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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
that we might not have intended
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that some of the concerns about AGI safety come.
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You give it some goal that seems completely harmless.
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And then before you realize it,
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it's also trying to do these other things
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which you didn't want it to do.
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And it's maybe smarter than us.
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So it's fascinating.
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And let me pause just because I am in a very kind
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of human centric way, see fear of death
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as a valuable motivator.
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So you don't think, you think that's an artifact
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of evolution, so that's the kind of mind space
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evolution created that we're sort of almost obsessed
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about self preservation, some kind of genetic flow.
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You don't think that's necessary to be afraid of death.
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So not just a kind of sub goal of self preservation
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just so you can keep doing the thing,
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but more fundamentally sort of have the finite thing
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like this ends for you at some point.
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Interesting.
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Do I think it's necessary for what precisely?
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For intelligence, but also for consciousness.
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So for those, for both, do you think really
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like a finite death and the fear of it is important?
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So before I can answer, before we can agree
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on whether it's necessary for intelligence
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or for consciousness, we should be clear
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on how we define those two words.
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Cause a lot of really smart people define them
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in very different ways.
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I was on this panel with AI experts
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and they couldn't agree on how to define intelligence even.
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So I define intelligence simply
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as the ability to accomplish complex goals.
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I like your broad definition, because again
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I don't want to be a carbon chauvinist.
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Right.
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And in that case, no, certainly
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it doesn't require fear of death.
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I would say alpha go, alpha zero is quite intelligent.
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I don't think alpha zero has any fear of being turned off
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because it doesn't understand the concept of it even.
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And similarly consciousness.
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I mean, you could certainly imagine very simple
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kind of experience.
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If certain plants have any kind of experience
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I don't think they're very afraid of dying
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or there's nothing they can do about it anyway much.
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So there wasn't that much value in, but more seriously
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I think if you ask, not just about being conscious
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but maybe having what you would, we might call
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an exciting life where you feel passion
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and really appreciate the things.
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Maybe there somehow, maybe there perhaps it does help
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having a backdrop that, Hey, it's finite.
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No, let's make the most of this, let's live to the fullest.
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So if you knew you were going to live forever
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do you think you would change your?
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Yeah, I mean, in some perspective
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it would be an incredibly boring life living forever.
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So in the sort of loose subjective terms that you said
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of something exciting and something in this
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that other humans would understand, I think is, yeah
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it seems that the finiteness of it is important.
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Well, the good news I have for you then is
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based on what we understand about cosmology
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everything is in our universe is probably
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ultimately probably finite, although.
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Big crunch or big, what's the, the infinite expansion.
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Yeah, we could have a big chill or a big crunch
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or a big rip or that's the big snap or death bubbles.
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All of them are more than a billion years away.
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So we should, we certainly have vastly more time
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than our ancestors thought, but there is still
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it's still pretty hard to squeeze in an infinite number
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of compute cycles, even though there are some loopholes
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that just might be possible.
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But I think, you know, some people like to say
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that you should live as if you're about to
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you're going to die in five years or so.
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And that's sort of optimal.
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Maybe it's a good assumption.
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We should build our civilization as if it's all finite
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to be on the safe side.
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Right, exactly.
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So you mentioned defining intelligence
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as the ability to solve complex goals.
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Where would you draw a line or how would you try
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to define human level intelligence
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and superhuman level intelligence?
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Where is consciousness part of that definition?
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No, consciousness does not come into this definition.
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So, so I think of intelligence as it's a spectrum
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but there are very many different kinds of goals
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you can have.
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You can have a goal to be a good chess player
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a good goal player, a good car driver, a good investor
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good poet, et cetera.
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So intelligence that by its very nature
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