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Re: Playoff predictions
OK, I'll join in the fun and give my playoff predictions:
1st round:
----------
PITT vs NYI: PITT in 4.
WASH vs NJD: WASH in 6.
BOS vs BUF: BOS in 5.
QUE vs MON: MON in 7.
CHI vs STL: CHI in 4.
DET vs TOR: DET in 6.
VAN vs WIN: WIN in 6.
CAL vs LA: CAL in 5.
2nd round:
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PITT vs WASH: PITT in 4.
BOS vs MON: BOS in 6.
CHI vs DET: CHI in 7.
WIN vs CAL: CAL in 5.
3rd round:
----------
PITT vs BOS: PITT in 5.
CHI vs CAL: CHI in 5.
Finals:
------
PITT vs CHI: PITT in 5.
=============================================
Walter
| 10rec.sport.hockey
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Re: *** The list of Biblical contradictions
In article <7912@blue.cis.pitt.edu> joslin@pogo.isp.pitt.edu (David Joslin) writes:
>[Many good points deleted. Anyone who missed it should see the original.]
>Lists like this that just toss a bunch of quotes together to
>make a bible verse salad just don't cut it. Those of us who
>want to argue against inerrancy should find this sort of thing
>as embarassing as the fundies should find Josh McDowell.
True, except that I've known few fundies who had enough sense to
be embarrassed by Josh McDowell.
(Okay, maybe a cheap shot. But I'm in that kind of mood.)
Bill Mayne
| 19talk.religion.misc
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Re: Talking to Boeing management about SSTO type stuff from a shareholder perspective.
I might suggest giving the management some more mumble time by asking
the very leading question (in two or three parts)
What are your long term expectations of space market, what projects
specifically are they funding by internal funds and at what levels
and what competition do you expect in this area. (This last point
is always worth hitting upper management with "gently" if you want
them to think and as hard as you can if you have a good case that
there really is competion)
| 14sci.space
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Re: Foreskin Troubles
This is generally called phimosis..usually it is due to an inflammation, and ca
n be retracted in the physician's offfice rather eaaasily. One should see a GP
, or in complicated cases, a urologist.
| 13sci.med
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Re: Hypercard for UNIX
queloz@bernina.ethz.ch (Ronald Queloz) writes:
>Hi netlanders,
>Does anybody know if there is something like Macintosh Hypercard for any UNIX
>platform?
There are several products you might investigate. If you've got
$20,000 per seat and high-end hardware, Gain Momentum might be a good
choice. It isn't compatible with HyperCard, but has a similar
architecture (and *way* more functionality). I don't have contact
information, but they were recently purchased by Sybase who shouldn't
be too hard to find.
If you're running News on SPARC, check out HyperLook
(hyperlook@turing.com). It uses Postscript as a scripting language
which is good if you need to do lots of display oriented scripting,
but not so good for non-programmers. It was $995, last I heard.
You might also look at our product MetaCard. We're alpha-testing
direct importing of HyperCard stacks (we've even made the test release
available for anonymous FTP), so we're obviously the closest in
functionality. MetaCard runs on most UNIX workstations and costs
$495. Email to info@metacard.com for more details.
Scott
>Thanks in advance
>Ron.
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Re: Don Cherry - help me out, here
In article <MfpIRbO00WBLI1ispC@andrew.cmu.edu> "William K. Willis" <ww1a+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> As a person who has rarely even SEEN Don Cherry and doesn't know
>anything about him, I don't know whether it is just this area
>(Pittsburgh) of the USA that is "deprived" of his broadcasts or whether
>he's a Canadian thing altogether. Seriously, what is he all about? I
He's a Canadian "thing". Former coach of the Boston Bruins and Colorado
Rockies. From the summaries that get posted I gather that his ongoing beef
this year has been the conventional wisdom that Canadian hockey is doomed
to be second or third rate behind the perceived emergence of the U.S.
and European programs.
>know he was a coach at one time, and from the volume of posts about him,
>SOMEONE surely is getting a steady diet of him somehow, but my question
>is, what is the deal with him? Secondly, are the comments of his that I
After he left the Rockies, he got a job with CBC's Hockey Night in Canada
and hasn't looked back since. Actually, he did work for CBC at least
on playoff season after the Rockies were eliminated.
>read about on the net merely flame bait, or do people actually take him
>seriously? I gotta tell you, from what I see, he really sounds like an
I'd say it's a combination of flame bait and serious journalism. The closest
thing you'll find to Cherry in the U.S. is Stan Fischler, a self-described
hockey maven. The similarities are that they both say things that get
people upset. The difference is that Cherry knows the game and Fischler
doesn't.
>ass. Let me know - maybe I'm missing something.
Don's a character. If he were completely rational and noncontroversial
he wouldn't have a job. By some definitions, he could be called an ass.
But then some people feel the same about Mike Lang, another character that
I wish would get wider exposure (only one national telecast last year).
--
Mike Eisler, mre@Eng.Sun.Com ``Not only are they [Leafs] the best team, but
their fans are even more intelligent and insightful than Pittsburgh's. Their
players are mighty bright, too. I mean, he really *was* going to get his
wallet back, right?'' Jan Brittenson 3/93, on Leaf/Pen woofers in
rec.sport.hockey
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
In article <C5x7J8.CIA@unixhub.SLAC.Stanford.EDU>, sschaff@roc.SLAC.Stanford.EDU (Stephen F. Schaffner) writes...
>part of the FBI cover-up. Who was it really? Come on, now, think --
>who is really out to embarrass the Clinton administration? The
>answer is so obvious I don't see how you could have missed it.
>That's right -- it was Robert Dole and the Senate Republicans,
Weren't some of these people seen at perot's daughter's wedding?
larry henling lmh@shakes.caltech.edu
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
STAR TREK ORNAMENT
Hey,
I have some Star Trek Christmas Ornaments for sale. They are the the
Hallmark Shuttle Craft Galileo. They went for $24.00 during christmas. I
am willing to sell it for that price + shipping. If you are interested
and have some questions, please reply...
give me a call at 714-539-4251.. DANG
| 6misc.forsale
|
Re: Need iconized printer utility.
In article <93122.134439ZHAO@auvm.american.edu> <ZHAO@auvm.american.edu> writes:
>I am looking for a printer utility which stay in Window 3.1 as an icon and
>let you drag a file to it to issue the printing.
You have one. Minimize the print manager and drag a file to it and it will
print it. You need to associate file extensions with such things as the
notepad for it to do this though.
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| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
Re: CAD Program for Electronics?
In article <1r73vqINNftu@zephyr.grace.cri.nz>, srgxnbs@grace.cri.nz writes:
>>>What I want the CAD program to do is to draw diagrams by
>>>dragging elements onto the screen, and in this the elements
>>>needed are as diverse as vacuum tubes to ICs (case with pins).
> ..
> try DraftChoice, its not windows but its shareware and object
> oriented. Use it with PrintGL for high quality output.
>
> Bruce
>
>
Look for Spice or PSpice
| 12sci.electronics
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Re: 17" Monitors
In article <C5GEH5.n1D@utdallas.edu> goyal@utdallas.edu (MOHIT K GOYAL) writes:
Oh yeah, I just read in another newsgroup that the T560i uses a
high quality Trinitron tube than is in most monitors.(the Sony
1604S for example) and this is where the extra cost comes from. It
is also where the high bandwidth comes from, and the fantastic
image, and the large image size, etc, etc...
It's also where the two annoying lines across the screen (one a third
down, the other two thirds down) come from.
- Tony
catone@compstat.wharton.upenn.edu
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Re: Ten questions about Israel
In article <1483500349@igc.apc.org> cpr@igc.apc.org (Center for Policy Research) writes:
Ten Questions about arab countries
----------------------------------
I would be thankful if any of you who live in arab countries could
help to provide accurate answers to the following specific questions.
These are indeed provocative questions but they are asked time and
again by people around me.
1. Is it true that many arab countries don't recognize
Israeli nationality ? That people with Israeli stamps on their
passports can't enter arabic countries?
2. Is it true that arabic countries such as Jordan and Syria
have undefined borders and that arab governments from 1948 until today
have refused to state where the ultimate borders of their states
should be?
3. Is it true that arab countires refused to sign the Chemical
weapon convention treaty in Paris in 1993?
4. Is it true that in arab prisons there are a number of
individuals which were tried in secret and for which their
identities, the date of their trial and their imprisonment are
state secrets ?
4a. Is it true that some arab countries, like Syria, harbor Nazi
war criminals, and refuse to extradite them?
4b. Is it true that some arab countries, like Saudi Arabia,
prohibit women from driving cars?
5. Is it true that Jews who reside in the Muslim
countries are subject to different laws than Muslims?
6. Is it true that arab countries confiscated the property of
entire Jewish communites forced to flee by anti-Jewish riots?
7. Is it true that Israel's Prime Minister, Y. Rabin, signed
a chemical weapons treaty that no arab nation was willing to sign?
8. Is it true that Syrian Jews are required to leave a $10,000
deposit before leaving the country, and are no longer allowed to
emmigrate, despite promises made by Hafez Assad to George Bush?
9. Is it true that Jews in Muslim lands are required to pay a
special tax, for being Jews?
10. Is it true that Intercontinental Hotel in Jerusalem was built
on a Jewish cemetary, with roads being paved over grave sites, and
gravestones being used in Jordanian latrines?
11. Is it really cheesy and inappropriate to post lists of biased
leading questions?
11a. Is it less appropriate if information implied in Mr.
Davidsson's questions is highly misleading?
Adam
Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
"If we had a budget big enough for drugs and sexual favors, we sure
wouldn't waste them on members of Congress..." -John Perry Barlow
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
Re: Guns GONE. Good Riddance !
From article <1993Apr18.000152.2339@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, by jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:
> You are loosing.
>
> There is no question about it.
>
> Of those who vote, your cause is considered an abomination. No matter
> how hard you try, public opinion is set against the RKBA.
Only irrational fools such as yourself are set against RKBA. There are
*plenty* of people who support it.
> This is the end. By the finish of the Clinton administration, your
> RKBA will be null and void. Tough titty.
The government will be overthrown *long* before that happens. A *huge*
millitia composed of all available men and women who care about their
country will defeat the forces of the evil Klintonistas. The people
*will* prevail!
Oh, so you think armed citizens alone can't overthrow the government?
Consider this: do you think *all* law enforcement officials and members
of the Armed Forces will turn against the people that they are entrusted
to serve? Not hardly. You can count on a lot of people in the Army,
Marines, Air Force, Navy, National Guard, police officers, and so on
joining in the cause to defend the liberties and freedoms of American
citizens. COUNT ON IT! THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DISARM
EVERYONE WITHOUT STARTING A CIVIL WAR!
> You had better discover ways to make do without firearms. The number of
> cases of firearms abuses has ruined your cause. There is nothing you
> can do about it. Those who live by the sword shall die by it.
>
> The press is against you, the public (the voting public) is against
> you, the flow of history is against you ... this is it !
>
> Surrender your arms. Soon enough, officers will be around to collect
Wrong again. People will just hide their guns so these "officers"
(more like jack-booted stormtroopers) will not be able to find them.
> them. Resistance is useless. They will overwhelm you - one at a time.
> Your neighbors will not help you. They will consider you more if an
> immediate threat than the abstract 'criminal'.
They will unless they are idiots. They will realize that if they don't
then they will be *next* including you. Believe me if what you describe
happens they will be coming for *more* than guns. Disarming citizens
would require that everyone's cherished freedoms and liberties be
suspended temporarily. More likely, they'd never be restored unless the
*people* do something about it.
> Too fucking bad. You have gone the way of the KKK. Violent solutions
> are passe'. Avoid situations which encourage criminals. Then you will
> be as safe as possible. Such as it is ...
Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot
Before: "David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets
the Bible through the barrel of a gun..." --ATF spokesman
After: "[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets
[the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..." --Me
| 16talk.politics.guns
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Re: Europe vs. Muslim Bosnians
In article <1993May12.205519.1480@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> golchowy@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (Gerald Olchowy) writes:
>In article <C6x44y.3xD@cbfsb.cb.att.com> sadek@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mohamed.s.sadek) writes:
>>
>>I like what Mr. Joseph Biden had to say yesterday 5/11/93 in the senate.
>>Condemening the european lack of action and lack of support to us plans
>>and calling that "moral rape".
>>
>
>It is easy for Sen. Biden to say that when there are no US troops in
>Zepa or Srebinica or Sarejevo...
this is true.
>The existing UN policy may certaining be wrong, but the US wants
>to dictate policy, and make Europe responsible for the consequences
>of that policy..
this has merit but is not entirely true.
>...Bosnia is a big enough problem for the US to preach about what
>other countries should be doing with their forces...but its forces
>are safely tucked away at home in the US.
>
>Gerald
>
this last statement is not true. According to the CBO the United States
has a force of about 88,000 US Army personel in Europe, I do not know
if this includes a USMC division in Norway. They have available
a little more than 500 USAF attack aircraft, including various models
of the F-111, A-10, F-19A/B, and a few F-4s. {there are about 1,000
more of these available, SAFELY TUCKED AWAY AT HOME. At one time, the
US maintained 1500 MBTs {about half were M1A1} but some of these were
relocated to the Persian Gulf. I know the US has at LEAST one
aircraft carrier battle group nearby and probably a marine assault
brigade. Does anyone know if there are any B-52/B-1Bs in England?
The point is, although there are no US ground troops in Bosnia,
it is not true that that all the american forces are safely camped
outside of St. Louis.
I also understand that the administration is planning to position
troops in Macedonia. Any reaction out there to this?
Question: day before yesterday I heard that Serbia & Montenegro
had imposed additional trade sanctions against the Bosnian Serb Rebels.
This morning a NPR reported at a bridge on the Drina (sp?) verified
that only a bread truck was allowed to pass through to Bosnia.
A Serbian {who happened to be muslim}, stated that just a few months
ago no vehicle even slowed for the boarder station. Now everyone
is stopped and searched, many are turned back. Of course all I
heard was a translators version, I do not speak Serbo-Croatian.
If this is a effort on the part of Serbia & Montenegro {for whatever reason}
to push the Boserbs into accepting the V-O, is this not a good thing?
Peace,
Jay Morris
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
"SIMM Re-use" NuBus board... Anyone seen one?
Hello,
I remember running across an ad in the back of Mac[User|World]
a few years ago, for a Nubus board that had umpteen SIMM slots, to be
used to "recycle your old SIMMs," when you upgraded memory. I don't
remember who made this board, and I haven't seen it advertised in
any of the latest Mac magazines. It mentioned that it included software
to make the SIMMs on the board act like a RAM disk. As someone who has SIMMS
he can't get rid of/use, but hates the waste, this sounds to me like a majorly
good idea. Does anyone out there know what board/company I'm talking about?
Are they still in business, or does anyone know where I can get a used one
if they are no longer made? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please
e-mail me, to save net.bandwidth.
Thanks,
Cap.
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What do I do with OLD gasoline? HELP!
I have a '72 CL350 which I stopped riding about 2 years ago (I upgraded
to an '84 Sabre 750). I parked it in the corner of my parking lot, and planned
on draining the gas, spraying oil in the tank, etc. to get it ready to store.
Well, after a lot of procrastination, all I ended up doing was throwing a
tarp on it.
Well, now I have to move and want to clean up the 350. I tried starting it
(with someone else's battery) and had no luck. My first guess is that it is
the gas and so I plan on draining it and replacing it with new gas (I can only
pray that I didn't trash the carbeurators). The question is, what do I do
with this old gas? I am not going to run it in my Sabre, and I think that
there is enough that I don't want to burn it (campus police don't think
too kindly about bonfires). Dumping it isn't a great idea.
Thanks for any ideas,
George Heinz
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| 8rec.motorcycles
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What is the medical term for this sensation?
Dear Netters:
Maybe one of you can explain this. From time to time I experience
a strange kind of feeling (I have all kinds of weird feelings) which
can be best described as the feeling of "losing gravity", like that one
experiences in a descending elevator. Needless to say, it is not
enjoyable. It sometimes comes with shortness of breath and extreme
fatigue. It lasts from a few minutes to an hour and when it lasts
that long, it makes me sweatening.
Initially I called it "palpitation (spelling?)" until I later learnt that
the terminology has been reserved for the self-awareness of heart beats.
So, is there a specific term for this feeling, or am I a stragne person?
I always believe I am unique.
Thanks.
Ping
| 13sci.med
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In defense of Performas (was Re: Performa or LC???)
From article <1993Apr22.165659.8890@desire.wright.edu>, by demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer):
> In article <1993Apr20.173656.21742@tolten.puc.cl>, rcvillab@isluga.puc.cl (Rodrigo Carlos Villablanca) writes:
>> Hi!!
>> I have a question:
>> Which is the diference between Performa 450 and LCIII?
>> I want to know which is better.
>> If you know the specifications and the prices of this computers, can
>> you tell me by email to ----> rcvillab@isluga.puc.cl
>> I'd like to know the diference between the apple monitor('14) and the
>> performa monitor too.
>
> Performa 200 == Classic II
> Performa 400 == LC II
> Performa 4xx == LC III
> Performa 600 == well, nothing :)
>
> The Performas are made to be low-cost business solutions. The 4xx have
> bundled software, modems, etc.
> Because they have no "retail price" you might be able to get a steeper
> discount on them. Shop around.
>
> As far as the monitors go, buy 3rd party. Much cheaper.
>
> Brett
> ________________________________________________________________________________
> "There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an
> intellectual conviction." Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert.
Hmmm... that's not quite right. The Performa 600 is Real Darn Close
to the IIvx (but a better buy IMO). I also don't think they are so
much a 'low-cost business solution', but a low-cost _home_ solution.
Why else bundle at ease (among other things)? Hardly a business
application.
What do you mean by 'no "retail price"'. Quite the contrary, I think.
The price is darn near the same all across the country. That (again,
IMO) was one of the selling points of the performas -- ie: no haggling
required. Kinda like the Saturn (car) of the computer set. One
price, medium performance, ready to go.
When I shopped for my Performa (600CD), the difference between Sears
(*sigh), Montgomery Wards, Silo (*sigh), Circuit City (*sigh*) and
Bizmart (*sigh*) couldn't have been $100.00. Why I chose one over the
other was based solely on availability and a friendly salesman who
went the extra mile (when did you last hear that about someone who
sells Apples?). Admittedly, except for Montgomery Wards (and I
suspect I was just lucky) all of the salesfolk I spoke to didn't know
didly about the computers, peecee or mac. But then, neither did any
of the Apple dealers I spoke with...
If you would've told me a year ago that I would buy a Macintosh from
Montgomery Wards I woulda laughed for a long, long time. Go figure.
I'm *real* happy with my Performa. Oh, and I bought the Apple
Performa Plus monitor (vs. buying 3rd party). Happy with that
decision as well. I walked in, plopped down some cash, and walked out
with a spankin' new computer the day before Christmas.
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Re: edu breaths
In article <1993Apr15.221024.5926@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.214910.5676@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
>|In article <1993Apr15.003749.15710@rtsg.mot.com> svoboda@rtsg.mot.com (David Svoboda) writes:
>|>In article <1993Apr14.220252.14731@rtsg.mot.com> declrckd@rtsg.mot.com (Dan J. Declerck) writes:
>|>|
>|>|The difference of opinion, and difference in motorcycling between the sport-bike
>|>|riders and the cruiser-bike riders.
>|>
>|>That difference is only in the minds of certain closed-minded individuals. I
>|>have had the very best motorcycling times with riders of "cruiser"
>|>bikes (hi Don, Eddie!), yet I ride anything but.
>|
>|Continuously, on this forum, and on the street, you find quite a difference
>|between the opinions of what motorcycling is to different individuals.
>
>Yes, yes, yes. Motorcycling is slightly different to each and every one of us. This
>is the nature of people, and one of the beauties of the sport.
>
>|Cruiser-bike riders have a different view of motorcycling than those of sport bike riders
>|(what they like and dislike about motorcycling). This is not closed-minded.
>
>And what view exactly is it that every single rider of cruiser bikes holds, a veiw
>that, of course, no sport-bike rider could possibly hold? Please quantify your
>generalization for us. Careful, now, you're trying to pigeonhole a WHOLE bunch
>of people.
>
That plastic bodywork is useless. That torque, and an upright riding position is
better than a slightly or radically forward riding position combined with a high-rpm
low torque motor.
To a cruiser-motorcyclist, chrome has some importance. To sport-bike motorcyclists
chrome has very little impact on buying choice.
Unless motivated solely by price, these are the criteria each rider uses to select
the vehicle of choice.
To ignore these, as well as other criteria, would be insensitive. In other words,
no one motorcycle can fufill the requirements that a sport-bike rider and a cruiser
rider may have.(sometimes it's hard for *any* motorcycle to fufill a person's requirements)
You're fishing for flames, Dave.
This difference of opinion is analogous to the difference
between Sports-car owners, and luxury-car owners.
This is a moot conversation.
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Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
In article <1rfg06$8mm@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu>, cj195@cleveland.Freenet.Edu
(John W. Redelfs) wrote:
> In the hands of a defender, a .357 _is_ a miracle from God. He helps those
> who help themselves. Or haven't you ever heard that one before?
I didn't know God was a secular humanist...
Kent
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| 19talk.religion.misc
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Re: Analog switches/Balan
{Michael Fulbright} said
"Analog switches/Balanced"
to <All> on 04-15-93 01:08
MF> I am trying to build a synchronous demodulator and I've hit a snag.
MF> In my application I want to be able to change the gain of an
MF> op amp amplifier from 1 to -1, controlable via a digital input.
MF> The most obvious way I've come up with is to use analog switches
MF> to adjust the gain of the op amp. The only analog switch I have
MF> experience with it the 4066. Unfortunately I want to switch an
MF> AC signal which goes from about -5V to 5V, and the 4066 is only
MF> for positive signals.
How about using a 4053 it has a seperate ground for the
analog outputs. It would get you 3 bits.
MF> Another part which caught my eye was the Analog Devices AD630. This
MF> is a balanced demodulator which appears to fill exactly the need I
MF> have. The data sheet was somewhat skimpy on application notes. Could
MF> someone comment on using this chip for the following application?
Or how about a multiplying D/A convertor? This is
essentiallty what you are makeing.
Stephen Cyberman@Toz.Buffalo.NY.US
Mangled on Fri 04-16-1993 at 13:36:11
... Catch the Blue Wave!
---
* Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 *
| 12sci.electronics
|
A Warning to Homeowners, Low Flying Aircraft, and Astronomers.
Oakland, California, Sunday, April 25th, 1:05 PM PDT:
Jose Mesa vs. Storm Davis.
You have been warned.
--
* Gary Huckabay * "Outside?! That was right down the bleedin' pipe, *
* "Balder than any * Kenny! I realize I don't have great control, but *
* Dave on the net. * c'mon!" "Gary, that was a styrofoam cup. The *
* Really." * plate's a foot to your right. Throw the ball." *
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
quick way to tell if your local beat writer is dumb.
jayson stark (i trhink that's him) fits perfectly in this category.
anyone who writes "dean palmer has 2 homers - at this pace, he'll
have 324 home runs!" should be shot.
if, at the end of april, he has 11, and anyone writes "at this
pace, he'll have 100+ homers!" they shouldbe shot too.
- bob gaj
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
Re: Question for those with popular morality
Paul Hudson Jr (hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu) writes:
>I was not directly going to come up with a moral argument for the existence
>of God. Rather, I was trying to show the absurdity of atheistic materialist
>relatavists trying to embrace some common moral system as though it were
>absolute. Man knows in his heart that there is right and wrong. We have
>all inherited this knowledge.
No matter how "absurd" it is to suggest that a common moral system created by
mankind is absolute, it is not contrary to reason to suggest that a common
moral system created by mankind is sensible. In fact, for the Bible to be of
any use to mankind as a moral code, it must be interpreted by mankind and a
workable moral system created for everyday use.
The Jewish Talmud is the result of centuries of Biblical scholars analysing
every word of the Torah to understand the morality behind it. The Children of
Israel were given a very strict set of Moral, Civil, Judicial and Ceremonial
Laws to follow and yet this was clearly not enough to cover every instance
of moral dilemma in their Society. For a Christian, the situation is no better.
It seems to me that the only code of morality that we have from the Judeo-
Christian God is that which is contained in the Bible (which we can see from
the diverse opinions in the Christian newsgroups is not clear). There may well
be an absolute morality defined by the Judeo-Christian God for mankind to
follow but it seems that we only have a subset simply because the concept was
written down by man.
This leads to the problem of defining morality for our society. If we take the
divine Morality then we have a code of practice which may be interpreted in many
different ways (as an example, consider the immolation of heretics in the
fifteenth century and the interpretation of the Bible which allows a man to do
that to another man under the precept to administer Justice). If we take an
agnostic Morality then we have a code of practice that can be modified to suit
society (with all the danger that this implies). Alternatively, we could take
the basis of the Judeo-Christian morality and interpret/extend this to create
and justify a code of morality which suits the society we live in and enables
the people to live Righteously (as many Christian and Non-Christian philosophers
have done).
Whatever the driving force behind the definition of morality for our society, I
think the important aspect is the result.
David.
---
On religion:
"Oh, where is the sea?", the fishes cried,
As they swam its clearness through.
| 19talk.religion.misc
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WANTED : Info on Image Databases
Guess the subject says it all.
I would like references to any introductory material on Image
Databases.
Please send any pointers to mini@point.cs.uwm.edu
Thanx in advance!
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
-< MINI >- mini@point.cs.uwm.edu | mini@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| 1comp.graphics
|
Re: Greek myth and the Bible
In article <765422d6347700t48@edmahood.infoserv.com> edmahood@infoserv.com (Ed Mahood, Jr.) writes:
>In <Pegasus-130393124328@fp1-dialin-7.uoregon.edu>, Pegasus@AAA.UOregon.EDU (Laurie EWBrandt) wrote:
>> ...
>> A definiation from a text book used as part of an introductory course in
>> social anthorpology "The term myth designates traditionally based, dramatic
>> narratives on themes that emphasize the nature of humankind's relationship
>> to nature and to the supernatural. ...." from Peter B. Hammand's .An
>> introduction to Cutural and Social Anthropology. second ed Macmillion
>> page 387.
>
I'm not sure that you can distinguish between myth and legend so
neatly, or at all. A myth is more than a single story. The thought
structure and world-paradigm in which that story is interpreted is as
important a part of the myth as the story itself. Thus, I can think of
no story which is meant to be conveyed understandably from one person
to another within a single culture which won't rest upon that underlying
thought structure, and thus transmit some of that culture's mythical
"truths" along with it.
randy
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
Re: Integra GSR
In article <1993Apr5.234729.100387@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> daz1@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DEMOSTHENIS A. ZEPPOS) writes:
>In article <3mwF2B1w165w@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org>, jonc@njcc.wisdom.bubble.org (J
>on Cochran) writes:
>>> > I'd like to add the Beretta GTZ as a car which will kick GS-R butt
>>> >anyday, and it's a lot cheaper to boot
Comparing the GTZ and GSR is apples to oranges, somewhat like a Mustang 5.0
and a CRX, both have very different ways of doing things and ought to
appeal to different buyers, i.e., I don't think an Acura owner would
be seen dead in a Chevy dealership or vice versa.
[stuff deleted]
>are all -weather XGTV4, not to mention that the Integra rides alot better than
No Integra I have seen comes with all-season tires.
The GTZ does come with much bigger 16" wheels.
>along with the Integra, and the car does that with small 14 inch tires that
>Your acceleartion times also vary, magazine to magazine
>Road & Track and Car& Driver have the GS-R at 6.8 to 8.0 for Road and Track.
The C+D figures are almost certainly bogus and based on a hot prototype
supplied by Acura. The MT figures are more plausible.
>Also Quarter mile times vary from 15.4 to 16.1
16.1 sounds reasonable, probably faster than regular Integras.
>> So, the Beretta can out handle the Integra and it can certainly keep
>>up with it in acceleration. And the Beretta probably has a higher top
>>speed due to the horsepower advantage (160/117 (hp/torque) for the
>>Integra vs. 180/160 for the Beretta).
>***You always believe those exact numbers, why don't you drive a GS-R, and see
>for your self, while the GS-R has a low 117 torqye, its high gearing over a 8000
The GSR gearing is horrible for day to day driving. It needs a 6 speed
box more than any other modern car. Essentially 5th in a regualr Integra
equals 4th in the GSR, and the regular Integras are very buzzy at speed.
>rpm make up for the difference (still wouldn't call it a torque moster though!)
>
>>Considering you save almost $3,000 dollars for the Beretta, and the Quad4
>>is a reliable engine, it doesn't make sense to get the Integra as a
The only person I knew with a GTZ had it bought back by GM as a lemon. It
was a piecve of junk, but very quick for FWD.
>Quad 4 reliable, yeah, what's your definition of reliable- if that's reliable,
>then its safe to say that integra engines in general are near perfect
The only GSR owner I know had the engine throw a rod with less than 5k
miles, a rare screw up by Honda.
Both the GTZ and GSR are flawed cars. The performance enthusiasts would take
the GTZ and the CR purchase would be the GSR.
Craig
| 7rec.autos
|
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
In article <1r3570$hkv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
|> In article <1r2ls3$8mo@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> #|>
|> #|> #This is quite different from saying "Employing force on other people
|> #|> #is immoral, period. Unfortunately, from time to time we are obliged
|> #|> #to do this immoral thing for reasons of self-preservation, and so
|> #|> #we have to bear the moral consequences of that.
|> #|>
|> #|> Since both statements, to all intents and purposes, say effectively
|> #|> the same thing,
|> #
|> #Are you serious? Two statements, one of which says that use of force
|> #in the given situation is moral, and the other of which says it is
|> #not moral "say effectively the same thing?"
|>
|> Yes, when you tag on the "Unfortunately, ...", then to all intents and
|> purposes you are saying the same thing.
Then delete the "unfortunately". Now tell me that the two statement
say effectively the same thing.
And to save everyone a couple of trips round this loop, please notice
that we are only obliged to use force to preserve self. We can choose
*not* to preserve self, which is the point of pacifism.
|>
|> #Would you say this of any two statements, one saying "X is moral" and
|> #the other saying "X is immoral?" How would you decided when two
|> #statements "X is moral" "X is immoral" actually conflict, and when
|> #they "say effectively the same thing".
|>
|> What they prescribe that one should do is a pretty good indicator.
And in this case they don't prescribe the same things, so.....
|>
|> #|> and lead one to do precisely the same thing, then
|> #|> either both statements are doublespeak, or none.
|> #
|> #They might lead you to do the same thing, but the difference is what
|> #motivates pacifism so they obviously don't lead pacifists to to the
|> #same thing.
|>
|> That's not true. You could formulate a pragmatic belief in minimum
|> force and still be a pacifist. If the minimum is 0, great - but one is
|> always trying to get as close to 0 force as possible under that belief.
|> Not the same as 'force is immoral, period', but still tending to pacifism.
If you don't think the use of force is immoral, why minimise its use?
jon.
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
Re: Installing RAM in a Quadra 800
truesdel@ics.uci.edu (Scott Truesdell) writes:
>This is an aside to Brian Hughes's (please, let's lose the cute phony names
>everybody) posting about adding memory to a Quadra 800.
What phony names? My name is clearly visible in the headers, and I
sing the post with my account name. If you have a problem with that,
then you will have to get over it. I've used this account name for over
10 years and the people who have been reading newsgroups for the last 7
generally recognize "Hades" as my account name. I have no intention of
changing the way I post.
>I installed a couple of 16MB SIMMs in my Quadra and was somewhat dismayed
>by the general complexity of the operation compared to, for example, the
>wonderfully designed LC III. It irritates me when Apple refuses to tell how
>to do it in the User's Manual so you have to guess at how to disassemble
>the devise in question (it's the same for adding memory to LaserWriter
>Pro's).
It isn't Apple's responsibility to tell its customers how to fool
around with it's hardware. That is what Apple Service Techs get paid to
do. I personally like the design of the Q800, and applaud Apple for
coming up with a good way to make use of the front space for all of
those drive bays. I like it a lot better than the 900/950 design, except
for those people who need Drive Arrays. I do, however, agree with you
about the LW Pro design.
>The operation isn't very complicated if even a minimal amount of help were
>offered but Apple leaves you working blind.
Again, its's not Apple's place to make it easy for non-certified
service people to fool around with Apple hardware, even if they did buy
it. Of course you are free to do what you want to your Mac, just don't
get upset when your Apple Service Rep tells you that your warranty is no
longer valid.
>After the memory was installed I was distraught that the top of the SIMMs
>came into contact with the plastic case frame. Mine actually contacted the
>framework with quite a lot of pressure -- enough so that the assembly of
>the board back to the proper position was rather difficult and required
>some force. I could have filed a little excess material off the top of the
>SIMM boards but chose to let it stand as is. I have not had problems with
>RAM yet so I will consider the problem annoying but not catastrophic.
This sounds like the kind of problem I had when I installed 4MB
SIMMs into an LC, back before low-profile 4MB SIMMs were readily
available. The standard 4MB SIMMs would contact the top of the case and
make it a bit difficult to close the LC, but it did close and work just
fine. One of the nice things about Logic-Boards is that they are
generally quite flexible and can withstand a fair amount of pressure.
-Hades
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
Re: Jewish ballplayers
Your list of Jewish ballplayers includes Levi Samuel Meyerle (son of
Jacob and Margaret Meyerle). Although that sounds like a Jewish name,
Meyerle's "surviving relatives" say he wasn't Jewish, according to
"Nineteenth Century Stars," published by SABR in 1989. Incidentally,
"Long Levi" (he was 6-foot-1) batted .492 in the first season of the
National Association, the first pro league. Needless to say, he hasn't
been topped yet. (Of course, the NA is not considered a "major" league
by officialdom.) Over five seasons, Meyerle hit .368 in the NA. He also
played for the first three seasons of the NL, hitting .329.
--
--------------------------
Phil Brown |
aka pb6755@csc.albany.edu |
--------------------------
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
Re: Bernoulli Drives/Disks...
In article <C62onK.F7A@netnews.jhuapl.edu> ncmoore2@netnews.jhuapl.edu (Nathan Moore) writes:
>nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu (Nilay Patel) writes:
>>I am looking for Bernoulli removable tapes for the 20/20 drive..
>>Don't laugh ... I am serious...
>>If you have any 20 MB tapes lying around that you would like to get rid of,
>>please mail me ...
>
>>-- Nilay Patel
>>nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu
>You do mean disks, don't you, not tapes? You forgot to say whether you
>were looking for the old 8" or the newer 5.25".
Well...I need the old 8" disks ... You are right, disks is a better word,
but they are so big and calling them disks is kind of funny ... but the
appropriate word is disks ...
-- Nilay Patel
nilayp@violet.berkeley.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
Re: Lactose intolerance
In article <1993Apr5.165716.59@immunex.com>, rousseaua@immunex.com writes:
> In article <ng4.733990422@husc.harvard.edu>, ng4@husc11.harvard.edu (Ho Leung Ng) writes:
>>
>> When I was a kid in primary school, I used to drink tons of milk without
>> any problems. However, nowadays, I can hardly drink any at all without
>> experiencing some discomfort. What could be responsible for the change?
>>
>> Ho Leung Ng
>> ng4@husc.harvard.edu
OOPS. My original message died. I'll try again...
I always understood (perhaps wrongly...:)) that the bacteria in our digestive
tracts help us break down the components of milk. Perhaps the normal flora of
the intestine changes as one passes from childhood.
Is there a pathologist or microbiologist in the house?
Anne-Marie Rousseau
e-mail: rousseaua@immunex.com
(Please note that these opinions are mine, and only mine.)
| 13sci.med
|
Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip)
In article <1993Apr20.192105.11751@ulysses.att.com>
smb@research.att.com (Steven Bellovin) writes:
>
> [ responding to claims about Skipjack cracking engines ]
>
>Thousands? Tens of thousands? Do some arithmetic, please... Skipjack
>has 2^80 possible keys. Let's assume a brute-force engine like that
>hypothesized for DES: 1 microsecond per trial, 1 million chips. That's
>10^12 trials per second, or about 38,000 years for 2^80 trials. Well,
>maybe they can get chips running at one trial per nanosecond, and build
>a machine with 10 million chips. Sure -- only 3.8 years for each solution.
>
I think I should also point out that the mystical DES engines
are known plaintext engines (unless you add a ton of really smart
hardware?)
The 'plaintext' is digitized voice, and exists for a very short
time, probably in a couple inches of copper, tops. It's flatly not
available -- your bug in my office can hear my voice, and even digitize
it, but it's going to get a different bitstream.
It is horribly naive to suppose that regular folks can figure
out how to crack skipjack, or clipper based telephones. I'm certainly
not devoting a great deal of thought to it.
Andrew Molitor
| 11sci.crypt
|
Re: WACO burning
In a previous article, garrod@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (David Garrod) says:
>
>
>reports that a survivor of the Waco massacre states that a tank, when
>making a hole in the wall of the building, knocked over a kerosene
>lamp and that is how the fire started. Attempts were made by the
>people inside to put out the fire, but it spread too quickly.
This is pretty much what Koresh's lawyers were told by the
remaining survivors on Larry King LIve. In addition, parts
of the unsealed warrant were mentioned. It surely sounds
as if the BATF were in VIOLATION from day ONE.
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
Re: Ok, So I was a little hasty...
In article <5295@unisql.UUCP> ray@unisql.UUCP (Ray Shea) writes:
>In article <1993Apr20.010734.18225@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>>... Perhaps DWI in Lousiana *is* confined
>>to liquor?
>*Everything* in Louisiana is related to liquor: eating, sleeping, walking,
>talking, church, state, life, death, and everything in between.
How DARE you make such an accusation! There are MANY sober, non-drinkers in
this state! If We wern't so busy unloading the beer truck for the week end,
I might just come up that and have a talk wit you! B->
----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----
Stolen Taglines...
HEY! Where did they go?
You don't think .... naahh.
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
Re: <Political Atheists?
In article <1pieg7INNs09@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|>
|> >Now along comes Mr Keith Schneider and says "Here is an "objective
|> >moral system". And then I start to ask him about the definitions
|> >that this "objective" system depends on, and, predictably, the whole
|> >thing falls apart.
|>
|> It only falls apart if you attempt to apply it. This doesn't mean that
|> an objective system can't exist. It just means that one cannot be
|> implemented.
It's not the fact that it can't exist that bothers me. It's
the fact that you don't seem to be able to define it.
If I wanted to hear about indefinable things that might in
principle exist as long as you don't think about them too
carefully, I could ask a religious person, now couldn't I?
jon.
| 0alt.atheism
|
Lindbergh and the moon (was:Why not give $1G)
All of this talk about a COMMERCIAL space race (i.e. $1G to the first 1-year
moon base) is intriguing. Similar prizes have influenced aerospace
development before. The $25k Orteig prize helped Lindbergh sell his Spirit of
Saint Louis venture to his financial backers.
If memory serves, the $25k prize would not have been enough to totally
reimburse some of the more expensive transatlantic projects (such as
Fokker's, Nungesser and other multi-engine projects). However Lindbergh
ultimately kept his total costs below that amount.
But I strongly suspect that his Saint Louis backers had the foresight to
realize that much more was at stake than $25,000.
Could it work with the moon? Who are the far-sighted financial backers of
today?
Layne Cook
cook@apt.mdc.com
McDonnell Douglas Space Systems Co.
| 14sci.space
|
Help with antidepressants requested.
Hello all,
There is a small problem a friend of mine is experiencing and I
would appreciate any help at all with it.
My friend has been diagnosed as having a severe case of depression requiring
antidepressants for a cure. The main problem is the side effects of these.
So far she has been prescribed Prozac, Aurorix, and tryptanol all with
different but unbearable side effects.
The Prozac gave very bad anxiety/jitters and insomina, it was impossible to
sit still for more than a minute or so.
The Aurorix whilst having a calming effect, all feelings were lost and the
body co-ordination was similar to a drunken person. Her brain was clouded
over.
The tryptanol gave tremors in the legs and panic attacks along with unco-
ordination occurred. She did not know what she was doing as her brain was
"closed down".
Has anyone had similar problems and/or have any suggestions as to the next
step?
Thankyou in advance.
Gordon Taylor
E-mail: blubird@penguin.equinox.gen.nz
| 13sci.med
|
Re: Gamma Ray Bursters. Where are they?
In article <1rmh4eINN95h@gap.caltech.edu>, kwp@wag.caltech.edu (Kevin W. Plaxco) writes:
> In article <27APR199320210230@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov> abdkw@stdvax.gsfc.nasa.gov (David Ward) writes:
>
> But I believe that there is a fundamental difference here. The other x
> three instruments are focusing instruments, that, more or less, form
> an image, so positional errors are limited by craft attitude and the
> resolving power of the optics. BATSE is an altogether different
> beast, effectively just 8 coincidence counters, one on each corner of
> the craft. Positional information is triangulated from the
> differential signal arrival times at each of the detectors.
This is not quite right. The differential arrival time techinique
requires interplanetary baselines to get good positions. The
differential arrival at the eight detectors differ by 10's of nanoseconds.
This is smaller than BATSE's microsecond timing capabilities.
BATSE, Ulysses, and Mars Obsverver are used for this technique.
Each BATSE detector does not have a full sky field of view.
The sensitivity of each detector decreases with increasing
angle of incidence. The burst position on the sky is determined by
comparing the count rates in different detectors.
Pat
| 14sci.space
|
28800BAUD SPIRIT II MODEM
Hi world,
I want to buy a Spirit II 14400 Data/Fax modem (made in U.S.A.).
Have anyone heard about it or using it? What is it's performance? Is it
stable or not? Please give me some advice.
In addition, I heard a news from local distributor that a new
28800baud CCITT ROM (the distributor said it will be the new CCITT
standard.) for this modem will be produced at the end of this
year. After replaced the old ROM by this 28800 ROM, this Spirit II can
transfer data at 28800baud without any hardware alternation. Is this
new true and possible? Would the telephone line really able to transfer
at such high speed? Please give me some advice.
At last, can anyone tell me how to contact with the central
dealer QuickComm. Inc.? (I am not sure whether it in U.S.A. or not.)
Please leave me a e-mail.
Thank you very much.
Leung (from Hong Kong University)
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Re: Clementine mission name
> Wales.Larrison@ofa123.fidonet.org writes:
>
> Old pioneer song from the 1850's or so goes as follows:
>
> "In a cavern, in a canyon,
> Excavating for a mine,
> Dwelt a miner, forty-niner,
> And his daughter, CLEMENTINE"
>
> Chorus:
> "Oh my darling, Oh my darling,
> Oh my darling Clementine.
> You are lost and gone forever,
> Oh my darling Clementine."
Let us hope that the performance of the spacecraft follows the
sentiments of the first verse (miner) rather than the second (lost and gone
forever).
--
Bruce Dunn Vancouver, Canada Bruce_Dunn@mindlink.bc.ca
| 14sci.space
|
IIf & IIg slot?
There seems to be a P
PDS slot in the above printers. What is it ?
--
mark@law.aukuni.ac.nz
M. Perry, Faculty of Law, Auckland University, New Zealand
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
looking for USA map
Does anyone out there have or know of, line drawing USA map?
Thanks very much in advance,
Hoi
yoo@engr.ucf.edu
| 1comp.graphics
|
Re: "lds" Rick's reply
Robert Weiss (psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu) writes:
#Rick Anderson replied to my letter with...
#
#ra> In article <C5ELp2.L0C@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
#ra> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) says:
#ra>
(...)
# Just briefly, on something that you mentioned in passing. You refer to
# differing interpretations of "create," and say that many Christians may
# not agree. So what? That is really irrelevant. We do not base our faith
# on how many people think one way or another, do we? The bottom line is
# truth, regardless of popularity of opinions.
It may be "irrelevant" to you and *your* personal beliefs (or should I say
"bias"?), but it is relevant to me and many others. You're right, "the
bottom line IS truth," independant from you or anyone else. Since you
proclaim "truths" as a self-proclaimed appointee, may I ask you by what
authority you do this? Because "it says so in the Bible?" --Does the
Bible "say so," or is it YOU, or someone else, who interprets whether a
scripture or doctrine conforms to your particular liking or "disapproval"?
Excuse moi, but your line of "truths" haven't moved me one bit to persuade
me that my beliefs are erroneous. Of all the "preachers" of "truth" on
this net, you have struck me as a self-righteous member of the wrecking
crew, with no positive message to me or other latter-day saints whatsoever.
BTW, this entire discussion reminds me a lot of the things said by Jesus
to the pharisees: "ye hypocrite(s) . . . ye preach about me with your lips,
but your hearts are far removed from me..."
# Also, I find it rather strange that in trying to persuade that created
# and eternally existent are equivalent, you say "granted the Mormon
# belief..." You can't grant your conclusion and then expect the point to
# have been addressed. In order to reply to the issue, you have to address
# and answer the point that was raised, and not just jump to the
# conclusion that you grant.
Sophistry. Look who's talking: "jumping to conclusions?" You wouldn't do
that yourself, right? All YOU address is your own convictions, regardless
whether we come up with any Biblical scriptures which supports our points
of view, because you reject such interpretations without any consideration
whatsoever.
#
# The Bible states that Lucifer was created. The Bible states that Jesus
# is the creator of all. The contradiction that we have is that the LDS
# belief is that Jesus and Lucifer were the same.
A beautiful example of disinformation and a deliberate misrepresentation
of lds doctrine. The former KGB would have loved to employ you.
Jesus and lucifer are not "the same," silly, and you know it.
(...)
# The Mormon belief is that all are children of God. Literally. There is
# nothing symbolic about it. This however, contradicts what the Bible
# says. The Bible teaches that not everyone is a child of God:
Correction: it may contradict would YOU think the Bible says. The Bible
indeed does teach that not all are children of God in the sense that they
"belong to" or follow God in His footsteps. Satan and his followers have
rebelled against God, and are not "children (=followers/redeemed) of God,"
but it doesn't mean that they were not once created by God, but chose to
separate themselves from those who chose to follow God and His plan of
salvation.
#
# The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the
# kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked "one";
# (Matthew 13:38)
So? --This illustrates nicely what I just said: the children of the
kingdom are those who have remained valiant in their testimony of Jesus
(and have shown "works of repentance, etc.), and the children of the
wicked one are those who rebelled against God and the lamb. The issue
of satan's spirit-offspring (and those who followed him) has not been
addressed in this and other verses you copied from your Bible. You
purposefully obscured the subject by swamping your "right" with non-
related scriptures.
(...lots of nice scriptures deleted (NOT Robert W. copyrighted) though...)
#ra> > We are told that, "And this is life eternal, that they might know
#ra> > thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
#ra> > (John 17:3). Life eternal is to know the only true God. Yet the
#ra> > doctrines of the LDS that I have mentioned portray a vastly
#ra> > different Jesus, a Jesus that cannot be reconciled with the Jesus of
#ra> > the Bible. They are so far removed from each other that to proclaim
Correction: "my" Jesus is indeed different than your Jesus, and CAN be
reconciled with the Jesus in the Bible. --Not your interpretation of Him,
I concur, but I honestly couldn't care less.
#ra> > one as being true denies the other from being true. According to the
#ra> > Bible, eternal life is dependent on knowing the only true God, and
#ra> > not the construct of imagination.
In this single posting of yours, I've seen more "constructs of imagination"
than in all of the pro-lds mails combined I have read so far in this news
group. First get your lds-facts straight before you dare preaching to us
about "the only true God," whom you interpret according to your own likes
and dislikes, but whose image I cannot reconcile with what I know about
Him myself. I guess your grandiose self-image does not allow for other
faiths, believing in the divinity of Jesus Christ, but in a different
way or fashion than your own. Not that it really matters, the mission
and progress of the lds church will go on, boldly and nobly, and no mob
or opponent can stop the work from progressing, until it has visited
every continent, swept every clime, and sounded in every ear.
# This is really a red herring. It doesn't address any issue raised, but
# rather, it seeks to obfuscate. The fact that some groups try to read
# something into the Bible, doesn't change what the Bible teaches.
Sigh. "What the Bible teaches"? Or: "what the bible teaches according to
Robert Weiss and co.?" I respect the former, I reject the latter without
the remotest feeling that I have rejected Jesus. On the contrary. And by
the way, I do respect your interpretations of the Bible, I even grant you
being a Christian (following your own image of Him), as much as I am a
Christian (following my own image of Him in my heart).
(...)
# Most of the other replies have instead hop-scotched to the issue of
# Bruce McConkie and whether his views were 'official doctrine.' I don't
# think that it matters if McConkie's views were canon. That is not the
# issue. Were McConkie's writings indicative of Mormon belief on this
# subject is the real issue. The indication from Rick is that they may
# certainly be.
The issue is, of course, that you love to use anything to either mis-
represent or ridicule the lds church. The issue of "official doctrine"
is obviously very important. McConkie's views have been controversial
(e.g. "The Seven Deadly Heresies" has made me a heretic! ;-) at best,
or erroneous at worst ("blacks not to receive the priesthood in this
dispensation"). I respect him as someone who has made his valuable
contribution to the church, but I personally do NOT rely on his personal
interpretations (his book "Mormon Doctrine" is oftentimes referred to
as "McConkie's Bible" in mormon circles) on mormon doctrine. I rather
look to official (doctrinal) sources, and... to Hugh Nibley's books!
(The last comment is an lds-insider reference.) Summarizing: McConkie
was a wise man who contributed undoubtedly far more to the kingdom of
God than I have, but whose views are by no means dogma or accepted
doctrine, some of it clearly belongs to personal interpretation and
speculation. But having said this, I find McConkie (even in his most
biased and speculative moments) far more thought-provoking than the
trash coming from your proverbial pen. I'm somewhat appalled that I have
allowed myself to sink as low as you in this posting...
=============================
Robert Weiss
psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
Casper C. Knies isscck@byuvm.bitnet
Brigham Young University isscck@vm.byu.edu
UCS Computer Facilities
| 19talk.religion.misc
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Formatting more than 1440K - Possible???
A friend of mine who owns a pc said that he recently got a program that can
format a disk that can exceed the normal capacity of a HD disk. Apparently it
rewrites the driver or takes or the driver or _something_ that allows it get
more space out of a normal HD floppy disk. It supposedly gets upto 1.6 Megs
(so something like 1640K?). I don't have the program - since I can't use it
and its supposed to be called something like "FORM16" or something like that.
My question is whether its possible to do this on the Mac and if its not
possible is it due to hardware limitations. A developer friend of mine said
that it might be possible but he doesn't deal with this aspect of the field
much.
Thanks for any information contributed.
Steve
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
Re: FJ1100/1200 Owners: Tankbag Suggestions Wanted
In article <1993Apr20.195116.10738@ncsu.edu> martenm@chess.ncsu.edu (Mark Marten) writes:
>
>I am looking for a new tank bag now, and I wondered if you, as follow
>FJ1100/1200 owners, could make some suggestions as to what has, and has
>not worked for you. If there is already a file on this I apologize for
>asking and will gladly accept any flames that are blown my way!
With the FJ's large, flat gas tank, I'd imagine that almost anything
would work. Personally, I'm quite happy with my Eclipse standard tank
bag.
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
Really stupid monitor question
I have a IIsi & a portrait display (and I love it). I'm using the
built-in video support, so its slow and deals with 16 colors/grays.
So, I'm wondering: if I get a video card, how much does this tend to
speed up things and will I be able to get more than 4bits? Oh, I have
CombiCache w/FPU. Does this limit my choices of video cards?
Thanks
--
Peace.
"Fighting for peace is like f*cking for virginity."
-\--/-
Don't just adopt opinions | \/ | Some of you are homeboys
develop them. | /\ | but only I am The Homeboy From hell
-/--\-
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
Re: The 'pill' for Deer = No Hunting
In article <1993Apr14.182610.2330@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu>, jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu writes:
} The vast majority get through life without ever having to
} own, use or display a firearm.
} ...
}
} Given society
} as we now experience it - it seems safer to get rid of
} as many guns as possible.
Considering that the uses include self defense, hunting, target shooting
and collecting, I don't buy the notion that the vast majority of people
don't "own, use or display a firearm".
But let's say your contention is true. What's the point of "get[ting]
rid of as many guns as possible", if they weren't being used anyway?
--
David Olson dlo@drutx.att.com
"Well, I did say we'll put it out and we'll put it out when we can.
But I don't know what we can put out or when we can put it out."
-- George Stephanopolous.
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
Re: Why Rushdie's writings are unappreciated
In article <1quc6u$8qu@cc.tut.fi>, a137490@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Aario Sami) writes:
|> In <114902@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
|>
|> >In article <C53JqD.MDB@blaze.cs.jhu.edu> arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu (Ken Arromdee) writes:
|> >>In article <114320@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
|>
|> >>>It has been asked why no counter-fatwa has been issued against
|> >>>Khomenei's condemnation of Rushdies because of his _Satanic Verses_.
|> >>>The reason is basically that the "satanic verses" from which Rushdie
|> >>>took his title are a serious matter not to be played around with by
|> >>>anyone who cares about Islam.
|>
|> >>This shouldn't matter.
|>
|> >That's your opinion, which I am sorry to say is irrelevant.
|>
|> >Gregg
|>
|> This guy sounds more than a little borg-ish!
Vell, this is perfectly normal behaviour Vor a Vogon, you know?
jon.
| 0alt.atheism
|
Re: Where are they now?
In article <1ql0d3$5vo@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> geoff@East.Sun.COM writes:
>Your posting provoked me into checking my save file for memorable
>posts. The first I captured was by Ken Arromdee on 19 Feb 1990, on the
>subject "Re: atheist too?". That was article #473 here; your question
>was article #53766, which is an average of about 48 articles a day for
>the last three years. As others have noted, the current posting rate is
>such that my kill file is depressing large...... Among the posting I
>saved in the early days were articles from the following notables:
>
>>From: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich)
>>From: jchrist@nazareth.israel.rel (Jesus Christ of Nazareth)
>>From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin)
>>From: perry@apollo.HP.COM (Jim Perry)
>>From: lippard@uavax0.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
>>From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky)
>
>An interesting bunch.... I wonder where #2 is?
Didn't you hear? His address has changed. He can be reached at the
following address:
dkoresh@branch.davidian.compound.waco.tx.us
I think he was last seen posting to alt.messianic.
Jim
--
If God is dead and the actor plays his part | -- Sting,
His words of fear will find their way to a place in your heart | History
Without the voice of reason every faith is its own curse | Will Teach Us
Without freedom from the past things can only get worse | Nothing
| 0alt.atheism
|
Logitech Scanman 256
I would like to sell my Logitech Hand-held 256 Gray Scale Scanner. I
originally bought it as a toy and have no practical use for it. Hardly
ever used it.
Package includes:
-board
-Scan-Mate software
-Ansel Image Editing software
-All original manuals, box, etc.
Originally bought for $350 in Jan '92.
Selling for $150.
If interested, let me know.
-Hans Meyer
| 6misc.forsale
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Re: QUESTION: 1024 x 768 on Quadra 800
lecates@bach.udel.edu (Roy LeCates) writes:
>In article <1993Apr5.015844.9491@pcnntp.apple.com> Dale_Adams@gateway.qm.apple.com (Dale Adams) writes:
>>> Does anyone have information on acheiving 1024 x 768 resolution on a Q800
>>> using interanl video? Is this even possible?
>>
>>It's most certainly possible.
>Is it possible to use this resolution on the Apple 16" monitor?
>If so, I could probably rig a connector with the proper pins.
Nope. The Apple 16" monitor does not support multiple resolutions.
It is not a multi-synching monitor.
-Hades
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
Need PostScript strokeadjust info
I need information on the Display PostScript strokeadjust feature.
This feature adjusts the endpoints of lines so that the displayed line
looks better on low resolution devices.
The PostScript literature explains the process to some extent. They
also give an example of how to "emulate" strokeadjust in PostScript
environments where it is absent.
The suggested emulation is to modify the coordinates of the endpoints
of a line using the following formula for each coordinate:
new_coord = (round (old_coord - 0.25)) + 0.25
Doing this we end up with all coordinates ending in ".25". From
reading I thought that what they might actually do is:
new_coord = ((trunc (old_coord * 2)) / 2) + 0.25
This results in all the coordinates ending in either "0.25" or "0.75"
whichever is closer.
By doing some actual comparisons with Display PostScript, I find that
neither of these is what DPS really uses. Since I like how the DPS
result looks better than how my stuff looks, I'd like to know if
anyone who knows how DPS does it is willing/able to tell me.
Thanks,
--Steve
squeegee@world.std.com
| 1comp.graphics
|
Re: CView answers
In article <C5LErr.1J3@rahul.net>, bryanw@rahul.net (Bryan Woodworth) writes:
|> In <1993Apr16.114158.2246@whiting.mcs.com> sean@whiting.mcs.com (Sean Gum) writes:
|>
|> >A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I
|> >am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.)
|> >Thanks!
|> >
|>
|> Ho boy. There is no way in HELL you are going to be able to view GIFs or do
|> any other graphics in Linux without X windows! I love Linux because it is
|> so easy to learn.. You want text? Okay. Use Linux. You want text AND
|> graphics? Use Linux with X windows. Simple. Painless. REQUIRED to have
|> X Windows if you want graphics! This includes fancy word processors like
|> doc, image viewers like xv, etc.
|>
Sorry, Bryan, this is not quite correct. Remember the VGALIB package that comes
with Linux/SLS? It will switch to VGA 320x200x256 mode *without* Xwindows.
So at least it is *possible* to write a GIF viewer under Linux. However I don't
think that there exists a similar SVGA package, and viewing GIFs in 320x200 is
not very nice.
Best Regards,
Arno
--
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Arno Schaefer ENSIMAG, 2e Annee
Email: schaefer@silene.imag.fr
Tel.: (33) 76 51 79 95 :-)
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| 1comp.graphics
|
Specs for a WD drive...
Greetings all...
Could some kind sole email me the specs for a Western Digital drive?
It is Model # WD93044-A with 782 cyl and 4 hds. But I do not know the
sectors per track, or any of the other information I have to feed to my
bios to get it up and running.
Thanx for any help
Bob K.
roking@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu
nope... no sig. Honest :)
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Re: Islam And Scientific Predictions (was
In article H9r@ra.nrl.navy.mil, khan@itd.itd.nrl.navy.mil (Umar Khan) writes:
##I strongly suggest that you look up a book called THE BIBLE, THE QURAN, AND
##SCIENCE by Maurice Baucaille, a French surgeon. It is not comprehensive,
##but, it is well researched. I imagine your library has it or can get it
##for you through interlibrary loan.
##
I shall try to get hold of it (when I have time to read of course :-)
##In short, Dr Baucaille began investigating the Bible because of pre-
##ceived scientific inaccuracies and inconsistencies. He assumed that
##some of the problems may have been caused by poor translations in by-
##gone days. So, he read what he could find in Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic.
##What he found was that the problems didn't go away, they got worse.
##Then, he decided to see if other religions had the same problems.
##So, he picked up the Holy Qur'an (in French) and found similar prob-
##lems, but not as many. SO, he applied the same logoic as he had
##with the Bible: he learned to read it in Arabic. The problems he
##had found with the French version went away in Arabic. He was unable
##to find a wealth of scientific statements in the Holy Qur'an, but,
##what he did find made sense with modern understanding. So, he
##investigated the Traditions (the hadith) to see what they had to
##say about science. they were filled with science problems; after
##all, they were contemporary narratives from a time which had, by
##pour standards, a primitive world view. His conclusion was that,
##while he was impressed that what little the Holy Qur'an had to
##say about science was accurate, he was far more impressed that the
##Holy Qur'an did not contain the same rampant errors evidenced in
##the Traditions. How would a man of 7th Century Arabia have known
##what *not to include* in the Holy Qur'an (assuming he had authored
##it)?
##
So in short the writer (or writers) of Quran decided to stay away from
science. (if you do not open your mouth, then you don't put you foot into
your mouth either).
But then if you say Quran does not talk much about science, then one can
not make claims (like Bobby does) that you have great science in Quran.
Basically I want to say that *none* of the religious texts are supposed to
be scientific treatises. So I am just requesting the theists to stop making
such wild claims.
--- Vinayak
-------------------------------------------------------
vinayak dutt
e-mail: vdp@mayo.edu
standard disclaimers apply
-------------------------------------------------------
| 0alt.atheism
|
Re: Branch Athiests Cult (was Rawlins debunks creationism)
king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes:
>"The doubt that has infiltrated the previous, smugly confident certitude
>of evolutionary biology has inflamed passions. There is lack of agreement
>even within warring camps. Sometimes it seems as if there are as many
>variations on each evolutionary theme as there are individual biologists."
>
>Niles Eldridge (yes he's a paleontologist); Natural History; "Evolutionary
>Housecleaning"; Feb 1982; pg. 78.
So?
Of course he's a paleontologist. He's also an evolutionist. In fact,
I'm damn glad he's made it apparent that evolutionary biology has the
ability to adapt to new lines of evidence and to develop new theories.
Otherwise, it wouldn't be science; it would be something like
creationism.
So when should we expect your next out-of-context quote, John E. King?
Do creationists like yourself ever use anything other than appeal to
authority to support arguments? Like science, maybe? I guess not.
(And they wonder why they can't teach creationism in science
classrooms.)
--
Brett J. Vickers "Don't go around saying the world owes you
bvickers@ics.uci.edu a living. The world owes you nothing.
It was here first." - Mark Twain
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
Re: CAD Program for Electronics?
In article <1993Apr17.211126.23467@norfolk.vak12ed.edu> fculpepp@norfolk.vak12ed.edu (Fred W. Culpepper) writes:
>I am making a search for a CAD program that does a decent job
>of making schematic drawings. The program needs to be in
>MS-DOS, Windows if possible.
>
>What I want the CAD program to do is to draw diagrams by
>dragging elements onto the screen, and in this the elements
>needed are as diverse as vacuum tubes to ICs (case with pins).
>It also needs to have provision for adding legends to the
>components as well as their values. In other words I want to
>produce quality drawings. Printout would be to either 24 pin
>dot-matrix and/or Laser Printer.
I would suggest Draw for Windows (by Micrografx). I have this on my
home box. Its quite impressive and only cost UKL100. It has a rather
nice clip-art library facility which you can expand with your own
drawings. There is no circuit component clip-art included, but you
could add your own quite easily.
It works with any Windows printer driver of course, and can also
export embedded postscript and PCX files.
Note: I am not connected with Micrografx in any way.
Paul.
--
Paul Johnson (paj@gec-mrc.co.uk). | Tel: +44 245 73331 ext 3245
--------------------------------------------+----------------------------------
These ideas and others like them can be had | GEC-Marconi Research is not
for $0.02 each from any reputable idealist. | responsible for my opinions
| 12sci.electronics
|
Re: Why are we being censored in a free America? This node specificaly
In article <1993Apr23.072224.13478@mixcom.mixcom.com> you write:
#
# Which Article of the Constitution gives me the right of revolution if things
# seem to be going cockeyed??
#
# Hmmm...
# --
# Peter G. White, President, Synthesis 93 Inc.
# Milwaukee, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
# Peter.White@mixcom.com
This is rather simple, actually ...
Having just been through a revolution, our founding fathers well
understood the relationship between We the People and a govern-
ment of, by and for the people. They also understood that any
government of the People can sometimes grow to become a govern-
ment not "by" the People or not "for" the People. This is how
they chose to handle all of the possibilities:
2nd Amendment
A well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a
free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall
not be infringed.
This is the ONLY part of the Constitution which gives us the
right of revolution if things seem to be going cockeyed. All
that's really necessary is an organized march on Washington, just
have everyone bring their arms. Obviously the 2nd is an important
right, a right which many Americans do not fully appreciate.
Hope this helps,
Ray.
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FullFeed Communications L `; Usenet news and E-mail, plus UUCP
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| 16talk.politics.guns
|
Re: Is it good that Jesus died?
In article <bskendigC5wrsM.Gyx@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>As long as we're trading secrets, let me tell y'all one: I got a
>really bad feeling in my heart back when I was a Christian. I
>couldn't really pinpoint it, but something felt dreadfully cheap and
>wrong about the whole affair. I had been a devout follower, even a
>Bible-banger, but eventually it started ringing terribly hollow to me.
>
>And I felt torn when I began to disagree with a lot of what the Bible
>(and my priests) told me; this was what made me finally realize that
>either I was very wrong, or else the Bible was very wrong. And since
>I felt reasonably sure of myself, I decided to start analyzing the
>Bible very closely. That was the catalyst to my break with my faith,
>though it was a long and difficult effort.
Brian, have you checked out what your priests told you in the
Bible to see whether they were telling you the truth? Did you know
that according to the Bible, there shouldn't even be such things as
"priests" anymore? Do you know why the preisthood was established in
the Old Testament to begin with and the reasons why after Jesus,
there were no priests--that is until the Roman Catholic Church
300 years later devised the doctrine of transubstantiation by ignoring
the whole concept beyond the book of Hebrews?
You said you analyzed the Bible very closely. I think you are
lying. For if you had, I would think you would have at least
got the doctrine of hell straight.
So what is your beef against Jesus? Be specific and point on
verses.
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
Re: Delaunay Triangulation
zyeh@caspian.usc.edu (zhenghao yeh) writes:
>Does anybody know what Delaunay Triangulation is?
>Is there any reference to it?
The Delaunay triangulation is the geometrical dual of the
Voronoi tessellation and both constructions are derived from
natural neighbor order.
Aurenhammer, F., 1991, Voronoi Diagrams - A Survey of a
Fundamental Geometric Data Structure:
ACM Computing Surveys, 23(3), p. 345-405.
Okabe, A., Boots, B., and Sugihara, K., 1992, Spatial
tessellations : concepts and applications of Voronoi diagrams:
Wiley & Sons, New York, ISBN 0 471 93430 5, 532p.
Watson, D.F., 1981, Computing the n-dimensional Delaunay
tessellation with application to Voronoi polytopes:
The Computer J., 24(2), p. 167-172.}
Watson, D.F., 1985, Natural neighbour sorting: The Australian
Computer J., 17(4), p. 189-193.
--
Dave Watson Internet: watson@maths.uwa.edu.au
Department of Mathematics
The University of Western Australia Tel: (61 9) 380 3359
Nedlands, WA 6009 Australia. FAX: (61 9) 380 1028
| 1comp.graphics
|
Janet Reno killed the Waco children
Janet Reno killed the Waco children. She is responsible for
their deaths. She should resign immediately. She should have
understood that David Koresh was a madman who would do anything
against the children if he became provoked. All the warning
signs were there and she ignored them. She provoked Koresh
into killing the children.
The situation in Waco was similar to a hostage situation with
a madman holding a gun against the head of an innocent person.
In such a situation, a person who provokes the madman and causes
him to pull the gun's trigger is responsible for the death of the
hostage. Janet Reno blindly stumbled in there and basically
threw a tear gas container at the madman hoping that he would
release the hostage. It's no surprise that the madman would
pull the trigger in response to that kind of provocation.
Doug Holtsinger
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
Sources for vuewm gadgets
Does anyone know any sites/resources where I can find gadgets for the vuewm
window manager? Such as types,actions,icons for the file manager and
event manager...etc....
tanks, all input appreciated....
| 5comp.windows.x
|
File Formats
Hi folks,
Can anyone give me some information, the location of some
information, or some reference material for the following
file formats: WIFF, MO;DCA/IOCA, PCX.
If this is not quite the appropriate place to ask such
questions, please let me know a more appropriate one and
accept my apologies in advance.
Thanks for your help,
Rich Rollman
Dogleg Systems, Inc.
(908) 389-9597
| 5comp.windows.x
|
Re: Screw the people, crypto is for hard-core hackers & spooks only
In <1r47l1INN8gq@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> jfc@athena.mit.edu (John F Carr) writes:
>In most cases information you come by properly is yours to use as you wish,
>but there are certainly exceptions. If you write a paper which includes
>sufficiently detailed information on how to build a nuclear weapon, it is
>classified. As I understand the law, nuclear weapons design is
>_automatically_ classified even if you do the work yourself. I believe you
>are then not allowed to read your own paper.
This has now been thrown out by the courts. (The "Progressive" case.)
>A less serious example: if you tell drivers about a speed trap they are
>about to run into, you can be fined, even though you might argue that you
>broke no law when you discovered the location of the policeman. The charge
>is interfering with a police officer, which is quite similar what you would
>be doing by reverse engineering the Clipper chip.
This is outright illegal. It DOES violate the first amendment. If you
would, give a case in which your "speed trap" example has been upheld by
the courts.
--
Arthur L. Rubin: a_rubin@dsg4.dse.beckman.com (work) Beckman Instruments/Brea
216-5888@mcimail.com 70707.453@compuserve.com arthur@pnet01.cts.com (personal)
My opinions are my own, and do not represent those of my employer.
| 11sci.crypt
|
OAK VGA 1Mb. Please, I needd VESA TSR!!! 8^)
Hi there!...
Well, i have a 386/40 with SVGA 1Mb. (OAK chip 077) and i don't
have VESA TSR program for this card. I need it .
Please... if anybody can help me, mail me at:
lulagos@araucaria.cec.uchile.cl
Thanks.
Mackk.
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Ack!
| 1comp.graphics
|
Thanks for UnlockFolder
Sorry all the personal replies I sent about help with UnlockFolder
got
eaten by my mail program (my fault), so I'd like to thank everyone
who sent me info!
Kristen Lepa
* Origin: Leo Technology (603)432-2517/432-0922 (HST/V32)
(1:132/189)
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
Re: Questions for KC-135 veterans
>>if you think you may have some problems you may want to make it stand up on the
>>side so that the Gees won't affect too much the writing on the disk or on the
>>hard disk....
>
>Hmm. I would think being on edge would be *worse*, since that might
>make the tracks unsymmetrical around the spindle due to the sideways
>force on the head. Older drives used to tell you to reformat if you
>were going to stand the drive on edge; at 3+g, this side force might
>even be a problem for new drives.
well it seemed to work for the Mac II installation I was talking about.
Oh yeah there is something I forgot to mention :
even though you're not suppposed to have water around, there IS
some condenstion d
dripping from the roof of the plane make sure that your hardware is covered.
Make also sure that your keyboards are protected from the two-phase flow
coming out of sick people. It happened to us.....
Good luck.
Igor Carron
Texas A&M University
| 14sci.space
|
Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-lo
In article <C5szvL.I48@oakhill.sps.mot.com> dong@oakhill.sps.mot.com writes:
>>I'd be inclined to make the prize somewhat larger, but $1G might be enough.
>
>this all sounds like that Indecent Proposal movie. wouldn't there be
>a lot of people that would try this with little hope of working just
>to get the dough? if you have a 1:100 chance and it costs you $10Mil,
>then you might pay some stooge a few grand to be your lucky hero.
>just send up a few dozen and 1 is bound to survive enough to make YOU
>rich.
Any prize like this is going to need to be worded carefully enough that
you cannot get it without demonstrating sustained and reliable capability,
rather than a lucky one-shot. It can be done.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
| 14sci.space
|
Re: Writing a Motif widget
In article <C5wApJ.DD7@ibmpcug.co.uk> nicholas@ibmpcug.co.uk (Nicholas Young) writes:
I need (probably) to write one or more new Motif widgets on the HP-UX
platform. Do I need the Motif private header files and source,
or can I make do with the public headers that are provided?
"Motif" includes Xt in this context.
Yes. You'll find it almost impossible without the source
at this point. It does depend on how ambitious you are and
how concerned you are about compliance with the general
interface and items like traversal.
One widget is a multi-column list (which lots of people have
already written, I am sure), and would therefore be probably be
a subclass of List rather than something simple like an Xt class.
Is this more difficult (in principle, not lines of code)?
I'm not sure what you're asking. You could create something
which is very much like a true multi-column list by placing
several lists within a geometry manager, and putting that
manager within an automatic scrolled window. This wouldn't
be good for very large lists, but you might consider this
as an alternative.
Alternatively, if anyone has a multi-column list widget they
could sell me, this might save me from having to write one!
Does it by any chance exist in Motif 1.2 already (I do not
yet have the spec)?
Motif 1.2 does not have a multi-column list in it. Have you
looked at commercial sets? There are also some PD
widget sets, one of these might have a multi-column list
you could port.
--
Douglas S. Rand <drand@osf.org> OSF/Motif Dev.
Snail: 11 Cambridge Center, Cambridge, MA 02142
Disclaimer: I don't know if OSF agrees with me... let's vote on it.
Amateur Radio: KC1KJ
| 5comp.windows.x
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flash LEDs with sound?
I'm looking for a circuit that will flash an led on in response
to the output from a walkman cassette player. How could I do this?
I don't want it just to turn on, I want it to 'strobe' once so to speak,
per every beep I put on a cassette tape.
Would it be better to use a circuit based on the volume of the beeps
on the cassette, or better for the leds to respond to a tone of a certain
frequency? Is there any easy way to do either of these? I'm looking for
the simplest circuit possible. I guess what I'm asking for is some sort of
color organ, but not quite. Let me trt to explain again...
I'm going to have a pattern of beats (or beeps) on a cassette tape.
So on the tape you'd hear: beep! (pause) beep! (pause) beep! (pause)..etc.
, with speed increasing as time goes on. I want to synchronize an LED (
probably two of them) with the beeps on the cassette tape. So the LED, with
each beep, would go on and off real quick, generating a strobe light sort
of effect. The rapidity of the beeps on the tape would in turn effect the
rapidity of the blinking of the LEDS. And if there was no sound on the tape
(except for background his), the LEDs would remain off. Please help!
Thanks,
Dana
| 12sci.electronics
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Re: To Rob Lanphier
You just don't get it, do you?
brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
>
>Me: "Brian K, please step aside before you get run over."
>BK: "There is no truck."
>Me: "Turn around at look."
>BK: "No."
>Me: "Look! You will be healthier if you do take a look at
> the oncoming truck."
>BK: "No. Explain to me why trucks exist."
>Me: "Turn around or you will run over."
>BK: "No. I won't because I like hiking and tomorrow is Tuesday."
>Me: "You blind fool! Why do you choose ignorance? You have nothing
> to lose if you look. But if do not look, you will certainly lose your life."
> I do not want to see you squashed all over the road.
>BK: "It is my life to lose. I rather not look.
> Besides, a truck running over me will not harm me."
> And by the way, I really have an open mind."
I think the discussion is more like this...
Me: [ happily picking daisies by the side of the road ]
BC: [ dancing on the double yellow broken line ]
"Come on out and play on the highway!"
Me: "Why?"
BC: "The highway was put here for people to be on. We must work towards
fulfilling its purpose."
Me: "But --"
BC: "Look, the highway has been here for several generations. Look, I
have a story about how it was actually created by a divine being!
And several people actually saw Elvis bless it!"
Me: "But --"
BC: "Look, are you going to come out here, or not?"
Me: "But --"
BC: "You probably think that picking daisies is fun. Well, you're wrong."
Me: "Where in blazes did you get this silly idea that you're supposed to
be playing on the highway? You'll get yourself killed!"
BC: "Better to be killed on the highway than to live an empty life off
of it. Besides, you're just asking pointless questions. You know
you really want to be playing on the highway too; you're just
denying it."
Me: "If you want to get run over, then fine, but I'd much rather enjoy
the daisies, if you please."
BC: "Why do you shun me like this? The Creator of the Highway will flatten
you with a steamroller if you don't see the light and come join me!"
Me: "Well, if he's gonna be THAT way about it, maybe I want to get as
far from the highway as I can..."
BC: [ incoherent but quite familiar righteous sputtering ]
Brian C., don't you see? I do not believe that your god is:
(a) real, or even
(b) beneficial.
In fact, I believe your religion is imaginary and, carried to
extremes, harmful. I would like to help you see its shortcomings, and
perhaps someday finally become strong enough to see it for what it is:
an elaborate lie, kept alive by the elite priesthood to keep the
masses properly submissive to their influences.
Please offer me an argument that's more convincing than "you just
don't believe 'cos you don't want to." Everything you've said so far
could apply equally to any religion -- why do you believe yours is the
real one?
(Note that saying "it's the only one that promises eternal life" or
something like that isn't an answer to my question, unless you show
that (a) no other religion promises eternal life and (b) it is
unarguably true that eternal life must be a reality.)
--
_/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun
/_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
_/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.
/ The meaning of life Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.
/ is that it ends. -- Rousseau
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Re: UVA
@> A few things about the University. It is more fun than some may
@> admit. Partying does go on and it has consistently been ranked
@> one of Playboy's top party schools. ...
I knew it. Andi Beyer is a FRATERNITY PRANK.
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
Re: Organized Lobbying for Cryptography
Quoting amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker) in article <1rn1b3$khb@news.intercon.com>:
>george@tessi.com (George Mitchell) writes:
>> Guns are offensive. Cryptography is defensive. See the difference?
>Nope. Information, properly delivered, can be just as deadly as lead.
The same is true of lemon meringue pie.
__ _____
\/ o\ Paul Crowley pdc@dcs.ed.ac.uk \\ //
/\__/ Trust me. I know what I'm doing. \X/ Fold a fish for Jesus!
| 11sci.crypt
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Re: BDI Experience
Kent D. Polk (kent@swrinde.nde.swri.edu) wrote:
: Also watch your mirrors any time you are turning. I just had another close
: one last night. Preparing for a right turn on a two lane road. Right turn
: signals on, starting the turn, and this lady behind me hits the throttle and
: starts to pass me on the RIGHT. This has happened to me twice before. the
I have had this happen to me often enough that I always look for it.
On my ride to work in the morning I come to a stop light where there are
3 lanes in my direction. One for left turns, one for straight through, and
one for right turns. All clearly marked. Plus there is a clearly marked
bicycle lane. I ride into the right turn lane with my signal on and stop at
the stop line. Looking left to see if I can make a "right turn on red" and
when I start to move discovered that some idiot has pulled into the bike
lane and is trying to pass me on the right. GRRR.
I always do a head check on bike lanes. Not always for bicycles. . .
--
*******************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck (703) 231-9503 Bill.Ranck@vt.edu *
* Computing Center, Virginia Polytchnic Inst. & State Univ., Blacksburg, Va. *
*******************************************************************************
| 8rec.motorcycles
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Re: tvtwm & xsetroot, X11R5 and SPARCstation 10 keyboard
In article <1r1q5g$cv4@genesis.ait.psu.edu> barr@pop.psu.edu (David Barr) writes:
>In article <MAILQUEUE-101.930420145015.384@oak.shu.ac.uk> D.Haywood@sheffield-hallam.ac.uk writes:
>> Environment: Sun SPARC 10, SunOs 4.1.3. X11R5 patch level 23. My X
>>process is started by xdm.
>
>Okay, that's good. I'm typing this from exactly the same setup.
>(US-UNIX layout keyboard) I did install the sunkbd patch, though.
...
>> ii) When I open an Xterm on the Sparc 10, not all of the keys are recognised
>> and some keys on the keyboard are not sending the correct characters.
>
>Did you install the sunkbd patch? It's in the contrib directory on export.
>All the keys on my keyboard send events properly, except the following:
>The End, PageUp, PageDown on the 6-key cluster aren't recognized.
>Even the compose key works. (Though I can't seem to get the composed
>characters in an xterm to get passed.)
>
>Anyone have a fix for the last two?
I don't know anything about a "sunkbd" patch, but I use the following
.Xmodmap file (run from .xinitrc via "xmodmap $HOME/.Xmodmap", of course) for
my Type-5 UNIX keyboard: (It's a bit "brute force", however.)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
!
! Sun Type-5 UNIX keyboard remappings
!
! This remaps the arrow keys properly
!
! By default, the arrow keys on the keypad (Shift-8 = Up, Shift-4 = Left,
! Shift-6 = Right, and Shift-2 = Down) work, but the arrow keys are not
! assigned to any keysym
!
keycode 27 = Up
keycode 31 = Left
keycode 34 = Down
keycode 35 = Right
!
! Now we want the Back Space key to emit the "Delete" keysym
!
keycode 50 = Delete
!
! Other random mappings that aren't on by default
!
! SysRq/Print Screen key
keycode 29 = SunSys_Req Print
! Break/Pause key
keycode 28 = Break Pause
! Alt Graph key
keycode 20 = Mode_switch
! PageUp key
keycode 103 = Prior
! PageDown key
keycode 130 = Next
! Insert key
keycode 51 = Insert
!
! Home, End keys = ???
!
! Open Look Functions
!
! Stop key (SunStop keysym == Cancel)
keycode 8 = SunStop
! Again key (SunAgain == Redo)
keycode 10 = SunAgain
! Props key
keycode 32 = SunProps
! Undo key (SunUndo == Undo)
keycode 33 = SunUndo
! Front key
keycode 56 = SunFront
! Copy key
keycode 58 = SunCopy
! Open key
keycode 79 = SunOpen
! Paste key
keycode 80 = SunPaste
! Find key (SunFind == Find)
keycode 102 = SunFind
! Cut key
keycode 104 = SunCut
--
- Greg Earle
Phone: (818) 353-8695 FAX: (818) 353-1877
Internet: earle@isolar.Tujunga.CA.US
UUCP: isolar!earle@elroy.JPL.NASA.GOV a.k.a. ...!elroy!isolar!earle
| 5comp.windows.x
|
Re: Societal basis for morality
GMILLS@CHEMICAL.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Phil Trodwell) writes:
>Think about these questions in light of some recent social issues:
> Topic Legal? Moral?
...
> Prayer in school No (gen.) ditto
Prayer in school is legal; what is illegal is telling children
what to pray, or not to pray. Many people confuse "you can't
tell kids that they ought to pray now" with "kids aren't allowed
to pray", possibly because so few kids do so without being told.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
Re: Tie Breaker....(Isles and Devils)
In <lrw509f@rpi.edu> wangr@vccsouth22.its.rpi.edu ( Rex Wang ) writes:
> Are people here stupid or what??? It is a tie breaker, of cause they
>have to have the same record. How can people be sooooo stuppid to put win as
>first in the list for tie breaker??? If it is a tie breaker, how can there be
>different record???? Man, I thought people in this net are good with hockey.
>I might not be great in Math, but tell me how can two teams ahve the same points
>with different record??? Man...retard!!!!!! Can't believe people actually put
>win as first in a tie breaker......
Why not? I believe both the Devils and Islanders got 87 points.
Say for example, another team had this record : 20-37-47;
they had 20*2+47*1+37*0=87 which is the same as their points total.
(The Islanders' and Devils' records are both 40-37-7.
It is simple arithmetics and involve no Calculus.
John.
(a computer science graduate who pretends to be a mathematican)
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
Re: WANTED: Playmation Info
In article <1993Apr22.205418.27411@osf.org> omar@godzilla.osf.org (Mark Marino) writes:
>Hi Folks,
>
> Does anyone have a copy of Playmation they'd be willing to sell me. I'd
>love to try it out, but not for the retail $$$.
Playmation is available direct from Anjon & Associates for $299. It's hard
to beat that price. Also, you'd be better off with a newer version than
an older version that had bugs that have long since been clobbered.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>| Mark Marino | omar@osf.org | uunet!osf!omar |
--
\_ -Ken Baer. Programmer/Animator, Hash Enterprises
<[_] Usenet: baer@qiclab.UUCP / AppleLink: KENBAER / Office: (206)573-9427
=# \, "We're not hitchhiking anymore, we're RIDING!" - Ren Hoak.
| 1comp.graphics
|
Re: What part of "No" don't you understand?
In <1993Apr24.214843.10940@midway.uchicago.edu> eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu
(E. Elizabeth Bartley) writes:
>I can certainly see opposing the "Amen" -- but that doesn't require
>opposing a moment of silence.
If the ONLY people proposing a "moment of silence" are doing so as a
sham to sneak in prayers, then it MUST be opposed. What the HELL have
prayers to do with public schooling? [I ask this question as a devout
Christian.]
>>I'll back off when they do.
>Does anybody else besides me see a vicious circle here? I guarantee
>you the people who want school prayer aren't going to back off when
>they can't even manage to get a quiet moment for their kids to pray
>silently.
Their kids can bloody-well pray any God-damned time they WANT to. And
nothing, on heaven or earth, in government or the principal's office,
can prevent or in any other way deal with their doing so. *Especially*
if the prayer is silent (as bursting out into the "Shema Yisrael" or
some other prayer *might* be construed as disruptive if audible :-))
No one ever prevented ME from praying in public school! They hardly
even prevented me from masturbating in study hall.
I should have thought better of someone posting from a UChicago address.
How can you manage to say such nonsense without shame?
Muslim students might have a complaint, if they are prevented from setting
out their rugs and doing the proper ablutions before prayer at the times
specified in the Qu'ran. Jews would probably like the opportunity to daven
with tefillim and whatever else *they* require, at *their* appropriate times.
I do not see THEM complaining (though Muslims and Jews have a case that no
Christian I have ever heard has been able to make.)
The "Christian" insistence on a PUBLIC, UNIVERSAL, ENFORCED "moment of
prayer^H^H^H^H^H^Hsilence" is nothing but the Inquisition "naturalized"
into the American context. It is offensive to the Gospel of Christ.
--
Michael L. Siemon I say "You are gods, sons of the
mls@panix.com Most High, all of you; nevertheless
- or - you shall die like men, and fall
mls@ulysses.att..com like any prince." Psalm 82:6-7
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
Definition of Occlusion
Hi! Everyone,
I don't clearly understand 'occlusion' in computer graphics.
Would you please give me an explanation?
BTW, what's the difference between 'occluded surface' and opaque surface?
Thanks in advance.
Yeh
USC
| 1comp.graphics
|
OEM weight scale
Does someone sell OEM scale units with either analog or digital output?
I need something like the scales used in supermarket cash registers,
with a dynamic range of a few pounds and reasonable accuracy.
Any sources ? -David
+------------------------------------------------------------+
| David Prutchi HC1DT |
| Washington University <prutchi@mesun4.wustl.edu> |
| Campus Box 1185 <dp@cec1.wustl.edu> |
| One Brookings Drive <prutchi@eng.tau.ac.il> |
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| 12sci.electronics
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Graphics Library (GL) for HP and Sun
We are looking for GL source code, which was developed by Silicon Graphics (SGI).
We would like to compile it on Sun and HP 9000/700s. If there is anyone already
supporting GL on HP and Sun, please respond.
Also please respond if anyone knows where the source code is available.
Thank you
chandra@sbi.com
jon@sbi.com
| 1comp.graphics
|
Re: ATF BURNS DIVIDIAN RANCH - UPDATE
In article <nate.1485.735408842@psygate.psych.indiana.edu> nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu (Nathan Engle) writes:
><34AEJ7D@CMUVM.BITNET> writes:
>>Ah yes, I see a few liberal weenies have come out of the woodwork
>>to defend the burning of the children.
>
> Actually all the liberals I've seen have deplored the burning of
>children. I would far preferred that the Davidians had not set the
>fire that burned themselves and their children to death, but I don't
>believe that the responsibility for the fire (or the almost complete
>absense of attempts to escape the blaze) can be placed at the door of
>the Federal authorities.
>
So far, there is NO credible evidence that the BD's set the fires
themselves. We only have the ATF/FBI's sayso. Law enforcements type
would *never* lie to cover their ass, right?
>>Probably drooled all over themselves while watching the TV coverage.
>
> Not so. My wife got me a convenient plastic "drip pan" for Christmas...
>
>>Probably had a few like that in Nazi Germany, as well.
>
> Yeah, those Nazis. You know how we liberals just love those Nazis.
No, not love, just share a surprising similarity of beliefs and
method.
>>Oh yeah, ATF/FBI now claims, according the the media, that there are
>>a few survivors. The number seems to vary minute by minute.
>
> Yeah, as information trickles in... funny how that works...
Funny, yeah, funny how you didn't wait for the FBI spokesdroid
latest reversal of "facts" before proclaiming the BD's burned
themselves to death.
>Nathan Engle Software Juggler
>Psychology Department Indiana University
>nate@psygate.psych.indiana.edu nengle@silver.ucs.indiana.edu
--
+ Wayne J. Warf -- WWARF@ucs.indiana.edu -- I speak for myself only +
|*Clinton*Gore*CIA*FBI*DEA*Assassinate*Bomb*WoD*BoR*ATF*IRS*Resist*NSA* |
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| 16talk.politics.guns
|
Re: Strain Gage Applications in vivo
In article <1993Apr28.173600.21703@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> ame_0123@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu (Terrance J. Dishongh) writes:
>Greeting
>
>I am starting work on a project where I am trying to make strain gages
>bond to bone in vivo or a period of several months. I am currently
>using hydroxyapaptite back gages, and I have tried M-bonding the gages
>to the bone. Apart from those two application methods there doesn't
>seem to be much else in the literature. I have only an engineering
>background not medical or biological. I would be interest in any
>ideas about how to stimulte bone growth on the surface of cortical bone.
>
>Thanks for oyur help in Advance.
>
>Terrance J Dishongh
>ame_0123@bigdog.engr.arizona.edu
Terrance,
There is a good article entitled: "A long-term in vivo bone strain
measurement device," Journal of Investigative Surgery 1989; 2(2): 195-206
by Szivek JA & Magee FP.
I think you can find some others by searching MedLine.
Partap S. Khalsa, MS, DC, FACO
Post-Doc Research Fellow
U.Mass.Med. School
| 13sci.med
|
Re: A Good place for Back Surgery?
gary.schuetter (garyws@cbnewsg.cb.att.com) wrote:
:
: Hello,
: Just one quick question:
: My father has had a back problem for a long time and doctors
: have diagnosed an operation is needed. Since he lives down in
: Mexico, he wants to know if there is a hospital anywhere in
: the United States particulary famous for this kind of surgery,
: kind of like Houston has a reputation for excellent doctors
: in eye surgery. Any additional info or pointers will be
: appreciated a whole lot!...
There is one hospital that is here in New York City that is famous for its
orthopedists, namely the Hospital for Special Surgery. They are located on
the upper east side of manhattan. If you want their address and phone let
me know, i'll get them, i dont know them off hand.
--
/\ _ /\ | Felix The Cat
| 0 0 |-------\== The Wonderful, Wonderful Cat!
\==@==/\ ____\ | ===============================
Meow!--- \_-_/ || || hoss@panix.com
| 13sci.med
|
Re: Why the clipper algorithm is secret
johnl@iecc.cambridge.ma.us (John R. Levine) writes:
> >The cryptographic protocol, though, is another matter. I see no valid
> >reasons for keeping it secret, and -- as I hope I've shown above -- there
> It just occurred to me why the algorithm is secret. If it were
> published, one could then build physically identical clone versions
I recall seeing a post some time ago saying that if the details of
an encryption scheme couldn't be revealed, then the encryption
scheme is worthless. I believe the statement was in response to
somebody saying that they had some new snazzy scheme, but the
algorithm was a secret.
Does this algorithm depend on the fact that the scheme is secret or
is it for the stated reasons above?
-Mike
| 11sci.crypt
|
Re: BATF/FBI Murders Almost Everyone in Waco Today! 4/19
In article <C5rynw.Iz8@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) writes:
>And I suppose the FBI also prevented them from coming out with their
>hands up while national tv cameras watch.
>
Watch from where? Two miles away? Far enough away that whatever
really happenned must be explained through the vengeful filter of
a humiliated agency that said (quote!) "Enough is enough."
>scenario that is simplest and most plausible. I do not generally
>believe in conspiracy theories that involve complicated and unlikely
>scenarios.
The FBI sent letters to Martin Luther King's wife insinuating
that MLK was having an affair! Again, please tell us exactly
how much you trust our supposedly benevolent government.
>The BATF is by no means devoid of fault in the handling of this affair.
>But to suggest that they may have intentionally started the fire is
>ludicrous.
I suspect that there were plenty of camerapeople willing to
risk small arms fire to get some good footage. These people
were told to get the hell out of camera range. Why?
Drew
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| 16talk.politics.guns
|
Re: Israeli Expansion-lust
In article <1993Apr14.224726.15612@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:
>Jake Livni writes
>> Sam Zbib writes
[all deleted...]
Sam Zbib's posting is so confused and nonsensical as not to warrant a
reasoned response. We're getting used to this, too.
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
Re: Question about Virgin Mary
In article <May.9.05.39.11.1993.27394@athos.rutgers.edu> db7n+@andrew.cmu.edu (D. Andrew Byler) writes:
>And it should be noted that the Monophysite Chruches of Egypt and Syria
>also hold to this belief as part of divine revelation, even though they
>broke away from the unity of the Chruch in 451 AD by rejecting the
>Council of Chalcedon. It might be argued by some Protestants that the
>Catholics and Orthodox made this belief up, but the Monophysites, put a
>big hole in that notion, as they also hold the belief, and they split
>from the Chruch before the belief was first annunciated in writing (as
>far as is known, much has been lost from the time of the Fathers).
The belief that the churches of Egypt and Syria were (or are) monophysite is
false, as is the belief that they often held that the Council of Chalcedon
was Nestorian.
These misunderstandings were exacerbated by political factors, and thus led
to schism - a schism that is on its way to being healed.
============================================================
Steve Hayes, Department of Missiology & Editorial Department
Univ. of South Africa, P.O. Box 392, Pretoria, 0001 South Africa
Internet: hayesstw@risc1.unisa.ac.za Fidonet: 5:7101/20
steve.hayes@p5.f22.n7101.z5.fidonet.org
FAQ: Missiology is the study of Christian mission and is part of
the Faculty of Theology at Unisa
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Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
In article <1qlgdrINN79b@gap.caltech.edu> carl@SOL1.GPS.CALTECH.EDU writes:
>In article <1993Apr15.173902.66278@cc.usu.edu>, slyx0@cc.usu.edu writes:
>=Surprise surprise, different people react differently to different things. One
>=slightly off the subject case in point. My brother got stung by a bee. I know
>=he is allergic to bee stings, but that his reaction is severe localized
>=swelling, not anaphylactic shock. I could not convince the doctors of that,
>=however, because that's not written in their little rule book.
>Of course, bee venom isn't a single chemical. Could be your brother is
>reacting to a different component than the one that causes anaphylactic shock
>in other people.
Hmmm. The last time I got stung by a bee I experienced the same reaction
the first poster's brother did. We went off to the doctor to see if I
should worry about the fact that my foot was now about 3 times it's normal
size. (And itched!!! Ow!) He basically said I shouldn't this time, but
that bee sting allergy was not something you tended to get aclimatized to,
but were something that each time got progressively worse generally and that
next time could be the time I go into anaphylactic shock. Admittedly this
was many years ago when I was young. Since then I just make sure I don't
get stung. I also should carry a bee sting kit with me, but I don't.
This isn't scientific or proof, but this would lead me to believe it's not a
different reaction, just a different degree of reaction. Allergies work
that way. People have various reactions. Sort of like diabetes, some
people can get by with just monitoring their diet, others have to monitor
their diet and use insulin sometimes while others have to watch their diet
like a hawk and use insulin regularly.
I think MSG is probably similar...some people have allergic reactions to
it. Some people are allergic to fermented things and can't use soy
sauce...but the chinese have been using it for centuries... that doesn't
necessarily mean that it's safe for everyone.
Johanna
turner@reed.edu
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Re: What does the .bmp format mean?
In article <robertsa.735922084@unix2.tcd.ie>
robertsa@unix2.tcd.ie (Andrew L. Roberts) writes:
>What exactly does the windows bitmap format look like? I mean, how is
>the data stored: width, height, no. of colours, bitmap data? I couldn't
>find anything in ths user manual, is there any other reference material
>which would give me this information?
From: thomas@sunshine.Kodak.COM (Thomas Kinsman)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.programmer.misc,alt.binaries.pictures.utilities
Subject: DIB/BMP CREATION GUIDE, as requested.
Keywords: DIB BMP Bitmaps File Formats
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GUIDE TO CREATION OF DIB IMAGES
Thomas B. Kinsman
Precambrian Electronics
29 Falstaff Rd.
Rochester, NY 14609
thomask@kodak.com
Copyright March 15, 1991
ABSTRACT
The format of images created for use by MS Windows 3.0/3.1
applications is documented in the MS Windows Programmer's
Reference guide. This guide is intended as a clearify some
wording of the specifications, and to put forth a
recommendation among the various alternatives.
Please send updates/corrections/suggestions and revisions to
me. Please thank me for writing this on my own time by
keeping my name with the document. Thank you for your
respect.
This document Copyright, 1991, by Thomas B. Kinsman.
If desired, a PostScript version of this document is
available.
This information is free. You get more than what you pay for.
Don't sue me if I'm wrong.
OVERVIEW
The DIB image file format is intended to be a "Device Independent Bitmap"
file format. (What Microsoft means by "Device Independent" is unclear to
me.) Four pixel resolutions are supported: 1 bit, 4 bit, 8 bit, and 24 bit
pixels.
These images were intended for use on DOS (IBM, or Little-Endian) systems.
If you are creating them on another architecture you will have to byte-
swap all short and long integer values.
By convention, DIB images end in the extension ".BMP". This is because
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they are a super-set of earlier "bitmap image files". Consequently you
will sometimes hear DIB files referred to as "BMP" files.
Since DIB images files are a super-set, there are three "flavors" of DIB
images:
o DOS DIB images. These are the recommended convention, and the
form which I will describe how to create. They are intended for
applications running under MS Windows /3.0 in a DOS environment.
o OS/2 DIB images. My understanding is that these are the flavor
of DIB images that were used by the Presentation Manager.
o Old-style Bitmap images.
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DIFFERENCES BETWEEN FLAVORS
The DOS DIB images consist of:
1. A "BITMAPFILEHEADER" file header which identifies the file as a
DIB file. This header also gives the total size of the image
file, and the offset to the image data.
2. A "BITMAPINFOHEADER" image header which specifies the image
attributes.
3. An optional palette of colors used by the image. If it exists,
this may contain 2, 16, or 256 entries. Each entry is a Windows
RGBQUAD structure.
4. The image data itself.
The OS/2 DIB images consist of:
1. The same "BITMAPFILEHEADER" file header which identifies the file
as a DIB file. This header also gives the total size of the
image file, and the offset to the image data.
2. A "BITMAPCOREHEADER" image header which specifies the image
attributes.
3. An optional palette of colors used by the image. Again, if this
exists it may contain 2, 16, or 256 entries. Each entry is a
Windows RGBTRIPLE structure.
4. The image data itself.
The Old Style image bitmap consists of:
1. Either a BITMAPINFOHEADER or a BITMAPCOREHEADER. Which header
type is determined by the first long integer (DWORD) value.
2. An optional color palette. This palette may be composed of
either Windows RGBQUAD structures (if the header was a
BITMAPINFOHEADER) or Windows RGBTRIPLE structures (if the header
was a BITMAPCOREHEADER).
3. The image data itself.
CREATING DIB IMAGE FILES.
Creating a DOS DIB image file consists of several straight forward steps.
The headers need to be created and then written to the file. These header
structures are defined in the MS Windows/3.0 "windows.h" include file.
Palette information needs to be stored for images that are not 24-bit
images. The five general steps are:
1. Filling in the BITMAPFILEHEADER and the BITMAPINFOHEADER
structures the basic image information.
2. If the image is a 1-bit, 4-bit, or an 8-bit image, creating the
color palette of RGBQUADS.
3. Calculating the total file size and putting this information in
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the "bfSize" field of the BITMAPFILEHEADER.
4. Calculating the offset to the image data from the start of the
file, and putting this in the "bfOffBits" field of the
BITMAPFILEHEADER.
5. Writing to the file the BITMAPFILEHEADER, the BITMAPINFOHEADER,
the color palette, and the image data (in that order).
The following sections describe structures in terms of MicroSoft C type-
defined keywords. The following table describes these keywords for those
not familiar with MicroSoft C.
_______________________________________
| |
| Type-defined keywords in MicroSoft C.|
|______________________________________|
| typedef | meaning |
|_________|____________________________|
| BYTE | unsigned character |
| WORD | two byte unsigned integer |
| DWORD | four byte unsigned integer|
|_________|____________________________|
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THE BITMAPFILEHEADER
This structure is defined in "windows.h" as:
typedef struct tagBITMAPFILEHEADER {
WORD bfType;
DWORD bfSize;
WORD bfReserved1;
WORD bfReserved2;
DWORD bfOffBits;
} BITMAPFILEHEADER;
The "bfType" field is the two ascii characters 'B' and 'M'. This serves
to identify the file as a DIB image file. On an intel byte ordered
machine (IBM or a compatible), this constant can be formed in C as the
quantity ('M' << 8 | 'B') == 0x4d42 on an intel system.
The "bfSize" field is the total size of the file. For our purposes this
field is equal to: the size of the BITMAPFILEHEADER, plus the size of the
BITMAPINFOHEADER, plus the number of entries in the color palette times
the size of a RGBQUAD, plus the number of bytes of image data. If the
image data is being written out in an uncompressed form, this value can be
calculated ahead of time. Otherwise, this field needs to be filled in
later.
Both the "bfReserved1" and the "bfReserved2" fields are always set to
zero.
The "bfOffBits" field is set to the offset to the start of the image data
from the start of the file. For our purposes, this field should be set
to: the size of the BITMAPFILEHEADER, plus the size of the
BITMAPINFOHEADER, plus the number of entries in the color palette times
the size of a RGBQUAD. This works out because the image data is written
write after the color palette if one exists.
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THE BITMAPINFOHEADER
This structure is defined in "windows.h" as:
typedef struct tagBITMAPINFOHEADER{
DWORD biSize;
DWORD biWidth;
DWORD biHeight;
WORD biPlanes;
WORD biBitCount;
DWORD biCompression;
DWORD biSizeImage;
DWORD biXPelsPerMeter;
DWORD biYPelsPerMeter;
DWORD biClrUsed;
DWORD biClrImportant;
} BITMAPINFOHEADER;
The "biSize" field is set to the size of the BITMAPINFOHEADER structure
itself. When reading the image file, this value is what is used to
determine that the image contains a BITMAPINFOHEADER and not a
BITMAPCOREHEADER.
The "biWidth" field is the width of the image in image pixels.
The "biHeight" field is the height of the image in image lines.
The "biPlanes" field should always be set to 1. This data is written out
as if there was one color plane.
The "biBitCount" field is the bit-depth of the image. This must be either
1, 4, 8, or 24, depending on the bit-depth of the image data.
The "biCompression" field tells how the image data is compressed if it is
compressed. DIB images support two forms of run-length encoding.
However, I have never seen any images which use it, and don't know yet how
it works. Set this field to zero (long zero, or 0L), to indicate that the
data is not compressed.
All subsequent fields of the BITMAPINFOHEADER structure may be set to
zero. A requirement of the interpretting software that it be able to
compute these fields as necessary from the previous information.
The field which you might want to explicitly specify might be "biClrUsed".
For 4-bit and 8-bit images this field indicates that not all of the
possible color entries are used and that the image contains "biClrUsed"
colors. If you are using only 32 colors with an 8-bit image, then you may
only want to save 32 of the possible 256 palette entries. Generally, set
this field to zero.
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COLOR PALETTES
Each entry of a color palette is a RGBQUAD structure. The RGBQUAD
structure is defined in the "windows.h" include file as:
typedef struct tagRGBQUAD {
BYTE rgbBlue;
BYTE rgbGreen;
BYTE rgbRed;
BYTE rgbReserved;
} RGBQUAD;
The "rgbReserved" field is always zero. For each color used, the amount
of Blue, Green, and Red are filled into the structure and the structure is
written to the file. A value of zero in the "rgbBlue", "rgbGreen", or
"rgbRed" fields indicates that that particular component does not
contribute to the color composition. A value of 255 in any of these
fields indicates that the component contributes fully to the color
composition.
IMAGE DATA
There are three surprises about the ordering of image data in DIB image
file. The creator of this format was determined to be creative, and
certainly was.
Within the image data, each line written out is padded to the next four
byte quantity. So, if you had an 8-bit image which was only one pixel
wide, you still have to write out four bytes for every image line. The
number of bytes per line can be calculated as:
bytes_per_line = (width_in_pix * bit_depth + 31 ) / 32 * 4;
---or, in terms of the fields of the BITMAPINFOHEADER structure---
bytes_per_line = (biWidth * biBitCount + 31 ) / 32 * 4;
When writing out your image data, you must write it out bottom line first.
The bottom line of the image as you would look at it on the screen is the
first line of image data in the file.
For 1-bit, 4-bit, and 8-bit images, information is written as you would
expect. One bit images are padded eight pixels to a byte. Four bit
images are padded two pixels to a byte. Eight bit images are written one
pixel per byte. Twenty-four bit images are written three bytes per pixel.
However, for 24-bit images the information must be written out in the
order blue, green, red. While most image file formats write data out in
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an "RGB" ordering, a DIB image file writes the data out in an "BGR"
ordering.
SUMMARY
This should provide enough information to create DIB images from
applications such as scanners or for image exporting routines. If you
find out any more about DIB images, please pass the information on to me
so that I can modify this document accordingly.
March 15, 1991
--
Thomas B. Kinsman, Rochester, NY, thomas@acadia.kodak.com
"Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty." -anon
--
ITO Takayuki <yuki@is.s.u-tokyo.ac.jp>
Senior, Department of Infomation Science,
Faculty of Science, University of Tokyo, JAPAN.
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Re: Date is stuck
I've posted a couple of notes about encountering this problem. Based on some
suggestions from:
Mark Aitchison, University of Canterbury, New Zealand.
and
Chris A. Larrieu @cs.wm.edu
I think that my problem is a screen saver that also outputs sound (to my
PC speaker). I'm still looking at some of the other screen savers that I
use (with a randomizer), but this one definately caused the loss of several
minutes over night (but not the date this time).
--
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1241 Laurie Avenue | Office: (408) 448-7404
San Jose, CA 95125 | Fax: (408) 448-7404
Email: bsardis@netcom.COM or 70105.1210@compuserve.COM
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One-time pad authentication?
I can think of a couple of ways of guaranteeing authenticity in a one-time
pad encrytped scheme, though I'm not sure how to prove that what kind of
authenicity they provide.
An obvious first-attempt might be to prepend a truly random (unpredictable
for Eve) block to the message, and then calculate a CRC which included the
random starting block and all of the message. This could be encrypted after
the message. The problem is, I'm not sure it's impossible to come up with
a message that will hash to the same CRC regardless of the random starting
block. (It intuitively seems like it ought to be hard, but I'm not *that*
sure....) Clearly, a crypto-strength hash like MD5 or the SHA would be
stronger, but again, I'm not sure I'm comfortable claiming that it's
unbreakable.
A scheme to use up some of the pad bits to decide how many bits of 0's
to include in the plaintext stream before going on wouldn't be too bad,
either. At the cost of increasing the speed with which you use up your
pad, this could be used to give you arbitrarily low probability that your
opponent could spoof a valid-looking message, since any deciphered plaintext
in a spot that should be carrying 0's will show that something funny's going
on.
If, for each message bit M_i, we used up one random bit, R_i, to decide
whether to insert a 0 into the plaintext stream, we'd get a total pad use
of 2.5 times the message length. (We'd expand the message size by about
half.) Each 0 that should appear in the plaintext stream that doesn't is a
guess for our would-be spoofer. At each bit, she has to guess. I'm trying
to see how to quantify her chances of making it all the way through the
spoofed message, but it gets a little complicated, because she can get un-
synched, and still happen to have a 0 in that place in the spoofed message.
Now, I can see a simple way of doing this that's got to be as secure
as a one-time pad, at a cost of using 4 times the message length in pad bits.
For each message bit, M_i, use one random bit, R_i, and xor them together
to get X_i. Now, encrypt the three bits with the one-time pad. The enemy
has no way of guessing what R_i is, so he/she can't guess what X_i is, either.
Any change she makes in the ciphertext stream will have to involve a guess
of what R_i was. Is there any way to do this without using so many pad bits?
Spoofing the message is equivalent to correctly guessing as many random
bits as there are bits in the message. Clearly, this makes spoofing messages
just as hard if you know the whole message text as if you know none of it.
In fact, it looks to me like this makes it just as hard to generate a spoofed
message with the ciphertext as without it, but I'm not entirely sure about
that.
Is there an easier way of doing this that's provably as secure as the
one-time pad?
--John Kelsey
| 11sci.crypt
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Re: solvent for duct-tape adhesive?
mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>>>
>>I don't know for sure that this will work, but you might try MEK (methyl
>>ethyl keytone?). It worked getting the stickum left over from shelf paper,
>>and is available at paint stores. Use a carbon gas mask and lots of
>>ventilation--this stuff really stinks!
>--
>:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : *****
>:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : *********
>:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * *
>:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <><
If you use MEK for your sake wear safty glasses or better still
industrial goggles. The small est drop in the eye will casue
blindness by a catalysis reaction that is non cureavble once it starts.
The results are similar to mustard gas contamination. Note MEK peroxide
is a hardner form fibreglass resins.
--
Dave Stephenson
Geological Survey of Canada
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Internet: stephens@geod.emr.ca
| 12sci.electronics
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Re: food-related seizures?
In article <116305@bu.edu> dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff) writes:
Path: news.larc.nasa.gov!darwin.sura.net!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!linac!att!bu.edu!dozonoff
From: dozonoff@bu.edu (david ozonoff)
Newsgroups: sci.med
Date: 21 Apr 93 16:18:19 GMT
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Sharon Paulson (paulson@tab00.larc.nasa.gov) wrote:
:
{much deleted]
:
:
: The fact that this happened while eating two sugar coated cereals made
: by Kellog's makes me think she might be having an allergic reaction to
: something in the coating or the cereals. Of the four of us in our
: immediate family, Kathryn shows the least signs of the hay fever, running
: nose, itchy eyes, etc. but we have a lot of allergies in our family history
: including some weird food allergies - nuts, mushrooms.
:
Many of these cereals are corn-based. After your post I looked in the
literature and located two articles that implicated corn (contains
tryptophan) and seizures. The idea is that corn in the diet might
potentiate an already existing or latent seizure disorder, not cause it.
Check to see if the two Kellog cereals are corn based. I'd be interested.
--
David Ozonoff, MD, MPH |Boston University School of Public Health
dozonoff@med-itvax1.bu.edu |80 East Concord St., T3C
(617) 638-4620 |Boston, MA 02118
A couple of folks have suggested the "corn connection". In the five month
period between the two seizures, my daughter had eaten a fair amount of
Kix and Berry Berry Kix in the mornings and never had a problem. I checked
the labels and the first ingredient is corn. She has also never had a problem
eating corn or corn on the cob but of course, that is usually later in the day
with a full stomach so the absorption would not be so high. I do believe that
Frost Flakes have corn in them but I will have to check the Fruit Loops. But
the fact that she has eaten this other corny cereal in the morning makes me
wonder.
Thanks for checking into this. All information at this point is valuable to me.
Sharon
--
Sharon Paulson s.s.paulson@larc.nasa.gov
NASA Langley Research Center
Bldg. 1192D, Mailstop 156 Work: (804) 864-2241
Hampton, Virginia. 23681 Home: (804) 596-2362
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Q: which of these CD-ROM players would you choose for OS/2?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Netters!
I need a cdrom drive as my order was cancelled and thought 'Why not ask
the net.community'? I was ordering a Nec CDR-74 but saw so much cheaper
ones that I want to know more.
The drive will be used to install software and (if available) for listening
to CD's. Perhaps some day I'll want to use it to read the other CD's, but
that's not really relevant at the moment.
I've been offered the following CD-ROM players, for the prices stated.
They all claim to have SCSI-I, and operate under OS/2.
The drives are not listed in the cdrom-faq and therefor, please give
your opinions on the drives, i've got the impression that they're not
all SCSI. Actually the Nec was listed as non-scsi in the cdrom-faq and as
a compatible SCSI product in the os2faq.
I've calculated the prices as having dutch guilders times 2. It's actually
about times 1.8.
Mitsumi CRMC $240
Philips LMS-I $300
Philips 205 $350
Toshiba ? $370
Nec CDR-74 $650
Who bought that Trantor that is in the faq? It's extremely cheap and SCSI,
so what's the trick or where can I order it (Holland using MasterCard).
Trantor T128 $200
regards, JV
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Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]
In article <1993Apr10.125109.25265@bradford.ac.uk> L.Newnham@bradford.ac.uk (Leonard Newnham) writes:
>Gregg Jaeger (jaeger@buphy.bu.edu) wrote:
>>Could you please explain in what way the Qur'an in your eyes carries
>>"the excess baggage of another era"? The Qur'an in my opinion carries
>>no such baggage.
>How about trying to run a modern economy without charging interest on
>loans. From what I hear, even fundamentalist Iran is having to
>compromise this ideal.
Which sort of loans and what have you heard exactly?
Gregg
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