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Well if we minded our own business, then how would we be known as the great states? We donate lots of money, donate our troops at our own costs to help other countries. Even when they don't ask for it. Soon, this will change, we will be the ones needed the help. How can a druggie help another druggie? They can't!

All of the winners I've know or met had something in common-they are educated and they worked. And for the most part they put off having children until they could afford having the little darlings. Additionally, they've reared their children well and those kids have been successful as well. All of the losers I've encountered have not done any of the above. It's not easy to figure out-it's about life's choices.

Occupy? As in declare war? As in takeover and control?

Brewer wants it all her way. Right, Tom?

The point is the jobs have already gone to factories overseas. Now for some reason it is OK for a foreign company to mine our copper and sell it to those overseas factories. We end up buying back our own copper!! Talk about stupid! As for the mine in Superior, that is a reasonable location for a mine. In the Santa Rita mountains near Tucson is not a reasonable location. Yet it is the same situation with the Remount mine, we will be buying back our own copper. A 19th century law still being used in the 21st century does not apply to a global economy. The 19th century law was meant to encourage Americans to make use of our natural resources so that our country could grow and prosper industrially Most of the people wheeling and dealing in copper are looking for a quick buck. there is no guarantee of sustainability.

It's all as murky as the $230 million spent on Rio Nuevo, but at least City Councilman Steve Kozachik sees through it. Steve buddy - now that you're an incumbent - I'd vote against you 1 time only in that way they can't PANDER to big campaign contributors BTW - what did we ACTUALLY GET FOR $230 million stevey??? I REALLY REALLY HOPE FBI charges city council with CRIMES and throws them in jail is that what you want STEVEY???

About a year ago I was rear ended by a driver about my own age (late 50's) who was talking on the phone. He claimed he didn't see myself and about 10 other cars stopped at a crosswalk for a pedestrian. He hit me so hard it tore the engine of my vehicle loose from the motor mounts. In addition, for the whole time we were at the scene including when the Police Officer interviewed him, this fellow was on the phone; approximately an hour and a half.

Obama protects union buddies. That is why we cannot compete globally.

Okay, on the flat screen comments, you're missing the point. It doesn't matter if you can't buy anything other than a flat screen, if you can't afford a dang TV then, dont buy ANYTHING. I'd sell all my TV's to keep my home. I'd sell everything of value, to keep my home. But these bailouts need to stop. They aren't working anyways because 99.9% of people don't qualify for some reason or another.

Phillip B.; everyone with a job , including all Americans, whether Mexican American or Irish American or German American - pay taxes in the State of Arizona. Hope that helps you.

JUst throw her in jail and forget about all her excuses. Time to teach this arrogant little twit some responsibility !!!!

But, obama said: the United States "had gotten a little soft" before he took office and needs to regain its competitive edge in the global economy because opportunities for younger Americans are not as plentiful as they were for their parents. Even Obama didn't blame the GOP and their crusade against wealth distribution. "Even before the financial crisis hit, one of the reasons that I ran for president was that wages, incomes, had flat-lined at the same time that costs were going up," Mr. Obama said, adding "I think people felt that opportunities were becoming more constricted for the next generation." I wonder why this race baiter is making a race issue out of other people's wages. But, he never goes further than to say We believe that opportunity should be more than just an empty word. I wonder if Obama is talking about people like the flea baggers when he talks about people going soft. I am the 99 percent, ha ha. News Flash: You're not going to make CEO wages parked up in the park with a sign and body odor. I would like to use my favorite Animal House quote for them: Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.

Don't forget every member of the media who pimped it up and played cheerleader for the crooked politicians who kept jamming our money into it.

One moronic post among many. This topic was covered immediately after the tragedy by the media. It turns out to be uncommon for members of Congress to have security, and nobody can even imagine where the money would come from for it. But if HW and others don't have anything sensible to post, I guess irrelevancies are the next best thing. Articles like this one that give us details about what has been going on certainly make our cynics look ever more like idiots. They seem to be getting more mean-spirited as we hear increasingly of her progress. Gee, I wonder why.

David M., thank you for cutting-and-pasting Prop 106, I think it is helpful for all of us to see the actual written word. However, I do not think your ability to cut-and-paste puts you in the position of final interpretation authority ... that lies with the courts, where it currently sits. I see nothing in what you have posted that indicates the redistricting goals (items A thru F) are intended to be sequential. Yes, items E and F are qualified "TO THE EXTENT PRACTICABLE", but I do not see that they are necessarily subservient ... somewhat vague and again, a need for analysis by the courts. I freely admit as to my bias ... a bias of political moderation. I pledge to one-and-all that this is my last posting on this topic. The courts will have the final say, and my words will not sway those who disagree with me.

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Well ... I think we can agree that every group/gathering will have its share idiots; but how representative these idiots are of the group's thinking is open for discussion. What is evident is the racist signs, e-mails, etc., were present in teaparty event after event. On the other hand, the OWS is a relatively short-lived event ... so I guess we'll have to see how often the snti-semitic signs appear to judge whether they are an anomaly or a substantive part of the gathering.

Legal process? These people are crossing the borders to work and there is no "legal process" for them. It's a myth that they could fill out some paperwork and then they'd be let in. It doesn't work that way. An unemployed person has a better chance securing a million dollar loan than a campesino has of securing a work permit.

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Yea it's our hard earned money..... we spend $9,421,000 a day in Libya....good thing we have so much money to throw around on designer wars....heehee i'm so excited for the next ones....i salivate at the thought of spending untold billions in Syria and Iran....be the first on your block to sign the check! Arab spring courtesy of the US taxpayers and it's all for the wonderful black gold! So get in your SUV this morning and pat yourself on the back on the way to work!

And a union would be fine too, I think.

AKA; Socialism

Unlike the seatbelt law, a ban on texting ordinance would be a primary enforcement one; meaning if a LEO suspects that you MAY be texting while operating a motor vehicle, they may pull you over without any other reason. It is symbolism over substance and as the Kozachik Weekly Newsletter indicated as well as comments in this report, their motivation has more to do with achieving a bicycle friendly rating more than anything. Wouldn't an education campaign do more to change the dangerous practice of texting while driving than running texters through the cattle yard call City Court?

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Source Please?

The Red Star is the official propaganda arm of Occupy Tucson. They print the John McLain drivel verbatim, and minimize the fact that these folks are breaking the law by occupying the park. The right to free speech and peaceful assembly do not extend to allow breaking the law. I believe these folks need to be told that you are going to go to jail if you don't leave, and this needs to be enforced.

Until the announcement last week that Obama was making cuts, his administration increased NAS spending by $6 billion a year. Yes, he cut Bush's constellation program that had as it's goal a retun of man to the moon, but he expanded other projects that had what many on the independent committe studying the future of NASA ... including some astronauts... thought had better, more practical and more up-to-date goals that would advance science more than Bush's Constellation Program. I am very disappointed in these cuts, but to blame Obama for all the woes of the space program is wrong. Bush was the one who, in 2005 shuttled the shuttle program (pun intended.) On top of that, Renee, my post did not support Obama's decision to make cuts in science. Just the opposite.

A young married co-worker with 2 children was killed by a drunk driver who cross the centerline in a head-on collision. The grief his wife experienced was unbearable. Driving while under the influence is serious regardless if you are a citizen, legal resident, or undocumented migrant. By doing this unlawful act, you draw attention to yourself. The consequences may be deportation.

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Great thoughts horribly presented. Yay for you....

Would not a flat tax be fair? After all, I thought that was the cry that the rich were not paying their "fair share" Flat tax would make people pay the same percentage, whether they make $100 or a million?

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I suppose my, and Fred's point, is that, this newspaper devotes quite a bit of editorial space decrying the excesses and indulgences of the wealthy, with implications that their wealth stems from exploitation of the working class. To turn around, and hype shopping at an upscale retailer just seems incredibly hypocritical.

Maybe she can ask for a cell next to a vacant one waiting for Charlie Sheen. That way they can talk about Tiger blood, Adonis DNA and Mean Girl tactics.

And don't forget the dysentery! lol

Obama's deficit plans run into economic reality You can not propose a $3.7 Trillion with a projected income of $2.6 and claim that you are serious about the debt and that government needs to live within its means

What a sad thing to spend money on when there are so many needs the city and county have. Please kids...think this through before you do this. It's not cool. It's stupid.

Despite population growth in India and China, the U.S. is still head and shoulders above other countries in per capita consumption. We consume ~5 lbs/person of copper on an annual basis....consumption for Indians and Chinese per capita is way less...more like ~1 lb/person or less.

I can recall when they used to do a decent job, but that was long long ago before they were afraid their funding would be cut off and became "fair and balanced" Sad.

I was in San Diego when the first phase of their streetcar project was proposed/begun. Heard the same negative arguments. Suggest people here take a look at it now. The system has expanded east past El Cajon and north to Camp Pendelton/Oceanside. Also runs south past Chula Vista. Heavy ridership and stations at major business and sports venues.

Says a lot about El Paso when a smokestack is the most historically significant building.

you are entitled to your opinion - incorrect as it may be. The DOJ and courts have held to that hierarchical order for quite some time.

Watch the footage from the Oakland OWS crowd. Oakland, being a largely black populous, seemed to be void of many blacks that day, as the majority of the OWS crowd was WHITE! What a shocker!

This guy thinks Godfathers is good pizza and that Burger King is food. The guy organized a hostel takeover against his employer and did so well as CEO of the worst pizza chain in America that his new friends fired him and kicked him off the board. He talks up a storm and he is black though.

This can go a lot of different ways. Truth is, the jobs are being offered at a time when people need them. I've heard the stories as much as everyone else. But I've also known folks who somehow figured out the 'system' and have been there for years and are doing quite well. The #1 Rule for any job is this: "Remember that if our primate ancestors knew that one day we would have Office Politics, they would have written off the opposible thumb as a bad idea". Stay out of the politics. Head down, do job, leave. Follow that formula and you'll be fine.

This is a perfect reason why "None of the above" should be on every local and national election ballot. Anyone losing to none of the above should not be allowed to run for public office ever again.

If ADS wasn't so dreadfully pathetic it would be laughable.

Pat A you make a very good point that our fringe friends ignore and actually deny. In all of history, the President proposes, and Congress disposes. The Democrats have controlled Congress for the last three years, including a veto proof 2009. Every dime spent during the past three years was approved by them. The financial disaster we have today is all theirs. The blame Bush folks are a sorry lot with nothing intelligent to say.

OMG! Are you Serious? To funny..You would have fit right in with the clowns last night at the comedy show in Vegas...

Dang! What a clever smack down! So that's what MP stands for: Master Putdown! I'm truly scorched by your sage wisdom and wit... However, just like I thought; there is no plan, is there?

Old saying: Never mess with an old man. He can't fight you so he'll probably just shoot you.

If Grijalva truly cared about mining in America, especially in his own backyard in Arizona which is rich in many of the minerals mined today, he'd be supporting efforts by Rosemont Copper to open their mine right here in Southern Arizona. Instead he continues to support the endless roadblocks against the mine, the latest one being his letter to the BLM questioning their position. This is a thinly disguised attempt at finding out revenues in order for the Feds to try and glean more revenues to waste. The best thing Grijalva can do the his constituents is to support Rosemont's efforts which will put over 2100 Tucson's to work and bring in millions in needed revenue.

This reminds me of earlier times. I was driving thru the University in my new corvette. The students were yelling capitalist pig at me. I had a business, and worked another full time job, so I earned the right to drive that car. After the ralley, the same students were on the side of the road hitchhiking. Trying to get a ride from the Capitalist Pig they so hated. I had to laugh. You are lucky enough to be in a country where you can chart your own history. Nobody Owes you anything. You earn it by using your brain, and labor. Far too many want it handed to them. Protest all you want, and you have some very good points. Not everything is fair, and don't think for one second someone is going to hand it to you.

Currently Obama seems to be the largest player in crony capitalism (solandra, Fisker, etc.).

Thank you for making my point! You EARN YOUR MONEY IT'S NOT GIVEN TO YOU BY THE GOVERNMENT! OWS thinks all companies or people that make $50,000 or more a year are evil and the only place you should get income from is the all knowing GOVERNMENT HAND OUT OFFICE!

I think the are carefull wording the "no illegal drugs" in her s stem. Some drugs are legal, but not taken as intended.

Sure they do. It's just that they believe if the Government gives companies enough money they will hire (see welfare: multiple children, more money = "economic security")

At least ban texting in the left lane so non texters can pass them. Many texters seem to drive below the speed limit, even if they do keep some control.

Throw the Skank in prison. Her and Paris pulled up along side me at loop 101 and Union Hills about 5 years ago. Nasty little party girls. Brand new Escalade with no plates or temp sticker on the SUV. Laughing their Skank butts off and partying. The crabs were jumping out of the SUV. Nasty.

Americans need to stop thinking that the can solve their problems with the ballot. What good is voting if the onl choice is between the packaging and not the content? I do not or can not know how to solve the problem, but I assert that identification of the problem in the necessar first step. These sham elections are diversions to keep our e es off of the real issue. The real issue being, who... if not us, are our elected officials answerable to? When we, as a whole, narrow that down, then I believe we can make some real progress toward alleviating some of the ills that plague us now.

Thank you Mr. Elias for saying in a few words what most of the people in S. Arizona believe to be true. This mine would be devastating on so many levels. The ignorance of the facts displayed by some in these commentaries is appalling. The very water and air we need to live will be imperiled by this mine! How does a few hundred jobs justify this mine's impact for heaven's sake? Democ a )

Perhaps these "shepards" should preach following the laws of man. No one has the right to break any laws. Anyone is welcome to immigrate to this nation, just follow our laws to do so.

Bill - take a chill pill, dude.

Ironically... participants in the real Tea Party, the one that took place in Boston Harbor, also broke the law when they dumped the tea. Probably after 10:30pm too. Also ironically, some accounts suggest that the British imposed a curfew on the colonists after the Tea Party. Sometimes you just gotta chuckle.

Aversion programs....MORE COSTS to the taxpayers. First time they are caught they should be prosecuted, severe penalties imposed and restitution paid, community service completed or go straigt to jail. The only community service they should to do is many many hours of cleaning up the graffiti scourge that's out there.

Denial & opinion aren't "accurate": House Republican Plan for America's Job Creators Review of Federal Regulations H.Res. 72 - Passed by the House (391-28) on February 11, 2011 The Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act H.R. 872 - Senate has taken no action to date The Energy Tax Prevention Act H.R. 910 - Senate has taken no action to date Disapproval of FCC's Net Neutrality Regulations H.J.Res. 37 - Senate has taken no action to date The Clean Water Cooperative Federalism Act H.R. 2018 - Senate has taken no action to date Consumer Financial Protection & Soundness Improvement Act H.R. 1315 - Senate has taken no action to date Protecting Jobs From Government Interference Act H.R. 2587 - Senate has taken no action to date Transparency In Regulatory Analysis Of Impacts On The Nation H.R. 2401 - Senate has taken no action to date Cement Sector Regulatory Relief Act H.R. 2681 - Senate has taken no action to date EPA Regulatory Relief Act H.R. 2250 - Senate has taken no action to date Coal Residuals Reuse and Management Act H.R. 2273 - Senate has taken no action to date

Yeah but it is easy to raise flat taxes especially sales taxes. Just look how much the sales tax has gone up in conservative AZ. Plays to voter greed. Everyone thinks somebody spends more than they do and will hence pay more.

Lost wages - I do not know about you, but in that same time frame I went from about $12K a year to just over $50K a year. I worked hard to get my education and increase my skills and knowledge. What is stopping you from doing the same except for laziness and an undeserved feeling of being rewarded without effort?

Maybe she can ask for a cell next to a vacant one waiting for Charlie Sheen. That way they can talk about Tiger blood, Adonis DNA and Mean Girl tactics.

"...the Santa Cruz River, our critical lifeline..." News flash Supervisor Elias. The Santa Cruz has been a dried up river for over half a century. The only place where it flows in the Tucson area is downstream of the waste water treatment plants. It is more of an oversized drainage ditch than a "lifeline".

Fitz is right on this one. The commission was created to take politics away from these decisions and Brewer and her cronies are ignoring the will of the people who created this commission. The Republicans are like little spoiled bullies who want all the toys and beat up the other kids if they don't get their way. Too bad the parent is as spoiled and greedy as the little kids. In a radio interview the Governor couldn't even explain what gross misconduct was committed, uh, uh, uh.

When people like Isabel Garcia ignore the word "Illegal" in front of immigrant, entrant, or alien and also attempt to pass off that sneaking over the border is not a crime, it is not surprising that they would also ignore the word, "Theft", in Identity Theft and also attempt to pass of that theft is not a crime.

Democrats' stor line, which is that Republicans hate Obama We got the betterer Mexicans - we educate them with in-state tuition. Hey Texas girl check craigslist for my contact info.

Didn't we vote on this already? What are we voting for then?... The only way our vote is going to mean anything is voting these nuts out!

GOP forget the White House.The President has the Female,Hispanic,African American,Union,Jewish,Gay,Hillbilly,and 30% of the White Male vote.GOP get back to what you do best.Business.America needs jobs.Let the President keep his.Governor Romney and Mr.Cain are both successful businessmen.Time for some new business ventures.How about "Romney's Funeral Parlors" and "Herman's Catfish Parlors"?......"Ashes to ashes,dust to dust,buy a Romney vault,you'll never rust." Co-venture with Hermans Catfish,serve Catfish & Heineken at the wakes..

There is an excellent article in US News by Mort Zuckerman Poor results. But Obama's problems are more than a question of style. There is doubt aroused on substance. He sets deadlines and then lets too many pass. He announces a strategic review of Afghanistan, describing it as "a war of necessity," only to become less sure to the point that he didn't even seem committed to the policy that he finally announced. As for changing politics in Washington, he assigned the drafting of central legislative programs not to cabinet departments or White House staff but to the Democratic congressional leadership of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, the very people so mistrusted by the public. Who could be surprised that the critical bills—the stimulus program and healthcare—degenerated under a welter of pork and earmarks that had so outraged the American public in the past?

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...I'm beginning to believe this guy wouldn't know a good job if it bit him in the butt...

I have been a Republican all my life but on election day I will be voting for Baker. Romero is clueless and I encourage Republicans to plug their nose and vote for a Green Party member at this time.

I'll just bet he does. One problem: he is the CEO. What he is asking Americans to do, is like the lunch room worker attacking the janitor, for the company going under. Please grow up Obama and take some responsibility for what you have done. At least apologize for your ignorance before we replace you. And we will replace you, in November. Take Pelosi, Reid and Obamacare with you. Our economy cowered at the thought of Obamscare being made law. Let's hope it's not.

The city can't manage parking meter money.....how the heck can you trust them with something like this?

Lenny Pitts, perpetuating racism one article at a time.

license to break the law. LOL It is perfectly legal to carry a gun in a Tucson City Park. It is not legal to stay after curfew.

dark sk ies, dry climate, and good "optical seeing." More of a "threat" is the additional light pollution added by the greater Tucson area everytime we have another growth spurt. I never heard a peep when the Green Valley and the Vail areas were developing like wildfire a few years back. But now, because there is a project being proposed that you don't like it becomes an issue....???? Typical hypocracy coming from the anti-mine crowd.

Open your eyes. These patriotic MARINES served multiple tours of duty AND are part of the 99% Marine Vet at #OccupyWallStreet OWS: Marine keeps it real "They are US Citizens" Military at #occupywallstreet SO much for your assumptions, huh?

Lesson: don't tick off the guys with the fighter-bombers.

Great idea, makes so much sense. If you take a rational look at our health delivery "system" the fact we have people with ear aches, the flu, sinus infections etc going to hospital emergency rooms is insane.

If you were from here you would know that Tucson's golf courses use treated waste water (as in potty water). Better treated water be used by the golf courses than Tucsonans being forced to drink potty water after our water supplies are depleted and contaminated by foreign owned

FWIW, I won't eat there... However, I don't feel it is completely just to blame the health dept. for not shutting them down sooner. In any consumer based industry there is a always a sucker to be taken. Here in Pima County we have the avaliability to look up the health inspection reports of restaurants before we visit. If you choose not to, then you're a sucker, You're not researching your purchsae. A purchase that could potentially affect your health adversely. Even though you cannot not always see the details, you can see when the last inspection was and if it they passed/failed, etc. These are the same type of people who would trust their health to a physician without even looking up the Medical Board to see if their has been any board actions against said physician... Like I said, I woudn't eat there based on the issues. I don't know whether or not this establisment should have been shut down b/c I don't know the details of each inspection. I think it is unfair to make judgements without knowing all the details... As far as the bacteria comment, I was just poking a little fun at someone else's silly comment. Oh,and FYI, I had bought their Group On Deal a few weeks back. I requested a refund for the certificate from Group On explaining the situation and I recieved a full refund promptly. Just any case any of you were wondering!

Good fo o Thoma ! Finding a niche ma ke i h an o iginal idea!

It ain't working. Issa is going to have him for lunch as soon as he finishes Holder for breakfast.

What is the difference with your children playing at the McDonald's playground and a public park playground? Either you have food at MdD's or you are doing a picnic at a park. And, either way, you are exposing everyone to germs. Like an earlier posting from r.w. said..."WASH YOUR HANDS WITH SOAP AND WATER BEFORE YOU EAT"!

...I'm sure there's other places in arizona where there's copper veins and no people living.

Then there's this gem: Kitty litter cake

People opposed to the mine-honest answer to an honest question. How many of you have seen where this mine is? TU-been to actual mine site, TD- have not seen the mine site.

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Did it drop under Bush, who promised his programs would eliminate the debt?

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so you'll have no cash - only debit - as issued by the redistribution district - no card, no chip inplant, no compuskingraph interface no food, banking, job, buying, work, car, travel, zip nothing.. the brave new world of b'ig brother running the world' according to him. Won't be long, buckle up.