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Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | that people can take that right. So one way is exactly what you just said to try to kind of | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:38:51.440 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | expand their expand their their their notions for that category. The other way people often go is | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:38:54.720 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | they just sort of define the term is if if if it's not a natural product, it's it's just faking, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:39:02.000 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | right? It's not really intelligence if it was made by somebody else, because it's that same, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:39:08.240 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | it's the same thing. They can see how it's done. And once you see how it's like a magic trick, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:39:11.920 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | when you see how it's done, it's not as fun anymore. And and I think people have a real | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:39:16.160 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | tendency for that. And they sort of which which I find really strange in the sense that if somebody | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:39:21.360 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | said to me, we have this this this sort of blind, like, like, hill climbing search, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:39:25.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | and then and then we have a really smart team of engineers, which one do you think is going to | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:39:32.480 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | produce a system that has good intelligence? I think it's really weird to say that it only | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:39:36.800 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | comes from the blind search, right? It can't be done by people who, by the way, can also use | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:39:41.680 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | evolutionary techniques if they want to, but also rational design. I think it's really weird to say | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:39:45.600 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | that real intelligence only comes from natural evolution. So I hope you're right. I hope people | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:39:49.920 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | take it the other the other way. But there's a nice shortcut. So I work with Lego robots a lot now | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:39:55.600 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | from for my own personal pleasure. Not in that way internet. So four legs. And one of the things | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:40:01.360 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | that changes my experience with the robots a lot is when I can't understand why I did a certain | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:40:13.520 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | thing. And there's a lot of ways to engineer that. Me, the person that created the software that runs | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:40:21.440 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | it. There's a lot of ways for me to build that software in such a way that I don't exactly know | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:40:27.680 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | why it did a certain basic decision. Of course, as an engineer, you can go in and start to look at | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:40:33.120 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | logs. You can log all kind of data, sensory data, the decisions you made, you know, all the outputs | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:40:40.160 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | in your networks and so on. But I also try to really experience that surprise and that really | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:40:45.840 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | experience as another person would that totally doesn't know how it's built. And I think the magic | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:40:52.320 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | is there in not knowing how it works. That I think biology does that for you through the layers of | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:40:57.840 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | abstraction. Yeah, it because nobody really knows what's going on inside the biological. Like each | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:41:06.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | one component is clueless about the big picture. I think there's actually really cheap systems that | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:41:14.320 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | can that can illustrate that kind of thing, which is even like, you know, fractals, right? Like, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:41:20.480 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | you have a very small, short formula in Z, and you see it and there's no magic, you're just going to | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:41:27.200 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | crank through, you know, Z squared plus C, whatever, you're just going to crank through it. But the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:41:32.560 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | result of it is this incredibly rich, beautiful image, right? That that just like, wow, all of | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:41:36.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | that was in this, like, 10 character long string, like amazing. So the fact that you can you can | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:41:43.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | know everything there is to know about the details and the process and all the parts and every like, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:41:49.760 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | there's literally no magic of any kind there. And yet the outcome is something that you would never | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:41:54.800 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | have expected. And it's just it just, you know, is incredibly rich and complex and beautiful. So | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:42:01.120 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | there's a lot of that. You write that you work on developing conceptual frameworks for understanding | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:42:07.200 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | unconventional cognition. So the kind of thing we've been talking about, I just like the term | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:42:13.360 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | unconventional cognition. And you want to figure out how to detect, study and communicate with | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:42:17.840 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | the thing. You've already mentioned a few examples, but what is unconventional cognition? Is it as | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:42:23.440 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | simply as everything else outside of what we define usually as cognition, cognitive science, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:42:29.200 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | the stuff going on between our ears? Or is there some deeper way to get at the fundamentals of | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:42:34.880 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | what is cognition? Yeah, I think like, and I'm certainly not the only person who works in | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:42:41.440 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | unconventional, unconventional cognition. So it's the term used? Yeah, that's one that I so I've | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:42:47.440 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | coined a number of weird terms, but that's not one of mine like that. That's an existing thing. So | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:42:53.440 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | so for example, somebody like Andy Adam Askey, who I don't know if you've if you've had him on, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:42:56.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | if you haven't, you should he's a he's a he's a, you know, very interesting guy. He's a computer | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:43:00.880 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | scientist, and he does unconventional cognition and slime molds, all kinds of weird. He's a real | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:43:05.600 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | weird, weird cat, really interesting. Anyway, so so that's, you know, it's a bunch of terms that | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:43:10.640 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | I've come up with. But that's not one of mine. So I think like many terms, that one is, is really | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:43:15.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | defined by the times, meaning that unconventional cognitive things that are unconventional cognition | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:43:21.600 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | today are not going to be considered unconventional cognition at some point. It's one of those, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:43:26.560 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | it's one of those things. And so it's, you know, it's, it's, it's this, it's this really deep | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:43:31.920 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | question of how do you recognize, communicate with, classify cognition, when you cannot rely | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:43:37.840 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | on the typical milestones, right? So typical, you know, again, if you stick with the with the, the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:43:46.240 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | history of life on Earth, like these, these exact model systems, you would say, Ah, here's a particular | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:43:52.160 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | structure of the brain. And this one has fewer of those. And this one has a bigger frontal cortex. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:43:56.640 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | And this one, right, so these are these are landmarks that that we're that we're used to, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:44:00.160 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | and and allows us to make very kind of rapid judgments about things. But if you can't rely on | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:44:04.640 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | that, either because you're looking at a synthetic thing, or an engineered thing, or an alien thing, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:44:10.560 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | then what do you do? Right? How do you and so and so that's what I'm really interested. I'm | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:44:16.160 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | interested in mind in all of its possible implementations, not just the obvious ones | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:44:19.600 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | that we know from from looking at brains here on Earth. Whenever I think about something like | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:44:25.040 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | unconventional cognition, I think about cellular automata, I'm just captivated by the beauty of the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:44:31.040 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | thing. The fact that from simple little objects, you can create some such beautiful complexity | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:44:36.880 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | that very quickly, you forget about the individual objects, and you see the things that it creates | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:44:46.480 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | as its own organisms. That blows my mind every time. Like, honestly, I could full time just | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:44:53.120 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | eat mushrooms and watch cellular automata. Don't even have to do mushrooms. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:45:01.920 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | Just cellular automata. It feels like, I mean, from the engineering perspective, I love | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:45:06.880 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | when a very simple system captures something really powerful, because then you can study | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:45:13.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | that system to understand something fundamental about complexity about life on Earth. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:45:18.320 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | Anyway, how do I communicate with a thing? If cellular automata can do cognition, if a plant | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:45:24.080 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | can do cognition, if a xenobot can do cognition, how do I like whisper in its ear and get an | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:45:32.000 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | answer back to how do I have a conversation? How do I have a xenobot on a podcast? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:45:40.000 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | It's a really interesting line of investigation that opens up. I mean, we've thought about this. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:45:46.880 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | So you need a few things. You need to understand the space in which they live. So not just the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:45:53.840 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | physical modality, like can they see light, can they feel vibration? I mean, that's important, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:46:00.400 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | of course, because that's how you deliver your message. But not just the ideas for a communication | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:46:03.680 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | medium, not just the physical medium, but saliency, right? So what's important to this | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:46:08.320 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | system? And systems have all kinds of different levels of sophistication of what you could expect | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:46:16.000 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | to get back. And I think what's really important, I call this the spectrum of persuadability, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:46:22.080 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | which is this idea that when you're looking at a system, you can't assume where on the spectrum | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:46:28.080 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | it is. You have to do experiments. And so for example, if you look at a gene regulatory network, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:46:33.200 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | which is just a bunch of nodes that turn each other on and off at various rates, you might | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:46:41.440 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | look at that and you say, well, there's no magic here. I mean, clearly this thing is as deterministic | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:46:45.760 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | as it gets. It's a piece of hardware. The only way we're going to be able to control it is by | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:46:50.320 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | rewiring it, which is the way molecular biology works, right? We can add nodes, remove nodes, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:46:54.320 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | whatever. Well, so we've done simulations and shown that biological, and now we're doing this in the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:46:57.920 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | lab, the biological networks like that have associative memory. So they can actually learn, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:47:03.440 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | they can learn from experience. They have habituation, they have sensitization, they | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:47:08.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | have associative memory, which you wouldn't have known if you assume that they have to be on the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:47:12.000 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | left side of that spectrum. So when you're going to communicate with something, and we've even, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:47:15.840 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | Charles Abramson and I have written a paper on behaviorist approaches to synthetic organisms, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:47:21.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | meaning that if you're given something, you have no idea what it is or what it can do, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:47:26.080 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | how do you figure out what its psychology is, what its level is, what does it, and so we literally | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:47:29.600 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | lay out a set of protocols, starting with the simplest things and then moving up to more complex | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:47:34.480 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | things where you can make no assumptions about what this thing can do, right? You have to start | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:47:38.480 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | and you'll find out. So when you're going to, so here's a simple, I mean, here's one way to | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:47:42.640 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | communicate with something. If you can train it, that's a way of communicating. So if you can | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:47:47.120 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | provide, if you can figure out what the currency of reward of positive and negative reinforcement is, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:47:51.600 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | right, and you can get it to do something it wasn't doing before based on experiences you've | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:47:56.160 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | given, you have taught it one thing. You have communicated one thing, that such and such an | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:48:01.520 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | action is good, some other action is not good. That's like a basic atom of a primitive atom | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:48:06.080 |