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of want to build out something similar to what you've built out as well so I'm open to absolutely any advice you have for me any kind of feedback if you think I can improve in any aspect I'm all yours and this is something I've wanted to ask you since 2015 when I first saw you I'll tell you I I look at what you're doing and I'm astounded I don't have I think I don't have really any feedback other than to say congratulations and keep we're on hard I mean that's literally I think that everything you're doing you're on the right track and you are so far ahead of me when I was your age that like Who am I to give you advice right you are figuring this out and and you're gonna make mistakes the only advice I would say is is don't beat yourself up and just you know understand that the process is going to require you to you know have those those breakdowns and and when you do it's okay you know don't
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and when you do it's okay you know don't beat yourself up but just get back you know get your minds straight and focus then and continue helping people and and moving in the right direction but you're doing such a good job I think that you know your journey is is one you're just getting started brother oh thank you thank you and you know I I will be pestering you in the future on like maybe some personal phone calls the next time I'm feeling low about something but man I cannot thank you enough for doing this episode not just from the perspective that you did it but we've wanted to do these kind of podcasts for a while I just needed to find my first hustler would be ready to set up on their end so here's the deal now we're gonna have to do another one for my podcast that I'm about to start and and yeah this is just so much fun when you when your team reached out to me I was like automatically I was like yes whatever he
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I was like automatically I was like yes whatever he wants to do the answer is yes I'm excited and like I said I've been a fan for years and just to watch you grow and the impact you're having it's just been amazing and so keep doing what you're doing brother because it's it's definitely changing the world you have no idea how much that means to me coming from you so trust me of like you're one of those people that I respect the most in the world because I feel like if there was no alpha M there wouldn't be OBO biceps at least not the way it is built out today so thank you for the blueprint brother like yes just it's something it's something like very close to my heart I really appreciate you god Bless You Man I'm gonna be linking all of Aaron's handles down below I'm gonna be linking his Instagram is YouTube go follow go subscribe add in any last signing of message for the tons of brown people watching this around people everywhere
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tons of brown people watching this around people everywhere just know that I love you so much and thank you for everything and I could never ever repay you just for all of your love and support and and to keep working hard keep your head up regardless of where you are right now it does not mean that you are going to be here forever just stay focused do not let your your past define who you are and keep reaching for your dreams know that it will and can get better and that you've got people out there like myself and mr. beer biceps that are rooting on you and and just you know it's it's a you know stay strong and be amazing and you know Ranvir just the fact that they've got you you know it means a lot and so congratulations to them for you and you for them thank you thank you thank you a million times I will see you guys soon and hopefully Aaron and me will create a lot more videos together absolutely you bet see you around see
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videos together absolutely you bet see you around see you you
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intelligent conversations only I see oh yes that's right the Bo Bice's podcast is now your we're not calling it the Bo Bice's podcast we're calling it monkey eat chat why because monk Entertainment is co-founded by myself and Vinod shade who's also the co-host on this podcast it's gonna be all about topics which are a little controversial maybe the awkard maybe college ado maybe the government maybe personal finances in detail not just startups not just motivation but obviously because that's a part of my existence a bit of that is going to be there the first episode is all about how we built monk entertainment from the ground level up to where it is now a future visions for monk entertainment our own business insights what we've learned from this world and our failures in college obviously it's going to be very deep very intellectual conversations I feel that when I came to video content I've already put out everything that I could but now it's my turn to put out detail information in my real
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my turn to put out detail information in my real life I'm a very deep person I really enjoy deep conversations and those same deep conversations are going to be put out for you guys now remember that each podcast is divided into chapters so if you want to skip to a chapter that you enjoy go ahead the chapter list is given down below in the description box check it out and make sure you support monkey chat if you like this concert give it a thumbs up give me more topic suggestions but for now enjoy episode 1 see you hey what's good you guys welcome not to the Ranvir show this is a new property we're starting on beer biceps it's called monkey chat co-hosted by Randy de la Bahia and Viraj shade my co-founder on monkey monkey entertainment monkey chat our podcast is not just gonna be a business it's not gonna meet and be show style where I just ask people questions about themselves like what is your personal ire not not things that we can talk about anything so
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not not things that we can talk about anything so we even be talking about ghost stories conspiracy theories business lessons life lessons quantum physics basically anything that's value adding to you an informative podcast episode one this is episode one where I'll actually be talking average about what monkey does what we've learned in the world of business and I'll kind of be introducing Viraj to you guys I just want to give you all some background on mister v-rod sheet he's my junior from engineering college he's also my co-founder we just happened to do a little bit of jacquard work together and eventually today we're running an organization that's about 25 30 people strong he's also genuinely one of those powerful people in the Indian YouTube community you name any big youtuber and chances are that via chat has put money on the youtubers table so he managed some of the top YouTube talent in India today his last two years have been full of hustle he's a brother and we usually fool around
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he's a brother and we usually fool around a lot but on today's episode we're gonna try inspiring you guys I'm gonna try making it a little genuine so if you're a little more sincere than we normally do yeah Bharath shade I'm gonna allow you to start with the story of how monk and detainment happen because let me just tell you that two years back we didn't have any office here working out of my dining room yeah so from there we've kind of moved into an office with like 25 people and this has happened through like genuine hard work right so quickly to give you guys a recap of the story we start off Randy was my senior in college the first time I met viraja actually bullied him so I was like super buff in college and he happened to drop a little Samba in the canteen and a little bit of it fell on my friends shoe so I just looked at him old buff and I was like hey so yeah that's
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old buff and I was like hey so yeah that's how it started that was our first interaction I was just trying to be that guy who you know goes to seniors and gets the whole vibe of the college oh it was a first freshers and I would participated he was the host that's how it started and then we started working together a lot more we started doing internships together back then and then that's how we gelled and we started working a lot we also lost touch like after college with you boob and all that I kind of just got into my own zone with work chapter one the monkeys story even Jay went back to DJ's angry one day of engineering college and I met Vera's death and at that phase of my life I was really trying to increase the amount of money I was earning through YouTube so I basically found the first good you I found and said bro please help me help me make some money of this cell of my college and I basically you know was doing it
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my college and I basically you know was doing it to get a certificate at the end of the day and I didn't want to do it the whole traditional base-wide I just called him up and said well actually don't have anyone to call for a talk now but you're doing something cool in your life and you're the most accessible person I have right now and so can you come down and give a talk to these young kids about what is the whole situation with YouTube is it genuine does it like it can you pursue it as a career any of that yeah so technically back then going by the amount of money we used to get on YouTube back in the day it wasn't really a genuine career I'm gonna put it out there I had probably like I think 20,000 rupees or 30,000 rupees in my bank account where I got you back then yeah and I think the more I think the first brand deal we did of sorts was with this energy drink company we did some two-three Instagram posts
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this energy drink company we did some two-three Instagram posts for 7,000 rupees baby stories yeah for barely like 7,000 rupees which I mean at that point felt like a fairly decent amount to me because we were just starting out we just started thinking oh you you get paid to take a picture and post on social media that's cool yeah that's when I had my meeting with Ranveer you know he had super hyped it up and sold it to me that bro this is the next big thing in the five years you will make a lot of money just jump into it this is right when I already had one job offer in hand and I applied to insane universities in the u.s. that's when this guy enters my life and says that you know totally switch everything that you were going to do and jump into this you know unknown territory of media so I remember initially there were few meetings where I'd send without and he really didn't know what to talk about what to pitch how to pitch
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what to talk about what to pitch how to pitch how would I say that listen we have a YouTube channel you can actually put a brand new YouTube channel that he made a fool of himself many times but both of us actually learned through that difficult phase yes to give you context how it worked again then is I didn't know that there was a way to reach to the brand's right I used to directly reach out to the CEOs of each company hello they met Samantha brown and say that boss we run a YouTube channel this is the coolest form of marketing now we have X Y Z number of followers we will get X Y Z number of views so why don't you come to our channel and it'll be a great fit so I had written thousands of cold emails and this is two years back when the whole situation of YouTube marketing was not you organized in India so no one knew how do you work with youtubers how do you integrate your content pieces all of that so I've been in
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your content pieces all of that so I've been in so many meetings where first of all I'm clueless how to start off with how to take things forward what would be the right dressing to go with all of that I've learnt over a span of time yeah also you know when they say that if you really want to make a big business you try understanding the waves that are going around in the market the kind of waves of money that are rising so that's pretty much what we did there was a wave of money that was falling into this youtubing game and we just caught us off Morton's are at surfing so we kind of were in the right place at the right time yeah I think this success in general has a lot to do with being norge is courageous enough to take the right step but also luck plays in a factor where it gets you to the right place at the right time and you need to grab that opportunity to make sure that you're riding that wave that's what
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make sure that you're riding that wave that's what we did in general yeah we just took a gut call and said that let's go ahead let's go full-fledged into this I was actually doing a job back then when done we said that you know I think we can take this full-time and I quit in three months that's how we started the whole situation and started working full time on this yeah so I mean that's called the power of focus he put all his focus into bringing more money into bo biceps eventually it happened like from that 7,000 rupees per post I think the next day we went up to was like 25,000 rupees and gradually we kept going up eventually all our friends on YouTube like community Erica and M Gaurav buy from flying beast they all notice and they were like listen let's work together so we started managing even more people in an informal way and once there were enough people we figured okay wait now we need to make this some kind of a company
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we need to make this some kind of a company that we need to formalize it or else it wouldn't make sense when I was in my last job I used to make calls just do it in my day job like I used to go to the washroom and make some calls and all of that and realize this this stuff isn't going to be long lasting right you can't be doing two jobs at once so we discussed that you know let's let's quit this let's start a company and let's formalize things let's get legal papers done and all of that yeah also I remember I had a lakh of rupees in my bank account at this stage and I invested all of it in redoing my own garage like we painted all their eyes like very cheap leave it like the cheapest paint of the cheapest painters we could find put in the cheapest possible for richer I said okay we company can he go again it was a classic you know how they say whatever Apple and all of these started
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how they say whatever Apple and all of these started in garages that's true I and we get the perspective that you know that's they want to cut cost they just wanted to have sufficient amount of balance in their account to get the legal work done to get a first few employees to get some basic logistical stuff like your laptops all of that yeah but in saying that I think that infrastructure that space gave us a very kind of good platform for the company to get launched so eventually we got like the right people joining monkey we got Neil Katherine arranged Alec Ravel initially Rajesh was obviously there and I think a bunch of just really good people started working really hard together because of the leader so Viraj is the leader of both the organization's Bo Bice's and monk entertainment and he is the hardest-working guy any one of us has ever met in our lives because I mean even if you follow Munich story recently Nick put up the story of Viraj kind of he's gone
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up the story of Viraj kind of he's gone to sleep with this he was texting and he was that that he just like fell asleep and and this is like a daily thing you you know start his work the moment he wakes up at like 8:30 9:00 a.m. he's answering calls he'll reach officer lemon he'll continue work him probably leave office at like 1:00 a.m. sometimes 3:00 a.m. in the morning and all that he doesn't give himself enough credit for that no I mean but that's completely not healthy what I still feel is you should come in at your right time leave early if your work is done don't just be there in the office but there will be certain phases in your life when you you will have to stay back longer do do longer things because when you starting off right people expect you to have a USB of speed like what is your credibility I can go 2,000 other people but I am going to pick you because you giving me speed
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am going to pick you because you giving me speed you are taking the burden off of me so that's why you need to have that bit of leverage in general that's why it's we do what we do jump to the skills so I also feel that what worked for Mirage above anything is definitely hard work and speed but the other thing that really worked for him was Joe guard okay and this is a very underrated aspect of this whole game he cold emailed people that's what I call it yeah just mold email and just you know made his way like in this world like he just spoke to where we meant networked heavily took information from his own network and just learned the game as he was playing it so he taught himself how to become the best batch that's how you do do it and I mean most of these youngsters these days are sort of figuring it out that way right everyone every new inspiring safe photographer videographer you know editor where I meet as most of these guys
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know editor where I meet as most of these guys are all self-taught and that's that's been the whole story of Millennials or people our age that you want to be self taught you don't want to be you know stuck to your own organizations and figure out this stuff yourself so that's how I went went ahead I realized you know what is the best way to reach to these agencies what is the best way to reach to brands how can we work with talent yeah at the same time grooming a talent or something there are causes on a lot so see from the perspective of youtubers all of us are basically children okay with kids inside and we do need a lot of guidance when it comes to the world of business the world of YouTube business the world of brand building so when I see someone who's a big brother to actually all of us he's like 2 years younger than myself you can roam like my elder brother yeah so again what we did is we realize
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yeah so again what we did is we realize that you know let's keep the creative child in these guys active all the logistical admin finance work let's move it on to someone else let's keep that burden off to someone else that's how we figured that you know the whole management and manage your aspect came into the picture then at the same time I mean see he learned about this particular business but he also learned about business in general like how to actually grow an organization how to hire the correct people how to get rid of the wrong people all these little things you learn as you are doing business and you learn it through podcast we learned through books so when I say that you guys should listen to podcast you guys should listen to books I'm looking at varieties life see what he's done correct and just putting it out there completely self-taught I want to ask that as my first question of this interview because we've just discussed that what's been like the hardest aspect of all this
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what's been like the hardest aspect of all this chapter 3 the struggles I think one the most difficult aspect I keep talking about is is the hiring part right it's extremely difficult to get the right mix of people because I see a lot of people are talking about the fact that there is unemployment or there's not enough opportunities in the country in general I think personally the fact is that a lot of people don't want to grab onto the opportunities everyone has a very employee sorry going forward right is that I'm coming in at 9:00 I leave I want to leave at 6:00 initially I feel you definitely should not have that attitude because you want to give it your best shot at what you're doing you just want to learn you want to keep adding more value because that's when you will get into the eyes of the higher hierarchy that's as simple as it is or you build your own thing you innovate you build a business around it so there's two ways to it but
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business around it so there's two ways to it but both of these ways either being an entrepreneur or when you're being an entry-level job entrant is that you need to add value you need to show that you're in it you're all in it basically is what you need to show chapter 4 the rewards and what's been like the HAI of all this like what's been the best aspect of this whole journey I think the high the biggest heist to get to meet a lot of super accomplished people people who have the expertise the wisdom the knowledge to to do what they've been doing right and normally people get to access this at a much earlier age I've been lucky enough to you know pick minds of some geniuses like in radhakrishnan pillai you know people who are running huge organizations is something i feel is the biggest hire I get because I can speak to them or on a one-to-one basis and see that so these are the problems I am facing what is it that you
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the problems I am facing what is it that you think I should do what is the direction I should be moving and as your mentality stands now how is it different from when you had just started out the one biggest difference I know there's like a ton of differences right but what's like the one like stock difference I think the biggest difference I see in myself is I was very under confident I mean fairly so because I hadn't achieved anything I didn't know if I was going in the right space and all of that but in general that should not be a factor you should just go in heads-up just be just fake it till you make it right that's how it works be confident every time you are entering the room make sure that you know your right and that's all that you have that's what people will only value you won if you value your say exactly and to if you actually have enough value in your if you've learned enough if you have enough information that you can add
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if you have enough information that you can add into their life then they'll value you so I think step up to that pedestal of being a person of value it's like that song a real connections get made and one more crucial thing that we learned and this is a V Lowden Delhi Airport okay so when you're having a dosa and this uncle came inside talking to us he's like you know we've all suited up we were wearing suits and he's like where you get kids are wearing we'll come from some business conversing you late yeah so he tells us that mean okay guys I'll tell you all the biggest business lesson of my life business and India's made through emotional connections so I think that's something Varys is also figured out in our industry especially you want to make more money in life you first become people's friends in the world of Indian business you make your business connections and money will follow and the same time be a person of value so that even those connections
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be a person of value so that even those connections want to be your friend so would that be a big learning if you do one hundred percent so that's what our core value of the company has also been right even when you're working with talents you're working with the brand's we make sure that we understand what is it they want before you know getting all the paperwork done getting them sign all of that that's secondary we need to understand are we connecting with the individual in the first place are we equipped enough to add value to their lives what is the biggest challenge or problem they're facing though again like Gary Vee says and I don't mean to sound or make it sound very cliche empathy super important when it comes to business right you need to make sure you're not in it to be a shark only mmm just you know go there to add value to collaborate and that's how you will grow with them chapter five much monkey up to now bro now the next question I want to
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to now bro now the next question I want to ask you is as the co-founder of monkey entertainment I just want to explain to you guys how we've divided our responsibilities as co-founders so Verret would obviously be kind of the overall CEO of Monk and Raymond he's the head of operations he gets the final say on all the key decisions obviously he began the company he ran it alone you know when there was no other was entering the company so he's the king of this organization I'm primarily in charge of culture I mentor the people who join into monkey entertainment overall I said strategies for where the organization is headed but if someone asks me okay what are the activities that monk entertainment does I'll always tell em wait speak to Viraj because he's boring about these things so we're asked what does monk and entrainment do and how we been able to create an office of like twenty five thirty kids so how it started is again we realized that we were already working with talents
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we realized that we were already working with talents now we were at value both monetary brand wise all of that then we realize that wait there's a gap it's not just the talents who don't understand how to work with brands but it also is the brands who do not understand how to work with youtubers right they don't know what are the right creators to work with they don't know how to spend it they don't know what are the market rates of these guys they don't know what platforms to leverage a lot of brands are not digitally equipped as yet they don't know how what is a swipe up story they don't know how to use a hashtag in a tweet yeah I think exactly like people our age know these things better because we're the generation that's grown up with all this around us exactly it's a part of our daily I mean social media was part of our daily life yeah I mean you grew up you bought a smartphone you grew up in the
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you bought a smartphone you grew up in the smartphone age to top three apps that you've downloaded up essentially Facebook Instagram and probably Twitter or I don't know snapchat so we know we use these on a daily so naturally we know how this works a lot of the elder people or people who are running organizations were CMO cxos in these companies they're not so well-versed with it because they don't use it on a daily right so to cut up short what we do is we work with brands to help them understand how to work with talents we work with talents to make them understand how we can work with brands and in all of this we also basically do everything else that comes on digital like social media management video production everything content related is what monk entertainment looks at so that all of it can can come under one umbrella so tomorrow if a brand comes to me and says that I have X amount to spend on content I can tell them okay these are the talents you should
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can tell them okay these are the talents you should wound with these are the platforms you should work on this is the branded content you should make beyond using influences and this is how you should maintain your social media pages yeah and we can do all of that for you this is like a one chapter six how you learnt all this so also a lot of y'all might be looking at this video and saying okay how do I figure all these things it was one step at a time it began just with influencer marketing in in fact the big and just managing me then it went to influencer marketing then we started helping brands with other you know influence or campaigns digital campaigns then we figured okay with branded social media social media unit in the organization so it was just one step at a time don't ever let these business stories or not overwhelm you like you know I used to get over and when I saw all these business stories Kyary are it now exactly and a lot of
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Kyary are it now exactly and a lot of the stuff you read on the internet and newspapers and all of that is when you read them make sure you read through the lines because a lot of the times these figures are bloated that X company got a hundred billion valuation or 1 billion dollar valuation all of that is alright you need to see that what is the company's core problem-solving agenda like what is the problem they're solving olá at the end of the day takes you from point A to point B so they are making sure that they solve your problem of traveling Airbnb is making travel fun like they are giving you an experience for example what is it that we do we make sure that agencies or brands lives are made easier by being the one-stop solution in terms of digital solutions that's what the model is now how do you scale up from that is you build a team around it you network you work with more brands they will recommend you you do other brands your work speaks at
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recommend you you do other brands your work speaks at the end of the day that's really all chapter 7 the future ok now where as where do you see monk and attainment going not five years from now but I'm gonna say 25 years from now where do you see it I think what we want to do eventually is like all companies we want to build a legacy right it should work without me him anyone else being in the company or not the company should stay at the end of the day and that will only happen if the if the purpose in the agenda of the company's in the right direction right if you're all in it just for money it will be a shallow purpose if you are in it to figure out that you're solving a problem you are adding something to an opposite party that's when the company will sustain and that's when the company will have a sort of a correct approach to to what they're doing so overall I feel I mean as next steps it would be to work with
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mean as next steps it would be to work with more clients to work with more talents and to in general expand the team so that we can open much more verticals in general yeah that's the see jogging I don't know what I am the CSO chief strategy officer chief mentoring officer the way I look at it on a very personal level is that I feel that okay now today there's 25 young kids working in this organization a lot of them are supporting their own families on a personal level that's where I get my motivation from that wait you know our hard work is creating income for so many families and going forward we always have this dream of going up to 2,000 high of 20,000 hires at some point and each of our core people in office story will become leaders going forward so creating more leaders creating way more employment and overall adding a lot of money to the Indian business space that's how I'm personally looking yeah definitely I mean I'm extremely patriotic to this fact that I
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I'm extremely patriotic to this fact that I want to add much more revenue to the whole Indian ecosystem even though I had you know I was all set to apply for my masters and all of that but I sort of had this reckoning recently where I know that you know creating employment or creating opportunities or being here in the country itself you doing a great sort of service to the nation I know not all of us can go to the front facing borderline and face some bullets and all of that but we can all do our bits in our way to help our country chapter 8 challenges so we know your twenty five year goal but as of now what's your most difficult challenge on a personal level in terms of business so I think the biggest personal challenge I have in the business is that just ensuring consistency right after you doing a similar job for say six month period to a you write it at the end of the day still becomes monotonous no matter how much you love it so
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monotonous no matter how much you love it so you need to understand how is it that you can do things differently what is it that you can tweak around to make sure that this is something new there's something fresh that you're bringing onto the table I think that always remains to be the biggest challenge how do you keep yourself entertained while getting the work done what's scaring you about working right now like about this startup what's the one thing that you feel so I'm not fearing anything at the moment specifically but I feel at the of the day that kick when you start off when you are at zero right that should always sustain in your mind because if you start getting complacent when things are going in your favor right eventually that's the end of it I just need to be blessed with a feeling I had when I just started out you know I want to be on my toes taking all the time I don't want any complacency in my behavior or in my approach that
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complacency in my behavior or in my approach that is what will keep me going in a longer run and I'm knowing him I'm pretty sure that he will be able to maintain that like if if 2 years and like a massive office like this and the fancy space and these fancy people around us couldn't spoil it I'm pretty sure he's not gonna get spoiled going forward as well chapter 9 love story let's go back to engineering College where we first met what was your first impression of working with me and what value do you think I have added to your life as a co-founder I'm not asking for myself I'm asking you to explain the value of a co-founder to God the general public again picking a co-founder is super important they should either in world 3 things one is either the good with tech two they have a great network or three they're putting in some cash on table right so technically speaking the second two things that the last two things that we mentioned was boxes it was
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last two things that we mentioned was boxes it was stick boxing for you you brought in the initial capital and not a network that we could leverage on right that's how it started values wise I think one thing I learned big time from run wiid is that even though he comes off from from a fairly well-off family he made sure he wanted to make his own name in the space he's been there at jew beach at carter road all of that just distributing pamphlets to people to subscribe to his channel i don't know how many people know this but he's been traveling in trains day-in day-out i I know this is a very common thing to do in Bombay but this is at a phase where he was facing near depression right but he still kept going that's what I like about him he doesn't complain too much he's all about like going for it what is the next problem we're solving how are we solving it it's not about what is the problem and why is the problem
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about what is the problem and why is the problem is about what can we do about it I think that's the biggest thing I learned from it and also like I feel the co-founders always kind of have an effect on the whole organization organization so becomes that so if that's what he's done for me I've learned like we all discipline from him like this he's disciplined about like all aspects of his life and yes maybe I work hard and you know I execute but there was a lot of discipline those lacking from my life which I get from every which the whole organization also get some very odd shade like when we see this guy working in the office always answering call always being in that you know high-speed work mode it kind of sets a tone on the rest of the organization as well including even my editing team they're very inspired by mr. shade so yeah man like I think we've just happened to find out great like partnership like a very what's about symbiotic like synergizing
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like a very what's about symbiotic like synergizing yeah whatever we have great Scylla jump at compatible so you know with with selecting a co-founder it is kind of like a marriage and one other crucial thing about marrying someone in business is that your goals in the long term need to be aligned like if one guy just wants to earn like a little money and the other wants to build Reliance Industries that's not gonna work out both you need to want to make it I think you should be again should be the same yeah it doesn't matter what is the path that's being taken because there will be multiple yeah yeah that's the thing like with disagreements disagrees are going to be there any relationship you have and work you in at work you need to understand if you're having disagreements it's because both of you think that this is the best way forward for both of us together as an we both have the best interests in our mind exact but we just think in different parts and
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mind exact but we just think in different parts and then we try understanding each other and then come to a conclusion and sometimes it may not be one of the two roads although it will be a third road which is like a big box and I mean you need to have that sort of a relationship with your founder because if it's a very yes-man relationship it's not a young value to either one of you you just need to make sure that both of you are thinking individually yeah so that the best output comes on to the table and then we go forward yeah so anyway guys that was a little bit of an inlet into Monken payment what I'm really requesting you all is that you're kind of support us on our next venture which is the monk and attainment social media handle so we're basically trying to create an education platform for you guys where we teach all business from our perspectives so the members of Monk and attainment themselves will be creating videos they'll be talking about a lot
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be creating videos they'll be talking about a lot of the questions that you guys have in your heads so firstly go and follow that page of LinkedIn down below it's an Instagram page secondly obviously go and follow mr. shades handles have learned all of them down below and without one last message for anyone who's watching the video at this point because obviously they're watching it till this point they're intrigued by this concept of success right so I think closing points just make sure that you get things started and you keep at it that's the most important be consistent I have in the last two years not even look back and see our key catch Eldridge's keep building just have an overarching longer vision of what you're doing but just keep one day at a time one day at a time and I'm just getting started for anyone who is even slightly looking up to me trust me I am just getting started I'm learning everyday and all the work that we're doing together right it's not even
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work that we're doing together right it's not even 1% of where we want to go so I think at the end of the day it's all about execution it's about doing the groundwork get to the ground and keep executing keep doing stuff because I know a lot of people who just like to think and not do after a point analysis becomes paralysis yeah of sorts red represent also again don't be negative about things we've seen really dark days and something you've not even spoken about in this interview but we've seen days are we genuinely felt like this company is not going to work out things aren't gonna work out for us we used to doubt it used to have discussion where are we doing the correct thing but things eventually work out when you put your honest hard work into processes so that's his message this is my message as well and until next time guys from without shade and red meat see you see you guys
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what's the most requested topic on this channel bro please make a video on advanced meditation that's exactly what we're doing with dr. Radhakrishnan Pillai he is by far the smartest human being that I have come across in this country in my lifetime also extremely spiritually advanced he's been meditating for more than 30 years so he's got a lot of information in his mind when it comes to advanced meditation that's right according to me I break down meditation into two parts the first is a basic kind of meditation but if you just get yourself to meditate for 20 minutes a day but what if you want to take it to a higher level instead of weight training what if you want to power lifting now when it comes to meditation so guys if you want some guidance on where to begin your advanced meditation process that's what this podcast will give you also keep in mind that the audio version of this podcast is linked in the description down below so make sure you check that out if you're more
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so make sure you check that out if you're more of a listener than a watcher and as always the comments section will have a breakdown of the entire episode so if you want to skip to a particular topic scan the comment section so this is dr. allocations Pillai on the Randi show once again this is his dope on advanced meditation enjoy yourselves Oh hunty shanti shanti [Music] what's good everybody welcome to another intelligent conversations only episode of the Randy show we've got one of india's smartest men dr. Radhakrishnan pillai sir so thank you again for being on the podcast it feels like being a part of the family it's like coming home so thank you once again run wiid for making me part of the show honor whenever we do Bollywood podcasts one of her top comments is why are you doing for you oh the intelligent guy the so-called intelligent yeah so sir do you agree and I'm gonna dive straight into the topic do you agree a
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dive straight into the topic do you agree a big part of your intelligence and your personality today has come out of your practice of meditation 100% okay in fact without meditation you can't achieve most of the higher things that you aspire for yeah including material wealth 100% I think that's a byproduct of meditation maybe not the real effort should be put on mate it'll benefit alone but those people who meditate also gain at the material level if they want to can you elaborate on that like so a lot of people wanna come rich they want big in their careers yeah and the question you know where does meditation fit into this whole career growth thing sure so I think I would split meditation into three levels by the physical second is the mental and the third is at the spiritual level I think everybody may have different purposes to it so if you look at the physical level a lot of people who say you know exercise carlo and then you know calm down your mind with meditation take some three
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calm down your mind with meditation take some three deep breaths sit down quietly maybe just do own car chanting now these are at the physical level and it does actually make you much healthier better when you breathe in sit quietly for some time but I think the real game starts when you move in from the physical to the mental level because finally the body in the mind both are connected and as they say that man is what his thoughts are so if you can calm down your thoughts I think there are a lot of benefits right from you know stress which we can de-stress ourselves look at you know if you're going through a depressing state of your mind yeah you know in meditation could help that's almost a mental so this is one of those things that you figure after you begin meditating that just the physical exercise can you know benefit your physical body yes doing a bicep curl benefits your bicep when you actually experience deep meditations you realize wait even my brain is going to some
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you realize wait even my brain is going to some kind of an exercise yes but you only understand this once you do the meditations so it's like this you know hearing and reading about swimming and actually doing swimming so to get into the water so a lot of people have read books on meditation a lot of theories but till you don't do it I think you'll not never understand what's in it for me she's writing and do it regularly like yeah I think that's what you call in Sanskrit or you know Hindi also it's called obvious continuously doing it for a period of a time you'll benefit from it so if you go to the gym first time okay I look good second it will start paining you know suddenly all the muscles have stressed yeah and then you said okay second time third time and there comes a point of time when you're not exercising is when you feel bad so whatever they say no 21-day have bit creation over to so I think once it becomes
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bit creation over to so I think once it becomes a habit then you actually can't stop meditation yeah yeah and your third level of you were talking about physical mental and spiritual okay I think that's the real real benefit of meditation so when we look at you know a lot of people who are expecting some tangible results from meditation so I know if companies who promote meditation yoga and I know intentionally they want their profits to go up because we have a calm person you have more productive people you take better decisions you don't mess up things but somewhere the end result is that you know did it show on the balance sheet our shareholders happy okay that is a good start but you know as you grow higher and higher it's like you know basic education at school is okay college is okay but if we go to the university level it's all about research so highest level of meditation economy spiritual gain and that time you start looking at the whole life very differently you look at it from
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whole life very differently you look at it from a detached point of it and real meditator really doesn't care about the worldly benefits even though the worldly benefits would come to them they said it's fine but you know I want to go not just to understand the mind but actually go beyond the mind yeah yeah so I think that the highest stage and then you know that finally everything is a mind game yeah so can you explain this beyond the mind concept okay so I think let's go to the very basics so what is mind mind is a flow of thoughts that is what so much in my energy my spiritual guru is to tell so mind is a flow of thoughts and if there are no thoughts there is no mind hmm but you know people have never actually consciously understood there could be a state of mind where there's no thoughts when the moment there are no thoughts no mind in reality all of us go through it on everyday basis where do we do that sleep no I
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everyday basis where do we do that sleep no I would say even go to the X not deep sleep okay so I would say the first is a waking state that we all see the second is you know when we go to sleep but actually we're dreaming so brain is still active your mind is still active exactly but to know that few hours when you're beyond time so you know suppose you are very tired you had a very heavy day heavy workout you just hit the bed and you're gone and you know the moment you get up it's been four hours five hours it's like success that time there is no thought but there have been also times when you sleep but when you are actually imagining things maybe what happened during the day people going to the effects of going through horror images in the mind no that's not atlas mind it is sleep with thoughts your mind is still active and creating things imagining probably yeah so this is still not the state of mind so in fact in the indian literature
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of mind so in fact in the indian literature there is a final stage you go beyond the mind it's called Turia our star beyond everything and you know a lot of people who go there don't want to come back because you find this is horrible yeah like you're talking about shadows in the Himalayas and those kind of people absolutely in fact I can tell you a story also about a very well-known saint in modern India it's Sai Baba shielding si everybody so that is the story about him that he once meditated and he told his people okay so I'm going to go into the state of Samadhi and I will come back what is what is Samadhi Samadhi is exactly this particular point where you know it's like you using meditation as a tool it's like when you are going what that sports called you generating pole-vaulting okay so you use the pool but you leave back the pool to go on the other side so use your mind meditation tools when others said you
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so use your mind meditation tools when others said you go there you jump over into yeah so this exact you to leave the mind also behind no thoughts so there are a lot of sadhus who can actually do that so when Sai Baba of Shirdi actually did that once and he told is going to go into Samadhi state where I'm and then it'll come back what happened he actually went to that state in the body was absolutely flat and people certainly is dead so the whole discussion that happened among all the people sitting around you know knowledge very bony because you know when the person is dead you may cry but the fact remains that in the body is going to DK and it's going to be harmful for others but this devotee said oh no no no no cyber toll that he's gonna come back it's going to come back in him but it's been a few days now you can't have this but then actually consciously comes back hmm well to another story about how
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comes back hmm well to another story about how you go into a samadhi averse time but you have to come back and lot of people have seen this in their experiences so let me you another like Sai Baba we have Ramakrishna Paramahamsa yeah who was the Guru of for Swami Vivekananda so he used to be always in some other stuff and it's not like you know going 1 so it was very difficult to get him back to normal state so there have been recorded experiences so his features go into trance into that level of Samadhi beyond the mind and suddenly used to come back and say you're a school or a school or a school to people so under and is to keep on rasgulla behind it and then people ask Jim Q what is his whole thought you mean you're supposed to be meditating you come back in zero school as guerrilla then he says I'm consciously aware that I'm going to that state but if I go there I mean ever come back but
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if I go there I mean ever come back but I have a lot of things to yet to do in this particular world so what I'll do is that only one thought behind which will bring me back so when I'm that state somewhere you know I get conscious you ok what is that one thought because I'm disconnect wrongly or as gula so I'll just come back in the Verrazano school a correct so first is physical level then the spiritual level is for highly evolved souls who understand everything is beyond this mind and beyond this void 100% so I'll give you an example of twenty six-year-old please share your meditation experiences so before I talk about the actual experience I'm going to come to last weekend story I was out with some of my friends and they were all drinking I've stopped drinking since I don't know how long I think two years now and the question to me was why do you not drink so my own you have a child got beer by sir ha ha yes
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have a child got beer by sir ha ha yes sir so what's the connection I don't know I I will I will I will tell you this - yes yeah basically they asked me why aren't you drinking and my answer to them was I'm deep into my yoga practice and honestly believe it or not I do feel a high 24/7 without actually taking us off sure because your mind has kind of come down to that level yeah colors are more saturated you know your mind is working way faster than Jung's tube so you've started your meditation practice now all this information I can't exactly explain to them you know in a few sentences so it's like telling I'm already on a high yeah by I don't require this yeah but their immediate response when they listen to me saying no but I'm already on a high is it itself could be you know like they do they don't believe it because they are they've only experienced the high of alcohol or drugs yes so it's difficult
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of alcohol or drugs yes so it's difficult to explain to the average person yeah but yours of meditating for four years no it really changes the way you look at the world the way you look at your work so we look at the people around you and more than anything I feel the big change for me has been my internal world has become very calm hmm even if there's like the worst trouble in my life in my work I'm so calm from the inside and all the decisions all the solutions happen in a very calm state of mind but it's happened over time there obviously has been the actual practice of meditation the practice of all these yoga's I'm envious s which is a yoga and trained in advanced meditations advanced yoga's but it's also kind of training your own mind if you see anger rising with a new stop the antrum push it down consciously yeah if you see agitation rising within you you understand they need this is not correct stop the adjutant the
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need this is not correct stop the adjutant the awareness is there yeah so the harness has come over time but this begun back in 2015 when we excited by our biceps I was into bodybuilding powerlifting and I'd read that meditation this thing called meditation which I'd never experienced in my life before that it helps in your muscle recovery so that's how I had gotten into it I thought that wow you know something that'll like just help me heal faster so I can get even bigger muscles and I just begun doing uhm chanting back then now the first time I ever read home churning so you sit in one place you close your eyes you breathe in and when you're breathing out you give one loud [Music] you just do that you do it for 20 minutes at some point you know can ask time to open your eyes the first time you open your eyes you look around you see that the floor of your room the roof of your room everything the colors are very saturated
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roof of your room everything the colors are very saturated the colors are very intense and you feel a new kind of calm you feel that on that moment you're very happy in that moment you're very peaceful and possibly you also have some answers for your careers are those for business Wow now the longer you meditate the more intense all these experiences are but the key here is again practice eventually I was blessed enough to discover a lot of courses there are the that's the one advantage of live in India which people don't under that we are the spiritual capital of this planet yes and anything you wanna learn about advanced meditation you can learn in this country only yeah only like there are versions of it that you can learn abroad but if you want a Buddhist form yeah a buffet of the purest forms of maybe it's all in this country so I went for initially I went for Reiki course I went for a transcendental meditation course and eventually after doing a bunch of these courses
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and eventually after doing a bunch of these courses I found yoga and satsang Society after reading the book called the autobiography of a yogi' book that inspired me to another degree but that was my meditation story and I do feel that meditation changes the biology of your body so eventually of non-wage didn't drink don't do any vices anymore but what is really gifted me with is superhuman abilities for my work too much stamina right fast brain processing power and there's how about studies to back this Stanford studies to back this you actually link them down below read those read how meditation can actually change up the structure of your cerebrum gifts so but my question to you now is can you take us through your meditation story and how it actually helped change your personality your world around ortho today you're considered one the most intellectual people on the planet so what has it done specifically to you on a human level okay thank you for sharing your stories because it's so beautiful to know
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for sharing your stories because it's so beautiful to know that it actually habitats the physical and at various levels yes so let me tell you my story I have been almost meditating for the last 30 odd years and because I have been connected which in me assurance virtual organizations since my childhood you know there was a spiritual background to it so my entry was more the spiritual level itself okay so as I told you there are three kinds of people the physical the mental and you know maybe at the spiritual level so I've been really fortunate so in the initial stages you know when I was a child you know you used to go to this child classes in chinmaya mission called as Bal we are okay so it's okay now to sit and meditate so the simple instructions where you know sit down don't be a question marks sit straight and then take TD breaths and oh three times okay okay watch your mind your mind is a monkey can you see it going can you tell him to come back general instruction given
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can you tell him to come back general instruction given to a child now that is a starting point but as I grew up you know I started single okay there are different forms of meditation also different schools of thought and there is actually theory which is documented for example Patanjali Yoga Sutras is one of the most fantastic books which talks about meditation and it talks about physical level discipline to be a good yogi or a meditator like like for example Patanjali yoga Sutra actually says that yogaha chitta Liberty so what happens is that if there is what is yoga a state of thoughtless mind hmm so can you achieve that but no it's not possible you know saying that you sit down and it'll be no thoughts citta is your thought has to be eliminated it's not possible day one so what you do is that you actually start at the basic level so yama niyama there are different steps so basically discipline yourself okay can you sit down don't worry about
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yourself okay can you sit down don't worry about meditation but maybe as a beginner you just sit down for 10 minutes in the closed eyes you know how to worry about thoughts or no that itself is a discipline then slowly slowly you get into what you said may be eating the right food getting of the right so all these basic things so I started realizing okay there are theories of meditation then my father being a meditator you'd be surprised your father is 82 years old and you meditate for eight hours a day Wow even though and it's the fittest person I've ever seen in the world so father used to actually do a form of meditation is actually we push on our teachers vibrant and Adobe Persian of course the passion is where you have to follow a silence for up to 10 days what he does it for 45 days was not easy so so I have tried that path then actually I have one can we actually talk about it Vipassana absolutely from what had
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talk about it Vipassana absolutely from what had happened to you at the end of like can you describe you have a passion I've shown it's like what happens Joe so again I was introduced to either chinmaya mission or even with passion about my father so what happened in said since Papa used to actually meditate and it still continues casually told me that you know I also do I don't you do one thing so the curiosity was that the best part about getting into spirituality for me was that and I was never forced into spirituality so he just took me casually during my mission I became a member so you wanna do it do it so he never told you you have to do it so as a young boy I said okay so let me try so the push 9 is a form of meditation taught by Buddha and it said that basically lot of these secrets of ours were stored in the purest from outside India as an essence for example the people who now
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India as an essence for example the people who now practice depression and meditation are actually most of them followers of Goenka ji who is going to G he was a person who actually lived in Burma an Indian settled in Burma and once he had a migraine problem now think about it going Kaji had a migraine problem and somebody told me you know there is some we portion of meditation in Burma okay so there was this Buddhist teacher who actually told you no I will teach you something which actually comes from your country it's called be person I said what's the person and I never I'm only concerned about one thing where am i green jhana see he taught him and interestingly he realized that the migraine is anyway gone as a byproduct but there is a secret that not many Indians know about it so we came back to India and I started telling people you know so what this repression of meditation it starts it basic steps off you know watching your breath so
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basic steps off you know watching your breath so you know watch your breath it's not very easy because you'll watch over it into three cycles then your mind will go then bring it back bring it back slowly through the practices that you have to do it for ten days and you can't do it alone by the way it's very important that meditation also requires somebody to guide you in the process because you can go bonkers and you may think that you're going in the right direction any kind of meditation which is my passion I think any definitely types of meditation should have a guru a quote so even if you are going into the gym you require a coach because you might just spoil your muscle you may think you're doing you need to pull it up no actually maybe tearing your muscles yeah so I think it's important it makes that initial process fast also I feel and you don't do the mistakes which probably other to reach your goals faster because you're actually talking about China conserved here
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because you're actually talking about China conserved here it's called Visayan yogaha being associated with a person but why is an experienced person was walked the path before you so interestingly what happened is that when I did meditation so I came to know that going cause you actually got trained under a guru he came back to India and taught started teaching and this form of meditation and today my portion of meditation is crossed the globe there's lot of centers in either puri in Bombay in the police in Maharashtra they're full fledge Centre in Bombay we have a cell world it's a theme park just next to that there is a Buddhist pagoda ten thousand people can meditate together and it's a worldwide movement so the basic I think all of us who are interested in knowing the person I should attend the course of ten days and the best part is that absolutely free of cost we don't charge you so what happens at the end of the course so I think one of my
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end of the course so I think one of my very dear students and colleague in my office spread-out Patil he just went to be personal campaign came back and the first thing I always calm quiet I say okay let's do business together now the idea is basically after 10 days you start realizing that actually you can be a normal person without speaking to anyone okay even somewhere we especially you know till we don't speak it out we don't feel comfortable of course human beings have to speak out good thing is that you can go within so all the energy that is used to go outside it's now getting used to go inside and use for what in fact I think it's like having a very sharp nice knife okay to ask you that use for water depends on you so if you're a surgeon you will use the same sharp knife to save somebody's life so basically if you waste a lot of your energy talking and thinking outwards and doing things out words your blunting your knife is that
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doing things out words your blunting your knife is that like what you're saying absolutely so you're using it and so anything is very important coming back to the basic question of meditation to actually conserve your energy conserve your thoughts in addition is also about not allowing certain thoughts to come in and you know so if you look at the basic level they say you know there's a time for meditation there is a place for meditation and there is a way of meditations of basics for example you can't sit outside a dustbin and say normal America yeah so meanings are you going to pooja room light a candle have a photo of a guard and then like a tiger Bertie and get up in the morning at 4 o clock so now many people think why is this basic required the reason is that basically these are all ecosystems that will help you in the initial baby steps those four o'clock half of the world is sleeping but the real Yogi's and Rishi's they said meditating the
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real Yogi's and Rishi's they said meditating the Himalayas but later on as you practice it's like you know driving a cycle so initially you require somebody to support you balance you but you know once you've got in the habit of it you can be on a highway also and not even think so real meditators are 24 hour meditators so they are actually active in the business we were running a kingdom probably as a king or maybe doing an acting show and show like this but the mind is like it's on a very fast mode at the same time very calm mode yeah that knife is sharpened it sharpen and use it for the right reason the sharpened knife can be dangerous if it is used for killing others so robber can use it so sharpened mind should also be used for noble purposes yeah so what is important that meditate first service of the people for a person so I want to ask you coming back to your ecosystem or topic lot of people gravitate
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to your ecosystem or topic lot of people gravitate towards these meditation apps and they bring a lot of technology into meditation like I know someone who uses a device to actually measure the brainwaves yes like I'm also aware of it you yeah so what is your take on that like because a lot of people watching this they rely on those meditation apps and you swear by them yeah my personal views like I don't think that there's anything wrong with that but I think it's just gonna give you the benefit of becoming calm but beyond all these mental and spiritual benefits you need to do a proper technical meditation which is free of technology that's just what I think but so what do you think I think you're absolutely right because see that too many apps around and you've got one more app maybe a fitness app or a meditation app you download it so I'm saying that it's good but you know as we say Google search is not research correct so it's information base all these tools are
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research correct so it's information base all these tools are good but the interesting part is that if you were to really be a serious meditator then you should actually have a guru yeah so you know somewhere you should get associated with some organization you know some like people a lot of people especially in the modern day or kind of look down on this practice of gurus you know the factors of joining a organization like V assess what should mention just because either they think it's too old-school it's like a budova comet or they look down on it thinking that no this is religious I don't want to get into it you know it's that I think that if you just give yourself that one you know moment of reaching out in search of knowledge and then practice that not forward you'll see the rest of your life change so for that one month also just follow someone get that initial spark and then take it up yourself but do p'n to joining one of these courses that's what I feel absolutely right you know
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courses that's what I feel absolutely right you know so the biggest problem now is guru shopping like what do you mean so it's like you go into this guru and this guru and that finally landing up with no guru yeah yeah so let me ask you what is your definition of a meditation guru um wow that's a deep question definitely someone who speaks to you okay I'm very drawn to Sat guru just the things he says and also obviously yss which is yoga on par immensity when I read his book I felt like it was talking directly caring talking to my heart so I feel listen to your intuition if you feel that there's something in this person that really connects to you there is a chance that that person could play a gurus role in your life sure and it's not necess I'm in in the long term if you are following one guru that's beneficial for you in your advanced meditations but initially you should have perspective at least of what what is that
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should have perspective at least of what what is that Guru ji saying what is yoga and paramhans you saying just to kind of develop your own mind in a 360-degree manner so I feel someone who speaks to you you know to your heart yeah and also a place where you definitely you feel like a - enriched awfulest you know that person no that's the other thing you feel like okay have intellectually been stimulated as well as on an emotional and spiritual level in my heart brilliant now let me go to the next level ask another question chosen so do you require a guru who is physically interacting with you speak to me discuss with you is it necessary this is a topic I wanted to bring up in this podcast which is astral bodies it's a deep topic okay now this is something again I've not spoken about on YouTube earlier and this is something that a lot of everyday people will laughs upon we will say that name what are these people saying I I actually
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that name what are these people saying I I actually don't want to elaborate on this topic because I'm in the presence of dr. Radhakrishnan Pillai so I'm going to allow you to I'm gonna push that question back at you yeah that's called the smartest man in India Thanks thank you who pushing it back to me so I think the basic question right now is first of all do you require a guru and then second question is basically do you require a guru who is around with you physically you know with whom we can discuss talk I think for most of us we require somebody with whom you can talk to discuss with you because see what happens is that you're absolutely right you know if you look at what Sadhguru ji is doing amazing I think I know of friends who have heard and seen every single video of us but then I also know that the first step and actually lined up doing a course with Sadhguru in his prodigal Ostrom and they say
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in his prodigal Ostrom and they say you know I already knew guru's thoughts I've seen it I've read his books etc but then when I went over there I could actually feel the vibes very differently so I think reading about gurus is very important but what's very important that if you by the grace of God and that's very important okay by the grace of God you actually find a guru then we can speak to talk to then you know it's a different it's like saying you know I'm charging my battery somewhere but I'm directly charging from the source and that doesn't mean you know if you don't have a physical guru we should not make it right over to gurus can be astral aswell non-physical absolutely so what I am saying the quality of the student is more important when it comes to the teacher so let me look at two great students of mohab are so what is Arjun directly trained under the teachers like you know Dronacharya crop acharya be sure
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like you know Dronacharya crop acharya be sure and one colleague Libya who never even met his guru so we made some idol out of him and whom do you think is more better as a student I personally think a killer whale absolutely but you know eclipses are rare also yeah so let us in for a close but let us be also original also so a lot of people are watching this thinking that okay but how do I get a guru which is non-physical hundred-person a quick modern-day answer is books written by yes absolutely absolutely right I think when you have those great masters were no more physically around still the books can inspire you just told about autobiography of a yogi' yeah again I spoke about memories from H Inman and G or Sai Baba you'd be surprised all those people have written books these are guiding people I'll tell you one very interesting book it's called I am that by nisargadatta maharaj he's no mother but half of the Europe
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maharaj he's no mother but half of the Europe follows yeah and he's just around the corner yeah so I think you're absolutely right so books like are with us and all our books are actually guiding people in meditation I feel like some books are actually alive but you only understand their life once you read them hundred-person so book is a documented form of the knowledge of the guru a myth is not just a book yeah it's a living master in a book form 100% yes I understand that and I think you understand that more deeply once you've read a lot of spiritual books the other book I'd really highly recommend to people is anything written by Sadhguru himself but also this is one book called doorways to light it's a very easy read it's about the astral world and that is a topic I want to tackle right now your podcast now this book is written by someone called guru ji Krishnan and they have a massive meditation center in Bangalore it's between the
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massive meditation center in Bangalore it's between the Bangalore Airport and the main city you know village called the PO Nagar I think that's the name of it I highly recommend you read that book if you're interested in this concept of your soul leaving your body and traveling around the world magazine you your consciousness in your mind going using that pole vaulting technique getting past your own physical body and then going and seeing the world in the universe yes it's a very deep book not everyone's cup of tea yeah a lot of people don't understand a lot of people laughs upon this yeah I also strongly recommend this one sentence which you should register in your head true knowledge is knowing that you know nothing I just feel that with the topic we're going to talk about right now it might seem little crazy but keep listening so I'm gonna let you elaborate on what is the physical body versus what is the astral washer so we are talking about astral bodies astral travel Eastern meditation it's
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about astral bodies astral travel Eastern meditation it's a different plane altogether so what happens is that many people who are the beginners may not even believe it seeing that I saw Bhutan you know how can you just go out and travel the world and come back but there are enough evidences of people actually having out of the body experiences and maybe we'll say once a person is dead can he come back of course he can there's a processor you're not going to tell you about other body experiences but it Peter I have personally actually going through this experience same so exactly so what is happening is that till you experience it you know it's like talking about sugar to somebody who's never a station it I'm saying how does how does sugar actually taste I think it's very seat now what do you mean by sweet sweet means this I don't understand this you know so it means ah yeah the sweet means not bitter said okay it's not bitter it's a habit what
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said okay it's not bitter it's a habit what is sweet it's a okey wait open your mouth like this no you do not speak well you experience what is sweetness so I think coming back to astral travel I think it happens with lot of people who practice it so it's like any other with it's not like a rocket science but if you're actually in that space you can actually go to the body usual your soul leaves absolutely and then comes back yeah but this body is only an instrument and you know that's why when you look at the whole concept of punar janma so what is happening so in the body is changing rebirth this is exactly the rebirth is that I am now the soul is in this particular body or this soul is actually using this body the body will get one off like an old cloth Bob are pen yeah so let me go to a new one so actually a body is traveling from one bird to another and it is using different bodies to in his
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another and it is using different bodies to in his spiritual journey you know says somebody put it we are not human beings on a spiritual journey it's actually we are spiritual Souls on a human's astral travel there are people who actually can use this body go this body maybe entrant one on the body use that body and come back Wow so now this is at the more the physical element we can people can actually go to different planes I also feel that you know these all these things are beyond science but you should also understand that science isn't as advanced as you think it is there's still a lot for science to discover especially Western world the Vedas the ancient Indian books talk about things like this and this is something you will not believe because you are do you into reading your textbooks understanding that the world works according to physics chemistry biology mats when there might be a fifth subject which you don't even know about so this is that subject so just listen to it with an open mind
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subject so just listen to it with an open mind also understand that this is I don't need none res and I don't drink alcohol because if you make a body impure you don't get beautiful experiences like this remember one thing beer biceps is beyond Bo and beyond biceps also very much here good and these are few of the factors which keep your body pure there's a lot of mental factors in terms of not getting agitated not losing your peace coming angry hurting other people all that also kind of makes the system impure and you're not able to have astral experiences I am NOT some astral travel I've just had like a few you're in there when I'm in deep meditation sometimes I can feel like you know I do get an astral experience where I can see my body from yeah like a bird's eye view yes so has something like that happen to you so I think most of us go through it okay so I think but we're not aware of it on Sisley so like you
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not aware of it on Sisley so like you know have you felt sometimes you know that you are in a place completely for the first time and for a second it's you I've been to this place before deja vu do so what is that experience it's not by practice but yeah I think I've been you yeah I've seen this person I've seen the same color same room this is not neutral but actually you have come there for the first general so that is actually a different experience maybe you can call it at a different plane maybe or the body but it's not exactly or the body of different plane seeing that you know okay what is this you can't explain it so coming back to me also I have seen actually I've seen people who have been almost declared dead medically but you know there are some processors so there are other people in AI guys and actually after almost like 24 hours he's come back and he's actually experiencing it no I had gone and then you know somebody stopped me I went
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gone and then you know somebody stopped me I went to a different plane and second no no no no no you have to go back so and you know there are many books also so I am NOT saying it is about science it's also about real experiences so there's a very famous book called as the law of the spirit world and if you heard about it it's actually written by a person who actually was made to write through a spirit so yeah so and it is not don't let frightened it's not for her yeah so when you say somebody makes you right the book it's not like some development ring into you so we're actually allowing somebody will use your body some divine soul yeah so many people when insects like black magic no it's not black magic it's maybe white magic yeah so you're allowing yourself good empty and hot okay so there are a lot of souls in this particular world who wants to do a noble work but they don't find a noble soul tomato by
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they don't find a noble soul tomato by that Chuck I'm gonna have to do something very noble but you know so you're is a guy they actually wanted Christian can I use your body if you allow it actually lot of noble works happen so let me tell you since you're asking about my experience one of the spiritual masters is return something very deep he said you know the God also looks at the right people to do his work but the question is that are you that right person so coming might restore volume and a lot of people we call them Russia Moniz and there are sub Pharisees who are always there they're all around and there are Chiranjeevi is you know they never die so if you look at Hanuman ji there a lot of people who say you know when did Hanuman ji actually die he never died and there are great Rishi's were still around so when the astral world using they are in that world and this world simultaneously so they travel in the astral world but
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simultaneously so they travel in the astral world but they come back to our world people have experiences with them so I think what is very important in that you know let us not look at this world only being what we touch and feel and see yeah there's something beyond what we can and feel around and it exists parallely yeah like if you look at this coffee glass you know there are many dimensions to it so one of the color the shape but it's also got heat so can you see the heat but it's hot okay at the same time there is a quality of you know on the material so what happens is that you like it's like a spawns you know so take a sponge and put it in the hot water and take away everything so if you look at this point they say there is wetness in it there is heat in it there are pores also in it and there's a color and a shape to it now are they not different they're all properties of the same object at the same
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they're all properties of the same object at the same time yeah so I think the mind also can think simultaneous it can be two places simultaneously it can travel and come back and there are no four cases about you know I still traveling at the physical level I would say so I don't know if you heard about stories of great realized Souls so they have been seen at two different physical places at the same time so we're at 7 o clock here and somebody's is you know but he was 7 o'clock at my place which is like not 200 kilometers away no no no no I have a photograph 7 o'clock this particular place I said no I also have a photograph look it's my mobile and streams right but it's possible so there are people who have used the same physical body to multiply then there is asteroids traveling people go from this body help out somebody come back and use this particular body yeah so let me give a very very famous example from our indian scriptures and history i
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famous example from our indian scriptures and history i would say it said that basically adi shankara charity ok he was a yogi astral travel so what happened is that he was a ball a Brahmachari so he never got married and all those who's had a debate with a scholar and some where he was getting defeated on the part that he has never gone through the whole experience of being a married man was in his Abal Ramachari so at the physical level whatever the intellectual okay I buy your point so when you're asking me questions about marriage probably since I'm about how much I don't know so it is said that actually the okay wait I will debate with you but let me have an experience that doesn't mean not going it married well that doesn't mean how to go through the whole cycles or being a married man so it's said that you know he just went around and left his body you sitting when you do woman's body or a man's body over is married so we went
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or a man's body over is married so we went through that experience to understand what was the mind of a person who's married and gone through it and it comes back and say ok and already you still have a brahmacari so that is consciously being on the Yogi's can do that you can do it for example let's say I don't know there's a lot of people who said ok if I were to be like Gandhiji ok so hand it is so easy still their natural plane may be so invoke him and talk to him and then so what I'm saying is that if your mind is getting tuned to other Souls you can actually go experience them out of the body or invite them into your body now all this looks very very grand and you know very very magical but remember one thing the moment you start misusing it or rather using it without a guru it can be dangerous so I'm saying that it is important they all are true they all exist but what's your purpose the purpose should
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they all exist but what's your purpose the purpose should not be going to more powerful famous and misuse it so I think all these know is important that you as long as you're using it for your own spiritual and other spiritual benefits do you think there are people in the world who've used these powers to become rich and famous oh I'm not sure of that but why not so I think a person who is rich and famous for me is there two levels the people who are actually you know put a lot of harder force and say I have become rich but the rich people feel there's a karmic connection to it so I don't just become rich overnight you know so I think there's a blessings of maybe the divine universe or some God that you believe it so I think I have met a lot of rich super rich people across the globe they're truly humble because you know in spite of all the footage that we put there is something beyond which they feel which
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we put there is something beyond which they feel which we don't feel and they sometimes don't explain it in yeah so you try to tell them you order the secret of your success I have Bill Gates said it very nicely probably luck yeah I'm saying that say that's a quite an Ewald statement he's just writing of signal I'm not successful because I am great so maybe one factor but probably he must have its own destinies and Karma's he's gone through well that's what this so humble yeah in fact I could see a lot of spiritual connection with people like an even Steve Jobs so that matter yeah she's a young person if you look at he was going around like a hippie you know delete a part of Steve Jobs is very different from the first you know he's gone through a lot of experiences the bad days in Apple just kicked out from his own company but he also officially courses that he was a part of the Hari Krishna and he goes there somewhere if you looked at
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and he goes there somewhere if you looked at the connect the dots as you say you know you find these souls who become rich I mean for that matter Rockefeller they're all people who had at a very different level they're at the physical level they're like you n mean you know but the realities of the mind is a very evolved mind and I think somewhere they have those secrets which probably they never disclose writing why did Steve Jobs not allow his children to use iPhone everybody knows about it's a very strange story the person who actually made iPhone for the whole world absolutely disguised his own children from using it so they knew and the technology which I created may be distraction to a different level of growth yeah so I think it's important to understand that spirituality has to be the base event to understand success at the material level yeah but coming back to Astrid yeah I know a lot of the listeners are still stuck on that how do people get astral experiences nice what do
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how do people get astral experiences nice what do you have to do to get an astral experience so two three things I think if you're really interested in astral travel I think first of all sit quietly it's like in a small child who actually saw somebody else having a chocolate [Music] mama please you don't know where the chocolate is coming from which shop to go to so I thing you first put the thought into the universe that's a very basic level but I think what's very important is a probably read about it rect is it understand it and try baby steps yeah and I would say that for all those people who want actually get into the real experience please find a guru but as I told you before you find a guru you have to be really since yesterday yeah so we can read about try about it all those things yeah but you know it's very important that you start with the help of those people who already are in a group so probably the spiritual organisation yes there could be
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group so probably the spiritual organisation yes there could be organizations which actually practice these Sciences yeah so become a part of it because don't make it a lonely journey have some people who are travel the journey for you and they will give you those experiences so you know a lot of people actually as a youtuber we've made basic meditation videos yeah my ex Mary yes is how you do basic chanting yeah but when we are learning advanced meditations in our meditation schools this specifically told that do not share this knowledge on a public platform true because they don't want that Chinese whispers yes they don't want that knowledge to be little bit tweaked around what's weak yes and even after practicing no I think I've been practicing advanced meditation with wise for around 2 years Wow and I'm still not perfect with the technique there are still tiny mistakes I make which I'm doing my yoga in the center some seniors will come and correct missing you know you're moving your finger not the way it should
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know you're moving your finger not the way it should be moved and all that so I'm still perfecting my own technique that's why we can't put out the information on the internet but if you are and search for it I think the call to action for you is first read those books read all about read such gurus books yeah read doorways to like would you recommend any other books that people should read initially so in fact to inspire all of you if you're not even into it I would suggest that been very beautifully written we just inspired me into astral travel also is many life many masters yeah a very common book it's actually about an American doctor who actually sees a you know after that experience of many of his patients many life when he masters when he sees you know this so he's actually since the doctor and he's able to observe lot of people who are dying he says during death people go through very strange experience and he tries to map it scientifically maybe like science logic right and then
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map it scientifically maybe like science logic right and then he finds that you know whenever person is dying is actually communicating to someone speaking a different language so what is the pattern he lies that every particular soul actually has got a spiritual master with him throughout the life Wow but you're not even ever always like a shadow around you but it's actually which is protecting you so it seems I mean a child in the womb or the person was closer to the death actually can speak and talk to them so he starts talking to them understanding them and then he realizes he actually we are all people who have a karmic way of keeping those masters with us so I would suggest that in that book he'd be course and this many life and that many masters who are with you it's a very beautiful book and a real life experience book of a great doctor so scientifically proven that it works so please read that also yeah so read the books and second genuinely go for one of these courses
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and second genuinely go for one of these courses foundation Jochen my machine has yes self-study course which i use basically they send you self-study material at your home yes so you can practice in the comfort of your own house you are absolutely right or maybe sushi revision or any of them at the best part the best part about this particular country is that too many masters yeah but at least choose one who is closer to your heart yeah and don't kind of keep yourself away from going down that master bath because of yeah you know the bad reputation of all these like the random gurus and all that that's not that's not a good generalization to make there are a lot of evolved souls yes who have way more knowledge than any scientist in the world right now can I give a practical trip Chaucer I think if you really get into this try and expedition in Himalayas okay because that's a different please him Allah is a part of this earth but it is not any specific so
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of this earth but it is not any specific so I would say just go from Rishikesh anything approached it could be Turkish it could be gonna go three kids on em you know three so I am singing the Himalayas is the closest place that he can connect to the other world and there are so many Yogi's you know just sitting that I have met so many of them and I mean I'm so fortunate and actually run a company called optimization which isn't a spiritual tourism and I remember in the initial stage managed to do my research I say just land up in Himalayas and I found so many people's in that cold without a single you know piece of clothes on their body and how is it possible and all these people still exist what we're talking about the Guru's right now is those gurus will maybe meet in the normal situations the popular gurus but there are also Yugi sitting in the Himalayas today I'm talking about today's generation so I'm thinking that you just
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about today's generation so I'm thinking that you just get a feel of it just take a trip to the Himalayas with an open mind of course just go there and you will come back you know if you look at autobiography you go by still their physical form but you know many of you have not seen it but many people have the experience of talking to such gurus so I think the basic thing in all your travel plan an itinerary Himalayan trip and especially the Indian spiritual Himalaya part of it and when I'm saying Himalaya you know many people go for the every part of it also yeah I'm not talking about everything just go just be there I'm telling you God will bless you yeah the key takeaway I want people to take from this podcast is something that's helped me throughout my journey even if you are just starting out have a very open mind yeah true knowledge is knowing that you know nothing so just be open to any kind of experience at your physical body you will
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any kind of experience at your physical body you will have any astral experience or you will have anything that someone else is teaching you from a spiritual perspective don't just dis and say then it is not possible so what do you say yeah because you've not experienced that yet remember that you only use 10% of your mind and there's still 90 percent to go but if you start meditating you can go down the 90 percent road so spiritual growth to all of you right the Great Lord there help you and guide you in the field of meditation and resign doctor navigation Pillai sir thank you I hope you enjoyed the podcast I'm learning from you thank you sir Thank You Sanne of course I'll be linking all of dr. allocations police books down below all the links down below please check it out misho we will see you later thank you
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