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This would be a good thing if it were to replace food stamps and food banks, but it won't.

It's hard to know if the reporter, Carmen Duarte, is serious by quoting Solare or poking fun, as the above pronouncement is so ditzy. Inasmuch as it has any meaning, the alternative to an "economic world" is a stone age world. The modern world has actually saved more lives than destroyed them, as witnessed by the growth of population from non-economic times to today.

The councilman makes the same point I made in a recent comment. The City only loses money on this deal, if they could actually rent the 100 spaces in question, which they cannot. Under circumstances, downtown parking-space deal was

Really Jack? O wait . Really Jack????????? Bill sounds like a normal concerned citizen to me. He and are the kind of folks that are worried about this country, and you are picking on his ?????????'S ??

How is a 5,000 acre mining project going to destory an entire mountain range? It's simply not possible.

Gorge Carlin's insights foreshadowed Occupy Wall Street. This is as close to the truth about the way things are as you'll find. You can watch this on youtube, but reading the words seems even more powerful. Thanks to this blogger for posting this online. There’s a reason that education sucks, and it’s the same reason it will never ever ever be fixed. It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it. Be happy with what you’ve got. Because the owners of this country don’t want that. I’m talking about the REAL owners now: the big, wealthy, business interests that control all things and make the big decisions. Forget the politicians, they’re irrelevant. Politicians are put there to give you that idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land, they own and control the corporations, and they’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the State Houses, and the City Halls. They’ve got the judges in their back pockets. And they own all the big media companies so they control just about all the news and information you get to hear. They’ve got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want; they want more for themselves and less for everybody else. But I’ll tell you what they don’t want: they don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interest. You know something, they don’t want people that are smart enough to sit around their kitchen table and figure out how badly they’re getting f***ed by a system that threw them overboard 30 f***ing years ago. They don’t want that, you know what they want? They want obedient workers, obedient workers. People who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork and just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly sh***er jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and the vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And now they’re coming for your social security money. They want your ****ing retirement money; they want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later because they own this f***ing place. It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the Big Club. By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you in the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted folks, the game is rigged. Nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care. Good honest hard working people, white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a f*** about them. They don’t give a f*** about you. They don’t give a f*** about you! They don’t care about you at all. At all. At ALL. And nobody seems to notice… nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on, the fact that Americans are and will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white, and blue d**k that’s being jammed up their a**holes everyday. Because the owners of this country know the truth, it’s called the American Dream… because you have to be asleep to believe it.

Really...it's really going to happen... $63M in US funds make streetcar a go Transportation Director Jim Glock said the city hopes to finish building plans for the first two segments by early fall in order to get a contractor on the job by the end of the year. He hopes to have final plans for the other two segments done within six months. "Now that we have the funding in place, everything will jell," Glock said. That was February. 2010.

Asked what the administration envisions for the troubled U.S. economy, the vice president replied: "A continuation of what we're doing now, which is to stimulate the economy, which is to continue to focus on infrastructure by giving tax breaks to small businesses." If at first your $860,000,000,000 doesnt do a thing, try, try again. Maybe another $trillion could be used to hire some ACORN workers & some SEIU thugs to "guard" the polls and guarantee Democrat victories.

"It is vital for our economy to change how health care works in this country," Obama said Friday at a town hall meeting in a high school gym. "Don't let the American people go another year, another 10 years, another 20 years without health insurance reform in this country." Funny, because immediately after it says: "The president's plea for his top domestic priority, which faces an uncertain fate after nearly a year of work in Congress" A year of work in the Democrat controlled Congress... but now that they actually need R votes and need to pretend to be bipartisan... now it can't wait. Oh and now the President will put out his detailed plan....

Some 44,000 people were deported from the United States... Not sure if "removing" less than 0.5% of the problem is effective.

Who allowed these last liberals on these posts ???? We had it going so good without them messing things up !!!!! As is TYPICAL !!!!!!!!!!

Beryl Baker? Yea that is all we need. We will all be required to plant a blue palo verde tree and keep a desert toad in our yards.

The banks have paid all the money back! They did not want to be under Obama's thumb. The real problem was the Obama bailout of Crysler and GM. The taxpayers have lost millions and the only winners were the United Auto Workers who got a large part of the business for nothing.

A couple years ago the police caught a group of taggers in the act near our midtown neighborhood. After that the graffiti problems were drastically reduced. I am certainly in agreement with others that offenders be made to clean up graffiti as a community service.

Those we have definite proof of TRAINING young people to be the next generation of fearful hate mongers are those who those who teach M.A.S. classes at TUSD. One only needs to look at what has happened at the last Governing Board meetings regarding M.A.S. and how Mark Stegeman was ousted as president of the Tucson Unified School District Governing Board by those around him to see some of the examples of this program's fear mongering and hate. Anyone else who hates

Occupy Tucson organizer John McLane said protesters were frustrated as they mulled over a proposition to move to the Z Mansion, 288 N. Church Ave . . . . Sure hope the couples that have scheduled their weddings there aren't gonna mind the expanded guest list.

In other restaurant news, Mr. An farted at his restaurant yesterday evening and the ADS did NOT cover it. What's up with that?

Texting and checking smartphones near constantly including while driving is an addictive behavior. We all know we shouldn't do it--that our concentration is not fully on the important task of driving when we're checking phone or email messages. We do it anyway and have had more than one close call. N'est pas? Just put the devise/gadget in the trunk if you can't control the urge. I know one person who does this as he knows he'll be tempted otherwise. You'll prevent a fender bender at the very least and save yourself some trouble. On the other extreme, full concentration could have prevented a full-scale tragedy like the 2008 Metrolink 111 train wreck in Chatsworth, California that killed 25 and injured many.

You can serve Seafood. She will bring the Crabs.

The real crooks are the congress who we elect who allow themselves to be bought off by the rich who pay them. Are both not equally guilty? Yes but the congress man who is supposed to look out for us is twice guilty for betraying our trust. Instead of protesting just wall st, they should also be holding congress's feet to the fire. How about govt.deals made for pelosi's husband's benefit, or the latest senator whose son benefited from another such green deal. And whether they are dems or repubs,black or white they must be held accountable. We continue to give them a pass,we deserve what we get...betrayal!

Sandra says Is this really your viewpoint or did you get this somewhere else? Can you give us some specifics that support this claim?

Wonder what this University is like. I doubt they'd offer many courses on stuff like climatology, fine art, English lit, or psychology. Probably no sports scholarships. Not golf, anyway. Could you get like a Bachelors in vest-bomb design with a minor in journalism?

What isn't said is that probably at least 90% of these traffic violators could righteously have been charged with Social Security fraud or identity theft or a host of other serious crimes.

"I pledge alligence to the flag of the United States of America, and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands..." The USA is supposed to be a Republic dispite what Progressives say.

This I agree, it's nice to come home to the smell of something cooking in the crockpot.

I am unable to find any biographical information on the candidates that are on the ballot for TUSD governing board 11-8-2011 election. The Pima County site only show the 3 candidates running for election in the Sunnyside School District. There is NO information on the TUSD official site. Why not?

Yes, I see your point now. I find those people holding anti-Semitic signs just as despicable as the racist sign holder at the TP protests. Thank God there are only a few of these idiots on each side. Luckily, I've never judged the many on the actions of the few.

Not true, I have several family members and friends who live in California and they think we're crazy for not banning texting and talking without a hands free device here. CHP enforces those laws very well and the fines are steep.

I have no right to complain, but I will anyway. Why isn't there a Republican running against her?

I'll believe it when I see it! It sa s it's an "independent review", et the banks decide if the 'll compensate. Sorr , I laughed out loud when I read this! I filed a complaint with the Attorne General's office regarding m foreclosure. The banks had to respond, ou wouldn't believe the BS the replied. All to cover their butts! What a joke! Millions of homeowners are eligible for foreclosure review - S o Commen

So Steve K has time for this, but he and/or his "staff" can't seem to find the time to respond to constituant requests for inforamtion or assistance with Ward related issues - Thanks Steve. And "Yes", texting while driving is stupid and dangerous, but if there's enforcement options already available, another law is unnecessary. Laws without enforcement are meaningless. There are laws against vandalism/graffiti, but little or no fear of enforcement leaves us with a community all too obviously a taggers playground.

Leave it to our legislators NOT to pass a law re texting or in fact using cell phone while driving. Taking it to the local level is the only way to make use of both while driving illegal.

Very articulate statement here. Your argument implies that royalty free mining is good for us. Care to donate your front yard?

I tweet that she is a drug addled skank and needs to be sentenced to a life of obscurity.

So you saying no matter where you mine, one would "rape and pillage their countryside, home, so that the companies that need copper for their products will have a supply".

Maybe they should 'consult 'Wall Guy on how to properly go green.

Shouldn't the headline read, "Illegally sneaking into foreign nations will rip your family apart."

Just curious what the difference in the cost would be to install / enact the use of say Hybrid or Electric "state of the art" buses along the same line with the same carrying capacity. Does the sheer fact that this is a "streetcar" line create some aura of romance or enhanced demand for ridership? This project sounds very expensive for the number of riders who will be using them. I also have doubts about the streetcars ability to cohabitate with traffic and pedestrians on this route...litigation may be the result of the many physical encounters and thus, even higher costs of operation.

Earl, still waiting for a reply to my answer? Why should I not be allowed an opinion, especially since I have lived around the mines for over 40 years? When Pima County tried to rezone land in Canoa Ranch, I was opposed to the higher density development and went to meetings to vocalize my opinion. Should I have not been allowed to do so since I own a business?

Somehow I think the people who do not have a job in the area and believe they could find work at the mine would strongly disagree with Mr. Elias.

She certainly does..So do you, Bob.

Or, republicans can prove their rhetoric and abstain in the President's Jobs Plan vote, allowing it to pass. That would prove one way or the other the effectiveness of the Plan. If Unemployment DOESN'T go down and employment numbers DON'T go up, then you have a valid claim to the car keys; however, if unemployment DOES go down and employment numbers DO go up, then ... NO YOU CANNOT, IN THIS LIFE TIME, GET THE KEYS TO THE CAR AGAIN. Republicans ... put your NO where you money is.

A well replacement agreement is already in effect with well owners near the proposed mine. It was negotiated on behalf of the local well owners in part owing to the efforts of Hugh Holub, water attorney.

Arizona has enough problems with drugs coming illegally through the border, without a bunch of weed-heads voting for "medical marijuana". Our Governor and Attorney General are correctly being cautious and protecting Arizona.

...heard the latest? Those nuckleheads in the House have a new bill HR4646 designed to impose a tax everytime you use your credit/debit cards. NOT NO BUT HELL NO...

AS we all know from the SB 1070 debacle federal laws trump state laws. Accordingly, controlled substances are ultimately enforced by federal controlled substances laws found in Title 21 of the U.S. Code. Pursuant to these federal laws marijuana is listed as a schedule I substance, meaning it is highly addictive and has no medicinal value. Thus the manufacture, transportation, distribution, dispersing and possession thereof is illegal under federal laws (Title 21 USC 841). The state has no legal authority to circumvent federal laws in order to create a so-called medical marijuana law, by legislative, executive, judicial or electorate means. Any business or person violating the aforementioned laws would be subject to federal prosecution. As for overturning or subverting the people's will, the majority vote, I would guess that many of the same proponents of medical marijuana laws are also proponents of gay marriage. The article accuses Brewer and Horne of doing the same thing that an activist judge in Kalifornia did with the Prop 8 issue. One judge subverted the majority vote of a state democratic election. So think about it, are you really for states' rights, or are you for pursuing progressive ideologies?

Guess again - Most of Obama's money — 98%, according to the campaign — came from small donations of $250 or less. In the last three months, more than 600,000 people gave money to the reelection effort.

This Marxist "fairness" dribble loses validity if one looks at the definition of "fairness". In a nut shell, it focuses on being treated equally. So what is fair or "equal" about making people who earn more pay a higher percentage of their earned income than those who don't? The left like to claim that the rich are greedy yet who is more greedy than the one demanding that which he has not earned?

How do you start the article with someones opinion in the headlines???? How unprofessional and biased is that? Just report the news, thats YOUR job; the opinion thing is someone elses JOB. Grow up ADS.

People, especially the clearly politically biased Ms. Cox, get real. You need to understand the concept of "conflict of interest". Vote against Rothchild if you do not believe he'll make a good mayor or do a good job, but not because of an alleged conflict of interest, which simply does not exist. If he in fact has given up his interest in his law firm and does in fact resign if he's elected mayor, there is no conflict of interest, plain and simple.

Drew L Only the super rich? Who decides who's super rich? Let me guess? The super rich like George Soros, John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi... Yea right!

A plan to warehouse your parents - or yourself - pay now; warehouse later - sounds like a great future gov't program... NOT

Thanks for the compliment.

Boy, the az daily star sure has been covering EVERYTHING grijalva has been doing the last couple months. damned if i can figure out why. the only thing stranger than that is grijalva acting like him and Giffords has been buds every since she was injured, which the star has reported on his comments everytime he opens his mouth. guess the grijalva has the star in his pocket for some reason.

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And yet crack addicted baby making criminals still get MY money!! This is disgusting! We reward irresponsibility and cut scientific research. In what world is this correct?? Can you bleeding hearts not see how backwards YOU are? How do you sleep at night knowing that the greatest nation in the world no longer has a space program yet criminal scum get MY money? What is wrong with you "people"??? Is this the hope and change??? Yeah, change for the worst! Where we reward laziness, irresponsibility and disgusting criminals. Keep your change! I want my nation back! You people are SO messed up! We need to wipe liberalism off the face of the planet! Get out and vote these losers out completely! Disgusting!

The jerk doesn't listen nor has a clue. What a train wreck!

You know, I have lived here for most of my life and I have never been to Sabino Canyon. For the life of me I cannot imagine a dam up there.

Wow look at Obama trying to move himself away from the far left and get back in touch with America. That dog wont hunt Obama ... your have shown your true colors and voters have noticed.

Maybe the emphasis should be to get the students past a 7th grade reading level before they graduate high school to prep them for entrance into PCC.

Have teleprompter...will travel. Obama's still on the campaign trail. (I wonder how many cadets he'll put to sleep this time?) I hope we can survive this man! "I can see November from my living room!"

....they are no worse than the broken record of your side's illegal alien pandering comments about Americans being all racists, xenophobes, anti-immigrant, anti-Mexican, Mexican haters, and the rest of the ad nauseam scripted comments you LaRaza worshippers dish out!

Do NOT waste my tax money on something that the taxpayers have already approved--just because it doesn't turn out the way you want it to. Very typical of far right or far left thinking.

Also, those buses weigh more than cars and some trucks, plus take longer to slow down when applying the breaks, so all you need is some driver not paying attention because of texting or talking on a cellphone to getting into an accident as that could be some damage.

and about 70 peacefully marched through downtown streets Makes you wonder why the adjective was added for this march, and when the TEA Party marched it was not used. Politics?

Which Jose are you referring to? There are at least three of them here: Jose T., Jose S. and Jose W.

Everyone should pay taxes. If you decided to get married and have a family knowing you are unable to support them (i.e. get them covered on health care) then maybe you should re- evaluate your situation. It's called personal responsiblity. Also, if you don't like the wage that you are earning, then do something about it. Nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to work there.

They have the choice of not being in the park, of leaving and coming back. For peacable assembley, they can also go through the same process that everyone else went through (such as the Tea Party assembley) of applying for and receiving a permit and also of paying the extra money for off-duty police and trash clean-up. What they actually want, while protesting about monetary equality, is that they be treated as special and not equal under the law, which is typical of their ilk.

Even cheap food is expensive now... I went into a locally owned/operated McDonalds recently being in a hurry and realized that for about the same and even less money as a garbage burger meal and perhaps a few minutes more wait time I could get a fresh cooked not shipped frozen by truck meal at any number of non franchise restaurants nearby... where I wouldn't have to put up with flies and disgustingly dirty tables either.

I love how there appear to be so many blogs but the truth be known I am the first. Sad The main part of the argument is WHAT PROGRESS? A record deficit is that progress? I do not think so.

For the holier-than-thou who TP'ers who claim they are are sugar and spice: ...attendees of Tea Party marches using vile, antagonistic racial slurs & images. there's more: You would have to blind and deaf not to see the Tea Party racism. And more: Scroll down about a 3rd way down.

What about the real American workers that were cheated out of an opportunity to work at a profession that supposedly "only illegals are willing to do"? How do you pay those people back? I know of one young man who was quite competent at dry wall work yet couldn't find a job opening so he ended up living with his mother-in-law and drawing welfare to feed his family. Oh, but some say we shouldn't be concerned about him or others like him. We are heartless for not "wanting and supporting" so-called undocumented immigrants? I look at it the other way around and I think it is heartless to support those that violate immigration and employment laws. The victims are American workers prevented from gaining employment and lawful well-intentioned immigrants-in-waiting that are waiting to join our ranks lawfully and become REAL AMERICANS not just temporary guests to earn a better wage for a while and sending their earnings out of country instead of it being spent here to help our local retail economy.

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Clinton had the definition of 'is'. Cain is 'settlement' v. 'agreement'. Politicians think we all be dumb.

The really cool part of this is that the "Undocumented Invaders" have all the reason in the world to become Perfect at obeying the rest of the laws and not getting into auto accidents. A documented foreignor will not be deported for a simple Speeding Ticket (as long as he pays the fine). Only people here illegaly have that to fear.

There are some in this community who look at area s mines as just see an ugly hole in the ground. When I look at the area s mines, I see the wealth, opportunity and prosperity these mining operations bring to our community. Mining is one of the basic industries, which forms the foundation of modern society. Without these basic industries, modern society would simply not exist.

to Tucson. Well said. 2x TU

The only law that needs to be passed is stopping special interest groups from bribing (escuse me, I mean "contributing") to candidates.

Those of us who know Grinnell from the past know there are much worse conflicts with him becoming mayor. He hasn't exactly kept his nose clean.

Marty, I'm curious, where did you get the idea that pot is being smoked in classrooms? Could you provide some kind of evidence that it's happening or that the Star advocates it?

[quote=Patricia R. (lucianvista)]Stop believing that anti gov baloney, Regulations and taxes did not close them down, their greed and taking out huge loans to pay for their lifestyles did. The restaurant was paid for cash decades ago. The kids of the original owners used the restaurant as a cash cow. Too bad 20 years ago it was great. No pride in what their parents and grandparents built up. [/quote If you only knew what you were talking about you would be dangerous. I have been friends with the family for over 20 yrs and i grew up with those kids. let me tell you, no one has given more and taken less then them. The misconception is that business owners are greedy, rich and care about no one but themselves. This could be the furthest from the truth. So please, before you leave comments condemning the owners, know what your talking about first.

Oh look at all of the people who don't live in Ward 1 complaining about Regina Romero. I live in Ward 1 and whenever there is a public event, Regina is there. She talks to anyone who has a concern. When a huge pothole opened in my street, I called her office and it was taken care of within a week. The usual crowd of nagging Nellies on here, who don't know what they are talking about.

The wa mone is being spend now and with obama's "new" jobs bill it won't be long before we are them.

And if the titans of finance - alarmed and uneasy about the demonstrators 40 or 50 floors below - are looking for a quick, easy and socially responsible means to make them go away, here's one: Hire them. Introducing the Goldman Sachs Bongo Quartet....

Western Capitalism has fail the America people.

A job is a job. Especially with such high unemployment. It's not like Convergys is a new company that just moved in. They have been established here for a long time. The fact that they are hiring 100 people is a significant boost to the local unemployed. If nothing else, it will definitely bring in a paycheck until when or if a better job comes along. If I weren't lucky enough to already have a job, I would definitely be applying. For that matter I would happily work at McDonald's if that's what it would take to bring home a paycheck.

I will be much happier when they are deported for being here ILLEGALLY. Not because they were caught committing their 2nd, 3rd or 4th crime, but for being here ILLEGALLY!

Why are they ending this and why have they not incorporated drug testing into also?

So then we could hire illegals to do them....

Perry-Romney,2012? Protestant-preaching-pistol-packing-Perry and his sidekick Jingle$! Maybe Mitt can get the Tabernacle choir for the inauguration,they're great! Their version of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" is of another world! Brilliant! Now only if the President could get Hillary to run for VP..............Anyone seen Michael Buffer?

I hope they take into consideration District 7. One should not because of ethnic backround be able to rally support because of the district mostly Mexican population. There are other nationalities that live in district and are homeowners but we feel as though we are not represented if we want issues that would go against what Grijalva wants.I believe he would have lost the last election and rightfully so for asking for a boycott if it wasn't for his Hispanic following mostly in Pima county. So I hope they look at this and change the district so its not geared towards on group of people. He is suppose to represnt all people and the way the district is set up he doesn't and he knows he will get the hispanic votes what about us that live in the district. We should have a voice to. Change District 7

It wasn't Pitts that "pick[s] and choose[s] under which circumstances the Constitution applies" and THAT is the problem that Pitts is highlighting. And ou have a problem with that? His commenting on the racial disparit in no wa makes white males more subject to the adverse treatment.

Ask the farmers in Yuma who lost half of their harvest since the migrant workers can't come here anymore without a load of hassle. If they're stealing all of those American jobs, why can't the farmers find workers to harvest? Please, get real! What the migrant workers have done for decades now, very few Americans want to do for work. The #1's in the world are way too high and mighty for such menial jobs.

Where's Sheriff Bud Boomer, Deputy Honey, and a bit of "Canadian Bacon" action when we need it?

We voted for this commission because we wanted fairness. You can see how our vote meant nothing to our supposed reps. Support the OWS movement for economic, and political change. Politicians will only listen when their money and power is threatened. Voting doesn't seem to matter much in AZ.

Bummer !

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Great column....nailed the sentiment of many long time Tucsonans. And to add to Brodesky's laments, 'If only we had Gronkowski last year' and 'If only Nick Folk was still here'

Don't forget the obscenity of these peoples taxpayer salaries: Walker $230,000.00 plus benefits and 'travel'. Vaughn $180,000.00 plus benefits and 'travel'. Moulton $108,000.00 plus benefits and car. TAXPAYER PAID. EVERYBODY GOT THAT? Happy trails. Back to hating.

I don't pretend to know what Mr. Obama will do, but I do see the precedents these people are seeing. Obamacare and the Supercongress come immediately to mind.