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https://www.youtube.com/embed/YnFEIDvTvtc?modestbranding=1&loop=1&start=771&end=775
in what we might describe as a kind of progressive
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or liberal vision of state power
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that involved nonpartisan service,
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that involved career service to the government, that involved the use of science
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and expertise to serve the public good.
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And on the other hand, he was, throughout this whole time,
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a really deep ideological conservative
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on questions of race, on questions of religion,
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on questions of law and order, and above all,
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which is really the big theme of Hoover's life.
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And I think what fascinated me about his story
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into a career that lasted for a very, very long time.
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which is really the moment that the FBI gets his power,
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but used those tools really to serve a variety
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of conservative causes in the end
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and made those two pieces work together.
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So that's sort of the political puzzle of the book.
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to Hoover was simply the opportunity
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to reinterpret a figure that actually hadn't been
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revisited in a very long time.
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since the last round of Hoover biographies.
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which was, I will admit, in 2009, so about 13 years ago,
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even then it was clear not only that Hoover was in many ways ripe for reinterpretation,
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and it seemed like an opportunity to delve into those.
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that I think really help us to rethink some of the ways
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some of them through the Freedom of Information Act,
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others that were released in a routine way by the FBI.
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So I am, you know, in my core really a kind of archive nerd, a history nerd. I love sitting
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there with these giant piles of files trying to figure out things that we didn't know before.
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And I will say the amount of information available about a figure like Hoover
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is both part of the appeal of writing this book, which
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And of course, is one of the big challenges of doing it.
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How do you not read absolutely everything,
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And of course, in Hoover's case, that basic problem
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of expansive but limited research
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ran a very, very secretive bureaucracy.
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And so many of those files are, even today,
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51 years after his death, are still redacted,
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are hard to access, are hard to figure out.
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So I'd be happy to talk more about that research project
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as it evolved over the period that I worked on it
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But all told, those variety of factors, the political puzzle
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of the 20th century, and then the wealth of new material that
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was available made me think that this was a good moment
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to revisit this figure that I think has been and still is a household name, but who has
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been a pretty one-dimensional figure in lots of ways. And my goal in writing a biography of him
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was not only to intervene in this set of academic conversations, but to really sort of take him
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from where he's been, which is this one-dimensional figure sort of seen as this rogue actor in American history, and really bring him
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back into a more complicated story about the 20th century, and really bring him
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back into the center of things and to the center of a political story about
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this period of time. Because while we tend to think of him as someone
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that everyone loves to hate, there are very few people in our own day and age
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who want to claim a figure like Hoover. Nonetheless, during his lifetime he was
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enormously popular, he was enormously influential, and of course any one of
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Democrats, four Republicans, could have fired him at any moment and did not. And
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so the story of his longevity, his popularity, the sources of his support is
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also a piece of his story that I wanted to tell in this book, and I think in many
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ways maybe the most counterintuitive piece of that story,
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given how widely hated and condemned he is in our own day.
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So I wanted to take a few minutes now and just put
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a little more detail onto this story of Hoover,
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run relatively quickly through the sections of the book
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so you can get a sense of the kind of amazing scope
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So this is a real birth to death biography.
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one of the advantages of the biographical form
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I did not try to upend the biographical form.
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Wearing a dress, his baby photo.
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But Hoover is a child of Washington, D.C. He was born in Washington, D.C. in 1895 and he never left.
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He's born there in 1895, he dies there in 1972, and his biography really is a story about Washington DC, what that
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city meant and how it changed over the course of his lifetime. And during his
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early years I think there are two themes that are really important for his future
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development. The first is that he was born into a world of government
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He was born on Capitol Hill, just a few blocks
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in the late 19th century had decades of service
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to the federal government in the sort of professionalized end
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that really were part of the federal civil service at that point.
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The government in the late 19th century, particularly the executive branch, is much, much smaller
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and has many fewer duties than what we are accustomed to today.
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His father was sort of a mid-level civil servant,
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and it was what Hoover saw all around him.
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Washington, DC, as the national capital
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of which is that Washington DC residents could not vote.
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government or in federal elections.
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So Hoover was not only born into this tradition of civil service,
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stood sort of proudly apart from partisanship
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that was a world of career service
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and in which he had very little access
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to any sort of democratic participation.
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critical for understanding where he came from and who he became. The other piece
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that's really critical is that he was born into Washington that was
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essentially a conservative southern city in the late 19th century. It was a city
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that was actively undergoing a process
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of racial segregation, had been a pretty multiracial city
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in the mid and late 19th century,
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He went to segregated public schools in Washington, DC,
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and then he went on to a segregated private university,
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under the Wilson administration was precisely the moment
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and actively segregating federal employment
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So these two pieces, this government service tradition,
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a tradition of racial conservatism,
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