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Re: Pens fans reactions
>I'm really impressed with Bowman's coaching tactics - he's had an answer for
>every move that Brooks has thrown at the Pens.
>
>Susan Dart
Such as?
-jake.
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
Re: Volume
In article <1993Apr28.230749.18198@Virginia.EDU> ab4z@Virginia.EDU ("Andi Beyer") writes:
>P.P.S. Just to clear up something, I don't think than the Jews
>are necessarily any worse than other people
How generous Andi. Thanks for your validation.
-Adam Schwartz
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
Re: Tempest
In article <1993Apr26.193801.12416@lynx.dac.northeastern.edu> angel@Foghorn_Leghorn.coe.northeastern.edu (Kirill Shklovsky) writes:
>In article <1993Apr26.104320.10398@infodev.cam.ac.uk> rja14@cl.cam.ac.uk (Ross Anderson) writes:
>>I'm afraid this doesn't work either. We can pick up laptop screens without any
>>problem.
>>
>>Most of the so-called `low radiation' monitors are also useless. The description
>>turns out to a marketing assertion rather than an engineering one.
>>
>>We thought there might be a market for a monitor which was not as hugely
>>expensive as the military Tempest kit, but which was well enough shielded to
>>stop eavesdropping using available receivers. We built a prototype, it works,
>>and it's still sitting on my lab bench. Commercial interest was exactly zero.
>>
>>In the absence of open standards, a monitor which really is `low radiation'
>>(and costs 500 dollars more) can't compete against a monitor which just
>>claims to be `low radiation' (and whose only extra cost of production is the
>>pretty blue sticker on the box).
>>
>>Ross
>
>I heard somewhere (can't name the source) that TEMPEST does not necessarily
>pick-up just CRTs, but it can pick up emissions from almost any chip. If
>that is true, the kind monitor would not make any difference becuase everything
>on the screen can be picked-up from the video controller. Can anybody verify
>or refute this?
>
Just thought of something. Yes, laptops can still be read, but it's not quite
as easy as a normal pc with a CRT. My thought, Airline pilots lately have
been complaining about how laptops being used in flight mess with the plane's
instruments. If this can be hyped up, manufacturers may start building
laptops with even lower emmisions. It would probably still be possible to
pick up with surveillance equipment, but at this point, it would be a lot
cheaper to mask the remaining signals with TEMPEST techniques.
Doug Holland
--
| Doug Holland | Anyone who tries to take away my freedom |
| holland@cs.colostate.edu | of speech will have to pry it from my |
| PGP key available by E-mail | cold, dead lips!! |
| 11sci.crypt
|
Re: "Accepting Jeesus in your heart..."
gsu0033@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu (Eric Molas) writes:
> Religion (especially Christianity) is nothing more than a DRUG.
There is a certain truth to this statement. Only I would use the word
"medicine" instead of drug. With regard to the condition of the human
soul, Christianity is first and foremost a healing medicine. It also
strengthens and enables one, as healing takes hold, to grow in new
strength and health to live and be and to do that for which God created
us.
> Some people use drugs as an escape from reality.
Christ's medicine, rightly allowed to work, brings one nearer to
reality and offers the clarity of understanding and the strength
of spirit with which to meet it in a healthy human way.
> Christians inject themselves with Jesus and live with that high.
(small spelling correction added)
Gerry Palo (73237.2006@compuserve.com)
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
Immaterial afterlife (was Is Hell Real)
In article <C4zAyM.M9u@spss.com> goer@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>
>I thought everyone who died simply went to Sheol. The notion of going to
>heaven is a Christianization based on those parts of the NT that speak of
>an immaterial afterlife.
>
> -Richard L. Goerwitz goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
> goer@midway.uchicago.edu rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer
>
Where in the Bible is there *any* teaching about an immaterial afterlife?
I was always taught that both the O.T. Jews and the N.T. Christians would
have found the notion incomprehensible--as do I.
Don't we christians believe in the resurrection of the body?
Or do you mean by material simply the stuff made of the 100+ elements
that we know and love too much?
--
Stan Armstrong. Religious Studies Dept, Saint Mary's University, Halifax, N.S.
Armstrong@husky1.stmarys.ca | att!clyde!watmath!water!dalcs!armstrng
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
Re: Boog Powell (was re: CAMDEN YARDS)
In article <1993Apr13.150904.25249@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca>, Mark B. says:
>
> Was he better than Balboni?
>
this borders on blasphemy.
bob vesterman.
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
Re: $$$ to fix TRACKBALL
Of course, if you want to check the honesty of your dealler, take it in
knowing what's wrong, and ask them to tell you. :)
Of course he'll probably know right a way, then charge you a $20 service
fee. :)
Rob
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
Re: Theism and Fanatism (was: Islamic Genocide)
In article <16BB7B863.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de> I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:
#In article <1r0sn0$3r@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>
#frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
#
#>|>#>#Theism is strongly correlated with irrational belief in absolutes. Irrational
#>|>#>#belief in absolutes is strongly correlated with fanatism.
#
#(deletion)
#
#>|Theism is correlated with fanaticism. I have neither said that all fanatism
#>|is caused by theism nor that all theism leads to fanatism. The point is,
#>|theism increases the chance of becoming a fanatic. One could of course
#>|argue that would be fanatics tend towards theism (for example), but I just
#>|have to loook at the times in history when theism was the dominant ideology
#>|to invalidate that conclusion that that is the basic mechanism behind it.
#>
#>IMO, the influence of Stalin, or for that matter, Ayn Rand, invalidates your
#>assumption that theism is the factor to be considered.
#
#Bogus. I just said that theism is not the only factor for fanatism.
#The point is that theism is *a* factor.
That's your claim; now back it up. I consider your argument as useful
as the following: Belief is strongly correlated with fanaticism. Therefore
belief is *a* factor in fanaticism. True, and utterly useless. (Note, this
is *any* belief, not belief in Gods)
#>Gullibility,
#>blind obedience to authority, lack of scepticism, and so on, are all more
#>reliable indicators. And the really dangerous people - the sources of
#>fanaticism - are often none of these things. They are cynical manipulators
#>of the gullible, who know precisely what they are doing.
#
#That's a claim you have to support. Please note that especially in the
#field of theism, the leaders believe what they say.
If you believe that, you're incredibly naive.
#>Now, *some*
#>brands of theism, and more precisely *some* theists, do tend to fanaticism,
#>I grant you. To tar all theists with this brush is bigotry, not a reasoned
#>argument - and it reads to me like a warm-up for censorship and restriction
#>of religious freedom. Ever read Animal Farm?
#>
#That's a straw man. And as usually in discussions with you one has to
#repeat it: Read what I have written above: not every theism leads to
#fanatism, and not all fanatism is caused by theism. The point is,
#there is a correlation, and it comes from innate features of theism.
No, some of it comes from features which *some* theism has in common
with *some* fanaticism. Your last statement simply isn't implied by
what you say before, because you're trying to sneak in "innate features
of [all] theism". The word you're groping for is "some".
#Gullibility, by the way, is one of them.
No shit, Sherlock. So why not talk about gullibility instead of theism,
since it seems a whole lot more relevant to the case you have, as opposed
to the case you are trying to make?
#And to say that I am going to forbid religion is another of your straw
#men. Interesting that you have nothing better to offer.
I said it reads like a warm up to that. That's because it's an irrational
and bogus tirade, and has no other use than creating a nice Them/Us
split in the minds of excitable people such as are to be found on either
side of church walls.
#>|>(2) Define "irrational belief". e.g., is it rational to believe that
#>|> reason is always useful?
#>|>
#>|
#>|Irrational belief is belief that is not based upon reason. The latter has
#>|been discussed for a long time with Charley Wingate. One point is that
#>|the beliefs violate reason often, and another that a process that does
#>|not lend itself to rational analysis does not contain reliable information.
#>
#>Well, there is a glaring paradox here: an argument that reason is useful
#>based on reason would be circular, and argument not based on reason would
#>be irrational. Which is it?
#>
#That's bogus. Self reference is not circular. And since the evaluation of
#usefulness is possible within rational systems, it is allowed.
O.K., it's oval. It's still begging the question, however. And though
that certainly is allowed, it's not rational. And you claiming to be
rational and all.
At the risk of repeating myself, and hearing "we had that before" [we
didn't hear a _refutation_ before, so we're back. Deal with it] :
you can't use reason to demonstrate that reason is useful. Someone
who thinks reason is crap won't buy it, you see.
#Your argument is as silly as proving mathematical statements needs mathematics
#and mathematics are therfore circular.
Anybody else think Godel was silly?
#>The first part of the second statement contains no information, because
#>you don't say what "the beliefs" are. If "the beliefs" are strong theism
#>and/or strong atheism, then your statement is not in general true. The
#>second part of your sentence is patently false - counterexample: an
#>axiomatic datum does not lend itself to rational analysis, but is
#>assumed to contain reliable information regardless of what process is
#>used to obtain it.
#>
#
#I've been speaking of religious systems with contradictory definitions
#of god here.
#
#An axiomatic datum lends itself to rational analysis, what you say here
#is a an often refuted fallacy. Have a look at the discussion of the
#axiom of choice. And further, one can evaluate axioms in larger systems
#out of which they are usually derived. "I exist" is derived, if you want
#it that way.
#
#Further, one can test the consistency and so on of a set of axioms.
#
#what is it you are trying to say?
That at some point, people always wind up saying "this datum is reliable"
for no particular reason at all. Example: "I am not dreaming".
#>|Compared the evidence theists have for their claims to the strength of
#>|their demands makes the whole thing not only irrational but antirational.
#>
#>I can't agree with this until you are specific - *which* theism? To
#>say that all theism is necessarily antirational requires a proof which
#>I suspect you do not have.
#>
#
#Using the traditonal definition of gods. Personal, supernatural entities
#with objective effects on this world. Usually connected to morals and/or
#the way the world works.
IMO, any belief about such gods is necessarily irrational. That does
not mean that people who hold them are in principle opposed to the exercise of
intelligence. Some atheists are also scientists, for example.
#>|The affinity to fanatism is easily seen. It has to be true because I believe
#>|it is nothing more than a work hypothesis. However, the beliefs say they are
#>|more than a work hypothesis.
#>
#>I don't understand this. Can you formalise your argument?
#
#Person A believes system B becuase it sounds so nice. That does not make
#B true, it is at best a work hypothesis. However, the content of B is that
#it is true AND that it is more than a work hypothesis. Testing or evaluating
#evidence for or against it therefore dismissed because B (already believed)
#says it is wronG/ a waste of time/ not possible. Depending on the further
#contents of B Amalekites/Idolaters/Protestants are to be killed, this can
#have interesting effects.
Peculiar definition of interesting, but sure. Now show that a belief
in gods entails the further contents of which you speak. Why aren't my
catholic neighbours out killing the protestants, for example? Maybe they
don't believe in it. Maybe it's the conjunction of "B asserts B" and
"jail/kill dissenters" that is important, and the belief in gods is
entirely irrelevant. It certainly seems so to me, but then I have no
axe to grind here.
--
Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That'
odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
| 0alt.atheism
|
Re: help:second hd install
In article <1993Apr21.4889.48270@dosgate>, "mike tancsa" <mike.tancsa@canrem.com> writes:
>
>
> I am considering adding to my 386 system equipped with a 130meg Maxtor
> HD, a second Maxtor 245 Meg HD. I assume this will not be a problem.
> However, I remember reading somewhere that to do this, you needed to
> reformat your original drive ? Is this true ? If so why ? My drive is
> full and I really don't like the idea of to re-installing everything
> from floppy!!
>
> Please E-mail me, or post to the group
>
>
> --Mike
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Waterloo, Ontario #2 mike.tancsa@canrem.com
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No you do not need to reformat your old HD.
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| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
In article <93112.164435J5J@psuvm.psu.edu> John A. Johnson <J5J@psuvm.psu.edu> writes:
#In article <1r39kh$itp@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank
#O'Dwyer) says:
#>
#[ . . .]
#>Specifically, I'd like to know what relativism concludes when two
#>people grotesquely disagree. Is it:
#>
#>(a) Both are right
#>
#>(b) One of them is wrong, and sometimes (though perhaps rarely) we have a
#> pretty good idea who it is
#>
#>(c) One of them is wrong, but we never have any information as to who, so
#> we make our best guess if we really must make a decision.
#>
#>(d) The idea of a "right" moral judgement is meaningless (implying that
#> whether peace is better than war, e.g., is a meaningless question,
#> and need not be discussed for it has no correct answer)
#>
#>(e) Something else. A short, positive assertion would be nice.
#>
#>As I hope you can tell, (b) and (c) are actually predicated on
#>the assumption that values are real - so statements like these
#>_can't_ consistently derive from the relativist assumption that values
#>aren't part of objective reality.
#
#I am a relativist who would like to answer your question, but the way you
#phrase the question makes it unanswerable. The concepts of "right"
#and "wrong" (or "correct/incorrect" or "true/false") belong to the
#domain of epistemological rather than moral questions. It makes no
#sense to ask if a moral position is right or wrong, although it is
#legitimate to ask if it is good (or better than another position).
#
#Let me illustrate this point by looking at the psychological derivatives
#of epistemology and ethics: perception and motivation, respectively.
#One can certainly ask if a percept is "right" (correct, true,
#veridical) or "wrong" (incorrect, false, illusory). But it makes little
#sense to ask if a motive is true or false. On the other hand, it is
#strange to ask whether a percept is morally good or evil, but one can
#certainly ask that question about motives.
#
#Therefore, your suggested answers (a)-(c) simply can't be considered:
#they assume you can judge the correctness of a moral judgment.
True, by "correct" I mean "the thing valued is really good". I should
use evaluative terms, but I don't always. Sorry for the sloppy phrasing.
Can you answer if "betterness" is used in in place of @correctness"?
#
#Now the problem with (d) is that it is double-barrelled: I agree with
#the first part (that the "rightness" of a moral position is a
#meaningless question), for the reasons stated above. But that is
#irrelevant to the alleged implication (not an implication at all) that
#one cannot feel peace is better than war. I certainly can make
#value judgments (bad, better, best) without asserting the "correctness"
#of the position.
You can never say that the thing is @really better@, or "more likely
to better, from all realistic frames of reference"?
#
#Sorry for the lengthy dismissal of (a)-(d). My short (e) answer is
#that when two individuals grotesquely disagree on a moral issue,
#neither is right (correct) or wrong (incorrect). They simply hold
#different moral values (feelings).
This is where my difficulty arises, though I'm starting to get
in now. The thing is, there isn't anything simple about different
moral values, when those values are human rights.
#"A ruthless, doctrinaire avoidance of degeneracy is a degeneracy of
# another sort. Getting drunk and picking up bar-ladies and writing
# metaphysics is a part of life." - from _Lila_ by R. Pirsig
Peculiar - you're getting relativism from this, I'm getting
objectivism :-) Good book, though, and a good quote.
--
Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That'
odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
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Re: Braves Update!!
In article <1993Apr20.163456.8983@adobe.com>, snichols@adobe.com (Sherri Nichols) writes:
> In article <13586@news.duke.edu> fierkelab@bchm.biochem.duke.edu (Eric Roush) writes:
>>1) Since time immemorial, batters have complained about calls.
>>So have pitchers and catchers.
>
> However, batters didn't use to go for strolls after bad calls to the degree
> they do now.
I really think that this is the key point. When I saw the incident on
Baseball Tonight Sunday, I couldn't believe how far away from the plate
Gant went. Then he casually leaned against his bat. I don't blame the
umpire at all for telling the pitcher to pitch.
The worst part of the whole incident was the Braves coming out onto the
field. What were they going to do, attack the umpire? The only people
who should've been out there were Cox and maybe the coaches, but NO players.
I agree with the person who posted before that Cox should be suspended for
having no control over his team.
John
| 9rec.sport.baseball
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Re: Tieing Abortion to Health Reform -- Is Clinton Nuts?
regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
>In article <1993Apr9.154530.15187@colorado.edu> wws@roberts.colorado.edu (Wendy Sullivan) writes:
>> Abortion (in many cases) is a choice, birth is a necessary function to keep
>> our population alive. To those who disagree with abortion, I am sure cost
>> is not a major factor.
>Make you the same deal I offered Doug. You and the rest of the pro-lifers
>on this net can pay all prenatal and child bearing costs for those poor
>who want to have children, and the pro-choicers on the net will pay for the
>abortions of the poor who don't want to have children. Deal?
A more realistic offer would be:
Those who object to paying for abortion can instead pay for the (greater)
cost of delivery that those who couldn't afford an abortion (and wanted
one) would be forced to go through, while those of us who do not object to
public funding of abortions for those who can not afford medical care on
their own can pay for the (smaller) cost of an abortion for those who
decide that is what is best for them, but are unable to afford it on their
own. Funny how those who object to paying *their* money to pay for *other's*
abortions end up paying *more* money than if they hadn't objected. People
need to realize that where *your* individual tax money goes is a meaningless
concept. It is probably unlikely that the fraction of your taxes that would
actually *on average* go towards such abortions would cover the cost of even
*one* entire abortion. (Consider how many taxpayers there are, how many
abortions are performed, and how many would likely be paid for by public
funds, and how much you pay in taxes and how much a typical abortion would
cost. I think the factors on the order of 1/1000 involved will swamp the
rest.)
(It's more realistic because we don't really object to paying for delivery,
etc for those women who *chose* that, but can't afford it.)
>Adrienne Regard
-Rob
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
1993 Infiniti G20
I am thinking about getting an Infiniti G20.
In consumer reports it is ranked high in many
catagories including highest in reliability index for compact cars.
Mitsubushi Galant was second followed by Honda Accord).
A couple of things though:
1) In looking around I have yet to see anyone driving this
car. I see lots of Honda's and Toyota's.
2) There is a special deal where I can get an Infinity G20, fully
loaded, at dealer cost (I have check this out and the numbers match
up). They are doing this because they are releasing and update mid-1993
version (includes dual air-bags) and want to get rid of their old 1993's.
I guess my question is: Is this a good deal?
Also, Can anyone give me any feedback on Infiniti?
Thanks,
Carl Hoffman
P.S.
The other cars that I have test driven and which are in the
running are:
Mitsubishi Galant, Honda Accord, and Toyota Camary
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Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
In article <1993Apr21.204036.13723@rick.dgbt.doc.ca> jhan@debra.dgbt.doc.ca (Jerry Han) writes:
>In article <bontchev.735404289@fbihh>
>
>As one of the happily sleeping people, I would just like to ask this->
>aren't people just slightly overreacting to this? Or are we all of a
>sudden going to draw parallels to Nazi Germany and Communist Russia?
Yes. Reasonable parallels. (though I don't think Russia ever claimed to be
Communist)
>The point of the matter is that; yes this is a serious problem. But it is
>not the end of the world. Guess what? We're doing something now you
>can't do in a Communist country or Nazi Germany. We're complaining about
I must protest your "...in a Communist country". How do you know?
There haven't been any, and are unlikely to ever be any. In some Socialist
dictatorships, you can't, whilst in some socialist democracies
(such as France or Australia)
you can. Of course, some people may disagree about France & Australia being
socialist...
>it, (or rather, you're complaining about it) and nobody is shooting at us.
Yet.
>(Or, rather, if they're shooting at me, they have real bad aim. (:-) )
>
>GUESS WHAT PEOPLE? You live in one of the few countries in the world
>where a person can complain without getting shot at.
In some circumstances. I was at a public meeting last night (in the USA), where
a protester, who was very nice and calm, and just said before the
speaker started to beware of his opinions, was forced out of the meeting by
two armed policemen.
There are a lot of things that one cannot do in the USA. You may not
notice them, but as an Australian visitor, I notice them.
>People are always complaining that somebody did this wrong, or somebody
>did that wrong, or whatever. Sit down and figure out two things:
>
>1) What have they done right?
>2) How much worse can it get?
>
>And you'll find that you and I, are pretty damn lucky.
Yes, we are lucky at the moment. I hope that is still true in
a few years time. Because it didn't just happen...it required concious
effort.
>So let's talk about it, get some action going, decide what's going on.
>But let's not overreact!
Of course don't over react --- but don't under react.
Andrew.
Disclaimer: All my opinions are my own, and do not represent the society
for the conservation of momentum or any other group. I hope I don't lose
my student Visa as a result of these opinions..
--
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Cryptography FAQ 01/10 - Overview
Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part01
Last-modified: 1993/4/15
FAQ for sci.crypt, part 1: Overview
This is the first of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are
mostly independent, but you should read this part before the rest. We
don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.
Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.
Disclaimer: This document is the product of the Crypt Cabal, a secret
society which serves the National Secu---uh, no. Seriously, we're the
good guys, and we've done what we can to ensure the completeness and
accuracy of this document, but in a field of military and commercial
importance like cryptography you have to expect that some people and
organizations consider their interests more important than open
scientific discussion. Trust only what you can verify firsthand.
And don't sue us.
Many people have contributed to this FAQ. In alphabetical order:
Eric Bach, Steve Bellovin, Dan Bernstein, Nelson Bolyard, Carl Ellison,
Jim Gillogly, Mike Gleason, Doug Gwyn, Luke O'Connor, Tony Patti,
William Setzer. We apologize for any omissions.
If you have suggestions, comments, or criticism, please let the current
editors know by sending e-mail to crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu. We don't
assume that this FAQ is at all complete at this point.
Archives: sci.crypt has been archived since October 1991 on
cl-next2.cl.msu.edu, though these archives are available only to U.S. and
Canadian users. Please contact crypt-comments@math.ncsu.edu if you know of
other archives.
The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu
as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography
FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers
every 21 days.
Table of contents:
1 Overview
2 Net Etiquette
* What groups are around? What's a FAQ? Who am I? Why am I here?
* Do political discussions belong in sci.crypt?
* How do I present a new encryption scheme in sci.crypt?
3 Basic Cryptology
* What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key?
* What references can I start with to learn cryptology?
* How does one go about cryptanalysis?
* What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance?
* What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem?
* If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it
guaranteed analysis-proof in practice?
* Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are
relatively easy to break?
4 Mathematical Cryptology
* In mathematical terms, what is a private-key cryptosystem?
* What is an attack?
* What's the advantage of formulating all this mathematically?
* Why is the one-time pad secure?
* What's a ciphertext-only attack?
* What's a known-plaintext attack?
* What's a chosen-plaintext attack?
* In mathematical terms, what can you say about brute-force attacks?
* What's a key-guessing attack? What's entropy?
5 Product ciphers
* What is a product cipher?
* What makes a product cipher secure?
* What are some group-theoretic properties of product ciphers?
* What can be proven about the security of a product cipher?
* How are block ciphers used to encrypt data longer than the block size?
* Can symmetric block ciphers be used for message authentication?
* What exactly is DES?
* What is triple DES?
* What is differential cryptanalysis?
* How was NSA involved in the design of DES?
* Is DES available in software?
* Is DES available in hardware?
* Can DES be used to protect classified information?
* What are "ECB", "CBC", "CFB", and "OFB" encryption?
6 Public-Key Cryptography
* What is public-key cryptography?
* What's RSA?
* Is RSA secure?
* How fast can people factor numbers?
* What about other public-key cryptosystems?
7 Digital Signatures and Hash Functions
* What is a one-way hash function?
* What is the difference between public, private, secret, shared, etc.?
* What are MD4 and MD5?
* What is Snefru?
8 Technical Miscellany
* How do I recover from lost passwords in WordPerfect?
* How do I break a Vigenere (repeated-key) cipher?
* How do I send encrypted mail under UNIX? [PGP, RIPEM, PEM, ...]
* Is the UNIX crypt command secure?
* How do I use compression with encryption?
* Is there an unbreakable cipher?
* What does ``random'' mean in cryptography?
* What is the unicity point (a.k.a. unicity distance)?
* What is key management and why is it important?
* Can I use pseudo-random or chaotic numbers as a key stream?
* What is the correct frequency list for English letters?
* What is the Enigma?
* How do I shuffle cards?
* Can I foil S/W pirates by encrypting my CD-ROM?
* Can you do automatic cryptanalysis of simple ciphers?
* What is the coding system used by VCR+?
9 Other Miscellany
* What is the National Security Agency (NSA)?
* What are the US export regulations?
* What is TEMPEST?
* What are the Beale Ciphers, and are they a hoax?
* What is the American Cryptogram Association, and how do I get in touch?
* Is RSA patented?
* What about the Voynich manuscript?
10 References
* Books on history and classical methods
* Books on modern methods
* Survey articles
* Reference articles
* Journals, conference proceedings
* Other
* How may one obtain copies of FIPS and ANSI standards cited herein?
* Electronic sources
* RFCs (available from [FTPRF])
* Related newsgroups
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* HELP needed with LIGHT DEPENDENT RESISTOR Devices (LDRs) *
Can some kind soul provide me with information on LDRs that contain an
onboard light-source, in a totally integrated and light-shielded unit.
I have seen a VTL5C LDR in some schematics. So who are the manufacturers
of these devices, and what are the different types.
Thanks very much in advance,
Jim.
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Department of Electrical & Electronic Engineering.
School of Information Technology & Electrical Engineering.
The University of Melbourne, Parkville 3052, Victoria, Australia.
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Re: Shaft-drives and Wheelies
In article <735660736snz@morgan.demon.co.uk> tony@morgan.demon.co.uk writes:
>In article <1993Apr23.164901.13892@megatek.com> randy@megatek.com writes:
>
>> When did *you* go out and change the laws of physics? :-) According to some
>>numbers I used to see bandied around, shaft drive is on the order of 95-97%
>>efficient, while chain drive is closer to 99%... Seems to me that this makes
>>*chain* drive more efficient, hmmmmm???
>
>Well maintained chains, running in oil, without those little rubber 'O' rings
>to cause frictional losses, might reach 99% efficiency. The average open to
>the dust 'O' ring motorcycle chain probably has a difficult job making 90%
>efficient.
How about some sources for all these numbers? Or is this more stuff that
"everybody knows"?
--
Blaine Gardner @ Evans & Sutherland
bgardner@dsd.es.com
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
Re: Drag-free satellites
In article <15821.2be3e125@cpva.saic.com> thomsonal@cpva.saic.com writes:
>On Sat, 1 May 1993 23:13:39 GMT, henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer) said:
>
>> No. A "dragless" satellite does not magically have no drag; it burns fuel
>> constantly to fight drag, maintaining the exact orbit it would have *if*
>> there was no drag.
>
> Well, almost. It turns out that clever orbital mechanics can
>engineer things so that resonant interactions with the higher order
>harmonics of the Earth's gravitational field can pump energy into a
>satellite, and keep it from experiencing drag effects for periods of
>months to years.
A harmonic of the Earth's gravitational field? What IS a harmonic of the
Earth's gravitational field?
> My favorite example of this is the Soviet/Russian heavy ELINT
>satellites of the Cosmos 1603 class, which are in 14:1 resonance. In
14:1 resonance with WHAT? It's not like there's any wavelength or frequency
to the Earth's gravitational field. Now, there' might be some interesting
interactions with the Moon's tidal effect--is that what you're talking about?
>
> This probably has little relevance to space stations, since the 71
>degree orbits of the C1603 satellites are at 850 km, which is
>unacceptably far into the inner van Allen belt for manned platforms. But
>it's kind of interesting from the point of view of the physics of the
>situation.
What are the physics of the situation? The only way I can see gravitational
effects being useful in adding energy to an object orbiting Earth is some
sort of interaction with the moon.
--
*Isaac Kuo (isaackuo@math.berkeley.edu) * ___
* * _____/_o_\_____
* Twinkle, twinkle, little .sig, *(==(/_______\)==)
* Keep it less than 5 lines big. * \==\/ \/==/
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Re: Please Recommend 3D Graphics Library For Mac.
rgc3679@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Robert G. Carpenter) writes:
> Hi Netters,
>
> I'm building a CAD package and need a 3D graphics library that can handle
> some rudimentry tasks, such as hidden line removal, shading, animation, etc.
>
> Can you please offer some recommendations?
It's really not that hard to do. There are books out there which explain
everything, and the basic 3D functions, translation, rotation, shading, and
hidden line removal are pretty easy. I wrote a program in a few weeks witht
he help of a book, and would be happy to give you my source.
Also, Quickdraw has a lot of 3D functions built in, and Think pascal
can access them, and I would expect that THINK C could as well. If you can
find out how to use the Quickdraw graphics library, it would be an excellent
choice, since it has a lot of stuff, and is built into the Mac, so should be
fast.
Libertarian, atheist, semi-anarchal Techno-Rat.
I define myself--tsa@cellar.org
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10% of Azeri soil is now occupied by x-Soviet Armenia. Talk about...?
In article <1993May15.021746.9527@seas.smu.edu> pts@seas.smu.edu (Paul Thompson Schreiber) writes:
> By Nancy Najarian
>huddled around one measly candle or kerosene lamp in the cold? How to
>make others feel the isolation of living in a country of 3.5 million
>people completely blockaded by hostile neighbors, prevented from
>receiving adequate supplies of fuel to keep the electric plants
>running, hospitals open, schools in operation? Will anybody
A typical Armenian revisionist. As in the past in x-Soviet Armenia,
and today in Azerbaijan, for utopic and idiotic causes the Armenians
brought havoc to their neighbors. A short-sighted and misplaced
nationalistic fervor with a wrong agenda and anachronistic methods
the Armenians continue to become pernicious for the region. As usual,
they will be treated accordingly by their neighbors. Nagorno-Karabag
is a mountainous enclave that lies completely within Azerbaijan with
no border or history whatsoever connected to x-Soviet Armenia. Besides
the geographical aspect, Nagorno-Karabag is the historic homeland and
the 'cradle' of the artistic and literary heritage of Azerbaijan, which
renders the Armenian claims preposterous, even lunatic. No one in his or
her mind could have imagined that one day such a devious turn of event
could have plagued the Azeris. One cannot even imagine the reverse case
to occur, for the Armenians either would have slaughtered the Azerbaijanis,
or put them to forced exile to maintain their own majority. Where was she?
An Appeal to Mankind
During the last three years Azerbaijan and its multinational
population are vainly fighting for justice within the limits of
the Soviet Union. All humanitarian, constitutional human rights
guaranteed by the UN Charter, Universal Declaration of Human
Rights, Helsinki Agreements, Human Problems International Forums,
documents signed by the Soviet Union - all of them are violated.
The USSR's President, government bodies do not defend Azerbaijan
though they are all empowered to take necessary measures to
guarantee life and peace.
The 140,000 strong army of Armenian terrorists with Moscow's
tacit consent wages an undeclared war of annihilation against
Azerbaijan. As a result, a part of Azerbaijan has been occupied
and annexed, hundreds of people killed, thousands wounded.
Some 200,000 Azerbaijanis have been brutally and inhumanly
deported from the Armenian SSR, their historical homeland.
Together with them 64,000 Russians and 22,000 Kurds have also
been driven out, a part of them now settled in Azerbaijan.
Some 40,000 Turkish-Meskhetians, Lezghins and representatives
of other Caucasian nationalities who escaped from the Central
Asia where the President and government bodies did not guarantee
them the life and peace also suffered from these deportations.
One of the scandalous vandalisms directed not only against
Azerbaijan science but the world civilization as well is the
Armenian extremists' destruction of the Karabakh scientific
experimental base of The Institute of Genetics and Selection
of the Academy of Sciences of the Azerbaijan SSR.
We beg you for humanitarian help and political assistance,
for the honour and dignity of 7 million Azerbaijanis are
violated, its territory, culture and history are trampled,
its people are shot. There is persistent negative image of
Azerbaijanians abroad, and this defamation is spread over
the whole world by Soviet mass media, Armenian lobby in the
USSR and the United States.
One of the myths is that all events allegedly involves and
generated by interethnic collisions and religious intolerance
while the truth is that all these shootings and recent
events stem from the territorial claims of Armenia on
Azerbaijan.
It is a well documented fact that before the conflict there
were no frictions between Armenians and Azerbaijanis on the
issue of Karabakh. Hundreds and thousands Armenians placidly
and calmly lived and worked in Azerbaijan land, had their
representatives in all government bodies of the Azerbaijan
SSR.
We are for a united, indivisible, sovereign Azerbaijan, we
are for a common Caucasian home proclaimed in 1918 by one
of the founding fathers of the Azerbaijan Democratic
Republic - Muhammed Emin Rasulzade.
But all these goals and expectations are trampled upon the
Soviet leadership in favour of the Armenian expansionists
encouraged by Moscow and intended to create a new '1,000
Year Reich' - the 'Great Armenia' - by annexing the
neighboring lands.
The world public opinion shed tears to save the whales,
suffers for penguins dying out in the Antarctic Continent.
But what about the lives of seven million human beings?
If these people are Muslims, does it mean that they are
less valuable? Can people be discriminated by their
colour of skin or religion, by their residence or other
attributes?
All people are brothers, and we appeal to our brothers
for help and understanding. This is not the first appeal
of Azerbaijan to the world public opinion. Our previous
appeals were unheard. However, we still carry the hope
that the truth beyond the Russian and Armenian propaganda
will one day reveal the extent of our suffering and
stimulate at least as much help and compassion for
Azerbaijan as tendered to whales and penguins.
THE COMMITTEE FOR PEOPLE'S HELP TO
KARABAKH (OF THE) ACADEMY OF SCIENCES
OF THE AZERBAIJAN SSR
"PAINFUL SEARCH .."
THE GRUESOME extent of February's killings of Azeris by Armenians
in the town of Hojali is at last emerging in Azerbaijan - about
600 men, women and children dead in the worst outrage of the
four-year war over Nagorny Karabakh.
The figure is drawn from Azeri investigators, Hojali officials
and casualty lists published in the Baku press. Diplomats and aid
workers say the death toll is in line with their own estimates.
The 25 February attack on Hojali by Armenian forces was one of
the last moves in their four-year campaign to take full control
of Nagorny Karabakh, the subject of a new round of negotiations
in Rome on Monday. The bloodshed was something between a fighting
retreat and a massacre, but investigators say that most of the
dead were civilians. The awful number of people killed was first
suppressed by the fearful former Communist government in Baku.
Later it was blurred by Armenian denials and grief-stricken
Azerbaijan's wild and contradictory allegations of up to 2,000
dead.
The State Prosecuter, Aydin Rasulov, the cheif investigator of a
15-man team looking into what Azerbaijan calls the "Hojali
Disaster", said his figure of 600 people dead was a minimum on
preliminary findings. A similar estimate was given by Elman
Memmedov, the mayor of Hojali. An even higher one was printed in
the Baku newspaper Ordu in May - 479 dead people named and more
than 200 bodies reported unidentified. This figure of nearly 700
dead is quoted as official by Leila Yunusova, the new spokeswoman
of the Azeri Ministry of Defence.
FranCois Zen Ruffinen, head of delegation of the International
Red Cross in Baku, said the Muslim imam of the nearby city of
Agdam had reported a figure of 580 bodies received at his mosque
from Hojali, most of them civilians. "We did not count the
bodies. But the figure seems reasonable. It is no fantasy," Mr
Zen Ruffinen said. "We have some idea since we gave the body bags
and products to wash the dead."
Mr Rasulov endeavours to give an unemotional estimate of the
number of dead in the massacre. "Don't get worked up. It will
take several months to get a final figure," the 43-year-old
lawyer said at his small office.
Mr Rasulov knows about these things. It took him two years to
reach a firm conclusion that 131 people were killed and 714
wounded when Soviet troops and tanks crushed a nationalist
uprising in Baku in January 1990.
Those nationalists, the Popular Front, finally came to power
three weeks ago and are applying pressure to find out exactly
what happened when Hojali, an Azeri town which lies about 70
miles from the border with Armenia, fell to the Armenians.
Officially, 184 people have so far been certified as dead, being
the number of people that could be medically examined by the
republic's forensic department. "This is just a small percentage
of the dead," said Rafiq Youssifov, the republic's chief forensic
scientist. "They were the only bodies brought to us. Remember the
chaos and the fact that we are Muslims and have to wash and bury
our dead within 24 hours."
Of these 184 people, 51 were women, and 13 were children under 14
years old. Gunshots killed 151 people, shrapnel killed 20 and
axes or blunt instruments killed 10. Exposure in the highland
snows killed the last three. Thirty-three people showed signs of
deliberate mutilation, including ears, noses, breasts or penises
cut off and eyes gouged out, according to Professor Youssifov's
report. Those 184 bodies examined were less than a third of those
believed to have been killed, Mr Rasulov said.
Files from Mr Rasulov's investigative commission are still
disorganised - lists of 44 Azeri militiamen are dead here, six
policemen there, and in handwriting of a mosque attendant, the
names of 111 corpses brought to be washed in just one day. The
most heartbreaking account from 850 witnesses interviewed so far
comes from Towfiq Manafov, an Azeri investigator who took a
helicopter flight over the escape route from Hojali on 27
February.
"There were too many bodies of dead and wounded on the ground to
count properly: 470-500 in Hojali, 650-700 people by the stream
and the road and 85-100 visible around Nakhchivanik village," Mr
Manafov wrote in a statement countersigned by the helicopter
pilot.
"People waved up to us for help. We saw three dead children and
one two-year-old alive by one dead woman. The live one was
pulling at her arm for the mother to get up. We tried to land but
Armenians started a barrage against our helicopter and we had to
return."
There has been no consolidation of the lists and figures in
circulation because of the political upheavals of the last few
months and the fact that nobody knows exactly who was in Hojali
at the time - many inhabitants were displaced from other villages
taken over by Armenian forces.
THE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/'92
HEROES WHO FOUGHT ON AMID THE BODIES
AREF SADIKOV sat quietly in the shade of a cafe-bar on the
Caspian Sea esplanade of Baku and showed a line of stitches in
his trousers, torn by an Armenian bullet as he fled the town of
Hojali just over three months ago, writes Hugh Pope.
"I'm still wearing the same clothes, I don't have any others,"
the 51-year-old carpenter said, beginning his account of the
Hojali disaster. "I was wounded in five places, but I am lucky to
be alive."
Mr Sadikov and his wife were short of food, without electricity
for more than a month, and cut off from helicopter flights for 12
days. They sensed the Armenian noose was tightening around the
2,000 to 3,000 people left in the straggling Azeri town on the
edge of Karabakh.
"At about 11pm a bombardment started such as we had never heard
before, eight or nine kinds of weapons, artillery, heavy
machine-guns, the lot," Mr Sadikov said.
Soon neighbours were pouring down the street from the direction
of the attack. Some huddled in shelters but others started
fleeing the town, down a hill, through a stream and through the
snow into a forest on the other side.
To escape, the townspeople had to reach the Azeri town of Agdam
about 15 miles away. They thought they were going to make it,
until at about dawn they reached a bottleneck between the two
Armenian villages of Nakhchivanik and Saderak.
"None of my group was hurt up to then ... Then we were spotted by
a car on the road, and the Armenian outposts started opening
fire," Mr Sadikov said.
Azeri militiamen fighting their way out of Hojali rushed forward
to force open a corridor for the civilians, but their efforts
were mostly in vain. Mr Sadikov said only 10 people from his
group of 80 made it through, including his wife and militiaman
son. Seven of his immediate relations died, including his
67-year-old elder brother.
"I only had time to reach down and cover his face with his hat,"
he said, pulling his own big flat Turkish cap over his eyes. "We
have never got any of the bodies back."
The first groups were lucky to have the benefit of covering fire.
One hero of the evacuation, Alif Hajief, was shot dead as he
struggled to change a magazine while covering the third group's
crossing, Mr Sadikov said.
Another hero, Elman Memmedov, the mayor of Hojali, said he and
several others spent the whole day of 26 February in the bushy
hillside, surrounded by dead bodies as they tried to keep three
Armenian armoured personnel carriers at bay.
As the survivors staggered the last mile into Agdam, there was
little comfort in a town from which most of the population was
soon to flee.
"The night after we reached the town there was a big Armenian
rocket attack. Some people just kept going," Mr Sadikov said. "I
had to get to the hospital for treatment. I was in a bad way.
They even found a bullet in my sock."
Victims of war: An Azeri woman mourns her son, killed in the
Hojali massacre in February (left). Nurses struggle in primitive
conditions (centre) to save a wounded man in a makeshift
operating theatre set up in a train carriage. Grief-stricken
relatives in the town of Agdam (right) weep over the coffin of
another of the massacre victims. Calculating the final death toll
has been complicated because Muslims bury their dead within 24
hours.
Photographs: Liu Heung / AP
Frederique Lengaigne / Reuter
THE INDEPENDENT, London, 12/6/'92
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast
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Re: Gateway UART chip?
In article <spiroC4Bssw.Drq@netcom.com>, spiro@netcom.com (Philip N. Spiro) writes:
> George A. Theall (theall@gdalsrv.sas.upenn.edu) wrote:
> : In article <dickyjC4B7H8.BMt@netcom.com> dickyj@netcom.com (Dicky Johan) writes:
> : >It seems that there are using the 16450 UART chip in the
> : >machine. Is that the same as the 16550 UART chip, which has a 16-bytes
> : >buffer?
>
> : No, it's not. According to the sales critter I spoke with last week,
> : though, Gateway does use socketed chips. You should be able to find the
> : 16550AFN for about $15 and upgrade the chip yourself. Minor nuisance.
>
> For whatever it's worth, my GW salesman said that their 16450 would do
> 14.4kbps and was soldered to the board.
>
> Will someone with a recent GW pls settle this by inspection!
> --
> Phil
> -------------------------------------------
> Phil Spiro spiro@netcom.com 415-964-6647
MINE has a 16450 sodered right on the card. Why would you need the 16550
anyway? From what I've heard, when you're multitasking, its FIFO buffer keeps
you from loosing data. Is this right?
Bryan Luff
Math & Comp. Sci.
Cal. U. of PA
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Re: Battery Charger
In article <121765@netnews.upenn.edu> sanjay@kin.lap.upenn.edu (Sanjay Sinha) writes:
>
>I just noticed that my halogen table lamp runs off 12 Volts.
>The big thinngy that plugs into the wall says 12 Volts DC, 20mA
>
>The question is: Can I trickle charge the battery on my CB650
>with it?
You could, but it would be considerably cheaper to spend $8 or so on
a trickle charger from K-Mart, Venture, or Target, then it would be
to replace the halogen lamp power supply after you fuse it trying to
pump current into the battery...
While charging, the charger should be putting out around 14 or 15 volts
as well...
--
Jonathan E. Quist jeq@lachman.com Lachman Technology, Incorporated
DoD #094, KotPP, KotCF '71 CL450-K4 "Gleep" Naperville, IL
__ There's nothing quite like the pitter-patter of little feet,
\/ followed by the words "Daddy! Yay!"
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
Re: Americans and Evolution
Robert Singleton (bobs@thnext.mit.edu) wrote:
: > Sure it isn't mutually exclusive, but it lends weight to (i.e. increases
: > notional running estimates of the posterior probability of) the
: > atheist's pitch in the partition, and thus necessarily reduces the same
: > quantity in the theist's pitch. This is because the `divine component'
: > falls prey to Ockham's Razor, the phenomenon being satisfactorily
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: > explained without it, and there being no independent evidence of any
: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: > such component. More detail in the next post.
: >
Occam's Razor is not a law of nature, it is way of analyzing an
argument, even so, it interesting how often it's cited here and to
what end.
It seems odd that religion is simultaneously condemned as being
primitive, simple-minded and unscientific, anti-intellectual and
childish, and yet again condemned as being too complex (Occam's
razor), the scientific explanation of things being much more
straightforeward and, apparently, simpler. Which is it to be - which
is the "non-essential", and how do you know?
Considering that even scientists don't fully comprehend science due to
its complexity and diversity. Maybe William of Occam has performed a
lobotomy, kept the frontal lobe and thrown everything else away ...
This is all very confusing, I'm sure one of you will straighten me out
tough.
Bill
| 0alt.atheism
|
Re: Photogrammetric Camera
Hello,
While refurbishing our observatory I came across the above mentioned camera. It was manufactured
by the Instrument Corporation of Florida ~ 1970. Now for my questions:
1) Does anyone have any knowledge of this equipement ?
2) Does anyone know of the company (phone numbers ?) ?
3) Are there any others out there...I need some parts.
Any responces are greatly appreciated.
take care,
jamie
jf4527@adx.adelphi.edu
| 6misc.forsale
|
Clipper -- some new thoughts
I'd *desparately* prefer it if we didn't rehash the same arguments
that went on ad infinitum last time. That's especially true for
sci.crypt. For that matter, I've created alt.privacy.clipper, since
the traffic is appearing in *many* different groups right now.
I'm going to focus here on some technical aspects of the plan, hence my
followup to sci.crypt. Frankly, if you're not an absolutist, your
feelings may turn on some of these issues. For example -- with an
80-bit key, simply splitting it into two 40-bit pieces is much less
acceptable than other schemes, because it means that if just one
repository is, shall we say, overly pliable, a would-be eavesdropper
would need to recover just 40 more bits of key. I need not point out
in this newsgroup that that's pretty easy to do by exhaustive search.
A slightly more complex scheme -- XOR-ing the key with a random number,
and then with its complement -- would produce two 80-bit subkeys,
neither of which is useful alone. That variant is much more resistant
to attack. Clearly, one can get even more sophisticated, to protect
the subkeys even more.
Other thoughts... Some people have noted the size and complexity of
the databases necessary. But the id strings the phones emit could be
their back door key, double-encrypted with the escrow repositories'
public keys. For that matter, they could do that only with session
keys, and have no back door at all. In that case, the FBI would have
to bring every intercept to the repositories to be decrypted. This
would answer many of the objections along the lines of ``how do you
make sure they stop''.
We can even combine that with a variant of the digital telephony back
door -- have the switch do the tap, but with a digitally-signed record
of the time, phone number, etc, of the call. That provides proof to
the escrow agents that the tap was done in compliance with the terms of
the warrant.
I can suggest other variations, too. Suppose each Clipper chip had 100
public key pairs. Each would be used ~10 times, after which you'd need
more keying material. (Not a bad idea in any event.) This could be
used to enforce time limits, or rather, usage limits, on each warrant;
the keys the repository agents would deliver wouldn't last for very
long.
I suspect that the cryptographic algorithm itself is secure. Apart from
the obvious -- why push a weak algorithm when you've already got the
back door? -- I think that the government is still genuinely concerned
about foreign espionage, especially aimed at commercial targets. This
scheme lets the spooks have their cake and eat it, too. (I've heard
rumors, over the years, that some factions within NSA were unhappy with
DES because it was too good. Not that they couldn't crack it, but it
was much too expensive to do so as easily as they'd want.) They're keeping
the details secret so that others don't build their own implementations
without the back door.
The cryptographic protocol, though, is another matter. I see no valid
reasons for keeping it secret, and -- as I hope I've shown above -- there
are a lot of ways to do things that aren't (quite) as bad.
| 11sci.crypt
|
Re: Questions about insurance companies (esp. Geico)
Bob: Excellent! To the point and correct! Spread the word.
| 7rec.autos
|
Re: Jewish Baseball Players?
In article <15APR93.14691229.0062@lafibm.lafayette.edu> VB30@lafibm.lafayette.edu (VB30) writes:
>Just wondering. A friend and I were talking the other day, and
>we were (for some reason) trying to come up with names of Jewish
>maybe John Lowenstein.
Lowenstein is NOT Jewish. However, there is a long list including
Hank Greenberg, Moe Berg, Rod Carew (a convert), the Sherry brothers,
Art Shamsky, and Ron Blomberg.
Barry
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
Re: story
>lynn@pacesetter.com (Lynn E. Hall) writes:
>
>>allowed (yes, there is a God). No open containers on the street was the
>>signs in the bars. Yeah, RIGHT! The 20 or so cops on hand for the couple of
>>thousand of bikers in a 1 block main street were not citing anyone. The
>>street was filled with empty cans at least 2 feet deep in the gutter. The
>>crowd was raisin' hell - tittie shows everywhere. Can you say PARTY?
>
>
>And still we wonder why they stereotype us...
>
>-Erc.
Whacha mean 'we'...ifin they (whom ever 'they' are) want to stereotype me
as one that likes to drink beer and watch lovely ladies display their
beautiful bodies - I like that stereotype.
If you were refering 'stereotype' to infer a negative - you noticed we
didn't rape, pillage, or burn down the town. We also left mucho bucks as in
MONEY with the town. Me thinks the town LIKES us. Least they said so.
Lynn Hall - NOS Bros
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
WANNA SCAN 24-BIT COLR PICTURE?
My 24-bit color 600 dpi fladbed scanner can do the job for you. GIF, TIFF,
PCX, BMP. Interested? Please write to me: imagesyz@aol.com
| 1comp.graphics
|
Re: MORE LIAR'S PROFILES: Shostack, Freeman, & "Death"
In article <1993May10.160125.3179@colorado.edu> perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman) writes:
>>::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
>>
>>To Eric S. Perlman (perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU):
>>
>>Your posts make a good case study for an unashamed misanthrope.
>>Instead of attempting to enlightening Pinkas about the errors of his
>>ways, and EVEN after he politely asked you to continue the debate in
>>email, you persist in publicly lambasting him and labeling him a
>>hypocryte.
>
>Your posts, not mine, fit this description. What was the very first
>thing you did upon entering this newsgroup? Treat everyone who didn't
>agree with your opinions as dirt, not explain to them why, call them
>very rude names, twist words for flames... need I go on?
>
>I can defend myself quite well against Pinkas, thank you.
There is nothing you need to defend yourself against. As I said:
I just exchange ideas over the USENET with other people. I never
attacked you as to put you in the need to defend yourself against me.
I am not a violent person, and I do not see how can anyone be threatened
by the opinions and ideas of others as expressed on USENET.
I asked you to continue on email because I am not interested on a
flamefest, where you change my words or just make up some of your own
and present them as mine.
So, do not worry. You do not need to defend yourself because I am not
attacking you.
>Next time you try making such
>comments try some basic civility and you might get somewhere.
This is a good advice for yourself.
>
>'Nuff said.
>
>
>--
> Eric S. Perlman <perlman@qso.colorado.edu>
> Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
Alberto A. Pinkas
aap@wam.umd.edu
ap31@umail.umd.edu
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
Two-Line Orbital Element Set: Space Shuttle
The most current orbital elements from the NORAD two-line element sets are
carried on the Celestial BBS, (513) 427-0674, and are updated daily (when
possible). Documentation and tracking software are also available on this
system. As a service to the satellite user community, the most current
elements for the current shuttle mission are provided below. The Celestial
BBS may be accessed 24 hours/day at 300, 1200, 2400, 4800, or 9600 bps using
8 data bits, 1 stop bit, no parity.
Element sets (also updated daily), shuttle elements, and some documentation
and software are also available via anonymous ftp from archive.afit.af.mil
(129.92.1.66) in the directory pub/space.
STS 56
1 22621U 93 23 A 93105.06179397 .00044513 00000-0 12649-3 0 230
2 22621 57.0022 147.2850 0004246 288.7332 38.0941 15.92991629 1084
1993 023B
1 22623U 93 23 B 93103.37312705 .00041032 00000-0 11888-3 0 86
2 22623 57.0000 155.1150 0004422 293.4650 66.5967 15.92653917 803
--
Dr TS Kelso Assistant Professor of Space Operations
tkelso@afit.af.mil Air Force Institute of Technology
| 14sci.space
|
Re: Young Catchers
mss@netcom.com (Mark Singer) said:
>
>We know that very, very few players at this age make much of an impact
>in the bigs, especially when they haven't even played AAA ball.
Yes. But this is *irrelevant*. You're talking about averages, when we
have lots of information about THIS PLAYER IN PARTICULAR to base our
decisions on.
I might as well say "We know that very, very few people are more than 7 feet
tall, so chances are that Manute Bol is really only 6 foot 4."
>No. Maybe I need to improve my writing skills. Lopez, who is very
>ordinary defensively, is not likely to hit so well at age 22
>(having not played at AAA level) that it is probably not a good idea
>to rush him into the Braves lineup in 1993.
Why isn't Lopez likely to hit that well? He hit that well last year (after
adjusting his stats for park and league and such); he hit better (on an
absolute scale) than Olson or Berryhill did. By a lot.
As for rushing... If there really is a qualitative difference between the
minors and the majors that requires a period of adjustment (and I don't
believe there is), then wouldn't you rather waste Lopez's 22-year old good
season than his 23-year old very good season or his 24-year-old excellent
season? The sooner you get him acclimated, the more of his prime you get to
use.
>>Lopez was hitting .588 over 17 AB when he was cut from spring
>>training. What does he have to do to earn a chance? Maybe not a full
>>time job, but at least a couple starts and a few AB for him to prove
>>his worth?
>
>Gee. I don't know. 17 abs sounds pretty good to me! About as good
>as your reasoning that the kid should play a back-up role rather
>than start every day at AAA. Talk about *me* as a GM...
The point was not that 17 AB is a significant sample, but rather that he
hadn't done anything in spring training to cause even a blockhead manager
to question whether his minor league numbers were for real, or to send him
down "until he gets warmed up".
>OK. Most players are not ready for the bigs at age 22
Most players are *never* ready for the bigs. What does this have to do
with Javy Lopez?
>Most players
>benefit, rather than being stagnant or hurt, by playing at AAA.
See above.
>Most catchers need to be solid defensively players to help their
>clubs in the bigs. Those are the arguments against Lopez for the
>Braves for this year.
But I could apply the same reasoning to Frank Thomas or Barry Bonds. Most
players aren't that good, so they probably won't be that good this year
either.
>Now. The Braves have two catchers who have demonstrated solid
>abilities to call games, to work with the pitchers, to throw out
>runners.
And demonstrated inabilities to hit their way out of a soap bubble.
>Not superstars mind you, but solid, experienced veterans.
Not superstars, not stars, not even good players. Maybe average, if we're
being charitable.
>The Braves have a very solid lineup with two big bats in the
>outfield, an excellent platoon at first, a solid MVP candidate
>at third and one of the better hitting shortstops.
Ummm. Justice is a very fine hitter. Pendleton might have another big year
in his bat, but he might also spend the season in Hamstring Hell. Gant is a
big question mark. The Bream/Hunter platoon is decent (not excellent) and
has rotten OBP or SLG (depending on who's in). Blauser is a very valuable
bat... for a shortstop.
>The center
>field platoon will probably hit .300. However good Lopez'
>bat *might* be (given the above) it won't be so much better than
>what they have to offset the differential in experience and
>defensive ability.
Wanna bet? The difference between Lopez's bat and Olson/Berryhill could be
20 or 30 runs over the course of the season. Given a choice between a player
with experience and a player who can play, I'll take the latter every time.
>The kid *will* improve playing at AAA,
Just like Keith Mitchell did?
>I am just so surprised I have to spell all of this out. My
>goodness. Do you believe the other poster who thinks Lopez
>is being held down because of his future earning potential?
That was me, and you so far your only counter-proposal is that they
really don't understand how good Lopez is, or overvalue experience,
or some combination of the two. I think my interpretation was more
flattering to the organization.
>Are they idiots who have built this ballclub?
[Well-argued but inflammatory reply deleted.]
--
David M. Tate | (i do not know what it is about you that closes
posing as: | and opens; only something in me understands
e e (can | the pocket of your glove is deeper than Pete Rose's)
dy) cummings | nobody, not even Tim Raines, has such soft hands
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
Re: A Point for Helmet Law is a Point for
In article i8n@agate.berkeley.edu, manish@uclink.berkeley.edu (Manish Vij) writes:
>
>>Motorcycles are not allowed on th 17 mile drive at pebble Beach.
>
>what?
>
>are there posted signs?
>
>what do they cite you for?
They don't. It's a closed access road, you pay to get in (if you don't
have a resident sticker), and they simply don't open the gates if
you're on a bike.
---
Ed Green, former Ninjaite |I was drinking last night with a biker,
Ed.Green@East.Sun.COM |and I showed him a picture of you. I said,
DoD #0111 (919)460-8302 |"Go on, get to know her, you'll like her!"
(The Grateful Dead) --> |It seemed like the least I could do...
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
NASP
Could someone please send me the basics of the NASP project:
1. The proposal/objectives
2. The current status of the project/obstacles encountered
3. Chance that the project shall ever be completed
or any other interesting information about this project.
Any help will be much appreciated
--
Terry Ford [aa429@freenet.carleton.ca]
>House, Nepean, Ontario, Canada, Earth, Solar System, Milky Way, Cluster A21<
DISCALIMER: Any injuries occuring as a direct result from the reading of this
message INCLUDING HEART PALPITATIONS is not my fault in any shape or form.
| 14sci.space
|
Re: ATM
In article <1r1jq4$af5@network.ucsd.edu> adean@weber.ucsd.edu (Anthony V. Dean) writes:
>
>I've been reading, with much confusion, about whether or not to use
>ATManager. Lately, all the packages I've been buying have all
>included ATManager as a "bonus"
>I do some desktop publishing using PageMaker and Coreldraw.
>Coreldraw comes with a nifty laser disk that contains over 200 diff
>types. Add that to the TTfonts that come with win31 and you have a
>decent amount of fonts. I print my creations out on an HP4
>Postcript, at 600 dpi resolution with the "Resolution Enhancement
>Technology" and .. well ... I get some darn good copies.
>So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned
>on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these
>better printer technologies ... and TT?
ATM will do nothing for your TrueType fonts. If your TrueType fonts are
sufficient for your needs, don't run ATM. I have a lot of fonts that I can
install either as Type-1 PostScript (under ATM) or as TrueType. I have
noticed that:
1. TrueType font files are at least 1/3 larger than their Type-1
equivalents. If you are using a disk compressor, though, be aware
that TrueType fonts will compress, whereas Type-1 fonts will not
(they are encrypted).
2. With a 300 dpi laser printer, the "artificial bold" version of a
TrueType font is indistingishable from the original, forcing me to
install the actual bold (and bold-italic, etc.) variants if I want
to use them. Type-1 PostScript fonts under ATM generate a visually
distinct bold variant from the base font. I realize that the
artificial bold font that ATM generates is aesthetically inferior
to the hand-generated bold TrueType variant, but it is sufficient
for my needs, and not having to install bold variants saves me 50%
on disk space (uncompressed).
--
Bob Nichols
AT&T Bell Laboratories
rnichols@ihlpm.ih.att.com
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
Definition of Christianity?
I have enrolled in "The History of Christianity" at a college here in
St. Louis. The teacher of the class is what I consider to be
closed-minded and bigotted on the subject of what the definition of
Christianity is. His definition is tied directly to that of the
Trinity and the Catholic church's definition of it and belief in
Jesus Christ is not sufficient to call one's self a Christian.
While his saying it doesn't make it so, I nevertheless feel insulted
(or am I just neurotic? :^) ). I would like to be able to respond to
him with some sense of literacy while maintaining an amiable
student-teacher relationship.
So, is there common definition of what Christianity is? As the
previous discussion of the Trinity did not lend itself to an exchange
of flames, I am hopeful that this will also not produce major
flames.
Regards,
--
Larry Autry
Silicon Graphics, St. Louis
autry@sgi.com
[Often we get into discussions about who is Christian. Unfortunately
there are a number of possible definitions. Starting from the
broadest, commonly used definitions are:
a historical definition
people who accept Christ as Lord and savior
a broad doctrinal definition
narrow doctrinal definitions
1) By a historical definition I mean the sort of definition a secular
historian would likely use. This would include any group that
developed out of the Christian church, and continues within the same
broad culture. E.g. some Unitarians would fail just about any
doctrinal test you could come up with. Yet it's clear that that group
developed from Christianity, and people from very different
backgrounds (e.g. Hindus) would likely see them as part of
Christianity. This is not a definition most Christians like, but it's
relevant in some political and ethnic contexts.
2) Accepting Christ as Lord and savior is a test used by many
Christian groups for membership, e.g. the Southern Baptists and
Presbyterian Church (USA). I would qualify it by saying that what
most people have in mind is an exclusive commitment to Christ, so that
someone who accepted Christ as one of many gods would not fit. It's
an attempt to formulate a criterion that is religious but is not based
on technical doctrine. By this definition, groups such as Arians
would be viewed as heretical Christians, but still Christians. In the
modern context this would include Mormons, JW's, and "oneness
Pentecostals". They would be viewed as heretical Christians, but
still Christian. In practice I believe just about everyone who falls
into this category would accept the Apostle's Creed.
3) The next level is an attempt to give a broad doctrinal definition,
which includes all of the major strands of Christianity, but excludes
groups that are felt to be outside "historic Christianity." This is
of course a slippery enterprise, since Catholics could argue that
Protestants are outside historic Christianity, etc. But I think the
most commonly accepted definition would be based on something like the
Nicene Creed and the Formula of Chalcedon. The attempt is to
characterize doctrines that all major strands of Christianity agree
are key. Obviously this is to some extent a matter of judgement. A
Mormon will regard the LDS church as a major strand, and thus will not
want to include anything that contradicts their beliefs. But I think
this definition would have fairly broad acceptance.
4) Finally, some people use definitions that I would say are limited
to a specific Christian tradition. E.g. some evangelicals only
consider someone Christian if he has had an evangelical-style
conversion experience, and some I've even heard of groups that limit
it to their specific church.
I think you can find contexts where each of these definitions is used.
A lot is going to depend upon the purpose you're using it for. If
you're using it descriptively, e.g. in history or anthropology, you'll
probably use definition 1 or 2. If you're using it normatively, i.e.
to say what you believe the Christian message is, you'll probably use
a definition like 3 or even 4.
--clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
Re: ARMENIA SAYS IT COULD SHOOT DOWN TURKISH PLANES
>Armenia says it could shoot down Turkish planes
Armenia does not have pot to piss in it; let alone shooting
down modern war planes.
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
Re: Problem with R4 release
In article <MCGARY.93May12172612@mojo.intellection.com>, mcgary@intellection.com (Mike McGary) writes:
|> In article <1sr3klINNauq@news.u.washington.edu> pramod@stein.u.washington.edu (Pramod Mahadev) writes:
|>
|> > ld: Unidentified external symbol
|> > _get_wmShellWidgetclass
|> > _get_applicationshellwidgetclass
|> >
|> > I use -lXaw -lXmu -lXext -lX11 -lXt not in this order but in a proper order
|> >
|> > I am wondering if there has to be some changes in my link libraries or should
|> > i include some more libraries.
|> >
|> > ANy help in this matter will be very useful and highly appreciated
|> >
|>
|> We get this too. If you put -Bstatic into your options it goes away.
|> Things seem to run ok without it...must not be called very often.
From the FAQ:
Subject: 96)! What is this link problem with libXmu on SunOS 4.1.[23]?
In SunOS 4.1.2 Sun fixed a shared-library bug in ld which conflicts
with the way X builds the shared Xmu library, causing these symbols, notably,
to be undefined when building some X11 clients:
_get_wmShellWidgetClass
_get_applicationShellWidgetClass
Compiling "-Bstatic -lXmu -Bdynamic" appears to work.
To solve the problem if you are using OpenWindows 3.0 (X11R4-based Xt), please
contact your local Sun office and request the following patches:
Patch i.d. Description
100512-02 4.1.x OpenWindows 3.0 libXt Jumbo patch
100573-03 4.1.x OpenWindows 3.0 undefined symbols when using
shared libXmu
[Greg Earle, earle@Sun.COM; 7/92]
A source patch for use with the MIT X11R4 libraries was developed by Conrad
Kimball (cek@sdc.boeing.com); it retrofits into R4 some fixes made in R5 to
get around this problem. The patch is on export in [1/93]
contrib/X11R4_sunos4.1.2_patch_version3.Z
--
Conrad Kimball | Client Server Tech Services, Boeing Computer Services
cek@sdc.cs.boeing.com | P.O. Box 24346, MS 7A-35
(206) 865-6410 | Seattle, WA 98124-0346
| 5comp.windows.x
|
Re: Christian Morality is
On 20 Apr 93 13:38:34 GMT dps@nasa.kodak.com (Dan Schaertel,,,) wrote:
>In article 11853@vice.ICO.TEK.COM, bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:
>|>
>|> Yet I am still not a believer. Is god not concerned with my
>|> disposition? Why is it beneath him to provide me with the
>|> evidence I would require to believe? The evidence that my
>|> personality, given to me by this god, would find compelling?
>The fact is God could cause you to believe anything He wants you to.
>But think about it for a minute. Would you rather have someone love
>you because you made them love you, or because they wanted to
>love you. The responsibility is on you to love God and take a step toward
>Him. He promises to be there for you, but you have to look for yourself.
>Those who doubt this or dispute it have not givin it a sincere effort.
I and many others on a.a have described how we have tried to find god.
Are you saying our efforts have not been sincere? For all the effort
I have put in, there has been no outward nor inward change that I can
perceive. What's a sincerely searching Agnostic or Atheist supposed to
do when even the search turns up nothing?
>Simple logic arguments are folly. If you read the Bible you will see
>that Jesus made fools of those who tried to trick him with "logic".
>Our ability to reason is just a spec of creation. Yet some think it is
>the ultimate. If you rely simply on your reason then you will never
>know more than you do now. To learn you must accept that which
>you don't know.
How do you "accept that which you don't know"? Do you mean that I must
believe in your god in order to believe in your god?
--
Mike McAngus | The Truth is still the Truth
mam@mouse.cmhnet.org | Even if you choose to ignore it.
|
(Some of the old .sig viruses are still the best)
| 0alt.atheism
|
Automated X testing
Does anyone know what is available in terms of automated testing
of X/Motif applications. I am thinking of a system which I could
program (or which could record events/output) with our verification
test procedures and then run/rerun each time we do regression
testing. I am interested in a product like this for our UNIX
projects and for a separate project which will be using OpenVMS.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Mark D. Collier Southwest Research Institute
Senior Research Analyst Automation and Data Systems Division
Voice: (512) 522-3437 Data Systems Department
FAX: (512) 522-5499 Software Engineering Section
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| 5comp.windows.x
|
Re: Europe vs. Muslim Bosnians
In article <1993May15.122701.24007@husc3.harvard.edu> stojanov@husc11.harvard.edu (Milan Stojanovic) writes:
>In article <1su90eINNocq@mojo.eng.umd.edu> josip@eng.umd.edu (Josip Loncaric) writes:
>>
>>The annihilation of Islam ("Turks") is an older Serbian agenda.
>
> Indeed, so was annihilation of Germans during WWII. However, it is
> important to quote Adil Zuflikarpasic in his interview to "Duga":
>
> "Had Serbs wanted to exterminate Muslims, they could have done it
> after the WWI, when they were the most loved small nation in
> Europe."
>
> Serbs did not do that, although they supressed some rebellions
> by Albanian Muslims and Bosnian Muslims quite bloodily. However,
This is quite a misrepresentation. After WWI, many Bosnian Muslims were
killed and their land taken over by Serbs, and the motive was plunder,
not some fictitious "supression of rebellion." Even earlier, one can
point to the destruction of mosques in Serbia itself and expulsion of
Muslims. Here is what Dr. Vaso Cubrilovic, political adviser to the
Serbian monarchic regime, says in his memorandum "The Expulsion of the
Arnauts" which he presented to the royal government of Stojadinovic
on March 7, 1937, in Belgrade:
The Mode of Removal
-------------------
[ describes how expulsion of ethnic Albanians from Kosova is to proceed
through state terror and "private initiative", i.e. Chetnik plunder: ]
Private initiative, too, can assist greatly in this direction. We should
distribute weapons to our colonists, as need be. The old forms of Chetnik
action should be organized and secretly assisted. [...]
...the whole affair should be presented as a conflict between clans and,
if need be, ascribed to economic reasons. Finally, local riots can be
incited. These will be bloodily suppressed with the clans and the
Chetniks, rather than the army.
There remains one more means, WHICH SERBIA EMPLOYED WITH GREAT PRACTICAL
EFFECT AFTER 1878, that is, by secretly burning down Albanian villages
and city quarters.
(Emphasis above is mine.) These events in Serbia itself forced out virtually
all Muslims during late 19th century. This policy of state terrorism
against Muslims, aided by Chetnik "private initiative," has continued in WWII
and today. For example, Muhamed Hadzijahic in his book "Od tradicije do
identiteta: Geneza nacionalnog pitanja bosanskih Muslimana" (Sarajevo:
Svjetlost, 1974) writes (pg. 235) how Serbs killed a Muslim in Foca
in WWII even though he claimed to be a Serbian patriot, explaining
their action as follows:
"Inasmuch as you were a Serb, you sullied the Serb name, because you
are a Turk [i.e. Muslim]. And since you helped us, we shall not
torture you."
so the shot him instead of cutting his throat. In the past year, Serbs
have repeated the slaughter of Muslim residents of Foca. Destruction
of mosques, including priceless historical monuments, completes the
eradication of the Muslim presence from territories claimed by Serbs.
>>I strongly dispute your notion that Croats had a similar older agenda,
>>in fact, for the past century or two, Croats and Muslims have seen
>>themselves as having a lot in common, and they generally had friendly
>>relations. Your suggestion that Croat-Muslim relationship is
>>anything like Serb-Muslim relationship is completely wrong.
>>
>>To say that Croats and Muslims have a lot in common does not imply
>>they are not separate peoples. ....
>
> How touching. I have nearly cried while I read this. Unfortunately,
> mostly untrue.
Which part do you claim is untrue? Explain yourself, or withdraw your claim.
> Croats from Croatia mostly had no contacts with Muslims, since they
> were mostly "dealt with extreme preudice" long time ago. However
> one of the main agendas is turning Bosnia into purely Catholic state.
Croatia never had many Muslim citizens for historical reasons, because it
was not a part of the Ottoman Empire. The last major battles between
Austro-Hungarian monarchy and the Ottoman Empire in Croatia were at the
end of the 17th century. Need I remind you that modern Croatian nationalism
came into being with Dr. Ante Starcevic, who saw Bosnian Muslims as the
best Croats, so much so that in 1853 he contemplated moving his operations
to Sarajevo? You are confusing clericalist Croatianism with Croatian
nationalism here. Political nationalism has always been stronger. As
for your other theories, you are clearly overjoyed that Croat-Muslim
alliance in Bosnia-Herzegovina is now in trouble. Arguments such as
yours are clearly intended to create and deepen this split.
> I should add few more things. A.J. Evans, in his "On Foot Through
> B&H" describes that Catholic clergy in the last century was
> apparently more scared by Serbs, then by Turks, because Serbs were
> growing stronger and, unlike Turks, represented great danger for
> idea of Catholic Bosnia. President Tudjman clearly states in
> his book that Muslims do not exist as a separate nation from
> Croats and Serbs, and he many times suggested, even in interviewes to
> foreign papers, that solution is to split Bosnia.
>
> Josip knows this and he is only working on the image of Croatia.
In international relations 101 you'll learn that unless weak unite to
counterbalance the strong player, soon they are taken over and that's the
end of them. Balance of power thinking has brought together Croats
and Bosnian Muslims. This is only natural; all other alignments are
unstable. I'm working on pointing out this basic fact: Croats and
Muslims have been aware of it for as long as Serbia has existed.
You are wrong if you think only "image" is at stake here. Croatia has
a deep interest in her alliance with Bosnian Muslims, and vice versa.
I think Tudjman understands this, although he does not have much choice
at this point. Tensions should have been defused better earlier, before
any open confrontation developed. Although I still think Croatia will
survive, it will lose a lot; but Bosnian Muslims may end up even worse
off. However, their position now is so horrible that perhaps they do not
see it getting any worse. The key point is: do they still have any hope left?
If not, then all bets are off.
Mr. Stojanovic is clearly very, very happy about this. I'm deeply hurt.
This is not about some "image" but about survival of a concept of a
partnership which I believe is natural and essential for both Croats
and Muslims.
Sigh...
Josip
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
Re: Traffic morons
In article <Stafford-200493133025@stafford.winona.msus.edu> Stafford@Vax2.Winona.MSUS.Edu (John Stafford) writes:
>In article <C5sHD0.LH6@athena.cs.uga.edu>, ahatcher@athena.cs.uga.edu
>(Allan Hatcher) wrote:
>>
>
>> You can't make a Citizens arrest on anything but a felony.
>
> I'm not sure that's true. Let me rephrase; "You can file a complaint
> which will bring the person into court." As I understand it, a
> "citizens arrest" does not have to be the physical detention of
> the person.
I think we just found the difference between a citizens arrest (physical
detention of a suspect) and a report/warrant.
>
> Better now?
>
>====================================================
>John Stafford Minnesota State University @ Winona
> All standard disclaimers apply.
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
Re: Countersteering_FAQ please post
leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:
>mjs@sys.uea.ac.uk (Mike Sixsmith) writes:
>mjs>Also, IMHO, telling newbies about countersteering is, er, counter-productive
>mjs>cos it just confuses them. I rode around quite happily for 10 years
>mjs>knowing nothing about countersteering. I cannot say I ride any differently
>mjs>now that I know about it.
>I interpret this to mean that you're representative of every other
>motorcyclist in the world, eh Mike? Rather presumptive of you!
IMHO = in my humble opinion!!
>leavitt@cs.umd.edu (Mr. Bill) writes:
>leavitt>The time to learn countersteering techniques is when you are first
>leavitt>starting to learn, before you develop any bad habits. I rode for
>leavitt>five years before taking my first course (MSF ERC) and learning
>leavitt>about how to countersteer. It's now eight years later, and I *still*
>leavitt>have to consciously tell myself "Don't steer, COUNTERsteer!" Old
>leavitt>habits die hard, and bad habits even harder.
>mjs>Sorry Bill, but this is complete bollocks. You learned how to countersteer
>mjs>the first time you rode the bike, it's natural and intuitive.
>Sorry Mike, I'm not going to kick over the "can you _not_ countersteer
>over 5mph?" stone. That one's been kicked around enough. For the sake of
>argument, I'll concede that it's countersteering (sake of argument only).
>mjs>MSF did not teach you *how* to countersteer, it only told you what
>mjs>you were already doing.
>And there's no value in that?
I didn't say there was no value - all I said was that it is very confusing
to newbies.
> There's a BIG difference in: 1) knowing
>what's happening and how to make it do it, especially in the extreme
>case of an emergency swerve, and: 2) just letting the bike do whatever
>it does to make itself turn. Once I knew precisely what was happening
>and how to make it do it abruptly and on command, my emergency avoidance
>abilities improved tenfold, not to mention a big improvement in my normal
>cornering ability. I am much more proficient "knowing" how to countersteer
>the motorcycle rather than letting the motorcycle steer itself. That is,
>when I *remember* to take cognitive command of the bike rather than letting
>it run itself through the corners. Whereupon I return to my original
>comment - better to learn what's happening right from the start and how
>to take charge of it, rather than developing the bad habit of merely going
>along for the ride.
Bill, you are kidding yourself here. Firstly, motorcycles do not steer
themselves - only the rider can do that. Secondly, it is the adhesion of the
tyre on the road, the suspension geometry and the ground clearance of the
motorcycle which dictate how quickly you can swerve to avoid obstacles, and
not the knowledge of physics between the rider's ears. Are you seriously
suggesting that countersteering knowledge enables you to corner faster
or more competentlY than you could manage otherwise??
>Mike, I'm extremely gratified for you that you have such a natural
>affinity and prowess for motorcycling that formal training was a total
>waste of time for you (assuming your total "training" hasn't come from
>simply from reading rec.motorcycles). However, 90%+ of the motorcyclists
>I've discussed formal rider education with have regarded the experience
>as overwhelmingly positive. This regardless of the amount of experience
>they brought into the course (ranging from 10 minutes to 10+ years).
Formal training in this country (as far as I am aware) does not include
countersteering theory. I found out about countersteering about six years ago,
from a physics lecturer who was also a motorcyclist. I didn't believe him
at first when he said I steered my bike to the right to make it turn left,
but I went out and analysed closely what I was doing, and realized he was
right! It's an interesting bit of knowledge, and I've had a lot of fun since
then telling others about it, who were at first as sceptical as I was. But
that's all it is - an interesting bit of knowledge, and to claim that
it is essential for all bikers to know it, or that you can corner faster
or better as a result, is absurd.
Formal training is in my view absolutely essential if you're going to
be able to ride a bike properly and safely. But by including countersteering
theory in newbie courses we are confusing people unnecessarily, right at
the time when there are *far* more important matters for them to learn.
And that was my original point.
Mike
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
Re: This year's biggest and worst (opinion)...
I can only comment on the Kings, but the most obvious candidate for pleasant
surprise is Alex Zhitnik. He came highly touted as a defensive defenseman, but
he's clearly much more than that. Great skater and hard shot (though wish he
were more accurate). In fact, he pretty much allowed the Kings to trade away
that huge defensive liability Paul Coffey. Kelly Hrudey is only the biggest
disappointment if you thought he was any good to begin with. But, at best, he's
only a mediocre goaltender. A better choice would be Tomas Sandstrom, though
not through any fault of his own, but because some thugs in Toronto decided
to threaten his career in order to avoid conceding a goal. Other than that, the
award goes to Robert Lang, an uninspiring Czech. Robitaille could easily be
MVP, but I'd prefer to give it to Rob Blake who is quietly becoming one of the
league's premier defensemen, and if the Kings manage to hold onto him and the
rest of our young defense, it could one day mean that we'll let in fewer
goals than Hartford. Honorable mentions to Majestic Marty and Warren Rychel.
Jon
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
Daily Verse
How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather
than silver!
Proverbs 16:16
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
4SALE: 486 Localbus MB w/CPU, Weitek, ET4k video, IDE, etc.
CAD Setup For Sale:
G486PLB Local Bus Motherboard
Can use up to 32MB of SIMMS (256k/1M/4M)
9 expansion slots (8 16-bit slots, 1 32-bit slot)
Weitek 4167 co-processor socket
33 Mhz Intel CPU
33 Mhz Weitek 4167 Math Co-processor
G-Host4000 Local Bus ET4000 Video Card
Based on Tseng Labs' ET4000 chip design
Supports resolutions up to 1280x1024 interlaced or non-interlaced
Uses RAMDAC to allow up to 32k colors in 800x600, 65k colors in 640x480
Register level compatible with CGA, EGA, VGA, MDA
Software drivers available for 1-2-3, Symphony, Autocad, Autoshade,
Windows, Wordperfect, VESA and 8514/A Emulation
also contained on the card:
Local Bus IDE controller
Floppy Disk controller
Two fully configuarable serial ports
1 Parallel port
1 Game port
I used this setup to run AutoCad and 3D Studio. The combination of
Local Bus and the Weitek co-processor made for VERY fast CAD and modeling
work. The Weitek coprocessor can cut 3D Studio render times in half and
sometimes more. It also increases redraws and regens when modeling in
both 3D Studio and Autocad. Everything is less than a year old. I am
asking $950.00 + shipping for the whole package. Please respond via email.
Thanks.
- Jason Tobias
jtobias@photon.tamu.edu
| 6misc.forsale
|
Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
From article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU>, by ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi"):
> This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
> Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
> throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five
> cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly
> a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
> in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she
> made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
> doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
>
> What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I
> can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
> 20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low??
>
> Erik velapold
Yes
!!!!
!
| 7rec.autos
|
Re: Waco, they did it. ( MASADA )
In article <C5rtLJ.Aqz@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, wwarf@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Wayne J. Warf) writes:
> I can't see these people standing calmly around while they burned to
> death. Sorry. I just can't see them choosing a death as horrible as
> this. The story doesn't wash. It'll take some convincing to get me
> to believe it. The FBI said today that Koresh had earlier intended
> to strap himself with explosives, come over to the FBI agents and
> detonate, but lost his nerve. He lost his nerve for a quick, clean
> death but not to roasted alive? Sorry, don't believe it, even if he
> was nutty as a fruitcake.
On Ted Koppel last night, the ubiquitous Australian woman claimed that
Koresh trained the women (years ago) how to commit suicide by swallowing
cyanide or by putting a gun in their mouth. With cyanide on hand, why
choose to roast yourself? There are too many unanswered questions here.
--
cdt@rocket.sw.stratus.com --If you believe that I speak for my company,
OR cdt@vos.stratus.com write today for my special Investors' Packet...
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
Re: Why is my mouse so JUMPY? (MS MOUSE)
In article <C638zs.pr@cs.vu.nl> wlieftin@cs.vu.nl (Liefting W) writes:
>ecktons@ucs.byu.edu (Sean Eckton) writes:
>
>>I have a Microsoft Serial Mouse and am using mouse.com 8.00 (was using 8.20
>>I think, but switched to 8.00 to see if it was any better). Vertical motion
>>is nice and smooth, but horizontal motion is so bad I sometimes can't click
>>on something because my mouse jumps around. I can be moving the mouse to
>>the right with relatively uniform motion and the mouse will move smoothly
>>for a bit, then jump to the right, then move smoothly for a bit then jump
>>again (maybe this time to the left about .5 inch!). This is crazy! I have
>>never had so much trouble with a mouse before. Anyone have any solutions?
>
>>Does Microsoft think they are what everyone should be? <- just venting steam!
>
>I think I have the same problem. I think it is caused by the rubber ball
>in the mouse, which doesn't roll so smooth. The detectors in the mouse
>notice this and whoops, I hit a mine (using minesweeper :-) ).
>
>I think the solution will be buying a new mouse, and/or using a mouse pad.
>
>Wouter.
And/or taking the rubber ball out of the mouse (should be directions
in the manual or on the bottom of the mouse) and cleaning it with
alcohol (isopropyl, I believe - the same alcohol as used for cleaning
your cassette deck). This is good to do every so often, even if you
have a mouse pad. Dust still gets caught in the mouse and on the
rubber ball. As well, lint and other garbage may find it's way onto
the rubber ball and get into the mouse damaging the horizontal and
vertical sensors.
Hope this helps. Good luck.
--
Sincerely,
Robert Kayman ---- kayman@cs.stanford.edu -or- cpa@cs.stanford.edu
"In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not."
"You mean you want the revised revision of the original revised revision
revised?!?!"
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
Re: Krypto cables (was Re: Cobra Locks)
Hi.
I'm not sure what the other guy (can't track down his post for his name)
was talking about when he made the claim that cobralinks are not adjustable.
They are. There's a space between each link where the "teeth" of the
locking head notch in. Thus, each link is a possible locking point.
Also, (and this is not applicable to hard-core thieves who cart around
liquid nitrogen and oxy-acetylene torches) the cobralinks "LOOK" a lot
more effective than kryptonite cable locks (IMHO) and I think the initial
appearance effect is more relevant to bored-joyriders-nominally-adept-at-
cracking-unsecured-bike deterrence, as long as the lock is nominally
functional.
Finally, I notice that when I ride with my leathers, harness boots, and
the cobralinks slung across like a bandolier (BTW, I've crashed in the rain
dressed like this and the lock didn't pulverize any vertebrae), cagers give
me a much wider berth, don't hassle me, and tend to avoid any potentially
inflammatory action at stoplights.
I love my cobralinks almost as much as I love my pre-80's Honda dinosaur.
(I think I have a pavlovian drool reflex-I put the lock on (i.e., on my
body) and I can feel the bike already shaking away).
My first post. What did I do wrong :)?
sang
DoD #0846
'80 CX500
p.s. any other CX500 owners out there? Please e-mail me. Got
questions about the weird handling on my bike.
--
The opinions expressed are not necessarily those of the University of
North Carolina at Chapel Hill, the Campus Office for Information
Technology, or the Experimental Bulletin Board Service.
internet: laUNChpad.unc.edu or 152.2.22.80
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
Re: Supply Side Economic Policy (was Re: David Stockman )
In article <Ufk_Gqu00WBKE7cX5V@andrew.cmu.edu>, Ashish Arora <ashish+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> Excerpts from netnews.sci.econ: 5-Apr-93 Re: Supply Side Economic Po..
> by Not a Boomer@desire.wrig
> [...]
>
>> The deficits declined from 84-9, reaching a low of 2.9% of GNP before
>> the tax and spending hike of 1990 reversed the trend.
>>
>> Brett
> Is this true ? Some more details would be appreciated.
In billions of dollars (%GNP):
year GNP receipts outlays deficit debt unempl% admin
==== ==== =========== ============ ========= ====== ======= =======
1977 1930 355.6 (18.4) 409.2 (21.2) 53.6 (2.8) 709.1 Carter
1978 2174 399.6 (18.4) 458.7 (21.1) 59.2 (2.7) 780.4 Carter
1979 2444 463.3 (19.0) 503.5 (20.6) 40.2 (1.6) 833.8 Carter
1980 2674 517.1 (19.3) 590.9 (22.1) 73.8 (2.8) 914.3 7.9 Carter
1981 2986 599.3 (20.1) 678.2 (22.7) 78.9 (2.6) 1003.9 8.4 Reagan
1982 3130 617.8 (19.7) 745.7 (23.8) 127.9 (4.1) 1147.0 11.0 Reagan
1983 3325 600.6 (18.1) 808.3 (24.3) 207.8 (6.2) 1381.9 10.9 Reagan
1984 3688 666.5 (18.1) 851.8 (23.1) 185.3 (5.0) 1576.7 8.6 Reagan
1985 3958 734.1 (18.5) 946.3 (23.9) 212.3 (5.4) 1827.5 8.1 Reagan
1986 4177 769.1 (18.4) 989.8 (23.7) 220.7 (5.3) 2129.5 7.9 Reagan
1987 4442 854.1 (19.2) 1002.1 (22.6) 148.0 (3.4) 2354.3 7.1 Reagan
1988 4771 909.0 (19.1) 1064.1 (22.3) 155.1 (3.2) 2614.6 6.3 Reagan
1989 5201 990.8 (19.0) 1142.8 (22.0) 152.0 (2.9) 2881.1 Bush
1990 1031.2 1251.6 220.4 3190.5 Bush
1991 1054.3 1323.0 268.7 3599.0 Bush
[Source: Statistical Abstract of the US (1990 version), American Almanac
(1993 version), Universal Almanac (1993 version), Information Please Almanac
(1991 version)]
GRAPHICALLY: Deficits as a % of GNP, 1981-89
% GNP
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|____________________________________________________________________________
0 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986 1987 1988 1989
Ironically, Bush could have frozen spending, kept his "no new taxes"
pledge and balanced the budget.
Brett
________________________________________________________________________________
"There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an
intellectual conviction." Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert.
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
Re: Is it good that Jesus died?
In article <1993Apr26.215627.24917@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615) writes:
>A baby's innocence has nothing to do with whether the baby
>is a sinner. Innocence and the sin nature are two different attributes.
>The baby is innocent, yet the baby is a sinner.
>You have two arms and two legs? Why? Because your parents did.
>Why? Because their parents did. Etc. Did you do anything to get them?
The thing is, I know what arms and legs are. It's therefore generally easy to
tell whether or not someone has arms and legs. This "sinful nature", since it
does not require that the baby actually perform any sins, seems to be totally
invisible. As far as I know, maybe half the babies have a sinful nature and
half don't--it'd look exactly the same, since there is no way to tell the
difference.
>We are born sinners. We are born sinners because our parents
>were born with it. We got it from them. We did nothing to earn
>the title "sinner". We get it because our parents had it, their
>parents had it, their grandparents had it, etc, infinitum.
So what's so bad about a sinful nature, then? I could understand it being
bad if it always results in people committing sins, but babies can have it,
never commit sins, die, and they still have it. So the bad part about can't
merely be that it results in people committing sins--so what _is_ bad about it?
--
"On the first day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Leftover Turkey!
On the second day after Christmas my truelove served to me... Turkey Casserole
that she made from Leftover Turkey.
[days 3-4 deleted] ... Flaming Turkey Wings! ...
-- Pizza Hut commercial (and M*tlu/A*gic bait)
Ken Arromdee (arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu)
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
Looking for Address of Noise Cancellation Tech.
I am new to this newsgroup so I apologise if this is not the appropriate
forum to ask this question. I am looking for the address of Noise Cancellation
Technologies. It is rather important. So if you can help me in this regard,
please do. Thank you.
-- Rosli
Khairon@aludra.usc.edu
| 12sci.electronics
|
Dealer cheated me with wrong odometer reading. Need help!
Here is a story. I bought a car about two weeks ago. I finally can
get hold of the previous owner of the car and got all maintanence
history of the car. In between '91 and '92, the instrument pannel
of the car has been replaced and the odometer also has been reset
to zero. Therefore, the true meter reading is the reading before
replacement plus current mileage. That shows 35000 mile difference
comparing to the mileage on the odometer disclosure from. The
dealer never told me anything about that important story.
I hope that I can return the car with full refund. Do u think this
is possible? Does anyone have similar experiences? Any comments
will be appreciated. Thanks.
yongje@u.washington.edu
| 7rec.autos
|
SyQuest internal 44 drive with 8 cartridges: sale or trade
This drive is less than one year old. The cartridges have all been bought
since then. All is in excellent condition and still under warranty.
Due to a change in system use, I now need a large, contiguous drive.
Offer includes:
SyDos 44i internal drive
SCSI adapter card and cables
All original documentation
Software
All original packaging
8 cartridges totalling over 350Mb (no bad sectors or defects)
The installation was a breeze on my 386 clone.
I will trade for something near 300Mb IDE, or sell for $450.
I will also consider trading for 4 4Mx9 30 pin SIMMs at 70ns.
--
Walter G. Seefeld | By the dawn's early light,
940 N. Jackson St. #1A | By all I know is right,
Starkville, MS 39759 | We're going to reap what we have sown.
N5QXR | -Jackson Brown
| 6misc.forsale
|
Re: ALT.SEX.STORIES under Literary Critical Analy
In <sandvik-170493170457@sandvik-kent.apple.com> sandvik@newton.apple.com writes:
> In article <1qevbh$h7v@agate.berkeley.edu>, dzkriz@ocf.berkeley.edu (Dennis
> Kriz) wrote:
> > I'm going to try to do something here, that perhaps many would
> > not have thought even possible. I want to begin the process of
> > initiating a literary critical study of the pornography posted on
> > alt.sex.stories, to identify the major themes and motifs present
> > in the stories posted there -- opening up then the possibility of
> > an objective moral evaluation of the material present there.
>
> Dennis, I'm astounded. I didn't know you were interested to even
> study such filth as alt.sex.stories provide...
>
> Cheers,
> Kent
> ---
> sandvik@newton.apple.com. ALink: KSAND -- Private activities on the net.
"Finally, brethern, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is
right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute,
if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, let your
mind dwell on these things." Phil. 4:8.
More cheers,
John
Nunnally@acs.Harding.edu
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
Re: ABC coverage
In article <116084@bu.edu> icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes:
>
> I loved the ABC coverage. The production was excellent. The appearance
Antonio,you weren't alone.
ABC ratings were very good. I was schocked to hear that ABC's telecast
was the fifth most watched sporting event over the weekend. National
rating came out to a very respectable 3.3. Top-29 Nielsen markets were
at 2.9. In Boston,the game scored lower at 2.4 but it had some competion
from local sports teams.
Quite frankly, I expected ABC's ratings to be under 2.0. But I'm happy
to be proven wrong!
Well,well...Sometimes it pays off clicking away on your cable-tv remote
control.:-) And if you happen to be a hockey fan,you could just stumble
upon a playoff hockey game...
ESPN picked up Detroit-Toronto game on Monday night because the only
night game in MLB was being rained out in Chicago. You have to give
ESPN credit for switching to Detroit's FOX-50 coverage and having Bill
Clement at a Pittsburgh's TV station(WATE?) for intermission analysis.
Maybe,ESPN people were giddy over perliminary over-night ABC ratings
for Sunday's telecast and thought it was a good idea to feature the
Norris division showdown rather than a monster truck competion.
Good move,ESPN!
-PPV Mark
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
Re: Political Atheists?
mmwang@adobe.com (Michael Wang) writes:
>I was looking for a rigorous definition because otherwise we would be
>spending the rest of our lives arguing what a "Christian" really
>believes.
I don't think we need to argue about this.
>KS>Do you think that the motto points out that this country is proud
>KS>of its freedom of religion, and that this is something that
>KS>distinguishes us from many other countries?
>MW>No.
>KS>Well, your opinion is not shared by most people, I gather.
>Perhaps not, but that is because those seeking to make government
>recognize Christianity as the dominant religion in this country do not
>think they are infringing on the rights of others who do not share
>their beliefs.
Yes, but also many people who are not trying to make government recognize
Christianity as the dominant religion in this country do no think
the motto infringes upon the rights of others who do not share their
beliefs.
And actually, I think that the government already does recognize that
Christianity is the dominant religion in this country. I mean, it is.
Don't you realize/recognize this?
This isn't to say that we are supposed to believe the teachings of
Christianity, just that most people do.
>Like I've said before I personally don't think the motto is a major
>concern.
If you agree with me, then what are we discussing?
>KS>Since most people don't seem to associate Christmas with Jesus much
>KS>anymore, I don't see what the problem is.
>Can you prove your assertion that most people in the U.S. don't
>associate Christmas with Jesus anymore?
No, but I hear quite a bit about Christmas, and little if anything about
Jesus. Wouldn't this figure be more prominent if the holiday were really
associated to a high degree with him? Or are you saying that the
association with Jesus is on a personal level, and that everyone thinks
about it but just never talks about it?
That is, can *you* prove that most people *do* associate Christmas
most importantly with Jesus?
>Anyways, the point again is that there are people who do associate
>Christmas with Jesus. It doesn't matter if these people are a majority
>or not.
I think the numbers *do* matter. It takes a majority, or at least a
majority of those in power, to discriminate. Doesn't it?
keith
| 0alt.atheism
|
NHL Summary parse results for games played Fri, April 16, 1993
Philadelphia 1 1 2 1--5
Hartford 1 2 1 0--4
First period
1, Hartford, Nylander 10 (unassisted) 8:51.
2, Philadelphia, Recchi 53 (Lindros, Brind'Amour) pp, 19:59.
Second period
3, Hartford, Burt 6 (Cunneyworth, Kron) 2:00.
4, Philadelphia, Bowen 1 (Eklund, Recchi) 7:09.
5, Hartford, Nylander 11 (Zalapski, Sanderson) 9:38.
Third period
6, Hartford, Kron 14 (Sanderson, Cassels) pp, 1:24.
7, Philadelphia, Beranek 15 (Lomakin, Yushkevich) 3:11.
8, Philadelphia, Faust 2 (Brind'Amour, Roussel) 3:38.
Overtime
9, Philadelphia, Yushkevich 5 (Faust) 1:15.
Philadelphia: 5 Power play: 4-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Beranek 1 0 1
Bowen 1 0 1
Brind'Amour 0 2 2
Eklund 0 1 1
Faust 1 1 2
Lindros 0 1 1
Lomakin 0 1 1
Recchi 1 1 2
Roussel 0 1 1
Yushkevich 1 1 2
Hartford: 4 Power play: 4-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Burt 1 0 1
Cassels 0 1 1
Cunneyworth 0 1 1
Kron 1 1 2
Nylander 2 0 2
Sanderson 0 2 2
Zalapski 0 1 1
-----------------------------------------
New Jersey 0 3 1--4
NY Islanders 3 3 2--8
First period
1, NY Islanders, Turgeon 56 (unassisted) 4:11.
2, NY Islanders, Thomas 36 (Malakhov, King) pp, 5:58.
3, NY Islanders, Ferraro 14 (Dalgarno, Malakhov) 18:16.
Second period
4, New Jersey, Niedermayer 11 (Richer, Nicholls) 0:41.
5, NY Islanders, Mullen 18 (Vaske, Dalgarno) 1:15.
6, NY Islanders, Thomas 37 (Hogue, Norton) 2:12.
7, New Jersey, Zelepukin 23 (unassisted) 17:11.
8, New Jersey, Richer 38 (Nicholls, Daneyko) 17:23.
9, NY Islanders, Hogue 33 (Flatley, Ferraro) 18:42.
Third period
10, NY Islanders, Turgeon 57 (unassisted) 3:45.
11, New Jersey, Semak 37 (Lemieux, Driver) 9:06.
12, NY Islanders, Turgeon 58 (King, Pilon) 10:21.
NY Islanders: 8 Power play: 4-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Dalgarno 0 2 2
Ferraro 1 1 2
Flatley 0 1 1
Hogue 1 1 2
King 0 2 2
Malakhov 0 2 2
Mullen 1 0 1
Norton 0 1 1
Pilon 0 1 1
Thomas 2 0 2
Turgeon 3 0 3
Vaske 0 1 1
New Jersey: 4 Power play: 2-0
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Daneyko 0 1 1
Driver 0 1 1
Lemieux 0 1 1
Nicholls 0 2 2
Niedermayer 1 0 1
Richer 1 1 2
Semak 1 0 1
Zelepukin 1 0 1
-----------------------------------------
NY Rangers 1 0 1--2
Washington 1 1 2--4
First period
1, NY Rangers, Graves 36 (Zubov, Andersson) 6:17.
2, Washington, Ridley 26 (unassisted) 18:33.
Second period
3, Washington, Hatcher 34 (Johansson) 12:19.
Third period
4, Washington, Jones 12 (May) 2:49.
5, Washington, Cote 21 (Khristich, Pivonka) pp, 18:55.
6, NY Rangers, Gartner 45 (Amonte, Andersson) pp, 19:50.
Washington: 4 Power play: 7-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Cote 1 0 1
Hatcher 1 0 1
Johansson 0 1 1
Jones 1 0 1
Khristich 0 1 1
May 0 1 1
Pivonka 0 1 1
Ridley 1 0 1
NY Rangers: 2 Power play: 4-1
Scorer G A Pts
--------------- --- --- ---
Amonte 0 1 1
Andersson 0 2 2
Gartner 1 0 1
Graves 1 0 1
Zubov 0 1 1
-----------------------------------------
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
Re: SUNDAY! THE DAY OF OUR LORD!
pharvey@quack.kfu.com (Paul Harvey) writes:
>dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Darius_Lecointe) writes:
>>Exactly. Sunday worship is in honor or the *SUN*, not the *SON* of God.
>
>Same thing, isn't it? It's pronounced the same? What other heavenly
>beings are resurrected? The moon? That would by lunacy, at least to a
>sunday worshiper.
I have heard that the sabbath was originally determined by the phases of
the moon, and had elements of moon worship. Early stuff, Egyptian in nature.
--
-- Larry Caldwell caldwell@ohsu.edu CompuServe 72210,2273
Oregon Health Sciences University. (503) 494-2232
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
NTSC horiz & vert drive from black burst?
I would like to hook up some cameras that were recently donated to our
local community cable TV station which have sync inputs in the form
of horizontal and vertical drive. Our station sync is a black burst
which works fine with other boxes with "genlock" style inputs. Can
anyone point me at a design, article, or whatever showing how to produce
the horizontal & vertical drive signals? Thanks in advance.
Jack Powers
| 12sci.electronics
|
Re: Ban All Firearms !
jrm@gnv.ifas.ufl.edu:
Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area. It would not
be economic to smuggle them in. All production would have to be
local. There are not all that many people who have both the skill
AND motivation to assemble worthwhile firearms from scratch.
High-ranking crime figures could obtain imported Uzis and such, but
the average person, and average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun
- and would pay through the nose for it.
Good point you make. However, a zip gun, by definition, is a crude,
homemade gun--certainly not something capable of sustained, accurate
fire, but it would be useful as a means of getting a normal gun. Recall
the tiny, single-shot pistols made by the Allies during World War II for
use by partisans. They were essentially well-made zipguns, incapable of
effective fire beyond a few feet. But they were useful as a means of
killing German soldiers for their guns.
Also note that the crowd-pleasin' favorite, the Sten gun, was
specifically designed to require as little machine work as possible.
The point's been made here that one could make a Sten clone with steel
tubing, hand tools and a welder.
I still think that while the point is good, I think there's a difference
between marijuana and firearms, in that quality marijuana can be grown
locally; there's no need to import the stuff. If guns are banned, I
think the demand for "real" guns will be sufficient to make smuggling
economically feasible, thus rendering a ban moot. In any case, the
result would be the same--people who aren't criminals won't have
firearms, and "bad guys" will continue to have access to them, one way
or another. And I don't see that as a necessary situation.
--
Allan J. Heim allanh@sco.COM ...!uunet!sco!allanh +1 408 427 7813
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
Re: <<Pompous ass
livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
[...]
>>The "`little' things" above were in reference to Germany, clearly. People
>>said that there were similar things in Germany, but no one could name any.
>That's not true. I gave you two examples. One was the rather
>pevasive anti-semitism in German Christianity well before Hitler
>arrived. The other was the system of social ranks that were used
>in Imperail Germany and Austria to distinguish Jews from the rest
>of the population.
These don't seem like "little things" to me. At least, they are orders
worse than the motto. Do you think that the motto is a "little thing"
that will lead to worse things?
keith
| 0alt.atheism
|
Re: Finland/Sweden vs.NHL teams (WAS:Helsinki/Stockholm & NH
: you mention could cut it as stars in the NHL! Even "Rexi" in his prime was more
: of a good regular in New York/Edmonton than a superstar in his own right,
: although some blamed that on lack of effort on his behalf.
:
I think that the NY management made a mistake, and remember how Edmonton
called Reksa in the middle of the season to win the cup ? Why did they call
him?
: Yeah, we've had a tendency to beat ourselves in the past. I almost knifed my
: brother in anger when Sweden scored two in the final minute of the WC
: semifinals back in 1986:-) Or what about the three goals Antero Kivela let in
: with five minutes to go against the Russkies in Lake Placid'80? Ugh . . .
O.K., that was BAD luck. If Penguins have the same kind of luck this year in
the playoffs, they'll never win the cup. They are still the best team.
--
***********************************************************************
* 'Howl howl gargle howl gargle howl howl howl gargle howl gargle howl*
* howl gargle gargle howl gargle gargle gargle howl slurrp uuuurgh' *
* -Prostetnic Vogon Jeltz *
***********************************************************************
-Marko Poutiainen
mep@phoenix.oulu.fi
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
Re: LH Workmanship
I was following an example of the LH the other day, and noticed the fit
between the tunk lid and the rear bumper. The gap was quite small on
the left side, but much larger on the right. Blech!!!
---Mark
| 7rec.autos
|
Trident 8900 *CL* 1280x1024 driver?
Please excuse if FAQ but...
New Trident 8900CL based card claims to have 1280x1024 support.
Drivers with card indicate several 1280x1024 drivers on diskette.
Windows 3.1 does not make all drivers on diskette available to
configuration dialog box. Any suggestion?
Thanx; please e-mail.
dfeldman@uswest.com
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
Re: earthquake prediction
mserv@mozart.cc.iup.edu (Mail Server) writes:
: Ok, a few days back, the below-included message was posted stating:
:
: > I believe with everything in my heart that on May 3, 1993, the city of
: >Portland, Oregon in the country of the United States of America will be hit
: >with a catastrophic and disastrous earthquake...
:
: By now, we know that this did not come to pass....
:
: ...I don't think it's particularly
: glorifying to God to say things like "Well, I THINK the Lord is telling me...",
: ..Such statements seem to me to be an attempt to get a spiritual thrill should
: the guess happen to come true, without risking the guilt of false prophecy
: should it fail to come to pass. I do not believe genuine prophecy was ever
: like this. Comments?
:
I agree. People should not be misled to believe "thus sayeth the Lord" by
innuendo or opinion or speculation.
Speak directly. If the Lord has given you something to say, say it.
But, before I declare "thus sayeth the Lord", I'd better know for certain
without a shadow of a doubt that I am in the correct spiritual condition
and relationship with the Lord to receive such a prophecy and be absolutely
certain, again, without the tiniest shadow of a doubt that there is no
possibility of my being misled by my own imaginations or by my hope of gaining
recognition or of being misled by the wiles of the devil and his followers.
Mistakes in this area are costly and dangerous. For me, my greatest fears
in this area would be the following:
1--that the people would be misled
2--that people would lose respect for christianity
3--that true prophecy would be clouded by all the false prophecies
4--were God to call me to be a prophet and I were to misrepresent God's Word,
my calling would be lost forever. God's Word would command the people
never to listen to or fear my words as I would be a false prophet. My
bridges would be burnt forever. Perhaps I could repent and be saved, but
I could never again be a prophet of God.
In the light of this, it is critical that we speak when the Lord says speak
and that we be silent when the Lord says to be silent lest we deprive the
world of God's Word and hide it under a bushel either by our inappropriate,
cowardly silence or by our false statements. And because of this, it
is critically important that we remain close to the Lord, in His Word, and
in prayer, and filled with the Spirit of God so that we know the difference.
In this day and age, sinners spout off their mouths left and right judging
one another, claiming "rights" that are not theirs, denying rights that do
indeed belong to others, demanding equal respect for all the "gods" of this
world, and uttering every form of falseness that promises to make one feel
good.
It's time that we christians give an example of honesty that stands out in
contrast against this backdrop of falsehood. When we say, "thus sayeth the
Lord", it happens. When we pray, prayer is answered because we prayed right.
When we say we're christians, we really mean it.
Dan
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
"I deplore the horrible crime of child murder...
We want prevention, not merely punishment.
We must reach the root of the evil...
It is practiced by those whose inmost souls revolt
from the dreadful deed...
No mater what the motive, love of ease,
or a desire to save from suffering the unborn innocent,
the woman is awfully guilty who commits the deed...
but oh! thrice guilty is he who drove her
to the desperation which impelled her to the crime."
- Susan B. Anthony,
The Revolution July 8, 1869
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
Re: criminals & machineguns
In <1993Apr16.202441.16032@CSD-NewsHost.Stanford.EDU> andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman) writes:
>In article <93104.175256U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> Jason Kratz <U28037@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>people are getting killed by gang violence every day? Every single day I hear
>>about more people getting killed by gang violence and see some of the weapons
>>that are being confiscated.
>Is Kratz claiming that he can reliably visually distinguish an M-16
>from an AR-15? That he can see the difference between a semi-auto and
>a full-auto UZI? That he can see the difference between the various
>versions (some full-auto, some semi-auto only) of the M-11/9?
Well, let me see. UZI, no. M-11/9, no. M-16/AR-15, maybe. I remember there
being a selector swtich on the AR-15. If I remember correctly (please correct
me if I'm wrong) the switch would set to an "off" position or an "on" position
because the gun (AR-15) is semi-automatic. Wouldn't the M-16 have a position
for semi-auto fire and full-auto fire (or maybe 3 round bursts)? If this is
correct wouldn't it be easy to distinguish each gun by this alone? Of course
if the AR-15 were modified to full-auto fire I wouldn't think it would be that
easy but I'm talking about distinguishing between an unmodified AR-15 and M-16.
How about the other guns? Do they also have selector switch to switch between
semi-auto and fully-auto fire?
>If so, I'd love to hear the details, if only because they'll demonstrate
>that Kratz is blowing smoke.
>Considering that one can design a gun so that it looks just like
>another gun, yet have very different properties, and that that's
>quite common....
>Most kids in my neighborhood were quite young when they figured out
>that my parents car wasn't much like Richard Petty's, even though it
>looked just like it (except for the paint job). Things must have been
>different with Kratz.
Actually it was pretty hard for the kids in my neighborhood to figure that out
as Richard Petty lived in my neighborhood and left his stock car in the
driveway. ;-)
>>Sure it's on TV but why does that make a difference?
>No, it doesn't, but that's irrelevant. If visual inspection of the
>outside worked, TV would be acceptable, but since it doesn't, the fact
>that it's just as good as seeing in person doesn't mean much.
Well, what about what I said above? If that is correct I guess TV would be
acceptable (if you had a good enough picture and a picture of the lower
receiver of the AR-15/M-16).
>-andy gave Kratz a chance to back down on this in private
>--
Jason Kratz <- didn't take andy's offer to back down in private
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
In article <C5s5n0.DyJ@world.std.com> rjk@world.std.com (Robert J. Kolker) writes:
>take their oath at the fortress. Lo Tepol Shaynit Matzadah. Matzadah will
>not fall again!
These zealots. Holy fuck.
Israel. Armenia. Turkey. Greece. Croatia. Serbia. Bosnia. Russia. Germany.
Iran. The Arab World.
War.
--
"Please allow me to introduce myself. SYMPATHY
I'm a man of wealth and taste. FOR THE DEVIL
I've been around for long, long years. the Laibach
Stolen many a man's soul, and faith." remixes
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
Battery storage -- why not charge and store dry?
So it looks like I'm going to have to put a couple of bikes in storage
for a few months, starting several months from now, and I'm already
contemplating how to do it so they're as easy to get going again as
possible. I have everything under control, I think, besides the
batteries. I know that if I buy a $50.00 Battery Tender for each one
and leave them plugged in the whole time the bikes are in storage,
they'll be fine. But I'm not sure that's necessary. I've never heard
anyone discussing this idea, so maybe there's some reason why it isn't
so great. But maybe someone can tell me.
Would it be a mistake to fully charge the batteries, drain the
electrolyte into separate containers (one for each battery), seal the
container, close up the batteries, and leave them that way? Then it
would seem that when the bikes come out of storage, I could put the
electrolyte back in the batteries and they should still be fully
charged. What's wrong with this?
On a related, but different note for you Bay Area Denizens, wasn't
there someone who had a bunch of spare EDTA a few months back? Who was
it? Is there still any of it left?
Thanks for any and all help!
-- Robert
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
Can Mac Superdrives read Unix disks?
Does anyone know of a program or utility that will
enable the Mac to read Unix (i.e. NeXT) 3.5 in. disks?
Thanks,
Warren
warren@laplace.biology.yale.edu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews?
The only Mormon I ever know who was in the FBI considered
J. Edgar Hoover to be an A-1 turd.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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| 16talk.politics.guns
|
Re: ATM
>>So good that there isn't any diff whether or not ATManager is turned
>>on or not. Is it worth it to run ATM at all? Especially with these
>>better printer technologies ... and TT?
>
>There are some fonts that are only available as PS fonts. If you
>have a PS font that you want to use, use ATM. Otherwise, it is
>a waste of system resources.
>
-----Or, if you need to use a service bureau and they're only set up to use
Type 1 fonts. From what I've heard (pure hearsay) the results of outputting
TT fonts as Type 1 is _not_ as good as using high-quality Type 1 fonts in
the first place.
Lamont Downs
downs@nevada.edu
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
Surface normal orientations
Some rendering programs require that all surface normals point in the same
direction. (ie: On a closed cube, all normals point outwards). You can use
the points on the faces to determine the direction of the normal, by making
sure that all points are either in clockwise or counter-clockwise order.
How do you go about orienting all normals in the same direction, given a
set of points, edges and faces? Say that you had a cube with all faces that
have their normals facing outwards, except for one face. What's the
best way to realize that face is "flipped", and should have it's points
re-ordered? I thought I had a good way of telling this, but then realized
that the algorithm I had would only tell you if you had points in clockwise
order for a 2d polygon. I'd like something for 3d data.
Any hints, tips, references would be appreciated.
Steve
--
Where humor is concerned there are no standards -- no one can say what is good
or bad, although you can be sure that everyone will. -- John Kenneth Galbraith
------- These opinions are my own.
| 1comp.graphics
|
VESA LB - what is bus mastering
I read an article about the benefits of a VLB motherboard. It said that a
true VLB board supports bus mastering, otherwise it is just as good as an ISA
motherboard.
Doesn't all VLB motherboard support bus mastering? I just bought a 486-33 VLB
and the tech manual does not explicitly state the words "local bus mastering"
but it said it "supports bus master and slave modes". Are these terms
synonymous?
Thanks.
PS. - please reply by e-mail as I don't read this newgroup often.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Serial Printing
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
Re: sudden numbness in arm
In article <C5u5LG.C3G@gpu.utcc.utoronto.ca> molnar@Bisco.CAnet.CA (Tom Molnar) writes:
>I experienced a sudden numbness in my left arm this morning. Just after
>I completed my 4th set of deep squats. Today was my weight training
>day and I was just beginning my routine. All of a sudden at the end of
>the 4th set my arm felt like it had gone to sleep. It was cold, turned pale,
>and lost 60% of its strength. The weight I used for squats wasn't that
>heavy, I was working hard but not at 100% effort. I waited for a few
>minutes, trying to shake the arm back to life and then continued with
>chest exercises (flyes) with lighter dumbells than I normally use. But
>I dropped the left dumbell during the first set, and experienced continued
>arm weakness into the second. So I quit training and decided not to do my
>usual hour on the ski machine either. I'll take it easy for the rest of
>the day.
>
>My arm is *still* somewhat numb and significantly weaker than normal --
>my hand still tingles a bit down to the thumb. Color has returned to normal
>and it is no longer cold.
>
>Horrid thoughts of chunks of plaque blocking a major artery course through
>my brain. I'm 34, vegetarian, and pretty fit from my daily exercise
>regimen. So that can't be it. Could a pinched nerve from the bar
>cause these symptoms (I hope)?
It likely has nothing to do with "chunks of plaque" but it sounds like
you may have a neurovascular compromise to your arm and you need medical
attention *before* doing any more weight lifting.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
| 13sci.med
|
Re: help on GCC PLP II laser printer
The tech support line for GCC is 1-800-231-1570.
**** From Planet BMUG, the FirstClass BBS of BMUG. The message contained in
**** this posting does not in any way reflect BMUG's official views.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
Re: Soundblaster IRQ and Port settings
In article <1qjv95$1t1@bogus.sura.net> vargish@bogus.sura.net (Nicholas Vargish) writes:
>A SoundBlater (SB) card is _supposed_ to share IRQ 7 with LPT1
>(parallel printer interface 1), and in general this scheme works well.
>However, sometimes there are conflicts -- it seemed to depend on the
>software more than anything else. Origin games are especially bitchy
>about having the WHOLE interrupt to themselves... :^)
>
>My solution was to switch the interrupt to IRQ 5, which is unreserved
>in contemporary computers (using IRQ 5 for the drives went out with
>the XT architechture -- DON'T put the SB in IRQ 5 if you have an XT,
>get a new computer instead). This IRQ has been completely stable for
>me, and I use my SB to play .mods and .wavs under Linux (a free UN*X
>for 386 or better PC-architecture machines) with _no_ problems, as
>well as games under DOS...
I also use IRQ 5. But there is one disadvantage. Some games assume that
the board is using IRQ 7 and have no way to adjust this setting. I had
trouble with some of the Lucas Films games.
--
Peter Geltner Administrative Dean of Computing
Santa Monica College
Santa Monica, California 90405
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Gateway 4DX-33V - too high a price?
I asked for opinions yesterday on Gateway machines. All
the e-mail I received indicated that they were solid,
reliable machines and technical support was very good.
Well, Gateway faxed me a price sheet just now. It seems
to be on the higher side, but then again, maybe not.
Dell's price for a similar price is a whole lot more.
Is this a decent deal? Please advise via email!
$DX-33V
80486DX 33 MHz
Desktop case
64K SRAM cache (20 ns)
8MB DRAM(70 ns SIMMS) expandable to 64MB
1.2 MB and 1.44 Epson diskette drives
250 MB Western Digital IDE (13 ms) 17Mb DTR
Local Bus IDE interface
ATI Ultra Pro VL bus with 1MB VRAM and 24 bit drivers
15" CrystalScan 1572FS color monitor
Phoenix BIOS
clock/calendar
8 16 bit ISA slots, 2 with 32 bit VESA local bus slots
1 parallel and 2 serial ports
Intel OverDrive ready; upgradeable to Pentium technology
124 key AnyKey programmable keyboard
DOS 6.0/Windows 3.1/Microsoft Mouse
Diagsoft QA plus
One of Excel, MS Word, Paradox, Project etc.
All for $2445
S & H 95
An NEC 3FGx minitor upgrade would cost $250 more.
Please advise!
Thanks!
Vasudev
--
Vasudev Murthy Any opinions expressed are strictly
murthy@asl.dl.nec.com my own and have nothing to do with
(214) 518-3602 Advanced Switching Lab, NEC America, Inc.
1525 Walnut Hill Lane Irving TX 75038
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Re: Freedom of Association
In article <pdb059-210493135728@kilimanjaro.jpl.nasa.gov> pdb059@ipl.jpl.nasa.gov (Paul Bartholomew) writes:
A very well put together post. I disagree with several key points, but the
post is an excellent one with which to "engage in discourse":
>There has been much discussion recently about the right to
>freedom of association. Mr. Cramer and Mr. Ronzone appear to
>take an absolutist position on this right--that it is a
>fundamental human right, perhaps the fundamental human right,
>and that it supersedes other rights, such as the right to an
>equal opportunity. Others feel that a right to an equal
>opportunity outweighs the right to freedom of association,
>and thus we have the never-ending debate that flares up
>repeatedly.
Freedom of Association (FOA) involves the MUTUAL and VOLUNTARY agreement of
two or more people.
Right to Equal Opportunity (lets call it REO) involves coercion in all cases
(by definition).
>A major problem is that neither of these rights are
>explicitly declared or protected in the Constitution or in
>the Declaration of Independence, although both can be derived
>from these documents. Unfortunately, this means that the
>debate will never end, because neither side can conclu-
>sively prove the validity of their view--it becomes solely a
>matter of personal philosophy.
Yes, there is much debate. But no, it can end, with once and for all
recognition of these rights. (Well, not totally 100% perfect end, but end
in the same way that there is no worldwide disagreement that say, murder, is
a crime).
>My personal opinion is that the real answer lies somewhere in
>between. I regard both of these rights as fundamental human
>rights which, unfortu- nately, come into direct conflict with
>one another. Which is stronger depends on the given
>situation.
Hmm, there is even MORE discusion about religion. Should we take a
"somewhere in between" approach towards the State & a State recognized
religion? The first amendment, is so, uh, so absolutist you know.
>For example, if the owner of a "mom-and-pop" store wishes to
>hire an employee to help out, their right to freedom of
>association outweighs the rights of their job applicants to
>an equal opportunity. They should be free to hire whomever
>they choose, using whatever criteria they choose, without any
>government intervention at all.
>
>Similarly, if a family wishes to rent out a bedroom in their
>home, or a garage apartment, or something similar, then their
>right to freedom of association outweighs the rights of their
>prospective tenants to an equal opportunity.
>
>If, on the other hand, IBM, a multi-national corporation with
>275,000 employees, publicly owned, and operated by a board of
>directors, wishes to hire additional employees, then whose
>freedom of association are we protecting? The board of
>directors? The other employees? The owners of the stock? In
>this case, the applicant's right to an equal opportunity
>outweighs the right to freedom of association, and we, as a
>society, can ask IBM to use only those criteria which are
>relevant to the specific task.
Why? Says who? Why can mon & pop have FOA, but IBM be forced, and force is
the correct word here, to have REO? As purchase of IBM is voluntary, then
there are very well defined procedures on how IBM chooses to do some things
and chooses to do other things. Why not let those same procedures work for
employment policies?
>Similarly, if a landlord owns a number of apartment buildings
>in which he does not live, and which are managed by an
>independent management agency, then whose freedom of
>association are we protecting? If the owner does not live in
>his buildings and has no contact with his tenants, then the
>prospective tenant's right to an equal opportunity outweighs
>the right to freedom of association, and we, as a society,
>can ask the owner to use only those criteria which are
>relevant to "good" tenants. (I've put "good" in quotation
>marks because I really don't want to be drawn off into the
>side issue of what constitutes a good tenant.)
Why does this tenant have an "option" (I won't call it a right) to destroy
the FOA of the landlord? If the landlord and the tenant can't agree, then they
both can cease from using each other's property.
Suddenly, by arm waving, by magic, a landlord does not have FOA. And on what
basis does the FOA of the landlord "disappear"?
It seems that vague terms like "no contact with tenants" suffice.
Well, I think FOA is one our most important rightts (in the top 2-3), and by
golly, if the State is going to make it suffer, I sure would like to see the
heinous crime that justifies the removal of this right.
I don't think "no contact" with the tenats is even a crime, much less something
that should cause severe interference with important rights.
>I suspect that the majority of the people in this country
>agree with my position on these extreme cases, particularly
>if they are presented in this manner. I don't know if Mr.
>Ronzone or Mr. Cramer would agree--I suspect not. In any
>case, additional problems arise when we try to apply
>guidelines for the middle ground. What if the company has 10
>employees, or 100, or 1000? Where do we draw the line between
>protecting the right to freedom of association and protecting
>the right to an equal opportunity?
Rights are not defined by majority/mob choice. FOA is an absolute. REO
is a fancy name for thuggery, for racism, and coercion.
>The difficulty is that any line we draw will, of necessity,
>be artificial. And any legislation resulting will be flawed.
>In the past, the government has usually tried to pass laws
>which referred to the number of employees hired by the
>company--e.g., any company with more than xxx employees was
>affected by the law. Those with fewer were unaffected.
Of course it would be. You dimly see that the line must be artifiacial, because
FOA is the only right. Just like a State religion -- you can't jsutify that
either.
>Generally, I believe that if we do not have any regulations
>affecting these rights, then the right to freedom of
>association will be stronger. On the other hand, many of the
>regulations protect the right to an equal opportunity too
>much, weakening the right to freedom of association.
>
>I don't believe there is a satisfactory solution which will
>please everybody. A solution that I came up with is to use
>publicly owned vs. privately owned as the dividing line. If
>the company remains privately owned, then the owners should
>be free to do whatever they want with their company. If the
>company becomes publicly owned, then the public has a right
>to ask the company to submit to additional regulation.
Why? I assume that when you say "publicly owned", you are talking about those
quasi-State companys that do NOT have shareholders.
The companies on the Fortune 500, for example, are all privately owned. They
can give you a list of all of their owners. They have no "anonymous",
unknown to them, owners.
>By the way, the above analysis is based on the assumption
>that the right to freedom of association and the right to an
>equal opportunity are both fundamental human rights of equal
>importance. Since this is entirely a matter of faith, not
>subject to any "proof", I do not choose to even try to
>establish this. You either accept it or you don't.
>
>Any comments?
FOA can be derived by any two rational people, on a basis that neither has
evil, malicious, or murderous intent towards the others.
In short, agreement is mutual, or not at all.
Your REO on the other hand, lives only by accepting coercion, the gun, into
the situation. And that is self-destructive of the whole argument, because it
is based only on might makes right. Sort of like saying, "nobody has a right
to live", whereupon I whip out a gun and shoot you dead -- end of argument.
--
There are actually people that STILL believe Love Canal was some kind of
environmental disaster. Weird, eh?
These opinions are MINE, and you can't have 'em! (But I'll rent 'em cheap ...)
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Re: The state of justice
demon@desire.wright.edu (Not a Boomer) writes:
> A judge denied GM's new trial motion, even though GM says it has two
>new witnesses that said the occupant of the truck was dead from the impact, not
>from the fire.
>
> Thoughts?
How can a witness tell that someone in a burning truck is dead rather than
unconscious?
> It's kind of scary when you realize that judges are going to start
>denying new trials even when new evidence that contradicts the facts that led
>to the previous ruling appear.
>
> Or has the judge decided that the new witnesses are not to be believed?
>Shouldn't that be up to a jury?
What kind of witnesses? If we are talking about witnesses who were at
the accident, or were otherwise directly involved (e.g., paramedics,
emergency room doctors, etc.), then they should have been used at the
first trial. You don't get a new trial because you screwed up and
forgot to call all of your witnesses.
If we are talking about new expert witnesses who will offer new
interpretations of the data, note that the loser can *ALWAYS* find
such witnesses. If this were grounds for a new trial, then the loser
could *ALWAYS* get a new trial, and keep doing so until the loser
becomes a winner (and then the other side would come up with new
expert witnesses).
--Tim Smith
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Re: IDE vs SCSI
On Mon, 19 Apr 1993 03:45:17 GMT Wayne Smith (wlsmith@valve.heart.rri.uwo.ca) wrote:
| In article <RICHK.93Apr15075248@gozer.grebyn.com> richk@grebyn.com (Richard Krehbiel) writes:
| >So, when you've got multi-tasking, you want to increase performance by
| >increasing the amount of overlapping you do.
| >
| >One way is with DMA or bus mastering. Either of these make it
| >possible for I/O devices to move their data into and out of memory
| >without interrupting the CPU. The alternative is for the CPU to move
| >the data. There are several SCSI interface cards that allow DMA and
| >bus mastering.
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^
| How do you do bus-mastering on the ISA bus?
As an earlier post noted - through DMA.
| >IDE, however, is defined by the standard AT interface
| >created for the IBM PC AT, which requires the CPU to move all the data
| >bytes, with no DMA.
| If we're talking ISA (AT) bus here, then you can only have 1 DMA channel
| active at any one time, presumably transferring data from a single device.
| So even though you can have at least 7 devices on a SCSI bus, explain how
| all 7 of those devices can to DMA transfers through a single SCSI card
| to the ISA-AT bus at the same time.
Any one time means IMHO a single byte xfer. If I have four sources of
DMA requests ready, the DMA would service the one after the other. If
the bandwidth for the four together is lower than the ISA/DMA
bandwidth, this will work.
Note that the bus mastering here is the priority mechanism in the DMA
controller.
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Disclaimer: All oppinions are mine.
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Re: Brien Taylor: Where is he?
Last year Brein Taylor was in A ball, probably at Tampa in the
Florida State League. I believe he began this year in AA which
is Albany. Hopefully George won't rush him and he'll be
allowed to progress at his own rate to AAA and then to the
Bronx. This guy is the real thing.
Jonathan Alboum
UVA
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Re: Long distance IR detection
In article <1993Apr24.064907.22281@ennews.eas.asu.edu>, gsulliva@enuxha.eas.asu.edu (Glenn A Sullivan) writes...
>I designed and built hardware in 1988 that would output a logic level (from
>a 567 tone detector) upon detecting a 500 microwatt LED 28 feet away.
>Used a Motorola MRD360, biased linearly in a DC-feedback loop to servo out
>variations in sunlight (and 60Hz from lights). Used no lenses.
>
>Allen Sullivan
I would be interested in knowing more about the sensing hardware. What did
you use for the detector? Could you detect the angle of location, or did
the system simply respond to the presence of the transmitter in the sensors
field of view?
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Re: Ceci's "rosicrucian" adventure :-)
930425
Tony Alicia writes:
Let's start with the name "Rosicrucian". I took me a long time to come
to the conclusion that there is a difference between a *member* of a
"rosicrucian" body and BEING *a* ROSICRUCIAN. So when you say that you met
some 'rosicrucians' you mean "members of a group that calls themselves
rosicrucian". At least that is what your observation suggests :-)
Response:
This makes much sense to me. This is also true of most religions.
There is a difference between being a *member* of a group of people
who call themselves 'Hindus' or 'Christians' or 'Pagans' and actually
*BEING* any of these. The social groups tend to make very important
requirements about not belonging to other 'religions'. I find that
the ideal described by the holy texts of most religions can be
interpreted in very similar ways so that one could presume that
'mysticism' is the core of every religion and Huxley's 'Perennial
Philosophy' is the Great Secret Core of all mystical trads. :>
Tony:
I'd prefer if you would have stated up front that it was the Lectorium
Rosicrucianum, only because they may be confused, by some readers of this
newsgroup, with the Rosicrucian Order AMORC based (the USA Jurisdiction) in
San Jose, CA; this being the RC org with the most members (last time I
looked). Of course, "most members" does not *necessarily* mean "best".
Response:
Certainly true. I didn't know there WERE any groups which called themselves
'Rosicrucians' that didn't associate with AMORC. Sure, I've heard all the
hubbub about the Golden Dawn and Rosae Crucis in relation to all these
Western esoteric groups, but hadn't heard about other 'Rosicrucians'.
I'll admit my bias. I live in San Jose. :>
Tony:
"You'll have to trust me" when I tell you that if that
lecture/class/whatever had been presented by AMORC, it is unlikely that you
would have had the same impression, i.e., you'd probably have had a
positive impression more likely than a negative one, IMHO.
Response:
This may be slightly off. I've met some of these Rosicrucians and have
a couple friends in AMORC. The stories I've heard and the slight contact
I've had with them does not give me the hope that I'd be received with
any kind of warm welcome. I still like to think that most people who
are involved with stratified relationships (monogamy, religion, etc.)
are in DEEP pain and hope to heal it within such a 'cast'.
Tony:
It is curious to know that 3 other RC 'orders' (in the USA) claim to be *non-
sectarian*.
Response:
I'd like to know at least the addresses of the 'other orders' which call
themselves 'Rosicrucians' and especially those which are 'nonsectarian'.
Is this 'nonsectarian' like the Masons, who require that a member 'believe
in God by his/her definition'?
Tony:
I don't see nothing *fundamentally* wrong with "us containing
something divine"... And yes I don't like phrases like "eternal bliss"
either! :-)
Response:
Let alone us *BEING* something divine. ;>
Tony:
BTW, I have read the intro letters of the LRC which they will mail you free
of charge.
Response:
Addresses, phone numbers of groups? I'm into networking. Thanks.
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Re: Players Rushed to Majors
In article <C5Hq3o.G4p@tss.com> hanson@tss.com (Hanson Loo) writes:
>Didn't Bob Horner go straight from Arizona State Univ.
>to the Atlanta Braves? I remember he had one great
>month hitting dingers and then the next I heard
>he was in Japan.
A month? Well, he did have a short career--compared to what one might
have expected for such a highly touted prospect--due to being injury prone,
overweight, and having no work ethic. But he certainly did not
suffer from being rushed to the bigs.
--
Len Reed
Holos Software, Inc.
Voice: (404) 496-1358 ext. 16
Domain: lbr@holos.atl.ga.usa UUCP: lbr@holos0.UUCP
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Re: Diamond SS 24X
In article <1993Apr22.085129.554@condor.navsses.navy.mil>, zimm@condor.navsses.navy.mil writes:
>Greetings!
>
>I've had a bunch of problems with the 24x. Opening a DOS window on the
>desktop can occasionally result in the windows "blowing up" into a set of
>horizontal lines, hashing the entire desktop. Nothing can recover this
>except to completely exit from Windows. The other irritating problem is
>that windows that scroll often overwrite lines rather than actually
I posted a similar query and got these replies which I am testing (so far so
good)..
* turn hardware scrolling off before going into windows (24xmode scrolloff)
* in the pif file for dos window, set "emulate text mode"
* get the latest drivers from the DiamoND BBS (or cica): dates are 1-20-9.
--
Steve Chesney slc@catherine.cim.cdc.com
Metaphase Technology Inc. 612-482-4662 (voice)
4233 North Lexington Avenue 612-482-4001 (fax)
Arden Hills, MN 55126
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
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Re: Need to find out number to a phone line
In Texas (Well, Corpus Christi anyway) if you pick up the phone and dial
890 the phone company will read back the number to you.
Try it. It might work.
| 12sci.electronics
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Re: Encapsulated Postscript and X
> How do I view .eps files on X? I have an image in color encapsulated
> postscript, and need to view it on my screen.
Several ways are available -- pageview (which I think came
with our system, so I can't point), ghostview (with ghostscript), and
the new xv 3.00 package all do so. I recommend the latter two,
especially xv if you want to do any conversion.
> Are there any utilities that will let me convert between encapsulated
> postscript and plain postscript?
I'm not sure offhand, but I will attempt to mail you the
comp.lang.postscript FAQ, which has a list of utilities.
Greg Owen { gowen@forte.cs.tufts.edu, gowen@jade.tufts.edu }
Systems Programmer and TA, Tufts University Computer Science Dept.
Personal info: GCS/GO d++ -p+ c+++ m*/m- s++/- g+ w+/w-- x+
email for explanation if interested...
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Re: looking for hot Mac 3D anim software
In <C68zD9.Mxp@news.udel.edu> stern@brahms.udel.edu (Garland Stern) writes:
>I am interested in finding 3D animation programs for the Mac.
>I am especially interested in any programs that don't exist
>in a PC port and are so good that they would make me go buy
>a Mac. Do any such exist?
>Thanks in advance
Howdy... I think you would be interested in Infini-D 2.5 for the Mac. There
is no DOS or Windows version. It's quite an amazing program.
"Some" of the features:
* Bevel Text
* Timeline based animation sequencer
* Realtime bounding box preview
* Object linking
* Phong Shading
* Ray Tracing
* Bounding Box shading
* Wireframe shading
* Ghourad shading
* Flat shading
* Anti-aliasing (none, low, medium, high)
* Environment maps
* Quicktime support (wrap a QT movie around an object)
* Procedural surfaces
* Composed surfaces (for layering surfaces)
* Alpha channel support
* Import EPS, DXF, and Swivel 3D files
* Export DXF and Swivel 3D files
* Spline based animation
* Animation assistant (for creating smooth movements and other stuff)
* Object morphing (surfaces and bevels morph too)
... And lots more that I can't remember right now...
Anyway, it's not as expensive as some of the other animation/rendering
packages. I think you can get it for around $699 from MacWarehouse.
They also have educational discounts...
Well, hope that helps a bit.
See ya...
--
Brendan Duddridge
InterNet : umduddr0@ccu.umanitoba.ca
America Online : BrendanD1
| 1comp.graphics
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Re: Why I'm not using Dos 6 anymore
In article <1993Apr28.141743.28994@ugle.unit.no> eliza@tigern (Elisabeth Bull) writes:
>From: eliza@tigern (Elisabeth Bull)
>Subject: Re: Why I'm not using Dos 6 anymore
>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 93 14:17:43 GMT
>Mark Woodruff (CDA90038@UCF1VM.BITNET) wrote:
>>
>> This morning at 4 am while I was working on my research paper, I had to
>> reboot a hung Dos program (that did no disk i/o) from within Windows 3.1.
>> When my machine finished rebooting, I found my windows directory and about two
>> thirds of my other directories were irreversibly corrupted.
>>
>(stuff deleted)
>This sounds like what happened to my HD a month ago. My HD was stacked
>with Stacker v.2.0 (I run Dos5) Suddenly everything hung up, and most of
>the HD got corrupted (directories changed into unreadable files with
>'funny' names). In other words: it is probably just the doubledisk part of
>Dos6 that is troublesome.
>I now use Stacker v 3.0, and so far I have had no trouble.
Does this need to have anything to do with disk compression? I have
experienced the same thing a couple of times myself, but *without* any disk
compression stuff installed. (For example, guess what happened when Norton
SpeedDisk once crashed during defragmenting!)
Bjorn-
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Re: Prophetic Warning to New York City
evensont@spot.Colorado.EDU (EVENSON THOMAS RANDALL) writes:
>Yes, I suppose it is true that people make mistakes. It is interesting to
>note that in those long ago OT days, if you weren't 100% correct in
>your prophecies, people got very mad and you were no longer believed,
>even put to death.
This is one of the differences between OT prophecy and NT prophecy. In the
NT, it is expected that when believers gather,
- people will prophesy
- the prophecy must be judged (1 Cor 14:29)
There is nothing about killing someone who makes a mistake.
>To say that we make mistakes is true. To say that we make mistakes
>while filled with the spirit is not true. Were that true, the entire
>Bible, having been written by men inspired by God would be subject also
>to those errors, for what is prophecy but like those revelations given
>in scripture?
Scripture is scripture; there is no "gift of scripture". And I don't know
about you, but I know that _I_ have made mistakes while filled with the
spirit. If you don't give grace to allow people to make mistakes, they
will never grow in the use of the spiritual gifts!
When we minister in my small group, I encourage people to speak out any
impressions or images they think might be from the Lord. Only by trying
will they know whether they were right or wrong -- and in either case,
they'll have a better handle on it the next time.
Didn't you fall when you were learning to ride a bicycle? But you kept on
trying, and you learned both from your failures and your successes.
Spiritual gifts are no different -- you get better with experience.
>Which brings me around to asking an open question. Is the Bible a closed
>book of Scripture? Is it okay for us to go around saying "God told
>me this" and "Jesus told me that"? Wouldn't that imply that God is STILL
>pouring out new revelation to us? I know that some people will feel
>that is okay, and some will not. The concept of a closed canon would
>certainly cast a shadow on contemporary prophets. On the other hand,
>an open canon seems to be indicated sometimes.
The canon of Scripture is complete. Does this mean that God no longer
speaks? I have heard his voice -- not audibly (though some have), but
clearly nonetheless. Is what I heard equivalent to Scripture? No. I have
never heard contemporary prophets claim that what they receive from the
Lord is on the same level as Scripture; on the contrary, those who are
mature obey the Scriptures by submitting their prophecies to fellow
believers for judgement. And the most reliable yardstick for judging
prophecies is, certainly, the Scriptures themselves. The canon is closed
-- but God is not silent!
>Also interesting to note is that some so called prophecies are nothing new
>but rather an inspired translation of scripture. Is it right to call
>that prophecy? Misleading? Wouldn't that be more having to do with
>knowledge? I know, the gift of knowledge may not be as exciting to
>talk about, but shouldn't we call a horse a horse?
Does it matter what it is called? The question is not how to label it, but
how to receive it. Words of knowledge, incidentally, are similar to
prophecy (and sometimes the two overlap), but generally it is supernatural
knowledge of some fact that could not be known otherwise.
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NCSA Mosaic for X 1.0 available.
Version 1.0 of NCSA Mosaic for the X Window System, a networked
information systems and World Wide Web browser, is hereby released:
file://ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Mosaic/xmosaic-source/xmosaic-1.0.tar.Z
.../xmosaic-binaries/xmosaic-sun.Z
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NCSA Mosaic provides a consistent and easy-to-use hypermedia-based
interface into a wide variety of networked information sources,
including Gopher, WAIS, World Wide Web, NNTP/Usenet news, Techinfo,
FTP, local filesystems, Archie, finger, Hyper-G, HyTelnet, TeXinfo,
telnet, tn3270, and more.
This release of NCSA Mosaic is known to compile on the following
platforms:
SGI (IRIX 4.0.2)
IBM (AIX 3.2)
Sun 4 (SunOS 4.1.3 with stock X11R4 and Motif 1.1, and GCC).
DEC Ultrix.
DEC Alpha AXP (OSF/1).
Documentation is available online.
Changes since 0.13 include:
o Added new resource, gethostbynameIsEvil, for Sun's that
coredump when gethostbyname() is called to try to find out what
their own names are. (Command-line flag is -ghbnie.)
o Explicitly pop down all dialog boxes when document view
window is closed, for window managers too dull to do so
themselves.
o Better visited anchor color for non-SGI's.
o Added .hqx and .uu to list of file extensions handled like .tar files.
o Added 'Clear' button to Open box, to allow more convenient
cut-n-paste entries of URL's.
o New resource 'autoPlaceWindows'; if set to False, new document
view windows will not be automatically positioned by the
program itself (but it's still up to your window manager just how
they're placed).
o Command-line flags -i and -iconic now have desired effect (new
resource initialWindowIconic can also be used).
o Gif-reading code is a little more bulletproof.
o Obscure infinite loop triggered by extra space in IMG tag fixed.
o Eliminated nonintuitive error message when image can't be read
(inlined NCSA bitmap is indication enough that something's not
right for authors, and readers can't do anything about bad images
in any case).
o Obscure parsing bug (for constructs like <ADDRESS><A
HREF=...>text<A></ADDRESS>) fixed.
o Fixed mysterious stupid coredump that only hits Suns.
o Fixed stupid coredump on URL's like '://cbl.leeds.ac.uk/'.
o Fixed buglet in handling rlogin URL's.
o New support for Solaris/SYSVR4 (courtesy
dana@thumper.bellcore.com).
o Better support for HP-UX 8.x and 9.x (courtesy
johns@hpwarf.wal.hp.com).
o Better support for NeXT (courtesy scott@shrug.dur.ac.uk).
o Some miscellaneous portability fixes (courtesy
bingle@cs.purdue.edu).
o Miscellaneous bug fixes and cleanups.
Comments, questions, and bug reports should be sent to
mosaic-x@ncsa.uiuc.edu. Thanks in advance for any feedback you can
provide.
Cheers,
Marc
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Marc Andreessen
Software Development Group
National Center for Supercomputing Applications
marca@ncsa.uiuc.edu
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Re: Mel Hall
In article <1993Apr17.212119.13901@coe.montana.edu> warped@cs.montana.edu (Doug Dolven) writes:
>
>Has anyone heard anything about Mel Hall this season? I'd heard he wasn't
>with the Yankees any more. What happened to him?
>
> Doug Dolven
Mel is alive and well and playing in Japan. (The Yanks let him go because
he was asking for too much money, and because they thought that they were
going to get Barry Bonds, making Hall obsolete. Oopsie! Well, at least
they got O'Neill to replace the Mel-man).
--I'm outta here like Vladimir!
-Alan
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| (Scene from "Real Genius" where Val Kilmer is trying to pick up a |
| gorgeous blonde) |
| Val: So, if there's anything I can do for you, or, more |
| to the point, to you, you just let me know. |
| Blonde: Can you hammer a six-inch spike through a board |
| with your penis? |
| Val: Not right now, no. |
| Blonde: A girl's gotta have her standards (she walks away) |
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Crypto File System reference?
A while ago there was a reference to a paper on a crypto file
system (CFS) given by someone at at AT&T (?). How can I
get a copy? Is it available on the net? Was it published?
Who was the author?
Thanks
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Well, that about says it.
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Re: <Political Atheists?
kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
>>>How many contridictions do you want to see?
>>Good question. If I claim something is a general trend, then to disprove this,
>>I guess you'd have to show that it was not a general trend.
>No, if you're going to claim something, then it is up to you to prove it.
>Think "Cold Fusion".
Well, I've provided examples to show that the trend was general, and you
(or others) have provided some counterexamples, mostly ones surrounding
mating practices, etc. I don't think that these few cases are enough to
disprove the general trend of natural morality. And, again, the mating
practices need to be reexamined...
>>Try to find "immoral" non-mating-related activities.
>So you're excluding mating-related-activities from your "natural morality"?
No, but mating practices are a special case. I'll have to think about it
some more.
>>Yes, I think that the natural system can be objectively deduced with the
>>goal of species propogation in mind. But, I am not equating the two
>>as you so think. That is, an objective system isn't necessarily the
>>natural one.
>Are you or are you not the man who wrote:
>"A natural moral system is the objective moral system that most animals
> follow".
Indeed. But, while the natural system is objective, all objective systems
are not the natural one. So, the terms can not be equated. The natural
system is a subset of the objective ones.
>Now, since homosexuality has been observed in most animals (including
>birds and dolphins), are you going to claim that "most animals" have
>the capacity of being immoral?
I don't claim that homosexuality is immoral. It isn't harmful, although
it isn't helpful either (to the mating process). And, when you say that
homosexuality is observed in the animal kingdom, don't you mean "bisexuality?"
>>>>Because we can't determine to what end we should be "moral."
>Are you claiming to be a group? "We" usually implies more than one entity.
This is standard jargon. Read any textbook. The "we" forms are used
throughout.
>>Well, I'm saying that these goals are not inherent. That is why they must
>>be postulates, because there is not really a way to determine them
>>otherwise (although it could be argued that they arise from the natural
>>goal--but they are somewhat removed).
>Postulate: To assume; posit.
That's right. The goals themselves aren't inherent.
>I can create a theory with a postulate that the Sun revolves around the
>Earth, that the moon is actually made of green cheese, and the stars are
>the portions of Angels that intrudes into three-dimensional reality.
You could, but such would contradict observations.
>I can build a mathematical proof with a postulate that given the length
>of one side of a triangle, the length of a second side of the triangle, and
>the degree of angle connecting them, I can determine the length of the
>third side.
But a postulate is something that is generally (or always) found to be
true. I don't think your postulate would be valid.
>Guess which one people are going to be more receptive to. In order to assume
>something about your system, you have to be able to show that your postulates
>work.
Yes, and I think the goals of survival and happiness *do* work. You think
they don't? Or are they not good goals?
keith
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