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Appsoft Image is available for NeXTStep. It is a image processing program
similar to Adobe Photoshop. It is reviewed in the April '93 issue of
Publish! Magazine.
Richardt
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"Freed om of Religion" has absolutely nothing to do with building a small
arsenal and grooming 10-year old children to be your wife. "I'll come out
as soon as I finish my manuscript on the Seven Seals." Oh, OK, David.
I agree that Koresh was as much of a victim as a perpetrator; this because
he grew up inside the cult, and engaged in a power struggle where his
supporters helped inflate his ego.
That doesn't change the fact that he was a loose fucking cannon with a
shitload of serious weapons. Or that he was banging thirteen year olds and
twisting their impressionable little minds.
This was no MOVE fuck-up. A helicoptor was thermal-imaging the compound
that afternoon and detected three fires erupting almost simultaneously.
There were no CS CANISTERS... a specially modified Abrams was pupming the
stuff in. No chance of starting a fire there. Kerosene lamps? Maybe one,
but not three fires. No way. Koresh wasn't just talking out of his ass. I
expected this to happen.
Maybe they WANTED it to look like murder. He had 50+ days. I think this was
coming the whole time. He didn't even put the children in the buried bus or
the underground bunker during the CS seige. He put them up into the tower
to die. Fuck all of you "Big Brother" paranoid freaks. The only good thing
to come of any of this is that there will be one less group of crazoids to
attract some of the more rootless members of our society.
joe.kusmierczak@mail.trincoll.edu
| 16talk.politics.guns
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Is there any FAQ list for Programming in X windows?
Thankx for the info
bye
venky
| 5comp.windows.x
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I have for sale 2 (TWO) x 1 MEG (70ns) SIMMS for the Macintosh aka fastones.
If you are interested, please email an offer.
khoh@usc.edu
| 6misc.forsale
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In article <1993Apr20.230501.28364@ncar.ucar.edu> woods@ncar.ucar.edu (Greg Woods) writes:
>Alright, that's enough. I've suffered with all kinds of insults (as
>typical for the net), but give me a break. Galarraga is currently
>batting over .400 and you guys are complaining that he isn't drawing
>enough walks. What would he have to do to please you guys, bat 1.000?
>You can hardly claim that he is "hurting his team".
Fine, are you willing to bet that he will bat .400 the rest of the way?
The point is that he has hurt the Rockies so far; it's that he *will* hurt
them, eventually. Just as much as he hurt the Expos and the Cardinals the
past couple seasons.
>If it happens that the pitchers start throwing him fewer good pitches
>and he starts making lots of outs (as someone speculated might happen),
>*THEN* I would agree with you that he isn't taking enough pitches. My comment
It has happened for the past 3+ seasons; where have you been?
>that "he isn't paid to walk" doesn't mean that he should have a license
>to swing at bad pitches and make outs; it's more along the lines of: he's
>batting .400 and leading the league in RBI's so what bloody difference
>does it make if he isn't drawing a lot of walks? Sheesh.
We'll see come September. (I have an outstanding bet with someone that
Galarraga's OBP will be less than .300 on June 1.)
===============================================================================
GO CALIFORNIA ANGELS!
===============================================================================
Nelson Lu (claudius@leland.stanford.edu)
| 9rec.sport.baseball
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In article <1416@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com> meb4593@galileo.rtn.ca.boeing.com (Michael Bain) writes:
>
>Insurance companies sure seem to go for No-Fault coverage. Since the
>majority of accidents are the cagers' fault, doesn't this imply that we
>would have to pay much higher rates under a No-Fault system?
>
>With a cars-only system, it seems to make sense on the surface: take the
>legal costs out of the system. But it looks like motorcyclists would
>get screwed.
Yup. Unfortunately, as has been pointed out, the cost of insurance
does NOT go down with No Fault. The crappiest drivers make out like bandits
because they no longer have to bear the responsibility of paying for
insurance that they have boosted in price for themselves by being crappy
drivers. The good drivers now pay through the nose to spread the cost of
the crappy drivers' actions, and that's not fair.
Any plan that caps rates for crappy drivers is inherently a piece of
shit, because the rest of us end up paying more.
Any plan that uses speeding tickets as a basis for raising rates is
also a piece of shit as it is based upon the lie that faster drivers are
inherently less safe than slower drivers, and the NHTSA disproved that two
years ago now.
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
Here is a press release from the White House.
Text of President Clinton's Letter to Congress on Iranian Assets
To: National Desk
Contact: White House Press Office, 202-456-2100
WASHINGTON, May 14 -- Following is a letter
President Clinton wrote to Congress on Iranian Assets:
TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES:
I hereby report to the Congress on developments since the
last Presidential report on November 10, 1992, concerning the
national emergency with respect to Iran that was declared in
Executive Order No. 12170 of November 14, 1979, and matters
relating to Executive Order No. 12613 of October 29, 1987.
This report is submitted pursuant to section 204(c) of the
International Emergency Economic Powers Act, 50 U.S.C. 1703(c),
and section 505(c) of the International Security and Development
Cooperation Act of 1985, 22 U.S.C. 2349aa-9(c). This report
covers events through March 31, 1993. The last report, dated
November 10, 1992, covered events through October 15, 1992.
1. There have been no amendments to the Iranian
Transactions Regulations ("ITRs"), 31 CFR Part 560, or to the
Iranian Assets Control Regulations ("IACRs"), 31 CFR Part 535,
since the last report.
2. The Office of Foreign Assets Control ("FAC") of the
Department of the Treasury continues to process applications
for import licenses under the ITRs. However, as previously
reported, recent amendments to the ITRs have resulted in a
substantial decrease in the number of applications received
relating to the importation of nonfungible Iranian-origin goods.
During the reporting period, the Customs Service has
continued to effect numerous seizures of Iranian-origin
merchandise, primarily carpets, for violation of the import
prohibitions of the ITRs. FAC and Customs Service investi-
gations of these violations have resulted in forfeiture actions
and the imposition of civil monetary penalties. Additional
forfeiture and civil penalty actions are under review.
3. The Iran-United States Claims Tribunal (the
"Tribunal"), established at The Hague pursuant to the Algiers
Accords, continues to make progress in arbitrating the claims
before it. Since the last report, the Tribunal has rendered
12 awards, for a total of 545 awards. Of that total, 367 have
been awards in favor of American claimants: 222 of these were
awards on agreed terms, authorizing and approving payment of
settlements negotiated by the parties, and 145 were decisions
adjudicated on the merits. The Tribunal has issued 36 decisions
dismissing claims on the merits and 83 decisions dismissing
claims for jurisdictional reasons. Of the 59 remaining awards,
3 approved the withdrawal of cases, and 56 were in favor of
Iranian claimants. As of March 31, 1993, awards to successful
American claimants from the Security Account held by the
NV Settlement Bank stood at $2,340,072,357.77.
As of March 31, 1993, the Security Account has fallen
below the required balance of $500 million 36 times. Iran has
periodically replenished the account, as required by the Algiers
Accords, by transferring funds from the separate account held by
the NV Settlement Bank in which interest on the Security Account
is deposited. Iran has also replenished the account with the
proceeds from the sale of Iranian-origin oil imported into the
United States, pursuant to transactions licensed on a case-by-
case basis by FAC. Iran has not, however, replenished the
account since the last oil sale deposit on October 8, 1992.
The aggregate amount that has been transferred from the Interest
Account to the Security Account is $874,472,986.47. As of
March 31, 1993, the total amount in the Security Account was
$216,244,986.03, and the total amount in the Interest Account
was $8,638,133.15.
4. The Tribunal continues to make progress in the
arbitration of claims of U.S. nationals for $250,000.00 or more.
Since the last report, nine large claims have been decided.
More than 85 percent of the nonbank claims have now been
disposed of through adjudication, settlement, or voluntary
withdrawal, leaving 76 such claims on the docket. The larger
claims, the resolution of which has been slowed by their
complexity, are finally being resolved, sometimes with sizable
awards to the U.S. claimants. For example, two claimants were
awarded more than $130 million each by the Tribunal in October
1992.
5. As anticipated by the May 13, 1990, agreement settling
the claims of U.S. nationals for less than $250,000.00, the
Foreign Claims Settlement Commission ("FCSC") has continued its
review of 3,112 claims. The FCSC has issued decisions in
1,201 claims, for total awards of more than $22 million. The
FCSC expects to complete its adjudication of the remaining
claims in early 1994.
6. In coordination with concerned Government agencies,
the Department of State continues to present United States
Government claims against Iran, as well as responses by the
United States Government to claims brought against it by Iran.
In November 1992, the United States filed 25 volumes of
supporting information in case B/1 (Claims 2 & 3), Iran's claim
against the United States for damages relating to its Foreign
Military Sales Program. In February of this year, the United
States participated in a daylong prehearing conference in
several other cases involving military equipment. Iran also
filed a new interpretative dispute alleging that the failure
of U.S. courts to enforce an award against a U.S. corporation
violated the Algiers Accords.
7. As reported in November, Jose Maria Ruda, President of
the Tribunal, tendered his resignation on October 2, 1992. No
successor has yet been named. Judge Ruda's resignation will
take effect as soon as a successor becomes available to take up
his duties.
8. The situation reviewed above continues to involve
important diplomatic, financial, and legal interests of the
United States and its nationals. Iran's policy behavior
presents challenges to the national security and foreign
policy of the United States. The IACRs issued pursuant to
Executive Order No. 12170 continue to play an important role
in structuring our relationship with Iran and in enabling
the United States to implement properly the Algiers Accords.
Similarly, the ITRs issued pursuant to Executive Order No. 12613
continue to advance important objectives in combatting inter-
national terrorism. I shall exercise the powers at my disposal
to deal with these problems and will report periodically to the
Congress on significant developments.
WILLIAM J. CLINTON
THE WHITE HOUSE,
May 14, 1993.
-30-
--
Nigel Allen, Toronto, Ontario, Canada ae446@freenet.carleton.ca
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rsilvers@nynexst.com (Robert Silvers) writes:
> Send something to Rush Linbaugh about Clinton taking away our right
>to privacy and how if the govt. standard takes off, only people with lots
>of money (drug dealers) will be able to justify DES stuff. He will slam
>Clinton for this on the air.
> --Rob.
I seem to recall Rush saying that he has a CompuServe account. If anyone
wants to E-mail him, all we need is his account number (i.e.: 12345,6789)
and then we could e-mail him via gateway by using a dot instead of a comma
like so: "12345.6789@compuserve.com". (THIS IS *NOT* HIS ADDRESS.)
So, does anyone know his e-mail address? He *says* he uses it all the time.
(I wonder if he reads alt.fan.rush-limbaugh... His ego is big enough!)
Rick Miller <rick@ee.uwm.edu> | <ricxjo@discus.mil.wi.us> Ricxjo Muelisto
Send a postcard, get one back! | Enposxtigu bildkarton kaj vi ricevos alion!
RICK MILLER // 16203 WOODS // MUSKEGO, WIS. 53150 // USA
| 11sci.crypt
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Urgent help needed. Daughter has SE 30 and Imagewriter II. Worked well until
yesterday. Now when she tries to print from Macwrite II or Acta the printing
message comes on, but not printing! Bought new cable, still no printing. Moved
cable to modem port, still no printing! I'm a DOS person and don't know where
to begin. Are there diagnostics for a MAC?
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
O.K.- if you've read this group for a while, you know all about the
one-time-pad, but here's a question I haven't seen.
The one-time-pad yeilds ideal security, but has a well-known flaw in
authentication. Suppose you use a random bit stream as the pad, and
exclusive-or as the encryption operation. If an adversary knows the
plaintext of a message, he can change it into any other message.
Here's how it works.
Alice is sending Bob a plaintext P, under a key stream S
Alice computes the ciphertext C = S xor P, and sends it to Bob.
Eve knows the plainext P, but wants the message to appear as P'.
Eve intercepts C, and computes C' = C xor P xor P' = S xor P'.
Eve sends C' to Bob.
Bob decrypts C' by computing C'xor S = P', thus receiving the
false message which was substituted by Eve.
Now the question is how can this attack be defeated with information
theoretic security, not just computational security.
Can we define something like "ideal authentication" which is the
analog of ideal security. Can we obtain ideal authentication ?
If not, how much can we limit Eve's control over the message ?
If we can achieve ideal authentication, does the solution use more
key bits or expand the message ? Can we show the solution to be
optimal in one or more parameters ?
Does anyone know if these questions have been aswered before ?
olson@umbc.edu
| 11sci.crypt
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In article <1rb22k$l7v@neuro.usc.edu>, merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) writes:
|> Could someone explain the difference between Tom Gaskins' two books:
|>
|> o PEXLIB Programming Manual
|> o PHIGS Programming Manual
|>
|> Why would I want to buy one book vs the other book? I have an 80386
PEXLIB and PHIGS (as it comes from MIT with PEX and as is explained in the
PHIGS Programming Manual) are just different API's for the PEX protocol,
which is an extension to the X protocol.
So it depends on You, what you go to use.
Advantage of Phigs is the protability to other platforms (IBM GraPhigs,
SunPhigs) and the standardized structuring of the 3D objects.
Advantage of PEXlib is the sometimes faster and easier programming for
immediate mode graphics, because PEX is not an exactly mapping of Phigs
to a Prortocol.
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csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes:
>Since someone brought up sports radio, howabout sportswriting???
I happen to be a big fan of Jayson Stark. He is a baseball writer for the
Philadelphia Inquirer. Every tuesday he writes a "Week in Review" column.
He writes about unusual situations that occured during the week. Unusual
stats. He has a section called "Kinerisms of the Week" which are stupid
lines by Mets brodcaster Ralph Kiner. Every year he has the LGTGAH contest.
That stands for "Last guy to get a hit." He also writes for Baseball
America. That column is sort of a highlights of "Week in Review." If you
can, check his column out sometime. He might make you laugh.
Rob Koffler
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|You live day to day and rkoffler@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu|
|dream about tomorrow --Don Henley |
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| 9rec.sport.baseball
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In article <C5rusq.M6M@news.cso.uiuc.edu> azoghlin@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Very Old Freshman (VOF)) writes:
>Critisism is too easy. What solutions do people have that would have been
>better than what the FBI had been doing for the last few months?
Anything but...
Bill Clinton and Janett Reno should not have started the whole
shenanigan in the first place.
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Archive-name: cryptography-faq/part03
Last-modified: 1993/4/15
FAQ for sci.crypt, part 3: Basic Cryptology
This is the third of ten parts of the sci.crypt FAQ. The parts are
mostly independent, but you should read the first part before the rest.
We don't have the time to send out missing parts by mail, so don't ask.
Notes such as ``[KAH67]'' refer to the reference list in the last part.
The sections of this FAQ are available via anonymous FTP to rtfm.mit.edu
as /pub/usenet/news.answers/cryptography-faq/part[xx]. The Cryptography
FAQ is posted to the newsgroups sci.crypt, sci.answers, and news.answers
every 21 days.
Contents:
* What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key?
* What references can I start with to learn cryptology?
* How does one go about cryptanalysis?
* What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance?
* What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem?
* If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it
guaranteed analysis-proof in practice?
* Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are
relatively easy to break?
* What is cryptology? Cryptography? Plaintext? Ciphertext? Encryption? Key?
The story begins: When Julius Caesar sent messages to his trusted
acquaintances, he didn't trust the messengers. So he replaced every A
by a C, every B by a D, and so on through the alphabet. Only someone
who knew the ``shift by 2'' rule could decipher his messages.
A cryptosystem or cipher system is a method of disguising messages so
that only certain people can see through the disguise. Cryptography is
the art of creating and using cryptosystems. Cryptanalysis is the art
of breaking cryptosystems---seeing through the disguise even when
you're not supposed to be able to. Cryptology is the study of both
cryptography and cryptanalysis.
The original message is called a plaintext. The disguised message is
called a ciphertext. Encryption means any procedure to convert
plaintext into ciphertext. Decryption means any procedure to convert
ciphertext into plaintext.
A cryptosystem is usually a whole collection of algorithms. The
algorithms are labelled; the labels are called keys. For instance,
Caesar probably used ``shift by n'' encryption for several different
values of n. It's natural to say that n is the key here.
The people who are supposed to be able to see through the disguise are
called recipients. Other people are enemies, opponents, interlopers,
eavesdroppers, or third parties.
* What references can I start with to learn cryptology?
For an introduction to technical matter, the survey articles given
in part 10 are the best place to begin as they are, in general,
concise, authored by competent people, and well written. However,
these articles are mostly concerned with cryptology as it has
developed in the last 50 years or so, and are more abstract and
mathematical than historical. The Codebreakers by Kahn [KAH67] is
encyclopedic in its history and technical detail of cryptology up
to the mid-60's.
Introductory cryptanalysis can be learned from Gaines [GAI44] or
Sinkov [SIN66]. This is recommended especially for people who want
to devise their own encryption algorithms since it is a common
mistake to try to make a system before knowing how to break one.
The selection of an algorithm for the DES drew the attention of
many public researchers to problems in cryptology. Consequently
several textbooks and books to serve as texts have appeared. The
book of Denning [DEN82] gives a good introduction to a broad range
of security including encryption algorithms, database security,
access control, and formal models of security. Similar comments
apply to the books of Price & Davies [PRI84] and Pfleeger [PFL89].
The books of Konheim [KON81] and Meyer & Matyas [MEY82] are quite
technical books. Both Konheim and Meyer were directly involved in
the development of DES, and both books give a thorough analysis of
DES. Konheim's book is quite mathematical, with detailed analyses
of many classical cryptosystems. Meyer and Matyas concentrate on
modern cryptographic methods, especially pertaining to key management
and the integration of security facilities into computer systems and
networks.
The books of Rueppel [RUE86] and Koblitz [KOB89] concentrate on
the application of number theory and algebra to cryptography.
* How does one go about cryptanalysis?
Classical cryptanalysis involves an interesting combination of
analytical reasoning, application of mathematical tools, pattern
finding, patience, determination, and luck. The best available
textbooks on the subject are the Military Cryptanalytics series
[FRIE1]. It is clear that proficiency in cryptanalysis is, for
the most part, gained through the attempted solution of given
systems. Such experience is considered so valuable that some of the
cryptanalyses performed during WWII by the Allies are still
classified.
Modern public-key cryptanalysis may consist of factoring an integer,
or taking a discrete logarithm. These are not the traditional fare
of the cryptanalyst. Computational number theorists are some of the
most successful cryptanalysts against public key systems.
* What is a brute-force search and what is its cryptographic relevance?
In a nutshell: If f(x) = y and you know y and can compute f, you can
find x by trying every possible x. That's brute-force search.
Example: Say a cryptanalyst has found a plaintext and a corresponding
ciphertext, but doesn't know the key. He can simply try encrypting the
plaintext using each possible key, until the ciphertext matches---or
decrypting the ciphertext to match the plaintext, whichever is faster.
Every well-designed cryptosystem has such a large key space that this
brute-force search is impractical.
Advances in technology sometimes change what is considered
practical. For example, DES, which has been in use for over 10 years
now, has 2^56, or about 10^17, possible keys. A computation with
this many operations was certainly unlikely for most users in the
mid-70's. The situation is very different today given the dramatic
decrease in cost per processor operation. Massively parallel
machines threaten the security of DES against brute force search.
Some scenarios are described by Garron and Outerbridge [GAR91].
One phase of a more sophisticated cryptanalysis may involve a
brute-force search of some manageably small space of possibilities.
* What are some properties satisfied by every strong cryptosystem?
The security of a strong system resides with the secrecy of the key
rather than with an attempt to keep the algorithm itself secret.
A strong cryptosystem has a large keyspace, as mentioned above. The
unicity distance is a measure which gives the minimum amount of
ciphertext that must be intercepted to uniquely identify the key and
if for some key, the unicity distance is much longer than the amount
of ciphertext you intend to encrypt under that key, the system is
probably strong.
A strong cryptosystem will certainly produce ciphertext which appears
random to all standard statistical tests (see, for example, [CAE90]).
A strong cryptosystem will resist all known previous attacks. A
system which has never been subjected to scrutiny is suspect.
If a system passes all the tests mentioned above, is it necessarily
strong? Certainly not. Many weak cryptosystems looked good at first.
However, sometimes it is possible to show that a cryptosystem is
strong by mathematical proof. ``If Joe can break this system, then
he can also solve the well-known difficult problem of factoring
integers.'' See part 6. Failing that, it's a crap shoot.
* If a cryptosystem is theoretically unbreakable, then is it
guaranteed analysis-proof in practice?
Cryptanalytic methods include what is known as ``practical
cryptanalysis'': the enemy doesn't have to just stare at your
ciphertext until he figures out the plaintext. For instance, he might
assume ``cribs''---stretches of probable plaintext. If the crib is
correct then he might be able to deduce the key and then decipher the
rest of the message. Or he might exploit ``isologs''---the same
plaintext enciphered in several cryptosystems or several keys. Thus
he might obtain solutions even when cryptanalytic theory says he
doesn't have a chance.
Sometimes, cryptosystems malfunction or are misused. The one-time pad,
for example, loses all security if it is used more than once! Even
chosen-plaintext attacks, where the enemy somehow feeds plaintext into
the encryptor until he can deduce the key, have been employed. See
[KAH67].
* Why are many people still using cryptosystems that are
relatively easy to break?
Some don't know any better. Often amateurs think they can design
secure systems, and are not aware of what an expert cryptanalyst
could do. And sometimes there is insufficient motivation for anybody
to invest the work needed to crack a system.
| 11sci.crypt
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Everywhere we see and hear about christianity (due to its
evangalistic nature). Witnessing, spreading the gospel, etc.
But what I want to know is...
"Why should I (or anyone else) become a Christian?"
(In twenty five words or less).
Zeros and Ones will take us there....
peace. plastic. 1993.
[We've had enough discussions about evidence recently that it would
probably be best to respond via email. --clh]
| 15soc.religion.christian
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You should probably use numbers much larger than 64-bits. Also, you
may want to include some randomly-generated bitstrings in your protocol.
This way, if someone should find the shared key you and another person
use on one day, they won't be able to guess it for the next day....
Ie A sends G**A mod P and random string R0
B sends G**B mod P and random string R1
Both find (G**A mod P)** B mod P = Shared Key, then both calculate
Session Key = Hash(R0,Shared Key, R1)
Also, you will want to make sure that you're getting the right public
key value G**A mod P. Someone with the power to intercept and change messages
can oterwise spoof you by sending both of you *his* public key, and then
acquiring a session key with each of you....
--John
| 11sci.crypt
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In article <1r96hb$kbi@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
> In article <1993Apr23.001718.1@aurora.alaska.edu> nsmca@aurora.alaska.edu writes:
>>In article <1r6b7v$ec5@access.digex.net>, prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
>>> Besides this was the same line of horse puckey the mining companies claimed
>>> when they were told to pay for restoring land after strip mining.
>>===
>>I aint talking the large or even the "mining companies" I am talking the small
>>miners, the people who have themselves and a few employees (if at all).The
>>people who go out every year and set up thier sluice box, and such and do
>>mining the semi-old fashion way.. (okay they use modern methods toa point).
>
>
> Lot's of these small miners are no longer miners. THey are people living
> rent free on Federal land, under the claim of being a miner. The facts are
> many of these people do not sustaint heir income from mining, do not
> often even live their full time, and do fotentimes do a fair bit
> of environmental damage.
>
> These minign statutes were created inthe 1830's-1870's when the west was
> uninhabited and were designed to bring people into the frontier. Times change
> people change. DEAL. you don't have a constitutional right to live off
> the same industry forever. Anyone who claims the have a right to their
> job in particular, is spouting nonsense. THis has been a long term
> federal welfare program, that has outlived it's usefulness.
>
> pat
>
Hum, do you enjoy putting words in my mouth?
Come to Nome and meet some of these miners.. I am not sure how things go down
south in the lower 48 (I used to visit, but), of course to believe the
media/news its going to heck (or just plain crazy).
Well it seems that alot of Unionist types seem to think that having a job is a
right, and not a priviledge. Right to the same job as your forbearers, SEE:
Kennedy's and tel me what you see (and the families they have married into).
There is a reason why many historians and poli-sci types use unionist and
socialist in the same breath.
The miners that I know, are just your average hardworking people who pay there
taxes and earn a living.. But taxes are not the answer. But maybe we could move
this discussion to some more appropriate newsgroup..
==
Michael Adams, nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu -- I'm not high, just jacked
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In article <1993Apr3.004902.25370@scic.intel.com>, sbradley@scic.intel.com (Seth J. Bradley) writes:
>In article <1993Mar31.234354.11694@rambo.atlanta.dg.com> wpr@atlanta.dg.com (Bill Rawlins) writes:
>> You can contradict my inference successfully by showing me
>> an atheist who does not believe in macroevolution.
>
>Fred Hoyle, an astronomer who is often quoted by creationists.
>One point for our side.
See Bill, I told you to brace yourself.
Hey Seth, the way I read it, one point is all we needed. Game's over. But a
little scientific repeatability wouldn't hurt. On the other hand, a telephone
book full of names probably won't change things.
Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouth dakota
| 0alt.atheism
|
In article <C5LLpo.In2@news2.cis.umn.edu> mbuntan@staff.tc.umn.edu () writes:
>Hi all:
>Thanks to you all who have responded
>to my request for info on various kinds of fax modem.
>I'd like to ask a few more questions.
>1. What are the advantages of buying a global village
>Teleport Gold over other cheaper brands like Supra, Zoom etc?
>2. I heard that both Supra and Zoom use the same software.
>Why are there so many complaints about the incompatibility problems
>of Supra? What kind of incompatibility is it?
>3. If I decided to buy the Teleport Gold, is there any
>possibility to add a voice option in the near future?
>4. Has anyone heard of a possible voice option that Supra will offer
>this coming summer?
>5. A person did mention a new AT&T modem. Is it
>getting good reviews from various Mac Magazines?
>6. If I want the best, fastest, most economically sound and
>possible voice option, what fax modem should I buy?
>
>Sorry for posting so many questions, but I think they're necessary.
>I promise to repost any answers if they're not already posted by a responder.
>
>Thanks so much in advance.
>
>Regards,
>
>Thian.
Since I repost this message again for the second time, I hope to hear from
some folks on this topic. Please reply.
Regards,
Thian.
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
I am setting up a video-aid for a computer room for the teacher to share his
display with the class.
I have seen people using video projector, TV sets and large monitor to do
presentations before. I am told that there are three ways to connect video
projector: composite, Y/C & RGB.
Can anyone explain to me the difference and their likely costs?
Please reply to my INETNET E-mail account as well as posting in bulletin:
u129008@sparc20.nuc.edu.tw
I also like to know if there are TELNET or KERMIT for windows.
Tim Chen
| 1comp.graphics
|
Forgive me, but just the other day I read on some newsgroup or other a
physician's posting about the theraputic uses of vitamin B6. I can't
seem to locate the article, but I recall there was mention of some safe
limits.
I looked at a "Balanced 100" time release formulation from Walgreen's
and noted that the 100 mg of B6 was some thousands times the RDA. Is
this safe?!?.
Also what was the condition that B6 was theraputic for?
Mail would be just fine if you don't want to clog the net.
Thanks,
Leon Traister (lmtra@uts.amdahl.com)
| 13sci.med
|
In article <1993Apr17.201310.13693@midway.uchicago.edu> thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>In article <dasmith.734719640@husc.harvard.edu> dasmith@husc8.harvard.edu (
David Smith) writes:>>Granted, the simple fact of holding down a job will
improve these kids' chances>>of getting another job in the future, but what
inner city kid would want to hold>>down just one more minimum wage job when
there is so much more money to be made>>dealing drugs?
>
>What suburban kid would want to hold down a minimum wage job when there is so
>much more money to be made dealing drugs?
>
>Yet, somehow, surburban kids do hold down minimum wage jobs. So do inner
>city kids, when give the chance. Any reason you think that inner city kids
>are incapable of doing legitimate work?
I suppose the correct answer is not "family values"?
S'pose not. Never mind. Sorry.
--King "Sparky" Banaian |"It's almost as though young
kbanaian@pitzer.claremont.edu |white guys get up in the
Dept. of Economics, Pitzer College |morning and have a big smile
Latest 1993 GDP forecast: 2.4% |on their face ... because,
|you know, Homer wrote the
|_Iliad_." -- D'Souza
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
In article <1phnkoINNbk@ctron-news.ctron.com> king@ctron.com (John E. King) writes:
>To: adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters) writes:
>>Funny, there's absolutely nothing in these numbers supporting Jack's
>>implication that "the probability of one protean molecule forming" is
>>less than 10^-50
>
>As I recall the figure for just one of the molecules forming is 1 : 10^-114.
>
>>[lists 5 steps for determining probability of abiogenesis]
>
>Its going to take a little time for me to do this Andy. Hope you'll be
>patient :).
>
>Just so you understand where I am coming from, even though I am a theist,
>I don't totally reject the possibility that this complex creation could have
>just come together on its own. Can I assume you are equally as objective?
>
>Most of my discussions on this net (which has been very little in recent
>years), have been with other theists over doctrinal issues. I have rarely
>ventured into the "origins" arena, because there is so much speculation
>involved. What hard data there is (e.g. DNA "program" that in proper sequences
>tells the cells how to divide and form), tells me that there must have
>been a Designer behind it all.
>
>Nonetheless, I remain open minded. I wonder how many can claim that on
>this net.
This is exactly the type of thing I was talking about before. A creationist
appears on t.o, makes a completely unsupported statement the facts of
which he/she is completely ignorant, is taken to task, and finally replies
with a subtle insult. (actually two insults)
Just to make sure I am being fair let's check a few details. Jack, you don't
know anything about abiogenesis, do you? (this is no sin, I know next to
nothing about it either) I mean, anything other than this "10^50"
probability thing which you got wrong in the first post.
The speculation involved is really your own, isn't it? How much _biology_
do you know, even apart from abiogenesis? Any classes past high school?
Read Chris Colby's FAQ? How much paleontology, geology, etc do you know?
Or are you speculating that its all speculative? Do you have any basis
upon which to imply that to keep an "open mind" one must allow that
the earth, universe, and all the creatures in it could have been created
~10,000 years ago? None of this is intended as a flame. To say that
you don't know a subject is _not_ the same as calling you an idiot. I
don't know _much_ about these areas, but then I am not the one
calling into question all of mainstream science. In other words, where
do you get off calling it speculative unless by this you also mean that
all of physics, chemistry, etc are also speculative in some sense?
You may have, in fact, not been implying that the rejection of creationism
is a sign of close-mindedness, or that the theory of evolution is especially
speculative, in which case I have merely misinterpreted
you. In this case the worst thing you could be accused of is unclear
prose.
>Jack
Scott
smullins@ecn.purdue.edu
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
In article <C5J2qz.MnE@world.std.com> mkaye@world.std.com (Martin Kaye) writes:
>Great interview with Benjamin Netanyahu on CNN - Larry King Live (4/15/93)
>This guy is knows what he is talking about. He is truely charismatic,
>articulate, intelligent, and demonstrates real leadership qualities.
>
I agree -- he looked and sounded very western.
I did not quite follow one thing that he said. He referred to a
ten mile stretch that would remain of Israel if the "occupied"
territories were given away. Is that really true, I mean are the
territories that significant in area or did I get lost in the discussion?
Could someone enlighten me on this?
Regards,
Rasheed.
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
Hi!
I recently purchased the Toshiba 3401 CDROM. I own an Adaptec 1542B
SCSI card, and I have so far failed to get the CDROM to work under DOS. It
works very well under OS/2, so I know that the drive is not faulty.
In my config.sys, I have aspi3dos.sys, aspidisk.sys, aspicd.sys. In my
autoexec.bat, I have MSCDEX, which came with DOS 6.0. MSCDEX seems to find
and install the drive as drive F:, but when I switch to that drive and try a
dir, I get an error message telling me the drive is not ready or something
like that. The CDROM is locked too, and the adaptec utilities don't seem to
recognize that I have a CDROM at that point.
Has anyone ever had this problem? Is there something abvious that I
am missing? And finally, I was wondering if anyone using this setup could
kindly post his/her config.sys and autoexec.bat.
Thank you very much!
*******************************************************************************
* imj1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu Imad "Hexabyte" Jureidini *
* The Ultimate Knight, Grand Priest of the Secrets of the Undefined. *
*******************************************************************************
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
Can someone point me in the direction of any papers (not necessarily
formally conducted studies) discussing how much traffic X apps generate
for the network, particularly in comparison with curses-bases apps
over telnet? Also, does an X server typically buffer up user keyboard
input a line at a time? Can the X client control this, asking for
keystrokes immediately? Thanks in advance for any feedback!
--
/*----------------------------------------------------------------------*/
/* Bob Kline Phoenix Systems, Inc. */
/* bkline@occs.nlm.nih.gov voice: (703) 522-0820 */
/*----------------------------------------------------------------------*/
| 5comp.windows.x
|
In regards to fractal commpression, I have seen 2 fractal compressed "movies".
They were both fairly impressive. The first one was a 64 gray scale "movie" of
Casablanca, it was 1.3MB and had 11 minutes of 13 fps video. It was a little
grainy but not bad at all. The second one I saw was only 3 minutes but it
had 8 bit color with 10fps and measured in at 1.2MB.
I consider the fractal movies a practical thing to explore. But unlike many
other formats out there, you do end up losing resolution. I don't know what
kind of software/hardware was used for creating the "movies" I saw but the guy
that showed them to me said it took 5-15 minutes per frame to generate. But as
I said above playback was 10 or more frames per second. And how else could you
put 11 minutes on one floppy disk?
davidr@rincon.ema.rockwell.com
My opinions are my own except where they are shared by others in which case I
will probably change my mind.
| 1comp.graphics
|
In 1941, while the Jews were being assembled for their doom in the Nazi
concentration camps, the Nazi Armenians in Germany formed the first
Armenian battalion to fight alongside the Nazis. In 1943, this battalion
had grown into eight battalions of 20,000-strong under the command of Dro
(the butcher) who is the architect of the cold-blooded genocide of 2.5
million Turks and Kurds between 1914-1920. An Armenian National Council
was formed by the notorious Dashnak Party leaders in Berlin, which was
recognized by the Nazis. Encouraged by this, the Armenians summarily
formed a provisional government that endorsed and espoused fully the
principles of the Nazis and declared themselves as the members of the
Aryan super race and full participants to Hitler's policy of extermination
of the Jews.
This Armenian-Nazi conspiracy against the Jews during WWII was an "encore"
performance staged by the Armenians during WWI, when they back-stabbed and
exterminated 2.5 million Turks by colluding with the invading Russian army.
Source: "Adventures in the Near East, 1918-1922" by A. Rawlinson,
Jonathan Cape, 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923)
(287 pages).
(Memoirs of a British officer who witnessed the Armenian genocide of 2.5
million Muslim people)
p. 184 (second paragraph)
"I had received further very definite information of horrors that
had been committed by the Armenian soldiery in Kars Plain, and as
I had been able to judge of their want of discipline by their
treatment of my own detached parties, I had wired to Tiflis from
Zivin that 'in the interests of humanity the Armenians should not
be left in independent command of the Moslem population, as, their
troops being without discipline and not under effective control,
atrocities were constantly being committed, for which we should
with justice eventually be held to be morally responsible'."
Serdar Argic
'We closed the roads and mountain passes that
might serve as ways of escape for the Turks
and then proceeded in the work of extermination.'
(Ohanus Appressian - 1919)
'In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists
a single Turkish soul.' (Sahak Melkonian - 1920)
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
> In article <1993Mar29.161044.1@uncavx.unca.edu>, bwillard@uncavx.unca.edu
> wrote:
>>
>> 8. Saab 900 - ignition is on floor!?!
Actually, this started as a great idea. Before steering-column
locks became popular, Saab installed a *gearshift* lock -- put the car
in reverse, remove the key, and the car *stays* in reverse!
Also, suppose you get into your car, and a thug comes up and
demands your keys at gunpoint. You hand them over, he gets in, and
HAS NO IDEA WHERE TO PUT THE KEY! At this, he will run away (or perhaps
shoot you anyway %-}). I heard this actually happened somewhere...
Btw, I hear that the Saab 900's new successor will have the
ignition on the console, between the seats, where it belongs.
%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%\%
___ A laszlo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu
| | {*} Redhead Afficionado Extraordinaire *and*
| | __V__ Little Canadia's Minister of Fine Tobaccos
|_|o_|%%%|0_ Cigaret brands sampled: 55 import/luxury, 17 handrolling
| |
| | These opinions are not necessarily mine (or mine, either).
|_______| -----> Can anyone bum me a .sig?
| 7rec.autos
|
Charlie Brett (cfb@fc.hp.com) wrote:
: You were right the second time, it is KNX. Believe it or not, I also
: listen to KNX in the evenings here in Colorado! It's kind of fun driving
: through the country listening to traffic jams on the 405. Back to your
: original question. Yes, there are sensors just past every on-ramp and
: off-ramp on the freeways. They're the same sensors used at most stoplights
: now (coils in the pavement). You might want to give CalTrans a call or
: even ask Bill Keene (KNX's traffic reporter). I doubt if just anyone can
: get the information, but it would be worth asking just in case you can
: get it.
I seem to remember that they sell the information (and a computer connection)
to anyone willing to pay.
On the subject of the pavement sensors, can anyone tell me more about them?
--
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Christopher Wolf Electrical Engineer cmwolf@mtu.edu
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Remember, even if you win the Rat Race - You're still a rat.
| 12sci.electronics
|
In article <C5K7nK.7tv@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rkoffler@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Bighelmet) writes:
>csc2imd@cabell.vcu.edu (Ian M. Derby) writes:
>
>
>>Since someone brought up sports radio, howabout sportswriting???
>
>I happen to be a big fan of Jayson Stark. He is a baseball writer for the
>Philadelphia Inquirer. Every tuesday he writes a "Week in Review" column.
>He writes about unusual situations that occured during the week. Unusual
>stats. He has a section called "Kinerisms of the Week" which are stupid
>lines by Mets brodcaster Ralph Kiner. Every year he has the LGTGAH contest.
>That stands for "Last guy to get a hit." He also writes for Baseball
>America. That column is sort of a highlights of "Week in Review." If you
>can, check his column out sometime. He might make you laugh.
>
>Rob Koffler
Isn't Stark that idiot who writes in Baseball America? Twice a month he
writes a "Who woulda thunk it" article which is really the same piece
every time. "Who would have thought that [Buddy Biancalana] would have
more home runs than [the Colorado Rockies, Babe Ruth, Omar Vizquel and
Nolan Ryan] COMBINED!" He's an idiot, if it's the same guy.
>
>--
>******************************************************************
>|You live day to day and rkoffler@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu|
>|dream about tomorrow --Don Henley |
>******************************************************************
Andrew
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
In article <WCS.93Apr17034914@rainier.ATT.COM>, wcs@anchor.ho.att.com (Bill Stewart +1-908-949-0705) writes:
|> The Attorney General will procure and utilize encryption devices to
|> the extent needed to preserve the government's ability to conduct
|> lawful electronic surveillance and to fulfill the need for secure
|> law enforcement communications. Further, the Attorney General
|> shall utilize funds from the Department of Justice Asset Forfeiture
|> Super Surplus Fund to effect this purchase.
This is a very curious thing to say. STU-IIIs (NSA-designed secure
telephones cleared for classified traffic) are already readily
available to law enforcement agencies. Word has it they're standard in
every FBI office, for example. Something like several hundred
thousand of these phones exist in all. They are clearly the US government
standard.
So why does the DoJ need to buy new phones that, unlike STU-IIIs, will
not be certified for classified traffic, and in all likelihood will
not be compatible with existing STU-IIIs?
Unless, of course, they're gearing up for large scale decryption of
civilian Clipper users, and they need compatible hardware...
Phil
| 11sci.crypt
|
In article <Cohen-150493082611@q5022531.mdc.com> Andy Cohen,
Cohen@ssdgwy.mdc.com writes:
> I just uploaded "DCXart2.GIF" to bongo.cc.utexas.edu...after Chris Johnson
> moves it, it'll probably be in pub/delta-clipper.
Thanks again Andy.
The image is in pub/delta-clipper now. The name has been changed to
"dcx-artists-concept.gif" in the spirit of verboseness. :-)
----Chris
Chris W. Johnson
Internet: chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu
UUCP: {husc6|uunet}!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!chrisj
CompuServe: >INTERNET:chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu
AppleLink: chrisj@emx.cc.utexas.edu@internet#
...wishing the Delta Clipper team success in the upcoming DC-X flight tests.
| 14sci.space
|
In article <7106@npri6.npri.com>, murphy@npri6.npri.com (David P. Murphy)
wrote:
>
>
> >A CNN factiod in the last few months stated that 40% of all the computers
> >in the U.S. are left on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. I don't recall
> >CNN's source.
> >
> >ljones@utkvx.utk.edu (Leslie Jones)
Here's something to add to the discussion:
Newsgroups: misc.activism.progressive
From: "James P. Reynolds" <jpr1@lehigh.edu>
Subject: When you're not using it, turn it off!
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1993 06:50:14 GMT
Lines: 53
Research has shown that the majority of the time that the United
States' 30 to 35 million personal computers are on, they are not
actively being used. In addition, 30 to 40 percent are left running
at night and on weekends.
Computer equipment is now the fastest growing private-sector use
of electricity. Computers alone are believed to account for five
percent of commercial electricity consumption, and may account for
ten percent by the year 2000.
If you are one of those who leave them on after you're done, it
would be a big environmental benefit if you would just TURN IT OFF
when you're not using it. It only takes a second or two to do.
Also, the majority of the power your computer uses is not consumed
by the computer itself, but by the monitor. If you can't turn the
computer off, then please just TURN OFF THE MONITOR.
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has formed an alliance
with computer manufacturers to promote the introduction of energy-
efficient PCs that "power down" automatically when not being used
and thus reduce the air pollution caused by power generation. These
new computers will save enough electricity to power both Vermont and
New Hampshire and save up to 1 billion U.S. dollars in annual
electricity bills. Look for the special EPA "Energy Star" logo when
you buy computers. They should be available in one to two years.
According to the EPA studies, the energy saved will prevent CO2
emissions of 20 million tons annually, the equivalent of five million
automobiles. Also, 140,000 tons of SO2 and 75,000 tons of nitrogen
oxide emissions will be saved; these are the major pollutants
responsible for acid rain.
Please do your part ... be responsible. If you're not using it,
then just TURN IT OFF.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Information herein is partially taken from the 1993 "Information
Please" Almanac, page 573, and the U.S. Envirnomental Protection
Agency's "Environmental News."
Please redistribute this message to every computer bulletin board,
network, memo system, etc. you can think of. Archive it and post
it every so often if you can. Let's get the word out to everyone.
We need to be responsible about the way we consume.
Jim Reynolds
[end]
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
Yes we have the same problem with xinit. The problems seems to come from the
fact that the XOpenDisplay(":0") fails. If we try (on our machine
named godzilla)
setenv DISPLAY godzilla:0.0
Xibm&
xterm
It works fine, but the following will not work
setenv DISPLAY unix:0.0
Xibm&
xterm
Did we set a configuration option incorrectly? Thank you for any assistance
you can offer.
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International Institute for Applied Systems Anaylsis (IIASA)
A-2361 Laxemburg, Austria --- +43 2236 715 21 ext 548
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| 5comp.windows.x
|
A friend of mine has been diagnosed with Psoriatic Arthritis, as a result of
trauma sustained in a car accident several years ago. The psoriasis is under
control but the arthritis part of the illness is not.
Ansaid (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory) worked pretty well for three years but
isn't helping much now. My friend is now taking Meclomen (another NSAID) but
this isn't helping control the pain at all. In the past two months my friend
has also started taking Azulfadine along with the NSAID medicines, but the
effects of the combined drugs aren't supposed to be realized for several months.
As a result of the pain, my friend is having problems sleeping. Staying in
one position too long is an ordeal. Another major contributor to pain is that
tendonitis has now developed (left thumb and hand with numbness at the base of
the palm; bottom of feet; shoulders and outer thighs). The tendonitis is
quite painful yet my friend's doctor has not recommended any form of treatment
to relieve it.
The latest twist is that the doctor has dropped the anti-inflammatories and is
now recommending Prednisone. The hope is that the Prednisone will relieve some
of the pain from the tendonitis.
My friend is a 41 year old male who feels like he's 80 (his words, not mine).
If anyone is aware of any new treatments for Psoriatic Arthritis, alternative
courses of action, support groups or literature on it, I would be extremely
grateful if you could e-mail to me. If anyone is interested, I'll post a
summary to this newsgroup.
thanks in advance,
Donna
dmp@fig.citib.com
| 13sci.med
|
In article <C64t8E.6HB@news.cso.uiuc.edu> jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
(Josh Hopkins) writes:
Could someone explain where these names come from? I'm sure there's a
perfectly good reason to name a planetoid "Smiley," but I'm equally sure
that I don't know what that reason is.
Read John le Carre's "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy", "The Honorable Schoolboy"
or "Smiley's People".
Jan
| 14sci.space
|
But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet
from fear of evil.
Proverbs 1:33
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
Hi,
I am one those uncles that try to please my nephews whenever possible,
so.. they have asked me to find them some Nitendo games, no, it is
not for the super nitendo.. it is for whatever model came prior to
that.
Since they are overseas, I will first ask them if they already have the
games you would have to offer me. Please send me a list, or whatever and
the price you are asking so I can send to my nephews and find out what
they have and what they want.. so bare with me, I will respond, but it
will take me a while.
Thanks,
Walter
walter@psg.com
Please respond directly.
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/ Portland, Oregon USA \
| WALTER T. MORALES 45 31 25 N 122 40 30 W |
| internet: walter@rain.com Pop. 366383 |
| 6misc.forsale
|
In <philC5LqAD.K5u@netcom.com> phil@netcom.com (Phil Ronzone) writes:
|What WILL you do for a religion now that Marxism-Leninism is dead?
Who said it was dead. It seems to be alive and well here on the net.
--
Mob rule isn't any prettier merely because the mob calls itself a government
It ain't charity if you are using someone else's money.
Wilson's theory of relativity: If you go back far enough, we're all related.
Mark.Wilson@AtlantaGA.NCR.com
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
I agree thouroughly!! Screw the damn contractual agreements!
Show the exciting hockey game. They will lose
fans of ESPN (of which I have been one for quite a while) quickly
with decisions like this.
Just my $.02
Chuck "ESPN f***ed up this time" Atwood
atwoodc@csugrad.cs.vt.edu
Virginia Tech Computer Science Department
| 10rec.sport.hockey
|
Hi all!
I've just recently become seriously hooked on POV, but there are a few
thing that I want to do that POV won't do (penumbral shadows, dispersion
etc.). I was just wondering: what other shareware/freeware raytracers are
out there, and what can they do? I've heard of Vivid and Polyray and
Rayshade and so on, but I'd rather no wade through several hundred pages of
manual for each trying to work out what their capabilities are. Can anyone
help? A comparison of tracing speed between each program would also be
mucho useful.
Mark.
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Mark Mackey | Life is a terminal disease and oxygen is
mmackey@aqueous.ml.csiro.au | addictive. Are _you_ hooked?
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| 1comp.graphics
|
In article <30151@ursa.bear.com>, halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat) writes:
>In article <C5snCL.J8o@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters) writes:
>
>>Evolution, as I have said before, is theory _and_ fact. It is exactly
>>the same amount of each as the existence of atoms and the existence of
>>gravity. If you accept the existence of atoms and gravity as fact,
>>then you should also accept the existence of evolution as fact.
>>
>>--
>>--Andy
>
>I don't accept atoms or gravity as fact either. They are extremely useful
>mathematical models to describe physical observations we can make.
>Other posters have aptly explained the atomic model. Gravity, too, is
>very much a theory; no gravity waves have even been detected, but we
>have a very useful model that describes much of the behavior on
>objects by this thing we _call_ gravity. Gravity, however, is _not_
>a fact. It is a theoretical model used to talk about how objects
>behave in our physical environment. Newton thought gravity was a
>simple vector force; Einstein a wave. Both are very useful models that
>have no religious overtones or requirements of faith, unless of course you
>want to demand that it is a factual physical entity described exactly
>the way the theory now formulated talks about it. That takes a great
>leap of faith, which, of course, is what religion takes. Evolution
>is no different.
>
>--
> jim halat halat@bear.com
Are you serious?!!! Here's an exercise next time you are in the barnyard.
Take *your* model and hold it directly above a fresh cowpie. Then release the
model. You will observe that on its own *your* model will assume a trajectory
earthward and come to rest exactly where it belongs. Watch out for splatters,
particularly if you are wearing shorts when you perform this experiment.
Rich Fox, Anthro, Usouthdakota
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
I am looking for publically accessible sources of data depicting brain
and neuron functions. Especially interesting would be volumetric data from
brain scans, electromicographs, and so forth. Please email me and let me know
if you know of such.
--------------------------------------------------------
The HumBio Project is a CD-ROM-based curriculum tool for sixth-, seventh-, and
eigth-graders, studying the function of the human brain and the effects of
neurotransmitters, alcohol, and drugs. The will be a special focus in depicting
the effects of neurotransmitters on behavior.
Volotta Interactive Video is producing this project for Stanford Univers
ity.
We are currently in a pre-production phase and we are looking for data sets and
visualizations depicting brain function on the whole brain, neuron and molecular
levels. We intend to use state-of-the-art visualization tools to render
instructive visualizations from two-, three-, and four-dimensional data sets as
well as using already-completed visualizations to their best effect.
| 13sci.med
|
You can't call time when there's a play in progress.
Ryan Robbins
Penobscot Hall
University of Maine
IO20456@Maine.Maine.Edu
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
There is a file at the simtel archives called adda10.zip I think that
is for DSP.
| 12sci.electronics
|
Hello Motif World,
a few days ago I posted my announcement for an update of Motif++. I got
several requests to send the bindings per e-mail, and I know of several people
who have been using Motif++, and there are probably a number of people I am
not aware of who are also using Motif++.
My question is:
How many people 'out there' would be interested to join a mailing-list, where
people can ask questions about Motif++, swap stories, and give new ideas about
new directions and improvements for the bindings. This would benefit the
user-community, as well as give me more insight in what people would like to
see added to Motif++. Motif++ is still very much a voluntary project, and this
way I can make a list of priorities, in what order things should be added, or
changed.
If you're interested in joining such a mailing-list, please take the time to
reply to this message, and tell me so. When there is sufficient interest, say
about 20 people or more, a mailing-list will be set up at my site, and I will
post the announcement of the newly-created list to this and other newsgroups.
--
Ronald van Loon | In theory, there is no difference
(rvloon@cv.ruu.nl) | between theory and practice.
3DCV Group, Utrecht |
The Netherlands | In practice however, there is.
| 5comp.windows.x
|
In article <1r9bfc$bm1@eagle.natinst.com> chrisb@natinst.com (Chris Bartz)
writes:
> In article <1r8vg9$rl5@bigboote.WPI.EDU> mfrhein@wpi.WPI.EDU (Michael
Frederick Rhein) writes:
> >># >napalm, then let the wood stove inside ignite it.
> >
> >for heating purposes because of the weather in Texas. Everyone now claims
> >that it was for cooking. Stop and think about this.
>
> This whole thread is rediculous. Who cares if they had a stove going
> or not. Does it matter if they had a stove burning, or lanterns
> burning, or candles burning, or someone smoking, etc, etc, etc. The
> premise is that the FBI was filling the house with napalm so that it
> would catch fire. This is crazy. FBI was NOT PUMPING NAPALM into the
> Davidians home. You will have to have pretty damn strong evidence to
> convince me of that.
>
> I can believe mass suicide/murder by Koresh. I can believe an
> accident by the Davidians. I can believe an accident by the FBI. I
> can easily believe mass stupidity on all sides but I can not believe
> that the FBI lit this fire intentionally. No way.
>
I tend to agree, but I would like a better explanation of why the FBI stopped
the firetrucks at the gate. I saw this in realtime. It concerns me that the
FBI "appeared" to not be too interested in stopping the fire after it started,
and actually started flying hueys around the compound, which had to add in some
small part to the winds driving the fire.
> --
> -- chris bartz (chrisb@natinst.com)
Jim
--
jmd@handheld.com
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
"I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought
that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed
in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"
WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
I've been offerred an old 4-bits/pixel greyscale Xterminal. Aside from the
"real people have already upgraded to RISC architecture R5 servers", do I want
this Xterminal?
I'm concerned about the 4-planes...I've only ever heard of 1 (mono) and 8
(colour) planes -- will I have any concerns with this 4-plane unit?
[Specifically related to 4-planes vs 1 or 8]
Thanks!
-C-
PS: all R5 apps run on R4/R3 servers,right?
| 5comp.windows.x
|
I have a MOSFET pulled out of a Trygon power supply, for which I have no
manual. It's a Motorola part with a 1972 date code and the number
285-4
which the Motorola folks assure me is a house number, which they can't
help me with. Any suggestions from folks out there? I can't put it on
a curve tracer to try to get an equivalent, since it's completely shot.
--scott
| 12sci.electronics
|
In article <C5JoBH.7zt@apollo.hp.com> goykhman@apollo.hp.com (Red Herring) writ
es:
>In article <1993Apr14.122758.11467@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> jlinder@magnus.a
cs.ohio-state.edu (Jeffrey S Linder) writes:
>>In article <C5FJsL.6Is@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM> mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR
.C
>>OM (Mark Wilson) writes:
>>>On the news last night Clinton was bashing the republicans for stonewalling
>>>his so called stimulus package.
>>>It seems that one small item within this package was going to pay for free
>>>immunizations for poor kids.
>>
>>Immunizations for children in this country are already free if you care to
>>go have it done. The problem is not the cost, it is the irresponible parents
>>who are to stupid or to lazy to have it done.
>
> In case you haven't noticed, Clintonites are pushing a universal health
> care ACCESS program. "Access" here means that folks who do not give
> a damn about immunizing their children will have health care services
> delivered to their doorsteps.
>
>
Excuse me for sticking my nose in, but any parent/parents who do not allready
immunize their children (especially if it is already free), don't deserve one
frigging dime of tax money for health care for themselves, or public health
care service.
(I know the immunization program and the coming national health care issue are
slightly seperate issues, but anybody who wouldn't help their kids, don't
deserve my tax help).
ryan
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
buck@HQ.Ileaf.COM (David Buchholz x3252) writes:
>I'm looking for any leads to the source of a good Windows
>Meta File converter or interpreter. I need this for use
>outside the Windows environment. PD sources preferred, but
>not a requirement. Please reply to the address below.
On a related topic, I have been searching (with no success)
for a specification of the Enhanced Metafile format. I have
the original WMF format (Graphics File Formats, Levine et al),
but no info on the 32 bit version.
Any pointers ?
--
Eric W. Sink, Spyglass | "In all the earth, only humans have the ability
1800 Woodfield Drive | to be content in bad situations...
Savoy, IL 61826 | and vice-versa."
---- e-sink@uiuc.edu ---------|---------- 217-355-6000 -----------------------
| 1comp.graphics
|
In article <15378@optilink.com> cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
>
>
>From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2:
>
> Male sex survey: Gay activity low
>
> A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the most thorough
> examination of American men's sexual practices published since
> the Kinsey report more than four decades ago, shows about 2
> percent of the men surveyed had engaged in homosexual sex and
> 1 percent considered themselves exclusively homosexual.
>
> The figures on homosexuality in the study released Wednesday
> by the Alan Guttmacher Institute are significantly lower than
> the 10 percent figure that has been part of the conventional
> wisdom since it was published in the Kinsey report.
1) So what?
2) It will be interesting to see the reaction when 2.5million queers
gather in Washington DC. After all if there are only 6million of
us then this is an event unprecidented in history...
>The article also contains numbers on the number of sexual partners.
>The median number of sexual partners for all men 20-39 was 7.3.
Don't forget that 25% had 20 or more partners....
>Compared to the table I have already posted from Masters, Johnson,
>and Kolodny showing male homosexual partners, it is apparent that
>homosexual men are dramatically more promiscuous than the general
>male population.
And what did this study show for number of sexual contacts for those
who said they where homosexual? Or is that number to inconvient for
you....
>It's a shame that we don't have a breakdown for
>straight men vs. gay/bi men -- that would show even more dramatically
>how much more promiscuous gay/bi men are.
Fuck off
--
------ Join the Pythagorean Reform Church! .
\ / Repent of your evil irrational numbers . .
\ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . .
\/ Call the Pythagorean Reform Church BBS at 508-793-9568 . . . .
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
Anyone have the AL individual stats or where i can find them?
K-->
| 9rec.sport.baseball
|
Paul Repacholi (zrepachol@cc.curtin.edu.au) wrote:
: PS The first posting I saw I thought was a joke in *VERY* bad taste. My appologies
: to the person who broke the news.
For what it's worth...
Clipper Chip Announcement (clipper@csrc.ncsl.nist.gov) wrote:
: Note: This file will also be available via anonymous file
: transfer from csrc.ncsl.nist.gov in directory /pub/nistnews and
: via the NIST Computer Security BBS at 301-948-5717.
: ---------------------------------------------------
:
: THE WHITE HOUSE
:
I haven't been able to open an ftp session with that machine.
Operating under the assumption that the address was wrong, I tried using
nslookup and nicname/whois...
> ls nist.gov
[nnsc.nsf.net]
Host or domain name Internet address
[...]
ncsl server = mail-gw.ncsl.nist.gov
mail-gw.ncsl 129.6.48.199
ncsl server = dove.nist.gov
ncsl server = ecf.ncsl.nist.gov
ecf.ncsl 129.6.48.2
ncsl server = enh.nist.gov
ncsl server = SUNMGR.NCSL.NIST.GOV
SUNMGR.NCSL 129.6.48.12
[...]
That's all I could find about the ncsl domain...oh, and I tried an MX lookup
on the machine in question, which failed. Nicname/whois domain lookups at
both registries failed, too.
So I thought, "hey, I'm just not using the tools right" and tried calling
the BBS number -- no answer.
I'm probably doing something wrong...or, perhaps, the machine has been put
behind a firewall. But it does look like csrc.ncsl.nist.gov has become an
un-machine. If someone would try ftp'ing to it, or knows what's up, I'd
really appreciate the info.
Scott Doty <sdoty@odie.santarosa.edu>
| 11sci.crypt
|
From article <1993Apr20.210651.5687@gn.ecn.purdue.edu>, by mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (John P. Mechalas):
>>Although I'm an atheist, the events in Waco have really sickened me. It's
>>truely a sad day for religious freedom in this country. The Branch
>>Dividians may have been nutty (my general opinion of all religious people),
>>but tax evasion and illegal possesion of firearms are certainly not grounds
>>for destroying a people.
>
> Excuse me? WHO destroyed the BD's? Last I knew, they burned themselves...
> Prove to me that the FBI, ATF, or the Government in general either burned
> the compound themselves, or that the BD's had no choice but to commit
> mass suicide rather than coming out peacefully (a promise that was made
> twice by Koresh himself, which he broke both times).
At this point in time we don't who destroyed the BDs. Maybe it was the
government; maybe it was Koresh. I wouldn't immediately rule out the
government just because the FBI said that a couple of cult members
torched Koresh's wood-frame house. I think that the credibility of the
FBI and the cigarette cops is questionable at best; at worst they are
bald-faced liers. I read in a newspaper today that one of the BDs that
survived the fire said that one of the tanks that crashed through their
wood-frame house knocked over a lantern which later on caused the
compound to errupt in flames. Also, I have heard that one of the cult
members who earlier said that he and another individual started the fire
is no longer claiming that he did it. Moreover, he and possibly the
other person may not have even really said that they did it in the
first place---we only have the FBI's WORD ON THIS. I'll believe it when
I hear from a cult member's own mouth and not before then.
The FBI claims that they saw two cult members starting the fire. They
claimed that the two were clad in black clothing and were wearing gas
masks. Hmmm... Sounds like they might have been describing an ATF
agent to me. Weren't the cigarette cops wearing black? Note: this
is just speculation on my part. Still, it is something to think about.
Here's something else to ponder upon: the two agents that were planted
in the compound might have done something to start that fire. I don't
know if they did it deliberately or not---if they did at all---but I
would like to see statements from these two agents on the events that
transpired during that day. I think that they would be rather
enlightening don't you think? They were inside the compound so they
ought to have a real good idea of what went on in there. Of course if
they did help burn down the house then I doubt that they would be
very forthcoming with any information.
The FBI also mentioned that fire errupted in multiple locations in the
compound. They *may* have said this so that people might be more
likely to be convinced that the BDs started the fire. However,
consider that if the FBI did light-up that house would they admit to
it? I think not. Imagine the public outrage that would ensue if
people discovered that the FBI killed 86 people. Obviously, the FBI
would do its best to suppress the truth and make people think the BDs
started the fire. Fire can spread in unusual ways in a wood house---
fires burning in more than one location in a house isn't inconsistent
with a house fire. The tear gas cannisters---which do produce heat
despite what you may have been told by the media---may have contributed
to starting the blaze. Also, it was very windy on the day of the
fire. Flames and burning debri might have floated over to parts of
the house that weren't already on fire. Like I said the verdict isn't
in yet. The FBI may very well be guilty of a holocaust.
> --
> John Mechalas "I'm not an actor, but
> mechalas@gn.ecn.purdue.edu I play one on TV."
> Aero Engineering, Purdue University #include disclaimer.h
Scott Kennedy, Brewer and Patriot
Before: "David Koresh is a cheap thug who interprets
the Bible through the barrel of a gun..." --ATF spokesman
After: "[The ATF] is a cheap thug who interprets
[the Constitution] through the barrel of a gun..." --Me
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
ytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Yih-Tyng Wu) writes:
>Hello,
> I just got some SIMMs, at least one of which does not work. I don't know if
>there is a software that can test SIMMs thoroughly or I could just rely on the
>RAM test performed by my computer during the start up. When I installed a dead
>SIMM into an LC or an LC II, there would be a strange music and no display on
>the screen. Why? I need your help! Thanks in advance
>Yih-Tyng
>ytwu@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
There is a shareware ramchecker that I think is called ramcheck. it is
available at most ftp sites such as umich and sumex.
-Terry
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
In article <C5r4ur.D0r@ulowell.ulowell.edu> mcook@cs.ulowell.edu (Michael Cook) writes:
>
>I just bought a Western Digital/Caviar 340MB IDE drive and I want to add it to
>my system which already has a WD120 IDE drive. The controller says it
>supports 2 hard drives, but when I plug in the cables, do the BIOS setup,
>and try to start the system, it pauses and then I get an invalid drive D:
>error message. The system boots, but I cannot access the new hard drive.
>
>The new drive works fine as drive C if it's all alone, but I am not able to
>get both drives working at the same time.
>
>Any help is appreciated.
>
>Thanks,
>Mike
>
You need to run FDISK.
Eric.
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
In article <1993Apr14.183025.29688@sco.com>, allanh@sco.COM (Allan J. Heim) writes:
>
> papresco@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Paul Prescod):
>
> >Drugs are banned, please tell me when this supply will dry up?
>
> Drugs are easier to manufacture, easier to smuggle, easier to hide.
> No comparison.
>
> Then let's use another example--alcoholic beverages. Bottles of whiskey
> are larger, heavier, and more fragile than bags of drugs. Barrels and
> kegs are larger and heavier still, and are difficult to manipulate.
> Yet, a lot of people managed to get very rich off of the smuggling of
> booze into this country during the years of Prohibition. There was a
> demand, so an entire industry formed to supply it.
If alcohol were again banned today, it would be MUCH more
difficult to manage a large-scale smuggling operation.
The cops now rank just a narrow notch below the military
in communications, intelligence gathering and firepower.
In a similar vein, the amount of marijuana smuggled into
this country has greatly decreased. This is because its
value-per-pound is very low when compared to cocaine or
heroin. It's simply not worth the risk, it's uneconomical.
Now, most reefer is domestic. There is less pressure on
the domestic producer (showy raids notwithstanding) and
thus it is economical. Of note though ... domestic reefer
is now very strong, so a small volume goes a long way.
You cannot make alcohol stronger than 200 proof - not a
good dollar/pound deal.
Firearms tend to fall into this low dollar/pound area.
It would not be economic to smuggle them in. All production
would have to be local. There are not all that many people
who have both the skill AND motivation to assemble worthwhile
firearms from scratch. High-ranking crime figures could
obtain imported Uzis and such, but the average person, and
average thug, would be lucky to get a zip-gun - and would
pay through the nose for it.
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
In article <1993Mar30.191157.8338@synapse.bms.com> hambidge@bms.com writes:
>In article <93088.191742U23590@uicvm.uic.edu>, <U23590@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:
>>What is a CCW
>Acronym for Concealed Carrying of Weapon; basically, a permit to carry
>a concealed pistol or revolver.
I phoned Licensing Division in Washington State to ask for an application
for a CCW. Instead they promptly sent me an applicationfor becoming a
firearms dealer in Washington!
They even sent me a firearms safety pamphlet.
-Case Kim
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
st922957@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
:
:Y'know, when the right to bear arms was "invented", all we had to worry
:about was the shotgun and pistol. Now, we have to worry about drive-bys
:with Uzis sparaying the entire neighborhood with bullets.
Aside from the fact that you will be flamed up one side and down the other
for suggesting that the RKBA was "invented" rather than merely recognized,
your assertion merely reinforces the knowledge that RKBA must be maintained
so that we, the People, can protect our own neighborhoods. The police
certainly aren't doing it. How long did it take the DC police to catch
that drive-by shotgunner (note that he wasn't using an Uzi, but one of
those shotguns you claim we needed to worry about back then)? I believe
there were eleven attacks before the police ever caught a suspect....
:Just because someting was good once, does not mean it will be forever.
Yes, gone are the days when you can leave your house unlocked at night.
Well, it couldn't last forever.
Mike Ruff
--
- This above all, to thine own S T R I D E R mikey@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
- self be true. --Polonius * * ***** ** * * **** ***** *** * *
Those who would sacrifice essential * * * * * * * * * * ** *
liberties for a little temporary * * * **** * * **** * * * * *
safety deserve neither liberty * * * * * * * * * * * **
nor safety. --B. Franklin **** * * * **** **** * *** * *
| 19talk.religion.misc
|
cjhs@minster.york.ac.uk wrote:
: Help: I am running some sample problems from O'Reilly volume 4,
: Xt Intrisics Programming Manual, chapter 3. popup
: dialog boxes and so on.
:
: In example 3.5, page 76 : "Creating a pop-up dialog box"
:
: The application creates window with a button "Quit" and "Press me".
: The button "Press me" pops up a dialog box. The strange feature of
: this program is that it always pops up the dialog box much faster the
: first time. If I try to pop it up a 2nd time (3rd, 4th .... time),
: it is *much* slower.
:
: Has anyone any experience with these sample programs, or why I get
: this behaviour - fast response time for the first time but slow response
: time from 2nd time onwards ?
: Anyone can give me some ideas on how to program popups so that each time
: they popup in reasonable fast response time ?
:
: Thankyou - Shirley
Thanks to those who responded.
We were able to prevent this behaviour by two methods:
1) running twm rather than olwm
2) keeping olwm, but putting "wmTimeout: 10" in the resources
It has been suggested that the difficuty was something to do with the
window manager positioning the popup window. Any guru who can analyse
what is going on from this information, please post and let us know.
Thanks -- Shirley
| 5comp.windows.x
|
In article <1993Apr15.093957.1213@hsh.com>, paul@hsh.com (Paul Havemann) writes:
> In article <1993Apr13.122543.1682@hemlock.cray.com>, rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes:
> >
> > In article <C5E2JA.849@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM>, mwilson@ncratl.AtlantaGA.NCR.COM (Mark Wilson) writes:
> >> This past Thursday VP GOre threw out the first ball at the home opener for
> >> the Atlanta Braves. According to the news reports he was quite loudly booed.
> >> (No, Dr. Norman, these were not your typical beer swilling red-necks.)
> >>
> >> Personally I wouldn't have paid any more attention to the incident except
> >> that the evening news when describing the event, went on to comment that
> >> being booed was nothing unusual since it was normal for audiences to
> >> boo at this point since the celebrity was delaying the start of the game.
> >>
> >> What a bunch of crock. I have never heard of any incident in which the
> >> thrower of the ceremonial ball has been booed before.
> >
> > Dan Quayle got roundly booed in Milwaulkee last year. (I was listening
> > on the radio). This was the game that Quayle told the Brewers players that
> > he would like to see them play the Orioles in the ALCS.
>
> It's come to this, has it? Defending Al Gore by comparing him to Dan Quayle?
Who compared Quayle to Gore? Mark said he had never heard of any incident
in which the thrower of the ceremonial ball had been booed before. I mentioned
another incident. (And if the media had a liberal bias, I'm sure he would
have heard of the Quayle incident.)
If I was to compare Quayle to anyone, it most likely would be Elmer Fudd.
> I'd say that about says it all... back to the pit with ye, back to alt.fan.
> dan-quayle! Begone!
--
Russ Anderson | Disclaimer: Any statements are my own and do not reflect
------------------ upon my employer or anyone else. (c) 1993
EX-Twins' Jack Morris, 10 innings pitched, 0 runs (World Series MVP!)
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
I would like to sell my dot matrix printer so I can upgrade to inkjet.
It is a "Panasonic KX-P1124 24 pin Multi-Mode Printer". Here are the
stats (from memory and the manual):
- 360x360 dot-printing for hi-res graphics, etc.
- VERY fast (up to 192 cps) printing in "printer-controlled" (as
opposed to Windows driver-controlled) printing
- Bidirectional printing for faster processing speed
- 5 fonts ("courier","prestige","bold ps","script","sans serif")
- Epson LQ-2500 and IBM Proprinter X24 printer emulation
- Can accept single sheets, envelopes, and 3 non-carbon copies by
friction feed
- Front or bottom paper feed
- 6KB buffer
I will send a sample document and a printed GIF/JPEG file to anyone
who wishes to send a SASE. With purchase (prepaid, please!), I will
include the following accessories:
- Manual
- cable (Centronics)
- remaining stack of tractor-fed paper (about .4")
- FREE copy of Windows printer driver (unless this is illegal, or if
it is included with Windows)
- FREE unregistered DOS shareware program ($2 registration, I think)
that apparently offers some word processing capabilities
from DOS
The last two will be on a disk (either size). I am asking for around
$165, but I am open to any (reasonable) offers. I am a college
student, so I cannot afford to buy a new printer without getting a
considerable portion of the money from this printer. This price
includes all above items, and shipping (probably UPS) is included as
well. I have the original box, but only one of the original Styrofoam
end pieces. I will use a towel on the other end (you get a free towel
too!!). Worked fine getting it here. The whole shebang might not fit
in the original box; I will figure this out after the offers come in.
Email any questions and offers. -Jon.
--
jmatkins@midway.uchicago.edu | jmatkins@ellis.uchicago.edu
| 6misc.forsale
|
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In article <1pii04INNk6t@zephyr.grace.cri.nz> you write:
> Whats required to get onto the ACCESS bus? The nice thing about the
> i2c is that most i/o requires one 8 ... 16 pin DIL chip, ie its cheap
> and easy. Anyone can design a bus, trouble is most buses require a
> host of interface chips and often on-board intelligence.
Bruce,
For the latest information on Access.Bus call the Access.Bus
Industry Group at (408) 991-3517. Also, Sun will be hosting the next
meeting of the group on April 19th, here in Mountain View. For some reason
I am not able to post to any newsgroups today, so please feel free to pass
this information on yourself as you see fit.
Andrew MacRae
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In article <Apr.13.00.08.35.1993.28412@athos.rutgers.edu> caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes:
>vbv@r2d2.eeap.cwru.edu (Virgilio (Dean) B. Velasco Jr.) writes:
>>In article <Apr.10.05.32.29.1993.14388@athos.rutgers.edu> caralv@caralv.auto-trol.com (Carol Alvin) writes:
>> > ...
>> >
>> >Are all truths also absolutes?
>> >Is all of scripture truths (and therefore absolutes)?
>> >
>> The answer to both questions is yes.
>
>Perhaps we have different definitions of absolute then. To me,
>an absolute is something that is constant across time, culture,
>situations, etc. True in every instance possible. Do you agree
>with this definition? I think you do:
>
>> Similarly, all truth is absolute. Indeed, a non-absolute truth is a
>> contradiction in terms. When is something absolute? When it is always
>> true. Obviously, if a "truth" is not always "true" then we have a
>> contradiction in terms.
I agree with Carol here. Determining absolutes is, practically speaking, a
waste of time. And we easily forget that relative truth is, in fact relative.
For example, I recently was asking some children the question "What temperature
does water boil at?" I got the answer 212 degrees consistently. I asked
if they knew what scale, and was told "It's just 212 degrees. Any scale.
That's what all thermometers say." Well, that's sincere, and may be
true in the experience of the speaker, but it is simply wrong. IT is NOT
an absolute truth. Similarly, Scripture is full of Truth, which we should
nurture and cherish, but trying to determine which parts are Absolute Truth
and which parts are the manifestations of that in the context of the time
and culture in which the text was penned is missing the point. Then religion
easily becomes an intellectual head-trip, devoid of the living experience of
the indwelling Trinity and becomes dead scholasticism, IMO.
[example of head-covering in Church deleted]
This was a good example. There may be an Absolute Truth behind the
writing, but the simplest understanding of the passage is that the
instructions apply to the Corinthians, and not necessarily elsewhere.
The instructions may reflect Absolute Truth in the context of first
century culture and the particular climate at Corinth, which was having
a LOT of trouble with order. Is it Absolute Truth to me? No. And I
see no compelling, or even reasonable, reason that it should be.
>Evangelicals are clearly not taking this particular part of scripture
>to be absolute truth. (And there are plenty of other examples.)
>Can you reconcile this?
Even the most die-hard literalists do not take all of the Bible literally.
I've yet to meet anyone who takes the verse "blessed is he who takes your
babies and smashes their heads against the rocks" literally. The Bible
was not printed or handed to us by God with color codings to tell us
what parts should be interpreted which way.
>> Many people claim that there are no absolutes in the world. Such a
>> statement is terribly self-contradictory. Let me put it to you this
>> way. If there are no absolutes, shouldn't we conclude that the statement,
>> "There are no absolutes" is not absolutely true? Obviously, we have a
>> contradiction here.
>
>I don't claim that there are *no* absolutes. I think there are very
>few, though, and determining absolutes is difficult.
I agree. Very few. And even if we knew them, personally, we may not be
able to express that in a way that still conveys Absolute Truth to another.
The presence of absence of Absolutes may not make any difference, since I
know I can never fully apprehend an Absolute if it walks up and greets me.
>
>> >There is hardly consensus, even in evangelical
>> >Christianity (not to mention the rest of Christianity) regarding
>> >Biblical interpretation.
>>
>> So? People sometimes disagree about what is true. This does not negate
>> the fact, however, that there are still absolutes in the universe.
I can't prove the existence of absolutes. I can only rely upon MY experience.
I also trust God's revelation that WE cannot fully comprehend the infinite.
Therefore we can't comprehend the Absolutes. So I don't need them.
I can never know the essence of God, only the energies by and through which
God is manifested to God's creation. So the reality can be that there ARE
absolutes, but it is of no practical importance. It's like claiming that the
original scriptural autographs were perfect, but copies may not be. Swell.
Who cares? It doesn't affect me in any practical useful way. I might as
well believe that God has made a lot of electric blue chickens, and that they
live on Mars. Maybe God did. So what? Is that going to have ANY effect on
how I deal with my neighbor, or God? Whether or not I go to this or that
cafeteria for lunch? No.
This attitude leads many non-Christians to believe that ALL Christians
are arrogant idiots incapable of critical reasoning. Christianity is true,
wonderful and sensible. It appeals to Reason, since Reason is an inner
reflection of the Logos of God. Explanations that violate that simply
appear to be insecure authoritarian responses to a complex world.
NOTE: I'm NOT claiming there is no place for authority. That'd be silly.
There IS a world of difference between authoritative and authoritarian.
Authoritative is en expression of authority that respects others.
Authoritarian is en expression of authority that fails to do that,
and is generally agressive. Good parents (like God) are authoritative.
Many Christians are simply authoritarian, and, not surprisingly, few
adults respond to this treatment.
Larry Overacker (llo@shell.com)
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Lawrence Overacker
Shell Oil Company, Information Center Houston, TX (713) 245-2965
llo@shell.com
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In article <1993Apr15.035406.29988@rd.hydro.on.ca> jlevine@rd.hydro.on.ca (Jody Levine) writes:
impertinent stuff deleted
>
>Am I showing my Canadian University-ness here, of does anyone else know
>what I'm talking about?
>
>I've bike like | Jody Levine DoD #275 kV
> got a you can if you -PF | Jody.P.Levine@hydro.on.ca
> ride it | Toronto, Ontario, Canada
There you go again, you edu-breath poser! "University-ness" indeed!
Leave that stuff to us professionals.
Henry Prange biker/professional edu-breath
Physiology/IU Sch. Med., Blgtn., 47405
DoD #0821; BMWMOA #11522; GSI #215
ride = '92 R100GS; '91 RX-7 conv = cage/2; '91 Explorer = cage*2
The unifying trait of our species is the relentless pursuit of folly.
Hypocrisy is the only national religion of this country.
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In article <1993Apr23.233509.4739@dsd.es.com> bgardner@bambam.es.com (Blaine Gardner) writes:
>In article <BONG-230493121730@kfp-slac-mac.slac.stanford.edu> BONG@slac.
stanford.edu (Eric Bong) writes:>>In article <C5y8Gp.1An@cbnews.cb.att.com>,
nak@cbnews.cb.att.com>>(neil.a.kirby) wrote:
>> A bicycling technique I've
>>employed was to use my frame mounted tire pump to fend off dog
>>attacks.
I have a bayonet in the factory scabbard from a Swedish Mouser mounted to
the handlebars of my Zuki'. That 10" blade and my long arms do quite well
thank you.
----===== DoD #8177 = Technician(Dr. Speed) .NOT. Student =====----
Stolen Taglines...
HEY! Where did they go?
You don't think .... naahh.
| 8rec.motorcycles
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I want to add link encryption to a module that multiplexes upper
level routines into a single data link. The upper levels won't know
about this, and thus key exchange shall only need to occur once (at
the initial link establishment). I figure that I can do this with
DES and a Diffie-Hellman key exchange.
Is using a Diffie-Hellman exchange to establish a 64 bit DES key
acceptable, in other words, what are the pro's and con's of such a
setup? Are there any important issues to watch out for (aside from
filtering out unacceptable keys)?
And in order to achieve this, I guess I will need to use 64bit math
routines (for probable prime number calculation, exponentiation etc),
so could someone point me towards a good package (this is strictly
non-commercial).
Matthew.
--
matt%consent@uts.EDU.AU -
'The power of one man seems like a small squirt ...' -- tDHoH
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Two years ago Mark Messier appeared on David Letterman the summer he signed wit
h the Rangers. I remember he and Mike Gartner taking slapshots at the camera,
one finally was a bullseye and the screen went blank. It was funny if you saw
it, I guess.
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Hello All,
I'd like to learn how to keep score when I watch ball
games using official scoring methods. Where can I get
scoresheets and instructions on how to use them?
I appreciate it,
Mike
========================== | Hofstadter's Law: It always takes
Michael Wilson | longer than you think, even if you
idoy@crux1.cit.cornell.edu | take into account Hofstadter's Law.
========================== | -- Douglas Hofstadter
| 9rec.sport.baseball
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In article <C5K1CE.51A@sunfish.usd.edu>, vkub@charlie.usd.edu (Vince Kub) writes:
|> Now,
|> the original scheme as suggested here would be to have the key disappear if
|> certain threatening conditions are met. Once the key is gone there is no
|> question of Contempt of Court as there is nothing to compell, the key is no
|> longer there to be produced.
Getting rid of the keys is actually pretty easy to do automatically on
a communications link, as opposed to storage where the keys have to be
retained somehow as long as the owner wants to be able to retrieve the
data.
The right way to do communications security is to generate a random
session key with Diffie Hellman, use it for a while and then destroy
it. Once it's gone, there's no getting it back, and no way to decrypt
recordings of the conversation.
To make sure you aren't being attacked by a man in the middle, you
have to authenticate your DH exchanges. The AT&T secure phone does
this by displaying the DH key so you can compare them verbally over
the phone. This is nice and simple, but it relies on user awareness
plus the inability of the man in the middle to duplicate the users'
voices.
A better way is to authenticate the exchanges with RSA. Since you'd
never use RSA for actual encryption, compromising your RSA secret key
would only allow someone to impersonate you in a future conversation,
and even that only until you revoke your public key. They would still
not be able to decrypt recordings of prior conversations for which the
session keys have been destroyed.
I'm convinced that this is how the government's own secure phones
(the STU-III) must work. Neat, eh?
Phil
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Accounts of Anti-Armenian Human Right Violations in Azerbaijan #012
Prelude to Current Events in Nagorno-Karabakh
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| |
| I saw a naked girl with her hair down. They were |
| dragging her. She kept falling because they were |
| pushing her and kicking her. She fell down, it was |
| muddy there, and later other witnesses who saw it from |
| their balconies told us, they seized her by the hair |
| and dragged her a couple of blocks, as far as the |
| mortgage bank, that's a good block and a half or two |
| from here. I know this for sure because I saw it |
| myself. |
| |
+---------------------------------------------------------+
DEPOSITION OF TATYANA MIKHAILOVNA ARUTUNIAN (NEZHINTSEVA)
Born 1932
Train Conductor
Azerbaijani Railroad
Resident at Building 13/15, Apartment 27
Microdistrict No. 3
Sumgait [Azerbaijan]
I hadn't lived very long in Sumgait, only eight years. I moved there from
Novosibirsk. My son entered the Baku Nautical School, and so I transferred
to Azerbaijan. Later I met someone and married him, and now my name is
Arutunian, my husband's name . . .
That there would be a massacre was not discussed openly, but there were hints
and gibes, so to speak, at the Armenian people, and they were mocking the
Russians, too. I was constantly aware of it at work, and not just this past
year. I couldn't find a definite place for myself in the pool at work because
I, I'll just say it, couldn't steal, couldn't deceive, and couldn't be
involved in bribe-taking. And when I asked for decent working conditions they
told me, "Leave, don't keep the others from working, you aren't cut out for
this kind of work." And at work and around all the time I would hear gibes at
the Armenians, like "The Turks had it right, they killed them all--the way
they've multiplied here they're making it hard for us to live," and "Things
will be just fine if we get rid of them all." "No problem, the Turks will
help," they say, "if we ask them, they'll rid Armenia of Armenians in half an
hour." Well that's the way it all was, but I never thought, of course that it
would spill over into a bloody tragedy, because you just couldn't imagine it.
Here we've been living under the Soviet government for 70 years, and no one
even considered such an idea possible.
But I had been forming my own opinions, and in the presence of authoritative
people I would often ask, "Where is this all leading, do people really not see
what kind of situation is emerging here. The Russians are fleeing Sumgait,
there are very few of them left. Why is no one dealing with this, what's going
on?" And when it all happened on the 27th and 28th, it became clear that
everything had been arranged by someone, because what else are you to make of
it if the First Secretary of the City Party Committee is marching ahead of the
demonstration with an Azerbaijani flag? I wouldn't be saying this now if I
hadn't received personal confirmation from him later. Because when we were
under guard in the SK club on the 1st, he came to the club, that Muslimzade.
The women told me, "There he is, there he is, that's Muslimzade." I didn't
believe the rumors that he had carried an Azerbaijani flag. I thought that
they were just false rumors. I went over to him and said, "Are you the First
Secretary of our City Party Committee?" He answers me, "Yes." And I ask him,
"Tell me, did you really march ahead of that gang carrying an Azerbaijani
flag, and behind you they were carrying denigrating signs, I don't know
exactly what they said, but there was mention of Armenian blood?" And he tells
me, "Yes, I was there, but I tried to dissuade them from it." Then I asked him
another question: "And where were you when they were burning and slaughtering
us? And he said, "I. . . We didn't know what to do, we didn't know, we didn't
anticipate that that would happen in Sumgait."
Comrade Mamedov, the First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the
Azerbaijani SSR, answered the same question for me: "No, we actually didn't
anticipate the slaughter in Sumgait. At that time we were trying to contain
the crowd of 45,000 in Baku that was preparing for a massacre." Those are his
exact words, the ones he said in the office of the Council of Ministers of the
Armenian SSR.
And now, about the events themselves. Of course it's painful to discuss them,
because it may seem that it's not true to someone else. Various rumors
concerning what happened are making the rounds: some are true, others aren't.
But unfortunately there are more true ones than false, because it was so
horrible: in our age, here in the space age, the age of science, the age of
progress, I don't know, if someone had told me this story, if I were living in
or around Moscow, I wouldn't have believed it. Why not? Because it was really
a genocide, it was a massacre. That's genuinely what it was.
For example, on that day, the 28th--I didn't know about the 27th because my
husband and I were both sick, both of us had the flu, and we were in bed--on
the 28th our neighbor comes to our place and says, "You're in bed? You don't
know anything about it? There was a demonstration in town, and after it they
were overturning Armenian cars and burning them. They were looking into cars
and asking, 'Are you an Armenian?' If they answered in Armenian, then they
turned the car over and burned it." This isn't made up, the wife of the Senior
Investigator of the Baku Ministry of Internal Affairs told us. He was
returning home from his dacha with his wife, Raisa Sevastyanova, she's my
neighbor. She immediately came and told LIS that they had landed right in the
middle of it, I don't know what to call it, the cavalcade of automobiles they
were stopping. He answered in Azerbaijani, they let them go, but they made him
honk the horn, they were kicking up a fracas. We didn't even believe it, and
I said, "Certainly that didn't happen, how can that be?" And she said,
"Muslimzade was leading the crowd, and the Sputnik store was completely
smashed because most of the salespeople there are Armenians. And when he saw
that they had started breaking the glass in that store, he said, "Don't break
the shop windows, don't destroy state property, but do whatever else you want.
" I didn't hear this with my own two ears, but it is a fact that the store was
torn up and the director of the store was beaten for employing Armenians
although he's an Azerbaijani.
While we were talking, all of a sudden right across from us . . . Sevastyanova
is the first to look out the window and say, "Look, there's a crowd out
there." And sure enough, when we looked out there we saw that the crowd had
already started wrecking the neighboring building. There was an Armenian
family there, a woman and two girls. They lived across from us. I'm sorry, I
don't know the building number or the people's names, since we were in my
husband's apartment, in Microdistrict 8, and I lived in Microdistrict No. 3.
There was awful looting going on there at the time, the most hideous things
were going on there then. One building there, ours, was attacked twice, once
wasn't enough for them. They returned to the places where they hadn't finished
the Armenians off. If an Azerbaijani family dared to conceal Armenians, they
beat the Azerbaijanis too. They also beat Russians, if it was Russians doing
the hiding. Because there were Russians among them, they said so on
television, there were people of various nationalities. But they didn't tell
us why there were people of different nationalities. Because they wouldn't
have touched the Azerbaijanis if they hadn't dared to stick up for the
Armenians and give them temporary shelter in their homes.
At the time I saw this from the window I was there, Sevastyanova was there,
and so was my husband. We went out onto the balcony and saw a television fly
off a balcony. All kinds of things, even a sofa. Then, when it was all down
there, they burned it up. Then we saw the crowd, and they were all oohing. At
first I couldn't figure out what was happening. And later I told my husband,
"Lendrush, l think they're beating someone out there." And he answered, "I
don't know, could be." Suddenly the crowd separated for a moment, and I saw
it, and Raisa Sevastyanova saw it too. My husband had turned the other way,
he didn't see it. I saw a naked girl with her hair down. They were dragging
her. She kept falling because they were pushing her and kicking her. She fell
down, it was muddy there, and later other witnesses who saw it from their
balconies told us, they seized her by the hair and dragged her a couple of
blocks, as far as the mortgage bank, that's a good block and a half or two
from here. I know this for sure because I saw it myself.
Then the crowd rushed toward our building. We were standing there, and you can
of course imagine what we were feeling. Were they going to kill us or not? And
I also had the awful thought that they might torment me the way they tormented
that woman, because I had just seen that.
I asked my husband. I gave him an axe and said, "You kill me first, and then
let them do what they want with the corpse." But our neighbors, it's true,
defended us, they said, "There aren't any Armenians in our entryway, go away,
only Muslims live here." Disaster missed us that time.
But at two o'clock in the morning a crowd of about 15 people, approximately,
came back to our place. My husband was already asleep. He can sleep when he's
upset about something, but I can't. I was standing, running from balcony to
balcony. Our power was out, I don't remember for how long, but it was as
though it had been deliberately turned off. There were no lights whatsoever,
and I was glad, of course. I thought it was better that way. But then I look
and the crowd is at our balcony. This was at 2:15 in the morning. The first
time they were at our building it was 6:30, and now it was 2:15 in the
morning. But I never thought that that old woman on the first floor, the
Azerbaijani, was awake and watching out, there were human beings among them
too. So she goes out with a pail of garbage, as though she needed to be taking
garbage out at two o'clock in the morning. She used it as a pretext and went
toward those young people. They really were youngsters. From my balcony you
could see perfectly that they were young Azerbaijani boys. They spoke
Azerbaijani. And when they came up to her she said, "What do you want?" And
they answered, "We want the Armenian family that lives here" [pointing toward
the second floor with their hands]. She says, "I already told you, we don't
have any Armenians here, now leave, do you hear, this is an old Muslim woman
talking to you," and grabbed the hand of one boy who was trying to walk around
her and enter the building anyway and started pushing him away. And so they
seemed to listen to her. They were all very young, they started apologizing
and left. That was the second time death was at our door.
I forgot to mention about one other apartment, a man named Rubik lives there,
I don't know him really, I knew his daughter, I mean I saw her around, but we
really didn't know them. But I do know that that guy who lives on the fourth
floor across from our entryway went to Chernobyl and worked there for eight
months, to earn money. Can you imagine what that means? He risked his life to
earn X amount of money in order to better his family. He bought new furniture
and was getting ready to give his daughter's hand in marriage, but, alas,
everything was ruined by those creeps and scoundrels. They threw everything
out the windows, and the rest we saw from our balcony: how the neighbors on
the left and right ran into the apartment and carried off everything that
hadn't already been smashed or taken. What is one to think of that? It means
that the parents in those families were in on it too. Unfortunately I came to
be of the opinion that it was all organized and that everything had been
foreseen in advance: both the beating of the Armenians and the stripping of
apartments. Something on the order of "We'll move the Armenians out and take
over their apartments."
I have worked honestly my whole life, you can check everything about me. I
came as a patriot from China, waited for nights on end in front of the
Consulate General of the USSR, I came to my homeland as a patriot because I
knew that the Party and the Komsomol were holy things. But when I saw in
Sumgait that there wasn't anything holy about them, that Party membership was
bought, that Komsomol members joined only for personal gain, that there were
no ideals, no ideas, God save me, everything was being bought and sold, I saw
all of it and understood how they could allow that crap to go on like it did.
I can't talk any more about it . . . the image of that beating . . . When I
went out of my own apartment--they picked us up under Soviet Army guard, they
had arrived from all over to suppress that gang--not only Armenians, but some
Russian families and their children, too, came out of their apartments and
joined us, because no normal person who had seen that could stay there with
the situation the way it was. And what's interesting is that when we left on
the buses I rode and thought that at least one group of people, for sure
people would basically rise to the situation, would have some compassion for
the Armenians, would somehow understand the injustice of what was done. But
having analyzed and weighed the whole thing, once I calmed down, having
thought it all through, I came to a conclusion that is shared by many people.
If a lot of Azerbaijanis didn't want their Armenian neighbors to be killed,
and that basically depended on that Muslimzade--he said that he had wanted to
calm them down--then is it possible that he didn't have people at hand to whom
he could whisper at the last minute, "Go and announce it on television:
Citizens of Sumgait! Take what you can into your hands, let's protect our
neighbors from this massacre?" Those crowds weren't such that there was no
controlling them. Basically they were unarmed. They didn't have firearms,
mostly they had knives, they had all kinds of metal parts, like armature
shafts, sharpened at the ends, special rocks, different to a degree that we
noticed them: there aren't rocks like those in Sumgait soils, they were
brought from somewhere, as though it were all specially planned. So as I was
saying, I weighed it all out and if any of our neighbors had wanted to defend
us, why wasn't it arranged? It means that the government didn't want to do
it. When the crowd was moving from the City Party Committee to the Sputnik,
what, there was no way of informing Baku? No, there was no way, it turns out!
The crowd was doing violence in our microdistrict. I won't mention the things
I didn't see myself, I'll only talk about the things I myself witnessed. They
were in Microdistrict 8 beginning at 6 o'clock in the evening, when I saw them
from the other building, and they were somewhere else until mid-night or one
o'clock in the morning, because at 2:15 they came back to our building. They
hadn't completely finished making their predatory rounds of Microdistrict 8.
When they returned to our building I told my husband, "Lendrush, now the
police are probably going to come, my God, now the authorities are probably
going to find out and come to our aid." Well, alas, no, there were to be no
authorities, not a single policeman, not a single fireman, not a single
ambulance came while they were raging, as it turns out, as we later found out,
beginning on the Might of the 27th. There were dead people, ruined apartments,
and burned autos: one car near the bus station, it was burned and overturned,
it was probably there about four days, everyone saw it and what went on in
Block 45! Those who live there know, they saw from their balconies how they
attacked the soldiers in the buses, how they beat those poor, unarmed
soldiers, and how on that square, I can't remember the name of it, where there
is that fork coming from the bus station, that intersection, now I'm upset and
I can't think of the name . . . there's a tall building there, a 9-story, and
from the balconies there people saw that butchery, when the poor soldiers,
wearing only helmets, with shields and those unfortunate clubs, moved against
that mob. And when they fell, those 12-to 14-year-old boys ran up and using
stones, big heavy stones, beat them to death on their heads. Who could have
guessed that something like that could happen in the Soviet Union and under
the Soviet government? The upshot is that this republic has not been under
Soviet control for a long time, but no one wanted to pay any attention or get
involved.
If you were to go and ask at my work many people would confirm that I tell the
truth, I've been struggling for truth for five years there already, the five
years that I worked at the Azerbaijani railroad. Some people there considered
me a demagogue, others who knows what; some think I'm an adventure seeker, and
some, a prankster. But I wanted everything to be right, I would become
outraged: how can this be, why is it people treat one another this way on a
Soviet railroad, as though the Azerbaijani railroad were Azerbaijani property,
or the property of some magnate, or some "mafia": If I want to, I'll get you
out of here; If I want to, I'll get rid of you; If I want to, I'll do
something else? And there's a black market price for everything, in the most
brazen way: a coach to Moscow costs so much, a coach on a local train costs so
much. Once when I was complaining to the head of the conductor's pool, he had
the nerve to tell me, maybe you won't even believe this, but this, I'm afraid,
I heard with my own ears: "Tatyana, just how long can you fight for something
that you know will never have any effect? You're alone against everyone, so
instead why don't you give more money to the chief conductor, and everything
will go fine for you." I started to cry, turned, and left. What else could I
do, where else could I go to complain? I realized that everything was useless.
And the root of the whole thing is that it all goes on and no one wants to see
it. I filed a written complaint, and they ground it into dust, they destroyed
it, I still have a copy, but what's the use? When the General Procuracy got
involved with the investigation of the bloody Sumgait affair, in addition to
the information about what I saw, what I was a witness to, I gave testimony
about the mafia at the railroad. They accepted my petition, but I don't know
if they're going to pursue it or not. Because, you'll excuse me, I no longer
believe in the things I aspired to, the things I believed in before: It's all
dead. They just spit on my soul, stomped on everything, physically, and most
important, spiritually, because you can lose belongings, that's nonsense, that
all comes with time, but when your soul is spit upon and when the best in
you--your beliefs--are destroyed, it can be very difficult to restore them...
I want to tell of one incident. I just don't know, at the time I was in such a
state that I didn't even take minor things into account. Here is an example.
Of course, it's not a minor one. My neighbor, Raisa Sevastyanova, she has a
son, Valery, who is in the 9th grade in a school in Microdistrict 8. A boy,
Vitaly [Danielian], I don't know his last name, goes to school with him, or
rather, went to school with him. I was just sitting in an apartment trying to
make a phone call to Moscow . . . Oh yes, and there's one important detail:
When the massacre began, for two to three hours the phones weren't working in
Armenian apartments, and later, in several Russian and Azerbaijani apartments.
But the fact of the matter is that service was shut off, you could not call
anywhere. Why? Again, it means it was all planned. How come service is cut off
for no reason? And the lights went off. And those brats were raging as they
liked They weren't afraid, they ran about freely, they that no one would slap
their hands and no one would dare to stop them. They knew it.
Now I'm going to tell about the incident. So this little Vitaly, Vitalik, an
Armenian boy, went to school with Valery; they were in the same class.
According to what Valery and his neighbor pal said--at the time I was in the
same apartment as they were, I sat at the phone waiting for the call to be put
through--a mob attacked the building where Vitalik lived. So Valery ran to
his mother and said, "Mamma, please let me go to Vitalik's, what if they kill
him? Maybe he's still alive, maybe we can bring him here and save him somehow.
. . . He's a nice guy, we all like him, he's a good person, he's smart." His
mother wouldn't let him go. In tears, she says, "Valery, you can't go because
I am afraid." He says, "Mamma, we can get around the crowd. We'll just watch,
just have a look." They made it through. I don't know, I think Vitalik's
parents lived in Microdistrict No. 1, and when they got there, they made a
superficial deduction. Knowing that balconies and doors were being broken
everywhere, that you could see from the street which were the Armenian
apartments in the building, they went here and there and looked, and saw that
the windows were intact, and so they calmed down. But even though the windows
in that apartment were not broken, everything inside was totally smashed, and
Vitalik lay there with a broken skull, and his mother and father had already
been murdered. Little Vitalik didn't even know they were dead. So two weeks
ago, I don't know, he was in critical condition, no, maybe it was longer: we
left Sumgait on March 20, spent some time in Moscow, and then we came to
Yerevan. So it's been about a month already; it's so hard to keep all this
straight. So Valery, the next day, when he found out that Vitalik's family has
been killed and Vitalik was ling in the Semashko Hospital in Baku, Valery and
his classmates got together and went to visit him. But they wouldn't admit
them, telling them that he was in critical condition and that he was still in
a coma. They cried and left, having also found out that the girl I saw being
kicked and dragged was in that hospital too. As it turns out she was brought
there in serious condition, but at least she was alive at the time . . .
When we got to the SK club we would see first one friend and then another,
throw ourselves into their arms and kiss them, because you had wondered if
these friends were alive or not, if those friends were alive or not . . . And
when you saw them you were so glad to find out that the family had lived! When
you saw people you heard things that made your hair stand on end.
If you publish everything that happened it will be a hideous book. A book of
things it is even difficult to believe. And those two girls who were raped
were entirely black and blue, the ones at the SK, they know I'm not lying,
that girlfriend came up to one of them and said, "What happened?" and she
bared her breasts, and they were completely covered in cigarette burns . . .
those rogues had put cigarettes out on her breasts. After something like that
I don't know how you can live in a city and look at the people in it.
Now . . . When we stayed at the military unit for a while, they provided,
well, basic conditions for us there. The military unit is located in Nasosny,
some six miles from Sumgait. And living there we met with a larger group
of people. There were about 1,600 people at the unit. You know, there was a
point when I couldn't even go outside because if you went outside you saw
so much heartbreak around you. And when you hear the false rumors . . .
Yes, by the way, false rumors were spread in Sumgait saying that the Armenians
around Yerevan had destroyed Azerbaijani villages and razed them to the ground
with bulldozers. I didn't know whether to believe it or not. And people who
don't know any better get the idea that it was all done in revenge. But when
I arrived in Armenia and was in Spitak, and in Spitak all those villages are
not only intact, but at that time had even been protected just in case, they
were guarded, they got better food than did the inhabitants of Spitak. Not a
single person there died, and no one is planning to harm them. Around Yerevan
all the villages are safe and unharmed, and the Armenians didn't attack
anyone. But actually, after an evil of the magnitude suffered in Sumgait there
could have been a feeling of vengefulness, but no one acted on it. And I don't
know why you sometimes hear accusations to the effect that the Armenians are
guilty, that it is they who organized it. Rumors like that are being spread in
Azerbaijan. And if one old person says it and ten young ones hear it, they not
only perceive it with their minds, but with their hearts, too. To them it
seems that the older person is telling the truth. For example, one says; "Did
you know that out of 31 people killed (by the way, originally they said 31
people, but later they found a 32nd), 30 were Azerbaijani and one was an
Armenian?"
Of course I'm upset, but it's utterly impossible to discuss such things and
not become upset. Sometimes l forget things, but I know I want to return to
the time when we were in the SK club across from the City Party Committee.
When I saw Muslimzade in the SK club building I went to him to ask because I
couldn't believe that he had marched in the front carrying a banner. I already
mentioned this, and if I repeat anything, please excuse me. I asked him, "Why
did you do that and why are you here now, why did you come here? To laugh at
these women who are strewn about on the floor?" The overcrowding there was
tremendous, it was completely unsanitary, and several of the children were
already sick. It's true the troops tried to make it livable for us. They
cooked for us on their field stoves and provided us with wonderful food, but
the thing is that their main job was to ferret out the gang that was still at
it everywhere, that was continuing its sordid affairs everywhere. Plus they
were never given any direct orders, they didn't know what they were authorized
to do and not to do. And it was only on March 8 at five o'clock in the evening
that Krayev himself, the Lieutenant General, the City Commandant of Sumgait,
was given full authority and told everyone over a microphone from an armored
personnel carrier that now he could do what he wanted to do, as his heart
advised him, and relocate people to the military unit.
But that's not what I want to talk about now. Muslimzade, characteristically,
tried to get me out of the SK building and take me to the City Party
Committee, which is across the square from the club. He took me by the
hand and said, "Citizen, don't worry, we'll go and have a talk in my office.
I told him, "No, after everything you've done, I don't believe one iota of
what you say. If I go to the City Party Committee I'll disappear, and the
traces of me will disappear too. Because you can't stand it when . . . " Oh
yes, and there was another interesting detail from that meeting. It was even
very funny, although at the time I wasn't up to laughing. He was in a nice,
expensive hat, and so as to put him to shame, so to speak, I said, "Oh, why
did you come here all duded up like a London dandy, you smell of good perfume,
you're in your starched shirt, and you have your expensive hat on. You came
to ridicule the poor women and children who are lying on the floor, who are
already getting sick, whose relatives have died. Did you come to laugh at
them?" And the one who was accompanying him, an Azerbaijani, I don't know who
he was or what his title was, he quickly snatched the hat off Muslimzade's head
and hid it. Then I said, "My God! We're not marauders. We're not you! We
didn't come to you with the intention of stealing!" "Well kill me, kill me!"
Muslimzade says to me, "But I'm not guilty . . . kill me, kill me, but I'm not
guilty." And I say, "OK, fine, you're not guilty, have it your way. But give
us an answer, we're asking you: Where were you when they were torturing and
raping those poor women, when they were killing the children, burning things,
carrying on outrageously, and wrecking all those apartments? Where were you
then?" "You know, we didn't expect it, we did not know what to do, we didn't
anticipate that something like that would happen in Sumgait." I started
laughing and said, "It's truly funny." He says, "What could I do? We didn't
know what to do." And I say, "I'm sorry, but it'll be ridiculous if I tell
you: The First Secretary of the City Party Committee shouldn't march out in
front with a banner; he should fall down so that the gang would have to cross
over his dead body. That's what you should have done. That's the way it was
during the war. Not a single party committee secretary compromised himself;
either he died or he led people into battle. And what did you do? You ran
away, you left, you hid, you marched with a flag, because you were afraid,
excuse my language, you feared for your own damned hide. And when we ask you,
you tell us that you got confused and you ask me what you could have done?
That's right," I told him, "the City party committee got confused, all the
party committees got confused, the police got confused,. Baku got confused,
they all lay in a faint for two weeks, and the gang ran the show with
impunity. And if it weren't for the troops it wouldn't have been just two
days, there wouldn't be a single Armenian left in Sumgait for sure, they would
have finished their bloody affair, because they brazenly went up to some
Russians, too, the ones who tried to say something to them, and they told
them, 'As soon as we finish with the Armenians we'll come after you, too."
And by the way, there was a colonel, who took us to the military unit. He was
the one with the light blue collar tabs who flew in and two hours later
arrived on an armored personnel carrier when we were at the SK and took us to
the military unit and who later started moving us from the military unit. We
asked him, "What? How? What will come of us?" He openly said, "You know, for
us the main thing now is to catch that gang. We'll finish that quickly. You'll
stay at the military unit for the time being, and we'll decide later." The
General Procuracy of the USSR arrived, it consists of investigators from all
cities. There were some from Stavropol, from everywhere, just everywhere, because
the affair was truly frightful. About this, by the way, Comrade Katusev spoke;
as everyone knows, he's the First Deputy General Procurator of the USSR. When
he gave us a speech from the armored personnel carrier at the military unit,
by the way, he told us the honest truth, because he couldn't not say it,
because he was still experiencing his first impressions of what he had seen,
and he said, "There was Afghanistan; and it was bad, but Sumgait--it's
horrible! And the people who dared to do such a thing will be severely
punished, in accordance with our laws." And that's a quote. Then one mother
throws herself at him--her two sons had died before her very eyes--and says,
"Who will return my sons? Who is going to punish the [culprits]?" They tried
to calm her down, and he said, "In order for us to conduct a proper
investigation, in order that not a single scoundrel avoid responsibility, you
must help us, because we don't know, maybe there was someone else in the gang
who is now being concealed in homes, and maybe the neighbors know, maybe
someone saw something. Don't be afraid, write about it in detail. So that
you're not afraid . . . Everyone knows that many of you are afraid, having
lived through such horrors, they think that if they write the whole truth
about, let's say, their neighbor or someone else, that they will seek revenge
later. We're going to do it like this: We're going to set up an urn and you
can throw what you write in there. We don't need to know who wrote it. The
names of the people who write won't be made public, but we need all the
information. Let each and every one not be afraid, let each write what is
necessary, who they saw in that gang, who made threats or shouted threatening
gibes about the Armenians . . . You must describe all of these people and put
the information into the urn."
Two soldiers and a major guarded the urn. And, sure enough, many people,
people who didn't even want to write . . .I know one woman who asked me, she
came up and said, "You, as a Russian, the same thing won't happen to you as
will happen to me. So please . . . I'll give you the information, and you
please write it down for me." So she was afraid, and there were a lot like
her . . . But later, after Katusev made his speech, she sat and wrote down
everything she knew. And we threw it all into the urn. Now we don't know if
it will be of any use. For a factual picture will emerge from all that
information. One person can lie, but thousands can't lie, thousands simply
can't lie. You have to agree with that, a fact is a fact. Why, for example,
should someone say that black is white if it is really black?
The First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the Azerbaijani
SSR, Mamedov, as I said, was in Yerevan. My husband and I were at the Council
of Ministers of the Armenian SSR and found out that Mamedov was present, the
one who had come to convince the people of Sumgait to return to their
previous dwellings, to their old apartments. We asked for a meeting with him,
and it was granted. When we went to see him he tried to behave properly, very
politely, delicately, but . . . when the truth was told right to his face and
when I asked him some of the same questions I had asked Muslimzade, "Where were
you personally when they were beating us? Now you're trying to convince us to
return, why didn't you think at the time that they were slaughtering us where
it was all leading?" he says, "You're telling the truth. Let's not mince
words. You've told me right to my face, and I'll tell you straight. I'll tell
you the pure truth. I was gotten out of bed in the evening, the whole
government was up, including me, and we were restraining a crowd of about
45,000 in Baku. But we never expected that in a city like Sumgait, with its
fine international record, such a thing could happen. We expected it in Baku."
I say, "So that means you expected it all the same? Why were you expecting
it?" And he says, "You know, it just happened that way. We were expecting it
in Baku, we were trying to restrain it, but in Sumgait . . . " I say, "Fine,
you didn't know for the first three or four hours, but then you should have
known. Why did no one help us?" And he says, "Well, OK, we didn't know what to
do" and things like that. Basically it was the same story I got from
Muslimzade. Later, when he said, "You go on back, the situation in Sumgait is
favorable now, everything is fine, the Armenians are friendly with the
Azerbaijanis . . . " To this l answered, "You know what . . . I'm speaking
with you as a [member of a] neutral nation . . . I have never argued with
Armenians or with Azerbaijanis and I was an eyewitness . . . You tell me,
please, Comrade Mamedov, " I asked him, "What would you say about this
honestly, if you were being completely frank with us?" Then he said, "Yes, I
admit that I am honestly ashamed, shame on the entire Azerbaijani nation, we
have disgraced ourselves not only before the entire Soviet Union, but before
the whole world. Because now the Voice of America and all the other foreign
radio stations of various hues are branding us with all kinds of rumors, too."
And I say, "There's nothing to add to what really happened. I don't think it's
possible to add anything more awful." He says, "Yes, I agree with you, I
understand your pain, it is truly an unfortunate occurrence." I repeat that he
said "unfortunate occurrence." And then he suddenly remembered himself, what
he was saying--he had a pen in his hands, he was fidgeting with it nervously--
and said, "Oh, excuse me, a tragedy, really . . . " I take this to mean that
he really thinks it's an "unfortunate occurrence." "And of course," he says,
"I understand that having gone through all this you can't return to Sumgait,
but it's necessary to cool down and realize that all those people are being
tried." And he even gave a detail, which, I don't know if it matters or not,
that 160 policemen were being tried. Specifically in relation to that bloody
affair.
Yes, by the way, there is another good detail, how I was set up at work in
Baku after the events. I went to an undergarment plant, there was an
Azerbaijani working there, and suddenly she tells me, "What, they didn't
nail your husband? They screwed up." I was floored, I hadn't imagined that
anyone in Baku, too, could say something like that. Well after that I went up
to see . . . to my office, I needed to find out about those days, what was
going to happen with them, how they were going to put down those days from
February 29 to March 10 . . . and the administrator told me, "I don't know,
Tatyana, go to the head of the conductors' pool. Be grateful if they don't
put it down as unexcused absence." I was really discouraged by this. They all
know that we were but a hair away from death and barely survived, and here
they're telling me that I was skipping work, as though I was off enjoying
myself somewhere. I went to the office of the chief of the pool, his last name
is Rasulov, and he's had that position for many years. Incidentally, he's a
Party member, and is a big man in town. And suddenly, when I went to him and
said, "Comrade Rasulov, this is the way it was . . . " He looked at me askance
and said, "And why are you"--he knows me by my previous last name--"why did
you get wrapped up in this mess?" I say, "What do you mean, why did I get
wrapped up in this mess? My husband's an Armenian," I tell him, "I have an
Armenian last name." And he screwed up his face, made a kind of a grimace, as
though he had eaten something sour, and said, "I didn't expect that you would
. . . " What did he mean by that? And "how" should he behave, the chief of the
pool, a man who supervises 1,700 workers? Now, it's true, there was a
reduction, but for sure there are still 1,200 conductors working for him. And
if someone who supervises a staff that size says things like that, then what
can you expect from a simple, uneducated, politically unsophisticated person?!
He's going to believe any and all rumors, that the Armenians are like this,
the Armenians are like that, and so on . . .
By the way, that Mamedov--now I'm going back to Mamedov's office when I asked
him "Are you really going to guarantee the safety of our lives if we return
to Sumgait?" he answered, "Yes, you know, I would guarantee them . . . I don't
want to take on too much, I would guarantee them firmly for 50 years. But I
won't guarantee them for longer than 50 years." I say, "So you've got another
thing like that planned for 50 years from now? So they'll be quiet and then
in another 50 years it'll happen again?!" I couldn't contain myself any more,
and I also told him, "And how did it get to that point, certainly you knew
about it, how they were treating the Russians, for example, in Baku and in
Sumgait, how they were hounded from their jobs? Certainly you received
complaints, I wrote some myself. Why did no one respond to them? Why did
everyone ignore what was going on? Didn't you prepare people for this by the
way you treated them?" And he says, "You know, you're finally starting to
insult me!" He threw his pen on the desk. "Maybe now you'll say I'm a
scoundrel too?" I say, "You know, I'm not talking about you because I don't
know. But about the ones who I do know I can say with conviction, yes, that
comrade was involved in this, that, and that, because I know for certain.
"Well anyway he assured us that here, in Yerevan, there were false rumors,
that 3,000 Sumgait Armenians were here, and 15,000 were in Sumgait and had
gotten back to work. Everyone was working, he said, and life was very good.
"We drove about the town ourselves, Comrade Arutiunian [First Secretary of
the Communist Party of Armenia SSR] came from the Council of Ministers of
Armenian, he came and brought information showing that everything was fine in
Sumgait." When I asked Mamedov how he had reached that conclusion he said, '
"Well, I walked down the street." And I said, "Walking down the street in any
city, even if I were to go to New York, I would never understand the situation
because I would be a guest, I don't have any contact with people, but if you
spend 10 days among some blue-collar workers in such a way that they didn't
know you were the First Deputy Chairman of the Council of Ministers, you'd
hear something quite different." I told him, for example, that I drew my
conclusion when we left the military unit to look at our apartments. They took
us all in turns to pick things up, since people had fled to the military unit;
they got on the bus just to save themselves as soon as possible. How are the
neighbors in the microdistrict, how will they view us, what do they think? I
thought maybe that in fact it wasn't something general, of a mass nature, some
anti-national something. And when that bus took us to our building, because it
was the same bus, while we were going up to our apartment, an armed soldier
accompanied us. What does that say? It speaks of the fact that if everything
there were fine, why do we need to have soldiers go there and come back with
us, going from apartment to apartment? And in fact, especially with the young
people, you could sense the delight at our misfortune, the grins, and they
were making comments, too. And that was in the presence of troops, when police
detachments were in the microdistricts and armored personnel carriers and
tanks were passing by. And if people are taking such malicious delight when
the situation is like that, then what is it going to be like when they
withdraw protection from the city altogether? There will be more outrages, of
course, perhaps not organized, but in the alleys . . .
April 20, 1988
Yerevan
- - - reference - - -
[1] _The Sumgait Tragedy; Pogroms against Armenians in Soviet Azerbaijan,
Volume I, Eyewitness Accounts_, edited by Samuel Shahmuradian, forward by
Yelena Bonner, 1990, published by Aristide D. Caratzas, NY, pages 166-177
--
David Davidian dbd@urartu.sdpa.org | "How do we explain Turkish troops on
S.D.P.A. Center for Regional Studies | the Armenian border, when we can't
P.O. Box 382761 | even explain 1915?"
Cambridge, MA 02238 | Turkish MP, March 1992
| 17talk.politics.mideast
|
Greetings. I've recently decided to chuck the linear regulators
and learn the "black magic" art of switching power supplies...
(before anyone flames me, I KNOW, both have their place :-)
Anyways, I've built the basic up & down converters with pretty
good results (>80% efficiency) but I'm running into problems
when I try to design & build anything that puts out serious
amps... I know it can be done (I have some 5V@200A guts on my
bench) but something puzzles me: I'm using a simple choke as
the storage element (basicly a toroid with a single winding)
but ALL commercial models use transformers with MANY windings.
I traced a few and they seem to use some of the winding for
the usual error/feedback but some of the others seem to loose
me... What are they for? Better than that, anyone have a full
schematic for one of these that I could get a copy of? I'd
love to see how they manage to squeeze out so much from such
low volume :-)
My other problems (in getting high amps & good efficiency) are
1) Lack of sources of ideal components (calculated) and 2)
Limited knowledge of the whole topic... I'm doing this on my
own (not school) mind you (in fact, I have yet to take any
course that covers transistors ;-)
So, is the answer to #1 the accumulation of dead commercial
models and truning into a scavanger (not that it's not what
I'm doing now...) and #2 getting & understanding schematics
and a bit more of the [mind-boggling] theory?
Take care.
P.S. My goal is 12V @ ~25A in (car battery) -> 250VAC out and
(on the other end) 250V -> +5VDC @ 5A, -5V @ 1A, +12VDC @8A
and -12VDC @1A... the distance between the two will be
more than 100 feet (of 14-16 gauge) but less than 300 feet.
Would like to have a working model in a year or so... :-)
(Do I have a chance to make it?)
--
/ Filip "I'll buy a vowel" Gieszczykiewicz. | Best e-mail "fmgst+@pitt.edu" \
| All ideas are mine but they can be yours for only $0.99 so respond NOW!!!! |
| I live for my EE major, winsurfing, programming, SCA, and assorted dreams. |
\ 200MB Drive - Linux has 100MB and MS-DOS has 100MB. MS-DOS is worried ;-) /
| 12sci.electronics
|
I spoke to a sales dweeb in 3X, a Ducati dealer here in Blighty, and he had
nothing good to say about them... it appears they are waaaay underpowered,
(basically, it's the 750/900 with a 400cc engine), and there have been some
quality problems (rusty _frame_ !!). Save your pennies... buy the 900 :)
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
I am trying to setup two Seagate Tech. hard drives as
master and slave in the same system...
what i need to do such is the jumper schematics of the
two hard drives that i have...
my two Seagate HD: ST3144A, 124MB
ST3283A, 233MB
I need the jumpter setting schematics for these two Harddrives...
thanx for you help in advance...
--AJ.
ajp39368@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
An ideal wife is the woman who has an ideal husband!
| 3comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware
|
If anyone's still interested, I have ONE Mattel electronic game left for sale
or trade. It's Baseball (Tan Case) and includes a 9-volt battery and the
original manual! I was able to sell Soccer and Basketball 2 for $70.00 and
traded the Football game for a Genesis cart... so, I was happy. I will
entertain all offers.. cash or Genesis carts... By the way, Baseball is in
Excellent condition and works perfectly..
Thanx in advance,
Dave
| 6misc.forsale
|
renew@blade.stack.urc.tue.nl (Rene Walter) writes:
: A very kind soul has mailed me this reply for the bugs in CView.
: Since he isn't in the position to post this himself, he asked me to post
: it for him, but to leave his name out. So here it comes:
:
: CView has quite a number of bugs. The one you mention is perhaps the most
:
A stupid question, but what will CView run on and where can I get it? I
am still in need of a GIF viewer for Linux. (Without X-Windows.)
Thanks!
| 1comp.graphics
|
ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>Nick Pettefar (npet@bnr.ca) wrote:
>: English cars:-
>
>: Rover, Reliant, Morgan, Bristol, Rolls Royce, etc.
> ^^^^^^
> Talk about Harleys using old technology, these
>Morgan people *really* like to use old technology.
>I think their suspension design hasn't changed since
>they went from 3 wheels to 4 back in the '50s. And it's
>not like they had reached the pinnacle of good design
>at that point either.
Well, if you want to pick on Morgan, why not attack its ash (wood)
frame or its hand-bent metal skin (just try and get a replacement :-)).
I thought the kingpost suspension was one of the Mog's better features.
Karen Black
| 8rec.motorcycles
|
Has anybody heard an explanation of why the FBI was using tear gas
in a 35 mph wind?
Doesn't seem like vry good tactics to me ...
Any other explanations?
Lew
--
Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com
"Perspective is worth 80 IQ points." Niels Bohr (or somebody like that).
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
Barney Resson writes:
>On these counts, the apocrapha falls short of the glory of God.
>To quote Unger's Bible Dictionary on the Apocrapha:
>1. They abound in historical and geographical inaccuracies and
>anachronisms.
So do other parts of the Bible when taken literally - i.e. the Psalms
saying the Earth does not move, or the implication the Earth is flat
with four corners, etc. The Bible was written to teach salvation, not
history or science.
>2. They teach doctrines which are false and foster practices
>which are at variance with sacred Scripture.
What ones? Paryers for the dead or the intercession of saints? (Which
are taught in 2 Maccabees, Sirach, and Tobit)
>3. They resort to literary types and display an artificiality of
>subject matter and styling out of keeping with sacred Scripture.
By your own subjective judgement. This falling short is your judgement,
and you are not infallible - rather the Church of Jesus Christ is (see 1
Timothy 3.15).
>4. They lack the distinctive elements which give genuine
>Scripture their divine character, such as prophetic power and
>poetic and religious feeling.
More subjective feelings. This is not a proof of anything more than
one persons feelings.
>But the problem with this argument lies in the assumption that
>the Hebrew canon included the Apocrapha in the first place, and
>it wasn't until the sixteenth century that Luther and co. threw
>them out. The Jewish council you mentioned previously didn't
>accept them, so the reformation protestants had good historical
>precedence for their actions. Jerome only translated the
>apocrapha under protest, and it was literally 'over his dead
>body' that it was included in the catholic canon.
As I have written time and again, the Hebrew canon was fixed in Jamnia,
Palestine, in 90 AD. 60 years after the foundation of the one, holy,
catholic, and apostolic Church. Furthermore, the opinons of Jerome do
not count. He was neither the Church, or the Pope, or an ecumenical
council, or a council in general, or an insturment of the Magisterium of
the Church. He was a private individual, learned admittedly, but
subject to erro of opinion. And in exlcuding the deuterocanon, he
erred, as Pope Damsus, and the Council of Carthage, and the tradition of
the Fathers, clearly shows, as I pointed out in my previous post.
>How do you then view the words: "I warn everyone who hears the
>words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to
>them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.
>And if anyone takes away from this book the prophecy, God will
>take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the
>holy city" (Rev 22.18-9)
I suggest you take heed of the last part of the statement, if you want
to take it in the sense you are taking it, that taking away from the
book will cause you to lose heaven.
>It is also noteworthy to consider Jesus' attitude. He had no
>argument with the pharisees over any of the OT canon (John
>10.31-6), and explained to his followers on the road to Emmaus
>that in the law, prophets and psalms which referred to him - the
>OT division of Scripture (Luke 24.44), as well as in Luke 11.51
>taking Genesis to Chronicles (the jewish order - we would say
>Genesis to Malachi) as Scripture.
The order of the Canon is unimportant, it is the content that matters.
None of Jesus' statments exlcude the deuterocanon, which were
interspersed throughout the canon. And remeber, there are some
completely undisputed books, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiatses, Song
of Songs, Job, etc. that are not quoted in the New Testament, which is
not taken as prejudicial to their being inspired.
Andy Byler
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> Hi there,
> Can anyone tell me where it is possible to purchase controls found
> on most arcade style games. Many projects I am working on would
> be greatly augmented if I could implement them. Thanx in advance.
Try Parts Express in Dayton, Ohio also. They have a complete line of
professional arcade buttons, joysticks etc...
The have a 1-800 number so call 1-800-555-1212 and ask them what the 1-800
number for Part Express in Dayton, Ohio is. I love the free 1-800 directory
assistance...
- Dan
--
Daniel Joseph Rubin rubin@cis.ohio-state.edu
GO BENGALS! GO BUCKS!
| 12sci.electronics
|
I also had a simular problem with by NEC P7, it went away when I turned
on the "print directly to parallel port" option in the printer setup
apallette.
--
Mencsh tract und Gott lacht
yaturner@netcom.com
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
A new version of TkMan, a hypertext manual page browser,
is now available for anonymous ftp at harbor.ecn.purdue.edu.
If you can't wait until it's moved into a permanent place,
you may obtain it now by
cd /incoming
binary
get tkman-1.3.1.tar.Z
In a few days it will be moved to /pub/tcl/code.
It requires Tcl 6.7 and Tk 3.2, which are also available on harbor.
Among the new features are:
* tables and equations (tbl and eqn) supported
* selectively search directories
* searches may be case insensitive
* Ultrix man pages supported (if yours--for whatever machine--
doesn't format properly now, please send me uuencoded version
of both the man/man/ and man/cat/ versions)
For those over 21 and with a strong stomach, the following is a line taken
from an Ultrix man page ("<TAB>" means the tab character):
-t<TAB> Sorts<TAB>by time<TAB>modified (most recently<TAB>modified first)<TAB>instead<TAB>of by
SGI users should still use Paul Raines patched v1.3.
You can get the modified distribution by anonymous ftp from
bohr.physics.upenn.edu (130.91.48.159) in ftp:/pub/tkman_SGI.tar.Z
Everyone else should be able to use TkMan 1.3.1 successfully on their
machines without modifying anything outside of the Makefile.
WARNING: If you are upgrading from a pre-1.3 to 1.3 or later and you
have a ~/.tkman file, you should delete the "set man(print)..."
line before running TkMan 1.3.
-Tom
--
phelps@cs.Berkeley.EDU
| 5comp.windows.x
|
cobb@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu (Mike Cobb) writes:
>I'll yield the discussion on absolute morality until I can think of another way
>to discuss it. If you're interested in a change, here's an idea.
>If morals come from what is societally accepted, why follow that? What right do
>we have to expect others to follow our notion of societally mandated morality?
>Pardon the extremism, but couldn't I murder your "brother" and say that I was
>exercising my rights as I saw them, was doing what felt good, didn't want
>anyone forcing their morality on me, or I don't follow your "morality" ?
Yes, and then you can suffer the consequences in our collective decision to
incarcerate you for that act. Morality is not a necessity for a functional
collection of peoples, just a set of acceptable behaviours (is this the same
thing?). There is no universal moral standard as there are many different
situations in which collections of social organisms find themselves. Some
species of bees see nothing wrong with kicking out a large number of male
bees because they are being a burden on the food supplies of the colony. The
bees die of course, but it was for the good of the colony as a whole, so was
it immoral?
Our society (at least our western one) is one of abundance when it comes to
the basics; food, water and shelter. Therefore our moral standards are
based upon those circumstances. Unfortunately we enforce our moral
standards on collections of peoples who are not in similar situations,
because we believe in some "universal morality". What I am saying is that,
yes, you CAN still murder my sibling, but don't expect your peers to be
impressed by it in our society. However in some other circumstances, it may
actually be a "moral" thing to do (in which case it wouldn't be called
murder, probably sacrifice). After the act, you could say what you liked,
but you must make a conscious decision on whether or not your society will
condone your act, so as to evaluate the consequences to yourself, including
how you will feel about it (remember your feelings have been socially
imbued).
Jeff.
I keep trying to write a book of ideas in two paragraphs and it just comes
out disorganised garble!
| 19talk.religion.misc
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In article <1r4r01INN4v6@clem.handheld.com>, jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras) writes...
>In article <C5uyG1.7q9@acsu.buffalo.edu> v111qheg@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu
>(P.VASILION) writes:
>> In article <C5v15A.7oo@dscomsa.desy.de>, hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes...
>> [... snip ...]
>>
>> >|>>Has anyone in U.S. heard anything similar or are U.S. government
>> >|>>spin-doctors censoring such information?
>> >|>>
>> >|>>The B.B.C. news is also reporting that about 20 of those that died
>> >|>>were british citizens.
>> >
>> >The B.B.C. are also reporting that bodies of B-D members were found
>> >with bullet wounds in a manner that suggests they may have been shot
>> >attempting to leave the compound during the fire.
>> >
>> >There is a possibility that these are the bodies of people killed during
>> >the initial shootout.
>> >
>> >Phill Hallam-Baker
>>
>> Can you imagine what happens when a magazine explodes? Bullets go flying
>every
>> where. IMHO, these "gunshot wounds" were actually caused when the magazines
>> went up. A Texas ranger does not a pathologist make, so I'll wait for an
>> autopsy to determine if they were shot first.
>>
>
>I would doubt bullets would go flying. There is no particular force to make
>the bullet leave the scene of a cartridge going off outside of a barrel. The
>brass shell would burst too soon to give the bullet any real velocity. I
>wouldn't want to be near it, but I do not think bullet wounds would result.
>Shrapnel wounds would be more likely
>
>At least this is my understanding.
Not necessarily. If the body had been denatured (cooked) or dehydrated due
to the heat, a projectile needs only a minimal kinetic force to penetrate.
In fire aftermaths, bodies tend to fall apart or loose large chunks of
meat with little effort. Medical Examiners tend not to like cleaning up
such scenes.
As such, if the body had been suitably cooked, a bullet comming from a
magazine explosion would more than likely have enough force to enter and
thus it would be difficult to determine whether a bullet entered at the
time of death, or much later, unless you were trained to look for the
evidence. Texas Rangers are not pathologists.
>
>> Either way, they're all dead and the FBI & Atty. Gen. Vampria are still
>> responsable.
>
>Yep, at least in large part.
>
>jmd@handheld.com
P.Vasilion
| 16talk.politics.guns
|
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| 6misc.forsale
|
In article <mwalker-160493090617@mwalker.npd.provo.novell.com> mwalker@novell.com (Mel Walker) writes:
>
>> Copyright (c) Edward A. Ipser, Jr., 1993
>
>This means we can't quote Ed without his permission. No using these lists
>in your .sigs, folks!
Oh, darn.
Okay, okay, let's stop slamming Ipser, and get on with making fun of other
people.
Alan
| 18talk.politics.misc
|
I do not have this type of problem, but at one point an Apple rep
told me that Duo's "System Enabler" file version 1.0.1 fixes some
kind of sleep-related problem. You may want to investigate this...
-Josip Loncaric
| 4comp.sys.mac.hardware
|
In article <issa.735601408@cwis> issa@cwis.unomaha.edu (Issa El-Hazin) writes:
>Don't the numbers in the car names above refair to the engine size in
>liters? i.e. ls400 = 4.0litre engine, sc300 = 3.0 liter "Sport Coupe"..
>and Q45 = 4.5liter.. (similar, kinda, to BMW and MB nameing deal).
>
>issa
Funny, I thought the numbering scheme for both Lexus and Infiniti was
related to sticker price more than anything else, i.e. Infiniti G20 (around
20K), Q45 (around 45K), Lexus ES250 (RIP) (around 25K), Lexus ES300 (around
30K), etc.
Is there a conspiracy theory there?
Spiros
--
Spiros Triantafyllopoulos c23st@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com
Software Technology, Delco Electronics (317) 451-0815
GM Hughes Electronics, Kokomo, IN 46904 "I post, therefore I ARMM"
| 7rec.autos
|
In article <1993Apr15.062557.1224@slcs.slb.com> dcd@se.houston.geoquest.slb.com (Dan Day) writes:
>In article <C5Fyt4.JBy@cpsc.ucalgary.ca> schaffer@cpsc.ucalgary.ca (Doug Schaffer) writes:
>>
>>How hard is a carb rebuild for moderately experienced backyard mechanic?
>>I've done my clutch and miscellaneous little engine fixes.
>
>The hardest part is usually getting the darned thing off the intake
>manifold. Rebuilding a carb is fun, if you're into things with
>lots of little parts. I used to rebuild them for all my friends'
>cars in high school, so it doesn't take a PhD. Buy a carb rebuilding
>kit from an auto supply store. Buy a gallon of the best carb cleaning
>solvent you can find (do they still make Tyme?) -- as a rule of thumb,
>buy the one with the scariest warning labels. Put it into a metal(!)
>bucket. Make yourself a dipping can by punching holes in the bottom of
>a coffee can and attaching a wire handle to it. If the carb cleaner
>doesn't strip the paint right off the coffee can, you're not
>using the right stuff. Use the can to soak the little stuff, and
>just hang the big parts from a coat hanger. Wash them off with a
>garden hose, wipe off excess water with paper towels, and air dry.
>Then remember where all the little parts go. Follow the rebuild
>kit's instructions concerning float height, choke tension, etc.
>Bolt it back on the engine and admire the super-clean carb on the
>filthy engine.
Heed this man's warnings! If you get carb cleaner this strong on
your hands, your hands will be eaten away. Not pretty. Hence the "dipping
can" method.
Later,
--
Chris BeHanna DoD# 114 1983 H-D FXWG Wide Glide - Jubilee's Red Lady
behanna@syl.nj.nec.com 1975 CB360T - Baby Bike
Disclaimer: Now why would NEC 1991 ZX-11 - needs a name
agree with any of this anyway? I was raised by a pack of wild corn dogs.
| 7rec.autos
|
Dear netters,
I have noticed something rather weared (I think) about creating a dialog shell
widget while running HP Vue's vuewm.
For some reason, every time I create a dialog shell the foreground and backgroun
d colors are different compared to my toplevel shell.
I am not doing anything special/different.
Does any body know anything about this problem?? How to fix it without hardcodin
g the colors ?
Please respond to kamlesh@salzo.cary.nc.usa ....
Thanks !
-Kamlesh
| 5comp.windows.x
|
mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
> And the same goes for other cultural practices. The festival
> of Easter may possibly have some historical association with
> some pagan festival, but *today* there are, as far as I know,
> no Christians who *intend* to honor any kind of "pagan
> goddess" by celebrating Easter.
That argument would be more compelling if it were not for the
Ishtar eggs and Ishtar bunnies. Why mix pagan fertility symbols from the
worship of the pagan goddess of fertility with Biblical belief? What
would really be lost if all of you were to just drop the word "Easter" and
replace all such occurances with "Resurrection Sunday"? Would you not
show up for services if they were called "Resurrection Sunday Services"
rather than "Easter Services"?
| 15soc.religion.christian
|
In article <1993Apr3.195642.25261@njitgw.njit.edu>, dmu5391@hertz.njit.edu (David Utidjian Eng.Sci.) writes...
>In article <31MAR199321091163@juliet.caltech.edu> lmh@juliet.caltech.edu (Henling, Lawrence M.) writes:
> For a complete description of what is, and is not atheism
>or agnosticism see the FAQ for alt.atheism in alt.answers... I think.
>utidjian@remarque.berkeley.edu
I apologize for posting this. I thought it was only going to talk.origins.
I also took my definitions from a 1938 Websters.
Nonetheless, the apparent past arguments over these words imply that like
'bimonthly' and 'biweekly' they have no commonly accepted definitions and
should be used with care.
larry henling lmh@shakes.caltech.edu
| 0alt.atheism
|
In article <0fphl0C00iUzQ2jewR@andrew.cmu.edu>, "David R. Sacco" <dsav+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
> On 21-Apr-93 in Re: ABORTION and private he..
> user Not a Boomer@desire.wrig writes:
>> And while courts have found it ok to charge women less for auto
>>insurance, it's illegal to charge them more for health insurance (because they
>>live longer) or make them pay more into retirement funds so the legal arena
>>isn't being 100% consistent on the gender issue.
> Not so in PA. Recently the gender inequity in auto insurance was
> removed. Just a point.
That's encouraging news. Maybe it will spread here to Ohio :).
Brett
________________________________________________________________________________
"There's nothing so passionate as a vested interest disguised as an
intellectual conviction." Sean O'Casey in _The White Plague_ by Frank Herbert.
| 19talk.religion.misc
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>>>>> On Tue, 27 Apr 1993 00:39:20 GMT, sarfatti@netcom.com (Jack Sarfatti) said:
js> Question: what is the power spectrum of the bursts. Are their sharp lines?
js> If so, can they be interpreted as blue-shifted atomic or molecular lines?
Don't remember the spectra, but have seen some autocorrelation functions
recently. The ACFs show correlation times of milliseconds to 10s of
seconds; interestingly, the higher energies show a shorter correlation
time.
js> Can electron-positron annihilation gammas be seen in the bursts? Are they
js> red shifted or blue shifted?
I believe there were claims from an earlier satellite (Ginga?) of
detection of cyclotron absorption lines. These lines were taken as
strong evidence for neutron stars being the objects responsible for
GRBs since the magnetic field indicated was 1.0E12, fairly typical
for a neutron star. However, Compton GRO has not seen any of these
lines and I get the impression that many are beginning to doubt whether
these lines were ever real.
js> Since the bursts are isotropic and maybe in the galactic halo they may
js> be saying something about dark matter in the halo.
*If* the bursts are in the halo, they most certainly are saying something
about dark matter there. However, if they are in the halo, in order
that they appear isotropic, the "core radius" of the halo (i.e. the
innermost region of the halo) has to be greater than about 50 kpc.
The halo itself would stretch much further than this. Since the
Andromeda Galaxy is only 700 kpc away, we should be seeing bursts
from that galaxy's halo, which we aren't.
js> If the bursts are something like the cosmic black body radiation from
js> way back then where are the red shifts - I mean cosmological red shifts?
Remember to get a redshift, one needs some type of emission or
absorption line so one can compare the observed line frequency
to the rest line frequency. Since no lines are seen in GRB spectra,
that comparison cannot be made.
--
| e-mail: lazio@astrosun.tn.cornell.edu
T. Joseph Lazio | phone: (607) 255-6420
| ICBM: 42 deg. 20' 08" N 76 deg. 28' 48" W
Cornell knows I exist?!? | STOP RAPE
| 14sci.space
|
I have been experiencing several end-user problems with various commercial
software packages (WordPerfect 5.2/WIN, Publish It!/WIN 3.1) and printing
landscape mode on a Citizen PN48 (the little guy) or the Citizen GSX-140+.
In a nutshell the problem is that I lose the first 0.625 inches of
information from my left margin, be it white space or TrueType font
output, and margins are not preserved on subsequent pages past the
first.
WordPerfect had a workaround consisting of using the "Default" location
for the printers instead of "Tractor" or "Manual". They have also filed
this as a bug and are continuing to investigate it.
MS Write, of course, has no problem with these printer drivers, proving that
Microsoft knows something the rest of us don't! Are you surprised? I'm
not.
Publish It!/WIN is still investigating this problem, and while I was consider-
my options (rejecting the one about buying an $800 DTP package, for *surely*
they wouldn't have this problem, right?) I stumbled onto a global workaround.
WORKAROUND
----------
Go into the Windows 3.1 control panel, select printers, select your Citizen
printer driver, select SETUP, and select a custom size of 850 x 1132. Like
magic, all of your problems will go away.
Ask me no questions and I'll tell you no lies!
-- Mike
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily reflect those of my employer.
========================================================================
------------------------------------------------------------------------
mike.rovak@drd.com
========================================================================
| 2comp.os.ms-windows.misc
|
Dan Schaertel,,, (dps@nasa.kodak.com) wrote:
> Let us go back , oh say 1000 years or so, whatever. Pretend someone says to you
> someday there will be men on the moon. (Now remember, you still think the
> world is flat). This is quite an extraordinary claim.
I think C.S. Lewis has argued that medieval people did not all think the
world is flat.
However, this argument goes both ways. Pretend someone telling Plato that
it is highly probable that people do not really have souls; their minds
and their consciousness are just something their brains make up, and
their brains (their body) is actually ahead of their mind even in
voluntarly actions. I don't think Plato would have been happy with this,
and neither would Paul, although Paul's ideas were quite different.
However, if you would _read_ what we discuss in this group, and not
just preach, you would see that there currently is much evidence in
favour of these statements.
The same applies to the theory of natural selection, or other sacred
cows of Christianity on our origins and human nature. I don't believe
in spirits, devils or immortal souls any more than in gods.
> The fact is we can argue the existence of God until the end of time, there really is no
> way to either prove or disprove it, but there will be a time when we all know the truth.
> I hope and believe I'm right and I hope and pray that you find your way too.
Ah, you said it. You believe what you want to. This is what I had assumed
all along.
> OK maybe I shouldn't have said "no way". I guess I really believe there is
> a way. But all I can do is plant seeds. Either they grow or they don't.
You might be as well planting Satan's seeds, ever thought of this?
Besides, you haven't yet explained why we must believe so blindly,
without any guiding light at all (at least I haven't noticed it).
I don't think this is at all fair play on god's part.
Your argument sounds like a version of Pascal's Wager. Please read the
FAQ, this fallacy is discussed there.
> But
> they won't if they're not planted. The Holy Spirit is the nurishment that
> helps them grow and that comes from God.
And I failed to get help from the HS because I had a wrong attitude?
Sorry, Dan, but I do not think this spirit exists. People who claim to have
access to it just look badly deluded, not gifted.
Petri
--
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!___.'* '.'*' ' . Pihatie 15 C finou.oulu.fi Physics is the Rule of
' *' .* '* SF-90650 OULU kempmp@ the Game.
*' * .* FINLAND phoenix.oulu.fi -> Chemistry is The Game.
| 0alt.atheism
|
tstroup@force.ssd.lmsc.lockheed.com writes in response to my original post:
>First you need to do the literature search. There is a lot of information
>out there. Maybe we should just pick a specific area of long term habitation.
>This could be useful, especially if we make it available on the net. Then
>we can look at methods of analyzing the technologies.
>>Such a detailed literature search would be of interest to
>>ourselves as space advocates
>>and clearly important to existing space programs.
>>In essence, we would be dividing the space life science issues into
>>various technical problems which could be solved with various technologies.
>>This database of acceptable solutions to various problems could form the
>>basis of detailed discussions involving people from the bionet, isunet,
>>and any other source!
>Unless there is an unbelievable outpouring of interest on this on the net,
>I think we should develop a detailed data base of the literature search
>first. Then if we accomplish that we can go on to real analysis. The data
>base itself could be useful for future engineers.
>That's my response Ken, what do you think?
>Tim
Well, I agree. I hope others chime in with suggestions on specific
technologies which could be applied towards the maintenance of an
Earth like atmosphere on a long-duration spacecraft.
Tim et al:
I think we should try looking at atmosphere first.
This seems to be the single most fundamental issue in keeping anyone alive.
We're all taught that when supporting a patient
you look for maintaining airway. So, in keeping with my trauma training
(and keeping my emergency medicine professor happy), I suggest that
we look at the issues surrounding a regenerable atmospheric circuit.
Howz that Tim?
Ken
| 14sci.space
|
In article <1993Apr22.121035.3394@mtroyal.ab.ca> writes:
> >And, while we are on the subject, has a captain ever been traded,
> >resigned, or been striped of his title during the season? Any other
> >team captain trivia would be appreciated.
>
> Brad McCrimmon was the captain of the Flames when he was traded to Detroit
> following the 1989-90 season. This was during the off-season though.
>
> There's countless examples of captains being traded, I'm sure.
Yeah... I think that the Flames and the Flyers traded Captains once... Mel
Bridgeman for Brad Marsh.
Craig
| 10rec.sport.hockey
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