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f70607433132-44 | thinking of this country your punya bhumi and your pitrubhumi your ancestral where your ancestors come from that person is a Hindu he or she can be um Jain Muslim Parsi seek whatever else but culturally and nationally they would be termed as a Hindu according to savarkar because they're from Hindustan Hindustan and the world saw alhin right from how the Persians and others saws this was to this part of the world was called Hind and so people from there were Hindu for him of course you know that that the very fact that there's a religion by the same name complicates the matter but that was is Hinduism that resists uh you know all kinds of predatory moves on it and also anything that looks at Hindu unification because savarkar's role even you know in ratnagiri uh in the 13 years that I mentioned was on caste eradication very few people today hindutva is equated with you know manuwa then all of that while in reality | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-45 | know manuwa then all of that while in reality here was a manhood for 13 years stood for a complete elimination of caste not just untouchability as Gandhi was advocating but removal of all kinds of and unifying the entire Hindu Society has one one strong unit so I think the the the misunderstandings that we have of this term as it grew is very unfortunate and we tag him with whatever as you said today's agenda and and today politics also enters that so much so that complicates things further um I have to bring you back to truth and history yes uh do you want to elaborate a little bit on kalapani kalapani to me ranveer I think is one of the most horrific it was the Indian Bastille so to say uh one of the most horrific aspects of our history which unfortunately we don't talk too much about I remember you know going there for my research uh in for savarkar and just the energy of that place and as someone | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-46 | and just the energy of that place and as someone who's sensitive to energies you can literally feel the kind of suffering that your ancestors who fought for the freedom of this country faced when you know they were hold there they were more than uh you know 300 400 revolutionaries largely the people who are holed up in kalapani along with the hardcore criminals and rapists and murderers and all that were the revolutionaries Congress people never went to kalapani uh this was like the worst of the prisons and the inhuman tortures they are unspeakable you know the basic human rights of facilities of good food good drinking water water or toilet facilities that also is not given to these people uh there was punishments of standing handcuffs your legs tied up for weeks and months and most of the food that was given that would have pieces of reptiles and whatever in it so eating most of that most of the people would uh you know get diarrhea and but they were fixed timings to | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-47 | get diarrhea and but they were fixed timings to go to the Loo uh and so at any other point of the day if you needed to ease yourself you couldn't go to the toilet and so most of the prisoners they would defecate and urinate in their own cells and you had to sit and you know sit down or sleep and even eat amidst your own squalor which would have been a you know soul-sapping experience and then this koluka Bell punishment as you mentioned earlier where the the Bell that was there the Bullock that would be yoked to the oil grinding machine instead of that you would have the the political prisoner who in the Blazing heat of Port Blair would have to go round and round that and extract about 30 pounds of oil and at the end of the day that would be measured and if it even one ounce less than that you would be whiplashed you would not be given food they were given the worst of you know clothes which would cause skin | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-48 | worst of you know clothes which would cause skin rashes leeches uh you know biting into their skin but no medical treatment given to them many of these were young people who were in their teens late teens early 20s not more than 30 and the kind of torches many of them lots of them actually committed suicide because they thought death was better than the kind of tortures that were meated to them in fact the British had also started an entire asylum in this place called Hado Island in Port near Port Blair because many of them went mad because they could not bear the kind of tortures that you know they gave them they were not given newspapers to read initially they were not given papers or pen or anything uh even savarkar uh you know he was a prolific poet from his nails and with charcoal he would write on this uh cell walls his poetry in Marathi uh and to spite him the Jailer would come and whitewash uh the wall in front of him | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-49 | and whitewash uh the wall in front of him but this man had such a precocious memory that uh you know he had memorized all not one or two but four thousand lines of poetry in Marathi called Kamala and saptarshi and all of that which he memorized and came out and those books got published so the kind of uh you know tortures that these people faced as I said earlier it's so easy today exposed factor to sit and pass judgments about all these people but uh do we even know uh you know in Port Blair in the cellular jail there's there are all these uh big walls on which the names of all the people and from which state each of these political prisoners came a lot of them from Bengal Maharashtra some and then you know the United provinces Tamil Nadu Bihar all these places uh when I just stood in front of uh that and just saw that and as I said I felt those energies of these whales and people who probably ended | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-50 | energies of these whales and people who probably ended their lives in a miserable manner uh it was deeply deeply moved and I remember coming back to my hotel room and breaking down because it took me a lot of effort to get over what I had experienced by just going into that but I I always say I think the kala Pani should be a place of pilgrimage for all you know Indian students to go there and the least we can do as a nation is to pay our gratitude to them uh not forget their names can we list 10 people who suffered in kalapani I don't think our history books do justice to that in our growing up years saying what else do we do at least remember their names and pay them that tribute and gratitude we are celebrating 75 years of Independence today thanks to the Blood Sweat and Toil and life of several of these great men and uh several women and I think we would be very ungrateful as a nation uh if we did | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-51 | very ungrateful as a nation uh if we did not do that and high time maybe through your show I hope many people who are watching this go to kalapani uh make it a regular part of the itinerary of some of their children or their students or whatever and that's so important intense um were women also part of it no not in kalapani very few uh most of them were men who were put there but women revolutionaries had other kind of I mean they were they they also someone like a Durga bhabi or a madame bhikaji Kama who sacrificed they left their families everything to do what they did uh you know so but what was the logic behind creating such a place it was to break people's spiritual Spirit yes yeah yeah probably the most intense place that the British had built yes and the British talking about human rights and all of that so while we ask them for an apology for jallianwala bagh uh which half-heartedly I think some of them gave including I think the | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-52 | I think some of them gave including I think the queen when she came here but uh I think we they owe an apology even to to the tortures in calab they owe an apology for several things but kalapani too and for the Bengal famine and all these kind of the worst of tortures and this is not some ancient history or medieval history we're talking of this was about 100 years ago or less than that so I think uh you know just being aware just but imagine we've not been told about it in this kind of graphic detail uh and so we don't think it is a big deal uh you know so information is par so once that knowledge comes into uh our control then I think change naturally follows association with nathuram godse that was the other name that came up in my research yeah um I'd love to hear about say as well let's hear that side of so again this is not me supporting God say what he did I don't think that death is uh | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-53 | what he did I don't think that death is uh the answer to anything honestly assassination assassination yeah I don't think someone else's life is in your hands to take yeah so I'm I'm kind of I'm almost against but I'd love to understand his motivations and how Veer sarkar is associated with him or with his side of the story yeah God say is a very uh interesting character that way I mean do we uh did we know like even the name it's nathuram so uh his his parents apparently had uh several uh all the male child uh who would be born in the family they would die and they thought it was because of some curse or something and so of some God and so they said uh they they tried to conceal the gender of this child and they used to put a nut to him you know uh the maharashtrian nose ring and so that's how he got his name nathuram uh which uh they thought because of if you make him a girl then he | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-54 | because of if you make him a girl then he won't die and he lived on to do what he did he came under the spell of savarkar when he was in ratnagiri and became his secretary his confidante and when savarkar was with the hinduma Sabha as its president he was a very very Ardent uh follower there was a youth Wing within the Hindu masabha of which nathuram and also this other guy called apte narayana together were executed for Gandhi's murder they were um you know um uh they were part of this youth Wing they were very trusted confidence but in his uh testimony in court God say himself mentions uh that you know as we came closer to Independence savarkar became almost a pacifist uh you know he said we are now going to get freedom and uh so there's we should support the new government it's now a government off and for and by Indians and not uh Outsiders and so we need to stop uh you | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-55 | Outsiders and so we need to stop uh you know being against Gandhi and nehru and all of these people which some of these Hot Blooded young men within the mahasabha Hindu Masa power against and he would say being one of them how old was he at the time it must be in his 30s yeah so uh that's one reason they decided to break away from him and in fact there's this anecdote that he mentions saying you know when Gandhi was uh and that was a peak of the partition and people were seeing the kind of uh you know refugees who are coming from their Trains full of copses and all of that women being raped and houses being plundered so and now Kali and the direct action what was happening in Bengal uh all of that was something that a lot of people including people like God say were seeing and they were blaming Gandhi for uh you know not taking enough action rightly or wrongly but then they were blaming him for uh | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-56 | wrongly but then they were blaming him for uh letting things come to this pass where in front of you there is a massacre uh I wish the partition had been planned better but that's because a British left in haste uh just as what they uh you know the Americans did in Afghanistan and most colonizing powers are that they leave the country they colonized to their to the vultures and and uh and they go away and what happens is bloodbath after they leave so something similar happened in the subcontinent and all these young men who were uh you know aroused by that they want they were seeking revenge and so in fact uh in my research I came across that God said they were not a professional Killers or anything they had all kinds of plans to take revenge they wanted to cross over to Pakistan and bomb the Pakistan assembly when it was in session to kill Jinnah and all these people uh you know as a retribution that was obviously it failed because how do you manage to cross | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-57 | obviously it failed because how do you manage to cross over and get ammunition and all that then they wanted to loot the nizam's treasury uh you know uh because nizam wanted to affiliate with Pakistan but for Sardar Patel we would not have had Hyderabad then around 12th of January 1948 when Gandhi made his call that if the Indian government does not give 50 crores or so to Pakistan as promised he will go on a fast and to death at the same time when Pakistani forces were incur they were incursions into Kashmir by the tribes and all those people that is when these people said this guy needs to be bumped off because uh you know he's a national security threat because uh at a time when Pakistan is attacking us why do we need to be so virtuous saying we promised you 50 crores we will give you and they are going to use that money to arm themselves against us so and for that this man is going on a hunger strike unto death and | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-58 | man is going on a hunger strike unto death and so these people 12th uh January just about 18 days before Gandhi was finally murdered uh was when they hatched the plot and in my book I detailed the entire thing based on about 11 000 pages of court documents that I found in the National Archives of India saying how these people went about it was a sham of an uh you know Arrangement they made an attempt on Gandhi's life on 20th uh Jan almost 10 days before his murder that was an aborted attempt the police trees of Delhi of Bombay knew that Gandhi's life was under threat but he was not given enough security which was again a big mystery as to why that happened there was so much of information lapses and finally Gandhi was a Sitting Duck uh emotions of all these people yes it was largely a very very charged atmosphere was charged not only God say I mean when Gandhi went on this fast there were refugees who were coming in | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-59 | this fast there were refugees who were coming in from Pakistan side who were in Delhi living on footpaths and all of that and they were shouting protests when Gandhi was in birla house saying let him die because we have lost our families our you know everything our property everything and come here and this man is supporting the same people and so that sort of charged atmosphere that was there even in Delhi in the heart of the national capital uh was something that probably inspired many of these people to pick up the gun and do what they did which I don't endorse at all as you rightly said um heinous crime like a murder is something that needs to be condemned but because he had this past affiliation with savarkar savarkar got dragged into the entire case uh and there was some police approvers called digambar badge who gave this uh you know sham of a story that God said went to savarkar's house in dadar in Mumbai where he's supposed to have told | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-60 | in Mumbai where he's supposed to have told them in Marathi that yes you know be successful and come back and that was a bunkum story some uh you know gossip there's no way to corroborate that with any evidence and on the basis of all this uh you know fixed match that it was savarkar was implicated in the case by then he suffered two heart attacks he was almost you know half dead uh there was no way that he would have done all this when as I said he was pacifist he was wanting to cooperate with the new government but he got implicated in it and there was the Red Fort trials that went on for one long year and seeing all the evidence the judge exonerated him among all the people other than the approval most of them served 15 16 years of sentence God said were hanged but savarkar was honorably exonerated by the court and as recently as now ranveer in 2018 there was someone who filed a pil in the in the | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-61 | someone who filed a pil in the in the Supreme Court saying savarkar's name was implicated in the Kapoor commission which was set up much later in the 60s to reinvestigate Gandhi's murder and this man called pankaj fardness who filed this he wanted the court to relocate it and exonerate savarkar now the Supreme Court appointed an amicus curate to go over all the documents and after one and a half years a bench headed by Justice bobday who was the cji later and Justice nageshwar Rao they gave a verdict in 2018 four years ago that the plaintiff's petition that savarkar's name is part of the conspiracy is null and void the high court the the trial court in Delhi what it exonerated him in 1948 that holds and this insinuation is wrong now something like when the Supreme Court of the country exonerates someone I think somewhere you should respect the court and the laws of the land and the matter should light to rest but then politics enters | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-62 | matter should light to rest but then politics enters the whole thing and time and again you have have these kind of insinuations made against him is his image being cleaned up now as it rightfully should because of the current government to an extent I think they've brought the focus back on him you know when you have that very powerful image of the Prime Minister of India going to Cellular jail walking through those scary you know ramparts uh where you can literally if you are sensitive you can hear the howls and screams of all those people and to also sit in savarkarcel and pay his tribute just that one iconic symbol I think does a lot to make people curious at least saying who is this person who to whom you know the prime minister of India is going and paying Obi senses too and I think those who are opposed to him by time and again raking up his issue or uh calumizing him they are further you know arousing curiosity particularly about the in among | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-63 | you know arousing curiosity particularly about the in among the young people because as I said earlier I think the forbidden fruit is always the tastiest so the more you berate someone the more the Curiosities among people to know what is the truth is it really what is made out to be so I think there is a renewed interest in the man his legacy what he stood for he had failings a lot of them and in my books have been quite brutal even about his failings but an understanding of the person the last first biography ranveer of his in English at least was written when he was alive in the 1960s by dhananjay kir from then till now so many biographies of Gandhi nehru all these people and rightly so you must reevaluate historical characters but savarkar would never open for re-evaluation and assessment he was literally a Persona non-grata any talk about him you would even lose your job so someone of the Eminence of Pandit mangeshkar in the 1960s uh | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-64 | of Pandit mangeshkar in the 1960s uh you know since savarkar was a prolific poet in Marathi and the mangeshkar family was very close to him so some of savarkar's poems which are iconic in Marathi you know and there's this other very moving poem so all these poems uh you know had tuned and Sagara was particularly it was sung by lataji and Asha ji and all the sister sisters and can you believe it for that crime of actually picking up his poem and this was Independent India in the 60s he got a show cause notice from all India radio where he was working uh saying can you explain why you chose this so we had this conversation of someone being a person or non-greata so just an illustration saying what is the level of demonization of a human being so ritenaji gets this show cause notice and in return very nonchalantly he says good poem great poet and that should be reason enough to pick the poem tune it | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-65 | be reason enough to pick the poem tune it and sing what was the General emotion in the poem well that was uh you know savarkar had written it while he was in London uh you know and uh he was on the sea seashore in Brighton uh and he was so overwhelmed with emotion and he shines the uh ocean the Sagara saying you cheated me and brought me here uh saying I'll get better education and I can be of some use to my matrubhumi but I am here stuck here and not being able to do what I do the Revolutionary movement had unraveled by then so there was a lot of frustration that was built up so uh his friend niranjan pal bipin Chandra Pal's son who was with him uh he says that almost uh extemporaneously he broke into tears and he composed this poem uh extempor and started singing it uh in his own way and that poem tuned in a different way now for that crime of doing that and for | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-66 | way now for that crime of doing that and for the show cause notice answer that he gave he lost his job in less than a week he was sacked from all India you and that is the freedom of expression Liberty all of that that we talk of that you know in a democracy as I said earlier even for these historians and others you can have differences of opinion you can have a differing viewpoint but even a discussion around that is not possible uh today at least we we're having a mainstream conversation on this a publisher like penguin has the you know uh gumption to publish a two volume biography on him in the 60s you know I might have been put in jail or the book would have been banned or anything like this would have happened so obviously when the people who are you know in the creative space they know the mind of the ruler that you do anything you are going to you know face it uh the consequences with loss of livelihood loss of job and all that | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-67 | with loss of livelihood loss of job and all that who would want to venture into that and that is why many of them including savarkar became you know unsung heroes and you know several things that came out in the course of the research of this book how do we even know particularly in Maharashtra after just as we had the 1984 anti-seek riots the horrific riots in Delhi in 1948 just flipped the digits you had an anti-maharashtrian Brahmin Carnage across Maharashtra really spearheaded by several goons of the Congress and this was as a retaliation against Gandhi's murder the same people who were singing songs of non-violence and nahimsa when their leader is assassinated and that is a horrible crime no uh condoning of that the crime is perpetrated against members of the caste to which God say belong which was a maharashtrian Brahmin and so several uh you know Maharashtra and brahmins were killed in different parts of Maharashtra they lost their | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-68 | killed in different parts of Maharashtra they lost their property there was ethnic cleansing of several Villages no cases filed none of it and so I put out on Twitter in fact you know saying I'm doing something on this and if you have family stories uh can you give to me and I was deluged with information that came from everyone saying this happened to my grandmother my grandfather my uncle my this and that and I also interviewed a couple of people who were in their 90s who were eyewitnesses to what happened and uh horrific tales as to how in those three two weeks or so of Mayhem following Gandhi's murder so many of them lost everything that they had for no crime of theirs just because they belong to the same community and the police didn't register Firs there was no justice to all these people and just think of it history they say repeats itself if you are not listening for the first time if I think we as a nation or as a | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-69 | if I think we as a nation or as a government if we had taken a strong stand against this that if someone is a political leader is assassinated uh members of the community of the Assassin should not face uh you know this kind of music maybe the anti-secretes would not have happened and many people would have been saved after what happened to Indira Gandhi so by but then we've let all this under the table but interestingly ranveer I mean I asked the people whom I interviewed if I could put out their identity out in public 90 of them said we'd prefer to be anonymous uh because the perpetrators of uh you know the crime their descendants and their whatever you know Associates are still in positions of a lot of power in Maharashtra and outside these were obviously maharashtrians themselves yes yes but then their successors are still very politically uh you know powerful so we've moved on we've rebuilt Our Lives which were shattered uh in the aftermath of this we | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-70 | were shattered uh in the aftermath of this we don't want to we want to give you the information but please let us remain anonymous and let us be happy in our lives which we have rebuilt uh so I think you know history also offers you that space to heal uh the wounds of the past and we need to do that with our history it's not just recent history all the other atrocities right from the ancient times whatever when we fabricate when we do subterfuge when we whitewash crimes uh particularly of genocide AIDS of murders of all of that I think that somewhere that unhealed energy keeps coming out and affecting future Generations we need a Truth and Reconciliation with our history it's not revenge stories it's not retribution it's not uh you know demonizing somebody or a community or group just make peace with your past get done with it and I think move on to build a better future and history should give us that very important lesson as to how these mistakes of the | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-71 | very important lesson as to how these mistakes of the past should never occur again how long did the British rule over India roughly 200 plus 250 yeah but yes we weren't independent for the last thousand years yeah true true so our generation is basically the First Independent Indian generation true which is what a lot of young people fail to understand yeah maybe because we've not sensed not perceiving Freedom so what that feels like true you take freedom for granted uh and I've learned about Freedom through the Special Forces soldiers that I've seen on the show who served in places like Sudan where Freedom isn't a thing for those people in everyday life so you kind of start valuing what you have as an Indian uh and that's made me think about what lessons we should learn from the past this divide and Rule situation has been used against us for a thousand years true not just by the British but everyone who ever invaded they turned one brother against the other yeah uh and we're kind of seeing a | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-72 | the other yeah uh and we're kind of seeing a repeat of that even now on places like Twitter with left wing versus writing true that uh India's biggest problem right now is probably happening from inside the country yeah where two sides are fighting each other yeah rather than understanding that where the fastest growing economy in the world yeah and we should be looking outward and figuring out how to sell Indian products and services and make money yeah and become a richer country uh which is actually what China has done yeah they've become rich first then become powerful yeah but China has managed to do that ranveer because they've set the Grand China narrative as to and they've made peace with their past they have told the stories of their past in the way it needs to be told uh we did not do that I think you know even for an individual if you have had a troubled past growing up years you have your inner child healing all of that that needs to happen right so it's | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-73 | of that that needs to happen right so it's same with a nation and a civilization anything that is wounded needs healing it needs to only then you can move ahead uh with confidence with closure uh if that doesn't happen then the ghosts of the past will keep hurting you will keep coming uh you know by your backside and there's no way you can escape you can push it away for some time but it will come again so I think we have not done that and as I said when you cover up something and you think you put all the muck under the carpet and you put some deodorant on it and the the smell stench won't raise that is a wrong way of going about things it will once the deodorants power you know comes down the stench is going to show up and we need to have as I said an honest assessment of our past make complete peace with it tell the truth as it is don't look at history as a tool for uh you know for contemporary political | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-74 | as a tool for uh you know for contemporary political correctness or think that you know this edifice of national Unity as you see it or social cohesion it cannot rest on the faulty foundations of fabricated history so don't think if you say say the truth some Community today will get uh you know affected or they will feel bad and so we need to cover up we need to make stories up that never helps so say things as they are and move ahead wow you have a lot to share man I'd love to actually unpack a little more in our next conversation I think you have stuff to share even beyond the British uh and Beyond the Indian Freedom struggle you're a fan of History just like the Watchers and listeners of this show so any final message to the people who've listened to this point I thought I gave my fable speech already about how maybe you can just tell people how to support you more I'm probably assuming that you're active on Twitter that's your yes yes social plan for Instagram a little bit | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-75 | your yes yes social plan for Instagram a little bit no not so much of an insta person but more on Twitter yeah and I think uh reading uh helps as you know my alma matter bits pilani had that is the uh tagline and I I truly believe in it uh knowledge is power Supreme so the more you read read every shade of opinion uh keep the windows of your mind open uh particularly when it comes to a subject like history and those of the viewers who are interested in history they should read Left Right Center whatever uh you know ideology the writer is and imbibe differing viewpoints and make up your own mind so I mean I'm not evangelizing my book and say all of you should read my savarkar book you read them at the same time you read also someone who's written an inimical by biography of his or a book of his and you make up your mind after reading all of that what you make of the person or of the other you know these bravehearts of | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-76 | or of the other you know these bravehearts of Bharat you read other people who have written about maybe the same person and make up your own mind you can love to love somebody or love to hate someone but let your love or hatred be informed let it not be based on rhetoric on assumptions on misnomers political propaganda and what your relatives have told you what your relatives and your peers have told you or what social media informs you use this important tool which God has given us to make up your own mind on the basis of information informed opinion is always powerful and that is my only message to everyone who's tuned in all right thank you so much thank you thank you so much that was the episode for today amongst a bunch of these history related topics so also spoke to me about his life in the modern day how he's criticized for a lot of his work how he's trolled how he is subjected to a lot of online hate because he's trying | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-77 | to a lot of online hate because he's trying to really uncover aspects of history that aren't out there yet I feel history all over the world is being Rewritten the Indian Freedom Movement should also be Rewritten in some aspects that's the one thing I've got to learn through this podcast not just this episode but this podcast in general talking to people like Abhijit chavra talking to people like Vikram sampath it's been a re-education process for me and through my re-education I hope that even you The Listener the viewer gets re-educated because we're in charge of this beautiful country now we owe it to the people who helped us gain freedom once again let's relearn history and let's put forward the new proof-backed history that we're learning through these great historians for more episodes like this make sure you follow us on Spotify every episode's available on Spotify 48 hours before it's available anywhere else in the world make sure you download level super mind as well it's my way of helping my country | 2coIKErAxUY |
f70607433132-78 | as well it's my way of helping my country and my country's culture and helping push it on a world stage make sure you check it out it will benefit you in forming habits in learning about meditation learning about yoga and lots more until next time guys I'm ranveer the ranveer show will be back [Music] thank you | 2coIKErAxUY |
078d579d6164-0 | I had a Maserati I had a Mini Cooper John John Cooper Works gcw Cabrio 211 horsepower red beautiful my favorite actually it was a mango bought a Ferrari I am a monk who sold his Maserati when you grow too fast you know to Grow Rich too fast you don't know how to handle your wealth then I think you kind of get lost and you become too materialistic and you lose your good friends and like we said in the beginning life is more about love and relationships and God so I think I started losing those good things when an innocent girl or a guy and she's possessed and then she says I'm from this place I'm from that place and you have never heard of such place until you verify and you realize that there was such a place that somebody had fallen down a Gorge and drowned or killed or whatever and just very unhappy and just wandering around looking for Liberation welcome to rgo presents the ranveer our spirit virtual podcast because truly after | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-1 | ranveer our spirit virtual podcast because truly after doing so many episodes I believe that it boils down to your spiritual sensibilities when it comes to long-term happiness and peace so when we're speaking about achieving it in style of course there's a material side to things there's a money-oriented family-oriented side of things but true peace happiness and curiosity are fueled because of spiritual conversations just like this had countless conversations about Hinduism on the show this is our first buddhism-centric conversation with palga rinpoche went to some dark places as well he's got an incredible life story he's a monk who adopted the monk life very early on in his own life left it in his young adulthood went to Europe need a lot of money and then figured that money is not the answer came back and continued his monkey Journey right from the place he left this conversation also goes to some mystical places so whether you're trying to learn about Buddhism whether you're trying to get a dark | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-2 | Buddhism whether you're trying to get a dark energy Rush from this episode or whether you're trying to answer your own spiritual questions you will enjoy this particular episode if I let you slip into it remember this look has been styled by agio so if you want to be fashionable just like fashion bhaiya make sure you check out the options available at rgo and of course as with any TRS episode our episodes are available on Spotify 48 hours before they're available anywhere else in the world because whereas Spotify exclusive our meditation app level is now live on the apps on the Play store and now I'll let you slip into another epic spiritual conversation of azure presents TRS baby [Music] thank you our first shoot in our new studio and I could not have wished for a more meaningful guest welcome sir welcome home thank you it was such an important moment in my life meeting you for the first time because I was fully torn apart I was very broken and uh I think we were in | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-3 | was very broken and uh I think we were in a room with my level team and often the burden of leadership is that you can't show all your emotions in front of your whole team it's just what captains is about and I knew that when I was talking to you you knew exactly what was on in my head I feel like my life has gone just upward after meeting you so I don't know what you did and I'm also kind of a little bit broken in life right now as we speak and I know you can tell uh that I'm not okay even now uh I think you're doing very well no thank you sir uh again here I talk about emotions and I think that's what the world doesn't understand you know Johnny Depp says that I hope that everyone becomes rich and famous to understand that that's not the answer I feel like I've reached that place in life where you realize love means so much more and God means so much more than all these material things true | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-4 | means so much more than all these material things true now I'll ask you how are you sir I'm good uh thank you so much I just came to Bombay briefly uh for some commitments and on top of that list my wish list on top of that was to try to meet you and I'm really happy to be meeting you and I'm really fortunate to have this opportunity today to speak with you on your wonderful show in this beautiful office so congratulations thank you so thank you uh really I feel you know the people who visit a particular space leave a bit of themselves here and since our space got renovated I feel like all the old energies have also kind of gotten renovated that's why I'm so happy to have you first here I just wanted to start with a kind of shubh Murat but let's get straight into it also uh you've had like a very interesting life to say the least uh if you had to speak about the story of your life in four sentences what | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-5 | about the story of your life in four sentences what do those four sentences be um four sentences difficult let me try Okay uh to be recognized as a Reincarnation of the previous um to have slept on the sidewalk when I was extremely poor uh to have experienced extreme wealth at a very early age I was 26 something I was already a multi-millionaire and having driven all the big cars slept in big hotels worn the big clothes and then the fourth one would be to realize that like you said love God um you know inner happiness those things are more important than materialistic things so yeah yeah that was the introduction to palgar and poche and his story no actually let's get into the story sure what's your earliest memory in Life or do you just remember things from your previous birth did you come with those memories um frankly and honestly speaking um when I was young I used to remember a lot about my previous life I used to remember being murdered being killed | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-6 | life I used to remember being murdered being killed um the previous Bulgarian was killed by the Chinese Invasion invading forces when China invaded Tibet in 1959 so he stayed back and um to protect his Monastery in eastern Tibet and um he got tortured and killed so um like I remember those uh brief moments of torture and some pain and to being killed that was I think one of my earliest memories of my life to remember the torture and the trauma of previous life what has Tibet historically been because there's a lot of Indians and probably even International listeners who don't know enough about Tibet but Tibet has its own very mystical very spiritual history uh draw out a picture if you can a little bit based on I want to say what you remember from your past life but I'm a little embarrassed to say that yeah but what is Tibet um in a nutshell Tibet is a protected uh Heaven um where Buddhism thrived and | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-7 | protected uh Heaven um where Buddhism thrived and survived not only survived but thrived uh they were protected by the mountains of the Himalayas and Buddhism which was founded in India by Gautam Buddha and then it was transported to Tibet uh all the Sanskrit teachings and Pali teachings were translated very uh rigorously very truthfully word by word into boti which is Tibetan language and uh Tibetan language we call it boti boating because it's a Himalayan language actually so we don't call it the Tibetan language anymore um so that's a place where the teachings of the Buddha were studied contemplated practiced and taught for centuries so Tibet is mainly known for the teachings of the Buddha yeah what is the born religion the bond religion from what I know and I do have some friends who belong to Born religion born religion was the actual religion of Tibet before Buddhism was introduced to Tibet and | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-8 | before Buddhism was introduced to Tibet and born religion it's very similar has many similarities to uh Buddhism I think they put a lot of emphasis also on shamanism besides the core philosophy which is similar to Buddhism they put a lot of emphasis on Shamanism also okay okay uh because from what I understand when Buddhism expanded outside of India it Incorporated many of the local traits in order to expand itself so I am assuming that the Buddhism that's mainly followed in Tibet is sort of a fusion of born as well as Buddhist yes understanding yes you're very right uh we did borrow a lot of elements from uh the bond religion for example I think uh I think I'm right to say uh the drum there's a hand drum a small hand drum that I think was mainly used um by Shaman practitioners and also I think in India damru was prevalent so even though it was not a Tibetan thing or a Himalayan thing it | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-9 | a Tibetan thing or a Himalayan thing it I think it was borrowed from other cultures uh also I think there is this uh small trumpet which is made from the femur the leg I think I think it's the femur I'm not really sure of a human yeah of the human leg if somebody's somebody dies um so they would just go and you know they will check out the leg it's a good looking leg especially if it's uh I think a footballer's leg would be very very healthy one the bone density would be crazy but then they would just check the leg and you know ask for the family because people I think in Tibet many parts of Tibet they don't actually burn the body they call it sky burial so they chop up the body and they offer it to the vultures as an offering wow okay okay uh while I began asking you about your life and previous life I want to actually talk a little bit more about Tibet and what significance does it | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-10 | bit more about Tibet and what significance does it have with respect to both China and India okay so roughly in about 1959 the Chinese uh invaded Tibet in order to expand their own country because the Chinese Communist party has an expansionist policy they're always trying to get more land it's just how their idea yes uh they basically went to Tibet and said now you're a part of our country it's kind of like what the British did in India yes that forced a lot of Tibetans especially people following Buddhism to come down to India and they settled in Himachal Pradesh mainly if I'm not mistaken if I said anything wrong yes no no this is what happened yes um and they were accepted and protected by the Indian government which is why the Dalai Lama sits in um why did you join your hands when I said just his name we respect him so much introduce us to this uh I don't know whether you can introduce someone who who is enlightened you know no | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-11 | introduce someone who who is enlightened you know no I think everyone knows I'm saying introduce your sense of respect um again I think my sense of respect comes from my inability to understand the the nature of Enlightenment um someone who has seen his country getting decimated at a very early age I think he was in teens 15 16 if I'm not wrong he had to escape Tibet and to see his countrymen being butchered for no reason and then having to flee his country and to come to another country though India has always been tibet's Big Brother as the Dalai Lama puts it because without India there would be I think no Tibet as we know it so and to come to a different country different climate um and then but not only to survive but to thrive and to um propagate the Buddha's teachings to each and every corner of the world I think to such a noble person down you know even when you hear his name the least you can do is to fold | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-12 | his name the least you can do is to fold your palms in respect that's it um okay uh please correct me if I'm wrong and this is just based on the little bit that I know about Tibetan Buddhism I believe that the Dalai Lama is the political and spiritual leader yes and under him there are multiple ranks and rinpoche is one of those ranks and your air in poaching yes but what is Aaron poetry um so uh just to uh clarify I am actually ladaki so I'm Indian uh even though I practice uh Buddhism which was um you know kind of um which became popular in Tibet but the kind of Buddhism that we practice we call it vajrayan Buddhism the diamond vehicle um it is practiced we use mantras tantras yantras um besides the core philosophies of the Buddha it is practiced along the Himalayas so I'm actually from ladakh but then as the de facto spiritual head as you mentioned of Buddhism which we | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-13 | head as you mentioned of Buddhism which we consider to be his Holiness um yeah so uh um in in the Buddhism that we practice there are like you said many different lineages once lineages and or of the many lineages I think they're like major four or five lineages uh one is our own we call it the dragon lineage um and within the dragon lineage I am one of the uh spiritual gurus reincarnated gurus okay you know I want to actually head into the point of talking about your story and I feel like context was very important to begin this long podcast that we have ahead of us if it's okay with you I would love for you to do a Buddhist chant before we begin the rest of the episode because I remember the Buddhist you are done at the level office it changed the full team so if it's okay with you sure um I would like to chant a mantra that is the Mantra of compassion uh Mantra of bhagwaneshwar it is uh you can | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-14 | Mantra of bhagwaneshwar it is uh you can call it the universal Mantra of Buddhism it um it liberates us from samsara uh all the bad conditions of samsara it empowers us with generosity discipline patience um diligence meditation and wisdom the six qualities so it's a very powerful Mantra and I will be very happy to send the reverberation of this Mantra in this office in the form of a chant and also to all our listeners in their houses yes very true yeah to everyone who's listening who's watching and um uh so basically this Mantra has six syllables and um the meaning of the Mantra is actually not as important as the actual uh vibration of the Mantra itself we chanted it's more important than to understand the meaning of the Mantra the basic meaning of the Mantra means um I bow down to the jewel wrapped in the Lotus I bow down I pay homage to the jewel in the Lotus and the Mantra goes like [Music] um | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-15 | Lotus and the Mantra goes like [Music] um and this is trust me the ultimate mantra the Mantra of all mantras so I'll do a short chanting um [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] home [Music] [Music] [Music] thank you so what I would like you to do now just to feel what you've heard what you've felt you know you notice as soon as you opened your eyes you were smiling beaming with your you know with your beautiful smile which you already have anyway but I think become a bit wider so that's what happens when you chant uh not only from your throat but also from your heart from your soul it really changes I think you at a very molecular level at a very basic level it transforms you actually so the kind of Buddhism that we practice we believe a lot in transformation we don't believe too much in struggling bit by bit and to achieve things the hard way we try to achieve things the smart way and we aim to transform | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-16 | achieve things the smart way and we aim to transform ourselves into Buddhas into pure beings so that's the the primary method of the Buddhist Himalayan Buddhism so strange that you're using the word transformation on my own personal spiritual journey that's a word I've been craving lately a lot um getting rid of my own shortcomings through the process of transformation and it's also very strange that through the process of this show which is my bread and butter I think God is transforming me through meeting people like yourself uh every time I meet you I get left with like strength like you know I've just met you once before but I'm already feeling that absurgeon strength right now uh I really feel like you're some Dragon Ball Z character you know and you're just like teaching me like some moves or something on a very spiritual level uh now after I've said this we can begin your actual story so uh at the start of the episode you said that you have memories of your past life of | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-17 | said that you have memories of your past life of passing away because of the Chinese invasion in Tibet um what do you specifically remember other than like the pain I remember extreme anger at anything Chinese or you know communist uh party propaganda anything like that I remember feeling very angry I remember telling my mother that this is not my home I belong someplace else and that um I want to go back my Village is not here my Village is very far away you're not my parents you're not my parents so I think I put my parents through a great deal of childhood trauma uh but besides that the image that I have in my mind is falling down getting poked I think with a bionet I think yeah so some very graphic images um and in this life you were sure that you were supposed to become a rinpochi no it's uh it's a strange thing actually because my guruji uh the 12 gallon Rupa who is the head of our lineage he saw in | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-18 | is the head of our lineage he saw in his vision without any uh doubt that I was born in ladakh usually what happens when a dream bush is born in a place uh let's say you here in Bombay and then guruji will uh guruji will send a search party saying I've seen a vision so go to Bombay go to Mumbai and then go to uh some places colaba go to juhu area you know go to bandra go to Andheri and then look for these look for this child he may be roughly this age his house may have this these many members the main direction of the door is this side is this many stories uh this many windows so he'll give like a list and he will also give like some of the previous incarnations personal items like my mother's this Mala if you put among 50 malas I will know which is my mother because I know exactly where some of the threads are getting worn out I know exactly when I threaded this Mala some of | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-19 | know exactly when I threaded this Mala some of them were misplaced and I replaced with the new ones so I know each and every bit of this Mala so he would give some of my previous incarnations you know items so that they will try to check they will mix with the new items and um with in my case my guruji didn't have any doubt so he said he knew it was me so he just sent a search party go and bring bring him direct style I was one that time so my mother requested that I be allowed to stay with her so I stayed with my mother until I was eight so I think I've been to second grade maybe second and a half grade yeah and then I was taken to Monastery were you thinking about the Buddha or were you thinking about spiritual things as a kid um honestly sometimes I think yeah it I think I would I would lie if I say that I was always thinking of the Buddha that would be a lie I was a normal kid | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-20 | that would be a lie I was a normal kid I remember reading a lot of Chacha Chaudhary Comics those things I remember frankly I remember eating chocolates that my father used to give me but honestly if I remember recalling a Buddha not that much to be honest with you I was just a very normal child okay um I have to ask you about the phase where you began living in the monastery uh if we could cover that but also I want to know why you got slightly disillusioned with Monastery life so take the story forward in whatever way you think is best okay so basically um uh when we talk about Ring purchase uh or the correct term is actually tulco t-u-l-k-u the correct technical term to describe us rinpochi basically means the precious one something like that so when uh when a toolku is born and he is given the title in poche tulco and all that um it usually doesn't have a choice he's brought to the monastery because it's his responsibility | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-21 | brought to the monastery because it's his responsibility to continue the lineage of the previous Incarnation and to teach the you know propagate the teachings of the Buddha um so when I was brought to the monastery uh I actually studied in Himachal in a small village called revolser uh where I think the movie kareeb was shot uh Bobby Dole and Neha I think I remember that song he was shot there so I grew up in that Village and uh that time my teacher was very rough he was from Eastern Tibet a very rough man very strong very kind very but still very rough and you may have seen in Shaolin movies where the kid gets a little bit beaten you know corporal punishment I think I've seen it maybe you can multiply it ten times I couldn't even Escape The Shaolin Kids Escape you know I was locked in a room and I would have to I would wake up at five in the morning and meditate the whole day giant whole day until six | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-22 | meditate the whole day giant whole day until six seven in the evening from five to six in the evening yeah maybe one two hours of break during the daytime after lunch a small Siesta and that's it and during the Siesta would try to read some Chacha Chaudhary comics and all that so I learned English like that that's the life of young Tibetan Monks uh that's the life of a typical young rinpoche young turku yeah monks usually enjoy more freedom sorry okay no go on yeah yeah months in July he actually enjoy more luxury more freedom so I used to look outside my third story window you can go next time we'll go together I'll take you to repulsar I'll show you where I grew up and I used to look down and I used to see monks playing Gilead under and I would be chanting yeah and I would with my one eye I'll be chanting one eye reading scriptures one eye I'll be looking at the monks and as if I | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-23 | be looking at the monks and as if I see some of the monks are cheating I would shout out from them cheating you're cheating so like doing commentary and all that uh so yeah usually they have much stricter life because we need to learn discipline at a very early age why ah because we sit on a big Throne which is five six foot my feet and we teach to from 100 to you know few thousand people so just in the dark past two months I've been teaching in all the villages I haven't had a single days break in two months and I think I talked to more than a few thousand people so we have to be disciplined we cannot just scratch our head whenever we want we cannot just twist and turn and go for a loo whenever we want we have to be disciplined you have to earn your stripes basically even in this life even though you're carrying certain spiritual yeah a lineage from your previous life yes okay like you have to relearn | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-24 | your previous life yes okay like you have to relearn it basically yes and I'm assuming that the meditation kind of encapsulates higher energies in your system to make you ready for your adult life that's a very uh true term that you use encapsulate yeah it's exactly that meditation and all these chantings all these studying you know all this contemplation and the transformation that happens it encapsulates everything I know there's no way to say this story fast but when you left the monastery also you didn't have money yeah you worked your way up from there yeah so the first time when I left my Monastery I think I was around 18 and I'd gone to England uh I didn't just go like that I had a friend uh who was a computer programmer a very good friend and I was very interested in technology in 1998 I remember someone told me there's something called email and something called computer at the little blew my mind and I did a computer course for six months I finished in one month because | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-25 | course for six months I finished in one month because I was so hungry for knowledge of computers it just fascinated me so I was a little bit tacky and I was trying to learn some coding you know Java C plus plus and all that and then this programmer I met and he saw that I was very curious so he thought that it'll do me good to see the West so he invited me to England on a six months Visa I overstayed and I stayed for two years which I'm not proud of to break the law of a country like that but I did gain a lot of experience and money uh when initial time when I went to England no I was quite poor I struggled a lot but then when I came back then I think I earned my points then I got a lot of teachings from my gurus I spent three years and three months in meditation um I think yeah I think I accumulated a lot of good karma and after that when I returned then I started meeting | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-26 | and after that when I returned then I started meeting very it's like attracting a lot of you know positive people some of them are extremely rich and I'm talking European rich and they really helped me with a lot of money they borrowed me a lot of money they taught me how to invest in stock which I did they helped me invest on on them on my behalf and the money grew obviously then I became very rich very fast and again I fell into another trap for a few good years five six years I think you enjoyed material well yeah I mean to the extreme you know I remember two big diamond studs I remember a mohawk I'll try to share some photos with you though I think maybe now is a good time to you know bring them out of the hard drive and share it to the world I think yeah I trust you with that um I've always kept it secret not like I'm ashamed or anything but just still it was a silly phase in my life so Gucci | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-27 | was a silly phase in my life so Gucci Armani from top to bottom I look like uh you know this showrooms threw up on me I had a Maserati I had a Mini Cooper in uh John John Cooper Works gcw Cabrio 211 horsepower red beautiful my favorite actually it was a mango bought a Ferrari I am a monk who sold his Maserati that's what some people call me actually so yeah a few good things yeah why did you leave it then because um I don't know ranveer I mean like as when I was okay when I was poor obviously you suffer you know you hardly can put bread on the table and and um you know I'm morsel into your mouth and you hardly have a roof over your head like I spent a few you know a few days maybe a week on the sidewalk in England when I was very poor I had depression and you know I got kicked out from my job and so many like stories um so like being too poor | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-28 | so many like stories um so like being too poor was an extreme being too rich was another extreme then I started to attract like people that I could not really relate to people who were always too materialistic though I don't judge people who have money obviously it's their own Good Karma but then I think when you grow too fast you know to Grow Rich too fast you don't know how to handle your wealth then I think you kind of get lost and you become too materialistic and you lose your good friends and like we said in the beginning life is more about love and relationships and God so I think I started losing those good things so I was starting to feel empty every day just wake up go to the gym in my Maserati you know and just work out and talk to the some of the I think footballers like Ricardo Quaresma he used to come to my gym I love him yeah he's he's trivial is something else so this was in Portugal yeah yeah he was in my | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-29 | this was in Portugal yeah yeah he was in my gym for one month I think he was going through some rehab that time I think he was playing in Porto if he was supposed to be better than Ronaldo yeah when he was young yes and uh the narrative in football is that he slipped off a little bit but you know who's to judge what kind of mental health issues you're going through I think circumstances are big but I'll tell you his vibe from his heart it's it was very pure it was a genuinely good guy they used to call him sigano in Portuguese Sagano I think he's a very endearing term for calling the Gypsy you know because he came from the gym the background so with a very endearing way Portuguese used to call him usagano like that Gypsy you know his hours and yeah so anyway uh so it was becoming very like repetitive the same cycle five-star hotels you know Michelin food and Barcelona 2012. I remember reads uh I | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-30 | food and Barcelona 2012. I remember reads uh I was stayed in his suite I spent 15 lakhs on two nights which was I think too much some of my friends got food poisoning seriously I think I still may have the receipt you're born in poverty and then you go to spending 15 lakhs in two nights it was crazy I used to have like few ATM machines so when I used to go to the you know in Europe they have like these um uh ATM centers and you have like three or four ATMs so just just show off to my friends as to put one card in each and quickly type before the time runs out and take money out and give it to the friends and again take the next amount you know three four cards put the pins just crazy and I was like yeah I don't think I've spoken to someone on this show who's seen this amount of life including your previous life yeah like you've seen the most amount of life and then you return to like | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-31 | most amount of life and then you return to like Spiritual Living and love says a lot yeah I'm I think I'm fortunate that I saw everything quite soon and uh I managed to get get back on track and right now I'm happy with whatever little I have sometimes I have little sometimes I have little more more than little right now I live on donations I teach and whatever people give me one rupee 10 rupee one thousand ten thousand it's up to them I don't charge for anything nothing at all so yeah is there a shortage of anything in your life no nothing at all I think as long as I can pay for my air tickets to come to Bombay and see you to eat Vada pav honestly as long as I can just I love photography um I've won a few decent cameras and good lenses I love photography so I like taking photos traveling seeing uh different places as long as I can do that I have enough money for that I don't think I need a Maserati | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-32 | for that I don't think I need a Maserati anymore in your extreme Rich ways you used to think about the monastery and your purpose and these things um yeah I used to think maybe like is this really what I want to do you know I would wake up in the morning and I would I could smell my mother's bread kambiri it's a North Indian dish and ladakh we call it kambis I think they also serve it in Punjab so my mother used to make them on Stone flat stone like the smell is very nice very thick my mouth is watering so and you put you know you just cut it in half you put a little bit of jam little bit of butter next time when you come to the trust me it's something else so cambiria I used to remember and I used to wake up and I could almost smell my mother's kambiri and her voice you know uh asking me to wake up I would wake up and then I would realize I'm in Europe I | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-33 | and then I would realize I'm in Europe I mean nice place but not in my home and I would have to eat some bread and all that you know so yeah so I used to think about a monastery I used to think about my colleagues I used to think about my spiritual path whether I've deviated too far with it but it's too late you know and uh whether I'm doing the right thing so but then I kind of got trapped because what happens when you have when you enter a certain circle in the society there's what we call in Hindi Lane then give and take so even if you want to withdraw you can't they won't allow you to because their own happiness the version of Happiness depends on you being a part of the circle so it becomes like a cog in the wheel so it becomes very difficult to come out of it I realize this um so either you just uh you know gracefully Escape gradually or you just immediately eject you know cold turkey yeah | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-34 | you just immediately eject you know cold turkey yeah cold turkey I think I did the cold turkey bit I bounced one yeah I just sold everything bought a ticket to uh back to India came to Darjeeling donated everything to you know we have another we have two monasteries one in Himachal one in Darjeeling donated to Darjeeling in Himachal came to zero and then again spent two years in Retreat just to detoxify all the Michelin food and all the all the traumas of the Big Brand okay so that's your story oh so many more questions and honestly this is where the podcast Begins for me okay because I had to give the listeners context yes before we move on to what's happened after that point and kind of what's up now and your perspectives on life which is the true depth of the podcast for me we have a segment called audio presents keep it casual where we unlock the human mind a little bit more in order to move forward in the podcast so | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-35 | more in order to move forward in the podcast so I hope you're ready yes round yes totally okay agio presents keep it casual with palgarinpoches sir now you can't think too long about the answers you have to kind of answer it quick and then I might ask you tangential questions just to understand you a little bit more okay in your free time what do you do now I read I write and I think okay what do you read novels uh Buddhist teachings um and comments on my Instagram page yeah and what do you think I think about the future uh based on my past experiences and based on what I'm doing right now next question for you what would an ideal death in this lifetime be a death will have no regrets but do you have a version of it physically I'm glad you asked I have this Vision that I'm lying flat on the ground looking up and the sun shining with a blue sky like this beautiful color you have yeah dark blue sky and this sun shining | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-36 | you have yeah dark blue sky and this sun shining through the leaves and me passing away okay do you have an incline towards when it is um honestly I have no idea okay I I hope I'm able to achieve certain things in my life for the benefit of the society and then but even now if I have to if I were to pass away tomorrow I have no regrets okay I'm ready to yeah you want to quickly tell us what those achievements could be um to help people look for true happiness which is within and not outside that's the main uh next question so other than your monk robes you have to die in another outfit what outfit would it be I used to wear a lot of Hugo Boss uh suits I used to have a few I used to love their cut and their style okay um I used to wear mostly boss black I for casual I had both orange and green right now I think I'll just wear some uh track pants uh maybe some tiger only took | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-37 | some uh track pants uh maybe some tiger only took her shoes and some new era cap okay basically I like I like baseball cap put it back and maybe some nice body hugging t-shirt okay like a gym goal yes Beyond being a little bit all right cool I think style says a lot about who the human is uh okay what's the key to making money ah the key to making money honestly speaking if you ask me honestly as a green Pusher as a guru is to accumulate Good Karma number one just know the Thunder you're gonna expand on that thought because if you don't accumulate Good Karma you will attract the wrong kind of wealth which will destroy the remaining wealth that you have already and break relations and life doesn't become worthwhile after that it's like having a rotten apple you know true okay what's the key to giving it up renunciation inner renunciation true renunciation renunciation based on realization let's go one layer deeper how how do you realize uh think you have to be fortunate | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-38 | do you realize uh think you have to be fortunate to realize it through karmic circumstances or you go through a deep trauma and then some big Misfortune befalls and then you think like this is futile like when kovid happened I think it opened the eyes of many people and made them realized that even though I'm a crorepati I'm not able to find a single oxygen tank and I'm not able to find a bed for my dying mother so I think it was a wake-up call so one good quality about suffering is that it helps you to renounce certain things um wow okay I want to actually ask you a little bit more about that you know you said something about being lucky through circumstance right now I feel there's only two kinds of people who actually choose spirituality in material Life One the ones who are born into a spiritual family and the second are the ones who go through suffering and there's nothing else I'd have figured yes yes um it's just that | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-39 | I'd have figured yes yes um it's just that you either go through suffering enough to accept that spirituality is more important than anything or your born in a family which teaches you that from the time you're a baby anyway am I right and say that yes you are you are really yes all right uh next question sir so you can't think too long one word that comes to your mind when I say the following words meditation peace crystals clear ghosts Phantom Buddhism love and compassion Buddha speechless okay all right they say that the place you stop in these one word games are the kind of thoughts that occupy the most real estate in your mind yeah like for me it would be love I would like stop uh love happiness all right uh what do most Indians not understand about Buddhism that Buddhism is not only limited to chanting and from a Buddhist perspective that Buddhism though has many similarities with Hinduism it is uh very different in some other ways okay yeah | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-40 | is uh very different in some other ways okay yeah we'll expand on this after you know the surroundings with keep it casual this is the point that allows me to go in different directions sure uh so it's something I'm very interested in knowing all right next question what do Indians not understand about ladakh that ladakh is not part of China the Nike is not part of like uh maybe ladakh is not in the area of Northeast many people don't understand that ladakh is very Indian that ladakis are very proud Indians there are many states in India some of them are happy to be part of our beautiful Constitution to have this national identity in ladakh we don't have that everybody's I can say I think I can say everybody is patriotic they we respect the Constitution we obey the rule of law and we're very happy that um ladakh is a part of India and that we are Indians yeah um this is why I love this podcast you know messages like this come out okay um because | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-41 | you know messages like this come out okay um because you spent time in Europe the next question for you is the best and worst thing about Europe ah um best things punctuality um you know respect uh for cultures a little bit more not that much stereotyping um certain things you know they're very professional you know and they uh like to this like to spend their time I think in in a more mindful way like when they go to Nature they don't take their phones with you like I remember when I was eating with my friends there were some elderly ladies and they scolded me for uh I think that iPhone 4 and I was just scrolling through something and they scolded me and they said in Germany like they were Germans and they said they call them social Killers so certain things you know when they when they eat they actually talk the converse and they have a way of eating and there's so many things good about them um negative things I would say um spirituality wise not as deep as | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-42 | I would say um spirituality wise not as deep as Indians that's I think the main thing that I saw which is then it causes other pains yeah yeah yeah yeah it it creates a lot of uh unanswered questions in their minds which they cannot solve with uh you know science science money or good eating habits or punctuality so there are certain things that go be a way beyond that okay um another outfit question for you I'm taking you back to Europe a little bit uh when you first gave up monkood what was your opinion on the clothes of the world because you're used to wearing robes as a monk when you first came out what was your opinion on style clothes these things um I think address everything like very baggy hip-hop clothes you won't believe like you couldn't you could fit an elephant in one of my pants it was very baggy uh trust me I think you wouldn't want to see my old photos people used to make chicken sounds when I used to walk | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-43 | used to make chicken sounds when I used to walk around you know because I had like chicken pattern clothes and like spiky hairs and all that but I think I was very fascinated by uh smart dressing like suits and all that you know very sharp smart dressings and like how the mafias used to dress up you know a big fan of Godfather yeah one last question for you yeah if you were to be buried and if you had a tombstone what would your Tombstone say Ah that's very difficult honestly here lies the eight bulgar in Pochi and he brought meaningful changes in so-and-so's life that's it nothing else all right and that was audio presents keep it casual sir that was fun so many new tangents to take this conversation on and this is where I will now skip the stories and ask you some of my own questions as well beginning with what you said about uh Hinduism and Buddhism being similar yet very different I'd like to know um I think it | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-44 | very different I'd like to know um I think it will not be fair on my part to say that I can compare both religions or both Fates uh because Buddhism I know a fair bit Hinduism I know I don't know that much but from what limited knowledge that I have and some of the swamis and the gurus and pandis that I know um the main difference would be that in Buddhism and I may be wrong but the one of the main differences would be in the intention and the motivation of why we do certain things like hawan for example fire Puja agniag uh chanting mantras going to a temple or even like eating drinking sleeping and you know just um breathing in Buddhism the idea is that um samsara is full of suffering the nature of samsara itself is suffering and samsara is the deluded state of mind that's what we call a samsara samsara is not a physical place like you can say juhu or you know | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-45 | physical place like you can say juhu or you know kolaba it's not like that samsara is when your mind is confused and deluded and your default emotions are that of ego ignorance anger attachment jealousy greed the negative emotions so if your default emotions are negative that's samsara and if your default emotions are purified and is that of patience compassion love generosity so on then is nirvana so in a nutshell that's how we describe it so in Buddhism especially in the Buddhism that we practice we wish for all sentient beings all beings living beings uh to be rid of suffering and to find Everlasting happiness and that's what we call enlightenment to basically wake up from this Matrix we yeah like the simulation of material ISM around us yeah because if I may expand upon it from over this perspective some uh whatever we experience whatever we see what do we feel has two modes one is appearance and one is his nature we are caught up in the mode of the appearance | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-46 | we are caught up in the mode of the appearance we don't we don't go beyond appearance and we don't see things for how they really are we only see and feel things for how they appear it's like a small child when he or she sees a movie and then see and then cries at the end you know the dog is died and the daddy will say no no no don't worry this is a movie dog hasn't died daddy sees the parents see the movie The appearance but they also know the nature the real side of it the background the child doesn't know so we are like children we're caught up in the display and we don't see the real nature of how things actually are we only see things for how they appear if you remember these two modes tomorrow when you have a meeting when you go to the beach when you play football when you go to the gym when you interview somebody else anything things start to make so much sense and you don't get caught up with the mirror | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-47 | sense and you don't get caught up with the mirror only the mere appears the Maya you go beyond that and you understand everything is impermanent everything is subject to change people are not bad by Nature temporarily yeah they get angry and all that so it's okay and sometimes it's okay not to be okay you learn YouTube perspective changes so in Buddhism our ultimate motivation is that all beings sentient beings be free from this kind of delusion and to see the you know the real nature of phenomena and to be free from confusion and so on what are the two Mayan and vajrayan what are the differences um so basically in Buddhism there are three different uh Vehicles we call them Vehicles they're like three different paths that you can go on um there is a therawada path which is mostly practiced in some parts of India I think Maharashtra is practiced quite a lot and you have in Thailand Cambodia have seen those monks orange robes Barefoot and all that they | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-48 | monks orange robes Barefoot and all that they practice a very Orthodox and very traditional form of Buddhism and based very much on discipline uh and their motivation and intention is mostly centered around themselves and their own small community now in mahayan uh it is expanded to all sentient beings not only to yourself and to your monk Community but is included including all the beings because no being no living being wants to be sad and every living being whether is human dog insect want to be happy that's why ants carry all that breadcrumbs that's why dogs wag their tails it's just there in nature so Mayana recognizes that and vajrayan is Mayan but it's like the turbo version of it with the Nitro so it's a very shortcut fast path towards Enlightenment like how we have Tantra yeah and we practice Tantra uh we practice you know like different kinds of practices we practice so we have included a lot of practices and traditions from different faiths also also from Hinduism we | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-49 | from different faiths also also from Hinduism we have adopted a lot of things also from like you mentioned at the beginning one or Shaman tradition they've employed a lot of things um yeah it's with the goal of Nirvana yes not only for yourself but for all beings so that might be the biggest difference I think between uh Hinduism and Buddhism yeah yeah Fair I mean there is a thought in Hinduism about thinking for the welfare of society but I've not come across or too many Hindu Scholars at least on the show who've spoken about complete General uh Universal Universal positives uh when you're a good person when you do good deeds you do accumulate a little more when you pray it's a little more karma when you meditate intensely it's a little more karma when you do certain Tantra rituals it's even more it's a volcanic amount of karma therefore you are able to move down the path of uh Enlightenment faster when you do certain rituals | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-50 | Enlightenment faster when you do certain rituals am I right right okay yes uh in the world of Hindu Tantra there's a big uh significance of deities which is basically a format of God so you have the universal God which is parabram and then you have a version of it which is understandable for the human mind that same God expresses itself as durgama or Krishna or Shiva or Hanuman it's gone but expressing itself in a version that would be helpful to you based on your subjective reality and path okay now what I understand is that in um certain parts of the world practice Buddhism even you have deities yes like Tara yes uh yes you want to give us a little bit about the Buddhist angle on deities and how does Buddhism generally look at deities because the Assumption about Buddhism is that we pray to the Buddha when we talk about Buddhism like that is Shiva I'm assuming you know like for a lot of Hindus | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-51 | assuming you know like for a lot of Hindus but a lot of Hindus Krishna is the ultimate so I would assume that for Buddhist Buddha is the ultimate but then where is there a room for deities okay so Buddha when we mention the Buddha the Buddha we are talking about Siddhartha gotama who was a prince in Ancient India and so on we look at him as an inspiration we look at him as a guide as a sort of like a prophet one who showed the path at least in this Eon in this kalpa in our age um so we pay homage to him but we don't see him as a god that is against Buddhist ideal so we don't actually believe in a Creator and a destroyer we believe in um the accumulation of positive Karma and negative Karma deities like Tara uh manjushri we have a mirrored amount of deities some peaceful and some wrathful really yes so by wrathful do you mean evil no but we don't | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-52 | wrathful do you mean evil no but we don't mean I don't mean evil I don't mean angry by wrathful I think the one way to put it would be choose the Indian anecdote of I love this word feels yeah Fierce fears you know we just use the term wrathful but not angry they're not angry at you it's like when a parent scolds you when your parents call you it's not that they hate you they want to harm you they want to help you they want to guide you but at that time you're too naughty so you will only understand the language of uh air pulling if you're lucky and a tight slap if you're not that lucky so in Buddhism we have wrathful in peaceful deities um and deities we see them as okay now if you talk about the highest level teachings of Buddha they are manifestations of your own true nature in a nutshell there are certain manifestations of your own true nature a reflection of your own true | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-53 | your own true nature a reflection of your own true religious deities yes likewar is the compassionate nature in a human form of your own true compassion Tara is a manifestation of your true Nature's activity manjushri wisdom vajrapani power and so on uh and then some of the deities the similarities are very vague and very similar but then the story the differences are very similar but basically that's how we see deities are we don't see them as external beings residing somewhere and just blessing us we try to um invoke them by chanting their mantras by visualizing them and in doing so we're not connecting with someone who's out there we're connecting with our own primordial true nature which is what we which we feel is enlightened so our true nature itself our core is good it's clean it's in enlightened it's just a wrapping it's wrapped up it's like a diamond Kohinoor wrapped up in a rag if you have a rag over there nobody would know there's a | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-54 | a rag over there nobody would know there's a Kohinoor inside so it's a bit like that so God is inside you yes you can call it God you can call it Buddha nature you know the Buddha nature you can call it Enlightenment yeah okay um you've witnessed a deity in front of you uh in the human form yes like he saw one is a 14 Dalai Lama he's we consider him to be a human manifestation of bhagwan abulakateshwar of the deity of my own Guru he's all you know he saw in his own Rupa we consider him to be the manifestation of different deities but usually the other manifestation of our kiteshwar because of we feel that the true nature of compassion manifests in human form in our society not only as a Buddhist but can be a Muslim can be Hindu it can be an atheist can be a scientist can be anything okay um I remember the last time I met you you spoke about a ritual you | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-55 | I met you you spoke about a ritual you had done where you had to become very cold for some time I'd love for you to share that anecdote with the audiences because it seems like it was a version of torture but now I'm understanding it might have been some sort of a tantric ritual you were doing for the sake of your spirituality going forward I mean I knew this then I just have the words to explain myself now okay so what was that and what did it do to you what happened at the end of it okay um the practice is called uh Tumo uh and it is part of the six yogas of naropa narupa was a great uh Indian uh mahasida an enlightened being and he created these six meditations we call them yogas but six different meditations so the primary one the one at the beginning is what we call Tomo it is basically Kundalini Kundalini Yoga so you use your the fire element of your body and you visualize | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-56 | your the fire element of your body and you visualize I'm not able to describe in detail because it is a secret practice uh and just so that people don't get um you know excited about this practice is so cool I want to do it they just do it for the sake of being cool and not for the true purpose so I will not go into the details but basically you are invoking your uh inner uh fire a channel in your body and you prepare yourself you do certain uh pranams certain breathings you do certain yoga certain movements and you prepare yourself for you know one month two months after that then we go to the Himalayan Mountains in ladakh and in January which is the coldest month the coldest day which is mid-jan trust me when I say it's cold in ladakh in the mountain it is extremely it's like I'm talking -30 actually I never took a thermometer with me but I think next time I'll take it I'll send you a screenshot if | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-57 | I'll take it I'll send you a screenshot if the phone doesn't freeze uh but I think it must be 25 minus 25 to minus 30 extremely cold so we depart at 7 11 p.m and we meditate throughout the night outside in a group or maybe like 5 10 15 people 15 yogis and we are dressed only with this belt and a special underwear that's it and we sit in the snow and we meditate using our breathing a combination of breathing a combination of visualization and um yeah that's it breathing and visualization you don't feel cold you don't feel cold you actually start sweating because your body generates that much heat yes because of your breathing patterns and your yeah and your visualization it's so powerful we don't even chant that time it's mostly breathing and because we have already prepared yeah you know for a couple of months and then your body starts to heat up and you start sting seeing Steam and the snow around you melts a little bit and we finish around seven a.m in the | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-58 | little bit and we finish around seven a.m in the morning when the sun is about to rise and sometimes we wrap um thin shawls wet shawls around the body to see how many you can dry up so it becomes like a mini competition it's a lot of fun actually so you're doing a dry cleaning business I don't know how hygienic it is but you're sitting there mine is 30 and people are wrapping you know wet is almost minus 30 they're wrapping wet shawls around you and you have to dry it with your uh Kundalini fire it's like some sort of an exercise yeah I think so okay yeah to see like um it's like a to measure your your you know the heat levels and the purpose is not to be cool or not to be famous the purpose is that you use this inner fire to burn your negative emotions and to inflame the fire of compassion in love then what happens and I think I'm allowed to talk about this only until that point you gain what | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-59 | talk about this only until that point you gain what we call means great joy your body feels it's sort of like honestly I think I'm not wrong when I say it's kind of like orgasmic but it's constant and you feel this great joy permeating through your body and you're always happy you're always kind of like in a high it's a very weird feeling but even that's a distraction uh yeah I mean it can be the wrong motivation for people to do it but then I think if you prepare yourself well and if you have a good guide you know not to get caught up with these kind of uh experiences okay um so it's basically for Spiritual advancement it's an exercise and you test yourself every year to see if you can go further yes okay that's it and I'm sure there's a ton of practices you can't even speak about on the show yes all right yes uh I don't want to prove much no no it's okay I will only speak as much as I | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-60 | okay I will only speak as much as I feel I'm allowed to all right because this is the ranveer show yes one of the themes we have on the show is the occult my intention for always bringing up the occult is because it grips teenagers it grips the modern day human yes times have gotten so dark in your past life it ended in a dark fashion it says something about where human nature is going and even the human nature sometimes is beyond our control as human beings it's God's doing times are becoming dark my intention for bringing up these kind of Concepts on the show is so that people listen in and then also listen to the spiritual stuff because not everyone said it'll just listen to the spirituals yes do you deal with occult elements in your own practices in terms of the one thing I've learned about the Paranormal and it comes up a lot on the show is that when we talk about things like ghosts or beings or aspects of Satan they feed off of | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-61 | beings or aspects of Satan they feed off of the same energy that you're accumulating for your spiritual practice being a Buddhist I don't lie and I will not lie ever and especially not on your show um I will not say that I've seen a physical Ghost with the tongue sticking out with the legs bent and I don't know Fire coming out of his mouth but to be honest with you I've we do what we call exorcisms rinpoch is one of the duties over in poche is when somebody is possessed uh by some sort of Spirit whether it's evil you know malevolent just a bad Spirit we have to exercise the person and to protect the person from further harm that I've seen I haven't seen a physical ghost appear out of somewhere yeah so we do do some how you describe occult stuff and in the Himalayas it's a very ancient place lots of Wars have taken place it is still not developed like the rest of the nation uh so lots of the places are | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-62 | of the nation uh so lots of the places are still virgin in terms of spirituality so lots of spirits reside in the plains in the mountains in the rivers sometimes when you build your house in the wrong location and without doing the proper pujas and bhumi Puja and all that without doing the proper cleansing and offering like for example if somebody were to rent your place and if you're willing to sell it or to rent it um they have to give you some money they have to talk to you properly nicely write a contract and everything if you don't do that if somebody comes and just puts his tambu in your house you will not be happy and you will do your best to eject them so it's a bit like that we don't see the spirit world and especially if it's a clean ancient world and then if you all of a sudden start digging up for foundation put up a toilet you know septic tank you know like everywhere um so yeah some of the spirits get | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-63 | everywhere um so yeah some of the spirits get angry and they start you know attacking you in a way and entering the body of people that I've seen many okay um how do you feel when you're dealing with them when you're doing an exorcism compassionate because um they're also suffering I don't take offense from such Spirits I understand why they are entering the body of another person and what they're trying to express their you know their anger um their reversion you know their dissatisfaction so I feel compassion and based on compassion I try to remove them peacefully from the person's body you've had a conversation with any of them yeah and the funny thing is when an innocent uh ladaki girl or a guy most of the time it's a woman actually I don't know why um when she's possessed and she is pure ladaki and ladaki language is a little bit different from Tibetan though we have similarities is based on the same script um like maybe Hindi Nepali a | pApS4K-J_Xc |
078d579d6164-64 | the same script um like maybe Hindi Nepali a little bit I think so but she speaks perfect Nepali then like perfect Tibetan and then she says I'm from this place I'm from that place and you have never heard of such place until you verify and you realize that there was such a place as somebody had fallen down a Gorge and drowned or killed or whatever and just very unhappy and just wandering around looking for Liberation and found this innocent girl so yeah so then when somebody speaks a different tone a woman has the voice of a man and starts speaking a different language you start to take notice whether you're superstitious or no I'm not a superstitious person I am a modern person slightly educated being around the world I don't believe in like things easily until I see them so I've seen them and I've talked to them and I've interacted with them yes okay do they acknowledge your spiritual prowess yeah they usually kind of freak out a little bit | pApS4K-J_Xc |