. ___________________________________________________________________________ Timothy J. Shickley, Ph.D. Director, Neurourology Departments of Urology and Anatomy/Cell Biology Temple University School of Medicine 3400 North Broad St. Philadelphia, PA 19140 (voice/data) 215-221-8966; (voice) 21-221-4567; (fax) 21-221-4565 INTERNET: shickley@vm.temple.edu BITNET: shickley@templevm.bitnet ICBM: 39 57 08N 75 09 51W _________________________________________________________________________

rec.motorcycles

+++ ++Once inflated the substance was no longer ++needed since there is nothing to cause the balloon to collapse. ++This inflatable structure could suffer multiple holes with no ++disastrous deflation. + +preasure (and the internal preasure that was needed to maintain +a spherical shape against this resistance) caused them to +catastrophically deflated. The large silvered shards + +The billboard should pop like a dime store balloon. No, you're wrong about this. Give me some time to get my references.

sci.space

I don't think speed has been determined, since it has never run on Intel chips. But on the Amiga's Motorola Chips, it was one of the fastest true 'Ray Tracers' I don't think Impulse would port it over and not take speed into consideration. In terms of features, and learning curve... ALL that you stated for 3DS is also true for Imagine, and lots more... But I'll have to admit that after 3 years of use on the Amiga, the learning curve is very steep. This is due ONLY to the manual. It is realy BAD. However, there is a lot of after market support for this product, including regular 'Tips' articles in many magazines such as "AVID and a great book by Steve Worley called "Understanding Imagine 2.0" This book i is not just recommened, IT IS A MUST!

comp.graphics

Yes. I use 74HC4066 and others commerically for this purpose so rest assured it works fine. In one case I route bit serial digital audio using these and it is difficult to see any signal degradation at all which surprised me given some pretty fast edges. HC4066 is spec'd at something like -3dB @ 200MHz into 50 ohms. The more complex types are generally a little slower and more resistive. Plain 4000 series are not so good at handling 5v logic. Remember that the output load is seen by the input device.

sci.electronics

HELP!!! my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car. We live in South Fla., so we are definitely in the right are for one. My wife has mentioned the Miata, but I think it is too small. I would like to wait for the new Mustangs ( Dec. '93 I think). Anyone have any opinions on any/all convertibles in a reasonable price range.

rec.autos

rec.autos

All humans suffered emotionally, some Jews and many others suffered physically. It is sad that people like you are so blinded by emotions that they can't see the facts. Thanks for calling me names, it only assures me of what kind of ignorant people I am dealing with. I included your letter since I thought it demonstrated my point more than anything I could write.

talk.politics.mideast

I got just this far. What do you mean by "goal"? I hope you don't mean to imply that evolution has a conscious "goal".

alt.atheism

Hi, I'm writing a science fiction script and I'm looking for some answers to questions regarding the Moon and Earth. My starting point is an impossible situation. [I checked with a professor at berkeley and his response was a VERY helpful "can't happen".] If you enjoy playing with unusual ideas and are willing answer some questions please contact me via e-mail (jennise@dgi.com). I get extremely annoyed when screen and tele-plays ignore basic facts about computers that I'm determined to be as scientifically accurate as I can. Sorry for being vague, but I'd like to protect my idea as much as I can until I'm ready to sell it (hopefully).

sci.space

The last state church was in Massachusetts. Sam Adams, the patriot-brewmaster, during his tenure as governor after the Revolutionary War got it passed. I believe it was eliminated around 1820.

soc.religion.christian

I had a similar idea, for a fax/answering machine switch, to put both machines on one line. You order distinctive ringing from your phone company. This is $3/month here. You get a second (unpublished) phone number. When someone calls this number, your phone rings with short rings instead of long rings. You set up your answering machine on 4 rings and your fax on six rings. You'd give out the new # as your fax #. A device would measure the length of rings. When it detects a short ring, it turns off your answering machine. Five rings later your fax picks up the call. This should be cheaper and more elegant than the $80 switches now available. But that's not what I did. I'm giving out the new # to my friends and customers. This should leave the old # for telemarketers, etc. I won't pick up the phone when I hear the long rings.

sci.electronics

I'm looking for a complete hw/sw solution: I need an ISA/VLB scsi controller (e.g Ultrastor 34F) plus a tape drive (500Mb or less like Archive) plus a Windows program that will work on these. My intended system will have 32Mb RAM so plain ISA controllers will no longer do. But I also hear that the SCSI world is not very organized. So does anybody have a tape backup setup like what I'm looking for ? Please describe it. Thanks. e-mail please.

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

Wasn't Hulett injured yesterday after being hit in the face with a ball while running bases? I heard something about him recieving stiches and a possible broken nose. Is he at the park? Let's see how they feel when he's 0 and 4 with a 4.9 ERA. I have my doubts about Fernando. Well, when a fan favorite gets dumped, he's gonna get an outstanding ovation on his first return. Let's add up the ovations Cal has recieved over the years during the game and compare that to Billy. BTW, Sutcliffe's getting knocked around pretty good. Rangers up 5 - 1 in the bottom of the fourth.

rec.sport.baseball

1. Get the friend to uninstall it. 2. Read the manual (though from your post I infer that you are using pirated software.) 3. Go into SYS.INI and change the SHELL= line to read SHELL=PROGMAN.EXE

comp.os.ms-windows.misc

/ hpcc01:rec.motorcycles / groverc@gold.gvg.tek.com (Grover Cleveland) / 9:07 am Apr 14, 1993 / Shop for your bike in Sacramento - the Bay area prices are always much higher than elsewhere in the state. GC ---------- Affirmative! Check Sacramento Bee, Fresno Bee, Modesto, Stockton, Bakersfield and other newspapers for prices of motos in the classifieds...a large main public library ought to have a number of out-of-town papers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Graeme Harrison, Hewlett-Packard Co., Communications Components Division, 350 W Trimble Rd, San Jose, CA 95131 (gharriso@hpcc01.corp.hp.com) DoD#649

rec.motorcycles

(Deletion) You have given that example. It is not lenient. End of argument. And chopping off the hands or heads of people is not lenient either. It rather appears that you are internalized the claims about the legal system without checking if they suit the description. And wasn't the argument that it takes five men to rape a woman according to Islamic law? No, I even believe what I don't like. Can you give better answers than that? Have you got any evidence for your probably opposite claims? A fact, if memory serves. And most will see the connection between the primitive machism in the Orient and in Islam. As usually you miss the point. Aids is neither spread only through sex nor necessarily spread by having sex. Futher, the point is, a very important point, the urge for sex is stronger than the fear of AIDS. It is even stronger than the religious attempts to channel or to forbid sex. The consequences of suppressing sex are worse than the consequences of Aids. Please note that the idea that everybody would end up with AIDS when sex is not controlled is completely counterfactual.

alt.atheism

Ask me whether I'm surprised that you haven't managed to waddle out of college after all this time.

talk.politics.misc

Trashy move from a trashy organization. After the front office stated that nobody would lose their job over the Sens. poor performance, Bridgeman is gone within 24 hours of the teams final game. Yes...I know he screwed up letting the King's grab Loach. Sexton's qualifications (aside from being cheap)?? - he played some US college hockey, - he's pals with club president Bruce Firestone. Just the kind of experience you need when trying to build an expansion franchise. He'll probably be in the Hall of Fame next year! :-) This continues a tradition of front office gaffs: - Paul Anka and the arena deal - Denis Potvin and the GM postion - Mike Bossy and the scoring coach. How do people in Ottawa feel about how the club is being run??

rec.sport.hockey

It is 5 years old. Model CCD-V5. 6x zoom. Everything works perfectly. Uses 8 mm tapes (not Hi-8, that was not around 5 years ago!). $350 plus shipping or best offer.

misc.forsale

I heard third-hand (not the best form of information) that there was recently published results of a study on Multiple-Personality-Disorder Syndrome patients revealing some interesting clues that the root cause of allergy may have a psychological trigger or basis. What I heard about this study was that in one 'personality', a MPDS patient exhibited no observable or clinical signs of inhalant allergy (scratch tests were used, according to what I heard), while in other personalities they showed obvious allergy symptoms, including testing a full ++++ on scratch tests for particular inhalants. If this is true, it is truly fascinating. But, I'd like to know if this study was ever done, and if so, what the study really showed, and where the study is published. Any help out there? Jon Noring -- Charter Member --->>> INFJ Club.

sci.med

I guess that makes Altima the most generic car in the US.

rec.autos

I've been to three talks in the last month which might be of interest. I've transcribed some of my notes below. Since my note taking ability is by no means infallible, please assume that all factual errors are mine. Permission is granted to copy this without restriction. Michael Sternberg, Cheif of Operations of RIMSAT, was invited to speak at an informal lunch held by ACDIS here on the campus of the University of Illinois. ACDIS is an organization on campus that deals with Arms Control, Disarmament and International Security. RIMSAT was considered an appropriate topic because the company is using Russian launchers and satellites. I think it also helped that his daughter is a grad student in the International Relations program. The concept behind RIMSAT apparently began when Matt Neilson (?) went to Tonga to visit a friend. While he was there, he somehow ended up visiting the king, who happened to be a big TV fan. Matt bought the King a satellite dish, which the king thought was really nifty. Since Tonga has a GNP of about $70 million, His Majesty asked if there was any way to make money off this. Matt thought there probably was, so at his suggestion, Tonga applied for 31 geosynchronous satellite slots. While this isn't entirely off the wall, it was very unusual, seeing as Tonga was a tiny kingdom with no space program, and 31 is a lot of slots. The whole thing was debated in the appropriate regulatory agency and Carl Hilliard (who is apparently a respected space lawyer) wrote several opinions supporting Tonga's case. Eventually Tonga ended up with 7 slots, ranging from 70 E to 170 E (slots are designated by the longitude over which they reside). According to Sternberg, four of these, from 130 E to 142 E are the best in the world because they are excellently placed for communications between Hawaii and the Pacific Rim. RIMSAT was formed to use these slots. It was officially formed in Nevis as a tax haven. They tried for a few years to raise funds in the west, however, to fill 7 slots with western satellites launched on western launchers would have cost approximately $2 billion. It's not easy to raise that kind of money. Eventually, they hit upon the idea of using Russian hardware. They began negotiating with Glavkosmos for hardware. Mr Sternberg describes operating in Moscow in such harsh terms that I don't think I'll visit there for a long time. Besides a significant lack of creature comforts, he was not happy with the way that people operate. For example "everybody can sell you everything." Everyone can show the proper documents and licenses that indicate they are the only ones who have the authority to sell what ever you want to by. Eventually, RIMSAT arranged a deal with Glavkosmos for 6 satellites at a cost of $150 million. However, Glavkosmos lost favor after the coup. Sternberg says that this is because they were basically a bunch of KGB operatives who went to trade shows and picked up lots of brochures. Since Glavkosmos was out of power, he had to renegotiate the deal with the new authorities. He again described life in a Moscow hotel in rather unfavorable terms. Eventually, he worked out a deal and on Dec 4, 1992 he met with Koptev, who heads the Russian space program, to sign the deal. Koptev insisted on a few concessions before signing and according to Sternberg he arranged these new rules to allow himself to form another company to do the exact same thing as RIMSAT. The next step was to meet with the builders of the hardware, NPO Applied Mechanics -- NPO PM to use their acronym. This organization is located in Siberia (can't figure out how to spell the town, I need an atlas) and has built about 1500 vehicles since the dawn of the space age. Sternberg commented that siberians are very different from Musovites. They are hard workers, honest people who team up to get things done, very much like midwesterners. At this point there were some comments from the audience that agreed with his opinion on both siberians and midwesterners :-) Sternberg had lots of good things to say about NPO PM. His company is apparently lookng for $100 million to invest in the firm to become 50% partners.It apparently costs the Russians about $4 million to build a satellite that would sell for $50 million in the west. If you want to give them specifications, they'll build you a satellite. For the particular satellites that RIMSAT will be using, costs run about $378,000 per transponder year. This compares to $810,000 t/y in the U.S. They can sell their time for about $1.1 million compared to $2.6 million in the U.S. RIMSAT will launch their satellites on Protons. To get the best prices, they bought in bulk. They have the rights to twelve launches, so if any of you need a lift I can give you their address. The first launch is scheduled for October and they are getting one used satellite from the Russians, which is being moved into place now. Tidbits: * Sternberg says this kind of thing has to be done by entrepreneurs, not big business because big business is just like what they have over there, except that "we have better paper, both in the bathroom and in the copier." * Russian launches are self insured. The promise to replace a failed launch within 9 months. * Major investors in RIMSAT include Russell 20/20, which is a huge retirement fund organization, Cellsat, which is a big telecom business in southeast Asia, and a fund operated by some of the big names in U.S aerospace which he says is sort of an insurance policy for them if this really takes off. * He downplayed the instabilites in the ex-USSR saying that we are worried partly because we aren't used to seeing Russia as anything but an unvarying monolith. Italy gets a new government "every two weeks" but we don't worry because we're used to it. He predicted that once we get used to seeing what really goes on in Russia we won't worry about their stability as much. * Part of the problem with cooperative ventures is the problem of transfering money. The central bank has a policy of taking hard currency payments, putting 25% in their coffers and replacing the rest with the "equivalent" value in rubles. To get around this, RIMSAT pays their hard currency into an Austrian bank account. NPO PM then pays their contractors with foreign currency so that the only the contractors get swindled by the government. * One of the big problems RIMSAT has had is stonewalling by the western satellite industry. However, Intelsat recently bought three of the same type of satellites, which was rather reassuring. * The biggest worry most people have about russian satellites is the primitive technology and shorter lifetime. The older Gorizont (Horizon) satellites have a lifetime of about 5 years, while the more modern Express satellites compare well with western technology and last about 8 years. While this is much shorter than 15 years for western satellites, Sternberg downplayed the difference. At these prices they can afford to launch new ones. In addition, shorter lifetimes mean that they can replace their equipment with newer technology so they will be able to compete better than older, out of date hardware.

sci.space

Where do insparations/Miracles fit in? I was a new reader to the bible and Qu'ran at the same time in my life and I can tell you that I would have drifted in my faith if Those books were not exposed to me.

soc.religion.christian

Step 1) Join the AMA (American Motorcycling Association). Call 1-800-AMA-JOIN. Step 2) After you become a member, they will ship your bike, UNCRATED to just about anywhere across the fruited plain for a few hundred bucks. I have used this service and have been continually pleased. They usually only take a few days for the whole thing, and you do not have to prepare the bike in any way (other than draining the gas). Not to mention that it is about 25% of the normal shipping costs (by the time you crate a bike and ship it with another company, you can pay around $1000)

rec.motorcycles

2-gigabyte Fujitsu 5.25" disk drive internal drive, model M26525A (uses either a SCSI or EDI interface on your disk controller card) brand new, still in box, never used only $1800 (compare to $2400 in cheapest mail-order catalogs)

misc.forsale

So what. We think you're pretty hilarious too. I love how you Brit's kiss royal arse. That you're willing to throw out freedom-of-speech for the sake of protecting the reputation of the royal sluts. That the British government advertised in American newspapers "Send A Gun to Defend a British Home -- British civilians, faced with threat of invasion, desperately need arms for the defense of their homes." during WWII. [American Rifleman November, 1940] That The Obscene Publications Act and the Misuse of Drugs Act have been used as justification for the police to seize masterpieces such as William S. Burrough's "Junky", Hunter Thompson's "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas", and Tom Wolfe's "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test". British courts have never recognized the right to assemble or to demonstrate. That evidence obtained form coerced confessions is allowed in a trial. That only serious felonies warrant a trial by jury. That suspected terrorists must prove their innocence, instead of the government having to prove their guilt. That the secretary of state may issue an "exclusionary order" which bars someone from ever entering a particular part of the United Kingdom, such as Northern Ireland or Wales. That the BBC banned Paul McCartney's "Give Ireland Back to the Irish" as well as John Lennon's "Give Peace a Chance" during the Gulf War. Yes, England is very very funny. And very pathetic. So what. Laughter is a way of dealing with things we find uncomfortable. I thought the "Las Vegas Show Girl" ads on Las Vegas street corners were pretty funny. Yes indeed, there are many strange and wonderous things in this country. I wouldn't have it any other way. I don't disagree with that, I don't think it's bad either. So what. If they didn't come from here they would come from elsewhere disguised as cocaine. You can laugh all you want, for us it's a matter of life or death. I don't find that funny in the least. As for England: "As our allies become more open, Britain grow yet more secretive and censorious. Perhaps the real British vice is passivity, a willingness to tolerate constraints which others would find unbearble." [in "Britain, An Unfree Country" by Terrence DeQuesne and Edward Goodman, pp 33.]

talk.politics.guns

What is the status of cruptology for private citizens throughout the world? or, more clearly, is there a listing of countries and their policies on citizens encrypting electronic data? I'm curious how the Europeans handle this, for instance.

sci.crypt

I once read an article on Computer technology which stated that every new computer technology was actually lower and slower then what it replaced. Silicon was less effective then the germanium products then available. GaAs was less capable then Silicon. Multi-processors were slower then existent single processors. What the argument was, though was that these new technologies promised either theoretically future higher performance or lower cost or higher densities. I think that the DC-1 may g=fit into this same model. ELV's can certainly launch more weight then a SSRT, but an SSRT offers the prospect of greater cycle times and lower costs. This is kind of a speculative posting, but I thought i'd throw it out as a hjistorical framework for those interested in the project.

sci.space

The difficulties of a high Isp OTV include: Long transfer times (radiation damage from VanAllen belts for both the spacecraft and OTV Arcjets or Xenon thrusters require huge amounts of power so you have to have either nuclear power source (messy, dangerous and source of radiation damage) or BIG solar arrays (sensitive to radiation, or heavy) that make attitude control and docking a big pain. If you go solar, you have to replace the arrays every trip, with current technology. Nuclear power sources are strongly restricted by international treaty. Refueling (even for very high Isp like xenon) is still required and] turn out to be a pain. You either have to develop autonomous rendezvous or long range teleoperation to do docking or ( and refueling) . You still can't do much plane change because the deltaV required is so high! The Air Force continues to look at doing things this way though. I suppose they are biding their time till the technology becomes available and the problems get solved. Not impossible in principle, but hard to do and marginally cheaper than one shot rockets, at least today. Just a few random thoughts on high Isp OTV's. I designed one once...

sci.space

Are breathable liquids possible? I remember seeing an old Nova or The Nature of Things where this idea was touched upon (it might have been some other TV show). If nothing else, I know such liquids ARE possible because... They showed a large glass full of this liquid, and put a white mouse (rat?) in it. Since the liquid was not dense, the mouse would float, so it was held down by tongs clutching its tail. The thing struggled quite a bit, but it was certainly held down long enough so that it was breathing the liquid. It never did slow down in its frantic attempts to swim to the top. Now, this may not have been the most humane of demonstrations, but it certainly shows breathable liquids can be made.

sci.space

-> First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It ->makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar, ->lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he ->writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity, ->in the process he became a Christian himself. Sounds like you are saying he was a part of some conspiracy. Just what organization did he belong to? Does it have a name? -> The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a ->modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was. Logic alert - artificial trifercation. The are many other possible explainations. Could have been that he never existed. There have been some good points made in this group that is not impossible that JC is an amalgam of a number of different myths, Mithra comes to mind. -> Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would ->die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People ->gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing ->someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did ->heal people. Logic alert - argument from incredulity. Just because it is hard for you to believe this doesn't mean that it isn't true. Liars can be very pursuasive, just look at Koresh that you yourself site. He has followers that don't think he is a fake and they have shown that they are willing to die. By not giving up after getting shot himself, Koresh has shown that he too is will to die for what he believes. As far as healing goes. If I rememer right the healing that was attributed is not consistent between the different gospels. In one of them the healing that is done is not any more that faith healers can pull off today. Seems to me that the early gospels weren't that compeling, so the stories got bigger to appeal better. -> Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn ->to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example ->anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see ->this right away. -> Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the ->real thing. Or might not have existed, or any number of things. That is the logical pitfall that those who use flawed logic like this fall into. There are bifurcations (or tri, quad, etc) that are valid, because in the proceeding steps, the person shows conclusively that the alternatives are all that are possible. Once everyone agrees that the given set is indeed all there are, then arguments among the alternatives can be presentent, and one mostly likely to be true can be deduced by excluding all other possible alternatives. However, if it can be shown that the set is not all inclusive, then any conclusions bases on the incomplete set are invalid, even if the true choice is one of the original choices. I have given at least one valid alternative, so the conclusion that JC is the real McCoy just because he isn't one of the other two alternative is no longer valid. -> Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in ->the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal ->and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I ->write I will use it. JC was a rabbi. He knew what those prophecies were. It wouldn't be any great shakes to make sure one does a list of actions that would fullfill prophecy. What would be compeling is if there were a set of clear and explicit prophecies AND JC had absolutely NO knowledge of then, yet fullfilled them anyway. -> I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. It ->is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it ->should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's ->sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the ->same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives ->over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a ->real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But ->just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes ->time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life. ->It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in ->a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this ->time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be ->carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for ->ourselves. Here I agree with you. Anyone who buys into this load of mythology should take what it says seriously, and what it says is that it must be a total way of life. I have very little respect for Xians that don't. If the myth is true, then it is true in its entirity. The picking and choosing that I see a lot of leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Jim --- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- James L. Felder | Sverdrup Technology,Inc. | phone: 216-891-4019 NASA Lewis Research Center | Cleveland, Ohio 44135 | email: jfelder@lerc.nasa.gov "Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge, other people gargle"

alt.atheism

Well, a student body president can't exactly campaign on the stand that he's "tough on crime". Their job is to listen to what people want and fund things that make sense. Condoms and marijuana aren't exactly the worst things to have available either...

talk.politics.misc

Fellow netters, I'm in the market for a hand scanner. However, I don't know anyone who has one. I have my eye on two choices. Dexxa: This scanner is available at Wal-Mart for $90. It includes GrayWorks software and provides 400 dpi and 32 grayscales (I think). The OCR software Catchword is available through mail-order for about $90 also. Mustek: (Gray Artist for Windows) This scanner offers 256 grayscales (according to Cad & Graphics) and 800 dpi. It is available for $169 mail-order and comes with Perceive OCR and Picture Publisher LE. I am also looking at a Genius hand scanner (B105) from Cad & Graphics. It is basically the same as the Mustek scanner except for the resolution (400 dpi) and price ($149). Basically, I would like recommendations on which to buy. I have heard that Logitech makes the best and manufactures Dexxa scanners. But which one is the best buy? Would 800 dpi really be helpful (output would be no better than HP LaserJet III or Canon BJ-200 - 300x300 to 360x360)? I am leaning toward the Mustek because it offers the most features and is in the middle in terms of prices. Which should I buy? If you have a hand scanner, please let me know whether or not you would recommend it. Also, if you know of another scanner within the price range (under $225) that would be a better deal, please E-Mail me. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

Sorry to everyone for wasting space. Matt, the other day you posted that you were doing a mailing list of playoff stats. I lost your address. Please put me on that list. Thanks.

rec.sport.hockey

About 25 is correct for Numminen and Lumme. No, Kurri's points are too low. 27 for Kurri and 28 for Sel{nne. That's true. Game is so different here in Europe compared to NHL. North-ame- ricans are better in small rinks and europeans in large rinks. An average european player from Sweden, Finland, Russian or Tsech/Slovakia is a better skater and puckhandler than his NHL colleague. Especially defenders in NHL are mainly slow and clumsy. Sel{nne has also said that in the Finnish Sm-league game is more based on skill than in NHL. In Finland he couldn't get so many breakaways because defenders here are an average much better skaters than in NHL. Also Alpo Suhonen said that in NHL Sel{nne's speed accentuates because of clumsy defensemen. I have to admit that the best players come from Canada, but those regulars aren't as skilful as regulars in the best european leagues. Also top europeans are in the same level as the best north-americans.(except Lemieux is in the class of his own).

rec.sport.hockey

If you do make it into New York state, the Palisades Interstate Parkway is a pleasant ride (beautiful scenery, good road surface, minimal traffic). You may also want to take a sidetrip along Seven Lakes Drive just off the parkway for the same reasons plus the road sweeps up and down along the hills with sweeping turns under old forest canopy.

rec.motorcycles

: : I have an 8514/A card, and I am using windows in 1024x768 mode : (normal 8514/A font, not small). In the 386 enhanced mode : the DOS window font is too small for my 14" monitor. Is there a : way to spacify the font size for the DOS window? You'll have to : excuse me if there is a trivial answer, since I am fairly new to : MS Windows world. : : Thanks. : : (Please include this message for reference) : ====== S. Alavi [ssa@unity.ncsu.edu] (919)467-7909 (H) ======== : (919)515-8063 (W)

comp.os.ms-windows.misc

--------- Forwarding begins here --------- Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1993 15:39:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Women's Center <women+@andrew.cmu.edu> To: +dist+/afs/andrew.cmu.edu/usr0/women/dlists/happyhour-announce.dl@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: PROGRESSIVES HAPPY HOUR Enjoy good food and interesting company at the Progressives Happy Hour, Thursday 8 April, starting at 5:30pm at the Women's Center (located next to the laundromat in the Margaret Morrison Plaza). Kosher for Passover food will be served. All are welcome. (Good things to drink will be there, but paper cups won't. Please be progressive and bring a cup or mug with you.) Co-sponsored by the Student Government President and funded by the student activites fee.

comp.windows.x

I am a Mac-user when it comes to graphics (that's what I own software and hardware for) and I've recently come across a large number of TTTDDD format modeling databases. Is there any software, mac or unix, for translating those to something I could use, like DXF? Please reply via email.

comp.graphics

From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> Subject: Assistance to Palest.people U.N. General Assembly Resolution 46/201 of 20 December 1991 ASSISTANCE TO THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE --------------------------------------------- The General Assembly Recalling its resolution 45/183 of 21 December 1990 Taking into account the intifadah of the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territory against the Israeli occupation, including Israeli economic and social policies and practices, Rejecting Israeli restrictions on external economic and social assistance to the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territory, Concerned about the economic losses of the Palestinian people as a result of the Gulf crisis, Aware of the increasing need to provide economic and social assistance to the Palestinian people, Affirming that the Palestinian people cannot develop their national economy as long as the Israeli occupation persists, 1. Takes note of the report of the Secretary-General on assistance to the Palestinian people; 2. Expresses its appreciation to the States, United Nations bodies and intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations that have provided assistance to the Palestinian people, 3. Requests the international community, the United Nations system and intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations to sustain and increase their assistance to the Palestinian people, in close cooperation with the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), taking in account the economic losses of the Palestinian people as a result of the Gulf crisis; 4. Calls for treatment on a transit basis of Palestinian exports and imports passing through neighbouring ports and points of exit and entry; 5. Also calls for the granting of trade concessions and concrete preferential measures for Palestinian exports on the basis of Palestinian certificates of origin; 6. Further calls for the immediate lifting of Israeli restrictions and obstacles hindering the implementation of assistance projects by the United Nations Development Programme, other United Nations bodies and others providing economic and social assistance to the Palestinian people in the occupied Palestinian territory; 7. Reiterates its call for the implementation of development projects in the occupied Palestinian territory, including the projects mentioned in its resolution 39/223 of 18 December 1984; 8. Calls for facilitation of the establishment of Palestinian development banks in the occupied Palestinian territory, with a view to promoting investment, production, employment and income therein; 9. Requests the Secretary-General to report to the General The General Assembly at its 47th session, through the Economic and Social Council, on the progress made in the implementation of the present resolution. -----------------------------------------------

talk.politics.mideast

No problem, no offence taken ... It is sad, just as a lover of the sport, that this team can be in the metro New York area for over a decade and still exist as just a non-entity ... We're getting the Sabres-Bruins as the replacement game (and probably so are you) while the Devils-Penguins game is played on SCNY and the Islanders-Caps are the overflow game on the SCA (SCNY Plus). If the Sabres-Bruins ends early then we'll go to the Devils-Penguins game (assuming that ESPN follows their previous patterns; we got the last minute of the Islanders-Rangers and all of the overtime two weeks ago). ESPN's coverage started last night, by accident, but as one or more other writers have pointed out, they could've gone to wild hog wrestling for the evening instead ... gld

rec.sport.hockey

I'll post a summary after I get enough information. I'll include tips like "how to know when the monkey is pulling your leg". Shouldn't monkey's have to be bonded and insured before they work on bikes? Jack Waters II DoD#1919

rec.motorcycles

Sorry, I was, but I somehow have misplaced my diskette from the last couple of months or so. However, thanks to the efforts of Bobby, it is being replenished rather quickly! Here is a recent favorite: -- "Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. " S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu) -- "Satan and the Angels do not have freewill. They do what god tells them to do. "

alt.atheism

For sale: Nintendo Game Boy, Tetris, Castlevania Adventure, All-Star Challenge, Nemesis, Play-Action football, link cable. Make me an offer. Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat.

misc.forsale

You can add Steve Rosenberg, one-time White Sox reliever now in the Mets system, to the list.

rec.sport.baseball

Is there a Wyse 60 Terminal Emulator or a comms toolbox kit available on the net somewhere? Thanks.

comp.sys.mac.hardware

What in blazes is going on with Wayne Matson and gang down in Alabama? I also heard an unconfirmed rumor that Aerospace Ambassadors have disappeared. Can anyone else confirm??

sci.space

I have an IBM and run Windows 3.1. A friend installed Norton Desktop For Windows on top of this. It loads automatically when I type "win", and surely adds to the (already dismally slow) process of starting up. I would like to know how to STOP or uninstall this program!! I have taken it out of win.ini, but it still pops up running with windows. I did a big search and found reference to it in ndw.ini, system.ini and progman.ini. Removing it here causes a failure when starting up windows (progrman.ini has a "group 7 = ...ndw.exe..." which can't be deleted.) Is there anyone familiar with NDW who can tell me how to turn it off?? thanks! Chet

comp.os.ms-windows.misc

In some South American countries, after political undesirables disappeared, the family would get a notice of death and a bill for the disposal of the body. You apparently think that would be a good idea. The Federal Government initiated this action against Koresh and his followers, surrounded them for 51 days, engaged in psychological warfare, used heavy military equipment against US citizens on US soil; and now that the compound caught fire while they were pumping in CS gas after knocking holes in the building; disavows all responsibility. Big Brother is NOT always right.

talk.politics.guns

Here at Lewis and Clark College we have recently installed a Digital Film system (based on the Mac Quadra) that does non-linear, full digital editing. If you're considering such a system, here are the pros and cons: For the educational environment, this system is excellent. We use it to produce a variety of educational materials for disemination on our local network. Because this programming is going to be viewed on other Macs, the image quality is not as important as the ability to directly export the video to the Net. We also use it to produce orientiation and promotional video programs for use by the Lewis & Clark community. Since these programs are not meant for commercial or broadcast use, image quality is not critical. The Digital Film system, for those of you who are uninitiated, is an A/B roll digitizing system on one $5000 JPEG compression card. It was promoted as an inexpensive online editing system with SVHS quality. SuperMac, the maker of the card, is trying to achieve this quality level, but as yet, has been unable to deliver. Our system produces "near VHS" quality at 30 fields per second (640x480 overscan). The card repeats every other field to get 60 fields per second. This results in a kind of Super 8 film look that some find distracting. If you can get past this problem, you'll find the Adobe Premier editing software quite enjoyable with which to work. It produces thousands of different effects from crystalize filters to DVE transitions to color matting. Because of its non-linear nature, editing is fast and easy. If you've ever used (or seen used) an AVID or Montage system, you'll recognize the methodology and the user interface. The total system with Quadra 950 (40Megs of RAM), 1 gig drive, 21" Apple mon- itor, Panasonic SVHS 1960 edit deck, audio gear (cassette, CD, EQ, mixer, etc), Composite monitor, Digital Film card will set you back about $20,000. For you video cowboys and girls, this system will not output at a quality that will satisfy most of your clients. Even though you can perform more effects than a toasterhead can imagine, an Amiga based off-line based system will look better. We use both Macs and Amigas for our video work. Each for what each does best!

comp.graphics

Oh, Your Highness? And exactly why "should" the quotation marks enclose "laws," not "must." In case you didn't notice, it's the function of the "must" that I wish to ironicise. Perhaps the chimps that failed to evolve cooperative behaviour died out, and we are left with the ones that did evolve such behaviour, entirely by chance. Are you going to proclaim a natural morality every time an organism evolves cooperative behaviour? What about the natural morality of bee dance?

alt.atheism

I received the following two notes from Martin Hellman with details on how Clipper will work. They are posted with his permission. The implications of some details are fascinating. ------- Date: Sat, 17 Apr 93 23:05:23 PDT From: "Martin Hellman" <hellman@isl.stanford.edu> To: (a long list of recipients) Subject: Clipper Chip Most of you have seen the announcement in Friday's NY Times, etc. about NIST (National Institute of Standards & Technology) announcing the "Clipper Chip" crypto device. Several messges on the net have asked for more technical details, and some have been laboring under understandable misunderstandings given the lack of details in the news articles. So here to help out is your friendly NSA link: me. I was somewhat surprised Friday to get a call from the Agency which supplied many of the missing details. I was told the info was public, so here it is (the cc of this to Dennis Branstad at NIST is mostly as a double check on my facts since I assume he is aware of all this; please let me know if I have anything wrong): The Clipper Chip will have a secret crypto algorithm embedded in Silicon. Each chip will have two secret, 80-bit keys. One will be the same for all chips (ie a system-wide key) and the other will be unit specific. I don't know what NIST and NSA will call them, but I will call them the system key SK and unit key UK in this message. The IC will be designed to be extremely difficult to reverse so that the system key can be kept secret. (Aside: It is clear that they also want to keep the algorithm secret and, in my opinion, it may be as much for that as this stated purpose.) The unit key will be generated as the XOR of two 80-bit random numbers K1 and K2 (UK=K1+K2) which will be kept by the two escrow authorities. Who these escrow authorities will be is still to be decided by the Attorney General, but it was stressed to me that they will NOT be NSA or law enforcement agencies, that they must be parties acceptable to the users of the system as unbiased. When a law enforcement agency gets a court order, they will present it to these two escrow authorities and receive K1 and K2, thereby allowing access to the unit key UK. In addition to the system key, each user will get to choose his or her own key and change it as often as desired. Call this key plain old K. When a message is to be sent it will first be encrypted under K, then K will be encrypted under the unit key UK, and the serial number of the unit added to produce a three part message which will then be encrypted under the system key SK producing E{ E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number; SK} When a court order obtains K1 and K2, and thence K, the law enforcement agency will use SK to decrypt all information flowing on the suspected link [Aside: It is my guess that they may do this constantly on all links, with or without a court order, since it is almost impossible to tell which links over which a message will flow.] This gives the agency access to E[M; K], E[K; UK], serial number in the above message. They then check the serial number of the unit and see if it is on the "watch list" for which they have a court order. If so, they will decrypt E[K; UK] to obtain K, and then decrypt E[M; K] to obtain M. I am still in the process of assessing this scheme, so please do not take the above as any kind of endorsement of the proposed scheme. All I am trying to do is help all of us assess the scheme more knowledgably. But I will say that the need for just one court order worries me. I would feel more comfortable (though not necessarily comfortable!) if two separate court orders were needed, one per escrow authority. While no explanation is needed, the following story adds some color: In researching some ideas that Silvio Micali and I have been kicking around, I spoke with Gerald Gunther, the constitutional law expert here at Stanford and he related the following story: When Edward Levi became Pres. Ford's attorney general (right after Watergate), he was visited by an FBI agent asking for "the wiretap authorizations." When Levy asked for the details so he could review the cases as required by law, the agent told him that his predecessors just turned over 40-50 blank, signed forms every time. Levi did not comply and changed the system, but the lesson is clear: No single person or authority should have the power to authorize wiretaps (or worse yet, divulging of personal keys). Sometimes he or she will be an Edward Levi and sometimes a John Mitchell. Martin Hellman ---- Date: Sun, 18 Apr 93 11:41:42 PDT From: "Martin Hellman" <hellman@isl.stanford.edu> To: smb@research.att.com Subject: Re: Clipper Chip It is fine to post my previous message to sci.crypt if you also post this message with it in which: 1. I ask recipients to be sparse in their requesting further info from me or asking for comments on specific questions. By this posting I apologize for any messages I am unable to respond to. (I already spend too much time answering too much e-mail and am particularly overloaded this week with other responsibilities.)

sci.crypt

Piper lived in my town (Williamsport, PA) when he killed himself. It was in the early '60's. He had had more than a few books published by that time, but he was down on his luck financially. Rumor was that he was hunting urban pigeons with birdshot for food. He viewed himself as a resourceful man, and (IMO) decided to check out gracefully if he couldn't support himself. The worst part is that John Campbell, the long-time editor of Astounding/Analog SF magazine had cut a check for Piper's most recent story, and said check was in the mail. If Campbell had known Piper's straits, I'm sure he would have phoned to say hang on. Campbell was like that. I wish it had happened differently. I always enjoyed Piper's stuff.

sci.space

-- PAOLO,MARC ANTHONY Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332 uucp: ...!{allegra,amd,hplabs,ut-ngp}!gatech!prism!gt4661a Internet: gt4661a@prism.gatech.edu

misc.forsale

Issue 5 of the X Resource (the published proceedings of the 7th Annual X Technical Conference) has an paper by Mark Linton and Chuck Price titled "Building Distributed interfaces with Fresco". The summary describes Fresco (formerly known as XC++) as an X consortium effort. Without doing a complete review of the paper, I'll just mention the goals as stated in one section of the article. the effort has the goal of providing the next generation toolkit with functionality beyond the Xt toolkit or Xlib. Features they want in FRESCO include: lightweight Objects, such as Interviews Glyphs Structured Graphics Resolution independence Natural C++ programming interface edit-in-place embedding distributed user interface components Multithreading This by no means captures the complete content of the paper. The Conclusions sections mentions that a rough draft specification should be available in early 93, with no schedule (paper presented in Jan 93) for a complete sample implementation. I am not affiliated with any of the people or places mentioned above. -- Brian Dealy |301-572-8267| It not knowing where it's at dealy@kong.gsfc.nasa.gov | | that's important,it's knowing !uunet!dftsrv!kong!dealy | | where it's not at... B.Dylan

comp.windows.x

Does anyone know if the Twins games are broadcast in good ole Ames Iowa??????????????

rec.sport.baseball

: > My question is this: Is there a means of determining what the state : > of CapsLock and/or NumLock is? : Alright. Ignore this. I have delved a bit deeper (XKeyEvent) and : found what I was looking for. : ev->state has a bunch of masks to check against (LockMask is the one : for CapsLock). Unfortunately, it appears that the NumLock mask varies : from server to server. How does one tell what mask is numlock and : which are for Meta (Mod1Mask, Mod2Mask, Mod3Mask, Mod4Mask, Mod5Mask). : eg, SGI's vendor server has Mod2Mask being NumLock, whereas Solaris : 1.0.1 OpenWindows 3.0 has Mod3Mask for NumLock. Is there an : unambiguous means of determining NumLock's mask at runtime for any : given server? Sorry for the wasted bandwidth and my appalling ignorance. You'll have to check the keysym(s) on each of the keys for each modifier. The one with NumLock in its mapping is the modifier you want. A bit ugly perhaps but I think its currently the only way to do this (and it does have some precedent as keysyms are used to differentiate CapsLock from ShiftLock for the Lock modifier). I don't know of an accepted strategy for handling ambiguous assignments either. (ie. what if NumLock is mapped for more then one modifier). I suppose first found is as good as any. X doesn't handle locking modifiers that well. Hope that helps, Dave Lapp

comp.windows.x

^^^^^^ perSOB, I kinda like that Most people wave or return my wave when I'm on my Harley. Other Harley riders seldom wave back to me when I'm on my duck. Squids don't wave, or return waves ever, even to each other, from what I can tell. -- Michael Manning mmanning@icomsim.com (NeXTMail accepted.)

rec.motorcycles

I am looking for good add-on font cartridge for HP LaserJet II. I found in PC Magazine article IQ Enginnering and Pacific Data Products are well-known maker of cartridge for HP LaserJet series. But I couldn't find the model name of these products. Any suggestions please. Thanks in advance,

comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware

MLB is perfectly willing to take players from Cuba. They just have to defect first. Sort of like the situation used to be with Russian/Czech/etc hockey players, until the political situation in those countries changed.

rec.sport.hockey

Fellow netters, I just wanted to let you know that there are a few honest and good people out there (even outside of Iowa). I'm sorry if anyone thinks that I am wasting space, but I thought you might want some relief from the "So-and-so is a thief" posts. Not that I think we shouldn't hear about the bad deals, but it would be nice to hear some good news once in a while. After seeing his post on one of the for sale groups, I mailed Mr. Mark Miller a request for his copy of WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS. He suggested a price of $50 in his ad, but when I phoned him, he quoted $40 plus shipping. That sounded more than fair to me, so I told him that I would send him a check the next day. Imagine my surprise when I logged into my account the following day and found a message from him saying that it had already been sold (after I had just mailed the money order). After another E-Mail message to him, he apologized and assured me that it was a mistake - I was the one who he was holding it for. He sent the package as soon as he got the money, along with a letter stating a transfer of license. This wasn't good enough for WordPerfect, so I asked him to fill out one of their forms. No problem - we thought. It took three times to get it to the right address (my fault). Anyway, he mailed me the form for my signature and included a Workbook that I had no idea was included in the deal. Again, he apologized for not sending it before. I now have the world's best word processor and a renewed hope in the world that there are a few good ones left. I recoend that if you ever see that Mark is selling anything thatat you may want, give him a call. If I had the choice, I would purchase all of my software from him. Bravo, Mr. Miller!

misc.forsale

1. Software publishing SuperBase 4 windows v.1.3 --->$80 2. OCR System ReadRight v.3.1 for Windows --->$65 3. OCR System ReadRight v.2.01 for DOS --->$65 4. Unregistered Zortech 32 bit C++ Compiler v.3.1 --->$ 250 with Multiscope windows Debugger, WhiteWater Resource Toolkit, Library Source Code 5. Glockenspiel/ImageSoft Commonview 2 Windows Applications Framework for Borland C++ --->$70 6. Spontaneous Assembly Library With Source Code --->$50 7. Microsoft Macro Assembly 6.0 --->$50 8. Microsoft Windows v.3.1 SDK Documentation --->$125 9. Microsoft FoxPro V.2.0 --->$75 10. WordPerfect 5.0 Developer's Toolkit --->$20 11. Kedwell Software DataBoss v.3.5 C Code Generator --->$100 12. Kedwell InstallBoss v.2.0 Installation Generator --->$35 13. Liant Software C++/Views v.2.1 Windows Application Framework with Source Code --->$195 14. IBM OS/2 2.0 & Developer's Toolkit --->$95 15. CBTree DOS/Windows Library with Source Code --->$120 16. Symantec TimeLine for Windows --->$90 17. TimeSlip TimeSheet Professional for Windows --->$30

misc.forsale

and bill james is not? yeah. sure. do you own "the bill james players rating book"?

rec.sport.baseball

I have tickets for the TB Giants and I was wondering if anybody familiar with the stadium could tell me where Section 15 in the lower level is located. Please e-mail the response, Thanks, Rich

rec.sport.baseball

Absolutely, if I were assured by someone I trusted that the black box was more secure. I have nothing to conceal from the government, but I would like to be sure that any Russian, Japanese, French, or other competitors for my services can't read my traffic. I'd like to be sure that competitive bid information was safe from commercial competitors and foreign governments which would aid them. I believe the NSA has identical motivations with respect to my activities. The President and many other senior government officials have made it very clear that they share these motivations. Thus I'd trust them on the "coincidence of interests" argument as well as on a basic trust in their professionalism and a high confidence in their skills. David

sci.crypt

------ X-posted to comp.sys.mac.hardware and misc.consumers ------- You've heard about Apple's great new customer "support" program. Well, think again. Sometimes the only real support out there is what Apple computer users can give to each other. For another example, read on: In the March 15th issue of _MacWeek_, Ric Ford described a two-year effort by Liam Breck to document and bring to Apple's attention a problem with certain defective mice. At random, the switches on these mice "stick" in the down position until clicked a second time, apparently regardless of the machine they are used with or the system software involved. Most of the reported problem mice were manufactured in Malaysia and have an FCC ID of BCGA65431. You'll recognize this "sticky button" symptom immediately if you have such a mouse: the problem is intermittent, but it's not subtle. Liam Breck recently gave up trying to document this problem, and instead suggested that people contact Apple's Customer Assistance Center directly (_MacWeek_ 4/5/93 p. 64). When I called Apple on March 23rd and described my defective mouse, I was eventually given a case number (F83Y) and told Apple would replace this mouse even though it is a few months out of warranty. After waiting for three weeks, I called back today wondering where my new mouse was. This time, I was told that Apple had decided the serial number on my mouse (MB13831FC25) is not within the (undisclosed) range Apple is willing to replace, and there is nothing I can do about it. Nothing, that is, unless enough people complain about this problem to make it worth Apple's while to fix or replace the entire lot of defective mice. Please, if you have one of these mice, I NEED YOUR HELP! Don't assume you know what causes the problem (there are _lots_ of theories) and start hacking around inside your hundred-dollar mouse. Instead, let Apple do it. Please take five minutes to CALL APPLE RIGHT NOW at: United States 1-800-776-2333 Canada 800-665-2775 UK and Europe 33-1-49-01-49-01 Australia 61-2-452-8000 Japan and Pacific 81-3-5411-8500 If the number isn't toll-free, call collect. Describe the problem and ask for a replacement mouse. Even if they refuse, insist that they register the details of your case, including your mouse's serial number. Be firm. Network managers and user-group leaders especially, please query your user bases. Everyone ask your friends and colleagues. Please don't send mail to me or post yet another "sticky-button" report, CALL APPLE DIRECTLY! If enough victims take the trouble to report this well-known problem, Apple will eventually be forced to respond. If Apple continues to find it easy to stone-wall on this issue, don't expect them to offer support when the next, potentially more serious Mac defect is uncovered.

comp.sys.mac.hardware

(a) To use for sensitive but not strategically important traffic, (b) if the system was cheap. For example, I don't own a cordless phone. With Clipper, I would. If the local men in blue really want to listen to me talk to my friends or order pizza, I'm no worse off than I am now, and I don't have to worry about local kids or nosy neighbors. That is to say, Clipper "raises the bar" on insecure channels. It doesn't make them secure, by any means, but a wall, even if the FBI can get a master key by court order, is still better than a "keep off the grass" sign. So, where can I buy a DES-encrypted cellular phone? How much does it cost? Personally, Cylink stuff is out of my budget for personal use :)... The Second and Fourth Amendments do come to mind.

sci.crypt

I want to start of list for Syclone and Typhoon owners. If you are interested in participating, please contact me via e-mail.

rec.autos