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11261h7

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Fully customizable Schedule Departure. Current implementation of either work days or all days is problematic for people with changing schedules

I d like for me to not need to manually connect to my phone to make calls or stream audio every time I get in my Model 3. 4+ years of ownership and all sorts of diagnostics from the service center technicians has yielded no fixes.

11261h7

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Fully customizable Schedule Departure. Current implementation of either work days or all days is problematic for people with changing schedules

Feature Request S X Restore customization capabilities to the drivers display. Example: music trip energy etc The refreshed S X should have same software capabilities as the previous years S X like this... https: youtu.be 0m29x374tKA

11261h7

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Fully customizable Schedule Departure. Current implementation of either work days or all days is problematic for people with changing schedules

Where Tesla vision

11e6q90

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

When backing up in reverse and you hit something else like the music app DO NOT get rid of the backup camera. Overlay it or something with other stuff you re trying to do or just not let you switch until you re done backing up.

Fix 360p bug on wifi hell for $10 mo we should get 720p on LTE

11e6q90

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

When backing up in reverse and you hit something else like the music app DO NOT get rid of the backup camera. Overlay it or something with other stuff you re trying to do or just not let you switch until you re done backing up.

Ambient mood interior lighting- all Teslas. Every luxury car competitor has ambient mood lighting. Power frunk- I dont use my frunk since it isnt powered- all Teslas. Garage door opener from factory- model 3 and y. - most Tesla owners own a home as its annoying to deal with EVs with most apartments vs homes. WTF is Tesla charging $350 to add a basic feature. You cant event clip the opener on my Ys sun visor since the visor is curved

11e6q90

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

When backing up in reverse and you hit something else like the music app DO NOT get rid of the backup camera. Overlay it or something with other stuff you re trying to do or just not let you switch until you re done backing up.

Show navigation options (like Waze) with a button and travel time distance.

124nzy0

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Sentry Mode event replay should playback closer to the event. It takes too long to wait and moving the slider is inaccurate.

- stop changing screen brightness after disengaging reengaging auto drive - wishful thinking but nagless fsd drives. This would give more value to the $15K price tag + you get to actually experience fsd hands free

124nzy0

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Sentry Mode event replay should playback closer to the event. It takes too long to wait and moving the slider is inaccurate.

While it is easy to add ideas to a thread forum links quickly become unwieldy with duplicates are difficult to categorize and can become full of items long ago implemented. Anyway I ve been maintaining a database of searchable desired Tesla features for the last 10 years that I also edit for clarity (and filter out the impossible). If you re interested or want to add your desired feature or comment on features check it out at: [https: teslatap.com features ](https: teslatap.com features ) So far over 300 of these suggestions at TeslaTap have been implemented by Tesla with about 700 suggestions pending.

124nzy0

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Sentry Mode event replay should playback closer to the event. It takes too long to wait and moving the slider is inaccurate.

Ability to connect a HID device to one of the USB ports and assign keys to different controls. Would open up a whole market of awesome accessories. My dream would be if I could connect the Elgato Stream Deck and use it to control different functions in the car.

12ij3x5

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Just fix the automatic wiper already. It is embarrassing. I would join a full self wiping beta.

* I want the old Smart Summon process back in the Tesla app. To expand on this more currently the Smart Summon function requires you to be within the 213ft before you can start *anything* Smart Summon related. **Previously** the app permitted us to set the target of Go to Target *before* we were in the 213ft bubble. The newer behavior has basically made it useless to me because forcing me to wait until I m in the bubble lengthens the time it takes for me to connect to the car set the target and meet the car there. Previously I could ve had the car woken up and primed then when I crossed into range the I could start summoning the car and meet it half way or wherever I sent it to met it. * Weather overlay on the map * Talk to the NHTSA about maybe getting a max of 5mph offset as that tends to be legal in most places. In Florida you can go up to 5mph over the limit and only get a warning. Leaving the offset there but not the specific number is silly and honestly makes me more inclined to speed. * I d like the ability to pre-plot an FSD route as I m finding that some of the routes are perfect but not tailored towards what conditions will be like. Best example is that when I go to pick up my kids from school I have to choose a destination that isn t the school but a street or two away so I can make sure I m at the back of the car rider line. In other cases there s just more efficient ways of getting from Point A to Point B that the car isn t aware of because it s not familiar with the area. I d also like to be able to turn off lane changing altogether. I understand the concept behind Route based lane changes only [This video](https: youtu.be FJOfekBSK5U?t=63) shows that the car is changing lanes to Follow route however the lane change in question is a bad one because it needs to be in the right lanes to do the lane change. I m running into this in a few spots and it s new to FSD Beta v11.3.x. I understand the desire to make sure the car does everything however it isn t a Robotaxi yet and even when that s an option I still prefer to have more control over the car s functions. Currently if I hit the turn signal to cancel the lane change I have to do it repeatedly because it keeps trying. I d rather just be able to push a button and have it stop for a bit. **That** or improve your map data. * WiFi hotspot in the car for mobile devices like kid kindles. I d be fine with tiered premium connectivity where a lower tier grants what s currently out there and a higher tier includes the mobile hotspot feature including more bandwidth perhaps. Honestly I just want the Smart Summon process back to the way it was. Current one makes me not use it because the time to prime it and then use it is too long. I m not so lazy that I ll stop and call the car to me. Being able to have it meet me halfway was a *huge* bonus to using it and now it s just useless.

12ij3x5

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Just fix the automatic wiper already. It is embarrassing. I would join a full self wiping beta.

Usable horn on 2023 MX

12ij3x5

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Just fix the automatic wiper already. It is embarrassing. I would join a full self wiping beta.

Model S wing mirror cameras on the instrument display. Theme options for entry and exit displays. Theme for the main display. Zoom teams etc for Model S (pre refresh)

12yippz

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Birdseye view 360 camera view. Elon said we could do it with our existing cameras with software manipulation… but it never happened.

If you have multiple cars I want the ability to select a preferred car in the app for notification controls instead of just saying multiple cars are connected. I use the notification to open my frunk but now that my wife also has a Tesla now I have to go into the app and open it. I still want notifications on her car if mine is out of range.

12yippz

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Birdseye view 360 camera view. Elon said we could do it with our existing cameras with software manipulation… but it never happened.

Expand the explanatory messages to all icons E.g. just like you can tap on the regen icon and it will give you a helpful message about battery being full cold and regen being limited...but there are still some cryptic icons like speed limit icons with various subicons which would be nice to have some message for.

12yippz

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Birdseye view 360 camera view. Elon said we could do it with our existing cameras with software manipulation… but it never happened.

Create a setting to allow charge port door to open automatically when you park in your “Home” or “Work” geofence. (Reference Sentry Toggles) Every day when I get home I m tapping the charge port door or mashing the NACS button.

13cp4ky

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Highlight cars in your blindspot as yellow in the FSD visualization. Once they past the blind spot it can go back to gray. The color differential will make it much quicker to determine lane safety (not to replace mirrors of course but if you re already looking at the screen...)

- Sentry mode should work below down to 10% battery (20% + the 10% to avoid over charge is 99 miles of range not used) - Autopilot should permit disabling wipers (disengage AP if unsafe) - Setting search should find pin to drive - Pin to drive should be location aware (not required when parked in a garage at home work) - OS updates should be faster (like Android AB with a long 10 minute background install and a short 10 second reboot) - Alert volume should be selectable (Joe mode slider) - Recordings should include the B pillar interior cam and audio (may need to be an option depending on storage speed NVMe users only) - Charge and trip history data should be available in vehicle. - App is should be responsive for the vent command which currently will fail 9 10 times while lock and open trunk work instantly every time. - Browser should support the Media Session API and permit AV out via WebRTC. - Climate - - rear fan setting should not reset on every drive - - Rear seat heaters should have an auto setting (like the front) - Navigation - - should have the option to avoid international border crossings - - Favorites should be shown on the map - - should copy abrp features - Zoom - - links in the browser should open the app - - the app should not drop audio or have a reconnect option - - the app should remember room and pass - - the web browser works better in all those ways

13cp4ky

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Highlight cars in your blindspot as yellow in the FSD visualization. Once they past the blind spot it can go back to gray. The color differential will make it much quicker to determine lane safety (not to replace mirrors of course but if you re already looking at the screen...)

* I want the old Smart Summon process back in the Tesla app. To expand on this more currently the Smart Summon function requires you to be within the 213ft before you can start anything Smart Summon related. Previously the app permitted us to set the target of Go to Target before we were in the 213ft bubble. The newer behavior has basically made it useless to me because forcing me to wait until I m in the bubble lengthens the time it takes for me to connect to the car set the target and meet the car there. Previously I could ve had the car woken up and primed then when I crossed into range the I could start summoning the car and meet it half way or wherever I sent it to met it. That s all I care about at the moment. I ve got a bigger list however I just want my old Smart Summon behavior in the app back. It s no neutered now... :(

13cp4ky

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

FSD connected to tesla account and not the car. FSD already adds no value to the car for resale so having it attached for that reason is useless. If it was attached to the account instead more people would feel more confident buying FSD knowing they will always have if even if they trade in their old tesla or have their old one is totaled or even if they want to buy if now for whenever it s ready in the future (early adopter) If it was attached to the account then you will always have FSD whenever you need to rent a tesla for any reason or were given a loaner tesla if yours was in the shop. This can be done easily since we are now able to sync profiles between cars.

- Sentry mode should work below down to 10% battery (20% + the 10% to avoid over charge is 99 miles of range not used) - Autopilot should permit disabling wipers (disengage AP if unsafe) - Setting search should find pin to drive - Pin to drive should be location aware (not required when parked in a garage at home work) - OS updates should be faster (like Android AB with a long 10 minute background install and a short 10 second reboot) - Alert volume should be selectable (Joe mode slider) - Recordings should include the B pillar interior cam and audio (may need to be an option depending on storage speed NVMe users only) - Charge and trip history data should be available in vehicle. - App is should be responsive for the vent command which currently will fail 9 10 times while lock and open trunk work instantly every time. - Browser should support the Media Session API and permit AV out via WebRTC. - Climate - - rear fan setting should not reset on every drive - - Rear seat heaters should have an auto setting (like the front) - Navigation - - should have the option to avoid international border crossings - - Favorites should be shown on the map - - should copy abrp features - Zoom - - links in the browser should open the app - - the app should not drop audio or have a reconnect option - - the app should remember room and pass - - the web browser works better in all those ways

13pnu6t

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

“Maintenance minder” to track history of tire rotations replacements filter changes etc. Edit: Probably low on the list but if full Track Mode isn t to be released to non-P cars (understandable) then an ESC-Sport option would be nice to have.

Built in to the UI food delivery services that the car will configure based on supercharger arrival location. -Plug in destination -have option in trip settings maybe? -order through one of the several companies that independent contract for food delivery -car calculates arrival time etc -food delivery arrives within ~5 minutes of getting to the charger No more needing to stop prior to charging on road-trips for eating if you re looking for something fast.

13pnu6t

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

“Maintenance minder” to track history of tire rotations replacements filter changes etc. Edit: Probably low on the list but if full Track Mode isn t to be released to non-P cars (understandable) then an ESC-Sport option would be nice to have.

• ⁠voice command to “google” things where it opens web browser to the google search results. • ⁠Sentry mode should jump 5 seconds before event with camera in focus. • ⁠Improve sound quality of Apple Music. • ⁠Disengage cruise control when auto pilot disengages as an option. • ⁠Passcode to open frunk option. • ⁠Add an auto recalibrate windows button. • ⁠roll up windows if it s raining • ⁠when new settings are added with updates there should be a review changes option where you can quickly set settings without looking for them in settings. Extra bonus if it gives option to apply for all driver profiles. • ⁠ability to always show superchargers on map that are nearby. - phone app in addition to saying how long it will take to charge it should say what time it will be when completed if less then 24 hours of charging is required.

13pnu6t

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

“Maintenance minder” to track history of tire rotations replacements filter changes etc. Edit: Probably low on the list but if full Track Mode isn t to be released to non-P cars (understandable) then an ESC-Sport option would be nice to have.

Ability to tap on the temperature and bring up a small pop up summary of the expected weather in the area that you re in over the day.

142fbw9

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Basic autopilot allowing manual lane changes without disengaging. In my Volvo with lane keeping engaged I can indicate which temporarily disables lane keeping I change lanes manually then lane keeping automatically re-engages. Coming to a Model 3 it s frustrating having to press down on the stalk twice after every lane change.

Thank you tesla for listening! They finally made the backup camera persistent.

142fbw9

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Basic autopilot allowing manual lane changes without disengaging. In my Volvo with lane keeping engaged I can indicate which temporarily disables lane keeping I change lanes manually then lane keeping automatically re-engages. Coming to a Model 3 it s frustrating having to press down on the stalk twice after every lane change.

Feature for 3 Y: Dumb speed limiter mode for city driving Explanation: in EU there are strict speed limits in the city (30 km h or 50 km h) and it is troublesome to maintain the exact speed by feathering the throttle. There should be a dumb speed limiter mode which prevents car accelerating beyond the speed limit. Kinda like TACC but without self-acceleration and self-braking. This feature is pretty standard in all modern cars from VW UP to Mercedes S

142fbw9

Feature Request Megathread Hey Everyone! If you could try to format feature requests by model if needed with a small description and scenario. Also while trying to keep it realistic within the software realm and currently known hardware realm. These will post every 2 weeks.

Basic autopilot allowing manual lane changes without disengaging. In my Volvo with lane keeping engaged I can indicate which temporarily disables lane keeping I change lanes manually then lane keeping automatically re-engages. Coming to a Model 3 it s frustrating having to press down on the stalk twice after every lane change.

Direct integration with apple car keys on the Apple Watch. “Optimized charging” integration with my utility EV rate plan. Native support for third-party apps such as Waze Google Apple maps SoundCloud etc. Hopefully that would incentivize the third parties to maintain their Tesla apps instead of the stock media apps constantly breaking with software updates. If Tesla wants to license their software to other EV makers this one would be huge. I d really like to see some sort of iOS Android integration into the software as well more than the basic messaging and phone apps. I doubt this would ever happen but it would be really really sweet to connect a Bluetooth capable radar detector to the MCU for native control. The ultimate stealth install. Also imagine if there was native control of third party lighting kits etc right in the main screen. The cars could become totally customizable. The trick would be controlling the software in a way that it s not terribly buggy bloated or a security concern. I ve mentioned these others in a previous mega thread: A built in maintenance minder maintenance log would be nice. Could even integrate it with Tesla service history so that automatically populates. The tire rotation reminder that was recently added is a step in the right direction. I d like the ability to use standard non-traffic aware cruise control. “sport” ESC mode on the non performance cars. Edit: this is buried by now but I thought of a couple more. The car being able to detect if it is parked in my home garage (disable sentry mode) or outside (enable sentry mode) would be a HUGE plus. Other people have said auto steer re-enabling automatically after a lane change and I agree. I d like a high-color UI theme (or other themes for that matter) it would help my eyes catch certain elements much more easily with a quick glance while on the move. The current UI is very low contrast which takes more visual effort.

17mvnys

Tesla is doing paid ads now in front of other EVs in searches &#x200B [So much for not being like other auto companies](https: preview.redd.it vf3v4ar025yb1.png?width=675&format=png&auto=webp&s=9f49c8729c7b3e061517ab04bbfa6854d8212575)

Tesla investors wanted ads.

I bet this really works once you price compare majority of people will vote with their wallets.

17mvnys

Tesla is doing paid ads now in front of other EVs in searches &#x200B [So much for not being like other auto companies](https: preview.redd.it vf3v4ar025yb1.png?width=675&format=png&auto=webp&s=9f49c8729c7b3e061517ab04bbfa6854d8212575)

Tesla investors wanted ads.

Good for owners. Instead of offering direct discounts advertisements help maintain the value of Tesla vehicles.

17mvnys

Tesla is doing paid ads now in front of other EVs in searches &#x200B [So much for not being like other auto companies](https: preview.redd.it vf3v4ar025yb1.png?width=675&format=png&auto=webp&s=9f49c8729c7b3e061517ab04bbfa6854d8212575)

Tesla investors wanted ads.

Who cares 🤷🏻‍♂️

17uqzcn

2023 Holiday Update Wish List It s almost time for the annual Holiday update! What would you like to see Tesla include this year? For reference here s what they have included in the past: [https: www.notateslaapp.com news 1108 5-years-of-tesla-holiday-updates](https: www.notateslaapp.com news 1108 5-years-of-tesla-holiday-updates)

* Traffic lights and stop signs on the map it s the number 1 thing I miss from Apple Maps CarPlay. It makes it much easier to figure out which upcoming intersection you re supposed to turn at * FSD visualizer for non-FSD cars. Can even be used as a selling point for FSD: “look what your car can understand! Don t you want to pay a ton of money to let it drive based on this?” * 3D buildings on the map * The improved auto wiper AI that Elon said was gonna arrive back in July * More precise and accurate vision park assist

Not holiday related but can we get a different beep for the rear than the sides and front? As you ll know the car beeps a lot when parking especially in tight spaces or parallel. But imo the rear beep needs to be different as it s the most important.

17uqzcn

2023 Holiday Update Wish List It s almost time for the annual Holiday update! What would you like to see Tesla include this year? For reference here s what they have included in the past: [https: www.notateslaapp.com news 1108 5-years-of-tesla-holiday-updates](https: www.notateslaapp.com news 1108 5-years-of-tesla-holiday-updates)

* Traffic lights and stop signs on the map it s the number 1 thing I miss from Apple Maps CarPlay. It makes it much easier to figure out which upcoming intersection you re supposed to turn at * FSD visualizer for non-FSD cars. Can even be used as a selling point for FSD: “look what your car can understand! Don t you want to pay a ton of money to let it drive based on this?” * 3D buildings on the map * The improved auto wiper AI that Elon said was gonna arrive back in July * More precise and accurate vision park assist

Voice commands to report map errors.

17uqzcn

2023 Holiday Update Wish List It s almost time for the annual Holiday update! What would you like to see Tesla include this year? For reference here s what they have included in the past: [https: www.notateslaapp.com news 1108 5-years-of-tesla-holiday-updates](https: www.notateslaapp.com news 1108 5-years-of-tesla-holiday-updates)

* Traffic lights and stop signs on the map it s the number 1 thing I miss from Apple Maps CarPlay. It makes it much easier to figure out which upcoming intersection you re supposed to turn at * FSD visualizer for non-FSD cars. Can even be used as a selling point for FSD: “look what your car can understand! Don t you want to pay a ton of money to let it drive based on this?” * 3D buildings on the map * The improved auto wiper AI that Elon said was gonna arrive back in July * More precise and accurate vision park assist

10-15px screen border coloring to indicate proximity and direction to obstacles.

17zy3p1

Cybertruck is designed to be the world s toughest truck 11 000 lbs towing 2 500 payload [https: twitter.com blkmdl3 status 1726666203798843774](https: twitter.com blkmdl3 status 1726666203798843774)

I m not sure these specs are high enough for my use case. I will be driving around town and picking up an appliance from Home Depot 2 or 3 time over the next 5 years.

Is toughness defined as towing capacity now?

17zy3p1

Cybertruck is designed to be the world s toughest truck 11 000 lbs towing 2 500 payload [https: twitter.com blkmdl3 status 1726666203798843774](https: twitter.com blkmdl3 status 1726666203798843774)

I m not sure these specs are high enough for my use case. I will be driving around town and picking up an appliance from Home Depot 2 or 3 time over the next 5 years.

I love the typo for “exoskelton”

17zy3p1

Cybertruck is designed to be the world s toughest truck 11 000 lbs towing 2 500 payload [https: twitter.com blkmdl3 status 1726666203798843774](https: twitter.com blkmdl3 status 1726666203798843774)

I m not sure these specs are high enough for my use case. I will be driving around town and picking up an appliance from Home Depot 2 or 3 time over the next 5 years.

So exoskeleton confirmed?

1828rny

“A new study shows the cost of owning an electric vehicle as $17 a gallon” This really pisses me off. You have to assume the auto makers are behind this BS. I ve owned Tesla s for since the beginning and my costs are for cheaper than ICE. https: www.thestreet.com electric-vehicles electric-vehicle-tesla-adoption-curve-cost#:~:text=Combined%2C%20the%20report%20found%20that per%20equivalent%20gallon%20of%20gasoline.

Report is by the Texas Public Policy Foundation. https: en.m.wikipedia.org wiki Texas_Public_Policy_Foundation “Projects of the organization include Right on Crime which is focused on criminal justice reform [4] and Fueling Freedom which seeks to explain the forgotten moral case for fossil fuels [5] by rejecting the scientific consensus on climate change.[6]” “Donors to the organization include energy companies Chevron ExxonMobil and other fossil fuel interests.”

Texas Public Policy Foundation Do they count the cost of extracting refining and transporting fossil fuels and the construction cost of gas stations gas car operating costs too?

1828rny

“A new study shows the cost of owning an electric vehicle as $17 a gallon” This really pisses me off. You have to assume the auto makers are behind this BS. I ve owned Tesla s for since the beginning and my costs are for cheaper than ICE. https: www.thestreet.com electric-vehicles electric-vehicle-tesla-adoption-curve-cost#:~:text=Combined%2C%20the%20report%20found%20that per%20equivalent%20gallon%20of%20gasoline.

Report is by the Texas Public Policy Foundation. https: en.m.wikipedia.org wiki Texas_Public_Policy_Foundation “Projects of the organization include Right on Crime which is focused on criminal justice reform [4] and Fueling Freedom which seeks to explain the forgotten moral case for fossil fuels [5] by rejecting the scientific consensus on climate change.[6]” “Donors to the organization include energy companies Chevron ExxonMobil and other fossil fuel interests.”

Texans trying to protect their oil and gas industry interests.

1828rny

“A new study shows the cost of owning an electric vehicle as $17 a gallon” This really pisses me off. You have to assume the auto makers are behind this BS. I ve owned Tesla s for since the beginning and my costs are for cheaper than ICE. https: www.thestreet.com electric-vehicles electric-vehicle-tesla-adoption-curve-cost#:~:text=Combined%2C%20the%20report%20found%20that per%20equivalent%20gallon%20of%20gasoline.

Report is by the Texas Public Policy Foundation. https: en.m.wikipedia.org wiki Texas_Public_Policy_Foundation “Projects of the organization include Right on Crime which is focused on criminal justice reform [4] and Fueling Freedom which seeks to explain the forgotten moral case for fossil fuels [5] by rejecting the scientific consensus on climate change.[6]” “Donors to the organization include energy companies Chevron ExxonMobil and other fossil fuel interests.”

**Texas Public Policy Foundation** \\- Projects of the organization include [Right on Crime](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Right_on_Crime) which is focused on criminal justice reform and **Fueling Freedom** **which seeks to explain the forgotten moral case for fossil fuels by rejecting the** [**scientific consensus on climate change**](https: en.wikipedia.org wiki Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change)**. **

182wouy

Elon Musk confirms FSD 12 rolling out to employees [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1728092253040545847 ](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1728092253040545847?s=61&t=agIjfOlVBUiwgbwfFyvTkA) he just said Yes . looks like 2023.38.10 has FSD 12

Yay maybe I can get working windshield wipers in my 4 year old car!

So some time in the first half of 2024 it will be released to customers. Probably.

182wouy

Elon Musk confirms FSD 12 rolling out to employees [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1728092253040545847 ](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1728092253040545847?s=61&t=agIjfOlVBUiwgbwfFyvTkA) he just said Yes . looks like 2023.38.10 has FSD 12

This is the version that is and end-to-end neural net that doesn t rely on a million if else statements?

This could be the step change. Yeah yeah you ve heard it before. What would be good indicators? My guess - smoother right away and future updates come pretty fast with substantive improvements. What are your indicators or keys?

182wouy

Elon Musk confirms FSD 12 rolling out to employees [https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1728092253040545847 ](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1728092253040545847?s=61&t=agIjfOlVBUiwgbwfFyvTkA) he just said Yes . looks like 2023.38.10 has FSD 12

This is the version that is and end-to-end neural net that doesn t rely on a million if else statements?

None of these updates excite me anymore. I rarely see FSD improvements. The last one was 10.0 but I still don t feel comfortable using it EVER. I trust driving with my knees over FSD since it is so unpredictable even after 4+ years for me personally.

1842pws

Crowds line up to see Cybertruck [https: twitter.com i status 1728614475400630426](https: twitter.com i status 1728614475400630426) [https: twitter.com Teslaconomics status 1728545629037842578](https: twitter.com Teslaconomics status 1728545629037842578) [https: pbs.twimg.com media F\\_zuCJyaoAASpeD?format=jpg&name=large](https: pbs.twimg.com media F_zuCJyaoAASpeD?format=jpg&name=large)

Fucking brilliant and cost-effective market by Tesla once again. Thanksgiving weekend malls are packed - “Did you guys see the Cybertruck??” “Wait really? Is that finally coming out?” - “Yeah like next week!! It s at the Tesla store right now!” “Holy shit call your mom let s go see it”

It s gonna be the iPhone of pickup trucks. Refer back to this comment when it happens.

184t7c8

Key Fob Safety from Hacking? Just got the Tesla Key Fob. Wanted to know how safe is it from hacking and relay attacks compared to the keycard? I do have Pin to Drive as an extra step.

Just use pin to drive.

Apparently Tesla keyfobs use Bluetooth so would be different from the RF spoofing they use for other keyfobs... But it is still possible to spoof Bluetooth. Even phone keys would be susceptible to that but at least you can put your fob into a Faraday box.

184t7c8

Key Fob Safety from Hacking? Just got the Tesla Key Fob. Wanted to know how safe is it from hacking and relay attacks compared to the keycard? I do have Pin to Drive as an extra step.

Just use pin to drive.

The fobs and phone keys are susceptible to relay attacks but Tesla reduced the range of the fobs and phone keys a while back (to our great annoyance). So it s harder to do a successful attack now.

184t7c8

Key Fob Safety from Hacking? Just got the Tesla Key Fob. Wanted to know how safe is it from hacking and relay attacks compared to the keycard? I do have Pin to Drive as an extra step.

Just use pin to drive.

Do people actually steal Teslas? They re very easy to locate.

1855br1

Tesla sues Swedish state and postal service Source: [https: www.ft.com content e86693fa-f09e-4a2e-a335-94cbc2eb4f8b](https: www.ft.com content e86693fa-f09e-4a2e-a335-94cbc2eb4f8b)

According to Aftonbladet just now Tesla got a temporary permission to pick up the license plates themselves until the lawsuit is resolved. The source was a lawyer for Tesla.

Does confiscation of mail constitute theft in Sweden?

1855br1

Tesla sues Swedish state and postal service Source: [https: www.ft.com content e86693fa-f09e-4a2e-a335-94cbc2eb4f8b](https: www.ft.com content e86693fa-f09e-4a2e-a335-94cbc2eb4f8b)

According to Aftonbladet just now Tesla got a temporary permission to pick up the license plates themselves until the lawsuit is resolved. The source was a lawyer for Tesla.

Looks like tesla already won this lawsuit. https: x.com sawyermerritt status 1729176190886580479?s=46&t=OZfEh1LEBEYWhom60iMvRA

1855br1

Tesla sues Swedish state and postal service Source: [https: www.ft.com content e86693fa-f09e-4a2e-a335-94cbc2eb4f8b](https: www.ft.com content e86693fa-f09e-4a2e-a335-94cbc2eb4f8b)

According to Aftonbladet just now Tesla got a temporary permission to pick up the license plates themselves until the lawsuit is resolved. The source was a lawyer for Tesla.

Grabs popcorn

1864wq2

My thoughts on upgrading from a 2022 Model 3 Performance to a Model S (standard not Plaid) TLDR If you are driving a Model 3 Performance the base Model S with standard wheels is a *very* nice upgrade. Context: I had a 2019 Model 3 Performance. Loved it. It was leased so switched to a 2022 Model 3 Performance. The 2019 had better fit and finish than the 2022. The 2022 s battery also degraded faster than the older car. I probably lucked out and got a peach 2019 but whatever. Both cars were excellent fun. That said the crashy suspension was starting to annoy me and I wanted more range. So got a base 2023 Model S with the standard wheels for range and comfort. Ordered Midnight Silver it got changed to Stealth Grey. So here are my thoughts on the differences between a Model 3 Performance and a standard Model S: - The Model S is much better looking (duh). - The fit and finish is pretty good - the panel gaps are a little wider than I would like but I don t have any alignment issues. It is better than the Model 3 - my Model 3 s trunk was slightly out of square causing a slight jiggle when closing. - The initial paint quality is excellent. So was the Model 3. As to how it holds up over time I do not know. I have PPF on the front. - The performance is similar. I know it is supposed to be a bit faster (same 0 to 60 but the Model S measures it without the 1 foot rollout) but the difference is too small to notice. They are both so so fast. - The handling is good but I can feel that the car is larger to drive. I have to pay a bit more attention to keep the car centered in the lane and when turning. As for actual handling I don t drive at the limit so both seem equally capable to me. - The S is *much* more comfortable! I knew that going in but the difference is pretty stark. Now I probably would have had better comfort if I had the standard wheels on my Model 3 rather than the larger performance wheels but I still think the S is more comfortable. - The S is much quieter inside. Much less noise coming in from the outside. Overall just a nicer more comfortable quieter cabin. - Having the front instrument panel made zero difference to my life. I have no idea why auto journalists whine about needing a front IP. - I like the new gear selecting mechanism. The sliding up and down on the center panel is actually not bad at all. I was worried that I would hate it (I am a shorter person and worried about having to continuously reach for it) but no works fine. Coupled with the automatic gear selection (where the car guesses the gear it should be in) it s a good solution. The *only* time I struggle is when I reverse in a parking lot then have to reach over and move the slider up to move forward. That adds a couple hundred milliseconds to that process. On the whole I would still prefer a stalk but I feel like do get something with the new system. - Having the turning indicator buttons on the steering wheel is stupid unsafe and aggravating to use. Using the buttons when you are driving straight and want to make a turn is simple. Anything else is hard to do because the buttons move with the wheels which means you are never sure where they are. If you need to make several turns and lane changes in succession it is very disorienting and you end up clicking the wrong button or missing it entirely. The first company to offer a kit to add a turning stalk is getting my money. Honestly Tesla needs to retrofit these cars with a stalk. And bonus issue. When you are changing lanes the signal automatically turns off after one lane change. So if you are making 2 lane changes in quick succession you *have* to use the turn signal twice. This whole thing is the single stupidest thing about this car. Comparing this to the Model 3 is moot since the new Model 3 is getting the same garbage system. - The luggage space is better in the Model S. The trunk the space under the trunk and the frunk are all larger. - I really like the center console - the multiple sliding mechanisms work well and help keep your stuff organized. - The carpets are plusher. Getting all weather mats so this really doesn t matter much to me. - Just overall the cabin is a nice upgrade over the Model 3 - all the materials seem a touch better. - Really like the rotating feature of the center screen. I have it oriented towards the driver and it does make a difference. - The larger screen is nice but the Model 3 was pretty excellent in this regard as well. - The sound system in the Model 3 was very good the one in the Model S is better. That s all I can think off. Feel free to ask questions in the comments below if you care.

So it turns out that spending an extra $25k on a car does get you something. Ok but seriously it s good to see a comparison. I ve been considering upgrading to an S for a while now and I would probably do it if they allow for FSD to be transferred once again

>When you are changing lanes the signal automatically turns off after one lane change. So if you are making 2 lane changes in quick succession you *have* to use the turn signal twice. This whole thing is the single stupidest thing about this car. Comparing this to the Model 3 is moot since the new Model 3 is getting the same garbage system. On my 2019 Model 3 I can enable or disable the auto turn signals like this: [https: www.notateslaapp.com news 1114 tesla-s-auto-cancel-turn-signals-and-how-they-work](https: www.notateslaapp.com news 1114 tesla-s-auto-cancel-turn-signals-and-how-they-work) Maybe you can also disable this feature on your Model S?

1864wq2

My thoughts on upgrading from a 2022 Model 3 Performance to a Model S (standard not Plaid) TLDR If you are driving a Model 3 Performance the base Model S with standard wheels is a *very* nice upgrade. Context: I had a 2019 Model 3 Performance. Loved it. It was leased so switched to a 2022 Model 3 Performance. The 2019 had better fit and finish than the 2022. The 2022 s battery also degraded faster than the older car. I probably lucked out and got a peach 2019 but whatever. Both cars were excellent fun. That said the crashy suspension was starting to annoy me and I wanted more range. So got a base 2023 Model S with the standard wheels for range and comfort. Ordered Midnight Silver it got changed to Stealth Grey. So here are my thoughts on the differences between a Model 3 Performance and a standard Model S: - The Model S is much better looking (duh). - The fit and finish is pretty good - the panel gaps are a little wider than I would like but I don t have any alignment issues. It is better than the Model 3 - my Model 3 s trunk was slightly out of square causing a slight jiggle when closing. - The initial paint quality is excellent. So was the Model 3. As to how it holds up over time I do not know. I have PPF on the front. - The performance is similar. I know it is supposed to be a bit faster (same 0 to 60 but the Model S measures it without the 1 foot rollout) but the difference is too small to notice. They are both so so fast. - The handling is good but I can feel that the car is larger to drive. I have to pay a bit more attention to keep the car centered in the lane and when turning. As for actual handling I don t drive at the limit so both seem equally capable to me. - The S is *much* more comfortable! I knew that going in but the difference is pretty stark. Now I probably would have had better comfort if I had the standard wheels on my Model 3 rather than the larger performance wheels but I still think the S is more comfortable. - The S is much quieter inside. Much less noise coming in from the outside. Overall just a nicer more comfortable quieter cabin. - Having the front instrument panel made zero difference to my life. I have no idea why auto journalists whine about needing a front IP. - I like the new gear selecting mechanism. The sliding up and down on the center panel is actually not bad at all. I was worried that I would hate it (I am a shorter person and worried about having to continuously reach for it) but no works fine. Coupled with the automatic gear selection (where the car guesses the gear it should be in) it s a good solution. The *only* time I struggle is when I reverse in a parking lot then have to reach over and move the slider up to move forward. That adds a couple hundred milliseconds to that process. On the whole I would still prefer a stalk but I feel like do get something with the new system. - Having the turning indicator buttons on the steering wheel is stupid unsafe and aggravating to use. Using the buttons when you are driving straight and want to make a turn is simple. Anything else is hard to do because the buttons move with the wheels which means you are never sure where they are. If you need to make several turns and lane changes in succession it is very disorienting and you end up clicking the wrong button or missing it entirely. The first company to offer a kit to add a turning stalk is getting my money. Honestly Tesla needs to retrofit these cars with a stalk. And bonus issue. When you are changing lanes the signal automatically turns off after one lane change. So if you are making 2 lane changes in quick succession you *have* to use the turn signal twice. This whole thing is the single stupidest thing about this car. Comparing this to the Model 3 is moot since the new Model 3 is getting the same garbage system. - The luggage space is better in the Model S. The trunk the space under the trunk and the frunk are all larger. - I really like the center console - the multiple sliding mechanisms work well and help keep your stuff organized. - The carpets are plusher. Getting all weather mats so this really doesn t matter much to me. - Just overall the cabin is a nice upgrade over the Model 3 - all the materials seem a touch better. - Really like the rotating feature of the center screen. I have it oriented towards the driver and it does make a difference. - The larger screen is nice but the Model 3 was pretty excellent in this regard as well. - The sound system in the Model 3 was very good the one in the Model S is better. That s all I can think off. Feel free to ask questions in the comments below if you care.

So it turns out that spending an extra $25k on a car does get you something. Ok but seriously it s good to see a comparison. I ve been considering upgrading to an S for a while now and I would probably do it if they allow for FSD to be transferred once again

You can turn off the auto signal off after Lane change

1864wq2

My thoughts on upgrading from a 2022 Model 3 Performance to a Model S (standard not Plaid) TLDR If you are driving a Model 3 Performance the base Model S with standard wheels is a *very* nice upgrade. Context: I had a 2019 Model 3 Performance. Loved it. It was leased so switched to a 2022 Model 3 Performance. The 2019 had better fit and finish than the 2022. The 2022 s battery also degraded faster than the older car. I probably lucked out and got a peach 2019 but whatever. Both cars were excellent fun. That said the crashy suspension was starting to annoy me and I wanted more range. So got a base 2023 Model S with the standard wheels for range and comfort. Ordered Midnight Silver it got changed to Stealth Grey. So here are my thoughts on the differences between a Model 3 Performance and a standard Model S: - The Model S is much better looking (duh). - The fit and finish is pretty good - the panel gaps are a little wider than I would like but I don t have any alignment issues. It is better than the Model 3 - my Model 3 s trunk was slightly out of square causing a slight jiggle when closing. - The initial paint quality is excellent. So was the Model 3. As to how it holds up over time I do not know. I have PPF on the front. - The performance is similar. I know it is supposed to be a bit faster (same 0 to 60 but the Model S measures it without the 1 foot rollout) but the difference is too small to notice. They are both so so fast. - The handling is good but I can feel that the car is larger to drive. I have to pay a bit more attention to keep the car centered in the lane and when turning. As for actual handling I don t drive at the limit so both seem equally capable to me. - The S is *much* more comfortable! I knew that going in but the difference is pretty stark. Now I probably would have had better comfort if I had the standard wheels on my Model 3 rather than the larger performance wheels but I still think the S is more comfortable. - The S is much quieter inside. Much less noise coming in from the outside. Overall just a nicer more comfortable quieter cabin. - Having the front instrument panel made zero difference to my life. I have no idea why auto journalists whine about needing a front IP. - I like the new gear selecting mechanism. The sliding up and down on the center panel is actually not bad at all. I was worried that I would hate it (I am a shorter person and worried about having to continuously reach for it) but no works fine. Coupled with the automatic gear selection (where the car guesses the gear it should be in) it s a good solution. The *only* time I struggle is when I reverse in a parking lot then have to reach over and move the slider up to move forward. That adds a couple hundred milliseconds to that process. On the whole I would still prefer a stalk but I feel like do get something with the new system. - Having the turning indicator buttons on the steering wheel is stupid unsafe and aggravating to use. Using the buttons when you are driving straight and want to make a turn is simple. Anything else is hard to do because the buttons move with the wheels which means you are never sure where they are. If you need to make several turns and lane changes in succession it is very disorienting and you end up clicking the wrong button or missing it entirely. The first company to offer a kit to add a turning stalk is getting my money. Honestly Tesla needs to retrofit these cars with a stalk. And bonus issue. When you are changing lanes the signal automatically turns off after one lane change. So if you are making 2 lane changes in quick succession you *have* to use the turn signal twice. This whole thing is the single stupidest thing about this car. Comparing this to the Model 3 is moot since the new Model 3 is getting the same garbage system. - The luggage space is better in the Model S. The trunk the space under the trunk and the frunk are all larger. - I really like the center console - the multiple sliding mechanisms work well and help keep your stuff organized. - The carpets are plusher. Getting all weather mats so this really doesn t matter much to me. - Just overall the cabin is a nice upgrade over the Model 3 - all the materials seem a touch better. - Really like the rotating feature of the center screen. I have it oriented towards the driver and it does make a difference. - The larger screen is nice but the Model 3 was pretty excellent in this regard as well. - The sound system in the Model 3 was very good the one in the Model S is better. That s all I can think off. Feel free to ask questions in the comments below if you care.

So it turns out that spending an extra $25k on a car does get you something. Ok but seriously it s good to see a comparison. I ve been considering upgrading to an S for a while now and I would probably do it if they allow for FSD to be transferred once again

Turn raaaaaaadius

186vt3h

No more Uber credit for warranty work (and only limited loaners) Bought a new Y on Saturday. It has a whistle (air leak at +60 mph). Service didn t happen to mention that all loaners are taken and Uber credits are a thing of the past. (Until I asked 1.5 hr into the appointment) I m not a happy camper.

From what the front desk told me once was that Uber credits are for services that are longer than 4 or so hours.

Hmmm I had an issue with my steering assist not only did I get Uber credits the 1st day I got a loaner the second day. This was in September I believe.

188n03w

Highland after 2k km I LOVE my model 3. Build quality has massively improved since the launch wy back when. The suspension and interiour noic have greatly improved. Driving in the highway without music is very very quiet. The doors and iverall build quality seems on a multituse better than the first model3s I got to ride in. After 2k km I only have two complaints: Indicators I live in a country with loads of roundabouts. In those situations the blinkers are really inconvenient. First exit is usually no problems as you have to indicate anyways bevore entering the roundabout. Secon or if you exit straight is still okay as you have your steeringwheel still in an normal orientation when you indicate. Exiting at the 270 degree (usually third exit) is a nightmare. I am starting to get to used to it but you have your steering wheel upside down so you have to do some mental gymnastics to hit the right button. I have on multiple occansions hit the wrong one which kind of sucks. However I think I will get to used to it but it takes time. Teslavision As it has been mentioned multiple times already teslavision is currently uselss. For parking it just draws lines wherever and beeps at me. Currently I think I would be better off if it was turned off completly and I could park normally without any “help” of it at all. Overall I am happy with my coice LOVE the stealth Grey color (looks way better then the old grey).

I will never understand trying to save a couple of dollars on parking sensors but then adding a touch screen to the back seat lol.

I have less than 500 km on mine I completely agree with this review

188n03w

Highland after 2k km I LOVE my model 3. Build quality has massively improved since the launch wy back when. The suspension and interiour noic have greatly improved. Driving in the highway without music is very very quiet. The doors and iverall build quality seems on a multituse better than the first model3s I got to ride in. After 2k km I only have two complaints: Indicators I live in a country with loads of roundabouts. In those situations the blinkers are really inconvenient. First exit is usually no problems as you have to indicate anyways bevore entering the roundabout. Secon or if you exit straight is still okay as you have your steeringwheel still in an normal orientation when you indicate. Exiting at the 270 degree (usually third exit) is a nightmare. I am starting to get to used to it but you have your steering wheel upside down so you have to do some mental gymnastics to hit the right button. I have on multiple occansions hit the wrong one which kind of sucks. However I think I will get to used to it but it takes time. Teslavision As it has been mentioned multiple times already teslavision is currently uselss. For parking it just draws lines wherever and beeps at me. Currently I think I would be better off if it was turned off completly and I could park normally without any “help” of it at all. Overall I am happy with my coice LOVE the stealth Grey color (looks way better then the old grey).

I will never understand trying to save a couple of dollars on parking sensors but then adding a touch screen to the back seat lol.

Useful review. There is only one roundabout within 20 miles of where I live and I already have Tesla Vision on my 23 and deal with it OK. So the highland might be ideal for me!

188n03w

Highland after 2k km I LOVE my model 3. Build quality has massively improved since the launch wy back when. The suspension and interiour noic have greatly improved. Driving in the highway without music is very very quiet. The doors and iverall build quality seems on a multituse better than the first model3s I got to ride in. After 2k km I only have two complaints: Indicators I live in a country with loads of roundabouts. In those situations the blinkers are really inconvenient. First exit is usually no problems as you have to indicate anyways bevore entering the roundabout. Secon or if you exit straight is still okay as you have your steeringwheel still in an normal orientation when you indicate. Exiting at the 270 degree (usually third exit) is a nightmare. I am starting to get to used to it but you have your steering wheel upside down so you have to do some mental gymnastics to hit the right button. I have on multiple occansions hit the wrong one which kind of sucks. However I think I will get to used to it but it takes time. Teslavision As it has been mentioned multiple times already teslavision is currently uselss. For parking it just draws lines wherever and beeps at me. Currently I think I would be better off if it was turned off completly and I could park normally without any “help” of it at all. Overall I am happy with my coice LOVE the stealth Grey color (looks way better then the old grey).

I will never understand trying to save a couple of dollars on parking sensors but then adding a touch screen to the back seat lol.

You mentioned a build quality improvement and quietness compared to first model 3s. What about the build quality between the last model 3 and noise levels? Did you someone have the chance to compare? I m curious about it since I own a 2023 model and I don t think it s noisy or badly built but I would like to have an opinion from someone who tested both. Thank you

18a4wb8

Man plotted mass casualty attack at Cybertruck event attended by Elon Musk in Texas officials say https: www.nbcnews.com news us-news man-plotted-mass-casualty-attack-cybertruck-event-attended-elon-musk-t-rcna127584

“he suspect also appeared to object to technology in modern life.” As he posts his threats on Instagram.

I wish the article would say were he was arrested. Was he still in Orlando or Austin?

18a4wb8

Man plotted mass casualty attack at Cybertruck event attended by Elon Musk in Texas officials say https: www.nbcnews.com news us-news man-plotted-mass-casualty-attack-cybertruck-event-attended-elon-musk-t-rcna127584

“he suspect also appeared to object to technology in modern life.” As he posts his threats on Instagram.

100% this guy is on reddit a lot.

18a4wb8

Man plotted mass casualty attack at Cybertruck event attended by Elon Musk in Texas officials say https: www.nbcnews.com news us-news man-plotted-mass-casualty-attack-cybertruck-event-attended-elon-musk-t-rcna127584

“he suspect also appeared to object to technology in modern life.” As he posts his threats on Instagram.

I was at the Delivery Event so reading this is a bit chilling. Debating whether or not I should even mention this to my wife.

18ae63e

Which Cybertruck features are likely to come to other models * Front Bumper Camera * Powered Frunk * 4 Wheel Steering * Steer by Wire * PowerShare (bi-directional charging) * Armor Glass (Side windows only) * 800v Battery Pack * 48v Low Voltage System * Gigabit Canbus

I just want a powered frunk functional parking assist and no panic breaking for shadows on my Model Y.

In theory the existing charger for most Teslas *could* do power share at least if the teardown commentary I have seen is to be trusted. So it becomes a question of battery longevity.

18ae63e

Which Cybertruck features are likely to come to other models * Front Bumper Camera * Powered Frunk * 4 Wheel Steering * Steer by Wire * PowerShare (bi-directional charging) * Armor Glass (Side windows only) * 800v Battery Pack * 48v Low Voltage System * Gigabit Canbus

I just want a powered frunk functional parking assist and no panic breaking for shadows on my Model Y.

i m optimistically hoping the 800v 4680 battery and 48v system comes to the refreshed Model 3 Highland Performance model as well as Steer by wire. Those things alone would make it quite special.

18ae63e

Which Cybertruck features are likely to come to other models * Front Bumper Camera * Powered Frunk * 4 Wheel Steering * Steer by Wire * PowerShare (bi-directional charging) * Armor Glass (Side windows only) * 800v Battery Pack * 48v Low Voltage System * Gigabit Canbus

I think the electronics definitely will get moved to all their cars eventually. I don t think 4-wheel steering will be worth doing on any smaller vehicles. I really hope they include PowerShare into all their cars but I doubt it.

In theory the existing charger for most Teslas *could* do power share at least if the teardown commentary I have seen is to be trusted. So it becomes a question of battery longevity.

18bgvq8

Cybertruck racing the Porsche 911 was only a 1 8 mile race I thought the Cybertruck pulling a trailer and racing the Porsche 992 seemed a bit odd. So I did a little digging. The race was at Sacramento Raceway. The first set of lines as seen in the video is the 1 8mi mark. The second set of lines is the 1 4mi mark and has timing boards next to the track. Based on the video they race to the first set of lines and the timing boards aren t present. So it was only a 1 8mi race. Very misleading. Information based on redditor [u manitou202](https: www.reddit.com user manitou202 ) Elon quoted as saying It can tow the Porsche 1 4 mile faster than a Porsche can drive it would appear to be incorrect. [1\\ 4 Mile Mark with timing boards \\(note no grandstands in view\\)](https: preview.redd.it jfppw0vlci4c1.jpg?width=2370&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1832a92c923fd98bdc89d964a5efc9f6906e5e0) &#x200B [1\\ 8 mile marks \\(also note location of the grandstands\\)](https: preview.redd.it y8jo3fwmci4c1.jpg?width=2370&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccf37abf5d719519f762a1d632e8e2f7c2b61921) &#x200B [First set of marks at 1\\ 8 mile \\(see grandstands\\)](https: preview.redd.it lrdtkbpqci4c1.jpg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e045b8d28042748937a0876b080daf2c1518b3ed) &#x200B [Finish at the 1\\ 8 mile \\(in front of grandstands\\)](https: preview.redd.it bysdw6jxci4c1.png?width=2880&format=png&auto=webp&s=eb10df4bb382c9553fc1346ef0a570879a8d0df6)

Waiting on that Porsche pulling a Cybertruck response video🤞🏻

They posted what they did for entertainment. The video would twice as long otherwise. If it handily won on an 1 8th track why would you assume to ‘have definitively proven that a CyberTruck would suddenly lose on a 1 4? Please explain your logic if there is any.

18bgvq8

Cybertruck racing the Porsche 911 was only a 1 8 mile race I thought the Cybertruck pulling a trailer and racing the Porsche 992 seemed a bit odd. So I did a little digging. The race was at Sacramento Raceway. The first set of lines as seen in the video is the 1 8mi mark. The second set of lines is the 1 4mi mark and has timing boards next to the track. Based on the video they race to the first set of lines and the timing boards aren t present. So it was only a 1 8mi race. Very misleading. Information based on redditor [u manitou202](https: www.reddit.com user manitou202 ) Elon quoted as saying It can tow the Porsche 1 4 mile faster than a Porsche can drive it would appear to be incorrect. [1\\ 4 Mile Mark with timing boards \\(note no grandstands in view\\)](https: preview.redd.it jfppw0vlci4c1.jpg?width=2370&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1832a92c923fd98bdc89d964a5efc9f6906e5e0) &#x200B [1\\ 8 mile marks \\(also note location of the grandstands\\)](https: preview.redd.it y8jo3fwmci4c1.jpg?width=2370&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccf37abf5d719519f762a1d632e8e2f7c2b61921) &#x200B [First set of marks at 1\\ 8 mile \\(see grandstands\\)](https: preview.redd.it lrdtkbpqci4c1.jpg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e045b8d28042748937a0876b080daf2c1518b3ed) &#x200B [Finish at the 1\\ 8 mile \\(in front of grandstands\\)](https: preview.redd.it bysdw6jxci4c1.png?width=2880&format=png&auto=webp&s=eb10df4bb382c9553fc1346ef0a570879a8d0df6)

Waiting on that Porsche pulling a Cybertruck response video🤞🏻

1 4 vs 1 8... Doesn t matter to me. Still a great demo.

18bgvq8

Cybertruck racing the Porsche 911 was only a 1 8 mile race I thought the Cybertruck pulling a trailer and racing the Porsche 992 seemed a bit odd. So I did a little digging. The race was at Sacramento Raceway. The first set of lines as seen in the video is the 1 8mi mark. The second set of lines is the 1 4mi mark and has timing boards next to the track. Based on the video they race to the first set of lines and the timing boards aren t present. So it was only a 1 8mi race. Very misleading. Information based on redditor [u manitou202](https: www.reddit.com user manitou202 ) Elon quoted as saying It can tow the Porsche 1 4 mile faster than a Porsche can drive it would appear to be incorrect. [1\\ 4 Mile Mark with timing boards \\(note no grandstands in view\\)](https: preview.redd.it jfppw0vlci4c1.jpg?width=2370&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b1832a92c923fd98bdc89d964a5efc9f6906e5e0) &#x200B [1\\ 8 mile marks \\(also note location of the grandstands\\)](https: preview.redd.it y8jo3fwmci4c1.jpg?width=2370&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ccf37abf5d719519f762a1d632e8e2f7c2b61921) &#x200B [First set of marks at 1\\ 8 mile \\(see grandstands\\)](https: preview.redd.it lrdtkbpqci4c1.jpg?width=2880&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e045b8d28042748937a0876b080daf2c1518b3ed) &#x200B [Finish at the 1\\ 8 mile \\(in front of grandstands\\)](https: preview.redd.it bysdw6jxci4c1.png?width=2880&format=png&auto=webp&s=eb10df4bb382c9553fc1346ef0a570879a8d0df6)

Waiting on that Porsche pulling a Cybertruck response video🤞🏻

I don t understand how people fail to see the amount of horsepower and the way the power is delivered here The carrera has 379 hp sent to the rear wheels with a transmission. The cyber truck has 845 and to all wheels and instantly. Despite these differences there s only a one second. On a commercial scale at a set of stop lights yes the cyber truck is faster and makes the child in he happy. But on the basis of ownership I can bet the Porsche owner is just as happy as the cybertruck owner if not more when he drives home. Just get what u fancy. Why is there a need for competition? We are car enthusiasts so we must embrace what we get.

1u2bsn

Buying Tesla s used in the future The year is 2025. You re 18 years old and have scrapped together enough cash to buy your first ever car. Somebody on Future! Craigslist is selling a used Tesla model E. They were a pretty well received car when they were new and can be had at around the price of a ten year old used car today. Is there anything new you d have to take into account when buying a used electric car? Would battery life or anything else make buying used more difficult or less worth the price?

Only a 17 inch touchscreen? Get real. This car had door handles? FAFL! (Future Acronym For Laughter)

By then the battery price should be down

1ucpkp

You shouldn t make Tesla your religion Seriously. Every single comment in this sub is about how awesome Tesla is and how unquestionable Elon Musk. When someone points out that a replacement battery pack is very expensive all you answer is I hope they make a lot of money out of it and bring forward their company. When somebody says that he is uncomfortable with the little head space on the second row you reply People don t sit straight in cars anyway. You downvote every skeptical comment and upvote everything that sounds like Tesla is the best company in the world and the Model S the best car. Don t get me wrong. I like the idea of Tesla and EVs I think the Model S is a very good car and I like where they say they re going BUT: It is a company! They have a product! Don t defend them over everything. If they have flaws point them out rather than cover them up. Tesla has to compete against other companies on the market and if somebody gives you a better product for a lower price you shouldn t buy a Tesla then. I understand that there aren t comparable products from other companies available at the moment (and I have great respect for Tesla that they make one!) but as soon as they come (when there will Mercedes S Audi A8 and BMW 7 as EVs) the Model S will be measured by more than just it s unique status. And then it doesn t look very good anymore because it lacks a lot of features the other luxury cars have (light matrix massage seats steering and lane changing support and automation ...) So as said: I like Tesla I m thankful that they are stiring up the car market and I understand that they will develop and get better but please: Let them get better. Don t defend everything. Don t make a company your religion.

&gt Every single comment in this sub is about how awesome Tesla is and how unquestionable Elon Musk. Really? Every one? You had to make-up misquote people to try and make your point. If you want to have a genuine discussion don t make your first sentence so hyperbolic and absurd. This is your first comment on this sub and you ve been on reddit for a month. Why not join in the conversation first? Yea this is a sub about a brand of car. Is it any surprise that the people here would be enthusiastic about it? Does that make us fanatics? Probably. Does that make us blind or in denial about areas of improvement? Hell no. The people here are the early adopters. They can see past the growing pains or the disinformation or the naysayers. They can see the potential. If anything I think we hold Tesla to the fire saying don t fuck this up don t compromise keep pushing. I d happily critique Tesla or Elon Musk when it is justifiable. When the rumor floated about GM buying Tesla I was going to be mighty pissed at Elon if he was a sell out. Personally I really dislike the Model X with its gull wing doors and that they would include something so gimmicky. But when it is something like the sensationalized car fires damn right I will defend Tesla fanatically. When people make a stink about the batteries being expensive... well no shit. It s a burgeoning tech and the ICE has a big head start in being made cheap. And when someone says a car doesn t look good anymore because it it lacks massage seats well then I am going to laugh my ass off. These other companies squandered and subverted this tech for decades. They wouldn t take the risk of disrupting the status quo. Tesla took that risk and went all in. They made a fan(atic) out of me for it. I m not so tied to Tesla that I won t stray. (I had high hope for Fisker years ago.) But just because these old giants of the last century are finally being dragged kicking and screaming into the the next doesn t mean I haven t forgot. They will have to prove themselves with more than just massage seats.

&gt Let them get better. Don t defend everything. No one is stopping anything from getting better - this thread from a week+ ago is just fine: http: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 1tpv7n great_car_but_room_for_improvement &gt When somebody says that he is uncomfortable with the little head space on the second row you reply People don t sit straight in cars anyway. yeah.. um... that didn t happen. The quote was I m not much shorter than you and I sit just fine in the backseat with or without pano roof. This is because I don t sit straight-backed with my head as high as possible which is an uncomfortable and strange position which people only put themselves in when they re trying to prove a point. If you have concerns about the safety of riding in the back seat... don t. This is reddit - having a different opinion isn t making a company a religion.

1ucpkp

You shouldn t make Tesla your religion Seriously. Every single comment in this sub is about how awesome Tesla is and how unquestionable Elon Musk. When someone points out that a replacement battery pack is very expensive all you answer is I hope they make a lot of money out of it and bring forward their company. When somebody says that he is uncomfortable with the little head space on the second row you reply People don t sit straight in cars anyway. You downvote every skeptical comment and upvote everything that sounds like Tesla is the best company in the world and the Model S the best car. Don t get me wrong. I like the idea of Tesla and EVs I think the Model S is a very good car and I like where they say they re going BUT: It is a company! They have a product! Don t defend them over everything. If they have flaws point them out rather than cover them up. Tesla has to compete against other companies on the market and if somebody gives you a better product for a lower price you shouldn t buy a Tesla then. I understand that there aren t comparable products from other companies available at the moment (and I have great respect for Tesla that they make one!) but as soon as they come (when there will Mercedes S Audi A8 and BMW 7 as EVs) the Model S will be measured by more than just it s unique status. And then it doesn t look very good anymore because it lacks a lot of features the other luxury cars have (light matrix massage seats steering and lane changing support and automation ...) So as said: I like Tesla I m thankful that they are stiring up the car market and I understand that they will develop and get better but please: Let them get better. Don t defend everything. Don t make a company your religion.

&gt Every single comment in this sub is about how awesome Tesla is and how unquestionable Elon Musk. Really? Every one? You had to make-up misquote people to try and make your point. If you want to have a genuine discussion don t make your first sentence so hyperbolic and absurd. This is your first comment on this sub and you ve been on reddit for a month. Why not join in the conversation first? Yea this is a sub about a brand of car. Is it any surprise that the people here would be enthusiastic about it? Does that make us fanatics? Probably. Does that make us blind or in denial about areas of improvement? Hell no. The people here are the early adopters. They can see past the growing pains or the disinformation or the naysayers. They can see the potential. If anything I think we hold Tesla to the fire saying don t fuck this up don t compromise keep pushing. I d happily critique Tesla or Elon Musk when it is justifiable. When the rumor floated about GM buying Tesla I was going to be mighty pissed at Elon if he was a sell out. Personally I really dislike the Model X with its gull wing doors and that they would include something so gimmicky. But when it is something like the sensationalized car fires damn right I will defend Tesla fanatically. When people make a stink about the batteries being expensive... well no shit. It s a burgeoning tech and the ICE has a big head start in being made cheap. And when someone says a car doesn t look good anymore because it it lacks massage seats well then I am going to laugh my ass off. These other companies squandered and subverted this tech for decades. They wouldn t take the risk of disrupting the status quo. Tesla took that risk and went all in. They made a fan(atic) out of me for it. I m not so tied to Tesla that I won t stray. (I had high hope for Fisker years ago.) But just because these old giants of the last century are finally being dragged kicking and screaming into the the next doesn t mean I haven t forgot. They will have to prove themselves with more than just massage seats.

I agree with you. I see a lot of people here who would seemingly never admit that Tesla or Model S isn t perfect. It s like any criticism however small is equal to saying this thing sucks! . I ve invested in this company and for me it s very important to get both sides of the story. I want to hear every little complaint about Tesla and their cars and I bet Tesla do too! That s the only way to improve! We get it you re passionate about the subject. So am I! But common. Grey-scales is a good thing. Black and white is not.

1zp468

So you don t pay for gas anymore but how is your electric bill? I m not exactly in the market for a Tesla just yet I m doing my research. So you don t pay for gas anymore (or as much) is your electric bill just as expensive cause you have to charge it at home?

Rough estimates using Tesla s site: A Model S uses 0.3KwH mile on average. If you drive 15k miles per year you re looking at 375KwH month. At the national average of $0.11 KwH your monthly electric bill will increase by $41.25

Sorry I can t answer your question since I don t yet have a tesla either but I ve always been fond of the idea of installing solar panels on my house around the time I m able to purchase the tesla. Not only would you eliminate gas costs you d severely cut down on your overall electric bill. Realistically I want to install solar regardless of if when I get an EV.

21clb2

Why isn t Tesla offering a charging solution that sits on the floor of your garage and charges your car automatically when you park? As an aspiring future Tesla owner I feel like I would hate plugging my car in when I get home then unplugging it when I m leaving not to mention having to walk around a cable between the wall and the car any time I m in the garage. I don t want to have to think about it just park and get out like a gasoline car. Anybody feel the same way? It d be a pretty nice accessory to offer as an alternative to the wall charger. EDIT: Obviously wireless charging is too inefficient right now I m talking about conductive charging from a port located on the underside of the car.

Plugging in isnt nearly as much of a chore as you might think. I was initially hesitant about it as well. But with the button on the cord to open the port it takes me less than 3 seconds. I can do it almost as fast as i can walk by. Worth it to never go to the gas station again. (Talk about inconvenient)

Do you put gas in your tank or just park at the station and wait for it to fill itself up?

21lurz

Tesla is banned from r technology and so am I for finding out Stories about Tesla have been banned from r technology. And now that I ve found out about it I ve been banned from r technology too. I discovered this by posting a story about Tesla to r technology. It was blocked but that sort of thing happens often inadvertently so I asked the mods if they would unblock it. u agentlame responded that That s better suited for r teslamotors. Well that s true just as Google stories are best suited for r google Apple stories for r apple etc. But I replied by pointing out that Tesla stories [are very popular on r technology](http: www.reddit.com r technology search?q=tesla&amp sort=top&amp restrict_sr=on) getting thousands of upvotes and being among the subreddit s top-rated stories of all time. Agentlame replied: &gt Battery cars aren t technolgy any more than normal cars are. Brand favoritism isn t a good reason to allow something that doesn t belong. But the idea that the electric (and [robotic](http: www.engadget.com 2013 09 17 teslas-autopilot-car-project-targets-90-percent-of-miles-driv )) future of vehicle tech isn t a technology story is something that [multiple](http: www.engadget.com tag tesla ) tech [sites](http: www.theverge.com tag tesla) that [cover](http: techcrunch.com tag tesla ) Tesla [seem](https: www.google.com search?q=site%3Aarstechnica.com+tesla&amp num=100) to [disagree](http: www.wired.com business tag tesla ) with. I was curious if this was just the whim of a single moderator or a larger r technology policy so I looked for recent Tesla stories on r technology. [There are none.](http: www.reddit.com r technology search?q=tesla&amp sort=new&amp restrict_sr=on) Tesla stories were frequent until three months ago at which point all Tesla submissions suddenly stopped save for a single post that slipped through the filter by using the plural Teslas in the title. I asked Agentlame if Tesla had indeed been banned from r technology. His response: &gt Car stories should be submitted to car-related subreddits. &gt Please inform your supervisors in the Tesla Motors Marketing department. And then from the main r technology account: &gt **you ve been banned** &gt you have been banned from posting to [ r technology: Technology]( r technology) . Not only is Tesla banned from r technology but so am I for finding out about it. For better or worse all subreddits even the main subreddits visible to everyone by default are the private playgrounds of whoever started them first. So it s up to them what to allow and not allow. But subreddits tend to be very clear about their rules. Not only was this ban not transparent but the anti-transparency theme extended so far as to actually ban someone for noticing what happened. That just seems impulsively vindictive. I hope that Agentlame or someone else at r technology will reconsider. The largest share of my karma over 25 000 of these made-up Reddit points we play with has come from contributions I ve made to r technology. I d like to continue the conversation. And in case anyone thinks there must be more to this story that I must privately be some insufferable internet troll and that I surely couldn t have been banned just for asking if Tesla was banned [here s a screenshot](http: i.imgur.com FbXBuKE.png) of my full conversation with Agentlame.

Inform your supervisors in the Tesla marketing department? WTF? Maybe agentlame skipped his meds today.

asshole. They should at least make a sticky post for a while stating that they banned Tesla related post on r technology and that anyone interested in those should go to r teslamotors

21lurz

Tesla is banned from r technology and so am I for finding out Stories about Tesla have been banned from r technology. And now that I ve found out about it I ve been banned from r technology too. I discovered this by posting a story about Tesla to r technology. It was blocked but that sort of thing happens often inadvertently so I asked the mods if they would unblock it. u agentlame responded that That s better suited for r teslamotors. Well that s true just as Google stories are best suited for r google Apple stories for r apple etc. But I replied by pointing out that Tesla stories [are very popular on r technology](http: www.reddit.com r technology search?q=tesla&amp sort=top&amp restrict_sr=on) getting thousands of upvotes and being among the subreddit s top-rated stories of all time. Agentlame replied: &gt Battery cars aren t technolgy any more than normal cars are. Brand favoritism isn t a good reason to allow something that doesn t belong. But the idea that the electric (and [robotic](http: www.engadget.com 2013 09 17 teslas-autopilot-car-project-targets-90-percent-of-miles-driv )) future of vehicle tech isn t a technology story is something that [multiple](http: www.engadget.com tag tesla ) tech [sites](http: www.theverge.com tag tesla) that [cover](http: techcrunch.com tag tesla ) Tesla [seem](https: www.google.com search?q=site%3Aarstechnica.com+tesla&amp num=100) to [disagree](http: www.wired.com business tag tesla ) with. I was curious if this was just the whim of a single moderator or a larger r technology policy so I looked for recent Tesla stories on r technology. [There are none.](http: www.reddit.com r technology search?q=tesla&amp sort=new&amp restrict_sr=on) Tesla stories were frequent until three months ago at which point all Tesla submissions suddenly stopped save for a single post that slipped through the filter by using the plural Teslas in the title. I asked Agentlame if Tesla had indeed been banned from r technology. His response: &gt Car stories should be submitted to car-related subreddits. &gt Please inform your supervisors in the Tesla Motors Marketing department. And then from the main r technology account: &gt **you ve been banned** &gt you have been banned from posting to [ r technology: Technology]( r technology) . Not only is Tesla banned from r technology but so am I for finding out about it. For better or worse all subreddits even the main subreddits visible to everyone by default are the private playgrounds of whoever started them first. So it s up to them what to allow and not allow. But subreddits tend to be very clear about their rules. Not only was this ban not transparent but the anti-transparency theme extended so far as to actually ban someone for noticing what happened. That just seems impulsively vindictive. I hope that Agentlame or someone else at r technology will reconsider. The largest share of my karma over 25 000 of these made-up Reddit points we play with has come from contributions I ve made to r technology. I d like to continue the conversation. And in case anyone thinks there must be more to this story that I must privately be some insufferable internet troll and that I surely couldn t have been banned just for asking if Tesla was banned [here s a screenshot](http: i.imgur.com FbXBuKE.png) of my full conversation with Agentlame.

Inform your supervisors in the Tesla marketing department? WTF? Maybe agentlame skipped his meds today.

I was banned from r movies for a three-word reply to a known spammer. Some mods are self-important douchebags.

21lurz

Tesla is banned from r technology and so am I for finding out Stories about Tesla have been banned from r technology. And now that I ve found out about it I ve been banned from r technology too. I discovered this by posting a story about Tesla to r technology. It was blocked but that sort of thing happens often inadvertently so I asked the mods if they would unblock it. u agentlame responded that That s better suited for r teslamotors. Well that s true just as Google stories are best suited for r google Apple stories for r apple etc. But I replied by pointing out that Tesla stories [are very popular on r technology](http: www.reddit.com r technology search?q=tesla&amp sort=top&amp restrict_sr=on) getting thousands of upvotes and being among the subreddit s top-rated stories of all time. Agentlame replied: &gt Battery cars aren t technolgy any more than normal cars are. Brand favoritism isn t a good reason to allow something that doesn t belong. But the idea that the electric (and [robotic](http: www.engadget.com 2013 09 17 teslas-autopilot-car-project-targets-90-percent-of-miles-driv )) future of vehicle tech isn t a technology story is something that [multiple](http: www.engadget.com tag tesla ) tech [sites](http: www.theverge.com tag tesla) that [cover](http: techcrunch.com tag tesla ) Tesla [seem](https: www.google.com search?q=site%3Aarstechnica.com+tesla&amp num=100) to [disagree](http: www.wired.com business tag tesla ) with. I was curious if this was just the whim of a single moderator or a larger r technology policy so I looked for recent Tesla stories on r technology. [There are none.](http: www.reddit.com r technology search?q=tesla&amp sort=new&amp restrict_sr=on) Tesla stories were frequent until three months ago at which point all Tesla submissions suddenly stopped save for a single post that slipped through the filter by using the plural Teslas in the title. I asked Agentlame if Tesla had indeed been banned from r technology. His response: &gt Car stories should be submitted to car-related subreddits. &gt Please inform your supervisors in the Tesla Motors Marketing department. And then from the main r technology account: &gt **you ve been banned** &gt you have been banned from posting to [ r technology: Technology]( r technology) . Not only is Tesla banned from r technology but so am I for finding out about it. For better or worse all subreddits even the main subreddits visible to everyone by default are the private playgrounds of whoever started them first. So it s up to them what to allow and not allow. But subreddits tend to be very clear about their rules. Not only was this ban not transparent but the anti-transparency theme extended so far as to actually ban someone for noticing what happened. That just seems impulsively vindictive. I hope that Agentlame or someone else at r technology will reconsider. The largest share of my karma over 25 000 of these made-up Reddit points we play with has come from contributions I ve made to r technology. I d like to continue the conversation. And in case anyone thinks there must be more to this story that I must privately be some insufferable internet troll and that I surely couldn t have been banned just for asking if Tesla was banned [here s a screenshot](http: i.imgur.com FbXBuKE.png) of my full conversation with Agentlame.

Inform your supervisors in the Tesla marketing department? WTF? Maybe agentlame skipped his meds today.

I hope your post gets upvoted for visibility.

223yl0

Wait for Model E or pull the trigger on Model S? I know there s not much information at all on the Model E other than it ll be around 40 000 but I m hoping someone can sway me one way or another. I m looking for a new car I have the money for a Model S and it s my favorite car on the road right now. Seems like a simple choice I know but I keep feeling like the Model E is going to be shown off in 2015 and sold in 2016-2017 and will have pretty much all the same features as the S at half the price. Is this the case? Any idea when in 2015 it ll be shown? In what ways do you think the E will differ from the S that I can use to justify a purchase of the S now instead of waiting 2-3 years for the E?

Get the S now. If you have enough money for it you ll probably have enough for the E later on. In a few years you can sell the S and go with the E if it seems like a better choice.

&gt I m looking for a new car I have the money for a Model S and it s my favorite car on the road right now Didn t you just answer your own question? My guess is that the E will be less spacious and have some of the features in the S available as upgrades but not all of them. I m also guessing it will be very different styling (elon has eluded to this). It was mentioned it will be previewed at Detroit Auto Show in Jan 2015 but the news of deliveries of Model E s in 2015 is interesting.

25s10f

Test drove a Tesla today. 10 10 Would buy if rich. The regenerative braking surprised me at first but by the time I pulled back into the parking lot I was used to it. One sentence review follows. **Amazing like a silent comfortable Corvette with 4 doors no gears and an extra half-trunk where I developed phantom-engine syndrome.** Edit: Would buy if rich or if I had a steady job with a 30+ minute commute.

Come on now its the 21st century. We can take out massive amounts of debt to acquire everything we desire!

*10 10 Would buy if rich.* **you don t say!**

25tim3

My negative thoughts after 7k miles in including one long road trip. This is coming from someone who still drives ICE cars regularly drives for a living and over 100k yr and is over 6 tall. My other cars include a 2003 Jeep Wrangler built for off road use a 2008 smart convertible a 2011 Chevy Cruze a 1985 Chevy short bus and a 1969 project car that I m not publicly discussing at the moment :) Overall I love the car but I think it s important to talk about the downsides as well. Listed in no order: ·Even at the lowest seat setting my head touches the roof unless I lean back further than I like ·The app in its current form is pretty lame on both Android and ios ·The range needs to double if I m going to use it as my main car ·What the hell was Tesla thinking building out the northern cross-country route for chargers before the southern one? The cold weather killed my range putting me in the yellow zone between SD superchargers and my car got stuck in the snow at the Cheyenne supercharger last week (video coming soon). ·The software on the center dashboard is buggy. Luckily it can be updated but one time it was on a reset loop overheated and slightly warped the silver plastic bezel under the screen. When there s a problem things don t work like gps and Bluetooth causing potential safety issues. ·I wish it didn t have the panoramic roof. ·It sucks knowing that in a short period of time the car will be significantly inferior to the next version. ·I m tired of being an evangelist. You get a lot of questions with the car and I am tired of saying the same spiel over and over. I m considering printing up a FAQ page to hand out. ·I wish batteries were leased instead of owned so that battery swapping would be more feasible and I wouldn t have longevity anxiety. ·The software should be more sophisticated. It should give you your rated mileage based on current conditions terrain variables along your route and your speed preferences. As it is now it is oftentimes very inaccurate especially in the cold and when hills mountains are involved. ·There should be a front facing camera and front rear DVR with black box capabilities. ·The rear should be able to go completely flat. ·Climate should be on a schedule ·Cruise control should show what exactly it s set at and the jump feature should settle on the 0 5 like on the Mercedes where Tesla gets its cruise system from. It should also be adaptive. ·The latency in the Bluetooth is unacceptable and unfortunately I doubt it s a software problem. I ve never had this issue with other cars and I ve noticed it on every Model S. It also is unable to see what I m playing it just says the name of my phone. The standard KIA headunit on the rental car I currently have shows artist song title etc. The other annoyance with Bluetooth is that I have to manually select it every time I get in the car it should remember what I was last on. ·There should be a local contact person listed for problems at a supercharger that are out of Tesla s control. The hoops I had to jump through in Cheyenne were quite frustrating. ·Open the SDK already! ·The frunk is very annoying to close especially with snow or rain. That s all I can think of at the moment. As I said I still love the MS but there is room for improvement.

Boy you have some nerve posting a critical review of the Model S on reddit and for that I commend you! I m hoping someone from Tesla reads the online forums continually and uses the feedback criticisms to improve the current Model S and all future models.

How much over 6 are you? I m 6 5 and hoping to own a Model S eventually so will its size be a problem?

25tim3

My negative thoughts after 7k miles in including one long road trip. This is coming from someone who still drives ICE cars regularly drives for a living and over 100k yr and is over 6 tall. My other cars include a 2003 Jeep Wrangler built for off road use a 2008 smart convertible a 2011 Chevy Cruze a 1985 Chevy short bus and a 1969 project car that I m not publicly discussing at the moment :) Overall I love the car but I think it s important to talk about the downsides as well. Listed in no order: ·Even at the lowest seat setting my head touches the roof unless I lean back further than I like ·The app in its current form is pretty lame on both Android and ios ·The range needs to double if I m going to use it as my main car ·What the hell was Tesla thinking building out the northern cross-country route for chargers before the southern one? The cold weather killed my range putting me in the yellow zone between SD superchargers and my car got stuck in the snow at the Cheyenne supercharger last week (video coming soon). ·The software on the center dashboard is buggy. Luckily it can be updated but one time it was on a reset loop overheated and slightly warped the silver plastic bezel under the screen. When there s a problem things don t work like gps and Bluetooth causing potential safety issues. ·I wish it didn t have the panoramic roof. ·It sucks knowing that in a short period of time the car will be significantly inferior to the next version. ·I m tired of being an evangelist. You get a lot of questions with the car and I am tired of saying the same spiel over and over. I m considering printing up a FAQ page to hand out. ·I wish batteries were leased instead of owned so that battery swapping would be more feasible and I wouldn t have longevity anxiety. ·The software should be more sophisticated. It should give you your rated mileage based on current conditions terrain variables along your route and your speed preferences. As it is now it is oftentimes very inaccurate especially in the cold and when hills mountains are involved. ·There should be a front facing camera and front rear DVR with black box capabilities. ·The rear should be able to go completely flat. ·Climate should be on a schedule ·Cruise control should show what exactly it s set at and the jump feature should settle on the 0 5 like on the Mercedes where Tesla gets its cruise system from. It should also be adaptive. ·The latency in the Bluetooth is unacceptable and unfortunately I doubt it s a software problem. I ve never had this issue with other cars and I ve noticed it on every Model S. It also is unable to see what I m playing it just says the name of my phone. The standard KIA headunit on the rental car I currently have shows artist song title etc. The other annoyance with Bluetooth is that I have to manually select it every time I get in the car it should remember what I was last on. ·There should be a local contact person listed for problems at a supercharger that are out of Tesla s control. The hoops I had to jump through in Cheyenne were quite frustrating. ·Open the SDK already! ·The frunk is very annoying to close especially with snow or rain. That s all I can think of at the moment. As I said I still love the MS but there is room for improvement.

Boy you have some nerve posting a critical review of the Model S on reddit and for that I commend you! I m hoping someone from Tesla reads the online forums continually and uses the feedback criticisms to improve the current Model S and all future models.

&gt ·The software should be more sophisticated. It should give you your rated mileage based on current conditions terrain variables along your route and your speed preferences. As it is now it is oftentimes very inaccurate especially in the cold and when hills mountains are involved. They plan to do this (source: german meeting vid). &gt ·Even at the lowest seat setting my head touches the roof unless I lean back further than I like I think you are supposed to get more headroom up front without the sunroof and more in back with it. That or the other way around.

25tim3

My negative thoughts after 7k miles in including one long road trip. This is coming from someone who still drives ICE cars regularly drives for a living and over 100k yr and is over 6 tall. My other cars include a 2003 Jeep Wrangler built for off road use a 2008 smart convertible a 2011 Chevy Cruze a 1985 Chevy short bus and a 1969 project car that I m not publicly discussing at the moment :) Overall I love the car but I think it s important to talk about the downsides as well. Listed in no order: ·Even at the lowest seat setting my head touches the roof unless I lean back further than I like ·The app in its current form is pretty lame on both Android and ios ·The range needs to double if I m going to use it as my main car ·What the hell was Tesla thinking building out the northern cross-country route for chargers before the southern one? The cold weather killed my range putting me in the yellow zone between SD superchargers and my car got stuck in the snow at the Cheyenne supercharger last week (video coming soon). ·The software on the center dashboard is buggy. Luckily it can be updated but one time it was on a reset loop overheated and slightly warped the silver plastic bezel under the screen. When there s a problem things don t work like gps and Bluetooth causing potential safety issues. ·I wish it didn t have the panoramic roof. ·It sucks knowing that in a short period of time the car will be significantly inferior to the next version. ·I m tired of being an evangelist. You get a lot of questions with the car and I am tired of saying the same spiel over and over. I m considering printing up a FAQ page to hand out. ·I wish batteries were leased instead of owned so that battery swapping would be more feasible and I wouldn t have longevity anxiety. ·The software should be more sophisticated. It should give you your rated mileage based on current conditions terrain variables along your route and your speed preferences. As it is now it is oftentimes very inaccurate especially in the cold and when hills mountains are involved. ·There should be a front facing camera and front rear DVR with black box capabilities. ·The rear should be able to go completely flat. ·Climate should be on a schedule ·Cruise control should show what exactly it s set at and the jump feature should settle on the 0 5 like on the Mercedes where Tesla gets its cruise system from. It should also be adaptive. ·The latency in the Bluetooth is unacceptable and unfortunately I doubt it s a software problem. I ve never had this issue with other cars and I ve noticed it on every Model S. It also is unable to see what I m playing it just says the name of my phone. The standard KIA headunit on the rental car I currently have shows artist song title etc. The other annoyance with Bluetooth is that I have to manually select it every time I get in the car it should remember what I was last on. ·There should be a local contact person listed for problems at a supercharger that are out of Tesla s control. The hoops I had to jump through in Cheyenne were quite frustrating. ·Open the SDK already! ·The frunk is very annoying to close especially with snow or rain. That s all I can think of at the moment. As I said I still love the MS but there is room for improvement.

Boy you have some nerve posting a critical review of the Model S on reddit and for that I commend you! I m hoping someone from Tesla reads the online forums continually and uses the feedback criticisms to improve the current Model S and all future models.

I feel a few of them are not valid negative points towards the car. You are of course entitled to your opinion but I would like to point some things out: &gt The range needs to double if I m going to use it as my main car The range is on par with other vehicles of the same type with ICEs. As in the expensive business cars (BMW Mercedes ....). Mainly however because the more expensive ICE cars also require a good bit more fuel due to higher HP. That said there will always be room for improvement. &gt I wish it didn t have the panoramic roof Why not get it without then? IIRC isn t that an upgrade? &gt It sucks knowing that in a short period of time the car will be significantly inferior to the next version. If the Tesla Roadster is anything to go by the downgrade over time is also comparable to the usual cars. Average upper middleclass citizens buy a new car every 5 years or so so that shouldn t be a problem even if you keep it longer. &gt I wish batteries were leased instead of owned so that battery swapping would be more feasible and I wouldn t have longevity anxiety. Well that is coming but as always it is a bit of a chicken–egg problem. You should be glad to know that the Tesla S is fully ready for when the service is rolled out you ll be able to start using it immediately without any hardware changes. &gt Open the SDK already! I don t think that that will happen just from a security and driver distraction viewpoint. At the most they will allow certain developers to develop sanctioned applications but anything more and insurance companies will have a field day. That s it. Note that I do not own any car I m just armchair fan.

27a2mg

I cringed so hard at this question. http: youtu.be nDwEFvOh9co?t=38m53s

This is how super villains are born...

I just figured the guy was a super troll when I watched it. That was hilarious.

27a2mg

I cringed so hard at this question. http: youtu.be nDwEFvOh9co?t=38m53s

This is how super villains are born...

I hope that there is follow up on this man.

27a2mg

I cringed so hard at this question. http: youtu.be nDwEFvOh9co?t=38m53s

This is how super villains are born...

This was worse than watching a kissing scene in a movie with your bros around.

28vkcv

Tell me why I SHOULDN T get a Model S Hi everybody. I have a deposit down for a Model S and my 2 week period to make changes or cancel ends Wednesday. So I m am getting a little nervous anxious and I am wondering if anybody here can offer me any Cons re: purchasing this car? In my head the only Con is price but I am curious to see if there s some more wisdom out there.... Thanks!

Only 2 reasons I can see NOT to buy the car: 1) You live in an area where there are few to no superchargers and or you live in an apartment where it isn t feasible to install one yourself. 2) You can t afford it.

Try to think of another car that you would like to purchase more than the Model S.. can you come up with something?

28vkcv

Tell me why I SHOULDN T get a Model S Hi everybody. I have a deposit down for a Model S and my 2 week period to make changes or cancel ends Wednesday. So I m am getting a little nervous anxious and I am wondering if anybody here can offer me any Cons re: purchasing this car? In my head the only Con is price but I am curious to see if there s some more wisdom out there.... Thanks!

Only 2 reasons I can see NOT to buy the car: 1) You live in an area where there are few to no superchargers and or you live in an apartment where it isn t feasible to install one yourself. 2) You can t afford it.

If you can travel everywhere you think you d need to go using charging networks I think the only con is price. But depending on your income and purchasing habits that can be an enormous con. Don t go broke buying a car. I m hoping it s pretty rare for someone to buy a $70k+ car and be scrapping by because of it but you never know. If it s surplus money you were going to spend on luxuries like boats vacations and probably-not-necessary-home-remodelings anyway then heck yeah it s worth it.

28vkcv

Tell me why I SHOULDN T get a Model S Hi everybody. I have a deposit down for a Model S and my 2 week period to make changes or cancel ends Wednesday. So I m am getting a little nervous anxious and I am wondering if anybody here can offer me any Cons re: purchasing this car? In my head the only Con is price but I am curious to see if there s some more wisdom out there.... Thanks!

Reasons I was hesitant: 1) It s expensive. No matter how many fuzzy math calculations you do - let s be honest it s an emotional decision. If we are being logical about it we d save up for another 3 years and get the GEN III when battery and car prices drop. 2) Repairs and insurance are expensive. Aluminum body high tech sensors in ever part (even the side mirrors) and none of this has been tested over any significant period of time. Granted with extended warranty of 7-8 years (depending on driving 60 vs. 85 etc) you will have everything covered but after that things can get pricey. If you get a severe scratch or fender-bender it ll probably be thousands not hundreds like on some regular ICE cars. Granted a high-end luxury car is going to cost a lot to repair no matter what make model. 3) Jealousy. It s a nice car. People think and see you differently and not in the best way. Already have had some judgmental responses from close friends family and I don t even have the car yet. I was honestly surprised at some reactions from certain people when I said I was getting one. I had to explain that I made some good investments that made this possible and I m still stretching quite a bit to try to get it. Doesn t matter apparently I am still a rich twat with a little penis. I had no idea. Lol.

Try to think of another car that you would like to purchase more than the Model S.. can you come up with something?

2aye6h

I want a Model 3. How should I prepare? I m determined to have a Model 3 in 2017. Preferably at release. I m planning on putting aside some cash for a reservation down payment. I ve never bought a new car before but I want the model 3 to be my first. 1. How much should I save? Edit: I fully intend on financing. 2. Will it likely be difficult to get one out of the first batch? 3. I have a good car which could last me at 5 years at least maybe 10. I assume I could NOT trade it in somehow to put it towards the purchase? I guess I could sell it separately. 4. There *might* be a supercharging station where I live in a couple years. Let s assume it doesn t happen. Should that affect my decision? Thanks all for your help. I ve been following Tesla from the beginning and knew I would someday have one but the Model 3 is the first chance I will have at actually owning a Tesla. EDIT: Thanks for all the info tips. I ve decided I won t be trying to get one early. That isn t incredibly important to me and would add cost and make my savings tighter. I will still be saving to purchase one either in 2017 or 2018. As this is my first major purchase (since my college degree) this will be an exercise in patience. I m still really excited though!

You should prepare by doing the following: 1. Find a friend who is about your height and weight with a clean criminal record. 2. Obtain their DNA and or fingerprints. 3. Rob a bank gaining a bunch of money. 4. Leave evidence that this friend committed the crime. 5. Help friend disappear. Whether that is to a country with no extradition or through more nefarious means that s your call. 6. Hide money but slowly launder money into your account at no more than a thousand or two a month. 7. Hire a hitman to take out that suspicious neighbor. They know too much. Make sure you only pay them in drugs. Then help hitman OD. 8. When orders for Model 3 come online order it. 9. Finance the vehicle with a down payment of about 9-10 thousand. 10. Pay off the loan quickly over the next few months but not so quick as to raise suspicions. 11. With your ill-begotten winnings invest money in a local diner or coffee shop as a way to continue laundering money. 12. Bribe a local politician to beg Tesla to build a Supercharger station right outside of your coffee shop wing joint medical marijuana dispensary. 13. Enjoy free charging every night as you serve people overpriced drinks. 14. Receive the shock of a lifetime when a distant relative of the hitman you hired years earlier turns out to be a director at the NSA and that hitman was actually their favorite 12th cousin. 15. Take part in an epic car chase as the NSA director chases you with a helicopter. 16. Drive the Model 3 over a cliff all Thelma &amp Louise style. 17. Walk out of the car after it lands. 18. Climb into your getaway Roadster and drive to your mansion of coke. 19. Make the NSA guy and his cronies Say hello to your little friend. 20. Go out like Tony Montana. Or you could just put a little aside each month. Your call.

IF you can sell your car privately and not trade it in or sell it to a dealer you will get more for it but it will be a little more trouble. Is the car paid off? If so I d highly recommend selling privately. The last two new cars I bought I sold my previous car privately and got significantly more. One car I got an offer for trade in of 11k and ended up selling it privately for 16k. They buyer was very happy since he had found similar cars at used dealer lots for 19k. Everyone wins except the dealers in private sales. Just don t be stupid sell local and only take a certified check for the car.

2aye6h

I want a Model 3. How should I prepare? I m determined to have a Model 3 in 2017. Preferably at release. I m planning on putting aside some cash for a reservation down payment. I ve never bought a new car before but I want the model 3 to be my first. 1. How much should I save? Edit: I fully intend on financing. 2. Will it likely be difficult to get one out of the first batch? 3. I have a good car which could last me at 5 years at least maybe 10. I assume I could NOT trade it in somehow to put it towards the purchase? I guess I could sell it separately. 4. There *might* be a supercharging station where I live in a couple years. Let s assume it doesn t happen. Should that affect my decision? Thanks all for your help. I ve been following Tesla from the beginning and knew I would someday have one but the Model 3 is the first chance I will have at actually owning a Tesla. EDIT: Thanks for all the info tips. I ve decided I won t be trying to get one early. That isn t incredibly important to me and would add cost and make my savings tighter. I will still be saving to purchase one either in 2017 or 2018. As this is my first major purchase (since my college degree) this will be an exercise in patience. I m still really excited though!

You should prepare by doing the following: 1. Find a friend who is about your height and weight with a clean criminal record. 2. Obtain their DNA and or fingerprints. 3. Rob a bank gaining a bunch of money. 4. Leave evidence that this friend committed the crime. 5. Help friend disappear. Whether that is to a country with no extradition or through more nefarious means that s your call. 6. Hide money but slowly launder money into your account at no more than a thousand or two a month. 7. Hire a hitman to take out that suspicious neighbor. They know too much. Make sure you only pay them in drugs. Then help hitman OD. 8. When orders for Model 3 come online order it. 9. Finance the vehicle with a down payment of about 9-10 thousand. 10. Pay off the loan quickly over the next few months but not so quick as to raise suspicions. 11. With your ill-begotten winnings invest money in a local diner or coffee shop as a way to continue laundering money. 12. Bribe a local politician to beg Tesla to build a Supercharger station right outside of your coffee shop wing joint medical marijuana dispensary. 13. Enjoy free charging every night as you serve people overpriced drinks. 14. Receive the shock of a lifetime when a distant relative of the hitman you hired years earlier turns out to be a director at the NSA and that hitman was actually their favorite 12th cousin. 15. Take part in an epic car chase as the NSA director chases you with a helicopter. 16. Drive the Model 3 over a cliff all Thelma &amp Louise style. 17. Walk out of the car after it lands. 18. Climb into your getaway Roadster and drive to your mansion of coke. 19. Make the NSA guy and his cronies Say hello to your little friend. 20. Go out like Tony Montana. Or you could just put a little aside each month. Your call.

1) save 10K for downpayment and another $5K for upgrades Upgrades include: wrapping at least the front of the car with Avery nano fusion or Xpel Ultimate winter tires (if you need them) all weather floor mats misc stuff 2) yes it will be difficult to get one since tesla usually does pre-orders and the spots fill up ridiculously fast the Model 3 will most likely have the preorders fill 10x the speed the model s and x did. 3) always sell your car privately as you will get more money its more work but its worth it the model 3 has very little that can go wrong with it electric motors need zero maintainence 4) you dont need a super charger at all unless you are traveling long distances the only thing you need really is a NEMA 14-50 outlet in your garage (dryer oven plug 240v). This will allow your car to be full no matter what state of charge it was at over night. however at work if you have a 110v outlet at work this is also good enough for a daily commute for most people you can grab 50kms of range over 9 hours (same time you are working)

2aye6h

I want a Model 3. How should I prepare? I m determined to have a Model 3 in 2017. Preferably at release. I m planning on putting aside some cash for a reservation down payment. I ve never bought a new car before but I want the model 3 to be my first. 1. How much should I save? Edit: I fully intend on financing. 2. Will it likely be difficult to get one out of the first batch? 3. I have a good car which could last me at 5 years at least maybe 10. I assume I could NOT trade it in somehow to put it towards the purchase? I guess I could sell it separately. 4. There *might* be a supercharging station where I live in a couple years. Let s assume it doesn t happen. Should that affect my decision? Thanks all for your help. I ve been following Tesla from the beginning and knew I would someday have one but the Model 3 is the first chance I will have at actually owning a Tesla. EDIT: Thanks for all the info tips. I ve decided I won t be trying to get one early. That isn t incredibly important to me and would add cost and make my savings tighter. I will still be saving to purchase one either in 2017 or 2018. As this is my first major purchase (since my college degree) this will be an exercise in patience. I m still really excited though!

You should prepare by doing the following: 1. Find a friend who is about your height and weight with a clean criminal record. 2. Obtain their DNA and or fingerprints. 3. Rob a bank gaining a bunch of money. 4. Leave evidence that this friend committed the crime. 5. Help friend disappear. Whether that is to a country with no extradition or through more nefarious means that s your call. 6. Hide money but slowly launder money into your account at no more than a thousand or two a month. 7. Hire a hitman to take out that suspicious neighbor. They know too much. Make sure you only pay them in drugs. Then help hitman OD. 8. When orders for Model 3 come online order it. 9. Finance the vehicle with a down payment of about 9-10 thousand. 10. Pay off the loan quickly over the next few months but not so quick as to raise suspicions. 11. With your ill-begotten winnings invest money in a local diner or coffee shop as a way to continue laundering money. 12. Bribe a local politician to beg Tesla to build a Supercharger station right outside of your coffee shop wing joint medical marijuana dispensary. 13. Enjoy free charging every night as you serve people overpriced drinks. 14. Receive the shock of a lifetime when a distant relative of the hitman you hired years earlier turns out to be a director at the NSA and that hitman was actually their favorite 12th cousin. 15. Take part in an epic car chase as the NSA director chases you with a helicopter. 16. Drive the Model 3 over a cliff all Thelma &amp Louise style. 17. Walk out of the car after it lands. 18. Climb into your getaway Roadster and drive to your mansion of coke. 19. Make the NSA guy and his cronies Say hello to your little friend. 20. Go out like Tony Montana. Or you could just put a little aside each month. Your call.

I m in absolutely the same boat so thanks for the thread - answers are very useful :) Going to extend the financing on my current car by 3 more years come November and hopefully get the Model 3 after that. Germany already has quite a few superchargers so I guess I ll be good on that in 2017 - so the down payment for the reservation is the only thing currently bothering me gonna have to save up. How early did the pre-orders for Model S and X start?

2dtjen

Convince me that a Tesla is a better use of my money than an equally priced slightly used supercar A Model S at least the higher end version runs anywhere from $80-120k. For that same price there are some _amazing_ cars on eBay motors with &lt 20 000 miles on them. I ve never bought a brand new car before because I ve always found the value of a slightly used excellent condition car to be much better so that s part of my concern here with buying a Tesla. The other part is that I really can find some incredible cars even though they re gas powered for the same price or cheaper than a Model S.

I haven t been to a gas station in a year and a half. In the 1.5 years I ve had it that would have been ~**60** gas station visits with another car. Ain t nobody got time for that shit. I haven t had my oil changed. In the 1.5 years I ve had it that would have been 3-4 oil changes with another car. I don t have to get smogged this year or ever in the future. In another car I would have to do it in the next few months. I have generated more electricity off the solar panels on my roof than I ve used in the car. In my other car that would have been about 750 gallons of gasoline or about $3 000 in gas and I would have dumped about 7.5 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. I HAVE had a few issues that I ve needed to drop the car off for but it was hassle free - I dropped the car off and hopped in 1) a faster better Tesla 2) a faster better Tesla 3) a Roadster for the day while they worked on mine. Each time they ve taken it they ve fixed my issue and improved my car in some other way (wind noise above windshield gone creak in pano roof gone titanium underbody shield added etc.). A few months ago I got hill hold (Let go of brake on a hill and the car doesn t roll until you apply gas) downloaded on my car over wirelessly while I slept. A whole bunch of other minor improvements have come through as well. In my Tesla I can peel off the line to get around other cars without making an obnoxious look how big my dick is engine rev. I can fit every ounce of kitesurfing gear in my car and still have room for a couple suitcases... in the back alone and then fill the front up with groceries or bags and you can t see anything from outside the car. I can fit 5 people in there easy. I dunno man sometimes I see other really really nice much more expensive cars on the road and I m sure they go faster handle better something something than my car but I wouldn t trade mine in for any of them (except a higher model Tesla).

You may want to look for a slightly used Tesla. There aren t a ton of them but you may be able to find one for a better value though it won t be new and custom built for you. Anyway there are a number of reasons to buy a Tesla if you want a car that can be environmentally sustainable but still want a nice car Tesla is the clear choice. If you want massive amounts of trunk (and frunk) space and seating for 5 Tesla is a good choice. If you want a car that looks great Tesla is a good choice. If you want to drive silently with instant massive torque for great acceleration Tesla is the car for you. If you don t want to breath fumes or stop in a gas station ever again a Tesla is what you want. If you are looking for a car that is cheap or you want your next car immediately Tesla is not for you (yet). Also take a test drive. The driving experience is one of the most important factors.

2dtjen

Convince me that a Tesla is a better use of my money than an equally priced slightly used supercar A Model S at least the higher end version runs anywhere from $80-120k. For that same price there are some _amazing_ cars on eBay motors with &lt 20 000 miles on them. I ve never bought a brand new car before because I ve always found the value of a slightly used excellent condition car to be much better so that s part of my concern here with buying a Tesla. The other part is that I really can find some incredible cars even though they re gas powered for the same price or cheaper than a Model S.

I haven t been to a gas station in a year and a half. In the 1.5 years I ve had it that would have been ~**60** gas station visits with another car. Ain t nobody got time for that shit. I haven t had my oil changed. In the 1.5 years I ve had it that would have been 3-4 oil changes with another car. I don t have to get smogged this year or ever in the future. In another car I would have to do it in the next few months. I have generated more electricity off the solar panels on my roof than I ve used in the car. In my other car that would have been about 750 gallons of gasoline or about $3 000 in gas and I would have dumped about 7.5 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. I HAVE had a few issues that I ve needed to drop the car off for but it was hassle free - I dropped the car off and hopped in 1) a faster better Tesla 2) a faster better Tesla 3) a Roadster for the day while they worked on mine. Each time they ve taken it they ve fixed my issue and improved my car in some other way (wind noise above windshield gone creak in pano roof gone titanium underbody shield added etc.). A few months ago I got hill hold (Let go of brake on a hill and the car doesn t roll until you apply gas) downloaded on my car over wirelessly while I slept. A whole bunch of other minor improvements have come through as well. In my Tesla I can peel off the line to get around other cars without making an obnoxious look how big my dick is engine rev. I can fit every ounce of kitesurfing gear in my car and still have room for a couple suitcases... in the back alone and then fill the front up with groceries or bags and you can t see anything from outside the car. I can fit 5 people in there easy. I dunno man sometimes I see other really really nice much more expensive cars on the road and I m sure they go faster handle better something something than my car but I wouldn t trade mine in for any of them (except a higher model Tesla).

It s really simple. When you buy an Audi R8 and show it to someone you talk about the handling maybe the acceleration. When you buy a Tesla Model S and show it to someone you talk about the handling and acceleration but you also talk about the electric drivetrain the touchscreen the handles the cargo space the safety etc etc. The R8 is good at only one thing: aggressive driving. The Tesla Model S excels at aggressive driving and a whole plethora of other things.

2dtjen

Convince me that a Tesla is a better use of my money than an equally priced slightly used supercar A Model S at least the higher end version runs anywhere from $80-120k. For that same price there are some _amazing_ cars on eBay motors with &lt 20 000 miles on them. I ve never bought a brand new car before because I ve always found the value of a slightly used excellent condition car to be much better so that s part of my concern here with buying a Tesla. The other part is that I really can find some incredible cars even though they re gas powered for the same price or cheaper than a Model S.

I haven t been to a gas station in a year and a half. In the 1.5 years I ve had it that would have been ~**60** gas station visits with another car. Ain t nobody got time for that shit. I haven t had my oil changed. In the 1.5 years I ve had it that would have been 3-4 oil changes with another car. I don t have to get smogged this year or ever in the future. In another car I would have to do it in the next few months. I have generated more electricity off the solar panels on my roof than I ve used in the car. In my other car that would have been about 750 gallons of gasoline or about $3 000 in gas and I would have dumped about 7.5 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. I HAVE had a few issues that I ve needed to drop the car off for but it was hassle free - I dropped the car off and hopped in 1) a faster better Tesla 2) a faster better Tesla 3) a Roadster for the day while they worked on mine. Each time they ve taken it they ve fixed my issue and improved my car in some other way (wind noise above windshield gone creak in pano roof gone titanium underbody shield added etc.). A few months ago I got hill hold (Let go of brake on a hill and the car doesn t roll until you apply gas) downloaded on my car over wirelessly while I slept. A whole bunch of other minor improvements have come through as well. In my Tesla I can peel off the line to get around other cars without making an obnoxious look how big my dick is engine rev. I can fit every ounce of kitesurfing gear in my car and still have room for a couple suitcases... in the back alone and then fill the front up with groceries or bags and you can t see anything from outside the car. I can fit 5 people in there easy. I dunno man sometimes I see other really really nice much more expensive cars on the road and I m sure they go faster handle better something something than my car but I wouldn t trade mine in for any of them (except a higher model Tesla).

What supercar? Because although the Model S has almost supercar like performance it s not in the same category at all. It s a 4-door sedan sitting 5 adults and 2 kids.

2ec7al

Two tesla owners from new york paid for this full-page ad in the palo alto weekly wrote open letter to Elon http: i.imgur.com gkMXSMd.jpg I thought this was a pretty weird way to reach the company and also probably very expensive. I like how they didn t mention what model they have just...tesla. This is the [cover](http: i.imgur.com jZ3XDT0.jpg) if you want to see for yourself.

Elon responded https: twitter.com elonmusk status 503077090803986432

Can anyone comment whether the recommended changes are a good idea?

2faoj1

for those that stretched to buy a Tesla: was it worth it? I m not talking about the people that would ve normally been in the market for a 7 series BMW. I m referring to the people that normally would be going for 50k cars that busted the budget so to speak to get a Tesla. By just browsing around I ve read about plenty of sub 100k income people buying one and was curious how that has played out for anyone here in that category.

I ll be honest it was more car than I probably can justify. My income is okay but I don t drive much so the value per dollar spent for me is really low. Does that make sense? I ve NEVER had a car payment before but the 2% interest rate and buyback guarantee siren song called my name. Now I have a $16XX car payment which is not ideal. I do think about the other things I could do with that money (mostly save it) but then I always go back to the fact that life is short the car is sweet and I enjoy it the miles I do drive. The funny thing is my first month I drove 3k miles which is about five months of normal driving for me. I am always finding excuses to drive places now. I may even start ubering just for fun.

The two most expensive cars I had prior to the Tesla was a pretty decked out $34k Leaf that we leased and a nicely equipped $28k Toyota Prius. Both of which I considered to be expensive cars. The Prius had the solar moon roof and the Leaf has the 360 degree backup camera and Bose stereo system. A lot of my friends have Porsches or Audis or Range Rovers or Mercedes AMGs. I personally wouldn t purchase a depreciating asset if I couldn t afford it. And in fact that s one reason I wound up with a Roadster instead of a Model S. The Roadster is probably not a depreciating asset. At least not until I get run over in it one day. ____________________________ edit: fixed typo.

2faoj1

for those that stretched to buy a Tesla: was it worth it? I m not talking about the people that would ve normally been in the market for a 7 series BMW. I m referring to the people that normally would be going for 50k cars that busted the budget so to speak to get a Tesla. By just browsing around I ve read about plenty of sub 100k income people buying one and was curious how that has played out for anyone here in that category.

I ll be honest it was more car than I probably can justify. My income is okay but I don t drive much so the value per dollar spent for me is really low. Does that make sense? I ve NEVER had a car payment before but the 2% interest rate and buyback guarantee siren song called my name. Now I have a $16XX car payment which is not ideal. I do think about the other things I could do with that money (mostly save it) but then I always go back to the fact that life is short the car is sweet and I enjoy it the miles I do drive. The funny thing is my first month I drove 3k miles which is about five months of normal driving for me. I am always finding excuses to drive places now. I may even start ubering just for fun.

I think the universal answer is going to be yes but that is just a guess. With the new unlimited mile warranty I think in the long run it is going to be cheaper to own and hold its value much better than any other car you could buy unless it was something exceptionally rare. But keep in mind it only extends to the 85Kwh version to my knowledge.

2ft07s

What do we know about the Model 3 so far? There s been a lot of speculation over the past few months has any solid information been released about the upcoming Tesla Model 3?

- The Model 3 will be more expressive than the Model S. &gt Tesla s Chief Designer Franz von Holzhausen described the Model S design as lean and athletic and said it has a sort of classic “ready to wear” element. In contrast von Holzhausen said Tesla s third-generation car — which will start to get designed next year — has the opportunity to be “more expressive ” and “couture” in its look. &gt [Link](http: gigaom.com 2013 11 07 teslas-chief-designer-says-third-gen-car-design-could-be-more-expressive-couture ) * The Model 3 will be labeled will either be labeled Model 3 or Model Ξ but not Model III. &gt @ElonMusk Yes. Technically Model 3 or maybe three horizontal bars. Won t be three vertical bars. &gt [Link](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 500378028141076483) * The Model 3 will start around $35 000 before the tax credit. &gt Barclays Capital – Question about $35 000 price point – before or after tax credits? Follow-up: Some feel small format batteries aren t the right way to go but rather large format. &gt Deepak Ahuja (CFO): The $35 000 does not assume that the $7 500 federal tax credit is no longer available but that the 35 000 Tesla Gen 3 pricing is without any subsidy. &gt [Link](http: insideevs.com highlights-from-teslas-2nd-quarter-qa ) * The Model 3 will have around 200 miles range. &gt I see a fairly clear path to that vehicle. I have high confidence that we can create a compelling [car] for around $35 000 compelling meaning a 200 mile range. - Elon Musk &gt [Link](http: www.cnet.com news tesla-ceo-talks-model-x-gen-3-new-markets ) * The Model 3 will not be all aluminum. &gt I expect there will be very little carry-over. We ve got to be cost-effective. We can t use aluminum for all the components. - Chris Porritt Tesla s vice-president of engineering &gt [Link](http: insideevs.com cut-costs-tesla-gen-3-wont-aluminum-like-model-s ) * The Model 3 will be similar in size to the BMW 3 Series. &gt The Gen 3-based sedan has previously been reported to be similar in size to a BMW 3-Series and both lighter and cheaper to produce than the current Model S. &gt [Link](http: www.motorauthority.com news 1084423_tesla-ceo-elon-musk-reveals-targets-for-affordable-gen-3-models) - Wish I could find a first person report of this but I couldn t. There are quotes of Elon saying the car will be 20%-30% smaller (than the Model S) and that it will compete with the BMW 3 series however.

Based on math the [Battery will be around 50kWh](http: electrek.co 2014 03 02 elon-musk-says-mass-market-tesla-car-model-e-will-have-a-48kwh-battery-be-80-the-size-of-the-model-s ) to push a 20% lighter car 200 miles. Also I wonder as a cost savings thing if they will charge for use at Superchargers. Infrastructure is all there. Could just put in your credit card tied to your VIN and every time you need some juice you get hit with like a $5 charge . That would knock whatever premium they charge model S owners ($2500?) off the total cost of the car. Also it will be awesome. We know that.

2ft07s

What do we know about the Model 3 so far? There s been a lot of speculation over the past few months has any solid information been released about the upcoming Tesla Model 3?

- The Model 3 will be more expressive than the Model S. &gt Tesla s Chief Designer Franz von Holzhausen described the Model S design as lean and athletic and said it has a sort of classic “ready to wear” element. In contrast von Holzhausen said Tesla s third-generation car — which will start to get designed next year — has the opportunity to be “more expressive ” and “couture” in its look. &gt [Link](http: gigaom.com 2013 11 07 teslas-chief-designer-says-third-gen-car-design-could-be-more-expressive-couture ) * The Model 3 will be labeled will either be labeled Model 3 or Model Ξ but not Model III. &gt @ElonMusk Yes. Technically Model 3 or maybe three horizontal bars. Won t be three vertical bars. &gt [Link](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 500378028141076483) * The Model 3 will start around $35 000 before the tax credit. &gt Barclays Capital – Question about $35 000 price point – before or after tax credits? Follow-up: Some feel small format batteries aren t the right way to go but rather large format. &gt Deepak Ahuja (CFO): The $35 000 does not assume that the $7 500 federal tax credit is no longer available but that the 35 000 Tesla Gen 3 pricing is without any subsidy. &gt [Link](http: insideevs.com highlights-from-teslas-2nd-quarter-qa ) * The Model 3 will have around 200 miles range. &gt I see a fairly clear path to that vehicle. I have high confidence that we can create a compelling [car] for around $35 000 compelling meaning a 200 mile range. - Elon Musk &gt [Link](http: www.cnet.com news tesla-ceo-talks-model-x-gen-3-new-markets ) * The Model 3 will not be all aluminum. &gt I expect there will be very little carry-over. We ve got to be cost-effective. We can t use aluminum for all the components. - Chris Porritt Tesla s vice-president of engineering &gt [Link](http: insideevs.com cut-costs-tesla-gen-3-wont-aluminum-like-model-s ) * The Model 3 will be similar in size to the BMW 3 Series. &gt The Gen 3-based sedan has previously been reported to be similar in size to a BMW 3-Series and both lighter and cheaper to produce than the current Model S. &gt [Link](http: www.motorauthority.com news 1084423_tesla-ceo-elon-musk-reveals-targets-for-affordable-gen-3-models) - Wish I could find a first person report of this but I couldn t. There are quotes of Elon saying the car will be 20%-30% smaller (than the Model S) and that it will compete with the BMW 3 series however.

Other than the name 20% smaller than Model S 200 mile range base level and $35k price point it s all speculation.

2idzg1

Elon save me from ICEs After spending all day under my car yesterday replacing a timing belt and just being in awe that those insane clusterfucks of machinery work *at all * I have very firmly decided that every penny I can spare will now be dumped into a Model 3 savings fund. When the day comes I shall open the frunk stare lovingly into the empty space that represents everything I don t have to deal with anymore close it and hum off into the sunset. Assuming I can get the grease out from under my fingernails by then.

Sounds like you really need the D.

you forgot you re my only hope

2ire6b

Unveiling of the « D » - Announcement Thread On October 1st Elon Musk sent out a [tweet](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 517486950589014016): &gt About time to unveil the D and something else This picture was attached to the tweet: https: imgur.com O9dSLRO Since then a [picture](https: imgur.com 9gJ0tSx) of a Model S P85D has been shared on the [Tesla Motors Club website](http: www.teslamotorsclub.com ). **The Event** The event is held for owners and the media at the Hawthorne Airport and starts at 7 p.m PDT (local) – 10 p.m EDT [Countdown to the event](http: www.timeanddate.com countdown to?iso=20141009T19&amp p0=1240&amp fg1=000&amp msg=Tesla%3A+D) - by u Horforia Tesla s design studio and SpaceX s headquarters are located right next to the airport. [Picture of the airport](https: imgur.com jCMI3mP) - [Google Earth](https: www.google.ca maps place Hawthorne+Municipal+Airport @33.9214297 -118.3325989 692m data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xc043ce6eb8378ff4) _________ * **10 09 14 – 11:37 p.m EDT** - It s already over. They are offering test drives. This was fun. Thanks everyone. * **10 09 14 – 11:32 p.m EDT** - Self-parking without having to be in the car lane change automatic braking and adaptive cruise control. * **10 09 14 – 11:28 p.m EDT** - Hardware: radars cameras and ultrasonic sonar. * **10 09 14 – 11:25 p.m EDT** - Something else: All cars coming out of the factory have the autopilot harware. * **10 09 14 – 11:24 p.m EDT** - Elon: it s like your personal roller coaster... 3.2 sec 0 to 60... 3 settings: normal sport and insane. * **10 09 14 – 11:20 p.m EDT** - D confirmed to mean Dual Motor * **10 09 14 – 11:17 p.m EDT** - Elon is on stage. * **10 09 14 – 11:17 p.m EDT** - Franz Chief Designer is on stage * **10 09 14 – 11:05 p.m EDT** - Still nothing. They are running an hour late now. * **10 09 14 – 10:57 p.m EDT** - It s starting: live stream here: http: new.livestream.com accounts 10419610 events 3475766 * **10 09 14 – 10:43 p.m EDT** - The USA Today article that broke the embargo has been taken down. * **10 09 14 – 10:22 p.m EDT** -The stage: https: imgur.com wZyChgn via @Econ_finance on Twitter * **10 09 14 – 10:20 p.m EDT** - They are letting people in. It should start shortly - via Twitter. * **10 09 14 – 10:04 p.m EDT** - Probably running late. A lot of people are trying to get in. * **10 09 14 – 09:52 p.m EDT** - Apparently the place is packed: https: imgur.com hkyCrFL - from @TeslaMS60 * **10 09 14 – 09:32 p.m EDT** - P85D can do 0 to 60 in 3.2 seconds according to USA Today. * **10 09 14 – 09:20 p.m EDT** - USA Today published an [article](http: www.usatoday.com story money cars 2014 10 09 tesla-musk-safety-driver-aids 16986665 ) pre-written for the annoucement in which they say that Tesla revealed an AWD version of the Model S that has about 10 more miles of range. They also say that Tesla released driver assist features: The new system will move the car over a lane when the driver uses the turn signal and the car reads speed-limit signs and adjusts the car to the speed on the sign. * **10 09 14 – 09:11 p.m EDT** - A small army of Tesla staffs are on location: https: imgur.com LldH5Ol * **10 09 14 – 07:00 p.m EDT** - Everything is quiet. Nothing to report but I m still here. 3 hours until the unveiling. * **10 09 14 – 03:36 p.m EDT** - Picture from location by [@Philmflash](https: twitter.com Philmflash status 520267880777388032): https: imgur.com 1QtPiAS - reported by u rypalmer * **10 09 14 – 12:00 p.m EDT** – Nothing new to report. News media are still reporting all over the place with possible new models and Model X news even though Musk ruled those out ([link](https: news.google.com news story?pz=1&amp cf=all&amp ned=us&amp hl=en&amp q=tesla+Motors&amp ncl=dqeRhj_1rDRg4mM9PEnte0WOK8GfM&amp cf=all&amp scoring=n)). TSLA is up 1% ahead of the event ([link](https: www.google.ca finance?q=NASDAQ:TSLA&amp ei=B642VIDtL8i5sQeBnoDYBQ&amp authuser=1)). * **10 09 14 – 03:00 a.m EDT** – Following Tesla updating their website u ZyklusDieWelt found the options “Dual Drive Motor” and “Driver s Assistance” in the site s price configurator JS code. ([link\\)](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 2iqmfz tomorrows_announcements_drivers_assistance_dual ). Whether these 2 features are both the “D” and “something else” or just the “D” is not known yet. * **10 08 14 – 10:00 p.m EDT** – During a Vanity Fair Summit event Musk confirmed that the announcement has nothing to do with the Model 3 nor the Model X and that the internet (yeah that s us) is mostly right but he specified that no one quite appreciate the magnitude yet… ([link](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=0lT86HB26Ck)) ____________ You can also follow on the live thread: https: www.reddit.com live tpl90n2l1a8g ___________ I ll keep updating this post as I get new information (you simply have to refresh). I doubt we ll get much more than this until the event start. I m probably not the best person to update this since I will not be at the event. I know a few people who will be there and they should update me but that s pretty much it. If anyone think they could get more up-to-date information please let me know and I will delete this post (you can copy the progress from here). Same thing if the mods want to make an official thread. Thank you for the gold!

This is the most excited my girlfriend has been about the D since we stated dating.

where can I watch listen to it

2ire6b

Unveiling of the « D » - Announcement Thread On October 1st Elon Musk sent out a [tweet](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 517486950589014016): &gt About time to unveil the D and something else This picture was attached to the tweet: https: imgur.com O9dSLRO Since then a [picture](https: imgur.com 9gJ0tSx) of a Model S P85D has been shared on the [Tesla Motors Club website](http: www.teslamotorsclub.com ). **The Event** The event is held for owners and the media at the Hawthorne Airport and starts at 7 p.m PDT (local) – 10 p.m EDT [Countdown to the event](http: www.timeanddate.com countdown to?iso=20141009T19&amp p0=1240&amp fg1=000&amp msg=Tesla%3A+D) - by u Horforia Tesla s design studio and SpaceX s headquarters are located right next to the airport. [Picture of the airport](https: imgur.com jCMI3mP) - [Google Earth](https: www.google.ca maps place Hawthorne+Municipal+Airport @33.9214297 -118.3325989 692m data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xc043ce6eb8378ff4) _________ * **10 09 14 – 11:37 p.m EDT** - It s already over. They are offering test drives. This was fun. Thanks everyone. * **10 09 14 – 11:32 p.m EDT** - Self-parking without having to be in the car lane change automatic braking and adaptive cruise control. * **10 09 14 – 11:28 p.m EDT** - Hardware: radars cameras and ultrasonic sonar. * **10 09 14 – 11:25 p.m EDT** - Something else: All cars coming out of the factory have the autopilot harware. * **10 09 14 – 11:24 p.m EDT** - Elon: it s like your personal roller coaster... 3.2 sec 0 to 60... 3 settings: normal sport and insane. * **10 09 14 – 11:20 p.m EDT** - D confirmed to mean Dual Motor * **10 09 14 – 11:17 p.m EDT** - Elon is on stage. * **10 09 14 – 11:17 p.m EDT** - Franz Chief Designer is on stage * **10 09 14 – 11:05 p.m EDT** - Still nothing. They are running an hour late now. * **10 09 14 – 10:57 p.m EDT** - It s starting: live stream here: http: new.livestream.com accounts 10419610 events 3475766 * **10 09 14 – 10:43 p.m EDT** - The USA Today article that broke the embargo has been taken down. * **10 09 14 – 10:22 p.m EDT** -The stage: https: imgur.com wZyChgn via @Econ_finance on Twitter * **10 09 14 – 10:20 p.m EDT** - They are letting people in. It should start shortly - via Twitter. * **10 09 14 – 10:04 p.m EDT** - Probably running late. A lot of people are trying to get in. * **10 09 14 – 09:52 p.m EDT** - Apparently the place is packed: https: imgur.com hkyCrFL - from @TeslaMS60 * **10 09 14 – 09:32 p.m EDT** - P85D can do 0 to 60 in 3.2 seconds according to USA Today. * **10 09 14 – 09:20 p.m EDT** - USA Today published an [article](http: www.usatoday.com story money cars 2014 10 09 tesla-musk-safety-driver-aids 16986665 ) pre-written for the annoucement in which they say that Tesla revealed an AWD version of the Model S that has about 10 more miles of range. They also say that Tesla released driver assist features: The new system will move the car over a lane when the driver uses the turn signal and the car reads speed-limit signs and adjusts the car to the speed on the sign. * **10 09 14 – 09:11 p.m EDT** - A small army of Tesla staffs are on location: https: imgur.com LldH5Ol * **10 09 14 – 07:00 p.m EDT** - Everything is quiet. Nothing to report but I m still here. 3 hours until the unveiling. * **10 09 14 – 03:36 p.m EDT** - Picture from location by [@Philmflash](https: twitter.com Philmflash status 520267880777388032): https: imgur.com 1QtPiAS - reported by u rypalmer * **10 09 14 – 12:00 p.m EDT** – Nothing new to report. News media are still reporting all over the place with possible new models and Model X news even though Musk ruled those out ([link](https: news.google.com news story?pz=1&amp cf=all&amp ned=us&amp hl=en&amp q=tesla+Motors&amp ncl=dqeRhj_1rDRg4mM9PEnte0WOK8GfM&amp cf=all&amp scoring=n)). TSLA is up 1% ahead of the event ([link](https: www.google.ca finance?q=NASDAQ:TSLA&amp ei=B642VIDtL8i5sQeBnoDYBQ&amp authuser=1)). * **10 09 14 – 03:00 a.m EDT** – Following Tesla updating their website u ZyklusDieWelt found the options “Dual Drive Motor” and “Driver s Assistance” in the site s price configurator JS code. ([link\\)](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 2iqmfz tomorrows_announcements_drivers_assistance_dual ). Whether these 2 features are both the “D” and “something else” or just the “D” is not known yet. * **10 08 14 – 10:00 p.m EDT** – During a Vanity Fair Summit event Musk confirmed that the announcement has nothing to do with the Model 3 nor the Model X and that the internet (yeah that s us) is mostly right but he specified that no one quite appreciate the magnitude yet… ([link](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=0lT86HB26Ck)) ____________ You can also follow on the live thread: https: www.reddit.com live tpl90n2l1a8g ___________ I ll keep updating this post as I get new information (you simply have to refresh). I doubt we ll get much more than this until the event start. I m probably not the best person to update this since I will not be at the event. I know a few people who will be there and they should update me but that s pretty much it. If anyone think they could get more up-to-date information please let me know and I will delete this post (you can copy the progress from here). Same thing if the mods want to make an official thread. Thank you for the gold!

This is the most excited my girlfriend has been about the D since we stated dating.

When is the announcement happening?

2ire6b

Unveiling of the « D » - Announcement Thread On October 1st Elon Musk sent out a [tweet](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 517486950589014016): &gt About time to unveil the D and something else This picture was attached to the tweet: https: imgur.com O9dSLRO Since then a [picture](https: imgur.com 9gJ0tSx) of a Model S P85D has been shared on the [Tesla Motors Club website](http: www.teslamotorsclub.com ). **The Event** The event is held for owners and the media at the Hawthorne Airport and starts at 7 p.m PDT (local) – 10 p.m EDT [Countdown to the event](http: www.timeanddate.com countdown to?iso=20141009T19&amp p0=1240&amp fg1=000&amp msg=Tesla%3A+D) - by u Horforia Tesla s design studio and SpaceX s headquarters are located right next to the airport. [Picture of the airport](https: imgur.com jCMI3mP) - [Google Earth](https: www.google.ca maps place Hawthorne+Municipal+Airport @33.9214297 -118.3325989 692m data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xc043ce6eb8378ff4) _________ * **10 09 14 – 11:37 p.m EDT** - It s already over. They are offering test drives. This was fun. Thanks everyone. * **10 09 14 – 11:32 p.m EDT** - Self-parking without having to be in the car lane change automatic braking and adaptive cruise control. * **10 09 14 – 11:28 p.m EDT** - Hardware: radars cameras and ultrasonic sonar. * **10 09 14 – 11:25 p.m EDT** - Something else: All cars coming out of the factory have the autopilot harware. * **10 09 14 – 11:24 p.m EDT** - Elon: it s like your personal roller coaster... 3.2 sec 0 to 60... 3 settings: normal sport and insane. * **10 09 14 – 11:20 p.m EDT** - D confirmed to mean Dual Motor * **10 09 14 – 11:17 p.m EDT** - Elon is on stage. * **10 09 14 – 11:17 p.m EDT** - Franz Chief Designer is on stage * **10 09 14 – 11:05 p.m EDT** - Still nothing. They are running an hour late now. * **10 09 14 – 10:57 p.m EDT** - It s starting: live stream here: http: new.livestream.com accounts 10419610 events 3475766 * **10 09 14 – 10:43 p.m EDT** - The USA Today article that broke the embargo has been taken down. * **10 09 14 – 10:22 p.m EDT** -The stage: https: imgur.com wZyChgn via @Econ_finance on Twitter * **10 09 14 – 10:20 p.m EDT** - They are letting people in. It should start shortly - via Twitter. * **10 09 14 – 10:04 p.m EDT** - Probably running late. A lot of people are trying to get in. * **10 09 14 – 09:52 p.m EDT** - Apparently the place is packed: https: imgur.com hkyCrFL - from @TeslaMS60 * **10 09 14 – 09:32 p.m EDT** - P85D can do 0 to 60 in 3.2 seconds according to USA Today. * **10 09 14 – 09:20 p.m EDT** - USA Today published an [article](http: www.usatoday.com story money cars 2014 10 09 tesla-musk-safety-driver-aids 16986665 ) pre-written for the annoucement in which they say that Tesla revealed an AWD version of the Model S that has about 10 more miles of range. They also say that Tesla released driver assist features: The new system will move the car over a lane when the driver uses the turn signal and the car reads speed-limit signs and adjusts the car to the speed on the sign. * **10 09 14 – 09:11 p.m EDT** - A small army of Tesla staffs are on location: https: imgur.com LldH5Ol * **10 09 14 – 07:00 p.m EDT** - Everything is quiet. Nothing to report but I m still here. 3 hours until the unveiling. * **10 09 14 – 03:36 p.m EDT** - Picture from location by [@Philmflash](https: twitter.com Philmflash status 520267880777388032): https: imgur.com 1QtPiAS - reported by u rypalmer * **10 09 14 – 12:00 p.m EDT** – Nothing new to report. News media are still reporting all over the place with possible new models and Model X news even though Musk ruled those out ([link](https: news.google.com news story?pz=1&amp cf=all&amp ned=us&amp hl=en&amp q=tesla+Motors&amp ncl=dqeRhj_1rDRg4mM9PEnte0WOK8GfM&amp cf=all&amp scoring=n)). TSLA is up 1% ahead of the event ([link](https: www.google.ca finance?q=NASDAQ:TSLA&amp ei=B642VIDtL8i5sQeBnoDYBQ&amp authuser=1)). * **10 09 14 – 03:00 a.m EDT** – Following Tesla updating their website u ZyklusDieWelt found the options “Dual Drive Motor” and “Driver s Assistance” in the site s price configurator JS code. ([link\\)](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 2iqmfz tomorrows_announcements_drivers_assistance_dual ). Whether these 2 features are both the “D” and “something else” or just the “D” is not known yet. * **10 08 14 – 10:00 p.m EDT** – During a Vanity Fair Summit event Musk confirmed that the announcement has nothing to do with the Model 3 nor the Model X and that the internet (yeah that s us) is mostly right but he specified that no one quite appreciate the magnitude yet… ([link](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=0lT86HB26Ck)) ____________ You can also follow on the live thread: https: www.reddit.com live tpl90n2l1a8g ___________ I ll keep updating this post as I get new information (you simply have to refresh). I doubt we ll get much more than this until the event start. I m probably not the best person to update this since I will not be at the event. I know a few people who will be there and they should update me but that s pretty much it. If anyone think they could get more up-to-date information please let me know and I will delete this post (you can copy the progress from here). Same thing if the mods want to make an official thread. Thank you for the gold!

This is the most excited my girlfriend has been about the D since we stated dating.

Any predictions on what the stock will do tomorrow?

2iwkdz

Why I am NOT getting the D I ordered a P85 in August and will continue to wait VERY impatiently for my December delivery. Today was a little rough as I spent far too much time in the Design Studio mulling over the option to upgrade to the P85D. Here s why I ultimately decided to stick with my original build. 1. The car I test drove was an S85. I couldn t believe how quick it was but despite that I decided to get the significantly quicker P85. There is no way I will *not* already be super-impressed with the P85 s power when I take delivery. 2. I m probably never going to go faster than 100-110 mph so the new top speed doesn t faze me. 3. I live in the northeast and I love AWD. Having said that I almost *never* drive in the snow. Plus all accounts of the traction controlled RWD Model S in the snow are already fantastic (for example http: youtu.be GS9uDJGi52A) 4. The price difference is significant! While the D option (for the Performance model) is $14 600 you also have to add Smart Air ($2 250) and 21” wheels ($4 500). Since I didn t include them before that makes the cost of the upgrade actually $21 350. (Plus 7% sales tax of course bringing it to $22 844!) And it forces me into two options I never really wanted.

That s what they all say. I don t want the D. I don t need it! I m happy with what I have at home already. The D is too flashy! Too cocky! The D would be too much to handle! Too much attention! This is what they say to themselves and to their friends and family who know they re curious about the D. But then when they go to bed at night and close their eyes secretly privately they think about the D. They think about how *powerful* and *sleek* the D is. They think about the unbelievable even *longer endurance* of the D. They think about the *enormous thrust* the D can make their body feel. They fantasize about how they could achieve roaring speeds with the D unthinkable with their current car. And how when they re just about to reach peak velocity they could simply push a button and *let the D take total control* over them. Completely and utterly surrendering themselves to the power and commanding control of the D until at last it delivers them to their final climactic destination exhausted and exhilarated but always wanting no NEEDING even more of the D.

I see your arguments but the P85D is priced totaly fine Its the equvalent of the Mercedes AMG series BMW M Series or Audi RS series where it also gets very expensive very fast. Base BMW 5 Series 50k BMW M5: 100k

2iwkdz

Why I am NOT getting the D I ordered a P85 in August and will continue to wait VERY impatiently for my December delivery. Today was a little rough as I spent far too much time in the Design Studio mulling over the option to upgrade to the P85D. Here s why I ultimately decided to stick with my original build. 1. The car I test drove was an S85. I couldn t believe how quick it was but despite that I decided to get the significantly quicker P85. There is no way I will *not* already be super-impressed with the P85 s power when I take delivery. 2. I m probably never going to go faster than 100-110 mph so the new top speed doesn t faze me. 3. I live in the northeast and I love AWD. Having said that I almost *never* drive in the snow. Plus all accounts of the traction controlled RWD Model S in the snow are already fantastic (for example http: youtu.be GS9uDJGi52A) 4. The price difference is significant! While the D option (for the Performance model) is $14 600 you also have to add Smart Air ($2 250) and 21” wheels ($4 500). Since I didn t include them before that makes the cost of the upgrade actually $21 350. (Plus 7% sales tax of course bringing it to $22 844!) And it forces me into two options I never really wanted.

That s what they all say. I don t want the D. I don t need it! I m happy with what I have at home already. The D is too flashy! Too cocky! The D would be too much to handle! Too much attention! This is what they say to themselves and to their friends and family who know they re curious about the D. But then when they go to bed at night and close their eyes secretly privately they think about the D. They think about how *powerful* and *sleek* the D is. They think about the unbelievable even *longer endurance* of the D. They think about the *enormous thrust* the D can make their body feel. They fantasize about how they could achieve roaring speeds with the D unthinkable with their current car. And how when they re just about to reach peak velocity they could simply push a button and *let the D take total control* over them. Completely and utterly surrendering themselves to the power and commanding control of the D until at last it delivers them to their final climactic destination exhausted and exhilarated but always wanting no NEEDING even more of the D.

FWIW I ordered a P85 last November and took delivery in March. My knee-jerk is that if I were ordering today I would get the 85D. The P85D is more than I spent but the 85D is comparable or a little less. The 85D isn t quite as quick as the P85 but it s pretty close. I live in Wisconsin and despite the Model S s reputation for doing really well in the winter with rear-wheel drive I don t think there s any disputing that all wheel drive would be better. I haven t experienced winter driving with my P85 yet so I don t have any direct experience with it. I also really like that the D gets extra range. The 85D is actually the highest range configuration with an extra 30 miles of of range compared to the 85. Not trying to change your mind you will absolutely love the P85 I m more thinking aloud than anything else.

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Why I am NOT getting the D I ordered a P85 in August and will continue to wait VERY impatiently for my December delivery. Today was a little rough as I spent far too much time in the Design Studio mulling over the option to upgrade to the P85D. Here s why I ultimately decided to stick with my original build. 1. The car I test drove was an S85. I couldn t believe how quick it was but despite that I decided to get the significantly quicker P85. There is no way I will *not* already be super-impressed with the P85 s power when I take delivery. 2. I m probably never going to go faster than 100-110 mph so the new top speed doesn t faze me. 3. I live in the northeast and I love AWD. Having said that I almost *never* drive in the snow. Plus all accounts of the traction controlled RWD Model S in the snow are already fantastic (for example http: youtu.be GS9uDJGi52A) 4. The price difference is significant! While the D option (for the Performance model) is $14 600 you also have to add Smart Air ($2 250) and 21” wheels ($4 500). Since I didn t include them before that makes the cost of the upgrade actually $21 350. (Plus 7% sales tax of course bringing it to $22 844!) And it forces me into two options I never really wanted.

That s what they all say. I don t want the D. I don t need it! I m happy with what I have at home already. The D is too flashy! Too cocky! The D would be too much to handle! Too much attention! This is what they say to themselves and to their friends and family who know they re curious about the D. But then when they go to bed at night and close their eyes secretly privately they think about the D. They think about how *powerful* and *sleek* the D is. They think about the unbelievable even *longer endurance* of the D. They think about the *enormous thrust* the D can make their body feel. They fantasize about how they could achieve roaring speeds with the D unthinkable with their current car. And how when they re just about to reach peak velocity they could simply push a button and *let the D take total control* over them. Completely and utterly surrendering themselves to the power and commanding control of the D until at last it delivers them to their final climactic destination exhausted and exhilarated but always wanting no NEEDING even more of the D.

They need 19 sport wheels... 21 is too much mass and too little sidewall...

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PSA: Tesla Wall Charger is now only $750 I just noticed in the online configurator and the accessories store that the HPWC is now simply called wall charger and only costs a little bit more than the mobile charger. So if you are considering adding a NEMA 14-50 and mobile charger to your garage it might be worth it to just get the Wall Charger instead.

Nice so I can afford the wall charger. Now I just need the car.

In the past it has been called a High Powered Wall Connector since technically the device itself isn t what charges. When I purchased I planned on getting the HPWC. Based on a lot of feedback from owners I opted not to get the HPWC. If you don t spend extra for dual chargers you won t be able to charge any faster at home. With the NEMA 14-50 and a single charger at 29 miles charge hour you can easily get a full charge overnight. Most days I don t even need more than about 40 miles. Also while I am no expert electrician based on my understanding you need to be able to pull 100 amps to use the HPWC and this is a lot of amps. Which some houses may not even be able to achieve. A lot of people suggested to me buying a second cord to keep in my car for emergencies (it has an adapter for J 1772 public charging stations) rather than spending a significant amount more getting dual chargers and the HPWC.