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Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | sense in which that is intelligence. If it looks like it's intelligent, it is intelligent. And I | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:58:26.080 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | think there's some deep aspect of a system that appears to be conscious. In some deep sense, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:58:32.560 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | it is conscious. At least for me, we have to consider that possibility. And a system that | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:58:43.600 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | appears to be conscious is an engineering challenge. Yeah, I don't disagree with any of | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:58:51.520 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | that. I mean, especially intelligence, I think, is a publicly observable thing. Science fiction | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:58:58.480 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | has dealt with this for a century or much more, maybe. This idea that when you are confronted with | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:59:06.080 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | something that just doesn't meet any of your typical assumptions, so you can't look in the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:59:12.400 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | skull and say, oh, well, there's that frontal cortex, so then I guess we're good. So this thing | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:59:17.760 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | lands on your front lawn, and the little door opens, and something trundles out, and it's shiny | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:59:23.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | and aluminum looking, and it hands you this poem that it wrote while it was flying over, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:59:30.160 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | and how happy it is to meet you. What's going to be your criteria for whether you get to take it | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:59:35.520 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | apart and see what makes it tick, or whether you have to be nice to it and whatever? All the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:59:40.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | criteria that we have now and that people are using, and as you said, a lot of people are | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:59:46.000 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | down on the Turing test and things like this, but what else have we got? Because measuring | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:59:51.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | the cortex size isn't going to cut it in the broader scheme of things. So I think it's a | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#01:59:55.920 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | wide open problem. Our solution to the problem of other minds, it's very simplistic. We give each | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:00:03.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | other credit for having minds just because we're sort of on an anatomical level, we're pretty | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:00:11.360 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | similar, and so it's good enough. But how far is that going to go? So I think that's really primitive. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:00:15.840 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | So yeah, I think it's a major unsolved problem. It's a really challenging direction of thought | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:00:21.360 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | to the human race that you talked about, like embodied minds. If you start to think that other | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:00:28.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | things other than humans have minds, that's really challenging. Because all men are created equal | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:00:36.640 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | starts being like, all right, well, we should probably treat not just cows with respect, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:00:43.360 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | but like plants, and not just plants, but some kind of organized conglomerates of cells | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:00:52.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | in a petri dish. In fact, some of the work we're doing, like you're doing and the whole community | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:01:02.400 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | of science is doing with biology, people might be like, we were really mean to viruses. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:01:08.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | Yeah. I mean, yeah, the thing is, you're right. And I certainly get phone calls about people | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:01:13.760 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | complaining about frog skin and so on. But I think we have to separate the sort of deep | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:01:20.320 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | philosophical aspects versus what actually happens. So what actually happens on Earth | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:01:26.560 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | is that people with exactly the same anatomical structure kill each other on a daily basis. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:01:30.560 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | So I think it's clear that simply knowing that something else is equally or maybe more | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:01:37.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | cognitive or conscious than you are is not a guarantee of kind behavior, that much we know of. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:01:44.880 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | And so then we look at a commercial farming of mammals and various other things. And so I think | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:01:51.120 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | on a practical basis, long before we get to worrying about things like frog skin, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:01:56.880 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | we have to ask ourselves, why are we, what can we do about the way that we've been behaving | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:02:03.120 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | towards creatures, which we know for a fact, because of our similarities are basically just | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:02:08.400 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | like us. That's kind of a whole other social thing. But fundamentally, of course, you're | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:02:13.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | absolutely right in that we are also, think about this, we are on this planet in some way, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:02:18.880 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | incredibly lucky. It's just dumb luck that we really only have one dumb animal. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:02:24.720 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | We only have one dominant species. It didn't have to work out that way. So you could easily | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:02:31.360 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | imagine that there could be a planet somewhere with more than one equally or maybe near equally | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:02:37.200 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | intelligent species. But they may not look anything like each other. So there may be | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:02:43.360 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | multiple ecosystems where there are things of similar to human like intelligence. And then | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:02:49.200 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | you'd have all kinds of issues about how do you relate to them when they're physically | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:02:54.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | like you at all. But yet in terms of behavior and culture and whatever, it's pretty obvious | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:02:59.840 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | that they've got as much on the ball as you have. Or maybe imagine that there was another | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:03:04.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | group of beings that was on average 40 IQ points lower. We're pretty lucky in many ways. We don't | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:03:10.400 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | really have, even though we still act badly in many ways. But the fact is, all humans are more | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:03:18.320 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | or less in that same range, but didn't have to work out that way. Well, but I think that's part | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:03:24.400 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | of the way life works on Earth, maybe human civilization works, is it seems like we want | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:03:30.160 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | ourselves to be quite similar. And then within that, you know, where everybody's about the same | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:03:38.800 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | relatively IQ, intelligence, problem solving capabilities, even physical characteristics. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:03:45.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | But then we'll find some aspect of that that's different. And that seems to be like, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:03:49.840 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | I mean, it's really dark to say, but that seems to be the, not even a bug, but like a feature | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:03:58.560 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | of the early development of human civilization. You pick the other, your tribe versus the other | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:04:07.440 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | tribe and you war, it's a kind of evolution in the space of memes, a space of ideas, I think, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:04:14.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | and you war with each other. So we're very good at finding the other, even when the characteristics | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:04:22.640 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | are really the same. And that's, I don't know what that, I mean, I'm sure so many of these things | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:04:28.240 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | echo in the biological world in some way. Yeah. There's a fun experiment that I did. My son | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:04:35.040 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | actually came up with this and we did a biology unit together. He's a homeschool. And so we did | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:04:41.600 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | this a couple of years ago. We did this thing where, imagine you get this slime mold, right? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:04:46.880 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | Fisarum polycephalum, and it grows on a Petri dish of agar and it sort of spreads out and it's a | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:04:50.800 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | single cell protist, but it's like this giant thing. And so you put down a piece of oat and | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:04:57.600 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | it wants to go get the oat and it sort of grows towards the oat. So what you do is you take a | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:05:02.160 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | razor blade and you just separate the piece of the whole culture that's growing towards the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:05:05.760 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | oat. You just kind of separate it. And so now think about the interesting decision making | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:05:10.160 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | calculus for that little piece. I can go get the oat and therefore I won't have to share those | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:05:15.040 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | nutrients with this giant mass over there. So the nutrients per unit volume is going to be amazing. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:05:20.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | I should go eat the oat. But if I first rejoin, because Fisarum, once you cut it, has the ability | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:05:25.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | to join back up. If I first rejoin, then that whole calculus becomes impossible because there | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:05:30.560 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | is no more me anymore. There's just we and then we will go eat this thing, right? So this | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:05:36.240 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | interesting, you can imagine a kind of game theory where the number of agents isn't fixed | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:05:40.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | and that it's not just cooperate or defect, but it's actually merge and whatever, right? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:05:46.320 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | Yeah. So that computation, how does it do that decision making? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:05:50.320 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | Yeah. So it's really interesting. And so empirically, what we found is that it tends | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:05:54.400 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | to merge first. It tends to merge first and then the whole thing goes. But it's really interesting | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:06:00.240 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | that that calculus, I mean, I'm not an expert in the economic game theory and all that, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:06:04.720 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | but maybe there's some sort of hyperbolic discounting or something. But maybe this idea | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:06:09.600 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | that the actions you take not only change your payoff, but they change who or what you are, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:06:14.880 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | and that you could take an action after which you don't exist anymore, or you are radically | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:06:22.720 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | changed, or you are merged with somebody else. As far as I know, that's a whole different | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:06:27.440 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | thing. As far as I know, we're still missing a formalism for even knowing how to model | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:06:33.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | any of that. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:06:38.720 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | Do you see evolution, by the way, as a process that applies here on Earth? Where did evolution | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:06:39.720 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | come from? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:06:45.200 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | Yeah. | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:06:46.200 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | So this thing from the very origin of life that took us to today, what the heck is that? | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:06:47.200 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | I think evolution is inevitable in the sense that if you combine, and basically, I think | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:06:54.560 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | one of the most useful things that was done in early computing, I guess in the 60s, it | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:07:00.960 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | started with evolutionary computation and just showing how simple it is that if you have | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:07:05.600 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | imperfect heredity and competition together, those two things, or three things, so heredity, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:07:13.320 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | imperfect heredity, and competition, or selection, those three things, and that's it. Now you're | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:07:19.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | off to the races. And so that can be, it's not just on Earth because it can be done in | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:07:25.000 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | the computer, it can be done in chemical systems, it can be done in, you know, Lee Smolin says | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:07:29.640 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | it works on cosmic scales. So I think that that kind of thing is incredibly pervasive | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:07:33.480 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | and general. It's a general feature of life. It's interesting to think about, you know, | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:07:42.400 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | the standard thought about this is that it's blind, right? Meaning that the intelligence | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:07:49.200 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | of the process is zero, it's stumbling around. And I think that back in the day, when the | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:07:55.280 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | options were it's dumb like machines, or it's smart like humans, then of course, the scientists | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:08:01.520 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | went in this direction, because nobody wanted creationism. They said, okay, it's got to | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:08:07.560 |
Michael Levin: Biology, Life, Aliens, Evolution, Embryogenesis & Xenobots | Lex Fridman Podcast #325 | be like completely blind. I'm not actually sure, right? Because I think that everything | https://karpathy.ai/lexicap/0325-large.html#02:08:10.680 |