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In article <5531@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us>, roxannen@cruzio.santa-cruz.ca.us
wrote:
>
> I recently heard of some testing of a new migraine drug called sumatripton
> (I have no idea of the actual spelling) that supposedly utilizes a chemical
> that trips neuro-transmitters. My mother has regular migraines and nothing
> seems to help - does anyone know anything about this new drug? Is it in
> a testing phaze or anywhere near approval? Does it seem to be working?
>
My girlfriend just started taking this drug for her migranes. It really
helped her get through the rebound withdrawl when she got off analgesics.
She doesn't have a mail account, but asked me to forward this:
"Glaxo is the distributor; Imitrex is the drug's brand name. It works.
She can call her pharmacy for more info. The "miracle" drug has been used
for years in Europe and for some time in Canada. Trials in the U.S. were
completed and the drug hit the US market at the end of March. Some
pharmacies don't stock it yet. Presently it needs to be injected
subcutaneously; although testing is starting with a nasal spray form. It
mimics serotonin (its molecular structure that fits onto pain receptors
looks identical to serotonin on a model I saw)"
Opinions are mine or others but definately not MDA's!
Lauger@ssdgwy.mdc.com
McDonnell Douglas Aerospace, Huntington Beach, California, USA
| 13sci.med
|
In article <VEAL.755.735336029@utkvm1.utk.edu>, VEAL@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
|>In article <C5sI9G.Hx@dscomsa.desy.de> hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker) writes:
|>>Any government that allows tinpot dictators to set up shop and declare
|>>a private state has drifted into anarchy. There are laws to control
|>>the ownership of guns and the BATF had good reason to beleive that
|>>they were being violated. They set out to obtain a legal warrant and
|>>attempted to serve it only to be met with gunfire when they rang
|>>the doorbell.
|>
|> The BATF, in a letter they've been sending out to people,
|>says both that they were ambushed because they lost the element of
|>surprise, and that they went up and knocked on the door and had it
|>slammed in their faces.
|>
|> It strikes *me* as kind of strange to rely on surprise to
|>serve a warrant by knocking on the door.
Presumably the B-D did not mount a continuous state of alert with gunmen
ready to fire on people who casually walked up to ring the doorbell.
Once inside the building the BATF would have been in control. Trained
police officers are a match to any bunch of Bozos playing at soldiers.
|>>Had they
|>>expected the B-D to be anything other than peacefull citizens who
|>>would accept a search authorized by a court they would have turned up
|>>in a tank and broken the door down on day one.
|>
|> Phill, the BATF were in a firefight with the BD for *forty-five*
|>minutes. I find it hard to believe that if they were expecting peaceful
|>citizens they *wouldn't* have shown up in live-stock trailers and would
|>have retreated immediately.
Not a smart move. Unless meant to be part of the surprize cover. Even so
the narrow opening of the trucks simply was not a good idea. A side opening
truck would have been much better, more like a covered waggon.
|> If they *were* expecting peacful citizens, why show up with over
|>a hundred officers, some of which clearly visible on video to be carrying
|>sub-machineguns, and *3* National Guard Helicopters?
Sounds just about right to me. Its the minimum amount of force that I
would consider necessary to serve a warrant on the talk.politics.guns
annual dinner.
Michael Hesseltine ordered the use of over 5000 crack troops including
members of the parachute regiment to remove approx 250 hippy peace
protestors on a site where they wanted to install cruise missiles. He
even turned up in a flack jacket to monitor the proceedings. Just about the
most dangerous tool the women possesed was a tin opener. That single
action probably cost him the position as Prime Minister. One of the elders
of my church got arrested in that heroic action by the forces of Toryism.
Hesseltine ever after was something of a national joke.
Phill Hallam-Baker
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
The following problem is really bugging me,
and I would appreciate any help.
I create two windows:
w1 (child to root) with event_mask = ButtonPressMask|KeyPressMask;
w2 (child to w1) with do_not_propagate_mask = ButtonPressMask|KeyPressMask;
Keypress events in w2 are discarded, but ButtonPress events fall through
to w1, with subwindow set to w2.
FYI, I'm using xnews/olvwm.
Am I doing something fundamentally wrong here?
n
| 5comp.windows.x
|
In article <1q1tbnINNnfn@life.ai.mit.edu> sundar@ai.mit.edu writes:
Essential tremor is a progressive hereditary tremor that gets worse
when the patient tries to use the effected member. All limbs, vocal
cords, and head can be involved. Inderal is a beta-blocker and
is usually effective in diminishing the tremor. Alcohol and mysoline
are also effective, but alcohol is too toxic to use as a treatment.
--
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| 13sci.med
|
MG>joohwee students (neural@iss.nus.sg) wrote:
MG>> I went buying SIMMs recently, and the sales person told me that
the
MG>> are 9-chip SIMMs and 3-chip SIMMs, and one cannot use them interchan
MG>> If you use one, you have to use all of the same type.
don't believe everything you are told. I can tell you that mixing them
between 'banks' ok, and I can't see why mixing in one bank is not unless
they are of different speeds ( e.g. mixing of 60ns and 100ns SIMMs in one
bank ). The two only differ in the type of chips it uses. Assuming that
the SIMMS are 1Mx9 ( 9 bit wide ), here is the two equivalent
configuration. The 3-chip SIMM uses two 4-bit wide 4Mbit (1M of 4-bit
nibbles ) and one 1-bit wide 1Mbit chip ( for a total of 9-bit wide 1Mbyte
). The 9-bit SIMM uses nine 1-bit wide 1Mbit chips. These are equivalent
because of the way that it is 'pinned' on the SIMM board. At the SIMM
interface, they both act as 9-bit wide 1MByte SIMMS ( 2*4+1=9*1 ). [sorry
if too techie for ya].
MG>> Similarly, one cannot plug in two 1MB SIMMs and one 4MB SIMMs to
gi
MG>> the system a total of 6 MEG. Why is that so ?? If my system supports
MG>> of 8 MEG (it has 8 SIMM slots), can I plug in 4 4MB SIMMs to give my
MG>> 16MB ??
That sounds correct. the problem is that if your computer takes 9-bit
wide SIMMs, you can not mix different sizes in one bank. Why you ask?
Simple, if you understand why there is banks. Assuming you have a 32-bit
CPU ( 386DX or 486 ), the data bus (e.g. the mechanism to retrieve data
from memory ) is 32-bits wide, so the computer expects to see 32 bits when
it asks for data. To get that bandwidth ( 32-bit wide ), the motherboard
links 4 1Mx9 ( one bit is not data, but parity, so I will ignore that in
this simple explaination ) to get 32bits [ (9-1)*4=32 bits ]. That means
that a SIMM in a bank stores only 1/4 of the 32 bit wide data. If you
have a 16-bit bus, two 1Mx9 SIMMs are linked together to get 16-bit wide
data, which is the reason why 286 banks are 2 SIMMs wide, and 32-bit banks
are 4 SIMMs wide. If your computer required 1Mx36 ( e.g. 32-bit wide data
with 4 parity bits, used in some PS/2s and ASTs ), you could upgrade by
one SIMM at a time.
Hope that this message is not over your head, but the answer to your
question was not simple. I could of just said, 'because I said so.'
-rdd
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In article <1993Apr20.123734.12727@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
>>>The Koreshians rubbed themselves out. Neither Mormons nor Jews have a
>>>propensity for dousing themselves with kerosene, so I'm not particularly
>>>concerned.
>>What, exactly, do you think the Jewish zelots at Masada did? They
>>poisoned themselves and their families, when they were sure there
>>was on other choice but submission or death. Why are you holding
>>the "Branch Davidian" to a higher standard than the Jews?
>The two situations are hardly analogous, unless you wish to make the
>dubious claim that the US legal system would provide equivalent treatment
>to BD children that the Romans did for those of conquered rebels.
Actually, all the analogy calls for the the Branch Davidian _feeling_
their treatment would be along these lines. After a military
assualt (instead of a peacefull effort to serve a warrant) and
weeks os siege, such a feeling might not be completely irrational.
Frank Crary
CU Boulder
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
In article <C5sLAs.B68@blaze.cs.jhu.edu>, arromdee@jyusenkyou.cs.jhu.edu
(Ken Arromdee) wrote:
>
> In article <sandvik-190493200420@sandvik-kent.apple.com> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
> >So we have this highly Christian religious order that put fire
> >on their house, killing most of the people inside.
>
> We have no way to know that the cultists burned the house; it could have been
> the BATF and FBI. We only have the government's word for it, after all, and
> people who started it by a no-knock search with concussion grenades are hardly
> disinterested observers.
Well, looking at the videos it seems that this fire started in various
places at the same time, which would indicate that this was a planned
action. I'm sure FBI and BATF didn't *deliberately* start a possible
fire, having a sniper kill Korresh would have been a far easier
method. Looking at the careful operation, and use of tear gas
that as I know don't start fires, it is less likely that this
was the case.
Sorry, but my bets are on fanatical people keen to start
Armageddon -- theirs.
Cheers,
Kent
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| 19talk.religion.misc
|
I know there's already a bmw mailing list, but since it's an R bike
only list (and limited to the R80* R100* bikes as well I believe)
I've decided to give this a go and see how much interest there is.
please read all of this post if you plan on subscribing to the list!
there is only one restriction for the discussion on this list, that it
be about BMW's. I don't care which BMW, any and all are welcome. I will
probably post articles that appear in the local BMW club newsletter, and
would incourage other club members to do the same, especially tech
articles.
to subscribe to the list, send a message to the list address:
bmw@rider.cactus.org
with the word SUBSCRIBE (in caps) in the *subject* of the message. having
the word SUBSCRIBE in the *subject* is the _only_ way to subscribe. if you
put the keyword in the message body, your message will go out to everyone
on the list and you will be ridiculed beyond belief.
** your From: line must have a valid return address **
** the list sw will use the address in your From: line **
if you would like to use a return address _other_ than what is contained
in your From: line, do not send mail to the list! send a note directly to
me (joe@rider.cactus.org) and I'll take care of it manually.
the list sw will hack up the outgoing message From: line so that your
original full name in ()'s is preserved, but the return address is
replaced with the mailing list address (bmw@rider.cactus.org). this
allows you to simply reply to a message to keep it on the list (depending
on your mail interface natch. I use elm so that's what I wrote it for :-).
keep this in mind when you reply to a message and question the authors
parentage.
to remove your name from the list, send a message to the list address
with the word UNSUBSCRIBE (in caps) in the *subject* of the message.
having the word UNSUBSCRIBE in the *subject* is the _only_ way to remove
your name from the list. if you put the keyword in the message body,
your message will go out to everyone on the list and you will be ridiculed
beyond belief.
the list is run from my home system, a poor little 286 box running a
very old version of something that smells somewhat like unix. the MTA
isn't the smartest around, but I've managed to hack it up enough to make
a decent list MTA. additions and removals are handled automatically by
scripts that intercept messages based on the subject (see below) and
may occassionally goof. the sw will send a response message back when you
subscribe. if you do not receive a response within a reasonable amount
of time (my link is via UUCP and sometimes runs in spurts), send me a
message (joe@rider.cactus.org) and I'll look into it.
if the list turns out to be too popular and the MTA groks over the number
of addresses, I'll have to freeze the list recipients until I can come up
with a better MTA.
good luck...
--
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joe@mpd.tandem.com
BMW Mailing List bmw@rider.cactus.org
Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
In article <1993Apr20.071549.24839@csc.canberra.edu.au>, u934132@student.canberra.edu.au (Ogawa / Taro Stephen (ISE)) writes:
|> Could someone please tell me if a 1/4 decoder is the same as a 1 to 4
|> demultiplexer. I know how to link 2 of these to get an 8 output circuit,
|> but how do I link 5 of these to make a 1/16 multiplexer. Sorry if this
|> seems like a lame question, but I'm only a newbie to electronics, and I
|> have to do this circuit. Please make any mail as droolproof as possible.
|>
|> Thanx,
|> Taro Ogawa
|> (u934132@student.canberra.edu.au)
A 1 of 4 decoder need not be the same as a 1 to 4 demultiplexer, although
many commercial SSI implementations allow you to use one as such. Strictly,
a 1 of 4 decoder need only take two lines in and make one output change
state, according to the inputs.
A demux, on the other hand, uses two control inputs to determine which
of four outputs will reflect the state of the input signal. So there are
three inputs required.
A decoder can be used as a demux if it is equipped with an output enable
input, since this can be used as the data input (e.g. when high, all
outputs are high; when low, only the selected (by control inputs) output
will be low).
An eight way decoder is created by using the high order bit (bit 2) to
select which of two four way demuxes is enabled. Thus you achieve your
aim of having only one output of eight reflecting the input bits. Note
that this method cannot be used to create a true eight way demux, since
you have no data input (the enable line on a four way decoder) left
once you commit the enable lines to their intended purpose.
A sixteen way decoder obviously requires four, four-way decoders, plus
a mechanism to enable only one of the four at a time. Therefore, use
the fifth decoder, attached to the two high order bits, to provide the
four enable lines.
Of course, the two low order bits must be connected in parallel to the
four final stage decoders.
Please give me the credit when you submit your homework.
JohnH
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[]
"These LPT1, COM1, disk controller are call devices. There are
devices that requires exclusive interrupt ownership, eg. disk
controller (I6) and keyboard (I1). There are also devices that
does not require exclusive ownership, ie. it will share an
interrupt with another device, eg. LPT1"
No. In a standard ISA bus, the one that almost all non-laptop PCs use,
two separate interface cards cannot share an interrupt. This is due to
a screwup in the bus design. For example, if your Soundblaster wants
to drive interrupt number 7, then it must hold a certain bus wire to 0
or 1 at all times, depending on whether or not it wants an interrupt.
This precludes letting another card assert interrupt number 7.
When two or more devices in an ISA bus PC share an interrupt, it's
because they're implemented by a single card.
-=- Andrew Klossner (andrew@frip.wv.tek.com)
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
In article <115847@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>Well, in 1984 one was not allowed to leave the domain of authority. One
>_is_ free to leave Islam. If one regards Islamic law as a curse one
>should consider leaving Islam.
The only way out seems to be death.
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" I'd Cheat on Hillary Too."
John Laws
Local GOP Reprehensitive
Extolling "Traditional Family Values."
| 0alt.atheism
|
Has anyone ever heard of the X Professional Organization? Is anyone a member?
Is the membership worth the $100 or so that they charge?
Tim Bomgardner
| 5comp.windows.x
|
In article <1993Apr15.175427.15489@waikato.ac.nz> ldo@waikato.ac.nz (Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Waikato University) writes:
>In article <1993Apr13.165114.1097@csus.edu>, altheimm@nextnet.csus.edu (Murray Altheim) writes:
>
>> That was my point. :-) Sony did manufacture the PowerBook 100 under license
>> from Apple. AND IT ACTUALLY WORKS!
Yup, I bought the darn thing cause it was sturdy. I carry it around in
an unpadded (unless you consider all the papers and files and folders)
bookbag (shoulder strap little job from Eddie Bauer). I've travelled
cross country several times with Walkman, DiscMan and tapes, books and
computer all piled in their. My PB100 works happily, and I'm typing on
it right now... It has a Global Village Teleport 9600 V.32 internal
send/receive fax-modem, and I just love it.
Unfortunately, I have seen a new Duo 230 that a friend bought as a
primary computer (I have a Mac IIsi and SE30 as primary home
computers, and Quadra and IIci at work in the lab). And while amazed
at the lightness of it, I was kinda shocked at the flimsiness of the
screen. I'm sure it'd break real easy....
>>
>> (Sorry, but other than my Trinitron, everything else I've ever bought from
>> Sony has failed. Why did I keep trying? Because I'm 'tupid.)
>
>Aw, c'mon. I've got a Sony VCR, a Sony TV (both must be over two years old by
>now), a Sony camcorder (five months old?), and of course an Apple 13" RGB
>monitor with a Sony tube that I'm never going to part with. And the CD-300i
>drive in my month-old Centris 650 is in fact a Sony.
>
>Maybe it's a question of personal compatibility. Maybe your body puts out the
>wrong polarity of static electricity, or something... :-)
>
Geez, we are a Sony familly. Our neighbor works for Zeinth and hates
it (always asks why we didn't buy Zeinth products). Nice guy
nevertheless. We still have two working Sony Color Trinitrons from
1972 and 1974. Older one is on it's second picture tube, but both
work. Now they're relegated to the old 8-bit atari computer and atari
2600 game machinces, as well as our not-that-old younger sister's
Nintendo game machine. Sony doesn't make TV's like they used to
though, the newer Mexican assembly-line TV's are not that reliable or
sharp anymore... Dad also just got a 35" direct-view Sony (god, the
thing weighs a ton!). :) Still, where would we be without Trinitrons,
CD players, or the veritable Walkman????
-shishin "squish" yamada
squish@endor.harvard.edu
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
kempmp@phoenix.oulu.fi (Petri Pihko) writes:
> mathew (mathew@mantis.co.uk) wrote:
> : And I agree. I think you merely misunderstood the point I was trying to
> : make, which is that we simplify the real situation to something we can deal
> : with. For instance, we talk about electron pairs, and draw diagrams of
> : molecules with little markings to show these pairs of electrons. This is
> : actually nonsense, but it's a perfectly good model for predicting all kinds
> : of chemical reactions.
>
> Your original posting shows that you seem to think chemists still think
> this way. It is true that basic chemistry is still taught in terms of
> electron pairs and valences, but this is not what _chemists_ are taught,
> and this is not how they should think.
What is the difference between a "_chemist_" and someone who is taught
Chemistry at, say, Cambridge University?
> I suggest you take a look at P.W. Atkins's classic text _Physical Chemistry_
> (4th ed., Oxford University Press 1990) to see how chemistry is taught today.
Has there been some revolution in teaching methods in the last four years?
Perhaps the confusion comes from the fact that I was thinking of organic
chemistry, whereas you were thinking of physical chemistry.
mathew
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
Hello networld!
I'm looking for documentation/books on parametric drafting.
Does anyone know of such material, electronic on a Gopher/ftp-site
or books/authors.
Im not looking for commercial software rather info on implementation
and theory of the subject. Im planning to make a parametric
generator for autocad and i would need some referance.
Everything you know is of interest!
Thanks in advace!!
//Lasse
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| 1comp.graphics
|
At the moment, I am using a Sun 3/80 (cgfour/bwtwo) with SunOS 4.0.3
and OpenWindows 2.0.
This configuration is slow and I can't run all the programs on OW2. For
example, when I start a mailtool from OW3 and display it on my OW2
display, I can't open the compose window.
I want to install an X11R5 or X11R4 server on my Sun and use xdm (yes,
we have xdm already running for other X-Terminals) to log in and start
the X programs.
Is there a "ready to go" binairy of the X11 server for my configuration
(I have read something about Xsun), or must I compile the X11 stuff by
myself?
Any help is welcome
V. Smeets
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| 5comp.windows.x
|
goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Mark Goldberg) writes:
>In rec.autos, jmh@hopper.Virginia.EDU (Jeffrey Hoffmeister) writes:
>>My suggestion, stay where you are, or shop around but STAY AWAY from Geico!
>I strongly agree with Jeff. Here's my horror story. Many years back,
>I switched to Geico from State Farm to save some $$$$. I have a relatively
>new sports car, for which we covered with liability, collision, and
>comprehensive. With this make of car, new models came out in January,
>not September like other makes. The car was purchased in August of
>that year.
>We also had a much older clunker for which we only wanted liability.
>Low and behold, a vandal slashed the roof of the sports car and we put
>in a claim. This was in October - still the current model year for
>the car. A new top, with installation was $135. We had $50 deductible
>so we should have gotten $85. You had to go to Geico's local office
>to have an adjuster see the car, unlike State Farm that sent the adjusters
>to the shop or your place. He said, "Since the car is now one year
>old, we'll depreciate the top by $50, so you'll get $35 on the claim.
>This will also count as an accident against you, so your rate may increase."
>The hassle continued. Then we got a letter from Geico, saying "Claim
>denied - your policy on this car doesn't cover this." I then learned
>that their records had the full coverage (collision, etc.) on our old
>clunker, and only had liability for this new car!!!! They mixed up
>our cars in their records. I fixed the top myself with some carpet
>thread and dropped my claim. They still charged me with an "accident!"
>I cancelled my policy and switched to another company.
>The coup de gras came when they sent me a bill for an additional balance
>due for the difference in collision/comprehensive cost between my sports
>car and my clunker!!! I returned the bill unpaid with a nastygram,
>plus explicity directions to perform recto-cranial insertion!!!!
>Haven't heard from them since.
> /|/| /||)|/ /~ /\| |\|)[~|)/~ | Everyone's entitled to MY opinion.
> / | |/ ||\|\ \_|\/|_|/|)[_|\\_| | goldberg@oasys.dt.navy.mil
>========Imagination is more important than knowledge. - Albert Einstein=======
Good for you. I am convinced that someone should start a boycott
against GEICO. Any takers?
--
Chintan Amin <The University of Illinois UrbanaChampaign> mail: llama@uiuc.edu
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| 7rec.autos
|
Everyone... Read this. If you have already sent your predictions, please
correct the Patrick division if you would like. You have until midnight
on monday (my time.)
You may need to correct these games...
3 - Pittsburgh vs. New Jersey
4 - New York Islanders vs. Washington
10 - Patrick Division Winner
13 - Wales Conference Winner
15 - Stanley Cup Winner
Please forward all corrections to
Richard Madison
rrmadiso@napier.uwaterloo.ca
>1st rd: Pens over Isles in 4.
> Devils over Caps in 6.
>2nd: Pens over Devils in 7.
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
Can people please send me any hints on building X11R5 with gcc 2.3.3 ? Is
there any pitfalls to be avoided ? Any hints ? I would appreciate hearing other
peoples' stories on this.
--tim
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| 5comp.windows.x
|
>DATE: Fri, 23 Apr 1993 00:03:11 GMT
>FROM: Tackey Chan <tac@world.std.com>
>
>wall@cc.swarthmore.edu (Matthew Wall) writes:
>
>>So, anybody know what's up with John Franco? Are the Mets just starting him
>>off gingerly because of the small amount of spring training work, or what?
>
> The Mets are REALLY starting him off slow. Mike Maddax and
>Young can do the job of closing. Torborg has said that he Franco is
>his closer but will give him rest and not rush him since there is no
>need. He does not want Franco to get hurt on his return. I have this
>guy so I know what it is like to see him pitch 2 inns in that lat 2
>weeks.
>
> ------TAC
Well, they just said that Franco will probably go on the DL tomorrow.
(They mentioned a career minor leaguer as the "warm body" who would go
along...I forget.)
Also, when answering questions about the rotation, Coleman (SD
broadcaster) said that Hurst is gone in about a month-month and a half,
which is when he should finish re-hab.
Later
Dennis
Dennis Parslow That better be a Korean good
Troy, NY 12180 luck symbol! -Remo Williams
p00421@psilink.com
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
My last article included this quote:
"If any substantial number of [ talk.religion.misc ] readers read some
Wittgenstein, 60% of the postings would disappear. (If they *understood*
some Wittgenstein, 98% would disappear. :-))" -- Michael L Siemon
Someone called `boundary' wrote:
> This quote seems a little arrogant, don't you think?
There is a convention called a `smiley', which looks like this: :-) .
It is supposed to look like a sideways smiley-face, and indicates that the
preceding comment is supposed to be funny.
And, I'll note that I have participated on talk.religion.misc for over
five years -- I'd say Mr Siemon was not too far off. 8^)
*
In the meat of his reply, Mr Boundary serves up an excellent example of what
I meant by "There is no way out of the loop". I wrote that human brains "are
infested with sin", and can be trusted only in limited circumstances.
In reply, Mr Boundary wrote:
> I would beg to differ with you here. The properly-formed conscience
> can be trusted virtually ALL the time.
Which just moves the problem back one level: how do you tell if your
conscience is properly formed?
The only way to tell is to presuppose that you are capable of judging the
formed-ness of your own conscience. In other words, you can only be sure
that your conscience is `properly formed' if you assume that your evaluation
can be trusted. Assuming your conclusions saves you a lot of time, I'll
grant, but it's not a valid way of reasoning.
Unless you are infallible, your judgements about your own thinking cannot be
certain. Therefore, it is not possible to be certain your conscience is
`properly formed'. (Whatever that is supposed to mean.)
Mr Boundary then gives another paradigm example of the problem:
> Now you have hit on the purpose of the Church. It is by necessity the
> infallible interpreter of divine revelation. Without the Church,
> Christianity would be nothing more than a bunch of little divisive sects.
The Church is `by necessity' the infallible interpreter of divine revelation?
How do you know? Presumably, you believe this because of some argument or
another -- how do you know that the argument contains no mistakes?
You write:
> Therefore, although our minds are finite and susceptible to error, our
> competence in arriving at inductive insights gives confidence in our
> ability to distinguish what is true from what is not true, even in areas
> not subject to the experimental method.
But there is a huge difference between `confidence in our ability to
distinguish what is true from what is not true' and `infallible'. I am
confident about a lot of things, but absolute certainty is a very long way
from `confident'.
This discussion is about the arrogance of claiming to be absolutely certain
(really, go check the subject line). Saying you are absolutely certain is
significantly different than saying you are confident. When you say that
you are confident, that invites people to ask why.
Except in very limited circumstances, when you say that you are absolutely
certain, it invites people to dismiss you as someone who does not have any
idea of his own fallibility.
I have yet to meet anyone who believed in a knowably-infallible source of
truth who would admit the possibility of errors in his reasoning. All of
them -- every last one -- has claimed that he was himself infallible.
The result has been to convince me that they had no idea what was going on.
Darren F Provine / kilroy@gboro.rowan.edu
[This particular discussion may not be entirely relevant to the
original criticism. I get the feeling that the original poster
regarded as arrogant the very idea that there are right and wrong
answers in religion, and that the difference can have eternal
consequences. When I say that I think there is a hell and that he is
at least in significant danger of ending up there, I will admit that
-- as you say -- the reasoning processes I used to reach this are
fallible. Thus at least in principle I could be wrong. But these
basic facts are clearly enough taught in the Bible that I think it's
unlikely that I'm misinterpreting it. (In order to get this level of
confidence, I've tried to frame my statement sufficiently carefully as
to sidestep a number of the more controversial issues. I haven't, for
example said that all non-Christians will definitely end up in hell,
and I haven't attempted to describe hell in any detail.) I have a
feeling that my view is going to be regarded as arrogant and
intolerant even though I acknowledge that I'm fallible and so there's
some chance I'm wrong.
Don't get me wrong -- I think there are a lot of genuinely arrogant
Christians, and often criticism of us is justified. But in at least
some cases I think the criticisms constitute blaming the messenger.
If the universe is set up so that there are eternal consequences for
certain decisions, it's not my fault -- I'm just telling it the way I
think it is. You may think God is immoral for setting things up that
way. It's one of the critiques of Christianity that I find it most
difficult to respond to. But it's not arrogance for me to tell what
I think is the truth.
--clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian
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layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Colin Layfield) writes:
>In article <1pdlksINNmq7@GIRAFFE.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU> wuziyun%suned@cs.yale.edu (You wanna know?) writes:
>>
>>
>>Let me give my two cents worth in this whole thing:
>>
>> I am very sick of Pittsburg fans(and they are my second favorite team)
>>talk about how " why can't Bruins forget about Ulf Samuelsson when we have
>>forgotten all about Adam Graves" Beside the obvious fact that Lemeuix's career
>>was never endangered by Graves' slash while Neely is still bother by his injury,
>>I think the most important reason is:
>>
>> ADAM GRAVES HAS PLAYED CLEAN HOCKEY EVER SINCE! WHILE ULF SAMULESSON
>> CONTINUES TO PLAY DIRTY(YES, TRYING TO HIT A PLAYER WHERE HE'S INJURED
>> IS DIRTY). FANS HAVE CAN FORGET ABOUT ONE DIRTY PLAY BUT HOW CAN YOU
>> FORGET ABOUT ULF SAMULESSON WHEN EVERYNIGHT, WHEN I WATCH HOCKEY HIGH
>> LIGHTS, I GET REMINDED OF HOW DIRTY HE IS.
>Hitting a player when he's injured is dirty? Can you explain this statement?
>Do you mean a player who was just injured on the ice(?) or do you mean a player
>who is playing hurt. If a player is hurt he should not bother playing because
>I don't belive ANY PLAYER should be let up on just because they are playing
>hurt.
>I'm not an Ulf fan but at least I can spot the fact he is like Calgary's
>Theoren Fleury in the respect that part of his game is to really piss other
>players off as that's part of his job (But he lacks Ulf's size!).
I AM an Ulf (and Pgh) fan, and what pisses me off about the whole Adam Graves/
Ulf Samuesson debate is that Ulf plays hard-hitting hockey (nothing wrong with
that) while Graves does what he does when the only way to win a game is to
intentionally hurt someone (which bites!).
>Players that REALLY piss me off are the ones who insist on hitting from behind
>or try to go for the knees to injure the players. This kind of garbage has
>got to go (I would really like to see Muni get pasted as he is one of the
>worst offenders).
I thought they had instituted all kinds of new rules this season to stop crap
like that?!? Is it just me, or does the officiating just still stink to high
heaven? IMHO, if they could get rid of the existing refs, and institute a new
system with more than one ref on the ice to keep an eye on the trouble-makers
then a lot of these things would stop, and then the game would be ruled by the
finnesse players: Mario, Selanne, Bure, Messier, et.al...
>Just my $0.02.
> Colin Layfield | "Religion and Sex are power plays,
> | Manipulate the people for the money they pay,
> The University of Calgary | Selling Skin, Selling God
> Computer Science | The numbers look the same on their CREDIT CARDS!"
> layfield@cpsc.ucalgary.ca | - Queensryche
Tim Drozinski
Embry-Riddle Aero. Univ.
drozinst@erau.db.erau.edu
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
In article <1qlf7gINN8sn@gap.caltech.edu>, keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
|> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|>
|> >In another part of this thread, you've been telling us that the
|> >"goal" of a natural morality is what animals do to survive.
|>
|> That's right. Humans have gone somewhat beyond this though. Perhaps
|> our goal is one of self-actualization.
Humans have "gone somewhat beyond" what, exactly? In one thread
you're telling us that natural morality is what animals do to
survive, and in this thread you are claiming that an omniscient
being can "definitely" say what is right and what is wrong. So
what does this omniscient being use for a criterion? The long-
term survival of the human species, or what?
How does omniscient map into "definitely" being able to assign
"right" and "wrong" to actions?
|>
|> >But suppose that your omniscient being told you that the long
|> >term survival of humanity requires us to exterminate some
|> >other species, either terrestrial or alien.
|>
|> Now you are letting an omniscient being give information to me. This
|> was not part of the original premise.
Well, your "original premises" have a habit of changing over time,
so perhaps you'd like to review it for us, and tell us what the
difference is between an omniscient being be able to assign "right"
and "wrong" to actions, and telling us the result, is.
|>
|> >Does that make it moral to do so?
|>
|> Which type of morality are you talking about? In a natural sense, it
|> is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't
|> adversely affect your own, I guess).
I'm talking about the morality introduced by you, which was going to
be implemented by this omniscient being that can "definitely" assign
"right" and "wrong" to actions.
You tell us what type of morality that is.
jon.
| 0alt.atheism
|
Mr. Blue (car@access.digex.com) wrote:
: Could somebody explain to me what a centrifuge is and what it is
: used for? I vaguely remembre it being something that spins test tubes
: around really fast but I cant remember why youd want to do that?
Purely recreational. They get bored sitting in that
rack all the time.
--
bob. | I only smile when I lie,
You can learn more in a bar | And I'll tell you why...
than you can in a lawyer's office. |
Were these more than just my opinions, they would have cost a bit more.
| 13sci.med
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In article <26APR199315363120@rigel.tamu.edu> mst4298@rigel.tamu.edu (Mitchell S Todd) writes:
>In article <1993Apr26.022246.18294@scubed.com>, wilkins@scubed.com (Darin Wilkins) writes...
>>>In article <C5w7CA.M3s@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> tbrent@ecn.purdue.edu (Timothy J Brent) writes:
>>>>If you check the news today, (AP) the "authorities also found a state-of-the-art
>>>>automatic machine gun that investigators did not know was in the cult's arsenal."
>>>>[Carl Stern, Justice Department]
>
>>In article <1r7hmlINNc6@mojo.eng.umd.edu> russotto@eng.umd.edu (Matthew T. Russotto) writes:
>>>Yeah. In a fire that reportedly burned hotter than 1000 degrees-- hot
>>>enough to make the bodies still unidentifiable-- the authorities found
>>>a gun that was recognizably fully-automatic and state of the art.
>>>Isn't that CONVEEEENIENT?
>
>
>>Assuming the most favorable interpretation of your '1000 degree'
>>measurement (that the temperature is in Centigrade, rather than the
>>more common -in the US- Fahrenheit), you are still laboring under at
>>least 2 misconceptions:
>
>>1. You seem to believe that steel melts somewhere around 1000 C.
>> Actually, the melting point of most iron alloys (and steels are
>> iron alloys) is in the neighborhood of 1400 C. Even if the gun
>> were found in area which achieved the 1000 C temperature, the steel
>> parts of the gun would not be deformed, and it would still be
>> trivial to identify the nature of the weapon.
>
> Steel may not melt at 1000C, but it will weaken, expand and deform.
> If there is enough of a load on the steel, like the load on a steel
> roof truss, or the pressure exerted by steel parts in a machine
> trying to expand against each other, the steel can and will
> deform extensively. For the record, any weapon found in
> the cult compound should be indentifiable, but it may be
> impossible to do normal ballistics tests because of the
> damage done to the weapon.
If, if, if.... Anyway, the question was if the gun was identifiable, which
it is.
-Tim
> Mitchell S Todd \\\\/ / _____/__________________________
_________________________________________________________________________
| | |
| Timothy J. Brent | A man will come to know true happiness, |
| BRENT@bank.ecn.purdue.edu | only when he accepts that he is but a |
|=========$$$$==================| small part of an infinite universe. |
| PURDUE UNIVERSITY | -Spinoza |
| MATERIALS SCIENCE ENGINEERING | [paraphrased] |
|_______________________________|_________________________________________|
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
In article <1qhuhm$ep8@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> cl056@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Hamaza H. Salah) writes:
[ in reference to Benjamin Netanyahu ]
didn't this guy go crying on the "zionist" tv confessing
that he committed adultary, and was cheating on his wife..
a typical jew leader, huh?
Just to remind all loyal listeners, Benjamin is the brother of
Yonatan Netanyahu. Do we all remember Entebbe?
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Harry.
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
A few days ago I posted a question about trying to call a function which set
up an X app multiple times. It was pointed out that XtAppInitialize() should
never be called more than once. This helped. However, I am still having
some problems. Below is a new little test program that more closely models
my real program. In the actual program, I am writing a library, callable
from any other program. This means that the first time the lib function is
called, it must initialize things, and after that, it should just use the
old stuff (still around because of static variables). In the demo below,
main() represents the main program calling my library and doit() represents
the interface to the library function.
#include <X11/Xlib.h>
#include <Xm/Xm.h>
#include <Xm/PushB.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
void bla(XtAppContext app, Widget top)
{
Widget topone = top; // in real prog, these are member vars
XtAppContext theapp = app; // of a class
int junk = 0;
Display *dis = XtOpenDisplay(theapp, NULL, NULL, NULL, NULL, 0, &junk,
NULL);
Widget box = XtVaCreateManagedWidget("blaaa", xmPushButtonWidgetClass,
topone,
XmNheight, 50,
XmNwidth, 50,
NULL);
XtRealizeWidget(topone);
for (int i=0;i<=25;i++) // real prog returns when "Exit" button clicked
{
XEvent event;
XtAppNextEvent(theapp, &event);
XtDispatchEvent(&event);
}
XtDestroyWidget(box);
XtCloseDisplay(dis);
}
// SetItUp - should be called once only
void SetItUp(XtAppContext *app, Widget *top)
{
int junk = 0;
(*top)=XtAppInitialize (app, "test", NULL, 0, &junk, NULL,
NULL, NULL, 0);
}
// doit - some library function callable from the outside
void doit()
{
static XtAppContext app; // use these every time called
static Widget top;
static int setup = 0;
if (!setup)
{
SetItUp(&app, &top);
setup = 1;
}
bla(app, top);
}
// main - program which links to my library
main()
{
for (int i=0;i<=20;i++)
{
doit();
printf("sleeping...\n");//widget still on screen at this point
sleep(5);
}
}
The problem is that the widget does not go away until the new one is created.
(It is still on the screen -- unusuable -- during the "sleep" in the main prog,
despite the XtDestroyWidget call).
Anyone see something I'm missing?
Thanks very much.
(Please respond via email)
--
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Rex Wood -- davewood@cs.colorado.edu -- University of Colorado at Boulder
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| 5comp.windows.x
|
In article <1993Apr20.102756.1709@mala.bc.ca> wagner@mala.bc.ca (TOM WAGNER, Wizzard of old Audio/Visual Equipment........Nanaimo Campus) writes:
>In article <C5r60r.4ID@megatest.com>, alung@megatest.com (Aaron Lung) writes:
>> In article <C5qsBF.IEK@ms.uky.edu> billq@ms.uky.edu (Billy Quinn) writes:
>>>I built a little project using the radio shack 5vdc relays to switch
>>>audio. I got pretty bad 'clicks' when the thing switched. I was doing
>>>My question is:
>>> Is there a good relay/relay circuit that I can use for switching
>>>audio, so that there will be *NO* noise of any kind on the audio lines.
>>
>> Are you switching high level signals or low level signals like pre-amp
>A novel circuit I used to build was a primitive "optical isolator".. It consists
>of a resistive photocell and a lamp, all packaged in a tube. When the lamp is
>off the cell is high resistance. Turn the lamp on and the resistance lowers
I use an H11F1 FET optoisolater to switch microphone level signals.
There is no click, since I put a .1uF cap across the LED. Distortion
measurement are very low with mic level, and they went up to 0.03% at a
+ 14 dB line level. All I did was put the FET in series with one leg
of the balanced line. No hums, pops, just audio jumping out of silence.
The FET runs about 100 million ohms with the LED dark and drops to 150-200
ohms with it on.
Hey, it works, and works well.
Galen Watts, KF0YJ
| 12sci.electronics
|
In article <C5rLps.Fr5@world.std.com>, jhallen@world.std.com (Joseph H Allen) writes:
|> In article <1qvk8sINN9vo@clem.handheld.com> jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes:
|>
|> It was interesting to watch the 700 club today. Pat Robertson said that the
|> "Branch Dividians had met the firey end for worshipping their false god." He
|> also said that this was a terrible tragedy and that the FBI really blew it.
I don't necessarily agree with Pat Robertson. Every one will be placed before
the judgement seat eventually and judged on what we have done or failed to do
on this earth. God allows people to choose who and what they want to worship.
Worship of money is one of the greatest religions in this country.
I do agree that it was a terrible tragedy and, yes, the FBI blew it.
|> However, I still feel that he's forgetting that every major religion in the
|> world had a similarly humble 'cult-status' beginning- even, and perhaps
|> especially, christianity.
Cult status, maybe, but they didn't have to take up arms to protect themselves.
As you may recall, the early Christians were pacifists preferring to avoid
physical confrontation rather than dealing with it in like manner. Why else
do you think the apostles were thrown into jail so often and beaten up for the
sake of their beliefs?
|> It is perhaps worthwhile to consider that the
|> Branch Dividians' apocalyptic prophecies have been fulfilled.
Self-fulfilled. I heard that Koresh was predicting that the FBI would be the
ones to burn. It doesn't take any great insight to light yourself on fire, maybe
perverse delusion.
|> Maybe David
|> Koresh really was Jesus Christ (sure sounds like a neat opening epic for a
|> new major religion to me).
|> --
NOT! He was an egomaniac who had the attention of the entire world for a brief
moment in time. Rather than live with the shame of being taken captive by the
FBI, Koresh chose to kill himself and his followers. Sick and . . . sad.
|> /* jhallen@world.std.com (192.74.137.5) */ /* Joseph H. Allen */
|> int a[1817];main(z,p,q,r){for(p=80;q+p-80;p-=2*a[p])for(z=9;z--;)q=3&(r=time(0)
|> +r*57)/7,q=q?q-1?q-2?1-p%79?-1:0:p%79-77?1:0:p<1659?79:0:p>158?-79:0,q?!a[p+q*2
|> ]?a[p+=a[p+=q]=q]=q:0:0;for(;q++-1817;)printf(q%79?"%c":"%c\n"," #"[!a[q-1]]);}
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
In article <1r4ef7$408@transfer.stratus.com> cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) writes:
>Do you think a $200 tax evasion justifies an armed assault by the government
>with 100 armed men in trailers, orchestrated character assassination, noise
>torture, and a holocaust?
I doubt if Koresh had let the BATF have a look inside his place as they
intended to do, "orchestrated character assassination, noise torture, and
a holocaust" would never have come to pass.
The BD's killed members of the BATF on the first day. "Orchestrated character
assassination and noise torture" seem like a small retribution. The use
of tanks is quesionable however.
--Abhijit
--
BHATTACHARYA,ABHIJIT
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt5311b
Internet: gt5311b@prism.gatech.edu
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
Recurrent Volvulus
-------------------
This is regarding recurrent volvulus which our little boy
has been suffering from ever since he was an infant. He had
a surgery when he was one year old. Another surgery had
to be performed one year after, when he was two years old.
He turned three this February and he is still getting
afflicted by this illness, like having to get hospitalised
for vomitting and accompanying stomach pain.He managed
not having a third surgery so far.
* One thing me and my wife noticed is that his affliction
peaks around the time he was born, on nearabouts, like in
March every year. Any significance to this?
* Why does this recur? Me and my family go through severe pain
when our little boy have to undergo surgery. Why does surgery
not rectify the situation?
* Also, which hospital in US or Canada specialize in this malady?
* What will be a good book explaining this disease in detail?
* Will keeping a particular diet keep down the probability of
recurrence?
* As time goes on, will the probability of recurrence go down
considering he is getting stronger and healthier and probably
less prone to attacks? Or is this assumption wrong?
* Any help throwing light on these queries will be highly appreciated.
Thanks very much!
jose@csd.uwo.ca
| 13sci.med
|
In article <1993Apr20.232449.22318@kpc.com> henrik@quayle.kpc.com writes:
In article <MUCIT.93Apr20144400@vein.cs.rochester.edu>, mucit@cs.rochester.edu (Bulent Murtezaoglu) writes:
[...]
henrik] Country. Turks and Azeris consistantly WANT to drag ARMENIA into the
henrik] KARABAKH conflict with Azerbaijan.
BM] Gimme a break. CAPITAL letters, or NOT, the above is pure nonsense. It
BM] seems to me that short sighted Armenians are escalating the hostilities
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
henrik] Again, Armenians in KARABAKH are SIMPLY defending themselves. What do
henrik] want them to do. Lay down their ARMS and let Azeris walk all over them.
News reports I've seen say otherwise both location and motives wise.
CAPS don't change facts.
BM] while hoping that Turkey will stay out. Stop and think for a moment,
BM] will you? Armenia doesn't need anyone to drag her into the conflict, it
BM] is a part of it.
henrik] Armenians KNEW from the begining that TURKS were FULLY engaged
henrik] training AZERIS militarily to fight against KARABAKHI-Armenians.
So? Should I, at this point break into caps and start talking about
DEFENSE etc.? I don't know how 'fully engaged' Turkey is/was though.
henrik] The KARABAKHI-ARMENIANS who have lived in their HOMELAND for 3000
henrik] years (CUT OFF FROM ARMENIA and GIVEN TO AZERIS BY STALIN) are the
henrik] ones DIRECTLY involved in the CONFLICT. They are defending
henrik] themselves against AZERI AGGRESSION.
BM] Huh? You didn't expect Azeri's to be friendly to forces fighting with them
BM] within their borders?
henrik] Well, history is SAD. Remember, those are relocated Azeris into
henrik] the Armenian LAND of KARABAKH by the STALIN regime.
So I hear. This justifies bloodshed N years after the fact?
henrik] At last, I hope that the U.S. insists that Turkey stay out of the
henrik] KARABAKH crisis so that the repeat of the CYPRUS invasion WILL NEVER
henrik] OCCUR again.
BM] You're not playing with a full deck, are you? Where would Turkey invade?
henrik] It is not up to me to speculate but I am sure Turkey would have stepped
henrik] into Armenia if SHE could.
Why would Turkey do that? Do you not realize that this is a local clash
that Turkey never wished to see happen? Turkey has other plans for region,
like economic revival, co-operation etc. Good stuff in other words, I'd
be happy to bicker with Armenians over trade barriers and such on USENET
rather than 'who killed whom in what way' which I detest doing and wouldn't
do.
BM] Are you throwing the Cyprus buzzword around with s.c.g. in the header
BM] in hopes that the Greek netters will jump the gun?
henrik] Absolutely NOT ! I am merely trying to emphasize that in many
henrik] cases, HISTORY repeats itself.
Even if one buys into your implicit premise, the sane thing to do would
be to try not to provoke Turkey as was done in '74. If there'd been
a democratic government instead of a bunch of idiots in Athens at the
time, everybody would have stayed home with their families. [I have no
wish to go into the Cyprus quarrel, but I suspect what I've said is not
only accurate but also palatable to all parties involved]
BM] Yes indeed Turkey has the military prowess to intervene, what she wishes
BM] she had, however, is the diplomatic power to stop the hostilities and bring
BM] the parties to the negotiating table. That's hard to do when Armenians
BM] are attacking Azeri towns.
henrik] So, let me understand in plain WORDS what you are saying; Turkey
henrik] wants a PEACEFUL END to this CONFLICT. NOT !!
So what do you think we want? War, death and destruction?
henrik] I will believe it when I see it.
No, if you allow yourself to believe it you just might see it.
henrik] Now, as far as attacking, what do you do when you see a GUN pointing
henrik]to your HEAD ? Do you sit there and WATCH or DEFEND yoursef(fat chance)?
This kind of childish rhetoric doesn't help anthing.
henrik] Do you remember what Azeris did to the Armenians in BAKU ? All the
henrik] BARBERIAN ACTS especially against MOTHERS and their CHILDREN. I mean
henrik] BURNING people ALIVE !
Now, some Azeri will come out and give a description of similar stuff
perpetrated by Armenians. One should re-hash stuff like this often to
keep the hatred alive, right?
BM] Armenian leaders are lacking the statesmanship to recognize the
BM]futility of armed conflict and convince their nation that a compromise that
BM] leads to stability is much better than a military faits accomplis that's
BM] going to cause incessant skirmishes.
henrik] Armenians in KARABAKH want PEACE and their own republic. They are
henrik] NOT asking much. They simply want to get back what was TAKEN AWAY
henrik] from them and GIVEN to AZERIS by STALIN.
Well they obviously aren't getting anywhere with their current methods
of asking (not very peaceful I'd say).
BM] Think of 10 or 20 years down the line -- both of the newly independent
BM] countries need to develop economically and neither one is going to wipe
BM] the other out. These people will be neighbors, would it not be better
BM] to keep the bad blood between them minimal?
henrik] Don't get me WRONG. I also want PEACEFUL solution to the
henrik] conflict. But until Azeris realize that, the Armenians in
henrik] KARABAKH will defend themselves against aggresion.
I don't know if you want a solution or just want to exchange slogans.
Peace isn't what's happening right now, furthermore what's happening
right now isn't condusive to peace. You can spend days and nights
raving about how 'right' the Armenian position is and I'm sure
there'll be others who'd be happy to talk to you by arguing the other
side. If entrenched positions lead to war, and if people want peace
than they should sit down and talk about a compromise. Armenia isn't
strong enough to exercise the 'we think we're right, and we have the
bombs, so we'll do whatever we want, so there...' style of foreign
relations. Yes you can type Stalin in caps, and give one sided
atrocity stories etc. but for peace you need to be willing to talk to
the other side. You personally can choose not to do that of course,
this being just USENET. The people in power shouldn't be so childish.
BM] If you belong to the Armenian diaspora, keep in mind that what strikes
BM] your fancy on the map is costing the local Armenians dearly in terms of
BM] their blood and future.
henrik] Again, you are taking different TURNS. Armenia HAS no intension
henrik] to GRAB any LAND from Azerbaijan. The Armenians in KARABAKH
henrik] are simply defending themselves UNTIL a solution is SET.
Azeri's would disagree with you on this, and the maps I've seen support
what they'd be saying. It doesn't seem likely that a solution will be
reached in this manner.
BM] It's easy to be comfortable abroad and propagandize
BM] craziness to have your feelings about Turks tickled. The Armenians
BM] in Armenia and N-K will be there, with the same people you seem to hate
BM] as their neighbors, for maybe 3000 years more. The sooner there's peace in
BM] the region the better it is for them and everyone else. I'd push for
BM] compromise if I were you instead of hitting the caps-lock and spreading
BM] inflammatory half-truths.
henrik] It is NOT up to me to decide the PEACE initiative. I am absolutely
henrik] for it.
It didn't look it when I read your posting. It would seem to me
that if you can spew mis-information about a boogey-man, you can also
talk about how one might avoid the nastiness. Fair?
henrik] But, in the meantime, if you do not take care of yourself,
henrik] you will be WIPED out. Such as the case in the era of 1915-20 of
henrik] The Armenian Massacres.
You don't realize I can say the same thing about 'The Turkish Massacres.'
Yes, boys and girls, let's always talk about how bad and nasty things were.
Let's do that so we're overwhelmed by anger, and let's do that so our
kids will also be hateful. Sounds crazy doesn't it? Don't do it then.
BM
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I recently upgraded to System 7.1 and now I also upgraded my
DeskWriter drivers from 2.2 to 3.1. I got the software from Sumex,
but it is not clear to me where to install what.
Can someone tell me which of the files that come with DW-3.1 go where
and for what purpose? What can be left out, for instance, if
you don't want to do background printing?
Thanks,
Tom
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In article <johnsh-040493161915@mustang.stu.rpi.edu>, I wrote:
>
> I've used the recently-released Macintosh application MPEG to QuickTime to
> convert the excellent MPEG "canyon.mpg" into a QuickTime movie. While
> anyone who would want this movie is perfectly able to convert it
> themselves, I thought I'd let the net know that I'd be glad to mail copies
> of mine out. The movie conversion took close to SIX HOURS on my poor
> little IIcx; in other words, unless you've got a Quadra, you might not want
> to tie up your machine in converting this file.
>
> The movie is a fast fly-through of a fractal-generated canyon landscape.
> The movie is 58 seconds long, and uses the compact video compressor (i.e.,
> QuickTime v1.5). The movie looks okay on 8-bit displays, and looks
> absolutely awesome on 16- and 24-bit displays.
>
> I'd be happy to mail this movie to the first 20 or so people who ask for
> it. The only caveat is you need to be able to receive a nine-megabyte mail
> message (the movie was stuff-it'ed down to seven megs, but binhex ruined
> that party). If more then 20 people want this movie, then it's just more
> evidence that the net needs a dedicated QuickTime FTP archive site. C'mon,
> someone's gotta have a spare 1.2GB drive out there...
Okay, I've received a whole lot of requests for the movie, so for
simplicity's sake I can't mail out any more than I've already received (as
of 16:30 EDT, Tuesday). Maybe it'll pop up on a site sooner or later.
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sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>> Which type of morality are you talking about? In a natural sense, it
>> is not at all immoral to harm another species (as long as it doesn't
>> adversely affect your own, I guess).
>Hehehe, so you say, but this objective morality somehere tells you
>that this is not the case, and you don't know all the rules of such
>transcendental game systems...
Which objective system are you talking about? What is its goal?
Again, which brand of morality are you talking about?
keith
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In article <C5HHwv.CvK@austin.ibm.com>, marc@yogi.austin.ibm.com (Marc J. Stephenson) writes...
>Keeping in line with the pessimists on the net, I'll hold off on the Astros
>being all the way back. They could indeed contend, but that would count on
> 1) Atlanta encountering some unforeseen problems, such as injuries or keeping
> up their early season abysmal hitting.
While Atlanta has the undisputed best starting rotation, I feel that their
relief staff may be suspect. They don't have a real closer -- although
Mike Stanton (4 saves) has been used in that role. Didn't Stanton start off
great last year and then falter? Despite this, your point is well taken.
Atlanta doesn't seem to have the same personality as a NY team, thus is
unlikely to self-destruct. For Houston to take 'em, Atlanta needs to
suffer some injuries, particularly to their starting rotation.
> 2) Astros relief corps holding together. If Doug Jones keeps his changeup
> effective and Xavier Hernandez can be effective, then it's passable.
> There's no reasonable left-handed help, and the middle relief is iffy.
> Tom Edens was expected to take over the Joe Boever setup man role, but
> he's been injured, and he was an expansion team acquisition anyway.
> Houston thought that Boever would demand too much money, so they let him
> go. Doug Jones can lose his touch - he went from Cleveland's all-star
> closer to the minors in a pretty short span.
From what I understand, Boever and Murphy were considered expendable by the
club. Houston felt that their positions could be filled by a number of
players.. Art Doug Jones is the key to Houston's success. He must have
another great year for Houston to challenge in the NL West.
lousey spring.
> closer to the minors in a pretty short span.
Right! A strong rotation will take the pressure off of the troubling
bullpen.
> bit of shakiness at the fifth starter slot (but that's basically normal).
> 4) Taubensee, Anthony, Gonzalez, and Cedeno fulfilling some hitting potential.
> Anthony appears to be about there, Taubensee's swing looks a lot better
> this year (solid knock against Expos last night), Gonzalez is showing
> some early power, and Cedeno still has the loopiest swing this side of
> Tim Wallach.
The unsuspected strength of the lower part of the order has saved the
club so far. Biggio and Finley just aren't doing their job of getting
on base. Instead of filling his role as an RBI man, Bagwell has had to
assume Biggio and Finley's job. Biggio concerns me, since he usually
starts the season very strong.
* * * * * *
On a side note, are you at all concerned with the rumors concerning
next year's uniform? There is talk that their road uniform will be
(blech..) traditional grey, with the word "HOUSTON" written across the
chest. If I'm not mistaken, their home uniforms may totally eliminate
the color orange (shiver..). McLane's favorite color is red, so...
I'm really upset.. the current unforms are dull and the new ones sound
horrible. I'd like to see the uniform of the mid-1980s return. They
may not have been pretty, but Houston had established a long precident of
wearing the ugliest uniforms in baseball -- and I liked it.
>end of the bargain (remember two years ago? a little relief goes a long way),
>then they COULD win 90 games. But, I doubt it. I'll project them at 85 wins.
>
>Astros fan since the days of Staub, Morgan, Jackson, Aspromonte, Dierker, ...
>--
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Here's an easy question for someone who knows nothing about baseball...
What city do the California Angels play out of?
--
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rauser@sfu.ca "Oh, don't worry about that. We're professional
WNI outlaws - we do this for a living."
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In <mcclaryC5snpq.KB1@netcom.com> mcclary@netcom.com (Michael McClary) writes:
Just thought I'd clear up a few of the murky areas...
>Actually, after surviving being driven out of Nauvoo, and later Carthage,
>the Mormons DID fortify Utah. They still arm themselves to "defend the
>faith", and stockpile food as well. They have been involved in quite a
>lot of illegal activity - including multiple (and often underage) wives
>for the leaders - a practice still in vogue with some splinters of their
>sect. The parallels between Koresh and Joseph Smith are striking.
^^^^^^^^^^^^
Joseph Smith started the sect. After he and his brother Hyram
were murdered in a Nauvoo, Il. jail cell, church membership split over
who to follow. Initially, Smith was considered a prophet (just like
Mohammed, a rather interesting parallel considering Muslims consider
Christ to be a prophet the same as Jews, I'm led to understand. Make
no mistake, this was no messiah we're talking about in Smith). The
thought at the time was that the gift of prophecy was to be handed
down father to son. After Joseph Smith died, his son was only
entering his teens. Brigham Young and a few others claimed to have
been bequeathed the gift and leadership prior to his death. The
Council of Twelve, the Church governing body, wasn't of much help
here, and this basic conflict is still a wedge between the sects.
Brigham Young took his followers to Salt Lake. The rest waited
for Smith Jr. to grow up enough to assume leadership. The other
claimants to the leadership were soon ignored, like Mike Dukakis. ;-)
Both sects practiced the "1-year food stockpile" doctrine,
and this being frontier and farming country most carried or at
least owned weapons. There is little evidence that they were a
militaristic sect, given that they tended to move on rather than
face large-scale opposition. Brigham Young, having suffered a
great deal getting to Salt Lake, seems to have been quite
justified in making military training a good thing. Remember,
this was far beyond where even the US Army went, and these people
had nobody to turn to save themselves.
Just a little context to put this all in perspective.
>So what did the Mormons get? It seems that J. Edgar Hoover was very
>impressed with the way they kept secrets. (They're pledged to defend
>secrets with their lives and atone for sin with blood. Many actually
>do - even to the point of suicide.)
The RLDS, the Reorganized LDS, are friendly rivals of the LDS
and delight in telling stories about them, which generates quick retorts
from the LDS members and everybody has a grand time. At no time have
I ever even heard this hinted at. I'm taking it with a salt block.
> So he hired virtually no one but
>Mormons, until the FBI was almost exclusively staffed by members of the
>Church of Later Day Saints. Though J. Edgar is finally gone, the FBI
>personnel (especially the field agents) are still heavily Mormon.
>I have often wondered how this might affect the FBI's treatment
>of religious organizations a Mormon would consider heretical.
If it's true, there would be little affect. LDS and RLDS
philosophy is that all other religions have strayed from the true
Church as set down by Jesus, but that God will judge each on his
own merits. In addition, the RLDS also contend (and the LDS may
as well) that ignorance of the True Way (tm) is an excuse. You
can only be condemned if you had been tought the way and rejected
it. In short, LDS and RLDS suffer everybody from Lutherans to
Buddhists, secure in the knowledge that though they are wrong they
will not be penalized for ignorance. It is more likely that Hoover
liked them because of their rather strict upbringings which forbade
alcohol, tobacco, hot drink (like coffee or tea), and the like.
These people are the "salt of the Earth" and as such are more
easily made to follow orders and have few vices to be used against them.
That's my somewhat educated guess, anyway. Both sects have
splinter groups that don't mirror the masses, but these are small
and rare, and hardly worth noting their common ancestry.
None of this has any relevance to guns, though. When a
man's religion is used to deny him the right of self-protection with
the weapons suitable for the job, he'll find an ally in me.
< Dan Sorenson, DoD #1066 z1dan@exnet.iastate.edu viking@iastate.edu >
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| 16talk.politics.guns
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jrogoff@scott.skidmore.edu (jay rogoff) writes:
>One last infield fly question that has always puzzled me and hasn't
>yet been addressed. I believe the rule also does *not* deal with this
>situation:
>If Infield Fly is declared and the ball is caught, runners can tag up
>and advance at their own risk, as on any fly ball.
>However, if the Infield Fly is *not* caught, at what point can a
>runner legally leave his base w/o fear of being doubled off for
>advancing too early? When the
>ball hits the ground? When a fielder first touches the ball after it
>hits the ground?
>Enlightenment would be appreciated.
I'm not sure I understand this question. When the IF rule is invoked,
the batter is automatically out. This relieves the runners from being
forced to advance to the next base if the ball is not caught. Other
than that, isn't it just the same as any situation in which a runner on
a base is not forced to the next base on a dropped fly ball? That is,
if the ball is caught he can tag up and run (or decide to stay), and
if the ball is dropped he can have left the base at any time.
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In article <1993Apr19.152527.23658@iscnvx.lmsc.lockheed.com> jrlaf@sgi502.msd.lmsc.lockheed.com (J. R. Laferriere) writes:
|
|Now now Keith, just calm down. What are you some prohibitionist prick? The
|point of Andrew Infante's posting was obvious to solicit suggestions pertaining
|to the cost of insurance and the like. I don't care if you are MADD or SADD or
|whatever; keep it to yourself, we'd all appreciate that.
Well, simply put, drinking is irrelavent. Driving drunk is indefensable and
unforgivable. There is a large differnece.
But, then, with an attitude like yours, I expect you'll be dead soon. I just
hope you don't take a human being out with you.
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90 Concours 1000 (Mmmmmmmmmm!) | beating you up, Dave.
84 RZ 350 (Ring Ding) (Woops!) | You never learn."
AMA 583905 DoD #0330 COG 939 (Chicago) | -- Beth "Bruiser" Dixon
| 8rec.motorcycles
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-=> Quoting Cire Y. Trehguad to All <=-
CYT> : Michael Collingridge writes:
: >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded,
: >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other
: >team captain trivia would be appreciated.
CYT> ;
CYT> : Wasn't Ron Francis captain of the Whalers when he was traded to
CYT> : Pittsburgh?
CYT> And Rick Tochett was the captain of the Flyers when traded to the Pens
CYT> recently...
CYT> Caleb
CYT> And let us not forget that the New Jersey Devils traded
CYT> captain Kirk Muller for Stephen Richer and Chorske
CYT> Man I hated that trade!
Well as for team captains being traded
in there first year in the NHL the
Edmonton Oilers traded their captain
Ron Chiperfield to the Quebec Nordique
right at the trading deadline for
Goaltender Ron Lowe
In their second year of existence
The Edmonton Oilers again right at the trade
deadline traded their captain, this time
B.J. McDonald to the Vancouver Canucks
along with the rights to winger Ken
Berry for Garry Lariviere and the rights
to Lars Gunner Petterson
as for more captain trivia, the next Edmonton
captain was Lee Fogilin who was later traded to
the Buffalo Sabres, after him was Wayne Gretzky
who was traded to L A, then came Kevin Low who
only this year was traded to the N Y Rangers
so that every captain the Edmonton Oilers have had
has been traded.
The present captain is Craig McTavish and we'll
just have to wait and see.
well talk to you later
Steve
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In article <1qvkaeINNgat@shelley.u.washington.edu> eylerken@stein.u.washington.edu (Ken Eyler) writes:
>I need some help. We are upgrading our animation/video editing stand. We
>are looking into the different type of setups for A/B roll and a cuts only
>station. We would like this to be controlled by a computer ( brand doesnt matter but maybe MAC, or AMIGA). Low end to high end system setups would be very
>helpful. If you have a system or use a system that might be of use, could you
>mail me your system requirements, what it is used for, and all the hardware and
>software that will be necessary to set the system up. If you need more
>info, you can mail me at eylerken@u.washington.edu
>
>thanks in advance.
>
>:ken
>:eylerken@u.washington.edu
Here at Lewis and Clark College we have recently installed a Digital Film
system (based on the Mac Quadra) that does non-linear, full digital editing.
If you're considering such a system, here are the pros and cons:
For the educational environment, this system is excellent. We use it to
produce a variety of educational materials for disemination on our local
network. Because this programming is going to be viewed on other Macs, the
image quality is not as important as the ability to directly export the
video to the Net.
We also use it to produce orientiation and promotional video programs for
use by the Lewis & Clark community. Since these programs are not meant for
commercial or broadcast use, image quality is not critical.
The Digital Film system, for those of you who are uninitiated, is an A/B roll
digitizing system on one $5000 JPEG compression card. It was promoted as
an inexpensive online editing system with SVHS quality. SuperMac, the maker
of the card, is trying to achieve this quality level, but as yet, has been
unable to deliver. Our system produces "near VHS" quality at 30 fields per
second (640x480 overscan). The card repeats every other field to get 60
fields per second. This results in a kind of Super 8 film look that some
find distracting.
If you can get past this problem, you'll find the Adobe Premier editing
software quite enjoyable with which to work. It produces thousands of
different effects from crystalize filters to DVE transitions to color matting.
Because of its non-linear nature, editing is fast and easy. If you've ever
used (or seen used) an AVID or Montage system, you'll recognize the methodology
and the user interface.
The total system with Quadra 950 (40Megs of RAM), 1 gig drive, 21" Apple mon-
itor, Panasonic SVHS 1960 edit deck, audio gear (cassette, CD, EQ, mixer, etc),
Composite monitor, Digital Film card will set you back about $20,000.
For you video cowboys and girls, this system will not output at a quality
that will satisfy most of your clients. Even though you can perform more
effects than a toasterhead can imagine, an Amiga based off-line based system
will look better.
We use both Macs and Amigas for our video work. Each for what each does best!
Dan Snodgrass
Media Services
Lewis & Clark College
Portland
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In article <sandvik-200493232227@sandvik-kent.apple.com> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
#In article <1r1ko8$6b1@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank
#O'Dwyer) wrote:
#> In article <930420.100544.6n0.rusnews.w165w@mantis.co.uk> mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> writes:
#> #This is complete nonsense. Relativism means saying that there is no absolute
#> #standard of morality; it does NOT mean saying that all standards of morality
#> #are equally good.
#
#> Presumably this means that some moral systems are better than others?
#> How so? How do you manage this without an objective frame of reference?
#> And what weasel word do you use to describe that frame of reference, if
#> it isn't an objective reality for values?
#
#Frank, relativism is not keen to make such judgements, unlike
#objective systems that are keen to compare their truth with falsehood.
#The problem is that there are so many competing objective moral
#systems so you have this huge semantic net of delta differences.
#Maybe I should not mention the 'magical word' that describes
#this situation :-).
"relativism isn't keen"??? Up there someone says that relativism
doesn't mean that all moral systems are equal. So, what *does*
relativism mean? Never having to say you're sorry? :-)
Specifically, I'd like to know what relativism concludes when two
people grotesquely disagree. Is it:
(a) Both are right
(b) One of them is wrong, and sometimes (though perhaps rarely) we have a
pretty good idea who it is
(c) One of them is wrong, but we never have any information as to who, so
we make our best guess if we really must make a decision.
(d) The idea of a "right" moral judgement is meaningless (implying that
whether peace is better than war, e.g., is a meaningless question,
and need not be discussed for it has no correct answer)
(e) Something else. A short, positive assertion would be nice.
As I hope you can tell, (b) and (c) are actually predicated on
the assumption that values are real - so statements like these
_can't_ consistently derive from the relativist assumption that values
aren't part of objective reality.
--
Frank O'Dwyer 'I'm not hatching That'
odwyer@sse.ie from "Hens", by Evelyn Conlon
| 19talk.religion.misc
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In article <C5xuqM.Dxu@dcs.ed.ac.uk> amd@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Alan Duncan) writes:
>>(Robert D Castro) rdc8@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu writes:-
>>When/How do you decide that it is too windy to ride?
Handlebar mounted windshields on windy days are no fun at all. It has been
windy as hell down here for a week or so and it plays hell with the steering.
Oh, I still ride. I just bitch a lot about it!
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You don't think .... naahh.
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Dean J. Falcione (posting from jrmst+8@pitt.edu) writes:
[I wrote:]
>>When the Pens got Mario, granted there was big publicity, etc, etc,
>>and interest was immediately generated. Gretzky did the same thing for LA.
>>However, imnsho, neither team would have seen a marked improvement in
>>attendance if the team record did not improve. In the year before Lemieux
>>came, Pittsburgh finished with 38 points. Following his arrival, the Pens
>>finished with 53, 76, 72, 81, 87, 72, 88, and 87 points, with a couple of
^^
>>Stanley Cups thrown in.
>It was at this point the Pens attendance was near capacity (34 out of 40
>sellouts) yet they hadn't made the playoffs since 1982. How do you explain
>a 6th place team breaking attendance records when they haven't been to the
>playoffs in 7 years? Mario Lemieux is the explanation, IMHO.
>You could make a case that the *expectation* of an improving team that
>would make the playoffs is the reason.
Funny you should mention it...this is exactly the case I was going to make.
>But I think the reason is Lemieux
>had a 168 point season and was the first non-Gretzky to win the Hart and
>Ross since 1980. People turned out to watch him play.
I will grant that a star like Mario will draw fans, even if the team sucks.
But this is short term only; I still do not think the attendance increase
will last, unless the team is a winning/competitive/improving/butt-kicking
one. Pittsburgh was still getting better, so people continued to support
them. If they suddenly dropped to, say, 50 points, you'd have knee surgery
for some of the people jumping off the bandwagon.
>Also, the following year (88-89) the Pens had 89 points not 87.
Ok. My numbers came from the NHL Guide and Record Book.
>They made the transaction to try and build a winner around Mario, that is
>true. But the improvement in attendance came before they started doing
>this (Coffey late in 1987) and before they even had a playoff bound team.
>A doubling of attendance occured in 1984-85 from the previous year. An
>increase from 38 points to 53 points is not going to do that. The arrival
>of Mario Lemieux is what did it.
You can give the credit to Mario since he deserves it. But my point is that
it wasn't Mario himself, but it was the *expectation* of things to come (i.e.
a winning team) that he created by being the next great hockey superstar. And
before anybody jumps in and says I'm nit-picking and mincing words, go back
and read from where this thread started...
It might help to think about what would go through a fan's mind who suddenly
found an interest in Mario and the Pens. Was it "gee, Mario Lemieux is
amazing, I'll go watch him play", or was it "gee, now we've got a *kick*
*ass* guy on *our* side, I'll go watch him play". I think it was the latter.
> Similar thing happened in L.A. Before
>Gretzky's arrival, about 12000 per game. After, constant sellouts. They
>are STILL selling out every game despite showing little or no improvement
>since Gretzky's first year there. How do you explain it? People are going
>to see Gretzky. they certainly aren't going to see a winner, they haven't
>GOT a winner. They've had MUCH better teams in their past history than
>they currently have, yet they didn't draw as well then.
I don't think this is accurate. The *tickets* sell, but people don't go to
the games. I think this thread has already been discussed...season ticket
holders in LA don't always use their tickets. So in effect, after the Kings
initial success following Gretzky's arrival (68 to 91 points, same source)
and corresponding attendance jump, there has been an effective drop in
attendance even though ticket sales may not have changed much.
Whether or not the Kings are a 'winner' is debatable. I claim that since
Gretzky's arrival they have at the very least been competitive...I also claim
that McNall has made a stupid move in trying to reassemble the Oiler
dynasty...but that's another story and included only because I don't like
McNall:-). Anyway, McNall did do some heavy marketing around Gretzky, and
that undoubtedly was also responsible for the attendance and merchandising
sales, etc. But as I said, when the Kings have been in there little
tailspins over the past couple of years there have been empty seats at the
Forum even if the tickets were sold.
>I think in the case of a Lemieux or Gretzky, the player can transcend
>winning as the major drawing power.
For the short term, IMO. Although I think that it's inevitable that the team
will improve with a player such as Lemieux or Gretzky, simply because they
make people around them better.
>But winning sure as hell helps. ;-)
Well, at least we are in full agreement here!
>This does not make Roger's point any more valid, but the Jets aren't
So are you saying Roger has ever had a valid point? <couldn't resist...>
>getting a HUGE jump in productivity, yet they ARE getting a huge
>jump in attendance. This is due to the emergence of Teemu Selanne.
>They have the 17th best record in hockey, it sure as hell isn't because
>they are winning.
Yes, but they are doing no worse than last year. I think the same type of
reasoning I applied to a new Pittsburgh fan applies to all the extra people
showing up at Winnipeg games. It's difficult to predict, but do you think
that if the Jets miss the playoffs next season that in the year after they
will maintain their attendance levels? I seriously doubt it, because in that
case the expectation of an improving team would be gone, with or without
Selanne.
I did provide the example of Rocket Ismail and the Toronto Argonauts of the
CFL...did you leave it out because you don't know much about the CFL? If
that's the case then fair enough, but if it isn't the case then I'm curious
to hear your explanation.
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
In article <khan0095.734814178@nova>, khan0095@nova.gmi.edu (Mohammad Razi Khan) writes:
|> One of my biggest complaints about using the word "fundamentalist"
|> is that (at least in the U.S.A.) people speak of muslime
|> fundamentalists ^^^^^^^muslim
|> but nobody defines what a jewish or christan fundamentalist is.
|> I wonder what an equal definition would be..
|> any takers..
Well, I would go as far as saying that Naturei Karta are definitely
Jewish fundamentalists. Other ultra-orthodox Jewish groups might very
well be, though I am hesitant of making such a broad generalization.
--
Shai Guday | Stealth bombers,
OS Software Engineer |
Thinking Machines Corp. | the winged ninjas of the skies.
Cambridge, MA |
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
In <1993Apr4.093904.20517@proxima.alt.za> lucio@proxima.alt.za (Lucio de Re) writes:
>darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
>>My point of view is that the argument "all sexism is bad" just simply
>>does not hold. Let me give you an example. How about permitting a
>>woman to temporarily leave her job due to pregnancy -- should that be
>>allowed? It happens to be sexist, as it gives a particular right only
>>to women. Nevertheless, despite the fact that it is sexist, I completely
>>support such a law, because I think it is just.
>Fred, you're exasperating... Sexism, like racialism, is a form of
>discrimination, using obvious physical or cultural differences to deny
>one portion of the population the same rights as another.
>In this context, your example above holds no water whatsoever:
>there's no discrimination in "denying" men maternity leave, in fact
>I'm quite convinced that, were anyone to experiment with male
>pregnancy, it would be possible for such a future father to take
>leave on medical grounds.
Okay... I argued this thoroughly about 3-4 weeks ago. Men and women are
different ... physically, physiologically, and psychologically. Much
recent evidence for this statement is present in the book "Brainsex" by
Anne Moir and David Jessel. I recommend you find a copy and read it.
Their book is an overview of recent scientific research on this topic
and is well referenced.
Now, if women and men are different in some ways, the law can only
adequately take into account their needs in these areas where they are
different by also taking into account the ways in which men and women
are different. Maternity leave is an example of this -- it takes into
account that women get pregnant. It does not give women the same rules
it would give to men, because to treat women like it treats men in this
instance would be unjust. This is just simply an obvious example of
where men and women are intrinsically different!!!!!
Now, people make the _naive_ argument that sexism = oppression.
However, maternity leave is sexist because MEN DO NOT GET PREGNANT.
Men do not have the same access to leave that women do (not to the same
extent or degree), and therefore IT IS SEXIST. No matter however much a
man _wants_ to get pregnant and have maternity leave, HE NEVER CAN. And
therefore the law IS SEXIST. No man can have access to maternity leave,
NO MATTER HOW HARD HE TRIES TO GET PREGNANT. I hope this is clear.
Maternity leave is an example where a sexist law is just, because the
sexism here just reflects the "sexism" of nature in making men and women
different. There are many other differences between men and women which
are far more subtle than pregnancy, and to find out more of these I
recommend you have a look at the book "Brainsex".
Your point that perhaps some day men can also be pregnant is fallacious.
If men can one day become pregnant it will be by having biologically
become women! To have a womb and the other factors required for
pregnancy is usually wrapped up in the definition of what a woman is --
so your argument, when it is examined, is seen to be fallacious. You
are saying that men can have the sexist maternity leave privilege that
women can have if they also become women -- which actually just supports
my statement that maternity leave is sexist.
>The discrimination comes in when a woman is denied opportunities
>because of her (legally determined) sexual inferiorities. As I
>understand most religious sexual discrimination, and I doubt that
>Islam is exceptional, the female is not allowed into the priestly
>caste and in general is subjugated so that she has no aspirations to
>rights which, as an equal human, she ought to be entitled to.
There is no official priesthood in Islam -- much of this function is
taken by Islamic scholars. There are female Islamic scholars and
female Islamic scholars have always existed in Islam. An example from
early Islamic history is the Prophet's widow, Aisha, who was recognized
in her time and is recognized in our time as an Islamic scholar.
>No matter how sweetly you coat it, part of the role of religions
>seems, historically, to have served the function of oppressing the
>female, whether by forcing her to procreate to the extent where
>there is no opportunity for self-improvement, or by denying her
>access to the same facilities the males are offered.
You have no evidence for your blanket statement about all religions, and
I dispute it. I could go on and on about women in Islam, etc., but I
recently reposted something here under the heading "Islam and Women" --
if it is still at your news-site I suggest you read it. It is reposted
from soc.religion.islam, so if it has disappeared from alt.atheism it
still might be in soc.religion.islam (I forgot what its original title
was though). I will email it to you if you like.
>The Roman Catholic Church is the most blatant of the culprit,
>because they actually istitutionalised a celibate clergy, but the
>other religious are no different: let a woman attempt to escape her
>role as child bearer and the wrath of god descends on her.
Your statement that "other religions are no different" is, I think, a
statement based simply on lack of knowledge about religions other than
Christianity and perhaps Judaism.
>I'll accept your affirmation that Islam grants women the same rights
>as men when you can show me that any muslim woman can aspire to the
>same position as (say) Khomeini and there are no artificial religious
>or social obstacles on her path to achieve this.
Aisha, who I mentioned earlier, was not only an Islamic scholar but also
was, at one stage, a military leader.
>Show me the equivalent of Hillary Rhodam-Clinton within Islam, and I
>may consider discussing the issue with you.
The Prophet's first wife, who died just before the "Hijra" (the
Prophet's journey from Mecca to Medina) was a successful businesswoman.
Lucio, you cannot make a strong case for your viewpoint when your
viewpoint is based on ignorance about world religions.
Fred Rice
darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
| 0alt.atheism
|
COMET (Commercial Experiment Transport) is to launch from Wallops Island
Virginia and orbit Earth for about 30 days. It is scheduled to come down
in the Utah Test & Training Range, west of Salt Lake City, Utah. I saw
a message in this group toward the end of March that it was to launch
on March 27. Does anyone know if it launched on that day, or if not,
when it is scheduled to launch and/or when it will come down.
I would also be interested in what kind(s) of payload(s) are onboard.
Thanks for your help.
Norman Anderson nanderso@endor.sim.es.com
| 14sci.space
|
In article <1qjd3o$nlv@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>In article <sandvik-140493230024@sandvik-kent.apple.com# sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes:
>#In article <1qie61$fkt@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank
>#O'Dwyer) wrote:
>#> Objective morality is morality built from objective values.
>#
>#You now pushed down the defintion of objectivity into realm of
>#objective values. So you need to explain that as well, as well
>#as the objective sub-parts, the objective atoms, quarks...
>Firstly, science has its basis in values, not the other way round.
You keep saying that. I do not think it means what you think it
means.
Perhaps you should explain what you think "science has it's basis
in values" means. The reason why people DO science is that
they value it's results. That does not mean that science has
it's basis in values. Any more than DES stops working if I stop
valuing my privacy.
>So you better explain what objective atoms are, and how we get them
>from subjective values, before we go any further.
See above.
-Ekr
--
Eric Rescorla ekr@eitech.com
Would you buy used code from this man?
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
In article <C5r8vH.AI7@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb)
writes:
>I'm actually not trying to make a point. I'm just trying to find out the
>coherence of the societally based morality position. Is my assumption of
>societally based morals wrong?
No, but you would need a lot of background reading in sociology to get
to a point where the discussion would be focused enough to be helpful.
The interaction of values and behavior among people has been a major
defining element of both psychology and sociology for a century now, and
is the part of both disciplines (as social psychology) that strikes me
as most relevant to the various naive arguments about morality on the
net.
An exceptionally good place to get a clear view of "social norms" in
action is the "micro" sociology of Ervin Goffman. There are some very
good introductory essays ("Deference and Demeanor" is a classic), as
well as accessible books like _Interaction Ritual_. More difficult and
theoretical are some of his later books like _Frame Analysis_. But even
at his most academic, Goffman escapes the dreadful boredom and heavily
jargon-laden theorizing that makes most standard sociology unreadable.
Morality is essentially the playing out of individual goals and aims in
the setting of their expectations of other people, and others' expectations
of them. This becomes "systematized" in a "socially mandated" way simply
because otherwise we'd have to invent the entire context of interpersonal
realtions with every single interaction -- and we engage in social inter-
actions usually hundreds or thousands of times a day, so that a renego-
tiation of human interaction each time is a pretty ridiculous notion.
We simply learn it (most of it) early, along with language (which is one
of the main exemplars.)
--
Michael L. Siemon "Stand, stand at the window
mls@panix.com As the tears scald and start.
mls@ulysses.att.com You shall love your crooked neighbor
-standard disclaimer- With your crooked heart."
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
On 20 Apr 93 13:34:03 GMT, Gary Piatt observed:
: First, the median does not imply that half of the men are
: above and half below 7.3: it simply means that 7.3 is the mid-point
: between the maximum number of partners and the minimum (which is most
: likely zero).
Actually, the median *is* defined as the 50th percentile. If the
median number of sexual partners for men is 7.3, it means that
at least 50% of men have had 7.3 or fewer sexual partners, and
at least 50% of men have had 7.3 or more sexual partners.
(Question: What is 0.3 of a sexual partner? :)
To confuse matters more, take the following data set:
[5.0, 6.0, 6.0, 7.0, 7.0, 7.3, 8.0, 9.0, 9.0, 9.0, 250.0]
The mean (arithmetic average) of the above set of numbers is 29.4.
The sample standard deviation is 73.2.
The mode is 9.0.
The median is 7.3.
--
Michael D. Adams (starowl@a2i.rahul.net) Enterprise, Alabama
"It's a strange quirk, but I hardly ever sing along
with people who tie me up." -- Mork
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
In article <1993Apr15.200344.28013@cs.rochester.edu>, fulk@cs.rochester.edu (Mark Fulk) writes:
|> 2) Science has not historically progressed in any sort of rational
|> experiment-data-theory sequence. Most experiments are carried out, and
|> interpreted, in pre-existing theoretical frameworks. The theoretical
|> controversies of the day determine which experiments get done. Overall,
|> there is a huge messy affair of personal jealousies, crazy motivations,
|> petty hatreds, and the like that determines which experiments, and which
|> computations, get done. What keeps it going forward is the critical
|> function of science: results don't count unless they can be replicated.
|>
|> The whole system is a sort of mechanism for generate-and-test. The generate
|> part can be totally irrational, as long as the test part works properly.
I think we agree on much. However the paragraphs above seem to repeat
uncritically the standard Kuhn/Lakatos/Feyerabend view of "progress" and
"rationality" in science. Since I've addressed these issues in this
newsgroup in the not too distant past, I won't go into them again now.
What is wrong with the above observation is that it explicitly gives the
impression (and you may not in fact hold this view) that the common (perhaps
even the "correct") approach for a scientist to follow is to sit around
having flights of fancy and scheming on the basis of his jealousies and
petty hatreds. It further at least implicitly advances the position that
sciences goes "forward" (and it is not clear what this means given the
context in which it occurs) by generating in a completely non-rational
and even random way a plethora of hypotheses and theories that are then
weeded out via the "critical function" of science. (Though why this critical
function should be less subject to the non-rational forces is a mystery.
If experimental design, hypotheses creation, and theory construction are
subject to jealousies and petty hatreds, then this must be equally true
of the application of any "critical function" concerning replication.
This is what leads one (ala Feyerabend) to an "anything goes" view.)
True, the generation part *can* be totally irrational. But typically it is
*not*. Anecdotes concerning instances where a hypothesis seems to have
resulted in some way from a dream or from one's political views simply
do not generalize well to the actual history of science.
--
Gary H. Merrill [Principal Systems Developer, C Compiler Development]
SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Dr. / Cary, NC 27513 / (919) 677-8000
sasghm@theseus.unx.sas.com ... !mcnc!sas!sasghm
| 13sci.med
|
In article <1ql0d3$5vo@dr-pepper.East.Sun.COM> geoff@East.Sun.COM (Geoff Arnold @ Sun BOS - R.H. coast near the top) writes:
>Your posting provoked me into checking my save file for memorable
>posts. The first I captured was by Ken Arromdee on 19 Feb 1990, on the
>subject "Re: atheist too?". That was article #473 here; your question
>was article #53766, which is an average of about 48 articles a day for
>the last three years. As others have noted, the current posting rate is
>such that my kill file is depressing large...... Among the posting I
>saved in the early days were articles from the following notables:
Hey, it might to interesting to read some of these posts...
Especially from ones who still regularly posts on alt.atheism!
>>From: loren@sunlight.llnl.gov (Loren Petrich)
>>From: jchrist@nazareth.israel.rel (Jesus Christ of Nazareth)
>>From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin)
>>From: perry@apollo.HP.COM (Jim Perry)
>>From: lippard@uavax0.ccit.arizona.edu (James J. Lippard)
>>From: minsky@media.mit.edu (Marvin Minsky)
>
>An interesting bunch.... I wonder where #2 is?
Hee hee hee.
*I* ain't going to say....
---
" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "
John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word.
| 0alt.atheism
|
Then there are always osteopathy colleges....
| 13sci.med
|
I need some help with a multi port serial board of unknown origin. I'm
hoping someone knows what this board is, or, even better, what the various
switches and jumbers are used for.
Anyway, here's description of the card: It is a 16-bit card, although
I noticed that none of the contacts in the 16-bit extension are connected
to anything. It has 4 NS16550AN chips in sockets, and 4 corresponding
connecters labeled COM1 - COM4. There is also an external female connector
with 37 pins. There are 8 banks of 8 switches, 2 banks of 4 switches, and
7 jumpers. I believe that I have determined, by following traces, that
SW5 and SW6 (12 switches in all) control the interrupt level for each of
the COM ports. SW5[1-4] are for IRQ3, SW5[5-8] are for IRQ4, and SW6[1-4]
are for IRQ5. The other switches are beyond my meager ability to follow.
The only identification printed on the board is "MULTI SERIAL PORT BOARD"
across the bottom. There is a box for serial number, but it is blank.
Immediately below the words "SERIAL NO", but not in the box left for
the S/N, are the numbers "1990 2 8".
Anyone have any clues? Your help is greatly appreciated.
--
dwayne@stratsft.UUCP + "We have ways to make you scream."
Dwayne Bailey + -- Intel advertisement,
Strategic Software + in the June 1989 Doctor Dobbs Journal
Redford, Michigan +
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
In article <13960@risky.Convergent.COM>, sxs@extol.Convergent.Com (S. Sridhar) writes:
|> Keywords: tvtwm icon manager
|>
|> Need help on resource bindings for tvtwm. Here's what I'd like to
|> see the icon manager do.
|>
|> Say I iconify a window and this shows up on the icon list. Now when I
|> pan into another section of the virtual desktop and try to deiconify
|> the window that I iconed (sp ?) earlier, I'd like this window to
|> deiconify in the current region.
|>
|> Any resources that I can use to do this ? Or more important, can I
|> do this ? Rather find it painful to remember where I iconified a
|> window, go back there and deiconify. Or simply, it is a pain to
|> pan around to get to a deiconified window.
|>
|> Thanks,
|>
|> ssridhar@convergent.com
|>
|>
Just opened up the distribution.
| 5comp.windows.x
|
vech@Ra.MsState.Edu (Craig A. Vechorik) writes:
]I wrote the slash two blues for a bit of humor which seems to be lacking
]in the MOA Owners News, when most of the stuff is "I rode the the first
]day, I saw that, I rode there the second day, I saw this"
I admit it was a surprise to find something interesting to read in
the most boring and worthless mag of all the ones I get.
]any body out there know were the sense if humor went in people?
]I though I still had mine, but I dunno...
I think most people see your intended humor, I do, I liked the article.
you seem to forget that you've stepped into the political arena. as well
intentioned as you may intend something you're walking through a china
store carrying that /2 on your head. everything you say or do says something
about how you would represent the membership on any given day. you don't
have to look far in american politics to see what a few light hearted
jokes about one segment of the population can do to someone in the limelight.
OBMoto: I did manage to squeak in a reference to a /2 ;-)
--
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Austin Area Ride Mailing List ride@rider.cactus.org
Texas SplatterFest Mailing List fest@rider.cactus.org
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
To follow-up, I had a bad experience w/ a Krypto Lock too...
Last year I bought a Krypto Cable II (3/8"x3-4' long, something like that)
that by all standards seemed like a decent piece. Until I used it anyway...
Before I ever used it for security purposes, I used it for entertainment
(minds out of the gutter, please), which is to say that I sat fiddling w/
it while watching TV (the night I got it). After three minutes of mindless
fiddling (of course it was mindless, remember I was watching TV) the entire
tumbler mechanism came out on the key! Not unlike that old Georgie-porgie
nursery rhyme. This left a very empty cylinder and a very non-secure
(read "swingin' in the breeze") cable lock.
Kinda makes me wonder about any flat key-style lock. One yank w/ a
slide-hammer and Viola-- I'm making an insurance claim.
Anyone else have a similar experience (w/ the Kryptos, not bike theft)?
-Erc.
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
In article <1r9542INNsm2@aludra.usc.edu>, yuanchie@aludra.usc.edu (Roger Y. Hsu)
writes:
>Hi,
>
>I have a HP LaserJet III for sale. It's been printed for
>less than 1500 pages according the self test report. I
>am asking $1000 for it. If interested, please e-mail.
>
>Thanks!
>
You can get a NEW newer model for a cheaper price thru mail order....
--
" I believed in reincarnation in a former life"
| 6misc.forsale
|
kmitchel@netcom.com (Kenneth C. Mitchell) writes:
>Dave Borden (borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu) wrote:
>: The Selective Service Registration should be abolished. To start with, the
>: draft is immoral. Whether you agree with that or not, we don't have one now,
>: and military experts agree that the quality of the armed forces is superior
>: with a volunteer army than with draftees. Finally, the government has us
>: on many lists in many computers (the IRS, Social Security Admistration and
>: Motor Vehicle Registries to name a few) and it can find us if it needs to.
>: Maintaining yet another list of people is an utter waste of money and time.
>: Let's axe this whole department, and reduce the deficit a little bit.
I'm really surprised Clinton hasn't already tried to do this. He seems
to want to tackle other irrelevant issues first, so why not this one as well.
>Let me say this about that, as a retired Navy officer;
>
>I agree. Cut it. But let's not stop there.
>
>Eliminate the C-17 transport.
Wrong. We need its capability. Sure it has its problems, very few
airplanes haven't, but getting rid of something we need is not the
answer. What do you want to do, start over a rebuild a new airplane
from scatch? It'll have its problems as well and there will be calls
again, for it to be scrapped. THe other option is to try to extend
the life of the C-5s and C-141s that are getting extremely old.
>Scrap the Seawolf SSN-21 nuclear submarine.
>Ground the B-2 stealth bomber.
It'll cost jobs, but I'm for it. We especially don't need a B-2. THe
SSN-21, I know litttle about.
fpa
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
--> A humble response to a letter by Gordon Lang written 04-21-93 22:09.
GL> : I am interrested in the extrodinarily simple concept of the null
GL> modem : cable. (Actually I have NO idea, so don't count that last
GL> statement.) What I'm : asking is what pins does it use (or what are
GL> it's specifications?) I just want : to solder one myself instead of
GL> buying one. I don't even know what port is : used.
You may want to save yourself the trouble and go to Radio Shack. They have
a null modem adapter which is a 9 pin connector that swaps the necessary
pins to allow two machines to communicate. These are a lot easier than
soldering the connections yourself, and usually a bit more reliable.
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|
In article <C5unFJ.2pA@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu> Tom Wetzel <twetzel@ucs.indiana.edu> writes:
>In article <1r1tth$b9i@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Andrew A. Spencer,
>aas7@po.CWRU.Edu writes:
>>>: > my wife has informed me that she wants a convertible for her next car.
>
>I was about to recommend you consider a targa top over a convertible but,
>DREW made the point very well. When my wife and I were in our 20s we
>did the convertible thing with Triumphs. Now in our mid-40s, we still
>appreciate the open air but prefer targa types. There is much less wind
>noise, objects/papers blowing around, foreign objects getting into the
>car and one still has almost all the advantages of the convertible.
>
My last car had T-Tops (BIG T-Tops). My current car is a convertible.
IMHO, if you're after that 'convertible feel', T-Tops, open-top,
sunroofs, moonroofs, whatever, just don't cut it. There's no
substitute for a convertible. If you're not after that sun beating
down on you, the wind in your hair and teeth, the flopsum and
jetsum getting in the car and the noises associated with the
whooshing of the wind, you're not after that 'convertible feel'.
So go with something with at least a hole above the driver but don't call
it a convertible.
And I do wonder how those targa tops would compare against my roll
bar in a rollover situation. Of course, I'd rather not test it
in MY car. I, too, am in my early 40s.
A convertible--accept no substitute.
|
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| 7rec.autos
|
In article <1993May13.080841.23904@husc3.harvard.edu> verbit@brauer.harvard.edu (Mikhail S. Verbitsky) writes:
> What is the mental disease when the patient repeats
> the same sentence over and over as a response to
> any kind of outside intrusion? Mutlu has similar
> symptomatic, anyway. The only difference is that
> he has a bigger database.
With your level of understanding, my dear friend Mutlu probably
thought that he'd be nice and help you genocide apologist to get
the point. Besides, all your article reflects is your abundant
ignorance. Ignorance is probably the main reason why you historical
revisionist are in such a mess. You even make Nazi/criminal Armenians
laugh.
"In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul.
It is in our power to tear away the veil of illusion that some of us
create for ourselves. It certainly is possible to severe the artificial
life-support system of an imagined 'ethnic purity' that some of us
falsely trust as the only structure that can support their heart beats
in this alien land."
(Sahak Melkonian - 1920 - "Preserving the Armenian purity")
"An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the
systematic extermination of the entire Muslim population of
the independent republic of Armenia which consisted of at
least 30-40 percent of the population of that republic. The
memoirs of an Armenian army officer who participated in and
eye-witnessed these atrocities was published in the U.S. in
1926 with the title 'Men Are Like That.' Other references abound."
(Rachel A. Bortnick - The Jewish Times - June 21, 1990)
1."Men Are Like That" by Leonard A. Hartill, Bobbs Co., Indianapolis,
1926
Memoirs of an Armenian Army Officer translated to English and
published by a member of American "Near East Relief Organization."
Gives the whole account of the genocide of all Turkish and Moslem
people in Armenia organized and executed by Armenian Government and
Army. Also gives account of countless other massacres and atrocities
against the Turkish people in Armenia.
2."Adventures in the Near East" by A. Rawlinson,
Dodd, Meade & Co., 1925
Eyewitness account of the same genocide by a British Army Officer.
3."World Alive, A Personal Story" by Robert Dunn,
Crown Publishers, Inc., New York, 1952
Another eyewitness account of the same genocide by an American
Officer.
4."From Sardarapat to Serves and Lousanne" by Avetis Aharonian,
The Armenian Review Magazine, Volume 15 (Fall 1962) through 17
(Spring 1964)
Memoirs of the chief Armenian delegate to the Paris Peace Conference
were published in the Armenian Review Magazine in 13 articles from
Volume 15 (Fall 1962) to Volume 17 (Spring 1964). These memoirs
include an interview between Aharonian and British Foreign Minister
Lord Curzon in which above-mentioned genocide was discussed. The
official report mentioned by Lord Curzon is the report of British
High Commissioner to Caucasia, Sir Oliver Wardrop.
'Kill Turks and Kurds wherever you find them and in
whatever circumstances you find them. Turkish children
also should be killed as they form a danger to the
Armenian nation.' (Hamparsum Boyadjian - 1914)[1]
[1] M. Varandian, "History of the Dashnaktsutiun," p. 85.
Source: Hovannisian, Richard G.: Armenia on the Road to Independence, 1918.
University of California Press (Berkeley and Los Angeles), 1967, p. 13.
"The addition of the Kars and Batum oblasts to the Empire increased the
area of Transcaucasia to over 130,000 square miles. The estimated population
of the entire region in 1886 was 4,700,000, of whom 940,000 (20 percent) were
Armenian, 1,200,000 (25 percent) Georgian, and 2,220,000 (45 percent) Moslem.
Of the latter group, 1,140,000 were Tatars. Paradoxically, barely one-third
of Transcaucasia's Armenians lived in the Erevan guberniia, where the
Christians constituted a majority in only three of the seven uezds. Erevan
uezd, the administrative center of the province, had only 44,000 Armenians
as compared to 68,000 Moslems. By the time of the Russian Census of 1897,
however, the Armenians had established a scant majority, 53 percent, in the
guberniia; it had risen by 1916 to 60 percent, or 670,000 of the 1,120,000
inhabitants. This impressive change in the province's ethnic character
notwithstanding, there was, on the eve of the creation of the Armenian
Republic, a solid block of 370,000 Tartars who continued to dominate the
southern districts, from the outskirts of Ereven to the border of Persia."
(See also Map 1. Historic Armenia and Map 4. Administrative subdivisions of
Transcaucasia).
In 1920, '0' percent Turk.
"We closed the roads and mountain passes that might serve as
ways of escape for the Tartars and then proceeded in the work
of extermination. Our troops surrounded village after village.
Little resistance was offered. Our artillery knocked the huts
into heaps of stone and dust and when the villages became untenable
and inhabitants fled from them into fields, bullets and bayonets
completed the work. Some of the Tartars escaped of course. They
found refuge in the mountains or succeeded in crossing the border
into Turkey. The rest were killed. And so it is that the whole
length of the borderland of Russian Armenia from Nakhitchevan to
Akhalkalaki from the hot plains of Ararat to the cold mountain
plateau of the North were dotted with mute mournful ruins of
Tartar villages. They are quiet now, those villages, except for
howling of wolves and jackals that visit them to paw over the
scattered bones of the dead."
Ohanus Appressian
"Men Are Like That"
p. 202.
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast
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In article <93113.123459U59985@uicvm.uic.edu> <U59985@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>I agree with Gaia. Even though the Saturn has proved to be a very reliable car
>so far, a little money spent now is worth the peace of mind.
this is an interesting point. some people are not really buying the coverage,
they are buying 'peace of mind', marketing folks love selling that. i suggest
that people *choose* to not engage their minds in peaceless worry rather than
buying that 'peace of mind'.
>
>In my opinion, getting the PowerTrain warranty is enough. In my case, that's be
>cause; anything that needed repairing in the interior (sunroof, windows, doors,
> etc.) I could do myself. I just didn't want to mess with the engine and such.
you'd be surprised how much the little knick-knack stuff can cost? what if
your a/c goes out? steering rack?? don't get me wrong...i'm against all
extended warranties...they are a ripoff.
>
>Plus I think the extra 3 years of 24-hour RoadSide Assistance must be worthe so
>meting. I opted for the 5 year plan for $375.
extra 3 yrs? you realize the first 3yr/36k is free warranty that comes with
the car.
>
>Thomas
>
| 7rec.autos
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Well, thanks to everyone who has entered so far. There are at least 40
entries, and hopefully more people will enter before the deadline, which
is 7:30 pm Today, Sunday, April 18, 1993! In the interest of fairness,
since I will win anyway, I feel it is only right to actually tell everyone
my picks, so that you all won't cry "rigged" after I declare myself the
winner. Here they are:
Series Your Pick Games
Division Semifinals
Pittsburgh-New Jersey Pittsburgh 5
Washington-NY Islanders NY Islanders 6
Boston-Buffalo Boston 5
Quebec-Montreal Quebec 7
Chicago-St. Louis Chicago 4
Detroit-Toronto Detroit 6
Vancouver-Winnipeg Winnipeg 7
Calgary-Los Angeles Calgary 7
Division Finals
Patrick Pittsburgh 6
Adams Quebec 7
Norris Chicago 7
Smythe Calgary
Conference Finals
Wales Pittsburgh 5
Campbell Chicago 4
Stanley Cup winner Pittsburgh 6
--
Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!
"When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
| 10rec.sport.hockey
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kdw@icd.ab.com (Kenneth D. Whitehead) writes:
>the dismissal or resignation of Lloyd Bensen, Secretary of the Treasury,
In case you haven't sent it yet, it's "Bentsen", not "Bensen".
Brad
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
bressler@iftccu.ca.boeing.com (Rick Bressler) writes:
>Small arms rounds set off outside of a firearm pose little risk except
>possibly eye injuries and minor wounds.
True.
>Large concentrations of ammo,
>or 'magazines' (not the type you insert into your semi auto) probably
>pose a larger risk, but mostly from heat and flame. (This is also
>covered in the above reference.)
No more risk than smaller stashes unless the stash is somehow confined so
the heat from early ignitions could somehow bulk-heat the remainder.
Two years ago this month my house and office burned. In my office was my
reloading bench. On the top shelf next to the wooden ceiling was
about 100 lbs of smokeless powder, 5 lbs of black powder, several thousand
primers and a couple thousand loaded rounds, primarily in .45ACP, .30-20
and .308. The fire was extinguished before the area containing the
reloading supplies were fully involved. There was about 1/2" of char on
the joists, subsequently removed by sandblasting. Lots of heat in other
words.
None of the powder kegs ignited. One 1lb can of pistol powder ignited.
No explosion, as the can opened at the seam as it was designed to do.
The black powder cans were charred and got so hot the plastic lids
completely melted and ran down inside. The smokless powder was
contained mostly in 8 lb cardboard or metal kegs. The kegs were charred
badly enough that the paper labels burned completely off and in the case
of the metal cans, the plastic lids melted completely away.
Many of the rounds cooked off. They were in close proximity to wood
on all sides so the effects were easy to observe. In most cases with the
rifle ammo, the cartridge cases ruptured in the middle. Many bullets were
found still in the neck. Small shards of brass were lightly stuck into
the wood. Lightly enough that brushing them with a fingertip would usually
dislodge them. Primers generally popped out of the primer pockets.
The .45ACP rounds that cooked off left empty cases and bullets laying around.
No dents were observed above the storage area, indicating the bullets
left the cases slowly enough not to be a hazard.
Ordinary small arms ammo is NOT a hazard when cooking off regardless
of what the FBI says.
John
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| 16talk.politics.guns
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>I too was puzzled by this obvious untruth. What I think is going on is that
>Nissan claims that the Altima is "the best selling new car namelplate in
>the US" (I think I have this near verbatim). Lee Iaccoca's statistics
>dept. would have been proud of that sentence.
Note that the Corolla/Prism are also new designs... but hey are not new
"nameplates." I guess Nissan doesn't even sell as many Altimas as
Toyota does Corollas, or there would be no "nameplate" qualifier.
| 7rec.autos
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My brother is in the market for a high-performance video card that supports
VESA local bus with 1-2MB RAM. Does anyone have suggestions/ideas on:
- Diamond Stealth Pro Local Bus
- Orchid Farenheit 1280
- ATI Graphics Ultra Pro
- Any other high-performance VLB card
Please post or email. Thank you!
- Matt
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| Matthew B. Lawson <------------> (mblawson@essex.ecn.uoknor.edu) |
--+-- "Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise and exalt and glorify the King --+--
| of heaven, because everything he does is right and all his ways |
| are just." - Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, 562 B.C. |
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Could some kind soul out there e-mail me the 411 on where I can find the mlb.c
program? I'm interested in some road trips this year....
--
David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993
*-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------*
***"THE RAP IS AN ART EP" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.***
*------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------*
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:
> Mathew, I agree. This, it seems, is the crux of your whole position,
> isn't it? That the US shouldn't have supported Hussein and sold him arms
> to fight Iran? I agree. And I agree in ruthlessly hunting down those
> who did or do. But we *did* sell arms to Hussein, and it's a done deal.
> Now he invades Kuwait. So do we just sit back and say, "Well, we sold
> him all those arms, I suppose he just wants to use them now. Too bad
> for Kuwait." No, unfortunately, sitting back and "letting things be"
> is not the way to correct a former mistake. Destroying Hussein's
> military potential as we did was the right move. But I agree with
> your statement, Reagan and Bush made a grave error in judgment to
> sell arms to Hussein.
But it's STILL HAPPENING. That's the entire point. Only last month, John
Major hailed it as a great victory that he had personally secured a sale of
arms to Saudi Arabia. The same month, we sold jet fighters to the same
Indonesian government that's busy killing the East Timorese.
It's all very well to say "Oops, we made a boo-boo, better clean up the
mistake", but the US and UK *keep* making the *same* mistake. They do it so
often that I can't believe it's not deliberate. This suspicion is reinforced
by the fact that the mistake is an extremely profitable one for a decrepit
economy reliant on arms sales.
> So it's really not the Gulf War you abhor
> so much, it was the U.S.'s and the West's shortsightedness in selling
> arms to Hussein which ultimately made the war inevitable, right?
No, I thought both were terrible.
mathew
| 0alt.atheism
|
First of all: Thank you everyone who replied. As you can well
imagine, I got nearly one hundred responses, so I figured I'd thank
you all here instead of individually.
The tallies:
I got one vote for A/UX, which runs on the Macintosh.
I got several nays for Commodore's 3000UX system.
Most people agreed that SGI's were nice, and very very expensive.
Some (devoted) Sun users nearly insisted that I try to find a used
Sun, say a 3/60 or 3/80.
About a dozen people told me how they love their NeXT...only now NeXT
is out of the hardware business (see below).
And most of the other 85+ people said: Get a 486 box, and run some
version of Unix that's available either in the Public Domain or
commercially.
=============
And so I weighed my options. What stood out, in my opinion, was that
there were several different versions of Unix available on one system:
the 486 (PC) architecture. If I bought a Sun, I'd have to use SunOS.
If I bought a (used) NeXT, I'd have to use NeXTSTEP (see below). Ad
nauseum.
But with a PC, I can run Linux, which is a small user-friendly (?)
flavor that uses shared libraries to cut down on volume, although I
hear its networking abilities aren't up to speed with 386bsd, another
PD (==free) port (which takes up a lot more space). I can purchase
BSD386 (commercial product) if I choose. There are several other
commercial packages available.
So, what I've found out (after pricing systems, etc.), is that I can
get a really good Unix workstation for as little as ~$2500. Including
source code!
Or, for ~$3500-4000, I can get an unbelievable EISA bus 486-66DX2
system, fully blown, and run single user BSD386.
What I'm really excited about, though, is NEXTSTEP for Intel. NeXT
changed into a software company only, and they are releasing their OS
for PC's. I've used NeXT's before, and I absolutely loved them.
Everyone who wrote me about NeXT (or NEXTSTEP) commented on the
developer's environment, and how well designed the whole package is.
===========
So, my choice is to:
1) Wait for the mail on Monday, so I can read what NEXTSTEP's system
requirements are
2) If I'm wowed on what they say, I'll buy a system that fits into
their criteria
2a) Get NEXTSTEP
3) If I'm wowed, but I can't afford it yet (most likely), I'll buy a
system that fits their criteria
3a) Get Linux or 386bsd, as a temporary learning experience so I
can save up for NEXTSTEP
4) If I'm not sufficiently wowed (least likely), I'll buy a system
that is slightly less blown out (like a 486DX 25, ISA) and put Linux
or 386bsd on it.
================
Again, thanks to everyone around the net.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
I'm looking for some Game Boy games. Please e-mail me with your list and offers! Thanks! Also, if you have a game boy you want to get rid of, please tell me.
Chris
| 6misc.forsale
|
[ NOTE: talk.origins removed from crossposting, as this had no business
going there in the first place. ]
In <1r4b59$7hg@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu> ray@engr.LaTech.edu writes:
> If I make a statement, "That God exists, loves me, etc." but in no way
> insist that you believe it, does that place a burden of proof upon me.
No, but you're not achieving anything either. If you don't want to
argue the point you're stating, why do you bother stating it?
> If you insist that God doesn't exist, does that place a burden of proof
> upon you?
No. Read the (alt.atheism) FAQ to find out why.
> I give no proofs, I only give testimony to my beliefs.
Well enough; if I feel interested, I might even listen.
> I will respond to proofs that you attempt to disprove my beliefs.
I won't; the task is impossible, and I don't have to do it in the
first place. Why should I even bother to change or disprove your beliefs?
- Mats "Strong apatheist?" Andtbacka
--
Disclaimer? "It's great to be young and insane!"
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
From: sam.halperin@cccbbs.uceng
486 DX 50 mHz in Zero Insertion Force Socket
Empty over-drive socket
EISA motherboard with 256k cache
-->2 32 bit EISA Slots
-->2 32 bit VESA local bus slots
-->4 16 bit ISA slots
8 MB 70ns RAM
-->8 SIMMS sockets filled with 1mb strips (0 sockets open)
32 bit EISA IDE hard drive controller
330 Meg IDE hard disk drive w/ 64k cache (12ms)
Diamond Viper Weitek 9000 VESA local bus graphics card w/ 2mb
15" MAG MX15F monitor
2 Serial(NS16550AFN UART), 1 parralell & 1 game ports
Full tower case
-->250 Watt power supply
-->5 X 5.25" bays
-->2 X 3.5" bays
-->2 X Hard Drive bays
1.2MB 5.25" & 1.33MB 3.5" Floppy Drives
Enhanced 101 key keyboard
Hi-Resolution 400 DPI Serial Mouse
MS DOS 5.0 and MS Windows 3.1 or newer
AMI BIOS
Joint Data Motherboard
30 Day Money Back Gaurantee
Unconditional 2 Year Parts Warranty
Lifetime Labor Warranty
One year Nationwide on site service
This system is currently availble from Comtrade, the company that
won some of the highest (over dell, gateway and IBM) awards in
recent PC magazine reviews. Your price must be highly
competitive, without sacrificing any of the quality standards
listed above.
PLEASE RESPOND TO sam.halperin@cccbbs.uceng
VIA E-MAIL
| 6misc.forsale
|
I never thought I'd contribute to a Gateway thread, either pro or con, but
my spleen could use a little venting. The scenario:
1 - Ordered a DX2/50 w/ Ultrastor 34F Local Bus HD controller
2 - Receive system 10 days after ordering (Happy)
3 - Discover Ultrastor 14F ISA HD Controller inside (unhappy)
4 - Call Gateway, receive the correct controller in 5 days
(getting happier)
5 - New controller doesn't work (unhappy again)
6 - Call Gateway again, get another controller in 5 more days
(cooling off, the end is in sight)
7 - This controller doesn't work either, motherboard is bad
(VERY unhappy)
Gateway's solution: They will order me a new motherboard (5 more days)
and have on-site service install it for me.
BUT, I have to take a day off of work because the service people
only work 9-5 M-f. I say, no way I've already blown about 20 hours
with this, about 10 of them on hold and I don't have the time or $$
to take a day off work. Also, my 30 day return period is almost over and
I've only been able to use the thin for about 10 minutes. So, the whole
thing is going back.
I was extremely upset when I began this post because the support rep told me
that I would have to pay shipping not only for the returned system, but also
the two hard drive controllers they had sent me. Fortunately, I just spoke
to customer service and they are going to have UPS come and pick everything
up gratis. The only downside is that now I have to order another computer.
I would really like to try Gateway again, I'm just very turned off by the
prospect of having to try and get through to Customer Service or Tech Support
again... I think their products are great for the most part, but I'm
beginning to wonder if the savings are worth the potential aggravation.
Are other mail order companies as difficult to contact? I know Gateway is
booming, and for good reason, but I don't know if I can take it again.
Oh well, I feel better now...
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| Internet: markd@cc.gatech.edu |
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Hi,
does anyone have a keyboard map for a Sun UK type 5 keyboard for use under
X11/R5 ?
Thanks,
Nigel.
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| Computer Science, University of Durham, | Phne: +44.91.374.2549 |
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| 5comp.windows.x
|
I saw a previous request for the Rules and Instructions for the USENET
playoff pool but I haven't seen any responce. Does anybody have this info?
If so post away or you could mail it to me. Thanks in advance.
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| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
In a previous article, mconners@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael R Conners) says:
>In article <C4zrEH.C7s@news.udel.edu> roby@chopin.udel.edu (Scott W Roby) write
>s:
>
>The real question: Should the Feds bail-out Steve Jobs & NeXT (a la Chrysler)
>so that important manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost?
No. The REAL question: Should the Feds bail-out IBM ( a la Chrysler )
so that important $80K manufacturing jobs wouldn't be lost?
It could be part of the "Jobs Bill"
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
Jeff Nichols (jcn@rice.edu) wrote:
&
& And speaking of shims, why would the clearance of the valves get smaller,
& i.e.
& need the use of a thinner shim?
Because the valves recede into the cylinder head faster than the shims/cams
wear down..
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| 8rec.motorcycles
|
In article <tcora-220493100925@b329-gator-3.pica.army.mil> tcora@pica.army.mil (Tom Coradeschi) writes:
[Useless road design, speed rate discussion deleted.]
>> Actually, the roads were designated as safe at 80 when they were built
>> in the 1950's taking into account the kinds of cars then available. The
>> number would be much higher today because the cars, tires and just about
>> everything else has imprivoved a lot.
>
>Except the drivers.
Thank You!
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my employer, since I have none |-)
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| 7rec.autos
|
In article <79557@cup.portal.com>, mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson) writes:
|>Xref: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com misc.invest:40997 misc.forsale:88577
|>Path: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!pa.dec.com!e2big.mko.dec.com!uvo.dec.com!news.crl.dec.com!deccrl!caen!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sdd.hp.com!portal!cup.portal.com!mmm
|>From: mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson)
|>Newsgroups: misc.invest,misc.forsale
|>Subject: Re: Metal powder,steel,iron.
|>Message-ID: <79557@cup.portal.com>
|>Date: Thu, 15 Apr 93 08:53:51 PDT
|>Organization: The Portal System (TM)
|>References: <ACpDgohaWA@commed.msk.su>
|>Lines: 4
|>
|>I just love these posts from the ex-Soviet Union. Among the cars, dinette
|>sets, video cameras, etc. every now and then an ad pops up for bee venom,
|>RED OXIDE OF MERCURY, cobalt (100 tons minimum order), etc. Don't they
|>have garage sales in Russia? :-)
|>
It really doesn't strike me as very funny. It is rather indicative of what
a crisis their economy is in. I imagine they are in desparate need of
markets to sustain industries and people which are nolonger under central
control of the government.
--
Jim Rosenkranz rosen@kranz.enet.dec.com
"Never try to teach a pig to sing: it can't be done, and it annoys the pig."
| 6misc.forsale
|
I have ordered many times from Competition accesories and ussually
get 2-3 day delivery. Once they had to backorder something, but they
sent me a card to say it would be two weeks. Came in 10 days or so.
Always be satisfied, with CA and in life.
<================================================>
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/ NSWC - Carderock Division (w) 301-227-1670 \
/ "I speak for no one else, and listen to the same." \
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| 8rec.motorcycles
|
I would like more info on this if anybody has it. Our Exabyte
8500 tapedrive has never been working from the Quadra 950.
We have been trying it since September 1992, replaced cabling,
inits, I don't know what all. All the "industry experts" we
phoned (the tapedrive dealer, our Apple dealer, the software
dealer) all say it's our fault, or they don't know. The last
thing they said was that we needed a special Quadra SCSI terminator
(???). Anybody know more? Thanks,
Katinka van der Linden <katinka@FenK.wau.nl>
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
I want to go from 512K to 1M VRAM on my Quadra 800. How many 512K SIMMS do I
need to buy? Is the current 512K soldered on the board or do I need to take
out the current VRAM before I add more?
Thanks,
Wesley Stuart Jones
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%% wstuartj@ecn.purdue.edu %%
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| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
{Kris Gleason} said
"Re: what to do with old 2"
to <All> on 04-15-93 11:02
KG> Yeah... keychains. I have seen 64K simms with a silver
KG> keyring attached, big seller at the computer store. I'm
KG> sure you could find a bunch of geeks^H^H^H^H^H^H computer
KG> science majors around that would buy them for $10. Maybe
KG> $15, if you're lucky.
Untrue they would check JDR first and say 5. That's how much
they are worth AT MOST. My guess is they are worth 1 buck
a peice.
Stephen Cyberman@Toz.Buffalo.NY.US
Mangled on Sat 04-17-1993 at 20:26:37
... This tagline is a duplicate. This tagline is a duplicate.
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| 12sci.electronics
|
In article <NERONE.93Apr20085951@sylvester.cc.utexas.edu> nerone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Michael Nerone) writes:
> In article <1quvdoINN3e7@srvr1.engin.umich.edu>, tdawson@engin.umich.edu (Chris Herringshaw) writes:
>
> CH> Concerning the proposed newsgroup split, I personally am not in
> Also, it is readily observable that the current spectrum of amiga
> groups is already plagued with mega-crossposting; thus the group-split
> would not, in all likelihood, bring about a more structured
> environment.
Am I glad you write that. I got flamed all along because I begged NOT to
crosspost some nonsense articles.
The problem with crossposting is on the first poster. I am aware that this
posting is a crossposting too, but what else should one do. You never know
where the interested people stay in.
To split up newsgroups brings even more crossposting.
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Environment:
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Motif 1.1.4
Sun IPC 4.1.3
Problem:
When mouse is moved across screen horizontally, the sprite goes off
of the edge of the screen and reappears at the *other* edge.
It appears that the server thinks we are running in multi-screen
mode; the cursor seems to "wrap" from one side of the screen to
the other.
As far as we can tell, we are not running the server in multi-screen
mode.
Please reply via E-mail.
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In article <2076@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>I think this is no accident. It comes from the same philosophy that
>the government rules/controls the people, not the people controlling
>the government, that the unconnected citizens are not sophisticated enough
>to know what is best for them, so the government must tell the people
>what they need or do not need ... "we know best...". And the idea that
>that a commoner can defend himself against government eavesdropping
>or unlawful attack is totally unacceptable to people with this outlook.
>
>
>Combine this all with pushing for national identity cards with 'smart
>chips' to encode anything they please (internal passport) under the
>guise of streamlining the State People's Health Care System, and with
>(you can be certain) more jewels yet to come, and one sees an extremely
>ominous trend. So what if "1984" will be ten years late... it still is
>turning out to be an amazingly accurate prophecy... unless a LOT of
>people wake up, and in a hurry.
>
>One should ALWAYS have every red warning light and bell and danger flag
>come up when the government seeks to set itself apart in regard to
>rights, etc. from the unconnected/unprivileged citizen (or should we
>now be saying 'subject' instead?)... Why SHOULDN'T the average person
>have a good, secure system of data security, not dependent on nebulous
>'safeguards' for maintaining that security? Why SHOULDN'T the average
>person be able to defend himself from an agency gone rogue? 0I am sure
>the Feds could break into any data they really wanted to (but it would
>take some WORK), and using the same logic, one should not be allowed to
>have a good safe, unless a duplicate of the key(s) or combination are
>submitted for 'safekeeping' by the government? I don't really see a
>difference, philosophically. Encrypted data sure won't evaporate, not
>with such high-tech tools as a TAPE RECORDER...
>
The average amerikan today seems to think that the government should be
able to eavesdrop on everyone (else). Opinion polls show that most
people belive the Bill of Rights to grant too much freedom to people,
when it is not identified as such (BTW, if anyone knows of a cite for that,
I'd love to have it). Not only does this mean that these people are
willing to give up everyone (else's) rights, they don't even know what
the Bill of Rights actually says.
How can we show the average person (not the average USENET reader) that
people are actually entitiled to these rights? So many people don't
care if the government is taking more and more control of us all, a little
at a time.
If there was some sort of awareness of what the government is trying
to do by a majority of the US population... Just think about what
could be accomplished - but there are so many that trust, unthinkingly,
in whatever the media and government tell them.
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10 month old stereo system for sale. Luxman R-351 receiver, Onkyo TA-RW404
tape deck, and Polk Monitor M4.6 book shelf speakers are for sale. Receiver
has 5 year warranty, and all equipment is in excellent condition. Paid $950
for the system and willing to consider the best offer. Will sell seperate
pieces also if desired. Please send best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu.
Speakers: Polk Monitor M4.6 bookshelf speakers
Paid $250 pair. Willing to consider best offer.
Receiver: Luxman R-351 receiver with 5 year (yes 5 years) warranty.
Paid $475. Willing to consider best offer.
Full remote, 2 pairs of speaker connections,
60 watts per channel, but drives like a 150 watts per channel
Has all the standard features, and more.
Tape Deck: Onkyo TA-RW404 tape deck
Paid $275. Willing to consider best offer.
Dual cassette, Dolby B, C, and HX Pro.
Input level control for recording, auto reverse both sides.
Has all standard features.
Send E-mail with best offer to suraj@cs.jhu.edu
-Suraj
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In a previous article, pyotr@halcyon.com (Peter D. Hampe) says:
>
>The Military's mission is to kill the enemy before
>they can escape or surrender.
Yes, so? You still haven't explained why they
can't be used to enforce Civil Law. They certainly
would have done a better job of Koresh. Just call
in an air strike.
>chus
>pyotr
>
>--
>pyotr@halcyon.com Sometimes Pyotr Filipivich, sometimes Owl.
>OPTIMIST: Bagpiper with a beeper.
>
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In article <1993Apr25.025459.12837@random.ccs.northeastern.edu> rogue@ccs.northeastern.edu (Free Radical) writes:
>
>No no no no no no no.
>
>It will go like this:
>
>FEDS: We need the key to phone 334RE67D99.
>
>ESCROW: You have a warrant to tap the line phone 334RE67D99 is on?
>
>FEDS: Yes.
>
>ESCROW: Fine, here is our key.
>
>rogue@cs.neu.edu (Rogue Agent/SoD!)
It also goes like this:
FED1: We need to listen into <mafia head/druglord/terrorist/BBS sysop>'s
conversations but don't have probable cause for a tap.
FED2: Who do we have a tap on?
FED1: <some other enemy of the state>.
FED2: So get the keys - we can always claim that phone's being used on the
tapped line.
There's got to be some way to associate an instrument with an individual or
the state effectively has a tap, possibly not admissible (given the War on
Drugs exceptions to the 4/5 ammendments, who knows) but none the less
listenable tap on any phone.
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Charles Mattair (work) mattair@synercom.hounix.org
<standard.disclaimer> (home) cgm@elmat.synercom.hounix.org
In a mature society, "civil servant" is semantically equivalent to
"civil master." - Robert Heinlein, _The Notebooks of Lazarus Long_
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tim@intrepid.gsfc.nasa.gov (Tim Seiss) writes:
]Just wanted to say "Thanks" to everyone who sent me e-mail or
]posted a reply to my question on the oil consumption in my K75S
so what did _you_ decide?
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In article <h01sav.dsyibm.desy.de-230493200218@michael.desy.de>,
h01sav.dsyibm.desy.de (Michael M. Savitski) writes:
>Hi, there!
>I have a MAC LC and consider buying CD300. I've been told,
>however, that:
>1. The double speed of CD300 is achievable only on machines
> with SCSI-2.
This is completely false.
>2. The double speed is a prerequisite for PhotoCD multisession
> capability, which I need.
This is also false. What you need for multisession capability is
multisession capability -- which is based on the firmware and
electronics, not the drive speed. I'll admit, though, that I have
not seen a multisession capable drive that isn't double speed.
>3. Which means I seem to gain nothing compared with, say CD150.
The above (1 & 2), proves 3 to be false.
>
>Any comments?
The Apple CD300 is an excellent double-speed multi-session PhotoCD
capable drive. So are drives based on the slightly-faster Toshiba
XM3401. Some companies selling such drives are: Spin Peripherals (a
bargain at $499) and PLI (a company I hate) and Relax Technologies
(a company I know little about other than that they are a longtime
player in Mac mailorder, which is usually a good sign). The NEC
CDR74 is also a good choice (NEC's own mechanism, I think). ClubMac
sells it for around $619.
>Thanx.
Your welcome, ooh but now I see your from Germany. Most of the
mailorder info does you little good, I guess. If not:
Spin Peripherals -- 800-466-1200
Club Mac -- 800-258-2622
Relax Tech -- 510-471-6112
Nothing wrong with the Apple, though, which is based on a Sony
mechanism and speed-identical to the NEC. The Toshiba's speed
advantage is very slight: 20% in average access time (a minor plus)
and 10% in data transfer rate (a slightly more important plus).
Good luck,
Mark
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I would like a reference to an algorithm that can detect whether
one closed curve bounded by some number of bezier curves lies completely
within another closed curve bounded by bezier curves.
Thanks.
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I need to add to your message.
I have a major problem on my hands. I have a Rodime 60+ (series
RO3000T) external hard drive. Rodime is out of business,
and not writing any more drivers. In particular, drivers
compatable with system 7.1. After talking to Rodime,
they recommended the following Hard drive manufacturers
and their driver software that were compatable:
SCSI Hard drive manufacturer Driver Software
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FWB Hard disk tool kit
FWB Hard disk tool kit - personal
La Cie Silverlining 5.2 or higher
Casa Blanca Driver Software Drive7
If anybody has experience with these driver software packages, please reply.
If there is shareware out there, I would like to get my hands on it. I would
much rather send a good developer the $25 or so, because most of the software
I mentioned, if purchased, would cost $125, $49, $149, and $49 respectively.
Thanks in advance.
Bob Dohr, the Association
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In article <1993Apr23.153005.8237@starbase.trincoll.edu> writes:
>In article <1r6h4vINN844@clem.handheld.com>, jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De
>Arras) wrote:
>>
>> You seem to make two points. No one ultimately oversees the federal agencies
>> you mention, and since Koresh "apparently" has a different view point from your
>
>I've yet to meet a group of Baptists who were stockpiling Cambell's soup
>and M-16's/AR-15's and banging/marrying thirteen yuear olds. You're a sorry
Hmm... all reports from Texas authorities indicate that none of the children
which the group released showed any signs of child abuse.. given that the same
results were found the last time the group was investigated for such allegations,
I can pretty much state that I strongly suspect the government of disinformation
/deception on this issue. And about stockpiling weapons/food, many recognized
religous groups practice maintaining a one years supply of food, and some even
maintain a supply of weapons and ammunition, why are those two facts grounds
for an armed assault? And from the dollar value of the weapons purchased,
if they bought decent firearms it comes out to about one handgun, rifle, and
shotgun for each adult, with a few extras... Going by that rule, the BATF
best get ready for the fight of their life when they assault Alabama...
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